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On Friday, January 17, 2020, three thousand salvos shook the earth of the Russian capital city; the sky over Moscow had been emblazoned by glorious fireworks. This was the repeat of the memorable salute given seventy-five years ago, on January 17, 1945 by 24 salvos of 324 heavy cannons at liberation of Warsaw by the Red Army. Ruined Warsaw had been saved from total loss.

This could be an excellent occasion for display of friendliness between the two Slavic nations. The Poles could remember 200,000 Russian soldiers and officers killed in action at Warsaw, and say: they died so we may live. They could thank Russia for the bountiful lands and great cities that were torn out of defeated Germany and presented to Poland: Danzig became Gdansk, Stettin became Szczecin, Breslau became Wrocław, and Posen became Poznań. They could thank Russia even for passing to the Ukraine the Ukrainian-populated lands that were under Polish rule between the wars, the rule that ended in a big massacre of the resident Poles by Ukrainian nationalists.

Gratitude is not a strong feature of the Polish national character: the Polish government ignored the event. Instead, the Poles destroyed the memorials and tombs of Russian soldiers. It was mighty annoying, but much less important than Warsaw’s decision to establish the US radar system of a European missile shield on its soil, the system that made a sudden US nuclear strike on Russia a very tangible possibility. Poland’s effort to undermine Russia’s pipeline to Germany; Poland’s invitation of US armour to take positions on its eastern border; Poland’s endless hostility to Russia in the Europarliament made the Russians to view this old founding member of the Warsaw Pact as its enemy No. 1 in the European continent.

You won’t be amazed that the Russians had used a good opportunity to pay tit for tat. This opportunity came from the Jewish offensive against Poland. The Jews attacked this anti-Communist eastern bulwark of the West from two sides at once, powerful US Jewry and the mighty Jewish state. Or almost at once. American Jews began the operation by pushing through the obsequious Congress Bill S. 447 (it became the Public Law No. 115-171) . This bill told Poland to cough up $300 Billion to American Jewish organisations.

Under this American law, all property that once belonged to a person of Jewish descent in Poland must be transferred to American Jewish organizations. One third of Warsaw, half of Krakow, much of residential property in Poland belonged to Jews before the war – and now it was going ‘back’ to US Jewry. The law created a unique situation – what belonged to a Jew remains forever in Jewish hands. And lawsuits cannot be brought against these “Jewish hands”. That is, if a Jewish citizen of Poland died leaving debts, these debts disappeared. But if he died intestate, then the house goes to Jewish American organizations. They can evict the resident Poles, or make them pay a rent for what they thought was their own apartments.

S774 is a brilliant idea. It revives medieval Polish Jewry – a state in a state. In pre-war Poland this was not the case; Polish Jews were Polish citizens, and if a Polish Jew died without leaving any heirs, his escheated property went to the Polish republic, as did the property of a Catholic or Orthodox Pole who died intestate. American Jews decided to turn the Holocaust into the biggest property snatch of the 21st century, by reverting to the 16th century ideas. They will take in their own hands all the property that belonged to the Polish citizens of the Mosaic Law before the war.

This peculiar idea was not to be applied in the US or England. If an American (or British) Jew dies without appointing heirs, the property will be transferred to the state. But for Poland, they conceived a complete restitution. If it will work with the Poles, it may work elsewhere; the Jews won’t be ordinary citizens of their countries, but rather members of supranational Jewry. The debts will be their private affairs, but their assets will be of the Jewry. Brilliant, isn’t it?

The Poles didn’t like S447. There are demonstrations against the law, there are calls to oust the American ambassador, who added insult to injury by congratulating Polish Jews on Hanukkah while forgetting to send Christmas greetings to the Catholic Poles, the vast majority of the nation. At that time, Israel came to support the US Jews. They demanded that Poland repent for being nasty to Jews, to accept partial responsibility for the Holocaust and pay. Israel pumped out many billions from Germany, but these billions have already been used up. Poland had paid nothing to Israel. The Bolsheviks who ruled after-war Poland did not think that the Zionists should be paid; they considered Poland a Nazi victim, not a beneficiary. Now there were no more communists, so please pay, said the Jews.

Israel and American Jews keep the pressure on Poland. They call Auschwitz a “Polish concentration camp”, which offends the Poles very much. They say that many Poles helped the Nazis to realise the “final solution to the Jewish question.” Poles made a law forbidding saying that; the Jews took to chanting it on the streets.

The conflict is coming now to the fore, with the 75th anniversary of Auschwitz liberation (by the Red Army, by the way: President Obama’s uncle didn’t fight in Poland, despite this silly claim of the previous American president). It will be celebrated in two places: in Jerusalem and in Auschwitz. In Jerusalem, all important dignitaries will gather: the French President, the US Vice-President, the German Chancellor, the Russian President Putin. The Polish president Andrzej Duda was invited, too – but not as a speaker, just an also-present guest. He preferred to skip the occasion altogether and to visit the much more modest Auschwitz celebration at the site of the camp.

ORDER IT NOW

President Putin is aware of the Polish controversy, and he decided to show the Poles that their relentless hostility to Russia just does not pay. A few weeks ago on December 24, at the meeting of the Russian Ministry of Defence, Putin presented certain documents of the World War Two period, attesting to the rabidly anti-Jewish attitude of the pre-war Polish leadership. For instance, Jozef Lipsky, the Polish ambassador to Nazi Germany until 1939, told the Germans that the Poles would erect a monument to the Reichskanzler Adolf Hitler in Warsaw if he were to rid Poland of its Jews. “Such an anti-Semitic pig!” – exclaimed Putin indignantly.

The Poles made a miserable attempt to reinterpret the damning words, saying that the Polish ambassador had meant to save Jews by sending them to safe Africa, for instance, to Madagascar, to the harmless lemurs, in cooperation with Zionists, and so he was a Zionist pig, rather. It did not play well.

But Putin had more papers and more proof in his vaults. He produced a report dated late 1944-early 1945, when pro-London Polish militants of AK had made an attempt to take over Warsaw from the Germans before the Red Army’s arrival. The report said that the AK fighters systematically killed all the Jews who survived the German suppression of Warsaw Ghetto uprising (1943). It could explain why the Russian army did not think it is their sacred duty to help the AK militants.

Russians were always rather good and tolerant to Jews. There were no pogroms in Russia – only in Poland, the Ukraine and Moldova, the independent states once parts of the Russian Empire. The Russians saved millions of Jews, including millions of Polish Jews who were allowed to move to Russia. No other country accepted so many Jewish refugees as Russia did, by a long chalk. The Jews paid this back with black ingratitude by helping the West to carry out its psy-war against Russia. Masha Gessen and Leonid Gozman are typical pro-Western and anti-Russian Jews who won’t be alive but for Russian courage and generosity.

Still, Russia is good for Jews. They are an integral part of modern Russian elites; Jewish centres occupy prime real estate sites in Moscow and elsewhere. Relations with Israel are also rather good, despite the low-key confrontation in Syria. While visiting the Auschwitz forum in Jerusalem, Putin will also unveil a new memorial to the Soviet Jews who perished during the cruel Leningrad siege. Netanyahu is particularly friendly to Putin, and this personal friendship allowed them to avoid an all-out war for Syria.

Israeli liberals, enemies of Trump and Netanyahu, are definitely unhappy about this development. They would prefer that Jerusalem accommodate Warsaw, even for the tiny price of overlooking the ethnically-cleansed Jews of Poland. But they are not ruling Israel, yet, though their main newspaper, Haaretz, is as anti-Putin as any Western media.

The Poles are screwed-up. They thought the Jews connected to the US would support them against Russia, but Jews have their own calculations and interests. If the Poles thought the Russians would never discover their vulnerabilities, they were mistaken. It is true, the Russians had kept so many damning documents of the period in their sealed archives; but that was when Warsaw was an ally of Moscow. Now it makes no sense at all, and Russians do present terrible proofs of violent Polish anti-Jewish attitudes.

They corrected the whole narrative of the war. While Poles like to begin the history with Molotov-Ribbentrop treaty, subsequently presenting the USSR as an ally of Nazi Germany assaulting innocent and pure Poland; in the new Russian narrative (and in reality), the treaty between Poland and Nazi Germany preceded the Molotov pact by many years. Poland intended to attack Russia as a junior partner of Hitler. That is why the western border of Poland (with Germany) was totally unfortified and undefended, as opposed to the heavily fortified Eastern border with the USSR. But for this strategic miscalculation of Polish between-the-wars leadership, the Germans won’t be able to defeat Polish army within two weeks.

The Russians provided documents showing that half a million Poles served in Hitler’s Wehrmacht. These prove that the Polish leadership was fond of German Nazis, not least because of their anti-Jewish attitudes. Hitler personally attended the memorial service of Polish First Marshall Jozef Pilsudski in Berlin, in 1935.

Indeed, the tricky Poles had tried to play the West against Germany, the Germany against the USSR, and they ended with their country in ruins. Instead of learning their lessons and understanding that such intrigues are not healthy for a mid-size country, they repeated it after the Cold War, by trying to become the cutting edge of the Western assault upon Russia. The Auschwitz Forum in Jerusalem proves again that this policy leads to a new disaster.

A special resolution of the Polish Sejm – the lower house of the Polish parliament – condemned both “provocative” and “false” statements by Russian President Vladimir Putin, about the role of Poland in the beginning of World War II. “Two totalitarian regimes – Nazi Germany and the communist USSR – unleashed this war”, the resolution emphasizes, which was adopted without a voting procedure on Thursday, January 9, while Poland is innocent.

This mantra worked all right for a long time; while it was necessary to accuse Russia and to delegitimise the Soviets. But now the Jews want to have their share of fun, incidentally at the expense of Poland. For Russia it is a change for the better. Jews are a valuable ally. With Putin in the Yad va-Shem Holocaust Memorial in Jerusalem, and the Polish president Duda not among those present, Polish voices won’t be heard.

I recently received a letter from a Polish nationalist Dr Ignacy Nowopolski; he writes – we the Poles need to go back to the Warsaw Pact protection, otherwise the Jews and Germans will fleece us.

“They started to accuse Poland of precipitating WWII and the Jewish holocaust… From 1989 on, the Western corporations were busy designing a strategy for effective robbery of the post communist societies’ wealth… The West brought immense misery to countless people around the world… The imperial media have been able to convince people in the post-communist countries to voluntarily join the newly established atheistic paradise of the EU. Today, after over three decades of functioning in the Western sphere of influence, young Polish generations accept being the second-class EU citizens as normal as the Universal Law of Gravitation.

…anti-Russian sentiments in Poland and other Central European countries are mere demonstration of imprudent tendencies in their societies. In order to survive, these nations must overcome mutual animosities, which currently enable their enemies to successfully employ ancient divide et impera strategy. The answer is in the creation of some sort of “Euroslavia” in cooperation or even confederation with Russian Federation” – i.e. going back to the Warsaw Pact.

ORDER IT NOW

Such a sentiment on the lips of a hard-line Polish nationalist is a sign of profound change of heart. If and when such people would occupy the old Viceroy Palace, Poland would make peace with Russia and prosper. US soldiers, tanks and radars would go back to Virginia. Russian military memorials would get freshly painted. Russians are easy to forget old grievances; they still have a warm spot in their heart for the Poles, “the French of the East”. Then Russia would support Poland against third-party claims, as she did for many years. But meanwhile, let the Auschwitz Forum be a useful lesson for Poland – do not stir hostility in the East by the orders from the West.

On the photo – a demonstration of the Poles against restitution subtitled “Neo-Nazi protest” in an American newspaper. Only a neo-Nazi would prefer to remain the owner of his apartment when it could be given over to a Jewish American organization.

Israel Shamir can be reached at [email protected]

This article was first published at The Unz Review.

 
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  1. Leon says:

    “big massacre of the resident Poles by Ukrainian nationalists.” Complete and utter BS. You defend the Bolshevik and Communist Jew (elite Jews) who are responsible for tens of millions of dead Russians, Baltic State peoples, Europeans, Asians and Chinese.

    It is a proven fact that there was no Holocaust against Jews by the German people but you still push that narrative. The Nationalist you speak of stood up again Lenin, Stalin and Western Jews who were out to create a new world for themselves. German Nationalist and many other people who did not want to see their cultures destroyed said enough is enough.

    • Agree: druid55, PeterMX, DaveE
    • Replies: @Israel Shamir
    , @Johan
    , @snag
  2. Amon says:

    I couldn’t finish this article. There’s so much BS around Poland on UNZ.

    Either they.

    A: wanted to invade Germany to steal the land, commits acts of rape and finally start an ethnic cleansing of German people.

    B: worked with the Germans to kill off the Jews for the entire war only to switch sides when the war started to go badly.

    C: were the victims of German Soviet aggression that would lead to a carefully planned genocide that still haunts them to this day.

    Either way, Yankee joos can fuck right off with their greed.

    • Agree: Bardon Kaldian
  3. A123 says:

    The S447 Bill bears no resemblance to the description above.

    Let us look at the record (bold added): (1)

    Public Law No: 115-171 (05/09/2018)
    Justice for Uncompensated Survivors Today (JUST) Act of 2017

    (Sec. 2) This bill requires the Department of State to report to Congress assessing the national laws and enforceable policies of covered countries regarding the identification and return of, or restitution for, assets wrongfully seized or transferred during the Holocaust era, including: … the return to the rightful owner of wrongfully seized or transferred property, including religious or communal property, or the provision of comparable substitute property or the payment of equitable compensation;

    — A– The bill requires reporting and only reporting. No seizing of propery, no assault on the sovereignty of European nations.

    –B– The bill only applies to property wrongfully seized or transferred. For example, if the Nazi’s stole paintings and jewelry this bill requires reporting on that property.

    Post-war reconstruction laws cleared title thus establishing ‘legal transfer & ownership’ of almost all real estate. Effectively all housing falls outside the scope of this law unless there are extremely unique & one-off circumstances, such as a house built on the ruins of a synagogue.

    –C– The bill applies to all wrongful property transfers during the Era. It is not restricted and exclusive to Jews. For example, Christian Poles who lost property to the Nazi’s can also take advantage of this law.

    PEACE 😇

  4. This is certainly a great narrative, but selective in facts. When it comes to world wars, no one’s hands are clean.
    Marshal Rydz-Śmigły, the Polish military dictator who replaced Marshal Pilsudski, was played like a fiddle by Britain and France. It was Pilsudski who signed the Polish German Non-Aggression Pact. He did not like NS Germany, but understood that Poland needed to make peace with Germany. Rydz-Śmigły ignored Pilsudski’s advice. Just as Germany had given up claims to Alsace and Lorraine, it gave up claims to former territories in what was now Poland. Never mentioned, is that Poland invaded Czechoslovakia before Germany entered the Sudetanland, or the ethnic cleansing and violence against Germans who had lived, for centuries, in areas of the newly minted Poland and Czechoslovakia. The Munich Agreement sorted that out for Poland, but apparently Chamberlain only “appeased” Germany.
    The sticking point was Danzig and the corridor. The German offers of peace which included guaranteeing Poland’s borders for 25 years, were met with Poland’s mobilization of its armed forces. Poland, under Rydz-Śmigły, didn’t recognize that Danzig was under a League of Nations mandate, and occupied the city. The final peace offer was a resolution to the issue almost exactly as Rydz-Śmigły’s predecessor, Pidsulski wanted. Why would Germany fortify its border with Poland, as it had in the case of Alsace-Lorraine, when the border question had not been settled?
    Perhaps St. Putin can offer up more tidbits from the Soviet archives, like when the decision was made to move 160 divisions to the Soviet-German border, and when the decision was made to cut the defensive lines on that border. How about why the Soviets confiscated Romanian rail lines and their rolling stock?
    The Russians didn’t liberate Poland, the Soviets replaced the Germans in a much more brutal occupation. According to Solzhenitsyn

    You must understand, the leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured and slaughtered millions of Russians without a shred of human remorse. It cannot be overstated. Bolshevism committed the greatest human slaughter of all time. The fact that most of the world is ignorant and uncaring about this enormous crime is proof that the global media is in the hands of the perpetrators.

    Seems to me, you can’t have it both ways.

  5. Svevlad says:

    If I was in control, I’d reply nicely by turning Auschwitz into farmland and burning all the documents publicly.

    What they gonna do, soil their pants?

  6. @A123

    The bill applies to all wrongful property transfers during the Era. It is not restricted and exclusive to Jews. For example, Christian Poles who lost property to the Nazi’s can also take advantage of this law.

    Don’t try your Jew pilpul with me, sweet one. This bill is designed and implemented by and for Jews. It’s not for anyone else. There are virtually no property issues outstanding between Poles and Germans, as you well know. The issues with Germany were sorted out long ago.

    The US has no business whatsoever meddling in Polish internal affairs on behalf of our grasping Jews and the global racketeering network known as international Jewry.

    It should be the Poles who are demanding restitution from international Jewry for the centuries of Jew tax farming, extractive estate management, alcohol monopolies, slave trading, etc. that Jews, in cooperation with the Szlachta visited upon the Polish peasantry, the descendants of whom constitute the vast majority of the current Polish nation. Organized Jewry deserve not one cent from Poland.

    It’s true that the law in question does not seem to contain much of what Israel Shamir claims in the article above. He should substantiate what he is saying in that regard. But even as written, it’s merely an example of Jews seeking to make their US golem pressure Poland for as many shekels as they can get their greasy little hands on. This is very likely just the thin end of the wedge on this issue. The law won’t be enough to satisfy Shylock by a long shot.

    • Agree: Alternate History
    • Replies: @renfro
    , @A123
  7. Russians were always rather good and tolerant to Jews. There were no pogroms in Russia – only in Poland, the Ukraine and Moldova, the independent states once parts of the Russian Empire. The Russians saved millions of Jews, including millions of Polish Jews who were allowed to move to Russia. No other country accepted so many Jewish refugees as Russia did, by a long chalk. The Jews paid this back with black ingratitude by helping the West to carry out its psy-war against Russia.

    Well, yes and no. There were no pogroms in Russia because there were traditionally very few Jews in Russia–until the partitions of Poland and the Russian conquest of Moldova from the Ottoman Turks. Let’s be honest: The Jews have alienated the population of pretty much every place they have ever been. Yes, the Soviet government allowed Jews in after WW II, but the Czars had tried to prevent Jews from moving from the Pale into Russian cities and noted with disdain the parasitic relationship between Jews and the Polish/Ukrainian/Lithuanian/Belorussian peasantry in the Pale. It is true that Soviet Jews quickly became dissatisfied with the paradise that Marx had promised in post-WW II Russia and their sympathies started to attach themselves to Zionism and the West. That much is certainly true.

    One has to wonder whether this episode will cure Poland of its subservience to the Jew-deferential American political class. It’s true that the Poles are in a difficult position, and I do not at all agree with Putin’s virtue-signaling in this matter (though it’s easy to see the political calculus he is making in the current climate.) But it’s also true that the Poles have been asking for it with their attempts to impede Nordstream 2 and the anti-Russian sentiments that seem to undermine any rational strategic thinking on their part. I understand the long history between Russia and Poland, but the Poles had better figure out how to approach the world more in the way the Hungarians do.

    The Poles will have to start acting smarter instead of seeming to have stepped right out of a classic Polack joke, an anti-Polish meme featuring endless caricatured episodes of “Polack” stupidity that Jews intruded into American culture decades ago.

    • Agree: Alfred
  8. The notion of Russia as Poland’s big friend is distinctly comic.

    • LOL: utu
  9. @Svevlad

    Poland will lose its premier tourist attraction.

    • Agree: Marshall Lentini
    • Replies: @Marshall Lentini
  10. Alexander McCaul was a 19th century Irish Hebraist who turned his back on a cushy university lifestyle and went to Poland to convert Jews. He published The Old Paths (aka The Talmud Tested…), sixty short talks on the differences between the teachings of the Old Testament and the Talmud.

    Having read McCaul’s book I believe Mr Shamir’s reference to Jews as “of the Mosaic Law” is inaccurate.

    • Replies: @israel shamir
  11. Sabretache says: • Website

    So tell us Mr Shamir, who murdered pretty much the entire Polish Officer Corps at Katyn?

    • Replies: @sarz
    , @israel shamir
  12. @Colin Wright

    Does a country like Poland have any friends at all?

    Russia ensured the survival of Polish people and gave them a nice state in its current borders. That has to count for something.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  13. @Felix Keverich

    ‘…Russia ensured the survival of Polish people and gave them a nice state in its current borders. That has to count for something.’

    Russia destroyed the original Polish State at the end of the eighteenth century. They brutally crushed two uprisings in the nineteenth century. They collaborated with Nazi Germany in smashing the Polish state again in 1939; and murdered at least one hundred and fifty thousand Poles in the ensuing reign of terror. They then stripped Poland of provinces containing five million Poles and deported the Polish inhabitants in 1945. Finally, they installed and maintained a Communist dictatorship for over forty years.

    That has to count for something as well.

    • Replies: @Felix Keverich
    , @Boli
  14. @A123

    The bill is utterly repellent in every aspect. It is no way the job of the United States to act as a private global police force for Jewish interests.

    Contra Shamir:

    But meanwhile, let the Auschwitz Forum be a useful lesson for Poland – do not stir hostility in the East by the orders from the West.

    The more important lesson is understanding what rapacious, vindictive slime organized Jewry is.

  15. Dankbarkeit.
    Not a jewish trait indeed.

  16. @Oscar Peterson

    ‘…The Poles will have to start acting smarter instead of seeming to have stepped right out of a classic Polack joke, an anti-Polish meme featuring endless caricatured episodes of “Polack” stupidity that Jews intruded into American culture decades ago.’

    Realpolitik has never been a Polish strong suit.

    • Agree: Igor Bundy
    • Replies: @Oscar Peterson
  17. @Colin Wright

    Realpolitik has never been a Polish strong suit.

    How true.

    During the Paris peace conference and the immediate aftermath of WW I, the general view of the major allies was that the Czechs were reasonably and responsibly pursuing an independent state and its trappings. But the Poles! Their endless demands and rationalizations were practically impossible to deal with.

    Still, for all that, I do have sympathy for them.

    • Replies: @chris
  18. @Colin Wright

    That’s Polish national mythology. In reality every Polish partition was initiated by Prussia/Germany and the lands acquired by Russia were all historical Rus lands, occupied by the Grand Dutchy of Lithuania in 14-15th centuries, when Russians were weakened by the Mongol invasion. Kingdom of Poland united with Lithuania in the 16th century and somehow claimed Lithuanian colonies as its own. But the Poles were always a hated minority there, they ruled through brutal oppression and the locals were happy to see them gone.

    To sum up, Poles owe their very existence to the Red Army, but petty grievances, delusional sense of self-importance and plain old envy prevents them from recognizing that.

  19. sarz says:
    @Sabretache

    I browsed the article and found it odd there was no mention of Katyn. The Find in Page function led only to your comment.

    This is our friend talmudic Shamir up to his old tricks.

    • Replies: @israel shamir
  20. Walt says:

    Poles & all Slavic people need to remember and honor the fighting the Red Army did to liberate them from the Nazi’s who wanted to exterminate them.

    • Replies: @Wally
  21. Eric135 says:

    Poles don’t want to have friendly relations with Russia. That’s their privilege. But they shouldn’t imagine that getting in bed with Jewmericans is going to do anything to help them; quite the contrary. Getting in bed with Jewengland didn’t help them in 1939.

    As for Auschwitz, it’s time to put an end to that tourist attraction. I would ignore complaints and accusations by Jews. If Poland was anti-Jew, that’s something to be proud of, not something to deny or apologize for.

  22. @Svevlad

    What they gonna do, soil their pants?

    They might, once again, sell out the Poles to the Russians and what’s left of the Germans.

  23. utu says:

    Dear Russia – A Response to Putin’s Lies

  24. @Felix Keverich

    One word: Katyn.

    Sadly the Brits prevented the Russians from including Katyn in the sham trials in Nuremberg.

    That did not prevent the Russians from convicting some hapless German prisoners of war for this crime.

    If mass murderous Nazi criminality did not exist, one would have to invent it, if only to give cover to murderous allied criminality.

  25. @but an humble craftsman

    One word: Katyn.

    A minor massacre in a period full of much bigger massacres. It’s strange that Poles choose to focus on this event, and not on the systematic German genocide, which the Soviets rescued them from.

    Germans exterminated 3 million non-Jewish Polish civilians between 1939 and 1944.

  26. utu says:
    @Felix Keverich

    Germans exterminated 3 million non-Jewish Polish civilians between 1939 and 1944.

    This number is way too large and furthermore I do not think that there are any serious historians who would still believe in the extermination myth. You, Felix Keverich, must be running on the old Stalinist propaganda software. It is time for an update.

    And the number what ever it is should include people who were killed by Soviets and who died in the USSR. Some estimates claim that Soviet Union is directly responsible for the death of 150k-500k of pre-WWII Polish citizens. Prior to German attack on the USSR on June 22, 1941 some believe that more people were killed in the Soviet occupied Poland than in the German occupied Poland. During first several days after German attack on June 22, 1941 prisons in Soviet occupied Poland on the order from Beria were liquidated by NKVD which resulted in approximately 35k executions.

  27. Fox says:
    @Felix Keverich

    I just would like to know more about that. Who came up with this number of “3 million”?
    I do have hearty doubts about it.

  28. Wally says:
    @Walt

    said:
    “Poles & all Slavic people need to remember and honor the fighting the Red Army did to liberate them from the Nazi’s who wanted to exterminate them.”

    – You have zero proof of your claim.
    – If ‘the Nazis’ had wanted to exterminate “Poles & all Slavic people” they certainly would have.

    recommended:
    CODOH letter to US “Holocaust” Memorial Museum’s Promotion of the 75th anniversary of Arrival of Stalin’s troops at Auschwitz labor & concentration camps:
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=13013

    • Replies: @Proud_Srbin
  29. renfro says:
    @Oscar Peterson

    This is very likely just the thin end of the wedge on this issue. The law won’t be enough to satisfy Shylock by a long shot.

    This bill just lays the ground work.

    What will happen is when the US gives Poland more aid a requirement for that aid will be that Poland pay the Jews the 300 billion…..but we US taxpayers will actually be paying it….the US aid to Poland will be increased by 300 billion to cover their payment to the Jews.

    • Replies: @freedom-cat
  30. gotmituns says:

    Faughettaboud Auschwitz. It was a series of factories not bombed because of connections between International companies such as Ford motors and IG Farbin. There were others of course. Oh yeah, and screw the jews.

  31. sarz says:
    @Felix Keverich

    “Exterminated”? Do tell us more about the methods employed? Masturbation machines? Carbon monoxide trucks?

  32. renfro says:

    The wealth and property lost by the Jews in Poland (and Germany as well) is as much a propaganda myth as the 6 Million.

    No matter what historical source you use for Jews between WW l and WW ll..Jewish or non Jewish ….they all agree that the majority of Jews were poor…..the minority that were well off enough to have lost valuable property certainly dont rise to the amounts the Jews always claim.

    ”Except for a small minority of well-off Jewish merchants, bankers, and factory owners, the majority of the Jews were poor and became even more so under Russia’s control. They made a living as traders, as semi-skilled craftsmen in old and emerging industries (textiles, for example), and as shopkeepers. Few were farmers; many were destitute. For the most part, Jews lived in small towns known as shtetls. In tandem with cultural and intellectual changes, once the processes of industrialization and urbanization were under way, most Jews left the shtetl to live in larger urban centers such as Warsaw, Vilna, Krakow, and Lodz..;;

    https://www.facinghistory.org/resource-library/resistance-during-holocaust/jewish-life-poland-holocaust

  33. TKK says:

    Unz purports to be: A Collection of Interesting, Important, and Controversial Perspectives Largely Excluded from the American Mainstream Media

    But rather is:

    A Singular Boring Fetish of the Demonization of Jews, Israel and Raving Spit Soaked Hatred of any Idea that Strays from Killings all Jews

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  34. refl says:

    It is true, the Russians had kept so many damning documents of the period in their sealed archives; but that was when Warsaw was an ally of Moscow. Now it makes no sense at all, and Russians do present terrible proofs of violent Polish anti-Jewish attitudes.

    I do not dare imagine what else they might come up with: They might one day release all the draft material for the falsified documents that were the basis for the Nuremberg trials. They might release the real accounts of what they found at the sites of alleged ‘annihilation camps’. They could release the minutes of the interallied discussions, where it was made out how to frame the Germans.
    It has been established on these pages over and over, how the holocaust basically is a fraud – the dispute is rather, how much is fraud and what is the underlying reality.
    Now, the Russians have the material to blow up zionist Übermenschentum and Western moral highhandedness in less then a second. They have the intellectual equivalent of an H-bomb in their archives. And as with the H-bomb, it is not there to be used, but rather to be employed as a threat. Russia probably is the one country that can master the Zionists, because they have stored all their dirt. Sadly, they will never release it, just as the H-bomb was hopefully never detonated.

    To make the Poles sweat, is a rehearsal on the lowest level. They do not count among the big players, and just as the British used them as a trip wire, the Russians now use them as an example of what they just could do with others.

    • Agree: Alfred
  35. @Curmudgeon

    Great analysis, supported by historic facts that are inconvenient to the Jews, the Poles and the Russians. The black and white version of manipulated history lessons that we were taught at school should come to an end.

    • Agree: Rurik
  36. Smith says:

    I agree with this.

    Nationalist or not, you can’t go against Germany AND Russia. A german-pole-russia alliance would benefit the poles greatly, more than US/jews.

    Also, the whole genociding slav myth is a joke that is pushed to demonize Germany.

  37. @utu

    Utu, completely agree. Putin must have forgotten his talk in front of Merkel about the following.
    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2015/05/11/putin-defends-ribbentrop-molotov-pact-in-press-conference-with-merkel-a46441

    Putin is a complete puppet of Chabad and the Red Mafiya along with Trump.
    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/04/the-happy-go-lucky-jewish-group-that-connects-trump-and-putin-215007

    “Leading Rabbis have made several statements against the Chabad organization referring to it, among other things, as a ‘criminal organization’ and a ‘religious cult’. Chabad is known to be a ‘mafia’ a ‘gang’ and a ‘group of very bad people.’” http://www.ahavat-israel.com/main/chabad.php

    The US and Russia are applying pressure on Poland from opposing ends. Their goal is for Poland to succumb to the assault and prostrate themselves even further by accepting the massive debt of war reparations.
    “Today, international Jewry has abandoned communism for world capitalism, and is using Donald Trump’s America to ‘strangle’ us. The weapon of choice is S447 (Justice for Uncompensated Survivors Today (JUST)), which is the greatest existential threat to Poland in recent memory.
    The Zionist racial bigotry behind S447 was foreshadowed by Israel Singer of the World Jewish Congress in 1996…If Poland fails to satisfy Jewish demands, it will be publicly humiliated and attacked internationally.” https://national-justice.com/op-ed-law-justice-selling-poland-out
    https://stopacts447.org/

    Along with Russia and America, the EU are also playing a big part in applying pressure to weaken Poland.
    EU to sue Poland, Hungary and Czechs for refusing refugee quotas
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42270239

    Jews meeting and conspiring at the Goethe Institute of Germany on the subversion of Poland to accept multiculturalism and entice a cultural revolution.
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/zS1HuTDV2uYk/

    • Thanks: utu
    • Replies: @Robjil
  38. Mulegino1 says:
    @Felix Keverich

    Nonsense.

    Where are the bodies and the gigantic mass graves?

    What were the methods of execution?

    Where is the authentic documentation proving there was a policy to mass murder Poles?

    There was no mass murder of Poles or genocidal intent on the part of the Germans. Sure, there was bitterness and animosity on both sides of the German-Polish conflict, but there was no mass genocide. We no longer accept Soviet propaganda as true or valid because most of it was manifestly false and even childishly amateurish.

    • Replies: @Wally
  39. @Felix Keverich

    ‘A minor massacre in a period full of much bigger massacres. It’s strange that Poles choose to focus on this event, and not on the systematic German genocide…’

    There is the minor detail that the Germans were defeated and aren’t a threat, but the Russians weren’t defeated and are a threat.

  40. renfro says:

    The con the Jews and politicians pull on Americans

    1. We give them $3.3bn of annual funding.

    2. Then we give them between $500m to $800m every year as part of a missile defence package;.

    3. Then US Jews are allowed to donate fully tax deductible donations , an additional $1bn benefits to Israel.

    4. Then US pension funds buy about $500 bn in Israeli bonds.

    5. Then there are the loan guarantees, where the US government assumes the responsibility for billions of dollars that Israel can access as a borrower from international creditors. If Israel defaults on its loans, it is the legal responsibility of the US government to offset the interest on the borrowed money.

    6. To pay all this aid to Israel the US has to borrow from itself and pay interest on that debt.

    7. Then Israel is paid the US aid as a lump sum, and then lends some of this money back through US Treasury bills and collects the interest,”

    Get it….any question what our politicians are?
    Borrow money to give to Israel and pay interest on that national debt and then pay Israel interest on the free money we give them.

    I rest my case for BURNING WASHINGTON TO THE GROUND AND STARTING OVER

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
  41. @Gordon Pratt

    That (… citizens of Mosaic Law) was a commonly accepted definition of Jews in France, Germany etc from French Revolution till Nazi rise.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
    , @Gordon Pratt
  42. @sarz

    I did not mention the doubtful Katyn; I did not mention the Polish massacre of one hundred thousand Russian POWs in 1920, either. One can’t include everything.

    • Replies: @sarz
    , @Rurik
  43. Thomasina says:
    @Israel Shamir

    It’s a Wikipedia article! That’s as bad as listening to CNN.

  44. Miro23 says:

    The answer is in the creation of some sort of “Euroslavia” in cooperation or even confederation with Russian Federation” – i.e. going back to the Warsaw Pact.

    A good article. Russia today is not the Imperialist, Bolshevik/Soviet aggressor of the past.

    Russia actually holds social values that are closer to traditional Polish social values that those of the US and Western Europe – so there’s some logic to getting rid of the historic baggage and working on common social and economic interests.

    This would also have the huge advantage of getting the US military out of Poland – with all the associated geopolitical risks.

  45. utu says:

    “The Russians provided documents showing that half a million Poles served in Hitler’s Wehrmacht.”

    Polish citizens perhaps but not Poles. There were about 4,500,000 Ukrainians, 1,500,000 Belorussians and 1,000,000 Germans in pre-WWII Poland. Obviously Germans were eligible for draft to Wehrmacht and some to SS right away after September 1939 and then many Ukrainians, Lithuanians and Belarussians joined special military formations created for them by Germans after June 1941. However as far as I know there were no ethnic Poles in German formations unless they relinquished their Polish ethnicity by signing the Volksliste to become the de facto Germans which many Silesians and Kashubians, some voluntarily and some under pressure, did.

    And how was it in the USSR?

    The two main forms of mass collaboration in the Nazi-occupied territories of the Soviet Union throughout World War II were both military in nature. It is estimated that anywhere between 600,000 and 1,400,000 Soviets (Russians and non-Russians) joined the Wehrmacht forces as Hiwis (or Hilfswillige) in the initial stages of the German Operation Barbarossa, including 275,000 to 350,000 “Muslim and Caucasian” volunteers and conscripts,[2] ahead of the subsequent implementation of the more oppressive administrative methods by the SS. As much as 20% of the German manpower in Soviet Russia was composed of former Soviet citizens, about half of which were ethnic Russians. The Ukrainian collaborationist forces comprised an estimated 180,000 volunteers serving with units scattered all over Europe.[3] The second type of mass collaboration were the indigenous security formations (majority ethnic Russian) running into hundreds of thousands and possibly more than 1 million (250,000 volunteers in the East Legions alone). Military collaboration – wrote Alex Alexiev – took place in truly unprecedented numbers suggesting that, more often than not, the Germans were perceived at first as lesser of two evils by Soviet non-Russians. – Wiki

    • Replies: @bronek
  46. @A123

    TLDR: all polish properties are Jewish owned. Hence the entire country should sign everything over. Remember to include big breasted polish girls for the Jews.

    No peace 🤑

  47. Wally says:
    @Felix Keverich

    That’s preposterous. Let us know when you have the proof.

    Thanks.

  48. “The Russians saved millions of Jews, including millions of Polish Jews who were allowed to move to Russia”

    Odd, isn’t it?

    No mention is usually made of the Polish Jews who were shipped to the Soviet Union before and during operation Barbarossa.

    Millions, you say. Millions of Polish Jews. Odd, isn’t it, that millions of Polish Jews were saved, yet we are told that 6 million died. The total number of Jews under German control in WW2 was estimated at 4.5 million by various people, so if millions of Polish Jews fled, how exactly do we arrive at 6 million dead Jews?

    Were there mass conversions prior to being killed? Are they counting people with 1/8th Jewish ancestry?

  49. @but an humble craftsman

    “Sadly the Brits prevented the Russians from including Katyn in the sham trials in Nuremberg.”

    Russians? There was no such country as Russia at the time.

    I think you mean the Soviet leadership, and only a small proportion of it was actually Russian.

  50. sarz says:

    It’s not as tbough Shamir is not familiar with the scholarship that establishes that the Jew extermination fable is a crock of shit. So this whole article is elaborately constructed over a pit of Jewish lies. Shamir does this sort of thing, as a pretend good guy and pretend Christian, working for the Israeli state and the parasitic criminal tribe of which it is an outpost.

    Putin needs the Holocaust fable as part of his nationalist push. That’s why the Auschwitz documents with the Russians, showing the actual death count of Jews at Auschwitz—a ridiculously low number of deaths compated to the fable, and mostly from typhus—were sealed up again after Putin came to power. Putin’s deception on this score, like his grant of Russia’s highest civilian award to genocider Modi, is a compulsion of state, one that we will or will not excuse in light of Russia’s overall moral stance.

    Shamir’s deception, too, should be judged in light of the human record of his tribe and of its outpost apartheid state.

    • Replies: @Just passing through
  51. GMC says:

    International Lawyers can smell a billion bucks , even when they live across the pond – next to the UN building. They can BS the audience with 1000 dollar words in lawyer jingo and push laws/lawsuits around the courts indefinitely. How much money did they get from Germany so far – over 100 billion bucks worth. The US too, has been looted already, but Poland is ripe. And then President Putin walks in with some old documents, in order to shut the Poles down. Everything is ” illuminescent”. Good article – thanks

  52. utu says:

    A few weeks ago on December 24, at the meeting of the Russian Ministry of Defence, Putin presented certain documents of the World War Two period, attesting to the rabidly anti-Jewish attitude of the pre-war Polish leadership. For instance, Jozef Lipsky, the Polish ambassador to Nazi Germany until 1939, told the Germans that the Poles would erect a monument to the Reichskanzler Adolf Hitler in Warsaw if he were to rid Poland of its Jews. “Such an anti-Semitic pig!” – exclaimed Putin indignantly.

    Wow! Certain documents? How suspenseful and enigmatic. Was one of the certain (and probably secret until Putin revealed it to the whole world) documents possibly page 139 in David Irving’s “Hitler’s War”?

    On September 20, 1938, Hitler met with Polish Ambassador Joszef Lipski in Obersalzberg to invite the Poles to participate in the attack on Czechoslovakia and share in the spoils. On the occasion Hitler made reference to his interest in creating reservations for Jews in the overseas colonies of Western powers to clear not only the Third Reich from Jews but also Poland, Hungary, and Romania. The ambassador transcribed verbatim his conversation with Hitler to Polish Foreign Minister Joseph Beck:

    “Hitler told me had in mind an idea for settling the Jewish problem by way of emigration to the colonies with an understanding with Poland, Hungary, and possibly also Romania.”

    Lipski was so impressed with Hitler’s proposal of helping Poland get rid of its Jewish population by sending them off to colonial reservations that he responded enthusiastically to Hitler, as described in the ambassador’s own words in a memo to his superior:

    “I told him that if he finds such a solution, we will erect him a beautiful monument in Warsaw.”

    The document sent by Lipski to Warsaw is also cited in Timothy Snyder’s “Black Earth: The Holocaust as history and warning.” The content of the actual dispatch to Warsaw is as follows:

    September 20, 1938
    Strictly Confidential

    The Chancellor received me today in Obersalzberg in the presence of the Reich minister of foreign affairs, Ribbentrop, at 4 P.M. The conversation lasted for more than two hours. […]

    Chancellor Hitler opened the conversation with me with a statement that events had taken a different turn than he first expected. He then gave a historical outline of the Sudetenland problem, starting from his speech at the Reichstag this February.
    […]
    Further in the conversation the Chancellor very strongly stressed that Poland is an outstanding factor safeguarding Europe against Russia.
    From other long deliberations of the Chancellor the following results were clear:
    a ) that he does not intend to go beyond the Sudetenland territory; naturally with armed force he would go deeper, especially since, in my opinion, he would then be under pressure from the military elements who for strategic reasons push toward the subjugation of the whole of ethnographic Czechoslovakia to Germany;
    b) that besides a certain line of German interests we have a totally free hand;
    c) that he sees great difficulties in reaching a Rumanian-Hungarian agreement (I think the Chancellor is under Horthy’s influence, as I reported to you verbally) ;
    d) that the cost of the Sudetenland operation, including fortifications and armaments, adds up to the sum of 18 billion RM;
    e ) that upon settlement of the Sudetenland question he would present the problem of colonies;
    f ) that he has in mind an idea for settling the Jewish problem by way of emigration to the colonies in accordance with an understanding with
    Poland, Hungary, and possibly also Rumania (at which point I told him that if he finds such a solution we will erect him a beautiful monument in Warsaw).

    Following your instructions, I also brought up Polish-German relations in the above conversation, I must mention that the moment was not especially well chosen, since the Chancellor was very much absorbed by his approaching talk with Chamberlain. I referred to the Danzig question, suggesting the possibility of a simple Polish-German agreement to stabilize the situation in the Free City.
    from: Diplomat In Berlin 1933 – 1939 by Józef Lipski

    The line in parenthesis (italics) was not typed but penciled in by Lipski.

    That Russia under Putin experiences some flirting with and nostalgia for Stalinism and Bolshevism is nothing new and to some extent understandable but one would think that the propaganda machine 30 years later would gain some finesse. But no it is still the same crude and primitive Soviet propaganda. What’s wrong with you guys? Homo Sovieticus has not been exorcised? You still are ready to gobble up the same crude propaganda crap?

  53. @Israel Shamir

    May mister Unz live long and keep up this very diverse csite, even for people like Israel Shamir, a very able disseminator of holoco$t myth. I have to wonder though, when we will start dividing Russian history into the bits where they were run by Russians, French, and most importantly the Jewish Mafia. The entire communist weltanschauing(?) is Zionist, invented, spread and enforced by Jewish banksters. The coalition between Germany and Russia was never between the Russians and the Germans, it was between the Jews running Germany at the time, preaching Marx to the children, and the Jewish who killed the Czar and murdered millions of Russians who refused to bend to Zion. Every act of Russia between the rise of the Bolshevists, until the day Yeltsin and co dissolved the Soviet Union, was planned, perpetrated and then disavowed by Jewish Internationalist criminals. There are plenty and easily-obtained records of the officials running the Soviet Union, over 90% openly Jewish. There are records of the KGB officers in every soviet town, each and every one Jewish. It has been proven that the KGB was nothing but a wide-spread mafia network, with a Jewish family occupying the KGB chairs in every town office. Mafia, not even religious or race issues, just plain Mafia scum.

  54. @Felix Keverich

    What was as “systematic” about the German killing of Poles that you call genocide as the Soviet Union’s choice to kill members of the Polish officer class?

  55. @jbwilson24

    I have previously quoted a respected ABC radio presenter/interviewer as referring to the numbers as 4.5 to 6 million without objection. As for the problem of numbers that you raise, maybe you are omitting those killed by the Einstazgruppen and their local helpers who were operating in areas not yet brought under German occupation and control.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    , @macdundas
  56. utu says:
    @jbwilson24

    Good catch. According to canonical Holocaust historiography out of 3 millions of Polish Jews only 300,000 survived including the ounces who were in the USSR.

  57. @sarz

    The Holocaust legend weakens Western European nationalism and so there is no reason for Putin to debunk it.

    Putin’s deception on this score, like his grant of Russia’s highest civilian award to genocider Modi, is a compulsion of state, one that we will or will not excuse in light of Russia’s overall moral stance.

    Where is this genocide by Modi? Are you Pakistani?

    I personally don’t care what Israel or India do to Muslims, the latter are troublemakers and deserve to be dealt with in a firm manner. What is of concern here is the parasitical behaviour of Israel Lobbyists who participate in the Holocaust Industry and push Western nations into foreign wars.

    • Replies: @DinoN
  58. uradel666 says:

    Russia is NOT a Slavic nation.
    It is a 60% of Finno-Ugric tribes, 20% of Turkic tribes, 15% of Slavic related to people from Ukraine and Poland who migrated to Russia many centuries ago.
    Russia did have never Slavic tribes living within its territory.

    I think it is a well-known strategy on your part to delude the people thereabout with false information. Therefore, I can state now that you don’t understand who is White People and who are those the Polish.

    Moreover, Slavic it is

    • Disagree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  59. Anon[180] • Disclaimer says:

    @Israel Shamir
    It is sad to read a SJW hit piece on my favorite news page.
    It is special sad to read a blatant disregard for truth from someone known for adhering to truth.

    Let’s make facts straight:
    1.Before 1939 Poland made business with The III Reich. Also before 1939 RUSSIA flooded the III Reich with resources like grain or rare metals in exchange for German technology.
    2.Russian agreement to the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact was absolutely necessary for Hitler to start the III WW.
    3.Yes of course later Russians suffered the Nazi invasion. It hurts when a backstabber is backstabbed.
    As for Ukrainian Nationalists… They were the Communist axilla, nothing less nothing more.
    a/They first attacked 17 of September 1939 just the day USSR invaded Poland as the Hitler’s ally.
    b/Their MO was mirror image of the KVGB partisan handbook.
    c/Said “nationalists” had no problem to murder whole villages 1944-47 under the renewed Russian rule.
    d/Also after 1947, when USSR implemented law and order, when the “Ukrainian nationalists” were usually shot the Ukrainian Nationalist officers usually got sentenced for 5 years (soviet equivalent of a littering ticket).

    And imagine – Poles usually do not feel threatened by Russia. I can not imagine why Mr. Putin decided to play big bad lying Russian, to play just into hands of current pro-NATO, pro-Atlantean rulers of Poland.

    Best regards.

    • Replies: @israel shamir
  60. utu says:
    @israel shamir

    Camps for Russian prisoners and internees in Poland (1919–24)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camps_for_Russian_prisoners_and_internees_in_Poland_(1919–24)

    The controversy

    The issue of the actual number of prisoners and their estimated death toll was settled long after the fall of Communism in Eastern Europe. A joint team of Polish and Russian historians published results of their findings in 2004, after reexamining documents from the Polish and Russian archives. The commission included Prof. Waldemar Rezmer and Prof. Zbigniew Karpus from Nicolaus Copernicus University in Toruń as well as Prof. Gennady Matveyev from the Moscow State University. Their research revealed that the number of Russian POWs can be estimated at between 80,000 and 85,000, and that the number of deaths in the camps can be estimated between 16,000 (Karpus, Rezmer) and 20,000 (Matveyev). Existing documents disprove the allegations by Soviet ideologues, that the Russian POWs were exterminated. The prisoners’ nationality, religion or other issues had no bearing on their POW status.[1][5] The archives prove that the cause of death were epidemics of influenza, typhus, cholera and dysentery. Infectious diseases took a heavy toll on active soldiers and the civilian population as well.[1] The Russian representative in the commission, Matveyev, rejected the joint statement two years later in 2006 increasing the number of prisoners by 40 percent.[6]

    Until the source documents were published in Moscow in 2004,[2] some Russian historians had estimated the number of prisoners and the death toll to be much higher, estimating that the death toll ranged from 40,000 to more than 100,000.[1] For example, Irina Mikhutina in her 1995 publications estimated the number of prisoners to be 165,000 and the death toll to be 70,000.[7] In 1998 Russian popular press reported that Polish internment camp in Tuchola was particularly notorious for the large number of Soviet POW’s deaths and was dubbed a “death camp” by the Russian Emigrant press from within Poland.[8] There have also been accusations from the Russian side that the death toll was influenced by the indifference of the camp authorities. Other historians have also noted that Russian historians used those numbers to justify the World War II Katyn massacre of Polish officers and intelligentsia by the NKVD.[1][9] Such usage has become known as “Anti-Katyn”.

    The Russian historians arrived at this number by first estimating the number of POWs, then subtracting the number that has been repatriated to the Soviet Union after the hostilities ended, and then assuming that most of the remainder died in POW camps.[2] Polish historians always countered this by arguing that: (a) the number of POWs was very difficult to estimate accurately, due to the chaotic situation prevailing for most of the war, and (b) many Soviet POWs lost that status after they switched sides and entered units fighting alongside Polish forces against the Red Army, or were transferred to the Whites rather than the Bolsheviks.[2] There was also the problem that significant number of Russian POWs were left in the territory of Poland since World War I (about 3.9 million soldiers of the Russian Empire were taken captive by the Central Powers) and obviously when the Polish-Soviet conflict deteriorated, these POWs were not released to Russia.[2][4]

    Poland’s losses

    According to Polish historians Karpus and Alexandrowicz, similar number of Polish POWs died in Soviet and Lithuanian camps from 1919 to 1922 – about 20,000 out of about 51,000 captured.[10]

    After 1922 the Polish and Russian prisoners were also exchanged among two sides. Ekaterina Peshkova, the chairwoman of organization Assistance to Political Prisoners (Pompolit, Помощь политическим заключенным, Помполит),[11] was awarded an order of Polish Red Cross for her participation in the exchange of POWs after the Polish-Soviet War.[12][13]

    During the memorial ceremony for the victims of the Katyn massacre on April 7, 2010, attended by the Russian and Polish Prime Ministers Vladimir Putin and Donald Tusk, Putin said that, in his private opinion, Stalin (whose refusal to obey orders from the Kremlin resulted in the Russian defeat against Poland in 1920) felt personally responsible for this tragedy, and carried out the executions of Polish officers in Katyn in 1940 out of a sense of revenge.[14][15]

    The Russian Society of Military History called for a Kraków memorial of the Russian victims.[16]

    In 2014, the Polish Ministry of Foreign Affairs published further archival documents of International Red Cross and League of Nations missions that inspected the camps. The newly published documents are mostly in French and English.[17]

  61. Nasty Jews, dumb Polacks, clownish Russians.

  62. Anonymous[363] • Disclaimer says:
    @uradel666

    As I see it, Russia is about as “Slavic” as England is “Germanic”. As in Germanic language and culture makes up the base of native English culture, but it has been imposed on a largely non-Germanic people. Same goes for Russia and Slavic culture I think.

    • Replies: @uradel666
  63. Who are the Poles? The French of the East?

    From JoãoCarlos Graça

    Excellent as always. But if Russians think that Poles are “the French of the East”, they make a mistake.
    They are much more “the Spaniards of the East” (at least, that’s what I think).

    From Come Carpentier
    Napoleon called the Poles the Italians of the east although in some way they may be ‘poles’ apart.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  64. Alfred says:

    I could not help smiling while reading this article. Thank you. Europeans will never cease their squabbling.

    A thought occurred to me. What if the Jews who control the USA decided to extend this law to cover the territory that was controlled by Poland – territory that is now in Ukraine.

    How would the neo-Nazis of Ukraine react to the Jews claiming ownership of vast tracts of farmland and half of cities such as Lviv (Lwów) and Ivano-Frankivsk (Stanisławów).

    The mind boggles. Lucky Jews. 🙂

  65. @Anon

    This is the most amazing line I have read last 20 years:

    As for Ukrainian Nationalists… They were the Communist axilla, nothing less nothing more.

    Try and repeat it in Kiev or Lvov. But be prepared to run very fast, or they will lynch you))

    • Replies: @Jake
  66. Poland is the premier fly by night country that is exceptional only in false friendships, betrayals, living off of others and being two faced and treacherous. Poland is not an asset to any alliance but the greatest liability.

    Between Russia and Germany (geographically above Hungary) there are no true or deserving other nations. Of those Poland is the proto-nation.

    I say premier as it has the firmest claim-to-statehood out of the whole lot of such countries across Europe. Still.

    I say fly by night as it owes it’s existence to others, not self. It was by the grace of other nations that it exits at all and not by it’s own doing. Poles have not beaten out or driven out or freed themselves from anyone on their own. This is why they have an inferiority complex and base their nationhood not on the glories of their flimsy past but on the hate of others.

    I say false friendships and betrayal as it’s willing to turn as the wind blows. It has almost never had any sense of self determination but always sided with what it deemed the strongest force. It’s only show of self determination was when it carved out and appropriated lands of their prior masters at first chance.

    I say living off others as id did historically in the Russian Empire (which foolishly invested the most in it’s western provinces) until WWI (Polish nationals abstained and sabotaged the Russian effort) when the Empire collapsed only to be carved immediately by Poland. Poland lived off of the French and British grants and promises of wartime assistance and played tough and cocky with the Germans and Soviets. It lived off of the Soviet block (grants of money, land and investments) with that market being it’s greatest export market. It’s now living off of the EU as it happily took money but when it comes down to it pitching into the bucket they start talk of suing Germany and asking for reparations.

    Just as they betrayed the pact that bore their name so will they betray NATO when it becomes convenient.

    This cannot go on forever, they are running out of masks to take off and many in the neighborhood will not be fooled a third time.

  67. @Wally

    Self explanatory to all with the ability to read albion language.
    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/concentration-camps-existed-long-before-Auschwitz-180967049/
    Gatekeepers are sleeping on the jobs, historical facts such are to be cleansed in order to protect illusions of the “civilized” world.

  68. @Anatoly Karlin

    Come on, Wrocław has the little gnome statues.

  69. @Wizard of Oz

    a respected ABC radio presenter/interviewer

    Holy Crapperooney Whizzy! Few can touch you when it comes to crafting a succinct punchline that gets a big cack! Thanks.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  70. Sabretache says: • Website
    @israel shamir

    One of Russia’s biggest problems today is that it seems to accept responsibility for egregious FOREIGN (ie not committed on Russian soil) historical crimes that in truth were essentially the work of the Jewish dominated Bolsheviks. This leads them into all manner of self-destructive contortions, not least of which are to minimise and obfuscate things like Katyn. Russians know exactly where the responsibility for the ritual murder of Tzar Nicholas and his family, the destruction of their churches and the near extermination of the entire RO Priesthood lies but appear unable to deal properly with similarly motivated foreign crimes like Katyn. Witness for example an earlier commentator minimising it as a ‘minor matter in the scheme of things’, or words to that effect, when it is in fact an exemplar of the Jewish Bolshevik revolutionary methodology of exterminating as much of the ruling/aristocratic class as possible as the means to establishing full control.

    The Russian Federation under Putin is not the Bolshevik dominated Soviet Union, but that is not the way many former European countries see it; rather they simply see an older leopard which ‘has not changed its spots’ . So, the visceral hatred of Poland, the Baltic States and Western Ukraine (among others) which should properly be directed at the Jewish Bolshevik USSR of old, is directed instead instead at the RF

    • Replies: @Jake
    , @Rurik
  71. sarz says:
    @israel shamir

    I agree one can’t mention everything. But so long as you are excluding alleged weighty-seeming incidents on the grounds of doubtfulness, how about the Holocaust?

  72. Anonymous[238] • Disclaimer says:

    Poles are among the most pro-Jewish people these days, as are Hungarians to a somewhat lesser extent. Both have learnt that pandering to Zionism is very much in their interests.

    The stereotype of the anti-Semitic Slav/Eastern European is largely a thing of the past, those governments and people are some of the most pro-Jewish nowadays.

    • Replies: @awry
  73. Smith says:

    Whatever happens, Poles must not fall for the US-jew tricks. Nothing good come siding with Israel-US.

  74. Jake says:

    Poles seem Hell-bent on serving the Anglo-Zionist Empire.

  75. lavoisier says: • Website
    @utu

    Thank you for that video. Very well presented.

    The crimes of the Bolsheviks are always covered up and their sickness and depravity buried along with their millions of victims who cry out for justice.

    • Replies: @Druid
  76. Indeed, the tricky Poles had tried to play the West against Germany, the Germany against the USSR, and they ended with their country in ruins. Instead of learning their lessons and understanding that such intrigues are not healthy for a mid-size country, they repeated it after the Cold War, by trying to become the cutting edge of the Western assault upon Russia. The Auschwitz Forum in Jerusalem proves again that this policy leads to a new disaster.

    This is the crux of the issue right here. Poland’s rulers still seem to be enamored of this too-clever-by-half strategy of playing off all their neighbors against one another, in the expectation that, if the worst should happen, some faraway, fair-weather sponsor–then Britain and France, now America–is going to drop everything and come save them from their own mess. It is high time that Poland’s government realized that they are in no position whatsoever to take on both Russia and Germany simultaneously. They should pick one as ally and stick with them, or else seek good relations, but not entangling alliances, with both. They also need to abandon their old ‘Intermarium‘ strategy for good, since it was nothing but a source of regional mayhem.

    Such a sentiment on the lips of a hard-line Polish nationalist is a sign of profound change of heart.

    Sure … if he actually represents anyone other than just himself. But this Poland, so I wouldn’t count on it.

    • Replies: @Jake
    , @A123
    , @Miro23
  77. The treacherous jew strikes again.

  78. Posen was actually given to Poland after WW1, and at least on the maps I’ve seen of WW2 Europe, Germany never formally got around to annexing that particular Polish territory back.

  79. Jake says:

    The most important paragraph in this article: “Russians were always rather good and tolerant to Jews. There were no pogroms in Russia – only in Poland, the Ukraine and Moldova, the independent states once parts of the Russian Empire. The Russians saved millions of Jews, including millions of Polish Jews who were allowed to move to Russia. No other country accepted so many Jewish refugees as Russia did, by a long chalk. The Jews paid this back with black ingratitude by helping the West to carry out its psy-war against Russia.”

    Russians have been too nice to Jews, who have repaid it with increasing hatred.

    Russia had better learn the lessons of the downfall of the Polish Lithuanian Empire, which began crumbling because the Elite Poles made Jews a rather sacred State within the State, which gave the green light to Jews to begin stealing everybody in the Polish-Lithuanian Empire blind, save the Polish Elite.

    It is too late for the Anglo-Zionist Empire to learn that lesson.

  80. Jake says:
    @Digital Samizdat

    The Poles do that because they remember the couple of centuries in which their empire was very large and wealthy, and they had the power to do great damage to nearby peoples outside their empire. They hope to get back to that status, which means they refuse to learn from the collapse of that Polish empire.

    So Poles now are putting all their eggs in the basket of hope that the Anglo-Zionist Empire will not make them totally perverted and cringingly subservient but will use them against Russia and anybody else in the region. And then thank them.

    Poles are hopelessly ignorant about both Jews and WASPs.

  81. A123 says:
    @Digital Samizdat

    It is high time that Poland’s government realized that they are in no position whatsoever to take on both Russia and Germany simultaneously. They should pick one as ally and stick with them,

    Poland is fighting for its life against Mullah Merkel’s attempt to end Christian Populism. Thus, Russia is the logical and only choice.

    Would Russia reciprocate for a Poland ally? Changing the routing of Nordstream 2 so that it makes landfall in Poland with a further land connection to Germany would:

    — Improve Polish energy security
    — Provide Poland with leverage over Germany

    If Russia insists on bonding with Germany, Poland has no choice but to stand against that team.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @utu
  82. A123 says:
    @Oscar Peterson

    It’s true that the law in question does not seem to contain much of what Israel Shamir claims in the article above. He should substantiate what he is saying in that regard. But even as written, it’s merely an example of Jews seeking to make their US golem pressure Poland for as many shekels as they can get their greasy little hands on.

    This bill passed in 2018. Is there any objective evidence of ‘pressure’ on Poland?

    For the most part, this law is about as substantial as the one that established National Broccoli Day. It is not going to have any widespread impact. As the bill was meaningless, lawmakers were not willing to spend time and effort trying to block it. The Senate didn’t even bother to have a recorded vote on it.

    If there is a story here the question should be, “Who exaggerated this trivial bill in an attempt to drive a wedge between Christian America and Christian Poland?”

    PEACE 😇

    • Troll: Druid
    • Replies: @Oscar Peterson
  83. Smith says:

    A Germany-Poland-Russia alliance would unironically be a strong bloc since they are all heavy industrial and prominent white nations.

    I think all sides should step back a little and think of the big picture. The history of WW2 is used to divide and conquer here, with the jews thrown on top of it all.

    • Replies: @Jake
  84. Bookish1 says:

    My question is and has been for a long time will Germany ever get the land back from Poland that was lost at the termination of WW2?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Alfred
  85. utu says:
    @A123

    The stronger Poland is, the more Germany will hate it, and we can use this indestructible hatred. Against Poland, we can always unite the entire Russian nation and even ally with Germany. — Lenin, September 1920 after defeat in Polish-Soviet War

  86. Jake says:
    @israel shamir

    It is very funny, because it is true.

  87. Truth3 says:

    I hate to say these words… but they are Truth.

    I spent significant time in Poland working. I went into Poland happy to meet and learn the people and their culture. My readings of history were sympathetic to Polish National struggles. I admired (at the time) JP2.

    Then, I was there long enough to see something else. Polish bitterness and stupidity mixed with arrogance and insolence… and it was damn near universal. In the factory, on the street, in the shops hotels restaurants and public places.

    Jews were there in large numbers. The Poles feared the Jews. Their mouths were silent as Jews berated them for the smallest things… not enough soap (obviously not the RIF phantom kind) in the hotel bathroom showers… pork on the breakfast menu… the blankets were too thin… and how dare you try to take my seat on the bus.

    The Poles KNEW that the Jew was King (Kagan) in Poland. For God’s sake let them do as they please… suffer the humiliations then say a Hail Mary when they leave.

    Well, the Poles are getting it now. Jews know the Polish character of surly silent stupidity so well, they are grabbing the whole country.

    This will not end well for Poland.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  88. Jake says:
    @Smith

    It did not begin with WW2 or WW1 or even the Crimean War.

    Poles were using Jews to financially and culturally rape non-Polish/non-Lithuanian Slavs back in the 16th century. Those ‘Polish’ Jews were Germanic speakers: Yiddish. Even before that, Poles had a very long history of allying with Turks and even Mongols to harm Russians and Russia.

  89. In all this confusion, who stands out as the manipulater and winner? Who are the ones being played?

    The Jew always ensures her victory. The non-Jew always allows his everything to be destroyed, stolen, changed, etc.

    Pseudo-Putin is a Jew errand girl. Trump is a Jew errand girl. Poland has the right idea but it has allowed one of the pretend factions of Jews to set up shop in their borders. The Jew has, and is, controlling all the players—America, Russia, Poland, Ukraine, Iran, etc.

    Crypto-jews abound. Poland got played hard. Iranians got played hard.

    Good loses again and again because it will not cut the neck of evil.

    • Replies: @Digital Samizdat
  90. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    President Trump and his thuggish sidekick Pompeo will go to bat for their good friends, the rapacious Jews so the holocaust junkies can continue receiving a perpetual stream of shekels from around the world for an event that DID NOT HAPPEN.
    To ask those getting that steady stream of shekels from around the world to stop leeching off Gentiles and get a job would be anudda’ holocaust!

    Will they go as far as American investigators–many of them Jews–did when torturing testimony out of Germans after WWII and step on and kick their testicles so hard, that they were permanently damaged?

    Our investigators would put a black hood over the accused’s head and then punch him in the face with brass knuckles, kick him, and beat him with rubber hose. Many of the German defendants had teeth knocked out. Some had their jaws broken.

    All but two of the Germans, in the 139 cases we investigated, had been kicked in the testicles beyond repair.

    American Atrocities in Germany By JUDGE EDWARD L VAN RODEN

    http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/Dachau/VanRoden1948.html

    There had already been 152 Germans executed, no word if their testicles had been stomped on and damaged.

    I don’t think America (or the world) can stand another four years of President Shecky, Jared the Snake and Princess Bimbo.

  91. Anonymous[383] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bookish1

    I highly doubt it, the fact it was once German land has basically been memory holed. I suspect even a significant proportion of today’s Germans are not even aware that half of Poland was once German land.

    Also, the very idea of reclaiming former German lands is so strongly associated with Hitler that the few Germans who do support that are considered Neo-Nazis and utterly toxic. Basically, that land is gone for ever, there’s no chance of Germany ever getting it back.

  92. vot tak says:

    Interesting report. Getting the zionazis and catholic nazis (cathonazis?) into conflict again, what’s not to like? 😀 In the “west”, especially the usa, zionazis and nazis have currently a close partnership and this provides quite a strong foundation for their mostly unchallenged rule of the “west” right now. Breaking up this fascist partnership will weaken this fascist hold considerably.

  93. Anonymous[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @Truth3

    I think Slavs in general have a sort of love/hate relationship with Jews. They don’t like the power the Jews have over them, but at the same time they have a begrudging respect for them as the money men and basically as the Alphas.

  94. @jbwilson24

    I’m more curious about all those German documents Russia has. We know Germans are downright anal on documenting. So why not release all the concentration camp’s papers. I mean after all Jews are so good for Russia. Show us the extent of German crimes. No Holocaust lessons for the kiddies needed when we couodbhave those papers public. Odd.

    On a different note wasn’t a good bit of Poland and Ukraine under Russian Empire control where the pograms occurred?

  95. The termites are at it again with their golden goose the Holohoax. The people who take their money and accept their lies are just as culpable as G-d’s chosen parasites themselves.

  96. Jake says:
    @Sabretache

    Your conclusion would make sense if history had begun with the lead up to WW1. The Western hatred of Russia begins with Germanic pillaging, Germanics going a-viking.

    The Germanic pagan most hates those he wishes he had been successful at destroying – he will keep coming back to try to achieve that goal, very much like a Semite. The Germanic Christian who is more a cultural German than a Christian most hates those he has wronged terribly and to whom he refuses to make penance for having wronged – again, Semites would feel fully at home.

    Today’s WASP Empire 2.0 hates Russia not because the WASP Elites erroneously conflate the crimes of Jewish Bolsheviks with ethnic Russians, but because Angles and Saxons are Germanic and are damned determined to make Russia pay.

    Back to at least the early days of Elizabeth 1, England was trading in the Russian north in a big way. Tsar Ivan IV in his old age (when he was mentally unstable) gave England some kind of monopoly and/or tax free rights that were very bad for Russia. Boris Godunov, who succeeded Ivan’s handicapped son (I think he had Aspergers and was physically impaired in a couple of ways), ended the special deal for the English, probably as result of learning about English to map all of Eastern Russia and then western Siberia secretly so as to be able to get around Russia to trade overland with India and China. The English animosity for Russia began then, when England was guilty of a great wrong against a nation that had given England an unbelievably good deal.

    The Time of the Troubles followed the death of Boris Godunov, and there is no doubt that Poland was behind the chaos in every way, chaos that led to massive Russian death and loss of national wealth. The English had by then become BFF with Poland, mostly behind the scenes, which means England was a key part of Poland unleashing havoc by backing 2 different men, one after the other, claiming to be the rightful Tsar Dmitri, last son of Ivan IV, who had been wrongly thought dead.

    Poland and England wanting to rip Russia to death – for different reasons.

    That is why England backed the Ottoman Empire against Russia. That is why alleged Russian ally England had spies all over Russia in the early 19th century working with various radical leaders.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  97. Mulegino1 says:

    The “battle” for Auschwitz-Birkenau is akin to the future battle for the historical location of Disneyland.

    No, there were no real gas chambers, just as the Matterhorn exhibit is not a real mountain. Dr. Mengele was just a doctor, and no more sinister than Goofy or Snow White.

    Auschwitz-Birkenau is no more real than the Haunted Mansion or historically accurate as the Pirates of the Carribean ride.

    In reality, the Auschwitz legend is a monkey on the back of the descendants of Christian Europa and must be thrown off with extreme prejudice before we can resume our dignified existence.

    • Agree: What The...!
    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  98. melpol says:

    Poles plowed the land using their backs and horses. Jews never did backbreaking work but used their intellect. These evil Jews never accepted the savior or the Holiness of the Pope. That is why Poles collaborated with the Nazis to punish Jews. Poles cannot be forgiven for the sins of their fathers and they must pay heavily to the families of tortured and murdered Jews. No sympathy should be afforded these religious hypocrites.

    • Replies: @Druid
  99. @A123

    “Is there any objective evidence of ‘pressure’ on Poland?”

    Well, our sweet Jews in Israel certainly seem to think so. This was what the Israeli daily Haaretz was saying in a 5 August 2019 piece. Of course, it’s the kind of language that Jews feel comfortable using in Jew/Israeli media but would never allow in the Jew-dominated media for goy consumption:

    U.S. Senate Increases Pressure on Poland Over Confiscated Jewish Property

    The U.S. Senate is increasing pressure on Poland over the country’s handling of property confiscated from its Jewish citizens during and after the Holocaust. On Monday, 88 senators sent a letter to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, asking him to “help Poland resolve the issue” of compensation for Jewish citizens and their descendants.

    The letter notes that Poland is “the only country in the European Union that has not passed a comprehensive law for the restitution of private property” that was taken away from Jewish citizens. The Polish government has previously committed to the passage of such legislation, but hasn’t done so thus far. Now, an unusually large group of senators from both parties are calling on the Trump administration to make sure Poland fulfills its commitments.

    Poland is also seeking to be chosen as the host country of a large new NATO base in Europe, and has tried to lure Trump into supporting its bid by offering to call the base Fort Trump. Trump’s administration also shares a similar anti-immigration platform with the right-wing, nationalist government currently holding power in Warsaw.

    Among those who signed the letter are the leaders of the foreign relations and armed services committees — two panels that play an important role in Poland’s relationship with the United States — which could also have an impact on Poland’s wish to host the new NATO base. The letter doesn’t mention the NATO base, but there is concern in Poland that a confrontation with the Senate could harm the project, which would require budgets and authorizations from Congress.

    https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/jewish-poland/.premium-senate-increasing-pressure-on-poland-to-resolve-restitution-for-jewish-property-1.7642962

    And the Times of Israel headlined a piece from last May, “Polish far-right marches in protest at US pressure for Holocaust restitution”.

    Of course, “far right” is a euphemism, as Polish discontent with this shake-down goes way beyond that.

    The bottom line is that where Jews are willing to talk more openly about their schemes–i.e., Israel–there is no question that what is going on is Jew-induced extortion. And the Poles certainly feel that way, as well they should. Only among the dumbed-down American goyim, cocooned from real information, can there be a question of what this obvious shake-down represents.

    With some editing, your final question is apposite:

    “Why is Jew rapacity being allowed to drive a wedge between Christian America and Christian Poland?”

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @A123
  100. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @A123

    No, it is about Jewish property holders in particular; otherwise, how do you explain Article B3 and similar articles that speak specifically about “Holocaust Survivors”, not WW 2 survivors, but “Holocaust Survivors”:

    “In the case of heirless property, the provision of
    property or compensation to assist needy Holocaust survivors, to
    support Holocaust education, and for other purposes”.

    Moreover, it speaks of the “goals and objectives of the
    2009 Holocaust Era Assets Conference”.

    Until that conference is researched and its goal and objectives understood not one can know the import of the S447 legislation; so you need to demonstrate that you have mastered the document before making such damning statements. Your credibility has been infringed by your response and can be improved by doing the proper research including actually reading the bill rather than its mere summary and then objectively reporting the results.

    Respectfully,
    DM

  101. A or the basic problem seems to be the total conquest of Poland by the Counter-Reformation which has made the Poles eternally and fundamentally anti-Russian aggressors, though their languages are closely related. It is Christians not Jews who are eternally under attack by the Poles.

  102. melpol says:

    Family of six Jews residing in their beautiful home were invaded by a mob of Poles. The women and children were raped and afterward executed. The father was garroted to death. Family of mob invader and rapist was awarded the home and to this day they happily live there. Relatives of this murdered Jewish family were asking for some compensation for the value of that stolen home. There has been no replies only an anonymous letter with a Swastika drawn on it.

    • Replies: @Truth3
    , @Aloysius
    , @Anon
  103. This article by Israel Shamir proves that once a Jew, always a Jew and therefore the question is, is it good for the Jews…

    What a cockamammie crap! Poland was the villain and the great powers were innocent little darlings … and how did the Jew, an outsider, came to own most of the property in poland as opposed to the poles? It sure wasn’t through physical work. Perhaps hard work of fleecing the illiterate population by the usual tools of liquor and usuary more likely!

    Like the modern blood-suckers in West Africa (Lebanese), in Southeast Asia (Chinese) in India (Shi’a)…

    Go sell it somewhere else!

  104. Rurik says:
    @israel shamir

    I did not mention the doubtful Katyn;

    doubtful?

    What’s doubtful about it?

    That it happened, or who did it?

    • Replies: @israel shamir
    , @Thirdeye
  105. A123 says:
    @Oscar Peterson

    On Monday, 88 senators sent a letter to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo

    Alas, the clickbait headline phenomena can be seen everywhere. Senators passed a bill that has no teeth. And, then they sent a letter that has no teeth. At most this is posturing and constituent service. The Israeli media outlets portraying this as pressure are clickbaiting.

    Countering Mullah Merkel’s oppression of European Christians is of vital interest to the U.S.

    Do you believe that Trump will change plans due to a letter and report?
    _____

    Compare Poland’s situation to Ayatollah Khameni’s.

    I am sure everyone can detect the difference between Negligible Pressure on Poland versus Maximum Pressure on Khameni.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Oscar Peterson
  106. @Svevlad

    I would turn it into a pig farm. Plow the rest under, and use the concentration camp’s “housing” as pig barns.

    In this post-WW2 moment in history, with the “narrative” dominated by the Allied Forces victor’s history and Zionist-mythology posing as history, and the domination of Western mass media by these two agents of “perception management”, the Jews have momentarily blinded the world to the five-thousand year historic reality of unrelenting Jewish predation of non-Jews, and the serial anti-Jewish reaction it has always and logically and predictably provoked.

    Anti-Semitism is the just and logical result of millennia-long Jewish predatory behavior toward non-Jews. This reality, that anti-Semitism, like anti-anything-bad-ism is entirely reasonable, has been hidden/suppressed since the end of WW2 — “Oh the poor long-suffering Jews, boo hoo.” — because of Jewish domination of Western media. But it is now reemerging … because the Zionists and their diaspora accomplices — hoodwinked Western Jews — confident in their impunity, are conducting their anti-Goy criminal violence brazenly right out in the open. In an era of universal internet connectivity and ubiquitous cell-phone cameras, this in-your-face supremacist violence is a direct path — yet again — to suicide-by-Goy.

    The Jews are diligently building the next holocaust.

    For the record, I’m an American and a Jew. But not only am I NOT a criminal Zionist, but to the extent that world Jewry supports Jewish tribal criminality, I am wholeheartedly in favor of holding world Jewry to account for all their crimes, across all the ages, across the face of the planet.

    I am not a Holocaust denier. I am a Holocaust supporter. When as a tribe you f*ck with people, expect justice as the result. If five-thousand years of harsh justice hasn’t taught the Jews to change their ways, then what can they expect except more “justice”. “If you can’t do the time … ”

    “Reality”, what a concept!

  107. Rurik says:
    @Sabretache

    Katyn. … an exemplar of the Jewish Bolshevik revolutionary methodology of exterminating as much of the ruling/aristocratic class as possible as the means to establishing full control.

    Ukraine today is under absolute Jewish supremacist domination.

    Would that have been possible, if J-supremacist Bolsheviks had not starved to death untold millions of the hardiest, most resilient, intelligent and independent of Ukraine’s people, as soon as these fiends had Ukraine by the throat? Thereby, systematically, and deliberately removing the best of the Ukrainian people from the gene pool for all eternity.

    It’s all part of the plan. Kill the best of the Gentiles, so that you can enslave the rest! Boer war, Kulaks, Katyn, Morgenthau Plan, WWII, diversity, et cetera…

    Dresden was not firebombed to win the war. It was already won. Dresden, like so many European cities, was firebombed as a manifestation of J-supremacist netherworld hatred for the goyim, and especially the best of the goyim- (Dresden was full to the brim with Eastern European women and children fleeing for their lives from the genocidal Bolshevik fiend, who was unleashing its Red Army rapist orcs on Eastern Europe and Germany, now that the men were all slaughtered or dying a slow death in their gulags).

    If you want to know what the world will look like when Jewish supremacists finally gain their coveted Absolute global power, and Putin’s Russia (the last bastion of Western man’s sovereignty) is also put under the yoke, (something they’re desperately trying to achieve right now) just look at the Holodomor, or Katyn, or Dresden, or Gaza.

    Their hatred is beyond comprehension, and can only be sated when those who inspire envy in the Jewish supremacist id, are starved to death, slowly, or burned alive – for their temerity.

    It is written’.

    • Replies: @dimples
    , @Adûnâi
  108. Wally says:
    @Mulegino1

    Well said.
    It’s claimed by “The 6M Jews, 5M others Industry” that the human remains of millions upon millions exist in mass graves in allegedly KNOWN locations.
    No such human remains exist. It’s just that simple.

    Only lies require censorship.

    – Related links upon request.

    • Replies: @Just passing through
  109. Miro23 says:
    @Digital Samizdat

    It is high time that Poland’s government realized that they are in no position whatsoever to take on both Russia and Germany simultaneously. They should pick one as ally and stick with them, or else seek good relations, but not entangling alliances, with both.

    Good idea, and also forget about any good will coming from Trump and the Zio-Glob Empire.

    The US is already making problems for both Germany and Russia and will only use Poland to aggravate these issues.

    • Agree: Digital Samizdat
  110. @Israel Shamir

    Poland, post WWI, occupied a number of territories prior to the Treaty of Versailles. Some of those territories were German (likeWest Prussia), some Austro-Hungarian (like Galicia), and some Russian (like Volhynia). Through the 1920s and 30s, Poland engaged in widespread ethnic cleansing of minorities of these territories, which included Jews, Germans, Ukrainians, Russians and Lithuanians.
    Yes, there were Poles killed in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia, but both were occupied by Poland post WWI. Volhynia was originally part of the Pale of Settlement for Jews set aside by Russia, and Galicia was part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. What the Poles got, they had already inflicted in the peoples of those territories.

  111. @Rurik

    And Russian POW in 1920? What about them?

    • LOL: eah
    • Replies: @eah
    , @Ship Track
  112. Alfred says:
    @Bookish1

    The days when “land” was a source of great wealth are over. Of course, strategic rivers, islands, straits, roads, canals, mines, mountains and marshes are another matter.

    Today, almost all wealth comes from having a dynamic, intelligent, educated and motivated population.

    You can put a population of real Germans, Swiss or Swedes almost anywhere on the planet and they will create wealth. That is why the Russian Empire imported so many. For example, the Volga Germans

    • Replies: @refl
    , @Bookish1
  113. Anon[336] • Disclaimer says:
    @A123

    Jewish anti-nations imperial theology and the creation of Israel, to which most Jews are loyal first, are reasons for Jews to not legally be able to own property outside of Israel.

    Jewish hostility and loyalties are Jewish choice, and there are always consequences to choice.

    Jews should consider any sacrifice of property in Europe to be the price of Israel. No refunds.

    Europeans gave up millions of lives and acquiesced to ongoing, weakened national-political defenses and a continuing war with communist, Jewish-Marxist forces in order to give Israel its land.

    That is price enough. Take your prize and go home unless you are a fan of placing wagers until your winnings are gone.

    This is the general message that the West is giving your people at this moment. Your next choice is solely relegated to whether or not you will hear it. Your choice will not be the fault of anyone but yourselves.

  114. @Wally

    I recall reading that Simon Wiesenthal, “Nazi hunter”, saying he just made up the 5m Gentile deaths so that non-Jews could also feel emotionally invested in the Holocaust legend.

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Truth3
  115. @Jake

    There is a flaw in your argument. The Norse (both East and West) are Germanic. The Rus are descendants of the East Norse. Novgorod was a Norse settlement. Askold king of Ukrainians was Norse. Prince Oleh (Rus) defeated Askold and brought the capital Novgorod to Kyiv.
    http://ukraine.uazone.net/history.html

    In the West, the Germanic Angles and Jutes invaded long before the Saxons. Elizabeth I was a Tudor, who are Welsh. The Stuarts were Scots, and while the Hanovers were German, the monarchs had, for the most part, lost all control of government to Puritans, and more importantly (((The Bank of England))).
    The Ottomans were certainly not Germanic, and made no bones about spreading their Empire as far as they could in all directions.
    The Germanic tribes were no worse than any other in attacking.

  116. @Curmudgeon

    You are basically correct in your analysis. However, it was Poland’s Foreign Minister, Josef Beck that succumbed to British promotions of tensions towards Germany in the region. I remember nothing in my studies of the inter-war period where Marshal Rydz-Śmigły was all that heavily involved in such a situation as he was seemingly more concerned with domestic policy.

    Pilsudski was also considered an ardent anti-Semite, though I never found out why he was so, unless he was just a product of the times. However, he was of that political faction in Poland that was far more pragmatic than what would be seen with Beck.

    As result, Pilsudski, though he successfully led the forces in the 1920/1921 Russian-Polish War, was not keen in playing favorites towards either Russia or Germany. Instead, he wanted to maintain cordial relations with both.

    But Beck came out of the faction that vehemently hated Germany, while ignoring the potential threat that Russia posed towards Poland.

    As to Danzig, you are again correct in your analysis. However, Adolph Hitler went far beyond what normal, peaceful negotiations would have expected. Hitler provided numerous, beneficial concessions to Poland in order to get Danzig returned to the Reich. This included the building at Germany’s own expense (which the Poles could take advantage of as well) a complete super highway for goods transport through the Polish Corridor linking Germany and Danzig while offering the Poles complete autonomy for their port requirements at Danzig including that all polish imports would be duty free.

    But the Poles were under the impression that Danzig was theirs when it wasn’t as they were only the administrative body assigned by the League of Nations. And despite everything Adolph Hitler offered them, it was never enough.

    The result was that Poland continued its often violent and oppressive policies of German ethnic nationals that lived within Poland and Danzig that reached a point that Germany could no longer tolerate as a result of growing vehemence in German public opinion against such Polish policies.

    The tipping point, if I remember correctly, was that the Polish Border Guards in Danzig finally unleashed a wave of violence so terrible that 5000 German ethnic nationals were killed.

    Germany invaded within days following this brutal attack…

    • Agree: Bookish1
    • Replies: @utu
    , @bronek
  117. melpol says:

    Polish Church leaders granted forgiveness for those who keep Jewish assets and occupy their homes. Mobs were unleashed as Jewish homes were invaded and shops looted. Synagogues and Yeshivas were burned and their male occupants were strangled, women and children were raped and publicly displayed in the nude. Millions of homeless Jews slept in the Warsaw streets and their stench became unbearable.
    Homeless and unwashed Jews were marched off to dozens of Auschwitz type death camps and murdered or burnt alive. Nazi invaders were merciful they never killed even one Jew, it was only the Poles and their Clergy who participated in the massacre.

  118. druid55 says:

    The hasbarists will be out on the comments now, A123, TKK, etc

    • Troll: A123
  119. Robjil says:
    @Jon Baptist

    Barbara Lerner Spectre has no compassion for the sorrows of the Armenians or Palestinians. She only has compassion for her Jewish comrades. She should be kicked out of Sweden for her lack of compassion for non-Jews.

    Here is a quote from Ms. Spectre. She has no real empathy for any people on earth except for her Jewish comrades.

    https://www.tc-america.org/files/news/pdf/blerner_nro.pdf

    The bottom line here is that in actual historical fact, Turks were not like Nazis; Armenians were not like Jews; and attempts to convince Americans that they were are propaganda, not history. The Armenian tragedy was real and terrible, but it was not the only terrible tragedy in Turkey in 1915 and it wasn’t genocide; it was that in the midst of a wider war that brought death and destruction to millions on all sides, nationalist Armenians fought a war to claim a piece of Turkey for a country of their own, and lost. Later, they got a state of their own, but its development has been stunted from that day to this by high levels of poverty, corruption and political violence. If Armenians would accept their share of responsibility for the tragedies of 1915, trade with their increasingly prosperous Turkish neighbors could do much to alleviate that poverty. Some in Armenia have long wanted to do that, but most government leaders — and the powerful Armenian diaspora community those leaders rely on — have always insisted, instead, on demonizing Turks and whitewashing all Armenian actions in World War I. And, although they proved incompetent at governing, they achieved great success as propagandists. In this, Armenians are very similar to Palestinians; very different from both Jews and Turks.

  120. Anon[186] • Disclaimer says:

    Cui Bono?
    In 1972 my Jewish student at Brandeis University whose parents were Polish and Russian Jews confided to me in a conversation that when he was growing up that his parents and grandparents in the old country characterized Poles as naive, gullible and ignorant. He leaned back in his chair and asked me if the Poles were indeed essentially as “stupid” as his folks made them out to be. I did not know what to make of his question and did not know what to say. I was not sure if he was hinting that he thought that I was stupid trying to humiliate me because I was a Pole or was this a trap to see I was an An-Semite? I was 18years of age and more interested in getting an education instead of discussing if Poles were stupid or not. I somehow sidestepped the question and got of the topic and never replied to his question.

    In 1983 I befriended Russian Jewish Refusniks couple that immigrated from Russia to the USA. I recall in the course of conversation the wife confided to me that before the war her name was Kachinska and after the war it was changed to Kachinskaya. She went on to state that as a child grew up in Pinsk that was then part of Poland. She spoke to me in Polish about growing up in Poland and later as a citizen of USSR. . They stated that they chose to immigrate to Israel because of Anti-Semitism that they experienced in Russia because they were Jewish. They described the Russians as Anti-Semites that were backward and stupid. At one point they pulled out a Yellow pamphlet/booklet written in Russian and Hebrew that went into detail to portray and to ridicule the Russians as stupid and backward people.

    Now 47 years forward I have come to a conclusion that not only are Poles stupid but the Russians and all of the Non-Jews are stupid. Poles are stupid for endangering their lives and the lives of their families and neighbors to save the Jews. The Russians are stupid for taking part in killing not only their 66 Million fellow Russians in Judeo- Bolshevik USSR social experiment but also Millions of Fellow Christians in Poland, Ukraine, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia Germany and etc.

    The Jews now plan to Pit Russians against Poles in the Jewish scheming dishonest desire to extort 300 Billions from Poland. The Russians are allowing themselves to be used to be used as pawn to create a basis for the Jews scheming dishonest deisre to extort 300 Billion from Poland.

    Never forget that the Jews have a fifth column in high positions in Russia as in the USA and many countries around the world that have access to typewriters, paper and access to the Russian Archives to insert forged fictitious files typed out to incriminate and smear Poland.

    Putin is cooperating in spreading this garbage as means to get back at Poland for blocking Nord Stream2 and etc. Also according to the Jewish Rabbi Putin’s mother was a Jew and consider Putin as a fellow Jew. Putin is beholden and friends with the Jewish Oligarchs.

    I may add that Jews have a Fifth Column in the Jewish Owned Corrupt Main Stream Media to spread the lies against Poland to lay the ground work in future Jewish plans to extort 300 Billion Dollars from Poland.http://www.renegadetribune.com/ian-williams-the-israel-lobby-and-the-u-n/

    • Replies: @Derer
  121. @Colin Wright

    Russia gave Poland some excellent land such as Silesia, Pomerania, Lubusz and Masuria.

  122. refl says:
    @Alfred

    This whole idea of ‘claiming land back’ is rather clueless. Such ideas were still around in West Germany prior to reunification, when the whole issue of settling the aftermath of WWII was fiction.

    The world has moved far beyond. Those who were put on the run as babies are dying out by now and when you walk through a German city today, the eastern European immigrants are the closest to the settled Germans that you can find. Even at the time of the war, the distinction would have been hard to make.
    Now, as then, the way forward would be a federal alliance between Germans and their closer Slav neighbours, which would be easier now, as Germany is not as dominant as it used to be. Sadly, any chance of this has been destroyed by the most recent German wannabe-elite’s desire to safe the world and dumping this idea on their neighbours.

    It would just be nice to honestly assess what really happened and put the so called Great Powers in the dock of history, if only to stop them from repeating their crimes endlessly.

  123. @melpol

    OK, I know that the Poles were not very fond of their Jewish minority; so much so that at one point they shipped them all off on trains to the German border. When Adolf Hitler responded in kind, the Poles brought back the trains and their Polish Jewish occupants.

    Despite this, what are your sources for the information you provide?

    • Replies: @melpol
  124. JamesD says:

    Research the Jedwabne massacre. The “Jewish Militia” rounded up 22,000 Poles in Jedwabne, Poland during the Bolshevik occupation in 1940, who were “deported”, according to Wikipedia. Interesting, sending residents away to Siberia is call “deported”. No, 22,000 Poles were sent to death camps in Siberia.

    When the Germans freed the area there were retribution killings of 320 Jews by the surviving locals.

    Question, does the term “massacre” refer to the killing of 22,000 Poles in death camps, or the retribution killing of 320 Jews? Guess.

    The Poles remember how the Jews acted towards them when the Bolsheviks took over. Let the Jews pay $300 Billion in retributions to the surviving families in Jedwabne.

  125. Poland intended to attack Russia as a junior partner of Hitler. That is why the western border of Poland (with Germany) was totally unfortified and undefended, as opposed to the heavily fortified Eastern border with the USSR.

    Really? They’re next door to Bolshevik Russia in the 1930s during the era of peak NKVD activity, and maybe they’re just a little paranoid?

  126. melpol says:
    @Steve Naidamast

    My material sources concerning the massacre of Jews by the Poles are buried because of political correctness. All that is left is a few clues and common sense. Most of the death camps were located in Poland and Millions of the Polish Jews are missing. My educated conclusion is that they were murdered by the Poles. I can picture mobs dragging Jews out of their homes and beating them. I repeat my main sources are common sense and an understanding of Human Nature.

    • Replies: @Johan
  127. MarylinM says:

    Questions:
    1) Will the restitution claims still be enforcable, after yet another partition of Poland by Russia and EU is complete?
    2) Is Putin is a shabbas goy?

  128. Excellent piece, Israel. I need, though, to find a bucket of pop-corn and enjoy comments section. ;))

    • Agree: Cortes
  129. @Jeff Davis

    Internet and cellphone cameras are teaching everyone, including Jews, the evil of Judaism. So the Jews will just disappear of their own accord. You seem to be close to that point.

    • Replies: @Jeff Davis
  130. utu says:
    @Steve Naidamast

    The result was that Poland continued its often violent and oppressive policies of German ethnic nationals that lived within Poland and Danzig that reached a point that Germany could no longer tolerate as a result of growing vehemence in German public opinion against such Polish policies.

    The tipping point, if I remember correctly, was that the Polish Border Guards in Danzig finally unleashed a wave of violence so terrible that 5000 German ethnic nationals were killed.

    Don’t be naive. There was no “growing vehemence in German public opinion” except for what was astroturfed in Goebbels media. Besides no “German ethnic nationals were killed” whether 5000, 500 or 50.

    The tipping point were British guarantees. After British guarantees to Poland on 31 March 1939 Hitler on April 3, 1939 issued a revised OKW directive to the armed forces, which after referring to the question of Danzig made reference to Fall Weiss (the military code name for the German invasion of Poland).

    No provocations on part of Poles whether real or imagined or false-flagged by Germans were a cause of the war. The decision to go to war was made after Hitler realized that Poland won’t be the 2nd Czechoslovakia because of British guarantees. Then the Pact Ribbentrop-Molotov made possible doing away with Poland swiftly because of Soviet participation and knowing there would be no risk of facing a hostile USSR in the East.

    Joint Soviet-Nazi military parade in Poland.

    German officers Generalleutnant Mauritz von Wiktorin (left), General der Panzertruppe Heinz Guderian (centre) and Soviet (((Kombrig Semyon Krivoshein))) (right) standing on the platform.
    September 22, 1939, during the invasion of Poland in the city of Brest-Litovsk

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German–Soviet_military_parade_in_Brest-Litovsk

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
    , @Saggy
  131. Wally says:
    @Just passing through

    Just passing through, regards.

    – Well, in the first place the entire matter is “made up”.
    What is impossible necessarily remains impossible regardless of the fictitious drama.

    – But indeed, Jews are essentially trying to buy votes with their ‘millions of others’ lies.
    Be aware that those ‘others’ have received and still demand truck loads of cash.
    Always follow the money.

    – Those who try to deflect Wiesenthal’s ‘5M others’ by essentially saying that he was innocent in his absurd claims fail to recognize that the narrative outside of Wiesenthal’s claim states clearly that ‘millions of others’ were exterminated in the same way and at the same places that Jews are alleged to have been ‘exterminated’.

    – It is the “Holocau$t Industry” which claims that millions upon millions of Jew & ‘others’ remains exist in known locations, NOT REVISIONISTS.

    ‘Hoisted by their own petard.’

    • Replies: @Nonny Mouse
  132. utu says:
    @Jon Halpenny

    The excellent lands were not theirs to give.

  133. Skeptikal says:
    @Svevlad

    If the Jews wanted a Jewish state, why didn’t they jsut stay in the Pale of Settlement, where they cuold have had their state on the margin of Europe.

    Why is the Pale of Settlement—as a concept—a no-no, whereas the Jewish State in Palestine, for Jews only, is A-OK?

    I don’t get it. What did/do the Jews actually want?

    I think it was Freud who semi-rhetoricaly asked: What does a woman want?

    More relevant to contemporary history: What do the Jews want?

    Mainly, they seem to want to keep shape-shifting until they get Eretz Israel, and accusing anyone who notices this of antisemitism.

    What a piece of work, the Jewish people. Oi vey!

    • Replies: @utu
  134. eah says:
    @israel shamir

    You didn’t answer the (perfectly civil and appropriate) question — here, I’ll repeat it for you:

    What’s doubtful about it? — “it” being (I assume) the murder of Poles by the Russians at Katyn, which you seemed to label “doubtful” above (that’s the/my assumption about what you meant by “Katyn”) — you were asked to explain what you meant by “doubtful”.

    I’m sure others are interested in your answer too.

    Your comment/non-response is unworthy of an unz.com contributor.

    • Replies: @snag
  135. Skeptikal says:
    @israel shamir

    Can you provide originals of this term in German and French, and examples of where/how used?

    The idea of being a citizen under a different law from the law of the land sounds like an inherent contradiction. Being a citizen means that you give up other systems of law. Also, in what period of German history would this term have been used? The Unification of Germany was 1871. Before this there wasn’t any Germany for anyone to be a citizen of. After this I believe the term was Reichsbuerger/innen

    From German-language birth certificates (both pre- and post-Unification) I know that the Jewish religion in that context, or adherents of that religion, were “Mosaisch,” i.e., “Name of X, mosaischer Religion.” But I haven’t seen use of the term “citizens of Mosiac Law.”

    A google search gives just one result: this article.

    • Replies: @israel shamir
  136. utu says:
    @Skeptikal

    The majority of Jews in Poland and Russia were not Zionists so they were not interest in Palestine or Uganda. Carving out some territory in the Pale of Settlement was talked about in various circles though obviously Poles, Belorussians and Ukrainians were hostile to this idea. In the USSR some Jewish activists (later nurdered by Stalin) were lobbying for Crimea as a Jewish republic within the USSR but Stalin gave them Birobidzhan on the Trans-Siberian Railway, near the China-Russia border.

    BEFORE CRIMEA WAS AN ETHNIC RUSSIAN STRONGHOLD, IT WAS A POTENTIAL JEWISH HOMELAND
    https://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/164673/crimea-as-jewish-homeland

    See an example the German-Jewish plan:

    The League of East European States or Federation of East European States (German: osteuropäischer Staatenbund) was a 1914 proposal by the German Committee for Freeing of Russian Jews for a German-dominated consociational buffer state to be established in the Russian Partition of the multi-ethnic territory of the former Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_East_European_States

    The leftist Bundists who were anti-Zionists in Poland were lobbying for an autonomy after WWI. At some point the region of Bialystok was considered as a possible center for Jewish autonomy.

    • Replies: @Alfred
  137. Skeptikal says:
    @but an humble craftsman

    “Katyn Katyn Katyn” is the Poles’ version of the Jews’ “Auschwitz Auschwitz Auschwitz.”

    Shit happens in wars in complicated territories such as Poland.

    Polish leadership seems to be historically stupid and unreliable.
    They couldn’t understand that geography was the destiny of their “country.”
    They wanted to be an empire by expanding southeast—west was cut off by Germany and east was cut off by Russia—but everyone they tried to get control over hated them.
    See Taras Bulba for a pop-culture insight.

    Katyn is not a justification for any further stupidity by the Poles in the 21st century.
    Now they see what shmoozing with the Americans has gotten them.
    The Jews are relentlessly grasping. They will *never* stop milking the genocide for as much as they can get. From anyone and everyone.
    Why didn’t the Poles see this coming?

  138. @Jon Halpenny

    Generous of them.

    I just gave Utu your new BMW. Wasn’t that nice of me?

  139. Art says:

    Now on to 9/11!

    Belief in the ‘Holocaust’ Is Crumbling Around the World, What Will the Consequences of this Earthquake Be?

    The question that challenges the shrewdest philosophers and prophets is how the world will respond when the holocaust narrative is no longer considered believable. What happens when the holocaust is regarded as far-fetched as Santa Claus, an illusion as is the fable of Emperor’s New Clothes by Hans Christian Andersen.

    Contemporary revelations of revisionists, historians and scholars have their equivalence with the heresies of Galileo (1564 – 1642) and heretics like Alexander Solzhenitsyn who dared to question what George Orwell described as ‘the prevailing truth’.

    In China, India, the Far East and Middle East, disbelief in the holocaust narrative is commonplace. In Africa and Latin America, the holocaust is a non-story; a sanctuary for those whom media dismiss as ‘holocaust deniers’.

    https://russia-insider.com/en/belief-holocaust-crumbling-around-world-what-will-consequences-earthquake-be/ri28114

    Think Peace – Do No Harm

  140. Russian joke about an anniversary of liberation of Auschwitz (in Russian it is calls Oswenzim, by the name of nearby Polish town):

    Germans say: this is our holiday, we created this camp.
    Jews say: this is our holiday, we were inmates in this camp.
    Poles, Latvians, Estonians, and Lithuanians say: this is our holiday, we rounded up Jews and handed them over to Germans.
    Ukrainians say: this is our holiday, we worked as guards in this camp.
    Russians say: what about us?
    All respond: you came uninvited and spoiled everything.

    • LOL: Felix Keverich
    • Troll: A123
    • Replies: @Boli
  141. @israel shamir

    Very interesting.

    Why would the Nazis suppress the alleged historical connection between modern Jews and Moses? Nazis were no fans of Moses.

    Also, Nazi claims that “Aryans” constituted the master race put them in direct competition with the Biblical report the Lord selected the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (aka Israel) as his special people half a millennium before Moses.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
    , @Bookish1
  142. @Wally

    They always say known locations. They surely must have published the coordinates of all those locations to the nearest tenth of a second.

    They haven’t? Huh?

  143. Dario says:
    @Oscar Peterson

    “(…)Russians were always rather good and tolerant to Jews. There were no pogroms in Russia – only in Poland,…”

    This content is misleading!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kishinev_pogrom

    Please, read at least two books. Then let’s talk: D

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_ben_Moses_Hannover#Yeven_Mezulah
    [ ( hebr.: נתן נטע הנובר) ]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_Hundred_Years_Together
    [Translator: (none) English – why? 😀 ]

  144. Bookish1 says:
    @Alfred

    The question of whether or not the Germans get their land back has nothing to do with wealth creation. It has to do with the restoration of the Prussian spirit.

  145. Boli says:
    @Colin Wright

    About a million of Polish citizens of various ethnicies, men, women, and children, were hauled off into Soviet slavery: to Siberia, Kazakhstan, etc. The conditions were horrific.

  146. Boli says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Jesus. What a horrific blood libel. For all the Polish children murdered in that camp…

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @A123
  147. @Lol just lol

    The Jew has, and is, controlling all the players—America, Russia, Poland, Ukraine, Iran, etc.

    Iran? The Jews control Iran? Sorry, you lost me there.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  148. Skeptikal says:
    @Gordon Pratt

    Bulletin!!
    There was a German language before there were Nazis!
    Jeez, people here are so obsessive about the Third Reich—they think German culture started with the Third Reich, and Nazism sez it all about the German language, history, and culture.
    Pathetic ignoramuses.

    • Replies: @Gordon Pratt
  149. German_reader says:
    @Svevlad

    If I was in control, I’d reply nicely by turning Auschwitz into farmland and burning all the documents publicly.

    Auschwitz wasn’t just an extermination camp for Jews, it was also a place of gentile Polish suffering, so Poles would demolish a site of commemoration for their own dead (even if it’s one that is of course contested with Jews).
    It’s much stranger why concentration camps in Germany are kept in a good state (maybe because Germans intend to use them again? I’ve often thought that one should spread rumours like that among migrants).

  150. Skeptikal says:
    @utu

    The point of Putin’s comments about Polish co-responsibilty for WW2 (along with that of Britain and France) is that none of the “Western” nations would team up with the USSR to keep Hitler in check.
    They all signed deals with Hitler.
    Long before the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.
    They didn’t see the danger.
    After being hung out to dry by the West one really cannot blame the USSR for making his own deal with Hitler in order to stave off the latter’s aggression for a while longer.

    • Replies: @Fox
  151. German_reader says:
    @Felix Keverich

    In reality every Polish partition was initiated by Prussia/Germany and the lands acquired by Russia were all historical Rus lands

    Congress Poland went well beyond anything that was historically a Rus land:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congress_Poland
    Warsaw had never been a Russian city.
    I also doubt your interpretation of the partitions, there was a lot of Russian meddling in Poland’s internal politics before them (though you of course could argue that Catherine the Great was German anyway, so it all evens out…).

  152. @Jeff Davis

    “Suicide-by-Goy” — I love it! Thanks for your post, Jeff.

  153. @Boli

    If you listen to Wally or other Hitler fanboys/girls here, nobody was murdered in that camp. People died exclusively from natural causes, while nice German doctors did their best to prevent that.

    That’s why it is hard to take them (and other volunteers at revising the history) seriously. Lots of Jews, Soviet POWs, Poles, and even Germans were murdered at Auschwitz. Soviets in 40+ years murdered a lot fewer than Nazis in four. But tell that to the Polish government. Or to yourself (see comment #148). I saw the monuments to victims of different nationalities in Mauthausen. Auschwitz was very similar.

  154. @Digital Samizdat

    Little voices tell him/her that. Haloperidol does not help any more.

    • LOL: Digital Samizdat
  155. Johan says:
    @Leon

    “It is a proven fact that there was no Holocaust against Jews by the German people but you still push that narrative.”

    It appears to me that some of the Holocaust revisionists made a very good case that there is no proof for it. That is no proof against though, proof like that could probably only be given for instance by means of counting the numbers of Jews who were still alive after WWII, comparing them with the numbers before the war. But such a thing is by now an impossibility, I think it is safe to say that proof against the whole thing is by now an impossibility. So, we have to do with no proof in favour of it, which can be regarded as almost the same thing.

    • Replies: @Nonny Mouse
  156. @melpol

    Gosh. Sounds almost as bad as the West Bank!

  157. chris says:
    @Oscar Peterson

    Not sure your mentioning the Czechs’ behavior is borne out by the facts.

    Ralf Raico quoting Wilson after the Versailles ‘peace’ conference says that upon learning that the new country of Czechoslovakia now contained a couple million ethnic Germans, supposedly exclaimed: “Masaryk never mentioned this!”

    So much for acting ‘reasonably!’

    • Replies: @Karel
    , @Oscar Peterson
  158. A123 says:
    @Boli

    Boli,

    You have to get used to trolls like SOROSfromTN. He exists to put more money in the pockets of his Blood Prophet the IslamoSoros.

    Ignore his ranting and gibbering.

    PEACE 😇

  159. Hibernian says:
    @israel shamir

    I think the Greeks are the Italians of the East.

  160. @Curmudgeon

    Alsas and Loreine were bitten of Germany after WW1 by French.
    That has nothing to do with Poland.

  161. Johan says:
    @melpol

    The rationale, if any, is actually that of dumb mobs, idiots and fanatics, where there is smoke, there is fire… a few clues and.. guilty..
    And ehm, educated ‘conclusion’?

    • Replies: @melpol
  162. Good article.
    Poland is a poor country. Practically void of any industry, Except maybe some shipyards build by Germans.
    Some backward agriculture. Jews making Polish to pay is like steeling money from a beggar.

  163. Pft says:

    Poland simply signed a non aggression pact with Germany similar to what they had with the Soviet Union. When Hitler annexed part of Czechoslovakia Poland moved to take its own share. The Soviets were not happy and threatened to withdraw from the non aggression pact if they occupied any part of Czechoslovakia, which Poland then did when Czechoslovakia gave in to their demands. The Soviets never formally withdrew from the pact but likely felt it was null and void by Polands actions.

    Germany simply wanted Free Danzig territory returned to them, which was rightly theirs , but the British persuaded Poland not to give it up and signed a Anglo-Polish agreement promising assistance and alliance in the event Germany invaded any part of Poland. Knowing the use of force would lead to British and French declaration of War, and with the Soviets mobilizing against Germany, Hitler agreed with Stalin to carve up Poland , which brought the Soviet army closer to Germany but did the same for Germany Army and Russia, and served to delay a war on 2 fronts until Germanys war preparations were more advanced and at a time of Hitlers choosing

    Basically Stalin was hoping the British/French would soften Germany up so he could invade Germany, while the British were hoping Hitler would choose to go after the Soviet Union first, as that was his known objective. Why Chamberlain choose to take a stand for the undemocratic Poland after they annexed part of Czechoslovakia is a mystery. Some speculated FDR offered to support the British in any war and in conjunction with pressure from the Zionist backed Churchill and media , was more than he could stand politically. Who knows?

    Technically, as the Soviets also invaded Poland the Anglo-American agreement would have called for the British to declare war on the Soviet Union as well. Stalins aggressions against Poland, Finland and his annexations of Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, and parts of Romania (Bessarabia, northern Bukovina and the Hertza region), the latter in violation of the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact , are overlooked. Despite all this after Hitler invaded the Soviet Union Germany was the sole occupier of Poland and so Stalin became an ally.

    So for all of that, the war to save Poland gave Poland to the Soviet Union at the conclusion of the war.

    As for those who died in Poland, I imagine most of the deaths were caused by the war. Most of the non fighting population became forced labor. Conditions were harsh, and towards the end famine and disease took its toll. The idea that a resource deprived nation in time of war and needing labor for its war industries would use valuable energy to destroy productive labor makes no sense. Of course, those too sick, weak or old to work probably were not treated well and some no doubt were killed off. At that point I don’t know that Jews were treated all that differently than gypsies and known communists, and other pow’s , many of which were christian. They all no doubt suffered horribly.

    20% of the prewar population was killed, about half of them were Jewish.
    It was a holocaust no doubt, and Germany had its own holocaust in the years following their surrender. 70 million dead in WWII or its aftermath, give or take , and thats the true holocaust. How many civilian targets were bombed for no other reason than to demoralize the population, and then famine in the occupied areas killed many more.

  164. Bookish1 says:
    @AnonFromTN

    1947 Red Cross figure for deaths in all camps was 271,300 or around that figure. I think the Red Cross knows a little more about thosethings than you do.

  165. Bookish1 says:
    @Gordon Pratt

    Nazi claims were based on common sense. A good and just god wouldn’t pick a parasitical people who ruined civilizations by the hundreds for his special chosen ones. He would choose the highest culture creating people who advanced civilization the most as his special people. Nazis win that argument.

  166. Alfred says:
    @utu

    In the USSR some Jewish activists (later nurdered by Stalin) were lobbying for Crimea as a Jewish republic within the USSR but Stalin gave them Birobidzhan on the Trans-Siberian Railway, near the China-Russia border.

    I believe that the great fuss being made in the media about Russia “annexing” Crimea is because they planned to move the Jews currently in Palestine to Crimea. Their current location is not tenable long-term.

    The fact that Putin carried out that peaceful reintegration of what was historically Russian suggests that he is not a stooge of the Jews.

    The Jewpedia makes it clear that they are not happy at all with 95% of the voters electing to return to Russia.

    Annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation

    They even have the temerity to question the validity and numbers of the referendum:

    The referendum was held despite the opposition from the Ukrainian government. Official results reported about 95.5% of participating voters in Crimea (turnout was 83%) were in favour of seceding from Ukraine and joining Russia. The results of referendum were questioned; another report by Evgeny Bobrov, a member of the Russian President’s Human Rights Council, suggested the official results were inflated and only 15% to 30% of Crimeans eligible to vote actually voted for the Russian option

    Total BS.

  167. melpol says:
    @Johan

    Millions of Jews died in Poland. Not one was a bomb maker and all were peaceful civilians. Polish Jews were passive educated family people. Never in recorded history were so many literate and college educated people murdered. There is no excuse for this wanton masacre. Poland must give Jews a slice of Polish territory to create a new secular Jewish homeland. Jews are angry for what the Poles did to their ancestors. Israel might just Nuke them in retaliation.

    • Replies: @Robjil
    , @JamesinNM
  168. lavoisier says: • Website

    When someone like Israel Shamir disputes the ability of the Jewish Bolsheviks to take over Russia and impose their will on an entire nation, despite being a minority in the nation and in many respects foreign, one need look no further than the land of the free and the home of the brave for proof that this can be accomplished.

    Despite being a distinct minority in the United States the Jews have managed to take control of the nation and its government, imposing their will on its people and forcing the nation to serve Jewish interests first and foremost.

    Hell even Western European nations will put you in jail for questioning the holocaust. Their power is unchallenged. How could a supposedly free and intelligent people become such willing fools? In the lands and cultures their ancestors developed?

    The bitterest pill to swallow is the realization that they control us because of our own weakness and folly.

    Stupid is as stupid allows.

    • Agree: Robjil, Saggy, Igor Bundy
  169. DinoN says:
    @Just passing through

    Isn’ t America a trouble maker?

    • Replies: @JamesinNM
  170. @refl

    Sadly true.
    The Germans will have to save their souls themselves.
    The noble and, I think, necessary idea of actually caring for the war crimes of the own side has been perverted into the belief that nobody but Germans did commit any crime at all.

    • Agree: JamesinNM
  171. nickels says:

    Germany will forever be maligned by both Europe and Russia because, on the first account they almost achieved what every European country always secretly dreamed of-to drive the money changers out for good and to drive the murky eastern mongol horde back to the shadows forever, far beyond the Urals, beyond their subconscious fears; and on the other because they almost acheived it, if it weren’t for the low IQ, low bred Italians going off half-cocked and starting a war in the Balkans causing a fatal delay in their march eastward.
    Now Poland-we’re basically just talking about a gas stop and a convenient bunch of slave labor for offloading trains from one type of track to another.

    • Replies: @Just passing through
  172. Aloysius says:
    @melpol

    I think you meant:

    Family of six Palestinians residing in their beautiful home were invaded by a mob of jews…

  173. @Skeptikal

    No need to explain Polish collective maladroitness.

    They played a very unsavoury role in the late thirties that is not discussed very much because they paid a horrible price for it.

    They are also playing a very unsavoury role now in the lead up to a new conflict with Russia and will, once again, pay a horrible price for it.

    While I find the German Schuld-Kult despiccable, the pathological innocence of Russians and Poles is no better and leads to political ideas that should urgently be reexamined. Especially Russians might profit from some reflection on why eastern Europeans are not only not grateful for their liberation by the Russian army but outright resentful.

    • Replies: @Felix Keverich
  174. Robjil says:
    @melpol

    Poland created the Ashkenazi people. If it wasn’t for Polish tolerance of Jewish culture there would not be millions of Ashkenazis all over the world.

    Poland invited Jews in Poland in 1054. The Kalisz Statue of 1264 gave great liberties to Jews in Poland. Thus, they grew from a very small population to many millions that spread all over the Polish Kingdom and later the Polish-Lithuanian kingdom. The process of growing from such small numbers makes most Ashkenazis third or fourth cousins of each other.

    http://polishfreedom.pl/en/document/a-general-privilege-for-the-jews-in-greater-poland-the-statue-of-kalisz

    General privilege for the Jews in Greater Poland – the statue of Kalisz
    Historical context

    Issued in 1264 by Bolesław Pobożny (Boleslaus the Pious), Duke of Wielkopolska (Greater Poland), this charter of liberties for the Jews – known as the Statute of Kalisz – was modeled on earlier rights extended to Jews in Bohemia, Austria, and Hungary. Composed of thirty-six articles, the Statute regulated matters of jurisdiction over the Jewish population, the rules for the credit and trade activities pursued by the Jews, and their relations with Christians. It brought order to the basic economic, organizational, and cultural/religious issues shared by all the Jewish communities within Wielkopolska. Initially, the Statute of Kalisz was binding only in Wielkopolska. However, it was later confirmed by King Kazimierz III Wielki (Casimir III the Great), who in 1334 extended it to all Jews in the Kingdom of Poland. As a result, Poland – and later the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth (Rzeczpospolita) – became the early modern era’s greatest (if only numerically) center for the Jewish diaspora, for the reason that it guaranteed exceptionally advantageous conditions for life and for cultivating Judaism and Jewish customs.

    https://www.polin.pl/en/wystawy-wystawa-glowna-galerie/paradisus-iudaeorum

    The high point of Jewish culture in Poland was 1569-1648.

    Paradisus Iudaeorum (1569–1648)

    Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, one of the largest states in Europe that was ethnically and religiously diverse, became a home to the majority of world Jewry. It was here that Jews enjoyed the autonomy they had not known before, and the most eminent rabbis resided and taught.

    Ashkenazis should honor Poland for creating their culture and their people itself because of the very long tolerance of the Polish Kingdom and later the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.

    • Replies: @Nonny Mouse
  175. JamesinNM says:

    Pray for Christ’s return and the destruction of all evil.

    • Replies: @melpol
  176. JamesinNM says:
    @DinoN

    Extraordinarily worse that that. Thankfully, God is not conned, and all will be judged perfectly by God.

  177. JamesinNM says:
    @melpol

    Read Romans 2:28-29, Revelation 2:9 and 3:9, and the reader survey titled “Defense of True Israel” on the www dot MissionToIsrael dot org web site. Also, research the history of Khazaria and the Khazars. Thankfully, all injustices will be addressed at the final judgement, and all evil will suffer the second death and be condemned to burn for eternity.

  178. @Jeff Davis

    It’s possible to be both a Holocaust denier and a Holocaust supporter. Given as a supporter you think extermination of the Jews is a good idea, did the Nazis attempt that?

    • Replies: @Jeff Davis
  179. @Johan

    Innocent until proven guilty. Therefore, judicial finding, there was no Holocaust, the killings were non-zero but that’s all. And there were killings of German Gentiles. Political activism meant death as in any dictatorship.

    • Replies: @Saggy
    , @Johan
  180. Why on earth should Russia forgive the Poles or mend relations with them if they have a “change of heart”? Even if they did, does Shamir seriously believe Amerikastan would just close its bases, withdraw its war criminals, and go away? Has Shamir not seen what happened in Iraq after the parliament passed a resolution demanding the withdrawal of all Amerikastani occupation war criminals? And even if the Amerikastanis were to withdraw their war criminals, any reason why Russia should forgive Poland? What does Russia need Poland for? What good is it to Russia? In case of an Amerikastani instigated war against Russia, Poland can be eradicated from the map of the planet in two hours. In all other circumstances, Poland is at best a minor irritant to Russia and a bleeding ulcer to the EU.

    And why should Russia care about the Poles? Who are they? What use are they to Russia or to anyone else (except as a source of shopgirls, housepainters, cut rate doctors, and prostitutes to west Europe, that is)? What guarantee is there that, like their fellow habitual turncoats the Kurds, they won’t again betray Russia at the first opportunity? Let the Poles go to hell. They deserve no better and their NATO masters are showing them the way.

    • Agree: Igor Bundy
  181. @NoseytheDuke

    Meaning? And don’t bother admitting that what you referred to as a punch-line was nothing of the kind, being, beyond argument, mere descripive identification. Do you have a problem,, BTW, with Geraldine Doogue being praised for her intelligence, civility and professiinal competence?

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  182. “Only a neo-Nazi would prefer to remain the owner of his apartment when it could be given over to a Jewish American organization.” Well said. World War Two was a long time ago. I can’t even believe that all of these people want to keep nursing old grudges. If I were the German or Polish or Russian government, I would say “enough”. Giving money to Jewish organizations is like paying extortion money. If you do it once, you’ll have to do it a hundred times. Those “Jews” (who I wouldn’t even sit next to in a restaraunt) use that money to promote communism, feminism, homosexuality, and the political indoctrination of children. You couldn’t find a more anti-democratic group of people. They are real Bolsheviks.

  183. Saggy says: • Website
    @AnonFromTN

    Lots of Jews, Soviet POWs, Poles, and even Germans were murdered at Auschwitz

    Sheer idiocy, and for you to repeat these preposterous lies while pretending that is common knowledge with no need for justification shows that you are a dishonest cur, give back the star !

    There is the perception that the Nazis killed Jews randomly and mercilessly without compunction or prosecution. This is propaganda with no basis in reality.

    The reality is that crime committed by the Nazi camp guards and administration, the SS , was actively investigated and prosecuted. Georg Konrad Morgen was in charge of an investigative team that prosecuted many high ranking SS officials, including two camp commandants.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_Konrad_Morgen

    However, in mid-1943, Himmler recalled Morgen to investigate and prosecute corruption in the concentration camp system, which had become rampant, as reflected in Himmler’s notorious Posen speeches.

    Morgen’s investigations began with Karl-Otto Koch, the commandant of Buchenwald and Majdanek, Koch’s wife Ilse Koch, sadistic SS officer Martin Sommer, and Buchenwald’s camp doctor Waldemar Hoven. Charges included theft, military insubordination, and murder.

    Koch was tried, convicted, and executed shortly before the end of the war (for his involvement in the deaths of two prisoners – ad). In post-war testimony, Morgen claimed the stories of Frau Koch’s fetish with lampshades made of human skin were merely a legend: he had personally searched Koch’s home near Buchenwald and found nothing of the kind. He later told the American journalist John Toland that he persisted in denying the story while being threatened with beatings and while actually being beaten twice by his Allied interrogators after the war.

    Part of Morgen’s testimony at Nuremberg, The Avalon Project : Nuremberg Trial Proceedings Vol. 20

    http://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/08-07-46.asp

    HERR PELCKMANN: Why was a special power of attorney from the Reichsfuehrer necessary?

    MORGEN: For the guards of the concentration camps, the SS and Police courts were competent; that is, in each case the local court in whose district the concentration camp was located. For that reason, because of the limited jurisdiction of its judge, the court was not able to act outside its own district. In these investigations and their extensive ramifications it was important to be able to work in various districts. Besides that, it was necessary to use specialists in criminal investigation, in other words, the Criminal Police. The Criminal Police however could not carry on any investigation directly with the troops, and only by combining juridical and Criminal Police activities was it possible to clear this up, and for this purpose I was given this special power of attorney by the Reichsfuehrer.

    HERR PELCKMANN: Now, how extensive did these investigations become? You can be brief because the witness Reinecke answered this point in part.

    MORGEN: I investigated Weimar-Buchenwald, Lublin, Auschwitz, Sachsenhausen, Oranienburg, Hertogenbosch, Krakow; Plaszow, Warsaw, and the Concentration Camp Dachau. And others were investigated after my time.

    HERR PELCKMANN: How many cases did you investigate? How many sentences were passed? How many death sentences?

    MORGEN: I investigated about 800 cases, that is, about 800 documents, and one document would affect several cases. About 200 were tried during my activity. Five concentration camp commanders were arrested by me personally. Two were shot after being tried.

    HERR PELCKMANN: You had them shot?

    MORGEN: Yes. Apart from the commanders, there were numerous other death sentences against Fuehrer and Unterfuehrer.

    HERR PELCKMANN: Did you have any opportunity of gaining personal insight into the conditions in concentration camps?

    MORGEN: Yes, because I had authority to visit concentration camps. Only a very few persons had this permission. Before beginning an investigation, I examined the concentration camp in question in all its details very closely, inspecting especially those arrangements which seemed particularly important to me. I visited them repeatedly and without notice. I was working mostly in Buchenwald itself for 8 months and have lived there. I was in Dachau for one or two months.

    HERR PELCKMANN: Since so many visitors to concentration camps say they were deceived, do you consider it possible that you, too, were a victim of such deceit?

    MORGEN: I have just pointed out that I was not a mere visitor to a concentration camp but I had settled down there for a long residence, I might almost say I established myself there. It is almost impossible to be deceived for such a long time. In addition, the commissions from the Reich Criminal Police Department worked under my instructions, and I placed them directly in the concentration camps themselves. I do not mean to say that in spite of these very intensive efforts I was able to learn of all the crimes, but I believe that there was no deception in regard to what I did learn.

    And, perhaps you’d like to hear the extensive evidence of the extraordinary efforts the Nazis made to combat typhus in the camps. If so, just ask.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @AnonFromTN
  184. Fox says:
    @Skeptikal

    Now you need to state in what and how Hitler’s “aggression” manifested itself. His stetd goal was to undo the injustices and insanity of the Treaty of Versailles, dictate if there ever was one, with the Germans not even being allowed to participate in the meetings. The hunger blockade was kept up until after the “”Treaty”” was signed.
    That the thieves and liars didn’t like their booty taken from them is not surprising, that they have not learnt to this day that it was wrong what they did, and that they rather pretend that it was entirely reasonable to rape a nation of 80 million people, is surprising for someone who has maintained a certain standard of expectation of human reason.
    Hitler made far-reaching conciliatory statements, he was trying to come to an understanding with all of Germany’s neighbors. Hence, the renunciation of future pretensions on the German provinces held by France, by Italy, -in Denmark, I read recently, there was even a referendum during the German occupation about the status of North Schleswig (taken from Germany in 1919) with the outcome that a majority voted for Denmark; Austria and the German areas in Czecho-Slovakia both wanted to join Germany proper, and Hitler wanted to come to a final understanding with Poland. He did not create that mess, but wanted to come to an amicable understanding with all of Germany’s neighbors in the service of prosperous and peaceful future together.
    This does sound exactly like the opposite of the unhealthy and deranged narrative about Hitler, his movement and Germany that has been installed by the people who firtsly forced the war to happen and then to bring it to the most destructive end.
    Whether Merkel’s destructive doings are welcomed or not, they are a late consequence of the willfully total war waged against the largest nation in Europe with the aim at erradicating it for some simple-minded and short-sighted “political” (the word can stand here only in quotation marks) goals.

  185. Saggy says: • Website
    @Nonny Mouse

    the killings were non-zero

    The number of Jews killed in the camps for being Jews is zero. It is a complete, 100%, hoax. The same number of Japs were killed in US camps for being Japs. Even a billion lies don’t make it real.

  186. melpol says:
    @JamesinNM

    I am an Ashkenazi Jew and I honor old Poland because its leaders treated Jews so well. But something terrible followed and most Ashkenazi Jews along with 50 million other Europeans were slaughtered in the great war.

    • Replies: @Saggy
    , @Anon
  187. PeterMX says:
    @Israel Shamir

    That explains a lot. In regards to WW II history and anything relating to Jews, Wikipedia is completelely biased against Germans and 100% supportive of Jews. Wikipedia is worthless and unreliable in regards to these issues.

    I never heard of Poles fighting for Germany but I would be interested in knowing more about that. Were these in actuality ethnic Germans whose lands were occupied by Poland between the wars or actually Poles? In any case, I’m sure there is a good explanation, just as there is a good explanation why Ukrainians, Belarussians, Latvians, Estonians and even Russians welcomed the German Wehrmacht as liberators. Because Judeo-Bolshevik commie Russians were the biggest bunch of mass murderinng butchers in history. That is the reason. They murdered 8 million Ukrainians between the wars, many millions of Russians, little Latvia and Estonia lost huge percentages of their populations with many people sent to far off places in the USSR, never to be seen again. And all this was headed up by murederous Judeo-Bolsheviks who made up 80 to 85% of the USSR government, a government that forbade Christianity, which was central to Russian and Ukrainian culture. Nobel Prize recipient Alexander Solzhenitsyn wrote of the Jews dominating the ranks of the commisars and the Soviet secret police and their prevalence in the high ranks of Judeo-Bolshevik Commie Russia. Stalin replaced his Jewish foreign minister with Molotov, who was married to a Jew, so he could go to Germany to negotiate the non-aggression pact.

    Youtube is doing good work for you. In the last month or so Youtube has removed thousands of videos including many of historical importance, videos showing large crowds of Ukrainians and Belarussins welcoming the German army as liberators, with Slavic priests and nuns thanking their German liberators for saving them from the murderous Judeo commies. Not to mention the Latvians, Estonians and others that welcomed the Germans as liberators and joined up to fight alongside the Germans against Europe’s mortal enemy. Videos of Tallinn and Riga being liberated from the communists were removed. But you won’t find any Germans that welcomed the Jew commies or their American and British allies when these enemies of Europe entered Germany. Instead, Germany fought to the bitter end.

    Ukraine lists its Bolshevik Mass Murderers, almost all are Jews
    https://www.jta.org/2008/07/27/default/list-blames-jews-for-ukrainian-famine

    President Putin says Jews took over the Russian Empire and made up 80 t0 85% of the USSR’s government

    Unfortunately, Youtube deleted Germany’s Josef Goebbels 1937 speeech in which he speaks of the reports the German government was receiving of the horror the Judeo-Bolsheviks created in the USSR, with millions being killed and the murder of Russian priests and raping of nuns. Apparently this was too much for the Russian Jewish born co-owner of Youtube, Sergey Brin and its Jewish co-owner Larry Page. There seeems to be an ongoing theme regarding rape and Jews, with the head Jewish communist propagansdist Ilya Ehrenburg (buried in the stolen land of his people, Israel, not Russia) urging Soviet soldiers to rape German women when they get to Germany. Today we have Harvey Weinstein, Jeffrey Epstein and a long list of others raping.

    Yes, there is a lot of confusion about the war and what motivated people to do what they did and the victors have shown themselves to be unabashed liars to create a narrative favorable to themselves.

    • Replies: @Saggy
  188. Saggy says: • Website
    @melpol

    The only groups wanting WW II were the Jews and the British Round Table group – http://conspiracywiki.com/new-world-order/the-round-table-group/

    The Jews played a major role in creating WW II, starting with the Jews’ declaration of economic war in 1933,
    Jews played a major role in England’s agitation for war, read Wyndham Lewis’s ‘Left Wings Over Europe, or How to Make a War About Nothing’, written 1n 1936. p https://archive.org/details/LeftWingsOverEuropeWyndhamLewis

    Jews played a major role in Roosevelt’s agitation for war, see Weber – Roosevelt’s Campaign to Incite War In Europe, the Secret Polish Documents’ – https://www.ihr.org/jhr/v04/v04p135_Weber.html

    And finally, after the war started there was a six month ‘sitzkrieg’ with little fighting and repeated efforts by Hitler to end the war, all thwarted by Jewish stooge Churchill …. –

    • Replies: @melpol
  189. @Robjil

    Poland was chopped up and thrown away. That has not happened to any other country. Did it happen because the Poles had welcomed the Jews?

  190. @Saggy

    corruption in the concentration camp system, which had become rampant

    I don’t get it. If Nazi leadership were such angels, how could something like that become rampant? And why were concentration camp inmates so emaciated when liberated by either side? Things usually don’t gibe in Hitler’s fan-boys’ diatribes, but you take the cake.

  191. @Mulegino1

    It might be amusing if Auschwitz someday made it into the “It’s a Small World” exhibit.

    • LOL: Mulegino1
  192. @Saggy

    So, there was no Lidice, no Oradour-sur-Glane, no Khatyn and more than a hundred other villages in Belarus that suffered the same fate? Maybe there was no Hitler and WWII, either? Maybe you are worshiping an idol that never existed?

  193. bjondo says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Jews making Polish to pay is like steeling money from a beggar.

    If beggar has a shekel,
    shekel will be taken
    plus finger nails if usable
    for clawing more shekels.

    That shekel plus the $300 billion
    will go towards the $80 trillion+
    Jew owe to Palestinians.

    Iraqis, Syrians, Lebanese, Yemenis,
    Iranians, Americans, and Germans,
    Ukrainians also in line.

    The line is very long.

    How much does America owe?

    5ds

  194. you wrote : While Poles like to begin the history with Molotov-Ribbentrop treaty, subsequently presenting the USSR as an ally of Nazi Germany assaulting innocent and pure Poland; in the new Russian narrative (and in reality), the treaty between Poland and Nazi Germany preceded the Molotov pact by many years.

    “Poland intended to attack Russia as a junior partner of Hitler……”

    Seriously……please provide some references because that is something no one here has read before

    or is it….

    A statement plucked from someones ass.

    • Replies: @Popeye
  195. dimples says:
    @Rurik

    I thought Dresden was bombed because Churchill wanted to impress Stalin. Its hard to see a Jew anti-goy motivation there.

    • Replies: @Popeye
    , @Bookish1
  196. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @melpol

    I am an Ashkenazi Jew and I honor old Poland because its leaders treated Jews so well. But something terrible followed and most Ashkenazi Jews along with 50 million other Europeans were slaughtered in the great war.

    That something terrible is that after being inxtricably linked to Europe destroying communism, as they are linked to nation destroying internationalism today and per the Jewish texts, the Jews would not release their grip on Europe. Lands that were not and are not theirs. What followed was at the behest of Jewish Power. We paid for it then, we’re still paying for it, and the Jewish death toll is radically less than stated.

    Today, Jewish Power is intent on instigating another War. This time to take down the entire West. Per your Jewish texts.

    Zohar Shemot 32a

    • Agree: Druid
  197. uradel666 says:
    @Anonymous

    Be quite honest and fine about it,
    The “Celto-Germanic” Culture, which has long been incorporating in itself many other cultures, is itself the regional foundation and stable investment for West Europe (R1b, I);

    On the other side, the “Uralic” Culture, which has long been incorporating in itself many other cultures (Abashevo, Sintashta, Potapovka, Samoyedic etc), is itself the regional foundation and stable investment for Eurasia (Nc1, most of the modern day Russia);

    Therebetween, Kurgan, Yamna with Vucedol, North Pontic forest-steppe etc cultures which are themselves the regional foundation for East and South-East Europe (nowadays Poland, Ukraine, Balkan region etc Ra1).

    There are some level of existing complementary and interactive relations between them(selves).

    PS
    Descendants of the “Celto-Germanic” Culture are only considered to be the “WHITE” People (Not people with only white skin or only fair hair or only blue eyes).

    Rissians are themselves “Uraloids” with some ethnic and race mixing (admixtures). Russia is NOT the Slavic nation.

    the Slavic nations is a self-appointed (or self-styled) nomination which misidentifies Poland, Ukraine etc.

  198. refl says:
    @AnonFromTN

    I don’t get it. If Nazi leadership were such angels, how could something like that become rampant? And why were concentration camp inmates so emaciated when liberated by either side?

    Please don’t make a fool of yourself. Corruption goes rampant in any mayor bureaucratical system. There are the stories of food disappearing on its way through the gulag administration, for that matter. How in circumstances of general starvation, the inmates in charge of food supply lived like gods.

    Read Margarete Buber Neumann “Prisoner under Stalin and Hitler” (she is anti-communist, but what do you expect from someone who was delivered to her Nazi enemies under the 1939 Soviet German agreement? ).

    On arriving in Ravensbrück she was astonished that there was a second serve at the meals. And then she describes how the camp over the years went down to gulag level (as she puts it) with the arrival of ever more detainees and the mounting scarcity due to the war. And yes, she makes no secret that being German, she never received the illtreatment of the Slavs.

    • Replies: @Erebus
  199. Druid says:
    @melpol

    Spoken like a true chosenite talmudist

  200. Druid says:
    @Jeff Davis

    If you are a Jew as you say, I commend you for your honesty. I have nothing against Jews per se, but their behavior you rightly refer to makes one crazy!

  201. @Skeptikal

    You sure put me in my place except I never made any of the points you rebutted.

    • Replies: @Carolyn Yeager
  202. Wally says:
    @AnonFromTN

    *** Desperately you’re resorting to talking about the possibility of a single person being murdered at Auschwitz rather than the unsupportable claim of ca 1,500,000.
    *** In fact it’s been stated by Jews themselves that at understaffed Auschwitz inmates did murder other inmates.
    ** Indeed, hospitals, Zyklon-B delousing systems, and sports facilities at Auschwitz for Jews and all inmates were used to foster good health. Yes, Jews have stated they used these facilities.
    *** It’s also noted that you fail to acknowledge the fact of illegal Allied attacks on civilian medical & food transports.
    *** The International Red Cross has access to every facility, they found nothing which aligns with the “holocaust” narrative.
    *** Aerial photos from the period do not show what is alleged to have been happening, the alleged gas chambers were scientifically impossible, Jews & others were given a choice to stay or leave at Auschwitz as the Soviets approached, and the claimed immense human remains do not exist.
    ** Your “monuments”, laughable mini Potemkin Villages that they are, only prove that propaganda is real.

    You’re in over your head.

    recommended:
    The ever changing fake Auschwitz numbers:
    https://forum.codoh.com/search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&keywords=faurisson&t=5631&sf=msgonly&ch=-1

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  203. @AnonFromTN

    Corruption in the concentration camps *was* rampant, though, and it figured extremely high in the Nazi list of offences, because stealing the property stolen from the inmates was considered stealing from the state. Such SS officers as the real life Amon Göth ended up imprisoned by the SS not because they were “excessively brutal” or anything like that but because they were neck deep in the black market and in taking money from Jews who had it in return for sending them to less bad concentration camps, especially Theresienstadt.

  204. snag says:

    In regard of the gratitude for liberation? For Poles and other Soviet dominated nations it was like falling out of the frying pan into the fire.

    Many of WWII scholars agree that if it wasn’t for the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact the Germans wouldn’t start WWII to start with.

    BTW, this so called ‘polish’ government is made of closet Jews with nice Polish names, not Poles.

    Thank You and the Unz Review for shedding some light on this subject.

    • Replies: @Anon
  205. @but an humble craftsman

    Especially Russians might profit from some reflection on why eastern Europeans are not only not grateful for their liberation by the Russian army but outright resentful.

    I’m Russian and after some deliberation on this subject I concluded that Eastern Europeans are simply shitty people. A lot of them (Hungarians and Romanians in particular) joined Germany in its invasion of USSR, committed atrocities there, were punished for it – that’s one reason they’re not too grateful.

    • Replies: @Popeye
  206. @renfro

    That’s probably why their pulling this; because they know the good ‘ol US taxpayer can be counted on. They find an opening for a scheme and they go for it, especially the ones that can’t go wrong….kind of like how the banksters can do as they like knowing they will always be backed up.

  207. Popeye says:
    @Felix Keverich

    In the last year of WW2 it’s not entirely clear to me why Stalin didn’t have a small Poland enter the USSR as the Polish Soviet Socialist Republic. In @1946-47 Tito offered to have Yugoslavia federate with USSR. Stalin declined in part because he believed Tito could or would outsmart him, by poisoning etc. A Soviet federation with Bulgaria also was stillborn. Mongolian people’s republic also hoped to join/federate with USSR during and after WW2 but also never happened.

  208. Popeye says:
    @dimples

    I’d say the primary reason to firebomb Dresden was to destroy German morale, for civilian and military alike. And other cities would follow… Leipzig, Munich, and others lacking key strategic value. Essentially to destroy day by day the will of ordinary Germans to keep fighting. Mass demoralization. As also done to fire bombing of Japanese cities that lacked any key strategic value..
    ..

  209. Popeye says:
    @Militiades

    I’ve read a number of historians who argued that the right wing Polish nationalist military dictatorship in timeframe of 1935-37 considered or hoped to have protection of the resurgent 3rd Reich which was, putting it mildly, on the roll in Europe. Ripping up arms limitations…taking back Saar…etc. perhaps not contemplating an invasion of USSR in 35-37 but certainly ingratiating themselves to Germany. And also Poland still had bitter feeling from 1920 war with USSR. Ideologically Poland’s military dictatorship was a lot closer to Nazi Germany than to Marxism leninism..

  210. Correction
    The bill was 447 and the law is 115-171

    • Replies: @A123
  211. @Skeptikal

    @Gordon Prat, too.
    Regarding “Mosaic”

    Nevertheless Jewish identity would be preserved in a redefinition as “Germans of Mosaic faith” or “Frenchmen of Mosaic faith,” and so on.

    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/assimilation
    And tens of thousands of googlable references.
    Just google “Germans of Mosaic faith” or “Frenchmen of Mosaic faith”, and not as I wrote.

    • Replies: @Gordon Pratt
  212. Sari says:

    I cannot translate the issue in German.
    Google says
    400. That’s an error.
    Your client has issued a malformed or illegal request. That’s all we know.

  213. @Wizard of Oz

    A nice lady it would seem, except that she puts her shoulder to the wheel helping to drive forward a giant, taxpayer funded, lying machine that relentlessly grinds out propaganda to bolster an evil agenda. No thumbs up from me sorry but thanks again for the great punchline.

  214. “What countries concluded agreements and treaties with Hitler and when:

    1933 – Great Britain, France, Italy – four-power pact
    1934 – Poland – Hitler-Pilsudski pact
    1935 – Great Britain – Anglo-German naval agreement
    1936 – Japan – Anti-Comintern pact
    1938, September – Great Britain – non-aggression pact
    1938, December – France – non-aggression pact
    1939, March – Romania – economic agreement
    1939, March – Lithuania – non-aggression pact
    1939, May – Italy – pact of friendship and alliance
    1939, May – Denmark – non-aggression pact
    1939, June – Estonia – non-aggression pact
    1939, June – Latvia – non-aggression pact
    1939, August – USSR – non-aggression pact

    Yet everyone is only talking about the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact…“

    • Agree: AnonFromTN
    • Replies: @Tom Piatak
    , @utu
  215. @israel shamir

    Because only the Nazi-Soviet pact was followed by a joint Nazi-Soviet invasion of Poland, the Soviet invasion of Finland, the Soviet annexations of the Baltic States and Bessarabia, all of which fell within the sphere of influence assigned the Soviets under the pact and all of which were followed by the typical Communist butchery. Also, only the Nazi-Soviet pact was followed by the Nazi invasion of Western Europe, which was facilitated by Soviet material aid to the Nazis and Communist subversion of Western democracies.

    • Agree: utu
  216. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Poland has grown rich from remittance sent by Polish guestworkers in Western Europe who have managed to exploit EU free movement rules to undercut waves of local workers. Poland seems to be developing. It will ditch the EU after it has sucked all the blood from it while sabotaging things like Nordstream 2.

    Poles are good at playing both sides.

  217. @nickels

    …if it weren’t for the low IQ, low bred Italians going off half-cocked and starting a war in the Balkans causing a fatal delay in their march eastward.

    Who is more retarded, the low IQ Italians or the Germans for trusting with them? Hitler was not a pragmatist when it came to Mussolini and had affections for him, even going as far as to order a daring raid to rescue him from allied hands.

  218. utu says:
    @israel shamir

    You sovoks are making progress. Bravo, you have acknowledge the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. For decades the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was a taboo topic in the Soviet Union. In 1948. Stalin wrote Falsifiers of History to basically deny his dealings with Hitler:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiers_of_History
    Falsifiers pointedly ignored Soviet relations with Germany, making no attempt to directly counter or deal with the documents published in Nazi–Soviet Relations.[14] Rather, the main theme of the booklet is Western culpability for the outbreak of war in 1939.[3] It argues that “Western powers” aided Nazi rearmament and aggression, including that American bankers and industrialists provided capital for the growth of German war industries, while deliberately encouraging Hitler to expand eastward.[1][3] It depicted the Soviet Union as striving to negotiate a collective security against Hitler, while being thwarted by double-dealing Anglo–French appeasers who, despite appearances, had no intention of a Soviet alliance and were secretly negotiating with Berlin

    and accused the West and everybody and his uncle for dealings with Hitler, which is what you little sovok are doing here. You getting your talking points straight form your hero Stalin.

    Not until Gorbachev everybody in. Russia was denying the existence of the Secret Protocol to the Pact:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov–Ribbentrop_Pact
    For decades, it was the official policy of the Soviet Union to deny the existence of the secret protocol to the Soviet–German Pact. At the behest of Mikhail Gorbachev, Alexander Nikolaevich Yakovlev headed a commission investigating the existence of such a protocol. In December 1989, the commission concluded that the protocol had existed and revealed its findings to the Congress of People’s Deputies of the Soviet Union.[241] As a result, the Congress passed the declaration confirming the existence of the secret protocols, condemning and denouncing them.[253][254] Both successor-states of the pact parties have declared the secret protocols to be invalid from the moment they were signed. The Federal Republic of Germany declared this on 1 September 1989, and the Soviet Union did the same on 24 December 1989,[255] following an examination of the microfilmed copy of the German originals.[256]

    The Soviet copy of the original document was declassified in 1992 and published in a scientific journal in early 1993.

    Your sovok MO when further denials can’t be sustained is to explain that the Pact was a necessity, pragmatism and blah blah blah and besides everybody else was having the fling with the dashing Adolf Hitler so why not Stalin. They look so well together:

    The progress is occurring all over Russia. Just the other day on Russian TV we could hear:

    “Joseph Stalin was right to order the murder in Katyn” – January 20, 2020, Yevgeny Satanovsky

    Bravo, no more Katyn denials.

    This Yevgeny Satanovsky is a sovok and a Jew just like like yourself: President of Russian Jewish Congress in 2001-2005 and now expert in political science and a big mouth TV personality.

    Yevgeny Satanovsky made greater progress than you. You are still doubtful:

    https://www.unz.com/ishamir/the-battle-for-auschwitz/#comment-3671871
    I did not mention the doubtful Katyn;

    But as long you agree with Satanovsky that Poles had it coming you will be OK in the Neo-Sovok Land and probably in Israel as well as long as Putin Netanyahu bromance continues.

    • Replies: @Adûnâi
    , @snag
  219. melpol says:

    Minorities with high IQS are despised and badmouthed. This gives them a greater incentive to obtain social and financial status. Indonesian Chinese were a high IQ minority that outperformed the rest of the population, they were slaughtered. Jews face a similar situation because they are a high IQ minority that outperforms their neighbors. Jews or Indonesian- Chinese as high achievers have been victims of a Holocaust. No person or leader is perfect including high IQ Jews or high IQ Chinese-Indonesians. Great moral expectations can’t be expected from Jew or Chinaman. Enemies of the rising status of oppressed minorities find hundreds of reasons to destroy successful Jews or chinamen.

  220. A123 says:
    @israel shamir

    If you are fixing typos, I believe you refer to the bill as 774 instead of 447 a few times.

    PEACE 😇

  221. melpol says:
    @Saggy

    It was dangerous to be a high achieving minority as were the German Jews. Nazis Jew bashers caused Jews to call for help. Powerful Jews in NYC and London turned against the notorious Jew-hating leader. If Hitler didn’t abuse Jews and their high achievers the great war might have never began.

    • Replies: @Saggy
  222. FYIS says:

    This article is so full of misrepresentations of facts (others call it BS) that it’s not even funny.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Shamir

    That is why the western border of Poland (with Germany) was totally unfortified and undefended, as opposed to the heavily fortified Eastern border with the USSR.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_army_order_of_battle_in_1939

  223. @israel shamir

    The only thing “doubtful” about Katyn was the murder of dozens of honorable German officers for a crime committed by blood thirsty Christian murdering jews and their “army” of drunken Russian shabboz goyim.

    In Major Jordan’s Diaries Jordan describes how within hours of Lend Lease being extended to the USSR after Pearl Harbor, that Stalin had placed a massive order for shiploads of Vodka. It was Stalin’s most vital need. Jordan had to divert critical ships from the east coast, load them up with Bronfam vodka (the same Bronfam family who today are involved with Epstein and NXIVM) and sent them to Vladivostock so that the jewish kommisars could get the unarmed Russian peasants drunk enough to storm MG-34 bonesaw machine gun nests. Of course if they faltered those same kommisars would machine gun them in the back.

    We can also be certain that as the drunken Russian and mongol hordes raped and murdered their way through Poland and Germany that they were drunk on Bronfam vodka paid for by brainwashed US tax donkeys.

  224. Saggy says: • Website
    @utu

    . The decision to go to war was made after Hitler realized that Poland won’t be the 2nd Czechoslovakia because of British guarantees.

    Many in the west thought the German demands on Poland were justified, the return of Danzig and a referendum or whatever in the corridor, mainly to restore to Germany what had been lost at Versailles.y

    Chamberlain’s guarantee made control of Danzig the issue that would become the proximate cause of WW II. Following Chamberlain’s proclamation there was a growing realization that war between Germany and Poland was likely. The following reactions to Chamberlain’s guarantee are compiled in Buchanan’s book[1]:

    “Englishmen who possessed strategic vision were, with few exceptions, appalled”, writes William Manchester.

    “This is the maddest single action this country has ever taken” M.P. Robert Boothsby told Churchill.

    “We are taking a frightful gamble” said Lloyd George. Told by Chamberlain that the pact with Poland will deter Hitler. the prime minister “burst out laughing”. If the British army general staff approved this, said Lloyd George, they “ought to be confined to a lunatic asylum”.

    The mystery is not why the Nazis attacked Poland, but why Chamberlain made the guarantee .. for insight read Wynham Lewis’s ‘Left Wings Over Europe, or How to Make a War About Nothing’, written in 1936

    • Replies: @Adûnâi
  225. Saggy says: • Website
    @PeterMX

    Youtube deleted Germany’s Josef Goebbels 1937 speeech

    I found an excerpt from this speech but it doesn’t contain the comments on Bolshevism … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLrrUsnRTf4
    I haven’t found a transcript of the speech. I did find an excerpt from another extraordinary speech
    https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/film/goebbels-claims-jews-will-destroy-culture
    and the transcript https://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/goeb58.htm which includes extensive commentary on the crimes of the Bolsheviks includes this bit … I’d like to find more video of the speech …

    The programme which these atheistic societies laid down in regard to sexual matters is amply characterised in the following demands publicly expressed at meetings and distributed in leaflet form:

    1. The complete abrogation of those paragraphs of the law dealing with the crime of abortion, and the right to have abortion procured free of charge in State Hospitals.

    2. Non-interference with prostitution.

    3. The abrogation of all bourgeois-capitalistic regulations in regard to marriage and divorce.

    4. Official registration to be optional and the children to be educated by the community.

    5. Abrogation of all penalties for sexual perversities and amnesty to be granted to all persons condemned as “sexual criminals.”

    Truly a case of methodical insanity, which has for its aim the wilful destruction of the nations and their civilization and the substitution of barbarism as a fundamental principle of public life.

  226. Saggy says: • Website
    @AnonFromTN

    And why were concentration camp inmates so emaciated when liberated by either side?

    Here’s a photo of a concentration camp prisoner ….
    The camp was at Andersonville, Ga., at the end of the US Civil War.

    Most of the horrific photos of prisoners at the end of WW II were taken at Belsen where a typhus epidemic had killed 35,000 prisoners in the last months of the war, 10,000 after the camp was liberated. All documented in a British film that was hidden for 50 years but can now be seen here …

    and also victims of allied bombing at Nordhaursen, see the vid here including an interview with a Jewish doctor in the camp at the time …
    https://www.bitchute.com/channel/sxqLgNU13em9/

    Now, did you learn something? Let’s see if you can provide a rational response.

    • Replies: @Saggy
  227. @Wally

    You are repetitive. Or maybe you always were a one-trick pony. I’ve read this BS about saint Adolf many times. I hope he (or other saints of his group) works miracles for you.

    • Replies: @Wally
  228. Adûnâi says:
    @utu

    “Joseph Stalin was right to order the murder in Katyn” – January 20, 2020, Yevgeny Satanovsky”

    Satanovsky is a Jew. He has no right to talk for the USSR or Russia.

    By the way, do you have an explanation for how the Katyn massacre was made using German ammunition? It’s not even addressed on the Wikipedia article. Because defending the USSR is physically impossible for a non-Russian. A mental barrier greater than that against Hitler.

    • Replies: @Igor Bundy
  229. Saggy says: • Website
    @melpol

    It was dangerous to be a high achieving minority

    The reasons that Hitler hated the Jews are spelled out in great detail in Mein Kamp, and high achievement is not one of them. Watch his video in which a well known rabbi explains ….


    • Replies: @melpol
  230. @israel shamir

    You stated earlier that Jews were defined in parts of Europe with reference to Mosaic law until the Nazis.

    I do not see how changing “law” to “faith” answers my question. The Nazis were no fans of Moses so why would they suppress the alleged connection between Moses and modern Jews?

    • Replies: @israel shamir
  231. Adûnâi says:
    @Saggy

    “The mystery is not why the Nazis attacked Poland, but why Chamberlain made the guarantee”

    Why? Because Hitler was not a conscious actor, but an idiot led by vengeance instead? Describes the situation perfectly!

    It was Germany that started the war. And Germany that could have kept peace. What mental gymnastics must one employ to deny it…

  232. Saggy says: • Website
    @Saggy

    Corrected links ….

    Nordhausen bombing vid –


    Rabbi explains why Hitler hate Jews vid –

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/uKbrffKEyE3m/

    • Replies: @Saggy
  233. Wally says:
    @AnonFromTN

    – Seriously? That’s your response?

    – IOW, you cannot refute my points.

    – In fact it is you who is “repetitive”. It is you who repeatedly makes absurd claims that you cannot back up, not me. I’m just responding to your claims. Please re-read the thread, please pay attention.

    Revisionists are just the messengers.

    – You say my points are “BS”, but can’t refute them. Very revealing.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  234. Saggy says: • Website
    @Saggy

    Note to moderator – somehow first links to bitchute video seem to be getting chewed up …. this time I’ll give the same link twice, predicting that the first one will be chewed, and the 2nd will be OK…

    Corrected links:

    [All Bitchute video embedding currently seems broken due to their header settings.]

    • Replies: @Saggy
  235. Derer says:
    @Anon

    “Putin is beholden and friends with the Jewish Oligarchs.”

    This appears to be a slanderous statement from you. Yeltsin’s thieving oligarchs – mostly Jews – almost succeeded, with US money, to take control of Russian energy sector (the oligarchs list is public). It was Putin who kick them out and stopped the pillaging. Some of them were jailed and some escaped to Israel and UK.

  236. melpol says:
    @Saggy

    Poor rag picking or chicken plucking Jews never annoyed Hitler, it was the high achievers. But he lumped all Jews together when writing Mein Kampf or addressing the German public.

    • Replies: @Saggy
  237. Bookish1 says:
    @dimples

    You obviously dont know jews. There is no hatred like jewish hatred.

    • Agree: snag
  238. Bookish1 says:
    @Popeye

    Another reason was the jealousy and hatred that drove the allies to genocide the germans. All that bombing was genocide.

    • Replies: @Popeye
    , @Robjil
  239. @Wally

    When someone claims that 2×2=5, you don’t argue, you call for psychiatric help.

    You are forgetting that a lot of people from former USSR know about WWII not from propaganda, but from first-hand witness accounts. So, keep trying to fool those who never had relatives or acquaintances involved, like you, but you can’t fool those who know what really went on.

    • Troll: Saggy
    • Replies: @Wally
  240. I was wondering why I was subject to this nonsense with so much else going on in the world and now it makes sense, israel and the jews want money.. As long as MSM is allowed to peddle these lies they will continue putting out these moronic tales expecting ever more money and no recourse about history.

    Even bringing out eye witness reports from people who escaped no less after staying hidden for 3 days inside the extermination camp and they saw it all. The mass murder in the gas chambers, heard the SS guards talking about their plans for all of europe and how they would get all the juice.. Even saw them loading thousands of bodies into the gas chambers every day.. Heck even drawing up plans where the gas chambers were and what it looked like.

    All the major media owned by jews peddle this nonsense no matter how much its discredited and in time people actually being to believe this nonsense. Heck it was funny to hear about the gas chambers in the netherlands from the guide as we passed some old nazi camps..

  241. @Adûnâi

    Stalin was given the plans by the germans no less who found out a plan by the british and french to attack the USSR and if Germany had not attacked then the UK/French would have. The plans had names of who would hold what posts post the surrender of the USSR.. Everyone on that list was executed when captured. The Germans actually had a plan to give this very scenario to the USSR to confuse them but why make it all up when such plans already existed..

    Far fetched?? Like how the US was going to use over 250 nukes and destroy over 60 major cities in the USSR? except they did not have that many nukes.. Or that the UK/France has been trying to take crimea for 250 years every chance they got.. Why they gave part of europe to the ottomans to keep rather than allowing the greeks to have it which rightfully belonged them long before.

    • Replies: @Adûnâi
    , @KA
  242. @Gordon Pratt

    Gordon, Nazis – like many readers here – didn’t think German Jews were Germans, just of Mosaic faith. They thought Jews are no Germans, with whatever qualifier. Jews are not Frenchmen of Mosaic faith – they are not Frenchmen at all, in Nazis’ viewpoint. So the Nazis didn’t root for Moses, they didn’t consider Jews being their country-mates. Did you understand it now?

    • Agree: snag
  243. Popeye says:
    @Felix Keverich

    Regarding Romanian killing of.jews a number of reputable historians have stated that Romanian attacks on Jews surprised even German military officers and SS for their ferocity. One incident in particular stands out for ferocity and barbarism. Killing of @200 Romanian Jews by sending them down the line in a Bucharest slaughter house, essentially cutting them as done to cattle.. on a side note the croatian govt established by Germany had a particularly brutal record of atrocities against serbs, Jews, and gypsies

  244. Popeye says:
    @Colin Wright

    Russia has historic reputation of big brother to three people’s in eastern Europe… The Bulgarian for help in achieving Bulgarian independence from ottoman empire @1871..the Czech altho that evaporated with 1968 invasion…and the Serbs, which is still strong today…but certainly not with Poles, Romanians, Croats, Hungarians, or Balts.. on Finns likely not either altho in post 1945 years Finnish govt had overall policy and strategy not to offend Moscow

  245. Adûnâi says:
    @Igor Bundy

    “Stalin was given the plans by the germans no less who found out a plan by the british and french to attack the USSR and if Germany had not attacked then the UK/French would have.”

    Source on this? And how is it relevant? If true, it makes Hitler a confirmed idiot – why give the English Jews a pretext for war, when they could have united to attack Russia instead?

    “Far fetched?? Like how the US was going to use over 250 nukes and destroy over 60 major cities in the USSR?”

    Oh no, this sounds so retarded… Don’t you tell me Russians did not have similar plans. Because everybody did. That’s what nukes are for – to explode over the assets of your enemy! Of course, cities would have been bombed.

  246. Adûnâi says:
    @Jeff Davis

    “the Jews have momentarily blinded the world to the five-thousand year historic reality of unrelenting Jewish predation of non-Jews”

    Why are you spewing such factually incorrect nonsense? Are you trying to mar anti-semitism with your lunacies? Check out Wikipedia – the Jewish people are not older than 3000 years. Not your “5 millennia”.

    And the second point – what is this “predation” supposed to mean? Are you so ignorant of history that in your mind, only Jews preyed upon foreigners? Do a reality check! Anglo-Saxons raped Brits, Danes then raped the Anglos, Normans invaded France, then England, then France again… The history is full of hatred, and that’s OK.

    “Oh the poor long-suffering Jews, boo hoo.”

    And this… this is pure Christian axiology. The weak are good! Strength is evil!

    A general difference between ancient Greco-Roman virtue and modern virtue can be glimpsed through the ancient sculpture, the Dying Gaul. The sculpture portrays a wounded “barbarian”. Whereas moderns would tend to imitate Christ in feeling compassion for the defeated man, its original pagan cultural context suggests a different interpretation: the cruel defeat and conquest of the barbarian as the true, the good, and the beautiful.

    https://chechar.wordpress.com/2018/06/13/heismans-suicide-note-3/

    • Replies: @Jeff Davis
  247. snag says:
    @israel shamir

    Jews in any country always were a quasi state within a state demanding special privileges and treatment – Nothing has changed today.

  248. Popeye says:
    @Bookish1

    By the same token the luftwaffe heavily bombed both Warsaw and Belgrade… But not Paris Amsterdam Brussels Oslo or Copenhagen

  249. awry says:
    @Anonymous

    The governments yes. The people? I can only speak about Hungary, of course , as I’m not familiar with Poland but I don’t think that the people became more pro-Jewish nowadays than say 15 years ago. Anti-semitism was always present among Hungarian nationalists in the past 150 years or so (there were big Jewish immigration waves to Hungary from Galicia in the 19th century (they appeared first in the northwestern part of the Kingdom of Hungary, now Transcarpathia aka Zakarpatska Oblast of Ukraine, the author of the Hungarian national anthem, Ferenc Kölcsey complained about them mentioning the same things that made them hated in Polish/Russian lands, including selling liquor to the peasants etc.), making Hungary one of the most Jewish countries in the world then, and some people weren’t so fond of this, but it was after the dismemberment of the Kingdom of Hungary with the Treaty of Trianon when tensions became worse, partly because the Hungarian Soviet Republic was a mostly Jewish phenomenon, partly becuse the resentment towards rich Jews by middle and lower middle class Hungarians, and later because the influence of German National Socialism.

    So anti-Jewish sentiments are not gone among nationalist minded people, if for no other reason then because the globohomo opposition in Hungary is very pronouncedly Jewish.

  250. Adûnâi says:
    @Rurik

    “if J-supremacist Bolsheviks had not starved to death untold millions of the hardiest, most resilient, intelligent and independent of Ukraine’s people, as soon as these fiends had Ukraine by the throat”

    A friendly reminder to any ignoramuses that the population of the Ukraine reached its absolute peak of 53 mil. people under the Soviet power (in 1993). Whereas under capitalism, it has faced more death and general decline than in the famines and WW2.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Ukraine

    Ukraine has been losing 200k-400k people a year for the past two decades. That is a White genocide far worse than muh’ Judaeo-Bolsheviks.

    https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/ukraine-population/

    “Dresden was full to the brim with Eastern European women and children fleeing for their lives from the genocidal Bolshevik fiend, who was unleashing its Red Army rapist orcs on Eastern Europe and Germany, now that the men were all slaughtered or dying a slow death in their gulags”

    How can you say that with a straight face? Last time I checked, Germans were living in the German Democratic Republic just fine. They were not genocided. Unlike Belarus which lost 10% of its population in WW2.

    The population of Belarus suffered a dramatic decline during World War II, dropping from more than 9 million in 1940 to 7.7 million in 1951.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Belarus

    Whereas the sodomite capitalism of the West brought nothing but ruin and misery after the Easterners had sold out their Socialist countries for a can of Pepsi-Cola.

    About 1.7 million people have left the new federal states (the East) since the fall of the Berlin Wall, or 12% of the population;[26] a disproportionately high number of them were women under 35.[27]

    After 1990, the total fertility rate (TFR) in the East dropped to 0.772 in 1994. This has been attributed to a “demographic shock”: people not only had fewer children, they were also less likely to marry or divorce after the end of the GDR; the biographic options of the citizens of the former GDR had increased. Young motherhood seemed to be less attractive and the age of the first birth rose sharply.[24]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Germany

    • Troll: Rurik
  251. Saggy says: • Website
    @Saggy

    Note to moderator: The (temporary) solution is to just print the link, and don’t try to embed the vid.

  252. Saggy says: • Website
    @melpol

    Poor rag picking or chicken plucking Jews never annoyed Hitler, it was the high achievers.

    You didn’t watch the vid. Had you watched it, you’d know that the Jews described by the rabbi are high achieving Jews in the Soviet Union who happened to be mass murderers … e.g. Stalin’s Jews
    https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

    We mustn’t forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish

  253. snag says:

    Mr. Shamir …

    I would like to highlight a fact that prior to Poland’s partition in 1772 the Jews didn’t own real estate property in Poland or in Europe for that matter and after WWI in restored Poland the Poles owned the streets and the Jews what’s on it.

    During 147 years of Poland’s partition especially in Russian occupied territory the Jews acquired a real estate and often with names of Polish owners exiled to Siberia for organizing resistance and uprisings as a reward for snitching to Okhrana (tsar’s KGB) or buying it for pennies from occupants that knew that sooner or later they’ll have to leave.  

    In any country any transaction with an occupant after the liberation would be null and void and those who collaborated with an occupant would be dangling from the nearest tree branches instead profiteering of treason.

  254. Truth3 says:
    @Just passing through

    They cannot even find 0.001% of the remains of the sacred 6 million…

    I guess if they ever find ANY, they will need to check for circumcision scars to prove they are not part of the 5 million.

  255. Mark Gobell says: • Website
    @AnonFromTN

    AnonFromTN says: :

    “If you listen to Wally or other Hitler fanboys/girls here, nobody was murdered in that camp. People died exclusively from natural causes, while nice German doctors did their best to prevent that.

    That’s why it is hard to take them (and other volunteers at revising the history) seriously. Lots of Jews, Soviet POWs, Poles, and even Germans were murdered at Auschwitz.
    …”

    Holocaust Handbooks, Volume 33:
    Healthcare in Auschwitz—Medical Care and Special Treatment of Registered Inmates
    by Carlo Mattogno
    https://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=33

    See also :

    Auschwitz prisoner category totals & deaths from all causes – January 1942 to January 1943

    Bletchley Park Concentration Camp Decodes
    http://whatreallyhappened.info/decrypts/ww2decrypts.html

    MG

  256. snag says:
    @utu

    ““Joseph Stalin was right to order the murder in Katyn” – January 20, 2020, Yevgeny Satanovsky”

    Coincidently the names on the motion to Stalin to eliminate potential Polish resistance happen to be Jewish or goyim with Jewish spouses – The architects and executioners Kaganovich and Voroshilov were Jews and the others like Molotov, Mikoyan and Kalinin happen to have Jewish spouses including Stalin.

    Stalin signed so many orders every day that there’s possibility that he didn’t know what he was signing.

  257. snag says:

    “Russians were always rather good and tolerant to Jews”

    … yeah right … and that’s why the tsars didn’t let them dwell in the Russian cities or kicked them out of Russia to occupied Poland, during Poland’s partition?*

    *Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn “Two Hundred Years Together”

  258. @Adûnâi

    I recognize from your “Adûnâi”, that you are a Jew. I am an American and a Jew, just not a criminal Jew, and I try not to waste my time with the criminally insane.

    Anti-Semitism and anti-Nazism are essentially the same, opposition to the criminality of exceptionalist cults.

    I’m an anti-Semite, but a good anti-Semite. That is, I continually advocate for the Jews to give up their criminal ways, for their own sake. But as long as they don’t, I can only advocate for them being held accountable.

    I don’t know if you’re just young and misinformed or a tribal myth believer, or just stupidly obstinate. whatever, doesn’t matter.

    Here’s some material to help you get your head straight:

    http://www.mapsofwar.com/ind/imperial-history.html

    https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/mod/1898twain-jews.asp

    https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/document/mideast/hidden/index.htm

    https://www.ihr.org/jhr/v06/v06p389_John.html

    It’s the truth or the ovens, your choice.

    • Replies: @Adûnâi
  259. @israel shamir

    Thank you for your persistence in dealing with my concern.

    Not only Nazis but some, and probably many, French and Germans as well as others well before the French Revolution believed Jews were not their countrymen.

    I agree that many people entertain such ideas today. Change Jews to Zionists and I may be among them.

    But that is not the question I have asked you.

    You stated in post # 42 that the negatve views of Jews we are discussing persisted “… till Nazi rise.”

    I asked in effect why the Nazis would do anything but approve of such views.

    For the record, I believe McCaul proves in The Talmud Tested that Talmudism is not a Mosaic religion.

  260. @Nonny Mouse

    A bit of clarification: You write “… you think extermination of the Jews is a good idea … ”

    That’s not what I meant. I don’t advocate the extermination of the Jews, but rather their rehabilitation.

    What I meant was that when a group, as a group, betrays their host country, in particular, betrays their host country in an existential way, in a time of war siding with a foreign enemy at war with their host country, then, when the host country answers that betrayal by a program of genocidal extermination … well, that response is logical, proportional, and just.

    The Jews are historic over-achievers who have made out-sized contributions to the advancement of human civilization. In that sense they are a gift to all of humanity. That does not however give them a free pass for crimes small and large.

    Germany gave the Jews everything they ever wanted, and was rewarded by betrayal at a moment of existential peril. The Zionists made a deal with the Brits to bring the US into WW1 against Germany, in return for the Brits giving them Palestine. The Zionists thus caused the Germans to be defeated in WW1 and humiliated, and robbed at Versailles. The Zionists got Palestine, while European Jewry got Holocausted. Life’s a bitch, as is truth.

    No, my attitude is the Jews have to stop f*cking everyone who isn’t a Jew, and stop justifying it with “They hate us and want to kill us, so it’s only right that we “defend ourselves” by f*cking them first, and after that whenever the opportunity presents itself.” Then the world will love them — or at least not hate them and want to kill them all — for all the good they do.

    It’s also absolutely vital to add that it’s the psychopaths at the top of the Jewish tribal hierarchy — as with all tribe/nation/religion/group hierarchies led by psychopaths — … the psychopaths that commit the crimes, more often than not escape accountability, while the lower orders, who do all the work advancing civilization, are the ones who suffer for the crimes of the leadership class.

    • Replies: @Bookish1
  261. Robjil says:
    @Bookish1

    The fire bombing of civilians is an Amalek style of warfare. Amalek warfare on civilians has only been done on an large scale since Jewish Advisors have been in control of the west and Communist nations in the east. In WWII Germany and Japan, civilians were attacked in many cities in an Amalek style. France and Italy got some too.

    ZUS media goes crazy over fake “chemical bombing” of civilians. Yet, ZUS has practiced Amalek attacks on civilians for a long time in warfare. Mad Albright callously said 500000 Iraqi children dying because of ZUS sanctions as being OK. This is a classic example of Amalek warfare against civilians. Yet, our “free” ZUS press gives her a free pass. I guess Zion Macht Frei is the motto of our time.

    https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/3942715/jewish/Who-Was-Amalek-and-the-Amalekites.htm

    The Torah lists two mitzvahs regarding Amalek:

    To obliterate the nation of Amalek (timcheh et zecher Amalek).
    To never forget the evil deeds Amalek did (zechor al tishkach).9

    The mitzvah to destroy Amalek implies that no trace of Amalek’s existence could be left.10 “Nothing,” explain the sages, “could serve as a reminder of Amalek’s name—not even an animal about which it could be said, ‘This animal belonged to Amalek.’”11

    Here is quote from the Torah about this.

    https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/ask-the-expert-blotting-out-amalek/

    Answer: The Torah tells us to remember the nation of Amalek that attacked the Israelites after they left Egypt. Specifically, we are told to “blot out the memory of Amalek from under heaven” (Deut 25:19). Traditionally, this was understood — in a morally complicated way — to mean that Jews had an obligation to kill all Amalekites: men, women, and children.

    https://www.mdpi.com/2077-1444/8/9/196/htm

    The lack of empathy for civilians in ZUS warfare all stems from this Amalek concept.

    Over the course of Jewish history, Amalek has served as the symbolic enemy of the Jewish people (e.g., Armenians, Nazis, Palestinians); indeed, all of the enemies of the Jews were and are understood to be descendants of the original Amalekites, and thus worthy not only of enmity but of destruction as well (e.g., Haman, Antiochus, Titus, Hadrian, Torquemada, Khmelnitsky, Hitler).

    Palestinians are not treated very well because of this Amalek concept in Judaism.

    Today, many of those in Israel allied with the so-called “settler movement” associated with right-of-center Orthodox Judaism and located among populations primarily of Palestinian Muslims, and Arabs view them as the descendants of Amalek as well, and thus sanction and legitimate their own at times violent actions and behaviors. At its most transparent level, responding to Amalek is a response to antisemitism, both historical and contemporary.

  262. Wally says:
    @AnonFromTN

    – Cool, then go ahead and name some “witnesses”, tell us what they claim in their own words, when, where, & how. It’s OK, go for it.
    I remind you that there are more “witnesses” to witchcraft than your beloved & impossible “holocaust”.

    – It is you who is in denial of science and rational thought. Please, no strawmen with such hackneyed “2 + 2 = 5” silliness.

    – And of course the claimed human remains do not exist and the alleged gas chambers were scientifically impossible. Those basic facts do the job without breaking a sweat.

    – I remind you that ALL Revisionists are former True Believers.
    Like you, we were all mislead at one time.

    – And for heaven’s sake,why don’t you read the Revisionist articles at this site, such as “American Pravda: Holocaust Denial, by Ron Unz.

  263. @israel shamir

    It was the German rabbis who insisted that the Jews were a separate race, as they always do. That’s what “Jew” means. Hitler was persuaded therefore that the Jews were not of the German race and so not Germans. They lost their German citizenship because of that.

  264. @Popeye

    Timeline demonstrates that you’ve got it exactly backward:

    Nazis Jew bashers caused Jews to call for help.

    German Jews BEGGED Jews in USA to back off, stop interfering and stop incitements.
    Rabbi Stephen Wise wrote in his autobiography that he stopped reading the letters from German Jews who pleaded with his to stop his provocations; Wise said those Jews were “brainwashed.”

    Powerful Jews in NYC and London turned against the notorious Jew-hating leader.

    This one’s true; there’s abundant evidence that NYC (actually, USAian) Jews began vilification of Hitler and Nazis within 2 weeks of his appointment to chancellorship.
    The question is, WHY?
    Richard Breitman and Allen Lichtman had unique access to the “German archive” — the treasure trove of German documents — tons of them — that primarily Jewish spies had taken from Germany and stored in Alexandria, VA, until the mid-to- late 1950s when another group of Jews under direction of Gerhard Weinberg sorted the documents, copied them, and sent originals back to Germany. The copies were housed in US National Archives; the Jew Robert Wolfe was director of the German Archive at National Archive from its inception until just a few years ago. He could and did control access to and cataloguing of the docs. Breitman & Lichtman were favored by Wolfe.
    In their book, FDR and the Jews, Breitman & Lichtman wrote that “after a brief period while power was consolidated, Nazis quelled physical violence against Jews in Germany. . . . No Jew was put in concentration camp until after Nov. 9, 1938” — so-called Kristallnacht, which some of the more rabid professors of Holocaustism such as New York University’s David Engel call “the beginning of the holocaust.”

    Over that 5-years period when German Jews were NOT physically harmed; and were NOT detained in concentration camps, Jews in USA engaged in vast number of provocations of the German government and people, beginning with the declaration of economic war against Germany, depicted above, in mid-March 1933; the May, 1933 publication of Swastika, by James Waterman Wise, son of Rabbi Stephen Wise; numerous mass rallies in Madison Square Garden, underwritten by wealthy Jews from all over USA; anti-German marches in New York City & elsewhere; mock trials of the German government and its diplomatic corp in USA — the German government protested against these defamations of their state and government, but US government agents dismissed their protests. etc etc etc

    Why did American and British Jews do these things? They did it to foment mass discontent in order to topple a government that sought its own sovereignty — something Chosenite American & British Jews , esp. bankers, could not tolerate. So they sowed conflict & division — sound familiar?
    Same system being carried out against Iran and also against American citizens.

    If Hitler didn’t abuse Jews and their high achievers the great war might have never began.

    Jews lived in German territory since 700, peacefully, securely, and in middle-class or lesser prosperity.
    Upon German unification in 1871, and in the situation that Poland was politically & economically backward and overrun with Jews whose reproductive rate surpassed every other European region, Jews flocked to prosperous and industrially developed Germany by the tens of thousands.
    Jews from Russia, awake to secular education for the first time in their entire European sojourn, poured into German and Viennese universities.
    NOTA BENE: Germans created the industry, prosperity and universities that Jews clamored to participate in. It was GERMAN institutions and habits that enabled Jews to become “high achievers,” and not the other way around. Germany did not need “high achieving Jews;” Jews needed German institutions to advance on the ladder of achievement.
    Get over yourself.

    • Replies: @ivan
  265. geokat62 says:
    @Jeff Davis

    Great comment, Jeff.

    Two of my favourite quotes:

    this in-your-face supremacist violence is a direct path — yet again — to suicide-by-Goy

    I am not a Holocaust denier. I am a Holocaust supporter.

    You need to trademark them!

  266. Dube says:

    Gratitude is not a strong feature of the Polish national character: …

    Mr. Shamir could have added the lapse in gratitude for neighbors who volunteered to put on red armbands and fill administrative positions vacated by the Poles who took free train rides to the east.

  267. Karel says:
    @chris

    “Masaryk never mentioned this!”

    Amusing. I guess that Masaryk assumed that Wilson should, as one of the major protagonists at Versaille, have known the facts . The Germans signatories of the treaty, Hermann Müller, the new Minister for Foreign Affairs and Johannes Bell, the Minister for Transport, should have told him about the existence of those unfortunate Germans in Czechoslovakia, but perhaps they did not know it either.

    • Agree: Oscar Peterson
    • Replies: @refl
  268. @Popeye

    I’d say the primary reason to firebomb Dresden was to destroy German morale, for civilian and military alike. And other cities would follow

    Dresden was bombed Valentine’s Day 1945 — quite late in the war (Germany surrendered May 7, 1945). It was the tail-end of the “morale-bombing,” not the beginning.

    By that time, over a hundred German cities had already been reduced to rubble and at least 7 million German civilians “de-housed.” — (THINK: where did those 7 million go? Were they among the dead in concentration camps? What marker determines without a doubt the ethnicity of those horrible corpses that have been exploited to hype holocaustism?)

    US Air Force, Standard Oil, and members of the Bauhaus group of Jewish architects, chief among them Eric Mendelsohn, began in 1942 to plan, design, test and rehearse methods of creating firestorms that would incinerate the specific types of housing where German (and Japanese) working-class civilians lived.

    Jörg Friedrich’s The Fire: The Bombing of Germany, 1940-1945 covers the topic comprehensively.

    C-Span recorded his appearance at Politics & Prose in Washington, DC in 2007
    https://www.c-span.org/video/?196223-1/the-fire-bombing-germany-1940-1945

  269. Fox says:
    @Popeye

    At the time Dresden was destroyed 13th of February 1945) , Munich had already been repeatedly bombed, the Lindemann-plan objective being to destroy all German cities with more than 50000 inhabitants. Thank the gods that Hitler declared both Rome and Paris Open Cities, otherwise Churchill and Roosevelt would have had them saturation-bombed as well.
    Sure they wanted to destroy the morale of children, women and old people, as well as of the sick in the hospitals, so they committed an absolutely appalling act of wanton destruction at a time when their victory was virtually assured. And they can’t even be honest about it, Churchill attempted to weasle out of his responsibility as soon as the extent of the slaughter became public. 250000 dead were counted until the nineties, when this number was reduced through political pressure to “no more than 25000”.
    Another anniversary is coming up on the 30th of January, the day of the sinking of the hospital ship Wilhelm Gustloff, full of refugees from East Prussia and wounded soldiers, sunk by torpedo from a Russian submarine in the Baltic Sea off the harbor of Danzig. The death toll is nearly 10000, making it the largest maritime disaster of all time.

    • Replies: @asmonteiro
  270. anaccount says:

    Folks in Eastern Europe better bury the hatchet and start thinking regionally. Is there not an alliance of national-populist parties in Eastern Europe? If not, why not? If not now, when?

    It also wouldn’t hurt to reconsider your relationship with Russia. Start considering what a real friend is and whether your friend America is actually even America anymore (it isn’t).

    I have a lot of advice, an annoying American trait but I don’t want to see your beautiful nations sink into the same globo-homo abyss that mine has. I want your unique and highly advanced cultures to be here in 1000 years because mine won’t be.

    You still have a chance.

  271. but Jews have their own calculations and interests.

    The Jew is not capable of patriotism, not even towards Israel. When granted land for the creation of their own nation, they quickly embibed it with traits innate to the Jewish psche.

    the Jew is a peculiar sub-species of human, a group that carries in it’s DNA several abberant genes: one specific for paranoia, another for insatiable greed, another that prevents the host from feeling full and satisfied, another for narcissim, and another that prohibits or blocks empathy and introspection, and another that tells them they’re somehow different.

    the world is getting tired of their duplicity; pretendending to be kind and honorable on the outside, but cold and calculating on the inside.

    There’s enough evidence available to convict the Jew of creating WW1, and 2. They owe the world reparations.

  272. No country in Europe is as prone to self-destruction as the Poles. Their hatred of all things Russian has condemned them to doing one stupid thing after the other without ever realising that they are not competitors with old imperial ambitions, but also, brother Slavs one of whom save the Polish nation in modern times. The Poles are like the proverbial person that Churchill described, the one who stumbles upon the truth, but picks himself up and carries on as if nothing ever happened.

  273. ivan says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    VFR Jones, the famous British wartime scientist and engineer, wrote to the effect that Establishment in Britain underestimated the Germans when the V1 and V2 rockets were raining on London, thinking that they were dependent on their Jewish element for their scientific and engineering prowess. In point of fact the Germans owed nothing to the Jews in spite of the obligatory references to Einstein’s tribe in many accounts of German capabilities.

    It is now clear that even in fields such as radar the Germans were ahead in many aspects compared to the Allies, and they had no equal in their submarine, chemical or rocket technology. The Germans just happen to be very good in everything they put their mind to as their football record shows.

    • Replies: @Avery
  274. nickels says:
    @Alternate History

    No country in Europe is as prone to self-destruction as the Poles

    There are the Czech’s.

  275. Anon[186] • Disclaimer says:

    Straight from the Horse’s Mouth “The Israeli Holocaust Museum there is NO Physical Evidence of the Holocaust”. In the process explains the reason as to why the Vistula River in Poland is polluted and NOT Navigable Post World War II. http://www.renegadetribune.com/israeli-holocaust-museum-theres-no-physical-evidence-of-the-holocaust/https://www.bitchute.com/video/RIks1sxQ19Xl/

  276. Erebus says:
    @refl

    Please don’t make a fool of yourself.

    Your pleas will fall on deaf ears, and in any case are too little, too late for any good they might have done.

  277. Mikhail says: • Website

    On this particular matter, Russia is at an advantage on account of having more Jews actively participating in various aspects of their society when compared to Polska.

    Keeping in mind that not all former USSR Jews spin like J. Ioffe and Gessen. The latter get more Western mass media attention, which in turn leads some to having false impressions. Much like the situation with PC Ukrainians getting preference over those Ukes having a pro-Russian outlook.

  278. tango37 says:
    @Alternate History

    Not so. I know that many, if not most Poles, greatly admire Russian culture (music, literature, etc. ) and get along just fine with educated Russians on an individual basis. My father was shipped out from Volhynia in 1939 to Siberia for slave labour and then in 1941 forcibly inducted into the Red Army . Naturally , he vehemently hated Commie scum but he had nothing against Russians or Russia per se. In fact, he spoke Russian fluently and had many Russian friends in Canada. He drove us all crazy perpetually listening to the Red Army chorus.
    Yes indeed, the Red Plague saved Poland.
    “We are waiting for you, red plague… you will be salvation welcomed with revulsion… we are waiting for you, our eternal enemy… bloody murderer of so many of our brethren…. Your red, victorious army has been lying at the bright feet of burning Warsaw and is feeding its soul with bloody pain of a handful of madmen who are dying in the ruins.”

  279. Dube says:
    @Alternate History

    Mitya filled the glasses.
    “To Russia!” he shouted again. Grushenka tossed off her glass at once.
    The Poles did not touch theirs.
    “How’s this, Panovie?” cried Mitya. “Won’t you drink?”
    Pan Vrublevsky* raised his glass and said: “To Russia before 1772.”
    “Come, that’s better!” cried the other Pole, and they emptied their glasses.

    And now, Alternate History, your cab is waiting. Please come back tomorrow.

    *Wroblewski, of course.

  280. @Alternate History

    In that, they differ not from Germans.

    Where they differ is that they can afford this attitude even less than Germans.

  281. Adûnâi says:
    @Jeff Davis

    “I recognize from your “Adûnâi”, that you are a Jew.”

    FFS, can you stop misreading my nickname? It’s U, not O, in the middle. From Tolkien’s legendarium. An allusion to Mitteleuropa, or between America and Russia.

    http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Adûnaic

    “Anti-Semitism and anti-Nazism are essentially the same, opposition to the criminality of exceptionalist cults.”

    So, are you the same as the quacks on aryanism.net? Are you hating Jews because they want to kill all non-Jews? Are you the same as Christians who want to impose their rot on everybody, so that we all become equal in death?

    • Replies: @Robjil
    , @Jeff Davis
  282. Adûnâi says:
    @Alternate History

    “No country in Europe is as prone to self-destruction as the Poles. Their hatred of all things Russian has condemned them”

    Russia is a melting pot of Tartars and Caucasian Negroes. Russia is murdering the Russian people first and foremost. Hating Russia is a decent idea.

    …too bad when Slavs hate Russia, it’s all for the wrong reasons. I can’t speak for the Poles’ rationales, but Ukrainians despise everything good in Russia such as the remains of their racist thinking.

    Still, even the vestiges of Russian self-consciousness look more like Black Israelism or Christian Identity. On YouTube, those anti-semitic and anti-capitalist videos get hundreds of thousands of views that also parrot inane nonsense about “Great Tartary” founded by Aryan extraterrestrials.

    Probably the same as the Polish denial of the fact that their lands had been inhabited by Burgundians and Vandals before the Slavs came. Or the Belarussian claim that they were dominant in the GD of Lithuania.

    What even is worse – this “pro-White” insanity or the clear honest death wish among Western liberals?

    • Replies: @Avery
  283. ivan says:
    @Alternate History

    It is more accurate to say that no other country in Europe survived the depredations of neighbours like the Poles did. There were numerous countries in Europe that did not make it . The Poles did and are hated for it. They saved the West from the Saracens. They took the hammer blows of the Mongols, yet our Teutonic Knights had no other job but to stab them in the back as they usually do. Same goes for the Russkies, from the days of horse-fucking Catherine onwards. Something to do with their Catholicism I guess.

  284. Z-man says:

    Interesting observation I made this morning.
    All the American networks led with ‘Impeachment’ or wild fires, accidents and other stories at 7 AM but the BBC was harping on the 75th Anniversary of ‘Holocaust at Auschwitz” where all the world leaders are bowing in reverence to the power of the Jew at Yad ‘shem’ in Izrael.
    Man, Britain is really cooked!

  285. Robjil says:
    @Adûnâi

    This is the reason that many posters think your name is a Jewish theme. Adonai means the hand upon the throne of the lord (Yahweh). In this Exodus passage, the name Adonai calls for endless wars against Amaleks wherever they pop up at any time in history.

    https://www.sefaria.org/Exodus.17.13-14?lang=bi&with=all&lang2=en

    And Joshua overwhelmed the people of Amalek with the sword.

    וַיֹּ֨אמֶר יְהוָ֜ה אֶל־מֹשֶׁ֗ה כְּתֹ֨ב זֹ֤את זִכָּרוֹן֙ בַּסֵּ֔פֶר וְשִׂ֖ים בְּאָזְנֵ֣י יְהוֹשֻׁ֑עַ כִּֽי־מָחֹ֤ה אֶמְחֶה֙ אֶת־זֵ֣כֶר עֲמָלֵ֔ק מִתַּ֖חַת הַשָּׁמָֽיִם׃

    Then the LORD said to Moses, “Inscribe this in a document as a reminder, and read it aloud to Joshua: I will utterly blot out the memory of Amalek from under heaven!”

    וַיִּ֥בֶן מֹשֶׁ֖ה מִזְבֵּ֑חַ וַיִּקְרָ֥א שְׁמ֖וֹ יְהוָ֥ה ׀ נִסִּֽי׃

    And Moses built an altar and named it Adonai-nissi.

    וַיֹּ֗אמֶר כִּֽי־יָד֙ עַל־כֵּ֣ס יָ֔הּ מִלְחָמָ֥ה לַיהוָ֖ה בַּֽעֲמָלֵ֑ק מִדֹּ֖ר דֹּֽר׃ (פ)

    He said, “It means, ‘Hand upon the throne of the LORD!’ The LORD will be at war with Amalek throughout the ages.”

    This Amalek type of warfare has been practiced on a large scale since Jewish Advisors took over the west and the east with communism since 12.23. 1913.

    https://www.mdpi.com/2077-1444/8/9/196/htm

    Twice in the Hebrew Bible—Exodus 17:14–16 and Deuteronomy 25: 17–19—the ancient Israelites were commanded to “blot out” the memory of Amalek, their enemy for all time (as God intended to do as well). Yet, because these texts are a part of Jewish (and Christian) religious traditions, annually these passages are read in the synagogue on the appropriate Sabbath occasions in the annual reading cycle, and linked to the Festival of Purim that is based on the Book of Esther. Over the course of Jewish history, Amalek has served as the symbolic enemy of the Jewish people (e.g., Armenians, Nazis, Palestinians); indeed, all of the enemies of the Jews were and are understood to be descendants of the original Amalekites, and thus worthy not only of enmity but of destruction as well (e.g., Haman, Antiochus, Titus, Hadrian, Torquemada, Khmelnitsky, Hitler).

  286. Bookish1 says:
    @Jeff Davis

    Name me some of those outsized jewish contributions to humanity. First of all jews dont even begin to compare with the contributions to humanity that white aryans have made. Secondly whatever the jews did contribute it was within the confines of white western civilization. Whites never needed jews for any of their so called outsized contributions. But to be realistic if you weigh what jews have contributed against all they have destroyed you know that Hitler was right. The west doesn’t need jews for anything. We would be much better off and freer without them. and we wouldn’t have all those jewish inspired wars.

  287. @chris

    Have to agree with Karel on this one.

    Wilson, representing one of the major Allied powers, should expect to rely on another head of state for detailed knowledge of the demographics of emerging European states? Pretty amusing, and it certainly does sound like the American and Wisonian cluelessness that were very much on display at the time.

    To your larger point, I wasn’t claiming that Czech leaders were not self-interested. No doubt it would have made sense on some level for the “Sudetenland” areas to become parts of Austria and Germany. But there is nothing, among the Czechoslovak leaders, to compare to the grandiosity of Polish ambitions coming out of WW I.

    Their conception of an anti-Soviet (Russian) cordon sanitaire under Polish domination consisting of Finland, the Baltic States, Belarus, western Ukraine, and Romania was way over the top. And in pursuit of it, the Poles immediately invaded Ukraine, going all the way to Kiev, to compel membership in this “alliance.” This little-known Polish-Ukrainian War starting in 1919 led to the much better known Russo-Polish War of 1920, a disaster for the Poles except for their final victory at Warsaw.

    Granted, Poland’s strategic environment at the end of WW I was much more complex and threatening than Czechoslovakia’s, but it’s not hard to see why the Allies were so exasperated with the Polish leadership.

    • Replies: @Karel
    , @Adûnâi
  288. @A123

    “Alas, the clickbait headline phenomena can be seen everywhere.”

    The immediate problem with your hypothesis–if we can dignify it as such–is that there is nothing remotely clickbaity about any of the article titles from the Israeli media. They merely observe what anyone with common sense understands, i.e., that Poland is being pressured by the US Congress, whose members are in turn being pressured by our disloyal, conniving Jews.

    Your attempt to dismiss the pressure being put on Poland because it is not as wildly aggressive as that on Iran is absolutely ludicrous.

    The obvious difference, of course, is that international Jewry wants the Iranian government destroyed and replaced with a puppet state, whereas they only want to extort money from the Polish government. The former objective is satanic, while the latter is merely vampiric. Shylock is certainly flexible in pursuit of what he deems to be “good for the Jews”!

    The bottom line, in any case, is that the two examples, taken together, showcase the relentless repulsiveness of global Jewry.

    • Replies: @A123
  289. @Fox

    Next time don’t forget the full story:

    As Wilhelm Gustloff had been fitted with anti-aircraft guns, and the Germans, in obedience to the rules of war, did not mark her as a hospital ship, no notification of her operating in a hospital capacity had been given and, as she was transporting military personnel, she did not have any protection as a hospital ship under international accords.

    • Replies: @Fox
    , @Carolyn Yeager
  290. Avery says:
    @ivan

    { The Germans just happen to be very good in everything}

    Except winning the wars they started?

    Maybe Germans are just too good, too smart, and they overestimate themselves and become arrogant?

    Ex: The Tiger tank was an engineering marvel. There was noting like it in WW2. It could destroy enemy tanks at distances that were well beyond effective range of the enemy tank guns.
    Yet, in typical German fashion, it was so over engineered, that Germans could build only something like 3,000. While US and SU manufactured and deployed 10s of 1,000s of “primitive” Shermans and T-34s (respectively).

    • Replies: @Wally
  291. Avery says:
    @Adûnâi

    {Caucasian Negroes.}

    What’s that?

    The guy that classified the 3 major racial groups – Caucasian/Caucasoid, Negro/Negroid, Mongoloid – based the classification ‘Caucasian’ on his study of people of the Caucasus, specifically what is today the Republic of Georgia. The structure of the skull, the nose, lips, eyes, etc.
    The original inhabitants* of Caucasus region are the archetype of all the variants of “White” people.

    There are no Negroes in Caucasus.
    And the percentage of genes/blood of people from Caucasus in the vast ocean of ethnic Russians is insignificant. Russian Empire did expand Southwards to incorporate Caucasus, but there was little mixing of peoples (except, perhaps in the _stans, in the East (e.g. Khazakhstan))

    __________________________
    * i.e. NOT the ad-mixture of nomad Turk tribes that invaded Caucasus from East and Central Asia (Uyguristan) some centuries ago.

  292. Karel says:
    @Oscar Peterson

    I agree in part with your statement that

    “Granted, Poland’s strategic environment at the end of WW I was much more complex and threatening than Czechoslovakia’s, but it’s not hard to see why the Allies were so exasperated with the Polish leadership.”

    except that there was nothing threatening in Czech demands, unless some fans of ever greater Germany were convinced that Germany, after loosing the war, should have been awarded with more land of the disintegrated Habsburg emire. There are lot of irredentist fools who believe it even today.

    • Replies: @Oscar Peterson
  293. @Alternate History

    To be comprehensive, you should mention that Poles have the same visceral hatred of everything German, as well. If there were a competition of loser nations, Poles would take the third place (after Kurds and Ukrainians). For centuries Poland enraged its two powerful neighbors, Germany and Russia, and was divided between them in response. They are doing it now in the hopes that the US will protect them. False hope again: the US will protect them exactly like Britain and France protected them in 1939.

    It is said that fools learn from their own mistakes, whereas smart people learn from the mistakes of fools. I wonder, what would you call people who don’t learn even from their own mistakes?

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  294. @Nonny Mouse

    Exactly my point. The Jews have always been, and continue to be, their own “existential threat”.

  295. A123 says:
    @Oscar Peterson

    Your attempt to dismiss the pressure being put on Poland because it is not as wildly aggressive as that on Iran is absolutely ludicrous.

    The law has been in effect over a year. Where is your ‘pressure’ report attempting to compel Polish leadership into some sort of obedience? You probably cannot find it because there is no story there.

    Your histrionic exaggeration trying to magnify a negligible (almost nonexistent) pressure into some sort of threat is extremely ridiculous.

    PEACE 😇
    _______

    P.S. Thread length is now creating rendering issues on my device, so this will likely be my last post under this heading.

    • Replies: @Oscar Peterson
  296. @Adûnâi

    “FFS, can you stop misreading my nickname?”

    Fair enough. So are you, or are you not, a Jew?

    Are you defending their criminal history out of tribal loyalty or just sheer stupidity?

    • Replies: @Adûnâi
  297. @Karel

    Just to be clear, I wasn’t talking about Czech (or Polish) “demands” when I used the word “threatening.” I was comparing the strategic environments in which the two new states found themselves at the end of WW I.

    • Replies: @Karel
  298. @A123

    “The law has been in effect over a year. Where is your ‘pressure’ report attempting to compel Polish leadership into some sort of obedience? You probably cannot find it because there is no story there.”

    Well, let’s first ask this question: If this were not meant to pressure Poland, then why did the US Congress go to the bother of passing it, since it has clearly had an irritating effect on Poles?

    Do you not understand the concept of graduated pressure? After all, the US has been pressuring Iran to submit on a range of issues for decades and has not yet been successful, but does that mean that pressure has not been applied? Of course not. We see that when a certain level of pressure fails to compel Iran to accept Jew demands, then a higher level of pressure is applied. It’s no different in principle with Poland.

    The message from Jew-occupied Capitol Hill to Poland is “You can do this with just a warning from us, or things can get more difficult for you.” Because you know our rapacious Jews won’t be satisfied until their insatiable demands are met.

  299. Karel says:
    @Oscar Peterson

    OK, I misunderstood. My apology.

    • Replies: @Oscar Peterson
  300. snag says:

    “the Polish government”

    Not Polish Mr Shamir, not Polish ,…

    This $300 Billion shake down it’s nothing new. In 2006 this so called ‘polish’ government, read a bunch of closet Jews* with nice Polish names had a ready to sign agreement prepared in secret behind the nation’s back that didn’t work because someone found out and made it public.

    https://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/news/delay-in-polish-restitution-likely-after-resignation-of-minister

    * Prime Minister J. Kaczynski, Secretary of ‘polish’ MSZ (State Department) K. Marcinkiewicz and ‘polish’ Ambassador to US, R. Schnepf … all closet Jews.

  301. anon[186] • Disclaimer says:

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  302. refl says:
    @Karel

    Amusing. I guess that Masaryk assumed that Wilson should, as one of the major protagonists at Versaille, have known the facts . The Germans signatories of the treaty, Hermann Müller, the new Minister for Foreign Affairs and Johannes Bell, the Minister for Transport, should have told him about the existence of those unfortunate Germans in Czechoslovakia, but perhaps they did not know it either.

    OMG – If you ever should have read anything about the Versailles conference, you should know that the German party was not even allowed into the conference room and had no access to the mayor participants. Wilson came to the conference not knowing anything about European affairs.
    One of the mayor – liberal – German historians of the era, Ernst Troeltsch, called the months leading up to when the Germans received the treaty that they were to sign under duress the ‘armistice wonderland’.
    Believing in the idea of self-government of the people, the ethnic Germans expected justice for themselves at the hand of the American president who was recieved in Europe by all peoples as the harbinger of peace. The Germans had rid themselves of the Kaiser, as Wilson demanded. They had driven out all their feudal Lords, who had ruled their countries for a thousand years, and who were for their larger part loved by their local populations. Many were quite willing to concede that Willhelm II had been a fool. The Austrians had driven out their Emperor, who had been the symbol of German Christian Europe for 1000 years. And so they were expecting something that never was in the cards.

    From your writing I see that you are quite negative of Germans. I have only recently returned from the Sudeten that I have visited for the first time in my life and where Sudeten Germans probably were the original settlers in many parts. It looks no different from the Black forest, only that the once populated mountains have virtually been emptied out.
    I was quite pleased to find that the local Czech community has been working on the history of their once German communities, with ancient photography, searching for the former inhabitants and everything. The resulting periodical comes out as a quarterly, and 90% of the copies are written in Czech, so it is by no means anything they do just to please German tourists.

    I only put this here for you to ponder if you are giving your people a bad name.

    • Replies: @Karel
  303. Wally says:
    @Avery

    said:
    “Except winning the wars they started? ”

    You’re a funny guy.

    recommended :
    The Soviet Union Conspired [with FDR] to Foment World War II and Infiltrate the U.S. Government: By John Wear https://codoh.com/library/document/6807/?lang=en

    and from https://www.unz.com:

    Roosevelt Conspired to Start World War II in Europe
    https://www.unz.com/article/roosevelt-conspired-to-start-world-war-ii-in-europe/
    Germany Did Not Start World War II, by Paul Craig Roberts:
    https://www.unz.com/proberts/germany-did-not-start-world-war-ii/
    Why Germany Invaded Poland:
    https://www.unz.com/article/why-germany-invaded-poland/

  304. Anon[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @snag

    In 1976 I was asked by a graduate student to accompany her to a private party that her thesis advisor was having for her students, staff and co-workers at her home in Warsaw..
    Towards the end of the evening when most of the people left the party the topic of conversation turned to the Jews in Poland. I remember she stated that starting with Boleslaw Bierut – Rotenschwanz that between 1944 to 1969 over 2.6 Million Polish Jews changed their ethnic identities and names to Polish,
    The files that were stored in the Polish State Archives that she personally came across while working at the Polish State Archives.

    She went on to state that the Jews that changed their names mostly relocated to western part of Poland vacated by the Germans.

    In the beginning I sort of thought that what she was somewhat inflating the total figure until now and upon reading the released CIA files from 1954 stating that “Jews can not leave Poland as there would be no one to run the country”.

    Also the CIA documents affirm that most of the Jews settled in Wroclaw and the western part of Poland.
    She remarked at the end of the discussion with” just imagine as to what would happen to me if the authorities learned that I am telling to you. I would be tried, shot on the spot or imprisoned or sent to Siberia.

    That is why to date all of Poland’s Presidents and Prime Ministers just happen to be ethnic Jews.
    Lech Walesa – Lejba Kohne “BOLEK”,
    Tadeusz Mazowiecki – Icek Dikman,
    Aleksander Kwasniewski – Izaak Stoltzman,
    Jaroslaw i Lech Kaczynski – Kalkstein and etc.

    Unofficially it is estimated that there over Four Million Jews are presently living in Poland.
    In addition the Primate of Poland Glemp as well as most of the Cardinals and Bishops and numerous priests were Jews.
    It turns out now that the so called Polish Pope John-Paul II had a Polish Father and a Jewish mother that makes him to be a Polish-Jewish Pope John Paul II or is it a Jewish-Polish Pope John-Paul II.

    – Prawdziwe nazwiska polskich gwiazd

    • Troll: utu
    • Replies: @anon
    , @snag
  305. @Oscar Peterson

    It’s interesting that there were very few Jews in Russia. That indicates that the East-European Jews were not of Khazar origin.

    • Replies: @Karel
  306. @AnonFromTN

    Maybe because Germans are Protestant, while Russians are Orthodox, and Polish are Catholics.

    • Replies: @yurivku
    , @AnonFromTN
  307. @anon

    That problem has nothing to do with UNZ. The problem is in your computer. Most probable error is that you do not have a correct date or time. But also it does happen if the site is overloaded.

  308. Dube says:

    Let’s inspect the terms of the secret protocol appending Molotov/Ribbentrop. It was an agreement for mutual assistance in the subjugation of occupied Poland.

    https://digitalarchive.wilsoncenter.org/document/110994.pdf?v=61e7656de6c925c23144a7f96330517d

    SECRET SUPPLEMENTARY PROTOCOL

    The undersigned plenipotentiaries, in concluding the Soviet-German treaty on the border and friendship, have stated their concurrence in the following:

    Neither side will permit on their territories any sort of Polish agitation affecting the territory of the other country. They (will) abort such agitation on their own territories and will inform each other as to effective measures to accomplish this.

    With the authorization of
    the Government of the USSR
    (signed) V. Molotov

    For the Government of Germany
    (signed) J. Ribbentrop

    Moscow, September 28, 1939. Archive of the Central Committee

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  309. yurivku says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Maybe because Germans are Protestant,

    more than half of Germans are Catholics. Try again.

  310. anon[160] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    This boilerplate has appeared before on Unz.

  311. Karel says:
    @refl

    As you say

    OMG – „If you ever should have read anything about the Versailles conference, you should know that the German party was not even allowed into the conference room and had no access to the mayor participants. Wilson came to the conference not knowing anything about European affairs.

    I was not around the Versailles conference, neither were you, nor the „liberal“ whatever that word means, Ernst Troeltsch. There is no complete record of who talked to whom, hence it is pointless to speculate of what was possible or not to say in the proverbial antechambre. If you are interested in this topic, I recommend reading T.C. Thomson, The peace conference day by day (New York 1920).

    It was probably a great loss to humanity that „The Germans had rid themselves of the Kaiser, as Wilson demanded.“ and „The Austrians had driven out their Emperor……“. Too little, too late. These two degenerates should have been hanged for destroing the lives of millions. Two of my great oncles were killed in the Great war and the crazies of Oberste Heeresleitung (German high command) only acceded to capitulate when in 1918 the starvation in Berlin became widespread cf. https://www.thelocal.de/20181105/what-led-to-the-german-collapse-in-wwi, for a brief description. One contributing factor for the capitulation was the fear of impending bolschevik revolution. My grandmother’s family almost died of hunger and you insinuate that they should somehow feel that the demise of the degenerate Habsburgs was a sufficient compensation for their years of misery? What a joke. Finally, you exagerate somewhat that the Habsburgs were symbols „for 1000 years“, please try to be more modest in your claims

    I am pleased that you visited the „Sudeten“ but I have no idea where you were. Sudetentland has never had any well-defined border and if you ignore the maps drawn by propagandists of Grossdeutschland in the nazi times, you may accept the general consensus that its original location was somewhere in the north Bohemian mountains.

    Unfortunately, rewriting history, fueled by foreign money and stupidity, is the new fashion. I am puzzled by your final statement „ I only put this here for you to ponder if you are giving your people a bad name.“ What do you mean by that? My impression is that you are just trying to spread a neo-nazi propaganda

    • Replies: @refl
  312. Karel says:
    @Nonny Mouse

    No, they came directly from Egypt. This explains the funny german they spoke, called Yiddish.

  313. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    About half of Germans, particularly in the South, are Catholics. Hitler disliked them even more than Protestants. But he generally disliked everyone who worshipped anything but him.

    • Replies: @Nonny Mouse
  314. @Dube

    You could have cited other fakes, as well, for good measure: these alleged protocols were faked many times.

    • Replies: @Dube
  315. Fox says:
    @asmonteiro

    The Wilhelm Gustloff became on September 22, 1939 a swimming field hospital (Lazarettschiff), a category that enjoys protection under the laws of warfare.
    I don’t know of any time when this designation would have been changed.
    This was not the only attack of the Allies on German hospital ships, hence I think it was the principle of maximal brutality combined with the mentality of Unconditional Surrender that guided the torpedoes and bombs.
    The victory the Allies achieved was total and will have made your life meaningless as well, as it did with everyone else’s who rejoiced in this millennial event of civilizational downfall which this war turned out to be. I fail to see the point in defending the methods in and outcome of a war that was willfully forced on Germany for a ridiculous reason of preventing a coming to terms between Germany and Poland over the decisions made at Versailles by a number of not very bright older men who were whetting their knives to take revenge on Germany – where the betrayal by Wilson is still vividly remembered to this day, by the way.

  316. Dube says:
    @AnonFromTN

    You could have cited other fakes, as well, for good measure: these alleged protocols were faked many times.

    That’s urgent info, AnonFromTN. Take that to the Four Corners of the World.

  317. bronek says:
    @utu

    Over 500,000 Polish (Polonian) Silesians served in the Wehrmacht. Over the decades I have spoken with families of these men in both German-American and Polonian-Am clubs.

    The opposing forces had an interesting history. Millions had been assimilated into each other’s culture. Two of Poland’s leading military figures are vastly interesting. The head of the Polish navy, Admiral Jozef Unrug, was a highly cultured individual of German background. Another individual, Gen. Juliusz Rommel, of Army Lodz, had been Polonized and believed that the Poles, an ancient European people, had every right to exist in their own independent state. When Admiral Jozef Unrug was incarcerated and asked to switch sides he not only refused, but refused to speak in the German language (his first vernacular). He also believed the Poles should not be occupied.

    • Replies: @snag
  318. bronek says:
    @Steve Naidamast

    Pilsudski’s wife was Jewish. Tad Rozwadowski was responsible for the victory over the Bolsheviks.

    From Forczyk’s recent book (but also common knowledge via bureaucratic documentation)-

    On May 23, 1939 Hitler met in the Reich Chancellery with his military elite. He explained his decision to strike Poland. He emphasized that “because of the state of Germany’s economy the country needed essential resources. Danzig is not the subject of the dispute it all. It was a question of expanding our living space in the east and of securing food supplies, of the settlement of the Baltic problem. We cannot expect a repetition of the Czech affair. There will be war…” (p. 126) On June 23 Goring convened a meeting to coordinate the total mobilization of manpower for the upcoming war. Some 35 leaders attended. (p. 127) Goebbels initiated his propaganda campaign. Poles became vilified. On August 11,1939 Ribbentrop told the Italian Foreign Minister, Ciano, Hitler didn’t want the Corridor or Danzig. “We want war.” (p. 132) The Wehrmacht was worried about a blockade. Hitler felt that the Soviet Union could obtain a loan and supply vital raw materials. (p. 133) Soon a treaty with Stalin elucidated matters oscillating around food and necessities. Hitler also had Polish speaking Germans infiltrate the country. (p. 136) Ukrainians were given German uniforms to act as diversionaries. On August 22, Hitler held a conference stressing the invasion would be August 26. At the last minute it was cancelled.

    • LOL: Wally
    • Replies: @snag
    , @SolontoCroesus
  319. snag says:
    @Anon

    A lot of truth in it, but … its not a secret in Poland. I suspect that the Pope’s name was added to put some doubt on the credibility of this list and the rest of the names on it.

    I know that this so called ‘polish’ president Kwasniewski’s father Izaak Stoltzman used to run a prison for Polish resistance fighters in Gdansk and concentration camp for AK prisoners no far away from my city, in central Pomerania.

    The lion share of the Jews that populated eastern part of Poland*** (more than 2 million) welcomed Soviet invaders in sep. 19. 1939 with a traditional bread and salt, the lists of Polish inteligencja and patriots to prevent any resistance on occupied by Soviets territory. Most of them never saw a German soldier but it doesn’t stop them to call themselves a holocaust survivors and serve as tool for holocaust industry.

    People on those lists including my grandfather in Lwow were arrested in the middle of the night and disappeared without a trace in places like Katyn or in Siberia’s gulags.

    *** Many of them mostly the commies went to NKVD reeducation camps and came back after war to Poland to run the Politburo, Security Apparatus and so called Justice System starting in state, regional and local administration. Stalin didn’t trust Polish commie apparatchiks.

  320. snag says:
    @bronek

    Majority of them forced to join not as volunteers. My sweetheart’s father was one of them, he was forced to join Wehrmacht and fought in Rommel army in Africa. After defeat he ended up as PO helping some widow on the farm in Eastern Washington State in US.

  321. snag says:
    @eah

    “the murder of Poles by the Russians at Katyn”

    Not Russians but the Jew infested NKVD, by Kaganowich and his hand picked Jewish goons to be precise. – Tens of millions of Russians were their victims just like the Poles, Ukrainians and other minorities in their commie paradise (sic) before and after WWII.

    Trotsky, Zinoviev, Kamenev, Kaganowich, Yagoda (Jews) were responsible for an artificially created famine (Holodomor) a genocide of 8 – 10 million starved to death Ukrainian farm owners during one winter 1932/33, they starved a whole segment of society because for who they were which according to zionist’s formula constitutes holocaust. Look at the efficiency (speed and cost) Nothing about it in MSM or history books and any attempt to put some light on it is dismissed as anti semitism.

    https://www.jta.org/2009/06/15/global/jewish-group-objects-to-great-famine-case

    • Agree: eah
  322. @AnonFromTN

    Hitler was an Austrian. The sect that grabbed the brand-name Catholic, the self-proclaimed ONLY Christian Church, over-ran Austria as much as it over-ran Poland. So Hitler was … was brought up …

  323. The Polish-German Non-Aggression Treaty of 1934 was preceded by the Polish-Soviet
    Non-Aggression Treaty of 1932; both were the realization of Pilsudski’s ‘balance’ policy, namely of keeping the equal distance both to the Soviets and Germany. Further, at that time there was nonthing really special about them, both were the creative extension of Briand-Kellog Pact of 1928, which secured only the borders of Western Europe.

    As is known, Adolf H. had special affinity for so-called ‘frontier soldiers’, which gave rise to his sympathy for Pilsudski. And yet that was an unrequited love. There was no pro-Nazi celebrations in Poland.

    However, it is true that the situation of Jews in Poland worsened after Pilsudski’s death. But there was no policy of cooperation with Germany in this area.

    As for Poland’s participation in Czechoslovakia partition in 1939, Beck was ready to turn around at the last moment in order to help Czechoslovakia, making it dependent only on a Western allies decision to intervene. The respective notes from the Polish Foreign Ministry to the French and British Embassies were being sent really until the last moment.
    Taking over Zaolzie are was then considered to have been ‘lesser evil’, when the greater evil already had not been staved off by British and French decisions.

    • Replies: @Karel
  324. Also, after WWII there were numerous conflicts and stand-offs between Polish and Czech armed forces for the spoils of German territory.
    The Soviets became arbiters.
    Most of the time, Stalin decided in favour of Poles as he had contempt for ‘cowardly’ Czechs.

    However, I don’t hear Czechs complaining about those post-WWII conflicts as much as about Zaolzie area in 1938.

  325. @Jon Halpenny

    Only Silesia can be considered as a fertile and well-endowed land. The rest were rather barren, and backward already in Germany (basically, there is a lot of sand there, but without oil, Saudi Arabia likewise). With huge tax arrears, Pomerania and Masuren were subsidizied by the Western and North Germany already in Kaiserreich.

  326. Karel says:
    @Another Polish Perspective

    I presume that you have some evidence for your claim that
    “As for Poland’s participation in Czechoslovakia partition in 1939, Beck was ready to turn around at the last moment in order to help Czechoslovakia, making it dependent only on a Western allies decision to intervene. The respective notes from the Polish Foreign Ministry to the French and British Embassies were being sent really until the last moment.”
    My suspicion is that you presenting here one of the fresh Polish lies.
    Equally amusing is your opinion that
    “Taking over Zaolzie are was then considered to have been ‘lesser evil’, when the greater evil already had not been staved off by British and French decisions.” This is an argument of a heinous state claiming that if we do not take a bite of this corpse, someone else will. I hope that you have some explanation why this was a “lesser evil”. The so calles Zaolzie was a sore point for Polish nationalist after loosing a part of it in a border conflict with Czechoslovakia in the “seven days war” in 1919. Those interested in this minor conflict can confer http://www.espaces-transfrontaliers.org/en/bdd-borders/frontiers/frontier/show/pologne-republique-tcheque/

  327. The British did more to provoke WWII than did any other state actor.

    The Armistice which ended hostilities between WWI combatants on 11Nov1918 led inexorably to the damned by God and man humiliation of the Germans who were compelled to sign the Treaty of Versaille formally ending WWI by the British act of starving the German civilian population through the continuation of the WWI naval blockade of food as leverage to force the starving Germans to sign.

    Hitler never forgot this act of barbarism by the British Empire against the German people, and his later Anschluss fur lebensraum against the Slavic Untermenschen was a quest for fertile land by the intended destruction of 35 million Slavic People that was inspired by the actions of the British after hostilities had ended on the Western Front.

    Hitler’s Anschluss fur Lebensraum was intended to drive the Slavic People beyond the Vistula River in much the same manner as American Settlers had pushed Native American Tribes across the Mississipi thereby killing the targeted 35 million Slavs, mostly by starvation, in order to seize valuable farmland for the Third Reich.

    Mission accomplished!

    In Hitler’s quest to annihilate the Slavs 25 million Russians were killed along with 10 million Slavs from the other Slavic states of Eastern Europe. Total killed in the Slavic dare I say Holocaust 35 million Slavic souls as planned by Hitler and Herr Backe who was the economist of the Slavic Holocaust.

    Today Israel has implemented its own Anschluss fur lebensraum in the Palestinian territories and they use the guilt associated with Hitler’s Jewish holocaust in order to hold the states of the West at bey, while they execute The Biblical Borders of Eretz Israel in much the same way but with less reason than Hitler had for his own war for living space against the Slavs. After all, Hitler didn’t have thermo-nukes with which to defend his borders and enforce his will, and, of course Israel does.

    Ironic isn’t it? The States of the West led by the United States and Israel are currently the primary exponents of Hitler’s methods for the acquisition of resources and ground which is strategic to the Conquest of the Greater Middle East by the American Imperium and the regional dominance of Sunni Islam along with the Shiite Quartet by Israel.

    Warheit Macht Frei.

    The truth shall set you free! Not when the truth is spun and distorted by our servile mass media to the greatness of the American Empire and the method of Hitler which we have assumed as our own.

  328. refl says:
    @Karel

    With my last sentence I meant that it is quite heartening when I visit those places (and this was the original Sudetenland on the border of Silesia – those areas have certainly a very diverse ethnical history) and I find that people are actually working on the history of the areas that they have come to inherit. The German version of said magazine was evidently written by someone with a high -level school German, so that was nothing done by professionals, but it came from the people. As far as I understand, quite many were themselves expelled from the eastern regions that became Soviet-ukrainian after WWII.

    My NSDAP-SA-Wehrmacht grandfather long before all that had stood at the age of 8 years at the grave of his mother who indeed had died of starvation and disease in the blockade-induced post war catastrophe in the Ruhr area. I got to know him as an incompetent father and traumatized old man, whom I would not have asked his views back then. Anyhow, there would not have been an answer. Who are you to judge?
    I am certainly not trying to spread any sort of nazi-propaganda. I am just wondering that 100 years ago the world was made safe for democracy, and that it was completely made safe for it once again in the bigger war that followed. Now, I would love to inhabit that Great New World, but somehow it has proved to be quite deficient. I have no problem with being called the asshole of the universe if it made the world better, but apparently it does not.

    On another note, someone pointed this out time ago here that Reinhardt Heydrich drove around Prague in an open car without security detail, and yet the assasin had to be parachuted in by the British. Compare that to how American officials had to fear for their lives in post 2003-Irak. This makes it doubtful that serious restistance existed in the Czech lands. I have read this with Andre Vtlchek somewhere that there was restistance in Slovakia but hardly in Czechia, but I cannot estimate.

    • Replies: @Pericles
  329. @anon

    I didn’t see anything like that. Maybe it’s country-specific? Try again with a VPN and check.

  330. Adûnâi says:
    @Jeff Davis

    I am not Jewish. I am a Russian/Ruthenian.

    “Are you defending their criminal history out of tribal loyalty or just sheer stupidity?”

    If anyone has a criminal history, that’s the White race. By praying to the foreign god of the Jews, by giving women the rights to owning property and by spreading sodomite degeneracy around the world. By wanting to die. That is a thing viler than burning children alive.

    Jews are a fine nation, no better and no worse than any other. Especially now that they have their separate country in their ancestral lands. But you consider any display of strength as evil. You are infected. And many Jews are, too. There are sodomite parades in Jerusalem. It is the Whites who abuse those poor Jews, not the other way round.

    • Replies: @Jeff Davis
  331. Adûnâi says:
    @Oscar Peterson

    “And in pursuit of it, the Poles immediately invaded Ukraine, going all the way to Kiev, to compel membership in this “alliance.” This little-known Polish-Ukrainian War starting in 1919 led to the much better known Russo-Polish War of 1920”

    How can you be so horribly wrong? The Poles were allied with the Ukrainians when their joint attack recaptured Kiev from the Soviets! The war between them had already finished, and it had been waged for Lviv and Galicia! This attack in Ukraine was the result of their peace negotiations, where Petliura had betrayed the Galicians and given them to the Poles.

    • Replies: @Oscar Peterson
  332. @Karel

    Taking Zaolzie was of course a political mistake. It was a small, relatively insignificant area. Pilsudski would have never done it. Unfortunately, Marshall Rydz-Smigly who replaced him was rather unsure of himself, and a coward who pretty early evacuated himself to Romania in 1939; in short, a Polish kind of Mussolini, who needed his Etiopia.

  333. “How can you be so horribly wrong? The Poles were allied with the Ukrainians when their joint attack recaptured Kiev from the Soviets!”

    Are you disputing the fact that Polish forces attacked Western Ukraine to prevent it from asserting its autonomy as WUPR in 1918-19? They also fought with some of Petlura’s UPR forces as they asserted Polish control in Volhynia and other nearby regions.

    You are right that ultimately (April 1920), Petlura decided to do a deal with Poland and make concessions in Galicia (which he imagined as temporary) in return for help against what he understandably viewed as the most pressing threat, the Red Army, and yes, that can certainly be interpreted as a betrayal of the Galicians.

    In the end, though, Petlura’s reliance on the Poles was disastrous, as the Polish Army, having pushed to Kiev, and the UPR forces were trounced by the Soviets and pushed all the way back into Poland. Petlura ended up an exile in Paris, and Ukraine was, once again as in the 17th century, partitioned between Poland and Russia.

    The icing on the cake was Petlura’s assassination by a Jew in Paris in 1926, an act that had, shall we say, considerable ramifications for Jews later on.

  334. @Adûnâi

    You may find it surprising, but I genuinely appreciate your reply. Sometime in the last year I came across and watched this YouTube video.

    History of Russia (PARTS 1-5) – Rurik to Revolution

    Americans are schooled almost exclusively in “Western” culture: geography, philosophy, history — poorly schooled, to be sure. They know of the existence of the Chinese and of pre-Colombian Central and South American civilizations, but little beyond that. But Eastern Europe, the Slavic regions, is a black hole of utter ignorance. Americans don’t know it even exists, and beyond that they don’t even know that they don’t know. So I am very pleased to have you show up with personal experience, knowledge, and point of view from that “undiscovered country”.

    The above YuTube video made me aware of the “black hole” and helped me make some progress filling it in.

    And in a bizarre coincidence — a coincidence only if one ignores the participation of the Deity — I stumbled across it and watched it again last night. The Deity appears to have wanted to refresh my memory, in preparation for receiving your comment today.

    The Deity has been teasing me this way for the last year or so, and as I’ve been lately graced by her blessing, I’ve taken to following her lead.

    I have some serious disagreements with the content of your comment, but we would have to have a long — and no doubt fruitful — discussion to thrash that out. Sadly, I just don’t have the time.

    Two things however.

    A question: Your English is flawless. So are you a native and resident Ruthenian, in which case your command of English is truly impressive, or are you a native English speaker — still impressive — of Ruthenian descent?

    And regarding this: “But you consider any display of strength as evil.”

    Strength in defense is honorable and noble. Strength employed in pursuit of adventurous aggression/conquest is evil.

    A friend of mine once repeated this mantra from the militarism-for-profit, death-merchants: “Weakness is a provocation.” It has an interesting sound to it, like a sort of truism. But it hides a monstrous evil. It is saying, in my interpretation, that if you do not prepare your defensive capability, then you are inviting violence — criminal violence — against you. That the violence committed against you is your fault.

    Essentially it is a statement originating from the primal pre-civilized element in all of us, by those still comfortable with the concept of rape and pillage — as long as it is them doing the raping and pillaging — those inclined to criminality, that weakness is an invitation, that weakness authorizes and justifies opportunistic criminal violence. That weakness makes the victim the responsible party in their own violation, while the criminal is just doing what comes natural. It’s the old: “They were asking for it” excuse.

    That’s criminal sophistry/apologism/justification. It’s evil, and I reject it.

    Finally, as to the Jews returning to “their ancestral lands” …

    “God” may have “given” them the land, but then God subsequently took it back, to give it sequentially to sixteen other administrative authorities:

    Imperial History of the Middle East
    http://www.mapsofwar.com/ind/imperial-history.html

    • Replies: @Adûnâi
  335. Pericles says:
    @refl

    Reinhardt Heydrich drove around Prague in an open car without security detail, and yet the assasin had to be parachuted in by the British. Compare that to how American officials had to fear for their lives in post 2003-Irak.

    In the same vein, I had the opportunity to see Obama’s black-and-mirrors motorcade when he visited Stockholm. When the visit was done, they drove off like they were chased by Satan. Perhaps they were.

    • Replies: @refl
  336. FB says: • Website

    Wow…Shamir is back in his old form…very insightful and interesting article…

  337. @Adûnâi

    My response, which was meant to be a reply to you, is #345.

  338. Adûnâi says:
    @Jeff Davis

    “Americans are schooled almost exclusively in “Western” culture: geography, philosophy, history — poorly schooled, to be sure.”

    What Americans utterly fail to grasp is the notion of a country. To them, America is not one, but a world unto itself instead. Borders are a poorly understood gimmick. And the idea of international wars? That makes no sense to them. From their sheltered position inbetween the oceans, the only matters close to their heart are “muh’ evil government” and “muh’ civil liberties”. That’s why even the brightest Americans badmouth Stalin – in their mind, international wars do not exist. Germany? Armies? Russia? It’s Hitler good or Hitler bad, not complex geopolitics and fight for survival.

    “Your English is flawless. So are you a native and resident Ruthenian, in which case your command of English is truly impressive”

    I took English classes from a race-mixing (with a Mongolian) post-Soviet Jew starting at 12. And curiously, I was never entangled in the Russian Internet.

    “Strength in defense is honorable and noble. Strength employed in pursuit of adventurous aggression/conquest is evil.”

    Evil is failure. It is a misconception, however, that a Darwinian naturalist perspective means an immediate war of all against all – it looks more like game theory. That’s why such sensible half-Christian ideas as that of a just war made some sense. But make no mistake – those who do not expand when they can take a risk and will be punished.

    I consider modern West to be fully Christian – any expansion, any aggression is inherently evil in their eyes. This is why I am not blinded by their seeming splendour and might – their foundations are rotten, and their fate will be sealed in time.

    “militarism-for-profit, death-merchants”

    See, profit (and matter!) comes in different kinds. To an objective reality, true good is the furtherance of the interests of a race. The strengthening of an economic clique is not that. Economic profits will be for naught if they are not based on physical genocide. Take Rome – it grew steadily when it was colonizing Italy, but with the advent of the Marian reforms which turned a soldier from a peasant into a mercenary, the polity became rootless, superficial, idealist and thus doomed.

    In short – America itself was half-decent when they were genociding the Amerindians, but when they turned to money-hoarding and market-exporting (replaced an ethnic empire with an economic one), then their descendants were robbed of the future.

    “Essentially it is a statement originating from the primal pre-civilized element in all of us, by those still comfortable with the concept of rape and pillage — as long as it is them doing the raping and pillaging”

    their*

    Rome was founded on the Rape of Sabine Women. Ancient Germanics were constantly raiding the Empire for spoils – and payed the price when their calculation proved wrong. But not raiding comes at an opportunity cost.

    https://chechar.wordpress.com/2011/12/21/lycanthropy/

    But to you Christians, reality matters little. What is the difference between this concept of good for its own sake and plain suicide? Disregarding reality is easy when it is your supernatural JEW who created it and your supernatural JEW who will destroy it at the end times.

    Rome was founded on sacrifice – for one’s tribe. As Mitchell Heisman put it, Christianity took sacrifice ad absurdum and posited it as an absolute virtue. Now pain itself is good and commendable, not what one is suffering for. Idealism and the hatred of Matter!

    https://legacy.gscdn.nl/archives/images/suicide_note.pdf

  339. Anon[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @melpol

    MELPOL you do not have no shame no honor spewing your hate and garbage.
    But what else can one expect from the likes of you that “SUCKS HATE from their Mother’s Breasts for all those that are not of your Tribe”!

    • Replies: @melpol
  340. @bronek

    The War That Had Many Fathers – Gerd Schultze-Rhonhof

  341. Sputo says:

    This and the previous article by the Russian Christian Orthodox Jew writing under the nickname Israel Shamir is another example that Jews may disagree and fight for different and even apparently opposite political causes, but when it comes to the global politics of extorting money from the whole nations, they cooperate brilliantly. The two articles by Israel Shamir are the example of the incredible huzpah in changing and manipulating the facts of the history of the II World War and of the history of the extermination of the European Jewry by the Nazi Germany.
    The Roman Law valid in all the Western world’s law systems says that the citizen’s property left after his death without heirs passes to the state. Polish Jews who died exterminated by Nazi Germans were Polish citizens and so their property, sometimes preserved, but often partially or wholly destroyed, passed to the Polish state if there were no inheritors left demanding their right to the property. The same that would be the case in the U.S.A, Canada, Britain, France or Holland.
    Now, the international Jewry needs always more money to impose its power on nations, so from the original shameless demand of $60 bln to be payed by Poland it passed to the $300 bln.
    Now consider 3 basic facts:

    [MORE]

    1. Poland was the first and one of the largest victims of the Nazi Germany and of the Soviet Union, which attacked Poland 17 after Hitler and occupied the Eastern half of it. 6 mln citizens of which 3 mln Christian Poles and 3 mln Polish Jews were murdered or died as a result of planned extermination, deportations, hardship applied or caused by the German and Soviet occupants. Some of the Nazi labour and death camps were built on the territory of the General Gouvernement, some, like Auschwitz, on that of the German Reich, some on the other annexed countries’ territory like Mauthausen. Consider that apart of the Roman Law’s principle there is another principle, that a victim is not to pay any compensations to another victim.
    2. Poland had the largest Jewish community in Europe before the II W.W., which was the result of the Polish king’s traditional welcome policy toward persecuted European Jewry. For centuries it was their only asylum on the European Continent if one doesn’t take in account small numbers of Jews invited by the Roman Popes in the 16th cent. The Jews of Russian, of Prussian and of Austrian Empires were the Polish Jews which were taken by them together with the partitioned Polish Commonwealth’s territories in the 2nd half of the 18th cent. But Poland welcomed Jews from ruined by the Bolshevics Russia after it became independent again in 1918 and from Nazi Germany in 1938 (after Anschluss of Asutria) and in 1939.
    3. During the II W.W. Polish resistance, following the orders by the Polish government in exile, was gathering the intelligence on the death camps and the methods of the extermination of the Jews by Nazi Germany on the Polish occupied territory and passed it by its couriers to the British and American governments, also alarming the high rank representatives of Jewish American community. With no result what ever.
    4. During the II W.W. Polish resistance, following the orders by the Polish government in exile, punished by death those who pursued and delivered hiding Jews to Germans. Among such hideous persons collaborating with the Gestapo were both Poles and Jews.
    5. In the German occupied Poland, on the territory of General Gouvernement, there was the unique German law, that the helping even one single Jew was punished with death applied collectively to the whole family of the person caught on helping. So to nourish or hiding a Jew meant for an adult man with a family also the death of his wife and his children. In spite of this draconian law, which was not used in other German occupied countries, at least 400.000* righteous people were involved in hiding Jews, for there were 100.000 Jews saved by Poles who survived the extermination by the Nazi Germans on the Polish soil. Most of them emigrated to Israel in the late 40ties because of the imposition of the communist laws in Poland and the closure of the private commerce. But many of the Jews saved by the Poles and many of the Jews who survived the II W.W. in the Soviet Union and came to Poland with the Red Army, enrolled to the communist state security units and took part in fighting and murdering of the Polish patriots, members of the anti-German resistance units or became the members of the new communist government and elite, enjoying privileges of the ruling caste until the Polish ‘peasant’s fraction’ of the Polish Communist Party forced them to emigrate from Poland in 1968, when they presented themselves to the Western Europeans as victims of the system, the fiction they keep telling until now. (*it is calculated, that to hide on Jew under the German occupation there were at least four non Jews needed, as it was necessary to change places and organize the food).
    6. Poles are resentful toward Jews not only because their massive involvement in the new Communist regime imposed on Poland in 1945 by the new, Soviet occupants (following the Communist Soviet and the present Putin’s propaganda, Israel Shamir calls the Red Army and the NKVD the “liberators” of Poland!), but also because of the betrayal of the Jewish Polish citizens on the Soviet occupied and annexed Eastern Poland. Jews massively welcomed Stalin’s Red Army which invaded Poland on Sept. 17th 1939 according to the Ribbentrop-Molotov treaty and willingly collaborated with the NKVD, pursuing and delivering Poles to the Bolshevik Gestapo. Their victims were Polish state officials, clerks and workers, teachers, land owners, priests. If the Gestapo in the German occupied Poland used to arrest only the person it wanted, the NKVD used to arrest the whole family, often murdering or putting to the jail the man, and sending to Siberian labour camps of GULAG and later to the Kazakhstan’s empty plains of his family, which meant starvation of inhuman conditions, hard work, hardship or simply hunger.
    7. Thanks to the Stalin-Sikorski agreement a Polish army was formed in 1941 in the Soviet Union and in 1942 it left Russia passing to Iran, taking with it some survived from the Soviet extermination Polish officers, but also numerous Poles sent to the GULAG camps. Among those Poles there were many Polish Jewish officers and soldiers who, when the Ander’s Polish 2nd Corp arrived to Palestine, used the occasion to desert the army and stay in Palestine, forming the nucleus of the future Israeli army.
    8. Polish diplomats were helping Jews in endangered by the Nazis before the II W.W. (like during the Vienna Pogrom in 1938) and saved many of them during the II W.W., giving them in the fisrt case the Polish passports, and in the latter the false South American passports and visas.
    9. It is a gross manipulation of the ambassador’s Josef Lipsky taken out of the context words in the private conversation with Hitler which Putin now tries to cover Stalin’s Soviet Union responsibility of stating the II W.W. together with Hitler’s Germany in 1939. Poland’s governments before 1939 realised that there was the ‘Jewish problem’ in Poland, as the 10% of the population of Poland were Jews, the commerce was monopolised by Jews and some of the important professions, like attorneys and lawyers were becoming more and more exercised by Jews, and on the other hand many Jews used to live in their closed communities and having their completely separated cultural and religious life. You can imagine, when the U.S., with its only 2% of Jewish population has politics and culture dominated by it, how could the situation evolve in Poland with its 10% of Jewish population! That is why Polish Republic actively helped Jews to establish their land in Palestine financing and secretly instructing Jewish fighters who were sent from Poland to Palestine, collaborating thus with the Zeev Jabotinsky’s Zionist movement. There existed antisemitism in Poland, as it existed in any European country and also in America, proportionally to the number of Jews in the country and their influence. Greater the number of Jews was, greater the antisemitism. You can follow this phenomenon in the case of any of the East and West European country. But Poland didn’t have pogroms, in the contrary to what claims Israel Shamir. And Poland was one of very few countries were Jews had their full spectre of their own political parties, cultural and religious organisations, including sport clubs and movie production in Jiddish. Polish Jewish boxer from the Polish Jewish sport club Makabi Brześć won a medal winning against the German boxer in Berlin 1996 Olympics. Jews in Poland were members of the Polish governments agencies, officers in the army, outstanding poets of the Polish language, beloved cabaret authors and actors, architects and doctors. Many were reach industrialists and property owners, many middle class well off businessmen, many law class almost-poor shop owners. Some of them were Zionists and wanted to emigrate to Palestine, the great majority wanted to stay and to improve their life conditions. These Polish Jews, and some few millions more from the rest of Europe, were condemned to death in the Holocaust by the International Jewry and exterminated by the Hitler’s Germany during the II W.W., helped until 1941 with the supplies of oil and other raw materials Stalin’s Soviet Union and with steel during the whole war by the peace loving Sweden.

    • LOL: Adûnâi
    • Replies: @Dube
  342. melpol says:
    @Anon

    It is not hate that I spew it is thoughts based on my experience. Most people I met treated me badly, so I never held people in high esteem. I am more of an experienced Cynic than that of a hateful Jew. But since you find my viewpoints nasty why blame it on me being Jewish. Most Websites banned me because of my negativity not because of my being Jewish. You will never be a happy person but will remain as negative and angry as I am.

  343. Dube says:
    @Sputo

    The Roman Law valid in all the Western world’s law systems says that the citizen’s property left after his death without heirs passes to the state. Polish Jews who died exterminated by Nazi Germans were Polish citizens and so their property, sometimes preserved, but often partially or wholly destroyed, passed to the Polish state if there were no inheritors left demanding their right to the property. The same that would be the case in the U.S.A, Canada, Britain, France or Holland.

    Aye, there’s the rub. The claim by international NGOs or even the State of Israel to duly receive the heirless property seems to imply that Jewish citizens among the nations are not truly citizens of those nations.

    This apparent contradiction, one might hope, can be explained clearly…?

  344. CB_ says:

    POLAND 1939
    Rydz-Smigly, that cardboard cut-out of a Marshal,
    was Satan’s gift to the Jew Rothschild banksters.
    Marshal Pilsudski would have never swallowed
    those totally worthless ‘Anglo-French guaranties’ –
    and would have never heard of them, in the first
    place – as, having negotiated with Mr Hitler
    earlier on – in the spirit of mutual respect –
    he would have worked out a satisfactory
    modus vivendi – without the need for any
    back-stabbing Judo-Masonic ‘guarantees’.

    [MORE]

    If Hitler was a “King” on the Jew Rothschild
    banksters’ chessboard, Rydz was a “Jester” –
    vain and silly enough to be impressed by the
    criminally-motivated Judo-Masonic insinuations
    like the “British Empire… the “French Republic
    will never allow – humbug, humbug, humbug…”

    In fact, the Jew Rothschild banksters planned
    WW2 – at least since Versailles in 1919 –
    precisely in order to have Poland utterly
    devastated, so that the largest in Europe
    cabal of Jews could be squeezed out of
    that country – and channelled to the
    Rothschilds’ colonial project in Palestine.

    And in the light of this, the Jew Rothschild
    banksters’ funding of the Judo-communist
    coup d’etat in Russia in 1917 can be also
    better understood. They knew exactly
    what they could expect of their fellow
    Jews, the disciples of Talmud: cannibalism.

    For example, in 1937, the Judo-communist
    cannibalism even got to the point of incest,
    when Judo-communists went about
    devouring their fellow Judo-communists.

    Thus, when Mr Hitler’s crusade against
    communism began in 1941, the Jews’
    reputation for extreme terror was so well
    established – even with the populations
    of eastern Poland and the Baltic States
    occupied by the Soviets only since 1939-40 –
    that there was no alternative left to that
    very treatment which they eventually
    received, which, of course, suited the Jew
    Rothschild banksters’ purposes just fine.

  345. Thirdeye says:
    @Rurik

    Mostly a question of scale and extent. There is no question that Polish military officers numbering in the low thousands were executed in the Katyn forest. The problems arise when every mass grave containing Polish victims is attributed to the Soviets. A team of Polish forensic anthropologists found information identifying Polish victims at a mass grave in the Ukraine, including at least one police officer, who had been identified as “Katyn victims.” But there was overwhelming evidence that the mass grave was the work of an SS operation and some of the “Katyn” victims carried dated documents from after the period of the Katyn executions. So the estimates of the total number of Katyn victims are suspect to say the least. The discovery of the Katyn execution site provided cover for mass executions carried out by the SS.

    Shamir’s mention of hundreds of thousands of Soviet POWs deliberately killed in the Polish-Soviet war of 1919-21 is highly relevant to the Katyn discussion. The Soviets had a grievance that the Polish army was harboring war criminals, so Polish officers were suspect. The timing of the Katyn massacre is also significant. Polish officers were not summarily executed when they fell into Soviet hands in 1939, they were executed in early 1940. That followed the declaration of war against the Soviet Union by the Polish Government in Exile in December 1939. That move ended any prospect of a co-operative resolution of the war crimes issue between the Soviets and the PGIE, and overnight changed the status of the captured officers from internees to enemy prisoners. One significant detail overlooked in the Katyn massacre is that the officers were individually interrogated before they were executed, per witness accounts. My take is that the Soviets were probably looking to stage a show trial of alleged war criminals, with testimony coerced from captured officers. But the officers either genuinely knew nothing about the crimes of 1919-21 or stuck together, bringing down the collective punishment of the Katyn executions. It was not just, but it followed a certain logic of relations between the Polish and Soviet governments.

  346. @Thirdeye

    it is because of the likes of you that German criminal law only punishes deniers of Nazi crimes.

    Hope you are proud of yourself.

    • Replies: @Thirdeye
  347. refl says:
    @Pericles

    I had the honour of being hindered from attending my workplace once, because John Kerry was so afraid they cut off the place completely, cut off the phone lines and even brought their own towels for the staff. It was like being shit upon by the horses of Marie Antoinettes carriage and being supposed to feel honoured by the presence of the emmissary of the Overlord.

  348. Adûnâi says:
    @Thirdeye

    “But the officers either genuinely knew nothing about the crimes of 1919-21 or stuck together, bringing down the collective punishment of the Katyn executions. It was not just, but it followed a certain logic of relations between the Polish and Soviet governments.”

    Huh? What’s about the fact that the Poles were shot dead with German munitions? Why is everybody overlooking this gigantic fact? You Westerners are living in an alternate reality where sodomite sex is legal and where Katyn was perpetrated by the Soviets, and not the SS! So shameless. So surreal. It’s like they are ignoring straight facts staring in their faces. The same way as Wikipedia is talking about the non-existence of human races or the existence of so-called “genders”.

    This world is insane. Only the DPRK remains.

    • Replies: @snag
  349. snag says:
    @Adûnâi

    “What’s about the fact that the Poles were shot dead with German munitions?”

    … and as a matter of fact with Walther (German) handgun – Is that your proof that the Germans did it not the Jew infested NKVD?

  350. snag says:
    @Thirdeye

    “Shamir’s mention of hundreds of thousands of Soviet POWs deliberately killed in the Polish-Soviet war of 1919-21 is highly relevant to the Katyn discussion.”
    —————————
    Max 80-85 thousand not hundreds of thousands – Can’t compare. Polish POWs were murdered with cold blood and a bullet to the back of the head by NKVD executioners. Soviet POWs died due to the overcrowding, poor sanitary conditions and an outbreak of typhus, cholera, flu and dysentery among other illnesses.

    It happen shortly after WWI Poland was devastated and wasn’t prepared to provide better conditions for so many prisoners.

    Another detail Poles didn’t invade Soviet Union in 1919 and ’39, they invaded Poland – Big difference.

  351. When I come to US in 1985 I did not know what anti-Semitism means. Quickly I learned that by just being Pole I am anti-Semite by default. Why are we trying to convince others that we are not anti-Semites? And that is not just Poles, but over the past 2000 years virtually every government in Europe (except for Poland) was prosecuting Jews. Perhaps it is time to understand why exactly Jews were being punished? Let’s start with Talmud and its relative ethics and continue through Polish territory where Jews negotiated in recent and not so recent history with the enemies of Poland trying to cut for themselves piece of Poland (Judeo-Polonia, Judenrat…), and most recently guess who Stalin trusted with creation communist Poland? Yes, Jews – all top positions where held by Jews! Still established at that era Jewish dynasties continue to control Poland till today. Let’s continue – 1944 to 1956, 11 years of Holocaust for what was left of polish elites – 250.000 killed by NKWD and UB or MB (let’s remember 80% of NKWD where Jews). Jews were given home in Poland about 600 years ago but only about 1% of them felt patriotic about the country that protected them, rest of them enclosed themselves in the ghettos. Jewish Diaspora should pay rent to Poland for providing shelter for the Jewish culture. Culture, that proved itself ungrateful. Culture that created generations of guests, not citizens.
    Jews must come within themselves to true understanding of their shortcomings and faults. By creating pseudo-authorities they will gain nothing. They are no versions of truths, there is only one truth.
    Let’s not forget about Jewish debt to Poland from over 300 years ago (documented by last polish king Poniatowski) worth today nearly $20 trillions , let’s take a look at how Jews gathered wealth in Poland, we might learn History, not Haggadah that way…

    • Agree: anarchyst, snag
  352. @Gordon Pratt

    You did say:

    Nazi claims that “Aryans” constituted the master race put them in direct competition with the Biblical report the Lord selected the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (aka Israel) as his special people half a millennium before Moses.

    The ‘Nazis’ never made such a claim, but you are still required to look for it and post it here, since you said they did. Where is it?

    Writing any old crap about the Nazis is not okay, here or anywhere.

  353. @asmonteiro

    You Soviet apologists are always simply making things up. The hospital ship Gustloff set out at night to avoid daylight problems, and yes, it did carry some German troops [they were the wounded!!] along with many fleeing civilian refugees. It was packed.

    A soviet submarine that was in sort of a rogue position (not where it was supposed to be and commanded by a drunken captain who was in some trouble with his authorities at the time) happened to spot it and pursued it. He succeeded in torpedoing it without any orders to do so, and revived his career. He became a hero!

    It is not true that the Gustloff was fair game, but at that late date in the war, who was going to do anything about it? So much for Russian ethics.

  354. KA says:
    @Igor Bundy

    Crimea to Greece ? Rightfully belong?
    How many times UK France have used the “rightfully “ part in their excursions through the rest of the world outside Crimea?
    How many Greeks were living in Crimea at that time?

    What part of Greece was claiming it? Athenian ? Spartan? Or the Northern Republic of Macedonia or Troy part of Turkey.?

    May be you have some sources.Can you share ?

  355. macdundas says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    This “respected” ABC radio person wouldn’t be a Melbourne bloke of Jewish extraction who vilified a union official who had doubts about 9/11 and the Dancing Israelis, would it?

  356. Johan says:
    @Nonny Mouse

    “Innocent until proven guilty” like you say is a judicial concept, pertaining to judgement, not a scientific one. It is designed and formulated as a conceptual basis in order to prevent premature judgment, which is our collective tendency. It is an assumption of innocence which is deliberately and forcefully placed before the assumption of guilt, which should not be seen as a scientific concept.

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