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The European peoples have long thought and felt that each of them was unique, reflecting the particularly history and struggles the successive generations of their ancestors. The cultural differences of European nations have long been known, but today, genetic science is also able to quantify just how unique each nation is from a biological point of view as well.

A paper published last year in Nature observed that most Europeans descend essentially from three ancestral populations:

European hunter-gatherers who settled the continent in the Upper Paleolithic, Europe’s first farmers who expanded from Anatolia across Europe in the early Neolithic starting around 8000 years ago, and groups from the Pontic Steppe that arrived in Europe during the final Neolithic and early Bronze Age ~ 4500 years ago.

Most Europeans’ ancestry can be broken down as a mix of these three ancestral populations. However, the paper adds:

This model, however, does not fit well for present-day populations from north-eastern Europe such as Saami, Russians, Mordovians, Chuvash, Estonians, Hungarians, and Finns: they carry additional ancestry seen as increased allele sharing with modern East Asian populations. The origin and timing of this East Asian-related contribution is unknown.

Hence the existence of so many amusing and tongue-in-cheek Finns-as-Mongols and Finns-as-Elves memes (in general, Elves are generally portrayed looking like northern Europeans with a dash of Oriental).

The Finns, Hungarians, and Estonians are unique in Europe in speaking Finno-Ugric languages. Most European nations speak Indo-European languages, descending from the original language of conquerors hailing from the Pontic Steppe. Genetic studies suggest that Finns are not just uniquely linguistically, but also genetically. Similarly, the Basque are the only other nation in Europe not speaking an Indo-European language and, as I have previously written, their region too appears to be genetically distinct relative to the rest of the French population.

In fact, any East Asian contribution to the Finnish gene pool long predates the Mongols and even the spread of Uralic languages in northern Europe. The scientists estimate that Siberian DNA was present in Finland at least 3,500 years ago.

The existence of a genetically-unique Finnish people has proven beneficial to humanity. A striking example of this is a study conducted by the Washington University School of Medicine which “harnessed the unique genetic history of the people of Finland to identify variations in DNA that might predispose certain individuals to disease, whether or not they are Finnish themselves.”

The Finns, having a unique gene pool, are much more likely to have certain genes predisposing to certain diseases. By analyzing Finnish genomes, the scientists were much better able to determine the correlations between genes and diseases. These genes and diseases are also present, albeit much less frequently, among other populations and hence the study of Finns is also beneficial to humanity’s health as a whole.

The researchers identified “26 potentially harmful DNA variations relevant to cardiovascular and metabolic health,” including genes raising the risk of obesity, diabetes, or high cholesterol levels. What’s more:

Of the 26 DNA variations identified, 19 are either unique to Finnish individuals or over 20 times more frequent in Finland compared with elsewhere in Europe.

Without this unique population — isolated and relatively genetically similar – the researchers estimate they would need to sequence the DNA of hundreds of thousands to millions of people to find these same associations, rather than the relatively manageable 20,000 individuals analyzed in this study.

Adam E. Locke, one of the researchers, observes that Finland has preserved its genetic uniqueness through low historic immigration:

The small population of people who first settled this part of the world – combined with relatively little immigration that would add variation to the gene pool – has pushed important genetic variants that first existed in the founding population to expand and become much more common than they would be elsewhere. Now we can delve into the patient data – which is extremely well-characterized through Finland’s national health-care system – to understand how these genetic variants influence overall health and disease risk in the people who have them.

We can then expect that this typically Nordic combination of genetic uniqueness and quality healthcare systems will prove beneficial to humanity as a whole.

Concerning physiognomy and health, no one denies that ethnic and racial groups have genetically-determined differences. Concerning the Finns:

Finland is a relatively isolated country, and with two major population bottlenecks over its history, the Finnish people have DNA more similar to one another than people in many other parts of the world. . . . The effect has produced a set of genetic diseases – called the Finnish Disease Heritage – that can occur anywhere but are much more common in Finland than in other European populations.

The Jews are another people – because of founder effects and generations of careful, religiously-sanctioned protection of their gene pool from foreign infiltration – uniquely prone to various diseases.

Still, while everyone recognizes physical and health differences due race and ethnicity, few openly discuss differences in physical and sporting ability, let alone cognitive ability and temperament. But it would be very strange if local human evolution affected populations’ physical appearance, their health, but not, curiously, their most important organ: their brain. No less than a miracle from some particularly egalitarian-minded God would be necessary. While average IQ differences between populations are well-documented, we have only barely scratched the surface temperamental differences.

The scientists add that other genetically-unique populations could be studied in this manner: “For example, communities of people living on islands such as Sardinia in Italy, Crete in Greece or the Samoan Islands in the South Pacific also might provide similarly genetically unique populations to study, and perhaps highlight some different yet universal aspects of human health.” All this is possible only because these ethnic groups were kept relatively separate.

Human beings used to be of the opinion that homogeneous nation-states and the preservation of distinct racial/genetic identities were goods for humanity. As late as 1958, an American judge upheld segregation laws writing:

Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And, but for the interference with his arrangement, there would be no cause for such marriage. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix.

Decades earlier, and on a more Darwinian and secular note, the celebrated American horror novelist H. P. Lovecraft argued: “Race prejudice is a gift of nature, intended to preserve in purity the various divisions of mankind which the ages have evolved.”

Personally, I tend to think that human cultural diversity and achievement has been promoted by the existence of genetically distinct peoples – European, Middle-Eastern, Indian, East Asian, including subdivisions within these – and their interaction. Humanity would no doubt have been less fecund if we were made up only of one amorphous blob rather than various nations and peoples, each with their own unique cultural and biological heritage.

The genetic separation and uniqueness of many peoples, especially the Western, is unlikely to survive this century. There will of course still be White Americans, indigenous English, French, Finns, and so on, but, barring a political revolution, they will gradually lose their sovereignty and everything is going to get very muddled indeed over time.

Whatever one thinks of these developments, they are taking place based on the false assumption that race does not exist, that human populations are fully interchangeable, and that the genetic identity of the population is of no relevance to national character and prosperity. This tremendous change is occurring in a fit of mindlessness.

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  1. GeeBee says:

    ‘Whatever one thinks of these developments, they are taking place based on the false assumption that race does not exist, that human populations are fully interchangeable, and that the genetic identity of the population is of no relevance to national character and prosperity. This tremendous change is occurring in a fit of mindlessness.’

    That the priceless bequest of a hundred thousand years of human diversity – true diversity, not its opposite that is so cynically and endlessly peddled to us – is set to be irrevocably squandered without a second thought is testament both to the evils of those pursuing this course and to the dangerous double headed beast that is modern technology.

    • Replies: @East Indian2
  2. BCB232 says:

    They say we are motivated by “hate” but we are motivated by love.

    • Replies: @SOCRATES
  3. I´m afraid two thirds of the dames are pure middle Swedish again 😛

    But I agree the Finnish combination of blonde hair, blue eyes and distinct Asian features is a special kind of cute 😉

    • Agree: Alfred
  4. The scientists add that other genetically-unique populations could be studied in this manner: “For example, communities of people living on islands such as Sardinia in Italy, Crete in Greece or the Samoan Islands in the South Pacific also might provide similarly genetically unique populations to study, and perhaps highlight some different yet universal aspects of human health.”

    Life expectancy on the Greek island of Ikaria is almost a decade longer than in Greece proper for as yet unexplained reasons. I have heard of longevity-minded millionaires moving there, eating the local herbs, etc. but I strongly suspect they’re wasting their time.

  5. Svevlad says:

    Worst of all, everyone that matters actually knows what causes the brain differences, they know exactly how to fix them, yet they have no interest (and probably no balls) to do it.

  6. @nokangaroos

    I´m afraid two thirds of the dames are pure middle Swedish again 😛

    Can’t be true: Half of them look like babes I’ve seen on the streets of Moscow.

    • Agree: Hossein
    • Replies: @j2
  7. j2 says:
    @The Alarmist

    One of them is half-Finn, rest are full Finns. The half-Finn (Russian father) won, I guess she had the strange exotic European looks (which you probably do not notice).

    At that age girls do look quite similar, but fortunately many girls make tattoos, so you can tell them apart.

    That elf meme is because Tolkien created the elf language using the Finnish grammar, and Arwen Undomiel, it is Untomieli, inspired by Kalevala.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
    , @Sean
  8. Anne Lid says:
    @nokangaroos

    One Hungarian classmate of mine in secondary school had flaxen hair and blue eyes with proper epicanthic folds. Very striking features, and cute indeed.

    • Replies: @Logan
  9. getaclue says:

    This article is exactly why the Kalergi Plan was developed by the “Elites”/Banksters and is well funded by them and is now being implemented worldwide by their NGOs/Lackeys/Soros in Europe especially (and the USA….) — No “Conspiracy Theory” well documented and historical fact. Exactly what we see with the “Migrants” being transported in massive numbers by NGOs and traffickers. A generation or two from now and the “Diversity” highlighted in the article won’t be around but the type the NWO cretins want will be and is well on the way now, don’t look for coverage of it in the NYSlimes or Mainslime Media…. https://sovereignwales.com/2016/09/20/the-genocidal-kalergi-plan-to-destroy-the-indigenous-nations-and-peoples-of-europe/

  10. @j2

    Hi j2, completely OT, but I had a question about one of your sources for the upper bound on the deaths at Auschwitz. What is the origin of your claim that 410K Jews survived in concentration camps after the war? The only thing I could find online (I was able to verify all the other numbers) was a claim by the USHMM that according to SS records there were 700K camp inmates at the end of the war, but nothing on Jews specifically. Presumably most were Jews, but I was wondering if you had a specific source. Thanks in advance.

    • Replies: @j2
    , @j2
    , @j2
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  11. Sean says:

    The Finns, having a unique gene pool, are much more likely to have certain genes predisposing to certain diseases.

    No. They are much more likely to have genes that improve their fitness in local conditions.

    https://www.unz.com/pfrost/more-on-french-canadians-and-tay-sachs/

    Are lysosomal storage illnesses common in eastern Quebec for the same reason that they are common among Ashkenazi Jews? At first thought, the idea may seem absurd. Weren’t French Canadians historically a nation of farmers? And didn’t British merchants fill all of the mentally demanding occupations?

    In reality, things were not so simple. There was always a French-Canadian middle class, particularly wherever British merchants were few and far between. They were especially rare in those parts of eastern Quebec that today have high rates of Tay Sach’s (Charlevoix, Saguenay-Lac Saint-Jean, Bas Saint-Laurent). This rarity came to the notice of Alexis de Tocqueville while passing through Bas Saint-Laurent in 1831:

    The West is importing elites now.

    In parts of Finland that is something that is similar to but distinct from distinct from Tay–Sachs disease . According to Peter Frost that part of Finland had less foreign overlords.

    The aforementioned Finnish Tay Sachs-like disease is also found in dogs bred for intelligence, ie working herding dogs.

    http://www.animalabs.com/shop/dogs/neuronal-ceroid-lipofuscinosis-border-collie/

    • Replies: @j2
    , @obwandiyag
  12. I wish all these beauties mate with an pure African man. Their babies would look so cute.
    Anyway , race is a social construct.
    As a person of half Jewish ancestry , I get uncomfortable with the existence of any blue eyed and blonde folks. I hope, before 2050, no blonde and blue eyed people exist.
    In Finland,
    Deplatforming of right wingers continues to happen everyday.

    Islam is growing and getting respect.

    Christian supremacy is getting criticized

    Most white people are old and dying off

    White birth rates are low

    White girls are increasingly having Children of Color with Men of Color

    Open borders immigration is about to be a reality

    Darn it feels good now.

    • LOL: byrresheim
    • Troll: Pater
  13. j2 says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    I had a source for the number. I will look for it.

  14. @Anatoly Karlin

    Personally, spent quite a lot of time on Ikaria and have some family from there. Those longevity millionaires are as misguided as the New Age morons that to Ikaria to learn about living longer. One of the key reasons Ikaria displays longevity (so do other places in Greece) is probably social. An outsider; particularly a spoilt Westerner, will never integrate into a tight-knight village where there are not only rights but also obligations and responsibilities to the community.

  15. j2 says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    I did not easily find the source I used as I dumped most of the printed material for the study (made 2007) when I moved to another city. But I give another source. The numbers are not much different.

    American Jewish Yearbook Vol 51, year 1950,
    http://www.ajcarchives.org/AJC_DATA/Files/Vol_51__1950.pdf
    – has on page 315 the number 197,005 for Jewish survivors on DP camps December, 1946
    – on page 317 is mentioned that about 20,000 Jewish (camp) survivors cared for themselves, i.e., about 20,000 are not included in 197,005, the precise figure.

    [MORE]

    Then we take AJY 38/39 and 48/49 sum the figures to get that in countries occupied by Germany in the war except for the Soviet Union of 1941: (the text is from my posts)

    AJY 1939-40 gives the Jewish populations to Belgium, Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, Danzig, Denmark, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Italy, Yugoslavia, Netherlands, Norway and Luxemburg. Austria is merged into Germany in these figures. These figures sum to 2.216 million. The figure for Germany after annexing Austria is given as 691,163, correcting it to 300,000 in 1941 for Germany and Austria from the 1939 estimate of the American Jewish Year Book for 1948-49 given on Table 6 on the page 697. Thus, the estimate for Jews in these countries is 1.83 million for 1941. (That is, this is from AJY with my correction to one figure)

    Then we use the very good figure that 1.126-1.2 million were transported from these countries. 1.2 million is the Yad Vashem figure, let’s use it. It leaves 1.83-1.2=0.63 million to these countries.

    In 1948, in the countries (Belgium, Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, Danzig, Denmark, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Italy, Yugoslavia, Holland, Luxembourg ja Norway) were 0.83 million Jews.

    So, the difference is 0.83-0.63=0.2 million. Some, but a small part, is of population growth (as people also die in the war time). That the number in 1948/49 is 200,000 larger can only mean that about this number Jews returned form camps and went home, not to DP camps.

    Adding these Jews:
    200,000 returned from camps home, did not go to DP camps
    197,000 were in DP camps December 1046
    20,000 were in DP camp as refugees in a way, but cared for themselves and are not in 197,005.
    —-
    = about 417,000 Jews survived the war in concentration camps.

    The numbers I used were that after the war there were 250,000 Jews in DP camps and 50,000 of them were still in camps in 1946. It is not in contradiction with the figure that December 1946 there were 197,005 Jews in DP camps, because this only means that new Jews came to the camps after the war ended. This is also not in contradiction with the number that 410,000 Jews survived in camps: 250,000 went to DP camps and 160,000 returned home. So, the numbers I used from another reference are not in any contradiction with these numbers, but as here is a reference, let us use these numbers. All of these numbers are in a sense correct, but still they are all different. It is because they do not mean the same thing. (50,000 Jews in DP camps in 1946 from the 250,000 that were there straight after the war is not in contradiction with that 197,000 Jews were in DP camps in 1946, there were newcomers).

    Let’s do the DP camp calculation with this reference.

    AJY 1950 gives the number of Jews in the DP camps in June 30. 1948 as 142,936. Additionally there were the 20,000. June 30. 1949 there were 52,398. Thus, since June 30 1946 only 163,000 Jews could have migrated anywhere from DP camps, unless there came new Jews to the camps.

    Israel was founded May 14. 1948. To Israel migrated 338,000 Jews 1948-53 from DP camps, to the USA 80,000, to Canada and South Africa 20,000. Together migrated 438,000. There was
    163,000. Thus, 275,000 had come to DP camps after June 30. 1948. At most 123,000 were from Romania, so 152,000 had to come from the East. At most 104,000 were from Poland, so 50,000 apparently were survivors of Operation Reinhard camps. So, more people survived these camps than the official story claims.

    I consider my original numbers more correct (as after the war there were 250,000 Jews in DP camps and only 50,000 of these Jews were still on DP camps in 1946), but even with these Jewish numbers you get a contradiction with the official story.

    Is this enough for you, or will I try to locate the original source I used? It does not pop up in google, as it did in 2007.

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    , @Beefcake the Mighty
  16. j2 says:
    @j2

    This may suggest that 250,000 Jews were in DP camps straight after the war (but it confuses that new Jews came there after the war and that in total 438,000 migrated from DP camps). In general, all data is rather confusing concerning the DP camps. I did what I saw the most likely fit to all information. Over 197,000 were in camps, and new Jews did come to camps after 1945.

    https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/displaced-persons
    “From 1945 to 1952, more than 250,000 Jewish displaced persons (DPs) lived in camps and urban centers in Germany, Austria, and Italy. These facilities were administered by Allied authorities and the United Nations Relief and Rehabilitation Administration (UNRRA).”

  17. anonymous[191] • Disclaimer says:
    @nokangaroos

    I am around East Asians all the time and none of those women in the pictures of Miss Finland look Asian to me.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
    , @Tony
    , @tamo
  18. j2 says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    I will calculate the number from the American Jewish Congress Yearbook vol 50, 1948/49, statistics
    http://www.ajcarchives.org/AJC_DATA/Files/1948_1949_18_Statistics.pdf

    [MORE]

    Page 708, Table 13 gives the number of Jews in DP camps in Germany, Italy, Austria end 1945 as 90,000. (There are local German Jews, 15,000 and Shanghai Jews, 15,000, remove either one of them, I do not include the 15,000 emigration to Shanghai, so this makes no error)

    Page 709, Table 14, add displaced Jews in Czechoslovakia, Hungary, the Soviet Union, end of 1945. These are displaced, so not from those countries. In the Soviet Union they are mainly Polish Jews (that is, West Poland of the division of 1939). The sum is 202,00-207,000, set to 205,000.

    Together these make 90,000+205,000=295,000. But this figure does not correctly count Jews of Western Poland. What I want is the number of Jewish survivors in camps in 1945 in the area that included all that Germany had occupied, with the exception of the Soviet Union of 1939-41 (which includes the three Baltic countries and Eastern Poland). Thus, Western Polish Jews in the Soviet Union in the Table 14 should be there, but there are missing Western Polish Jews.

    P. 693 Table 1 gives the Polish Jewish population as 88,000 in 1948.
    P. 697 Table 6 gives the number of Polish Jewish survivors as 3.25-2.9=350,000. This is survivors of Western Polish Jews, the Eastern Polish Jews were later Soviet Jews.
    Thus, 262,000 are somewhere, in the Soviet Union displaced Jews figure of Table 14 are only 180,00. There is missing 82,00.
    P. 715 explains this, Polish Jews came later to DP camps, 98,800 in the year 1946. These are still not from the Eastern areas (the area of the Soviet Union after it took Eastern Poland), these are from Soviet occupied Western Poland.
    P. 713 gives the number of Jews in DP camps after these Western Polish Jews had come, as about 231,900-206,000. Let us set the number to 205,000, as some Romanian Jews also had come.

    The number of Jewish survivor from concentration camps and work camps in the area occupied by Germany before the Barbarossa attack is thus:
    205,000 in DP camps in the Western allied area
    205,000 displaced Jews in Czechoslovakia, Hungary and the Soviet Union

    410,000

    Comment: the issue of DP camps is messy, as there is an obvious effort to confuse the total death toll. But this is one way you can deduce that the number of survivors who were in camps was about 410,000 Jews. There were other displaced Jews, who escaped to other countries, they are not included in this number. This is just those who were in German hands in camps.

    • Replies: @JMcG
  19. j2 says:
    @Sean

    “The aforementioned Finnish Tay Sachs-like disease is also found in dogs bred for intelligence, ie working herding dogs”

    Breeding reduces the gene pool and a small genetic pool leads to genetic diseases. As for if any genetic disease of the brain causes higher intelligence in heterozygotes, I very much doubt it.

    The reason is simple: if some mutated gene gives some advantage as heterozygote (one non-mutated gene, one mutated gene in the chromosome) and causes a serious disease as homozygote (two mutated genes in a chromosome, or a single mutated gene in the male X-chromosome), then the rate of carriers of the disease (heterozygotes) to the prevalence of the disease (homozygotes) is not the same number as is given by the Hardy-Weinberg equation in equilibrium. The recessive advantage of such a gene gives a clearly different ratio, depending on how much advantage the mutated gene gives.

    There is data on most of the Ashkenazi Jewish diseases giving the carrier frequency and the prevalence rate. For all of these diseases the measured ratio is very close to the one given by the Hardy-Weinberg equilibrium. This strongly implies that these diseases do not give any recessive advantage, thus they do not increase intelligence.

    The same is most probably true of Finnish diseases. In fact, very few diseases give any recessive advantage. One of the very few is the gene for sickle cell anemia, which does give some protection against malaria.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  20. @j2

    This is fantastic, thanks again for your work on this topic. You don’t need to dig up the original source, but was it a book or a website?

    BTW, even if we allow for 100K uncertainty on the two most complicated sunsets (Jews who survived in camps and those who died in German camps), that puts an upper bound on Auschwitz at 500K, which still refutes the official story.

    And going further OT (apologies for thread-jacking, this forum needs PM), are you familiar with Himmler’s bartering attempts with Sweden at the end of the war:

    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v11/v11p335_Nordling.html

    He’s obviously embellishing numbers, but it ties in to (reasonable) speculation about Eichmann’s role in transfer of Hungarian Jews (who account for the single biggest mismatch with the Auschwitz death books).

    • Replies: @j2
  21. @anonymous

    ASIANS IN SCANDINAVIA

    That is because Swedes and Norwegians are descended from Germanic tribes whose populations simply expanded Northwards into Scandinavia. Denmark is lumped into Scandinavia but it is North Germany for all practical purposes.

    Finns are originally from Hungary and speak a similar language-they are Slavs, essentially.

    Laplander people are not exactly Eurasian, they migrated from Siberia at some point. They did live in Scandinavia before Germanic tribes arrived but intermarriage was limited and in any event they live in the far North in Lapland.

    Nobody in Malmo or Copenhagen is an Asiatic.

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    , @Logan
  22. @j2

    j2

    While it is extremely politically incorrect to state the obvious, Africans anti-malarial adaptations made them more vulnerable to AIDS and that is why it is so prevalent among Africans everywhere.

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    , @j2
  23. Sean says:

    The cleverest dogs are working border collies, with many of the greatest working Collies having been carriers for Collie eye anomaly”. Working Border collies also tend to suffer from another quite different disease; something called Ceroid-Lipofucinosis. One breeder says one of his best dogs has it.

    Humans get something similar, its called Neuronal ceroid lipofuscinosis. Up until the 1900s it was thought to be identical to Tay-Sachs. One form is called Infantile neuronal ceroid lipofuscinosis and is extremely rare; except in Finland where it was first identified .

    I think there is a similarity to Tay Sachs in Quebec ‘LOCAL carrier frequency in the western coastline communities is 1:24, whereas carrier frequency in the rest of Finland is less than 1:100.’
    The age of human mutation:genealogical and linkage disequilibrium analysis of the CLN5 mutation in the Finnish population. says “. The pedigrees of the vLINCL ancestors merged on many occasions, which also supports a single founder mutation that obviously happened 20 to 30 generations ago (i.e., approximately 500 years ago) in this isolated population.”

    I am reliably informed that “the western coastline was under stronger Swedish influence than the rest of Finland”, and consequently “the market economy may have developed there at an earlier date, with an attendant increase in demand for literate and numerate individuals with a future-oriented time orientation”.

    For all of these diseases the measured ratio is very close to the one given by the Hardy-Weinberg equilibrium. This strongly implies that these diseases do not give any recessive advantage, thus they do not increase intelligence.

    Why is the canine version of the disease that started 500 years ago in the part of Finland where the market economy got started also found in the world most intelligent dogs, which are working herding dogs. Please note that these dogs are bred for their mental abilities and not their looks and disease is a great disadvantage so recessives would be eliminated by the breeders. If they can’t, it’s because the best dogs tend to carry a recessive.

    In fact, very few diseases give any recessive advantage. One of the very few is the gene for sickle cell anemia, which does give some protection against malaria.

    I hardly think you are making a killer argument for thinking that recessives other than the animalaria ones do not survive and spread by conferring a recessive carrier advantage. If anything the logical inference would be quite the opposite: that while anti malaria recessives confer a massive advantage, a very tiny barely there advantage has been enough to enable other recessives to spread from a single founder hundreds of years ago.

    • Replies: @j2
    , @obwandiyag
    , @Anounder
  24. j2 says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    “Africans anti-malarial adaptations made them more vulnerable to AIDS”

    This may well be correct, and the gene for sickle cell anemia was not that good protection. Let us simply forget about the small possibility that deleterious genes may occasionally have positive effects in heterozygotes. What is bad is bad, usually.

    “Finns are originally from Hungary and speak a similar language-they are Slavs, essentially.”

    No, Finns are original fenno-ugrig, like Mari people, or any of those fenno-ugric people you may still find in Russia.

    Hungarians are not genetically fenno-ugrian, but from old graves you can find out that once their country was conquered by fenno-ugrian people called Magyar. Magyars had the Y-DNA haplogroup N, like Finns have. This you see from graves when analyzing the bones. Present day Hungarians do not have this haplogroup, or it is very rare. Present day Hungarians are mainly descendants of the people, who Magyars conquered. They are genetically Slavs, not much different from Poles.

    Finns are different, they are not Slavs, and they are also not Scandinavian or Germanic. (Or Saami, for that matter. Saami came most probably from Ural at some point.)

    Northern Russians appear in some aDNA plots as similar to Finns, but not in other pots. There has not been any major admixture between Russians and Finns. The partial genetic similarity is because Northern Russians have some Permian or Carelian blood and those people were once the same people as Finns. Finns are part of a Northern hunter-gatherer population that once lived in all Northern latitudes of Eurasia from Finland to North Korea, but did not invent anything great, like a civilization, did not conquer anyone, but just kind of stayed there where they were and minded their own business. And that’s about the wisest thing you could do with your life.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
    , @Iris
  25. j2 says:

    “While average IQ differences between populations are well-documented, we have only barely scratched the surface temperamental differences.”

    Most Europeans are genetically very similar, or at least on a continuous spectrum, and because of that they can feel that all people are similar inside, feel the same and so on. It is not so. Even though Finns are only in a very minor way genetically different from main stream Europeans, there are clear differences. Even Finns, who are 80-90% European, are not psychologically the same as European in temperament and psychology, so what can one expect from people, who are genetically very far from Europeans. Do not think you ever understand Chinese or American Indians or so. They are people, but not just like you. Forget that all are the same, all are not the same. They do not like your art, your music, your movies, your truths, anything, like you do not see any sense in what they do. People are not all the same.

    I know some people, foreigners (=idiots), who, when watching young Finns, imagine that it is cultural, that this new generation is the same as Europeans. I think they are naive and brainwashed. It is not so. I could not be anything what I am not, neither can the kids, they are just young for a while. When those young people grow up, they will be just the same Finns. It is mainly genetic. Once they stop pretending being European, they are the same as their parents were. Nothing ever changes. But about IQ, it really depends on what you have read, on schools and so on. Teach advanced math. in schools, so the kids will do well in math. olympiads (and fail the real life). IQ is not that genetic, you know.

    • Replies: @Durruti
  26. @j2

    j2

    Lapps were not from the Ural Mountains. They originated slightly east of Lapland in Siberia somewhere.

    They were in Northern Scandinavia prior to Germanic tribes who became Swedes or Norwegians.

    As for Finns minding their own business, well, perhaps, but they gave the Germans hell during WWII.

    Scientist have long known that some West Central African adaptation to mosquito-borne viruses somehow made Africans more susceptible to the AIDS virus. African-Americans are descended from West African tribes and so this is why a 40 year old Filipino bar girl on the game for decades is less likely to have AIDS than 15 year old black teenager from St. Louis.

    This makes it unfair to simply dismiss high AIDS rates among blacks as a result of promiscuity, but it is also racist to say they developed some resistance to mosquito borne pathogens.

    • Replies: @j2
    , @JMcG
  27. j2 says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    “Lapps were not from the Ural Mountains. They originated slightly east of Lapland in Siberia somewhere. ”

    Maybe so, but I once looked at admixture plots by Myllyla and from them it looked like Saami are from some area close to Mari and Chuvas, almost identical DNA. Saami are some ancient hunter people, not closely related to Finns or anybody, but genetically they look fenno-ugrian:
    http://www.pienisalaliittotutkimus.com/wp-admin/post.php?post=601&action=edit

    “As for Finns minding their own business, well, perhaps, but they gave the Germans hell during WWII.”

    Maybe you mean Soviets, not Germans. Finns were on the German side in the WWII. The war Finland had against Germany in 1944, that is, forcibly pushing Germans to Norway as the Soviets demanded it, was not a major war, like WWII. Finns used only infantry and small forces, no artillery, no air force. Germans in principle agreed to withdraw, as they had already lost the war. Though Germans did burn Lapland (not so nice people) because Soviets demanded that Finns had to force Germans to leave faster than they wanted, that is, leaving material behind. This material went to Soviets, that’s what they wanted.

  28. j2 says:
    @Sean

    “I hardly think you are making a killer argument for thinking that recessives other than the animalaria ones do not survive and spread by conferring a recessive carrier advantage. If anything the logical inference would be quite the opposite: that while anti malaria recessives confer a massive advantage, a very tiny barely there advantage has been enough to enable other recessives to spread from a single founder hundreds of years ago.”

    The killer argument is simply that the ratio of carriers to disease prevalence would be different from that of Hardy-Weinberg equilibrium, if there were a recessive advantage. As Jewish diseases give the same Hardy-Weinberg equilibrium ratio, those diseases have no recessive advantage. About Finnish diseases I have not checked, but nobody has ever suggested that they would have given any IQ advantage. Indeed, Finns do not have any special genetic IQ advantage. Only some foreign researchers imagine Finns have such an advantage, I certainly do not. The Finnish IQ is just the normal European IQ, and any advantage is from the school.

    About dogs. What humans call dog intelligence means only that the dogs obey the masters. Actually wolfs are more intelligent than dogs and have a bigger brain, but they kill human masters, quite effectively in many cases. I have had dogs and I do not necessarily agree on shepherd dogs being more intelligent, more obedient surely, nicer to work with certainly, but more intelligent?

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @fnn
  29. j2 says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    “was it a book or a website?”

    It was several websites giving this 410,000 number, it seemed to be an accepted number, but naive me, these pages seem to disappear and the truth changes in time.

    It should be easy to set an upper limit to Auschwitz that refutes the official theory. The official theory in some way ignores that Poland was divided to West and East in 1939 and there were only small transports from the East to the West, as Germans moved Jews to the East.

    [MORE]

    I read Nordling’s article long ago. Later I could not match Sanning’s figures for Poland to the census in Poland and to deaths in camps and ghettos, even when death camps are removed. I will reread it.

    As I had to look again at AJY vol 50, it still looks like my main argument it correct. AJY vol 50 has the 6 M figure as:
    Europe 1948 3,779,300 Jews
    Europe 1939 9,739,200 Jews

    But the figure for 1939 should be 8.89 million, not 9.74 million, so there is an error of 0.77 million.
    Then there is missing the migration. There is migration before 1948: 75,000 legal migration to Palestine by the white book, 138,000 legal migration to Palestine from DP camps, 110,000 illegal migration to Palestine by Aliyah Bet. Together 0.323 million. Then there is migration after 1948, which I calculate as 0.383 million. Thus, migration is 0.323+0.383=0.706 million. Reducing these gives the death toll as 4.5 million.

    Then looking at the foot comment of the Soviet 2 million survivers in AJY vol 50, it is: Germans killed 3,050,000 – 1,050,000 Jews, thus the number of Jews in the Soviet Union in 1948 is 2 million. This means, it could be 1-3 million. Later Soviets changed the text to: Germans killed 1-1.5 million. It should have changed the survivors to 2.5-3 million. So, 2.9 million survivors in the SU is fully according to AJY vol 50.

    Finally, nobody knows how many Jews were in the three Baltic countries and the SU in 1939. It can very well be 1 million less than AJY 1939 states.

  30. Andy says:
    @M Krauthammar

    You are working on the fantasy that Jews will be treated better in a putative non-White America (they will hardly be better treated than now where they are the de facto elite of the country). Actually they will be treated far worse if America is ever run by so called people of color who has no guilt complex whatsoever toward the Jews. You think is by chance that the most “antisemitic” congressmen today tend to be black?

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
  31. Sean says:
    @j2

    About Finnish diseases I have not checked, but nobody has ever suggested that they would have given any IQ advantage

    I believe I was the first, in 2013.

    Actually wolfs are more intelligent than dogs and have a bigger brain, but they kill human masters, quite effectively in many cases. I have had dogs and I do not necessarily agree on shepherd dogs being more intelligent, more obedient surely, nicer to work with certainly, but more intelligent

    There are only 200 wolves left in Finland, because they are so much smarter than dogs? A dog will understand and not break the rules of humans. Even ordinary breed dogs can do things that chimps have trouble with. I agree that the puppies from working sheepdogs do not make good pets, but as with highly intelligent people, working Border collies tend to become neurotic unless they are kept busy.

    • Replies: @j2
  32. Juoni says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    That is because Swedes and Norwegians are descended from Germanic tribes whose populations simply expanded Northwards into Scandinavia.

    This doesn’t have anything to do with what anonymous said above.


    Finns are originally from Hungary and speak a similar language-they are Slavs, essentially.

    And this is completely wrong.

    Finns are not from Hungary but mostly from area that is nowadays Northern Russia. And no, Finns are not close to Slavs either although Northern Russians tend to have some Finnic ancestry.

  33. fnn says:
    @j2

    What humans call dog intelligence means only that the dogs obey the masters.

    Humans generally consider dogs that are more trainable to be more intelligent. Pretty much the same way they judge the intelligence of fellow humans. Of course, like some humans, some dogs (e.g., Siberian Huskies, who the Chukchi tribe mostly left to fend for themselves when they weren’t working) are independent spirits and are not all that amenable to training.

  34. j2 says:
    @Sean

    “There are only 200 wolves left in Finland, because they are so much smarter than dogs?”

    I once read a book, the world without us, which claimed that if humans would disappear, all these tamed animals would soon be killed by the wild ones. It is taming, it decreases the brain and removes essential capabilities for survival, so you become dependent. It has also happened to humans, and human brain has decreased, and lost many capabilities. Taming reduces aggression. Aggression is essential for removing deviants, possessors of mutated genes. Ad tamed animals, like dogs, have reduced aggression, they accept all kinds of other dogs. A wolf would kill strange looking wolfs and stay on the competitive edge as a top killer. Reducing aggression leads to all kinds of irrational behavior, like small dogs seem to think they are as strong as much bigger dogs, so they fight and lose, and a human must save the smaller dog. Humans have even bred races, like the Finnish bear dog, that is not afraid of a bear. That is naturally outmost stupidity from a dog. The same has happened when humans tames themselves, so weak men, or even women, dare to challenge an alpha male. In the real world an animal behaves as it should behave, as it has always behaved. No new inventions, no new behavior, as everything new is by default worse than the traditional way. And intelligence is not trainability, as no animal should be trained, neither no human should be trained by other humans, only taught by parents to do what they did. Intelligence is the problem solving ability. Problems should be solved without help, like an intelligent student is one who can himself solve a problem, not the one who looks up the solution from a book, or the one who pays for another student to solve it for him. Wolfs certainly can solve problems, like staying away from the sight of humans, much better than dogs, so they are more intelligent. The most intelligent humans therefore move to the far north where they stay as far from other people as possible, as that is not only intelligent, but also wise.

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @Durruti
  35. j2 says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    “While it is extremely politically incorrect to state the obvious, Africans anti-malarial adaptations made them more vulnerable to AIDS and that is why it is so prevalent among Africans everywhere.”

    But in a sense it was a positive adaptation to the environment. I was once thinking what positive adaptation Finns have developed and concluded that they can tolerate better being alone. Most people would get heavily depressed, start drinking and finally kill themselves in a place without enough sun. But actually also Finns do all those things, so I figured out that the adaptation is not being better in tolerating a place without enough sunlight, it is not being able to cope with other people. As places with more sunlight are so populated, Finns do not feel at home there – too many people, too much socializing, so they stay in the sunless place. This is clearly a positive adaptation, as it keeps those Northern latitudes populated.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  36. One of the most hilarious foofawraws in the last year was when Dark Journalist said that the Men in Black were Sami sorcerers and an army of Finns flamed him to hell and back. He had some explorer’s report that they could fatally assault you with mind rays.

  37. @j2

    j2

    American sociologists noticed that with Finnish immigrants in Minnesota.

    Many of the males who immigrated to Minneapolis ended up being vodka drunks on the sidewalks; however, they made excellent lumberjacks (Paul Bunyan for example) in the isolated Northern regions. Unlike Italians or Irish, they never acclimated to the urban centers. Finns became something of an underclass (Leading Americans to curtail their immigration).

    Perhaps Aileen Wuornos was the most horrifying example of Finns who moved to the US and became victims of urbanization. Her Finnish parents had no idea what to do with her on the streets of Detroit.

    I’m exaggerating, of course. I’ve known many successful Finnish-Americans, being from Michigan.

  38. The European peoples have long thought and felt that each of them was unique

    Yea no. Not so different from each other (except catholics).
    Just inherently better than any sort of wog or nigger. Or catholic.

  39. @Andy

    You think is by chance that the most “antisemitic” congressmen today tend to be black?

    Ah. You mean “slightly less intelligent than a roadkill toad”. I see your confusion.

  40. The Finns, having a unique gene pool, are much more likely to have certain genes predisposing to certain diseases.

    No doubt. But all five-and-a half million of them are probably outnumbered in the male line by Clan Donald alone, globally, and in no imaginable way a more restricted “gene-pool”. Never mind the (sons of) Mac Cailean Mór.
    Which makes the finns a touch less special.
    Even the prolific Hebrews can’t match the sheer mindless inbred dominance of the Gael, worldwide.

  41. Anonymous[124] • Disclaimer says:
    @nokangaroos

    A really Elvin looking female would be the Icelandic entertainer Björk.

    Of course, Icelanders were originally Norwegians who must have some admixture of Finnish, being in such close proximity to them.

    Pretty sure there were Finnish tribes who allied with the Vikings, as did the Palobian Pirates from the westernmost Slavic tribes living on the Baltic, like the Wends, Sorbs, and Veleti who, except for the Kashubes, have mostly gone extinct or have been thoroughly Germanized.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  42. @Anatoly Karlin

    Steve Sailer recently mentioned fake Armenian centenarians: https://www.unz.com/isteve/110-year-old-people-usually-arent-110-years-old/

    I think the same might be true of Ikaria. It’s where all the Greek commies were sent, so I’m guessing they are very anti-establishment, and prone to faking ages for pension money.

  43. You have no idea HOW unique!

    • Replies: @chris
  44. What a-load-of-horseshit!
    Voi Vittu!
    Primarily the comments, as well as the ‘outdated’ source material presented by the french author.
    So.
    Paljon paaskaa puhuua.
    Anteeksi.
    Suomi on minun kolmas kieli.
    Asunnut yli kolmekymenntä vuotta sitten SUOMI.
    Anyway, my wife is a Finnish Lapp. A blood expert as well as very very very well-informed about the DNA of *Finns*.
    There is, no reason to ‘debate’ anyone here, at this time.
    Perhaps Ron Unz will be so kind as to forward my email to this french guy writing this potpourri.
    In the 70’s, I planned on studying medicine.
    Glad I didn’t.
    I’m an old N.J.-guy btw.
    Regards, and don’t believe all that is written here, concerning Finns.
    Adjö X-

    • Replies: @Oikeamielinen
  45. Anon[388] • Disclaimer says:

    The elfin-looking Tuukka Rask:

  46. @Anonymous

    Bjork reflects the small degree of Native admixture as a result of Viking settlers transporting Micmac and women from Canada and New England to Iceland during the initial settlement period. Though most of the females in Iceland were Irish or Scots women the Norse also transported a few Native American women as well.

    • Disagree: niceland
    • Replies: @niceland
    , @Bill Jones
  47. Sean says:
    @j2

    Wolves are to dogs as chimps are to bonobos, and modern humans are to Cro Magnons. They are more weakly built, much less aggressive and the brain is much smaller. They can also learn new stuff. Richard Wrangham says the brain shrinking is a symptom of selection against aggression. In humans he thinks the dangerous men, killers, were just done away with by a vigilante mobs thus selecting against aggression.

    There is definitely a huge difference between Finns and Swedes. And you couldn’t get more different people that Danes and Finns. So you may be right that Finns are the wolves of Europe.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  48. @Sean

    SEAN

    Actually, minus the refugees, crime and aggression are low in Finland. Judges are not blown up like they are in Sicily. There is no widespread organized crime in Finland. Whereas New Jersey and other East Coast cities have always had to deal with the mafia, the heavily Finnish Minnesota and Upper Michigan never did.

    Strangely, the dog breeds with the most amount of wolf blood like Malamutes and Huskies are not the most ferocious.

    Danes are Germans and Finns are Russians, so obviously they look different.

    • Replies: @j2
  49. niceland says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Vikings bringing people from North America to Iceland it’s a fun idea, supported by nothing really. I wonder why you try to insist this is reality?

    • Replies: @j2
  50. j2 says:
    @niceland

    “Vikings bringing people from North America to Iceland it’s a fun idea, supported by nothing really. I wonder why you try to insist this is reality?”

    Vikings went to Greenland and there were Eskimos. Bjork does look like having some Native American blood, maybe Eskimo, maybe American Indian. Vikings took slaves from Scotland, and very probably took slaves from Greenland, if they met any locals. Here is data that Iceland people have Native American DNA, brought there by Vikings. Native Americans never reached Iceland, but Vikings populated it and then there pops up Native American mtDNA? Any other theory how it got there?
    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/11/101123-native-american-indian-vikings-iceland-genetic-dna-science-europe/
    “Analyzing a type of DNA passed only from mother to child, scientists found more than 80 living Icelanders with a genetic variation similar to one found mostly in Native Americans. “

    • Replies: @niceland
  51. j2 says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    “Finns are Russians,”

    Let’s put it this way: some Russians are Finns. Russian DNA from Northern Russian, European side, is rather similar to Finnish DNA in admixture, but this is because those Russians descend from Karelian, Permis and some even are Inkeri Finns, that is real Finns, or Communist Finns, also real Finns (the bad ones). But in general, Russians are not genetically similar to Finns. This Northern Russian population is a small subpopulation in Russia. Most of them are Slavs, mixed with whatever.

  52. j2 says:

    But as for the argument of the author of the article, that it is good to keep original populations, I am not so sure of it.

    Finally what I expect to happen (in the long run) is that this culture will collapse, as they always do. And maybe finally those who will survive are some aboriginal tribes in Africa and elsewhere. There is no need that there are many of them. One pair suffices to start the new population, and if high culture collapses, for a long time human population will be sparse.

    So then, what is the gain of keeping the local adaptations, like Finns, for instance? Are they more happy that way? Maybe not. And if mixing populations you lose something, maybe so, but if the local adaptations are really not that good. (Say, a local adaptation to lack of sunshine is to tolerate drunken people as that in any way is the only way to survive there, and another adaptation is to lose the ability to socialize, so what is so great in these adaptations? Though, I admit, Finns have also some positive features, and there is a positive feature in being able to trust people, as is the case there.) But in general, are these local adaptations so much worth saving?

    And I guess there is something to preserve in having people who, of Europeans, are genetically as far as possible from Italians.

    • LOL: JMcG
    • Replies: @Cowboy
  53. niceland says:
    @j2

    This study wasn’t taken very seriously over here. They are speculating about single female. It’s possible but it’s only a theory.

    I don’t know where Björk got her looks from but I don’t think we need to go back to the Vikings for explanation. She could have some genes from Inuits, Sami or Finland. Many possibilities.

  54. Брат says:

    Finland, the longest standing Mongol camp in the midst of Europe–the very definition of a Khanate. Definitely not Hhhh-White.
    It’s ok though, Russians have plenty of experience routing Tartar invaders. Give us another chance; we can finish the job and reunite with our Swedish brethren by winter. Prince Rurik would be so proud. #winterwar2.0 #makescandinaviagreatagain #invadefinland2019

  55. Uralic peoples were the aboriginal people of the whole area from the Steppes to Finland (and then there are the Steppe Finns and don’t forget the Mordvins) and beyond. They didn’t have to come from anywhere, although prehistoric peoples were both migratory and not.

  56. @Sean

    Diabetes is an favorable adaptation for cold climates.

  57. @Sean

    But then there are the traits that present themselves when you make either a dog from a wolf (barking, spotted coats, curled tails, floppy ears, etc.) or a doglike fox from a feral fox, that seemingly have nothing to do with domestication, and seem to have neither harmful nor beneficial effects, but that just kind of tag along. No one knows why. But it shows how this whole simple-minded understanding of Darwinian selection is much more complicated than boneheads get.

    • Replies: @Sean
  58. The Finns, Hungarians, and Estonians are unique in Europe in speaking Finno-Ugric languages.

    Yes, but Finnish and Estonian are more or less mutually intelligible, like Swedish and Danish. They are thousands of years separated from Hungarian, much like Swedish and Danish are from Persian.

    Still, a young Hungarian I met in Finland couldn’t understand a word the locals spoke, but felt a connection deep in the rhythm of the language. For one thing, all three tongues maintain a strong initial stress. Oddly (or not), you hear that in Czech and Slovak as well. (Polish and Russian have very different stress rules, despite the close similarity of all Slavic languaes.)

    Do the genetic studies show analogous gaps?

  59. @M Krauthammar

    I wish you mate with pure African man. You’d enjoy it no doubt.

    • Replies: @Stebbing Heuer
  60. Cowboy [AKA "Kartoffelstampfer"] says:
    @j2

    For decades I was an IT contractor working with teams of developers from around the world. I have worked with Americans, Germans, French, Italians, Brits, Scottish, Irish, Australians, Finns and even Nigerians.

    My favorite IT project team members were Australian and Finnish. Yes, the Finns could drink like the Irish, but they were also great programmers and loads of fun to work with, while remaining humble and helpful. I hardly doubt that they drink a lot in the cold winters, up in Alaska they call winter “the drinking season”. I don’t care what species of Humans we are talking about, months on end without sunshine will take its toll. Besides that, we know that ZOG has been pushing alcohol for centuries on whites in general and Slavs in specific. If Finland managed to free itself from ZOG and a truly representative government was concerned for the welfare of the people, things would be far different not only in Finland but across the entire west.

    Finlandization was the term given to Finlands subservience to Jewish Communism, and basically Finland became a ZOG slave state for 45 years. To try to claim that now, after decades of semitic rape, that Finland could profit from the blood of jew-sent foreign invaders is, well, pretty fucking cucky.

  61. Anonymous[285] • Disclaimer says:

    The genetic separation and uniqueness of many peoples, especially the Western, is unlikely to survive this century. There will of course still be White Americans, indigenous English, French, Finns, and so on, but, barring a political revolution, they will gradually lose their sovereignty and everything is going to get very muddled indeed over time.

    The whites will gradually lose their sovereignty until the point of no return. Then they’ll be extinguished suddenly (a.k.a. non-gradually).

    I wish people would stop propagating this naive view that we’d be allowed to go gentle into that good night. Open your fucking eyes. Our genocide will get more forced and more violent as we grow weaker.

    If we allow it.

  62. Iris says:
    @j2

    Great comment, J2; admirable Finnish wisdom, modesty and sense of humour…

    • Replies: @j2
  63. Logan says:

    communities of people living on islands such as Sardinia in Italy, Crete in Greece or the Samoan Islands in the South Pacific

    #3, absolutely.

    The other two, not so much. The islands of the Med have been the opposite of isolated.

  64. Logan says:
    @Anne Lid

    I was on a group trip 50 years ago, at the age of 12, with a stunning young woman with very white skin, black hair and very deep blue eyes.

    She was half Swedish and half Greek. I can still remember her effect on me.

  65. Interesting details of how Finns got their slightly Eastern look!
    However, regardless of the details, people become more Eastern-looking as you move across Northern Eurasia from east to west. There is even a pocket of very Eastern-looking people a few hundred miles S.E. of Moscow. And this video made by the city police in Yakutsk, Russia, shows you how people look there.
    https://twitter.com/mvd_official/status/1061945224174489602 Russia: Yakutsk police – twerk video (funny!)

    • Replies: @Professional Stranger
  66. Logan says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Total misunderstanding of the issue.

    It assumes that “Asian” has always meant what we now think of as “East Asian.”

    In fact the Finnic and various other tribes originated in NE Asia and moved or were pushed into what is now Europe.

    That they have East Asian ancestry or origin does not even begin to imply much relationship with the present inhabitants of those areas.

    • Replies: @PB96
  67. @Professional Stranger

    CORRECTION: “people become more Eastern-looking as you move across Northern Eurasia from WEST to EAST.”

  68. If you look close enough, you will see a little bit of Jap in all the babes… of course, you shouldn’t kick them out of the bed!

    • Agree: Beefcake the Mighty
  69. GMC says:

    Research what you want – Europe is toast. 40 years ago each country was unique and personal. It was a wonderful Continent to travel in. Today, because of the NWO quest and the Jews running the governments, that have been pushing refugees and immigrants around, everything looks like a Heintz 57 monkey f…Send all these ME and Africans to Israel and Saudi Arabia. America would be 65% european and a population of 240 million , had the Jews not pushed/ bought off their Open, Unlimited immigration/ Refugee laws . The Tribe that killed JFK killed American Society – too.

  70. onebornfree says: • Website

    “A unique beauty: Miss Finland 2018 contestants”

    Of the 10 contestants pictured, there are 2 brunettes and 8 “blondes”.

    Judging by eyebrow color all of the 8 “blondes” are mere “bottle blondes”. How “unique” 🙂

    And so it goes…..

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Replies: @j2
    , @Sam Coulton
  71. onebornfree says: • Website

    ” The Uniqueness of the Finnish Race”

    Reality Fact: this just in: there are no unique races. None. Never have been, never will be.

    This uniqueness of race “idea” is just another assumption/facet of the statist, collectivist, socialist/communist/fascist mind-[or lack of] set B.S. writ large, nothing more, nothing less. It may very well be the most important false assumption of these ideologies [ which are all all just minor variations on the grand theme of “government knows best”].

    What’s even worse, most “intelligent” people [ ie useful idiots] appear to actually believe this false assumption to be true, which makes it the primary source of most of the problems in the world, past and present, as far as I can see.

    Reality Fact: Only the individual is unique – each individual is entirely unique [beliefs,values, life experience to date, taste/preferences etc etc ] regardless of supposed race.

    Reality Fact: Even most, otherwise intelligent people are in total denial of the reality of the inevitable uniqueness of the individual, and will therefor completely avoid the issue when promoting their latest, grand,”can’t fail” , “one size fits all” plan for all of humanity.

    Will the “intelligentsia” [ let alone the masses] ever come to their senses regarding this issue?

    “Stupid is as stupid does”, so I sincerely doubt it 🙁

    And so it goes…..

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @j2
    , @Anounder
  72. @M Krauthammar

    M Krauthamma– Your must be the latest riff (iteration) of Marc Zuckerburg from over at AMREN.

  73. @Anatoly Karlin

    Life expectancy on the Greek island of Ikaria is almost a decade longer than in Greece proper for as yet unexplained reasons.

    Anatoly,
    My people (ostensibly Greeks) came from Samos. Island off Turkey, but somehow owned by Greece. Just a rock in the Med, mountainous, olives and lemons on top, a few dates and grape leaves and lamb at the bottom, lots of fish in the sea, of course. They are unto themselves, have few influences outside the church, they are without the magic of diversity and modern sources of RFI. Maybe by now they have 3G, but mostly it’s all landlines. The Eurozone and Greece’s debt mean nothing to these folks. Modern life is what kills us.

    Wanna know how isolated they were when the Turks weren’t trying to chase them off? When the Germans came aboard the island, the hill folks (my people) would hide the beautiful girls and only send the ugliest girl in the village (a third or fourth cousin of mine, turns out) Greer, for supplies, mail from the mainland and whatnot. The ugliest girls from each family were the only ones safe from rape, so they went, even ahead of the men. Wars come and go, Samos remains the same, barely touched to this day. Fish, lemons, olives, that’s how you stay alive, I guess.

    Which really makes the notion of greater life expectancy quite explainable if you look at families and outcomes, those who stayed and who came to the U.S. to modern life. I can add that the great grand-folks, great uncles and cousins back on Samos lived to be three figures, all of em. Those first generation folks who came here in the 1900-1950 period lived to be late eighties to 95ish, my own grandmother to 103. Her daughters made it to 98 and my Ma to 89, but she was a smoker. In our family, the oldest is 72, with cancer, two of the brothers are gone, one a head injury, another of cancer at age 39. Same for the Greek cousins. They came here and the third generation has all sorts of troubles they never heard of in Samos. On my Dad’s side, same same, his older relatives all lived to be late-90s. He made it to 83, his sons, again, the oldest is 72 and not likely to see many more (firefighter). Me? All I did was five years aboard a carrier working on ejection seats and breathing asbestos, smoke $1.50/carton cigarettes and work in the phone bizz for 30 years, so my cancer prospects are as good as any, too. I figured, with the flight decks, then the motorcycles, an electrocution, car crashes, something would kill me long before cancer. Each generation, a shorter lifespan.

    Modern, First-World life kills. No question about it. Modern life kills us. In just my own family, in a couple or three generations one third of our family’s life span is toast, the mean of the U.S. at best. All you have to do is study families across generations.

    • Agree: Simpleguest
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  74. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:

    The elites of Suomi /Finland ( 5 million people ) are mostly swedish ( about 6 % of the Finland population ) .

    Officially Finland / Suomi is bilingual finnish/swedish . Finland has always been , as well as Estonia, a province either of Sweden , or of Russia , and Estonia of Germany too .

    The most beautiful historic buildings in Helsinförs / Helsinki , and in Tallin/ Revel , are the russian orthodox Cathedrals

    Finnish language , finish-estonian if you want , is a marginal language in the world . The finns have to learn swedish , russian , english , german to comunicate with the world .

    Finland is oversold by the United Nations as an example of everything , as an example for globalization .

  75. Finland , Finland , Finland
    The country where I want to be
    Pony trekking or camping or just watch T.V.
    Finland , Finland , Finland
    It’s the country for me

    You’re so near to Russia
    so far away from Japan
    Quite a long way from Cairo
    lots of miles from Vietnam

  76. Republic says:

    https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2019/03/20/ed-dutton-with-an-evolutionary-perspective-on-the-rape-of-finland

    This is the book review of Dr. Dutton’s book:

    The Silent Rape Epidemic: How the Finns Were Groomed to Love Their Abusers

    Finns enjoy an unusually high-trust society. Longtime British resident Ed Dutton describes unmanned roadside vegetable stands that operate on the honor system, with customers reliably leaving the correct price for what they take. Travelers need not purchase a ticket before boarding a train; everyone happily pays the conductor as he comes through. At least until recently, girls in outlying villages could safely hitchhike into larger towns on Saturday nights

    However due to many factors, including the fact that many local mass media being controlled in whole or in part,by Jewish interests, Finland began in 2015 to importing a large number of refugees from various African, Middle Eastern and Asian areas.

    This has led to a rape epidemic as described in Dutton’s book

  77. Anonymous[239] • Disclaimer says:
    @onebornfree

    Stop posting, moron.

    • Agree: Cowboy
    • Replies: @onebornfree
  78. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:

    Very unique the finns . Some data about the southern finns or the estonians .

    Regarding the south finns of Estonia , regarding Estonia , the ” country ” has only 1,300.000 inhabitants of which 30% are russians , but russian language is discriminated against , it is denied cooficial status in Estonia

    . Russians are discriminated against by Estonia and are refused estonian citizenship , This is the EU nowadays . And the EU subsidizes Estonia with a net sum of 500 millon euros /year .

    Russia , industrialized rural Estonia . In 1990 soviet Estonia had a maximun of 1,600.000 inhabitants , now it has 1,300,000 and going down . Before they were financed by Russia , now by the EU . Bad bussiness for the EU .

    Very unique people , really unique .

  79. This is a short term problem considering the refugee policy

  80. Hu Mi Yu says:

    ! Finns were on the German side in the WWII.

    No. For the Finns it was all about Russia. They fought Russians the whole time. The Molotov-Ribbentrop pact assigned Finland to the Russian sphere. After the Soviets took over the other Baltic states, Soviet intentions were clear. Finland invaded Russia and held a front near Lenigrad/St. Petersburg. Then Germany changed sides and invaded Russia. For a period of time they provided some aid to the Finns. To make peace with the Soviets, Finns were required to expel or capture Germans, which they did in short order. The Soviets took a big bite out of Finland, but it retained its independence.

  81. @GeeBee

    “Whatever happens through you happens to you” seems to be an apt description of what is occurring in several western countries now.The ongoing destruction of many non-white countries resulting in largescale flight of millions of resentful(many of them hate-filled for obvious reasons) to the very same aggressor countries is PERFECT KARMA.

    Strangely,no public outrage or resistance against these aggressions at least on the anti-vietnam war scale has so far occurred. If this does not happen soon then surely the above cycle will continue,god forbid. In such a scenario,I pity the white American and Europeans for they are largely decent peoples.

  82. EdNels says:
    @M Krauthammar

    One thing about this article is that he launches way ahead to the great beauty of some of the population, (like any country…) but what about the ugly ones?

    What about the sickness of these beauty contests in the first place, like… ‘’ oh look at me, aren’t I the prettiest of all?’’? What about the crass exploitation by not so pretty assholes that feed off that kind of obsession… including jack ass T’rump, who looks like the face of the mummy from the Schleswig peat bog, what a poor viking throwback IE. he turned out!

    I wish all these beauties mate with an pure African man.

    Well from Phy Anth 101: ‘’African Negroid is the most polymorphic of the races.’’ So if you want to specify a particular tribe or something, there’s quite a diversity among the African natives, enough that they have wider differences with each other… than with the closely related middle eastern types of negroes like Sephardim. Much less the sometime blue eyed and often Red-blond Ashkenazis of the Pale with their Mongol admixes etc.

    As a person of half Jewish ancestry,

    ‘’Only half,’’ is too much… by half if your’e a Mamser! But then, sometimes the other half predominates and you get a cross from a dokshund body with oversize shepherd head etc. Or even a ugly English intellectual’s scrawny body with a Hollywood starlet’s doofus mentality.

    PS: you picked a good name… The face on that scarecrow, it’s all figured out though, it’s part of the entertainment!

    • Replies: @Sam Coulton
  83. j2 says:
    @Iris

    Iris, thank you for your kind comments. Your own comments are always excellent.

  84. You have to consider that the brain is the central location of conscious awareness and the self. From this you have to think that all the sensory organs of the head are extensions of the brain. And then you cannot escape perceiving that the entire body itself is, in this sense, a physical extension of the mind, for, if the brain is the person, the mind is the work of his brain. Of course, if what the individual thinks of as his mind is not resident in the individual, then that is a different matter, but what irrefutable evidence is there for this? To resume the previous points, since there is no such irrefutable evidence that I know of, it must be the case, then, that all of the cultural aspects of a peoples can only derive from the mass total collective of the physical –and other sorts of– configurations of their central nervous systems, and a significant element of the unique character of genetic groups is what determines the nature of their central nervous systems, so that, as an end result, a civilization is the result of the inherited characteristics of a peoples’ –or group of diverse peoples’– central nervous systems, much of which is essentially inherited. Because of this it can only be true that each identifiably different culture must be a product as consistent with the group as any of the group’s identifiable physical characteristics –if we care to know them, which we should– and these must also potentially inform us of other aspects as well, some of which might be malicious or antagonistic and therefore concealed, of which we may very necessarily need to be aware. I hope this is correct, linguistically. I expect it is most likely correct logically.

  85. JMcG says:
    @j2

    Fascinating information. Thank you.

  86. JMcG says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    I’m sure you meant they gave the Soviets hell. They sort of half-heartedly chased the Germans into Norway at the end of the war.

  87. Race is a valid concept.

  88. Sean says:
    @obwandiyag

    Start at 17:43 if it doesn’t.

    Domestication is a different issue. There are two schools of thought, because some people think the odd coat colours were what ancient animal breeders were trying to get (they just liked ’em) and the extreme domestication was a side effect.

    Finns are not aggressive compared to Danes.

    Konrad Lorenz wrote a lot about intraspecific competition and the degeneration that resulted.

    When I think of of outstanding Finns I think of stocky farmers, sturdy strongmen and fearless snipers slaughtering Russians over open sights. Among such people a little extra intellect would go a long way. You could marry well and have a big family and so on. What I was referring to with the mutation found in clever dogs a people in a certain area of Finland was not domestication, but evidence for a mutation getting in on the ground floor of a market economy and spreading through an area of Finland where it was taking off.

    The ancestry of Finns may have something to do with their characteristics.

    • Replies: @j2
    , @obwandiyag
    , @PB96
  89. j2 says:
    @onebornfree

    “Reality Fact: this just in: there are no unique races. None. Never have been, never will be.”

    There are dog races. Most of these races were bred rather recently, but let us take three ancient races that were not so much bred, they were used for some purpose by the people who had these dogs.
    1) The pharaoh dog of Malta, already seen in Egyptian hieroglyphs, used for hunting gazelles
    2) Chow chow, from China, thousands of years old, used for scaring evil spirits and also eaten
    3) Finnish spitz, an ancient Northern dog, prehistoric, barks animals to trees, a hunting dog

    Every dog in every race is unique in appearance and in personality, but dogs of the same race are similar to some extent. And they are good for something and not so good for something else. You do not scare Chinese evil spirits with a dog looking like the pharaoh dog, for instance, and the Finnish spitz is a really cute dog, not scaring spirits for sure.

    We call these dog races. They are in a race classification. The people, who had these dogs, Maltese, Chinese and Finns also look somewhat different and have somewhat different average personalities, though each human is as much an individual as each dog.

    So, why do we call those dogs races but those humans are not called races? Wait, I know. It is because Germans gassed 6 million Jews, but Germans did not gas six million Jewish dogs. That must be the answer. Fine, I accept it, sounds scientific.

    • Replies: @Anounder
  90. Mr. Hack says:

    present-day populations from north-eastern Europe such as Saami, Russians, Mordovians, Chuvash, Estonians, Hungarians, and Finns: they carry additional ancestry seen as increased allele sharing with modern East Asian populations.

    The small population of people who first settled this part of the world – combined with relatively little immigration that would add variation to the gene pool – has pushed important genetic variants that first existed in the founding population to expand and become much more common than they would be elsewhere.

    Except in largely populated Russia where Finns and Slavs have mixed abundantly to produce the Russian ethnos. This is where you’ll find the answers to your questions.

  91. j2 says:
    @onebornfree

    “Judging by eyebrow color all of the 8 “blondes” are mere “bottle blondes”. How “unique””

    The natural colors of those girls is almost the same, it is darker than what they make it, but it is blonde. It may not be obvious from those pictures, but young Finnish girls do look quite similar, more similar than girls in most countries. It is because they are genetically more similar. I do not think it is any great advantage to have a small genetic pool. It has some positive aspects, but also negative. I think the gene pool could be enlarged somewhat without negative effects. But immigrants should assimilate, intermarry and adopt the local culture and ways of the host, and there should not be too many of them. Otherwise the result is a minority, which practically always leads to problems. Finland can take some immigrants, but not from such people who burn alive a girlfriend if she desires to quit the relation. But if it is normal people, say Europeans, or non-Europeans but still normally behaving, I do not doubt that the children from an intermarriage are quite as good as any.

  92. j2 says:
    @Sean

    One plot for Russians does not do justice to the genetic variation in Russia. See the following plot:

    Western Russians resemble in admixture White Russians and Ukrainians. Some Russian subgroups resemble Finns, but more carefully analyzing it, they are not so close.

    • Replies: @Sean
  93. I’m not convinced that the Finns and Sami are related to East Asians, or at least modern East Asians. To the extent they do have epicanthic folds, I believe that it’s been proven that it was a completely different evolutionary mechanism from that of the Mongoloids. I also think that blond hair likely originated with the Finns and other Uralic peoples, as the highest concentration of blond hair is centered around the Gulf of Finland. This is in contrast to the popular notion that blondness originated with the Aryans/Steppe invaders. Regarding the appearance of the early Indo-European steppe invaders, I think the movie “Highlander” had it correct with Clancy Brown’s tall dark-haired “Kurgan”. Robert E Howard was also on target with his dark-haired, somewhat swarthy Conan the Cimmerian.

    • Replies: @j2
    , @Sean
    , @Anonymous
  94. @Sean

    You bozos with your “graphs.” Otherwise known as damned lies. Or just lies.

    And you are wrong about spots. Dead wrong. Wrong period.

    • Replies: @Anon
  95. j2 says:
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    “I’m not convinced that the Finns and Sami are related to East Asians, or at least modern East Asians. ”

    The East Asian mixture is only 5-15% in Finns, Saami have a bit more Siberian admixture. It is East Asian in the sense that the Y-DNA haplogroup N (59% in Finnish men) originated North of the Korean peninsula, and also Comb Ceramics, closely associated with Fenno-Ugrian people, originates from this same area. Thus, we can deduce that people with this Y-DNA haplogroup and Comb Ceramic culture mover to the Baltic area around 4000 BC. Finns, as they are today known, moved there around 2500 BC, but before them there already were Fenno-Ugrian people, most probably Saami, or related to Saami. As foe genetic closeness with Finns and East Asians, naturally they are very far from each other. Finns are genetically European people, though European outsiders.

    ” To the extent they do have epicanthic folds”

    Finns do not have them, nor to any European fenno-ugrian people. The reason why Europeans think Finns have them is that the cheek bone is very high (not wide and not prominent like in East Asians, only high like in Gro Magnon). The bone is very close to the lower lid and this makes the eye small and you usually cannot see the lower eye lid, so it may look like something covers it, but it is not epicanthic fold.

    “blond hair likely originated with the Finns and other Uralic peoples”

    Eastern Hunter Gatherers had the gene for blond hair color. Though Sean’s plot gives the impression that many peoples (among them Finns) do not have EHG admixture, this is false: all peoples, who have Yamnaya admixture have EHG admixture. Thus, Finns had originally the blond hair color gene, but also Indo-Europeans had it.

    “tall dark-haired “Kurgan””

    The people building kurgans were the ancestors of Slavs (Y-DNA R1a). They are not that swarthy.

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @Veritas X-
  96. Sean says:
    @j2

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-07483-5

    These results suggest that the geographic range of the Saami extended further south in the past, and points to a genetic shift at least in the western Finnish region since the Iron Age. The findings are in concordance with the noted linguistic shift from Saami languages to early Finnish. Further ancient DNA from Finland is needed in order to conclude, to what extent these signals of migration and admixture are representative of Finland as a whole.

  97. Sean says:
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    This is in contrast to the popular notion that blondness originated with the Aryans/Steppe invaders.

    Assuming the Yamnaya had been slaughtering all the men from the Danube to Scandinavia and taking only the finest girls from the conquered peoples as wives for generation after generation. Given that blonde hair is attractive to men, the Yamnaya would have went from dark hair to blond over the generations and be quite blond by the time their rolling wave of conquest reached the Baltic. So it isn’t either, or.

  98. buckwheat says:

    The Finn’s have always been special since they kicked Russian commie ass in the Winter War in 39.

  99. Kerala says: • Website

    Genetics,the human tribes,migrations,but,most important,origins. Four hundred centuries ago.Hunter/gatherers primitives or a worldwide evolved civilization?FYI:http://www.mcremo.com FYI:https://ajitvadakayil.blogspot.com/?m=1 😉

  100. Swedes are the most gorgeous race. Think Ann Margaret, Candice Bergen in their prime, and now Rebecca Ferguson. It’s too bad they’re all rushing off to miscegenate thanks to leftist retardation.

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Republic
  101. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    Anonymous[239] • Disclaimer says: “Stop posting, moron.”

    Sadly, an all too predictable response from an automaton who is [necessarily] in complete denial of the reality of their own inherent, unchangeable, uniqueness [ and therefor, by extension, the unchangeable uniqueness of every other individual in this world].

    onebornfree had previously asked: “Will the “intelligentsia” [ let alone the masses] ever come to their senses regarding this issue? “Stupid is as stupid does”, so I sincerely doubt it 🙁 “

    Thanks for the confirmation.

    “Regards”, onebornfree

    • Replies: @Anounder
  102. Wally says:
    @Tired of Not Winning

    Speaking of Swedes:

    Germans Display ‘F*ck You Greta’ Bumper Stickers to Protest Being Lectured About [alleged] Global Warming

    https://summit.news/2019/07/03/germans-display-fck-you-greta-bumper-stickers-to-protest-being-lectured-about-global-warming/

  103. Sean says:
    @j2

    Finnish or Williams syndrome?

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4326252/
    Williams syndrome (WS) offers an exciting model for social neuroscience because its genetic basis is well-defined, and the unique phenotype reflects dimensions of prosocial behaviors. WS is associated with a strong drive to approach strangers, a gregarious personality, heightened social engagement yet difficult peer interactions, high non-social anxiety, unusual bias toward positive affect, and diminished sensitivity to fear.

    • Replies: @j2
  104. Wally says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Remember, j2 also claims millions of Jews were “holocausted” …. without a shred of proof.

    • Replies: @j2
    , @Beefcake the Mighty
  105. Sean says:
    @j2

    Most Yamnaya only had derived skin lightening allele on SLC24A5, which is admittedly the big one for skin lightening, but alone it would make them very definitely swarthy by modern European standards. Modern Europeans have derived skin lightening alleles at SLC45A2 and SLC24A5. Both of these were present in the Motala grouplet of Scandinavia thousands of years before the Yamanaya showed up in Europe, but people with both and what we would call white skin were unusual.

    You need to get away from this anti adaptationalist, ancestry based, turtles all the way down mindset, and begin thinking in terms of changes to the environment causing different genes to be especially selected. For example the women the Yamaya took as wives needed to inhibit aggression and elicit care and provisioning. Uniformly white skin could spread as a result.

    • Replies: @Sam Coulton
  106. Skeptikal says:
    @Jim Christian

    I spent two weeks on Samos way back in the seventies—maybe 1971.
    Beautiful island.
    We hiked up to the top of the mountain there (or perhaps it was a subpeak), can’t recall the name—I think it is the highest in the Aegean–then down via a different track, following white crosses painted on stones and pine tree trunks, to a small monastery midway down the mountain with a wonderful garden enclosed in a white stucco wall all around. I think the monastery was possibly a place of retreat. Perhaps it wasn’t even really a monastery but some other kind of place. We four (two boys, two girls) arrived at the entry and were motioned to sit down at a sort of refectory table where others were sitting, and were served sandwiches that consisted of fried rounds of potato on bread. I shall never forget the garden. It contained a little bit of everything: fruit trees, flowers, herbs, some animals in cages. A tiny paradise.

  107. @Wally

    Everyone knows that the Iraqi Climate-Change-Deniers took Greta’s Kuweiti baby-siblings out of incubators and threw them on the floor.

  108. @j2

    I just showed my wife your comment.
    “Hon säger det är sakligt skrivet”/ She says it’s fact based.i.e. totally acceptable.
    We use Swedish because We live in Sweden for the past 30+ years after living in Helsinki during the 1980’s.
    Regardless, You are to be commended for steering the ‘discussion’ here in a realistic direction j2.
    My wife, a Finn & Lapp is like Finns in general.
    i.e. Finns are reserved and never give anyone a complement unless it is truly earned.
    🙂 & 😉
    As a sidenote, I’d like to share some ‘unknown’ facts concerning modern Finland History.
    Before WWII and the Winter-War, the Finns asked for an alliance with the UK.
    Churchill refused and, literally ‘feed the Finns to the dog’s i.e. Soviets.
    I’ll never forget my first few years in Finland in the early 1980’s.
    Especially, all of the small towns & village’s graveyards, and, the extremely out-of-proportion WWII monuments & graves of fallen soldiers. ALOT of them! Sons & Fathers, Brothers…
    Yes. Tears come to my eyes.
    What a price to pay for their ‘freedom’.
    However, little known is the Finns had a kill/casualty ratio versus Soviets of 30-1 to 50-1 depending on which sources one finds.
    That’s right.
    The Finns were feared.
    They are still, “tuff-as-nails”.
    Never underestimate them.
    Regards X-

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
    , @j2
  109. Republic says:
    @Tired of Not Winning

    Assange called Sweden the Saudi Arabia of Feminism

    A correct statement

  110. @Sean

    Sean, the Yamnaya were from eastern europe (Ukraine’s pontic steppe). Motala SHG got their light pigmentation (including blond hair) from EHG on the same steppe region Yamnaya came from. Yamnaya were more darkly pigmented because they had admixture from Caucasus Hunter Gatherers, while their predecessors from Khvalynsk and Samara were light pigmented like the rest of the EHG. There is no evidence that Yamnaya “took light women” and in fact the later Indo European cultures that actually have light pigmentation SNPs (such as Corded Ware) genuinely lack Yamnaya Y-DNA haplogroups (R1b), having been supplanted by baltic R1a, indicating these featues spread via males.

    • Replies: @Sean
  111. @onebornfree

    In addition to this, most of them have the facial features of gargoyles.

    Since when did a “race” get defined by its females, anyway? Traditionally a race is defined by its males. Open any anthropology textbook (such as Coon’s “The Races of Europe”) and you will see mostly male faces.

    This is cringeworthy. I don’t ever want to see a female exemplar of a race, much less exclusively females.

  112. tamo says:
    @anonymous

    Your girlfriend ? LOL !!! She doesn’t particularly look East Asian to me.

  113. @EdNels

    Well from Phy Anth 101: ‘’African Negroid is the most polymorphic of the races.’’ So if you want to specify a particular tribe or something, there’s quite a diversity among the African natives

    Huh? Nobody ever said that, it’s south African San people who have the highest genetic diversity, not “Negroids”. And that says nothing about physical diversity. The San aren’t Negroid, but Capoid.

  114. Maybe it’s my low IQ. But it stands to reason that a small country that has maintained a definitive practice of narrow breeding within their boundaries would look generally the same, However, that would not make them more human.

    The dynamics here is small country with insular almost everything. That cannot really provide many answers if any to the issues regarding the US a large country with little or no globalist expansionist ambitions.

    https://www.ifitweremyhome.com/compare/US/FI

    Beautiful country and beautiful people. Certainly if one is seeking quiet, solace and homegenous white skin, it is certainly one location that suits. Why it is an article of interest to US citizens is hard to understand. The early arrivals to these shores were not all white. They were aggressive bounders with global ambitions who from their earliest days inter-marred and or bred with whites and nonwhites alike, with or without consent. Hardly a culture reflective refined Finnish social and personal acumen or goals.

    http://www.unz.com/gdurocher/the-uniqueness-of-the-finnish-race/#respond

    but it won’t extend one’s life by much.

  115. Sean says:
    @Sam Coulton

    I was talking about skin colour and the fact is that Finns do not have the lightest skin in Europe. Neither do the populations with even more EHG ancestry that Finns.

    There is no evidence that Yamnaya “took light women”

    There is no evidence of the dark women the Yamnaya took, because those women did not get took care of. That is, they did not elicit care and provisioning (as a baby’s light skin does). Think Stoya, an ethereal, vulnerable look. All that was needed for light skin types to sweep across Europe is the dark women’s genes were not passed on.

    https://www.brownpundits.com/2019/05/10/lord-indra-was-a-tan-man/
    The evidence is starting to come together for me that several populations of Europeans whose present genetic character overall were assembled during the Bronze Age simultaneously and in parallel underwent depigmentation.

    The genes for white skin swept to fixation in Bronze age Europe, while evil bastard killer Yamnaya were slaughtering their way from the Danube to the Baltic. Yet

    It is clear from this that Bronze Age Indo-Europeans, including the Sintastha, did not have the pigmentation profile of Northern Europeans today.

    What did the Indo-Aryans look like? I didn’t run the HIrisPlex, but I’m 95% sure that Winston Churchill would have called them “wogs.”

    No recipe for mixing EHG into other populations can explain the skin colour of modern Europeans. One certainly cannot explain the sudden dearth of genes for swarthiness in the Bronze age by the reproductive success of the Indo Europeans, but the reproductive choices they made could have had a genetic effect

    http://journals.socantscot.org/index.php/psas/article/view/10106/10071
    ‘Ava’ is a real Bell Beaker woman from 4,250 years ago found in Scotland (Stoya is half Scottish ) reconstructed. Left is what they assumed she would look like, right is what her DNA showed she actually did look like.

    Imagine you are a member of a Yamnaya boy band and after a decade of murder and rape have decided to settle down. Pick one.

    • Troll: Sam Coulton
  116. East finns are genetically and phenotypically quite different from west-finns too.

  117. @Veritas X-

    The Finns were the second-best soldiers of the war, no question.

    • Replies: @Cowboy
  118. @Sean

    Stoya is half Yugoslavian, if you are referring to the porn star who claimed to be raped. On a porn set no less.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  119. j2 says:
    @Sean

    Not Finnish facial features, not Finnish personality description. Must be the Williams syndrome.

    • Replies: @Sean
  120. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wally

    Agree , nordics are always lecturing mankind on anythinng , those bunch of moron peripheric schizoids think they are the center of the world .

    Agree with the germans , fuck you Greta , fuck you , assfaced swede !

  121. SOCRATES says: • Website
    @BCB232

    Some RACES just look more beautiful than others

  122. Anonymous[239] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    Robert E Howard was also on target with his dark-haired, somewhat swarthy Conan the Cimmerian

    Not swarthy but bronzed from the sun and the eyes were blue.

  123. Cowboy [AKA "Kartoffelstampfer"] says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    The Finns were the second-best soldiers of the war

    Their greatest “patriot”, von Mannerheim, was a German who barely spoke Finnish. ‘Nuff said.

    Even worse, the double crossing Finn’s stabbed their former allies in the back in September 1944, the same allies who had saved them from defeat during the Winter War. This was after the Finns had not only failed to timely enter operation Barbarossa, which was highly reminiscent of Stalin’s betrayal in Poland in September 1939, they had also failed to cut off the Leningrad/Murmansk railroad. This failure is what ultimately would lead to the defeat of Germany and the near ZOG genocide of the Finns.

    But what irks me most is how Finn’s (like the Poles, Czechs, Yugos, etc) blamed Germany for the savagery and scorched earth policies of the communist terrorist partisans operating behind the lines in Lapland. All those horrors inflicted on Finnish civilians (like the ones inflicted on Poles, Czechs, etc) were precisely what millions of honorable German soldiers were fighting and dying for to prevent. Germany had had a taste of taste of slavery from 1918-33. They knew what jewish communists had done in Spain in 1936 and Russia in 1917.

    Jews, just as with the holohoax, have managed to twist their own Talmudic behavior and create a sword to wield against Germany. This is merely par for the zionist golf course. But it is the Finns ( and Poles, Czech, etc) who continue to cover for the Talmudic communists and blame the Germans for the consequences of jewish behavior who really deserve our scorn.

    • Replies: @j2
    , @Beefcake the Mighty
  124. j2 says:
    @Wally

    “Remember, j2 also claims millions of Jews were “holocausted” …. without a shred of proof.”

    OK Wally, I know you have some agenda of your own. But let us calculate a lower bound to how many Jews died in the WWII.
    1) German POW camps in Northern Finland had the death ratio 24.5%. It was better than what Finnish POW camps had, 29.5%, so nothing to blame in this death ratio. People die in POW camps.
    2) Germans transported 4 million Jews from the West and West Poland and got 1 million to their hands after the attack to the Soviet Union in 1941. That is 5 million Jews. If out of them died 25%, that is 1.25 million deaths.
    3) The Soviet Union evacuated about 2.5 million Jews. Of them died about 0.85 million in Soviet camps (my estimate just based on a reasonable death ratio for Soviet camps, much better than on Soviet POW camps).
    4) In Romania in transports and camps died 160,000 Jews.
    Together these give the minimum death toll of 1.25+0.85+0.16=2.26 million. By a more precise calculation I get to 2.5 million. What in the world are you complaining in this?

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  125. j2 says:
    @Cowboy

    “Their greatest “patriot”, von Mannerheim, was a German who barely spoke Finnish. ‘Nuff said.”

    Mannerheim was a Swedish speaking Finnish nobleman. He did learn some Finnish after 1917. He went to military academy in Russia. He did speak German fluently, but had no connections to Germany.

    “Even worse, the double crossing Finn’s stabbed their former allies in the back in September 1944, the same allies who had saved them from defeat during the Winter War.”

    Germany did not help Finland in any way in the Winter War. Indeed, Hitler had given Stalin a free hand to attack Finland in the Molotov-Ribbentrop agreement’s secret addendum. But Germany did help Finland to stop the Soviet attack in 1944. Germans helped on the condition that Finland does not make a separate peace, but finally Finland had to apply for peace, German help was still not enough for a longer war and Germany was losing in other fronts. There was no other way for Finland than to make a peace. A year later Germany surrendered – because there was no other way for Germany. There are cases when there simply is no other way. It is stupid to say that one should have made differently when there was no other way left. In the peace agreement Finland had to promise to push Germans to Norway, which had to be done and was done. The one who stabbed German people to the back was Hitler, not Finns. He should not have started the war.

    “This was after the Finns had not only failed to timely enter operation Barbarossa, which was highly reminiscent of Stalin’s betrayal in Poland in September 1939,”

    Finland joined the attack two days after, when Soviet planes had bombed Finland (in order to prevent the accusation of being an attacker) and Hitler had announced that Finland is in the same front. Stalin, in Poland, waited until Germany had crushed Polish defenses.

    “they had also failed to cut off the Leningrad/Murmansk railroad. This failure is what ultimately would lead to the defeat of Germany and the near ZOG genocide of the Finns.”

    Finns cut the original Murmansk railroad, but Soviets made another railroad. Hitler personally forbid both Finns and Germans in Northern Finland from cutting this railroad, for higher goals. This always seemed strange to me, but I found it form a reliable history book of this war. However, the American help to Soviets along this railroad was not the major reason for the defeat of Germany. Germany was defeated by Hitler’s orders. Hitler should have continued the attack in Kursk, as Germans were winning it. Hitler should not have divided forces before the attack to Stalingrad. Finally, Hitler should not have started the war. Starting a war and losing it is not wise.

    “But what irks me most is how Finn’s (like the Poles, Czechs, Yugos, etc) blamed Germany for the savagery and scorched earth policies of the communist terrorist partisans operating behind the lines in Lapland.”

    There were no communist terrorists partisans operating in Lapland in 1944 when Germans burned Lapland.

    “All those horrors inflicted on Finnish civilians (like the ones inflicted on Poles, Czechs, etc) were precisely what millions of honorable German soldiers were fighting and dying for to prevent. Germany had had a taste of taste of slavery from 1918-33. They knew what jewish communists had done in Spain in 1936 and Russia in 1917.”

    This is true to some extent. Hitler fought Communists, though in Stalin’s time they were not any more all Jewish. But Hitler also transported Jews to East and had an agreement with Zionists, so he tried to create Israel. In the beginning Hitler wanted to restore Jews to Palestine and after the war those transported Jews were to be sent somewhere, the only place being Palestine. Thus, Hitler did not fight Zionists. He cooperated with Zionists and wanted to create Israel.

    “Jews, just as with the holohoax, have managed to twist their own Talmudic behavior and create a sword to wield against Germany. This is merely par for the zionist golf course.”

    So they have done.

    “But it is the Finns ( and Poles, Czech, etc) who continue to cover for the Talmudic communists and blame the Germans for the consequences of jewish behavior who really deserve our scorn.”

    Finns do not blame Germans. Some Finns sometimes mention the burning of Lapland if too eager neo-Nazis claim that Germans did not do anything bad during the war time (every country did something bad in that war), but that issue has long ago been forgotten. German soldiers behaved well in Finland during the war time and Finland got weapons from Germany in the continuation war. Finland and Germany were on the same side. So, you can focus on some other target than Finns. For Finns the war is over and forgotten. Finland did not ask for reparations for Lapland, it is over.

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @Cowboy
  126. j2 says:
    @Veritas X-

    “However, little known is the Finns had a kill/casualty ratio versus Soviets of 30-1 to 50-1 depending on which sources one finds.”

    In the Winter War the kill ratio was 1:5 on favor of Finns. In forces there was 1:3 advance of Soviets, 1:30 advance in air planes, 1:100 advance in tanks. About.

  127. Sean says:
    @j2

    Exactly, and Williams Syndrome has been seen as related to domestication. Finns as wolves in the shape of men.

    • Replies: @j2
  128. Anounder says:
    @onebornfree

    This is your brain on liberalism.

    Not that it matters. Your ilk are going to be bred out sooner or later since you refuse to control your women and breed.

  129. Anounder says:
    @onebornfree

    Go take a look at who’s reproducing in this world and ask yourself if history will side with you.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  130. Sean says:
    @j2

    Carroll Quigley, Tragedy And Hope A History Of The World In Our Time

    On October 14th the Soviet Union demanded that the Finnish frontier north of Leningrad be pushed back along the shore of the gulf so that the frontier would run westward from Lake Ladoga instead of southward as formerly. This would put the Linnish frontier about 50 miles from Leningrad, leaving Linland about half of the Karelian Isthmus. In addition, the Bolsheviks demanded a 30-year lease on the Finnish naval base at Hango at the entrance to the Gulf of Finland, a strip about 100 miles long and 10 miles wide in central Finland (where the Finnish frontier came closest to the railroad line between Leningrad and Russia’s ice-free port of Murmansk on the Arctic Sea), and a small area of about 25 square miles where the Finnish frontier reached the Arctic Ocean west of Murmansk. In return for these concessions Moscow offered a nonaggression pact, about 2,100 square miles of wooded area in central Finland, and permission to Finland to fortify the Aaland Islands between Finland and Sweden, something which had been forbidden since 1921.

    It is not yet clear why Finland rejected the Russian demands of October 1939. The Germans and Russians believed that it was done under British influence…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-British_plans_for_intervention_in_the_Winter_War

    During the early stages of World War II, the British and French Allies made a series of proposals to send troops to assist Finland against the Soviet Union in the Winter War, which started on 30 November 1939. The war was a consequence of the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, which put Finland into the Soviet sphere of influence. The plans involved the transit of British and French troops and equipment through neutral Norway and Sweden. The initial plans were abandoned due to Norway and Sweden declining transit through their land, fearing their countries would be drawn into the war. The Moscow Peace Treaty ended the war in March 1940, precluding the possibility of intervention.

    In 1939 Chamberlain wanted to have a declared but unfought war with Germany but an undeclared, but real war with the Soviet Union.

    Finland wanted to win back territory Stalin had taken from it, and they did so, but then stopped and refused to move on Leningrad. This was a misconceived strategy because unless Germany won the war and was grateful to Finland how could Finland hope to prosper. If they thought Germany was would win without them, then all the more reason they should have helped so as to be in a good position with Superpower Germany. Finland should have went all in or stayed out.


    Hitler should not have divided forces before the attack to Stalingrad.

    I think you mean Moscow. Against the advice of every military professional Hitler stopped Von Bock’s army group Centre for couple of months at Smolensk, while his tanks were hived off with Hoth’s sent north to support the drive on Leningrad , and Guderian’s were despatched to help Army Group South take Kiev.

    Finally, Hitler should not have started the war. Starting a war and losing it is not wise

    It was risky, but he had a better chance of winning–likely would have won had he driven straight for Moscow– than almost anyone realised. In Japan and Finland he had allies that could have guaranteed success by a coordinated attack. He should have tried harder and offered his allies more. Unfortunately, his charisma only worked on Germans.

    Do not forget that Germany agreed to an armistice to end WW1 on the basis of Wilson’s 14 points but then found territory being taken from Germany and sole guilt being attributed to them. I suppose that Germany just wanted to recover its position, but with Hitler they got a lot more than they had bargained for because for him it was take a chance at become a world superpower or resign oneself to an inevitable slow fade away for Germany. I don’t think he would have been surprised by trends like the one discussed in the following story.

    https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/157-lifestyle/13851-are-foreign-men-taking-finnish-women.html

    • Agree: Cowboy
    • Replies: @j2
  131. @Jeff Stryker

    What the hell does “half-Yugoslavian” mean?

  132. @Cowboy

    The Finns did the best they could in a very difficult situation and at the end of the day, the Finnish people were spared the horrors of Bolshevism.

  133. @j2

    On #2, how do you get 4M? The Germans deported about 1.2M from Western Europe, and there were 1.8M in the part of Poland they occupied, so 3M, no?

    • Replies: @j2
  134. Anounder says:
    @j2

    The atomized “individual” is far more of a social construct than “the collective” (itself a meme peddled by a childless Jew woman), seeing as how other mammals like whales and chimps operate within communities of their own. Societies like the Yanomami as found by Napoleon Chagnon also don’t have memes of the “individual”, being not atomized or White men. Once villages grew large enough in size they ended up as Chagnon says here:

    There were yet other “styles” of leadership that seemed to vary by village size: The larger the village, the more severe and draconic leadership seemed to be because kinship and marriage ties were not able to provide the kind of cohesion that held large groups together—and large groups were able to survive longer in a milieu of chronic warfare. Möawä’s style of leadership hints at what tribesmen had to do to take the next step toward political complexity: Kinship organization had to be replaced by political institutions such as formal chiefs who wielded authority that was not based on kinship alone. And there were renowned shamans like Dedeheiwä. His spiritual influence and knowledge spilled over into other social arenas: Dedeheiwä also enjoyed considerable political influence in his village and in the larger geographical region. Interestingly, many Yanomamö headmen are also adept shamans and I can easily imagine situations where the political authority of headmen would be bolstered by “spiritual” authority, a pattern that is frequently found in early “chiefdoms” and “pristine states.”

    See also:

    [MORE]

    http://quillette.com/2018/02/24/behavioral-ecology-male-violence/

    https://traditionsofconflict.com/blog/2019/7/5/eternal-subjugation

    Anyway, while one could say how many races there are is a social construct denying that there are hereditary differences between the populations in Europe and Africa that impact hair texture, eye color, skin color, and yes behavior, etc. is denial. There wouldn’t be health problems and other signs of dysfunction in mixed-race children (let alone in couples considering divorce and domestic violence stats) combined with how breeding with a 3rd cousin is a higher option than breeding with Kunta Kinte otherwise:

    https://archive.fo/LRe05#selection-2333.91-2335.44

    https://archive.fo/1Bhvi#selection-5552.0-5552.1

    https://www.washington.edu/news/2016/08/17/study-finds-bias-disgust-toward-mixed-race-couples/

    http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/series/sr_23/sr23_022.pdf

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/019188699190057I

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/25/three-quarters-of-whites-dont-have-any-non-white-friends/

    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/12/08/many-u-s-congregations-are-still-racially-segregated-but-things-are-changing-2/

    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-7687.2012.01138.x/abstract

    https://phys.org/news/2017-04-infants-racial-bias-members.html

    http://archive.is/fYBbE#selection-1495.59-1495.140

    http://sci-hub.tw/10.1177/0886260509354510

    http://sci-hub.tw/10.2105/ajph.2013.301565

    http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2011/01/06/1015316108

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1448064/

    http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1993074,00.html

    https://jech.bmj.com/content/70/12/1251.full

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15994621

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/02/080207140855.htm

    http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-08/uoc–baa081108.php

    http://www.msu.edu/~renn/RHE-_mixed_race.pdf

    http://m.phys.org/_news162659550.html

  135. Cowboy [AKA "Kartoffelstampfer"] says:
    @j2

    Mannerheim was a Swedish speaking Finnish nobleman.

    The Mannerheims, originally from Germany, became Swedish noblemen in 1693.

    Hitler had given Stalin a free hand to attack Finland in the Molotov-Ribbentrop agreement’s secret addendum.

    No, Hitler had agreed that the Baltics and Finland would fall into a soviet “sphere of influence”. When the communist jews invaded Hitler was furious. I do stand corrected about Germany not providing arms to Finland in 39/40.

    [MORE]

    There were no communist terrorists partisans operating in Lapland in 1944 when Germans burned Lapland.

    From an US army study of the Peltsamo-Kirkenes Operation, chapter 6, pg 100:

    Soviet Special Operations

    Both the Karelian Front and the Northern Fleet employed special-purpose detachments, so named because their special mission was to strike targets behind the German lines. Two special operations were conducted in support of the Petsamo-Kirkenes Operation, one by special-purpose troops of the 14th Army and the other by a composite detachment of naval infantry men and sailors from the Northern Fleet.

    In July 1944, the Front commander,General Meretskov, ordered several special-purpose detachments from an assault combat engineer brigade to be formed and prepared for operations deep in the German rear.1 The men came from various engineer units, including the 6th Separate Guards Battalion of Demolition Specialists(6thOGBM**), the 64th and 222d Motorized Assault Combat Engineer Battalions, and the 168th Army Engineer Battalion.

    In terms of depth, the special purpose detachments operated in a broad zone that extended from the German regimental rear to corps rear,from eight to fifty kilometers behind the frontline.The irreconnaissance and combat activities were directed more at communications and transportation facilities and targets than at combat forces.

    So we have a bunch of drunk Russian rapists hunting for revenge against the Nazi Finn’s, led by jewish kommisars up to 50 kilometers behind enemy lines. We know from other fronts that these jewish terrorist operations stipulated that there would be only one survivor who would tell the rescuers that the Germans did it. Jewish kommisars knew exactly how to fake being German, because so many spoke yiddish and were crypto jews.

    Some Finns sometimes mention the burning of Lapland if too eager neo-Nazis claim that Germans did not do anything bad during the war

    And all jews always mention the holohoax if “too eager neo-Nazis” refuse to accept the German war guilt claims from either of the two world wars for Israel. This is the crux of the issue, blaming Germany for what jews and shabbos did.

    Finns need to stop being such cucks and re-examine what was done to them. More than any other foreign country, Germans fought to save Finland from communism. When the Germans failed, partly because Finland was only interested in herself, Finland switched sides and allowed the Soviets to pin their war crimes on Germany. And they are still doing it today, and you are still doing it today J2. It would be far easier for you to prove that it was Germans who burned Lapland rather than Soviet partisans and Special forces, but as usual this is impossible since the Bolshevic jews ALWAYS falsified reports.

    The same applies to your extremely naiive holocaust calculations, which are based on nothing more than jewish lies and propaganda.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
    , @j2
  136. Anounder says:
    @Sean

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/big-if-true/

    Distance between populations has been underestimated through past methods. Newer research that has access to more samples and new methods shows that indeed, the likes of Lewontin underestimated how much difference there are between populations seperated by enough geographical separation (also called races).

  137. @Cowboy

    Yes, the non-aggression pact only held that the Baltics and Finland could be used by the Soviets as staging grounds in the event of war, not aggressed against (in Finland’s case) or outright annexed (in the Baltic’s case). The Soviets clearly exceeded their agreed-upon mandate.

  138. @Wally

    Give me a break. In a horrible war in which 10’s of millions were killed, why would you doubt that Jewish deaths were in the 1-2M range (something revisionists like Butz and Sanning believe)? j2 makes very clear he doesn’t believe the official story, and his meticulous work here supports the revisionist position. What do you think you’re accomplishing by attacking anyone who doesn’t adhere to an extreme revisionist position (really a caricature of revisionism)?

    • Replies: @Cowboy
  139. PB96 says:
    @Sean

    Curious here, how come the French have more Nganasan admixture than the English?

    Also as someone who is not too knowledgeable about genetics , how much Siberian ancestry does this graph translate to for the Eastern European pops?

  140. PB96 says:
    @Logan

    Sorry, bit confused, if the East Asian like ancestry arrived only 3500 years ago, does that not imply some connection with at least Siberian populations?

    • Replies: @Logan
  141. The one thing I’ve never understood about the finish is why they put such tiny heads on their nails.

  142. Ahv says:
    @Sean

    Ohhh yes they do except a few irish redhead finish are the lightest skinned europeans , they have the highest proportion of blonde hair and blue eyes too.

    And yes finns have the highest proportion of eastern hunter gatherer admixture in the world.

    • Replies: @Sean
  143. Cowboy [AKA "Kartoffelstampfer"] says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    [You have repeatedly changed your commenter handle, which is prohibited on this website. If you do this one more time, all your future comments may be summarily trashed. Since you anyway contribute almost nothing of any value, your total exclusion will be a small loss.]

    why would you doubt that Jewish deaths were in the 1-2M range

    One reason would be because impoverished and over indebted white families need that blood money back, with interest. If you try to be magnanimous and allow jews their unproven holohoax claims, then they will kvetch, squeal and whine until they get to keep their stolen holohoax loot.

    Another reason would be that if we accept any of their outrageous unproven claims and lies, we will never get at the truth. Assuming that J2’s 2.5 million jews, in contradiction to Jewish Encyclopedia world jewish population statistics, did die, then who is responsible for setting up their deaths and the demise of the majority of them? I would argue that it wasn’t Hitler. Hitler was desperate to get fake Germans of jewish descent out of Germany without blood shed.

    A final reason is quite simple: honor. By letting jews continually get away with their lies you only encourage more of them. In a court of law when a witness is caught lying to the court after swearing an oath of truth, all of his testimony has to be disregarded by the jury. So it is with jews who have been spreading their talmudic lies for centuries. It is long past time that any statement made by a jew is instantly considered to be untrue because of their history and how the Kol Nidre absolves them of sin for lying to goyim. If we throw out all of the jewish lies about both world wars we would be forced to reconstruct all of modern history, and when we were finished we would perfectly understand how their deep and malignant obsession with lies courses through the blood stream of this entire species of non-humans.

    • Replies: @j2
    , @Beefcake the Mighty
  144. j2 says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    “On #2, how do you get 4M? The Germans deported about 1.2M from Western Europe, and there were 1.8M in the part of Poland they occupied, so 3M, no?”

    You are right, my mistake. Sorry, I did not think before writing. Let me correct then, including East, Germans had 4 million, so 1 million would have died even if the camps were well kept. So, we get the minimum death toll to about 2 million. But as it was, I think 25% death toll is optimistic, as it is large in bigger camps and in the end of the war the camp system collapsed. That should mean higher death toll.

  145. j2 says:
    @Cowboy

    “Assuming that J2’s 2.5 million jews, in contradiction to Jewish Encyclopedia world jewish population statistics, did die, then who is responsible for setting up their deaths and the demise of the majority of them?”

    Ultimately it is pre-Zionists, people (mostly Jews) who wanted to restore Jews to Palestine and to create Israel according to prophecies. They started this project around 1820 with Mordecai Manuel Noah, a Jewish Freemason, but by 1840 it had the backing Rothschild and Cremieux. Hitler came much later. First pre-Zionists got Theosophists to write the Protocols of the Elders of Zion in order to start an anti-Semitic campaign to persuade Jews to move, then they created Zionism to persuade Jews to move, then they got the Balfour declaration from the WWI, but Jews still did not want to move. And then a Theosophist created the Thule Society for this purpose, army sent Hitler to join the party made by Thule, and so we have Nazis, who wanted to push the Jews away. Where? In the beginning it was clear, to Palestine, they made the Haavara agreement for that purpose.

  146. j2 says:
    @Sean

    “It is not yet clear why Finland rejected the Russian demands of October 1939. The Germans and Russians believed that it was done under British influence… ”

    It was not done under British influence: Mannerheim had a deep mistrust to British. It was done because those concessions would have resulted in the Soviet Union being able to conquer the country easily after them, as the Soviet Union did to the three Baltic countries after very similar early concessions. This decision was based on correct analysis, that is exactly what Soviets would have done.

    “I think you mean Moscow.”

    [MORE]

    Yes, I meant Moscow. I am not much of a Second World War historian. But Hitler made several very strange decisions, which make you wonder if his goal was not to attack, transport Jews, and to lose.
    1) Dunkirk, Hitler let the British to evacuate
    2) Murmansk railroad, Finns cut the original railroad. Both Finns and Germans in Lapland wanted to attack the second railroad (I mean, it had a new part to avoid what Finns cut), Hitler forbid the attacks.
    3) Hitler divided forces before attacking Moscow
    4) Hitler did not let Paulus to break free in Stalingrad
    5) Hitler stopped the battle of Kursk, though Germans were winning despite heavy losses
    The way Hitler came to power (Thule’s DAP, army sending him there, getting to be the prime minister with the help of an industrialist lobby) makes one wonder who he really was.

    “Finland wanted to win back territory Stalin had taken from it, and they did so, but then stopped and refused to move on Leningrad. This was a misconceived strategy because unless Germany won the war and was grateful to Finland how could Finland hope to prosper. If they thought Germany was would win without them, then all the more reason they should have helped so as to be in a good position with Superpower Germany. Finland should have went all in or stayed out.”

    In the original plans it was Germans who were to reach the Finnish lines, so Finns stopped where they were supposed to. But Germans did not manage to get there, so Hitler later asked Finland to close the siege. But as it was, Hitler had visited Mannerheim on his birthday (4. June 1942) and he had explained his plans. Those plans did not convince Finnish officers, they concluded after the meeting that Germany will lose. Finns were professional officers, Hitler was not. As this was to be expected, Mannerheim did not want to make the situation worse by closing the siege of Leningrad, though Finns could have done it at that time.

    “It was risky, but he had a better chance of winning–likely would have won had he driven straight for Moscow– than almost anyone realised. ”

    Napoleon went to Moscow and won all battles, but did not win. Yet, German high command had a reason to think that the war could be won, but did Hitler intend to win the war. He spent lots of effort to transport the Jews. Was that maybe his true goal?

  147. Sean says:
    @Ahv

    Obviously the selection pressure that produced blonde hair is not the quite the same as the one that created red hair, in fact my bet is red hair is something of a side effect of a gene that spread because it conferred whiter than white skin. Blonde hair does not do that, which is why Baltic blondes have relatively tawny skin tones.

    Why would a hair colour that gives the very lightest skin be much more common in Ireland than way up north in Finland? Explain to me what happened to all the non derived skin color alleles that were so common, but suddenly disappeared at the beginning of the Bronze age.

    • Replies: @NYC Girl
  148. @Sean

    There is no evidence of the dark women the Yamnaya took,

    Actually there is in fact evidence of that, as Yamnaya did mix with WHG (black skinned) Yamnaya men were exterminated by lightly pigmented people of the Corded Ware, Sintashta and Andronovo cultures who also took their women.

    of. That is, they did not elicit care and provisioning (as a baby’s light skin does). Think Stoya, an ethereal, vulnerable look. All that was needed for light skin types to sweep across Europe is the dark women’s genes were not passed on.

    That is impossoble as light skinned women would be in severe shortage in Europe as most were dark skinned, and most were not vulnerable. Women do not pass on their genes as effectively as men as they can only breed once a year, rare cases of twins aside.

    Also, light skin does not look vuknerable and neither does stoya.

    No recipe for mixing EHG into other populations can explain the skin colour of modern Europeans.

    Uh, yes it can and does.

    One certainly cannot explain the sudden dearth of genes for swarthiness in the Bronze age by the reproductive success of the Indo Europeans, but the reproductive choices they made could have had a genetic effect

    The reproductive success of corded ware men explains the sudden dearth of swarthiness in the Bronze Age.

    Imagine you are a member of a Yamnaya boy band and after a decade of murder and rape have decided to settle down. Pick one

    The earliest Bell Beaker males from central Europe (hungary) have red hair and light skin pigmentation; the specimen you posted (‘Ava’) is a hybrid Beaker from Scotland which postdates the hybridization of light skinned Bell Beaker men with WHG dark skinned women after they migrated West out of central Europe. You literally just pwned yourself, Sean.

    • Replies: @PB96
    , @Jeff Stryker
  149. PB96 says:
    @Sam Coulton

    Regarding Ava, should it not be Neolithic Farmer? I thought the WHG were largely gone by then

    • Replies: @Sam Coulton
  150. @Cowboy

    Agreed w/the mods, changing your handle is highly irritating, to say the least.

    Opposing Zionism or Organized Jewry has nothing to do with the objective question of how many Jews actually died during WW2. (And you can get in a lot of trouble even if you accept the mythical 6M number but reject the widespread claim that Jewish losses were somehow more lamentable than Slavic or German or Chinese.)

    If you claim revisionist research should be driven by ideological considerations (as you seem to be), than how different are you from those you claim to oppose?

  151. @PB96

    WHG are not “gone”. WHG admixture forms the largest autosomal component of Western Europeans.

    WHG were present all throughout Scotland and England (and Western Europe) before the arrival of the Beaker people, living side by side with neolithic farming communitiies, which were often mixed heavily with WHG. Neolithic farmers never attempted to replace WHG or any other European HGs.

    • Replies: @PB96
  152. j2 says:
    @Sean

    “Exactly, and Williams Syndrome has been seen as related to domestication. Finns as wolves in the shape of men.”

    This is an interesting topic if we drop Finns. Finns are as much tamed as anybody. The point I wanted to make is that people, like the author of this article, and other from the right, seem to support such a healthy view that deviants should not be accepted. That is what wild animals do: for some reason or another (i.e., either they kill deviants or deviants do not manage to breed) deviants are purged from the gene pool. This is correct, as deviants finally cause the ruin of the population.

    There was one comment you did not correctly answer. It was about that foxes when tamed start barking, get many colors and floppy ears. So, they have some genetic difference, they are deviants. They would normally be purged out, but a human tamer does not purge them, he selects from the whole population those who show low aggression. Thus, the selected gene pool can contain deviants on any respect. These tamed animals will be lacking in some respect, in the behavior, that is. They would be killed or fail to breed, as they behave incorrectly.

    And this is the result of taming. Tame animals are very tolerant, they tolerate deviants, as they have low aggression. In the beginning this is good: something new and good can come out. In cultural evolution it is similar, in the beginning this enriches the culture, there are new inventions, progress. But finally bad deviations accumulate to the level that the population dies. It can survive only if taken care of by human masters. So, to turn a population into slaves, tame them, reduce the level of aggression, make them very tolerant. The bad deviations appear in time by themselves.

    • Replies: @Sean
  153. j2 says:
    @Cowboy

    “No, Hitler had agreed that the Baltics and Finland would fall into a soviet “sphere of influence”. When the communist jews invaded Hitler was furious.”

    Hitler may have thought so, but he was not a professional soldier, who would have immediately seen that after those concessions Soviets will annex the country, as Soviets did in three Baltic countries. By not interfering in any way during the Winter War, like sending weapons, Hitler did give Soviets a free hand.

    “I said: There were no communist terrorists partisans operating in Lapland in 1944 when Germans burned Lapland.
    “The you refer to:
    From an US army study of the Peltsamo-Kirkenes Operation, chapter 6, pg 100:
    Soviet Special Operations, Both the Karelian Front and the Northern Fleet employed special-purpose detachments, so named because their special mission was to strike targets behind the German lines. Two special operations were conducted in support of the Petsamo-Kirkenes Operation, one by special-purpose troops of the 14th Army and the other by a composite detachment of naval infantry men and sailors from the Northern Fleet.”

    Please, check from the map where is Rovaniemi and where is Petsamo-Kirkenes. Soviets were still at war with Germany and were going to attack Norway, but it was not Soviet partisans who burned Lapland. We know exactly the German commander who gave the order, the order was prepared beforehand. The original goal of this order was to burn the land in case it is at the risk of falling in Soviet hands.

    “Finns need to stop being such cucks and re-examine what was done to them. More than any other foreign country, Germans fought to save Finland from communism.”

    This is not really true. The Molotov-Ribbentrop agreement was the direct reason for the Soviet attack on Finland in 1939. Germans, before Nazis, had indeed fought in the White side in 1918-1919 Finnish civil war, but the plan of attacking the Soviet Union by starting a world war and Finland being drawn to it was nothing good. Hitler did exactly that. Germans should stop being such cucks as to admire this Austrian guy, who started a war and lost it, either on purpose or because he did not want to listen to German generals.

    “When the Germans failed, partly because Finland was only interested in herself, Finland switched sides and allowed the Soviets to pin their war crimes on Germany.”

    And what exactly do you expect Finland could have done? Germans are pinning it on Germany.

    “And they are still doing it today, and you are still doing it today J2. It would be far easier for you to prove that it was Germans who burned Lapland rather than Soviet partisans and Special forces, but as usual this is impossible since the Bolshevic jews ALWAYS falsified reports.”

    It is easier to prove that Germans did it because in this particular case Germans did it.

    “The same applies to your extremely naiive holocaust calculations, which are based on nothing more than jewish lies and propaganda.”

    From Jewish statistics before the war and after the war follows that all main claims of holocaust revisionists are essentially correct. It does not matter if Jewish statistics is correct, as that is what the official story is based on. Thus, starting from the same numbers one can show that the official story is false.

    • Replies: @j2
  154. Levtraro says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Look up “Wired deCODE Iceland” in duckduckgo and you will get a relevant article in Wired as the first entry. What you ask for has already been done with the Icelandic population. Several advantages noted such as long genealogical records, extensive medical databases, known history of population, little mixing, etc. Several papers already published.

    • Agree: niceland
  155. Kerala says: • Website

    History is written by the victors.Good info concerning the war in general and Finland.Some revisionist history concerning kabuki theater i.e. WW II. http://www.veteranstoday.com/2019/02/10/ww2-ww3-khazars-the-war-i

  156. j2 says:
    @j2

    Cowboy, I looked up for you a reference in English:
    “In response to the betrayal committed by their former allies in attacking German troops, General Lothar Rendulic ordered a scorched earth strategy to be implemented, as punishment for the stab in the back. The Germans destroyed all government and civilian buildings, except churches and hospitals on their path to Norway.”
    https://www.warhistoryonline.com/world-war-ii/lapland-war-fight-finland-leave-war.html

    With your theory that Soviet partisans burned Lapland, instead of this very well documented case of Germans burning it, and offering Soviet special operations in Petsamo-Kirkenes area, you should notice that while Petsamo was a part of Finland as long as the war continued, Finland had to give the whole right arm to the Soviet Union. Germans indeed burned everything in that area, but that did not matter to Finns, as the area was evacuated and given to Soviets. What is meant by burning Finnish Lapland is the area of Lapland that stayed in Finland, and it is far from Petsamo-Kirknes. From Petsamo-Kirknes Germans withdrew directly to Norway. If you take a map, you see why. Look where is Rovaniemi. Not there. But it was not only Rovaniemi that Germans burned. The burning order was signed by Wuerst 11.10.1944.

  157. chris says:
    @Felix Krull

    LOL !!! WOW, that may be even stupider than monster truck meets, though there maybe a certain angle to this that I may be missing. Was Epstein a big sponsor here ?

    PS The title is a little misleading as it implies that there are other similar events in other countries, just not that large; which I would wager is not the case.

  158. PB96 says:
    @Sam Coulton

    Interesting, thanks. So you attribute her color and hair texture to WHG admixture?

    I do know the Beakers elsewhere were blondish, no?

    Also is the SEA in the map, a South East Asian component? How come it exists in Scandinavia but not in Germany? Should not EA make more sense?

  159. Sean says:
    @j2

    I posted a long video about domestication and humans by a world authority on the subject. Best look there for the answer to your supplementary questions.

    So, they have some genetic difference, they are deviants. They would normally be purged out

    It seems to me that Finns are far less tolerant than Danes when comes comes to deviants. In Denmark same-sex sexual activity was legalized in 1933. Denmark was the first country in the world to grant legal recognition to same-sex unions. Going by the digit ratios, it’s probably due to Danes being much less masculine. Danish women are not exactly ugly though.

  160. utu says:
    @Sean

    Italy was one of the first countries in the world that decriminalized homosexual acts (1889) and Poland did decriminalize homosexual acts in (1933). It seems that Protestant countries usually did it much later.

    Your argument using Denmark obviously is spurious, specious and fatuous which is typical of your trolling MO. I am surprised that “j2” does not ignore you. I am also surprised that Ron Unz still tolerates your trolling.

    • Replies: @j2
    , @Sean
  161. Logan says:
    @PB96

    Not exactly my area. But to the extent I understand it, the Finnic peoples used to live in NE Asia. They were pushed and/or chose to move west, and other peoples moved in who are only tangentially related to them genetically.

    On a much grander scale, consider Australia. The vast majority of present-day peoples living there are not at all related to “Australian” people from a historical POV.

    • Replies: @PB96
  162. @Sean

    Funny how you frequently bring homosexuality into your posts.

    • Replies: @Sean
  163. @Sam Coulton

    The porn star you are referring to is a Serbian-American whose real name is Jessica Stoyadovich. Wikipedia her.

    She looks like a Southeastern European Slav.

    Nothing to do with Nordics.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  164. @j2

    Out of curiosity, why do you think the Soviets settled for neutrality from Finland, as opposed to full Bolshevization (as in the case of, say, Romania)?

    • Replies: @Veritas X-
    , @j2
  165. @Beefcake the Mighty

    If I may, I’d like to give my ‘opinion’ on this.
    I’ve actually lived & worked in Finland for a few years, and even traveled in Finland as early as January 1980.
    The Cold War was most definitely cold and I believe Yuri Andropov was in charge of the USSR.
    But, let’s 1st see what j2 says.
    Ok?
    X-

    • Replies: @j2
  166. j2 says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    “Out of curiosity, why do you think the Soviets settled for neutrality from Finland, as opposed to full Bolshevization (as in the case of, say, Romania)?”

    Soviet takeover was a very real threat scenario during 1944-1948/49.

    Against a military takeover probably worked the fact that the Finnsih army had hidden weapons. It came out, so called weapon hiding case, but it indicated that there would be armed resistance, possibly leading to a new Winter War -type conflict, that the Soviet Union did not want at that time, after WWII had finally ended.

    The Soviet Union did try a political takeover with Communistic Secret Police (Valpo), i.e., the Allied commission controlled the secret police, and Soviets controlled the commission. Soviets supported the Finnish Communist party takeover plans at that time, and maybe believed in Finnish Communists that they could make a revolution or get to power in elections, but that was not realistic: there was too little support for Communism in the people.

    In 1948 Finland and the Soviet Union made a cooperation agreement, which satisfied the military needs of the Soviet Union, the commission left, and Soviets moved the plans of the change of the system in Finland to a better future. They did support Leftists and tried to propagate socialistic views later, but Communists and Social Democrats never got a majority in elections, to the change of the system become never actual.

    For sure president Kekkonen’s actions to keep the right wing party, Kokoomus, out of the government was one stabilizing factor, as was Finland’s opening to the West in trade and Kekkonen’s policy of building the image of Finland as a neutral country.

    It is possible that in Jalta the Great Britain pressed the Soviet Union a bit to keep Finland independent. I do not know if it was so. Actually Soviet troops had been stopped, so they could not conquer the country. I would say that the Western powers did not keep Finland in the West. They failed with all other countries, if they tried it. It was Finnish politicians, like Kekkonen, who did it by diplomacy and controlling the internal political expressions in order not to provoke Soviets.

    For sure some Finnish rightist would give you a different answer, but my answer is from a non-political person, who lived through Kekkonen’s time.

    • Replies: @Sean
  167. j2 says:
    @utu

    “I am surprised that “j2” does not ignore you.”

    I know Sean has an agenda, but as St. Paul wrote: I am not asking you not to discuss with evil doers of this world, to do so you would have to leave this world. (He recommended not discussing with evil doers in their community, but is Sean from the community of my friends?) Anyway, Sean is not as bad as the worst trolls and I will still answer his comments.

  168. j2 says:
    @Sean

    “Going by the digit ratios, it’s probably due to Danes being much less masculine.”

    Yes, there is this result. If we continue this idea of taming-aggression, it becomes also evident that the policy of not tolerating any deviants has the side effect of hindering development. Some amount of deviants (not necessarily genetic, but cultural) has a positive effect, but there must not be too much of it. Some new ideas you can adopt from abroad.

    These waves of tolerance/intolerance can be seen in the rise and fall of a civilization. Let us take Classical Antique. Greeks started accepting deviant behavior (though Socrates was still put to death for his new ideas), they accepted homosexuality, many religions, lack of respect to their old gods. Romans continued the same. We call this process degeneration of morals. Rome was not any more the moral, militarily oriented republic. It was collapsing because of this tolerance at the time when it took Christianity as the new state religion. Then the intolerant Christian Byzantium managed to survive a thousand years. Christianity was intolerance of other religions, of homosexuality, of prostitution, in general, it represented healthy intolerant values. But to get progress going on in the Renaissance it was again necessary to tolerate alchemy and even secret occult societies, which was a later seen to have been a major mistake. What there is today is promotion of tolerance as a positive value, but it is not only positive, and intolerance is not only negative.

    • Replies: @Sean
  169. j2 says:
    @Veritas X-

    “If I may, I’d like to give my ‘opinion’ on this.”

    Please do, there are many opinions and no opinion is the only correct one. In my opinion Soviets tried by war 1939-1944, then by takeover through the secret police and Communists in 44-48, then still hoped for a change of government 48-90, but all plans failed, lack of enough popular support. In 1980 they already had more or less given up hopes and did not much care of the takeover plans some Finnish Communists still had. Kekkonen moved Finland towards the West and tried to establish it as a neutral country to make it more difficult for the Soviet Union to justify any takeover attempts. But Communists worked still very actively in 1970s in an attempt to change the system to Socialism, as they always did, through schools, intellectuals, some professors, artists, and so on.

  170. Sean says:
    @utu

    There are twice as many murders in Finland as in Sweden, .
    Denmark surrendered in ww2 after how long?
    Denmark was the first country in the world to grant legal recognition to same-sex unions.
    Scarlett Johansson is part Danish.
    Danes have the most feminine average digit ratio in the world,
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hygge

    [H]ygge refers to “a form of everyday togetherness”, “a pleasant and highly valued everyday experience of safety, equality, personal wholeness and a spontaneous social flow”.[6]

    The noun hygge includes something nice, cozy, safe and known, referring to a psychological state.[7]

    Collins English Dictionary defines the word as “a concept, originating in Denmark, of creating cosy and convivial atmospheres that promote wellbeing

    I was talking about intelligent dogs, j2 brought up bear hunting. He is the Finn.

  171. Sean says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    I posted a long video about domestication and humans by a world authority on the subject. If you had bothered to watch his stuff you would see where it attributes homosexulity to selection against aggression. It was j2 the Finn who brought up domestication not me. This is a post about the uniqueness of Finns and I brought up an oddly unique Finnish disease that is similar to one found in Jews and adduced evidence that in dogs it is found in working herders that are bred for intelligence.

  172. anonymous[236] • Disclaimer says:
    @j2

    very well documented case of Germans burning it

    [MORE]

    Above, in my shadow banned comment, you will find that US army assessment of the Lapland war, and the author went into detail about Soviet sabotage and terror brigades operating up to 50 km behind lines.

    Here is a very relevant forum discussion about Rovaniemi where writers present cases for BOTH sides.

    I will not go into length here, since Ron Unz has made it clear time after time that I am Personna Non Grata, but here are some blurbs about Finn Soviet Partisans (commandos):

    6 th SS “Nord” division veterian Wolf T. Zoepf’s memory “Seven Days in January”:

    after the war, at a meeting between German and Finnish veterian, a fomer Finnish soldier Erkki Kerojarvi,told him it was a Finnish commando destroyed this ammunition train, which blowed up and burned down the whole town, so it acually was Finnish army’s fault for destroying Rovaniemi

    Rendulic was aquited of scorch and burn at Nuremburg in 1947.

    Commander of 20. Gebirgsarmy General Rendulic reports in his diary,some burning huts at the outskirts of town.In the night of 14th October town commendant Captain H.Jöhnk, reported that fire has broken out in town.2 Finnish civilians had been caught.They were later released.He ordered engineers to blow up houses around fire,so it could be get under control.At the railway station was a train full of ammunition and it was ordered to be pulled outside buy 2 tanks(no locomotive was available) but train rolled back to station.
    Jöhnk was in his way to station,when fire caught the train and it exploded. More than 6 hours munitions exploded and fire burned town to the ground.Germans suffered many wounded from explosiions and the wounted in military hospital suffered too.About 20 men did get eye injuries from broken glass.

    During the retreat, the troops were ordered not to enter Rovaniemi, but march around the town. I had my office in the barrack of the “Ortskommandantur”. Battle group commander was SS-Standartenführer Schreiber, the commander of SS-Geb.Jg.Rgt. 12 “MG”. It was forbidden for any German soldier to enter the town centre, and military police guarded this. One night, during the transport of a Finnish POW, a military police patrol reported that parts of the town centre had started burning. It could not be proved that the Finns had started this fire.
    We had only few resources to fight the fire, and were not able to do it. The fire soon grew larger, as the dry wooden buildings started burning. I decided, by the help of Engineer troops, to blow a “Fire Gate” around the fire, to prevent it from spreading. This did not prevent more houses to get in flames. At the railway was a train, loaded with ammunition. I had to use tanks (“Panzers”) to push the train away from the station, since we had no locomotive. The Railway Officer, who was from the Wehrmacht, got the orders to do this. Then, of reasons I do not know, the train was pushed back to the station again! Suddenly, I got a phone call from the Railway Officer, who said that the train could blow up at any moment, and what he should do. The tanks had already left the area, I checked this. I had to leave the train. The Railway Officer had already left; he was court martialed for this later. The fire grew closer to the train.

    in Mr Wolf Zoepf’s “Seven days in January”, page 46, note 3:
    “Fortunately for the surving members of NORD(and the memories of those who had passed on), vindicating evidence came to light more than fifty-two years after the tragedy at Rovaniemi. In the spate of veterans’ publications in connection to the fiftieth anniversary of the war’s end. Erkki Kerojarvi, a former Finnish Army sergeant, finally explained the genesis of the incident. in his memory, Vedin Miekalla Paasikiven Linja (I defended Paasikivi’s line with the sword) (Helsinki: Omakirja Oy, Hameenlinna 1989), he explains that his commando unit infiltrated into Rovaniemi on 13 Oct 1944, and destroyed the German ammunition train on the siding at the station. In explicit detail, Kerojarvi conveys the full story of the destruction of train, and its unintended consequences for the buildings in Rovaniemi.

    But this claim actually told us two things
    1, the destroying of Rovaniemi was destroyed by Finnish army unit by accident
    2. and after that the whole mission was cover up, either by this commando unit itself, or by Finnish government.

    Finnish soldier J.H.Palokangas who was member of Jaegerbattalion 3,was caught as pow at start of hostilities.To save his life he volunteered to German army and he was in Rovaniemi when it was destroyed.He said they were given map of areas that they were forbitten to enter.They were:area around Osuusliike Lapinmaa,hotel Pohjanhovi and area of bridge over Kemijoki. Then pioneer came and advised them to take shelter because Lapinmaa building was about to be demolish.That and Pohjanhovi was demolished. Then he says that he was knocked out by huge explosion from railway station. Men and horses ran away from station in panic and MP closed the streets.Ambulances and trucks with firehoses drive to station. Burning debris from train was thrown around and building in station were on fire.Strong wind was blowing from station towards town and fire spread fast.Men with hoses and buckets tried fight the fire but it still spread fast.

    I’ll leave it at that, J2. One thing is certain, this is not as cut and dry as you present it to be, and there were Soviet and Finn “Commandos” (terrorists) operating behind German lines.

    • Replies: @j2
  173. Digit ratio comparisons don’t work across ethnicities. For example, Mizos have lower 2D:4D than Germans, but are weaker, smaller, and obviously less masculine than Germans.

    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/ajhb.20549

    A study of world grip strength found that Scandinavian men are the strongest in the world:

    The anthropologist Carleton Coon said Scandinavia was home to Europe’s most virile men and the closest representatives of the “Cromags” you speak of:

    https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/troeplate04.htm

    https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/troeplate05.htm

  174. @Jeff Stryker

    Jeff,

    Her other half is Scottish ancestry and that could be Nordic.

    • Replies: @Sean
  175. Sean says:
    @j2

    Britain saw the Soviet Union as the real threat and it was only when the Nazi -Soviet pact was announced that Chamberlain agreed to guarantee Poland’s territory, up until that point Britain had only guaranteed Poland’s independence, which meant that Germany’s eastern border could be stretched into conflict with the Soviet Union.

    Chamberlain wanted a war between the ‘Nazis and Bolshies’ that Britain could sit out. Thus British had every motive to create dissension between Germany and the Soviet Union by encouraging Finland to reject Soviet proposals. Germany wanted to be free for war in the West, so it was willing to accept them as with Stalin’s demands on Romania. Stalin was not going to provoke Germany by actually invading Finland because Stalin wished to sit out a war between the capitalist powers them move West. The problem with all these calculations is they underestimated Hitler’s decisiveness and the power of the German army.

    • Replies: @j2
  176. Sean says:
    @Commentator Mike

    The point I was making is that she is an example of extreme pale skin, and her skin tone is a lot less sexy that say Sandra Romain’ s. Women in porn get heavily tanned because it is sexy.

    Many celebrity natural redheads go blond. In my opinion red hair is a side effect of selection for very white skin, which elicits care and provisioning and inhibits aggression, and probabally as a side effect of that also inhibits sexual desire somewhat.

    What people call Nordic is to me clearly the the result of selection for feminisation, which could only be sexual selection of women,
    http://evolution.anthro.univie.ac.at/institutes/urbanethology/projects/face%20and%20body/2D-4D%20and%20Facial%20Form/index.html

    I think Finns being a little different is due to them being a remnant or echo of an Ice Age phenotype, while West Europeans were more formed by being exposed to the full force of the Bell Beaker invasion. That is why the pale skin redhead genes are in the Western British Isles .

  177. Sean says:
    @j2

    With wolves and chimps there is an alpha who is the strongest and rules by fear (although bonobos seem a self domesticated chimp). In relation to humans, no one much cares about deviants, except if they are psychos who kill people. This is what Richard Wrangham says in his domestication talk. If you have a band of people without formal laws and there is a fellow who known for inflicting violent death in their community they get together and say ‘This man has already killed multiple times, we can’t trust him and he has to be got rid of. OK, so let’s do it right now’. And that is the end of that fellow, he is ambushed (maybe by the entire village) and done away with.

    If removal of extreme aggression (and fear) by self domestication is the same in animals as community death by mob in humans one would expect to get facial gracilization, paedomorphic characteristics, and increased learning ability and social interaction. That is all in the video I posted above. Here is a more technical explanation from the same domestication symposium

    • Replies: @j2
  178. j2 says:
    @anonymous

    “I’ll leave it at that, J2. One thing is certain, this is not as cut and dry as you present it to be, and there were Soviet and Finn “Commandos” (terrorists) operating behind German lines.”

    You better leave it here. It is a historical fact. The commands and actions of Germans are documented. You mention the ammunition train in Rovaniemi. Finnish historians have never claimed that Germans blew it up on purpose. It was an accident. You mention Kerojarvi’s story, but his account is contradicted by German documents that tell in great detail what happened (from Enbuske, a historian of this time): The explosion happened accidentally as a stove fell down and the fire spread to air-to-ground ammunition. Thus, Germans blew up the train by an accident.

    But even if that accident had not happened, Germans had orders to burn buildings, so a part of the city would have been destroyed.

    Germans burned villages (evacuated) quite far from anything important. Germans destroyed bridges with the acceptance of Finns (i.e., it was a military action, delay the enemy in withdrawal) when they withdrew, and one argument why they burned the houses is that Germans did not have tents and their soldiers slept in houses, so maybe they thought that Finnish soldiers also need houses as sleeping places and in this way tried to delay Finns. But it made no sense as Finns slept in tents. It was just a revenge by Germans, that’s it.

    During the war (before Finland made a peace with the Soviet Union) there were Soviet partisans operating in Finland, there is much data on their activities. But you mean the Lapland war. There is no proof of any kind that Soviet partisans were burning buildings in Finland at that time.

    I will stop here. This episode in history is well studied. Your self-made history writing cannot change it.

  179. j2 says:
    @Sean

    Interesting, I will think about it. Why I changed your discussion topic of intelligent dogs to taming and aggression is that you repeated a false claim that certain diseases would be connected with increased intelligence in Ashkenazi Jews. This is easily shown false by the carrier/prevalence ratio of these diseases, but there is a deeper reason: there was no selection of any kind in the Ashkenazi Jewish community.

    To see this, notice that the Ashkenazi Jewish community grew from 1200 to 1900 by a rate that doubles the population in 50 years. (This is the long time average you get). This rate is 3 children per woman. Fertility in those times was 6 children per woman, but 50% died before reaching maturity. Thus, 3 children per woman means that (practically) all men and all women marry and have children. Some variation there is, but basically the growth rate of 3 children per woman means that there is no selection at all.

    Gentile populations had selection, as they also got 3 children per woman to maturity, but only slightly more than 2 children per woman produced children. Thus, 1/3 were purged: either they died as mature, or the men were not accepted as husbands, or women as wives (not able to support a family or too ugly).

    Thus, we cannot explain higher intelligence of Ashkenazi Jews (if they have higher genetic intelligence, and if it is not only selection in migration to the USA) by selection. But we could explain it as lack of selection: deviants (some with higher intelligence but otherwise deviants) can mate, so many deviant properties can emerge, among them higher intelligence.

  180. j2 says:
    @Sean

    “Thus British had every motive to create dissension between Germany and the Soviet Union by encouraging Finland to reject Soviet proposals.”

    There is no knowledge that the UK ever made such proposals to Finland before the Winter War and a counterargument to the possibility that it did. At the end of the war Finland was in a difficult situation and the public in England and France wanted to help Finland. The UK and France offered to send 100,000 soldiers to help Finland. Finns rejected this proposal being sure (as it later has been confirmed, they were correct) that these troops would never come to Finland, they would stay in Sweden and occupy the iron core areas so that Germany would not get iron from Sweden. Had the UK really made some proposals to Finland before the war and had Finns believed in those promises at that time, they surely would have accepted help from the UK and France. The fact is that most countries in Europe knew very well the double talk the UK was doing and nobody but Poles trusted them.

    • Replies: @Sean
  181. Sean says:

    If you have more money you can have more well fed and cared for children. If poor and rich Jewish families were equal in number, but the poor had no surviving children and the rich had six surviving, then any genes that aided in getting rich would increase with three children and 50% died before reaching maturity per average Jewish woman, no?

    • Replies: @j2
  182. Mark1776 says:

    I am of Scots,English,Norwegian and Swedish descent,but I have epicanthic eyefolds,high cheekbones,black hair, before it fell out,with a beard,now silver that had red,brown and blond streaks, and tan a dark brown. Oh yeah! The bluest eyes you will ever see.

  183. j2 says:
    @Sean

    Yes, there is some selection for rich, but take into account that Ashkenazi Jews had Kahal, which helped poor Jewish families to survive. Gentiles also had this same selection favoring the rich, but they had more selection. The not only had selection of who would have children (3 children per woman in maturity, but only a bot over 2 of them had children), but they also had no social security of Kahal type, so poor gentiles had even more problems feeding the children.

    If selection would have developed intelligence, gentiles would be more intelligent, they had more selection (sexual selection favors intelligent and strong men and beautiful women, gentiles would be more intelligent, stronger and more beautiful than a population with less selection.)

    American (and UK) higher IQ is very simply explained by migration selection. The high birth rate produced lots of people, some were intelligent, they migrated to the USA and of the ones, who stayed, some 2.5 million died, so the average IQ increased. I do not recommend this method of increasing IQ, especially as it tends to decrease in following generations.

    The point is that the explanations for high Ashkenazi Jewish IQ are mainly all bullshit. Only Lynn’s proposal of selective migration has some sense.

    • Replies: @Sean
  184. PB96 says:
    @Logan

    Thanks.

    In your opinion then, who are the Finish more closely related to?

    I read your comment as them being originally Asian in origin and then admixed with Europeans after they moved West, is that a correct interpretation?

    I should say that I mean my question on a larger scale, in the West/East Eurasian clades.

    • Replies: @Logan
  185. Sean says:
    @j2

    It was the Russians that the Poles did not trust. Chamberlain became isolated in his party and the establishment of Britain and was forced against his better judgement by the military and foreign policy specialists to seek an alliance with the Soviet Union. When France and Britain gave guarantees to Poland (among other countries) Poland (and Romania) refused to have any Soviet involvement. That is why a French and British alliance with the Soviets fell through. Then the Soviet Union made a pact with Hitler and the prospect of a two front war that Chamberlain had counted on to deter Hitler disappeared. And the Poles got the Soviets on their territory, occupying half of it, anyway.

    Finland was the same as Poland, except much more so because Finland was only scared of the Russians, not Germany. Finland wanted Britain’s protection from the Russians but nothing to do with the Russians, who Britain needed to deter Hitler from war. Finland was even loath to have anything to do with France, just because it had a treaty with the Soviet Union. That without Britain (and France) in the West being coordinated with the Soviet Union Germany could not be deterred by the prospect of a two front war was no skin off Finland’s nose, they thought.

    The Germans put it about that in negotiation Britain had promised the Soviet Union a free hand in Finland, and Germany offered Finland a treaty. Erkko, Finnish Minister of Foreign Affairs between 1938 and 1939, used the aforementioned treaty offer to Finland as a wedge to prevent a Anglo Soviet alliance; he told Britain that there could be no security guarantee to Finland from the Soviet Union and such would be tantamount to a warlike act.

    At this time the influential though not in a official army position Mannerheim (his ancestors had been in Finland since the 18th century) privately told British diplomats he understood that the worst possible outcome was an agreement between Stalin and Hitler because it would mean war and Stalin waiting until the Western powers were exhausted then the Soviet Union sweeping West. Which is almost exactly what happened except that Hitler ‘s shattering victories wrong footed Stalin who thought that the war was going to be a re run of WW1.

    Britain and France were going to come to the aid of Finland in the Winter war, but it collapsed. The Soviets then left Finland alone and promised them 20000 tons of grain and to keep Germany sweet and fighting in the West let Germany get the nickel from the mine agreement. All in all it was might well have proved a disastrous mistake for Stalin to leave Finland alone. Hitler could easily have convinced them to strike at Leningrad. The history of Hitler is the history of people underestimating him. Fortunately for Stalin the Finns joined with Germany against the Soviet Union in a very limited liability way.

    • Replies: @j2
    , @Anonymous
  186. Sean says:
    @j2

    No matter how poor Jews got they were very reluctant to do manual labour. An illiterate labourer Jew is not the kind who would get charity, or a rich man’s daughter for a wife and her fathers financial support to pursue studies.

    https://www.unz.com/pfrost/more-on-french-canadians-and-tay-sachs/

    For Jews in early modern times “the main check on family size was the age of marriage. Men tended to marry once they had the means to support a family. If a young man came from an economically successful family, he could marry earlier and hence have a larger family.”

    The supreme resource for obtaining a good marriage was having scholars in the family tree (yikhus) which many could trace back six generations A good scholar could marry very young to the daughter of a successful businessman and be supported with free room and board (kest) as well as a large dowry. A novel gave devastating portraits of the parasitic Jewish groom : ‘Is my mother-in-law paralyzed that I should have to earn a living’. Scholarship was more highly regarded than business success and although the two often went together businessmen supported the most eminent scholars to such an extent that many became wealthy in their own right.

    I think there is something in the Talmudic scholarship theory of Ashkenazi intelligence. And I think there is something in my theory about the uniquely Finnish disease separate from Tay-Sachs and yet once mistaken for it that started from one person 500 years ago in the area of Finland where commerce provided a niche for men to make enough money to marry young and have a big family. A mutation which has a canine version that just happens to be inseparable from the bloodline of dogs bred for intelligence. If you could you trace your ancestry back 500 years, j2, I suspect you will find more well to do people thank you might think.

    Sexual selection of women produces beautiful women, and girlie men, like in Denmark

    • Replies: @j2
  187. j2 says:
    @Sean

    Sean, has it ever occurred to you that natives might know their history a bit better than you?

  188. Sean says:

    Not since you wrote that Mannerheim was Swedish.

    • Replies: @j2
  189. anon[357] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    The problem with your argument is that the average Danish guy is going to be an ultra-masculine alpha male in East Asia, a “charisma man” if you will. Yet East Asian countries are generally more socially conservative than Denmark.

    • Replies: @Sean
  190. j2 says:
    @Sean

    “Not since you wrote that Mannerheim was Swedish.”

    I wrote that Mannerhein was a Swedish-speaking Finnish nobleman and that he did not have connections to Germany. He was Finnish, studied in Russia, had a Hungarian wife. Not close connections to Germany. The family had come from Germany to Sweden in 1690 (you wrote incorrectly that Mannerheim’s had been in Finland since the 18th century), but if the family moved in 1690, then all Americans from German origin can be called Germans, as cowboy stated of Mannerheim.

    The sad fact is that Mighty and utu are perfectly correct about you, Sean. You are a troll and your intentions on these discussions are not laudable.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
    , @Sean
  191. j2 says:
    @Sean

    Three simple facts refute your theory. 1) Ashkenazi 50 years doubling time implies 3 mature children per woman. 2) 6 children per woman is the average limit you can get and it does not depend on wealth, it depends on woman’s ability to bear children. 3) about 50% of children died before reaching maturity, this also does not depend much on wealth, or Jewish cleanliness habits, it depended on infectious childhood diseases and death ratios were worse in towns than in rural areas, Jews lived in towns. Thus, to get 3 mature children per woman does imply that there is no selection in the average case. Ashkenazi Jews, as a fast growing population, had the smallest natural selection for intelligence or any other trait. That is how they got the diseases.

    “If you could you trace your ancestry back 500 years, j2, I suspect you will find more well to do people thank you might think.”

    I can trace my family back 400 years by church records. They were farmers. There was one community big man, who had the first car in the city, but no, my ancestors were not well to do people. Intelligence is not nearly as closely connected with wealth as you may imagine. Most gentiles were farmers, before that time they were hunter-gatherers. It was in the hunter-gatherer stage that they developed their high intelligence. Usury is about the easiest profession there is, it is simply crookedness, but you need a Kahal or friends to borrow the early capital to start this criminal profession. But as it is, criminals are not that intelligent, they only think so.

    • Replies: @Sean
  192. NYC Girl says:
    @Sean

    Obviously the selection pressure that produced blonde hair is not the quite the same as the one that created red hair, in fact my bet is red hair is something of a side effect of a gene that spread because it conferred whiter than white skin. Blonde hair does not do that, which is why Baltic blondes have relatively tawny skin tones.

    Interesting. I suspected this, as my husband is a Baltic blond, very blue eyes, yet he has a tawnier skin than I do (and I am mostly Italian with a wee bit of Irish and German). He even has those darker areas around the eyelids that you normally see in Spanish, Italian, and Portuguese people. I think it’s a very attractive combination. He also has elfin ears with a broad forehead and tapered face. He is tall and thin but muscular due to physical labor jobs. He is almost 6 foot 4!

    I am paler than he but my eyes are hazel and green, not that nice ice blue you see in Nordics etc. My natural hair color was strawberry blonde as a kid and dark auburn today. Unlike my husband, who has very silky and fine hair, mine is frizzy and curly, like all the other women on both sides of my family. I have to use black hair products and styling methods, but the texture is different. It’s smoother, and more curly instead of kinky. Some of my aunts got “perms” which is a euphemism among blacks and other curly haired women for a relaxer job. I am going natural—the end result is very nice curly hair that is soft and nice to touch as long as I keep it hydrated with fruit oils or shea butter. Husband can wash with any old shampoo, as long as it’s for normal hair. I can’t even use shampoo—must wash with conditioner unless I want dreadlocks.

    Oddly, I am most often mistaken for a Cuban or Ashkinazi Jew. My married last name may be a reason why, or the fact that I am smart and work in a high-intelligence profession. Genetic tests on my liver suggest I metabolize drugs differently than most people, and my dentist says I have the “red-head gene,” which means I need 4x the Novocain of his typical patient.

    My husband is believed to have partial or total immunity to HIV. This is common among Nordic/Baltic peoples. He is going to donate a skin swab to the NYC AIDS research foundation so they can learn more. Years ago I wrote about new developments in AIDS and other infectious disease research so I am happy that he wants to help scientists in this area.

    When I first met my husband I thought he was German. I couldn’t place his accent because I didn’t know many people from his ethnic group, but now I don’t even hear it since we have been together for 15+ years. Of course, I have what’s considered a “standard” Queens accent, although it’s not very strong. Since living in NYC for so long he has gotten a bit of one too. I love seeing how people pick up their looks, brains and voice patterns from their families, genes, and places of residence.

    Genetics overall are interesting. The advancements we’ve made and will be making are exciting. I especially like to look at and learn about the blondes of Northern/Eastern Europe. They are some of the most gorgeous men and women in the world!

  193. @j2

    He’s also gay, don’t forget.

    • LOL: Iris
  194. Sean says:
    @j2

    https://www.unz.com/gdurocher/the-uniqueness-of-the-finnish-race/#comment-3400324

    j2 says:
    August 18, 2019 at 10:24 am GMT • 800 Words
    @Cowboy

    “Their greatest “patriot”, von Mannerheim, was a German who barely spoke Finnish. ‘Nuff said.”

    Mannerheim was a Swedish speaking Finnish nobleman. He did learn some Finnish after 1917 He went to military academy in Russia. He did speak German fluently, but had no connections to Germany.

    Mannerheim was born in 1867 for goodness sake. It is hardly a refutation of the idea that he was Swedish to say he was in his fifth decade before he learned any Finnish.

    • Replies: @j2
  195. Sean says:
    @anon

    The comic rather casts doubt on your thesis, because when he becomes Charisma Man the Dane-geek suddenly looks rather … Finnish!. In fact he just gets more masculine looking.

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcST2ifJc981FZqyi2Qp8GIDstRz1zOoMbIbIzBuwW8I8tarCBJIlw

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodil_Joensen Danish farm girl who had sex with animals, would have been a top model in any other country.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%B8ren_Kierkegaard
    Consider the woman with hemorrhages; she did not press herself forward in order to touch Christ’s robe; she told no one what she had in mind and what she believed-she said very softly to herself, “If I only touch the hem of his robe, I shall be healed.” The secret she kept to herself; it was the secret of faith that saved her both temporally and eternally. You can keep the secret to yourself also when you profess your faith with bold confidence, and when you lie weak on your sickbed and cannot move a limb when you cannot even move your tongue, you can still have the secret within you. But the originality of faith is related in turn to the originality of Christianity. Works of Love, 1847, Hong 1995 p. 28-29

    As Nietzsche said “whoever is incapable of laying his will into things, lacking will and strength, at least lays some meaning into them, that is, the faith that there is a will in them already”.

    • Replies: @anon
  196. Sean says:
    @j2

    There was one community big man, who had the first car in the city

    Thought so.

    Most gentiles were farmers, before that time they were hunter-gatherers

    Finland is about the only European country that might be true of. Many Jews were in the profession of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arendator The Talmudic scholarship connection with early marriage via kest did the rest.

    How can a 500 year old autosomal recessive mutation not only not disappear but flourish unless it offers some advantage?

    • Replies: @j2
  197. j2 says:
    @Sean

    Not Swedish but Swedish-speaking Finnish person. That is, Finland has two official languages, Swedish and Finnish. Swedish speaking Finns do think they are Finnish, in Swedish they refer to themselves as finlandare, but in English they are Finns, not Swedes. Finland become independent 1917, so Mannerheim tried to learn the second official language. In his time most of the elite spoke Swedish, so he was not in any way an exception, but these people were not Swedish, meaning citizens of Sweden.

  198. Anonymous[240] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    the Finns joined with Germany against the Soviet Union in a very limited liability way.

    My point exactly. But then Finland dog-piled on Germany with all the other ZOG slave states after the war and blamed her for the actions of Soviet “Commando’s” and Finnish communist partisans operating up to 50Km’s behind the front in the Lapland.

    In the axishistory forum I linked to above that J2 clearly did not read, there is an interesting dicussion of von Mannerheim having been in secret communication with Stalin. The Finn patriots poo-poo’d it, but the Norwegian didn’t give ground.

    Here is another interesting thread from that forum:

    Very fascinating. I didnt know Mannerheim was a Freemason but I guess it shouldnt be surprising. Does a photo of their handshake exist? Ah yes, here we go..

    Still looks to me like Hitler was at least very familiar with freemasonic hand grips...

    The president Risto Ryti was apparently a Freemason too which would explain a much of Finland’s activities during this period, since Roosevelt, Stalin and Churchill were all Freemasons as well.

  199. anon[323] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    He doesn’t actually physiologically transform. It’s a comic. The point is that your claim that Danes are the least masculine and that this explains Danish society is not valid. The Dane-geek looks the same whether in Denmark or East Asia. But in the latter, he’s like an ultra-masculine alpha male.

    • Replies: @tamo
    , @S. M. Coulton
  200. j2 says:
    @Sean

    “How can a 500 year old autosomal recessive mutation not only not disappear but flourish unless it offers some advantage?”

    It can. Romanov’s were Czars 1613 to 1917 and the family had the hemophilia gene.
    It was a family, which for some reason, not related to the recessive disease was a successful family and therefore was successful in making children and the gene did not disappear. There are many similar things, if a family is rich, it is not genetic but inherited, and they can feed children. If this family has a deleterious recessive gene, then this gene stays in the family and spreads from it to the population.

    Theoretically, if a recessive gene has a negative effect, it should disappear if breeding is random, but the time it takes for it to disappear depends on how negative effect it has. But the key is that breeding should be random, in humans it is not random. There are more or less successful families, which mix up this theory.

  201. tamo says:
    @anon

    No, a geek-looking Dane still looks like a sissy in the East Asia. A Korean or Mongol male can out- drink or out-fight any Dane MFs . I think you are suffering horribly from a delusion of grandeur. lol !!!!

  202. Sean says:

    Natural selection is not only about survival in a given environment, it is about competition against other genotypes. Infantile neuronal ceroid lipofuscinosis carrier frequency in the western coastline communities is 1:24. The western coast was where communications were better and early economic development took place. The eastern region is where the other diseases are commonest, but there is only a quarter of the infantile neuronal ceroid lipofuscinosis carrier prevalence of the west. And the canine form is found in working herding dogs bred for intelligence.

  203. Logan says:
    @PB96

    I don’t have any expertise in this area at all. But I do know we instinctively project today’s racial categories into the past and try to determine who “the Finns really are.” They’re, from my very basic understanding, part of the Finno-Ugrian group, which used to be extremely widespread across northeastern Europe and well into north Asia. They have since largely been displaced by Slavic and Turkic groups, among others. Although if you research it there are little clumps of them still there.

    One of the problems is that to a considerable extent we conflate language and “race,” when of course the two things are entirely distinct, though often related. So the “disappearance” of the original Finnic peoples was quite likely largely their adopting the language of their conquerors and neighbors.

    I’ve always been fascinated by the Finns.

    • Replies: @PB96
  204. I’m surprised no one has brought up the decidedly interesting Finnish philosopher Pentti Linkola, probably the world’s foremost eco-fascist. Counter Currents has some decent writing by and about him:

    https://www.counter-currents.com/tag/pentti-linkola/

    • Replies: @Sean
  205. @anon

    Why try to disprove Sean with a comic when the data itself proves him wrong? Nordics fall into the phenotypical classification of high testosterone, Koreans are phenotypically low T (see table 1):

    https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/91/2/687/2843517

    • Replies: @Sean
  206. Anonymous[458] • Disclaimer says:

    The original Churchill/Stalin plan was for Stalin to attack Finland and England and France were to “defend” Finland by invading Sweden and Norway. Clearly the Masonic plan was for this second world war for goy genocide to also take down all of Scandanavia. Hitler got word of Churchill’s plan and took Norway, and Sweden refused to let Chuchill send troops through Sweden and occupy it.

    From Finland in the Eye of the Storm

    [MORE]

    From 1932 onwards, Mannerheim kept original documents consisting of , for example, secret reports, letters, personal notes, into a file code named ”S-32”. Political reasons stopped Mannerheim from using this file as evidence after the war.

    Churchill and Stalin negotiated the starting of co-operation in a war of many fronts against Germany since April 1939. In July it was agreed that when Germany and the Soviet Union attack Poland, the declaration of war of the western allies would be focused only against German actions. On the 23rd of August 1939 Stalin and Hitler signed the so called Molotov-Ribbentrop agreement. Its secret extra protocol included the so-called concept of the sphere of interest that did not mean permission to conquer the Baltic states and Finland. It meant instead the right to demand strategic bases in case of war. On the 15th of October 1939 an agreement was signed between Stalin and Churchill (the allied forces). The core of it was the plan to destroy Germany both militarily and economically. Churchill’s old plan regarding the Scandinavian operation was also accepted.
    […]
    The winter war of Finland did not stop because of Stalin’s fear of a possible threat of western allies attacking to defend Finland. It ended when Hitler sent Stalin an edict that Stalin shall cease the acts of war against Finland, or Germany will bombard Soviet troops and fight for Finland unbidden. The Marshal received from Hitler information about this edict and copies of the plan of the western allies and Stalin concerning Finland. If this would have happened, the allied forces would have conquered Norway and Sweden in the name of Finnish aid. Simultaneously the Soviet Union would have conquered Finland. Finland would have drawn into war and Scandinavia would have been a front against Germany. Churchill and the allied forces thus sold Finland to the Russians.

    Stalin played simultaneously an ally of Germany and the western allies. His goal was to get the western allies and Germany to wear themselves down in their fighting against each other. After this he would conquer a weakened Europe. Stalin purchased first the newest mechanical weaponry from Germany. After it he obtained from the USA an immense amount of war material against Germany (and Finland) as Lend-lease aid. No final account of these possessions has yet been made. The unconditional denial of passage for allied forces through Sweden partially saved Finland. The agreement of Churchill and Stalin allowed the conquering of Scandinavia and the Baltic countries. A section was added that the conquered areas should be given their independence back after peace had come.

    When the general courier of Stalin was transporting the strategic war plans from Churchill, the air force of Germany compelled the airplane to land on 9 Feb. 1940. During the examination of the air crew and the passengers, all documents were photographed. Hitler received exact information about the attack plans on several fronts of the allied forces. He thus started a preventive attack plan in Norway. Stalin did not know that the plans had been revealed. The Marshal’s so called scabbard order of the day on 9 July 1941 was born after Hitler’s edict to unambiguously express the goals of Finnish warfare, or otherwise Germany starts taking Finland under its government. ”

    These S-32 files really illustrate the amount of deceit and double dealing required from the Masonic lodges in order to get these genocides of Christians going. This half of a century long satanic ritual reached its blood letting orgasmic frenzy with Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

    Yet J2 thinks that Finland would have been better off genetically if the Finnish men had been genocided and their women raped by communist mongrels, just as with Germany.

    • Replies: @j2
  207. Sean says:
    @S. M. Coulton

    Well obviously Koreans are extremely low T, but there is a reduced difference between men and women among East Asians, so a Danish man is getting a less feminine woman in Japan. Within Europe, Finns have very masculine digit ratios, especially when compared to the Danes. Finns like hunting, and you cannot get a more masculine hobby than that. Except maybe driving fast cars, which they also love and are very good at.

    • Replies: @S. M. Coulton
  208. tamo says:

    High testosterone level does not denote manliness. If that’s the case, then black males would dominate in combat. But in my experience, black males are essentially big-mouthed BSers. They make cowardly soldiers. On the other hand. quite East Asians such as Koreans, Gurkhas are among the best LIGHT infantrymen in the world. Also, I’m not impressed with the MODERN day Nordic males who seems to be too sissy in
    their nature. Of all Nordics, I have the most respect for Finns. They make excellent soldiers. Maybe in some way it has to do with their remote East Asian ancestry. So in a nutshell, the higher the testosterone level, the bigger the mouth and the lousier soldier.

    • Replies: @S. M. Coulton
  209. Sean says:
    @Hubert Collins

    https://www.counter-currents.com/2011/06/in-praise-of-pentti-linkola/
    Stupidity reaches a climax among those people who argue – without having learnt a thing from history or being able to read a single sign of our times – that man knows what is good for him: “the people know.” From this absurd assumption derives a suicidal form of government, parliamentary democracy, born among the tyrants of mankind, the West. Alas it looks like the bubble of democracy will never burst: as we struggle to enter the new millennium, we can abandon all hope. (p. 159)

    Yes a bit different from any environmentalism found in Denmark, especially when he applauded the 9/11 attack as a blow against capitalism, but I feel his idea that one should seek the best for “man” is every bit as wrongheaded as anything found in the land of bicycles. Competition is how efficiency is developed. Bacteria, multicellular animals, families, tribes, and countries are made up of individuals that are in competition with each other but ally to fight other alliances. The good ‘for man’ is not the best for everyone in the long run. That particular good would mean no firms going out of business, no people that never reproduce and no countries that get conquered or are forced to alter their system in to keep up. The slogan for diversity is it makes us stronger. Stronger against other countries obviously., for a more powerful economy is potential military power. Tell me Germany, virtually disarming, is not trying to be strong for the same old reason. Sweden has abandoned a lot of its socialist aspects economically in order to keep up. agom, a Swedish word, can be translated as “in perfect balance”, or “just right”.

    Lagom, a Swedish word, can be translated as “in perfect balance” […] The problem with lagom lies with its emphasis on being a good person: a good person can never really relax. They’re too busy constantly weighing the ethical consequences of every little decision they make. “I could buy a nice pot of hummus to enjoy with dinner, but that plastic pot it comes in is so bad for the environment.” Denmark, meanwhile, is renowned for its hygge. … Hygge is like a Disney movie that leaves no place for the mess of real life.

    But there is another Scandi option – the Finnish path to happiness. Unlike our lovely neighbours, the Finn relies not on lagom or hygge but kalsarikänni, a term that literally means “drinking at home, alone, in your underwear”. This may sound fanciful but at the heart of this approach lies a democratic ideal. “Pantsdrunk” doesn’t demand that you deny yourself the little things that make you happy or that you spend a fortune on Instagrammable Scandi furniture and load your house with more altar candles than a Catholic church. Affordability is its hallmark, offering a realistic remedy to everyday stress. Which is why this lifestyle choice is the antithesis of posing and pretence: one does not post atmospheric images on Instagram whilst pantsdrunk. Pantsdrunk is real. It’s about letting go and being yourself, no affectation and no performance.

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/oct/07/how-the-finnish-liftestyle-of-getting-drunk-while-wearing-pants-became-the-new-hygge

  210. Hhmm!!!
    I do NOT like what I see here.
    On this thread.
    From my point of view, and, experience, it appears WE are dealing with some-kind-a-bot-bot/troll/AI that,consistently gives…. INFO.
    *Pre-Programed*!!!
    Perhaps?
    NO-1, and I mean, NO-1, spends soooo much time…following a thread!
    AND, supplying, non-personal + ‘twikiipeediaa’…let’s call it…*regurgitated history*.
    I don’t like it.
    Sorry.
    I’m, old, &, know the game.
    So.
    Bye-Bye.
    My ‘personal opinions & further personal observations’ are, Herewith, void.
    X-
    ps.
    Heads-Up RON UNZ!!!
    I see auto-generated BOTS here.
    Cheers Ron.
    X-
    pss. MODS, do your JOB!

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  211. j2 says:
    @Anonymous

    “Yet J2 thinks that Finland would have been better off genetically if the Finnish men had been genocided and their women raped by communist mongrels, just as with Germany.”

    I certainly do not think so.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  212. Anonymous[458] • Disclaimer says:
    @j2

    Here is what you wrote:

    So then, what is the gain of keeping the local adaptations, like Finns, for instance? Are they more happy that way? Maybe not. And if mixing populations you lose something, maybe so, but if the local adaptations are really not that good. (Say, a local adaptation to lack of sunshine is to tolerate drunken people as that in any way is the only way to survive there, and another adaptation is to lose the ability to socialize, so what is so great in these adaptations? Though, I admit, Finns have also some positive features, and there is a positive feature in being able to trust people, as is the case there.) But in general, are these local adaptations so much worth saving?

    To try to tune or tweak your population is Eugenics, and to the jews that is the greatest Holocaust Nazi-NO to all the other species of humans, excepting their own of course.

    The point here is that from Barbara Spectre we know what the jews are planning for all of Scandanavia. Finns have to stick together or become mongrelized Noahide slaves.

    • Replies: @Sean
  213. Sean says:
    @Anonymous

    The Finnish way is an ethics of minding-of-one’s-own-business, which is the essence of destiny.

    How different is the Swedish pretension of being moral tutors to the world by giving the Palestinians money to breed like rabbits, and funding Spectre who was born in Israel, but lives in Sweden where she has the support of the Swedish government for denying the Armenian genocide among other pro Muslim agitation. Such sanctimony is the reason Sweden’s future is looking grim.

    • Replies: @j2
  214. Anonymous[105] • Disclaimer says:
    @Veritas X-

    NO-1, and I mean, NO-1, spends soooo much time…following a thread!

    How much time? If it’s an interesting topic, I tend to revisit the comment section for several days after reading the article. That’s where the discussion happens.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  215. @Sean

    Asian women less feminine than Nordic women? That’s not what Nordic women said.

    http://sciencenordic.com/blond-sexy-and-immigrant

    According to Lundström there is much focus on whiteness in Singapore. Ads for skin whitening products are common, and whiteness is the ideal. But the ideal of beauty is not a white, blond western woman.

    “Western women were ranked below the Chinese in the racial hierarchy. The western whiteness is not as posh as the Singaporean, Chinese whiteness,” says Lundström.

    Swedish women in the US were very preoccupied with American men, whereas the Swedish women in Singapore were not the least interested in Asian men. They focused on their Swedish husbands. Asian women, on the other hand, represented a possible rival, since Swedish men found Asian women attractive.

    “The Swedish women in Singapore were almost desexualised. They felt less feminine,” says Lundström

    The sexual dimorphism between Nordic men and women is due to Nordic men being larger than Nordic women. There is obviously greater dimorphism between a Nordic man and an East Asian woman than a Nordic male + Swedish female.

    And you keep bringing up digit ratios even though it’s already been shown that it has no use for cross-ethnic comparisons. The difference between Poles and Finns is greater than the average difference between males and females; yet Poles aren’t feminine.

    Finns actually tend ro be rather androgynous and have a small number of hunters (6% of population carries hunting cards compared to 4% in Sweden), which is not really impressive considering it’s more rural than Sweden and economically behind other Scando countries. Try pulling up some actual data and facts instead of your imagination.

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @Anonymous
  216. @tamo

    On the other hand. quite East Asians such as Koreans, Gurkhas are among the best LIGHT infantrymen in the world.

    Koreans best infantrymen? I think you’re clearly biased as a Korean, Korea has a rather poor military history.

    Also, who are you kidding claiming Gurkhas as “East Asian”? Gurkhas are South Eurasian Aryans with more Caucasoid (Indo-Aryan) ancestry than East Asian ancestry, particularly on their paternal line. You need to quit hallucinating and claiming people who don’t belong to you. Actually, Gorkhas are probably good fighters because of their substantial Aryan DNA.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/srep32494

    • Replies: @tamo
  217. Sean says:
    @S. M. Coulton

    Swedish women in Singapore were not the least interested in Asian men. They focused on their Swedish husbands. Asian women, on the other hand, represented a possible rival, since Swedish men found Asian women attractive.

    Feminine women are not as available, their response to advances is more a hesitant acquiescence. And they tend to be looking for commitment. Local women are regarded by European expatriates in Hong Kong as little brown fucking machines I am told.

    The sexual dimorphism between Nordic men and women is due to Nordic men being larger than Nordic women. There is obviously greater dimorphism between a Nordic man and an East Asian woman than a Nordic male + Swedish female.

    That is not the issue as sexual selection of women would be expected to pull the male 2d:4D with it. By the way the smallest hands I have ever seen belonged to a Polish woman. The World Wife Carrying Championships are held in Finland, make of that what you will.

    The sexual dimorphism between Nordic men and women is due to Nordic men being larger than Nordic women

    Shocking!

    And you keep bringing up digit ratios even though it’s already been shown that it has no use for cross-ethnic comparisons. The difference between Poles and Finns is greater than the average difference between males and females; yet Poles aren’t feminine.

    Whether Polish women are more feminine that Finnish women is the question you should be pondering.

    Finns actually tend to be rather androgynous

    The men or the women? You cannot have it both ways with sexual selection, which only works one way at a time. When I compare Europeans to Africans it seems rather obvious that the focuses of selection were on the opposite sexes.

    Finns actually … have a small number of hunters

    And one man who happened to be the world’s greatest sniper; killing is the ultimate man’s work. I spent ages arguing with j2 (10X longer that this thread) about whether Lee Harvey Oswald could have killed JFK with a bolt action rifle. In many ways he is against the characteristics that make Finns unique. I suspect him of being prejudiced against East Finland.

    • Replies: @j2
    , @SSM COULTON
    , @Anonymous
  218. tamo says:
    @S. M. Coulton

    You are talking a lot of BS here. You seem like some leftover from the pathetic sissy aryan
    GAY brotherhood. You are the one talking out of your butt. I want you to read this on the internet: “Study of Genetic Relationships of Indian Gurkha Population on the Basis of HLA- A and B Loci Antigensand B Loci Antigens
    by Monojit Debnath , Tapas K. Chaudhuri , Paleoanthropologists Nicholas Rolland.”

    “The standard genetic distances of the Gurkha population were calculated on the basis of gene frequency data of HLA antigens and when compared with other populations, it has revealed that Gurkha population is genetically closer to the population of Mongoloid origin. It can be considered that the Gurkha population may have been originated from Mongolians and/or Tibetan stocks”.
    That sure sounds like the Gurkhas are of the East Asian ORIGIN to me, my man.

    Here is what an American Vietnam combat veteran says about the tough South Korean(ROKs)troops in YAHOO ANSWERS ” I am a combat veteran, and have served in war with military units from many countries. In my experience, the Korean is the most vicious, meanest, toughest, and sneakiest fighter in the world. In Vietnam the “ROK” soldiers were feared above all others because they showed no thought, no plan, and no mercy. They were sent to kill…and kill they did. Expertly, quickly, and without remorse. Somali soldiers are desperate, they are hungry, but they are undisciplined, untrained, and physically weak. Russians are very strong, agile, and impervious to physical attack. A Somali will give up when out gunned, a Russian never will, and a ROK has already cut your throat. There are exceptions to every rule, but If I had to choose just one, based on my knowledge and experience, it’s the ROK who will get the job done”.

    On the other hand, of course you still can find some sissy Koreans like anyplace else. But Koreans are by and large, hard-drinking and hard-charging people. So get off your stupid f—king aryan bullshit.

    • Replies: @SSM COULTON
  219. @Anonymous

    But who did Veritas-X have in mind when writing ?

    From my point of view, and, experience, it appears WE are dealing with some-kind-a-bot-bot/troll/AI that,consistently gives…. INFO.

    Not J2 maybe? J2 has an interest in this topic and is knowledgeable about it so of course he’ll be straight onto it. Or perhaps Sean too as he suspects several? These two were the most active on this thread, followed by substantial input from Beefcake the Mighty. He did also say at one point that he wanted to see what J2 would answer first to a query from Beefcake. This doesn’t make sense. Why would he expect so much bot-bot/troll/AI activity on a thread about Finland? Sounds ultra-paranoid to me.

  220. j2 says:
    @Sean

    “I suspect him of being prejudiced against East Finland.”

    Not so. My father came from the lost Carelia, a shore of lake Laatokka/Ladoga, had to leave his house there. They lived there since 1650, probably much longer but the church records are not longer. My mother also came from East Finland, very close to the present Eastern border. I went to see our old home place in Russia in 1990s. Not much there left after Soviets.

    I am not against Finnish characteristics, I have a very Finnish personality. But I know that foreigners do not much care of things we like (like sauna and swimming) and despise many things we do (like being alone and drinking a few beers). So, I do not see any sense defending them to you.

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @Old Jew
  221. j2 says:
    @Sean

    Let me add that Finns actually do not drink more than Europeans (or White Americans) in most countries. They mainly differ in not being moralists, who immediately object to drunks (as Europeans do in most European countries, and as especially their women do). The second difference is that many Finns find social situations very uncomfortable and drink in such occasions, as they cannot do or tolerate smalltalk while sober. I think those talkative foreign people must be drunken from birth by their mixed up brain and hormones. So you tend to see more drunken Finns than drunken, say Southern Europeans, though Southern Europeans may well drink more, but they hide it.

  222. PB96 says:
    @Logan

    Thanks, appreciate the reply.

    You are right, I was conflating them a bit. I am more interested in the genetic aspect, and was wondering about Finland , and North Eurasia in general.

    Things get a bit complicated there, and it is a very interesting area to study.

  223. @tamo

    Sounds like I got the best of tamo, you’re clearly triggered. However that HLA antigens are a very small part of the genome and thus your shitty study doesn’t trump the overwhelming autosomal and sex chromosomal evidence showing that Gurkhas are less than 40% East Eurasian:

    The study revealed that genetic components of East Eurasian (36.59%) and South Asian (51.63%) ancestry have comprised the vast majority of the Nepalese gene pool. Majority of the samples belonged to the already defined haplogroups, such as, M3, M5, M18, M30, M35, M43, D4, R8 and M60. (Haplogroup represents the group of individuals having similar alleles or SNP profile). Furthermore the study revealed a novel haplogroup characterized by variations 9266 and 11827, which was named as M81.

    As for Koreans, I’m not at all impressed with their rather poor military history, which is easily researched on websites other than “Yahoo Answers”. Now go punch another hole in the sheetrock of your dingy apartment. The Aryans win.

    • Replies: @tamo
  224. @Sean

    Feminine women are not as available, their response to advances is more a hesitant acquiescence. And they tend to be looking for commitment. Local women are regarded by European expatriates in Hong Kong as little brown fucking machines I am told.

    Hong Kong? No way Jose, you’re thinking of Filipinas.

    And in typical Sean fashion you don’t have a single statistic or study to back up anything you say.

    That is not the issue as sexual selection of women would be expected to pull the male 2d:4D with it. By the way the smallest hands I have ever seen belonged to a Polish woman. The World Wife Carrying Championships are held in Finland, make of that what you will

    And? How do they perform? Poland was one of the top countries in the world in weightlifting from 1960s-2000s. Finland wasn’t. Finland doesn’t have the same presence fhat Polish men have in Powerlifting or World’s Strongest Man, either. I’d prefer to take a shit.

    The men or the women? You cannot have it both ways with sexual selection, which only works one way at a time. When I compare Europeans to Africans it seems rather obvious that the focuses of selection were on the opposite sexes.

    How? Where’s your source? Every anthro textbook from 1800s (Blumenbach) to 1980s (Gould) describes Negroids as more feminine and neotenous than Europeans. Black African American women and even African american men also produce more estradiol than white women and men, according to multiple studies.

    And one man

    Who means absolutely nothing at all, and in all probability had a feminized digit ratio.

    who happened to be the world’s greatest sniper; killing is the ultimate man’s work.

    Not with a rifle. There are plenty of Soviet females impressive sniper kills. The common denominators seem to be: ww2 and Northeast Europe in winter. Be there be square.

    In the meantime, Finns have one of the poorest military track records in European history.

    I spent ages arguing with j2 (10X longer that this thread) about whether Lee Harvey Oswald could have killed JFK with a bolt action rifle. In many ways he is against the characteristics that make Finns unique. I suspect him of being prejudiced against East Finland.

    I suspect you of having a bizarre fetish for this utterly unremarkable and inconsequential ethnic group, which facilitates your delusional thoughts.

    • Replies: @j2
  225. tamo says:

    On White man-Asian woman parings, all you have to do is just watch white man-Asian woman couples on the street. If you are honest with yourself , you will come to the conclusion that BY AND LARGE, these WM-AW couples are physically rather UNATTRACTIVE.

    Most of these couples are made of BELOW AVERAGE LOOKING SISSY WHITE guys whom no decent looking white women would go out with and equally UNATTRACTIVE Asian women whom no decent looking Asian men would date.

    Of course, there are some EXCEPTIONS and so once in awhile you will find good looking WM-AW couples. But they are FEW and FAR BETWEEN. Most these Western expatriates in Asia are UNATTRACTIVE stupid white losers who never have had any chance with decent looking white women or jobs in the States or Europe and ended up somewhere in Asia and hooked up with only available Asian women—the UNAPPEALING ones. They are very welcome to all the HOMELY Asian women . By the way, fat and smelly white female western expatriates don’t look any better than their male compatriots. Both sexes of these white expatriates are losers in both LOOKS and PROFESSIONAL ABILITIES. How pathetic !!!

    • Replies: @SSM COULTON
  226. j2 says:
    @SSM COULTON

    “In the meantime, Finns have one of the poorest military track records in European history. ”

    You naturally mean the Finnish soldiers in the Swedish army at the time Sweden-Finland was a Northern European power:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hakkapeliitta
    “The Hakkapeliitta cavalry men led by Field Marshal Gustaf Horn were vital to the Swedish victories in Germany during the Thirty Years’ War. “

    • Replies: @Sean
  227. tamo says:
    @SSM COULTON

    Only thing you are good at is selectively quoting from YOUR LINK about the genetic make-up of Gurkhas. That’s a sign of a stupid.

    YOUR LINK also says

    “The present study reveals phylogenetic relationship of Gorkhas of Tibeto-Mongol origin with neighboring Himalayan population. Our findings are in concordance with the previous studies on Indian Gorkhas which suggested genetic closeness of Gorkha population with that of Mongoloid origin based on HLA-A and B antigens7. A characteristic HLA A33-HLA B44 haplotype of Korean and Japanese population was shown to occur with significant positive association in Gorkhas7. An earlier study by Wang and colleagues11 revealed that vast majority of Nepali gene pool comprised genetic component of East Eurasian (36.56%) and South Asian (51.63%) ancestry and 3 out of 5 Nepalese populations were clustered with the Tibetan population. The Himalayan region of the Indian subcontinent contains a complex linguistic pattern indicative of the region being an ancient source of genetically differentiated population and language. The Himalayan mountain ranges separate the Tibetan plateau from the Indian subcontinent forming a linguistic boundary between the Tibeto-Burman and Indo-European language families; language and geography might have played equally important roles in defining the genetic composition of present day Himalayan population”.

    Nepal is a multi racial country (vast majority of Nepali gene pool comprised genetic component of East Eurasian (36.56%) and South Asian (51.63%) ancestry ). It DOES NOT mean the Gurkas are a mixture of East Eurasian(36.56%) and South Asian (51.63%) themselves. This means the Gorkkas( Gurkhas) belong to the 36.56% East Eurasian group not the 51.63% South Asian group.

    The CONCLUSION from YOUR LINK about the Gurhkas.

    Conclusion
    “The present study reveals phylogenetic relationship of Gorkhas of Tibeto-Mongol origin with other neighboring Tibeto-Mongol Himalayan population. The study substantiates genetic affinity of the Gorkhas with the Tibeto-Burman linguistic phyla reflecting recent past genetic history and origin of the Gorkhas from Mongolian and/or Tibetan stocks”.

    Either you have understanding plain English or you are too dumb to know that other people can find out your idiotic selective quoting to suit your moronic agenda.

    For your information I served 2 different armies, one as an infantryman and the other as a paratrooper. I bet you are an armchair warier who does not even have any military experience talks about a lot of s–t about military matters with your loser aryan buttholes.

    The toughness and tenacity of the Korean troops are very well-known among American Vietnam War veterans. If I go into combat, I want to take South Korean airborne or marine units . They are among the best light infantry units in the world. In my opinion, a Korean Cub Scout member can whip your fat smelly sissy ARYAN butt,lol !!!

    • Replies: @SSM COULTON
  228. Anonymous[347] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    The term “little brown fucking machines” originates from US military personnel and sex tourists and generally refers to the SE Asian prostitutes that serviced the military and sex tourists.

  229. Anonymous[263] • Disclaimer says:
    @S. M. Coulton

    That’s a common phenomenon in East Asia. Relative masculinity/femininity is different in an East Asian environment for Western women, which affects the social relations and dynamics:

    “No Sex in the City: What It’s Like to Be Female and Foreign in Japan”

    http://www.vagabondish.com/female-foreign-japan/

    [MORE]

    “Cute baristas at Starbucks wouldn’t look at me, business men on bicycles ran over me and college students hurriedly backed away from me with mumbled apologies whenever I tried to strike up a conversation about the weather or ask for directions. They wouldn’t even give me the time of day. Literally.

    “You’ve got to be assertive,” my Japanese girlfriends advised. “Japanese guys are shy so you have to make the first move.” So I smiled invitingly at men in bars and on busses. I asked for help reading restaurant menus and subway signs.

    “Do you have any book / drink reccomendatioins?” was my usual line as I stood near them in bookstores or sat next to them on barstools. But the ‘come hither’ stare or conversation starter doesn’t work if the other person refuses to look at you. If they met my gaze at me at all, it was just to shoot me this panicked look, like I’d just asked them to father my unborn children. My boss had been right. It was hard to be a single, western woman in Japan. But why?

    I turned to the Internet for advice and was surprised to learn that the Dateless Western Woman was a familiar character in the expat world, at least judging from the score of postings on expat forums by lonely, single females.

    But as wide-spread as the problem seemed to be, it was one that many women avoided talking about. Understandably it was a tough subject to discuss without grossly overgeneralizing fifty percent of a country’s population or worse, sounding like a racist or a man-hating, snob.

    The pervading theory though, among expats and Japanese alike, was that Japanese men were in fact attracted to western women but were just too intimidated to do anything about it. Western women in Asia were like the Jennifer Anistons of the expat world. Strong, independent, assertive and outspoken, they were interesting to admire from afar, but no man would ever dream of striking up a conversation with one. Western women were so different, so foreign, they were virtually un-datable.

    Not true for their Y-chromosome-carrying expat buddies though. While the female expats spent Saturday nights alone, crying into their Ramen bowls, their male counterparts drank freely from the dating pool like they owned it. Which in a way, they did.

    If you’ve ever visited Asia, you’ve likely seen the pale, rail-thin, greasy-haired white boy walking hand-in hand with a perfectly made-up, mini-skirt wearing Asian chick. This would never happen anywhere else in the world. Because everywhere else, Barbie ends up with Ken, not his underemployed, socially-awkward, samurai-sword-collecting neighbor, Kevin. But in Asia, dating rules defy all logic or evolutionary law. In Asia, the nerd is king.”

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
    , @Sean
  230. @Anonymous

    Anonymous,

    That white woman in Japan just got a taste of her own medicine. Most of those white chicks in the west act towards any nerd trying to talk to them or pick them up the same way, as the cows walk or cycle past, around and over the nerds with that bitch shield on the face, looking straight ahead and past anyone trying to size them up, give them the look, eyeball them, and they’d run away in panic, or even call the cops, if anyone wolf whistled or made a bolder approach, that’s even if they were worth it the way most of them look nowadays. Shit, people in Japan are even busier with their lives running around trying to earn their bowl of rice and here she is thinking they’ve got all the time in the world to indulge her vanity and listen to her shit, and anyway they may have their own Japanese girlfriends and wives to tend to. I bet she doesn’t act that pleasant in her own country trying to pick up guys on the street or every corner.

  231. Sean says:
    @j2

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6206510/

    Watching Commander Hamilton, I cannot take Peter Stomare seriously. He had the nerve to criticise James Bond but at least Daniel Craig looks tough. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4293313/

    Masculine men like to kill, I would say the Finns are superb snipers, but maybe not the greatest all round soldiers. The north Koreans (I have spoke to someone who fought them) are willing to die for the group, and that is why they are formidable even though they are not at all masculine.

    Finns were massively overrepresented among the olde tyme strongmen. But that was before steroids.

    • Replies: @SSM COULTON
  232. Sean says:
    @j2

    East Finland is where almost all of the specifically Finnish diseases are, but the clever dog one is commoner not just in the West, but the West coast. Interestingly, several genetic diseases are far less common (one tenth of the prevalence) in Finland as the neighbouring countries.

    Nothing wrong with a few beers.

  233. Old Jew says:
    @j2

    Dear J2,

    So Ladoga was Finnish before Peter the Great.

    Grew up on numerous stories about heroic Leningrad.

    Bringing desperately needed food over that frozen lake….

    Intuitively I assumed that lake Ladoga was Russian, for ever.

    Thanks for the lesson.

    sf

    • Replies: @j2
  234. tamo says:

    There are a huge difference in attitude between Korean males and Japanese males. Korean guys are excellent street fighters. They fight dirty and hard and also can out-drink any MF in the world and also want to screw as many women as they can. All these are very macho things, But when they become soldiers, they are willing to sacrifice themselves for their buddies in the foxhole or for their unit. That’s the true sign of real machismo. Everything else is secondary. But timid but well-mannered modern Japanese males are a far cry from their World War 2 savage,extremely tough grandfathers. On the other hand, Korean males are very emotional and they don’t mind showing and acting on their emotions. If you ask a Korean male a straight question, you will get a straight answer right away unlike the Japanese males who tend to give you a polite but evasive answer.

  235. j2 says:
    @Old Jew

    “So Ladoga was Finnish before Peter the Great.
    Grew up on numerous stories about heroic Leningrad.
    Bringing desperately needed food over that frozen lake….
    Intuitively I assumed that lake Ladoga was Russian, for ever.”

    Russians often made false claims. In the castle of Viborg/Viipuri there was still a sign in 1970s (when I first was there) claiming that Viborg is an old Russian city. It was an old Finnish city, the castle was built by Swedes in 1293 and it was a Karelian market place at least since 900 AD. The Northern shore of Ladoga was always Finnish, up to 1944, that is, populated by Finns/Karelians though sometimes belonging to Sweden, sometimes to Russia.

    Ladoga and the land where St. Petersburg is built was Finnish/Karelian from the beginning of what can be tracked. Historical records go to 1100-1300 AD, but Karelians were there already BC, something like 2000 BC. Finns and Karelians (they are originally the same people) were between Sweden and Novgorod (today Veliky Novgorod), Moscow was yet to come as any power. Sweden conquered the areas from the east between 1620-1640. Russians (now already Moscow) made a war in 1656-58 but lost it, most orthodox Karelians left, but my fathers family apparently were orthodox, who stayed and converted to the Lutherian faith. Peter the Great conquered the areas in the 18th century in the Great Northern War when Sweden lost its military power position that it had had for 100 years. Then Peter built St. Petersburg on lands that had been Swedish for 100 years and Finnish/Karelian forever.

    • Replies: @Sean
  236. @tamo

    Tamo

    Indeed, the greatest Japanese street fighter was a Korean, Choi Yeong-eui aka Mas Oyama, and not a bad karateka for a non-Jap. And during the post-war Yank occupation he was defending with his fists Japanese women from marauding gangs of US military rapists while the Jap males cowered away.

    • Replies: @tamo
    , @Sean
  237. tamo says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Thank you for replying. Even though ethnic Koreans are about 0.5% of the Japanese population, more than 30% of Japanese Yakusa gang members are ethnic Koreans. Specially they are strong in Osaka that is the second biggest city in Japan. Ethnic Korean Yakusa members are infamous for their savagery and brutality well beyond the level of Japanese gangsters.

  238. @tamo

    TAMO

    Japanese are more refined than South Koreans. South Koreans used to be the laborers in Japan, but Filipinos replaced them. Philippines is a scourge because of Koreans. Japanese all moved away because of them.

  239. tamo says:

    That’s when Korea was poor. Korea is now a developed country with a per capita income comparable
    to that of Italy. Most of Koreans in Japan are Pachinko or small business owners. But there are many ethnic Korean billionaires in Japan like the chairman of the SoftBank, Masayoshi Son. You can find many Philippine domestics and laborers in Korea. Also a lot of Korean gangsters have business interests in Philippines.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  240. Sean says:
    @Commentator Mike

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1945_Katsuyama_killing_incident Killing of three African American Marines by Okinawans villagers.
    Yakuza are largely Burakumin

    [MORE]

    https://www.unz.com/pfrost/burakumin-paekchong-and-cagots/

    The Burakumin of Japan, the Paekchong of Korea, and the Cagots of France … What do they have in common? All three were despised castes—closed groups of people who married among themselves. A despised caste is not just a low class. […] Despite this lack of new blood, a despised caste can perpetuate itself indefinitely because its members usually have enough resources—through their monopoly over equally despised occupations—to get married, form families, and have enough children to replace themselves. This was not the case with urban lower classes of pre-industrial times, which typically had large numbers of childless single men.

    Because a caste is closed and self-perpetuating, it may preserve genetic traits that disappear everywhere else. It thus becomes more and more different not because it is changing but because its host population is changing.

    http://www.unz.com/pfrost/two-paths/
    In East Asians, pro-social behavior is supported not so much by empathy as by notions of duty toward the community (Frost, 2014b). This trajectory of gene-culture co-evolution seems to have its own biological markers, notably certain changes to the dopamine signaling system. In a recent study, a sample of Euro-Americans was compared with a sample of East Asians born in China, Korea, or Japan. The participants were genotyped for the dopamine D4 receptor gene (DRD4) and then administered a test on their social orientation. The test showed that the East Asians were less individualistic than the Euro-Americans, but this psychological difference was limited to carriers of DRD4 variants that increase dopamine signalling, i.e., 7- or 2-repeat alleles. Non-carrier East Asians were just as individualistic as non-carrier Euro-Americans (Kitayama et al., 2014). It seems that the East Asian cultural environment can reduce individualism only among individuals who carry these variants. This finding is puzzling in one sense. Previous work has shown that the same DRD4 variants are associated with risk seeking and heavy drinking. The authors suggest that these variants make people more willing to imitate their peers, be they drinking buddies or ma and pa:

    Korea has the highest rate of alcoholism in the WORLD. Drinking is like fighting, if done with their pals watching men will not stop until they are almost passed out. This is why Finns are unique.

  241. tamo says:

    Paechong means butcher in old Korean. Yes, indeed they were outcast in the olden days. Koreans don’t use the world anymore. In modern Korea, there is no stigma attached to being a butcher. Brakumin is the outcast group in Japan.

    According to Yakusa in Wikipedia

    Constituent members

    “According to a 2006 speech by Mitsuhiro Suganuma, a former officer of the Public Security Intelligence Agency, around 60 percent of Yakuza members come from burakumin, the descendants of a feudal outcast class and approximately 30 percent of them are Japanese-born Koreans, and only 10 percent are from non-burakumin Japanese and Chinese ethnic groups”.

  242. Sean says:
    @j2

    What the Cold War West Germans called Finlandization, would be the unique Finnish way in politics. Finland is in the EU, but not NATO. It shares a border with Russia of course. Finland felt too threatened for aligning itself against Russia, so it was not hostile either in military arrangements of the range of domestic opinion that was articulated. There was a unofficial self secret-policing of Finnish culture to avoid annoying the Bear. So they are used to altering their society to conforming with foreign requirements. I think anti-racism will become the new Finlandisation in Finland.

    The opposite reason seem to be motivating Germany which is is virtually disarming. https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/less-third-german-military-assets-operational-says-report/
    Now cocooned within NATO and without a hostile state on its borders for the first time in history the subtlely mercantilist German state is defence freeloading on the US like there is no tomorrow.

    Denmark’s failure to oppose the Germans (orNazis) in a determined fashion was super Finlandisation. Since then they have adopted the current Germans freeloading and sactimonious green policies with alacrity

    https://time.com/5658683/former-danish-prime-minister-trump-spending/
    Trump, who has urged NATO members to do more to meet the alliance’s goal of committing 2 percent of gross domestic product to defense, earlier tweeted that “Denmark is only at 1.35%.”
    “We will not accept that our defense willingness is only about percentages,” Loekke Rasmussen tweeted. “I told you at the NATO Summit in Brussels last year.”

    Greenland is in North Atlantic shipping lanes from China that have been opening up by the (mainly Chinese) fossil fuel use melting polar ice caps. Greenland is not going to be Danish for long.

    Even with the loss of it’s northern coast, I think Finland might become a more important country if it could find a way to exploit the northern route, which will become very important in a couple of decades, but Finns seems to be stuck in the Cold War German environmentalism and the 2050 deadline to reduce carbon emissions to zero. They should look to the past and the trade in naval stores by Sweden-Finland in the days of sailing ships.

    https://www.rcinet.ca/eye-on-the-arctic/2019/04/12/renewable-energy-global-study-transition-100/
    A global transition to the exclusive use of renewable energy sources is not only possible but also cheaper and safer than reliance on fossil fuels and nuclear energy, according to a new study from the Lappeenranta University of Technology (LUT) and the Energy Watch Group (EWG) from Germany.

    Trump’s much mocked assertion that Finland’s vast forests don’t catch fire because the Finns rake up the accumulating tinder up alludes to a truth . As Nassim Taleb said “If you repress every forest fire, the first major fire that you cannot control will destroy the whole forest. […] Look at Switzerland—it has constant volatility and tension, but at the lowest possible level. I would rather have a lot of small problems than one large problem. “

  243. @tamo

    YOUR LINK also says

    There is nothing in my link that says anything about that, you are hallucinating as usual. Don’t forget that HLA antigens are a tiny part of the genome and that your shitty study doesn’t trump the autosomal proof that Gurkhas are majority Caucasoid.

    Nepal is a multi racial country (vast majority of Nepali gene pool comprised genetic component of East Eurasian (36.56%) and South Asian (51.63%) ancestry ). It DOES NOT mean the Gurkas are a mixture of East Eurasian(36.56%) and South Asian (51.63%) themselves. This means the Gorkkas( Gurkhas) belong to the 36.56% East Eurasian group not the 51.63% South Asian group.

    Somebody dropped out of high school. Gurkha is a term that designates a soldier of Nepalese ancestry; it’s not an ethnic group. The study took Nepalese subjects and measured their autosomal ancestry, then averaged the results of all participants. They are over 50% Caucasoid on average. Gurkhas are over 50% Caucasoid.

    The toughness and tenacity of the Korean troops are very well-known among American Vietnam War veterans

    You have no way of proving that; in the meantime military historians have written much about the poor performance of Koreas militaries over the centuries.

    For your information I served 2 different armies, one as an infantryman and the other as a paratrooper

    Stolen valor. They don’t allow retards in the military.

    If I go into combat, I want to take South Korean airborne or marine units . They are among the best light infantry units in the world. In my opinion, a Korean Cub Scout member can whip your fat smelly sissy ARYAN butt,lol !!!

    They haven’t won a single war since the US liberated them from the Japanese yoke, and if it weren’t for American troops at Operation Ripper they would have been enslaved by the Soviet-Chinese-North Korean war machine. Koreans can’t fight.

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  244. @tamo

    Yeah they’re so tough they can’t even impregnate one female.

    South Korea fertility rate 2018: 0.9

    Japan fertility rate 2018: 1.44

    Koreans = eunuchs of East Asia

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  245. @Sean

    Finns were massively overrepresented among the olde tyme strongmen. But that was before steroids

    No they were not, post sources.

    Also, your study isn’t replicable.

    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0146328

    Stimuli consisted of 110 gender-ambiguous faces, which were created by blending ten pairs of male and female faces from the University of Western Australia’s Facelab database. The original headshots were photographed against a white background in a uniformly lit room. Using Morpheus Photo Animation Suite software [45], we created a set of eleven faces from each pair: the two original “parents” and nine equally spaced blends, each representing a unique blend of male and female features (100% male, 90% male / 10% female, etc.), appearing 170 x 120mm on the screen. Examples of these morphs and their male and female parent faces appear in Fig 1.

    Finnish males just look androgynous.

    • Replies: @j2
  246. Sean says:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45512312
    Despite previous attempts to limit access to treatment, Denmark now has the biggest proportion of babies born through assisted reproductive technology (ART) in the world.

    Visit any park in Denmark and the chances are many of the children playing there were born using IVF or donor sperm. Denmark leads the world in the use of ART to build families – an estimated 10% of all births involve such techniques.

    Finns don’t fire blanks.

    • Replies: @SSM COULTON
    , @j2
  247. @Sean

    @Sean

    Actually, Danish men lead the world in sperm donation.

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/i-want-viking-baby-single-5037149

    ‘I want a Viking baby’: Single British women flocking to world’s biggest sperm bank in Denmark

    Demand for the ‘luxury Scandinavian product’ has exploded thanks to an unexpected clientele – single, British women

    So why do hundreds of British women each year chose to become single mothers? And why do they flock here to start their unconventional modern families?

    The answer, according to Holly Ryan, 37, from London, is simple – and slightly unnerving: “The Danes are superior race and I want my child to be a part of that race.

    “You only have to look at them to understand. They’re extremely good looking and they carry themselves with an air of confidence you just don’t get in Britain.

    “I knew as soon as I decided to have a baby on my own that I wanted the donor to be Danish

  248. @tamo

    That seems to be the coping strategy that East Asian males have developed, but it isn’t born out by the data. White male + Asian Female couples are rated more attractive than Asian male + Asian female couples and also White male + White female couples.

    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0265407514541074

    The desperation in tamo’s posts is palpable. Expat males in East Asia also outearn the locals.

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  249. @tamo

    TAMO

    Koreans in Philippines in general are a headache and a nuisance. Among Northeast Asians, Koreans are the dimmest and most prone to criminal behavior. Japanese and Chinese would agree.

    I lived in Cebu long enough to observe this.

    They’re dimwitted and prone to stupid behavior.

    Visit the foreign section of a jail in Philippines. It will be all Koreans with a few US blacks and maybe one or two white pedophiles. The Koreans will be in not for pedophilia but for stupid behavior or drugs.

    Even in my own neighborhood, a troublesome Korean was busted for drugs.

    Koreans don’t have the common sense or intelligence of Japanese or Chinese.

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  250. tamo says:
    @SSM COULTON

    I can see the only thing you are good at is lying and refusing to see the truth.

    The CONCLUSION from YOUR OWN LINK about the GENETIC make-up of Gurhkas.

    Conclusion
    “The present study reveals phylogenetic relationship of Gorkhas of Tibeto-Mongol origin with other neighboring Tibeto-Mongol Himalayan population. The study substantiates genetic affinity of the Gorkhas with the Tibeto-Burman linguistic phyla reflecting recent past genetic history and origin of the Gorkhas from Mongolian and/or Tibetan stocks”.

    The CONCLUSION of your link says in PLAIN English, Gurkhas are MONGOLOID.

    Just take a look at the Gurkhas . Do they look like Mongoloid-Caucasoid half-breed to you.? They look like Mongolians from Mongolia.

    Yes, the American military campaigns in the Korean War were important. But ULTIMATELY South Korean military saved South Korea not the U.S. To put things in perspective, the South Korean war casualties were 4 times greater than those of the American military. Also South Korea paid back America by sending it’s outstanding troops to South Vietnam to to a lot of difficult and dirty jobs for the U.S. military. In doing so, the South Korean military took the second heaviest casualties after the U.S.

    I’m going to quote from Quora forum in which various Americans discuss about the South Korean (ROK) troops in the Vietnam War:

    “My godfather fought in the Vietnam war. I once asked him why he thought the South Koreans were so much more ready and willing to fight for their country than the South Vietnamese (This was when I was young and didn’t understand the different minutia between the two). Anyway I digress. One of the things he told me in that answer however was That the South Koreans were the fiercest fighters he has ever seen in his life. He said they were brutal and had little to no care or conviction to international law or morals.”

    Originally Answered: How were ROK(South Korean) troops in Vietnam war? Were they scary?
    “My brother was an Army counter intelligence agent in Viet Nam and he pretty much had the run of the country during his investigations.

    My takeaway from his accounts of the ROKs was that they were animals in the sense of having no feelings, no morals, no mercy.

    One technique he recounted was that, as they first entered a village, they would grab a villager at random and kill them in front of the other villagers – just to show the rest that they meant business.”

    “Here is his explanation to me of what the ROK Marines were doing: “When they went on an operation, they would kill every living thing that they saw: every man, woman, child, pig, chicken, goat and duck. They would kill every single living thing.”

    The JAG officer:

    “Whenever one of the ROK Marines deserted, they would catch him and bring they would catch him and bring him back and execute him and hang his body on the front gate of their compound as an example to others. So they sent me to explain it to them that they had to stop executing people without a trial.

    “So I met with their commanders and explained to them: “We [Americans] are a democracy. South Korea is a democracy. In democracies we do not summarily execute people. You need to start giving accused deserters each a fair trial before before you do anything. The South Korean commanders nodded their heads and agreed and expressed understanding. So they duly started giving each deserter a fair trial before executing him and hanging his corpse on the front gate.”

    “In a word, yes. South Korea (Republic of Korea, a.k.a. ROK) was the US’ largest coalition partner in Vietnam. Most ROK officers and NCOs had ample combat experience from their own war 15 years previous.

    My father who was in the Korean War noted that American vets often told him they liked working with ROK troops, observed that ROK sectors were unusually quiet and that ROK units were really good at finding VC and weapons caches.

    How and why? My father said, and was rather dismayed to hear from his friends who went to Vietnam that they’d do things like line up a village that had sniped ROK troops, and simply ask “who is VC and where are the weapons?”

    If no answer was forthcoming, they’d shoot the first person in line, and the next, and the next, until someone cracked.”
    “My US MP buddy, ’72, confirms this anecdotally. He said they were patrolling with ROK MPs when a Vietnamese guy started mouthing off to them. The ROK MP drew his .45 and blew the guy away on the spot, no questions asked.

    I met a US Navy Corpsman who’d served in Vietnam in a bar few years back. When I told him about my dad, he shook my hand, recalled, “Yeah, the ROKs, I liked those guys, but they were crazy. Really good, absolutely crazy…”

    Yes. South Korean troops are savage, brutal, tenacious, effective and fight to the end.
    A lot of South Koreans served in the Imperial Japanese Army during the World War 2, When Korea was liberated from Japan in 1945 after 35 years of Japanese occupation, the Koreans who served in the Japanese army became the founding members of the South Korean army and they basically trained the modern Korean army in the imperial Japanese army fashion. In my opinion,the modern South Korean Army is the true successor of the imperial Japanese army, not the emasculated modern Japanese army.

  251. tamo says:
    @SSM COULTON

    You just worry about your own race’s low birth rate and race mixing. It look looks like the way your white girls are going after black guys, there will be no whites left in the U.S by 2070. They all be MULATTOS , your favorite people lol !!!! even worse than Brazil. The basically homogeneous East Asians still be here long after your “arians” have become MULATTOS, LOL !!!! What a stupid piece of s—t, “aryans” committing their own racial suicide, LOL !!!!

  252. tamo says:
    @SSM COULTON

    LOL !!! Hey, just look at geeky ugly Zuckerherg and his homely Chinese wife. Yea, they are soooooo good- looking . LOL !!! I repeat, the VAST MAJORITY of WM-AF couples are physically UNATTRACTIVE ( both parties are losers in LOOKS department). All you have to is just watch, when WM-AW couples pass by. If you say most of them are good looking, then you are full of it. Oh, yea, some of them are nice looking but they are FEW and FAR BETWEEN. What’s so great about the white women most of them are grossly overweight and have DISGUSTING BODY ODOR? What’s so great about white guys most of whom are also grossly fat and have obnoxious BODY ODOR? I bet you can not even find a homely girl either Asian or white. Well, you might try a black one, your favorite people and produce many many MULATTO kids. You have my ETERNAL blessing, LOL !!!

  253. tamo says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    “” You are such a lying low-life loser in both LOOKS (5″9″ short) and PROFESSIONAL ABILITIES . I think you are a garbageman in Detroit, your LOVELY hometown. You once told me you have never been to the SE Asia. You change your story all the time and lie like Trump. You are nothing but an ignorant low-class white guy who still leaves with his own mother in a run-down trailer because you can not afford to rent an apartment,oh poor your mom!!

    I bet you have never been out of Michigan. You read some articles on the internet then gain some half-baked ideas, then you try to bullshit your way in. The typical example is that the other day you claimed Finns came from Hungary. When I read that I knew you are a fake who has NEVER BEEN OVERSEAS but read something on the internet and try to wing it. I bet you are an INCEL LOL !!! You have never been to and don’t know anything about China, Korea, Japan, Philippines. All your half-baked ideas come from just reading articles on the internet not from travelling overseas.How pitiful !!!

  254. j2 says:
    @SSM COULTON

    “Finnish males just look androgynous.”

    You compare an extreme male Caucasian face with a typical Finnish male face. You should compare the extreme Caucasian male face with an extreme male Finnish face. If you look at averages of European male faces, you see that the averages are not especially extreme male in many countries:
    https://pmsol3.wordpress.com/2011/04/07/world-of-averages-europeave/
    Testosterone levels are similar in all Caucasians, so, excluding the macho/egalitarian culture differences, they are all pretty much similar in masculinity/femininity dimension.

  255. j2 says:
    @Sean

    “Finns don’t fire blanks.”

    The same problem is starting also in Finland. It is coming later than in Denmark, but the direction is the same: sperm gets worse and testosterone levels of young cohorts a lower than earlier. The reason for this world wide (or at least developed world wide) phenomenon is not known (or not told?). It could be something in food, or pollution, or too low natural selection.

    You earlier mentioned the high population growth of Ashkenazi Jews, and there was a similar high population growth in Savo (this part of Eastern Finland where there are many genetic diseases today, it is further to the North from where I came from. The Swedish king wanted to populate these areas, so Finns were promised a release from draft and some taxes if they moved there and started farming in area that does not suit to farming. Many did and their population grew.

    I made a small calculation (as I like to do such small calculations). We can agree that a woman has an average 6 children if there is no effort to stop them. Before 1900 about half of these children died before reaching maturity, so a woman had 3 children to maturity. That is, out of 2 (woman+man) comes 3 in a generation. A woman generation is 29 years. In two generations the population grows to (3/2)*(3/2)=2.25 times. Natural logarithm ln 2.25 =0.81. Two generations is 29*2=58 years. Thus, the yearly population growth rate is 100*0.81/58= 1.39%. It is very closely the same as 100*ln 2/50=1.38 showing that the doubling time is 50 years. Ashkenazi Jews had this doubling time for 800 years. It means, no natural selection. I think Savo people in East Finland had about the same population growth for 300 years.

    Next, add army draft. In Sweden-Finland half of men were taken to army and one third of them died (mostly because of infectious diseases, much fewer died in battles, but army camps were just as bad as concentration calms when considering diseases). This means that 1/6 of women could not marry and have children. What is the effect of this to the population growth? It is simple: in the natural state a woman has 1.5 girls. If only 5/6 of women marry, an average woman has 1.5*5/6=1.25 girls. In three generations the population grows to 1.25^3=1.95. Then take ln 1.95=0.669. The time is 3*29=87 years. The population growth is 66.9/87=0.769%. The doubling time is 100*ln 2/0.769=90 years. In 800 years a population having 50 years doubling time grows to
    2^16=65,500 times larger, while a population that doubles every 90 years grows 474 times larger. The faster growing population grows 138 times faster than the slower doubling population. This, I think explains the fast growth of the Ashkenazi population. They were excluded from draft service. They developed lots of genetic diseases, deviants. In the same way, Savoeans were excluded from draft and could grow, they also developed genetic diseases, deviants were allowed to breed. There is no need to try to add some selection for any directions. Mutants are mutants.

    To come to the lowering of sperm quality, well, there is no natural selection today. The Y-chromosome is single and accumulates mutations much easier than autosomal chromosomes. Not all males should have children, and not all females should have children. A small population growth (even negative) is basically good. Keeps up the quality.

  256. Sean says:

    Some good ideas there. j2.

    The Swedish king wanted to populate these areas, so Finns were promised a release from draft and some taxes if they moved there and started farming in area that does not suit to farming. Many did and their population grew.

    I would note there was severe famine in 1696–1697, but yes it is likely that with new land for the taking farmers would have the biggest possible families in order to have help with all the extra work. I am not sure if the East Finn diseases was caused by being on the crest of a wave of expansion and some kind of selection for being a frontier farmer.

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  257. tamo says:

    I take so called scientific research findings with a grain of salt because any agenda driven- researchers can come up with any results they want by tweaking their research models.

  258. j2 says:
    @Sean

    “I am not sure if the East Finn diseases was caused by being on the crest of a wave of expansion and some kind of selection for being a frontier farmer.”

    The selection is not for being a frontier farmer, it is just a selection of a small starting population. Every population has a set of recessive deleterious genes. In a larger population there are fewer homozygotes and the effect of these genes is smaller. If a small starting population grows by endogamic breeding (as it must if there are no other populations to intermarry, but Savoeans did marry Saami people to a small extent) then existing recessive deleterious genes tend to become more common in the population. This is so because you have to marry somebody from the population, regardless of the family having a history of genetic diseases. So, recessive genes are not purged out as there are no alternative people to marry. New deleterious mutations also appear in a small population and they can reach significant penetration for the same reason: you have to marry somebody from the population, even while knowing that the family has bad genes.

    This means that fast growing populations starting from a small gene pool have a tendency of developing genetic diseases. It is still better that the population grows, if it does not grow and is small, it may die out of mutational overload. Population growth tends to keep some lineages healthy, so you can have also talented people coming from such a bottlenecked population. As it was with Ashkenazi Jews, many talented ones moved to the USA and those who stayed were put to camps and many died, so the result is what you see.

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  259. Sean says:
    @j2

    It is just not that simple. You have made several good points, but there are certain real world anomalies for your thesis, because for a few of the Finnish diseases inherited in X-linked or autosomal dominant manner, the population history of Finland does not explain their high prevalence in that country.

    Most of the Finnish diseases are central nervous system diseases, which seems a little odd. More curiously, there are common north European genetic diseases that are at an exceptionally low prevalence in Finland. Cystic fibrosis is only 10% of what it is elsewhere. Phenylketonuria is extremely uncommon in Finland.

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  260. j2 says:
    @Sean

    ” a few of the Finnish diseases inherited in X-linked or autosomal dominant manner, the population history of Finland does not explain their high prevalence in that country.”

    Of 36 genetic diseases in Finnish disease heritage there are in total 7, which are not recessive
    2 are autosomal dominant
    3 are X related (one is copying of X, that is XY or XX)
    2 are progressive (do not appear strongly before children are already made)
    Of these progressive are not easily purged and X mutations stay in females as recessive. Of the two dominant tibilial muscular dystrophy must be a new mutation as earlier children died early of kidney failure (requires kidney transplant). This leaves amyloidosis, which may or may not be severe. In the mild form it will not be purged. The issue of accumulating such diseases is that if everybody marries and has children, who possibly can, and the choice of a mate is limited to the local population, these diseases easily stay in the population. It is enough that a well-to-do family has such a mutation, they will have offspring and pass the mutation on for generations. So, I do not think you have a point here.

    “Most of the Finnish diseases are central nervous system diseases, which seems a little odd.”

    It is not that odd. About 80% of human genes affect the brain or the nervous system.

    “More curiously, there are common north European genetic diseases that are at an exceptionally low prevalence in Finland. Cystic fibrosis is only 10% of what it is elsewhere. Phenylketonuria is extremely uncommon in Finland.”

    This reflects the founding population and demonstrates clearly that Finns are genetically a bit different. Cystis fibrosis is rare in Finland and comes from Scandinavians, not from Finnish original gene pool. It may be from European neolithic farmers as it is so common in European Whites. Cystis fibrosis is uncommon in whole Finland, not only in the bottlenecked East Finnish population.

    In any case, no studies have confirmed any heterozygote benefit to any of the diseases affecting the brain or the nervous system that were proposed by Cochran et al as an explanation for Ashkenazi Jewish higher IQ. Furthermore, the ratio of the carrier frequency to the disease prevalence outrules such a heterozygote benefit. We can forget this hypothesis. Mutations are mostly recessive and they are almost always deleterious, and very many of them affect the brain and the nervous system, but these do not in any way imply that they are favored by natural selection.

    Natural selection requires that a sizable part of the population makes fewer children than another part. This is most easily achieved if all adults do not marry as then there is the possibility of selecting the mate. Army draft service was selective, as less fortunate (without a house, poor, less clever) men more often ended up to army for 10-20 years and some 1/4-1/3 died there of diseases and other reasons. That left women without enough men, which led to a selection of girls from better families, though very pretty girls probably did find a husband. Thus, intelligence and beauty were selected. But if there is less of such selection, those, who typically do many children in cities, are parents who are not that rich (or will be poor because having so many children). In a country like Poland, where there usually was enough food, such children would grow to maturity. So, there could not be much selection for intelligence.

    Ashkenazi Jewish intelligence, having a verbal bias, is most probably cultural: verbal IQ is strongly affected by learning possibilities, more than spatial-visual. Getting education improved the apparent intelligence, the IQ score, especially verbal, but it lowers the genetic intelligence of the population as the best way to select for genetic intelligence is that parents teach their children: intelligent parents teach better, so their (more intelligent in average) children get also better education to start with. We see, all culture is dysgenic to genetic intelligence. This is why populations of areas, where culture is old (like the Middle East) are already a bit degenerated and the undegenerated ones are there where culture is new. It has been all the way decline since the Cro Magnon time. People got tamed and lost much of theis intelligence, then culture made them straight out degenerate, and today there is no directive selection, so mutant genes fill the population. Male sperm drops in quality, men become feminized, it will be the ruin.

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  261. Sean says:

    Sweden lacks the Nganasan component of ancestry, but most of the countries neighbouring Finland do not. The relevant diseases are, relatively speaking, strikingly rare in Finland even compared to countries quite similar to Finland in ancestry.

  262. Sean says:
    @j2

    I cannot accept that Cro magnons were more intelligent or mentally capable in any respect than civilized humans are. The only evidence for thinking Cromagnons brainy is they had large brains , but Richard Wrangham has provided convincing,explanation by suggesting a process of phaedomophic selection against violence, which can be seen in many of other primates. Genetically mediated behaviour we assess as decadent does not have to wait for civilisation. Bonobos are sexual perverts. But they are highly social and learn quickly.

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  263. Sean says:

    In any case, no studies have confirmed any heterozygote benefit to any of the diseases affecting the brain or the nervous system that were proposed by Cochran et al as an explanation for Ashkenazi Jewish higher IQ. Furthermore, the ratio of the carrier frequency to the disease prevalence out rules such a heterozygote benef

    Then it is doubly odd that cousin marriage was rife among Ashkenazi Jews, and endemic among the wealthier families. The Rothschilds were no fluke.

  264. j2 says:
    @Sean

    “The only evidence for thinking Cromagnons brainy is they had large brains , but Richard Wrangham has provided convincing,explanation by suggesting a process of phaedomophic selection against violence, which can be seen in many of other primates. ”

    A wolf has a bigger brain than dogs. A dingo also has a bigger brain than a dog, though smaller than a wolf, from which it derives through early dogs. The brain of all tamed animals decreases because aggressive is selected against in breeding and as a result the animals are not only less aggressive but also lose much of their natural behavior. Tame dogs are worse hunters than wolfs. All dogs (including dingos) have also lost the correct wolf’s social behavior, that is why they end up eaten by wolfs when trying to join wolfs (dingos do accept tame dogs, dingos also lost wolf’s normal behavior patterns).

    Lacking some necessary capability is not more intelligent than having it. It is only a better adaption to an environment where such capabilities are seen undesirable. But if the environment changes back, then these capabilities would be again needed.

    Reading much literature gives you capabilities that raise your verbal IQ. In a modern society young people read less books and more internet, so their verbal IQ decreases, but it is an adaptation to the new environment. You do not need to recite from classic authors any more to appear educated. Does this mean that not reading classics is a sign of higher intelligence because it is a better adaptation to the new environment?

    I can very well imagine a society where the school does not any more care to teach basic number sequences, then fewer will answer correctly to the “math” questions in IQ tests (like Fibonnaci number sequences and similar useless and elementary junk). Does lacking a capability here mean higher or lower IQ?

    It depends on what you call intelligence, but if the brain decreased and it is not packed any better, there is less stuff there, so absolutely taken, intelligence has decreased.

  265. Sean says:

    Like all Finns you think that education is supremely important.
    Dogs can do stuff wolves can’t be trained to do, like go towards danger or attack a human, because dogs would perceive running from a bear or not biting an intruder as breaking the master’s rules.

    Good luck with educating a wolf to do this stuff.

    In parts of Finland there is something that is similar to but distinct from distinct from Tay–Sachs disease and it is not most prevalent in the East of Finland where people were farmers. It is on the West coast and got started 500 years ago on the ground floor of where there was a market economy stemming from the immensely profitable pine tar trade that rewarded someone with just a little bit extra brain power with resources for reproductive success. The aforementioned Finnish Tay Sachs-like disease has a canine form most salient in dogs bred for intelligence, ie working herding dogs.

    http://www.animalabs.com/shop/dogs/neuronal-ceroid-lipofuscinosis-border-collie/

    Breeders of dogs mate them consanguineously to get the desired characteristics. Ashkenazi Jews practiced consanguineous marriage. Of course Jews will tell you that the Rothschilds and all the other inbred Jewish families like the Salmon/ Gluckstein of J.Lyons teashops, (which altered the lives of women in early 20th century England. and in 1954 had their own company manufacturing the first computer used for commercial business applications ) had their intelligence reduced by all this cousin marriage, which was done only to keep the fortune in the family. Maybe that is what they thought they were doing, but where did the fortune come from in the first place? I bet your ancestor with the first car in the city had an ancestor of two from the West coast.

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  266. j2 says:
    @Sean

    Childhood Tay-Sachs kills, while late onset Tay-Sachs decreases intelligence.

    There is only limited data of the actual IQ drop, but here you find something:
    https://neuro.psychiatryonline.org/doi/full/10.1176/jnp.10.1.10
    “Indeed, we could find only 15 individuals for whom IQ results were actually reported,9,31,36,39,40,48,49 and only 4 for whom IQ was measured serially over time.9,49 Three of these 4 patients had a decline in IQ, and 1 showed no change from age 9 to age 24.Our patient49 had an IQ in the normal range at age 8, at which time he had a speech disturbance. At age 14, two years after he became psychiatrically ill, his IQ was 57, placing him in the “mentally defective” range. He was untestable at age 17. Repeat testing at age 18 revealed persistent severe cognitive limitations in language, visuospatial abilities, psychomotor coordination, and memory, with a full scale IQ of 60. ”

    No scientific data could be found from carriers of Tay-Sachs. I guess nobody has cared to study it for the reason that the mutant gene as a single copy has no effect, so these carriers should have the same average IQ as non-carriers, so why bother to make a zero-result study.

    There is the unsupported claim of Cochran et al, often stated in the media and by Jewish bloggers, that carriers of Tay-Sachs might have higher IQ. There is no medical data that this would be the case, and indeed it is highly improbable for the following reasons:
    1) it is autosomal recessive disease. Thus, one good gene from one parent covers the recessive mutated gene. It does not appear in heterozygotes.
    2) heterozygote advantage is very rare for the reason that most mutations are deleterious, therefore it is highly improbable that they are also advantageous. (That is, if it is advantageous for a heterozygote, it is one of these very rare advantageous mutations.)

    There is good evidence to reject this claim that Tay-Sachs, or any similar diseases, increases intelligence of heterozygotes. Tay-Sachs does make the brain big, but it is a big unhealthy brain. Deleterious mutations often reach a substantial penetration from breeding close relatives, like in Ashkenazi Jews, as you mention. Nothing good in that practice.

    The man from my larger family with the first car was not my direct ancestor, he was a distant relative.

  267. Aileen Wuornos is hardly an example of common Finnish types. She may have been only 1/4 Finnish.

    http://twistedminds.creativescapism.com/most-notorious/aileen-wuornos/
    Aileen Carol Pittman was born in Rochester, Michigan, on 29th February 1956; the product of a troubled marriage between Leo Dale Pittman and Diane Wuornos, a feckless teen mother who married at 15, quite incapable of the responsibilities of motherhood. Diane abandoned Wuornos and her elder brother, Keith, to the care of her parents, Lauri and Britta Wuornos, before she was 4 years old, and they adopted the pair and raised them as their own. One of the few good things in her young life, ironically, was that her biological father never got to know her. Pittman was a psychopathic child molester who hanged himself in prison in 1969.

    The Wuornoses raised Aileen and Keith with their own children in Troy, Michigan. They did not reveal that they were, in fact, the children’s grandparents. Aileen discovered the truth at around age twelve, information which did not help an already troublesome situation. Lauri Wuornos was an abusive parent, both physically and sexually, while his wife Britta was an abusive alcoholic. Wuornos claims that sexual contact with both Lauri Wuornos, and her brother, Keith, occurred from a very early age, although there is no firm corroborative evidence for this. But her sexual precocity, from whatever source, is certain: Wuornos fell pregnant, aged 14, claiming that Keith was the father, and she was sent to a home for unwanted mothers. On 23rd March 1971 she gave birth to a baby boy, who was given up for immediate adoption.
    […]

  268. @Veritas X-

    44. Veritas X- says:
    August 16, 2019 at 11:37 am GMT • 100 Words
    What a-load-of-horseshit! 
Voi Vittu!
    […]
    Regards, and don’t believe all that is written here, concerning Finns.

    I’ll go one better: Don’t believe any of the thrash written here.
    Cheers!

  269. Durruti says:
    @j2

    j2

    Hope you received my previous message. Would like to be able to communicate – off the internet.

    Durruti – [email protected]

  270. Durruti says:
    @j2

    j2

    It is taming, it decreases the brain and removes essential capabilities for survival, so you become dependent. It has also happened to humans, and human brain has decreased, and lost many capabilities.

    This might explain American passivism (cowardice), unwillingness to recognize, or respond to the MOSSAD organized destruction of our Republic -in a hail of bullets-in the Coup D’état of November 22, 1963, (along with the assassination of our last Constitutional President, John F. Kennedy).

    Former actor & Governor, Jesse Ventura, has questioned whether American Citizen passivity is caused by the Government’s adding Flouride to our water.

    One of the most intelligent students I ever met was from Finland; she was also beautiful, & had a great sense of humor. She was here on a 1 year scholarship & realized she had sacrificed 1 year of learning, for some fun. Before she returned to Finland, she told me that she had had a great time & made many friends, but would have to catch up on her studies.

    My Dad was Belgian, Grandfather, Norwegian, & Brooklyn was my home. Think about Brooklyn, whenever I am not there.

    Yes, we Americans have been tamed (neutered). We forget.

    Freedom is not Free. It must be Paid For.

    Durruti

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