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Three important events influenced the course of the Syrian war in the course of last month: the Metrojet flight 9268 crash in Sinai October 31, the Paris attacks on Friday November 13 and the downing of a Sukhoi 24 on November 24, 2015.

The Metrojet

The Metrojet crash was not deemed an act of terror to start with. First accounts concentrated on the poor state of the charter plane, on the lack of proper maintenance, on its previously troubled record (a tail strike it had suffered some years earlier), on a possible engine failure. The reports were confusingly contradictory. The pilots had asked permission for emergency landing, – no, they hadn’t. The airliner violently steered off the course, rapidly changed its altitude a few times, – no, it did not. There were no traces of explosives – there were traces of explosives all over place.

In a course of a few days, the whole body of conspiracy and anti-conspiracy versions grew around the crash, both in Russia and elsewhere, for instance an explosion of hydrogen-filled diving cylinder of a sort regularly used by Sharm el Sheikh divers.

I noticed an interesting coincidence: there was the Blue Flag air exercise of Israeli and American air forces in the vicinity of the crash area. The crash occurred within 30 miles of the Israeli border, and Israel happens to use its drones to kill its enemies in Sinai. The exercise included “firing simulated weapons against fictional enemy missile launchers, convoys and aircraft”, according to the official report. What if some of these weapons weren’t “simulated”? I would not suggest intentional destruction of a civilian Russian liner, but friendly fire is not unheard of. A missile could go astray. The Blue Flag was supposed to last until November, 3. However, after the Metrojet crash, it was claimed that the exercise was over October, 29.

An Israeli news site asked the Army spokesman when the exercise was finished, and received the answer: November, 3. The site asked again, while referring to the Russian liner crash. This time, the answer was: October, 29. This discrepancy is not a proof of anything; and anyway, this version gained little currency. However, it was expanded by an American site and later by a hard-core radical Russian site (they accused me of “cover-up” for balking at considering Israeli ill intent). I do not think this is the true explanation; just another version in absence of the truth established.

For a long while the Russians denied the crash was caused by enemy action and looked for a technical failure, though the UK and the US suggested a terror attack. Daesh (ISIS) claimed they downed the airliner by a missile and they published a video of this alleged feat. This claim was met with scorn, as MANPAD missiles can’t reach the airliner altitude. It was said that soon Daesh will claim the Sinking of the Titanic.

The Russians mourned their dead, and their campaign in Syria continued with some successes on the ground, while the West continued to condemn it for going against ‘moderate opposition’ and paying lip service to the war on Daesh. The Russians insisted they were fighting Daesh “or other similar groups”.


The Paris attacks changed the game. 130 persons were killed, and the attack was claimed by Daesh. This was not a sophisticated action; the total outlay was around €7,000 (\$7,500) while the damage was in billions and budget allocations to security industries were in trillions. Daesh claimed the responsibility, while al Qaeda never claimed 9/11 for itself. This time there was a great surge of empathy and mourning all over the world, and nowhere was it stronger than in Russia.

The Russian people feel so much about France and about Paris – probably as much as the Americans of Scott Fitzgerald’s generation. Paris is the place good Russians – like good Americans – go to when they die, rephrasing Oscar Wilde. Mayakovski, the great Russian poet of 1920s, famously said: I’d love to live and die in Paris, and quickly added: if there weren’t Moscow. This love of Paris and France has been a trademark of a Russian nobleman since 18th century: Pushkin’s generation learned French before mastering their own tongue. Russians love to feel European, and France is the only country in Europe they really care for.

In France, there were calls for vengeance, and the Russians seconded them. They would love to go to war in a coalition with the French, as they did in the WWI and WWII. Paris attacks fitted Putin’s Destroy Daesh campaign like a glove. At that time, 18 days after the crash and 4 days after the Paris attacks, the Russians declared their air liner was downed by the Daesh. Many previous claims regarding the crash were disowned, reports reinterpreted and made to suit the new version. Instead of the West versus Russia, a new formation began to form, that of Russia and France versus all the rest.

Daesh behaved like a good sport and accepted the responsibility for the Russian crash on the next day. They also adapted their version: previously they said they downed the liner with a missile, now they agreed with the Russians and said they did it with a Schweppes can. Nobody queried how did they manage to squeeze three pounds of TNT equivalent into a soft drink can. The Russian-French coalition against Daesh began to take form.

Russian TV broadcast the French Aircraft Carrier Charles de Gaulle rendezvousing with the Russian Missile Cruiser Moskva off Syrian shore, a poignant symbol of two great European nations doing their joint work against the barbarians.

For a short while the Russians forgot that they had come by the Syrian government’s invitation to fight for Syria, while the French considered President Assad a worse plague than Daesh. They poured bombs on the Daesh-held territory, and the Russians penned “For Paris!” on their bombs.


Nowadays many pro-Western Russians feel “white”, as they became infected by the racist rhetoric of the West after the Soviet collapse and were subjected to an influx of Central Asian migrants. They also imported European Nationalist discourse bewailing Europe and France deluged by coloured migrants. In their minds, the Arab refugee wave and the Paris terror attacks merged into one battle in the clash of civilisations.

The Israeli connection of influential Jews amidst Russians added some anti-Arab prejudice. A top Russian blogger and a citizen of Israel, Mr Anton Nosik, flaunting his Israeli connection, called to kill the women and children of Syria. He also accused the very moderate Russian Muslim Mufti of financing the bombing of the Metrojet liner. Mr Michael Weller, a best-selling writer, published a racist screed against the dark-skinned Arabs who swamp and engulf Europe. Both genocidal calls were published by the most pro-Western, ultra-liberal and anti-Putin Echo Moskvy site. The head of Mossad called to bomb Syria like Dresden was bombed. In Dresden, perhaps up to half a million civilians were killed in a bombing attack by the British and American air forces, well described by Kurt Vonnegut. To be on the safe side and not to miss a piece of action, Israel bombed the Russian allies in Syria: the Syrian army and their ally Hezbollah.

At that time, President Hollande of France went to the US trying to build the grand coalition against Daesh.

The Bomber

The spirit of Russia’s cooperation with the West was at its peak when a well-aimed air-to-air missile from a Turkish F-16 fighter downed the Russian Su-24M tactical bomber. According to the Turks, the bomber had lingered for some 17 seconds in Turkish airspace and was been downed one mile inside the Syrian territory. According to the Russians, the bomber didn’t cross the Turkish border at all. In any case, this was a deadly planned ambush.

This was an illusion-shattering event of great magnitude, the end of a brief season that began with destruction of the Russian airliner, continued with the Paris attacks and ended with the pilots of the Russian bomber parachuting into the hills of North-West Syria. During this silly season, the Russians tried to convince the world and definitely convinced themselves that the grand coalition of 1941-1945 came back to life, and they are fighting shoulder-to-shoulder with the French and the Americans against their joint enemy. Just one missile, and the sweet dream scattered, like the unfortunate Sukhoi bomber.

The downing was not a surprise for me, nor should it be for you: I actually warned you, my reader, it was coming a full month before it occurred. On October 19, 2015 I had been warned by my Turkish correspondents of the Shamireaders group. I passed this warning on October, 22: “Erdogan plans to pull Turkey to the brink of war with Russia. Erdogan has given orders to shoot down Russian planes operating in Syria while claiming they have intruded into Turkish air space.” I published this warning in a leading Russian newspaper, too, a few days earlier.

The downing was a terrible shock for the Russians as they did not expect an attack from the Turkish side. They were carried away by their own rhetoric. They spoke endlessly about the need to fight terrorists, and convinced themselves everybody was on the same page they were. The Turks disabused them. Naturally, the Turks and their NATO allies stood up against the Russians. The Russian claim that “we all should fight Daesh” had propaganda value but not an operational one, and they learned it this painful way.

The Arab newspapers say that President Erdogan obtained President Obama’s blessing for the operation when they met at G20 summit in Turkey. They also say the timing was chosen to derail Mr Hollande’s mission. We do not know whether this is true, but the US and other NATO members expressed their limited support for the Turkish attack. France did not demur, yet. The NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg “expressed solidarity with Turkey and support of Turkey’s territorial integrity”. The US decision to sanction a Russian businessman for dealing with Bashar Assad reminded everyone that for the US the main enemy in Syria has been, and is the legitimate government of Syria, while the Islamic State (Daesh) is an unruly ally.

The Turks carried out their premeditated attack on the Russian bomber because they are protecting Daesh. They are Daesh’s regional minder. Last week, Daesh authorities in Raqqa discontinued usage of the Syrian lira as a legal tender on their territory. From now on, it is Turkish lira that will be used in the new Caliphate. The Turks buy the bulk of the oil produced by Daesh, though some quantity of this oil apparently finds its way to Damascus as well. It is difficult to blame Bashar Assad’s government for its attempts to recover some of its oil from the Daesh thieves, even paying ransom for it. However, such an excuse can’t be made regarding the Turks. It is said that Erdogan’s son is personally involved in buying the stolen oil, but whether it is true or not, oil is transported to Turkey.

We should recount the reasons for the Syrian war so that the present events to make sense. It is not that the people of Syria decided to rise against the tyrant. The Syrian war has been initiated by the West in 2011 in order to overthrow Bashar Assad and his regime in a mopping-up campaign against the states that sided with the Soviet Union in the Cold War. We know that much from the Wikileaks cables of the US Embassy in Damascus. France supported the move from its own neo-colonial reasons as Syria was its former protectorate. Syria’s neighbours had their own reasons to support the US-led campaign.


Israel wanted to Somalise Syria, to cause its defragmentation in full agreement with its Yinon Plan. It wanted to place a Sunni entity between its enemies Iran and Hezbollah, as well. Qatar wanted to build a gas pipeline to Turkey via Syria, and Bashar Assad did not agree. The Saudis wanted to eliminate Bashar, as he was friendly to Iran. They did not want an Alawite like Assad to rule an Arab Muslim country. Turkey’s Erdogan wanted to place a moderate Islamist in Damascus in his endeavour to recreate the Ottoman Empire. Together with Qatar, he intended to build the gas pipeline. Together with Saudis, he wanted Muslim Brotherhood to unite the Arabs. Besides, Erdogan wanted to back a winner, and he was convinced that the fall of Assad was just a matter of weeks.

Four years have passed, and their reasons are still valid for them, even more so. These countries had spent a lot of money. They felt they were close to their goal. Enter Russia, and Assad’s regime got a new lease of life. Turkey was more annoyed than the rest as it carried the brunt of military effort: it housed the refugees, supplied fighters with weapons. The Turks were upset that the Russians had cut the lifeline to Daesh by bombing transports; they wanted to protect various Islamist groups, some of them their ethnic kith and kin, while others their ideological and religious allies. The furious Turks attacked the Russian plane in order to express their anger. They hoped that NATO would prevent Russia’s violent response, and ideally would carry out military operations against Russia thus relieving Syrian rebels.

The US approved of this action for an additional reason. They wanted to test Russian resolve and its military preparedness. It is impossible to assess correctly an enemy’s strength except in battle. This is especially true regarding Russia. There were various reports alleging the military weakness of Russia. We remember that in 1930s, Imperial Japan had made a few armed incursions into Soviet Russia. These incursions were beaten off quite convincingly, and Japan preferred to sign a non-aggression treaty with the USSR. In the west, the Soviets weren’t successful in their Finland war, and Hitler concluded Russia would be easy prey. In 2008, Georgia tried to attack Russian forces. The then Georgian president Mr Saakashvili boasted his army would reach Moscow without meeting strong resistance. His forces were thrashed in a few days. Turkey is much stronger than Georgia, and a limited Russian-Turkish war would provide a much better assessment of Russian military might.

The Russians are well aware of this reason, and this is why they used their cruise missiles and strategic long range bombers in Syria. They wanted to impress the US generals so they wouldn’t provoke a battle.

The Russians were quite upset by NATO supporting Turkey. They hoped the Europeans would be grateful that the Russians were fighting for Europe against Daesh. This did not happen, though the Russians actually bombed Daesh in a furious campaign of revenge “for Paris”. Still they decided to postpone their response for the bomber. Putin does not want to fight Turkey, if it can be avoided; even less he wants to fight NATO. Probably a limited response should be expected. Delivery of S-400 to Syria provided the means. A Turkish plane on a mission to bomb Kurds in Syria or Iraq is likely to bear the brunt of the Russian response.

Israel Shamir can be reached at [email protected]

This article has been published first at the Unz Review.

• Category: Foreign Policy • Tags: ISIS, Paris Attacks, Russia, Terrorism, Turkey 
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  1. 5371 says:

    The article isn’t all bad, but why Shamir thinks the Russians would be cured of their supposed tendency to white nationalism by being treacherously attacked by the Turks is beyond me.

  2. attonn says:

    The “For Paris!” PR-stunt was pathetic. While Frenchies were drawing caricatures enjoying Russian deaths, Russians tied themselves in knots trying to impress the French. Shows a bit of subservient streak of a contemporary Russian character.

  3. Kiza says:

    Totally wrong, the death-as-fun caricatures of Charlie Hebdo were not French then Zionist. I am sure that most Russians know this. If you are not clear, check out who owns Chalie Hebdo and why we all had to be Charlie Hebdo.

  4. Kiza says:

    Putin has accused Obama of shooting down the Russian jet. Apparently, the Russians were providing all their flight-paths to the US and vice versa, based on an agreement between two countries to avoid a clash in the air over Syria.

    The US simply passed this flight path information on to Turkey to organize an ambush around the point closest to the Turkish border.

    BTW, the Turks did a similar trick to Syria in March 2014, when they shot-down a Syrian jet on the Syrian side of the border and just made up exactly the same story that their territorial integrity was breached.

    In the game with Russia, US is a bad cop, France is a good cop, and Turkey is a police dog. Killing Russians is the purpose of the game.

    Finally, you may have noticed one major similarity between MH17 story and the SU-24 story. In the weeks before MH17 was shot-down, the Western MSM were reporting extensively on the Ukrainian rebels shooting down Ukrainian military jets. It was prime news as something very important (why would it be?). Then the MH17 shootdown came. The believable MSM story became: “The rebels thought MH17 was an Ukrainian military jet!

    With SU-24 it was similar. For weeks before, the MSM kept repeating Russian breaches of Turkish airspace, when small air-space brush-offs are quite common (Turkey had 2,400 breaches against Greece in the last 12 months and uncountable ones against Syria). Thus, the Western MSM made a big fuss about the small Russian brush-offs of Turkish territory in the weeks before the shoot-down. Then the Turks shot-down SU-24 even when it did not brush-off the Turkish airspace, the believable MSM story became: “Turkey got tired of the Russian violations!

    This is called propaganda story preparation. Are they good at it or what?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @annamaria
  5. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “Frenchies were drawing caricatures enjoying Russian deaths”

    Tribal Zionazi´s posing as French, mind you. The were as French as the Ukrainian born Jew Flemming Rose and his cabal who caricatured Muslims as dogs

  6. Anonymous • Disclaimer says: • Website

    I would not suggest intentional destruction of a civilian Russian liner [by Israel or the US]

    Why ever not?

    If we are expected to believe that terrorists, under the direction of their leaders/controllers, intentionally destroy airliners and anything else involving massive emotion-laden casualties, for their own nefarious and in-your-face-obvious purposes, then it begs the question: who exactly are those leaders/controllers? – with ‘qui bono?’ being the most reliable pointer to them. Perish the thought it could possibly be any entity (Mossad, CIA etc etc) other than those we are expected and manipulated to be outraged by eh? and certainly not us Goodies and the agencies whose ostensible purpose is to ‘make us safe’.

    With the sordid post-WWII history of western – and especially Israeli/Mossad – sponsored false-flag atrocities a matter of solid, unimpeachable record, it seems to me that, as with 9/11 and numerous other atrocities since, so with this – a US and/or Mossad black-op is by far the most likely explanation.

    And you omit to mention the very real possibility of the aircraft being electronically hijacked so as to take complete navigational control whilst disabling ANY crew-ground communications whatsoever. Israel’s principle Unit 8200 SIGINT station is under 100 Km from the crash site. With its affiliated companies and operatives being pretty well ubiquitous in the global aircraft security industries, such an operation is well within its technical capabilities.

    But we mustn’t talk about such things must we?

  7. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    You are totally wrong regarding “subservient streak of a contemporary Russian character”. Firstly, not all the Russians and not even majority of us supported this rather shallow stunt – for different reasons, including the tacit approval by French of Charlie Hebdo dirty revolting mockery of the victims of the flight crashed on Sinai. Secondly, those Russians who joined this flash mob did it mostly because they genuinely like France and especially Paris – quite weirdly (since it has dramatically changed even within the last 10 years) this city still has a fleur of romantism and beauty for them. Finally, there is no uniform “Russian character” since in Russia there are historically about 200 nationalities that have been intermingling through centuries. If by “subservient” you mean that Russians do not create their own maidan – well, remember/learn how many people were murdered or had to leave the country after the revolution in October, including 1937 -1954 years. Sane citizens of Russia simply do not want to engage in any such mess again.

    • Replies: @attonn
  8. Varenik says:

    “Shows a bit of subservient streak of a contemporary Russian character.”
    I see more of an ignorant streak on your side regarding the Russian character altogether .
    As an aside, Erdogan and Hollande would do well to remember Litvinenko. KGB, in its various incarnations, had always been consistent with paybacks.

  9. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Good article may god bless you, provide more courage to bring out truth to the world.

    Russia is only hope to bring peace to the world under leadership of Putin. Its very rare to have such statesmen once in a century.

  10. attonn says:

    Maidan is the most idiotic idea of this still young century, and Ukrainians are more subservient than Russians, by the order of magnitude. Real people with a solid self-esteem would never allow their country to be treated and manipulated like that.
    In Russian case by “subservient” I meant a constant Russian desire to impress the West. It’s unhealthy, and unsightly, and in the end end only elicits more disdain.

    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @siberiancat
  11. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Do you remember Afghanistan? what about Iraq? And Libya? Do you see Syria? They are aiming at Iran.

  12. abner says:

    Why is this article not mentioned on the Unz front page? I only found it by realizing Shamir must have something to say about the shootdown, then going to his writer’s page.

  13. Kiza says:

    Good propaganda is always a good, well prepared story.
    Bad propaganda is always straight, outright lies.
    People are stupid, that is an axiom which makes propaganda possible.
    There is no issue of morality of propaganda, there is only a goal of propaganda.

    As long as the West can produce good propaganda stories, the West has still got some health in it, when it sinks to pure lies then the end is neigh.

  14. If France is against Assad, why does Daesh or ISIS or whatever it’s called attack France.

  15. Kiza says:

    All you ever wanted to know about ISIS oil and were afraid to ask:

    The ISIS oil gets combined with the oil that Mossad’s Kurds extract from Northern Iraq, gets transported to the Turkish port of Ceyhan and then by Bilal Erdogan’s tankers to the Israeli port of Ashdod. Bilal Erdogan’s BMZ bought two large tankers recently.

    Israel gets almost 80% of its oil at a huge discount, because it is a stolen oil from Iraq and Syria. But this is not all, the US and Israel are counting on Mossad’s Kurds YPG to finish the job that ISIS could not, with some direct military support of NATO “fighting ISIS” in Syria.

  16. Kiza says:

    Meet the new ISIS called YPG

    Now that is obvious that ISIS cannot completed the task given, who will be the replacement that the Coalition of the Sponsor of Terrorism is counting on?

    Who are these Kurds that the US wants to “cooperate with”? I called them the Mossad’s Kurds and here is why:

    “…Masud Barzani is president and lives in a palace complex in a resort inherited from Saddam Hussein. His nephew, Nechirvan Barzani, is prime minister. His uncle, Hoshyar Zebari, was Iraq’s foreign minister and is now finance minister. Masud’s eldest son, Masrour Barzani, leads the intelligence service; and his second son Mansour is a general, as is Masud’s brother Wajy. Barzani’s nephew Sirwan owns the regional cell phone company which, while purchased with public money, remains a private holding. Barzani’s sons are frequently in Washington D.C. They have their wives give birth in Sibley Hospital in order to ensure the next generation has American citizenship, and Masrour Barzani acquired an \$11 million mansion in McLean, Virginia. Hanging out in Tyson’s Corner, Virginia, some of Masoud Barzani’s daughters-in-law have, according to Kurdish circles, been known to introduce themselves as “Princesses of Kurdistan” as they visit high-end shops accompanied by their own rather unnecessary (while in the United States) security details…”

    Iraqi Kurds do not speak the same language as the Syrian Kurds and Turkish Kurds, in the past they have often been fighting against each other. Iraqi Kurdistan has been established with the direct help of the Israelis during US occupation, whilst the US military pretended it did not happen. Now flush with oil cash and trained by US and Israel, The Coalition of the Sponsors of Terrorism hopes to use them as anti-ISIS, that is anti-Assad, troops to finish the job. But they will have to reinforce these Kurds with own US-British-French-etc troops, this is the debate going on now in the West. This is why the Paris attack happened, to justify getting into Syria.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  17. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Do you think we in Russia believe in some western alies? “For paris” etc. is just a playing for western public which likes fairy tales and lives with it. In Syria we are pursuing our own interests. Putin has absolutely strategical thinking. The mess with Turkey which is an American dog and along with them uses terrorists was predictable before all these Syrian acts. If Putin (Russian government, because he’s not a God to calculate all of the variants and make decisions alone) has started the compaign he has prepared answers to these counteractions.

    • Replies: @Kiza
  18. RobinG says:

    Do you have a link to the story you quote here?

    • Replies: @Kiza
    , @jeff davis
  19. Kiza says:

    It is an old story from January:
    It does not talk about Barzani’s links to Mossad, only how corrupt they are. I will post on Mossad links as soon as I find a relevant piece.

  20. Kiza says:

    In an interview on PBS’ Charlie Rose on Tuesday, Rose pointed out that before the terrorist attacks in Paris, the U.S. had not bombed ISIS-controlled oil tankers, to which the former CIA deputy director Michael Morell responded that Barack Obama didn’t order the bombing of ISIS’s oil transportation infrastructure until recently because he was concerned about environmental damage.

    But, this is not the only humorous take on the Western shenanigans with ISIS, I liked the most that former Ba’athist leadership of ISIS who traded almost \$1B of stolen oil under the noses of Western “bombers” are now popularly called Raqqafellers, a compressed form of the Rockefellers of Raqqa (ISIS capital).

    Has the Western population really been so dumbed down by the Western Sewerage MSM? Well, those not dumbed down, we are having a great laugh.

    BTW, the Turkish security establishment has been advocating that the West recognize ISIS as a state and make their occupied/stolen oil legal. Unfortunately for them, the West still has plans for ISIS – to use them as a justification for getting their armies into Syria. The recognition of ISIS as a state is impossible in the near term, but in the long term, repackaged and rebranded, probably yes.

  21. Kiza says:

    The biggest recent Putin’s mistake is that he allowed a UN Resolution which permits anyone to fight ISIS in Syria to pass. This Resolution should not have passed under any circumstances, because the West will use it for Government Change, just like in Libya, where a Protection of Civilians Resolution was turned into a Regime Change Resolution.

    Anything which gives the Western countries the right to meddle into other countries is wrong and will always end up the same way.

    • Replies: @5371
  22. 5371 says:

    [the West will use it for Government Change, just like in Libya]

    but Russian forces were not operating in Libya. So there is no analogy.

    • Replies: @Kiza
  23. Kiza says:

    Well that is true, it would be interesting if they tried bombing SAA now that there is S400 in place, which effectively means a no-fly zone (a legal one because it is on behalf of the Syrian Government) over Syria.

    You may have heard an online conspiracy theory created by the Western Government trolls: that the Russians placed their jet to be shot-down by Turkey, so that they could justify bringing in S400 and declaring a no-fly zone over Syria. This is totally ridiculous and laughable, but it says that S400 is now a huge worry to the Coalition of the Sponsors of Terrorism.

    What can they pull to nullify this advantage of the Syrian Government? I wish I knew. By shooting down the Russian bomber they managed to poison the previously excellent relationship between Turkey and Russia and create significant economic damage to both, but there was also a nasty payback to their plan for regime change – S400.

    I believe that Obama will leave this hot potato to Killary to handle and will just keep arming Al Qaeda and keep pretending to bomb ISIS till the election. But who knows, the Ziocons are the impatient kind.

    • Replies: @Seamus Padraig
  24. Rurik says:

    Interesting article as usual

    The Syrian war has been initiated by the West in 2011 in order to overthrow Bashar Assad and his regime in a mopping-up campaign against the states that sided with the Soviet Union in the Cold War. We know that much from the Wikileaks cables of the US Embassy in Damascus. .

    this is confusing

    the US and NATO want to support ISIS and destroy Afghanistan because they were former Soviet allies?

    I kind of figured we were destroying these countries because the neocons figured their regimes were inconvenient to Bibi and crew. Like the way Bibi came and lectured the US congress and repudiated president Obama for not also destroying Iran as part of general Clark’s by now famous ‘to do list’

    • Replies: @schmenz
    , @Israel Shamir
  25. Rurik says:

    Hi Kiza

    Putin’s mistake is that he allowed a UN Resolution which permits anyone to fight ISIS in Syria to pass.

    which one was that?

    • Replies: @Avery
    , @tbraton
    , @Kiza
  26. Avery says:

    I am no student of diplomatic language or UN machinations, but I doubt Russia made a mistake as [Kiza] believes. Assuming the resolution in question is the one discussed below in the RT link.

    [Syria’s UN Ambassador, Bashar Ja’afari, hinted prior to Friday’s vote that this resolution was long overdue. “Welcome to everybody who finally woke up and joined the club of combating terrorists.”]

    I doubt very much the official representative of the Syrian Arab Republic would welcome a resolution detrimental to his country.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  27. @Kiza

    You may have heard an online conspiracy theory created by the Western Government trolls: that the Russians placed their jet to be shot-down by Turkey, so that they could justify bringing in S400 and declaring a no-fly zone over Syria. This is totally ridiculous and laughable, but it says that S400 is now a huge worry to the Coalition of the Sponsors of Terrorism.

    I expect ‘Sean’ to lay this one on us soon!

  28. tbraton says:

    I believe the Security Council resolution of March 2011 authorizing a “no-fly zone” over Libya, which both Russia and China abstained from rather than vetoing, occurred when Medvedev was President of Russia, not Putin. I think Putin concluded that Medvedev got snookered by the U.S.

  29. tbraton says:

    I read within the last day or so that Turkey suddenly stopped intruding into Greece’s airspace, which it had apparently done more than a thousand times a year (sometimes with armed aircraft and sometimes over Greek territory, the very thing Turkey was charging the Russians with) the very day the Turks shot down the Russian bomber over Syrian territory. Very interesting coincidence, I would say.

  30. annamaria says:

    The next interesting question is whether the Israelis have downed the civilian airplane. Do you see any difference between the liver-eaters and Zionists? – Hard to find any.
    “…there was the Blue Flag air exercise of Israeli and American air forces in the vicinity of the crash area. The crash occurred within 30 miles of the Israeli border, and Israel happens to use its drones to kill its enemies in Sinai. The exercise included “firing simulated weapons against fictional enemy missile launchers, convoys and aircraft”, according to the official report. What if some of these weapons weren’t “simulated”? I would not suggest intentional destruction of a civilian Russian liner, but friendly fire is not unheard of. A missile could go astray. The Blue Flag was supposed to last until November, 3. However, after the Metrojet crash, it was claimed that the exercise was over October, 29.
    An Israeli news site asked the Army spokesman when the exercise was finished, and received the answer: November, 3. The site asked again, while referring to the Russian liner crash. This time, the answer was: October, 29.”

    • Replies: @Kiza
  31. annamaria says:

    Is a country of yours is free from a “subservient streak?” Or you live in Israel and firmly believe that all other countries must be subservient to Israel, beginning with the US and up to the disoriented EU?

  32. annamaria says:

    There is nothing bad in emulating the best in others and there is nothing bad, in particular, in the attempts at establishing friendly relationships with another country in order to avoid a war. Russians used to have too many illusions about the supposedly freedom-loving and just West; old habits die hard. But the pliable fifth column that wants to be associated with the powerful and moneyed is a different story.

  33. @attonn

    There is a certain asymmetry in how Russia perceives and is perceived by the West. The Russians are culturally more Western in the broad sense than the West gives them credit for because of pure political reasons. Therefore this desire to impress, it’s more like a message “we are one of you”, which explains the “For Paris” written on the bombs.
    I believe this is a completely sincere expression of the fondness for the French.

    • Agree: Kiza
  34. schmenz says:

    In mentioning “the West” I hope Mr Shamir includes Israel.

    Like you, however, I am confused by Mr Shamir’s contention that much of this is due to the West’s “getting back” against states that supported the Soviet Union. It is hard to dispute the fact that America is only, as usual, doing Israel’s dirty work for them in Iraq, Syria and Heaven knows where else, and has little to do with revenge against former supporters of the Communists in Russia.

    • Replies: @Israel Shamir
    , @Rurik
  35. Hi Steve, I suggest you report on the curious situation of the US allowing the flow of oil from terrorists controlled oil wells up to very recently. The excuse as to why the US didn’t start bombing the tankers until the Russians did is truly ludicrous and amusing, something to do with environmental impact. I am sure it had nothing to do with where that terrorist oil ended up at 25% of market value, Israel. Naaaa, that had nothing to do with it 🙂

  36. @Rurik

    Bibi does not know where Afghanistan is/was. Difficult to ascribe the US war on Afghan to Bibi.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @alexander
    , @tbraton
  37. @schmenz

    Well, mopping up is not revenge. They want to be sure socialism is dead.
    As for Israel, surely this is not the only source of evil in our world.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  38. Rurik says:

    Ahh, OK

    I agree that if Syria and Russia are on board, then it seems unlikely that this resolution is a blank check for NATO and the Sunni regimes to attack Syrian troops.

    For whatever else Putin is, I don’t think he’s stupid

  39. Rurik says:

    “getting back” against states that supported the Soviet Union

    yes, I think if anything it’s more of a coincidence that some of the states being attacked were often marginally allied with the Soviet Union.

    I have great respect for Mr. Shamir but I don’t always agree with his assessments. And then again, there must be massive amounts of pressure put on (especially Jewish) writers to downplay the significance Israel and powerful Zionists both Jewish and otherwise have in regards to the US and NATO’s involvement with these wars in the Middle East. But he does mention the Zionist’s Yinon Plan, he just leaves out that it is the Zio-controlled US and occupied West that are supposed to do (and are doing) the dirty work.

  40. Kiza says:

    This is the UN Resolution # 2249:

    Please note that there are already different interpretations of what it means and that is always dangerous. A direct military action has not been endorsed, unlike in the case of the Libya resolution, but we all know that the Western Governments use lawyers to interpret-away when some legal documents stands in the way.

    The Libyan resolution which lead to Western regime change was # 1973:

    • Replies: @Rurik
  41. Rurik says:
    @Israel Shamir

    Yes, I agree Sir, but there seems to be ample evidence that the war on Iraq had neocon/Zionist fingers all over it. As does this adventure in Syria, where I suspect Bibi and crew would like to start selling the oil under the Golan sooner rather than later.

    Certainly our posture towards Iran has had more to do with the Israel’s long standing desire to see the US military send them reeling into the stone age- along with Syria as we did to Libya and Iraq- than any petty lingering bitterness over the hostilities of the long dead Soviet Union, no?

    Bibi’s appreciation of Afghanistan notwithstanding.. ; )

    • Replies: @Israel Shamir
  42. Art says:

    “However, such an excuse can’t be made regarding the Turks. It is said that Erdogan’s son is personally involved in buying the stolen oil, but whether it is true or not, oil is transported to Turkey.”

    The Jew owned and controlled US media is not telling the American people the truth about how Turkey is helping ISIS. Israel, Qatar, and Saudi are also directly involved in supporting ISIS.

    This is a crime of great magnitude. Good innocent people will die because of this Jew coercion and lies.

  43. Kiza says:

    For some reason that I am not clear on, the Russians appear to be blaming Qatar for the bombing of the MetroJet. It may be some intelligence information or just speculation, not sure.

    In my view, the state of Israel is the top level manipulator and the benefactor of all chaos in the ME and wider. They are getting other people to fight for Israeli interests, including the US, and will collect the benefit at virtually no cost. Thus, one could allocate anything bad that happens around Israel, as Israel’s influence if not Israel’s direct doing. As in the ancient times the saying went: All roads lead to Rome, today the saying goes All roads lead to Tel Aviv. The funny thing is that the Ziocons convinced the US that they are the New Rome, when the US is just the most important province of the Israeli Empire in Roman terms.

    It makes my stomach turn when I read how Russia will replace Turkish vegetables with Israeli ones, when most likely, it was the Ziocons who bribed/blackmailed Turkish MIT and/or some Turkish airforce general to shoot-down the Russian bomber over Syria. This is the set up which Erdogan is now protecting, when the Russian third condition for the normalization of relations is: “Punish those responsible for the SU-24 shoot-down”. Does that not suggest that Erdogan and Davutoglu are not responsible? Would they not have to punish themselves if they ordered the shoot-down? But they cannot accept that they were not in control of their own military, thus the Turks continue aggressive behavior – the Ziocons knew what The Sultan Erdogan is like. Thus, there will be no normalization of the relationship between Russia and Turkey. Look at that third condition as an indication of what the Russians think really happened with SU-24.

    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @schmenz
  44. Kiza says:

    On a different matter, the pilot killed by Turkey and the US moderate head-choppers, Oleg Peshkov, had two small children, a girl and a boy. It would be great to send a small contribution towards their education. Does anyone know of any direct way of sending money to them or via the Russian Government, because I am sure that they would pass the money on to the family. I am sure also that they will get their father’s pension, but let us make their lives without their father at least a little easier.

    There would be no better statement against the Ziocons than to help the family of one of their victims.

    I would really, really appreciate any assistance on this matter.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  45. alexander says:
    @Israel Shamir

    Fair enough Mr Shamir ,

    on the surface it might seem that is the case…

    But dig a little deeper and you will find that Afghanistan, along with , Iraq, Lebanon, Libya , Syria, Yemen, and Iran, were among ” the group” of middle eastern countries that voted “against” the creation of the state of Israel, and the 1948 partition plan for Palestine….

    the others were Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and India.

    Are you so sure, Mr Shamir , that Israel “doesn’t” have a long memory of countries that voted against its “existence “?

    I’m not.

    • Replies: @Israel Shamir
  46. Svigor says:

    Nowadays many pro-Western Russians feel “white”, as they became infected by the racist rhetoric of the West

    Funny shit. What are you smoking? It’s also funny how Soviet states remained very white throughout (and Russofied a great many Soviet territories), and only started to see mass immigration of aliens after the end of Communism.

    Unless, of course, you meant to say that the Russians are becoming infected with the racist, anti-white rhetoric of the West. That would make perfect sense.

    • Replies: @Israel Shamir
  47. annamaria says:

    Agree with you. The replacement is bizarre. On the other hand, the RF seems to follow “keep your friends close and your enemies closer.” There are too many former Soviets among Israelis; and who better can understand them than the citizens of the Russian Federation.
    Perhaps this could sound out of proportion, but the emerging property of national character in the US is psychopathy. The fear of losing money and power (and the possibility to have an enormous amount of both) has resulted in certain “epigenetic” traits of a cultivated psychopathy or anti-humansim (anti-spirituality in general terms). It takes inner strength to be a decent person.
    Look at the MSM presstitute: they are the caricatures of human beings. They are “kept” women and men. The same is true about the White House and Pentagon, unfortunately.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  48. annamaria says:

    The truth about the premeditated murder of the young pilot has been emerging and shows with absolute clarity that it was indeed the premeditated murder.
    “The Obama administration’s reluctance to address the specific issue of where the plane was shot down indicates that it is well aware of that fact. But the administration is far too committed to its policy of working with Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar to force regime change in Syria to reveal the truth about the incident.”

  49. geokat62 says:
    @Israel Shamir

    As for Israel, surely this is not the only source of evil in our world.

    No, of course not. But surely you acknowledge it is the source of the neocon policy of remaking the ME by regime changing those countries that are deemed hostile to it. If so, surely you’d agree that it bears primary responsibility for all the death and destruction in the region that has ensued… as well as the escalation in tensions between Turkey and Russia?

  50. Rurik says:

    The replacement is bizarre. On the other hand, the RF seems to follow “keep your friends close and your enemies closer.”

    I see it as a chess move, made to look benign enough as to be almost a retreat, like moving your knight back obliquely into defensive territory, but with four steps planned in advance. This chess board doesn’t just have Putin and Bibi against each other, but the entire world and mega-corporations against each other. Turkey and the US and Germany and France and India and China and S. America and Africa and all of Asia against each other, all trying to make alliances to crush some perceived threat. All eyes are looking at the moves and trying to anticipate some mistake or advantage to be gained. Poland is looking at US is looking at Israel is looking at Russia is pressuring pawn Belarus is agitating Ukraine is pressuring the EU into intriguing some other agent or possible dupe or patsy. And all of them looking to serve their own interests at someone’s else’s expense while gaining some advantage.

    Putin reaching out to Israel is no more bizarre than the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact of ‘let’s be friends’. It’s all part of the Machiavellian intrigues and 21st century statecraft and treachery. All very Kissingeresque and realpolitik.

    If we know or can tell what they’re doing, they’re doing it wrong.

  51. annamaria says:

    More on the US/Israel nurturing of ISIS:
    “The evidence is scattered, although an ominous picture now emerges. One sees assorted rebel forces, backed by the US and others, which have created a Salafist Principality in eastern Syria, ISIS territory today, that poses a direct threat to Assad. … the UN Disengagement and Observer Force (UNDOF) stationed on the Golan Heights between Israel and Syria has reported seeing that Israel has worked closely with the Al Nusra Front. Also suspicious is the US position, which has been to insist on Assad’s removal before the fight with ISIS, an embarrassing position because Russia’s involvement with pushing back and destroying ISIS has made America turn reluctantly to cooperate with Russia and temporarily deemphasize regime change…”

  52. Rurik says:

    Thanks Kiza,

    and then again, as you mention, there really is no longer any such thing as ‘the rule of law’ or International Law anymore. Just as there’s no longer any such thing as a US Constitution, other than a quaint relic from a romantic dream long ago. These resolutions are really superfluous window dressing to try to give some false legitimacy to the new mantra of the 21st century = ‘might means right!’ and the exceptional people who will impose it on Libya or Syria or American journalists like Michael Hastings if need be.

    The USA is running an international torture camp where innocent men are declared un-persons and subject to the will and whim of assorted sadists and fiends. They shove tubes up their sphincters (sorry) and they inject them with gruel in unnatural ways when these pitiful men try to starve themselves to death. I don’t think anyone at the UN really gives a damn about international law or anything other than keeping their diplomatic perks. They probably have drinks in the back rooms and laugh their arses off at the puerile naiveté of the world’s people to have any trust in that bought and bribed den of crooks and opportunists.

    but that’s just how I see it, more or less ; )

  53. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The Russians are using white phosphorus on Syrian civilians:

    Russia is opening itself up to being hit with tactical nuclear strikes on its cities by the US if it keeps this up. The Pentagon won’t hesitate if these war crimes continue.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @annamaria
    , @5371
  54. Kiza says:

    Has anyone considered why ISIS has failed to bring down the Syrian Government, as the Coalition of the Sponsors of Terrorism intended? Is that not the most interesting question?

    Firstly, the links between the Coalition and ISIS are a little overblown. Many of ISIS leaders were blowing up US troops in Iraq before David Petraeus paid them off to stop. Therefore, no-one could say that ISIS are direct friends of US. However, the US Petraeus did pay them their first income after Governor Paul Bremer made them unemployed (stupidly). I am not sure, but I would not be surprised if many of the former Ba’athists were not also educated in the West during Saddam (on Saddam’s scholarships). All-in-all, ISIS leadership would not be friends and would not be the enemies of the US.

    Secondly, if one considers what ISIS have occupied – they really focused on the oil rich parts of Syria and Iraq, caring much less for the population centers, unless they were of strategic importance. They made statements of wanting to spread over Europe, Asia and Africa, but stayed close to oil.

    Therefore, why would ISIS bring down the Syrian Government when it got Syrian oil. Perhaps, the Ziocon hope was that the Syrian Government would collapse without oil income, but Iran and Russia stepped in with loans and prevented this outcome. Now both stepped in militarily as well. For the first time ever, the regime/government change has hit a snag. Russia hitting the stolen oil is a kind of evener – now neither ISIS/Al Qaeda nor the Syrian Government will have oil as a primary source of income. This is why Saudi Arabia and US are now stepping up the arming and paying Al Qaeda in Syria. Al Qaeda is what the US calls moderate head-choppers. The king of pay offs himself, David Petraeus, was the first to suggest this solution publicly about 18 months ago.

    Therefore, the currently planned regime change force is Al Qaeda, with Kurdish YPG and Western special forces. But whilst Al Qaeda does have fanatics who are terribly hard to defend against, I cannot see the fat-Kurds, what I call YPG, as fighters bringing down the Syrian Government. What is a poor regime changer to do, when no-one wants to die for his plans? What a predicament!

    • Replies: @Kiza
  55. geokat62 says:

    The Russians are using white phosphorus on Syrian civilians…

    Not so fast. You forgot to include all the qualifiers used in this story:

    “Numerous reports claim…”

    “Photographs posted to Twitter by activists … show what is allegedly…”

    “… activists on the ground claim that civilians…”

    “Human rights organisations have claimed…”

    “Although the photographs haven’t been verified, citizen journalists… alleged…”

  56. 5371 says:

    Go find out what the word “tactical” means, bozo.

  57. Kiza says:

    In dealing with Russia, I have been saying that Israel is the Police Commissioner, US is a bad cop, France is a good cop and Turkey is a K9 (police dog).

    Now here is proof. France has started ordering Russia around, which head-choppers it may or may not bomb:

    • Replies: @Avery
  58. Che Guava says:

    Nice comment!

    I always think that the doctors killing Stalin before his planned political campaign was a pivotal event, the end being the USSR sold out by traitors, who gained massive profits in the process.

    The so called ‘oligarchs’.

  59. Avery says:

    Hollande/France “ordering” Putin/Russia around ?

    Au contraire mon ami.

    (Reuters is an MSM propaganda and disinformation outlet: don’t believe everything they write. Their job is to advance the Neocon agenda; not to report news accurately.)

    Islamist Erdogan asked his friend Obama to save his Turkmen (Turk) terrorists from being pulverized, after savages murdered the Russian pilot.
    (Russian and Syrian artillery have been pounding the area relentlessly after the murder).
    So Obama ordered spineless Hollande to ask Putin: so he asked; now what ?

    Russia is going to hit whoever and whatever SAA and Russian military decide needs to get hit.

    Another thing: D.C. Neocons are terrified that France might leave their camp and join up with Russia, so are putting the screws to Hollande.
    General De Gaul is turning in his grave of what has become of his proudly independent France.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  60. schmenz says:

    “In my view, the state of Israel is the top level manipulator and the benefactor of all chaos in the ME and wider.”

    I too find it fascinating that Israel always seems to land on its feet during these Middle East catastrophes. Now, they are selling Russia the produce that Turkey once did, and Bibi is basking in more untold billions of US taxpayer dollars to assuage his hurt feelings over the Iran deal, with maybe the Pollard release thrown in as a bonus.

    And ISIS never seems to be a thorn in Israel’s side, either.

    The Israelis must live charmed lives!

    • Replies: @Rurik
  61. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I do not trust a Jew/Hebrew a single word.
    Regardless, what he writes and thinks.
    They killed 70 million Slavic people. No word of apology. They have to compensate the deaths.

  62. annamaria says:

    “General De Gaul is turning in his grave of what has become of his proudly independent France.” But a faux philosopher and true Zionist Bernard-Henri Lévy is very happy.

  63. Rurik says:

    Hey schmenz,

    And ISIS never seems to be a thorn in Israel’s side, either.

    here’s a video put out by Palestinians mocking the way ISIS treats Israelis

    • Replies: @tbraton
  64. tbraton says:
    @Israel Shamir

    “Bibi does not know where Afghanistan is/was. Difficult to ascribe the US war on Afghan to Bibi.”

    Well, I have no idea whether Netanyahu knows where Afghanistan is or was, but that didn’t stop him from spouting nonsense about Afghanistan on national TV in the U.S. a few years ago. Here is what I posted five years ago on The American Conservative:

    “tbraton says:
    August 2, 2010 at 12:21 am
    Pons Seclorum:

    Here is the relevant exerpt from the transcript of the Netanyahu-Chris Wallace interview on Fox News Sunday on July 11, 2010 in which Netanyahu states that “the Taliban dispatched Al Qaeda to bomb New York and Washington”:

    “PM NETANYAHU: You can’t rely on the fact that they’ll obey the calculations of cost and benefit that have governed all nuclear powers since the rise of the nuclear age after Hiroshima and Nagasaki. We’ve had effective nuclear peace for more than half a century because everybody understood the rules. I don’t think you can rely on Iran, I don’t think you can rely on other radicals like the Taliban – they dispatched al Qaeda to bomb New York and Washington.

    What were they thinking? Were they that stupid? They weren’t stupid. There is an irrationality here. And there’s madness in this method. And we should not allow irrational regimes like Iran to have nuclear weapons. It’s the ultimate terrorist threat today…””

    I followed up with another message:

    “tbraton says:
    August 3, 2010 at 9:57 am
    Pons Seclorum:

    What makes Netanyahu’s remarks even more disturbing is not just the reversal of the commonly held view of the Taliban-al Qaeda relationship but the tying together of Iran and the Taliban and tagging them both with the “irrational” label: “I don’t think you can rely on Iran, I don’t think you can rely on other radicals like the Taliban – they dispatched al Qaeda to bomb New York and Washington. What were they thinking? Were they that stupid? They weren’t stupid. There is an irrationality here. And there’s madness in this method. And we should not allow irrational regimes like Iran to have nuclear weapons. It’s the ultimate terrorist threat today”

    The idea that the Taliban was the mastermind behind Al Qaeda’s attacks on the U.S. on 9/11 simply flies in the face of everything we know about the Taliban and Al Qaeda, which does raise the question of why Israel is pushing that line of argument. Since people generally lie for a reason, I have a hard time understanding what stake Israel has in our continued occupation of Afghanistan, unless it lies in the next door neighbor, Pakistan, which just happens to be a Muslim country that possesses nuclear weapons. Is Israel planning our next war? That would be yet another war that our “closest friend and ally” Israel played absolutely no role in and paid no price in lives lost.

    It is much easier to figure out Netanyahu’s attempt to tie Iran with the Taliban (the “architect” of 9/11) and, thus, with Al Qaeda. He is just using a page out of Dick Cheney’s playbook, when he insinuated that Saddam Hussein had some ties with Al Qaeda, despite the fact that the secular Hussein was a political target of Al Qaeda. Trying to tie Iran to the Taliban and its messenger boy Al Qaeda is even more far-fetched. That would require everyone to forget that Iran was opposed to the Taliban throughout its reign in Afghanistan and that Iran played a role in helping the U.S. dislodge the Taliban from its rule over Afghanistan. The connection between Shite Persian Iran and the Arab Sunni Al Qaeda is even more laughable.

    The bottom line of Netanyahu’s ahistorical and inventive recitation of political ties among Iran, the Taliban and Al Qaeda is that they all belong to a category of political actors who can only be characterized as “irrational.” This obviously is part of the propaganda effort being laid preparatory to a preemptive attack on Iran. What makes those charges even more disturbing is that it simply echoes what state legislator Barack Obama said in an interview with the Chicago Tribune back in 2004 when he was running for the U.S. Senate when he stated that missile attacks against Iran might be necessary should economic sanctions prove unsuccessful in persuading Iran to give up its nuclear enrichment program:

    “Obama said that violent Islamic extremists are a vastly different brand of foe than was the Soviet Union during the Cold War, and they must be treated differently.

    “With the Soviet Union, you did get the sense that they were operating on a model that we could comprehend in terms of, they don’t want to be blown up, we don’t want to be blown up, so you do game theory and calculate ways to contain,” Obama said. “I think there are certain elements within the Islamic world right now that don’t make those same calculations.

    “… I think there are elements within Pakistan right now–if Musharraf is overthrown and they took over, I think we would have to consider going in and taking those bombs out, because I don’t think we can make the same assumptions about how they calculate risks.”” [Don’t bother clicking on that link since it no longer works. However, anyone interested in buying a website should click on it. Obama’s 2004 interview with the Chicago Tribune has been preserved on other sites, even though the Tribune strangely deleted it from its own website.]

    • Replies: @Israel Shamir
  65. @RobinG

    I found it by a simple Google search.

    It seems to have originated from the Zionist rag Commentary.

    What their agenda might be one can only guess, but as the tone was critical/negative, one might guess that of the two Kurdish leadership groups, the Israelis prefer the other.

    And, as always, full disclosure: I’m an American and a Jew.

  66. tbraton says:

    How do you think ISIS fighters get such good medical care in Israel? Besides, why would ISIS want to antagonize its best customer for stolen Syrian oil?

    Hilarious video btw.

  67. Rurik says:

    How do you think ISIS fighters get such good medical care in Israel?

    from what I understand the Doctors Without Borders hospital was bombed as a warning for treating the wounds of regular Syrian government soldiers as well as ISIS head slicers. Israel hospitals only treat the ISIS head slicers and leave the Syrian soldiers to die of their wounds.

    • Replies: @Kiza
  68. Svigor says:

    Russia is opening itself up to being hit with tactical nuclear strikes on its cities by the US if it keeps this up. The Pentagon won’t hesitate if these war crimes continue.


    Having fun with that fantasy?

  69. Kiza says:

    You mixed up countries there a bit Rurik, MSF hospital in Afghanistan was bombed by US, not in Syria. Besides, MSF is a cover for French Intelligence agents, spies for NATO. The medical ops, which are neutral and treat any wounded, are a nice cover for the intelligence work. For example, MSF has been kicked out of Donbass in Ukraine, for spying on rebels of Russian ethnicity.

    A cynic could even suggest that the US bombed the MSF hospital to buy credibility for the MSF operations after the Donbass kick-out, since none of the medical staff at the hospital in Afghanistan when it was bombed were Western (thus expandable).

    • Replies: @Avery
    , @Anonymous
  70. Avery says:

    {for spying on rebels of Russian ethnicity.}

    Let’s not call them rebels: they are not.
    They are freedom fighters, fighting neo-Nazi invaders of their homeland who have the goal of ethnically cleansing them.
    The Neo-Nazi junta in Kiev is illegitimate: nobody in Novorossiya elected the gang in Kiev to represent them.

    • Agree: Kiza, Seamus Padraig
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  71. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Russia is going down as soon as Obama leaves the White House. Sooner if it does something real stupid that leaves the weak and cowardly Obama with no choice. It’s just a matter of time now. The only question now is how many Russians will have to suffer because they supported Putin’s aggression and support of dictators in Syria and the Ukraine against the Syrian and Ukrainian people.

    • Replies: @Avery
    , @Kiza
    , @annamaria
  72. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    No, they’re Neo-Soviet guerrillas trying to ethnically cleanse Ukrainian patriots and impose Soviet style dictatorship on Ukraine. They even had Soviet style names like Donetsk People’s Republic and Luhansk People’s Republic before changing it to hide their Neo-Soviet agenda.

    • Replies: @Avery
    , @5371
    , @Israel Shamir
  73. Avery says:

    Yes, they are Russian freedom fighters.
    No, there are no such things as “Ukrainian patriots” in Novorossiya: only Neo-Nazi Azov Battalion goons that were killed off by heroic Novorussian freedom fighters.

  74. Avery says:

    Delusional dreamers have been hallucinating about Russia supposedly “going down” for 20+ years. Nothing they have tried has worked. Currency manipulation, sanctions, oil shocks,…Russia shrugged them off and is getting stronger.

    The cruise missile salvo from the Caspian Sea shocked the Hell out of Neocon warmongers. They wet their pants and panties, not knowing what else Russians got that they knew nothing about. Suddenly it became very dangerous for the chickenhawks to murder innocents from a safe distance. Suddenly they realized that somebody can do the same to them.

  75. 5371 says:

    The names changed? And you are still the only person on earth who knows about it?

  76. Kiza says:

    …how many Russians will have to suffer because they supported Putin’s aggression and support of dictators in Syria and the Ukraine against the Syrian and Ukrainian people.

    I am not sure exactly what you have in mind, unless you are a total nut religious Rapturist, for the New Coming of Christ through global nuclear explosions and want us all to be roast meat.

    How are you going to make the Russians suffer?
    What kept you from making them suffer already?
    Are you in a position to order punishment?
    Finally, the US is full of f’ed up nut cases, are you one of those?
    Have you forgotten to take your pills?

  77. @Rurik

    Yes, sure, Israel supported and called for the US attack on Iraq, but the recent example of Iran shows that the US presidents are able to resist Israeli/Jewish pressure if they find it important. The neocons, beside being Jewish and pro-Israel, they are also violently anti-socialist. And anyway, countries that sided with the USSR appear rebellious and should be undone, for this reason.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  78. @alexander

    All Muslim countries, as far as I remember, voted against partition – if they had a right to vote, and many hadn’t.
    In general, I do not subscribe to Single Cause theory (everything is done for and by Jews), nor in positive, neither in negative sense.

    • Replies: @RobinG
    , @alexander
  79. @Anonymous

    Neo-Soviet guerrillas – that would be nice, but no such luck. Colonel Strelkov, their first leader, is a devout monarchist. His motto was “Forgive us, Sire!” (a reference to Tsar Nicolas being executed). There were pro-Soviet people, too, but they did not lead the revolt.

  80. @tbraton

    Netanyahu always supports an attack on anybody. It s his knee jerk. I do not remember when he was against a war. His talk on terrorists usually aims to smear Palestinians as “terrorists” by comparing them to al Qaeda etc. He did not push specifically for an attack on Afghanistan.

    • Replies: @tbraton
  81. @Svigor

    Svigor, Europeans and Russians did not use and did not know the concept of “white”, because there were no blacks in their lands. It is used now in certain circles as an ideological import from the US. Russians consider Armenians, Turks, Spaniards, Georgians as “non-white”, but this did not stop them from adoring Stalin, the Georgian etc. Anti-white rhetoric is also an American thing, quite unknown in the Old World.
    It is very kind of you to inquire what do I smoke. It is usually Golden Virginia (in the US), or Bali Shag (when in Israel). Good you reminded me to go out and buy a new can.

    • Replies: @5371
    , @Rurik
    , @RobinG
  82. tbraton says:
    @Israel Shamir

    ” He [Netanyahu] did not push specifically for an attack on Afghanistan.”

    I didn’t say he did, but he falsely stated (without being challenged by host Chris Wallace) on Fox News Sunday back in 2010 that the Taliban was the “mastermind” behind 9/11 and responsible for urging on Al Qaeda to attack the U.S. on 9/11, an assertion that has absolutely no basis in fact. As I stated, his motivation was to show how “irrational” certain actors can be and why they can’t be entrusted with nuclear weapons in the same way as the “rational members of the nuclear club,” which includes rational actor Israel and rational actor U.S., the only country ever to use nuclear weapons in war time. I think his true target back then was Afghanistan’s next door neighbor, Iran, and he was laying the groundwork for why Iran should be attacked by the West, i.e., to protect the world from an irrational actor like Iran possessing nuclear weapons or even having the capacity to produce nuclear weapons. In fact, he stated in his Fox interview that “And we should not allow irrational regimes like Iran to have nuclear weapons. It’s the ultimate terrorist threat today…”

    (That Iran should not be allowed to possess nuclear enrichment facilities, something it was specifically permitted as a signatory to the NPT, was also a position subscribed to by Senatorial candidate Barack Obama back in 2004, which is one major reason why the Jewish neocons were so comfortable with him as a candidate and major contributors to his campaigns, an enthusiasm which appears to have dimmed over time, after he became President. That may also explain Obama’s rather strange reference in the same interview to Pakistan, where he thought we might have to invade to remove their nuclear weapons in the event Musharraf was overthrown in a coup.)

    I find it very interesting that Netanyahu made no reference to North Korea, a charter member of the “Axis of Evil” and certainly an “irrational actor” on the world stage if there ever was one. So he was urging an attack on a country that did not possess nuclear weapons, Iran, and not even mentioning the country that did possess nuclear weapons, North Korea, as a threat to world peace.

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  83. 5371 says:
    @Israel Shamir

    [because there were no blacks in their lands]

    But they travelled to lands where there were, and yellows too.

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  84. geokat62 says:

    I think his true target back then was Afghanistan’s next door neighbor, Iran, and he was laying the groundwork for why Iran should be attacked by the West, …

    I think you’re onto something. If you look at a map of the region, you’ll notice that Iran is smack dab in between Iraq and Afghanistan. So you get US forces to invade Afghanistan in 2001 and Iraq in 2003, and Iran in 20xx?

  85. Rurik says:
    @Israel Shamir

    And anyway, countries that sided with the USSR appear rebellious and should be undone, for this reason.

    this seems a rather odd thing to say

    but then I don’t always know when Mr. Shamir is playing the wry sardonic

    for the record, I think the only former satellite state that’s being ‘undone’ is the Ukraine, and that crime is of course being foisted by the US State Dept and assorted Zionists like Kolomoisky., and not because they were former allies of the USSR, but because those Zionists are trying to punish Putin for not allowing them to do a ‘Libya’ on Syria among other things

    Yes? No?

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  86. Rurik says:
    @Israel Shamir

    Russians did not use and did not know the concept of “white”, because there were no blacks in their lands.

    Euro-Americans considered themselves ‘white’ vis-à-vis the “Indians” long before the blacks arrived. And the Russians had their share of Mongols killing and raping them and Tartars kidnaping them and selling their women and children into Muslim slavery to make enough of an imprint on their racial memory of the joys of diversity without needing any blacks around for that purpose.

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  87. annamaria says:

    “…Putin’s aggression and support of dictators in Syria and the Ukraine against the Syrian and Ukrainian people.”
    Mr. (Mrs.) Anonimous, this is not the Wall Street Journal. The Unz Review does not belong to MSM (the presstitutes). Parroting the State Department line is not popular here. For instance, people that frequent this site do not believe that Mr. Cheney is the greatest statesman alive and that his protege Mrs. Nuland-Kagan is a person loyal to the interests of the US citizenry first and foremost. It is also very questionable that the PNAC and its plans (see the results of implementation of the plans in Iraq, Libya, and Syria) were conceived for the benefit of the US’ and European citizenry. It is also quite possible that the presence of the CIA director in Kiev on the eve of the beginning of Kiev’ junta assault against Ukrainian citizens in the eastern part of Ukraine was not an accident. The pre-coup-d’etat government was bad, but at least it was legitimate unlike the new one made of the CIA assets; the pre-coup-d’etat government was democratically elected, whereas the “Yatz” and others have been selected by the State Dept.
    If you are so sensitive to dictatorship, you may want to learn about Saudi Arabia and Qatar, which both have been providing the vital support for ISIS; both kingdoms are on the best terms with the White House. The legitimate Syrian government has invited Russian Federation to help fighting against ISIS. Who has invited ISIS to Syria? And who has invited there Turkey, Israel, and the mysterious (and very expensive!) “moderate jihadis” trained by the US?
    And the last question: have you studied physics at your high school? Please learn about nuclear fission and fusion and their effects on the living organisms. Here is a stat to ponder: “Nine countries in the world possess a total of 15,695 nuclear weapons. The United States and Russia account for 93 percent of them.”

  88. RobinG says:
    @Israel Shamir

    Was Pushkin’s great-great-grandfather the only one? (Talk about upwardly mobile — he went from slave/page to General de Chef. Through his 2nd wife, he married into nobility.)

    “Pushkin’s great-grandfather was Abram Petrovich Gannibal (1696–1781), an African page kidnapped and brought to Russia as a gift for Peter the Great. Abram wrote in a letter to Empress Elizabeth, Peter the Great’s daughter, that Gannibal was from the town of “Lagon”. Largely on the basis of a mythical biography by Gannibal’s son-in-law Rotkirkh, some historians concluded from this that Gannibal was born in a part of what was then the Abyssinian Empire.[9] Vladimir Nabokov, when researching Eugene Onegin, cast serious doubt on this origin theory. Later research by the scholars Dieudonné Gnammankou and Hugh Barnes eventually conclusively established that Gannibal was instead born in Central Africa, in an area bordering Lake Chad in modern-day Cameroon.[9][14] After education in France as a military engineer, Gannibal became governor of Reval and eventually Général en Chef (the third most senior army rank) in charge of the building of sea forts and canals in Russia.”

    (from Wikipedia, but widely documented)

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  89. annamaria says:

    Here is a curious comment from Saker site: “…the West, especially President Obama, will grossly underestimate the Russian peoples and government willingness to sacrifice everything, if they must, to save the Christian world from what they believe are satanic barbarians.”

    From an atheist’ point of view, a comparison of the deeds of the supposedly very pious Tony Blair (UK), Mielkovski/Netanyahu (Israel), and Obama (US) with the strenuous attempts of Russian federation at stopping the liver-eaters and head-choppers in the Middle East does indeed suggest a fight between the good and evil. Bush the lesser proudly claimed that he conversed with “god” before making “decisions.” The results of these divine conversations have been the rivers of blood and mountains of flesh – the millions of destroyed human beings of all ages, mostly innocent civilians. Add to that the prominence of Scull and Bones society, this incubator of the high-echelon of the US policy makers. The society’s logo is, well, scull and bones and its meeting place is known as the “Tomb.” What kind of gods the US “political elites” have been worshipping to?

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  90. RobinG says:
    @Israel Shamir

    “I do not subscribe to Single Cause theory”

    Agreed. There are multiple forces simultaneously interacting.

    OT – I just watched what purported to be the “graphic video” of DAESH beheading a Russian. What I saw was edited and blurred out at several critical points. Tragic if this was real, but conceivably was staged. Do you (anyone) have an opinion? Is there an unedited version? Not that the liver-eaters wouldn’t do it.

  91. alexander says:
    @Israel Shamir

    Is that what Single cause theory is…everything is done for and by Jews ?

    I have never heard of it ….. I am not sure I subscribe to it either..and I must say Mr Shamir I resent your suggesting that killing lots of innocent people is something done for or by “Jews” ..

    when most that I know find it appalling…..

    If you make a list of every middle eastern country that voted against the creation of Israel..on the other hand …..Six of the nine have been destroyed or demolished in some form or another…….If you’re suggesting that is pure coincidence I am not sure I buy it. or should.

    List of middle eastern nations that voted against the creation of the state of Israel in 1948…

    Saudi Arabia

    Maybe it is worth considering what the real motivations were to decimate all these nations over the past fifteen years since none ever attacked or even represented a viable threat to the United States…and most of the rationales that were stated seemed to collapse , not shortly after their destruction ensued.

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  92. Kiza says:

    I truly despise the term “innocent civilians” because the soldiers defending their country against the US, Israeli, Turkish, British, Saudi, French etc attacks are also innocent, or rather they are even more than innocent – they are the heroes defending their country against the forces of evil, the Coalition of the Sponsors of Terrorism.

    Essentially, “innocent civilians/victims” is a propaganda term invented by the Western propagandists to pre-qualify the people that their opponents may have killed or that the West want to claim that their opponents have killed (usually lies). When the West kill non-combatants themselves and cannot deny this, then they just apply a technical term “collateral damage” as if undefended human lives were some glass jars in the kitchen that they knocked off with their elbows.

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  93. Kiza says:

    A picture says a thousand words, a must see:
    BEFORE and AFTER Usrael brought freedom and democracy

  94. annamaria says:

    The White House is furious about the universally perceived complete loss of dignity, hence the stupid and bad-mannered behavior of Obama towards the recent Russian tragedies.

    “President Obama has displayed a stunning lack of sympathy for the Russian civilians killed in an ISIS plane bombing in Egypt and for two Russian military men slain as victims of U.S. weapons systems in Syria, putting insults toward President Putin ahead of human decency…
    Normally, when a country is hit by an act of terrorism, there is universal sympathy even if the country has engaged in actions that may have made it a target of the terrorists. After 9/11, for instance, any discussion of whether U.S. violent meddling in the Middle East may have precipitated the attack was ruled out of the public debate.
    Similarly, the 7/7 attacks against London’s Underground in 2005 were not excused because the United Kingdom had joined in President George W. Bush’s aggressive war in Iraq. The same with the more recent terror strikes in Paris. No respectable politician or pundit gloated about the French getting what they deserved for their long history of imperialism in the Muslim world.
    But a different set of rules apply to Russia. Along with other prominent Americans, President Barack Obama and New York Times columnist Thomas L. Friedman have expressed smug satisfaction over the murder of 224 people aboard a Russian charter flight blown up over the Sinai and in the slaying of a Russian pilot who had been shot down by a Turkish warplane and the killing of a Russian marine on a rescue mission.
    Apparently, the political imperative to display disdain for Russian President Vladimir Putin trumps any normal sense of humanity. Both Obama on Tuesday and Friedman on Wednesday treated those Russian deaths at the hands of the Islamic State or other jihadists as Putin’s comeuppance for intervening against terrorist/jihadist gains in Syria.”

    Obama looks like a broken puppet. If the jihadis’ terrorist actions are used for the US/Israel purposes, the terrorists are good and the victims are bad.

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  95. annamaria says:

    The incessant drive of sowing the dragons’ teeth in Eastern Europe. “NATO Picks a New Fight with Russia.”

    The methods of Western politics have become transformed into a pure gangsterism. From protecting the Erdogans’ family business with ISIS to redirecting the funds for social services to war manufacturers, the Empire care not about the “biomass.” The sight of the parasitoid plutocracy devouring the world has been unraveling before the humanity’s eyes. The upcoming nuclear catastrophe endangers the parasitoids as well, but they cannot stop their pursuit of money and power – they just are not able to stop on their own: they are parasitoids. And since the healthy mechanisms of control over the “deciders” have been shut down, the deadly growth can be stopped only by the failure of the whole system, to which the parasitoids are dragging the world.

  96. Kiza says:

    I remind you of Eric Graf von Turd Margolis – he wrote that the bombing of Metrojet and the killing of 224 passengers 17 of who were children was Effective and Productive. The level to which this refuse of humanity will stoop is unimaginable – you have to read it to see how low the mind of a Western CIA servant dwells.

  97. Kiza says:

    Erdogan has dismissed a medical doctor for sharing a photo of him as Smeagol (from Lord of the Rings) and is now suing the same doctor to put him in jail for up to four years:

    These are the standard US allies and friends: Saudi head-choppers, thin-skinned-tin-pot Turkish dictators and so on. Your friends show the best who you really are.

  98. Kiza says:

    Here is more on the “secular democracy” in Turkey. You oppose Erdogan, your business gets attacked by government “regulators”:

  99. @Rurik

    Russians fought for centuries against their neighbours Tatars (various Turkish tribes). They are also white; it is quite difficult to distinguish between Russians and Tatars. Actual real Mongols were too few to influence Russian mind. The Mongol rule usually is described as “Tatar yoke”. Though Turks are quite different from the Russians culture-wise, they are quite similar by their looks; especially when we refer to Crimean or Volga Tatars.

  100. @Rurik

    “Sardonic” is right. The East Europeans and the former Soviet republics fully submitted to the Western rule. Other pro-Soviet countries were properly undone, as South Yemen (Aden), or are threatened like North Korea.

  101. @alexander

    Alexander, your reasoning would be valid if we’d know of Middle Eastern countries that voted for Israel in 1947. None did. So we can’t compare those who voted for with those who voted against. But even accepting your premise, it is not that dark. Your list is not correct. Libya did not vote at all; it hardly existed. Here is the list of voted against: Afghanistan, Cuba, Egypt, Greece, India, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Turkey, Yemen. Out of them, Cuba, Egypt, Greece, India, Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Turkey – more than half of the list – did not suffer.

  102. @RobinG

    One of very-very few. Russia is far and its inclement climate did not attract blacks; they were not needed as slaves, either, as ordinary Russians were slaves (serfs) until 1861.

  103. @5371

    Very few Russians ventured as far away as Africa. As for Chinese and Siberian native neighbours, the Russians would rather call them “slanty-eyes” than “yellow”.

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  104. 5371 says:
    @Israel Shamir

    That’s true. But you wrote ”Europeans and Russians”.

  105. Russian “liberal” = anti-Putin. I’ve met these Russian “liberals”; they’re pond scum. They’re the ones who colluded with Amerikastan to destroy not just Russia but Yugoslavia and Serbia in the 90s. To call them “liberal” is a scam. They’re Quislings, nothing more.

    Any Russian who actually believed Amerikastan or its imperialist vassal France was actually on Russia’s side could do with a brain transplant.

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