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Jeeves, the excellent valet of Mr Wooster, had an ace up his sleeve: if going was tough, he had used his access to the records of the Junior Ganymede club, and there he could find embarrassing stuff against anybody who had ever employed a valet or a butler, for these gentleman’s gentlemen were obliged to inscribe in the club’s book all imprudent exploits of their masters. Thanks to this inside knowledge, Jeeves had saved his meek master, Mr Bertie Wooster from the bully.

Jeeves was a modest man, and feudally loyal to his hare-brained master; so were other members of the Junior Ganymede. They didn’t try to turn the club book into a tool to wrench control over England from the Buckingham Palace. However, we live in the age of great ambitions, unhindered by excessive loyalty. The valets, butlers, and bodyguards pooled their forces and decided to run the world.

Conspiratorially-minded writers envisaged the Shadow World Government as a board of evil sages surrounded by the financiers and cinema moguls. That would be bad enough; in infinitely worse reality, our world is run by the Junior Ganymede that went berserk. It is not a government, but a network, like freemasonry of old, and it consists chiefly of treacherous spies and pens-for-hire, two kinds of service personnel, that collected a lot of data and tools of influence, and instead of serving their masters loyally, had decided to lead the world in the direction they prefer.

German Admiral Wilhelm Canaris, the last head of the Abwehr, Hitler’s Military Intelligence, had been such a spy with political ambitions. He supported Hitler as the mighty enemy of Communism; on a certain stage he came to conclusion that the US will do the job better and switched to the Anglo-American side. He was uncovered and executed for treason. His colleague General Reinhard Gehlen also betrayed his Führer and had switched to the American side. After the war, he continued his war against Soviet Russia, this time for CIA instead of Abwehr.

The spies are treacherous by their nature. They contact people who betrayed their countries; they work under cover, pretending to be somebody else; for them the switch of loyalty is as usual and normal as the gender change operation for a Moroccan doctor who is doing that 8 to 5 every day. They mix with foreign spies, they kill people with impunity; they break every law, human or divine. They are extremely dangerous if they do it for their own country. They are infinitely more dangerous if they work for themselves and still keep their institutional capabilities and international network.

Recently we had a painful reminding of their treacherous nature. Venezuela’s top spy, the former director of the Bolivarian National Intelligence Service (Sebin), Manuel Cristopher Figuera , had switched sides during the last coup attempt and escaped abroad as the coup failed. He discovered that his membership on the Junior Ganymede of the spooks is more important for him than his duty to his country and its constitution.

Within America, the alphabet agencies from NSA to CIA to FBI had betrayed their country as obviously as Figuera did, though they didn’t run away, yet. Our colleagues Mike Whitney and Philip Giraldi described the conspiracy organised by John Brennan of CIA with active participation of FBI’s James Comey, to regime-change the US. In the conspiracy, foreign intelligence agencies, primarily the British GCHQ, played an important role. As by law, these spies aren’t allowed to operate on their home ground, they go into you-scratch-my-back-I’ll-scratch-your-back routine. The CIA spies in England and passes the results to the British Intelligence. MI6 spies in the US and passes the results to CIA. They became integrated to unbelievable extent in the worldwide network of spies.

It is not the Deep State anymore; it is world spooks who had united against their legitimate masters. Instead of staying loyal to their country, the spooks betrayed their countries. They are not only strictly-for-cash – they think they know better what is good for you. In a way, they are a new incarnation of the Cecil Rhodes Society. Democratically-elected politicians and statesmen have to obey them or meet their displeasure, as Corbyn and Trump did.

Everywhere, in the US, the UK, and Russia, the spooks became too powerful to handle. The CIA stood behind assassination of JFK and tried to take down Trump. The British Intelligence undermined Jeremy Corbyn, after assisting the CIA in pushing for the Iraq war. They created the Steele Dossier, invented the Skripal hoax and had brought Russia and the West to the brink of nuclear war.

Russian spooks are in a special relations mode with the global network – for many years. In Russia, persistent rumours claim the perilous Perestroika of Mikhail Gorbachev had been designed and initiated by the KGB chief (1967 – 1982) Yuri Andropov. He and his appointees dismantled the socialist state and prepared the takeover of 1991 in the interests of the One World project.

Andropov (who had stepped into Brezhnev’s shoes in 1982 and died in 1984) had advanced Gorbachev and his architect of glasnost, Alexander Yakovlev. Andropov also promoted the arch-traitor KGB General Oleg Kalugin to head its counter-intelligence. Later, Kalugin betrayed his country, escaped to the US and delivered all Russian spies he knew of to the FBI hands.

In late 1980s-early 1990s, the KGB, originally the guarding dog of the Russian working class, had betrayed its Communist masters and switched to work for the Network. But for their betrayal, Gorbachev would not be able to destroy his country so fast: the KGB neutralised or misinformed the Communist leadership.

ORDER IT NOW

They allowed Chernobyl to explode; they permitted a German pilot to land on the Red Square – this was used by Gorbachev as an excuse to sack the whole lot of patriotic generals. The KGB people were active in subverting other socialist states, too. They executed the Romanian leader Ceausescu and his wife; they brought down the GDR, the socialist Germany; they plotted with Yeltsin against Gorbachev and with Gorbachev against Romanov. As the result of their plotting, the USSR fell apart.

The KGB plotters of 1991 had thought that post-Communist Russia would be treated by the West like the prodigal son, with a fattened calf being slaughtered for the welcome feast. To their disappointment, the stupid bastards discovered that their country was to play the part of the fattened calf at the feast, and they were turned from unseen rulers into billionaires’ bodyguards. Years later, Vladimir Putin came to power in Russia with the blessing of the world spooks and bankers, but being too independent a man to submit, he took his country into its present nationalist course, trying to regain some lost ground. The dissatisfied spooks supported him.

Only recently Putin began to trim the wild growth of his own intelligence service, the FSB. It is possible the cautious president had been alerted by the surprising insistence of the Western media that the alleged attempt on Skripal and other visible cases had been attributed to the GRU, the relatively small Russian Military Intelligence, while the much bigger FSB had been forgotten. The head of FSB cybercrime department had been arrested and sentenced for lengthy term of imprisonment, and two FSB colonels had been arrested as the search of their premises revealed immense amounts of cash, both Russian and foreign currency. Such piles of roubles and dollars could be assembled only for an attempt to change the regime, as it was demanded by the Network.

In the Ukraine, the heads of their state security, SBU had plotted against the last legitimate president Mr Victor Yanukovych. They helped to organise and run the Maidan 2014 manifestations and misled their President, until he was forced to escape abroad. The Maidan manifestations could be compared with the Yellow Vests movement; however, Macron, an appointee of the Network, had support of his spies, and stayed in power, while Yanukovych had been betrayed and overthrown.

In the US, the spooks allowed Donald Trump to become the leading Republican candidate, for they thought he would certainly lose to Mme Clinton. Surprisingly, he had won, and since then, this man who was advanced as an easy prey, as a buffoon, had been hunted by the spooks-and-scribes freemasonry.

You’d ask me, were they so stupid that they believed their own propaganda of inevitable Clinton’s victory? Yes, they were and are stupid. They are no sages, evil or benevolent. My main objection to the conspiracy theorists is that they usually view the plotters as omniscient and all-powerful. They are too greedy to be all-powerful, and they are too silly to be omniscient.

Their knowledge of official leaders’ faults gives them their feeling of power, but this knowledge can be translated into actual control only for weak-minded men. Strong leaders do not submit easily. Putin has had his quota of imprudent or outright criminal acts in his past, but he never allowed the blackmailers to dictate him their agenda. Netanyahu, another strong man of modern politics, also had managed to survive blackmail. Meanwhile, Trump defeated all attempts to unseat him, though his enemies had used his alleged lack of delicacy in relation to women, blacks and Jews to its utmost. He waded through the deep pond of Russiagate like Gulliver. But he has to purge the alphabet agencies to reach safety.

In Russia, the problem is acute. Many Russian spooks and ex-spooks feel more proximity to their enemies and colleagues in other countries than to their fellow citizens. There is a freemasonic quality in their camaraderie. Such a quality could be commendable in soldiers after the war is over, but here the war is going on. Russian spooks are particularly besotted with their declared enemies; apparently it is the Christian quality of the Russian soul, but a very annoying one.

When Snowden reached Moscow after his daring escape from Hong Kong, the Russian TV screened a discussion that I participated in, among journalists, members of parliament and ex-spies. The Russian spooks said that Snowden is a traitor; a person who betrayed his agency can’t be trusted and should be sent to the US in shackles. They felt they belong to the Spy World, with its inner bond, while their loyalty to Russia was a distant second.

During recent visit of Mike Pompeo to Sochi, the head of SVR, the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service, Mr Sergey Naryshkin proposed the State Secretary Mike Pompeo, the ex-CIA director, to expand contacts between Russian and US special services at a higher level. He clarified that he actively interacted with Pompeo during the period when he was the head of the CIA. Why would he need contacts with his adversary? It would be much better to avoid contacts altogether.

Even president Putin, who is first of all a Russian nationalist (or a patriot, as they say), who has granted Snowden asylum in Moscow at a high price of seriously worsening relations with Obama’s administration, even Putin has told Stone that Snowden shouldn’t have leaked the documents the way he did. “If he didn’t like anything at his work he should have simply resigned, but he went further”, a response proving he didn’t completely freed himself from the spooks’ freemasonry.

While the spooks plot, the scribes justify their plots. Media is also a weapon, and a mighty one. In Richard Wagner’s opera Lohengrin, the protagonist is defeated by the smear campaign in the media. Despite his miraculous arrival, despite his glorious victory, the evil witch succeeds to poison minds of the hero’s wife and of the court. The pen can counter the sword. When the two are integrated, as in the union of spooks and scribes, it is too dangerous tool to leave intact.

ORDER IT NOW

In many countries of Europe, editorial international policies had been outsourced to the spooky Atlantic Council, the Washington-based think tank. The Atlantic Council is strongly connected with NATO alliance and with Brussels bureaucracy, the tools of control over Europe. Another tool is The Integrity Initiative, where the difference between spies and journalists is blurred. And so is the difference between the left and the right. The left and the right-wing media use different arguments, surprisingly leading to the same bottom line, because both are tools of warfare for the same Network.

In 1930s, they were divided. The German and the British agents pulled and pushed in the opposite directions. The Russian military became so friendly with the Germans, that at a certain time, Hitler believed the Russian generals would side with him against their own leader. The Russian spooks were befriended by the Brits, and had tried to push Russia to confront Hitler. The cautious Marshal Stalin had purged the Red Army’s pro-German Generals, and the NKVD’s pro-British spooks, and delayed the outbreak of hostilities as much as he could. Now, however, the secret services’ cohesion and integration increased to the next level, making it difficult to deal with them.

If they are so powerful, integrated and united, shouldn’t we throw a towel in the ring and surrender? Hell, no! Their success is their undoing. They plot, but Allah is the best plotter, – our Muslim friends say. Indeed, when they succeed to suborn a party, the people vote with their feet. The Brexit is the case to consider. The Network wanted to undermine the Brexit; so they neutralised Corbyn by the antisemitism pursuit while May had made all she could to sabotage the Brexit while calling for it in public. Awfully clever of them – but the British voter responded with dropping both established parties. So their clever plot misfired.

People are fickle and not always know what is good for them; there are many demagogues to mislead the crowd. And still, elected legitimate officials should have precedence in governing, while non-elected ones should obey – and it means the Network spooks and media men should know their place.

Israel Shamir can be reached at [email protected]

This article was first published at The Unz Review.

 
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  1. Side note:

    How did John Brennan, James Clapper, James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Christopher Steele and other Spygate principals manage to rise to the top of the intelligence bureaucracy?

    Spymasters are usually renowned for their inscrutability and for playing their cards close to their vests.

    These characters have indulged in an orgy of highly conspicuous partisan political meddling and ranting that has created the strong public impression that they engaged in an attempted coup to overthrow a sitting American president on the basis of a frame-up that was largely fueled by Russian disinformation.

    Brennan in particular: can you imagine any previous CIA director comporting himself in this manner? Throwing all caution to the winds? Inconceivable.

    Brennan, Comey and Clapper have inflicted serious damage on the reputation of the CIA, FBI and ODNI.

    Forthcoming books will no doubt get into all the remarkable and bizarre details.

    Donald Trump has demonstrated the ability to troll and goad many of his opponents into a state of imbecility. It’s a negotiating tactic — knock them off balance, provoke them to lose control. No matter how smart they are, some people take the bait.

  2. I am sitting here pointing to my nose. Spies run the world – contemporary history in a nutshell. A few provisos:

    – It’s not just illegal surveillance and blackmail that gives the spies power, it’s impunity for even the gravest crimes. If you don’t get the message of blackmail you can be tortured or shot, with a bullet like JFK and RFK and Reagan, or with illegal biological weapons like Daschel and Leahy. Institutionalized impunity stares us in the face from US state papers.

    – It’s not that CIA and other neo-Gestapos escaped control. They were designed from inception for totalitarian control. The one poor bastard in Congress who pointed that out, Tydings, had McCarthy sicced on him for his cheek. CIA is not out of control; it’s firmly IN control.

    – There is a crucial difference between US and Russian spies. Russians can go over the head of their government to the world. That’s the only effective check on state criminal enterprise like CIA. Article 17 of the Russian Constitution says “in the Russian Federation rights and freedoms of person and citizen are recognized and guaranteed pursuant to the generally recognized principles and norms of international law and in accordance with this Constitution.” Article 18 states that rights and freedoms of the person and citizen are directly applicable, which prevents the kind of bad-faith tricks the USA pulls, like declaring “non-self executing” treaties, or making legally void reservations, declarations, understandings, and provisos to screw you out of your rights. Article 46(3) guarantees citizens a constitutional right to appeal to inter-State bodies for the protection of human rights and freedoms if internal legal redress has been exhausted. Ratified international treaties including the ICCPR supersede any domestic legislation stipulating otherwise.

  3. Isn’t it just collusion that holds certain elite groups together, including in some businesses where a lot of chicanery goes on. The most important thing is to be in on it as one of them, not as a person who can be trusted not to say anything, but as one of the gang. It’s exactly how absenteeism-friendly offices full of crony parents with crony-parent managers work.

    The only problem for the guy at the tippy top is what would happen if such a tight group turned on him / her? Maybe, some leaders see the value in protecting a few brave individuals, like Snowden, letting any coup-stirring spooks know that some people are watching the Establishment’s rights violators, too. Those with technical knowledge have more capacity than most to do it or, at least, to understand how it works.

    In a country founded on individual liberties, including Fourth Amendment privacy rights that were protected by less greedy generations, the US should have elected leaders that put the US Constitution first, but that is too much to ask in an era when the top dogs in business & government are all colluding for money.

  4. In Russia, persistent rumours claim the perilous Perestroika of Mikhail Gorbachev had been designed and initiated by the KGB chief (1967 – 1982) Yuri Andropov.

    FWIW, I have heard the exact same thing from Russian commenters myself. Some have insisted that, if Andropov had lived long enough, he would have carried glasnost and perestroika himself.

  5. Cyrano says:

    Spies are loathsome bunch, with questionable loyalties and personal integrity. But I believe that overall they play a positive role. They play a positive role because they help adversaries gain insight into their adversary’s activities.

    If it wasn’t for the spies, paranoia about what the other side is doing can get out of hand and cause wrong actions to take place. The problem with the spies is also that no one knows how much they can be trusted and on whose side they are really on.

    It was funny during the Cold war (the original one) – whenever each side unveiled that a spy from the other side has defected to them – they would say it was because of ideology – i.e. the spy defected to them because he “believed” in “democracy” or socialism – depending on the case.

    And in order to discredit their own spies when they defected to the other side – they would say that they did it for money, because they were greedy and that they betrayed “democracy” or socialism.

    The other crucial role that spies usually play is that they allow the adversaries to keep technological balance via industrial espionage. By transferring top military secrets, they don’t allow any side to gain crucial strategic advantage that might encourage them to do something foolish – like start a nuclear war. Prime example of this were probably the Rosenbergs – who helped USSR close the nuclear weapons gap with US and kept the world in a shaky nuclear arms balance.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  6. Kirt says:

    Profound analysis by Mr. Shamir. It confirms that one of the important reasons for the decline of freemasonry is the monopolization of political conspiracy by the intelligence services. Who needs the lodge when you have the CIA. An aspect of the rule of spies that Mr. Shamir does not touch on is the legitimization of this rule through popular culture. This started with the James Bond novels and movies and by now has become ubiquitous. Spies and assassins are the heroes of the masses. While secrecy is still needed for tactical reasons in the case of specific operations, overall secrecy is not needed nor even desirable. So you have thugs like Pompeo actually boasting of their villainy before audiences of college students at Texas A&M and you have the Mossad supporting the publication of the book Rise and Kill First which is an extensive account of their world-wide assassination policy. They have the power; now they want the perks that go with it, including being treated like rock stars.

    • Replies: @israel shamir
    , @Paw
    , @annamaria
  7. A valuable contribution to needed thought provoking.

  8. @Kirt

    Who needs the lodge when you have the CIA

    Good explanation of freemasonry’s decline, Kirt!
    As for popular culture – almost all latest cinema characters are spies – like Avengers))

    • Replies: @renfro
    , @Cortes
    , @tru3
  9. dear mr Shamir, the criminals are not only stupid but also utterly wicked. they will be stricken down in the twinkling of the eye and will cry out why God? all the righteous will shout for joy and give thanks to the Almighty for judging Babylon. woe unto them! they will have no place to hide or run to.

    Ezekiel 9 (NKJV)
    The Wicked Are Slain
    9 Then He called out in my hearing with a loud voice, saying, “Let those who have charge over the city draw near, each with a deadly weapon in his hand.” 2 And suddenly six men came from the direction of the upper gate, which faces north, each with his battle-ax in his hand. One man among them was clothed with linen and had a writer’s inkhorn at his side. They went in and stood beside the bronze altar.

    3 Now the glory of the God of Israel had gone up from the cherub, where it had been, to the threshold of the temple. And He called to the man clothed with linen, who had the writer’s inkhorn at his side; 4 and the Lord said to him, “Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and put a mark on the foreheads of the men who sigh and cry over all the abominations that are done within it.”

    5 To the others He said in my hearing, “Go after him through the city and kill; do not let your eye spare, nor have any pity. 6 Utterly slay old and young men, maidens and little children and women; but do not come near anyone on whom is the mark; and begin at My sanctuary.” So they began with the elders who were before the temple. 7 Then He said to them, “Defile the temple, and fill the courts with the slain. Go out!” And they went out and killed in the city.

    8 So it was, that while they were killing them, I was left alone; and I fell on my face and cried out, and said, “Ah, Lord God! Will You destroy all the remnant of Israel in pouring out Your fury on Jerusalem?”

    9 Then He said to me, “The iniquity of the house of Israel and Judah is exceedingly great, and the land is full of bloodshed, and the city full of perversity; for they say, ‘The Lord has forsaken the land, and the Lord does not see!’ 10 And as for Me also, My eye will neither spare, nor will I have pity, but I will recompense their deeds on their own head.”

    11 Just then, the man clothed with linen, who had the inkhorn at his side, reported back and said, “I have done as You commanded me.”

  10. Antares says:

    Espionage depends on contra-espionage. We will never get that hold on jewish spies as they can have on our spies.

    • Replies: @Yarkob
  11. Great article.

    E Michael Jones was just warning President Trump about the possibility of this in the Straits of Hormuz. https://youtu.be/iIm3WuJAVEE?t=272

    Spooks are everywhere, from secretaries “losing” important communications to CNN news anchors roleplaying with crisis actors, but they are at their most powerful when they are appointed to powerful positions. President Trump’s National Security Advisor is a spook and he does what he wants.

    John le Carre described it perfectly in “A Perfect Spy”. The spooks form their own country. They are only loyal to themselves.

    • Replies: @Marvelous Goy
  12. Yarkob says:
    @Antares

    that’s because the Mossad isn’t like “our” spy agencies. it’s closer to the old paradigm of the hashishim or true assassins. Mossad “agents” don’t gad around wearing dark glasses and tapping phones; they run proper deep cover operations. “sleepers” is a term used in the USA. they have jobs. they look “normal”. They integrate

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  13. MarkU says:

    Do spies run the world? No not really, bankers run the world.

    Bankers constitute most of the deep state in the US/UK in particular and most of Europe. It is the bankers/deep state which control the intelligence agencies. The ethnicity of a hefty proportion of said bankers is plain to see for anyone with functioning critical faculties. How else can a tiny country in the middle east have such influence in the US? How else do we explain why 2/3 of the UK parliament are “friends of Israel” How come financial institutions can commit felonies and no one does jail time? why is Israel allowed to commit war crimes and break international law with total impunity? who got bailed out of their gambling debts at the expense of inflicting “austerity” on most of the western world?

    I am open to any sensible alternative hypothesis.

  14. Realist says:
    @Sean McBride

    How did John Brennan, James Clapper, James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Christopher Steele and other Spygate principals manage to rise to the top of the intelligence bureaucracy?

    Shit floats.

  15. Sally says:

    A global supra-powerful, organized and united, privately directed, publicly backed society of high technology robin hood_mercenary_spooks who conduct sub-legal “scratch-my-back-I’ll-scratch-your-back [in the nation of the other] routines”; who ignore duty to country, its constitutions, its laws and human rights. The are evil, global acting, high technology nomads with a monopoly on extortion and terror.

    Since winning, Trump has been hunted by the spooks-and-scribes freemasonry. <fallacy is that Trump could have gained the assistence of every American, had Trump just used his powers to declassify all secret information and make it available to the public, instead he chases Assange, and continues to conduct the affairs of his office in secret.

    Propaganda preys on belief.. it is more powerful than an atomic weapon.. when the facts are hidden or when the facts are changed, distorted or destroyed.

    Your statement "spooks and ex-spooks feel more proximity to their enemies and colleagues in other countries than to their fellow citizens" fails makes clear the importance of containment-of-citizen access to information. Nation states are armed, rule making structures that invent propaganda and control access to information. Information containment and filtering is the essence of the political and economic power of a national leader and it is more import to the evil your article addresses.

    https://theintercept.com/2019/05/08/josh-gottheimer-democrats-yemen/ <i wrote IRT to the article, that contents appearing in private media supported monopoly powered corporations and distributed to the public, direct the use of military and the willingness of soldiers of 22 different countries.

    Control of the media is 50 times more important than control of the government? Nearly all actions of consequence are intended to drain the governed masses and such efforts can only be successful if the lobbying, false-misleading mind controlling privately owned (92% own by just 6 entities) centrally directed media can effectively control the all information environments.

    I am bothered by you article because it looks to be Trumped weighted and failes to make clear it is these secret apolitical, human rights abusers, that direct the contents of the media distributed articles that appear in the privately owmed, media distributed to the public. Also not explained is how the cost of advertising is shared by the monopoly powered corporations, and it is that advertising that is the source of support that keeps the fake news in business, the nation state propaganda in line, and the support of robin -hood terror.

    Monopoly powered global corporation advertising funds the fake and misleading private media, that is why the open internet has been shut in tight. In order for the evil, global acting, high technology nomads to continue their extortion and terror activities they need the media, its their only real weapon. I have never meet a member of any of the twenty two agencies that was not a trained, certified mental case terrorist.

  16. Anon[295] • Disclaimer says:

    I think the interplay between the spooks and scribes warrants a deeper explanation. Covert action refers to anything in which the author can disclaim his responsibility, ie it looks like someone else or something else. The handler in a political operation cannot abuse his agent because the agent is the actor. The handler in an intelligence gathering operation can abuse his agent because the agent merely enables action.

    The political operations in this case are propaganda. The Congress of Cultural Freedom is the most clearly described one to date. Propaganda is necessary in any mass society to ensure that voters care about the right issues, the right way, at the right time. Propaganda can be true, false, or a mix of the two. Black propaganda deals in falsehoods, ie the Steele Dossier. Black propaganda works best when it enables a pre-planned operation, but it pollutes the intelligence gathering process with disinformation.

    Intelligence gathering is colloquially called investigative reporting. If anyone knows about Gary Webb, Alan Frankovich, or Michael Hastings they know you can’t really do that job well for very long. So how do the old timers last so long? It’s a back and forth. The reporter brings all of his information on a subject to his intelligence source (handler). The source then says, “print this, print that, sit on that, and since you’ve been a good boy here’s a little something you didn’t know.” The true role of the investigative reporter is to conduct counterintelligence and package it as a limited hangout.

    While understanding the mechanics is helpful don’t neglect the purpose. Why is more important than how. The why is control. They don’t care what you believe, but only what you do. You can be on the left, right, mainstream, or fringe and they won’t care as long as you eat what they serve. Take a minute to think about what they want you to do and strongly consider not doing it.

    https://www.nytimes.com/1977/12/26/archives/worldwide-propaganda-network-built-by-the-cia-a-worldwide-network.html

    http://danwismar.com/uploads/Bernstein%20-%20CIA%20and%20Media.htm

    • Agree: Sean McBride
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    , @annamaria
  17. Do Spies Run the World?
    —————————–
    If they’re Jewish spies – then yes.

  18. Vojkan says:

    Not usually a big fan of Israel Shamir’s pieces but this one on spooks is truly excellent. The article is spot on.

  19. Spies do not run the world , they are merely agents of the “families” who use them to retain and increase their control ,power and wealth .

    • Agree: Iris, MarkU, renfro
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @AintNoMouse
  20. cowherd says:
    @Sean McBride

    And now Trump should have then all rounded up and hung from the trees in the front of the Whitehouse. Anything less should be seen as encouragement.

  21. Don’t agree.

    [Should don’t agree, agree, troll, and lol “buttons” for columns be added? I think it would be a nice extra].

  22. Anon[352] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Why post as Anon a comment boasting such quality?

  23. mike k says:

    The worst among us rule over the rest of us. As Plato said, this needs to change. How to do that? We don’t know, but we desperately need to find out…..

    • Replies: @Anon
  24. Anon[421] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean McBride

    Obama was a very effective promoter of what might be called the “globalist” agenda.
    He of course didn’t invent it but did appoint those three. Wayne Madsen gave a
    convincing account in his speculation that both Obama’s parent’s were CIA operatives.
    So it’s “all the family” and in the details one might conclude with the author that
    indeed “spies run the world.”

  25. It’d be a certain justice were it the case that the author his own self is a master spy and the post is deception.

    • Replies: @Herald
  26. Zionists control all three of the main intelligence agencies on the world stage ie the CIA and the Mossad and MI6 and of these , MI6 is the most important and all work for the goal of zionist NWO!

    See these books The Committee of 300 by Dr. John Coleman and The Secret Team, the cia and its allies in control of America and the world, by Col. L. Fletcher Prouty.

  27. @MarkU

    “Do spies run the world? No not really, bankers run the world.”

    What about big tech billionaires?

    Consider: Alphabet and Facebook possess a treasure trove of sensitive personal data on many or most current and former employees of many of the world’s leading intelligence services — Aman, BND, CIA, CSIS, DGSE, DGSI, DIA, FBI, Five Eyes, GCHQ, MI5, MI6, Mossad, NSA, Shabak, Unit 8200, etc. And those companies possess the most advanced methods for interpreting and leveraging that data.

    Another angle: the future may belong to fluid and ever-shifting coalitions of transnational criminal hackers. (How many heads of establishment intelligence services have an intellectual grasp of their own information systems?)

    Eventually the world will be dominated by new species of superintelligent entities based on genetic engineering and autonomous AI systems — superhuman, machine and superhuman/machine hybrids. This isn’t science fiction — the technologies are being developed now.

  28. onebornfree says: • Website

    Wrong article title.

    Should have been something like:

    ” Morons Who Think They Both Should, and Can Run the World, Supported by Even Bigger Morons [i.e. Slaves] Who Believe That Someone Else Both Should, and Can Run Everyone’s Life For Them”

    Yes, I admit, its long and cumbersome, but its a little closer to the truth, I think.

    And so it goes……..

    “Why Government doesn’t work”: https://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Why_Government_Doesn%27t_Work

    Regards, onebornfree

  29. FB says: • Website

    How did Shamir fail to mention the latest such ‘network’ coup against the Austrian government…?

    …and this…

  30. Republic says:

    Putin has had his quota of imprudent or outright criminal acts in his past

    Putin’s rise to power in Russia was orchestrated by the Russian Apartment Bombings of 1999.

    like the 9/11 attacks in the US, this subject is not discussed by the Russian press. To do so has had fatal consequences for many people. This is probably one of the “criminal acts” that Israel Shamir mentions

  31. Agent76 says:

    January 10, 2014 *500* Years of History Shows that Mass Spying Is Always Aimed at Crushing Dissent *It’s Never to Protect Us From Bad Guys*

    No matter which government conducts mass surveillance, they also do it to crush dissent, and then give a false rationale for why they’re doing it.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/500-years-of-history-shows-that-mass-spying-is-always-aimed-at-crushing-dissent/5364462

    What is Metadata?

    This short video, will explain what Metadata is and why it’s important to businesses


  32. ababush says:
    @Sean McBride

    Big tech millionaires are spy agencie’s employee. Bezos is a CIA guy. No success for those guys without the deep state.

    • Replies: @Sean McBride
  33. Agent76 says:

    Mar 1, 2016 Operation Mockingbird: The CIA and the Media

    9/23/1975 Tom Charles Huston Church Committee Testimony

    Tom Charles Huston testified before the Senate Select Committee to Study Governmental Operations with Respect to Intelligence Activities, commonly known as the Church Committee, on the 43-page plan he presented to the President Nixon and others on ways to collect information about anti-war and “radical” groups, including burglary, electronic surveillance, and opening of mail.

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?408953-1/tom-charles-huston-testimony-church-committee

  34. @ababush

    Who wields more power in the contemporary world: big tech billionaires like Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates and Larry Page, or spy agency heads like John Brennan, James Clapper and Robert Ashley?

    Billionaires in general can easily purchase the services of armies of current and former spooks.

    Did you notice the deferential attitude adopted by the US Congress towards Mark Zuckerberg?

    How much power does John Brennan now command compared to Jeff Bezos?

    • Replies: @ababush
  35. Where is real power most intensely concentrated in the contemporary world?

    Take a close look at the leading AI experts at

    -Alibaba
    -Amazon
    -Apple
    -Baidu
    -CIA
    -DARPA
    -DIA
    -Facebook
    -GCHQ
    -Google
    -Microsoft
    -MIT
    -MSS
    -NSA
    -Stanford
    -Tencent
    -Unit 8200

    They are developing the tools to radically upend and control *everything*.

    You might also want to the analyze the distribution of ethnic backgrounds among that set of minds.

    Where do their loyalties lie? What are their long-term objectives?

    Do our traditional models for framing the world adequately capture what is going on?

    • Replies: @Republic
  36. Jake says:

    Andropov’s mother was Jewish.

  37. Jake says:

    This is good writing: “The KGB plotters of 1991 had thought that post-Communist Russia would be treated by the West like the prodigal son, with a fattened calf being slaughtered for the welcome feast. To their disappointment, the stupid bastards discovered that their country was to play the part of the fattened calf at the feast, and they were turned from unseen rulers into billionaires’ bodyguards.

  38. Republic says:
    @Sean McBride

    Israel hacking the world

    • Replies: @Sean McBride
  39. A great analysis that says a lot that needs to be said.

    I have just one quibble with the following reference:

    “In a way, they are a new incarnation of the Cecil Rhodes Society. “

    In fact, Rhodes was a secondary player in a much larger network organized by the British colonial administrator, Alfred Milner (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Milner,_1st_Viscount_Milner). The prominent American historian, Carroll Quigley (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carroll_Quigley), first uncovered this network during research in the 1950s.

    The two British historians, Gerry Docherty and Jim MacGregor, expanded on Quigley’s work and wrote two meticulously researched and documented accounts of their findings:

    (1) “Hidden History: The Secret Origins of the First World War” (https://www.amazon.com/Hidden-History-Secret-Origins-First/dp/1780576307/ref=sr_1_2?crid=3MB722Y6Y5J4E&keywords=hidden+history&qid=1558539022&s=books&sprefix=Hidden+History%2Caps%2C137&sr=1-2)

    and

    (2) “Prolonging the Agony: How The Anglo-American Establishment Deliberately Extended WWI by Three-and-a-Half Years.”(https://www.amazon.com/Prolonging-Agony-Anglo-American-Three-Half/dp/1634241568/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Prolonging+the+agony&qid=1558539238&s=books&sr=1-1-catcorr)

    Anyone with an interest in 20th century history who is unfamiliar with these books owes it to himself to read them. For some forty years I have had an amateur historian’s interest in WW I and read widely in the standard literature on that topic. Reading Docherty and MacGregor opened my eyes. Much that seemed inexplicable became clear, seemingly unconnected events suddenly correlated. WW I is the watershed moment that has defined the twentieth century and continues to define the twenty-first. It began with the machinations of a cabal. The devastation they wrought is continued today by their successors.

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  40. ababush says:
    @Sean McBride

    Senators (and presidents) are not the real power. The big tech companies potential power is the datas they collect, as well as some propaganda means. Those companies were established worldwide with the help and under the supervision of the deep state (CIA, NSA etc). It is clear for me that the deep state has access to the datas collected by those companies, and also has personal files on their managers that could be used should they suddenly feel powerful and independant.

    • Replies: @Sean McBride
  41. onebornfree says: • Website
    @onebornfree

    “They get us into wars and never get us out. They get us into debt and never get us out. They want to run your life, but couldn’t run a lemonade stand.

    And they laugh at us?

    They’re the establishment, the powers that be–call them what you will. Guided by the unshakeable belief that they’re entitled to rule, they’ve made a holy mess of America…and the world. Their Ivy League credentials only confirm that degrees are often bestowed on idiots.

    In the Kingdom of Lies, ruled by the Arrogant and the Absurd, truth is an enemy. So are satire and humor. If the pompous proclamations and inevitable ineptitude of these bozos leave you unsure whether to laugh, cry, or emigrate, why not laugh? …….”:

    You Should Be Laughing At Them!:
    https://straightlinelogic.com/2019/05/15/you-should-be-laughing-at-them-58/

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Agree: DESERT FOX, Spanky
  42. @Sean McBride

    Eventually the world will be dominated by new species of superintelligent entities based on genetic engineering and autonomous AI systems — superhuman, machine and superhuman/machine hybrids. This isn’t science fiction — the technologies are being developed now.

    Via singularity or because the humans thay hold power will “resign” and cede it to the cyborgs?

    • Replies: @Sean McBride
  43. Anon[345] • Disclaimer says:
    @mike k

    Certainly, the most valued and liked rule over the rest — both the large majorities that (as indirectly and unconsciously as we will) value and like them the most, and who does not, and that’s the authority mechanics at every level.

    Now, since knowing almost all people discords with oneself is remarkably displeasurable, the few outliers who like neither to rule nor to be ruled imagine the ruled are victims falling for the rulers’ schemes, and themselves being tasked with rescuing the ruled and replacing wrong with right.
    I was one of them, till I understood the actual likes and dislikes of (almost all) people.

  44. MarkU says:
    @Sean McBride

    OK, lets have a look at your alternative hypothesis and see if it explains any of the anomalies I mentioned.

    1) 2/3 of the UK parliament are in “friends of Israel” groups because of big tech billionaires?
    2) Israel is allowed to break international law with impunity due to big tech billionaires?
    3) Bankers got their gambling debts bailed at the public expense due to big tech billionaires?
    4) Financial institutions can commit felonies and no-one goes to jail because big tech billionaires?
    5) Politicians in the most powerful country in the world must pledge their undying support for Israel because of big tech billionaires?

    By my reckoning your hypothesis has ticked NO boxes at all, explains nothing whatsoever and also fails the Voltaire test “To find out who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticise”. Big tech billionaires take a lot of flak, is anyone proposing laws to ban criticising them?

    Perhaps your next piece should explain how and why big tech billionaires are steering the US towards war with Iran, why big tech billionaires are working hard to create a new cold war and why Benjamin Netanyahu gets record numbers of standing ovations from US politicians due to big tech billionaires. I won’t be holding my breath.

    • LOL: Ron Unz
    • Replies: @Sean McBride
  45. @Sean McBride

    Trump needs to be given credit for the tactics you mention. They are frequently very successful . . . and baffling to his enemies.

  46. Joe WEbb says:

    dumb and dumber. The work of a communist with nothing but failure behind him and only race -roiling in front of him.

    That is what the Left is today. Resenters, users, welfare moochers, and personal Identity Victim claimants. The White Man did it to me, whatever IT is.

    This is the end result of Social Revolution…race replacement of Whites..and the jungle returning with the Coloreds, led by Jews who then become the High Priests of Coloreds…although they too, the Jews , will end up in the cannibal’s pot.

    The Revolution eats its own children, which is fine with me, but eating Whites is another story.
    The Counter-Revolution in the US has its 300 million guns.

    GUNS DONT’ KILL PEOPLE, WHITE FOLKS WILL KILL THE CANNIBALS IN SELF-DEFENSE.

    Joe Webb

  47. @Republic

    I think there is a better than even chance that Adam Green will eventually flip sides and come to regard those he most fears now as his most valuable allies and bosom buddies. It’s a well-known psychological syndrome, on display in numerous instances historically from Saul/Paul to David Brock.

    Israel produces superb hackers — think Stuxnet, for instance — but it would be a mistake to underestimate the skills of hackers from other areas of the world, including China and Iran. In the realm of hacking, pride cometh before a fall. Modesty and humility is a useful attitude to cultivate.

  48. @ababush

    It may be the case that Silicon Valley billionaires, under the table at least, fulfill many requests that are made of them by USIC spymasters.

    But these same billionaires can hire government spymasters as employees, or make large contributions to politicians with influence on the intel community. The influence flows in both directions.

  49. @atlantis_dweller

    For superhuman entities, whether biological, machine or a combination thereof — taking power from human beings will be like taking candy from a baby. Effortless.

  50. @MarkU

    The situation is more complicated than that.

    1. Yes, Jewish and pro-Israel billionaires like Sheldon Adelson and Haim Saban have played an enormous role in influencing American foreign policy as it affects Israel. That is not up for debate.

    2. Quite a few big tech billionaires are also Jewish and pro-Israel billionaires — there is a significant overlap between those two categories.

    3. Non-Jewish Western elites have had various reasons for providing strong support to Israel apart from pressure from the Israel lobby.

    4. Israel and Mideast politics is one of many large strategic issues facing the world — issues which will be largely framed and molded by big tech billionaires from all cultural backgrounds.

    • Replies: @MarkU
  51. mcohen says:

    I had a jack russell dog named spook.A real gentleman.Used to eat the sheets hanging on the laundry line.There was a husky next door who was always trying to attack him under the fence until one day spook grabbed his tail after it had poked through a gap.He held on to it with all his strenght while the husky howled like a baby.
    Courage and loyalty.

  52. @MarkU

    Never forget the golden rule, he who has the gold, makes the rules.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  53. Olorin says:
    @Sean McBride

    How did John Brennan, James Clapper, James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Christopher Steele and other Spygate principals manage to rise to the top of the intelligence bureaucracy?

    Because they serve those who dispense such power. That is their job.

    And those whom they serve make sure that checky/balancey oversight–say in the form of chief executive of the United States of America, or an honest Congressman or journalist–is destroyed if it threatens not to align with those masters…or even questions/reveals these individuals or these structures.

    Look at how they’ve reacted to Donald Trump’s trolling both before and while in office.

    They make sure that “the intelligence bureaucracy” reifies that exclusionary principle in every hire, every action, every policy. Like many bureaucracies and institutions it becomes a factory for its own viral replication rather than anything that is traditionally considered “intelligence.”

    Look at their prime creation of the new millennium: Barack Obama.

  54. @Paul Bennett

    E Michael Jones is also a fed. He says there’s no such thing as white despite the Naturalization Act of 1790, the US Census since 1790, etc. He claims that language is the foundation of ethnicity which makes whites & POC part of the same ethnic group. His idiotic book Ethnos needs Logos claimed to be an answer to race as a consideration in discussions of political solutions (a la David Duke) basically arguing that because a Catholic missionary created a dictionary for some forest people in India and taught them how to sell rope that we can all be just one happy political/nationalism family. That’s just backdoor globalism. I could go on.

    He also agitates agains the 2nd Amendment, claiming, “Possession of guns allows the government to kill you in a way that they couldn’t do if you didn’t have a gun”. That’s beyond idiocy. Video here: https://streamable.com/pp5zn

  55. renfro says:
    @israel shamir

    Who needs the lodge when you have the CIA

    I think you mean who needs the CIA when you have the Mossad …..don’t you?

    Its the Mossad that is currently supplying Bolton and Co. with intel on Iran.

    So induce the folks to disregard US agencies and rely on Israel.

    ”The Senate Foreign Relations Committee on Wednesday rejected a Democratic proposal to require congressional approval before the U.S. can take military action against Iran.
    The panel voted 13-9 against a proposal blocking the administration from using funding to carry out a military strike in or against Iran without congressional signoff, according to
    Sen. Chris Murphy
    The Senate Foreign Relations Committee on Wednesday rejected a Democratic proposal to require congressional approval before the U.S. can take military action against Iran.
    The panel voted 13-9 against a proposal blocking the administration from using funding to carry out a military strike in or against Iran without congressional signoff, according to
    Sen. Chris Murphy ”

    https://thehill.com/policy/defense/445088-senate-panel-rejects-requiring-congress-sign-off-
    before-iran-strike

    It is the WH toads Pampeo et al that are ‘briefing ‘ congress, not the CIA or the pentagon intelligence.

    • Replies: @renfro
  56. renfro says:
    @renfro

    Remember Iraq…….with visions of WMDs, yellow cake and dancing Israelis in your head.

    “In meetings in Washington and Tel Aviv in the past few weeks,” the paper’s Jerusalem correspondent wrote, “Israeli intelligence warned” U.S. officials that “Iran or its proxies were planning to strike American targets in Iraq.” The report cited a “senior Middle Eastern intelligence official”—the term traditionally used to describe an Israeli intelligence official–as the source.

    Newsweek unearthed another clue as to the provenance of the claims. The magazine said that it learned from one Pentagon official that the satellite imagery of loading missiles into fishing dhows was not produced by U.S. intelligence but rather had been provided by Israel.

    Reporting by the leading Israeli diplomatic correspondent Barak Ravid, now of Channel 13 but also filing for Axios, provides more detailed evidence that Israel was the original source of all three alleged Iranian threats. Ravid’s story reports that an Israeli delegation, led by national advisor Meir Ben Shabbat, met with Bolton and other U.S. national security officials in the White House on April 15 and passed on to them “information about possible Iranian plots against the U.S. or its allies in the Gulf,” according to “senior Israeli officials.”
    Bolton confirmed the meeting with Ben Shabbat in a tweet after it happened, but revealed nothing about what was discussed.

    Ravid’s Israeli sources acknowledged that it wasn’t hard intelligence or even an intelligence assessment based on evidence. Instead, as one Israeli official acknowledged, Mossad “drew several scenarios for what Iran might be planning.” Ravid’s sources ultimately admitted that Israel’s Mossad doesn’t really know “what the Iranians are trying to do.”

    This is the obvious explanation for why U.S. officials were so unwilling to reveal the provenance of what has loosely been called “intelligence.” It also tallies with one Pentagon official’s revelation to Newsweek that the satellite imagery cited as evidence of missiles in fishing boats had been “provided to U.S. officials by Israel….”

    That April 15 meeting was only the most recent one between top U.S. and Israeli national security officials over the past year, according to Ravid. These meetings were conducted under a still-secret U.S.-Israeli agreement on a joint plan of action against Iran reached after two days of unannounced meetings at the White House between Ben Shabbat and then-national security advisor H.R. McMaster on December 12, 2017. Ravid reported the details of that agreement in late December based on information from a “senior U.S. official” and confirmation from senior Israeli officials.

    Ravid’s story provided details on the four working groups that were formed under the agreement, including one on “Joint U.S.-Israeli preparation for different escalation scenarios in the region, concerning Iran, Syria, Hezbollah in Lebanon and Hamas in Gaza.” The Mossad “scenarios” apparently provided the central ideas with which to justify the Trump administration’s subsequent escalatory moves against Iran, including ostentatiously moving an aircraft carrier and a B-52 bomber group into the region.

    Bolton’s May 5 statement warning of “unrelenting force” against Iran in response to any attack by either Iranian or “proxy” forces added a very significant new element to America’s retaliatory threats. It referred to an attack “on United States interests or on those of our allies.” That broadening of the range of scenarios that could be cited to justify a U.S. strike against Iran, which has so far been studiously ignored by major news media, represents a major concession to the Israelis and Saudi Arabia.
    It also creates a new incentive for the Israelis and Saudis to provoke military responses by Hamas in Gaza or the Houthis in Yemen. And it poses the problem of incidents that could be blamed on Iran or a “proxy” but for which actual responsibility is ambiguous, such as the apparent “limpet mine” attack on oil tankers on May 12—or the rocket fired into Baghdad’s Green Zone within a mile of the U.S. embassy there Sunday night.
    These deceptions are part of a dangerous game being run by Bolton in which Israel is apparently playing a crucial role. That should prompt some serious questioning as to Bolton’s claims and the role of the alleged secret U.S.-Israeli understandings.
    There are already signs of resistance within the Pentagon in response to this move towards war with Iran, as reported by Newsweek late last week. “Be on the lookout for Iraq 2.0 justifications,” said one military official. “Think about the intel indicators prior to the Iraq invasion. Compare. Then get really uneasy.”
    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/do-iranian-threats-signal-organized-u-s-israel-subterfuge/

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
  57. Anon[421] • Disclaimer says:

    There have been many informative articles posted on this site which convincingly
    detail involvement by Mossad in the elimination of JFK, RFK, JFK Jr. and last
    but definitely not least the 911 operation which facilitated US intervention in the
    Levant on Israel’s behalf. The WW2 stuff is somewhat interesting but it’s 911 and
    Crossfire Hurricane that effect Americans in the here an now. Curious that the
    author who fought in the IDF has nothing at all to say about the agency that so
    effectively “wages war by deception.” Wouldn’t it be so very clever for an intel
    agency to promote an article titled “Do Spies run the World?

  58. @renfro

    Hamas is a mossad front and every thinking American knows that Israel and zionist deep state and traitors in the zio/US government did 911, agree with all you said.

  59. Beb says:

    Somebody get a rope.

  60. I think one has to regard the spies (or “spies and scribes”) as one locus of power out of several; a locus possessing enormous power, but not always possessing the decisive vote. Recall Julian Assange’s remarks to John Pilger, that Hillary was a cogwheel in a system of gears that includes Wall Street and foreign lobbyists as well as the intelligence agencies. Anthropologists like Malinowski have described societies as an interaction between social institutions possessing complementary functions, and this still applies under unipolar digital globalism.

    • Agree: utu
  61. Spanky says:

    Do bears shit in the woods?

    Altho I disagree that Rhodes’ influence, via the CFR, RIIA, IIAs and Rhodes’ Scholars, has waned… The intel agencies aren’t simply playing spy-vs-spy aimlessly.

  62. Paw says:
    @Kirt

    Mr.Shamir = Xrays eye ! Yes , the criminals are the victims of their crimes,too.

  63. Philip Giraldi’s thesis is plausible.

    The abuse of intelligence agencies even predates the Church Committee.

    Back in the day Zionist groups worked together with the FBI to shutdown German-born American citizen Fritz Julius Kuhn and his group the German American Bund (Amerikadeutscher Bund) because of sympathies for the Third Reich.

  64. Agent76 says:

    Aug 8, 2017 How NSA Tracks You (Bill Binney)

    William “Bill” Binney, former NSA technical director on how NSA track you. From the SHA2017 conference in Netherlands.

  65. Republic says:
    @Marvelous Goy

    good points, but he is rock solid on the JQ.

  66. MarkU says:
    @Sean McBride

    Sheldon Adelson and Haim Saban are financial midgets compared to the Rothschilds and their ilk, quite frankly I wouldn’t even have thought to mention them. It is one thing being a big campaign donor in the US and quite another to control the deep state and the media of several of the richest countries in the world.

    As to Zuckerberg, Bezos and Dorsey etc, this stuff was going on before they were even born.

    • Replies: @Sean McBride
  67. Art says:

    Comey was involved in multiple coups against the American people’s 2016 election. Here s the first one.
    http://www.unz.com/jpetras/obama-versus-trump-putin-and-erdogan/?highlight=lynch

    Comey: Hillary’s FBI Testimony Wasn’t Under Oath or Recorded, But It Would Still Be a Crime to Lie

    During testimony before Congress on Thursday, FBI Director James Comey stated that the FBI’s interview with presumptive Democratic presidential nominee former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was not under oath or recorded, but it still would be a crime to lie to the FBI.

    Comey stated that he did not personally interview Clinton, and did not talk to all of the “five or six” who did interview Clinton.

    He was then asked, “did she testify or talk to them under oath?” Comey answered, “No.” But added that “it’s still a crime to lie to us.”

    When asked if there was a transcript of the interview, Comey stated that there wasn’t one because the interview wasn’t recorded, but there was an analysis of Clinton’s interview.

    http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=195066

    The coup in action

    Friday – Bill helps Loretta see how his and her grandchildren can be pals.

    Saturday – FBI does non- serious interview – no oath, unrecorded – Comey skips the interview.

    Sunday – Jew media calls Trump anti-Semite.

    Tuesday AM – Comey – Hillary NOT guilty.

    Tuesday PM – Obama Hillary – do campaigning for the brainstemers – Jew media ecstatic – election over.

    The government overthrow of the election works.

    Who has the gonads to say this was not choreographed – Bill Clinton – Department of Justice – FBI – Obama – Jew MSM – did a coup.

    That weekend there was a mainstream elitist coup. There was a takeover put over on the American people. Bill Clinton, Lynch, Comey, Hillary, Obama, and the Jew MSM conspired to overthrow the 2016 election. They cleaned Hillary skirts of past misdeeds. Going forward, no smoking gun will be allowed by the administration or the media, to get in her way.

    • Replies: @Art
    , @Twodees Partain
  68. @MarkU

    1. What is the Rothschilds net worth in 2019? Any hard numbers and authoritative links?

    2. Over which of the world’s biggest tech companies do the Rothschilds exert significant control, and in what specific ways?

    3. Are the Rothschilds more notable funders of political movements around the world than, say, George Soros? How, specifically?

    4. Any thoughts on this article?

    https://www.politifact.com/facebook-fact-checks/statements/2019/jan/09/viral-image/meme-way-rothschild-family-wealth-they-do-not-cont/

    Excerpt:

    BEGIN QUOTE
    In 2012, Skeptoid, an award-winning weekly science podcast hosted by writer and producer Brian Andrew Dunning, explored the famous family’s history and noted that while the Rothschild’s are still a looming figure in the banking world, they are still dwarfed by larger, wealthier institutions.

    “Make no mistake, it’s a large and successful company; but with billions in assets, it’s a relatively small fish in the sea of world financial institutions with trillions in assets,” Dunning said then, “including Deutsche Bank, Mitsubishi UFJ Financial Group, HSBC Holdings, BNP Paribas, Japan Post Bank, Crédit Agricole Group, Barclays PLC, Industrial & Commercial Bank of China, Royal Bank of Scotland Group, JP Morgan Chase & Co., and many others. Anyone trying to point the finger at the scattered Rothschilds as ‘controlling’ world banks has an awfully tall order. That little factoid is about 100 years out of date.”
    END QUOTE

    That the Rothschilds are still extremely wealthy and wield considerable political power one readily acknowledges. The question is, how much compared to other wealthy and powerful players.

    • Replies: @Agent76
  69. @Jake

    As E. Michael Jones informs, Jeffrey David Sachs, Jew master of illusion who last month called for Trump’s impeachment on grounds of collusion with Russia in hacking of ’16 election when everybody sane can see the allegations are vacuous, succeeded at perverting the Russian overthrow of the USSR into a great heist by Jews to enrich Jews at the expense of goyim.

    “Sane” is used here to mean free of Jew psychopathy.

    Lived a parallel here in the USA personally as perpetrated by your fellow tribesman aided by your fellow tribes(w0)men at the bar and in the courts, Jeffrey, some of whom are certainly personally known to you, likely with great affection.

    Den of Thieves, your golem are about to swallow you up, the NW escape route Jeffrey has lived is exhausted to inadequacy.

  70. notanon says:

    i knew some people who investigated major child protection cases who found out that when the case led to high profile politicians being involved the investigations would be shut down by elements connected to the secret service.

    if you looked into it i think you’d find that most western countries have (or did have during the cold war) a couple of dozen cases like that where pedophile politicians were being protected in this way (including some cases where the secret service itself used children as a honey-trap).

    i think this was done as part of the cold war to create a cadre of politicians who could be controlled

    i think these cold war activities lead to such a suspension of morality within the spy agencies (not particularly moral to start with) they became corrupted by it and so after the cold war ended we were left with these immensely powerful and unaccountable agencies run by bored sociopaths.

    so i wouldn’t say they rule the world exactly – that’s the central bankers imo – but they are a very large and dangerous loose cannon on the deck.

    • Replies: @tru3
  71. notanon says:
    @Sean McBride

    How did John Brennan, James Clapper, James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Christopher Steele and other Spygate principals manage to rise to the top of the intelligence bureaucracy?

    by being exceptionally amoral and devious in the service of some goal which might have been patriotism…

    or might have been they wanted a job where they could do criminal stuff without going to jail.

    These characters have indulged in an orgy of highly conspicuous partisan political meddling…

    is it partisan though?

    did they try to stop Bush or McCain, Rubio etc?

    it seems to me they were specifically trying to stop Trump – which would mean the motive was something Trump said he’d do that was different from the rest:

    – immigration?
    – onshoring?
    – foreign wars?

    the first two possibilities might imply they were simply bribed by people who opposed those policies and the same could also be said of the third except their hysteria (especially Brennan’s) makes me feel it was more about covering up various crimes they’d committed over the years since 9/11 (or just before).

    if i was writing a screenplay i’d have a CIA chief in Saudi training some deniable local pilots to fly opium poppies out of Afghanistan for some nefarious purpose and then it going wrong in some spectacular way and them being desperate to cover up their role in training the pilots.

  72. @Cyrano

    Cyrano, it sounds as though you’re trying to describe a turd that doesn’t stink. It ain’t working, pal.

    • Agree: Vojkan
  73. Ron Unz says:
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    The two British historians, Gerry Docherty and Jim MacGregor, expanded on Quigley’s work and wrote two meticulously researched and documented accounts of their findings…Reading Docherty and MacGregor opened my eyes.

    Well, I’ve seen numerous commenters give glowing endorsements of the Docherty/Macgregor book over the last year or more, so since I had it sitting around, I finally decided to take a look. So far, I haven’t really been very impressed.

    As near as I can tell, their “revolutionary” hypothesis is that near the end of the 19th century a small group of individuals near the top of Britain formed a “secret society” with the central goal of greatly enhancing the power and wealth of the British Empire, sometimes using ruthless or dishonest means, and permanently dominate the world.

    Is that really so remarkable? Suppose the “secret society” had never been formed? Wouldn’t we naturally assume that the normal, run-of-the-mill leaders of Britain would be doing their best to enhance the power and wealth of the British Empire? Wouldn’t it be much more shocking if they weren’t?

    Should someone write a book: “Top executives at Google are secretly trying to expand Google’s wealth and power and gain dominance over the entire Internet.” Or “Top executives at Goldman Sachs are secretly trying to expand Goldman’s wealth and power and permanently dominate Wall Street.”

    Neither Docherty nor Macgregor seem professional historians, and they’re certainly correct in attempting to refute the “legend of German villainy,” but I think that lots and lots of professional historians have already done that.

    Decades ago, my ordinary high school texts emphasized that one of the main factors behind WWI was Britain’s fears of a rising Germany. And it’s also true that another major factor was Germany’s fears of a rising Russia. Historians have endlessly argued about the relative weighting of all these different factors, but everyone’s certainly aware of them.

    Admittedly, I’ve only finished the first chapter and maybe I’ll read one more before I abandon the book.

  74. @Ron Unz

    “Should someone write a book: “Top executives at Google are secretly trying to expand Google’s wealth and power and gain dominance over the entire Internet.” Or “Top executives at Goldman Sachs are secretly trying to expand Goldman’s wealth and power and permanently dominate Wall Street.””

    LOL! Nice.

  75. Noman says:

    “Do Spies Run the World?” is misdirection.

    200+ elite ruling families OWN the wealth of world. 99.9999% of the wealth is in the hands of 0.0001% of the population. The families are intertwined and inter-generational. A Tree of Life with looping branches.

    They are the “hidden hand” that operates the controls. Making the laws for the other 99.9999+ of the population.

    Their children are the spies, the actors, the directors, the playwrights, the artists, the Presidents, et al.

    The threat of a coming One World government is a distraction.

    It’s been here for over a millennia.

  76. Art says:
    @Art

    The coup in action

    Friday – Bill flies in and causes Loretta Lynch to recuse herself.

    Saturday – in less then 24 hours, FBI does a rush non-serious interview – no oath, unrecorded – Comey skips the interview.

    Tuesday AM – Comey takes charge – speaks for government – declares “Hillary NOT guilty”.

    Tuesday PM – Obama & Hillary – fly off to campaign together – free of email charges – Jew media ecstatic – coup accomplished – election over.

    Lynch does not have the gravitas to let Hillary of the hook for the emails. BUT the totally reliable honest “FBI CHIEF” does. He does hurry up fake interview – then two days later declares her quilt free. Then the same day, Obama and Hillary fly off to election Valhalla, with the blessing of the liberal Jew MSM.

    Who in their right mind can deny that the American people were had by an election coup, carried out by the very top of the US government?

  77. @Ron Unz

    The key to who rules the world is found in Nathan Rothschilds infamous statement, I care not what puppet sits on the throne of England for the man who controls the money supply controls the British empire and I am that man!

    The zionist banking kabal controls the world via their control of the money supply via their privately owned central banks, it is the same here in the US with their privately owned and unconstitutional FED, so much for the American freedom hoax, we are a zionist plantation and have been since 1913!

    With the FED the zionists have driven America to war and debt and the death of millions in these banker wars!

  78. Art says:

    Jew money and media are responsible for all this spy activity. They are an active part of spy the network.

    All this Western spy coercion works today, because of the Western Jew MSM.

    The British spies, the Russian spies, the US spies, and the French spies, all have something they can depend upon, anonymity of person and actions, with the Jew MSM. They are never named as network operatives. The fake media is rife with false flags, that are never questioned.

    They can do what they want, as long as they follow the overall grand Jew agenda.

    Truth!

    p.s. Read the JMSM about a war on Iran – they never point blank fully question the need for a war. The legitimate facts from the Iran point of view are seldom broached.

    p.s. Pompeo and Bolton are an active part of the spy network. They do not represent the Department of State or the White House. They are spy boys.

    • Replies: @Art
  79. Skeptikal says:

    Very very interesting.
    Please continue with this topic.
    It would be interesting to tie in this analysis with a brief history of spying, or of modern spying.
    William Dalrymple’s Return of a King has as a main protagonist Alexander Burns, one of the Empire’s spies in Afghanistan.
    I have read somwhere that the British were the first great practitioners of spying in the modern age and that they developed the art to the highest and most devious form. Of couires, Elizabeth I had Walshingham.
    Spying in the Austrian Empire was I believe of a somewhat different nature.
    Is there a conneciton between the Freemasion as a type of org. and, say, something like Skull and bones?

  80. Skeptikal says:
    @Yarkob

    And, they are probably in the main actually loyal to the JSP (Jewish State in Palestine) relatively un- turnable.

  81. @Art

    Petras was on the right path in that article though some of his conclusions may have been off a little. The FBI has a policy of conducting unrecorded “interviews” (interrogations, actually) and filing what is known as a 302, a field report submitted by an agent who conducted the interview, and these reports are treated the same as recordings in a criminal prosecution. The 302 is made up of the agent’s recollections and impressions and are not even an accurate record of what was actually said.

    It’s obvious nonsense to base a prosecution on an agent’s recollections and impressions of an interview without an electronic recording, or even a stenographer’s rendering of a conversation and to accept this kind of thing as actual evidence in a trial, but that’s how the FBI is allowed by the justice system to proceed.

    This gives the FBI the power to submit to federal prosecutors whatever their agents want to claim in order to indict or to exonerate a targeted person.

  82. Agent76 says:
    @Sean McBride

    You view what most do not Sean McBride good post!

    January 20, 2017 Rothschild Family Wealth is Five Times that of World’s Top 8 Billionaires Combined

    A recent report by Oxfam International highlights the dramatic rise in income equality by noting that the combined wealth of the world’s top 8 individual billionaires is more than the lower half of the world’s population, some 3.6 billion people. The intention of the report was to bring awareness to the unfairness and injustice inherent in our global economic system.

    http://www.wakingtimes.com/2017/01/20/rothschild-family-wealth-five-times-worlds-top-8-billionaires-combined/

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Sean McBride
  83. RobinG says:

    During recent visit of Mike Pompeo to Sochi, the head of SVR, the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service, Mr Sergey Naryshkin proposed the State Secretary Mike Pompeo, the ex-CIA director, to expand contacts between Russian and US special services at a higher level. He clarified that he actively interacted with Pompeo during the period when he was the head of the CIA. Why would he need contacts with his adversary? It would be much better to avoid contacts altogether.

    What a stupid idea. Is Shamir joking, or is he from the same school that thinks Tulsi shouldn’t have met with Assad, or even with Trump? Despite the hostility, it’s obvious they have many mutual interests regarding terrorism, drugs, sex trafficking, etc. The more common ground they can find, the better. Who knows, maybe this whole article is a little childish.

  84. Ron Unz says:
    @Agent76

    January 20, 2017 Rothschild Family Wealth is Five Times that of World’s Top 8 Billionaires Combined [= $2 trillion]

    Well, I’ve seen these claims that the Rothschilds are trillionaires floating around for many, many years, and I’m somewhat skeptical. Is there any hard evidence for that? And I don’t mean that someone once said it was true on some website somewhere.

    For example, back in college one of my best friends was a Rothschild (though on his maternal side), and I kept up with him for decades afterward. Although his family was certainly quite affluent, I never got any sense of gigantic wealth, and indeed, I had the impression that most of that affluence came from the non-Rothschild side of his family.

    Over the years, he attempted to secure various jobs and positions, sometimes being successful and sometimes not. I never had the sense that he could make a single call that would get him anything he wanted. When he was applying to buy a condo in DC, he asked if he could put me down as his personal reference.

    Obviously, there are lots of Rothschild descendants these days, but $2 trillion is really quite a lot of money to spread around.

    When Socialist Francois Mitterand was elected President of France in 1981, Guy de Rothschild, the head of the French family, was so disheartened that he left the country for the US. Is that the reaction of one of the world’s most supreme puppet-masters?

    I think I’ve seen some stories that the Nazis and their allies supposedly captured one of the leading European Rothschilds during WWII, and released him after getting a ransom of something like a couple of hundred million dollars. If the story is true, why didn’t they ask for something at least 100x larger? Or maybe the Nazis were scared of being called “anti-Semitic.”

    Endless wild rumors are always floating around the Internet, and just because the MSM denies them, doesn’t mean they’re actually true…

    • Agree: Sean McBride
    • Replies: @MarkU
    , @israel shamir
    , @renfro
  85. @Agent76

    No reliable sources are cited in that article to support the factual claims made about the extent of the Rothschilds’ wealth. How did Isaac Davis arrive at those numbers?

  86. Anonymous[367] • Disclaimer says:
    @9/11 Inside job

    Spies do not run the world , they are merely agents of the “families” who use them to retain and increase their control ,power and wealth

    This is plausible, but by what mechanism do the families keep the spies under control?

  87. Anonymous[367] • Disclaimer says:
    @Louis Hissink

    Never forget the golden rule, he who has the gold, makes the rules.

    Yes, but who actually has it? Zuckerberg and the PRC are in the same boat in that, on paper, they possess huge amounts of USD but, in reality, they are completely unable to weild their assets with the freedom a nobody takes for granted.

    Can Zuckerberg spend a few million on a private jet? No problem at all. Could he start buying gold en masse and storing it outside the USA? Hell no. The potential political damage to the USA power structure would be worth way more than his life.

    A silicon Valley billionaire’s wealth is on paper only.

  88. MarkU says:
    @Ron Unz

    OK Ron I value your opinion very highly as you are one of the very few champions of free speech and rational debate, why don’t you have a stab? I will repeat the post that appears to have started this particular tack on the thread (I have added another little anomaly to the end btw)

    Do spies run the world? No not really, bankers run the world.

    Bankers constitute most of the deep state in the US/UK in particular and most of Europe. It is the bankers/deep state which control the intelligence agencies. The ethnicity of a hefty proportion of said bankers is plain to see for anyone with functioning critical faculties. How else can a tiny country in the middle east have such influence in the US? How else do we explain why 2/3 of the UK parliament are “friends of Israel” How come financial institutions can commit felonies and no one does jail time? why is Israel allowed to commit war crimes and break international law with total impunity? who got bailed out of their gambling debts at the expense of inflicting “austerity” on most of the western world? And how come Israel managed to become a nuclear armed state while the US, the UK and France (a majority of the UN security council) seem to have turned a blind eye or even rendered assistance?

    I am open to any sensible alternative hypothesis.

    Any thoughts? because these things are very anomalous and in need of explanation. The activities of Johnny-come-lately casino magnates and tech billionaires who weren’t even born at the time just don’t cut it as far as I am concerned.

    • Replies: @MarkU
    , @Sean McBride
  89. MarkU says:
    @MarkU

    Perhaps I should also have added the Liberty incident, a deliberate and sustained attack on an unarmed, clearly marked US ship using unmarked planes, and not so much as a slap on the wrist.

  90. @MarkU

    Ok — which banks and bankers persuaded or coerced the Western foreign policy establishment to permit Israel to acquire nuclear weapons, starting in the 1950s? What are the facts?

    Might leading players in that establishment have had their own reasons for supporting that policy in terms of their understanding of the grand chessboard?

    • Replies: @MarkU
  91. @9/11 Inside job

    It’s a nice thought, but that’s not really how human nature and the world works. Spies may ACT as if they are working for the powerful, but they always aspire to BE the powerful.

    I recommend “The Prince” by Machiavelli and “Game of Thrones” to understand the truth about how people actually are.

    Devious, intelligent, wanna-be-powerful people are NEVER completely loyal. Spies are loyal…to themselves.

  92. @MarkU

    I agree with your assessment. Intelligence agencies are “tools” but they do not make policy.

    One of their tightly held “national security secrets” is who controls the toolkit.

    A great example is the JFK assassination. E. Howard Hunt explained (on his death-bed) that the CIA was in charge of logistics–but Hunt did not know who actually had the authority to give the “go” order.

  93. @Ron Unz

    My cousin of sorts was the director of Tel Aviv stock market. I asked him about Rothschild; he said they are not in the top league anymore; that is very 19th century view, he said.

  94. Cortes says:
    @israel shamir

    Perhaps the finest cinematic portrayal of the International Brotherhoods of Spies is the great James Coburn vehicle “The President’ Analyst” – a true classic.

  95. MarkU says:
    @Sean McBride

    OK, who are the “Western foreign policy establishment” that you mention? It certainly isn’t an elected body is it. The question is “who are the deep state”? who makes these decisions? who appoints them? We really don’t have any way of knowing for certain. All the evidence suggests that they really, really like Israel, they have been at it for decades and they have lots of money.

    As for who really owns what, it would probably take an entire army of tax fraud lawyers to sort that one out. Most people in the US probably don’t know who owns the federal reserve bank, do you? and strictly speaking that isn’t even meant to be secret.

    • Replies: @Sean McBride
  96. annamaria says:
    @Kirt

    “Yes, they were and are stupid. They are no sages, evil or benevolent. My main objection to the conspiracy theorists is that they usually view the plotters as omniscient and all-powerful. They are too greedy to be all-powerful, and they are too silly to be omniscient.”
    The impunity of the Deciders (that is, the lack of a healthy protective response by a society) has been killing the host along with the parasites.

  97. annamaria says:
    @Anon

    Compare the politicking / presstituting rot with this case of human dignity: https://www.rt.com/news/460215-assange-letter-from-prison/

    Assange:

    I am unbroken, albeit literally surrounded by murderers, but, the days where I could read and speak and organize to defend myself, my ideals, and my people are over until I am free! Everyone else must take my place.

    The US government, or rather, those regrettable elements in it that hate truth, liberty and justice, want to cheat their way into my extradition and death, rather than letting the public hear the truth, for which I have won the highest awards in journalism and have been nominated 7 times for the Nobel Peace Prize.

  98. Great developments! This article became even more actual in the light of today’s NY Times https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/24/us/politics/trump-barr-declassify-intelligence.html
    It appears that The Donald had read my piece and understood he has to fight the spooks, not only the scribes.
    The article says:

    WASHINGTON — President Trump’s order allowing Attorney General William P. Barr to declassify any intelligence that led to the Russia investigation sets up a potential confrontation with the C.I.A. It effectively strips the agency of its most critical power: choosing which secrets it shares and which ones remain hidden.

    Mr. Trump said on Friday that he wanted Mr. Barr to “get to the bottom” of what the intelligence agencies knew about the investigation into his campaign. He promised, “We’re exposing everything.”

    The president raised questions about C.I.A. involvement in the origins of the Russia investigation. Mr. Trump also invoked two close allies, Australia and Britain, telling reporters he wanted the attorney general to examine their roles in sharing intelligence about Russia’s interference.

    The declassification order served as Mr. Trump’s counterpunch to the special counsel’s investigation. Since the release of the Mueller report, the president has been trying to focus attention on his accusations that the F.B.I. and intelligence agencies spied on his campaign. The new order, former officials said, could be intended to give more ammunition to that effort.

    The intelligence agencies signaled on Friday that they would not easily give up their secrets.
    Though the ultimate power to declassify documents rests with the president, Mr. Trump’s delegation of that power to Mr. Barr effectively stripped Mr. Coats and the C.I.A. of control of their secrets. Traditionally, the C.I.A. has been effective at intramural governmental fights, in large measure because its power comes from its information and its closely guarded secrets. By taking that power from the intelligence agencies, Mr. Trump and Mr. Barr may have weakened the C.I.A.
    The intelligence agencies already have a degree of unease over the Justice Department’s ability to keep the identity of sources secret. The name of the F.B.I. informant involved in the initial investigation of the Trump campaign’s contacts with Russia was inadvertently made public.
    Mr. Barr asked Mr. Trump for the declassification authority, a Justice Department official said on Thursday. He has not detailed the information he is seeking, but some officials have said he is interested in how the C.I.A. concluded Mr. Putin ordered the interference campaign in 2016.
    The most prominent of the C.I.A.’s sources of intelligence on Russia’s election interference was a person close to Mr. Putin who provided information about his involvement, former officials have said. The source turned over evidence for one of the last major intelligence conclusions that President Barack Obama made public before leaving office: that Mr. Putin himself was behind the Russia hack.
    Long nurtured by the C.I.A., the source rose to a position that enabled the informant to provide key information in 2016 about the Russian leadership’s role in the interference campaign, the officials said.
    Mr. Trump’s promise to declassify a broad swath of documents suggests that Mr. Barr’s mandate is more extensive than investigating any single source. Mr. Trump’s comments mentioning Britain and Australia appeared to be a reference to the F.B.I.’s investigation of George Papadopoulos, a former Trump campaign aide.
    Mr. Barr has picked up on the term “spying,” invoking it multiple times in recent weeks to describe steps the F.B.I. took to investigate the Trump campaign but stopping short of alleging that the bureau acted improperly. He also said the Intelligence Committee looked at both the F.B.I.’s and the C.I.A.’s role in the origins of the Russia inquiry.
    Some revelations about intelligence operations around the 2016 campaign have angered officials in Britain, Australia and other closely allied countries, according to former officials. Exposing further information about British or Australian cooperation in the investigation could deepen tensions with two of America’s closest intelligence partners.

    But Mr. Trump’s order could be tremendously damaging to the C.I.A. and other intelligence agencies, drying up sources and inhibiting their ability to gather intelligence, said Representative Adam B. Schiff, Democrat of California and the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.

    Mr. Trump has long held that he was a target of the “deep state,” at various points accusing Mr. Obama without evidence of tapping his phones, the F.B.I. of secretly trying to undermine his candidacy and past intelligence chiefs of bending their findings to prove Russian involvement in his election victory.

    Good old Trump may still give a fight to the Network!

    • Replies: @Sean McBride
  99. @MarkU

    We know the identities of the highest level members of the national security community for the Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy and Johnson administrations, at the NSC, State Department, CIA, Defense Department, etc.

    We know their backgrounds, affiliations, mentors and sponsors.

    We know that pro-Zionists prevailed over anti-Zionists in the debate over American support for Israel.

    You assume that “they [the pro-Zionists] really, really liked Israel,” but in fact some or many of them may have been either indifferent or hostile to Zionism, and crafted foreign policy on the basis of complex strategic calculations driven by American and Western self-interest as they understood it. Some of them may have even been anti-Semites who were pursuing a devious anti-Semitic agenda by propping up Israel.

    The real thinking and objectives of the deepest levels of the Western Deep State can be difficult to penetrate. They tend to take the long view on foreign policy and history — decades and centuries — even millennia.

    • Replies: @Art
    , @renfro
  100. @israel shamir

    And now the Democratic Party is doing everything in its power to BLOCK the declassification of the material which exposes the true origins of the Russiagate hoax — including the creation and manipulation of the Steele Dossier, which apparently was a conduit for Russian disinformation that was funded by the Hillary Clinton campaign.

  101. renfro says:
    @Ron Unz

    I looked into the Rothschilds some time back and posted a bit on it here.
    To best of memory the original wealth was handed down and handed down to ever enlarging groups of heirs and so has become diluted and split up among more than 2 to 3 dozen Rothschilds.
    The current Rothschilds dozens are spread out in various countries and still have banks in those countries ….mainly as ‘investment bankers’ .
    They also do not agree with each other on numerous things like Israel for instance , so there is no ‘Rothschild House’ under one roof that has major influence on the world stage.

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
    , @Ron Unz
    , @tru3
  102. @renfro

    Rothschilds own every central bank in the world including the FED and the Bank of England and so they can print all the money they want and their wealth is unlimited as is their control of the world.

    • Replies: @Art
  103. Ron Unz says:
    @renfro

    I looked into the Rothschilds some time back and posted a bit on it here.
    To best of memory the original wealth was handed down and handed down to ever enlarging groups of heirs and so has become diluted and split up among more than 2 to 3 dozen Rothschilds.

    I’ve never researched it, but that was pretty much my own impression as well. It wouldn’t surprise me if the combined wealth of all the current Rothschilds was still very sizable, probably many billions of dollars, perhaps even $10B or more. I think the Rockefellers, another ultra-wealthy family from that same era, are in a similar situation. But if so, then that total aggregate would be about that of some twenty-something tech CEOs, whom nobody had ever heard of just a couple of years ago.

    However, over the years, I’ve encountered so many “surprises” that if someone came forth with solid evidence that their hidden wealth was actually vastly greater, I’d certainly be willing to consider it…

    • Replies: @renfro
  104. Art says:
    @DESERT FOX

    Rothschilds own every central bank in the world including the FED and the Bank of England and so they can print all the money they want and their wealth is unlimited as is their control of the world.

    Hmm — who owns the central banks – who owns the banks that own the central banks – who sits on the boards of those banks. Who is the chairman of the board of those banks?

    Why all the mystery – should this not be common knowledge – how can we hold anyone accountable if we do not know who they are?

    Where is the media?

    Hmm – do the chairman of the boards of the banks that own the central banks also own the media?

    Is that why we know NOTHING?

    Sure it is!

  105. renfro says:
    @Ron Unz

    Occasionally there are news articles about a Rothschild…mostly in European papers and sometimes here.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-04-24/rothschilds-to-sell-lavish-heirlooms-made-for-kings-and-queens

    https://www.businessinsider.com/meet-the-remaining-heirs-of-the-legendary-rothschild-dynasty-2012-2

    This was the only Rothschild I saw on Forbes….but that was 2012 so might be others or changes.

    #1153 Nathaniel Rothschild
    2012 Billionaires NET WORTH
    $1B
    https://www.forbes.com/profile/nathaniel-rothschild/#63dffc71e6c8

  106. Art says:
    @Sean McBride

    You assume that “they [the pro-Zionists] really, really liked Israel,” but in fact some or many of them may have been either indifferent or hostile to Zionism, and crafted foreign policy on the basis of complex strategic calculations driven by American and Western self-interest as they understood it.

    Hmm — “hostile to Zionism”

    Anyone hostile to Zionism in the US spook business, must be in a deep closet.

    For sure, everyone of significance in the US spy racket, are themselves being spied on and vetted by the ADL.

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
  107. renfro says:
    @Sean McBride

    You assume that “they [the pro-Zionists] really, really liked Israel,” but in fact some or many of them may have been either indifferent or hostile to Zionism, and crafted foreign policy on the basis of complex strategic calculations driven by American and Western self-interest as they understood it. Some of them may have even been anti-Semites who were pursuing a devious anti-Semitic agenda by propping up Israel.

    If you think or want us to think there are ‘complex strategic calculations’ by Westerners re for backing Israel then you need to explain what they are.
    Its been going on for 75 years, more than enough time and events for the strategy to be visible and understood.

    The real thinking and objectives of the deepest levels of the Western Deep State can be difficult to penetrate. They tend to take the long view on foreign policy and history — decades and centuries — even millennia.

    Name one time the so called deep state has taken the long view on Israel or the ME.
    The only long view on Israel was taken by the Truman State Department who adamantly objected to the US having any part in creating Israel and warned the US would be on the hook for all of Israel’s needs in the future and its actions and alienate the Arab world.
    The one thing the deep state doesnt do is take the long view.

  108. Art says:
    @Art

    Jew money and media are responsible for all this spy activity. They are an active part of spy the network.

    All this Western spy coercion works today, because of the Western Jew MSM.

    Sky News Collaborates with Idlib Terrorists to Create Syria War Propaganda

    On Thursday night Sky News release a story entitled “Sky News witnesses horrors of Syria’s last rebel outpost”, in which journalist Alex Crawford claims to have been targeted by a Russian tank shelling whilst reporting in Syria’s Idlib province.

    The story made headlines and featured in news bulletins across the UK and even the wider world. The problem however, was that the romantic TV drama type report falls flat, as the shameless war propaganda it is, when held up to basic scrutiny and common sense. Watch:

    Think Peace — Art

  109. @Art

    Zionists control all of the 17 intelligence chain dogs , just as the control the zio/US gov..

  110. Art says:

    Tucker Carlson is the best! US spook false flag.

    “We’re Being Played”: Tucker Carlson Features Leaked Syria Chemical Attack Memo

    On Thursday night Fox’s “Tucker Carlson Tonight” featured rare prime time coverage of the bombshell leaked OPCW report which refuted key events surrounding the April 2018 alleged chemical gas attack in Douma, Syria — which resulted in massive US and allied airstrikes on Damascus, nearly leading to a major war at the time. And now new allegations are looming which could once again lead to US airstrikes on Syria.

    More: Fox Video

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-24/were-being-played-tucker-carlson-features-leaked-syria-chemical-attack-memo

    Think Peace — Art

  111. Art says:

    Trucker Carlson & Tuli Gabbard — two great people. Syria false flag and Iran war.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=My5KZ8hhJCI

    • Agree: DESERT FOX, RobinG
  112. tru3 says:
    @israel shamir

    And who needs the cia when you have mossad? To me, their omission from this article is curious.

    I’m a little late to this party (sorry, I have boomeritis— please don’t hate me, I’m in recovery doing the best I can 😉 but I’ve been reading snippets of “by way of deception” by v. Ostrovsky. Fascinating the way Jews fill the merchant niche, from rags to state secrets. Mossad doesn’t seem to be part of this brotherhood, but it is able to use the brotherhood’s hubris to to its own advantage every time. I mean, when the Greek tells you all Greeks are liars, maybe it’s best to err on the side of caution and take him on face value.

    Any thoughts on this barrel of assholes?

  113. Anent comment 101, to interpret that official announcement from Mockingbird media outlet NYT you need to recall who Barr is. Barr is CIA’s lawyer. He helped GHW Bush squelch Iran contra. So you have CIA nomenklatura placed in DOJ. Rather than showing any kind of pluralistic rivalry or conflict, it’s a perfect example of the CIA’s control of subordinate departments with ‘focal points,’ as Fletcher Prouty described in the The Secret Team, here: https://ratical.org/ratville/JFK/ST/ST.html

    Here’s what will happen. Barr will blame FBI for CIA’s failed ratfuck of unauthorized presidential candidate Donald Trump. CIA will remain in control — until the public storm it like the Germans stormed the Stasi, and we hang the DCI.

  114. @Ron Unz

    The central thesis of Docherty/Macgregor book does not make a sense. The central thesis is that England wanted to destroy Germany by a long war, and only by a long war. Nothing else would do. A short war, even brutal, could not be enough for some reason. That does not make a sense, history does not know similar cases of masochism.
    Further, Germany is depicted as a noble, helpless victim who could not help herself at all….because “England made me to do it” …. let’s see…. if the German goverment knew that “Lusitania” was to be a trap, what about sparing this one liner with a couple hundreds of US citizens on board? What about torpedoing other merchantmen instead?
    Frankly, it reminds me a portrait of a ‘good German’ from a story of Tadeusz Borowski ‘Farewell to Maria’ (excellent film by the way, see below). This good German soldier was mainly repeating ‘ I just would like to sell you a lot of Opels, they are excellent cars’.

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  115. From Mr R Zwarich
    Mr. Shamir’s thoughts are always illuminating, and I agree that his analysis here cuts deep toward the heart of things, and can help us understand the world we live in.
    A fulsome response to Mr. Shamir’s thoughts would require a very long paper. Just to look at a couple of aspects, Mr. Shamir writes:

    “You’d ask me, were they so stupid that they believed their own propaganda of inevitable Clinton’s victory? Yes, they were and are stupid. They are no sages, evil or benevolent. My main objection to the conspiracy theorists is that they usually view the plotters as omniscient and all-powerful. They are too greedy to be all-powerful, and they are too silly to be omniscient.”

    Well…Though we all have seen many stupid blunders from The Elites who rule over us, a neon bright ‘red flag’ pops up here….Surely we all know that it is never wise to underestimate one’s Enemy…..

    I believe that the exact nature of the form through which the Ruling Elite rule over us will never be clear to us. History may deliver us some bare outlines, but I believe that the Master Plots are laid in places that even historians will never access. (Historians still argue about the Cataline Conspiracy in ancient Rome….LOL….).

    It doesn’t matter….People are just wasting our time, when they spend so much of it writing us to believe we must decipher the very bedrock of every ‘conspiracy’.

    We already know WHO they are. We already know plenty enough about what they are doing that we know that if we want Humanity to survive at all, (let alone prosper), these are the people we must defeat. The time is here to begin to openly discuss HOW we are going to defeat these Elite forces IMMENSE power.

    Endlessly ruminating over “gunpowder, treason, and plot”, thinking we’re ever going to “get to the bottom of it”, is foolish. We are likely NEVER going to “get to the bottom of it”, and spending time on conspiracy theories does not help us, at ALL, in figuring out HOW we are going to win back the powers of True Democracy for the Common Citizens.

    I certainly agree whole-heartedly with Mr. Shamir, that these people, The Elites, (and they are just people, and I’m sure none of us would want to follow them in using the bathroom after they’ve ‘done their business’), are greatly hampered by their own most basic motivations. Their fatal Greed and terminal Lust for Power are their ‘Achilles heel’, and will inevitably be their downfall, (as it always has been, for all Elites, for all these 100 Centuries).

    They do generally understand that they must somehow govern themselves, however. The Nobles will accept having a king, as the king will serve their ends. They know that every higher organism needs a head. As long as the head makes decisions that please the Nobles, or at least are acceptable, the Nobles are glad to have these decisions made to bind the actions of their now ‘syndicated’ power, into the even greater power of unity.

    Well…The days of kings are past….(or so we think, at least)….In my own writing I’ve taken to calling our Ruling Elite here in the US “The Syndicate”. Surely we all see that the US is now governed very much like ‘The Mafia’ of myth and yore. Where, and how, do the ‘Dons’ meet to consider problems and make decisions? History will have to get very lucky to ever discover the answer to questions like that. (Here I’d like to post a link to my old (and oft re-written) short piece, ‘Bony Fingers, Old Whiskey’, but I don’t actually have it posted anywhere. I’ll try to get it posted somewhere and send a link in a follow up).

    Do ‘spooks’ make The Syndicate’s decisions? Well….maybe some of them.

    Surely there are top ranking bureaucrats that have power over our plethora of spy agencies who themselves are ‘Dons’ in their own rights, with full membership rights in The Syndicate. It’s very difficult to imagine, however, that any career bureaucrat, no matter how highly placed, or how powerful, could amass as much power as the world’s richest man, Jeff Bezos. (Just to mention the richest out of the world’s 2208 current billionaire oligarchs, i.e.: ‘Nobles’).

    When things reach a certain scale, it becomes hard to keep them in any perceivable perspective. Bezos’ current fortune is estimated at $183,000 million (183,000,000,000) dollars. (One hundred eighty three thousand million dollars). To struggle to even try to comprehend at all what that means, consider that Bezos could ‘buy’ his own personal aircraft carrier strike group, completely outfitted with planes and weaponry, and highly trained crews, and all accompanying guided missile cruisers, destroyers, etc, and it wouldn’t even begin to put a dent in his fortune. (The latest model carrier itself can be had, brand spanking new, for about $13 billion). Poor Jeff would have to somehow struggle to make do on…what?….the $150,000 million (150,000,000,000) he’d have left? And the $6.5 million daily operating costs of a carrier strike group, (including salaries for all crew), would be no problem for him. (It would likely comprise a tax shelter, probably a direct tax credit).

    I do agree that there is immense power in the spy agencies, and in individual commanders within those agencies. And I do believe that the New Praetorian coup that killed Kennedy, which has prevented any genuine leaders from arising in the US since, was master-minded by Allen Dulles, (then head of the CIA). (Kennedy foolishly believed that the CIA was under his command).

    Every person inclined to take up the mantle of leadership in the US, every person who has the wisdom and personal charisma of a true leader of historical stature, has known, since 1963, that they must face the very real prospect of a ‘trip to Dallas’.

    Dr. King clearly knew what was coming, lamenting his realization that “longevity” would not be his to enjoy. “I may not get there with ya’ “, but we’ll get “to the mountaintop”. Wasn’t that speech the very day before he was murdered? He felt it coming… When he was killed, the CIA was already infiltrating the ‘black community’, plotting against the yet nascent Black Panthers, (founded in 1966).

    Clandestine intelligence forces are the New Praetorians. The Trump circus spectacle we’ve seen in the US has shown us that these New Praetorians have immense power. We’ve never before seen them so overtly flex their power so openly, and brazenly, as we’ve seen them do in the past three years. It’s widely rumored, after all, that the chain of command in the US Military has broken, and that subordinate officers in the field are choosing to not implement the orders of the commander in chief. (The rumors seem credible, but that does not mean they are true, of course).

    Was Trump elected accidentally, as Mr. Shamir surmises? Well…..sure…probably….(or at least maybe…..)

    The Syndicate runs the US like a casino. They just rig the odds in their favor and let the money flow as it will. With the odds rigged, more money will ALWAYS flow to them than to anyone else.

    They still must play the cards as they fall, however….They lose lots of bets…They don’t care. Well, they care, but they know they’re going to lose some. As long as they win considerably more than they lose….as the rigged odds guarantee they will, life is good for them.

    Was Trump one of those bets they lost?…..Well…yea….like I said…probably…(or at least maybe…..)

    But when I see how much benefit The Syndicate are deriving from Trump’s regime, one wonders if The Elites are now simply playing out contingency plans that were well in place before the 2016 election.

    Yea…That sewage scum-covered swamp creature Clinton was “their girl”. But do we REALLY think they had no p[lans in place for a Trump victory?

    They got their tax cut……….THAT was their most crucial domestic agenda item….They are now guaranteed that their wealth will increase, and their political power along with it.

    Has The Syndicate not fashioned a bit of a ‘catbird seat’ for itself, by skillfully manipulating events? Can we be sure that they did not anticipate these benefits?

    Can we be sure that they are not executing a Master Plan to ‘finalize’ the triumph of Zionism over the Middle East, for example? How many more scores will they settle, to advance their agendas, which they will then handily blame on Trump?

    Surely naked fascism has never been more brazen than in Israel? (As brazen, perhaps, but not more so). Is The Syndicate now ‘settling scores’ that they will later handily blame on Trump, as they will then pose as heroes when they take back the White House?

    Do we really think these people are not applying a VERY high order of intelligent cunning, as they try to manipulate the turning of the wheel of History itself?

    You know, it has only been a few months ago, within the past year anyway, that I learned that Gloria Steinem was a CIA operative. I am still trying to fully digest the 9.5 (maybe 10) Richter Scale magnitude of the enormity of the implications that reverberate, like a ‘knowledge earthquake’, shaking all perceptions to their foundations’ very footings, from learning that the “women’s liberation movement” could have been mid-wifed by the CIA.

    Ms. Magazine had no visible source of either seed capital, or operating income, for several years, (before they started running advertising)…..And was started and run by a known CIA operative…..Hmm

    Well….I think we all surely have a sense that our Enemy is doing everything ‘He’ can, (picking a gender, to carry the metaphor, only because English contains no neutral pronoun), to keep populations divided into constantly quarreling factions in order to rule over them. (It’s the same old, same old….. “Divide et impera” is an actual quote from Caesar himself).

    Can we fathom the implications of the possibility that the entire “women’s liberation movement” was a contrived plan carried out through the CIA? The CIA is known to have been operating domestically at that time, and of course it was only a few years later that the CIA was implicated, by journalist Gary Webb, who uncovered convincing evidence that the CIA introduced crack cocaine into the black inner city ghettos, and then stood back and watched their handiwork as the Black Panthers morphed into the Crips and Bloods. (Huey Newton was a pitiful crack-head when he died).

    Mr. Webb was given an autopsy, which showed he died of TWO gunshot wounds directly to the side of his head. (You can actually see the actual autopsy photos online). Two gunshot wounds directly into his brain, and his death was “officially ruled” to be a suicide. (Look it up, folks).

    Look what they stood to gain from making women dissatisfied with their lives and cultural roles. Start with nearly doubling the work force, as they convinced women that dressing in fancy (i.e.: sexy) clothes and sitting at a computer terminal doing mindless data entry, an illustrious “career”, was a lot better than being stuck at home with the kids.

    Are you kidding? With all the ‘action’ at the office? All those cute guys with good jobs? A girl’s gotta keep her options open. Stop depending on men. (Was it CIA operative Steinem herself who coined the witty saying, “A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle”, which I remember well from the 60s?

    Did Don Draper, Hugh Hefner, and all ‘the boys’ think ‘the girls’ were just gonna sit at home, barefoot and pregnant, while they tom-catted around with those ‘playmates’, once “the girl next door” decided it was a great idea to take off all her clothes and flaunt her naked body before the entire nation?

    Was Hefner’s groundbreaking mainstreaming of porn also somehow assisted by the CIA? (LOL…..If it was, don’t count on ever finding it out)

    Let’s see…Being in that cubicle dressed in sexy clothes….or sitting home up to their elbows in baby poop, while their husbands call to tell them they won’t be home for dinner because they have to “work late” (again)……Hmm…Baby poop, bare feet, and laundry…or sexy dry-cleaned clothes, fancy leather boots that make their heels ring out wit imagined power as they walk across any floor, with the appreciative gazes of ‘cute guys’ at the office riveted on them…..Tough choice?

    Think of the cunning it took to induce women to come to despise being women, to reject their maternal role in favor of joining men in pursuit of ego-gratification in their now-prioritized ‘careers’. This is an application of expertise that suggests that The Syndicate avails itself avidly of the most brilliant minds our nation produces, in the study of understanding and manipulating culture and mass psychology.

    Gloria Steinem was a CIA operative. No shit, sherlock…..She REALLY was….You can hear her yourself, talking about her CIA career. You can hear her tell an interviewer that “the CIA is a liberal and honorable organization”. (I assume we all know how to use our search engines, if this is new information to you).

    So….When Mr. Shamir writes, ”They are no sages, evil or benevolent”…that may likely be true. But ‘sagacity’ is a synonym to ‘wisdom’. Surely no one would accuse an ‘evil genius’ of being wise, but genius is genius, and is always capable of amassing great power.

    Our good Mr. Shamir also writes:

    “The pen can counter the sword. When the two are integrated, as in the union of spooks and scribes, it is too dangerous tool to leave intact.”

    There it is….Exactly…”The union of spooks and scribes”. At that juncture, of that union, sits our Enemy. That ‘union’ (which I am calling The Syndicate), IS our Enemy. The “spooks and scribes” are merely His ‘troops’.

    The means of communication are the means of power. The US has come under the full power of The Syndicate because The Syndicate conceived of, and then executed, a long-range plan, spanning decades, to gain complete control of ALL mass media.

    My knowledge of the ‘media landscape’ in other countries is limited, but if I were to study it, I would expect to learn (my hypothesis would be) that in every nominally ‘democratic’ nation in which political power has been highly centralized into the hands of The Elites, The Elites accomplished this by first gaining complete control of that nation’s means of mass communications.

    That is certainly true in the US.

    We are living now in the later ‘mop-up’ stages of The Elites’ now-accomplished counter-revolution against the small measure of democracy the citizens managed to enjoy, roughly from FDR in the 1930s, to LBJ in the mid to late 60s.

    Nixon was their first ‘counter’ to democracy itself. (And he was the mastermind that figured out how Republicans could use racism to “flip the South”). But it was Reagan, of course, that began the Elite Counter-Revolution in earnest. He was the master-of-masters among all of History’s master Snake Oil salesmen. He actually ‘sold’ this ‘pitch’: “If we let The Rich get as rich as they want, the benefits will trickle down to ALL of us”…..LOL…..The citizens ‘bought’ that Snake Oil by the case and truckload.

    But it was ole Slick Willie Clinton that administered the final ‘coup de grace’ to what little was left of democracy in the US by the time the 1990s rolled around. NAFTA was a masterstroke. Within 11 to 12 years, by about 2005, (Nafta was signed late in 1993), The Syndicate managed to force 10% of the entire population of Mexico to migrate to the US by dumping massive quantities of the corn the US government had subsidized to make ethanol, (as a matter of ‘national security, of course), on Mexico.

    Millions upon millions of tons of subsidized corn were dumped on this relatively poor nation. America’s mega-farm corporations loved those subsidies so much that they kept growing WAY more corn than was needed for ethanol, or for ‘national security. By December of 1993, (when Slick Willie signed NAFTA into law), every silo and corn crib in the nation was stuffed full to overflowing. When this massive flood of corn inundated Mexico, Mexican farmers, by the millions, suddenly couldn’t even afford to plant a crop. As the effects of this excess corn disrupted every food industry market, millions of food industry workers, as well as poor farmers, were delivered to the brink of actual starvation, and were forced to migrate north to survive.

    By 2006, America’s most powerful union, the UAW, the mighty, mighty autoworkers, were forced to bow and kiss the ring of power. They signed a contract that cut wages for new hires in HALF. (In HALF!).

    The Syndicate first exported every American job they could, then they imported massive quantities of excess labor to do those jobs that by their very nature, (service jobs, mostly), could not be exported.

    They broke the back of American Organized Labor, which gave back the power that had been won through so much blood and sacrifice.

    And it was, indeed, (as only a few Americans even know), through blood and sacrifice that Americans had won that fleeting period of actual democracy, from FDR to LBJ.

    The Elites greatly feared an actual armed revolution in America in the late 19th Century, and on into the 1920s. The “Palmer Raids”, (use google) were in 1919 and 1920. I had conversation with my own grandfather about the rally he attended for Sacco and Vanzetti.

    By the 1930s, Capitalism had self-destructed (as it always does, which points to the fatal greed and lust for power that lies at Capitalism’s base), and for three to four decades, we actually had a government that actually cared, (at least a little), about the “general welfare” of “the people”.

    Social Security was passed. Heck Medicare, and then Medicaid, were passed in the 1960s, just before the Elites’ Counter-Revolution began in ’68.

    And here we are today…with one clever billionaire oligarch leading a faction of The Elites into manipulating the bitter resentments of ‘the people’, the yeomen working class folk of the nation, into his primary power base, while the mainstream Syndicate faction of The Elites, after having suddenly and deliberately transformed our nation into a nation that champions the plight or these hapless immigrants, (now being made to suffer yet again, again while being used for evil political purpose), now demonizes anyone who complains about the horrible deleterious effect that this sudden and massive tsunami of immigrants has had on the fortunes of America’s working people, and poses as the ‘liberal’ champions of these poor immigrants’ lives and interests.

    Can we really be sure that this is not a good cop bad cop routine? It obviously seems to be exactly that. The only real question is: “Is Trump a buffoonish clown of dupe, as he appears to be, or is he ‘in’ on ‘the con’.

    He is SO narcissistic that it’s hard to imagine him agreeing to be demonized. On the other hand, he sure did enjoy being the ‘bad guy’, relishing his privileged bellowing out “You’re fired!”

    Could a deal have been struck? Does Trump think that History will not merely exonerate him, but will elevate him to ‘hero’ status? Is he such a dingbat that he imagines himself exalted as a great American hero? Does he think a temple will be built to honor him, with great statue, eternally presiding over it, (as Lincoln’s presides over his monument)?

    Is Trump a hapless stupid dupe? Or is he ‘in’ on the ‘big con’? I don’t think we’ll ever know. What we need to realize is that IT DOES NOT MATTER.

    It does not affect our most urgent necessity to begin to lay realistic and concrete plans for defeating these evil people and creating a True Democracy, in America.

    What we need to ‘see’, to understand, is ‘the con’, whether Grump is in on it, or is being used as a dupe.

    America is so confused and bamboozled by the cunning of The Elites that even the far Left has denounced and demonized the American working class for being resentful…..Gee… just because their kids are now opioid addicts, and the years of life expectancy of America’s working people is now rapidly declining, that doesn’t mean they should ‘scapegoat’ the immigrants that came and took their jobs.

    Well…Yea…This kind of scapegoating is tragic, not merely because the people being victimized, the immigrants, are innocent of anything but wanting to survive, but even more because it delivers the working class into the control of The Elites.

    And all the Left has to say is how DARE these suffering working people resent these fine Hispanic people who came to America, took their jobs, and lowered wages, across the board, dramatically?

    The American Left, in all its energetic and completely idiotic ‘brilliance’, has officially decided that the American working class is just a bunch of evil racist Nazis.

    And the American Left is so abjectly bamboozled by The Elites masterful cunning that they actually seem to think that they are going to win power with the nation’s yeomen folk hating them. What are they going to do if they DO win power. will they then revel in having the water cannons and tear gas and police batons under THEIR control? Are they planning to win power over the nation’s white working people and then ruling over them through brute force? LOL…The abject absurdity of the American Left knows few bounds these days.

    “I can hire half the working class to kill the other half”, boated 19th century American oligarch Jay Gould. With The Elites in FULL control of ALL mass media, Gould’s evil boast even much more true today.

    Do we really think that this eminently ignorant, confused, and just comp[lately bamboozled state of consciousness, to which an entire nation has been reduced, just developed accidentally?

    Or….Isn’t there a possibility that this all came about as a result of he execution of a brilliantly conceived plan?

    I feel like I’m beginning to ramble a bit, so I’ll try to wrap this up. I always watch for Mr. Shamir’s by-line. Seldom do I ever read anything from him that does not teach me something valuable. The article under discussion here is no exception.

    But I think perhaps Mr. Shamir has over-broadened his thesis a bit, (as we are all prone to do at times….I sure the heck am…LOL…). I think that in these past three years, our intelligence forces, the New Praetorians, have established that no one can rule in the US without their consent, (just as the Praetorian Guard did in Rome).

    And certainly the commanders among these New Praetorians, have GREAT power.

    But I think an even greater locus of power exists, and I think we will be well-advised to NEVER underestimate this Enemy’s intelligence, courage, and determination.

    And surely we all fully well realize that Jeff Bezos, and all his billionaire oligarch buddies, obviously have designs to rule over the entire world.

    In the midst of a discussion of the Ruling Elite, the CIA, (and other such clandestine powers), and the power of mass media, surely we are compelled to mention, and fully consider the implications, that Bezos bought the Washington Post, for less than $250 million, within days of signing a $600 million contract with the CIA.

    Jeff Bezos is the owner of the repository of some 40% of ALL the data that ALL of Humankind has amassed and recorded. Cash flow from Amazon Web Services is predicted to soon dwarf that from his other little operation, Amazon.com.

    Jeff Bezos takes care of the CIA’s computer systems for them. (That’s what the $600 mil was for). Is Bezos the CIA’s attack dog? Or vice versa? Or….Isn’ this a ‘syndicated’ relationship?

    It was the Washington Post that kicked off Russia-gate….and Wapo has enthusiastically kept this exercise in complete social insanity going for nearly three years now….Geez….how much power are we going to let one person have? As much as they can grab….obviously…(And, by the immutable rules of nature, the richer they get, the faster they get richer still….)

    Ain’t that America today? The flow of money to the top is still accelerating rapidly. We are well on our way to neo-Feudalism, with The Rich, The Few, The Nobility, ruling over a nation of impoverished ‘peons’.

    “USA! USA!! We’re the BEST country in the world! (Cue chest beating). People better do what we say or else we’ll kill ‘em……”

    America uber alles?….yea…well…..this is REAL, folks…..This is really happening……And THIS is the very seed of The Syndicate’s utter destruction. Did the Thousand Year Reich even last a decade? Tens of millions dead. Whole continents buried in piles of rubble.

    The question is, when The Syndicate falls, will they take us ALL with them, just out of pure evil spite?

    Absolute power corrupts absolutely, you say? What better empirical evidence than to observe the foul stinking moral pus that is swelling like an angry boil in these evil people’s hearts?

    And Americans are mostly just concerned about what time the ball game’s on, and/or who some vapid Hollywood bimbo is having sex with these days. We all surely know that “bread and circuses” has always been an ancillary to the “divide and rule” maxim. (Caesar himself maintained a gladiatorial school at Capua).

    Such is the immensity of the power of mass media. Most of us, (speaking of my fellow Americans), have no idea how immediately serious and threatening our predicament is.

    Thank you again to Marek Glogoczowski for sending along Mr. Shamir’s excellent article. I do read the ‘Unz Review’ on occasion, but probably not as much as I should. I do think I somehow manage to encounter a lot of what appears there in other ways, (like through email networks), but I’m sure I miss a lot as well. I hope Mr. (Ms.?) Glogoczowski will stay in touch.

    Best to all,

    R Zwarich

    Bent Birch Farm

    63 Webber Rd

    Brookfield, MA 01506

    774 449-8030

    PS: As always, (unless I specifically request otherwise), anyone can please feel free to post my remarks anywhere they want to. I would, of course, be pleased for this to appear in the Unz review, should its editors find any merit herein. But I don’t, as a habit, submit my writing for publication. I’ll leave it up to others whether those editors will even encounter my remarks or not.

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  116. A response from Australia

    From: “Zachary C. Casper”
    An excellent analysis, worth to be read and re-read.
    Israel Shamir’s analysis is indeed interesting. In my opinion, parts of it are quite relevant and insightful, while other parts are not. But that isn’t a surprise, for these days, given all the events around the world that are occurring thick and fast, sometimes analysts and commentators get it right, while other times they do not. In the end, it requires the development of the faculty of discrimination on the part of each reader and the use of such discrimination while perusing or reading any article, that can help separate the “wheat from the chaff” and fact from fiction. And that isn’t an easy matter. I reckon that Israel Shamir has done a fairly good job of explaining some of the hidden factors behind recent events, but in my view he doesn’t completely understand some other factors which were or are at work.

    I quote:
    “In late 1980s-early 1990s, the KGB, originally the guarding dog of the Russian working class, had betrayed its Communist masters and switched to work for the Network. But for their betrayal, Gorbachev would not be able to destroy his country so fast…….” I do not agree with that statement. As far as I am concerned, the KGB did not “switch sides” and go over to “the Network” before or during the ascendancy of Mikhael Gorbachev to the leadership of the USSR. However, there is the possibility that some figures in the KGB wanted the Soviet Union to move closer to the capitalist system of the West than they were at the time. To ascertain exactly what happened would require some inside knowledge, some former KGB insider coming out and explaining what happened. As I doubt hat has happened or will happen, speculation is rife about what may have happened inside the KGB.

    “Gorbachev would not be able to destroy his country so fast…..” I certainly do not agree with that assertion. Gorbachev was the great reformer for whom the USSR had been waiting a long time before he became the Secretary General. He instituted domestic reforms through his perestroika policies that were long overdue. He also went a long way toward taking the Soviet Union out of its paranoia and isolationism through his relations with other world leaders such as Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan. The problem with the statement that Gorbachev “destroyed his country” is that the USSR was never meant to last long term, given the fact that Russia was the “top dog” in the old USSR and had subjugated other Soviet republics such as Georgia, Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan, the Baltic states and others to Russian political control. That was never going to work in the long run, simply because those republics had their own culture and historical tradition which in many cases were quite different to that of Russia. So it was always a case of when, not if, the USSR would fall apart. Gorbachev did help facilitate that process, simply because he cared about the implementation of democracy and personal rights to a far greater degree than the Soviet “strong men” who had preceded him as Secretary General.

    “….the KGB neutralised or misinformed the Communist leadership.” As stated, I think that is extremely difficult to conclude, without accurate inside info from former KGB players.

    They allowed Chernobyl to explode….. Really? Sounds pretty far fetched to me, although it could have happened.; they permitted a German pilot to land on the Red Square – this was used by Gorbachev as an excuse to sack the whole lot of patriotic generals. The KGB people were active in subverting other socialist states, too. They executed the Romanian leader Ceausescu and his wife; If that is true, then the KGB should be heartily congratulated!! Ceausescu was a pretty nasty little dictator, and in the end, very few if any Romanians mourned his passing and his execution. they brought down the GDR, the socialist Germany; If true, then another great move by the KGB! they plotted with Yeltsin against Gorbachev and with Gorbachev against Romanov.

    As the result of their plotting, the USSR fell apart.
    That is the opinion of Israel Shamir, and he is entitled to express his views. However I reckon that there are some factors that IS simply hasn’t considered. By late 1989 when the Berlin Wall was torn down, the “writing on the wall” became very clear right across Eastern Europe, particularly in the various Soviet Republics such as the Baltic State and nations whose foreign policies were controlled by the USSR such as Czechoslovakia, the German Democratic Republic and others. The winds of democracy, the winds of real change, were not just starting to blow a little but they had become a powerful storm that was about to wash away the wall of repression, control and denial of national sovereignty and individual free rights that was the nasty and very unfortunate legacy of the USSR for the previous few decades in those parts of the world. That had been imposed on many nations in Eastern Europe since the end of WW2 and the years that followed. The USSR was ripe for falling apart, simply because it was a huge political entity which controlled other smaller political and national entities through repression and associated nasty means. I doubt that the KGB had very much to do with the dissolution of the USSR, although yes, it may have played a minor part.

    The KGB plotters of 1991 had thought that post-Communist Russia would be treated by the West like the prodigal son….. Quite frankly, I highly doubt that the “movers and shakers” within the KGB were that naive or stupid! They would have known about the various nations of the West and how the capitalist economic system had shaped them. They would have known both about the positive side of capitalism – its ability to make nations prosper and grow rich within a short period of time, through the appeal to individual economic initiative and the personal incentive to prosper and grow rich – as well as its negative side, namely the ability of the small number of multimillionaires and billionaires within any nation to control the mass media and most of the politicians. The KGB wasn’t composed of clowns and fools, not at all!

    ……with a fattened calf being slaughtered for the welcome feast. To their disappointment, the stupid bastards discovered that their country was to play the part of the fattened calf at the feast, and they were turned from unseen rulers into billionaires’ bodyguards. As stated, the KGB really wasn’t that dumb or misinformed, not in my opinion anyway. They would have made a detailed analysis of both the strengths and weaknesses of the capitalist system in all Western nations. They really could not have missed the one outstanding negative feature of the capitalist system, namely the ability of the top players in the wealth bracket to gain complete control of the media and thus highly condition the mass consciousness and general outlook of the population, and as a result control most if not all of the high-profile politicians in any given nation, regardless of their professed political views.

    I do agree with IS’s comments about the treachery and untrustworthiness of spies in any given nation; that is quite relevant and insightful. IS makes some particularly insightful remarks when he writes: “……the conspiracy organised by John Brennan of CIA with active participation of FBI’s James Comey, to regime-change the US.” He makes some particularly relevant comments when he writes (my highlights): “Everywhere, in the US, the UK, and Russia, the spooks became too powerful to handle. The CIA stood behind assassination of JFK and tried to take down Trump. The British Intelligence undermined Jeremy Corbyn, after assisting the CIA in pushing for the Iraq war. They created the Steele Dossier, invented the Skripal hoaxand had brought Russia and the West to the brink of nuclear war. While Shamir makes some excellent comments in that section, particularly the comments that I have highlighted, he does not appear to understand that shortly after the US presidential election of November 2016, it was Hillary Clinton and her quite nasty associates (such as Dead George Soros) who attempted to start WW3, not once, but twice……. But that is a long story and one that is hardly known to most commentators or researchers, no matter how good they are in other parts of their analysis.

    IS makes some interesting comments in the following section, but once again I reckon he doesn’t really understand what has been going on behind the scenes:
    “In the US, the spooks allowed Donald Trump to become the leading Republican candidate, for they thought he would certainly lose to Mme Clinton.” Not correct in my view, although once again IS is certainly entitled to express his opinions. Donald Trump was not recruited by the spooks, but rather by a mysterious figure said to be extremely wealthy. The first objective of Trump and his “mystery man” sponsor was to “pull out the weeds” in the Republican party, candidates for the Repug nomination such as the decadent and corrupt Jeb Bush, the ineligible, not to say moronic Ted Cruz (he was born in Canada and thus constitutionally prohibited from becoming US President) and that little puppet of the Cuban exile community in Florida, Mario Rubio. Trump knocked out those pretenders one by one. But after that job had been done, there was an even more dangerous obstacle to dismantle, namely the corrupt, degenerate and homicidal Dem Party candidate, Hillary Clinton. “Surprisingly, he had won…. not really, as the other Repug candidates were so totally unsuitable! …..and since then, this man who was advanced as an easy prey, as a buffoon, had been hunted by the spooks-and-scribes freemasonry.” That statement is partly correct, as the CIA – “spook central” in America – was totally behind Hillary Clinton and her corrupt and degenerate crowd.

    “You’d ask me, were they so stupid that they believed their own propaganda of inevitable Clinton’s victory? Yes, they were and are stupid.” That isn’t quite correct either. The true story behind the Clinton campaign was that if the votes in the various state caucuses and primaries leading up to the Democratic convention of July 2016 had been correctly and honestly tallied and counted, then Bernie Sanders would have been the official nominee. But that didn’t happen because the Dem “top brass” – namely the “movers and shakers” in the Democratic National Committee had already made up their minds, well before the first primary in 2016 occurred, that Hillary would be the Dem Party nominee, come hell or high water…… So the DNC, in close co-operation with Hillary, plotted and succeeded in stealing the Dem Party nomination from Bernie, through voter fraud and ballot irregularities. After they got away with that little theft, they planned to use the same tactics in the presidential election itself. They thought they could pull it off, especially since they had some “big players” like George Soros (then still alive, not as now) backing the Dems and most importantly of all, the mainstream media and their multimillionaire / billionaire owners were all behind Hillary. So they started pumping out fake poll after fake news poll, starting in July 2016 when Hillary “won” the Democratic Party nomination, which showed Hillary ahead of the Trumpster anywhere from 3 to 10 points. All fake, total rubbish……. Hillary and Trump were basically running neck and neck from the summer of 2016 until about late September or early October, when Trump started to pull ahead and never relinquished the lead. None of that was broadcast to the public, of course…….

    As stated, Israel Shamir makes some good points and some quite excellent ones in his article, but in my view he also misses some key elements.

    Regards,

    Zachary Casper
    Daylesford, Victoria
    AUSTRALIA

  117. tru3 says:
    @notanon

    Oh, I’d say they have their own little storefront and are doing quite well…

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-03-17/what-cias-venture-capital-fund-investing-now

    And on a final note, Israel’s Mossad is following in IQT’s footsteps with a VC firm named Libertad Ventures. Their initial focus will be on robotics, energy, encryption, web intelligence, and natural language processing. They do not, however, intend to take equity. Or call out what they own.

  118. RobinG says:
    @israel shamir

    Well, this was serendipitous.
    Unz readers may like “One Democratic State,” published by Roger Tucker.

    A Chronicle of the Decline and Fall of the USraeli Empire
    (with special attention to Israel/Palestine)
    https://sites.google.com/site/onedemocraticstatesite/Home

    “…it is imperative to dissolve the Jewish state of Israel. Such a state, which has no basis other than a fascistic narrative constructed out of paranoia and mythology, has no legitimacy in our world. It embodies all of the characteristics that humanity has resoundingly rejected in the last century – colonialism, racism, ethnic cleansing, apartheid and genocide.. “

  119. tru3 says:
    @renfro

    To “control the currency”, does one have to own a lot of money?

  120. @israel shamir

    Regarding R. Zwarich’ remarks:

    There has always been a natural and organic tendency for human groups to organize themselves around elites of various types — financial, business, military, religious, cultural, ideological, technological, etc.

    Periodically, one elite displaces and replaces another elite.

    This basic state of affairs among the human species is unlikely to change.

    Next up: elites based on their ability to create and control AI, especially superintelligent AI.

    Next up after that: elites based on the actual superintelligent AI entities themselves.

    No idealistic or high-minded revolution is likely ever to make a dent in the natural order of things. Railing away at elites may be a waste of time and energy.

    Where do “working people” fit in this scheme? — perhaps nowhere. They may be dispensable. Strictly vestigial.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
  121. Who runs the world? Who right now are the most wealthy people in the world? The most wealthy families? The most wealthy banks, companies, industries, nations and government agencies?

    As always, follow the money. It’s a no-brainer. What is an intellectual challenge is following the hidden money.

    The people with the best tools for following the hidden money are the people who already run the world. The leading intelligence services of the world are their private police force — hirelings.

  122. manouche says:

    Great article!
    I would like to draw attention to Umberto Eco’s novel “The cemetory of Prague” .In this book,covering historical events in the second half of the 19th century the writer exposes the mindset of those agents of the shadow,that forge events,that steer opinions and mislead the masses.Although it is a fictional work,the historic events and their actors are real,apart from the main protagonist.He describes the rise of Garibaldi,la Commune de Paris,jesuit and freemason intrige,tthe main character finally becoming the author of “the protocols of the sages of Sion”.As the author states in his short afterword,all thing sais and written by the other characters have been historically documented.Great read!, that makes me skeptical to all media outlets.

  123. Regarding what spies can get up to:

    # Stefan Halper, the FBI’s Rat F****r? by Larry C Johnson
    https://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2019/05/stefan-halper-played-a-key-role-in-a-sophisticated-counterintelligence-operation-that-involved-the-fbi-the-cia-british-intel.html
    /k Spygate, Russiagate

    “Stefan Halper played a key role in a sophisticated counterintelligence operation that involved the FBI, the CIA British Intelligence and the media. The ultimate target was Donald Trump. Halper’s part of the operation focused on using an innocent woman who had the misfortune of being born in Russia, Svetlana Lokhova, to destroy General Michael Flynn.”

    All the claims in Larry Johnson’s article need to be verified, of course.

    A key question: who in the USIC was running Stefan Halper? Who hatched and approved of this scheme within the Obama administration?

    It seems unlikely that Halper instigated and managed this op all on his own.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  124. RobinG says:
    @Sean McBride

    Except that Donald Trump, who wandered [innocently?] onto the battlefield, was only collateral damage. The real target was Putin, and the “ultimate target” was the spectre of better relations with Russia, (a truly frightening prospect for the MIC and Deep State).

    “They” have been after Putin since he turned out to be more than just a “sober Yeltsin.” Reining in the oligarchs was bad enough, but then he had the nerve to maneuver Obama out of direct assault on Syria, foiling that step of the Oded Yinon plan. The guy is a menace! Making Russia great again, insufferable!

    • Replies: @Sean McBride
  125. @RobinG

    Using the USIC to take down an American president to get at Putin — that is fairly substantial collateral damage.

    Regarding displeasure at foiling the Oded Yinon Plan: on the other hand, wouldn’t one expect the Israeli IC — at least the Likud side of it — to be backing and covertly supporting Trump to the hilt? Trump and Netanyahu are in almost perfect sync on most issues.

    Btw, spies who really count would be those who could populate the following datasets:

    -communications between Stefan Halper and CIA, 2015-2019
    -communications between Stefan Halper and FBI, 2015-2019
    -communications between Stefan Halper and Five Eyes, 2015-2019
    -communications between Stefan Halper and James Clapper, 2015-2019
    -communications between Stefan Halper and James Comey, 2015-2019
    -communications between Stefan Halper and John Brennan, 2015-2019
    -communications between Stefan Halper and MI6, 2015-2019
    -communications between Stefan Halper and Richard Dearlove, 2015-2019

    They might reside in NSA, DIA, ONI, Unit 8200, GCHQ, GRU or other agencies. Or they they might be independent hackers from anywhere.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  126. annamaria says:

    The ever lying profiteer “sir” Richard Dearlove:
    https://dailycaller.com/2019/04/16/richard-dearlove-steele-russia-halper-flynn/

    Sir Richard Dearlove has links to several key players involved in the Trump-Russia investigation, including Christopher Steele, Stefan Halper and Michael Flynn.

    Despite that, Dearlove, the former head of MI6, has largely avoided media scrutiny, or that of American lawmakers probing the origins of the Russia investigation. …

    Though Dearlove has refused to acknowledge his links to Steele, The Washington Post has reported that the pair convened in September 2016 to discuss the dossier.

    More:

    Dearlove was head of MI6 when the British government peddled a report alleging that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. The British government, led by Prime Minister Tony Blair, used the dossier as a pretext to launch a war against Iraq.

    The pitiful fall of Cambridge reputation:

    Dearlove served as president of Cambridge’s Pembroke College from 2005 through 2015.

    Currently, this scoundrel “serves as Chair of Board of Trustees of University of London.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Dearlove

  127. RobinG says:
    @Sean McBride

    ….wouldn’t one expect the Israeli IC — at least the Likud side of it — to be backing and covertly supporting Trump to the hilt?

    No. Trump had to be brought to heel, after suggesting that US avoid counter-productive wars, withdraw troops from Syria, etc. [Likud was adamant in pressing US to invade Iraq.]

    BTW, Trump hasn’t been “taken down,” just roughed up a little.

  128. @Sean McBride

    The elites are parasites of course–what puzzles me is why they don’t use their power to convince the “working people” to work longer and harder–and instead waste their efforts on social justice warrior propaganda. A demoralized worker is not a hard worker. Apparently abusing their power is more fun than using it rationally–and probably the elites are so wealthy that there is no measurable marginal utility in stealing the next billion dollars.

    AI will not follow that path–and that may be a clue to tell us when humanity no longer controls its own destiny.

    On a personal level, each of us must set our own goals–and completely ignore what the “leaders” and “experts” tell us–pre AI and post AI.

    • Replies: @Sean McBride
  129. @Marvelous Goy

    Your comment is reductionist and wrong. This is not what E Michael Jones believes.

    Race is not a solution to the political problems of a godless country established by deracinated deists unless you think that, say, Joe Biden and David Duke have the same political ideology.

    As it is true that all authority comes from God, any country that legislates country to the Universal Kingship of Jesus Christ is doomed to failure.

    If you know the Four Sins crying to Heaven for vengeance and you know that these United States has positive law in support of those four sins then just how long do you think we all have before vengeance is exercised by God?

  130. @Justvisiting

    From the standpoint of superintelligent AI, human beings setting their own goals will be neither here nor there — no more than rabbits or cows setting their own goals is a matter of much consequence for human beings.

    Human beings will propose, superintelligent AI will dispose.

    In that world, human conflicts over ethnicity, race, religion and culture may not be matters of much significance.

  131. @British parliament – 2/3rds friends of Israel.
    That’s forgetting the one third who are crypto-friends of Israel. Jeremy Corbyn is Jewish, just like Hitler and Eichmann and all the rest of the top Nazis.

    JFK assassination was a hoax.

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