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Is white guilt a Christian affliction? Edward Gibbon would probably say so.

Gibbon was the genius who wrote, in 1776, the 12 volumes that comprise “The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire,” wherein he saddled nascent Christianity with the downfall of the Roman Empire, no less. (I read the 1943 version, which was “condensed for modern reading.”)

By so surmising, Gibbon brought upon himself the wrath of “bishops, deans and dons”—not to mention that of the great Dr. Samuel Johnson’s biographer, James Boswell. Boswell called Gibbon an “infidel wasp” for “the chapter in which he showed that the fall of Rome was hastened by the rise of Christianity.”

And indeed, Gibbon seems to point toward Christianity’s self-immolating, progressive, pathologically inclusive nature, remarking on the courting by early Christians of “criminals and women.” [Not my words.]

Even more infuriating to his detractors was Gibbon’s prodigious scholarship. “No one could disprove Gibbon’s basic facts,” notes American author Willson Whitman.

Whitman, who wrote the 1943 Foreword to the abridged version, remarks on how “Gibbon outraged the Christians of his era by suggesting the ‘human’ reasons for the success of Christianity.”

“Among these reasons [Gibbon] noted that Christianity … attracted to its ‘common tables’ slaves, women, reformed criminals, and other persons of small importance [Whitman’s words, not mine]—in short that Christianity was a ‘people’s movement of low social origin, rising as the people rose.” [His words, not mine.]

To go by Gibbon, Christianity might be called the Social Justice movement of its day. Gibbon certainly seemed to suggest so.

In no way was Gibbon, who “professed Church of England orthodoxy,” diminishing Christianity’s centrality to Western Civilization, or its essential goodness and glory. He was just following the evidence.

With Gibbon’s historical analysis in mind, it’s difficult to dispute that America, once identified as a staunch Christian country, seldom stands up for and safeguards Christian interests.

Trust Tucker Carlson to take note. On April 22, 2019, 1.41 minutes into this broadcast, the TV anchor observed that American foreign policy imperils the already imperiled Christian communities across the Muslim world. For one, the ancient Iraqi Christian community is a shadow of what it was under Saddam Hussein.

To their own dwindling, Western flock, American and European Christian leaders seldom offer succor and support. More often than not, church leaders are inclined to scold Westerners and berate them for insufficient procreation.

Take Philadelphia Archbishop Charles J. Chaput. For outbreeding Christianity, Chaput offered praise for Islam as a civilization—as if civilizations are great because of huge numbers, rather than human capital—namely, people of superior ideas, abilities and sensibilities; people capable of innovation, exploration, science, philosophy, to say nothing of mercy and charity.

Has not Christianity’s great heart been instrumental in ameliorating famine, and thus enabling Muslim Africa’s population explosion?

But, no! For the less-fruitful Christians of the West, Archbishop Chaput has only words laced with snark. Chaput taunts the waning West with the prospects of getting swamped, deservedly, and dying out if it doesn’t hurry up and breed like the Muslims of the Third World.

Is that the extent to which The Church will defend its own? It doesn’t seem remotely merciful.

Why doesn’t Chaput defend, with a view to preserving, his own Christian Civilization, even if it fails to reproduce to the archbishop’s standards?

Since Archbishop Chaput and his ilk will not—cannot—encourage contraception for Africa, how about protesting Africa’s migration to Europe?

In the context of the American and European immigration S.O.S., the “demographic decline” argument, wielded by Christian leaders (and many a misguided “conservative” pundit), has been used as an excuse to swamp—and weaken—native European populations.

But from the fact that Western nations aren’t breeding to some state-set, church-approved, desired level—it doesn’t follow that these nations “deserve” to be demographically drowned by better breeders.

Why don’t Christian religious leaders stand-up for the right of Western people to retain their countries, despite their procreational foibles and frailties?

The State has orchestrated the mass migration invasion. Pressured by The Church, the State can stop it.

Just like their Christian compatriots in the ministry and the priesthood—American rabbis are generally more inclined to pop-religion and Social Justice. Like their Christian friends, rabbis aim to bring religion in line with self-help literature and common, leftist, spiritual and political hobbyhorses and quests.

Theologically, America’s rabbis are an unscholarly lot, more an extension of American pop-theology, than that of the authentic Hebraic tradition.

So, while Social Justice is a pillar and imperative in the Hebrew Bible; it’s not a national suicide pact.

Deuteronomy, an early book, showcases an advanced concept of Jewish Social Justice, and is replete with instructions to protect the poor, the weak, the defenseless, the widows, the orphans, the aliens, etc.

This ethical monotheism, developed centuries before classical Greek philosophy, is echoed throughout the Hebrew Bible (Exodus), and is expounded upon by the classical prophets, who railed against power and cultural corruption so magnificently. The Ten Commandments, lest we forget, preceded the Epistles of St. John.

However, there’s none of this turn-the-other-cheek, love-thy-enemy stuff in the Hebrew Bible and in Judaism, in general. In the Tanach, there’s the imperative of justice. One of the oft-repeated phrases in the Hebrew Bible is, “Justice, and justice alone, you shall pursue.” (Deuteronomy 16: 18-20)

Be just to your enemies, yes! But love them? Welcome them into your home? Let them walk all over you, outnumber you—even kill you when The Prophet moves them? Never!

In this, Israel’s orthodox rabbis are still hard-core Old Testament, steeped in a religious and cultural particularism, whose impetus it is to preserve the Jewish Nation.

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You’ll certainly not hear an Israeli Orthodox rabbi, tethered to his country and countrymen, suggest that, because the Chosen People are in violation of the injunction to be fruitful and to multiply (pru urvu, as commanded in Genesis 1:28)—that they deserve to be replaced by better breeders.

Before Gibbon, it was Voltaire, French philosopher and writer extraordinaire, whose historical analysis led him to view Christianity as having had a softening effect on Rome, culminating in its yielding to the invading barbarians.

If Christian prelates reject history’s lessons—and the imperative to harden The Faith—courtesy of Gibbon and Voltaire, perhaps they’ll heed the Hebrews who revived their fighting faith in their ancient homeland.

Ilana Mercer has been writing a weekly, paleolibertarian column since 1999. She is the author of Into the Cannibal’s Pot: Lessons for America From Post-Apartheid South Africa (2011) & The Trump Revolution: The Donald’s Creative Destruction Deconstructed (June, 2016). She’s on Twitter, Facebook & Gab. New on YouTube: “America Belongs To The World; It’s Everybody’s Home.

 
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  1. AaronB says:

    White guilt originates in the fact that the West lives by an irreligious, immoral culture.

    It doesn’t originate in atrocities committed by the West. All peoples committed atrocities, and whites are no worse.

    The solution to white guilt is equally simple; a return to religion and morality, like every other culture.

    White guilt is a perfectly healthy response to objective fact. It is the immune system of white people working as it should, and warning whites that they have gone dangerously astray.

    Repentance is the normal way to deal with guilt – it is simple and effective. There need be no mystery nor difficulty here. This is not a complex issue.

    This is a simple spiritual issue of the kind that it is not at all unusual among individuals.

    I guarantee that if whites return to living by a culture of religion and morality, they will immediately regain their self respect and will to stand up for themselves and preserve their culture.

  2. Alt Right means a group of middle aged white men who jerk off watching Interracial Porn because that’s what they are good for.
    Snug white people who have always considered the West as their private preserve are an endangered species. The demographic trends cannot be denied. In a few years white folks will become a minority in almost every Western country. So enjoy it while you can, Bubba, your days of driving the bus are numbered.

    YOU KNOW WHAT WHITE MEN, YOU HAVE LOST THIS WAR AGAINST THE TIDE OF COLOR.
    REASON: YOUR WOMEN HATE YOU. YOUR WOMEN ARE NOT GONNA STAND AGAINST THE INJUSTICES AGAINST THE PEOPLE OF COLOR.
    People of Color are waking up and about to start fighting the great evil of white supremacy.
    Even white females are fighting against white males.

    I as a white man acknowledge all that.

    Yes, this is quotas in reverse of the traditional meaning. Yes, this will require “reverse discrimination” as companies and institutions of all sorts compete to hire black people. Yes, white people may have to take a dose of the bitter medicine of racial discrimination. Yes, this may require companies to compensate for lousy schools by providing employees with “remedial” courses. If companies, large and small, don’t like the latter, they can campaign for better schools by ponying up the dough.

    As a white person, I acknowledge that its time for the shoe to be on the other foot for a change. I want America to be the land of equal opportunity, and I want to be able to prove it with the numbers, not merely mouth outworn (and untrue) clichés.

  3. Realist says:

    Why don’t Christian religious leaders stand-up for the right of Western people to retain their countries, despite their procreational foibles and frailties?

    Because too many of them (especially evangelicals) are in awe of Jews and Zionism and are under the illusion that Jews are God’s chosen ones. Religious whites feel beholden to Jews and display white guilt. Much of the Jewish owned and controlled ad agencies and media promote miscegenation in television and print ads plus the the television programming. Our whole society is awash in promotion of white guilt for the holocaust, slavery, the subjugation of POC and all other societal flaws.
    Here is a perfect example of Jewish chutzpah and conning of foolish whites.

    https://www.ifcj.org/

  4. Jews just happen to be the leaders in every anti-Western movement in the last 150 years, including the vicious anti-White campaign currently raging. Just a cohencidence, I’m sure.

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  5. Wonder how many offspring the good archbishop has produced?

  6. How to deal with it?…RESIST…..FIGHT BACK!!!

    Well…how do you do this?

    Well….it starts with having and expressing 0 empathy for the majority nonwhite Democratic Party Voting Bloc?

    So it goes like this in a “debate”:

    I don’t care about the DACAs and Dreamers…I don’t care about your sob stories….

    How to respond to a nasty Liberal…Leftist…Hindu “American”…Muslim “American”…like this: So what’s in it for the WORKING CLASS NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN HISTORIC MAJORITY….Why should we be in favor of being voted into a White Racial Minority within the borders of America by Hindus…Sihks….Nigerians…Chinese….Koreans…..Pakistani Muslims?…..Right you can’t give the Native Born White American Working Class….So we reject the Great Replacement for it is White Genocide…..What are you going to do?…Gas millions of WORKING CLASS NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN MALES?….Go ahead and try…..

    Ilana

    I think we should simulate a point by point “debate” with a White Leftists-Liberals and a Hindu “American”…and Muslim “American”….for it would reveal publicly the GENOCIDAL INTENT of the Democratic Party Voting Bloc towards Working Class Native Born White American Males…..

    WE also fight back by not giving a gd penny to NUMBERSUSA which won’t even mention the word HUWHITE….or other gd DC-NORTHERN VIRGINIA Immigration Reform Organizations…for they are all Grifters…..

    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
  7. Binyamin says:
    @M Krauthammar

    Well done sir (or is it madame?). It’s time more people posting at Unz denounce the Alt right- this evil quasi terroristic organisation is full of disgruntled whites who have never gone over the fact that America already has a twice elected black president. I have posted at Unz for several years and sometimes have felt a lone man in the company of deranged nazis, segregationists, KKK supporters and other bores. These disgruntled men’s idea cool of entertainment is watching old John Wayne movies in the company of fellow disgruntled men and grumble.
    A few years ago I accidentally infiltrated an Alt right gathering (it’s a long story). Within minutes of entering the non descript small hall, I realised something was wrong. You see, I am not in the habit of being in the company of socially inadequate men and women. My suspicions that it was a gathering of racialists was confirmed when I heard one of the men call Michelle Obama ‘n– bitch’. There was embarrassing laughter but no one objected. A rather plain women tried to engage me in a conversation. When I gently challenged her very first assertion, her face suddenly twisted and she became cross eyed and without uttering another word rushed to the opposite end of the hall where she engaged with another man. Perhaps I am being horrible. Maybe the poor woman was desperately trying not to sneeze and moved away because she did not want to deposit her germs on me.
    Before I found my excuses and left, I made one last glance at the shabilly dressed men and women and thought- ‘oh my, these compulsive masurbators are the new defenders of Western civilisation! Wow! …….Wow!

  8. Allow the Democratic Party define the terms of debate…and YOU ALLOW THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY TO MURDER IN COLD BLOOD!!!!! WORKING CLASS NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN MALES…….

    So what are the terms of debate?

    Here it is:Why should WORKING CLASS NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN MALES be in favor of the continuation of post-1965 Legal Immigration Policy?

    White Liberal:”We don’t care what you think…you are a NAZI!!!!…AND WE MURDERED NAZIS DURING WORLD WAR TWO…..AND THEREFORE, WE WILL EXTERMINATE MILLIONS OF WORKING CLASS WHITE MALES”

    Well now…this sounds like mass murder to me….This where we are at in 2019….THEY WANT US DEAD!!!!

  9. red6020 says:

    In no way was Gibbon, who “professed Church of England orthodoxy,” diminishing Christianity’s centrality to Western Civilization, or its essential goodness and glory. He was just following the evidence.

    Ah, yes! Edward Gibbon, that Enlightenment, rationalist thinker steeped in British Anti-Catholicism was in no way showing bias when he blamed the decline of the Roman Empire on the priestly Catholic religion!

    We all know the Roman Empire finally and definitively collapsed in 1453 after 1,100 years of Christianity because of all that imperious spending of the Church! Of course, Romans pre-Christianity never spent on such frivolities as religion, temples, palaces, festivals or parades!

    Before Gibbon, it was Voltaire, French philosopher and writer extraordinaire, whose historical analysis led him to view Christianity as having had a softening effect on Rome, culminating in its yielding to the invading barbarians.

    Ah. Another exceptionally unbiased “historical analyst” as Voltaire agreed with Gibbon (and not-at-all anti-Catholic or anti-monarchical) . Such men are, of course, not polemicists but merely “followed where the facts led”.

    P.S. In all seriousness, I do want to note the oddity of citing old rationalists who condemned Christianity for being too uptight, rigid, bigoted, provincial and closed-minded in service of an argument that Christianity is inherently open, loose, liberal, egalitarian and without any borders whatsoever.

    P.P.S. I quote Thomas Carlyle: “Voltaire read history, not with the eye of devout seer or even critic, but through a pair of mere anti-catholic spectacles.”

    • Agree: Amerimutt Golems
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  10. WE can not Policy Wonk ourselves out of WHITE GENOCIDE….

    WE can not “post clever comments” ourselves out of WHITE GENOCIDE….

    WE can not “Post clever economic econometric arguments” ourselves out of WHITE GENOCIDE….for the economic argument comes down to allowing for the possibility of an economic argument for WHITE GENOCIDE(VDARE.COM moratorium argument…when would Nonwhite Legal Immigration Increase after the moratorium?..When there is a labor shortage?=high wage economy for Working Class White Males….how stupid can you get Peter….)

    • Replies: @paranoidgoy
  11. anonymous[785] • Disclaimer says:

    Anti Whiteism is the real motive behind modern political correctness and leftism.

    If diversity is such a strength, why is this “gift” given to White populations only, when there are so many non white places that “need” it much more?

    Why is open borders a White ‘Privilege’?

    Slavery, colonialism are not uniquely White. Not even close. Nor have Whites been exempt from
    facing these evils. See: Turkey, Mongolia, North Africa, Japan, the Islamic world’s mass enslavement of the Slavs and the Irish among others…

    And if it’s about the Aboriginals, then help the Aboriginals. Importing more “thieves” to this “stolen land” as they like to say doesn’t help. Nor does importing random third parties as a solution make
    any sense.

    It’s clear that ‘anti racist’ is just code for Anti White
    And that diversity is code for White G…

  12. Nona says:

    What he didn’t say, did NOT dare say, is that at the time of the Fall of the Romans, “Saint” Paul- a Pharasee, of the same family, had turned the Teachings of Yeshua ben Joseph, right BACK to Pharasee beliefs…in a U-Turn.

    Yeshua taught a Way of Life, forgiveness and love, “Don Onto Others”, while the Pharasees taught isolationism, of being the “Chosen”- and only their beliefs were/are valid. And attacking the beliefs of other Peoples, and invading and slaughtering others…such as Charlemagne did, and later, William the Bastard, and much later, the Spanish conquistadores in the Americas (and the creation of the Spanish Inquisition).

    “Saint” Paul started a religion, a mix of Pharaseism (an eye-for-an-eye, vengeance, and hell) and Yeshua’s philosophy of Forgiveness.

    Christianity today, is a mix of these two beliefs, you can see it in the Christian Mass, today. The teachings of the christian priests, and their pedophilia, and promotion of it, in the jewish talmud, today.

    So, yes, christianity, was ONE of the reasons, of the down-fall of the Roman Empire.

  13. White Guilt has several origins and uses.

    1. Among certain whites, it’s a badge of honor. It is rooted in Christianity and its cult of sin and redemption. As Christians, whites developed the art of feeling ‘holier than thou’. Since Christianity says all men are sinful, the only way to feel good is to show that one has been SAVED or More Saved than Others.
    For such people, ‘white guilt’ is a means to show off their commitment for atonement. Though self-abnegating, it is also a means of moral supremacism, especially against those whites who are less confessional of their sins. “I’m a good white as opposed to those bad whites.”

    2. Among certain other whites, ‘white guilt’ is a product of their subconscious white supremacism. Their supremacism is subconscious because these whites generally tend to be ‘liberal’ or moderate conservative. They will profess there is nothing worse than ‘white supremacism’. And yet, deep down inside, they are afflicted with ‘white guilt’ because History shows that whites were less than perfect. Now, all races and peoples waged wars, practiced slavery, and even dabbled in genocide. Then, it should hardly be surprising that whites did likewise. No big deal, in fact.
    But there is the White Conceit that whites should have known and behaved better than rest of mankind. But if whites are to be held to a higher standard, it implies they are innately superior.

    3. Among Jews, ‘white guilt’ is a whip, like used on a horse. Jews are now the rulers of the world, but they don’t have the numbers to maintain this empire. Jewish supremacism feeds on white submissivism. Whites as managers, administrators, soldiers, and engineers must support the Jewish Hegemonic Project.
    To ensure that whites will suppress their own identity & pride and channel their energies toward serving the Holy Awesome Jews, their sense of agency must be beaten down. Just like a horse is trained to obey the rider or coachman, white race must be made to follow the orders of Jews as the master, rider, owner. To sustain such loyalty and submission among cuckish whites, Jews use the whip of ‘white guilt’. If whites display any sign of independence or liberation from Jewish Control, Jews lash out with ‘white guilt’ and sting the white ego with shame and self-loathing. This is why, when Trump won the presidency by acting like a devil-may-care brash white man, Jews went full blast with ‘white guilt’ by dredging up stuff about Emmit Till and Nazis.
    Jews use ‘white shame’ in conjunction with ‘white guilt’. The latter is more a ‘spiritual’ or moral matter. It’s about wounded conscience. The former, ‘white shame’ is about sense of physical defeat and humiliation. This is why Jews go all out with black sports and jungle fever to beat down the white race with shame. White guys are humiliated in sports, pop music, and sex by Negroes, and this leads to plummeting of white manhood. This is why Jews seek to flood Europe with 100 millions of Big Negroes from Africa. This is why Jews promote black-male-white-female ideal in advertising and movies. Imagine if whites made tons of movies in Israel that said Jewish women should ideally spit on Jewish men as a bunch of schlemiels and go with Arab or Muslim men. Jews would shit, but Jews love to spread ‘white shame’ among cucky-wuck whites.

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    , @Wally
  14. The State has orchestrated the mass migration invasion. Pressured by The Church, the State can stop it.

    Nope. The State (the government) is owned and operated by- who else? – the Ruling Class. The white people most influenced by the church are the Deplorables. We have no white guilt. And unless you count Donald Trump we have no influence on the government.

    However, there’s none of this turn-the-other-cheek, love-thy-enemy stuff in the Hebrew Bible ……

    Neither is there any of that “stuff” on the atheist left. White guilt is virtue signalling from Communists. It is a product of Communist indoctrination. Not Christian theology.

  15. thank you ,well said.
    this is another reason they where fed to the lions, where the Roman ciricus free to watch?
    What could be done to ensure a more just allocation of national wealth? In the old days, circa 100 AD, Roman authorities instituted a fiscus Judaicus, a ‘Jew tax,’ precisely to offset the extra cost burden placed on society by Jews. Dare we suggest reinstating such a thing? A few trillion dollars could go a long way to right the wrongs of modern society.

  16. peterAUS says:

    White Guilt: Where Does It Originate & How to Fight It

    Paul Gottfried and Kevin MacDonald answered the former. And some other guys, some time ago.

    The latter requires, for the majority of Whites, a bit more than an intellectual musing. Proper parameters.
    We’ll get there.

  17. milermp1 says:

    BAP would have something to say about “Christian Marxism.”

  18. Has not Christianity’s great heart been instrumental in ameliorating famine, and thus enabling Muslim Africa’s population explosion?

    Antibiotics and vaccinations are more plausible causes.

    Sub-Sahara Africans tend to have lots of kids to mitigate traditionally high infant mortality rates. This is paid for by Western governments through outfits like the World Health Organization plus NGOs like the Gates Foundation.

    SJWs have infiltrated churches but remember back in the day Christianity helped repel Muslim hordes several times.

    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
  19. @AaronB

    Yes, but another and different religion. Not Christianity. A failed project. Similar to a marine industrial design that had so many design flaws, material weaknesses, that work-arounds, retrofits would bridge the defects and deficiencies. Like the song says, “You have to know when to hold’em and when to fold’em-as well as when to draw cards, and walk away.”

    My variations and reiterating of this theme have draw responses ranging from sentimental, nostalgic, irrelevant, irrational, and phantasmagorical. Most can be characterized as impractical and having little or nothing to do with EuroMan’s survival and genetic imperative to increase.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  20. @anonymous

    If the Hindus in India and Hindu “Americans” woke up tomorrow and found that all of India’s Engineering Schools and Medical Schools were majority Chinese…Faculty and Students….and the Chinese were the majority in every Indian Tech Company…….The Hindu “Americans” would go apoplectic and the Hindu in India wouldn’t tolerate this situation for more than a week…..it would be over in a week………Yet the Hindu “Americans” demand that they have a right to vote the WHITE WORKING CLASS NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN HISTORIC MAJORITY into a violently persecuted White Racial Minority within the borders of America….as soon as possible…

  21. @War for Blair Mountain

    Yours is an example of exhortation, then wheezing and leaving the building for a pleasurable pursuit. Meaningless, unfocused, and scattered with not plan. The Man with the plan wins.

    If if your are not of the intellectual type, just watching crime and action movies will reveal that planning and forethought provide the context and stage for victory. See….

    https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2019/08/12/on-white-genocide-a-reply-to-critics/#comments

  22. @Amerimutt Golems

    There will be a tsunami of Africans pouring out of the Dark Continent by the tens of millions, wanting to take what they do not have and can not earn. This will increase year by year, while the Indo-European population declines constantly in absolute numbers.

    https://www.amren.com/commentary/2019/06/the-african-population-bomb/

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  23. @Binyamin

    Your dialogue between your Binyamin and M Krauthammar characters are a great put-on. You do slapstick well. 😂

  24. @Amerimutt Golems

    If Jews used Holocaust Education to make whites feel sorry for Jewish victims, no problem.

    But Jews want something more than sympathy. They want supremacy, and this is where ‘white guilt’ becomes problematic. Jews insist on supremacy over whites. Ironically, they made themselves the ubermensch or Jewbermensch on the conceit of holy holocaust-hood while whites have made the untermensch of eternal guilt. It’s like reversal of Christian notion that Jews are forever tainted by the killing of Jesus.

    This arrangement is even more dangerous because it’s not just about Jews and whites. It’s about the whole world because Jewish ambition and greed know no bounds. By invoking ‘white guilt’, Jews are telling whites that the ONLY WAY whites can atone for their crime against Jews is by supporting Jewish imperial initiatives all over the world. Ironically, Jews have become the New Nazis, and whites have become the new collaborators of Jewish-Nazi imperialism. So, whites must support the destruction of Palestinians, Libyans, Syrians, Iranians, Russians, and etc. Whites must aid and abet in the Jewish destruction of the world. Jews act as the New Nazis but, amusingly enough, they push for all these Wars for Israel(cold or hot) on account of combating ‘new hitlers'(like Assad for example).

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  25. Why don’t Christian religious leaders stand-up for the right of Western people to retain their countries, despite their procreational foibles and frailties?

    There was a time when Christian religious leaders would exhort us to Crusade to re-take the Holy Land or launch an inquisition to deal with problemmatic infidels. In fact, one would often find the clerics literally in the vanguard of these movements. Those were the days of Christian men. It may be just as well that they’ve started appointing female clerics to face off against the Rabbis and Mullahs; we might at least get a merciful end.

  26. Not one of Ilana’s best. True, there are many truths in what she wrote (Gibbon, that faggy archbishop & perhaps many US rabbis). But, she- and I’ve seen this way of reasoning many times before, probably because it is perfectly natural -is wrong about the central tenet: it is not tenable to adduce & “extract” typical behavior of a historical civilization from its central religious texts. There is no causal connection between the two; some type of correlation yes, but not clear causality.

    Bible & Quran are good examples: these are patchwork texts, layers upon layers & you can get from them whatever you want, given the historical circumstances. Other world-views follow the same pattern: extreme militarist & nationalist forms of Japanese Buddhism have roots in traditional Buddhist religious culture, which is otherworldly, teaches compassion as the central virtue & is basically monastically oriented.

    With Christianity, you could have Crusades with belligerent Christians wanting to boot insolent Muslim invaders. There was nothing that could stop them.

    White guilt, on the other hand, is an ideological symptom of wealthy & post-religious Anglospheroid & Teutonic societies. You will not find “white guilt” among the Italians or French or Argentinians (they have other weaknesses, but white guilt-tripping is not among them), let alone Poles or Russians.

    This is signum temporis of wealthy de-racialized Teutonic Protestantism & too good living for too long a time. But- it will pass. Just, not without rivers of blood.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    , @Feryl
  27. There is white guilt but also white cowardice of the fact that blacks are more muscular and more aggressive.

    https://www.facebook.com/domusorobica/videos/359260434984540/

    Whites fear black muscle in the streets but wildly cheer for it in the sports arena.

    Whites fear most what they applaud most and applaud most what the fear most.

    A strange racial complex.

    • Replies: @davidgmillsatty
  28. buckwheat says:

    White guilt? The fuck does that mean? Pussified liberals and nigger loving white bitches maybe but anybody that thinks the average white male has any guilt for being white is out of their minds.

    • Replies: @brandybranch
  29. peterAUS says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    White guilt, on the other hand, is an ideological symptom of wealthy & post-religious Anglospheroid & Teutonic societies. You will not find “white guilt” among the Italians or French or Argentinians (they have other weaknesses, but white guilt-tripping is not among them), let alone Poles or Russians.

    This is signum temporis of wealthy de-racialized Teutonic Protestantism & too good living for too long a time. But- it will pass. Just, not without rivers of blood.

    Couldn’t agree more!

    Especially with:

    …. too good living for too long a time. …

    and

    ….not without rivers of blood.

    Hehe…apologize, but really can’t help myself: White guilt and Croats.
    Those in/from Herzeg-Bosna in particular. Oh my…….

  30. AaronB says:
    @Poupon Marx

    What do you think of a kind of Tolstoyan faith purged of doctrines and superstitions?

    I’ve been reading Gandhi and Tolstoy lately, and it seems to me both have much to teach the modern West.

    Tolstoy’s faith is simple but impressive.

    Basically, each of us are composed of a body and a soul. Each soul comes from the same Source, and strives to unite with all other souls and the Source, which is God.

    However, our physical bodies separate our souls from each other and the Source, and so it’s pull must be resisted. Thus a certain amount of asceticism is essential to free our souls for unification, and we must strive to overcome our selfish egos, which keep us trapped in our bodies, and prevent us from achieving the union we crave.

    Souls overcome the separating influence of the body through love.

    Some such conception is at the heart if all reLigions – Judaism I know contains ideas very, very similar to these.

    Christianity does too – but the problem is, it also contains strange doctrines that defy belief.

    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
  31. Wally says:
    @M Krauthammar

    Yep, these “people of color” ‘hate evil racist whites’ so much that they do anything they can to get out of the shit holes that “people of color” created to live in majority Euro-white nations.

    Once again:

    In every instance where blacks & browns are in great numbers, and / or control the governments of cities, counties, regions, states, countries, & continents we see:
    – massive murder rates
    – massive crime in general
    – degraded property
    – massive disease, especially STDs
    – massive drug & alcohol abuse
    – general filth, squalor
    – massive birthrates
    – inability / unwillingness to support their own children
    – massive youth pregnancies rates
    – massive school dropout rates
    – incredibly low IQs & test scores
    – violence as a way of life
    – fathers nowhere to be found

  32. Wally says:
    @M Krauthammar

    Not many Euro-whites left?

    Then there will be no one to pay the bills of the unproductive, lazy, and obviously not very smart “people of color”.

    Then what?

    • Agree: Realist
    • Replies: @Gene Su
  33. Wally says: • Website
    @Priss Factor

    It’s the fake & impossible “holocaust” narrative which enables the attacks on Euro-white peoples and their cultures.
    Without the impossible Big Lie the canards of ‘Nazi’ this ‘Nazi’ that would have no impact.
    The scientifically impossible ‘6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ nonsense silences free speech and enables Jews & Communsts to push their violence inciting hatred down everyone’s throat.
    The preposterous narrative was invented for this purpose, in addition to extracting trillions of dollars of cash for Jews Only.

    • Agree: Poupon Marx
  34. JoannF says:
    @M Krauthammar

    These aren’t reasonable arguments, these are infantile, emotional rantings, same as the “binyamin” fellow’s comment on yours. Same person ? Not a problem at this site.
    Humans are herd animals, and societal losers will always chooser egalitarianism for a tactic, appealing to the instincts of the mass – they have nothing else to offer (as brown people have nothing much to offer humankind genetically). Unable to argue with any constructive reasoning, they will claim victimhood.
    Watch out for suppressed aggression boiling under the hood… breathe, you poor guy.
    “You as a white man,” are either impostor(s) or masochists by simple psychological definition, disqualifying your bizarre part in this discussion.

  35. robwin says:

    White guilt? What else can one expect when every major organ of culture stresses how morally deficient white people are, and have been since the emergence of the Civil Rights movement. Indeed if I were engaged in destroying a people, their culture and political institutions, a good place to start would be in destroying their self-confidence and inner moral regard.

    • Replies: @Realist
  36. mongo says:

    white guilt? sorry i dont fall for that BS….i dindu nuthin and i wasnt invovled in any of it…so no guilt,its just manipulation,give us some cash and youre off the hook..bullshit..sociopaths come up with con games like this all the time..im not buying what theyre selling.

  37. @AaronB

    Thank you for your interesting comment. I believe a searching for Reality and Universal Truths should be from the INSIDE first and foremost. The reasons and underpinnings of this declaration can be found in the writings and records of Carl Gustav Jung, especially his idea of Individuation.

    It already sounds to me that you have entered the perimeter (a very limited metaphor) of Buddhism. Buddha was, in addition to the most complete man who ever lived, the photo-scientist. I post these links here for your continuing journey and enlightenment:

    http://www.aboutbuddhism.org

    https://thebuddhistcentre.com/buddhism

    http://www.buddhanet.net

    My advice is to start with a blank slate, and approach for search with a completely open mind and free of ego and external expectations and historically individual forces.

    • Replies: @jack daniels
    , @AaronB
  38. Yes, it is literally a human tsunami that threatens every corner of the civilized world. But because of its horror, and the enforced infantile Political Correctness and Social Marxism imposed and internalized by the inferior raft of White Pebbles, only a discussion in whispers and remoteness will occur.

    Look at the reaction here. Metaphorically speaking, eyes averted, heads bowed, necks craned looking for the Exit Sign. That’s why Whites are pathetic and continue to be used as door mats and toilet paper by Jews.

  39. Well, Ilana, those in the know are certain where it comes from. The origin and genesis of White problems of self-interests and identification come from your Tribe. This is something you, Dennis Prager, David Horowitz, have never owned up to. Rare, even for Jews that profess love and compatibility for Christians, will not condemn their own Hole-ly works or actions of the Jewish Satanic Elite Families, such as the Rothchilds, Montefiores, Warburg, Schif, and others.

    Just like the Good Muslims, none will publicly criticize at least some aspects of Islam.

    “What do you want, We gave you a religion and a savior?”, is the bleating of some Jews, who resented being pressured to accept Jesus. A cui bono analysis of Christ-inanity yields a high possibility that the religion was created to be an open would and catheter, as a perpetual access to infuse pathogens into Corpus Christianus, thus keeping him pliable and dumbed down, like a brain parasite-or in today’s metaphor, like an implanted chip in his brain. There are numerous “science fiction” movies that dramatize this takeover of personality and cognition of the Earth’s human population.

    Your past bleating about your “penurious” rabbi father, the one who with other radical and sociopathic Jews like Nadine Gordimer, and many more, were the driving and pervasive/perverse force [nationally and internationally] that broke the Boers in South Africa. World wide condemnation of apartheid was a howling chorus, orchestrating by the International Jews, their control of major media and their proxy Shabby Shabbos Goy boot lickers.

    Your family, so proud of ending “the horrendous institution” [monstrous, inhuman, barbaric, etc, etc] of apartheid has led to the near cannibalistic regression that the shit hole South Afreaka is today.

    OF COURSE AND OBVIOUSLY, YOU ARE TOO COWARDLY TO APPLY THE SAME STANDARD TO THE MOST APARTHEID COUNTRY ON THE PLANET: ISRAEL. WHICH IS THE PLACE YOUR REVERED FATHER FLED TO AFTER THE TAKEOVER BY THE AFRICAN NATIONAL CONGRESS.

    To the showers with you. You are smart enough to know the “Hollowcast” is phony and scam and fraud. Let’s hear it from you one way or the other. Real or not real? True or false? Valid or a lie?

    Step up and reveal yourself.

  40. Saggy says: • Website

    What kind of absurd BS is this article, an article about ‘white guilt’ written by a super-Jew, a grotesque fraud who calls herself a paleolibertarian. How absurd can it get. I confess I’d never heard of I. Mercer but quickly googled up her web site which leads with

    JEWS MUST NEVER FORGET TRUMP FOR REMEMBERING OUR UNFORGETTABLE JERUSALEM
    Ilana Mercer, February 22, 2018

    This article should never have been published on Unz. The bitch is gloating.

    • Replies: @Quebecer
  41. Quebecer says:
    @Saggy

    Frankly, I don’t think the word ‘bitch’ has its place here.

    You can certainly express your opinions forcefully, but try to keep it ‘civilized’.

    • Replies: @Saggy
  42. White guilt comes from the jews, obviously. Through the J-media and J-academia jews spew their nasty anti-white rhetoric on an unsuspecting Christian populace that sincerely seeks to do what is right.

    The jews teach non-whites to hate whites, and the jews teach whites to hate themselves.

    Slavery….the “Holocaust”……the “genocide” of native americans……white people are born evil and have never done anything good, sayeth the jew.

    When you first begin to see how this works it can make you sick for weeks. After reading “The Culture of Critique” I was an upset wreck for quite a long time. I just couldn’t believe those nice jews I had respected and looked up to my whole life were actually engineering the destruction of my people.

    To this day I still can’t get over it…..all of my elders fought in wars to help the jews….and the jews stab us in the back……it’s a very hard pill to swallow.

  43. Saggy says: • Website
    @Quebecer

    Have a look:
    And read a few quotes:

    The world mistakes Palestinian military weakness for moral innocence.

    Islamic terrorism is the handiwork of people who’ve heeded, not hijacked, Islam.

    Our adventurous foreign policy might be a necessary precondition for Muslim aggression but it is far from a sufficient one

    Having a Jew write an piece on how to ‘fight white guilt’ is really way too much. If you can’t use the b word for Illana Mercer you might as well retire it from the language.

    • Replies: @Robert Dolan
  44. @Saggy

    She wrote “Into The Cannibals Pot.”

    She deserves some credit.

  45. Gene Su says:

    There was a magnificent essay that Ilana Mercer wrote that is at the core of her thesis as to why Western Civilization is falling apart. It was called “Why do WASP societies wither?” I think a better title for it is “Why do post-Christian European societies wither?” She argues that Christians have been taught to turn the other cheek at every instance, which enables outsiders to constantly take advantage of them and bump them off. I would like to challenge one detail of her argument. I don’t think it is so much because of normal Christian charity that we have fallen into this sentimental stupor but an unhealthy mindset we Westerners are imbued with when we are children in school (especially public school)? This mindset came from what could be a dangerous heresy.

    I have told this on some other Unz blogs and gotten some undeserved (but not unexpected derision). I remember being heavily bullied when I was a kid in school and in summer camp. I remember asking the (white) teacher:
    If someone throws a spitball at me, can I throw a spitball back?
    No, otherwise I will throw you in detention and take away your snackies.
    If someone shoves me, can I shove them back?
    No, otherwise I will throw you in detention and take away your snackies.
    If someone throws a rock at me, can I throw a rock at them back?
    No, otherwise I will throw you in detention and take away your snackies.
    If someone hits me, can I hit them back?
    No, otherwise I will throw you in detention and take away your snackies.

    Every American child is taught that they must be well-behaved no matter what offenses are done to him or her. In particular, ever American child (especially those in the upper classes) is taught that
    (1) It is never okay to fight back.
    (2) It is ever okay to walk away.
    If self-defense was justifiable in our public schools, there would be a lot more fist fights. If it was okay to walk away, well, then everyone would play hooky. You can’t avoid bullies if you are in the same classroom as them.
    This mindset did not come from Moses or Jesus Christ (remember, Joseph was told to flee to Egypt to avoid Herod), but from John Calvin and his followers, who wanted to bring about the “Kingdom of God on Earth” and needed to create the public schools in order to turn everyone into “Godly, obedient citizens.” Of course, “Godly, obedient citizens” never stand up for themselves. They always turn to the police and the courts. That’s the only way we can have the “Kingdom of God on Earth”.

    I remember about one of the public rape incidents in Central Park when a lot of onlookers gathered but no one intervened to protect the woman from her rapists. Why is that? Because they thought that the police was coming to help her. Why is that? Because we are all taught as children never to stand up for our rights and to bring every complaing to the teacher or the police. Did you know that if you break up a fight between your fellow classmates in some public schools, you might get suspended along with the combatents?

    I remember one Unz article about a gang of blacks who threw rocks at a white man. He responded by brandishing a gun and got 10 years in prison for it. I said that maybe he gotten his just desserts, when I got some (maybe deserved) derision from some fellow bloggers. But you know why I reflexively said that? Its because if a gang of whites were throwing rocks at me and I, an Asian, were to brandish a gun at them, I know a judge would not hesitate to throw me in jail. Why do I think that? Because when I was a kid an I tried to fight back against a white punk who threw a rock at me, a teacher threw me in detention and took away my snackies.

    We are now all “Godly, obedient citizens” who cannot stand up for outselves. I wonder what will be our ultimate reward?

    • Replies: @Robert Dolan
  46. @Gene Su

    I don’t buy into the pathological altruism hypothesis, nor do I attribute all of the cucking to Christianity.

    Christianity kept the jews in check for 1900 years after all.

    No…..the hostile jewish elite has a virtual monopoly on information, education, entertainment, and legislation……every control point of society.

    Political correctness is the collective will of the jewish people and by this method gentiles are taught what to think and speak and how to act. Cultural marxism has atomized and deracinated our people and left them unable to defend themselves. Our people live in fear, walk on eggshells, and live as second class citizens in the lands our forefathers built.

    The jews use money as a form of control and they are very successful social engineers. Most whites have no clue as to what is going on. They think it’s normal for massive numbers of third worlders to invade the USA, Canada, England, Spain, France, Germany, Italy, Ireland, Sweden, New Zealand, and Australia, all at the exact same time! It’s just a coincidence! Spontaneous movement of MILLIONS, something never seen before in all of human history, the richness of diversity a huge blessing for racist white people!

    I agree that white people are just way too nice and too tolerant, but 100 years of brainwashing has taken its’ toll.

    • Replies: @Realist
  47. Realist says:
    @robwin

    Indeed if I were engaged in destroying a people, their culture and political institutions, a good place to start would be in destroying their self-confidence and inner moral regard.

    Only the weak allow their self-confidence to be destroyed.

  48. Realist says:
    @Robert Dolan

    I agree that white people are just way too nice and too tolerant, but 100 years of brainwashing has taken its’ toll.

    I sure as hell wasn’t tolerant of bullying. When someone tried to bully me I popped them good and hard, it nipped the problem in the bud, in most cases…some took a couple pops.

  49. Daniel H says:
    @M Krauthammar

    Snug white people who have always considered the West as their private preserve are an endangered species.

    But it is our preserve. If the West is not white then it will not exist.

    • Agree: Robert Dolan
    • Replies: @Robert Dolan
  50. @Priss Factor

    But if war, is the game, it is entirely different. Africa must surely know that the Europeans could completely wipe them out without setting a boot on the African continent. And after a few years have a completely blank continent to colonize.

  51. @Daniel H

    Society/culture/government flow from a given gene pool.

    The west is white people with a high trust Christian value system, two parent families, high investment parenting, K selected reproductive behavior, relatively high IQ but also VERY high in imagination and creativity.

    We invented damn near everything known to man.

    The magic dirt theory is bullshit.

    Pakis will NEVER be English.

  52. Be just to your enemies, yes! But love them? Welcome them into your home? Let them walk all over you, outnumber you—even kill you when The Prophet moves them? Never!

    Jesus wasn’t talking to nations. He was talking to individual people. Individual people are (for good or ill) immortal; nations are temporary, like the creation itself. Grass, to grow for a season and then to be thrown into the fire.

    The Ten Commandments, lest we forget, preceded the Epistles of St. John.

    Yes, and they were fulfilled, perfectly, by Jesus. As He said from the cross, “It is finished.”

    Before Gibbon, it was Voltaire, French philosopher and writer extraordinaire, whose historical analysis led him to view Christianity as having had a softening effect on Rome, culminating in its yielding to the invading barbarians.

    Maybe, maybe not. Here’s the thing, though: a Christian believes because he’s convinced that a certain few things are true. What these things basically boil down to is the full deity of Jesus, and His physical resurrection, which He cited before it happened as being His credential of that deity. If these things are not true, in the everyday, factual sense, then — as the apostle Paul said — our faith is worthless, and is not to be believed. It’s true, or it isn’t. Doesn’t matter whether it makes Rome strong or weak, or makes America great again, or builds strong bodies twelve ways, etc.

    If Christian prelates reject history’s lessons—and the imperative to harden The Faith—courtesy of Gibbon and Voltaire, perhaps they’ll heed the Hebrews who revived their fighting faith in their ancient homeland.

    First, understand that the Christian church, the body of actual believers, is way smaller in numbers than those who infest houses of (alleged) worship on Sundays, and those who make their livings fleecing the deluded. Jesus Himself said that the way is narrow that leads to salvation, and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and many are those who go that way. So I really don’t give a diddly-rip what “Christian prelates” reject or accept. As for you Jews, if your faith is really invested in some piece of earthly real estate, as appears to be the case, then … I’d suggest you rethink things.

  53. iffen says:
    @red6020

    P.S. In all seriousness, I do want to note the oddity of citing old rationalists who condemned Christianity for being too uptight, rigid, bigoted, provincial and closed-minded in service of an argument that Christianity is inherently open, loose, liberal, egalitarian and without any borders whatsoever.

    LOL!

    You can only dream of making words say such things.

  54. @M Krauthammar

    We now have learned there is no such thing as “equal opportunity”.

    There will be privileges–the only question is who will have them.

  55. Feryl says: • Website
    @Bardon Kaldian

    White guilt, on the other hand, is an ideological symptom of wealthy & post-religious Anglospheroid & Teutonic societies. You will not find “white guilt” among the Italians or French or Argentinians (they have other weaknesses, but white guilt-tripping is not among them), let alone Poles or Russians.

    It’s been well-known throughout history that prosperity breeds decadence; sometimes it happens in the (relative) blink of an eye; look at Western pop culture in 1965 (just 20 years after WW2 ended, as the 1st world countries were regrouping), and then look at Western pop culture in 1995 (when “End of history” individualism, and no apparent opposition towards it, peaked)

    See also the “resource curse” countries of the Global South, which are perpetually ruled by a lazy, corrupt, and entitled leadership class (ala Saudi Arabia), who expect the dough to keep rolling in no matter what. The Saudis, for example, often import lots of immigrants to do the work “that Saudis just won’t do”.

    WRT white ethnic groups, modern Spaniards, French* etc. are just as decadent as the Anglo-Tuetonic countries. These countries also had their glorious post-war era (with a strong middle class, lowish levels of immigration, and tentative cultural liberalism) that last about 30 or so years, which they then totally trashed after circa 1975 by increasing immigration, de-industrializing, and glorifying ethnic minorities and sexual perversion.

    The Slavic countries had no glorious post-WW2 era; that’s why they are culturally healthier right now in comparison to all of the white Western countries.

    *The Danes and Austrians are taking much greater steps to preserve their traditional culture than the French are; in argument could be made that France and Sweden are probably in the most trouble of losing control of their identity, and post-Merkel Germany is starting to look awfully shaky as well (which they could remedy by sending most of the “invaders” back before they get established in Germany, whereas France has forfieted many neighborhoods to non-whites since the 1990’s and is now nearing a point that America was at in the mid-20th century when many US blacks became well-established in the urban North and have permantly altered the ethnic character of these regions. American and French whites basically have to accept that many well-populated areas of their countries do not belong to them anymore, and may never belong to them again.

  56. @Binyamin

    Your use of language smells like you are using this site as a vector for your propaganda.

  57. @AaronB

    You are correct that our nation’s problem is a spiritual one.

    However, white guilt began after Abraham Lincoln, the corporate lawyer representing big banks and big business of the North, killed half a million of his own people to make them pay their taxes. Then in the late 19th and early 20th century our corporate run government brainwashed American children through government run schools to believe that he killed half a million of his own people to do something nice for someone. Such compassion! Such goodness! Yes, he killed all those people to do something nice! What a good man.

    The War Over Slavery story is not just a myth about history, it is also a confused state of mind about the true nature and purpose of war. War has a purpose, not a cause. The purpose of war is to conquer territory, resources, and people. It is animal behavior to benefit oneself. Nobody goes to war and murders people to do something nice for someone else.

  58. @Poupon Marx

    Any religion that posits a supernatural creator will offend modern materialism. However, Christianity has a very appealing message both metaphysically and ethically. The chief tenets are:
    a) Life has a happy ending, like a comedy. All will come right in the end. Judaism has a more tragic view.
    b) Everyone is sinful but if we recognize our sins we have the opportunity to repent, reform, and be forgiven. This improves on egoistic or relativistic denials of the reality of sin, as well as atheistic schools of psychology that view human behavior deterministically. Both approaches are unable to justify punishing criminals or rewarding the virtuous, except as a pragmatic expedient. Both demoralize and frustrate us by denying the reality of good and evil. We are cheated of our natural wish to admire the saintly and deplore the wicked. Christianity also improves – arguably – on the atheist’s pessimistic view that what’s done is done and forgiveness is pointless.
    c) Do not despair if men do not appreciate you since in the end it is God’s opinion that counts. This is very helpful in treating depression and regret, as one finds in alcoholics, addicts, and the suicidal.
    d) Treat others as you would be treated. This does spill over into loving one’s enemies. Lately one finds certain right-wing types lamenting Christianity’s passivity in the face of boorish behavior by enemies of Israel. Nietzsche took this view, that Christianity is for losers, and it would be better to be manly pagans laying waste to the Muslim invaders. However, it is perfectly possible to justify war or turning away immigrants if one can frame it as a policy that everyone would be entitled to practice under similar circumstances. The main difference is that the Christian must never ENJOY making people suffer but must always do it reluctantly when there is no better option. If that spoils too much fun for the primitive souls of neocon regime-changers, too bad.

    As for Muslims coming into Europe, at least the Muslims are willing to stand up to aggressive sexual radicals bent on teaching five-year olds how to have kinky sex.

    White guilt is not the product of Christianity but of the shaming of Christianity, mostly by Jews in the media and academe. Old-time Christians would have stood up to both the Muslims and the (mostly secular) Jews who are out to de-Christianize society. And they would have made alliance with Muslims against the sexual radicals who, when heterosexual, are usually secular Jews. Modern sexual morality, by unlinking sex from family and procreation and stigmatizing motherhood, is to blame for low birth-rates. Both Muslims and orthodox Jews reject sexual laissez-faire and have high rates, as did Catholics in the old days.

    As for Buddhism, reflect on the fact that the cruel and bloodthirsty Vietcong were all Buddhists, at least prior to such political education as they received after recruitment.

    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
  59. stephenf says:
    @M Krauthammar

    Okay, you get an A in your race-and-culture class. Extra points for hating people on the basis of race and inventing word-constructs like “white supremacy.” Extra even on top of that for this level of self-hatred. You’re a high achiever for sure.

  60. stephenf says:

    “Wise as serpents and harmless as doves” was the point. Lose either side of that, and Christianity becomes either hapless, sappy, self-destructive self-hatred, or a hardened, aggressive religion that operates like Islam. You must have both.

    Western civilization is now mostly post-Christian, still enjoying the benefits of the culture underpinned largely by Christianity of the past. But God is becoming, and has already become in many circles and for many people, this monoculture of anti-Westernism, antirationalism, stupidity, and self-hatred that is so easily manipulated by the powerful. Guilt about everything, for every reason, the more imaginary the better. Obsessive white guilt, separatist identity politics, perpetual victim-ginning, an elitism of aggrieved groups who absolutely despise real equality. This is how we go out.

  61. AaronB says:
    @Poupon Marx

    Thanks for your reply.

    There is no doubt that Buddhism is a profound and beautiful religion, and I used to be very interested in it – I still am, really.

    The only thing it lacks is a God – but this isn’t really true, as Mahayana Buddhism sort of approaches the idea of God, and later on develops it fully.

    The reason why a God is necessary is simply because true humility is impossible without it. One must strive mightily for liberation through ones efforts, but then one must surrender to a higher being.

    God, also, is necessary for that feeling of connection and unity with all being in a spiritual sense that Buddhism strives so hard to inculcate.

    God, too, satisfies the desire of the human heart for devotion and love.

    Finally, God, as the soul of the world, must be real.

    In short, Buddhism, while recognizing the principle of non-duality, failed to apply it in practice fully.

    This was remedied somewhat in Mahayana Buddhism, but Westerners have generally opted for the versions of Buddhism that were more abstract and godless.

    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
  62. KenH says:

    I don’t see American or European Christianity and most of its adherents as constitutionally capable of defending the West and the race that created it. Christianity today is a pacifistic and moribund faith that often takes the side of the forces arrayed against the West. Of course, that could always change but I’m not optimistic.

    The Christians I come across tend to fall into one of several categories:
    1) The fundamentalist whack jobs who think we should wage war and exterminate any group that threatens Jews and Israel. Jews are the superior race while the rest of us are interchangeable parts.
    2) Those who belong to churches who are always having fundraisers for black Africans and traveling to central America to help brown people and spread the word (I have a cousin in this category).
    3) Those who admit that pro-white arguments are logically and factually correct but that Jesus eschews race and “racists” so they must, too.

    The other problem is that I’ve heard some pro-white Christians say they would accept Jews if they just accepted Jesus. This is disconcerting as Revilo Oliver remarked that you can’t change the nature of the Jews by sprinkling holy water on them which is evidenced by the historical record. We need racial and biological determinism not religious determinism and wishful thinking.

    If we don’t cast of this yoke that is contemporary Christianity then whites and the West are likely headed for the dustbin of history.

    • Agree: Poupon Marx
    • Replies: @Corvinus
  63. @jack daniels

    Any religion that posits a supernatural creator will offend modern materialism.

    “Materialism” is very broad and vague. A better term would be “Materialistic Determinism”, which has the meaning of totality of the world of the senses, the material world, the world of the atheist, the Rationalist. This is of course what Karl Marx used as a cornerstone.

    Life has a happy ending, like a comedy. All will come right in the end. Judaism has a more tragic view.

    I have no idea what you mean by this. This fits into no religious doctrine that I know.

    White guilt is not the product of Christianity but of the shaming of Christianity, mostly by Jews in the media and academe

    The Corpus Whitus is sick, very sick. Christianity did not reduce or abate this. Christianity has been been doing more that adding, it has been a prime agent of our destruction. A religion could not have been created that would have made us more vulnerable and frozen our thoughts and reactive responses to our continual morbidity for over a millennia.

    As for Buddhism, reflect on the fact that the cruel and bloodthirsty Vietcong were all Buddhists, at least prior to such political education as they received after recruitment.

    A more transparent fallacious argument could scarcely be conceived. How would you know that? Did you interview them? Are all people of N and S Vietnam Buddhists? And finally, what is the difference between correlation and causation?

  64. Richard B says:
    @Binyamin

    What a corny JIDF Troll.

    The only KKK in the world today is The Kvetching Kosher Khazars.

    Of which you are quite obviously a proud member. Maybe even it’s Grand Dragon.

  65. @AaronB

    The only thing it lacks is a God – but this isn’t really true, as Mahayana Buddhism sort of approaches the idea of God, and later on develops it fully.

    I am very happy to tell you that this is not true at all. Buddha directly and explicitly referred to the Master of the Universe and the Divine. This cannot by denied. The process of reincarnation or the Perpetual Enlightenment and the end of reincarnation is the same as Heaven in the West.

    Buddha did not waste time conceptualizing, anthropomorphizing God or the Divine, using our time and space constructs. Buddhism is a set of teachings to live by and attain an existence that approaches the Ideal. The very existence of a Plan presumes and indeed subsumes this.

  66. Richard B says:
    @Priss Factor

    Great comment.

    David has become Goliath while still pretending he’s David.

    I think what we’re witnessing is The Pyrrhic Victory of Jewish Supremacy Inc.

    Because their rise to power is in direct proportion to the collapse of everything that power is supposed to control.

    They might be good at infiltration, subversion, destruction and death.

    But they’re no good at social-management.

  67. Logan says:

    There have been dozens, possibly over a hundred, “causes” proposed for the Fall of the Empire. Christianity may very well have contributed, as it is certain that the Fall had many causes. But pretty obviously proclaiming it as The Cause is only done when one has an ax to grind.

    I’ve studied this for decades, and to my mind the primary Cause was that the Romans never developed a rational method for succession to the throne.

    Hence every emperor had to be worried about any of his generals being too successful and becoming thereby too popular. So they tended to kill their best generals pretty regularly. This had at least two negative effects.

    1. Generals knew they might be killed by the emperor at any time, so they were encouraged to launch a pre-emptive coup in self-defense, even generals who would have just preferred to continue being a general.

    2. Killing your good generals has obvious negative side-effects when you have genuine foreign threats to deal with.

    The Roman and later the Eastern Roman history is thus one largely of civil war, which of course whoever won always weakened the empire relative to outside forces.

    Later western Europeans developed the concept of primogeniture and “The king is dead, long live the king.” That king being the king’s son, even if he was an infant. A successful general as such was no direct threat to the king, as nobody would follow him if he rebelled. Since he was no direct threat, the king didn’t have to kill him to prevent a revolt.

    It is of course not quite this simple, as the king’s brothers and uncles were often a threat. But this at least had the effect of limiting genuine threats to the crown to the other members of the royal family.

    A main tradeoff is of course that this turned succession into a genetic lottery, and you might get a genius or an idiot as king. But I suspect this was a net positive compared to the Roman free-for-all for supreme power.

  68. Logan says:
    @AaronB

    Repentance is the normal way to deal with guilt – it is simple and effective. There need be no mystery nor difficulty here. This is not a complex issue.

    There is no repentance and forgiveness possible for white guilty.

    In the Social Justice religion there is no redemption, quite in contrast to Christianity.

  69. Corvinus says:
    @Roberto Masioni

    “Jews just happen to be the leaders in every anti-Western movement in the last 150 years…”

    That would be Fake News.

    Must all white people be feverishly “pro-Western Civilization”? What gives you the authority to label them “anti-white”?

    “Why don’t Christian religious leaders stand-up for the right of Western people to retain their countries”

    They stand up for the right of their adherents to pursue the glory of God, not a secular interest as “retaining their country”.

    “Is white guilt a Christian affliction? Edward Gibbon would probably say so.”

    It’s really according to Who/Whom.

  70. Corvinus says:
    @KenH

    “The Christians I come across tend to fall into one of several categories…”

    Categories YOU created to then make an argument. In essence, you crafted a false premise.

    “We need racial and biological determinism not religious determinism and wishful thinking.”

    Please cite specific New Testament Bible passages that mandate Christians must engage in “racial and biological determinism”.

    ” then whites and the West are likely headed for the dustbin of history.”

    Maybe. Then again, probably not.

  71. Then explain Lepanto, or Poitiers. Or 1492, for that matter.

    And explain how Voltaire is loved by the internationalist Marxists.

    Christianity was the only force that kept some Roman thought alive. Otherwise the Germanics would have destroyed all the copies of The Republic, and Aquinas would have never been born.

    Also, Jews in the West funded secularists and humanists such as Gibbons, who by their work tried to erase Christian roots of modern Europe, searching for a hazy utopian legendary past between the Germanic Thing tribal meets and the Bronze Age Roman Senate, and continually finding nothing… While the burghers and freemarketers and capitalists and internationalists continue to destroy culture, nations, and the masses and their traditions… traditions which include both Christianity and the few valuable pagan stories…

    I’d like to ask Ms. Mercer when white South Africans were more patriotic, when they were more fervently Christian descendants of missionaries and the Empire, or now that they have become rootless internationalist city dwellers…

  72. @Corvinus

    In the kingdom of Heaven there is no Jew nor Greek…
    That said, Christ did command the Gospel to be preached to “all nations”, not to a unified world; therefore recognizing the existence of diverse peoples on earth, which are to be united only in the kingdom of Heaven, not before.
    Also there is the recognition of local authorities – give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar, regardless of whether he is ruler of the world (as some people of some races seem more apt to be) or just of his tribe.
    Therefore it made sense for the Church to distinguish between universal and vernacular; and later, between those races that were more apt to receive and spread the Gospel than others. Thus, that white Christian society was so successful over the last thousand years while also spreading itself to the more successful non-whites, seems to have gone over Ms. Mercer’s head.
    Sadly, these nuanced opinions have become lost both to extreme atheist nationalists and extreme atheist internationalists in the modern age… nationalists think their own national Gospel, or church or faith or culture or whatever, is perfect and unchanging; internationalists believe that an all-encompassing utopian universalist truth and/or church/faith ever-present culture is the only goal, without regards to traditions and particulars.

  73. @Corvinus

    “Corvinus” [the Big Daddy vampire in the Underworld movie], you comments usually border and achieve distaste to me. They seem crafted for another purpose, i.e., to deflect and to defuse a train of thought. You offer no cogent, logical, or detailed responses, just sow seeds of doubt with no support.

    Consequently, your writing and thoughts have no weight or valence, or even credibility. In addition to content, meaningfulness comes from a perception and feeling that the transmitter is sincere and heartfelt. You display neither. I shall waste no more time reading you.

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  74. Corvinus says:
    @Poupon Marx

    “you comments usually border and achieve distaste to me.”

    Because they cut through your b.s.

    “They seem crafted for another purpose, i.e., to deflect and to defuse a train of thought.

    “You offer no cogent, logical, or detailed responses, just sow seeds of doubt with no support.”

    Code for “I am too lazy to offer counter arguments to his points”.

    “Consequently, your writing and thoughts have no weight or valence, or even credibility. In addition to content, meaningfulness comes from a perception and feeling that the transmitter is sincere and heartfelt.”

    All your lies are belong to us.

    “You display neither. I shall waste no more time reading you.”

    I bear witness that you are a slave to your confirmation bias.

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  75. The truth is we whites are better than blacks and browns in major ways. Obviously, we are more intelligent, less criminal, run better countries and provide the world with better ways and means for living. It’s not even close. We are also more tolerant of people with whom we disagree or act differently and far more willing to live and let live. We don’t throw homos off the rooftop for example.

    For those who disagree, move to South Africa, Brazil or any country run by blacks or browns. Show, by example, that you really believe that fertilizer you preach. Or more locally, move into Harlem, South Central or equivalent places in other cities. You won’t and all know why nor do we disagree.

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  76. KenH: “I don’t see American or European Christianity and most of its adherents as constitutionally capable of defending the West and the race that created it.”

    In Christianity, there is only God, individual souls, and everything else. Everything in the third category (i.e., “the world”), is regarded as comparatively unimportant at best, and within the dominion of Satan at worst. To the Christian way of thinking, biological distinctions such as race are only transient phenomena pertinent to this brief earthly life, while their gaze is fixed on an imaginary next life, which they dream will last forever. Therefore what matters to a Christian is the state of his own individual soul in relation to God; and souls have no race, nor even any gender. Hence:

    28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
    – Galatians 3:28

    Racial and sexual equality are built into such a worldview. Certainly, among Christians there have always been a certain number of hypocrites, perhaps at times even constituting a majority, but that doesn’t change the fact that for anyone taking the presuppositions of this religion seriously, race doesn’t really matter. It can’t. Attempts to make it matter will always be regarded as heretical, a satanic attempt to undermine reality as the Christian conceives it to be; in effect, an attempt to overthrow the divine order. Thus, believers in the magic rabbi always eventually come to denounce racism as an offense against God, just as we see all of the mainstream denominations doing today.

  77. The first thing we should notice about so-called “white guilt” is its inauthentic character. I can no more feel personally guilty about the actions of someone who lived long before I was born than I can legitimately take credit for inventing the electric light bulb or the steam engine. “White guilt” therefore describes a phenomenon that bears very little resemblance to the genuine article. It’s a poor counterfeit that is only easy to pass off as the real thing because whites desperately want to believe in the myth of their own moral superiority.

    Let’s examine this alleged moral refinement in detail. This will bring me to my second point about the fiction of “white guilt”, which is its extremely selective character. Where is “white guilt” over the millions of white children aborted and prevented from being born? Where is “white guilt” over the millions of their fellow whites who have been robbed, raped, or murdered by the in-flowing tide of non-white criminals? Nowhere, that’s where. Suddenly, this extreme moral sensitivity vanishes. In fact, it’s almost certainly the case that many people who claim to be suffering from “white guilt” even celebrate such things.

    Another indication that “white guilt” is phony as a three dollar bill is the fact that practically no one who claims to be suffering from this affliction is willing to make any serious personal sacrifice to atone for it. Instead, they almost always want someone else to atone for it. How many white homeowners who swear they feel guilty have signed over title to their house to a black man, or an injun? Very damn few, I’ll wager.

    “White guilt” is an excuse for actions motivated by something else, an impulse that is quite different, and goes unrecognized because it is so well camouflaged. It’s nothing less than an attempt to mollify dissident groups in order to incorporate them into a higher unity. Call it a civilization-building instinct. They want all groups to settle down together into a single raceless society, to become smoothly working cogs in the vast machine whites have constructed. Is it possible? Only the event of the matter will show for certain, but that’s the aspiration. “White guilt” is nothing but a charade, a deception that must be gone through in order to achieve this aim. Taking its existence seriously is an essential part of the charade in which almost everyone, even the most virulent racists, willingly participates.

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    , @peterAUS
  78. paranoidgoy says: • Website
    @War for Blair Mountain

    Bro'(say braa) brother, please stop screaming at us, you are hurting my eyes.

  79. @Dr. Robert Morgan

    They want all groups to settle down together into a single raceless society, to become smoothly working cogs in the vast machine whites have constructed.

    Who is “they” exactly?

    My lifetime experience is that ideology (and you are describing an ideology) is _not_ the best explanation for human behavior and actions on the ground in almost all cases.

    At this point most of the white elites just want the unwashed masses fighting among themselves–and are focused on their own short-term gain–any which way then can. Ideology is just a tool in the propaganda toolkit. “White guilt” is one of those tools. “Equal opportunity” is another. “Fairness” is another.

    Just words, as Obama used to say.

    Just words.

  80. Justvisiting: “Who is “they” exactly?”

    “They” refers to white people themselves; the ones claiming to suffer from this fictitious guilt. What I’m describing is a transaction that occurs on an unconscious, collective level; nothing to do with ideology. Whites pretend to feel guilt, and the aggrieved (who are not actually aggrieved, since it was not they who suffered) pretend to consider joining society on the terms whites want them to — to settle down and become good, productive citizens. Why go through this charade? It just appears to be the way human consciousness works. When a lie is told often enough, it can become accepted as truth. At stake is whether this sort of positive thinking approach can override biological differences between races.

    Of course, I’m aware there are other ways to look at it, one of which (“divide and conquer”) you mention. Generally though I reject conspiracy theories as having much explanatory power for broad social movements. Elites may be happy that there is internal division among the lower classes, but I don’t think they or anyone else caused it as part of a preconceived plan. African slaves were imported centuries ago because it suited an economic purpose at the time, not so it would cause division. Likewise, the continent was taken by force from indigenous peoples just because whites wanted it and they had the technological superiority that allowed them to do so, not as part of a conspiracy to sow division hundreds of years later.

  81. peterAUS says:
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    You are onto something here.

    Especially:

    …practically no one who claims to be suffering from this affliction is willing to make any serious personal sacrifice to atone for it. Instead, they almost always want someone else to atone for it.

    It’s nothing less than an attempt to mollify dissident groups in order to incorporate them into a higher unity. Call it a civilization-building instinct. They want all groups to settle down together into a single raceless society, to become smoothly working cogs in the vast machine whites have constructed

    .

    “White guilt” is nothing but a charade, a deception that must be gone through in order to achieve this aim.

  82. @Corvinus

    Nah, he had you nailed, and you replied with more of the same.

    Counterinsurgency

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  83. Corvinus says:
    @Counterinsurgency

    “Nah, he had you nailed, and you replied with more of the same.”

    It must be going around, as the confirmation bias flu has a firm grip on you as well. Here’s the panacea, free of charge.

    https://www.mindtools.com/pages/article/avoiding-psychological-bias.htm

  84. Gene Su says:
    @AaronB

    The solution to white guilt is equally simple; a return to religion and morality, like every other culture.

    This isn’t about guilt. This is about sentimentality. Christians did not used to be so sentimental. Too much sympathy has been wasted on blacks. I don’t have much sympathy for blacks. I don’t have much contempt for them either. When I hear them protest a police shooting, I say that maybe they are right. When I hear of another black a-hole shooting up a block in Chicago or Detroit, I ask why they don’t protest that as well.

  85. Gene Su says:
    @Wally

    Then blacks can’t blame us for their problems any more.

  86. peterAUS: “You are onto something here.”

    Yes, “white guilt” is an absurd concept, and obviously so. For example, in law, if I tried to sue you for something your grandfather did I’d be laughed out of court. So ordinarily, in their saner moments, people realize that individuals bear no responsibility for the actions of their ancestors. It’s a shame that the narrative is taken so seriously though, and is so firmly entrenched, because it prevents people from investigating and seeing the real cause. But then, that would make sense if people don’t actually want to become conscious of the real cause, wouldn’t it? Keeping up the belief that such a thing as “white guilt” is legitimate and real is part of the charade.

    I see the phenomenon as a kind of mass hysteria, a cross between mass delusion and a moral panic. Unlike many forms of mass hysteria though, this serves a definite sociological purpose. As can be seen by the perks and emoluments offered to minorities in atonement, it’s meant to recruit these groups into white civilization, thus making it stronger — at least, that’s the hope. The experiment may succeed, or it may fail with disastrous consequences. Whites collectively appear to be betting their very lives on its success.

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  87. peterAUS says:
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    I see the phenomenon as a kind of mass hysteria, a cross between mass delusion and a moral panic. Unlike many forms of mass hysteria though, this serves a definite sociological purpose. As can be seen by the perks and emoluments offered to minorities in atonement, it’s meant to recruit these groups into white civilization, thus making it stronger — at least, that’s the hope. The experiment may succeed, or it may fail with disastrous consequences. Whites collectively appear to be betting their very lives on its success.

    Makes sense.
    I’d sprinkle a bit of MacDonald “JQ” there too; how much is open to discussion.

    My take: it will fail. We shall see the conflict re “very lives”.

    How will that unravel…we’ll see.
    With nukes as the new “quality”, it could get complicated, fast.

  88. peterAUS: “I’d sprinkle a bit of MacDonald “JQ” there too; how much is open to discussion. ”

    MacDonald is actually advocating the opposite position. He sees whites as helpless, innocent victims of Jewish manipulation. I see whites as empire builders pursuing their own agenda. In my view, Jews have only as much power as whites allow them to have. They were incorporated into the Borg-like white empire back in Roman times, and are now an integral part of the system. They form a control mechanism within it. If whites didn’t have Jews and Christianity, they would have had to invent other means of controlling themselves.

    What I’m pointing to here by conceptualizing “white guilt” as a kind of mass hysteria, but one with a definite purpose, is an entirely new idea. Above I call it a civilization-building instinct, but it could also be called a manifestation of “collective intelligence”, something that has been little studied in humans, although it has been to a certain degree in other organisms.

    peterAUS: “My take: it will fail.”

    I tend to agree, though I can see scenarios developing that might allow a kind of success, if you want to call it that. Specifically, progressing in genetic engineering is occurring at such a pace that it might soon be possible to tailor human beings much more finely to the requirements of the system. Once the genetic basis of intelligence is understood well enough to “improve” it, the problem with low IQ minorities will be soluble. Or, alternatively, the genetic basis for same race preference (i.e., racism) may be uncovered and “eugenic” steps taken to eliminate it. Or, it could be that there is some kind of genetic basis for law-abidingness, and “eugenic” measures might be put in place to make that DNA variant universal, thus eliminating any possibility of future rebellion against the system. Many, many things could happen that would stabilize the system and enable it to remain functioning for centuries. Unfortunately, if it does, all of the paths lead to the extinction of the white race as it currently exists.

    peterAUS: “With nukes as the new “quality”, it could get complicated, fast.”

    Even a best case scenario such as you’ve suggested results in the extinction of the white race as it currently exists, because the technological system will continue to evolve and will need to re-engineer the human race to better meet its requirements. Remember that even such a champion of the white race such as Hitler saw it only as a good starting point for his eugenic improvement project.

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  89. peterAUS says:
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    He sees whites as helpless, innocent victims of Jewish manipulation. I see whites as empire builders pursuing their own agenda.
    In my view, Jews have only as much power as whites allow them to have. They were incorporated into the Borg-like white empire back in Roman times, and are now an integral part of the system. They form a control mechanism within it.

    It WAS like that up to, I’d say, the early nineties. Finished with Bush Snr.
    Yes, Whites (elites, of course, as always…) invented the game. Jews took over Smart, organized, dedicated. Simply better in playing the game.
    They are not control element within it anymore. They are the control element.

    ….genetic engineering………Many, many things could happen that would stabilize the system and enable it to remain functioning for centuries. Unfortunately, if it does, all of the paths lead to the extinction of the white race as it currently exists.

    Possible.

    ….best case scenario such as you’ve suggested…

    The best-case scenario has happened plenty of times through recorded history.
    The weakening of central authority, breakup of an empire/bigger entity, (re)build of society as it suits my tribe.

    I guess you are focusing on finding an ultimate solution to the “human” problem. I don’t.
    I focus on finding an acceptable solution for my “tribe” for the next, say…..50 years. Pareto principle.
    Like….not looking for a perfect woman. Just getting rid of wrong marriage.

  90. peterAUS: “[Jews] are the control element. ”

    This just seems to me to be contra-factual. It ignores the great numbers of whites, perhaps even amounting to a majority, who are actively co-operating in their own racial destruction. It ignores the role of Christianity, which is 100% onboard with the program. Also, if it were really true that whites were being controlled against their will, as you and MacDonald seem to posit, there would have to be a lot more resistance than there is. Yet aside from occasional incidents such as the shootings in NZ and El Paso, there’s been virtually none; at least since 1945. But in the final analysis, I think such an extreme characterization of Jewish power would have to be rejected even apart from those objections just because it’s an inherently hopeless point of view. If whites control nothing, not even themselves and their own actions, then what hope can there be of ever changing things?

    peterAUS: “I focus on finding an acceptable solution for my “tribe” for the next, say…..50 years. ”

    Notice that you put “tribe” in quotes, and I presume that’s because you realize that the white race isn’t really a tribe. But why isn’t it? It’s because the growth of technological civilization is inherently hostile to real tribes and has wiped almost all of them out, either killing them outright or absorbing them into itself. Where now are the Picts, the Celts, the Goths, the Scyths, and all the rest? Disappeared, amalgamated into what we now call the white race. But now the system has grown to the point where races themselves are being eliminated, absorbed into a larger, raceless unity. If you want to save your “tribe”, you must oppose the system itself. Only its total and permanent collapse can save the white race as it currently exists. Of course, a collapse would cause billions to die, and entail brutal hardship for any survivors, and maybe that’s too high a price for any sane man to be willing to pay. So, unless an asteroid strike or other civilization-destroying cataclysm happens soon, it looks like only a madman can save us.

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  91. peterAUS says:
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    Well thought out and presented.

    Disagree on both accounts, especially practicalities in the second. At least three options/scenarios there which aren’t quite as yours. End result in particular. Let’s skip the debate.

    I’ll keep it simple:
    One Ring…uhm..I mean One Rule to rule them all: What is good for Whites ?
    Free will.

    What and how will things happen, or not,we’ll see.

  92. Dannyboy says:

    ZERO white guilt here, darling.

    As a matter if fact, we still bearin’ “the white man’s burden up in here.

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