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Respectable political opinion in the West is mostly nonsense. Sometimes, even race realists become so used to the stupidity that we are like the fish who never notice water. Sometimes it takes China, a self-respecting civilization-state, to expose our elites’ silly beliefs and shameless hypocrisy.

American journalists and politicians are in a moral panic over last week’s events. The supposed “failed insurrection” will be used to take away American liberties. However, the demonstrations on Capitol Hill were far tamer than the riots in Independence Square in Ukraine in 2013-2014 or in Hong Kong and Belarus a few months ago. Most American media outlets, left and right, treat those events sympathetically.

Here’s how The New York Times covered Hong Kong in July 2019, when protesters stormed the legislature.

Nancy Pelosi called pro-democracy demonstrations in Hong Kong “a beautiful sight to behold.” She may not have been endorsing violence, but you can’t blame the Chinese authorities for reminding her of it.

China also exploits what Mao would have called our system’s inherent contradictions. This is how China’s Ambassador to Grenada, Zhao Youngchen, described his government’s actions in the Xinjiang region, home of the Uyghur Muslims.

For a long time, the Islamic extremists in Xinjiang forced the non-believers to believe in Islam, enforced the integration of administration and religion, banned Uyghurs from holding traditional Uyghur weddings, listening to modern music, dancing and other cultural activities, discriminated against women, and forced women to veil and wear black robes . . . . All kind and rational women in western world, don’t you think the protection of basic human rights of Uyghur women by the Chinese government is commendable?

China isn’t oppressing the Uyghur minority or crushing its culture; it fighting for women’s liberation against religious fanatics. By their own standards, shouldn’t liberals be cheering?

Just a few days ago, China’s American embassy tweeted that its campaign in Xinjiang had “emancipated” Muslim Uyghur women.

Western media said the tweet was dehumanizing:

What’s wrong with that tweet? When abortion was legalized in Argentina recently, there were huge celebrations and favorable coverage in The New York Times, The Washington Post, and the Associated Press. The latter called it a “feminist triumph that overcame a last-minute appeal by Pope Francis . . . .”

A woman cries after the approval of the legalization and decriminalization of abortion in Argentina, in Buenos Aires, Argentina, on December 30, 2020. (Credit Image: © Matias Chiofalo/Contacto via ZUMA Press)
A woman cries after the approval of the legalization and decriminalization of abortion in Argentina, in Buenos Aires, Argentina, on December 30, 2020. (Credit Image: © Matias Chiofalo/Contacto via ZUMA Press)

For years, American feminists have been dressing in costumes from The Handmaid’s Tale to defend abortion rights. The novel and television series are crude attacks on Christian conservatives who support big families. As The New Yorker reported, “WE LIVE IN THE REPRODUCTIVE DYSTOPIA OF ‘THE HANDMAID’S TALE.’”

October 15, 2020, Washington, District of Columbia: Protestors dressed as characters in ‘The Handmaid’s Tale’ protesting the ongoing confirmation hearings for Associate Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States to fill in the vacancy left by the passing of Justice Ginsburg. (Credit Image: © Carol Guzy/ZUMA Wire)
October 15, 2020, Washington, District of Columbia: Protestors dressed as characters in ‘The Handmaid’s Tale’ protesting the ongoing confirmation hearings for Associate Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States to fill in the vacancy left by the passing of Justice Ginsburg. (Credit Image: © Carol Guzy/ZUMA Wire)

According to American media, traditional sex roles, and large families are ominous, even dangerous. It’s especially scary when women lead conservative movements. Michelle Malkin accurately called the recent television show “Mrs. America” a “character assassination” of its subject, the late Phyllis Schlafly.

Other examples:

Hungary’s government encourages large families. In February 2018, liberated woman and former Swedish Minister for Social Security Annika Strandhäll compared the policy to Nazism. She said it destroyed the “independence women have been fighting for.” Didn’t China give Uyghur women independence?

Apparently not. The New York Times published a column arguing what is being done to the Uyghurs is “genocide.” “Since 1949, the Chinese Communist Party has been gradually rolling out policies that threaten Uighur culture and identity,” writes Amelia Pang in “It Took a Genocide for Me to Remember My Uighur Roots. “There are financial incentives for interethnic marriages between Uighur and Han Chinese couples.”

But aren’t we supposed to think mixed marriage is a wonderful thing? In 2018, the New York Times rejoiced with this headline: “A Sign of ‘Modern Society’: More Multiracial Families in Commercials.” Why are the Times and The Guardian now complaining about efforts to encourage them in China? Besides, what do Uyghur culture and identity really mean? Perhaps there are “problematic” aspects to them. Since CNN tells us “There is no ‘White Culture’,” maybe there’s no Uyghur culture either.

You might argue that the Chinese government wants to eliminate the Uyghurs. You might even say that the Chinese Communist Party is trying to replace them. However, that’s dangerous talk, a paranoid conspiracy theory. How could political and cultural policies possibly have demographic consequences? It’s a ridiculous claim. I can’t put it better than Ambassador Yongchen.

Obviously, we know the game being played. We can say with confidence that Chinese leaders see the Uyghurs as a problem. The CCP is trying to keep Uyghurs from reproducing by destroying their culture and identity. Western journalists understand this. They know the CCP’s policies weaken the Uyghurs and may ultimately destroy them.

However, China can claim innocence. China’s campaign against the Uyghurs is similar to the one Western elites are waging against whites. Many Western journalists are part of that campaign. Thus, China can continue mocking Western hypocrisy about “values” or “democracy.” What can Western politicians or journalists say back?

If I were Chinese, I might be angry that I can’t criticize Chairman Xi Jinping without suffering massive consequences. However, I’m American, and I’m far angrier that I can’t criticize Martin Luther King or, for that matter, the late George Floyd. I have no illusions that China is a free country, but neither is the United States. If anything, China’s system is better. I don’t want to live under the CCP, but I don’t want to live under Kamala Harris either. So I’ll laugh along with China’s diplomat-trolls, who are speaking the truths that we no longer can.

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  1. Since the incoming president and even his son Hunter, work for China, we have nothing to worry about.

    • Thanks: Sean
  2. Dutch Boy says:

    Various leftists and feminists have been fans of China’s population policies for decades.This was back when things like forced abortions and the one child policy were in force (leftists considered those policies progressive)The Uyghurs are just getting a concentrated dose of what the CCP has dished out for quite a while now.

  3. d dan says:

    Twitter and Facebook ban Trump, so may be he should use TikTok instead – a popular platform with over 100 million users in US. Oh wait, Trump tried to ban TikTok, so it won’t work. Never mind.

    Trump’s supporters develop their own app like Parler, but Apple iPhone and Google Android ban Parler too. So maybe Trump should instead use Huawei phones with over 1 billion users worldwide. Oh wait, Trump tried to ban Huawei, so it won’t work. Never mind.

    I thought karma is supposed to come in the afterlife. Never know it comes so fast.

  4. Don’t those devil Chinese know that the humane way to “deal with” problemmatic people is to bomb them at their weddings and then again at the resulting funerals?

  5. @Dutch Boy

    The Uyghurs are just getting a concentrated dose of what the CCP has dished out for quite a while now.

    Only they aren’t. The “one child policy” never applied to the minorities. The Uighur and Khazak populations of Xinjiang have expanded faster than the Han population.

    There is an ongoing genocide which is taking place in Occupied Palestine which, however, the US commentators seem unable to notice.

  6. This must rank as the best article I’ve ever read on Unz. Wonderful.

    Congratulations Mr Hood.

    • Agree: cronkitsche
  7. @Dutch Boy

    Except Uighurs never had a one child policy and that’s why their population grew so much. Fact is the Islamists were Wahabi-lite… They wanted to make the area just like Saudi Arabia. Young Uighur girls on average want to live in the cities and be “modern girls”. That has nothing to do with CPC policy.

    • Replies: @Chinaman
  8. So the question is, has China become national socialist, or is still a front for international communism inc? It’s definitely not a free country. Although it does have a central bank up its ass like the rest of us.

  9. anonymous[289] • Disclaimer says:

    There was a real insurgency in 2014 in Xinjiang and the actions being taken by China are in response.

    On the morning of 22 May 2014, two sport utility vehicles (SUVs) carrying five assailants were driven into a busy street market in Ürümqi, the capital of China’s Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region. Up to a dozen explosives were thrown at shoppers from the windows of the SUVs. The SUVs crashed into shoppers then collided with each other and exploded. 43 people were killed, including 4 of the assailants, and more than 90 wounded,[1] making this the deadliest attack of the Xinjiang conflict.

  10. Anon[199] • Disclaimer says:
    @d dan

    Forget Trump, he is out. Doesn’t worth the mock any more.
    Don’t be sad, the laughing stock will offer us new derision. Trust USA, this big show is only getting better.

    • Agree: Old and Grumpy
  11. @anonymous

    That stuff had been going on for at least 20 years before that incident. And as with most extremists – they didn’t care who they killed. They targeted moderate Uighurs as well because in their eyes they are “infidels” because they don’t hate Han and Hui people in the region. This article is spot on with the nonsensical hypocrisies.

  12. Absolutely hilarious.

    And the sheer chutzpah of Jews who destroyed Palestine preaching human rights to the Chinese.

    And why is Noam Chomsky not a pariah like David Duke? Duke was just in a larping KKK group, but Chomsky apologized for the Khmer Rouge and denied reports of mass atrocities.

    • Replies: @Alfred
    , @Joe Levantine
  13. I have not been to Xinjiang yet, but I suspect 95% of the criticism leveled by western media is BS.

    What I do know is that there were many, many violent attacks on normal people in Xinjiang. I saw one video where some attackers took out long blades and started chopping passengers and bystanders in a railway station in that region.

    With incidents like that happening every few days, a robust response is needed, and the CPC probably came up with a very humane, non-violent and successful one.

    That’s why the western media can’t stand it. After how the western media and the corrupt Trump regime characterized the HK riots as some beautiful expression of democracy with the rioters all being heroes and champions of democracy, I really don’t trust the judgement or motivations of the english-speaking western media very much.

    I’m sad, but not surprised to see the riots in the Capitol. It took some time, but it was inevitable.

    Once you have so much corruption, so many lies, abuse, and false accusations, this sort of shitshow is bound to happen and many more will follow.

    • Replies: @Yee
    , @Mary Marianne
  14. All summed up here in 25 seconds.

    • LOL: Biff
    • Replies: @Miro23
    , @El Dato
  15. neutral says:
    @anonymous

    I have absolutely zero doubts that if you trace the involvement with this attack, you will find CIA funding for this eventually. It is not a secret that the US regime does these things to undermine other states.

  16. Molip says:
    @anonymous

    The US war on terra has cost at least 335,000 civilian lives, displaced 37 million and cost $6.4 trillion. All it has achieved is to create yet more terrorism.

    In Xinjiang the Chinese combat terrorism by re-education and are sanctioned for it by the US. The Chinese method is infinitely more humane and above all, effective, yet the West criticizes China and applauds the US.

    I also recall Biden recently talking about sedition after a single riot with the FBI warning of mass arrests (170+) to come. The US sanctioned China over its introduction of security laws in reaction to many months of rioting and its arrest of just 50 people. Imagine the furore if China were to sanction the US for mass arrests of Republicans for the Capitol riot, let alone the mega-deaths in the war on terra.

    • Agree: Showmethereal
    • Replies: @anon
  17. Biff says:
    @Sue Dunham

    It’s definitely not a free country.

    If you happen to have time could you please define a “free country”?

    • Replies: @Sue Dunham
    , @neutral
  18. Postwar “Western” and US propaganda has always been pervasive and all-encompassing. Today, with near universal censorship getting more rigid by the day, it is becoming easier than ever to point out the absurdities, non sequiturs, logical fallacies, idiocies, inconsistencies and sheer stupidity in this propaganda tsunami.

    To be sure, these shortcomings have been present in the propaganda since the very beginning, but due to sheer hubris, those running the propaganda network have now lost all sense of proportion. This makes it easy for Chinese officials and anyone else with two functioning brain cells to ridicule “Western” propaganda.

    The edifice of lies is becoming so big and so unbalanced that it just has to collapse under its own weight.

    • Agree: Robjil
    • Thanks: Joe Levantine
  19. Biff says:
    @anonymous

    There was a real insurgency in 2014 in Xinjiang and the actions being taken by China are in response.

    I wonder who paid for that?

    • Replies: @Yee
    , @animalogic
  20. antibeast says:

    USA to Trump rioters: “You hate democracy!”
    USA to HK rioters: “You love democracy!”

    • Agree: cronkitsche
    • LOL: mark green
  21. @Biff

    One that allows you to speak your mind, own guns, and retain privacy?

    • Replies: @GeeBee
    , @Anonymous
  22. GeeBee says:
    @Sue Dunham

    So that’s the USA out of the field on your first and third tests then (give it a couple of years and it will be on the second as well).

    • Replies: @Sue Dunham
  23. Gregory Hood should be far more well known than he is.

    • Agree: mark green
  24. @GeeBee

    On the contrary, I live in the USA and I have always said everything I believe, even when I thought it might cost me my life or livelihood. Of course, I believe in some conspiracy theories, which is apparently the new definition of terrorism. I will continue enjoying my human rights until some asshole renditions me. I have at least one week of liberty remaining. As for privacy, well, it’s out of my control. If Uncle Samuel wants to watch me fingering myself that’s his crime.

    Let’s remember the framers of the Constitution did not have much interest in a bill of rights, it was tacked on as a concession to the anti-federalists like Jefferson. Modern liberals lionize the bankster scum Hamilton while slowly pushing Jefferson and Washington towards the Nazi pit. Modern liberals with throw the bill of rights in the trash because the banksters and royals still abhor it.

    So let me just say, fuck the banksters, fuck scientific and historical consensus, fuck NASA, fuck Barack Obama and Donald Trump, fuck the federal government, fuck Yahweh, fuck Zionism, fuck the modern state of Israel and fuck the CIA. Fuck the FBI, IRS, DNC, and RNC, fuck Hollywood, and fuck Washington DC. Some of us are trying to live our lives out here. Fuck communism and fuck Hitler too. If there is to be globalism it must be based on national confederacy and not totalitarian rule. It must guarantee human rights and not seek to abolish them.

    Don’t tread on me. I live where I was born and I will die here as well.

  25. Chinaman says:
    @d dan

    Karma is great. Can’t wipe that smirk off my face as I see these hypocrites get a taste of their own medicine.

    For a full 6 month, HKer have to bear and the breakdown of law and order as the West cheered the rioters on and China can’t use a heavy hand .

    Not a single ONE of these fucking traitorous protestor died at the hands of the authorities or the police in that anarchy. China didn’t bring out the military. There was no massacre. We let these kids vent.

    FIRST day of this new American Civil war, 4 patriots were massacred and no one was held accountable. The state is in lockdown. National guards were brought in and freedom of speech is curtailed.

    What a fitting end for a bunch of pussies and hypocrites. Karma is a bitch, you motherfuckers.

    What a beautiful sight to behold!!!

  26. Chinaman says:
    @showmethereal

    The West will say it is genocide no matter what policies anyway…so we might as well do it properly this time to avoid issues in a few hundred years. These fucking terrorists Uighurs need to migrate to Turkey like their forebears.

  27. Chinaman says:

    The most shocking observation I have made, as I get older, is that it is the “good” guys, with a twisted messianic complex, that are doing all the bad things and the “bad” guys, who is universally hated, that are doing the good things. Everything they tell you is a lie.

  28. Sean says:

    Western intellectuals used to sing eulogies to the USSR, but it was all critiques of their own societies. Like the economists, some very highly regarded, who thought the Soviet Union would eventually surpass the US’s GDP, the intelligentsia, especially in joke countries like France and Russia, are incensed by the US dominating the globe with brute force rather than moral suasion.

    All this stuff about China is much the same mindset, and deep down those propounding the idea that China is overtaking America are pointing to things about America because deep down they think they know how to make the US much more efficient and powerful. But America is the land of liberal individualism, not freedom from wants, it cannot be good at everything, no matter how it is run.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  29. @Chinaman

    well to be fair not all Uighurs want to be jihadists… but the ones that do – yeah they should… a big gang of them are in Afghanistan still. that’s why now that the US is leaving they delisted the ETIM as a terror organization… But yeah – other than Turkey (and the US) no one else wants to take them in… When countries in Southeast Asia catch them – they deport them quickly (Malaysia being the exception).

  30. Yee says:
    @GreatSocialist

    “and the CPC probably came up with a very humane, non-violent and successful one.”

    China’s way to solve the problem is very simple, and it’s the same tactic used by parents, teachers, military officers – give the brats something to do! keep them busy so they have no time to cause trouble…

    And it seems to be working, because US/UK have started to sanction goods produced in Xinjiang. Trying to frighten off jobs going into the region.

    • Agree: showmethereal
  31. Yee says:
    @Biff

    Paid by CIA, trained by Turkey…

    Thousands of them fled to Turkey and then got sent to Syria. Hopefully, they’d stay there and never make it back to Xinjiang.

  32. “the West’s Delusions and Hypocrisies”

    What about American bombers slaughtering Chinese in World War II?

    • Replies: @Ukraine Tiger
  33. nsa says:

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  34. Mefobills says:
    @Sue Dunham

    No it doesn’t. China kept their state banks, especially after the Tiananmen square incident.

  35. Mefobills says:
    @Chinaman

    Both Russia and China’s soft underbelly is Islam. Petrodollars were recycled into Madrassas to radicalize Chechens. Putin squashed the Chechen gambit launched by the West.

    China is protecting itself by removing radical Islam from Uighur region.

    The “international” is being defeated in both Russia and China.

  36. FB says: • Website
    @Sue Dunham

    Well, you can say whatever you want, but is anybody listening?

    How many of those items you listed will ever be heard by House Speaker Pelosi?

    And I’m sure Treasury Secretary Mnuchin is going to get right on that ‘bankster’ beef he just heard about from you. He is very concerned you know.

    And of course your complaints about the CIA and FBI are sure to not only be heard, but to be acted upon. After all, we have seen that happen oh so many times in the past, right?

    Look little lady, the difference is that in China Xi and the CPC are actually LISTENING. You know how I know that?

    In 2016, the last year the survey was conducted, 95.5 percent of respondents were either “relatively satisfied” or “highly satisfied” with Beijing.

    In contrast to these findings, Gallup reported in January of this year that their latest polling on U.S. citizen satisfaction with the American federal government revealed only 38 percent of respondents were satisfied with the federal government.

    –Ash Center research team unveils findings from long-term public opinion survey

    That from a huge decade and a half-long Harvard study in China spanning tens of thousands of interviews with Chinese folks.

    The simple fact is that you or any ordinary plebe can say whatever they please because Pelosi and company have never tuned into our channel, and they sure aren’t about to start now. We don’t exist, as far as they can tell from their lofty Capitol perch. It’s only now, after January 6, and that guy taking selfies in her office with his feet on her desk, that she has suddenly become aware that ordinary folks do in fact exist…and she doesn’t like it one bit.

    So feel free to ‘speak’ freely as much as you want [being mindful of course that some ‘speech,’ like the SCOTUS-declared ‘free speech’ protection to corporate political contributions, is maybe just a teensy bit more effective than others].

    Oh, and one more thing. Do be careful what you ‘speak’ to a guy or gal with a badge and a gun. That could be a much different story right there. 😉

    • Thanks: mark green
  37. @Sue Dunham

    Run for president, I will support you!!

  38. @Carlton Meyer

    What about US bombers slaughtering anybody, all the time

    • Agree: Curmudgeon
  39. @Sue Dunham

    Thanks Sue!…I thank you will appreciate this…

    • Replies: @Sue Dunham
  40. neutral says:
    @Biff

    For one, a country where one does not have to live in fear of literally everything that they say and do can destroy their life.

    • Replies: @HeebHunter
  41. Ber says:
    @Chinaman

    Understand that the Romans had a war with China via Alexander the Great. They were defeated by the Chinese and some kind of a monument is still present in a town/city in China commemorating the event.

    Just a thought, when the Romans go to war, they must be supported by a train of slaves who will carry stuff, cook for the army, etc….the logistics of it. These slaves must have been the Turks. Once the Roman army was defeated, the slaves will have no where to go but remain in western China where they remain to this day. Otherwise how would one account for the Turks being domiciled in China today when their original home is so far away, thousands of miles from Turkey ? Of course there will be other tribes weaved into this.

    Any thoughts?

  42. @Biff

    Yes, I wonder….
    Perhaps the NED [National Endowment for Democracy] chucked a few billion dollars into the whip-round-basket ?

    • Agree: GomezAdddams
  43. @Sue Dunham

    Agree with all your “fuck you’s” …except perhaps NASA … I’d like to live in hope that they can perhaps sort themselves out….however, unlikely given their relationships with the Fed Gov & Big Biz …

  44. Ugetit says:
    @Sue Dunham

    If there is to be globalism it must be based on national confederacy and not totalitarian rule. It must guarantee human rights and not seek to abolish them.

    That’s a joke, right?

  45. Alfred says:
    @Chinaman

    These fucking terrorists Uighurs need to migrate to Turkey like their forebears.

    I think the Greeks, Russians, Syrians, Georgians and Armenians think that the Turks and Azaris should return to central Asia where they came from. China stay behind its Great Wall. 🙂

  46. @Sue Dunham

    Sue , where are you from?
    Are you single?
    I like your tone.Sounds American to me.
    Best wishes and good luck to everybody who deserves it…

    • Thanks: Sue Dunham
  47. Dipshit white nationalists are spreading Chinese propaganda now? Figures.

    • Agree: TKK
    • Replies: @TKK
  48. Alfred says:
    @Priss Factor

    Chomsky apologized for the Khmer Rouge and denied reports of mass atrocities.

    The Khmer Rouge received training from the British SAS (Special Air Service). At the UN, the UK blocked resolutions condemning the Khmer Rouge.

    Just a few weeks ago, the West blocked a resolution about Nazism in the UN. They support the Ukronazis.

    US, Canada, Ukraine reject UN resolution condemning glorification of Nazism – Moscow ‘bewildered’ (2015)

    US & Ukraine vote AGAINST anti-Nazi resolution proposed by Russia at UN General Assembly, eyebrows raised as Germany abstains (Dec 2020)

  49. Miro23 says:
    @Carlton Meyer

    Love the video. The Chinese aren’t fazed by this BS.

  50. John Hagan says: • Website

    I believe the Chinese are on a path where they have developed as system that employs a mix of private enterprise and socialism. It is a very brave and interesting experiment yet the results seem excellent at the moment. Surplus is divided yet controlled by communities to an extent that national as well as local factors are considered and defined under particular laws (decrees?)
    That the US private enterprise system cannot survive as it exists is something any village idiot either in China, US or a tribe of babbons would easily grasp.
    China Part 1: This is part 1 of a 2 part series on Chinese history and the consequences of their ‘Silk Road’.and the monetary system.

    China Part 2 : That the chinese money system (computerised electronic) will do away with physical cash or dollars in all those countries that BRI covers and use the Chinese cashless apps will spell the slow but inevitable end for the US dollar. The transactions will start small and local but will eventually prevail overall other. Already the ‘SWIFT’ money transferr system is being outclassed by other players in cluding the Chinese which already has the largest volume of trade on the planet.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  51. Adûnâi says: • Website

    Why are Chinese men proud of banning the veil and giving their own women the right to be whores? Do they even self-reflect? The Western incel movement is coming to terms with this weird Christian axiology-derived aspect of modern culture. Of course, some traditional features must be abandoned in an industrial society, but, for example, the DPR of Korea has no problem integrating women into the workforce and allowing them to stay housewives / public cheerleaders.

    • Replies: @foolisholdman
  52. @Sue Dunham

    You forgot to add “fuck the Jews” or was it an oversight?

    • Replies: @Sue Dunham
    , @follyofwar
  53. Abortion rights in Argentina or for that matter in any Christian country is not only welcomed but highly encouraged by the Jew but no abortion rights for his religious cousins in the Muslim countries… his plan is to rule the Christians world with the help of his pig hating cousins, the Arabs.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  54. The Finalists for world domination are China vs. Israel. For all others, pick your poison.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  55. Tom Welsh says:
    @anonymous

    If exactly those events were to take place in a US city today, how many government officials or media outlets would describe them as part of a “conflict”?

    Obviously, none. The perpetrators would be called “terrorists”, regardless of their motivation or goals.

  56. El Dato says:

    “It Took a Genocide for Me to Remember My Uighur Roots.”

    Sad to say but … they are probably not that important then.

  57. El Dato says:
    @Carlton Meyer

    Trump done wrecking America by not giving body-affirmative Blacks with megaphones and good slogans and white saviour hanger-ons Da Powa, passing over many millions of top-notch scientists, engineers, lawyers and doctors, crippling GDP forever.

    Then Chinamen take over da libraries.

    THE END!

  58. El Dato says:
    @Niebelheim

    China vs. Israel.

    Unless Israel has Jehovah on the side, no contest at all.

    • Agree: Astuteobservor II
  59. @Alfred

    Thanks

    Few know that actual Nazi’s were supported by Obama/Biden/Clinton/Nuland regime

  60. TKK says:
    @Dirk Gently

    CCP affiliated groups support BLM. While treating actual blacks in their country with naked derision.

    The sophomoric stupidity of gleefully pointing out that Chinese company men are capable of Two faced snark and believing this is somehow beneficial to our dire situation is

    – further alarming evidence of our dire situation.

    Yep- our enemies can spot our misery and point it out on Twitter like 8th grade b*tch drama queens.

    Chinese – the Han Chinese- believe they are superior to whites.

    The people who cage Sun Bears and slowly drain their gall bladdders in an agonizing death to make them “virile” think they are our betters.

    White Anglo Saxon civilization IS superior.

    As usual, Putin is the only man in the global room.

    • Replies: @HeebHunter
    , @denk
  61. antibeast says:
    @Mefobills

    Both Russia and China’s soft underbelly is Islam. Petrodollars were recycled into Madrassas to radicalize Chechens. Putin squashed the Chechen gambit launched by the West.

    Russia is far more vulnerable to political subversion by the Wahhabists funded by the Saudis because its Muslim population is concentrated in eight ‘Muslim Republics’ within the southwestern region of Russia. Due to their high birth rates, the Muslims are expected to reach 30% of Russia’s population by 2050!

    In contrast, Uyghurs number less than 1% of China’s population with the Huis (who are the Muslim descendants of Arab Muslims) outnumbering them. Unlike the Uyghurs, the Huis have fully assimilated into Chinese society and integrated into the Chinese nation. Under Xi, China now wants to fully integrate the Uyghurs into the Chinese nation while allowing them cultural autonomy.

    Unlike Russia’s officially recognized ‘Muslim Republics’, China does not allow Islam, Buddhism or any other religion to influence public policy due to the socialist nature of the PRC. In other words, all religions are treated as private affairs which should not affect public policy.

    China is protecting itself by removing radical Islam from Uighur region.

    China wants to excise the Wahhabists from the Xinjiang region. But that’s not to say that China is hostile to Islam. The Hui Muslims are a living example of Islam’s 1,500 year peaceful association with China unlike the Uyghurs who converted to Islam only after the Muslim invasions of Xinjiang in the 1500s.

    • Agree: Mefobills
    • Replies: @Mefobills
    , @Mefobills
    , @anon
  62. antibeast says:
    @Alfred

    Just a few weeks ago, the West blocked a resolution about Nazism in the UN. They support the Ukronazis.

    Those Ukronazis are the new ‘useful idiots’ of the West who will use them to destabilize Eastern Europe just like what their old ‘useless idiots’, the Wahhabist-inspired, Saudi-financed and CIA/MI6-trained Al Qaeda/ISIS, did for the Middle East and North Africa.

    • Agree: Curmudgeon
  63. @neutral

    Sounds like most of Asia, China included.

  64. @TKK

    White Anglo Saxon civilization IS superior

    Then why is it dying?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  65. @Sue Dunham

    Babby’s first dip into determination and will to live?

    Also, 1938 NS Germany had better gun laws than 1934 muttmerica and today. So there you go.

  66. Jiminy says:

    It must be crushing when a corrupt communist regime can talk truth to a country that won’t allow it. How did it come to this. I’m just hoping that all of this is not another useless stateside trend that will travel and influence the rest of the world. And those 74 million voters need to get their act together and start having at least three kids each. Stop thinking about themselves today. You don’t have to be a religious crank to want to have a house full of kids.
    Unfortunately their futures won’t be any safer when the whites are a minority in their own country, and that’s where they’re heading , fast.
    Also I wonder if Mr Unz is doing all-nighters saving his life’s work to a safe storage site?

  67. @Abdul Alhazred

    Nazis that propelled a Jewish comedian into the role of President of Ukraine? Sometimes reality is stranger than fiction.

    • Agree: Sue Dunham
  68. anonymous[105] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ber

    Understand that the Romans had a war with China via Alexander the Great. They were defeated by the Chinese and some kind of a monument is still present in a town/city in China commemorating the event.

    Nope. This never happened. And there were no Turks in the Roman Empire! The Turks came to Asia Minor long after the Roman Empire collapsed (they came to Asia Minor during the Middle Age to be more precise), and they took it over as the Byzantine Empire was falling. How does it even cross your mind to make up such nonsensical faux history? Are you reading the We Wuz Kangz series of history primers, published and distributed by the Afro-Futurist Society?

    • Agree: Alfred
  69. @Mefobills

    Don’t they both have central banks? Aren’t both tied into the World Bank? The answer is yes, so they are tied to globalism. They aren’t defeating internationalism. Both are just taking care of internal business.

    • Replies: @Mefobills
  70. China should just simply states that Wahhabism has taken hold in the Xinjiang region and it takes radical solution to solve a radical problem.

    Wahhabism has rooted itself deeply in South East Asia and what we see today in the area are quite alarming. In the 60s and 70s while oil backed Wahhabi schools are still in it s infancy, Muslims in South East Asia were easy going, drank a beer or two, and women dressed like any non-muslim women. Today, women dressed like Arabs, non-muslim are expected to pay Jizyah and harassed. Indonesia used to be an exception but Wahhabism caught up. 30 years later. I guess the thousands of islands made the spread of Wahhabi schools slower.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Anonymous
  71. I have to wonder if any of the war party’s international hate campaigns took off publicly in a bipartisan way, would there have been a need to declare a domestic war against citizens? Guess we will never know. As for China, I didn’t know they had it in them to troll with irony and humor. Wonder if it will come to the point that the Chinese feel bribing off elected officials is a dead end, and secretly start financing things like American free speech and peace movements?

  72. Ugetit says:
    @Ber

    Understand that the Romans had a war with China via Alexander the Great.

    I admit my history of that era is weak, but I thought AtG was Macedonian and that his empire preceded the Roman one by a century or two. I could very well be wrong tho, so kindly supply details.

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
  73. anonymous[276] • Disclaimer says:
    @Chinaman

    The last couple of centuries belonged to the whitevil supremacist psychopaths. I suppose the ascendence of the emotionless flat-faced chinkies is upon us now. That is okay, for that appears to be the will of God.

    There will come a time when you mammon worshiping slit-eyed scum will face your comeuppance too. That will also be by the will of God.

    As they say, every dog has its day. Savour it… for a while.

    • Replies: @Chinaman
    , @HeebHunter
  74. Mefobills says:
    @Old and Grumpy

    Don’t they both have central banks? Aren’t both tied into the World Bank? The answer is yes, so they are tied to globalism. They aren’t defeating internationalism. Both are just taking care of internal business.

    China has four state banks, then a mix of private banks in the tier below. China routinely reigns in their private banks and rebuffs western “international” finance.

    Russia still has a central bank that follows BIS rules. Russia is playing rope-a-dope by monetizing their central bank with Russian mined gold. They are following BIS rules, yet are making the Ruble immune from FX manipulations. Russia’s purchasing power parity is probably equal to Germany now.

    The “international” globo-homo (London/Wall Street) as part of their great game, was and is recycling petrodollars into madrassas, or other methods to use radical islam as foot-soldiers.

    “Our good terrorists mercenaries, will have air cover provided by the U.S. and coalition partners – to defeat terrorism.”

    Neither Russia nor China is playing the “international finance” game, especially as they offer an alternative belt and road economy and new world finance structures, such as Asian Infrastructure Bank.

    Rope a Dope and build alternate structures simultaneously.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  75. Ugetit says:
    @Ber

    The Finalists for world domination are China vs. Israel. For all others, pick your poison.

    Nope.

    It’s China + Israel.

    Red China is a product of collusion between Mao and agents of Zio-Bolshevism. Mao was a Yali.

    Solomon Adler, Frank Coe (short for Cohen?) with Mao. Also Anna Louise Strong*, Israel Epstein.

    *Strong was another rich Commie.

    • Thanks: Trinity
    • Replies: @Sue Dunham
  76. @Ber

    Understand that the Romans had a war with China via Alexander the Great.

    WTF ??!!??!!

    Go and learn your history. Alexander the Great (356 – 323 BC) led an army of Macedonians and Greeks on his conquests several centuries before the Roman Empire (27 BC – 476 AD) even existed. You’re an embarrassment and shouldn’t be commenting on this site.

    • Agree: Ugetit
  77. @Abdul Alhazred

    I saw you post this yesterday and I enjoyed it immensely! Free speech still exists in America even if you’re standing a few feet away from Schumer’s dribbling pie hole! I think deplorables should be more open to the type of leadership that transsexual Gypsies like the woman in the video can provide.

  78. @Dutch Boy

    I’m sure if and when China faces a demographic collapse like white nations it will promote a different policy than its earlier one child and abortion, and the Chinese people will dutifully obey because, well, they’re Chinese and care about their nation, unlike some others.

    “For more than 30 years, the birth rate of whites in the US and Britain has continued to decline, and the problem has became more and more serious.Could it be that these countries are also pursuing a policy of genocide of white people? Absolutely not” – Hail Comrade Zhao Yongchen!

  79. Mefobills says:
    @antibeast

    China wants to excise the Wahhabists from the Xinjiang region.

    The key word is Wahhabists. If only we could be so lucky as to have Suffi Islam become the dominant ideology.

    Wahhabism was a project of MI6. When the Saud’s came into power, MI6 was standing behind them as part of the great game. Behind MI6 were the antecedents of BP and Shell.

    England has been a corporatocracy since BOE inception in 1694, and I often point out the exact mechanism here at UNZ.

    Since the “secret” Kissinger/Saud agreement in 1973, where oil became priced in dollars, the CIA took on the job of MI6.

    Madrassas were funded with recycled petrodollars, where said dollars were diverted from going into TBills.

    Mercentary “good terrorists” were funded the same way, with recycled petrodollars. If the mercenaries needed military gear, the CIA recycled dollars into the MIC.

    China is not stupid, and is blocking the great game by securing their Islam under-belly.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  80. Alfred says:

    Wahhabism has rooted itself deeply in South East Asia

    Wahhabism only exists so long as Saudi Arabia can afford to finance it. Saudi Arabia has severe financial problems, an expensive war with Yemen, declining oil reserves, a lower oil price and a population overshoot. All of this means that Wahhabism is doomed. Of course, the UK or USA can take over the role of Saudi Arabia but I doubt it will come to that – they would lose all credibility.

    BTW, Martin Armstrong’s program is forecasting the end of the role of the dollar as reserve currency by 2028 – in 8 years.

    The Reserve Status of the Dollar will End by 2028 (paywall)

  81. @Temporary Insanity

    I’m not opposed to Jews per se. It’s Yahweh I have a beef with. Yahweh, like Chuck Schumer, is a racist anti semite. Listen, if you can be born a Jew, then Jews as a whole can’t be evil. No one is born evil.

    • Replies: @Temporary Insanity
  82. Trinity says:

    Its the Nazis. Its the Russkies. Its the Black Muslims. Its the Brown Muslims. Its the White Supremacists. Its the Chinese. Its space aliens.

    My gawd, pretty soon (((they))) are going to run out of boogeymen.

    • Agree: Ugetit, Curmudgeon
  83. @Ugetit

    Yes, and I’m pretty sure the Zionazis didn’t transfer all that Western wealth to China just to let China leave the Zionazis in the dust.

  84. Mefobills says:
    @antibeast

    Unlike Russia’s officially recognized ‘Muslim Republics’, China does not allow Islam, Buddhism or any other religion to influence public policy due to the socialist nature of the PRC. In other words, all religions are treated as private affairs which should not affect public policy.

    What would you have done if you were in Putin’s shoes in the 90’s?

    I would count Putin’s war on Chechnya and then subsequent pivot (Islamists gave up) as the key moment in recovering Russia as a sovereign people.

    How that pivot plays out in the future? They did kick the can down the road, especially with the low Russian birthrate.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  85. blaqua says:
    @Sue Dunham

    And let’s not forget FUCK CHINA too.

  86. @Temporary Insanity

    Well, Sue said: “Fuck Yahweh, fuck Zionism, fuck the modern state of Israel.” What more do you want? I think she made her dislikes pretty clear.

    BTW, I hope Sue isn’t using her real name.

    • Replies: @Temporary Insanity
  87. antibeast says:
    @Mefobills

    Wahhabism was a project of MI6. When the Saud’s came into power, MI6 was standing behind them as part of the great game. Behind MI6 were the antecedents of BP and Shell.

    MI6 was also behind the overthrow of Mosaddegh by partnering with the CIA to stage a coup against him after he nationalized the Oil Industry in Iran. The CIA then orchestrated a ‘color revolution’ against the Shah of Iran by installing Khomeini who arrived by an Air France jet flown direct from Paris and accompanied by a coterie of Western journalists! Khomeini then established the Islamic Republic of Iran which turned against the West. And now you see this constant demonizing of Iran in the West which did not occur and would not have happened under the pro-Western Shah.

    • Thanks: Mefobills
  88. anon[355] • Disclaimer says:

    Xi Jin Ping is an imperialist and I deplore all imperialists, be they American, British or Chinese. Instead of steering China to bide its time and rise quietly as advised by Deng Xiao Peng, Xi the megalomaniac announced one too many grandiose ambitions like the BRI and the expansion of the navy to the Spratly Islands. Now the eye of Sauron is on China and the country is suffering the consequences of his illusions of grandeur, like being cut off from technology, finance(delisting from NYSE), arrested for espionage etc. China is clearly not ready to lead the world if they still need to steal technology. He poked the bear before China was ready to fight the bear.

    But by far the thing that galls me the most about him is his attitude towards ethnic Chinese living overseas. China used to tell their diaspora that they were citizens of the country they were living in, and not subjects of China. But Xi changed all that. He declared all ethnic Chinese, regardless of where they were born and raised, to be part of the “Great Chinese Family”. This puts all ethnic Chinese outside China in a bind. No matter where they live, they are now suspected of “dual loyalty”. Who is he to claim ownership over all ethnic Chinese? Can you imagine if the EU says all white people all over the world should be loyal to the EU, side with the EU on all conflicts and spy for the EU when called upon, otherwise they are “self-hating” whites?

    I supposed this is why Ron Unz hates Israel and the Zionists so much. “Self-hating” Jews like Unz and Bernie Sanders could never win any big elections in this country. The “motherland” won’t permit it. I am proud to be a self-hating ethnic Chinese. Xi and China can kiss my ass, they do not own me, especially since I’ve never even set foot on that country.

    I don’t think Xi is good for China or the world. China has zero soft power because they have never understood soft power. They only know how to achieve “harmony” through corruption and intimidation, all while preaching “friendship” and “family”. I cringe every time I hear those two words coming out of a Chinese person’s mouth. They think that meant “soft power”, that and the government sponsored “Confucius Institutes”. Xi needs to go, period. And since he’s made himself emperor for life and can’t be deposed, the only way to get him out is through outside pressure. I hate Pompeo and think he’s a Zionist stooge and a liar, but I support all efforts to remove Xi.

  89. @Sue Dunham

    Yes, and I’m pretty sure the Zionazis didn’t transfer all that Western wealth to China just to let China leave the Zionazis in the dust.

    This Western wealth you speak of was stolen/looted from China during the 1800’s (i.e. Opium Wars). It’s open knowledge the Jews (Sassoon and Rothschild family) profited immensely. Not talked about is the Anglo British and American looting. Too many names/families to mention but some examples:

    https://www.history.com/news/john-jacob-astor-opium-fortune-millionaire
    https://www.wbur.org/commonhealth/2017/07/31/opium-boston-history
    https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2019-jardine-keswick-family-ambitions/

    Now, the question is whether the Chinese have been brainwashed enough to forget about the 1800’s and allow a repeat of this period? A clue lies in what they openly call this period, “100 years of humiliation”.

    • Agree: Maowasayali
    • Replies: @showmethereal
  90. There’s no real conflict with China because Chinese elites, much like the Russian ones, are intent on further developing “business and partnership” with Western Ziocorporate globalism. China and Russia are only used for partisan purposes appropriate for fake Ziocorporate democracies/republics” like the US/EU. China could remind the US that Americans’ve been global drug dealers since at least the 2nd Opium War in the 1850’s and with exploding CIA/Pentagon heroin production in Afghanistan since 2001, partly used alongside Saudi petrodollars to manipulate and massmurder muslims across the board and there not being greater muslim killers that Western Ziocorporate regimes, they should either GTFO of Afghanistan and other muslim lands or shut up and stick to business.

  91. antibeast says:
    @Mefobills

    I think Putin wanted to buy time but time is not on his side as the population of native-born White Christian Russians plummet. He had to appease Muslim rebels such as Kadyrov by pandering to Muslims in general and to Chechen rebels in particular. Given the atheistic nature of Soviet Communism which lasted for so long without granting religious privileges to Muslims in the USSR, Putin’s attempt to revive Russian national identity based on Orthodox Christianity will clash with his liberal tolerance of the ‘Muslim Republics’.

    Christians and Muslims are not compatible with each other, especially with the long history of antagonism and hostility between Christianity and Islam in Europe. Putin even built a new Orthodox Cathedral to the Russian Army which clearly proclaims the cultural identity of the Russian nation as Orthodox Christian. To define the Russian nation based on an ethno-religious character — ‘Russian Orthodox’ — would inevitably conflict with the nature of the Russian Federation, eight of whom are ‘Muslim Republics’.

    France also has a ‘Muslim’ problem but it doesn’t grant religious privileges to its North African residents most of whom live in ethnic ghettos called ‘banlieues’ nor does it allow ‘Muslim Republics’ to co-exist within the French Republic. Here’s what Macron is proposing to solve its ‘Muslim’ problem:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/macron-islam-france/2020/10/02/ba8a1dcc-04bc-11eb-b92e-029676f9ebec_story.html

    French President Emmanuel Macron took aim at “Islamist separatism” on Friday, unveiling the substance of a long-awaited law designed to regulate the practice of Islam in France.

    The law, to be formally presented in December, will primarily crack down on the foreign influences in French Muslim communities, Macron said. It will allow the state to monitor the funding that French mosques receive from abroad, create a certificate program for French imams and ban home schooling for young children to prevent the creation of Islamic schools.

    Compared to Macron, Putin gave away too much power to the ‘Muslim Republics’ which could come back to haunt Russia in the future.

    • Thanks: Mefobills
    • Replies: @shylockcracy
  92. @Chinaman

    What a fitting end for a bunch of pussies and hypocrites.

    You could add “cowards” to lawmakers who went into hiding fearing regime change during the brief Capitol occupation. These wimps cheerfully back regime change in the Middle East killing thousands in the process, cheered on by their subservient “free press” and doing their Zionist master’s bidding. But watch them scuttle for safety when confronted by a pretty innocuous band of protesters.

  93. antibeast says:
    @anon

    Methinks you sound like a US Deep State troll.

    You don’t know China and the Chinese people that much if you think Xi is the one who’s too ‘nationalistic’ by pursuing China’s national interest. It’s the Chinese people who are ‘nationalistic’ and the only thing keeping them from being too ‘nationalistic’ is the CCP.

    • Replies: @Alexandros
    , @anon
  94. @anon

    Xi Jin Ping is an imperialist and I deplore all imperialists, be they American, British or Chinese. Instead of steering China to bide its time and rise quietly as advised by Deng Xiao Peng, Xi the megalomaniac announced one too many grandiose ambitions like the BRI and the expansion of the navy to the Spratly Islands. Now the eye of Sauron is on China and the country is suffering the consequences of his illusions of grandeur, like being cut off from technology, finance(delisting from NYSE), arrested for espionage etc. China is clearly not ready to lead the world if they still need to steal technology. He poked the bear before China was ready to fight the bear.

    I do not think the BRI is actually imperialist in nature, the countries participating in it do seem to be getting a fairly good deal, the Chinese have really perfected the art of large scale infrastructure projects. The expansion of the PLAN is likely just to defend its interests in the Indian Ocean should the US and India decide to do something there that would threaten Chinese strategic interests.

    But by far the thing that galls me the most about him is his attitude towards ethnic Chinese living overseas. China used to tell their diaspora that they were citizens of the country they were living in, and not subjects of China. But Xi changed all that. He declared all ethnic Chinese, regardless of where they were born and raised, to be part of the “Great Chinese Family”. This puts all ethnic Chinese outside China in a bind. No matter where they live, they are now suspected of “dual loyalty”. Who is he to claim ownership over all ethnic Chinese? Can you imagine if the EU says all white people all over the world should be loyal to the EU, side with the EU on all conflicts and spy for the EU when called upon, otherwise they are “self-hating” whites?

    You must be referencing this?

    The Rejuvenation of the Chinese Nation Is a Dream Shared by All Chinese

    I think dual loyalties will always exist when the outward physical appearance prevents groups from assimilating, the Chinese by all measures are very good citizens in their host countries – high academic performance, low rates of crime, very little subversive politicking etc, but they are still foreign and do not fully assimilate as the word “assimilate” means to become indistinguishable from the rest, so while many Chinese may give their children Anglo-Saxon names, there will still be discrimination. I think Xi is just being realistic, it makes sense from his perspective to foster another Bamboo Network in the West, the racial backlash against those with an East Asian phenotype will also play into Xi’s hand.

    I don’t think Xi is good for China or the world. China has zero soft power because they have never understood soft power. They only know how to achieve “harmony” through corruption and intimidation, all while preaching “friendship” and “family”. I cringe every time I hear those two words coming out of a Chinese person’s mouth.

    A funny extract from a recent Chinese white paper, from the section with the heading The Chinese tradition of internationalism

    The Chinese people always preserve a sense of justice and a feeling of sympathy. In 1950, just one year after the founding of the People’s Republic, China did its utmost to support other countries in their campaigns for national independence in spite of its own difficulties

    I wonder what those “difficulties” were in 1950? Seems like the Chinese are not above such hypocritical moralising and virtue signalling either.

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  95. @Sue Dunham

    It’s not an issue of a central bank, rather who controls it.
    Canada has a central bank. It is owned by the government. It used to work well for the benefit of Canadians, until the government decided to the Bank of International Settlements in 1974. We still own it, but have outsourced the policy to the BIS. Now it operates like the Federal Reserve.

  96. Ugetit says:
    @Sue Dunham

    Yes, and I’m pretty sure the Zionazis didn’t transfer all that Western wealth to China just to let China leave the Zionazis in the dust.

    You get it.

    And dogbumbreath, who responded to your comment, gets it too. Like (s)he said, too many families to mention.

    I wonder who they’ll colonize after they wring China dry.

  97. Mefobills says:
    @anon

    But by far the thing that galls me the most about him is his attitude towards ethnic Chinese living overseas. China used to tell their diaspora that they were citizens of the country they were living in, and not subjects of China.

    You are pretty impressive and nuanced.

    It is never MY TEAM! YOUR TEAM! It is never black and white, with opposing sides. Both sides have good and bad, with some more bad than good.

    I admire China for belt and road, to then supplant international atlantacist method as it emanates from London. Atlantacism is actually Jewish method at core. I admire China for their Industrial Capitalism and Nationalism, which is American System of Economy at core.

    I don’t admire China for stealing technology and working out various usury schemes to acquire western know-how and wealth.

    I’ve gotten into arguments with Godfrey here on this website, and he is so pro-china that he cannot admit that China does steal and works out scams to better themselves at others expense.

    Xi is doing exactly as you say, he is poking the Eye of Sauron, and making mistakes.

  98. We get it, they are evil acolytes of the New Religion that hate us and want us dead.

    Any plan?

    Of course not. Fortunately there is a plan: splitting up the country (Partition).

    Cool image at the end though.

  99. @antibeast

    Putin, hosting MB Islamist Erdogan and others at the inauguration of one of Europe’s largest places of Islamic worship in Moscow, the cathedral mosque:

    Also Putin: Never forget muh Shoah

    Can’t compare Russia to France though, Russia’s been hosting muslims for over 500 years and and many of them like Kadyrov whom you could not distinguish from “White Christian Russians” if they didn’t tell you; France’s Islamists are 100% the result of postmodern social engineering and Ziocorporate globalism and Putin just wants stable buiness and partnership with them.

  100. Mefobills says:

    Chinese by all measures are very good citizens in their host countries – high academic performance, low rates of crime, very little subversive politicking etc, but they are still foreign and do not fully assimilate as the word “assimilate” means to become indistinguishable from the rest,

    Japanese American women out-marry at almost 100% rate.

    It is hard to stay as an ethny when your women out-marry.

    I don’t know what the Chinese American Woman out-marry rate is though, but I suspect it is high.

    Chinese diaspora in white countries cannot stay separate from the dominant ethny (white people) forever.

    The real problem is Jews and their liberal perversions, such as mass immigration from the third world, not from north-east asians. In general though, immigration is bad, as it sets up avoidable conflicts.

  101. @Sean

    I think you have over simplified things. I don’t advocate for the Soviet system, but in in reality it’s not that it couldn’t have overtaken the US, rather that it would never be allowed to overtake the US. Once Stalin did a Hitler and stiffed the international bankers, it was all downhill. They had served their purpose in ridding the “evil Nazi” and “evil fascist” ideology of ridding their countries of parasitic bankers, and were moving internationally. Now “Uncle Joe” became mass murderer Stalin, not that he wasn’t all along.
    The reality is that the USSR could not afford the arms race. It had massive internal rebuilding to do. When Reagan unleashed Lee Wanta to collapse the Soviet currency, it was only a matter of time before it imploded. The US continually pronounces “socialism doesn’t work” and “no country has been successful”. Well, possibly, but prior to Scandinavia becoming multicultural and having very low rates of immigration, they were “socialist”. Now they aren’t socialist, they are capitalist. As for places like Venezuela and Cuba, successive US administrations have been openly hostile, seized their assets, imposed sanctions, assassinated people, and attempted to overthrow their governments. Those countries are in no position to engage militarily. How would it even be possible to assess if “socialism” worked there? How well would “finance capitalism” be doing in the US if it were operating under the same conditions as Cuba, Venezuela, or the old Soviet Union? Today, China is the new USSR. The US mindset is that it will not be allowed to succeed.
    No political ideology is perfect. They all have flaws depending where you are in the system – even the US version.

  102. @John Hagan

    You don`t understand that socialism in not communism, despite what Lenin, a communist, claimed.

  103. Anonymous[454] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sue Dunham

    And your fast loosing that ! What do you think all the data mining is about why I bet they even have a file on you, a friend a few months go answered a knock on the door to a state trooper standing there he said we came for your guns, well he only had one, and he said what are you talking about well the trooper said we found you had a felony 20 years ago so give me your guns. Well I suppose we all could become next in line for that. As far as free speech go down on the corner and start talking about the IRS and how the fat cats get away with paying a little to nothing, soon the paddy wagon will pull up to get you and take you away for inciting a riot.!!!

  104. fish says:
    @Chinaman

    China didn’t bring out the military. There was no massacre. We let these kids vent.

    No……you did that 30 years ago.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Donald A Thomson
  105. @Curmudgeon

    And of course Hitlerian Germany was also a masterpiece of socialized governance.

    It seems socialism indeed does work, when the people behind it actually mean what they say.

  106. The author fails to understand that the riots in Ukraine and Hong Kong were directed by US of A Liberal Democrat corporate oligarchs and their elected plutarchs. The State Dept via NED is full of them Kagan and his wife Nuland, who is now in Biden team, are examples. Nuland was a leader of the Ukraine riots that became violent when proxy far right assassins in the employ of Nuland shot up the protests

  107. anonymous[276] • Disclaimer says:
    @Temporary Insanity

    Do you Islamophobic lowlifes even comprehend the nonsense you spew?

    That is because the juden is mostly hated in Islamic societies, for the evil they commit against mankind, and with a special focus on muslim societies. In simpler words, the hate is mutual.

    The judenscum can co-opt the so-called leaders of Islamic societies, but if they push too much, such as legalising abortion, which is forbidden in Islam, then those so-called leaders are asking to be lynched sooner or later.

    Do you think these so-called leaders have the power to change the Shariah laws? Lol!

    • Replies: @Temporary Insanity
  108. @Priss Factor

    You are spot on mentioning Chomsky. The man is an excellent researcher and a great intellectual but has a weak soul and that makes him the perfect controlled opposition. For someone who wrote books like “ Failed States”, “ Manufacturing Consent” and “ Hopes and Prospects” but never challenged the obnoxiously illogical official 9/11 narrative and who failed to make the connection between the Iraq war and the Israel lobby, it is obvious that despite Chomsky’s intelligence, the man is a phoney who knows how to portray himself as a subversive figure while keeping the PTB secure and satisfied.

  109. @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    The actual scions of Bandera and Sconprynka have not forgotten the NKVD prison and the cathedral of Lemberg, and what the foreskinners did to their people.

    Of course things get a bit muddled, but it is easy to put a few petty criminals in Nazi regalia; it´s just another false flag – think swastika daubings and nooses.

    • Agree: Ugetit
  110. obvious says:
    @foolisholdman

    Yeah it’s hard to notice when the population keeps growing by leaps and bounds:

    https://israelipalestinian.procon.org/population-statistics/

    Why does every story have to turn into the reductio ad palestinium? Self respecting westerners might actually care less than a fig either way.

    “you know who else is being genocided??”

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @foolisholdman
  111. @Sue Dunham

    Good point – between the Wars Shanghai was one of their power centers (alongside NYC and Odessa) and it would be surprising if they hadn´t left some very deep roots.

    • Replies: @Ugetit
  112. @Ber

    Seeing as Islam didn’t exist in the time of Alexander the Great, how come the Uighers are Muslims?

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  113. Ugetit says:
    @nokangaroos

    …it would be surprising if they hadn´t left some very deep roots.

    Indeed.

    I posted this previously, but get this, which is undoubtedly the very tip of the proverbial iceberg…

    [E.D. Sasson [of the opium trading family]…and his Chinese wife] adopted ten youngsters of different nationalities, who were taught to read and write English, Hebrew, and Chinese.

    -Stanley Jackson, The Sassoons, p203, (1968)

    https://archive.org/details/sassoons00jack/page/202/mode/2up

    To view the page a log in is required.

    • Replies: @Ugetit
  114. Anonymous[355] • Disclaimer says:
    @HeebHunter

    White Anglo Saxon civilization IS superior

    Then why is it dying?

    It is superior. It is dying because it is a culture based on integrity, self-restraint, and respect for individual liberty. People who embrace these values build the best societies but they also tend to be very trusting. They think everyone else is as honest as them, and to suspect otherwise is unkind. Unfortunately, most people in the world are not honest, what is honesty to the WASP is “stupidity” to others, so the WASPs get taken advantage of and their society destroyed by a group of people who are greedy and evil by nature who wish to seek revenge on them.

    • Replies: @Alexandros
    , @HeebHunter
  115. https://www.bitchute.com/video/V2OiYwuiTrA/

    The patriots must be incentivized to get off their ass and make their own stuff.
    Their own everything. Stop relying on the enemy.

  116. anon[355] • Disclaimer says:
    @Brian Damage

    Wahabbism is not that bad in Southeast Asia, nowhere near as bad as the Mideast or Northern Africa. In Malaysia which is 60% Muslim, Muslim women wear headscarves followed by t-shirts and jeans, they do not wear the hijab. The ones who wear hijabs esp. facial coverings are all tourists from Saudi Arabia, and many Malaysian Muslims are beginning to protest the Arabization of their country from these visitors. Young Muslim men and women are allowed to mix and mingle, and they don’t wait in separate lines, or sit in separate train compartments like in the Mideast. Many young unmarried Muslim women in Kuala Lumpur do not wear headscarves these days.

    All through Central Asia, Turkey, Lebanon, and Muslim majority Balkans like Albania and Kosovo, Muslim men and women freely consume alcohol and even produce their own wines, beers and spirits.

  117. @Anonymous

    Not completely true. Aryans are the superior race for those reasons, but not civilization. A succesful civilization defends itself. It has the honesty to admit the enemy is evil. Of this the old Germans had no trouble. They knew what Rome was.

    The reason we don’t have this is because the civilization is not really Aryan. Only many of the subjects are. White men has left the rulership of their nation to the enemy since the advent of the Church.

    Western Civilization needs to fall. It is not made by Aryans and not for Aryans. Whatever level of civilization it has reached, it will easily be eclipsed once the enemy shackles have been thrown off. This we saw in Hitlers Germany. Just a taste of what is possible once a true Aryan civilization springs forth.

    • Thanks: HeebHunter
    • Replies: @HeebHunter
  118. Chinaman says:
    @anonymous

    Thanks. Now, get out of the way.

    Your gods have abandon you and good dogs don’t block the way.

  119. Ugetit says:
    @Ugetit

    Correction. It was Silas A. Hardoon, who worked for E.D. Sassoon, who adopted the kids.. They were apparently co-religionists.

  120. @antibeast

    Sure, but that only necessitates the need for a smarter leader more. See what happened to Poland when they couldn’t control an excessively chauvinistic population.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  121. So you are comparing Uighur Muslims in China to white (true) Christians in the US…makes sense. Because I do expect true believers on Christ (esp. white ones) to be not only persecuted but also concentration-camped at some point….prophecy, doncha know. That act will separate true believers on Christ from the fakers. Just a matter of time, and I am prepared for it, spiritually.

  122. @Alexandros

    Don’t waste any spit on them other than for amusement. Their butthurt over granddaddies’ lost balls on Normandy or Kursk is more important than racial survival.

  123. @Anonymous

    So you are a good Mensch. You should invite negroes and arabs into your home to live with you and “your” wife.

    integrity, self-restraint, and respect for individual liberty

    More like kneeling down to serve the cuckoo. You are hiding your cowardice with buzzwords.

  124. anon[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @antibeast

    I have no problem with people who want to be nationalistic, but they should stay in their own country. Nothing is more annoying than an emigrant who is nationalistic about his homeland. Why the fuck did they emigrate in the first place? Don’t even care to live among their own kind but they want to be all “China #1!” the minute they leave. The US should expel all Chinese/Indian/Jewish/Mexican etc. nationalists living on our shores.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  125. @anon

    I don’t think Xi is good for China or the world. China has zero soft power because they have never understood soft power. They only know how to achieve “harmony” through corruption and intimidation, all while preaching “friendship” and “family”. I cringe every time I hear those two words coming out of a Chinese person’s mouth.

    I cringe whenever ANYONE speaks without real life experience. Chinese “soft power”, here is someone with experience speaking. Watch the whole video or start at 4:30 minutes if you are impatient:

  126. anon[410] • Disclaimer says:
    @Molip

    In Xinjiang the Chinese combat terrorism by re-education and are sanctioned for it by the US. The Chinese method is infinitely more humane and above all, effective, yet the West criticizes China and applauds the US.

    Xinjiang is interior to China. To compare the actions of a state on its own citizens to that of a beligerant on enemy nation is not worth consideration.

    The relevant question to ask here, Molip, is whether you would object to the Federal Government using the same Chinse methods on Americans in Red state as part of Reconstruction 2.0. FEMA reeducation camps for good old boys and gals.

    Are you OK with that? Yes, Jimmy boy may return as Jane, as another “emancipated mind”. Is that OK?

    Imagine the furore if China were to sanction the US for mass arrests of Republicans for the Capitol riot, let alone the mega-deaths in the war on terra.

    This is a valid concern for Chinese nationals. Why should an American care? Why do you care so much, specially given above^?

    • Troll: FB
    • Replies: @Molip
  127. @anonymous

    mammon worshiping

    That would be the kikes and their golem, like you.

  128. anon[410] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    There was a real insurgency in 2014 in Xinjiang and the actions being taken by China are in response.

    So the position of this apoligist for Chinese repression (which is not mutually exclusive with Western repression) is that since a certain number of “insurgents” have engaged in terrorist activity, it justifies the “response” of putting a far greater number of Muslims in reeducation camps.

    Per this anonymous apologist of Chinese Communist Party, if a population is subject to an alien authority which results in insurgencies, it is “justified” to subject any potential “insurgent” (which usually means a nice big slice of the able bodied adult male population) to “collective reeducation”.

    • Replies: @Daemon
    , @shylockcracy
  129. anon[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @antibeast

    China does not allow Islam, Buddhism or any other religion to influence public policy due to the socialist nature of the PRC.

    What public policy? The Uighurs just want to retain their conservative way of life that eschews the kind of soulless materialism that the Chinese government prescribed for its people.

    What is the “socialist” nature of the PRC anyway? From what I see China has the worst of both worlds – the rapacious nature of capitalism combined with the totalitarian nature of communism. The people of China do not have freedom to think, or choose what they wish to believe in. The government tells them what to think, and what to believe. Having thus relinquished intellectualism and its examination of a meaningful life based on ethics and spirituality, the Chinese have become a soulless, materialistic, selfish, pleasure seeking people who live to mindlessly hoard and consume.

    Their only form of spirituality comes in the form of blind patriotism, as prescribed and cultivated by their government. Everywhere they go in the country big brother bears down on them without giving them an inch of freedom, cameras everywhere, digital currency, hukou registration etc. The Chinese take pride in showing off how modern their cities have become, all I see is soullessness and a mindless worship for money and success. Modern China, like Modern Korea, Japan, will lead the world down the abyss just like the Jews.

    • Agree: utu
    • Disagree: Badger Down
    • LOL: HeebHunter
    • Troll: FB
  130. China’s system has been around for thousands of years. It is the only ancient civilization that is still intact. As much as I disagree with the current Chinese administration (Xi) and the awkwardness of it culture compared to other cultures under the 21st century lense, it has a working system meant to last centuries.

    As much as we want to celebrate the “success” of the American political and economic system, I would reserve judgement until it last more than 500 years. If you were to look at Western empires, none survived past 5 centuries. Even the Roman empire proper lasted slightly over 500 years. Sure the continuation of the Roman “empire” lasted until 19th century but it was not “The Roman Empire” but rather remnants of it with its broken pieces subsequently consolidated into the countries we know today.

    The mighty Britannia, in my opinion the best Western empire and comparable to Rome, China, and Egypt, only lasted 200 years.

    • Replies: @Alden
  131. Mefobills says:
    @dogbumbreath

    I cringe whenever ANYONE speaks without real life experience. Chinese “soft power”, here is someone with experience speaking.

    Soft power includes more than the ability of Chinese state authorities to release debts, as in the case of which Varoufakis speaks. Although it is an excellent soft power to have.

    The other soft-powers include things like Hollywood, or Japanese Anime to influence culture.

    A whole generation of American kids grew up watching Japanese anime, hence Japanese soft power.

    Moral authority and legends – those things other than military, are soft power.

    China is low on the scale of soft power. Xi is poking the eye of Sauron too soon, as China has not developed full spectrum capability yet.

    • Replies: @FB
    , @dogbumbreath
  132. anon[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @dogbumbreath

    First, what China is doing in Africa is imperialism, just in a different form — via mass immigration and bldg of infrastructure only to link the mines to the ports to ease their extraction of natural resources. Most of the infrastructure and mining are done by Chinese workers. What does Africa get out of it? A few top brass in the government became filthy rich, the people gained nothing except seeing Chinese taking over their countries, but majority aren’t a penny richer.

    The “non-intervionism” that this guy mentioned is just Chinese speak for corruption. Bribe the ruling elites so you don’t have to go to war, then turn a blind eye towards corruption and the money not trickling down; they knew these elites were corrupt and the people would not benefit right from the start, but they did it anyway, not their problem, all that matters is China benefits. It is not much better than the European and American colonials who went to war to take natural resources, both are just as greedy and unethical.

    It’s true no one forced Apple to move their factories there. US companies went there and willingly shared technology out of greed – cheap labor plus vast market. But China is doing the US no favors by buying our government bonds. They are just entrapping us with debt to all eternity. I wish they would stop, so our bond yields would rise, which is necessary in keeping the US from overspending. Rising interests will reorient our economy towards savings rather than consumption, but they don’t want that, it’s not good for China, they want us to keep hyper-consuming so they can get richer.

    Lastly, why did this guy have to go back to the Chinese to renegotiate the contract to begin with? What would’ve happened if he hadn’t done that? China would’ve ripped them off big time. If the Chinese were negotiating in good faith and had truly good intentions, they would’ve given the EU a fair price from the start.

    BRI entraps all countries with debt. The Chinese come in to build your railroads and ports so they could sell you more made-in-China junk and swamp your country with more Chinese tourists, students and businessmen (who then never leave), Chinese workers get all the jobs including building said infrastructure, while the local countries get to pay for it.

    The woman was right, beware of Chinese bearing gifts.

    • Disagree: GomezAdddams
    • Troll: FB
    • Replies: @Yee
  133. @anon

    The Uighurs became a “problem” once Wahhabism creeped in. Once it is in, it is in. It is not like some will embrace Wahhabism and some will not. It is wholesale indoctrinism. South East Asian islamic countries are all Wahhabis right now. Even Mindanao, the Islamic southern island in Catholic Philippines is full of Wahhabis. Thanks to Saudi oil money.

    The house of Al Saud formed an alliance with Al-Wahhab to annex the whole Arabian peninsula except for the few minor kingdoms such as UAE, Yemen, Qatar..etc.

    In the 1930s,oil was discovered in Saudi Arabia and it pretty much fueled the second world war but under American and British control. It was after WW2, Saudi had control on its revenue and in the 60s it is rich enough to fund Wahhabi schools in other Islamic countries. The rest is history.

  134. @anon

    Part of me thinks China is the only place Jews can go and not result in anti semitism.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @erzberger
  135. FB says: • Website

    A lot of state department-sounding ‘anonymice’ sounding off here about those ‘poor’ Uighurs. Where’s the house mouser, Mr Unz? These little rodents are getting rather annoying.

  136. FB says: • Website
    @Mefobills

    Xi is poking the eye of Sauron too soon…

    He is? How so?

    It seems to me that ‘Sauron’ has a pretty sensitive eye. Even countries and peoples that simply just want to EXIST, seem to somehow ‘poke’ the eye of Sauron. See Serbia, Libya, Cuba, Iran, Venezuela etc etc. It’s actually a long list.

    Of course there’s always the how dare you smash my fist with your face defense, I guess?

    • Replies: @Mefobills
  137. Anonymous[134] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ber

    Otherwise how would one account for the Turks being domiciled in China today when their original home is so far away, thousands of miles from Turkey ?

    Uhh, this is awkward, but needs a reply.

    The original, very earliest mention of the peoples known as “Turkic” was by none other than . . . the Chinese, way back in late 6th century.

    The original homeland of the Turkic peoples was in southern Mongolia (now Inner Mongolia, in China, just north of the Great Wall). (For reference, the Mongols arose in Eastern Mongolia, directly north-west of Beijing, also beyond the Wall).

    They fought the Tang Dynasty. They lost, and were faced with the usual choice: Assimilate . . . or be Exterminated (China did not take slaves – never trusted them). The vast majority chose to assimilate – they intermarried, they Sinicized, and they became Chinese.

    Those that didn’t want to assimilate migrated/fled west, REALLY far west, out of reach of the Imperial armies.

    Which is why Turkic speakers now inhabit a swath of Eurasia from the Republic of Turkey east to Xinjiang. (Though you would never mistake a citizen of Turkey for even an Uzbek, much less a Uighur – no way).

    Look it up yourself.

    • Replies: @Alexandros
    , @Anon
  138. anonymous[992] • Disclaimer says:

    Congratulations on being a mouth piece for Chinese Communist propaganda. Explain to me again, who’s the embarrassment?

    • LOL: FB
  139. @anon

    From what I see China has the worst of both worlds – the rapacious nature of capitalism combined with the totalitarian nature of communism. The people of China do not have freedom to think, or choose what they wish to believe in. The government tells them what to think, and what to believe.

    Where exactly are you standing when you “see”?

    This person and many others are “seeing” and “living” from within China and it contradicts what you “think you see”. For the record, I have seen and lived within China and it’s NOT what the Western media claims:

    • Replies: @Ugetit
    , @Priss Factor
  140. Ugetit says:
    @dogbumbreath

    Thanks for that.

    I’ve long had a lot of respect for Varoufakis and now I have even more. What a guy!

    Now I have even more respect for the Chinese, too!

  141. Anonymous[134] • Disclaimer says:
    @Brian Damage

    The South East Asian muslims are waking up, and are increasingly angry at the Arabs and the Arab-aligned. Angry as in ready to slaughter.

    In the Philippines, Muslim militias are joining the Philippine Army in hunting down Wahhabist groups in the country.

    Wouldn’t want to be an Arab caught in the Philippines – the people there are very nice, but can be extremely nasty if pushed too far.

    Apparently, the extreme Islamists there have crossed the line.

  142. Ugetit says:
    @dogbumbreath

    For the record, I have seen and lived within China and it’s NOT what the Western media claims:

    Nawww…they wouldn’t lie, would they? Shocking.

    😉

  143. Ber says:

    Question of Uighur in China. This should be researched deeper. I can only suggest that there may be something in this theory that slaves must accompany Roman soldiers when they go to war. Logistics demand it.

    There is a Roman Legion lost in China in a town now called Liqian where descendants there are speculated to be
    descendants of the ancient Roman army headed by general Marcus Crassus.

    Apart from genetic evidence, Roman coins and pottery have also been unearthed in Zhelaizhai, as well as a helmet bearing the engraving in Chinese characters: “One of the Prisoners.”

    “Future research conducted using the Y chromosome (which is subject to little variation as it is transmitted directly from father to son) will shed more light on this mystery, and will help gather more precise information about European kinship ties.” more at https://www.gingkoedizioni.it/a-roman-legion-lost-in-china-2/

    So the theory that slaves left behind became the Uighur of China.

  144. The ultimate logic of imperialism is the imperial people become the imperial subjects.

    Imperial people support their imperial leaders in dominating the world. But in forsaking limited nationalism in favor of over-reaching imperialism, the imperialist elites open up the ruling club to non-natives. Also, to win the hearts and minds of the imperial subjects around the world, the imperial rulers invite masses of non-native masses. So, the system goes from imperial rulers leading the imperial people to imperial rulers forming alliances with non-native elites and mixing the imperial people with masses of new comers.

    Ideally, the non-native elites allowed into the ruling club will serve the imperial elites, but there are cases when they can take over. And it happened in the US with Jews taking power from the historical Wasp elites. With Jews as the new rulers, all sentiments between the imperial elites and the original imperial people is gone. Jews see white goyim just like they see Arabs or any other people. Goyim to be turned into subjects of Jews.

    This is why Jews hate goy nationalism. It’s about goy national elites leading the goy national people. In contrasts, imperialists expand and conquer to dominate other peoples, but in doing so, open up venues of the elite realm to collaborator elites(who may turn out to be smarter and more ruthless than the original imperial elites) and, furthermore, open up the national core to foreign masses who go from subjects to new nationals via migration and immigration.

  145. @dogbumbreath

    Look at that bumbling liberal boomer. What a despicable creature. Based Greek put its down soundly.

  146. anon[394] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alexandros

    Well, Jews don’t control China yet. Hence, there is no anti–Semitism. But Jews are working on the China problem. Just be patient, ok?

  147. @dogbumbreath

    Even if it’s true that China is repressive and rapacious, it still has a national government that maintains security and sovereignty. This means less freedom for Chinese but also less freedom for foreigners, esp US empire, to take over.

    Sovereignty and repression is better than submission and freedom.

    Of course, sovereignty and freedom is best, but freedom is dangerous because the US exploits freedom in other nations to spread globo-homo and other filthy rot.

  148. antibeast says:
    @Alexandros

    Xi is being very smart in by paying lip service to ‘Communism’. But to Chinese, Xi is just reflecting what the people themselves instinctively feels about China. The only Chinese leader more ‘nationalistic’ than Xi was Chiang Kai-shek who became a pariah to the West for being ‘too nationalistic’.

    • Replies: @Brian Damage
  149. Anonymous[134] • Disclaimer says:
    @Curmudgeon

    Today, China is the new USSR. The US mindset is that it will not be allowed to succeed.

    Well, I think China will have something to say about that.

    China is not Napoleonic France, Imperial/Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan or the USSR.

    They are diplomatically astute, not militarily aggressive, not subversive, and do not waste resources on arms races (their defense budget is much lower than ours as a fraction of their economy). At the same time, their internal market mechanisms work and their economy is powerful and stable. Almost impossible to isolate such a nation from the rest of the world – any who try that end up isolating themselves.

    Above all, they are not driven by any sort of ideology or religion, except their own advancement. This wholly flexible approach has made their society very dynamic indeed.

    The best approach to China, if you don’t like them, is to co-exist with them. They assuredly don’t bother anyone outside their country, so co-existence shouldn’t be hard.

    • Replies: @I'm Tyrone
    , @Curmudgeon
  150. antibeast says:
    @anon

    When Deng first ‘opened’ up China, there was a mad rush to emigrate to the West. That passing fad is mostly over by now as most Chinese ‘immigrants’ in the West have been moving back to China for social, cultural and economic reasons. The only people remaining there are those who have family or relatives in those countries. Same with people buying properties in the West especially in California, Canada, Australia, etc. The Chinese are done with that fad as China’s material standard of living eclipses that of the West.

  151. Daemon says:
    @anon

    You may personally disagree with the ethics of “collective punishment”. But historical fact shows that it works, regardless of whether or not it hurts your fragile liberal feelings.

  152. FB says: • Website

    Very interesting to see the energetic bot and troll campaign here in response to this fine and necessary article.

    I have to wonder if these fools actually the drink their own koolaid? Uighurs? Re-education camps? How many Uighurs are in those camps? And how many are incarcerated inside US prisons, including those lovely ‘supermax’ facilities?

    The United States has over TWO MILLION people behind bars, according to wikipedia. China, a country with nearly FIVE TIMES as many people has 1.7 million incarcerated people.

    How many people are killed by police in China each year? The US rate is over 1,000 civilians extra-judicially EXECUTED by law enforcement EACH YEAR [source].

    US police killings by race category of the deceased.

    In both prison population and civilian extra-judicial executions, the US ‘leads’ the entire world by a wide margin.

    And yet these state department and NED drones are supposedly doing us, the ordinary folks, a ‘favor’ by pointing to the speck in China’s eye, while hiding the beam in their own.

    That’s no favor folks. If you fall for this bullshit you are only harming yourself as a citizen who deserves to be HONESTLY informed, not manipulated with fake, passive-aggressive information.

    • Thanks: dogbumbreath
  153. Mefobills says:
    @FB

    Read Anon’s comment and see if you disagree.

    https://www.unz.com/ghood/china-trolls-the-wests-delusions-and-hypocrisies/#comment-4405591

    Instead of steering China to bide its time and rise quietly as advised by Deng Xiao Peng, Xi the megalomaniac announced one too many grandiose ambitions like the BRI and the expansion of the navy to the Spratly Islands.

    The expansion also to include a blue water navy – which did trigger the Atlantacists. Atlantacism requires power projection via a blue water navy. China doesn’t need aircraft carriers for defensive type area denial military.

    Here is an echo from History, where the Kaiser screwed up, and probably precipitated world war. We are living in the aftermath of their stupidity. The Kaiser poked the eye of Sauron, who resides in London and Wall Street. I’m sure the Kaiser was measuring the size of his member relative to England, but it wasn’t smart.

    https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/the-naval-race-between-britain-and-germany-before-the-first-world-war

  154. antibeast says:
    @anon

    What public policy? The Uighurs just want to retain their conservative way of life that eschews the kind of soulless materialism that the Chinese government prescribed for its people.

    For some reason, you sound like another US Deep State troll who feign ignorance of the well-documented attempts by Wahhabists to infiltrate, brainwash and destabilize Muslim populations all over the world, including the Uyghurs in Xinjiang.

    The Huis outnumber the Uyghurs and have been Muslim for more than 1,500 years in China. How does the Chinese State treat Hui Muslims? Are they allowed to ‘retain their religiously conservative way of life’ based on Islam? Yes, of course. China’s public policies treat all Chinese citizens equally under the law irrespective of their religion which is treated as a private affair in China.

    But the Uyghur Wahhabists in Xinjiang want Islamic Shariah Laws to replace the secular policies of the Chinese State. They even insist that ALL residents of Xinjiang must abide by those Islamic Shariah Laws, including Hui Muslims who practice the Islamic faith all over China. In other words, the Wahhabists want to “Islamicize” Xinjiang by turning it into an “Islamic State”, complete with Islamic Shariah Laws.

    What is the “socialist” nature of the PRC anyway? From what I see China has the worst of both worlds – the rapacious nature of capitalism combined with the totalitarian nature of communism.

    China’s market economy is the result of Deng’s liberal reforms which followed the neoliberal policies promoted by the West. But Xi wants to reign-in the private-sector by aligning them with the ‘nationalist’ policies of the State to serve the national interest.

    The people of China do not have freedom to think, or choose what they wish to believe in. The government tells them what to think, and what to believe.

    That’s a Western misconception. It’s Westerners who don’t know how to think but they know how to criticize something they don’t understand.

    Having thus relinquished intellectualism and its examination of a meaningful life based on ethics and spirituality, the Chinese have become a soulless, materialistic, selfish, pleasure seeking people who live to mindlessly hoard and consume.

    Not true at all. Quite the opposite has happened under Xi’s revival of Classical and traditional Chinese Culture in all aspects of Chinese life. But religion is strictly controlled and subject to supervision by the State, especially Wahhabist Islam which is now being ‘excised’ from Xinjiang.

    Their only form of spirituality comes in the form of blind patriotism, as prescribed and cultivated by their government. Everywhere they go in the country big brother bears down on them without giving them an inch of freedom, cameras everywhere, digital currency, hukou registration etc. The Chinese take pride in showing off how modern their cities have become, all I see is soullessness and a mindless worship for money and success. Modern China, like Modern Korea, Japan, will lead the world down the abyss just like the Jews.

    Let me paraphrase your last paragraph for you:

    Their only form of spirituality comes in the form of blind liberalism, as prescribed and cultivated by political correctness. Everywhere they go in the West the PC police bears down on them without giving them an inch of freedom, identity politics everywhere, digital social media, voter harvesting fraud, etc. Westerners take pride in showing off how progressive their cities have become, all I see is anti-White political correctness and a mindless worship for gay rights and feminazi success. The post-Modern West, just like the Roman Empire, will lead the world down the abyss just like the Jews.

  155. @anon

    Huis, Chinese muslims, have had mosques in Beijing and across China for well over 1000 years and occupied posts in politics, military and acadmeia for centuries. If the CCP is at fault for anything, that’s being way too open for “business and partnership” with Ziocorporate globalism, which is a bad long-term strategy for any real nation-state no matter what wonders Kissinger sent Nixon to sell to Mao in the 70s or what investment deals the EU offers now, such business should be a stepping stone to something better than doesn’t include the parasitic scum.

    As for repression, there’s no comparison to make: the US with 320 million people has 2,4 million in jail, China with 1,4 billion people has 1,6 million in jail. Now, you may argue that the US jewstice system is more effective, and I would agree there; it is way more effective for the profiteering practices of corporate prison operators.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
  156. Molip says:
    @anon

    The relevant question to ask here, Molip, is whether you would object to the Federal Government using the same Chinse methods on Americans in Red state as part of Reconstruction 2.0. FEMA reeducation camps for good old boys and gals.

    I’d love to see it actually. But what I was referring to was that there are other ways to combat terrorism that don’t kill hundreds of thousands and displace tens of millions around the globe.

    It is the height of hypocrisy for the US to sanction China for using a EFFECTIVE and relatively humane way of dealing with the problem. It is targeted to a few million and could be construed as constructive compared to the savage and enormously destructive methods of the West.

    And why do I care about about the US using sanctions to club the rest of the planet into submission? Because I have both a heart and a brain. The US is in decline and the day will come when the rest of the world does to the US what it is now doing to them.

    And that will hurt. Lots.

  157. @Curmudgeon

    Once Stalin … stiffed the international bankers, it was all downhill. … Now “Uncle Joe” became mass murderer Stalin, not that he wasn’t all along.

    I’ve come to understand it slightly differently: That Stalin was pumped up by the American media as long as he was accommodating to the Jews in his regime. But whenever he indulged in a purge of those functionaries, the American media turned on him.

    I do recall that Stalin was apparently waging a “witch hunt” against his five or six Jewish doctors when he died under mysterious circumstances in 1953. He was accusing them of poisoning other top Soviet officials and was allegedly planning a more widespread purge of Jews in general. I also seem to remember he was getting bad press in the U.S. at about the same time
    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/true-story-death-stalin-180965119/

    Of course, any allegation that Stalin was poisoned by those same doctors would just be another blood libel.

  158. Yee says:
    @anon

    “First, what China is doing in Africa is imperialism, just in a different form …… What does Africa get out of it? A few top brass in the government became filthy rich, the people gained nothing except seeing Chinese taking over their countries, but majority aren’t a penny richer.”

    Really, it’s very moving to see Americans worry so much about Africa’s well-being…However, you don’t seem to realize that Africa is no where on the list of major suppliers of China.

    China’s major suppliers of natural resources are: oil pruducing Gulf states, Australia, Bazil, Russia, USA, Canada, Chile, Peru, New Zealand, some Central Asia Stans, only Angola and Nigeria show any significant export to China, the rest of Africa is waaay down on the list.

    I think you should worry about the Arabs, Aussies, Latinos, Russians, Americans “people gained nothing except a few top brass become filthy rich”. Why, you don’t even get infrastructure out of the deal.

  159. @d dan

    In China, politics/government controls capital (e.g. the Ant Group) and social media & media. In the U.S., capital controls politics and social media & media.

  160. denk says:

    Pelosi on the made in USA HK riots..

    What a beautiful sight to behold

    Chinese FM spokesman,
    Hua Choon YIng

    Dont get too smug dear,
    karma is a bitch !

    HK was the appetizer,
    here came the coup de grâce
    COVID
    CertificateOfVaccineID

    WarSJ

    China Is the Real Sick Man of Asia
    Walter Russell Mead

    The mighty Chinese juggernaut has been humbled this week, apparently by a species-hopping bat virus. While Chinese authorities struggle to control the epidemic and restart their economy, a world that has grown accustomed to contemplating China’s inexorable rise was reminded that nothing, not even Beijing’s power, can be taken for granted.

    If Pelosi was pure schadenfreude,
    Do I detect a Freudian slip here ?
    Who says the Chinese cant be stopped ?’

    Here’s Wilbur Ross, to rub it in…

    THIS IS OUR VICTORY LAP !
    Plague Big Opportunity, Rat Says
    https://gizmodo.com/plague-big-opportunity-rat-says-1841363830

    YOur slip is showing !

  161. anon[394] • Disclaimer says:
    @Chinaman

    Hong Kong will be liberated. Respect for human rights will be restored. PLA aggression won’t be tolerated. One famous Hong Konger put it nicely: “China is asshole.”

    • Troll: Commentator Mike
    • Replies: @Daemon
    , @Yee
  162. FB says: • Website
    @Mefobills

    Nonsense.

    You don’t seem to have your own argument, but lead instead with that anonymous twit who sounds like some little Joshua Wong wannabe. His ‘comment’ here is half-baked NED claptrap.

    As for Xi being like the Kaiser, that is beyond silly. The Kaiser was hell bent on war and getting his share of colonial Africa and Asia. That he wanted war is proved by his reckless backing of Austria’s aggression against Serbia. He knew Russia would come to Serbia’s defense, and he knew that Russia’s allies France and England would step in if it came to that. Like Hitler, he thought he could win.

    Xi is no Kaiser dreaming of an overseas empire, and certainly no Hitler. He hasn’t even sent any military assistance to Syria, where thousands of Uighur terrorists [Turkestan Islamic Party] are carrying on a murderous campaign against the Syrian government and civilians, and many of whom will eventually come home to roost in China. He would be smart to clean them out in situ in Syria.

    China built the bomb five decades ago, which was a lot more ‘provocative’ than building out its navy now, both of which it has every right to do of course. And is in fact wise to do so, in order to deter aggression.

    US continues sheltering Taiwan, a legitimate part of China, and continues to foment civil unrest in Hong Kong, much to the detriment of the local populace.

    Like I said, US complaints against Xi amount to ‘stop hitting my fist with your face.’

  163. @Ugetit

    Alexander conquest was 330 BC.
    Before Rome there was Latin kingdom established about 500BC

  164. @Anonymous

    In Turkey the Mosks have paintings of the first sultans. They’re chinks alright. I met an Uzbekian there as well, he could easily understand the language and knew all about the history too.

    • Replies: @Anon
  165. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ber

    Wikipedia has an excellent article about the Turkic mixed asian Caucasian peoples of whom the Seljuk and Ottoman Turk tribes who conquered present day Turkey are just one group.

  166. ..alba .. says:
    @Ber

    that you are a ridiculous jewish troll one of the worst i have ever read in this site

  167. Daemon says:
    @anon

    Memes are not a substitute for power.

  168. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alexandros

    The sultans stopped marrying and having children with Turkish women around 1200 AD. From then on, the Mothers were all Slavic slaves. So within 4 generations the sultans were caucasians. Their daughters married upper class Turks. Their were enough Slavic slaves, men and women for the rest of the population to turn Caucasian in a couple hundred years.

    African men slaves were castrated. White men slaves weren’t. They had children too. Gazillions of black slave women too. But no mulattos because of compulsory abortion and infanticide. Plus, they started in NE China about 4,000 years ago and married captured the Caucasians they met as they moved west.

    Castration abortion and infanticide of black slaves was a conscious decision. Becoming Caucasian was natural, like the Spanish in America becoming more Indian.

    Some historians observers at the time claimed it was young men leaving the tribe with no women and capturing Caucasian women as they move west. Like the Vikings raiding Ireland for women on their way to Iceland and Greenland.

    Reason the sultans stopped marrying Turks was they did not want the aristocratic families of the queens messing, intriguing and fomenting revolutions. Excellent way to achieve stability. Horrible for the little Slavic girls captured in Tartar raids.

    Plus, everybody wants those gorgeous Slavic blondes. They went all the way to Greenland on slave raiding trips. One day the yearly ship from Norway arrived. The settlement was burned down and the Norwegians were gone. A few days later the native Eskimos came out of hiding and described the ships and flags who’d taken the Norwegians away. Turkish ships and flags.

    Been fucking with us Europeans and our central Asian brothers like Armenians since about 700AD .

    Fascinating fascinating history. Although they only became literate about 1500 years ago. So a lot of the history wasn’t written. Chinese and other literate people’s they invaded have a lot to say about them. Chinese Indians Persians Armenians always described them as completely round faced small nose narrow eyes straight black hair Asians. They travelled from Siberia to Morocco and Poland.

    • Thanks: Alexandros
    • Replies: @Alexandros
  169. Yee says:
    @anon

    You mean the HKers who waved US/UK national flags?

    Really, imagine some Americans who wave Israel national flag and storm the US legislature with open Mossad involvement, and they want to be liberated by Israel. What do you call them?

    • LOL: antibeast
    • Replies: @Daemon
    , @anon
  170. @Anon

    I knew about the Slavic slaves part and I did expect to see a few blue eyes because of it. But I didn’t see a single set of blue eyes all the times I’ve been there. Maybe one or two, but I think they were Russians/Ukranians who live there.

    That being said I quite like it there. Not because it’s a great country, but because it’s like taking a step 40-50 years back. You feel a sense of freedom there that no longer exist in the West. And you actually feel safe in the cities there. No doubt because the police cracks down hard on criminals, but I also think the religion has a soothing effect. Imagine being in Istanbul with 13 million and you feel safer than in a Scandinavian city of 500,000. Eye opener.

  171. @Mefobills

    The other soft-powers include things like Hollywood, or Japanese Anime to influence culture.

    A whole generation of American kids grew up watching Japanese anime, hence Japanese soft power.

    Moral authority and legends – those things other than military, are soft power.

    China is low on the scale of soft power. Xi is poking the eye of Sauron too soon, as China has not developed full spectrum capability yet.

    My point was only to show China having zero soft power is incorrect.

    I agree China can improve soft power. However, if you examine traditional Chinese soft power like Taoism (Tao Te Ching), Qi-gong, Wing-Chun, Acupuncture, Traditional Chinese medicine, authentic Chinese cuisine etc…it seems these things only appeal to people with a higher IQ and/or in a position to care about health and well-being. Unfortunately, the majority of Americans do not fall into this group and thus would not be attracted regardless of “soft power” skills. If you look at Tik-Tok, you can appreciate China’s will to create soft power attractive to the American masses but Trump killed that one with good old fashion “sanction”.

    Anyway, I made a post a couple of weeks ago that was removed. In it I mentioned how China and every other major economy was already a servant of the NWO (Sauron, Mammon) via it’s proxy organizations (BIS, IMF, World Bank, FSB etc..). If you look at the BIS member Central Banks, the Peoples Bank of China and others (USA, Japan, UK etc) are included.

    https://www.bis.org/about/member_cb.htm?m=1%7C2%7C601

    John Titus made a short documentary highlighting the power of the FSB (BIS proxy). These guys can subvert any countries legal Sovereignty:

    China bad, America good brouhaha is simply to keep the sheep pre-occupied/confused.
    With the passing of 2020, it’s obvious the NWO and it’s proxies (WHO etc) have a firm grip on every government in the World. Using “one-sided” science (PCR-tests, lockdowns, face masks etc) to continue this Plan-demic to the detriment of the population requires a Global Government. Perhaps I’m naive but at this point, soft power is irrelevant because the Global Government decides a countries hierarchy, not the people.

    • Replies: @FB
    , @Mefobills
  172. Daemon says:
    @Yee

    Really, imagine some Americans who wave Israel national flag and storm the US legislature with open Mossad involvement, and they want to be liberated by Israel. What do you call them?

    Greatest Ally.

  173. d dan says:
    @Mefobills

    “Instead of steering China to bide its time and rise quietly as advised by Deng Xiao Peng, Xi the megalomaniac announced one too many grandiose ambitions like the BRI and the expansion of the navy to the Spratly Islands.”

    “The expansion also to include a blue water navy – which did trigger the Atlantacists. Atlantacism requires power projection via a blue water navy. China doesn’t need aircraft carriers for defensive type area denial military.”

    Wow, the comments of some of these Westerners can never stop amaze people. China is the 2nd (or 1st in some measures) largest economy in the world, with trades, people, businesses and investment interests throughout the world to protect. China’s possession of aircraft carriers is somehow considered megalomaniac. China should not even match long list of countries like Argentina, Thailand, Italy, Brazil, each all have their own aircraft carriers.

    • Replies: @Mefobills
  174. anon[661] • Disclaimer says:
    @Yee

    Well, I will let the man speak for himself:

    I don’t see the guy waving an American flag.

    • Replies: @anon
  175. FB says: • Website
    @dogbumbreath

    My point was only to show China having zero soft power is incorrect.

    Some of the discussion here is ridiculous, from people who have no clue what ‘soft power’ actually is.

    China has plenty of soft power, which they most notably demonstrated on the very Uighur issue, when they secured the SUPPORT, ENDORSEMENT and PUBLIC PRAISE of the major Islamic umbrella groups.

    The organization of Islamic Countries, for instance, OIC, based in Saudia, and includes all the major Muslim countries, 57 to be exact.

    In a March 2019 resolution, the OIC said it “commends the efforts of the People’s Republic of China in providing care to its Muslim citizens” after a delegation visited.

    –Al Monitor

    The same group is often very vocal about mistreatment of Muslims everywhere, including Israel and even the US and Europe.

    Literally a huge display of Chinese soft power, and a heavy slap in the face to US agitation on the Uighur non-issue.

    The same kind of diplomatic power is seen in the UN, where China also has the support of many countries, on the Uighur issue and on many others. It is the US and its claque who stand isolated in major world bodies, including the Security Council, where China is one of the five permanent members.

    Soft power consists of diplomacy and economic engagement first and foremost. Things like cultural products such as music and film are very far down on the list of anything that influences relations among countries. The idea of Japanese Anime being some sort of soft power is simply idiotic. I would suggest you take the ‘information’ presented by UNZ clowns here with a large grain of salt.

    • Replies: @Mefobills
  176. @Sue Dunham

    You say, “No one is born evil.”; are you sure of it?

  177. @follyofwar

    To most people Jews are just simply Jews and not YAHWEH, ISRAEL & ZIONISM but I get your point.

  178. @anonymous

    You rag on…

    “Do you think these so-called leaders have the power to change the Shariah laws? Lol!”

    Perhaps they do (like the late Shah of Iran) or perhaps they don’t (like late Gaddafi of Libya) or don’t want to (like late Nasser of Egypt) but the real question is do you, the most backward creed in the world, want to change laws prescribed by a dark age tribe, so that you may be able to function in the world to come or remain wallowing in the filth as you are now.

    Laugh out loud, indeed!

  179. @Sue Dunham

    Reminds me of this ICE T lyric:

    {So for them from the Rhyme Syndicate and Ice-T, I’d like to send
    This special shout out, ‘Fuck the police, fuck the F.B.I., fuck the D.E.A. Fuck the C.I.A., fuck Tipper Gore, Bush and his cripple bitch’
    This is Ice-T, I’m out of here, told you, you should’ve killed me last year}

    • Replies: @Sue Dunham
  180. Anon[110] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    hi relax. some chinese blood in your body does not make you a chinese. always remember that you have to be raised as a chinese to be a chinese, its even more important than the blood. since you’re not raised to be a chinese, you aren’t, you can’t, you won’t, you will never be.
    you have nothing to do with china. china have nothing to do with you. xi is talking to all chinese. not to you.
    you don’t need to worry for china the same way that china don’t need to worry for you. you let it go, OK? nothing to lose for you, right? don’t bother anymore, OK?
    don’t get brain washed about the fake root fake family fake everything. it’s not mdern, not real anymore.
    you are an american no matter those white/black/brown americans like it or not. over. done.

    • Agree: dogbumbreath
  181. anon[389] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    They didn’t wave American flag because you didn’t see it. You didn’t see it, therefore it didn’t happen.

    From ABC News.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  182. Mefobills says:
    @d dan

    China’s possession of aircraft carriers is somehow considered megalomaniac.

    Go back and re-read.

    I said it was too early. Don’t jump to conclusions.

    Also, China doesn’t need aircraft carriers for a close in area denial strategy, in the same way that Russia doesn’t need aircraft carriers.

    Then you somehow missed the analogy to Germany/Britain pre WW1.

    • Disagree: d dan
  183. Mefobills says:
    @FB

    Soft power consists of diplomacy and economic engagement first and foremost. Things like cultural products such as music and film are very far down on the list of anything that influences relations among countries. The idea of Japanese Anime being some sort of soft power is simply idiotic. I would suggest you take the ‘information’ presented by UNZ clowns here with a large grain of salt.

    Lots of butt-hurting going on:

    Here is a wikipedia definition:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soft_power

    In politics (and particularly in international politics), soft power is the ability to attract and co-opt, rather than coerce (contrast hard power). In other words, soft power involves shaping the preferences of others through appeal and attraction. A defining feature of soft power is that it is non-coercive; the currency of soft power includes culture, political values, and foreign policies.

    I guess anime is not part of Japanese culture? Diplomacy and economic engagement are only a part of soft power, it includes more:

    China is not high on the soft power scale.

    Are you people taking leave of your senses?

  184. Mefobills says:
    @dogbumbreath

    My point was only to show China having zero soft power is incorrect.

    I agree China can improve soft power.

    Exactly.

    China’s soft power is not developed enough yet. China should hire some western media consultants to put out a message.

    Russia has done well with foreign language soft power operations, such as RT.

  185. Anon[110] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    if your great grandma who had her sons and daughters in her 20s with her early lovers, got raped in her 30s by several different men and give birth to some other children, yet she is not educated enough to write down whether she ever married any man, plus she was so hurt/happy (who knows which) that she kept talking about those mighty rapists, does it make all your brothers and yourself proud and legal to claim/pick the legacy of the different rapiests for different convenient circumstances?
    Anyway, doesnt matter. that’s the story of Turks.

  186. @Anonymous

    They are diplomatically astute, not militarily aggressive, not subversive, and do not waste resources on arms races (their defense budget is much lower than ours as a fraction of their economy).

    Mostly incorrect. The Chinese are diplomatically retarded and seem unable to form meaningful alliances. Their way of dealing with other countries is through either bribery or intimidation. They can’t form meaningful partnerships let alone coalitions. They are militarily aggressive against ALL of their neighbors and claim the entire South China Sea.

    Confucianism was great for allowing the various ethnic groups of China to coalesce into one unified Han identity. It gave them all a universally accessible framework of morals and etiquette protocols which allowed them to interact and relate to one another. However Confucianism isn’t as morally universal as western philosophy and is very much a Chinese tribal system. For this reason, the Chinese have no idea how to deal with outsiders and their diplomatic skills are stunted.

    • Disagree: GomezAdddams
    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
    , @Yee
  187. anon[771] • Disclaimer says:
    @fish

    Wrong again.

  188. @Mefobills

    I bet Chinese soft power is stronger in the US (and elsewhere) than US soft power is in China, first on and through the Chinese communities in US and elsewhere, while there are far fewer Americans and whites in China who would consume US and western culture. It is only in the US that the arrogant media and propaganda outlets pretend that US is strong and influential elsewhere but the fact is that in China and in most of the rest of the world people just don’t know or care much about anything American. Very few Chinese know about American movies or pop stars as they prefer their own. Sure the US media makes a big splash about someone visiting China and of course in such a huge population they can find some fans and followers but their influence is a drop in the ocean of local Chinese culture. Chinese movie industry is on par with Hollywood in terms of production quality and the characters and themes are what the Chinese can relate to so why would they waste their time on American movies? You’d be surprised if some of these western stars walked down the street in China nobody would notice them or know who they were. Chinese in China and the rest of the world prefer to consume their own homegrown culture, and the same goes for Indians, Pakistanis, Latinos. This talk of “soft power” is overrated. So if some kids in the West read anime comics – what kind of “power” does it give to the Japs? And in terms of consumer goods in the West most come with the “Made in China” label – that’s quite a power level.

    • Agree: FB
  189. FB says: • Website
    @Mefobills

    My definition of DISNEYLAND: Receiving ‘wisdom’ from wikipedia.

    China is not high on the soft power scale.

    Are you people taking leave of your senses?

    And I suppose the US is? Being completely discredited by its blatant hypocrisy, as this very article points up. Washed up really in terms of credibility.

    US ‘soft power’ revolves mainly around its very extensive subversive activities with NGOs and cultivating ‘activist’ groups in many target countries…as well as its discredited MSM propaganda and ridiculous stink tank ‘analyses’, all of which are at this point a laughingstock, including among Americans.

    A little while ago some clownish British outfit had a lengthy article about how the UK is second only to the US in overall world power, lol…and supposedly wielded a lot of ‘soft power.’

    That may have been from that comically named Economist ‘Intelligence’ Unit, which was the same outfit that brought us that hilarious ‘pandemic preparedness ranking’ a few months before covid struck. It ranked the US and Britain in first and second place, lol.

    These clowns live in a funhouse world of illusions, with no connection to reality.

    As I demonstrated with the Islamic countries standing with China on the Uighur issue, China has plenty of real soft power, not the make-believe kind. And yes the idea of anime as being some kind of soft power is idiotic.

    • LOL: Rdm, Chinaman
    • Replies: @Mefobills
  190. @Mefobills

    China’s soft power is not developed enough yet.

    LOL. Just one example, Chinese martial arts popular since fifty years ago all over the world, especially among young people. Want more: acupuncture. Still more: I-Ching, Feng Shui, Taoist philosophy. And all more useful than bleeding Anime comics.

    • Replies: @FB
    , @dogbumbreath
  191. Mefobills says:

    LOL. Just one example, Chinese martial arts popular since fifty years ago all over the world, especially among young people. Want more: acupuncture. Still more: I-Ching, Feng Shui, Taoist philosophy.

    Yes, more of that. China hasn’t projected enough soft power.

    Do you ever read Linh?

    https://www.unz.com/author/linh-dinh/

    He constantly talks about the reach of Hollywood and American soft power, which then influences people.

    My team right or wrong?

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  192. FB says: • Website
    @Commentator Mike

    All good points Mike, but I still maintain that all of these things fall really under the rubric of what we might call ‘cultural exchange.’

    For instance, East Germany for decades hosted probably the world’s greatest population of foreign students [I was among them for a time]. That was a great way to form ties, especially in the developing world where most of those students came from.

    Things like movies are less influential than direct people-to-people exchanges like that, but real soft power is something else altogether.

    It does revolve mainly around diplomacy and economic engagement. Look at all the countries that are involved in BRI infrastructure projects. Those countries are not going to go along with the US when it is on the warpath against China in the UN or other world bodies. That is real influence.

    Now look at the diplomacy part where Russia is recognized as an honest broker by just about everyone other than the US and its vassals. Who could have guided the broken country of Syria towards resolution by bringing together Iran and Turkey into the Astana format? Even Obama signed on to Putin’s plan for eliminating Syria’s chemical weapons.

    Russian diplomacy just continues to solve thorny problems, like the resolution of that flareup in the Caucasus. When has US diplomacy ever resolved any kind of problem? The ‘deal of the century’ for the Palestianins?

    Look at what China and Russia are doing together with the SCO, the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, arguably a grouping that is far more influential than the discredited cold war tool Nato, that happened to morph into a cudgel for foreign military adventures in places like Iraq and Afghanistan.

    Fact is that the US and its vassals have completely lost credibility. Russia is back as an alternative in terms of diplomacy and armaments, while China is an attractive alternative for economic ties. The world at large now has a choice, and they are voting with their feet by signing up to BRI and that recent ASEAN deal and the RCEP with Europe and so on.

    People who say China is lacking in soft power really haven’t got a clue.

  193. Mefobills says:
    @FB

    US ‘soft power’ revolves mainly around its very extensive subversive activities with NGOs and cultivating ‘activist’ groups in many target countries…as well as its discredited MSM propaganda and ridiculous stink tank ‘analyses’, all of which are at this point a laughingstock, including among Americans.

    FB, you are going off the deep end.

    Go through the entirety of my comment history, and find out where I agree with NGO and discredited MSM propaganda.

    Soft power exists, it is part of propaganda, and China could do better. China only needs to speak truth to the false power of the West (the Eye of Sauron.)

    A little constructive criticism, and you get all bent out of shape. You are letting clown world get to you.

    Xi is pushing too hard and too early. Also, there is no need for a Chinese blue water navy, and that has triggered the Atlantacists.

    Xi should probably be removed for making such a gross miscalculation.

    • Replies: @Yee
  194. antibeast says:
    @Mefobills

    USA ‘soft power’ is Hollywood while China ‘soft power’ is BRI. The USA can only sell the make-believe ‘American Dream’ produced by Hollywood while China not only sells its BRI vision but actually gets down and dirty to build them for the non-West which comprises 90% of the world’s population.

    The problem with the ‘American Dream’ is that it’s not real while China’s BRI is real. Here’s the Pakistan PM Imran Khan telling his American TV host precisely that:

    Nobody believes in the ‘American Dream’ anymore because it’s as real as Disneyland and as fake as Hollywood.

    • Replies: @GomezAdddams
    , @Mefobills
  195. @ChaosCentral

    There are a lot of heart warming anti establishment sentiments in early hip hop. Of course, hip hop was mainstreamed and Ice T transformed into an actor. So my question is, was Ice T’s desire to fuck the CIA trumped by his desire to star in a network television drama, or were his lyrics insincere in the first place?

  196. @Mefobills

    Do you ever read Linh?

    Sure do. But it depends in what circles you move and what you look for. US and other Western cultural and culinary influences tend to be more popular among the middle classes in non-Western countries but they still consume, and mostly prefer, their own with the exception of a few completely Westernised snobbish types who consider their own culture to be below par or peasantish. Among the vast majority it is of no or little interest, other than for the soccer and basketball stars and clubs that are popular everywhere – most wouldn’t be going to a McDonald’s or Starbucks because it isn’t to their taste even if they could afford it. As far as economics and diplomacy are concerned China does probably as well as the US, if not more so, in Southeast Asia, although both are probably disliked by most locals, and there is little trust in either. Still the Chinese mentality, temperament and culture are closer to those of other Asian countries so they have an advantage there. And even Maoism is still popular among many of the poor and intellectual lefties in Philippines, Nepal, Columbia and a few other places. To tell the truth I think both the US and the Chinese are disliked by locals in many countries but for different reasons: the US for its politics and the Chinese for their character. But OK I guess the Chinese could do better if they tried.

    And do we really want more of this soft power by anybody? Too much of it can piss locals off.

  197. @Anonymous

    I’m not saying the US will succeed in its goal, only that China is the next “enemy”. The US functions on “enemies”, real or imagined.

  198. @Dutch Boy

    Forced abortions have always been illegal in China.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  199. @Commentator Mike

    LOL. Just one example, Chinese martial arts popular since fifty years ago all over the world, especially among young people. Want more: acupuncture. Still more: I-Ching, Feng Shui, Taoist philosophy. And all more useful than bleeding Anime comics.

    From Linh’s most recent article:

    https://www.unz.com/ldinh/unmatched-cairo/

    Chinese soft power in Egypt.

    In twelve days of roaming, I’ve encountered only a dozen whites and five Orientals. All over, I’ve been greeted with “welcome” by regular Egyptians, with some shouting “Ni hao!” thinking I’m Chinese. Turning a corner, I ran into an older man who suddenly clasped his hands together and bowed, kung fu movie style, while mumbling something in Arabic.

    In hindsight, Chinese soft power is weak only in Western countries because the mainstream media is so effective at projecting anti-China propaganda.

  200. @I'm Tyrone

    The Chinese are diplomatically retarded and seem unable to form meaningful alliances?

    Their SCO security alliance has four nuclear powers as members; their BRI embraces two-thirds of the world’s nations; the RCEP is the world’s largest trading bloc….

    • Thanks: Mary Marianne
    • Replies: @Chinaman
    , @I'm Tyrone
  201. @Mefobills

    China’s soft power is not developed enough yet. China should hire some western media consultants to put out a message.

    Like I said in my previous post, Chinese “soft power” like Taoism (Tao Te Ching), Qi-gong, Wing-Chun, Acupuncture, Traditional Chinese medicine, authentic Chinese cuisine etc…appeal to people with a higher IQ and in social position to care about their health….the average American does not qualify.

    If China were to hire western media consultants, the results would be lies and deception to the detriment of the masses.

    • Replies: @Mefobills
  202. Yee says:
    @I'm Tyrone

    “They are militarily aggressive against ALL of their neighbors and claim the entire South China Sea.”

    I believe that’s India who is aggressive to all it’s neighbors… China has 14 bordering countries on land. The only one we have a border dispute is India.

    South China Sea was claimed by the former Chinese government at the time when no one claim it. So it’s an inheritance. And anyway, what China claim is histrorical rights, which means the exercise of rights can be very flexible, and China is willing to work out a peaceful solution with countries involved.

    As for forming alliances, China does not want to. Because when you do that, you’d be forced to make more enemies than you want to… Better depend on yourself and stay out of other people’s trouble.

    • Replies: @I'm Tyrone
  203. Yee says:
    @Mefobills

    You’ve forgotten Obama’s “pivot to Asia”. That was in 2010 when China did nothing to trigger the US. The Chinese leadership would have been stupid not to build up military quickly.

    • Agree: GomezAdddams
    • Replies: @Mefobills
    , @Mary Marianne
  204. anonymous[778] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    Thank you for posting a video that basically shows how Hong Kongers resent encroachment by the CCP into their life. I appreciate your contribution to the struggle against CCP aggression. Funny how you think a small minority of protestors waving American flags is a big deal, but you don’t mind the Hong Kong police (under pressure from their CCP-influenced government) using American-made tear gas, riot control gear, and weapons against the people of Hong Kong.

    • Troll: d dan
    • Replies: @Chinaman
  205. @obvious

    Why does every story have to turn into the reductio ad palestinium?

    Some suck up to Cathay, some to Jewry, and some to Araby.

  206. @Godfree Roberts

    Forced abortions have always been illegal in China.

    Unforced abortions were illegal in the US for ages, and even longer in Canada. Didn’t stop them. Why would China’s law stop government policy?

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  207. denk says:
    @Mefobills

    Diplomacy and economic engagement are only a part of soft power, it includes more:

    China is not high on the soft power scale.

    Diplomacy

    Lots of posters here keep saying ‘China’s aggressiveness is driving all its friends to the US’.
    Classic blaming the victim claptrap.
    https://www.unz.com/article/china-trade-war-americas-policy-dilemma/#comment-3333610

    economic engagement

    Chinese/FUKUS economy are joint a the hip, it doesnt stop the ptb from going for China’s jugular.

    China is Oz’s biggest customer.,
    It doesnt stop Ozzies from biting the hand that feed them.

    Post Brexit, LOndon is eyeing Chinese market, but it doesnt stop the RN from riling the water in China’s backyard.
    https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/new-british-carrier-group-s-first-deployment-to-east-asia-seen-as-show-of-force-targeting-china

    CULTURE

    China set up Confucius centers in the west, [[[they]]] say those are spy outposts and shut them down.

    mORal of the story…..

    There’s a jungle out there.

    China used to be all softy and cuddly, roll on one side playing dead, even turned the other cheek.
    It didnt work.
    The Chinese are wise up now, some people only understand the language of might.
    Beijing is starting to return the favor these days.
    The west cry out in horror, ‘Look at those nasty chicoms and their wolf diplomacy’

    Damn if you do, damned if you dont.
    YOu simply cant please some people

    China should just do it.
    The west be damned.

    • Thanks: dogbumbreath
  208. @Reg Cæsar

    China’s law did stop forced abortions.
    As far as I know, there were only two and both perps were prosecuted.

  209. China’s law did stop forced abortions.
    As far as I know, there were only two and both perps were prosecuted.

    And Steven Mosher just happened to be present at one of them? What are the odds of that?

  210. Chinaman says:
    @anon

    The people of China do not have freedom to think, or choose what they wish to believe in.

    When we were poor and beguiled by the the false dawn of Communism, you said China should adopt Capitalism but pessimistic about that prospect since the Chinese were innately incapable of enterprise and lack a Protestant work ethic. They will never be able to build monuments of industry like the Empire State Building!

    Now that our skyscrapers are nicer and China embrace the “can-do” “greed is good” creed that came from America -became more American than America- you make the haughty observation that these capitalist earthly pursuits are indicative of a species that is soulless and philistine. These people are incapable of introspection, inner cultivation and philosophy. ( Confucius? )

    Do you know how unbearably hypocritical you ( and utu) sound to the average Chinese ?

    Do you have any idea how pathetic you sound? I really feel sad for you.

    Can you keep the mental masturbating to yourself and not turn it into a public spectacle?

  211. Chinaman says:
    @anonymous

    I am from HK and I hate America. Those treasonous rioters on TV were paid by the CIA don’t represent me.

    I am genuinely grateful that you still find time to worry about me and the people of HK when your own country is on the brink of collapse with COVID and civil war.

    Please don’t worry about me. The CCP ain’t tear gassing me or using weapons against me.

    That is happening in America.

    The CCP don’t murder its own people when they trespass a government building, this went on for a year in HK.

    Why don’t you struggle against America aggression and denounce the Capitol Hill Massacre?

  212. Chinaman says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Sounds like you are praising and not warning against the China threat.

    Where does your allegiance lie?

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  213. @antibeast

    The American nightmare is yet to come —–via Baltimore’s Nancy Pelosi having Biden set aside for Kamala who will experience a misfortunate accident and 2022 voila –Hillary Clinton appears with Bill in tow as Vice President and fantasy island is compulsory viewing—Lockdown Saturday Night Twilight Zone —

  214. @anon

    Where is your office at National Endowment for Democracy or is it working for Zenz in Germany?

    • Agree: FB
  215. Mefobills says:
    @Yee

    The pivot to asia was because MIC had already become alarmed at losing the military supply chain. The MIC had lost industry to China.

    There were already moves afoot, such as the DF-21D anti-ship (aircraft carrier). The C terminal guided variant was already deployed in 2010.

    I’m getting the feeling like I am having to state the obvious, like the “sky is blue” and people here are telling me it is not

    The plain fact of the matter is that China is developing deep blue water capability, or denying the capability to globo-homo. That is a mistake. Even Russia is not bothering with aircraft carriers, as it is a land power. The belt and road is primarily over LAND and uses RAIL, with only a few small interdiction points across water. Those small interdiction points can be controlled with close in area denial.

    Anon, who says he is Chinese made some good points, that everybody is studiously avoiding. Even D-Dan accused me of being stupid westerner, when I reposted a Chinese comment.

    China does not have good soft power developed yet, and anybody who denies that is not acting in good faith. It is an observable fact, like the sky is blue.

    https://www.unz.com/ghood/china-trolls-the-wests-delusions-and-hypocrisies/#comment-4405591

    Some of you knuckleheads even claimed his comment was that of a deep state troll. A deep state troll will not say something like this.

    This puts all ethnic Chinese outside China in a bind. No matter where they live, they are now suspected of “dual loyalty”. Who is he to claim ownership over all ethnic Chinese?

    Xi is god and anything negative claimed about China, even if it is constructive criticism, brings out weirdness, where people are emotionally invested. My team right or wrong!

    I welcome our eventual AI overlord. Too many humans have monkey brains.

    • LOL: FB
    • Troll: d dan
  216. Mefobills says:
    @dogbumbreath

    You’ve got a good and funny point.

    Let’s modify it. Hire some “good” western propagandists, who can put out a good message.

    China has a lot of positive things they are doing

    When I criticize China, it is mostly for stealing other countries patrimony. That needs to come to stop, especially now that China is at parity.

    Also, anybody who denies that China did not do this in the past (stealing patrimony), and still to some degree does it now, is not acting in good faith. Godfrey, that means you. And also any Chinese apologist who becomes triggered by the truth of things.

  217. Mefobills says:
    @antibeast

    The problem with the ‘American Dream’ is that it’s not real while China’s BRI is real.

    Why do I have to keep repeating the obvious?

    Yes, the American dream is a jewly-wood creation, where they export images and not reality.

    The China BRI is real, and its first incarnation was the American System of Economy.

    Here is a link where Ehret makes it explicit:

    https://thesaker.is/unipolar-vs-multipolar-the-death-of-mckinley-and-the-loss-of-americas-soul/

    A major battle which has been intentionally obscured from history books took place in the wake of Lincoln’s murder and the re-ascension of the City of London-backed slave power during the decades after the Union victory of 1865. On the one hand America’s role in the emerging global family of nations was being shaped by followers of Lincoln who wished to usher in an age of win-win cooperation. Such an anti-Darwinian system which Adams called “a community of principle” asserted that each nation had the right to sovereign banking controls over private finance, productive credit emissions tied to internal improvements with a focus on continental (rail/road) development, industrial progress and full spectrum economies. Adherents of this program included Russia’s Sergei Witte and Alexander II, Germany’s Otto von Bismarck, France’s Sadi Carnot, and leading figures within Japan’s Meiji Restoration.

    I am going to say the obvious again, and I am right. China’s soft power is not developed enough YET – and they need to work on that. This is constructive criticism, and yet many here are being triggered.

    That some are being triggered is alarming to me.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  218. antibeast says:
    @Mefobills

    I am going to say the obvious again, and I am right. China’s soft power is not developed enough YET – and they need to work on that. This is constructive criticism, and yet many here are being triggered.

    We’re actually in agreement here as the only thing we differ on is your definition of ‘soft power’ which is the Hollywood/Disneyland variety consisting of the fake ‘American Dream’ while my definition of ‘soft power’ is Xi’s BRI. Both represents ‘soft power’ but the USA version focuses more on ‘brainwashing’ the world using the Western Media, Hollywood/Disneyland, PC police, ‘Color Revolutions’, etc. while the Chinese version seeks to improve the standard of living of developing countries by building infrastructure under the BRI.

    By all means, China should hire more Western marketing experts who could help build a more positive Chinese ‘brand’ instead of relying on bland and boring CCP apparatchiks. But too much marketing could destroy the ‘brand’ especially when China still has a long way to go before reaching its desired state. The US Deep State spends enormous sums of money to finance the ‘soft power’ of the USA, including infiltrating the Western Media, Hollywood/Disneyland, think tanks, NGOs, etc. But the end-goal of the US Deep State is to subvert foreign countries by manipulating their politics to serve US interests while the Chinese don’t want to interfere in the internal politics of foreign countries. If the Chinese start behaving like the Americans, then foreigners can and will accuse China of being ‘imperialist’. There are different ways to influence the policies of foreign countries. The Chinese prefer economic means while the Americans resort to political subversion.

  219. d dan says:

    Examples of China’ soft power that are seldom/never reported in Western media (and more):

    [1] “Why not make Philippines a province of China?” – Philippines President Duterte
    [2] “I’d side with rich China over fickle US” – Malaysia’s former PM Mahathir Mohamad
    [3] Serbian President Aleksandar Vučić kisses Chinese flag as support team arrives
    [4] “… a patient investment attitude and a genuine commitment to renegotiate and negotiate and discuss again and again and again with us… would also benefit us in a non-colonial manner. ” – former Greek Finance Minister Yanis Varoufakis

    [1] https://www.rappler.com/nation/duterte-philippines-province-china
    [2] https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/politics/article/2189074/id-side-rich-china-over-fickle-us-malaysias-mahathir
    [3] https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-03-22/Serbian-president-kisses-Chinese-flag-as-support-team-arrives–P3FlpiEMBa/index.html
    [4] https://www.yanisvaroufakis.eu/2017/10/27/on-china-as-a-patient-investor-project-syndicate-video/

    Cambodia busy street named after Chairman Mao:

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    , @denk
  220. FB says: • Website
    @d dan

    All true, but since there’s no anime involved, there can’t possibly be any ‘soft power.’ 😂

  221. @Mefobills

    Very good point… The formation of the SCO after the US invaded Afghanistan by Russia in China was precisely because of their Chechen and Uighur issues. Russia and China coordinated with all the Central Asian “stans” to prevent the easy migration and training of jihadists.

  222. @Ber

    Good question… The Uighurs are a mix match of Turkic and Mongoloid people – they aren’t fully Turkic. In the same way you will see indigenous people in Siberia who in the same family you will see some that look Turkic and some that look like Mongols. In any event the group we now know as the Uighurs settled in Xinjiang actually at the behest of the Han Chinese rulers of the Tang Dynasty. China first controlled the area in the Han Dynasty (yes the same time as the Roman Empire you mention)…. But there was no such thing as Uighurs yet. During the Tang Dynasty – they wanted who became the Uighurs to help keep the area stable as those people would fight the Mongol tribes and the Tibetan Empire to the south. Like the Han Dynasty – the Tang Dynasty found it too expensive and troublesome to keep the territory which was so far from the center of the seat of power. That was when the Uighurs began to dominate – while still fighting the Tibetans and Mongols.
    This series below is the best history of the region I’ve seen gathered in one place… This guy did his homework. The whole series if over 5 hours but it’s broken into 30 minute bites. The guy is in California – but he sure knows Central Asia and Chinese history:

    • Replies: @Ber
  223. @Mefobills

    Yes I was trying to explain that to someone named “Smith” on another thread…. Russia and China are leading the charge to break the US dollar hegemony and that is why they are hated by the western world. Both of them are the biggest buyers of gold on the market.
    Also hated is that they are bypassing SWIFT and directly trading in Yuan and Rubles. Russia became China’s biggest supplier of foreign energy – passing Saudi Arabia. They don’t need US dollars for that. Another reason they are both hated. In fact – Saudi Arabia is now considering letting China pay in Yuan – hoping to claw back some ground from Russia. That would be a HUGE issue for US dollar hegemony if the Saudis do it. The calculus then becomes – does the US try to invade Saudi Arabia to prevent it? Or do they just assassinate some?
    Iran is still selling oil to China – and they aren’t using US dollars. Venezuela can’t refine anymore – but they are trading gold for Iranian oil. Another lost cause by the US gov.

    And yes – you mentioned the AIIB – but also note that they developed the New Development Bank (located in Shanghai) which loans to the BRICS countries (Brazil-Russia-India-China-South Africa). The main feature of that bank is that it loans out in local currencies rather than US dollars.

    Again – more reason to hate Russia and China.

  224. @dogbumbreath

    Oh no – China doesn’t forget the 1800’s one bit… When this relic was returned last month it caused a huge stir and many wanted to see it. The looting of the summer palace while truthful in it’s account by the BBC – downplays the theft. Memoirs of the British and French noted they had never seen such an opulent place… Imagine the “communists” restoring the ultimate symbol of wealth in all of Asia (if not the world). Makes me laugh at the people who say “China only makes cheap junk”.
    But the return of the horse is indeed an interesting tale. It sounds like the plot of a Jackie Chan movie… Macau/Hong Kong mogul buys stolen Chinese relic and returns it to the mother land. All that’s missing is the martial arts and the battle against international gangs and the collaboration with local traitors LOL… But I am sure there are lots of international intrigue behind the auction purchase.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-55154918

    https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-12-27/Old-Summer-Palace-starts-new-round-of-cultural-relic-restoration-Wz7ijD4dS8/index.html

  225. @Adûnâi

    Why are Chinese men proud of banning the veil?

    Chinese women, on the whole, were not expected to wear/did not wear, veils before the PRC was declared.

    Why are Chinese men proud of banning the veil and giving their own women the right to be whores?

    Where are you from?

    The Chinese Communists, like most other Communists, believe in everyone having equal political rights. Since they wanted as many people on their side as they could have in their revolution/civil war; to persuade women to help them (and half the population was female) they would have had to have to have had equal rights for women as part of their program, in any case. They think that women HAVE equal rights, not because men have given them these rights, but because they are human beings. They were, so to say, merely rectifying the previous situation in which men had taken most of women’s rights away and arrogated them to themselves.

    So far from “giving their own women the right to be whores” They have imposed a law which makes rape a crime potentially carrying the death penalty, as is also “trafficking in women or children.”

    (BTW You mean, men don’t have a right to be whores?)

  226. @Abdul Alhazred

    You’re forgetting Operation Paperclip and the analogous Operation to import Unit 731. https://www.amazon.com/731-America-Exploited-Biological-Weapons/dp/B078SF2C7S

  227. Respectable political opinion in the West is mostly nonsense.

    With regards to Russia and China it’s all scripted as per National Security Council (NSC) Directive 5412 issued during the Dwight D. Eisenhower administration. It is commonly and better known in the Alternative-media as “Operation Mockingbird.”

    Here are the relevant paragraphs from NSC Directive 5412 of March 15, 1954:

    [MORE]

    NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL DIRECTIVE ON COVERT OPERATIONS

    1.   The National Security Council, taking cognizance of the vicious covert activities of the USSR and Communist China and the governments, parties and groups dominated by them (hereinafter collectively referred to as “International Communism”) to discredit and defeat the aims and activities of the United States and other powers of the free world, determined, as set forth in NSC directives 10/2 and 10/5, that, in the interests of world peace and U.S. national security, the overt foreign activities of the U.S. Government should be supplemented by covert operations.

    2.   The Central Intelligence Agency had already been charged by the National Security Council with conducting espionage and counterespionage operations abroad. It therefore seemed desirable, for operational reasons, not to create a new agency for covert operations, but, subject to directives from the NSC, to place the responsibility for them on the Central Intelligence Agency and correlate them with espionage and counterespionage operations under the over-all control of the Director of Central Intelligence.

    3.   The NSC has determined that such covert operations shall to the greatest extent practicable, in the light of U.S. and Soviet capabilities and taking into account the risk of war, be designed to:

    a.  Create and exploit troublesome problems for International Communism, impair relations between the USSR and Communist China and between them and their satellites, complicate control within the USSR, Communist China and between them and their satellites, and retard the growth of the military and economic potential of the Soviet bloc.

    b.  Discredit the prestige and ideology of International Communism, and reduce the strength of its parties and other elements.

    c. Counter any threat of a party or individuals directly or indirectly responsive to Communist control to achieve dominant power in a free world country.

    d.  Reduce International Communist control over any areas of the world.

    e. Strengthen the orientation toward the United States of the peoples and nations of the free world, accentuate, wherever possible, the identity of interest between such peoples and nations and the United States as well as favoring, where appropriate, those groups genuinely advocating or believing in the advancement of such mutual interests, and increase the capacity and will of such peoples and nations to resist International Communism.

    f. In accordance with established policies and to the extent practicable in areas dominated or threatened by International Communism, develop underground resistance and facilitate covert and guerrilla operations and ensure availability of those forces in the event of war, including wherever practicable provisions of a base upon which the military may expand these forces in time of war within acting theaters of operations as well as provision for stay-behind assets and escape and evasion facilities.

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  228. @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    Whatever happened (or didn’t) in the past, there is no conflict between Israel and Zionism and NAZIs today

  229. @al gore rhythms

    Islam is older than the “Uighur” destination. But the Uighurs were into Shamanism and then Buddhism for a long long time before Islam got to them from Central Asia.

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  230. @Chinaman

    Why do you–and most Americans–confuse statements of fact about China with praise?

    • Replies: @Chinaman
    , @Bay Area Guy
  231. @Maowasayali

    Victor Marchetti testified that the CIA spent a quarter billion dollars annually on NGOs like The Asia Foundation for “Anti-communist academicians to disseminate a negative vision of mainland China”.
    The CIA and the cult of intelligence – 1976. by V. Marchetti. (It is the first book the US Government ever went to Court to censor before its publication).

    Some of those writings resurfaced in 2017 when China’s Censor asked Cambridge University Press to retract three hundred journal articles about a non-existent massacre in Tiananmen Square. Claiming academic freedom, Cambridge refused, and the Censor yielded.

    • Thanks: Maowasayali
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  232. denk says:
    @d dan

    Greek is the real deal !

  233. @Godfree Roberts

    Speaking of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and what happened at Tiananmen Square in 1989… that was the same year an American novelist by the name of Dean Koontz published “The Eyes of Darkness.”

    The novel is a science fiction thriller. In chapter 39 of his novel, you can read about a Chinese military lab that creates a virus as part of its biological weapons programme. The virus is named “Wuhan-400.”

    According to an article written by Kate Whitehead in the “South China Morning Post,” the first edition of Koontz’s novel published in 1981 had the virus named “Gorki-400” originating in the Soviet Union. Whitehead explains:

    “The change to Wuhan came when the book was released in hardback under Koontz’s own name in 1989. The year of the book’s re-release is significant – 1989 marked the end of the Cold War. And with the collapse of the Soviet Union, the country was no longer communist… An American author pointing the fictional finger of blame at Russia would not have gone down well in that climate, so “The Eyes of Darkness” needed a new villain.”

    In 1989 the Berlin Wall came down which was more symbolic than anything else. The Soviet Union was still strong and enemy number 1. It took another two years for the Cold War with the Soviet Union to end, when it officially dissolved on 25 December 1991. In other words, the name change from “Gorki-400” to “Wuhan-400” in 1989 was 2 years premature. Whitehead’s explanation is simply wrong and her knowledge of geopolitics is shallow. Or maybe her stupid explanation is really a clever misdirection?

    What I want to know is why Koontz and his publisher believed so strongly in 1989 that the Soviet Union would be dissolved two years later and not Red China? Who told them in 1989 that Red China would be the new boogeyman?

    Of course, 1989 was the year the CIA fomented the student protests and civil unrest in a failed colour revolution in China that is better known in the West as the “Tiananmen Square Massacre.” Hmm… I wonder if Dean Koontz is a CIA operative?

    I guess if the virus had been named “Wuhan-2020” it would have been too obvious. So they had to give us a numbers riddle to solve: Wuhan 2020 = (2+2)=4 + (0+0)=00 = “Wuhan-400”

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    • Thanks: dogbumbreath
  234. @Ber

    No problem. I actually thank you for asking the question because I forgot all about that guy who did that series. So far he’s very very accurate. Great student of history without the nonsense politics. I have to try and finish the series – LOL.
    I listened to his series on the Chinese civil war… Again – another spot on series. I originally listened to a piece he did on my people – the Hakka. Once I heard that – and how accurate it was about my own bloodline – I realized he was a good resource. I just don’t have the time to listen to all of his material.

  235. denk says:
    @TKK

    White Anglo Saxon civilization IS superior.

    O, what a tangled web we weave when first we practise to deceive!

    Exhibit A
    https://eturbonews.com/1820592/australia-canada-new-zealand-uk-usa-ask-china-stop-it/

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/12/uighurs-forced-to-eat-pork-horror-stories-told-by-chinese-defector-seem-to-evolve.html

    Tip of an iceberg.

    We lie, we cheat, we rob and we
    r proud of it

    They dont call you the [[[five liars] for nuthin you know ?

  236. Chinaman says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Perhaps you should state the facts and then follow up with your prescription on how “America can win “in this civilisational struggle…like most pundits do.

    Perhaps you also know it is futile to stop China because of immutable biological differences in IQ and social structure so “knowing your enemy” is just about the only thing you can do. May be you should also state that in your articles next time and tell America to give up.

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    , @..alba ..
  237. denk says:
    @Chinaman

    The Chinese are diplomatically retarded and seem unable to form meaningful alliances

    that’s from tyrone the troll.

  238. @Godfree Roberts

    The BRI is largely a scam to debt trap nations and Chinese infrastructure projects are of shoddy quality. Case in point, the collapsed ceiling at Islamabad Airport. (https://www.globalconstructionreview.com/news/pakistan-orders-probe-new-chinese-built-airport-af/)

    As for the SCO, China uses salami slicing to annex Indian territory and one of its state owned journalists even said that the Russian city of Vladivostok is Chinese territory. So they form a coalition and then lay territorial claims against 2 nuclear armed member states. Sounds diplomatically retarded to me.

  239. @Yee

    I believe that’s India who is aggressive to all it’s neighbors…

    No argument there. I have zero love for that shithole. India’s atrocities in Kashmir and Assam rival even those of China’s in Tibet and Xinjiang.

    China has 14 bordering countries on land. The only one we have a border dispute is India.

    I won’t even bother with this. Just google “China territorial disputes”

    Better depend on yourself and stay out of other people’s trouble.

    How? By overfishing in Filipino waters? By drying up the Mekong river and destroying the livelihoods of Thai people? By salami slicing India? By sending troops into Nepal? By threatening Taiwan? By threatening Japan by claiming the Senkaku islands? Just because China claims territory doesn’t automatically make it theirs.

    • Troll: d dan, Godfree Roberts
    • Replies: @Yee
    , @Yee
  240. @showmethereal

    When Temujin of the grey-eyed Kyuts invented the Mongols he appropriated the Uighur script; it is all a bit … complicated.

  241. @obvious

    Why does every story have to turn into the reductio ad palestinium? Self respecting westerners might actually care less than a fig either way.

    Well, because it is such an outstanding example of the hypocrisy of those bemoaning the alleged Chinese crackdown (Re-education) while ignoring the continual killing in occupied Palestine. If it hurts you to have it mentioned, Hard Luck!

    By “Self respecting westerners” presumably you mean the likes of Pompeo, Keir Starmer, BoJo, Tony Blair, Siobhain McDonagh and all the rest of the disgusting crew. They probably, no. Make that “Certainly”, do ” care less than a fig”, which seems like a good reason to treat them as despicable and as highly suspect in their stories about the “Evil Chinese”.

    • Agree: Godfree Roberts
  242. @anonymous

    So what would be your preferred treatment of the problem? Can you give an example of where your preferred solution has worked?

  243. Yee says:
    @I'm Tyrone

    Oh, just mind your own shithole India’s business…

    Indochina is tropical monsoon climate, 84% of the Mekong river water comes from rainfall on the peninsula itself. China does not have the ability to dry up the Mekong river with only 16% of the water float.

    As for the “threatening Japan” over the tiny island, well, according to Potsdam Declaration, we determine who own the island. – “8.The terms of the Cairo Declaration shall be carried out and Japanese sovereignty shall be limited to the islands of Honshu, Hokkaido, Kyushu, Shikoku and such minor islands as we determine.”

    The colonist Brits drew a line to give our territory to India doesn’t mean we must give it to you. The Brits might be your master, but they’re not ours.

    Taiwan is civil war. As a matter of fact, we’re officially still in a civil war, not even a cease fire has ever been signed.

    • Replies: @Biff
    , @I'm Tyrone
  244. Yee says:
    @I'm Tyrone

    Oh, just mind your own shithole India’s business…

    Indochina is tropical monsoon climate, 84% of the Mekong river water comes from rainfall on the peninsula itself. China does not have the ability to dry up the Mekong river with only 16% of the water float.

    As for the “threatening Japan” over the tiny island, well, according to Potsdam Declaration, we determine who own the island. – “8.The terms of the Cairo Declaration shall be carried out and Japanese sovereignty shall be limited to the islands of Honshu, Hokkaido, Kyushu, Shikoku and such minor islands as we determine.”

    The colonist Brits drew a line to give our territory to India doesn’t mean we must give it to you. The Brits might be your master, but they’re not ours.

    Taiwan is civil war. As a matter of fact, we’re officially still in a civil war, not even a cease fire has ever been signed.

  245. Biff says:
    @Yee

    Indochina is tropical monsoon climate, 84% of the Mekong river water comes from rainfall on the peninsula itself. China does not have the ability to dry up the Mekong river with only 16% of the water float.

    I live within a thirty minute drive from the Mekong right at the triangle and call that bullshyt.

    • Replies: @Yee
  246. I live 40 minutes away and it looks like this:

    The Mekong Basin can be divided into two parts: the “upper Mekong basin” in Tibet, and the “lower Mekong basin” from Yunnan downstream from China to the South China Sea.[12] From the point where it rises to its mouth, the most precipitous drop in the Mekong occurs in the upper Mekong basin, a stretch of some 2,200 km (1,400 mi). Here, it drops 4,500 metres (14,800 ft) before it enters the lower basin where the borders of Thailand, Laos, China, and Myanmar come together in the Golden Triangle. Downstream from the Golden Triangle, the river flows for a further 2,600 km (1,600 mi) through Laos, Thailand, and Cambodia before entering the South China Sea via a complex delta system in Vietnam.[12]

    Upper basin
    The upper basin makes up 24% of the total area and contributes 15–20% of the water that flows into the Mekong River. The catchment here is steep and narrow. Soil erosion has been a major problem and approximately 50% of the sediment in the river comes from the upper basin.

    In Yunnan Province in China, the river and its tributaries are confined by narrow, deep gorges. The tributary river systems in this part of the basin are small. Only 14 have catchment areas that exceed 1,000 km2 (390 sq mi), yet the greatest amount of loss of forest cover in the entire river system per square kilometer has occurred in this region due to heavy unchecked demand for natural resources. In the south of Yunnan, in Simao and Xishuangbanna Prefectures, the river changes as the valley opens out, the floodplain becomes wider, and the river becomes wider and slower.

  247. Yee says:
    @Biff

    No, that’s called hydrography.

    A river is not a water pipe. It collects rainfall along its way. Yunnan of China has far less rainfall than Indochina does.

    Mekong river in China is on a plateau which blocks most of the moist air from going further north, so it turns into rain in Indochina. It’s the same reason why places south of the Himalayas like Bangladesh and northeast India is the wettest place on earth in rain season.

    Since it’s monsoon climate, you’ll inevitably face a dry-wet circle, for EVERY country. When there’s no rain in Indochina, there would be even less rain in China.

    The obvious solution, of course, is to store the plentyful water in rain season and use it in dry season. Countries fail to do that suffer from acts of nature not from acts of China.

    • Agree: showmethereal
    • Replies: @Biff
  248. Biff says:
    @Yee

    Well, let me put it this way – when a dry year is forecasted, or simply, in the middle of a dry year China restricts flow from it’s dams, so in the middle of the following dry season the river in my area ends up being much lower than normal. OTOH, during a very wet year China opens the dams more than Normal and a number of Thai provinces experience flooding. Everybody knows the routine.

    30 years ago it wasn’t like this.

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    • Replies: @Yee
  249. @Yee

    Oh, just mind your own shithole India’s business…

    Not from India and I couldn’t care less if China nuked it.

    Indochina is tropical monsoon climate, 84% of the Mekong river water comes from rainfall on the peninsula itself. China does not have the ability to dry up the Mekong river with only 16% of the water float.

    The Thais aren’t buying your malarkey and neither is anyone here.

    https://www.bangkokpost.com/world/1899000/study-finds-chinese-dams-held-back-mekong-waters

    The colonist Brits drew a line to give our territory to India doesn’t mean we must give it to you. The Brits might be your master, but they’re not ours.

    China cannot claim a territory just because someone from the Qing dynasty built an outhouse there 200 years ago. China had no interest in that territory and it was a no man’s land. The land was never a part of India either (there really was no India until the British created it) but China has no legitimate claim over it either. The area became of strategic importance when the CCP needed to suppress Xinjiang.

    The terms of the Cairo Declaration shall be carried out and Japanese sovereignty shall be limited to the islands of Honshu, Hokkaido, Kyushu, Shikoku and such minor islands as we determine.”

    And where does it explicitly state that China has sovereignty over the Senkaku Islands? Neither China nor Japan have a historical claim over the islands but since Japan controls them they are effectively Japanese since they were formerly no man’s land.

    • Replies: @Yee
  250. Yee says:
    @Biff

    It does not change the fact that The Mekong has only 16% of its water come from China. If China does not store water, then it would just go with the circle like everyone else in the region, go drought when everyone is in drought.

    A river that cannot sustain 16% gain or lose will inevitably run the drought and flood circle just the same. Because you have a much larger margin between the dry and wet season.

    Even if China withhold or release every drop of water, which is not possible because you need the water running constantly to produce electricity, shouldn’t the focus be on the 84% that cause the problem?

  251. GammaRay says:
    @I'm Tyrone

    As for the SCO, China uses salami slicing to annex Indian territory and one of its state owned journalists even said that the Russian city of Vladivostok is Chinese territory. So they form a coalition and then lay territorial claims against 2 nuclear armed member states. Sounds diplomatically retarded to me.

    You sure about that? Unless im missing something, it appears that you’ve taken someone else’s spin on the vladivostok situation and ran with it without bothering to do your own fact checking. According to what I read about this situation it appears to be more of a diplomatic blunder on russia’s behalf instead of china’s. Below is my take on this particularly juicy piece of disinfo that was written a few months ago:

    https://www.unz.com/freed/china-and-the-washington-oscars/

    In their pride and stupidity (same thing) they have begun claiming parts of Russia as their own. This ritual in China always begins with an Academic. Now they are claiming Vladivostok as their own.

    have they? who is claiming this? the government? random netizens? Unless you have access to some other angle or information that I dont, it appears that your take on this is misleading:

    https://eurasiantimes.com/fact-check-has-china-really-claimed-russian-port-city-of-vladivostok/

    TLDR; the russian embassy posted a message on WEIBO (a chinese social media site) commemorating the 160th anniversary of the founding of vladivostok, a city that was founded on territory formerly belonging to the Qing dynasty, which was annexed by russia following china’s defeat in the 2nd opium wars, in response to this post by the russian embassy on WEIBO many chinese netizens got pissed off and claimed that the city of vladivostok (formerly haishenwai) belonged to china before it was unfairly taken from them by russia.

    so basically it appears that you’ve made a misleading claim and left out tons of important context which actually makes chinese reactions seem more much reasonable. This is on top of the fact that you tried to mislead by insinuating that it was the chinese government that was (proactively) claiming that vladivostok belonged to china instead of relaying what actually happened which was that it was primarily chinese netizens and perhaps low level government employees who were (reactively) claiming that vladivostok used to belong to china in response to a poorly thought out message posted by the russian embassy on a freaking chinese social media website.

    is there something I missed here or did you actually misportray things this badly? Assuming that this is the case, I cant imagine how twisted or misleading your other points are, which im not going to take the time to dismantle although I easily could. It only took me a few minutes of googling to find the real story behind your bullshit lol.

    I find it humorous how you jokers always project and claim that its the chinese that are being unreasonably arrogant and proud. Honestly I dont see this, the only people I see being unreasonably arrogant, proud and blinded by hubris are americans. I cant imagine how people like your’s minds work, it completely baffles me how people can invert reality this badly

    comment #185

    so yes, your bolded claim is actually true, but you (deliberately?) presented it without the proper context which in turn made it sound much worse and more unreasonable than it actually was. Do you have access to some other credible information which presents some other angle which I wasnt previously aware of with regards to this situation? if not and if my current understanding of the situation is the correct one then that means that youre not only wrong, but youre embarrassingly wrong. I dont have the time or inclination to fact check your other claims but I have a feeling if just one of your claims like this is so poorly supported then there’s no telling how many other misleading claims you’ve made.

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  252. Yee says:
    @I'm Tyrone

    You’re not an Indian? Strange, you sound very much like one. Indian propaganda produces very distinguishable creatures. Pretty easy to tell…

    What people believe and what really is are two different thing. What do you go to school to learn knowledge for if you can’t use it to analyze a problem?

    Since it’s the term of surrender that Japanese sovereignty only limited to it’s 4 main islands, anything else will be determined by “we”, Japan can’t have island because we object to it. The only other claimant for the tiny island is China, either ROC or PRC. I think the case is pretty clear.

    Yeah, what a pity the Qing emperor had the sense to rule Tibet centuries ago but you Hindus didn’t.

    • Agree: showmethereal
    • Replies: @I'm Tyrone
  253. @antibeast

    Communism was dead when Deng Xiao Ping took over. The CCP after that is just a name. The new CCP was modeled after Singapore’s style of governance but with a communist slant. Like Singapore, the people are individually free but are subjected to governmental policies. Singapore has one of the highest GDP per capita in the world resulting in more freedom. Wealth can do wonders to government policies. China on the other hand, is still a middle income country and governmental policies can be stricter. In the 80s, with a very low GDP, the people in China has even less freedom. Just imagine if the US’s GDP per capita fall to China current level. How much freedom do you think your average Americans will have?

    You want real freedom, Hong Kong is the place. A truly libertarian paradise. Other than possession of firearms, it is much freer that the US. That’s why China encroachment into HK, supported by the HK elites wishing stability will be the death knell of this truly unique freedom. The student protesters shouldn’t have rioted and destroyed properties. Their grievances were purely economics. They should not have used China as the reason to get attention. They just killed HK the way it is. Dumb idiots.

    Xi is no Nationalist. Han nationalism is on the rise and Xi is trying to temper it down because it can leads to “undesirable” consequence. Xi and his cabinet are all engineers. They approach problem solving like engineers. Sort of like the fulfillment centers of Amazon. Run like a software program.

    • Agree: Chinaman
    • Replies: @antibeast
    , @showmethereal
  254. antibeast says:
    @Brian Damage

    That’s a simplistic view of Chinese politics. But you’re correct that the CCP has been paying lip service to ‘Marxism-Leninism-Maoism’ since Deng took over China. Deng retained the one-party political system after visiting Singapore whose political stability he deemed was essential to its economic growth. That’s why Deng cracked down on the student protestors at Tiananmen at the same the economy was opened up to both local and foreign investors.

    Xi is no Nationalist. Han nationalism is on the rise and Xi is trying to temper it down because it can leads to “undesirable” consequence. Xi and his cabinet are all engineers. They approach problem solving like engineers. Sort of like the fulfillment centers of Amazon. Run like a software program.

    Xi looked liked a hardline Maoist ‘communist’ which was how the West viewed him after his ascent to power in 2012:

    But Xi is more Chiang than Mao, more ‘nationalist’ than ‘communist’, having spent 17 years in Fujian Province which is home to the diaspora of Overseas Chinese entrepreneurs. Xi was the one who kept the anti-Capitalist Maoist faction of the CCP in line while purging the pro-Capitalist Dengist faction of the CCP by appealing to Chinese ‘nationalism’ which had long been submerged under ‘communism’. Even Chiang is now viewed by Chinese historians as a tragic hero as part of his rehabilitation in Xi’s China. No more CCP vs KMT; both are Chinese.

  255. ..alba .. says:
    @Chinaman

    you are only alive because jews stablished there all the industry to encircle and destroy the societ union the same thing that happned decades earlier saving you from the japonese and russians in the 40s

    a pure fascist unified west would btfo you so hardly that you would be crying for the return of the mongols as your overlords

    • Replies: @antibeast
    , @GammaRay
  256. antibeast says:
    @..alba ..

    We wuz Aryanz n’ Shiet!

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  257. ..alba .. says:
    @antibeast

    spaniards did more or less the same thing in the modern era in america after expulsing the muslims and jews so i dont find it extrange that a people related to north east euros did more or less the same thing in the ancient times like have been genetically confirmed

    you are clowning yourself

    • Replies: @antibeast
  258. @antibeast

    Chiang is no Han nationalist. He is a “Nationalist” because of the name of his party and his wish to unify China based on nationalist ideals during the waning Qing dynasty, Japanese and European annexation of territories, and rising Maoism. Chiang was an Emperor wannabe. In that sense, Xi is like Chiang. Xi is a Mao wannabe. If you want a real Nationalist, that would be Sun Yat Sen. That’s how the Chinese Nationalist Party got its start.

    Xi is an authoritarian autocrat with 21st century tools but 20th century ideas. His engineers use 21st century tools to implement 20th century ideas.

    If Xi is a Han nationalist, people in Taiwan, Hong Kong and the rest of the Han diaspora would have accepted China in droves. Just to give you a glimpse of Han nationalism. After generations of diaspora outside China, many Han Chinese still retain pre-Qing dynasty culture, identity and practices. Chinese in China are all wiped out of these and now working with a very bad copy of the Han culture.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  259. antibeast says:
    @Brian Damage

    Chiang is no Han nationalist. He is a “Nationalist” because of the name of his party and his wish to unify China based on nationalist ideals during the waning Qing dynasty, Japanese and European annexation of territories, and rising Maoism. Chiang was an Emperor wannabe. In that sense, Xi is like Chiang. Xi is a Mao wannabe.

    You’ve just contradicted yourself by saying that “Chiang is no Han nationalist but he is a ‘Nationalist’ because he wish to unify China based on nationalist ideals.” Chiang was indeed a ‘Chinese Nationalist’ who wanted to unify that just the Hans but all the ethnic groups of China, which does not make him a feudalist autocrat like Yuan Shikai who was the Emperor wannabe.

    If you want a real Nationalist, that would be Sun Yat Sen. That’s how the Chinese Nationalist Party got its start.

    Sun Yat Sen was a Liberal Democrat educated in the West while Chiang Kai-shek was a ‘Nationalist’ educated in Japan who served in the Imperial Japanese Army. Sun Yat Sen’s ideals became the founding ‘three principles’ of the KMT which consists of nationalism, socialism and democracy. Due to his education in Imperial Japan and training in the Imperial Japanese Army, Chiang believed in ‘nationalism’ first and foremost as a way to unify China which would have required a period of military rule in order to mold the Chinese people into a disciplined East Asian nation just like the Japanese. One story Chiang was said to have recounted was how he witnessed the difference in behavior between Chinese and Japanese passengers on a ship, with the Chinese spitting on the floor while the Japanese would spit on a handkerchief. Chiang wanted to impose the military discipline which he admired in the Japanese nation onto the Chinese people. After losing the Chinese Civil War, that’s exactly what Chiang did in Taiwan: he imposed Martial Law and ruled as a military dictator for life.

    Xi is an authoritarian autocrat with 21st century tools but 20th century ideas. His engineers use 21st century tools to implement 20th century ideas.

    Xi has demonstrated his ‘autocratic’ nationalism but the Chinese State has always been ‘authoritarian’ since ancient times. The only difference between ancient and modern China is that scholar-bureaucrats well-versed in the Chinese Confucian Classics have been replaced by engineer-technocrats well-trained in STEM fields. In other words, Xi is an ‘autocratic’ nationalist in an authoritarian system run by Chinese technocrats equipped with 21st century STEM tools to transform China into the 21st century.

    If Xi is a Han nationalist, people in Taiwan, Hong Kong and the rest of the Han diaspora would have accepted China in droves. Just to give you a glimpse of Han nationalism. After generations of diaspora outside China, many Han Chinese still retain pre-Qing dynasty culture, identity and practices. Chinese in China are all wiped out of these and now working with a very bad copy of the Han culture.

    The Overseas Chinese are a product of the Chinese ‘nationalism’ inspired by the KMT and promoted by the Republic of China since its founding in 1911. Nothing to do with ‘Han nationalism’ which never existed because the Hans were ‘culturalists’ not ‘nationalists’ in pre-KMT China.

  260. @GreatSocialist

    As far as I’ve looked into the issue, the China has been far more humane to its minorities compared to the west. No one child policies, efforts to preserve and use minority languages in public spaces, and even attempts to faithfully reconstruct minority art styles that had died out centuries ago. That they try to keep the wahhabi radicals out of Xinjiang is only one more point of effort in preserving authentic Uyghur and other minority cultures.

    • Agree: showmethereal
  261. @Godfree Roberts

    Why do you–and most Americans–confuse statements of fact about China with praise?

    Because many of your “facts” are just poorly disguised CCP propaganda. I guess China’s inept PR is reflected in their comically over-the-top Western shills.

    Also, being China’s (white) defender on the beat and going so far as to white knight for China on other authors’ comment threads is bizarre, to say the least. What made you turn on your people, white man?

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  262. @Yee

    Exactly.

    A lot of people think relationships soured because of Trump, but Trump merely exacerbated what Obama had already started.

    In that sense, Trump can be described as a gift to China. He made the USA drop its mask, so now there’s not a Chinese in the world (except maybe those brainwashed bananas, but I don’t count them as Chinese), who still believes the USA has any good intentions for China. The Chinese have woken up.

    • Agree: Godfree Roberts
    • Replies: @Chinaman
    , @GreatSocialist
  263. GammaRay says:
    @..alba ..

    you are only alive because jews stablished there all the industry to encircle and destroy the societ union the same thing that happned decades earlier saving you from the japonese and russians in the 40s

    a pure fascist unified west would btfo you so hardly that you would be crying for the return of the mongols as your overlords

    what a silly argument, trying to argue the superiority of a civilization based on hypotheticals like “a pure fascist unified west” is ridiculous since in real life these kinds of “perfect” conditions randomly manifest and they can benefit anyone, not just the west. Case in point, you bring up the japanese; by your logic the japanese are only alive and culturally intact because of the kamikaze storms that saved japan twice from mongol invasions. Likewise the russians are only alive today because the mongols chose to use them as a vassal state instead of slaughtering them all (even though they could have). Since both of these cultures are only alive because of “lucky breaks” I guess it makes their subsequent achievements “illegitimate” right? It gets even worse for your silly position though, check this out:

    spaniards did more or less the same thing in the modern era in america after expulsing the muslims and jews so i dont find it extrange that a people related to north east euros did more or less the same thing in the ancient times like have been genetically confirmed

    you are clowning yourself

    the spanish were under muslim domination for almost 800 years; given that long of a timespan, if the muslims really wanted to then they could have totally wiped out the spaniards, but they chose not to. They were instead content with merely ruling over them instead of genociding them. The point? The spanish, the russians, and the japanese (along with probably every other ethnicity that is alive today) only exist because at some point in the past there were positive, lucky mitigating factors which kept these people from being wiped out. Youre laughably trying to act as if the chinese are unique (and somehow weaker or less qualified) for having their chestnuts pulled out of the fire by fortunate circumstances (and thus implying that they were only able to win based on these “special” conditions) but the truth is that this same logic applies to everyone else as well. Your logic is completely flawed, contradictory and can easily be used against you as well, try again.

    • Replies: @..alba...
  264. @antibeast

    Can you understand the quotation marks on “Nationalist”? I didn’t contradict myself. Basically, Chiang was a NINO. Nationalist In Name Only.

    Overseas Chinese are not a product of KMT propaganda. You have no clue. Many of the diaspora predate KMT. Overseas Chinese today practices true Han practices. I would say the purest can be found in Hong Kong, Malaysia and yes, Vietnam by Vietnamese.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  265. Mike Tre says:
    @shylockcracy

    China doesn’t have a wildly criminal prone underclass ( negroes and yes Ron, mestizos) to skew its (very likely downplayed) incarceration data.

  266. @Bay Area Guy

    many of your “facts” are just poorly disguised CCP propaganda

    Which ones? Please quote one and give the reference so reader can decide for themselves.

    As to your ad hominem, why not refute my claims with contrary evidence?

    • Replies: @Bay Area Guy
  267. antibeast says:
    @Brian Damage

    Can you understand the quotation marks on “Nationalist”? I didn’t contradict myself. Basically, Chiang was a NINO. Nationalist In Name Only.

    In other words, Chiang was a Nationalist In Name Only because he wanted to unify China based on nationalist principles. That’s called an oxymoron or Contradiction in Terms.

    Overseas Chinese are not a product of KMT propaganda. You have no clue. Many of the diaspora predate KMT. Overseas Chinese today practices true Han practices. I would say the purest can be found in Hong Kong, Malaysia and yes, Vietnam by Vietnamese.

    The KMT was co-founded by the Overseas Chinese; its predecessor was called the tongmenghui which was established by Han rebels against the Manchus during the Qing Dynasty. As most of the Overseas Chinese emigrants were Hans, they do indeed practice Han culture to this day. That’s why I called them Han ‘culturalists’ not Chinese ‘nationalists’, the former were the subjects of the Qing Dynasty while the latter became the citizens of Republic of China. No such thing as Han ‘nationalists’ as those Han ‘culturalists’ were an ethnic group living all over the world who have become citizens of their host countries. Those Han ‘culturalists’ who moved back to China became citizens of the Republic of China after 1911. After the Civil War, the Chinese ‘nationalists’ then fled to Taiwan where they moved the government of the Republic of China.

    HK was a British colony until its return back to China in 1997. The Overseas Chinese living in HK are mostly Han ‘culturalists’ who still practice traditional Han culture to this day. But they never were citizens of the Republic of China because they were the colonial subjects of the British Crown. Thus, they were not Chinese ‘nationalists’ but Han ‘culturalists’.

  268. @Brian Damage

    Well no – people in Singapore don’t have more “freedom” than in China. Singapore doesn’t allow western style “free speech”. Singapore is much more “confucian” and values order over anything else.
    And Hong Kong is very free – but the “libertarian paradise” is exactly why there are such huge gaps in living standards between rich and poor. Singapore is much more authoritarian than Hong Kong – but Singapore has an overall quality of life that is higher than in Hong Kong. Some in Hong Kong dismiss it and call it “Singa-bore”…. But they say that out of envy.

    But you are right about Xi and nationalism. They don’t seem to get it – the CPC as a whole tampers down fervent nationalism. If it wasn’t for that – China would have sought pay back against Japan a long time ago. The government quashes those sentiments. And since this piece is about the Uighurs – most westerners don’t know that when the Uighur mobs went around slaughtering Han and Hui people in the streets by hacking them to death by the dozens and hundreds – when people started posting online calling for revenge and harsh treatment of the Uighurs – the government removed all those posts from the internet. This indeed is not the days of the Cultural Revolution. China is turning back toward Confucianism – which means – order is more important than anything (like Singapore).

    • Replies: @Chinaman
  269. @antibeast

    “No more CCP vs KMT; both are Chinese.”

    Yes and it was beginning to be that way on both sides of the Strait. When Ma and Xi met in Singapore – that was further solidifying that point. Of course the US and Japan were none too happy about it and an overdrive campaign went into motion to get the DPP into power and to “de-Sinize” Taiwan. So the Sunflower protests happened. Then Tsai and the DPP got in and did NOTHING of substance for the people – except to be anti PRC. She had the lowest all time approval rating — and then the same powers backed the Hong Kong riots…. Bingo – she got re-elected. Silly electorate.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  270. @antibeast

    “One story Chiang was said to have recounted was how he witnessed the difference in behavior between Chinese and Japanese passengers on a ship, with the Chinese spitting on the floor while the Japanese would spit on a handkerchief. ”

    That reminds me of the film “Hong Kong 1941” centered around the Japanese invasion of Hong Kong while it was under the British. There was a scene where a Hong Kong industrialist was being extorted by a Japanese military officer. The Japanese military officer told him Chinese were basically like the bottom of the shoe of the Japanese -but if they were willing to submit to Japanese rule – they might be useful. The Hong Kong business man then spit and the Japanese officer looked at him and said “and that is a disgusting Chinese habit”.
    On another note – that was a 1980’s Hong Kong movie. Even then – nobody questioned that Hong Kong people were Chinese and the British were just the “landlord” in Hong Kong. The whole film centered around 3 young people who wanted to escape British Hong Kong before the Japanese invaded – either to hunt for gold in San Fran or Australia. Again – nobody pretended British Hong Kong was some utopia as is the spin now to stoke anti China mindsets in Hong Kong…. But I digress

    • Replies: @Chinaman
    , @antibeast
  271. Chinaman says:
    @showmethereal

    the CPC as a whole tampers down fervent nationalism. If it wasn’t for that – China would have sought pay back against Japan a long time ago.

    More a lack of means than a lack of will.

    Looking at how Nanking massacre was officially mourned recently, I get the sense that the sentiments have change. I think China is preparing for conflict. If Japan does not “naturally” fall into China’s orbit ( unlikely) and remain an American vassal in the next 20 years, a war to “liberate” Japan is a possibility. The Americans would not bat an eye to sacrifice Japan in a proxy war. It is perfect for their purpose do destabilising the region and setting China back.

    As you said, most Chinese wants it too. The difference is that we actually have the means now. I heard that the average sergeant in China is 10 years younger than their counterparts in Japan.

    • Replies: @Showmethereal
  272. Chinaman says:
    @showmethereal

    You must be old-timer, I don’t think most HKer nowadays have seen this one. I personally haven’t seen it.

    What’s the Chinese title and actors?

    • Replies: @Showmethereal
  273. Chinaman says:
    @Mary Marianne

    In that sense, Trump can be described as a gift to China. He made the USA drop its mask, so now there’s not a Chinese in the world (except maybe those brainwashed bananas, but I don’t count them as Chinese), who still believes the USA has any good intentions for China. The Chinese have woken up.

    That’s a great observation.

    We call him Trump the Chinese patriot. 川建國. Professor Di , who was the subject of one of Trump’s tweet, describe it as lifting the lid to see the frog that was slowly being boiled alive. Trump helped dispel all the illusions any Chinese had left about Americans. We see Americans as confederate slave holders which was responsible for the genocide of Native Indians and the death of millions in the Middle East . 北美奴隶主种族灭绝反人类匪帮 . A historically accurate description.

    The bananas will never change not because they are “white on the inside” but because they have the Hanjian genotype which predispose them to reject their identity. The “freedom” lovers. Look at the rioters in HK who can’t even speak English. There are many who could accept aspects of western culture without being bananas. ( herd immunity not being one of these aspects)

    • Replies: @Badger Down
  274. antibeast says:
    @showmethereal

    LKY cited the same situation in Singapore whose population was mostly ethnic Chinese with low levels of culture and education who would spit on the streets of the city-state. That’s why he said that what Singapore needed was ‘order and discipline’ not ‘freedom and democracy’ which he claimed was not suitable for Singapore where multiple races with different religions exist side-by-side. Singapore is well-known for its infamous spitting ban which gets punished with fines.

    China is belatedly doing the same with CCTV cameras using AI facial recognition technology to impose fines on Chinese citizens using its ‘social credit’ system. Westerners think this system is a totalitarian system for political surveillance when it is in fact a hi-tech system for social control.

    HK’ers are well-known for being the most vulgar, greedy, shallow people in the whole of Asia whose lives revolve around money laundering, gambling, prostitution, real-estate speculation, entertainment and other vices. Methinks the HK ‘color revolution’ was orchestrated by the US Deep State to entrap Xi to do another Tiananmen as the HK’ers themselves are simply too self-indulgent to organize such a thing.

    • Agree: Showmethereal
    • Replies: @Chinaman
  275. antibeast says:
    @showmethereal

    Xi’s meeting with Ma in Singapore in 2015 was the first time since 1949 that the heads of State of the PRC and the ROC met face-to-face, which signifies that Xi’s revival of Chinese ‘nationalism’ had finally buried the ideological conflict between the CCP and the KMT. That’s why I think Xi is neither a die-hard Maoist Communist nor a Dengist Liberal but a Chinese ‘nationalist’. If Deng is right of Mao, then Xi is left of Chiang. China has started rehabilitating Chiang who is now viewed as a tragic hero fighting against all odds to defend his country.

    • Replies: @Showmethereal
  276. @Mary Marianne

    Have to agree with you, Mary Marianne.

    The older Chinese and some Asians all looked up to the USA last time with stars in their eyes. I would tell them, stop worshipping America, it has some good qualities but people, especially govts and cultures, in the end all have their faults.

    In America, the culture is one of assumed superiority, being exceptional and looking down on Russia, China, Iran and the rest of the world.

    Very much just like how Trump looks down on others. Then he screws everything up(virus plus trade war) and gets beaten in a landslide. From thinking he is the chosen one, so exceptional, to just a plain pathetic loser who couldn’t even do his job properly.

    Nobody now has any illusions about Trump. They look at him with contempt, he’s like a walking pile of shit to them.

    Unfortunately decades of corruption, laziness and a superiority complex have now started the sad but irreversible downfall of the American empire.

    They say that the first strong indicator of a relationship going into irretrievable breakdown is when one party feels contempt for the other– that will end in divorce for sure. IMO, the world is divorcing itself from America.

  277. ..alba... says:
    @GammaRay

    true “perfect” conditions rarely manifest specially when jews like you have been backstabiing us in every oportunity you had destroying the very foundation of the west itself ,not only that you strategy to liberalize and slave china have backfired spectacularly like every strategy you took since the end of ww2 trasforming the west the only host capable of defeating the rest of the world in a shadow of what used to be

    by alive i mean free for me they are the same thing and its certain that we wouldnt be “alive” if some spaniards, didnt resist in the corners of the peninsula and start the reconquista with the help of franks or the entire europa itself if the siege of constantinople in 707 have succed a momment when there was not a single state capable of defending the 150k muslim army or if the romans and then germanic tribes didnt stop and then expulse the hunns like they did a milenia later with the otoman coisins, etc etc while we the slayed the internal serpent again and again like we will do it AGAIN

    im for a pecefull coexistence with anybody except with the ones with varely veiled desire of subyugate all of us like you or the chinaman

    and for the chinaboos the tweet of the chinese embassador Responding to accusations of abuse and occupation of the Uighur people that has made the jewsa press to China in where he Chinese ambassador implicitly recognizes the intentional genocide of the white population in usa , suggesting that if the Jews continue to show their shame to the world they will do the same with respect to the displacement of Europeans its a conversation between shepards and show clearly what little we can expect from siding uncritically with china ,in fact is in chinese interest that the multicultural /multiracial in the west continue until every organ in the West has metastasized

    its good to see the conversation between shepards to apreciate their hipocresy but in the end is not an organic allianze we need a 3RD WAY our own way

    • Replies: @GammaRay
  278. @Yee

    Since it’s the term of surrender that Japanese sovereignty only limited to it’s 4 main islands, anything else will be determined by “we”, Japan can’t have island because we object to it. The only other claimant for the tiny island is China, either ROC or PRC. I think the case is pretty clear.

    Again, it’s a very weak claim. Even if Japanese sovereignty was limited, it doesn’t mean that the Chinese automatically gain sovereignty over the islands. The “we” were the victors of ww2, and the Chinese certainly didn’t play a major role in the victory. One of the real victors decided that the islands were to go to Japan and only then did the Chinese formally claim sovereignty over the islands – as late as the 70s (when certain resources were discovered there). Why didn’t they stake their claim in the 50s? The Islands were uninhabited and had no Chinese settlements on them.

    We’ve seen this pattern over and over. China will ignore a territory until they realize decades later that the territory has strategic value. They will then claim the territory on historical grounds since someone from the Qing dynasty took a shit there 200 years ago.

    The Islands belong to Japan and China’s claim to them is a joke.

    You’re not an Indian? Strange, you sound very much like one. Indian propaganda produces very distinguishable creatures. Pretty easy to tell…

    It is easy to tell, but unfortunately you’re not astute enough to make that determination. No Indian propagandist would ever say –

    No argument there. I have zero love for that shithole. India’s atrocities in Kashmir and Assam rival even those of China’s in Tibet and Xinjiang.

    or this –

    there really was no India until the British created it

    Perhaps if you read more carefully you will be less likely to jump to wrong conclusions.

    • Troll: d dan
    • Replies: @showmethereal
    , @GammaRay
  279. erzberger says:
    @Alexandros

    can’t find the article anymore about Jewish refugees from Europe in Shanghai during the Nazi period. Shanghai was unusual in requiring no visas, and the Chinese welcomed the Jews as kindred people – ancient, capable and humiliated . The only opposition the mostly German and Austrian Jews encountered was from fellow sephardic Jews who had been there long before the new arrivals. Same in the US where the German Jews were considered as inferior newcomers by the long established seph Jews in the 19th c. By the 20th c, the well-established German Jews looked down on the huddled Jewish masses arriving in droves from Russia and Eastern Europe. Zionism became an attractive solution then – not because assimilated American Jews wanted to move there, but to redirect the refugee flow to Palestine.

    Jews are extremely competitive among themselves and their various tribes since ancient times, it seems, if the
    Bible is history

  280. @Godfree Roberts

    Well, let’s see, you have several doozies that I can recall just off the top of my head. Where to begin?

    1. Your claim that Uighurs are descendants of a marooned white army (ie. Turks). I don’t think that a Central Asian group with close historical ties to the Mongols are white, but I suppose we’ll have to agree to disagree. It was a very misleading claim either way, since most of your audience don’t think of Turks as “white.”

    2. Your claim that the Chinese can access VPNs as long as they’re “authorized.” Even Chinese nationalists don’t try to deny that China practices censorship, so don’t know what you’re trying to do there.

    3. Making wild claims about Xinjiang’s “vocational education” based on the word of a Chinese friend, Xiao Zhang.

    4. When I presented articles with facts rebutting your Xinjiang nonsense, all you could do was say, “I envy your faith in our media and government.” Yeah, silly me. I guess I should just take the word of more credible sources like some random “Chinese friend.”

    Like I said, that’s just off the top of my head.

    As for you protesting my use of ad hominem, it’s not at all unreasonable to impugn someone’s motives based on suspicious conduct. For a white man such as yourself to write article after article praising and defending China – in a manner so over-the-top that even Chinese nationalists don’t go so far – is strange. Until you can give an adequate explanation for why you do what you do, expect people to question your intentions.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  281. Chinaman says:
    @antibeast

    HK’ers are well-known for being the most vulgar, greedy, shallow people in the whole of Asia

    Well…that’s a bit harsh but I can’t blame you. You would be amazed that’s exactly how HKer think of mainlander and why they resisted the unification.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  282. @Bay Area Guy

    Me: Why do you–and most Americans–confuse statements of fact about China with praise?

    You:

    Because many of your “facts” are just poorly disguised CCP propaganda. I guess China’s inept PR is reflected in their comically over-the-top Western shills.

    Me: Which ones? Please quote one and give the reference so reader can decide for themselves.

    You:

    1. Your claim that Uighurs are descendants of a marooned white army (ie. Turks). I don’t think that a Central Asian group with close historical ties to the Mongols are white, but I suppose we’ll have to agree to disagree. It was a very misleading claim either way, since most of your audience don’t think of Turks as “white.”

    Me: That’s a defensible claim. Nothing more.

    You:

    2. Your claim that the Chinese can access VPNs as long as they’re “authorized.” Even Chinese nationalists don’t try to deny that China practices censorship, so don’t know what you’re trying to do there.

    Me: I said that the Chinese can access VPNs as long as they’re “authorized.” As long as the VPNs are authorized. So what?

    You:

    3. Making wild claims about Xinjiang’s “vocational education” based on the word of a Chinese friend, Xiao Zhang.

    .

    Me: No, based on decades of study of how the Chinese handle minorities, like the Tibetans. And, of course, the total absence of evidence to back the charges of ‘concentration camps’ laid by the world leader in concentration camps (Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo, etc.)

    You: 4. When I presented articles with facts rebutting your Xinjiang nonsense, all you could do was say, “I envy your faith in our media and government.” Yeah, silly me. I guess I should just take the word of more credible sources like some random “Chinese friend.”

    Me: You presented no facts. You presented more unsupported allegations.

    • Replies: @Bay Area Guy
  283. antibeast says:
    @Chinaman

    Well…that’s a bit harsh but I can’t blame you. You would be amazed that’s exactly how HKer think of mainlander and why they resisted the unification.

    The mainlanders in Shenzhen are tuhaos just like HKers. And that’s only because Deng imported HK ‘values’ such as its ‘to get rich is glorious’ mantra to coastal cities in mainland China. The inland cities are far more civilized than HK ever will be which lacks any culture or history, much less any sense of nationhood. That’s why HKers only care about money and love all the vices money can buy.

    • Replies: @Chinaman
  284. antibeast says:
    @..alba ..

    This is what you wrote:

    you are only alive because jews stablished there all the industry to encircle and destroy the soviet union the same thing that happened decades earlier saving you from the japanese and russians in the 40s

    Where did you get the idea that ‘Jews’ saved China from the Japanese and Russians in the 40s? The Chinese were fighting the Japanese while the ‘Jews’ were being ethnically cleansed from Europe by Nazis who were fighting the Russians.

    a pure fascist unified west would btfo you so hardly that you would be crying for the return of the mongols as your overlords

    Guess which Western country was the ally of the Republic of China before and during WWII?

    Nazi Germany.

    That Sino-German partnership lasted until 1941.

    https://medium.com/war-is-boring/that-one-time-the-nazis-helped-china-fight-japan-42ce2fa6c6d

    And those were real German Nazis, not poor White Trash wanna-be-Aryans like you.

  285. Joe Wong says:

    The lack of confidence of the West is shocking. The West has been trolling about China at least for the last two hundred years, just one shoot back from Chinese reminding the West to look at the mirror themselves and don’t forget there is a big log in their eyes, the West suddenly become so bitter and vulnerable.

  286. Chinaman says:
    @antibeast

    Interesting perspective. I went to ancient cultural centers like Xian, Suzhou and Cheugdu expecting a different China than say Shanghai and Beijing…but was quite disappointed. Xian really left a bad taste in my mouth…not the touristy aspect of it but the people. My own take is that the greed and mendacity is even worst…from tour guides to taxi drivers. I understand it is just anecdotal and random ( or just me!) so I am not passing any judgement here. I never really traveled to these the rural or inland cities so can’t comment but I have met people from almost every city you can imagine in China…surprising in Macau under *ahem* quite intimate encounters …I have to say the people in northern regions and Inner Mongolia strike me as having a different mentality from the people in the coastal regions.

    This conversation reminds me of an incident in Zhuhai. I personally witness a hit and run of a motorcyclist where hundreds would stand and watch. No one helped him. Me and the doctor friend ( from HK) was the only ones to help the poor man and waited till the police arrive. Thank god the guy survived.

    I never thought myself “better” or more “cultured” than my fellow countryman so I am just sharing my experience here.

    Which inner city would you highlight as being more civilised than the coastal regions?

    • Replies: @antibeast
  287. Vidi says:
    @I'm Tyrone

    The BRI is largely a scam to debt trap nations and Chinese infrastructure projects are of shoddy quality. Case in point, the collapsed ceiling at Islamabad Airport. (link)

    According to Wikipedia (link), the Islamabad International Airport was designed by the French (Aéroports de Paris Ingénierie) and the Singaporans (CPG Corporation). Whether the Chinese construction contractor followed the design exactly is to be determined.

  288. antibeast says:
    @Chinaman

    Which inner city would you highlight as being more civilised than the coastal regions?

    Chengdu and Xi’an. The people in Chengdu are friendlier to outsiders but the natives of Xi’an are colder to foreigners. As the founding capital of China, Xi’an was the inland city that most impressed me as you could feel the sense of history on its streets. But Xi’an natives are not as friendly to outsiders which is probably how you were treated.

    Zhuhai which you’ve mentioned is a just cheaper version of Macau but equally tacky while Shenzhen got its money-grubbing culture from HK. Shenzhen is full of tuhaos who flaunt their wealth by splurging on sex, gambling, cars, etc. And yes, Macau (and Zhuhai) are just playgrounds for HKers who patronize the gambling, prostitution and entertainment industries there. There’s more culture in coastal cities like Quanzhou, Hangzhou, Suzhou, etc. but none of them can compare with inland cities like Chengdu which is home to China’s military-industrial complex as well as its aerospace, high-speed rail, semiconductor, biotech and software industries.

    The Northern Chinese have been influenced more by Soviet Communism than the rest of China. Some of the buildings there still show Stalinist influences while the Northeastern coastal cities like Dalian or Tianjin reflects the Capitalist ethos of post-Deng China. The dongbeiren are known for their tough men and ‘free’ women while the nanfangren are famous for their enterprising men and family women. If you didn’t know this, then you’re hardly Chinese at all.

    HK hardly epitomizes Chinese Civilization nor does it represents Western Civilization. Instead, HK indulges in the vices of both China and the West while possessing very little of their virtues.

    • Replies: @Chinaman
  289. Vidi says:
    @I'm Tyrone

    the collapsed ceiling at Islamabad Airport [link]

    The ceiling did not “collapse”. Only a few ceiling tiles fell off, as you can see if you actually read the article at the link. Incidentally, this happened after “56mm of rain fell in less than 90 minutes … accompanied by 37-knot winds” (from the article). That is almost a hurricane (37 knots is 42 miles/hour; a Category One hurricane starts at 74 mph).

  290. antibeast says:
    @I'm Tyrone

    The BRI is largely a scam to debt trap nations and Chinese infrastructure projects are of shoddy quality. Case in point, the collapsed ceiling at Islamabad Airport.

    The Islamabad Airport which started construction in 2007 was financed by the Pakistan Civil Aviation Authority and has nothing to do with China’s BRI which Xi announced in 2013.

    http://www.islamabadairport.com.pk/About/About-Introduction.aspx

    The ground stone of the Islamabad International Airport (ICAO: OPIS) was laid down on 7th April 2007 by ex-prime minister of Pakistan Mr. Shaukat Aziz and was inaugurated formally on 20th April 2018 for regular international and domestic flights.

  291. @Chinaman

    No I dont think on average Chinese want revenge against Japan. Justice yes – like South Korea does as well – but not revenge. The Chinese people are willing to put all that behind them because China is strong again – but when Japan lets itself be used by the US to poke China like nationalizing the Diayou/Senkaku islands – which they know full well they shouldnt have. When Japan sticks its nose in the South China Sea – which it signed the islands back over to China (yes the ROC) in the Treaty of Taipei – or when they voice support for separatists in Taiwan it does bring upmall those old feelings. Even when Japan has the nerve to mouth off to Russia about getting back the Kuril Islands – it does make Chinese think of old Imperial Japan again.. But no I seriously doubt there would be any war of “liberation”. Japan has a rapidly declining population and is rapidly losing any tech edge it had over China. In fact when it comes to newer technology its not even close. But yeah I cant say how much the Nippon group holds sway in Japan or if they are just allowing themselves to be used as a puppet by the US to try to keep China and Russia off balance.

    Well on thing we know is South Korea made it clear they dont want to be used. Just this week President Moon came out clearly and said they will not be picking sides between the US or China regardless of Biden’s policies. So when Japan cant come out and say such – in certainly does bring back the 8 nation alliance days (minus Russia and Germany). But I dont think China has any plans to strike Japan pre-emptively I think it is clear if the US fights China Japan would join in and then yes of course Japan would be in play. Let us hope cooler heads prevail.

    On a day to day level many Chinese admire Japan simply because Japan preserved a lof of Chinese Tang Dynasty culture.

    • Replies: @Chinaman
    , @Joe Wong
  292. Chinaman says:
    @antibeast

    The dongbeiren are known for their tough men and ‘free’ women while the nanfangren are famous for their enterprising men and family women. If you didn’t know this, then you’re hardly Chinese at all.

    I also happened to know that dongbei man beat women and pimps them out…heard so many firsthand stories. Crazy stuff. The women are more 豪爽 as southern man like Jack Ma. Love them and they love me too since I am like that. ( as you might sense from my comments)

    My wife is from Suzhou. Wouldn’t considered it especially cultured. 金雞湖 and all that modelled after Singapore didn’t really work out it should. The beggars at the train station reminds me of.china from the 90s. 苏州园林 is pretty impressive but that’s from a different era. I also went to Chengdu. Not especially impressed but the prettiest women in China. Known many…

    You seem to have an idealisized view of China and obviously a prude. This might just reflect on my “depravity” of course. To each to his own. The gambling and prostitution and vices are thousand year old traditions and no different from any other place in the world. Better than the trannies I see on the street I see in the US or France. It is just what is it and just raw capitalism at work. I am Chinese and accept the good and bad aspect of it. Doesn’t stop me from being a patriot.

    Honestly, my personal view is that traditional Chinese culture reside in Taiwan but that’s being eroded by the nativist…

    • Replies: @antibeast
  293. Chinaman says:
    @Showmethereal

    But no I seriously doubt there would be any war of “liberation”. Japan has a rapidly declining population and is rapidly losing any tech edge it had over China. In fact when it comes to newer technology its not even close.

    Well, history tell us that wars are kind of inevitable and just a matter of time. Actors are different but the script is all the same. I think the stage is set for another one. Perhaps not in our lifetime but then when oil runs out or some natural\man made calamity. Once the young generation forgets or underestimates the horrors of war, hubris and waywardness of man ensures using wars to resolve conflict… Especially between a nuclear power and a non-nuclear one.

    I admire Japanese culture and feels the Asian connection. Feeling is not likewise though.

  294. antibeast says:

    When Abe started his move to change Japan’s Constitution to allow Japan’s military buildup, the Chinese were initially alarmed at the prospect of a rearmed Japan. But Japan’s right-wing Nippon Kaigi are in reality anti-American ‘nationalists’ who want to build up Japan’s military in order to become independent of the US military which they want out of Japan. Their historical views border on the revisionist side such as their claim that the ‘Nanjing Massacre’ was either fabricated or exaggerated and that ‘comfort women’ were willing prostitutes. But their main proposition is the anti-Western ideology of Imperial Japan which view the Japanese military campaigns as a ‘holy war’ to liberate Asia from the West.

    I don’t think the Japanese are stupid enough to be used as guinea pigs in any military conflict between the USA and China/Russia/North Korea as Japan would cease to exist as a country in a nuclear conflagration. The Japanese know their strategic weakness as an island country without any natural resources, dependent upon foreign imports of food and energy. To make things worse, Japan is a non-nuclear State which has the distinction of being the only country in world history to suffer nuclear devastation but has to face three nuclear-armed States, China/Russia/North Korea, in East Asia. No matter how much the Yanks promise they would defend Japan in case of a military conflict between Japan and China/Russia/North Korea, the Japanese know the Yanks will abandon them for the simple reason that the Yanks are not going to sacrifice America to save Japan. And that’s why the Japanese decided to ‘outsource’ the US military to Okinawa which hosts most of the US military bases as well as most of the US troops in Japan. But the Okinawans don’t want the US military either and have been protesting the presence of US troops for decades.

    China has calmed down now that Abe’s intentions have become much clearer. If China/Russia/North Korea wants the US military to leave East Asia, then they would have to accommodate Japan’s desire to free itself of the US military occupation which has lasted since 1945. Aside from their historical revisionism, the other issues are minor irritants such as the Japanese steadfast refusal to acknowledge and compensate the ‘comfort women’ with South Korea recently awarding damages to Korean ‘comfort women’ against Japan.

    The recently concluded RCEP is a step in the right direction of forging closer pan-Asian economic ties. But more work needs to be done to resolve the historical, political and security issues in East Asia. Having said this, I don’t see any future for the Yanks playing any role whatsoever in East Asia, having proven time and again their malevolent designs for the region. The only reason why East Asia has kept the peace is because there are three nuclear-armed States in the region, unlike Eastern Europe, Middle East, North Africa, etc.

  295. Joe Wong says:
    @Showmethereal

    Jap war crime apologist at work to create new reality?

  296. antibeast says:
    @Chinaman

    The gambling and prostitution and vices are thousand year old traditions and no different from any other place in the world.

    HKers love gambling, prostitution, entertainment and other vices which have been exported to Shenzhen, Dongguan, Zhuhai, Guangzhou and other cities in Guangdong Province. When I lived in Shenzhen, street urchins would accost me every day saying “小姐? 老板!”. Then I moved to Quanzhou where I attended a community festival celebrating Buddha’s Birthday in a rural village in Quanzhou which featured Chinese Opera. Finally, when I met my wife in Chengdu, she told me that she didn’t like Shenzhen at all for its crass commercialism. Emeishan which is 45 minutes by high-speed rail from Chengdu hosts a UNESCO World Heritage Site with a 1,900 year-old Buddhist Temple that was built in 100CE.

    my personal view is that traditional Chinese culture reside in Taiwan but that’s being eroded by the nativist.

    There’s been an ongoing revival of traditional and Classical Chinese Culture ever since Xi’s ascent to power but with a modern twist. For example, Confucian Churches have been popping up all over China with tacit support of the State as a moral antidote to excessive materialism since Deng’s liberalization. Hanfu fashion is now in vogue amongst young fashionistas. The Chinese Classics have enjoyed immense popularity even in video games.

    The Taiwanese have been influenced too much by American pop culture such as gangsta rap but not so much by native Taiwanese culture which is just Min-nan culture of Fujian Province. But even Min-nan culture is enjoying a revival for native Taiwanese who seek their ethnic roots in Quanzhou where the State has promoted its unique status as the maritime hub of the ancient Silk Road.

    Where have you been? You don’t sound like someone who knows about China at all.

    • Replies: @Chinaman
  297. Chinaman says:
    @antibeast

    Where have you been? You don’t sound like someone who knows about China at all.

    I am from Sin City Hong Kong. I don’t live in China. I grew up in Taiwan and HK. I go to China every year and have dozens of relatives and friends there. You probably spent more time in China than I ever did. I am Chinese enough to understand relationships and 潜规则 that a Chinese should. My patriotism is not blind too. More of the 愛之深, 責之切 kind.

    Are you actually Chinese? You sound like an erudite white dude who fall in love with the old China that is fading away. Don’t be judgemental. There are many facets of China and I just know a differnt China (perhaps a bit more dynamic and fun) than the one you know.

  298. @Godfree Roberts

    See, this is why nobody can debate with you, Godfree. Anytime we provide links or facts, you just dismiss them as Western propaganda and conspiracy theories, and throw in a little whataboutism for good measure. I could cite multiple studies and anecdotes/empirical evidence, but you would simply attack the source; so there’s really no point. Meanwhile, you think the words of a “Chinese friend” and CCP propaganda are gospel.

    Hence why you and your detractors keep going in circles.

    I just think you’re a curious specimen, Godfree. The mind of a self-hating white man who fights tooth-and-nail to defend the honor of another group will always be a fascinating mystery.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
    , @Alden
  299. @Chinaman

    Old timer? Lol. Its an 80’s movie starring Chow Yun Fat. Maybe 20 somethings dont know him. But I actually do like to watch old time movies. I recently watched the old American film Pork Chop Hill. It was a propaganda movie about the Korean War. They dont tell the audience the US and allies never took the hill. Cant trust Hollywood.

  300. @antibeast

    Yes they are “rehabilitating” Chiang and the KMT. Most westerners would be surprised to know that the KMT is a legally recognized political party on the mainland.
    I think it was in deference to Sun Yat Sen who still remains an “icon”. It was also a great gesture when the KMT leaders visiting the mainland in the early 2000’s were able to publicly visit his mausoleum. We know outside forces did not want to see these forms of reconciliation

    • Replies: @antibeast
  301. antibeast says:
    @Showmethereal

    Beyond ‘rehabilitating’ Chiang, Chinese ‘nationalist’ historians now view Manchu obscurantism as the chief cause of China’s decline during the last few decades of the Qing Dynasty, instead of blaming the three ‘isms’ of Maoist Orthodoxy: ‘feudalism’, ‘capitalism’ and ‘imperialism’, which is the same historical worldview held by Sun Yat-sen and the KMT. Also, Chinese ‘nationalist’ historians now view Mao as the founder of modern China in the same mold as Qin Shi Huang Di, from the lens of Chinese history as opposed to the Marxist-Leninist theory of ‘historical materialism’.

  302. @I'm Tyrone

    You must be a professional troll. The US is the trouble maker and gave “administration” of the islands to Japan in the 70’s when it became clear the Nationslists in Taiwan couldn’t retake Mainland China. That is a fact and reality. Japan should stick to it’s 4 main islands and that’s it – as the terms of surrender. What’s a joke to you can cause a war.
    You might want to check where the most Japanese soldiers died in WW2. But I know you won’t – because you are a “professional” troll.

    • Agree: d dan
  303. @Bay Area Guy

    Anytime we provide links or facts, you just dismiss them as Western propaganda and conspiracy theories, and throw in a little whataboutism for good measure. I could cite multiple studies and anecdotes/empirical evidence, but you would simply attack the source;

    Nonsense. You present allegations and get upset when I point out that they have no substance.

  304. @fish

    The BBC correspondent who invented the Tiananmen Square massacre confessed years ago. It even made a small story well buried in the New York Times. He just added together all the rumors he heard and put them in the Square. Unfortunately, he had no source of information better than either of us.

    The US Embassy was informed that nothing happened in the square by an employee of another embassy and that was also reported in the Western media but as a trivial story. The Army arrived with troops carrying clubs backed by troops with rifles. Their leader led the student protestors out peacefully. Nobody was hit with a club and nobody was shot.

    During the Arab Spring, the student leader from the Square was arrested as a precautionary method by the Chinese so I think he must have been alive. Western leaders complained and their complaints were reported by the New York Times. I don’t know whether they were complaining about his arrest or the fact that he was still alive. I’m serious about that. Remember when the child that appeared in a Syrian Sunni Crusader propaganda movie as a victim of a chlorine gas attack was taken to the Netherlands. He had no ulcers on his skin, eyes or lungs. The Western news reporters were horrified by his good health and agreed that was proof that the Syrian and Russian Governments were evil liars denying obvious reality as reported by Western reporters previously.

    That doesn’t mean that there was no fighting elsewhere in Beijing. There were films shown of petrol bombs being thrown at Army APCs. Those films may have been authentic but never forget that anybody, including Al Qaeda and ISIL, can make a movie. Even the USA can. We should always try to not be as gullible as a normal Western reporter. [email protected]

  305. GammaRay says:
    @I'm Tyrone

    hey bro you still havent responded to my comment (comment #253):

    As for the SCO, China uses salami slicing to annex Indian territory and one of its state owned journalists even said that the Russian city of Vladivostok is Chinese territory. So they form a coalition and then lay territorial claims against 2 nuclear armed member states. Sounds diplomatically retarded to me.

    You sure about that? Unless im missing something, it appears that you’ve taken someone else’s spin on the vladivostok situation and ran with it without bothering to do your own fact checking. According to what I read about this situation it appears to be more of a diplomatic blunder on russia’s behalf instead of china’s. Below is my take on this particularly juicy piece of disinfo that was written a few months ago…

    why is that? You sound pretty knowledgeable about china so why havent you responded to my comment yet? Is there something that you know about the situation that I dont? Come on man, you wanted to bring up the vladivostok claim so lets talk about it

  306. Alden says:
    @Brian Damage

    Holy Roman Empire, 800AD to 1917 AD. Byzantine Empire 325 AD to 1452AD Seljuk/Ottoman Empire 900AD to 1917AD
    Portuguese Empire 450AD to 1960AD
    Western Roman Empire 500AD to 400AD
    Spanish Empire 1500-1830s AD or 1890AD when USA took Philippines Cuba and Puerto Rico

    Change of dynasties isn’t the end of an empire

  307. GammaRay says:
    @..alba...

    true “perfect” conditions rarely manifest specially when jews like you have been backstabiing us in every oportunity you had destroying the very foundation of the west itself

    ummm sorry but conflict is a part of reality. Do you think that whites are special snowflakes that should somehow be exempt from anybody trying to attack them? I guess we should let everyone know that no race or culture is allowed to attack another race or culture since that would be “unfair” or uh…something

    by alive i mean free for me they are the same thing and its certain that we wouldnt be “alive” if some spaniards, didnt resist in the corners of the peninsula…

    the muslims dominated the iberian peninsula for almost eight centuries; thats 800 years. The fact that the spanish still exist today has more to do with the beneficence of its islamic conquerers than anything that the spanish themselves did. Think about it, the muslims controlled spain for almost EIGHT HUNDRED years. Now on the other hand for example consider how many millions the mongols killed in just a few decades; the fact that the islamic conquerers of spain didnt kill all the spanish suggests that its because they didnt want to, not because they were unable to. Ironically the same logic that you attack china with applies exactly the same and even more to spain. In any case you didnt really refute my argument

  308. Alden says:
    @Bay Area Guy

    Godfree’s just a paid lobbyist propagandist. . No different from a lobbyist who lobbies for any client or several clients. The National association of As one day National Association of Bs the next.

    From his atheist flag name Godfree I believe his parents must have been ardent communists of the Agnes Smedley CP Snow variety. He doesn’t even live in China.

  309. @Mefobills

    If it were up to you, then China would always be hiding its head in the sand like an ostrich. But there is no such thing as hiding an economy that is the largest trading nation in the world, the largest industrial nation in the world, the largest economy by GDP (PPP) and 2nd largest by GDP (nominal).

    If China’s economy is an elephant, then that baby elephant has now grown into a young bull. Baby elephants might be able to be hidden away in one’s bedroom, but a young elephant bull cannot — he is simply too large. Xi did the right thing in building up China’s military in the Spratly Islands to defend the bull’s territory from hyenas and in building bridges through BRI for the bull to increase access in green pastures.

    • Agree: Showmethereal
  310. GammaRay says:
    @Mefobills

    The expansion also to include a blue water navy – which did trigger the Atlantacists. Atlantacism requires power projection via a blue water navy. China doesn’t need aircraft carriers for defensive type area denial military.

    im not going to pretend to be an expert on this topic because im not, but it sort of sounds like youre thinking about the situation one dimensionally. Is china pursuing aircraft carriers for their actual military importance or rather because carriers are symbolically useful and neatly fulfill a function as a good “redline” against would be aggressors? In the modern age im inclined to believe that carriers are more important for what they imply as opposed to what they actually do

    secondly, geopolitical situations change; there may be some reason in the future that china will need aircraft carriers for whatever reason, if thats the case then its logical to begin accruing institutional memory and expertise right now instead of waiting years to get around to it. The main thing about advanced and complex weapon systems like carriers isnt the price tag itself, rather its about having the requisite amount of experience and know how to competently operate the carriers; this is something that no amount of money can buy within a timely manner, rather its something that you have to build up over many years and even decades. When you consider it from this angle, china pursuing carriers at this point in time seems a lot more logical. The rational implication to what youre suggesting is that china should wait a few decades and then only at that point start trying to pursue carriers (and the whole arduous, slow and drawn out process of gaining institutional know how and experience). Thats obviously sounds like a really poorly thought out and short sighted policy, even more poorly thought out than “poking the eye of sauron” (really? you sure its not the US thats the one who’s fucking around with everyone else?)

  311. Anonymous[134] • Disclaimer says:

    Carriers are large, visible and expensive. But they shouldn’t be the focus of any grand strategic discussion – they and the planes they hold are still just platforms.

    China is hedging its long-term bets. Sure there’s the colossal Eurasian-African land-mass with its vast resources, arable land and markets, readily available to China via Belt and Road, and RCEP.

    But with a population of 1.4 Billion people (slowly creeping up to an even Billion-and-a-Half), the Chinese don’t want to be cut off from distant markets and sources of raw materials and energy.

    Historically, the Anglo-descended cultures (to include the U.S.) LOVE to apply the Strangulation Strategy against their competitors. Britain did it against Napoleonic France (to scant effect), against Germany (to some considerable effect – there were raw materials bottlenecks) and the United States did it against Imperial Japan (devastating to an island nation).

    The Soviet Union was also STRANGLED ECONOMICALLY by being denied access to markets, investments and trade, not via a navy but by what was, in effect, a PERMANENT SANCTIONS REGIME.

    (Though the Soviets played into American hands by being ideologically driven, unable to reform their economy, spending too much on the military, and sponsoring subversive and guerilla movements worldwide, and being unable to offer civilian goods to anyone). If the Soviets had not unwittingly cooperated with the U.S. strategy, the strategy would have absolutely failed.

    In every instance but the Soviet one, the main instrument of blockade and isolation has been the navy, whether the British Royal Navy, or the United States Navy.

    China will have none of it. As is their right, they will trade with anyone who wishes to trade with them, and no third party (like the United States) will have the right to interfere.

    If any country wants China gone, they just have to say so, and the Chinese leave. But if a country wanted to engage with China, why should the U.S. be able to say otherwise?

    THAT is the logic of a navy for China – to secure the oceanic trade routes, to avoid being able to be blockaded.

    If such ability to be immune from naval coercion upsets the United States, we should ask ourselves why we insist on holding that threat over other nations’ heads in the first place.

    That’s like a man (the United States) pointing a gun (the U.S. Navy) at someone else (China), and then being suspicious the other guy puts on a bullet-proof vest (builds his own navy)!

    Think about it!

  312. Honcho49 says:

    The Wuhan Lab should be leveled, so there won’t be greater repetitions. But Biden, unlike Trump, has no balls.

    • Troll: d dan
  313. @Alfred

    Just a few weeks ago, the West blocked a resolution about “Nazism” in the UN. They support the “Ukronazis.”

    Uh… you do realize that calling them “Ukronazis” is an antisemitic slur, don’t you? A “canard,” even. Despite your claim, there’s zero evidence that ZOG opposed the resolution because of any purported support for German ethnonationalism, or a desire to see Danzig returned to Germany, or to further the establishment of a corridor to East Prussia. The actual issue is that the so-called “Nazis” are serving the interests of a rather more… Levantine nation.

    The most commonly mentioned “neo-Nazi” group in media narratives about Ukraine is the Azov Battalion — which is funded by this very… Germanic-appearing individual:

    Ukraine: Batallion [sic] Backed by Jewish Billionaire Sent to Fight Pro-Russian Militias

    And armed by those notorious Nordic supremacists in… Israel:
    https://electronicintifada.net/content/israel-arming-neo-nazis-ukraine/24876

    And of course, let’s not forget that the coup which overthrew the democratically-elected government of Ukraine in 2014 was orchestrated by that well-known German supremacist, Victoria Nudelman Kagan — aka “Victoria Nuland.”

    And who was installed as president after the coup? None other than that notorious “White supreemist anti-semite,” (((Ukrainian))) oligarch Petro Poroshenko. But what happened in 2019? Surely once Poroshenko was out, a real ebil not-see must have taken over? Uhhh… the “Nazis” at the Jewish Telegraph Agency don’t seem to think so:

    Ukraine’s next president is a Jewish comedian

    What else did they say about the Ukrainian election?
    “…that country is set to become the only one in the world besides Israel whose president and prime minister are both Jewish.”

    Yeah I seem to recall that was one of the primary goals of the 2019 National Socialist German Workers’ Party. Uh huh. Das rite.

    Clearly there’s a particular group in charge in Ukraine — and it certainly ain’t German ethnonationalists or Nordic supremacists.

    What’s actually going on here is similar to the creation/ employment of radical Wahhabi/ Salafi groups to further the interests of Greater Israel and/ or the (((American))) empire, because they’re easily weaponized against other Muslims. Their stated ideology doesn’t matter as long as they can be aimed at the “correct” target.

    Establishment support for antifa is a similar phenomenon. Their stated support for “anarcho-communism” (sincere or not) doesn’t matter to Woke Capital/ the neoliberal establishment — as long as they continue to attack/ silence political dissidents, the corporate “news” media and the (((National Lawyers Guild))) will continue to support/ defend them.

    Similarly, the Azov Battalion’s use of “Nazi” symbology is irrelevant to the Tribe as long as they can be weaponized against the Russians. Given who’s really in charge in Ukraine, RT’s narrative about da ebil not-sees is simply a distraction that reinforces the underlying semitic frame — similar to the oft-heard DR3 (Dems R the REAL “Racists”) rhetoric from the GOPe. It’s a “kosher sandwich” at the international level.

    Look at the way this narrative is constructed: “US lifts ban on funding ‘neo-Nazi’ Ukrainian militia” [Jerusalem Post, 2016]

    Note the use of scare quotes for the term “neo-Nazi.” Interesting — especially since they quote a spokesman for the Wiesenthal Center — second only to Yad Vashem as one of the foremost temples of Holocaustianity — as kvetching: “Oy vey, da ebil White goyim are poisecuting us again, by supporting this jew-funded, Israeli-armed force of ‘ebil not-sees’! It’s like anudda shoah all over again!” (OK, that’s not an exact quote, but it accurately captures the theme of his rant).

    But they also quote this guy:

    “Not everyone was so upset, however, with the Vaad of Ukraine, a Jewish communal body comprising a number of different organizations and known for its nationalist stance on many issues, coming out in favor of the move.
    “I appreciate this decision. It must be clearly understood: there is no kind of ‘neo-Nazi Ukrainian militia’ now. Azov is a regular military unit subordinate to the Ministry of Internal Affairs. It is not irregular division neither a political group. Its commanders and fighters might have personal political views as individuals, but as an armed police unit Azov is a part of the system of the Ukrainian defense forces,” said anti-Semitism researcher Vyacheslav A. Likhachev, speaking on behalf of the Vaad.
    Russian “aggression” is a much bigger threat than Azov, Likhachev insisted, adding that “it is necessary to clearly distinguish between the Azov regiment and political projects related to its former commander.”

    It’s also interesting to note that, back in 2015, Newsweek published a highly-sympathetic piece portraying the Ukrainian adventures of Mikael Skillt, a Swedish mercenary fighting for the Azov Battalion. And just in case you might be under the impression that Newsweek is some “White supreemist not-see” publication — that would be the same Newsweek that, until recently, employed the notorious Michael Edison Hayden, a virulent anti-White and known antifa collaborator, as a narrative promoter. Hayden is currently employed as a narrative enforcer/ antifa liaison/ doxxer at the infamous semitic supremacist anti-White hate group “SPLC.”

    I’m not kidding about Hayden’s antifa collaboration — like The Giardian’s Jason Wilson, he’s pretty open about his antifa connections, but he doesn’t like citizen journalists to write about the issue, as Eoin Lenihan found out to his cost:
    https://quillette.com/2019/05/29/its-not-your-imagination-the-journalists-writing-about-antifa-are-often-their-cheerleaders/
    Hayden is not mentioned in the text of the piece (though he figured prominently in Lenihan’s initial tweets of the results of his analysis), but he was one of the top nodes in Lenihan’s network map of connections between major antifa figures and establishment “journalists” on Twitter [see figure about halfway down the page]. Unsurprisingly, Lenihan was shoahed from Twitter within a couple of days of his first tweets about this issue — and the anticipated publication of his full analysis somehow never materialized. Straight down the old memory hole…

    But Mr. Azov Battalion sniper himself, that notorious “ebil not-see” Mikael Skillt?
    He’s still happily tweeting away — on a platform where the jewish ethnic advocacy group “ADL” literally runs the censorship committee:

    And for a supposed German racial nationalist, Skillt seems to be a pretty enthusiastic supporter of jewish settler colonialism in Palestine:

    Must be hoping for a new Transfer Agreement, I guess…

  314. @Chinaman

    We also see the actions of the USA over many recent decades. USers talk a storm, but what do they actually do? They bomb Asia. The list of Asian countries bombed by the US is very long, from China, Korea, and Japan, to Pakistan, Iraq, and Syria. We watch the USA murdering Asians. Are USAmericans stupid? Can they see what they are doing? Methinks they are so focused on their silly semitism and anti-China propaganda that they can’t see what is in front of their faces.

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