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“We are one American nation. We must unite. We have to unify. We have to come together.”

Every faction in our irreparably fractious and fragmented country calls for unity, following events that demonstrate just how disunited the United States of America is.

They all do it.

Calls for unity come loudest from the party of submissives—the GOP. The domineering party is less guilt-ridden about this elusive thing called “unity.”

Democrats just blame Republicans for its absence in our polity and throughout our increasingly uncivil society.

These days, appeals to unity are made by opportunistic politicians, who drape themselves in the noble toga of patriotism on tragic occasions. The latest in many was the Pittsburgh synagogue massacre of Oct. 27.

In the name of honesty—and comity—let us quit the unity charade.

The U.S. is not united. Neither is America a nation in any meaningful way. It hasn’t been one for a long time.

Consider: In the late 1780s, Americans debated whether to nationalize government or keep it a decentralized affair. The discussion was one in which all early Americans partook, nationwide.

Think about the degree of unity that feat required!

The eternal verities of republicanism and limited government were understood and accepted by all Americans. The young nation’s concerns centered on the fate of freedom after Philadelphia. (The Anti-Federalists, the unsung heroes who gave us the Bill of Rights, turned out to be right.)

Around the time The Federalist Papers were published in American newspapers—Americans were a nation in earnest.

For it takes a nation to pull that off—to debate a set of philosophical and theoretical principles like those instantiated in these Papers, Federalist and Anti-Federalist.

The glue that allowed so lofty a debate throughout early America is gone (not to mention the necessary gray matter).

The Tower of Babel that is 21st century America is home not to 6 million but 327 million alienated, antagonistic individuals, diverse to the point of distrust.

Each year, elites pile atop this mass of seething antagonists another million newcomers.

Democrats, who control the intellectual means of production—schools, social media, TV, the print press, the publishing houses, think tanks, the Permanent Bureaucracy—they insist mass immigration comports with “who we are as a people.”

The last is yet another hollow slogan—much like the unity riff.

Modern-day Americans, some of whose ancestors were brought together by a “profound intellectual and emotional attachment to individual liberty,” possess little by way of social capital to unify them.

We don’t share the same core values, morals or mannerisms. We don’t revere the same heroes. We tear down other countrymen’s historic monuments. (As governor, Nikki Haley, hardly a member of The Mob, led the charge in South Carolina.) We display different regalia. Our attachment to one language, English, is tenuous at best, and waning.

Surveys suggest Americans today would rather avoid one another, choosing instead to hunker down unhappily in front of the telly.

As Americans, what unites us most is our passion for, and patterns of, consumption. America is an economy, not a nation.

Unite we Americans do over the state of our sovereign debt—it’s bad! But not over what it means to be a sovereign people.

For half the country, sovereignty entails hordes of defiant scofflaws breaking the border. For the other half, sovereignty means borders. (And some respite, maybe even a moratorium on the incessant influx.)

People become rightfully resentful of others when forced into relationships against their will.

Signs of the attendant, endemic civil unrest are already evident.

Don’t knock the cliché. Good fences (or walls) do indeed make good neighbors, within countries and between them.

A sense of security and sovereignty are essential to the health of individuals and nations alike. Developmental health in kids is predicated on respecting their bodies and their boundaries.

Wait a sec: Kids need boundaries but the communities in which they reside don’t?

Why do boundaries or borders become cardinal (racist) sins when staked out by communities? And why is trespass a praiseworthy creed?

A peaceful society is one founded on voluntary associations, not forced integration.

By extension, if the Christian pastry man doesn’t care to bake a cake for a gay wedding; leave him be. There are plenty cake-makers who’ll cater for your event.

Where’s the morality and munificence in compelling a service from an unwilling service provider? Servitude not service iswhat the gay master is extracting from the baker subordinate.

People are harming nobody when they withhold their wares. It’s their right. The baker owns his labor and his property. Leave him alone.

Currently, our overlords in Deep State D.C. insist that because we’re so rich and innately mean, they should decide what to do with the lion’s share of our earnings (including to distribute it to the world.)

No need. Americans are terribly generous—and most generous when left to choose their charities.

We are most generous to strangers in need when they, in return, don’t encroach on our space, and respect the natural rights we have in our person and property.

Besides, people get mad, even murderous, when Big Brother tells them who to shower with brotherly love.

An uneasy co-existence, not coerced unity, is the only hope for calm in our country.

Respectful disunity is the only way forward.

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Ilana Mercer’s weekly, paleolibertarian think piecehas been going strong since 1999. She is the author ofInto the Cannibal’s Pot: Lessons for America From Post-Apartheid South Africa (2011) & “The Trump Revolution: The Donald’s Creative Destruction Deconstructed (June, 2016) &. She’s onTwitter, Facebook,Gab & YouTube

 
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  1. Rich says:

    I agree that a Christian baker shouldn’t be forced to bake a cake for a homosexual, nor should a fry cook have to make a burger for someone of another race if he doesn’t want to. A hotel should be able to deny a room to anyone, for whatever reason they choose. A community should be allowed to set up restrictive covenants to stop people they don’t want from moving next door to them. When the US Feds decided to take away the right of free association, they destroyed this country. Maybe they did it on purpose, a divided working class, forever fighting with each other prevents them from going after the big fish, but it’s still wrong. There is no real freedom if one doesn’t have freedom of association.

  2. El'geherg says: • Website

    We are past the point of asking how we can remain united. The only question now is how to proceed with the divorce, politely or not so politely.

    • Agree: Moi
    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    , @Da Wei
    , @Corvinus
  3. @El'geherg

    Divorce is a good analogy.

    Democrats are the hostile wife who, while mistakenly believing that she holds all the cards, harasses and torments her husband even after he has already made up his mind to leave.

    Time to make real, concrete plans for setting up an alternative republic. Remaining yoked to the hollowed out, poisoned husk of what remains of America will only draw us with them into their grave. Before we are dragged down we must cut ourselves loose. It’s selfish, but someone must survive. The good seed must be preserved.

  4. anon[414] • Disclaimer says:
    @ThreeCranes

    It’s more like Democrats are the psychotic abusive hostile wife making all sorts of unreasonable demands, while the Republicans are the idiot husband who kept following her everywhere, kowtowing to her every whim, totally afraid to stand up to her, giving her everything she demanded and getting nothing in return.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  5. CCrisp says:

    The American experiment in government was, and is, an experiment. It succeeded in a homogeneous land which made itself into a country. It must inevitably fail among a disparate, short-sighted collection of peoples. My only quarrel with Miss (or Mrs., I don’t know which) Mercer is that the dis-union will certainly be violent; civil disunion is impossible, because eventually the parasites which make up the national Democrat party will realize they cannot survive without the money – i.e., tax base – which white America provides.

  6. peterAUS says:
    @ThreeCranes

    Time to make real, concrete plans for setting up an alternative republic.

    Secession?

    That will be the day……even making that decision, let alone proceeding with making those plans.

    Executing….those plans, say, that’s another conversation altogether.

    Besides, there are other options, not just “republic”, I guess.

    Anyway, it’s like those fatsos and stopping munching their hamburgers. Or smokers giving up.

    One day..soon…..

  7. anon[389] • Disclaimer says:

    there are probably 40 million illegal aliens in this country

    until they are thrown the hell out and the laws enforced once again, i have no interest in uniting

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  8. wayfarer says:

    “Good news is rare these days, and every glittering ounce of it should be cherished and hoarded and worshipped and fondled like a priceless diamond. “

    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_S._Thompson

    “Nobody needs to know” – Beto Campaign Appears to Illegally Spend Funds on Supplies for Caravan Aliens

  9. wayfarer says:

    “One man’s transparency, is another’s humiliation.”

    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerry_Adams

    Gillum staffer says voters “not for them to know” promises won’t happen; Florida is a “f***ed” up cracker state”

  10. anon[389] • Disclaimer says:

    i see Ilana Mercer in the twitter sidebar saying “We Americans….” and i wonder how long she’s actually been in this country

    getting tired of these carpetbaggers and globetrotters presuming to speak for me

  11. wayfarer says:

    “We have the best government, that money can buy.”

    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Twain

    Arizona Senate candidate Sinema “I can’t be talking about” gun bans

  12. Franz says:

    Actual disunity could be accomplished over a weekend.

    The communications grid? Forget it. Keep threatening Putin and a Russian EMP blast will end the whole thing in a few minutes.

    Take out the roads and rail lines and starvation for millions will begin in less than 10 days.

    Preppers will have to fight off the shirkers but not for long. Face it, a prepper only has to keep a low profile. The shirkers will soon be forced into looting which will get them dead.

    Now suddenly there’s plenty of good people surviving, plenty of verdant land waiting to be real nations, not “Experiments”.

    At that point, we’ll see the genius of civilized humans back in the saddle and not a minute too soon.

    (Rose-colored glasses off for now!)

    • Replies: @Darrell Dullnig
  13. anon[707] • Disclaimer says:

    An alternative republic would just result in the same skewed power distribution problem the USA constitution created. Everyone says its the economy but I say its the constitution, Americans just need to read it, once they understand it, they will know how to fix it.

    Its oligarchs and their media that control eligibility, election outcome, and post election conduct of the elected. D/n matter w\candidates oligarchs make available, nor which candidate registered voters select, candidates are oligarch approved; meaning nothing will ever change under the current system.

    I remind that the constitution denies citizen American voting privilege in the USA government, unless that citizen is among the 527 salaried elected employees of the USA. The USA constitution gives Americans the right to select candidates for election from among a slate of candidates screened and made available by the Oligarch. The selection option has been labeled voting, but the term voting confuses Americans into thinking they are actual participants in the affairs of their nation. (Also remind the electoral college)

    The USA constitution d\n authorize Americans privilege to vote in the USA government. Nothing the 527 elected and salaried members of the USA do is the concern of Americans. A privilege to select persons, but not a privilege to participate in the discussions and to vote on issues, laws or to evaluate and decide decisions of those charged to run government is not a democracy its a republic.
    I present a simple outline of the three layers of power in the American Republic, as I understand them:

    at the top ~4 to 5 thousand Oligarchs——-pair off to form —-|
    (99% o/e power) | |
    in the middle 527 elected, salaried puppets o/e oligarchs |
    ( 1% o/e power) (only 425 house members) Democrats|Republicans
    (100% o/e Authority) (100 Senators, a pres. & VP) |
    | to produce candidates
    <=Americans select <= elections <= eligible t\b elected
    |
    60 – 80,000,000 Register Voters
    |
    Americans are basically USA outsiders, if registered to vote, may chose five candidates if they want to
    |
    at the bottom 340,000,000 Americans
    (0% oe power, 0% oe authority)

    My recommendation is do not select either a democrat or a republican on the printed ballot,
    instead write in Terry Gromit in each of your five choice blanks.

  14. @ThreeCranes

    Divorce is a good analogy.

    I disagree. Divorce is a very bad analogy. Divorce assumes two distinct entities that can be separated. There are far more than two entities, and we are too intimately mixed to be sorted out.

    I believe that the differences between different factions are being papered over by the false prosperity. When the bubble breaks and the differences are revealed, the real struggle will begin. Eventually a Leviathan will emerge to bring “peace” to the land – for a while, anyway.

    • Replies: @Anon
  15. Jake says:

    “The Tower of Babel that is 21st century America is home not to 6 million but 327 million alienated, antagonistic individuals, diverse to the point of distrust.”

    Distrust guaranteed and worsened by the fact that the Elite whites use the blacks and other non-whites as tools and weapons with which to batter non-Elite whites. That is what limousine liberals do, and by now it ought to be clear to everybody that Neocons are at least as bad as hardcore overt liberals.

  16. Anonymous[264] • Disclaimer says:

    Ilana – How do you explain your decision to continue being published on Unz.com in light of Ron Unz’s recent series of viciously hateful essays against Jews? If Ron has not yet gone too far for you with his current agenda, what would constitute a red line (if any) for you?

  17. Jake says:

    Kids, pay close attention to this: “As Americans, what unites us most is our passion for, and patterns of, consumption. America is an economy, not a nation.”

    There is a family in the neighborhood of Coptic Ethiopians. The husband is a man whose ideas about life and government would please many devout readers of TUR. But even his family already fits Mercer’s assertion. He and his family do work hard; they are not now on welfare. But they work hard to buy more American stuff and to send money back home. The kids are addicted to smart phones and gaming.

    They have no sense of ever really being part of any American identity that makes sense to those of us who know the Colonial and Early Republic and Postbellum periods. To them, being American is very much about working to consume things that cannot be acquired back home.

    Coptic Ethiopians now have their own church in the area. When I mentioned to my neighbor once that perhaps his church, with its ancient history and its cultural patterns that reinforce proper order for a society that starts with self-discipline, could reach out to black Americans who need those things and rarely will bother to listen to anyone who looks like me, he looked at me as if I were crazy.

    He has 0 interest in doing anything to help American blacks be something other than what they are. A Coptic church that does no outreach, no proselytizing, does not have people of West African ancestry sitting in the pews to collect charity, their men and boys making eyes at the daughters of reasonably well heeled Ethiopians. That means the Ethiopians can much more easily arrange decent marriages for their children and avoid the drama of horrors that mark all places with a horde of peoples of West African genes.

    That is the good of the cultural stance. The bad is that is means the Ethiopians do nothing to prevent the national rot from getting worse. They are only going to hide as bets they can in their Coptic church when they are not working to buy more stuff and to send the surplus back home.

    • Replies: @Reuben Kaspate
  18. Quebecer says:
    @anon

    I don’t think the author has any pretense of speaking on anybody’s behalf but her own,
    but hey, you’re entitled to your opinion.

    So why don’t you go all the way and simply call her a ‘rootless cosmopolitan’.
    I’m sure that’ll feel even better

    Go ahead, make her day !

    • Replies: @Reuben Kaspate
    , @anon
  19. Nawi says:

    “Every faction in our irreparably fractious and fragmented country calls for unity, following events that demonstrate just how disunited the United States of America is.”

    ” in our…”
    Whaaaaat ?????????????I did not know that Ilana Mercer was from the US. Was not this woman from South Africa ?
    I call this kind of people the “assimilated”. Foreign born but with a passport from the adopted country. They are usually the worst bigots.

    • Replies: @Quebecer
  20. Jake says:

    “A peaceful society is one founded on voluntary associations, not forced integration.”

    That, in a nutshell, is the reason the civil rights movement was not merely stupid, but actually was bound to produce much evil.

  21. @Anonymous

    Ron Unz’s recent series of viciously hateful essays against Jews

    Facts are anti-Semitic.

  22. Quebecer says:
    @Nawi

    “This woman”, “This kind of people”

    Now THAT is bigotry.

    • Replies: @Hamlet's Ghost
  23. @Anonymous

    “viciously hateful”.

    Not just hateful, but viciously hateful. Perhaps you could, in light of your expertise, enlighten us concerning just which of Ron’s recent essays were “hateful” and what made them so.

    After all, “hate” is a serious word, referring to behavior that should be taken seriously. If you’re serious, then you should take the trouble to make sure we understand your meaning clearly. What does “hate” mean? What makes something “hateful”?

    Help us out here. As you can see by the many poster’s comments here, you won’t find a more willing audience for your wisdom. We are eager to learn.

    • Replies: @cassandra
  24. To see why America is under attack via unlimited illegal immigration and agent provocateur attacks from all sides , read The Protocols of Zion and there it is , the Zionist Bolshevik communist playbook for the destruction of America, to bring in a Zionist NWO.

    • Replies: @Da Wei
  25. EagleEyeX says:
    @Anonymous

    “viciously hateful”… fuck off asshole. Anybody that exposes a little truth about the chosen people and you and your ilk are ready and waiting with your gauntlet of bullshit to shoot them down. This is changing my man …all over the world the people are getting tired of your sanctimonious trip and accusations. Since before the Romans peoples and countries have been throwing this race out because of their divisive and selfish mindset and in spite of their arrogant over confidence and holier than thou narrative they are running it in the ground once again. People get tired of your lies and bullshit …its written all over the walls….wake up “victums” …..

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
    , @anon
  26. @anon

    ……..and getting nothing in return?
    You are soooooooooo funny. He is getting pussy in return.
    Never heard this one? World is rotating around pussy,

    • Replies: @Them Guys
    , @Reuben Kaspate
  27. neutral says:
    @Anonymous

    viciously hateful

    You mean viciously truthful.

  28. Da Wei says:
    @El'geherg

    Well, that means they get the house and a big chunk of the retirement. Seems that’s already happening, de facto.

  29. @Quebecer

    Anyone who will abbreviate television to “telly” rather than tv, is a rootless cosmopolitan hellbent on destroying the American patois not to be trusted!

    • LOL: RadicalCenter
  30. @EagleEyeX

    I do agree wholeheartedly. Ron Unz is researcher who is getting truthfully at root of problems.
    Ron Unz is never bias and he never takes a side. Ron Unz is philosopher in truest sense.

    • Replies: @anon
  31. @ThreeCranes

    In this analogy the wife is also the one with the part-time job who will assume full custody of 5 kids without additional support, while the husband is the primary bread winner with a middle-class office job. The left includes the Black and Brown underclass – currently over 40% of all births. A handful of highly productive and educated urban White/Asian liberals isn’t enough to support this Brown/Black underclass at their current level of government reliance/consumption. Even the White college educated went for Trump.

    I would love to see a divorce. The left’s America would look equivalent to Mexico, but adding Blacks at the bottom and Asians at the top. Even if you find yourself in the top 10% making a six-figure salary, who wants to live in a country with no real middle class, sky-high crime and no common culture? At least in Mexico they can say “we’re all proud Hispanic Mestizos” (their White elite at least give lip service to the “we’re all Mestizos” even though it isn’t true).

    The right would look like Idaho, which is close to a defacto conservative White(ish) ethno-state. You’ll lose some talent and wealth at the top, but the median standard of living will be far, far higher and aside from a small amount of isolated trailer parks crime will be nearly absent. But, most importantly, you’ll have a real, unified nation state (America in 1960 minus the Blacks), not a Balkanized polity stiffled with constant racial/ethnic conflict.

    • Replies: @Them Guys
    , @ThreeCranes
    , @anon
  32. anarchyst says:

    There used to be a time when just about ANY immigrant who set upon the shores of America was not only grateful, but willing to shed his “old world” ways and support his adopted country. He might have not known the language, and found some American customs and practices “strange”, but he fully embraced the idea that he could be an AMERICAN. He not only embraced the American ideal, but made damn sure that his children fully appreciated the land in which they were born.
    Contrast that to today’s immigrant, who is only concerned about one thing–American dollars. Today’s immigrants care not about the founding principles of this country, the Constitutional principles in which our rights are endowed by our Creator, and that the most important thing about being an American is the sense of freedom that he doesn’t want for himself or his offspring.
    Today’s immigrant brings his “old-world” customs and squabbles here, demanding that native-born Americans kowtow to him and change THEIR ways to accommodate his “old-world” ways. His children are not encouraged to become Americans and fully assimilate, but are required to maintain their “old-world” customs and ways, even if they run counter to American customs and mores. These old-world customs and ways quite often are criminal in nature, and do nothing to endear him to native-born Americans. He just does not want to assimilate.
    Today’s immigrant does not deserve to be here and should go back to where they came from.

  33. Them Guys says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Then the Man will do far better if he…Pays as he goes. Which allows the Man to be able to Boot her Out when he’s done with her/it…..Once this takes hold, so many females be worker girls, the Rental price per piece will drop big time!…Soon a very swell looking Young female that looks similar to Raquel Welch or Bridget Bardot, back when they too were younger 18-20 year old’s of course.

    Will keep Lowering per hr and per night fees to compete. Males then will be able to spend a dollar per, maybe $5 for really hot babes, and still retain right to boot em out when done. If it goes better yet, women will need to Pay the Man!!….Otherwise men won’t wish to do their male duty of giving a woman a good time with sex…..State govs can tax the women, then use that tax cash for weekly medical checkups so none of the Prime Male force gets a sex disease.

    I just Love it when a Plan comes together….Ret. Lt. Col. Hannibal Smith, The A-Team.

  34. anarchyst says:

    We would be better off if “the several states” told the federal government to “take a hike” and restore the power that the states have always had, the federal government being subordinate to the states.
    Of course, that idea is pretty much lost ever since the “war of northern aggression” and in today’s society.
    Repeal of the 16th and 17th amendments would be a good start…

  35. Anon[341] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    Leftist says Facebook bans her.

  36. @anon

    So what if she is new to USA? My fellow Americans are so brainwashed and dimwitted that they are totally complicit in the mess that is America today. We could use some fresh perspective from someone from outside looking in – someone who isn’t prone to chanting, “USA Number 1!”

    • Replies: @Bragadocious
  37. anon[789] • Disclaimer says:
    @Quebecer

    but hey, you’re entitled to your opinion

    gee, thanks

    So why don’t you go all the way and simply call her a ‘rootless cosmopolitan’.
    I’m sure that’ll feel even better

    woud that bother you because you’re one too?

    • Replies: @Quebecer
  38. Them Guys says:
    @Anonymous

    Just as True facts are not slanderous…Neither is it Hate nor Hateful when one speaks or writes factual Truths regarding Jews, Or Negroes, or various others or minority status groups and individuals.

    Where is it writ in stone that, anybody has a right to read or hear words, and then to claim it as Hate?

    Should it not be best to actually Hear or Read the very word of, Hate before one makes such a claim of hate?….And, even then, folks do have a 1st amend Right to free speech spoken and written of.

    I guess todays people never yet heard of that kids rhyme from long ago, that states…Sticks and Stones can break my bones…But Names/words shall never hurt me.

    If this stupid idiotic PC and MeToo Gotcha thing was happening 50 yrs ago, today 1/2 of America would still be in jail.

    If those SJW types do not soon halt their march to total madness…I for one predict America one day is going to view their, sjw members stacked like Cord Wood piles every where. And they will have nobody else to blame for their demise, other than their selves.

  39. @Quebecer

    “Bigotry” is liberalese for “Truth”.

  40. @Anonymous

    Well you’ve earned your daily $$$ that the ADL sends you for being a paid troll.

  41. anon[789] • Disclaimer says:
    @EagleEyeX

    Since before the Romans peoples and countries have been throwing this race out because of their divisive and selfish mindset and….

    didn’t you know the Romans were anti-semites?

    as were the Greeks, and the Egyptians, and the Russians, and the Poles, and the Ukrainians, and the Latvians, and the Estonians, and the Syrians, and the Iranians, and the…..

    • Replies: @Them Guys
    , @anon
  42. Quebecer says:
    @anon

    Ah, now i know why i had that sudden craving for chicken soup.

    Sorry, French-Canadian here, with strong roots.

  43. Cannot see why the USA, as the EU, should not fall apart.
    British India also fell apart.
    I’m not well acquinted with USA population statistics, but when visiting Florida around 2004 the spanish language was more accepted, my wife speaks spanish, than my english.
    California also seems to be on the way to become spanish.
    I drove from Seattle to Minneapolis, as english as possible.
    India fell apart in a horrible bloody civil war, a more civilised way of parting does seem possible.

  44. Them Guys says:
    @Anonymous Jew

    Your final paragraph, I have all that Now. By simply moving out of Detroit 23+ yrs ago. And choosing an up north Mich small town place to reside within. My County is listed as third from bottom economically out of 83 counties. However whats missing in better pay jobs, many jobs, and various other big city life perks…Is more than compensated for with us having a 99+% All White county.

    My home is in a township actually. No mayor, No Police force at all, Vol. Fire dept. Just one twshp supervisor, elected, and a librarian, a secretary, and one building inspector for building permits etc.

    Property Taxes at about one fourth, perhaps one fifth of same priced house in Detroit is. With same goes for Vehicle Insurances too…One fourth if that compared to vehicle insurance in Detroit.

    Less costly utilities too…Elec monthly bills about 1/2 detroit prices.

    Only Grocery foods, are same, and gasoline is about 10-15 cets per Gal higher typically. But with no rush hour stop and go traffic to speak of, far less gas is wasted. And typical avg speed limits are 55 to 65 MPH most every where…Only drops down to 30-35 MPH limit when drive in small cities or villages etc…..Which you can usually drive thru entire lower speed zone city in a few min. Or a Mile or two…A couple larger cities of say, total pop of 5,000 people and the drive thru takes maybe 10 min tops. Then back to highway speeds again.

    I can say from almost a quarter year of personal experience, after 43 yrs in Detroit, that to have all white neighbors, fellow drivers, school kids, if have kids this is very important. And every gas station, store, govnt official location, and those govnt workers, all whites…Makes a huge and far better different life style. And it seems even with lower pay jobs etc it maters not, since most folks drive very new or newer cars and pick ups. Plus live in very nice, many large sized homes too.

    And an extra Plus is to have a typical lot size that far exceeds normal city lot size…Here what’s called a single lot is about 1/4 acre to a 1/2 acre sized…Avg Lot in Detroit is 120 ft X 40 FT wide…

    Many here have 5 to 10 even 20 or 40 plus acres of prime heavy trees lands…Just all around much sweller in every possible way I think. So you do not need a split apart usa to have and enjoy it. Just…Move Up North in any area of northern usa lands…Even our winter Snow remains White! Unlike big city snow that gets dark and dirty looking in a days time.

  45. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    You ought to know, after all, you are one… aren’t you?

  46. @Anonymous Jew

    You’ve painted the picture well.

    But the leading lights of the Left, the Krugman’s et al., actually believe that they can make a go of the Blue State society you’ve just limned. They are so confident in their ability–the smarts of the top 1%–to create a “system designed by geniuses to be executed by idiots” that they discount the native differences in ability between their Hispanics and blacks and our Red State Idahoan whites.

    In other words, while I’m not sure that they would agree in private with the proposition of equality between racial raw material, they are just so cocksure of their masterly command of the intellectual and moral high ground that they can afford to think racial differences are irrelevant. Wizards that they are, they believe that they can design a system that will obviate any innate disparities in intelligence and conscientiousness.

    “Good Luck with that!” and “Have a nice life!” we call out to our ex as she’s packing up the car to leave with her black rapper/neighborhood gangsta boyfriend (who has, she informs us, assured her that he was an former running back for the New York Blitzards).

    “What was his name again”, we ask. And she replies with someone we’ve never heard of. Figures.

  47. M Edward says:

    The U.S. needs to default on it’s debt, abolish the federal government, break up into confederacies and and adopt the U.S. constitution as state constitutions.

    The U.S.A. ceased to exist in 1871……………

    http://actof1871.com/

  48. Them Guys says:
    @anarchyst

    100% Correct! Todays immigrant Mexicans and Central & South Amer. and usa Black People have been so life long brainwashed by lefty commie think, that they should strive to Hate the whitey gringos, Hate the whitey Crackahs, and Despise and Hate everything you listed as American and Americas founding principals. That none are ever going to copy cat us Whites and act and be much more like a White person. They Know that every possible good thing ever invented was done by a White man.

    The also truly Love that stuff too and strive to get it. But they at same time so Hate every possible thing White…They never are going to assimilate.

    That at some point Is going to literally explode across the entire nation, and in an unthinkable way too. Whites are fast waking up, and just like all other folks, Whitey can and will only take so much.

    Whitey didn’t last so long in history by being stupid, eh. Yes many today are also life long dumbed down badly. But being White, they possess that always remains lit, inner spark, or as I call it the, Viking Pilot Light deep Within their souls…And while typically it takes far more, far longer to upset and anger Whites…At some point that deep inner pilot light is going to Roar up into a full blown flame…Then in a collective among fellow usa whiteys, that huge roaring inner flame is going to grow into an uncontrolled Raging Forest Fire….Then, look Out all you Nation Wrecker types.

    • Replies: @SafeNow
  49. Ahoy says:

    @ Rich

    “There is no real freedom if one doesn’t have freedom of association”. The only real truth in life. On this truth human civilization is based.

    Communism means Inernationalism means Globalism which preaches a civilization of perenial slavery to the Sorose’s of the times.

    Ever since the cry of Patrick Henry “give me Liberty or Give me death” was thrown out of the public schools, Americans have been employees/slaves to the UNITED STATES of AMERICA, Inc.

    This company is owned by the Rothschilds, Morgans, Schiffs and their inheritors. Their are all Khazarians Jews not Middle East Jews.

  50. @Jake

    Those mulatto Ethiopians (they are definitely an admixture of blacks and other unknown races) have their own script which no other Sub Saharan African language can claim and furthermore, it has an old culture stipped in one of the oldest branches of Christianity. So then, why would they ever behave like the local Bantus in your neighborhood?

    • Replies: @Anon
  51. Them Guys says:
    @anon

    Eskimos are about the Only group globally who never yet Booted Out Jews. That’s amazing no?

    Yet just ask a typical Jew about it, and the likely answer they reply will be something akin to.

    “Well funny you ask, since we Jews our selves have been asking and wondering about this very thing ever since 4,000 yrs ago!….Yet even our smartest Rabbis and Elders, are still unable to figure out a reason us Jews get Booted from Every nation and place we invade (Jews won’t say invade though). And so far, about all we Jews can come up with for a good answer or reason is that…For an unknown reason, Jews are ALWAYS the 100% innocent, Victims, and never ever deserve it!” OyVey! Every Goyim is a Nazi that hates Jews and we never do anything wrong or bad….Innocent Victims I tells ya!

    • Replies: @anon
  52. If facts are anti-Semitic then is it possible that reality is anti-Semitic?

  53. Ron Unz

    You really should post the recent interview with Noam Chomsky on Democracy Now…..you really do…

  54. Corvinus says:
    @El'geherg

    “We are past the point of asking how we can remain united. The only question now is how to proceed with the divorce, politely or not so politely.”

    YOU and OTHERS may be past the point, but quite a number of (white) normies feel to the contrary. It is highly improbable that there will be this “divorce” or “breakup”. Now, assuming it does occur, I would prefer it happens “not so politely”. Why? Because it would force the arm-chair quarterbacks here who profess that they would be “front and center” when the “shooting starts” to actually commit themselves to that endeavor. In the end, it is just posturing, as this group of people thankfully lacks the guile, gumption, and requisite testosterone to start piling up bodies like cordwood.

  55. Binyamin says:
    @anon

    No, Mercer is not a rootless cosmopolitan – that would be an anti semitic slur. However she is a South African born serial immigrant who arrived in these shores in her middle age and immediately started calling America ‘my country’ in her rather deranged on line rantings.
    Mercer’s own immigration history in this country is rather dodgy. Her adult daughter was refused re entrance to this country presumably because her papers were not in order or she had overstayed-which is a polite way of saying the daughter was presumably an illegal immigrant. Personal grief aside, this probably explains why despite benefitting from living in one of the best countries on earth she makes treasonable remarks. Also the article displays a foreigner’s lack of knowledge of our traditions.

    • Replies: @riff raff
  56. The best single thing that could happen to the American people and the rest of the world, is for the United States to revert back to it’s original structure with each independent member state exercising full sovereignty, with each coming to the aid and defense of fellow sovereign states when and if called upon to do so. What I am describing of course is the form of government existing from the time of the founding of the United States (plural term) until Abraham Lincoln destroyed it.

  57. Corvinus says:
    @anarchyst

    “There used to be a time when just about ANY immigrant who set upon the shores of America was not only grateful, but willing to shed his “old world” ways and support his adopted country.”

    You truly are oblivious. The nativists were dead set opposed to the Irish, Germans, Italians, Slavs, and Poles because their customs and values would make “their nation” unrecognizable. These groups were insistent on maintaining their traditions. Moreover, the nativists pointed out that the Irish brought with them their “drunken brawling behaviors” and the Italians with their “mafioso lifestyles”–in other words, their “Old World” tendencies were imported here.

    You really need a good dose of Alt Right leader Vox Day, who says…“As you probably know, my argument is that the Posterity for whom the Constitution is intended to defend the Blessings of Liberty consists solely of the genetic descendants of the People of the several and United States. Posterity does not include immigrants, descendants of immigrants, invaders, conquerers, tourists, students, Americans born in Portugal, or anyone else who happens to subsequently reside in the same geographic location, or share the same civic ideals, as the original We the People. Many, if not most, descendants of immigrants are not the Posterity of the then-People of the United States. Neither are people living in Mexico, Germany, Israel, or even Great Britain. The U.S. Constitution was not written for them, nor was it ever intended to secure the Blessings of Liberty for them. The idea that the Constitution was intended to do anything at all for immigrants, resident aliens, or foreigners is as absurd as the idea that its emanations and penumbras provide them with an unalienable right to an abortion. The fact that courts have declared otherwise is totally irrelevant.”

    You have to go back, anarchyst.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    , @anarchyst
    , @Rich
  58. @Sir Launcelot Canning

    Well, the problem is lines like this:

    America is an economy, not a nation

    That’s complete bullshit. We have a cultural fabric here that remains well intact. It involves language, behavior, sports and many other things. Of course, anyone who uses “telly” wouldn’t get this. The irony is that she uses “telly” and then opines about the diminishing usage of the English language in the U.S. Sorry, but “telly” and “softly softly” will never be used in America. So yes, I can see why that part isn’t catching on.

    America is much more than an economy. This is the “proposition nation” crap that libertarians and neocons like to peddle.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  59. Surveys suggest Americans today would rather avoid one another, choosing instead to hunker down unhappily in front of the telly.

    Great article. Replace the word telly with cell phone, and it’s perfect.

  60. wayfarer says:

    As long as I’m learning something, I figure I’m OK – it’s a decent day.

    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_S._Thompson

  61. Anon[260] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reuben Kaspate

    We white and white-spectrum Americans try to do a fair bit of outreach to poor blacks, which is ill received as coming from those they consider racial enemies. From people who “look like them” it would be better received, as is to some extent the case with Islam.

    they ever behave like the local Bantus in your neighborhood

    They wouldn’t, but they can try to carry on the civilizing work you credit their own ancestors with. As long as they’re here, they might as well try to contribute as Christians to uplifting the more degraded members of their adopted society. Even Muslims do that much.

    Though of course there are also prudential reasons for holding off and avoiding too close an association.

  62. anarchyst says:
    @Corvinus

    I see our resident hasbara IDF 8200 representative is with us today. welcome…

    It is apparent that you need a history lesson in American history and jurisprudence…

    EVERY first generation ethnic group, from Irish, Polish, Italian, etc., that has come to these shores ALWAYS had a difficult time, was “discriminated” against, many times severely, and in general was not looked upon very well by those who arrived before them, BUT THEY PERSEVERED and DID take on the responsibility of becoming good American citizens and demanding that their offspring do the same.
    You can’t say the same thing about today’s immigrants, who almost always exhibit NO loyalty for their host country. It’s all about the money…and in the case of jews, power…
    It’s funny, the same thing also applies to jews, who have never fully assimilated (just like blacks), despite being here for hundreds of years, who hold loyalty to Israel and to the “tribe” above and beyond any loyalty to the United States of America, and in general, see the United States as their “cash cow” to be “milked”–nothing more.
    It was DEAD WHITE MALES who took government from being a master (where we are all subjects) to being a servant (with our rights inherent in being human) that are inviolate. The Constitution is the only document worldwide that places LIMITS on what government is allowed to do, to wit: “Congress shall make no law…
    You make the common mistake of judging those who preceded us by today’s standards. This is a common mistake that many historians make–judging the behavior of those who have lived in previous centuries by the standards of today…
    Regards,

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @Patricus
  63. Agent76 says:

    It is all a show for the Sheeple. *Astroturf* is the word of the day where bureaucrats have created tax free organizations and groups to drive and herd the public and their employer as well for their own job security.

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    https://yournewswire.com/paid-protest-crowds-demand-sued-extortion/

  64. Anon[127] • Disclaimer says:

    Another yellow dog used by the Glob to shut down free speech. Yellow dogs are so obedient and useful.

  65. Anon[127] • Disclaimer says:

    A righteous Negro.

  66. Rich says:
    @Corvinus

    Naturally, I can’t speak for everyone, but when my Italian grandfather came to America, he gave up Italy, became a baseball fan and loved this country. Three of his sons fought in WWII and one in Korea. We had pride in our heritage, but George Washington was our favorite president and America came first. I’m not convinced central American illegals give a damn about this country.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  67. @Rich

    Your failure here is to categorical distinction –

    skin color is benign it is a trait as to all other human traits. It is not indicative of any characteristic beyond being human.

    Furthermore and more importantly, your notation about color misses the mark to the issue. It was not that they would not serve, but they would serve to a degree less for the same dollar they took.

    A black could buy but must leave to eat, could buy but had to do this or that not applied to similar buyers. By taking money from black patrons one was obliged to provide equal service.

    Those were the issues. An entire system based on color that established unique downgrades to service for the same fee — is arbitrary and should remain illegal when “similarly situated” (I really like that term)

    ————————————–

    You are on the mark as to the other references as they indicate unique and distinct choices on practice or belief.

  68. Corvinus says:
    @anarchyst

    “EVERY first generation ethnic group, from Irish, Polish, Italian, etc., that has come to these shores ALWAYS had a difficult time, was “discriminated” against…”

    No need to put “discriminated” in quotes.

    “many times severely, and in general was not looked upon very well by those who arrived before them, BUT THEY PERSEVERED and DID take on the responsibility of becoming good American citizens and demanding that their offspring do the same.”

    In the same vein as most of our current immigrants today. Of course there were then, as now, those individuals who we would refer to as criminals and moral degenerates. But, back then, it did NOT matter to the nativists that these groups persevered or became good citizens. What was on the minds of nativists was that these groups would forever, and in a patently offensive manner, change the dynamics of our nation. Which, according to Alt Right leader Vox Day, is what occurred.

    “You can’t say the same thing about today’s immigrants, who almost always exhibit NO loyalty for their host country.

    Actually, a great deal of our immigrants today are hardworking, loyal, and have the capability of embracing our republican principles. It’s just that you have major difficulties admitting they are similar to your ancestors when it came to those characteristics.

    “It’s all about the money…and in the case of jews, power…”

    There you go again with your Jew fetish. You really have it out for them.

    “It’s funny, the same thing also applies to jews, who have never fully assimilated (just like blacks)…”

    That would be Fake News on your part.

    “It was DEAD WHITE MALES who took government from being a master (where we are all subjects) to being a servant (with our rights inherent in being human) that are inviolate.”

    Actually, it was men and women, from different races and ethnic groups, who ensured the success of that journey.

    “This is a common mistake that many historians make–judging the behavior of those who have lived in previous centuries by the standards of today…”

    Hopefully you will realize the simultaneous hypocrisy and irony of your statements on this topic, past and present.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  69. Corvinus says:
    @Rich

    “Naturally, I can’t speak for everyone, but when my Italian grandfather came to America, he gave up Italy, became a baseball fan and loved this country.”

    According to nativists back then, he still was an invader, an individual from a “lower class of people” who were “unfit to handle the bosom of democracy”. Not my sentiments, of course. But it did not matter that your grandpappy was willing to embrace the American lifestyle. He remained a “foreigner”.

    “I’m not convinced central American illegals give a damn about this country.”

    Like a number of immigrants who came here, past and present, most assuredly cared a great deal about our nation.

    https://myimmigrationstory.com/

  70. The future of the US seems to me more like Brazil. Although it would be better to dissolve all this, I don’t see it happening. Of course, there is no American nation anymore. But the country is so vast, so rich, so entangled with the entire world…and there are no real separatist groups.

    Deterioration & weakening seem more realistic. Brazil with nukes & Wall Street, inner city savagery plus mostly functional rural areas.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  71. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:

    Just one question ,

    North America ( or maybe we should say the north american elites ) is at war ( economic , cultural , military ) against many arab and african countries , against Russia ( communist of capitalist , does not matter ) , against China , even against european , latinamerican and other supossed allies . Sometimes it seems that North American is even at war against her own citizens .

    The North American elites are not stupid , why are they doing that ?

  72. Corvinus says:
    @Carroll Price

    “What I am describing of course is the form of government existing from the time of the founding of the United States (plural term) until Abraham Lincoln destroyed it.”

    Actually, southern slave owners “destroyed it”. And, rightfully so, they got their comeuppance. So Lincoln and those who were patriots–northerners AND southerners–put it all back together again.

    • Disagree: OEMIKITLOB
  73. peterAUS says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    The future of the US seems to me more like Brazil.

    … the country is so vast, so rich, so entangled with the entire world…and there are no real separatist groups.

    Deterioration & weakening seem more realistic. Brazil with nukes & Wall Street, inner city savagery plus mostly functional rural areas.

    Pretty much.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  74. Rich says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    You’re certainly entitled to your opinion that “skin color is benign”, but aren’t others allowed their opinion? Why is your assessment better than someone else’s? If you’re right, they fry cook who sells burgers to all comers will prosper over the one who doesn’t, and will come out ahead. Why should anyone be compelled to sell burgers to anyone he doesn’t want to? Individuals should have the right to do as they choose as long as they don’t physically harm anyone else. Why must you impose your values on others?

  75. @Franz

    Yes, Franz, your vision has some merit, but the problem is not the political quagmire. The real problem is the population in conjunction with depleting resources(fossil fuels, fresh water, topsoil).

    With proper preparation, you might be able to survive the coming crisis, but until we severely reduce the numbers of acquisitive Homo sapiens on this planet, the problem won’t go away.

    • Replies: @Franz
  76. @Corvinus

    Most Americans are beginning to understand that if the South’s had been successful in preserving a constitutional republic, that this country today wouldn’t be experiencing wide-spread looting, rioting, drive-by shootings, and wholesale theft being committed by a lawless black minority.

  77. @Rich

    Why should anyone be compelled to sell burgers to anyone he doesn’t want to? Individuals should have the right to do as they choose as long as they don’t physically harm anyone else. Why must you impose your values on others?

    Prior to Marxist civil rights legislation and Supreme Court decisions being imposed on the United States during the 1960s, Americans freely exercised the right to refuse service to anyone, for any reason, or for no reason.

  78. Rich says:
    @Corvinus

    I’m not sure I understand the point of your link. Everyone discriminated against everyone in the past. Immigrants came to America and assimilated. Do you think present day immigrants, especially illegal immigrants, are assimilating? Get out and see if that’s what’s actually happening. If we stopped all illegal immigration, it’s possible that legal Central American immigrants could become American, but illegals will never become Americans. That’s reality. When my grandfather came here, he was encouraged to become American, no one made an election ballot in his native tongue, every other radio station wasn’t in Italian and there were no Italian television stations. He married an American gal, so his situation was unique, but like most other European immigrants of the time, he came here to stay. The enormous number of illegals flooding the country today will change the nature of America, legal immigrants of the past, instead, adapted to the American culture.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  79. @anon

    there are probably 40 million illegal aliens in this country

    until they are thrown the hell out and the laws enforced once again, i have no interest in uniting

    Better hurry up, because it’s only seventeen months until Census Day.

    A century ago, immigrants were frightened into hiding on Census Day. By the Palmer raids.

    And those were often legal immigrants. In Republican states. Wilson’s people knew exactly what they were doing.

  80. @Quebecer

    I’m an American who lived in Ontario and that is a bit of a division there, though Anglo-Canadians and French-Canadians are both white.

    The odd thing is that with white Canadians you are either Anglo (Could be Ukrainian and they will still think Anglo-or French.

    Its a real division in your society. A strange one to a white from the US, as we are used to every white being the same.

    French-Canadians have been in North America for a long time. Much longer than most other whites. But they are distinct.

  81. @Carroll Price

    At a certain point, they would have been lured North by industrialization.

    Also, the whites of the North had a more impersonal view of blacks. Polish and Germans in Milwaukee, for example, did not care at all what the blacks did in their own neighborhoods. This was one reason for the lawlessness.

    In Milwaukee there was a bridge from little Africa to little Poland. One said was Brazil and the other was Warsaw.

  82. @EliteCommInc.

    It seems to me that you are failing to make a categorical distinction here also; namely, property owner.

    While one may find certain criteria repulsive for doing business with another, so long as the parties involved find the terms acceptable, that’s their business. Conversely, if one party does not find the terms acceptable, they are, and should be free to do business with someone who offers acceptable terms. If a business owner wants to assume certain risks, let them. This is how it should be. Making the State the arbiter and enforcer of what is legal or not is what is immoral and unnecessary.

    • Replies: @OEMIKITLOB
  83. @Corvinus

    Italians, Irish, Germans and Jews within a generation had taken over the cities and brought an enormous amount of energy and dynamism to the US.

    Let’s face it, prior to their arrival the US was a bunch of farmers. The industrial base was fueled by immigrants.

    The difference between the South or rural interior of the US and the Northeast or West Coast is that Italians, Irish, Jews and Germans brought their human capitol and mercantile savvy. The US was never going to be a Superpower with a bunch of bible-thumping British hicks running a feudal agrarian economy in Maine or Georgia.

    Of course immigrants also brought the mafia, urban corruption (Especially Italians) and lobby groups. They ghettoized cities to a degree, though within a generation or two they were middle-class (Italians took a bit longer).

    But today the East Coast and West Coast are the engines of power and wealth.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  84. @Corvinus

    Central Americans give a damn about this country?

    No. And many earlier arrivals did not care about the Puritan ethics, constitutional freedoms or other abstract values. The US is no longer a British ex-colony.

    They care about making money.

    If immigrants could not make money there would be fewer Italians, Irish, Eastern Europeans and far fewer Latinos. It is all about cash.

    In point of fact you are “freer” in many other countries where you bribe cops to do whatever you want. That is why men go to other countries as sex tourists. The right to simply do whatever you can pay for is greater in parts of Asia or even Russia.

    But, the US is stable.

  85. @OEMIKITLOB

    “Making the State the arbiter and enforcer of what is legal or not is what is immoral and unnecessary.”

    Oh, and it’s also the epitome of cognitive dissonance to believe an entity borne of violence and conquest is in a position to state what is moral and just to everyone else.

  86. @Corvinus

    ENGLISH vs CONTINENTAL

    Brits make wonderful settlers. You need them to colonize a country. The gritty sailors and explorer-sailors who came to America or Australia and actually built the infrastructure. The English system of law is excellent.

    Alas, when the cities are built and the natives subjugated the Italians, Jews and Eastern Europeans show a far greater flair for the corruption and under-the-table entrepreneurship that has made New York and the West Coast the power centers of wealth and influence.

    The races that showed up on the East Coast and later the West Coast were more street smart and adapted to urbanization. First the Irish-Catholics, who always lived under the yoke of English law and knew how to build a voting bloc and form unions. Then the Italians, from an ancient corrupt civilization where bribery had always been a way of doing things. Jews of course, who understood populist tendencies and how to make a buck. Asians with their hive mentality and equal understanding of bribery and corruption.

  87. @peterAUS

    By importing an Asian over-class, Australia is subverting itself to an economic apartied that the US won’t experience.

    It is already happening in Australian cities. The Chinese have more or less colonized them and whites cannot afford to stay there.

    In economic terms, Australia may be one more Asian country run by a Chinese merchant syndicate.

    • Replies: @LostHopeless
  88. @Carroll Price

    Blacks would have come North anyhow because of industrialization.

    The North might have tried to pay the South to keep blacks from immigrating like the Caravan right now if the South became a different country.

  89. Corvinus says:
    @Carroll Price

    “Most Americans are beginning to understand that if the South’s had been successful in preserving a constitutional republic…”

    You mean most Americans YOU know. And the South was particularly interested in preserving slavery.

    “that this country today wouldn’t be experiencing wide-spread looting, rioting, drive-by shootings, and wholesale theft being committed by a lawless black minority.”

    Assuredly, blacks commit major crimes, but that would be no different than other racial groups in America. Take whites, for instances. They are known for embezzlement. Probably an in-born trait. You know, with their “invade the world, invite the world” streak in them.

    “Prior to Marxist civil rights legislation and Supreme Court decisions being imposed on the United States during the 1960s, Americans freely exercised the right to refuse service to anyone, for any reason, or for no reason.”

    Civil rights legislation was not Marxist, it was enacted by Congress in response to citizen actions. And as far as this “free exercise” regarding service, there were southern whites who had desired to conduct business with and (gasp) even marry southern blacks, but Jim Crow laws infringed upon the liberties of both groups. You really need to reconsider this notion of “freedom of association” in this context.

    • Replies: @anon
  90. @Quebecer

    CANADA DIVIDED-

    As a Detroit white in Ontario, I quickly learned to avoid Natives. They were like some third world population. French-Canadians taught me that.

    Those people were in third world conditions, seemingly. And a great many Anglo and French-Canadians seemed to hold Natives in contempt-not that I blamed them.

    Canada had vast ethnic/regional divides. The Newfies reminded me of Appalachians. And Natives looked like Mexicans but reminded me more of blacks.

  91. @Carroll Price

    I agree with this in principle but I would argue that the decentralization process can, and should, be taken further.

  92. anon[707] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Ron’s website has attracted brain power, and many excellent articles and comments, but

    The web site has produced many work-in-processes that have no finished products.

    Thus far, website suggest
    Jewish hate is binary,
    Jews are in possession of 92% of the wealth,
    Political systems that admit Jews are eventually controlled or dominated by Jews.
    Jewish presence seems always to excuse or rise a jew to the top of place, environment or circumstance.

    but the website has not yet produced an explanation for how or why
    Jewish hate is polarized
    political systems end up Jewish dominated
    economic systems make Jews disproportionately wealthy
    society promotes the Jew to the top.

    It might be useful to require articles and comments to state the hypotheses each paragraph in the article or comment is addressing, in some kind of retrievable and in some kind of testable claim (all horses are red). with Keywords horse and red. This is not a complaint, but a recommendation to be considered.

  93. @Anonymous

    Exactly. Racism is bigotry plus power. And Jews are powerless, so… hey wait a sec! By the left’s own definitions anti-semitism is impossible!

  94. anon[641] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    Assuredly, blacks commit major crimes, but that would be no different than other racial groups in America. Take whites, for instances. They are known for embezzlement. Probably an in-born trait. You know, with their “invade the world, invite the world” streak in them.

    what kind of crimes are jews known for?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
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    One of the most compelling and important documentaries in recent years because it helps us make sense of the lies, mayhem, and injustice in the heart of the Middle East: Palestine. Never has propaganda, or ‘public relations,’ been such a lethal weapon as it is in the hands of Israel, its apologists, and manipulators. To reach behind the facade that is ‘news,’ watch this film.”
    John Pilger, Journalist and Filmmaker

    A stunning exposé on how propaganda drives public opinion and, in turn, our understanding of reality. Here’s the story of how American perceptions of the Middle East — as well as resulting legislation and military strategy — are engineered: from focus group to talking points to mortar fire.”
    Douglas Rushkoff, Professor, Media Theory, CUNY, and Media Commentator for CNN

    A remarkable achievement. Anyone who wishes to understand the deeper reasons for America’s utter failure to bring peace to the region should begin by watching this powerful film.”
    Avi Shlaim, Professor Emeritus, Oxford University

    A powerful film that exposes an infuriating reality. You cannot watch this film without grieving for the Palestinians, for the propaganda we’ve been subjected to, for the terrible mistakes we’ve made supporting horrific Israeli policies that have caused such suffering.”
    Medea Benjamin, co-founder of Code Pink

    This terrific and memorable film comes at just the right time, when the lockstep mentality that promotes Zionist sympathies in the U.S. is eroding fast. The film lays bare the fictions that underpinned this mentality for so long, and shows us why these fabrications are now being challenged so confidently.”
    Andrew Ross, New York University

    This hard-hitting, fact-based documentary is a must-see for anyone who wants to understand the Palestinian-Israeli conflict and how the American public has been systematically lied to again and again. An indispensable resource for both the novice and the expert.”
    Deepa Kumar, Associate Professor, Rutgers University

    The Occupation of the American Mind is one of the most brilliant and important documentaries I have ever seen. If you’re a university librarian or faculty member who cares about open debate and free inquiry on American college campuses, you absolutely have to make sure this film is in your school’s collection. It’s mandatory viewing for students who want to understand how powerful interests manipulate the news and politics in a ‘free’ society. It will change the way they understand the world.”
    Robert W. McChesney, Professor of Communication, University of Illinois at Urbana–Champaign

    more,,,,,

    • Replies: @anon
  96. @anon

    BOWERS EXAMPLE

    Bowers was born to poor young parents (His father was only 20) and his father committed suicide at 27 when Bowers was seven years old in 1979.

    He dropped out of high school in 1989, when he was seventeen.

    He was employed by a trucking firm. A job that could be affected by immigration.

    Now let us take the average Jew.

    Parents probably pay for college. No severe dysfunction in the household. Jew is raised to put educational attainment and money above all else-even at the cost of delaying marriage or kids. And of course Nepotism-but Arabs, Italians, Hindus, Irish-Catholics, Hispanics do this too.

    92% of the wealth is ridiculous. The richest whites in the US are not Jewish. Gates, Trump, Buffet.

    Politically the closest a Jew has come to the Presidency is doing a BJ in the white house.

    • Replies: @Rich
  97. anon[641] • Disclaimer says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    Your failure here is to categorical distinction –

    skin color is benign it is a trait as to all other human traits. It is not indicative of any characteristic beyond being human.

    skin color represents behavior as well – generally the darker the skin color the more violent and criminal the behavior

  98. anon[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous Jew

    The left’s America would look equivalent to Mexico, but adding Blacks at the bottom and Asians at the top.

    You mean Jews at the top? Asians will do all the work, Jews will take all the credit.
    Blacks and browns will eventually rise up as Obama said in his Audacity of Hope, and they will slaughter the Asians and Jews for not giving them their share. Once the Jews and Asians are gone the blacks and browns will turn on each other and burn the house down.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  99. @Rich

    No cake for you!
    With all due respect I do have to disagree with you.
    Anybody selling hamburgers or any shelf item must sell indiscriminately to everybody.
    No exception!!!!
    Concerning wedding cake it is another bowl of wax . Wedding cake is made to precisely to the customers specification. It is entering into contract maker (baker) and customer.
    It is usually verbal contract. In this case the baker may refuse to enter the contract.
    Baker may refuse the contract for variety of reasons, usually for having no confidence in customer.

    • Replies: @Rich
  100. anon[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    The whole world is either anti-semitic or wary-semitic. The only people who love Jews are those who don’t know the difference between Jews and whites, and worship them as one and the same, like Indians.

  101. renfro says:

    Fuck Trump and his Jew policies.

    US rebuffs Europeans over ensuring Iran sanctions exempt food and medicine

    ”European governments have so far failed to persuade the Trump administration to guarantee Iranian imports of basic foods and medicine after the imposition of blanket sanctions next week, according to diplomats familiar with the negotiations.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/02/iran-sanctions-us-european-humanitarian-supplies?CMP=share_btn_tw&#8217;

    Yep, Jews love to starve people, saves the bullets from just shooting them outright.

    Schumer Says It ‘Makes Sense’ To ‘Strangle [Gaza] Economically’ Until …

    https://thinkprogress.org/schumer-says-it-makes-sense-to-strangle-gaza-economically-&#8230;

  102. renfro says:

    The more they try to choke off complaints and criticism,the more no debate or questioning can be allowed ….the more we will have episodes where someone snaps like the synagogue shooting.

    https://honestreporting.ca/hrc-files-complaint-with-cbsc-after-anti-semitic-tirade-aired-on-hamilton-radio-station/

    Home Media Action Alerts2017 HRC Files Complaint with CBSC After Anti-Semitic Tirade Aired on Hamilton Radio Station

    Today, HonestReporting Canada (HRC), a non-profit media watchdog organization that ensures fair and accurate Canadian media coverage of Israel, filed an official complaint with the Canadian Broadcast Standards Council (CBSC), regarding a caller’s anti-Semitic tirade that was aired on the evening of July 30 on the Ben Guyatt Show on AM 900 CHML, a Corus radio station in Hamilton.
    In a call-in segment with its listeners, a caller from the U.S. went on an anti-Semitic tirade for close to five minutes. A caller named Scott from Massachusetts claimed that Jews are a “cancer,” that the Protocol of the Elders of Zion is “absolutely authentic” and ranted about Jewish conspiracy theories such as Jewish control over government, media, Wall Street and Hollywood. Alarmingly, the caller claimed that Jews “are out to destroy the United States” and alleged that American foreign policy in the Mideast was “hijacked by Jewish influences”.

    • Replies: @anon
  103. @anon

    He he he!
    You remind me something about myself. When I was young I always had an admiration for Jews.
    They always were joining the poor and oppressed working class in their fight against rich and powerful.
    But later in my years I did came to realization that there was not so much altruism in Jewish ways.
    They were doing it only to get rid of entrenched ruling class, so to be able replaced them by themselves.

  104. @Corvinus

    You are ridiculous. The US Army invaded Virginia in 1861. Lincoln’s armies also made war on southern civilians too force the Confederate government to surrender. You are really uneducated.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  105. Franz says:
    @Darrell Dullnig

    Agree, and no reservations.

    An early prepper commented in a Sci-Fi magazine in the 1970s (no kidding) that H. Sap. can either prune his “scrub stock” or die.

    In the 1070s, the World Health Organization (with plenty of Rockefeller/Rothschild money) held a crash course with a Mexican program to save the world from hunger with a crop program that gave the world dwarf wheat and an “end to world hunger” by the Reagan years.

    Ending world hunger had the logical effect of giving us World Overpopulation. This is a huge barrier, and I can think of no peaceful way of getting human population back in line with human values, freedom and dignity.

    No slur on the scientists/chemists who “ended hunger.”

    They just made a bigger problem. The old “law of unintended consequences.”

  106. @anon

    JEWS & ASIANS An IQ Examination

    Jews cannot make Asians become teen parents (Blacks, Hispanics) or have have out-of-wedlock children (rednecks).

    Jews cannot force Asians to drop out of high school (Blacks, white proles, Hispanics) and Asians go to college for STEM not to become Communists-a system that their families are trying to get away from.

    Jews cannot force Asian women to want to date or become pregnant by Hood Rats or Whiggers.

    Jews cannot force Asians to take stupid drugs like meth or Heroin pills (Though some import it) or crack cocaine.

    Jews cannot make Asians believe anything on the media some Hollywood coke head writes.

    Jews cannot make Asians that black thugs are worth admiring or that whatever cultural degradation Jews are accused of promoting is worth throwing over the STEM degree for.

    Blacks and Hispanics would not be able to distinguish a Jew from a Swede and would rob or victimize them equally.

  107. @Bragadocious

    I visited the USA several times, stayed at the homes of USA friends.
    If any country, in my opinion, does not have a culture, it is the USA.
    Probably USA citizens assert that there is a USA culture, because they never were in countries with a culture, or were not long enough there, to understand the cultural differences.
    Let me give you one example, not a single Dutch migrant to France ever got a decent job there.
    In France the patron is always right, in the Netherlands criticising the boss is the rule.

  108. Corvinus says:
    @anon

    “what kind of crimes are jews known for?”

    Jews, like any ethnic group, have its individual members commit all kinds of crimes, from minor to severe.

    • Replies: @anon
  109. @Franz

    Yes, of course, and Malthus was right all along. It is likely the elite have for some time been convinced the stock needed thinning, and that fits well with current political and economic measures globally. In conjunction with comments inscribed on the Georgia Guidestones concerning the goal of total global population of five hundred million, the idea is far from being wildly speculative.

    I would take it a step further, and state that all things considered, not only is drastic thinning eminent, but unmistakably desirable for the sake of the earth itself, without which humans have no future anyway. So, in a sense, the plan seems quite logical, if ruthless.

  110. @jilles dykstra

    What do a Dutch Calvinist American from Western Michigan and Asians in California have in common really? What IS their cultural similarity?

    Go to Grand Rapids, Michigan and you’ll see the Old Netherlands trapped in time. Not the new Holland of today. ‘

    One thing about the United States is that Old Europe is sort of preserved there.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  111. @jilles dykstra

    I visited the USA several times, stayed at the homes of USA friends.

    You expert you. Have you considered applying for a university position in Holland as a lecturer on America?

    Let me give you one example, not a single Dutch migrant to France ever got a decent job there.

    This is the best example of a deep and lasting “culture” you can find? Color me unimpressed.

    I’ll concede that European countries have long histories; they also are inclined to engage in periodic genocidal bloodletting where millions die. So your cultures have distinct downsides.

  112. @Franz

    While attempting to right perceived wrongs & injustices, Do-Gooders invariably create a wide range of previously non-existent wrongs and injustices, with the new wrongs and injustices far exceeding and out-weighing the original wrongs and injustices. LBJ’s War on Poverty serves as a good example. Prior to the ill-conceived War on Poverty, the number of illegitimate births among the American Negro community (with no father figure present in the household) was around 30% (5% for Whites), but which quickly mushroomed through the roof to what today is well over 85%, with parents, offspring, and huge population of male breeders living and thriving at taxpayer expense. LBJ’s War on Drugs is as another good example, with expensive illegal drug acquisition and consumption leading directly to unprecedented waves of violence, crime, and theft of private property

  113. Rich says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    How quickly everyone has forgotten Al Gore’s vice presidential running mate, Joe Lieberman. He came within a few hanging chads of being next in line for the presidency. Had Gore won, Lieberman probably would have eventually gotten the nomination. Former NYC Mayor Bloomberg considered running in 2008, but his pollsters told him a Jew could never win. Then the crazy Americans elected that empty suit, Obama, Bloomberg is still kicking himself.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
    , @Patricus
  114. @Rich

    I’m unconvinced that Lieberman would have been worse than Bush. I don’t think anyone would have been. For all the talk of Jews being responsible for Iraq, I think he would not have invaded the country.

    Besides, the POTUS is simply a mascot for special interest groups. Let’s face it.

    Trump ran on a lark because he could afford to.

  115. Rich says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    I’m curious, why “must” people be compelled to sell their product or service to everybody? Why shouldn’t individuals be allowed freedom of association? Why does government have to be involved in anything other than law enforcement and national defense? It doesn’t have to be that way. They really don’t have to be involved in every facet of out lives.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  116. ” they also are inclined to engage in periodic genocidal bloodletting where millions die. ”

    Without USA support there would never have been a WWI, Britain and France could not fight without USA food, weapons, ammunition, bought on credit in the USA.
    The Churchill FDR correspondence began in 1933, it still is secret for a large part.
    Churchill stopped peace negotiations with Germany on the day FDR succeeded in making pro war Willkie Republican presidential candidate.

    Millions never died in European wars until the USA began to interfere in Europe.
    Unconditional surrender, a FDR invention.
    After war began between Germany and the USSR within a few days both Britain and FDR chose sides.
    What would have happened had GB and USA not supported Stalin, you know, the Berlin blockade guy, anybody’s guess.

    In European wars without USA interference fighting stopped when it was clear which side would win, peace ngotiations then began.

    • Replies: @Bragadocious
  117. Patricus says:
    @anarchyst

    Where I live the Jews are pretty thoroughly assimilated. They all have Christmass lights and trees, take their kids trick or treating, etc. There is no way to know they are Jewish unless they tell you. Unfortunately They always vote for Democrats. That might justify a pogrom and deportation.

  118. @Jeff Stryker

    It would take a lot of space here to explain what Dutch culture is.
    Maybe it helps if I explain that already in the 17th century foreign visitors to the world’s first republic were amazed at our social security systems.
    D.J. Roorda, ‘Ambassadeur in de Lage Landen, William Temple, Observations upon the United Provinces’, Haarlem 1978

  119. Patricus says:
    @Rich

    “I wouldn’t want to live in a neighborhood that allows people like me to live there.” Groucho Marx

  120. Corvinus says:
    @Jesse James

    “The US Army invaded Virginia in 1861.”

    You mean the Union Army was putting down a rebellion.

    “Lincoln’s armies also made war on southern civilians too force the Confederate government to surrender.”

    The concept of total war by Sherman’s army is indeed controversial, but at the time necessary. Southern civilians had a choice–surrender or face destruction. They choose poorly.

  121. Patricus says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Modern cultures exhibit American culture more than their own. It is dissapointing for the American traveler to see little but imitation America in Europe and elsewhere.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  122. Patricus says:
    @Rich

    Bloomberg might be popular in New York but the rest of the country wouldn’t support him. It probably has nothing to do with being Jewish. He would be a bore as a Methodist.

  123. @Rich

    It is not complicated.
    Imagine that a person open a business selling baked products. Fist thing he puts out sign Baked products. Imagine that you are person who needs a loaf of bread. You enter the store and sales person will tell we do not serve people of your kind. So you made the trip to that store in wain so you are upset. You have expended your time and effort for nothing , You would have a case of false advertising because the advertising of the business is incomplete.

    You are mild person but you would tell him that in that case he should have put out sign that we do not serve these kind of people.

    With wedding cake is different because the product is custom made the price is determined by agreement and so it is a contract, In a free society nobody can force anybody to enter into any kind of contract.

    (This is my opinion and I do not remember the decision of Supreme court on the matter.)

    • Replies: @Rich
    , @LemmingsFolly
  124. Patricus says:
    @Corvinus

    Virginia didn’t want to secede until it was learned Lincoln intended to send a conscript army to their land. Drunks with guns. Freeing slaves was a canard ginned up generations after the war. If Hitler and Stalin conquered the world they would claim to have freed the slaves.

    Before Lincoln Americans were not known for making war on women and children. That has become our signature in the 20th century and beyond. Let’s hope there is not a just God.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  125. Rich says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    How about if there was a sign in the window that said “Whites Only”? And what about if every ad specified that the business only served Whites? Would that pass your test? Or how about if we just let individual business owners do business with whomever they choose? I don’t understand why that is the least bit controversial, except in this weird, twisted up world we have today. Let the market determine who succeeds, the man who only wants to serve one group, or the universalist. I don’t think the government has any business interfering in the business of free citizens.

    • Agree: Carroll Price
    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  126. @Rich

    Please do not misunderstand me. I am totally with you.
    But everything in US already for a long time is under Zionist control. That includes Congress, Senate,
    Government, and Supreme court.
    And so many laws were passed in the field of desegregation, human rights, affirmative actions, etc.
    These laws were passed mostly by democrats under Zionist control. To brake this laws result in severe punishment.
    What is right, or what is wrong is a subjective matter. But law is a law, even if that has destructive effect on American society.

    • Replies: @Carroll Price
    , @OEMIKITLOB
  127. SafeNow says:
    @Them Guys

    “hate every possible thing white”

    Yes, hate, but at the same time, often glad to see it. Airline pilots, surgeons, plumbers, carpenters, etc. etc. It must be a difficult ambivalent feeling to be a progressive hipster getting on an airplane, and looking to the left, and seeing Whitey sitting at the controls; you hate him, but you’re darn glad this is Whitey sitting there.

  128. Agent76 says:

    Oct 29, 2018 HIDDEN SECRETS OF MONEY

    Fall Of Empires: Rome vs USA (Hidden Secrets Of Money Ep 9)

  129. @jilles dykstra

    Millions never died in European wars until the USA began to interfere in Europe.

    Wow! That’s a new one. Did you learn that in Holland primary school? University of Utrecht? Talk about revisionist Eurotrash history. It truly is scary that this is what Europeans are taught about WW1 and WW2.

    Just FYI, Europe went bungling into WW1 quite without our help. Once it started, yes, we sent the U.K. bombs and ships. Good business is good business. If you people want to kill each other off, why not make a buck off it? Same with WW2. America’s impulse was to stay out (god bless America). If it were up to me, we wouldn’t have lifted a finger or sent one soldier to Europe.

  130. @jilles dykstra

    One of the few places in America you will find anything resembling culture would be in a few isolated, areas of the South and Midwest where there are few if any Negroes. Florida, the home of millions of Yankees fleeing confiscatory taxes and regulations is the best example of an area with nothing remotely resembling a culture. California is another one, maybe even worse

  131. @Corvinus

    In April 1861, the US invaded the State of Virginia, a member of a duly constituted foreign state known as The Confederate States of America.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Corvinus
  132. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    I don’t believe anyone would be able to seriously argue that laws mandating forcing businesses or individuals to sell, buy, or in any manner whatsoever to do business with anyone against their will are 100% Marxist in nature.

  133. Corvinus says:
    @Patricus

    “Virginia didn’t want to secede until it was learned Lincoln intended to send a conscript army to their land. Drunks with guns.”

    Here is what actually happened. At the Richmond convention (February 1861), Henry Lewis Benning delivered an impassioned speech, appealing to racial prejudices and pro-slavery sentiments, that urged secession.

    “Freeing slaves was a canard ginned up generations after the war.”

    You are ignorant. In the 1850′s, pro-slavery and anti-slavery forces waged war in Congress and in the territories.

    “Before Lincoln Americans were not known for making war on women and children.”

    Thousands of dead Injun squaws, with their papooses in tow, would beg to differ. Thanks, Andrew Jackson!

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
    , @OEMIKITLOB
  134. Corvinus says:
    @Carroll Price

    “In April 1861, the US invaded the State of Virginia, a member of a duly constituted foreign state known as The Confederate States of America.”

    You mean it was a Civil War, and there were invasions by the North and South for four years. And it was a suppression of a rebellion.

    As ex-soldier, lawyer, and science fiction writer Tom Kratman wrote, “Once someone has seceded, once they put an army in the field, then there’s not a lot of legal recourse; there’s only meeting them with a bigger or better army or hoping they come to their senses, or acquiescing in the creation of a long term threat. The latter’s right out. Given that secession was more a child’s tantrum than a movement from grown men, there wasn’t a lot of hope for the latter.”

    • Replies: @OEMIKITLOB
    , @Carroll Price
  135. Corvinus says:
    @Rich

    “Immigrants came to America and assimilated.”

    Indeed, past and present.

    “Do you think present day immigrants, especially illegal immigrants, are assimilating? Get out and see if that’s what’s actually happening.”

    Indeed, yesteryear’s and today’s immigrants are assimilating, to varying degrees. The point here is that you are using the same arguments made by your ancestors against nativists. The Know Nothings of the 1850′s in particular believed a “Romanist” conspiracy was afoot to subvert civil and religious liberty in the United States and sought to politically organize native-born Protestants in what they described as a defense of their traditional religious and political values. The nativists did not care that the Irish, Italians, Slavs, and Poles were European; they were concerned that they would forever change their nation’s character for the worse. Now, when the shoe is on the other foot, and you are calling out those immigrants who are coming here for the same exact reasons as your ancestors, you insist that they are incapable of immersing themselves into our society. Do you not realize the hypocrisy on your part?

    “If we stopped all illegal immigration, it’s possible that legal Central American immigrants could become American…”

    It’s not possible, it’s probable. And not could, but would.

    “but illegals will never become Americans.”

    I actually support stopping illegal immigration, and prosecuting those who harbor illegals and/or provide them with employment. But your sentiment demonstrates the same hostility by nativists.

    “That’s reality. When my grandfather came here, he was encouraged to become American, no one made an election ballot in his native tongue, every other radio station wasn’t in Italian and there were no Italian television stations.

    “He married an American gal…”

    You mean a girl who had been an immigrant and who became an American.

    “so his situation was unique, but like most other European immigrants of the time, he came here to stay.”

    Just like non-European immigrants.

    “The enormous number of illegals flooding the country today will change the nature of America, legal immigrants of the past, instead, adapted to the American culture.”

    LOL, do you understand it made no difference to nativists the legal status of immigrants? The Irish, Italians, Slavs, and Poles were invaders, regardless if they were legal or illegal. These groups were completely incapable of learning our laws and embracing our customs. Their presence would pollute our society. Yet, you are giving a free pass to your ancestors.

    As far as today’s immigrants, legal or illegal, from Mexico and Central America when it comes to employment…

    “The occupational distributions of the first and second generations reveal a picture of intergenerational improvement similar to that for education and earnings. The groups concentrated in low-status occupations in the first generation improve their occupational position substantially in the second generation, although they do not reach parity with third+ generation Americans. Second generation children of immigrants from Mexico and Central America have made large leaps in occupational terms: 22 percent of second generation Mexican men and 31 percent of second generation men from Central America in 2003-2013 were in professional or managerial positions. Like their foreign-born fathers, second generation men were overrepresented in service jobs, although they have largely left agricultural work. Second generation Mexican men were also less likely than their immigrant parents to take jobs in the informal sector and were more likely to receive health and retirement benefits through their employment. The occupational leap for second generation women for this period was even greater, and the gap separating them from later generation women narrowed greatly.”

    https://www.nap.edu/read/21746/chapter/2#4

    • Replies: @Rich
  136. Corvinus says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    “In Milwaukee there was a bridge from little Africa to little Poland. One said was Brazil and the other was Warsaw.”

    That is not even remotely accurate.

    “Central Americans give a damn about this country? No.”

    That would be your opinion. I would venture to say that any immigrant who desires to come here wants to make good on the America promise.

    “The occupational distributions of the first and second generations reveal a picture of intergenerational improvement similar to that for education and earnings. The groups concentrated in low-status occupations in the first generation improve their occupational position substantially in the second generation, although they do not reach parity with third+ generation Americans. Second generation children of immigrants from Mexico and Central America have made large leaps in occupational terms: 22 percent of second generation Mexican men and 31 percent of second generation men from Central America in 2003-2013 were in professional or managerial positions. Like their foreign-born fathers, second generation men were overrepresented in service jobs, although they have largely left agricultural work. Second generation Mexican men were also less likely than their immigrant parents to take jobs in the informal sector and were more likely to receive health and retirement benefits through their employment. The occupational leap for second generation women for this period was even greater, and the gap separating them from later generation women narrowed greatly.”

    https://www.nap.edu/read/21746/chapter/2#4

    “And many earlier arrivals did not care about the Puritan ethics, constitutional freedoms or other abstract values.”

    Another opinion on your part. But I would imagine that a number of European and non-European immigrants shared the sentiments of Carl Schurz, a German immigrant and American statesmen from the late 1800′s. In other words, they decidedly cared about such things.

    “We are likewise all agreed that, on the whole, the immigration from Italy, Hungary, Russia, Poland, and so on, may not be as desirable as that from Germany, Ireland, and the Scandinavian countries. It is also true that now and then complaint is heard from places in which such immigrants congregate in large numbers. But does any broad-minded American really think that two or three hundred thousand immigrants a year, most of whom are scattered over a vast extent of country, can permanently lower the standard of citizenship among a people of seventy-three millions? Does not every man of experience who has seen much of this country know that some of the States in which the foreign-born population is proportionately strongest are among the most orderly, best-governed, and most prosperous in the land; and that the descendants of the immigrants, though they be even Italians or Russians, are in the second generation well Americanized, and in the third hardly distinguishable in looks as well as habits and ways of thinking from the natives surrounding them? Has the assimilating force of American life and of our free institutions so completely run out that, in our congenial climatic conditions, we would despair of absorbing into our social body without serious danger a comparatively small number of people belonging to races which have shown themselves elsewhere capable of a high order of civilization? And as to the labor argument, is not there something supremely absurd in the idea that in this country, with its immense undeveloped resources, the interests of labor would be best promoted by keeping the producing force at the lowest possible ebb, for fear of an increased competition of labor? Do not the labor philosophers who entertain that idea see that the more producers there are in such a country the more consumers there will be, and the better the market for the products of labor? And do they not see also that the new-comers very quickly demand the American standard of wages, and will soon rise to the American standard of living?”

    Indeed, yesteryear’s and today’s immigrants are assimilating, to varying degrees. The point here is that you are using the same arguments made by your ancestors against nativists. The Know Nothings of the 1850′s in particular believed a “Romanist” conspiracy was afoot to subvert civil and religious liberty in the United States and sought to politically organize native-born Protestants in what they described as a defense of their traditional religious and political values. The nativists did not care that the Irish, Italians, Slavs, and Poles were European; they were concerned that they would forever change their nation’s character for the worse. Now, when the shoe is on the other foot, and you are calling out those immigrants who are coming here for the same exact reasons as your ancestors, you insist that they are incapable of immersing themselves into our society. Do you not realize the hypocrisy on your part?

  137. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Reductio ad absurdum. By your “logic” people would be morally obligated to follow every law no matter how destructive it is.

    Further still, by stating right and wrong find their basis in subjectivity, one could argue that the more wrong and destructive the law is, the more obligated that one is to obey it!

    You are incorrect and don’t know what you’re talking about. Give up trying to defend your position.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  138. @Carroll Price

    Do you mean to say “are not…”?

  139. @jilles dykstra

    People still speak Dutch in Western Michigan and half the population of Friesland moved there after the war.

    More Dutch people live in Grand Rapids than they do in Rotterdam. And in any event I’ve been to Holland.

    My point is that to really see the Old Europe you have to go to the US. Because Dutch-American Calvinist communities for example, are lost in time and space.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  140. @Patricus

    White culture came from Europe to begin with. Americans did not invent pizza, Italians IN America invented it. America did not invent Levi’s jeans, a German Jewish miner invented them IN America. Most of the things invented in the United States were done so by Europeans.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  141. @Carroll Price

    CAROLL’S CULTURE

    The South are a bunch of Brits whose culture has nothing to do with the German-American/Scandinavian culture of the North Central Great Lakes.

    Italian-Americans have a culture in the Northeast and this has nothing to do with the quasi-Rhodesia British Colony that was the South.

    Being a German-American from the Michigan/Canadian border I don’t share the culture of English sailors and French-Canadian refugees in the swamps and hollows of the South. I’m not from Scotland or Northern Ireland. I’m from the Polish and German and Scandinavian influenced upper Midwest.

    Whatever the English culture-or Scottish or Northern Irish-of the South is, I am genetically and religiously apart from it. People in the Upper Midwest and New England share more cultural similarities with Canada than with the Florida Keys.

    The South is a tropical second-world Banana Republic on periphery of Latin America.

    • Replies: @Patricus
  142. @Carroll Price

    CARROLL

    Addendum-

    You Scots and French down in the South were the ones that fornicated with Africans to create the modern-day US Negro in the first place.

    Germans and Italians and Norwegians of the Northeast and North-Central US did not intermingle with US Negroes. We brought our own women and were ourselves the slaves and small business owners of the industrial North.

    Please don’t impose the Brit colonial mores of the South on me. I’m a German-American from the Canadian border.

    Of course it is the rust belt now.

    But I am of a different ethnicity than a white Southerner. You people are British sailors and French-Canadian refugees. That has nothing to do with the Polka festivals or German holidays of Michigan or Milwaukee.

    • Replies: @Carroll Price
  143. @Corvinus

    “Actually, southern slave owners “destroyed it”. And, rightfully so, they got their comeuppance. So Lincoln and those who were patriots–northerners AND southerners–put it all back together again.”

    This is a false statist narrative that has been thoroughly refuted and destroyed by Tom Woods, Tom Dilorenzo, Brian McClanahan and many others and no person can defend it with any intellectual integrity having read the relevant literature.

    Every informed person knows that Lincoln viewed blacks/slaves as inferior to whites and that he would have sent them back from whence they came if it was up to him.

    Lincoln was a tyrant who used the pretext of freeing slaves to evoke an emotional response and support from the population when what he really had in mind was to consolidate and centralize the power of the Federal government to prevent the southern states from exercising their Constitutional right to secede. Lincoln didn’t care about slaves.

    He and his New England Yankee cronies didn’t want to lose the tax revenue of the southern states and that is what the War of Northern aggression was really about.

    Please cite the source(s) of your view.

    p.s. It is insulting to true American patriots to refer to Lincoln as one in light of his actions.

    • Agree: Carroll Price
    • Replies: @Corvinus
  144. @Corvinus

    Red Indian primitives from the jungles of Central America and Russians who are Orthodox as oppose to British Protestant are not a valid comparison. The Central American immigrants are Red Indians headhunters who swing machetes in the suburbs of Long Island.

    Italians struggled to assimilate which made no difference because they tend to be more cunning and savvy than Brit-descended hicks in the sticks so they now have more money on the Northeast Coast than the Colonial stock whites who opposed them.

    What is the most influential and important city East of California? New York. Who are the influential people there? Italian-Americans. Well them and Jews and Irish-Catholics. It ain’t Baptists who trace their colonial roots to Charlamagne or whoever.

    However, Italians had a hard time giving up the mafia and under-the-table bribery and backroom deals in the United States. They fairly well corrupted the unions and even made the union power boss disappear. Probably more than one. They may have killed Kennedy.

    Once you get past Sicilians, you are talking about people who will never assimilate. And US blacks are not African. They are a Mulatto product of Scottish and British men shafting African slaves. And yet after 400 years look at their state.

    What is my point? Central Americans are Red Indians. And Red Indians have seemingly never had much success getting along with the people that replaced them on this continent.

    This is the truth. It cannot be refuted.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  145. @Corvinus

    What do you now of Milwaukee? Or its Polish community separated from the ghetto by a bridge? Nothing.

    Right off the top it is apparent you are from the South or Southwest. The Slavic and Central European heritage of the Upper Midwestern North Central Great Lakes states is completely foreign to you.

    Perhaps you know the Cholo history of the Southwest and I have no doubt that the Red Indians will turn that into an Aztec alter of slaughter eventually.

    But you do not know the US/Canada border of the Nordics and Teutons and Slavs.

  146. @Corvinus

    If you think that co-existing with Native Americans could be done or that they will love you…take a trip up to Northern Ontario.

    They would have been at war with Europeans anyhow.

    And will be again because they are fleeing Latin America.

  147. @jilles dykstra

    Dutch Calvinist cities in Michigan are nicer than Rotterdam or Amsterdam because there are no Moroccans. You can still find tulip festivals but no Berber cutthroats.

  148. @Corvinus

    ” In the 1850′s, pro-slavery and anti-slavery forces waged war in Congress and in the territories”.

    This is true, but it does not logically follow that freeing slaves was the true purpose of Lincoln and his cronies/ideological allies for the War of Northern aggression; it is a non-sequitur.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  149. @Corvinus

    “And it was a suppression of a rebellion.”

    You are obfuscating here. Where is your evidence that the states do not reserve the right to leave the union because it’s certainly not in the Constitution and the belief that is violates the laws of logic and the full body of literature.

  150. @Carroll Price

    I will recommend you to buy a business and put in front window “Whites only will be served”
    Than wait what will happen.

    • Replies: @Carroll Price
  151. @OEMIKITLOB

    Obviously you live on the moon and you are commenting from there.

    • Replies: @OEMIKITLOB
  152. Rich says:
    @Corvinus

    You seem like a goodhearted guy, I just think you’re a bit misguided on the present day issue of illegal immigration and its impact on present day society compared to the effect legal immigration had in the past.

    Yes, the Irish in New York were hostile to Italian immigrants when they got here, and the Germans were against the Irish when they showed up, and the Scots opposed the Germans and the English were opposed to those low born Sots, the Dutch despised those smelly Englishmen when they took the city, too, and the Indians cursed the whole lot of them. Why does that past have any bearing on today’s issue of an army of illegals working off the books, collecting welfare benefits, and bringing in diseases we thought were eradicated in this country? When immigrants arrived in the past, there were no welfare benefits, you got off the boat and went to work or you went hungry. Today’s illegals, besides paying no tax on their salaries, receive section 8 housing, food stamps and free medical care as well as a free education for their children. And remember, the US was a wide open country in the past, mostly agricultural, those bygone days are long gone, however, and as we push into the even more automated future, having an underclass that doesn’t speak the language and is a drain on the welfare system, isn’t a great idea.

    Have you been to LA, or Phoenix or any number of Southwestern cities populated by the sons and grandsons of Mexican immigrants? Do you think that looks like a great future for the US? I don’t. I’d prefer we end up like the cities the European immigrants left, Rome, Milan, Berlin, Munich, Amsterdam, etc. than Mexico City or Lima, Peru.

    I’m not against an orderly, legal immigration system, though I believe the numbers should be much lower than they are, and I’m sure those Central and South Americans who go through a rigorous screening, obey the law and are forbidden from collecting welfare can eventually be absorbed as citizens. Trouble is, we’re a long way from that.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
    , @Corvinus
  153. @OEMIKITLOB

    >…to do business with anyone against their will are 100% Marxist in nature

    …to do business with anyone against their will are NOT 100% Marxist in nature<

  154. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Translation: “Logic has no place in my way of thinking and I am content with having kissed my mind a final farewell”.

    While I respect and will defend your freedom to choose to do this, I am not obligated to respect or defend your choice.

  155. @Rich

    My experience in Phoenix was that the actual Mexicans just wanted to make their money and return to Mexico as rich men. It was the Chicano who’d been in the US as long as I have-three generations-who formed the street gangs.

    The result of huge immigration post-1880 is the regionalism and resentment to the East Coast power that we see today.

    Italians and Jews and Eastern Europeans were used to corrupt systems where bribery and political manipulations were a way of life, so they thrived on the East Coast. Because they showed up to fuel industrialization they quickly assumed the reins from the agrarian small towns and South. That remains to this day.

    Irish and Italian tensions probably reached their zenith with the assassination of Kennedy. It is probable that mafia were responsible for this because Kennedy had gone after the Italian mob.

    In any event, Italians did bring an incredible level of corruption to the US. And when that failed, they simply made Hoffa disappear. They completely degraded the unions to this day.

    • Replies: @Rich
  156. @Corvinus

    No, it was not a civil war due to the fact that, like the United States when it formally and publically seceded from the British Empire by drawing up formal documents (including a declaration of independence stating as much and a constitution) the Confederate States did virtually the same thing. Meaning that The War For Southern Independence was no more a rebellion against the United States as was the US in rebellion against England during the US War of Independence, which no one in their right mind claims to have been the case. England chose to invade an independent foreign country just like the United States chose to invade an independent foreign country.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  157. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    What would happen would be proving once again that the United States is a no longer a free and independent country, but one obviously controlled by Marxist ideologues, a fact so obvious until it’s unnecessary that me, or anyone needs to continue proving it.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  158. @Jeff Stryker

    The South did not, and never have tried to impose their ways on anyone else. With the exact opposite being true of New England Yankees who insisted and continue to insist imposing their ideas of right and wrong on the entire world. All the South ever wanted and asked for was the right to be left alone. Why is that so difficult for do-gooders and busy-bodies to accept? We don’t really give a damn how Canadian, Mid-Westerners, New England Yankees or anyone else choose to live – it’s their business not ours.

    • Replies: @OEMIKITLOB
  159. @EliteCommInc.

    “Furthermore and more importantly, your notation about color misses the mark to the issue. It was not that they would not serve, but they would serve to a degree less for the same dollar they took.

    A black could buy but must leave to eat, could buy but had to do this or that not applied to similar buyers. By taking money from black patrons one was obliged to provide equal service.

    Those were the issues. An entire system based on color that established unique downgrades to service for the same fee — is arbitrary and should remain illegal when “similarly situated” (I really like that term)”

    The issue is not a moral one. I believe that by framing this scenario in a moral argument (wrongly) you are missing (ignoring?) it for the economic argument that it is.

    Let me first say that I agree with you; a practice such as you describe is reprehensible and unethical, but, should it be illegal, punishable at the arm and benefit (and cost to tax-payers) of the State? I would make the economic (and moral) argument that it should not, and need not, be.

    Why? So long as a prospective patron is made aware that the terms you describe are the terms of service and the prospective patron finds them acceptable for his/her own reasons, what need is there for claims of illegality in need of punishment? There is no fraud or misrepresentation.

    I believe that issues like these would quickly meet their demise in a truly free society since what we would see is that if a situation like you describe is not acceptable to enough prospective patrons the business would quickly close its doors and no one else would consider wasting the resources in a similar pursuit. This is an economic benefit to all of society since scarce resources will not be wasted but rather find other more wealth-creating opportunities where they are demanded by freely choosing actors.

    Another economic benefit is that scarce resources/wealth are no longer allocated to the astronomical budgets of government bureaucrats and their respective bureaucracies.

    In short, true freedom of individuals freely choosing amongst competitors creates wealth and is the most moral position one can take. It’s a win-win for a society.

    *Note: I believe your argument further fails since we clearly see today that many people do not receive the same level of service for the money rendered (i.e. the poor and low taxpayer, more often than not, receives an inordinate amount of services rendered for the money taken while those who pay a higher amount receive less in comparison). Should this be made illegal in your view to “right the wrong? If not, why not?

    • Replies: @epochehusserl
  160. I love these brain-dead recluses who have not looked out the door in 50 years, and who think that ANYWHERE on earth has a “real culture”–especially the US.

    Get your nerve up and go walk around. You will soon learn that everything, everywhere, desert, jungle, city, suburb, village, hamlet, is nothing but shorts, tattoos, T-shirts that say things on them, and cellphones. That is it. Nothing else. You can call that a culture if you like making words mean things they don’t mean. But you can’t call it “real.”

    • LOL: OEMIKITLOB
  161. @Jeff Stryker

    Get off you history dillettantism. We’re talking about the US NOW. And the US NOW has no ethnic groups. It just has people thumbing cellphones and wearing shorts in winter. McCoys, Ianellis, Yamaguchis, Schwartzes, Washingtons, pick a last name, don’t matter. “Culture” is shorts in winter and cellphones and maybe a little TV for the old ones. And that is it. Period.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  162. @Carroll Price

    I agree. The New England Yankee’s have always been, and still are, the source of much ill-will and the fomentation of discord and strife. They are nothing but do-gooders and busy-bodies. At everyone else’s expense, of course.

    http://www.knowsouthernhistory.net/Articles/History/Lincoln/yankee_problem.html

  163. @OEMIKITLOB

    …to do business with anyone against their will are 100% Marxist in nature

    .

    Correct. The sentence above should have read > …to do business with anyone against their will are 100% Marxist in nature<

  164. America is terminally ill/dying if no change is made! Watch AJ documentary: Lobby USA

    https://orientxxi.info/magazine/un-documentaire-interdit-sur-le-lobby-pro-israelien-aux-etats-unis,2715

    Un documentaire interdit sur le lobby pro-israélien aux États-Unis

    Médias > 2 novembre 2018

    “Le Monde diplomatique a publié au mois de septembre un article à propos d’une enquête réalisée par la chaîne Al-Jazira, propriété du Qatar, sur l’action du lobby pro-israélien aux États-Unis. Orient XXI en a publié les versions arabe et anglaise. Ce documentaire, réalisé notamment grâce à un journaliste infiltré, devait être diffusé au début de l’année 2018. Il ne l’a finalement pas été, suite à un accord entre le gouvernement du Qatar et une partie du lobby pro-israélien qui a, en échange, accepté d’adopter une attitude neutre dans le conflit entre l’Arabie saoudite et le petit émirat. Ayant eu accès au documentaire, Le Monde diplomatique et Orient XXI en avaient divulgué les éléments essentiels.

    Orient XXI a décidé, avec Electronic Intifada aux États-Unis et Al-Akhbar au Liban, de rendre public ce documentaire. Il y va du droit à l’information. Car cette enquête, après celle réalisée par la même chaîne sur le lobby au Royaume-Uni, pose des questions de fond : dans une démocratie, a-t-on le droit d’espionner les citoyens sur la base de leurs convictions ? Est-il normal que le gouvernement israélien participe et orchestre ces campagnes sur le sol de pays dits « alliés » ?

    Ce vendredi 2 novembre, les deux premiers épisodes du documentaire (sur les quatre) sont accessibles avec des sous-titres français. Les prochains épisodes suivront dans les semaines à venir.”

  165. @Carroll Price

    Carol and OEMIC.
    Because you nice I will present to you short explanation.
    In US every activity is subject to city ordinance and city bylaws.
    This may vary from city to city but there is more similarity than difference.
    Even the front yard and appearance of front of your house is subject to it.
    Naturally the public service enterprises like bakery are covered in city bylaws in every detail.

    Lets say you buy a bakery. You have to notify the city hall. In order to operate bakery city will send out inspector to check if bakery is in compliance with city bylaws. If it does than city will issue a certificate. City will call you to pick it up. Than you will get copy of all bylaws concerning the operation and maintenance of bakery. Also there you will find out laws that guide behaving towards customer and pointed out will be there what behavior may be considered as discrimination. There you will find also warning that breaking of bylaws of the city will result in suspension of certificate or fine or both,
    Putting a sign We serve whites only would result not only in suspension of certificate and fine, but probably lawsuit by some organization for defamation and discrimination.
    …………………………………………………………………..
    So only way out for you would be to hang yourself. (just kidding)

    • Replies: @Carroll Price
  166. Diversity + Proximity = War

  167. Anon[435] • Disclaimer says:
    @another fred

    Its more like a monstrous Siamese twins widely inflicted with full bloom acute cancer & HIV, so a surgery is required to separate into various new republics.

    Some good ones with survive longer, the rest beyond savage will left to rot quickly. But then, cancer will spread over from the rotten one, because no one want to stay in the bankcrupted states infested with crime & oligarchs control.

    The rich Jewish oligarchs will also airborne themselves into the good states, starting a new vicious cycle of infection, but less threat to the world since the monster is now cut down in size.

  168. Rich says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    I don’t know Jeff, I think you’ve misunderstood the experience of Southern and Eastern European immigration in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Most of the Italian and Jewish immigrants who came to the US at that time were barely educated, dirt poor farmers and craftsmen. Those who arrived in NYC, at least, came to a city that was already corrupt. And guess what? It wasn’t even the Irish who made it that way. Ever heard of Boss Tweed? He was Sotch-Irish and a Mason to boot. And I’m sure his crew stole their power from corrupt Anglo-Saxons before they took power. The great general Ulysses S Grant was surrounded by corrupt Anglo-Saxons when he was president, too. Can’t blame those levels of corruption on Italians and Jews. Italian and Jewish immigrants merely adapted to the already corrupt areas they lived in, and maybe were a little better at it because of their old world experience, or maybe the old guard just got tired of the business.

    Unions were accused of gangsterism and corruption long before the Italians and Jews became prominent in them, you might have heard of the Molly Maguires or the Haymarket Massacre which took place before the Italians or Jews had any significant role in American unionism. And if I’m not mistaken Joe Hill was hanged. (He was a Swede). By the way, Jimmy Hoffa was a Dutchman.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  169. Corvinus says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    “What do you now of Milwaukee? Or its Polish community separated from the ghetto by a bridge? Nothing.”

    Actually. I know decidedly more about Milwaukee than you. So, what bridge are we talking about? What city streets consisted on the traditional Polish communities and the black communities in this city? No using the Internet here. What do you know off the top of your head?

    “Right off the top it is apparent you are from the South or Southwest.”

    Fake News.

    “The Slavic and Central European heritage of the Upper Midwestern North Central Great Lakes states is completely foreign to you.”

    More Fake News.

    “Red Indian primitives from the jungles of Central America and Russians who are Orthodox as oppose to British Protestant are not a valid comparison. The Central American immigrants are Red Indians headhunters who swing machetes in the suburbs of Long Island.”

    Talk about other than valid comparisons. Central Americans are not “Red Indians”. You are operating under a false premise, under which you create your “argument”.

    Again, it makes no difference about the “cunning and savvy” of Italians, or their “under-the-table bribery”, or their importance in New York City. The fact remains that, according to Nativists, Italians were inferior and degenerative who should NOT have been allowed to enter our shores.

    They must go back!

    What is my point? Central Americans are Red Indians. And Red Indians have seemingly never had much success getting along with the people that replaced them on this continent. This is the truth. It cannot be refuted.”

    That is not “truth”, it is your opinion. Are you really that obtuse and dense in real life?

  170. Corvinus says:
    @Rich

    ‘I just think you’re a bit misguided on the present day issue of illegal immigration and its impact on present day society compared to the effect legal immigration had in the past.”

    Again, it made no difference to nativists whether or not the immigrant was legal or illegal. What mattered most was their backgrounds. The peoples of Eastern and Southern Europe were deemed on the ethnic totem pole to be substandard and thus undesirable. They could NOT fit in, despite their grandest efforts. So the same arguments made today by those who oppose immigrants from any area other than Europe are similar to those arguments made by nativists in the past.

    Regarding illegal immigration, indeed there is an impact. Some argue it has been positive, while others argue it has been negative. I am of the mindset that we have laws on the books to address this issue, and we should be adhering to them. Any new legislation to deal with this problem would be welcome by myself. The problem is that both the left and the right use this issue for their own designs, and as a result each side is unwilling to take the appropriate steps.

    “I’d prefer we end up like the cities the European immigrants left, Rome, Milan, Berlin, Munich, Amsterdam, etc. than Mexico City or Lima, Peru.”

    The SAME attitude was displayed by nativists! They said that the WASP areas would be overrun by the filthy, non-WASP hordes.

    “I’m not against an orderly, legal immigration system, though I believe the numbers should be much lower than they are, and I’m sure those Central and South Americans who go through a rigorous screening, obey the law and are forbidden from collecting welfare can eventually be absorbed as citizens. Trouble is, we’re a long way from that.”

    Completely agree!

    • Replies: @Rich
  171. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    My guess is that you were born and raised under the influence of Marxist rules governing economic and social relations among businesses and individuals, and learned to admire and respect them.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  172. @Corvinus

    “Right off the top it is apparent you are from the South or Southwest.”

    I guess you missed Jeff’s earlier post, but according to him he was raised a poor homeless kid who somehow made it good after acquiring a high-dollar college education, moving on to become a world traveler, social critic, economic guru, and all-around authority on – well just about any subject imaginable.

  173. anon[435] • Disclaimer says:
    @Them Guys

    Eskimos are about the Only group globally who never yet Booted Out Jews. That’s amazing no?

    That’s bcos jews haven’t got interested to chill out there. When they did, Eskimos will be driven enough to lost their ice kool.

    Btw, China hasn’t booted jews out too, as jews are just too few there.

    Even some jews i know can’t stand their own behavior, while some are so critical of jews even tried to deny they are jews.

    The only last place that won’t purge jews is Israel. When they did one day, it will be interesting.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Carroll Price
  174. Corvinus says:
    @OEMIKITLOB

    “This is a false statist narrative that has been thoroughly refuted and destroyed by Tom Woods, Tom Dilorenzo, Brian McClanahan and many others and no person can defend it with any intellectual integrity having read the relevant literature.”

    OK, since you gave a laundry list here, why not specifically highlight each of their particular arguments to the subject at hand, and then we can begin to dissect those positions. Even choose one person and offer a glimpse into their position. In that manner, I will know exactly what you are trying to say, rather than make assumptions.

    “Every informed person…”

    That is a rhetorical ploy on your part. Just stop.

    “that Lincoln viewed blacks/slaves as inferior to whites and that he would have sent them back from whence they came if it was up to him.”

    You do realize that Lincoln’s views evolved, right?

    https://www.npr.org/2010/10/11/130489804/lincolns-evolving-thoughts-on-slavery-and-freedom

    “Lincoln was a tyrant who used the pretext of freeing slaves to evoke an emotional response and support from the population when what he really had in mind was to consolidate and centralize the power of the Federal government to prevent the southern states from exercising their Constitutional right to secede.”

    Lincoln, viewed as tyrannical by the South and his political opponents, used the arguments of slavery as immoral to his advantage–an issue that was bitterly contested in the 1850′s–as the vehicle to gradually convince northerners and southerners (you do realize that there unionists here) that our Union was sacred, and that secession was illegal.

    “Lincoln didn’t care about slaves.”

    He cared about them enough to issue the Emancipation Proclamation and have them eventually become soldiers for the Union Army.

    “He and his New England Yankee cronies didn’t want to lose the tax revenue of the southern states and that is what the War of Northern aggression was really about.”

    Certainly you offer one explanation about the Civil War.

    • Replies: @Carroll Price
    , @OEMIKITLOB
  175. Rich says:
    @Corvinus

    I agree the nativists of the late 19th and early 20th century were against most Southern and Eastern European immigration, but maybe, even though I’ve got an Italian grandfather, maybe they had a point. Massive Eastern and Southern European immigration did significantly change the nature of the US. That strong, nativist streak also helped make the new immigrants turn into Americans. My father, for instance, never wanted to learn Italian from his father, and my grandfather never tried to push it on him. They were Americans and had given up the old country. If the US had stayed a mostly Northern European, Protestant nation, I think it would resemble Sweden much more than it does.

    Of course, the old time Americans also had a growing black population and if not for the massive immigration of the 19th and 20th century, blacks might have grown close to 50% of the population, with declining size of White families and the usually large number of black children. Who knows what would have happened then?

    But, in the end, that was a completely different time and we are no longer the wide open, mostly agrarian nation we were then. Massive immigration of low skilled labor at a time when low skilled labor isn’t needed as much as it once was, cannot end well. Just because the nativists argued against immigration in 1910, doesn’t mean the argument against immigration today is wrong.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  176. Corvinus says:
    @Carroll Price

    “No, it was not a civil war due to the fact that, like the United States when it formally and publically seceded from the British Empire by drawing up formal documents (including a declaration of independence stating as much and a constitution) the Confederate States did virtually the same thing.”

    Except that its legality and legitimacy was in question in both instances. Debates concerning secession are unlikely to cease. There are accusations that historians, whether it be those who support or oppose secession, cherry-pick evidence that supports preconceived notions while ignoring large quantities of contradictory material. Regardless, the matter has been settled for quite some time. Feel free to individually secede at any point in time from our nation.

  177. Corvinus says:
    @OEMIKITLOB

    “This is true, but it does not logically follow that freeing slaves was the true purpose of Lincoln and his cronies/ideological allies for the War of Northern aggression; it is a non-sequitur.”

    There is no non-sequitur here. The true purpose of Lincoln and his allies during the Civil War was to save the Union, with slavery being a powerful force along the way. It became an influential political and moral tool.

  178. @Carroll Price

    Good. Keep on frolicking. No harm done. I guess frolicking also includes playing stupid.
    It intensifies the fun.

  179. anon[728] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    Btw, China hasn’t booted jews out too, as jews are just too few there.

    look back into history and you might notice some “Chinese” merchants there – maybe listen to Charles Giuliani

  180. cassandra says:
    @ThreeCranes

    Thank you for this. I almost duplicated your response.

    All I can add is, “Viciously hateful? Who says?”

  181. @OEMIKITLOB

    Black patrons are much more likely to steal from an establishment and major organizations take this into consideration when choosing where to establish a service, so one major effect of civil rights legislation is to make white americans poorer.

  182. Patricus says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Can’t argue with your statement that white culture came from Europe. A better term would be “European culture”. Some highly advanced Europeans were olive skinned and some had African or Semitic bloodlines.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  183. Ahoy says:

    My take on the political system here is that both parties are in essence one. They are backed by the same money source and serve the need of divide and rule. He runs the show.

    Baseball was not invented by chance neither the sport mania that has overtaken Americans fell from the sky.

    There are finely tuned instruments to keep the deception alive that America is a free and independent country.

  184. @anon

    When Jews become Eskimos, expect the price of ice to increase to heather-to unknown levels.

  185. @Corvinus

    He cared about them enough to issue the Emancipation Proclamation and have them eventually become soldiers for the Union Army.

    The Emancipation Proclamation did not apply to slaves residing in states that were still members of the United States but only to former US states that had seceded from the United States to become members of a foreign state known as the Confederate States of America. With net results being that the Emancipation Proclamation freed not a single slave.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  186. @obwandiyag

    That must explain events in Pittsburgh, the ethnic breakdown of street gangs and the harmony of inner-cities.

  187. @Rich

    Italians UNDERSTOOD corruption. Probably better than any other group that ever came to the United States.

    There was corruption before and after, but Italians had it down to a fine art.

    They arrived at the height of industrialization and unionization. Today it is harder for the mob to shake down anything.

    Hoffa was done in by the Italians. We know that. That demonstrates the extent of their power within the unions. It is also possible that the Italians assassinated the POTUS. Not the only theory, but one of the two or three mostly likely ones.

    Besides the mafia, the Irish and Jews and Italians made NYC the most important city in the United States. To this day, it is synonymous with Washington DC. The East Coast is associated with power and money.

  188. @Corvinus

    Groppi Bridge, of course.

    Central Americans are not Red Indians? Of course they are. The few Criollo Spanish land-owning families are not going to come to the United States in a caravan. They have a nice gig on their Hacienda. Americans are always startled at how “white” Mexico City is. This is because the whites don’t want to roam around US streets in gangs. They own the economies down there.

    According to Nativists…Anglo-Saxons who might have expressed that opinion are now themselves the marginalized ones. Italians have long risen into positions of power and importance in New York City. Hell, there is barely an Anglo-Saxon LEFT in NYC or North Jersey. They’re gone.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @Corvinus
  189. @Patricus

    Italians and Jews and now Arab-Americans seem to be doing better in the United States financially and industrially than the Southerners who are completely British. If you were to look at the median income of Italians in NYC it is higher than the most Anglo-Saxon places in the United States-states in the Deep South.

    Being purely Nordic in Minneapolis has not vaunted them over the Jews or Italians in NYC.

    • Replies: @LostHopeless
    , @Patricus
  190. @Jeff Stryker

    There is an Asian (mostly Indian[dot] and some Chinese as well) over-class in the US too. Most of them (not all of course) are highly tribalist-globalist in their world view (tribalist on the inside globalist on the outside) much like the ‘rootless cosmopolitans’. The smart ones among them try to and mostly do succeed in getting at the top of every organization and when they do, they make space for their less smart but obedient brethren (often at the cost of whites and others) thereby creating a fiefdom if you will.

    Since you’ve been punting around SEA for the last 3 decades (your words not mine), you’ve been away from the massive changes that have happened around the power structure here. Jews are still at the very top followed by an even shrinking class of Irish Catholics but after them are the Indians at the gates of power just bidding their time. And they are quite seasoned when it comes to power plays as they’ve tackled way more corrupt and poisonous systems back home.

    So Australia could very well become a Chinese ‘colony’ but the US is more likely to end up becoming an Hindjew fiefdom ruling over a motley bunch of disenfranchised whites, cholos, blacks IF this sick union survives in it’s present trajectory for a couple decades. No amount of education or discipline will ensure your place at the round table (at most you can become a ‘clerk’ for them) since it’s a question of tribe loyalties and like the Jews, the Indians are fierce about it. Perhaps obedient whites can be used as the servant class and to enforce order (FEMA camps and such).

  191. @Rich

    I don’t know that Minnesota is a better city than NYC. The Italians bring a certain vitality and panache. They advanced the situation for the working man.

  192. @Jeff Stryker

    NYC has been the cesspool of America (dare I’d add the humanity; competing with other such cesspools like Rio, Calcutta, London etc) from a loooooong time. Which is understood. Before the Somali incursion (again insisted by the very people who were the foremost to have American troops in Somalia), Minneapolis was a very nice place to live in (if you could endure the brutal 6 month winter of course) except a few ‘precincts’ populated by the brothas.

    I’d say it still is way better than NYC but compared to say 2 decades before, it is going downhill fast as well. Rural MN is still very nice I’d say.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  193. @LostHopeless

    I can see that happening in left-brained fields like IT but Irish-Catholics and Jews possess a verbal dexterity/IQ that probably will keep them ensconced in Hollywood, electronic media, law and politics.

    Once Brahmin get into management and the glass ceiling becomes a caste-system, it is goodbye Democracy or meritocracy. I’ve worked with Indians in Dubai and you would not believe how corrupt and totally rotted things become when Brahmin run things. Up until now, the US has mostly gotten high-caste merchants and IT dorks but if the Indians changed immigration laws we would end up importing a fourth underclass of low-caste Indians which would finally tank the welfare system and police resources.

    Events in Singapore reflect the degree to which Chinese and Indians dislike one another. Heck, you can read the flame wars on any blog between them and know right away that they are Singaporean.

    None of this would effect the blacks or Latinos because the new over-class would simply continue militarizing the police force to contain them in the urban hellscape.

    But the white middle class would suffer.

  194. Patricus says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Hello Jeff Styker:

    Those Southerners are not necessarily the idiots you seem to believe. George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison and countless others are among the greatest individuals ever to walk in North America. Can’t think of any Nordic or Italian heroes although there must have been a few. Some Germans were impressive. As for Arabs, Jews and Indians, give it up.

    The Southerners are mostly Scotch Irish and these are the people that fought in every American war. Without them there would have been no American wars. If another war occurs you better pray those hillbillies show up. “Hamlets produce heroes. Cities produce eunuchs.” Socrates

    Northern states have been fading for a long time. The future is in the South culturally and economically.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  195. @LostHopeless

    The Indians are way more into tribal loyalty than Jews.

    To an extent, Jews have intermarried with Irish-Catholics (Half of Hollywood are Jewish-Irish Catholic mixtures like Sean Penn or Robert Downey) and while there have been some flare-ups (Gibson, for example) the Irish-Catholics seem to corner the market catering to the GOP like Chuck Norris or Reagan while the Jews veered toward the left.

    But Chinese and Indians jostling for the controls won’t get along.

    And it won’t affect Hispanics or Blacks much who never sat at the table to begin with and simply have to make do with what the system is willing to offer. Indians and Chinese probably bulk-up the police state into a veritable dictatorship and Tianamen Square episodes would occur if BLM blocked traffic.

    It is the middle-class whites who would be affected most.

  196. @LostHopeless

    Are Somali THAT much of a threat? Are strapping Finns in St. Paul that intimidated by them? How many Somali are there?

    • Replies: @LostHopeless
  197. @Patricus

    “Without them there would be no wars”

    If Arabs or North Koreans tried to invade New York City or Minnesota I suspect Jews, Italians and Swedish-Americans would hold their own.

    War is economic these days. See China. Or Mexico, whose emigres undercut US workers and bring gangs like MS-13.

    Bombing the shit out of Afghan peasants 5 years after Bin Laden was wiped out has done nothing to improve the economy of the United States with its decaying infrastructure and crime rate.

    “Cities produce eunuchs”

    Urban blacks and Italians are pretty tough.

  198. @Jeff Stryker

    The Somalis are not THAT PHYSICALLY intimidating to be honest. Like other east africans close to the horn of africa, they are slender and lanky. And if you (occasionally ) fancy some dark meat, Somalian and other east African women are way more palatable than full on negroids like michelle [I'd want to pork that somali dem candidate from minneapolis, ilhan omar, to shreds in a fit of rage and lust]. Too bad I’m father to a college grad now and I don’t want to set a bad example ;).

    The minnesotans have to get out of their ‘minnesota nice’ demeanor and confront this problem head on which means getting red pilled on a variety of things from ZOG to Immigration; this I don’t see happening soon (their own homeland back in scandinavia is in a similar problem).

    That being said, for the (incoming) low IQ somali population combined with a toxic injection of US black ‘brotha’ thug culture has had a devastating influence on their lads. It’s rather funny to see their lanky lads in hoodies, cigarette in hand, ‘hangin low’ round the curbs, pretending to be ‘cool’ when they could have emulated the ethiopians. Not all of them do that, but quite a few do. It’s like how some cholos become drug dealers *AFTER* landing in el norte.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  199. Ahoy says:

    The antithesis, They run the show.

    The resistence

  200. @LostHopeless

    The Minnesotans I once knew were Finns-tough, scrappy people.

    • Replies: @TRASH(NOT)
  201. @Jeff Stryker

    As is par for your course, you are being persistently disingenuous (again).

    If you really are (or were) from the backwoods of Detroit, you should know better than anyone else that MOST of the Scandinavians who settled in the upper midwest were from Norway and Sweden. Very few finns landed here. So please cut the crap and stop defending those ‘rootless cosmopolitans’ [and the Indians as is usually the case for you].

    Secondly, you had this to say

    Once Brahmin get into management and the glass ceiling becomes a caste-system, it is goodbye Democracy or meritocracy. I’ve worked with Indians in Dubai and you would not believe how corrupt and totally rotted things become when Brahmin run things. Up until now, the US has mostly gotten high-caste merchants and IT dorks but if the Indians changed immigration laws we would end up importing a fourth underclass of low-caste Indians which would finally tank the welfare system and police resources.

    Events in Singapore reflect the degree to which Chinese and Indians dislike one another. Heck, you can read the flame wars on any blog between them and know right away that they are Singaporean.

    Well, I’ve got news for you. The hindoo has already created a caste system in most large US tech companies. I wonder what caste they belong to and they perhaps have some internal caste rivalries playing out there as well. However for an outsider, in case your name is not ‘rajagopalli sidareddy’ or some such, you will always be at the receiving end. Sometimes the cover gets blown off (Oracle, Infosys, Cisco etc come to mind) but now that they’ve got so much spare money, they just pour in more money to treasonous scum like Yoder. These CONgressmen then provide them legal cover to continue what they were doing [i.e. root out the native worker and bring in more of their folks].

    Yoder (and his ilk) are proposing a bill to scrap the per country cap on GCs. This will open the floodgates for the Indians (as they’ve got the deepest most backlogged queue). The native (white) tech worker can then kiss his job good bye. The hindoo will avenge centuries of humiliation by pushing whitey at the bottom of the proverbial barrel in his own nation. The hindoo will cackle (hillary comes to mind) as he sees whitey forage for the scraps among the multitudes of blacks and other recently arrived “diversity”.

    As for Singapore, it has already started to reap the benefits of increasing “diversity”. A city famous for it’s strict enforcement policies saw it’s first ethnic strife courtesy of talented Indians who tried to burn down their own district [little India]. As long Singapore had Chinese > malays > Indians [in terms of population], things worked out well. The malays are some of the softest muslims around and they never rebelled or did funny things and were content with the status quo.

    However off late, Singapore is being nudged by the usual suspects to open up for more “skilled immigration” from India [to upset the demographic balance there of course]. Something similar seems to be happening in Malaysia I guess. Such are the fruits of being an “ally” of Uncle Sam (or is it uncle schlomo?).

    Coming back to the US, the Chinese won’t be able to compete with the Indians as far as our rotten “democracy” goes. The Indians are way more loquacious and sly and can easily navigate the various different power centres. The Chinese are way too used to an authoritarian top down approach and can at best manage to become technocrats in this future hinjew dystopia that is unfolding before our eyes

    • Replies: @TRASH(NOT)
  202. @TRASH(NOT)

    And yes let me categorically state that I DO NOT like to group all Jews into the same basket as is apparently the case with quite a few folks here on UR. Yes a pretty large chunk but not ALL. Ditto for the hindoos, the muslims or whoever. Let that be perfectly and clearly said.

    If you guys club ALL (that is every single one) of any group into a monolith, you often fail to see the bigger picture and THIS is the kind of thing that CAN (not that it always will) lead to a nut going off and doing something stupid. However, said groups MUST also categorically and unequivocally address some of those points that have been coming at them for years (if not decades).

    As Israel shamir says in one of the other articles, not having anyone at MSM talk about these ‘alternate’ views (and there are many who espouse them) can only lead to pent up anger which can show up at the least expected place (and time).

  203. @Corvinus

    Ah, well, I see that the one source you provided is Prof. Eric Foner so, I’m certain this accounts for much of your view.

    Prof. Foner is certainly a highly respected historian, but he is also a man of the Left, and his views on Reconstruction were considered revisionist at the time he first promulgated them and aren’t universally accepted even among liberal historians today. This is the same man who, in 1991, called for the holding together of the former Soviet Union, by force!

    At any rate, I would strongly encourage you to consider any of the works (written or audio) of Jeffrey Rogers Hummel, Charles Adams, Thomas E. Woods, Tom Dilorenzo and Brian McClanahan. All of them will give details that are missing from many other works (especially from “court historians” such as the known plagiarist and liar Doris Kearns Goodwin) and will give you a more full-orbed perspective and access to documents/quotations/events oftentimes not mentioned or glossed-over since it becomes evident the mention of them would undermine the respective authors desired narrative.

    • Replies: @OEMIKITLOB
    , @Corvinus
  204. anon[284] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    but for some reason you felt the need to single out whites for embezzlement, lol

    you’re not an anti-white bigot with a hooked nose are you?

  205. anon[284] • Disclaimer says:
    @renfro

    A remarkable achievement. Anyone who wishes to understand the deeper reasons for America’s utter failure to bring peace to the region should begin by watching this powerful film.”
    Avi Shlaim, Professor Emeritus, Oxford University

    like it’s America’s responsibility to bring peace to your region, avi

  206. anon[284] • Disclaimer says:
    @renfro

    Today, HonestReporting Canada (HRC), a non-profit media watchdog organization

    when i read that i said to myself “totally not a jew run organization” but of course the next line revealed it

    …that ensures fair and accurate Canadian media coverage of Israel, filed an official complaint with the Canadian Broadcast Standards Council (CBSC), regarding a caller’s anti-Semitic tirade that was aired on the evening of July 30 on the Ben Guyatt Show on AM 900 CHML, a Corus radio station in Hamilton.

  207. Ahoy says:

    Look up this book. John Beaty “The Iron Curtain over America”, 1951, Amazon.com

  208. @OEMIKITLOB

    As an example of this glossing over, pay particular attention to the subject of “Yankee Civil Religion” in the last section of this article:

    https://fee.org/articles/the-question-of-slavery/

    I find it very curious and convenient that the addressing of this subject is nowhere to be found when discussing the so-called Civil War, don’t you? Why do you believe the subject of the Yankee Civil Religion of the New England northerners is left out and forgotten in the typical narrative? Is it because it is irrelevant or is it possible no one dares shine a light on it because of the truth it may reveal?

  209. Corvinus says:
    @Carroll Price

    “The Emancipation Proclamation did not apply to slaves residing in states that were still members of the United States but only to former US states that had seceded from the United States to become members of a foreign state known as the Confederate States of America. With net results being that the Emancipation Proclamation freed not a single slave.”

    And yet, the Emancipation Proclamation sent shockwaves throughout the Confederacy. Lincoln weaponized slavery to slice and dice the “southern gentlemen”.

  210. Corvinus says:
    @OEMIKITLOB

    “Ah, well, I see that the one source you provided is Prof. Eric Foner so, I’m certain this accounts for much of your view.”

    One of many views.

    “Prof. Foner is certainly a highly respected historian, but he is also a man of the Left, and his views on Reconstruction were considered revisionist at the time he first promulgated them and aren’t universally accepted even among liberal historians today. This is the same man who, in 1991, called for the holding together of the former Soviet Union, by force!”

    Disqualify, disqualify, disqualify.

    “At any rate, I would strongly encourage you to consider any of the works (written or audio) of Jeffrey Rogers Hummel, Charles Adams, Thomas E. Woods, Tom Dilorenzo and Brian McClanahan.”

    Again, you give a laundry list here. So why not specifically highlight each of their particular arguments to the subject at hand, in your own words, and then we can begin to dissect those positions. Even choose one person and offer a glimpse into their position. In that manner, I will know exactly what you are trying to say, rather than make assumptions.

  211. “Disqualify, disqualify, disqualify.”

    Not at all. I clearly acknowledged his credentials. He just has a certain predilection that shows in his work, that is all.

    “So why not specifically highlight each of their particular arguments to the subject at hand, in your own words, and then we can begin to dissect those positions”

    Time and respect, that is why. No assumptions needed. Each of them, and many more (Forrest McDonald for instance), offer what I believe to be a more full-orbed perspective of the topics under discussion in the first few posts of mine, yours and Carroll’s than what Prof. Foner’s works offer.

    I simply offer these authors as a reference for you to peruse at your own pace if you are so inclined since I am not naive and gullible enough to believe I can persuade you here.

    They were, and are, of immense help to me and I hope the same for you.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  212. Oh! And M.E. Bradford’s “A Better Guide Than Reason”. I’m sure you will appreciate the breadth and scope of his analysis here, Corvinus.

  213. RM says:

    I myself have no interest in seeing the artificial political construct called the United States continue. I do not see the dissolution of the US as anything to weep and wail about. This construct worked for Americans for a long time. It no longer works for us. Being American does not depend upon practicing a particular form of governance. We are still American if the US is replaced by 5 new countries with 5 different forms of government. I myself am tired of being tied to people I have nothing in common with.

    • Agree: OEMIKITLOB
  214. Corvinus says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    “Groppi Bridge, of course.”

    On one end were African-Americans. On the other end were German and other Europeans. Further south were the Polish.

    “Central Americans are not Red Indians? Of course they are.”

    Some have indigenous roots. But others are a mix of Indian-European. You know, good old fashioned miscegenation.

    “According to Nativists…Anglo-Saxons who might have expressed that opinion are now themselves the marginalized ones. ”

    Not “might have expressed that opinion”, they DID express that opinion. In full throat, I may add. And IF they are “marginalized”, then it goes to show how correct they were in their position.

    “Italians have long risen into positions of power and importance in New York City. Hell, there is barely an Anglo-Saxon LEFT in NYC or North Jersey. They’re gone.”

    EXACTLY the point. The mischievous, dim-witted, Catholic loving Italians overran the hearty, intelligent, innovative Anglo-Saxons.

    Again, you must go back!

  215. Corvinus says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    “Groppi Bridge, of course.”

    On one end were African-Americans. On the other end were German and other Europeans. Further south were the Polish.

    “Central Americans are not Red Indians? Of course they are.”

    Some have indigenous roots. But others are a mix of Indian-European. You know, good old fashioned miscegenation.

    “According to Nativists…Anglo-Saxons who might have expressed that opinion are now themselves the marginalized ones. ”

    Not “might have expressed that opinion”, they DID express that opinion. In full throat, I may add. And IF they are “marginalized”, then it goes to show how correct they were in their position.

    “Italians have long risen into positions of power and importance in New York City. Hell, there is barely an Anglo-Saxon LEFT in NYC or North Jersey. They’re gone.”

    EXACTLY the point. The mischievous, dim-witted, Catholic loving Italians overran the hearty, intelligent, innovative Anglo-Saxons.

    Again, you must go back!

  216. @Corvinus

    The only German to live in Milwaukee’s black area was that fine young cannibal, Dahmer.

    Most of the Central Americans who come to the United States are indigenous. It is rare to see a Mexican who looks live Vincente Fox in the U.S. Why? Because whites have a good gig down there.

    Miscegenation was inevitable because the Spanish who came were mostly males.

    The Italians and Jews and Irish-Catholics did not so much overrun the Anglo-Saxons as congregate in Northeast cities that are now the centers of power and wealth via beltway. This put them in proximity of politics and Wall Street.

    How dim-witted could the Italians be? We don’t associate them with the social pathology of rural poverty

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  217. cecil1 says:

    What Diversity™ really means: And how to tell

  218. @Corvinus

    When you will go to make a backup copy of house keys and such, take a look at machine that will do the job. It was designed by Italian.
    And also Ferrari cars are nos so bad deals also.

    • Replies: @Them Guys
    , @Corvinus
  219. Them Guys says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Well my 2009 Z-06 Corvette, can do everything a Ferrari does. Top speed, zero to 60mph and quarter mile MPH etc…Cornering, Handle on actual Race tracks, etc same as Ferrari. Came straight from GM factory in Bowling Green KY, Track Ready…LeMans and Neurenburing (sp?) type tracks…Plus makes a fine daily driver also…Biggest main difference is…Cost. My Z-06 Vette is about $100,000 New Vs Ferrari at 3 to even 5 times that price!….Plus, I have a network of several thousand GM dealerships incase I need a fix job or reg maintenance done….Ferrari has very Few usa dealerships, and on some Ferrari models, just a full blown new brake job, all 4 wheels, new pads, rotors and calipers etc….Is about $34,000 per!!!!….That applies to a few very limited million dollar models. But even lesser costly Ferrari’s probably cost 5 times more than my Vettes brakes do. Some Ferrari’s need entire engine pulled Out just for a fan belt switch! their 50,000 Miles dealer mandated maint job is about $18,000!….Italians maybe lack in forethought mechanical engineering, eh?….Or are just Greedy bastards!

    So….Corvettes are a far better deal. Todays Used vette market is filled with very low mile used cars. And represent maybe the best choice for biggest bang per each buck spent. A when new 2008-9 Reg normal, non z-06 vette was about $70-80 Grand new, can now be gotten with 3,500 to 5,000 total org miles for aprox. $27 to $30,000 and are very fun rides. A Z-06 also is about half new prices when bought used and very low miles. My 2009 had only 6,400 total orig miles when I got it in 2015.

  220. @ThreeCranes

    Not an alternative Republic, because we will still have a hostile neighbor that we will have to fight anyway. Best to lay into them now, win back the Republic, and begin immediately re-orienting the elementary schools toward the truth, toward conservatism and the things that actually made America a great nation 100 years ago. If we do not destroy the “Democrats”, they will eventually institute genocide in the United States, and we all will be on the list. One more generation and it will begin. Not more than 20 years.

  221. Corvinus says:
    @OEMIKITLOB

    ‘He just has a certain predilection that shows in his work, that is all.”

    Similar to the experts you listed. So it’s a matter of perspective and bias, right? Moreover, what is this specific “predilection”?

    “Time and respect, that is why. No assumptions needed. Each of them, and many more (Forrest McDonald for instance), offer what I believe to be a more full-orbed perspective of the topics under discussion in the first few posts of mine, yours and Carroll’s than what Prof. Foner’s works offer.”

    It doesn’t work that way. You ASSUME that they have a this “full-orbed perspective”. How and why are their arguments more persuasive than Foner?

    “I simply offer these authors as a reference for you to peruse at your own pace if you are so inclined since I am not naive and gullible enough to believe I can persuade you here.”

    Indeed, I have perused the works of these individuals, past and present. And it’s about offering evidence to back up your claim. In that vein, I can respond in kind.

    • Replies: @OEMIKITLOB
  222. @Corvinus

    Are you Prof. Foner?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  223. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Interesting observation I once read (Thomas Sowell, I think):

    Race separation in the South sustained the black middle class and promoted family formation.

    Whites used white-owned businesses, and blacks used black-owned businesses. Therefore, blacks were guaranteed a customer base and could start and grow their own businesses. They then had a reliable income stream, vested interest in their community, and natural tendency towards traditional family formation. When desegregation forced white businesses to serve black customers, the black businesses could not compete. Without an economic engine, the black community fell apart.

    Personally, I see this same thing playing out now in all American communities. The classic example is the musician, where once you needed live musicians to have music, and therefore you had musicians everywhere. Now one musician can literally ‘play’ for everyone on planet Earth at any time, for as long as we choose to listen.

    Just like desegregation destroyed the black middle class, globalization is now killing the generic middle class for exactly the same reasons.

  224. Corvinus says:
    @OEMIKITLOB

    “Are you Prof. Foner?”

    No. I’m just holding your feet to the fire. Again, you ASSUME that the authors you listed have a this “full-orbed perspective”. How and why are their arguments more persuasive than Foner? Elaborate, please.

    • Replies: @OEMIKITLOB
  225. Corvinus says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    “When you will go to make a backup copy of house keys and such, take a look at machine that will do the job. It was designed by Italian. And also Ferrari cars are nos so bad deals also.”

    And why would the nativists care about that Italian innovation? They are decidedly more concerned about their degenerative nature and how they changed the Anglo-Saxon character of our nation.

    Once again, they have to go back.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  226. @Corvinus

    I am always shocked by the venomous hatred many people have towards Southerners of the Old South. These people seem quite satisfied with the North burning everything down, destroying crops, killing farm animals, stealing supplies and food reserves, raping women, etc. Apparently, they deserved this because they had slaves.

    White people didn’t invent slavery, black slaves in America were captured and sold by other African blacks, free blacks owned and ran plantations, etc. Slavery is an ancient institution and it makes no sense for a modern person to look back and condemn those who literally understood the world in a completely different way. It makes no sense to accept human sacrifice with only mild interest and completely ignore nonwhite slaveholders (even contemporary, e.g., Libya) but revile white slaveholders as somehow especially evil.

    “Mass grave discovered showing hundreds of children murdered in ritual religious sacrifices by having their hearts cut out while still alive,”
    Hmm, well isn’t that interesting.

    The Civil War was part of very complicated political and economic interests, but the slavery question was not so much about the morals of slavery, but rather about what to do with freed slaves. The Southerners recognized that slavery was holding them back because it stigmatized work. Slaves worked, but they didn’t work hard or smart (and why should they?). Compare the Soviet Union to free America. Slavery was expensive because owners had to care for slaves even when they were unable to work. It was cheaper and much more productive to pay free workers.

    You don’t have to approve of slavery to understand the predicament of the Old South. There were something like 10 slaves to 1 white. Freeing the slaves suddenly en masse would be something like suddenly shutting down a prison and freeing all the inmates with the whites being the guards. Most whites were not slaveholders but all whites would face real threats of violence. In Haiti the emancipated black slaves murdered every single white, including women and children.

    And how exactly were all these freed slaves supposed to live? And what about the financial investments of families who bought one single slave to help them farm? It would be like a poor family buying a car and then cars being outlawed as immoral. The North didn’t free the slaves suddenly because they cared about slaves. They freed the slaves because it hurt Southerners.

    The North could have outlawed new slavery, automatically freed babies born of slaves, and started a program of buying and freeing black slaves in an orderly fashion. Slaves could and did buy their own freedom. Slavery would have ended naturally because it was not a competitive system.

    The North has never had to really answer for what they did to the South because they’ve turned the whole thing into a cartoon. White Southerners are rich, sadistic devils, while flesh-and-blood blacks are little puppies and kittens. Every white a brutal overseer and every black a Frederick Douglas. Southern White atrocities are recounted incessantly and in excruciating detail, Northern White atrocities are minimized, rationalized, and excused, while any mention of black atrocities is just racist propaganda and completely verboten.

    The same dynamic plays out right now with South Africa. Whites are being murdered and pushed out of their own country by blacks, but reporting is suppressed and called racist propaganda. No one ever questions the claim that whites “stole” black land even though the blacks are immigrants into a country founded by whites in 1600′s.

    Logically, if the whites in South Africa have no right to be in Africa because they are white, then what right do black Africans have to be outside of Africa? Black slaves produced cash crops with their labor in America. Whites built a first world country in Africa. Sanitation, paved roads, clean water, western medicine, reliable food production, modern logistics…how exactly do white people qualify as bad guys in this story?

    If white people are so awful, why do nonwhites insist on following them wherever they go? Why do nonwhites fight so hard to move into white neighborhoods, attend white schools, and work in white companies? Why doesn’t white flight ever work? Shouldn’t all these bad whites be completely isolated by now, and shouldn’t nonwhites be thrilled to be rid of them?

    I am completely serious when I ask this question. Sane people don’t demand to live in intimate proximity to people who are hurting them. They don’t demand that their children ride a bus for an hour so they can be left alone with them. Are Christians in the middle East demanding that their children go to Taliban schools? Are the Israelis demanding access to Palestinian schools? Do Russians send their kids to schools run by Ukrainian Nationalists?

  227. EagleEyeX says:
    @anarchyst

    TOTALLY correct ……just keep let ‘em in……that is what Putin is counting on and hence his reluctance to challenge the US to a duel in Syria. Between immigrants and Israel firsters running the show the US is lost. He knows it and is playing a waiting game instead of direct confrontation. Smart ……he will win. Neither immigrants or Israelis or for that matter American jews care about the US……for them it is the exploitation ….cash cow.
    USA people loose LARGE and don’t even know where it is coming from……..their fault in the end.

  228. Corvinus says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    “The only German to live in Milwaukee’s black area was that fine young cannibal, Dahmer.”

    Actually, you would be surprised to find that a number of whites today live in Milwaukee’s “black area”.

    “Most of the Central Americans who come to the United States are indigenous.”

    No, they are more mixed up racially and ethnically than you think.
    Miscegenation was inevitable because the Spanish who came were mostly males.

    “The Italians and Jews and Irish-Catholics did not so much overrun the Anglo-Saxons as congregate in Northeast cities that are now the centers of power and wealth via beltway. This put them in proximity of politics and Wall Street.”

    Exactly! They overran Anglo-Saxons by their sheer numbers and acquired power and wealth.

    “How dim-witted could the Italians be?”

    The nativists believed they were mentally deficient.

    “We don’t associate them with the social pathology of rural poverty.”

    Actually, ANY group is afflicted with rural poverty, and this social pathology can be seen in Italy today due to its aging population, difficulties in accessing services, and gender inequalities in entering the labor market.

  229. @Jeff Stryker

    Nobody still speaks Dutch (or German) in GR, even older people, and the city itself will soon have more Hispanics than Dutch. Not happy about it, just saying that your memory of GR is out of date. The wider West Michigan area is better, but heading in the wrong direction.

  230. Corvinus says:
    @LemmingsFolly

    “I am always shocked by the venomous hatred many people have towards Southerners of the Old South.”

    I actually love the South and Southerners. I’m just not a fan of Southrons. Big difference.

    “White people didn’t invent slavery, black slaves in America were captured and sold by other African blacks, free blacks owned and ran plantations, etc.”

    But white people, specifically Europeans, expanded this institution in the 1400 and 1500′s and made huge profits, with an entire continent being pillaged and plundered. And, remember, Europeans purchased those slaves from African tribes or captured them themselves.

    “The Civil War was part of very complicated political and economic interests, but the slavery question was not so much about the morals of slavery, but rather about what to do with freed slaves.”

    Uncle Tom’s Cabin, written by Harriet Beecher Stowe, was banned in the South because she dared to address the immorality of the “peculiar institution”.

    “The Southerners recognized that slavery was holding them back because it stigmatized work. Slaves worked, but they didn’t work hard or smart (and why should they?).”

    The reality is that the Southern slave economy was flourishing in the 1850′s. The slaves worked long hours and labored heavily. You really need to read your American history.

    “Freeing the slaves suddenly en masse would be something like suddenly shutting down a prison and freeing all the inmates with the whites being the guards.”

    So because of the potential threat of violence by blacks against whites if blacks were freed, slavery remained the best option? Is that what you are saying here?

    Most whites were not slaveholders but all whites would face real threats of violence.

    “In Haiti the emancipated black slaves murdered every single white, including women and children.”

    I believe you are referring to this event. Hopefully you are more accurate next time.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haitian_Revolution

    “And how exactly were all these freed slaves supposed to live? And what about the financial investments of families who bought one single slave to help them farm? It would be like a poor family buying a car and then cars being outlawed as immoral. The North didn’t free the slaves suddenly because they cared about slaves. They freed the slaves because it hurt Southerners.”

    Actually, anti-slavery societies formed in the North in large part because of its brutality, and by the 1850′s, increasing numbers of people were concerned that slavery would circumvent free labor. They cared about slaves from a social and economic perspective.

    “The North could have outlawed new slavery, automatically freed babies born of slaves, and started a program of buying and freeing black slaves in an orderly fashion. Slaves could and did buy their own freedom. Slavery would have ended naturally because it was not a competitive system.”

    Again, southern plantation owners were making oodles of cash, and were not about to slay the golden goose. Besides, slavery is immoral and evil, and requires its immediate ending, not for it to “end naturally”.

    “The North has never had to really answer for what they did to the South because they’ve turned the whole thing into a cartoon. White Southerners are rich, sadistic devils, while flesh-and-blood blacks are little puppies and kittens. Every white a brutal overseer and every black a Frederick Douglas. Southern White atrocities are recounted incessantly and in excruciating detail, Northern White atrocities are minimized, rationalized, and excused, while any mention of black atrocities is just racist propaganda and completely verboten.”

    Your emotions are getting in the way of facts.

    “Whites are being murdered and pushed out of their own country by black…”

    Actually, South Africa was originally controlled by blacks, until whites subjugated them. Some would say that the whites there are getting it “good and hard”, that they “deserve it”.

    “If white people are so awful, why do nonwhites insist on following them wherever they go?”

    Because most nonwhites do not believe that white people are awful, just some white people.

    “Sane people don’t demand to live in intimate proximity to people who are hurting them.”

    Again, you assume that most nonwhites hate white people. That is not the case.

    • Replies: @anon
  231. Them Guys says:
    @LemmingsFolly

    Very well stated, and so true. Those main points you stated also show why so many folks, Whites, that speak honestly consider blacks to be the #2 curse, and without any others as worse yet except for Jews….Americans, especially Whites, suffer under a double whammy combo curse of Jews and Negroes. With very few in each group being unlike the majority of their own group.

    Think of the many changes for better if America never had any, or at least very many of those two groups. Nobody can say for certain to all potential differences as its like predicting the future. But it is probably at least a, 99% certainty that America and European Whites would have been far better off, and everyone would have had more prosperity, better mental mindset’s, and just more all around happiness had by all…….Nobody would even know of a thing called, affirmative action agendas. Nor would weaponized words like antisemite etc. be heard across the lands. Most everything one can think of or consider, woud be far better for all in general, and beter yet for euro whites.

    And the same goes for every and any nation. Even Africa itself would be far different and much better if zero negroes ever inhabited it.

    We need every white person to open eyes and recognize facts as you wrote of. Then to speak freely about these factual issues. And without a care of anybodys claims of harmed sensibilities, whatever that means, or feelings. It should not be too difficult for anyone regardless of color or race, to simply admit that when one compares achievments between whites vs blacks, as you did, that overwhelming evidence and proof shows white created things, nations, cities etc etc as far superior.

    And also that its not just blacks who do not measure up vs whites, but it is every other race and group who lack something that whites have. Like you asked, why do they all always want to follow whitey and go where whitey invented, created, built, and paid for nations? Yet at same time are unable to contain within themselves a vast abject Hatred of Whitey.

    Besides a big boot out of the illegal alien invaders, if we also saw a majority of usa negroes accept an Cash offer of say, a couple years welfare bennies in cold hard cash, up front tax free, if they agreed to leave and go back to Africa or???…..Many, maybe most blacks would go for it and America would be like a shiney new nation…And one thing I believe all folks must agree with is that…

    You Never, Ever seem to hear of Any Shortages of African Negroes from any nations or locations on earth. I’ve never yet heard one person ever complain of too few negroes in usa. Or elsewhere.

    Of course I do not count nor include any Dem Lib polititions or neocon officials…They are the only persons you can find who will probably wish for more or claim a shortage of negroes exists.

    I bet if someone hit the cities streets as a reporter guy mic in hand etc…And interviewd White American folks, and asked One short question such as..”Can You describe what a shortage of Negro Blacks would cause or be like”?….Two type answers would consist of, #1 Out spoken awake Whites would say its a great idea or a very good out come…#2 type Whites, still in deep fear of speaking truth and facts in public, would probably remain silent, but will just produce a Huge Smile at the thought of negro shortages in usa. In Private #2 types likely to be more like #1 type and speak out too. Such huge smiles portray a deeply felt, inner happiness at the very thought of shortages of negroes.

    I say this from personal experience, as I never yet acted like a real reporter mic in hand, but I have often times asked white folks of every type such a question and recieved those very same two type replies…Smiles only, and spoken out loud in vast approval with a smile also. None yet ever cried tears at the thought of a shortage of negroes within usa. Even all white rural areas act the same way. Rural has zero negro experience unless they leave rural zones..However most every rural folk knows a huge portion of Fed & State taxes they pay go directly To large negro city zones, and for negro agenda policies of govnt. Rural can avoid militant, Negro Violence, but nobody can avoid high taxes for negroes high cost.

  232. @Corvinus

    With all due respect you are not very practical. People of white races of Europe in US are now totally intermingled by mixed marriages. Blacks and Jews are also but not so much.
    And by the way two German tribes of Anglos and Saxons when they came to US were result of intermarriage with Normans Vikings Scots Welsh and Irish.
    To tell you the truth not even God wold be able to sort it out.
    My opinion about you is that you are too ambitious.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  233. anon[112] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    “If white people are so awful, why do nonwhites insist on following them wherever they go?”

    Because most nonwhites do not believe that white people are awful, just some white people.

    you sidestepped the question

    non-whites insist on following whites for the handouts, that’s all

    just like the caravan of parasites on the way from central america

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  234. anon[112] • Disclaimer says:
    @LemmingsFolly

    I am always shocked by the venomous hatred many people have towards Southerners of the Old South. These people seem quite satisfied with the North burning everything down, destroying crops, killing farm animals, stealing supplies and food reserves, raping women, etc. Apparently, they deserved this because they had slaves.

    most people have been indoctrinated by the (((media))) to believe that Southerners are rotten, redneck hillbilly hicks

    non-Southerners have been trained to get a little charge to the ego for looking down our noses at them

  235. Corvinus says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    “With all due respect you are not very practical. People of white races of Europe in US are now totally intermingled by mixed marriages.”

    Which is a complete abomination.

    “And by the way two German tribes of Anglos and Saxons when they came to US were result of intermarriage with Normans Vikings Scots Welsh and Irish.”

    Another abomination. I mean, historic cultures became watered down. Such a shame.

  236. Corvinus says:
    @anon

    “you sidestepped the question”

    No, I answered it. You just don’t like the response.

    “non-whites insist on following whites for the handouts, that’s all”

    IF that be the case, the non-whites were taught well by the whites. After all, they invaded Africa and the Americas for gimmedats and free stuff. But then again, parasitism is an in-born trait of Europeans.

    • Replies: @anon
  237. anon[231] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    No, I answered it. You just don’t like the response.

    “Not all whites are bad therefore we follow them everywhere” is not an answer that makes any sense

    you don’t want to look into the reason that non-whites follow whites because its not flattering

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  238. Corvinus says:
    @anon

    “you don’t want to look into the reason that non-whites follow whites because its not flattering”

    The reality is that non-whites do not follow whites, they make their own path.

  239. Jett Rucker says: • Website

    Unity was a dominant theme in the days of Germany’s National-Socialist period (1933-1945). They even had a special word for it, which has entered the lexicon of Nazi terminology: Gleichschaltung.

    Roughly, it means “coordination” – really close coordination. All the time. On everything.

  240. @Corvinus

    I assume nothing; the facts speak for themselves to anyone willing to study/look/listen.

    Let us set the stage: Millennialism was all the rage, particularly among the highly influential New England Yankees in the period under discussion. This means, amongst other things, that those particularly pious people saw it necessary to “clean up” the land in preparation of the Lord’s (perceived) imminent return. That is, they saw the land as the New Jerusalem and the south as another country to be subdued into a thing called a nation. This idea dovetails nicely with Lincoln’s demagogic and tyrannic nature, as he sees a strong sense of nationalism as imperative to achieving his goals; the deification and worship of the State. Small wonder that Karl Marx and Prof. Foner admire Lincoln so highly then. Thus my mention of Foner’s admonition to hold the former Soviet Union together by force. Prof. Foner sees the use of State-power as legitimate and necessary to subjugate free men at all costs and this taints his work at times.

    The other important development we see dovetailing with the aforementioned and creating a political powderkeg, if you will, is the recognition by the Yankee industrialists who are afraid of going out of business if they lose the protectionist tariffs through southern ports and politicians who do not want to lose the tariff revenues (Tariff of Abominations) if the south secedes.

    In light of all this it is no wonder the statist historians leave it out of their works or gloss over it and those authors and historians who do develop these facts to give a more full-orbed perspective are wrongly derided.

    I will have nothing more to say on the subject. It’s all there for those who are looking and don’t worship the State.

    • Replies: @OEMIKITLOB
    , @Corvinus
  241. @OEMIKITLOB

    To be clear, Corvinus, I am saying that the Marxist/communist/socialist/State-worshipping love of some authors and historians forces them to wrongly interpret events at times.

  242. Corvinus says:
    @OEMIKITLOB

    “I assume nothing; the facts speak for themselves to anyone willing to study/look/listen.”

    Except you gave away your distinct bias–any author you personally deem to be “Marxist/communist/socialist/State-worshipping” is automatically mistaken.

    “Thus my mention of Foner’s admonition to hold the former Soviet Union together by force. Prof. Foner sees the use of State-power as legitimate and necessary to subjugate free men at all costs and this taints his work at times.”

    What specific passages are you referring to you in his work? What is the context?

    “The other important development we see dovetailing with the aforementioned and creating a political powderkeg, if you will, is the recognition by the Yankee industrialists who are afraid of going out of business if they lose the protectionist tariffs through southern ports and politicians who do not want to lose the tariff revenues (Tariff of Abominations) if the south secedes.”

    That is assuredly one factor for the Civil War. Likewise, southern plantation owners were making money hand over fist with their chattel. There were legitimate fears that they would entertain offers to industrialize, train their slaves, and compete with free labor. Southern plantation owners would fight to the death to ensure that their way of life would be preserved.

    “In light of all this it is no wonder the statist historians leave it out of their works or gloss over it and those authors and historians who do develop these facts to give a more full-orbed perspective are wrongly derided.”

    Again, you ASSUME that they have a this “full-orbed perspective”. So how and why are their arguments more persuasive than Foner?

    • Replies: @OEMIKITLOB
  243. @Corvinus

    “I assume nothing; the facts speak for themselves to anyone willing to study/look/listen.”

    Except you gave away your distinct bias–any author you personally deem to be “Marxist/communist/socialist/State-worshipping” is automatically mistaken.”

    Non-sequitur.

    “What specific passages are you referring to you in his work? What is the context?”

    All the passages where he focuses on a sense of strong nationalism (i.e. a powerful Federal government). It is no secret that Prof. Foner is a lover of Federal power and the exercise of it, so stop being coy here. Truth be told, I believe you may also have these urges and affections also which would account for your reactions and responses.

    “Again, you ASSUME that they have a this “full-orbed perspective”. So how and why are their arguments more persuasive than Foner?”

    I already gave you 3 neglected strands of thought that I believe are more persuasive in giving an account of the period in question, so why are you acting obstinate?

    1) The New England Yankee Millennialism fanatics.

    2) Lincoln’s demagogic and tyrannic aspirations.

    3) The recognition by the northerners of the economic consequences of southern secession.

    You may believe what you wish re: slavery and saving “the Union” ( which, btw, Lincoln only saved geographically; he destroyed it otherwise). I leave it to the reader to decide for him/herself.

    • Replies: @JanesinNM
  244. JanesinNM says:

    It should not survive, but be broken up into at least 50 different nation states with conservatives and liberals separated in their own nation states devoid of nonbelievers.

  245. JanesinNM says:
    @OEMIKITLOB

    100 percent correct. Lincoln destroyed America and the lawful American government for the bankers. Lincoln was a traitor and should be posthumously prosecuted as such and every memorial no matter how seemingly insignificant should be destroyed. Lincoln caused every American to be a slave to the bankers, regardless of race etc.

  246. @LemmingsFolly

    I am always shocked by the venomous hatred many people have towards Southerners of the Old South.

    Two things. First, the victors, and their descendants, get to write the history. Also they control whatever history is written by the defeated. It sounds better when it comes from those who are beaten. This explains the materials used to indoctrinate the next generation. Which explains why southerners are objects of hatred even to this day. Indeed, more so than immediately after the Civil War.

    Second. People, all of us, have the need, innately, to hate. It’s part of what makes us human. Just as lust, envy and greed are inborn, so too is the need to hate.

    Indeed, part of maturation is learning to control the impulse to strike out at whatever we hate. Subjugation of the hate impulse is essential if any organized society is to function.

    Sometimes, provocation is too great and poorly controlled hatred boils over into attack response. Generally though, provocation and irritation can be controlled by flight. i.e. run away.

    Problems arise when there isn’t anyplace left to run to. Then, the only solution is kill or be killed. In that situation, organized effort wins the day. This requires a delayed, carefully planned, response to provocation. Similar to what we see in the Russian response to provocation in Syria.
    The Samson Option is not restricted to the Israelis. Provocations should be carefully considered before implementation.

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