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That the Supreme Court of the United States (SCOTUS) finally delivered a decision returning and restoring power to the states on this one issue, abortion, is as it should be. If her state outlaws abortion; a woman can still board a Greyhound bus to get the procedure elsewhere.

The ethical elegance of the libertarian argument was voiced before in this space:

However much one disdains abortion, one can’t get away from the matter of self-ownership. You simply have no right to take custody of an adult’s body. An adult woman, however loathsome, either owns herself and everything inside her or doesn’t. You can’t “own” yourself with the exception of your uterus or in conjunction with other busybodies.

Thus, theoretically, “Women have the right to screw and scrape out their insides to their heart’s content.” With a proviso: Americans who oppose abortion must be similarly respected in their rights of self-ownership. Taxpayers who oppose the procedure ought to have an equal right to dispense of what is theirs—their property—in accordance with the dictates of their conscience.

Trojans, Trivora or termination: An American woman has the right to purchase contraception, abortifacients and abortions, provided … she pays for them. For like herself, America is packed with many other sovereign individuals, some of whom do not approve of these products and procedures.

So, while adult women ought to be able to terminate their pregnancies—always to the exclusion of late-term infanticide—what America’s manifestly silly sex does not have the right to do is to rope conscientious objectors into supplying them with or paying for their reproductive choices. The rights of self-ownership and freedom of conscience ought to apply on both sides of the abortion debate.

Late-term abortion, generally, must always be outlawed. (I realize, dear reader, that I owe you argument, not assertion, which, alas, is what I’ve provided.) One could argue that, Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, the deciding case brought before the SCOTUS, did concern late-term abortion, with the state of Mississippi banning abortion after 15 weeks, pursuant to which, “The Jackson clinic and one of its doctors sued Mississippi officials in federal court, saying the state’s law was unconstitutional. A federal district court and the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled in favor of the clinic, blocking Mississippi’s law. But the state appealed to the Supreme Court, which put the case on its docket.”

The result has been real federalism—on this one vexing matter—although, individual taxpayers who conscientiously object to abortion will still be on the hook for these services should their state authorize them. Federalism does not respect individual choice. And, federalism has hardly been revived. Powers have never been more concentrated in the Federal Frankenstein, which has never been more intractable and tyrannical.

Have we not just lived through three years during which the Pharma State has consolidated power as never before? On pain of taking the Covid jab, the state has de facto established license to shutter a subject’s business, deny him freedom of movement, quarantine, fire, and separate him from loved ones. Arrests of political opponents without due process have become more common in police state America than in Apartheid-era South Africa (which, as chronicled in Into The Cannibal’s Pot, was surprisingly legalistic and by-the-book). On a serious country’s scale of priorities, abortion would not rate a mention.

Law, moreover, is force. Criminalizing abortion (in the midst of a true crime wave and a systemic breakdown of ordered liberty) implies the creation of a new category of criminal, to be punished for the commission of an abortion: the abortion-seeking woman and her D&C performing (dilation-and-curettage) health-care workers.

The piss-poor quality of the now-overturned Roe V. Wade jurisprudence has never been in question. Wrote a reader: “There were 50 state laws on abortion until the Republican-appointed Harry Blackmun decided to merge the musings of his Mayo Clinic physician buddies and the vaguely written 14th Amendment into a stream-of-consciousness halachic SCOTUS decision known as Roe v. Wade. Since then, 55% of black pregnancies get aborted compared to a third of Hispanics and 11% of white.”

These statistics are significant in the context of crime. John J. Donohue and Steven D. Levitt (2001) had established that “the legalization of abortion, in the early 1970s, played an important role in the crime drop of the 1990s. Ceteris paribus, “legalized abortion will account for persistent declines of 1% a year in crime over the next two decades.”

Reversal of the trend is inevitable.

Myself, I don’t have sticky fingers and have no desire to control women’s wombs. Let progressive women—especially the fulminating fiends twerking and tantruming across the country—suction their uteruses for all I care. As evolutionary psychologist Ed Dutton has suggested, “Some people voluntarily resigning from the gene pool is a good thing.”

The consequences of a similar impetus against family planning in the undeveloped world have been described less daintily by Kevin Myers, former Irish Times columnist, banished from ossifying circles for telling the truth:

“The wide-eyed boy-child we saved, 20 years or so ago, is now a low IQ, AK 47-bearing moron, siring children whenever the whim takes him, and blaming the world because he is uneducated, poor and left behind. … Somalia [is] another fine land of violent, AK 47-toting, khat-chewing, girl-circumcising, permanently tumescent layabouts, and housing pirates of the ocean. Indeed [in Africa], we now have almost an entire continent of sexually hyperactive, illiterate indigents, with tens of millions of people who only survive because of help from the outside world …”

Also conducting themselves like primates in estrus are American women in protest of Dobbs v. Jackson . They are showing themselves to be in-and-out ugly—gorgons howling at the gods for being undesirable. And conservatives want deranged distaff to be mamas?

Beware: Babies born to “spiteful mutant s” will likely be a lot like their mothers, who are not in God’s image. A medal to the man who gets on top of such putrid flesh for his jollies.

WATCH “Hard Truth,” “Roe V. Wade Overturned: Should We Care If US Medusas Abort?”, with David Vance and myself, wherein David worries that Moloch worship is alive and well in America.

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Ilana Mercer has been writing a weekly, paleolibertarian think piece since 1999. She’s the author of Into the Cannibal’s Pot: Lessons for America From Post-Apartheid South Africa (2011) & The Trump Revolution: The Donald’s Creative Destruction Deconstructed” (June, 2016). She’s on Twitter, Gab, Gettr YouTube & LinkedIn; banned by Facebook, and has a new video-podcast.

 
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  1. no, Ilana: someone else’s body is involved:

    the baby being murdered. OTOH, I understand

    why Jews like yourself want to keep abortion “available”:

    it helps keep the Black population under Jew-control,

    and easily disposible against the Whites. If it grows too fast,

    it might get out-of-control,

    and turn massively against the Jews as well.

  2. The GOP with its ‘pro-life’ nonsense is, arguably, more dangerous than the Dems.

    • Troll: Eric Novak
    • Replies: @Anon
  3. @Haxo Angmark

    I see it just the opposite way and I’ve studied the situation for many years…..organized jewry uses blacks as a golem against whites…..the more blacks the merrier……more blacks means a bigger army against whites and more voters against whites…..that’s why jew Mayorkas has allowed two fucking MILLION hispanics to invade our country just recently with millions more on the way and the border completely wide open.

    Organized jewry is all about getting as many non-whites into America as possible and they are certainly not a bit worried about it “getting out of control!”

    What would you call BLM rioting and burning and looting and killing people in the streets?
    That’s not out of control? Dude….the jews LOVE inciting blacks to run amok…..the jew media works overtime to crank up the dumb blacks so they go jungle hysterical and stomp white people to death in the streets.

    • Replies: @Towey
    , @HammerJack
  4. I say if crazy bitches want to holocaust their own kids, go right ahead.

    The idea of them as mothers sickens me.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
    , @Paintersforms
  5. @Haxo Angmark

    the baby being murdered. OTOH, I understand

    True, but it’s the demon baby of a demonic bitch.

    I believe in genetics. A crazy bitch has crazy genes, which are passed down to the demon baby.

    So, let the demon bitch kill the demon kid. I even support full-blown infanticide for the crazy bitches. If they want to offer their born babies in satanic rituals, let them.

    I have no sentiment for people with demon genes.

    True, abortion is sick and vile, and no moral person would do it.

    So, moral people should act moral.

    But let the crazy demon bitches kill their sick demon kids.

    Ending abortion in southern red states is crazy.

    Black bitches will have more kids who will grow up to be thugs and vote Democratic.

    But these Christ-cucks are so full of themselves with holier-than-thou crap.

    I say let the demon bitches and black biatches kill their own kids.

    Our attitude toward the degenerates should be “You should have been aborted” and “You should abort your kid because YOU are unfit to be a mother.”

    • Agree: WSG
    • Replies: @UR2
    , @Commentator Mike
    , @Reaper
  6. UR2 says:
    @Priss Factor

    How much like your mother are you, l wonder. And how long have you lived to not see the tremendous ability for each person, complete with their own unique genetic code, to do what they wish with their life. Seek for the real truth of the matter. You seeth with hatred to the point of murder even, but, you could reach out your hand with love to those needy, little brothers and sisters…. made in the image of God-

  7. @Haxo Angmark

    Calling a foetus ‘a baby’ is just a manipulative TACTIC. BTW: Before becoming a foetus at 4 weeks, it’s an embryo, a morula, a blastocyst…
    But, in any case, even actual infanticide is likely ethical. Let alone, mere foeticide…
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    I’d enjoy, also, Tubal Ligation/Vasectomy laws plus Assisted Suicide/Euthanasia laws becoming very LAX – Liberals would jump on ’em, as lambs to the slaughter. Voilà: The gene pool is CLEANSED!

  8. Wilson says:

    “You can’t “own” yourself with the exception of your uterus or in conjunction with other busybodies.”

    Seems more like the uterus was the exception of generally not owning yourself. When else does a judge let someone off on the grounds that they own themselves? Maybe there is an objection to government mandating abortions, but we aren’t actually free to do much without getting on our knees to beg the government for permission.

    • Agree: Bro43rd
  9. Anon[271] • Disclaimer says:

    Up to 20% of women who took the covid vax and got a booster shot may be infertile, and the spike proteins from the shot also accumulate in the male testicle, perhaps inviting an immune over-response in some young men that will also make them infertile, so I would not be expecting a blue state baby boom. In fact births in some countries are quite down already.

    • Agree: Reverend Goody
  10. SafeNow says:

    the man who gets on top of such putrid flesh for his jollies…

    Men should heed the old saying used by commercial airline pilots: Never point your plane in a direction that your brain has not already visited five minutes before.

  11. @UR2

    Those are lovely thoughts….and it would be really great if everybody feared God and behaved accordingly.

    It would also be great if whites did not have their backs against the wall, facing a demographic catastrophe engineered by the jewish elite…..as whites are rapidly approaching the status of a viciously hated minority.

    And the destruction of the white race would surely send humanity into a very dark age…..and that is the road we are on currently.

    You obviously do not understand what is happening. America is at the same point as Germany was just prior to WWII, with organized jewry attempting a complete takeover, hate speech laws, asking for gun confiscation, massive inflation, etc.

    It’s hard to be “nice” in a racial spoils system where organized jewry has set ALL groups against whites, while not allowing whites to have any voice whatsoever.

    So….pragmatic thing for whites to do is to fight back against the war on whites.

    And war isn’t nice.

    • Agree: sulu, HammerJack
  12. xyz234 says:

    Don’t forget the racial demographics of abortion. Non-Whites have an abortion rate 3.5X that of Whites. Expect a bumper crop of criminals and welfare recipients to come out of this “victory” of the pro-life movement.

  13. @UR2

    To put it another way….whites have been nice for the last 70 years and this has resulted in the disaster that whites face today as a hated minority……demonized by the jewish media and academia…..and murdered in the streets by blacks who’ve been incited by jewish media propaganda.

    Whites have been waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too nice due to having a Christian value system that has basically backfired because it was subverted by organized jewry.

    I often go back to my story of a young pastor I know who had a seminar dealing with racial topics…..and the non-white members of the congregation spent the entire evening chewing him out and screeching about “racism,” while he was back on his heels and apologizing for being white for the whole evening. It was one of the most disgusting things I have ever seen.

    No….whites tried being “nice.” That doesn’t work.

    Whites were 30% of the world’s population in 1930….now 10% or less.
    America was 90% white just 50 years ago….now 60% and falling fast.

    No…..being nice isn’t WORKING.

    • Agree: sulu, Charon
    • Thanks: HammerJack


  14. Video Link

    Taylor explains what the jews have done to our kids.

    • Replies: @repsinec
    , @Alvin
    , @anon
  15. You simply have no right to take custody of an adult’s body. An adult woman, however loathsome, either owns herself and everything inside her or doesn’t.

    So the woman is a person who lacks agency, while the fetus is a non-person who possesses it.

    The late Doris Gordon, a Randian no less, tore this “logic” to shreds:

    The parent-child situation is unique. It is the only human relationship that begins by one side bringing the other into existence. This fact of parental agency refutes any assertion that the child is a trespasser, a parasite, or an aggressor of any sort. Prenatal children have the right under justice to be in the mother’s body, and both parents owe them support and protection from harm.

    https://humanlifereview.com/pro-life-movement-loses-doris-gordon-libertarians-life-founder/

    Interestingly, lack of legal personhood is not necessarily a disqualification for legal protection under current law. For example, eagles and their eggs are not considered persons, yet they have legal protection. In Roe, the Court went beyond a two-tiered view of humanity that perceives human fetuses as inferior to human adults, for it saw human fetuses as also inferior to eagle fetuses.

    https://l4l.org/library/abor-rts.html

    • Thanks: Bro43rd
    • Replies: @Badger Down
  16. Parents who support abortion are really telling their children they love them by giving them the freedom to do what the parents are obviously contemplating what they should have done instead.

    Meanwhile, parents who oppose abortion are telling their children that they raised them whether they really wanted them or not, and they want their children to have the same obligation regardless of regrets.

    No wonder y’all are so messed up.

    It’s pretty sad when the only truly honest people are the eugenicists who correctly assert that a smaller healthy population will make better choices than a bigger diseased and insane population.

    Natural selection is great but it’s just not fast enough to demonstrate the obvious consequences for our thoughtless fecundity. So that’s why it’s OK to celebrate Pride Month and Juneteenth. If only there was a Happy Alienation Day and Incel Week, all of nature’s little attempts at genetic correction would get their due recognition.

    I look forward to a Supreme Court ruling on the landmark case of Thinning the Herd vs Poor Impulse Control.

    • Replies: @Che Guava
  17. @xyz234

    Expect a bumper crop of criminals and welfare recipients to come out of this “victory” of the pro-life movement.

    Right. Because post-Roe America was so much safer and more civilized than what came before.

  18. Anonymous[387] • Disclaimer says:

    No. The child, from the moment of conception, is no longer the woman’s body. Doesn’t have the same genetics. Doesn’t have the same mind, and no, the mind is somewhat more than the brain.

    The “but it’s not self-viable” argument is retarded, since the woman herself is, in well over 99% of cases, also not viable if she were suddenly ejected from all pertinent human support structures as would be the baby. She would be dead in months if not hours via wildlife and deprivation outside civilization.

    First of all, the woman almost always does have control over her own body. The vast majority of pregnancies are not due to rape, and the same is true for the vast majority of desired infanticides, the child is not due to rape, and when it is not, the woman already made her choice to permit a chance of a child being produced.

    The woman either is an adult or is not. If she is to have full rights to control her body, she also is responsible for the consequences of doing so. If she is not responsible for all the consequences of controlling her body, she ought not to have full rights to control her body. End of story.

    In the rare case that the child is a result of rape, the woman still is not entitled to murder it. It’s not the child’s fault. Now, she should be entitled to receive full support for the child’s upbringing… a full time job, a responsibility that should fall first upon the rapist. This, incidentally, is why when both parties were unmarried in many cultures, they were the ancient equivalent of shotgun-wedded. Also because certain women otherwise have a tendency to suddenly decide they were raped when they turn up undisguisably pregnant.

    If the rapist is unknown or unable to be located, the local public should bear the major cost of the child rearing. This is an added incentive to the public to ensure that rapes do not occur. The reason I say the major cost instead of the entire cost is that, frankly, it’s not that easy for a woman to be raped if her and her family are behaving responsibly, and again, there are certain women who would otherwise decide they were raped at the moment they turn up pregnant, and then conveniently forget the identity of the father. Consequences should be targeted to all possibly responsible parties in proportion of likelihood.

    There are only two circumstance where there is any argument for killing the child. One is when the mother is in a PHYSICAL condition that will likely result in the deaths of both mother and child if this is not done… an extraordinarily rare circumstance, and even then should be delayed as much as possible. The other is when the mother was raped and is in greater than even physical risk of dying because of bearing or delivering the child, and again should be delayed as much as possible.

    Harsh, but all possible options here are harsh in some regard or other, creating a human being is a massive responsibility and consequence and does not occur out of nowhere, multiple points of failure and/or decision occur before it. These are no more than the best general rules.

    • Agree: Roger, Emslander
    • Replies: @The Real World
  19. Anonymous[387] • Disclaimer says:
    @xyz234

    That’s a problem with the welfare and law enforcement systems, not lack of infanticide.

  20. The woman is sovereign of her body. The State has no rights to it.

    Still, infanticide is, should be criminal. And abortion in the third third arguably is infanticide.

    But if the killer of a newborn baby is its mother, the penalty should be very light. A criminal conviction yes, but with a fine about the same as for jaywalking.

    • Agree: Badger Down
    • Disagree: Robert Dolan
  21. Anonymous[970] • Disclaimer says:

    Since then, 55% of black pregnancies get aborted

    A step in the right direction, but what can we do to get that number up?

    • Replies: @Francis Miville
  22. Obviously abortion(I mean baby murdering) is NOT about self-ownership, because the baby is not you or your body. But apparently this simple principle is still too hard to understand for a female, I guess. women are truly the dumbest moronic creatures ever existed, and the most cruel, evil psychopaths at the same time. It’s incredible. Islam is wrong about women; because it’s still way too generous and kind to women.

    • Replies: @anonym123
  23. Thank you Ilana, great article.
    1. Abortion — we have FAR bigger fish to fry.
    2. I find abortion distasteful — however I find many things distasteful. I’m a curmudgeon.
    3. Contraception is such that abortion should be a rarity.
    4. As to the fetus (or whatever it’s called at whatever stage) I go with the simple autonomy view. While the growth can not survive on its own with out the mother — it’s the mothers’ business . If it can survive without the mother, then it’s society’s business.
    Yes, a crude view, but at least it tries to balance freedoms & interests.

    • Thanks: ILANA Mercer
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  24. You too were once only a baby
    Growing in your mommy’s belly
    Having received the chance of life
    Why condemn innocents to the knife?
    Those gyrating without any shame
    The culture taught them it’s kind of fame
    Unwittingly, they play the devil’s game
    Their own flesh they do condemn.
    As for any building is its foundation
    And so for human life is conception.
    The Rock of Life that suffered rejection
    The masons crucified for world’s salvation.
    Suffer the children and let them live
    His kingdom the Lord chooses them to give.

  25. ED SKI says:

    Not enough questions have been posed that require answers:
    Should deranged moronic females be allowed to live?
    Should deranged moronic females be sterilized to protect the gene pool?
    Should deranged moronic females be institutionalized for public safety?
    Who would desire to mate with deranged moronic females?
    Who would be desperate enough to want sex with these DMF?
    Should deranged moronic females be allowed to purchase sperm to procreate, since no one will have sex with them?
    Should DMF be banned from holding public office?
    Should DMF be removed from public office?
    Should DMF be banned from raising children?
    Should DMF be banned from teaching children?
    When you have answered these questions, I think you will see that action needs to be taken, because as far as danger to themselves and the public, these creatures are worse that terrorists!

  26. Realist says:

    Ilana the Jew-haters got on your ass but good this time…but that is what you get for publishing your articles on this blog.

    • Troll: Hangnail Hans
  27. Gawd! I remember Steve Levitt’s “freakonomics” argument about abortion cutting crime 20 years ago. I was reading a lot of Steve Sailer at the time. The freakonomics argument sent Steve Sailer into a tizzy that lasted 6 months. I mean, it was six months before you heard the end of it from Sailer. Given that Steve Sailer was one of the original popularizers of bio-diversity, one would think he would be on-board with “pro-choice”. But for some reason he was not, and the “freakonomic” argument sent him over the edge for six months.

  28. This article makes clear that conservatives can be as off in la-la land as the liberal-left.

    • Agree: Bro43rd, mark green
    • LOL: ILANA Mercer
  29. repsinec says:
    @Robert Dolan

    Excellent presentation. I just have two related comments:
    1) The term “transgender” is void, because you cannot “transition” from one gender to the next. Just because you cut off your johnson doesn’t make you a woman, it makes you a man without a johnson.
    2) As for LGBTQ+, I prefer LGBTQQAINBS²+, ie: Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transsexual (sic), Queer, Questioning, Asexual, Intersex, Non-Binary, Special Snowflake-plus, with an emphasis on the BS².

    • LOL: GomezAdddams
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  30. Cowboy says:

    The abortion debate is already passe’.

    I’m confident that Big Pharma has a nice MRNA “vaccine” waiting to be deployed that will take care of the parasite.

    I suppose that will ease the conscience of some, I mean, how bad must a woman feel when she knows that the current techinques resemble something from medeval times when flesh and bone are ripped and chopped and sucked out in a tube?

    Thanks to technology, dispossesion can be quick and painless and with a little Soma maybe even pleasurable.

    • Replies: @John Parsons
  31. anon[102] • Disclaimer says:

    All you people ever do is talk. If the jews are so mean to you, why don’t you fight back?

    • Replies: @anon
  32. Trinity says:

    With so many methods of birth control why is abortion an issue?

    I laugh at the lie about so many Black women receiving abortions. Buwahaha. There was a 30 something year old welfare queen in Tampa a few years ago who had already pushed out 13 kids. And the Beaners can keep pace with the negro. Truth be told most women aborting kids are White and that is why the Jew and other anti White demons push abortion.

    Blacks and Browns are breeding at record levels so Ernestine and Juanita taint worried about abortion. Only ones that want other women to abort babies is ugly women with tons of emotional baggage.

    • Replies: @Anon
  33. @Cowboy

    Well, what with the fact most pregnant women who got the _clot shot_ lost their pregnancy through miscarriage, that qualifies vaccination as a means of abortion. And that means vaccine are a proven abortifacient, and therefore the states decide whether vaccines are legal- or not.

  34. @Priss Factor

    The issue is not black and white, no pun intended. My wife`s older co-worker had her husband perform an abortion in their bathroom in the mid 50s. They already had 4, she was stay at home, the husband was laid off from his not very well paying job, and they both believed that they literally could not afford another. It was an economic decision that she was not happy about having to make. Women become pregnant through rape. are they to relive the horror of that every time they look at the result of that rape? These and other situations have nothing to do with whether they are good mothers.

  35. Cowboy says:

    Ha! Wouldn’t that be a nice unintended consequence?

    But no, that can’t be the case since lord gawd fauci and the CDC tell us there are no harmful side effects and it is even safe for toddlers!

    I reckon it’s possible a State Health department head could break from the herd and declare it to be so in a State that outlaws abortion but from what I saw during the plandemic even in the reddest States these health department head all bowed before fauci.

  36. @Curmudgeon

    Christians like to talk about religious exemptions.

    Okay, how about religious exemptions for Jewesses and Satanists to kill their unborn kids?

    When it comes to rape, yeah, kill the rapist’s kid growing inside you. Hell with christ-cuck BS.

    Still, the reality is most abortions today aren’t done for economic reasons and rape-related abortions are rare. They are done because so many women are gross beasts who act like skanks and just want the kid vacuum sucked out of them. They are demented, and whole thing is sick…

    …but do we want such creatures to be mothers? HELL NO! Let them kill their kibblers.

  37. Emslander says:

    Myself, I don’t have sticky fingers and have no desire to control women’s wombs.

    Nor do I, but once another human life enters that womb, the woman has no right to end it. This is a unique responsibility to be sure, but it is a responsibility. There are rights and there are responsibilities.

    A man has the responsibility to support his wife and the children he has with her until they reach maturity.

    Women would not be such idiots if they carried out the natural functions of their lives, which is to nurture new human life. Giving them all of these other foolish jobs has been a total disaster. I’ve seen it from beginning up to now and it has been a misguided disaster that has mostly hurt the women themselves.

    • Thanks: Bro43rd
  38. Anon[669] • Disclaimer says:

    Can someone explain how states exercising their right to ban abortion is going to benefit me?

  39. Anon[669] • Disclaimer says:
    @Trinity

    “I laugh at the lie about so many Black women receiving abortions. Buwahaha. There was a 30 something year old welfare queen in Tampa a few years ago who had already pushed out 13 kids. And the Beaners can keep pace with the negro. Truth be told most women aborting kids are White and that is why the Jew and other anti White demons push abortion.”

    Claims that can be made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

  40. @Wilson

    Wilson, all U really R is….

    a post-birth foetus. And

    I’m glad your mommy didn’t abort you, even tho U R

    voll mit schiesse.

  41. If abortion worked as a method of eugenics, then why didn’t it work?

  42. @Vergissmeinnicht

    sorry Wilson, previous comment directed @ Vergissmeinnicht.

  43. buzweston says:
    @Vergissmeinnicht

    Changing the name of something doesn’t change what he/she is. Ripping her limb from limb without anesthesia is gruesome thing, no matter what you call the child.

    If you’re for it, then be proud of it, and call it what it is – the slaughter of children. As long as we’re at it, admit that you’re a horrible person, for anyone who supports this is a horrible person.

    • Replies: @Vergissmeinnicht
  44. @buzweston

    ‘Killing’ itself is NOT unethical: a lion kill his prey for food; a human is allowed to kill in self-defence etc.
    In fact, it still literally impossible to live at all without killing: every breath you take you’re killing micro-organisms…
    The only FUNDAMENTAL question is: does the life possess ‘personhood’? An embryo does not, for sure; whether a foetus/neonate do posssess ‘personhood’ is debatable – I’ve read many papers on that topic: most bio-ethicists are OK with foeticide, and many go further and are OK with infanticide (‘post-birth abortion’) even!

    It’s honestly ridiculous and hilarious ‘anti-killing’ platitudes coming from American Christians and/or conservatives, who, typically are for the Death Penalty and, definitely, eat meat!
    Deep down (a bit of ‘mind-reading’ from my part), such people are ‘anti-abortion’ because they believe ‘humans are special’: humans have souls!

    Sorry, buddy: There is no God and no souls.
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    P.S.: I do find abortion ‘disgusting’. But THAT is not an argument at all.
    P.P.S.: I wish that God existed.

  45. UR2 says:
    @Patrick Gibbs

    Good point! The only real solution is to return to the nuclear family which has worked for mankind from the beginning. Any sane version of the future must return there. Virginity before marriage; no divorce. Even the most primitive peoples vigorously protected their daughters and shunned no-good men. Cleaning up the filth is a start.. noting Russia increasingly legislating against pornography. How about mandatory prision time for the man involved with the unmarried girl who shows up pregnant.. DNA test put to work-

  46. Jokem says:

    When Dr Jerry Pournelle was alive, he said discussion of the subject of abortion generated more heat than light. Based upon what is seen here, he was right.

    • Replies: @RockaBoatus
  47. geokat62 says:

    Should Deranged, Moronic Females Really be Procreating?

    But who’s responsible for creating these deranged, moronic females, Ilana?

    The same group of people that was responsible for creating the New Soviet Man is responsible for creating the New Progressive Man. Both these creatures are (((Frankenstein’s))) monsters.

    Always lamenting the symptoms, but never identifying the causes.

  48. Kim says:

    Nobody “owns himself”. We live in families and societies. We all live, survive and prosper on the back of a general social effort. For that reason we all have obligations and responsibilities as well as rights.

    • Disagree: Bro43rd
  49. Anymike says:
    @Anon

    I’m over 70. I took the Modern mRNA shots, and I did understand how it worked. But I also considered one) that I never have had a bad reaction to a vaccine in my life and two) that I am over 70 and immune to the consequences that might affect younger people but not me. I would say, it’s the call of the person asked to take the vaccine.

    • Replies: @Kim
  50. Ghali says:

    Ilana Mercer is a very deranged woman. If there is justice in America, Mercer should be banned from hugging or near a BBC anywhere.

  51. “However much one disdains abortion, one can’t get away from the matter of self-ownership. You simply have no right to take custody of an adult’s body. An adult woman, however loathsome, either owns herself and everything inside her or doesn’t. You can’t “own” yourself with the exception of your uterus or in conjunction with other busybodies. Thus, theoretically, “Women have the right to screw and scrape out their insides to their heart’s content.” With a proviso: Americans who oppose abortion must be similarly respected in their rights of self-ownership.”

    The problem with this argument is that the ‘screwing and scraping out of their insides’ is that of another person. It may be in your body. It may be dependent on you. But it’s still another person. Women have no right to have that innocent person’s brains sucked out simply because they find their pregnancy inconvenient and want to play the whore with different guys.

    “Myself, I don’t have sticky fingers and have no desire to control women’s wombs. Let progressive women—especially the fulminating fiends twerking and tantruming across the country—suction their uteruses for all I care.”

    Maybe as a Jewess you don’t care because a whole lot of those babies are white? But I suppose you just might care if large numbers of Jewish women were also aborting their babies, eh? Having such a flippant attitude is indicative of the degenerate times we live in.

    Either way, a sane nation should care about its most innocent members and do everything it can to protect them. Granted, some of those babies might have turned out to be criminals or dishonorable people. Yet a good many of them could have also turned out as wonderful and high achieving persons.

    Whites are becoming minorities in the very countries they’ve founded, and it does our race little good to be aborting our future children for shameful and immoral reasons.

  52. A growing number think about the Jew in the same way you think about unborn babies; when the inevitable occurs and your kind are being culled we will simply say we don’t have sticky fingers and have no desire to control the ones doing the killing.

    • Agree: Bro43rd
  53. @Jokem

    You’re correct. More often than not, it does generate heat than light. But we’ve still got to face it, discuss it and, yes, even debate it even when it produces heat.

    • Replies: @Jokem
  54. @xyz234

    “Expect a bumper crop of criminals and welfare recipients to come out of this “victory” of the pro-life movement” – It’s a fair point you make, and it’s certainly a possibility. But another possibility is that those same Black women who want to abort their babies will be financially sponsored by a whole new industry of white liberal women who will pay for their abortions, including all travel expenses, any counseling they might need, and a generous stipend for their racial ‘pets.’

    Black women will milk it till it’s dry, and there will be plenty of white liberal do-gooders ready to help them travel to pro-abortion states. It will be the new ‘underground railroad.’ A lot of those same Black women will get an abortion out of spite against ‘whitey.’

    It’s possible now that as a result of SCOTUS’ most recent ruling we might even see an upsurge in Black abortions. Black women will still get to murder their babies, and white liberal women will feel so proud of themselves that they got to be a part of it all. It certainly warms the heart!

    • LOL: Lucius Vanini
  55. Nowhere in the constitution does it mention abortion so those claiming it’s violating constitutional rights are dumber than a dickless tranny. However it disallows the government from infringing on the right(s) to pursue ‘Life’, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.
    And as anyone knows who ever had child, ‘life’ begins at conception.

    As far as those twerking fat azz bwitches above, they should be rounded up and their tubes tied and never allowed to breed.

  56. IreneAthena says: • Website
    @Anon

    I would not be expecting a blue-state baby boom. —anon

    Those blue-haired freaky-looking people with multiple body piercings and multiple tattoos just can’t get enough of the needle, can’t they? No surprise they’ve gone in for multiple mRNA jabs, too. What has been surprising is the negative effect of those jabs on fertility.

    https://kanekoa.substack.com/p/covid-vaccines-and-infertility

  57. IreneAthena says: • Website
    @Anon

    I would not be expecting a blue-state baby boom. —anon

    Those Blue-staters including blue-haired freaky-looking people with multiple body piercings and multiple tattoos just can’t get enough of the needle, can’t they? No surprise they’ve gone in for multiple mRNA jabs, too. What has been surprising is the negative effect of those jabs on fertility.

    https://kanekoa.substack.com/p/covid-vaccines-and-infertility

  58. bert33 says:

    Begs a rewrite.

    Hey, 21st century, 8.1 billion people approximately, be smart, be responsible, and don’t expect the govt. to feed you and your offspring.

  59. I agree with Ms. Mercer’s article.

    I have a some questions for the pro-life crowd that’s apparently gone into womanly hysterics. If some Black fetal-alcohol syndrome kid is born into the world, who’s going to pay for for all of the expenses? You know that that this creature will receive not just free “education” but “special education” at extra expense. It will never contribute a thing to society and it will rely on the government, one way or another, to support if from the cradle to the grave. BTW special education in New York state costs \$32,359 per year per pupil, and I’m not even sure if free lunches and breakfasts are included in that total. Special education pupils can even stay in school up until age 21 (approximately 16-17 school years). The total cost of education from kintergarten until reacing age 21 would be approx \$32359 * 17 = \$517744. That’s just education. You can guarantee that the mother will receive various forms of welfare, food stamps and subsidized housing. Once the creature becomes and adult he or she is almost guaranteed to receive welfare of some sort. Are you OK inflicting this state of affairs on those of us who do not want to pay for this? May God forgive me, but I confess that this state of affairs angers me and I don’t want to pay a single cent.

    Next question: supposing that in some cosmic sense, abortion is morally the equivalent of murder, then why would I share the blame for murder just because I will not stand in someone else’s way? Human sacrifice seems murdery to me but, if I were exploring some remote jungle and witnessed some primitive tribe practising it, I wouldn’t do anything to stop it, just as I won’t stop predators from preying on other animals. If there is a cosmic moral order, I’m not it’s personal enforcer. Why would God, the gods, or whatever you believe in, want me to occupy that role?

    • Thanks: HammerJack
    • Replies: @Jokem
    , @Bardon Kaldlan
  60. Abortion is a crime, except in cases of rape, incest, serious threat to the life of the expectant mother or serious handicap of the embryo. In all other cases, in this age of easily available means of anticonception, there is no excuse for abortion.

    That often it is the morally less desirable women who have an abortion could be an eugenic argument in favor for it, but should be rejected for moral reasons.

    Is there another way to achieve an eugenic advantage by preventing the birth of undesirable progeny? Yes, I think there is. Why not condemning every person, whether male or female, guilty of a serious crime apart from jail time, also to MANDATORY STERILIZATION? That would have the eugenic effect without resorting to the crime of abortion.

    Another (harmless) way would be to give a FREE BASIC INCOME to every person too lazy to work, provided he or she has him or herself be sterilized. Persons on welfare for more than 3 years should also be included.

    Within one generation that would free society not only of most of its criminals but also of most of its worthless and not a single person would be killed.

    • Replies: @Francis Miville
  61. Let the skanks and black whore kill their devil’s spawn.

    Fetosuction is good for society.

    Ending abortion in Southern states will lead to black wenches having more kids to grow into thugs and Democrats.

    White skanks will give birth to antifa scum and the like.

    Let the demon skanks kill their demon brood.

    But these Christ-cucks are just as full of BS as ‘woke’ types. They ignore reality and just care about the FEEEEEEELINGS.

    Besides, if we wanna get Biblical, remember God killed the Egyptian first borns. He was a baby killer.

    Always tell a degenerative, ‘you should have been aborted’ and ‘you should kill your fetus because you’re unfit to be a mother’.

    Let the green haired tattooed skank bitches kill their own kids.

    • Agree: Kim, Lucius Vanini
    • Replies: @Lucius Vanini
  62. jihadijew says:

    Ilana Mercer, A Zionaist cow, and daughter of Rabbi from South Africa (the diamond connection) has been fooling people to be an independent Journalist. Her famous articles discuss virtues of democracy in Greater Israel.
    She does not want to disclose her connection with ADL.

    • Troll: follyofwar
    • Replies: @cohen
    , @Raju
  63. GMC says:

    ” Why would you want these Feral Animals – reproducing ” ? — Ilana Mercer – LOL LOL =Priceless. Good interview video.

  64. Mark G. says:

    Whether or not abortion should be illegal and what level of government the decision should be made at are really two separate issues. On the second issue, where people stand depends a lot on the bigger question of whether you think individual rights are more endangered by state governments and therefore need to be protected by the federal government or vice versa.

    The Constitution was meant to be a list of what the federal government can do and deciding what is or isn’t a crime was left largely to the states. When exceptions were made, such as laws pertaining to whether alcohol or slavery was legal, amendments were added. This could be done in the case of abortion. Roe vs Wade was an invalid decision.

    From a practical standpoint, leaving more decisions up to the states would be a good idea. If people don’t like a law or government policy, they can vote with their feet. It is easier to move from one state to another than to a completely different country. Governments are less likely to violate the rights of productive tax paying citizens if they know they can move away.

  65. Hideous racism, plus misogyny and class hatred-the full Rightwing package.

    • Troll: Automatic Slim, TKK
    • Replies: @Kim
  66. @UR2

    What a fool! The ‘nuclear’ family is a recent invention. Before it we had extended families, of several generations, including cousins etc, and before that tribes and the like. ‘Nuclear’ families are mostly property arrangements, not nurturing environments.

    • Agree: Drapetomaniac
  67. @UR2

    Let us know when your move into a Detroit housing project and start holding out your hands. You self righteous little prick.

    • Agree: WSG
    • Replies: @UR2
  68. @Reg Cæsar

    Not “inferior”, that’s the wrong word.

    The eagle and the eagle’s egg are desirable, a good thing, what we want, because they are rare; there are not enough eagles.

    Rats, pigeons, junkies’ foetuses are in many circumstances undesirable, a bad thing, precisely what we don’t want, because there are so many of them that they are a problem, or because they are going to cost the taxpayer a lot of money.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  69. @Vergissmeinnicht

    Rightists oppose abortion mostly out of misogyny. They are generally gun nuts, which weapon has no other purpose but intimidation and killing, they favour US aggression, killing millions, including sanctions, and are for as much poverty, inequality and childhood misery as can be inflicted without causing the serfs to rise up. And they slaver over the prospect of billions burning in Hell for ETERNITY for not holding their loathsome ‘religious’ prejudices.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  70. @UR2

    Prison for a man getting a woman pregnant but not for the woman huh? You sound alike like one of those man hating femnazis.

  71. @Patrick Gibbs

    It did. The population of blacks is 50% lower than it would be otherwise. Hope you enjoy living in Mogadishu USA.

    • Agree: Bardon Kaldian
    • Replies: @Francis Miville
  72. @Patrick Gibbs

    This is the salient point; all those fetuses, autonomies and murders
    are the Emperor´s beard.
    There cannot be a “right” to shitting defectives any more than a “right”
    of “career” women to withholding their genes (or, having had careers,
    “self-actualize” by conceiving past expiry date -> defectives).
    Having thus achieved Maximum Illibertariacy ™ I rest my case 😀

  73. There’s ethics and there’s expediency. Utilitarianism worked fine for the USA but utilitarians don’t get that there’s no trade with the devil. Making moral compromises always lead to him bagging your soul.
    When you keep doing things that work, as Dugin put it, instead of things that are morally right, you end up losing moral compass and you end up with a dysfunctional society b/c there is no functional society made of individuals without moral compass. That’s why you have the America you have today. It’ll take a lot more than one Clarence Thomas, who happens to be black btw, to fix it.

  74. anonymous[429] • Disclaimer says:

    That last video was painful to watch. Both vermin talking over each other, weird accents, stuttering speech…

    What the fuck was that? You expect your readers/watchers to take you seriously as intellectuals?

    Lol!

  75. @Haxo Angmark

    Too lazy Too stupid to use birth control.

  76. anonym123 says:
    @spacewanderer

    I sense a subtle dig at Islam. 🙂

    Remember, the true monotheism of Islam is wrong about, Nothing!! It is the only way, or the Hell-way.

    All you pagan godless vermin can enjoy a bit here, but a world of unimaginable torment awaits later.

    • Thanks: Emslander
    • LOL: Automatic Slim
  77. Nemo361 says:

    And here is where the libertarian argument falls apart…. Women “owning themselves” to the extent that they can run around making babies with savages then force the society around them to live next to them cannot be allowed if any society is to continue at a level greater than hunter-gatherer. No, women *cannot* be allowed to own themselves as they conduct themselves as children, act like children, and demand that their existence bear no consequences particularly long term consequences just like a child. A woman who owns herself decides she likes to shag dindu nuffins 1, 2, and 3. And lets say she’s got money and doesn’t even rely on social welfare (so as to eliminate that argument) to raise them. Irrelevant. Her little brood of future thieves, rapists and murderers will live, grow and destroy the society around them. A society in which *my children* will be victimized because she has been propagandized by Jewish bankers to want black dick. No thanks.

    Women in a stable society need to be very tightly controlled, period.

    • Troll: mulga mumblebrain
    • Replies: @goeshittheragman
  78. “Beware: Babies born to “spiteful mutant s” will likely be a lot like their mothers, who are not in God’s image. A medal to the man who gets on top of such putrid flesh for his jollies.”

    A girl after my heart. All the makings of a prolific author of erotic novels.

  79. ED SKI says:

    These protests are unleashed upon command. These protestors are merely following orders. The cause of their anger is irrelevant since they are basically ‘actors’. I knew this was orchestrated when the SC leak hit the media. They telegraphed their intent. This whole charade is a cover for Biden’s failed policies, and an excuse to defund police and declare Martial Law. The Court did not say abortion was good or bad. They court merely said it was up to each state to decide how they would legally categorize it.

  80. G. Poulin says:

    Most of us have learned, the hard way, the Prime Directive : never stick it in the crazy. Nobody wants to bang these ugly frothing bitches. That’s one of the reasons they walk around in a rage 24/7.

  81. We all come through the woman fellas.

    Overcome her. Be born again of your Father.

  82. Jay Fink says:

    I generally agree with Mercer. I consider myself pro-abortion from a right wing perspective. Less abortion equals more criminals, welfare recipients and an all around bad quality of people. That being said I would prefer sterilization over abortion as the means to stop bad people from reproducing. For example we could cut future crime by sterilizing all violent felons.

  83. What effect does a black criminal killing (self-defence) another black criminal have on the crime rate?

    Then, there is the creative way that police departments massage their crime statistics to make themselves look good before their political employers.

  84. This article affirms what the heart of the abortion controversy really is, hatred of the life-affirming power of sexual pleasure, the greatest antidote there is to the death cult of Christianity and the oppressive social order spawned by that ancient superstition. Keep people frustrated and confused about enjoying the thing that is the best part of inhabiting a fragile, mortal human skin, and you have an easily controlled population of heartbroken souls too wounded and too angry to see what’s really being done to them.

    • Replies: @Kim
    , @follyofwar
  85. Towey says:
    @Robert Dolan

    It is the WASPS that have always been the patsies for the usurers. It is WASPS with their idiotic belief in democracy and the heresy of liberalism have been responsible for the deaths of more white Europeans than any other group.
    Democracy is your periodic acceptance of your status as a bond slave. Americans fought and died for that ‘right.’

  86. Science says:
    @Haxo Angmark

    The baby being aborted has DNA that is distinct from the mother and the father; it is unique.

    SCIENCE says it is not her body.

  87. Emslander says:
    @Patrick Gibbs

    If abortion worked as a method of eugenics, then why didn’t it work?

    Abortion is the most heinous of murders, because it kills a life before it has the chance to be baptized and have its soul saved. That’s where I start.

    However, you eugenicists fail to understand that abortions leave women fertile for greater spans of their lives. A woman has an early abortion and she is fertile within a month or two. Didn’t think of that, did you?

    Abortion is a terrible contraceptive in that regard.

  88. Kim says:
    @Anymike

    It isn’t a vaccine. It is an untested mRNA big pharma product. It is making people sick and killing them.

    People in good health, without serious problems such as Alzheimer’s, heart disease, leukemia and diabetes, were in little danger of death from covid yet every effort was made to force people to take this untested pharma product.

    Few people under the age of 65 should even have considered it.

    • Replies: @Anymike
  89. Kim says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    lol. This is an act you are putting on, right?

    • Replies: @schnelladine
    , @nokangaroos
  90. Kim says:
    @UR2

    The state should criminally punish all parties to adultery in marriage and wronged parties must be able to sue for appropriate damages.

    If my marriage is smashed and I suffer divorce, the adulterer must be made to bear some of the very great financial costs arising from his or her actions.

    • Agree: TKK, Bardon Kaldian
    • LOL: RoatanBill
    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
    , @TKK
  91. @Nemo361

    Very well said sir. It’s been known since antiquity that women as a group fall somewhere between children and adults, not being fully either. Their entire existence is that of nurturer. If they go beyond that narrow limitation, imposed by nature, not men, chaos ensues as we see today.

    • Agree: Kim
  92. @Curmudgeon

    Give the baby to the rapist for him to suckle him with his most intimate cream and to bottle-feed him if he still cries for food. The woman should sign a discharge so as never to see it again : the fruit of her womb is the rapist’s entire fault : he should remain under house arrest to carry out his duty until the child earns a better revenue than he ever did. Rabbis suck off Jewish babies’ blood right after circumcision, don’t they? My opinion is that such a humiliating penalty would have far more deterrent effect than death. Abortion is not a solution : abortion begets ever more carefree sex which begets both ever more abortions and ever more unwanted, stunted, miscegenated children.

  93. Anonymous[382] • Disclaimer says:

    What is left out are the thousands of paid protesters that show up with pre-prepared signs that are made to look homemade. They are acting.

    I remember a video of the protest in Charlottesville years ago showing people exiting a bus going in two separate lines. Each separated group received either pro or anti signs.
    Many modern protests are staged for video and propaganda with paid protesters.

  94. “Kevin Myers, former Irish Times columnist, banished from ossifying circles for telling the truth:

    This is completely false,

    Kevin Myers was banished because he made a comment about Jews that was deemed to be beyond the pale,

    In a discussion about rates of pay for female presenters in the BBC Mr Myers simply noted that Jewish people were not renowned for accepting anything less that the top rate of pay,

    That’s why he was banished, he said something true that Jews didn’t like,

    I laughed at the time because Myers is such an ass licker of the Jews but that still couldn’t save him.

  95. @Abelard Lindsey

    His argument, if I recall, is that it was actually the relatively responsible black women who get the abortions, since they were future-oriented (“I gots ta get some schoolin’”) It was an incredibly weak argument, and I remember thinking, “This guy is a closet Christian.” But that’s the only indication of being a closet Christian he’s ever made.

    • Replies: @Abelard Lindsey
  96. @Franklin Ryckaert

    Abortion is essentially the convenient way of doing away with an inconvenient witness of one’s own wrongdoings. A deep state aiming at doing away with inconvenient witnesses of his own wrongdoings always manages to make abortion as legal, free and normal as possible so as to make his own new normal normal.

  97. “Since then, 55% of black pregnancies get aborted compared to a third of Hispanics and 11% of white.”

    That’s one way to keep black and brown populations in check … the old Harry in black coat achieved more than any klansman in white hood could have done.

  98. Jackson63 says:

    When have women ever been sovereign in anything? A technologically advanced society—built by men—creates an illusion of “sovereignty” for women.

    I have always been pro-choice: to be a slut or not to be. Once a gal chooses to spread her legs, there are consequences. I can choose to walk off the roof of a 20-story building, but there will be consequences.

  99. @Robert Dolan

    Organized jewry is all about getting as many non-whites into America as possible and they are certainly not a bit worried about it “getting out of control!”

    What would you call BLM rioting and burning and looting and killing people in the streets?
    That’s not out of control? Dude….the jews LOVE inciting blacks to run amok…..the jew media works overtime to crank up the dumb blacks so they go jungle hysterical and stomp white people to death in the streets.

    I’d like to nail this as hyperbole but the basic fact is that—however inflammatory—it’s accurate. The owners of the MSM could have spent the past few decades helping to consolidate the American population as it was — roughly 90% white and 10% black — and emphasized to blacks how far they’d come and how much better their position was than in their ancestral homelands.

    Instead they did the exact opposite. At every turn, they’ve done everything within their considerable power to get all Americans at one another’s throats.

    And as though that weren’t enough, imported tens of millions of third-world migrants to make sure things will never be the same again.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  100. @Anonymous

    No, hell no. Free abortion is the ultimate encouragement to cheap easy irresponsible sex. Cheap easy irresponsible sex means both more abortions, and more cheap, taxpayer-funded, easy irresponsible brat births. If you make abortion not so easily available again, you make sex in ghettoes not so easily available neither.

  101. I have to confess to thinking that most screaming and multiple abortions hags should be sterilized. Nor should they be allowed to have pets or houseplants. Theoretically blacks are their pets, but they can still have them. They can also have their beloved work cubicle. Although with the cubicle you have to wonder how good they are at working since they seem incapable responsibly managing their own body and choices. Of course this incompetence might go a long way in explaining the need for H-1 visas.

  102. @Priss Factor

    Obvious solution is to permit abortions but sterilize the woman, who’s proven herself irresponsible. It’s not as though the planet needs more useless children, especially with irresponsible parents.

  103. @Curmudgeon

    Women become pregnant through rape. are they to relive the horror of that every time they look at the result of that rape?

    I.think that’s a good point, but it may be a fine line between that and women who have “regret sex” of one kind or another. Which is a lot of women.

    Our media mavens and otters keep telling women that they can (should!) be as irresponsible as possible, and “society” will take care of any consequences.

  104. @xyz234

    Expect a bumper crop of criminals and welfare recipients to come out of this “victory” of the pro-life movement.

    Get a grip on yourself, and look at the facts.

    Many of the most populous states already have abortion-on-demand written into law. Some of them finance the abortions for those too “poor” to pay for them—i.e., blacks, other minorities, aliens, and white girls who don’t want to tell their parents that they’ve been screwing black boys—and all of them have Planned Parenthood and similar clinics where abortions are given away for a hundred bucks or less, no questions asked.

    Other states will be passing abortion-on-demand legislation in the months to come. Then, as many others have already remarked, there is always mass transit for the rest.

    Overall, it is likely that there will be a decline in the number of abortions in the coming year, but there is no reason to suppose it will exceed a few thousand. Furthermore, most of those who don’t get abortions will be white girls and women. Fingers crossed that at least a few of them will have gotten pregnant by white fathers.

  105. @RockaBoatus

    Black women will milk it till it’s dry, and there will be plenty of white liberal do-gooders ready to help them travel to pro-abortion states. It will be the new ‘underground railroad.’ A lot of those same Black women will get an abortion out of spite against ‘whitey.’

    Black women will abort their black babies to spite whitey. That’s not even remotely logical.

    Note to careful readers: “otters” in the previous post is a stupid autocorrect. Supposed to be “others” of course.

    • Agree: Lucius Vanini
    • Replies: @RockaBoatus
  106. This ruling on abortion by a theocratic cabal dressed in black robes has little to do with anything whatsoever except two things.

    1) The white population of the US has diminished and is continuing to diminish to where it will soon be less than half the total. Therefore: more children. Which means no or far fewer abortions.

    2) There is a massive world war getting underway and soldiers are needed. Therefore – more children.

    The rest is banal window dressing of the lowest order. It’s a diktat by the military state that is the USA.

    It’s paradoxically related to LGTBQ rights. No one gives a hoot about gays, lesbians, trannies, cross-dressers etc. They simply have so many overweight, unfit, drug-addicted (many through prescriptions) and criminally convicted men that they need to take anyone desperate and foolish enough to go bleed and die for a few zillionaire and hedge fund weenie fortunes. Since children, preferably white, are desperately needed, better to let the unfit deviants go get killed off by bullets and shrapnel rather than risk the precious greatly diminished breeding stock. Who are so destroyed economically and spiritually.by the ludicrous society in which they live that they must be forced to reproduce by making abortion and soon contraceptives illegal.

  107. The Israelites were commanded by God to go into the towns and cities of their enemies and “kill every man woman and child” because the child will grow up to be their demise if they didn’t. Same thing here. Let the progressives kill their offspring while we produce more like-minded children. Unfortunately it’s the other way around at this point. The dregs of society reproduce like cockroaches while whites are encouraged to have less children because of climate change.

  108. @HammerJack

    I so agree! The faux “conservative” not-so-Supreme Court has now made the black problem worse, as Ilana has argued so persuasively and bravely (by bringing up the sacred cow of race).

    And I’ll point out that this ridiculous decision may well cost the Republicans the upcoming election – an election that they should win handily. Two thirds of women, who comprise the majority of voters, are against overturning Roe. They are one issue voters and can’t be moved by logic, just as they don’t see the contradiction of requiring forced vaccination and while screaming “my body, my choice” on abortions.

    And they are now more motivated to vote than ever. Republican talking heads are publicly overjoyed by the decision, but, behind closed doors, they must be terrified that the Court may have given the Biden Regime two more years to further weaken their party (they care all that much for the country).

    I wonder if Trump’s predominantly White MAGA voters are happy that their fearless leader insisted that his 3 SC picks be opposed to Roe? Well, most aren’t very smart to begin with.

    • Agree: Charon
  109. Kim says:
    @Observator

    “hatred of the life-affirming power of sexual pleasure”

    It seems kind of hard to claim it is “life-affirming” when every possible effort is made to prevent this pleasure from resulting in actual life.

  110. @Observator

    It’s not just Christianity, Observator, but also Judaism, with its centuries long religious mandate of baby boy circumcision. This demonic act greatly weakens a man’s ability to experience the joy of orgasm (among other things), though most cut men refuse to believe it. They live in denial, in a circumcision coma. If cut men only understood what genital mutilation had done to them, they would never allow it to be done to their sons.

  111. @Hangnail Hans

    “Black women will abort their black babies to spite whitey. That’s not even remotely logical” – Sure it is. My point is that the abortion industry will continue in spite of the recent ruling. White liberals will make sure it does by providing for themselves and Black women all sorts of resources to do so. It will also serve as an opportunity for Black women to abort their babies as a form of “F*** You!” to the white man’s system. Blacks often do things as means of expressing their contempt for the white man, and abortion is no different in this respect.

    • LOL: Lucius Vanini
  112. @Kim

    Miss Mumblebrain is only right about one issue, and that’s the J question. On every other topic she is a very liberal, anti-American, anti-white poltroon.

  113. @Priss Factor

    Your insane, hyperbolic, out of touch and self-serving comments on this thread indicate that you are one of the very types the author was writing about.

    You simply conjure fantasies of how the world is and present them as real. NO, they are your delusions and you’re too far gone to realize that. I’ll bet we could raise the funds right here on UR to pay for your tubes to be tied, tightly. Winning!

  114. Until now I knew nothing about Ilana Mercer. After this article, and finding some of her other writings and tweets, I’m glad to have her on our side.

    • Thanks: ILANA Mercer
  115. “Still, the reality is most abortions today aren’t done for economic reasons and rape-related abortions are rare. They are done because so many women are gross beasts who act like skanks and just want the kid vacuum sucked out of them. They are demented, and whole thing is sick…”

    Where is the lie?

  116. @Kim

    Even if you were a lousy lover and weren’t taking care of business properly?

    • LOL: Truth
    • Replies: @Kim
  117. ricpic says:

    “…America’s manifestly silly sex….”

    If only. If they only were silly instead of ferocious, which is what women really are.

  118. The ruling isn’t going to change things very much. Women who want to kill their kid will still be able to do so.

    IMHO, the reason for the jew media raising such a stink is to try to rally the left for the midterms because Biden has totally destroyed the economy.

    • Replies: @anon
  119. Cowboy says:

    I love me some Gary Barnett:

    Oh, the frivolous nature of the gullible masses, the uncertainty of right and wrong, the immediate acceptance by half the population at every court session, the unconditional acceptance by each side of the political spectrum after each decision in their favor; all amidst the very nefarious and completely illogical workings of an openly corrupt and politically motivated cast of bought and paid for judges. The ‘Supreme’ Court mirrors the ignorant public; how else could the hypocrisy, contradiction, evil intent, and obvious collusion of nine judges not be seen as the fraudulent political spectacle that it is?

  120. @Curmudgeon

    Agree and appreciate the real world story.

    This issue brings out the absolute crazy in people. They don’t think they’re crazy but, they are. The very idea that people think they have the right to be involved in the pregnancies of others is bizarre beyond words. That was largely not the case is the 70s, 80s and 90s when people believed they weren’t in a position to dictate to others; that pregnancies were private matters.

    But, the evangelical crowd got hyper-organized and well-funded and have brow-beaten the public to make them believe they do have that right. People, being as weak-minded and hypocritically moralistic as they are, have jumped on that bandwagon with sick glee. The vast majority of them not even understanding the slightest about reproduction as they make obvious in their ignorant comments.

    Rather than the silly ideas put up here about making a rapist take baby and raise it (do you see about the crazy I mean?), here’s a better one: As states go about dealing with this issue, ultimately, they should put it to a voter referendum. Two options:
    1 – You vote for the option of abortion with defined limits.
    2 – Or, you vote against the abortion option and agree to pay 3% more in state income taxes to pay for the pregnancy, birth and care of the child of all the additional births. Your name is attached to your vote and you then get the payroll deductions. That stays in place until there is another referendum to which you may vote differently.

    Now, exactly how many empty virtue signaling, morally relative do-gooders do you think would vote for option #2? ALOT fewer would. They are fake in their pure intentions and that referendum would prove it.

  121. @Wilson

    I think you said something interesting but, it’s incomplete and vague.

    Example: “When else does a judge let someone off on the grounds that they own themselves?”

    Let someone off for what? What judge, what charges?

    Also, when has the Govt ever mandated abortions?

  122. anon[806] • Disclaimer says:
    @Robert Dolan

    it makes me cringe when cuckservative christians make the argument “liberals are the real racists look how many black babies were aborted”……. there’s enough chaos already, imagine what america would look like if all the those extra nigglets were not aborted. part of me thinks this abortion ruling is a way for Big Nosebergstein to increase the nigger population?

    • Replies: @Jay Fink
  123. “However much one disdains abortion, one can’t get away from the matter of self-ownership. You simply have no right to take custody of an adult’s body. An adult woman, however loathsome, either owns herself and everything inside her or doesn’t. You can’t “own” yourself with the exception of your uterus or in conjunction with other busybodies.”

    Just a note:

    No one is controlling a woman’s body. The libertarian whine is simply a straw argument and one I would have thought you would no better than to employ. There is only one circumstance in which a woman does not have ownership of her body and that is the physical act of rape.

    No one is forcing any woman to have relations leading to the conception of another human being which by the way is not the woman’s body. But a separate individual. And that person is entitled to life and the protection of the same even from the mother.

    It’s not her uterus that is in question. It is the child that resides therein and like all children living in homes that don’t own or control they are entitled to protection.

    “Have we not just lived through three years during which the Pharma State has consolidated power as never before? On pain of taking the Covid jab, the state has de facto established license to shutter a subject’s business, deny him freedom of movement, quarantine, fire, and separate him from loved ones. Arrests of political opponents without due process have become more common in police state America than in Apartheid-era South Africa (which, as chronicled in Into The Cannibal’s Pot, was surprisingly legalistic and by-the-book). On a serious country’s scale of priorities, abortion would not rate a mention.”

    Excuse me, but state power is akin to that of apartheid SA is nonsense. Furthermore the state power as it is today is the result of 9/11 and the patriot act and it’s children’s.

    —————

    As for the silliness regarding skin color —-

    in all things leadership, including the notion that murdering a child in the womb is ok . . . white IQ continues to amaze to disappointment.

    Next thing you’ll be contending that Wall Street should be bailed out for for mismanaging the nation’s finances.

  124. @Anonymous

    Yet more of the psycho sickness possessed by too many is evidenced in this morally relativist lecture.

    Any person who believes that a raped woman should be required to carry a baby to term is demented beyond words. A lobotomy is in order for such people who think that way. Even that may not help.

    Additionally, where is your commentary about the lout who recklessly impregnated her? He is as much responsible as she and yet, you completely let him off the hook. More psycho sickness…

    If there is no birth control measure for her to use at a time when sex is desired then the pregnancy prevention responsibility SHIFTS TO HIM. Are you mature enough to understand that? There is only one thing that needs to not happen in all the physical fun two people can have — he needs TO NOT inseminate her.

    Let me make it even simpler for you. Not my quote but, it is a profound and accurate one — “All unintended pregnancies are a result of irresponsible ejaculation”.

    After you pick yourself up off the floor because that concept never occurred to your misogynistic self, I’m open to any honest discussion.

  125. Bo Bo says:

    I have the perfect solution to stop abortion and preserve the female’s right to f*ck. Young females, starting about 10 yrs old or so, should be vaccinated with a long-term enduring contraceptive medicine. If everyone has to be vaccinated for COVID, then why not a long-term enduring contraceptive for females??? The contraceptive medicine, if developed as I envision, should be reversible by a counter vaccination when a female wants a baby and can demonstrate they can support it without requiring tax payers to pay for the child’s support and upbringing,

    • Replies: @anon
  126. @Priss Factor

    I disagree. Most of these evil nasty demonic woke bitches are descended from reasonably normal ancestors. There is no reason to assume that their offspring will be the same because of genetics. Something else is at work here (propaganda, fashion, etc.) that is breeding these moronic ugly harridans and that is what has to be dealt with. But is it too late? The plague is spreading globally, somewhere faster, somewhere slower, from its origin in the Babylon of the West.

  127. cohen says:
    @jihadijew

    This Ilana reminds of Judith Miller of NYT. A Zionist mole disguising as a reporter. Selling her body for inside information, Scooter and some old senator from Michigan.
    She wrote a “best selling book” Germ before invasion of Iraq. Now she is a “journalist” where she got expertise in germ and bio. Israeli and Pentagon provided information. The books became best seller thanks to Zionist and Israeli Citisen Sheldon Adelson Las Vegas operative, the book hit NYT bestseller. ADL was the major buyer of he book.

    Donald Rumsfeld used to leak Sadam’s weapons of mass destruction to Judith of NYY and next day used to quote NYT and his source of information. That is how you play the game and take the fool for a ride.

    As you suggested this “Zionist cow” is a front for ADL who would support and fund such journalist. Most of her grunt work is done by ADL volunteer and is also supported by Israeli agencies. One will never find her uttering antyhing negative about Israel and contrarily always praises for democracy in Israel.

    You may be upto something by mentioning her South Africa connection and Rabbi dad. Connect the dots. Jewish Rabba and South Africa/now in US. a boiling put with full of Zionist.

  128. @The Real World

    Your “option 2” is already the default…..non-white births are subsidized in every way that organized jewry could imagine and implement in order to fuck white people over.

    White taxpayers are already financing the explosion of non-white births and the support of the invaders coming over the border.

  129. Alvin says:
    @Robert Dolan

    He never uses the word jew in that video or virtually anywhere else. That’s the problem with Taylor. Avoiding the J word when discussing lgbtq, CRT, or BLM/Antifa agenda without mentioning jews is like writing about crime, welfare, or broken families/absent fathers and never mentioning blacks.

  130. Regarding late term abortions, a plausible explanation of how the fetus gets rights: the development of the cerebral cortex. This part of the brain is the source of the capacity for choice; before the cerebral cortex choice is not possible and rights cannot hold. After its development, the fetus becomes a human being and acquires natural rights.

    This physiological development occurs at about 6 months.

  131. “Any person who believes that a raped woman should be required to carry a baby to term is demented beyond words. A lobotomy is in order for such people who think that way. Even that may not help.”

    As tragic as the matter is

    the murder of children in or out of the womb should be against the law, even in cases of rape where pregnancy is very rare.

    ————————————

    “Additionally, where is your commentary about the lout who recklessly impregnated her? He is as much responsible as she and yet, you completely let him off the hook. More psycho sickness…”

    I beg your pardon. Her body her choice. Unless they discussed the matter of children, but instead were merely in it for the enjoyment . . . the baby is her problem. I find it amazing how quickly the liberal mind is to jump ship from their premises.

    I am of course assuming it is your premise. It certainly is generally the case. But if a man cannot have a voice in the child’s birth or care should she choose to give birth as she should — I am at a loss why there is any demand by women that he foot the bill.

    • Agree: Kim
    • Replies: @goeshittheragman
  132. No, you missed the point. Taxes are what they are and anyone who votes for Option #2 in the referendum has to pay an additional 3% (should be more like 5%) in state taxes to finance their virtue signaling “choice”, if it passes.

    That is where the rubber meets the road – when people have to PAY for what they claim they support. You and I both know, in that scenario, the majority would vote for Option #1 in most states and it would pass.

    That is how deep peoples convictions are — as in: shallow.
    America is overrun with moralizing frauds.

  133. @The Real World

    I realize it wasn’t clear that I switched to another scenario where this paragraph began.

    Additionally, where is your commentary about the lout who recklessly impregnated her?

    From there on down, I was speaking about the usual circumstances for which unintended pregnancies occur which are, voluntary sexual situations of two people.

  134. @EliteCommInc.

    Many women have been impregnated by siting on filthy toilet seat a man has recently masturbated on. Although I’m usually against abortion, I think in that case, they should be allowed an abortion.

    • Replies: @Truth
  135. In answer to the title…. No.

  136. Cowboy says:

    BTW, ‘The Supreme’ court just fucked over the Indians, again.

    In a titillatingly close decision, 5-4, the Indians get fucked again.

    Wow! That was a close call!

  137. anon[397] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bo Bo

    covid vaxxine/mRNA should fit the bill.

  138. Jokem says:
    @RockaBoatus

    I suggest doing that is nearly impossible. When wild temper tantrums replace reasoned discussion no progress on the matter will happen.

  139. Jokem says:
    @shadowy_figure

    It will never contribute a thing to society and it will rely on the government, one way or another, to support if from the cradle to the grave.

    That may not be true. I claim the whole matter is thoroughly politicized which limits such programs effectiveness. There are some limited successes, but getting politics out of it is problematic.

  140. @Abelard Lindsey

    You are right about Freakonomics. Steve Sailer is a brilliant man and I have learned much from him but his response to Freakonomics was incorrect.

  141. @Emslander

    Murders should also be downgraded to misdemeanors if eugenic
    i.e. contrary to current practice leniency shall be dispensed because
    the victim, and not because the perpetrator, was a Missing Link
    (as with abortion in practice nothing much would change but the
    incentives would be less perverse).

  142. “Jews say, goyim obey” on steroids.

    Now, mind-buggering the kids. Like parents like kids. Goy adults easily brainwashed by Jews and offer up their kids to Jewish Supremacists. And of course, no mention of what Jews do to Palestinians. Instead, support Israel cuz it’s got massive homo parades.

    Under Jews, America is Sodomerica. Whites have no agency. A cuckasian race.

  143. Not everyone who engages in a heated debate is necessarily committing a “temper tantrum.” Sometimes a heated discussion has served as the impetus for people to rethink their position. It will cause some to look deeper at such matters. In some instances, they will come to the other position and will thank the person who had the courage to discuss such a controversial subject with them.

    Granted, this won’t always be the case, but the subject is worth vigorously debating. Anything worth discussing is in many cases also worth debating.

    There’s also the life principle that what one might reject today may be accepted tomorrow as more light is given. It’s not always futile.

    • Agree: TKK, InnerCynic
    • Replies: @Jokem
  144. @Kim

    Mulga is not stupid but her Righteous Indignation ™ points
    to a certain youth .. not everybody can be Statler & Waldorf,
    you know 😉

  145. Truth says:
    @goeshittheragman

    Happens fifty, sixty times a day in America.

  146. UR2 says:
    @David Burberry

    Really, I’m trying to insist to myself that l must hold out my hand to the repulsive and deplorable. I am far from succeeding in this and l don’t mind you calling me out on it. But, the individual must be appreciated with consideration and their fate not lost in the overwhelming forest of despair.
    Consider my large high school graduating class in 1972: 1 girl only was pregnant. Abortion was still illegal everywhere. Its obvious to me that the presence of legalized abortion made it 100% easier for everyone (including myself) to say yes instead of no to sex thereafter. That precious, holy, procreative moment of love with my wedded beloved traded for what? heartless, physical self-satisfaction on everyones part-

    • Replies: @Jokem
  147. Dumbo says:

    1) I doubt these women have a lot of sex, but I could be wrong. I think is more the idea of not being able to get rid of imaginary unwanted babies after lots of imaginary sex.

    2) Look, abortion is bad in itself. Plus, it promotes more irresponsible sex and more abortions, and more bad behaviour by sluts. But, even if it didn’t, since it’s an evil, it’s not good from the start, since evil cannot beget good, it only begets more evil.

    3) Rape could be a case for legal abortion, but it’s very rare that rape will get women pregnant. Plus, a lot of women lie about rape. They would lie about rape to get an abortion. “My boyfriend raped me”.

    4) A lot of men push women to get abortions. So it’s just not women’s fault, or “my body, my choice”. It’s not wanting any responsibility.

    5) I know more than one woman who had an abortion and became infertile after that. So it does affect women, and not just mentally.

    6) The solution is not abortion, but going back to a morality of slut-shaming and shaming philanderers. But good luck with that at this point, when they are pushing even worse things (LGBTEtc)

  148. Jay Fink says:
    @Curmudgeon

    Liberals often bring up aborting in the case of rape and this is a rare time I am in agreement with liberals. Yet the same liberals are very soft on crime, including rape. We could have rapists locked up for life or we could castrate them. Instead liberals want them out on the street ready to rape their next victim. Also notice in Europe leftists have no problem with Muslim immigrants raping women.

    • Replies: @Anonydog
  149. Jay Fink says:
    @anon

    My impression is Unz is the only place you find conservatives who see the benefits of abortion. The rest of the conservative internet is anti-abortion without any critical thinking.. I notice that many mainstream conservatives have this notion that babies stay babies forever when in reality they are infants for just a small fraction of their life.

    • Agree: ILANA Mercer
    • Replies: @Chopin
  150. So-called “reproductive choices” are not personal decisions because a human being’s decision to procreate has an impact on every other human/animal in the ecosphere/society (environmentally and economically), not to mention the child itself which could potentially be forced into a life of misery just because another person so willed it or (carelessly allowed it to happen.)

  151. Anymike says:
    @Kim

    I’ve had some biology. My conclusion was that mRNA transfer was something that probably happens naturally even if it isn’t documented. The question, of course, is what protein is being produced as a consequence. I now am thinking that the the risk with the spike protein vaccine might be higher than I originally thought. Most people don’t have the capability of working out what the vaccine is doing.

    I’ve had the two doses of Moderna and one booster. I’m not taking another booster. I imagine that by now I’ve had a COVID infection that I don’t even know about. The vaccines are known to be not 100 percent effective.

  152. Dave Chappelle making some cogent points about abortion:

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  153. diva says:

    The short answer is no. Even if some of their babies are born normal, healthy, and happy, these women will torment and torture (psychologically/physically/mentally/emotionally) them.

  154. Chris Moore says: • Website
    @UR2

    You seeth with hatred to the point of murder even, but, you could reach out your hand with love to those needy, little brothers and sisters…. made in the image of God-

    Voodoo practicioners, Mammonites and nihilists aren’t made in the image of God, and deserve what is coming their way. Let them cry to the demons that drive them. Why would they appeal to a God they deny exists? And why should the civilized give them quarter when they would never return the favor?

    Would you throw a civilized man in a gorilla cage and demand he “reach out with love to those needy, little brothers and sisters”? You would if you’re a ((Jew)) ‐‐ and then laugh when he’s beat to a pulp as you always knew he would be.

    • Agree: Kim, WSG
  155. SteveK9 says:
    @Curmudgeon

    Ever heard of adoption?

    • Replies: @Mary Marianne
  156. @onetwothree

    His reaction was so way over the top. It was almost like the freakonomics argument was some sort of personal insult for some incomprehensible reason. I actually stopped reading his blog for a while because he kept going on and on for months. It took him some months to calm down such that he could write normally about stuff again. I thought the whole thing was really weird.

  157. It may make sense to argue the fetus acquires natural rights at the stage when it develops a cerebral cortex, which imparts the faculty of choice in the brain.

    Humans have rights as individuals, by virtue of their faculty of volition. Volition implies moral choice, moral values and responsibility, all of which underlie the idea of individual natural rights.

    The fetus develops the cerebral cortex at about 6 months.

    • Disagree: Gabe Lewis
    • Replies: @Kim
    , @Gabe Lewis
  158. @Badger Down

    Rats, pigeons, junkies’ foetuses are in many circumstances undesirable, a bad thing, precisely what we don’t want, because there are so many of them that they are a problem…

    I don’t know about rats and rats-with-wings, but your third example is a lot more common post-Roe than pre-.

    Question is, were the claims of the prochoicers a bum prediction, or a outright lie?

    And how has “choice” worked to our favor? China took choice out of the equation, which is what you want if eugenics is your goal.

  159. @Vergissmeinnicht

    Sorry, buddy: There is no God and no souls.

    And no “minds”, either, only atoms hitting one another and making noise. This is supposed to produce “thought”, which has never been seen.

    • Thanks: Bubba
  160. Voltara says:

    The never ending abortion “debate” is all about causing division. It’s an issue which can never be resolved. This is why it’s pumped in the media when a distraction is required. The timing of this latest peak in interest fits the pattern.

    If “minorities” are 3.5x more likely to resort to abortion than whites why would the groups which are determined to reduce the white percentage of the population constantly promote abortion?

  161. @mulga mumblebrain

    Rightists oppose abortion mostly out of misogyny.

    Which is why the right-to-life movement is, and always has been, overwhelmingly female, and the true feminsts have been men like Hugh Hefner and Vladimir Lenin.

    They are generally gun nuts…

    As is every state on the planet, with the possible exceptions of Costa Rica, Iceland, and the Vatican.

    Mao said politics flows from the barrel of a gun. That’s the most intelligent, accurate, and honest thing he ever said. Which is why Washington agreed with him.

    they favour US aggression, killing millions

    Not in 1940. That was the Left. The Lindberghs are defamed to this day. They opposed the “good wars”.

    And they slaver over the prospect of billions burning in Hell for ETERNITY for not holding their loathsome ‘religious’ prejudices.

    As opposed to those burning in hell-on-earth for not holding their loathsome political prejudices.

    • Thanks: 36 ulster
  162. Raju says:
    @jihadijew

    Zionist cow. Funny.
    She should be barometrically tagged and shipped to India where she get real recognition.
    Those Modi Goons love cow urine.

    She is trying to blend in as white whenever appropriate. Most of her writing are race, greater Israel, immigration. She conveniently writes about divisive in US topics.

    I dont think she as a Zionist she would condemned the killing of an unarmed fellow American-Arab journalist by human rights lover Brave Israeli soldiers. ADL funded journalist do not or allowed to write on such “insignificant issues”

    • Replies: @Kim
  163. Kim says:
    @Jim Bob Lassiter

    Even if you were a lousy lover and weren’t taking care of business properly?

    I am not suggesting that divorce would not be available. If someone is dissatisfied in the marriage, get a divorce.

  164. Kim says:
    @Mark Humphrey

    There are no “rights”. Rights is a fantasy concept.

    • Agree: Voltara, nokangaroos
  165. Kim says:
    @Raju

    Sent from behind the Slurpee machine?

  166. anon[241] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    Because we are afraid of being destroyed if we argue with the PTB.

  167. @shadowy_figure

    And don’t forget there is a not insignificant chance of that “special” child committing crimes against others. Another cost added to the rest!
    Its just not good enough to say,” Ban abortion!” and things will get better. They may get worse.

  168. TKK says:
    @Kim

    Few things make you more enraged than to have evidence of a spouse cheating, try to present the evidence and most judges will say it is NOT RELEVANT.

    A few times, when I can show the cheater used marital funds to support the adultery, restitution has been granted. But you need a smoking gun- hotel bills on the marital account.

    If you try to present character evidence in the divorce, it is simply not considered. Most judges respond with annoyance.

    Think of the moral insanity of this judicial punishment of the party who worked a straight job, paid the bills – only to discover his wife (or husband) is spending that money on an affair parter.

    I represented a women who was an ICU nurse. Her husband kept quitting jobs and stayed at home and loafed. He was spending about \$1500 a month on porn, chat lines and strip clubs.

    When she discovered this, she closed the account and tried to kick him out. He hired a lawyer, who won temporary alimony and the Nurse was ordered to leave the marital home, AND PAY THE MORTGAGE, pay rent on her crappy one bedroom while he remained there with the skulking teen age daughter.

    When we considered her quitting, the Judge said he would construct income, as she was choosing not to work. As she had “allowed” her husband to stay at home, he was found to be the party in need of support.

    And while I would like to say I was her hero and won, we did not win. We had to hire an appellate family law attorney ….and she still did not win.

    I advised her to leave the country. There are horrible consequences for marrying a jerk in America. There are so many miseries in America to address, but the whole support racket in divorces is a stroke inducing nightmare.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldlan
  169. @TKK

    She shouldn’t have married a negro!😮

    • LOL: Detroit Refugee
  170. That twirking video was the facepalm of the year.

    A bunch of women that even Black guys won’t knock up.

    What was that thing at the end? A new species? Does it even have sexual organs?

    Unattractive women want to make sure that women sought after by men will get abortions. They hate men and take it out on the fetus.

  171. I miss the old days when people insulted one another by calling each other ‘honkey’, ‘nigger’, ‘spick’, ‘chink’, ‘kike’, ‘faggot’, and etc.

    Even insults have done ‘woke’.

    ‘White Colonizer’? How lame is that?

    Meanwhile in Africa… just play possum.

  172. @Mark Humphrey

    Even if possession of a cerebral cortex is a necessary condition to the attainment of moral consciousness it is not sufficient: there is obviously no reason to believe a 6 month old fetus can think. Also, you’re mixing up moral subjectivity with moral objectivity: a being may be incapable of moral consciousness with, nevertheless, an individual with moral consciousness still having moral obligations to the aforementioned being.

  173. nickels says:

    Every day proves more and more that Abortion and worship of Moloch is a jewish sacrament.

    Which is exactly why we must protect our society from these murderers.

    There can be no murder of the unborn.

    What is the magic break in the continuum that makes a growing baby suddently (instantly) go from being a lump of flesh to a human life?

    Explain to me your absolute lack of reasoning.

    That moment is conception. Any attack on this body after that moment is murder.
    Women have no right to murder that which they have created, whether by loving intent or by just being a worthless whore.

    We draw the line. This sin reigns down judgement on our entire society and it cannot happen.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  174. @nickels

    That moment is conception. Any attack on this body after that moment is murder.

    Over 25% of conceived eggs don’t take naturally.

    Is God murdering them?

    The process itself isn’t some 100% perfect process.

    We draw the line. This sin reigns down judgement on our entire society and it cannot happen.

    Yes Christian conservatives seem to view abortion as a line. Total cultural wasteland with America crashing from welfare state debt is fine with them.

    Liberals could propose bestiality marriage and conservatives would let it go in exchange for a capital gains tax cut.

    But abortion……. that’s crossing a line damn it. Now you’ve gone too far with Western society!

    Conservative leaders would let satan buttf-ck them for a dollar in change and then afterwards would go do an interview on Fox about how abortion is wrong.

    • Replies: @nickels
  175. Anymike says:

    When I lived in the San Francisco Bay Area in the 70s, 80s and early 90s, I regularly read the various leftist free weekly papers. One of these had a feature about what essentially was a radical feminist abortion cult.

    The members of this collective did examinations of each other and had learned to detect by the appearance of the cervix whether the member was pregnant or not. I thought being several weeks late would be indication enough but the examination was part of their cult ritual. When it was determined that the member was pregnant, a procedure called “menstrual extraction” was performed, which of course terminated the pregnancy if there was one.

    According to the feature, the members of this collective deliberately got themselves pregnant so that their pregnancy could be terminated by the group. That’s why I called them an abortion cult. The inner dynamics of the group were not discussed as far as I know. Whether it was a group composed entirely of peers or whether it was directed by a dominant woman or several dominant women is something that I do not know. Maybe the organizations that counsel women who have PTSD or other emotional distress because of past abortions know something about these cults, but I have never heard anything else about them.

    If anybody else knows anything, speak up.

  176. Anonymous[124] • Disclaimer says:

    You simply have no right to take custody of an adult’s body

    Nonsense!

    Male BODIES can be drafted (often at the behest of women on draft boards!).

    Adult BODIES can’t move 300MPH on highways with impunity.

    Adult BODIES that swallow diamonds in jewelry stores can’t claim “ownership” due to autonomy.

    Adult BODIES can be taken into custody for sundry violations.

    The idea that women’s “BODIES” are somehow more-than-equal…exempt from all societal constraints…is sheer fembot heifershite.

    Unless one lives on a remote, personally-sovereign island/area, EACH AND EVERY citizen’s BODY (including vaginates’!) is subject to the laws of the land on which s/he exists.

    Trust me: if Congress passed a law saying all women are to be treated like oxen, Pelosi et alia would soon be pulling plows!

    • Thanks: Liza
  177. Peu says:

    Ilana is purely an Eugenist. Period.

    • Replies: @nickels
  178. @David Burberry

    No. Before abortion was made free and freely available to them, American Blacks didn’t breed like rabbits. When abortion is not an option, even the lewdest characters know there is a limit to their pleasure and they end up developing an attitude of moderation of their own way. When you throw wide open the doors of the abortion clinic, what will result is not only more further abortions but also more unwanted children because you make the sexual instinct much more carefree and commodity-like, outside the boundaries of any fear for its seriousness. You multiply by a much greater factor a total unconcern for the future that will result in an unconcern to visit the family planning clinic itself. Anyway most black women of now’s reproduction rate is determined by the possibility of raising their kids either on welfare whenever available, especially if while the healthy adults are not given a good welfare cheque each child more is given one the mother can enjoy, or by the possibility of getting children in a polygamous way from alpha males who pays woman minimally just to heighten their status.

  179. Anonymous[124] • Disclaimer says:
    @animalogic

    While the growth can not survive on its own with out the mother — it’s the mothers’ business.

    Agreed.

    Similarly, it’s solely “society’s business” to kill-with-impunity any and all…

    …vaginates forced to live in woods who get no aid from fellow humans;

    …young girls unable to provide themselves and exist on their own;

    ….bed-ridden grannies.

    …Down Syndromites;

    …accident victims;

    …unemployed bints and bums;

    …all pets; and

    …other “people who need people.”

    Also and henceforth: doctors will be forbidden to tell women that they have cancer…until the “clumps of cells” in their tits, vag, anus, etc. metastasize. Before then, said cancers will be deemed to be “not real.”

    • Replies: @animalogic
  180. @SteveK9

    Adoption is basically human trafficking in disguise. Kids get put to work in slave like conditions or end up being tortured in pedo rings.

    • Replies: @Truth
  181. @Anonymous

    “Similarly, it’s solely “society’s business” to kill-with-impunity any and all…”
    In what way does this reflect any abortion situation?
    Irony?
    Society intervenes in (this abortion issue) the negative sense of preventing /protecting something, not in grasping the wholesale right to inflict moral vileness on the world.

  182. Anon[133] • Disclaimer says:
    @Vergissmeinnicht

    True! Promoting the idea that garbage should breed, especially suicidal fools who want 2 rip out their own spawn & terminate their own blood lines, is absurd. We should praise them 4 doing the world a favor & shower them with #DarwinAwards 4 their #AbortionPride ~> https://justpaste.it/6nc0n

  183. Che Guava says:
    @Sollipsist

    The three best songs by the Sex Pistols, by far, were Bodies, Belsen was a Gas, and Holidays in the Sun. Sure they had many others tthat were good, even from the movie sountrack.

    Whatever Rotten or Lydon may say, Bodies was clearly an anti-abortion song.

    As Public Image Limited, Bodies and Belsen were the two he continued to belt out for years.

    I am lucky enough to have, though still underaged, seen a PiL show where they played both.

    This comment may seem irrevelant, but I recall older women describing to me how controversial the lyrics of Bodies were to feminist punk-rock fans at the time.

    It is also funny how Belsen never really caused any real outrage.

    I hate U-tub, so am not posting any links, but the lyrics and videos of live performances of all three are easy to find.

    OTOH, Lydon/Rotten decided to make himself a kind of eunuch by marrying the mother of one of his near-contemporaries many years ago, so …

    • Replies: @Sollipsist
  184. @john johnson

    “Over 25% of conceived eggs don’t take naturally.”

    Just because 25% of fertilised ova don’t implant doesn’t give you or anyone else the right to interfere with those that do.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  185. @Emslander

    You misunderstand my comment. I’m responding to Ms Mercer’s point that abortions act eugenically. My response is simply: after 50 years of extremely permissive abortion laws, where is the proof of a eugenic effect? Would anyone seriously argue that the United States is now a healthier, more intelligent, more attractive people than 50 years ago?

    Personally, I believe that the great evil of the state sanctioned murder of millions of innocents has quite literally cursed the USA. You can take that to mean that we have become more libertine and degenerate due to a consequence free sexual culture, or you can take my position that the country is literally haunted by the souls of innocents and howling prechistian demons. Good luck putting that genie back in the bottle

    • Agree: Emslander, Liza
    • Replies: @Emslander
  186. Cowboy says:

    Federalism does not respect individual choice.

    Au contraire, Illana! Hopefully by now you realize, firstly, with the mere evidence of the comments on your article the extent to which Rights based arguments are futile for coming to consensus because every declared right has a counter claim against it. Secondly, your own arguments are filled with qualifications, provisios, and exceptions and no you did not provide an argument for late term abortions.

    OTOH, only hyper federalism with get you to were you want to be. Only in small groups of like-minded individuals is it possible to “own” yourself free from the coercion of over weening busy body governing authorities. Hopefully that is clear to you now.

    I look forward to your retraction.

  187. ilana says:

    Kevin Myers lifted his observation from the iewish press. Just like the story that abortion decreased crime. Luge press depends east.

  188. @Priss Factor

    The aborted have more or less been replaced with immigrants, illegals, and refugees. Eugenics in action, I guess.

  189. Truth says:
    @Mary Marianne

    I am sure that happens more often than we would think.

  190. nickels says:
    @Peu

    Exactly. Just like the Nazis. Same mentality.

  191. nickels says:
    @John Johnson

    Is God murdering them?

    God has the power over life and death.
    If God withdrew his grace from the world, in an instance their would not be a single molecule in the entire universe. It would be a miasma of supercharged hyperatmoic particles randomly filling the void dodging about at light speed.

  192. Jokem says:
    @RockaBoatus

    Not everyone who engages in a heated debate is necessarily committing a “temper tantrum.” Sometimes a heated discussion has served as the impetus for people to rethink their position.

    Not in my experience. Once a heated debate happens both side of the argument stonewall on their position. Shouting matches do not cause the opposition to see reason.

  193. Jokem says:
    @UR2

    I suspect you are right.
    I used to know a gal who would get pregnant, then use that as emotional blackmail to get the guy to marry her. If he refused, she would get an abortion, then do it all again.

  194. Chopin says:

    You simply have no right to take custody of an adult’s simply have no right to take custody of an adult’s body. An adult woman, however loathsome, either owns herself and everything inside her or doesn’t.body. An adult woman, however loathsome, either owns herself and everything inside her or doesn’t.

    Why can’t there be law that dictates what people do with their body? Laws against child neglect already do this.

    Frankly, this individualist, libertine sense of freedom simply isn’t a good for society, and requiring mothers to be actual mothers and to not kill their offspring is a good for society. Libertarianism arguments like this are dumb.

    • Replies: @Jokem
  195. Chopin says:
    @Jay Fink

    Supporting a culture of death for eugenic reasons is shallow reasoning. Why wouldn’t you also support straight-up murdering people you deem “bad”?

    If you want a traditional, moral culture; you have to have traditional, moral values.

  196. @kerdasi amaq

    Just because 25% of fertilised ova don’t implant doesn’t give you or anyone else the right to interfere with those that do.

    Uh-huh. Well you called it murder and now you admit it happens all the time.

    • Replies: @Emslander
  197. Renoman says:

    Unfit Women and unfit Men have been creating monsters since time began, mostly due to liquor. I think it’s getting worse but how do we tell? They sure are getting a lot bigger!
    With all our problems today runaway reproduction seems to be the big future killer so go forward with abortions while the Earth is still savable. It’s very sad but it’s sad either way. I hope it all works out, I’ll see most of you in Hell, I’ll be in the Music room, right next to the Lawyer room. Big crowd in the Journalism room I hear? Perhaps we can go on a date Ilana???

  198. @Haxo Angmark

    A lonnnnng time ago, Black, Brown and Low, Low IQ White females should have been offered a mutual effective price for irreversible tubal ligation. I would think that ~ \$5000 would get the job done. Throw in a credit of all you can gobble of fried chicken, watermelon, and pork skins.

  199. Emslander says:
    @Patrick Gibbs

    Thanks for your clarification. Widespread abortion in the USA has brought the four horsemen of the apocalypse into our presence. God is slow to anger, but when the time comes, we will see the consequences of His anger.

    Satan sits in the seats of power in ours and most western nations, because abortion brought him in.

    Mocking God by calling themselves good devout Christians is most likely the last straw.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  200. Emslander says:
    @John Johnson

    Death comes in many ways, but murder is the act of a man or woman. In an ordered society, those deaths within the power of humanity to stop have to be prevented.

  201. Anonydog says:
    @Jay Fink

    And what about the issue of jew controlled blue states, specifically Jew York and Jewlifornia pushing their psychopathic laws – World’s least restrictive abortion availability (and getting looser still) on demand without parental consent or knowledge – on the more traditional-religious-white and rural red states against majority religious/cultural sentiment? You see no problem there? Of course you dont. You want to stick it to them.

  202. “Many women have been impregnated by siting on filthy toilet seat a man has recently masturbated on. Although I’m usually against abortion, I think in that case, they should be allowed an abortion . . .”

    I have actually been thinking about this comment and have not decided whether I should be laughing or responding to it as though it was something to consider as stated.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  203. @EliteCommInc.

    The problematic part is: many women…

  204. However much one disdains abortion, one can’t get away from the matter of self-ownership. You simply have no right to take custody of an adult’s body. An adult woman, however loathsome, either owns herself and everything inside her or doesn’t.

    Uhhhh, no. Ownership, is whatever the state says it is. If the state says you own something, then you do. The actual fact of the Supreme Court’s ruling, regardless of decision made, proves just who actually controls everything. The decision itself proves government control. Regardless of which way it went.

    The argument that each individual person owns himself goes out the window when the military recruiters show up and advise the individual that his services are needed in the defense of his country.

    It’s ironic that on July 4 we should have to point this out. A visit to a military cemetery, hosting the casualties of wars, many conscripted, is a stark indicator of just who owns what.

    Just as Chairman Mao’s observation that political power comes out of the barrel of a gun, so does the right to determine who owns what.

    The basic premise is false.

    • Replies: @Abelard Lindsey
  205. @HallParvey

    There are approaches more powerful than guns.

    Here’s the John Cusack approach to resolving the abortion issue:

    We fight off the leftist authority in the form of covid-19 restrictions, vaccines, and the climate change BS. What on Earth makes you think we’re about to accept authoritarianism from the right once we get rid of the left? Are you really so delusional to think such a thing?

    • Agree: shadowy_figure
  206. What I see here (and many other sites on the ‘Net) is obsession of who’s convexities are in who’s concavities. I’ve noticed over the years that people who obsess over the sexual activities of others, particularly when they do not even know them personally, belies a sexual insecurity on the part of those with this obsession.

    I think a lot of the “pro-life” are the socially awkward college republican types who never got laid in high school or college and have it in for everyone else’s sex life as a result. Its really pathetic when you think about it.

  207. “The problematic part is: many women…”

    laugh

  208. Jokem says:
    @Chopin

    requiring mothers to be actual mothers and to not kill their offspring is a good for society.

    Except a lot don’t do that. They have the kids and then neglect them, dumping that responsibility on society. Look at the number or Crack Babies born, even when abortion was legal. These kids can grow up to be productive members of society, but it takes a lot of effort to do that, and an avalanche of Crack Babies just overwhelms the system.

  209. Vasily says:

    In terms of sound principles in a society, when a belief system gives the human will enough primacy over life, so as to allow witches to choose whether to have an abortion or not, that society is resting on shitty house of cards, and it won’t be long before it comes crashing down. I mean, in fairy land, the children day dream all day long about how nice it would be if we could all just do whatever without hurting others; but in the real world of adults, where even relatively slight infractions (in thought, word or deed) cast long and ominous shadows, any principle but the absolute and uncompromising primacy of life will eventually fill the streets with rivers of blood.

    You can call me a busy body if you like, but that won’t change the truth of what I just told you.

  210. Myth of crack babies and the like . . .

    https://fair.org/home/re-examining-crack-baby-myth-without-taking-responsibility/

    https://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/20/booming/revisiting-the-crack-babies-epidemic-that-was-not.html

    But your overall point “neglected children” is something even I have contended, but when examining the data, that is a very very small burden that the US should be able to absorb and has nothing of the impact that illegal immigration has.

    of the 3,570,000 children investigated 678,000 or 20% were found to be neglected and abused.

    https://www.acf.hhs.gov/media/press/2020/2020/child-abuse-neglect-data-released

    against the overall children’s population of 48,000,000 that’s roughly 1.4125%. Given the numbers we should be able to handle their basic care with very little effort or pain.

  211. What I am seeing here is that the right has lost it just as badly with regards to bodily autonomy as the left. Last year, it was mainly the left that was trying to force a needle in my arm, which of course I refused, and it was mainly the right that was defending bodily autonomy. Now just in the space of a week, the right has dumped the principle of bodily autonomy just like the “pro-choice” left did two years ago with their vaccine mandates.

    Here’s the point. Bodily autonomy is an absolute value. It is not alienable on the basis of this consideration or that consideration. The only way we can defeat this authoritarian crap that we’ve seen in spade over the past two years is to reject any and assaults on bodily autonomy for any reason whatsoever.

    You cannot fight collectivism with another form of collectivism. You can only fight collectivism with a commitment to individualism in all things. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  212. @Abelard Lindsey

    Bodily autonomy is ALMOST absolute. As with all ‘freedoms’ it is limited when it impinges on the freedom of others. So, if you have an highly infectious disease, your autonomy does not extend to thoughtlessly infecting others. And, with pregnancy, it grows even more complex.
    My opinion, for what it is worth, is that, barring some irreconcilable threat to the health of the mother, that there must be a limit to the gestational time when the mother’s autonomy trumps that of the child. After that it would need to be determined by the mother, and others, advising and counselling her, including her partner, one would hope.

    • Replies: @Abelard Lindsey
    , @Liza
  213. @Emslander

    Abortion is as old as humanity, and known from the animal kingdom, so your ‘God’ (really your ego projected onto the Universe)has taken His time getting around to punishing the USA.

    • Replies: @Liza
  214. @mulga mumblebrain

    My opinion, for what it is worth, is that, barring some irreconcilable threat to the health of the mother, that there must be a limit to the gestational time when the mother’s autonomy trumps that of the child. After that it would need to be determined by the mother, and others, advising and counselling her, including her partner, one would hope.

    I agree.

    A reasonable law would be abortion for any reason during first trimester, restricted during second trimester, and mostly illegal (except for health of the mother) in the third trimester. The 2018 Mississippi law that was the basis of Dobbs was a reasonable law. It banned abortion after 15 weeks. However, there is a SECOND abortion law that was recently passed in Mississippi that is a total ban. That law is entirely unreasonable and prompted my discussion in this blog.

    It is worth noting that most European countries, including “ultra liberal” France, ban abortion in most cases after the first trimester.

    There is a scientific basis for this. Everyone knows the brain, specifically the neo-cortex, is the seat of human consciousness and identity. This substantially forms around the end of the first trimester. So, it is scientifically reasonable to state that “life” (as defined by the emergence of the neurostructures necessary for human consciousness) begins after the first trimester. Reasonable people would accept this standard.

    The problem is that both the left and the right have gone way off the deep end on abortion. The left wants up right up until birth and have made comments suggesting that they would be OK with infanticide. The right talks a good game about wanting to protect the “unborn”. But their efforts suggest they are really obsessed with regulating sexual activity, even when there is no “unborn” needed protection. This is just “blue nose” busybody BS. They need to just stop with this crap.

  215. @Che Guava

    It’s ironic how punk was, among other things, supposedly a reaction against hippie ideals… and yet most of the bands went full left sooner or later. I suppose things might have been different if it hadn’t been the Thatcher and Reagan era.

    • Replies: @Che Guava
  216. @The Real World

    Killing the baby for the sins committed by his/her parents??
    Really?
    What kind of degenerate caveman morality system are you from?

    • Replies: @The Real World
  217. Anon[291] • Disclaimer says:

    Should Deranged, Moronic Females Really be Procreating?

    Skip the childhood vaxx schedule, and just tie their tubes or spay them all of them at birth.

    Should they want to breed or adopt at a later date, they should be required to pass a thorough psychological eval – and only then be allowed near children with male oversight.

    Rearing a child to adulthood is just too important to be left to unsupervised females. I mean, christ, they shouldn’t even be driving.

  218. @anonymous coward

    You are projecting yourself, it seems. Handle checks out.
    If you are able to articulate more clearly and pose specific questions, I’ll likely answer.
    But, the above comment is simply juvenile.

  219. Anonymous[383] • Disclaimer says:
    @Abelard Lindsey

    As I recall, his argument was more that the time-lag cause-effect didn’t add up … that the cohort born after abortion got going was MORE crime prone and that crime didn’t go down until AFTER that cohort killed each other off during the murderous crack wars of the late eighties

    • Replies: @Abelard Lindsey
  220. Liza says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    So, if you have an highly infectious disease, your autonomy does not extend to thoughtlessly infecting others.

    Acute respiratory illnesses are not caused by lack of vaccination, nor by mere contact with some socalled “virus”. If you want to avoid corona 19 or any other variant, then take care of your overall health so as not to be susceptible. It’s not my responsibility to be forcefully shot up with crap in a needle because others don’t look after their health.

    Symptoms occur to warn you that you are weakened in some way and need to make changes in your life. They are not a “disease”.

    • Replies: @Jokem
  221. Liza says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Yes, old as humanity, supposedly. But in such numbers? And done so often out of frivolous motivations? Like “I’m not ready at this time.” Right.

    IMO, those children born only when both parents were 100 per cent “ready” are more likely to have excessive demands placed on them by those spoiled parents.

  222. Che Guava says:
    @Sollipsist

    I don’t think that is entirely true. Sure, Clash, many more.

    The Fall, not punk, sure, but very close, and Mark E. Smith, R.I.P., may have been a life-long Labour party supporter, but his lyrics, not so.

    In the U.S.A., IMHO mainly a joke, sure, many leftist idiots, Dead Kennedys, Rollins and Flipper, etc.

    Much of the precursors, like the Stooges when not out of their minds on H,

    In the U.K., Oi, lots of catchy songs.

    In Japan, many bands were, until coronamania, very influenced by Oi style. It was a certain scene.

    To me the big ironies of that time in western pop had little to do with ‘punk’ or ‘new wave’ per se, but with two other things.

    Now would suit the various misery bands of then, including much of PiL, the Cure, Joy Div., etc.

    Actually, times were pretty good at the time, AFAICS.

    Also, there was a giant push in pop culture to create a Patrick Bateman or EST type success cult. The Human League split, and though I like most of Dare as pop, excepting the putrid Seconds and Don’t You Want Me, most of the lyrics were vaguely glorifying Yuppie, yet to be named at the time, mentality.

    The other half were continuing, briefly as British Electric Foundation, after one electronic-style cassette release, moved into precisely the same territory with propaganda like Play to Win and Penthouse and Pavement as Heaven 17.

    I am by no means saying that was pivotal, just symbolic.

    Also all of the other crap to soon follow, Sade Adu, Simply Red, too much to list.

    From my perspective, far more than leftoid punk-rock poseurs, most of whom were from very wealthy families in any case, that co-ordinated shift was the worst and clear manipulation.

    I used to enjoy early issues of i-D magazine, I liked the design and some of the photos. Now, it is obvious that it was just part of a Kulturkampf.

    • Replies: @Sollipsist
  223. Should Deranged, Moronic Females Really be Procreating?

    No, absolutely no, stupid women should not have kids!

    And there ain’t no type of woman more stupid than a radical feminist.

    Or at least, not dumber that a black radical feminist that is.

    Thinning out exactly their part of the gene pool can only be a massive win-win for America!

    So, by all means, let these female radical buzzards have abortions aplenty! Now, truth be told, this whole abortion thing sure is a grizzly business, but at least the crime rates will be going down after a while…

    • Replies: @RML
  224. RML says:

    Has Ilana Mercer been vying for the role of the nastier black-haired sister of Ann Coulter? On the evidence of this article, she has copped the part. This glibly blunt polemic seems to be taking the stand that abortion should be allowed as a sort of libertarian eugenics. The glibness gets rolling with the “let them take buses” idea (not planes or trains). This isn’t a reflection on policy; it’s a display of drawing attention to oneself by being provocative. Hey, it has worked for Coulter, and for Tucker Carlson, whom she unsurprisingly has a link to. This not only generates heat rather than light, it is the sort of heat that chars any tendrils of thinking, leaving an acrid smell.

  225. RML says:
    @Morosamguten

    That’s “grisly”, not “grizzly,” unless you mean something that is gray-haired. I suppose “the whole abortion thing” could cause gray hairs. One hopes that this is trolling at its most egregious.

  226. @Che Guava

    I always enjoyed Mark E. Smith interviews, but only occasionally his music. I tend to think of him as more punk than most punks.

    I loved the DIY underground indie thing that US hardcore built. But again, the product didn’t often live up to the promise. Minor Threat quickly became Fugazi, Black Flag brought Rollins aboard, and before long an entire generation of kids grew up saying “I love punk rock. Green Day is my favorite band!”

    But I came from the crossover hardcore/ thrash era. Bands like Suicidal Tendencies, DRI, Circle Jerks… the (original) Repo Man era. It was all about deconstruction and satire and just about everything was fair game. Unfortunately deconstruction isn’t something you can (or should) continually encourage, it just leads to relativism and nihilism more often than not.

    • Replies: @Che Guava
  227. @The Real World

    Good points. The reality is that the issue is divisive and “solutions” will never be perfect because of the wide variety of circumstances under which abortions are sought. It’s easy to say “they ought to” or “they could have” if you aren’t faced with the circumstances those seeking abortions have faced.
    I have never promoted abortions, only been aware that relying solely on morality to oppose them is a losing proposition. An economic system pushing your citizens to live in poverty while others live in obscene opulence is immoral, but no one will talk about that without foaming at the mouth either.

    • Replies: @WhoaWaitaMinute
  228. @Anonymous

    That the time-lag effect didn’t add up was a credible argument. But, as I recall from the time, Steve was trying to argue that abortion actually made things worse, but did not offer any statistical data to support this argument. Mainly I remember it was largely a polemic that went on month after month, making me wonder about ‘ol Steve for a while.

  229. You simply have no right to take custody of an adult’s body.

    Really? “You” are smaller than a pinhead–how can you “take custody” of anything?

    Nor did “you” take “custody.” Instead the “adult” got together with another adult and turned something inside her body called an “egg” plus something inside the other adult’s body called “sperm” and melded them into “you.” “You” had no agency in this matter, and it was hardly your fault.

    This is the “violinist” argument, except with a teeny violinist. You wake up one morning and find yourself tethered to a violinist. Riiight–just like pregnancy: you wake up one morning, and surprise! You’re pregnant! That’s how babies are made!

    • Thanks: Liza
  230. Jokem says:
    @Liza

    If you want to avoid corona 19 or any other variant, then take care of your overall health so as not to be susceptible.

    This is simply no guarantee against illness. Even if it were, there are those with more fragile health than you which will never have a robust constitution no matter how well they take care of themselves.
    Maybe you are looking at this as a Darwinist and endorse weeding out the unhealthy by periodic epidemics?

    • LOL: Che Guava
    • Replies: @Liza
  231. Liza says:
    @Jokem

    That is correct that looking after your overall health is no guarantee against illness and I’m glad you mentioned this. But neither is insertion of “vaccines” into the bloodstream a guarantee, either. There is so much evidence of the damage they do, the information is out there if you care to know. Praying hard every day and being a good person guarantee nothing as well. And so on.

    Is that what everyone wants – guarantees? Looking after overall health will most likely reduce severity of any illness irrespective of inborn constitution.

    Epidemics happen for a reason, they are not some kind of curse, but a blessing in disguise, a warning. I don’t decide these things – take it up with the creator. If anyone gets a severe case of an acute SARS-type sickness, then he should be tended to, in order to get him through it if possible. No medicine should be banned by the regulatory authorities. We need a separation of Medicine and State.

    Thanks for replying to me sensibly instead of telling me I’m a stupid ignorant asshole.

    • Agree: WhoaWaitaMinute
    • Replies: @Che Guava
    , @Che Guava
    , @Jokem
  232. Che Guava says:
    @Sollipsist

    A good reply.

    Appreci…ated, as Mark E. would have said.

    Try Negative Mind Distortions I Don’t Hear a Song, the English-lang part of the lyrics is incomprehensible if not Japanese, but it’s a great pop punk song.

    Two versions on u-tub, both worth hearing.

    Also, if you don’t do now, use a u-tub front such as New Pipe, others are there, they skip the ads, playback is sometimes bad, but you can always just download the file.

    Of course, torrents and bad sites, fine, but I prefer to directly downloading from an ‘Alphabet’ site.

    • Thanks: Sollipsist
  233. Che Guava says:
    @Liza

    No, you are a stupid ignorant arsehole.

    Coronamania is just a bore.

    That you are pushing it into the third year makes you a cretinous moron at best.

  234. Che Guava says:
    @Liza

    You are either arsehole propagandist or an arsehole propagandist.

  235. And should moronic males even have a penis???

    • Replies: @WhoaWaitaMinute
  236. For shitsakes …this article misses by a bit: .

    Should cycling females be holding office? That’s the question. Think about it. Should they even be voting?

    On the way to coming up with your answer, consider: When was the last time, on a weekday, you came home to a delicious dinner, cooked from scratch? [and, none of that “asking for a friend” bs]

    you indoctrinated wimps

  237. @Vera Gottlieb

    Penis envy is an obnoxious, if not humorous and entertaining thing.

    If it’s not too late, find a hetero motorcycle gang and get a life for yourself. [One penis ain’t gonna do it for you. ]

  238. @Curmudgeon

    In discussing this issue, the morality thing is important in its triteness. However, in order to get a grasp of the origin of the “morality” thing surrounding abortion, you need to read up on adoption agencies 60 – 70 years ago. In some respects it was too much of a sensible thing…but, like anything else, it (morality) got fully monetized. There were adoption barns taking in oodles of money to adopt out babies and even toddlers to the post-war baby boom society, and pulling dirty money-making schemes in the process. (That was not limited to Tennessee, btw., but a good place to start educating yourself) Bank account balances became way more important than the barren couple themselves. Those babies became real estate; the adoption agencies (including the ones with nuns) were acting like Rothschild banks.

    Oh, that was 60 years ago, but some things stick (just like overcooked pasta to a wall).

  239. Jokem says:
    @Liza

    But neither is insertion of “vaccines” into the bloodstream a guarantee, either.

    Science shows vaccines bolster resistance. This goes back centuries to Edward Jenner.

    Epidemics happen for a reason, they are not some kind of curse, but a blessing in disguise, a warning.

    Are you claiming epidemics are God’s vengeance?

    • Replies: @Liza
  240. Jovanda says:

    I expected a thoughtful article with insightful comments on this site.
    The article was of little merit and the comments grotesque examples of psychopathological stupidity. No wonder our extinction is inevitable.

  241. Liza says:
    @Jokem

    Vengeance? Certainly not; rather, warning sign from a creator who wants us to be healthy. You know, like the various signals your car gives you before it conks out completely.

    Bolstering resistance? We don’t need our immunity boosted artificially with a shitload of chemicals placed into our bloodstream; we need to take care of ourselves. Why is it a crime to get sick?

    Did you know that vaccines, all of them, have seriously harmed some people? And, further, that those who see no obvious immediate signs are weakened as well? You might want to get the real story on the smallpox vaccine.

    Thanks for replying to my comment.

    • Replies: @Jokem
  242. Anonymous[205] • Disclaimer says:
    @Vergissmeinnicht

    Fetus is Latin for “Baby”

    Uterus is Latin for “Bottle” (consider the shape)

  243. Jokem says:
    @Liza

    We don’t need our immunity boosted artificially with a shitload of chemicals placed into our bloodstream; we need to take care of ourselves.

    Edward Jenner would disagree with you.

  244. Anonymous[205] • Disclaimer says:
    @repsinec

    First, as Big Gay Steve says, G before L because it pisses off the lesbos.

    Having said that, the proper term is G-BLT-OMG-WTF-BBQ

    What each letter means is left as an exercise for the reader.

  245. Dan-0-lee says:

    What we really need is a constitutional amendment to outlaw state and federal income taxes.

    To make it clear to the beltway morons that they can’t do that anymore.

    • Replies: @Jokem
  246. Jokem says:
    @Dan-0-lee

    Add to that US Income taxes.

  247. Reaper says:
    @Priss Factor

    “Our attitude toward the degenerates should be “You should have been aborted” and “You should abort your kid because YOU are unfit to be a mother.” ”

    Agree.
    The most reasonable legalization would be when those degenarates get aborted together with their baby. Liberals wanna push late abortions so let`s join and put the upper limit to 65 years old, or whatever the actual age of the crazy bitch. 😉
    Would abort the abortion supporters pool in a few years.

  248. Since [the coming of Roe V. Wade] 55% of black pregnancies get aborted compared to a third of Hispanics and 11% of White.

    And that’s what made Roe V. Wade such a precious “piss-poor” bit of “jurisprudence.”

    The statistics are significant in the context of crime. John J. Donahue and Steven D. Levitt (2001) had established that “the legalization of abortion, in the early 1970s, played an important role in the crime-drop of the 1990s. Ceteris paribus, legalized abortion will account for persistent declines of 1% a year over the next two decades.”

    Reversal of the trend is inevitable [after the trashing of Roe].

    All logical! Common sense! The only thing which could’ve blinded Europe-descended eyes where this matter is concerned, would be a sinister superstition. That’s precisely what occurred, and millions of future Euroamericans will pay through the nose, though most won’t be able to connect consequence with cause.

  249. @RockaBoatus

    So far this plan to finance women’s travel to pro-abortion states is looking like a dysgenic nightmare. Not that you care, of course.

    So far, it’s corporations pledging to pay for their employees’ abortion trips. Who talks about doing that for unemployed feral blacks, women with criminal tendencies, and so reckless and imprudent that they have repeated unwanted pregnancies? Who will do it for unemployed low-class Whites, many of them mudsharks, liberal/Leftist, often substance-abusing?

    The way things look now, mostly White women capable of responsibility, industry and productivity will abort, won’t reproduce, while feral blacks and degenerate Whites will proliferate (and the latter class will propagate mulattoes). Expect spikes in the already calamitous rate of violent black-on-White crime, in the number of votes for the Marxists now devastating America, in social welfare costs, in the rate of the lessening of the Euroamerican majority. Not a happy prospect re the quality of people, nor the quality of life in America.

    You assure Pro-Whites that the eugenic measure of abortion will remain alive and well! What–are you trying to deflect them away from pro-eugenics (pro-choice) agitation, in which they’ll be crazy to not participate?

    Be honest for once: you’re very happy that Roe was trashed, which bespeaks your knowing that abortion has been dealt a severe blow. You see the trashing as a step toward wholesale abolition, which you favor regardless of what it’ll mean to Whites in this world, because what matters to you is doing what you imagine Jewsus wants you to do, so you can be in heaven with him and that Pharisee who brought Judeo-Christianity to Europe.

    Your posing as a White Nationalist and White advocate fools no one save your fellow Judeo-Christians. You’re a practicing Judeo-Christian, and that precludes being a serious White partisan.

    Black women will still get to murder their babies…. It certainly warms the heart.

    O how touching, this concern for black fetuses! How righteous–i.e., unselfish–to think of black babies and not of the teenage White girl who’ll come home devastated, having had her front teeth knocked out by a sucker-punching savage who might’ve been aborted, but wasn’t because of de facto anti-Whites like you.

  250. anon[236] • Disclaimer says:
    @Robert Dolan

    i can testify.

    and it’s been going on for at least twenty years.

    i’ve a daughter who is 25, who i weakly allowed to be sucked into the jew-deceased vacuum of the public education system….from the gate she was adamant that she was “gay” , and as a bonus decided she despised WHITE people (((therefore herself)))…

    she is the quintessential victim of a monstrous Jew spiritual poisoning that she will most likely never recover from…and i get to live with the guilt of the “weak father syndrome.”

    thanks a fucking lot ….filthy Rat-People.

  251. @Priss Factor

    But these Christ-cucks are just as full of BS as the ‘woke’ types. They ignore reality and just care about the FEEEEEEELINGS.

    Oh, excellent assertions, Priss Factor, of which the above is but one in your post of 7-2-22, 6:41 a.m. GMT!

    And certainly one of the feelings which these superstitious cucks experience is fear of everlasting perdition–punishment for disobeying their infinitely loving god. Of course, if they had sufficient powers of reasoning, they’d see the incompatibility of infinitely loving and infinitely punishing the loved. But they haven’t and don’t: otherwise they wouldn’t be superstitious cucks. They won’t see that heaven and hell are the snake-oil salesman’s carrot & stick, whereby he gains fame and fortune at the expense of the credulous.

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