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In contrast to the situation in the Anglo-American world – where detailed racial data gives a good sense of most groups’ educational and socio-economic performance, criminality, voting patterns, etc. – there is no systematic collection of such data in France.

This means that we have to estimate the general situation using proxy data, such as first names in birth registries and voter registration rolls, the percentage of children tested for sickle-cell disease, or parallels with comparable countries who do have some data (such as Great Britain and Belgium).

The French pollster Jérôme Fourquet has gathered a considerable set of data on France’s Muslim communities. As he documents in his book L’Archipel français, there is a clear pattern of residential (self-)segregation and socio-economic stratification along ethno-religious lines:

Even if this phenomenon [of immigration] is not new, the geographical concentration of certain communities, associated with the quasi-planetary diversification of migratory flows and the impressive demographic rise of populations from the Arab-Muslim worlds constitute major drivers for the archipelization of French society. (p. 143)

Settlement patterns are strongly influenced by “family and acquaintances networks” (p. 142). As a result, immigrant groups in France tend to not only be concentrated in particular neighborhoods, but also tend to come from particular areas and communities within the home country.

Using data from voter registration rolls, Fourquet could determine that in the municipality of Sarcelles (population 58,000, in the northern suburbs of Paris), 92% of Indians are from Pondicherry (a former French colonial possession) or the surrounding state of Tamil Nadu (p 142). Similarly, Sarcelles hosts a significant community of Christian Chaldeans overwhelmingly hailing from just three Turkish districts. If you give immigrants even a toehold into the country, this greatly facilitates the whole clan being brought over.

These ethnic clustering patterns are long-term if not permanent. For instance, Armenians are still heavily concentrated in certain areas of Marseille (making up 10-40% of some neighborhoods), despite the fact they mostly arrived in France after 1915, around a century ago (p. 142-3).

Seine-Saint-Denis, France’s most Afro-Islamic département, a county outside of Paris in the 1900s and the 2010s.
Seine-Saint-Denis, France’s most Afro-Islamic département, a county outside of Paris in the 1900s and the 2010s.

The tendency of ethnic clustering and self-segregation is being reinforced by the sheer scale of immigration, particularly Islamic. It is becoming easier and easier for Muslims to live among their own and not have to adapt to local French norms:

The greater the immigrant presence, the greater the tendency to reject mixed marriages among Muslims, reaching 35% or even 37% in neighborhoods and municipalities with a very high immigrant presence (15% to 30% immigrants or immigrants’ children in the local population). (p. 153)

One set of polls found conflicting tendencies: between 2011 and 2016, the percentage of Muslims who would be happy if their son married a non-Muslim rose from 41% to 56%, while those who would be happy if their daughter married outside the faith fell from 38% to 35% (p. 152). Interestingly, the more educated a Muslim is, the more likely he/she is to intermarry with a non-Muslim (p. 158). The less educated working class Muslims are more hostile to intermarriage, reproducing the pattern of ethnocentric sentiment inversely correlating with intelligence and socio-economic status.

Hostility to intermarriage is suggestive of the clash of values between native French and Muslims. As a rule, we can expect initially stark differences between liberal post-60s Frenchmen and first-generation Muslims hailing from relatively traditional societies, and then a partial convergence as the immigrants acculturate to the new environment (or, to some extent, as the French are reeducated to “adapt” to the newcomers’ cultures).

Convergence has always been limited. Muslims in France are no more likely to adopt French names for their children they they were in the past (p. 161). Muslim naming follows its own patterns completely independent from the general French population (p. 162). Whereas the French population overwhelmingly supports women’s right to abortion or gays’ right to “be free to live as they wish,” only small majorities of French Muslims also do so (p. 165).

Convergence may have, if anything, peaked as there is evidence of a resurgence in Islamic sentiment:

The studies and polls that we have all converge in indicating a greater frequency and observance of religious signs in the population of Muslim faith or origin. The turning point seems to have been the early 2000s. (p. 163)

In the early 1990s, around 60% of Muslims in France fasted for Ramadan, the figure for the 2000s varied between 67% and 71% (p. 164). In the 1990s, 35% to 39% of Muslims said they drank alcohol, a figure which fell to 32% in 2011 and 22% in 2016. The proportion of Muslim women wearing headscarves has risen from 24% in 2003 to 35% in 2016. Perhaps most surprisingly, a recent poll found that young Muslims are significantly more hostile to sex before marriage than are their elders. Whereas 55% of Muslims over 50 said “A woman should remain a virgin until marriage,” 74% of 18-24 year-olds were of this opinion (p. 167).

It is unclear what is driving this re-Islamization. In addition to the Muslim community’s growing confidence as it also grows in size, it may also be an ethno-religious reaction to certain polemics of the early 2000s: the War on Terror, the renewed Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and new measures by conservative French politicians to limit overt Islamization (such as the 2004 ban on headscarves in schools or President Nicolas Sarkozy’s “Le Pen-lite” campaigning). President Emmanuel Macron’s draft “law against separatisms” may have a similar effect, aiming as it does to eliminate Islamism through various measures so as to assuage native French fears, measures which will likely stoke greater ethno-religious sentiment and a feeling of persecution (justified or not) among Muslims.

We can expect to see a continued cycle reinforcing Muslim and native French ethnic/religious sentiment as measures appealing to the French offend Muslims, Muslims adopting behavior offensive to the native French, and so forth. One of the most common vectors of this: cases of alleged police brutality becoming causes célèbres for protest among Muslims (and Africans), in a context of distinctly higher Muslim (and African) violent criminality).

There is strong evidence that the Muslim vote is opportunistic according to ethnic interests as against any particular principles. Whereas Turks in France largely vote for the multicultural, feminist, secularist, and redistributionist left in French elections, in 2017 65% of eligible Turks voted in favor of the referendum strengthening the powers Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, a nationalistic Islamist politician (p. 141). The Turks indeed have developed their own cultural and political ecosystem in France, with spiritual leadership being provided by Turkish state-paid imams. Astonishingly, Erdoğan’s Law and Justice Party (AKP) fielded 68 candidates in the French legislative elections of June 2017 (p. 172).

The Turks admittedly appear to be an especially endogamous community, with 85% Turks in France marrying fellow Turks (p. 170). By contrast, only small majorities of Moroccans and Algerians marry their co-nationals (though it is unclear how many of the “exogamous” in these two groups are marrying non-Muslims). Only a quarter of southern European and Indochinese immigrants marry fellow nationals. Christian Blacks intermarry more than do Muslim Blacks.

Black and Muslim immigrants have had a very detrimental effect on the French student body. Among 11 year olds, some 11.8% of French citizen children are a year behind at school, as against 32.4% of foreign children (p. 208). Second-generation immigrant children score on average 50 points worse on PISA exams, a figure that no doubt understates Afro-Islamic underperformance, because it includes European and Asian immigrant children (who, according to other metrics, appear to perform comparably to natives). There is a clear correlation between students’ educational performance and parents’ income.

The school system is increasingly segregated – Afro-Islamic children being concentrated in certain neighborhoods because of a combination of residential clustering and White flight. According to the researcher Georges Felouzis, the segregating factor is primarily ethnicity and not social class (p. 209). 37% of teachers say they have self-censored themselves to not offend students and 59% say that secularism is in danger in France (p. 215). This can indeed be a matter of life and death, as we discovered with the decapitation of history teacher Samuel Paty.

The Afro-Islamization of neighborhoods has coincided with the emergence of “sensitive areas” in middle-sized cities across the country, with similar patterns of crime, drug dealing, and attacks on police and firefighters (p. 184).

There has been an explosion of marijuana use across the country. In 1993, 21% of 17-year-olds had used marijuana, rising to 50.2% in 2002 (roughly stabilizing around that level, p. 195). An estimated 200,000 people live from this illicit industry as dealers and suppliers, with back-and-forth trips especially to producers in Morocco (p. 198). This rare example of entrepreneurship among youth in France today unfortunately coincides with the development of gangs and lawless buildings/neighborhoods controlled by local toughs. 76% of police officers are worried about the growth of no-go areas (p. 215).

Selfie taken by Mohamed Lahouaiej Bouhlel, shortly before driving a truck down the Promenade des Anglais in Nice on Bastille Day 2016, killing 86 people.
Selfie taken by Mohamed Lahouaiej Bouhlel, shortly before driving a truck down the Promenade des Anglais in Nice on Bastille Day 2016, killing 86 people.

All this data is suggestive of the state and effects of Muslims in France. Beyond the explosion of spectacular Islamist terrorist attacks which have killed hundreds in Europe since the 2010s, there is the more humdrum day-to-day emergence of highly distinct and endogamous subcultures – to not say parallel societies –, crime, and relative social, economic, and academic failure. The latter represents a downgrade by European standards but is not comparable to, say, the condition of Black America.

It remains unclear whether Muslims, beyond forming communitarian subcultures, will gain in political agency over time or whether they will remain, like Hispanics in the United States of America, largely politically inert, leaning heavily towards a universalist-feminist-secularist-redistributionist left under White/Jewish leadership. Paradoxically, a strong Islamic identity both threatens indigenous European culture and is more likely to limit interactions/intermarriage between Europeans and Muslims, as well as reawaken Europeans to their own identity and tradition amidst the reigning nihilism.

 
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  1. Anonymous[539] • Disclaimer says:

    Religion (particularly islam) is more important as a proxy for race (usually a race of middle to low IQ and self-control) than anything else. Smart Muslims will quickly turn non-Muslim once in France.

    The big issue for France is that the qualitative gap between the top quarter of the population and the bottom quarter is bound to get bigger and bigger (heading to a Brazil-type situation), while the median drops quickly from one genaration to the next.

  2. One set of polls found conflicting tendencies: between 2011 and 2016, the percentage of Muslims who would be happy if their son married a non-Muslim rose from 41% to 56%, while those who would be happy if their daughter married outside the faith fell from 38% to 35%

    They should have polled how many of those would insist that their spouse should convert to Islam, how many would convert to the spouse’s religion, or be happy for each to keep their own. Probably most of those happy to marry a non-Muslim would just want to use it to spread Islam. These people move to your country and expect you to respect their culture but refuse to respect yours.

  3. VICB3 says:

    “L’Immigration sans Assimilation est une Formule de Catastrophe.”

    “Immigration without Assimilation is a Formula for Disaster.”

    It should be carved in granite and prominently displayed in every French government building as a reminder that dissimilar cultures in close proximity ultimately will go to war with each other.

    And yes, we ought to have the same reminders in the U.S. as well.

    Just a thought.

    VicB3

  4. VICB3 says:
    @Anonymous

    Take away the free stuff for immigrants, and your immigration and non-assimilation problems will go away.

    It’s the Bird Feeder Analogy in practice: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=bird+feeder+analogy&t=ffab&ia=web and scroll down past the ads.

    Just a thought.

    VicB3

  5. 18.5%. Now just imagine if some intelligent person imagined something like, say, vote harvesting and massive mail-in ballots. Thousands of votes from tent wearing women being dumped in town halls without their even touching them.

  6. The absence of ethnic statistics in France reflects the official equalitarian French ideology. There is a strong social taboo against counting people by race or ethnicity (in addition to legal prohibition). I used to think it was a negative. However, the availability of racial data in the US regarding crime or test scores doesn’t seem to have contributed to a more informed public debate or better sociological analyses. If anything, the easy availability of forbidden knowledge (Steve Sailer, VDARE or AMREN are just a few clicks away) seems to have increased the level of hysteria: normies must be discouraged to notice patterns or think about it and anyone who shows signs that he might must be publicly denounced as a Nazi.
    More importantly, ethnic statistics in the US and UK have enabled the cancerous growth of the Diversity and Inclusion Industry, because there are so many statistical achievement gaps and disparate impacts to redress.
    There are also pressures in favor of mandatory diversity in France, and this has led to legal sex quotas for many elective positions. But there is no entrenched affirmative action for racial minorities. Admittedly, there are symbolic hires of visible minorities. Also no doubt, a student from a visible minority able to pass through the harsh filter of the anonymous written exams for admission to a Grande Ecoles, will receive a more sympathetic treatment in the oral interview than a boring White male. But this is nothing like the complete double standard in US college admissions.
    As for affirmative action in employment, large French companies do talk about how they value diversity (much less than US companies, fortunately), but they are not allowed to officially count the proportion of racial or ethnic minorities they employ (contrary to women). As a result, companies can’t measure “progress” towards the diversity Nirvana and cannot easily be held accountable or sued for not doing enough.
    Conclusion: on balance, the taboo against ethnic statistics is probably a net positive in the current French context. Maybe we should also push for a prohibition of statistics by sex, since after all gender is just a social construct, gender identity is fluid, and we wouldn’t want to entrench stereotypes, would we?

  7. Talha says:
    @Commentator Mike

    refuse to respect yours

    As wiki says:
    “Lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender (LGBT) rights in France have been among some of the most advanced in the world.”
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_France

    I think French immigration policy should be clear and straightforward; have a question on the application form saying something like:
    “Check all the boxes that you would be happy with your son dating:
    — female
    — male
    — trans”

    And just reject anyone who doesn’t check all boxes. And then have a Ministry of Transgender Dating that follows up and makes sure that they are being set up with trans-people for dating (kind of like how criminals have to check in with parole officers) otherwise they will be expelled from the country.

    That should do the trick.

    Peace.

  8. Talha says:

    It is becoming easier and easier for Muslims to live among their own and not have to adapt to local French norms.

    And when French were in places like Algeria:
    “It is becoming easier and easier for French to live among their own and not have to adapt to local Muslim norms.”

    I am shocked, SHOCKED(!!!), that an intelligent people like the French didn’t actually learn a lesson from their own history of mass immigrating to some other land. SHOCKED!!!

    Peace.

  9. @VICB3

    Take away the free stuff for immigrants, and your immigration and non-assimilation problems will go away.

    Wrong, CivNat. Culture is downstream from biology. If the biology is too far apart, you will never – never – have assimilation. You could cut off all govt aid the United States and blacks would not start acting like whites.

    Give up your CivNat fantasy.

    • Agree: 3g4me
    • Replies: @RoatanBill
    , @Marckus
  10. @HyperDupont

    Wrong. Ignoring the invasion of your lands doesn’t solve the problem.

    CivNats like yourself seem to think that they only problem is a lack of assimilation, that if we only pressured non-whites to act white more forcefully, they’d all turn into khaki-wearing accountants and engineers. That’s ludicrous.

    Culture is downstream from biology. If the biology of two groups is too far apart, there’s zero chance one side will assimilate.

    Blacks as a group will never become whites in dark face.

    Instead of hiding from the problem by not keeping statistics on the destruction of your people, maybe you should stand up for your people.

    • Replies: @HyperDupont
    , @KenH
  11. German_reader says:

    between 2011 and 2016, the percentage of Muslims who would be happy if their son married a non-Muslim rose from 41% to 56%, while those who would be happy if their daughter married outside the faith fell from 38% to 35%

    Actually makes sense from a perspective of latent ethnic warfare imo, presumably they expect that a non-Muslim woman marrying a Muslim man will convert to Islam and be lost to the native population, further demoralizing them. Whereas with a Muslim girl outmarrying there’s a risk she’ll adopt Western liberal notions and be lost to her people and religion.
    Anyway, the good thing about France is that you’ve got nuclear weapons, if you ever decide to solve this issue, this should at least limit the potential for intervention by the Americans or other outside powers (provided of course that the French military will be on the side of the native reaction).

    • Replies: @brabantian
    , @JM
  12. Muslims account for between 20% and 25% of births in France. Africans probably account for another 5% or so, so ~30%. Between differing birth rates and immigration (even if France reduced immigration), that number likely will rise between 1/2 and one percent a year.

    In a decade or two, Muslims will make up 35-40% of births in France with non-Muslim Africans making up ~10%. Twenty-five years after that, France is finished.

    The ethnic French have ten to twenty years to prevent their country’s destruction. If not, they will either find themselves in a civil war or increasingly under the domination of Muslims.

    Two decades. The clock is ticking.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Creatura
    , @neutral
  13. Was the “selfie” of the supposed 2016 Nice truck driver killer actually taken by Richard Guhtjar for Mossad Photo Agency? https://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/07/22/nice-munich/

    The major “Islamic terror” incidents in France are all likely or proven false flags: https://www.unz.com/book/kevin_barrett__we-are-not-charlie-hebdo/ http://anotherfrenchfalseflag.blogspot.com

    • Agree: RedpilledAF
    • Replies: @TKK
  14. Creatura says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Been saying this for awhile and don’t think Poland, Hungary or Russia are any better.

    They’ll be in the same positions in 10 years time. I expect another mass immigration event in Europe.

  15. xxxeliss says:

    in 2015, 15% of the French population had at least one non-European grandparent

  16. @Talha

    I agree that all that LGBT and a lot of other nonsense is becoming part of Western “culture” and not deserving of much respect but it is not for foreigners/immigrants to help resolve it. If anything it should be left to the indigenous to solve their own problems.

    • Replies: @Talha
  17. @Talha

    All credit to the Algerians for having no qualms or pangs of conscience when they kicked out the French and the traitors who served the colonists. Luckily they didn’t have to worry about anyone calling them racist, fascist or Nazi for kicking out the French. If only so many others, who should have been enjoying their independence and freedom from the colonists, hadn’t followed their traitorous fifth columnists to France to live alongside the hated French and are doing so up to and including today and tomorrow. Still, Europeans could learn something from those old style Algerians who fought a merciless war of liberation to kick out the foreigners.

    • Agree: Bernie
    • Replies: @Talha
  18. France is hellbent on fulfilling the Jews Kelergi Plan for the destruction of the white nations. Miscegenation, demoralization, destabilization and stagnation for all the nations except the Khazar thugs of Israel. As the nationalist character and I.Q. is lowered it will be easier for the Zionist elite to manage the herd on their way to the Sustainable Development Initiative (Agenda 2030-21).

    • Agree: Irish Savant
  19. Talha says:
    @Commentator Mike

    becoming part of Western “culture”

    Actually, it’s pretty much a distinguishing factor of western culture at this point that sets it apart from other cultures.

    If anything it should be left to the indigenous to solve their own problems.

    I get this, I was simply pointing out how the French could get Muslims to go home all the while virtue signaling how they did it for the greater good of the transgender community.

    Peace.

  20. To single out one religion (Islam) as a problem when they all are as bad as each other is pretty dumb. Catholicism is as big as problem as Islam in France.

    • Agree: Kratoklastes
    • LOL: Irish Savant, 3g4me
    • Replies: @RoatanBill
    , @Colin Wright
  21. Talha says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Yeah, seems to be a total cluster****. The only difference being that the French weren’t invited into Algeria while the majority of the immigrants in France were literally given a chance to apply to come in legally. Was that a smart move by the French? That’s for them to figure out.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  22. @Citizen of a Silly Country

    CivNats like yourself seem to think that they only problem is a lack of assimilation, that if we only pressured non-whites to act white more forcefully, they’d all turn into khaki-wearing accountants and engineers. That’s ludicrous.

    Two possible interpretations of your comments:
    1) You have extraordinary mind-reading abilities and are able to read my subconscious thoughts: I was a civic nationalist and HBD unaware and I didn’t even know it, or,
    2) You have poor reading comprehension.

  23. @Talha

    They weren’t invited by the French people. Oh well, the government of the politicians. I’m sure many colonists signed some deals with tribal chiefs they plied with alcohol and trinkets to give them concessions.

    • Replies: @Talha
  24. @Talha

    France has got to be one of the most confounding nations in the western world. Their concept of religious liberty — at least as it is practiced today — is quite distinct from that of America, where any effort to codify anti-religious legislation wouldn’t be nearly so successful. To the French, secularism is the official state religion and all that threatens it must be ground under foot.

    Reminds me a lot of Mustafa Kemal and his serial “revolutions” aimed at relegating Islam to an antiquated cultural pastime. That hasn’t turned out very well for Kemalists.

    • Agree: Talha
    • Replies: @Malla
  25. kratic says:

    The author can have his own cooked up facts. Here are my facts.
    1. Who is going to do menials job in France. The populations is getting old. French birth rate is on decline so the question is who is going to support the French retirees. Naturally immigrants. Same goes for other European industrial countries.
    2. France had colonized African and South East Asian countries. Looted left and right. What are French doing in those mineral rich however, poor African countries. When those Africans migrate to France or Europe then we start seeing such articles like this one.
    3. France destroyed Algeria and many other countries. and still actively doing it.
    4. Two years ago during Syrian Refugees crises Germany accepted 1-1.5 million refugees. It was not through the goodness of their heart. No . She need workers to sustain it industrial export and maintain it social programs for it retirees.
    5. If you exclude immigrants from Great Britain (I always ask Brits what is so great about Britain) what is left. Just some potatoes growing opportunities.
    Unfortunately, most of the labor that is imported from poor countries is uneducated and they come from the lower end of economic and social scale. They bring their own culture not truly reflective of their native country.

  26. songbird says:
    @VICB3

    Assimilation is a rather destructive myth. Only closely related peoples can assimilate, and even then, only when there is small numbers of them.

    Jews and Gypsies never assimilated, despite being in Europe for a thousand years. They are too genetically distinct from Europeans.

    Every major party in Europe seems to take an assimilationist platform. Of course, it is all a joke. That is the only position that a bioleninist society allows. Even then, you will be vilified if you are for reducing immigration, so the migrants already here can “assimilate.”

    The UK’s Muslim population is smaller, but they recently launched a “Diversity Built Britain” coin there. The counter-jihad people would say the people who support that motto aren’t a problem, if they aren’t Muslim.

  27. songbird says:
    @VICB3

    Take away the free stuff for immigrants, and your immigration and non-assimilation problems will go away.

    Welfare is only a sweetener, among a multitude of reasons.

    They are here because the institutions. Because it is more profitable to work in a country with whites. Because white women are better looking. Because you can get reliable electricity here and not malaria or elephantiasis, or be bitten by poisonous snakes. Because some places like Somalia are natural hellscapes. Because of affirmative action and lawfare and because of people like Soros who want to destroy Europeans.

    And some have come purely for conquest.

    • Agree: 3g4me
  28. Interestingly, the more educated a Muslim is, the more likely he/she is to intermarry with a non-Muslim

    I wouldn’t have used the word “Interestingly” in that context: it’s exactly what would be expected a priori.

    Imagine if France hadn’t tried to have an Empire that started literally straight across the Mediterranean from Marseilles.

    Imagine if France hadn’t fucked itself – as Britain did – with “Great Power” contests, like seeing who could put the national piss-mark on different bits of Africa and the Middle East.

    (During WWII, England and de Gaulle’s ‘Free French’ very nearly came to armed conflict over promised independence for Syria and who would be the indigenous political leader; thankfully de Gaulle was almost entirely reliant on handouts from the UK, so he had to back down. No surprise that regional instability continues to the present).

    I’m something a Francophile, but only with respect to rural France (and particularly the Puy-de-Dôme and the uninhabited bits of the Ariège – with the Aude given an honourable mention solely for cassoulet).

    The brute fact is that France is a Third World economy with an endless range of monuments to its military failures (going all the way back to Vercingetorix getting his Gaulish arse whupped by a different pack of wogs – that merits a huge statue in main place in Clermont-Ferrand, for some reason).

    Outside of the 10 major cities, France has a massive demographic problem: there is fuck-all industry or employment, and young adults cannot wait to leave.

    As I say so often: give the Muzzie immigrants a couple of generations to develop some wealth, and they will slough off the religious nonsense like everyone else does (except Bible-Belt Americans: there’s probably an organic cause – hookworm or lead paint).

    Besides… most Froggo-Muzzies are Beur (i.e., originally from the Maghreb), not SSAns: they are nowhere near as restricted in their capacity to adapt. The fact that they arrive dirt-poor and pig-ignorant explains most of their adherence to primitive bullshit – and that’s pretty much the same explanation as the Eastern European hovel-dwellers who invaded Palestine in the mid-to-late 20th century.

    The descendants of the latter are just about majority-atheist – sure, they retain a stupid racial-supremacist overlay, but that’s waning as well (outmarriage is the norm among Red Sea Pedestrians, except the uberWhackballs).

    Give the Muzzie-Froggoes the same freedom of action and they’ll exhibit the same eugenic traits.

    • Thanks: joe2.5
  29. In other news from France:

    FRANCE ROCKED BY LEFT-WING ESTABLISHMENT’S PEDERASTY SCANDAL
    https://affirmativeright.blogspot.com/2021/02/france-rocked-by-left-wing-scandal.html

    • Replies: @A123
  30. It is unclear what is driving this re-Islamization.

    Explained by Muslims’ growing strength and a corresponding weakening of the French hosts. Islam is red in tooth and claw and thrives under such conditions.

  31. @HyperDupont

    The rich sources of statistics captured by the US would in fact have contributed to a more informed public debate and better sociological analyses but PC dogma precluded any such usage.

    • Replies: @Hyperdupont
  32. @HyperDupont

    Apologies if I misinterpreted. I took your argument for getting rid of race statistics to be along the lines of the French and thus the epitome of Civic Nationalism.

    Btw, a person can by HBD aware AND a CivNat. You see it all the time in Sailer’s comments. Indeed, there are many whites who are HBD aware but not pro-white. Understanding that there are racial differences on average doesn’t mean someone will feel a loyalty to their own race.

    Personally, I think that these people are deluded. Smart people from other races generally feel a solidarity to their own people and act to promote their group’s interests. If we don’t do the same, we won’t make it. Colorblind CivNat whites are genetic dead end. They’ll die out or be absorbed by more tribal groups.

    • Agree: Hyperdupont
  33. @Creatura

    Yes, the author was incorrect to compare Hispanics in the US to Muslims. Hispanics lower Western civilization; Muslims destroy it.

    Too bad about Eastern Europe, I was hoping that they’d be our last stand. Western Europe, the United States, Canada and Australia are all a couple of decades away from being lost. That’s not to say that whites are a lost cause, but if we survive, it won’t be as part of what were those countries. We’ll need to carve out our own communities within those dying societies and, maybe, just maybe, way down the road, fight for our autonomy.

    It’s too bad. It all could have been so easily avoided.

  34. Talha says:
    @Commentator Mike

    I’m sure many colonists signed some deals with tribal chiefs

    If you are planning to ply people with goodies, you don’t send in young men armed with guns and cannons. France enacted a scorched earth policy against any resistance, often targeting their women and old people. This wasn’t unique to France to be honest, this was par for the course in that era of colonial rule – even the Turks were guilty of this. France just recently returned some victory skulls that they had carted off to France after beheading resistance leaders. That was a very different era for many people:

    “A young woman writing a thank you note to her boyfriend in the Navy for the skull of a Japanese soldier that he sent, 1944”
    https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/young-woman-japanese-skull-1944/

    Peace.

    • Thanks: RedpilledAF, showmethereal
  35. German_reader says:
    @kratic

    Two years ago during Syrian Refugees crises Germany accepted 1-1.5 million refugees. It was not through the goodness of their heart. No . She need workers to sustain it industrial export and maintain it social programs for it retirees.

    Go fuck yourself cretin, these people are a massive burden, most of them are unemployed and on welfare, and since so many of them are uneducated low-IQ peasants they’re likely to remain so, we’ll have to pay them Danegeld forever so they don’t become “radicalized” or burn down cities in riots (and if it still happens, it will all be due to “racism”). They’re making Germany’s demographic problems worse, by taking away resources which could be used for German families instead. Worst “investment” ever.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  36. neutral says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Two decades. The clock is ticking.

    The French lost their land in 1945, their last hope of survival was to be a satellite of the Third Reich. Everything that came after that was inevitable and could not be stopped.

  37. A123 says:
    @Commentator Mike

    In other news from France:

    FRANCE ROCKED BY LEFT-WING ESTABLISHMENT’S PEDERASTY SCANDAL

    Is anyone surprised? Muslim culture is about replicating Muhammad’s life, which included raping Aisha when she was 9 years old. Normalizing paedophilia is inherent to Islam. Look at the French Muslim film Mignonnes (a.k.a. Cuties). The entire point of this piece of Islamic “art” was to sexualize little girls and make them more available to Muslim men.

    Assimilation simply does not work. At some point France will have to take a serious effort at de-Islamification. This could begin much sooner than the EU Globalist Elites would like voters to believe: (1)

    Marine Le Pen has never been closer to seizing power in France than she is now.

    Despite having kept a somewhat low profile in recent months, the leader of the far-right National Rally has reason to be confident. Early polls show her not only reaching a run-off round against President Emmanuel Macron in 2022, but winning a larger share of the vote than ever before.

    The implication — worrying to Macron’s allies — is that the tactical voting which has always worked to keep the Le Pens out of the highest office may no longer be enough.

    A wave of terror attacks last year and the ensuing debate about France’s integration model has also played to Le Pen’s strengths

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.politico.eu/article/marine-le-pen-return-france-elections-national-rally/

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Druid
  38. Anonymous[334] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Smart Muslims will quickly turn non-Muslim once in France.

    Like the Muslim engineers caught devising terror plans in the West?

    Some of the smart Muslims will assimilate. Most won’t. Westerners just can’t seem to fathom that in the Muslim world most people across all classes of society truly believe in the teachings of their religion, and in quite a literal manner, too. Why would they let go of it, especially now that there’s an entire parallel society in France, and victory over the French state and the French people (and with it, the fulfilment of their religious duties) is basically in sight?

    Even just looking at the minority of Muslims who don’t care much about religion… What’s supposed to be their motivation to dump their ancestral traditions and identity and align themselves with a less and less important group of retreating losers instead of sticking with their own strong and ascendant one?

    • Replies: @Johnny Smoggins
  39. @German_reader

    Re ‘French nuclear weapons’ they are just like Pakistan’s LOL – Quite demonstrably – I kid you not – nuclear weapons have never existed. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were only two more horrible urban napalm fire-bombings, less devastating than what hit Tokyo five months earlier – but re-packaged with a fake story of a ‘new awesome weapon’. A Reader’s Digest article in February 1946, even let on that ‘nuclear weapons’ were fake.

    – Hiroshima & Nagasaki were chemical firebombings like Tokyo, Osaka, Yokohama, houses were wood so wiped out
    – Smoking gun on Hiroshima, US records show 66 planes same day & hour sent to firebomb ‘Imabari’ … which no longer existed
    – Mushroom clouds are chemical, nuke explosion videos shown to be fake
    – Swedish engineer Anders Björkman showed for years how nuke bombs are impossible
    – German Jesuit John Siemes in Hiroshima reports many witnesses seeing multiple planes
    – US military witnesses admitted even flag poles still stood under ‘ground zero’, nothing was ‘vapourised’
    – Death penalty was threatened in 1945 for any Japanese or Americans who tried to deny the nuke hoax
    – All 10 historic ‘nuclear powers’ joined in the fake, starting with Stalin’s Russia the ‘Best Enemy Money Can Buy’, getting tech and goodies via Israel during Cold War
    1945 – USA HAS NUCLEAR BOMBS EVERYBODY SUBMIT
    1949 – COMMIE RUSSIA HAS THE BOMB OMG SPEND TRILLIONS
    1952 – UK HAS THE BOMB even tho flat broke
    1960 – FRANCE & DEGAULLE HAVE THE BOMB
    1964 – COMMIE CHINA HAS THE BOMB OMG
    1966 – ISRAEL HAS THE BOMB JEWS WILL SAMSON OPTION EVERYBODY
    1974 – INDIA HAS THE BOMB
    1979 – SOUTH AFRICA HAS THE BOMB & WILL NUKE BLACKS then ‘took nuke bombs apart’ so Mandela wouldn’t reveal the scam
    1998 – PAKISTAN MUSLIMS HAVE THE BOMB & OSAMA OR TERRORISTS MIGHT GET AHOLD OF IT
    2006 – NORTH KOREA CRAZY ASIANS HAVE THE BOMB
    All a big, profitable terror joke by the usual suspects

    • Replies: @A123
    , @German_reader
    , @GMC
  40. A123 says:
    @brabantian

    So, you believe what Tom Lehrer produced in 1965?

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Druid
    , @kratic
    , @kratic
  41. German_reader says:
    @brabantian

    I bet you’re the type who enjoys telling children that Father Christmas isn’t real. I believe in nukes and their awesome power, and nothing you’re going to say will dissuade me.

  42. Iris says:
    @A123

    Is anyone surprised? Muslim culture is about replicating Muhammad’s life, which included raping Aisha

    What is not surprising is that A123 the Zionist troll is at it again, defending the Talmudic indefensible.

    As it happens, the new, sickening paedophilia scandals rocking France are, as is almost always the case, caused by the filth emanating from members of your Superior Tribe and has nothing to do with Catholics or Muslims.

    Camille Kouchner, the daughter of war-monger Sayan Bernard Kouchner, has recently published a book revealing how her 14-year old twin brother was sexually abused for years by their stepfather, leading spin doctor Olivier Duhamel. All their Jewish/Zionist family circle knew about it and kept schtum for decades. The only person this abuse somehow troubled was her goy aunt, famous actress Marie-France Pisier, who was quickly silenced and found tied to a metal chair at the bottom of a swimming pool.

    Similarly, foremost actor Richard Berry, real name Benguigui, has just been accused by his eldest daughter of having abused her for years. From age 8, her father would have raped her and obliged her to take part in sex games with his second wife.
    Despite the abjection and seriousness of these accusations, Berry-Benguigui is still publicly supported by France’s Zionist elite, including President Sarkozy, for his lifelong commitment to Israel. Berry held the leading role within propaganda film “Pour Sacha” produced to justify the 1967 occupation of Palestine.
    https://www.tellerreport.com/news/2021-02-11-—richard-berry-accused-of-incest–his-daughter-coline-auditioned–%22a-necessary-ordeal%22—france-24–.ryzcaoxQWu.html

    From sex with young girls and young boys to routine incest, the Zionist Talmudic elite is providing us all with an astounding real-time illustration of the “values” it promotes and lives to the full. So just STFU.

    • Thanks: Commentator Mike, Druid
    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
    , @Alden
  43. Bookish1 says:

    “It is impossible for a man to become assimilated with people whoes blood is different than ones own”
    Vladimar Jabotinsky

    • Replies: @stevennonemaker88
  44. martin_2 says:
    @kratic

    …I always ask Brits what is so great about Britain…

    Then they must think you are a profoundly witty and original thinker! “Great Britain” is a geographical term that references the whole of the British Isles, including Eire. It has nothing to do with anyone’s value judgement.

  45. @Iris

    Although this scandal has absolutely nothing to do with Muslims, it has to be said that the elites (Jewish and other) share a propensity for this kind of thing with the Christian priests and the Muslim general population.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  46. @Commentator Mike

    They should have polled how many of those would insist that their spouse should convert to Islam,

    You do not have to poll. It is a known fact. They take the women,convert them to Islam and make them follow Islamic dress code in Europe. The French who thought to have defeated Christianity are now crying and want to use secularism to suppress Islam. They will fail because Islam is not Christianity and French women will make sure that Islam grows through their fertile wombs. Secularism is the best thing that has ever happened to Muslims because it destroys the immune system of Western societies. I feel sorry for Eric Zemmour. He is fighting a losing battle.

    Probably most of those happy to marry a non-Muslim would just want to use it to spread Islam.

    That is the case in France and Europe in general.

  47. @Anonymous

    Smart Muslims will quickly turn non-Muslim once in France.

    That is not true. An Algerian brain surgeon who got married to a daughter of a mayor of a French town after a short time in France is now one of the leaders of the French Muslim community. As far as education is concerned the more a Muslim gets educated the more he gets pride in his religion and culture.

    In general Muslims become more conservative as they grow older. So, don’t get deceived by the few Muslims that drink and have good time.

    • Replies: @moi
  48. Druid says:
    @A123

    A123 ziofuck is back . Eff off zio! I thought you were bowing to a Roman wall forever. Just eff off!

    • Replies: @cohen
  49. Druid says:
    @A123

    Still her effer! Fuc your brand of zio peace!

  50. Anonymous[327] • Disclaimer says:
    @German_reader

    Too true.

    Europe used to lead the world *centuries* before these people were imposed on Europe.

  51. @Commentator Mike

    Although this scandal has absolutely nothing to do with Muslims

    Just öhh – step – – back a bit and – – – think of Rotherham – and how Rotherham has been swept under the rug by the French elite in the media and you can quite easily see that yes, these things are intertwined.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  52. @Citizen of a Silly Country

    You put the cart before the horse. VICB3 is correct.

    If you take away the free stuff one doesn’t have to worry about assimilation because without the free stuff the mongrels can’t survive and will have to go back where they came from or starve. Once word gets out that the gravy train has stopped, they’ll stop coming. It is the welfare that they want because its a better existence than what they have in the home land.

    Stop the free schooling. Stop the free or subsidized housing. Stop the pandering to them in their own language. Stop supplying them with social workers. Stop allowing them to work for those few that want to. Simply make like difficult to impossible for them and they have no choice but to retreat. As a bonus, bulldoze their mosques as a sign that says we don’t want your kind around here.

  53. @Oliver D. Smith

    Your assertion is an over simplification. The Muslims are mental midgets according to their IQ statistics. Low IQ people are also more violence prone. In general, the Muslims represent a population incapable of living and WORKING inside a more sophisticated society. They need to be in an environment of similar dolts such as where they came from to feel welcomed.

    When they’re in a more civilized environment, all they can do is help tear it down and the last few decades show this to be true no matter where they show up.

    The problem has less to do with religion than it has to do with intelligence. However, the way to get rid of them is to bulldoze their mosques and have them riot as a consequence to then deport them after stripping them of citizenship.

    • Troll: Oliver D. Smith
    • Replies: @Oliver D. Smith
  54. @kratic

    The immigrants can hardly wipe their own asses much less help the indigenous of any country they invade. They are mental midgets incapable of functioning in a modern western society. They are nothing but welfare recipients.

    Your characterization of them providing labor, and sophisticated labor at that, is ludicrous. Maybe, for the ones that want to work, they might sweep the streets or clean a house, but who would want some religious loony in their vicinity?

    What the colonial powers did in times past was wrong. The people that did it are mostly long dead and transferring their sins onto the current French, Swedish, German, etc populations is also wrong. Attempting to force a square peg into a round hole is plain stupid and that’s what trying to assimilate the Muslim knuckle draggers into a western society is attempting.

    The mosques should be destroyed and the Muslims deported to allow the European nations to survive.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  55. cohen says:
    @Druid

    A123 avoids pointed questions put someone on this site. Just a spineless fake peace lover. Typical of his tribe. They would sell their mothers for profit.

    • Agree: Druid
  56. @Anonymous

    What’s supposed to be their motivation to dump their ancestral traditions and identity and align themselves with a less and less important group of retreating losers instead of sticking with their own strong and ascendant one?

    Well let’s see……….they could attend their first pride parade? They get to have a whole month of black history? They can celebrate their daughter coming out as pan sexual?

    • Agree: Iris
    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  57. kratic says:
    @A123

    You can not handle the truth. German Reader.
    May be it hurts.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  58. kratic says:
    @A123

    Here is looking at you A123. PEACE and More PEAČE

    I saw it yesterday posted by someone on this site.


    • LOL: A123
    • Replies: @A123
  59. @Anonymous

    The supreme function of statesmanship is to provide against preventable evils.

    Small but effective early measures could have prevented these evils. Now any measures will have to be drastic.

    • Replies: @Svevlad
  60. @RoatanBill

    The problem has less to do with religion than it has to do with intelligence. However, the way to get rid of them is to bulldoze their mosques and have them riot as a consequence to then deport them after stripping them of citizenship.

    Lame troll.

    • Replies: @TimothyS
  61. A123 says:
    @kratic

    “Toffee & The Gorilla” is a comedy bit, obviously intended as satire. The show is actually making fun of the miniscule number of anti-Christian Jews in Israel. The fact that you took it seriously is a reflection of your anti-Semitism and limited intellect.

    We are not Laughing with you… We are Laughing at you…

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @kratic
  62. @Citizen of a Silly Country

    That’s not to say that whites are a lost cause, but if we survive, it won’t be as part of what were those countries. We’ll need to carve out our own communities within those dying societies and, maybe, just maybe, way down the road, fight for our autonomy.

    I think that there is a great deal of truth in what you say. Western, white societies are going through a bottleneck. A lot of time honoured, traditional institutions and culture will not come through it and will be lost forever, like the end of the Roman Empire. In places like America and elsewhere, partition will be the order of the day. The South West may be ceded to Mexico or various Hispanic groups, but most of the rest will be occupied by various White American societies. I am more hopeful than you, as I see them as the basis for the revival of White Americans and their progeny.
    Everywhere in the West, though, the formal state structure is dying. It must be replaced by something that benefits white peoples directly, and does not shackle them as it does now. Only then will regeneration come.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  63. Svevlad says: • Website

    Internal passports, my brothers.

    No ghettoization, no clustering and no white flight. Facilitates assimilation like you wouldn’t believe.

  64. Svevlad says: • Website
    @Verymuchalive

    The elite solution.

    Take 1 billion best and brightest from all over the world, put in bunkers, immolate the rest.

    Get out, rebuild

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  65. @RoatanBill

    It was insane to let them in in such huge numbers, it is insane to keep letting them in still. It is all insane, mad, evil. And whatever should be done should have been done ten, twenty, thirty years ago. It will be more and more difficult to do what you propose as time goes on and they multiply while the white population numbers plummet.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  66. @Talha

    I am shocked, SHOCKED(!!!), that an intelligent people like the French didn’t actually learn a lesson from their own history of mass immigrating to some other land. SHOCKED!!!

    You’d think they would have at least learned from Haiti..

    • Replies: @Talha
  67. @kratic

    To echo German_reader you aren’t very bright.

    Points you have raised have been debunked here several times.

    Even in this article Durocher mentions the negative effect of these third world people on education outcomes because they are less intelligent compared to native French.

    That’s the fundamental problem. Islam, a coarse derivative of Judaism, the Torah and Talmud just complicates matters.

    Prior Durocher wrote about the same pattern, like James Thompson, in Belgium where Turks and Moroccans were imported as cheap labor but are now a burden.

    Lastly your average Western European wasn’t asked about this demographic change by the evil ruling class. See The Blackening of Europe by Clare Ellis.

    I suspect you are an interested party.

  68. German_reader says:
    @kratic

    You didn’t even manage to reply to my comment…you’re too stupid to use this commenting system! Maybe (not “May be”!) you’re a low-IQ immigrant yourself.

    • Replies: @kratic
  69. @Commentator Mike

    The only reason the Muslims stay around is because they live for nearly free due to generous welfare benefits eagerly supplied by an insane political class for various reasons. The worlds economies are drowning in debt, a significant portion of which is for free stuff for dirtbags. That simply can’t continue for much longer.

    A restructuring of the worlds currencies is afoot and everyone is going to feel what the new normal looks like after some black swan event takes down the worlds banking system. It’s just a matter of time.

    Once currencies actually fail, generous benefits will be curtailed simply because working people will once again be taxed for those benefits instead of just digitally printing the funds as is now the case. Once the working population feels the direct taxation as opposed to the more stealthy inflation tax, I believe they will change the dynamic.

    The Muslims have nothing to offer any western country. They are parasites slowly killing the host. Any nation that wants to survive after the financial calamity will have to compete with other nations to rebuild their societies. Eastern European countries have fewer dirbags because they refused to accept them. They will have an advantage. Countries like German and France will have to unload their welfare clients, like it or not.

    If I were in charge, I’d give the non citizens 6 months to get out or get locked up. I’d immediately make it punishable by expropriation of a business for hiring an illegal. Laws for the purpose can easily be created. Citizens originally from foreign lands should have their citizenship revoked. Again, laws can be passed to accomplish this because laws are just the opinions of the legislatures and if pressed, they’ll pass any laws necessary to survive. It’s time to turn the tables on the invaders and drive them out just as it was once done centuries ago.

    • Agree: GMC
    • Replies: @Marckus
    , @anonyms
  70. Judging from the map, I picked the right Département.

  71. Talha says:
    @The Alarmist

    Excellent point though that was way long time ago. I mean the French in Alegria…hell, some of those guys are still alive:
    “Foreigners avoided Algeria during an Islamist insurgency in the 1990s but peace has mostly returned and 400 to 500 pieds noirs are now returning to Algeria for short visits each year, according to trip organizers.”
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-algeria-france-piedsnoirs-idUSTRE5892OI20090910

    For the record, I think it would have been better if the Algerian nationalists had accommodated them and allowed them to stay if they wished and even granted them their own enclaves.

    Peace.

  72. kratic says:
    @German_reader

    What is IQ?
    Perhaps this guy has an IQ of 200.559

    https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/we-are-not-americans-says-satmar-grand-rabbi-651419?fbclid=IwAR2lw2k65FwFjQ8owyc73_EwvnsbedL3tWACAtGypFwKHZwvoXTpLqAgWj8

    I will get back with you with famous quotes from Talmud. Right now I have to report to the Immigration office for my appeal to extend my stay.
    Use organic Vaseline when you jerk of in front of your cat.

  73. In my direct but fairly limited experience, French people will avoid Muslims and privately will complain about them but they will reject every single suggestion you might make on what to do about them. No politician on the right will ever be pure enough for them. The older ones can still find areas of France where Muslims are relatively scarce, but it seems unlikely that this will be true for their children in 20 years. I used to think that the phrase “culture of death” was hyperbole, but there is a reason that abortion and euthanasia are so high among the “rights” cherished or sought by the French. They seem to be hoping for nothing more ambitious than the comfort of dying before any civil unpleasantness befalls them. (I do hope I’m exaggerating, but I fear I’m not.)

  74. kratic says:
    @A123

    It is not comic to a Christian or a Muslim but apparently to Jews. Can you imagine if the black Muslim Congresswoman would have used this comic. Heaven knows.

    I am all for real Semites, i.e, Palestinians, Jordanians, Syrians….(the real descendants of Abraham and not the fakes converted European Jews. Read Hannah Arendlt, a Jewish scholar “Totalitarianism”. She gives a good background on fakery of Antisemitism. You guys have milked this word enough. Time to come up with something new. How about simply Anti Jews what is wrong with it?
    Let us see if you can ask your handler to come up with an answer.
    Another fakery. The PEACE, PEACE, AND MORE PEACE. Should there be peace in Palestine and killing of innocents be stopped

    • Replies: @A123
  75. A123 says:
    @kratic

    Should there be peace in Palestine and killing of innocents be stopped

    Absolutely. Colonial, non-Palestinian, Islam violently arrived ~600 AD. The current non-Palestinian Muslim occupiers of Judea & Samaria are the descendants of those Colonial Jihadi’s.

    The path to PEACE is obvious. The non-Palestinian Muslim colony needs to disband. The descendants of those colonists need to return to Islamic lands. There will be no Colonial Jihadist violence against innocent Palestinians (Jews & Christians) once the Muslim occupation ends.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Sirius
  76. It is unclear what is driving this re-Islamization. In addition to the Muslim community’s growing confidence as it also grows in size, it may also be an ethno-religious reaction to certain polemics of the early 2000s: the War on Terror, the renewed Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and new measures by conservative French politicians to limit overt Islamization (such as the 2004 ban on headscarves in schools or President Nicolas Sarkozy’s “Le Pen-lite” campaigning).

    Western civilisation and culture itself is now becoming synonymous with the likes of a twerking Miley Cyrus rather than beautiful statues of the Virgin Mary in elegant Churches. Brenton Tarrant wrote in his manifesto, The Great Replacement:

    Expecting immigrants to assimilate to a dying, decadent culture is laughable. Who would willing leave their own strong, dominant and rising culture to join an elderly, decaying, degenerate culture? What culture would entice a man, one of traditions, beauty, architecture, art and prosperity, or a culture of decay, self-hatred, childlessness, disorder and nihilism?

    More immigrants are choosing to retain their own healthy culture, year by
    year, and even more telling, our own people are beginning to join them, looking outside their own watered down and deteriorating culture to look for purpose and guidance from outside sources. The weaker we become the more immigrants will refuse to join us, refuse
    to partake in the cultural suicide that we extol. That should surprise no one.

    NO ONE WILL WILLFULLY JOIN THE DECAY

    So the immigrants choosing to revert is not surprising, especially when there is such a large difference of culture between the immigrant enclaves and the unmolested native communities.

    • Replies: @Malla
  77. @Oliver D. Smith

    ‘…To single out one religion (Islam) as a problem when they all are as bad as each other is pretty dumb. Catholicism is as big as problem as Islam in France.’

    Not really, to be brief.

    Your words form one of those statements that are morally impeccable but simply don’t owe anything to reality.

    • Agree: Vojkan
    • Replies: @anonymous
  78. @Talha

    A much better policy, for France, and all other White Christian countries, is to ban Moslem immigration and to deport Moslems currently in the country. The admission of large numbers of the barbaric followers of the bloodthirsty and pedophilic false prophet of Islam is enormously undesirable for myriad reasons, the least of which is conflict with sodomites and transvestites, especially since many Moslems are one or the other of those. Mass Moslem immigration amounts to genocide against the native population of the country, and those responsible for it should be tried under the precedent set by the Nuremberg Trials.

    Homosexuality is rampant in the homeland of Islam:
    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2007/05/the-kingdom-in-the-closet/305774/

    Iran was a pioneer in “transgender” rights:
    https://www.advocate.com/transgender/2018/5/21/iran-offers-acceptance-transgender-people-death-gays

    The most Moslem of all Moslem countries is obsessed with buggering boys:
    https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=bacha+bazi

  79. Ghali says:

    Guillaume Durocher have shown to be a master of fabrication and distortion of reality. In any decent news oulet or jurnal, the above fabricated rubbish would be considered hate sppech and thrown in the bin.

  80. Lin says:
    @Anonymous

    Smart Muslims will quickly turn non-Muslim once in France.

    Let me repeat what I had posted at other threads:
    Religions could be manifested in a number of ways:
    1)Aspiration(moral,tribal..)of the founders,
    2)Power of theocracy,
    3)Tradition, culture…
    4)Being and identity(like wearing a cross, burque…)
    5)Geopolitical vehicle of power/influence
    ………..
    An arab muslim migrant in France might become secularized but giving up islam is highly unlikely. An arab muslim anywhere would be culturally vacuumed if he/she seriously gave up islam because Islam is the only big civilisational pillar of arabs. Why do muslim women wear burqa? The standard islamic answer is that it protects their women from sexual predation; but would you expect sexual offense against them going up if they put off their burqa? An arab muslim female in kafir land wearing burqa is like putting a placard “I’ll not be converted’.
    …………
    Prophet Mohammed is sure the greatest ever arab national/tribal hero.
    Arabs were originally minor tribes in the middle east and fringes of the roman empire; through islam, Arabia became a major civilization.
    ………..
    Allah be Praised !!!!

  81. What the EU, US, and Canada get is what they deserve, the lowest rabble and traitors of the societies they invade and destroy for Israel, who happen to mostly be Muslim these days.

    They make deals with these traitors that if they betray their society and are successful, they’ll be installed as the next despots, like the Gulf State Tyrants. If they fail in their betrayal, they’ll open up the borders for them to flee, give them benefits, citizenship, jobs (of course this is cheap labor for the rulers of the EU/US/etc), and when anything goes wrong in the Cultural Marxism assimilation process, the rulers cry wolf, then pin the blame on some country they want to invade and pillage again.

    There are many good educated Muslims, but they’re not fleeing to the “West” for a few shekels to betray their homelands.

  82. Shamil says:

    One of those articles that mentions a lot without really saying anything. At the heart of Muslim segregation in Europe is the fact that they believe that mainstream European society has become cuckold incorporated that will accept and incorporate any anti-tradition and anti-man measure and want to turn Europe into a transgender, wife swapping cesspool. Muslims are saying we don’t want to participate in your self annihilation. Goodbye and good luck.
    As for attacks by Muslims in France and other places… it is beyond a shadow of doubt that they are entirely false flags using drugged or gullible Muslims. Author should put his time to better use. While Zionists are at the cusp of starting ww3, this dude finds the time to analyze Muslim segregation in Marseille.

  83. @VICB3

    “Immigration without Assimilation is a Formula for Disaster”

    But immigration with assimilation would be a far greater disaster, because that would lead to miscegenation on a mass scale. Let those immigrants remain “unassimilated” until the time the West regains its courage and expels them wholesale.

    • Agree: Commentator Mike
    • Replies: @Sirius
  84. @VICB3

    A very apt comparison and 100% true.

  85. @Talha

    Nice joke, but a more realistic trick would be to forbid circumcision and ritual slaughter.
    That would expel not only Muslims but also Jews. Two problems solved in one!

    • Replies: @Talha
  86. anon[712] • Disclaimer says:

    Give the 12 million or so muslims a choice, you will be given a certain amount of money to leave now or you will be forced to leave at the point of a gun if you stay. Its been done before and could easily be done now. At the end of WW1, hundreds of thousands of Greeks were kicked out of Turkey and an almost equal number of Turks were kicked out of Greece. Millions of ethnic Germans were kicked out of the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe and sent to Germany after WW2. All France needs to do is get all the weak, liberal politicians out of office and to get out of the abomination called the EU.

    • Replies: @Agathoklis
  87. Schuetze says:

    “The tendency of ethnic clustering and self-segregation is being reinforced by the sheer scale of immigration, particularly Islamic. It is becoming easier and easier for Muslims to live among their own and not have to adapt to local French norms”

    E.Michael Jones has written extensively about how Jews used waves of black tsunami, and their corresponding undertow, to break up the ethnic European enclaves across the US. It only took them about 25 years from 1942 until about 1970 to accomplish their task.

    I think it is no coincidence that across Europe and the US starting immediately after WWII for Israel that this destruction of European culture ensued. Of course South Africa and even Australia and New Zealand held on until the 1990’s.

    The key point here is that if the jews wanted to smash up these third world ethnic enclaves in France they could do it the same way they smashed up the ethnic European enclaves in the US in the 1960’s. The difference here is that would not be good for the jews.

  88. @Citizen of a Silly Country

    There is reason to be hopeful at the moment. The downfall of the ideology of “diversity” will come with the downfall of liberalism, which will come with the downfall of the United States. And by all appearances, that will not be long in coming. The fake pandemic has demonstrated that US and other Western elites are batshit insane. Their insanity is multifaceted, but one crucial aspect of it is that they love putting the little people under lockdown and they will not stop doing it. Even if COVID were to completely vanish, they would find another excuse. In fact, they are already talking about “climate lockdowns”. This will destroy the US economy and that of its close allies, such as the UK and Canada.

    Even though some smaller countries are arguably more radical than the US in their liberalism, the US is to liberalism what the USSR was to communism: its originator and its thuggish enforcer. Albania may have toed a harder line than the USSR, and, in fact, despised the USSR for its softness, but once Soviet communism was gone, Albanian communism was living on borrowed time. Likewise, worldwide liberalism cannot long survive either its abandonment by the US, the dissolution of the US, or even a permanent and severe economic weakening of the US, which would proportionately weaken the ability of the US to project both hard and soft power. Whatever its exact shape, the downfall of the US will discredit and disempower liberals all over and open the way for nationalists to take over.

    It’s a good thing that on the whole Moslems, blacks, etc. are not well-integrated into their host societies. That will considerably facilitate their repatriation when the time comes.

    • Replies: @Marckus
  89. Sirius says:
    @A123

    Is your raison d’être entirely for the sake of maligning Islam and Muslims in support of your cause of Zionism?

    Let me posit one idea: Zionism has destroyed Judaism. Think about that for a moment in whichever part of Occupied Southern Syria (a.k.a. Palestine) you reside, while enjoying the land stolen only a few generations ago by one of the most malignant, racist and deceptive movements ever known to man: Zionism.

    • Replies: @A123
  90. GMC says:

    The majority of us – People who live in these countries- had very little say so about – what the Globalist, Zionist Government was going to do in another country. Did the French people vote to colonize 13 countries in Africa ? Did the American people get to vote, to pay for the French military to stay in Vietnam , after WWII ? No Did Americans, vote to over populate their country with 100 million more pods ? No There is one positive thing though. Any foreign country that gets a bunch of honest American retireees to settle down in their country – will have Zero problems with them, compared to what has happened in the US and EU, with forced immigration. Imagine if America, made sure, most the people coming to the US to live, had at least 2000 a month coming in. LOL

    • Replies: @Druid
  91. Sirius says:

    Paradoxically, a strong Islamic identity both threatens indigenous European culture and is more likely to limit interactions/intermarriage between Europeans and Muslims, as well as reawaken Europeans to their own identity and tradition amidst the reigning nihilism.

    Paradoxically Durocher’s articles serve to promote discord or worse, hatred, between Christians (or secular Europeans) and Muslims that Zionists thrive upon. I don’t know if he realizes this himself.

    • Agree: Iris
    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  92. brams says:

    The statistical table should be completed by the number of Muslims in the centers of power such as the parliament, the senate, the government, the media, the judiciary, the police… It is true that the Minister of the Interior has a grandfather harki (Muslim collabo for Algerians). To redeem himself, but also to prepare for Macron’s re-election, he initiated a law on Muslim separatism. Regarding the statistics on mixed marriage, before the law on family reunification, Muslim emigrants in large part married French women. We can clearly see the direction that the author wants to give to the statistics on mixed marriage, avoiding to compare them with those concerning the consent by the French family of an “Arab” son-in-law. The author himself does not tell us whether he would accept an Arab as a stepson. At the time it was Arabic or black it was about, not Muslim. Speaking of measures against separatism, they are more in line with the Israelite community which, while Muslims kill each other, continue to claim to be a nation. They have always voluntarily joined together to exercise their profession and live in the same street. They prefer their community schools where ethnocentrism is cultivated. And, I do not believe that many more Muslims can claim the same number of exclusive associations. Does the author venture to address this theme? Now what do the 100,000 Muslims who died for France during the two world wars represent for the author?

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  93. sally says:

    Guillaume Durocher
    There is strong evidence that the Muslim vote is opportunistic
    <= according to ethnic interests as
    <= against any particular principles.
    <=according to Guillaume Durocher.

    data is suggestive of the state and effects of Muslims in France.
    <= what the French Data you presented suggest to me is that the war refugee situation in Syria chased
    many Muslins to France and other European nation state protected cultures,
    <=once present, war ragged people, were deprived of their educational systems, so they team up to
    survive in the new nation state enforced culture forced on them by Europe and the USA.
    <= it was the same with the Irish in NYC, and Indians in Chicago, and
    and the Chinese in California.
    <= and the ex slaves resident in post 1865 America
    <= a culture that is neither home or safe generates the kind of data France has experienced.
    <= a culture France itself created by invading Syria and trying to help Israel destroy the Palestians

    Beyond the explosion of spectacular Islamist terrorist attacks which have killed hundreds in Europe since the 2010s,
    <= once again I point out that the western invasion into Syria begin in 2010.. A
    <= it was the European Culture that turned Chicago into a war zone (Al Capone)

    the emergence of highly distinct and endogenous subcultures –
    parallel societies <– crime, and relative social, economic, and academic failure.
    <=no its not parallel societies its the dominance of unilateral control over the nation state
    charged with protecting the ethnic and culture interest of the outside
    segments, now present and domiciled, within the country as a separate society
    that is the failure.

    probably the most racially biased published statement I have read on Unz..
    "The latter represents a downgrade by European standards but
    is not comparable to, say, the condition of Black America."

    <= such result is the expected realization when outsiders become citizens of a nation and the culture in
    control of the nation state refuse to allow the outsiders to practice that culture they bring with them.
    <= When the people of the invaded nation state use the distribution power of the nation state to
    refuse the integration of the outsider into the long standing dominant local culture and to look the
    other way when the newcomer is decimated…?
    <= I don't argue with you data, but I can find no comfort in your interpretation.

    <= Nothing about Islamic identity threatens anyone or anything except European Identity..
    which the state of affairs in USA governed American is proven to be nothing but total corruption?
    You say " Paradoxically, a strong Islamic identity both threatens indigenous European culture
    and is more likely to limit interactions/intermarriage between Europeans and Muslims, as well as
    reawaken Europeans to their own identity and tradition amidst the reigning nihilism.

    The result you claim is the result of the distribution power of the nation state.. by law and court
    judgement bias the nation state resident to the new incoming cultures actually creates its own
    racial problems.

  94. A123 says:
    @Sirius

    Is your raison d’être entirely for the sake of maligning Islam and Muslims in support of your cause of Zionism?

    Of course not. My purpose is to tell the TRUTH about Lucifer/Allah/Satan and his spawn the Anti-Christ Muhammad. Your Jihadi Evil is existential threat to Christians, such as myself, and all those who believe in God.

    the land stolen only a few generations ago by one of the most malignant, racist and deceptive movements ever known to man: Zionism.

    Judea & Samaria was stolen ~1,400 years ago by the most malignant, racist and deceptive movement ever known to man: Islam. Only a degenerate and debauched Death Cult would have pillars based on anti-social conduct:

    • Thou shalt commit Murder (Jihad)
    • Thou shalt lie to cover up Jihadi Murder (Taqiyya)

    As a Christian, I realize the need to have allies in the war against the Anti-Christ Muhammad. The genocidal ambitions of Islam target all Infidels (Jews & Christians). Thus, Jews and Christians have huge incentives to work together in opposition to Satan’s instruments on Earth.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Sirius
  95. TKK says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    Citing your own article as an authority?

    The hubris. The foolishness.

    Kevin- you are not Muslim. I know it’s all you have to make you feel special. It’s a boring shtick. You are a white male Rachel Dolan.

    But for you to state that Islamic terrorism in France is not real lowers the collective IQ of this site.

    Worse- it makes no sense.

    France rolls out the red carpet for Muslims, aside from a few LePen followers.

    Who is the false flag ops directed to? Average Frenchmen know they are beaten. The elites are Globalists. Jews are fleeing France.

    Just because you have been expelled from polite society because of your slobbering anti Semitic fixation- and Muslims are your last port in the storm because they will pretend anyone is cool
    as long as the money flows—- does not equate that all Muslims are pious peacemakers, fingering worry beads and getting STEM degrees.

    They come to France to get free stuff and to mount white girls and have as many babies as they can to get more free stuff.

    A few have sociopathic/ malignant narcissistic kens and they use the excuse of Islam to murder and chop people’s head off in the street.

    Think of your disgusting motivations: because you want to pretend to be a Muslim you deny that people were run over like road kill by a troglodyte.

    Whose the virtue signaling troglodyte?

    • Agree: Mike Tre
    • Replies: @RedpilledAF
  96. Talha says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Circumcision can be delayed until someone is legally an adult and can simply sign up for a voluntary surgery – it’s not preferable, but whatever. Also, a Muslim can simply take a trip across the Mediterranean with their young son and get the procedure done in North Africa and come back.

    As far as halal meat. Muslims can eat fish and, unless France is willing to ban lamb imports from places like New Zealand and Aussie, the majority of the lamb on its shelves (like that in the US) is already halal (whether labeled or not).

    Peace.

  97. @songbird

    And some have come purely for conquest.

    There is no doubt what is happening is demographic conquest, but at the same time it doesn’t really feel that way, I think the immigrants who tell themselves that they are here “conquering” are just coping with the fact that they will always be seen as third-class citizens here, this is also a reason for a lot of the mindless attacks against Whites, they want to destroy what they cannot have, similar to the Bolshevik madness that engulfed Russia in 1917.

    • Replies: @songbird
  98. Alden says:
    @kratic

    The Muslim immigrants to Germany don’t work. They’re a permanent welfare class. No skills, refuse to learn German inability to follow instructions and behave due to arrogance. Traditional disdain for any kind of manual work.

    • Replies: @Sirius
  99. Talha says:

    Kevin- you are not Muslim.

    Ho dang!!! A fatwa of takfir from his eminence, Shaykh al-Islam Mufti al-Anonymous-Internet-Guy! Brother Kevin must be so distressed:

    Peace.

  100. Alden says:
    @Iris

    So that’s what happened to actress Marie-France Pisier.

  101. @Johnny Smoggins

    I hear you, Johnny. But doesn’t that make sound like there are no choices in between Islam and the current deviant/perverse establishment/Hollywood culture pushed on our children in the West? That’s the fallacy of the false alternative.

    I will say, though, that Christians must present a sufficiently confident, clear, unapologetic push for normal families and sex roles or Christianity will continue to decline in Europe and the USA, and soon nearly disappear in Europe. If Christians cannot prove themselves capable of taking down the vile indoctrination and confusion of children by the establishment in media, schools, and government — some people will turn to Islam in desperation.

    In other words, if good and sensible people in France and elsewhere in Europe come to feel that Islam is the only sizeable group standing firm against the promotion of deviancy, mental illness, and self-mutilation (homosexuality and “transgenderism”), some of them will turn to Islam because too many Christians lack the balls to forcefully deal with the people destroying their children’s minds. Sadly, in doing so, they will lend strength to the irrationality, aggression, and cruelties of Islam as well.

  102. Mike Tre says:
    @Talha

    Were the French in Algeria receiving welfare entitlements from the Algerian government? Where the French engaging in perpetual acts of rioting, vandalism, assaults, rapes, and murder? (Wasn’t there a point in the mid 2000’s when cars parked on the street were being set on fire in suburban Paris every week over the course of a few years?). Did the French not bring with them advances in tech, medicine, agriculture and art as typically happens when higher IQ colonists arrive in lower IQ lands? Did the Algerian government wage a totalitarian campaign against its own indigenous countrymen if they shared their dislike for foreigners publicly?

    Your point is well taken in a general sense, by the way. But the situations you compare were not the same by any measure.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @KenH
    , @showmethereal
  103. @Verymuchalive

    There are many millions of Hispanics living in the USA outside the Southwest (and way outside the Miami and NYC areas too), tens of millions actually. Talking about the cities AND SUBURBS of Chicago, Grand Rapids MI, Salt Lake City, and the rural areas of Colorado, Missouri, Kansas, Nebraska, Georgia, et al. Check out the increasing concentration of Hispanics in West Valley City, in beautiful northern Utah, for example, of all places.

    So it is unclear how one can reclaim the non-SW part of the country as some kind of a largely Hispanic-free, or even mestizo-Hispanic-free zone, even with sustained violence.

    We must find a lawful, peaceful way forward consistent with the by-now almost-unchangeable reality on the ground: culture is becoming and will continue becoming more Hispanic, meaning primarily Mexican and secondarily Honduran/Guatemalan/Salvadoran (not Spanish, Portuguese, Chilean, Argentinian, or Brazilian) in the USA.

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
  104. @Svevlad

    That may be their plan, God help us, but I think they have a number far less than a billion in mind.

  105. Marckus says:
    @Ray Caruso

    Hello Ray

    I liked your comment very much. Right now while there are many Latinos flocking to the US border, there is also a similar if nor greater immigration the other way. Many who have some capital accumulated are liquidating their assets here and moving back. Real estate in Central and South America is remarkably cheap and there is not the daily suffocating breath of the authorities in a fellow’s ear.

    The main reason though is that the US is neck deep in shit status and sinking fast. It is not the country it used to be in from the 50.s through perhaps the 80’s. I think the majority of Latinos are conservative and abhor the woke mentality with men who want to be women, homosexuality, lesbianism and all this silliness with political correctness.

    Now to the Moslems. The majority who flock to the West soon find it is not the land of milk and honey it used to be. They may have traded one shit hole for another even if marginally better. One fellow told me his family mortgaged their house and borrowed money to smuggle him into the US, the intent being he would become the next CEO of a Fortune 500 Company and pay them back. Alas, the poor fellow has only been employed in the most menial jobs and with Covid finds himself in dire financial straits delivering Pizza on an old bicycle.

    Others get caught up in debt slavery. I was in the bank the other day when an argument erupted between a Somali woman and the teller over a $50 overdraft charge and her frozen credit card. Yet this lady was dressed in high fashion and driving a black high end Acura SUV. The day will come when she and her family will want to return to Somaliland and they will, but with nothing !

    Moslems do not integrate and very few have a higher education sufficient for a career in the US. Why someone who herded goats would think they can make it in a highly industrialised society is beyond me. On the other hand it looks like the big companies love them as a pool of slave labour. I think in time these people will also want to return home as is happening with Latinos. The smart ones will accumulate capital before they depart.

    As for blacks, unfortunately for them, in spite of all this Afrocentric nonsense, they are for all intents and purposes stuck here because they cannot leave or will not leave.

    A clever thinking man of any race here in the West is advised to accumulate capital, divest of hard assets and be mobile. I have a nasty feeling things are going to disintegrate further and mobility is the key. I like to think of DeNiro’s phrase in the movie HEAT. “Dont have anything you cannot walk away from in seconds”

    • Replies: @Anon
  106. Marckus says:
    @RoatanBill

    Well said. I understand there are few of these parasites in Central and S/America. There are no benefits to get.

    What is your advice for the average white guy/ couple living in the US ?

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  107. “It is unclear what is driving this re-Islamization.”

    Saudi Arabia! In the last fifty years, those nomads have turned the Islamic world upside down for its own benefits with petrodollars. Bomb KSA back to the Mahomet’s age and you’ll have nothing to worry about. But the Jew, the backer of the House of Al Saud, won’t let you, therefore, you’re shit out of luck. To rid France of foreign elements, you would have to start with deporting Jews first back to the Levant and then it would be much easier task to kick out the Afro-Arabs of the North Africa back to the Sahara Desert. You can keep the mild Tamils to do your dirty laundry and Africans of Christian creed to fight your wars being that you have become very feminine people. As to why the Turk doesn’t marry other muslims… just look at the selfie of the killer of Nice, Bouhlel, whose hair with African DNA reveals the reason… even they don’t want to pollute their genetic pool of the great Khan (who can blame them?).

  108. Marckus says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    I have an uneasy feeling you were wearing a Burkha and collided with a wall. Your thought processes need some major adjustments.

  109. @Anonymous

    If they were really smart, they would pretend to assimilate, but keep their beliefs secret, and then infiltrate every important position in French society, starting with the central bank.

    • Replies: @Druid
  110. GMC says:
    @brabantian

    I worked on high risers – many years. Where did all the concrete and red Iron – on two high risers go – on 9/11 ? The debris from those two high risers – should have ben 40 stories high. Israel leads the way in mini nukes and terrorism – they have nukes. spacibo

    • Replies: @Alexandros
  111. Sirius says:
    @A123

    So you’re posing as a Christian, are you? I was sure you were a Zionist sitting somewhere in Occupied Palestine. Christians shouldn’t be preaching such hatred of Muslims and maligning them and falsifying Islamic teachings. Zionists on the other hand should, because their aim is to destroy both Islam and Christianity in Palestine, something they are still working on. All of your allegations are false, without exception.

    Anti-Christ?

    Muhammad taught that Jesus was a prophet of Islam, and a special one at that, to be revered and celebrated. How is that anti-?

    Allah = God. It’s just the Arabic word. If you have doubts ask a Christian Palestinian who had his homeland stolen by the Zionists what the Arabic word for God is. Or consult an Arabic language Bible and ask an Arabic-speaker to point out the word for God. It’s Allah.

    My purpose is to tell the TRUTH about Lucifer/Allah/Satan

    So what you just did, in either your ignorance or as a malicious act, is equate God with Satan. You might want to redefine your purpose in life and explore the Truth for a change.

    • Agree: Yahya K.
    • LOL: A123
    • Replies: @A123
  112. Malla says:
    @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    Expecting immigrants to assimilate to a dying, decadent culture is laughable. Who would willing leave their own strong, dominant and rising culture to join an elderly, decaying, degenerate culture?

    Interestingly the Leftards who have pushed this decay of Western Civilization (Hippie movement, Feminism, Ghetto worship, destroying everything by “Old White males”) are the same scumbags pushing for even more immigration of conservative populations from the third World!!! Strange no? The Vulture Finance parasitic Capitalists too played a part in the decay of the Old European/Western culture as well as are desiring more third World immigration.
    Cultural Marxist Leftards crackpots and Vulture Finance Capitalist parasitic psychopath vampires are quite a pair, closely connected to each other behind the scenes. Both deserve each other (along with the arrogant nasty Third World immigrants) in the lowest levels of hell. Actually spending time with any of these three groups is like experiencing hell.

  113. Anon[118] • Disclaimer says:
    @HyperDupont

    “ More importantly, ethnic statistics in the US and UK have enabled the cancerous growth of the Diversity and Inclusion Industry, because there are so many statistical achievement gaps and disparate impacts to redress.”

    Well said. The socialist president of Mexico, elected in 2016, since his campaign is trying to break the country’s strong social cohesion by appealing to the “original peoples” and talking about redress for the 1521 conquest by Spain. In Mexico the “original peoples” were not counted, though population that could speak an “original language” besides Spanish was estimated around 5% . Today, revolutionary vanguards are being formed that complain about not being able to take classes in, say, Nahuatl. Then the 2020 census was modified to specifically include “people who are or identify as original” and “people who are or identify as Afro-Mexicans”. Shamanic cults are being pushed, and much is being done to promote Day of the Dead celebrations, esthetics, etc. A weird, weird re-darkening of what was a quaint, regional folkloric celebration. Notice that Hollywood was ahead of the trend, as usual, with the release of the Bond movie in 2015:

    The battle is cultural and spiritual: the Mexican left wants to break the historical nation, break the bonds of a vehicular language shared by 500 million people, and break the bonds of Catholicism, with its strong emphasis on charity, family, common good and education.

    • Thanks: Hyperdupont
  114. Sirius says:
    @Alden

    The Muslim immigrants to Germany don’t work. They’re a permanent welfare class.

    Really? Do you speak from personal experience?

    Several years ago, I went to a meet up of people of all backgrounds. I met 4 Syrians, recent arrivals to Germany from Syria as it was post-2015, the year of the mass exodus of Syrians.

    Every one of them was a medical doctor. Syria lost something like 80% of its medical doctors during this catastrophic war. Where do you suppose many or most of them went?

    I recall reading another story, not my personal experience, of a Syrian in Austria who learned German so quickly that his application for citizenship was expedited by the authorities.

    Or there is this story:

    https://www.stltoday.com/news/world/syrian-who-fled-to-germany-5-years-ago-runs-for-parliament/article_7ca3b858-adb3-5387-b653-13bb651d5fc2.html

    A Syrian former refugee who speaks fluent German, has a steady job and is running for Parliament.

    • LOL: songbird
  115. Malla says:
    @AnonStarter

    Kemal Ataturk was influenced by France. Unlike his Turkish army officer colleagues who were more pro-German (Kaiserite German discipline was more to their liking, German & Austrian Empire allied to the Ottomans in WW1), Ataturk looked to France for inspiration and hence French style secularism in Turkey.
    India took the American model of Secularism but it seems to be collapsing now just like secularism in Turkey is collapsing.

  116. Mark Niet says:

    France is a country in self-destruction. Even their heroes they destroy…

    • Replies: @Schuetze
  117. KenH says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Culture is downstream from biology. If the biology of two groups is too far apart, there’s zero chance one side will assimilate.

    Correct and conservatives are wasting their breath bleating about how everyone just has to assimilate to a common culture. That simply isn’t possible for the vast majority of people with third world DNA. If it were possible it would be happening by now and it shouldn’t require daily exhortations.

    Conservatives like Tucker Carlson are no less utopian than those on the radical left and believe that race blind meritocracy and anti-identity politics chest thumping will lead us down the garden path.

    Conservatives believe you can have disparate racial groups in close proximity and it can be made to work by tinkering with economic, tax and educational policy. Most conservatives are as Marxist in their worldview than the Marxists themselves with their belief in the equality and interchangeability of all the races.

  118. @Marckus

    The only advice I can give is to seriously look at your own situation and in your opinion, what is likely to occur going forward. I decided after 9/11 that the US would become a police state as the trend over decades pointed in that direction. I didn’t want to live in a police state, so my only option was to leave, a simple logical and rational decision based upon my observations.

    You should also take into consideration that the current Covid nonsense is just a smoke screen to institute a new monetary regime world wide. The Dollar, Euro, Yen, etc are all slated for oblivion as part of a plan to reboot the worlds currencies as digital control mechanisms not as obvious as a shock collar around everyone’s neck. Once digital currencies replace paper, gov’ts will have the ability to kill you remotely by simply limiting or disallowing access to your own funds. You will live within a virtual panopticon where they manage to construct them.

    First world gov’ts have the resources to accomplish just about anything they want. Second and third world gov’ts would like to act like their larger models, but they lack the resources.

    If geologists are right, we are at the end of a warming period in earth’s history. The climate frauds have it backwards. The future is colder, eventually, as a warming is needed to move the moisture to the poles where the freezing can begin to lock up the water. Growing regions will move, are already moving, towards the equator. Fuel consumption for heating will increase and since the oil industry announced just the other day that peak oil has been reached, expect there to be shortages and vastly increased energy costs in areas with four seasons.

    I’m self sufficient with tools and can maintain or build just about anything I need. Become as self sufficient as possible in as many areas as possible. Get out of major cities.

  119. Talha says:
    @Mike Tre

    They not only did horrible things, they photographed them:

    This is pretty well known for anyone who has studied the subject.

    Again, in my opinion, the French colonists could have been reasonably accommodated and granted amnesty once the French military was expelled.

    You are right, the situations aren’t the same; one in which immigrants from a foreign come in legally with the permission of the government cannot be compared to when immigrants come in from a foreign land supported by young armed men and tanks and jets.

    Peace.

  120. @Sirius

    The question should be is he telling the truth and presenting data as it is. What others make of this is up to them. So we aren’t allowed to criticise Muslims because some Jews/Zionists might agree with us? Or wait, I thought the Jews/Zionists would want to doxx us, persecute and prosecute us for hate speech against Muslims, not agree with us.

  121. Sirius says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    I suppose you think we should be re-introducing the Nuremberg Laws. Good idea? Shall we go around testing people for their racial purity? After we’re done with all these Covid tests, of course!

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  122. @Sirius

    Well I feel sorry for Syrians if they now have a shortage of doctors because of those escaping their country to minister to Germany, a country that is part of the Western conglomerate destroying their own nation, instead of helping their own people at home in their hour of need. It seems to me that those espousing your views are intent on destroying both the countries from which this brain drain is flowing as well as those where they settle together with the multitudes of skivers, scavengers and parasites following on the gravy train to the West.

    • Replies: @Sirius
  123. @Irish Savant

    No doubt that statistics are interesting. But if they are used primarily to entrench an intrusive affirmative action regime and not allowed to enter the public debate, they are at best a mixed blessing. The death of a criminal addict such as George Floyd has had more impact on the public debate that 30 years of racial crime statistics. Normies won’t be moved by statistics.

  124. @brams

    Look, Algeria and France were once one country. It was the Algerians who opted to separate and have their own Algeria just to themselves. So why shouldn’t France be for the French just like Algeria is for the Algerians?

    • Replies: @brams
  125. KenH says:
    @Mike Tre

    Were the French in Algeria receiving welfare entitlements from the Algerian government?

    I seem to recall that the Algerians gave the French colonists two choices; the suitcase or the grave.

    It’s always righteous and cause for celebration when non Europeans expel Europeans from their lands but “shameful” and “intolerant” when Europeans do it to non Europeans.

    Did the French not bring with them advances in tech, medicine, agriculture and art as typically happens when higher IQ colonists arrive in lower IQ lands?

    Lefty historians and intellectuals lecture Europeans that the Muslim invasion of Spain brought advances in medicine, education and agriculture and that their military defeat and eventual mass expulsion by Spanish Christians was a “shameful” episode in European history.

  126. Schuetze says:
    @Mark Niet

    France lost WWII for Israel, just a little bit less than Germany, ditto England.

    The sad truth here is that boobus americanus still hasn’t figured out that the US lost WWII for Israel like all the other white European countries, just a little slower.

    I recently read a little blurb implying that Algerian war in the late ’50’s and 60’s was in fact a color revolution against De Gaulle. I would love to read about, maybe Iris has some interesting links.

    • Agree: stevennonemaker88
  127. A123 says:
    @Sirius

    Allah = God. It’s just the Arabic word

    ROTFLMAO

    Wow!!!! 100% Wrong! Let us look at simple usage to prove this objective fact.

    When a servant of Allah commits Jihadi Murder they scream “Allah Ahkbar”. In translation this is “Allah is Greater than _______”, where the blank is based on the religion of their murder victim.

    Thus, when a Muslim head chopper kills a Christian they are screaming “Allah is Greater Than God”. It is quite obvious that attempting to translate Allah as the Christian God (or the god of any other faith) is linguistically and theologically impossible. Not even the most fanatical Muslim Death Cultist would scream “God is Greater than God”.

    So let me Fix That For You:

    Allah = Satan. It’s just the Arabic word for the enemy of God and Jesus.

    Your argument is such an obvious failure that it is actually funny. If your goal is to provide comic relief to UR readers, keep it up.

    PEACE 😇

  128. German_reader says:
    @Sirius

    A Syrian former refugee who speaks fluent German, has a steady job and is running for Parliament.

    A steady job as a social worker, looking after other migrants (and advising them how they can avoid being deported from Germany), paid by the German taxpayer (zero gratitude though, he says he was shocked at the living conditions he had to endure as an asylum seeker in Germany). He’s also active in one of those open borders NGOs picking up migrants in the Mediterranean. In other words: an ungrateful parasite and subversive who’s actively agitating to make Germans a minority in their own country. One of the worst types of immigrants.
    Regarding Syrians as a whole, as of September 2019 even mainstream media had to admit that three fourths of them were on welfare (they were 10,5% of all recipients then, second biggest group after German citizens):
    https://www.welt.de/politik/article200708580/Migration-Drei-von-vier-Syrern-erhalten-Hartz-IV.html
    So yeah, those stories about Syrian brain surgeons aren’t exactly representative.

    • Replies: @Sirius
    , @Druid
  129. Anon[118] • Disclaimer says:
    @Marckus

    @ “Dont have anything you cannot walk away from in seconds”

    But then who is building a better community? A man has, after all, to decide where he wants to die. Oh but I miss the men of the West.

  130. @Bookish1

    I think you are incorrect. Does race matter? Yes. But it is not the only thing that matters. Upbringing and an individual’s choices are even more important. I have more in common with a middle class Latin american who had traditional values and several children than I do with a Godless white lesbian land whale. Or consider dogs and wolves. Is raising a dog easier? yes. They are quite different, and their pre-dispositions and physical characteristics vary widely. However it is certainly possible to socialize a wolf, and some people have successfully raised wolves. A wolf who you have raised will be friendly and have a connection; a dog who was raised (or mis-raised) by someone else may attack you. The same applies to people. An Asian or Latin american who has been raised with family values and not spoiled will be superior most of the time to a white who was raised in the post-christian materialistic cesspool that is the west.

    • Disagree: Bookish1
    • Replies: @Bookish1
    , @3g4me
  131. Sirius says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Espousing what views? I think these Syrians should be able to go back and I bet many of them would want to given the right conditions, namely safety. But maybe the West should stop assaulting Syria first and stop making it impossible to rebuild the country with all these crippling sanctions. How about some protests in Western capitals or letter-writing campaigns demanding an end to crippling sanctions, similar to the ones that helped destroy Iraq?

    At the same time, I don’t support all these racist rants that they are all here to live on welfare. Many if not most immigrants I’ve seen work harder than the locals. Sure, there may be exceptions, but I don’t believe it to be the general rule.

  132. @A123

    The phrase Allah akbar in isolation means “Allah is the greatest”. If it should mean “Allah is greater” then it should be compared to other gods, who should be mentioned.

    And yes, Allah is the Arabic name of the God of monotheism, whether in Islam, Christianity or Judaism.

    You are pretty ignorant for a professional troll. Tell that to your hasbara boss in Tel Aviv.

    • Replies: @moi
  133. @Sirius

    DNA tests for racial identity would be useful for the Great Repatriation of Third World immigrants (and their eventual mixed-race descendants) after the White Nationalist struggle has been won. Better than the clumsy Nurenberg Laws, which allowed quarter Jews to be assimilated. Every race in its own continent and every ethnic group in its own country would lead to world peace.

  134. Sirius says:
    @A123

    You are an incredible liar. You also have a serious problem with logic.

    Allah means God. “Allahu Akbar” means God is the Greatest. If someone misuses it, it proves misuse. It doesn’t change the meaning.

    If you can’t even get that right, you are a hopeless case. Again, I repeat, ask a Palestinian Christian or anyone who knows Arabic and can look at an Arabic Bible. Clearly you can’t read Arabic yet somehow think you’re an expert.

    If your goal is to be a congenital liar, keep it up. And this phoney PEACE 😇 you always write? Who are you kidding if not yourself?

    You didn’t respond to this: Jesus is a prophet in Islam, and a revered one.

    And you never responded to my assertion: Zionism is destroying Judaism. Think about it.

    • Agree: Druid
  135. Agent76 says:

    Oct 23, 2020 France cracks down on Muslims

    Tensions are rising in France due to a government crackdown on Muslims after a teacher was beheaded for showing cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad in a lecture.

    Feb 13, 2021 Child trafficking in Europe

    What prospects do children have if they’ve grown up in a criminal environment? Pickpocketing is part of everyday life in the Paris Metro.

  136. Sirius says:
    @German_reader

    So he’s a social worker, that makes him a parasite in your eyes? He is working, not living off the dole. Where is he agitating to make Germans a minority? Do you offer proof?

    I read the article. It also says unemployment amongst Syrians was 42.2% in 2019, down from 49.6% in 2018. Is it just possible that these people are adjusting to life, learning the language and trying to get work? Perhaps others want to go home once things settle down?

    • Replies: @German_reader
  137. moi says:
    @Charles Martel France

    Why would Muslims abandon their religion? The values of Islam are far superior to so-called French values. E.g. In France, insulting abusive speech is considered freedom of speech, but Muslims are commanded to use the best language when addressing anyone and to comport themselves with dignity (although many do not) at all times.

    This whole crap about the superiority of western “values” is laughable propaganda. O la la 🙂

    • Replies: @Marckus
  138. moi says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    I do suspect this person is an ignorant bigot. I don’t think s/he knows that Allah in Arabic is the same as Alaha, the Aramaic word Christ used for God, and that both Allah and Alaha are closely related to the Jewish Eloah/Elohim.

    They plan and God plans, and God is the best of planners.

    • Replies: @Charles Martel France
  139. Mike Tre says:
    @Talha

    LOL I guess the gold star represents those commenters with the greatest skill in obfuscation and building straw-men.

    Have the last word pal, it’s all your good for.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Malla
    , @Malla
  140. German_reader says:
    @Sirius

    I already answered all your questions in my previous comment, you’re either stupid or intentionally playing dumb.

    It also says unemployment amongst Syrians was 42.2% in 2019,

    The article also states that those in language and “integration” courses aren’t counted as unemployed, so the real number is higher.

    • Replies: @Sirius
  141. @Talha

    Yes, the situations aren’t the same in another respect. French colonialism was never a demographic threat to the Algerians and after independence most of the colonists packed up and left. On the other hand immigration is a serious demographic threat to the survival of French and other European people and their cultures. There is no escaping this fact as the statistics presented by GD in this article show. As European natality drops in the face of high immigrant birth rates and never-ending continuous immigration, the situation is far graver than many imagine. And yet the governments, politicians, media, academics and religious leaders, as well as many if not most members of the public keep denying this, don’t consider it a problem and seek no solutions.

    • Replies: @Talha
  142. @Sirius

    How about some protests in Western capitals or letter-writing campaigns demanding an end to crippling sanctions, similar to the ones that helped destroy Iraq?

    I appreciate such efforts by anyone and there should be millions in the streets protesting, causing havoc even, to stop the wars in the Middle East, withdraw troops, and condemn the treatment of Palestinians. But you see, any such protests would have to be organised by dissidents and ordinary citizen groups as they run against government policy which is supported by most political parties. On the other hand, waving “Refugees Welcome” placards and all those programmes to bring in immigrants and refugees are actually organised and supported by the governments, including the UN government of governments, and most political parties so it’s of no risk for the public to join such manifestations and projects.

    Many if not most immigrants I’ve seen work harder than the locals.

    I couldn’t care less if they worked all day or lazed about, my question is what are they doing here, whether they are wanted or unwanted? Why aren’t they putting all that work making their own countries great? Personally I don’t object to some people of foreign extraction being here, I’d have a diplomatic reciprocity rule, as many allowed into a country as their own country allows inside it – so as many Algerians in France as French in Algeria, as many Viets in France as French in Vietnam, as many Paks in Britain as Brits in Pakistan, and so on.

    • Thanks: Sirius
    • Replies: @Sirius
  143. Marckus says:

    After Independence the colonialists packed up and left.

    What was amazing is that after colonialism the colonised also starting packing up and leaving to live in the country that used to “rule” them, “oppress” them and “abuse” them.

    I guess many came to realise that after colonialism their local rulers and elected officials were absolute fuck ups.

    The real giggle though is that the colonised fled to the colonial power and started to turn it into the shit hole they fled. Even more entertaining is that the colonial power is often called upon to help financially, militarily and to maintain law and order in the country that wanted independence.

    Give your head a shake. Human nature is rooted in utter stupidity to the point of being incomprehensible !

  144. Talha says:
    @Mike Tre

    If you want to remain ignorant of what the French did in Algeria and claim they dindu nuffin’, it’s your prerogative.

    If others are interested, here is a generally good summation:
    “The manner in which French rule was established in Algeria during the years 1830–47 laid the groundwork for a pattern of rule that French Algeria would maintain until independence. It was characterized by a tradition of violence and mutual incomprehension between the rulers and the ruled; the French politician and historian Alexis de Tocqueville wrote that colonization had made Muslim society more barbaric than it was before the French arrived… A large-scale program of confiscating cultivable land, after resistance had been crushed, made colonization possible. Settler colonization was of mixed European origin—mainly Spanish in and around Oran and French, Italian, and Maltese in the centre and east… Its brutal suppression by French forces was followed by the appropriation of another large segment of territory, which provided land for European refugees from Alsace. Much land was also acquired by the French through loopholes in laws originally designed to protect tribal property. Notable among these is the sénatus-consulte of 1863, which broke up tribal lands and allowed settlers to acquire vast areas formerly secured under tribal law. Following the loss of this territory, Algerian peasants moved to marginal lands and in the vicinity of forests; their presence in these areas set in motion the widespread environmental degradation that has affected Algeria since then.

    It is difficult to gauge in human terms the losses suffered by Algerians during the early years of the French occupation. Estimates of the number of those dead from disease and starvation and as a direct result of warfare during the early years of colonization vary considerably, but the most reliable ones indicate that the native population of Algeria fell by nearly one-third in the years between the French invasion and the end of fighting in the mid-1870s.
    https://www.britannica.com/place/Algeria/Nationalist-movements

    1870 is an interesting year because it was the year of the Cremieux Decree which granted the native Jews of Algeria French citizenship while excluding other natives.

    The ties with early Zionists and Israel and the French colonial administration go back a while. When the Nazis body slammed the French government, it was seen as a relief by the native Algerians. Both Anglo-American occupiers and Nazis made promises to grant Algerians better treatment. This was dashed as the French took over again after WW2 and continued colonial rule. And, of course, mutual military ties were made with Israel since both colonial settler states operated on very similar paradigms:
    “Israel and Algeria amid French Colonialism and the Arab-Israeli Conflict, 1954-1978”
    https://www.jstor.org/stable/30245572?seq=1

    Interestingly, there is a town about half a day’s drive from me in Iowa named in order of Emir Abdul-Qadir (ra), a Sufi, Muslim scholar and resistance leader who fought the French valiantly for many years until the French basically fought using scorched earth tactics and targeted the families of the people who resisted:
    “ The Emir Abdelkader ibn Muhieddine, namesake of the Abdelkader Education Project, was an Islamic scholar from Algeria who resisted French colonialism in the mid-19th century. His faith-based leadership, moral authority, keen intelligence, physical stamina, natural military prowess and knowledge of tribal ways enabled him to organize Algerian tribesmen into a guerrilla force that effectively resisted the French occupation. In order to avoid further suffering the Emir negotiated a truce with the French in 1847 after fifteen years of fighting one of the most advanced armies in the world at that time.
    The Emir’s commitment to human rights earned him global admiration from the likes of President Lincoln, Queen Victoria, Pope Pius IX, Tsar Alexander II, and the presidents of France, Greece and Turkey. Newspaper accounts of his valor and chivalry won him admiration as far as the American Midwest, where a new settlement was named in his honor; today, Elkader in Clayton County, Iowa…When anti-Christian riots broke out in Damascus in 1860, the Emir and his sons entered the neighboring Christian quarter to protect thousands of Christians, including French, American and Russian diplomats.”
    https://abdelkaderproject.org/the-emir/

    The French eventually ended up granting him the Legion of Honor for what he did to protect the citizens of his former adversaries:

    Peace.

    • Replies: @KenH
  145. Talha says:
    @Commentator Mike

    French colonialism was never a demographic threat to the Algerians

    This is simply false. You can read what I cited or other sources:
    “ The main part of the article is concerned with various ways in which the French appropriated land from Algerian peasants. This was done partly by the administration’s expropriation of land, either as reprisals for resisting the French occupation, or for ‘public utility’ purposes. An administrative delimitation of the tribes’ territories further reduced the land at the disposal of the tribes. The most serious attack on the peasants’ land was the generalisation of private property rights as the sole land tenure form, by legal measures and administrative practices. Factors which contributed to ‘release’ land for the market are considered in some detail. The result of the 19th century colonization process was the creation of an export-oriented colonial agriculture with wine as its major product. Peasant society, deprived of essential means of subsistence, was no longer able to reproduce itself on the basis of its own production. Integrated in the colonial division of labour, its further development was circumscribed by structures that had underdevelopment as their product.”
    https://www.jstor.org/stable/422452?seq=1

    French occupation was very much like Zionist occupation.

    after independence most of the colonists packed up and left.

    This is accurate.

    And yet the governments, politicians, media, academics and religious leaders, as well as many if not most members of the public keep denying this, don’t consider it a problem and seek no solutions.

    So what you are telling me is that this vaunted high-IQ business everyone keeps talking about isn’t all that helpful. I will certainly agree with you that the French have been making very stupid choices for a while now, it’s debatable when exactly the stupidity began. Last major one big-brain move was helping to destroy Libya; what could possibly go wrong after we saw what amazing benefits the invasion of Iraq brought to the world?

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  146. @moi

    Here is an interesting story for you.

    Malaysia court rules non-Muslims cannot use ‘Allah’

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-24516181

    What do you think about the ruling of the court ? I want to know your own view on the topic not some kind of rationalization.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
    , @Moi
  147. Marckus says:
    @moi

    Allow me to ask two simple questions.

    If the values of Islam are superior, why are these people flocking to Europe.?

    Why does Allah not provide a decent living for them in their own country ?

    I doubt anyone wants them to abandon their religion and we appreciate their good behaviour and speech whatever that means. Unfortunately this world runs on dollars and there ain’t too many of those floating around in Allah Land.

    So religious superiority or whatever, they come to the West for the handouts from OUR God.

    On second thoughts maybe they should abandon their religion. Allah does not seem to do much for them. Oooooooooh La La ?? Lah Dee Dah ??

    • Replies: @Damascene
    , @Moi
  148. Bookish1 says:
    @stevennonemaker88

    What you mean is Vladimar Jabotinsky is incorrect. I would rather put my faith in Vladimar than your mumble jumble bullshit.

    • Replies: @stevennonemaker88
  149. Bookish1 says:

    Now it is time to grow a pair of balls and throw all non aryans out of our countries and put all whites on the same boat who disagree.

  150. Max Payne says:

    I see Israels plan to clear the Middle East and ship Muslims to Europe is working fine.

    Why are you guys so anti-Semitic? What’s good for Israel is good for Europe.

    Some of the 79 IQ analysis here is… yeah…. you guys need to understand who your masters are.

  151. Sirius says:
    @German_reader

    Here we go, once the insults fly, we know we’re dealing with a problematic character, probably a barbarian type like Trump. By the way, if you’re eager for similar leadership in Germany I can assure you that would be a surefire route to setting your society in decline, faster than you think it is already.

    So make sure you don’t vote for the Green Party. I’m pretty sure you’re an AfD man, who incidentally, are also a pro-Zionist party, so they are part of the problem in the treatment of Syria.

    I pointed out that the unemployment decreased. I mean, you can be as pessimistic as you want, but there is another way to interpret the data. In the meantime, hold tight and give these people a chance and hope you never had to go through what they did. They just left a burning country for crying out loud.

    • Agree: showmethereal
  152. @Bookish1

    So you cannot actually argue the point; Instead you “put your faith” in a “Russian Jewish Revisionist Zionist leader”. This is both funny and pathetic at the same time!

  153. @Charles Martel France

    If I may tune in: this is sheer stupidity of those Malay Muslims. Not only in the Arab world, but also in neighboring Indonesia, “Allah” is the usual term for “God” among Christians.

    • Replies: @Charles Martel France
  154. @Talha

    Is there a link to an article where those pictures are from? some seem modern and others 19th century. I would like to read some more about it

    • Replies: @Talha
  155. Malla says:
    @Mike Tre

    Sure the French resolved to some hard core tactics but the enemies they were fighting were quite ruthless too.

    They started the brutality, the French Govt responded in kind. Their (FLN) aim was the creation of rift in between the European and Muslim populations. Many Muslims and Europeans lived in harmony with each other and the FLN terrorists sneakily wanted to end this. They killed innocent Muslims too.

    From
    From
    https://crc-internet.org/our-doctrine/national-restoration/algerian-war/4-rebellion-accomplices.html

    [MORE]

    A REVOLUTIONARY WAR
    Insurrection_1954
    Click on the map to enlarge.
    Responsibility for these crimes was claimed in a tract addressed to the Algerian people : « Our reform movement presents itself under the label – Front de Libération Nationale (FLN; National Liberation Front)[and its aim is]: national independence. » Philippe Tripier analyses as follows the aim of the FLN : « The rebellion began on November 1st, 1954 and initially had very few means. So few did it have that, reasonably thinking, it had scarcely any hope, and even less likelihood of achieving its ends. Let us be the judge : a few hundred bad rifles, as many fighters based for the greater part in the Aurès massif, and the rest in the Great Kabylia massif; an overwhelmingly indifferent Algerian population, and, according to the leaders of the conspiracy, not aroused by the national consciousness; finally, a worldwide opinion alien to the problem…

    « Since the Algerian people have not rebelled spontaneously and are not disposed to do so, the problem of independence was not essential in itself; it had to be created. […] » 2

    For the terrorists, it was a question of waging a very particular type of war that had just proved its worth in Indo China : revolutionary war. It consists not in occupying a territory, but in conquering its population whether they liked it or not. During 1955 and 1956, the first two years of the conflict, the FLN would attempt in vain to rouse the Algerian Muslims to join the rebellion.

    THEIR INSTRUMENT : TERROR
    The FLN was a movement that came from the Organisation spécial (OS; Special Organisation), the terrorist branch of Messali Hadj’s Marxist movement : the “ Mouvement pour le Triomphe des Libertés Démocratiques ” (MTLD; Movement for the Triumph of Democratic Liberties). Shortly before, in the spring of 1954, twenty-two activists of the OS had decided to split away and chose a directory : the “ Committee of Nine ”.

    …snip….

    THE PHILIPPEVILLE MASSACRE
    For French Muslims, nothing was more unnatural than this bloody rebellion. There is nothing more opposed to historical truth than a massive uprising of the Algerian people against colonial France.

    The Philippeville massacre
    The FLN leaders could but take note of this strong reluctance that their co-religionists showed towards them. Zighout Youssef, the rebel leader in the area (or wilaya) of North Constantine, a fanatical supporter of jihad, understood that it would be necessary to dig a gulf of blood between Muslims and Europeans so as to create an irreparable situation and to make any rapprochement between the two communities forever impossible. On August 20, 1955, in Philippeville, 51 Muslims and 71 Europeans, the elderly, women and babies included, had their throats slit, were disembowelled or dismembered. And what can be said of the El Hadia slaughter on the same day ? Dreadful… The police intervened but were unable to prevent reprisals by the Europeans, who were tried beyond endurance. 1,273 deaths were registered. Europeans were gripped by fear and Muslims with resentment.

    For the FLN, it was a victory. It then had to enlarge the wound by organising other acts of pillage and slaughter. In May 1957, it had been responsible for 1,800 cases of arson on farms, slitting the throats of or stealing 80,000 head of cattle, and the destruction of 12,000,000 grapevines. The FLN wanted first to kill Europeans and the Muslims whose spirit of justice and qualities of heart were factors that contributed to harmony existing between the communities. This conduct would acquire such an official character that in 1959 Krim Belkacem, who became the FLN’s “ Minister of War ”, declared cynically to journalists : « Assassination is proof of the preparation and the aptitude of new recruits : a new recruit must kill at least one colonialist or known traitor ». Such was the infernal mechanism that the FLN set in motion.

    From
    https://crc-internet.org/our-doctrine/national-restoration/algerian-war/5-battle-algiers.html
    “On September 30, 1956, the bomb offensive was launched. The objective was the heart of the European city. The devices that were placed in the Cafeteria on Michelet Street and at the Milk Bar killed three persons, and wounded fifty, twelve of whom had to have limbs amputated. In reprisal, the Europeans killed two Muslims. This was what Ben M’Hidi was seeking : to put blood and hatred between the communities. From October to December the horror increased daily. The attacks numbered a hundred and twenty-two by December 1956; that is four per day !

    Algiers could no longer bear it and shuddered each day with horror and fear. A third of the attacks were aimed at Europeans in an indiscriminate manner; the remainder was directed against Muslims.

    As in Indo China, then in all of North Africa, in accordance with Communist revolutionary war methods, armed groups went underground after a few meticulously prepared acts of terrorism, while in the cities the cells of extremist parties acted clandestinely to control the masses and organise sedition.

    …snip…

    It is possible to count the acts of physical torture, but the number of acts of moral torture and blackmail that reduced people to a state of fear is impossible. And yet, this is the subject that is most important in the eyes of the moralist because it is what leads souls to abdicate their liberty and their honour. The Muslim who does not execute FLN orders, who works for the French, the man of the middle-class, the merchant who does not pay their contribution to the rebellion, the French, Italian or Spanish colonist who is too poor to abandon his isolated farm, like the North African in metropolitan France who is prey to racketeers or enjoined to leave for the maquis in the Aurès, all these poor people, theses hundreds of thousands of poor people know that they are condemned, and feel spied on… They live in anxious expectation of this minute of terror when fanaticism full of hatred would swoop down on them. If there are “ human persons ” to defend, it is these people.”

    • Replies: @anonyms
  156. Malla says:
    @Mike Tre

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9d/20_Ao%C3%BBt_1955_EL_HALIA.jpg/440px-20_Ao%C3%BBt_1955_EL_HALIA.jpgVictims of FLN terrorists
    Both French and Arab-Berbers victims were targeted.
    That is why the French Army had to go to brutal tactics to fight the brutal FLN.
    And these tough measures by the French Army worked. The French had won. It is only that the French were back stabbed by the leftist traitors, the church and eventually their own government. Very common story.

    From the above link
    “Despite this “ blunder ”, the result of the repression on March 31, 1957 was spectacular : 253 killers and 1,574 agents were arrested, 88 bombs and 200 kg of explosives were recovered. The number of attacks dropped from 112 in January to 29 in March. In all the places where the rebel organisation had been dismantled, it was reported that Muslims spontaneously provided information. The population regained confidence, not in the generosity of the army, but in its firmness, that is, in its determination to keep the terrorists whom they had arrested under lock and key and to prevent them from doing harm. Many, however, were still waiting to see.

    As for the FLN leaders, though acknowledging their failure, they rapidly understood how they could put to good use the media campaign that was getting underway in metropolitan France.””

    • Thanks: Mike Tre
  157. German_reader says:
    @Sirius

    you’re an AfD man, who incidentally, are also a pro-Zionist party, so they are part of the problem in the treatment of Syria.

    AfD has zero power, and Germany’s role in Syria is very limited. The Western powers who do bear responsibility for the duration and escalation of the civil war are primarily the US and Britain, both of whom haven’t been enthusiastic in accepting Syrian refugees. The American sanctions policy against Syria is of course appalling, but again, that’s not something Germans have any influence on.

    I pointed out that the unemployment decreased.

    And I pointed out to you that the statistic means nothing, because they don’t count people in language and integration courses who are de facto unemployed.

    In the meantime, hold tight and give these people a chance

    I don’t intend to (even if I understand that unfortunately it isn’t possible to deport those people back to Syria under present conditions, given the economic sanctions and the demonization of Assad’s government). And frankly you’re kind of an imbecile for suggesting this. This is a hardline identitarian blog, “refugees welcome” sentiments aren’t wanted here.

    • Replies: @Sirius
  158. Talha says:
    @stevennonemaker88

    Someone made a documentary with archived footage and photos:
    https://archive.org/details/Algeria_d/Ennemi_Intime1-2.avi

    Here is some description of it:
    “Then Mohammed Garne, conceived when his mother Kheira was gang-raped by French soldiers at the age of 14 in 1959, won his lawsuit against the French state. Authorities last year admitted that Garne suffered birth defects from the beatings the soldiers inflicted on Kheira in the hope she would abort. After more than a decade of court battles, Garne was awarded a pension of €144 a month….interviewed dozens of veterans who admit to having seen or practised torture, rape and summary executions. Men in their 60s – including Jean Faure, the vice president of the French Senate – wept openly as they recounted secrets they’d kept their whole adult lives.”
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/breaking-silence-1.1053989

    If interested, you can read up on the earlier initial pacification efforts here:
    “Abd al-qadir did not anticipate, however, the extraordinary violence that the French would unleash on the Algerian people. General Bugeaud pursued a scorched-earth policy in the Algerian interior, designed to undermins popular support for Abd al-Qadir’s resistance – burning villages, driving away cattle, destroying harvests, and uprooting orchards. Men, women and children were killed, and officers were told to take no prisoners…Tribes and villages began to turn against Abd al-Qadir to avoid suffering the fate of his supporters…The French attack on the zimala had the desired effect. By Abd al-Qadir’s own estimate, the French killed one-tenth of the populaton of the mobile encampment. The loss of their elders, wives and children dealt a sever blow to his troops’ morale.”
    The Arabs: A History
    By Eugene Rogan

    Peace.

    • Thanks: stevennonemaker88, Sirius
  159. 3g4me says:
    @VICB3

    @3 VICB3: Assimilation is a cuckservative buzzword. It does not mean eating local food and wearing jeans. It means a combination of heavy host population pressure to conform to local norms and 2-3 generations of intermarriage with the natives to even superficially assimilate a large immigrant population (as America did with the Ellis Island immigrants). Add in massive differences in religion and race, and there is no such thing as ‘assimilation.’ One group conquers and essentially subsumes the other. By whatever means and however long, assimilation means the creation of a new hybrid population, not a continuation of the original people. This doesn’t have to be all negative (again, US example) but it automatically entails significant changes to the population and thus culture of the host nation.

    Mass immigration is a formula for disaster. Assimilation forever transforms the host nation. Both are evil and anti-White.

  160. Sirius says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Well, I don’t know what you mean by “here”, but I’ll assume it’s the US.

    Mexicans are leaving the US in greater numbers than arriving the last time I checked. Who are those poor people getting caged at the US-Mexico border?

    Well, at least some of them are Hondurans. What’s wrong with Honduras? A US-backed military coup got rid of their legitimately elected government in 2009 (yes, good ole Obama was president) and things got hopeless from there. This is not the first time. This has been happening for decades all over Central America. Anytime a leader works for his people and not the some huge corporations in these countries he stands a good chance of getting overthrown, usually with the connivance of the local US embassy. It happened in Guatemala with United Fruit (later known as Dole) in the 1950s, hence the term banana republic.

    Don’t want any more Hondurans fleeing to the border? Then protest your government’s policies of overarching intervention in Honduras, and in fact, all over the world. There is a cause and effect cycle in action here. Overthrowing other countries’ governments should be a red line not to be crossed.

    To go back full circle, the US funded and assisted the overthrow of Syria’s democratically elected government way back in 1949. You can read about it in Wilbur Crane Eveland’s Ropes of Sand. Eveland was that honest American who was appalled at the overthrow of a civilian, democratic government, which resulted in a cycle of dictatorships leading to the present time.

  161. 3g4me says:
    @stevennonemaker88

    @132 stevenonemaker88: I’ve used up my quota of LOLs, so you get it as a comment. Well golly, someone who seriously believes environment trumps genetics. LOL

    • Replies: @stevennonemaker88
  162. @Franklin Ryckaert

    The Malay Muslims were flexing their muslim muscles and reminding the Christians of the supremacy of Islam in all aspects of life including the right to take their daughters as spouses based on the Sharia.

    The Indonesians too have their way of expressing their Islamic supremacy. I wonder what the Indonesian muslims would have done to the likes of our George W. Bush who arrogantly state : Islam is a religion of peace ! There are two kinds of Islam ( moderate and extreme ) ! ISIS and Al-Qa’ida are extreme versions of Islam !

    [MORE]

    http://www.washingtonpost.com

    Jakarta’s Christian governor sentenced to prison in blasphemy case

    Jon Emont

    JAKARTA, Indonesia — Thousands of Indonesians gathered outside Cipinang prison in East Jakarta on Tuesday evening to express solidarity with a man who, just hours earlier, had been serving as their governor. Basuki Tjahaja Purnama, widely known by the nickname Ahok, was earlier sentenced by a court and taken to the prison — but not for the common crime of corruption, which is rife in Indonesia. Instead, his crime was blasphemy.

    Purnama, Jakarta’s first Christian governor in decades, had suggested late last year that Jakarta’s imams were misusing Koranic verses to discriminate against Christian candidates. The remarks created a furor in Muslim-majority Indonesia, prompting huge rallies by Islamists opposed to Purnama and leading, eventually, to his lopsided electoral defeat on April 19.

    After Purnama’s election loss, his supporters took to social media to push the idea that he should instead become the governor of Hindu-majority Bali. But that idea, never entirely serious, became fantasy this week after the court ruled against him. The five-judge panel sentenced Purnama, who is ethnic Chinese, to two years in prison.

    Indonesia, the most populous Muslim-majority country in the world, has long been regarded as a political science success case — a democracy with an open political system that generally respects the rights of religious and ethnic minorities. The verdict against Purnama, however, is merely the latest demonstration of the growing influence of Islamists — on the streets and in the state bureaucracy — on Indonesia’s politics.

    “The rise of sectarianism and the growing power of Islamist hard-liners in Indonesia has led to a decline in freedom of expression and freedom of belief,” said Usman Hamid, Amnesty International’s Indonesia director. “Ahok is someone who is tough-talking, but that doesn’t mean he deserves to be imprisoned. He’s not a corrupt leader stealing the money of the state, like so many others do.”

    Amnesty International and other civil rights organizations have called on Indonesia to repeal its blasphemy law.

    Many worry that the law and the growing religious intolerance in Indonesia will deter its ethnic and religious minorities from entering politics.

    Sofyan Tan, an ethnic Chinese Christian member of parliament from Medan, in North Sumatra province, said Islamist fury against Purnama reminded him of the time he ran for mayor of Medan but lost after a hate-filled campaign spearheaded by Muslim religious leaders.

    “There was nothing weird about this,” he said of the Islamist campaign against Purnama. “Racist attitudes are still with us.”

    The court’s decision disregarded the prosecutor’s recommendations that Purnama be given a suspended sentence and avoid prison time, in part because of his service to Jakarta. The verdict’s reasoning essentially dovetailed with that of the Islamist hard-liners who argued that Purnama’s statements on the campaign trail were a direct attack on the Koran.

    Among some observers, the ruling has raised doubts about the competence and objectivity of Indonesia’s judiciary, which continues to be hobbled by high-level corruption scandals, including one that led to the arrest of a judge on the nation’s highest court this year.

    “This decision has got to raise questions about what millions spent on judicial reform since the fall of Suharto have achieved: almost nothing,” wrote Sidney Jones, director of Jakarta’s Institute for Policy Analysis of Conflict, referring to judicial reforms instituted during Indonesia’s transition to democracy two decades ago.

    But Tan, the ethnic Chinese lawmaker, said it was too soon to give up on Indonesia. “This is the process of building towards a mature democracy,” he said. “Minority groups aren’t allowed to give up. We have to continue to love our country and fight for a better future.”

  163. Sirius says:
    @German_reader

    The American sanctions policy against Syria is of course appalling, but again, that’s not something Germans have any influence on.

    Well, we agree on one thing at least. It’s absolutely not Germany’s fault. But the EU also imposes sanctions which presumably Germany has some influence over.

    And I pointed out to you that the statistic means nothing, because they don’t count people in language and integration courses who are de facto unemployed.

    Not so, if you had any sense of logic, you would understand that they didn’t count people in language courses at 49.6% unemployment as well as at 42.2% unemployment, and there is a relative decrease. Unless you can prove there was a surge in people taking language courses that particular year, it does mean something. This is Germany: they have statistics on who’s taking language/integration courses.

    The same goes with your 3/4 figure of people on Hartz IV: it counts people on any aid whatsoever, whether partial or full. You didn’t mention that part. Oh, but that must be a reliable figure because it fits in with your conception. And it’s hardly a permanent condition.

    And frankly you’re kind of an imbecile for suggesting this. This is a hardline identitarian blog, “refugees welcome” sentiments aren’t wanted here.

    Frankly, you’re kind of an imbecile for writing that. Take up your complaint with the comments management. As far as I know, Unz Review is committed to free speech and alternative viewpoints and welcomes dissenting views. You just want to preach to the choir?

    And note that I never insulted you until you insulted me. When you’re ready for civilized debate, I’ll engage you in civilized debate. If you prefer hurling insults, I would suggest you to grow up or join some Trump fan club. You’ll feel right at home. He’s the master of insults.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  164. @3g4me

    was that your attempt at a rebuttal? no examples or any kind of argument, just LoL? Of course people’s genetics matter; Environment matters much more in many real world situations. This is true of sports, trades, and other areas in life. If you take someone with good genes for strength who never lifts weights, they will be far weaker than someone with average genetics who trains seriously. If you take someone with good genes for strength who ALSO trains seriously they will obviously be stronger than someone with average or poor genes. People also make individual decisions which is why even with similar genes and environment, outcomes still vary. You have no point, and that is why you did not even try to make one.

    • LOL: 3g4me
  165. KenH says:
    @Talha

    If you want to remain ignorant of what the French did in Algeria and claim they dindu nuffin’, it’s your prerogative.

    No doubt the French did some bad things in Algeria just like they did when they occupied Vietnam. But Algerians were doing bad things to each other as well and that didn’t stop when the French left in the 1960’s and Algeria has been in periodic turmoil ever since. Evicting the French didn’t solve their problems and lead to internal harmony and prosperity.

    I really don’t see the point in highlighting atrocities committed by European colonists when Algerians began migrating to France ever since the end of WWII and this trend has continued to the present day.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/16/world/africa/france-algeria-immigration-discrimination-racism.html

    The French must not be too bad if Algerian Muslims, other Africans and Muslims keep migrating to France and other European nations. Did you see large numbers of European Christians migrate to Turkey after they defeated the ruthless Ottoman Turks in 1683?

    Muslims love to bitch about how they’re treated in Europe yet don’t seem to be beating a path back to the Middle East or wherever they hail from. They don’t like Europe or Europeans but they sure do love their free shit via the European welfare state that provides housing, food and medical care courtesy of the hated kafirs.

    Maybe you can get back to us when you find evidence that the French attempted genocide against the Algerians like the Muslim Turks did to 1.5 million Armenians and other ethnic groups starting in 1915.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Sirius
    , @Mike Tre
  166. AbS2021 says:

    Another pathologic liar, french Zionist Mossad apologist. We have demonstrated the last 20 years that every single terror attacks which happened in France was radioguided by the french intelligence, in fact run by binational frenchisraelis. Last post ops we’ve thwarted was the fake beheading of Samuel Part, we announced 4 weeks before it happened. Muslims are getting used to France terrorism and do not obey Israel orders, that is causing problem. We have announced all of them in advance, see Mohamed Boutiche scandal!

    The author doesn’t talk about France narcoterrorism networks in North Africa, the multiple genocides carried out and never recognised in Algeria, Senegal, Rwanda, Cameroon, Madagascar etc…. Macron is funded with narcomoney, he is a dangerous little Hitler, involved in a planned genocide.

    AS
    Islamic-Intelligence

  167. Sirius says:
    @A123

    As an afterthought, I remembered your very own “Sephardi” Chief Rabbi: Ovadia Yosef (1920-2013), one of the most respected rabbis in “Israeli” / Occupied Palestine history, born an Iraqi Jew.

    Famous for his quote, from a sermon (in 2010) no less:

    “The sole purpose of non-Jews is to serve Jews”

    Guess what his birth name was:

    AbdALLAH Yusuf.

    So what was he by your reckoning? The servant of Satan?

  168. Fox says:

    The map shows a strong concentration of muslims in the German part of France. While it can be rationalized that the Mediterranean coast or the Paris region would be major areas of entry and settlement -as the map gives evidence for-, it is strange that along the eastern and northern part of France muslims would congregate, while in much of central and Western France there are only relatively few of them counted.

  169. Talha says:
    @KenH

    Evicting the French didn’t solve their problems and lead to internal harmony and prosperity.

    Algeria is not doing great, but it’s also not doing horribly bad. It’s not the 90s anymore.

    I really don’t see the point in highlighting atrocities committed by European colonists

    The person who prompted this asked me to compare what the French were doing in Algeria to what Algerians were doing in France, so I did. I didn’t randomly start the thread that way; I simply pointed out that the French were in Algeria and settled in mass numbers and they seem to have not learned a lesson from their experience and are inviting in masses of foreigners – that was all. People shouldn’t ask if they don’t want to see answers they don’t like.

    The French must not be too bad if Algerian Muslims, other Africans and Muslims keep migrating to France and other European nations.

    Yes the French have certainly changed over the decades, that’s for sure. If they were the same French as before, Muslims wouldn’t be allowed in at this rate in the first place. They also didn’t have gay pride parades many decades ago in Paris.

    Did you see large numbers of European Christians migrate to Turkey after they defeated the ruthless Ottoman Turks in 1683?

    So what? Their prerogative. Did the Turks specifically stop them from immigrating?

    Muslims love to bitch about how they’re treated in Europe yet don’t seem to be beating a path back to the Middle East or wherever they hail from.

    That sounds about right, I don’t like it when people whine. It’s a very loser thing to do. My general attitude to this is as reflected by Dr. Shadee below:

    We have the resources, but they are poorly allocated and distributed. That’s the fault of the Ummah, has nothing to do with the French. The French can help by not doing stupid things like destabilizing functioning countries like Libya and then complaining about the fallout. That seems like a reasonable request to me. However, if that doesn’t seem reasonable, they are free to try and destabilize Algeria to see if that will help the situation. Maybe this time it’ll work because…

    evidence that the French attempted genocide against the Algerians like the Muslim Turks did to 1.5 million Armenians and other ethnic groups starting in 1915.

    There is evidence of what I cited; namely that a significant percentage of the population (some estimates reaching 1/3) was eliminated in initial pacification efforts as well as a sustained policy to push native Algerians off the best land and into land that could not sustain their population in the interior. Whether the numbers compare to what the Turks did, I am not sure and have not seen a reliable estimate since I doubt anyone was keeping exact numbers at the time in that region.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @KenH
  170. @KenH

    Yeah, the Z-Man has written about this a fair amount, and he’s right. Both the right and the left view us as lumps of clay to be molded into their version of the perfect citizen.

    Both ideologies are inhuman.

  171. German_reader says:
    @Sirius

    it counts people on any aid whatsoever, whether partial or full. You didn’t mention that part.

    People who are employed in such low-paid work that they need supplemental welfare payments aren’t much of an economic positive either, far cry from the brain surgeons, entrepeneurs etc. of pro-immigration propaganda.

    And it’s hardly a permanent condition.

    Of course it is, many of these people are simply too stupid to ever achieve much in a modern Western society (bad genetics, depressed even further by marrying their cousins, and their stupid religion doesn’t help either). It’s not even their fault, on an individual level, but a very good argument to keep them out.
    For the record I would be fine with Germany sending generous aid to help accommodate refugees in their own regions, I just don’t want them to come as permanent immigrants to Germany.

    I would suggest you to grow up or join some Trump fan club.

    I think Trump is scum, couldn’t stand his foreign policy at all (not least because his appalling sanctions against Syria, Iran etc. increase the risk of even more Mideastern refugees coming to Europe). But I will never forswear insulting other commenters on Unz review, it enlivens commenting here and is just a lot of fun for me.

    • Replies: @Sirius
    , @Yahya K.
  172. songbird says:
    @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    I think there is a basal desire to spread copies of their genes by demolishing the borders. That is the root of what we are dealing with, IMO.

    Ash Sarkar had a great aunt who was some kind of terrorist against the British (including women) in India. She is quite ugly looking IMO, but probably thinks she is hot stuff.

  173. @VICB3

    Even better is for NATO to stop destabilizing a lot of those countries and there wouldn’t be refugees

  174. Sirius says:
    @KenH

    and @Talha

    In any case the “Muslim” Turks were not acting in the name of Islam. The “Young Turk” government were Turkish nationalists. By 1915, it wasn’t an Islamic authority anymore, nor did the Ottoman Sultan, officially as caliph and head of state, have much power.

    The actions of the Turkish nationalists caused “Muslim” Arabs and Syrians to revolt against them and fight for independence. They would regret allying with the British who partitioned their country, allowing the northern zone of Syria to by occupied by the French. But that’s another story. For four centuries Armenians lived under Ottoman rule without such a catastrophic policy taking place.

    Many “Christian” Armenians found refuge during the Turkish onslaught where? In “Muslim” Syria (it was actually secular and still is), where they gained full citizenship upon Syrian independence.

    It’s important to pay attention to these details, and not fall into a trap of “Christian” versus “Muslim”. They tell a bigger story.

    • Replies: @Avery
    , @KenH
  175. Sirius says:
    @German_reader

    ..their stupid religion

    Some are Christian by the way…

    Just out of curiosity, are you a fan of Christianity or like many (or most?) Germans, anti-religion in general?

    I think Trump is scum

    But you have to admit, he sure knew how to hurl insults. I would say that is his primary talent.

    Insulting is fun for you? As long as you can accept reciprocity, fine by me.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  176. Thim says:

    How’s your God-hating humanism working out for you, France?

  177. @TKK

    Good goy, defend your master. Don’t forget to stir the cholent and make sure it is nice and warm.

  178. Mike Tre says:
    @KenH

    You’re wasting your time with him. I never intimated that the French were innocent in Algeria, but Tahla needs to erect straw men to knock down. France currently has a serious immigrant problem with people of African origin, but Tahla’s all about the whataboutsim. He completely ignore’s the (it’s referred to as Muslim, but it’s really African/West Asian) violence, rape, destruction and welfare fraud taking place there, because his entire shtick is founded on “Muslims never do anything bad.”

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Marckus
  179. Sirius says:

    The French must not be too bad if Algerian Muslims, other Africans and Muslims keep migrating to France and other European nations.

    I think it’s the cheese. The cheese is just too good to pass up.

    Did you see large numbers of European Christians migrate to Turkey…

    The cheese wasn’t that good. The kabobs were though, so I don’t know why.

    • LOL: Talha
  180. Talha says:
    @Mike Tre

    He completely ignore’s the (it’s referred to as Muslim, but it’s really African/West Asian) violence, rape, destruction and welfare fraud taking place there, because his entire shtick is founded on “Muslims never do anything bad.”

    Actually, this is a straw man. I have never denied that Muslim immigrants are causing problems in France. If the French want to roll back their stupid immigration policies and strip Muslims of citizenship and repatriate them, they are free to do so – it is their country, they can do whatever they want. Still doesn’t change a single thing I wrote about what they did historically when they were in Algeria.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Talha
  181. Talha says:
    @Talha

    If the French want to roll back their stupid immigration policies and strip Muslims of citizenship and repatriate them, they are free to do so – it is their country, they can do whatever they want.

    And this is the case even if the Muslim immigrants were contributing positively to the country; the French can create whatever policies they feel they want for themselves. There’s no reason for Muslims to go to them for handouts, we should be able to take care of our own. If we are failing that responsibility, then that’s on us, it’s nobody else’s responsibility.

    • Agree: Commentator Mike
  182. Avery says:
    @Sirius

    {” For four centuries Armenians lived under Ottoman rule without such a catastrophic policy taking place.”}

    You are mistaken.

    Before the Armenian Genocide of 1915-1923 (and genocide of Pontic Greeks, and genocide of Assyrians), there was almost an endless list of massacres of Christians of Asia Minor by the invading nomad Muslim Turks.

    There was the Hamidian massacre of Armenian by Sultan Hamid – ~300,000 Armenians civilians murdered. (1894-1896)
    There was the Adana massacre of 1909, when ~30,000 Armenians were massacred by Turks.
    There were numerous little massacres, abductions of children and young women, murders,…..throughout the centuries of Turk subjugation of indigenous Christian peoples of Asia Minor.

    You are right though that this was not a simple Muslim-Christian affair.
    Armenians survivors of the genocide did find shelter in (nominally) Muslim Syria, and some other Muslim countries.

    But the Muslims angle cannot be ignored.
    Muslims – Turks, Kurds, Circassians, other Muslims – massacred Christians with relish.

    Today, Muslims living in Christian countries are hardly ever bothered.
    But Christians in Muslim countries – those that remain – have to watch their step, and are frequently victims of unpunished violence,.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
    , @Sirius
  183. All the attacks were false flag.

    • Troll: Ian Smith
  184. @anon

    “At the end of WW1, hundreds of thousands of Greeks were kicked out of Turkey and an almost equal number of Turks were kicked out of Greece. ”

    That is incorrect. About 1.5 million Greeks were exchanged for around 500,000 Turks.

  185. Alden says:
    @Sirius

    He’s just as much a welfare parasite as the rest of them. His fake job salary office etc is paid for by the Austrian taxpayer. His fake job is getting more Muslim immigrants in welfare. That’s not a job, it’s just another welfare parasite.

    • Replies: @Sirius
  186. @Avery

    To be fair, Circassians fought on the Geek side in the Greco-Turkish war of 1919-1922:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Turkish_War_(1919–1922)

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  187. @Sirius

    Here we go, once the insults fly, we know we’re dealing with a problematic character,

    Oh please.

    It’s bad enough having to deal with brainfucked, mendacious pieces of filth like you in the real world.

    On a site like this, you should be nothing but mercilessly insulted.

    • Replies: @Sirius
  188. anonymous[393] • Disclaimer says:

    reawaken Europeans to their own identity and tradition amidst the reigning nihilism.

    Reawaken Europeans…? Reigning nihilism? Er, what about euRapean proclivity to the following?

    https://www.rt.com/news/514470-cologne-catholic-child-sex-abuse-report/

    Your oh-so-godly-nuns, the so-called “brides of Christ.” They did not wish to be left far behind their vermin male counterparts. The whoring bitches!! Lol!

    You degenerate lowlifes should be trying to lay such euRapean “identity and tradition” to a permanent sleep, not reawaken it.

  189. Sirius says:
    @Avery

    I never meant to imply that the Armenian experience was always a happy one, which is why I employed the phrase “such a catastrophic policy”. The scale of 1915 was awful and evidently meant to eliminate the Armenian population from what became the Turkish Republic. By and large, that is what happened, but the Armenians did manage to survive over the centuries, until then.

    But the Muslims angle cannot be ignored.
    Muslims – Turks, Kurds, Circassians, other Muslims – massacred Christians with relish.

    True, but nor can the Christian angle. Each example would have be examined on its own, as massacres or expulsions of Muslims also took place in the Balkans, the Caucasus.

    There are plenty of other examples where Muslim rule was more enlightened, as in Syria, Mesopotamia (Iraq), Egypt and Muslim Spain, so that angle cannot be ignored either.

    But Christians in Muslim countries – those that remain – have to watch their step, and are frequently victims of unpunished violence.

    Again, we can’t just take this as one block of events. Christians are persecuted invariably by extremist groups (often supported by “Christian”-majority countries or their proxies) in opposition to state authority, as in Syria. In Syria, the secular government protects Christians and is being assaulted by Western countries and the Zionist entity. Unfortunately, the Armenians of Syria were one of those communities put in danger by the disastrous, now decade-long Syrian war, and many perhaps most have since emigrated to Armenia.

    In Iraq, we can thank the American/Zionist (“neocon”) invasion and destruction of the state for the precariousness of the situation of Iraqi Christians today, what’s left of them. Western (“Christian”, but not really) policy has been far worse to Christians in these countries than the local policy. Perhaps in the future, all this will be blamed on “Muslims” as a whole, but this will be incorrect.

    A bit of a different but related subject: it’s far more scandalous that rich, nominally “Muslim” Arab countries haven’t welcomed the Syrians or Iraqis. “Saudi”* Arabia just for one could easily have accommodated all of the Syrian refugees. Why didn’t they? Turkey took in 2-3 million, Lebanon almost 1 million, Jordan almost 1 million. Yet “Saudi” Arabia: zip. This despite, or perhaps because of, the fact that “Saudis” are major agitators in the Syrian conflict. The US (and behind it “Israel”) being the sponsors and protector of that government could easily have directed the “Saudis” to accept them.

    *I use quotes because of my belief that no country should be named after a ruling family nor recognized as such.

    • Replies: @Avery
    , @Malla
  190. anonymous[393] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright

    Just the latest example of your “don’t owe anything to reality”…

    https://www.rt.com/news/514470-cologne-catholic-child-sex-abuse-report/

    But, this shoving of the head up your assholes is what will decimate the spirituality of the euRapean evilisation. You may personally not lament it, but the evilisation as a whole will always feel a certain intangible hollowness, of being spiritually adrift, as it hurtles down its path to utter degeneracy. If anything, it will be Islam which can save it.

    The evil will of course pay in the Hereafter, but for me they should pay now also. So, no matter what, keep your accursed head where it is now.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  191. Sirius says:
    @Alden

    and @German reader

    So we’re just going to just pick on that one guy? He did train as a lawyer in Syria, came with an education, he learned German, he got a job with what he could do. He’s not sitting around on the dole.

    I did offer other examples.

    Still not good enough? If you visit some major German cities, you might notice a big increase in the number of Syrian restaurants. You can ask “German_reader” about it, though he might just dismiss it and say “I don’t care, I don’t need more hummus, I’m happy with my wurst”.

    But that wouldn’t be the point. The point is that these people just wanted to continue life after escaping a war zone, which is still active, and wanted to work. If they came only for the welfare benefits why didn’t they arrive decades ago, when the benefits were so much better (Hartz IV is a shadow of the previous benefits regime).

    The fact is, Germany showed a humanitarian side that should be the envy of the other Western countries, especially the ones that directly intervened in Syria (Germany didn’t). It is the pride of Germany, save for those AfD nutcases and a few others more extreme than them.

    Desperate times make for desperate people, and instead of blaming people for being desperate, focus on the ones who made them desperate. And for crying out loud, stop these endless wars!

  192. Damascene says:
    @Marckus

    Allah is the Arabic word for God you imbecile.

    They’re flocking to Europe because you’re destroying their country and they have been mentally colonized into believing the illusion of materialism. They had decent standards of living before your hordes of resource and oil hungry armies showed up.

    Your civilization is collapsing because you have abandoned the spiritual and are obsessed with consumerism and materialism. Few understand this. Unreal how Christians abandoned the principles which built a stable civilization for centuries and then slapped the absolutely made up “prosperity gospel” to sugarcoat their delusions.

    • Replies: @Marckus
  193. “Selfie taken by Mohamed Lahouaiej Bouhlel, shortly before driving a truck down the Promenade des Anglais in Nice on Bastille Day 2016, killing 86 people.”
    And the reporter on the scene was German journalist and blogger named Richard Gutjahr…who just happens to be married to Israeli potentate Einat Wilf, a former Israeli Intelligence Officer in Unit 8200 who served as foreign policy advisor to Shimon Peres. Gutjahr also miraculously happened to be at the scene of another terror attack months later.

    Things are not quite what they seem!

    • Agree: Iris
  194. Sirius says:
    @silviosilver

    Ok, asshole. Keep on doing that goose-step while worshipping your Zionist masters. It’s people like you that should be banned from this site because you clearly don’t belong to anything resembling a polite, civilized society. Unfortunately, vulgarians like you are accepted here.

    This is a free speech site for alternative viewpoints. It doesn’t say anywhere Nazi or fascist or even xenophobic viewpoints only. It doesn’t give you license to be an insulting jerk. The filth is right there in your mouth, so stop projecting.

  195. anonymous[393] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dieter Kief

    step – – back a bit

    That “bit” is from 2013.

    If we are “stepping back a bit,” let us stretch it a little further and include this;

    https://www.rt.com/news/514470-cologne-catholic-child-sex-abuse-report/

    There are an “infinite” 🙂 number of such cases relating to your accursed clergy, pastors, priests, fathers, mothers, sisters, brothers, etc.

    Why are you lowlifes trying to obfuscate (swept under the rug?) all of that? Except, you can’t… your accursed clergy will just not let you, as new cases of their sexual shenanigans are revealed every other day.

    Rotherham!!… roothherhaaaaam!!… I *spit* on the euRapean evilisation!

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  196. solo says:
    @Anonymous

    It is because of semi-educated half wits like you that France will be carved out to accomodate almost 10 million muslims by 2030. Muslims level of education has nothing to do with assimilation; there are some repugnant practices of native french perverts, that muslims will never accept, educated or uneducated. E.G. Gay/lesbians, sex outside of marriage, consuming Pigs, to name a few, The french should accept and respect muslims sensitivities instead of lecturing muslims, because muslims are not particularly very impressed by perverted western or french values.

    • Agree: Druid
  197. Marckus says:
    @Damascene

    I thought Moslems were respectful and not abusive. Are you one of those exceptions ?

    Well then, you know why Moslems like you kneel over and bend forward in the mosque? Think about it. Its so they can smell each others arses and nuts. That way, especially here in the West one can tell if the guy in front got a better meal at the Christian soup kitchen the day before.

    Our civilization is not collapsing. Without us, you, your parents, siblings, uncles, aunts, grandparents and all you other extended family parasites would be herding camels and having some soda crackers and cheap tea for your breakfast.

    Get this through your thick Moslem head you Allah worshipping arse sniffer, without us, you and your whole cunt family would be shiftless nomads wandering about the desert wearing dresses, bathing once a month and sleeping in shelters of goat skin.

    I personally dont give a shit what Allah means. Here is a riddle for you Abdul. What is the difference between your mother and a washing machine ? Answer, when a bunch of smelly Moslems dump a load in the washing machine it does not follow him around. LOL

    • Replies: @Damascene
  198. @RadicalCenter

    I agree that a lawful, peaceful way is best. But how lawful was the last Presidential election? How peaceful were the BLM “demonstrations” ? America is at an advanced state of economic, social and political collapse. When the inevitable happens, God only knows what will happen. Civil war cannot be ruled out. The next few years will tell.

  199. German_reader says:
    @Sirius

    Some are Christian by the way…

    Vast majority of Syrian refugees in Germany are Sunni Muslims, that is exactly the type of people who are prone to Islamic extremism and might well become the sort of internal enemy many Muslims in France already are.
    I wouldn’t want millions of Mideastern Christians coming to Germany either, but I’m more willing to admit a limited number of them, since they don’t cause the same amount of trouble and actually are facing real threats in their home countries given Islamic intolerance.

    Just out of curiosity, are you a fan of Christianity or like many (or most?) Germans, anti-religion in general?

    No, not a fan, primarily because the Christian churches in Germany are among the main promoters of indiscriminate mass immigration (they’re even sending ships of their own now to the Mediterranean to pick up migrants and bring them to Europe).
    Different problem from Islam though. Christianity in Europe today is bad because it’s naive, subversive and eroding the will to resistance against hostile outsiders, indeed throwing the doors open for them. Islam is bad because far too many of its adherents have dreams of conquest and domination, have a tribal morality and easily resort to violence.

  200. German_reader says:
    @Sirius

    This is a free speech site for alternative viewpoints.

    Maybe, but Durocher’s blog is hardline identitarian, it’s meant to be a place for discussion by Europeans and other Westerners who object to the great replacement and want to exchange views about the situation in their countries and possible counter-strategies. It’s annoying and a form of trolling when even here the comments section gets invaded by Islamic propagandists like Talha with his “But think of the atrocities long-dead French colonialists committed in Algeria!” or by immigration apologists like you who even resorts to inane arguments about culinary enrichment through Syrian restaurants (nothing “alternative” about such views btw, it’s standard multiculturalist dogma). imo Silviosilver is basically correct, it would be appropriate if Talha, you and others like you were mercilessly insulted all the time until you’ve been bullied off this blog. But unfortunately Western right-wingers are too nice for that kind of thing.

    • Replies: @Sirius
  201. Moi says:
    @Charles Martel France

    I think that ruling is totally stupid. Allah, which mean The God in Arabic, is same as Alaha in Aramaic (the language of Christ) and Elohim in Hebrew. The key thing is to believe in a single Creator, regardless of what you choose to call him. So Brahman in Hinduism is same as Allah for Muslim, although there are theological/philosophical differences between religions. We have enough crap in this world to be creating more crap by arguing about God. There is no your God and my God, there is just God.

    The above is my opinion for what it’s worth…

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  202. @anonymous

    Oh please spare us your “Islam will save Europe” idea!

    Here is how Islam treats thieves, all according to the WILL OF ALLAH:

    Pure barbary!

  203. Moi says:
    @Marckus

    How totally stupid and bigoted. They are coming to the West for the same reason some Americans and Americans companies choose to live in or do business in China–MONEY!

    The west has done much to destroy Muslims countries. I would also add that, while most in those countries call themselves Muslims, there is very little “Islamic” about them. Like many Christians, a lot of Muslims are removed from the principles and ideals of their faith.

    • Agree: showmethereal
  204. Marckus says:
    @Mike Tre

    What Talha needs to realize is that in war there is no such thing as innocence. When one side indulges in atrocity it gives the other licence to do the same. This is a fact and it is irrelevant who started the ball rolling.

    I see a lot of photos posted with French soldiers holding heads etc. Yet, it is a well known fact that the prudent soldier should never allow photos. Hence, I view all these photos as propaganda and if they are genuine then the action is retaliation for what the other side was doing. Which race to this day is renowned for beheading ?

    Lets get real. Colonial powers have long exited Africa but local leaders and politicians still to this day brutalise and exterminate their rivals. Worse yet, they come to Europe and the West with the same old habits, tribal and clan quarrels going back thousands of years.

    When the rumble starts each side does all it should not and all it can to WIN. Hence the drivel Talha posts is one sided hogwash and quite frankly lopsided bullshit.

  205. KenH says:
    @Sirius

    It’s important to pay attention to these details, and not fall into a trap of “Christian” versus “Muslim”. They tell a bigger story.

    My point wasn’t to show that Muslim = bad and European/Christian = good. The Armenian genocide was only mentioned to remind some posters that the alleged atrocities committed by European colonists have been equaled or exceeded by non Europeans/Christians including by Muslims.

    True, the Young Turks were ethnic nationalists but there was still a Muslim component to the mass killings of Armenians and other ethnic minorities. Some Armenian women were forcibly converted to Islam to avoid death. I can’t find any stories where any victim was given the choice to become a Turkish nationalist. And don’t you find it odd that none of the victims were Muslim but all of the executioners were including ethnic Kurds?

    For four centuries Armenians lived under Ottoman rule without such a catastrophic policy taking place.

    You’re forgetting the massacre of Armenians in 1894-1896 when Turkey was under the rule of the “tolerant” Ottomans. And while some Armenians achieved a measure of success this was in spite of some discrimination they faced from the Ottoman government.

  206. @anonymous

    I spoke out against sweeping this kind of misbehavior under the rug, mind you – you are storming an open door, No 393. You could walk through it if you’d generally oppose such behavior too, you’d be welcome.

  207. KenH says:
    @Talha

    The person who prompted this asked me to compare what the French were doing in Algeria to what Algerians were doing in France, so I did.

    Yes, I knew I butted in midstream but couldn’t help myself.

    So what? Their prerogative. Did the Turks specifically stop them from immigrating?

    The point being that the Turks wouldn’t have allowed them to and if they did they would not have showered them with welfare and forbid Turkish natives from criticizing their presence and peculiar idiosyncrasies.

    There is evidence of what I cited; namely that a significant percentage of the population (some estimates reaching 1/3) was eliminated in initial pacification efforts

    That is your right and like I said there is no doubt the French committed atrocities but I doubt it amounted to killing off of up to 1/3 of the population during their conquest and occupation. This is similar to bogus claims that European settlers in N. America killed off 100 million Indians with primitive firearms and smallpox blankets.

    Whatever atrocities the French colonists committed didn’t happen in a vacuum considering the N. African Muslim conquest and 700yr occupation of Spain, The Muslim conquest and occupation of Constantinople and the Byzantine empire in 1453, the periodic Muslim incursions into Europe and attempted conquest that was finally smashed in 1683 and the Muslim Berbers, some of whom hailed from Algeria, raiding the European coastlines and taking up to a million slaves.

    There’s a pseudo academic industry that has sprung up that specializes in exaggerating crimes and atrocities by European colonists for the purpose of guilt tripping and demoralizing Europeans and making them think that those crimes are unique and without equal in world history. Sadly, this effort has worked and transformed a large percentage of American whites and Europeans into racial masochists.

    • Agree: Bernie
    • Replies: @Talha
  208. Talha says:
    @KenH

    The point being that the Turks wouldn’t have allowed them to and if they did they would not have showered them with welfare

    If the statement is that the Turks had smarter immigration policies than the French do; acknowledged.

    but I doubt it amounted to killing off of up to 1/3 of the population during their conquest and occupation.

    OK – say it is off grossly by a factor of three; still one in ten.

    guilt tripping and demoralizing Europeans and making them think that those crimes are unique and without equal in world history.

    In a world where Mongol hordes existed, thats a tough one to sell. I’m certainly not saying what the French did was unique. In fact, I specifically said to “Commenter Mike”:
    “This wasn’t unique to France to be honest, this was par for the course in that era of colonial rule – even the Turks were guilty of this.”

    That era was marked by mass setting into other peoples’ lands and just moving them aside. And if they starved or died in mass numbers, well – they just had to deal. Europeans eventually did this to each other also in the two world wars until we get the current (more homogeneous) borders we have today. The Turks were on the decline then so they did it internally as they went hyper-violent in the last stages of collapse trying to preserve their territorial integrity. Other colonial powers were on the rise so did it as they expanded in that same timeframe. The French were certainly not the most brutal European colonists; the Spanish and Portuguese can easily claim that distinction. French (and Belgians) are in the middle, with the British generally being the best of the bunch. If my country was being colonized by any of those, I would have easily chosen the Brits.

    I’m not trying to guilt trip Europeans into anything because I don’t expect anything from them. As I said, even if Muslims were model citizens, they could change the laws to kick them out if that’s what they wanted to do; it’s their country. I have expectations from fellow Muslims because of mutual responsibilities of brotherhood in the sacred law that we are not fulfilling.

    Peace.

  209. @Sirius

    Desperate times make for desperate people, and instead of blaming people for being desperate, focus on the ones who made them desperate.

    Why should anyone have to put up with these desperate people who then rape and murder all across Europe so that people cannot enjoy the freedom of their towns and cities to walk around unmolested at any time of the day or night as Europeans are used to doing? Why not be honest and say the Europeans deserve to be murdered and raped for what they have done to Arabs and Africans and that this is righteous revenge, instead of pretending that these immigrants are somehow useful and beneficial to Europeans?

  210. @Sirius

    This is a free speech site for alternative viewpoints.

    Since your risible immigration-boosting bullshit is so utterly mainstream, you could be shown the door on that basis alone.

    Keep on doing that goose-step

    Just to prove that I have a compassionate side, I really do hope for your own sake that that remark results from your mendacity rather than your delusion. Just think how thoroughly, thoroughly fucked in the head you really have to be to imagine that only a “nazi” could object to being overrun by racially and culturally alien immigrant shitheads.

    while worshipping your Zionist masters.

    No one familiar with my posting history could describe me as a fan of Israel, but still, I hope they succeed in driving out the Arabs. There’d be a lesson in it for the rest of us.

  211. @Sirius

    So we’re just going to just pick on that one guy? He did train as a lawyer in Syria, came with an education, he learned German, he got a job with what he could do. He’s not sitting around on the dole.

    Dipshit, you are the one who brought him up, thinking his example would somehow impress people (thereby proving how utterly tone-deaf you are). It would actually be better for Austria if he were straightforwardly on the dole rather than handed a government sinecure through which he can multiply the harm his presence is already causing.

    • Replies: @Sirius
  212. @Talha

    So what you are telling me is that this vaunted high-IQ business everyone keeps talking about isn’t all that helpful. I will certainly agree with you that the French have been making very stupid choices for a while now, it’s debatable when exactly the stupidity began.

    I don’t think it has anything to do with IQ. The decision makers, i.e. rulers, don’t really care about their own people and countries as they have this globalist NWO ideology to pursue.

    • Replies: @Talha
  213. Talha says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Sure, but high-IQ apparently hasn’t provided people with the ability to remove them. Look, we have tones of hostile elites all over the Muslim world that run the places like their own fiefdoms with armies ready to fire at unarmed protesters, but we keep getting told we are inbred retards so at least we have an excuse. What is the French excuse for not being able to vote out the leaders that are making policies detrimental to the public…isn’t that what democracy was supposed to solve?

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  214. Sirius says:
    @German_reader

    Don’t worry. I’ll just leave when I know it’s a lost cause, which is basically now. It doesn’t require bullying, the appalling ignorance in my view is enough. It’s not a blog by the way; it’s an article on a website.

    Nevertheless, I don’t really see why you want to only discuss it with like-minded people. If you have a strong argument, make it. No need for insults, in fact, they weaken your argument. Some of you here seem to be threatened by the facts, if they don’t fit in with or support your theories. For example, Steve Jobs was biologically half Syrian. Oh, but he must have been an exception or it must have been his biological mother’s side..

    inane arguments about culinary enrichment through Syrian restaurants

    Perfect example. I wasn’t arguing about culinary enrichment. I was arguing that Syrians are working and starting businesses. You just want to believe what you want to believe.

    I’m not too keen on hardline identitarian nonsense, discredited race theories and discussions of racial IQs. They are all based on spurious research. I thought this stuff was all resolved in the mid 20th century. So if that’s all this group of commenters is about, then I won’t waste any more time.

    I’m not an immigration apologist either, as you say. I want it to be unnecessary on a mass scale, which means, once again, address the causes, namely the massive interference in their countries.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  215. anonyms says:
    @RoatanBill

    The Muslims have nothing to offer any western country.

    The accursed psychopathic western evilisation is generally called the “Christian civilisation.” Its spirituality wobbles on a belief system of pagan polytheist mangods-worship. This abomination makes as little sense as the now dead (thankfully) Greek mythology (well, it can be argued that it lives on in the guise of Christianity), and more infuriatingly, the as yet undead, Hindooism. All of them simply various flavours of the age-old Triple Deity pagan family.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_deity

    Do you godless scum like your spirituality clubbed together with the batshit craziness of Hindooism, a form of Hindooism-lite, Trinity/Trimurthi etc.? Are you now beginning to get the idea, why the western evilisation is of the accursed?

    Your kind of rabid pagan/godless degenerates, the enemies of the Tawheed, and thus God Himself, are headed for the Fire. I don’t think your blind demented minds can actually comprehend that your future destiny is an unimaginable torment, for all eternity. For you vermin, it is highly deserving of course, so I will savour that foreknowledge.

    The very least True Monotheists have on offer (through Dawah or Marriage or …), is the only path to spiritual salvation, the rock-solid Tawheed, for a small number of blessed souls in your spiritually cursed lands. For those blessed, Muslims in their midst will prove to be a godsend.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
    , @Malla
    , @anonymous
  216. Sirius says:
    @silviosilver

    Well, you’re entitled to idiotic opinion. You have absolutely no argumentation, just insults. You prove your low level of intelligence again.

    I did offer other examples. It doesn’t mean he’s the only one, but for a simpleton like you, you can only handle one example.

    No one familiar with my posting history could describe me as a fan of Israel, but still, I hope they succeed in driving out the Arabs. There’d be a lesson in it for the rest of us.

    Well, I’m not familiar with it, nor do I want to be. But you just proved my point. Are you trying to win a stupidity contest? Kneel to your Zionist masters, not even knowing who you are serving.

    Oh, and how’s the goose-stepping going? Don’t let your knees lock up.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  217. German_reader says:
    @Sirius

    So if that’s all this group of commenters is about, then I won’t waste any more time.

    You’re commenting on the blog of a French identitarian who clearly views the large-scale presence of Muslims in his country as a very serious, potentially existential problem…and then you’re surprised that it’s frequented by commenters with similar views???
    If you want some place where everybody just whines about how Zionists are being really mean to Palestinians there are more than enough such communities on the net. This blog focuses on the collective interests of white Europeans, if you don’t like that, why are you here? Just for trolling and derailing discussions?

    I want it to be unnecessary on a mass scale, which means, once again, address the causes, namely the massive interference in their countries.

    There’s a grain of truth in that, and I’m firmly opposed to Western military interventions in the Islamic world. However the prime reason for immigration pressure is the massive demographic expansion in Africa and parts of the Islamic world, which would still be true if all Western troops were withdrawn from the Mideast and all sanctions ended. It’s only “our” fault insofar as Western inventions and technological advances enabled this population explosion.

  218. anonyms says:
    @Malla

    Lol! Malla, the house-dotnigga, comes in valiantly to support his massas again!

    So, something along those lines applies to your dung-hole too, during the Raj and all, yeah?

    • Replies: @Malla
  219. Sirius says:
    @KenH

    No doubt you make some good points, but I was just pointing out the nuances.

  220. Some of you here seem to be threatened by the facts, if they don’t fit in with or support your theories

    Not threatened, tired. Tired of refuting the same old bullshit time after time after time.

    I’m not too keen on hardline identitarian nonsense, discredited race theories and discussions of racial IQs. They are all based on spurious research. I thought this stuff was all resolved in the mid 20th century.

    Wrong, dead wrong.

    “Discredited,” perhaps, but not disproven, and not spurious.

    And repressed, not “resolved.”

    If its rearing its head again frightens you, good. Fuck you.

    • Agree: German_reader, Bernie
    • Replies: @Sirius
  221. @Sirius

    But you just proved my point. Are you trying to win a stupidity contest?

    Stupidity would be taking advice on how best to advance my cause from a person fervently opposed to it.

  222. @Talha

    You’ve been around long enough to know what “democracy” really stands for, and what voting can or cannot achieve, and how the entire scam of politics is run. It isn’t that much different how those on top rule those below in the West or the Muslim and Thirds World; it’s just that those in the West are better at pretending that it’s something it is not.

    • Replies: @Talha
  223. @Commentator Mike

    Correction. I meant to write “Greek” not “Geek” in:

    To be fair, Circassians fought on the Geek side in the Greco-Turkish war of 1919-1922

    • Replies: @Talha
  224. brams says:
    @Commentator Mike

    The situation must be clarified. Independence means that Algeria can only be ruled by Algerians. And the 900,000 « pieds noirs » had the option of remaining Algerians, but they chose to leave the country following OAS which advocated the scorched earth policy burning down Oran’s fuel reserves, the National Library of the University of Algiers etc…. And, don’t forget that the French of Algerian origin are as French if not more than the Israeli binationals who voluntarily do their military service in Israel

    • Replies: @German_reader
  225. Sirius says:
    @silviosilver

    You’re a real class act.

    If you weren’t threatened by the facts, you wouldn’t need to resort to vulgarian and bully tactics. You’re a low-life. Admit it.

    By the way, if you want to preach to the choir and are tired of “refuting”, which you certainly didn’t do with any of my comments, press the ignore commenter button and be done with it. Then you can have your own convention of ignoramuses, consoling each other and crying about “immigrants taking over your country”.

  226. @songbird

    I think there is a basal desire to spread copies of their genes by demolishing the borders. That is the root of what we are dealing with, IMO.

    Perhaps, that would be part of the humiliation some of them desire to inflict upon Europeans as a way of getting even. I think organisations like the English Defence League actually end up satisfying the urge of the violent sections of the immigrants to see the natives humiliated and beaten. The police always turn a blind eye to immigrant-on-native violence as occurs between packs of (most often) Muslim youths and the EDL, I suppose they get to feel some pride in having “conquered” the area by themselves.

    Ash Sarkar had a great aunt who was some kind of terrorist against the British (including women) in India. She is quite ugly looking IMO, but probably thinks she is hot stuff.

    She always manages to get slots on flagship TV shows in the UK like Question Time and

    Good Morning Britain

    , despite ostensibly being an “anti-establishment” figurehead.

  227. Talha says:
    @Commentator Mike

    it’s just that those in the West are better at pretending that it’s something it is not.

    Well, it certainly helps the illusion when you don’t have landslide elections like in the Muslim world where Generalisimo gets 95% of the vote.

    Still doesn’t answer the underlying question, but that’s OK – if you’re saying the elites generally try to screw you no matter where you live, I’ll agree to that.

    Peace.

  228. Talha says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Well, the Geeks lost pretty badly so the mistake is understandable.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  229. German_reader says:
    @brams

    And the 900,000 « pieds noirs » had the option of remaining Algerians

    lol, sure:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oran_massacre_of_1962
    No doubt the French had committed a lot of war crimes of their own in Algeria, but this level of pro-FLN propaganda is really a bit much.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  230. Ron Unz says:
    @German_reader

    lol, sure:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oran_massacre_of_1962
    No doubt the French had committed a lot of war crimes of their own in Algeria, but this level of pro-FLN propaganda is really a bit much.

    Well, I’d vaguely heard of the “Oran Massacre” so just out of curiosity, I clicked on your link and discovered that the total of fatalities was estimated at between 95 and 365. Frankly, while unfortunate, that doesn’t really sound like all that big a “massacre” to me.

    By contrast, apparently well over 100,000 more conservative Frenchmen were massacred by leftist forces in the aftermath of the German military withdrawal in 1944, and it seems likely that many millions, perhaps as many as ten million, ethnic German civilians died or were killed after the end of World War II:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-post-war-france-and-post-war-germany/

    The fact that these “somewhat” larger events are largely invisible in our standard histories, while I’d heard of the Oran Massacre demonstrates the power of propaganda.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  231. German_reader says:
    @Ron Unz

    Nobody really knows what exactly happened at Oran and how many were killed there, neither the French (who at that point just wanted to get out) nor the Algerians had any interest in a real investigation.
    Anyway, my point isn’t that Algerians are uniquely evil (given the brutal nature of the independence war they certainly had good reasons to oppose any remaining European presence). I just wanted to point out that it’s somewhat misleading to pretend that pieds noirs didn’t face a real threat of violence if they stayed in Algeria.

    perhaps as many as ten million, ethnic German civilians died or were killed after the end of World War II

    Ten million deaths isn’t credible. It’s probably several hundred thousand from the Oder-Neisse territories, and tens of thousands from the Sudetenland (and I write that as someone who is rather irritated by how those large-scale expulsions have been “forgotten”).

    • Troll: Ron Unz
    • Replies: @silviosilver
  232. @Talha

    The Greeks weren’t too far off from winning outright and liberating all of Anatolia. It was those damned Soviets, Brits and Frenchies who wouldn’t go along and stabbed the Greeks in the back.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Malla
  233. German_reader says:
    @Sirius

    If you weren’t threatened by the facts

    But you don’t bring up any facts that go beyond propagandistic anecdotes about Syrian surgeons or that “model” Syrian who wants to enter the Bundestag (and who is, as I pointed out, just an ungrateful parasite who’s made pro-open borders lobbying his mission, something which certainly won’t benefit native Germans, so it’s not even a good pro-immigrant ancedote unless one is already brainwashed). You haven’t demonstrated that large-scale immigration of Muslims has been in any way beneficial to the native populations of European countries with large Muslim minorities.

    • Replies: @Sirius
  234. Talha says:
    @Commentator Mike

    I recall they got their heads cracked in the counter attack and had to sue for peace. If you have to depend on the Brits, the French and the Soviets to make any headway…you should have thought about that from the get go.

    Peace.

  235. Sirius says:
    @German_reader

    You still don’t get it. I’m not trying to prove that “that large-scale immigration of Muslims” or anyone else is beneficial and I’m not trying to argue in favor of large scale immigration at all.

    I do oppose racism in general, in all directions, and these bogus IQ statistics, but that is another argument. I oppose supremacy and race arrogance of all shades and types.

    All I’m doing is arguing that the root causes need to be addressed. I am quite familiar with the case in Syria, and there the prime cause, not secondary, is outside intervention. Syria’s economy was progressing quite nicely until 2011.

    You wrote:

    the prime reason for immigration pressure is the massive demographic expansion

    I can address Syria’s case and tell you it’s absolutely not true. Syria before the war was self-sufficient in wheat production, had a steadily increasing standard of living and a growing middle class. It was a middle income country.

    Today, it has no access to its most fertile territory, which is east of the river Euphrates, nor its oil wells. The land is illegally occupied by US troops or US proxies, no doubt in support of “Israel”, as it serves no US interest. Much of the country is on the verge of starvation and barely subsisting. Severe US and EU sanctions have been imposed.

    I can’t think of a clearer example of cause and effect.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  236. @kratic

    True – but to white supremacists everyone else is expendable and doesn’t count. You are absolutely correct – France and other former imperialists allow their former (ruined) colonies poor residents to migrate – simply because they need the menial jobs to be filled.

  237. Damascene says:
    @Marckus

    I was respectful towards the Christian civilization. I have no mandate to be respectful to you who initiated the disrespect. Enjoy the lgbtqia+ Kyle LMAO

  238. @Mike Tre

    So with a straight face you really believe the French did not commit assault and rape and murder and vandalism when they colonized places??? WOW

  239. German_reader says:
    @Sirius

    Syria before the war was self-sufficient in wheat production, had a steadily increasing standard of living and a growing middle class.

    Syria’s population increased from 4,5 million in 1960 to 21 million in 2011:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Syria#Population

    Contraceptives were banned (had been so since the French mandate) and the Syrian state had a pro-natalist policy, giving awards to families with ten children or more until 1987:
    https://www.jstor.org/stable/2133259?seq=1

    Basically Syrians bred too much, with entirely predictable results…too many young men who had no real prospects in life, with destabilizing consequences for the system. Wasn’t helped either by the fact that the state is dominated by the Alawite minority which was traditionally despised by the Sunni masses. A tinderbox set to explode sooner or later.
    Of course the foreign meddling was disastrous and I object to it, but it wouldn’t have been successful if there hadn’t been so many tensions within Syrian society due to the excessive population growth and the economic frustration it caused.
    All of this is of course very tragic for Syrians. But it’s even more tragic if Europeans have to pay the price for the feckless breeding of other peoples. It must be established as a moral principle that failed societies have no right to export their demographic surplus to Europe. Given the demographic expansion of sub-Saharan Africa this point is essential and non-negotiable for European survival in the 21st century.
    Anyway, it’s probably better to end this discussion here. tbh your normie takes bore me and I have better things to do than to waste time on refuting them.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  240. German_reader says:
    @German_reader

    From 2010:
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-syria-population-idUSTRE6522FS20100603

    Syria now has a population of 20 million people, with a growth rate that remains one of the world’s highest at about 2.4 percent. But it has declined since averaging 3.2 percent from 1947-94, according to the Syrian Commission for Family Affairs.

    He said labor supply was growing about 4.5 percent a year, due to rapid population expansion in earlier decades, outpacing the capacity of Syria’s economy to create jobs for the quarter of a million youngsters arriving on the job market every year.

    “Too big a population means a high burden on government services, such as education, electricity and health care,” he said. “Perhaps in 20 years the growth rate will go down to 1.5 percent as in Egypt, but in the meantime we do have a problem.”

    The official unemployment rate is around 10 percent, but independent estimates put it at anywhere up to 25 percent.

    Why should peoples who prefer large families and refuse to stop their excessive breeding be allowed to export their problems to other countries?

    • Replies: @Sirius
  241. Alden says:
    @Talha

    So because the French did horrible things 60-70 years ago every Arab and African scumbag POS has the right to invade every European country, even countries that never had Muslim colonies and rape at will all those uncovered European women out and about without a male relative as chaperone
    That’s what you’re saying. Muslims have the right to rape beat and even murder every European woman they can grab because of a war that ended decades ago.

    And Islam is the most homosexual culture including rape of little boys and boy prostitute slaves in the world. Muslims like you are ridiculous when you accuse the west of being pro homosexual. Clean your own house before telling others what to do.

    A man may have sex with any woman he finds who does not belong to another man. That’s what your prophet said. Muslim women can’t leave the house without being shrouded Ana accompanied . Because Muslim men are such nasty horny beasts a woman alone will be raped.
    Your religion is a nest of homosexuals and little boy sex slaves.

    • Replies: @Talha
  242. Talha says:
    @Alden

    That’s what you’re saying.

    Uh no. I can’t help it if you can’t comprehend the clear English terms that I used in my posts. Read through what I wrote again, slowly. If you come to the same conclusion, read through it again even slower. If you still come to the same conclusion, have someone explain it to you.

    Thanks for your various other opinions on Islam.

    Peace.

  243. Sirius says:
    @German_reader

    Why should peoples who prefer large families…be allowed to export their problems to other countries?

    I answered you already, you just can’t let it sink in. In 2010, Syria had no problem feeding its people, whatever the population growth. There was no intention to “export” its population. There was a devastating war with insurgents armed by… do we really have to go back and forth on this point?

    Do I need to point out that it was the French occupiers who banned contraception, not the Syrians? It isn’t banned now.

    Do I have to go through the prelude to the war, including the US imposed sanctions, the “Syrian Accountability Act” sponsored by the Zionist congressman Eliot Engel in 2003, long before the Syrian war started? Then the destabilization of Iraq that led to the destabilization of the whole region? And on and on.

    Finally, read your own source, the JSTOR one. It says that Syria was partitioned, losing Palestine (among other territories).

    which Syrians considered an integral part of their territory. With the territory it had considered its own diminished, Syria tried to compensate by population growth. The government believed that its remaining land could absorb a great increase in population.

    And absorb the increase it did, right up to the 2011 conflict, which still hasn’t ended. What’s not clear about that? The war wasn’t caused by population growth but by incessant Western meddling, not from yesterday, not only from a decade ago, but for the last 100 years. For Syria, WWI, or the “War to end all Peace”, never really ended.

    Now, unless you have new information or new points to make, we can let this issue rest…

    • Replies: @German_reader
  244. @KenH

    Read this very sad piece.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/turkey-race-armenian-recep-tayyip-erdogan-generlogy-family-trees-ethnicity-a8234346.html

    [MORE]

    Why has Erdogan released the genealogy of thousands of Turks?

    In 2003, the Armenian newspaper Agos, whose editor Hrant Dink was assassinated outside his office in 2007, reported that the Turkish government was secretly coding minorities in registers

    Robert Fisk
    @indyvoices
    Thursday 01 March 2018 11:54

    Only in Turkey is the identity of a citizen a matter of national security. That’s why the population registry in Ankara was until now a closed book, its details a state secret. Mustafa Kemal Ataturk’s definition of “Turkishness” was “anyone who is attached to the Turkish state as a citizen”. Turks came from a clear ethnic identity, untainted by racial minorities or doubtful lineage. That’s one reason why the Nazis lavished praise on Ataturk’s republic, their newspapers mourning his death in black-bordered front pages.

    After all, as Hitler was to ask in several newspaper interviews – and to his generals before he invaded Poland – who now remembers the Armenians? Ataturk had supposedly inherited an Armenian-free Turkey, just as Hitler intended to present his followers with a Jew-free Europe. The Armenian genocide of 1915 – denied by the Turkish government today – destroyed a million and a half Christian Ottoman citizens in the first industrial holocaust of the 20th century. Almost the entire Armenian community had been liquidated. Or had it?

    For the stunned reaction of Turks to the sudden and unexpected opening of population registers on an online genealogy database three weeks ago was so immediate and so vast that the system crashed within hours. Rather a lot of Turks, it turned out, were actually Armenians – or part-Armenians – or even partly Greek or Jewish. And across the mountains of eastern Anatolia – and around the cities of Istanbul, Izmir, Erzurum, Van and Gaziantep and along the haunted death convoy routes to Syria, ancient ghosts climbed out of century-old graves to reassert their Armenian presence in Turkish history. For the registry proved that many of them – through their families – were still alive.

    Until now, for at least two decades – at least before Sultan Erdogan’s post-coup autocracy – thousands of Turks spoke freely, albeit in private, about their ancestry. They knew that amid the mass slaughter and rape of the Armenians, many Christian families sought sanctuary in conversion to Islam, while tens of thousands of young Armenian women were given in marriage to Turkish or Kurdish Muslim men. Their children grew up as Muslims and regarded themselves as Turks but often knew that they were half-Armenian. Tens of thousands of Armenian orphans were placed in Muslim schools, forced to speak Turkish and change their names. One of the largest schools was in Beirut, organised for a time by one of Turkey’s leading feminists who wrote of her experience and was later to die in America.

    The Armenian diaspora – the 11 million Armenians living outside Turkey or Armenia itself, and who trace their ancestry back to the survivors of the 1915 genocide – were the first to understand the significance of the newly-opened population registers, noting that some information dated back to the early 1800s. Up to four million Turkish citizens were reported to have sought access to their family tree within 48 hours – which is why the system crashed – and in the days since it was re-established, according to retired statistician and Armenian demographer George Aghjayan, eight million Turks have requested their pedigrees. That’s 10 per cent of the entire Turkish population.

    The documents can be vague. And they are not complete. There are examples of known Armenian ancestors listed as Muslim without reference to their origin. The names shown for those known to have converted during the 1915 genocide are Muslim names – but the Christian names of their parents are also shown. There will always be discrepancies and unknown details. Many Ottoman registrars did not give accurate details of birthdays: Turkish officials might travel to a village once a month and simply list its newborn under the date of their visit. There are still centenarians alive in Lebanon and Syria, for example, who all possess the same birth date, whatever their origin.

    So why has Turkey released these files now? Erdogan is quoted to have once complained that Turks were “accused of being Jews, Armenians or Greeks”. Tayfun Atay, a columnist for the Turkish newspaper Cumhuriyet, wrote that he was “advised in a friendly matter not to admit that I am a Georgian…What about those who risk learning that they are of Armenian ancestry or a convert? Just think: you think you are a red-blooded Turk but turn out to be a pure-blood Armenian.”

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    Journalist Serdar Korucu told Al-Monitor that “if they had done this a few years ago when we were [becoming more tolerant], conspiracy theories would not have been as strong as today, when the state believes we are in a struggle for existence. This is how Turkey reinvigorates the spirit of the Independence War” – to inspire patriotism and pro-government thinking.

    In 2003, the Armenian newspaper Agos, whose editor Hrant Dink was assassinated outside his office in 2007, reported that the Turkish government was secretly coding minorities in registers: Greeks were one, according to the paper. Armenians were two. Jews were three. Korucu recalled how the director of the Turkish Historical Society threatened minorities in 2007. “Don’t make me angry. I have a list of converts I can reveal down to their streets and homes.” The director later became a politician in the rightist Nationalist Action Party.

    Ethnic Armenian columnist Hayko Bagdat placed this in a story he told the Al-Monitor website – including an individual family tale which might be humorous if it was not so charged with tragedy. “During the 1915 genocide, along with mass conversions, there were also thousands of children in exile…The society is not yet ready to deal with this reality.” Imagine, Bagdat said, that Lutfi Dogan, who had served as Turkey’s director of religious affairs, was the brother of someone who was the Armenian patriarch, Sinozk Kalustyan.Erdogan tells a girl in military uniform that she would be honoured if killed while fighting

    “Kalustyan, who returned to Turkey from Beirut in 1961, was remembered as a saint in the Turkish Armenian Patriarchate and as someone who had served in the most difficult times after 1915. During the genocide, his mother sent the children away and converted to Islam. Later she married [a man called] Dogan, who was of high social standing, and had two girls and a boy. The boy was Lutfi Dogan. When the mother, who was then with the Nationalist Action Party…died, his uncle came in priest garb from Beirut to attend the funeral. Nobody could say anything.”

    This predicament was eloquently conveyed in Fethiye Cetin’s memoir of her grandmother, a respected Muslim housewife in the small Turkish town of Maden, who revealed to her granddaughter that she was Armenian. Most of the men in her village were slaughtered, Seher (her real Armenian name was Heranus) said. A Turkish gendarme had adopted her. Fethiye Cetin, a human rights lawyer who acted for the soon-to-be-murdered Hrant Dink, posted her grandmother’s death announcement in Dink’s paper, Argos: “Heranus lost her entire family and never saw them again,” she wrote. “She was given a new name, to live in a new family. She forgot her mother tongue and her religion…she never ever forgot her name, her village, her mother, her father…She lived until the age of 95.” Relatives in America read the death notice and Heranus’ sister – still alive – called Cetin in Istanbul. A family reunited.

    Perhaps two million Turks have Armenian grandmothers. But they are supposed to believe that the genocide never happened.

    • Thanks: Talha, KenH
    • Replies: @Talha
  245. German_reader says:
    @Sirius

    In 2010, Syria had no problem feeding its people, whatever the population growth.

    Familiarize yourself with the term “youth bulge”. Going on about how “Syria had no problem feeding its people” (yeah, because sufficient calories to survive is all young men dream of…) is besides the point, when the Reuters story I linked to clearly states that unemployment may have been as high as 25% in 2010, with not enough jobs being created for young people…which is an issue throughout the Islamic world and Africa.
    Normie dumbfucks like you should be banned from the internet, you only drag down the discussion and make your superiors waste precious time.

    • Replies: @Sirius
  246. @VICB3

    Australia has never bothered to pressure immigrants to assimilate. There was always some politicians arguing for it but nobody ever got around to it.

    Who fully assimilates in Australia? Chinese, Indians and all Europeans. All Moslems from previous times (not enough time to see if that will continue). Black Africans but black refugees haven’t been here long. There’s a huge difference between university educated people and the average man. Very few accountants oe university professors do much mugging.

    You can always tell if a country will have trouble assimilating migrants. Do they try to make it compulsory? Migrants don’t and shouldn’t try to assimilate. It’s their children that do that. What a migrant does and feels is their business. If anything. Australia tries to encourage migrants to keep their culture. There’s no better way to get their children to rebel and become Australians. That’s not a deliberate policy but it’s a successful one. A policy created by laziness and not bothering to think much is obviously a superior policy.

    Never forget that Germany dictated a EU migration policy of favouring Syrian refugees who’d backed the losing side there. That was the Sunni Crusaders who the EU backed because the USA backed them. At least the USA had the sense not to import their own soldiers. [email protected]

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    , @sb
  247. @Donald A Thomson

    Who fully assimilates in Australia? Chinese, Indians and all Europeans.

    Sure, if you set the bar low enough for what counts as “assimilated.”

    A more reasonable standard would have people either laugh you out of the room for this idiotic statement or slap you silly for your insolence.

    What a muppet.

  248. The answer is simple. The hardening of Islamic attitudes across the globe & the spread of the Sunni Islamic Religion has everything to do with its funding by Wahhabi Islamic Saudi Arabia. The Koran that is now available in every western prison is the Wahhabi version; printed & funded by Saudi Arabia.

    This is the same in every new Masij built in both Islamic countries & in Europe, North America, Australia etc. Funded by Saudi Arabia. Thus religious moderation & social integration is discouraged at every level in Sunni Islamic society.

    Saudi Arabia & Israel make the most unlikely of bedfellows. Hardline Jewish Orthodox followers are also not known for their propensity to integrate on a social level or accept any kind of secular tolerance.

    But as the MSM likes to constantly remind us … the Great Satan is Shia Iran.

  249. @Sirius

    So let’s talk about being threatened by facts. Why is it your side has issued a blanket ban on discussion of issues of obvious national importance such as immigration and racial realism? Could be it that you’re “threatened by the facts?” Why yes it could. That is precisely the reason there is no such public on these issues on television.

    Of course, you know that very well. You know you’re just a slimy, mendacious piece of shit whose sole purpose in posting here is to derail the discussion and prevent people of discussing anything of actual interest to ourselves.

    It’s of zero importance to me why “refugees” (certainly not all Syrians, most of them completely bogus) want to go to Europe. The important thing is to fuck them off and keep them fucked off. This is an another area we could learn something from Israel. Israel is a wealthy country right next door to Syria, but it wisely realized that allowing in Syrians would be ruinous for their country, so they simply told the Syrians to fuck off and successfully ensured that Syrians were indeed fucked off. Hard not to admire that.

  250. @German_reader

    Ron, are you serious? This calm, measured response earned a “Troll” tag? Lol. Incredible. Why debate people if you can’t stand being contradicted?

    • Troll: Iris
  251. Talha says:
    @Charles Martel France

    Ah, Fisk. He will be missed. Great example of a journalist; they don’t make them like that anymore.

    I remember back in the day, I would look forward to reading his articles fresh in the morning.

    Peace.

  252. Malla says:
    @anonyms

    house-dotnigga, c

    Piece of advice, monkey. When someone calls someone “house nigga” or “uncle tom”, always know that the person being called thus, is speaking uncomfortable truths.

    support his massas again!

    Jabbering like a typical diseased monkey. When did the French rule Utter Pradesh in North India where my ancestors come from? The French had only influence in South India when they fought the English. Utter Pradesh was never part of the French Empire. Jeez, atleast get your facts right.

  253. Druid says:
    @GMC

    No, but they participated and applauded! I remember how stupid Americans behaved after inside-job 911 occurred. Everybody wanted to kick Arab arse. Led by their noses by the fakers that rule. Huge flags on cars, people dare not say anything war, etc., etc.

  254. Druid says:
    @German_reader

    The trouble with you guys is that your own f-head politicians let them in! I have discussed this with Muslims in the USA and most of them don’t agree with this mass immigration and think the European and American/Canadian governments are stupid. Actually, they’re just co-opted and sold out by the tribe, the true evil in all this. But you fall for the divide, rule, hate of these fellas and their media, money, etc.
    STUPIDS!

  255. Yahya K. says:
    @German_reader

    And since so many of them are uneducated low-IQ peasants they’re likely to remain so, we’ll have to pay them Danegeld forever so they don’t become “radicalized”

    Of course it is, many of these people are simply too stupid to ever achieve much in a modern Western society (bad genetics, depressed even further by marrying their cousins, and their stupid religion doesn’t help either).

    I get the main thrust of your argument, but saying that Syrians are “low IQ” and have “bad genetics” is imprecise and obfuscates the reality – which is that they, like every other group, follow a normal distribution in IQ. So they will have some who are ‘stupid’, most around the average, and a few who are high IQ. The same is true of Germans. Now, if you are implying that Syrians have lower IQs on average than Germans, and that this is largely genetic in basis, I would largely agree with you. But given the nature of IQ distributions, there will be a lot of overlap between Germans and Syrians in IQ, even if the averages are different.

    I think you should also be aware of the environmental factors that come into play in determining IQ, and that Syrians are in a rather extreme environmental situation as of present, and so their current tested IQ may not correspond to their true genetic potential. Their IQ could increase if they are better fed and better educated, which of course they will get over time if they stay long enough in Germany. I am not sure exactly what Syrian genotypic IQ is (nobody does), but my guess would be somewhere in the 90-95 range. That’s not German level, but its not Sub-Saharan, North African or even Latin American levels, so its not all that bad. Certainly you would much rather have a Syrian as your neighbor than many other groups. Furthermore,

    I think Germany’s current crop of immigrants can be worked with, if the right cultural values were imbued. How one goes about doing that is difficult – I would look at how the Romans did it, since they were very successful at getting genetically heterogonous people from around the Empire to assimilate into their culture, including Syrians btw. But shutting off the door first to more immigrants is definitely the right step for Germany.

    But it’s even more tragic if Europeans have to pay the price for the feckless breeding of other peoples. It must be established as a moral principle that failed societies have no right to export their demographic surplus to Europe.

    I would agree with that. Certainly Europeans aren’t obligated to take on other people’s problems.

    • Agree: Talha
  256. Sirius says:
    @German_reader

    “Superior”? You? You lost the argument, and continue and continue, rehashing the same crap. I didn’t just say “sufficient calories”, that’s your moronic, self-serving interpretation, to justify to yourself your völkisch beliefs.

    Again, Syria was a middle income country, and the economy was growing nicely. It didn’t even suffer the crash of 2008. No one was emigrating (fleeing is a more accurate term) on a mass scale before 2012.

    As the protests rose, what did your political superiors do but throw fire on the flames? They armed the extremists, most of whom likely weren’t even Syrian, especially the ISIS criminals! No…we can’t have that, we have to blame the Syrians for having too many children.

    Maybe we should also blame the Libyans for allowing themselves to get bombed by NATO, which destroyed their water carrier infrastructure. They have too many kids, they deserve it, no? Or the Iraqis for letting the US bombard all their water treatment plants, causing a cholera outbreak. I could go on and on.

    There we go…with your vulgarity you prove your inferior mind. Ban yourself. It’s your vulgarity that “drags down the discussion” although nothing like that idiot comrade of yours silviosilver.

    And by the way, you’re too stupid–and too extreme–to realize that my views are not exactly “mainstream”.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @German_reader
  257. Malla says:
    @anonyms

    The accursed psychopathic western evilisation is generally called the “Christian civilisation.” Its spirituality wobbles on a belief system of pagan polytheist mangods-worship
    ………..
    The very least True Monotheists have on offer

    Jay Dyer easily and smoothly, decimated Dr. Shabir Ally’s points and accusations in this debate on the subject of Trinity and proved Trinity is One God. Dr. Ally looked defeated towards the end.

    Dr Shabir Ally / Jay Dyer Debate: Is Jesus God Incarnate? Answers in Scripture, History & Logic

    Maybe you could try a debate with Jay Dyer for us all to see. LOL. Mr. Dyer is a Orthodox Christian BTW.

    • Replies: @Anon
  258. Avery says:
    @Sirius

    You make several good points.

    And you are quite right: GloboSorosa Imperialism (US,UK, Israel, KSA,…..) was and is responsible for the destruction of ancient Christian – including Armenian – communities of Middle East, particularly Iraq and now Syria.

    {“Western (“Christian”, but not really) policy has been far worse to Christians in these countries than the local policy. “}

    Agree: and you are right to put “Christian” in quotes. There is nothing left of Christianity in SorosaGloboVirus* infected West. The only Christian power left on the global stage is Russia. Which was largely responsible for saving Syria – and its Christians – from a complete wipeout at the hands if ISIS cannibals.

    {“True, but nor can the Christian angle. Each example would have be examined on its own, as massacres or expulsions of Muslims also took place in the Balkans, the Caucasus.”}

    I cannot say much about Spain being, quote, under more enlightened Muslim rule (debatable), but regarding Muslims (actually Turks) being massacred and expelled from Balkans: how did Turks from East and Central Asia end up in the Balkans? They invaded, massacred, ethnically cleansed, forcibly Islamized and subjugated the indigenous populations of the Balkans. And when the indigenous peoples of the Balkans had the opportunity, they expelled the invaders who had been tormenting them for centuries. Same with Caucasus. And the centuries old Turk policy of exterminating Christian Armenians from what remains of their historic homeland continues today.

    _______________
    * SorosaVirus is the current virulent virus, but it started long before Soros came on the scene.

    • Replies: @Sirius
  259. Malla says:
    @Sirius

    I never meant to imply that the Armenian experience was always a happy one, which is why I employed the phrase “such a catastrophic policy”. The scale of 1915 was awful and evidently meant to eliminate the Armenian population from what became the Turkish Republic.

    There are claims that some Donmeh crypto Jews were guiding things in that genocide and that they had infiltrated the Young Turks movement. Who knows if it is true.

    • Replies: @Sirius
  260. Malla says:
    @Commentator Mike

    It was those damned Soviets, Brits and Frenchies who wouldn’t go along and stabbed the Greeks in the back.

    Maybe they wanted Ataturk to win and look like a hero, if Ataturk was “their guy”. Maybe Ataturk could make sure that no Caliphate ever came again especially when Israel was needed. Maybe the Gallipoli debacle was done purposefully to help him. There are theories he was a Freemason like Churchill but I have not investigated this.

    Also Czarist Orthodox Russia was close to retake Istanbul/ Constantinople and then the Russian “Revolution” happened and the Russian army stopped in its tracks.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Seraphim
    , @Sirius
  261. AaronB says:
    @Sirius

    The problem is, you have a ready made excuse for immigration here.

    You blame every negative development in the Muslim world on America or the Jews. This is a general tendency in the Arab world – to not take responsibility, to retreat into narcissistic self-protection mode.

    One could argue that this is one of the main reasons your societies are dysfunctional, but enough to note that this is a feature of Arab/Muslim psychology at the present time. Its every single one of you guys- AnonStarter upthread blames Nassers reckless provocations of Israel on Israel’s devious ability to provoke others into provoking it lol 🙂 This is God-tier evasion.

    So, whatever way the Arab world is tearing itself apart, you’ll just blame outsiders and claim the West has a responsibility to take in refugees because its responsible for what is your own internal dysfunction. The West will always, somehow, be responsible for your internal dysfunction.

    And since the ME is an oil producing region, the West will always have to be involved in the region at least somewhat, so you’ll have your excuse. Of course, if you weren’t dysfunctional to begin with, the West would be able to interfere much less in the region.

    This is a general tactic in the Arab world – to create cover stories that advance your agenda regardless of the outcome . Arab fighters store weapons and shoot missiles from civilian areas, then try and get international courts to convict American or Israeli forces for targeting threats deliberately placed among civilians. Heads you lose tails I win.

    I understand that these kinds of subterfuges are the weapons of the weak, and I dont begrudge you them – although its easy to see through them.

    But you are transparently trying to advance an anti-European, pro-Arab agenda on this thread and defend/promote Arab immigration into Europe, while assuming some kind of lofty moral guise. But if you had good motives, your efforts would be focused on fixing your own dysfunctional societies.

    As a principle, any Arab/Muslim whose main focus is outsiders rather than fixing his own dysfunctional societies is merely advancing the aggressive Arab/Muslim agenda. The way you can tell an Arab/Muslim with truly good/non-aggressive motives is by the fact that he is focusing mainly on fixing his own society and isn’t obsessed with outsiders.

    I dont get moralistic about these things and don’t blame you for aggressively atrying to advance the Arab/Muslim agenda under the guise of some lofty morality – its human nature, and Arab imperialism is not dead. But you shouldn’t be surprised your tactics are transparent to others.

    • Replies: @Sirius
    , @AnonStarter
  262. Talha says:
    @Malla

    Maybe they wanted Ataturk to win

    Maybe they were honestly exhausted and tired of fighting a world war (having lost hundreds of thousands of their own men) on multiple fronts and wanted the Greeks to sacrifice their own blood for any grand schemes to conquer Anatolia.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Malla
  263. Sirius says:
    @AaronB

    You’re making a lot of assumptions. I’m actually pro-European. I’m anti-racist. I’m a Westerner myself, for whatever that’s worth.

    I’m not promoting immigration either. I’ve said it several times. I would love it if the Syrian refugees could go back home.

    But it’s kind of gone full circle, hasn’t it? The European Jews for whatever reason leave Europe for Natural Syria, and the Syrians/Palestinians leave Syria for Europe. I would like nothing better than for everyone to return to their point of origin.

    What I am promoting is the opposition to Zionism, a racist ideology of which I believe you to be a follower of, having seen your posts before.

    I also believe one of the main tactics of Zionism is to promote “Muslim”-“Christian/Western” conflict, and my main aim here is to oppose that ideology. It’s hurting the US very badly in particular, but also Europe. I’m quite transparent about my opposition.

  264. Sirius says:
    @Malla

    There are claims that even Mustafa Kemal (“Ataturk”) was one of them as well. In particular when I was in the Balkan countries I heard such things. The Donmeh were supposed to have come from Thessaloniki. But who knows? I haven’t seen any evidence, and by definition “crypto” means it’s secretive, so we may never know.

  265. German_reader says:
    @Yahya K.

    I’d actually suppose that average IQ is different for different groups of Syrians, there are certainly very intelligent Syrians (urban elites, also various minority communities), I don’t doubt that. However there’s also the sort of country bumpkins who marry their cousins, have large families and are ultra-pious, and whose increase was a significant cause of the Syrian civil war imo. I’m convinced that these people will eventually be a problem in Germany. They should have been relocated to some conservative Islamic country (and as I wrote in a previous comment, I would be fine with generous financial aid from European countries for that; obviously foreign meddling in Syria’s affairs should also be ended).

    How one goes about doing that is difficult – I would look at how the Romans did it

    Rome eventually became an autocratic empire, its multitude of peoples was held together not only by cultural assimilation, but also by iron-fisted oppression and the threat of extreme violence. It’s not a viable model for a modern nation state and democracy.

    • Replies: @Yahya K.
  266. German_reader says:
    @Sirius

    to justify to yourself your völkisch beliefs.

    Again, you’re on an identitarian blog, and you come up with nothing better than this stupid normie antiracist nonsense. You must be an imbecile if you think I or anyone else from the intended audience of this blog will be shamed by the Nazi card.
    I also stated several times that foreign meddling in Syria has been disastrous and should be ended. It certainly played an important role in the escalation and prolongation of the civil war. However, to pretend that everything in Syria would have been fine without destabilization by foreign powers also isn’t true. There obviously was huge discontent with Syria’s system in 2011, not surprisingly so, since it’s a corrupt dictatorship with disproportionate minority influence which just couldn’t satisfy the economic expectations of its young population.
    And given demographic realities in the Islamic world and in Africa there will be many similar cases. What if Algeria blows up and hundreds of thousands of Algerians will try to move to France? Will you also try to justify that because of colonialism or France’s often dodgy role in its former colonies? Will you argue that Europe needs to accept millions of Africans? The immigration issue is hardly limited to Syrians after all.

    And by the way, you’re too stupid–and too extreme–to realize that my views are not exactly “mainstream”.

    Your views are totally mainstream, tedious normie nonsense…”They’re only coming because we have been meddling in their countries/have sold them weapons/because of unfair trade practices/because we have ruined their countries in the colonial era/because of climate change”…ad nauseam. People like you will do anything to avoid the conclusion that Europeans will have to harden their hearts against other peoples’ misfortunes if European nations are to have a future.

  267. songbird says:
    @Sirius

    I’m anti-racist…I’m not promoting immigration either.

    Impossible. You cannot be an anti-racist without promoting immigration. You are against mass immigration? What party do you vote for – what is its platform about immigration?

    Anti-racism is an ideology designed to undermine and destroy ethnocentrism, which is the only workable defense against open borders. You are promoting open borders, by trying to undermine ethnocentrism, whether you are conscious of it or not.

    You call AfD zionists, but people like you are the reason that they are – they are forced to be pro-Jewish because German ethnocentrism has been systematically undermined, for decades by people like you, and it is impossible for any party there to have a truly pro-German platform. AfD is a blank-slatist party: they believe in assimilation, and only object to the pace of immigration. Of course, this is an utterly ridiculous position – America tells us that assimilation is impossible, between groups with high genetic distance.

    Anyway, it was people like you who created AfD, and made the other German pols cuck so intensely that they were the only option for people who wanted to end the invasion. You denounce them, and yet you are the core reason for their existence!

    • Agree: German_reader
    • Replies: @Malla
    , @German_reader
    , @Sirius
  268. Anon[227] • Disclaimer says:

    “Where the French engaging in perpetual acts of rioting, vandalism, assaults, rapes, and murder? ”
    The answer is Yes. For 132 years, they did just that and much more.
    On the other hand, if you still believe that “the French brought with them advances in tech, medicine, agriculture and art, then we can say you have drunk the colonial discourse to the last drop. Whatever the french have positively achieved in Algeria (Schools, hospitals, etc.) was off-limits for algerians.
    In 1962 (the year the french were kicked out), the literacy rate among algerian population was a ridiculous 7%, life expectancy: 32 years (So much for the medicine and education they brought)
    In comparison, today in Algeria the literacy rate is 94% and life expantcy 77.5 years.

  269. Sirius says:

    “Your views are totally mainstream”

    So anti-Zionist views are mainstream? That’s news to me.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  270. Malla says:
    @Talha

    Could be. I do not know much about the supposedly Greek plans.
    I was told by some Turkish friends that Ataturk was an independence leader. I was like, who the hell did Turkey get independence from? Turkey was itself an Imperial power. Later I came to know that after the defeat of WW1 , Turkey was to be divided in spheres of influence in between victorious powers. Ataturk had fought and prevented this and that is why he became so popular.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Talha
  271. Malla says:
    @songbird

    You call AfD zionists, but people like you are the reason that they are – they are forced to be pro-Jewish

    Europe needs parties which oppose or even reverts foreign immigration but also has nothing to do with Zionism and removes all Zionist influences in European life. As well having an inward looking foreign policy where maybe except trade, environment, habitat conservation etc… leaves the non European World alone in human affairs. White Man’s burden mindset (even if well meaning at times by commoners) & Zionism + Oil Corporations and unnecessary interference in middle Eastern affairs are gelled with the massive immigration. The forces behind all of them are the same, they are all well connected.
    Pro-Zionist Nationalist parties will never give long term solutions to Europe, maybe some advancement but not enough. They will be parties of Donald Trumps. A little short term benefit but no long term benefit.
    Remember, Israel threatens Europe with nukes via its Samson Option, no European Nationalist who loves his or her fatherland/motherland, should be friendly to such a nation.

  272. Sirius says:
    @Avery

    I can’t speak with much authority to the Balkan experience, but I do know that massacres or expulsions were not necessarily of Turks, but rather of Bosnians, other Slavic Muslims, Albanians, etc.

    That the Turks were originally from Central Asia is true. I don’t actually know if they were Muslims yet when they first arrived to Asia Minor (what became Turkey), not being familiar with when they converted to Islam and if they did so en masse, or it was gradual as happened in Syria and Egypt.

    The Mongols started the migrations from Central Asia, playing a major part in destroying the Arab caliphate, the last Abbasid Arab caliph being deposed in 1258. After that, I don’t know what relationships the Mongols and Turks had, whether they mixed or are of similar heritage, whether Uzbeks and Kazakhs are ethnic Turks or Mongols, etc. It’s a big gap of history that I only have superficial familiarity with.

    Then came the Seljuks succeeded by the Ottomans, who created a large empire.

    What I do know is that many “Turks” today are not necessarily ethnic Turks. Erdogan himself says he’s Georgian. This is what happens when a religion-based sultanate/caliphate (Ottomans) becomes an ethnic-based nation state.

    What happened to the Armenians was very, very tragic and criminal, and it took place in that transition to a nationalist state. That Robert Fisk article mentioned here earlier was very instructive.

    It’s all very complicated. So you’re right about a major migration.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  273. Talha says:
    @Yahya K.

    Some of the stats and data is pretty shameful; for instance the predatory ethnic crime-gang angle as well as massive reliance on welfare handouts.

    However, some of the data is quite positive; Islam seems to present a surprisingly effective resistance factor to post-modern values even as a overwhelmed minority in a foreign landscape. And fairly quickly; within one or two generations. Even if Muslims were kicked out of France, that would only serve to further inoculate them. One must always see the positive in the situation – as long as the means of approaching Allah are facilitated, it is always good.*

    There is also a video that is of relevance that you might like (below the ‘more’ tag). A brother I had the pleasure of meeting a few years ago, who wrote a book about Islam and evolutionary fitness was interviewed by the Mad Mamluks. The issue of mass immigration comes up in the discussion and the destabilizing effects it can have.

    Wa salaam.

    [MORE]

    *As the hadith says:
    “Wondrous is the affair of the believer for there is good for him in every matter and this is not the case with anyone except the believer. If good befalls him then he is grateful and thus there is good for him, and if harm befalls him, then he shows patience and thus there is good for him.” – reported in Muslim

    The Mad Mamluks podcast:

    Which is actually a follow up to an earlier discussion they had with Edward Dutton:

    The book, if you are interested:

    • Thanks: Yahya K.
    • Replies: @Yahya K.
  274. German_reader says:
    @Sirius

    So anti-Zionist views are mainstream?

    Do you actually have anything on your brain apart from Zionism? I notice you didn’t answer my question whether you’d be in favour of a hard NO against mass immigration from Algeria or various Sub-Saharan African countries. Syria wasn’t the focus of Durocher’s article, it’s about the wider issues of mass immigration and Islam in Europe. And given the general gist of your comments, it seems pretty obvious that you will always find some reason to argue against hard immigration restriction (because “they’re just people like you and me, fleeing carnage and misery in their own countries, for which we are to blame anyway”).

    • Replies: @Sirius
  275. German_reader says:
    @songbird

    Very perceptive comment, I agree completely. And could be applied not just to Germany, but also many other Western countries imo.

    • Thanks: songbird
  276. AaronB says:
    @Sirius

    Well, you say you are not pro immigration, but the total effect of your posts is to reconcile Europeans to the presence of large numbers of Arab refugees.

    It is not uncommon for an effective strategy to deny what it really seeks to advance. One must look past words to the effect of a particular position. That is generally the real intent.

    You say you are anti-racist, but in the European context this means reconciling Europeans to Arab immigrants, while in the ME context this means the opposite – the expulsion of European Jews from the region.

    Even though you say ultimately you wish for Arabs to also leave Europe, the proximate, immediate result of your position would be 1) reconciling Europeans to large numbers of Arab immigrants. Or at least, removing a powerful source of emotional objection to Arab immigrants by making them seem socially benign or even beneficial 2) redirecting European anger from Arab immigrants and onto Zionists and their own leaders 3) he expulsion of European Jews from the ME

    So remarkably, your anti immigration and anti racist stance is applied in such a way that it consiat3ntly advances the cause of your co-ethnics in every field.

    Aren’t you a Christian Lebanese, BTW?

    As for being a Zionist, certainly I am. I believe, as a minimum principle that all men of good will should believe, that the Jewish community in Palestine had the right to autonomy when the Ottoman empire broke up.

    The notion that uniquely, Jews have no right to autonomy seems not something men of good will can subscribe to. Now, I can respect, and entertain, the opinion that in everything that came after independence, Israel behaved badly in many ways or is not entitled to the land she currently sits on. That is something one can debate at least.

    But Zionism, at the very least, is just plain common sense and morality.

    As for Zionism being racism, no. There is obviously an element of blood descent, but much watered down. One, only the mother must be Jewish. Two, converts are accepted. Three, Jews come from every race. The main divide in Israel is between Europeans and brown Jews- very multiethnic.

    While hardly on European levels of disregard for blood descent, Zionism has a fairly watered down and weak commitment to blood descent based on world standards. Japan is ten times worse, for instance.

    • Replies: @Sirius
    , @I'm Tyrone
  277. Talha says:
    @Malla

    Since this is fairly off topic…

    Peace.

    [MORE]

    The occupation of what was left of Anatolia at the end of WW1 was really short lived and was basically fought a year or so after WW1. And it included everything from Turks to Kurdish recruits to even Muslims from India setting up field hospitals – and of course they were fighting everyone from Greeks to Brits to French on various fronts. So I don’t know if it should be called an independence war as much as a continuation of WW1. There was nothing close to, say, the establishment and longevity of the Brits in India or the Portuguese in Macau or the like.

    And like I said, the French and Brits and Russians were pretty tired at the time from their various military engagements and it was obvious from Gallipoli that the Turks weren’t going to be knocked over easily in the Anatolian heartland. What was the payoff for them to do a bunch of fighting and dying to hand it over to the Greeks who likely couldn’t hold it on their own? Makes no sense to me.

    The only motivation I could see is some sort of Crusade-type idea to reconquer that territory, but – as men like Nietzche and Belloc were pointing out – Europe was already well along the path to post-Christianity…to which WW2 served as the likely nail on the coffin.

    • Agree: Malla
  278. @AaronB

    AnonStarter upthread blames Nassers …

    We realize it’s asking too much for you to be honest, but as long as you’re following my posts, you might want to get your threads straight:

    https://www.unz.com/ldinh/good-morning-albania/#comment-4461306

    Lol

    • Thanks: AaronB
    • Replies: @Talha
  279. Talha says:
    @AnonStarter

    We realize it’s asking too much for you to be honest

    It’s been a while since he was put on my ignore list, but I was reminded of something around that timeframe that he said in an exchange with “Colin Wright”. I was reminded by Sirius’ statement:

    I also believe one of the main tactics of Zionism is to promote “Muslim”-“Christian/Western” conflict, and my main aim here is to oppose that ideology.

    Specifically this zinger:
    “By shrinking its borders and rolling back its imperialism, the Muslim world will be demonstrating an appropriate humility and willingness to peacefully coexist with others.
    So this must be our new goal – the general rolling back of Muslim borders and the shrinking of the Muslim world to its natural place in Arabia.
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-109/#comment-4028571

    Interesting right? “Our new goal”? Who exactly is this “we” business? Certainly Israel and Jewish people aren’t going to sacrifice millions and millions of young men to push back Islamic-majority territory from Senegal to Malaysia all the way into tiny old Arabia. So who is going to be doing the fighting and dying for this unprecedented, grand hyper-Neocon Zionist project?

    Wa salaam.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  280. Yahya K. says:
    @German_reader

    However there’s also the sort of country bumpkins who marry their cousins, have large families and are ultra-pious, and whose increase was a significant cause of the Syrian civil war imo. I’m convinced that these people will eventually be a problem in Germany.

    Re, cousin marriage: It’s been going down in the Islamic world over the past few decades. I couldn’t get my hands on Syrian numbers, but in Egypt (my country), you can clearly see it declining everywhere over time:

    Note also that Islam does not require cousin marriage. Its practiced mainly as a local custom. Some Islamic countries have a strong tradition of cousin marriages (Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Sudan), and others have it to a lesser extent (Egypt, Syria, Turkey). But you do have Islamic countries like Bangladesh were cousin marriage has traditionally been very low. And of course there are regional differences within these countries.

    You could also just pass a law tomorrow in Germany that says you’re not allowed to marry your cousin, like they did in Taiwan, North and South Korea, the Philippines, China, and 24 out of the 50 US sates. I think that would breed little resistance among the immigrant community, as again, nothing in Islam ordains cousin marriage. And I think over time, as the Syrians settle, they’ll eventually be influenced by German environment around them and drop that particular custom on their own. Same thing happened to Pakistanis living in Norway.

    It’s not a viable model for a modern nation state and democracy.

    I am not sure if democracy is going to be viable for the West as time goes on. Already in places like the US, the democratic system is completely dysfunctional and incapable of solving any problems.

    I think the West will have to revert back to the autocratic model if it wants to stay functional, something along the lines of what Orban is doing in Hungary. And it may not be all that bad – the autocratic model has its advantages over the democratic model. Namely that its much easier for a leader to make tough but necessary decisions, such as securing the borders or cutting back on excess spending. I think if you can get yourself a Tito or a Lee Kuan Yew, you can make a multiethnic society work well for Germany.

  281. Sirius says:
    @German_reader

    Can’t you just answer the question? It’s pretty simple. How can being anti-Zionist be mainstream?

    It’s not all I have on my mind, but it’s the most straightforward evidence that I’m not mainstream at all. I wish it were a mainstream position. Maybe one day, when their crimes and lies are exposed more fully than on an alternative website.

    All those other questions you posed are not so simple, and I repeated several times that I don’t favor mass immigration. I don’t even favor mass tourism! (the huge tour group kind that overtakes public spaces). Before you start denouncing that last statement as irrelevant or inane, note that it is tongue-in-cheek!

    • Replies: @German_reader
  282. anonymous[393] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonyms

    For those blessed, Muslims in their midst will prove to be a godsend.

    An example of what I mean.

    When this blessed person realises he has rid himself the curse of pagan polytheist mangods-worship and/or godlessness, and has been blessed with True Monotheism and eternal salvation, his tears gush out.

    Most of you, perhaps all of you, will never experience this.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  283. Anonymous[671] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sirius

    “… I’m a westerner myself ….”.

    Flat out don’t believe you.
    Unless ‘westerner’ means, in this instance, an Arab, Pakistani etc who happens to live in Europe.

    You see the deceit and subterfuge here – even in the most basic innocuous pat phrases.

    • Troll: Sirius
    • Replies: @Sirius
  284. Anonymous[671] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sirius

    Native, ethnic indigenous Europeans are the Palestinians.

    The third world settler populations in Europe are the Zionists.

  285. Sirius says:
    @songbird

    Anyway, it was people like you who created AfD, and made the other German pols cuck so intensely that they were the only option for people who wanted to end the invasion. You denounce them, and yet you are the core reason for their existence!

    I am? Wow, I’m going to have to think about that one. I’m living a contradiction?

    But I have to say, aside from your interesting comments, I’ve seen some of these guys, including their leaders. They’re not the sharpest tools in the German shed.

    By the way, I wouldn’t consider pro-Zionist to be pro-Jewish. In fact pro-Zionist is often anti-Jewish, as it historically complemented the Zionist goal of getting the Jews out of Europe and into Palestine. And according to Rabbi Dovid Weiss (in the link) Zionism undermines the religion of Judaism itself.

    http://www.twf.org/News/Y2002/0401-NetureiKarta.html

  286. @Sirius

    Some recommended reading on the Armenian debacle from a retired U.S. Army officer and professor of military history at Marine Corps University:

    1. The Armenian Relocations and Ottoman National Security: Military Necessity or Excuse for Genocide?
    2. The Armenians and Ottoman Military Policy, 1915

    Dr. Erickson provides valuable historical context that’s usually missing from discussion of this topic. Worth a closer look.

    Also recommended is the work of Dr. Justin A. McCarthy, professor of history at Louisville University, specializing in Ottoman history:

    http://homepages.cae.wisc.edu/~dwilson/Armenia/justin.html

    • Replies: @Sirius
  287. Sirius says:
    @Anonymous

    That’s pretty rich coming from an anonymous commenter with no history of comments or anything else.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Anonymous
  288. Talha says:
    @Sirius

    Ah yes, the drive by anonymous insult…

    Peace.

  289. @Sirius


    By the way, I wouldn’t consider pro-Zionist to be pro-Jewish. In fact pro-Zionist is often anti-Jewish,

    In the case of AfD their pro-Zionism is pro-Jewish. Why ? The answer is very simple.

    When an extreme right party starts in Europe it faces two problems ( accusations ) : anti-Semitism and racism.

    So, the extreme right parties portray themselves as pro-Zionist ( pro-Jewish ) to get rid of the first problem. Once the first problem is removed then it becomes easy to deal with the second one.

    You can not be an anti-Semite and expect to survive ( to function reasonably ) in a parliamentary democracy in Europe specially Germany. It is impossible.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Sirius
  290. @Talha

    Here’s the exchange that followed that comment:

    Colin: “As a recipe for genocide and human misery on a scale never before seen in mankind’s history, this takes the cake.”
    Aaron: “A rather wild eyed, extreme overreaction. No one is talking about genocide here.”
    Colin: “So you’re not going to kill them or just drive them all into the desert. You’re going to convert them, then. And how exactly were you planning to wean off Islam two billion people spread from Morocco to the southern Philippines? What if they don’t want to be weaned?”
    Aaron: crickets.wav

    In other words, the war to “roll back” Islam comprises an endeavor to remove faith from the hearts of Muslims every place on earth other than Saudi Arabia. This could occur much as M. Kemal’s “revolutions” or, in a freer society, by means of promulgating conviction, perspective, and conduct deviant from the Islamic norm — a war that’s been in full swing for a long time now, organs of mass media being the primary conduit by which it’s waged.

    And, of course, we can’t forget the effort to make false attributions to Islam, an effort intended to shame Muslims simply for being who they are.

    The primary offense has never been material. It’s always been aimed at the heart.

    was-salaam.

    • Replies: @Talha
  291. Talha says:
    @Charles Martel France

    So, the extreme right parties portray themselves as pro-Zionist ( pro-Jewish ) to get rid of the first problem. Once the first problem is removed then it becomes easy to deal with the second one.

    That sounds about right. Customary photo-ops are generally required for publicity and validation:

    It is impossible.

    Quite so; the phrase “by the balls” comes to mind.

    Peace.

  292. German_reader says:
    @Sirius

    How can being anti-Zionist be mainstream?

    The kind of antiracist anti-Zionism you espouse may not be exactly mainstream (I’m well aware that there is strong pro-Zionist sentiment at least in the US), but it’s hardly uncommon in the Western world and has a certain respectability (unlike the antisemitic WN antizionism of certain authors on Unz review). It’s hardly an “alternative” position like pro-European identitarianism and opposition to mass immigration for which one can easily get into real trouble in many Western countries.

    All those other questions you posed are not so simple, and I repeated several times that I don’t favor mass immigration.

    Lol. You don’t “favour” mass immigration, but when it comes to the question of stopping it, it all becomes horribly complex, there are no simple solutions, think of our values etc. Pure obfuscation.

    • Replies: @Sirius
  293. German_reader says:
    @Yahya K.

    Its practiced mainly as a local custom. Some Islamic countries have a strong tradition of cousin marriages

    Karlin had a post about cousin marriage in Syria a few years ago. The rates aren’t uniform, but seem to have been rather high in some rural areas (50%-66%):
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/banging-cousins-to-islamic-state/

    I think if you can get yourself a Tito or a Lee Kuan Yew, you can make a multiethnic society work well for Germany.

    The obvious question is: Why? What conceivable benefit could this bring to the native population? Ok, ethnic and religious diversity already exists, I can see the argument that to some extent it needs to be accommodated, since alternative solutions like violent mass expulsions are unpalatable. At the very least though one should expect that the existing problems aren’t continually being made worse by ever more immigration.

    • Agree: Talha
  294. Talha says:
    @AnonStarter

    In other words, the war to “roll back” Islam comprises an endeavor to remove faith from the hearts of Muslims every place on earth other than Saudi Arabia.

    They can certainly try. It hasn’t been going so well thus far. Islam seems to be holding its own:

    Who is going to pay for this propaganda? Are the Zionists going to do it? Will the Muslim world listen to them? Likely someone else will have to do this work for them.

    Wa salaam.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  295. Talha says:
    @Yahya K.

    Tito or a Lee Kuan Yew

    What I find interesting is just how many leaders in European countries don’t have their own kids; Merkel, Macron, the Swedish PM…it seems these types of leaders are creating a world someone else’s kids will inherit.

    Wa salaam.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  296. songbird says:
    @Sirius

    I’ve seen some of these guys, including their leaders. They’re not the sharpest tools in the German shed.

    Do you even speak German? If not, it is strange that you feel qualified to rank the intelligence of their parties, and put AfD at the bottom of the heap. Or are you judging from appearance? Why, then that would be a prejudice! Perhaps, even an ethnic prejudice, as they are less “enriched” than other parties.

    Let me say that, though I don’t follow German politics very closely, I am not impressed with Merkel. But, then again, I don’t think it is weird to have an opinion about her capabilities, as she is very prominent and has headed the German government for quite some time. And I think it would even be reasonable to have an opinion about the Greens, even though they are a smaller party, because they have many international chapters. Their policies are widely promoted, with the novelty dwarf-face of Greta Thunberg (albeit a non-German), and they have caused significant changes, in the fields of energy and industry. (BTW, I’m not sure it makes sense for a cold, Northern country like Germany to totally give up nuclear power…I’m not sure it is “smart”)

    But what would really be weird is for a foreigner to have a strong opinion about a party like FDP. They have nearly the same number of seats as AfD, don’t they? And I believe they are pro-zionist too? But you didn’t mention them… maybe, because they are for open borders? Or maybe you are taking up the drumbeat of the media, and attacking the same targets? And perhaps for the same reasons? And you know what? “Western” media doesn’t seem to be especially anti-Jewish, so that would leave open borders as your probable commonality.

    • Replies: @Sirius
    , @German_reader
  297. Sirius says:
    @Charles Martel France

    Maybe it’s a maneuver, but why not just show directly what they believe in?

    Let’s take PEGIDA (Patriotic Europeans Against the Islamization of the West), an ally of the AfD.
    What do they have in common with Zionists? Anti-Islam. Zionists are anti-Christianity too, but we’ll leave that for another day.

    So if you’re a committed anti-Islam racist, you have a natural ally in Zionism (almost, because the Zionists probably hate you as well. But hey, you can make a tactical alliance, like Hitler did with Stalin).

    Much simpler, isn’t it?

    • Replies: @Charles Martel France
  298. German_reader says:
    @Talha

    What I find interesting is just how many leaders in European countries don’t have their own kids; Merkel, Macron, the Swedish PM

    Despite my general distaste for your religious views I unfortunately have to agree with this. It’s also striking how many homosexuals there are in politics in many Western countries nowadays. Unless they have some special merit, both the childless and homosexuals should probably be banned from holding top political offices, because they can’t be trusted to think as long-term as people with children, and are probably also more prone to egotism and other personality defects.

  299. Sirius says:
    @songbird

    “Do you even speak German?”

    Actually, yes.

    From appearance (not really) I would go with Lutz Bachmann as a good example: convicted for 16 burglaries, cocaine dealing and assault and once an immigrant himself, fugitive actually, to South Africa. Founder of PEGIDA–Patriotic Europeans Against the Islamization of the West, (evidently burglarization in the West is acceptable).

    An image surfaced of him with a Hitler mustache (the appearance part). Smart move.

    But you say, what does that have to do with the AfD?

    https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-germany-afd-idUKKCN1G61YN

    “Germany’s far-right AfD set to embrace anti-Islam PEGIDA”

    • Replies: @songbird
  300. German_reader says:
    @songbird

    I am not impressed with Merkel.

    Merkel is pretty grotesque tbh, nothing but platitudes and Kindergarten-like gibberish from her. Great talent for unprincipled opportunism and catering to the delusions of the West German bourgeoisie though. But if the media hadn’t always treated her with kid gloves, she would have been toast long ago, given her record of massive failure in at least four major crises (Euro crisis, Energiewende, refugee crisis, and now the vaccine debacle).
    Unfortunately “Sirius” isn’t completely wrong about AfD however, many of their politicians are pretty daft. But one has to remember that the system in Germany is rigged, anybody who gets active in AfD will have to reckon with attacks by Antifa thugs (having your car torched or your property vandalized…or having your nose broken, it’s not just violence against things), social ostracism and intense demonization by the entire establishment, which now has ordered Germany’s internal security service for the protection of the constitution to observe AfD and acquire informers in the party. It’s not surprising that given those conditions many of the people active in AfD are marginal types, because more respectable people can’t stand the pressure.

    • Replies: @songbird
  301. Yahya K. says:
    @Talha

    I watched some of the interview with Edward Dutton. I’m not too convinced by the argument that inbreeding fosters ethnocentrism among a population. It may a bit, but I think the environment plays a large role as well. For example, Europeans used to be relatively ethnocentric up until a few decades ago, then the universalist bug bit them and they lost all forms of asabiyah. It seems that that phenomenon was largely caused by the spread of cultural memes, rather than any genetic change. Ibn Khaldun noticed a long time ago that some tribes lost their asabiyah as they took over a city and assimilated into it. Again, nothing to do with genetic changes, just a change in the environment.

    Looking around the world, it seems that most people have a healthy level of ethnocentrism, except for Westerners. That could be due to different breeding patterns, but I think we shouldn’t underestimate the role of ideas. We will have to wait until the field of genetics can identify specific genomes that cause tribal feelings to discern the relative impact of genes vs the environment. But until then, I remain cautious.

    • Replies: @Talha
  302. Talha says:
    @Yahya K.

    And I think we have to be honest; taking in refugees probably has some benefits, but there is likely more sacrifice involved than benefit.

    When the Ansar took in the Muhajireen from Makkah, it was a burden on them and their sacrifice was recognized:
    “But those who before them, had homes (in Medina) and had adopted the Faith,- show their affection to such as came to them for refuge, and entertain no desire in their hearts for things given to the (latter), but give them preference over themselves, even though poverty was their (own lot). And those saved from the covetousness of their own souls,- they are the ones that achieve prosperity.” (59:9)

    The Ansar earned their high station through their sacrifice and the Prophet (pbuh) preferred to stay on with them rather than go back to Maakh after it was conquered, telling them; if mankind would take one path through a valley or mountain and the Ansar took another, he would take the path of the Ansar.

    But these are things we should expect from one another as spiritual brothers (with our sacrifices ultimately rewarded by Allah swt), not others.

    Wa salaam.

  303. Sirius says:
    @German_reader

    It’s not obfuscation. I’m just admitting that I don’t really know. There are humanitarian considerations, and yes, I believe in those. You can call that “mainstream” if you wish. Nothing wrong with that in my view.

    As for the anti-Zionism bit, there is a strong Zionist push to make it illegal by equating it with “anti-Semitism”. Absurd, but they’re trying. Allison Weir has addressed this topic extensively.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  304. @Talha

    They can certainly try. It hasn’t been going so well thus far.

    That’s a great infographic, ma sha ALLAH.

    And while heartening, I hesitate to use it as a measure of success. It isn’t that the enemies of Islam anticipate that Muslims will cease self-identifying as Muslim, but rather, that their faith will be corrupted such that whatever remains of it proves superficial.

    No direct attack upon Islam is needed. There’s plenty of tantalizing fodder for Gentile consumption readily available via television and the internet. If that isn’t sufficient, then a K-12 miseducation in any one of America’s celebrated public schools will do.

    And the millennial Muslim world has, rather unfortunately, embraced a good deal of it, exploiting the sexuality of women to move products and exulting material standards of living as the ultimate measure of success, just as the western world has.

    M. Kemal didn’t outlaw Islam in Turkey, he merely emasculated Muslims. That was sufficient a tyranny to cause most of them to lose faith.

    was-salaam.

    • Replies: @Talha
  305. @Yahya K.

    I would look at how the Romans did it, since they were very successful at getting genetically heterogonous people from around the Empire to assimilate into their culture

    Lol, as if there’s any serious data on that.

    Give it two or three hundred years, and the specific “techniques” you use hardly matter. As long as people aren’t persecuted, even minimal assimilative efforts will result in a common identity.

    But hey, two or three hundred years is a long time, isn’t it. And will the resultant fused identity bear much relation to the unmixed identity that preceded it? We have some big name Roman writers who didn’t think so.

    And if you’re talking about fusing with total racial aliens like Africans, Asians and PakiHindoos, that will transmogrify your race in ways that are most undesirable – dumber, uglier, more violent. (Harsh to say, but all too true.)

  306. Johan says:

    Note that to perform below the norm in the Western education system, it being the system of trained memory robots and parrots is a positive thing. Muslims should be presented with a warning: ‘enter the education system at your own risk, there will be no return for life’.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  307. songbird says:
    @Sirius

    I don’t really support the counter-jihad movement because they seem to be single issue monomaniacs dominated by blank-slatists – people who will embrace and welcome hordes of nominally Christian Africans who are more genetically distant than many Muslims. As well as prostrate themselves to any Jews.

    But I honestly fail to see why you think Europeans protesting against Islamicization is odious. At best, it is a religion alien to core Europe, which would promote sympathies for the hundreds of millions of Muslim people that exist globally (many of which want to come into Europe), in preference to the interests of Europeans. In consequence, it is quite natural for Europeans to want to reject it, and indeed I suspect much of it is really a rejection of mass migration. Unfortunately, the anti-racist environment we live in (which you help foster) channels such rejections into purely cultural forms. And anyone speaking about genetics (or even intergroup dynamics) is likely to get their head chopped off, metaphorically speaking, especially in Germany.

    As to the character of politicians – many are odious. Essentially unconvicted criminals, but that seems to be the system. If your objections were about the character of politicians, I suspect you would support a different system. (and not be a universalist, unless I have mischaracterized you?)

    Anyway, you can find much worse in the US, where much more power is wielded. Many of whom are for open borders, and the vast majority support Zionist policies and wield more influence on the Middle East and Israel. Need I add that the few anti-Zionists in Congress are mainly also odious scum? So I am confused with your focus on the AfD, unless you are a German, but I don’t believe you are?

    • Replies: @Sirius
  308. songbird says:
    @German_reader

    Probably all the intelligence agencies in Western Europe have been broadly subverted to fight against nationalism. IMO, it would be better if they were dismantled entirely. External military threats seem quite limited now, especially in proportion to domestic trends and traitorous pols.

    Anti-immigrant parties seem primarily dominated by the working class. I don’t know if it is the case in Germany, but I would suspect so. They are the ones on the frontline experiencing the consequences of demographic change, needing to send their kids to public schools.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  309. @Johan

    Note that to perform below the norm in the Western education system, it being the system of trained memory robots and parrots is a positive thing. Muslims should be presented with a warning: ‘enter the education system at your own risk, there will be no return for life’.

    Rote memorization is something integral to elementary/primary level education throughout the world, but I take it you’re referring to the entire 13 years of indoctrination upon illiberal dogma.

    Indeed, I’d recommend a warning label. Better to home school them as much as possible. Barring this, the parents must take vigilant interest in their children’s school experience from day to day, and show them the love that parents should.

  310. JM says:
    @German_reader

    “Anyway, the good thing about France is that you’ve got nuclear weapons, if you ever decide to solve this issue, this should at least limit the potential for intervention by the Americans…”

    I remember a similar remark by Sartre along the lines that if the French were to convert to socialism, it wouldn’t be the French ruling class they would have to worry about, but the American.

    The defiant de Gaulle can be thanked for the nuclear umbrella. No wonder the Heroes of ’68 sought to destabilise his government.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  311. German_reader says:
    @songbird

    Anti-immigrant parties seem primarily dominated by the working class.

    Definitely true for AfD’s voters (even though there is a certain disconnect with parts of AfD’s leadership who make a show of bourgeous respectability and sometimes hold strongly libertarian views on economics and the welfare state). imo it’s a direct result of left-wing parties being dominated by upper middle class progressives, civil servants etc. who care mostly about diversity, human rights, LGBTQ issues etc.

    IMO, it would be better if they were dismantled entirely. External military threats seem quite limited now, especially in proportion to domestic trends and traitorous pols.

    Counter-intelligence against espionage by foreign powers (e.g. Chinese industrial espionage) isn’t really that problematic imo. But there’s certainly huge potential for abuse regarding domestic intelligence agencies. Germany’s Verfassungsschutz has basically become a tool of the establishment to police and restrict political discourse, so any dissent against mass immigration is framed as unconstitutional.

    • Replies: @songbird
  312. Talha says:
    @AnonStarter

    All good points. Something in what you said reminds me of how Netflix cut a deal with the Saudis to remove the documentary about the Kashoggi murder in lieu of them allowing LGBT programming to be broadcast into Saudi.

    Wa salaam.

    • Thanks: AnonStarter
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  313. Talha says:
    @Yahya K.

    I’m not too convinced by the argument that inbreeding fosters ethnocentrism among a population.

    The issue with Dutton (and people like him) is twofold; 1) when all you have is a genetic hammer, everything looks like a genetic nail and 2) they seem to overlook data that contradicts them (or they look at only subsets of data whole ignoring the rest).

    For instance, cousin marriage was common in Japan and has only recently declined after WW2:
    “ Japan’s prime minister is married to his first cousin…
    Whilst first cousin marriage is the most common form of marriage in pre-modern societies and was not at all rare in even urban areas in pre-war Japan, it has become a rarity in this modern, mass education, mobile age.”
    https://foreignpolicy.com/2010/06/08/japans-prime-minister-is-married-to-his-first-cousin/

    Europeans used to be relatively ethnocentric up until a few decades ago, then the universalist bug bit them and they lost all forms of asabiyah.

    Don’t underestimate the effects of two world wars on the same continent in relatively short succession. I want you to imagine the same wide scale devastation and death, say, had the Muslim world did it to itself from Iran to Morocco and either killed or expelled millions of people to redefine their borders along ethnic lines. We saw some of that in Turkey in that timeframe. That would certainly have changed people’s perspective quite a bit.

    But until then, I remain cautious.

    Absolutely. Anyone claiming to have the one solution to the entire puzzle is likely not looking at the entire picture.

  314. German_reader says:
    @JM

    The background for that comment (which may admittedly seem a bit hyperbolic) was the hysterical criticism by American liberals of Macron’s initiatives against Islamic radicalism which are framed as completely unjustified oppression of a persecuted minority (the same liberals would probably applaud the recent efforts by the French state to ban Generation identitaire). One can only imagine what such people would demand if there ever were a genuinely nationalist French government which decided to remigrate unassimilable immigrants.
    Other powers might also try to intervene in such a scenario. I’m thinking especially of Turkey (which might eventually acquire nuclear weapons, a prospect Europeans should be concerned about imo).

  315. Anon[182] • Disclaimer says:

    The Creator of the universe is a singular, powerful, unique God who has no partners, no relatives, no associates, no peers, no rivals, no counterparts, no comparability, no beginning, no end, no limitations, no deficiencies, and no needs. He created us for only one purpose: to worship and obey Him. Any other reason to live is misguided and ultimately fruitless.
    God calls upon humanity to behave according to strict moral guidelines, which include strict prohibitions against murder, theft, criminality, adultery, fornication, intoxication, indecency, malice, deceit, treachery, transgression, injustice, torture, abuse, and defamation, among other things, and He calls upon humanity to uphold the opposite of these vices. The purpose of life on earth is to exert ourselves toward good, to prove our worth. Life, then, is simply a test. Right and wrong are made clear to us, and even though choosing the right action is not always easy, it is expected of us.

    [MORE]

    After death, all humans will be resurrected and will stand before God and face judgement for every single action and belief. Each person is responsible for what they did or failed to do. No one will be punished for someone else’s wrong actions, and no one will be pardoned for their own wrong actions except through God’s mercy and forgiveness, IF such mercy was previously recognized and intensely beseeched during our life on earth. God repeatedly sent prophets and messengers with the same divine message, which has remained unchanged from the very beginning of human existence (prophets which include Adam, Noah, Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, David, Soloman, Jesus Christ, and countless others, peace be upon them all). It is the generations after these great prophets of God who eventually went astray and introduced changes and deviations into God’s pure religion, necessitating the sending of further messengers, until the last messenger Muhammad was sent forth with the final revelation from God before the end of time. This revelation is preserved completely to this day, the Quran, and along with it the living legacy of the Prophet Muhammad, whose life and authentic teachings were faithfully recorded. The final message of Islam is an affirmation of all the prior prophets of God, and it is a call to unity among all people of religion in returning to the worship of God alone.

    The divine message has always been and remains as follows: God is one, and He is without any partners or other false gods. Only He is to be obeyed and worshipped. His commands and His will are to be given precedence in life, since we owe our entire existence and our sustenance to God, including every brain cell, every breath, and every heart beat. We are completely dependent upon our Creator, and we are expected to show gratitude and to submit our lives to Him, and that is the meaning of “Islam.”
    Although we were created by God with this purpose, and we were given the ability to recognize it as the truth, we happen to have a sworn enemy who is envious of us and whose stated goal is to mislead us and cause us to fail in our purpose. This enemy is none other than Satan, and his means are to distract humans with their desires and their lower selves. He abases them by tempting them with illicit sex, intoxicants, mindless entertainment, destructive habits and addictions, dishonestly obtained money, worldly indulgence, inflated egos, violence and strife, seeking power, and anything else to distract them from their Creator. It is many who are consumed by these diversions and who are held back from seeking God and fulfilling their true purpose in life.
    When all is said and done, and our lives have ended, we will all be resurrected, and our fate will be either to burn in Hellfire (if we did not believe in God and obey and worship Him with sincerity and with effort), or we will enter Paradise, the abode of all pleasure and comfort in the presence of our Maker. As for those who were mostly on the right path but had significant shortfalls, they will burn in Hellfire for some time, but eventually God will show them mercy and admit them into Paradise. One’s degree of torment in Hell and the length of time spent in Hell, or the degree of reward in Paradise (which is eternal), is commensurate with his faith (or lack thereof) and the goodness of his actions (or lack thereof), in keeping with God’s infinite justice.When the world comes to an end before the Day of Judgment (and that time is ever near), everything and everyone will be dead, except for the Living One who does not die, the Creator, all praise and glory be to Him. A majority of humanity will later wish that they could have remained dead rather than face what they failed to prepare for. My fellow Children of Adam, take heed, and prepare yourselves. If you think any of this is a fairy tale, think about your own existence and your very presence before your computer screen, and think about how much of a fairy tale that itself would otherwise seem

  316. sb says:
    @Donald A Thomson

    Countries only make a concerted effort about matters which are contentious . So called official language is a good example of this ( USA , England and Australia have no official legal language whereas Canada, Ireland and New Zealand do )

    Until recently newcomers just blended into Australian society . That was all due to the fact that government didn’t make any effort to encourage other options . Nowadays of course all levels of Government strongly encourage what they call multiculturalism so the days of the mainstream society being blended and mixing easily are coming to a close

  317. Muslims in France love to sing in the Paris metro about how their many children will replace the hapless White French people who no longer reproduce. “Our children will bury you godless French!”

    And so it goes. The Labrador Retriever White Race, lapping the boots of its oppressor gives great pleasure to the Muslims.

    Ah, but once the Labrador Retriever is gone, all those Muslim children with come up against Bolshevik Satanic Jews, a far different opponent.

    “Ne vous en faites pas, Monsieur Muslim…. bientot, on se va definitivement….mais, vos enfants seront les esclaves des Juifs.”

  318. Anonymous[429] • Disclaimer says:
    @Yahya K.

    Yep.

    So Germans ‘need a dictator’ just so they can accommodate blacks and browns.
    Never mind the democracy.

    What kind of crazy shit is that?

  319. Anonymous[429] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sirius

    I don’t need to justify myself to you.
    No more than white ethnic indigenous Europeans need *any* justification in keeping the darkies out of their ancestral homeland continent.

    • Replies: @Sirius
  320. Sirius says:
    @AaronB

    I believe, as a minimum principle that all men of good will should believe, that the Jewish community in Palestine had the right to autonomy when the Ottoman empire broke up.

    Oh yeah? Is that what Zionism was all about? Jewish autonomy in Palestine?

    Here’s what happened in the most concise way I can put it:

    1. The British promised Syria (including Palestine) independence in 1916 in exchange for a rebellion against Ottoman rule that was transitioning to Turkish nationalism.

    2. The British secretly made a deal with the French to partition Syria in 1916, into what became Lebanon, a smaller Syria, Palestine and Transjordan (later Jordan); the first 2 were occupied by France from 1920-1946.

    3. The British promised the Zionists a “Jewish national home” in Palestine in 1917.

    4. The British occupied Palestine in 1918, not officially carving out the borders until 1922.

    Up to this time, the Jewish population was not even 10% of Palestine, less than 100,000 Jews. And most of them, even then, were immigrants from Europe who came legally during the Ottoman years in the 2 decades prior to 1917.

    5. The British occupation forced Palestine to accept European Jewish immigration for 30 years, until 1948.

    The British never allowed self-determination, nor the institution of a Palestinian parliament, and brutally crushed a local rebellion in 1936-39. Then, against the principles of self-determination, they “referred” the problem to the UN in 1947, which violated its own principles of self-determination in “recommending” a partition of Palestine. The vote was rigged by US pressure; the US government was pressured by influential Zionists. Nonetheless, it was a non-binding UN General Assembly resolution, often forgotten.

    During this time, the Jews became a sizeable minority, almost 1/3 of the population.

    6. That sizeable minority, the Yishuv, expelled the Palestinian majority and created “Israel” in 1948, occupying 78% of Palestine, and denying the expellees the right of return.

    7. Transjordanian forces managed to salvage part of Palestine in 1948-49, the West Bank, and Egyptian forces the same with the Gaza Strip. 22% of Palestine.

    8. The Zionists/”Israelis” completed the occupation of Palestine in 1967.

    It really boils down to that. Does that sound moral to you?

    So if anyone should be complaining loudly about immigration and the denial of independence and the threat to the nation, it should be Syria-Palestine.

    All of this is related to our current problem, and a never-ending cycle of war, destabilization and forced migration was started in 1914-18, not in 2011 or 2012. That’s what I meant that for Syria (and Palestine), WWI never ended.

    Is any of this Germany’s fault? No. Is it Britain’s and France’s fault: absolutely.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    , @Sirius
  321. Sirius says:
    @songbird

    why you think Europeans protesting against Islamicization is odious

    To be as brief as possible, as even I have limited time to comment, and I think I’ve covered plenty in all these threads:

    To sum it all up: what I find distressing is the creation of a confrontation between the “West/Christians” on one side and “Islam” on the other, largely backed if not totally provoked by Zionism (in the US under the guise of “neocons”). If the confrontation continues, it can only end badly for both. It is neither desirable nor inevitable.

    As the saying goes: “That’s all folks!”

  322. Sirius says:
    @Anonymous

    Nor do I need to justify myself to you. I’m just pointing out your hypocrisy in demanding that I do, in the comfort and cowardliness of total anonymity.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  323. Anon[182] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    170. O Mankind! The Messenger hath come to you in truth from Allah: believe in him: It is best for you. But if ye reject Faith, to Allah belong all things in the heavens and on earth: And Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.

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    171. O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not “Trinity”: desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.
    ( Quran 4: 170-171 )
    47. O ye People of the Book! believe in what We have (now) revealed, confirming what was (already) with you, before We change the face and fame of some (of you) beyond all recognition, and turn them hindwards, or curse them as We cursed the Sabbath-breakers, for the decision of Allah Must be carried out.
    48. Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed.
    Quran sura An nisaa 4; 47-48.

    14. From those, too, who call themselves Christians, We did take a covenant, but they forgot a good part of the message that was sent them: so we estranged them, with enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the day of judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done
    15. O people of the Book! There hath come to you our Messenger, revealing to you much that ye used to hide in the Book, and passing over much (that is now unnecessary): There hath come to you from Allah a (new) light and a perspicuous Book,
    17. In blasphemy indeed are those that say that Allah is Christ the son of Mary. Say: “Who then hath the least power against Allah, if His will were to destroy Christ the son of Mary, his mother, and all every – one that is on the earth? For to Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between. He createth what He pleaseth. For Allah hath power over all things.”
    19. O People of the Book! Now hath come unto you, making (things) clear unto you, Our Messenger, after the break in (the series of) our messengers, lest ye should say: “There came unto us no bringer of glad tidings and no warner (from evil)”: But now hath come unto you a bringer of glad tidings and a warner (from evil). And Allah hath power over all things.
    51. O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.
    75. Christ the son of Mary was no more than a messenger; many were the messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how Allah doth make His signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth!
    78. Curses were pronounced on those among the Children of Israel who rejected Faith, by the tongue of David and of Jesus the son of Mary: because they disobeyed and persisted in excesses.
    81. If only they had believed in Allah, in the Prophet, and in what hath been revealed to him, never would they have taken them for friends and protectors, but most of them are rebellious wrong-doers.
    82. Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, “We are Christians”: because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.
    83. And when they listen to the revelation received by the Messenger, thou wilt see their eyes overflowing with tears, for they recognise the truth: they pray: “Our Lord! we believe; write us down among the witnesses
    84. “What cause can we have not to believe in Allah and the truth which has come to us, seeing that we long for our Lord to admit us to the company of the righteous?”
    85. And for this their prayer hath Allah rewarded them with gardens, with rivers flowing underneath,- their eternal home. Such is the recompense of those who do good.
    86. But those who reject Faith and belie our Signs,- they shall be companions of Hell-fire
    .116. And behold! Allah will say: “O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah’?” He will say: “Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden.
    117. “Never said I to them aught except what Thou didst command me to say, to wit, ‘worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord’; and I was a witness over them whilst I dwelt amongst them; when Thou didst take me up Thou wast the Watcher over them, and Thou art a witness to all things.
    ( Quran sura Al Maaida )
    https://www.clearquran.com

    • Replies: @Malla
  324. Reaper says:

    “It is unclear what is driving this re-Islamization.”

    It is not.
    Some years ago a person (also from an Islamic migrant background) write a fine book about the issue of 2., 3., 4. generation migrants who are Muslims. I have read only some translated parts of that because it is was in French originally.
    But even those explained well.

    In short first generation migrants mainly the ones who arrived before about 1990 were mostly impressed with the new conditions of their new home:
    – includes various freedoms which were absent at their original home, like relaxed dressing rules, emancipation, alcohol drinking, etc…
    – they come from territories of hardships, and belived in promises all will be better, just work hard
    – they had more desire to integrate, or at least know more from the local trends

    But 2., 3., etc generations are different.
    As they did realize promises are not true, they are still secondary citizens, while propaganda still stands/ even favors them, they get frustrated and regardless of costly social benefits/ programs for them valid opportunities lacks, and many of them live in “ghetto” like areas, so disregard any integration attempt and band together. Get into a spiral and segregate themselves even more; more likely to consider districts where they live as their own, where their rules must stand, and the outside world as enemy, who is not them.
    They turn to roots and became very conservative Muslims, also far less tolerant ones, who reject various relaxed rules and freedoms of the European country, even became far more hard-line than the population in their original homelands.
    The writer referred to countries like Saudi Arabia, UAE, Lebanon, Turkey which are in recent decades became far more tolerant/ relaxed in strict religious origin rules, than the 2., 3., etc generation migrants which more likely became ultraconservative, even fanatics.

    So that is the background.


    In some areas (often called no-go zones) developed far:
    Once a small group of television staff arrived to such area in France from my homeland, they were wish to make a documentary short film. As soon as they arrived locals get various melee weapons/ made-up eqipment, and was ready to beat them out.
    When realized they are no French: Oh, then all right, and they gone back to their business, and no harm fallen to the documentary staff. Many locals even was happy to co-operate in the documentary.

    Migrants, especially Muslims are in a difficult situation in West Europe.
    1. The mainstream propaganda is: love migrants, be happy, let`s mix/ tolerate anything, and cry for poor migrants, give them benefits
    2. The liberal-woke propaganda: don`t be muslim, get drunk, use drugs, join Antifa, be slut, be gay, fuck religion, for native girls: get a BBC, and get a migrant to your bed
    3. The benefit system: add ok to high level, with no expectations (but: various rules make hard to get oportunities by merit: enlarge real segregation, and done nothing against “gettos”)
    4. Legal system often provocative, ranging from claim back districts with police, war on terror/ domestic terror to make illegal to wear headscarves. Weak/ non-succesfull enforcing attempts create bad blood.
    5. Fears of locals. Natives tend to be passive-agressive, do provocations which often born from various fears, and the rightful disstatisfication of the social benefit system which favors anybody who non-white/ non-native. But provocations, and low scale hate/ protest are only contribute to religious/ racial conflicts.
    6. Most of them live in segregated areas (some born from social housing programs dedicated for them, others develeped more natutary with vawes of migration).

    “The Turks indeed have developed their own cultural and political ecosystem in France”

    Not just France, anywhere they go do the same.
    At least that imperialists as any former colonial power.
    They need their shops, their barbers, their taxi drivers, their cultural institutes, their restaurants, ice cream shops, their hotels, whatever. Always ecenomy inside economy, and separated culture.
    Also they are a nation opposed with most arabic “country”.
    Relation with Turks are always difficult.

    “By contrast, only small majorities of Moroccans and Algerians marry their co-nationals”

    Because those are not nations. They are arabs, berbers, other ethnic groups.
    Only people in Egypt and Syria consider themselves as nation, and Lebanon is close to something like that, other arabic countries are not.
    Saudi Arabia also try to build up some kind of national consciousness but that rely on the ruler, decades to go untill that can be something, or fall in the attempt just like Kuwait did.

    • Replies: @Talha
  325. Malla says:
    @Anon

    Yo thank you for these words from the Quran. I am aware of the Islamic view on these subjects as monotheism, Christians etc…. All I said was watching that video in between Jay Dyer (an Orthodox Christian) and Dr. Shabir Ally (famous Islamic scholar who comes on TV) and was surprised how well Mr. Dyer defended himself against Dr. Ally on the idea of Trinity. That is all. That is because I have seen many Jewish Rabbis too attack Christians on this subject in their videos.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  326. @AaronB

    But Zionism, at the very least, is just plain common sense and morality.

    No. If Zionism was about Jewish statehood without any specific location in mind, it wouldn’t have been a problem. If Zionists had claimed a few uninhabited islands in the pacific ocean as their new state, not even the most ardent anti-Semite would have objected. But the state had to be in Palestine and thus the Arabs in that region would have to surrender their own aspirations. Zionism was never moral. It was illegitimate then and it is illegitimate today. That doesn’t mean that Israel should be dismantled and all the Jews sent back to Europe. Even bastards have the right to live after all.

  327. Reaper says:
    @Commentator Mike

    “They should have polled how many of those would insist that their spouse should convert to Islam, how many would convert to the spouse’s religion, or be happy for each to keep their own.”

    Well not specialise it to France, but in a global manner:

    To convert spouse is not always an issue.
    More often when religion matters that much conversion is a prerequisite before marriage.

    Muslim men are quite mixed up in the matter, some prefer if their chosen converts, or by base Muslim, others very happy to use their wife (who is non-Muslim) as excuse to relaxed rules in their practice/ home/ lifestyle.
    Muslim women who want non-Muslim husband usually also want escape from strict rules/ expectations.
    But often Muslim women are more strict/ hard-line than men. Even on dating sites are often profiles in a manner (for future husbands): you will accept me as Muslim, Islamic rules will be in our household, don`t dare to put non-Halal food to our fridge, obey husband. Was surprising first, but really frequent. Also interesting: often they do not care the religion of future husband, but care very much about the household rules.

    The real hardcore ones are the already converted females, who originally Europeans, and choose the strictest ways freely.
    There was a funny affair once in Germany between the migrant soft line Muslim cashier and the girl in full chador when cashier tried to shame the girl who (in his opinion) are too radical in apperance, and that puts Muslims in bad light, and the girl quicly replied in a how dare you manner with stated that: she choose this, and will follow this, anyway opposed with the cashier not originally Muslim, but converted, and not migrant, but German. One of my acquaintance witnessed this. Funny.

    When both spouse keeps his/ her own religion sometimes carry the benefit: kids are not pushed to one, but can choose when teens/ matured enought. It`s hardly come when parents have the same religion.

    Anyway that is an interesting topics when a Muslim converts to something else.
    First generation remains cultural-lifestyle Muslim mostly after religious conversion (except in dress code which can radically change).

    • Agree: Iris
    • Replies: @Talha
  328. songbird says:
    @Yahya K.

    I think if you can get yourself a Tito or a Lee Kuan Yew, you can make a multiethnic society work well for Germany.

    There is a major distinction between a multi-ethnic state and a multi-racial state.

    And Singapore does not count as a real country. It is an urban environment, with very low TFR, that is reliant on continuous immigration from China. I doubt it is even reproducible, today at scale, due to a variety of historical reasons. But, anyway, it is not desirable, for any nationalist.

    • Replies: @Reaper
  329. Reaper says:
    @VICB3

    “Take away the free stuff for immigrants, and your immigration and non-assimilation problems will go away. ”

    Sure not.
    When I was in South England there was some kind of Spanish (meaning actual Spanish (and then EU) citizens) invasion. They get no free stuff, yet get fooled with imperialist propaganda and false promises, try luck – find work, and in large quantity arrived with some money. Most must get home after months with bald ass – empty pockets while the hostels/ landlords as well the UK economy get fat on them, and others who fooled.

    Non-assimilation have minimal contact with benefits/ free stuff.
    But it`s denial more, which will cut ties, and the ones who already there clamp more closely by neccesity, builds up economy in economy just like the Turks by base, and must rely on their religious-cultural infrastructure, which carries more obligations than state benefits.
    Also makes harder to break out from subculture/ migrant group without support.

    Solution for assimilation rely primary on people, not state state can support it`s citizens in the attempt, but cannot replace.
    Austria done quite well, Japan too.

  330. songbird says:
    @German_reader

    I suppose Germany might be an interesting test about class and politics because of the East-West distinction.

    If you go to the UK, it seems impossible to miss the stamp of the working-class on the BNP and Patriotic Alternative. And I do think they are largely on the frontlines there, but perhaps Germany is a refutation of this idea that working-class support for nationalism is purely due to experience with diversity, as AfD seems to have stronger support in the East, (which though does have terrible enrichment in areas.)

    I sometimes think that middle class people have the ambition to become part of the elite, that is why they ape the elite. But lower class people don’t believe that they can become part of the elite, so they are more comfortable not aping it. Perhaps, part of the difference is due to emigration from the East. Though, I guess there are lots of possible explanations.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  331. Reaper says:
    @songbird

    States in South America are more or less multi-racial.
    As for how it`s working or not opinions are differ.

    It seems to me multi-ethnic which carries multi cultural/ multi religion/ multi language is more difficult.

    • Replies: @songbird
  332. German_reader says:
    @songbird

    that working-class support for nationalism is purely due to experience with diversity, as AfD seems to have stronger support in the East, (which though does have terrible enrichment in areas.)

    Merkel’s open borders policy has brought large numbers of non-European migrants to Eastern Germany for the first time too, in some places they’re suddenly 5-10% of the population. And of course there are plenty of incidents, I’ll bring up a few examples:
    – Knife attack by two Syrians against German teenager in Cottbus:
    https://www.welt.de/vermischtes/article175366693/Amtsgericht-urteilt-Jugendarrest-nach-Messer-Angriff-von-Cottbus.html
    – Pakistani randomly (and almost fatally) knifes German teenager in a tram in Cottbus:
    https://www.welt.de/vermischtes/article215497380/Cottbusser-Strassenbahn-Azubi-attackiert-Beinahe-toedliche-Messerattacke.html
    – Three Syrians/Afghans randomly knife two German men in Gera (Thuringia), almost killing one of them and disfiguring him in the face:
    https://www.focus.de/politik/gerichte-in-deutschland/staatsanwaltschaft-bagatellisiert-verbrechen-brutaler-messerangriff-in-thueringen-vaeter-der-opfer-erheben-schwere-vorwuerfe-gegen-justiz_id_11714923.html
    – “Refugee” from Niger rapes nine-year old German girl in Rosslau (Sachsen-Anhalt):
    https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/elbwiesen-in-dessau-rosslau-neunjaehrige-vergewaltigt-fuenfeinhalb-jahre-haft-fuer-27-jaehrigen-a-1286092.html

    Obviously East Germans aren’t used to this, unlike West Germans where the frog was slowly boiled over decades, the great replacement is already far advanced, and most people are cucked beyond belief anyway due to decades of propaganda and too much prosperity. There’s also resentment against West German liberals who ignore such incidents and pretend the main issue is East German neonazis hunting down saintly refugees (often mixed with sentiments of the sort “Reunification was a mistake”, “look how heartless those ossies are, they got so much help from us, and now they don’t want to help the poor refugees” etc.).
    So there’s more resistance against mass immigration in East Germany. But still only by a minority that is locked out of political power.

    • Thanks: songbird
  333. Talha says:
    @Reaper

    Thanks for these points. Do you have the name of that documentary that you mentioned?

    Peace.

  334. Talha says:
    @Reaper

    The thing about Muslim out-marriage is that it is pretty clearly outlined in the sacred law that Muslim men can only marry Muslims or People of the Book (Christians and Jews) and Muslim women can only marry Muslim men. That is why – if one is looking for the mosque or community to go along in Western countries; the man needs to at least nominally convert to Islam, while it is optional for the woman (assuming she is a Christian or Jew). But generally the Muslim scholars in the West discourage marrying non-Muslim women due to what they’ve seen happen to the children who end up going off the religion.

    In Muslim lands, many countries have legal rules to interdict or nullify marriages that don’t adhere to the above rules.

    Peace.

    • Agree: Commentator Mike
  335. songbird says:
    @Reaper

    States in South America are more or less multi-racial.

    Seems to me, that the Spanish derived-states are becoming more Amerind, which is probably a process that started at least about a hundred years ago. A while back, in some insane instance of corruption, Chile let in over 150,000 Haitians to pick fruit.

    As to Brazil: people there say that blacks have low TFR, but it is my impression that the proportion of black and Amerind genes is increasing and there is internal migration to white areas. I once theorized that the answer to the Fermi paradox is Brazil.

    It seems to me multi-ethnic which carries multi cultural/ multi religion/ multi language is more difficult.

    I agree. Religion was meant to unite people. And arguably, there were separate HBD influences on the development of the different faiths. Even with secularization, importing people of a different religion is fundamentally insane, and I believe something that only an atheistic regime could dream up.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @silviosilver
  336. Anonymous[210] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sirius

    Yep.

    And ‘Sirius’ is your real name.

    • Replies: @Sirius
  337. Sirius says:
    @AnonStarter

    Thank you for those. I will certainly have a look. It might take me a while as I have a heavy reading list, but I’ll get to them. I also hope to visit Armenia itself one day, once this crazy situation is over.

    The real gap in my knowledge is that period I mentioned where the Turks migrated to Asia Minor and became Muslims, so if you (or anyone else) have good studies for that, it would be appreciated.

  338. Anonymous[210] • Disclaimer says:

    The correct analogy is that ethnic white indigenous Europeans are the *real* Palestinians in that political elites – who hold all the power – have forcibly, and and against the will of the disenfranchised native population, have deliberately and knowingly forced on to their homelands *enormous* numbers of third world origin settlers, who happen to be highly aggressive, with a will to power urge to takeover – and marginalise the real Europeans. True colonists in the real sense of the word, as colonists seek to permanently settle, change national character and takeover. In their shamelessness, ruthlessness, aggression and arrogant sense of entitlement and superiority, these are the *real* Zionists.

  339. @Talha

    Something in what you said reminds me of how Netflix cut a deal with the Saudis to remove the documentary about the Kashoggi murder in lieu of them allowing LGBT programming to be broadcast into Saudi.

    You don’t say?

    They’ve finally reached the gecko’s lair.

    was-salaam.

    • Agree: Talha
  340. Anonymous[671] • Disclaimer says:

    What always makes me laugh is that the leader of a political party which styles itself the “Christian” Democrat Party is doing her damnedest to make Germany an Islamic state.

  341. Sirius says:
    @Anonymous

    I have a handle. You can follow my posting history and be critical or remind me of it. There is an element of responsibility there. This site also shows who’s a frequenter and who isn’t. You insult me today, tomorrow you can be someone else. So your insult was cowardly. Are you so thick you can’t understand that?

    Personally, I think completely anonymous posts shouldn’t be allowed, as it is with Anatoly Karlin I believe.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Talha
  342. @Sirius

    There are humanitarian considerations, and yes, I believe in those.

    Maybe you personally. but there are no humanitarian considerations in the immigration policy of the West. These are the same politicians that are condoning and fighting wars in the Middle East destroying the lives of those people so why would they want to help them by resettling them in Western countries? They intend to use the immigrants against their own people.

    • Replies: @Sirius
  343. Anonymous[210] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sirius

    Couillons.

    You are just as anonymous as I am.
    I have a problem with liars, the more blatant the liar, the more I have a problem.

    • Replies: @Sirius
    , @anon
  344. Sirius says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Possibly. It requires examination. Is there any history to prove it, namely someone mobilizing recent immigrants against the natives? In the US, a prime promoter of racial tension was Donald “Mexicans are rapists” Trump, a figure supposedly from the right or far right.

    But I think it’s often a way to lower costs of labor, especially in the US, Europe having vastly different conditions even amongst each individual country. It keeps wage down. In a society whose main concern is maximizing profits (again US more than EU), no matter the social costs, that can’t be ignored. Not every job can be done in China or India.

    These are the same politicians that are condoning and fighting wars in the Middle East destroying the lives of those people so why would they want to help them by resettling them in Western countries?

    Are they the same politicians? In Trump’s case, no. He excluded Syrians completely while imposing severe sanctions designed to make their lives miserable. Was his intention to make them flee to Europe, or simply to serve his masters in Tel Aviv? The boiling pressure is still on today under Biden. We’ll see if anything changes.

    Y’all think it was bad with Syria? Just wait if they’re stupid and craven enough to go after Iran, a country 4-5 times the size of Syria. I doubt it but one never knows.

  345. Talha says:
    @songbird

    Even with secularization, importing people of a different religion is fundamentally insane, and I believe something that only an atheistic regime could dream up.

    Likely, because from their perspective they are all just made up by humans and thus essentially flexible/maleable.

    Peace.

    • Agree: songbird
  346. Talha says:
    @Sirius

    Only you can allow someone to steal your time from you.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Sirius
  347. Sirius says:
    @Anonymous

    Alors! Tu parles français? You didn’t need to pluralize “couillon” by the way.

    Like I said, you’re thick. Really thick. In French I believe the right word is “obtus”, but feel free to correct me, con.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Seraphim
  348. Sirius says:
    @Talha

    Yes, you’re right. I’m wasting time on that anonymous idiot. It’s ok, I’m still fairly new at this, you know.

    But note that I did want to put out that comment that anonymous/nameless commenters should be disallowed, so it wasn’t a total waste. I hope someone hears it.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Talha
  349. anon[173] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sirius

    Like I said, you’re thick. Really thick.

    Yep, the kiked white window licker is dumber than a box of rocks, but his faggoty pink skin is da bestest!

  350. @Sirius

    Maybe it’s a maneuver, but why not just show directly what they believe in?

    Would that be smart ?

    Let’s take PEGIDA (Patriotic Europeans Against the Islamization of the West), an ally of the AfD.
    What do they have in common with Zionists? Anti-Islam.

    Do you think AfD and PEGIDA are anti-Islam ? I thought you were as alert as Talha ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talhah_(name). ) . I will give you some time to re-think !!!

  351. Talha says:
    @Sirius

    The forum, like many places on the Internet is open to everyone. The only one that will respect your time is yourself. You’re not here to be someone else’s punching bag for their issues. Simply ignore those that provide you no net benefit to your life. As I’ve said before, they have a right to their opinions, but not your time.

    Trust me, the mature people around here will understand why you refuse to engage with somebody that has little benefit to offer other than insults.

    I will suggest to Mr. Unz that he put an option to allow someone to ignore all posts by people without a user handle. That way you can block them all at once.

    Peace.

  352. anon[169] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Couillons.

    😂😂

    You are just as anonymous as I am.

    You are just as fucking stupid as every other kiked white trashionalist window licker.

    I have a problem with liars, the more blatant the liar, the more I have a problem.

    I have the perfect final solution for all your white people problems: white genocide.

  353. @songbird

    I don’t know about the respective TFRs, but the proportion of whites has been falling in Brazil. That may not indicate an actual fall though, since the definition of ‘white’ in Brazil is vague that some people can opt in or out of whiteness based on fashion (or perceived benefit).

    • Replies: @songbird
  354. @Sirius

    Is it Britain’s and France’s fault: absolutely.

    Nothing that happened after Israel’s creation was Britain and France’s fault. Sure, in the rearrangement of the post-Ottoman Levant they were pursuing their own interests (or rather, what they falsely perceived to be their interests), but that’s what countries do. Power, not 21st century eurofaggot morals, drives international relations.

    Anyway, if the Palestinians today would settle for a partition of Palestine (as they claim they would), then what Britain did wasn’t really immoral anyway. Israel, not Britain, is responsible for the partition plan’s failure.

  355. Seraphim says:
    @anonymous

    God forbid that we would ever have to experience that! To see people consciously choosing to go to Hell.

  356. Seraphim says:
    @Malla

    ‘Russian’ revolution happened precisely because Russians were close to liberate Constantinople and Anatolia and finally eliminate the the Islamic plague from the Middle East, that neither the enemies, nor the ‘allies’ of Russia would ever tolerate. They had to be stopped at any cost.

  357. Seraphim says:
    @Malla

    Muslim apologists never ‘debate’. Their style of debate is: ‘we are right because Mahomed said so in the Quran, you are wrong because you don’t believe in Mahomed and your scriptures are ‘corrupt’ (actually you are guilty of falsifying them).

  358. German_reader says:
    @silviosilver

    I wonder what kind of background “Sirius” has. I suspect he’s a naive liberal American boomer who in his retirement has adopted Palestine as a pet cause, has traveled the Mideast as a tourist and in reaction to the Zionist propaganda which is so prominent in American discourse now imagines Muslims in all contexts to be unfairly demonized, through absolutely no fault of their own. Or maybe he has some other motivation (AaronB suggested he’s a Lebanese Christian, which at least would explain the obsession with Palestine/Israel).
    In any case the prominence of types like him among the UR commentariat really shows what a poor vehicle this site actually is for European identitarianism. Durocher should look for other avenues to get his stuff published, it’s mostly pearls before swine to the audience here.

    • Replies: @songbird
    , @silviosilver
  359. Seraphim says:

    France can hardly evade her responsibility in promoting the ‘understanding’ of Islam, exalting its ‘profound spirituality’ propagandized by the works of a Louis Massignon, Henri Corbin, Rene Guenon, Michel Valsan, on the background of the relentless anti-Catholic atheist propaganda which was the backbone of Enlightenment and Revolution, as it remained of today ‘Laïcité’.

  360. Sirius says:
    @Malla

    Also Czarist Orthodox Russia was close to retake Istanbul/ Constantinople and then the Russian “Revolution” happened and the Russian army stopped in its tracks.

    That’s not what happened. First of all you can’t “retake” that which you never possessed, though I presume you mean as followers of Orthodoxy. But even then it was a different branch, Russian v. Greek Orthodox, with different patriarchs in Moscow and Constantinople.*

    Second, the Russian army wasn’t close to Constantinople at all. Russia was war weary and under severe pressure from Germany. It was ultimately Germany that knocked Russia out of the war, and helped along the second part of the revolution, by giving safe passage to Lenin from Switzerland on that famous sealed train.

    The Russians were mired on the other side of Asia Minor, under no condition able to mount an offensive across the length of it. On the other flank, the Bulgarians were allies of the Ottomans. The Greeks would later attempt an offensive after WWI was nominally over, but it failed against the emerging Turkish nationalists led by Mustafa Kemal.

    * still the official name under the Ottomans, by the way.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  361. Sirius says:
    @Talha

    Thanks. But it’s kind of a blunt instrument, isn’t it? To me it’s more about people have a posting history, rather than having an easy way to make one time cheap shots. Of course, anyone can keep coming up with new accounts linked to new email addresses, but that would require a bit more work.

    • Replies: @Talha
  362. Sirius says:
    @Sirius

    Is any of this Germany’s fault? No. Is it Britain’s and France’s fault: absolutely.

    Actually, I would nix this entire statement if I had to post this over again. It’s too simplistic and I realized it as soon as my 5 minutes correction period was up. This kind of forum encourages quick, simple statements like that (hence all these blanket generalizations we see over and over), but I shouldn’t have made it without a full explanation.

    The main points are 1 through 8.

  363. Anonymous[293] • Disclaimer says:

    And there you have it:

    That duplicitous dishonest ranting yapping windbag of an arch-deceiver, that anonymous entity calling itself ‘Sirius’ , like a true perfidious easterner, has let the mask slip for a moment and unguardedly let his true self show – a blessed relief, in a way, from the non stop ‘lying as easily as it breaths’ ranting in calling for ‘white genocide’.

    What more can I say?

    M. Durocher and the rest of the white advocates, for whom this site is a refuge from a world which hates us, please take note.

  364. Anonymous[293] • Disclaimer says:
    @silviosilver

    Frankly I couldn’t give a shit either way.

    If it was our fault, or wasn’t our fault.
    Jews, Arabs, Zionists, Palestinians, just couldn’t give a damn.

    Anyway, strange how a thread about the ongoing great replacement of whites in Europe got sidetracked, by a nasty little windbag, into this meaningless, fetid, boring detour.

  365. Talha says:
    @Sirius

    But it’s kind of a blunt instrument, isn’t it?

    Yup – exactly. Saves you screen space too that you don’t have to scroll through.

    Peace.

  366. songbird says:
    @silviosilver

    I’ve wondered whether there is some political carryover from demographic changes in the US and Europe. I imagine so, but the adoption of AA suggests to me real demographic changes in Brazil.

  367. songbird says:
    @German_reader

    I find his use of the terms “Westerner” and “European Jews” quite odd. Frankly, the latter suggests an ethnic animus against Europeans. Personally, I find it insulting. I believe it is tantamount to saying that he doesn’t care where they are as long as it is anywhere in Europe.

    I find it puzzling why he doesn’t use the term “Ashkenazi.” From estimates that I’ve seen the majority of their DNA comes from the Middle East. I suspect that the root of their tribalism is Middle Eastern, and anyway a lot of people in the Levant have some European genes, as it was crossroads for thousands of years, with Greeks, Romans, Crusaders, and others. Not to mention Arabs paid a high price to acquire additional European genes in the form of European women.

    I don’t see how they could complain about women with European genes now, and the paternal lineages are certainly from the Middle East. Not to mention, some of the “natives” have genes from more alien places like sub Saharan Africa. Taleb likes to describe himself as a “Med” – that would cover a lot of the non-Semitic genes in Jews, anyway.

    And I hope he is not trying to construct a cultural argument. If you ask me, there is no more powerful antipathy than that which Jews hold towards Europeans. Though whatever the case, my own biases aside, they are hardly kindred spirits or pro-European.

    His moniker suggests to me he is Egyptian, distaste for dogs aside. But as amusing as such puzzles are, he seems rather reluctant to reveal his ethnicity, and I suppose such declarations can’t be trusted anyway.

  368. songbird says:
    @silviosilver

    True, it is always about power, even now.

    They cannot blame the Ottomans for foolishly inviting the Jews in to act as middlemen. Because that doesn’t justify the invasion of Europe, and Turkey though it holds a part of Europe is less desirable.

    And what is the point about lamenting the Ottoman invasion of Europe or the destruction they wrought there? That would create uncomfortable parallels. We must forget Islam was one of the greatest colonial forces that ever existed.

    The fault can’t be in themselves. Their modern fractiousness or disloyalty to the Turks. Their naive views that they could sever themselves from the only regional Muslim power and instantly become their own regional power with an industrial base. Or that the British would do the fighting for them, and hand them a consolidated Arab empire.

    The British and French must be our villains because they are desirable places to invade. Oh and it was pure exploitation by those ethnic groups. British policy was not influenced by anyone, and British peacekeepers weren’t targeted by anyone. And the French had no moral impulses whatsoever regarding local Christians. No reason to suspect that they were in danger, at all. Because moralism is only in aid to the current invasion.

  369. German_reader says:
    @songbird

    From estimates that I’ve seen the majority of their DNA comes from the Middle East.

    I thought it was more like 50:50 Levantine: European (mostly south). And the phenotype of at least some Ashkenazi Jews does look very European after all (up to red hair and blue eyes; of course there are others who look very Mideastern and swarthy).
    Sirius’ going on about “European Jews” imo is just the standard leftie anti-Zionism, framing Zionism as just another European colonial movement (of course this ignores that many Israeli Jews actually come from places like Iraq or Morocco and had never been to Europe).

    But as amusing as such puzzles are, he seems rather reluctant to reveal his ethnicity

    Indeed, and I find that very annoying, really does suggest he’s got some kind of hidden agenda. imo commenters in threads such as these should be forced to specify their ethnic origins (perhaps have added some kind of badge or flag next to their name, e.g. I could get the German imperial war flag, AaronB an Israeli flag etc.). Even if one can’t really control it, it would at least force subversives to concoct a fake identity, which could eventually be unmasked if they contradict themselves.

    • Replies: @Yahya K.
    , @songbird
  370. @GMC

    Right. Debris from demolished buildings can be 40 stories high? Doesn’t look like it to me. You don’t need nukes or aliens to bring down a high rise. Just TNT.

  371. Anonymous[425] • Disclaimer says:
    @songbird

    It’s pretty obvious that it’s an Arab/Muslim/Pakistani of some stripe.
    Not even the most demented white leftwinger uses that sort of language – or has that sort of in depth fixation with the middle East.

  372. Yahya K. says:
    @German_reader

    I thought it was more like 50:50 Levantine: European (mostly south).

    Ashkenazi Jews are basically a Mediterranean people. Their two main genetic components: (a) Ancient Levantine and (b) Southern European (Iberian and Italian) are closely related to each other.

    From Razib Khan:

    First, the putative “parent” populations of Ashkenazi Jews are not that genetically distinct. Second, the hypothesized parental populations were often implausible; e.g., Northern Europeans and modern Levantines.

    The likely parental populations of Ashkenazi Jews are Roman period peoples of the eastern Mediterranean, particularly the swath of territory from Alexandria up to Anatolia, and, the peoples of the western Mediterranean. That is, Levantines and Iberians & Italians. These two groups are distinct, but they’re not that distinct.

    In the PCA they cluster closest to Greeks, Cypriots, Sicilians, Maltese, and Lebanese.

    Sirius’ going on about “European Jews” imo is just the standard leftie anti-Zionism, framing Zionism as just another European colonial movement (of course this ignores that many Israeli Jews actually come from places like Iraq or Morocco and had never been to Europe).

    You have to also remember that there are lots of ‘gentile white’ anti-Semites here who use the Israel-Palestine issue as a vehicle for their anti-Jewish hatred. Nothing to do with sympathy for Arabs or Palestinians. All crocodile tears.

  373. Yahya K. says:
    @songbird

    I find his use of the terms “Westerner” and “European Jews” quite odd. Frankly, the latter suggests an ethnic animus against Europeans.

    How so?

    Not to mention Arabs paid a high price to acquire additional European genes in the form of European women.

    The white slaves brought in were mainly from the caucasus, which is situated closer to Asian countries than the European ‘continent’ (which is itself a somewhat arbitrary cutoff from the Eurasian landmass).

    If you ask me, there is no more powerful antipathy than that which Jews hold towards Europeans.

    American Jews do seem to have antipathy towards the deplorables in the heartland. But lets face it, so do lots of UMC gentile whites. Seems to be a class issue as much as it is ethnic.

    Regarding Jewish antipathy to “Europeans”, I’m not too familiar with European Jews, but my understanding is that Jews living in places like Britain tend to vote right-wing and are not like American Jews at all. Likewise for Israeli Jews.

    Though whatever the case, my own biases aside, they are hardly kindred spirits or pro-European.

    Few people are pro-European, because most people do not see themselves as ‘European’, but as Americans, Germans, Hungarians, Poles, Russians and so forth. They will gladly fight other ‘Europeans’ if they got into a war with each other. And in fact did so not too long ago. Your boy Hitler even went so far as to kill a lot of Slavs, even though they are genetically very similar to Germans.

    The European identity mainly exists with two people: (a) EU elites and (b) white nationalists. Which is ironic, since both hate each others guts.

  374. German_reader says:
    @Yahya K.

    The white slaves brought in were mainly from the caucasus

    Until the Russians conquered Crimea, the Crimean Tartars went on wide-ranging slave raids throughout Eastern Europe:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean%E2%80%93Nogai_slave_raids_in_Eastern_Europe
    And Barbary pirates raided Southern Europe (and occasionally even more far-away places like Ireland, Britain and even Iceland).

    but my understanding is that Jews living in places like Britain tend to vote right-wing

    Kind of meaningless, the Tories have been in government for more than a decade, but have done nothing to bring down the absurdly high levels of immigration to Britain or to aggressively tackle issues like Pakistani gangs grooming English underclass girls for sex slavery. Instead they’re pandering to every ethnic minority imaginable and are of course highly deferential to Zionist lobbyists. And individual Jews in Britain have been quite prominent in race relations legislation and promotion of mass immigration (e.g. Blair’s immigration minister Barbara Roach).
    As for France, the other European country with a large Jewish minority, just look at Durocher’s archive, he has written about Jewish lobbies like CRIF and LICRA, and their influence on “hate speech” legislation etc.

    Few people are pro-European, because most people do not see themselves as ‘European’, but as Americans, Germans, Hungarians, Poles, Russians and so forth.

    That’s not completely wrong, but regional and national identities don’t exclude some sense of belonging to a wider over-arching identity. I think you mentioned you’re Egyptian, so I’d assume you have at least some sense of common identity with other Arabs, maybe even with the wider Islamic world.

    Your boy Hitler

    iirc songbird is Irish-American and has never indicated interest in attacking the Soviet Union to create a pan-Germanic empire, so how is Hitler “his” boy? These Nazi card accusations are tiresome.

    • Agree: songbird
    • Replies: @Yahya K.
  375. @silviosilver

    Nothing that happened after Israel’s creation was Britain and France’s fault. Sure, in the rearrangement of the post-Ottoman Levant they were pursuing their own interests (or rather, what they falsely perceived to be their interests), but that’s what countries do.

    Interesting bait-and-switch attempt. You begin by citing post-1948 history, then shift abruptly to the Mandate period.

    While true that Britain pursued its own interests, it’s also true that Britain made a Faustian bargain with Zionists in order to procure those interests. The Balfour Declaration and eventual creation of the geopolitical entity known as Israel was the price Britain paid for America’s entry into WWI. This is well documented in Alison Weir’s Against Our Better Judgment.

    For details into how Britain facilitated the rise of Israel, you can read Rashid Khalidi’s The Hundred Years’ War on Palestine. During the Mandate Period, Britain accorded to Jews rights of self-government that it denied to Palestinians. Again, the Faustian bargain.

    Now you say this isn’t immoral because, so many years after the fact, some Palestinians are now willing to accept a remnant of their homeland in return for an end to Israel’s occupation of it. In the same breath, you blame Israel for failure of the partition plan, which merely gives Israel a stick with which to beat you: How did Israel “fail” when its fight eventually brought about a result you consider to be moral?

    Sure, flexing muscle brings about results, but it’s insufficient a means of building healthy societies. That’s not “21st century eurofaggot” morality, it’s plain old common sense to anyone who studies history.

    I’m often struck by the lack of serious reflection on behalf of otherwise intelligent individuals here, many of whom appear entirely unconscious of the fact that they’re making Israel’s arguments for it.

    Small wonder Jews dominate the west.

  376. German_reader says:
    @AnonStarter

    Look, it’s really quite simple, I think many of the right-wing, Euro-identitarian commenters here would agree that the Palestinians have often been harshly and unfairly treated and that the standard Zionist narrative paints a rather selective picture, to put it mildly. But in the end it’s simply not our fight. And since pro-Palestinians are usually Islamophile left-wingers who think non-European mass immigration to Europe, Oceania etc. is totally fine and people who object to it are just ignorant haters who need to be suppressed, there is zero incentive for people like us to take a pro-Palestinian position. It would be absurd to care more about the rights of Palestinians than the rights of our own nations which are being rapidly dismantled and replaced.

  377. @German_reader

    But in the end it’s simply not our fight.

    In one sense, I understand this position. You want nothing to do with Jew-Arab contentions and would like them to remain as distant from you as possible.

    Yet the fact remains that Jewish power has made it our concern. We have a undeniably great share of responsibility for the creation and continued defense of the geopolitical parcel known as Israel. We’re also responsible for following the lead of its political action committees and policy makers, most of whom led America and other European countries by the nose to create continuing chaos in Muslim lands.

    On top of this, the campaign to silence criticism of Israeli policy has become viciously militant throughout the west, disfranchising or criminalizing individuals simply because they support a non-violent boycott to change policy. This campaign affects the rights of every one of us, striking at the very heart of our national constitutions.

    I certainly don’t think it’s necessary to impose upon any individual supporting Palestinian rights a requirement that they also support mass immigration from Muslim lands. This is a problem that arises when people feel obliged to align themselves with the entire platform of one or another political party, an obligation of which we are thankfully free.

    What we have to understand is that neutrality with respect to this conflict only empowers Israel, since our purported “representatives” certainly aren’t neutral about it and will continue to advance policies that engender further mistrust and hostility toward the west throughout the Muslim world, a world far larger than Israel itself. If we’re playing the long game, as we should, we should see that neutrality simply isn’t a reasonable position.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @Sirius
  378. Yahya K. says:
    @German_reader

    Until the Russians conquered Crimea, the Crimean Tartars went on wide-ranging slave raids throughout Eastern Europe:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean%E2%80%93Nogai_slave_raids_in_Eastern_Euro

    Your link mentions that Genoese and Venetian merchants we facilitators of this slave trade: “Genoese and Venetians merchants controlled the slave trade from Crimea to Western Europe.” And that they were purchased by various groups, including Greeks: “By day they were tormented with forced labor and at night kept in dungeons. Muslim, Armenians, Jews, and Greek traders all purchased Slavic slaves in Caffa.”

    iirc songbird is Irish-American and has never indicated interest in attacking the Soviet Union to create a pan-Germanic empire, so how is Hitler “his” boy?

    My bad. I always thought songbird was German, since he seemed so attached to Germany from my various interactions with him. I remember one time I brought Hitler up in a comment, and songbird took offense and accused me of trying to “score points” off of him and his group, even though my comment was not directed towards him nor was it even in reply to his moniker. So I assumed he must have at least been German to identify on some level with Hitler and take offense at his name being brought up. But I guess he is just a peculiar Irish-American who happens to identify with Germany and Hitler (not too many of those, but hey, to each his own).

    Re, Nazi accusations: many people here are in fact neo-Nazis. Just because they don’t like being called that, doesn’t mean they aren’t one. Its the same with all the racists who deny being racists, despite their obvious racism towards other groups of people. To be fair to songbird, at least he openly admits that he is a racist, so he is being honest.

    That’s not completely wrong, but regional and national identities don’t exclude some sense of belonging to a wider over-arching identity. I think you mentioned you’re Egyptian, so I’d assume you have at least some sense of common identity with other Arabs, maybe even with the wider Islamic world.

    I will concede that its reasonable to assume a pan-European identity exists in Europe, since the EU demonstrates that there is at least some form of attachment between the various European nations.

    But do Europeans identify with white Americans? Do Russians identify with Eurozone Europeans? Do Brazilians identify with any of the above mentioned? Do you think its appropriate to use the word “we” to describe whites across the world?

    I remember watching a video of a rally where Trump was ranting about Merkel and her refugee policy, and the crowd just stood there with blank faces and not a peep or sound. They couldn’t care less about what was happening in Germany.

    Germans on their part are reciprocating such feelings:

    BERLIN (Reuters) – Nearly 85 percent of Germans have a negative or very negative view of U.S.-German relations, and most want to put more distance between the traditionally close transaltantic allies, a new poll showed on Friday.

    Just over 40 percent of those polled view China as a better partner for Germany than the United States, the survey of around 5,000 people, conducted by Atlantik-Bruecke and the Civey institute in poll in November and December, showed.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @German_reader
  379. Talha says:
    @Yahya K.

    Genoese and Venetian merchants we facilitators of this slave trade

    Yup. The Venetians would sell their own mothers into slavery if they could for a penny. Those guys were something else.

    This page actually has a very nice summary of the various parties involved in the slave trade from that region:
    “Yet once the Latin and Arabic sources are examined together, it becomes clear that Christian and Muslim inhabitants of the Mediterranean shared a set of assumptions and practices that amounted to a common culture of slavery. These included the ideas that slavery was legal and socially acceptable, that slave status was based on religious difference, that religious difference could be at least partially articulated through linguistic and racial categories, and that slavery was a universal threat affecting all free people.”
    https://www.upenn.edu/pennpress/book/toc/16016_toc.html

    What’s interesting (though not mentioned here other than a glancing reference of “…the Mamluks preferred Black Sea slaves for military service…”) is that the Church actually tried to stop the Venetians and Genoese from selling slaves to Muslims because they knew they would basically be seeing those very same slaves in field armies facing them. But those merchants simply ignored the requests; money was too good. Around that timeframe, human beings were about the only thing of serious value to the Muslim world being shipped out of Europe.

    Wa salaam.

  380. German_reader says:
    @AnonStarter

    Yet the fact remains that Jewish power has made it our concern. We have a undeniably great share of responsibility for the creation and continued defense of the geopolitical parcel known as Israel. We’re also responsible for following the lead of its political action committees and policy makers, most of whom led America and other European countries by the nose to create continuing chaos in Muslim lands.

    You’re in the US which is totally one-sided in its support of Israel (shamelessly so under Trump). EU countries on the whole probably also do favour Israel, but they’ve also tried to give material aid to the Palestinians. There’s also far less enthusiasm in Europe for military interventions in the Islamic world than among some sections of the US public. So I don’t think your analysis applies to the same extent in Europe.
    I will admit that there’s a certain problem in many European right-wing parties with unthinking support for US hardline policies like the sanctions regime against Iran and for the state of Israel in general (often quite anachronistically depicted as an underdog deserving of unconditional support). Perversely the proponents of such views seem to believe such positions will make them more “respectable” and earn them support from the US and Zionists, which imo is delusional. My personal position is that the appropriate position for Europeans in the Israel/Palestine conflict is neutrality (unless both sides ask for European mediation, which is highly unlikely).

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  381. Sirius says:
    @AnonStarter

    Not to mention, that it’s not always just a neutral position we’re talking about. Here’s an AfD poster using none other than Benni’s son, Yair, as their poster boy.

    Now why would a racist, hard-line Zionist “Jewish Israeli” be so concerned about a united “Christian Europe” yet one in which the Schengen zone as well as the EU is abolished. And why would he consent to being the AfD’s poster boy? Does anyone get the feeling this is a con job?

    • Agree: AnonStarter
  382. German_reader says:
    @Yahya K.

    “Genoese and Venetians merchants controlled the slave trade from Crimea to Western Europe.”

    That was in the medieval period, the Italians were expelled from the Crimea and its trade in mid-late 15th century (and I’m not sure if they enslaved Christian Slavs, my assumption is their slaves were rather from non-Christian steppe peoples and the like, but I’d have to check). The later slave trade whose victims were Russians, Ukrainians and other Eastern Europeans was to the Ottoman empire and the Greeks, Armenians etc. you refer to were presumably Ottoman subjects.

    Re, Nazi accusations: many people here are in fact neo-Nazis.

    Since Unz review is primarily an antisemitic site and Ron Unz himself has argued in favour of Holocaust denial and a positive view of Hitler that’s hardly surprising. But in my experience the pro-Nazi commenters here are quite open about it.

    But do Europeans identify with white Americans? Do Russians identify with Eurozone Europeans? Do Brazilians identify with any of the above mentioned? Do you think its appropriate to use the word “we” to describe whites across the world?

    I have to admit that there’s a lot of truth in that. There are in fact severe fault lines in Europe too, e.g. many Poles seem to nourish a visceral hatred of Germany because of the WW2 occupation, southern Euros are hostile to Germans and Dutch (and vice versa) over “austerity” etc. Russians of course often regard themselves as a separate civilization or seem to be torn between a desire to belong to Europe and feelings of alienation mixed with superiority. As for Americans, sure, there’s a massive gulf in many ways, the mental world of many white Americans is very alien to me (and I would add that many of them aren’t just indifferent towards Europe, but actually strongly anti-European).
    It’s true that white nationalists often tend to downplay those very real distinctions and appeal to a fictive white unity that in reality doesn’t exist (in that respect identitarians can legitimately be criticized when they do ridiculous things like pretending they’re following the model of the ancient Spartans, as if there was some unbroken tradition). But there are also a lot of commonalities (not just on a racial level, but also culturally, predominantly indo-European languages, the classical heritage, Christian influence etc.). So I don’t think the “white world” is completely without substance either.

    • Agree: Yahya K.
    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @songbird
  383. Seraphim says:
    @Sirius

    This is the ‘official’ history. It was not Germany who ‘knocked Russia out of the war’, but the treasonous ‘revolution’.

  384. @German_reader

    But in the end it’s simply not our fight.

    I would say that our fight is against Zionism and globalism, and the Palestinians are in the forefront of the fight against Zionism. Also, the militant left has done far more to protest globalism whenever the leaders of the international cabal meet than those who write comments on websites.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-globalization_movement

    • Thanks: Iris
    • Replies: @AnonStarter
    , @Talha
  385. Ron Unz says:
    @German_reader

    Since Unz review is primarily an antisemitic site

    Is that really correct? I know that you or some other commenter has previously made that claim, but it seems pretty doubtful to me on empirical grounds.

    If you look on our Home page and restrict yourself to pieces published in the last thirty days, I think there are a total of roughly 100 articles and posts. Glancing over them, I doubt that even 10% focus on Jews/Israel, let alone in a highly-critical manner. In fact, if you exclude the ones by Philip Giraldi, the total might be less than 5%.

    Meanwhile, I think something like 70-80% of the top figures in President Biden’s Cabinet are Jewish. So is it so unreasonable to have 10% of our coverage roughly in that same subject-area?

    Admittedly, across virtually all other publications, Internet or otherwise, the percentage of articles substantially critical of Jews/Israel is always 0.000%. So using that as a benchmark, I suppose we’re certainly an “antisemitic” publication.

    But isn’t there that old story about all the delegates at Stalin’s conferences giving him endless, standing applause, and after five or ten minutes, one delegate finally got tired and sat down…then was immediately grabbed by the NKVD and thrown into the Gulag for having unmasked himself as “anti-Stalin”…

    • LOL: Bolteric
  386. @German_reader

    EU countries on the whole probably also do favour Israel, but they’ve also tried to give material aid to the Palestinians. There’s also far less enthusiasm in Europe for military interventions in the Islamic world than among some sections of the US public.

    Yes, Europe differs in some respects, though the fact that an octogenarian woman can languish in prison for skepticism of a historical record is a fairly good indication of where Europe stands in relation to Israel — which is to say, quite subordinated.

    The root of your problems is Jewish power, which most here also correctly associate with open borders legislation. Attacking that power directly in Europe won’t get you very far, but a limited coalition of right and left-wing individuals established strictly for the purpose of changing policy with respect to Israel is more likely to succeed in time, hence the Zionist fear of BDS.

    In the long run, you have to ask yourself if neutrality is really the best position while you’re represented on the world stage by de facto Zionists who, unopposed, offer Europe nothing more than a legacy of aiding and abetting murder, land theft, property destruction, and myriad other miseries. The Muslim world is projected to surpass about 25% of the world’s population in the near future, and our ambivalence will surely come at a steep price for our posterity.

  387. German_reader says:
    @Ron Unz

    Well, several contributors to this site (e.g. Kevin MacDonald, Andrew Joyce, Tobias Langdon) are pretty dedicated and explicit antisemites and their content is regularly featured prominently at the top of the site. Others like Philip Giraldi, Kevin Barrett and Gilad Atzmon are more moderate, but also focus strongly on the influence of Jewish lobbies and on Israel (there are also others like the Nation of Islam articles or Laurent Guyenot who strike me as antisemitic, but I haven’t read much of them, so can’t comment in detail). And you yourself have written articles about the (real or alleged) nefarious role of Jews in history (Bolshevism, murders of James Forrestal and the Kennedys and various other issues I already have forgotten about), advocated Holocaust denial (which pretty much necessitates belief in the existence of some vast and extremely powerful Jewish conspiracy) and even suggested that accusations of ritual murder by Jews are based on facts (as has Kevin MacDonald).
    So I think it’s just objectively true that there is a very strong focus on anti-Jewish material on Unz review, the closest thing to a Leitmotiv this site has imo.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  388. songbird says:
    @German_reader

    My theory about the more Nordic-looking Jews is that it is some combination of sexual selection and selective advantage in a Northern climate. So the traits are not proportional to percenage of autosomal DNA that comes from Northern Europeans. Some traits can actually be found in the ME, though they are rare. Estimates vary, but I think there is some politics in that. I would say 60% from the ME in about the last thousand years or so. And that is not counting Early-European Farmer, which progressives often label as Middle Eastern, as though it came from Iraq. Greece and Turkey is more like it, though some do define even Greece as the ME.

    I concur on the ethnic disclosures. If anything I would expand the requirement to any type of news media or the production of movies. It’s only logical to acknowledge that people have biases, and within certain circumstances, they are more important than a list of ingredients in food.

    Perhaps, I am an extremist, but I think it should be in surnames also. In 1911, there were Jews from Russia that took Gaelic Irish surnames in Ireland. I view this as being very wrong. Even when it is obvious, like American blacks that might have WASP names. I think they should be forced to choose African-derived surnames, in order to help build ethnocentrism in whites. And that it would help make a much healthier society and help fight blank-slatism, or this idea that anyone can be anyone.

  389. Ron Unz says:
    @German_reader

    Well, several contributors to this site (e.g. Kevin MacDonald, Andrew Joyce, Tobias Langdon) are pretty dedicated and explicit antisemites and their content is regularly featured prominently at the top of the site…So I think it’s just objectively true that there is a very strong focus on anti-Jewish material on Unz review, the closest thing to a Leitmotiv this site has imo.

    Well, that’s your opinion, but you haven’t addressed the point I made.

    During the last 30 days, we’ve published nearly 450 articles and posts. Suppose 10% dealt with Jews/Israel. That’s 45, which is quite a lot. Since you seem so extremely obsessed with Jews/Israel/Anti-Semitism, you focused on those and mostly ignored the other 400+, so to you, the website seems to share your obsessions.

    Just go ahead and prove me mistaken. Popular articles stay up on the Home page much longer, so just count up the Home page items that have been published in the last thirty days, and the subset dealing with Jews/Israel. Maybe I’m wrong and it’s actually much more than 10%. But since you’re the one who made the wild claim, you should make the effort to back it up.

    • Replies: @Not Only Wrathful
    , @A123
  390. songbird says:
    @Yahya K.

    The West, as a concept, has been under attack for several decades. As a result, the word “Westerner” is hardly used at all except in very specific circumstances. Namely, only when in the Far East and, in person, and even then usually with the modifier “white.” It doesn’t work anymore as a disclosure of ethnicity for someone not showing their face, or when talking about the ME.

    There are actually at least three types of Jews who have lived in Europe at times. Roman Jews, Ashkenazi, and Sephardic. If he means the second one, he should say it and not imply Jews lived in every country in Europe, rather than certain limited and specific areas, at certain times.

    Honestly, your frequent allusions to Hitler mystify me. You once brought up the specter of Nazism in Orban as though it applied, and Hungary was a serious power. If you don’t mind me saying so, your thinking here strikes me as very Jewish, and I have difficulty understanding why you would hold such a view. I believe Arabs, when they think of Hitler at all, view him in a neutral to positive light. Has that changed? Or have you attended some international school with non-Arab teachers? Or was it foreign TV and movies?

    Frankly, your views on Europeans being fractious fighters are about 80 years out of date. Nukes change things like that, as well as being invaded by hostile aliens. Or I could cite other factors. Do you think the English would allow a gay on their highest denomination bill, if they were full of battle lust to go after the French or Germans?

    • Replies: @Yahya K.
  391. songbird says:
    @German_reader

    As far as my understanding goes, Christians, like the Knights of St. John on Rhodes, could only capture Muslims as slaves and the reverse, or rather non-Muslims. The Christian capture of slaves wasn’t as large of a process. I believe they were mainly sought out for military purposes. To be used as rowers in galleys, which of course were naval vessels, important in the civilizational battle to control the Med and to protect Europe from invasion.

    There were at least two Dutch captains who were slave raiders in Europe. But they were basically renegade converts with Muslim crews and probably had been captured themselves. Probably there were a few nefarious Venetians or Genoese too.

    And I agree with what you said – raiding was widespread.

  392. @Commentator Mike

    I would say that our fight is against Zionism and globalism, and the Palestinians are in the forefront of the fight against Zionism.

    The least we can do:

    https://bdsmovement.net/get-involved/what-to-boycott

    Avoid goods with a barcode beginning with 729, or look for labeling that directly states a product was made in Israel.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  393. Yahya K. says:
    @songbird

    The West, as a concept, has been under attack for several decades. As a result, the word “Westerner” is hardly used at all except in very specific circumstances. Namely, only when in the Far East and, in person, and even then usually with the modifier “white.”

    The terms غرب (“West”/”Occident”) and غربي (“Westerner”) is used fairly commonly in the Arab world to refer to Europeans and North Americans. The term ‘white’ is not used in Arabic to refer to a race. I’m not sure why that is exactly. Possibly because the term ‘white’ is fairly peculiar to the American context and doesn’t really apply to the Arab world, where people have a spectrum of colours ranging from Assad-type white to Saddam-type swarthy to Sisi-type brown. Although, the term ‘black’ (أسود) is used to refer to Sub-Saharans, since they stand out more.

    You might enjoy this folk song about a young Palestinian wanting to immigrate to the West, but is ultimately convinced to stay in Palestine for the sake of his dear mother:

    O, elegant and tall one stop so I can tell you
    You are going abroad but your country is better for you
    I am afraid you will get established there
    And find someone else and forget me

    O, elegant and tall you are always smiling
    You are brought up in the love of your mum and dad
    O, elegant and tall, the day you left your home
    My hear grew grey and my back bent

    I believe Arabs, when they think of Hitler at all, view him in a neutral to positive light.

    That is correct. Most Arabs do view H in a neutral/positive light.

    I have difficulty understanding why you would hold such a view.

    What H did to the Jews is thoroughly evil and un-Islamic. If the Arab rabble approve of such nonsense merely because he did it to ‘our enemies’, then they have God to answer to.

    Or have you attended some international school with non-Arab teachers?

    I did in fact attend a British-run school (vestige of the colonial era) where my teachers were predominantly Brits of English, Irish and Scottish extraction, a few Americans, and some French ladies. Though their ideology was not woke at all. One of my history teachers was an obese Scotsman of Irish Catholic extraction (name was Jean-Paul) and he was an old-school Socialist of the labor movement sort. The times when he did express political views, it was mainly to denounce the “rich” and sometimes he even shamed us for the fact that many of our parents didn’t pay their fair share of taxes (probably true). One time I pointed out that if we paid our taxes, we wouldn’t have had enough to pay him his exorbitant salary. He took in stride.

    • Thanks: songbird
    • Replies: @songbird
  394. Talha says:
    @Commentator Mike

    the militant left has done far more to protest globalism whenever the leaders of the international cabal meet than those who write comments on websites.

    Very valid point and I’m glad you made it.

    The elite notice this particular aspect about the left and want to reign it in…it can be allowed to be militant on the culture wars, but not in other aspects:
    “Schools in England told not to use material from anti-capitalist groups
    Idea categorised as ‘extreme political stance’ equivalent to endorsing illegal activity”
    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2020/sep/27/uk-schools-told-not-to-use-anti-capitalist-material-in-teaching

    Peace.

    • Agree: Sirius
    • Thanks: Commentator Mike
    • Replies: @Sirius
  395. Anonymous[293] • Disclaimer says:
    @Yahya K.

    You’re half right on the EU and ‘white nationalist’ score, but all I have to say is this:

    The English people, a people I’m familiar with, never, ever accepted – or agreed to – the massive uncontrolled immigration which characterized the post WW2 period.
    Overwhelmingly they *HATED* it and expressed their repugnance for it. The real mystery here is that how, in a supposed democracy, the political class got away with it.

    Suffice to say Enoch Powell’s 1968 ‘Rivers of Blood’ speech caused the biggest popular impact of any political speech ever in the long long history of British politics.

    So really and truly this ‘white nationalist’ label you throw around is specious. The issue is and was popular mass anger and disgust about *MASSIVE* settler immigration (colonisation) by profoundly alien people – and the political arrogance and corruption which enabled it.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  396. Sirius says:
    @Ron Unz

    …an antisemitic site

    Since you’ve covered the characterization of the site part, I would like to address the term “anti-Semitic”.

    This is an inaccurate term at best, a highly misleading and extremely abused one at worst. Because Zionists have done their best to associate anti-Zionism with “anti-Semitism” on their way to making criticism of their ideology (or “Israel” itself) either heavily censored, heavily censured or even illegal, it is a term that merits examination.

    If Jews are to be considered a race or one ethnic group of people (I don’t, but obviously many people do), then anti-Jewish or “anti-Jewishism” would be more appropriate.

    Anti-Judaism would be appropriate if one is against the precepts of Judaism. Similarly, if one is against the teachings of the Talmud, anti-Talmudist would be more accurate.

    Then of course, there is anti-Zionism, which is opposition to the “Jewish” supremacist state in Palestine (or southern Syria in the pre-1920 definition).

    Somehow the right to keep one’s homeland and protect it from transformation and “ethnic cleansing” into a Zionist/Jewish homeland absurdly becomes a unique form of racism, “anti-Semitism” in the Zionist definition. The anti- or non-racist, self-defender becomes the racist attacker in this warped mindset.

    The problem with “anti-Semitism” as a term is that it has become a blanket term for many or all of the above. It also conjures up images of Hitler, Nazis and Auschwitz, which is precisely why Zionists and pro-Zionists love the term and want to expand its definition to include criticism of “Israel”.

    Also, being “Jewish” (as a follower of Jewish precepts) and “Zionist” can be considered in opposition to each other, as noted by Orthodox Jewish rabbis whom I’ve mentioned earlier. It makes use of “anti-Semitism” even more complicated. Is an Orthodox Jew who opposes the existence of “Israel” an “anti-Semite” too?

    Semitic is not strictly, or accurately, a racial term, since it originally refers to a group of languages. Thus, Arabic, Aramaic and Hebrew (and many others) are all Semitic languages. “Arabs” are considered Semites too. (“Arab” as well is another inaccurate term for ethnicity, based on a large multiethnic group that speaks native Arabic, but we can leave that for another day).

    So why should anyone, especially those victimized by the smear, use the term “anti-Semitism” anymore? Why should anyone accept the framing of our world with a terminology employed more in its misuse and abuse by Zionists and “Israelis” or supporters of either?

  397. Seraphim says:
    @Sirius

    ‘Connard’ would do as well. Merdeux? Enmerdeur en tout cas.

  398. Sirius says:
    @songbird

    Frankly, the latter [European Jews] suggests an ethnic animus against Europeans.

    Russian Jews, Polish Jews, Ukrainian Jews, Lithuanian Jews, German Jews, French Jews, English Jews and on and on. Don’t they collectively count as European Jews?

    Personally, I find it insulting.

    No insult intended. Not even perceived on my part.

    I find it puzzling why he doesn’t use the term “Ashkenazi.”

    Did you know that “Ashkenaz” came to mean Germany? In fact, Germany was referred to as “Eretz Ashkenaz” (“Watch out Germans! The Zionists may one day claim it!”–he said in a sarcastic voice). So it’s kind of inaccurate in my view.

    (As a footnote, “Sephardi” as in Sephardi Jews comes from “Sfarad” or “Sepharad”, which means Spain. Also inaccurate).

    So it’s your choice if you want to believe it’s some dark plan to undermine European identity or it’s just a description of convenience for the collective of Russian Jews, Polish Jews, etc.

    • Replies: @songbird
  399. Sirius says:
    @Talha

    From the article you referenced:

    Department for Education (DfE) guidance issued on Thursday for school leaders and teachers involved in setting the relationship, sex and health curriculum categorised anti-capitalism as an “extreme political stance” and equated it with opposition to freedom of speech, antisemitism and endorsement of illegal activity.

    Even anti-capitalism is equated with “anti-Semitism”?! See what I mean…?

    • Thanks: Iris
    • Replies: @Talha
  400. Anonymous[293] • Disclaimer says:

    As the old saying goes:

    ‘Why can’t you fight your own battles?’.

    Leave white people alone – both actually – in terms of trying a Zionist like colonisation of Europe, and by trying to bully them in doing your dirty political work for you.

    As I said before, I simply could not give a shit about the entire ‘middle east’ and its people.

    It says it all that a thread which was intended to bemoan the Great Replacement of Europe has been hijacked – just like European nations have – into a generalized rant about non European self interests, ironic as Europeans are supposed to celebrate their own displacement and extinction.
    Absurd and bizarre and fucked up – just like the ongoing invasion of Europe, in which Europeans are as dumb stupid and helpless as a rabbit before a weasel.

  401. Anonymous[293] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    The real point is that the massive settler immigration of profound racial aliens into Europe is, historically speaking, a very recent phenomenon, and therefore a coherent ‘pan European nationalist’ response hasn’t had sufficient time to establish itself.
    Also the fact that this colonisation has proceeded at very different rates across national European boundaries, indeed it hasn’t yet infected eastern Europe.

    All in all the Great Replacement is purely and simply a political phenomenon brought about politicians either too cowardly too stupid too corrupt or too evil to act. It is symptom of a political stitch up.

  402. @Ron Unz

    Is there a single bad thing in this world that your writers haven’t held the Jews responsible for?

    Even according to their different definitions of “bad things”!

  403. German_reader says:
    @Sirius

    Somehow the right to keep one’s homeland and protect it from transformation

    Highly ironic given all your efforts in this thread to demonize opposition by Europeans against the ongoing transformation of their countries through mass immigration.

    It also conjures up images of Hitler, Nazis and Auschwitz, which is precisely why Zionists and pro-Zionists love the term and want to expand its definition to include criticism of “Israel”.

    lol, do you realize that Ron Unz himself has written several articles arguing that a) the Holocaust didn’t happen (so it’s basically a myth or a hoax concocted by a Jewish conspiracy to advance Jewish interests) and b) Hitler was actually a decent guy who just wanted to protect Europe from Bolshevism?
    You must be even dimmer than I thought, posting on a site whose proprietor himself is sympathetic to such neo-Nazi “revisionism” and where plenty of contributors and commenters regard Jews as a uniquely nefarious group (who presumably should be dealt with in unique ways, though they never go into specifics about this), and then you come whining about how people are unfairly conflating antisemitism and anti-Zionism!
    (and that’s the last from me in this thread, have work to do).

    • Replies: @Sirius
    , @AaronB
  404. Anon[182] • Disclaimer says:

    Zionism is cut from the same cloth as Nazism and Bolshevism, and cut by the same hand – the Anglo-American banking establishment. Insider Anthony C. Sutton has documented this quite well, as has Bill Clinton mentor Carroll Quigley. Zionism is really a bizarre parody of Nazism, right down to the tribal “master race” fantasy, the concentration camps, and the internal, hated, ethnic “other.” Israel was created with an alliance between Nazis and self-hating, atheist, Zionist Jews – Nazi troop ships brought whole Jewish factories and villages to Palestine before the war. They betrayed the observant Jews of Europe. But yes, Mossad works with the CIA to do these false flags. They also fund and run ISIS with the Paedo-gon. Wahabists in Saudia Arabia are in league with them, because they wish to wipe out all other sects of Islam. Israel is left alone, you’ll notice. ISIS never even mentions them. Likewise, they never attack oil rich nations allied with the USA. Only those oil-rich nations that have their own financial system, that stand apart from – the banking establishment. The first thing they did in Libya was to airlift out the gold reserves, and install a Rothschild central bank.

    The Zionist West created Israeli Secret Intelligence Service ISIS to demonize Islam and Muslims.
    The Zionist West has a history of making mockery of the Creator of Heaven’s and earth.
    These are the same godless people whose ancestor’s have killed messenger’s of God that were sent to remind humanity to live by the Shari’ah TEN Commandments.
    But instead they have deviated by engaging in false flag hoaxes such as 9-11, Boston Marathon, London 7-7-7, Paris false flags.
    The have removed the institution of family and decency by legalizing homosexuality, pornography, gambling, Adultery, fraudulent money and outright criminal wars based on Weapons of Mass Deception.

  405. @Sirius

    GR’s characterization of anti-Semitism is another example of how thoroughly Zionist indoctrination has permeated the west.

    The majority of writers and content he’s listed simply don’t fit the definition of “anti-Jewish.” What’s more, it’s as if he never bothered to read most of what he alludes to, citing Kevin MacDonald rather than Ariel Toaff as the source of the claim that accusations of ritual murder by Jews are based on historical fact.

    Which they are. Is the son of the former Chief Rabbi of Rome and professor of Medieval and Renaissance history now an anti-Semite?

    • Replies: @Iris
  406. @AnonStarter

    Thanks. I was BDS long before I ever heard of BDS. In my youth, I heard of some other youths who used to go around supermarkets injecting unpleasant substances into Jaffa oranges from loaded syringes hidden in their pockets. I didn’t approve of these extreme actions, and I have no idea what they injected, it could have been anything from laxatives to rat poison, but it taught me to stay well clear of such products. I would have preferred picketing or petitions myself.

    • Thanks: AnonStarter
  407. Talha says:
    @Sirius

    Anti-Semitism seems to be the gold standard by which all other ideologies are measured. Just like how, if they want to replace some guy like Saddam or Qaddafi, they have to equate him to Hitler, the other gold standard.

    Peace.

    • Agree: Commentator Mike
  408. Iris says:
    @AnonStarter

    GR’s characterization of anti-Semitism is another example of how thoroughly Zionist indoctrination has permeated the west.

    That is assuming that “German Reader” is really a German reader.

    Since approximately the 2008 Great Financial Crisis and its insidious but terrible socio-economic impact on people’s lives, Europe has seen the rise of populist parties, going in parallel with the noticeable U-turn made by the Zionist oligarchy towards them.

    The Zionist oligarchy, who historically always tries to infiltrate and control the opposition, understood the inevitability of the populist wave and its anti-globalisation underlying content, and decided to ride it.

    The engineering of Islamophobia is actively managed by the Zionists, with the European Identitarian puppets and useful idiots put at the forefront as a fig leaf. In France, we ironically call this National-Zionism, with arch-Zionist Eric Zemmour being its flag-bearer. Comment 386 by Sirius was spot on.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
    , @Sirius
  409. @Iris

    The engineering of Islamophobia is actively managed by the Zionists, with the European Identitarian puppets and useful idiots put at the forefront as a fig leaf.

    Agreed.

    It requires a profound degree of cognitive dissonance to deny that the objectives of the anti-Islam movement coalesce with those of Zionism.

  410. Sirius says:
    @German_reader

    Actually, your mind is on a single track, unable to play more than one.

    The images of Hitler, Nazis and Auschwitz, whether or not Ron Unz is a denier or not, are uniformly bad in mass media and Western cultures. That’s all I was saying.

    All the other stuff you wrote is your continuing misinterpretation of what I said. I really don’t want immigrants taking over your country. I can say it till I’m blue in the face and you still won’t get it.

  411. AaronB says:
    @German_reader

    Actually, this site and Ron Unz has done a better job of making the case that anti-Zionism is just cover for anti-Semitism better than anyone else could have 🙂

    I myself used to make a distinction between the two, but its remarkable how in every case, fierce opposition to Zionism per se (not just opposition to Israeli policies) ends up being a cover for anti-Semitism.

    AnonStarter likes to present himself as merely an anti-Zionist – but then you discover that he believes Jews are a wicked people who lied and falsified their scriptures in order to interfere with the rise of Islam. Quelle surprise.

    And then all the neo-Nazis on this site of course.

    As for Sirius, he isn’t a naive Western liberal. He gets involved in extremely in depth discussions on arcane aspects of Middle Eastern and especially Levantine culture, and isn’t just anti-Zionist but is another one who think Judaism itself is some kind of evil sect.

    He’s some sort of Lebanese or has some sort of strong connection to that region, and is just trying to convince Westerners to unite with him against Jews and Israel – and of course, to allow his co-ethnics to flood their countries 🙂

    I think this is the problem when people drink their own kool-aid. He genuinely thinks Westerners are idiots easily manipulated by Jews (instead of having reached the current cultural morass through a complicated process involving the Enlightenment, as well as Jews), so he thinks why shouldn’t he try his hand at manipulating you guys into uniting with Arabs against the Jews?

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
    , @Sirius
  412. @AaronB

    You should really use the “anti-Jewish” term when referring to semitic Arabs and pro-semitic pro-Arabs who condemn Jews and their practices. When someone is anti-Arab, or anti-Muslim, you don’t use “anti-semite” which could be just as appropriate.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @AaronB
  413. Talha says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Useful distribution of various Semitic peoples and languages:

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Sirius
  414. AaronB says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Anti-Semitism was a term created in the 19th century, when Jews were the only significant minority facing prejudice in Europe.

    I really don’t know why they chose the word Semitic – probably to sound more abstract and acientific, and thus make it more euphemistic.

    Anyways, today it has a lot of cultural associations with it, so most people prefer to keep it.

    I prefer “Jew hatred” as more visceral and honest and effective. I don’t like euphemisms.

  415. songbird says:
    @Sirius

    Russian Jews, Polish Jews, Ukrainian Jews, Lithuanian Jews, German Jews, French Jews, English Jews and on and on. Don’t they collectively count as European Jews?

    Aren’t the Ashkenazim basically the genetic equivalent of third cousins to each other? They are more interrelated than some European national groups. I don’t see the point of concatenating them to different European national groups, and dividing them by these geographic or linguistic concatenations, as though they share heritage, have sympathies or loyalties to these groups, or as though these groups ever welcomed them into their countries.

    What’s more, I think by this time, in 2021, we have enough observational evidence to say that this sort of approach of allowing for counterfeit identities just leads to boundless insanities.

    Are you aware that the Boers landed in South Africa, before Cromwell invited Jews into England? And they didn’t call themselves the “San Dutch” or the “Zulu Dutch.” I might add that most of the Jews living in England came rather recently from Russia, to which place they were not native either. Are they “Russian Jews” or “English Jews?” Or “Polish-Lithuanian Jews?”

    And Cromwell was a radical revolutionary, a regicide, a dictator, who invited them in to get money for his regime. Previously, he also made money by invading Ireland and stealing the lands of my ancestors and exiling them, under pain of death, into less than 10% of their own native country. They had to carry passes with their physical descriptions them, when traveling the roads of their own country, to their destination of exile. They expired after a certain date, and weren’t allowed to live in any town, on the coast, or near the Shannon.

    Cromwell killed about 25% of the population of Ireland, at a minimum. The contemporary estimate of his secretary who traveled extensively in Ireland was 40%. But you are saying that villain, that killer of women and children, could give Jews imprimatur? That since they were his allies, his financial backers, that makes them “English?” And I suppose you would say the ones who move to Ireland are “Irish Jews?” Let me tell you that they financed more than one invasion of Ireland, with disastrous consequences for the people – and they are still promoting invasion and dispossession.

    And “Russian Jews?” Are they the “Russians” that killed a few million other Russians? And the “Ukrainian Jews”, I guess they killed a few million of their fellow Ukrainians too? All some misunderstanding I am sure… And how they still revile Russians, today! It is simply incredible.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
    , @Sirius
    , @Seraphim
  416. Sirius says:
    @AaronB

    and isn’t just anti-Zionist but is another one who think Judaism itself is some kind of evil sect.

    Oh yeah? When did I ever say Judaism was evil? I have plenty of comments on this site. If you’ve been carefully monitoring me (which wouldn’t be a surprise) I challenge you to quote one.

    just trying to convince Westerners to unite with him against Jews and Israel –

    You’re projecting here. Note my comment #386 to see who is trying to do exactly the opposite, namely to convince Westerners to fight Muslims and the entire Islamic world in perpetuity just to support the racist Zionist project and your phoney state. The anti-immigrant debate seems to me part of it, especially when I see the ZIonist-AfD alliance.

    “Israel” couldn’t last a month without the generosity of the US and Europe, nor could have since 1948.

    So take my ultra concise historical chronology at #324, add all the Western (mostly US) interventions since then (Iraq, Syria, Libya, etc.), and see who’s been fighting on whose behalf.

    I’d like nothing more than to see the stopping of my tax money and everyone else’s to support your absurd Zionist cause and your absurd Zionist state, not to mention all the preferential trade benefits and arms grants.

    To add to all that, your “neo-con” Zionists are sending us into another confrontation with Russia, but that is also a topic for another day. Anything to get everyone to fight each other, risking the security of the entire world and hoping “Israel” comes out on top: that’s Zionism for you.

    fierce opposition to Zionism per se (not just opposition to Israeli policies) ends up being a cover for anti-Semitism.

    Thanks for proving my point on the charge of “anti-Semitism”. I knew that was going to come up at some point. When you can find any real evidence and not phoney allegations, let me know.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  417. Seraphim says:
    @songbird

    Speaking of ‘Russian’, ‘Polish’ etc- Jews is obfuscating. One should talk of ‘Jews from Russia’, ‘Jews from Poland’, ‘Jews from Ukraine, Lithuania…France, Germany’, etc. ‘Jews from Europe’, Jews from America…Iraq, Iran, etc.

    • Agree: songbird
  418. songbird says:
    @Yahya K.

    One of my history teachers was an obese Scotsman of Irish Catholic extraction (name was Jean-Paul) and he was an old-school Socialist of the labor movement sort. The times when he did express political views, it was mainly to denounce the “rich”

    From what I hear, it seems as though Irish people in Britain tend to be more leftwing. I find it very curious.

    One theory might be that they are mainly descended from laborers (lowest social rung), as opposed to tenant farmers. Though, curiously, from what stats I have seen, they seem about equal to British people in school performance. (excepting the much rarer Irish Travelers who are a still lower class, as they never maintained fixed homes)

    What H did to the Jews is thoroughly evil and un-Islamic.

    I’m not much of a revisionist

    [MORE]
    (though I’d say 6 million is probably a bit too high.) My particular view is that it probably would not have happened, under many different scenarios: England declares peace, or the US breaks the blockade (I believe blockades were still illegal under international law), or provides transport for Jews (significantly cheaper than the war), or (possibly even) the US doesn’t invade Europe. (actually most of the killing happened after D-Day)

    But I’m not remotely an apologist for or a fan of Hitler.

    Yet, despite that, there’s something really weird about how the narrative of the war has changed over the years. When they were fighting it, it wasn’t about the Jews, at least not on the surface. The propaganda wasn’t about “racism” or “antisemites” – actually, the people fighting it on both sides were racists and probably what would now be called “antisemites.” Nobody even heard the word “Holocaust” in that context. It was a word that only started to be promoted, after the Six-Day War. Since then, it has really taken off, and been ever-expanding.

    Jews now seem to use it as their core social identity – the cultural glue that holds them together. And they export it to where-ever they live, trying to build monuments to it in the most prominent spaces of other people’s countries, where it didn’t take place, like in front of British Parliament or in Downtown Boston – a city in the US that was originally characterized as being a kind of sacred birthplace for American freedom. They use it to try to get money out of Poland – a country extremely brutalized in the war, and occupied for decades.

    There is something pretty weird about that, and I think it has been promoted to unhealthy levels, if it allows Jews to be totally above criticism, and if it makes Germans (and by extension other Europeans) totally unable to give criticism to other groups. It would make me very sad to see the same thing done to the Japanese, and they were arguably even more barbaric at that time.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  419. Sirius says:
    @songbird

    Plenty of interesting points you raise here. It’s all a question of identity really, which fits in nicely with the whole debate here. It would take me a considerable amount of time to address all of them carefully, so let me boil it down to a few:

    1. Can one be both Jewish and any of these nationalities in your view? Karl Marx had German Jewish origins for example but wasn’t Jewish as he was baptized. Does that make him German or more German?

    Same thing with Benjamin Disraeli with regard to England.

    2. Are you equating Russian with Christian, or even specifically Orthodox Christian? If a Russian converts to any other religion (say Judaism or Islam), does he/she cease to be Russian? This could be carried forward to any other of the nationalities mentioned.

    3. You mentioned “Zulu Dutch”. Not exactly analogous. There wasn’t a Zulu state per se nor did the Boers adopt the Zulu language and customs. They did interestingly call their form of the Dutch language Afrikaans however. Could they not be referred to accurately as South African Dutch?

    4. Can one adopt the language and customs of a country but not the majority religion and become a member of that group, or at least their descendants becoming members? Or in other words, can one assimilate without adopting the majority religion? (I understand that there is a presumption of wanting to assimilate or not).

    For example, and to bring us back to one of the implicit topics of the original article: Can a French person be Muslim or Jewish or anything else non-Christian and remain French? Is being Catholic part of being French? (I wish I could ask the Huguenots who ended up in Prussia). I could ask the same of Ireland.

    These are all complicated topics of identity.

    • Replies: @songbird
  420. Seraphim says:
    @songbird

    At the time of Cromwell, his ‘financial backers and allies’ were still ‘Dutch’, i.e. Sephardi Jews from Netherlands.

    • Replies: @songbird
  421. German_reader says:
    @songbird

    actually most of the killing happened after D-Day

    No, most of it happened in 1941/42, iirc two thirds of Jews killed in the Holocaust were already dead by the end of the latter year (pretty much all Jews in Poland+occupied Soviet Union)

    The propaganda wasn’t about “racism” or “antisemites” – actually, the people fighting it on both sides were racists and probably what would now be called “antisemites.”

    I’m not sure that’s totally true. I’m currently reading John Dower’s War without mercy: Race and power in the Pacific war. It’s kind of annoying in its antiracism, much of the book is about how many Americans and British viewed the Japanese as subhuman vermin, and he puts it in a continuum with centuries of “white supremacy” (also gets on my nerves how he draws a contrast with views on Germany, when you read Dower you could think nobody in the US and UK ever believed in German collective guilt, and in the long run of course Germany has turned out to be far more demonized than Japan ever was). But it’s interesting insofar as it touches upon how much of modern antiracism was already in existence back then among progressives, e.g. Franz Boas’ disciples in anthropology like Ruth Benedict (Association of American anthropologists already stated back in 1938 that there were no differences in intelligence between races). There’s also a discussion about how Chinese exclusion came under attack (Christian groups played a prominent role apparently) and how it was argued that the US needed to relax its immigration laws and shed its racial arrogance, kind of a prelude to what then happened on a larger scale during the Cold War.
    Few people would probably have foreseen the world of today, but the roots of it were already discernible back then.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @songbird
  422. @Sirius

    The down-low on Aaron after 3+ years of experience with him:

    Aaron lies about posters habitually and consciously with the intent to incite their anger. Incapable of presenting a convincing case for Zionism, libel has become his final refuge. It’s a desperate effort to make us feel the rage and frustration he surely experiences when, deep down, he can’t escape the awful truth of his own indefensible position.

    Frankly, I can’t help but feel some pity for the poor guy.

    Take, for example, his latest foray against me in the post to which you’ve responded:

    AnonStarter likes to present himself as merely an anti-Zionist – but then you discover that he believes Jews are a wicked people who lied and falsified their scriptures in order to interfere with the rise of Islam.

    Now, Aaron knows this is a lie. He’s repeated it more than once, and I’ve explained myself far more than once, yet he continues apace, as if nothing of the kind ever happened. Upthread, he not only lied about my words concerning Nasser, his anger made him forget what thread he was in. smh

    Of course, there’s a difference between this and responding to a verifiable claim, but it seems that Aaron, having lost on the issues, now prefers the dishonest personal attack.

    • Replies: @I'm Tyrone
    , @Sirius
  423. German_reader says:
    @German_reader

    Also how the war effort was linked to calls for black civil rights at home:

    [MORE]

    The conflict in Asia itself provided several sometimes contradictory models for black leaders, including the example of Japanese militance, the inspiration of Chinese resistance against the Japanese, and the tactics of nonviolent resistance exemplified by Gandhi in his struggle against British colonial rule in India. But the “good war” against the oppressive Axis powers was inspiration enough in itself for many American blacks, and campaigns for civil rights were organized during the war under such slogans as “Double Victory,” “Victory at Home as Well as Abroad,” and “Defeat Hitler, Mussolini and Hirohito by Enforcing the Constitution and Abolishing Jim Crow.” A well-publicized civil rights rally at Madison Square Garden in June 1942, attended by eighteen thousand persons, provided an example of what such slogans meant to many blacks. The highlight of the evening was a skit in which a black man who had just been drafted had the following lines: “I want you to know I ain’t afraid. I don’t mind fighting. I’ll fight Hitler, Mussolini and the Japs all at the same time, but I’m telling you I’ll give those crackers down South the same damn medicine.” There was, it was reported, “bedlam” when these words were spoken, and the audience called for the actor to repeat them.

  424. songbird says:
    @Sirius

    Mostly, I don’t concern myself with the weeds of identity. I’m mainly worried about immigration, and my suggested solution (which I view as quite sensible, but would be considered radical, probably anywhere) is passports that use genetic distance. With some other requirements added.

    Can one be both Jewish and any of these nationalities in your view?

    Mostly, no. Jews have exceptional characteristics that make them exceptional people. These go beyond purely cultural factors, and have to do with how over hundreds of years, the less enthusiastic left their society and outmarried or were killed as apostates, by other Jews.

    Same thing with Benjamin Disraeli with regard to England.

    IMO, you don’t want to have a head of state named “Disraeli.” He will have biases. At a bare minimum, dual loyalties.

    [MORE]

    You mentioned “Zulu Dutch”. Not exactly analogous. There wasn’t a Zulu state per se nor did the Boers adopt the Zulu language and customs.

    A Zulu state is debatable. I would not argue for it, but some do, on the grounds that it had new principles of organization that allowed it to become vastly larger than pre-existing local systems. I concede your point that there is a state-level bias, in the appropriation of names, but, in my view, that doesn’t make it morally just or even grammatical.

    Note that there is no “English parliament” – and the country is called the UK. And England in geographic terms, is very small compared to some American states that people take as identifiers (i.e. Texan, Californian). And, anyway, if it was the accent, there are a variety of diverse native dialects in England not duplicated by Londoners or other urban dwellers, and why does it not apply to other English-speaking counties as an identifier for newcomers? And we’ve seen recently arrived Africans are called “English.”

    Could they not be referred to accurately as South African Dutch?

    The best word for the Boers is “Boers” because, by and large, they are not simply Dutch living in another place, but Dutch with small amounts of Bushmen, Malay, and even Bantu DNA, with their own variant language. They have undergone their own ethnogenesis. But “South African” is not a ethno-national concept and never was. It was created by whites, had boundaries joining some of the most genetically distant people in the world. And the only difference between the largest group, the Bantu and the whites, was that they came afoot, rather than by sail. And “African” is not even an African word.

    I view religion as very important. Even small divisions between Catholic and Protestant were used as wedge issues in different countries to promote secularization. If you want to find pozzed religious messages, you have only to find some ecumenical group that unites different faiths. Broadly speaking, they will not have strong, moral values that could offend some people.

    That religion seems to have declined in importance is only due to secularization – it is immutably important. Though it is difficult to recreate the old community spirit, where God, Mary, and Jesus were evoked when strangers met on the road.

    • Replies: @Yahya K.
  425. songbird says:
    @German_reader

    No, most of it happened in 1941/42, iirc two thirds of Jews killed in the Holocaust were already dead by the end of the latter year (pretty much all Jews in Poland+occupied Soviet Union)

    My mistake, I thought I had read something different in Pat Buchanan’s book, years ago, but he doesn’t seem to make a sharp distinction from you:

    [MORE]

    That Hitler was a rabid anti-Semite is undeniable. “Mein Kampf” is saturated in anti-Semitism. The Nuremberg Laws confirm it. But for the six years before Britain declared war, there was no Holocaust, and for two years after the war began, there was no Holocaust.

    Not until midwinter 1942 was the Wannsee Conference held, where the Final Solution was on the table.

    That conference was not convened until Hitler had been halted in Russia, was at war with America and sensed doom was inevitable. Then the trains began to roll.

    Though, I still believe his basic premise is probably right: no war with England, no Holocaust.
    _____
    I believe the American regime and many American elites were already anti-racist. But I am mainly talking about the middle class and working classes. I’ve heard firsthand and secondhand from reliable sources. Such things that at the beach where my family had a summer cottage, the community did not rent or sell to Jews. My father’s highly urban neighborhood not many miles from Harvard had a large scale-protest against any blacks being allowed to live on the street.

    I agree with James Burnham that liberalism had an arc lasting hundreds of years long to increasing equality. War always seems to increase the state, and the state is the tool for promoting equality. Probably the war also sped things up in various ways – for instance, bringing blacks into Europe, who then miscegenated with single mothers. But I think antiracism was really a product of migration and inevitable with migration.

    First of the colonial empires, administered by whites. Next of Jews who migrated to American cities after 1890. (I wonder what would have happened if they had migrated to the South and stayed there) Then of blacks to Northern cities in the Great Migration – that’s when it went nuclear.

    The South was basically a one party state without any cities of any great size. In the North, there was city versus rural dynamic. Opposition politics led the Democrats to form coalitions of all the newcomers – immigrants and blacks, as a growth strategy. And the model was copied elsewhere.

    Perhaps, Gypsies would have been enough to set the whole thing off, and it could have happened without any colonies.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  426. songbird says:
    @Seraphim

    Yes, Holland is really where capitalism took off, and Cromwell wanted to copy it. It seems to be a vindication of Nick Land’s theory that capitalism is a runaway process, like removing the control rods from a nuclear reactor.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  427. German_reader says:
    @songbird

    Though, I still believe his basic premise is probably right: no war with England, no Holocaust.

    [MORE]

    The attack on the Soviet Union was the point when the anti-Jewish policy escalated into mass murder, first by mass shootings of Jewish men, then of women and children too. The assumption that Jews were the main force behind Bolshevism and that eliminating them would help collapse the Soviet state certainly played a large role.
    America entering the war also played a role, because Hitler and other Nazi leaders seem to have been convinced it was due to Jewish machinations (tying back to Hitler’s 1939 prediction that it would be the end of Jewry in Europe if Jews brought about a world war), so in their view there was no reason for restraint anymore. It had still been different in 1940 when Himmler and Heydrich seriously thought about the Madagascar project, that is shipping Jews to Madagascar, where they would live under SS supervision with some autonomy, basically as hostages to prevent US entry into the war. At that point Himmler even stated that physically exterminating an entire people would be un-Germanic and something only Bolsheviks would do.

    But I am mainly talking about the middle class and working classes.

    Sure, it’s about the opinion of political, academic and media elites. But unfortunately that’s what matters most in modern Western societies.
    tbh I’ve been struck by how some of those antiracist ideas seem to have existed in the US even in the mid-19th century, already then you have people like Whitman and Thoreau who fantasized about all races and creeds of mankind mixing in America and producing some new civilization. And then of course radical abolitionists and the radical Republicans during Reconstruction (e.g. Thaddeus Stevens was quite fanatical about racial integration of the school system). So the seeds for that kind of thinking have been there for a long time.

    • Replies: @Yahya K.
    , @songbird
  428. Seraphim says:
    @songbird

    It really took off after the massive influx of Sephards from Spain and Portugal.

    • Replies: @songbird
  429. @AnonStarter

    Aaron is the type of person whom the Quran refers to as “Mischief makers”. Their goal is to spread discord, corruption, and promote enmity. They are the polar opposite of what Jesus described as the peacemakers.

    • Agree: AnonStarter
  430. Yahya K. says:
    @songbird

    I’m mainly worried about immigration, and my suggested solution (which I view as quite sensible, but would be considered radical, probably anywhere) is passports that use genetic distance.

    I’m not sure if that’s going work out as you intend. Lefties could easily use the genetic distance argument to let in a whole bunch of Near Easterners, Central Asians and to a lesser extent South Asians into Europe, since West Eurasian groups are genetically closely related. David Reich pointed that out in Who We Are and How We Got Here:

    Today, the peoples of West Eurasia—the vast region spanning Europe, the Near East, and much of central Asia—are genetically highly similar. The physical similarity of West Eurasian populations was recognized in the eighteenth century by scholars who classified the people of West Eurasia as “Caucasoids” to differentiate them from East Asian “Mongoloids,” sub-Saharan African “Negroids,” and “Australoids” of Australia and New Guinea.

    And of course there is overlap between the four. PCA Chart:

    I am not sure if genetic relatedness is useful in of itself either. Would you rather have a 90IQ Arab immigrate to your country, or a 106IQ East Asian? The Arab will be closer to you genetically, but the Asian seems to be more desirable as an immigrant, no? Better yet, would you rather a 95IQ Polish peasant immigrate, or a 130IQ Brahmin Indian?

  431. Yahya K. says:
    @German_reader

    The highlight of the evening was a skit in which a black man who had just been drafted had the following lines: “I want you to know I ain’t afraid. I don’t mind fighting. I’ll fight Hitler, Mussolini and the Japs all at the same time, but I’m telling you I’ll give those crackers down South the same damn medicine.”

    This is inspiring.

    bh I’ve been struck by how some of those antiracist ideas seem to have existed in the US even in the mid-19th century, already then you have people like Whitman and Thoreau who fantasized about all races and creeds of mankind mixing in America and producing some new civilization. And then of course radical abolitionists and the radical Republicans during Reconstruction (e.g. Thaddeus Stevens was quite fanatical about racial integration of the school system). So the seeds for that kind of thinking have been there for a long time.

    I think a distinction needs to be made between pre-modern anti-racism and modern anti-racism. The former was perfectly legitimate and grounded in very real oppression and injustice rooted in the legal system. The latter – woke anti-racism – is just a bunch of hoeey about invented ‘oppressions’ towards minorities and LGBT that has no basis in reality. Its also rather demented in its anti-white hatred, which the earlier anti-racist movements lacked. If Whitman and Thoreau were for race-mixing, its probably not because they wanted “white people to die”, as the NYT hopes for nowadays.

  432. @Yahya K.

    I am not sure if genetic relatedness is useful in of itself either.

    Genetic relatedness could be useful if it is desirable and serves your purpose. If a country like Brazil wants to increase the proportion of whites in its population the sensible thing to do is to invite Poles rather than Brahman Indians,Arabs or Asians.

  433. Sirius says:

    you don’t want to have a head of state named “Disraeli.” He will have biases. At a bare minimum, dual loyalties.

    Well, judging by Netanyahu’s performance, you probably don’t want to have a head of government named “Benjamin” either. Joking aside though, from what I know of Disraeli, I didn’t see any dual loyalties, there was no political Zionist movement at the time, and his father had him baptized at an early age as an Anglican. Disraeli even entered English nobility if I’m not mistaken.

    And “African” is not even an African word.

    Well, Europe isn’t really a European word, is it? Many scholars trace it to Phoenician (and Phoenician itself is not a Phoenician word), or an even more distant Semitic root, though Greek often gets credited for it. It was Greek usage that passed the distinction between “Europe” and “Asia” (which was originally meant just Asia Minor) to future generations. Africa only meant an area approximating today’s Tunisia and Libya until about the Middle Ages when it was expanded.

    So, to reapply Shakespeare: “What’s in a name?” Someone mentioned Jews from Russia rather than Russian Jews. Well, maybe, but does it really matter that much?

    I know you said you’re concerned mostly with immigration, but it still goes back to identity in my view. You probably wouldn’t be too worried if some Irish Americans moved to Ireland (which the Irish government currently gives preference to). There are 25-30 million Irish Americans and only 6.5 million citizens of Ireland, so I’m pretty sure you wouldn’t want too many of them at once.

    No one picked up on my point about whether French need to be Catholic to be French probably because (the Huguenot experience notwithstanding) it’s not easy to answer, considering France’s secularization for the past 200 or so years. It’s something Mr. Durocher should address (if he hasn’t already, I don’t know) since he is so concerned with French Muslims, or “Muslims of France”, whatever nomenclature one wishes to use.

    Rather than argue, “these people can’t be French because _____”, a negative argument, it is important to propose the positive: “I am French because _____”. If it’s going to be about bloodlines, that could get quite nasty, and I think we have good historical precedence on that one.

    If it came down to appreciation of cheese or wine, I could certainly qualify! (Sorry, I can’t help but joke a bit with these serious topics).

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @songbird
  434. Sirius says:
    @AnonStarter

    Actually, I don’t really mind it. I believe that as soon as the slur “anti-Semitic” is utilized in the context of Palestine, because of its frequent misuse and the whole back story built around it (Holocaust, Hitler, etc.), the argument has been lost by the one misusing it. But only as long as the misuse is shown. For example, if you’re Jeremy Corbin and you don’t fight back, you lose.

    The problem as I see it is that as the Zionists work so hard to convince everyone that anti-Zionism is actually anti-Jewish or “anti-Semitic”, that people of all persuasions, anti- or pro-, could actually believe them and frequently do. Thus Zionism becomes a danger to Jews everywhere.

    The part of the 1917 Balfour Declaration in support of a “Jewish national home” that nearly everyone forgets, most of all Zionists themselves, is:

    …it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.

    I guess it wasn’t that clear after all. Zionists made sure of that.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  435. Sirius says:
    @Talha

    [It was apparently caused by a strange error in the software, which occasionally happens but only very, very rarely. It’s now been corrected.]

    Talha, since you seem quite experienced here, I want to ask for some advice. Someone has hijacked my moniker (spoofing) and is posting in my name.

    Under Philip Giraldi’s article:

    Off to a Diverse Start

    Comment #174

    is a post I never made. This is the second time I caught this. A post here made by Malla #261 was also posted in my name and removed when I responded to it.

    Some really malicious stuff going on here!

    • Replies: @Talha
  436. Is Europe so different from America? Behold …

    EU gives $15 million in “creative” aid to Israel’s war industry

    The European Union is a club formed following the horrors of World War II.

    To banish such horrors, the EU has found innovative ways of supporting international peace. Among them is being generous to Israel’s weapons firms.

    Two such firms – Elbit Systems and Israel Aerospace Industries – have received a combined total of $15 million from Horizon 2020, the EU’s scientific research program. …

    Weapons dealers are not Israel’s top recipients of EU science grants. The top recipients are universities.

    Once again, that offers proof of how Brussels officials can invent a new reality.

    In that new reality, Israel’s universities are dedicated solely to the production of knowledge. Their roles in enabling state violence are magicked away.

    The Weizmann Institute of Science gobbled up more than $244 million from Horizon 2020, making it Israel’s number one beneficiary. …

    Tel Aviv University is the number two Israeli beneficiary of Horizon 2020, netting almost $197 million.

    • Replies: @Sirius
  437. Anonymous[134] • Disclaimer says:
    @Yahya K.

    Let’s throw back the question at you:

    Egypt needs – for obvious reasons – economic growth far more than Europe does. Egypt, which has a typical IQ level in the 90s range, would, surely, benefit *more* than any European state by the importation of so-called ‘high IQ Indians’.
    So why don’t the Egyptians do the obvious and import an Indian uber IQ over class, which, surely will benefit *all* Egyptians by its contribution in building real wealth?

    You know as well as I do that it’s pure bullshit.

    Yet, for some reason, whites must put up with this shit ‘reasoning’.

    • Replies: @Yahya K.
  438. Anonymous[134] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sirius

    As every French schoolboy *used* to know:

    ” …… Our Ancestors the Gauls ……”.

  439. @Sirius

    Actually, I don’t really mind it. I believe that as soon as the slur “anti-Semitic” is utilized in the context of Palestine, because of its frequent misuse and the whole back story built around it (Holocaust, Hitler, etc.), the argument has been lost by the one misusing it. But only as long as the misuse is shown. For example, if you’re Jeremy Corbin and you don’t fight back, you lose.

    It’s your prerogative, of course, though I’d like to point out a few differences …

    Corbyn is a public figure in an arena stacked to the rafters with enemies, from fellow party members to media bulldogs, the latter of whom possess the wherewithal to effectively present a one-sided view of him and his supporters.

    In this domain, Aaron himself is in a super-minority, vastly outnumbered by anti-Zionists, many of whom are well familiar with his routine. He also lacks the ability to edit or censor published commentary in order to deceive readers, as most posters’ history is readily available for review.

    As such, there’s really no obligation to demonstrate his dishonesty. In fact, his end goal in attempting to anger you is to keep you perpetually on the defensive, sort of like Canary Mission. That way, your time and effort won’t be given to a more meaningful objective.

    The problem as I see it is that as the Zionists work so hard to convince everyone that anti-Zionism is actually anti-Jewish or “anti-Semitic”, that people of all persuasions, anti- or pro-, could actually believe them and frequently do.

    They’re busting their humps 24/7 to frame the Overton Window, that’s for sure.

    But where we encounter this phenomenon here, we have to ask ourselves: Are those individuals who are actually persuaded by such flaccid accusations really worthy of our respect? They certainly wouldn’t be the brightest bulbs in the marquis.

    • Thanks: Sirius
  440. @Sirius

    How many do you think would return to their home countries under such circumstances? Would the average Syrian refugee or for that matter Ivorian refugee return to their home countries if their countries where safe? The differential in wages and living standards would still be present. Besides, they would have to uproot again, this time not for a upgrade of their personal living standards, but for a downgrade. Perhaps 5% would return to their home country, but certainly not the majority.

    Would you return in their circumstance?

    • Replies: @Sirius
  441. Talha says:
    @Sirius

    It looks to me like “Malla” made the comment #174 under the “Diverse Start” article. I don’t see your name as the user for that one.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Sirius
  442. A123 says:
    @Ron Unz

    During the last 30 days, we’ve published nearly 450 articles and posts. Suppose 10% dealt with Jews/Israel. That’s 45, which is quite a lot. Since you seem so extremely obsessed with Jews/Israel/Anti-Semitism, you focused on those and mostly ignored the other 400+, so to you, the website seems to share your obsessions.

    Perhaps a more accurate description would be, “Unz Review is a magnet for anti-Semitic commenters”.

    How many of the comments in some ways blame Jews, or ZOG, or ZioUS Empire, or some other mythic conspiracy of Jews. A fair number of the articles that have nothing to do with Jews wind up with extensive anti-Semitic commentary.

    Despite being a Christian, I am often targeted with anti-Semitic attacks for telling the truth about Islamic Violence against Infidels (Christians and Jews) in places like France, and Sweden, and Germany, and Iran, and so on….

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @A123
  443. Yahya K. says:
    @Anonymous

    Egypt needs – for obvious reasons – economic growth far more than Europe does.

    Sure.

    Egypt, which has a typical IQ level in the 90s range, would, surely, benefit *more* than any European state by the importation of so-called ‘high IQ Indians’.

    I would gladly import millions of high-IQ Indians if I were benevolent dictator of Egypt.

    So why don’t the Egyptians do the obvious and import an Indian uber IQ over class, which, surely will benefit *all* Egyptians by its contribution in building real wealth?

    Because none of them want to come here. No use moving from one poor country to another, is there?

    You know as well as I do that it’s pure bullshit.

    Hit ain’t. My own paternal line traces back to India, actually, and technically i’m not even full ‘Arab’, only half, with the other half being a mix of Turkish, Indian and Iranian. I wrote a few comments 10 months ago about my background:

    https://www.unz.com/anepigone/wipe-well/#comment-3798784

    My Father is Saudi Arabian, and Mother is Egyptian, so I have citizenship in both countries. I personally was born in Cairo, raised in Cairo, and speak the Egyptian dialect. My mother and siblings are the same. My father was born in Makkah, raised in Makkah, and speaks the Saudi dialect.

    https://www.unz.com/anepigone/wipe-well/#comment-3798875

    Its been rumored in our family that our ancestors came from India 400-500 years ago. I also know that my great-great grandmother is full Turkish. I recently took a genetic test and found out I was:

    56.8% Arabian/North African
    24% Western Asian (Iran & Turkey)
    16.4% South Asian (Gujarat region)
    2.8% Other

    So you see – all mixed up. The reason is simple: people move. That is a fact as old as time. Even in the case of an ancient country like Egypt, several movements into it changed the genetic make-up over time. You can see this clearly by taking a look at a random sampling of Egyptians – they will look different. You have some Egyptians who look whiteish Middle Eastern, some who can pass as Pakistanis, some who look like Southern Europeans, and others who look half-black or Nubian.

    That’s because of several admixtures from a variety of groups including Turks, Caucasians, Greeks, Arabians, Levantines, sub-Saharans and so forth. I wrote a comment about this a month ago: https://www.unz.com/anepigone/a-problem-with-the-developed-world/#comment-4416579

    You may not be aware of it, but modern Europeans are also a product of several migrations, movements and miscegenation between different races that took place a long time ago. Europeans are basically a mix of 3 people:

    (1) Mesolithic Hunter-Gatherers (EHG) – they moved into Europe from the Balkans when the ice sheets receded after the end of the Ice Age 14,000 years ago. They were similar genetically to archaic Amerindians, and did not have light-skin mutations yet so were dark-skinned. They inhabited Europe almost alone for thousands of years, until they were replaced and invaded by the other groups below.

    (2) Anatolian farmers (EEF) – they were the first farmers of Europe. They originated in northwest Anatolia and started colonizing Europe about 8,000 years ago. After about 2,400 years, they managed to replace a lot of the EHGs through invasion and interbreeding. Southern Europeans – Greeks, Spaniards, Italians – have more of this component than Northern Europeans, as the Anatolian farmers likely found it difficult to farm in the cold environment of the North and so did not settle there in large numbers. The modern day group which resembles them most are Sardinians. They had light-skin but dark hair and brown eyes.

    (3) Yamnaya pastoralists (IA) – they were steppe pastoralists living in modern day Russia/Ukraine and later invaded the European continent and mixed and replaced many of the inhabitants there, moreso in the North than the South. Genetic data suggests that Yamnaya were a mix of two groups: 50% eastern hunter gatherers from Russia, and 50% Iranian farmers from the Zagros Mountains. The Yamnya pastroalists, also called Aryans, expanded in all directions and brought with them the Indo-European languages to Europe, Iran and India.

    The takeaway from this is that “muh white people” are not some pure race who are only now being defiled by icky brown people coming from all over. Europeans themselves are a product of several mixtures of people and i’m sure some of the original inhabitants of Europe (EHGs) didn’t like it when the Anatolian farmers and the Aryans took over the place – but it is what it is. Things change over time.

  444. Talha says:
    @Yahya K.

    I think a distinction needs to be made between pre-modern anti-racism and modern anti-racism.

    Agreed.

    The latter – woke anti-racism – is just a bunch of hoeey about invented ‘oppressions’ towards minorities and LGBT that has no basis in reality.

    Of interest:

    Wa salaam.

  445. Anonymous[530] • Disclaimer says:
    @Yahya K.

    Perhaps not ‘high IQ Indians’ but what about ‘high IQ black Africans’, Nigerians, Ghanaians, Gambians etc. They exist. They are your countrymen in that they share the same continent as you, many of them are Muslims, why doesn’t Egypt have a crash program of importing a black African technological elite? Surely it’s a win-win. Egypt gets the brains, and economic boost, and the blacks get higher living standards. Classic Economist style immigrationism,of the type whites are told to suck up.

    Do you really think that the typical Egyptian would be happy to be bossed about by a black intellectual elite?

    • Replies: @Yahya K.
  446. Talha says:
    @Yahya K.

    And also:
    “A new model upends old assumptions, revealing more Neanderthal ancestry for both modern Africans and Europeans than once thought.”
    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/more-neanderthal-dna-than-you-think

    Peace.

  447. Anonymous[530] • Disclaimer says:
    @Yahya K.

    European genetics have been more or less ‘fixed’ since the Bronze Age, which is awfully long time ago.
    In fact, there is little genetic diversity on the European continent. Even the the most ‘extreme’ genetic difference, that is between a Finn and a Sicilian, is trivial when compared on a worldwide scale, in fact Indian castes *even in the same village* display far greater genetic distance.

  448. Sirius says:
    @Talha

    Yes, it was corrected, thanks. Whoever the site admin is made a note as well. Post #176 was also listed under my moniker, so it happened a total of 3 times counting the one under this thread. I thought I was being spoofed as they were very provocative posts, being quite offensive in my view. I didn’t think it was Malla’s style, till his name emerged on them.

    • Replies: @RSDB
  449. songbird says:
    @Yahya K.

    This is inspiring.

    Blacks hardly did any frontline fighting in WW2. They were intentionally kept back to work supply logistics.

    [MORE]
    And if you ask me, it would have been better to use other solutions. Perhaps, even locals – they were used during the Berlin Airlift. Blacks weren’t really needed, or even a benefit, IMO. They caused a lot of problems. Having blacks in the military was really what led to the push to desegregate the America. Honestly, they are rather poor fighters, in the main (no discipline), and pretty fractious when in integrated units. During Vietnam tens of thousands of uniformed whites had to be kept in America just to keep an eye on them.

    The South had an indigenous culture for living with blacks, which was developed through experience. It was very humane, let people have their own spaces, and left blacks with a higher standard of living then they could experience on their own. People revile the South, just because it was not universalist. The North meanwhile had practically no experience living with blacks. We adopted its culture on a national level, and it has led to endless problems and destruction – it basically caused the Civil War, and later destroyed numerous cities.

    I think a distinction needs to be made between pre-modern anti-racism and modern anti-racism.

    IMO, the problem is not racism but universality. It is a much of a problem to say all blacks should have the vote as it is to say they should be in your local public schools (bused in, at a cost of millions, if necessary) as it is to kneel before them and effectively worship them – it is a directional spectrum with one thing inevitably leading to another.

    Even if we look at the less woke aspects of the anti-racist drive, I find many facets of it morally troubling.

    If I were a non-racist, to signify that I was not one I could not object to high IQ Nigerians, but I don’t believe that it is moral to “drain their brains”, to help foster a pattern of flight for the more capable ones, when they should be serving their people, or if that seems untenable – creating their own small country to help with regional problems. Similarly, I think that foreign aid leads to a lot of problems, and it comes from an egalitarian impulse. What is needed, IMO, is “enlightened racism.”

    David Reich pointed that out in Who We Are and How We Got Here

    David Reich has his personal biases. To start with, he is a Jew. But in addition, he is also a public figure who desires funding and access to hard-to-get ancient bones – he needs to be race-denialist in order to maintain his position and not be Watsoned out.

    I am not sure if genetic relatedness is useful in of itself either.

    Believe me, I revile some of my “close” cousins (cousins in a metaphorical sense). It is hard to love anyone who has no familial loyalty. Personally, I’d rather there was some sorting and the xenophiles were thrown into a test of their rhetoric by being dropped into Africa – I’d be willing to contribute something to the project too. But that doesn’t seem very likely – I think we are stuck with them.

    Perhaps, my own idea is not very likely either, but it seems pretty workable on a technical level. Ideally, you would want to add a test of ideology, and weed out people with different characteristics, like women with tattoos, or men with ones in certain places – like their hands.

    Would you rather have a 90IQ Arab immigrate to your country, or a 106IQ East Asian? The Arab will be closer to you genetically, but the Asian seems to be more desirable as an immigrant, no? Better yet, would you rather a 95IQ Polish peasant immigrate, or a 130IQ Brahmin Indian?

    When I say “genetic distance”, I’m primarily talking on the short side, rather than that between races. Like the difference between the people living in the Po Valley (in Northern Italy) and Germans. Or the difference between people within NW Europe, or within Northern Europe, or within Southern Europe.

    I think it is a wise general prescription, to start with that basis, rather than to ignore it. And there is a lot one could do with the concept – another possibility would be one’s genetic distance to civilized groups. But I am mainly not an advocate for immigration – the concept could be used for travel too, in certain circumstances.

    As to your cases, I’m not sure I would object to a prole Pole. There are more important things than IQ. Unfortunately, the “model minorities” seem to generally have a leftward tilt. Whether it is related to this or an independent factor, they seem to favor open borders.

    I would suggest that it is a simple matter of genetic interests. The Brahman is primarily concerned with his own genes, and wants to increase them, while, by instinct, he does not care about the native genes. So, many will seek to undermine the ethnocentrism of the natives and their borders.

    I think it is a universal problem. Shamefully, I have seen whites living in China do it – say they are being made uncomfortable by Chinese nationalism. But, obviously, the problems and the trends are greater in the West than in China.

    • Disagree: IronForge
    • Replies: @Talha
    , @IronForge
  450. @Yahya K.

    I would gladly import millions of high-IQ Indians if I were benevolent dictator of Egypt.

    Egypt would then most likely end up like Tanzania or Kenya where a tiny Indian minority control the economy. This would breed resentment and wouldn’t solve any of your problems.

  451. German_reader says:
    @Yahya K.

    If Whitman and Thoreau were for race-mixing, its probably not because they wanted “white people to die”

    It doesn’t really matter imo why they wanted it, it was still crazy utopianism, the sort of programme which is bound to lead to endless strife if it’s made the basis for policy as it is nowadays in many Western countries. I don’t even think that most of the people promoting mass immigration are consciously aiming at something like “white genocide” (though they’ll probably say they don’t care about race, and cultures too come and go, nothing to care about), they probably really believe they’re creating a better world…but from my point of view they’re still deranged fanatics who will lead Europe into an abyss.

  452. songbird says:
    @Sirius

    Well, Europe isn’t really a European word, is it? Many scholars trace it to Phoenician

    There seem to be many theories about the origin. I doubt anyone really knows, but what matters is that it has been claimed by Europeans for quite a while. And while it is a concentric identity, it is perhaps the most appropriate single use word for a large region, except perhaps China.

    and his father had him baptized at an early age as an Anglican. Disraeli even entered English nobility if I’m not mistaken.

    Twelve is hardly “early.” But the age does not matter, he knew his Jewish pedigree and made frequent references to Jews. Dual loyalties don’t require a state.

    Some of the most vile people imaginable have been made British nobles, like Stephen Lawrence’s mother or some Pakistani guy who tried to cover up the grooming scandal. Or that woman who married Harry.

    I am not an anti-monarchist as such, but I think the British monarchy could certainly use a reboot. This time, selected for quality and loyalty, and bred and trained to have it.

    Identity must inevitably have limits and be constrained, as there will be people always looking to expand and subvert it. Morality also requires negative values. A political vision is arguably what requires positive values.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Sirius
  453. songbird says:
    @Seraphim

    Even in Spain, I would say that there was some demographic damage done on economic grounds – waiting to exile Moors, as they were agricultural workers, or welcoming crypto-Jews.

  454. German_reader says:
    @Yahya K.

    Better yet, would you rather a 95IQ Polish peasant immigrate, or a 130IQ Brahmin Indian?

    The high IQ Brahmin is a lot more likely to become a subversive activist agitating against the interests of the native population (he’ll despise native proles, but that won’t keep him from joining some leftist party, as long as it’s all about diversity, open borders etc.). Whereas the Polish prole will probably just work as a bus driver or artisan – more useful jobs than what many high IQ immigrants do, with their bs degrees in sociology, political science etc. and their jobs in law and the media – , with him or his children intermarrying with the native working class and becoming indistinguishable in a few generations.
    Really a no-brainer imo, the Pole is preferable.

  455. Talha says:
    @songbird

    Honestly, they are rather poor fighters, in the main (no discipline)

    No idea how this plays out in modern warfare, but during the Rashidun expansion, the Nubians were the only ones that were able to repel the Muslim armies whereas every other empire fell flat. The Nubians were extremely disciplined archers and were able to get terms for a long-lasting treaty.

    Peace.

  456. A123 says:
    @A123

    To further my point about anti-Semitic commenters — In an article about Chinese banking I made an on topic post about the problems with Chinese banks.

    https://www.unz.com/audio/kbarrett_peter-myers-responds-to-chinese-debt-trap-is-a-myth/#comment-4477720

    The response as you can see is deranged incoherent, anti-Semitic ranting. To limited, low IQ, one-track minds like “kratic” and “Mulga Mumblebrain”, everything is about the Jews even when addressing Christians like myself.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @German_reader
  457. Talha says:
    @songbird

    This time, selected for quality and loyalty, and bred and trained to have it.

    How do you do this without the environment to create monarchies in the first place? The monarchs of Europe are all emasculated. The environment in which they arose or were toppled or climbed to the top was through warring with other monarchs for territory and wealth, making strategic alliances with other monarchs through marriage, etc. I don’t think you can have the kind of monarchs you are looking for without the means by which to produce them. Right now, they have little real political power and basically serve the purpose of acting like rich, spoiled celebrities (which they fit into naturally).

    Monarchs in other places are somewhat similar, but they have much more real power and live in an arena where coups are fairly normal, which forces them to keep up the appearances that they are still in charge:

    Peace.

    • Replies: @songbird
  458. Anonymous[671] • Disclaimer says:
    @Yahya K.

    Of course, during the Merkel ‘Syrian refugee’ crisis of 2015, Egypt was conspicuous by its absence in not unilaterally offering s safe haven for the millions of its co-relgionists and Arab brothers across the Red Sea.
    Even more offensive when you consider that their politicians used to make big platitudes about all being in the ‘UAR’ or ‘United Arab Republic’.

    • Replies: @Yahya K.
  459. German_reader says:
    @A123

    You’re an even worse imbecile than Sirius, absolutely mystifying how someone with your retarded neoconnish, philosemitic views (“muh Judeo-Christian civilization, let’s crush the mullahs”) can end up at this site and believe anybody here is even vaguely interested in your stupid ramblings. Why don’t you just fuck off to Breitbart or some other Magatard site?

    • Replies: @A123
  460. songbird says:
    @Talha

    The Nubians were extremely disciplined archers and were able to get terms for a long-lasting treaty.

    Well, I think there is somewhat a distinction between West and East Africans. The latter, I believe have a significant amount of DNA from Eurasia.

    How do you do this without the environment to create monarchies in the first place? The monarchs of Europe are all emasculated.

    Celebrity is the source of what power they have today. They’ve become empty celebrities and need to behave like them, in order to keep what wealth and influence they have.

    I agree with you that there is a power-dynamic here. Is it even possible to build a functioning monarchy in Europe?

    I will bring out one of my own eccentric views (which I have mentioned before): the potato made the population of Europe explode and proportionately dropped the proportion of land-owning aristocrats (as land was a fixed quantity), while also making it difficult for their armies to confiscate food, as unlike wheat, potatoes didn’t need to be harvested right away, so they could be left in the field. It and the changes that it caused, essentially made true monarchies impossible – at least they were not long for the world.

    I’m not sure it is even possible to bring back true monarchy, but to attempt to do so, you would definitely need to reinvent it. Redesign it from the ground up. That would definitely have some benefits as you could select mates from the general pop, rather than be forced to inbreed or choose them for their wealth. They wouldn’t need to be foreign, like they often were in the old days.

    Maybe, a monarchistic regime wouldn’t be needed though? If you had a sane state, built on sound principles. a based symbolic monarch, might help you to maintain that, if he were trained and brought up to do so.

    I’ve seen a clip of the king training before. BTW, my idea on Jordan is that it is regrettably not a true state as it must rely on foreign aid and needs to be somewhat obsequious to Israel for various reasons.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Talha
  461. Yahya K. says:
    @Anonymous

    Of course, during the Merkel ‘Syrian refugee’ crisis of 2015, Egypt was conspicuous by its absence in not unilaterally offering s safe haven for the millions

    Most countries were conspicuously absent in not unilaterally offering safe haven to refugees, since most countries are not quite as insane as Merkel’s Germany, and recognize the need to carefully consider who to let in and how many.

    Your comment comes off as accusatory, as if I have any say in the matter (I don’t). I do you the courtesy of not ascribing your government’s polices onto you, as I know you have no say in the matter, and probably would like to have a different policy. Anyway, Egypt did in fact take in a 100,000 Syrian refugees, and if I were made dictator I probably would’ve taken in more (though we are a poor country with limited land and resources, Syrians are culturally and genetically similar so would cause less problems for us).

    I did state multiple times that Germany was not obligated to take in Syrians or anyone else, and that its perfectly fair for them to shut off all immigration if they wanted to. That being said, since Germany has already settled many immigrants who came in legally, I was offering some solutions to the pre-existing diversity problem, such as the Roman model or the Tito model or the ban on cousin marriage. Certainly I think that’s more productive than sitting around all day and complaining about decisions that were already made instead of coming up with some workable solutions.

    • Replies: @Talha
  462. songbird says:
    @German_reader

    One of the curious things about the new moral narrative of the war is that, whether by design or by accident, it primes people to be blind to the true origins of the conflict.

    I once heard someone assert that he didn’t think Hitler really hated the Jews – that he was only a demagogue using it as a trick to gain power. And I think the anti-racist ideology in which people’s brains are stewed encourages this weird view: how could Hitler have really hated the Jews, if everyone is the same?

    Of course, I suppose the next question would be, then why was his antisemitic rhetoric popular? And this probably has an acceptable answer for the blank-slatist regime too: native populism is abhorrent.

    tbh I’ve been struck by how some of those antiracist ideas seem to have existed in the US even in the mid-19th century

    I think it goes beyond the US – to Europe as well. Where race wasn’t a factor, there was class. And there was some really exuberantly egalitarian rhetoric about education lifting the lowest classes to great heights.

    I can understand that the situation was muddled back then, and there was a lot of potential in the lower classes to be unlocked, and some brilliance. But in some quarters, there was practically zero acknowledgement that some people are naturally as dumb as rocks. (through no fault of their own, of course.)

    • Replies: @German_reader
  463. A123 says:
    @German_reader

    SJW_German,

    I am the exact opposite of a NeoConDemocrat. I applaud the fact that Trump is the first U.S. President in modern history to avoid starting any foreign wars. I wish he had been able to beat the GOP(e) and close out Afghanistan. Trump inherited a huge number of problems from submissive Obama’s failed administration.

    You are the SJW Globalist backing your precious Mutti Merkel’s foreign adventures. No doubt you will be overjoyed when your Merkel expands German troop presence in Ukraine & Belarus to defend against Russian aggression. Perhaps you should volunteer to serve in the German military to back-up your warmongering.

    As an aid to translation…. Hint: “muh” is not an English language word and you make yourself sound like a moron whenever you use it.

    PEACE 😇
     

    • Replies: @Sirius
  464. Talha says:
    @songbird

    Is it even possible to build a functioning monarchy in Europe?

    There are ways that “fearless president for life with 95% of the vote” basically takes the place right now of monarchs. For example, AE brought up Turkmenistan in his blog and cited an article where the president was elected with “nearly 97.7 percent of the vote”.

    It and the changes that it caused, essentially made true monarchies impossible – at least they were not long for the world.

    Certainly possible, though monarchies went along pretty normally until two major events; the American and French Revolutions. If you recall, all the monarchs of Europe were pissing their pants at what happened in France and tried to stop it from spreading.

    a based symbolic monarch

    Like the glorious General Krull:

    my idea on Jordan is that it is regrettably not a true state as it must rely on foreign aid and needs to be somewhat obsequious to Israel for various reasons.

    The original idea was for the Hashemites to rule Greater Syria (including Jordan), Iraq and the Hijaz – which would have been a very formidable state. But they lost the Hijaz to the Najdis, Syria to the French and King Faisal II (of Iraq) was killed in a coup…so basically, that’s all they have left.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @songbird
  465. songbird says:
    @Yahya K.

    The takeaway from this is that “muh white people” are not some pure race

    A people can be a fusion of things and still be a unique people, especially if those events happened a long time ago. If the mixture was what made Europeans unique, then I’d say it was a pretty great combination, and not one anyone should be ashamed of.

    [MORE]

    Everyone is a fusion to a different extent – but that is hardly a proscription for miscegenation.

    To start with, if all your genes come from a fusion that is hardly an incentive allow a massive amount of alien genes to be propagated in your land. Aliens who, I might add, want to replicate their own genes and probably should be considered hostile to your own genetic interests. It doesn’t count as positive, if they go after your women.

    I could go on… European genes are adapted to work with other European genes. It was a process that took thousands of years and can’t be replicated too well in a low mortality, welfare environment.

    are only now being defiled by icky brown people coming from all over.

    Did I miss a scene of Euros kneeling before Africans and kissing their feet on the Bayeux Tapestry? If so, I wouldn’t call that being elevated.

    but it is what it is. Things change over time.

    I believe this view is called nihilism, when it is about one’s one country. So the question I would ask you is, why are you trying to promote nihilism in my own native land?

    I wouldn’t tell Arabs to give-up and let the upcoming black tsunami swallow them. I’d tell them to mine the desert.

    • Replies: @Yahya K.
  466. Talha says:
    @songbird

    I’ve seen a clip of the king training before

    Have you seen him exploring space? He is a big Star Trek game apparently and was able to pull off a cameo when he was younger:

    Peace.

  467. Talha says:
    @Yahya K.

    if I were made dictator I probably would’ve taken in more

    There are definitely more than that in Egypt. All the Egyptians I know that have relatives have mentioned that seeing Syrians is quite common and that many of them are starting businesses and moving along with life.

    Syrians are culturally and genetically similar so would cause less problems for us

    Very interesting connection; throughout much of Muslim history either Egypt was controlled by rulers in Syria or Syria was under control by rulers in Egypt.

    Wa salaam.

    • Agree: Yahya K.
  468. German_reader says:
    @songbird

    I once heard someone assert that he didn’t think Hitler really hated the Jews – that he was only a demagogue using it as a trick to gain power.

    [MORE]

    iirc that was pretty much A.J.P. Taylor’s view in his book about the origins of WW2 (haven’t read it myself, so I hope I’m not mischaracterizing it). It’s a pretty strange interpretation, since there is ample evidence that Hitler was an extreme ideologue whose basic world view was quite consistent from the early 1920s until his death.
    Re popularity of antisemitism: The standard view is that Hitler toned down his antisemitic statements in public during 1930-1932, because he knew it wasn’t going to be a vote-winner (even if his known antisemitism didn’t keep people from voting for him either). Of course there are other interpretations like Goldhagen’s though.
    I agree that a lot of liberal Westerners think their views are basically the norm and can’t really imagine that there might be radically different ways of looking at the world. Of course they’re against racists (whose views they don’t really seriously engage with either), but apart from that they think everybody is the same apart from superficial differences.

    • Replies: @songbird
  469. Sirius says:
    @songbird

    You didn’t address one of my key points about the 25-30 million Irish-Americans vis-à-vis the 6.5 million Irish. Surely that’s a major issue in the discussion of ethnicity and identity.

    • Replies: @songbird
  470. Sirius says:
    @Yahya K.

    My father was born in Makkah, raised in Makkah, and speaks the Saudi dialect.

    Is there even such a thing as a “Saudi” dialect. Makkah is in the Hijaz, a large region on its own. Would it not be a Hijazi dialect?

    Speaking of identity, I often wonder how anyone in Arabia could accept the designation of a “Saudi”, the name of one family, to cover a nationality, but even more so if a dialect is named after that family.

  471. Yahya K. says:
    @songbird

    A people can be a fusion of things and still be a unique people, especially if those events happened a long time ago. If the mixture was what made Europeans unique, then I’d say it was a pretty great combination, and not one anyone should be ashamed of.

    Definitely.

    Everyone is a fusion to a different extent – but that is hardly a proscription for miscegenation.

    Ok, agreed. The main point of my argument was that miscegenation and migration aren’t unnatural things, as the commenter I was replying to was implying. And that rather than being odd or strange, they are in fact quite common and prevalent throughout history (using genetic changes in Egypt and Europe as examples). But that doesn’t necessarily mean its a good idea to allow immigration. And if you think its a bad idea for Europeans to mix with brown or black people, that’s fine. I may even agree with it to some extent (though I’m not totally opposed to it. For example, i’m not opposed to high IQ people from other races intermixing with my own).

    I could go on… European genes are adapted to work with other European genes.

    Hmm… how does that work?

    Blacks hardly did any frontline fighting in WW2. They were intentionally kept back to work supply logistics. And if you ask me, it would have been better to use other solutions. Perhaps, even locals – they were used during the Berlin Airlift. Blacks weren’t really needed, or even a benefit, IMO. They caused a lot of problems.

    Did I miss a scene of Euros kneeling before Africans and kissing their feet on the Bayeux Tapestry? If so, I wouldn’t call that being elevated.

    I’m getting the impression from your comments that you hold a grudge towards blacks. I don’t know why, maybe like Twinkie you had a bad experience with blacks as a kid, or maybe you ar resentful of the current black fetishism in your society?

    I get that you are not a fan of blacks immigrating to your country – and that’s fine. But I don’t see why you have to constantly dump on black people and downplay any of their achievements (like their contributions to the war effort in WW2). In my view they are a rather unfortunate people who got the short end of the genetics stick and are consigned to a poor future through no fault of their own (unless they undergo a eugenic route over a long period of time).

  472. Sirius says:
    @Rattus Norwegius

    How many do you think would return to their home countries under such circumstances? Would the average Syrian refugee or for that matter Ivorian refugee return to their home countries if their countries where safe?

    Good questions. I can’t speak to Ivorians, and wasn’t even aware there was a refugee crisis emanating from there. If there isn’t one, then the distinction needs to be made between economic migrants and actual refugees, which the German government did.

    But for Syrians, you’re probably right. It’s been over 5 years since the majority of the refugees arrived in Germany. Certainly the longer they stay the more likely they are to develop roots. The military conflict in Syria though diminished hasn’t even ended, never mind that the rebuilding process is impeded by economic warfare as well.

    Would I? Better to take real examples. The one (that some here found so upsetting) of a Syrian standing for the German Bundestag will almost certainly not return. But the 4 Syrian doctors I met personally? I vaguely recall some wishing to return one day, but one already had a Russian girlfriend! Who knows? They could be on the way to practicing medicine in Germany by now.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  473. songbird says:
    @Talha

    Certainly possible, though monarchies went along pretty normally until two major events; the American and French Revolutions.

    The potato wasn’t actually discovered in 1492. It wasn’t until 1532 that the Spaniards conquered the Inca, and it was decades before it made it to Europe. It only arrived in the British Isles around 1588-1593. And it took a while for it to really be thoroughly adopted in many places, especially Northern Europe. People were hidebound in their customs and that meant growing certain crops, like wheat and turnips.

    Some believe that it really took famines in the 1700s, from the Little Ice Age, events like the Great Frost of 1709, or the one in Ireland in 1740, to make governments promote it thoroughly.

    [MORE]
    In some areas, it didn’t become the most important crop until the 1800s. But it did have a growing influence, even through small garden plots. The population was nearly increasing the whole time. And it reached some threshold of complexity.

    Though, I don’t consider it a direct cause of American independence, it might have influenced it through Enlightenment thought developed in Europe. Well according to my crazy personal theory… I am sure there were other factors, even in Europe.
    ______
    Ha, ha! That is funny, I didn’t realize he was on Voyager. It’s actually kind of surprising to me too, since I’m shocked he wasn’t worried that it would effect his image, as not everyone likes Star Trek, and there are at least slight atheistic influences in the earlier series, and certainly some weird politics.

    I remember that clip from the Simpsons. I thought it was amusing at the time, but now I’m wondering whether it was meant to be subversive – to support democracy abroad, but I’m not really sure. Though, I like how they used the name Krull – I wonder if that is a play on Robert E. Howard’s Kull. I’m not really familiar with the figure, but I imagine some Yamnaya-inspired barbarian. Anyway, it sounds like a strong name.

    so basically, that’s all they have left.

    I don’t know enough about them to say if they are better than the Saudis, but I’m guessing probably because they weren’t Wahhabists. IMO, it is sad that they don’t at least hold Jordan and Iraq in one kingdom. It would have been interesting to see a strong alternative Arab monarchy.

    • Replies: @Talha
  474. German_reader says:
    @Yahya K.

    In my view they are a rather unfortunate people who got the short end of the genetics stick and are consigned to a poor future through no fault of their own

    One could hold such a benign, paternalistic attitude if demographics were fixed in place, but you’re forgetting what Sailer has called the “most important graph in the world”. By the end of this century black Africans may account for 50% of humanity and have massive diaspora populations throughout much of the world. If they have indeed gotten “the short end of the genetics stick” as you yourself admit this has some rather unfortunate implications for the future of mankind. And the narrative promoted by American power throughout the West that all whites owe them, need to open their countries for them and that all the failures of blacks are the result of racism, the legacy of colonialism, structural inequality etc. imo may eventually turn out to be an existential threat for all Europeans, a sort of global Haitian revolution, or at least something like South Africa.

    • Replies: @Yahya K.
  475. German_reader says:
    @Sirius

    then the distinction needs to be made between economic migrants and actual refugees, which the German government did.

    Lol. Almost all of them are economic migrants in the sense that few of them fled immediate danger for their lives (even many of the Syrians had already stayed for considerable time in Turkey or other countries adjacent to Syria), it was about bettering their material situation. And no, the German government de facto doesn’t make any distinction between economic migrants and refugees, since almost nobody ever gets deported and there is no political will to make any real effort in this regard.
    Number of deportations of rejected asylum seekers in 2019 was 22 000 (and most of them went to Balkans states or other EU countries):
    https://www.bpb.de/gesellschaft/migration/flucht/zahlen-zu-asyl/265765/abschiebungen

    The one (that some here found so upsetting) of a Syrian standing for the German Bundestag will almost certainly not return.

    That asshole can’t even stand for the Bundestag btw since he isn’t a naturalized citizen yet (minimum for that would be six years residence, maybe he’s speculating he’ll get it in time before the elections). Doesn’t keep him from already demanding that the dedication of the Bundestag should be changed from “To the German people” to “To all people who are living in Germany”. Total wanker.

    • Agree: songbird, Yahya K.
    • Replies: @Sirius
  476. songbird says:
    @German_reader

    At one time, I was really interested in finding out if there were any recordings of old German radio shows that survive – something that wouldn’t be Hitler making a speech, but something with actors and a plot. I wanted to see if I could detect any interesting messages. Though, I suppose it was all destroyed.

    Many years ago, I went through a phase of listening to American OTR as a hobby. It was the antiquarian in me, trying to get a better view of America in the ’30s, ’40s, and ’50s. Much American stuff doesn’t actually survive as it was against the law to broadcast pre-recorded stuff for a while, so they preformed it live, and it was mainly copies made for the armed forces that survive. I suppose if there was any German equivalent, it would have been destroyed. If not bombed, they may have burnt it during de-Nazification.

    [MORE]

    In the US, one of the most popular shows for a long time was called Amos ‘n’ Andy. It was basically a minstrel show of dumb blacks, voiced mostly by two white guys in blackface, doing many different characters. They even made some rather poor movies. But it was so popular, that they would play it over the loudspeaker in certain stores, when it came on. That was in the ’30s, I think. (though I do not think it was good)

    I also vaguely recall an episode from The Shadow. A semi-gritty superhero show, where the guy could become invisible by hypnotizing people. In one episode, I forget from what decade, I vaguely recall a plot involving smugglers of illegal aliens (Latin Americans.) At the end, they all die (I think they are tossed out of a plane), and the Shadow basically says they deserved it – though it was the criminals who did it. I wonder if that was at the time of Operation Wetback, or before WW2 (the show was on for a while, and I heard it nearly 20 years ago. I wish I could find it, but it seems too difficult to track down.

  477. songbird says:
    @Sirius

    You didn’t address one of my key points about the 25-30 million Irish-Americans vis-à-vis the 6.5 million Irish.

    Seems like a crazy scenario? I’m not sure what you are asking. That you think Ireland would be forced to open up to such a number of people, or that they would come? Both seem surreal scenarios. Genetic distance is a consideration in so far as it makes things easier – I’m not so autistic that I’d consider it as a single factor against the wishes of the natives.

    Or are you asking if Irish-Americans would have identity problems in Ireland? Well, I think it depends largely how Irish they are. If full-blooded, I doubt that there are 30 million, and I doubt that they’d have problems.

    Maybe, you haven’t been paying attention to the news in Ireland, but Nigerians used a loophole from the peace process to invade starting in about the mid nineties. Since then, it might be the fastest country to be invaded in history and globohomo has seized power there, thanks to the low corporate tax rates. It is now a godless country.

    They had some gay, half-Indian prime minister there, but he wasn’t elected by a popular vote. Africans have stabbed people there, after asking them for money and being turned down. One native kid was targeted for stabbing because he riffed against BLM.

    Covid came there with “refugees”, which the regime is trying to settle in the thinly populated cultural heartland of the country. Recently, an African was shot after stabbing or slashing someone in the face with a big knife, and his fellows rioted. Blacks picket regularly holding signs that say “racist” and demanding more African immigration while living off the dole.

    There are quite a lot of Polish people there too, and many mixings with other Europeans. And you think it would be a problem, if they got more full-blooded Irish from America? Seems a rather eccentric view, if you don’t mind me saying so.

    • Replies: @Sirius
  478. Yahya K. says:
    @German_reader

    And the narrative promoted by American power throughout the West that all whites owe them, need to open their countries for them and that all the failures of blacks are the result of racism, the legacy of colonialism, structural inequality etc. imo may eventually turn out to be an existential threat for all Europeans, a sort of global Haitian revolution, or at least something like South Africa.

    Yes well let me clearly say that i’m very opposed to that narrative, and object to unlimited immigration from Africa into Europe. I like to visit Europe regularly (went there 7 times so far, mostly to London and Paris but sometimes venture off to other capitals like Madrid, Prague, and Rome. Haven’t been to Germany yet though – maybe one day) and if it were taken over by Africans I probably would stop going. But don’t worry – I know that in Egypt, the coasts are very well-patrolled by the military, because we have a drug smuggling problem, and they stop any illegal activity there including people trying to swim over to Greece. I didn’t see many black Africans walking around there either. I think they mainly go through Libya nowadays because of the lack of law and order there. So you may want to focus on that.

    One could hold such a benign, paternalistic attitude if demographics were fixed in place, but you’re forgetting what Sailer has called the “most important graph in the world”. By the end of this century black Africans may account for 50% of humanity and have massive diaspora populations throughout much of the world.

    I’m getting the impression that what you mean to say is that I shouldn’t be presenting the ‘sympathetic’ view of Africans as it encourages tolerance towards their immigration, and that that would be a catastrophe for mankind. And I see your point. But at the very least we shouldn’t be demeaning towards them, no?

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @Anonymous
  479. songbird says:
    @Yahya K.

    I’m getting the impression from your comments that you hold a grudge towards blacks. I don’t know why, maybe like Twinkie you had a bad experience with blacks as a kid, or maybe you ar resentful of the current black fetishism in your society?

    Both and more.

    [MORE]
    The fetishism goes back to at least the ’60s. It drove whites out of nearly every major American city. Almost no young white kids live in American cities or go to public schools there. By driving families out of the city, it helped to break the power of organized religious opposition (easier in ethnic neighborhoods) to the radical subversion of society. They’ve cost us trillions of dollars – the greatest fortune ever squandered. It seems when once we were doing great things – going to the Moon – they’ve caused us to fall back down. And we lost the progress we would have otherwise had.

    They basically destroyed America, at least as it was. A land blessed with rare geography, wealth, and freedom. And they are doing the exact same thing in Europe. You can find black faces in the most remote villages, my ancestral villages – it is observably a continuously growing problem.

    Sometimes, I feel quite sympathetic for them, for the way “good whites” have helped damage them, but it is usually a temporary feeling, and does not displace my worries about them. It in no way makes me embrace the idea of de-segregation, or make me believe it was a good thing.

    And it is a growing problem, with the possibility of it afflicting more than just European lands. The population of Africa is rapidly increasing to reach staggering levels by 2100. And few countries there can even feed themselves.

    But I don’t see why you have to constantly dump on black people and downplay any of their achievements (like their contributions to the war effort in WW2)

    There were also gays involved. Once I saw a video promoting it on public television. It also promoted blacks. It was surprising that they had all that black and white footage of lesbos and homos. They must have really searched hard to find it.

    Hmm… how does that work?

    I doubt I could explain it adequately, but just as it is bad to inbreed too deeply, it is also bad to outbreed too far. It is called “outbreeding depression.” It is not as dramatic as incest, generally, though it might be possible that less babies come to term, when two really diverse groups like Bushmen and Europeans interbreed.

    Another example is that Europeans have big heads, and some non-European women have narrow hips. That would be a problem with a natural birth. When Europeans were selected for their big heads, they were also selected for wide hips.

    They have hundreds of years of genealogical data for Iceland. One finding is that people who married their third cousins had more kids – they were basically more fertile. Not 1st cousins or 2nd cousins (inbreeding), and not 4th or 5th (outbreeding.)

    The brain is extremely complicated. 84% of genes are active there, if I recall. Those genes are working with each other, to make that complicated system. They have been selected to work together, over thousands of years. And mismatched with other people’s genes, there is some evidence that it might make psychological problems more common.

    To try to explain it a bit further: variant genes and traits don’t come out of nowhere – at least most of them. A trait caused by a single gene like lactose tolerance is rare. It is not one gene that makes people tall. If such a gene existed it would be extremely complicated, not due to a single letter change, and it would take an extremely long time to develop. Hundreds of thousands of years. Nature prefers to take the short approach to adaptation – it generally uses small changes in many genes to adapt to the environment.

    Just like it is not one gene that makes tall people tall, it is not one gene that makes pygmies short.

    The Tibetans have rather nice genes for altitude adaptation, but they got them from the Denisovans who were living on the Tibetan Plateau for hundreds of thousands of years. Amerinds in the Andes also have adaptations for altitude, but since they’ve only had ten thousand years to adapt or so, they aren’t that great, in comparison – that’s a single gene I believe, or something relatively simple but it causes a lot of problems for them – a lot of negative health effects that Tibetans don’t have.

  480. Sirius says:
    @German_reader

    You wrote:

    Number of deportations of rejected asylum seekers in 2019 was 22 000 (and most of them went to Balkans states or other EU countries)

    The article reported:

    2019 wurden aus Deutschland 22.097 Menschen abgeschoben, die meisten in ihre Herkunftsländer.

    Which means, of the deported, most were returned to their countries of origin.

    Why this deception on your part? Of course I know the answer: you like to misquote or misrepresent what are otherwise good sources to create a false impression and to fit in with your specious argument.

    The fact that this one is in German presents no inconvenience for me, but others who may “agree” with you would almost certainly not bother to check your sources. I must say, you often have good sources, but your analysis is faulty and self-serving.

    Finally, the fact that we have no easy way of checking your posting history seems to give you a way of hiding yourself from being caught on the facts, and I just caught you. I’m sure you have some good excuse for this, but it is little different than the “anonymous” drive-by insulters and vulgarians we’ve encountered before.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  481. Sirius says:
    @songbird

    if they got more full-blooded Irish from America?

    I never said that. I was only asking about the prospect.

    As for Nigerians, no, I was not aware of an immigration loophole. How is it possible that such a thing came about via a peace process and how is not possible to close it?

    I did look up Ireland’s stats and found it to be 1.1% Black and 1.7% Asian, which kind of surprised me. Not so surprised that Poles are there, though I didn’t find any numbers or percentages, but I’m quite familiar with the numbers in the UK.

    • Replies: @songbird
  482. German_reader says:
    @Sirius

    Which means, of the deported, most were returned to their countries of origin.

    Why this deception on your part?

    It’s not deception you stupid piece of shit, because for many of those deported the Balkans states are their countries of origin. Look at “Abschiebungen nach Staatsangehörigkeit” for the years from 2014-2019, citizens of Balkans states (Serbia, Kosovo, Albania) are always prominently represented. And if you look at “Abschiebungen nach Zielstaaten” for 2019, the top ten states apart from Morocco and Georgia are all in Europe, that is people only get deported in significant numbers to Balkans states or to the EU countries where they first applied for asylum, according to the Dublin regulations.
    What this clearly means is that the number of non-European migrants who get deported back to their country of origin is negligible, there is no coordinated effort by Germany to exert pressure on their countries of origin to take back their citizens, and no push for large-scale deportations of rejected asylum seekers (who usually know how to game the system by being uncooperative, obfuscating their identity, applying again and again for asylum with a new story etc., supported by open borders NGOs). There are hundreds of thousands of people in Germany who shouldn’t be here even by the over-generous standards of the official system, but in the end almost all of them get to stay.
    Honestly you’re pissing me off, you’re one of the most obnoxious commenters I’ve ever encountered on this site with your braindead pro-immigration propaganda which forces me to write long refutations. Go fuck yourself asshole.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  483. German_reader says:
    @Yahya K.

    I’m getting the impression that what you mean to say is that I shouldn’t be presenting the ‘sympathetic’ view of Africans as it encourages tolerance towards their immigration, and that that would be a catastrophe for mankind.

    I’m not against sympathy for Africans within reasonable limits, if climate change gets really bad that has some rather disturbing implications for many African states after all, and arguably the industrialized world at least has some obligation to help mitigate the effects. But sympathy can’t come at the price of totally losing all sense of one’s own collective interests. As it is now the debate in Western countries is completely unbalanced.
    I agree that one should avoid being demeaning. But you have to remember that people like songbird and me are arguing from a weak position, so a certain bitterness shouldn’t be surprising, even if it’s probably counter-productive.

  484. German_reader says:
    @German_reader

    Just to make clear what a dick Sirius is here’s the entire paragraph he’s referring to:

    2019 wurden aus Deutschland 22.097 Menschen abgeschoben, die meisten in ihre Herkunftsländer. Im Jahr 2018 waren es 23.617 Menschen. Die Abgeschobenen stammten 2019 vor allem aus Albanien, Nigeria, Georgien, der Russischen Föderation und Serbien. 2019 wurden aber auch irakische und afghanische Staatsangehörige aus Deutschland abgeschoben bzw. in andere EU-Staaten nach der sogenannten Dublin-Verordnung überstellt. So wurden 2019 insgesamt 8.423 Menschen von Deutschland aus in andere EU-Staaten überstellt, die meisten davon nach Italien und Frankreich.

    It clearly states that 8423 (of 23 617) in 2019 were deported to other EU countries where they had first applied for asylum (as is supposed to happen according to the Dublin regulations).
    When one looks at “Abschiebungen nach Zielstaaten” it emerges that an additional 3918 were deported to Albania, Serbia, Kosovo and Northern Macedonia.
    And when one checks the full data here:
    https://dip21.bundestag.de/dip21/btd/19/182/1918201.pdf
    one sees that 163 and 81 were deported to Bosnia-Herzegovina and Montenegro respectively. So that’s 4162 to Balkans countries.
    EU countries+Balkans states is already 12 585, more than half of all deported. A further 1177 went to Georgia. Apart from that Morocco with 696 deported is the non-European destination with the highest number.
    So much for “deception”.

  485. German_reader says:
    @German_reader

    It clearly states that 8423 (of 23 617)

    That number should be 22 097, 23 617 is the number for 2018. Rest of the numbers should still be correct, which actually makes my argument even stronger, since it means less than 10 000 in 2019 were deported to destinations other than EU countries or Balkans states.

  486. @German_reader

    I do not know why some immigrants find Germany attractive. Many Germans are rather distant and their language with its case system is not easy to learn.

  487. Anonymous[745] • Disclaimer says:
    @Yahya K.

    Egyptians *REALLY* dislike black people.

    I don’t need any lectures from you.

  488. Anonymous[745] • Disclaimer says:
    @Charles Martel France

    Social security.

    It is costing the German taxpayer *trillions* of euros.
    Money that could and should have been spent on Volk Deutsch.

  489. Sirius says:
    @AnonStarter

    Thanks for that. I would put that up as a news story if it were recent enough.

    It’s incredible how much constant assistance, technology transfers, technology thefts (especially with the “Israeli” nuclear program) and endless interventions on their behalf the artificial Zionist state gets, and then the Zionists go around bragging how advanced their entity is.

    When Syria got its alleged nuclear research plant illegally bombed by “Israeli” warplanes in 2007, there was not a word of condemnation from the US or the EU. In fact, there were calls for Syria to be investigated. No calls for a better air defense system either (from the Russians also, being relatively weak at the time).

    And some people (anonymous mostly) still argued here that the Syrians/Palestinians, etc. who are sanctioned severely should fight their own battles. Yeah, right. There just happens to be a heavily stacked deck. Is it so wrong to ask for it to be unstacked?

    Doesn’t it just add irony to the fact that many Syrians/Palestinians are now in Germany/Europe and European-origin Jews aren’t? (Although it seems many “Israelis” are now moving to Germany).

    Here’s a clip of an exchange between a remarkably frank Angela Merkel and a Palestinian girl in Germany, which caused quite a stir for the German Chancellor.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  490. German_reader says:
    @Charles Martel France

    Idiotic and trollish comment, most migrants are obviously motivated by economic reasons, not by any interest in the culture and language of their target country. It doesn’t matter if Germans are “distant” as long as they’re stupid enough to provide access to the welfare and healthcare system to anybody who makes it over the border, utters the magic word “asylum” and then refuses to self-deportate even if ordered to do so.
    But reading your past comments I get the sense that you like trolling, so presumably you understand that and just wanted to make some snide comment showing your dislike of Germans.

    • Replies: @Charles Martel France
  491. Sirius says:
    @A123

    I am the exact opposite of a NeoConDemocrat.

    So you’re a neo-con (Zionist) Republican? What’s the difference?

    …Trump is the first U.S. President in modern history to avoid starting any foreign wars.

    Not for lack of trying. Even you have to admit that. I guess taking a shot at Qassem Suleimani or those missiles strikes on Syria don’t count.

  492. Anonymous[745] • Disclaimer says:

    Another bunch of contemptible, duplicitous wankers are the Qatari state broadcaster ‘Al Jazeera’.

    Every. Single. Day. Without exception, Al Jazeera run a piece attacking European bastions for not having open borders regarding so called ‘refugees’. Yet, during the 2015 Merkel crisis, the Qatati government distinguished itself by loudly and firmly announcing its refusal to allow entry of a single ‘refugee’.
    Qatar happens to be one of the richest nations on earth.

    To all you stupid, gullible naive blue eyed whites out there. This type of blatant dishonesty and cheating is absolutely *typical* of eastern world. That anonymous poster which calls itself ‘Sirius’ also amplifies this bred in the bone perfidy and shamelessness.

  493. songbird says:
    @Sirius

    As for Nigerians, no, I was not aware of an immigration loophole. How is it possible that such a thing came about via a peace process and how is not possible to close it?

    There was a provision creating birthright citizenship. It was supposed to ease problems at the border between RoI and Northern Ireland. The Nigerians sized on it – I heard that it eventually got to the point where the majority of births in Dublin’s hospitals were to Nigerians.

    Needless to say, it was extremely unpopular. In one of the only true proxy votes on immigration allowed in the West, it was closed by an overwhelming majority. But the regime is anti-racist, so it does not prevent them from importing people as “refugees.” The invasion hasn’t slowed down, if anything it might have picked up.

    I did look up Ireland’s stats and found it to be 1.1% Black and 1.7% Asian, which kind of surprised me.

    The official stats are always out of date and an underestimate. In the youth cohorts, it is much greater.

    Obviously, Ireland is a very small country. Nobody in their right might would think that it is able to assimilate such numbers, which leads me to believe that the regime is intentionally genocidal – wanting to destroy the Irish as a unique people and culture. And it is quite easily to believe so, when they settle people in the small Irish-speaking areas that survive.

    One dissent has said something like (paraphrasing), “Cromwell would have given us Connaught – and he would have also given us Hell, but these people with not leave us an inch of Ireland.”

    • Replies: @Sirius
  494. songbird says:
    @Anonymous

    The small Gulf states are globohomo on steroids – or at least the Arab equivalent.

    Qatar basically has no right to exist – there’s no way it could fend off its neighbors, without outside help. No way it could have experts on anything without importing them. No way it could harvest its mineral wealth indigenously.

  495. songbird says:
    @Charles Martel France

    Migrants play at learning Welsh, a much more difficult language. They also play at learning Irish, since it is taught in the schools. In a dark way, it is kind of amusing – nobody in their right mind could think they are really interested in learning or preserving those languages. Maybe, it is done intentionally to help destroy them, or just to humiliate the natives by making a joke of their culture.

    Obviously, they did not decide to learn those languages. If language was considered at all, they might have had a thought like, where can I get by with English. I think Ireland is broadly considered as a Plan B to the UK. And English is quite widespread in Germany.

    Many Turkish workers actually never learned fluent German. I believe that is the ideal – it would make them easier to re-integrate into Turkey. Migrants should not be taught the native language, IMO.

    As to being “cold”, Germans are no longer very formal. I wish they were colder – that the maudlin, pozzed ones could be forced to learn some discipline.

  496. songbird says:
    @Yahya K.

    Forgot to mention that we are evolved to live in the environment of our ancestors. So, not only does that include the climate and the local germs, but also the social environment that they lived in – i.e. who their neighbors were, who strangers were, and how they behaved towards each other. And the net social effects, when you add it all up.

    So, basically Europeans are evolved to live among Europeans, and I really think that explains why some of them (far from all) have gone bonkers woke. But the corollary to that is that the sane ones aren’t evolved to live alongside the bonkers woke ones, or for that matter among the newcomers either.

    It might not equally be true of every people. Parsis have lived a long time outside their homeland. Some Indians have lived among greatly genetically distinct people. I suspect it doesn’t effect Jews at all – they were born to operate among strangers.

    In a way, it might also be true of the Protestant Reformation – the people didn’t change genetically, but they underwent major cultural changes, which changed the social environment – for example, a rapid and probably unprecedented increase in literacy. This seems to have led to some craziness, in addition to some positive things.

  497. Sirius says:
    @songbird

    Evidently you mean Nigerians who were in the UK and moved across the intra-Irish border.

    I had absolutely no idea of this, so you gave me something to think about. This loophole took how long to close before the referendum?

    Certainly I agree with you that Ireland has a right to remain Ireland and it is indeed a small country.

    I don’t see why the “refugee” definition is so difficult to sort out. If there is no war in a country of origin, it’s fairly simple, the person is not a refugee.

    which leads me to believe that the regime is intentionally genocidal – wanting to destroy the Irish as a unique people and culture.

    “Genocide” is a strong word and a legal term as well. I generally try to avoid it. “Invading” is when people show up as armies, not when they apply to the governing authority. But assuming you’re right about the latter part of the quote, why would an elected Irish government want to destroy its own people and culture? Could it not just be incompetence? I ask having almost no knowledge of Irish politics, but imagine it’s globalization politics you’re referring to.

    • Replies: @songbird
  498. songbird says:
    @Sirius

    Evidently you mean Nigerians who were in the UK and moved across the intra-Irish border.

    No, I actually mean the direct kind. Like, caught a flight from Lagos, maybe with a connecting flight to Dublin. Apparently, it was an open-ended clause. I can’t understand why (perhaps, it was deliberate, or perhaps they didn’t want to offend the sensibilities of the very few nonwhite people in Northern Ireland at that time) The US was clearly having problems with that idea at that time. And I believe no other European country ever had such a clause.

    [MORE]

    Northern Ireland is actually the least “enriched” part of the British Isles, and possibly the least “enriched” in Western Europe. It is actually quite weird to think about: in 1600, I guess it is debatable with different Norman lords, but probably the most powerful landowner in Ireland was Hugh O’Neill and his lands were in Northern Ireland and he was a Catholic. But there was a policy to push the Irish out of Northern Ireland and resettle it with Scots. Though it wasn’t the first plantation in Ireland, it had pretty dramatic effects, or was a more focused effort, as can be seen from the history of the Troubles.

    Though, with independence, many nationalists weren’t really concerned with it. Supposedly, even the anti-treaty people thought that the demographic trends were built-in where it would reunify with Ireland. Anyway, even so, it is odd how I as an ethnic native would feel most at home there – where the greatest focus for dispossession was.

    Genocide” is a strong word and a legal term as well. I generally try to avoid it.

    I’m a bit torn with the word. In one sense, it has certainly been abused in certain fields. For example, Indians (dot) speak of the British or Muslim genocides of Indians, and it is hard not to overlook the fact that there are more Indians now than there are white Europeans, and far from killing them, Europeans fantastically increased their population, by introducing radically new crops, and agricultural techniques, giving them food aid, etc.

    I’m not sure that it should be used in every context, but if so, there really needs to be another word that conveys invading a people and destroying the social-ethnic basis of their bioculture.

    “Invading” is when people show up as armies, not when they apply to the governing authority.

    Seems debatable. I mean, undoubtedly, in modern times, a welfare invasion is simply more effective. There are certainly more people moving into Europe now than ever before in the whole of history. In the UK, each year is vastly more than the whole string of pre-modern history. And if it ultimately leads to the same ends, how could it really be considered morally different?

    why would an elected Irish government want to destroy its own people and culture? Could it not just be incompetence? I ask having almost no knowledge of Irish politics, but imagine it’s globalization politics you’re referring to.

    This is basically the philosophical question of our age.

    Clearly, democracy is often an elaborate sham. The major parties don’t disagree with each other on major issues, and people are seldom allowed to vote on important issues. Meanwhile, minor parties that have different platforms come under tremendous, demonizing attacks and often have roadblocks thrown up in their way, and sometimes their members are directly persecuted by Western governments, or are attacked by anarchistic auxiliaries, like Antifa.

    I don’t think that it is pure incompetence – there’s some idea that it started out as incompetence, and it kind of got away from them and developed into a motive, ideological force. But I don’t think that makes sense, as most mainstream news organizations seem to have an ideological bias, and the same can be seen in certain fields and professions.

  499. German_reader says:
    @Anonymous

    That anonymous poster which calls itself ‘Sirius’ also amplifies this bred in the bone perfidy and shamelessness.

    Yeah, he’s a total scumbag. I now have to agree with AaronB, no way that guy is just some liberal Westerner with a Palestine obsession, he’s definitely got a hidden agenda. The refusal to cearly divulge his ethnic origins and his shifty style of debating (when he’s been proven wrong, he simply ignores it and moves on to some other argument, playing dumb all the time) are highly suspicious. Absolutely one of the worst commenters I’ve ever encountered here.

  500. @Sirius

    And some people (anonymous mostly) still argued here that the Syrians/Palestinians, etc. who are sanctioned severely should fight their own battles.

    It would be another matter if the west weren’t so lopsidedly pro-Zionist.

    The fact that it is makes neutrality an untenable position.

  501. @Anonymous

    Qatar took in approximately 54,000 refugees. Turkey, also part of the eastern world, has taken in a staggering 3,643,700, more than four times Germany’s total. You’ll find the eastern world has shouldered quite the considerable burden in absorbing refugees:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugees_of_the_Syrian_civil_war

    What’s more, al Jazeera is no more representative of popular sentiment in the east than CNN is of the west.

    If you want to make a convincing case, you should focus more on its substance and less on your imagination about someone’s racial background. Otherwise, you just weaken your position.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  502. German_reader says:
    @AnonStarter

    Turkey, also part of the eastern world, has taken in a staggering 3,643,700, more than four times Germany’s total.

    Given Turkey’s ardent support for head-chopping Islamists in Syria that’s at least partly self-inflicted, Turkey has contributed a lot to the long duration of the civil war.
    Strange that you guys who always go on about Israel’s responsibility for the Mideastern mess don’t mention Turkey’s destabilizing role.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
    , @Colin Wright
  503. TimothyS says:
    @Oliver D. Smith

    Has any nation resolved a large scale incursion of Muslims by any means other than expelling them?

    The Mr. Dourocher’s comment is relevant here:

    “It is unclear what is driving this re-Islamization. “

    It’s all too clear. The core teachings of Islam are built to be self-coherent. As the Pakistani Prime Minister said, “There is no such thing as radical islam. There is only islam.” It is a militant, expansionist religion. There is no way of avoiding that fact, it will not go away on its own. By their own accounting, Islamic migration is called “Hijra” or emigrating in the cause of Jihad. Purely economic motivation is projection. They do not emigrate to become more like the west, but to bring Sharia to the west. From Milestones, an influential text of the Muslim Brotherhood:
    Bridges are not built to meet and merge in the middle. They are so that the others may come to our own side.
    The Koran is not like the bible. It is like the ten commandments: the word of god himself, unchangeable. Their rough equivalent to the bible would be the Hadith. The Hadith are themselves are rigidly preoccupied with idealizing the rule of sharia, whose original economy was reliant on plunder and slavery.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  504. @German_reader

    Idiotic and trollish comment, most migrants are obviously motivated by economic reasons, not by any interest in the culture and language of their target country.

    Did I say that they came to Germany to learn more about Goethe and Günter Grass ?

    ……just wanted to make some snide comment showing your dislike of Germans.

    That is not correct. Why would I dislike them ? If you are German I am sure that you would enjoy ” Das literarische quartett ” and ” Literaturclub “.

    Im «Literaturclub» werden jeweils vier bis fünf Neuerscheinungen besprochen und diskutiert. Immer am literarischen Puls der Zeit.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  505. @German_reader

    Strange that you guys who always go on about Israel’s responsibility for the Mideastern mess don’t mention Turkey’s destabilizing role.

    Well, Turkey is routinely and openly criticized in western mainstream media, if not for its “ardent support” of da’esh, then for its procurement of their black market oil arising from disrupted supply lines. It’s likely Turkey’s approach was premised upon concern for a long-standing alliance between Israel and Kurdish separatists hungry for an opportunity to carve a sizeable chunk out of southern Turkey for themselves.

    This isn’t to say Turkey’s approach was correct, but rather, that Turkey gets no support for its own realpolitik response in western media.

    In stark contrast, here, in the militarily mightiest country on earth, one without whose invasion, occupation and destabilization of Muslim lands the Genghis Khan wannabes of ISIS wouldn’t have existed, there is no such demonization of Israel across mainstream media.

    Furthermore, America can and has flexed its muscle to affect Turkish policy, imposing sanctions as it pleases in order to do so. Here, any suggestion that America might do so to affect Israel’s policy is met with forceful and aggressive opposition, often threatening the livelihood of its advocates. Turkey also hasn’t strong-armed America to pass legislation making legal boycotts punishable by law, nor has it made historical skepticism a felony offense in Europe.

    In fact, no predominantly Muslim country has done any such thing, which means the scope of their influence is simply not like Israel’s at all.

    What’s strange is why you find it strange that one correctly identifies and concentrates upon this obviously unique influence in one of the web’s last remaining free speech venues.

    Most peculiar, indeed.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  506. German_reader says:
    @Charles Martel France

    That is not correct. Why would I dislike them ? If you are German I am sure that you would enjoy ” Das literarische quartett ” and ” Literaturclub “

    Lol, ok, I have to admit that’s kind of funny. High-class trolling, well done.

  507. German_reader says:
    @AnonStarter

    Turkey also hasn’t strong-armed America to pass legislation making legal boycotts punishable by law, nor has it made historical skepticism a felony offense in Europe.

    Turkey is doing a lot worse from a European perspective than just criminalizing Holocaust denial, Erdogan is not only threatening and insulting European countries on a regular basis, he’s obviously been trying (with some success) to use migrant streams as a weapon to blackmail Europeans. He also wants Turkish minorities in Europe to be basically a fifth column for Turkey. There’s not much reason from my perspective to prefer him and his ilk to Zionists.
    And anyway, you guys with your monomaniacal obsession are just annoying, there are so many threads on Unz review about Israel, and then you have to turn this one too into an endless borefest about Israel/Palestine. Admittedly I’ve played my part in this thread deraling (probably shouldn’t have written anything at all, I’m not knowledgeable about France after all), which I regret. I’ll try to be more self-disciplined in future.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  508. @German_reader

    Turkey is doing a lot worse from a European perspective than just criminalizing Holocaust denial, Erdogan is not only threatening and insulting European countries on a regular basis, he’s obviously been trying (with some success) to use migrant streams as a weapon to blackmail Europeans.

    Please.

    If you can’t understand why Turkey might be frustrated by the burden of absorbing over three and a half million refugees originally created by the “mistake” of an American-European coalition beholden to Israel, you’re in no position to make such comparisons.

    Israel owned Europe generations before Erdogan. It’s not just about criminalizing historical revisionism, it’s about routinely providing Israel with generous subsidies that allow it to continue its flagrant brutality against Palestinians on a daily basis. Europe is not dramatically different from America in this regard:

    European Commission confirms: Millions of EU-Research Money flows to Israeli Arms Industry

    Also, I think it’s worth mentioning that it was you who raised the subject of Israel again after I took Mr. Anonymous to school on his “eastern world” fabrications about refugee settlement.

    Admittedly, I reserve much of my effort to focus upon the topic of Israel’s influence. Given the extent of the damage done by that special relationship, it deserves as much. If you’re that annoyed by it, then feel free to filter me out.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @German_reader
  509. Talha says:
    @songbird

    I’m shocked he wasn’t worried that it would effect his image, as not everyone likes Star Trek, and there are at least slight atheistic influences in the earlier series, and certainly some weird politics.

    I don’t think the people of Jordan know all that much about it…and since this is mostly off topic.

    Peace.

    [MORE]

    “Krull” always reminds me of this weird sci-fi movie:

    Though my favorite weird sci-fi movie from that time was Ice Pirates.

    I don’t know enough about them to say if they are better than the Saudis, but I’m guessing probably because they weren’t Wahhabists.

    They’re much better than the Saudis for that and other reasons. Their policies are much less destabilizing in the region and they are historically known to have given safe haven from everyone to the Circassians, to the Armenians and even to this day – even though they certainly have less resources than the Saudis:
    “Love is bravely besting fear in Amman, a sprawling city that’s absorbed approximately 1 million refugees, escapees from catastrophe to the north (Syria) and east (Iraq), as well as from violence-racked Libya to the west and Yemen to the south… Soon after Jordan’s King Abdullah II (considered a direct descendent of the Prophet Muhammad) offered his country as an “oasis” to Arab Christians — and others — displaced by IS, Badfy and his family were on a flight from Erbil to Amman.”
    https://www.ncregister.com/news/what-makes-jordan-an-oasis-for-arab-christians

    I prefer the king’s cousin, Ghazi bin Muhammad, who did a stint in the army but is a knowledgeable, spiritual, down-to-earth and articulate man who has done a lot of reconciliation among various Muslim groups. He has a few interviews in English:

    Though, because they are a smaller player, they are usually on the sidelines and have to go along with whatever the other big boys in the region push for. Recently, this meant having to decide between aligning with Turkey-Qatar or Saudi-UAE.

    • Thanks: songbird
  510. Anonymous[671] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnonStarter

    Other internet sources – apart from that rather dubious Wikipedia page you posted, which reeks of state propaganda – explicitly state that Qatar has taken in precisely zero ‘refugees’ or a trivial number, measured in the tens. Those sources, and there are many, have no particular axe to grind.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  511. German_reader says:
    @AnonStarter

    If you can’t understand why Turkey might be frustrated by the burden of absorbing over three and a half million refugees originally created by the “mistake” of an American-European coalition beholden to Israel

    Erdogan and his ilk have an aggressive expansionist agenda of their own, they were intent on overthrowing Assad’s government and didn’t need any prodding by Israel to do so (early last decade Erdogan tried to be patron of the Muslim brothers after all and obviously hoped that sort of people would come to power in both Egypt and Syria). I can understand very well if ordinary Turks resent the presence of so many Syrians in their country, but Erdogan’s pan-Islamic agenda and his intervention in Syria’s civil war are at least partly to blame for that state of affairs.
    You also ignore the role of the Gulf states which supported all manner of extreme Islamist groups in Syria, it wasn’t just an “American-European coalition” controlled by Zionists who intervened heavily in the Syrian civil war.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter