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The headline is from a Turkish government site: “French call to replace English with Latin as Europe’s official language.” When I read the headline, I laughed. I stopped laughing as I read the article. Yes, Latin should be the official language of the European Union.

It’s an even better idea than that of Eric Zemmour – an Algerian Jew of Berber origin – who is an outspoken defender of France. He says French should be the European Union’s official language now that Britain has left. He points out that just two countries in the Union – Ireland and Malta – use English as official languages and both have their own languages. French, (almost the literal lingua franca) makes more sense as the Continental language than pidgin English.

Eric Zemmour. Copyright: xVincentxIsorex (Credit Image: © Imago via ZUMA Press)
Eric Zemmour. Copyright: xVincentxIsorex (Credit Image: © Imago via ZUMA Press)

However, the Turkish article mentions a French official named Sundar Ramanadane, who goes one better and says the EU’s common language should be Latin. Why?

  1. The United Kingdom left the European Union and “Brexit must be accomplished in both directions.”
  2. French would anger Germans, and German would anger the French.
  3. “Modern Hebrew, the product of the resurrection of a language long remained dead, accompanied the construction of Israel.” Europe should do the same. If the European Union is to be a power, it should have a language that builds a common identity.
  4. Latin is the source of almost all European traditions, from the Roman Empire, to Christendom, and into the Enlightenment. It was also the language of great orators and is still used in law, medicine, and especially the Church. The Romance languages are all based on it, and almost all European peoples speak a language that evokes the legacy of Rome and/or the Church.
  5. Unlike Esperanto or another artificial language, Latin would imbue the European Union with a “strength, vigor, the will to power,” making it more than a cartel of squabbling states. It would give the EU an idea. Latin may be a dead language, but it’s alive in the hearts of Europeans.

Mr. Ramanadane says there are other reasons why it should be Latin but he can’t think of any more. I can.

Latin would not crush regional or national languages. It might help resurrect marginal tongues such as Gaelic or Breton. A “high” language of the bureaucracy and a shared culture would eliminate the need to learn “foreign” languages. “Foreign” languages are just an acquired skill, not part of you. Latin wouldn’t replace national languages, but would give Europeans a way to be part of a common family. In the Medieval period, educated men across the West could communicate easily with each other in Latin, even as decentralized aristocrats or burghers governed small regions and cities with local identities.

Latin would also be a barrier against Americanization. The American government poisons European culture. American military protection also lets the Europeans dodge responsibility for their own defense. It gelds them. Barriers between America and Europe would make the Continent stronger. It would force Europe to build institutions like a pan-European army. Almost anything that cuts off Washington is good for whites.

Latin would put European unification on the right track. Today, the European Union is a soulless, globalist behemoth, seemingly designed to destroy nations via mass immigration. Most of us supported Brexit and the “nationalist” movements that defy Brussels.

European Parliament President David Sassoli delivers a speech at an event marking the International Women’s Day, in Brussels, Belgium. (Credit Image: © European Union / Xinhua via ZUMA Press)
European Parliament President David Sassoli delivers a speech at an event marking the International Women’s Day, in Brussels, Belgium. (Credit Image: © European Union / Xinhua via ZUMA Press)

However, our greatest triumphs came when Europeans acted together. The national rivalries between Germany and France, the British effort over centuries to keep the Continent divided, and the destruction of the monarchies and traditional European institutions caused by fratricidal and futile conflicts must never be repeated. Our race will not survive another brothers’ war. Whites worldwide share a common destiny.

My problem with the European Union isn’t that it’s too big or too centralized, but that it is an anti-European Union. German Chancellor Angela Merkel, invited practically the entire Third World to the Continent just a few years ago. Turkey’s Interior Minister openly mocked the EU’s inability to deal with this self-imposed crisis. When statesmen tried to guard their nations from disaster, the EU threatened to punish them. The EU has tried to sanction Hungary and Poland, though both have, so far, held firm.

Today, the European Union is a bureaucracy whose buildings look like overgrown Apple stores. It seems almost determined to flee Europe’s past. The EU, and Europe generally, lacks an imperium, a principle of authority that directs people to set high goals and accomplish great deeds.

The EU tried to meet the COVID-19 pandemic as a bloc through vaccine autonomy. It failed. European nations including Hungary and Slovakia sought Russian vaccines. Post-Brexit Britain has been much more successful with its vaccination program than the bumbling Europeans

A weak, divided Europe cannot stand up to the United States. America is pressuring Germany to cancel a pipeline deal that would deliver Russian natural gas. The Cold War is over and there is no reason Europe should be hostage to Washington’s anti-Russian vendetta. There’s no reason for both Germany and Russia to suffer because the Potomac Regime seems to want another Cold War.

I think economic, geopolitical, and administrative needs will drive European unification. The British exit didn’t weaken the EU; it may have strengthened it. It’s yet another irony of history that the English fascist leader Sir Oswald Mosley, whose postwar motto was “Europe a Nation,” may posthumously see his goal achieved, but without England.

All of Western history since the fifth century has essentially been an attempt to recreate the Empire. Countless kings, emperors, and soldiers from Charlemagne to Napoleon and even pan-European divisions that died on the Eastern Front fought for this. Even though ancient Germanic tribes kept their freedom from Rome, later German kings would call themselves Holy Roman Emperors and the Second Reich was led by “Caesars” (Kaisers). Building a sacred empire has long been the goal of Western man.

Signs at Wallsend Metro station are in English and Latin, as a tribute to Wallsend’s role as one of the outposts of the Roman Empire, as the eastern end of Hadrian’s Wall at Segedunum. (Credit Image: Chris McKenna/Thryduulf via Wikimedia)
Signs at Wallsend Metro station are in English and Latin, as a tribute to Wallsend’s role as one of the outposts of the Roman Empire, as the eastern end of Hadrian’s Wall at Segedunum. (Credit Image: Chris McKenna/Thryduulf via Wikimedia)

There’s a reason our foes want to destroy or abolish the classics. In our most distant ancestors, we see who we really are. We understand that we have a proud identity and history. To learn about your past is a revolutionary act, as the late Jonathon Bowden said, and Latin is the path to our greatest traditions.

Who counts as “us” in this scenario? The British voted themselves out. We Americans are even further removed from the Continent and are fighting to keep the United States as an outpost of Western Civilization. I’ve suggested that a revitalized monarchy and closer ties built on shared culture and language could preserve the Anglosphere, but I doubt it will happen. America is falling into a masochistic cult. The American Experiment has failed, and we need Europe as an impregnable fortress for our civilization.

The indigenous peoples of Europe – the white race – have a moral right to their ancient homeland and must remain a supermajority there forever. They must summon the will to reclaim it. Reviving Latin would be a first step towards an impossible dream, just as the Zionists realized their dream in Israel. We children of the European diaspora also need a strong Europe, free from “American” bullying.

I don’t think most of those who want Latin to be the European language see the issue in racial terms. However, history has its own momentum. European nationalists don’t want their countries to be overwhelmed by the Third World. European-Americans don’t want that either, but we lack power. Our opponents attack us because of our race, and we must meet this challenge on racial as well as cultural terms. European nationalists in France, Holland, and Germany have more in common with each other than they do with their Muslim co-citizens. I live an ocean away, but I share a worldview with a European nationalist, not an “American” who can’t wait to tear down George Washington’s statue and replace it with George Floyd’s.

Perhaps a strong leader will save America from the top down, but a renewed, racially and culturally conscious Europe is more likely. Something akin to the Roman Empire – something that never really died within our collective soul – might emerge. Europe would have modern technology, a moral code of honor and greatness, hierarchy, and independence. To reverse Churchill’s famous phrase, the Old World, with its rediscovered power and might, could rescue and liberate the New.

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  1. joe2.5 says:

    Amen to all that, except

    A “high” language of the bureaucracy and a shared culture would eliminate the need to learn “foreign” languages. “Foreign” languages are just an acquired skill, not part of you.

    Doesn’t make much sense, as Europe always had an highly multilingual environment. The simplest folks spoke their own dialect, their neighbors’ dialect, the regional language and could somehow even communicate in the national language; the learned and professionally mobile acquired the national language and the supranational language Latin; the upper classes were effortlessly fluent in French, sometimes also German and English. This until the Europe monster reared its head and reduced it almost everywhere to a binominal situation of national language and Artificial English, killing and other languages and forcing them to retreat to the home even if still spoken.

    Survey history, it will tell you that the imperial language is always dominant (the invader Empire’s own language, and/or one that the latter had acquired from a culturally more prestigious population, like Greek and Latin for Rome…) Just feeble edicts by powerless bureaucrats never made it. Same here: these disgraceful slaves of the US Empire cannot stop the world domination of English — until such time as we revert to Chinese or even Russian as the supranational language following our downfall.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    , @Jake
  2. Franz says:

    Latin would also be a barrier against Americanization.

    As a blocking move, fine. Might Greek be even better?

    Common Greek was once proposed as our nation language, precisely as a barrier to the Old Country, in the first two generations after 1776. As:

    A 19th century American writer and scholar Charles Astor Bristed wrote in 1855 that there was talk amongst the founding fathers, some of whom were proposing Greek be the official American language.

    https://www.pappaspost.com/the-classical-education-of-the-founding-fathers-was-greek-almost-the-official-language-of-the-united-states/

    Even though it was hooted down and failed, it might have made for a very different nation. A Hellenized America would not have been enticed into two world wars, not to mention permanent aid and defense packages. Or at least all that would have been lots harder.

    I do not berate Latin; but reading it for comprehension, as say for law or medicine, is not really onerous for professionals now. Many if not most of the Founders knew both.

    But in the minds of many of us, Greek comes first and has a fine separatist pedigree. In their best eras, the Greeks in one polis might be friendly towards the others, but they didn’t appreciate too much mixing. Likewise Greek remained the language of educated men well into Rome’s imperial era — they were like a different tribe within the Roman world, with Latin being the tongue of the subjects. Even the Gospels come to us in Greek. Every year thousands of people take one of the many New Testament Greek courses.

    Mostly, America NOW should really be striving for the stand-alone stance best represented by the Greek city states. And anyone knowing much about symbols knows “the American Eagle” (just like the Roman Eagle) is Zeus.

    Old Greece is where Europe as WE know it came from, even us Euros in the states. It wouldn’t take very long for some classical scholars and Greek MLA members to find a happy medium between koine and the current living language — a big plus by itself, I think. Greek isn’t a dead language. And many Greeks, living and dead, hate empire with a passion.

  3. I largely agree. It’s actually very important to get rid of English as world lingua franca which makes America ruler of all.

    But Latin is Western European, not European. And stay away from French, that silly language in which everything is genderized, even the definite article.

    And keep the phonetics simple. Another problem with French. Stick to the Latin alphabet, but distinguish the I with the hook (J) from the I without a hook. I.e. very, very slightly elaborate the Latin alphabet. But without the diacritics, cedilla, dieresis, acute and grave accents etc. That’s a problem with Esperanto as much as with French.

    The debate has been had before. That’s why those artificial languages exist. A subject debated for a century. Don’t go over all that again, jump to the frontline.

    I’d vote for Ido, a debugged, simplified Esperanto dating from 1907. It sticks to the Latin alphabet and the words or word roots are in each case those used in the largest number of major European languages, so it’s fairly easy to work it out even if you’ve never seen it before.

  4. I have a better idea. The world white community should come up with a new streamlined language that incorporates words from Latin, German, Slavic, Greek, Celtic, and etc. traditions.

    It will have a simplified and the most rational form of grammar. Something like Esperanto but more Eurocentric.

    Alt Right and Dissident Right elements can pioneer this and use it among their folks across the nations. So, whether you’re English, French, German, Russian, Romanian, Polish, and etc. the common language would be this language. Maybe it can be called Mercurian as Mercury was the god of speed and information. Or Atlasean as Atlas held up the sky above all.

    Latin is too related to the past. And its grammar is ridiculous.

    A truly simplified grammar would get rid of all the ‘gender’ things in European languages. Also, get rid of singular and plural verbs.

    Of course, each national folk should keep with their own language and its traditions and eccentricities. But it’d be good if there was a pan-patriotic language for all white folks, especially as global English has become totally dominated by the Jewish-run media that comes up with terms like ‘racism’, ‘homophobia’, and ‘systemic racism’.

    Which terms to use? Choose the best sounding words from the various languages.

    • Replies: @profnasty
    , @anon
  5. Ceterum censeo Unionem Europaeam esse delendam.

    I guess I can brush up on my grammar school Latin, but most of my European colleagues never learned a word of it, so again, the American has the advantage. They do speak at least three major languages, which includes English, so I doubt you’ll make your case with actual Europeans, and who has time for another generation to get up to speed?

    But the bigger point is that the European Union is a fantasy that pretends to attempt to provide some super-state balance to the US, but utterly fails to be anything more than a convenient vehicle for US to assert its hegemony over a gaggle of 27 vassal states force-fed a diet of Community pablum while being plundered in vivo of their vital essence. Without the EU, there would likely be more than a few willing to go their own way. And without the illusion of common purpose in Brussels, disastrous policies, like migrant and asylum policies or economic policies, would quickly be squelched by assertion of local national interests rather than the current approach of shared pain (of the people, not the rulers, of course).

    The last thing any European nation needs is more Europe.

  6. Anon[122] • Disclaimer says:

    Latin? What a silly suggestion!

    They should look to the future and prepare now, and select either Arabic of Swahili (or perhaps Chinese — depending on how far out they are looking).

    • LOL: Gordo
  7. meamjojo says:

    Nah. I think everybody should speak English.

    • Agree: JohnPlywood
    • Replies: @Z-man
  8. Anonymous[318] • Disclaimer says:

    As a European for whom English is not a mother tongue, I disagree. Language is neutral from an ideological and moral standpoint. It’s a tool, an instrument, it doesn’t have power by itself. The speaker or writer gives it power. And English is practically easier to use as a lingua franca than Latin or French or German for most Europeans.

    Also English is more analytical than most languages, making it easier to pick up and use as a non-native language. There’s a reason Latin is a dead language, it’s because it’s inflexible and hard to use with all its cases and tenses and declensions and so on. English is a much more modern language.

    I agree Europe should rid itself of America’s cultural influence becuase American culture has degenerated to an incredible degree in the last 50 years, but this is an institutional problem, not a linguistic one. The issue is NATO and CIA and American NGOs and Hollywood and Google and Facebook, not the English language. This is what we have to get rid of and create alternatives for.

  9. @Anonymous

    One of the funnier language-related quotes I heard was Rolf Breuer, former head of Deutsche Bank, telling a German analyst that “English is the lingua franca of Deutsche Bank.”

    • LOL: St-Germain
    • Replies: @Timothy Madden
  10. Actually you’d think the language to learn would be Ebonics. Since Africans will be overrunning the Euro-pee-on continent in the near future it helps to speak the language of the majority of the new indigenous population.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  11. Latin would put European unification on the right track. Today, the European Union is a soulless, globalist behemoth, seemingly designed to destroy nations via mass immigration. Most of us supported Brexit and the “nationalist” movements that defy Brussels.

    You’re an American, so shut the f*** up. It’s up to them. On a more pragmatic note, the 2 most widely spoken European languages are English and Spanish. The latter you don’t mention at all. As the article on EU languages states “The most widely understood language in the EU is English, which is understood by 44% of all adults, while German is the most widely used mother tongue, spoken by 18%”

    Latin is a dead language and why should European unification be a good thing. If Europe consisted of separate sovereign states, there would be much more chance that more states would take a sovereignist line.
    As ever, you will never reply, especially as it involves AR’s policy on non-mention of Jews in all this business.

  12. joe2.5 says:

    There’s a reason Latin is a dead language, it’s because it’s inflexible and hard to use with all its cases and tenses and declensions and so on

    …and that is precisely why it has been the common language of all Europe, isn’t it?

    I don’t know where you get the requirements for a “modern” language, to use your words. If these were important at all, you must choose Chinese.

  13. @Verymuchalive

    I thank Gregory Hood for this article. You’re not very much alive, I don’t think.

    Incidentally, English doesn’t have a future tense. Non-native English speakers stumble over that. If you say to me, “When I will see you I will have a beer with you”, I’ll know you’re a foreigner.

  14. I support Latin because Western Civilization is in a fight to the death with Globohomoschlomonegro that is metasizing with alarming speed!

    Cab Polish and Hungarian speak Latin. It’s important that they are included.

    • Replies: @UR2
  15. Alternatively the EU could retain its spoken languages and like Chinese communicate across language barriers using Chinese pictographs.

  16. English is not precise language. Only advantage of English is its enormous number of words, which most people are not capable to learn. I am for Latin, with some words taken from English.
    I still remember times when all doctors had to speak Latin.

  17. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    But Latin is Western European, not European. And stay away from French, that silly language in which everything is genderized, even the definite article.

    Gender is about as Indo-European a feature as there is. It survives in every IE language but English and (so I hear) Afrikaans, Armenian, and Persian. The Romance and Scandinavian languages, and Dutch, have compressed the three genders into two, but they are in no hurry to drop the concept altogether.

    If genderlessness is what you’re looking for, go with Finnish, Estonian, Hungarian, or Turkish. Or Basque, if you’re brave.

  18. The headline is from a Turkish government site: “French call to replace English with Latin as Europe’s official language.” When I read the headline, I laughed.

    I snickered. The very idea of an “official” language is a sign that your borders are drawn wrong. Languages should be customary, not official. De facto, not de jure.

    In other words, obvious to all.

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
  19. Fox says:

    That’s a great idea. I read this very self-same suggestion many years ago in a newspaper; an Italian professor suggested it as a means of using a vernacular that was in one way or another tied to the past of every European country, was, even as a dead language, highly developed, had already a teaching staff everywhere and very accomplished speakers. It would not incite national jealousies and let everyone meet on neutral ground.

  20. @Verymuchalive

    …and Spanish. The latter you don’t mention at all.

    I was thinking the same thing.

    Resurrect Latin? Just use Italian or Spanish.

    As for the article itself, Europe doesn’t need a common language in my opinion. The entire World needs a common language, but not a spoken one.

    • Agree: Verymuchalive
  21. Europe has as much chance of making Latin its language as the United States had of making Americans adopt the metric system.

    • Thanks: Emslander
    • Replies: @Montefrío
  22. Excal says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    German is another silly language with genderised vocabulary, right down to the definite articles der, die, das.

    I don’t think the invented languages will catch on. They can’t compete with languages having centuries of development and literature. Besides, language transmits power, and what power is behind Ido or Esperanto? Behind Latin stands the great Roman empire and all of its history, going back at least twenty-eight hundred years. Romantic academics may be fun at parties, but they aren’t serious competition.

    Even English only works as an international language because it has power behind it, and a good deal of that power comes from Latin literature. (It also doesn’t hurt that most people find it relatively easy to learn.) The English renaissance was only a revival of classicism; Shakespeare and his cohorts ennobled English by borrowing classical forms.

  23. The same discussion has gone on in India, the notion of reviving their ancient Sanskrit instead of using English as their national ‘link language’ … India is far more diverse in languages than even the EU

    The closest major modern language to Latin is Romanian (not Italian), with some bow as well to the local dialect of Sardinia … Romanians would have an edge

    But ‘classical Latin’ is too heavily inflected, with too many rules … the pidgin English common now in international relationships (plus airline and ship communications etc) is obviously going to serve

    There is significant scholarship, some of it right here on Unz Review – link below – saying that what we think of as ‘Latin’ was never a natural language, and its origins are in ancient Dacia / Romania and not Italy … Latin is perhaps both Eastern & Western European

    It is also increasingly held – as also noted in the below Unz article – that much of what we think of as ‘Latin literature’ – writings of Julius Caesar and so on, many of the most famous works – were actually forgeries of the later middle ages and Renaissance, when huge funds were being offered for anyone ‘finding ancient Latin writings’, when you could buy a great villa ‘finding’ one such book, when rich Italians & the Vatican sought to amplify the ‘glories of Rome’… so many were ‘found’ in that time, after being ‘lost for centuries’

    M J Harper:

    Latin is not a natural language. When written, Latin takes up approximately half the space of written Italian or written French (or written English, German or any natural European language). Since Latin appears to have come into existence in the first half of the first millennium BCE, which was the time when alphabets were first spreading through the Mediterranean basin, it seems a reasonable working hypothesis to assume that Latin was originally a shorthand

    https://www.unz.com/article/how-fake-is-roman-antiquity/

    • Replies: @International Jew
  24. black dog says:

    The way Europe is going, between “multiculturalism” and white guilt, I suggest ebonics…

  25. tyrone says:

    A revived Roman empire……..I give it seven years.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  26. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    You’ve obviously never heard of auxiliary verbs.

    • LOL: Ann Nonny Mouse
  27. What a silly suggestion. Latin was always a crap language. Only the Roman elite used it, and even they thought it embarrassing, preferring to write in Greek. Once the Roman state fell, so did this language.

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
  28. Wielgus says:

    Why not German?
    Latin’s grammar would be problematic – even in the Middle Ages, many who used Latin lacked real mastery of it and introduced elements of their own spoken languages into their Latin, so that it is often possible to tell that the first language of a monastic scribe was some version of French, German, Middle English etc. because of the type of Latin they wrote in.

    • Replies: @A123
    , @Inquiring Mind
  29. Trajan says:

    Semper ubi sub ubi!

    • Replies: @turtlesallthewaydown
  30. bob sykes says:

    The eastern limits of the Roman Empire were the Danube and Rhine Rivers. The Germans, Poles and other denizens of Mitteleuropa might have become Catholic, but their languages are not descendants of Latin. Nevertheless, it’s an idea worth pursuing.

    But if the official rulers learn to speak Latin, how long before the ruled do so, too?

  31. GeeBee says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    French, that silly language in which everything is genderized, even the definite article

    French has only four examples of the definite article: le, la, les and l’ (masculine, feminine, plural and before a vowel). Italian has no fewer than seven, as not only does it distinguish between masculine and feminine in the singular, but (unlike French) also in the plural. Thus, in French, you have, for the boy, the girl, the boys, the girls just three articles: le garçon, la fille, les garçons and les filles. In Italian that would be il ragazzo, la ragazza, i ragazzi and le ragazze. That’s four. Then, the definite article preceding either a ‘Z’, or an ‘S’ that is followed by another consonant, in the singular is ‘lo‘, as in lo studente (the student), and in the plural, ‘gli‘ as in gli studenti. That makes six. The seventh is just like the French prior to a noun beginning with a vowel (to use an apposite example, ‘l’articolo determinativo‘)

    I learned French at school (and I have lived in France for the past four years) so I speak it reasonably well, but I mastered Italian when I was already in my fifties, with no prior tuition, as my wife is half Italian and we spend a lot of time there I’m glad to say! A difficult language for an English-speaker to learn, but my passion for the language made it a labour of love.

  32. @brabantian

    Only a Romanian nationalist could think that, of the living languages, Romanian is the closest to Latin. Let’s see…

    Latin Spanish Romanian
    amo amo iubesc
    amas amas iubești
    amat ama iubește
    amamus amamos iubim
    amatis ameis iubiți
    amant aman iubesc

    Moreover, that word iubi is, like 1/3 of all Romanian words, Slavic.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
  33. I for one would welcome an end to the international status of English. If, like Spanish and Japanese, English were overwhelmingly spoken only by native speakers, then my bank’s call center might be staffed with people whom I could actually understand.

    • Replies: @theMann
  34. Y’all need to worry less about what langauge Europe is speaking and more about the fact Europeans today are hapless, incompetent bobble heads that seem to fail at everytbing they try.

    The types of people who worry about trite superficial shit like language are the ones ruining the world. Language is nothing but a tool to communicate with others; everyone knows English now so why would you want to muddy things up and create more confusion but switching to another lingua franca? There’s no time left for that.

    This is not an exhaustive list of problems you have to solve:

    Mass immigration of low quality herds

    Sustained +40 year sub-fertility

    A demographically inverted society with old people at the top

    Increasing poverty, cost of living, currency devaluation/inflation, inflated property values, etc

    Faltering tech economies

    Declining intelligence/attractiveness

    ——

    And to think, you people are devoting your precious time to fuss about what language you are speaking.

    • Thanks: GMC
    • Replies: @Three of Swords
    , @GMC
  35. A123 says:
    @Wielgus

    The German language has a severe and growing problem with vocabulary: (1)

    The classic longest German word is Donaudampfschiffahrtsgesellschaftskapitän, clocking in with 42 letters. In English, it becomes four words: “Danube steamship company captain.” However, it’s not the only super long word in the German language and, technically, it’s not even the longest.

    Donaudampfschiffahrtselektrizitäten
    hauptbetriebswerkbauunterbeamtengesellschaft

    (one word, no hyphen) (die, 79 letters, 80 with the new German spelling that adds one more ‘f’ in …dampfschifffahrts…) Even the definition is a mouthful: “association of subordinate officials of the head office management of the Danube steamboat electrical services” (the name of a pre-war club in Vienna). This word is not really useful; it’s more of a desperate attempt to lengthen the word above.

    Even if you could convince people that it is mechanically acceptable. Selecting German would make Berlin more powerful. That is enough to guarantee that the Visegrad Four would mount heavy resistance.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.thoughtco.com/longest-german-word-in-the-world-4061494

    • Replies: @Tsigantes
    , @cohen
  36. Juvenalis says:

    Especially with Britain out, Latin is now ancestral mother language to the majority of EU members, and would have the benefit of limiting the malign influence of German domination over the EU. Fitting as the original European Community was created by the Treaty of Rome signed in 1957 atop the Capitoline Hill (where the Temple of Jupiter Optimus Maximus once stood; also whence Thomas Jefferson got the name Capitol Hill he insisted be used instead of “Congress Hill”). The signatories were Italy, France, Belgium, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, and West Germany. Four of the original six signatories having at least one Romance official language spoken, signing the Treaty of Rome in Latin’s ancient home city; later to be joined by Spain, Portugal, Romania. A Romance bloc could be strong against Merkel. Greece is part of the Græco-Roman heritage, not that Greeks need a reason to unite against German domination.

    (Nobody speaks Ancient Greek. Modern Greek is not the same thing, also obviously unreasonable and unworkable, being only one language of one small country unrelated to any other major language, and is the only language in Europe to use the unique Greek alphabet. Almost every EU country uses the Latin alphabet. Greeks would be more offended at some official artificial ‘Greek’ standard using ‘reconstructed’ Erasmian pronunciation taught as standard in NW Euro/American universities, whereas Modern Greek sounds more like a Romance language.)

    West Germany was majority-Roman Catholic (the almost exclusively-Protestant Germans concentrated in East Germany); in 1957 every Roman Catholic church on earth was still offering every daily Mass in Latin, giving Latin a deep historical connection to any other strongly Catholic-identified nation too from Ireland to Poland. (On St. Paddy’s Day, remember the Catholic Irish fought the English Prods to replace English church services with Latin, not Gaelic!)

    Ecclesiastical Latin as already maintained as a modern spoken language by the Vatican with new terms should be the standard, pronounced ‘more Romano’, (‘in the Roman manner’), i.e. pretty much like modern Italian, not the modern academic ‘reconstructed Classical’ pronunciation.

    Like Italian (and very unlike, say, French), Latin is pretty close to phonemically-phonetically perfect. There’s pretty much only one way to spell a sound and only one way to pronounce a letter/group of letters. Very much like Spanish or Greek. Structurally even comparable to languages as distant as Finnish with strict simple orthography pronounced as written, one-to-one phone to phoneme match.

    French is among the least phonemically consistent, one reason spoken French is more difficult than other Romance languages is, like English, there can be a dozen different ways one particular French word or sound might be spelled, not always (or even often) logical, just arbitrary phonemic data you have to memorize about each word. Add in the complications from unique French nasalization, all the silent letters, the silent letters that are suddenly pronounced when in liaison next to another word, the lack of any sort of phonemic stress accent (compare the other extreme Spanish where accent is always marked if not on the penult in a word ending in a vowel/-n/-s or final syllable otherwise. Latin, like Italian, follows predictable rules for syllable accent).

    Germans got Kaiser from Caesar, and remember even to the east among the Slavs they got the title of Czar from Caesar. Later, Imperial Russian Czars replaced that officially with the title of ‘Imperator‘ borrowed directly from Latin.

    • Replies: @Antidrastikos
  37. Graham says:

    A more obvious and appropriate suggestion is that Europe should use a revised and modernised version of the old Indo-European language. The work has already been done, and here it is: https://academiaprisca.org/en/indoeuropean/.

  38. @JohnPlywood

    Agreed. You have my vote.

    • Thanks: JohnPlywood
  39. unwoke says:

    “… a renewed, racially and culturally conscious Europe is more likely. Something akin to the Roman Empire – something that never really died within our collective soul – might emerge.”

    oh, great – we can start throwing Christians to the lions, again! But all the gladiators will have to take a knee for BLM before they go. And the white nati0nalist plebs can wrestle bears to the catcalls of the woke patricians. Think what the broadcast rights to that could be worth. Even more than the Prem!

  40. @joe2.5

    The obvious choices for most Americans looking forward are Spanish (for daily life in a majority of cities and soon a majority of states) and Mandarin (primarily for business, medicine, sciences, but also for commercial and residential real estate and banking and other services in the LA/OC and SF areas).

    For Europeans, two of these three, if possible: Mandarin, English, and Russian, in that order.

    • Agree: Emslander
    • Replies: @joe2.5
  41. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    You are right that the formulation you used “when I will see you” is wrong and is a dead giveaway that the speaker is not a native.

    But of course the English language has a future tense.

    • Replies: @Ann Nonny Mouse
    , @AndrewR
  42. Wielgus says:
    @International Jew

    During the Balkan Wars Trotsky sat in on a Romanian socialist meeting in Bucharest. (For the most part he spoke to people there in French, widely known by educated Romanians.) He noted a lot of Slavic words among the Romance ones in the Romanian speeches he heard, like rasboi meaning “war”. (In modern Russian razboy means “robbery”.)

  43. Charles says:

    The late Larry King: “That’s what makes English the world’s toughest language.”

    Norm Macdonald: “Is it the toughest? To me it’s the easiest.”

  44. “Why Europe Should Speak Latin”

    It shouldn’t. It should speak ‘pig latin’.

    Far more appropriate, especially for the EU elites…….

  45. Anonymous[410] • Disclaimer says:
    @Franz

    A lot of mistakes in the comments.

    Doctors and lawyers don’t “read” Latin. They recognize and mispronounce some phrases.

    French was once the lingua franca of Europe and the language of the Russian Court.

    Greek was not confined to the educated, it was the lingua franca of the Roman Empire.

    • Replies: @Franz
    , @Peter Akuleyev
  46. I remember hearing when I was a kid that the Roman Catholic mass was spoken in latin in order to ‘confuse the devil’, as he and daemons apparently have a terrible time with its complexity, being evil and therefor stupid. (It certainly wasn’t to impress and over-awe the common parishioners into thinking they were witnessing something very special, very divine. Of course not.)

    Assuming there is a kernel of truth in the above, and that the devil and his closest minions cannot decipher latin, I would suggest Europe and the rest of the world immediately adopt latin in all things, just to keep Uncle Sam and Israel confused and out of the loop…….

    • Agree: GomezAdddams
    • Replies: @Jake
    , @thotmonger
    , @Emslander
  47. Fox says:

    The EU was originally constituted as the Montanunion, then became the European Economic Union and finally the European Union. Its official languages were French, German and English. That seems to be the same in 2021. However, German has always been put in the backseat and with the current Merkel policy has been practically declared obsolete.
    Considering that Germany has financed the monster from the very beginning, or rather, was forced to finance it as the economic motor of Europe, and that German has the most native speakers in Europe, German ought to have an official function. French, on the other hand, has been traditionally favored due to the French pushiness and bluster and the manufactured image as a victim of German enmity.
    Yet, France has shown no bounds towards common sense after the First War with its vindictive drive to dominate Europe and to drive Germany into ruination, eventually triggering unrest, the Great Depression, hyper-inflation. A great account of this is given by the former Italian Prime Minister Francesco Nitti who wrote several books (e.g. The Wreck of Europe) about the position of Europe after the First World War, a catastrophic position, principally due to the lack of reason of France, or rather its leadership.

    However, Europe has to find common ground in economic matters and it has to find common ground in matters of a presentation of a common will.

    A second language that should be acceptable to all and learned as a common accomplishment of all peoples in Europe would therefore be a unifying principle. Latin would be a good choice. The suggestion of Graham (comment 38) to revive an Indo-European idiom, or rather recreate it, would be less practical than Latin. Latin has continuously expanded its vocabulary to be able to live in the modern world with all is novelties. An artificial or re-awakened language would be much harder to make fit the requirements of the current world. Such attempts have been made before and without much success. Esperanto, Ido, Novial, Walpüs, and there exist likely more such idioms, have not been able to move beyond a marginal existence and this will likely remain that way.

  48. Franz says:
    @Anonymous

    A lot of mistakes in the comments.

    No-o-o-o-… This is a style mismatch.

    I understate; you overstate.

    Worked at a college bookstore longtime back. Pre-med/pre-legals snapped up lots of copies of “Latin for Comprehension” and sold many;

    French was the language of diplomacy and much else. Many courts used it as the only common language they had; Russia needed more diplomatic help and their court reflected the fact;

    Imperial Roman writers often complained about the “Vulgate” by which they meant Latin. Commanders may have communicated in Greek; the salt-eaters used the Vulgate.

    There were complaints when Virgil wrote his epic in Latin, not Greek. Maybe, like the old Americans who wanted “other than English” to weaken the ties to England, he was also a linguistic patriot who was tired of paying homage to what was by then what a recent US president called a shithole. So his heroic proto-Romans explicitly came from the side the Greeks beat. Virgil was a clever man.

    Either way Greek would work. How many refugees would pass a border test in Koine, do you suppose? After a couple busy generations, we’d be civilized — worth the extra effort.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  49. @Franz

    No, Latin is the natural and best choice. The Greeks are perhaps the most impressive people to have ever existed, while the Romans were really nothing special, but ultimately we (especially continental Western Europe) are descended from Rome, not Greece. Yes, by all means we should honor the Greeks for their greatness, but our history begins with Rome. Western Europe is born out of the disintegration/failure of Rome, and the long-time unity of the Latin church.

    But the ‘good European man’ should see his project straight: It is not about recapturing the glory of Rome, it is about redeeming the failure of Rome. In hindsight, Rome’s destiny was to conquer all Europe, or at least the Western Portion of it, and make it into a unified Latin speaking civilizational state. A White’s man’s China, to put it plainly. I’m certainly not the first to point this out, but looking back, it is somewhat incomprehensible that Germany was never made into a Roman province.

    I myself am ambivalent toward such a project. For one I live in the Anglosphere, and we are a separate sphere of the race—especially those of us in North America. And besides that, my own preference for us here is for a smaller, purified, self-selected ethnostate. And if, as I believe, the only basis of Rome’s significance owes to the merits of the later Europeans who emerged from its wreckage, well, then maybe it is best to leave the Roman ruins as they lie. On the other hand, the failure of Rome is in a way a point in favor of a kind of Roman revisionist project. And I can see how it would be attractive to a Western European with radical racialist ambitions—to go back to the beginning and set things right.

  50. @Anonymous

    Great idea, but the obstacles to implementation are too high. Too many in the business, intellectual and political classes have invested far too much time learning English and they are now committed to it. There is a lot of social status associated with speaking English well, whether you are in Poland, France or Greece, and no one voluntarily gives away status.

    Unfortunately the UK leaving the EU has just strengthened the case for English as a neutral language inside the EU. Just as English continues to dominate as the obvious neutral choice in multiethnic states like India or Nigeria, despite it being the language of the hated colonizers.

    Maybe we are on a path to where Arabic will be the obvious common people’s lingua franca, but in a few decades the Middle Eastern immigrants will no doubt be drowned in a sea of Black African immigrants so I doubt it.

  51. Anon[712] • Disclaimer says:

    “Post-Brexit Britain has been much more successful with its vaccination program than the bumbling Europeans”

    While there is a lot of sense in making the operating language of the EU a modern form of Latin, saying that the non-British despots that misrule present day Britain have done a better job than the bumbling bureaucrats who run the EU, is like saying the Department of Motor Vehicles is run better than the Department of Education. They’re both bloated with staff, they’re both run by incompetent clowns but the management styles are different. Both are bad, but at least the EU mismanagement is done mostly by native Europeans.

  52. @RadicalCenter

    So, translate that sentence into English for me. Do that in the future. You’ll be too late to do it at this moment. And note that that “translate” is not a future or conditional version of the verb. Neither is that “Do”. Please give me the future-tense versions of both verbs, or show how the future tense appears in both. I seem to need help.

  53. anon[371] • Disclaimer says:

    Just say no! In the end it is not Latin, or any other cultural relic that will alter the world for those who hate its current direction. It is the will to say no and make it stick. This is something that I have yet to see happen to any real extent in Europe or America. Weapons, including intellectual and cultural weapons, require the will to use them. Without will weapons are of no use.

    Why is there cultural disintegration and the rise of new ideologies which the people who have not held power detest? It is because none of these people were willing to fight for power. To defend or establish any point of view a willingness to fight for and seize power is necessary. The people who are crying now are the people who abdicated their responsibility to look out for their own interests decades ago. It is not one’s enemies but one’s response to these enemies that really counts.

    • Replies: @thotmonger
  54. @Trajan

    I see you learned Latin in sixth grade.

    • Replies: @Ryan Andrews
  55. Jake says:
    @joe2.5

    Europe once had a very high, and broad, level of multilingualism precisely because Latin was THE language of Church and the Liturgy, which made it easy for even near illiterates to pick up an ability to understand and speak other languages, especially those within the Italo-Celtic family (French, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, Provencal, Romansh, Catalan, Gaelic, Cymric, Breton, etc)

    Gregory Hood is correct that Latin is necessary for European cultures to get off their knees and begin to thrive again. And that cannot come to fruition unless the Traditional Latin Mass becomes the standard Liturgy.

    English is the language of Anglo-Zionism; English is the international language adopted by Jews as they set aside Yiddish (German) as the Jewish international language.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  56. Jake says:
    @Mustapha Mond

    The Devil mastered Latin as easily as English.

    Latin is THE language of Western Christendom just as Arabic is the language of Islam, and just as Hebrew and first Yiddish and then English are the languages of Jews.

    • Thanks: St-Germain
    • Replies: @TheIdiot
  57. @Jake

    Back when Latin was the church language across much of Europe — including fairly recently — I doubt that the broad mass of regular people in Europe was learning other languages.

    Of our ancestors in Europe or the UK 150 or 250 years ago, how many could speak or understand a language other than their own?

    • Replies: @Jake
  58. Svevlad says:

    Do that and say bye-bye to the Orthodox world. We simply never used Latin much.

    Though, I am a big proponent of splitting the EU into the Latinate “West EU” and Slavic “East EU”

    The alternative is the complete and utter rejection of the current form of Western Civilization by the westerners, the accompanying conversion to Orthodoxy, and a return to something closer resembling the original European and Roman civilization as embodied by the Byzantines, and now Russians.

    One intriguing solution would be some extremely complex conlang that’s basically a mixture of Ithkuil and Lojban. Basically European Mandarin. Extremely elitist by nature. Would keep the midwits and idiots out of discourse.

    • Replies: @Jake
    , @alfa
  59. Fox says:
    @Verymuchalive

    I think that Alexandros’ veiled suggestion of Greek (ancient Greek) as a common European language is also great. Greek has probably more depth than Latin, otherwise, why would the Greeks have had so many profound ideas well before anyone else? It is the language which encapsulated thinkable ideas and broadens itself and gains in depth by exercising the intellect with the required discipline, of course and avoiding childish tendencies. The latter is seen just now with teasing out “racism” from the most common platitudes and getting applause from today’s wash-ups at universities and similar opinion manufacturers.
    However, since Greek was not used continuously, vocabulary would probably be a big problem.
    Greek would have the advantage of equally weighing West and East, while Latin relates practically only to the Western part of the continent.
    Both languages would have a positive effect by weeding out the career politician riffraff, not very intelligent but clever, too lazy to go beyond agitating for their own fixed ideas about how they can have an easy life financed and waited on by the plebs all the while they play “elite”. Learning either Greek or Latin would pose as a formidable hurdle for the mental capabilities for many of that riffraff.

    • Replies: @Agathoklis
  60. @My SIMPLE Pseudonymic Handle

    You’re close but no cigar, the BBC has been on it for a while:
    https://www.bbc.com/pidgin

  61. anon[373] • Disclaimer says:

    Wise idea.

    Latin should become official language
    for DC, lying media, pundits, “think” tanks.

    Requiring Latin would keep their mouths shut.
    And minds emptier than usual.

    Also:

    Eric Zemmour – an Algerian Jew of Berber origin

    Yid/Ashkanazi/Khazar and Berber not Jew

  62. Anonymous[345] • Disclaimer says:
    @Franz

    French was the language of diplomacy and much else. Many courts used it as the only common language they had; Russia needed more diplomatic help and their court reflected the fact;

    Imperial Roman writers often complained about the “Vulgate” by which they meant Latin. Commanders may have communicated in Greek; the salt-eaters used the Vulgate.

    Sounds like you don’t understand what a “court” is in this context.

    “Vulgate”? No, no one complained about the “Vulgate” because it wasn’t even a thing until the 4th century AD and Greek was the lingua france of the empire as far away as the Jews in Palestine. Learn it, know it, live it.

  63. Tsigantes says:
    @Franz

    A big thank you, Franz, from Lesbos!
    I read this article with an eyebrow raising higher with each succeeding paragraph – ending in a belly laugh.

    Evidently the author doesn’t know much about Europe (or history or culture or religion). He obviously thinks Greece is not in Europe. (Maybe he has not heard of Greece?) He clearly doesn’t know that the Greeks named Europe – since he’s talking about language.

    And he seems totally unaware that “white” is an American obsession, without much resonance here, since Europe never had cotton plantations worked by African slaves.
    Europe has quite different tensions and divisions – in some ways more severe – submerged but bubbling away under the EU fiction and NATO occupation fact.

    • Thanks: Franz
  64. Tsigantes says:
    @A123

    Selecting German would make Berlin more powerful. That is enough to guarantee that the Visegrad Four would mount heavy resistance.

    Not just the Visigrad 4 but also the PIIGS, the Balkans, the Mediterranean countries, the rest of eastern Europe…….not to mention – most resistant of all! – the French and English. That should say something about Germany the nation state (as opposed to the people).

    Most Europeans are fluent in 2 languages, many in 3, and all but the English have a functional smattering of the rest….enough to be polite, order in restaurants, ask directions etc. The [Roman]ce language grouping French-Italian-Spanish and written Portuguese / spoken Brazilian are inter-transparent to natives and foreigners alike.

    Learning English, until well into the 1950s, was extremely rare. Before that learning English was 90% a business necessity for those working in and around British Empire undertakings such as shipping, the Suez, naval suppliers, importers etc. It was still rare in Spain and Portugal until the 1990s, when their governments instituted english language learning from kindergarten up. Those born before that date speak French as their second language, and this applies across most of Europe even when post-war English language take-up started earlier, usually in the 1970s. From my experience the balance only started to tip in English’s favour in the mid 1980s, starting with the young.

    The fall-back language in all of Europe until recently, and still everyone’s 2nd choice, is French. I’ve travelled and worked all over Europe and still today most commonly communicate in French with people over 50. And although French has ceased being the language of diplomacy, if anything it has gained in prestige among Europeans as the emblematic language of our lost culture and civilisation, a language of the heart so to speak…. an attribute that English never had. NOT because English is not a magnificent language, which it is, but because Great Britain – like the United States today – is not part of continental Europe and historically, in most cases, has been inimical to our various national interests. Despite the good people in England who voted for Brexit (with a majority of Europeans cheering them on) this remains the case more than ever today for the British state.

    • Replies: @Derer
    , @Auch Gast
  65. Dumbo says: • Website

    I like the idea of Latin. But, I think French is better. It used to be not so long ago the official continental language, at least among the upper classes. So I don’t see why this can’t come back.
    German doesn’t sound as nice as French, and is harder to master.
    Since it’s unlikely that France will survive for long as a unified white country, perhaps their beautiful language at least could survive.

  66. Miroslav says:

    If Europeans want a new language for the future then they should revise history. Before 1066 the English spoke Anglo-Saxon but nobody knows much about that. Then they spoke French for about 400 years when the masses were told “behold your language”. This was when George Orwells 1984 originally began, depriving the English of their Anglo- Saxon language. Take away their language and you take away their defiance.How many know the meaning of Stary Law for example?The languages of all Europeans have similarly been taken away. Before 1000 years the German language did not exist. I read it was invented by catholic monks who based it on Basque and Slavic. It was Martin Luther , a monk, who perfected it.Linguists invented the Indo- European theory of languages but still haven’t decided who spoke that language. Similarly Latin was invented. It came from Etruscan or Et Rus Can who were genocided by the Romans. But you are not supposed to talk about that. Even though there are many Latin inscriptions, very few, if any,spoke Latin. They spoke Vulgar Latin.However I believe that most Romans somehow continued to speak Etruscan and they have continued to speak Etruscan in Northern Italy until recently. European history has been completely falsified by the Papacy and others. Europeans certainly are in big trouble.

  67. joe2.5 says:
    @RadicalCenter

    If cohabitation were a criteria for a barbarian population, Spanish would have been the absolutely ubiquitous second language in the US, more even than German for the Swiss. The history of language movements shows that the likelihood of anything to change the habits of English speakers before the loss of Empire has been digested for perhaps a couple generations is practically nil.

    • Replies: @Fox
  68. Fox says:
    @joe2.5

    The reason for German being spoken in the Northern part of Switzerland is not any kind of co-habitation of different people with German becoming dominant, rather, the Swiss Germans are Germans who split off the German Empire in the middle ages, as immortalized in Wilhelm Tell. The Swiss-Germans are Alemanns and closely related to the Swabians and Alsatians. The German dialects spoken there are quite similar.

    • Replies: @joe2.5
  69. Have any new words been coined in Latin since the fall of the Roman Empire? If not, there’s an awful lot of catching up to do.

    • Replies: @MarkU
    , @Bardon Kaldian
  70. MarkU says:
    @Henry's Cat

    Absolutely right, half the words in the new Latin would have to be filched from another language anyway.

    • Replies: @Fox
  71. Fox says:
    @MarkU

    I read several years ago -I don’t remember where- that new Latin vocabulary is being created continuously so that words for laptop, round-bottom flask, transistor, wrist watch, printing press, mine thrower, sowing machine, naturalism, etc. likely exist in Latin.
    Use and need would quickly make this a common practice.

  72. Anon[333] • Disclaimer says:

    Latin wouldn’t replace national languages, but would give Europeans a way to be part of a common family

    It would replace English, essentially.
    However, the case can be made that the EU should adopt Greek as its official language. It has advantages over Latin, and it’s connextion to various national languages isn’t weaker than Latin’s.

  73. fnn says:

    Eric Zemmour

    I’m trying to imagine a white Gentile who looked like that growing up in the Anglosphere in the 1960s and 1970s. He’d probably be driven to suicide. Just an observation, not passing judgment on either Zemmour or the Anglosphere.

  74. Seraphim says:

    Why not Romanian? It is a language closely related to all “Romance’ languages, easier to learn by Latinophones and is a living language.

  75. joe2.5 says:
    @Fox

    Do read before you shoot.
    I was, very obviously, referring to the fact that most non-German-speaking Swiss do know German (or most non-French-speaking Belgians do know French, and so on) as a term of comparison against most Americans being totally ignorant of any Spanish.

    • Replies: @Fox
    , @joe2.5
    , @RadicalCenter
  76. This article is hilarious. Hood is a master of satire.

  77. Derer says:

    I am for German, which country speaks Latin? In no time Spanish will be US second official language and therefore unsuitable for Europe.

  78. All the west will be “speaking” pidgin within the next 30 years. It’s all about the inexorable descent into a universal population of IQ 80 slaves.

  79. Derer says:
    @Tsigantes

    Little you know that in many post-war Central European countries German was taught in schools.

  80. @anon

    Meaning they may not speak Latin, but they sure do it.
    i.e. Volvo = I roll.

  81. Whitewolf says:
    @Anon

    Latin? What a silly suggestion!

    They should look to the future and prepare now, and select either Arabic of Swahili (or perhaps Chinese — depending on how far out they are looking).

    Russian would be more helpful. They seem to be the only serious country in Europe.

  82. @Mustapha Mond

    Icelandic might make more sense than Latin as there would be more tutors available. Or Swedish; it is similar to German, but easier to learn… Whatever the choice, integrity and a sincere commitment towards common ground will prove more important than a common language. Europa must avoid yet another civil war.

    Nil magnum nisi bonum

    p.s. Mestigoit takes Black Robe for a demon and the book confirms his suspicions. Who can blame him?

  83. Alfred says:

    I wonder whether Gregory Hood ever studied Latin?

    I studied Latin for 2 years as a kid at school in England. In order to enter an English Public School (i.e. private) as a 14 year old, it was obligatory to pass a very simple Latin exam. Latin was a part of the “Common Entrance” exam for these elitist schools.

    Frankly, I think Latin is far too difficult for most kids these days. People have been dumbed down a lot over the past 60 years – dysgenics. Few young French or Germans know their own languages properly. As for the British, they are a lost cause.

    • Agree: Schuetze
    • Replies: @GMC
    , @Refl
  84. What I’d like to see is special self-sufficient areas where Classical Latin and Ancient Greek are compulsory and used every day. (Of course they speak Latin a bit at the Vatican, but it’s not a normal country).

    The Latin area could be a few villages in Sardinia (where the local language is closest of all modern languages to Latin). The Ancient Greek area could be some island in Greece. Only people with good language knowledge would be let in. If Israel can revive Hebrew, then the same can be done with Latin and Ancient Greek.

  85. GMC says:
    @JohnPlywood

    Another thing we have to look at is – We speak english in the Air. Pilots, no matter what country they are from have to speak English good enough to navigate the international airports. I actually went over , with a Russian friend { X Ru. military pilot } the english in his class for entering a large International airport. And his class was studying Heathrow and they have a British accent so I’m not sure how changing languages would help much in this department.

    • Replies: @TruthRevolution.net
  86. Schuetze says:

    The EU is a Talmudic monstrosity, and there is no reason for European “leaders” to speak some kind of elite language. Otherwise, why not just make the official EU language Hebrew, since all these leaders are merely vassals to their Ashkenazi overlords.

    Seeing as how France played such an important role in placing the EU yoke over all Europeans, the French should man up and do a Frexit, but of course they will not, they far too much enjoy playing the judaic homo boy toy. Just look at Macron.

    Of course Zato also needs to be abolished, and there the biggest problem is the Belgians, Ductch, Danes, Poles and Norwegians who simply love fellating their warmongering Ashkenazi owners.

    But the biggest target of all should be the ECB. The Euro was the biggest mistake Europe ever made, and now the sado-dominatrix Lagarde is busy whipping all the cucked European banks into subservience.

    The only Latin Europe needs is to go back to the original Euro, the Latin Monetary Union, a gold/silver coin exchange standard. The Latin Monetary Union was in effect during the zenith of European culture, growth and economic prowess.

    “The Latin Monetary Union (LMU) was a 19th-century system that unified several European currencies into a single currency that could be used in all the member states, at a time when most national currencies were still made out of gold and silver. It was established in 1865 and disbanded in 1927. Many countries minted coins according to the LMU standard even though they did not formally accede to the LMU treaty.”

    • Replies: @Schuetze
  87. Phil4Phil says:

    The French needn’t have a hissy fit about English. There is little pride to be taken in English being the premier lingua franca in the world.

    I’ve taught English as a second language for many years and can tell you that what non-native-speakers use is a stripped-down version of English, its skeleton. This English is easy to learn and serves the user perfectly for conversation, business, and travel. Little English is necessary if you want to call a screwdriver manufacturer in any country and say, “I would like you to send me 4000 units of your TR-13 model.” But try saying that in Latin.

    Native English is an ocean compared to the pond a non-native speaks. I had to laugh when watching “Homeland,” and the American heroine pleads with the Afghani vice-president to “walk back his statement” about the Taliban. The phrase “walk back” would draw a blank stare from 99 percent of non-native speakers; it should mean “return,” and nothing else. But the dashing Afghanis and Pakistanis presented on “Homeland” use this and many other phrases with a facility that would make my students of English drool with envy.

    English-as-a-second-language English is the dirty, sludgy oil of a car that keeps it running without friction. Nothing to be proud of, but a small contribution to global understanding.

  88. @GMC

    This whole discussion is to spite the Brits.

    Every half educated person knows English
    Maybe Spanish

    Spending a few years to learn a complex elitist language, for what? we have more pressing problems!!

    And then, finally, no normal person will understand the European elite.

    The only advantage is that most of the retarded people in the EU leadership will be eliminated, for lack or education and brain power.

    Spanish, of course, is the future language of the USA, of all of South America, and of Spain.

    The long term solution would be Chinese

    If not Ethiopian, or Arab.

    The idea about Latin is funny, cute, but not very practical.

    • Agree: GMC
  89. Dumbo says: • Website

    Latin?? At the rate things are going, Europe will be speaking Ebonigs soon.

    It be cool and sheeeit, gnome sayin!!

    • LOL: Schuetze
    • Replies: @Marckus
  90. If so, a LOT of work will need to go into Latin after centuries of effective dormancy that has left it stagnant and not adapted to the current state of affairs. I’m not a fan of perverting languages like is underway in German and English, but German is actually a good example of the problems of a language not being evolved once it falls into dormancy. Rather than developing its own framework for talking about new and emergent things, Germans have simply resorted to adopting foreign words, usually American ones, which leaves the language in this state of pollution where you can hardly listen to or read anything where there aren’t American words used, let along American sentence structures. The weirdest part of course being that while Germans who adopt American words and phrases think they are “cool” and worldly, it just sounds like gibberish and is a clear symptom of a dying language to anyone with any objective sense.

    The problem with all of these notions is that no matter how you look at it, all but local national self determination leads to nothing but eradication of European cultures. The use of Latin as lingua franca will only contribute to that if all European people are forced into Latin as their primary language.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  91. GMC says:
    @Alfred

    For a minute there Alfred I thought you were putting up the Cyrillic alphabet – lol That would have been interesting. In comparance tho, Latin doesn’t look that bad. Spacibo

  92. Refl says:
    @Alfred

    I think that english a very good choice is. When I english texts read that regular IQ-Germans written have, then I allways with the eyes roll.

    Latin has passed away as a cultivated language. Meanwhile, English in having become the language of the world, will be violated by millions of people around the world on a daily basis forever more.

  93. Jake says:
    @RadicalCenter

    Large numbers, actually.

    For example, with something not totally alien to you (I hope), Shakespeare’s hometown Stratford-upon-Avon as late as the mid-1500s had a fairly large minority of people fluent enough in Welsh to do business with Welsh speakers.

    You think from the framework of the world post 1700, when Crowns, and religious politics, had already started murdering large numbers of small languages that for centuries had lived among languages with many more speakers. In 1500, if you lived in southwestern England, odds were very good that knew more than a few people who could speak at least some Welsh or Cornish or both, and the religiously devout tended to be more than conversant with Church Latin.

    So what killed that in southwestern England? The Reformation and its politics, which standardized English and forced on everyone as THE one and only language that was not suspect to the Crown and the Church of England.

    The same patterns were found all over Western Europe.

  94. augusto says:

    Well, that s the same reasoning the rest of the world should quit, abandon, shoot aside the English language.
    Because it does nt unite anyone of us to a humane, stable, peaceful and hospitality bound culture.
    It is the idiom of the blind self centered, the ruthless masters, the impudent concquerors of all other naive people since the last 550 years
    The tool of the pirates and the marauding buckaneers for 300 years. Who left the task for even worse
    piracy disciples.
    And LATIN language has kept on the same way the tool of the elites, Ecclesiastical and elite nobilities for almost nine (09) centuries.
    Now those 500 western years are over. And quite similarly “we” think that the “barbarians “, mostly Mandarin speakers are forcing the borders of the Empire.
    And will rapidly and inevitably blow them up.w While still the western old acquaintance , privileged communication tool will linger on – not that long as Latin did – but at most for less than nine (09) decades.
    History does not repeat itself.

  95. Jake says:
    @Svevlad

    I don’t think you know as much about the Eastern Roman Empire and Orthodox peoples before 1453 as you assume.

    Not only was the eastern Roman Empire always the ROMAN Empire (and not Greek empire), but Latin was the official language of the Eastern Roman Empire and was used for law until its destruction. The tie of Latin to the Eastern Roman Empire was so thorough that both Arabic and Turkic Moslems used the word Roman as a synonym for Christian and also often used Latin the same way: He is a Latin meant ‘he is a Christian, and religiously and culturally he is not Turkic/Arabic.’

    To both Turks and Moslems, Roman and Latin equalled Christian and European.

    Well after the fall of the Western Roman Empire to Germanic barbarians, Divine Liturgy in the Eastern Roman Empire in areas that were not Greek in vernacular tended to have Latin liturgy. Latin and Greek from no later than the 2nd century AD had been seen as the two main, and unifying, languages of orthodox, catholic liturgy. The use of vernaculars across the East came to be only with Emperors in Constantinople acting to make Slavs and other recent converts happy.

    • Agree: Bardon Kaldian
    • Replies: @Agathoklis
  96. Z-man says:
    @meamjojo

    Da!
    Even Jewified English. (Grin)

  97. Agreed, but grammatically simplified Latin.

    Just add that fundamental works of science & philosophy had been written in Latin after Rome disappeared: Newton, Spinoza, Gauss, Luther, Aquinas, Euler, …

  98. Latin is too cumbersome with its grammatical gender, its declension of nouns and adjectives and its conjugation of verbs. Besides, it does not have words for our modern concepts, so those would have to be artificially created.

    English has all the advantages we need. It is a living first language for some 400 million people and a second language for some 1,1 billion. I see no reason to expect that it will ever be replaced as a world language by any other language. Not Spanish, not Russian and not Chinese.

    English is basically a Germanic language with a simplified grammar (compare for example with German), but 50% of its vocabulary is of Latin origin, either directly or indirectly (via French). All its “learned” words come from Latin. Without the complicated grammar of Latin it combines the best of the Germanic and the best of the Romance languages.

    As such it is symbolic of the new Europe that emerged after the fall of the Roman Empire, and that was a combination of Germanic and Latin elements. Like it or not, but it was this Germanic-Latin Western Europe that created the modern world.

    Whatever economic success China may achieve, its parochial culture and language will never acquire enough prestige to dislodge English as the international language.

  99. “Yes, Latin should be the official language of the European Union.”

    I wholeheartedly agree with the notion. Heck, I’ve heard other people say that they should have an unifying language as well, e.g. Mandarin in China to Sanskrit in India. Europe has about thirty or so languages that either emanated from Latin or are closely related to it just like Indian languages are mostly from Sanskrit, a sister of Latin.

    Of course, Europe has four outliers, viz. Basque, Estonian, Finnish and Hungarian but so does India and China and that oughtn’t present a very big problem.

    Lastly, to stop the exploitation of people by some outsiders (who speak a unifying language, e.g. Hebrew or Arabic), it’s paramount to accept the reincarnation of Latin to save the White Christian culture!

  100. @Frank frank

    ? Latin was put into dormancy at the beginning of the 19th C, not earlier. And then, most European languages coin new terms still after Latin models (computer, monitoring,…); also, Latin has inherent grammatical structure that enables it to develop & quickly cover all aspects of human communication.

    Weakness of Latin is that it is too grammatically complicated & should be simplified to a degree. Other than that, it has numerous advantages: phonemic orthography, logical grammar, rich & complex vocabulary, very clear & easy pronunciation etc.

    • Replies: @Emslander
  101. @Henry's Cat

    Most Latin words have been coined after the fall of Rome. That’s why no wonder supreme works from the 400s to the early 1800s had been written in Latin, authored by Thomas Aquinas, Luther, Spinoza, Descartes, Newton, Euler, Hugo Grotius, Copernicus, Linnaeus, both Bacons, William Harvey, Swedenborg, Leibniz, Huygens, Gauss, …

  102. @Jake

    What nonsense!!

    Latin was only used officially until Heraclius in the (575-631 AD) and even centuries before that many proclamations were in Greek in the East. Please read Fergus Miller’s Roman Greek Empire about the language that was used by the authorities in the East. Also, Greek was not used for law after Justinian; hence, why the Ecloga, Farmer’s Law, Sea’s Law, Prochiron, The Epanagoge, The Eisagoge, The Basilika, The Synopsis (Basilicorum) and The Hexabiblos were all written in Greek because jurists only understood Greek.

    The Turks referred to the Eastern Romans as Rum and they still refer to the remnant Greek community in Turkey as Rum. They clearly differentiated them from Latins.

    The liturgy in non-Greek speaking areas in the East was in native languages and that was why we have a vast corpus of Syriac, Coptic, Armenian Christian writings

    • Replies: @Blade
  103. @Fox

    Greek has always been spoken and written (using different script very early on) continuously going back to at least late Mycenaean times.

  104. Marckus says:
    @Dumbo

    Eh heh Bro. Yu is rite bout dat !

  105. BorisMay says:

    If Europe really was Europe rather than the bastard nonentity that it actually is everyone might have a point. But Europe, or the EU, is not Europe at all.

    Geographical Europe by definition is everything west of the Bosporus and the Ural Mountains. Thus we must include European Turkey and Russia, while excluding Scandinavia.

    Consequently the only true lingua franca of the European continent proper, is Russian.

    Latin and Greek are such silly ideas and English, especially the rubbish version spoken by US citizens and their Jewish friends, is quite ridiculous.

    If you wish to be pedantic about it the Europeans should speak ancient Frisian as delineated in the 4,250 year old Oera Linda, which is the oldest indigenous language recorded in modern form available today.

    Secretly, Russian would be best since Cyrillic would be enough to confuse both the Jews (who rule the west) and US citizens (whose puerile culture poisons Europe).

  106. Armoric says:

    “Most of us supported Brexit and the “nationalist” movements that defy Brussels.”

    In 2005, the EU’s “Constitutional Treaty” was rejected by referendum in France. I thought a good reason to reject it was that it included a so-called “Charter of Fundamental Rights” that was mostly concerned with the rights of immigrants to come and replace us. The referendum rejection was simply ignored by the EU people.

    “My problem with the European Union isn’t that it’s too big or too centralized, but that it is an anti-European Union.”

    Their top priority is the race replacement program. Everything they do in the name of “anti-racism” and “human rights” is really anti-White. This is especially true of the EU’s “Fundamental Rights Agency”, a.k.a. the FRA. For example, the FRA has issued a training manual for police trainers. It is meant to help police training schools to teach anti-racism.

    The FRA manual basically agrees with Barbara Lerner Spectre and her idea that it is important to bring about change in the name of diversity, equality and non-discrimination.

    Then, on page 138 of the manual, police schools are given a list of various means that can be used to that effect.

    First, the say that “the need for change can be difficult to understand, in particular if people fear negative consequences of change”.

    Then, they explain how to go about it:

    • TO BRING ABOUT CHANGE, WE HAVE
    – laws, including human rights law,
    – court cases,
    – lobby groups,
    – committed citizens
    – and, in the extreme, UPRISINGS, RIOTS AND DEATHS.

    The FRA explicitly says so: Police schools should teach policemen that murderous riots are okay as a method to impose diversity! It sounds like an endorsement of the Black Lives Matter movement.

    https://fra.europa.eu/sites/default/files/fra_uploads/fra-2019-fundamental-rights-based-police-training-re-edition_en.pdf

    • Replies: @blaqua
    , @AndrewR
    , @Alden
  107. @Reg Cæsar

    At one time all nobility and educated class of Europe including Russia were speaking French.
    So all we have to do it again, this time with Latin.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  108. @Juvenalis

    French is among the least phonemically consistent, one reason spoken French is more difficult than other Romance languages is, like English, there can be a dozen different ways one particular French word or sound might be spelled, not always (or even often) logical, just arbitrary phonemic data you have to memorize about each word. Add in the complications from unique French nasalization […]

    French is orders of magnitude more phonemically consistent than English, in fact much closer to German, Spanish, Italian, etc. in this respect; English is in a class of its own, orthographically speaking.

    Nasalisation? Try Iberian Portuguese.

  109. noname27 says: • Website

    Latin as the universal language of Europe? Don’t go full retard!

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  110. blaqua says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Latin is Latin, Roman. The notion of “West Europe” didn’t exist in the antiquity, the time when Latin was a lingua franca. It’s a neologism.

    In other European languages the articles are genderized, e.g. German (der, das, die), Greek (both ancient and modern), Romance languages (Italian, Spanish etc.), even Slavic ones like Bulgarian.

    From a phonetic point of view, French is definitely one of the hardest languages in the world, not just Europe, but the same could be said about English.

    • Replies: @theMann
  111. I don’t see the logic in this article at all. Don’t most of us hail from people who were conquered and enslaved by Rome? I get the Latin speaking Roman Catholic Church made lovely Cathedrals and helped educated the European population. They also saddled us with the Torah in the Bible, and their little Crusades helped to ultimately destroy the the Byzantine Empire. Revival of Europe should be be about learning of ancient pasts, which should include learning about Paganism and the mystery schools. Something neither the vibrant or the kosher have any part of. If we learn the past, your Rome and Latin will be a part of it. From the speaking Latin, who knows? I for one kind of hope not. Want to de Americanize everyone, turn off the TV, switch to classical music, and stop going to the movies. As an American, I advice Americans to do the same along with reading old books.

  112. The problem with Latin is that it is the dead language.
    It means that its writers would superimpose the respective patterns of their mother languages on their Latin. This is why medieval Latin is so hard to read: it is actually a set of creolized versions of Latin.

    BTW, Modern Hebrew is not the biblical Hebrew. It is Yiddish purified of its Slavic and Germanic lexical components.

  113. blaqua says:
    @Armoric

    In the name of the so-called diversity and the ‘political correctness’ plight, the feminazis and all kinds of other liberals nourish, harbor and boost the ‘white guilt’ and ‘black / brown innocence’.

  114. profnasty says:
    @Priss Factor

    Our American language is being actively and deliberately changed by Jewish Oligarchs.
    I recently saw a headline of 200 new words in some or other online dictionary. The words were mostly anti-White. ‘Red pill’- notably provided by a disgusting cross dresser. As opposed to a successfully cute cross dresser. ‘Supposably’. C’mon, get real. America isn’t just dieing. The ‘man’ behind the curtain killed it.

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
  115. JNDillard says:

    We are all going to be learning Chinese soon enough. Commerce inevitably trumps politics and nationalism because people gotta eat. Keep all the national languages, to be sure, but just as English has been the lingua Franca for the last 100 years, get ready for Mandarin. The BRI is bringing it to all continents and almost all nations.

  116. Emslander says:
    @Mustapha Mond

    Exorcisms are done in Latin because the devil DOES understand Latin and understands its precision. Someone once told me that it’s good to know Latin because it is the language spoken in heaven. It’s good to pray in Latin, because its meanings aren’t corrupted by liberal prejudices. The attempt to create Vernacular translations of Latin for various worship contexts has been a disaster of impiety and imprecision.

    It will never again be an active language, however. Maybe for signs and certain necessary phrases, like “where’s the bathroom” or “how much does that cost”, but languages can’t be imposed. Even English shows a lot of corruption these days. I have a lot of trouble understanding TV shows made in GB, illustrating the natural tendency of language to evolve differently in separated communities.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  117. @noname27

    “…Latin as the universal language of Europe? Don’t go full retard…”

    I don’t know how to translate that into Latin. Perhaps: noli plene retardare.

    • Replies: @noname27
  118. theMann says:
    @International Jew

    Wouldn’t that be great. I know a lot of Texans, whose Spanish is at least decent, opt for the Spanish option when dealing with call centers. They get comprehensible Spanish instead of gibberish pretending to be English.

    Spanish is almost as useful as English when traveling abroad. I was surprised in Europe that Spanish was generally spoken, whereas French just isn’t much outside of France.

    In any case, we should make Klingon our national language, for obvious reasons.

    • LOL: Zarathustra
    • Replies: @Zarathustra
  119. The fundamental importance of Latin is obvious: that Latin could have a future is exciting. Gregory Hood has advanced cogent arguments to which I need add nothing. Those who want to learn to speak Latin will find the website http://www.latinum.org.uk helpful. But may I just put in a word for Esperanto. Everything that is wrong with Latin is right with Esperanto. It is logical, easy to learn, and extremely flexible. Esperanto vocabulary comes almost entirely from Latin and the two languages can be regarded as two registers of a single language. One can expect Latin to replace English as the lingua franca of an educated elite, as the language of scholarship, university education, and government administration. One cannot expect everyone to learn Latin. It is, however, quite realistic to imagine every man, woman, and child in Europe speaking Esperanto a year from today.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  120. Emslander says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Weakness of Latin is that it is too grammatically complicated & should be simplified to a degree.

    It’s not any more complicated than English or Arabic. Latin puts much grammatical significance into the endings of each word. The grammar of English is in verb declensions and the position of words within the sentence. Most of the time, the individual words stay the same, except for plurals. To move easily between languages you have to get a feel for the logic of language. Then you examine how each language represents that logic.

    Americans are hopeless in this regard when they reach adulthood and so we assume that other languages are impossibly difficult.

  121. @Franz

    It appears you mean classical Greek rather than demotic. In any case, the deal-breaker would likely be the need to learn another alphabet as well as the spoken language. It’s ironic that Latin was until recently (the ’60s) the language of the Roman Catholic Church, the lingua franca of the Faith and of Europe, though said church has now all but abandoned it in the liturgy and increasingly in general. Ironic as well because if it’s to make a comeback, it will be one promoted by secularists. How many would trouble to learn it? One would like to think that more than would be expected.

    • Replies: @Franz
  122. theMann says:
    @blaqua

    Yea, French is easy to read, but surprisingly difficult to speak. English even more so, was there ever a language with so many sharp regional accents? The big difference with English is that native speakers are very tolerant of bad English, other language speakers, not so much. The French have a rep for kind of being Dicks about pronunciation, but they aren’t that bad, if you are polite and you try. Try bad Vietnamese, Korean, or Chinese some time – they will not help you at all, and, since they very rarely encounter a non-native speaker, may not understand you at all.

    BTW, neither Latin nor Russian have Articles in their languages, one less thing to learn.

    • Replies: @blaqua
  123. @Auntie Analogue

    With great regret, I’d have to agree.

    • LOL: Zarathustra
  124. @Another Polish Perspective

    “…BTW, Modern Hebrew is not the biblical Hebrew. It is Yiddish purified of its Slavic and Germanic lexical components…”

    As far as I know, it is basicallly Biblical Hebrew, but of course it had to adopt foreign words for modern concepts, not found in the Bible, and then adapt them to its own phonetics.

    Here are some examples:

    Televiziah, psichologiah, tragediah, theoriah, historiah.

    Yiddish is basically medieval Rhine German, with some Hebrew, Aramaic and Slavic words added. If you know German, you can understand Yiddish to a great extent.

  125. blaqua says:
    @theMann

    French speakers (to a lesser extent those of southern France) are so obsessed with euphony (whatever this subjective notion means) and efforts to sound euphonic that in the end of the day they convolute and harm the language itself: very frequent occurrence of the liaison rule and of the sound “e” in various forms (e.g. open and close rounded “e”), nasal vowels hard to pronounce when they occur very close together like in ‘enfant’ or ‘un instant’, phonetic exceptions that make no sense and contribute to increasing the difficulty of conveying one’s message, e.g. the plural of ‘œufs’. English pronunciation has its own pesky phonetic peculiarities, but English native speakers are less dicks than French about pronunciation by foreigners.

    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
  126. @Another Polish Perspective

    The problem with Latin is that it is the dead language.

    No, that’s its biggest advantage. No one is offended & there is no difference between “native speakers” & others.

    Although, I think there is no need for universal spoken language in politics, sports, sciences, social communication …. Just make better translators & develop a still non-existent language-to- language translation technology.

    Bigger advances in AI- no need for some globally spoken language or languages.

    • Disagree: RadicalCenter
  127. Another Tower of Babel history lesson unlearned?
    “They do their best to destroy Christian institutions, they invaded and began to destroy the Catholic Church with Vatican II, they have invaded every single Protestant denomination, I mean even the Southern Baptists, who I would have sworn 20 years ago could not be penetrated by these lunatics, has been. Russell Moore and the people at the head of the Southern Baptist Conference are absolutely globalists, and so you know, when you look at this, you can see very clearly that this is ultimately not merely a political clash, it is a religious war, not only is it a religious war, it is THE religious war.” – Vox Day.
    Read it all and watch video if you wish – https://crushlimbraw.blogspot.com/2018/07/vox-popoli-darkstream-trump-putin-and.html?m=0 – very simply, Western Civilization rests on 3 pillars, Graeco-Roman legacy, European nations and most of all – Christianity! If you disagree – you can argue with Vox Day.
    My bottom line lesson learned is simple – NeoBabel won’t work any better than the original!

  128. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Nonetheless, you understand what he is saying.
    I am constantly amazed by how badly English can be spoken and still understood. Possibly because it began (as some think) as a pidgin trade language between Danes and Saxons. No inflections, no genders, simple verbs — what’s not to like? The only idiocies are spelling and pronunciation (probably because it’s such a theft language, stealing words from everywhere.)
    As to genders — why on earth should a window be feminine in French, masculine in German and neuter in Russian? Just absurd. Why do you need different cases with prepositions? Let the preposition give the meaning, as it does in English.
    Latin, on the other hand — how many declensions and conjugations are there?

  129. @Wielgus

    Tom Lehrer suggested that a certain German expatriate was learning Chinese because the Chinese are going to take over?

    Either that or the language of the country that has its hand on their natural gas spigot. Given that Europe, or at least certain parts of Europe, is separating itself from the US and is cheering an anti-fracking US president, Russian is the obvious choice.

  130. @The Alarmist

    A piece of Machiavellian advice:

    If you want to advance some great evil in the world, be certain to do it in English. Then if you get caught, you can always claim that you meant something else.

    • Replies: @Bubba
  131. @blaqua

    I once asked about this, and I believe the English word is elide for what the French call liaison.

    English speakers are mistakenly told that Spanish is phonetic whereas French has the goofy pronunciation rules, but when the Mexican dialect of Spanish is spoken fluently, rapidly, and idiomatically, they must be eliding like crazy as well.

    • Replies: @blaqua
  132. AndrewR says:
    @RadicalCenter

    The example she gave was of the future subjunctive tense. Portuguese, for example, makes use of it. Castillian used to but the tense is archaic now.

  133. AndrewR says:
    @Verymuchalive

    Frankly I don’t think it would be a bad idea to have all Europeans learn basic French, Spanish, German, English and Russian. Of course, there are only so many hours in a day, but I can think of worse subjects to study.

  134. anonymous[251] • Disclaimer says:

    I like this idea.

    Just don’t make the same mistake of teaching Latin to every POC human on planet earth or to this certain J people.

    We’re not going to save our endangered species of White Indo European people by getting the billions from Afghanistan, Pakistan, Turkmenistan, Algeria, Diariaeria and that stubborn tribe that insists there can be no borders anywhere but Israel – not going to save our people by making the entire world speak Latin anymore than the British Empire tried to make everybody speak English and maybe convert to some more pro British, pro European form of Christianity.

    Nope.

    If the Spanish Inquisition couldn’t make that J people turn Christian and stop hating on us, stop enslaving us with Usury, stop pimping our pretty girls to the ugliest Black and Muslim buyers – religious conversions of hostile aliens don’t work.

    J Ryan
    Left Behind in Chicago

  135. anonymous[251] • Disclaimer says:
    @Emslander

    Emslander says:

    “It will never again be an active language, however. Maybe for signs and certain necessary phrases, like “where’s the bathroom” or “how much does that cost”, but languages can’t be imposed. ”

    I respond:

    Well, the Israeli Jews revived Hebrew – us reviving Latin is just a form of White Zionism.

  136. @Edmund Atheling

    Esperanto is not a good solution. Much of its vocabulary is indeed immediately recognizable if you know Latin or a Romance language or English, but it has some strange rules to form words. For example the female counterpart of a masculine concept is formed by substituting -ino for its ending in -o. Thus “father” is patro, but “mother” is patrino; “son” is filo, but “daughter” is filino. Opposites are formed by adding mal- to the beginning of a word. Thus “good” is bono, but “bad” is malbono; “long” is longa, but “short” is mallonga. The definite article is la even for masculine concepts, which goes against the natural feeling of any speaker of a Romance language. These things make Esperanto kind of ridiculous. Besides, Esperanto also has a lot of words derived from Slavic languages, which makes it less useful for West Europeans.

    If you still prefer Latin, but don’t like its grammar, then Latino sine flexione is a good candidate for you (of course already its name sins against its principle, because “flexione” is in the ablative). If you know Latin or a Romance language, a text in Latino sine flexione can be immediately understood. Here is for example the Lords Prayer:

    …Nostro patre, qui es in caelos,
    que tuo nomine fi sanctificato;
    que tuo regno adveni;
    que tuo voluntate es facto
    sicut in caelo et in terra.
    Da hodie ad nos nostro pane quotidiano,
    et remitte ad nos nostro debitos,
    sicut et nos remitte ad nostro debitores.
    Et non induce nos in tentatione,
    sed libera nos ab malo.
    Amen…”

    <

    • Replies: @Edmund Atheling
  137. I don’t think learning Latin is the solution. Movement should go in the other direction. We whites in North America and in the Anglosphere should learn Anglo Saxon. Then maybe we could get enough time and space to mount an effective resistance to the Washington entity.
    Look at ETA, for example, the group seeking Basque independence. They are needlessly violent and I don’t say that it would be a good idea to copy their methods, but as a group, as a political entity, my guess is that they have a crucial advantage. They can’t be penetrated and manipulated by agent provocateurs. Who could do it and not be found out? There are probably no non-native speakers of Basque , and for native speakers, it would be easy to figure out where they come from.
    We, on the other hand, we English speakers in N. America, are vulnerable to penetration and disruption. We can’t get the latitude that we have to have to come together, to sort ourselves out, to find effective leaders and to work together for a common purpose. Too easy is it for the FBI/CIA types to penetrate us, to disrupt us, to false-flag us, to sic the MSM on us before we have time to coagulate.

  138. AndrewR says:
    @Armoric

    Well it is true that unlawful violence has effected change in many places and times. But of course that is a multi-edged sword. The 1920s through 1940s in Germany shows us an example of how unlawful violence can be “bad for the Jews,” which is why they need to be careful in legitimizing unlawful violence that they think serves their agenda.

  139. English should be the language of the world and German the language of the cognitive elite.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  140. One should keep it in mind that language acquisition ability is not correlated with intelligence. Leonardo da Vinci and Einstein were basically mono-lingual (Einstein learned some English after living for more than 20 years in the US). And, of course, there is a huge difference between knowing a smattering of a language & being proficient in variety of its functional styles.

    Plus for Latin is that no one speaks is as a mother tongue. It was a wise decision for India to adopt English as lingua communis, because Hindi, a language spoken by ca. 25% of its population, could not be imposed on the Bengali, Tamil, …. speakers- while English was equally alien to all.

    Having in mind that most people simply cannot learn another fully developed human language, there are basically two solutions:

    1. genetic engineering, which would enable human brain to develop an ability to learn effortlessly, say, 5-10 human languages. Not very likely at this time.

    2. AI development: a portable microphone-translator that would translate any spoken language to language X, which would then- I mean sounds of that language, integrated into words & sentences- be re-translated to a language understandable to an interlocutor.

    As for culture- forget one universal language. Modern peoples are fully nationally aware & will have never discarded their own national languages for anything other.

  141. cohen says:
    @A123

    Hello 123 with “PEACE”. Only what it means for Israelis and not Helpless Palistinains
    I noticed Now you are becoing an expert on languages. Stay in your areas of expertise what ever that may be but language is not one of them.
    Please and more please answer my old questions about Talmud teachings and the one about your hero Elie Weisel missing tattoo. How did he manage to erase it. And the number he claimed belonged to an other prisoner. “WHERE IS THE BEEF”? I will keep asking this and other embarrassing (for you) questions in a hope that some day you would have decency to admit all your “PEACE” LOGO as fake a fake or go into hiding again.


    • Replies: @the grand wazoo
  142. anon[170] • Disclaimer says:

    I agree that Europe needs a lingua franca other than English to deter AngloZio cultural invasion.

    French seems like a good candidate as it is not only the most beautiful language on earth, but the French are the most staunchly and unapologetically nationalist and anti-Anglo throughout history. The French language also heavily distinguishes between feminine and masculine version of many words, which would frustrate the hell out of the LGBTQ advocates.

    German is also a good candidate as it is the anti-Zio language, even if modern day Germans have become too weak and liberal. Adopting German would help alleviate German people of their WWII guilt. It’s time to end that guilt.

    Latin is also a good candidate but which version of Latin? Classical Latin as taught in many American universities but no one today speaks, or Christian Latin as has been carried through two millennia by the Catholic church? Either way, Latin is at the root of at least 50% of English words and probably just as much for French, even more for Italian. Latin is also a phonetic language like Italian, as such it is easy to learn. It is a very efficient language, and will take Europeans back to their roots.

    It’s time for Europe to forge its own identity. The English speaking world has become a multicultural empire of Zio-globohomo. We are corrupting the whole world by virtue of English as the lingua franca of the world thanks to America’s economic and military dominance. Language is key to establishing cultural identity. Europe needs to offer the world an alternative to English. Chinese is too difficult and too foreign for most European language speakers. I’m good with either French, German or Latin.

  143. Anonymous[162] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    “There’s a reason Latin is a dead language, it’s because it’s inflexible and hard to use with all its cases and tenses and declensions and so on.”
    I agree with you on the basic issue about the suitability of Latin, but the flexibility of Latin at least in regard to word order is something that would facilitate its adoption as a universal language. . . whereas word order in English is largely inflexible.

  144. blaqua says:
    @Inquiring Mind

    It is called ‘liaison’ in English too.
    https://www.ahdictionary.com/word/search.html?q=liaison
    https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/liaison
    Merriam-Webster gives as an English example the New England pronunciation of ‘far off’, by contrast to ‘far cry’.

  145. Franz says:
    @Montefrío

    In any case, the deal-breaker would likely be the need to learn another alphabet as well as the spoken language.

    I thought of that; I think it would be a plus.

    Years ago, Peter Brimelow noted that when immigration was wide open a century ago most new arrivals were either from the British Isles or the European nations, specifically Eastern and Southern Europe. Brimelow noted a fact that seemed counterintuitive but then makes perfect sense when you think it through (as he did).

    The new arrivals most likely to leave were the Brits. Brimelow says this is because their native tongue was spoken here. Same only different. The difference put some of them off. On the other hand an Italian or a Hungarian would not notice, busy acquiring a new tongue. The larger the commitment an immigrant makes the more likely he will stick with it.

    It makes sense. The other reason is that I actually did participate in a New Testament Greek course and noted that once the alphabet was out of the way it was smooth sailing. Common Greek is a wonderfully flexible language. We had elders in the class who found it irritating that they didn’t get the basics when they were kids, as even wilderness kids got in the 19th century.

    If the US divides up by region, which seems to be the endgame of the current disorders, it would be good if some areas took up Latin, some Greek. We’d find out who is really committed. The outlands would end up with a Spanish/Nigerian/Hindi patois and maybe even Swahili in some parts.

    The original post was a bit of a mind game anyway. But it does raise the fact that all borders aren’t walls or fences. The best are linguistic and cultural. And it’s fun to speculate on.

  146. Hacienda says:

    For anyone who is seriously entertaining this idea, I have a wake up call for you.

    Look in the mirror and say this out loud five times.

    “I am part of the lunatic fringe.”

    • LOL: Alden
    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  147. anon[170] • Disclaimer says:

    This article in the American Conservative gives me hope. Small liberal arts colleges are making a comeback by offering the Great Books curriculum with its conservative bent shunned by many elite universities(except Columbia, Chicago and Stanford). A new group of charter schools are gaining popularity in TX and AZ that uses the Classical curriculum called Trivium, which includes teaching of Latin. Latin remains very popular among homeschooling families in the US, many homeschool because they do not want their children in our toxic liberal K-12 environment. It also continues to be taught in many private schools in the US.

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/how-small-colleges-can-thrive/

    Our K-college shun Latin because it is often associated with the Catholic church. Conservatives in the US should work to expand charter schools that teach the Trivium and Latin to every state, and enroll their kids in colleges that continue to teach the Great Books.

  148. @Titus Jerusalem Smasher

    Love German, but that ship has sailed. There simply won’t be enough Germans alive, just two generations from now, to constitute any meaningful part of a worldwide economic or cognitive elite.

    The dominant “common” language of the elites in medicine, science, technology, industry, and international trade may remain English for some time yet, but Mandarin As A Second Language is steadily growing among higher-income / college-educated families in the USA. Mandarin can plausibly match or surpass English as a lingua franca for these purposes, especially throughout Asia and the Russian Far East, within the lifetime of younger commenters here.

    We should expect German and Japanese to be gradually less widely used, and have less importance even in the fields where they tend to excel, as their native populations sink to half of their current numbers. All too soon, the way so many Germans and Austrians are letting their families shrink or die out.

  149. alfa says:
    @Svevlad

    Do that and say bye-bye to the Orthodox world. We simply never used Latin much.

    Who cares about the Orthodox world? It’s the most backward and boring area of Europe.

    Though, I am a big proponent of splitting the EU into the Latinate “West EU” and Slavic “East EU”

    All slavs in the EU, with the exception of Bulgaria, belong to the western latin civilisation.

    The alternative is the complete and utter rejection of the current form of Western Civilization by the westerners, the accompanying conversion to Orthodoxy, and a return to something closer resembling the original European and Roman civilization as embodied by the Byzantines, and now Russians.

    You’re clearly a russian/serbian комплексаш, id est ( :D) you’ve got a big complex of inferiority towards the more successful “West”.

    • Replies: @Svevlad
  150. @Bardon Kaldian

    Numerous peoples and languages are on a path to insignificance given those peoples’ sustained refusal to have children, especially European, Slavic, and certain East Asian languages. The remaining populations of natives in Europe, Japan, Korea, and Taiwan grow ever older and smaller.

    In other words, the share of international business conducted and professional publications issued in those Euro/Slav and Asian languages will decline (except for English and Spanish), leaving English and soon Mandarin to dominate slightly more than they do now.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  151. @Bardon Kaldian

    There’s some truth to that, but Indians have long required hundreds of million of Indians to learn Hindi as a second native language from an early age, who otherwise would not know it. It is still required in Indian government schools in most Indian states. So Hindi is at least as much the common language of India as English.

    My good friend who immigrated to Canada from Bangalore is fluent in Hindi and can easily use it to communicate with other Indians from most places in India. Her native language is Kannada, and she speaks and understands some Tamil and Telugu because of her parents’ origins. On the other hand, she is not particularly fond of northern indians or pleased with having to learn Hindi; she says that she will never speak Hindi when it can be avoided.

  152. Svevlad says:
    @alfa

    Oh if I had an inferiority complex like you want me to, I would pretend I’m not a Serb and incessantly call for their extermination, as well as for the carpet nuking of eastern europe and enslaving of the survivors

  153. Anonymous[111] • Disclaimer says:

    if humans were logic creatures, ud have a point. sadly they arent. check for reality these days. heartbreaking.

  154. AndrewR says:
    @Zarathustra

    How Russian were the “Russian” nobility? Tsar Nick, for all intents and purposes, had no Russian ancestry. His wife, Prince Philip’s great aunt, was literally 0% Russian. The slaughter of the Romanovs was wrong, but they weren’t Russian in any meaningful way (not that the Bolsheviks were either). As you state: they didn’t even speak Russian amongst each other. Russian was a foreign language they used to talk down to the peasants.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Zarathustra
  155. @Hacienda

    “…Look in the mirror and say this out loud five times.

    “I am part of the lunatic fringe.”

    Well, then at least say it in Latin: “Pars sum fimbriarum insanarum”.

  156. Fox says:
    @joe2.5

    I read your comment a few times before writing my comment and what you wrote appeared to mean that you thought that the German speaking Swiss had somehow infiltrated the Helvetic area in the same way of other examples one could give, current and of the recent past, or as the dissolution of ethnic homogeneity is managed these days the world over in settlement areas of people of the white race.

    If I mis-read your meaning, I am sorry.

  157. So, 550 million EU citizens should oblige because some lofty elite types got soft in the head on their diet of snails, mouldy cheese and overpriced burgundy? Not bloody likely. In the era when Coudenhove-Kalergi was still alive, Esperanto was the hype, and look how that ended. Nothing new here. I would like to see technical descriptions in normalization and standardization books, the likes of DIN and IEEE and BS and SAE and CEE and NEN translated in Latin. The volumes would be twice as thick. I wouldn’t stop laughing, hahahahahaha!!!

  158. UR2 says:
    @Sir Launcelot Canning

    Imagine latin as the official language, ergo, the diplomatic language. Everyone participating would have had to be disciplined enough, as well as intelligent enough to master all those declensions-

    • Agree: GomezAdddams
    • Replies: @Fox
  159. So, 550 million EU citizens should oblige because some lofty elite types got soft in the head on their diet of snails, mouldy cheese and overpriced burgundy? Not bloody likely. In the era when Coudenhove-Kalergi was still alive, Esperanto was the hype, and look how that ended. Nothing new here. I would like to see technical descriptions in normalization and standardization books, the likes of DIN and IEEE and BS and SAE and CEE and NEN translated in Latin. The volumes would be twice as thick. I wouldn’t stop laughing, hahahahahaha!!! But think of all the translation work, the replacement printing of books and all those cozy syntax committees, raking in all those new lucrative projects, all the legal adaptations and quality control measures that are implicated. Does anyone have the numbers handy on what percentage of all these trades are in Jewish hands?

    • Agree: Alfred
  160. Alden says:
    @Armoric

    Thanks so much for the information. It’s the same as has been taught in teacher training, training for government work , police training , and private business training for the last 50 years in America.

    • Replies: @Armoric
  161. @RadicalCenter

    You underestimate the power of national consciousness, while birth rate is basically insignificant in cases where you have a stable population & modern functioning mono-national societies.

    In Iceland, for instance, there is such a linguistic purism that Icelandic remains completely pure language & although virtually everyone speaks English, there is list of names that are permitted & most of others are- not. Even for universally accepted words like “computer” they have their own words- tolvu, a witch from Nordic mythology doing some otherworldly calculations, is Icelandic for computer. A small nation of a few hundred thousand people sustains itself & looks with contempt on “others”.

    As far as Slovenia, a country with 2 million people is concerned, they also have all their education in Slovene; they speak other languages, but the entire verbal culture (newspapers, books, university textbooks, TV shows, Wikipedia, ..) is in Slovene. Any immigrant- and there are few of them- must learn Slovene to integrate in the society. Not only some third-worlders, but also French, German, English.

    There, the situation is completely different form the Netherlands or from some Scandinavian countries. The language is the peoplehood and you better adopt it- or leave. And locals won’t let their national languages be swamped by a single more numerous language; they have built their identities upon stubborn refusal of historically-culturally superior “others” (Italians, Germans).

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  162. Latin as lingua franca for the EU to stop the cultural destruction of Europe by the anglo-zionist culture and to prepare the field for a European renaissance is theoretically a very good idea. Alone, Latin is difficult and its grammar is obviously too complex for general use today. Now, in the last centuries of, and after the end of the Roman Empire, Latin transformed itself progressively into a “kitchen Latin” with easier grammar, reduced vocabulary but with a wonderful melodic tone: this “kitchen Latin” was later given a new name: Italian. Italian is an easy, wonderful “singing” language that every European can easily acquire – and polish during Italian holidays. Why don’t we choose Italian as the European lingua franca? This should already have happened at the beginning of the EU, but alas, the founders were obviously not cultured enough to consider such a step.

  163. @profnasty

    Dieing no
    Dying.
    Dieing is cutting out pattern from sheet, Metal, cloth. or paper.

    • Thanks: profnasty
  164. @theMann

    Base of Esperanto is Spanish. (Probably because Spanish is the closest to Latin)

  165. @Franklin Ryckaert

    You are entirely justified in suggesting that Esperanto is ridiculous. It is an odd language, a thing in and of itself, with its own virtues – as in the strange formation of words – making it much more than a watered-down Latin, making it, in some ways, a better language than Latin … or English. Just compare:

    Patro nia, kiu estas en la ĉielo,
    sankta estu via nomo;
    venu regeco via;
    estu volo via,
    kiel en la ĉielo, tiel ankaŭ sur la tero.
    Panon nian ĉiutagan donu al ni hodiaŭ;
    kaj pardonu al ni ŝuldojn niajn.
    kiel ni ankaŭ pardonas al niaj ŝuldantoj;
    kaj ne konduku nin en tenton,
    sed liberigu nin de la malbono.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  166. Alden says:
    @AndrewR

    Czar’s families married German royalty. Russian Nobles’ families married other Russian nobles. Big difference between the Czars ethnicity and nobility’s ethnicity . All the European royals were heavily mixed with foreigners.

    At one time the Grand Dukes of Muscovy mostly married Russian Boyars daughters. But that ended centuries ago.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  167. @AndrewR

    Maybe you do not know but not only Czar family was nobility,
    Eventually all Boiars become nobility Also there were many German nobility families particularly in Ukraine. In Russian Army all commanders From including Captain and above were from Russian nobility.

  168. Armoric says:
    @Alden

    “It’s the same as has been taught (…) for the last 50 years in America”

    There’s an international network behind that ideology. The current director of the EU’s Fundamental Rights Agency also worked for the United Nations for a few years.

    – The FRA is the successor of the European Monitoring Centre on Racism and Xenophobia (EUMC).

    – The EUMC grew from the Commission on Racism and Xenophobia, also known as the Kahn Commission.

    – Jean Kahn was president of the European Jewish Congress and of the CRIF (Representative Council of French Jewish Institutions).

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  169. AndrewR says:
    @Alden

    As Его Императорское Величество would have said: c’est une distinction sans différence

  170. @Edmund Atheling

    Yes, deliver us from malbono.

    I wonder if according to that rule of forming opposites in Esperanto “Satan” is Maldio. Anyway, “Mother Godess” is Dipatrino, according to my Esperanto dictionary. A Nobel Prize for ridiculousness is apposite here.

  171. @Armoric

    With “racism” these nation destroyers mean resistance to mass immigration from outside Europe. With “xenophobia” they mean resistance to mass immigration from inside Europe. And that is exactly the means they plan to use for our destruction.

  172. @Anonymous

    Latin would not crush regional or national languages. It might help resurrect marginal tongues such as Gaelic or Breton.

    Ahhahhaaa! Is the wee man mental? What happened to Common Gaulish (including “Pictish”)?
    I’d agree that a trade calque (like modern English) is easier simply because they had to drop all that “grammar” crap, due to “multiculturalism”. Word order flexible, several tiers of reference (different, solid, words for slight nuances of meaning, stolen from whatever pirates’/sailors’ tongue that cared to turn upon the beach).
    On the other hand ..
    .. if the Isles reverted to Old English&Scots/Frisian, Romanised Celtic/Gaulish as in Cornish and Welsh, Old Norse, Old Danish, Pictish Brythonic and Old Irish, Norman-French, French-French, Flemish and even a wee bit of (Platt)Deutsch, well we’d be in a right old pickle. Innit. There’s a Reason why they binned all that special stuff.

    If it was up to me, I’d say Koine Greek (which educated Celts knew well enough, and it wouldn’t annoy the Russians, Bulgars and that as much; also all Greek is very beautiful and comprehensive), or High German (bigger reach, right over into Poland and the other less important, if somewhat more extensive Slavic lands; not too much of as a struggle for the Scandiwegians too. Overmuch grammar, mind).

    God help the Balts, and Finns. We get on right well with those lads, always have done. A treeless reef is always in dire need of decent timber. And the Dutch for the fishing, but not so calmly.
    The Magyars are going to have to pack it in, naturally.

    This would have the enormous benefit of locking out the rest of the trash of the planet from former Imperial/Colonial zones who claim to speak “English”.
    Call centres, ever tried to explain to some Philipino simpleton about your Amazon fuckup? And also “please be doing the needful sir, I demand your bank numbers, or Windows98 will crash and burn”. Oh yah rilly? My family has been speaking various forms of “English” since we dropped French, and to be honest mate, I can’t understand half of what you’re prattling on about even with maximum effort. I am naturally polite, but ..
    Try again, I don’t care how much your “English” teacher charged you, you’re utterly incomprehensible.

    • Replies: @Armoric
  173. Fox says:
    @UR2

    The Vatican’s diplomacy language is Latin. It can be done! As for the need to be sufficiently intelligent and have enough self-discipline to master and freely use Latin: Great! That’s what we need! Some defensible criterion for at least basic intelligence and capability. That might weed out a good number of numbskulls now engaged in messing everything up for people of the white race.

  174. Nobody gives a fuck about latin. Well maybe south europeans would like that since it is easy for them to learn it, but north and east europe will never start learning that worthless language.

    • Agree: Expletive Deleted
    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
  175. TheIdiot says:
    @Jake

    Hebrew was the language of Jew

    Yiddish is the language of Khazar

    English (modern) is a noise

  176. @Anon

    Decades ago the talk was: The optimists learn Russian ( as I try to do now) the pessimists learn Chinese

    • Replies: @IS
  177. Armoric says:
    @Expletive Deleted

    “There’s a Reason why they binned all that special stuff.”

    The reason small languages get destroyed is the invasion by neighboring countries and the centralization that follows. It’s the same reason why so many people end up living in a country’s capital.
    But if you are protected from invasion by the sea, like Iceland, you get to keep your own language, your ancient literature and sometimes your own media, even though the population of Iceland is less than 400 000 people.

  178. @Reg Cæsar

    That’s a fine idea ~ Euskera is the oldest European language still spoken, it is unmistakably European, yet offers no ‘favouritism’ to other languages:

    I don’t think you can beat it for creating a barrier to English.

  179. IS says:

    No way. Latin had 7 noun cases, pretty much impossible to master for speakers of the modern Romance languages. Don’t believe me? Watch Bulgarians and Macedonians learning other Slavic languages. It’s hilarious.

    Also, Ireland doesn’t “have its own language” any more. Having learned some Gaelic, I once was in a “Gaeltacht”, and tried to make an order in a pub, in that lovely, but extinct, language. You should have seen the giggles. The language Ireland has today is Hiberno-English.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    , @E_Perez
  180. IS says:
    @kampfbeobachter

    In Russia per se, at the time, the joke went: An optimist is learning English, a pessimist i learning Chinese, a realist is learning using the Kalashnikov 🙂

    • LOL: RadicalCenter
  181. Language as a unifier sounds as good as any other option. It’s obvious Christian Whites on both continents need help, and we can’t look around for it. It has to be found within. As Christianity was successfully divided 500 years ago is there any chance the church can be our rallying point? Probably not. It’s either skin color or language. Identifying as White nationalist is now called Nazism.
    While the EU bureaucrats flooded the continent with low IQ fighting age males, Russia has had to deal with the West through sanctiins and a corrupt Ukraine.
    The war against White Christians is taking place on many fronts, and we to openly identify the enemy and our counter offensive must be real. Guess what. It ain’t the immigrants.

  182. @Armoric

    Welcome back, any time you like. We know you, and I hope you remember us.
    Although a lot has changed here, I doubt you’d like it much.
    Even in Devon.

  183. anon[712] • Disclaimer says:

    At the rate things are going, the internationalists plan to have Arabic as the language of the masses in Europe with the ruling class speaking Yiddish.

  184. anon[712] • Disclaimer says:
    @Priss Factor

    “A truly simplified grammar would get rid of all the ‘gender’ things in European languages.”

    Just wait a few more years and our “betters” will have achieved that.

  185. @Bardon Kaldian

    Sorry, but vocabulary is not a probem. Syntax and phraseology are the biggest problem for students of a foreign language on their way to fluency; that are problems which are very hard to overcome without contact with native speakers, which Latin does not have anymore.

    Nevertheless, Latin is still the official language of Vatican, and they created many modern words there. But that is not enough, I am afraid. Vatican is artificial too, after all.

  186. TheIdiot says:

    I look forward to Gregory Hood publishing

    equally or more important essay titled

    Why Israel Should Speak Yiddish and Russian

  187. @Armoric

    Even so, the Inselaffen had to come to an understanding among themselves, if even to fend off even worse pirate murderers and rapists.
    Three different language families, and a dozen of alien dialects. A bit like Bronze-age Iberia, or late-neolithic Aegean.
    Got sorted, but nobody really likes it, that sort of chat, to this day. Everybody else (different insular nations) is always getting it a bit, or more than a bit, wrong.
    Apart from foreigners. Who are experts.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  188. @cohen

    Eli Weisle was proved a fraud deacdes ago but it’s very difficult to overcome the jewish machine’s domination of: government legislatures, education, media, print and digital, sympathy et

  189. wootendw says:

    Good luck with that. English is the common language for international trade and changing that will help lead the EU to poverty.

  190. @Franklin Ryckaert

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Wexler_%28linguist%29

    I think you should update yourself on the work of Paul Wexler.
    He also correctly traces Sephardim/Iberian Jews to populations of NW Africa, an old Punic domain, who gave us such eminent Carthaginians as Saint Augustine the manicheist and Saint Tertullian, actually a heratical montanist (millenarist), who completely renounced all things Greek (as a devoted Carthaginian should). I always suspect Carthaginians/Phoenicians/Canaanites of being covert partisans of the dying god and his consort (the earliest depiction of Holy Mary comes from V CE Tyre!): they apparently cannot live without their Baal and Kybele! Greeks always had a problem with the dying god, but Carthaginians – never. This Carthaginian trail is also important for Judaism if you realize that it both Sabbatai Zevi and Jacob Frank were Sephardim from the Ottoman Empire, as well as mysteries-like Hassidism, whose teachers started to take mystical names of which part “baal” used to be a part (Baal Shem Tov etc). Isn’t it strange that they have such problems with pronouncing Tetragrammaton but have no issues with Baal?! Well, maybe Tetragrammaton is not their god, simply.

    Back to the North East: The Germanic hypothesis of Yiddish has many problems, not only liguistic ones.
    First, it seems impossible that even 50 000 Jews from Western Europe coming to Poland in XIV century turned into milions in the 19th century.
    By the way, I am not sure that cities of the Western Europe at that time were so populous to generate even 50000 emmigrants, but I am trying to be charitable here

    Second, there are signs of Jewish presence in Poland already during the beginning of the Polish state, above else Hebrew inscriptions on early Polish coins.
    Those early Jewish populations allegedly spoke some proto-Yiddish, known as knaan.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knaanic_language

    But this is not something you learn in Polish schools; likewise you don’t learn that on the famous great door of the first Polish cathedral in Gniezno you have depiction of Jewish slavers, confronted by Saint Wojciech (Saint Adalbert of Prague).
    There is even theory that the name Mieszko is a form of Moses. Unlike other old Slavic names, it means nothing, it is an abstract name so to say.
    Also this name Mieszko disappears almost completely from Piast dynasty records after the king Mieszko II is killed in 1034 by the so-called ‘pagan reaction’, which is said to have been also a tax revolt.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  191. hillaire says:

    Excellent… pure comedy gold, jews and moslems imperiously demanding what language the ‘EU’ should adopt(not even a living one taking primacy), as a yank scribbler sat in the ruins of his country speculates on establishing fortress europa after his countrymen have spent a century destroying it..

    it seems many americans view the great masonic ‘experiment’ and exceptional nation as a failure….

    I put it to them that it has been a great success…..

  192. @antitermite

    Euskera is the oldest European language

    er, how about no?
    Extraordinary claims, extraordinay evidence required and all that. Probably a very late-3rd millennium BC insertion (eventually “caucasian” i.e. between the Black Sea and the Caspian) over the more general but almost synchronous (prior to Q/K/P split) sub-corded-ware “celtic” bundsprache.

    But believe what you like. Won’t stop its imminent extinction. Just like the Ghaidhilig, it’s not up to the foreigners to keep on speaking it. That’s your obligation. So why so serious?

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  193. Thim says:

    Latin is not a language. It is dead. Europe never spoke Latin anyway, though a lot of the upper class could read and write some form of it. The EU should speak Arabic. They will be the majority soon enough. The rest of Europe will speak Russian, as they do now.

  194. @Finnishguy78

    Aha! I used to go to great (shortwave) lengths to catch the Nuntii Latini on YLE.
    Take that, you bird-eating, snow-sliding, tent-dwelling savage!

  195. PolarBear says:

    France is sadly lost. You don’t want Europe to emulate France. Too many Africans speak French. Latin makes sense Historically. The Whitest ie. most European nation should lead in tongue. Then hopefully Europe would follow their finest example and halt the rapefugees.

  196. Obviously, and to recognise where REAL power resides in the EU, the lingua franca should be Hebrew.

  197. @Franz

    Don’t worry about ‘Americanisation’. A shambling, rotting, corpse will only introduce necrophilia in all its forms. Be on guard lest it bring universal death and destruction, as it lives out its thanatocratic destiny. The Shining Ossuary on the Hill.

  198. @Reg Cæsar

    The ‘three’ genders? Let’s all talk effluent Woke betwixt ourselves.

  199. @Another Polish Perspective

    “…First, it seems impossible that even 50 000 Jews from Western Europe coming to Poland in XIV century turned into milions in the 19th century…”

    If you take 25 years on average for each generation to reproduce, then 5 centuries is 20 generations. With 4 children per couple, you need only 6 generations, i.e. 150 years to reach more than 3 million people, the number of Jews in Poland before WW II.
    With 3 children per couple, you need 11 generations to reach more than 3 million. That is 275 years. But they had 500 years available and families were then far bigger than just 3 or 4 children…

    As for Yiddish not being of German descent, I am no expert, but I know that Elie Wiesel’s book Night first appeared in Yiddish and that its title was Und die Velt hot Geschvign (“And the world kept silent”), which sounds suspiciously akin to German Und die Welt hat geschwiegen

    • Thanks: RadicalCenter
  200. @Franz

    Don’t overthink it. Latin is plenty hard enough to resist Americanization. Any language other than English will do the trick. Latin has been partially fulfilling the role that OP wishes it to as recently as 1962. Residual familiarity with Catholicism will help smooth the transition in much of Europe. Latin doesn’t appear to favour any particular country, unlike Greek. And Latin’s easier than Greek.

    • Replies: @Franz
  201. If there’s one surefire way to sink this idea, it’s to promote it on the grounds that it will benefit the white race-ahhh

  202. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Latin–you have feminine masculine and neuter—verbs are at the end of sentences as is it in German. French is better than English for sure and not as difficult as Latin——-the verbs are series of 6 and in the end—Latin is a perfect but dead language but univesities years back Latin was mandatory –lecturers could come and go anywhere —-Latin was standard. Only drawback is perhaps “Life of Brian”—do NOT make an error in conjugating otherwise –20,000 lines for punishment—the Emperor’s language was best —-math aside.

  203. AndrewR says:
    @antitermite

    Euskadi is a remarkable land in many ways, but literally any other European language would be a more likely candidate to replace English.

  204. AndrewR says:
    @IS

    The Irish people may be the most contemptible people of all. They idolize their “former” colonizers (who themselves are strongly in the running for most pathetic ethnic group on Earth) beyond comprehension. Now negroids are invading and trying to BLM Éire, and no one is really opposing it.

  205. E_Perez says:
    @IS

    Latin had 7 noun cases

    No, six.

    pretty much impossible to master for speakers of the modern Romance languages.

    True, but thats not a reason to speak trivial languages, with practically no grammar at all.

    In languages without grammar, like English – no declension, no conjugation, no gender, no subjunctive mood, no nothing – you eventually can make yourself understood, but you need much more context to make clear what you are talking about.

  206. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Walking in Holland Park, London the other day I passed the headquarters of the Esperanto Society – who campaign for the world-wide adoption of their own universal language. However, I couldn’t help wondering what language they would use to shout out of the window if the building caught fire. I somehow think that “Assisti! Assisti! Propra domo est je fajr,” would not be the first phrase that sprang to their big fat hypocritical lips.

  207. Bubba says:
    @Timothy Madden

    Thanks – now that is the best answer to why are there so many lawyers in the U.S.

    • Replies: @Timothy Madden
  208. Athena says:

    1. US-NATO needs the Latin connection for integration of its 12 new military bases in Europe, in the countries ruined by Soros, to counter RUSSIA, using the International Monetary Fund- World Bank- Vatican connection. US-NATO has control on UK-owned Gibraltar now that UK has brexited. thanks to the Brexit.

    2. US-NATO also needs this lation (Vatican) connection for the colonization of LATIN AMERICA (e.g., Mercosur-EU FTAs), and for the re-colonisation of West Africa (in countries evangelized by the French missions) to counter China.

    The Dangerous Alliance of Rothschild and the Vatican of Francis
    (Excerpts)

    http://www.williamengdahl.com/englishNEO22Dec2020.php

    The new Council for Inclusive Capitalism with the Vatican of Lynn de Rothschild plan big things along with Klaus Schwab’s World Economic Forum to “reform” the world economy, i.e., the use of remote-controlled cheap and obedient labour in Latin America and Africa.

    Rothschild and pals:

    ”First off it is useful to see who are the “inclusive” capitalists joining forces with the Pope and Vatican. The founder is a lady who carries the name Lady Lynn Forester de Rothschild… The British friend of Lynn, Ghislaine Maxwell, today is awaiting trial for complicity in child sex trafficking as the partner of Jeffrey Epstein.

    Lady Lynn’s “Guardians”

    – Rajiv Shah of the Rockefeller Foundation. Darren Walker the CEO of the Ford Foundation, the head of DuPont, Merck and Johnson & Johnson. CEOs of Visa, Mastercard, Bank of America, Allianz insurance, BP, Mark Carney, former Bank of England head, and Board member of the Davos World Economic Forum. Billionaire Marc Benioff, founder of cloud computing Salesforce, and ex-Credit Suisse CEO, Tidjane Thiam from the International Business Council of the World Economic Forum, and Bank of America, which bank was sued by the US Government for fraud connected with the 2008 US subprime mortgage crisis, as well as for laundering money for the deadly Mexican drug cartels and Russian organized crime.

  209. Fox says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Yiddish does not only sound German, but even more so, it sounsds Swabian, a southern German dialect, belonging to the group of Alemannic which also includes Alsatian and Swiss-German. An interesting phenomenon. As far as I know, Yiddish is considered a German dialect.

  210. Peläez says:

    Spanish is a Romance language that originated in the Iberian Peninsula of Europe. Today, it is a global language with nearly 500 million native speakers, mainly in Spain and the Americas. It is the world’s second-most spoken native language after Mandarin Chinese,[3][4] and the world’s fourth-most spoken language overall after English, Mandarin Chinese, and Hindi.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_language

    • Replies: @Marshall Lentini
  211. @Peläez

    If I were in a position to force or influence people to adopt a language, I’d go with Spanish, for sure. And the Mexican variety, which is more masculine than Iberian. Of course, North America may actually go that way.

    Someone above said Mexican Spanish is heavily “elided” – false. They just talk fast. It’s a Latin American Spanish habit to drop s’s, but Puerto Rico is the worst in that respect. Mexican Spanish is easily one of the clearest variants, exceeded only by Colombian.

    Elision is not liaison. It’s what we call “drawling”, and there’s way more of it in American English than Mexican Spanish.

    Some idiot above said English lacks the subjunctive – funny.

    Anyway, fun idea to play with, but zero real-world feasibility. We are stuck with English, Chinese, Hindi, and Spanish. This all only goes one way: ever greater consolidation. Europeans are also utterly senescent; nothing can save them.

  212. @Franklin Ryckaert

    The population of the kingdom of Poland in 1370 (the alleged arrival of Jews from West) was 2 milions.
    Population of Poland in 1900 was around 25 milions.
    That means the rise by the factor of 12,5.
    This factor applied to 50000 results in 625000 Jews in 1900.
    Too few when compared with the reality (and many were immigrating to USA).

    Yes, late Yiddish did have many Germanism.
    But that does not explain why the early Judeo-Slavic should not influence it.
    Also, for example the old Polish had certain features, typical for German, which it later lost, for example, compound perfect tenses.
    Wexler’s thesis claims that Yiddish has preserved the archaic elements of Polish and other West Slavic languages, features these languages later lost.
    Also he claims that German also was influenced by Sorbian language, the alleged source of Yiddish.

  213. @Another Polish Perspective

    Some German words might have come from Slavic lexicon, for example,
    die Farbe ‘barwa’, das Gestalt ‘kształt’, das Land ‘ląd’, der Gast ‘gość’, die Gurke ‘ogórek’,
    die Schnee ‘śnieg’.

    Some Polish words once thought to come from German, e.g. cegła /Ziegel, may actcually have come from the old Polish ‘ceglina’. Ceglina comes from glina (clay), which does not come from German, where clay is Lehm.

    • Replies: @Marshall Lentini
  214. @Another Polish Perspective

    Don’t be ridiculous. Those are all solidly Germanic words with universally accepted roots and attestations. Polish was, obviously, the recipient of these words. Quite the same with every Slavic nation bordering Germany.

    • Agree: E_Perez
  215. Gordo says:

    My problem with the European Union isn’t that it’s too big or too centralized, but that it is an anti-European Union

    Exactly the reason so many of us voted for Brexit.

  216. Schuetze says:
    @Schuetze

    Alasdair Macleod describes how depraved the ECB is…

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/ecbs-financial-suttee

    “The European Commission is failing. Its response to Brexit and the pandemic, where it is now threatening emergency powers in order to secure vaccines is a latest throw of the political dice. Even before this development markets were getting the message with capital flight worsening.

    The only thing that holds the Commission together is the magic money tree that is the ECB.

    Following the recent change in the Commission’s leadership, the political dysfunction in Brussels is a new challenge for the ECB. It is already juggling with overindebted member states, a global rise in bond yields, a rotten settlement system and commercial banks both over-leveraged and with mounting pandemic-related bad debts.

    It really is a horror show in the making.”

  217. @Bubba

    Bubba, I agree.

    Lawyers are trained in the art and science of deceiving humans by stringing together statements that are not categorically false.

    Here for example, is how the former-bank-lawyers calling themselves the Supreme Court of Canada dealt with the fact that the nominal approximation method of interest calculation used in Canada (and the U.S.) has been recognised and banned as criminal fraud in the U.K. since 1974 on the grounds that it is “false and seriously misleading”:

    The United Kingdom has devised a complicated formula which is incorporated into statute law for dealing with disclosure requirements in similar circumstances.

    English translation: Canadian banks use a fraudulent approximation formula that has been recognised as criminal fraud in the U.K. since 1974 when the U.K. Consumer Credit Act banned it and required all creditors there to use the mathematically correct formula that has been used by insurance companies for centuries. Your first mistake was even bringing the matter before a court system saturated with former bank lawyers. HAHAHAHAHAHA!

    • Replies: @Bubba
  218. Franz says:
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    Don’t overthink it.

    Never. Strictly a sci-fi fantasy/alternative world thing now.

    Lots of people are learning (some) Common Greek now. When the Evangelicals found out the Gospels were originally non-Latin they launched a thousand night classes, at least. Politics poses questions but religion actually gets people to doing things. Except for people who take politics religiously.

  219. some_loon says:

    French (the language of diplomacy) and English (the language of business) open up opportunities to those who learn either.

    Latin or some conlang would be much less useful. You may as well ask that everybody socialize in Klingon and write poetry in Loglan.

    mlatu pinxe lo ladru (cats drink milk)
    https://www.lojban.org/jboski/index.php

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  220. Seraphim says:
    @Expletive Deleted

    Yes, the answer is ‘no’! Euskara is not the oldest European language! As it turned out the oldest European languages are the circum-Mediterranean ‘Italid’ dialects spread since the Paleolithic/Mesolithic from Iberia, ‘Occitania’, naturally Italy, to Dalmatia and ‘Dacia’, and the affine ‘Celtic’ and ‘Slavic’ dialects.
    That would put to rest the ‘Vasconic Semitic Substratum Hypothesis’, the «pan-Semitic theory», as well as the myth of the invasion of Europe by the ‘Aryan/Nordic’ Übermensch.

  221. joe2.5 says:
    @joe2.5

    Apologies. I see that I was obscure enough to need parsing.

  222. @Marshall Lentini

    The issue is not about Polish and German in the form they appeared in the late Middle Ages / Reneissance, which is the form that ultimately brought about their modern versions.

    The issue is whether in the early period, up to X century, in the West (East Germany) did exist some proto-Slavic language which gave rise to Western Slavic languages, Yiddish and German.
    I do not say this proto-langugae is proto-German too, just that it influenced German.

    The issue is if such a language can be traced in Yiddish, it would mean Jews were there before XIV century.

    Such hypotheses could change a lot, a reason why ethnogenesis is one of the most contentious issues in Medieval studies.

    Besides, East Germany is full of Slavic toponymes: just to mention Köpenick and Treptow in Berlin.

  223. @Franz

    A people doesn’t DECIDE to speak a language.

    Intellectuals and other elitists (actually elite, or not) may have the luxury to play with language, and hire tutors and nannies to teach their children, but the People LIVE with their inherited tongue, always, and no edict, commission, or election, can change that.

    • Replies: @Franz
  224. etype says:

    The author is fooling himself. Although most of his points are correct, an attempt to impose Latin on Europe because it seems like a good idea, is misguided. There are too many American and anglo people who do not conceive that there is a higher logic which determine such things, and that overly simplistic attempts to change something (national language and culture) which have lives of their own, are doomed to engender disaster. Please stop assuming your ‘hey guess what’ big ideas for Europe have any currency or attraction for the people of Europe. As this ‘big idea’ originates from the Anglosphere (this idea of an esperanto language recycles every five years, and it usually comes from the same sources) and is similar to other Anglo ideas such as the EU itself, Nato, the UN, WHO, UNESCO etc. etc. are all sourced from Anglo brainstorms. Keep your monolanguages, strip mall culture, franchise religiosity to yourselves.

  225. @Bardon Kaldian

    National consciousness and pride are enormously important for survival and for quality of life. But without having children, they are ultimately useless. These nations are dying out and the process will be accelerating.

    The fact remains that even less business will be transacted in those languages, even fewer professional papers published in those languages, even fewer tourists visit who speak those languages coming to our shores, even fewer students from those countries in foreign universities or internships or jobs, even fewer songs written in those languages, as their populations continue dwindling and aging.

    Slovenes are dying out, so who cares if they supposedly have a strong national consciousness? If they did, they’d be perpetuating their families and their nation. They’re not.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  226. @RadicalCenter

    They’re not dying out, you’re projecting.

    Nobody knows what’s gonna be in next 20-40 years. Actually, it may very well be that technology will make millions of people unemployable & billions of superfluous humans-if you want, the global south- will simply die out.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  227. @Expletive Deleted

    If my German serves, you seem to be calling Icelanders “island monkeys.” Why?

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
  228. @Bardon Kaldian

    My wife and I have numerous children. I’m not “projecting” in that sense, BK. If you mean that European-Amerians in the USA, or the more intelligent, stable, and productive people in the USA more generally, have a lower fertility rate than the rest of the population: of course that’s true, and a serious problem for my country.

    You’re right, of course, that we don’t know what will happen in the next 20-plus years. But we can make educated guesses and estimates based, largely, on current and visibly developing trends. There is no reason to expect the population decline among actual Europeans in Europe to reverse or even slow in the immediate future. And with each passing year, most European and East Asian countries have fewer of their own women of safe childbearing age. It becomes harder to reverse the process the longer they wait to return to normal healthy life and start having children again.

    Good point about technological innovation making large numbers of people unemployable. It sure looks like robots, machines, and vehicles with improved artificial intelligence will render much of humanity obselete as workers. This trend could greatly accelerate soon, as my favorite pinko Andrew Yang plausibly predicts. And it applies to many “white-collar” jobs, not just service jobs in restaurants, retail stores, and the like.

    And I think much of the population of the USA and Europe will be in that situation, of all races, not just the Global South. I think that many of us Americans and Europeans may suffer the same fate, including mass poverty and gravely declining levels of safety in the USA, Germany, France, etc.

  229. Franz says:
    @Dhjikg hhij

    A people doesn’t DECIDE to speak a language.

    No, they’re influenced to do it by the usual thing: Conquest.

    The French used to speak a Gaulish language called Lepontic till Rome conquered them, at which point the vulgar form of Latin spoke by the legionnaires mixed in with the (many) dialects Gauls had.

    After a few generations of patois, an early form of French began to develop. It grew and held the region of France together long enough to produce, for good or ill, the language we know and love emerged.

    The point here being that it takes a catalyst of some sort, one that uses force, to make a nation. If the current demographic trends in France and other European nations continue, a new patois will kick in and we’ll all be speaking some weird combination of Arabic/Ebonics/Hindi in a couple centuries.

    At the rate the USA is collapsing, Russia might invade us first and a new language WOULD emerge, probably faster than French did. And Russian ain’t so bad either.

    • Thanks: Expletive Deleted
  230. @some_loon

    French is not particularly useful. Where is it spoken outside France? Quebec, maybe some fed gov jobs right across the border in Ottawa Ontario, part of tiny Islamizing Belgium, and to some extent in undesirable African places (sorry to be redundant).

    And some cantons in Switzerland, where just about everyone can speak to you well in English and/or German anyway.

    • Replies: @some_loon
  231. @joe2.5

    That assessment of the role of Spanish in the usa is behind the times. As the oldest generation dies off, the remaining US population rapidly approaches a majority with some knowledge of Spanish.

    The number of people knowing some substantial amount of Spanish in the USA is massive and steadily growing, probably over one hundred million people already. I.e., around 30% of everyone living here.

    This includes tens of millions of people who speak fluently and come from Mexican / Guatemalan / Salvadoran / Puerto Rican families (to name our largest Hispanic immigrant groups).

    It also includes tens of million of non-Hispanic people who have learned some Spanish to get by in business, in school, or the neighborhood (many millions of nonHispanic people in California, Texas, Florida, New Jersey, New York, Chicago, and on and on).

    Anecdotally, the Italian owners of a pizza place we frequent when visiting an affluent part of Bergen County, NJ, speak to their employees in Spanish. My family friend who owns a landscaping business in NJ says that he “has to” speak broken Spanish to his employees. My acquaintance wh0 owns a restaurant in downtown LA finds that he too “has to” speak Spanish to some of his employees. Hell, the city of Santa Ana CA alone has more than three hundred thousand Spanish speakers, probably closer to 400,000 (more than its entire official population) counting the many illegal aliens.

    Thanks to greedy disloyal agricultural corporations, there are now towns in Kansas and Nebraska where the Head Start and food stamp (WIC) signup advertisements are in Spanish and nearly half the kids in the schools are Hispanics from recent-immigrant Spanish-speaking families.

    There are Spanish-language immersion programs in a growing number of elementary and junior high schools around the country, and not just in CA, TX, NYC, or Miami. We are talking Nevada, Colorado, Utah, Washington, NJ, Michigan, and many other States.

    Most likely, Spanish will be roughly as widely used as English in wide swathes of the USA, often by nonHispanics; by the emerging Hispanic majority in California, Texas, Florida, Arizona, Hudson County NJ, DC, etc., and by the emerging Hispanic plurality in Chicago, Denver, and even some suburbs of Salt Lake City Utah of all places.

    Expect Spanish to become an official language of California, later Texas, if those States don’t split up.

  232. Auch Gast says:
    @Tsigantes

    As a German it would never even have occured to me to suggest German as the official European language. But now I will advocate for it just to spite Anti-Germans like you.

  233. @Another Polish Perspective

    This is why medieval Latin is so hard to read: it is actually a set of creolized versions of Latin.

    No, this is why medieval Latin is generally much easier to understand than “classical” Latin. It was a creolized version used to communicate across national borders – it uses the simplified syntax of New Testament Latin for the most part and the vocabulary tends to be more limited and the sort of Latin words that have survived in modern European languages. Medieval Latin could plausibly work as a lingua franca for Europe. Trying to communicate in the colloquial Latin of Plautus would never work.

  234. @RadicalCenter

    Relax friend. It’s what the krauts call us offshore islanders. “Island-monkeys”. It’s kinda cute.
    ‘Scuse I, just got to hop off and pick out some fleas from my bodyhair.
    All Icelanders don’t amount to even a modest-sized city round here. Lovely as they are, and partially derived due to Norse shenanigans from our wonderful yet knuckle-walking selves.

  235. It would be hard to come up with a Latin version of cell phone, giga bites, x-box, bullet train, or high speed internet without sounding, well, funny.

    English is very much like Chinese. Words are often one or two phonemes, they slip off the tongue. There is a great deal of emphasis on inflection and other vocal maneuvers to distinguish similar sounding words, (i.e. Heat, hit, Heath, heed, he’d, hid, etc) They are bit like grunting sound made by primitive folks. Long sounding words in languages like Latin, French, Italian and German are the product of civilization: Long, convoluted and bureaucratic.

    This is the reason why English has many more idioms than other languages. The idiom avoids the confusion of short words with a long expression to take the place of words (i.e. Better late than never, Call it a day, Your guess is as good as mine, etc.)
    What also gets the foreigners is the spelling, which in English is particularly atrocious. Too bad Gregg Shorthand never quite caught on.

    Either way, the best language is the one you know. But you’d have to admit, English seems to hold an advantage.

  236. some_loon says:
    @RadicalCenter

    I disagree with your claim that French is not useful, as many educated people throughout the world speak it well. https://www.visualcapitalist.com/100-most-spoken-languages/ lists it as number 5 worldwide for total number of speakers, though much lower for number of native speakers.

    English, French, and German are the procedural languages of the European Commission. The first two are truly international languages, while the third is the language for Germany, Austria, part of Switzerland, and a few small places.

    The current troubles of France and Belgium may change things, but we are not there yet.

  237. Bubba says:
    @Timothy Madden

    Thank you for the interesting story and good laugh!

  238. Blade says:
    @Agathoklis

    That is because subjects of Romans themselves called themselves Roman. That includes Greeks too. Rum is just corrupted version Rome, derived from ‘Diyar-i Rum’ (Land of Rome). Unlike in your imagination, Greeks themselves were embarrassed of ancient Greeks and did not call themselves Hellenes/Greeks, but Romans. There is no continuity. The cultural switch of Roman Empire’s administration is because of the split of the empire. Majority of the population left in Eastern Rome was Greek, so they adopted it. From that moment they became incompetent and it is a long history of decline, destruction only delayed by the Roman walls of Nova Roma (which you call Constantinople, but the founders called it Rome).

  239. @The Alarmist

    This will not work. Latin is a dead language. Nothing on tv, in music, movies to learn from. No lifelike situations that can help one grasp the language.
    It would be used only by the politicians and bearing in mind their absence of mind when dealing with anything, let alone the difficult Latin declinations, grammatical cases ( Nominative… ). It would be almost impossible.
    In my country we have a saying: Speak Serbian so the whole world could understand you. There. I fixed it for the EU.

  240. noname27 says: • Website
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    There’s a lot you don’t know, and it shows with every reply comment you write to me.

  241. Anonymous[718] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Agreed, lingua francas have to be chosen based on what is most practical for all of the parties involved. If English happens to be most practical at this time, then English it be. When the Zionists usurped Palestine to create a Jewish supremacist state, a revived Hebrew was actually chosen to be the language because it was the most practical solution: most Jews at that time spake either Yiddish or Arabic. It was realised that it would be less difficult for all of them to learn Hebrew than it would for either the Yiddish Jews to learn Arabic or for the Arab Jews to learn Yiddish.

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