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In previous articles, we have seen how French pollster Jérôme Fourquet in his The French Archipelago has statistically documented the rise of social liberalism, the growing presence and character of Muslims, and the general decline of shared identity in France.

Another crucial phenomenon is what Fourquet calls “the cultural, geographical, and ideological secession of the [French] elites” (p. 94). On the one hand, there is a certain retrenchment as French elite media have reduced influence and reach on the general population, on the other the elite is seeking to emancipate itself from the constraints of the people, evidenced by flight into gentrified neighborhoods, private schools, and outright expatriation.

The decline of the mainstream media

There has been a steady decline of French mainstream media over the past years. The television station TF1 used to enjoy a hegemonic share of 45% of viewers in 1988, falling to a mere 20% in 2017 (p. 80). News broadcasts, entertainment, and sporting events on TF1 meant “a very large part of the population experienced the same thing at the same time” (p. 79). Conversely, increased media pluralism has meant a decline in social consensus as “the leading mass media, with their large audiences, participated in the creation of a common and shared view of the world” (p. 79).

The national newspaper Le Monde, has declined from selling 408,000 issues in 2002 to 300,000 in 2016, though if anything this does not seem too severe given the rise of online news consumption. Various magazines have similarly lost between 15% and 30% in sales. This change has put print publications under enormous economic pressure by no means made up for by meager online advertising revenue. Mass layoffs of journalists have been a frequent occurrence.

Fourquet warns that we are on the cusp of even greater changes for the media, again citing the young: “the media and news landscape which is maintaining itself with difficulty risks being completely transformed within 15 years, when the generation of Baby Boomers, which make up the last bloc of readers of the press and watchers of historic TV channels, will have passed away” (p. 82).

The practical result of greater media pluralism is a decline in social consensus. Elites live more and more in their own reality defined by legacy media that resonate emotionally with them. The lower classes are increasingly defecting and being subject to entropic variation (allegedly, about a third of French youths believe in “chemtrails” and weather-control programs [e.g. HAARP], p. 83).

Rising class segregation: gentrification, schools, expatriation

Share of people in Paris who are workers or non-managerial employees.
Share of people in Paris who are workers or non-managerial employees.

City-centers have become gentrified with high property prices. In the 1980s, workers and non-managerial employees typically made up around 55% of residents in cities like Lyon, Toulouse, Strasbourg, and Nantes. Today, they make up only around a third, having been replaced by urban professionals (p. 99).

Social inequalities are also evident in the growing popularity of private schools. In France, private schools essentially mean Catholic schools and used to be attended not so much because of class divides but because of religious preference. Now, wealthy people are more over-represented in the private school system, anxious parents doing what they can to escape the declining public schools. This phenomenon is most severe in the major cities such as Paris and Marseille, where vast swathes of the public student body has been Afro-Islamized.

France’s new black or Muslim inhabitants are generally less sensitive to issues of anti-Semitism or the sanctity of the holocaust. Bullying of Jews by Muslims is supposed to be so widespread that it is said that there is not a single Jewish pupil left in the public schools of Seine-Saint-Denis, the vast Afro-Islamic-majority county making up the northeast corner of greater Paris. Two thirds of Jewish parents who opt to send their children to Jewish schools say they fear their child will be attacked for being Jewish (p. 212).

The share of students from poorer families has collapsed in France’s elite schools. The famous École nationale d’Administration, the Haute École de Commerce (the top business school), and other elite schools have seen the share of lower-class students fall from 29% in 1950 to 9% in the 1990s. Today, children of managers and members of the upper classes make up 85% of students (p. 102). Whether this is due to cognitive stratification or nepotism, elite and working classes are more and more separated.

Besides the wealthy’s increasing self-segregation in their own physical and media spaces, Fourquet points to the disappearance of many common experiences between the classes. Cheap colonies de vacances, basically summer camps, used to be one such experience which has since fractured: the rich now opt for expensive specialized experiences (horse-riding . . .), the poor may get cheap and cheerful subsidized offers from their municipalities, and the middle class is increasingly foregoing the experience altogether.

Until 2002, young French men performed military service regardless of social class (contrary to perception, the upper classes did not serve significantly less than the general population, p. 103). Macron is the first president of the French Fifth Republic to have not fulfilled military service.

The most radical phenomenon of elite secession is expatriation, with France’s educated and wealthy classes going abroad for better work opportunities and/or lower taxes. In 2002, 385,000 French were registered as living abroad. By 2017, the figure was 1,264,000, more than tripling over just 15 years (p. 360). Great Britain, Switzerland, and Luxembourg are popular destinations, each of which have lower taxes, particularly for high earners.

What’s more, 16% of French engineers now work abroad, twice as many as in 2000 (p. 116). Many of these may be permanent expatriates and not engineers on a temporary mission abroad.

More generally in Europe, the Erasmus student exchange program has been a massive enabler of brain drain from peripheral Europe to wealthier countries in northern Europe. The program has clearly contributed to the deracination of young educated Europeans.

Belgium, as a partially French-speaking country with low taxes on certain forms of wealth, is a popular destination for tax exiles. A few prominent examples include: the actor Gérard Depardieu (though he recently sold his home there), television personality Arthur, Bernard Arnault (owner of the LVMH fashion company), and many members of the Mulliez family (owners of major retail chains Auchan, Decathlon, Leroy Merlin…). Around 50 of Switzerland’s richest 300 residents are French (pp. 113-4).

Macron’s powerful but limited base

Fourquet persuasively argues that the physical and cultural secession of the upper echelons of French society was a crucial factor in enabling the election of the centrist-globalist Emmanuel Macron to the presidency. He observes: “A symptom of the magnitude of this exodus of French vital forces and wealth is the fact that electoral candidates now do the circuit of foreign capitals to raise funds” (p. 352). During the 2017 presidential campaign, Macron went to London six times to raise funds among French expats, many of whom worked in the City, and expats in expensive destinations overwhelmingly voted for him (San Francisco, Washington DC, Montreal . . .).

During the campaign, early support for Macron correlated with the amount that people paid for property tax, on which he had specifically proposed a tax break. More generally, the single best predictor for support for Macron is educational achievement, with the less educated conversely tending to support Marine Le Pen and/or the Yellow Vests. France is cognitively, temperamentally, and economically stratified between “open-winners” and “closed-losers” (p. 272), or “people of anywhere” and “people of somewhere.”

Macron’s party, La République en Marche (“The Republic on the March,” LREM), managed to win a majority of seats in the National Assembly. These new representatives were often politically inexperienced and featured an unprecedented proportion of women and ethnic minorities. However, despite a campaign oriented around “participatory democracy and closeness to citizens,” LREM’s representatives are more elitist than ever: 69% of members of the new parliament are from the upper classes, with a marked decline in middle-class representation (p. 365). 81% of LREM party members are university graduates, as against only 28% of the general population (p. 368). What a telling example of the Iron Law of Oligarchy!

Macron’s representatives have often had a rough start in public life. One complained on the radio that the French only talked about low wages and lack of purchasing power. One female representative complained that her parliamentary pay was lower than what she had received in the private sector and that she and her peers were “unsure whether they would make it to the end [of their term].” Macron has been widely criticized as “the president of the rich.”

Macron’s success reflects the top ~20% of France consolidating as a cultural and electoral bloc. However, predictably, his particular globalist message could not lastingly resonate beyond this core group. We see similar phenomena in other countries when the European Union has parachuted globalist prime ministers, as we saw with Mario Monti in Italy and Dacian Cioloș in Romania: the globalist government simply lacks the appeal to govern alone in an officially democratic system. These governments collapse soon enough, but their core constituency may consolidate politically around ~10-20% of the electorate (represented by the Social-Democrats in Italy and USR-PLUS in Romania).

Macron has wisely broadened his message beyond the originalities of his liberal-globalist campaign. He now voices characteristically French quasi-protectionist concerns and has turned into the gyrating “president-of-all,” making contradictory statements and taking various measures to simultaneously appeal to the growing woke constituency and to the basically center-right inclinations (at least on security and identity) of the great mass of French voters. To cite only one recent example among many: Macron simultaneously warns against importation of woke American culture wars and recently told an American media that France needs to “deconstruct its history” to become more amenable to blacks and Muslims. Time will tell if this pays off in 2022, as of today the election is his to lose.

All these structural and political tendencies do not bode well for France. The internal fracture is unlikely to be overcome. The phenomenon of expatriation is serious and novel. Whatever people say, the smart fraction contributes disproportionately to a country’s economic organization and technological prowess, which in turn are fundamental underpinnings of national power.

Admittedly, France continues to attract large numbers of educated professionals from southern and eastern Europe, and many of these French expats are not “lost to Europe” insofar as they find productive employment in neighboring countries. Still, as things stand today, the decay of the much-maligned French nation-state is hardly compensated by the emergence of an Europe invertébrée.

 
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  1. More generally, the single best predictor for support for Macron is educational achievement, with the less educated conversely tending to support Marine Le Pen and/or the Yellow Vests.

    Being “higly-educated” is a prerequisite for betraying your people in favor of smelly, violent, fast-breeding orcs.

  2. Tulip says:

    High cost of living, high taxes, burdensome regulatory frameworks have made the Developed World uniquely unsuited for industrial capitalism (although Germany has done a decent job of keeping high end manufacturing going). “Higher productivity” is mostly a function of capital investment, and capital is easy to redeploy, so much of the Developed World “competitive advantage” is illusory. Plenty of money in finance still, but if you want to run a textile company, you can’t do manufacturing in France.

    I suspect we will see an outflow of entrepreneurs from the Developed World to places with a lower cost of living, lower taxes and less regulations and more suited to old fashioned industrial capitalism. At the same time, inflows from the Developing World seeking the “good life”. Taxes will go up, accelerating the migration patterns. The neoliberal solution of off-loading government services to private monopolies so they can extort rent from the population, and then bailing out private risk takers when things go belly up will also make it worse. Obviously, the destruction of social cohesion and anomie will hasten it along. It is probably inevitable that social democracy collapses, and likely these modern nation-states as well.

    I am skeptical that the Developed World will be able to construct “Hotel California” were they can benefit from migration inflows but prevent capital and talent from leaving, although when they figure it out they will try. By the time they realize they will have to construct a national-level prison, it will be too late, they will be hopelessly backwards and divided. The 21st Century will likely represent a radical social transformation whereby mid-20th Century social democracy will sound as far fetched as life on the feudal manor by the end of the century.

    The “true France” crowd are nostalgic, there to mourn the passing of the old, they cannot resurrect it. Le Pen is a performance artist, not a politician.

    • Agree: Iris, Reaper
    • Replies: @Chris Moore
    , @HeebHunter
    , @glib
  3. Excellent post on an important phenomenon. This elite secession can be observed across the world and is not a new phenomenon (Christopher Lasch wrote “The Revolt of the Elites and the Betrayal of Democracy” just before his death in 1994) though it seems to be accelerating.
    The phenomenon might have actually started earlier in France than in most other countries. The dominant ideology in France is strongly universalist (“Liberté, Egalité”) which translates into reflexive support on the part of our intellectual elites for Universal Imperialist enterprises.
    After Waterloo, it became obvious that France would never become the seat of the Universal Empire, but our elites became invested in substitute political constructions.
    The rules of sports like Football (soccer), Tennis, or Rugby might have been codified by Brits, but the International Federations (Fifa, CIO…) were usually created under French initiatives. France was also very invested in the creation of the SDN after WW1. The creation of the EU after WW2, with US support, was very much a French initiative. Today, Jean Monnet, who was basically a CIA agent, is in the Panthéon and has many schools and official buildings named after him (more so than Napoléon, Jeanne d’Arc, and maybe De Gaulle).
    To a large extent, De Gaulle, with his emphasis on national independence and sovereignty (industrial, military, nuclear) was an anomaly and parenthesis, which was pretty much closed in the 1980s by Mitterrand who was happy to surrender monetary and industrial independence to the EU and international body, while the French indigenous population was being replaced by immigration and demonized as racist when expressing concerns.

    • Replies: @Reaper
    , @Mulga Mumblebrain
  4. Chris Moore says: • Website
    @Tulip

    I suspect we will see an outflow of entrepreneurs from the Developed World to places with a lower cost of living, lower taxes and less regulations and more suited to old fashioned industrial capitalism. At the same time, inflows from the Developing World seeking the “good life”. Taxes will go up, accelerating the migration patterns. The neoliberal solution of off-loading government services to private monopolies so they can extort rent from the population, and then bailing out private risk takers when things go belly up will also make it worse. Obviously, the destruction of social cohesion and anomie will hasten it along. It is probably inevitable that social democracy collapses, and likely these modern nation-states as well.

    So Globalist hell wins? I doubt Russia and China will allow Globalist hell to win in their nations, which means the Globalist Parasites must exist on their Death Star tethered above the former “West.”

    Remind me why we allow these Globalist “elites” to exist again?

    • Agree: Ace
    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
    , @Tulip
  5. songbird says:

    Macron seems to imply that he believes that rewriting European history to make it diverse will help pacify blacks and Arabs. I doubt that anyone could be dumb enough to believe this, though he might believe that it will serve to demoralize Europeans and make them more pliable to extreme invasion and parasitism.

    Anti-American rhetoric has always been low-hanging fruit for European politicians, but articulating and promoting a policy that puts one’s country on a different path is something that is not easy, and therefore is not attractive to them.

    Peter Hitchens recommended that people get out of Britain. I think he’s been observing this trend of elites fleeing there.

  6. @Chris Moore

    You’re totally right. Defeatists like Tulip don’t understand. Oligarchs’ assets can be confiscated, tariff barriers reinstated, government debts repudiated or written down. I could continue, but you get the gist.
    It’s a question of political will. At the moment, there is little political will in the Neoliberal West. But economic collapse is imminent. After which, the suggestions I have made will appear moderate compared to what will actually be done.

  7. I don’t know a ton about French history so please correct me if I’m wrong, but hasn’t there always been a wide gulf between the Parisian elites and the provincials? I thought that until Napoleon, and even some time after, people primarily thought of themselves as Provencal, Breton, Occitan, etc rather than as French. I guess the main difference is that back then regional differences could exist and the provincials were free to practice their own culture. Whereas today, the overwhelming cultural imperialism coming from Paris via TV and internet obliterates all regional traditions. Thanks for the well-written article; it was very informative.

    • Replies: @Iris
  8. “More generally, the single best predictor for support for Macron is educational achievement, with the less educated conversely tending to support Marine Le Pen and/or the Yellow Vests.”

    Ah, yes, the elites always like to preen themselves on their “education.” It trades on the social capital that remains from the days when education was, well, education, and you needed to know Latin and Greek to get into a college. Today, “education” is simply brainwashing, of a sort that makes the old Christian-dominated universities look like oasis of the Enlightenment.

    Gone are the days when the “progressive” promoted the idea of Rousseau’s “natural sentiment” uncorrupted by “education” or the superiority of the hard knocks school of the factory worker vs. educated bourgeois (Marx). Now they sneer at the “some high school” Trump voter.

    Of course, if the occasion arises, they’ll turn their rhetoric on a dime again, as with the CPUSA’s convoluted attempts to shift for and against war, pre and after the Hitler/Stalin pact.

    “The educated classes are the most indoctrinated” — Noam Chomsky

    • Replies: @John Pepple
  9. songbird says:

    Secularization of schools made them easy targets for colonization. How many Muslims would be in Paris if all the schools had been Catholic? Not many, I think.

  10. @Verymuchalive

    ‘Facebook! How many divisions do they have?’

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
  11. Iris says:
    @Magic Dirt Resident

    but hasn’t there always been a wide gulf between the Parisian elites and the provincials?

    Paris, unlike say London for instance, always have had, throughout the centuries, a strong, genuine, permanent indigenous popular component.

    Paris was of course the main siege of the 1789 French Revolution, with the very symbolic storming of the Bastille royal fortress-prison. But Paris also was the place where occurred the most important subsequent popular revolts of 1832, 1848 and 1871.

  12. Tulip says:
    @Chris Moore

    Remind me why we allow these Globalist “elites” to exist again?

    That depends, but assuming you live in a “liberal democracy”, you allow Globalist “elites” to “exist” because you get to “choose” every so often which Globalist elite gets to rape and pillage the commonwealth, and somehow, the continued existence of the ruling class doesn’t really come up as a serious issue for debate amongst the ruling class.

    Sure, you can vote for a “populist” like Trump and Le Pen, but remember, folks like Mussolini and Hitler, while expressing a performative politics, did so in subordination to a (failed) geopolitical strategy. That is to say, it was politics first. In contrast, Trump probably couldn’t spell geopolitical strategy, let alone know what one was if it bit him on the ass, and Le Pen, what is she now for the EU and last year she was against it. Jump on the populist clown car, just don’t be surprised when it drives around in circles, then they stop and leave with your money.

  13. Macron got an education from his grade school teacher.

  14. Emmanuel Macron has not covered himself with glory in the handling of the Covid-19 pandemic. France has had a shortage of masks (unnecessary in my view, but if they’re required they have to be available), hospital beds in intensive care, and now vaccines. Before that there was the protest effort of the Gilets Jaunes and a crippling transportation strike. It’s telling that more and more French young people are looking to leave; traditionally France was the country in which the population was least inclined to emigrate and the most likely to return if they did.

    Anne Hidalgo (mayor of Paris) and Edward Phillipe (former prime minister) are clearly intending to run for president in 2022. They probably wouldn’t be if they didn’t sense Macron was vulnerable. I don’t think his reelection is by any means certain and I sometimes have a sneaking suspicion that he really doesn’t like the job.

  15. @ravin' lunatic

    Indeedy doody. For Zuckerberg and other oligarchs, confiscation of assets will be the least of their worries. Execution or assassination will be much more of a worry.

  16. SafeNow says:
    @songbird

    Ah, yes — the schools. A crucial point. Here in the US, I remember many years ago…a teacher gloated “we will win, because we have your children.” Could this be the trunk and taproot, everything else the branches and leaves?

    • Replies: @songbird
  17. songbird says:
    @SafeNow

    I think schools had a lot to do with capturing the cities.

    Suppose some rich person opened a free-tuition school that started the day with something like the Pledge of Allegiance, but instead of loyalty to symbol of state authority, it centered on something of an ethnic nature, in some European country, trying to encourage a level of ethnocentrism that other groups seem to have naturally. How quickly would they bomb it or otherwise try to shut it down?

  18. The particulars of what’s happening in France are worth of study. Nevertheless, it all amounts to one thing: Diversity is cancer.

    • Agree: Ace
  19. @Sick of Orcs

    Yup. I have also noticed (even among people I know personally) that ‘better educated’ usually correlates with being more brainwashed and less likely to challenge the obvious horseshit being peddled by the system.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Thanks: Sick of Orcs
  20. @Reverend Goody

    In fact, if memory serves, didn’t Macron marry his teacher?

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  21. about a third of French youths believe in weather-control programs

    A Frenchman once told me that massive storms hit France in 1999, and he remembered a French politician openly suggesting it was the weather machine. He was unable to recall details; perhaps someone reading this can fill me in?

  22. Parbes says:
    @John Pepple

    What’s your problem, moron? What is the reason for this retarded ad hominem attack?

    • LOL: Thorfinnsson
    • Replies: @John Pepple
  23. 1. when I worked for a multi-national corp we had expats of every nationality. Virtually no French. The only one I can recall was from Alsace. So absolutely no Parisians. A Dutch co-worker had a sister who was married to a Parisian and he explained to me “they have the best country and he [his brother-in-law] knows it.”

    2. is there a French equivalent to Spiegel International? I would read a Le Monde English edition if they would publish it. Or maybe they started one since the last time I searched.

    • Replies: @Guillaume Durocher
  24. @Reverend Goody

    I’m guessing that was before the sweaty black men he so enjoyed hugging.

  25. Macron’s representatives have often had a rough start in public life. One complained on the radio that the French only talked about low wages and lack of purchasing power.

    Was that followed by “Let them eat cake?” Seriously, time to bring back the guillotine; it’s certainly more humane than the knives the vibrant youth have been using to saw off peoples’ heads.

    One female representative complained that her parliamentary pay was lower than what she had received in the private sector and that she and her peers were “unsure whether they would make it to the end [of their term].” Macron has been widely criticized as “the president of the rich.”

    They must have found the one Députée not on the take.

    Quant à moi, je regarderai Claire lire, et je rêverai de la France telle qu’elle était.

    • Replies: @Uncoy
  26. Bartolo says:

    Macron will win again unless a populist candidate that credibly presents himself as neither left nor right-wing faces him in the second round. Anxiety-producing subjects -like leaving the euro- should be avoided as far as possible.

  27. Speaking of French elites … from 4chan /pol/:

    [MORE]

    French-Jewish ‘shadow French president’ Jacques Attali, 40 years ago foresaw mass human killing via first a pandemic to kill ‘old & fat’, then pre-planned ‘treatment’ (vaccine?) which would mass kill ‘stupid people’ begging for what would covertly kill them – ‘take the vaccine’ perhaps a live-or-die intelligence test?

    1981 Attali interview text is confirmed by French police society ‘Association Professionelle Gendarmerie’ … Attali, born 1943, is a major sponsor of Emmanuel Macron, friend of George Soros, the Rothschilds, & Henry Kissinger, past advisor to Président Mitterand etc

    There are claims the below is ‘deboonked’ but that seems disingenuous, so-called debunking playing on:
    – Attali more ‘foreseeing’ than ‘recommending’
    – Shocking text was deleted from later published editions of Attali interview

    French original text here:
    http://www.profession-gendarme.com/attali-prophete-ou-conspirateur/
    English translation here:
    ‘Globalist Banker Predicted Scamdemic & Genocide of the Useless’ by Michael O’Bernicia
    https://www.thebernician.net/globalist-banker-predicted-scamdemic-genocide-of-the-useless/

    Attali quote below from 1st edition ‘Interviews with Michael Salomon, Faces of the Future’ – ‘Entretiens avec Michel Salomon, Les Visages de l’avenir’:

    « In the future it will be a question of finding a way to reduce the population. We will start with the old … then the weak and then the useless … and especially the stupid ones.

    We will get rid of them by making them believe it is for their own good. We will find something or cause it, a pandemic that targets certain people … a virus that will affect the old or the fat, it doesn’t matter; the weak will succumb to it, the fearful and the stupid will believe it and ask to be treated.

    We will have taken care to have planned the treatment, a treatment that will be the solution. The selection of idiots will thus be done on its own: they will go to the slaughterhouse on their own. »

    Original French of the above:

    [MORE]

    « À l’avenir il s’agira de trouver un moyen de réduire la population. Nous commencerons par les vieux … Ensuite les faibles puis les inutiles … et surtout enfin les plus stupides.

    Nous nous en débarrasserons en leur faisant croire que c’est pour leur bien.

    Nous trouverons quelque chose ou le provoquerons, une pandémie qui cible certaines personnes, les vieux ou les gros, peu importe, les faibles y succomberont, les peureux et les stupides y croiront et demanderont à être traités.

    Nous aurons pris soin d’avoir prévu le traitement, un traitement qui sera la solution. La sélection des idiots se fera ainsi toute seule : ils iront d’eux-mêmes à l’abattoir. »

    • Thanks: The Real World
    • Replies: @Irish Savant
    , @Curle
  28. @Morton's toes

    Can’t think of anything like Spiegel English, but there is:

    More left-wing/high-brow: Le Monde diplomatique in English: https://mondediplo.com/

    The Local France: https://www.thelocal.fr/

    • Thanks: Badger Down
  29. Svevlad says:

    We’re heading to “primordial soup Europe” or basically the post-Roman Dark Ages 2.0 except with far, far less information loss. More just general strife and reconfiguration

  30. @Parbes

    Calm down, ok? Peter D. Bredon is the pseudonym of the detective in the Dorothy Sayers’s mystery Murder Must Advertise, and the D stands for Death. It’s been decades since I read this, and I can’t remember what the point of that name was, but I do know that that is what the D stands for.

    • Replies: @Parbes
  31. Parbes says:
    @John Pepple

    Well OK, thanks for the clarification. But you need to realize that, to anyone who doesn’t know that “Peter D. Bredon is the pseudonym of the detective in the Dorothy Sayers’s mystery Murder Must Advertise, and the D stands for Death”, this is literally incomprehensible, and looks like you’re engaging in a nasty ad hominem attack.

  32. Jews whining about being victims of multiculturalism. That is rich. Someone once suggested that you all go to Madagascar. Soon the day is coming when you will wish you had that option.

    • Replies: @E_Perez
  33. Fabrice says:

    The secession of French elites is just a consequence, not the real problem!

    Her is a good economic explanation in French language.

    Comment l’euro a conduit la France dans l’impasse

    FIGAROVOX/ANALYSE – La monnaie unique a vingt ans cette année. Pour l’économiste David Cayla, cette monnaie ne s’est pas avérée être l’outil promis au service des économies européennes, mais plutôt un cadre normatif auquel les peuples européens sont condamnés à s’adapter, en dépit de leurs différences économiques structurelles.
    Par David Cayla
    Publié le 29/04/2019

    https://www.lefigaro.fr/vox/economie/comment-l-euro-a-conduit-la-france-dans-l-impasse-20190429

    I had read the Italian version and I can say that it’s a sort of “Lectio Magistralis” from any kind of view!

    Enjoy the reading!

    Best regards.

    Fabrice, greetings from Italy

    • LOL: Wally
  34. Paris Syndrome becoming France Syndrome

  35. E_Perez says:
    @Andy Horton

    Someone once suggested that you all go to Madagascar. Soon the day is coming when you will wish you had that option.

    Yes, and instead of supporting that suggestion, the French declared war on him.

    I know many French who think, if they had’nt done it, France would not be in the mess it is.

    • Replies: @Irish Savant
  36. E_Perez says:

    Great article, like always from Monsieur Durocher and very informative for people who love that country.

    But his

    “elite vs. popular France” paradigm and
    “expats fleeing Macron’s France but raising funds for his reelection” hypothesis

    are not very convincing and definitely do not explain why the French still vote for him (or the next leftist candidate).

    Mr. Durocher does not hint to an essential syndrome of French society illness,
    “le service public” they like so much,
    “les acquis sociaux” which they all admire.

    France has one of the highest percentages of GDP controlled by public spending, it is the most communist among the capitalist countries, although the nationalizing wave of the Mitterand area has partly been reversed.

    The great portion of French in this public sector – not all of them elitists or rich – are voting left and are lost for any party of the right.

  37. IronForge says:

    Collapsing State.

    Banker Garçon Macron wins the Presidency.
    Migranvaders from Ex-Colonies and CFA Users Flood in.
    Tribal Sarkozy was President, and Madame Le Pen’s Spouse is a Tribal.

    Tribals have ISR to Return Home to. Sorry to say; but the welfare of MULTI-GENERATIONAL ETHNIC FRENCH PEOPLE are the Priority here.

    Why are we reading about troubled Tribals bullied by Muslims? We should read more about the French dealing with the Migranvaders.

    The Schooled migrate to Garçon Macron because most White Collared Professionals are White; and like the Eloi of the Time Machine Fame – have NO CLUE that the Migranvaders who are Invading the Blue Collared Workers’ Labor Pool Now will someday include White Collared Professionals.

    Thanks to Outsourcing and Immigration, their Domestic Industrial Production is faltering.

    These are some of the reasons the Yellow Vests are Rioting about.

    • Agree: Irish Savant
  38. @Tulip

    With the Corona Hoax you bet they already thought of this. Almost all of the truly productive, high IQ people will never take the (((vaccine))). So like bad goyim, they will not very likely to be allowed to travel like the good goyim who took the mRNA shots.

    • Replies: @Irish Savant
  39. France’s new black or Muslim inhabitants are generally less sensitive to issues of anti-Semitism or the sanctity of the holocaust. Bullying of Jews by Muslims is supposed to be so widespread that it is said that there is not a single Jewish pupil left in the public schools of Seine-Saint-Denis, the vast Afro-Islamic-majority county making up the northeast corner of greater Paris. Two thirds of Jewish parents who opt to send their children to Jewish schools say they fear their child will be attacked for being Jewish (p. 212).

    Looks like some people are more deserving of France the land than the people of the country themselves.

    • Replies: @Wally
  40. Vojkan says:

    The two countries in which I have lived, Serbia and France, are good illustrations of my assertion that akin to a parasitic disease on the scale of a whole society, socialism / progressivism –> nepotism –> mediocracy –> idiocracy –> implosion. The only difference between the two idiocracies is that Serbia is ruled by unlettered vulgarians while the French elite are allegedly well-read pedants. Yet, both elites are made of morons and the more moronic aren’t necessarily the less educated. For instance, French management of the Covid crisis has been by several orders of magnitude more idiotic than the Serbian one.

  41. neutral says:

    As most of the other ZOG states, there are two sets of elites, there are the managerial class and the jews. The managerial class serve nothing more than than the rubber stamping authority for the jews, the jews have been running France for a long time. Although having public executions of the bobos would be satisfying, until the jew problem is solved France will never be salvageable.

  42. Alfred says:

    It is the same pattern everywhere. Those in favour of importing people from the 3rd world are the ones least likely to live anywhere near them. All they care about is cheap maids, taxis, prostitutes and restaurants.

    • Replies: @GMC
    , @Reaper
    , @PetrOldSack
  43. Wally says:
    @HeebHunter

    “sanctity of the holocaust”

    aka: belief in the impossible

    recommended:
    Report: COVID-19 “pandemic” supposedly causing hatred of Jews; Solution is more “Holocaust education”: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=13962

    “Whenever there is a study measuring “anti-Semitism” (non-Jews having opinions that ethnocentric Jews do not like) we are almost always told that it is increasing pretty much everywhere, constantly, and that the reason for it has absolutely nothing to do with the attitudes and behaviors of powerful Jewish elites. Despite this belief, Jews insist on living among those that supposedly hate them even though they have their own country.”

    • Replies: @HeebHunter
  44. glib says:
    @Tulip

    A good post, but like many posts on Unz, long on ideology and short on resource depletion. Going to Luxembourg or Switzerland will not save the Enarques if oil is ending.

    • Replies: @Marckus
  45. @Verymuchalive

    Basically- you got to have a people with the spine. Without that, any state collapses, sooner or later (I am talking about modern, civilized peoples).

    National consciousness & the determination of the people is the key. Rootless cosmopolitanism or secular hedonism of educated classes who care only about their @sses are just indicators of a nation’s disintegration, weakness, …..

    • Agree: Miro23, Ace
  46. onebornfree says: • Website

    Fuck the French state and its parasitic “elites”. Good riddance. Fuck _all_ states, _everywhere_, and their parasitic “; elites” they are all, every last one of them, a scourge on humanity – always have been, and always will be.

    This “just”in:

    “Because they are all ultimately funded via both direct and indirect theft [taxes], and counterfeiting [central bank monopolies], all governments are essentially, at their very cores, 100% corrupt criminal scams which cannot be “reformed”or “improved”,simply because of their innate criminal nature.” onebornfree

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Replies: @Marckus
    , @Mefobills
  47. GMC says:
    @Alfred

    Come on Alfred – the guy in the car, is just asking for directions – at least that’s what he told the cops that pinched him. The Law enforcement, judicial and the political POlice are also – in on the import duty tax. lol

  48. Anonymous[661] • Disclaimer says:

    Good article.

    I think France is unfortunately just an election or two away from Islamic rule. Michel Houellebecq’s novel “Submission” is the true sequel to “Camp of the Saints”.

  49. Jimmy1969 says:

    An excellent article. A few crucial areas were left too vague and implicit. Next time they should be expanded on and made more explicit,

  50. Alfred says:

    In France, like in the UK, the officer corps is a class of its own. They have little to do with the French elite. Relative to the USA, they have not been corrupted. Like the UK, they have been involved in wars around the world for hundreds of years.

    20 French Generals Sign Letter Condemning Oppression of Yellow Vests; Warn of Coming Race War

    • Thanks: Wade Hampton
  51. Marckus says:
    @onebornfree

    These days, in spite of the politicians doing as they please, the population just never seem to recognize that its one set of rules for them and another for the average Joe. Take taxes for example, one of the point you made. The average citizen will declare all his income and not even claim a sandwich when he submits his tax return. He plays by the rules and generally adheres to the “law”

    The politician hides all he can, claims all he ought not to and breaks every law when it suits him to do so. These magicians bewitch their subjects to stick to the path of goodness and honesty not with rabbits and top hats but with a gust of fine words.

    The public always believes ! The new guy we elect will be different, will be better because “he promised to be so”. I always laugh at election time because that is when the mongrels appear at my door sniffing for my vote. After the election, I never hear from them or see them and everything remains the same.

    This brings us to some of Marckus’s Laws:

    1. Honesty is the worst policy
    2. Do onto others before they do onto you
    3. Never turn the other cheek or soon you will be spreading both
    4. Always look out for your own interests.

    There is no softness in this world and anyone who believes in the goodness of man should observe the politician tooling by in a taxpayer funded limo while he, the taxpayer is waiting for the city bus.

    • Agree: Malla, Z-man
    • Replies: @InnerCynic
    , @Mefobills
  52. BorisMay says:

    Interesting that no mention of Macron once working for Rothschilds, and still does just like Sleepy Joe, Johnson, Merkel and all the rest of the Rothschild whores.

    All elections are fixed. Sleepy Joe just copied the postal voting scam of Johnson the PM of Britain. No British election has been honestly counted just as no US election has been either. It will be the same in France. (So Le Pen has got herself a Jewish boyfriend as an insurance.)

    The problem with education is that it destroys common sense and replaces it with a gullible cleverness which is too easily manipulated by money, power and arrogance. This devolves in to a lack of morals where paedophilia becomes acceptable. It is this sexual abuse of children that is the glue that holds the Establishment and their hangers on together.

    Government should be by lot and not election.

  53. Marckus says:
    @glib

    I agree. Some of these articles on UR are full of deep analysis and empty of even shallow solutions.

    One hundred years from now human kind will be belabouring all the same human traits (and problems) the talking heads, bloggers, “experts” and ivy school graduates bray about today.

    Every generation gets the glorious chance to stir the same shit pot with the same paddle.

  54. Ah, so the good Monsieur Durocher doesn’t “believe” in “chemtrails?” Amazing how kneejerk ignorance affects even those who claim to see through the deceptions. I guess his concerns for the “whiteness” of France are equally based in magical thinking…

    • Replies: @Alden
  55. hillaire says:

    With the last few shovels of soil being thrown on the ‘coffin’ of the west…

    I always take great interest in the learned ‘scribblers’ furiously ‘detailing’ and ‘explicating’ the ‘complex’ trends and political ‘orientations’ of the various broken and disjointed ‘sectors’ of a rancid, debauched and exhausted polity..

    like bewildered monkeys looking through the wrong end of a telescope, they are unable to accept the disaster and chaos they have wrought on their benighted nations and continue to filter their ‘stats’ and graphs and other pointless collations through a mental process that died in the inter-war years..

    Europe (conceptually speaking) limped on from 1945 buoyed up via propaganda and shiny social programmes, but now the old crusty crone is gasping it’s last rattle..

    It’s parasite class elites on the run with the family silver and lace curtains, schlomo running shotgun, its sons and daughters ignorant and venal.. afflicted..

    like zombies the ‘compliant’ shits, masked and vaxxed..

    All in all, I find it to be very good news for those of us ready to do the ‘necessary’ cleaning after the ‘collapse’ …(the only thing of importance)..

  56. @Sick of Orcs

    If by being “educated” you mean legions of white college educated feminists and their soy-boy hangers-on, you would most definitely be correct.

  57. @Verymuchalive

    I always laugh at the notion that those who were never in a position to agree to any “debt” are obligated in any way to pay for it. Let the congress critters pay for it out of their own pocket and see how quickly such debt disappears.

  58. @Marckus

    It’s like listening to the “true believers” who, much like a shaman, perform their magical dance and rattle their prayer beads about the upcoming “mid term” elections. It’s so tragically pathetic.

    • Replies: @Z-man
  59. Z-man says:

    What a choice the French have, Macron or LePen. Peehew!
    The French political system/MSM is almost as owned by the Jews as the British. Worse imho since there are less Jews in France than there are in Britain.

  60. “Macron is the first president of the French Fifth Republic to have not fulfilled military service.”

    And why would he? It’s not like the French armed forces allowed faggots to run rampant in the days gone by when Le Macron was of serving age.

  61. Levtraro says:

    Interesting article. Elite secession as it is happening now in France according to this article, is a step in the direction of what my grandma calls segregated governance. She thinks that the natural evolution of the liberal state is to let the masses go out of the state and live in anarchy, because that solution is better both for the masses and for the elite. She remarks that the main function of the liberal state is to protect private property. So below a certain income/wealth threshold, it does not make economic sense to live under a liberal state, while above that threshold income/wealth, state services are fundamental, and the threshold level increases with increasing development. So after reaching certain degree of development the rational way to go is to let all those below the threshold go on their own, live in anarchy, forming self-defense organizations, cooperative institutions to pool resources, all those institutions that anarchists advertise. My grandma also points out to other driving factors pushing in the direction of this evolution: excessive use of natural resources. She thinks that segregated governance will solve the environmental problems by drastically reducing consumption of energy-intensive products in all those peoples that the liberal state will let go on their own and by releasing large tracts of land from intensive agriculture and grazing of farm animals.

    • Replies: @Blissex
  62. @songbird

    I believe the number of Muslims in Paris has nothing to do with Catholicism. Its quite simple. Marry..have children…and more children…and work…
    The French were too busy being lovers and then kinky lovers and this kinda lover mixed with another…forgetting Mass…its was always culture…culture..culture…
    thing is they forgot: to sustain the economy you dont need culture…you need workers and fathers and mothers…who thank God for their blessings…
    Dont blame the school systems…redeem the moral and ethical values education instills to keep the world anew and welcoming…
    And I thank you for reading.

    • Thanks: RadicalCenter
  63. Rdm says:

    Don’t worry.

    We’re now pumping with $300,000,000 into propaganda truthful journalism.

    It’s not 50 cents. It’s $300 millions. It only cost 2 millions for moon landing. With $300 millions, we can do so much more.

    https://www.rt.com/op-ed/522154-cynical-hypocrisy-propaganda-us/

  64. anon[234] • Disclaimer says:

    france, keep sucking muslim ****

    • Replies: @Andy Horton
  65. Z-man says:
    @InnerCynic

    True, but in this American mid term the left wing branch of the elite club should get a beating just because they’re so stupid even more so than the right wingers.
    Dumbo’kratz and Republi’tards.
    My dream of 4 in a barrel over the ‘Falls. (Pelosi, Schumer, McConnel and McCarthy)

  66. Reaper says:
    @HyperDupont

    In my opinion De Gaulle was the last one who was capable to rise France as much as one person/ leader capable from that what they have.

    The very same story with Spain: when Francisco Franco get out from the picture Spain fall shortly after.

    One leader can rise a star for a nation/ country/ empire for a while – but as soon as they disappear their achievements are fading rapidly.

  67. @anon

    Those dang Muslims and their Kalergi Plan! We have to keep Europe safe for the innocent Jews!

  68. anon[122] • Disclaimer says:

    Private schools should be illegal. The rich should not be able to simultaneously ruin public schools with thirld world students and subsidized woke politicians, while shielding their own children and grandchildren in good private schools that teach math, science, business, history/civics. The advantage is too much. It truly is an unfair advantage

  69. Blissex says:
    @Levtraro

    a step in the direction of what my grandma calls segregated governance. She thinks that the natural evolution of the liberal state is to let the masses go out of the state and live in anarchy, because that solution is better both for the masses and for the elite. She remarks that the main function of the liberal state is to protect private property. So below a certain income/wealth threshold, it does not make economic sense to live under a liberal state, while above that threshold income/wealth, state services are fundamental

    What your grandma calls “segregated governance” is the Dixie/Brazil/Mumbai pinochetian model, of a plantation style economy, with the upper class in the beautiful mansions on the sunny hilltops, a small slice of middle class “trusties” in the cottages on the hillsides, and the vast masses of serfs trying to survive in the favelas in the swamps below.

    During the past hundred years of the Bismarck/Christian Democrat socialdemocratic model a large chunk of the masses had been allowed to join the lower middle classes, but no more, two telling quotes from the UK:

    http://averypublicsociologist.blogspot.com/2019/12/the-new-statesman-s-miserable-editorial.html
    Miliband has a deterministic, quasi-Marxist analysis of our present ills. […] is very much an old-style Hampstead socialist. He doesn’t really understand the lower middle class or material aspiration. He doesn’t understand Essex Man or Woman. […] he might have to accept before long – or the electorate will force him to – that Europe’s social-democratic moment, if it ever existed, is fading into the past.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jun/28/london-the-city-that-ate-itself-rowan-moore
    Meanwhile, if you fly in a helicopter over suburban boroughs such as Hounslow or Newham, as council enforcers sometimes do, you will see ramshackle structures in back gardens, some of which will be housing uncounted numbers of migrants. Whereas iceberg houses are permitted by loopholes in the planning system (which some local authorities are now trying to close), these are unauthorised and try to evade detection. A Brazilian architect once asked me why there were no favelas in London. They are coming now – sheds in back gardens, small flats and houses appallingly overcrowded.

    The overall issue is that since the second and third world have been merged their economies into those of the first world, the worldwide price of semi-skilled labor is around $1-$2 per hour, and the elites of the first world look enviously at Dubai and similar places where servants and workers are so cheap.

    • Replies: @Reaper
    , @Levtraro
  70. Agent76 says:

    Apr 27, 2021 France threatens ‘reprisals’ against Britain in bitter Brexit fishing row

    France has threatened “reprisals” against the UK if ministers refuse to grant greater access to British waters for French fishermen.

    Mar 1, 2021 Former French President Nicolas Sarkozy Found Guilty of Corruption

    The 66-year-old was sentenced to a one-year prison term for offering to pull strings to help a magistrate land a prestigious job in return for a favor — although the French legal system means he’s unlikely to serve jail time. His lawyer and the court official were also convicted.

  71. Reaper says:
    @Alfred

    This sometimes goes to the another direction.

    When (the usually not poor) people export themselves into the 3. world. Some territory became well by this, like in the Caribbean, Thailand.

  72. Mefobills says:
    @onebornfree

    ONEBORNFREE-DUMB doesn’t like the thing he promotes:

    Cognitive dissonance much? Lolbertarainism is an apologetics ideology for free movement of people, free movement of capital, and a weak nation-state that cannot resist said “free movement” and “free markets.”

    This quote below from Durocher’s article.

    During the 2017 presidential campaign, Macron went to London six times to raise funds among French expats, many of whom worked in the City,

    News alert: London is the seat of globo-homo finance capitalism.

    Finance Capitalism, for which Lolbertarians are apologist for, is responsible for the very thing oneborndumb rails against.

    Many of the globalist elites make their capital gains and control their “assets” from some sort of city center. They send their capital as money abroad, to then get wage arbitrage, or they import third world labor to the city center to serve their needs.

    The “yellow vest” movement is part of this phenomena. The hinterlands of former white French people have to send their raw materials (things from their land) into the city centers to then be monetized. Or, they travel long distance by car or train, to work for low wages in competition with imported labor. Most of the big city centers, such as Paris, London, New York are characterized as finance centers, or headquarters of global business.

    Another knock on effect is globo-homo going abroad to attach debts to foreign lands. A comprador elite in foreign land is then created, and the children of said compradors are allowed to emigrate to Paris, London, or New York. In the U.S. after every war, there is immigration of the “conquered” people.

    Durocher is also complaining about how this global elite is now starting to abandon the cess-pool they created, by escaping to gated communities elsewhere. They can now use “technology” to control their far flung finance assets and debt instruments.

    Industrial Capitalism uses its own internal “credit” and channels said credit into industry, thus lifting up the people of a nation. It is nation building, not nation destroying. Nationalists don’t import new people and have no need to export sovereign capital.

    Lolbertarian-tards are nation destroyers and agents for (((liberalism))).

    • Troll: Agent76
    • Replies: @HeebHunter
  73. Reaper says:
    @Blissex

    Economy and some prices are became globalized.

    Part of that are not.
    As for human trafficing prices are sometimes as low as 100 – 500$ for one laborer, or 300 – 500 $ for a prostitute: meaning to buy them originally.

    So this is very true:
    “the elites of the first world look enviously at Dubai and similar places where servants and workers are so cheap.”

    While low middle class demonstrates for 15 $/ hour minimal wage in the US…

  74. Here’s the thing with the high incomes vs low incomes, and it all boils down to immigration, which does come from some kind of elitist thinking, any where that comes from is up for discussion.

    If you have a country with so many people, there are so many jobs. Shouldn’t job pay be a function of supply and demand mostly? If too many people are “educated”, and there aren’t enough janitors, then the pay for janitors should keep increasing until managers and others are quitting their jobs to become janitors, right?

    If you can use immigration to bring in janitors to keep their pay artificially low so that in comparison the educated pay is comparatively high, there is the rub. 100 years ago smart and dumb lived next door to each other with no problems. But then there’s Canada that does the opposite, brings in upper talent…anyone know what janitors make in Canada?

  75. ricpic says:

    You’re all wrong. There will always be a France. France is eternal.

    • Agree: Iris
    • Replies: @Poco
  76. @Wally

    And we can guess who in Europe will actually fight back or just nod/laugh at the Holohoax.
    Hint: not the native goyim.

  77. @Mefobills

    It is no surprise that the main founders of lolberturdianism were all filthy kikes, and lolberturdian icons today are all sterile, impotent Euromutts.

    It was all very deliberate. Another set of rigid, autistic “ideologies” meant to cripple mental development.
    The only ideology that was flexible was “National Socialism”/Fascism. And Uncle Adolf said that National Socialism was a good brand name, LOL.

    Ideologies were a KIKE invention, mainly Marx’s. No wonder why people who are deep into them are all very well behaved goyim.

    • Replies: @36 ulster
  78. Mefobills says:
    @Marckus

    There is no softness in this world and anyone who believes in the goodness of man should observe the politician tooling by in a taxpayer funded limo while he, the taxpayer is waiting for the city bus.

    In the scientific method, if your thesis has counter-factual data, then you have to throw out said thesis.

    Let’s see: In recent times, both Russian and Chinese citizens have improved living conditions. Oh wait, Russia and China are “illiberal” civilizations.

    Here is a video of Mohamar Khadafi riding around exposed to the open-air, not worried about being assassinated.

    • Agree: Iris, Lucy Lipinska
    • Replies: @E_Perez
  79. @brabantian

    Jacques Attali was an authentic Satanic demon.

  80. @HeebHunter

    That was my working hypothesis as well but how come Israel is one of the most vaccinated countries in the world? That really upsets my Weltanschauung!

    • Agree: 36 ulster
    • Replies: @Vojkan
  81. @Alfred

    The picture was taken there, the car is distinctly retro.

    Ah, le Bois de Boulogne, à l’entree de notre Paris. Le Bois des duels des mousquetaires,
    le Bois de hier. Des travelos Brésiliens, fraichement importes, des castors de
    plus d’un mètre quatre-vingt, équipes devant et disponibles derrière!

    • Replies: @Alfred
  82. Highly mobile “elites” in globo-homo London/other expats vote M. Micron, while les pauvres yoyous go for Marine, unreliable daughter of Jean-Marie.
    Meanwhile the pieds-noirs are no more but other black feet colonise France …

    It was not always this way, for example in the PPF in the 1930s.

    “In the name of the people and of the fatherland, I swear fidelity and devotion to the Parti Populaire Français, its ideals, and its leader. I swear to serve until the supreme sacrifice the cause of national and popular revolution which will leave a new, free and independent France.”

    Jacques Doriot/PPF and what might have been, then their ally Perfidious Albion bombed them/sank their Navy etc … PPF now forgotten or vilified … later the Generation of 68 and their Jewish pedophile leader Danny “the Red” Cohen-Bandit taking France along the road we see today … Maybe the gilets-jaunes can stop the disintegration …

    https://www.sites.google.com/site/fascistfrance/parti-populaire-francais

  83. Laetizia says: • Website

    Emmanuel Todd says that the elites (for example macron) are more and more dumb and the people are more and more clever. I agree, from my experience as a teacher.

  84. E_Perez says:
    @Mefobills

    Here is a better one to make your point:

    • Replies: @Alfred
  85. Uncoy says: • Website
    @The Alarmist

    Claire has wonderful pronunciation. Should rehearse the reading more carefully as the meaning does not jump off the page during her reading.

    Macron is quite a funny fish. He’s a perfect representative of this Grande Écoles class and French nepotism: this creates trust among the elites, he’s one of them. Yet Macron is moving as quickly as possible to eliminate the culture which created him, hence damaging the long term interests of the same elites who support him.

    Hard to believe the French and French culture are on their way into disappearing into the sinkhole of history, as absolutely as Ancient Babylon.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  86. Vojkan says:
    @Irish Savant

    From time to time, Jewish elites arrange to get rid of “useless” Jews. If they can present the whole thing as a genocidal plot by the goyim, it’s a bonus. Thus they maintain both control over “useful” Jews and sense of guilt among gullible goyim. Gentile elites do similar things to dispose of surplus members of their nations. They just don’t advertise their misdeeds as emphatically as the Jews.

    • Agree: HeebHunter
  87. Alfred says:
    @PetrOldSack

    le Bois de Boulogne, à l’entree de notre Paris.

    For many years, I lived in rue Saint Didier, 16eme. Lots of classy prostitutes used to promenade in Avenue Victor-Hugo and Avenue Foche. The local women got together and raised a stink. They banned streetwalkers. The girls moved to the Bois. Triste.

    • Replies: @PetrOldSack
  88. Alfred says:
    @E_Perez

    Here is a better one to make your point:

    All you are proving is that Gaddafi, Mussolini and Hitler were popular at that moment and did not fear assassination. I don’t think that is the message you tried to convey. We all know by now who it is who assassinates popular leaders.

    • Replies: @E_Perez
  89. Levtraro says:
    @Blissex

    What your grandma calls “segregated governance” is the Dixie/Brazil/Mumbai pinochetian model, of a plantation style economy, with the upper class in the beautiful mansions on the sunny hilltops, a small slice of middle class “trusties” in the cottages on the hillsides, and the vast masses of serfs trying to survive in the favelas in the swamps below.

    No, in the model you describe the masses are fully integrated into the governed by means of exploitation, repression and confiscation for the benefit of the elites. What grandma sees as the evolution of the liberal state is complete separation of governed and anarchist population fractions.

    • Replies: @Reaper
    , @anon
  90. E_Perez says:
    @Alfred

    I don’t think that is the message you tried to convey.

    Obviously, the message I tried to convey, was to agree with @Mefobills, suggesting that there are better examples than Ghadafi.

    But you didn’t understand it.

  91. Reaper says:
    @Levtraro

    “What grandma sees as the evolution of the liberal state is complete separation of governed and anarchist population fractions.”

    I doubt that can be real.
    One way or other they will use the another party as resource (includes slavery), market, workforce, pleasure (tourism), etc…

    Even in sci-fi:

  92. @Sick of Orcs

    See the Red Scare podcast with Mark Crispin. The NYU professor who studies propaganda notes that the educated are usually more susceptible to propaganda.

    My own theory is that intelligent people are more able to hallucinate their own reality, so to speak. Plus they’re usually more insulated. The French bus driver can’t escape reality. The French banker, by contrast, is better able to both mentally and physically separate himself from the harsh reality of the migrant crisis etc.

    Based on my own experience of having a grad degree, working a corporate job, and growing up and living in big blue cities, the mental separation is more critical. It used to be that liberals were conservatives that had not yet been mugged. Increasingly, I’ve noticed that even a good figurative or even literal mugging has no effect on these people. High-IQ brainwashed idiots living in their own hallucinated reality. All of them.

    • Agree: Alfred
    • Replies: @Curle
    , @Johan
  93. Alden says:
    @nosquat loquat

    I see chem trails several times a week in Los Angeles but never in the Bay Area.

    • Replies: @Curle
  94. Curle says:
    @brabantian

    And yet it is the young, female and Left leaning who are filling up the vax clinics looking for shots. Are we to assume the world is really run by white, male conservatives?

    • Replies: @Vojkan
  95. Curle says:
    @Alden

    There are three Air Force bases in the LA area, Vandenberg, Edwards and one other for reserves. Plus, a slew of civilian airports. Nothing comparable in SF.

  96. Curle says:
    @Anonymous Jew

    I dunno, when I moved to a black dominant city many years ago I moved into an all black neighborhood to save money. Having lived in reasonably close proximity to blacks in the South I was not overly deterred. My work friends at the time, mostly liberals, were terrified to come visit. The more liberal the more scared.

  97. Vojkan says:
    @Curle

    That’s the reason I doubt the vaccines against Covid-19 are lethal: too good to be true. I do believe that they are far more useful politically and financially than they are medically but I very much doubt their lethality. The rulers need the tarts’ votes to legitimise them.

  98. Johan says:

    ‘Social liberalism’, there exist no such thing, socialist agreements mean to be governed by arrangements of the state and its bureaucratic apparatus. They just invent this stuff because their minds are weak and confused. It is simply a contradiction in terms, by means of which they are pulling the legs of the weak of mind who are attracted to the word ‘social’.

  99. Johan says:

    “This change has put print publications under enormous economic pressure by no means made up for by meager online advertising revenue. “

    The idea of free access to material which is normally paid for in plain coins, and to have people ‘pay’ in the form of looking at advertisements has been invented at the leading marketing table, and we know which type of people have a heavy hand there…

    The idea is brilliant and has several advantages. The foundational idea here is that the people are always bored and curious, so when you remove the last constraint nothing is in the way of the promise of temporary satisfaction of their curiosity, and the promise of relief of boredom. Basically it is about expanding a satisfied market by the removal of the last constraint, on a medium which in itself has removed several constraints (physical constraints). Branding and owning the minds of the public ever more by impressing images on their minds is of course the other advantage.

    The ruling ideological illusions of the time aid to prevent the public from seeing the logic behind the idea, society will never admit that boredom and an unbound curiosity are often the drive behind their actions. With regard of the influence of advertisements on their minds, the ideological illusion of being rational people, and the idea of individualism will prevent them from acknowledging the influence. The marketing department will also take care to consolidate and maintain these ruling ideas, while their one hand does that, the other hand has setup up a vast industry of manipulation.
    Being stuffed with junk also maintains the situation of continuous attempts of satisfaction.

    When the whole of the commercial class started to copy the new way invented in the offices of the leading marketeers, and the whole thing grew out of hand, when the minor thinking part of the people consequently started to use ad- blockers, the marketeers had to invent, distribute and impose the morale that you have to pay for material by means of looking at advertisements, and perhaps also buy something from time to time.
    It is not sure how long you have to look at advertisements to be okay and just, or how many you have to look at, or how many times you also really have to buy something, or what you have to remember. It is no longer a matter of a clear exchange in plain coins, it is calculated on hindsight by means of the profits of the advertising companies at large. So whether you are morally doing the right thing, the morale that you have to pay for someone’s work in order that he can make a living and so forth, and that you decide whether the clear amount of coins he asks for it are worth it no longer applies, it is now defined by the industry whether your exchange is the right thing. And no longer do you pay by means of coins, whether as a single instance exchange or on the basis of a long term contract, you now pay by means of lending and bending of your mind, the images and values in it, without a limit of time, the subscription is permanent.

    The fact that on the long term this system undermines the whole business does not matter, as greed grabs what it can grab in the moment. And the whole commercial class even when it initially went against the common sense values of a part of them was forced to go along with the madness.

  100. Johan says:

    elite and working classes are more and more separated

    on the other the elite is seeking to emancipate itself from the constraints of the people, evidenced by flight into gentrified neighborhoods, private schools, and outright expatriation

    In other words, the natural hierarchical order based on competence and intelligence inevitably emerges again within the ideologically imposed unnatural order of egalitarian democracy. With the difference though that the rebellious order, the non elite through their rebellion remains segregated, is more segregated than historically has been the case in non democratic societies. The egalitarian rebellion in the sinking ship of democracy goes down into ever more decline.

  101. Johan says:
    @Anonymous Jew

    more able to hallucinate their own reality

    The French bus driver can’t escape reality.

    Excellent observation, though poorly formulated and seemingly misguiding.

    Without vision, the people perish.

    Ordinary man is myopic, to a great degree locked up in his reality with its tedious demands, occupying him throughout the whole of his life. A democratic society is a society without great vision, without great visionary leadership. Hence, in the last phase of democracy, over half a century malevolent but intelligent cliques have ever more aggressively jumped into the gap, taking up the task of forming vision where great vision is lacking.
    The people have no time for such, and no capacity. Elites always drive society forward, democratic man, while he thinks he is in charge is inevitably guided by elites, or he must succumb to ever more being locked up in a myopic current reality.

    Since modern democratic man categorically rejects benevolent great vision as being utopian, unreachable, if even he is not holding himself to be representative of everything, to be the final and best product of evolution, the final righteous inheritor of all products of historical evolution, he becomes at large without his knowledge guided misguided by the utopian visions of the malevolent. The upper upper clique. Though his inherent paranoia and hostility and envy of everything above him keeps him alert to some degree.

    Vision of the mind in this case implies the use of imagination directed by values. Every man applies some vision, even the most simple ordinary man develops vision preceding his actions, guiding his life. A man who is not guided by any vision however small of ambition is an unthinking idiot, or a mere animal. To suggest that the vision of elites is only about ‘hallucinating reality’ without specification and elaboration becomes a mere act of typical democratic hostility.

    • Replies: @Poco
  102. Poco says:
    @ricpic

    Like the Roman Empire.

  103. Poco says:
    @Johan

    The myopically greedy and venal rise now in Western Civilization. The visionary is nipped in the bud when he attempts to check the myopic.

  104. @Uncoy

    I prefer Christelle Picot’s reading, voice and exposition, but Les Mis was more pertinent to the subject matter.

  105. Johan says:

    “After the Second World War, the emergence of an affluent society meant that the egalitarian and individualist tendencies of liberalism, which had always been present since at least the eighteenth century”

    To quote from the link pointing to an article refered to in this article, consisting of a contradiction in terms ‘The Postwar Triumph of Social Liberalism’.

    Liberalism is not at all egalitarian, it is democracy which is egalitarian, which produces egalitarian ‘atomization’ instead of original liberalism’s intention, which is individualization through individual freedom. We now have a complete confusion and mixing and fusion of contradictory ideas, because the original liberal ideas have been superseded by the rebellion of the people, called democracy, instigated by demagogues, a situation which has continued throughout the whole of the twentieth century, of which the latest fruit of constant democratic rebellion and destruction is called ‘woke’. Liberalism has no egalitarian tendencies in its original form, it sought to do away with class and birth based privileges, to arrive at a competence based structure, it didn’t seek to to away with classes, the latter is a product of democracy, and the misunderstanding of democratic people, and their long and envious toes.

    In the democracy the ideals of historical liberalism have been superseded by a situation where every individual became equal to the other, individually disempowered and ever more culturally atomized, because politicized to the point of absurdity. The only way of having influence in a democracy is by means of forming political organizations, the media and political parties (or infiltrating into them). Democratic people are not liberals in the original historical sense, not ever, socialist democracy becomes twice a dictatorship, and social liberalism is an impossible thing, mere two pretty words woven together.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  106. Bill P says:

    Hey what’s going on with these French generals threatening civil war a few days ago? It’s hardly getting any press here in the US, but it seems like kind of a big deal.

    • Replies: @Vojkan
  107. Vojkan says:
    @Bill P

    Here’s the letter in French:

    https://www.cercledespatriotessouverainistes.fr/2021/04/30/lettre-ouverte-a-nos-gouvernants-signee-par-20-generaux-et-1000-militaires/

    The generals – retired therefore relieved of their obligation of discretion – threatened nothing. They just made a rather mild – and rather naive if you ask me – call to reason to the government, warning that the current policy with regards to the systematic disparagement of French history and culture, or the violent repression of movements expressing legitimate grievances like the Yellow Vests on one hand and laxity with regards to the seditious behaviour of the immigrant population in the suburbs on the other, will inevitably lead to an increase in violence and to more division in society that will eventually cause a civil war.

    And how do idiots without arguments respond to reason? Like I’ve written on another thread, they gaslight, slander, jeer, taunt, insult, shame, intimidate. The reaction of the idiots ruling France is a compendium of such “arguments”.

  108. “Two thirds of Jewish parents who opt to send their children to Jewish schools say they fear their child will be attacked for being Jewish.”

    They really didn’t think through this whole “replacement” thing, did they?

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  109. anon[807] • Disclaimer says:
    @Levtraro

    1. “Anarchism” as defined by a lack of obvious hiearchies and lack of domination towards adult males (domination of groups like children and women and foreigners has always been a thing) is not possible past a certain population number in sedentary living with no obvious means to “escape” (mountains, water). Contra the fantasies of leftists like Marshall Sahlins, Stone Age tech societies in both the present and the past show Taliban-style regulations of women, being bound by ritual, genocidal warfare against outsiders (see also neanderthals getting wiped out) or at least killing off males and taking females (see ancient Europe), no notable respect for sexual deviants or freaks. Empires like the Proto-Indo-European and the Mongol and Comanche were formed with but the horse.

    2. The “global elites” seek the destruction/subordination of the White Man around the world. Nothing about policies like Actually Existing Environmentalism (targets Western countries despite the obvious pollution in non-White ones, doesn’t oppose mass immigration), calling for mass immigration, racemixing with the likes of Nogs, mass feminism, anti-Colonialism, Nig Supremacy, Achmeds, We Wuz Kangz history, support for homosexuality/trannies, denying race, attacking Western Civilization itself on a level no other civilization gets is something to be done unless waging war on Europa is the job. These elites are either hostile races (Jews, Chinese) or collaborators who’d rather rule in Hell (Anglos). They will destroy the White Man through all means.

    3. If/When the White Man is sufficiently wiped out/subjugated, the races among Da Elite will be able to rule over hordes of mongrels who pose no real threat to their rule. The aforementioned Brazil is indeed a solid model for this before for the globe.

    4. A man’s skin is his badge. Any narrative of the world/future that ignores this is lying/traitors.

    5. Domination and subjugation and extermination has been within this world since the dawn of man. Your grandma’s babble is just more Leftoid babble, rooted I suspect in a rejection of the will of the universe. There can be no elite without someone to exploit, women to rape (something I imagine would happen quickly enough to “anarchist women” once the menfolk are killed when the raider chads and city slickers come around), men to bar from territory. Enough men are born to dominate.

    See also:

    https://thuletide.wordpress.com/2021/04/23/on-accelerationism-why-praying-for-the-collapse-is-an-escapist-fantasy/

  110. @HyperDupont

    Democracy in any meaningful form, and capitalism, in any form, are mutually antithetic. OK, antithetic. Perhaps the two most antithetic entities in the omniverse.

  111. @Mr Blister

    Thirty-five hundred years of group xenophobia and paranoia bearing fruit. Hence, ‘Rise, and kill first’, the true Zionazi modus operandi.

  112. @Johan

    The only way of having influence in a ‘liberal democracy’ is by buying it, fair and square, in the corruption Market. As John Norton, the distinguished 19th century Sydney publisher, politician, drunkard and scoundrel had it-‘An honest cop is one who, when bought, stays bought’. Noble, liberal, sentiments indeed.

    • Replies: @Johan
  113. Johan says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Right, where liberal in a democracy means ‘licentiousness’ mistaken for freedom. You can only buy yourself into that indeed.

  114. @Alfred

    Merci pour confirmer, ça me plaît de partager le bon vieux temps, le jour de hier, la Rue St. Denis,
    les maquereaux, les filles, Jean Gabin, des jours divers.

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