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It’s an iconic duo: urban liberals and Starbucks. Wherever you are, you can almost always find a Starbucks and a group of lefties.

The company has carefully built this image. It has regularly funded explicitly and implicitly anti-white policies including ruthless affirmative action, deliberately hiring non-whites, and showily boycotting Christmas by using “holiday” cups.

In 2015, when the “Great Awokening” began, Starbucks challenged Americans to talk more about race. They did not mean for Americans to talk about it the way American Renaissance does. “Of the hundreds of large companies that truckle to racial orthodoxy, Starbucks might be the worst,” said Martin Rojas in 2020. CEO Howard Schultz even considered running for president in 2012, 2016, and 2020. Starbucks is Woke Capital at its worst.

However, Starbucks could never overcome a fatal contradiction. The company represented upscale urban living, a refuge from the seedier realities of the city. Starbucks coffee is expensive, perhaps a deliberate choice to weed out undesirable customers; a survey in 2013 found customers cared more about good service than good coffee.

Urban liberals have never had trouble championing people they avoid. Few of them want to be surrounded by poor blacks or mentally ill vagrants as they display social status at Starbucks. Unfortunately for them, racial realities are breaking down the polite hypocrisies that let white liberals live with their illusions.

In 2018, a hapless Starbucks manager in Philadelphia, apparently a liberal feminist, called the police on “two gentlemen in my café that are refusing to make a purchase or leave.” They were black, so this became a national story with far more coverage than a triple murder. Starbucks groveled. Then CEO Kevin Johnson personally apologized to the two blacks, closed the chain nationwide for a day of “racial-bias training,” and changed its bathroom policy so anyone could use them and stay as long as he liked.

Protesters gather inside the Starbucks location in Center City Philadelphia, PA on April 15, 2018 where days earlier two black men were arrested. (Credit Image: © Bastiaan Slabbers/NurPhoto via ZUMA Press)
Protesters gather inside the Starbucks location in Center City Philadelphia, PA on April 15, 2018 where days earlier two black men were arrested. (Credit Image: © Bastiaan Slabbers/NurPhoto via ZUMA Press)

In April 2018, I wrote:

Ultimately, it’s not about Starbucks, but about the contradiction urban white liberals live by. They view their politics as a status symbol that shows their superiority over other whites. Brands such as Starbucks cater to this self-image. At the same time, white liberals love what [Jamelle] Bouie calls “white spaces” that are orderly, efficient, quiet, and pleasant. Such spaces have to be policed to keep the riff-raff out, and the riff-raff tend to be non-white.

However, if progressive political ideals mean those places can’t be policed, they will be overrun. White liberals will look for new places to patronize. They will never admit the racial motivation behind their actions any more than Starbucks will, but it doesn’t change the company’s reliance on white consumers.

Sometimes, I hate being right. Not this time. Starbucks has been overrun.

Even CEO Howard Schultz is now complaining about what’s happening in his stores. “I must say, in my view at the local, state and federal level, these governments across the country and leaders, mayors, and governors, city councils have abdicated their responsibility in fighting crime and addressing mental health,” he reportedly said in a meeting.

Antifa have smashed stores during protests, including the first Starbucks store ever, but the big problem is bums and vagrants who come in and don’t buy anything. They occasionally attack customers and staff, so Starbucks may end its open-bathroom policy. “We have to harden our stores and provide safety for our people,” said the CEO. “I don’t know if we can keep our bathrooms open.” He blamed the “mental health crisis” and admitted that “there is an issue of safety in our stores, in terms of people coming in who use our stores as a public restroom.”

Starbucks essentially became a homeless shelter, not just a coffee company.

The inevitable result? Starbucks is closing 16 “not unprofitable” stores because of “safety concerns.” Six are in the Los Angeles area, six in the Seattle area, two in Portland, one in Washington DC, and one in Philadelphia. CNBC reports that the company’s complaints about crime in Seattle and Los Angeles are justified:

In Seattle, property crimes, which include car theft, larceny theft and burglary, and violent robberies are up nearly 20% for the first five months 2022 from the year-earlier period, according to the Seattle Police Department.

In Los Angeles, those types of crimes are up citywide more than 14% for the first six months of 2022 compared to the same period last year, according to the Los Angeles Police Department.

In West Hollywood, however, those figures are much higher: Property crimes and violent robberies have more than doubled in 2022 from 2021, according to the LA County Sheriff.

You know things are bad when even CNN says, “Starbucks can’t be America’s public bathroom.” Starbucks’ stock is down by more than 31 percent this year. Mr. Schultz said many more stores will close.

“Starbucks is a window into America,” Mr. Schultz said in his internal meeting. “We are facing things in which the stores were not built for.”

This is true of the whole country. Our rulers take for granted things such as high levels of trust, energetic and competent police, and general agreement that homeless camps and property crimes are bad. Our society is a gift from our ancestors, who suffered for centuries to build a civilization that protected life, liberty, and property. Our rulers have thrown that away.

Mr. Schultz is among those rulers. He’s used his money and power to dynamite the foundations of our society, and now has the nerve to blame a government that hardly has all the power. Media, NGOs, and activist organizations use the government as a tool. It was public protests over the 2018 arrest of two blacks that changed Starbucks’s policy and wreaked havoc.

Mr. Schultz shares the blame, but I doubt he will learn anything. He’ll close some stores, but there are still neighborhoods where urban liberals can buy expensive coffee and complain about Donald Trump.

Starbucks’ hypocrisy can’t go on forever. At some point, you can’t keep running from problems. You also can’t dodge responsibility for your actions. Starbucks employees are under siege partially because of the political, cultural, and social changes Starbucks has supported for decades. I’d laugh, except that these changes hurt us too.

For now, we can boycott these homeless camps. Support companies that support our people. I’ll have a interview with one such company soon. If we want a nation of our own, we need to start with institutions of our own and ignore the others. Leave Starbucks to its fate.

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  1. Espace says:

    “ Our society is a gift from our ancestors, who suffered for centuries to build a civilization that protected life, liberty, and property. Our rulers have thrown that away”

    No truer words spoken. Get woke, go broke. I look forward to a brighter future. Thanks for the excellent article.

  2. G. Poulin says:

    Dumb f–ks. I hope they go belly-up, and soon. Their coffee sucks anyway.

  3. Starbucks EXISTS to be a public toilet. There are good coffee roasters in almost every city in the country; there is no reason to go to a Starbucks unless you need to take an emergency shit.

  4. A Texan says:

    We can only hope some of these miscreants hanging out at a Starsux give these white poop libs a taste of their own medicine. I’m happy to see it lose money. I guess it’s lost on the CEO that safe and pleasant communities are what makes his coffee shacks possible. But one can never fix this kind of stupid.

  5. Biff says:

    This:

    Urban liberals have never had trouble championing people they avoid.

    and the rest of the liberal descriptions are spot on.

  6. Chris Moore says: • Website

    Even CEO Howard Schultz is now complaining about what’s happening in his stores. “I must say, in my view at the local, state and federal level, these governments across the country and leaders, mayors, and governors, city councils have abdicated their responsibility in fighting crime and addressing mental health,” he reportedly said in a meeting.

    ((Howard Schultz)), a Judeofascist leader of the corporate “woke” movement, is complaining that his government partners in crime are incompetent? Well, yes, they are. They’re incompetence extends to the neolibs/neocons who direct America’s failed wars and foreign policies, to benefit Israel and international Zionism.

    In fact, I would gander that most ((Jewish)) success in the corporate field is due to unlimited funny money funding from the Federal Reserve, ever since the Zionist rackets got their hooks in the finance sector. In other words, it’s an illusion built on oceans of debt, like the smoke and mirrors of “the Great and Powerful Oz!”

    Guys like ((Schultz)), nestled comfortably in Christendom for decades, started believing their own hasbara and Hollywood scripts, and decided they could get rid of White Christians and run the Big Show without missing a beat. But it is they and their stooges who are disposable, and now that they’re getting their just deserts, they’re baring their Judeofascist teeth.

    Nasty business, these arrogant ((Jews)) and their stooges.

  7. This is the best news ever. ROTFL.

    Defund the Police! Let blacks and bum sit in Starbucks forever. LOL.

    I laud Starbucks. I recommend all ‘woke’ companies to follow suit.

  8. Charles says:

    The Starbucks phenomenon to me was always incomprehensible. But much of what my fellow Whites do and claim to believe, things which are obviously destructive of our culture and country, are equally a mystery. I have the feeling Dr. Revilo Oliver was mostly right about things.

    • Agree: Rich, TKK
  9. In this day and age, one would have to be a retard to join the police force in any ‘blue’ city.

    Defund the police and let ‘woke’ whites deal with black crime on their own.

    F*** them.

    https://rumble.com/v1dtr1m-ex-cops-kueng-thao-sentenced-for-violating-george-floyds-rights.html

    • Agree: tyrone, Legba
  10. JR Foley says:

    Stores full of vagrants and bums. Speaks Marathon of what ails America. Now go and preach the USA Dream to the World.

  11. If only every stupid company that supports woke shit goes bankrupt.

    If only.

    • Agree: TKK
  12. Franz says:

    governments across the country and leaders, mayors, and governors, city councils have abdicated their responsibility in fighting crime and addressing mental health

    So then…

    Tax Starbucks at the 99 percent rate so “governments” can have the wherewithal to SOLVE these problems… problems which rich twits like the Starbucks owner created to begin with.

  13. @Chris Moore

    You read the torah and worship a fictional kike.

    • LOL: Jay Fink
    • Troll: Automatic Slim
    • Replies: @Allan
  14. (((Howard Schultz))) was an early advocate of “corporate social responsibility”. One can only hope other woke CEOs find themselves confronting similar dilemmas.

    • Agree: KrisP
  15. Fat girls like Starbucks. They can get rich creamy shakes and pretend it’s coffee like they’re Ally McBeal. Lattes for the Big boned gals.

  16. Hitmarck says:

    I can only recommend watching frame game radios double special
    “The perplexing case of Starbucks” on the show The Public Space with Jean-François Gariépy.

    https://archive.org/details/framegames

    Videos No. 30 & 31

    Some f-word by the name Gregory Hood misbehaved on that show that bad that JF decided to not host guests any longer.

    • Replies: @Irish Savant
  17. Emma S. says:

    White Liberals are among the most hypocritical people out there, very smug too.

    • Agree: TKK, Jay Fink
    • Replies: @Detroit Refugee
  18. Alden says:

    Don’t get too excited. Starbucks has about 9 thousand stores and closed I think 17.

    There’s five of them that I know of within a mile of my home. One just opened about a month ago. Starbucks isn’t hurting at all. It’s a consumer economics thing. A treat that is expensive for what it is. But fairly cheap.

    Think of a woman who spends \$18 a week for manicures. About \$900. a year. Could be used for a car repair or a new couch 2 months of utility bills. Or a man who spends about \$60 a week in bars after work. \$3,000 a year.

    Starbucks costs too much for what the product is . But people will still spend the money.

  19. @Patrick Gibbs

    Agreed.
    The world needs not Starbucks.
    The “coffee shop” is the perfect small business. A business that with hard work can keep a family in the middle class. (Not a 1000 barristas struggling to stay in the “working” class.)
    I’m proud to say that Australia has largely rejected Starbucks.

  20. @Vergissmeinnicht

    “Today, Red Bull GmbH is 51 percent controlled by the Yoovidhya family, who own the trademark for the drink in Europe and the United States of America.”

  21. Dumbo says:

    Well, screw Starbucks. The only thing they had going for them was having dependable free wi-fi and toilets when you need them. Their overpriced coffee sucks.

    • Replies: @Patricus
  22. This is a situation just made for the German word Schadenfreude.

    • Agree: Biff
    • Replies: @anonymous
  23. eah says:

    Starbucks sells a lot of overpriced heavily sweetened muck — I haven’t been inside one for many years, although I do occasionally enjoy a coffee with some nice Milchschaum.

    I remember an episode of The Simpsons aired years ago when Starbucks was still expanding wildly and stores were popping up literally everywhere — it features a funny bit where Bart is walking along the concourse of a shopping mall, and literally every other store he passes is a Starbucks — someone clipped that and posted it to YouTube; you can watch it here.

  24. I am reminded of an early visitor to the Workers’ Paradise that was the Soviet Union, sometime in 1920s, who insisted on taking his driver everywhere he went – to the high level parties of the Communist rulers; for some strange reason, the Communist rulers could not appreciate the spirit of equality this visitor practised…

  25. JM says:
    @Chris Moore

    In fact, I would gander that most ((Jewish)) success in the corporate field is due to unlimited funny money funding from the Federal Reserve, ever since the Zionist rackets got their hooks in the finance sector. In other words, it’s an illusion built on oceans of debt, like the smoke and mirrors of “the Great and Powerful Oz!”

    Well over 90% of money borrowed by businesses come from the banks, not some kind of conduit between the Federal Reserve and Jews.

    BTW, aren’t Jews supposed to warrant THREE parentheses?

    • Troll: Ron West
    • Replies: @Chris Moore
    , @Badger Down
  26. Tyroneee says:

    I was one of the homeless who frequently urinate in the bathroom sinks to avoid the hyperdemic needles and diseases in the toilet.

    And I will not stop relieving myself in the Starbucks toilet room sinks and walls.

    It’s my right and it makes me happy to urinate on Starbucks.

    • Thanks: Notsofast
    • Replies: @Johnny Smoggins
  27. Montgomery Ward, Sears, Kmart. Who misses them? Who will miss Starbucks? Looking forward to somewhere I can get good coffee reasonably priced.

    • Replies: @Biff
    , @SteveK9
  28. Morten says:

    When do the elites move from an area getting muliticulti. A Swedish survey showed that the elites in media, politics and more start to move to whiter areas when 1,9% of their neighborhoods become blessed with the people they officially love.

    • Replies: @René Fries
  29. @Chris Moore

    Nasty business, these arrogant ((Jews)) and their stooges.
    ——————————————————————–
    Seems that’s the case with jews for all time. From Ester to Passover and Cyprus, and everywhere they’ve ever been. They’re really bad people.

    • Agree: BuelahMan, Druid55
    • Replies: @Shafar Nullifidian
  30. Biff says:
    @Jim Richard

    Looking forward to somewhere I can get good coffee reasonably priced.

    I remember in the mid eighties in the construction business the supply houses had coffee stations and a cup with sugar and cream was five cents.

  31. Anonymous[661] • Disclaimer says:

    For sure, Starbucks offers attitude for the liberal clientele. Otherwise, they’re just selling a beverage that tastes like battery acid and rust water, and an array of liquid concoctions that are 50% fat and 50% sugar. Haven’t been near one in years and have no plans to go back.

  32. The local news clip mentions the substitution of private security companies for normal community policing. (((Who))) do you think is expanding their private security company ownership?

    This is widespread in SoCal. (((Their))) strategy is moving along according to plan. Own the state/local governments and weaken their traditional responsibilities to their constituents….replace by privatized services which (((they))) own. An endless circle of ruin — and profit taking.

    • Agree: Irish Savant
  33. Z-man says:

    Karma is a fickle bitch.

  34. Whoever likes good coffee should stay away from Starbucks. As Georges Clemenceau once put it: “Americans are incapable of abstract thinking, nor can they make decent coffee.”

    https://english.pravda.ru/opinion/130250-lousy_coffee_ukraine/

  35. KrisP says:

    Leftists destroy everything created by their betters and then blame the resulting chaos on someone else. Why can’t we mount an effective strategy to counter these clowns?

  36. Unit472 says:

    The problem Shultz has now is that he has publicly admitted his earlier policy put his employees and customers in danger. Hard to walk that admission back once the lawsuits begin. Does no good to say your stores were not designed keep people safe when it was your policy to allow dangerous people to come in and sit down.

    • Replies: @KrisP
  37. @Alden

    But will the max out their credit cards for a \$5.00 Mudlatte?

  38. @Reverend Goody

    Since the “pandemic” most of the “female” help in a Starbucks look like rejects from a Taco Bell drive thru. Starbucks needs to partner some of its locales with local tattoo artists.

    • Agree: KrisP
  39. Fat girls like Starbucks. They can get rich creamy shakes and pretend it’s coffee like they’re Ally McBeal. Lattes for the Big boned gals.

    Starbucks is a fantastic place for girls. They get to dress up. They get to check out the other girls. They get to talk in secret codes. They get to spend too much money. And in the end they get a sugary coffee drink. Win-win-win-win. Why an actual man would ever darken the door of a Starbucks? I have no earthly idea.

    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
  40. What’s happened?

    Coffee shops used to be the place where left-wing radicals met to finalize plans on dismantling society.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Buck Ransom
  41. KenH says:

    Mr. Schultz is among those rulers. He’s used his money and power to dynamite the foundations of our society, and now has the nerve to blame a government that hardly has all the power.

    Schultz is just one of many diaspora Jewish elites using his money and power to dynamite the foundations of white nations so they can create something more in their image and likeness. The hatred for the white race, our history and civilization has Jewish sources.

    • Agree: Ramstein
    • Thanks: Irish Savant
  42. KrisP says:
    @Unit472

    I didn’t see where he publicly admitted anything. He blamed the government for the problems he helped cause. Leftists never learn/admit anything.

  43. Miro23 says:

    Maybe the best way to describe Starbucks is as a parasite. It feeds on/ destroys the safe “white space” that it needs to survive.

    That’s normal parasite behaviour, but it’s starting to wreck to the whole of the exploitative Jewish Empire, not just the Starbucks corner.

    Their problem seems to be that targeted new hosts Russia and China can see the New World Order (official parasite name) threat and have closed down access (media ownership, political lobbying, banking, NGO’s, academia, education etc.). Putin chased the parasites out of Russia (Starbucks recently closed its remaining 300 Russian outlets). China does its own banking, media and politics and copies any internet/social web stuff it needs.

    Even worse from the ZioGlob point of view, the rest of the world seems to be fast tipping away from the US and the West.

  44. Anonymous[137] • Disclaimer says:

    “Starbucks’ hypocrisy can’t go on forever.”

    Neither can yours! Why don’t you call out Rebbe Schultz’s creed when discussing his dissing of Christmas? Kissing behinds won’t solve threats facing American way of life.

  45. We used to have a grey cat.

    • Disagree: Nick Granite
    • Thanks: Ghan-buri-Ghan
  46. @Alden

    Yes on the tiny percentage of stores being closed but read up on the CEO of Starbucks using “safety” as an excuse to close these stores to prevent the staff in those stores from forming a union. The employees from these stores are being transferred to other stores where they are shadowed and pressured to remain non-union. Read up on Starbucks’ management breaking all the rules to bust the formation of any union.

    Starbucks’ social consciousness has been a pretense from day one – screw the coffee growers, screw the staff, let the cash registers ring.

    And by the way, Kersey covered this a good while ago.

  47. Anonymous[293] • Disclaimer says:

    It would be deeply satisfying to see SB to file chapter 11. To be destroyed. Too bad for all the white employees. But what else is new.

  48. @Tyroneee

    And I will not stop relieving myself in the Starbucks toilet room sinks and walls.

    God bless you Sir. May you live long and prosper!

  49. If White people thought like Jews….

    We’d be helping Starbucks workers who’ve been traumatized or assaulted by homeless people sue the company.

    We’d be helping Starbucks workers organize in unions

    We’d be busing violent blacks and homeless people to Starbucks stores in order to hold them to their “bathrooms for all” policy.

    We’d fund “scientific studies” that “prove” that Starbucks coffee causes cancer, and launch massive lawsuits against them.

    But we don’t. We just grumble and pay our taxes. This is why we’re on an 80 year losing streak.

    • Replies: @KenH
  50. Anon[286] • Disclaimer says:

    The whole woke load of horse manure is collapsing and back firing. Once you pander to the lawless, they dont become more well behaved but become worse. I am glad that the bums and other racial undesirables have invaded Starbucks locations, shitting and pissing all over the toilets, beating customers and staff and loitering in the facility without buying or paying.

    Next to feel the pinch are these companies advertising inter racial couples and blacks with little or no disposable income. Same for faggot and lesbian couple advertising !

    I dont frequent Starbucks. Two cups of coffee a day workout to \$300 a month or about \$3,600 a year which is madness. Not that I cannot afford that, but I hear people complaining about the cost of living and yet see folks spending on items they do not need.

    I make my own coffee at home ! I dont support a Joo establishment, I avoid the scum of society and save money. Americans are dumb !

    Fuck Starbucks and the woke CEO Joo Fuck !

  51. Nor a lot to celebrate these times but this gives me a warm feeling of contentment.

  52. @G. Poulin

    Tastes like burned treacle. How anyone in their right mind would buy it is beyond me.

  53. Anon[286] • Disclaimer says:
    @Carroll price

    What’s happened?

    Coffee shops used to be the place where left-wing radicals met to finalize plans on dismantling society.

    I guess ! But the radicals spent their money there. The entitled and indigent shits we have now feel entitled to do as they please knowing their targets will be too scared to retaliate and thus consequences are zero !

    I might add that just as left wing radicals met in coffee shops, students and readers met at the library. My library pre-covid was invaded by bums (especially in winter) who slept in the chairs, the mentally deranged, hookers who plied their trade in the toilets and drug dealers who sold in the remote book aisles.

    Luckily, City Council did not give a shit about woke liberalism, banned the lot, had several arrested and there is now a security patrol. People do as they please when they know they will get away with it.

    I’ll bet the two blacks who lolled off in the Starbucks store causing the initial “uproar” would never risk that in a Somali Coffee shop.

    • Replies: @Ayax
    , @Carroll price
  54. @Hitmarck

    What did GH say? Was it a deliberate attempt to sabotage JFG?

    • Replies: @Hitmarck
  55. Chris Moore says: • Website
    @JM

    Well over 90% of money borrowed by businesses come from the banks

    And the Federal Reserve is the banker for banks. If you don’t toe the Zionist/Judeofascist line, your bank dries up and blows away in ZOG America. If you do toe the Judeofascist line, your bank or business has the odds stacked in its favor.

    This is how the “woke” movement has so rapidly taken hold of the USA.

    These soulless Judeofascists are ruthless SOBs. And while they may succeed in the short term, in the long term they’re parasites on civilization as human beings need social order and morality to thrive and prosper, and soulless Judeofascists can’t offer either. Everything they touch will ultimately fail no matter how much funny money gets injected. (See the fate of the ((Bolshevik)) Soviet for an example.)

    These Judeofascists claim they’re “Oy! Oy! Following the science!”

    lol. The Covid “vaccine” shows what these cut-throats do when science is put in their hands.

    Really, all ((Jews)) and their ((followers)) (including ((Christians)) and ((atheists)) and ((hedonists)) and all ((…ists)) are ultimately worthless parasites, degenerates and regressives existing on the fumes of Christendom/Judaism/Zoroastrianism.

  56. @A Texan

    The white poop libs will double down, except it will be in your neighborhood with their diversity pets. Giving up feeling superior is a hard thing to do.

  57. JackOH says:

    “I must say, in my view at the local, state and federal level, these governments across the country and leaders, mayors, and governors, city councils have abdicated their responsibility in fighting crime and addressing mental health,” he [CEO Howard Schultz] reportedly said in a meeting. Emphasis mine.

    Is “mental health”, the phrase, being transformed into a politically weaponized code phrase? I think I’ve seen the phrase used by both the NRA and anti-2A gun-grabbers this past year. But, I think both have used it in different senses.

    I think–don’t know–the NRA uses “mental health” to dampen the impact of mass shootings. (See, that Uvalde guy. Totally nuts. We don’t make laws based on rare nutso incidents.)

    I think–don’t know–the anti-2A gun-grabbers use “mental health” to leverage more restrictions on lawful gun ownership and use. (See, that Uvalde guy. He was sane until he went nuts. That’s why we need “red flag” laws to detect signs of impending nutso-ness.)

    Has anyone else noticed a coded or weaponized use of “mental health”?

  58. Expat says:

    Black Rifle Coffee Company retail shops. It’s so obvious, I hope it’s already happening.

  59. Treg says:

    I’m one of those “× 20, Conservatives”. That is when liberals make their promises and pronouncements, we scream it’s not enough! It MUST go twenty times more!

    What? Starbucks is againsts raycissm and will give ten hours of sensitivity training? Starbucks doesn’t go far enough! We demand 200 hours for all senior executives above store management levels!

    Target will have just one gender neutral bathroom? That doesn’t don’t go far enough! No we demand 20 new bathrooms more per store!

    Call it Conservative monkey wrenching.

  60. @Cool Daddy Jimbo

    Actually, you can see quite a bit of AM drive through window business done by on duty State Highway patrol”men” at a Starbucks that I pass by on a frequent basis. They can afford it I suppose, have no sense of who their enemies are, and don’t know what a good cup of coffee is. Most of the truck stops
    around here have better coffee and offer far better opportunities to actually work and bust some bad guys.

  61. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Chris Moore

    An inside joke, with Star (of David) Bucks funneling money to West Bank settlements. Their coffee cups might as well have that IDF slogan appropriately modified and the image of a pregnant Palestinian woman in a sniper’s cross hairs on them, “One cup of coffee, two kills.” Plus, the coffee is disgustingly burnt and acidic.

    • Replies: @Maowasayali
  62. Emslander says:
    @G. Poulin

    Their coffee sucks anyway.

    At the beginning, the coffee was very good. I thought it was laced with a touch of tobacco for extra richness. However, in the great tradition of mass marketing to non-discriminating social wannabees, it is now certainly of a lower quality. I’m aware of three or four better espresso shops in my small backward town.

    As for the larger issue, we just need some of that fascism they keep warning us about. I lived for two years in Spain at the end of the Franco era and I don’t think I’ve ever again experienced a more wholly secure, democratic and friendly environment.

    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
  63. Can we goyim not invent ways to destroy Jewish institutions by reverting their destructive tactics on themselves? What about Jewish media, Hollywood, Jewish banks, Jewish think tanks, AIPAC, ADL or SPLC? At least we could start accusing them of “racism”, fostering “Jewish privilege” and committing “hate crimes” against Gentiles.
    We could also force Jews to undergo lectures in Critical Jew Theory. To be morally acceptable AIPAC should have a Palestinian leader, for example Rashida Tlaib.

    • Replies: @SOL
  64. JackOH says:

    FWIW-I rarely have coffee outside the house. That’s just me. At home, I’ll drink a lot. Mostly old-school Eight O’Clock brand whole bean, hand-ground and poured over a Timolino drip device. Tap water. Bit of cream and Sucralose. It’s very good.

    I’d been using a 70-year old Armin Troesser grinder. Worked okay. Then I used a Hario Skerton for maybe a decade. That worked okay, too.

    I bought a 1Zpresso a few months ago. Shipping from order placement in Taipei to arrival at my NE Ohio house was an astounding four days. The 1Zpresso is an engineering phenom. See the reviews for yourself on You Tube.

    (N. b.—our Asian brothers and sisters–when they want to—can put out astoundingly well-made products.)

    • Replies: @ricpic
  65. Rife says:
    @G. Poulin

    and what the heck is an asiago bagel?

    • Replies: @Alden
  66. @goeshittheragman

    Jews’ stooges are Jewges.
    The more the diversity, the more the perversity!

  67. @Reverend Goody

    Fat girls like Starbucks. They can get rich creamy shakes and pretend it’s coffee like they’re Ally McBeal. Lattes for the Big boned gals.

    I’ve seen fat chicks order \$11 drinks with 2 inches of caramel. Completely nuts.

    Oregon has a chain called Dutch Bros that caters to this sect.

    They sell them hopped up 20 ounce milkshakes.

    In the drive-thru they don’t show the full menu and pretty much just promote the latest milkshake flavor.

    • Thanks: ADeceptive Pseudonym
  68. Che Guava says:
    @G. Poulin

    I agree, the coffee is dismal.

    Have only been a customer thrice, once when a Yanqui associate insisted, once again when a western Tokyo branch hadn’t received the message from Seattle, and was still allowing smoking at the outside tables, both long ago, once more recently when a friend who is addicted to their desserts dragged me in.

    I have to admit, that last time had good customer service. The waiter gave both of us water or tea, I forget, and a small piece of chiffon cake, while we were waiting for the friend’s take-away dessert. I would assume that was exceptional and only because it was a not-busy shop in Tokyo and the waiter was genuinely nice, he seemed to be.

    Anyway, it is very easy to boycott the place in general, except for those three times, I have never spent one yen there.

    I read of the incident in the article not much later. Unbelievable reaction.

    My favourite thing about Starbucks is from the Kevin Williamson scripted film Dead Man’s Curve, the guy who played Stu in the original Scream makes a little demented speach about how Starbucks truly represents the U.S.A. of now (then, abt. 18 yrs ago), because it’s all abt. stars and bucks.

    Stu from Scream puts it much better than my above, I wanted to post a little clip of the speech, tried to find one, only to find that Williamson, despite being one of the greats of western horror cinema for some years, is now largely cancelled.

  69. Can you talk about how Starbucks is aggressively union busting? The people leading the efforts to unionize are the Latina and black women who starbucks champions, but Howard Schultz refuses to recognize them

  70. ricpic says:

    That bum smell goes well with the acrid taste of Starbucks coffee.

    • LOL: Notsofast
  71. ricpic says:
    @JackOH

    Eight O’Clock is still priced affordably. I’ll have to give it a try since the Peet’s Coffee I buy is going through the roof in price.

    • Replies: @JackOH
    , @dimples
  72. Phibbs says:

    Jew-run companies were the first to fund BLM, go woke and adopt anti-white hiring policies. Jews indeed are blasting the foundation of Caucasian accomplishments.

  73. Alden says:
    @Rife

    Asiago is a kind of cheese. A thinnest possible slice of it melted on top of the bagel. What does Starbucks charge for it? Probably \$8.00.

  74. KenH says:
    @Johnny Smoggins

    We’d be busing violent blacks and homeless people to Starbucks stores in order to hold them to their “bathrooms for all” policy.

    We’d fund “scientific studies” that “prove” that Starbucks coffee causes cancer, and launch massive lawsuits against them.

    But that would cause people on our side to clutch their pearls because that’s fighting dirty and conservatives are all about niceness, fairness, taking the high road, and losing gracefully. If they can’t win with tax cuts and set asides for negroes and other non-whites then they’d rather lose.

    Unless our side adopts a “win at all costs” and the end justifies the means mentality like the Jewish led left then we will lose the nation which we arguably have already.

    • Agree: Johnny Smoggins
  75. @Jim Bob Lassiter

    Public service – Fire/EMS, LE, get their coffee free, even the big sweet stuff, or they did. I interned as a medic with a metro FD and those guys hit Starbucks two or three times in a 24 hour shift. I have always been put off by Starbucks’ pretentiousness but joined in to be one of the gang. We tipped generously but that was it as far as cost.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  76. SteveK9 says:
    @Jim Richard

    I miss Montgomery Ward, Sears, and Kmart. I won’t miss Starbucks though, if it disappears. Sears existed almost as long as the US. To see it disappear, is like watching statues of Washington pulled down … oh, that’s right they are doing that too.

    • Replies: @Sir Launcelot Canning
  77. SteveK9 says:

    Many years ago I told people that I didn’t like Starbucks, because their coffee tasted burnt. They seemed perplexed, in the fashion of ‘but … don’t you know it is wonderful?’.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  78. You can get a better cup of coffee at any of the major truckstops- excuse me: Travel Centers. No you want get the status symbol cup with the pagan/demonic symbol on it – but hey sacrifices can be made.

  79. @Expat

    Why do the retired murderers at Black Rifle deserve our business? They will be taking more than enough from us through their military pensions and benefits, while having done nothing to make us safer or freer. They were hired thugs for a vicious empire, at our expense, and now they want our respect and gratitude?

    F— both Starbucks and the warmongering self-important pricks at Black Rifle.

  80. gloob says:

    Should the homeless be allowed to own dogs? I don’t know what I think . . . except that I don’t much care about humans and their problems, but I do care about dogs.

  81. @SteveK9

    Many years ago I told people that I didn’t like Starbucks, because their coffee tasted burnt. They seemed perplexed, in the fashion of ‘but … don’t you know it is wonderful?’.

    There is Starbucks coffee and there is Starbucks espresso. They are completely different.

    The drip coffee has very high caffeine content which gives it a burnt and bitter flavor. When I was in college the theory was that they use strong coffee to try and make up for the loss of people that sit in the cafe for hours on a laptop. Those people will order coffee or tea to keep the cost down. Well once people start buying the coffee they get addicted pretty quick and buy more cups.

    I like the espresso drinks even if they are pricy. They are consistent and the roast they use is decent. If you think it is too sweet then order it with half syrup. In rural areas you are often choosing between Starbucks and a local place that uses a cheap roast but hides it with syrup.

    If you just want drip in a drive-thru then Starbucks should be last on the list. McD’s has much better coffee. Snicker if you want but people like it in blind taste tests. Dunkin’s also has a good drip but I don’t have one nearby. I honestly don’t get why so many people buy drip when it is so easy to make and stick in a thermos.

    What I miss are the B&N cafes. They had decent coffee and they didn’t attract annoying people or junkies. The bathrooms were nice and not a single unisex stall like a lot of Starbucks. The price was less than Starbucks but I never saved any money since I would always walk out with 2-3 books from the sale section.

  82. Yes, talk about reaping what you sow.

    My good friend Tom Huxley’s latest news salient:

    https://thomashuxley.substack.com/p/your-clown-news-salient-52-of-americans

    Your Clown news salient: 52% of Americans are afraid every day; Teacher turns his classroom into a trans disco

    We’re afraid of our own shadow in a gay disco world

    Thomas Huxley

    Share Thomas Huxley’s CLOWN WORLD


    Fyodor Dostoevsky, the great Russian author, (1821-1881) warned us of demons

    We’re now a nation of cowards. What in holy hell.

    Give me a freakin’ break. I’m ashamed to be a Millennial. Apparently 75% of 25-34 year olds are afraid of daily life. I ask you. This is the rotten fruit of helicopter parents and participation trophies. I wanted to post this last night, but was too busy barfing. Cut me some slack here.

  83. @Doctor, My Eyes

    We should boycott any company that favors “veterans”, pigs, and other government workers over the rest of us.

    • Disagree: Doctor, My Eyes
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    , @Ed Case
  84. Anon[157] • Disclaimer says:

    Everywhere Jewish liberals go, homeless shelters follow. Literally without exception. Have you noticed that?

  85. @Espace

    “I look forward to a brighter future.” Spoken like a true Panglossian.

    Another old shibboleth is “it’s darkest before the dawn.” But the dysfunctional dis-United States is headed for a very DARK place from which there won’t be a dawn – at least not in its present far-too-large and ungovernable form.

  86. JackOH says:
    @ricpic

    ricpic, I just bought 4 X 40 oz. bags of Eight O’Clock whole bean for, I think, \$13.50-something each at Sam’s Club. I guess that’s like \$4.00 per 12-oz. bag.

    Eight O’Clock used to sell something called American Roast, a very lightly roasted coffee. It tasted something like a strong tea. I liked it. I snooped a little. If the sources are credible, a very light roast with tea-like flavor was a commonplace in post-Revolutionary America. That makes sense, but, again, I’m not sure my sources were credible.

  87. What crazed delusional woke leftist pos would own stock in this sinking schitthole grinding to a halt?

  88. @Vergissmeinnicht

    Patronize non-franchise cafes, or just go to your local roaster!

  89. @Patrick Gibbs

    And especially when municipalities enjoy closing their public toilets so that cafes end up with increased washroom cleaning costs.

    • Replies: @raga10
  90. @Emslander

    All hell broke loose after he left with the destape and such. I was there in 1993 and they still hadn’t settled down.

  91. @G. Poulin

    It’s an interesting phenomenon. There are so many excellent coffees. But Starbucks is awful. Why? What’s going on? To prompt the customer, once comfortably settled in with laptop, to purchase something el\$e so as to get the taste out of their mouth?

  92. The feelings of a normal person about it can only be described by a German word “schadenfreude”. In plain English – serves them right.

  93. @RadicalCenter

    You can sell anything to these wannabe militia guys. I went from chuckling at the idea of selling gun coffee to seeing a big section at the hardware store.

    Stick a picture of an AR-15 on anything and they will buy it.

    Middle America has all these White guys that don’t have a kids or wife and spend their middle class money on guns and jacked up trucks. Most are harmless and would probably piss their pants if we had a civil war. A lot of them roll into the gun store blasting rap. They are just confused and are in desperate need of a woman to balance them out. I think they watch too much TV though and imagine themselves as swinging bachelor dudes even if they never hit on women.

    Anyways it is unreal as to what they will buy. My local gun store sells them \$2500 AR-15s all the time. Most of those guns probably stay in closets.

    • Replies: @Allan
  94. Ayax says:
    @Anon

    You said “I’ll bet the two blacks who lolled off in the Starbucks store causing the initial “uproar” would never risk that in a Somali Coffee shop.”

    Why? Do Somali coffee shops have guns in there? Mixing Caffeine and guns is dangerous!

    • Replies: @Anon
  95. Blacks in Paris acting like Blacks in Baltimore.

    In both cases, import Africa, become Africa.



    Video Link

    • Agree: mark green
    • Replies: @René Fries
  96. Atam Gits says:

    “The White liberal is the worst enemy to America and the worst enemy to the Black man.” – Malcolm X

    • Agree: bike-anarkist
  97. SafeNow says:

    The genius of Starbucks was to give Americans permission to call a 500-calorie milkshake “coffee.” Magic! If Starbucks allows reality to puncture magical thinking in one respect, then the milkshake magic might also be punctured.

  98. Slide says:

    The conjob of schulz act to distance himself from his part in destruction, is pushing another con while pretending to disown his other cons. This con, ‘mental health’ bs, is an power con, same with ‘dementia’ bs the cons were pushing last decade. My perspective, further setup for cons to attack people. Remember cons made the fake ‘system’ to then inhabit and control and destroy through their con ‘govmnt’ state’ and ‘courts’ and ‘medicine’ and ‘skools’ –and made mouthpiece disguised as mass media con, ‘permitted’ by their con ‘fcc’.

    They in their fake skools made up bogus ‘psychiatry’ bs, to claim to be ‘authority’, same time push chemical drugs, yet dictate what ‘mental health’ is or not, as others of them spew ‘drug problems’ –while others of them do black market drug trade. Same psycho cons in 2019 instead of finaly stopping ‘elecro shock’ not only dictated stil ‘allowed’ -they Increased ‘acceptable levels of ‘treatment’. It is torture and fraudulent ‘fix’ con to destroy brain or otherwise autotomy, which between state cons and ‘red flag laws’ the many cons and false ‘court’ cons are set to dictate people be bagged and dragged. The co-con lawyers and judges part of schemes, continue theiving and abusing mass people using ‘mental health’ con.

    If people don’t reject and stop the cons schemes going on soon won’t be able. Not listen to fake media cons pretending to ‘care’ or ‘argue’or distract ‘lawsuits’ or some fake front ‘group’, I mean effort, sharing facts, off web. Suggest make few notes.

    Schultz is a con, logo multi masonic. Other cons used the crap chain as their hang outs. They don’t need their hang outs anymore because they have drones. Schultz contaminates the world with his con logo and bogus coffee. Stupid mermaid is con to have filth nipples in our face and israeli star.

    Mental health is viewing the cons and incursions as what they are, and using engery to reject. Supposed ‘constitution’ is a con. False ‘authority’ govmt and ‘courts’ are fraudulent force schemes.
    .

  99. HT says:

    White liberal? Howard Schultz is a Jew. Shocking, I know.

    • Agree: USGrant
  100. @KenH

    I just want people on the right to say certain things; we don’t need a “win at all costs” approach yet. For example, whenever leftists tout socialism, I want people on the right to talk about exploited adjuncts in academia. Academia is run by the left, so no one in it should be exploited, yet they are. So, count on people to be exploited if we get socialism. Yet, almost never do people on the right talk about the exploited adjuncts of academia.

    And whenever we hear about the climate crisis, I want people on the right to mention the ClimateGate scandal and then to add, “We don’t trust your science.” Yet, no one does mention it.

    When Obama was doing a deal with the Iranians, I wanted people on the right to remind people on the left that the Iranian regime had murdered lots of leftists. But no one would.

    And of course with all the talk about “systemic racism,” I want people on the right to continually remind them that the only systemic racism that exists is affirmative action, which favors rather than hurts blacks. But no one seems interested.

    Let’s use all the rhetorical tricks we can first.

  101. There are lots of contradictions on the left besides this one. Leftists want us to live in cities and use mass transit, but they encourage anti-social behavior (especially among blacks) which then repels the people they are trying to attract.

    Leftists claim to be for the poor, but they are also environmentalists, and so they choose expensive gasoline over cheap gasoline, thus hurting the poor.

    Leftists claim to be against hate, but they are as hateful as anyone.

    Leftists claim to be for democracy, yet they complain bitterly when democratic forces work against them.

    Leftists hate the police, yet they want only the police to have the weapons to deal with dangerous situations.

    Leftists hate the religious right, yet they like Muslims, who are generally much further to the right than the religious right is.

    I’m sure there are plenty more besides these.

    • Agree: Automatic Slim
    • Replies: @Detroit Refugee
  102. Stan says: • Website
    @Expat

    Conservatives have shockingly short memories.

    “It’s such a repugnant group of people. It’s like the worst of American society, and I got to flush the toilet of some of those people that kind of hijacked portions of the brand.”

    Hafer denounced public support from Kyle Rittenhouse – who killed two social justice protesters last summer and wore a Black Rifle shirt at his release on bail – and conservatives against the BLM movement.

  103. Furrbunny says:

    Entered one many years ago and never went back.
    Coffee tasted horrible and cost to much. They couldn’t give me that coffee for free.
    Seemed like a place for snobby educated liberals to hang out.

    • Replies: @Derer
  104. So let me see if I’ve got this straight. Starbucks enables the mental illness gymnastic called “wokeness” then calls on the locals to address “mental illness”? Sounds like they were announcing ahead of time that their stores needed closing.

  105. @Anon

    Wow! Somalia has coffee shops?

    • Replies: @Anon
  106. USGrant says:

    Starbucks stores become dirty crime infested homeless shelters. Best news of the day! Cheering on every sort of black and brown violent crime upon Starbucks its homoglobo employees and customers. FJB.

    • Replies: @Detroit Refugee
  107. Druid55 says:

    Howard Schultz announced at a rally for palestine in Seattle years ago that he donates 10% of Starbucks income to apartheid murderous pisrael. Hypocrite

    • Replies: @Jimmy1969
  108. @Emma S.

    Absolutely correct. I grew up stuck on an island with 1,000’s of them. OTOH, the other 5K would fit in right here.

  109. @Expat

    Black Rifle Coffee Company retail shops. It’s so obvious, I hope it’s already happening.

    The guys that very publicly and repeatedly denounced Kyle Rittenhouse before a single shred of evidence was in?

    Ok Civnat Boomer. (where did all of you come from here on Unz all of the sudden, did Breitbart comments section close down??)

    You go enjoy your BR Coffee with your fellow Civnats, we are all one race, the human race dontcha know!? There is a conservative waiting to jump out of every little brown illegal right?

  110. @USGrant

    Go negros! The White Libs are a target rich demographic. Pro tip my Dindus: they have the best tablets, cell phones, purses stuffed with cash, and the women will feel guilty for calling the police on you if you follow them into the bathroom. Go get some!

    • Replies: @haha
  111. Jimmy1969 says:

    The prices at Starbucks are high as well. My daughter in her first year of University a few years ago was running up a \$250 dollar a month bill just for a cookie and a tart and one of those Mokas every day. I shut that down real quick as I am paying. In addition where is the cash going to …the Jew Howard Schultz. Who does he give his billions too? It is not some right wing cause, you can be sure about that.

    • Thanks: Automatic Slim
  112. Corvinus says:

    “The company has carefully built this image. It has regularly funded explicitly and implicitly anti-white policies”

    Lol, what does anti-white even mean. Say, for example, a white man marries an Asian woman. They have children. Is that anti white? Or a whole woman has a family member who is black. Is the white woman obligated to isolate herself from the darkie lest she be deemed anti white?

  113. @John Pepple

    Their double standard on the environment angers me beyond words. They love an unbending stream of parasites, which is trashing the border areas.

  114. Jimmy1969 says:
    @Druid55

    Sorry that is not true. I never went into Starbucks for years and actually went down the street two blocks because of Howard Schultz. But he stated emphatically that Starbucks does not give a penny to Israel. So I started going back in for awhile until he ran against Trump for awhile…then I found out that he gives money to many left wing causes and I stopped again.

  115. Anon[760] • Disclaimer says:
    @John Pepple

    Affirmative action hurt a lot of white working class kids over many decades.

  116. haha says:
    @Reverend Goody

    “Fat girls like Starbucks”. Spot on! Fat girls and thin, soy men. And fools of all kind who like to pay to two times the money for an iffy coffee.

  117. haha says:
    @Detroit Refugee

    Now don’t be so cruel! Fools are to be pitied rather than hated. But then the fools have taken over things and are twice as cruel as anyone else can be.

  118. @John Pepple

    For example, whenever leftists tout socialism, I want people on the right to talk about exploited adjuncts in academia. Academia is run by the left, so no one in it should be exploited, yet they are.

    The US right will never question capitalist exploitation. It isn’t in their DNA. They would rather the ship go down as they sing “God bless thee Rand”. They can’t even admit that private healthcare is flawed. Just go back at look at how much Trump would flubb healthcare questions.

    US conservatives don’t mind losing. Half of them think God is going to fix it all anyways.

    And of course with all the talk about “systemic racism,” I want people on the right to continually remind them that the only systemic racism that exists is affirmative action, which favors rather than hurts blacks. But no one seems interested.

    The US right employs affirmative action. They will eagerly promote Black Republicans over better qualified Whites. Odds of them questioning Affirmative Action at this point is near zero. The GOP leadership takes the corporate attitude which is that race exists which is why Affirmative Action is needed. Merit based hiring doesn’t lead to enough Blacks in certain positions and that could make the masses assume it is racism.

    Let’s use all the rhetorical tricks we can first.

    It’s going to be revolution or bust. If a new movement gets us out of this mess it will be ruthless. There is no other way. Neither the left nor the right are going to allow a civil movement to make a mockery of their beliefs. They will in fact collude to keep such a movement out of the mainstream.

    • Replies: @Goddard
  119. a survey in 2013 found customers cared more about good service than good coffee.

    Well, that would explain why the coffee is crap.

  120. @Patrick Gibbs

    there is no reason to go to a Starbucks unless you need to take an emergency shit.

    I assume that’s how they “source” their “coffee.” Recycling, baby!

    • Replies: @Gary Sudder
  121. Hoyeru says:

    the usual UNZ article, “libtards are responsible for everything evil” blah blah… the fog or propaganda has reached people’s brains so deep, none of them can even see the obvious: the minute Starbux’s employees began unionizing, Starbux began closing stores.

  122. @follyofwar

    Another old shibboleth is “it’s darkest before the dawn.” But the dysfunctional dis-United States is headed for a very DARK place from which there won’t be a dawn – at least not in its present far-too-large and ungovernable form.

    It’s also darkest before complete destruction.

    But I’m actually optimistic about our future. Not saying it will be idealistic but the current circus isn’t sustainable.

    The establishment has spent billions upon billions trying to prove that Whites are no different than Aboriginals and the MSM will actually run a front page story about a Black guy that volunteers. No exaggeration.

    HEADLINE NEWS: HERE IS A BLACK GUY WHO HELPS OUT AT A SOUP KITCHEN

    They don’t even realize how much they have to compensate. It’s so absurd. Fox has a new movie about a wild partying White couple trying to corrupt a polite Black couple during their honeymoon.

    It’s like spending billions trying to prove that cats and dogs are the same and the best you can do is make a movie about a cat that loves dog food and fetches balls. It’s such a facepalm. There is no way this can continue. Eventually the DNA truth will come out. The left will switch to “race exists but we need these programs to make up for nature” but it won’t work. Whites will be furious when they figure out that they have been fleeced for over a trillion to pay for the lies of the left.

    The left is holding out until Whites are a minority so when the truth comes out an alliance can outvote them anyways. It won’t work though since if the US becomes like South Africa there won’t be a parent country to keep the Whites subservient to globalism.

  123. Anonymous[166] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reverend Goody

    You must live in an economically depressed area. All I ever see at Starbucks are upscale women and girls. Maybe you’re confusing it with Dunkin. Never chubby

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    , @Jay Fink
  124. KenH says:
    @John Pepple

    When Obama was doing a deal with the Iranians, I wanted people on the right to remind people on the left that the Iranian regime had murdered lots of leftists. But no one would.

    Frankly, the Iranian regime got it right in killing leftists. That’s the only way to deal with them. That’s why Pinochet of Chile rightly hunted them down. Tsarist Russia made a grave mistake in tolerating them and sharing power and led to the murder of at least 20 million people.

    Let’s use all the rhetorical tricks we can first.

    You overlook the fact that the rhetorical tricks you mention would have no effect because objective facts roll off of a leftist like water off a duck’s back. The Jewish led left’s greatest weapon is pathological lying and disinformation.

    • Replies: @John Pepple
  125. The US empire was and is a bad joke. Why would a burnt chain “coffee” shop be any different? The EU-ers, Taiwanians, Japanese etc. appear to “love” that place., whadda expect, they’re US vassals.

    Believe that US corporation had to leave AU and Israel because that “coffee” was awful quality and the populace had much higher coffee standards than USians et al.

    • Replies: @CCG
  126. @Anonymous

    You must live in an economically depressed area. All I ever see at Starbucks are upscale women and girls. Maybe you’re confusing it with Dunkin. Never chubby

    Has nothing to do with economically depressed areas.

    Pick any Starbucks and go there at noon.

    You will see fat chicks pick up drink carriers filled with milk slush for their coworkers. They call it lunch even though they will eat something else with it.

  127. Allan says:
    @Tommyloooo

    That ironic golem deserves some great reward for being so obtuse.

  128. @James J. O'Meara

    Yup! Their bathrooms are reasonably clean by USian standards. Take an urgent dump, or piss, however, do NOT drink any of their swill or consume the poor quality, overpriced USian “food” that they hustle. Starve the beast from their profiteering.

  129. Allan says:
    @John Johnson

    Nobody ever fixed an American idiot by letting it have a woman.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  130. Why even think of Starbucks, let alone patronize it and its owner and finance his politics/philosophy?

  131. @Jim Bob Lassiter

    Actually, you can see quite a bit of AM drive through window business done by on duty State Highway patrol”men” at a Starbucks that I pass by on a frequent basis. They can afford it I suppose, have no sense of who their enemies are, and don’t know what a good cup of coffee is. Most of the truck stops
    around here have better coffee and offer far better opportunities to actually work and bust some bad guys.

    I think the ‘Rona has changed thing a little bit. The wait in line used to be part of the “fun.” The anticipation. Checking out the other MILFs. (“Boy, she looks terrible in those pants!”) The pretend aggrievement. “I’m MUCH too busy to stand here.” (Sure you are, soccer mom. You just dropped your fat kids off at school and you’re on your way to yoga. Some people are busy, but you ain’t one of ’em.) Then they call you, by your name! Not a number. Your individual name. They know you and like you. It’s fucking brilliant. Plays into all sorts of female insecurities.

    Good point about the cops though. The locals have taken to heavily patrolling a stretch of road that leads nowhere but out of relatively nice community and into the business district. They spend all morning ticketing middle-aged white guys trying to get to work. And why not? No one is going to fight them. No one is going to shoot them. It’s easy pickings. A generous view might be that they are getting their “white guy” quota out of the way so they can do some real police work later in the month.

    • Agree: HdC
  132. “white liberals love what [Jamelle] Bouie calls “white spaces” that are orderly, efficient, quiet, and pleasant.” Yes, just what conservatives of any culture like because these conservatives are orderly, efficient, quiet, and pleasant.

  133. JackOH says:
    @RadicalCenter

    RadicalCenter, good catch. I had to look up Black Rifle. Sounds like a lot of bullshit faux to me.

  134. Bring back Freedom of Association. A business should be allowed to refuse service to anyone for any reason. We have FOA in our private homes but not in our private businesses even though it is your money on the line.

    • Agree: nokangaroos
  135. The coffee is beyond repulsive. It’s like sucking on charcoal and ass sweat with a heaping of PC woke joke and support the troopers nonsense. Symbolism and capitalism.

    Most USians do not know what good coffee tastes like or even is. They seem to “enjoy” the poor quality roasted beans loaded with fake sugars, and artificial flavors with superficial names. Metaphor of the failed empire. All sizzle no steak.

    • Agree: Ray Caruso
  136. When there is so much jewing that even the jews are getting jewed…..this means we’ve reached peak jew.

  137. Goddard says:
    @John Johnson

    It’s going to be revolution or bust. If a new movement gets us out of this mess it will be ruthless. There is no other way.

    Democracy is dying; Caesar is coming. Our task is to ensure that the Caesar we get is a right-wing and race-realist Caesar.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  138. Gee, I used to go to Starbucks to buy coffee. “Used to” is the key. I haven’t been in quite some time. Also, there are better coffee alternatives in my neck of the woods.

    I’d say Starbucks is bound to fail as a stand alone company. Maybe some sort of hedge fund will buy it and sell off its assets.

  139. Hitmarck says:
    @Irish Savant

    Yes. A slur, iirc for homosexuals, doesnt really matter. It was deliberate and JF instructed and warned Greg. It was on a Youtube life stream.

    Impuls control, in case it wasnt sabotage, like a person of color.

  140. Cuckooville

  141. @KenH

    Unless our side adopts a “win at all costs” and the end justifies the means mentality like the Jewish led left then we will lose the nation which we arguably have already.

    “Win at all costs.” ” The end justifies the means.”

    Is there anywhere you’d draw a line? Assassination, kidnapping, torture, cancelling Jews or wokeniks?

    The 1930s Spanish Civil War shows what savagery is released when those are the rules. Regardless of which side one favored, terror for everyone was the outcome.

    I agree with you: dissidents need to adopt a harder line against the Jewish/globalist establishment. No good winning every debate but losing every battle. But our tactics should be strong and determined, not vicious, or what is gained?

    • Replies: @Ray Caruso
    , @Goddard
  142. How about this as a form of protest against this exceedingly Jewy company? Take a dump in their toilet—obviously without making a purchase—then unspool one or two rolls of toilet paper and throw it in there as well. Don’t flush.

    Another one: go to their drive-through, order a bunch of stuff and once it’s ready, just drive off. Since you didn’t get the coffee, it’s not theft. You just changed your mind about drinking their awful, acidic, overpriced coffee.

  143. @Etruscan Film Star

    Whites should wage a no-holds barred war against liberals and non-Whites and upon victory expel apolitical non-Whites and mass-execute all the rest. We are talking our survival, to which liberals and their non-White allies have made clear they are opposed. Any generosity shown to them is stupid and weak.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  144. @RadicalCenter

    Not only that, but they turned on Kyle Rittenhouse for defending himself and insulted their customers in a NYT interview:

    “I hate racist, Proud-Boyish people. Like, I’ll pay them to leave my customer base. I would gladly chop all of those people out of my f**king customer database and pay them to get the f**k out.”

    I never had that Black Rifle crap. It sounded like a gimmick to me. If you have a good product, you don’t have to get political. Appealing to politics to sell an unrelated product is inherently dishonest, and being dishonest, the assholes at Black Rifle lied about their politics as well. Like a lot of “our troops”—in reality, the Jews’ mercs—they are liberals.

    • Thanks: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Alrenous
  145. @A Texan

    And now we’re getting whining out of the District of Corruption because the governors of Texas and Arizona are sending busloads of illegal aliens there to partake of the town’s famous gentility, generosity and inclusiveness.

    https://nypost.com/2022/07/28/dc-mayor-bowser-requests-national-guard-help-as-migrants-arrive/

    With luck, San Fran Nan, AOC, Ilhan Omar and so many other DC luminaries will soon have the opportunity to emote about this for the TV cameras.

  146. @John Pepple

    There was NO ‘Climategate Scandal’, just the usual Rightwing psychopaths’ pathetic lies. Anthropogenic climate destabilisation is SCIENCE ie hypothesis, thesis and experimentation and observation. It does not belong to anyone but the same and those intelligent enough to discuss it.

    • Troll: Automatic Slim
  147. @KenH

    This rhetoric would have some effect. First, not everyone who buys into the left’s lies is as committed as the most committed are. For young people and for those who are just slightly left-of-center, it might provoke them to start questioning things when they learn that Muslims in Iran murdered a lot of leftists. It might provoke at least one young student in college to ask about the plight of adjuncts.

    Second, it forces them to talk about things they prefer to keep hidden.

  148. Starbucks essentially became a homeless shelter

    …as has our national railways company CFL (Chemins de Fer Luxembourgeois) since the day travelling by train did no longer cost anything (except when you travel in 1st class)

  149. Well, they are from Seattle.

  150. Jay Fink says:
    @Anonymous

    Your description sounds like the Starbucks of 20+ years ago.

  151. @Allan

    Nobody ever fixed an American idiot by letting it have a woman.

    A woman can completely fix those men. Not at a DNA level but a woman can keep them from spending 5k on a truck instead of saving for a home.

    In case you didn’t notice Whites are being outbred and outvoted. These “muh militia” jacked up truck guys can spend their money on kids instead of \$2500 AR-15s.

  152. Anon[483] • Disclaimer says:
    @Carroll price

    Wow! Somalia has coffee shops?

    They sure do Baby, in Somalia and in the US and Canada. So do the Ethopians.

    However , I was talking about the shops in the US. There is one down the road. It serves a delicious brew with condensed milk, not that asphalt \$6 a cup shit Joobucks slops out. Mostly Somali men congregate there.

    Unlike Afro American establishments the place has a safe feeling about it, the patrons are polite and there is never any offensive behaviour or language ie Afro Americans will not go there and fuck around ! I cant imagine why LOL

    When I first started going there I was the only white and this raised some eyebrows. Now the mix is 50/50 more or less but more and more East Indians are showing up.

  153. @Goddard

    It’s going to be revolution or bust. If a new movement gets us out of this mess it will be ruthless. There is no other way.

    Democracy is dying; Caesar is coming. Our task is to ensure that the Caesar we get is a right-wing and race-realist Caesar.

    Democracy would be fine if we didn’t have a media/government complex that wants to believe a fantasy narrative so badly that they would country rather than face the truth.

    But yes overall I agree. We will get a racial-realist Ceasar or some type of populist/nationalist leftist. Could be some type of third way that no one sees coming. In any case it won’t be globalist left or right.

    • Replies: @Goddard
  154. @Ray Caruso

    Any generosity shown to them is stupid and weak.

    I don’t know where he thinks this gentlemanly debate is supposed to take place.

    The MSM locks out any real opposition. They’re not going to interview someone that undermines the narrative.

    That includes Fox News. They are establishment serving and don’t dare threaten the lie of race not existing. As with the Wall St Journal they push libertarian race denial fantasy. They also won’t cover certain stories that might poke the polar bear. They will only cover Black crime if it is the context of “bad Democrats” holding them back through godless socialist policies and such.

  155. alma123 says:

    I’d like to know what % of Starbucks’ revenue comes from international stores. In SE Asia, Starbucks is quite popular with office workers, and prices for coffee are what they are in the US, for people in countries with a fraction of US monthly income. I think it’s sort of a status thing for them, or maybe a cheap trip to the West once a day. In any case, what I’ve always thought of these coffee stores is that they’re really dessert shops. Coffee-flavored sugar and fat.

    • Replies: @Alrenous
  156. Anon[483] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ayax

    You said “I’ll bet the two blacks who lolled off in the Starbucks store causing the initial “uproar” would never risk that in a Somali Coffee shop.”

    Why? Do Somali coffee shops have guns in there? Mixing Caffeine and guns is dangerous!

    =====================================================================
    LOL.

    Back in the early 80’s I used to hang out in the Bronx near to Tracey Towers. There was a clear divide. On one side was Puerto Rican and the other side Negroes. I would get off the last subway stop at 2/3 am and walk home and NEVER have a problem. On the Negro side the sirens went all night.

    From time to time a black would come over to the PR side and for example, order a meal, eat half and demand a refund because it “tasted” funny. OR they would eat and run away without paying. This usually happened on the PR side of the “border” until one day several well dressed Hispanics put a serious beating on a black man for this practice. That scam ended there and then.

    I was chatting on the sidewalk one day when the guy I was with showed me two black guys on the the other side. He said they were muggers and would slam an old black pensioner down on the cement and rob him/her of the few dollars they had. Then he showed me an old P/Rican woman who collected money for the PR numbers Vatos. The two black boys could have mugged her for probably close to \$1000 at any given time but they never did. Why, because they would be caught and their hands shoved into a machine that stripped the feathers off chickens.

    Afro Americans do what they do because they get away with it. The two fuckers who caused all the problems at the Starbucks KNEW they would never be held accountable AND that the CEO would grovel after the appropriate protests.

    Not a single Afro American would enter a Somali establishment and act like a cunt. They would get seriously fucked up as a matter of course.

    In Africa there is a saying “The Monkey knows which limb to jump on !”

    Afro Americans act like assholes because they are permitted to, grovelled to and even get an apology. Once whites (and other races) take off the gloves this will come to an end. Afro Americans know which limb to jump on !

  157. dimples says:
    @ricpic

    I’ve tried many coffee products but have always come back to Nescafe Blend 43 as a latte. I find it best to buy it in bulk when it’s on special otherwise it can be quite expensive.

  158. dimples says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    What’s Mulgabrain’s obsession with the global warming scam all about? I’m freezing my butt off at the moment. Climate czar Flim Flannery promised us an endless drought but it keeps raining all the time and there’s algae growing everywhere it’s so damp.

  159. @mulga mumblebrain

    First, yes, there was a scandal, and it wasn’t just lies by rightwing psychopaths. What the emails showed was that “scientists” were manipulating the data and manipulating the peer-review process. As far as I can tell, that changed a lot of people’s minds, but we have to keep talking about it so that young people who weren’t around when that happened will know that they are being hoodwinked.

    Second, you say that science is “hypothesis, thesis and experimentation and observation.” Yes, that’s part of it. But often it’s not as straightforward as that. What do you do when you end up with conflicting observations? Or when later observations conflict with what was thought to be settled observations? Or when everyone who is allowed into the field (or allowed to publish) is willing to lie about results “for the greater good?” Or when the media takes the least likely projection and insists that we must act on it now before it’s too late? Science is often murky, yet our media insists that everything is settled. It isn’t. Climate science is murky, and it’s really better and more honest to admit that than to lie about the matter.

    Third, as many have already pointed out many times before, but which needs to be said again, in the mid-1970s we were being warned about a coming ice age. Yet, just thirteen years later, we were told that global warming was a huge threat. Anyone who remembers, as I do, those earlier predictions is entitled to skepticism on the current scaremongering. Moreover, I’ve never heard anyone explain what the scientists of the 1970s did wrong. Plus, if we are in a climate crisis today, then we were also in one back in the 1930s when so many temperature records were set. Yet, we somehow got out of that “crisis” without doing anything.

    Finally, one thing you leave out of your description is peer-review, which has a gatekeeping function on which observations get publicized and which do not. Before the ClimateGate scandal, there seems to have been lots of people who thought of peer review as a neutral and objective process, but who suddenly came to realize that it could be corrupted. I myself had many years of experience with peer review, and let me say that it sucks. Steven E. Koonin in his book Unsettled (p. 201) says that he pushed climate scientists to have a blue team/red team debate in order to shore up areas where climate science was weak. And of course the climate scientists rejected it, saying that peer review was good enough. It isn’t. And why would they reject such a debate, unless they have something to hide?

    I’d be willing to change my mind if they were to have such a debate, but they won’t. Our elites don’t like debates on the evidence because they think everything is already settled. It has been “settled” by them, of course, with us serfs not being allowed to question anything.

    Pick your side. You can have the pseudo-science of our elites, which (when dealing with anything controversial) is mostly lies and wishful thinking and the censorship of those with contrary views, or actual science, which allows for questioning and constant re-evaluation of results and theories.

    • Agree: HdC
  160. Goddard says:
    @John Johnson

    Hat tip to you, John. Been following you awhile.

  161. Goddard says:
    @Etruscan Film Star

    [O]ur tactics should be strong and determined, not vicious …

    Our side should be hammering Etruscan’s point to our youth, especially young men. Inner strength and determination are the pathway to self-conquest as well as external conquest. Viciousness is succumbing to the enemy within.

    To the Left we say, it’s not that we hate you; it’s that you are in our way.

    We are human, however, and we may not be able to quell completely the hatred we bear toward some of our enemies. In our well-trained hearts, however, hatred is an accessory, never the prime mover. Our prime mover is our steely determination.

  162. @mulga mumblebrain

    “(…) an dieser Stelle spricht Lichtenberg (1742-1799) von dem Problem möglicher periodischer Schwankungen der Sonnenstrahlung und der Abhängigkeit von Klimaveränderungen von diesen / there Lichtenberg (1742-1799) speaks of the problem of possible periodic variations of the insolation and the dependence of climate variations from these”, Hans Blumenberg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Blumenberg ), Wirklichkeiten in denen wir leben, Verlag Phil. Reclam, Stuttgart, Buch Nr. 7715, p. 159. Lichtenberg died 80 years before Milutin Milanković was born, after whom are named the “Quasiperiodic variations in insolation, known as Milankovitch cycles”, which “serve as a primary control on climate change” (https://www.pnas.org/content/115/25/6363). Thereupon: IF CO2 really is the bad guy, how do you explain that the late ordovicium was an ice age, with an atmospheric CO2 concentration of >4000 ppm, or how possibly could there be, since the last ice age, 8 (eight) periods during which the Alpine glaciers were shorter than today? [source: the Dutch scientific monthly Natuurwetenschap en techniek (NWT) 4/2010]. The industrial revolution came millions/ten thousands/hundreds of years AFTER these occurrences.

  163. Alrenous says: • Website

    Tucker Carlson and George Alexopoulus have noted that, somehow, Democrat cities and neighbourhoods are usually lily-white. Almost as if they’re just lying and they hate minorities more than e.g. Republicans or the KKK do.

    It’s a class thing. Anti-white stuff isn’t anti-white, it’s anti-wrongwhite.

    Because egalitarianism, class and status infighting has to get all weird. Everyone has to constantly reassure themselves they’re not the omega loser. Nobody can feel secure, because if they openly flout their higher status, they will lose that status as a result of deprecating the State religion, egalitarianism.

    Starbucks is supposed to be able to open its bathrooms because it lives so far from anyone criminal that it won’t suffer. Same way women can support divorce because nearly 90% of upper-class women know better than to get a divorce. Luxury beliefs…luxury professions, anyway, as they’re mainly just lying to try to get the lower classes to do something stupid.

    Oh, but, oops. Turns out Starbucks isn’t really that high class. And indeed that’s the point; Starbucks not being able to get away with it sharply contrasts with the Georgetown types who totally can get away with it.

    Lying to get the lower classes to do something stupid works like a charm.

    • Replies: @Chris Moore
  164. Alrenous says: • Website
    @alma123

    Starbucks offers the high-class experience. Hire a cook to make your food, and a scullery to clean up your dishes for you.

    The coffee sucks; Starbucks knows its customers. They’re not there for the food.

    There’s a bit of Veblenian consumption too. Starbucks costs 10x or more what it would cost you to make the thing at home. It’s not even faster overall if you consider travel time. “You’re not a poor are you? Are you telling me you can’t afford to waste 90% of the price of a coffee?”

    As always, I recommend being so rich you can afford to be seen avoiding waste. However, Americans feel super low class when they have to wash their own coffee machine…

  165. @René Fries

    Ok let’s not turn every single thread into a debate about global warming.

    Unz is unique in that it allows us to discuss something like what really happens at Starbucks in urban areas.

    There are a thousand places to debate global warming.

    • Agree: René Fries
    • Replies: @Detroit Refugee
  166. Alrenous says: • Website
    @Ray Caruso

    America is a Fascist country and all companies above 500 employees are de-facto owned by the State.

    Companies which are (or plan to be) larger than 500 individuals can’t afford to go around disparaging the State religion. Most likely they’ll be EEOC’d. Hostile work environment. They’ll bribe someone to make up a #metoo thing…assuming there isn’t a genuine male feminist already around. At worst their business model will be regulated out of existence, which is what happened to the oil and coal companies.

    • Agree: EdwardM, Ray Caruso
  167. @Morten

    the elites in media, politics and more

    what elites?

    Looking to elites in history, I see the epoch of Sokrates and Platon in Athens, followed by that of Mucius Scaevola in Rome; then a long time there comes nothing, and then come Friedrich II the Great and his Prussians. That’s it.

  168. @Vergissmeinnicht

    Don’t support Jew loving AmRen.

    • Replies: @mark green
  169. Escher says:
    @G. Poulin

    I don’t know.
    Some of us love the smell of charcoal in the morning.

  170. @Alrenous

    “The coffee sucks; knows its customers. They’re not there for the food.” Spot on!

    The Asiatic CONsumers (like the WASPs and bananas/bobas) are in the burned US empire chain “coffee” shit house for 1 reason. To be seen.

    It’s the “experience”. The fake love, name calling, we stand for this, that, the other, the feel of the spirit of the “holidays”, the sizzle of “pride”. It’s textbook Eddie Bernays’ US style propaganda experience (“marketing”).

    SE asians appear to love these US empire places perhaps due to ‘prestige’/’gourmet’ factor? Or copious amnts of propaganda that the US extends to its’ puppet colonies.

    Even though the “coffee” is of typically poor american ‘quality,’ many drinks are simply artificially sugared and fake flavored concoctions for Type II diabetes-leg amputations anyone?—the SE Asian vassals do not seem to mind as they suck one after the other for beaucoup bucks! Might as well have a US empire flag in one hand and an Uncle Scam hat on as they sip swill.

    • Replies: @Alrenous
  171. @Vergissmeinnicht

    Drinking coffee is bad for white man. Drink spring water and tea – herbal teas! Dandelion coffee is good.

  172. The two liberals I know never drink coffee. So Starbuck’s coffee tastes like battery acid. Who’d ever know?

  173. Alrenous says: • Website
    @Gary Sudder

    many drinks are simply artificially sugared and fake flavored concoctions

    Even a simpleton can add sugar to hide the awful flavour of the coffee. They’re not completely masochistic.

    for Type II diabetes-leg amputations anyone?

    Being healthy is inegalitarian. Makes the sick ones jealous.

  174. @Alrenous

    Buck Star Cucks!

    Never been. Never will.
    Not too lazy to brew at pot at home, and I don’t mind washing my own dishes. I’m weird in that I kind of enjoy it. Mowing, weeding, and everything that goes with lawn care too.

  175. @John Johnson

    I agree J.J.
    I, for one, am grateful for the platform here.
    Now, I’d like to see the left discuss all the environmental horrors their pets are causing.

  176. anonymous[604] • Disclaimer says:
    @Diversity Heretic

    Schadenfreude?!

    You whitevil supremacist dumbfucks don’t see the irony?

    You are the ones getting fucked, from the front and back, top and bottom. Even that laughably moronic bleach-up-your-ass keep-amrika-dumb orange lump of lard fucked you all. He is the perfect reflection of your kind. The lowest of low of what passes for a human, barely.

    We on the opposite side are the ones tasting the sweet nectar of schadenfreude, as you vermin helplessly witness your pagan godless evilisation rot from the inside.

    You are rejoicing Starbucks closing 17 stores? That is pathetic.

    You feckless cunts are so impotent that the only thing you spiritual and mental losers are capable of is whining in these rabid right-wing echo chambers.

    Are you hateful bastards capable of anything more than jerking off around here? Seriously! You are all she-males!

    • Replies: @HdC
    , @schnelladine
  177. @dimples

    You need to get worried and do something. Heat, cold, rain, fog, dampness, mildew algae are all caused by climate change.

    At least that’s what Greta said.

  178. CCG says:
    @Gary Sudder

    Don’t lump all Europeans in the same boat. Starbucks is also not doing so well in Southern Europe (Italy, Portugal). Positive reviews are mainly from foreign tourists.

    • Replies: @Gary Sudder
  179. Windows says:

    All I have to say about Starbucks is this: Jews.

  180. HdC says:
    @anonymous

    Why the PC act? Be honest and tell us how you REALLY feel. It’ll be cathartic for you.

  181. Atle says:

    Ultra illuminating analysis. I’ll never look at Starbucks the same way again. Thanks.

  182. JackOH says:

    FWIW–I think some folks above mentioned that Starbucks coffee had been pretty good, but then the quality declined.

    Gillette had some serious quality problems around 2007 after Procter & Gamble took it over. After a few years of buying their increasingly costly premium razors, I started shaving with a brush and double-edged razor. The up-front costs were a bit high, but it’s fun sorting through old-school brushes, razors, and what-not. After you put your rig together, per shave costs plummet, and you can get barbershop quality shaves most of the time.

    Then Gillette put out those “woke” TV commercials. That alienated more onetime Gillette customers. See, for example, the reviews for the Bic Flex 5 that say they switched from Gillette because that commercial alienated them so much.

    My point? I don’t trust corporations’ “political messaging” or “image messaging” much. Maybe some businesses feel some need to do it. I just think it distracts, potentially alienates, and potentially conceals serious fundamental corporate problems.

  183. Ed Case says:
    @RadicalCenter

    Depends.
    If I expected the cops to show up promptly in an emergency, then i’d serve them for free while they’re on duty.
    Keep in mind that the cops are under no obligation to help out, no matter the situation.

    • Agree: JamesinNM
    • Replies: @JamesinNM
  184. JamesinNM says:

    Freedom and liberty? The ability to choose with whom you desire to associate? Are private clubs going to become the norm?

  185. JamesinNM says:
    @Ed Case

    Yes, police serve the corporation that is posing as government. They do not serve the people.

  186. JamesinNM says:
    @John Pepple

    Any controversy should promote blue/red review or there is probably something rotten in Denmark. Truth can withstand the most rigorous scrutiny, but a lie cannot.

    • Agree: HdC
  187. @Alden

    “Don’t get too excited. Starbucks has about 9 thousand stores and closed I think 17”

    That’s right. There s two relatively new ones about one mile away and they are building one about half a mile away.

    • Disagree: Derer
  188. Anon[142] • Disclaimer says:
    @dimples

    LOL Dimples. I have had to keep an ice pack (for my balls) , a nut warmer (also for the gonads) and a sweater in my car. A week or so ago it was 97 F followed by 96 F and everyone jumped on the climate change donkey for a ride.

    Then it plummeted to 66 and today it is 77. I went out the other night and there was a dampness that got into a person’s bones. If I had a breakdown on the highway I would have went down with hypothermia.

    Personally, the temperature could stay at 97 all year. Especially during winter I hate having to put on 4 layers of clothes to go out for a bag of milk.

    People would be surprised to know that 6000 years ago the Sahara was fertile. We also went through an ice age. This hot and cold here and there is how the earth works. One minute the “scientists” are screaming its getting cold, the next it is getting hot, until some smart Alec suspected the public might become wise to the handjob and this came up with the phrase “Climate Change”.

    Nevertheless, the final proof is that all the climate change touts buy spiffy mansions seaside. The rich fucks in the Hamptons and Martha’s Vineyard know the whole thing is a load of shite or they would be mountain dwellers.

    The world would be a better place without 24/7 commentary on every little thing, Covid, Monkey Fucks and Climate Change being some of the daily “catastrophies”. Americans need to get a fucking life and stop complicating their happiness by listening to shits like Fauci and cuckoo Greta.

    • Agree: René Fries
    • Replies: @Alrenous
  189. Derer says:
    @Furrbunny

    Agreed! Except the last sentence should be edited and updated to “lazy homeless society” instead of “snobby educated liberals”.

  190. Caffe Nero seems to be what Starbucks once was. A nice place to be for a while with other nice people. I miss my old Starbucks. 😔

  191. Ed Case says:
    @dimples

    Old (((( Mulga)))), eh?
    9,057 Comments in 18 months, that might be a record.
    And it’s only one of his many accounts.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  192. Notalib says:

    Wouldn’t drink that coffee if I got it free for life. Haven’t been in a Starbucks in years you can smell the lefties

  193. @Priss Factor

    The Guinean cardinal Robert Sarah: “Wer halb Afrika aufnimmt, rettet nicht Afrika, sondern wird selbst Afrika! / Whoever takes in half of Africa doesn’t save Africa but becomes Africa himself!“ https://michael-mannheimer.net/2019/11/25/afrikanischer-kardinal-legt-sich-mit-papst-an-massenmigration-eliminiert-europa/

  194. @dimples

    Climate czar Flim Flannery promised us an endless drought

    and “Al Gore warned the Arctic ice would disappear by 2014. (…) To the contrary, the latest data show Arctic sea ice is still very much present and is currently running above the average of the last decade (…)”, https://notrickszone.com/2022/07/26/climatologists-embarrassed-increase-in-global-co2-levels-accompanied-by-arctic-sea-ice-growth/.

    IPCC Climate models (garbage in, garbage out) and measurements [“Moreover, UAH global mean temperature anomaly hasn’t risen in eight years as well”, the trend being – 0,01 in 8 years, https://notrickszone.com/2022/07/22/global-warming-has-stalled-over-much-of-the-last-10-years-arctic-never-melted-away/ ] seemingly do not often coincide.

    My guess is MM still suffers of the al Gore shock.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  195. @JM

    Not if they change their names again.

  196. Chris Moore says: • Website
    @Alrenous

    Lying to get the lower classes to do something stupid works like a charm.

    And yet lying is itself a low class trait. Which is the problem with ((Jew)) infected societies: the pathological liars, hucksters and organized Zionist criminals are considered “high class.”

    With “high class” criminals like Joe “I am a Zionist” Biden and his lib-neocon gang running the show, is it any surprise that junior gang-banger criminals are running amok?

    And yet these anti-Christ criminals have the chutzpah to bitch about a lawless environment that they themselves cultivated? Typical hypocrite ((Jew)) gripe.

  197. @CCG

    Thank you Sir, Madam for the response.

    However, many Western Europeans appear to love that place and all things USian (restos proudly stating US/NY/Shitcago, etc..etc.. including, cheese burgers, wings, cheesecakes, huge sundaes, and other vile swill from that massive mistake) from reviews in French, Luxembourgish, Italien, Brasilien etc.. Unless they are going out of business, then they’re still in business-usa empire styles.

    Generalities are generally true. If that US empire corporation is not doing so well in specifically-Southern Europe (Italy) and Portugal-it is likely bc those folks potentially know real coffee and maybe they do not want to support the US empire. However, the question remains then why does Italy have thousands of US troopers/bases there ? The Western Europeans/running dog lackeys must want what the US empire is offering and lap it up.

  198. @Anonymous

    When someone noticed the original Starbucks logo (turned upside down) was a Baphomet, they revamped it, but the Jewish revolutionary spirit and intent remains, namely to turn everything inside out and upside down.

    My guess is that the 2018 incident with the 2 “gentlemen of color” was scripted and coordinated with their MSM. Isn’t this latest “news” about Starbucks closing 16 stores pushing the same agenda?

    They absolutely love the numbers 6 and 19. 16 is an upside down 19. As above, so below.

    Note Starbucks logo is green, a color which I am seeing a lot of in the news, particularly with regards to Ukraine.

    Zelensky loves to wear green when he appears in the MSM. How perfect since his name “Zelensky” means green in Russian.

  199. SOL says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Demand POC representation on their boards and corporate management ranks.

  200. @YesYesCircle

    Don’t support Jew loving AmRen.

    Go easy. AmRen publishes a lot of excellent material (including this article.) Yes, Jared Taylor avoids the Jewish issue, which is unfortunate; but so do a lot of outstanding commentators and politicians. Here’s a short list of paleo-conservatives (and libertarians) who I trust and admire: Ron and Rand Paul, Tucker Carlson, Jim Jordan, Thomas Massie, Tulsi Gabbard (Democrat), and Marjorie Taylor Greene, among others. These people are out fighting for us, doing a lot of good work, but they don’t want to get the David Duke treatment so they leave the colossal Jewish problem for others.

    This strategy is hardly perfect but it’s better than what the other 99% of pols and chatterboxes are doing. Sometimes it doesn’t pay to fight a war on two fronts. At least AmRen is advocating for White interests. This is an significant step in the right direction. Taylor’s niche is therefore important. And perilous. He takes a lot of heat for it. Ditto for V-Dare.

    Sadly, when political advocacy turns into ‘antisemitism’, the SHTF big time and money starts to dry up. The chosen people are masters at imposing harsh punishment for ‘speech infractions’ involving them. Politicians and public intellectuals understand this unspoken rule very well. They fear the Zions.

    I am very grateful to men such as Ron Unz, Philip Giraldi, and Kevin MacDonald. But not everyone can travel on such a high-risk road.

    • Replies: @YesYesCircle
  201. @René Fries

    Neither Al Gore or Tim Flannery is a climate scientist. Both made somewhat extreme predictions that will however, barring a miracle, occur before 2050.
    The great disconnect is not between the abject cretinous and malevolence lunacy of the outright denialist scum, but between the prognostications of the IPCC Reports (dumbed-down to achieve consensus with Evil regimes like Saudi Arabia and Australia)and reality. There the process of climate destabilisation has proceeded much faster than the IPCC’s ‘pessimistic’ forecasts, yet the mainstream in climate science still cling to imbecilities like ‘staying under 1.5 degrees Celsius’, now absolutely impossible. In fact, the next ‘El Nino’ if they still can be thus described, when planetary temperatures generally rise on average, will see 1.5 disappearing in the rear vision mirror as we sail past numerous points of no return. I am certain that will please you no end.

  202. @Ed Case

    This is my only extant account (save for an odd outburst). I believe my monicker has been filched by those wishing to slander me by posting rubbish, but, really, who cares? It’s my little hobby.

  203. @René Fries

    Well, Rene, CO2 and other greenhouse gas levels are only one, (if a crucial one), factor in the Earth’s climate system. The main driver, as in everything, more or less, is the Sun. Variations in solar radiance affect Earth climate, as do greenhouse gas levels, the distribution of land masses and seas (very different in the Ordovician)and the degree to which the Earth is covered by vegetation.
    The Sun has been slowly warming over the eons, and vulcanism has at times severely affected the atmosphere, as during the Siberian and Deccan Traps mega-eruptions. The recent glaciations during our current Ice Age, the Late Cenozoic Ice Age (one of six in planetary history that we are aware of)include the latest, the Quaternary Glaciation that began 2.58 million years ago. We are at the end, (or just after it), of the Holocene interglacial, a period of warmer temperatures brought about by the Milankovitch Cycles of which you speak.
    ‘Normally’ as during the last 2.58 million years, we would be slowly descending back into another glaciation period, but the forcing of excess greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, and their heat trapping property, has delayed that for now. Shorter glaciers were known during earlier interglacials, but their shortening and growth occurred over time spans one or two orders of magnitude slower that at present. That’s the real killer-the pace of climate destabilisation. That’s what is going to kill you, and us all, bar a few unhappy survivors.

  204. Patricus says:
    @Dumbo

    Their coffee is overpriced and over roasted. McDonalds or 7-11 coffee is much better and much cheaper.

    • Replies: @Smashed Squash
  205. Starbucks is a canary in the coalmine for jews. Starbucks and whole foods.

  206. @Patricus

    Eight O Clock coffee is still the best balanced American coffee brand I’ve tasted in my 65 years.

  207. @Maowasayali

    So he does own long sleeve shirts?

    • Replies: @Maowasayali
  208. @anonymous

    Now that diatribe was a little over-the-top, even for a scared jewboy such as yourself.

  209. Greenwashing is fantastic for the business enterprise masquerading as a “country”.

    Hu\$tlers and hucksters for anything: Solar, green, recycle, special toilet paper, whatever– sell anything and everything. That’s what “life” is abt to most USians. 330+ million used car salesmen/ grifters.

    We stand for this, that, the other, e.g., coffee cup recycling, flatus recycling, etc. write abt it for PR outputs in the corporate “news” etc. to manufacture CONsent within the dolt populace.

    • Replies: @JackOH
  210. Fantum2 says:

    I don’t drink coffee. It stunts my growth.
    I always thought that Starbucks was a place where upper level elites could go to see other upper lever elites drink coffee that they could get at WalMart or KMart.
    Many enjoy paying more for something if it makes them look good to others.

  211. JackOH says:
    @Gary Sudder

    Gary, when I’m feeling pretty crappy, which is often, I sometimes describe half our fellow Americans as hustlers, potential or actual, looking for a grift they can call their own, illegal if needs must but legal preferred, and all together worshipping at America’s unrecognized establishment church, Our Lady of Perpetual Bullshit.

    The worst Blacks excel at “ultra-violence” (Burgess?), which is explained away, and the worst Whites excel at Orwellian rhetoric that conceals their sadism and perfidy, and that, too, is explained away.

    What about America’s other half? Decent folks, mostly, and completely at the mercy of the shuck and jive artistes.

    • Replies: @Gary Sudder
  212. CSFurious says:

    Why don’t these cities spend some money on homeless bathrooms and/or access to clean water?

    • Agree: Gary Sudder
  213. @Jeffrey Freeman

    It’s summertime… and the livin’s easy…  

    Zelensky did not wear short-sleeve green T-shirts until the war… which is very casual and also very odd.

    Of course, everything is symbolic with the Cabal.

    Starbucks is color linked with the war in Ukraine and both are ultimately linked with the “New Green Deal” aka the “Great Reset.”

    How real is the war in Ukraine when Zelensky and his wife just appeared in a fashion shoot for “Vogue?”

    And as early as March or about 4 weeks after the war started, The New York Times did a feature article not on the war but on Zelensky’s new found love of wearing “olive green tees”. 

    But then again, The New York Times is a fake news outlet and Zelensky is the Cabal’s crisis actor, just like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (AOC)– “father of the Green New Deal.” 

    Note the green scarf (the color is identical to Starbucks) on AOC as she is being led away by a policeman at a recent protest… and supposedly in handcuffs. LOL

    • Thanks: Jeffrey Freeman
  214. @JackOH

    Thank you JackOh for your thoughtful analysis.

    ~98.7% of USians are hustlers and hucksters. The reason why the US empire failed was bc the populace were buffoons. They want what the US is offering and voluntarily participate-the “top down” approach as espoused by Chomsky, Hedges, et al is laughable. Most USers are not at any willful mercy. It is not ‘rape’, it’s consensual sex.

    The USians eagerly participate in the huckstering, hustling, MIC, war mongering, no health care, no employment rights, etc. They ‘want’ what’s being offered-they like it, or are apathetic. The US is about \$ and status-I gut mine, f you philosophies, and that’s it: Lord, why don’t ya buy me a Mercedes Benz, that’s the USer mindset.

    Even homeless folks have large US empire flags affixed to their cars-they’re the most patriotic and have been likely screwed over by the the US the most. Yet, they will suck it up and die in US as long as they can hustle and have hope of becoming a millionaire/ billionaire some day.

    The business of the america is business, it ‘s a business enterprise NOT a country. It was a massive mistake filled with self-absorbed, self-satisfied, smug assholes all trying to get their piece of that pie; howver, what if the entire was rotten? Anger, depression, etc..

    Paging Anne Kuebler-Ross.

  215. JackOH says:

    Gary, here’s a quick story I think supports your thinking.

    I was talking to a union guy who knew the inside skinny about unions. He pretty much told me all or most union leaders are outright corrupt, not necessarily by direct bribes, but by good salaries, co-opting by management, and the dues check-off, which has employers collecting dues from pay checks, so union leaders don’t even have to meet with the workers to get the dough.

  216. @Alden

    Is there even any such thing as blue collar bar regulars anymore? \$60 a week would be good for about one solid night of drinking in the relatively low-cost Midwest city where I live. I could easily see an actual regular bar patron spending \$200-300 a week, especially if they’re drinking import beer, booze or wine and eating there. That would annualize to over \$10k on the low end.

    Young people must watch reruns of Cheers with confusion as to how anyone not running high-finance scams for a living could afford a barfly lifestyle.

  217. @mark green

    You can’t compare Tucker Carlson to Jared Taylor. There is a reason Tucker needs to stay in a certain lane, and it’s working. Normies love him (so do I) and they would be horrified to have him mention the JQ. On the other hand, Jared is already a dissident. Mentioning the JQ isn’t going to impact his audience with the exception of his Jewish donors.

    AmRen has been around for 30 years and what progress have they made? I would say almost none. AmRen is a Boomer echo chamber. Mainly old timers lamenting about the “good old days”. Almost no normie is swayed by the stories on that site. What changes normie’s minds about race are actual negative events in their lives. Even then it takes a while.

    You see countless lefties who are beaten mercilessly by blacks and still give the tired old “not all blacks” mantra. Do you really think those people will change their mind by reading a Boomer echo chamber?

    Plus, many people feel uncomfortable supporting a site that is dedicated to bashing blacks. There is a tendency to have sympathy for the “underdog”. I don’t agree with that take, but it’s how many people feel. What people don’t have sympathy for is rich elitist Jews who openly state how superior they are to Whites. The trillions in tax dollars being handed over to Israel. The Jewish NGOs that are sending criminal black Africans to the Whitest cities in the US, like Fargo ND. And while there, they are attacking and murdering Whites like 14-year old Jupiter Paulsen.

    AmRen offers almost nothing of substance for Whites, just a place to complain about blacks. Unless normies understand who is behind this almost nuclear explosion of anti-White hate, they will continue thinking Jews are our friends.

    • Thanks: mark green
    • Replies: @Chris Moore
    , @Gary Sudder
  218. Defund the Police in all ‘blue’ areas. Let them live up to their BLM fantasies.

    Why are these guys still on the police why? Why protect the blue scum from black thugs when blue scum only sing hosannas to black thugs?

    Quit. Defund now.

  219. @John Pepple

    There were about seven investigations of ‘Climategate’. ALL exonerated the scientists involved of any malpractice or malfeasance. But what are facts to denialist fanatics? When the facts change, I change my mind, as Keynes said. The facts concerning anthropogenic climate destabilisation have changed, but only grown more emphatic, for decades.
    I see you accuse climate scientists, the thousands of them of ‘lying’. What a fabulous, gigantic, really existing ‘conspiracy theory’ that is. Got any evidence? I thought not. Projection is all for the extinction cultists.
    Then, of course, the most moronic of all denialist tropes-we were warned of an Ice Age. In fact, we were warned thus by only a few scientists for a sort time. Even then the majority of climate scientists were more concerned about warming. There had been cooling from c.1940-80, almost certainly caused by particulate smogs, but after 1980, the trend has been ever upwards, and, if we reduce the Global Dimming from current particulate hazes, we’ll get a quick additional one degree Celsius or so warming. And, I hate to tell you, Gomer, but science has advanced since the 70s, so we know more about ‘imminent Ice Ages’ than we did then.
    The 1930s climate extremes were mostly in the USA and a few other places, not world-wide as now. Another cretinism that your type never let go. You appear to have some reservations about peer review with which I accord, but climate science is not just peer reviewed. Who ‘reviews’ the melting of montane glaciers, Arctic sea ice, West Antarctic and Greenland ice-sheets, the warming of oceans and their thermal expansion, the melting of permafrost, the migration of fish species to warmer waters, the phenological evidence of earlier bud-burst in plants, earlier fruiting, changes to leaf drop in autumn etc, and the spread of pests and diseases, the deepening of droughts, the increase in the intensity of deluges and floods etc? What are your imbecile lies regarding ALL that evidence? Your basic stupidity is to think that because Western elites supposedly comprehend climate science (they do not, vastly understating its severity)and they lie about everything else, they are lying about this. What a fool’s idiocy for which that is to exterminate your own species.

    • Replies: @Chris Moore
    , @John Pepple
  220. Chris Moore says: • Website
    @YesYesCircle

    AmRen offers almost nothing of substance for Whites, just a place to complain about blacks. Unless normies understand who is behind this almost nuclear explosion of anti-White hate, they will continue thinking Jews are our friends.

    Most intelligent Whites already know, and do nothing but bitch about Black Golem, when they know full well the ((Jews)) are their puppetmasters.

    Intelligent Anglo Whites seem to see themselves a royal class or aspire to upper crust status, and all the best people never mention the ((Cousinhood)) pulling the strings behind the throne.

    Anglosphere Whites need to get over their aspirations to be “chosen,” but at the same time not become Golem in the process — a very tough aspiration to pull off.

    A return to the culture of Christian populusm and anti-Semitism is the only answer, but upper crust, Judaized Anglos don’t have a Christian bone in their putrid bodies, and so they are becoming putrid Golem, just like the Black Golem they sneer at.

    Top ((Jews)) know Anglos would walk over glass to get in the kosher club, and so treat them with the contempt that belly-crawlers deserve.

    Until Whites stop giving a rat’s ass about what ((Jew)) belly-crawlers think or want, they’re destined to become slaves to the crass ((Jew)) slavemasters, just like all the other Golem.

  221. Chris Moore says: • Website
    @mulga mumblebrain

    But what are facts to denialist fanatics? When the facts change, I change my mind, as Keynes said. The facts concerning anthropogenic climate destabilisation have changed, but only grown more emphatic, for decades. I see you accuse climate scientists, the thousands of them of ‘lying’. What a fabulous, gigantic, really existing ‘conspiracy theory’ that is. Got any evidence? I thought not.

    Why do you speak in the language of Zionists? People who dispute Holocaust supposed facts are “denialists” too. And those who criticize ((Jews)) are themselves accused of believing in “conspiracy theory.”

    Global cooling… er global warming… er climate change… may or may not be real, but we’ll never know with you global Zionism grifters handling the “science.”

    • Agree: Maowasayali
  222. @Chris Moore

    Mulga offers an interesting perspective on many issues but he’s hopelessly conformist on the non-urgent ‘crisis’ of Climate Change (formerly merchandized as ‘global warming’.)

    I’m old enough to have studied and written about ‘global cooling’ back in the 70’s as a journalism student. As it stands today, there have been no provable calamities caused by anthropogenic climate change. None. It’s pure theory. What we have here is weather. Unpredictable. Sometimes lethal.

    This is not to deny the real problems associated with over-hunting, over-fishing, deforestation, as well as most forest fires–all caused by humans. And of course there are recurring drought and floods. But that’s weather.

    The coastal inundation of seawater that was predicted over 30 years ago never happened. The ‘experts’ were wrong. And they’re wrong now. Here’s a good analysis of what’s going on:

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2022/08/lew-rockwell/the-climate-maniacs/

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  223. S says:
    @Maowasayali

    When someone noticed the original Starbucks logo (turned upside down) was a Baphomet, they revamped it,

    That is intriguing. You might find the comment link below of some interest.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-193/#comment-5467944

  224. @mulga mumblebrain

    In no particular order:

    1. “When the facts change, I change my mind, as Keynes said.”

    Assuming you have the facts, which I am saying you don’t. Anyway, I’ve already said what would change my mind: a blue-team/red-team debate. How about you?

    2. “And, I hate to tell you, Gomer, but science has advanced since the 70s, so we know more about ‘imminent Ice Ages’ than we did then.”

    Unconvincing. This is about nothing other than recording temperatures, which we’ve been doing for over a century. Any advances made wouldn’t affect this issue because they’d be marginal. That is, if back in the 1970s scientists detected a drop of a degree in temperature, knowing that it was really a drop of 0.999 of a degree doesn’t change much. The point is that they saw an unexpectedly big decline.

    My question still stands: What did they do wrong?

    3. “I see you accuse climate scientists, the thousands of them of ‘lying’. What a fabulous, gigantic, really existing ‘conspiracy theory’ that is. Got any evidence? I thought not.”

    Take a look at Steven E. Koonin’s book Unsettled, which I already mentioned. He talks about the lying on pages 7-9. He quotes people who talk about the importance of lying. (I’ll type out a quote if you are interested.)

    Let me point out that when I was young, people went into science because they liked science. Now there are people going into it who are activists. They are activists first and scientists second. Their creed is to lie for the sake of the cause rather than to tell the truth. To hell with them and their “science.”

    [MORE]

    4. “Even then [the 1970s] the majority of climate scientists were more concerned about warming.”

    And yet what we heard about was global cooling. Naturally, you can respond that the media distorted things. And I’m saying the media continues to do that. They will listen to the liars rather than those who are cautious and tell the truth. The cautious ones don’t dare go against the liars because of cancel culture. They want to keep their jobs. And by the way, there’s a couple essays by Alexander Cockburn on global warming where he talks about this very problem. You should try looking them up.

    5. “The 1930s climate extremes were mostly in the USA and a few other places, not world-wide as now.”

    Link?

    6. “Who ‘reviews’ the melting of montane glaciers, Arctic sea ice, [etc.]?”

    I don’t live near glaciers or the Arctic (in fact, most people don’t), so why should I believe they are melting? Just because some people I don’t trust say so? All of the evidence you present depends on my trusting people I have no reason to trust.

    To digress a bit, we saw how these people behaved during the last couple years because of the Wuhan virus. Scientists whose results didn’t reinforce the Narrative had trouble publishing or were censored. Most incredible of all is that epidemiologists at Harvard, Stanford, and Oxford were called “fringe epidemiologists” by Fauci and his team.

    Back to global warming. First, my impression is that whenever these people yammer on about the evidence, people at websites like Watts Up with That offer cogent rebuttals. (For example, while arctic ice is melting in some places, it is expanding in others, which conveniently aren’t mentioned by our media.) Second, what I know best is the weather I have experienced, which shows no drastic changes. For example, the last time I was in my home state of Minnesota during the month of January, sure enough it was the usual twenty below.

    7. “There were about seven investigations of ‘Climategate’. ALL exonerated the scientists involved of any malpractice or malfeasance.”

    Links? The last I heard, people were acknowledging that the emails were accurate. Even if true, who conducted these investigations? Skeptics? Or true believers? I’m assuming that it was true believers who did it, and I have no reason to trust them.

    But let’s say they were exonerated. There is still the fact that, as Koonin pointed out, these are people who rejected having a blue-team/red-team debate because they thought peer review was sufficient. Let me add that Koonin was a true believer until he was asked to take a look at the evidence, and he was shocked at how weak it was.

    8. Another point concerns the other beliefs of the true believers. By “coincidence,” what they say we need to do to counteract global warming just happens to be what they want us to do for other reasons. Now, I’m sure you have heard the contention that extraordinary beliefs require extraordinary evidence. I say the same should apply in this case. (In the legal realm, this sort of situation is recognized as a conflict of interest, and the person should recuse themselves.) That is, when people have a strong interest in seeing some plan implemented, and if they felt this way before they did any science related to this plan, others are perfectly within their rights to suggest that maybe they weren’t as objective as they should have been when they were engaged in scientific research. They may have missed discrediting factors that others who were more objective would have noticed. So far, we have not seen any extraordinary evidence.

    And it doesn’t help that so many politicians who claim that there is a climate emergency do not act as though there is one.

    9. Let me add that even if I were convinced of anthropogenic global warming, I would still disagree with their solution. The best solution is nuclear energy, but the greens used their power fifty years ago to almost destroy that industry. Of course, they will never acknowledge that they blundered. And anyway, what we in the West do is irrelevant because of what China and India are doing.

    10. Finally, our elites are so awful that we need to regard the “science” being done today with a heavy dose of skepticism, the same way we are skeptical of any results that were done by Nazi scientists. (I’m of course talking about anything that impinges on our everyday lives. Science like measuring the mass of an electron is harmless.) Our elites have in recent months been willing to risk nuclear war to protect someone else’s border when they won’t even protect our own. They wanted to lock everyone down permanently for a disease that was maybe three times worse than the common cold and whose typical victims were the elderly. In general, they abuse power constantly, though they would scream to high heaven if the right abused power the way they do. We must be skeptical of everything they say and do and thwart them as much as possible, until the power balance between them and those of us who are non-elites has been equalized. Then we can look calmly at global warming and see if we still believe it’s happening. Until that day, though, it is morally imperative that we be skeptical of everything they are saying.

  225. @mark green

    Wrong so many ways. As I noted above, ‘global cooling’ predicted in the 70s was mostly a MSM beat-up. The great majority of climate scientists even then expected a warming due to the forcing of increased atmospheric greenhouse gases. I expect you deny the heat absorbing properties of greenhouse gases too.
    As for ‘calamities’, we are just in the prodromal phase of the climate destabilisation apocalypse, yet we already see massive forest death in the USA due to pine beetles over-wintering in warmer temperatures. That, in turn, plus the ‘once in a millennium’ drought in the Western USA has led to massive megafires, but I assume that you’ve not been burned out yet, so what the fuck, eh?
    Here in Austfailia the Great Barrier Reef has bleached six times since 1998, the first such event in recorded history and in coral cores going back almost a millennium, due to underwater heat-waves’ as they are now called. ‘Who gives a damn?’ says the denialist. I could go on, but what’s the point? Denial is so easy, so emotionally satisfactory, so protective against the dark night of the soul that accompanies sufficient knowledge to know that we are a dead species squawking.

    • LOL: Corrupt
  226. @Chris Moore

    Another dimension of denialist cretinism. Those who understand the science and know the facts must be ‘Zionists’. Why? Because they call people who deny the facts, ‘denialists’. The sign of a Big Brain at work.
    In fact climate destabilsation denialists are MUCH worse than ‘Holocaust denialists’, because the victims of the Judeocide, however many, are gone and beyond our help, but the hundreds of times more FUTURE victims of climate destabilisation denialism, might yet be saved, if only the denialists and their fossil fuel and Rightwing patrons are defeated.

    • Replies: @Chris Moore
  227. Chris Moore says: • Website
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Climate destabalisation denialist

    Keep crafting that mindless dogma, ((mumblebrain)); it’s what you Zoglodytes do best. That, and self-promoting hucksterism.

    Grifting must be in the camel trader kool-aid from way back.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  228. @Chris Moore

    Were you always a poisonous imbecile, or have you achieved that level of malignant imbecility by your own efforts?

  229. gay troll says:

    You only need to know a few things about “climate change”:

    1) LBJ promises in the late 1950s that NASA would enable the federal government to control the weather from space and weaponize it against enemies of the state

    2) Mass media warns of global cooling in 1970s. An ice world.

    3) A NASA scientist introduces the concept of anthropogenic global warming to the U.S. Congress in 1980s

    4) Mass media starts to warn of global warming. An iceless world.

    5) Perhaps simply to cover all their bases, global warming is rebranded as “Climate Change” circa 2010

    This does not bode well for the greenhouse gas crowd. It would appear rather more likely that NASA is engaged in weather warfare. “It’s gonna get too cold, no too hot, no it’s going to change all the time. Just remember that it is the incidental fault of the public and not the long term goal of our air and space weaponization agency. The science is settled!”

    Does vulgar fumblebrain also believe in the moon landings? Dreaming of the U.S.S. Enterprise making space safe for socialism? Scientific observation as a front for a flagship?

  230. @gay troll

    “He who controls the weather will control the world.”— Lyndon Baines Johnson, 1962.

    Weather manipulation technology and patents go back at least 75 years. They can and do change the climate on purpose to push the “Climate Change” agenda because they want to tax every breath we take.

    Cf. Dane Wigington’s GeoengineeringWatch.org

    • Replies: @mark green
  231. @Maowasayali

    Very interesting. It’s my view that NATURE still controls the weather and climate. The system is incomprehensibly complex and therefore unpredictable. But here’s some very good news on the healthy Great Barrier Reef. (Disregard the malarkey about climate change.)

    The greatest challenges to Earth’s ecosystem is human-driven deforestation and habitat destruction along with over-hunting, over-fishing, human-caused pollution, and human-caused ‘wildfires’.)

    https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/04/great-barrier-reef-areas-show-highest-coral-cover-seen-in-36-years.html

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  232. @RadicalCenter

    Black rifle is anti right wing and Jewish owned & operated.

  233. raga10 says:
    @bike-anarkist

    And especially when municipalities enjoy closing their public toilets so that cafes end up with increased washroom cleaning costs.

    That. While I admit Starbucks should not be required to act as the provider of public toilets, I think that *somebody* should – more specifically, that’s the job of local councils or municipalities or whatever name you use for the local-level governance.

    I would love to see a study correlating locations of Starbucks shops with locations of nearest public facilities and I wouldn’t be surprised if the real issue here is actually the scarcity of said facilities.

  234. @mark green

    The Great Barrier Reef is NOT ‘healthy’. That agit-prop garbage is utter bull-shit, fit only for Rightwing cretins like you.
    Whoever is behind it expects people to believe that the Reefs are in the ‘best’ condition since 1986, when they had not experienced ANY bleachings for at least 800 years (according to coral cores). The first bleaching was 1998, and there have been six, the latest this year, and the GBR Authority reported most of the reefs in ‘poor or very poor’ condition in 2019. Yet this ‘report’ expects us to believe that the Reef is better than for 36 years within three years of being ‘very poor’.
    Just where this garbage emanated is pretty easy to speculate upon. The last Federal Liberal regime, the most Evil in our history, stacked every Federal agency with stooges-I suspect they’re at work here. The Great Barrier Reef is in danger of being declared UNESCO ‘World Heritage At Risk’ thereby threatening the tourist industry, so some plausible garbage is required, as it is for the mounting number of law suits citing the Reef’s health as a reason to curtail the multi-billion coal and gas industries. And, of course, it gives denialist scum, large like the Murdoch cancer, and scuttling, like you, a chance to squawk triumphantly. I sense that a major scandal is, and surely must, be about to break.

  235. @gay troll

    1955-John von Neumann, a man infinitely more clever than you, warns of anthropogenic climate change due to greenhouse gases increasing in the troposphere.
    1965-LBJ warns the Congress of that danger.
    The MSM did not, as a whole, report that the world was going into an Ice Age. A few reports were made, but the overwhelming majority of climate scientists already expected a warming. The period from 1940-80 saw a cooling due to particulate smogs, and that ended comprehensively in the 80s. As ever a buffoon relying on the MSM and fifty year old ‘science’.
    The concept of the greenhouse effect was known from the 1840s, from the work of Foote, Fourier and Tyndall. It was not created in the 80s-only denialist imbeciles believe that. Then you have the moron’s supreme ‘argument from nomenclature’. Change the name, or have the MSM do it, and 180 years of science disappear. What sort of Evil, sub-moronic, cretin thinks like that? Pretty bog-standard Dunning-Krugerite cretinism and laughable arrogance from a fifth-rater-thus doth humanity make its exit, driven on by fools.

    • Replies: @mark green
  236. gay troll says:

    Then you have the moron’s supreme ‘argument from nomenclature’. Change the name, or have the MSM do it, and 180 years of science disappear.

    I didn’t change the name. They did. If global warming, and anthropogenic global warming to be precise, is the problem we are facing, then why did we stop calling it that? “Climate Change” removes two claims from AGW, both the A and the W. As many people rightly say, Earth’s climate has always been constantly changing. Therefore “Climate Change” is self evident. It is unfalsifiable. It is an unacceptable term for discourse about carbon forced AGW.

    Now, if AGW is the problem, what is the solution, and how do we implement it? Do you have a serious answer or are you one of those people hawking “green” technology?

    I would say you are pushing propaganda. Propaganda is the art that changes the names of things and changes the meaning of words in order to achieve the right psychological impact. That’s why we went from “cooling” to “warming” to “change”. In science, meaning is determined by language. In propaganda language is determined by meaning. And the underlying meaning here is that only world socialism can save the Earth from environmental catastrophe. Do you agree? Do you think world socialism could possibly have an ulterior motive for gaining control of the world economy?

    1955-John von Neumann, a man infinitely more clever than you, warns of anthropogenic climate change due to greenhouse gases increasing in the troposphere.

    Well anyone armed with the laboratory results of Arrhenius could produce a speculative hypothesis about AGW. Did Neumann have other evidence? I searched for some info regarding your claim about Neumann and got no results. So can you please cite a source?

    You also didn’t answer my question about the moon landings. Could someone like you who constantly bashes the notion of Western and American exceptionalism possibly believe that Americans were the first and only men on the moon? And if not, if you know NASA is responsible for that propagandist master stroke, then how could you uncritically believe them and other American scientists when it comes to global warming?

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  237. @mulga mumblebrain

    The MSM did not, as a whole [during the 70s], report that the world was going into an Ice Age.

    Mulga- Don’t take this personally. I enjoy many of your comments. So please refrain from denouncing me (and others) who may think (and know) differently about past events.

    I happen to be 70 years old. I lived as a young adult during this era. ‘Global Cooling’ was big news for several years back in the early and mid-70s. It was a FRONT PAGE feature item on the NY TIMES, WaPo, Boston Globe, Denver Post, Miami Herald, SF Chronicle, LA Times, and of course, the big newsweekly’s of that era (Time and Newsweek magazines). CBS and other networks covered it, too. As an undergraduate journalism student, I wrote my senior year article on this phenomenon. ‘Global Cooling’ was real. It was measured. It was scientifically supported. But it’s fallen into a memory hole.

    You may be correct that we are headed towards imminent, cataclysmic, anthropogenic ‘climate change’, but I respectfully disagree.

    Yes, CO2 is (modestly) rising, the world is (modestly) warming, but this means more fuel (food) for plants and animals alike. The earth is greening. This is good news. More CO2 is the reason why.

    Humans are tropical animals. In aggregate, warm weather is good for humankind. Over the past century, average global temps have nudged up only very slightly. So worry? Warmer weather is generally more hospitable to plants and animals than cold weather since freezing temperatures mean that fresh water is often locked in ice and plants don’t grow.

    Humankind is presently enjoying the rare and comfortable bounty of living in an interglacial period. This warming era began only some 13,000 years ago (when the so-called ‘Ice Age’ ended). When the next glacial period begins, that will spell doom for vast swaths of plants and animals alike.

    According to what’s been discovered in recent decades, glacial periods generally endure for some 80,000 years while interglacial eras last only about 15,000 years. This is what the biological and geological record tells us.

    Therefore, we are now (in all likelihood) entering the final phase of our bountiful interglacial era.

    When the cold (and dry) glacial climate returns, there will likely be increased famine, death, and misery. We will be long gone by then, but climate change is natural, normal, and (often) cyclical.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  238. @YesYesCircle

    The only time american normies/simps/cucks/soy boys/karens etc…will wake up? Is when they are eating dirt. Their face is to the ground, eating dirt, and have lost everything. Then maybe perhaps potentially they might wake up.

    In the meantime, the usians will be blaming everyone but themselves. The this, the that, the other, external forces, etc..Mirror, mirror. USians want what the us empire is offering. It was a buffoon populace hamster wheeling into oblivion.

    onward and downward.

  239. Alrenous says: • Website
    @Anon

    Journalism is inherently criminal and should be banned.

    Regular gossip is iffy at best. Professional gossip is an abomination.

  240. @mark green

    OK Mark, as I said, it was a ‘news’ phenomenon for a few years, but that was FIFTY years ago. Science has progressed as have the signs of a generalised and rapid climate change or destabilisation. Science plus evidence is generally pretty conclusive-why not with you?
    As I said, even in the 70s the great majority of climate scientists expected warming because of the forcing of greenhouse gases emitted into the troposphere. In the fifty years since that burden has grown considerably, and positive feed-backs like the albedo flip of ice cover loss in the Arctic kicked in. Moreover we know that the relative cooling from 1940-80 was caused by the ‘global dimming’ brought about by particulate smogs, now a feature moved from Europe and North America to East and South Asia and elsewhere.
    Atmospheric CO2 and equivalents has increased from 280 ppm to nearly 500 ppm over the last 200 years ie an increase of c.75%. That is NOT ‘modest’. And it is the fastest and greatest such increase since at least the PETM of 55 million years ago. You really have no idea, do you.
    I’m afraid I must repeat that ‘CO2 is plant food’ is stupidly ignorant. CO2 in greenhouses increases plant growth, but temperature and moisture are guaranteed. In the real world, rising CO2 means greater temperatures, maxima and minima and average, greater, deeper, longer droughts, heavier deluges and more devastating floods, all very BAD for Life. And the RATE of change puts living creatures in danger of extinction because of their inability to adapt quickly enough. And your grasp of glaciations and interglacials would get you a B minus in high school I imagine.
    Why not just admit that you reject climate science AND reality because it conflicts with your ideology, ie your psychology. It’s getting late in the day, for you and us all.

  241. @gay troll

    Your first moron ‘argument’ is that the climate is always changing. Whoever said that it was not? The problem is the RATE and EXTENT of change, which, at present, is the greatest since at least the PETM of 55 million years ago, because the RATE and EXTENT of the greenhouse gas forcing is the greatest since at least then, but probably for a far greater length of time.
    How to solve it-too late. But if we had had sane people in charge and the hard Right lunatics locked away, sequestered somewhere deep and dark, we would have to totally decarbonise as fast as possible, rewild the planet, end industrial agriculture and humanely reduce the human population to a couple of billion. End capitalist death-worship FOREVER. Which is why you Rightists deny reality-it threatens your Precious, your money and power. What are a few billion ‘useless eaters’ besides a pile of filthy lucre?
    The argument from nomenclature is stupid. The global climate is destabilising, so there will be new extremes, mostly of heat, but also cooling, particular where the Polar Vortex in the north breaks down, allowing warm air into the far north, and cold air excursions into lower latitudes. That won’t last long, but it makes for greater climate and weather chaos, so that denialist dullards can ignore 49 degrees Celsius in British Columbia while squawking about cold snaps in Texas.

    • Replies: @gay troll
  242. gay troll says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    How to solve it-too late.

    Then please, for the love of God, shut the fuck about it! Your cure for the “capitalist death cult” is to humanely murder billions of people? If that’s the solution then what’s with all the solar panel and electric vehicle hucksters? You are literally in league with the corporate eugenicists pushing pointless technology, while whining about ecology and the sanctity of life! Can such a hypocrite possibly be for real?

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  243. poser1 says:

    There’s one important fact that the author seems to misunderstand: that these are “hypocrisies,” or deliberate distortions which people like SB’s CEO are cognizant of.

    But the way an ideology inherently works is that certain categories of thought are “forbidden” and are closed from consideration. Because of this, something that even a sensible five year old could clearly discern as cause and effect remains forever elusive to these people; and it’s not because they are deliberately being hypocritical about it, but because—as is happening with this CEO—when certain conclusions are removed, due to e.g. their inherent evil nature precluding them from being possibilities in the first place, then all that’s left is non-solutions and more and more mental acrobatics, which in effect “solve the problem” by indirect and inefficient means, rather than the logical, straightforward fashion that an unconstrained mind would produce.

  244. @gay troll

    What makes a vicious moron like you such a very poor liar? As I have said over and over I hope to see the human population reduced SLOWLY and HUMANELY. The only ones hoping to murder billions are denialist vermin like you. Your type are easily the most Evil in all history, a development brought about by millennia of selective breeding and indoctrination into hatred of Life, and reaching its inevitable climax in a disaster that will take out ALL humanity. Congratulations-you won.

  245. @A Texan

    Gregory Hood:
    Mr. Schultz is among those rulers. He’s used his money and power to dynamite the foundations of our society… Media, NGOs, and activist organizations use the government as a tool.

    “A Texan”:
    …give these “white poop libs” a taste of their own medicine

    Fact check:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Schultz#Early_life_and_education
    Howard D. Schultz was born on July 19, 1953, to Ashkenazi Jewish parents, Fred and Elaine Schultz, in Brooklyn, New York.[

    This is not some mere “accident of birth” — Mr. Schultz is a strongly-identified MOT, a fanatical Israel-Firster, and a notorious anti-White semitic supremacist.

    What does the Tribe have to say about this issue? Let’s ask Commentary Magazine, the official voice of the American Jewish Committee:
    https://www.commentary.org/articles/liel-leibovitz/jews-are-not-white/

    No, Jews Aren’t White

    Well OK then. And what’s this?

    https://www.jta.org/2018/04/15/news-opinion/black-men-arrested-philadelphia-starbucks-waiting-local-jewish-businessman
    The two black men whose arrest at a Starbucks in Philadelphia has gone viral were waiting for a local Jewish businessman, Andrew Yaffe, who tried to stop their arrest.
    Yaffe is the founder and president of AY Industries, a Philadelphia-based real estate development, investment and management firm, and is active in the Jewish Federation of Greater Philadelphia, according to the Jewish Exponent.

    Must be just a cohencidence, I guess. Should I even mention that the so-called “protests” were led by…
    Rabbi Shawn Zevit?
    https://www.clevelandjewishnews.com/news/national_news/former-shaker-heights-rabbi-on-front-line-of-starbucks-protest/article_55db0f28-43dd-11e8-87c1-cf274946e429.html

    Oy gevalt — those darn “White poop lib goyim” are at it again…

    • Thanks: mark green
  246. @Maowasayali

    Maybe he can play penis piano for the us empire and his us-er overlords.

    Perhaps, he can get another round of billions from the us tax sucker. Maybe the us-ers can listen to this “music” as they trudge to work and play the role of good lil’ employee/citizen in the failed empire.

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