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“More than 100 companies, including most of high-tech’s biggest names,” have threatened to “move jobs outside the United States,” unless they get their way.

What do they want? They want President Trump to give up on “Protecting the Nation from Foreign Terrorist Entry into the United States,” the POTUS’s Executive Order, currently being refined to withstand legal challenges from these and related special interests.

Where will America’s “tech titans” go? Presumably to the banned countries, without whose high-tech talent our companies cannot do business. Or, so their antics imply. Washington State, which led the charge against President Trump’s “travel ban” on Syria, Yemen, Somalia, Sudan, Iraq, Libya and Iran, is home to some of these powerful, high-tech traitors.

Why the strong language?

I’ve yet to hear of a single coveted Syrian, Yemeni, Somali, Sudanese, Iraqi and Libyan needed right away in Redmond for his exceptional, technical know-how. (I know of one highly productive, much older Afghani. He acquired his degree under … Russian occupation and has been in the US for decades.)

The only case tech traitors can reasonably make for Muslim high-tech talent, invisible to the naked eye, are the Iranians. They’re well-represented in our state’s tech sector as top talent. In adding Iran to the travel ban, President Trump is clearly appeasing the neoconservative snakes slithering around his administration. They’re fixing for a fight with Iran, stupidly collapsing the distinction between the Iranian State (sponsor of terrorism), and the Iranian people (who’re not the reason the Eiffel Tower is being walled-off by bullet-proof glass).

Were our tech execs remotely honest, they’d make the case for their Iranian talent. No more. Don’t pretend you’ll relocate in order to employ Syrians, Yemenis, Somalis, Sudanese, Iraqis and Libyans to fabricate your (stunning) Surface Pro 4 Tablets. For their importation, American taxpayers will be the ones footing the bill in blood and treasure. Allow the president to protect America from what is generally an unproductive, atavistic, immigrant cohort.

Oh, and if I hear more indignant hyperbole about Steve Jobs’ illustrious Syrian lineage, I’ll hit the roof. Apple’s founder was not raised by his Syrian biological father, who deserted him. (Like members of the men-only refugee club, whose members left their women, children and elderly behind to … the sentence is yours to complete.) Jobs never cared for the Syrian sperm donor. The name Jobs is that of his adopted Armenian father, whom he credits with inspiring him. A “genius with his hands,” said Jobs about his Christian dad. (Armenians are Christians who’ve come close to extinction-by-Muslim. Remind me why we need more Muslims in America.)

Doubly victimized in all this are the taxpayers. We’re on the hook for litigation to advance the aims of social justice warriors; radical leftists, who take sadistic pleasure in displacing and diminishing American men.

Understand: For the tech tycoons it’s not about cheap labor, although importing a glut of mostly second-rate computer programmers and IT workers from India and Pakistan (birthplace of Tashfeen Malik, perpetrator of the San Bernardino massacre) does suppress wages, overall.

Conservatives are wrong. The myth that these strategically imported workers are paid less than an American worker with comparable skills, with whom they work side-by-side, is as bogus as the fairytale about the female-male wage gap. (It vanishes when variables such as education, experience and time in the workplace are held constant.)

Wage differentials obtain in the practices of the primary H-1B Visa hogs—Infosys, the Tata Group and eight or so other sister Indian firms. Different pay scales for imported workers aren’t a feature of the egalitarian American company. In places like Microsoft and Amazon, everyone is equal (white men excepted). Salaries, raises and bonuses are applied to all evenly, commensurate with an employee’s performance, and depending on his job level or the grade occupied on the company’s technical career track.

Again: Imported workers aren’t paid less than American workers.

Make no mistake, H-1B Visa sponsors, Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg included, pay a fortune to process this generally mediocre class of immigrant. Enormous is the price of the in-house bureaucracy required to keep filing the paper work associated with the assorted classes of workers imported. Every year, until the coveted Green Card is granted, Human Resources departments will be jumping through countless legalistic hoops to help their Chosen Ones remain in the United States.

Labor imported by the H-1B Visa hogs is not cheap.

Touted as a means of trawling for the best and the brightest, the H-1B Visa system is anything but. “Ordinary talent doing ordinary work” is Professor Norman S. Matloff’s overall assessment of the standard H-1B crop. Matloff is a computer scientist at the University of California. By his telling, the 65,000 yearly recipients of H-1B visas are mostly “average workers. The vast majority of H-1Bs, including those hired from U.S. universities” [for which Washington State University sought taxpayer-sponsored representation before the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals] are ordinary people doing ordinary work, not the best and the brightest. On the contrary, the average quality of the H-1Bs is lower than that of the Americans.”

The clincher: The majority of H-1Bs are not doing work for which qualified Americans are unavailable.

Would that our tech executives were just businessmen vested in the wealth of their shareholders. That would be a blessing and a good thing. The truth is that tech traitors are true believers, radical leftists; social justice warriors, vested in the engineering of tribalism (“multiculturalism”) and racial favoritism (“affirmative action”) in the workplace.

Workplace tribalism doesn’t contribute to creativity, productivity or the happiness of the Forgotten Man; it’s what his overlords want for him (I’ll tell you why, next time). It’s the corporate culture.

When it grows up, organizations like Microsoft want to be the government.



ILANA Mercer is a paleolibertarian writer and thinker based in the US. Her weekly column was begun in Canada in 1999. (Archive) Ilana is the author of TheTrump Revolution: The Donald’s Creative Destruction Deconstructed (June, 2016) and Into The Cannibal’s Pot: Lessons for America From Post-Apartheid South Africa (2011). She’s a fellow at the Jerusalem Institute for Market Studies. Follow ilana on Twitter: , Gab: Facebook:
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  1. Anonymous [AKA "EbonyE"] says:

    Given the treatment or the Armenians by Muslim, Steven Jobs adopted father adopting a Syrian child indicates he must have been a great man indeed.

  2. john cronk says: • Website

    Beautifully explained, Ilana.

  3. KenH says:

    India and Pakistan (birthplace of Tashfeen Malik, perpetrator of the San Bernardino massacre) does suppress wages, overall.

    Born in Pakistan , wife is Saudi Arabian and both spent much time in SA. Curiously, both Pakistan and SA were left off the travel ban list for political reasons since both nations are ostensibly “helping” us in our never ending war on terror.

  4. The majority of H-1Bs are not doing work for which qualified Americans are unavailable.

    Certainly. But they’re doing it for less pay, which is the whole point. Plus, they are chained to their workplaces like galley slaves. This has nothing whatsoever to do with any “social justice warriors”, these are simple economics.

    • Replies: @artichoke
  5. Zenarchy says:

    Armenians were killed for the same reasons Stalin punished Ukranians or Tatars – for being traitors to the nationalist cause. And they were killed by the least Muslim of Turkish Muslims of the time….

    Here’s an interesting information:

    In India, foreigners can only work if they get a work visa, the precondition of which is that the job pays at least 25.000 USD (+taxes) per year. In 2 weeks in India, I did not see a single ad for a job that paid that well. So Muslims will still have a MUCH MUCH bigger chance of working in Trump’s US than in India where 99,99 % of foreigners are given no chance by the xenophobic state.

    Consider also this:
    – in India being gay is fully banned,
    – people are getting killed for eating the holy cow,
    – all cinemas have to play the national anthem before every movie, and you must stand up in order not to get beaten, and the doors have to be locked during the anthem,

    and you will understand why Arundhati Roy said MSM reporters in Delhi told her they are given orders not to write bad articles about India due to investment potential. Why else would the MSM portray USA or Russia as more fascists??

  6. Ilana explains it perfectly, high tech traitors. I work in media, and the whole drive is pushing your social media presence. All these platforms are owned by these same high tech traitors who work against our own best interests…always pushing for elite, technocratic global enslavement and surveillance. Meanwhile, is it okay to hope for Ilana to replace bubblehead Megyn McCain on FOX? Oh, to have some actual intellect rather than talking points.

  7. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Here is a useful glimpse into the globo-geek mentality. Right from the Globorse’s Mouth:

    “History is the story of how we’ve learned to come together in ever greater numbers — from tribes to cities to nations. At each step, we built social infrastructure like communities, media and governments to empower us to achieve things we couldn’t on our own.”


    What does he mean by ‘we’? When Zuck says ‘we’, he really means ‘me’.

    His view of history is total caca. It would imply that tribes surrendered their tribal identity and became part of nations. But let’s look at the Jews. Did Jews give up tribalism when they joined nations? And are they giving up tribalism and Zionism as they go globalist?

    No, with Jews, I see an integral connection between tribalism and globalism.
    This is the Jewish Paradox.
    For other peoples, going from tribalism to nationalism meant loss of tribal identity and gaining of wider identity. And their loss of national identity in favor of global identity would also require a fundamental change of identity and outlook.

    But, Jews joined national systems WITHOUT giving up their tribal identity. And this wasn’t simply due to anti-Jewish discrimination but because Jews insisted on their special identity and separateness. After all, the Holocaust Narrative has a great contradiction. On the one hand, Jews gripe that gentiles saw them as The Other, even to the point of murderous-ness. But the Holocaust Narrative doesn’t say that Jews should forgo their identity and join with rest of humanity that, in turn, must forgo their own identities and join with Jews to be Brotherhood of Man. If anything, the Holocaust Narrative says gentiles should favor Jews above all with special sympathy and ‘guilt’ and that Jews should be even more tribal because they suffered like no other people.
    Early communism did have a mutually universalist idealism, but it didn’t work in the long run. Polish communists insisted on Polish communism. And USSR maintained its separate republics and cultures even though clumsy and cumbersome Russian was used as cosmo-communism. (I can’t think of a worse culture to use to unite various peoples. Russian culture and language is heavy!!)
    Anyway, Jews didn’t surrender their tribalism when they joined national systems, and they are now sticking to Jewishness as they go for globalist dominance.
    Indeed, Jews now favor globalism over nationalism precisely because globalism is useful for Jewish tribalist supremacism. After all, nationalism means barriers to the globalist elites(who are disproportinately Jewish, Anglo, European, Hindu, and Chinese). Globalism destroys most tribalisms and nationalisms, BUT it passes over(PASSOVER) Israel and it privileges Jewish tribalism.

    Also, no one is opposed to the exchange of ideas and technology and arts. Most people around the world want that.
    But Zuck-Soros brand of globalism calls for massive open borders and invasions of all nations except Israel.

    If Jews like Zuck were at least sincere in mutually surrendering their own nationalism for globalist one-world unity, they would at least have some integrity(if not much sense). But Jews haven’t even surrendered their tribalism yet. if anything, both political parties promote Universal America to serve the narrow tribalist interests of Jews. We are told America must be for everyone(so that diverse goyim can be played for ‘divide and rule’), but we must all stand up for Israel’s right to be a Jewish State.

    If indeed, Zuck’s view of history is correct, then Jews should have surrendered their Jewish tribalism long ago and just become Christians, Muslims, Germans, Russians, Poles, and etc.
    But in every nation, Jews stuck to their own tribal identity and interests. Even as they joined in the national systems and cultures, they maintained their separate sensibility, identity, and history. Also, worldwide Jewish networking had been BOTH globalist AND tribalist. After all, Jews favored other Jews in these networks. If Jews are really for mutualist globailsm, they should not favor other Jews. But what happened in Russia in the 90s? It looks like American Jews and Russian Jews made a great team. Look at Wall Street. Sure, there are lots of Jews who made it on meritocracy, but isn’t there Jewish networking? And look at Hollywood. Why are Jews are so prominent there? Yes, Jews made Hollywood, but how come it’s been so Jewish-dominant forever?

    If the Zucks of the world were truly sincere, he should call on all Jews to surrender tribal Jewish identity and even give up on Zionist-Israel mentality and just join with rest of humanity. But, he won’t.
    And he knows that globalism is about winners and losers. Since Jews are smarter and well-connected(and well-protected from criticism by Holocaust narrative), Zuck knows that globalism will mean Jews as the top winners. Also, Zuck’s business is perfectly geared for globalism. The worldwidenet is indeed a global phenom. BUT, this can’t be said for every industry. There are national industries like oil and gas in Russia and Latin America. Globalize them, and the likes of Soros will take over everything.

    Globalism isn’t about all peoples winning equally. It is about all people coming under the dominance of a few winners who take it all. Take sports. Globalized sports means blacks taking over sports in every nation. We see it in America and Europe. I hear even Vietnam has black guys on its soccer team. Since blacks are best, blacks dominate all of globo sports culture.
    So, it means the end of local national heroes. (There’s a reason why the Ancient Greeks kept the game only among themselves.)
    And since Hollywood dominates big blockbuster movies, all the world has for culture the umpteenth sequel or prequel of STAR WARS and some comic book hero movie.
    And since US military is the strongest, it feels it should be ruling all the waters and shorelines, and toppling nations to spread ‘democracy’ and ‘human rights’ as Americans call it.
    And since Jews are powerful in Wall Street, globalist media, and US government, the main theme of globalist culture all over the world is the almighty dollar and homomania, even to the point of having church of england become bathhouse of england. (Gaddafi thought up a new system of trade in Africa, and he was taken out.)

    Zuck fears reality because reality is sobering. It makes us wake up, gain self-control, shake ourselves from the opiate haze, grab onto and defend what is true, organic, and tangible. So, Zuck tries to suck us into a fantasy themepark maze “where where all the women are strong, all the men are good looking, and all the children are above average.”

    I don’t like where the future is going.

    • Replies: @artichoke
  8. You’re missing a point here, Ilana. It’s not about a differential in pay; the average pay of all workers in the field will be lower when these elite software-tech geeks can import any new labor they want. Do you see where it brings down the average? It’s simple supply/demand economics.

    I used to work with young guys in the early oughts who didn’t have a college degree but could find another computer job in a week if they needed to move or what-have-you. They were smart guys, but unless you’re at the very high-end (creating the database program itself or a compiler, or writing algorithms for serious number-crunching, etc.) you don’t need a degree for this (actual Engineering is another story). It’s not just the in-sourcing that’s the problem – the outsourcing is hurting too, but they don’t need to pile it on.

    One more thing, as a commenter who’s comment I just skimmed wrote, it’s the indentured servitude deal that the owners love too. Mr. Patel ain’t gonna complain about 60-hour work-weeks on salary, idiot managers with coffee-breath (but who’s talking, right ;-} or anything else until that long-term green card arrives. That makes conditions worse for whatever Americans are left working there, which really translates into lower pay.

    i.e. It’s pretty jacked up!

  9. @Achmed E. Newman

    I’m replying to my own comment, currently in moderation, so this could get dicey (you don’t hire any dot-injuns, do you Ron? The site commenting system is the best I’ve seen).

    I agree with you on a larger point, Ilana, that cheap labor is not the big goal. I think, though these computer-tech owner-elites do love the cheap labor, as the supply goes toward H-1B infinity, what these elite/globalists really want is to gut out the American middle class. The point there is to get rid of the last vestige of individualist-thinking people with means – i.e. white, middle-class men that have been known to band together in associations, keep arms and stay regulated with them (in practice, for those non-US-Constitution-reading folks) and are intelligent enough to figure out when they are being screwed and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

    Globalist elites want these people gone, wiped out, so the one-world ideas can come to fruition. I’m not saying it’s one big master plan – they just think the same way.

    So the idea of a) the Red Team wants the cheap labor and b) the Blue Team wants the votes is kind of old school. It’s not false, but the team leaders are intermingling and cohabitating and the overriding urge of the elite to wipe out the middle class has been revealed by their words and actions.

    • Replies: @artichoke
  10. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    TFNTS – too funny not to share

  11. artichoke says:
    @Mao Cheng Ji

    Those doing it for cheap are pretty darn average. The sharp ones with PhD’s from good programs are well paid. That’s my experience.

    • Replies: @Mao Cheng Ji
    , @MarkinLA
  12. artichoke says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I’ve never worked for a big company in recent decades that considered itself a US corporation — even though they were incorporated in a state of the USA! They all had the global thing going on, with a culture that seemed designed to keep foreigners in the mix.

    I think the article is right on.

  13. artichoke says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    However I never saw the H1B’s as the hardest workers. The hardest workers were often Americans — maybe trying to keep their jobs in their homeland above the flood of foreigners constantly being brought in.

  14. artichoke says:

    The Jews don’t have a homeland. To the extent it’s Israel, 90% of the UN wants to put it out of existence. If there’s no homeland, would you not expect another manifestation of tribalism in any healthy culture?

  15. @artichoke

    Those doing it for cheap are pretty darn average. The sharp ones with PhD’s from good programs are well paid. That’s my experience.

    But the second category is a small minority. And still, are the imported sharp ones as well-paid as the equally sharp domestic ones? I think not.

    And that’s without even taking into consideration the non-immigrant outsourced labor (somewhere in Pune or Bangalore). Those are decisively below average, in my experience.

  16. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website

    Zuck and his couple of buildings with servers and about hundred-two pages of code and (hi) tech are related to each-other exactly how? US real “tech”, granted with some notable exceptions, is, as a huge chunk of US economy, nothing more than virtual reality. Real (hi)tech in US today is in pharmaceutical, aerospace, hardware, real industries etc. Apple, let alone FB hardly qualify.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  17. @Andrei Martyanov

    Nice job, and in other words: “Writing software is not engineering, bitchez!”

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  18. Talha says:

    Pretty good article – lot of items to think about. I think Ms. Mercer makes the case fairly well that these policies simply don’t seem to be in the interests of U.S. citizens. And as they (at least somewhat) can exercise some modicum of control to have the government enforce policies that benefit them, it looks like the Trump administration has some work cut out for them in making the landscape advantageous to its citizens again.


  19. imbroglio says:

    Here in P.C.ville where there are more colleges and universities in a twenty mile radius than there are anywhere in the country, we have sanctuary campuses and we are sanctuary towns.

    We like foreigners mainly because they’re well-behaved except when they get angry and because we have a wide variety of ethnic restaurants and cafes. The state university, where young women appear to be raped and sexually assaulted at an alarming rate (it was one in five, now it’s one in four unless it’s one in three on the way to one in one as American life itself is an act of rape and sexual assault) has lately targeted hate speech as an expellable offense. Hate speech includes expressions of support and affection for “the monster in the White House.”

    The chancellor, an Indian gentleman from India, tells us what American values are. Some feminists, outraged when others indulge in cultural appropriation, have adopted the hijab as a visual honorific, mostly photographically, not yet sartorially, as a proud symbol of their rejection of America, the hijab made of an American flag. Straight white men are persona cis-grata and know better than to open their racist, misogynist mouths. Even the porta-potties are bi-cameral, and it’s guns wielded by Christians and Zionists that kill people which is why both should be outlawed.

    The motto of our narrative is “If you say something, see something.”

    • Replies: @Ragno
  20. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @Achmed E. Newman

    “Writing software is not engineering, bitchez!”

    Writing it for FB, one of the greatest virtual useless (in fact, wasteful) projects, is not. Point of application has a massive importance–one thing which most Western “economists” don’t get. And then, of course, comes the other thing–many did learn “programming” on their own even without any engineering background. Try now to get through MS in electrical or aerospace engineering on your own (I am not talking about rare exceptions of geniuses). Good luck with that.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  21. @Andrei Martyanov

    That’s what I just said. Programming is not engineering. It can be a tool used to do engineering, but these terms “Database Engineer”, “Software Engineer” etc. are wrong. That’s not to disrespect the jobs in software – the development ones require a lot of hard thinking, but they are not engineering jobs.

  22. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @Achmed E. Newman

    So we agree, then;-) I simply misconstrued your post as a disagreement, me stupid. Until one suffered through Differential Equations courses and what goes under the general title of Applied Math and Physics, one is not a real engineer))

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  23. @Achmed E. Newman

    Programming is not engineering

    But no one calls programming ‘engineering’. Designing complex software and database systems on the other hand… Why the hell not. It’s a similar activity.

  24. @Andrei Martyanov

    Fukin-A right, Smoothie, if the laws that one works under/with are man-made (such as where the files go is based on where Bill Gates said they go) then it’s not engineering. Engineers work under/with the physical laws of the universe, the ones that the 9th Circuit Court can’t even touch with my a ten-foot pole.

    I will read your site tonight – looking forward to the article about the whales (747s).

  25. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @Mao Cheng Ji

    But no one calls programming ‘engineering’

    Software engineering–an official title and so is Software Engineer. In the same time, there are already such things as Financial Engineering and Financial Engineers–a logical conclusion to turning US economy into FIRE (Finance, Real Estate, Insurance), that is service economy. Needless to say many of those services are completely contrived and produce (add) no value whatsoever.

  26. @Andrei Martyanov

    Software engineering–an official title and so is Software Engineer.

    Yes, I know. But there are Software Engineers and there are Programmers, and these are two different trades. ‘Engineering’ software systems is different from writing code. Like an architect and a carpenter.

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  27. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @Mao Cheng Ji

    But there are Software Engineers and there are Programmers, and these are two different trades

    I am aware of that but they are tightly interconnected. I have acquaintance with several Software Engineers, some of them Ph.Ds in computer science. I am not sure all of them would fit into manufacturing related engineering.

  28. @Mao Cheng Ji

    It’s not because it does not work with the laws of nature (physics, basically) as engineering does. I wrote this already, and it’s a big distinction.

    Again, I’m not saying that the stuff is easy – it’s just not engineering and the computer people ought to get off this crap before more engineers get pissed and …..

    … un-like them? ;-}

    • Replies: @Mao Cheng Ji
  29. @Andrei Martyanov

    That is another pet peeve. The word “engineering” gets used a lot nowadays, (just from my limited website use, it seems like especially on sites like for anything that is like a nefarious plan. It’s used as an insult, and that is more annoying even than computer people calling themselves engineers – an I am more hardcore than you on this, I think.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  30. @Achmed E. Newman

    It’s not because it does not work with the laws of nature (physics, basically) as engineering does.

    Yes, but I guess a lot of people feel that the word ‘engineering’ describes a process of creating a complex structure (physical or not) from individual interacting components. So, you could ‘engineer an economic recovery’, or ‘political transition’, for example. Perhaps it started as an idiom, but now it’s certainly a legitimate meaning.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  31. @Mao Cheng Ji

    You have a point, Mao. Words do change their meaning over time. However, engineering is a noble profession, and I hate to see the name of this profession used with these other meanings. I’m not sure what I alone can do about it, besides write a comment now and then – OK still haven’t heard from the post author about the average decrease in pay and working conditions in the software business due to the H-1B visa scam. I guess she must agree with me wholeheartedly (or have a day job)

  32. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Mr. Patel ain’t gonna complain about 60-hour work-weeks on salary, idiot managers with coffee-breath (but who’s talking, right ;-} or anything else until that long-term green card arrives. That makes conditions worse for whatever Americans are left working there, which really translates into lower pay.

    Anne Applebaum wrote an article in which she presents Dubai as a possible foreknowledge of the future, with large masses of submissive illegal and semi-legal foreigners fearful of expulsion, a submissive citizen population through foreigners, and a despotic government hovering above them all.


    Yet this apparently harmonious, multi-ethnic society has a dark side. Occasionally, the invisible Arab police state arrests a tourist for an alleged indecent gesture or deports somebody without explanation. Nobody protests, because almost nobody “lives” in Dubai, in the sense that a 19th-century immigrant lived in New York. Fewer than 20% of the 1.7 million inhabitants of Dubai are citizens. The rest are expat bankers and traders — there is no income tax in Dubai — or low-wage laborers, mostly from South Asia, some of whom live like indentured servants.
    No wonder they aren’t bothered by the vulgarity of the place: They’re probably going to move somewhere else next year anyway. A transient population isn’t likely to launch a movement for democracy or political rights. If they protest, they risk expulsion. The natives aren’t excited about the prospect of majority rule, either, since the majority is foreign. That’s why you’ve heard nothing about Dubai since the start of the Arab spring.

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  33. Jason Liu says:

    That’s funny, the SJWs say the exact opposite about them.

  34. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website

    Anne Applebaum wrote an article in which she presents Dubai as a possible foreknowledge of the future

    One of few lucid thoughts from Anne Applebaum. I mean her view of Dubai. Per vacations I would rather go to Montana (and then on to Alberta) or Moscow and St.Petersburg and to Karelia. But it’s just me, I am not impressed by Gulfies’ post-modernist glass facades–tasteless and shallow.

    • Agree: Talha
  35. MarkinLA says:

    Again: Imported workers aren’t paid less than American workers.

    Even if this is true (and it isn’t) it is a totally stupid argument. When you replace a guy with 10 years experience who is basically doing menial work for a company (because most of the work to be done in menial) and replace him with an H-1B at entry level wages it depresses everybody’s wages and puts an American who has a mortgage and kids out on the street and possibly on welfare so that the corporation can save on the differential between the salary of a new-hire and somebody with 10 years experience.

    Ilana needs to stick to things she knows something about.

  36. MarkinLA says:

    Somebody with a PhD doesn’t need an H-1B visa. There are visas for exceptional talent. I think it is called O-1.

  37. MarkinLA says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Back in the mainframe days much of the programming for embedded systems (called real-time programming then) was done on bare hardware. A degree in computer science was useful in that you might have to deal with interrupts, memory management systems, critical regions, numerical analysis, and other issues related to operating systems or floating point representation. Even in mainframes a lot of energy was spent trying to figure out how to reduce the processor idle time of the mainframe computer. Those machines were costly and computer time cost a lot.

    The first company I worked at was still making fixed head disk drives to be used as swap space for mainframes.

    Now due to the advances in technology, simple programming of applications is something any high school kid can do.

  38. MarkinLA says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Many colleges put computer science under the Engineering School, This is because there is more to Computer Science than just programming. You don’t study the architecture of a computer in Electrical Engineering. You also don’t study it in Mathematics. The architecture has a lot to do with the physics behind the computer such as its memory (magnetic core in the 60s and semiconductor memory today). Computer Science has a lot to do with the algorithms used to make a computer work more efficiently. Leonard Kleinrock at UCLA is a world famous professor who pioneered queuing theory which is the basis for packet switching on computer networks.

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  39. @MarkinLA

    So what, magnetic core vs. semiconductor memory (per your example) is just knowledge of the properties of each. Now, if you’re writing about the guy developing the memory chips, that’s electrical engineering (with some mechanical too re: the heat transfer out of it). All of the stuff you say is not engineering – you are not working with the physical laws of nature.

    Let me put it another way: Is calculus involved? [YES] you may be an engineer. [NO] you probably are not an engineer, unless you are working with empirical equations that try to model physics with no closed-form solutions.

    I agree wholeheartedly with your other 3 recent posts, Mark in Los Angeles (or is it Lower Alabama? – people in the north of AL call it that.), especially “Ilana needs to stick to things she knows something about.“.

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  40. MarkinLA says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Now, if you’re writing about the guy developing the memory chips, that’s electrical engineering (with some mechanical too re: the heat transfer out of it)

    Actually there is more to it than that. There is the material science (which is a lot of chemistry) and the physics behind semiconductors. A lot of research has gone into different semiconductors and how they are doped to achieve the desired effect.

    The issue of core memory versus semiconductor has a lot to do with how each has to be handled and those design issues are part of the computer architecture. Magnetic core was relatively slow but was stable and cheap compared to early semiconductor memory. However, it was destructive when read so had to be rewritten after the read. Early large scale semiconductor memory had to be continually refreshed. The first project I worked on used a non-volatile semiconductor memory chip (you didn’t have to refresh it). It only had 128 8 bit memory cells in one large chip. This is why early PCs used dynamic RAMs that needed a refresh circuit operating parallel to the processor. This requires a bus arbitration circuit so that when the processor is not accessing memory a special circuit is stroking the memory.

    This is engineering. Just because the building blocks are digital doesn’t mean that it is anything as simple as programming an app on your cell phone. When somebody is debugging a digital electronics design he many times finds out that the problems are caused by issues with the analog underpinnings of the digital components. Without an EE those issues are hard to understand.

  41. . Without an EE those issues are hard to understand.

    Exactly, you need an EE. E = Electrical and the other E = Engineer. So, you need an engineer for the digital design that involves analog (i.e. physical) processes underneath.

    I think we are in full agreement at this point in time. (or, “what I said.” ;-}

    Have a good evening, Mark.

  42. As a software “engineer” with 40 years of experience, I have seen brilliant programmers/engineers who don’t have college degrees. Generally, my opinion is that a BS is sufficient in today’s market since that is what corporations require. A masters degree does not hurt because there is lots of competition. But I would advise for an MBA. Advanced degrees are necessary for academic positions.

    Software development today is extremely complex and does require dedication and talent but there is tremendous talent in this country. Bringing people in is strictly to reduce wages.

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  43. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website

    As a software “engineer” with 40 years of experience, I have seen brilliant programmers/engineers who don’t have college degrees.

    That was precisely the point. One can become good software programmer/”engineer”/what have you based on a sheer talent. One can not become good electric, mechanical, naval, aerospace etc. engineer without massive background in serious math and physics (chemistry for related fields). Not going to happen. Just reading Differential Equations course or introduction to aerodynamics or hydrodynamics is not gonna do it–one needs years of intense training in the field. Immersion. Those are difficult subjects, some of them require constant “refreshing”. They also constitute a foundation on which engineering mind is built upon.

  44. anarchyst says:

    The author’s assumption that H1-b visa holders do not make less than their American counterparts is false. H1-b visa holders DO make less than their American counterparts. In addition, the employer is not required to withhold or pay FICA (Social Security) taxes. This, in itself is a large “chunk of change” that the employer does not have to pay. Many people are unaware that, here in the USA, an employer is required to “match” the FICA “contribution that the employee pays, but not for H1-b visa holders.

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