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Billionaire businessman Marc Cuban insists that the H-1B visa racket is a feature of the vaunted American free market. This is nonsense on stilts. It can’t go unchallenged.

Another billionaire, our president, has ordered that the H-1B program be reformed. This, too, is disappointing. You’ll see why.

First, let’s correct Mr. Cuban: America has not a free economy, but a mixed-economy. State and markets are intertwined. Trade, including trade in labor, is not free; it’s regulated to the hilt. If anything, the labyrinth of work visas is an example of a fascistic government-business cartel in operation.

The H-1B permit, in particular, is part of that state-sponsored visa system. The primary H-1B hogs—Infosys (and another eight, sister Indian firms), Microsoft, and Intel—import labor with what are grants of government privilege. Duly, the corporations that hog H-1Bs act like incorrigibly corrupt rent seekers. Not only do they get to replace the American worker, but they get to do so at his expense.

Here’s how:

Globally, a series of sordid liaisons ensures that American workers are left high and dry. Through the programs of the International Trade Administration, the Export-Import Bank, the Overseas Private Investment Corporation, the International Monetary Fund, and other oink-operations, the taxpaying American worker is forced to subsidize and underwrite the investment risks of the very corporations that have given him the boot.

Domestically, the fascistic partnership with the State amounts to a subsidy to business at the expense of the taxpayer. See, corporations in our democratic welfare state externalize their employment costs onto the taxpayers.

So while public property is property funded by taxpayers through expropriated taxes; belongs to taxpayers; is to be managed for their benefit—at least one million additional immigrants a year, including recipients of the H-1B visa, are allowed the free use of taxpayer-supported infrastructure and amenities. Every new arrival avails himself of public works such as roads, hospitals, parks, libraries, schools, and welfare.

Does this epitomize the classical liberal idea of laissez faire?

Moreover, chain migration or family unification means every H-1B visa recruit is a ticket for an entire tribe. The initial entrant—the meal ticket—will pay his way. The honor system not being an especially strong value in the Third World, the rest of the clan will be America’s problem. More often than not, chain-migration entrants become wards of the American taxpayer.

Spreading like gravy over a tablecloth, this rapid, inorganic population growth is detrimental to all ecosystems: natural, social and political.

Take Seattle and its surrounding counties. Between April 2015 and 2016, the area was inundated with “86,320 new residents, marking it the region’s biggest population gains this century. Fueled in large part by the technology industry, an average of 236 people is moving to the Seattle area each day,” reported (Reporters for our local fish-wrapper—in my case, parrot-cage liner—have discharged their journalistic duties by inviting readers to “share” their traffic-jam stories.)

Never as dumb as the local reporters, the likes of Bill Gates, Steve Ballmer, Mark Zuckerberg and Marc Cuban are certainly as detached.

Barricaded in their obscenely lavish compounds—from the comfort of their monster mansions—these social engineers don’t experience the “environmental impacts of rapid urban expansion”; the destruction of verdant open spaces and farmland; the decrease in the quality of the water we drink and air we breathe, the increase in traffic and traffic accidents, air pollution, the cellblock-like housing erected to accommodate their imported I.T. workers and extended families, the delicate bouquet of amped up waste management and associated seepages.

For locals, this lamentable state means an inability to afford homes in a market in which property prices have been artificially inflated. Young couples lineup to view tiny apartments. They dream of that picket fence no more. (And our “stupid leaders,” to quote the president before he joined leadership, wonder why birthrates are so low!)

In a true free market, absent the protectionist state, corporate employers would be accountable to the community, and would be wary of the strife and lowered productivity brought about by a multiethnic and multi-linguistic workforce. All the more so when a foreign workforce moves into residential areas almost overnight as has happened in Seattle and its surrounds.

Alas, since the high-tech traitors can externalize their employment costs on to the community; because corporations are subsidized at every turn by their victims—they need not bring in the best.

Cuban thinks they do. High tech needs to be able to “search the world for the best applicants,” he burbled to Fox News host Tucker Carlson.

Yet more crap.

Why doesn’t the president know that the H-1B visa category is not a special visa for highly skilled individuals, but goes mostly to average workers? “Indian business-process outsourcing companies, which predominantly provide technology support to corporate back offices,” by the Economist’s accounting.

Overall, the work done by the H1-B intake does not require independent judgment, critical reasoning or higher-order thinking. “Average workers; ordinary talent doing ordinary work,” attest the experts who’ve been studying this intake for years. The master’s degree is the exception within the H1-B visa category.

More significant: THERE IS a visa category that is reserved exclusively for individuals with extraordinary abilities and achievement. I know, because the principal sponsor in our family received this visa. I first wrote about the visa that doesn’t displace ordinary Americans in … 2008:

It’s the O-1 visa.

“Extraordinary ability in the fields of science, education, business or athletics,” states the Department of Homeland Security, “means a level of expertise indicating that the person is one of the small percentage who has risen to the very top of the field of endeavor.”

Most significant: There is no cap on the number of O-1 visa entrants allowed. Access to this limited pool of talent is unlimited.

My point vis-à-vis the O-1 visa is this: The H-1B hogs are forever claiming that they are desperate for talent. In reality, they have unlimited access to individuals with unique abilities through the open-ended O-1 visa program.

There is no limit to the number of geniuses American companies can import.

Theoretically, the H-1B program could be completely abolished and all needed Einsteins imported through the O-1 program. (Why, even future first ladies would stand a chance under the business category of the O-1A visa, as a wealth-generating supermodel could certainly qualify.)

Now you understand my disappointment. In his April 18 Executive Order, President Trump promised to merely reform a program that needs abolishing. That is if “Hire American” means anything to anybody anymore.

ILANA Mercer is the author of The Trump Revolution: The Donald’s Creative Destruction Deconstructed (June, 2016) & Into the Cannibal’s Pot: Lessons for America From Post-Apartheid South Africa(2011). Follow her on Twitter & Facebook. Subscribe to ilana’s YouTube channel.

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  1. Great article, Ilana, and I hope you read this comment of mine from a month back when I explained to you that the bigger supply of computer people and of engineers from this program brings down overall wages in these fields (and I agree completely about higher housing costs and other costs externalized to the taxpayers of Seattle and WA state, in your example).

    BTW, don’t push the o-1 visa thing either. Anything that CAN be abused WILL be abused. How about just an LSM-1* visa only and lets call it a day.

    * LSM-1 is the Leggy SuperModel visa.

  2. J1234 says:

    Another good article by Illana. The Bill of Rights is filled with protections that came about because of abuses by a British Crown that believed it could conceal it’s true motives through pretext.
    Immigration policy as it stands to day is essentially a mountainous monstrous monument to pretext – it’s almost entirely about changing the demographic and political makeup of the country through the guise of “economics” and “business.” Trying to accomplish those goals transparently would be deemed as unconstitutional, illegal and immoral, because they are.

    This pretext reveals an arrogance of power that hasn’t been seen in a long time. It lead to a revolution once. Will it happen again?

    There is no limit to the number of geniuses American companies can import

    Yeah, and keep in mind, Ta-nehisi Coates is a “genius.”

  3. “The master’s degree is the exception within the H1-B visa category.”

    In most cases, the “masters degree” of a foreign applicant is the purchased product of a barely accredited degree mill.

    As an engineer, I spent a lot of time re-writing the “self-documenting” spaghetti code H1B programming”geniuses” generated. Then I was pushed out of engineering by a cheaper H1B candidate (don’t know how he got the appropriate clearance, but that is another story), but fortunately pushed into Wall Street as a quant, where real skills were the currency of business, unlike BPOs which are merely filling seats to generate more contractual fees from Big Brother and Big Biz in the styx.

    What is truly funny is to come back to the US and to see the gang-planks lined with wheelchairs for the dozens of South-Asian parents and grandparents who are being brought into the US to take advantage of US medical care and concommitant subsidies from taxpayers. The original labour may be cheaper than home grown, but the externalities make “cheap” foreign workers some of the most expensive in the land (or world for that matter).

  4. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @The Alarmist

    What is truly funny is to come back to the US and to see the gang-planks lined with
    wheelchairs for the dozens of South-Asian parents and grandparents who are being brought into the US to take advantage of US medical care and concommitant subsidies from taxpayers. The original labour may be cheaper than home grown, but the externalities make “cheap” foreign workers some of the most expensive in the land (or world for that matter).

    As Ilana said, they’re cheap for business, but expensive for taxpayers.

    • Replies: @dcite
  5. foo4c says:

    (((Ilana))) says:

    “At least one million additional immigrants a year, including recipients of the H-1B visa”

    (((Classic misdirection))). 1 million, OMG ! Except the entire size of H1-B is 85,000/year. Where does the 1 million come from ?

    “Take Seattle and its surrounding counties. Between April 2015 and 2016, the area was inundated with “86,320 new residents, marking it the region’s biggest population gains this century.”

    (((Classic misdirection))). Just Seattle “Inundated” by more immigrants the entire size of the H1-B visa program ?

    “Moreover, chain migration or family unification means every H-1B visa recruit is a ticket for an entire tribe.”

    Ah right, the focus on the (((tribe))) slips through.

    Which in *this* case happens to be more often than not, Aryan. H1-B really should be expanded to 10x it’s current size (more Aryans never hurts) and the 200x illegal immigrants deported. Including many from Ilana’s (((actual tribe)))

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  6. Dan Hayes says:


    Thank you for perceptively discussing this festering problem.

    For those wishing further detailed discussion, feel free to consult Norm Matloff where he provides exhaustive details on the functioning of the H-1B Program and how its purpose is to provide cheap, immobile, de facto indentured labor!

    The tragedy of these programs is that it prevents native born Americans from entering STEM fields.

    • Agree: Mark Presco, Realist
  7. jim jones says:
    @The Alarmist

    Politicians love to push the costs of immigration onto society as a whole.

  8. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The US of A would do well to abolish all methods of importing cheap labour, and only hiring locally, so as to keep its wealth all to itself.

    Well, as long as it keeps its m*r-f*g greedy mitts off other nations and whatever meagre wealth they may have.

    Also, if those third-worlders wish to ditch the m*r-f*g \$, they should be allowed to.

    How’s that for a deal? Hmm?

    Yeah, I know, not gonna to happen.

  9. Thanks for great article.
    Nobody will become President looking after America and Americans first.
    White Obama used it to fool and defraud the voters just like the nobelized one before him.

  10. Well done Ilana! Yes, STOP the whole damned thing. If allowed to survive, it will always be a way for corporate America to shaft the American worker. It’s not enough that our economy has stagnated such that we’ve not had a real pay raise since 1973?? If corporate America wants access to ‘workers’ in some other part of the world, let them personally revoke their passport and move their life and their company there. Ungrateful bstrds.

    I say don’t stop with H-1B and let’s not discriminate. How about a full moratorium on all immigration for a modest trial period, say 50 years. We need a friggin time out from the invasion, time to deport illegals, and also try some assimilation (death to diversity). Immigration is an outdated concept that stopped having any value to the American people about 100 years ago.

  11. Anonymous [AKA "What a long strange trip..."] says:

    If we don’t export the job, we import the slave labor to do it.

    • Replies: @Jake
  12. KenH says:

    (((Mark Cuban))) gets a few Pinocchios for claiming (on the Tucker Carlson Show) that if America doesn’t hire Indian H1B’s that they take their irreplaceable skills and work for the competition of Microsoft, Google and others. This is a bald faced lie since there is no equivalent of Microsoft and Google in India, nor do you have large technology enterprises there that compete directly with any American companies.

    Cuban, Bill Gates and others keep spreading the lie that there’s a shortage of qualified workers and that the H1B visa racket is critical to American competitiveness. They just want a labor oversupply in technology fields since that drives down wages and benefits. Both illegal and legal immigration combined with “free trade” has already crashed the wage scale for most working class jobs that still remain in this nation.

  13. Counselor Troi(the resemblance is there…but of course you are several orders of magnitude more BEAUTIFULL!!!)


    Great Post!!!

    If California secedes you can be sure that the H1B-L1B Visa Chinese-Hindu Legal Immigrants will be the wave-front of this movement. The H1B…L1 B Visa Program…and Chinese-Hindu-Korean-Iranian Legal Immigrants, and their California born nonwhite respective genelines enthusiastically voted The Historic Native White American California Majority into a racial minority within California borders.

    The California Secessionist movement is led by a multimillionare Iranian Foriegner.

    The technological…education…Living and Breeding Space resources of California are now owned by post-1965 nonwhites.

    And this gets right to the heart of mendacity of Trump’s MAGA!!! jobs progoam:creating high paying middle class jobs for majority nonwhite China-India-Iran California…..Who cares? I don’t….

    MAGA!!! was always a lie…the jobs were already here for The Historic Native Born White American Majority….The were given to the Chinese…Hindu…Korean…Pakistani….Iranian genelines in post-white toilet California.

    • Replies: @Maxim Amplikov
  14. H1-B: simply one more piece of evidence the US is an Oligarchy not a Democracy. Nothing about this visa is in the interests of 99% of citizens.
    Smash the infamy ?

  15. mp says:

    Domestically, the fascistic partnership with the State amounts to a subsidy to business at the expense of the taxpayer…

    Real fascism was supportive of the real organic nation. Anymore, people use the word fascism just to signify whatever in politics they don’t like.

  16. dcite says:

    I know an Irish lady who became an American citizen, so she was very aware of what “immigrants” are doing with our social welfare system, of which the Irish lady never took advantage. She and her policeman husband did just fine without it. Her American-born daughter worked in a pharmacy and knew of a family of south Asian Indians who were doing just great too. Drove expensive cars, lived in big houses, and drew extensive welfare, paying only pennies for expensive medications. The old lady was one of the nastiest and most demanding (well, she was a sociopath) of pharmacy customers, paying next to nothing for her medication.
    The American government is as much a criminal as they are for getting us into this in the first place. Those “south Asians” were only a few of many who do the same thing; many nationalities are guilty/

  17. (more Aryans never hurts)

    Honestly, I would put the German immigrants from the 1840 and all their descendants on the list to be deported along with the Irish, Asians, and other disreputable types. The Germans and Irish destroyed the nation left to us by the Founders. Instead we have this rotten multi-cultural empire.

    • Replies: @neutral
    , @Wally
    , @Daniel Chieh
  18. Jake says:

    All praise to Ilana Mercer for this excellent article. Our Elites today are the evil coal mine owners who preferred to bring in foreigners who would be little more than bond servants for years than to pay Americans a halfway decent wage.

  19. Jake says:

    That’s how they make virtual serfs of us.

  20. TG says:

    Well said. yes let’s abolish the H1B visa it has no point. Out of over 300 million Americans and counting we have more than enough geniuses than we will ever need. We need to open opportunities to the geniuses we have, not allow our elites to hire cheap foreign labor.

    And in the long run remember that people like Einstein don’t move to places like Bangladesh. If we continue to make America more crowded and poorer, we will actually start to lose the ability to attract the very best. I mean, suppose a university hired every applicant, and then split up limited salary money and office space amongst an ever growing number of employees? Soon that university would be a mess, and the best would avoid it like the plague…

    Oh, and BTW there is NO cap on the H1B visa. Check out the wikipedia page. That’s because there are so many exempted categories. New H1B visas are approaching 200,000 per year, that doesn’t even count renewals. The 85,000 per year meme is a lie. And their spouses also get to work. And eventually they get to bring in their entire extended families etc.

    And as far as the O1 visa being a panacea, I hear you, but disagree. There is nothing to prevent someone from claiming that an ordinary (for example) truck driver is an irreplaceable genius that our nation just can’t do without.

  21. anon • Disclaimer says:

    H1B visa are an absolute joke for additional reasons that the author doesn’t mention. Among these are:

    1. Yes, H1b visa holders are invariably paid less than their American counterparts but by how much? This disparity seems to runs in the \$25-\$50K per year range. Needless to say, this provides quite an incentive for any employer to use them.

    2. H1B visa holder often bring their wives who are legally forbidden to work but invariably do so anyway. They work off the books and are paid under the table while doing things ranging from waitress-ing in restaurants and babysitting to even skilled at at home nursing for the more educated ones. Some of these brighter and better educated wives are even doing computer programming at home, often at a very high level. The money they earn doing this is again paid either under the table or to their husbands in the form of mysterious “bonuses” as a cover.

    3. H1B visa holders are often paid part of their salaries offshore in places like India for work done in the USA and therefore this money is not subject to American income tax.

    4. And should I mention the relatives? It seems like all sorts of relatives suddenly make an appearance after the H1B visa holder takes up residency in the US. Elderly mothers and grandmothers start appearing, usually as no cost babysitters so the wives of the H1B visa holders with children can work illegally outside the home. Cousins and other kinfolk also start popping up like weeds, usually on vacation or student visas. These are the people often seen serving you or cooking for you in Indian or other Asian restaurants. They live with the H1B visa holder in often tremendously overcrowded apartments. Somehow, these additional “visitors” also seem to be eventually be able to manage to get free government health care and other welfare benefits. Once their visas expire they remain and simply vanish into the general populations of illegal aliens. They even remain after the the original H1B visa holder is forced to leave the country after his H1B visa expires.

    All in all, H1B visas are so susceptible to fraud and abuse that their availability should be ended immediately..

  22. FLgeezer says:
    @The Alarmist

    I experienced that same injustice Alarmist. There is an all out war on native-born and educated American engineers, especially those of a Caucasian hue. And American engineering schools are populated by third world professors and “students”.

  23. @foo4c

    Bullcrap. What people have been trying to explain, at least on VDare, is that many of the other immigrant visas that are part of the 1,000,000 or so are related to immigrants on H-1B, or what have you, via family reunification. All it takes is one foot in the door, even if you do have to be a 60 hr/wk. indentured servant for Mr. Gates or Mr. Bezos for a few years. It’s another scam, and formerly pretty-decent computer jobs are not available for Americans at pay-levels that can support a family (especially once the real estate gets out-of-sight).

    Ilana is not always right, as I pointed out in my comment (1st one here, yea, Achmed!) via the link to a previous comment of mine. However, there is nothing incorrect in this article. Eliminate H-1B, O-1, all of them, as Mr. Turgidson (comment #10 below) says. If we have to lose the Leggy SuperModel visa in the process, so be it. They don’t give me the time of day anyway.

    • Replies: @foo4c
  24. EugeneGur says:

    I wonder if people here advocating of the abolishment of H1 visa realize what would become of the fabled American universities if this happens. I’ll tell you – they will slowly empty out. They will be no one to teach the students or do research, and the famous American science will soon become a thing of the past. Without the import of skilled foreign workers science is unsustainable, and the university education, already hideously expensive, would become even more so.

    The imported workers are not geniuses, of course, and oftentimes they aren’t even fully qualified. But they do want to work in science or teach for the salary offered, whereas the Americans prefer do other things. The government spends money to train American citizens to do science, and then they go elsewhere in search of a better life. Foreigners, on they other hand, receive education in their home countries at someone else’s expense, and they come here to do the job the Americans do not want. As simple as that.

    Given a chance, any university employer would prefer to hire a citizen, since they have many advantages over foreigners: visas cost money; visa applications cause delays; people cannot travel outside of the US without re-applying for the visa, so even a trip to attend a scientific conference becomes impossible; spouses on H4 (dependent for H1) are restricted in their ability to work; citizens are eligible for various grants and fellowships; not to mention all sorts of language and cultural barriers. There aren’t just many available, that’s all.

    So, getting rid of H1 vis or even severely restricting it would be catastrophic for this country. I know what I am talking about and not out of Wikipedia.

  25. neutral says:
    @Chris Mallory

    The Germans and Irish destroyed the nation left to us by the Founders. Instead we have this rotten multi-cultural empire.

    Strange how you have left out the most suspect (((group))) of them all.

    • Replies: @E. Rekshun
  26. Mark Presco says: • Website

    Oh my, however did we manage before we were saved by the brown invasion. We built this incredibly desirable country without their help, and we can maintain it without them.

    Perhaps these indispensable people are needed in their own countries so that the third world cesspools they are fleeing will become first world countries. That they have turned their backs on their less fortunate relatives, in order to improve their quality of life here shows what self-serving scum they are. This is proven by their assertion that we have an obligations to afford them a shot at the America dream, while they shirk the responsibility to turn their countries into first world countries and improve the quality of life for their people. Until they do this, they victimize the world by not becoming fully contributing partners of the “International Community.”

    We of the Alt-Right have been appalled at how our institutions of higher learning have been turned into useless, corrupt, taxpayer scamming, lefty snowflake bastions of ineptitude. You just showed us many reasons why.

  27. foo4c says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    “Bullcrap. What people have been trying to explain, at least on VDare”

    You read VDare yet *don’t* want a few more Hindu (ie Aryan) people ? The mind boggles at the doublethink.

    Even Bill Pierce of the National Alliance prominently featured a Hindu Sari Clad woman (Savitri Devi) and sold her books on their main website! What sort of alt-right organization does *not* want more people whose only holy symbols are the Swastika (in literally all their temples and in all their houses.), and Laltika (red dot), whose holy books are the (v)Eddas and who the the very definition of Indo-European people, languages and cultures. (“Indo” means India).

    These aren’t Mexicans, Chinese or Africans you are talking about. The sum total of all H1-B immigration (including the vanishingly miniscule “family reunification”) are statistical noise, compared to Mexicans or even Africans/Somalis.

    What you should be truly concerned about is the offshoring/outsourcing of jobs, especially to China, which has *decimated* 25+ million manufacturing jobs and entire communities in the past 20 years.

    As far as *any* immigration goes (if there is any immigration), Indo-Europeans are literally the *only* sort of people who should be coming in.

  28. neutral says:

    Those brown Hindus from India are not Aryan, the miscegenation of the dark skinned earlier inhabitants with the later arrival of the Aryans means that there are no racially Aryan people left in India. Even those light skinned Bollywood types with blue eyes (probably fake) do not count as Aryan.

    • Replies: @foo4c
  29. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “I wonder if people here advocating of the abolishment of H1 visa realize what would become of the fabled American universities if this happens. I’ll tell you – they will slowly empty out.”

    Good. Concern trolls notwithstanding.

  30. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “So, getting rid of H1 vis or even severely restricting it would be catastrophic for this country.”

    If this is the type of thinking that the H1 leads too, we _really_ need to get rid of it as fast as possible.

  31. The H-1B Visa Racket Should be Abolished

    Immediately, and all foreign residents who are products of the H1B program should be forcibly returned to their country of origin, including all their 14th Amendment citizen offspring.

    And the perpetrators of this horrendous anti-American, America-destroying boondoggle should be hanged summarily.

  32. @neutral

    The Germans and Irish destroyed the nation left to us by the Founders. Instead we have this rotten multi-cultural empire.

    Strange how you have left out the most suspect (((group))) of them all.

    Well, there’e never been a (type of person) in the White House, so we should blame our Irish liberals (Kennedys, Reagan) and WASPS (GHWB, GWB) for our predicament. And, prior to 2009, they and Clinton appointed every (federal & Supreme Court Justice)!

    My great grand parents on my Mother’s side came from Ireland in 1900; and on my Dad’s side from France in 1900. So, boo on them.

  33. @foo4c

    These aren’t Mexicans, Chinese or Africans you are talking about. The sum total of all H1-B immigration (including the vanishingly miniscule “family reunification”) are statistical noise, compared to Mexicans or even Africans/Somalis.

    The Mexicans are not part of the 1,000,000 LEGAL immigration number, Mr. Foo*. The Somalis and Africans are too large a number, even at 1 guy per year. You have no idea of the “family reunification” numbers – they are a big part of the numbers for any nationality or group from which a bunch of people have come already. How can you dispute that without knowing a damn thing? I’ve been a VDare reader for more than a decade.

    Decimated” means destroying 1 in 10. I don’t think it’s anywhere near 1 in 10. It’s more like 1 in 3, or 1 in 2! Outsourcing is a loss of many jobs, but you don’t fix a hole by getting a different kind of shovel to help out.

    Your vocabulary needs work – I don’t think your version Aryan (I understand the roots) means what most people think, as Mr. reason said in his reply to you. I’m guessing you are . – Indian yourself based on your defense of the H-1B visa scam, and I don’t have any particular dislike of (.) – Indians. I just think we have more than enough people, and now computer jobs aren’t so good a living for Americans, even though the Tycoons are making a killing off of crappy operating systems. I don’t think the (.) – Indians are particularly good programmers either, but I say that as someone who is not in the bidness anymore.

    * Also, a lot more Chinese people than people know are illegal. Look around at the Chinese restaurant – quite a few of those girls and guys are illegal.

  34. Let’s see! They are not Aryans, they from whom not only the word Arya originates but whose millennia-old benign sacred religious was first coopted and then turned into the most hated symbol by Herr Hitler and his band of white thugs, just to settle old scores with their money lenders; Judaism permeates Christianity far more than Aryanism and maybe, just maybe the whites aren’t really Aryans but hidden members of the Tribe… of the lost one!

    • Replies: @foo4c
  35. @EugeneGur

    I can forgive this ludicrous comment if you are a young guy as you haven’t seen anything different. Go back to the 1980’s and your comment is complete garbage. If you are old enough to know better, why are you spreading these lies?

    Otherwise, what Mark Presco said.

  36. The authoress, a chain immigration beneficiary, is now curiously advocating abolishment of it…

    • Replies: @Escher
  37. edNels says:

    Great article emphasizing another big and key part of the disintegration of the USA.

    So many so called “Corporations” false fronts to hide the identity of the principles who may or may not even be Americans. As: Who does really own and oporate this or that Corp? In a Globalized/financialized hodgepodge post industrial world

    Some of what they do, may be ok, but much is grift. And to the point, selling American residence through Visa scams is one that is pretty clever. Instead of trying to buy or bribe foreign mucky mucks with depleted funny money etc. the new currency has become immigration slots or chits that those foreign potentates or fixers such as are found in the third world who need to chime in on different prospective deals and projects, and etc. can be coxed even more by the option of a chance to send off a bunch of their people/ relatives to the ”Land of milk and honey… (A better Life”). To both those who one would like to see Gone, and maybe, some who are just tolerated second cousins.

    I wouldn’t even be surprised if there is a Futures market in Visa slots, third parties selling ’em back and forth, like other things… ecology mediations, carbon use certificates or what…?

    Of course the Dumb ass/ clueless, (hamstrung) Americans will foot the bill!

    Oh, but the wonderful Diversity! Such a Deal!

  38. anarchyst says:

    Not only are H-1b visa holders paid less, they and their employers are not required to pay FICA (Social Security and Medicare) taxes. This, in itself is a large savings for the employer as there is an employer “match” on the Social Security portion of FICA taxes that H-1b visa holders do not pay into…

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  39. the program would never be gone because it is part of the “brain drain.” how else are we going to come up with smart people?

    • Replies: @Mark Presco
  40. Kudos for the comment that suggests this country will have more than a few problems if H1-Bs leave. Uncomfortable as it sounds, they are a major support column for entire industries. Pull that away and the whole shebang collapses into it’s own footprint. Corporations come and go as they please. They move money at the speed of light, it’s the white infidel and his co-worker, the wetback who have to obey the rules the corporate tyranny forced upon them about where they can go, moreover who they can work for.

    Consider the impact of a ban on the foreigners: IT departments from your local utility to your neighborhood bank, defense contractors, manufacturers – all of these venerable institutions have taken the race to the bottom approach – they have sourced or supplemented with the best bang for the buck. Conservaive propagandists have insisted (for 40 years)that paying market wages is downright communsit. Both political parties are on the same page here, don’t be fooled. The Orange Realtor is pretending the workin’ man matters all of sudden.

    Bullshit. The entire conservative pedagogy, featuring fairy tales of the free market, superior breeding, Ayn Rand, stoicism, boot strap pulling and the sloth of the natives has been sold and bought by the average American idiot, while the middle class has been crushed. Gates, Bezos, Koch, Immelt, Blankfein, Schmidt, countless welfare recipients you’ve never heard of – have destroyed labor in this country.

    They even changed the definition of free market, which leads us to read blather like this from a psuedo-libertarian on a rich man’s blog. Deeply authoritarian – by the way. I suppose “the Government” is going to have to make sure workers are treated fairly? Doesn’t that get in the way of the cherished freedom of preying on, playing immigrants and the natives off each other and generally swindling people?

    But who else is going to give the alt-right their lusted for version of a punishment society? Trump loves the cops. Corporations love ’em too, as much as they do the Government they own, the laws they write, and the guns they control.

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Mark Presco
  41. Wally says:
    @Chris Mallory

    Please tell us how exactly “the Germans and Irish destroyed the nation left to us by the Founders.”

    This should be good considering that Germans & Irish were quite numerous and well established at the time of the Founder’s Declaration of Independence.

    You revealingly left out Jews?

  42. Wally says:

    you said:

    “Uncomfortable as it sounds, they are a major support column for entire industries. Pull that away and the whole shebang collapses into it’s own footprint.”

    Laughable left wing nonsense that you cannot back up.

    I suggest you actually read Mercer’s article.

  43. Mark Presco says: • Website

    Unfortunately, I can’t understand most of what you wrote. I do get the part that if it is not insourced, then it will be outsourced.

    If the job is lost to cheap third world labor, then better outsourced, than becoming minorities in a third world country. You should have also read the comments that along with the worker comes an extended family. I buy argument that this is a net burden to taxpayers for generations.

    In the case of manufacturing, there will be a crossing point when the overseas labor costs do not counterbalance the shipping costs. When the robots take over, increasing the unemployable population will exacerbate the problem.

    As for high tech, I have worked in the industry all of my life and have been extremely underwhelmed by the capabilities of third world engineers. I prefer to take my chances with higher skilled and innovative white men. We created the whole damn thing and we can solve the problems going forward.

  44. Mark Presco says: • Website
    @Astuteobservor II

    the program would never be gone because it is part of the “brain drain.” how else are we going to come up with smart people?

    Well I see your point if you are a typical example of American intelligence.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  45. Biff says:

    Moreover, chain migration or family unification means every H-1B visa recruit is a ticket for an entire tribe. The initial entrant—the meal ticket—will pay his way.

    Immigration lawyer you are not. This is not legal in any way, and family members would simply be banned from entry.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  46. @Mark Presco

    I don’t think you can see any points even when they hit you in the face :)))

  47. “search the world for the best applicants,”



    you lying piece of fucking shit.

  48. @Biff

    Not at the same time, Biff. You obviously don’t know much about this subject. Read VDare for a few years and get back to me.

  49. Mokiki says:

    Why are you opposed to Tamil immigration?

  50. So here’s the thing:

    If there was an executive for one of the companies mentioned who really wanted to play 3-D chess and trip up the only hope for a meaningful political resistance of the offshoring of American jobs –
    which is what they really care about by the way because that’s where all the short-term profits-on-paper stockholder-equity-on-paper come from … and they had to come up with a strategy to do it:

    Ginning up “H1-B visas bad bad bad” … would be the way to do it.

    Get the adversary to spend his punch and exhaust himself on something nearly completely without effect.

    That, by the way, is how they play.
    Zero out H1-Bs tomorrow (or better yet trickle it down and spend the opposition energy year on year on year) and the outshoring of jobs overseas, if anything, will only speed up.

    Who paid you for this Illana? Any of the three companies you listed?

    • Troll: utu
  51. People who actually work at American operations of Microsoft and Intel, the two primary American culprits that Mercer mentions in her piece, are not concerned about losing their jobs to H-1Bs.

    This includes foreign employees on regular green cards as well as immigrant citizens. Furthermore – most would probably laugh at the suggestion that American applicants aren’t getting jobs there because of H-1B competition (often for the very reasons Mercer notes: they aren’t much for competition).

    American applicants don’t get jobs: because they systematically don’t hire in the United States in the first place.

    And don’t take my word for it. These companies have offices all over. Drive over Monday morning, do a poll of employees entering the office. I dare you, do it. Before you tell me I’m wrong go right up and ask them.

    No: what they are worried about is the inevitable yearly announcement of additional head count cuts, together with increases in overseas employment, and the probability of a great overseas assignment for 3 months where they get to train their replacement, before they get the ax.

    And that’s just rank-and-file. The ones thinking a chess move ahead are also worried about idiots who can’t form a viable political opposition, because they think H1-Bs are a problem.

    • Replies: @Numinous
  52. Great article by Ilana Mercer. Her disappointment with Trump is shared by millions. I used to live in Sunnyvale, and had I known about the O-1 Visa then, I could have had great fun talking to the Indians at India Cash & Carry! At that time I thought they were all Ramanujan-type geniuses…

    Oh well. Better to learn these things late than never. I’m going to subscribe to Ms. Mercer’s You Tube channel.

  53. @War for Blair Mountain

    Your strangely punctuated comment reveals an ignorance of the actual conditions in California. It sounds like someone reacting to stereotypes perpetuated by TV and Breitbart. No doubt you will reply that you lived in California for years but left in disgust. It doesn’t sound like it to me. If you were a Californian you would have at least mentioned the State of Jefferson movement and Orange County, to give two examples.

  54. Mikel says:

    Even though I am an H1-b myself and I anticipated problems at a personal level if Trump won the elections, I couldn’t help being glad when I learned that he had unexpectedly won. One of the reasons why I liked his agenda was in fact his position on immigration. I don’t think that there is any other country undergoing such a demographic experiment as the USA and receiving such a huge influx of illegal immigrants. I very well understand the desire to put an end to all this.

    With that being said, it is sad to see so many commenters repeating false assertions about the H1-b program. The H1-b cap is 65,000 per year. I very recently filed my federal and state tax forms (like any other legal employee in this country). I don’t remember how much I paid in taxes and social security last year but it definitely was a hefty amount, with my salary being 110,000 (you be the judge if I’m being underpaid for an IT senior technical support position).

    I really don’t know if my wife and I would ever be allowed to bring our “tribe” to this country but that would not possible because they wouldn’t have much interest. They are doing very well back at home in Europe, thank you very much.

    Paradoxically, the reason why I was offered a position in the US is because a couple of years ago my company decided to in-source back its support centers to the US and close most of the ones it had around the world for its 24×7 operations. Part of my job is to train new employees (Americans and foreigners). I am not an expert in the H1-b issue but I do know what I see and, at least here, in so-called fly-over America it is very_hard to find American workers with the combination of necessary skills and willingness to take over a very stressful job. Half of the Americans in my team left the job and I don’t expect the rest to last very long.

    A couple more comments:

    In the IT business (the only one I know well) there is absolutely no need to work in one specific location. If the H1-b program is abolished, my company will simply move its support centers back abroad and the Americans it now employs (hundreds if not thousands at a national level) will lose their jobs. Taxes will also be paid abroad.

    I interact with companies using our software products all over the world on a daily basis and the US is by no means the only country that brings in lots of Indian engineers for IT jobs. Most European countries do the same and you even find Indian IT workers in places like Mexico or Chile. That there is a general skills shortage in certain occupations is a certainty for me. I wouldn’t be here is that was not the case.

    Finally, I very well understand that my presence in this country and the terms thereof must be decided by the American people but it would be desirable that they are not misinformed by articles like this one.

    • Replies: @Numinous
    , @MarkinLA
  55. Realist says:

    “It’s the O-1 visa.

    “Extraordinary ability in the fields of science, education, business or athletics,” states the Department of Homeland Security, “means a level of expertise indicating that the person is one of the small percentage who has risen to the very top of the field of endeavor.””

    I would restrict immigration to those:

    With an IQ of 130 or greater.

    With a requirement that they be involved in a STEM endeavor.

    And have no desire to harm the US.

    But I would except the O-1 visa as the only allowance for immigration.

  56. Radek says:

    OMG! A serial immigrant ranting about H1-B visa? Wow! It appears Mercer has provided ‘alternative facts’ about her background. After reading about (the endlessly recycled) arguments, I did a quick internet search. Mercer’s spouse is a failed musician and yes he does have a PhD in electrical engineering. But heck, PhDs in engineering are ten a dime nowadays and moreover, with virtually everything hardware wise now being made in China (and most software developed in India) an electrical engineering doctorate will not result in the granting of an O-1 visa and this has been the case for some time. O-1 visas are for geniuses and people who are able to generate a great amount of wealth for the host country and that’s why the beneficiaries include sports and media stars and yes, successful supermodels. No one else qualifies. I have a research degree in electronic engineering but I wouldn’t dream of classifying myself as a genius. Moreover, I had to change career because there are limited opportunities for engineers in post industrial America. It appears Mercer and her family took advantage of the country’s liberal immigration policy and pushed into USA from the Canadian end of the border and more likely her spouse is a H1-B visa recipient.

    I do not know much about Mercer except that she holds unpleasant extremist views and despite her middle eastern background hangs around with white supremacists. One hopes that at least she is not a hypocrite and when immigration laws are eventually significantly tightened she will self deport and take the first banana boat back to her country South Africa. Whether Trump’s dysfunctional one term presidency is going to do anything to tighten immigration procedures is another matter altogether.

    • Replies: @Igor Bundy
  57. Escher says:
    @Pachyderm Pachyderma

    Which doesn’t negate her point.
    On a separate note, she hasn’t offered any discernible benefit to her adopted country other than writing such articles.

    • Replies: @Pachyderm Pachyderma
  58. Anonymous [AKA "Flipflop1322"] says:

    Great article. All visa’s should be abolished. However, if Trump tries to stop this he will be liquidated. Too little, too late.

  59. Ludwig says:

    At least one factoid, Mercer gets wrong is the statement that H-1Bs get free usage of US services. The fact is that H-1Bs are taxed like US citizens including social security and Medicare neither of which they are eligible for (i.e. they contribute to a fund that they themselves are ineligible for using unless they gain citizenship which is a whole different proposition.)

    • Replies: @Numinous
  60. Numinous says:

    Most of the white guys who work at Microsoft (and they are mostly “guys”) are Eastern European, at least the rank-and-file engineers. A sizeable cohort of managers tend to be local white guys who get promoted to manager because the have (obviously) better verbal skills (and some social, good old boy, skills.) I say this as someone who worked briefly there. The place is like a veritable United Nations of programmers. As for quality, there is none lacking in the rank-and-file. Most of the managers are idiots, suck-ups, pusillanimous, or short-sighted. Which is probably why Microsoft fell from grace.

  61. Numinous says:

    You have to accept though that “I was fired after being forced to train my replacement” has great emotional salience in the US (as it would in any country.) What I am not sure of is how representative that phenomenon is. No one ever provides numbers (I’m not sure why it’s so hard to get them), so this has become a purely political issue; the pro-side (basically, industrialists and immigration lawyers) insists that H1Bs are a boon to the country without which it would collapse, and the anti-side (out-of-work programmers and the entire alt-right) insists that H1Bs are the reason the country is collapsing.

    The Indian IT services companies do abuse the law and the process to the hilt though (60 years of a hostile anti-market socialist government back home has shaped the culture of Indian companies so), so that gives every foreigner (especially Indians) working in the US software industry a bad name.

  62. Numinous says:

    Americans also believe that a quarter to a third of GDP is spent on foreign aid. Correct answer: about 1%.

  63. MarkinLA says:

    Saying the cap is 65,000 a year is lying by omission because the visa lasts for 3 years and can be renewed for another 3 so there are hundreds of thousands of active visas right now. Then some get sponsorship for a green card and are off the H-1B visa.

    You salary is not really that high depending on where you are based. I quit working 7 years ago with a salary of 130 K as a “Software Quality Engineer” in a high pay area in medical products (tends to be highly paid as well).

    Many companies have had serious problems with this whole idea of outsourcing their software to foreign countries. They have huge travel budgets, problems with communication, and increased scheduling times because of that.

    • Replies: @Mikel
  64. MarkinLA says:

    My one nit about this article is the attempt to peddle the usual libertarian free-market drivel like this:

    In a true free market, absent the protectionist state, corporate employers would be accountable to the community, and would be wary of the strife and lowered productivity brought about by a multiethnic and multi-linguistic workforce.

    What garbage. She should research the history of coal mining in this country to see how much accountability to the community the coal companies had when they paid their employees in company script only usable at the company store – that was a real true free market.

    The reality is: the freer the labor market is, the more the employer screws his employees. That was the sole purpose of the H-1B visa – to make the market more free by allowing people who weren’t US citizens to be part of it.

    • Replies: @jtgw
  65. @Escher

    Of course, it doesn’t! But consider her position with a grain of salt, given her picking-on largely H1-B beneficiary country of India and at the same time leaving out China which has afflicted ten times as much damage to America with trade deficits and building up dollar reserves to a point whereby buying up iconic Waldorf Astoria is a cakewalk. Americans can still recover from the loss of jobs in the IT sector given the opportunity, but it will never regain its world supremacy or anything close to it, in what was given away to China… Mercer is misleading you with a noose around your neck!

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  66. foo4c says:

    “Those brown Hindus from India are not Aryan, the miscegenation of the dark skinned earlier inhabitants with the later arrival of the Aryans means that there are no racially Aryan people left in India.”

    Lol! That level of clueless-ness is just too funny. I really neeed that bit of a laugh.

    Perhaps you should next claim that it is ‘Iran’ that is Arya or perhaps maybe the Irish (‘Ayre’) ? Or that the holy Swastika is a German word ?

    Those brown Hindus *are* the Aryans. Hinduism is the Aryan religion and the Aryan gods are Hindu gods. (Arya is what Hindus call themselves). No other religion or people anywhere in the world have ever called themselves Arya and even the Iranians (zoraster) used Gods what were considered Devils in Aryan religion (so Iranians were the exact opposite).

    The earlier inhabitants of India from over 5000-10,000 years ago (like in Mohen-je-daro, similar to other proto-humans in Europe) were all decimated and Aryan lore (specifically in the Eddas) is all about this conquest/killing.

    I bet you coudn’t even *name* a single Aryan tribe, let alone the 400 or so different ones in India today. The Swastika is the only holy symbol of Hinduism and are present in every single house, festival, ornament and temple in India..*today*. That ‘om’ symbol ? That’s a sound syllable, not a symbol.

  67. foo4c says:
    @Pachyderm Pachyderma

    “whose millennia-old benign sacred religious was first coopted and then turned into the most hated symbol by Herr Hitler and his band of white thugs”

    Pachyderm, I know/agree with the point you are trying to make but you are simply wrong to say that the holy Swastika is a hated symbol. That’s like saying the christian cross is a hated symbol. A billion chrisitians will diasgree and simply laugh at you if you say that.

    The Swastika (from the beginning of time till *today*) is the *only* holy symbol of Hinduism, Jainism and Buddhism. (om is a syllable representing sound, not a symbol). There are swastikas on every brick that comes off brick factories used to make houses in India. Not to mention, all temples, festivals, celebrations, marriages, prayer mats, anything holy or decorative in any capacity. There are more swastikas in a square mile in Delhi that are Chrisitian crosses in the Vatican.

    It’s not a hated symbol, it’s the only holy religious symbol of a Billion Hindus.

  68. MarkinLA says:
    @Pachyderm Pachyderma

    Remember Japan. They were going to buy up the world and it all came crashing down – right after they bought the Rockefeller Center.

    Real wealth isn’t pieces of paper with numbers on them. All those Chinese dollars could disappear in an instant so the Chinese are a lot like that saying about the banker:

    If you owe the banker 100,000 dollars he owns you, if you owe the bank 100 million dollars, you own the banker.

    Still I get your point – we should be self sufficient and could be if we had the political will.

    • Replies: @Pachyderm Pachyderma
  69. @anarchyst

    “they and their employers are not required to pay FICA (Social Security and Medicare) taxes.”

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  70. anarchyst says:
    @Bill Jones

    Check your sources. I personally have seen the pay stubs of H1-b visa holders. NO FICA is deducted from their paychecks…

  71. Numinous says:

    You are wrong or lying. I used to be on OPT and H1B, and my W2s indicate FICA taxes being deducted. It’s mandatory.

    • Replies: @Mikel
  72. MarkinLA says:

    Are you sure they were H-1Bs or this other shaft to American workers that Obama wanted to extend to 3 years. This one definitely doesn’t pay FICA taxes.

  73. Mikel says:

    Saying the cap is 65,000 a year is lying by omission

    By omission or not, saying that someone is lying is best avoided when lacking any evidence to back up such accusation. Somebody above said that this figure is 200,000, which is demonstrably false, but I’m quite confident that even that person was not lying. Most likely he was just confusing number of petitions with number of visas actually granted.

    And the rest of your paragraph doesn’t make much sense. The number of new H1-bs each year is 65,000, period. It shouldn’t be difficult to realize that the number of renewals, withdrawals or changes of status is a different matter from the cap itself.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  74. Mikel says:

    my W2s indicate FICA taxes being deducted. It’s mandatory.

    So do mine. Regretfully, it looks like a number of urban myths are taking hold in the alt-right sphere and likely among ordinary citizens as well. The H1-b program (and the rest of the letter soup) should probably undergo a deep reform but you can’t really improve things based on totally incorrect facts.

    In the meantime, unknown millions of illegal immigrants with a disproportionate tendency to engage in felony and crime roam the country.

  75. MarkinLA says:

    I apologize for saying you were lying. However, saying the cap is 65,000 a year does not in any way indicate that it is obvious there are more than 65,000 active. It can be read as there are only 65,000 active visas a year.

    This is what you said:

    The H1-b cap is 65,000 per year. You said nothing about a cumulative total.

    • Replies: @Mikel
  76. Mikel says:

    Thank you. Yes, there certainly are many more H-1bs active than the annual cap. And, for overall immigration policy purposes, one should also consider the L1s, their spouses and minor children, plus those who manage to transition to greencard or citizenship. I read somewhere that there are around 1 million H1b + L1 visa holders. Unfortunately, this figure could be as exaggerated as any of the ones offered in the comments above.

    In any case, it looks like most companies are already stopping to offer H1-b sponsorship, due to the regulatory uncertainty. I guess that many foreigners that would normally have been eligible must have lost interest as well for the same reasons, especially those living in developed countries. You don’t move with your family to a new country where your future is insecure. But a concern (very real in my case) is that these companies may also decide to move their development and support operations abroad, being unable (and/or unwilling) to maintain them here with only native workers. Many skilled Americans would actually lose their jobs. My tech support center in one of the Mountain states is totally non-viable without foreign engineers.

  77. @Chris Mallory

    You earn this Sticker of Certified Purity, sir.

  78. jtgw says:

    Do you have any good references on this subject? I’m looking it up but would be interested to know what you’ve read about it.

    On the surface it certainly does sound exploitative, but I think that’s because we’re assuming the alternative was having the company pay the same number of workers the same or greater value in cash rather than scrip. But if the company were forced to pay in cash and were unable to recoup some of its costs by having its employees buy goods at the company store, then it’s likely the company would employ fewer workers or pay them a lower rate in wages. If you force the company to pay a minimum wage in cash, then you make it even more likely that fewer people will be employed. If you force the company to retain all its workers, then it is unlikely to hire new ones. If you force it to hire new ones or continue to undercut its profit margins in other ways, you will eventually force it to just shut down operations in that area.

    Based on what I’ve read, company towns became obsolete once private automobiles, thanks to capitalist innovation, made it easy for workers to commute, so that they were no longer stuck in one town. Once workers had the power to travel from one town to another, companies that paid in cash could attract more and better workers, making company scrip and company stores unprofitable.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  79. MarkinLA says:

    This is one of the reasons the miners went on a nationwide strike and finally won. I am amazed at your constant attempts to explain away a clearly disadvantageous (from the workers point of view) policies as though they were somehow good and necessary simply because they fit into the dimwit libertarian world view.

    Coal mining didn’t die because they had to pay their employees in cash. The notion that mobility somehow fixed all this is another bizarre invention. People didn’t have much and they certainly didn’t have enough to pick up everything and leave in an era where all the costs of moving would be born by the employee and not the company. People had families to support and with little savings, there is just no place else to go.

    Take my grandfather living in a company owned house probably making just enough to get by comfortably. He wasn’t able to buy a house until he was 50 years old. Now how was somebody like that supporting a wife and 3 kids going to just pick up and move to another town? You are also assuming that these wonderful mine owners won’t collude with each other to hold down the pay and would have gladly offered my grandfather a lot more money to make the move worthwhile.

    Maybe you forgot about that good old mining song – 16 tons.

    • Replies: @jtgw
  80. jtgw says:

    I already checked those sources. 😉

    Here’s a libertarian view of the benefits of the company town for comparison:

    I think we both agree that the situation of the coal miner in the company town being paid in company scrip is probably not our ideal notion of remunerative labor. The questions is: what were the alternatives at the time, and what would have been the costs of trying to impose your ideal arrangement by force? Just as a minimum wage law disadvantages all those whose labor is worth less than the minimum wage, you need to have some idea of the costs of your policy. When you make labor artificially more expensive, those costs don’t just disappear; they get passed on.

    I assume you’re talking about the 1902 strike? I don’t know much about it and am going to research it further. I would caution how you approach it in the same way: what were the costs, both seen and unseen, of that strike, especially with respect to the intervention of the government in its resolution?

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  81. MarkinLA says:

    You do realize that everything this guy says is just his BS opinion without any proof or logic. Take this:

    The company towns were isolated not because the workers couldn’t get out but because few people wanted to live where coal was abundant. As a result, workers had to be enticed to travel to and to live in these towns.

    Look up Wilkes-Barre, PA right in the middle of anthracite coal country. This guy just pulls crap out of his ass.

    Or this:

    Since the mine workers weren’t isolated from the national labor market they had to be paid wages consistent with wages elsewhere and indeed on an hourly basis wages in mining were higher than in manufacturing (not surprising since these jobs were riskier).

    What proof does he actually have other than his assertion? You are talking pre-union days when working people got crap wages no matter where they worked.

    • Replies: @jtgw
  82. @Radek

    The article has a lot of misinformation stated as facts. And than a whole bunch of rants from commentators who have a beef because they feel under privileged. I hope many dont take this seriously and as fact. It would be like killing those sikh people because they wore a head hear that might look like the freedom fighters america supported against the soviets.

    American tax payers generally dont seem to find their tax being spent on bombs to send on humanitarian mission abroad.. Maybe if some of that stayed inside the US, things would look much brighter for the disaffected..

    Never been on an H1 stuff but I seen a few.. I always think they should stay in their own countries and improve it. Not like there is no shortage of engineers in other countries, but they get paid much less. Actually the H1 program harms other countries far more than the US. I totally opposed to any immigration visa’s. O1’s especially.. I would order th KGB to target any O1 looking to emigrate and put them out of our misery. Like that Iranian who developed the B1 stealth and made it all our problem. (hes in jail now BTW)..

  83. jtgw says:

    I read Tabarrok as saying that coal-country was originally underpopulated, so mining companies couldn’t rely on a large labor pool where they wanted to dig; instead, they had to entice workers to come by offering various perks. Of course, Wilkes-Barre is now heavily populated, but that is after people had been enticed to come by the companies.

    I believe he got his information from this book:

    I haven’t read it so I can’t vouch for it, but are you sure you know for a fact that mining wages were on a par or below wages in manufacturing?

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  84. I am not disagreeing with your contention about the revered status of the Svastika in the Vedic faiths; however, I am suggesting that the actions of the Third Reich has given impetus to the rise in viewing the venerated symbol as an abomination, especially, among the Jews.

  85. @MarkinLA

    An Armenian will offer 50 cents to the dollar, an Israeli will offer 25 cents to the dollar, but a Chinese will give 10 cents if you are lucky… And he’ll never part with the property once gotten. Stay tuned!

    P.S. the Japanese are amateurs vis-a-vis the hardcore Chinese.

  86. Heymrguda says:

    Nicely done ms. Mercer.
    For years now folks have been told “get an STEM degree.” But even stem grads are now having trouble finding jobs, from what I understand from my son who is in a doctoral program. As might be expected, his department is saturated with Indian and Chinese immigrants.

    • Replies: @Numinous
  87. MarkinLA says:

    Do you realize that the prairie and frontier towns were even more underpopulated and they didn’t use company scrip? Yet they had the Sears catalog and other catalogs to get hard goods and a general store or two to get everyday items. I bet a town full of hundreds of miners all being paid good wages would have been perfect for some guy to open a shop representing Sears or any other catalog for a small commission – one that Sears would have gladly paid for all the business.

    Think of what goes on in a coal area. The coal has to be routinely taken out via river barge or railroad – meaning empty cargo containers have to enter the town regularly. There is plenty of empty capacity to bring in goods. Oh wait, the wonderful mine owners are selflessly bringing things in for their employees.

    As for wages, my claim isn’t that mining paid less or more than manufacturing only that after the great influx of immigrants prior to 1924, that broke the early union movement, wages for all working people were low. That was the real cause of the Depression – the middle class was broke.

    • Replies: @jtgw
  88. jtgw says:

    People moved to the prairies because land was so cheap while also being so fertile and productive that it was worth the investment. Coal country land was not productive for farmers so people did not have an incentive to live there before coal. People did not move there to dig their own coal because such mining operations required enormous up-front capital investment, which only the capitalist company owners had; farming required much less in the way of capital. So you could move to the prairie and start your own farming business at relatively little cost, but to earn money from coal you would need to seek employment from a company that already had the capital to pay you. And since the coal companies couldn’t just import slaves, they had to entice workers with promises of higher wages or other benefits. That is Tabarrok’s claim anyway. If you want to dispute this, you would need to show that e.g. coal country was already densely populated, meaning that companies would not have to offer such high wages to encourage workers to move.

    Your example of Sears opening up outlets in prairie country also doesn’t really support your anti-market invective, since it was precisely market incentives, not government action, that created those retail opportunities. The logical inference is that market incentives in coal country were different, making it less profitable for independent retailers to open outlets there.

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  89. Numinous says:

    The American students in these “saturated” departments tend to be the first to get hired, and end up with the most job offers and most choices. I’m talking about any grad program that is moderately reputable or higher. Places like MIT, CMU, Stanford, etc. (Ivies are not that prominent in STEM), American grads can literally pick where they want to go.

    Between hiring Americans and foreigners with similar pedigree, companies choose Americans first, always. As it should be. Foreign students end up being more expensive to hire (with all the visa processing), and there’s no guarantee they’ll get selected in the visa lottery. Not to mention Americans with their better (colloquial) English and social skills can be groomed as long-term prospects.

    An American student in these kinds of programs has to be especially clueless or have an especially bad attitude (e.g., having preconceived notions that there is a conspiracy to exclude him/her from the job market in favor of immigrants) to not emerge from these schools into a very decent career.

    So tell your son he has nothing to fear (….but fear itself…..)

  90. MarkinLA says:

    I point out why the idea that not paying in wages was actually more advantageous to the workers (according to this Tabarrok) is bogus and you vector off into nonsense and drivel about “the market”.

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  91. MarkinLA says:

    You keep saying “they had to pay more to get people” as though it is some kind of universal truth because that is what libertarians want to believe. You forget that the mining companies used immigrant labor and were recruiting (or agents for them) in eastern Europe to bring in laborers to undercut American miners the same as the saintly farmer (not necessarily agents but family and friends) does in the US now.

    They didn’t have top pay more, just more than in Poland.

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  92. jtgw says:

    Stop moving the goalposts. This debate began when you tried to knock down Tabarrok by disputing his claim that coal country was underpopulated by pointing to Wilkes Barre. I’m not entirely sure what your point was but I guess you were trying to say that since Wilkes Barre is heavily populated today that somehow utterly refutes Tabarrok’s claim. Well, the point is not whether it is heavily populated now but whether it was heavily populated at the time that the coal companies started mining. The idea is that the coal companies only got people to move to coal country by offering better terms than they could get elsewhere, e.g. as factory workers. Do you think that’s wrong? Fine, but whether or not lots of people live in that country now is irrelevant.

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  93. jtgw says:

    Yes, they had to pay more than the workers could get in Poland. So the Polish workers were better off mining coal in Pennsylvania than in Poland. What’s your point? That they were not as well off as IT workers in Silicon Valley today? I mean, prosperity is not something that can be measured in the absolute; it’s always evaluated relative to something else. Are you saying these workers could have done still better at that time and place? How? With what resources? Where would those resources come from and who would bear the cost?

  94. MarkinLA says:

    No the real point is this idiot making claims that he didn’t prove. He didn’t prove that coal country was any more underpopulated than any place else. Nor did he prove that paying people in company scrip was better for them than paying them in cash. You were the one changing the goal posts to keep these idiotic libertarian fantasties alive in your mind.

    He didn’t do anything but pull libertarian assertions without proof out of his ass.

    Settled in 1769 long before te great wave of coal mining. This is eastern Pennsylvania about a 2 hours drive from New York City. It only took me 3 hours to drive there from Baltimore. Yeah, there was nobody living there before coal.

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  95. jtgw says:

    That page says nothing about the population of Wilkes Barre before or after the coal boom, other than pointing out that “hundreds of thousands” of immigrants moved there to take advantage of mining jobs. Tabarrok actually provides a citation for his claims, which is that book I linked to. Where are your citations?

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  96. MarkinLA says:

    I thought that according to Tabarrok (and the usual libertarian fantasy world) the mining companies had to pay higher wages to get people to work in the mines. Instead, they just filled the area with ignorant immigrants and proceeded to screw them. So I guess they didn’t have to pay higher wages now did they?

    It seems the citation you just gave about Wilkes-Barres proves Tabarrok is an idiot.

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  97. jtgw says:

    It doesn’t refute Tabarrok at all. It says that many immigrants came, but it doesn’t say that the area was just as heavily populated as the rest of the country before then, which is what you are claiming. Are you ever going to provide a source to back that up or are you insisting I take your word for it?

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  98. MarkinLA says:

    You keep meandering around trying to find some way to validate your and this Tabarrok’s idiotic libertarian fantasy world. His original claim was that miner’s were living the life of Riley thanks to the selfless benevolence of the mine owners. Then he went on to make the unproven claim that they HAD to pay people more (because of his other dubious claim that the places were “undepopulated”) and that the company store was a godsend for the miners just because.

    I showed that Willkes-Barre was NOT underpopulated since it is easily within a half days train ride from every major eastern seaboard city from Boston to Baltimore. So there were plenty of Micks and WOPs who could have filled those jobs. Remember the Micks were brought in during the Civil War as cannon fodder for the Union Army so there were plenty of them in Boston and NYC. Instead the saintly mine owners went looking for ignorant people from Poland and Russia to fill their mines up with. It doesn’t matter if the mines eventually brought in hundreds of thousands of Pollacks. They didn’t need them to work the mines, they needed them to undercut the pay they would have had to pay Americans. I don’t need a citation for that it, it is simple logic, and historical fact.

    Now since Tabarrok is full of it when it comes to his claim that thay HAD to pay more, then the rest of his claims are just as worthless.

    His idiotic libertarian nonsense is exactly the same as saying the textile companies moved their mills from the northeast to the south and HAD to pay people there more because the south was underpopulated. Now we know this isn’t the case either – they moved to lower their labor costs and break union contracts.

  99. @anarchyst

    My source is me and I have 20 year old w2’s to prove it.

  100. Sam J. says:

    We could change this by only offering financial aid for people in STEM degrees. Lowering competition would raise wages. As for the Universities that constantly preach hate for Whites and the West to hell with them. Let them fail.

  101. Anonymous [AKA "BillGateisababykiller"] says:

    Is it any surprise the tech Left are willing to displace Americans for their fiduciary gain?The unfair, monopolistic practices of these wonder boys needs to be curtailed.
    Better yet lets give them all atomic wedge’s and stick their heads in the toilet.

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