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The Russian presidential elections are blissfully over, for they were extremely nasty and embarrassing. Mr Putin could have won more modestly and plausibly. The election results would make Turkmenistan proud, if not North Korea. The turnout was quite high, 68%. The incumbent President received almost 77% of the vote, while his main contender Mr Grudinin’s share has been announced at less than 12%.

Theresa May and Boris Johnson were prominent contributors to Vladimir Putin’s landslide victory. Their ultimatum to Russia, their baseless accusations, and their threats mobilised millions of Russians who weren’t inclined to go to the polls at all. Before the Salisbury affair, a lot of Russians were indifferent to the forthcoming elections. They felt it made little sense to take part in the show with predefined results. However, the British hard line regarding the murky story of an assassination attempt changed the public mood.

Were the results falsified? Probably, up to a point, and quite unnecessarily, too.

The first true results coming from the Russian Far East gave over 20% to the Communist, and about 60% to Putin. It seems that the administration overseers who reportedly had backdoor access to the results decided to ‘improve’ them forcefully. The results received after that were already adjusted for desired numbers.

In the far-away Yakut province, with its mind-boggling frost of minus 35 ° below zero, the Communist contender has got almost 30% of the vote. In the Vladivostok province, in the region facing Japan, Grudinin has got over 20%, likewise in the Siberian university city of Omsk. On the other side, in the notoriously dishonest and despotic Muslim republic of Chechnya the contender was given less than 5%.

My guess is that true un-cooked results would be between 18% and 25% for the Communist, and correspondingly, around 60-65% for the incumbent, still good enough for Putin’s outright win, but not good enough for his zealous aides.

The veteran nationalist leader Vladimir Zhirinovsky got less than 6%. So much for the predictions of my esteemed colleague Anatoly Karlin: he quoted VTSIOM’s prognoses of 6% for Grudinin and 7% for Zhirinovsky (or other way around) as reliable numbers. These two men, and these two parties are just not in the same league. Zhirinovsky’s National-Democratic Party is likely to disappear unless radically revamped; the Communists have a solid following. And sociologist prognoses are of little value nowadays: they are tools of psychological warfare against the voter.

Miss Xenia Sobchak, the leading liberal and pro-Western candidate, was treated softly and gently by the state media. She had positive coverage every day of the election campaign. She is supposed to be a godchild of Mr Putin, and a daughter of Mr Putin’s senior colleague, the former Petersburg Mayor, and of Mrs Narusova, a member of the Russian Senate. She got the votes of Mr Navalny who was banned from running due to his criminal conviction. Still she had received one and a half per cent of the vote, showing little support for an active pro-Western agenda.

The remaining candidates were also-run, getting around one per cent or less. However, they played an important role in the Kremlin election strategy of undermining Mr Grudinin’s appeal. The main medium the Russian people have to learn of the candidates is through the state-owned TV, and its two programs: one, reports of the Central Election Board, and the debates of the candidates.

The reports were biased against Paul Grudinin; practically every report contained some negative news about him. The official posters with the names of the contenders issued by the CEB contained a claim that the CEB could not verify Mr Grudinin’s information.

The debates were even worse: Putin was exempt, while the remaining seven contenders were given four minutes each to state their cause and one minute to respond. Thus the real leading contender Mr Paul Grudinin and a Kremlin spoiler fake “also-communist” Mr Suraykin (he received 0.67% of the vote) were given the same exposure. Mr Suraykin brought to the debates a person who claimed she was cheated by Mr Grudinin, and this person was allowed to participate in the debates (imagine Mrs Clinton bringing Stormy Daniels to the debates with Donald Trump). Mr Zhirinovsky swore freely at Grudinin and at Miss Sobchak, the only female of the lot. All in all, the impression created was that of a pack of clowns in a provincial circus.

The Russians have called this shameful show Snow White and The Seven Dwarfs. Snow White was surely Mr Putin, who didn’t participate in the debates and thus had been projected as one standing above the crowd.

This technique was supplemented by the dominance of pro-Putin trolls in the social networks. They roamed the Russian networks aggressively commenting on posts supporting Putin’s rivals.

It was alleged the administration bought the allegiance of some well-known independent leftists, and they traveled around Russia preaching against Grudinin as “not a real Communist.” These people could hardly afford to fly around those long Russian distances unless somebody were footing the bill.

This dirty campaign was quite unnecessary: Putin would win with less effort and less intimidation, too. I’d guess that zealous Russian officials went into overkill hoping to curry favour with the Commander-in-Chief. Alas, this is typical for Russia: the officials know neither limits nor decency in pursuing the perceived goals of their superiors.

I do not think Mr Putin personally approved, or was aware of these tactics, but that is what happens when every official tries his best (or his worst) to reach and overreach the goal.

The leading contender Mr Grudinin had more problems at home. His party KPRF (the Communist Party) didn’t try hard to help him. He was an outsider, like Mr Trump had been an outsider for the Republicans. I was told that in many cities, the KPRF officials quietly sabotaged the campaign and spent the state-assigned election funds for their own benefits.

The Party leader Mr Zyuganov didn’t want to part with the limelight; he insisted on accompanying the candidate and speaking instead of him. There were very few videos of the campaign free of Mr Zyuganov’s overwhelming presence.

After the elections, Mr Zyuganov expressed satisfaction with the results and called upon Mr Putin to appoint his erstwhile rival Mr Grudinin as a new Prime Minister. Mr Grudinin refrained from seconding this call.

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As a part of anti-Grudinin campaign, his Jewish ancestry was addressed in the social networks, even by the “leftists”, though he is not more ‘Jewish’ that John Kerry or Vladimir Lenin. He is not the only candidate with Jewish ancestry: Mr Zhirinovsky has some Jewish blood, too. It doesn’t mean much in Russia, outside ultra-nationalist circles.

A big part of Russian educated classes has some Jewish ancestry: after all, the Soviet Jews freely intermarried with the ethnic Russians for the last hundred years, with majority marrying outside of the community. Children of mixed marriages usually identified themselves as Russians; those who identified themselves as Jewish left for Israel. There they learned that the Jews do not consider them being members of the Chosen People, and many of them trekked back to Russia, cured of their illusions. However, Jewishness or otherwise of the candidates hasn’t been played up much in the course of the elections.

The Russian elections weren’t as bad as in, say, Egypt, where practically all contenders were arrested and jailed; opposition parties banned; exception being made for a candidate personally devoted to the incumbent president. Comparison with Iran is not that clear-cut. In Iran, the contenders are vetted by a board of ayatollas; in Russia, they are vetted by the Presidential Administration, a non-constitutional body that has sweeping powers over the country’s political life. However, in Iran there is a real struggle between the candidates, albeit moderated by the clergy; while in Russia there is no real struggle.

There are historical reasons for it. Russia lacks democratic traditions, but it is not tyrannical, for the Russian people love their rulers, and usually approve of them. The Tsars were loved, the General Secretaries were loved all the way to the last one. Yeltsin was loved at least until 1995. And now the Russians love Putin. He is a legitimate ruler as long as he retains love of his people.

It would be nice to have a less authoritarian model, but perhaps this model fits Russian national character. Amazingly, it could have been different but for the American intervention. In 1991, Russia had a democratic constitution, but after 1993 when Yeltsin shelled the Parliament, the US advisers created a constitution for Russia with its unhindered authoritarian presidential rule in order to prevent the restoration of Communism. Now the Americans have no right to complain: they made it themselves.

It is good that Putin is a rather successful ruler, careful and cautious. Though his last election has not been as fair as one would like, he undoubtedly enjoys massive support. Let us hope he will use this landslide result as an opening for reforming Russia in the right direction for the benefit of the Russian people.

Postscript: Another View of Novichok

The Salisbury poisoning played an important role in the Russian elections. Practically all Russian publications expressed indignation and didn’t propose any explanation. This brief note by Andrey Lazarchuk has been published in the social networks. It is interesting, and it agrees with revealed facts. Whether it is true or not – remains to be seen. Here is his text in verbatim translation:

Do not ask for the source of the information, I will not give it up. Everything written below is very different from what you can find on the web.

1. Already in the early 1980s, the Soviet Army ceased to treat CW (Chemical Weapons) as a weapon that could be used in real war conditions: approximately in 1983-84 it was decided to cease CW supplies to the army, reduce operational reserves and take out CW from the troops to long-term storage warehouses and landfills for destruction. At the same time and until 1996, there were no new CW products supplied to the army, neither new instructions for use and protection.

2. Mirzoyanov, majoring in chemistry and analytics, never worked at theoretical developments or practical synthesis. All 1980s he worked in the administration (First Department).

3. In the second half of the 1980s, the KGB carried out a large-scale operation to dis-inform the enemy, which also had the side-line task of identifying information leakage channels. Twenty “fake” but very detailed projects were developed for “a new chemical super-weapon that is not detected by existing NATO detectors and from which there is no protection” (NOVA with indices, “Novichok” with indices, ASD and others). The Novichok passed through the hands of Mirzoyanov.

4. The factory-laboratory in Kantyubek in the late 70′s was re-profiled from the creation and testing of CW and BW for the production and testing of herbicides and defoliants – mainly for the needs of the cotton industry.

5. Mirzoyanov as a source of leakage was identified immediately. In the 1990, he was removed from all real work, through he remained a conduit of disinformation. In 1992, he revealed himself voluntarily by publishing the well-known article. From that moment, the Novichok attracted media interests. In the 1995, NYT wrote about the “new Russian super-weapon”.

6. NATO had spent more than $ 10 billion on defence against this fake weapon.

7. What actually happened in Salisbury is unclear; nor the behavior of the poisoned, nor the actions of the police, doctors, special services do not add up to the whole picture. More or less plausible is the poisoning with a synthetic neurotoxin, similar to the toxin of fugu fish.

Brief summary: “Novichok” is not the name of the CW, but the code of the KGB operation carried out to identify the mole (the information leakage channel), as well as the supply of disinformation.

Israel Shamir can be reached at [email protected]

This article was first published at The Unz Review.

 
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  1. Were the results falsified? Probably, up to a point, and quite unnecessarily, too.

    They were the cleanest elections since 2004.

    Dmitry Kobak estimates real turnout was 61-62% [official = 68.0%] and that Putin’s real share of the vote was 74-75% [official = 76.7%].

    The first true results coming from the Russian Far East gave over 20% to the Communist, and about 60% to Putin. It seems that the administration overseers who reportedly had backdoor access to the results decided to ‘improve’ them forcefully. The results received after that were already adjusted for desired numbers.

    But this proves nothing. Different candidates do differently across different regions.

    For instance, here is a more plausible explanation: https://kireev.livejournal.com/1446391.html

    My guess is that true un-cooked results would be between 18% and 25% for the Communist, and correspondingly, around 60-65% for the incumbent, still good enough for Putin’s outright win, but not good enough for his zealous aides.

    Your estimate almost tallies with Navalny’s 55%. :)

    The veteran nationalist leader Vladimir Zhirinovsky got less than 6%. So much for the predictions of my esteemed colleague Anatoly Karlin: he quoted VTSIOM’s prognoses of 6% for Grudinin and 7% for Zhirinovsky (or other way around) as reliable numbers.

    I predicted 9.7% for Grudinin (actual: 11.8%) and 7.8% for Zhirinovsky (actual: 5.7%). Hardly a major mistake considering everything else – including by far the two most important figures, Putin and turnout – were within 1%, and in the case of turnout accurate to within 0.1%.

    Still a complete failure for the commies. Lowest Presidential election result ever (even lower than the non-entity Kharitonov in 2014); differential between their candidate and Zhirik is now down to 2x, from 3x in 2012, despite Grudinin’s peeling off some liberal and even nationalist voters.

    Also a liar – went back on his promise to shave his mustache in the event that he got less than 15%.

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    • Replies: @Israel Shamir
    Anatoly, you wrote correctly

    I continue to very much doubt the kremlins will be able to fulfill the first part of their “70/70″ goal (70% turnout, 70% Putin), unless they really go overboard with the fraud this year.
     
    What made you change your mind and declare the elections clean?
    As for your predictions,

    Putin gets more than 80% in the Russian Presidential elections: 50%.
    Pavel Grudinin (KPRF) gets more than 7% in the Russian elections: 50%.
    Zhirinovsky (LDPR) gets more than 8% in the Russian elections: 50%.
    Zhirinovsky gets more votes than Pavel Grudinin: 60%
     
    All appear wrong. The second one is wrong by giving 50% that Grudinin won't make even 7%.

    Russian elections see record low turnout: 80%
     
    also wrong.


    If Sobchak is allowed to run, she gets more than 3% in the Russian elections: 50%.
     
    - not even similar.

    Still a complete failure for the commies. Lowest Presidential election result ever (even lower than the non-entity Kharitonov in 2014)
     
    - you should compare with most recent elections of 2016, when the Communists got 13,45%. LDPR indeed took a slide from 13,24%.
    As for the rest: you allow your anti-communism to carry you away.
    , @Avery
    Considering the DNC machine rigged the Democratic primaries and derailed Bernie Sanders' run, and considering the entire Establishment came out in force to defeat Trump (e.g. Donna Brazile admitting she shared debate questions with Clinton campaign..... leaked audios, false accusations,....which are still ongoing.....), whatever shenanigans Putin campaign was involved in seem like the proverbial nothingburger.

    In comparison, Russian presidential elections appear to be far more democratic and clean than the putrid swamp the American presidential elections have become.
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  2. yurivku says:

    Well it is honest report of elections which just ended.
    Thank you Israel. You really know what you are wiriting about.

    I didn’t vote for VVP, but I do confirm everything – limited faith, outrage in regions, dirty MSM behaviour with respect to Grudinin, fake opposition candidates and Putin’s victory.

    I believe that if everything was honest – Grudinin will get 25-30%, and Putin about 60%.

    As far as we all know now are quite hard times to Russia and to the world as a whole. We know that Putin is sane, bright and strong, but I can’t see it in US/UK/FR/… elites.

    Let us hope he will use this landslide result as an opening for reforming Russia in the right direction for the benefit of the Russian people.

    Let us all hope to survive and hope Putin will help in that.

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    " As far as we all know now are quite hard times to Russia and to the world as a whole. "

    Why do we have these hard times ?
    Could it be globalisation, western greed, and western aggression ?
    , @CalDre

    Thank you Israel. You really know what you are wiriting about.
     
    Since Israel is a die-hard Communist he will always write pro-Communist, though with some wit and insights. If it were up to him the entire world would be Communist. I am a virulent anti-Communist, and that includes the pseudo-capitalistic oligarchic Bolshevism practiced in the West, but I am at least realistic about the chances of the Globalists/Bolsheviks getting their rich deserts. I.e. pretty damn non-existent.
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  3. 77% is hardly Stalin- or Enver Hoxha territory, but yes, I guess they over-egged the pudding.

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    I am sure that Putin would win election in every country in the world for even much less , what he did in Russia...He is the only one. No competition . I repeat , no competition for Putin.
    And they not only voted for him but they got already plenty of improvement back.
    More that they dreamed.. First normal ruler and excellent one.
    Russia is now a showcase of democracy.
    If Xenia have a nice looking mother , everything is possible ...
    /Even good treatment, in the cruel election fights/.
    Swamp is now dried in Moscow...
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  4. @Anatoly Karlin

    Were the results falsified? Probably, up to a point, and quite unnecessarily, too.
     
    They were the cleanest elections since 2004.

    Dmitry Kobak estimates real turnout was 61-62% [official = 68.0%] and that Putin’s real share of the vote was 74-75% [official = 76.7%].

    The first true results coming from the Russian Far East gave over 20% to the Communist, and about 60% to Putin. It seems that the administration overseers who reportedly had backdoor access to the results decided to ‘improve’ them forcefully. The results received after that were already adjusted for desired numbers.
     
    But this proves nothing. Different candidates do differently across different regions.

    For instance, here is a more plausible explanation: https://kireev.livejournal.com/1446391.html

    My guess is that true un-cooked results would be between 18% and 25% for the Communist, and correspondingly, around 60-65% for the incumbent, still good enough for Putin’s outright win, but not good enough for his zealous aides.
     
    Your estimate almost tallies with Navalny's 55%. :)

    The veteran nationalist leader Vladimir Zhirinovsky got less than 6%. So much for the predictions of my esteemed colleague Anatoly Karlin: he quoted VTSIOM’s prognoses of 6% for Grudinin and 7% for Zhirinovsky (or other way around) as reliable numbers.
     
    I predicted 9.7% for Grudinin (actual: 11.8%) and 7.8% for Zhirinovsky (actual: 5.7%). Hardly a major mistake considering everything else - including by far the two most important figures, Putin and turnout - were within 1%, and in the case of turnout accurate to within 0.1%.

    Still a complete failure for the commies. Lowest Presidential election result ever (even lower than the non-entity Kharitonov in 2014); differential between their candidate and Zhirik is now down to 2x, from 3x in 2012, despite Grudinin's peeling off some liberal and even nationalist voters.

    Also a liar - went back on his promise to shave his mustache in the event that he got less than 15%.

    Anatoly, you wrote correctly

    I continue to very much doubt the kremlins will be able to fulfill the first part of their “70/70″ goal (70% turnout, 70% Putin), unless they really go overboard with the fraud this year.

    What made you change your mind and declare the elections clean?
    As for your predictions,

    Putin gets more than 80% in the Russian Presidential elections: 50%.
    Pavel Grudinin (KPRF) gets more than 7% in the Russian elections: 50%.
    Zhirinovsky (LDPR) gets more than 8% in the Russian elections: 50%.
    Zhirinovsky gets more votes than Pavel Grudinin: 60%

    All appear wrong. The second one is wrong by giving 50% that Grudinin won’t make even 7%.

    Russian elections see record low turnout: 80%

    also wrong.

    If Sobchak is allowed to run, she gets more than 3% in the Russian elections: 50%.

    – not even similar.

    Still a complete failure for the commies. Lowest Presidential election result ever (even lower than the non-entity Kharitonov in 2014)

    – you should compare with most recent elections of 2016, when the Communists got 13,45%. LDPR indeed took a slide from 13,24%.
    As for the rest: you allow your anti-communism to carry you away.

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    What made you change your mind and declare the elections clean?
     
    1. Because the elections happened and the statistical evidence indicates that they were indeed if not exactly clean, but at least the cleanest since 2004.

    2. WRT to 70/70, note what I actually said:

    I continue to very much doubt the kremlins will be able to fulfill the first part of their “70/70″ goal (70% turnout, 70% Putin), unless they really go overboard with the fraud this year.
     
    And I was indeed correct on that - turnout was indeed less than 70% [it was 68%].

    The post in question: http://www.unz.com/akarlin/a-clearer-picture/

    Incidentally, note my prediction from there (note it was written on January 11!!):

    Putin – 78% (down from 80%)
    Zhirinovsky – 7% (down from 8%)
    Grudinin – 13% (up from Zyuganov’s 7%)
    Sobchak – 3%
    Due to the apparent excitement around the new face, turnout might also be slightly higher than the minimally low 60% I was expecting at the start of the year.
     
    Reality:

    Putin - 77%
    Grudinin - 12%
    Zhirinovsky - 6%
    Sobchak - 2%
    Turnout - 68%
     
    Remarkably accurate, actually.

    As for your predictions...
     
    Those predictions come from another post: http://www.unz.com/akarlin/new-year-predictions-for-2018/

    But recall the context - On Jan 1, when I made that post, Grudinin was still a new face, one I hadn't heard of before [almost nobody had], had no cause to expect him to do better than, say, Zyuganov (who was polling terribly). There were no polls at all about Grudinin available at that time.

    Then the first poll on Jan 10 put Grudinin almost twice ahead of Zhirinovsky, and I updated my bearings appropriately (see the Jan 11 post).

    Not to mention coming in third out of 58 people in Kireev's elections predictions contest.
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    Anatoly, you wrote correctly

    I continue to very much doubt the kremlins will be able to fulfill the first part of their “70/70″ goal (70% turnout, 70% Putin), unless they really go overboard with the fraud this year.
     
    What made you change your mind and declare the elections clean?
    As for your predictions,

    Putin gets more than 80% in the Russian Presidential elections: 50%.
    Pavel Grudinin (KPRF) gets more than 7% in the Russian elections: 50%.
    Zhirinovsky (LDPR) gets more than 8% in the Russian elections: 50%.
    Zhirinovsky gets more votes than Pavel Grudinin: 60%
     
    All appear wrong. The second one is wrong by giving 50% that Grudinin won't make even 7%.

    Russian elections see record low turnout: 80%
     
    also wrong.


    If Sobchak is allowed to run, she gets more than 3% in the Russian elections: 50%.
     
    - not even similar.

    Still a complete failure for the commies. Lowest Presidential election result ever (even lower than the non-entity Kharitonov in 2014)
     
    - you should compare with most recent elections of 2016, when the Communists got 13,45%. LDPR indeed took a slide from 13,24%.
    As for the rest: you allow your anti-communism to carry you away.

    What made you change your mind and declare the elections clean?

    1. Because the elections happened and the statistical evidence indicates that they were indeed if not exactly clean, but at least the cleanest since 2004.

    2. WRT to 70/70, note what I actually said:

    I continue to very much doubt the kremlins will be able to fulfill the first part of their “70/70″ goal (70% turnout, 70% Putin), unless they really go overboard with the fraud this year.

    And I was indeed correct on that – turnout was indeed less than 70% [it was 68%].

    The post in question: http://www.unz.com/akarlin/a-clearer-picture/

    Incidentally, note my prediction from there (note it was written on January 11!!):

    Putin – 78% (down from 80%)
    Zhirinovsky – 7% (down from 8%)
    Grudinin – 13% (up from Zyuganov’s 7%)
    Sobchak – 3%
    Due to the apparent excitement around the new face, turnout might also be slightly higher than the minimally low 60% I was expecting at the start of the year.

    Reality:

    Putin – 77%
    Grudinin – 12%
    Zhirinovsky – 6%
    Sobchak – 2%
    Turnout – 68%

    Remarkably accurate, actually.

    As for your predictions…

    Those predictions come from another post: http://www.unz.com/akarlin/new-year-predictions-for-2018/

    But recall the context – On Jan 1, when I made that post, Grudinin was still a new face, one I hadn’t heard of before [almost nobody had], had no cause to expect him to do better than, say, Zyuganov (who was polling terribly). There were no polls at all about Grudinin available at that time.

    Then the first poll on Jan 10 put Grudinin almost twice ahead of Zhirinovsky, and I updated my bearings appropriately (see the Jan 11 post).

    Not to mention coming in third out of 58 people in Kireev’s elections predictions contest.

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    Looks like this year's example of the (fake) 146% for Putin meme.
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  7. nash says:

    “US advisers created a constitution for Russia”

    Don’t sweat their crappy US constitution. It’s gradually being overridden by world-standard rule of law.

    By the Russians’ own account, when the USSR dissolved they had no time for constitutional deliberations. They grabbed for the first life preserver at hand. That, of course, was the Helsinki Final Act, which limited the damage the US could do with its fixation on institutional tinkering.

    The Helsinki Final Act locked Russia into the world’s acquis:

    http://www.ohchr.org/EN/ProfessionalInterest/Pages/UniversalHumanRightsInstruments.aspx

    Now Russian law at all levels of government was required by treaty to come into compliance with core human rights commitments. Russia’s rigged US-style institutions had to undergo continual review by treaty bodies, charter bodies, and UN special procedures. Russians’ civil and political rights came under scrutiny by the HRC. Russians’ economic, social, and cultural rights came under scrutiny by ECOSOC. Russia’s human rights institutions came under scrutiny by the International Coordinating Committee (ICC.) The Human Rights Council scrutinized the full scope of the Russian governments obligations and commitments. Russia embraced it.

    The result? Russia outperforms the US government on most objective indicators of human rights. The US is simply not in Russia’s league.

    http://www.ohchr.org/EN/Issues/Indicators/Pages/HRIndicatorsIndex.aspx

    For example, ICCPR article 25 and General Comment 25 set the overarching legal standard for democracy. The USA can’t begin to meet them. After Wikileaks’ publication of the DNC and Podesta emails, can anyone maintain, with a straight face, that US electoral ceremony guarantees the free expression of the will of the electors? Of course not. US parties and elections are painstakingly designed to thwart American voters. Russia complies in good faith with the ICCPR. The USA does not. The treaty body of the Helsinki Final Act, the OSCE, recognized that by assigning a whopping 500 election observers to US elections in 2016. By comparison they sent six to Canada, and to Germany, two.

    Give the Russians time. They’ll leave the US oligarchy further in the dust.

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  8. peterAUS says:

    A good article, IMHO.

    Parts I’ve found the most interesting:

    I’d guess that zealous Russian officials went into overkill hoping to curry favour with the Commander-in-Chief. Alas, this is typical for Russia: the officials know neither limits nor decency in pursuing the perceived goals of their superiors.

    In Iran, the contenders are vetted by a board of ayatollas; in Russia, they are vetted by the Presidential Administration, a non-constitutional body that has sweeping powers over the country’s political life. However, in Iran there is a real struggle between the candidates, albeit moderated by the clergy; while in Russia there is no real struggle.

    This one in particular:

    It would be nice to have a less authoritarian model, but perhaps this model fits Russian national character.

    As for this….doubt it. Very much.

    Let us hope he will use this landslide result as an opening for reforming Russia in the right direction for the benefit of the Russian people.

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  9. Raves says:

    Of course, like most articles about Putin, no evidence is provided.

    I’m sick of fake news. I’m sick of the constant barrage of claims with no evidence. I don’t care who makes them. If you want people to pay any attention, provide evidence. Otherwise, I might as well waste my time watching CNN.

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    said:
    "I'm sick of fake news. I’m sick of the constant barrage of claims with no evidence. I don’t care who makes them. If you want people to pay any attention, provide evidence."

    Then you are ready to jettison belief in the absurdly impossible '6M Jews'.

    Kudos.

    www.codoh.com
    , @Johann
    I find Americans to be total hypocrites. I grew up in Philadelphia where there has not been an unfixed election in over sixty years. I am sure many people from Boston, New York, Baltimore, Detroit, Cleveland, Chicago et alii would agree with me. The American election system has been rigged for years; on the national level you get a Democrat/Socialist ticket or a Republican/Socialist ticket as a choice. We also have a media which is an integral part of the corporate deep state. For Americans to whine about fixed elections is a supreme irony. The EU is no better where you get a choice of Center Left versus Center Right which means you have no real choice. The Russian system is probably ten times more honest than anything that comes out of the so called Free World.
    , @jilles dykstra
    I watch CNN in order to know what the average USA citizens thinks.
    For the same reason I each day look what the Dutch newspaper with the largest circulation writes.
    , @ploni almoni
    What's stopping you?
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  10. Tealc says:

    By the same logic I could write the following about a recent American election.

    “Early returns from east coast cities in Massachusetts and New York City showed Hillary Clinton winning by a comfortable margin. Therefore it is obvious that Trump activated the Tricky Dick Plumbers Unit to falsify election results to achieve his victory.”

    That Hillary won Massachusetts and NYC are fact.
    After that, the above applies the same logic.

    For anyone who’s ever been involved in an election, its obvious that different places, especially across a vast country, have different voting populations and will support different candidates and parties. I’ve worked in American elections, and we knew very well what areas would vote for which candidates and by what margins. Therefore we watched the early returns not on the basis of who won or who lost, but whether we were doing better or worse than expected in those areas. We might get 30% of the vote someplace and greet that news with cheers, or we might get 60% of the vote someplace else and greet that news with groans. It just depends on what we were expecting.

    I don’t know Russia well enough to know these Siberian cities and how they would be expected to vote. However it does not seem unreasonable that they might have a very different voting population than say St. Petersberg or Moscow. And quite likely Sevastopol in the Crimea is different still. But it would take an expert with a detailed knowledge of the history of voting in these areas and recent polling data and reports from the current local campaign to truly understand what these vote totals from these Siberian cities would represent. Its not nearly so simplistic as to say that a candidate ran stronger here therefore the final vote totals are rigged.

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  11. Wally says:
    @Raves
    Of course, like most articles about Putin, no evidence is provided.

    I'm sick of fake news. I'm sick of the constant barrage of claims with no evidence. I don't care who makes them. If you want people to pay any attention, provide evidence. Otherwise, I might as well waste my time watching CNN.

    said:
    “I’m sick of fake news. I’m sick of the constant barrage of claims with no evidence. I don’t care who makes them. If you want people to pay any attention, provide evidence.”

    Then you are ready to jettison belief in the absurdly impossible ’6M Jews’.

    Kudos.

    http://www.codoh.com

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  12. ValmMond says:

    The debates were even worse: Putin was exempt

    And so was Mr. Grudinin who didn’t deign to participate in the debates in person and appointed a proxy instead. As much as I respect Maxim Shevtchenko (the “trusted person” in question) as a polemist and as a public figure, he has serious temper issues, which make him a disastrous debater.

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    Here in the Netherlands today are the municipal elections.
    The leaders of the anti establishment parties, Wilders of PVV, Baudet of Fvd, did not participate in debates.
    They are tired of being demonised.
    Polls show that together these parties, should there be national elections today, they would get nearly thirty seats in our parliament of 150.
    Belgium since a year or so cannot be governed without the anti, that is to say, anti EU, party NVA.
    The chairman of NVA, Bart de Winter, mayor of Antwerpen, is seen as the real prime minister of Belgium.
    The formal one acts like a clown, and looks like a clown.
    , @Anatoly Karlin
    In fairness, although I dislike Grudinin, I recall that he did turn up in person to two of the three debates (IIRC he was occupied with another event during one of them).

    At any rate he was there in the one where Sobchak splashed Zhirik with water, and the one where Zhirik bullycided Sobchak off the stage.
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  13. ” The Russians have called this shameful show Snow White and The Seven Dwarfs. ”
    I can only conclude that the sentence should have been, just reading what Shamir writes himself:
    SOME Russians have called this shameful show Snow White and The Seven Dwarfs.

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  14. @ValmMond

    The debates were even worse: Putin was exempt
     
    And so was Mr. Grudinin who didn't deign to participate in the debates in person and appointed a proxy instead. As much as I respect Maxim Shevtchenko (the "trusted person" in question) as a polemist and as a public figure, he has serious temper issues, which make him a disastrous debater.

    Here in the Netherlands today are the municipal elections.
    The leaders of the anti establishment parties, Wilders of PVV, Baudet of Fvd, did not participate in debates.
    They are tired of being demonised.
    Polls show that together these parties, should there be national elections today, they would get nearly thirty seats in our parliament of 150.
    Belgium since a year or so cannot be governed without the anti, that is to say, anti EU, party NVA.
    The chairman of NVA, Bart de Winter, mayor of Antwerpen, is seen as the real prime minister of Belgium.
    The formal one acts like a clown, and looks like a clown.

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  15. @yurivku
    Well it is honest report of elections which just ended.
    Thank you Israel. You really know what you are wiriting about.

    I didn't vote for VVP, but I do confirm everything - limited faith, outrage in regions, dirty MSM behaviour with respect to Grudinin, fake opposition candidates and Putin's victory.

    I believe that if everything was honest - Grudinin will get 25-30%, and Putin about 60%.

    As far as we all know now are quite hard times to Russia and to the world as a whole. We know that Putin is sane, bright and strong, but I can't see it in US/UK/FR/... elites.

    Let us hope he will use this landslide result as an opening for reforming Russia in the right direction for the benefit of the Russian people.
     
    Let us all hope to survive and hope Putin will help in that.

    ” As far as we all know now are quite hard times to Russia and to the world as a whole. ”

    Why do we have these hard times ?
    Could it be globalisation, western greed, and western aggression ?

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    Why do we have these hard times ?
    Could it be globalisation, western greed, and western aggression ?

     

    Well, probably it can be more clear for those who are attacking and humilating Russia in all directions? The West-ZUS-UK ...

    But I think it's just an agony of Empire seeing the world order is about to change. And yes it's
    "western greed" which have a "western aggression" as a concequence.

    The "globalisation" actually IS that world order which the West trying to establish.
    Russia in all times in all its internal structure was a subject of annexation and submission. But we never agreed and never will do it, until alive. The West is too stupid to get that simple thing to know and leave us to live as we are about to.
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  16. Johann says:
    @Raves
    Of course, like most articles about Putin, no evidence is provided.

    I'm sick of fake news. I'm sick of the constant barrage of claims with no evidence. I don't care who makes them. If you want people to pay any attention, provide evidence. Otherwise, I might as well waste my time watching CNN.

    I find Americans to be total hypocrites. I grew up in Philadelphia where there has not been an unfixed election in over sixty years. I am sure many people from Boston, New York, Baltimore, Detroit, Cleveland, Chicago et alii would agree with me. The American election system has been rigged for years; on the national level you get a Democrat/Socialist ticket or a Republican/Socialist ticket as a choice. We also have a media which is an integral part of the corporate deep state. For Americans to whine about fixed elections is a supreme irony. The EU is no better where you get a choice of Center Left versus Center Right which means you have no real choice. The Russian system is probably ten times more honest than anything that comes out of the so called Free World.

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    • Replies: @annamaria
    The whining is coming for the land of Bush the lesser, Cheney five deferments, Rice mushroom cloud, Chicago-style elections, and the Lobby strict censorship over the US Congress (only Israel-firsters are allowed). Wouldn't it be great if the US first punish her own criminals, including banksters and dual-citizenship spies? Four million civilians -- including a multitude of children -- were slaughtered in the Middle East since 1999 to satisfy the desires of Israel-firsters, MIC, and oilmen. And yet, the major war criminals who pushed for the wars of aggression (a supreme crime) are wondering free: from Bush and Kristol to Clinton and Powers
    , @bluedog
    What do you mean when you say the elections have been fixed for years, the truth is they have been fixed for generations going clear back to Washington, but its way more fun to point fingers at some other person or some other country and cry corruption ,after all its the American way....
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  17. CalDre says:
    @yurivku
    Well it is honest report of elections which just ended.
    Thank you Israel. You really know what you are wiriting about.

    I didn't vote for VVP, but I do confirm everything - limited faith, outrage in regions, dirty MSM behaviour with respect to Grudinin, fake opposition candidates and Putin's victory.

    I believe that if everything was honest - Grudinin will get 25-30%, and Putin about 60%.

    As far as we all know now are quite hard times to Russia and to the world as a whole. We know that Putin is sane, bright and strong, but I can't see it in US/UK/FR/... elites.

    Let us hope he will use this landslide result as an opening for reforming Russia in the right direction for the benefit of the Russian people.
     
    Let us all hope to survive and hope Putin will help in that.

    Thank you Israel. You really know what you are wiriting about.

    Since Israel is a die-hard Communist he will always write pro-Communist, though with some wit and insights. If it were up to him the entire world would be Communist. I am a virulent anti-Communist, and that includes the pseudo-capitalistic oligarchic Bolshevism practiced in the West, but I am at least realistic about the chances of the Globalists/Bolsheviks getting their rich deserts. I.e. pretty damn non-existent.

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    Thank you Israel. You really know what you are wiriting about.
     
    ad hominen detected. Israel really knows as well as I do what is going on here.

    I am a virulent anti-Communist, and that includes the pseudo-capitalistic oligarchic Bolshevism practiced in the West...
     
    It's up to you. But let us (Russians) to decide how we'll build our future. All the problems arise from attempts of the West to transfer its f#cken "values" around the world.
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  18. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    Interesting blog, but it would have been even more so with some verified links supporting Mr. Shamir’s claims, as it is, they’re nothing more than screeds that look like they were written for some foaming at the mouth CNN pseudo-intellectual.

    Guess that’s to be expected from someone who has/goes by at least three different names.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Shamir#Background_and_personal_life

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    Don't know Shamir's background. I am familiar with wikipedia - Judaized/Zionized deception and lies especially against someone who has written like Israel Shamir. FLOWERS OF GALILEE highly recommended. Wikipedia NOT.
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  19. B.F. says:

    Another biased analysis by Israel Shamir, but not as biased as his previous one, which was totally and utterly absurd. Before the elections he wrote an article about Paul Grudinin, the Communist candidate. He found fit to quote liberal websites, who absurdly stated that Grudinin had the backing of 30-80 % of the voters, something he never had. Yes, those British accusations against Putin did make a contribution. Even so, he would have won anyway, again with a large percentage.

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  20. @Raves
    Of course, like most articles about Putin, no evidence is provided.

    I'm sick of fake news. I'm sick of the constant barrage of claims with no evidence. I don't care who makes them. If you want people to pay any attention, provide evidence. Otherwise, I might as well waste my time watching CNN.

    I watch CNN in order to know what the average USA citizens thinks.
    For the same reason I each day look what the Dutch newspaper with the largest circulation writes.

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    "I watch CNN in order to know what the average USA citizens thinks."

    Unless that was meant as sarcasm, you're doing yourself a disservice. CNN is no more a credible source for what the average American thinks than the Soviet-era Pravda was.
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  21. DayWho says:

    Author of this article used very well known tactics of stating % instead of absolute figures. This tactic is used each time someone wants to underestimate or overestimate something hiding real figures which are not in his favor. Far east region and Yakutia are less populated and really not so much important regarding outcome of elections. In fact even in theoretical situation that some other candidate have received 60% of votes in these regions, overall result for Russia would not change so much (most probably would be in the margins of statistical error, if so). Everything else author wrote was gossiping and assumptions so no worth commenting.

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  22. Avery says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Were the results falsified? Probably, up to a point, and quite unnecessarily, too.
     
    They were the cleanest elections since 2004.

    Dmitry Kobak estimates real turnout was 61-62% [official = 68.0%] and that Putin’s real share of the vote was 74-75% [official = 76.7%].

    The first true results coming from the Russian Far East gave over 20% to the Communist, and about 60% to Putin. It seems that the administration overseers who reportedly had backdoor access to the results decided to ‘improve’ them forcefully. The results received after that were already adjusted for desired numbers.
     
    But this proves nothing. Different candidates do differently across different regions.

    For instance, here is a more plausible explanation: https://kireev.livejournal.com/1446391.html

    My guess is that true un-cooked results would be between 18% and 25% for the Communist, and correspondingly, around 60-65% for the incumbent, still good enough for Putin’s outright win, but not good enough for his zealous aides.
     
    Your estimate almost tallies with Navalny's 55%. :)

    The veteran nationalist leader Vladimir Zhirinovsky got less than 6%. So much for the predictions of my esteemed colleague Anatoly Karlin: he quoted VTSIOM’s prognoses of 6% for Grudinin and 7% for Zhirinovsky (or other way around) as reliable numbers.
     
    I predicted 9.7% for Grudinin (actual: 11.8%) and 7.8% for Zhirinovsky (actual: 5.7%). Hardly a major mistake considering everything else - including by far the two most important figures, Putin and turnout - were within 1%, and in the case of turnout accurate to within 0.1%.

    Still a complete failure for the commies. Lowest Presidential election result ever (even lower than the non-entity Kharitonov in 2014); differential between their candidate and Zhirik is now down to 2x, from 3x in 2012, despite Grudinin's peeling off some liberal and even nationalist voters.

    Also a liar - went back on his promise to shave his mustache in the event that he got less than 15%.

    Considering the DNC machine rigged the Democratic primaries and derailed Bernie Sanders’ run, and considering the entire Establishment came out in force to defeat Trump (e.g. Donna Brazile admitting she shared debate questions with Clinton campaign….. leaked audios, false accusations,….which are still ongoing…..), whatever shenanigans Putin campaign was involved in seem like the proverbial nothingburger.

    In comparison, Russian presidential elections appear to be far more democratic and clean than the putrid swamp the American presidential elections have become.

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    Aside from the obvious legalized bribery (Citizens United), the absolute control of the corrupt 2-party system, the oligarchic and utterly undemocratic mass media, etc., we also had the case in 2000 that a bunch of unelected dictators-for-life "decided" the US election, clearly unlawfully. Bush vs. Gore.

    Yes, US is in no position to be lecturing anybody about "democracy". But US is not short on chutzpah in any political realm.
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  23. As usual, UNZ offers a different and interesting point of view.
    But Mr. Shamir’s analysis lacks crucial information.

    First, I am missing a clear rejection of dictator and war criminal Putin’s politics.
    (We reject the American regime. Why not treat the Russian regime equally?)

    Second, we are not sure whether the same elite might be in control of both, the American and the Russian regime, since they seem to stabalize themselves and both exploit their population.

    Third, Mr. Shamir touches to lightly the possibility of the other parties being controlled opposition (by the Kremlin). In this case the election would be a complete scam. We need to be aware of how professionally the Russian gangster state is fooling their people. Mr. Putin’s image is a complete media invention. He is an only 1,70 Meter small guy who used to be an unimportant KGB spy. Yet the Russian people see him riding horses and supposedly making smart business decisions. He probably isn’t even making the decisions. In this regard, Trump is less ridiculous because at least everyone knows how ridiculous he is.

    Fourth, how the hell can the Communist party still be a thing?

    Which brings me to, Five, we need to start holding the Russian people accountable for their gouvernment. If they glorify Stalin and still keep Lenin’s body in a mausoleum for visiting, if they accept their criminal leadership, if they spend more money on scam wonder healers than doctors, and if they keep spending money on weapons of mass destruction, then they deserve what’s comming at them.

    This does not mean war, but even more economical sanctions. At the moment the world is driving towards a new Cold War. And it’s not only the US that’s to blame for it.

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    {Which brings me to, Five, we need to start holding the Russian people accountable for their gouvernment. }

    Who is this "we", homes?
    Which public office did you get elected to to speak on behalf of anybody.
    And before youse bloviate about holding Russian people accountable (sic) for anything, make sure to you hold voters in US and UK accountable for all the death and destruction they have unleashed on multitudes all over the globe.

    btw: go ahead and try, quote "...holding Russian people accountable" from the safety and comfort of your office. Better yet, man up, go to Russia and try to hold one or more local Cossacks who voted for Putin "accountable". Let the readers of unz.com know how you did. Don't forget to post selfies of youse being horse-whipped by your local friendly Cossack hosts.

    , @AOL
    @Alexander Peters, pro tip: nowadays nobody falls for the trick of putting unsupported assertions in the predicate of the sentence. That doesn't actually make it more convincing. It might work at a site that's not run by a physicist for people with a proper liberal education. But here, not so much.

    Another pro tip: demonizing the leader is kind of trite, having been tried with mixed success on Saddam, Kim, Qaddafy, Arafat, Khomeni, Khameni, Amedinejad, Amejinedinejinejanejad and so on. All the foreign devils just blur into one another and our eyes glaze over. It also sounds as if you never heard of СБРФ. That is who's eating your lunch. In fact you can't talk sense without considering the state as a whole.

    To that end, here are some documented facts about the Russian state.

    http://www.ohchr.org/EN/countries/ENACARegion/Pages/RUIndex.aspx

    In these documents, prepared by civil society and international experts acting in their personal capacity, you will find actual issues worth thinking about. Not Putin is short, or he rides a horse. You can readily compare those issues to America's, or Israel's, or Ukraine's, to understand just where Russia fits in terms of all the legal duties the state bears.
    , @annamaria
    "We reject the American regime. Why not treat the Russian regime equally?"
    -- And why "we" should treat them equally? The American "regime" has been thoroughly zionized so that an expression of patriotism by the US brass is looked upon as a great courage: http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2018/03/votel-mattis-and-dunford-must-be-on-the-same-page.html
    Comment section: "...all these statements by Votel are true and it took a good deal of courage to make them in public." -- Get it? Just stating truthfully that Syria has won a civil war is an anathema to the Lobby and it takes a great personal courage by a four-star general in the United States Army who has been commander of United States Central Command to testify the truth for the US Congress.
    Russain Federation is an independent state. The US is ZUSA - Ziocon United States of America. Ukraine has become the Kaganat of Nuland, and the UK has become a personal estate of the Friends of Israel. For example, Boris Johnson proclaimed himself a committed Zionist: http://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/boris-johnson-zionist/
    Boris Johnson, Theresa May, and Gavin Williamson are not working for the UK citizens -- they are working for the Lobby (The Friends of Israel), which explains their indecency re Skripal affair. They are defaming the United Kingdom with their behavior: https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2018/03/21/uk-ambassador-craig-murray-asks-aware-fact/
    , @ploni almoni
    Very funny.
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  24. Noah Way says:

    Pure, baseless speculation with a slant. Why don’t you turn your focus on the US election system? Stop looking elsewhere for problems, there are more than enough right here.

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  25. yurivku says:
    @jilles dykstra
    " As far as we all know now are quite hard times to Russia and to the world as a whole. "

    Why do we have these hard times ?
    Could it be globalisation, western greed, and western aggression ?

    Why do we have these hard times ?
    Could it be globalisation, western greed, and western aggression ?

    Well, probably it can be more clear for those who are attacking and humilating Russia in all directions? The West-ZUS-UK …

    But I think it’s just an agony of Empire seeing the world order is about to change. And yes it’s
    “western greed” which have a “western aggression” as a concequence.

    The “globalisation” actually IS that world order which the West trying to establish.
    Russia in all times in all its internal structure was a subject of annexation and submission. But we never agreed and never will do it, until alive. The West is too stupid to get that simple thing to know and leave us to live as we are about to.

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  26. bjondo says:

    International observers, some 1500, certified a clean election. Cleaner than any election in the west.

    2020, USA will need 1500 – 2500 non-western, election observers for NYC alone.

    The Russsian citizens, 76-78%, approved Mr. Putin for 6 more years.

    Western mouths are foaming.

    Choke on your skunk foam that goes with your skunk odor from your skunk sweat. Called skunk water but it is weaponized sweat to stink up the world.

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  27. yurivku says:
    @CalDre

    Thank you Israel. You really know what you are wiriting about.
     
    Since Israel is a die-hard Communist he will always write pro-Communist, though with some wit and insights. If it were up to him the entire world would be Communist. I am a virulent anti-Communist, and that includes the pseudo-capitalistic oligarchic Bolshevism practiced in the West, but I am at least realistic about the chances of the Globalists/Bolsheviks getting their rich deserts. I.e. pretty damn non-existent.

    Thank you Israel. You really know what you are wiriting about.

    ad hominen detected. Israel really knows as well as I do what is going on here.

    I am a virulent anti-Communist, and that includes the pseudo-capitalistic oligarchic Bolshevism practiced in the West…

    It’s up to you. But let us (Russians) to decide how we’ll build our future. All the problems arise from attempts of the West to transfer its f#cken “values” around the world.

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    ad hominen detected. Israel really knows as well as I do what is going on here.
     
    So if he is living in Jaffa, Stockholm and Moscow (in which order?), how does he find so much time to spend in Yakut and get the pulse of the place? Russia is a big place to travel around, with many different languages, cultures, etc. And many people have many opinions. Spare us the "I know Russia" crap. All you have is your opinion.

    But let us (Russians) to decide how we’ll build our future.
     
    First of all it is not me that is interfering in anything in Russia. But Israel, what is he, Israeli, Swede, Russian, something else? Anybody know? He seems to try to influence much more. But that's OK with you as he is Communist, yes?

    All the problems arise from attempts of the West to transfer its f#cken “values” around the world.
     
    Even if that were true, "Communism" is most definitely a "Western value". Or didn't they teach you that in your grade school?
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  28. Avery says:
    @Alexander Peters
    As usual, UNZ offers a different and interesting point of view.
    But Mr. Shamir's analysis lacks crucial information.

    First, I am missing a clear rejection of dictator and war criminal Putin's politics.
    (We reject the American regime. Why not treat the Russian regime equally?)

    Second, we are not sure whether the same elite might be in control of both, the American and the Russian regime, since they seem to stabalize themselves and both exploit their population.

    Third, Mr. Shamir touches to lightly the possibility of the other parties being controlled opposition (by the Kremlin). In this case the election would be a complete scam. We need to be aware of how professionally the Russian gangster state is fooling their people. Mr. Putin's image is a complete media invention. He is an only 1,70 Meter small guy who used to be an unimportant KGB spy. Yet the Russian people see him riding horses and supposedly making smart business decisions. He probably isn't even making the decisions. In this regard, Trump is less ridiculous because at least everyone knows how ridiculous he is.

    Fourth, how the hell can the Communist party still be a thing?

    Which brings me to, Five, we need to start holding the Russian people accountable for their gouvernment. If they glorify Stalin and still keep Lenin's body in a mausoleum for visiting, if they accept their criminal leadership, if they spend more money on scam wonder healers than doctors, and if they keep spending money on weapons of mass destruction, then they deserve what's comming at them.

    This does not mean war, but even more economical sanctions. At the moment the world is driving towards a new Cold War. And it's not only the US that's to blame for it.

    {Which brings me to, Five, we need to start holding the Russian people accountable for their gouvernment. }

    Who is this “we”, homes?
    Which public office did you get elected to to speak on behalf of anybody.
    And before youse bloviate about holding Russian people accountable (sic) for anything, make sure to you hold voters in US and UK accountable for all the death and destruction they have unleashed on multitudes all over the globe.

    btw: go ahead and try, quote “…holding Russian people accountable” from the safety and comfort of your office. Better yet, man up, go to Russia and try to hold one or more local Cossacks who voted for Putin “accountable”. Let the readers of unz.com know how you did. Don’t forget to post selfies of youse being horse-whipped by your local friendly Cossack hosts.

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  29. Thank God for Putin for standing up for Christians in Syria and defending Syria against the terrorist ISIS aka AL CIADA invaders of Syria which are a creation of the Zionist controlled U.S. and ISRAEL and BRITAIN, via the CIA and the MOSSAD and MI6.

    Putin is standing against the zionist NWO and for this the people of the world should be grateful.

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  30. AOL says:
    @Alexander Peters
    As usual, UNZ offers a different and interesting point of view.
    But Mr. Shamir's analysis lacks crucial information.

    First, I am missing a clear rejection of dictator and war criminal Putin's politics.
    (We reject the American regime. Why not treat the Russian regime equally?)

    Second, we are not sure whether the same elite might be in control of both, the American and the Russian regime, since they seem to stabalize themselves and both exploit their population.

    Third, Mr. Shamir touches to lightly the possibility of the other parties being controlled opposition (by the Kremlin). In this case the election would be a complete scam. We need to be aware of how professionally the Russian gangster state is fooling their people. Mr. Putin's image is a complete media invention. He is an only 1,70 Meter small guy who used to be an unimportant KGB spy. Yet the Russian people see him riding horses and supposedly making smart business decisions. He probably isn't even making the decisions. In this regard, Trump is less ridiculous because at least everyone knows how ridiculous he is.

    Fourth, how the hell can the Communist party still be a thing?

    Which brings me to, Five, we need to start holding the Russian people accountable for their gouvernment. If they glorify Stalin and still keep Lenin's body in a mausoleum for visiting, if they accept their criminal leadership, if they spend more money on scam wonder healers than doctors, and if they keep spending money on weapons of mass destruction, then they deserve what's comming at them.

    This does not mean war, but even more economical sanctions. At the moment the world is driving towards a new Cold War. And it's not only the US that's to blame for it.

    , pro tip: nowadays nobody falls for the trick of putting unsupported assertions in the predicate of the sentence. That doesn’t actually make it more convincing. It might work at a site that’s not run by a physicist for people with a proper liberal education. But here, not so much.

    Another pro tip: demonizing the leader is kind of trite, having been tried with mixed success on Saddam, Kim, Qaddafy, Arafat, Khomeni, Khameni, Amedinejad, Amejinedinejinejanejad and so on. All the foreign devils just blur into one another and our eyes glaze over. It also sounds as if you never heard of СБРФ. That is who’s eating your lunch. In fact you can’t talk sense without considering the state as a whole.

    To that end, here are some documented facts about the Russian state.

    http://www.ohchr.org/EN/countries/ENACARegion/Pages/RUIndex.aspx

    In these documents, prepared by civil society and international experts acting in their personal capacity, you will find actual issues worth thinking about. Not Putin is short, or he rides a horse. You can readily compare those issues to America’s, or Israel’s, or Ukraine’s, to understand just where Russia fits in terms of all the legal duties the state bears.

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    Big error! Demonizing works very well. Just look at how Trump is portrayed by the media, academia, entertainment and a large part of the GOP.
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  31. The idea that Putin staged the British attack so as to generate a nationalist backlash in the election had crossed my mind. It probably had some effect and that led to the overkill the author is referring to. The fact that Both Putin’s and Grudinin’s results were significantly out of line with the polls suggests rigging on behalf of both of them, all the more so as the results obtained by the other candidates were essentially what the polls predicted. More importantly, though, Putin has (once again!) shot himself in the foot. Nobody really beleives the official results, including the voter turnout, but even if you take the official numbers, the election has been pretty much a disaster for him. Only about half the electorate voted for him, with about one third refusing to vote at all, in spite of inducements and pressures, with about 17% voting for the various other candidates. From now on, therefore, claims by Putin’s American supporters that he enjoys massive popular support will be laughed out of court. Roughly one Russian in two wants to see the last of him! Some of that is due to his hanging on too long. He has now been in effective power for 19 years and people are just bored with him. That happened to Thatcher after 11 years. Merkel is more or less finished after 13 years and even his most loyal supporters were glad to see François Mitterrand go after 14 years. Desire for change is part of human nature. For that very reason, I don’t see Putin staying until 2024.

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    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    The elections were only out of line with online "polls" brigaded by Grudinin's supporters, not with official polls or exit polls.

    If Putin with 51% of the vote of all Russian eligible voters is illegitimate, then what does that make Trump whom only 25% of American voters supported?
    , @Anonymous
    80 US Senators have been in office for at least 20 years. Hillary Clinton routinely boasted of 40+ years in politics. Perhaps the desire for change is smothered in the USA too.
    , @NoseytheDuke
    When you state that an idea crossed your mind, how on earth do you measure a time span of such a super short duration? Is it a nano second or one and a half?
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  32. Mr. Hack says:

    those who identified themselves as Jewish left for Israel. There they learned that the Jews do not consider them being members of the Chosen People, and many of them trekked back to Russia, cured of their illusions.

    Mr. Shamir – I am hoping that you could clarify just how large the Russian/Ukrainian Jewish immigration is in Israel? A Greek friend of mine is under the impression that it’s quite large, and that many of these non ‘Chosen people’ have become Orthodox Christians. He also feels that Putin, as the new ‘Protector of Orthodoxy’ has much influence over these Jews in the Holyland? Any figures, any thoughts?…

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  33. @jilles dykstra
    I watch CNN in order to know what the average USA citizens thinks.
    For the same reason I each day look what the Dutch newspaper with the largest circulation writes.

    “I watch CNN in order to know what the average USA citizens thinks.”

    Unless that was meant as sarcasm, you’re doing yourself a disservice. CNN is no more a credible source for what the average American thinks than the Soviet-era Pravda was.

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    You're truly delusional if you think CNN does NOT represent average American thinking, at least a large paart of it. Last week I suffered through a luncheon of 5 mature adults extolling Rachel Maddow. Sickening.
    , @jilles dykstra
    Alas, I stayed with USA friends, well educated middle class, where CNN was the only 'news' source.
    Three other USA acquaintances I visited in their homes, cannot remember having seen a newspaper other than a local one about marriages and funerals.
    The USA reminded me of the Peking court, that, when British warships were reported on the coast, responded with 'there had been so many pirates already'.
    In the Badlands, in a very small café, I identified myself as Dutch, from Holland, Netherlands.
    When all this did not ring bell I mentioned Europe, the first time in my life.
    This was understood.
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  34. RobinG says:
    @Twodees Partain
    "I watch CNN in order to know what the average USA citizens thinks."

    Unless that was meant as sarcasm, you're doing yourself a disservice. CNN is no more a credible source for what the average American thinks than the Soviet-era Pravda was.

    You’re truly delusional if you think CNN does NOT represent average American thinking, at least a large paart of it. Last week I suffered through a luncheon of 5 mature adults extolling Rachel Maddow. Sickening.

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    Anon from TN
    Maybe I overestimate American citizens (I work at a top-rate University and communicate mostly with faculty and grad students), but I’d like to come to their defense. CNN (as well as FOX news, NYT, and other MSM) represent the views of the lower half of US citizens by IQ. As far as I can tell, blatant lies of Western propaganda achieved among the people with brains the same result as the Soviet propaganda: even if they state something truthful for a change, people would doubt that.
    , @Twodees Partain
    No, Robin, I'm not delusional. CNN is the news source of choice for libtards, and I do not consider libtards "average Americans".

    Please seek help with your anger issues. Everyone who disagrees with your views isn't delusional, and you don't know everything about everything. You can go take your pill now.
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  35. EugeneGur says:

    Were the results falsified? Probably, up to a point,

    What an idiotic habit of saying thing when you have no evidence whatsoever to back them up. As they say, put up or shut up.

    Based on everything I know the elections were as clean as any elections could ever be. My personal sampling, however limited, also tells me that people went not just to vote, but to vote for Putin. The recent activity of our friends in West succeeded in mobilizing specifically Putin’s electorate.

    And sociologist prognoses are of little value nowadays: they are tools of psychological warfare against the voter.

    Of course not – particularly, if you don’t like the results.

    In the far-away Yakut province, with its mind-boggling frost of minus 35 ° below zero, the Communist contender has got almost 30% of the vote. …On the other side, in the notoriously dishonest and despotic Muslim republic of Chechnya the contender was given less than 5%.

    Yes, Chechnya is notoriously dishonest and despotic, but Yakutya is a paragon of democracy. Really, Mr. Shamir? It’s amazing how indulgence in wishful thinking can easily destroy even decent analytic abilities.

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    Yakutia used to commit heavy electoral fraud (though not anywhere near Chechnya's rates, where this was total), but they became clean during these elections.

    Ethnic minorities in Russia tend to vote more Communist (absent fraud).
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  36. @Israel Shamir
    Here is good one, alas in Russian https://pdsnpsr.ru/posts/politicheskie-issledovaniya/otkuda-u-putina-76-6-golosov-i-byli-li-oni-na-samom-dele_20032018

    Looks like this year’s example of the (fake) 146% for Putin meme.

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  37. @ValmMond

    The debates were even worse: Putin was exempt
     
    And so was Mr. Grudinin who didn't deign to participate in the debates in person and appointed a proxy instead. As much as I respect Maxim Shevtchenko (the "trusted person" in question) as a polemist and as a public figure, he has serious temper issues, which make him a disastrous debater.

    In fairness, although I dislike Grudinin, I recall that he did turn up in person to two of the three debates (IIRC he was occupied with another event during one of them).

    At any rate he was there in the one where Sobchak splashed Zhirik with water, and the one where Zhirik bullycided Sobchak off the stage.

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  38. AnonFromTN [AKA "Anon"] says:

    Anon from TN
    Fact is, Western stupidity and grotesque lies of Western propaganda did more for Putin’s electoral success that pro-Putin propaganda. Speak of unintended consequences. In 2013 Putin’s approval hovered at ~45%. Nazi coup in Ukraine and reunification with Crimea increased it to 65-70%. Recent British hysterics, where the versions change every day, each new one more fantastic than the preceding ones, with more gaping holes in it, added another 5% at least. Officially, Putin got more than 76% of the vote with participation of more than 67% of eligible voters. This time around he did not need any underhanded tricks. Thus, more than 51% of eligible voters supported him. This is the level Western politicians can’t even dream of: Trump was elected by 26% of eligible voters, Merkel’s party got even less. Even if Mr. Shamir’s numbers are correct, Putin got higher fraction of the votes than any Western politician in living memory. Putin should thank Trump, May, Merkel, Macron, and others for his resounding electoral success.
    As to Mr. Karlin, who pretends to be a pro-Russian blogger, he was wrong, as usual. Nothing new there.

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    ... who pretends to be a pro-Russian blogger, he was wrong, as usual. Nothing new there.
     
    Yes, only a mere third out of 58 people (with the best prediction of Putin's result).

    Completely wrong and useless, as always.
    , @Anonymous
    Putin and Trump are controversial puppets that serve respective national interests. Trump puppet is a return to the swagger of the ugly American. Putin is composed and ruthless because people end up dead after a button is pushed or something every American remembers from grade school propaganda. Both puppets have fan bases around the world and in each of their countries. Each country tries to show its own citizens and the rest of the world how honest and true their fake money drenched voting frauds are. The most Democratic and free countries where the sheep have a vote are incidentally the world's leading weapons manufacturers: US, Russia and China.
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  39. AnonFromTN [AKA "Anon"] says:
    @RobinG
    You're truly delusional if you think CNN does NOT represent average American thinking, at least a large paart of it. Last week I suffered through a luncheon of 5 mature adults extolling Rachel Maddow. Sickening.

    Anon from TN
    Maybe I overestimate American citizens (I work at a top-rate University and communicate mostly with faculty and grad students), but I’d like to come to their defense. CNN (as well as FOX news, NYT, and other MSM) represent the views of the lower half of US citizens by IQ. As far as I can tell, blatant lies of Western propaganda achieved among the people with brains the same result as the Soviet propaganda: even if they state something truthful for a change, people would doubt that.

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    Is it possible you just communicate with the top 5% USA people with regard to IQ ?
    Or even a lower % ?
    One of the shocking events of my life was when I was summoned for being tested for compulsory military service, it was in 1961, if I remember correctly.
    The group that was there was, I suppose a representative sample of the Dutch.
    My idea 'a bunch of imbeciles'.
    Just having had contact with gymnasium and university people, my idea of the average Dutch clearly was all wrong.
    I must have forgotten by then primary school, where it was about the same.
    I met people with the same shock.
    , @RobinG
    You are in a tiny bubble, and just because your small, smart sample seems "woke," don't imagine IQ is any barometer for resistance to group-think and propaganda.

    Furthermore, don't assume that humans, high IQ or otherwise, are capable of extrapolation. My lunch group was composed of Christian activists who have [each] spent decades advocating for Palestinians. They are intimately aware of how propaganda has biased Americans for Israel. They have seen the film, Occupation of the American Mind. They know that only by persistent clever marketing, the Zionists sold the fraudulent "noble little Israel" myth.

    And yet, they accept unquestioningly the MSM fake news about ANY OTHER SUBJECT. I find this particularly galling, but I believe it's a form of denial they use because the cognitive dissonance would be just too much to bear.
    , @Sin City Milla
    I spend hours each day in a lunch spot that blares CNN. I always turn my back to the screen n put on headphones since I don't have time to re-verify simple facts like the sky is blue, facts which PravdCNN constantly seeks to bring into doubt.

    From my backward seat I get to observe the lunchgoers as they consume CNN-fare along with their lunch-fare, without myself having the misfortune of having to hear CNN or see the screen.

    What I see is extraordinary. People of all sorts sit n eat n stare with goggle eyes clearly sinking into an hypnotic state. Some stare with their mouths open. Some even forget to eat. Many become agitated n after leaving rush back to view the screen a second time. The shop employees are obsessed with it n often run to the screen to turn up the volume as if some great world crisis were erupting. Others swear n curse. This goes on for hours. Professional types, middle class people, even bums pause from their prohibited panhandling all stop n stare n absorb n clearly believe whatever the heck the screen is saying. None ever read books, they just sit n stare n react.

    On those rare occasions when I waste a moment by turning to look at the screen to verify that WW3 has truly broken out, all I ever see is Wolf Blitzer holding sheets of paper n the word Trump inching across the screen. I always regret wasting the moment turning to look when I could have read a few more words in my book.

    Indoctrination via habituation n hypnosis seems to be the chief message of CNN. When I check genuine news sources later on I always find that WW3 did not break out, that Trump is still the President, that the sky is actually blue n not green or red or polka dot n has not magically transformed itself into cloud images of the Martyr Hillary in Gaea sympathy with PC Cultists' lamentations.
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  40. @Michael Kenny
    The idea that Putin staged the British attack so as to generate a nationalist backlash in the election had crossed my mind. It probably had some effect and that led to the overkill the author is referring to. The fact that Both Putin's and Grudinin's results were significantly out of line with the polls suggests rigging on behalf of both of them, all the more so as the results obtained by the other candidates were essentially what the polls predicted. More importantly, though, Putin has (once again!) shot himself in the foot. Nobody really beleives the official results, including the voter turnout, but even if you take the official numbers, the election has been pretty much a disaster for him. Only about half the electorate voted for him, with about one third refusing to vote at all, in spite of inducements and pressures, with about 17% voting for the various other candidates. From now on, therefore, claims by Putin's American supporters that he enjoys massive popular support will be laughed out of court. Roughly one Russian in two wants to see the last of him! Some of that is due to his hanging on too long. He has now been in effective power for 19 years and people are just bored with him. That happened to Thatcher after 11 years. Merkel is more or less finished after 13 years and even his most loyal supporters were glad to see François Mitterrand go after 14 years. Desire for change is part of human nature. For that very reason, I don't see Putin staying until 2024.

    The elections were only out of line with online “polls” brigaded by Grudinin’s supporters, not with official polls or exit polls.

    If Putin with 51% of the vote of all Russian eligible voters is illegitimate, then what does that make Trump whom only 25% of American voters supported?

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  41. @Twodees Partain
    "I watch CNN in order to know what the average USA citizens thinks."

    Unless that was meant as sarcasm, you're doing yourself a disservice. CNN is no more a credible source for what the average American thinks than the Soviet-era Pravda was.

    Alas, I stayed with USA friends, well educated middle class, where CNN was the only ‘news’ source.
    Three other USA acquaintances I visited in their homes, cannot remember having seen a newspaper other than a local one about marriages and funerals.
    The USA reminded me of the Peking court, that, when British warships were reported on the coast, responded with ‘there had been so many pirates already’.
    In the Badlands, in a very small café, I identified myself as Dutch, from Holland, Netherlands.
    When all this did not ring bell I mentioned Europe, the first time in my life.
    This was understood.

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    Anon from TN
    Now, that I believe. Due to dismal school system (purely parochial, no national standards, local boards full of ignoramuses decide what kids are taught in school) too many Americans sincerely believe that the world consists of three roughly equal parts: Main street, out-of-town, and overseas. I guess the election results in the last few decades show this clearly.
    , @Twodees Partain
    Jilles, maybe your American friends are simply ignorant and easily fooled. That is the type of people who make CNN their sole source of news. This doesn't make them average Americans, just CNN fans.

    If I came to visit a friend in Holland, and based my opinion of all Nederlanders on that friend and three others like him that I met while there, would you agree with me if I said that the average person in the Netherlands thought like my friend and his three friends?
    , @Anon
    It’s the “ well educated middle “ class who watch and believe CNN and the rest of the liberal propaganda channels.

    They are the brainwashed morons who believe what they see on TV and in the
    “Quality” press; NYTimes, The Nation Atlantic, New Republic etc.

    If you want to know what the really intelligent Americans who know that all the quality press and CNN are just a lot of lying propaganda,think, keep hanging out in this site, Amren vdare and you will find dissident realistic truthful news.

    Of course these sites are kept going by uneducated redneck hillbilly manual workers and other deplorable losers to immigrant workers at all levels from dishwasher to Dr.

    The more educated an American is, the more he or she believes CNN and the rest of the lying press.
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  42. @EugeneGur

    Were the results falsified? Probably, up to a point,
     
    What an idiotic habit of saying thing when you have no evidence whatsoever to back them up. As they say, put up or shut up.

    Based on everything I know the elections were as clean as any elections could ever be. My personal sampling, however limited, also tells me that people went not just to vote, but to vote for Putin. The recent activity of our friends in West succeeded in mobilizing specifically Putin's electorate.


    And sociologist prognoses are of little value nowadays: they are tools of psychological warfare against the voter.
     
    Of course not - particularly, if you don't like the results.

    In the far-away Yakut province, with its mind-boggling frost of minus 35 ° below zero, the Communist contender has got almost 30% of the vote. ...On the other side, in the notoriously dishonest and despotic Muslim republic of Chechnya the contender was given less than 5%.
     
    Yes, Chechnya is notoriously dishonest and despotic, but Yakutya is a paragon of democracy. Really, Mr. Shamir? It's amazing how indulgence in wishful thinking can easily destroy even decent analytic abilities.

    Yakutia used to commit heavy electoral fraud (though not anywhere near Chechnya’s rates, where this was total), but they became clean during these elections.

    Ethnic minorities in Russia tend to vote more Communist (absent fraud).

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  43. @AnonFromTN
    Anon from TN
    Fact is, Western stupidity and grotesque lies of Western propaganda did more for Putin’s electoral success that pro-Putin propaganda. Speak of unintended consequences. In 2013 Putin’s approval hovered at ~45%. Nazi coup in Ukraine and reunification with Crimea increased it to 65-70%. Recent British hysterics, where the versions change every day, each new one more fantastic than the preceding ones, with more gaping holes in it, added another 5% at least. Officially, Putin got more than 76% of the vote with participation of more than 67% of eligible voters. This time around he did not need any underhanded tricks. Thus, more than 51% of eligible voters supported him. This is the level Western politicians can’t even dream of: Trump was elected by 26% of eligible voters, Merkel’s party got even less. Even if Mr. Shamir’s numbers are correct, Putin got higher fraction of the votes than any Western politician in living memory. Putin should thank Trump, May, Merkel, Macron, and others for his resounding electoral success.
    As to Mr. Karlin, who pretends to be a pro-Russian blogger, he was wrong, as usual. Nothing new there.

    … who pretends to be a pro-Russian blogger, he was wrong, as usual. Nothing new there.

    Yes, only a mere third out of 58 people (with the best prediction of Putin’s result).

    Completely wrong and useless, as always.

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    Anon from TN
    As the Romans used to say (sometimes this phrase is claimed to belong to Prometheus), “Iuppiter iratus ergo nefas” (Jupiter, you are angry, therefore you are wrong).
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  44. bjondo says:
    @Greg Bacon
    Interesting blog, but it would have been even more so with some verified links supporting Mr. Shamir's claims, as it is, they're nothing more than screeds that look like they were written for some foaming at the mouth CNN pseudo-intellectual.

    Guess that's to be expected from someone who has/goes by at least three different names.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Shamir#Background_and_personal_life

    Don’t know Shamir’s background. I am familiar with wikipedia – Judaized/Zionized deception and lies especially against someone who has written like Israel Shamir. FLOWERS OF GALILEE highly recommended. Wikipedia NOT.

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    He's jew born in Russia.
    His parents went to Israel, what then was his age I do not know.
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  45. AnonFromTN [AKA "Anon"] says:
    @jilles dykstra
    Alas, I stayed with USA friends, well educated middle class, where CNN was the only 'news' source.
    Three other USA acquaintances I visited in their homes, cannot remember having seen a newspaper other than a local one about marriages and funerals.
    The USA reminded me of the Peking court, that, when British warships were reported on the coast, responded with 'there had been so many pirates already'.
    In the Badlands, in a very small café, I identified myself as Dutch, from Holland, Netherlands.
    When all this did not ring bell I mentioned Europe, the first time in my life.
    This was understood.

    Anon from TN
    Now, that I believe. Due to dismal school system (purely parochial, no national standards, local boards full of ignoramuses decide what kids are taught in school) too many Americans sincerely believe that the world consists of three roughly equal parts: Main street, out-of-town, and overseas. I guess the election results in the last few decades show this clearly.

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  46. AnonFromTN [AKA "Anon"] says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    ... who pretends to be a pro-Russian blogger, he was wrong, as usual. Nothing new there.
     
    Yes, only a mere third out of 58 people (with the best prediction of Putin's result).

    Completely wrong and useless, as always.

    Anon from TN
    As the Romans used to say (sometimes this phrase is claimed to belong to Prometheus), “Iuppiter iratus ergo nefas” (Jupiter, you are angry, therefore you are wrong).

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    Are people not entitled to a little indignation if they are unreasonably slighted?
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  47. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    If elections resulted in real change, the Russians and Yankees wouldn’t have them. All theater for the zombies, aka the voting class. Only zombies would argue over the merits of the candidates. The US needs very little from its citizens. These includes obedience, widespread ignorance and the unquestioned belief they live in a Democracy because voting happens.

    The best slaves are the ones that lack the intelligence to recognize their own slavery. The happiest slaves know that voting is a rigged sham but don’t care because the right master leads them.

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    Or it could be that a nation such as Russia has yet to untangle some several hundred years of central authority style leadership and taking on democratic principle is just not as breezy as assumed.


    As such Russia still gravitates towards "a strong man" style of leadership. And Pres Putin is a reasonable, seasoned, astute strong leader, who doesn't fold in the face of adversity.

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  48. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @AnonFromTN
    Anon from TN
    Fact is, Western stupidity and grotesque lies of Western propaganda did more for Putin’s electoral success that pro-Putin propaganda. Speak of unintended consequences. In 2013 Putin’s approval hovered at ~45%. Nazi coup in Ukraine and reunification with Crimea increased it to 65-70%. Recent British hysterics, where the versions change every day, each new one more fantastic than the preceding ones, with more gaping holes in it, added another 5% at least. Officially, Putin got more than 76% of the vote with participation of more than 67% of eligible voters. This time around he did not need any underhanded tricks. Thus, more than 51% of eligible voters supported him. This is the level Western politicians can’t even dream of: Trump was elected by 26% of eligible voters, Merkel’s party got even less. Even if Mr. Shamir’s numbers are correct, Putin got higher fraction of the votes than any Western politician in living memory. Putin should thank Trump, May, Merkel, Macron, and others for his resounding electoral success.
    As to Mr. Karlin, who pretends to be a pro-Russian blogger, he was wrong, as usual. Nothing new there.

    Putin and Trump are controversial puppets that serve respective national interests. Trump puppet is a return to the swagger of the ugly American. Putin is composed and ruthless because people end up dead after a button is pushed or something every American remembers from grade school propaganda. Both puppets have fan bases around the world and in each of their countries. Each country tries to show its own citizens and the rest of the world how honest and true their fake money drenched voting frauds are. The most Democratic and free countries where the sheep have a vote are incidentally the world’s leading weapons manufacturers: US, Russia and China.

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    Anon from TN
    There is one little problem with your claim: in China, people are not allowed to choose national leaders, even via fake vote. Another is that Putin enjoys much greater genuine support in Russia than Trump in the US, Merkel in Germany, or Macron in France, not to mention pathetic lame duck May in the UK. I don’t know how widespread is the support of Xi in China, but it can’t be lower that that of Trump, Merkel, or May in their countries. Personally, I am no fan of Putin, but I admire his ability to win kudos for Russia with a fairly weak hand (Xi also tends to win kudos for his country, but his cards are much stronger). This most likely explains Western hysteria.
    , @jilles dykstra
    In my opinion, if any political leader is not a puppet, it is Putin.
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  49. @Anonymous
    If elections resulted in real change, the Russians and Yankees wouldn't have them. All theater for the zombies, aka the voting class. Only zombies would argue over the merits of the candidates. The US needs very little from its citizens. These includes obedience, widespread ignorance and the unquestioned belief they live in a Democracy because voting happens.

    The best slaves are the ones that lack the intelligence to recognize their own slavery. The happiest slaves know that voting is a rigged sham but don't care because the right master leads them.

    Or it could be that a nation such as Russia has yet to untangle some several hundred years of central authority style leadership and taking on democratic principle is just not as breezy as assumed.

    As such Russia still gravitates towards “a strong man” style of leadership. And Pres Putin is a reasonable, seasoned, astute strong leader, who doesn’t fold in the face of adversity.

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    As such Russia still gravitates towards “a strong man” style of leadership.
     
    Ironically it was the US and its ((advisers)) that first handed all of the Russian wealth over to the ((oligarchs)), and then, later, supported Yeltsin when he illegally dissolved the Rada and arrested their leaders (generally known as the 1993 Russian constitutional crisis) (they had also supported him earlier, back when he was only President of the Russian Soviet Socialist Republic and Gorbachev was head honcho, when Yeltsin sent tanks to bomb the Rada/Parliament, during the so-called "August coup"). As a result, so that "their man" had all the authority he needed to crush any dissent, the US and "West" fully supported the "authoritarian" Constitution adopted later that year to cement Yeltsin's powers.

    But of course now they blame Putin and the "Russian character" for it. Because, you know, that is how the "West" rolls.


    taking on democratic principle is just not as breezy as assumed
     
    Yes and that is why there is not one country, aside perhaps from Switzerland, that is even remotely democratic. The US is an utter oligarchic tyranny. Some other countries in Europe may have some minimal claim at a semblance of democracy but it all collapses under closer scrutiny. Heck many European countries still have their monarchies, including, probably in the most extreme form, the UK.
    , @EugeneGur

    Russia has yet to untangle some several hundred years of central authority style leadership and taking on democratic principle is just not as breezy as assumed.
     
    This is such a cliche phrase. Could you specify where exactly do you see stellar examples of "democratic principles" ? In the UK with its unelected upper chamber of the parliament and the Prime Minister, also not elected directly by the citizens? In the US, with its two-party system in indirect elections? In Australis, with its compulsory voting?

    Today's Russia is as democratic as any Western country, more so than some. Whatever peculiarities our political system has is due to our history, the same as in any other country. The same as in the UK, with their "constitutional" monarchy in the absence of actual constitution. The same as in the US, with their voting system designed by Founding Fathers. Russia is large and divers; some centralized authority is needed to keep it together structurally and mentally, that is all.
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  50. CalDre says:
    @Avery
    Considering the DNC machine rigged the Democratic primaries and derailed Bernie Sanders' run, and considering the entire Establishment came out in force to defeat Trump (e.g. Donna Brazile admitting she shared debate questions with Clinton campaign..... leaked audios, false accusations,....which are still ongoing.....), whatever shenanigans Putin campaign was involved in seem like the proverbial nothingburger.

    In comparison, Russian presidential elections appear to be far more democratic and clean than the putrid swamp the American presidential elections have become.

    Aside from the obvious legalized bribery (Citizens United), the absolute control of the corrupt 2-party system, the oligarchic and utterly undemocratic mass media, etc., we also had the case in 2000 that a bunch of unelected dictators-for-life “decided” the US election, clearly unlawfully. Bush vs. Gore.

    Yes, US is in no position to be lecturing anybody about “democracy”. But US is not short on chutzpah in any political realm.

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  51. AnonFromTN [AKA "Anon"] says:

    Anon from TN
    For the sake of the majority of readers who don’t speak Russian Mr. Shamir should have translated the poster shown in the picture. It says on one side “March 18, 2018”, and on the other “Strong president – strong Russia!” Without Western meddling in Syria and Ukraine this slogan would have been useless. The effect of Western propaganda is clearly reflected in the fact that more than 84% of voters residing outside Russia chose Putin, much more than those residing in the country (less than 77%). Mr. Shamir also should have mentioned that March 18 was not just a random date: it was the fourth anniversary of Crimea rejoining Russia. As could be expected, in Crimea and the city of Sevastopol, the fraction of Putin vote was even greater than in the rest of Russia, more than 90%. The people there remember who they should thank for their escape from the Ukrainian madhouse. All these little tricks certainly helped Putin, but this help was predicated on an insane anti-Putin propaganda campaign in the West. I am saying insane for a reason. Russian people have learned their lesson: there will never be another Yeltsin or Gorbachev in Russia. In fact, the West will rue the day Putin is gone.

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  52. CalDre says:
    @yurivku

    Thank you Israel. You really know what you are wiriting about.
     
    ad hominen detected. Israel really knows as well as I do what is going on here.

    I am a virulent anti-Communist, and that includes the pseudo-capitalistic oligarchic Bolshevism practiced in the West...
     
    It's up to you. But let us (Russians) to decide how we'll build our future. All the problems arise from attempts of the West to transfer its f#cken "values" around the world.

    ad hominen detected. Israel really knows as well as I do what is going on here.

    So if he is living in Jaffa, Stockholm and Moscow (in which order?), how does he find so much time to spend in Yakut and get the pulse of the place? Russia is a big place to travel around, with many different languages, cultures, etc. And many people have many opinions. Spare us the “I know Russia” crap. All you have is your opinion.

    But let us (Russians) to decide how we’ll build our future.

    First of all it is not me that is interfering in anything in Russia. But Israel, what is he, Israeli, Swede, Russian, something else? Anybody know? He seems to try to influence much more. But that’s OK with you as he is Communist, yes?

    All the problems arise from attempts of the West to transfer its f#cken “values” around the world.

    Even if that were true, “Communism” is most definitely a “Western value”. Or didn’t they teach you that in your grade school?

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    First of all it is not me that is interfering in anything in Russia. But Israel, what is he, Israeli, Swede, Russian, something else? Anybody know? He seems to try to influence much more. But that’s OK with you as he is Communist, yes?

     

    He is journalist/columnist that writes around monthly for Komsomolskaya Pravda in Russia. I was surprised he answers questions here. As for his name - he is actually anti-Israel, ironically.
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  53. AnonFromTN [AKA "Anon"] says:
    @Anonymous
    Putin and Trump are controversial puppets that serve respective national interests. Trump puppet is a return to the swagger of the ugly American. Putin is composed and ruthless because people end up dead after a button is pushed or something every American remembers from grade school propaganda. Both puppets have fan bases around the world and in each of their countries. Each country tries to show its own citizens and the rest of the world how honest and true their fake money drenched voting frauds are. The most Democratic and free countries where the sheep have a vote are incidentally the world's leading weapons manufacturers: US, Russia and China.

    Anon from TN
    There is one little problem with your claim: in China, people are not allowed to choose national leaders, even via fake vote. Another is that Putin enjoys much greater genuine support in Russia than Trump in the US, Merkel in Germany, or Macron in France, not to mention pathetic lame duck May in the UK. I don’t know how widespread is the support of Xi in China, but it can’t be lower that that of Trump, Merkel, or May in their countries. Personally, I am no fan of Putin, but I admire his ability to win kudos for Russia with a fairly weak hand (Xi also tends to win kudos for his country, but his cards are much stronger). This most likely explains Western hysteria.

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    Dishonesty, hysteria and russophobia of the West helps to propel Putin's support among Russians during elections. If it hadn't been for the West Putin support might have sunk long ago. What do we have as a result? Even if the elections were rigged a bit the second and the third candidate with the most voter support are definitively not pro-Western.
    Here's piece of news about Russia https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/03/21/us-russian-crew-blasts-of-for-the-iss-from-kazakhstan/ If Russians are so evil why do we collaborate with them? Why do we use their help to send astronauts to space? But most mainstream media doesn't report news like this. Instead we get constant bashing of Russia in the media, Russian collusion, Russian meddling in the US elections, chemical attack in Syria, Russians intelligence services (or whoever) killing people in London etc.
    How about proper investigation, fact checking, trying to be impartial for a sec in order to find the actual offender? Nah, too hard. Let's just show some photos of children in Syria and bomb the sh*t out of Assad. Or declare murder in London as Russian attack on UK sovereignty and expel all Russian diplomats.
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  54. prusmc says: • Website
    @AOL
    @Alexander Peters, pro tip: nowadays nobody falls for the trick of putting unsupported assertions in the predicate of the sentence. That doesn't actually make it more convincing. It might work at a site that's not run by a physicist for people with a proper liberal education. But here, not so much.

    Another pro tip: demonizing the leader is kind of trite, having been tried with mixed success on Saddam, Kim, Qaddafy, Arafat, Khomeni, Khameni, Amedinejad, Amejinedinejinejanejad and so on. All the foreign devils just blur into one another and our eyes glaze over. It also sounds as if you never heard of СБРФ. That is who's eating your lunch. In fact you can't talk sense without considering the state as a whole.

    To that end, here are some documented facts about the Russian state.

    http://www.ohchr.org/EN/countries/ENACARegion/Pages/RUIndex.aspx

    In these documents, prepared by civil society and international experts acting in their personal capacity, you will find actual issues worth thinking about. Not Putin is short, or he rides a horse. You can readily compare those issues to America's, or Israel's, or Ukraine's, to understand just where Russia fits in terms of all the legal duties the state bears.

    Big error! Demonizing works very well. Just look at how Trump is portrayed by the media, academia, entertainment and a large part of the GOP.

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    Trump does make it easy for them.
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  55. CalDre says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    Or it could be that a nation such as Russia has yet to untangle some several hundred years of central authority style leadership and taking on democratic principle is just not as breezy as assumed.


    As such Russia still gravitates towards "a strong man" style of leadership. And Pres Putin is a reasonable, seasoned, astute strong leader, who doesn't fold in the face of adversity.

    As such Russia still gravitates towards “a strong man” style of leadership.

    Ironically it was the US and its ((advisers)) that first handed all of the Russian wealth over to the ((oligarchs)), and then, later, supported Yeltsin when he illegally dissolved the Rada and arrested their leaders (generally known as the 1993 Russian constitutional crisis) (they had also supported him earlier, back when he was only President of the Russian Soviet Socialist Republic and Gorbachev was head honcho, when Yeltsin sent tanks to bomb the Rada/Parliament, during the so-called “August coup”). As a result, so that “their man” had all the authority he needed to crush any dissent, the US and “West” fully supported the “authoritarian” Constitution adopted later that year to cement Yeltsin’s powers.

    But of course now they blame Putin and the “Russian character” for it. Because, you know, that is how the “West” rolls.

    taking on democratic principle is just not as breezy as assumed

    Yes and that is why there is not one country, aside perhaps from Switzerland, that is even remotely democratic. The US is an utter oligarchic tyranny. Some other countries in Europe may have some minimal claim at a semblance of democracy but it all collapses under closer scrutiny. Heck many European countries still have their monarchies, including, probably in the most extreme form, the UK.

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  56. EugeneGur says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    Or it could be that a nation such as Russia has yet to untangle some several hundred years of central authority style leadership and taking on democratic principle is just not as breezy as assumed.


    As such Russia still gravitates towards "a strong man" style of leadership. And Pres Putin is a reasonable, seasoned, astute strong leader, who doesn't fold in the face of adversity.

    Russia has yet to untangle some several hundred years of central authority style leadership and taking on democratic principle is just not as breezy as assumed.

    This is such a cliche phrase. Could you specify where exactly do you see stellar examples of “democratic principles” ? In the UK with its unelected upper chamber of the parliament and the Prime Minister, also not elected directly by the citizens? In the US, with its two-party system in indirect elections? In Australis, with its compulsory voting?

    Today’s Russia is as democratic as any Western country, more so than some. Whatever peculiarities our political system has is due to our history, the same as in any other country. The same as in the UK, with their “constitutional” monarchy in the absence of actual constitution. The same as in the US, with their voting system designed by Founding Fathers. Russia is large and divers; some centralized authority is needed to keep it together structurally and mentally, that is all.

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  57. annamaria says:
    @Johann
    I find Americans to be total hypocrites. I grew up in Philadelphia where there has not been an unfixed election in over sixty years. I am sure many people from Boston, New York, Baltimore, Detroit, Cleveland, Chicago et alii would agree with me. The American election system has been rigged for years; on the national level you get a Democrat/Socialist ticket or a Republican/Socialist ticket as a choice. We also have a media which is an integral part of the corporate deep state. For Americans to whine about fixed elections is a supreme irony. The EU is no better where you get a choice of Center Left versus Center Right which means you have no real choice. The Russian system is probably ten times more honest than anything that comes out of the so called Free World.

    The whining is coming for the land of Bush the lesser, Cheney five deferments, Rice mushroom cloud, Chicago-style elections, and the Lobby strict censorship over the US Congress (only Israel-firsters are allowed). Wouldn’t it be great if the US first punish her own criminals, including banksters and dual-citizenship spies? Four million civilians — including a multitude of children — were slaughtered in the Middle East since 1999 to satisfy the desires of Israel-firsters, MIC, and oilmen. And yet, the major war criminals who pushed for the wars of aggression (a supreme crime) are wondering free: from Bush and Kristol to Clinton and Powers

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  58. @bjondo
    Don't know Shamir's background. I am familiar with wikipedia - Judaized/Zionized deception and lies especially against someone who has written like Israel Shamir. FLOWERS OF GALILEE highly recommended. Wikipedia NOT.

    He’s jew born in Russia.
    His parents went to Israel, what then was his age I do not know.

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  59. bluedog says:
    @Johann
    I find Americans to be total hypocrites. I grew up in Philadelphia where there has not been an unfixed election in over sixty years. I am sure many people from Boston, New York, Baltimore, Detroit, Cleveland, Chicago et alii would agree with me. The American election system has been rigged for years; on the national level you get a Democrat/Socialist ticket or a Republican/Socialist ticket as a choice. We also have a media which is an integral part of the corporate deep state. For Americans to whine about fixed elections is a supreme irony. The EU is no better where you get a choice of Center Left versus Center Right which means you have no real choice. The Russian system is probably ten times more honest than anything that comes out of the so called Free World.

    What do you mean when you say the elections have been fixed for years, the truth is they have been fixed for generations going clear back to Washington, but its way more fun to point fingers at some other person or some other country and cry corruption ,after all its the American way….

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  60. annamaria says:
    @Alexander Peters
    As usual, UNZ offers a different and interesting point of view.
    But Mr. Shamir's analysis lacks crucial information.

    First, I am missing a clear rejection of dictator and war criminal Putin's politics.
    (We reject the American regime. Why not treat the Russian regime equally?)

    Second, we are not sure whether the same elite might be in control of both, the American and the Russian regime, since they seem to stabalize themselves and both exploit their population.

    Third, Mr. Shamir touches to lightly the possibility of the other parties being controlled opposition (by the Kremlin). In this case the election would be a complete scam. We need to be aware of how professionally the Russian gangster state is fooling their people. Mr. Putin's image is a complete media invention. He is an only 1,70 Meter small guy who used to be an unimportant KGB spy. Yet the Russian people see him riding horses and supposedly making smart business decisions. He probably isn't even making the decisions. In this regard, Trump is less ridiculous because at least everyone knows how ridiculous he is.

    Fourth, how the hell can the Communist party still be a thing?

    Which brings me to, Five, we need to start holding the Russian people accountable for their gouvernment. If they glorify Stalin and still keep Lenin's body in a mausoleum for visiting, if they accept their criminal leadership, if they spend more money on scam wonder healers than doctors, and if they keep spending money on weapons of mass destruction, then they deserve what's comming at them.

    This does not mean war, but even more economical sanctions. At the moment the world is driving towards a new Cold War. And it's not only the US that's to blame for it.

    “We reject the American regime. Why not treat the Russian regime equally?”
    – And why “we” should treat them equally? The American “regime” has been thoroughly zionized so that an expression of patriotism by the US brass is looked upon as a great courage: http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2018/03/votel-mattis-and-dunford-must-be-on-the-same-page.html
    Comment section: “…all these statements by Votel are true and it took a good deal of courage to make them in public.” — Get it? Just stating truthfully that Syria has won a civil war is an anathema to the Lobby and it takes a great personal courage by a four-star general in the United States Army who has been commander of United States Central Command to testify the truth for the US Congress.
    Russain Federation is an independent state. The US is ZUSA – Ziocon United States of America. Ukraine has become the Kaganat of Nuland, and the UK has become a personal estate of the Friends of Israel. For example, Boris Johnson proclaimed himself a committed Zionist: http://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/boris-johnson-zionist/
    Boris Johnson, Theresa May, and Gavin Williamson are not working for the UK citizens — they are working for the Lobby (The Friends of Israel), which explains their indecency re Skripal affair. They are defaming the United Kingdom with their behavior: https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2018/03/21/uk-ambassador-craig-murray-asks-aware-fact/

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  61. @AnonFromTN
    Anon from TN
    Maybe I overestimate American citizens (I work at a top-rate University and communicate mostly with faculty and grad students), but I’d like to come to their defense. CNN (as well as FOX news, NYT, and other MSM) represent the views of the lower half of US citizens by IQ. As far as I can tell, blatant lies of Western propaganda achieved among the people with brains the same result as the Soviet propaganda: even if they state something truthful for a change, people would doubt that.

    Is it possible you just communicate with the top 5% USA people with regard to IQ ?
    Or even a lower % ?
    One of the shocking events of my life was when I was summoned for being tested for compulsory military service, it was in 1961, if I remember correctly.
    The group that was there was, I suppose a representative sample of the Dutch.
    My idea ‘a bunch of imbeciles’.
    Just having had contact with gymnasium and university people, my idea of the average Dutch clearly was all wrong.
    I must have forgotten by then primary school, where it was about the same.
    I met people with the same shock.

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    Anon from TN
    You may be right, all 27 years in the US I communicated with the smartest people in the country, at Universities, research institutes, and scientific meetings. I only encounter hoi polloi when I drive through the middle of nowhere, like Arkansas, Kansas, Oklahoma, Kentucky, Tennessee, or Indiana, and only briefly at gas stations or in roadside eateries. It is usually pretty bad, “a bunch of imbeciles”, using your expression. I have a feeling that a representative sample of common people I encountered in school in what now is Lugansk Republic was smarter. But I might be wrong, that was so long ago.
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  62. @prusmc
    Big error! Demonizing works very well. Just look at how Trump is portrayed by the media, academia, entertainment and a large part of the GOP.

    Trump does make it easy for them.

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  63. Well one thing is certainly clear, the poison didn’t act like a fourth generation military grade chemical weapon should act, especially if super-evil Putin-assassin-bots actually planned this shit. I mean a failure rate of 1 out of 2, hit me, maybe they like to sail close to the wind with dosage, but both?!

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  64. AnonFromTN [AKA "Anon"] says:
    @jilles dykstra
    Is it possible you just communicate with the top 5% USA people with regard to IQ ?
    Or even a lower % ?
    One of the shocking events of my life was when I was summoned for being tested for compulsory military service, it was in 1961, if I remember correctly.
    The group that was there was, I suppose a representative sample of the Dutch.
    My idea 'a bunch of imbeciles'.
    Just having had contact with gymnasium and university people, my idea of the average Dutch clearly was all wrong.
    I must have forgotten by then primary school, where it was about the same.
    I met people with the same shock.

    Anon from TN
    You may be right, all 27 years in the US I communicated with the smartest people in the country, at Universities, research institutes, and scientific meetings. I only encounter hoi polloi when I drive through the middle of nowhere, like Arkansas, Kansas, Oklahoma, Kentucky, Tennessee, or Indiana, and only briefly at gas stations or in roadside eateries. It is usually pretty bad, “a bunch of imbeciles”, using your expression. I have a feeling that a representative sample of common people I encountered in school in what now is Lugansk Republic was smarter. But I might be wrong, that was so long ago.

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    Again, with the IQ - university trope? It's largely irrelevant.
    , @jilles dykstra
    What surprised me most in the USA was, when staying at the homes of USA friends with good, even university education, was their ignorance.
    A former university history professor talked to me about the USA Civil War, he was flabbergasted when I showed little interest, stating that in Europe we had had wars all the time.
    A more or less well known USA writer, of non fiction, I saw reading the Readers Digest.
    A high school teacher just watched CNN.
    On the other hand, in e mail discussions with USA veterans, Korea and Vietnam, they knew quite well how they had been fooled, even, Vietnam, how the USA had committed war crimes.
    But who in the USA understands that FDR wanted war since he was brought into politics, 1932, ad deliberately provoked Pearl Harbour ?
    Yet the books explaining this, written by USA historians, or for example in the diaries of Lindbergh, exist.
    Who read the diaries of Harold L Ickes, where one can find that Britain had to pay the price of the Balfour Declaration, in order to be saved from capitulation in November 1917 ?
    But let me admit, before retirement gave me the opportunity to read widely, I also did not doubt what quality media told us.
    I now see our media as the Germans see theirs, Lügenpresse, literally 'lies press'.
    In reaction the EU has begun censoring internet, fake news.
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  65. Dmitry says:
    @CalDre

    ad hominen detected. Israel really knows as well as I do what is going on here.
     
    So if he is living in Jaffa, Stockholm and Moscow (in which order?), how does he find so much time to spend in Yakut and get the pulse of the place? Russia is a big place to travel around, with many different languages, cultures, etc. And many people have many opinions. Spare us the "I know Russia" crap. All you have is your opinion.

    But let us (Russians) to decide how we’ll build our future.
     
    First of all it is not me that is interfering in anything in Russia. But Israel, what is he, Israeli, Swede, Russian, something else? Anybody know? He seems to try to influence much more. But that's OK with you as he is Communist, yes?

    All the problems arise from attempts of the West to transfer its f#cken “values” around the world.
     
    Even if that were true, "Communism" is most definitely a "Western value". Or didn't they teach you that in your grade school?

    First of all it is not me that is interfering in anything in Russia. But Israel, what is he, Israeli, Swede, Russian, something else? Anybody know? He seems to try to influence much more. But that’s OK with you as he is Communist, yes?

    He is journalist/columnist that writes around monthly for Komsomolskaya Pravda in Russia. I was surprised he answers questions here. As for his name – he is actually anti-Israel, ironically.

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  66. RobinG says:
    @AnonFromTN
    Anon from TN
    Maybe I overestimate American citizens (I work at a top-rate University and communicate mostly with faculty and grad students), but I’d like to come to their defense. CNN (as well as FOX news, NYT, and other MSM) represent the views of the lower half of US citizens by IQ. As far as I can tell, blatant lies of Western propaganda achieved among the people with brains the same result as the Soviet propaganda: even if they state something truthful for a change, people would doubt that.

    You are in a tiny bubble, and just because your small, smart sample seems “woke,” don’t imagine IQ is any barometer for resistance to group-think and propaganda.

    Furthermore, don’t assume that humans, high IQ or otherwise, are capable of extrapolation. My lunch group was composed of Christian activists who have [each] spent decades advocating for Palestinians. They are intimately aware of how propaganda has biased Americans for Israel. They have seen the film, Occupation of the American Mind. They know that only by persistent clever marketing, the Zionists sold the fraudulent “noble little Israel” myth.

    And yet, they accept unquestioningly the MSM fake news about ANY OTHER SUBJECT. I find this particularly galling, but I believe it’s a form of denial they use because the cognitive dissonance would be just too much to bear.

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  67. RobinG says:
    @AnonFromTN
    Anon from TN
    You may be right, all 27 years in the US I communicated with the smartest people in the country, at Universities, research institutes, and scientific meetings. I only encounter hoi polloi when I drive through the middle of nowhere, like Arkansas, Kansas, Oklahoma, Kentucky, Tennessee, or Indiana, and only briefly at gas stations or in roadside eateries. It is usually pretty bad, “a bunch of imbeciles”, using your expression. I have a feeling that a representative sample of common people I encountered in school in what now is Lugansk Republic was smarter. But I might be wrong, that was so long ago.

    Again, with the IQ – university trope? It’s largely irrelevant.

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    Anon from TN
    IQ in my comments is just a shorthand for intellectual ability. It does not mean that I believe in it. I was on the admissions committee of our umbrella graduate program long enough to know that IQ, GRE, or SAT scores mean exactly nothing. At best, they reflect the effort people put into preparation to these tests, but have no predictive value whatsoever.
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  68. AnonFromTN [AKA "Anon"] says:
    @RobinG
    Again, with the IQ - university trope? It's largely irrelevant.

    Anon from TN
    IQ in my comments is just a shorthand for intellectual ability. It does not mean that I believe in it. I was on the admissions committee of our umbrella graduate program long enough to know that IQ, GRE, or SAT scores mean exactly nothing. At best, they reflect the effort people put into preparation to these tests, but have no predictive value whatsoever.

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    @Michael Kenny
    The idea that Putin staged the British attack so as to generate a nationalist backlash in the election had crossed my mind. It probably had some effect and that led to the overkill the author is referring to. The fact that Both Putin's and Grudinin's results were significantly out of line with the polls suggests rigging on behalf of both of them, all the more so as the results obtained by the other candidates were essentially what the polls predicted. More importantly, though, Putin has (once again!) shot himself in the foot. Nobody really beleives the official results, including the voter turnout, but even if you take the official numbers, the election has been pretty much a disaster for him. Only about half the electorate voted for him, with about one third refusing to vote at all, in spite of inducements and pressures, with about 17% voting for the various other candidates. From now on, therefore, claims by Putin's American supporters that he enjoys massive popular support will be laughed out of court. Roughly one Russian in two wants to see the last of him! Some of that is due to his hanging on too long. He has now been in effective power for 19 years and people are just bored with him. That happened to Thatcher after 11 years. Merkel is more or less finished after 13 years and even his most loyal supporters were glad to see François Mitterrand go after 14 years. Desire for change is part of human nature. For that very reason, I don't see Putin staying until 2024.

    80 US Senators have been in office for at least 20 years. Hillary Clinton routinely boasted of 40+ years in politics. Perhaps the desire for change is smothered in the USA too.

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  70. @RobinG
    You're truly delusional if you think CNN does NOT represent average American thinking, at least a large paart of it. Last week I suffered through a luncheon of 5 mature adults extolling Rachel Maddow. Sickening.

    No, Robin, I’m not delusional. CNN is the news source of choice for libtards, and I do not consider libtards “average Americans”.

    Please seek help with your anger issues. Everyone who disagrees with your views isn’t delusional, and you don’t know everything about everything. You can go take your pill now.

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  71. @jilles dykstra
    Alas, I stayed with USA friends, well educated middle class, where CNN was the only 'news' source.
    Three other USA acquaintances I visited in their homes, cannot remember having seen a newspaper other than a local one about marriages and funerals.
    The USA reminded me of the Peking court, that, when British warships were reported on the coast, responded with 'there had been so many pirates already'.
    In the Badlands, in a very small café, I identified myself as Dutch, from Holland, Netherlands.
    When all this did not ring bell I mentioned Europe, the first time in my life.
    This was understood.

    Jilles, maybe your American friends are simply ignorant and easily fooled. That is the type of people who make CNN their sole source of news. This doesn’t make them average Americans, just CNN fans.

    If I came to visit a friend in Holland, and based my opinion of all Nederlanders on that friend and three others like him that I met while there, would you agree with me if I said that the average person in the Netherlands thought like my friend and his three friends?

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    No.
    We yesterday had our municipal elections, and our last referendum, the law that makes referenda possible has been abolished.
    For 'good' reason, any time we can vote in a referendum we vote against government policy, without any effect.
    2005 we voted against the EU, two years ago against the EU Ukraine association treaty, this, the last time, against the law that makes it possible for our secret services to spy legally on anyone.
    The result of ignoring us was clear yesterday, the big losers were the national governing parties, the winners local parties.
    Like Germany and Belgium, it becomes more and more difficult to govern our country.
    In all three countries it took more than half a year to form a stable government, in our case, as with the two previous Rutte governments, with a parliamentary majority of one seat.
    Next year we have our provincial elections, in fact elections for the higher, and smaller second parliament.
    I expect that will be the end of Rutte, what then will emerge; no idea.
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  72. @Raves
    Of course, like most articles about Putin, no evidence is provided.

    I'm sick of fake news. I'm sick of the constant barrage of claims with no evidence. I don't care who makes them. If you want people to pay any attention, provide evidence. Otherwise, I might as well waste my time watching CNN.

    What’s stopping you?

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  73. @Alexander Peters
    As usual, UNZ offers a different and interesting point of view.
    But Mr. Shamir's analysis lacks crucial information.

    First, I am missing a clear rejection of dictator and war criminal Putin's politics.
    (We reject the American regime. Why not treat the Russian regime equally?)

    Second, we are not sure whether the same elite might be in control of both, the American and the Russian regime, since they seem to stabalize themselves and both exploit their population.

    Third, Mr. Shamir touches to lightly the possibility of the other parties being controlled opposition (by the Kremlin). In this case the election would be a complete scam. We need to be aware of how professionally the Russian gangster state is fooling their people. Mr. Putin's image is a complete media invention. He is an only 1,70 Meter small guy who used to be an unimportant KGB spy. Yet the Russian people see him riding horses and supposedly making smart business decisions. He probably isn't even making the decisions. In this regard, Trump is less ridiculous because at least everyone knows how ridiculous he is.

    Fourth, how the hell can the Communist party still be a thing?

    Which brings me to, Five, we need to start holding the Russian people accountable for their gouvernment. If they glorify Stalin and still keep Lenin's body in a mausoleum for visiting, if they accept their criminal leadership, if they spend more money on scam wonder healers than doctors, and if they keep spending money on weapons of mass destruction, then they deserve what's comming at them.

    This does not mean war, but even more economical sanctions. At the moment the world is driving towards a new Cold War. And it's not only the US that's to blame for it.

    Very funny.

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  74. @Michael Kenny
    The idea that Putin staged the British attack so as to generate a nationalist backlash in the election had crossed my mind. It probably had some effect and that led to the overkill the author is referring to. The fact that Both Putin's and Grudinin's results were significantly out of line with the polls suggests rigging on behalf of both of them, all the more so as the results obtained by the other candidates were essentially what the polls predicted. More importantly, though, Putin has (once again!) shot himself in the foot. Nobody really beleives the official results, including the voter turnout, but even if you take the official numbers, the election has been pretty much a disaster for him. Only about half the electorate voted for him, with about one third refusing to vote at all, in spite of inducements and pressures, with about 17% voting for the various other candidates. From now on, therefore, claims by Putin's American supporters that he enjoys massive popular support will be laughed out of court. Roughly one Russian in two wants to see the last of him! Some of that is due to his hanging on too long. He has now been in effective power for 19 years and people are just bored with him. That happened to Thatcher after 11 years. Merkel is more or less finished after 13 years and even his most loyal supporters were glad to see François Mitterrand go after 14 years. Desire for change is part of human nature. For that very reason, I don't see Putin staying until 2024.

    When you state that an idea crossed your mind, how on earth do you measure a time span of such a super short duration? Is it a nano second or one and a half?

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  75. karlof1 says:

    I find it rather interesting that none of the comments address the last part of Shamir’s article. If it’s correct, the Brits made a very nasty error that shows the true nature of their establishment.

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  76. Paw says:
    @The Alarmist
    77% is hardly Stalin- or Enver Hoxha territory, but yes, I guess they over-egged the pudding.

    I am sure that Putin would win election in every country in the world for even much less , what he did in Russia…He is the only one. No competition . I repeat , no competition for Putin.
    And they not only voted for him but they got already plenty of improvement back.
    More that they dreamed.. First normal ruler and excellent one.
    Russia is now a showcase of democracy.
    If Xenia have a nice looking mother , everything is possible …
    /Even good treatment, in the cruel election fights/.
    Swamp is now dried in Moscow…

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  77. @AnonFromTN
    Anon from TN
    Maybe I overestimate American citizens (I work at a top-rate University and communicate mostly with faculty and grad students), but I’d like to come to their defense. CNN (as well as FOX news, NYT, and other MSM) represent the views of the lower half of US citizens by IQ. As far as I can tell, blatant lies of Western propaganda achieved among the people with brains the same result as the Soviet propaganda: even if they state something truthful for a change, people would doubt that.

    I spend hours each day in a lunch spot that blares CNN. I always turn my back to the screen n put on headphones since I don’t have time to re-verify simple facts like the sky is blue, facts which PravdCNN constantly seeks to bring into doubt.

    From my backward seat I get to observe the lunchgoers as they consume CNN-fare along with their lunch-fare, without myself having the misfortune of having to hear CNN or see the screen.

    What I see is extraordinary. People of all sorts sit n eat n stare with goggle eyes clearly sinking into an hypnotic state. Some stare with their mouths open. Some even forget to eat. Many become agitated n after leaving rush back to view the screen a second time. The shop employees are obsessed with it n often run to the screen to turn up the volume as if some great world crisis were erupting. Others swear n curse. This goes on for hours. Professional types, middle class people, even bums pause from their prohibited panhandling all stop n stare n absorb n clearly believe whatever the heck the screen is saying. None ever read books, they just sit n stare n react.

    On those rare occasions when I waste a moment by turning to look at the screen to verify that WW3 has truly broken out, all I ever see is Wolf Blitzer holding sheets of paper n the word Trump inching across the screen. I always regret wasting the moment turning to look when I could have read a few more words in my book.

    Indoctrination via habituation n hypnosis seems to be the chief message of CNN. When I check genuine news sources later on I always find that WW3 did not break out, that Trump is still the President, that the sky is actually blue n not green or red or polka dot n has not magically transformed itself into cloud images of the Martyr Hillary in Gaea sympathy with PC Cultists’ lamentations.

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    What I see is extraordinary. People of all sorts sit n eat n stare with goggle eyes clearly sinking into an hypnotic state. Some stare with their mouths open. Some even forget to eat. Many become agitated n after leaving rush back to view the screen a second time. The shop employees are obsessed with it n often run to the screen to turn up the volume as if some great world crisis were erupting. Others swear n curse. This goes on for hours. Professional types, middle class people, even bums pause from their prohibited panhandling all stop n stare n absorb n clearly believe whatever the heck the screen is saying. None ever read books, they just sit n stare n react.
     
    Yup.
    People who at least try to think are squeezed between those you described and sociopaths/psychopats in power.

    I, personally, actually don't still know who to blame for that predicament and, more importantly, is there is a point anyway.

    Most like, it is just what it is, like sky is blue etc.

    I truly believe that all that would work just fine save that Oppenheimer's invention '45.
    That...thing....created the problem.
    The "mind" you described above having thermonuclear weapons. Just.....not.......good.
    , @AnonFromTN
    Anon from TN
    Good description how the propaganda works. The ways and mechanisms are exactly the same in the USA, UK, Germany, etc., as they were in the USSR.
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  78. @Twodees Partain
    Jilles, maybe your American friends are simply ignorant and easily fooled. That is the type of people who make CNN their sole source of news. This doesn't make them average Americans, just CNN fans.

    If I came to visit a friend in Holland, and based my opinion of all Nederlanders on that friend and three others like him that I met while there, would you agree with me if I said that the average person in the Netherlands thought like my friend and his three friends?

    No.
    We yesterday had our municipal elections, and our last referendum, the law that makes referenda possible has been abolished.
    For ‘good’ reason, any time we can vote in a referendum we vote against government policy, without any effect.
    2005 we voted against the EU, two years ago against the EU Ukraine association treaty, this, the last time, against the law that makes it possible for our secret services to spy legally on anyone.
    The result of ignoring us was clear yesterday, the big losers were the national governing parties, the winners local parties.
    Like Germany and Belgium, it becomes more and more difficult to govern our country.
    In all three countries it took more than half a year to form a stable government, in our case, as with the two previous Rutte governments, with a parliamentary majority of one seat.
    Next year we have our provincial elections, in fact elections for the higher, and smaller second parliament.
    I expect that will be the end of Rutte, what then will emerge; no idea.

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    Well, thanks for that first word, which was at least a reply to my question.
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  79. @AnonFromTN
    Anon from TN
    You may be right, all 27 years in the US I communicated with the smartest people in the country, at Universities, research institutes, and scientific meetings. I only encounter hoi polloi when I drive through the middle of nowhere, like Arkansas, Kansas, Oklahoma, Kentucky, Tennessee, or Indiana, and only briefly at gas stations or in roadside eateries. It is usually pretty bad, “a bunch of imbeciles”, using your expression. I have a feeling that a representative sample of common people I encountered in school in what now is Lugansk Republic was smarter. But I might be wrong, that was so long ago.

    What surprised me most in the USA was, when staying at the homes of USA friends with good, even university education, was their ignorance.
    A former university history professor talked to me about the USA Civil War, he was flabbergasted when I showed little interest, stating that in Europe we had had wars all the time.
    A more or less well known USA writer, of non fiction, I saw reading the Readers Digest.
    A high school teacher just watched CNN.
    On the other hand, in e mail discussions with USA veterans, Korea and Vietnam, they knew quite well how they had been fooled, even, Vietnam, how the USA had committed war crimes.
    But who in the USA understands that FDR wanted war since he was brought into politics, 1932, ad deliberately provoked Pearl Harbour ?
    Yet the books explaining this, written by USA historians, or for example in the diaries of Lindbergh, exist.
    Who read the diaries of Harold L Ickes, where one can find that Britain had to pay the price of the Balfour Declaration, in order to be saved from capitulation in November 1917 ?
    But let me admit, before retirement gave me the opportunity to read widely, I also did not doubt what quality media told us.
    I now see our media as the Germans see theirs, Lügenpresse, literally ‘lies press’.
    In reaction the EU has begun censoring internet, fake news.

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    Anon from TN
    Well, it is Lügenpresse everywhere. It cannot be anything else when the same elites wholly own MSM and all branches of government. Founding Fathers must be turning in their graves.
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  80. @Anonymous
    Putin and Trump are controversial puppets that serve respective national interests. Trump puppet is a return to the swagger of the ugly American. Putin is composed and ruthless because people end up dead after a button is pushed or something every American remembers from grade school propaganda. Both puppets have fan bases around the world and in each of their countries. Each country tries to show its own citizens and the rest of the world how honest and true their fake money drenched voting frauds are. The most Democratic and free countries where the sheep have a vote are incidentally the world's leading weapons manufacturers: US, Russia and China.

    In my opinion, if any political leader is not a puppet, it is Putin.

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  81. peterAUS says:
    @Sin City Milla
    I spend hours each day in a lunch spot that blares CNN. I always turn my back to the screen n put on headphones since I don't have time to re-verify simple facts like the sky is blue, facts which PravdCNN constantly seeks to bring into doubt.

    From my backward seat I get to observe the lunchgoers as they consume CNN-fare along with their lunch-fare, without myself having the misfortune of having to hear CNN or see the screen.

    What I see is extraordinary. People of all sorts sit n eat n stare with goggle eyes clearly sinking into an hypnotic state. Some stare with their mouths open. Some even forget to eat. Many become agitated n after leaving rush back to view the screen a second time. The shop employees are obsessed with it n often run to the screen to turn up the volume as if some great world crisis were erupting. Others swear n curse. This goes on for hours. Professional types, middle class people, even bums pause from their prohibited panhandling all stop n stare n absorb n clearly believe whatever the heck the screen is saying. None ever read books, they just sit n stare n react.

    On those rare occasions when I waste a moment by turning to look at the screen to verify that WW3 has truly broken out, all I ever see is Wolf Blitzer holding sheets of paper n the word Trump inching across the screen. I always regret wasting the moment turning to look when I could have read a few more words in my book.

    Indoctrination via habituation n hypnosis seems to be the chief message of CNN. When I check genuine news sources later on I always find that WW3 did not break out, that Trump is still the President, that the sky is actually blue n not green or red or polka dot n has not magically transformed itself into cloud images of the Martyr Hillary in Gaea sympathy with PC Cultists' lamentations.

    What I see is extraordinary. People of all sorts sit n eat n stare with goggle eyes clearly sinking into an hypnotic state. Some stare with their mouths open. Some even forget to eat. Many become agitated n after leaving rush back to view the screen a second time. The shop employees are obsessed with it n often run to the screen to turn up the volume as if some great world crisis were erupting. Others swear n curse. This goes on for hours. Professional types, middle class people, even bums pause from their prohibited panhandling all stop n stare n absorb n clearly believe whatever the heck the screen is saying. None ever read books, they just sit n stare n react.

    Yup.
    People who at least try to think are squeezed between those you described and sociopaths/psychopats in power.

    I, personally, actually don’t still know who to blame for that predicament and, more importantly, is there is a point anyway.

    Most like, it is just what it is, like sky is blue etc.

    I truly believe that all that would work just fine save that Oppenheimer’s invention ’45.
    That…thing….created the problem.
    The “mind” you described above having thermonuclear weapons. Just…..not…….good.

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  82. sarz says:

    I have suspected for a long time that Israel Shamir is an Israeli intelligence asset. This piece shows him very skilfully and maybe without uttering an outright falsehood but with selective truths undermining the legitimacy of Putin.

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  83. @AnonFromTN
    Anon from TN
    For the sake of the majority of readers who don’t speak Russian Mr. Shamir should have translated the poster shown in the picture. It says on one side “March 18, 2018”, and on the other “Strong president – strong Russia!” Without Western meddling in Syria and Ukraine this slogan would have been useless. The effect of Western propaganda is clearly reflected in the fact that more than 84% of voters residing outside Russia chose Putin, much more than those residing in the country (less than 77%). Mr. Shamir also should have mentioned that March 18 was not just a random date: it was the fourth anniversary of Crimea rejoining Russia. As could be expected, in Crimea and the city of Sevastopol, the fraction of Putin vote was even greater than in the rest of Russia, more than 90%. The people there remember who they should thank for their escape from the Ukrainian madhouse. All these little tricks certainly helped Putin, but this help was predicated on an insane anti-Putin propaganda campaign in the West. I am saying insane for a reason. Russian people have learned their lesson: there will never be another Yeltsin or Gorbachev in Russia. In fact, the West will rue the day Putin is gone.

    Agree. It looks like Gorbo-Yeltsyn betrayal was a culmination of Russia misplaced desire to join to be like the West. I also wondered about difference in national psych. When the West liked something it just wanted to take It, not to be like it and Russia instead of wanting to take over what she liked wanted to be like it. It led to self betrayal and catastrophe. Russia did have 2 chances to take over Europe in 1813-1814 and in 1945.

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  84. Medvedev says:
    @AnonFromTN
    Anon from TN
    There is one little problem with your claim: in China, people are not allowed to choose national leaders, even via fake vote. Another is that Putin enjoys much greater genuine support in Russia than Trump in the US, Merkel in Germany, or Macron in France, not to mention pathetic lame duck May in the UK. I don’t know how widespread is the support of Xi in China, but it can’t be lower that that of Trump, Merkel, or May in their countries. Personally, I am no fan of Putin, but I admire his ability to win kudos for Russia with a fairly weak hand (Xi also tends to win kudos for his country, but his cards are much stronger). This most likely explains Western hysteria.

    Dishonesty, hysteria and russophobia of the West helps to propel Putin’s support among Russians during elections. If it hadn’t been for the West Putin support might have sunk long ago. What do we have as a result? Even if the elections were rigged a bit the second and the third candidate with the most voter support are definitively not pro-Western.
    Here’s piece of news about Russia https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/03/21/us-russian-crew-blasts-of-for-the-iss-from-kazakhstan/ If Russians are so evil why do we collaborate with them? Why do we use their help to send astronauts to space? But most mainstream media doesn’t report news like this. Instead we get constant bashing of Russia in the media, Russian collusion, Russian meddling in the US elections, chemical attack in Syria, Russians intelligence services (or whoever) killing people in London etc.
    How about proper investigation, fact checking, trying to be impartial for a sec in order to find the actual offender? Nah, too hard. Let’s just show some photos of children in Syria and bomb the sh*t out of Assad. Or declare murder in London as Russian attack on UK sovereignty and expel all Russian diplomats.

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    Yesterday the US Senate voted to continue the genocide of Yemeni civilians.

    David Swanson gives a good account of how it went down, but IMO his attribution to $$$ is overly simplistic. There's also their brains washed with "evil Iran" propaganda.
    http://davidswanson.org/why-55-u-s-senators-voted-for-genocide-in-yemen/
    Why 55 U.S. Senators Voted for Genocide in Yemen
    , @EugeneGur

    How about proper investigation, fact checking, trying to be impartial for a sec in order to find the actual offender? Nah, too hard.
     
    That is all fine and good provided there ever was an offender and there was in fact a crime committed. Perhaps, this was all staged; nobody was poisoned, or if there was, it happened with the full knowledge and approval of the appropriate UK authorities.

    This seems to be the most logical explanation, and all this talk about "Novichok", chemical weapons and such is just a smokescreen. The explanation that this was a false flag operation is the only one fully consistent with the behavior of the UK government. Even assuming the UK politicians are dumb, they can't possibly be that dumb not to be able to predict the Russian reaction to an ultimatum. They'd only do that if they in fact didn't want any information or cooperation but wanted to start a quarrel right away. A total absence of all Western ambassadors at the briefing by the Russian Foreign Ministry the other day confirms the theory.

    The UK did everything possible to obfuscate the matter, so chances are we'll never know what, if anything, really happened. Any information and/or samples coming now from the UK authorities is obviously suspect, since there is no way to know where in fact they are coming from. This is the same pattern used many a time before in Syria, in Litvinenko case, in the MH17 "investigation", etc.
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  85. RobinG says:
    @Medvedev
    Dishonesty, hysteria and russophobia of the West helps to propel Putin's support among Russians during elections. If it hadn't been for the West Putin support might have sunk long ago. What do we have as a result? Even if the elections were rigged a bit the second and the third candidate with the most voter support are definitively not pro-Western.
    Here's piece of news about Russia https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/03/21/us-russian-crew-blasts-of-for-the-iss-from-kazakhstan/ If Russians are so evil why do we collaborate with them? Why do we use their help to send astronauts to space? But most mainstream media doesn't report news like this. Instead we get constant bashing of Russia in the media, Russian collusion, Russian meddling in the US elections, chemical attack in Syria, Russians intelligence services (or whoever) killing people in London etc.
    How about proper investigation, fact checking, trying to be impartial for a sec in order to find the actual offender? Nah, too hard. Let's just show some photos of children in Syria and bomb the sh*t out of Assad. Or declare murder in London as Russian attack on UK sovereignty and expel all Russian diplomats.

    Yesterday the US Senate voted to continue the genocide of Yemeni civilians.

    David Swanson gives a good account of how it went down, but IMO his attribution to $$$ is overly simplistic. There’s also their brains washed with “evil Iran” propaganda.

    http://davidswanson.org/why-55-u-s-senators-voted-for-genocide-in-yemen/

    Why 55 U.S. Senators Voted for Genocide in Yemen

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    Anon from TN
    As the American saying goes, follow the money. I have no doubt that the votes were motivated by $$$. However, this could have been direct (lobbying, which would be a criminal offence everywhere but remains perfectly legal in the US), or indirect, via jobs weapons manufacturers provide locally, etc.
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  86. AnonFromTN [AKA "Anon"] says:
    @Sin City Milla
    I spend hours each day in a lunch spot that blares CNN. I always turn my back to the screen n put on headphones since I don't have time to re-verify simple facts like the sky is blue, facts which PravdCNN constantly seeks to bring into doubt.

    From my backward seat I get to observe the lunchgoers as they consume CNN-fare along with their lunch-fare, without myself having the misfortune of having to hear CNN or see the screen.

    What I see is extraordinary. People of all sorts sit n eat n stare with goggle eyes clearly sinking into an hypnotic state. Some stare with their mouths open. Some even forget to eat. Many become agitated n after leaving rush back to view the screen a second time. The shop employees are obsessed with it n often run to the screen to turn up the volume as if some great world crisis were erupting. Others swear n curse. This goes on for hours. Professional types, middle class people, even bums pause from their prohibited panhandling all stop n stare n absorb n clearly believe whatever the heck the screen is saying. None ever read books, they just sit n stare n react.

    On those rare occasions when I waste a moment by turning to look at the screen to verify that WW3 has truly broken out, all I ever see is Wolf Blitzer holding sheets of paper n the word Trump inching across the screen. I always regret wasting the moment turning to look when I could have read a few more words in my book.

    Indoctrination via habituation n hypnosis seems to be the chief message of CNN. When I check genuine news sources later on I always find that WW3 did not break out, that Trump is still the President, that the sky is actually blue n not green or red or polka dot n has not magically transformed itself into cloud images of the Martyr Hillary in Gaea sympathy with PC Cultists' lamentations.

    Anon from TN
    Good description how the propaganda works. The ways and mechanisms are exactly the same in the USA, UK, Germany, etc., as they were in the USSR.

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  87. AnonFromTN [AKA "Anon"] says:
    @jilles dykstra
    What surprised me most in the USA was, when staying at the homes of USA friends with good, even university education, was their ignorance.
    A former university history professor talked to me about the USA Civil War, he was flabbergasted when I showed little interest, stating that in Europe we had had wars all the time.
    A more or less well known USA writer, of non fiction, I saw reading the Readers Digest.
    A high school teacher just watched CNN.
    On the other hand, in e mail discussions with USA veterans, Korea and Vietnam, they knew quite well how they had been fooled, even, Vietnam, how the USA had committed war crimes.
    But who in the USA understands that FDR wanted war since he was brought into politics, 1932, ad deliberately provoked Pearl Harbour ?
    Yet the books explaining this, written by USA historians, or for example in the diaries of Lindbergh, exist.
    Who read the diaries of Harold L Ickes, where one can find that Britain had to pay the price of the Balfour Declaration, in order to be saved from capitulation in November 1917 ?
    But let me admit, before retirement gave me the opportunity to read widely, I also did not doubt what quality media told us.
    I now see our media as the Germans see theirs, Lügenpresse, literally 'lies press'.
    In reaction the EU has begun censoring internet, fake news.

    Anon from TN
    Well, it is Lügenpresse everywhere. It cannot be anything else when the same elites wholly own MSM and all branches of government. Founding Fathers must be turning in their graves.

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  88. AnonFromTN [AKA "Anon"] says:
    @RobinG
    Yesterday the US Senate voted to continue the genocide of Yemeni civilians.

    David Swanson gives a good account of how it went down, but IMO his attribution to $$$ is overly simplistic. There's also their brains washed with "evil Iran" propaganda.
    http://davidswanson.org/why-55-u-s-senators-voted-for-genocide-in-yemen/
    Why 55 U.S. Senators Voted for Genocide in Yemen

    Anon from TN
    As the American saying goes, follow the money. I have no doubt that the votes were motivated by $$$. However, this could have been direct (lobbying, which would be a criminal offence everywhere but remains perfectly legal in the US), or indirect, via jobs weapons manufacturers provide locally, etc.

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    Perhaps I must be more clear.

    Nobody's disputing the money angle, and it's both direct and indirect. The direct MIC $$$ (campaign contributions) is miniscule compared to the indirect [jobs in defense industry in every congressional district]. The USA economy runs on blood. Bernie Sanders, the pseudo peacemaker, loves his F-35 in Vermont.

    However, the heavy-duty lobbying is the demonization of Iran and the allegation that the Houthis are an Iranian proxy. This is a largely Zionist project, abetted now by KSA. The Israel Lobby, via the media, promotes fear and hatred of Iran, so the public then accepts the war policy.

    Plus, the public barely knows about our wars and their consequences. The MIC, media, the Israel Lobby [the Deep State] has no interest in accurate exposure.
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  89. EugeneGur says:
    @Medvedev
    Dishonesty, hysteria and russophobia of the West helps to propel Putin's support among Russians during elections. If it hadn't been for the West Putin support might have sunk long ago. What do we have as a result? Even if the elections were rigged a bit the second and the third candidate with the most voter support are definitively not pro-Western.
    Here's piece of news about Russia https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/03/21/us-russian-crew-blasts-of-for-the-iss-from-kazakhstan/ If Russians are so evil why do we collaborate with them? Why do we use their help to send astronauts to space? But most mainstream media doesn't report news like this. Instead we get constant bashing of Russia in the media, Russian collusion, Russian meddling in the US elections, chemical attack in Syria, Russians intelligence services (or whoever) killing people in London etc.
    How about proper investigation, fact checking, trying to be impartial for a sec in order to find the actual offender? Nah, too hard. Let's just show some photos of children in Syria and bomb the sh*t out of Assad. Or declare murder in London as Russian attack on UK sovereignty and expel all Russian diplomats.

    How about proper investigation, fact checking, trying to be impartial for a sec in order to find the actual offender? Nah, too hard.

    That is all fine and good provided there ever was an offender and there was in fact a crime committed. Perhaps, this was all staged; nobody was poisoned, or if there was, it happened with the full knowledge and approval of the appropriate UK authorities.

    This seems to be the most logical explanation, and all this talk about “Novichok”, chemical weapons and such is just a smokescreen. The explanation that this was a false flag operation is the only one fully consistent with the behavior of the UK government. Even assuming the UK politicians are dumb, they can’t possibly be that dumb not to be able to predict the Russian reaction to an ultimatum. They’d only do that if they in fact didn’t want any information or cooperation but wanted to start a quarrel right away. A total absence of all Western ambassadors at the briefing by the Russian Foreign Ministry the other day confirms the theory.

    The UK did everything possible to obfuscate the matter, so chances are we’ll never know what, if anything, really happened. Any information and/or samples coming now from the UK authorities is obviously suspect, since there is no way to know where in fact they are coming from. This is the same pattern used many a time before in Syria, in Litvinenko case, in the MH17 “investigation”, etc.

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    No, the UK is snow whit in all this. Nobody is listening to what Russian diplomats have to say any more. And the Western investment funds will stop investing in Russia because it will be too risky now there is talk of sequestrating Russian dirty money.
    , @Medvedev
    No need to tell me))) Total agree with you!
    But what amazes me that Western powers think (not without a reason) that their people are completely ret*rded to believe in blatant lies.
    How ret*rded does one have to be to believe that Russian intelligence services or FSB would kill someone with Novichok? It doesn't make sense. Wouldn't they try to cover it up? Even a 4-year old tries to cover up his mischief from the parents. So, wouldn't you expect intelligence services of Russia to be a little bit more intelligent than an average 4-year old boy?
    At least British authorities haven't found a postcard "From Russian FSB with love" near the body. Otherwise, it could have served as 100% evidence against Russia.
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  90. Sean says:

    Our country, our rules, Russians can go back where they came from. If they don’t shut up, we’ll take their dirty money, because we can get at those offshore accounts, if we chose to.

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    We? Sounds like you'll soon be rolling in Russian dough. Lucky you Sean, you might consider investing some of it in seeing a shrink.
    , @annamaria
    Voice of an Israel-firster?
    Was not Israel involved in nudging the US towards "humanitarian interventions" in seven countries, all according to the criminal Oded Yinon plan? https://consortiumnews.com/2018/03/22/how-many-millions-of-people-have-been-killed-in-americas-post-9-11-wars-part-one-iraq/
    "...about 2.4 million people have probably been killed in Iraq as a result of the historic act of aggression committed by the U.S. and U.K. in 2003. ...
    The 2006 Lancet study estimated that about 601,000 Iraqis were killed in the first 39 months of war and occupation in Iraq, while the war had also caused about 54,000 non-violent deaths.
    ... at least 40,000 civilians were killed in the bombardment of Mosul alone. .. there were probably many more bodies buried in the rubble...
    On the 15th anniversary of the illegal invasion of Iraq, the Center for Constitutional Rights in the U.S. renewed its call for the U.S. to pay war reparations to the people of Iraq. [You know -- like Germany has been paying the reparations to Jews].
    The world will never hold major American and British war criminals accountable for their crimes as long as the public does not understand the full scale and horror of what they have done. And the world will not know peace as long as the most powerful aggressors can count on impunity for “the supreme international crime.”
    https://consortiumnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/PHOTO-2-jumbo.jpg
    Samar Hassan screamed after her parents were killed by U.S. soldiers in Iraq in 2005. Credit Chris Hondros/Getty Images.
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  91. Sean says:
    @EugeneGur

    How about proper investigation, fact checking, trying to be impartial for a sec in order to find the actual offender? Nah, too hard.
     
    That is all fine and good provided there ever was an offender and there was in fact a crime committed. Perhaps, this was all staged; nobody was poisoned, or if there was, it happened with the full knowledge and approval of the appropriate UK authorities.

    This seems to be the most logical explanation, and all this talk about "Novichok", chemical weapons and such is just a smokescreen. The explanation that this was a false flag operation is the only one fully consistent with the behavior of the UK government. Even assuming the UK politicians are dumb, they can't possibly be that dumb not to be able to predict the Russian reaction to an ultimatum. They'd only do that if they in fact didn't want any information or cooperation but wanted to start a quarrel right away. A total absence of all Western ambassadors at the briefing by the Russian Foreign Ministry the other day confirms the theory.

    The UK did everything possible to obfuscate the matter, so chances are we'll never know what, if anything, really happened. Any information and/or samples coming now from the UK authorities is obviously suspect, since there is no way to know where in fact they are coming from. This is the same pattern used many a time before in Syria, in Litvinenko case, in the MH17 "investigation", etc.

    No, the UK is snow whit in all this. Nobody is listening to what Russian diplomats have to say any more. And the Western investment funds will stop investing in Russia because it will be too risky now there is talk of sequestrating Russian dirty money.

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    Anon from TN
    Sorry to disappoint, but you are a bit too late. Just now Russia sold $4 billion worth of Eurobonds. British investors bought 39%, US investors – 25%. They obviously forgot to consult you. A pity.
    , @Sean
    They are going after high returns so they accept the risk, but it will turn out to be a much bigger risk than they realise. Russia needs technology transfer from the West, and that can easily be stopped.
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  92. @jilles dykstra
    No.
    We yesterday had our municipal elections, and our last referendum, the law that makes referenda possible has been abolished.
    For 'good' reason, any time we can vote in a referendum we vote against government policy, without any effect.
    2005 we voted against the EU, two years ago against the EU Ukraine association treaty, this, the last time, against the law that makes it possible for our secret services to spy legally on anyone.
    The result of ignoring us was clear yesterday, the big losers were the national governing parties, the winners local parties.
    Like Germany and Belgium, it becomes more and more difficult to govern our country.
    In all three countries it took more than half a year to form a stable government, in our case, as with the two previous Rutte governments, with a parliamentary majority of one seat.
    Next year we have our provincial elections, in fact elections for the higher, and smaller second parliament.
    I expect that will be the end of Rutte, what then will emerge; no idea.

    Well, thanks for that first word, which was at least a reply to my question.

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  93. AnonFromTN [AKA "Anon"] says:
    @Sean
    No, the UK is snow whit in all this. Nobody is listening to what Russian diplomats have to say any more. And the Western investment funds will stop investing in Russia because it will be too risky now there is talk of sequestrating Russian dirty money.

    Anon from TN
    Sorry to disappoint, but you are a bit too late. Just now Russia sold $4 billion worth of Eurobonds. British investors bought 39%, US investors – 25%. They obviously forgot to consult you. A pity.

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  94. RobinG says:
    @AnonFromTN
    Anon from TN
    As the American saying goes, follow the money. I have no doubt that the votes were motivated by $$$. However, this could have been direct (lobbying, which would be a criminal offence everywhere but remains perfectly legal in the US), or indirect, via jobs weapons manufacturers provide locally, etc.

    Perhaps I must be more clear.

    Nobody’s disputing the money angle, and it’s both direct and indirect. The direct MIC $$$ (campaign contributions) is miniscule compared to the indirect [jobs in defense industry in every congressional district]. The USA economy runs on blood. Bernie Sanders, the pseudo peacemaker, loves his F-35 in Vermont.

    However, the heavy-duty lobbying is the demonization of Iran and the allegation that the Houthis are an Iranian proxy. This is a largely Zionist project, abetted now by KSA. The Israel Lobby, via the media, promotes fear and hatred of Iran, so the public then accepts the war policy.

    Plus, the public barely knows about our wars and their consequences. The MIC, media, the Israel Lobby [the Deep State] has no interest in accurate exposure.

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  95. Sean says:
    @Sean
    No, the UK is snow whit in all this. Nobody is listening to what Russian diplomats have to say any more. And the Western investment funds will stop investing in Russia because it will be too risky now there is talk of sequestrating Russian dirty money.

    They are going after high returns so they accept the risk, but it will turn out to be a much bigger risk than they realise. Russia needs technology transfer from the West, and that can easily be stopped.

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  96. MarkU says:
    @AnonFromTN
    Anon from TN
    As the Romans used to say (sometimes this phrase is claimed to belong to Prometheus), “Iuppiter iratus ergo nefas” (Jupiter, you are angry, therefore you are wrong).

    Are people not entitled to a little indignation if they are unreasonably slighted?

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    Anon from TN
    If you mean May, Johnson, or Williamson, they are being slighted very reasonably. Britain never had such hopeless nonentities in leadership in my memory. Compared to these, John Major looks like a towering giant.
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  97. @Sean
    Our country, our rules, Russians can go back where they came from. If they don't shut up, we'll take their dirty money, because we can get at those offshore accounts, if we chose to.

    We? Sounds like you’ll soon be rolling in Russian dough. Lucky you Sean, you might consider investing some of it in seeing a shrink.

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  98. AnonFromTN [AKA "Anon"] says:
    @MarkU
    Are people not entitled to a little indignation if they are unreasonably slighted?

    Anon from TN
    If you mean May, Johnson, or Williamson, they are being slighted very reasonably. Britain never had such hopeless nonentities in leadership in my memory. Compared to these, John Major looks like a towering giant.

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  99. annamaria says:
    @Sean
    Our country, our rules, Russians can go back where they came from. If they don't shut up, we'll take their dirty money, because we can get at those offshore accounts, if we chose to.

    Voice of an Israel-firster?
    Was not Israel involved in nudging the US towards “humanitarian interventions” in seven countries, all according to the criminal Oded Yinon plan? https://consortiumnews.com/2018/03/22/how-many-millions-of-people-have-been-killed-in-americas-post-9-11-wars-part-one-iraq/
    “…about 2.4 million people have probably been killed in Iraq as a result of the historic act of aggression committed by the U.S. and U.K. in 2003. …
    The 2006 Lancet study estimated that about 601,000 Iraqis were killed in the first 39 months of war and occupation in Iraq, while the war had also caused about 54,000 non-violent deaths.
    … at least 40,000 civilians were killed in the bombardment of Mosul alone. .. there were probably many more bodies buried in the rubble…
    On the 15th anniversary of the illegal invasion of Iraq, the Center for Constitutional Rights in the U.S. renewed its call for the U.S. to pay war reparations to the people of Iraq. [You know -- like Germany has been paying the reparations to Jews].
    The world will never hold major American and British war criminals accountable for their crimes as long as the public does not understand the full scale and horror of what they have done. And the world will not know peace as long as the most powerful aggressors can count on impunity for “the supreme international crime.”Samar Hassan screamed after her parents were killed by U.S. soldiers in Iraq in 2005. Credit Chris Hondros/Getty Images.

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  100. Medvedev says:
    @EugeneGur

    How about proper investigation, fact checking, trying to be impartial for a sec in order to find the actual offender? Nah, too hard.
     
    That is all fine and good provided there ever was an offender and there was in fact a crime committed. Perhaps, this was all staged; nobody was poisoned, or if there was, it happened with the full knowledge and approval of the appropriate UK authorities.

    This seems to be the most logical explanation, and all this talk about "Novichok", chemical weapons and such is just a smokescreen. The explanation that this was a false flag operation is the only one fully consistent with the behavior of the UK government. Even assuming the UK politicians are dumb, they can't possibly be that dumb not to be able to predict the Russian reaction to an ultimatum. They'd only do that if they in fact didn't want any information or cooperation but wanted to start a quarrel right away. A total absence of all Western ambassadors at the briefing by the Russian Foreign Ministry the other day confirms the theory.

    The UK did everything possible to obfuscate the matter, so chances are we'll never know what, if anything, really happened. Any information and/or samples coming now from the UK authorities is obviously suspect, since there is no way to know where in fact they are coming from. This is the same pattern used many a time before in Syria, in Litvinenko case, in the MH17 "investigation", etc.

    No need to tell me))) Total agree with you!
    But what amazes me that Western powers think (not without a reason) that their people are completely ret*rded to believe in blatant lies.
    How ret*rded does one have to be to believe that Russian intelligence services or FSB would kill someone with Novichok? It doesn’t make sense. Wouldn’t they try to cover it up? Even a 4-year old tries to cover up his mischief from the parents. So, wouldn’t you expect intelligence services of Russia to be a little bit more intelligent than an average 4-year old boy?
    At least British authorities haven’t found a postcard “From Russian FSB with love” near the body. Otherwise, it could have served as 100% evidence against Russia.

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    I'm the last person to support Putin unless there is other worthy candidate. But dishonesty and idiocy of the claims against Russia often astonishes me.
    Russian meddling in the US elections ... Fake Russian Facebook Accounts Bought $100,000 in Political Ads
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/06/technology/facebook-russian-political-ads.html
    Is this even for real? Clinton's campaign cost 1.4 bln or 1,400,000,000.00 dollars. Even half a million would be a drop in a bucket.
    But if someone isn't completely ret*rded and thinks for a minute. Wouldn't Russian intelligence services try to cover up the traces and use money stashed in foreign country or offshore zone?
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  101. Medvedev says:
    @Medvedev
    No need to tell me))) Total agree with you!
    But what amazes me that Western powers think (not without a reason) that their people are completely ret*rded to believe in blatant lies.
    How ret*rded does one have to be to believe that Russian intelligence services or FSB would kill someone with Novichok? It doesn't make sense. Wouldn't they try to cover it up? Even a 4-year old tries to cover up his mischief from the parents. So, wouldn't you expect intelligence services of Russia to be a little bit more intelligent than an average 4-year old boy?
    At least British authorities haven't found a postcard "From Russian FSB with love" near the body. Otherwise, it could have served as 100% evidence against Russia.

    I’m the last person to support Putin unless there is other worthy candidate. But dishonesty and idiocy of the claims against Russia often astonishes me.
    Russian meddling in the US elections … Fake Russian Facebook Accounts Bought $100,000 in Political Ads

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/06/technology/facebook-russian-political-ads.html

    Is this even for real? Clinton’s campaign cost 1.4 bln or 1,400,000,000.00 dollars. Even half a million would be a drop in a bucket.
    But if someone isn’t completely ret*rded and thinks for a minute. Wouldn’t Russian intelligence services try to cover up the traces and use money stashed in foreign country or offshore zone?

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    Anon from TN
    The majority of the populace in any country is quite dumb. No state propaganda (USSR, USA, UK, Germany, you name them, they are all the same) ever targets the smart fraction of the populace. It is crafted for the lowest common denominator, i.e., “an average Joe” with limited mental ability (ret*rded, using your term).
    , @Ilyana_Rozumova
    Are you the one who did borrow the bicycle?
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  102. AnonFromTN [AKA "Anon"] says:
    @Medvedev
    I'm the last person to support Putin unless there is other worthy candidate. But dishonesty and idiocy of the claims against Russia often astonishes me.
    Russian meddling in the US elections ... Fake Russian Facebook Accounts Bought $100,000 in Political Ads
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/06/technology/facebook-russian-political-ads.html
    Is this even for real? Clinton's campaign cost 1.4 bln or 1,400,000,000.00 dollars. Even half a million would be a drop in a bucket.
    But if someone isn't completely ret*rded and thinks for a minute. Wouldn't Russian intelligence services try to cover up the traces and use money stashed in foreign country or offshore zone?

    Anon from TN
    The majority of the populace in any country is quite dumb. No state propaganda (USSR, USA, UK, Germany, you name them, they are all the same) ever targets the smart fraction of the populace. It is crafted for the lowest common denominator, i.e., “an average Joe” with limited mental ability (ret*rded, using your term).

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  103. @Medvedev
    I'm the last person to support Putin unless there is other worthy candidate. But dishonesty and idiocy of the claims against Russia often astonishes me.
    Russian meddling in the US elections ... Fake Russian Facebook Accounts Bought $100,000 in Political Ads
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/06/technology/facebook-russian-political-ads.html
    Is this even for real? Clinton's campaign cost 1.4 bln or 1,400,000,000.00 dollars. Even half a million would be a drop in a bucket.
    But if someone isn't completely ret*rded and thinks for a minute. Wouldn't Russian intelligence services try to cover up the traces and use money stashed in foreign country or offshore zone?

    Are you the one who did borrow the bicycle?

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  104. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @jilles dykstra
    Alas, I stayed with USA friends, well educated middle class, where CNN was the only 'news' source.
    Three other USA acquaintances I visited in their homes, cannot remember having seen a newspaper other than a local one about marriages and funerals.
    The USA reminded me of the Peking court, that, when British warships were reported on the coast, responded with 'there had been so many pirates already'.
    In the Badlands, in a very small café, I identified myself as Dutch, from Holland, Netherlands.
    When all this did not ring bell I mentioned Europe, the first time in my life.
    This was understood.

    It’s the “ well educated middle “ class who watch and believe CNN and the rest of the liberal propaganda channels.

    They are the brainwashed morons who believe what they see on TV and in the
    “Quality” press; NYTimes, The Nation Atlantic, New Republic etc.

    If you want to know what the really intelligent Americans who know that all the quality press and CNN are just a lot of lying propaganda,think, keep hanging out in this site, Amren vdare and you will find dissident realistic truthful news.

    Of course these sites are kept going by uneducated redneck hillbilly manual workers and other deplorable losers to immigrant workers at all levels from dishwasher to Dr.

    The more educated an American is, the more he or she believes CNN and the rest of the lying press.

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