Interesting take from a Jewish perspective. However, the increasingly uncivil war between Jewish factions and between other establishment factions may not end with Trump’s inauguration. Note the James Petras article.

I don’t believe Trump is a threat to Zionist ambitions in the Middle East. The Obama snub in the UN is just an ineffectual personal snub and will be undone by Trump when he assumes power.

The American Jewish establishment have a stranglehold on the American political apparatus. They are simply too entrenched to be ignored or fought by Trump even if he wanted to change course.

I question whether there is really a fight between American Liberal Jews and American Zionist Jews and Israeli Jews. The tribal bonds are too ancient and strong to be broken.

I will admit there is no love lost between the Liberal Jewish media and Trump but Trump has sided with Israeli Jews and America under Trump will be pro- Israeli as usual.

However I don’t underestimate Netanyahu’s ability to alienate and mismanage Trump’s pro Israeli sentiments because they are both stubborn inflexible bullies and a personal animosity between them could usher in significant changes in the Israeli- American relations, in spite of the best efforts of Trump’s Jewish advisors.

Er, ah:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/28/us/politics/donald-trump-united-nations-israel.html?_r=0

Ids jes’ mazin’ wet ackrobatics sum foke’l go thre te bild uh wat neshunlis’ zighonis’ blok undeh deh ponteefecayt uv Señor Trump, yessuh.

‘Mines a buddy uh bit uv Esther Williams.

The two most fundamentalist, Old Testament societies, Israel and the United States, are at odds with most of the Abrahamic World leading to wanton destruction of Apostates by the chosen and the exceptional people for the Lord, Mammon or lebensraum.

The largest export from America to Tel Aviv, even larger than all those dollars is …balls. Harvested in vast quantities at the Nation’s Capital, from Christian Zionists, Major Media and, of course, the resident Tribe.

http://robertmagill.wordpress.com

What I don’t understand is the resolution doesn’t really do… anything. So why are Israelis so worked up? What’s a few quasi-harsh words?

For a people who have such zeal in their legitimacy they sure get worked up on the slightest verbal provocation. Unless that legitimacy is so shaky it can ill afford a few unpleasant and basically ineffectual sentences.

Or maybe some genetic-level fear that’s instilled in every Israeli (you would think nukes are enough to give you a sure heart).

But what do I know….

trump: “my grandson is a jew” is going to treat israel badly? come on.

Interesting in the context of the author’s remarks about liberal Jews and Zionists (not necessarily mutually exclusive categories I would have though BTW) is the fact that John Key, the New Zealand PM, who has only just announced his retirement while right on top of the political game, has a Jewish mother.

It’s a hilarious thing watching everyone trying to out Jew everyone else.

This cannot be good for Zionists and Trump knows it.
Trump plays chess, Netanyahu plays checkers.

Check out these:

If Jews in Europe and Russia prior to WWII were as corrosive and hostile to their hosts as modern Jews in America are to America’s majority, it’s no wonder that the Germans wanted them out, many Poles, Russians and Ukrainians wanted them dead, and the Nazis had willing collaborators everywhere they went. Were/are Jews really hated for no reason at all?

Massa sure be mad, just hope he don’t get out the really big whip and crack it again on our backs, like he did on 9/11.

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/9-11/Israel_did_it

There’s around 200 nations on the planet, but most of the time, the only one Americans hear about is Israel, who repeatedly wins the Gold Medal for being the most self-absorbed, whiniest people on Earth.

That is a good question, Max.

If the resolution makes no real “demands” on Israel, why all the huff and puff from King Bibi ?

I think the reason is “exposure”.

If Israel can have a resolution in the U.N.S.C. “vetoed” …then for all intensive purposes the resolution “vanishes” as though it never existed.

And everyone goes on about their business.

But when a resolution passes unanimously, as this one did, (specifically critical of Israels “illegal” settlements in the Palestinian Territories) …then it pulls back the curtain, on ALL of world opinion, which is wholly unanimous in disavowing the admissibility of acquiring territory through force.

The resolution makes it crystal clear the “entire world” views the settlement enterprise as illegal.

The absence of the veto “un-vanishes” this…..makes it stick……makes it “real”……

And that “stings”.

You have some interesting points, but despite Shamir’s retaining his name, I believe that he is an Orthodox Christian, as he says he is.

He certainly spouts thoughts that seem too optimistic at times, as in this article, but I think it is never from malice or to spread disinfo.

Such arrogant and outrageous behavior by Israeli politicians could not have continued for so long unless both they and their American counterparts were in the same bed. As the saying goes, we teach people how to treat us. That Obama waited until the last twenty days of his administration to abstain from a vote by the UN condemning Apartheid Israel, is testament to the rot in Washington.

Dec 29, 2016 Rabbis hold press conference in support of UN resolution on Israeli settlements

Rabbi Dovid Feldman speaks at press conference organized by Neturei Katrta International, in support of recent resolution by the United Nations Security Council condemning the Israeli settlements as illegal. The event took place outside the United Nations headquarters in New York City, on Wednesday, On December 28, 2016

You can’t allow the Jews to hold power, they are far too smart and crazy aggressive. Creating the State of Israel was the stupidest thing the the West ever did, just look at the trouble they have caused. bad enough that they own everything and control the money, giving them a Country was just a real bad move.

You forget that

The Obama snub in the UN is just an ineffectual personal snub and will be undone by Trump when he assumes power.

the snub is based on international law.

As I said in an earlier post, they steal the land. This is based on swanning about with assault rifles and seizing the tops of all of the hiills.

Have you ever met Israelis?

They will behave in a nice way, I suppose, to Jews.

They are always arrogant, I know it from temporary housing for a few months in the ’80s, then at the end of the ’90s and early ’00, our government decided to not allow them to enter and run illegal businessses in Japan soon after, this a good thing, I think.

I will not recounting the worst thing I was witnessing from them, the mods would likely not allowing me to say it, but I think things like that had something to do with the govt. stopping the laissez-faire system for Israelis.

The West-bank invaders must be much worse.

So, the UN passes another toothless resolution, asking Israel to please stop stealing land and fomenting genocide, to which America obtains from voting. That is about as wishy washy as you can get, and about as out of line, Zionists will permit even if it is just for show.

This whole tiff with Israel is most likely a rouse, a tactic of manipulation: The right hates Obama, so make Israel appear to be an enemy of Obama, “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”, ergo, Israel is a friend of the right. It is typical realignment after the change of parties in Washington, democrat or republican, the Zionist Jews are always in control.

The key is the media, they will start to change the dialog to their (Zionist’s) liking.

Great post, how many MSM outlets covered this story I wonder? Ignored by the ZioMedia I am sure.

Dear Mr Shamir,

After listening to Secretary Kerry enumerate his parameters for a resolution to this difficult and long standing conflict….it seems to be handing Israel nearly everything it always wanted..

1. The largest existing settlement blocks would not be disbanded but incorporated into Israel.
2. The Palestinians expelled in 48′ (and their descendants) would agree to accept compensation packages for relinquishing their “Right of Return” to what is now Israel.

3. The newly formed state of Palestine would be wholly “demilitarized”.

4. Israel retains its “Jewish demographic majority” in a state of its own with clearly defined borders and consequently its right to control its own destiny in perpetuity.

5. Decades of conflict, strife, cruelty,suffering and heartbreak would be replaced with the tidings of peace, good will and cooperation.

6. Huge bridges to Israel would be built overnight, with the promise of trade, tourism, and prosperity unknown to an Israel trapped in its state of perpetual conflict.

Mr. Netanyahu spares no expense in reiterating the imperative of Israel’s need for “Security”…….

…..yet seems to be wholly oblivious to the fact that nothing could bring MORE security to Israel …..than being “at Peace” with its neighbors.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/26/world/middleeast/israel-settlements-un-security-council-benjamin-netanyahu-obama.html?_r=0

Earlier in another edition ,NYTimes tells us that Israel is planning to bar the personnel s from UN.

Saddam must be wondering what he did wrong by ” defying the UN ” and by banning the ‘ personnel from UN Inspection team” even though he exactly did not do either of the 2 .

I am looking for opportunities to relay this knowledge to UNZ readers.

The ‘Saker’ has written a scathing and slanderous attack against Palestinians. He refers to the “terror campaign the Palestinians waged”.

“The ‘Saker‘ wrote the following in his missive: 2016: The Year of Russia’s Triumph. I quote substantially.

“The Russians need to revisit the kind of terror campaign the Palestinians waged in the 1970s against the Israelis when they attacked not only Israeli cultural centers, but also Jewish daycare centers, schools, and synagogues. Russian Orthodox churches are now facing the very same threat including bombings and hostage taking. As somebody who has attended Russian Orthodox churches all my life and all over the planet I know that the number of potential targets are in the *hundreds* and that they are all completely unprotected.

The Israeli example is crucial here because the Israelis rapidly realized that they simply could not count on the local police forces to protect them. This is why they organized various local organizations directly attached to a synagogue or school staffed by volunteers who could do many very useful and fully legal things to protect Israeli/Jewish targets such as, for example, begin to occupy all the parking spaces around a synagogue 48 hours before any religious holiday to make sure that no VBIEDs (aka “car bombs”) could be placed next to the synagogue. There is *a lot* a well educated group of volunteers can do to legally protect an exposed civilian target. They can do even better when they work with the locals cops and the security specialists at the embassy. The Russians urgently need to study the Israeli experience in dealing with a kind of threat which they will soon face. Remember, the Palestinians also began by attacking diplomats, officials and aircraft, but as soon as these targets were “hardened” they turn to daycare centers, schools and synagogues.”

The ‘Saker,’ is clearly attacking the victims of Zionist-Nazi Ethnic Cleansing. It is the Zionist entity and the Zionist New World Order that has terrorized Palestinians, stolen their Land, eradicated their towns and cities, destroyed hundreds of their Temples and Churches, jailed more than 10,000 Palestinian Political Prisoners, and butchered thousands of their people, including women, children, and their elderly.

The timing of his pro-Zionist attack is key; he writes it just after the successful passing of a decent United Nations Security Council resolution that relays some support for the Palestinian Nation in their struggle to survive.

What is the true role of the ‘Saker’? How can he express something – so wrong? Why? Who is he working for? His actual name and identity is well known. For an individual who has claimed to be in opposition to the Anglo Zionist New World Order, how can he explain this?

Durruti

Never so much trouble from so few, said a friend. Many people hope for their fall. Even very cautious politicians and statesmen would rejoice if these arrogant people were cut down to size.

All it takes is a few bad apples…

Nay, indeed, the danger concerns not those Jews that dwell here only, but those of them which dwell in other cities also; for there is no people upon the habitable earth which have not some portion of you among them, whom your enemies will slay, in case you go to war, and on that account also; and so every city which hath Jews in it will be filled with slaughter for the sake of a few men, and they who slay them will be pardoned; but if that slaughter be not made by them, consider how wicked a thing it is to take arms against those that are so kind to you.

-Flavius Josephus, The Wars of the Jews, Bk 2, Chap 16, (The Jewish king Agrippa’s speech to the rebels.) William Whiston, A.M., Ed.

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0148%3Abook%3D2%3Awhiston%20chapter%3D16%3Awhiston%20section%3D4

Speaking of “cautious statesmen” , King Agrippa was a fine example of that.

As far as “many people wait for their fall,” chapters 16-18 confirm the ancient roots of the claim. Too bad it consistently takes so few to make a huge mess.

Thanks for viewing and commenting tjm. I have had allot of not so mainstream sources of information for a very long time now to counter the faux free press run by the big six corporations.

Jun. 14, 2012 These 6 Corporations Control 90% Of The Media In America

That’s consolidated from 50 companies back in 1983. But the fact that a few companies own everything demonstrates “the illusion of choice,” Frugal Dad says. While some big sites, like Digg and Reddit aren’t owned by any of the corporations, Time Warner owns news sites read by millions of Americans every year.

http://www.businessinsider.com/these-6-corporations-control-90-of-the-media-in-america-2012-6

Dec 2, 2016 Touring Palestine’s Besieged Refugee Camps

In her first on-the-ground report from Palestine, Abby Martin gives a first-hand look into two of the most attacked refugee camps in the West Bank: Balata and Aida camps.

Understatement of the century.:

Israeli behaviour contributed a lot to the change.

I too wondered why they are so worked up over something that amounts to nothing really. But I guess it’s that old racial superiority problem they still have in which no one may dare to criticize them.

While Saker has some good sources on certain subjects he is a man, judging by his writings, with a whole slew of irrational hatreds that color his perspective, and not in a good way. Generally Mr Shamir is a more reliable source than Saker and of course has his own sources.

The points you brought up are one but no the only reason I don’t read Saker anymore.

You are showing a history of utter indoctrination.
Yes they were disliked, but ‘exterminated’ not.

The same story all over the US.

Questions to ask:

“They are always arrogant”…”I will not recounting the worst thing I was witnessing from them”

Jews can be humans to others only when they are a minority in a civilized country. At least they have to pretend. In their own country there is no need for pretense as there is no force to restrain their arrogance, chutzpah, sense of entitlement and suprematism. It was a terrible mistake to allow Jews have their own country. In the West after Enlightenment when Jews were emancipated in early 19 century they were given a chance to assimilate and get civilized. It kind of worked. It was also of great benefit to Jews. They have learned arts and science. Became composers, scientists, writers and even painter which their Bronze Age civilization could not create on its own. The creation of Israel set back this process.

The resolution makes it crystal clear the “entire world” views the settlement enterprise as illegal.

Exactly — the US Jew MSM is focusing and concentrating on Obama in propagandist fashion — when the whole would voted against Israel.

They make it out that there was only one bad misguided shameful man, when in reality 7 billion people opposed them. Cleaver those Jews.

Peace — Art

Liberal Zionist Jews of America have been called to choose: are they with racism and Zionism, or with liberal values.

Clearly the US Jews have chosen racism and Zionism – they are Zombies – incapable of honesty when it comes to Jew matters.

Now Trump feels he needs Jewish support, but after inauguration? He’ll see its cost may be too high. Trump will probably play it like Putin: being friendly but minding his own business.

Let us hope this is true – any concentration on the ME will diminish what America needs most – a better structured economy.

Peace — Art

Wally, of course the six million story is false, and a good chunk of those who did die died of disease and starvation towards the end of the war, when Germany was being destroyed, and Germans were also dying from disease and starvation. It’s still true that the Nazis rounded up Jews for deportation, and that many Jews were killed in Eastern Europe to even the score for Bolshevik crimes. The Germans had collaborators everywhere they went for a reason.

Thanks for response.

Agreed.

I’m sorry this isn’t Twitter, where I could simply like your comment.

Durruti:

The Saker is not attacking “the victims of Zionist-Nazi Ethnic Cleansing.”

What the Saker is doing is to suggest some prophylactic measures to be taken to ensure the safety of some of Russia’s worldwide assets.

Dan Hayes,

Thanks for responding.

You write:

“The Saker is not attacking “the victims of Zionist-Nazi Ethnic Cleansing.”

Then what is this? The ‘Saker’ wrote:

“ the kind of terror campaign the Palestinians waged in the 1970s against the Israelis”

The highlights are mine.

or:

“Remember, the Palestinians also began by attacking diplomats, officials and aircraft, but as soon as these targets were “hardened” they turn to daycare centers, schools and synagogues.”

These highlights are mine. Notice the Present Tense of “they turn to”.

The ‘Saker’ is clearly “attacking “the victims of Zionist-Nazi Ethnic Cleansing.”

These highlights are also mine.

For dogs sake! Read ‘Saker’s’ missive. He is slandering the Palestinians, distorting the history of their struggle, and using the “Israelis” as the ‘good model’ of how to protect oneself from terrorism, even though the Zionist ‘Israelis’ are the actual Terrorists.

One cannot protect oneself from terrorism, if one does not have the intestinal fortitude to accurately identify the Terrorists. That lesson has been lost on the ‘Saker,’ and you?

ISIS, Al Quaida, and the other alphabet soup of terrorists, have been financed and organized by the American and Zionist World Order.

Finally, reread Shamir’s article. Shamir writes:

” But the Jews do not care for the fairness, just for the bottom line. Their mistreatment of Palestinians exceeded every limit of tolerance.” And there’s more.

Durruti

Excellent quotes, you just blazed a new trail for me 😉

“…The idea that Trump is playing off the Zionist Jews against the liberal Jews seems very plausible. That Putin also does this is also an apt observation…”

I hope this is correct.

If it’s bad for the Jews it’s good for the USA.

Was the SAKER paid for writing such drivel? By pandering to Netanyahu and blaming the victims of the Zionist crimes, the Saker inflicted an irreparable damage to his name. From now on, he will be perceived as nothing more than a Zionist Shill. Thanks Durruti for exposing him. I really thought he was better than this, but boy I was wrong!

Wally, the stuff in the forum.codoh.com is the same tricks used by the Japanese to white wash and deny their war crimes, crimes against peace, and crimes against humanity; such as questioning the minute details, presenting false evidence, watering down events, outright denial, pointing fingers, accuse victim aggressively, …., the same morally defunct evil propaganda the American is using to wage reckless wars around the world on the moral high ground.

You need to use something else other than forum.codoh.com to prove ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers is scientifically impossible.” Continue to use forum.codoh.com as the sole evidence to support your insistence that the Holocaust is a scam and has never happened is merely showing that “you are showing a history of utter indoctrination” and a war crime, crime against peace and crime against humanity denier. You should never underestimate the dark side of human beings.

I would prefer to just hit ‘Agree’, but it deserves more reply than that.

In my experience here and overseas, most (by no means, not all, I have complete faith, for example, in the goodwill towards the US and the world of our host, Mr. Unz, I had friends overseas, too) Jewish people treat non-Jews as non-human unless they can see a means to gain.

I use Jewish because the Israelis are, in my experience the worst, but many Jewish people who are not Israeli citizens (but can automatically becoming that to flee any crime) are very unpleasant.

If Madoff had made it to Israel, he would have automatic asylum there.

As it stands, his relatives are heirs to the dirty fortune he amassed.

Although the funny point of Madoff, and the only reason he was arrested, was that his marks were mainly fellow ‘chosen’.

LOL.

Joe,

You need to think more. Do you see anythhng much in English on Nanking or 741？

If you are truly a Wong, you must thinking about it.

Most of the docs on codoh seem to be factual, sure, part are fantasy, if you want to refute them, you need the refutal, not just ‘that is bad, you must not cite it.’, which is the line you are using here.

Regards.

Don’t get me wrong, I am 100% against genocide, racism, and hate but I simply believe it did not happen.

1. Where are the bodies? The ones you see in photos are hardly evidence of gassings (I’ll elaborate on that on #2). Those either died from starvation or typhus. When the Red Cross came after the war, there was not a single autopsy that linked a corpse to a gassing. Not one. The official explanation for this is pretty much that they cremated all 6 million, but, again, where is the physical proof? It is very well within our means to find the very large layer of ash that 6 million bodies would leave within the earth, but, to this day, nothing of the sort been found.

2. Why do the eyewitness testimonies describe the gassed corpses having colors that would be scientific impossibilities? Look at any medical journal within the past 100 years. You will find that hydrogen cyanide/carbon monoxide poisoning results in an unmistakably cherry red color that a medical professional can easily identify just by looking at it. Yet, many of these testimonies are describing yellow, green, black, etc. colored corpses. Wtf? These are against everything we know about cases of hydrogen cyanide/carbon monoxide corpses. The only logical conclusion after this would be that the witnesses lied. In reference to #1, a cherry red corpse would not be white like the bodies you see on monochrome Holocaust photos. They would be a very distinct grey.

There are not only inconsistencies with the bodies themselves, but the process behind the gassings. Filip Müller’s testimony (which is highly regarded) contradicts the logistics and the mechanism behind on German delousing technology (because that’s what the gas chambers were for). These were state of the art chambers whose science is heavily covered in pre-Hitler German literature and his testimony simply contradicts the specific way these chambers were properly used. One example of this was his description of Zyklon-B “crystals” and “perforated” funnels, which is a description that is not only inconsistent with the actual technology (by someone who supposedly was familiar with how they operated), but a setup that would have failed to allow proper ventilation necessary to kill most of the victims in the room.

3. Why are there no German documents that identify any gassing victims? Feel free to send me one because you will not find any, as hard as that is to believe. Why are there no German documents that speak of gassing exterminations?

4. Why were Nuremberg Trials confessions obtained under torture? Why is the Holocaust the only event ever that is illegal to deny?

I will consider, and always have, any overwhelming proof in support of the Holocaust, but I am waiting because there is simply not enough cold, hard proof to back it up, the burden of which is on the claimant.

Durruti,

Your quotations are correct. Thank you.

But I maintain that the main component of Saker’s article is its proscription for ways to ensure the safety of some of Russia’s worldwide assets.

Originally I did not emphasize the “main component” aspect. I should have.

You need to use something else other than forum.codoh.com to prove ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers is scientifically impossible.”

There are several other resources that argue from numerous other perspectives to get at fundamental facts about WWII and the alleged holocaust.

One such resource is Institute for Historical Review (IHR);

another resource, related to CODOH, is the Holocaust Handbook Series, and especially Lectures on the Holocaust—Controversial Issues Cross Examined, by Germar Rudolf
“Lectures” is available online at http://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/15-loth.pdf
You may notice that while the authors of many Holocaust Handbooks offer their writing free, online, they also ask for donations: one of the major difficulties with taking alternative viewpoints about the war (otherwise known as telling both sides of the story) is that those who promote the dogmatized narrative have vast wealth behind them, while those who promulgate an alternative perspective are often fined, fired, imprisoned, etc. for the thinking and writing, and their research burned.

Which takes us to yet another resource: David Irving has devoted many years of his life to seeking out primary sources, writing about, and publishing important history about World War II and its key personalities. Irving has been imprisoned, fined, and his research removed from his home. Here’s Irving’s website — http://www.fpp.co.uk or google for his numerous video presentations.

Continue to use forum.codoh.com as the sole evidence to support your insistence that the Holocaust is a scam and has never happened is merely showing that “you are showing a history of utter indoctrination” and a war crime, crime against peace and crime against humanity denier.

“. . .as the sole evidence . . .”
That’s interesting: the enforcers of the holocaust dogma insist that the rest of us accept their narrative “as the sole evidence” of a very complex series of events, the most destructive in all of human history, and failing to accept their “sole evidence” convicts us of “a war crime and crime against peace and against humanity.”
Serious stuff.

Germar Rudolf http://germarrudolf.com

David Irving, Ursula Haverbeck https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPa_QeV9KDM

Ernst Zundel https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/ernst-zundel

Robert Faurisson http://robertfaurisson.blogspot.com

Sylvia Stolz http://www.newsweek.com/former-german-lawyer-imprisoned-holocaust-denial-second-time-309725

So many dangerous people.
Or so few courageous truth-tellers.
What do you think, Joe Wong: dangerous or courageous?

Perhaps you’re right: “CODOH as the sole evidence” may be too limiting, but several other resources are offered, above. Check back when you’ve mastered all of them.

You should never underestimate the dark side of human beings.

Do all human beings or just some human beings have a dark side?

It seems to me that a group that seeks to enforce one and one only version of the history of a very dark period in history is trying just a tad too hard to conceal their own complicity in those events. Otherwise, why would they resist shining the light?

Do you have a different explanation for why it should be against the law to investigate fully, from all sides, who did what to whom and why?

If we really mean Never Again when we say Never Again, do you think it’s important to have a full understanding of what happened in the first instance?

Dan Hayes,

“Your quotations are correct. Thank you.”

The “quotations” condemn the ‘Saker’ utterly. If he wishes to “ensure the safety of some of Russia’s worldwide assets.” he, the ‘Saker’ would do better to identify the actual terrorists – who are endangering Russia, as well as the survival of the Human Race.

The “main component” s- must be the Truth, and sympathy for the Oppressed.

These Terrorists are not the Palestinians. The ‘Saker’ could easily have used examples of actual terrorism conducted against Russia, or the Soviet Union, to make his point. His decision to slander the Palestinians, who are utterly repressed, and living in exile, or in Refugee camps, or the Concentration Camp of Gaza, or in the vast Zionist Entity Gulag prison System, or in tightly surrounded and walled-in communities in the ‘West Bank,’ displays a darker motive.

Hollywood has made enough of those movies that slander the victims of Zionism.

I appreciate our frank discussion.

Your wonderful, intelligent posts rightly qualify you as SolontoEverybody. Please continue your great work!

Thanks.

Sent link to my mailing list.

Floyd, doesn’t it even occur to you that there was a perfectly valid and legitimate reason why Jews were not hostile to each and every government in countries like Russia and other EE nations?

That there was a reason for that . Maybe the fact that they were second class citizens in these countries and so had no obligation to be loyal citizens. I won’t go into your diabolic justifications for why millions of innocent Jewish men women and children had to die. Let alone that that all the aforementioned people that you listed were right to “want them dead”. I hope in your next life or even in this life your descendants will experience what it is like to live under the government who wants you dead and wishes you harm.

It is the subhumanity of people like yourself and an asinine refusal to try to understand the things from the Jewish perspective that facilitated Zionism and created the ME conflict and it will sure as HELL not be even remotely successful in resolving it.

Heaping all the stereotypes of the Jews on Israelis and judging them from a biased perspective and impossibly high standards, will certainly not help to bring about peace.

IMO, the power a minority has over a majority is always shaky. Words are an expression of ideas, and ideas lead to action. A resolution such as this is a challenge to the sense of superiority and moral authority inherent in the conquest and settlement of Palestine. Given the ultimate weakness of their position, as it depends so much on the support of the U.S., this is a 5 alarm fire.

“Floyd, doesn’t it even occur to you that there was a perfectly valid and legitimate reason why Jews were not hostile to each and every government in countries like Russia and other EE nations?”

Does it ever occur to you that there are valid reasons that people resent or dislike Jews that have nothing to do with Jewish success or brilliance? Many Europeans heavily associated Jews with Bolsheviks, and Bolshevik crimes, which is one reason that the Germans had so many collaborators. It’s also true that most Europeans were second-class citizens, or worse–serfs–for much of European history.

Jews set themselves apart as much as they are set apart by others. Just look at the Jewish community in America, which has been treated fabulously well, and is still largely hostile and corrosive towards the majority, and largely devoted to the marginalization and destruction of traditional America. Name one Jewish organization that isn’t constantly on the attack against traditional America. There isn’t one. If Jews were as bad in Europe pre-WWII, it’s no surprise that they were hated.

” I won’t go into your diabolic justifications for why millions of innocent Jewish men women and children had to die. Let alone that that all the aforementioned people that you listed were right to “want them dead.”

My point was that the six million number is not correct, and that many who died did so from disease or starvation towards the end of the war when Germans were also dying from disease and starvation. As for the revenge killings in EE, the Bolsheviks weren’t that innocent, and their victims likely knew who they were going after. Maybe you should realize that Jews aren’t always innocent victims, and that other people have motives that are just as human as those of any Jew.

” I hope in your next life or even in this life your descendants will experience what it is like to live under the government who wants you dead and wishes you harm.”

That’s mighty Jewish of you. No surprise there.

“It is the subhumanity of people like yourself and an asinine refusal to try to understand the things from the Jewish perspective that facilitated Zionism and created the ME conflict and it will sure as HELL not be even remotely successful in resolving it.”

Again mighty Jewish of you! Must be great to be fully human. Who says I care one bit about the ME. I don’t. I want America’s problems solved, and I don’t care one bit about Jewish sensibilities.

” Heaping all the stereotypes of the Jews on Israelis and judging them from a biased perspective and impossibly high standards, will certainly not help to bring about peace.”

I’m not sure I did any of that. However, when Jewish Americans work so closely with Israelis, and care more about Israelis than other Americans, I have no problem lumping them together. Both groups are largely foreign to me. FWIW, I’ve lived among Israelis and Jewish Americans, and they are very similar in many ways. Neither Israelis or American Jews seem to want peace in the ME, or anywhere for that matter. The neocons certainly don’t, and the phony leftist Jews only talk peace, but always back Israel in the end. The tribal stereotype is accurate.

If it’s good for the USA, Israel or the West, it’s bad for the majority of the world’s people.

“The white people like fair play: they gave full rights to Jews and blacks though it was not to their advantage.”

When did white people give full rights to Blacks? When they kidnapped and enslaved millions of Africans for several centuries to provide the labor to make Western wealth possible? When they agreed to divide up Africa among themselves to be looted for its resources with the help of coerced labor? And what about the period since the end of official slavery, when laws have been and still are written and interpreted to criminalize and enslave Black people for doing things that whites do as much, but are rarely prosecuted for? And, at least in the U.S., New Deal programs were fine-tuned to help whites much more than Blacks?

And it’s not just Blacks that have suffered from white “fair play”. There’s also the white colonialist extermination of indigenous peoples, mainly in the Americas, and the white colonialist exploitation of people and plunder of resources in much of Asia. If white people do “like fair play”, I hate to imagine how they would have behaved over the centuries if they didn’t!

Hilariously enough, it looks like the Faker has indirectly influenced US-RF relations https://medium.com/@jeffreycarr/the-gru-ukraine-artillery-hack-that-may-never-have-happened-820960bbb02d#.h3qx3ng81

A marvellously comprehensive summary of the state of affairs regarding the claims of the “Holocaust”.

Solonto, if you don’t mind, could you write a little about yourself, maintaining anonymity of course. You appear to be a really interesting and informed individual. HdC

It is, however, a nice convenient concentration of Jews for enemies to target. If Israel were eliminated, that get rid of well over one-third of the world’s Jews at one stroke. That would, of course, be a tragedy and a moral crime.

AGREED.

The tiny percentage of whites who purchased black slaves — less than one tenth of one percent of Americans or Brits, to be sure — bought them FROM OTHER BLACK AFRICANS, rather than, typically, “kidnapping” them.

It’s right and necessary to condemn both the white (or sometimes Jewish) buyer and the black African seller. But that wouldn’t fit your fantasy of uniquely evil whites and innocent blacks.

Slavery is wrong no matter who practiced it, and it was practiced by Africans and Arabs on a wide scale as well — including the massive African role in selling their alleged brothers into slavery in the west.