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Lee Kuan Yew, Singapore’s founding father and long-time prime minister (1959–1990), should be a role model for nationalists across the West. Lee was not a philosopher but a practical politician, so his insights are not theoretical but the product of three decades of leadership.

Lee was able to adapt to changing circumstances, eliminate Communist threats, maintain political stability, and reach astonishing levels of prosperity. All this in a small, insecure city-state with no history of independent self-government, in a region marked by aggressive geopolitics and sharp ethnic conflicts. Lee understood not only human capital, racial differences, and ethnic conflict, but navigated these realities to build a thriving nation for his people.

The wreckage of the British Empire

For most Westerners, southeast Asian countries scarcely register as anything other than tourist destinations and old war zones, but they offer interesting cases studies of the difficulties of nation-building and ethnic conflict.

Under the British, what are now Malaysia and Singapore were governed by administrators, such as Stamford Raffles, who ruled with a combination of commercial acumen and genuine moral concern. Economic opportunity brought many Indian and Chinese immigrants to the area. There has been ethnic conflict ever since, especially between the native Malays and the Chinese. By the 1950s, locals of all races wanted independence, but how to create coherent, free, and prosperous nations from heterogeneous human material?

Statue of Sir Stamford Raffles in Singapore (Credit Image: Wachholder0 via Wikimedia)
Statue of Sir Stamford Raffles in Singapore (Credit Image: Wachholder0 via Wikimedia)

Singapore is a small island of just 281 square miles, off the Malaysian coast. Whereas the Chinese diaspora are a scattered minority in the rest of southeast Asia, in Singapore they have long been a majority of 75 percent, the rest of the population being mostly Malays (15 percent) and Indians (7.5 percent).

In the 1950s, Communism was popular among many Singapore Chinese, inspired by Mao Zedong’s triumph on the mainland. Lee Kuan Yew tried to prevent the Bolshevization of Singapore by merging it into a larger country with a conservative Malay majority: Malaysia. This lasted from 1963 to 1965, with Singapore leaving because of ethnic chauvinist policies of the central government dominated by Malay nationalists. Lee said, “I had believed in the merger and unity of these two territories, with people connected by geography, economics, and ties of kinship.” His voice shook as he spoke the final words. This left Singapore alone, surrounded by the much larger, generally hostile Muslim states of Malaysia and Indonesia.

An Illiberal, Stable, and Prosperous Democracy

Lee set about building a new nation with a patriotic people, a prosperous economy, and political stability. He ensured stability with “illiberal” democracy: There were elections at least every five years, but opposition parties could operate only with difficulty, if at all. Communists, Communist sympathizers, and “chauvinists” of various stripes (ethnic, linguistic, or religious) were repressed and excluded from political life. The government had great influence over the media and the ruling People’s Action Party (PAP) ruled an essentially one-party, parliamentary state. Lee also kept close ties with Britain and America as guarantees in the face of foreign threats, Communist or otherwise.

East Asia is the only region in the “global south” with countries that have been able to equal or even surpass Western standards of living. The rest, in the words of Francis Fukuyama, are perpetually trying to “get to Denmark.” Most of the successful nations caught up to the West thanks to stability through authoritarian or non-electoral governments. This has been the case not only in Singapore, but in China, Taiwan, Hong Kong, and also to some extent in Japan and South Korea. Typically, there is collaboration between government and big business together with a high savings rate for reinvesting profits. Once the country is wealthy, with a secure middle class, liberal democracy may then be instituted.

Lee Kuan Yew never trusted Western democracy; he refused to import divisive, multiparty politics. He thought the best people should rule through a meritocratic system of selection and make enlightened long-term plans. He thought this would be impossible under a democratic system susceptible to short-sightedness and demagogy. But whereas South Korea’s and Taiwan’s non-elected illiberal regimes collapsed, the Singapore government’s legitimacy has been continually refreshed at the ballot box, with popular support for authorities who gut liberalism when needed.

Jun 6, 1959 – Singapore – Lee Kuan Yew speaks during a People’s Action Party press conference after the PAP won 43 of the 51 seats in the legislative assembly. (Credit Image: © Keystone Press Agency / Keystone USA via ZUMAPRESS.com)
Jun 6, 1959 – Singapore – Lee Kuan Yew speaks during a People’s Action Party press conference after the PAP won 43 of the 51 seats in the legislative assembly. (Credit Image: © Keystone Press Agency / Keystone USA via ZUMAPRESS.com)

Lee did not reject all the Western practices inherited from the British. He was impressed by the capacity of Western capitalism to stimulate economic growth. With a sharply rising population, Communist agitation among the unemployed, and the end of Singapore’s previous role as a trade hub for the British Empire, the island needed a new model. Lee tried to enrich Singapore through world trade and investment.

In many post-colonial nations, infrastructure and public services declined when the British left. Many of the new governments were chauvinist and socialist. They seized foreign- and minority-owned businesses, which destroyed the trust and incentives needed for economic activity. Together with native incompetence and corruption, this led to stagnation, isolation, and underdevelopment, from Burma to Indonesia.

Lee stamped out corruption and protected all private property and foreign investments. The result was massive Western and Japanese investment, and Singapore benefited enormously from transfers of technology and know-how. In 1965, Singapore’s GDP per capita was US \$500, today it is around \$60,000 (equivalent to \$100,000, considering the low cost of living).

Few governments, whether democratic, liberal, or authoritarian, can claim the continuous legitimacy and popularity that the Singapore regime has enjoyed. Voters supported Lee because he faced down Communists, eliminated corruption, and — last but not least — produced results: decades of political stability and economic growth. The Singapore authorities have kept their peculiar system of government even after Lee left the premiership in 1990.

Biopolitics I: The importance of human capital

Singapore also practices what can be called biopolitics: policies that affect the biological character of the people through immigration, reproduction, and identity formation. Lee wanted to turn the diverse population of Singapore into patriotic citizens. This meant making as many Singaporeans as possible employed property owners with a stake in the new country. He conscripted young men for two years of military service; the island needed citizen-soldiers in case of hostile action by Malaysia, Indonesia, or some Communist power.

As the leader of a resource-poor country trying to copy Japan’s success, Lee promoted “talent,” by which he meant a combination of brains and personality traits suitable for high office in politics and business. Government officials scoured Asian and Western universities to recruit the best Chinese, Malay, and Indian students for the Singapore workforce.

Lee had no doubt that “talent,” including intelligence, had a significant genetic component. He cited Western IQ research and twin studies showing that intelligence differences between individuals are 50 to 80 percent genetic. In the 1980s, Lee was alarmed by the collapse of child-bearing among educated Singaporean women and tried to raise their fertility and lower that of the uneducated. Eugenic policies were unpopular, mostly ineffective, and soon phased out, but Lee told his children to marry a smart spouse if they wanted bright children.

Biopolitics II: Fostering racial identity and harmony

Singapore built a meritocratic system under a unique multi-racialist ideology. Including the Malay Muslim minority, in particular, was meant to pacify relations with Singapore’s nativist Malaysian and Indonesian neighbors. However, in contrast with Western multiculturalism — which demonizes the white majority’s identity while celebrating identities of all non-whites — Singapore’s multi-racialism celebrates the racial identity of all communities, not least the Chinese majority.

A Chinese, a Malay and an Indian woman in Singapore circa 1890. (Credit Image: Leiden University Library via Wikimedia)
A Chinese, a Malay and an Indian woman in Singapore circa 1890. (Credit Image: Leiden University Library via Wikimedia)

Lee saw cultivating ties of family and racial identity as essential to countering Western cultural and capitalist individualism. Singapore’s generous housing policy encourages family formation and keeps grandparents nearby. Racial self-help associations build community support and encourage students to study. Lee started a policy of bilingualism with English as Singapore’s neutral main language, but with mandatory instruction in each “mother tongue:” Chinese learn Mandarin, Malays Malay, and Indians Tamil (or another Indian language). Teaching Asian languages was meant to give Singaporeans “cultural ballast” in the face an emerging Anglo-American global monoculture.

“Mother tongues” deepen each race’s culture and heritage, and heighten connections with the rest of Asia. There is evidence that race and language help form ethnic identities: Even infants prefer seeing faces of their own race and hearing voices with their family’s language and accent. Lee imposed Mandarin on all Chinese. It was not the mother tongue of those who spoke the Hokkien dialect or even English, as Lee did. However, teaching the majority of Singaporeans English and Mandarin made the country a bridge between the West and China.

A warning sign in the four official languages of Singapore (English, Mandarin, Malay, Tamil) found in all Mass Rapid Transit stations. (Credit Images: Danielseoh via Wikimedia)
A warning sign in the four official languages of Singapore (English, Mandarin, Malay, Tamil) found in all Mass Rapid Transit stations. (Credit Images: Danielseoh via Wikimedia)

Biopolitics III: Lee as a Chinese ethnic realist

Lee was well aware of the weaknesses of any multi-racial society and he tried to limit the dangers. In a conflict with Singapore’s neighbors, many Malay Muslim citizens might feel more solidarity with enemies rather than with Singapore. Malays were therefore exempted from conscription and police work, although this policy was later relaxed.

Lee understood racial differences. Observers had long noticed that Malays were easy-living and “lethargic,” while Chinese were driven and entrepreneurial. Lee Kuan Yew and a Malaysian nationalist prime minister Mahathir Mohamad had similar views: the Chinese had been selected by a culture of study and hard work, as well as by cold winters in China; tropical Malays had not. On trips to Europe, Lee remarked on the differences between efficient Germans and easy-going Italians. He was also aware of differences in performance and social outcomes in the United States. He said in a 1982:

Let us not deceive ourselves: our talent profile is nowhere near that of, say, the Jews or the Japanese in America. The exceptional number of Nobel Prize winners who are Jews is no accident. It is also no accident that a high percentage, sometimes 50 percent, of faculty members in the top American universities on both the east and west coasts are Jews. And the number of high-caliber Japanese academics, professionals, and business executives is out of all proportion to the percentage of Japanese in the total American population.

Lee was also impressed by Richard Herrnstein and Charles Murray’s The Bell Curve. He told his authorized biographers:

The bell curve is a fact of life. The blacks on average score 85 percent on IQ and it is accurate, nothing to do with culture. The whites score on average 100. Asians score more . . . . The Bell Curve authors put it at least 10 points higher. These are realities that, if you do not accept, will lead to frustration because you will be spending money on wrong assumptions and the results cannot follow.

In a 1993 article written for The Economist, Lee predicted that Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong, coastal China, and Singapore would become very prosperous in the next century, while the rest of Asia would not. National differences were due to “a people’s culture, heredity, and organizational strengths.” Lee was right.

Panoramic view of Singapore’s Central Business District (Credit Image: Ray in Manila via Wikimedia)
Panoramic view of Singapore’s Central Business District (Credit Image: Ray in Manila via Wikimedia)

Lee’s policies made it possible to build an island of racial harmony in a world of ethnic tensions. In neighboring Malaysia, the Malays officially discriminate against the Chinese (who dominate much of the economy and are overrepresented in universities). Southeast Asia has seen many race riots, mostly targeting ethnic Chinese. Singapore is a success story.

There was also no denying Lee’s pride in his Chinese identity. In an exuberant post-election victory speech in 1977, he told a multi-racial audience: “I understand the Englishman. He knows deep in his heart that he is superior to the Welshman and the Scotsman. . . . Deep here, I am a Chinaman.” Lee’s policies quietly maintained Singapore’s 75-percent Chinese majority. In his 1989 National Day speech he said changing the country’s ethnic composition would mean “a shift in the economy, both the economic performance and the political backdrop which makes that economic performance possible.”

Academics cried “racism” but there is no denying Lee’s successes. Few populations are as studious and hard-working as overseas Chinese, and Lee’s brand of politics probably would not be possible without a large Chinese majority. Singapore would be much more fractious if there were no majority and, in particular, if the majority were not East Asian. To this day, Singapore has officially maintained a successful policy of “maintaining the racial balance,” just as the United States tried to do with the Immigration Act of 1924.

Biopolitics IV: The failure of family formation

Lee had one great failure: family formation. Immigration has kept Singapore majority-Chinese, but the fertility rate is a catastrophic 1.15, and an aging population may have to resort to replacement-level immigration. Singapore has ambitious and generous policies to encourage child-bearing, but they don’t work. However, all 10 of Asia’s least fertile countries are in the east or southeast, so this is a regional problem:

CountryFertility Rate
Malaysia1.76
Brunei1.75
China1.60
Thailand1.54
Japan1.38
Hong Kong1.22
Macau1.21
Singapore1.15
South Korea1.09
Taiwan1.07

Lee turned Singaporeans into bourgeois consumers for whom no level of wealth seems to be enough. In the 1960s, Singaporeans lived on almost nothing and had a fertility rate of around six. Today, Singaporeans avoid having children so they can pursue careers. Lee’s corporate and multi-racial style of politics didn’t succeed in making a tribal appeal to perpetuate one’s people — as the Israelis have done (the Jewish fertility rate in Israel is now around three).

A great Asian statesman and nation-builder

Singapore’s successes reflect the country’s ability to keep economic elements of the British colonial inheritance along with Asian traditions and habits. Success came from Anglo institutions and Sinic virtue. Lee Kuan Yew almost seems like an Asian archeofuturist. Low fertility is a failure, but just such a hypermodern society may be the one that finds solutions to dysgenic trends.

Mar 18, 2015 – Singapore – Former Prime Minister of Lee Kuan Yew raising his arms in victory after being declared the winner of Tanjong Pagar Group Representative Constituency at the close of Nomination Day. (Credit Image: © Xinhua via ZUMA Wire)
Mar 18, 2015 – Singapore – Former Prime Minister of Lee Kuan Yew raising his arms in victory after being declared the winner of Tanjong Pagar Group Representative Constituency at the close of Nomination Day. (Credit Image: © Xinhua via ZUMA Wire)

Few politicians have steely-eyed realism and deft implementation. A combination of forcefulness and subtlety was the key to Lee’s success. From the ethnic flotsam of a dissolving British Empire, Lee Kuan Yew built a prosperous nation for his people. Europeans from South Africa to North America may some day make new nations out of the wreckage of the globalized West. They should study this great Asian statesman.

(Republished from American Renaissance by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Anonymous[411] • Disclaimer says:

    Singapore is a small country, same as Switzerland, that essentialy fills a niche and is good at exploiting that niche. But what works for these countries cannot work for much larger countries.

    Also, as the article itself notes, Singapore has very low fertility. The only way it can work in the long run is by leeching human capital from someplace else. And what do you do when all countries with good human capital go below replacement?

    The only solution to the demographic problems of developed countries is a radical reconfiguration of society with two fundamental vectors: lowering production and consumption and increasing fertility. You can’t do that in capitalism. You can’t do that in a system whose main purpose is increasing GDP at all costs, and whose internal logic dictates that a big enough economy solves everything else.

  2. An excellent piece.
    Singapore is a genuine success story amidst a world of mediocrity, made possible by the exceptional intelligence, wisdom and strength of character of an heroic individual.

    • Agree: Decoy, Arthur MacBride
  3. @Anonymous

    You can’t do that in capitalism. You can’t do that in a system whose main purpose is increasing GDP at all costs, and whose internal logic dictates that a big enough economy solves everything else.

    A really insightful point. I read recently that China is putting its mind to how it can simultaneously increase birthrates and production without falling in to the trap of importing labour. It’ll be really interesting to see what they come up with.

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  4. A modern day Lee Kuan Yew would be filtered out of every western political system.

  5. songbird says:

    If you look at the back of LKY’s memoir, there are some neo-liberal names that recommend it – probably they never read it.

    I hope that means that it will be overlooked by the censors, and perhaps even be in the prison library for dissidents, wherein they stock only books by people like Al Gore, Donald Rumsfield, and that new action thriller “by” HRC, as one as the one where Merkel solves mysteries. Who else would buy these books, but to stock a torture chamber?

    They might get suspicious when I keep renewing it.

  6. Chinese are finished in Singapore because they put class and elitism first and swallowed the modern Western view on the sexes. Also, they put family before tribe.

    When push comes to shove, East Asians put class above race. After all, Confucianism is about passing tests to join the mandarin class. Status is what matters most. So, East Asians, like deracinated whites, will favor globalist elites over masses of their own kind. Also, the familism means East Asians care most about the success of their children. Thus, a child who does well in school and becomes successful is the highest ideal for the East Asian family. If a Chinese family had to choose between a child who goes global, neglects his own race/culture, and attains professional success AND a child who remains true to his race/culture but drives a truck, the family will invariably favor the former. As the West dominates the world and insists upon all global elites to betray their own kind, East Asians will do anything for success. Only mainland China has been relatively impervious to this because its regime is independent of the West. All other East Asians from Japan to Singapore are total dogs of the West. Vietnam is somewhat in the middle.

    Finally, East Asians decided to offer equal educational and career opportunity to the women. As East Asians are more education-oriented, more of their women are educated, and educated women tend to be less likely to get married. For some, it’s career over family. For others, their standards for mates are too high and they reject any man who falls short of their ideal. Educated women tend to look down on lots of men as ignoramuses or ‘losers’. Also, as more women take jobs from men, fewer men have the kinds of jobs that can attract educated women.

    East Asian elitism also means, as more of them get educated, fewer of them want to do ‘dirty’ work. Also, educated parents don’t want to raise loser kids and so have children only when they feel they have the resources to raise them to be successful. That means many kids are fall into the category of the Only Child. A family with a girl as Only Child will do everything to make her succeed in life, and that means taking a slot from a male. With dwindling population and with educated Asians only wanting clean jobs, East Asian nations have no choice but take in tons of non-East-Asian immigrants and this will lead to Great Replacement. Singapore remained majority Chinese only because of continued immigration from the mainland. It is fated to be majority Hindu and Muslim because those societies are more gloriously sex-ist than modern East Asia.

    So, in the end, Lee Kuan Yew failed. He did have some enlightened race-ist views, but his formula for Singapore wasn’t all that different from that of rest of East Asian.

    In the end, only neo-fascism is the way.

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  7. sher singh says:

    However, in contrast with Western multiculturalism — which demonizes the white majority’s identity while celebrating identities of all non-whites — Singapore’s multi-racialism celebrates the racial identity of all communities, not least the Chinese majority.


    Do you think a lot of this is because multiculturalism is built into a polytheist spirit, while for the West it’s essentially fighting its individualistic and assimilatory tendencies.

    The Chinese don’t expect Malays to celebrate the Lunar New Year, but will celebrate Diwali with Indians simply because the Dharmic/Pagan spirit sees the same soul in all, with all religions, festivities being a manifestation of the same divine.

    There’s also the small factoid that Chinese, Malays, and Indians don’t have a centennial history of trying to subjugate, and scientifically genocide each other under a guise of ‘objectivity’. Glad to have you back though, Guillame.

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  8. In the early 1960s, Robert Heinlein wrote a novel, Glory Road, whose narrator spent a day in Singapore. He described it as a disgusting place. For the longest time, that was my image of Singapore, until I read enough to realize that it had changed enormously, and for the better. Today, I wouldn’t mind living there.

  9. TG says:

    An interesting post. I also am an admirer of Lee Kuan. I’ve been to Singapore, I didn’t fall in love with it like I’ve fallen in love with Florence or Japan or the South of France, but still, it’s impressive what they have achieved there.

    But: the data on living standards is not really correct. I mean, nominally Singapore has a higher standard of living than Canada, but that’s lie. At least until recently (when the Canadian oligarchs have opened the border to third-world invasion), the average Canadian could easily afford a private car, a private house, and a house on a lake etc. In Singapore you’d have to be a billionaire to afford these things. Singapore is nice and safe and clean, but the average person lives in a small apartment (which they don’t own but is leased from the state at subsidized rates) and really doesn’t have all that much else to do except eat and play video games or watch TV. Competition for jobs is fierce, and I’m all for competition, but the average worker is under a lot of pressure, maybe not a good time to raise a large family. I think the low fertility rate is in large part a reflection of this, that in effect the Singaporean people are voting for a smaller and more relaxed nation, but of course they are going to be over-ruled by the elites who know better than we do how many children we should have.

    It also should be noted that there is a large population of low wage ‘guest’ workers living there, they aren’t citizens but they are there and the economy depends on them. Again, Singapore might not be as prosperous overall as it seems in the nominal economic data.

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  10. Every single human scheme that has started off with the wrong premise of what human nature is really like, has failed. There is no perfection, where humans are concerned. But any regime with the scheme of making human’s conform to modern technology, might be successful but will end up as one without human beings but robots in the flesh. That is why the National Socialists were ambivalent about technology, yet willing to cede to it when necessary. And this is exactly the path the U.S. is following today. Only the most determined of Americans, and a lot of them, will save the U.S. from this fate. It is often thought that the N.S. regime was creating a society of robots but that is not entirely true. German soldiers were often encouraged to engage with senior officers on points they did not agree with. Every German did not immediately reflexively do a Hitler salute. It was not until WW2 started that the National Socialists excesses became, well, excessive.

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  11. anon[358] • Disclaimer says:
    @sher singh

    How is polytheism working out for India?
    Does relgious belief undermine scientific belief ?
    No it doesnt as long as both are respected and kept seperate . We forget people have rights to live the way they want as long as they dont impose their ways on others and dont feel their ways are under threat .

    (Lee knew and allowed the differnt languages to flourish . He did not start any affiramtive actions . He focussed on early universal edcuation . He did not alow religion to have any subsidy from state .He didn try to rewrite history and waste energy on useless pursuits that could have been easily claimed by any with substabdrd education and high passion and melt the country mired in useless activities we see in India and Pakistan ) .

    But both require certain tolerance of the things that are foreign and dissimialr .That depends on certain objectivity that can be shaped by religion and science.
    India and Pakistan suffer not from lack of religion but from the claims that certain religions have rights to impose its way on other .Once the acccess to power,wealth,and control is ensured solely by religious expression and parctices,then the other avenues to reach success power and wealth get wiped out driving the intelligent out and bringing the psychopaths in with devout followers in tow jousting for the crumbs marinated in religious jargons.

    India ‘s elite has an edge over Pakistan. India has used religion to keep the majority enslaved but keeping the edcuation , attitudes and performances of the elite seperate. Pakistan due to nature of the religion cant do. So its elites fell and drowned itself with the majority galvanized by religious extremism except occasional exceptions.

    Pakistan is not India in many resepcts But they are where it matters – general edcuation ,type of fous on education, , religious extremism,and pandering to the zealots . The cultural amibence of both are reduced to religious outfits and multidtude of religious activities in daily lives .

    A Lee would have been long ago murdered in India and also in Pakistan by eitehr the local forces or by CIA. Singapore is good as long as it is tiny .A Singapore with Indian population and size would have been China facing same treatments that China faces .
    Singalore ‘s succcess has a lot to do with Amercian non -inetrefrence but also from ceratin kind of expectation from Singapore .
    Success of Singapore cant be attributed soley to the qualities Lee has exhibited . Hindsight is always 20/20.
    Yes passion hard work and the survival instsincts of Singpore Chinese threatened by lack of natural resources or extractable raw commodity did help.

    • Replies: @sher singh
  12. sher singh says:
    @anon

    “[T]he emergence of the first liberal states — the Netherlands, and later Britain and the US — were not marginal to the arrival of chattel slavery, but its primary drivers.”

    “When rallying the cause of American independence in 1765, … Freedom meant the ‘freedom’ to enslave the non-European;

    America’s liberation struggle was borne of white settlers distinguishing themselves from those who deserved oppression.”

    https://tribunemag.co.uk/2021/04/how-liberals-rewrite-their-own-history

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    • LOL: Marcion
  13. Lee Kwan Yew may not have been able to solve all problems, but what he achieved was amazing considering the tools he had to work with. Singapore is like a gleaming jewel surrounded by mediocrity. If an American leader emerged that had his qualities and he had the support of congress and the House, he could solve most of America’s problems in a few years. This would involve giving the blacks their own country carved out of some of the south, the hispanics would be given other parts, jews would be given lower New York state and city and the whites would retain a proportion that was in accord with their numbers. Freed from the blacks and jews, white America would reach a level of prosperity and greatness it hadn’t seen since the 1940’s.

    • Replies: @Goddard
  14. In an exuberant post-election victory speech in 1977, he told a multi-racial audience: “I understand the Englishman. He knows deep in his heart that he is superior to the Welshman and the Scotsman…”

    So, Lee was an idiot? Yes. Anyone praising the english like that is an idiot.

    Manipulating the tendency of East Asian populations to trade liberties for stability does not a genius make.

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  15. “But whereas South Korea’s and Taiwan’s non-elected illiberal regimes collapsed,”

    I beg to differ…. The US forced both of those countries to change. Their regimes had challenges – but they were mostly secure. It was the US in both cases that forced liberal democracy on them. An argument can be made they are both stagnant ever since.

  16. @Anonymous

    “Singapore is a small country, same as Switzerland, that essentialy fills a niche and is good at exploiting that niche. But what works for these countries cannot work for much larger countries.”

    But that is not true. China’s re-emergence is directly a result of Chinese leader Deng going to meet Lee in Singapore. He told Deng in essence “we are the offspring of servant Chinese – if you follow a similar model as us you can achieve much more”. Deng then opened up Shenzen and then over the next decades literally thousands of Chinese government cadres were sent to Singapore to learn governance. Of course – China has a large rural population – but they are still urbanizing. But that’s the main difference. People say China is a closed off government but that is not true. There is one foreign government that China allows to have actual affect on government policy in China. That is Singapore. It’s not hyperbole. There are at least 4 projects I am aware of (I might miss one or two). Suzhou-Singapore industrial park – Guangzhou knowledge city – Tianjin Eco city – Chongqing Connectivity Initiative. Shanghai and Singapore have more MOU’s than I can count.

    “Also, as the article itself notes, Singapore has very low fertility. The only way it can work in the long run is by leeching human capital from someplace else. And what do you do when all countries with good human capital go below replacement?”

    Yes that is true… But so far – no one anywhere has been able to solve the problem yet. It seems to be something with human beings that as societies modernize – people stop having babies. Europe is almost all below replacement. The white population in the US is below replacement. It might not be politically correct – but I am also sure a lot of it has to do with women working. Stressed women don’t reproduce as well. And of course many delay their prime child bearing years to chase careers. That of course is a problem. Even France with so much maternity leave can’t solve it.
    Going forward there will be increased automation in the job market. So it isn’t much of an issue. It IS however an issue when it becomes to what makes us humans. Families are most important to the fabric of society (Singapore actually incentivizes Chinese filial piety by giving tax breaks to families who choose to live near their parents – for societal continuity as well as the idea the government won’t be burdened to care for elderly) . So in some ways wealth can be a curse. For that – again – no one seems to have an answer.

    • Replies: @Sarah
  17. @Priss Factor

    “Also, they put family before tribe.”

    Yes but tribe absolutely mattered as Singapore rose. Your network as a Chinese migrant depended on family and then tribe. See westerners make the mistake of think all Han Chinese are the same. That was patently false. Singapore was made up of Teochew – Hakka – Hokkien – Cantonese people. They are all Han but their clans were very different and they spoke different languages. So they stuck together in Singapore. That was why Lee imposed Mandarin. He said speak your clan dialect at home – but for public learn Mandarin. The Chinese were NOT happy he did that. But in reality – he made the right decision for Singapore – as was done on Mainland China also.

    Now what you said about the women and education – you are absolutely correct… I have no dispute there. It’s not politically correct to say – but sadly I don’t see how it can go back. But actually you should check – India’s birth rate is falling rapidly as well.. Same reason. It hasn’t happened as fast – but it is happening… Check the #’s.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
  18. @TG

    Singapore has an over 80% home ownership rate…. In the west it’s like a condo. yes even the government housing is mostly owned. If you read his memoirs he noted that was one of the first priorities he had. As a city state – he wanted ownership to be high. he said renters feel they have no stake in where they live – so they need ownership among all income levels. That is one of the main reasons Singapore is so clean and relatively crime free.

  19. Ghali says:

    Lee Kuan Yew was a Neo-fascist dictator. Singapore is not a democracy. It is an authoritarian, ethnically dived Island City where racism is a stable diet of the ruling Chinese elite. It is built on cheap slave labours (single men and single women) from the Subcontinent who denied their basic human rights. In addition, Singapore is a US vassal state that participates and supports American global terrorism and aggression.

  20. @sher singh

    Why do you have to shove India into this discussion? I have noticed this on every forum on every subject from sports to cinema to politics Indians will somehow bring india into the conversation. Its really strange and annoying. And from what I’ve heard the mainland singaporeans despise the Indians, worse than they despise the mainland Chinese and that’s saying something..

    • Replies: @Dragon Shield
  21. I respect the man. I really do. But one cannot imply that he would have changed the face of say China or America if he were born there. What works for a geographically tiny nation without a lot of history and with a population of a few million cannot work for large multicultural nations that have existed for far longer than Singapore.

  22. Oh, so a multi-ethnic society can live in harmony, eh?

    Well, I’ll be durned.

    But but but . . . this here very magazine done taught me agin and agin and agin that that were impossible.

    Live ‘n’ learn, boys. Live ‘n’ larn.

    • Replies: @Marcion
  23. anon[307] • Disclaimer says:

    1. coastal china doesn’t have cold winters.

    2. china is poorer than mexico in gdp per capita ppp terms. half its people are totally shut out.

    3. north korea is a shithole.

    4. singapore is the world’s largest entrepot. it was a british city for the same reason hong kong was. geography.

    5. yoo’s hereditism is simplistic to say the least. charles murray would’ve been put down by aktion t4 for profound mental retardation.

    • Replies: @karel
  24. Singaporeans avoid having children so they can pursue careers. Lee didn’t succeed in making a tribal appeal to perpetuate one’s people — as the Israelis have done (the Jewish fertility rate in Israel is now around three).

    Too early to call Israel’s model a success. Their high fertility is in part pushed by Haredi Jews having 5-6 kids per woman. It’s true that even secular Jews have fertility above 2.1 per woman, but it’s still twice or thrice lower than Haredi.

    There have been many attempts at integrating Haredi into a modern economy; all have failed. Israel also has far less movement from Haredi to secular streams than in the diaspora. As the Haredi population share grow, the cultural pressure to do so will be reduced even further. Arabs [~20% of the population] have by and large not succeeded socoeconomically either.

    It seems like nobody has really solved this puzzle of maintaining a modern economy and having high fertility. Israel may seem like a success now, but we won’t see the cost of their policies until 2050 or 2060, and the trendline is terrible, as any Israeli demographer will tell you.

  25. Anon[178] • Disclaimer says:

    Lee Kwan Yu is one of the most significant statesmen of the last 200 years. Thank you for this article

  26. karel says:
    @anon

    It seems that, unlike North Korea, Singapore is a posh shithole where only a few can reasonably live, According to the 2021 price index, (see below).

    Apartment (1 bedroom) in City Centre 2,901.82 S\$ 2,000.00-4,000.00
    Apartment (1 bedroom) Outside of Centre 1,959.39 S\$ 1,300.00-2,800.00
    Apartment (3 bedrooms) in City Centre 5,665.38 S\$ 4,000.00-8,000.00
    Apartment (3 bedrooms) Outside of Centre 3,199.21 S\$ 2,400.00-5,000.00
    Buy Apartment Price
    Price per Square Meter to Buy Apartment in City Centre 25,653.85 S\$ 20,930.00-35,520.90
    Price per Square Meter to Buy Apartment Outside of Centre 13,187.15 S\$ 8,640.00-17,222.26
    Salaries And Financing
    Average Monthly Net Salary (After Tax) 5,507.52 S\$
    Mortgage Interest Rate in Percentages (%), Yearly, for 20 Years Fixed-Rate 2.02 1.20-3.00

    The average salary barely covers the costs of living in one bedroom flat. Where those earning somewhat less actually live, is a mystery to me. Thank you very much, Harry Lee.

    • Agree: Alfred
    • Replies: @Deep Thought
    , @Poupon Marx
  27. brams says:

    If the large Chinese community explains the prosperity of Singapore, as in the PRC, the lack of any Jewish lobby make it easier. And, one wonders who is behind the current sinophobia in America.

  28. @Anonymous

    Singapore is a small country, same as Switzerland, that essentialy fills a niche and is good at exploiting that niche. But what works for these countries cannot work for much larger countries.

    This is a sentiment I see expressed by many Americans. It is usually used to brush off successes by other countries because deep down inside, Americans loathe admitting that USA is not No.1.

    When one looks at the successes of another country one does not have to copy everything wholesale. One only needs to study it to find out aspects that can be learned from. For small countries/states like Dubai and Rwanda, alot can be copied.

    But even in far larger countries like China (4X the size of USA) they have managed to learn many lessons. Few Americans realise that China has been studying the Singapore model since the late 70s and adapting it to their own circumstances.

    Also, as the article itself notes, Singapore has very low fertility. The only way it can work in the long run is by leeching human capital from someplace else. And what do you do when all countries with good human capital go below replacement?

    Singapore is a really small place. Whatever human capital she takes from elsewhere will be like a mosquito bite on an elephant.

    For countries with good human capital to go below replacement, Singapore would have to be the size of the USA. Which incidentally did leech human capital from around the world for many decades.

    • Agree: showmethereal
    • Replies: @antibeast
  29. Sarah says:
    @showmethereal

    Even France with so much maternity leave can’t solve it.

    The fertility rate of France is 1.8, so already clearly below what it would take to maintain the population.

    In reality this rate is due to the high birth rate of millions of North African, Black African and Arab immigrants, most of them Muslims. When the majority of the natives have 0, 1 or at best 2 children, the aforementioned immigrants often have 3 or 4.

    The real birth rate, that of the native white European Caucasians, is estimated at 1.5, difficult to know precisely because the French government forbids racial statistics.
    But in spite of that, it can be measured when you read the birth and death records and what is on the streets and in the transportation.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    , @showmethereal
  30. @Ghali

    The majority of both the Chinese and the Indians of Singapore (and Malaysia) are descendants of coolies, brought there by the colonial British. So why are the Indians still coolies but the Chinese are middle class? Answer: average IQ of Chinese is 105, of Indians 81. Blame nature, not “racism”.

    • Agree: Alfred
  31. Greed is as infinite as the universe and not knowing how to handle it in time made the opportunity for a second chance to be missed, now it is foolish to believe that the current state of affairs, with thousands dying of hunger while a few travel to the stars, could be sustained for a long time. And in the end it will not matter how many people are killed in the name of freedom and democracy.

  32. JackOH says:

    Guillaume, thanks. I’m a Westerner, and my knowledge of Lee is from newspaper snippets that were always favorable. I bought a Rolleiflex SLR made in Singapore in the mid-1970s. I was a bit wary of its place of manufacture, but it proved a fine camera indeed.

    However, in contrast with Western multiculturalism — which demonizes the white majority’s identity while celebrating identities of all non-whites — Singapore’s multi-racialism celebrates the racial identity of all communities, not least the Chinese majority.

    I sort of dislike glib phrases, such as “that says it all”, but, by gosh, that quote does say it all about the illiberal and inept West, so fearful of a politics of national solidarity that it chooses the scapegoating of its majority population to achieve a decidedly unjust “social justice”.

  33. The socio-economic success of Singapore leading to the failure with regard to reproduction is not a specific failure of the Singaporean model per se, it is a general failure of all modern developed nations, be it in the West or in the Far East, all of whom suffer from a sub-replacement birthrate.

    The reason is that one-sided stress on material prosperity leads to hedonistic selfishness and thus to shunning reproduction, which requires idealism and sacrifice. Materialism does not inspire idealism. Thus the “success” of materialism ultimately dooms itself to failure.

    For most people the only source of idealism (and the acceptance of sacrifice) is religion.
    Wealthy educated secular people are typically more interested in pleasure than in raising children. Everywhere in the world it is the religious who reproduce, not the secular. Wealth and education alone are not the decisive factor, religion is. Mormons for example are generally well educated and wealthy, but they are also religious, hence they do procreate. Same with secular and religious Jews.

    • Thanks: showmethereal
  34. Marshal Marlow is right but idealism will ultimately yield to realism.

    To paraphrase Joyce, tribes will re-emerge because of supply and demand economics.

  35. @sher singh

    Exodus 20:23

    You shall not make other gods besides Me; gods of silver or gods of gold, you shall not make for
    yourselves.

    Isaiah 2:8

    Their land has also been filled with idols; They worship the work of their hands, That which their fingers have made.

    • LOL: Jatt Aryaa
    • Replies: @Dragon Shield
    , @sher singh
  36. @Thulean Friend

    The National Socialists wrote off the cities as demographic sinks anyway – Julius Caesar already famously tried to fiscally incentivize matrimonium – and threw all policy resources on maximizing the number of debt-free self-employed farmers (Reichserbhofgesetz), and it worked miracles for both productivity and fertility (Israeli “settlers” are a rip-off).

    Singapore did not have that opportunity (and Israel not really). What the author euphemistically calls a “trade hub” is of course a maritime chokepoint/pirate fortress – the reason for its “independence” in the first place – and has to bow to whatever dipshit rules the waves at the moment. Lee threw all resources on the only resource he had – people -> education, and he succeeded admirably (the ultimate judgment). He is right that with a population of Malays it couldn´t have been done (their word for “laid-back” – senang – is practically a way of life) but by all accounts racial amity is also admirable.

    I´m just not sure if there are applicable lessons to be drawn.

  37. Alfred says:

    One of my friends is a Hokkien from Singapore. He is 71. He now lives in New Zealand. His father had over 20 kids with different wives and unofficial wives. They all lived in the same house. They are all successful and university graduates. Most of them have moved away from Singapore. Before the plandemic, my friend would like to visit his brothers and sisters around the world. My friend has only one child – with a Filipina lady.

    IMHO, Lee Kuan Yew did a great job. But there are some things that one cannot control. The current prime minister is Lee Hsien Loong – a son of LKY. He has been PM for 17 years. It would seem that some Chinese customs are hard to eradicate. He became PM one year before LKY died. There was another PM between these two. 🤣

  38. I lived in Singapore for four years (then retired back to the US). I was warned they were a draconian state, gum and most non-prescription drugs verboten. Shi-sha (hookah, waterpipe) a mainstay of Muslim restaurants where people would go and have long discussions daily (once every three weeks or so for me!) was abolished while I was there, for “health reasons”, although cigarettes were not touched (Chinese men smoke). Alcohol was heavily taxed, so expensive (most Chinese don’t drink). Cars were also heavily taxed and regulated (not even needed– they are a status symbol ONLY– the whole country is 30 miles by 10 miles and easily circumnavigated by a bicycle or the excellent public transportation. There are sidewalks and public restrooms everywhere, great for morning walking but too hot and humid in the afternoons. Taxes are extremely low and except for hotels and touristy areas, taxes and tips are included in all stated prices.
    When I first started working there, my computer connections were slow. When I complained to my Singaporean friends, they all laughed– “you are being watched. But you are boring, so they’ll stop soon”, and they did. There is almost no violent crime in Singapore, and like Nordic countries, corruption is not tolerated. Singaporeans love to travel, and are open to new ideas, but follow Asian ways. Lots of entrepreneurs. Spectacular architecture and green parks everywhere (for over 5.9 million people). People are welcoming and hardworking.
    They have infinitely more trust in their government agencies than we have in the US, as their more competent Covid response showed. Covid death rate in Singapore: 139 per million; in the US: 2509 per million.
    The negative aspects of Singapore are subtle and hidden. Super competitive, most moms are Tiger Moms and there are no “late bloomers” allowed; a kid’s life is charted out before they are 12. The Elderly who proudly built Singapore are frequently exasperated with the Youth (even more so than elsewhere)– “they won’t sweat, won’t do hard physical work” (but all males serve two years of military service, though Singapore since independence has never been attacked. There is barbed wire fencing everywhere, and signs implying you will be shot if you enter). Singapore is CLEAN and beautiful (due to day labor from Malaysia constantly cleaning). There is an obvious hierarchy throughout Singapore (maybe just not as obvious as in the US where the wealthy do not mix with the poorest). Food is incredible!
    Probably their biggest weakness is they don’t have much of a history of innovation. May change, as they love technology, and bring in outsiders for expertise. When asked What are Singaporeans best at? They invariably reply “Following the Rules!”

  39. Truth says:
    @Anonymous

    Every Western country will have a “low fertility problem”, much lower than now, from 12/20 until the end of time…

    Which won’t be that far.

  40. Truth says:
    @Marshal Marlow

    Yes:

    But then he was a 5’4 Chinese guy. So was ultra-liberal, Andrew Yang.

    • Replies: @36 ulster
  41. Yee says:

    Singapore probably is as socialist as China. The government owns a lot of enterprises, all the domestic big names in Singapore are state-owned or major shareholder. It’s fair to say Singapore is built by her government.

    So, yes, Lee Kuan Yew can take full credit for building Singapore.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Deep Thought
  42. Truth says:
    @Thulean Friend

    Nobody, now reading this article, will see 2050.

    A very small minority will see 2030.

  43. Ron Unz says:
    @Yee

    Singapore probably is as socialist as China…So, yes, Lee Kuan Yew can take full credit for building Singapore.

    I strongly agree. Here’s an old comment of mine from a half-dozen years ago that I would still stand behind:

    As one or two other commenters have suggested, I would argue that future historians will rank Lee among the towering world leaders of the last half-century, perhaps less because what he did directly in his postage-stamp-sized city-state than because of his broader influence, especially with regard to the rise of China.

    When the post-Mao Chinese leadership looked around at the world, I’d think that Lee’s great success provided them their strongest indicator that a turn to guided market economics might take them to a place they actually wanted to go. Western countries were totally different and completely disorderly. Japan was their traditional enemy, with a very different cultural structure, while the South Koreans were former vassals. Taiwan was one of their bitterest ideological foes, and tiny colonial Hong Kong, with its chaos, crime, and corruption was hardly a model for the billion-plus Middle Kingdom. But many of the PRC leaders probably looked at orderly, clean, successful, and disciplined Singapore and saw a future they could embrace, with some of their public statements indicating this. Back in the late 1970s I and my friends frequently discussed exactly this point, joking that perhaps Deng should consider giving Lee a medium-sized province to run, just to see how well his methods scaled. So I think a case can be made that the two refounders of modern China were Deng and Lee.

    For Communists to admire Singapore doesn’t seem too surprising to me. Although Lee may be widely hailed as a great man by neo-reactionaries throughout the world, I’d suspect that if the leading European Socialist thinkers of 100+ years ago were brought back to life, they might grumble at some of Lee’s ideological deviations–notably his vocal embrace of Capitalism—but overall they would feel that no other world political leader of the last century had come so close to achieving the dreams and goals they’d set, and so quickly, under such difficult conditions.

    As I recall, Lee started his career as a dedicated Socialist, founder of the People’s Action Party, and was even occasionally suspected of being a Communist by his British colonial rulers. Once he came to power, his early emphasis on public housing, education, health, and government-directed economic development were certainly in broad accordance with such an ideological orientation. Put another way, what other world leader of the last century would have had policies and achievements that all those old-fashioned late 19th century Marxists would find superior? Jimmy Carter? Brezhnev? Mao? Certainly most of what constitutes the present-day “Left” would simply be shipped off en masse to mental institutions or work-farms.

    So one of the ideological oddities of our topsy-turvy modern world is that (arguably) the world’s finest exemplar of successfully implemented 19th century Leftism was today widely considered on the extreme rightwing fringe of international respectability. At least by our silly Western MSM. China probably contains more card-carrying Communists than the rest of the world combined, and the CCP greatly admired Lee, underscoring the foolishness of this ideological verdict.

    Obviously, there is a considerable trans-ideological aspect to failure. Leaders who are corrupt, drunken, and incompetent are rarely admired by either the Left or the Right. But I think it’s far more rare that Communists, Socialists, and rightwingers join together in praising a single leader’s achievements.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/lee-kuan-yews-flawed-utopia/#comment-909271

    • Agree: Escher
    • Replies: @Yee
    , @Exile
  44. @karel

    Where those earning somewhat less actually live, is a mystery to me.

    They must be living on the streets!!

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=people+living+on+the+streets+in+the+america

  45. @RJ Macready

    One supposes that he is bringing up his country to impress that he loves his own people just as you hate them with passion.

    What Sher Singh fails to mention, which is a credit to him, is that the White rulers of Asia preferred the yellow Chinese over the brown Indians or Muslim Malays (after all, the White men who were making favorable decisions to Lee loved Chinese women not the darker ones, with exceptions) and thus they have prospered but the lack of fecundity is now catching up. Look at it another way: Tamils are favored by Jewish elites in America and you can see that they have prospered just like the Chinese in Singapore. It’s not rocket science!

    P. S. Your hatred of Indians and your genuflection to the Chinese is very clear but you ought scold the author of the article for bringing in Tamils at all; he could have made his case (I don’t think he did it very well) with just Whites, Chinese and Malays. So, if you want to bark, then go to the right tree, DOG!

    • Thanks: Jatt Aryaa
    • Replies: @Mehool Mehta
  46. Miro23 says:

    LKY was not entirely right on race:

    It is also no accident that a high percentage, sometimes 50 percent, of faculty members in the top American universities on both the east and west coasts are Jews.

    Jews as a group are talented, but nothing like enough to take that share of faculty members. They aggressively seek positions of power and deploy preferential tribal selection when they gain them.

    “I understand the Englishman. He knows deep in his heart that he is superior to the Welshman and the Scotsman. . . . Deep here, I am a Chinaman.”

    He may understand Chinamen but he doesn’t understand Englishmen. I’ve never seen any trace of tribal selection of English over Scots or Welsh. He should reflect on how many highly talented Scots were administrators in his corner of the British Empire.

    Singapore, South Korea and Taiwan all come at the bottom of the fertility list.

    Singapore 1.15
    South Korea 1.09
    Taiwan 1.07

    It’s probably not surprising, given that citizens of these places report that they’re under very heavy pressure ( education and employment) and are exhausted by the rat race. So maybe low fertility is a indirect way of people there saying that they’re not happy.

    In his book “Asian Godfathers: Money and Power in Hong Kong and South East Asia” the knowledgeable Joe Studwell notes Singapore’s not so publicized role as a major money laundering centre:

    Indeed, in recent years, as the European Union finally brought pressure to bear on Switzerland and other European private banking centers to block tax evasion and introduce withholding tax for some non-nationals, Singapore moved to fill a global – as well as its regional niche. The city increased account secrecy provisions and changed trust laws in a manner designed to attract the kind of money Switzerland had dealt in: the number of foreign private banks in Singapore almost doubled between 2000 and 2006.

    Morgan Stanley’s chief economist in Asia, Andy Xie (subsequently fired), stated that “Singapore’s success came mostly from being the money laundering centre for corrupt Indonesian businessmen and government officials…”

    • Replies: @Yee
    , @antibeast
    , @Sarah
  47. @Azn/Asia/Asian belongs to GOD

    You’re not a Jew because you have made a stupid comment but if you’re a Christian then I urge you to go back to Odin because the Bible has turned out to be the end of the European race but if you’re a Muslim, which I doubt very much, you just worry about the White man using his faith to bury you, in the desert. Asia is way too big for your puny brain to comprehend, therefore, try not to over tax it.

    • Agree: Jatt Aryaa
  48. Yee says:
    @Ron Unz

    Japan was their traditional enemy, with a very different cultural structure, while the South Koreans were former vassals.

    Japan and South Korea are worse oligarchy than the US, China can’t go that way. Not because of culture reasons, I believe.

    Leftism has changed so much in the last few decades that not even its mother would have recognized it…

  49. @Yee

    I remember that when Hong Kong was still ahead of Singapore in economic terms in the 1960’s/70’s, almost all of us here looked down on the latter– much like how the black-cladded cockroaches here regard Mainland China and the mainland Chinese today!

    In the early 1990’s a colleague at work, who was obviously a HK “demoncrap”, held Mainland China, Singapore (and LKY) in contempt because they lacked “liberal democratic values”– although, in order to show how “backward” China’s system was, he included Singapore (together with HK and Taiwan) as counter-examples!!!

    BTW, he made his living in China Trade– in the company in which I worked AND in the subsequent company he moved to later!

  50. antibeast says:
    @littlereddot

    This is a sentiment I see expressed by many Americans. It is usually used to brush off successes by other countries because deep down inside, Americans loathe admitting that USA is not No.1.

    I think what most Westerners don’t understand about Singapore was the existential crisis it faced after being expelled from Malaysia: its small size, surrounded by Muslim States hostile to its ethnic Chinese immigrant population and the threat of Maoist Communists in Southeast Asia backed by the CCP. With no natural resources including fresh water which had to be piped in from neighboring Malaysia, LKY had to quickly deal with the City-State’s existential crisis in addition to improving its standard of living and maintaining racial harmony in an impoverished colonial backwater infested with opium dens, gangs, coolies, slums, etc.

    What is spectacular about Singapore is not its material wealth measured in GDP per capita or its gleaming skyscrapers but its socio-political achievements based on its founding ideology of a ‘multiracial, multicultural meritocracy’. Singapore faced an existential crisis which LKY thought could be solved only by promoting racial harmony in a 600 sq. km. island without any natural resources. Indeed, its only ‘resource’ was its racially-diverse population who came from China, India, Europe and Malaysia. LKY turned what was once a liability — its multiracial population — into an asset which transformed Singapore into becoming the trading, financial and tech hub of Asia.

    To really understand what LKY achieved in Singapore with its ‘multiracial, multicultural meritocracy‘, all one needs to do is look at all the ethnic strife, sectarian conflict and tribal warfare afflicting much of Asia.

    And THAT is what Singapore is all about.

    • Agree: Arthur MacBride
    • Thanks: littlereddot
    • Replies: @Yee
  51. Goddard says:
    @Joe Paluka

    This would involve giving the blacks their own country carved out of some of the south …

    Fuck that. Wakanda is in Africa, not Mississippi.

  52. anon[199] • Disclaimer says:
    @michael888

    Singapore handled the possibilities corruption of the politicians by giving them exorbitant salaries compared to any other nation.

    A small country size of less than NY City is not a comparison for the rest of the world .

    • Replies: @littlereddot
  53. Yee says:
    @Miro23

    “Singapore’s success came mostly from being the money laundering centre for corrupt Indonesian businessmen and government officials…”

    That doesn’t seem fair… Singapore is pretty strong at petro-chemical industry. Many people don’t know that the tiny country is 1 of the 3 oil-refining centers in the world, the other 2 are Houston and Rotterdam.

    Singapore’s success came mostly from its port.

  54. @anon

    The root question, is how do you attract your best and brightest to work for the good of the country?

    How has the system in your country been working out for you? Are you happy with it?

    In a Western capitalist country, are your most capable people going to sacrifice the hefty renumerations that they could get, to take the noble action of leading the country for the good of all? Or are they going to make a killing on the stock market and spend it on tourist flights in space rockets?

    Or maybe the politicians might pretend to work for the country but later on take payback for doing favours for the oligarchs with million dollar speaking tours?

    Your Plato warned you to consider the most basic principles of how a country’s leaders are selected two millenia ago. Most Westerners have not been listening.

  55. anon[407] • Disclaimer says:

    The author is a moron and his last line para and last line is compete rubbish.

    So some ching-chong Chinaman managed to ape his betters, big deal. Everything Yew did was to copy the success of White people and White Nations.

    His country, like China as a whole was just a rotting cesspit until they, like the Japs, managed to successfully copy us. Well, who denies the Asians are good at copying? No one. It’s just a fact. Hell, every successful society in the world is successful because they ape western ways. Not even the Jews could succeed without aping us.

    As for taking lessons from our imitators – well to paraphrase all those bullshit cryptic eastern fortune-cookie sayings: “Does the master need lessons from his students, even the most successful”?

    We don’t. We never did. And we never will need lessons from vapid semi-humans who’ve mamaged to learn fro us – or just mindlessly ape us.

  56. Yee says:
    @antibeast

    To really understand what LKY achieved in Singapore with its ‘multiracial, multicultural meritocracy‘

    I think that would change in a hurry if Singapore does not allow the US to use its military bases…

    • Replies: @antibeast
  57. @Anonymous

    One way to salvage necessary top shelf genes is to mandate that no woman can work outside the home until she births at least 3 children. From there, responsibilities and requisites follow based on the needs of the children.

    I am sick, bored, and disgusted with this shitty nonsense and palaver about “Human Rights”. Like a parrot, “Squawk, squawk, Human Rights, I want my Human Rights”…even if someone else has to pay for them.

    A society, like a machine, has essential parts that are needed to work. Period. Every mother should tell her daughter, “I didn’t give birth to you so you could selfishly pursue your unique interests, at the expense and depravity of your ancestors, family, and culture.”

    • Agree: Sarah
  58. Dutch Boy says:
    @Thulean Friend

    Liberalism (and its Capitalist economic system) is anti-religion and anti-natalist. James Burnham identified liberalism as the ideology of suicide long ago. Faith and fecundity go hand-in-hand. Lose one and you lose the other.

  59. Escher says:

    Modern Singapore is also built on the backs of cheap labor from the Indian subcontinent.

    Not to mention that despite all the high PISA scores, the country scores pretty low on innovation.
    The country’s wealth is sustained to a significant degree by virtue of it being a no-questions asked recipient of dodgy money hiding from the taxman.

    • Replies: @littlereddot
  60. @michael888

    although cigarettes were not touched (Chinese men smoke).

    Alcohol was heavily taxed, so expensive (most Chinese don’t drink).

    All tobacco is heavily taxed. This is to discourage the habit
    Chinese are not culturally inclined to hang out at the pub after a day at the office. That is what the white foreigners do. (I do dislike the elitist term “expat”)

    They may not hang out at Clarke Quay drinking their “liquid bread” at 6 in the evening, they just feel awkward doing that. It is just not part of their culture. But go to a night club or wedding dinner, or a dinner party with a generous host, and see if the Chinese drink.

    I don’t know what you are insinuating, but the Singapore government takes pains not to show favour to the Chinese community. They know that they would have race riots again it that happens.

    (but all males serve two years of military service, though Singapore since independence has never been attacked.

    It is because of a credible defence, that is why “Singapore has never been attacked”.
    You do not seem to know that at Singapore’s birth, Indonesian marines planted bombs in parts of the island, killing a few people? They were caught and executed despite threats by Indonesia which is hundreds of times larger than Singapore? This act saved Singapore from being swallowed up by Indonesia.

    For decades every time there were bilateral spats with Malaysia, they would threaten to “turn off the water”….thereby consigning Singapore to death by thirst? Why do you think Singapore now goes through so much trouble and expense to recycle its water? If not, then the only option left to Singapore should Malaysia cut off water was immediate war to secure the water supplies.

    Singapore never forgot these lessons, that is why every male still sacrifices two years of his life in full time military plus 10+ years in the reserves. Why do you think they are willing to do this? Because they know that they do not have the luxury of a big land mass, big populations where you could absorb the defeat and start over. In Singapore, any threat is existential. This is why they take things so seriously.

    Why do you think Singapore even exists as a country on its own? Because Malaysia threw Singapore out of the Federation of Malaysia expecting it to collapse and come crawling back and accept whatever terms they had. They were wrong. And Singaporeans have been on perpetual siege mentality ever since.

    There is barbed wire fencing everywhere, and signs implying you will be shot if you enter).

    If you had had a closer look at the signs you would have seen “Protected Place”. These are critical infrastructure like power stations, water pumping stations, military bases etc. In your country, your military bases and critical installations are located away from your major population centres. That is why you do not notice them. Singapore does not have that luxury. I am sure if attempt to enter a military base in your country you will also be confronted with the threat of being shot.

    I do appreciate that you have made many observations about Singapore. What seems lacking, is asking the question “why are they that way?”

    • Agree: showmethereal
    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  61. Exile says:
    @Ron Unz

    Kwan deserves credit for doing what he thought was best for his nation, in its real-world “as is” state when he came to power, without undue concern for ideology. He was a problem-solver willing to use whatever tools would do the job.

    Socialists and Capitalists alike can justly claim he’s “no true Socialist/Capitalist.” Same with Democrats and Fascists.

    There are virtues in ideological consistency but there are also vices – firstly the Procrustean desire to chop off real-world square edges to fit smooth ideological pigeonholes. When in doubt, go by the book and when you fail, blame the ideology, not your own unwillingness to tailor ideology to local/real world conditions.

    No economic or political ideology works in its “unbounded” form and every one of them has its fanatics. Being willing to correct their excesses and shortcomings with government action – but not overcorrect – is a key to good governance and requires an artist’s touch.

    This is difficult even in a small nation but it could work in a “scaled-up” version. A necessary ingredient is talented leadership with a genuine commitment to the public good.

    Kwan seems to have been one such man. I don’t see any of them among the present leaders or aspirants in America or Europe though.

  62. STRYKER says:

    1. The Indians in Singapore would have a different opinion. Riots between Indians & Chinese have broken out. There is no love lost between the two groups in Singapore.

    2. Amusingly, some of the Chinese-Singaporeans who detest the “5 Eyes” accuse the USA of fiddling with the Singaporean Immigration policy to intentionally destabilize Chinese aparthied rule by allowing the importation of Indians & true or not this reflects how little love lost between Indians & Chinese there is in Singapore.

    3. Yew was Oxford-educated & had UK to subsidize Singapore which the UK was doing as late as the seventies (Read Lee Kuan Yew’s book).

    4. Unlike Philippines, Singapore had no entrenched Spanish-Mestizo elite. The British were cold-blooded queers who liked buggery or they brought their wives while the Spanish did the Julio Englesias number.

    5. Yew did jail anyone who criticized him or political opponents. You could call him a benevolent dictator-typically Chinese, really, but Singapore was no democracy (But who says this system works?)

    • Disagree: Arthur MacBride
    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
  63. anon[358] • Disclaimer says:

    On an interview with Charlie Rose, LKY was asked if the US could achieve more success by adopting Singapore’s relatively open immigration policy. Lee chuckled and said, “not if all your immigrants are illiterate fruit pickers.” He was also asked about how America could maintain racial harmony like in Singapore, and his answer: not if you allow the kind of free speech like you do in the US, where anyone can say anything about any race. I guess there is no such thing as free speech in Singapore, at least when it comes to critiquing other races. But Lee was wrong about America, we don’t have such freedom either, except on critiquing the white race.

    Singapore benefited hugely from Malaysia’s brain drain due to its racial discrimination policy that showered affirmative action preferences on the 60% Malay majority over its 22% Chinese minority and to a lesser extent, its 7% Indian minority. Smart Chinese kids in Malaysia clamor to take the Singaporean gifted kids’ exam by age 10. The ones who scored in the top 1 to 2% were then given full scholarship to study in Singapore, along with permanent residency, jobs and stipends for the parents and siblings to move with the kid. LKY emphasized ethnic kinship with the ethnic Chinese in Malaysia and to this day makes it very easy for them to emigrate to Singapore.

    Low birthrate always correlates with urbanization. People living in expensive tiny apartments don’t usually want to have lots of kids. There’s simply no room. It’s why Europe and East Asia have such low birth rates. Nothing the government can do about it. America’s birth rate is higher because of the suburbs. America and Australia may be exceptions because we have lots more room to have bigger homes in the suburbs. In most European and East Asian countries, high population density means even the suburbs have nothing but apartments, just cheaper rent.

    • Replies: @JM
    , @showmethereal
  64. @Dutch Boy

    I believe your statement/declaration is too broad and all encompassing to have real meaning and application.

    • Replies: @Dutch Boy
  65. @anon

    LOL,

    Unfortunately your knowledge of history only extends back 250 years.

    From the year 0 to 1850, China has always been the largest economy in the world. The last 250 years for China has been an anomaly. This has strangely coincided with the rise of the USA, and resulted in your hubris.

    But this is nothing you should worry your little white head about. Ignorance is bliss.

    May you have a blissful life.

  66. @Escher

    Modern Singapore is also built on the backs of cheap labor from the Indian subcontinent.

    Only in the last 15 years.
    Before that it was Mainland Chinese …. before they got too expensive
    Before that it was Thais …. before they got too expensive
    Before that it was Malaysians …. before they got too expensive
    Before that it was Singaporeans … before they got too expensive

    You make it sound like Singapore was exploiting them?
    Or maybe Singapore was blessing them? Every country that Singapore “exploits” develops so much that their workers become too expensive to hire?

    In the case of the Indians/Bangladeshis, maybe Singapore should send them all back to India? Those Indian workers won’t like you very much for your suggestion.

    Tell you what, the next time you are in Singapore, go to one of those workers, and tell them that you want them sent back to India. Please make sure there are no sharp objects nearby before you do so.

    • Replies: @Escher
  67. @littlereddot

    EXPAT question

    “Expat” elitist? What?

    What fresh Gen Y Millennial PC BS garbage is this?

    Not all foreigners are white. Mostly of course, but not all.

    There are no bars because Singapore will not offer prostitutes to attract people to the bars although prostitution is legal.

    Pub culture is a British trait. Chinese drink at home. Malays drink Tapico in a hammock.

    It is Tamil Indians who get anti-social on alcohol & generally drink moonshine.

    At the time that Malaysia & Singapore split the British subsidized/defended Yew who had deep ties to the UK from his Oxford days & fighting the Japanese (Who he hated all his life after being roughed up in WWII).

    • Replies: @littlereddot
  68. antibeast says:
    @Miro23

    Morgan Stanley’s chief economist in Asia, Andy Xie (subsequently fired), stated that “Singapore’s success came mostly from being the money laundering centre for corrupt Indonesian businessmen and government officials…”

    Andy Xie is right most of the time but he is wrong this time because HK not Singapore is the money laundering center of Asia which includes Southeast Asia. There are wealthy Indonesians who park their money in Singapore but the most of their dirty money goes to HK whose economy is almost entirely dependent on its FIRE sector. The real-estate sector in HK is out-of-whack because it follows the market-driven financial capitalist model, unlike Singapore’s State-driven industrial capitalist model.

    Outside of its FIRE sector, Singapore has a well-diversified economy with particular strengths in the petro-chemical, semiconductor, electronics, biotech, oil rigs, shipbuilding, ITO/BPO, defense and aerospace industries.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
    , @Malla
  69. @jeff stryker

    You do not know Singapore, and are promulgating simplistic constructions that are shallow and unsupportable. I have lived and worked in Singapore. Yew had the almost absolute consensus of the people in carrying out executive actions. If you would have lived and conversed among these people than you would know better. There was in effect a single party and a second, socialist, internationalist party funded convertly by China and International Financial Elites. It was led by a slimy Indian lawyer with no accomplishments and no constrictive platform except increasing welfare payments and government assistance during a recessive period.

    Those that were jailed, were charged and convicted in the courts of Singapore. You inference is slander-sloppy and sleazy.

    This post defaces and devalues some of your other posts that have meaning, truth, and veracity.

    I will give you a conditional pass and assume your were drunk or stoned when you wrote this trash.

    • Replies: @littlereddot
  70. @karel

    Please do not go there. Stay away. Wallow in the inferior, more dirty, less integrity, and daily insults to your comportment in the relative shit hole you inhabit.

  71. Rob McX says:
    @Sarah

    Steve Sailer looked into the various birthrates by race in France a few years ago in Takimag. He tried to come up with an estimate based on the number of tests for sickle-cell disease in newborns. Generally speaking, only ethnic groups originating in Africa, the Subcontinent and parts of the Middle East are screened. Chinese and other East Asians are excluded. And only those babies with both parents originating from the affected regions are tested.

    His conclusion:

    After all those preliminaries, here are the unadjusted percentages of newborns targeted for testing in France because both parents come from the Global South:

    2005: 25.6 percent
    2010: 31.5 percent
    2015: 38.9 percent

    And Paris in 2015 was 73.4 percent, up from 54.2 percent just a decade earlier.

    Wow.

    Just wow.

    • Thanks: Sarah
    • Replies: @Sarah
  72. Marcion says:
    @obwandiyag

    It’s amazing how well countries function that simply and catigorically disallow pavement aping species.

    • Agree: ivan
    • Replies: @ivan
  73. @michael888

    Thanks, Michael.
    Unlike you I didn’t live in Spore but visited perhaps 12 or 15 times while based in Asia. An excellent place and tribute to LKY and others who follow his ideas.

    In conversations with local businessmen, ministers/others in the city-centre Anglican church, casual chats on the street (I like street food) etc I was always impressed with (what to call it?) the moral fibre of the people. Some stand out, like the employer of guest workers concerned that many spent their wages on “vice” as he called it, drink and illegal gambling, little/nothing to take back to the village in Thailand or wherever; an elderly Chinese who was present as a boy in the Japanese conquest and occupation, parents with children re school/study, stark warnings on entry abt drug importation …

    One time there was a scandal about a teenage boy who had maliciously damaged the paintwork of a parked car, arrested, youth court; much questioning of him and parents/teachers — how to account for him going so wrong so early in life ?? He was sentenced to be caned b/c his truculence and defiance in Court iirc … hopes he would turn around … I left, lost track of the story but did see something elsewhere abt western “liberals” shrieking about this.

    So just some snapshots to agree with your picture.

    • Agree: Poupon Marx
    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
  74. Mefobills says:
    @Thulean Friend

    It seems like nobody has really solved this puzzle of maintaining a modern economy and having high fertility.

    https://www.unz.com/article/no-country-for-white-children/#comment-5061822

    The national socialists returned women to the home life to then make room for male labor. Homes were built, and women started having babies.

    The Labor Procurement Law provided newlyweds loans of RM 1,000 at one percent monthly interest. The loans came in the form of coupons to buy furniture, household appliances and clothing. To be eligible, the bride had to have been employed for at least six months during the previous two years, and had to agree to leave her job. Returning women to the home vacated positions in commerce and industry, creating openings for unemployed men. For each child born to a couple, the government reduced the loan by 25 percent and deferred payments on the balance for one year. For larger families, upon birth of the fourth child, the state forgave the loan. It financed the program by imposing surtaxes on single men and women. By June 1936, the government approved 750,000 marriage loans.20 Reinhardt described the policy of diverting women into the household economy as “steadily regrouping our German women with regard to the labor market and with respect to social policy. This regrouping alone will … in a few years be sufficient to eliminate unemployment, and bring about an enormous impetus in every branch of German economic life.”

    The marriage law released approximately 20,000 women per month from the work force after September 1933. The increase in newlyweds created a corresponding need for additional housing.
    More tradesmen found work in new home construction. In the furniture industry, manufacture increased by 50 percent during 1933. Factories producing stoves and other kitchen appliances could not keep pace with consumer demand. The state imposed no property tax on young couples purchasing small single family homes. As Reinhardt predicted, reduced payments in jobless benefits and increased revenue through corporate, income and sales taxes largely offset the enormous cost of the program to reduce unemployment and revive the economy. He stated in Bremen on October 16, 1933, “In the first five months of the present fiscal year, expenditures and income of the Reich have balanced out

    AND

    https://choiceclips.whatfinger.com/2021/02/10/nationalist-populist-hungary-experiencing-a-massive-marriage-and-baby-boom/

    Steve Turley is saying there is a baby boom now in Hungary, others are saying no.

    Ultimately it is women who decide. K breeders have a future orientation, and if the future is better without kids, then women will make that choice.

    Liberalism and finance capitalism wants to turn women into little men work units, to then pay perpetual debts.

    The answers are right in front of our face, but it takes looking beyond the current economic “debt money system” paradigm.

    China, which is industrial capitalist and has state banks (a form of Mussolini type fascism, or national socialism), probably has the best chance to adopt NS policies, and dispel myths prevalent in the West.

    China is also in population collapse, as its women have decided to become little men.

    • Thanks: Maowasayali
    • Replies: @anon
  75. Dutch Boy says:
    @Poupon Marx

    It was meant to be broad. Certain individuals without faith retain fecundity but large groups (e.g., nations) do not.

  76. Dutch Boy says:

    Yew makes the typical mistake of IQ worshipers. IQ in and of itself is not necessarily a positive quality.When it is possessed by those hostile to society and eager to undermine and damage it, it is a deplorable quality.

  77. Sarah says:
    @Rob McX

    I know.
    However, the French government has, for the last 10 years or so, limited the sickle cell test to newborns from TWO parents from countries at risk.
    The test is not done if only one parent is from a risk country or if the father is unknown.

    This is absurd since it is sufficient for one parent to come from a country at risk, since this serious disease is hereditary.

    The government restricted the test when it realized that the results could be used to determine the percentage of newborns of African or Middle Eastern origin.

  78. @Anonymous

    Certainly from a demographic point of view, you’re right, Singapore is a crowded and expensive city state that is doomed to be a population sink.

    In larger countries with falling birth rates, there needs to be a greater focus on developing and restoring the provinces, since that’s where people want to have kids. Less crowded colonial countries like Canada and Australia have a advantage in this regard, but even these countries have a problem with worsening housing affordability.

  79. Ko says:

    Lee Kwan Yew once described his diplomacy with the Burmese Generals, while trying to get them to relinquish their death grip over Burma as, “Trying to talk to the dead.” (Burma is now called Myanmar but many use both names.)

    Burma is currently in a state of civil war with the Peoples Defense Force and the National Unity Government boldly engaging the Burmese Military. They’re winning numerous skirmishes and the’ve won at least two major battles. The Military Junta is committing horrifying offenses on par with the Khmer Rouge of Cambodia. Lately they taken to rounding up scores of people and burning them alive. The Military junta’s enemy have been unarmed civilians, they are at war again impoverished unarmed civilians – their own people, all races, of all ethnicity, and especially against Christians.

    The National Unity Government’s Secretary of Foreign Affairs, Zin Mar Aung, who will step in for National League for Democracy leader Aung San Suu Kyi at some point, once laughed at another of Lee’s observations. Lee said, paraphrasing, Asia and Asians are not suitable for Liberal Democracy. While that remains to be seen but so far accurate.

    You can see more on Twitter #whatshappeninginMyanmar

    You can watch Zin Mar Aung laugh at Kew’s comment about Asia and Democracy here: https://vimeo.com/user12691209

  80. anon[358] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mefobills

    China is also in population collapse, as its women have decided to become little men.

    I think it’s madness to say a country of 1.4 BILLION people could be in “population collapse”. Only out of touch western economist sitting in their ivory towers doing nothing but crunching numbers could make such a ridiculous statement.

    China and the world will be better off if China’s population shrinks to 300m. The average Chinese cannot get to the average American’s standard of living until that happens. The country is simply way too crowded and over competitive as it is. It’s inhumane to expect them to continue on with such a huge population.

    All of Asia are overcrowded and need to shrink through much lower birth rates. Below 1.0 should be the ideal for them, especially for Indonesia, Philippines, India, Pakistan and Bangladesh since the lower average IQ ensures it’ll take them far longer to reach rich world status.

    • Replies: @Mefobills
  81. sher singh says:
    @Azn/Asia/Asian belongs to GOD

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

  82. @Dutch Boy

    I still believe you over generalize. Where to put Buddhism in your Aristotelian categories? You might have more precisely said that “….are largely” or ….”in the main”. As you statement stands, it is absolutionist and therefore inaccurate.

  83. @Arthur MacBride

    That was a spoiled rotten American kid. The whole world begged Singapore authorities not to cane him, but they resisted. He had taken a car key and scraped the side of a Mercedes. These are VERY expensive in Singapore.

    His father was an asshole American businessman who sent his son back to the States, said negative trash about Singapore. His son was arrested for drug dealing a short time after.

    I always thought he should have been given more, until he passed out.

    • Replies: @Arthur MacBride
    , @ivan
  84. anon[358] • Disclaimer says:

    The only way for rich countries to increase native birth rate is to greatly reduce immigration.

    High immigration always leads to lower native birth rates. There is simply too much competition – for jobs, education, housing, land. Overly congested cities lead to high housing cost and ever smaller housing units. More and more suburbs in our coastal cities are now highly congested with apartments and townhouses as opposed to single family homes.

    Since natives are accustomed to a certain standard of living, they will not live like immigrants by squeezing a family of 4 or 5 into a tiny one or two bedroom apartment. Children need space to run, and to play outdoors. It’s inhumane to make them grow up in tiny apartments in the middle of big cities. Most people I know who grew up in apartments or big cities are flaky, unreliable, narcissistic, selfish and overly ambitious. If you want to meet someone normal or nice, look for those who grew up in small towns in places like the Midwest or the South.

    Unfortunately all rich countries are stuck in the perpetual growth trap and are duped by “economists” into thinking:
    a) if you don’t grow, you’ll shrink and die, and
    b) the only way to grow is through mass immigration.

    Until we stop listening to these (((snake oil salesmen))), the West will continue to go through population replacement until we all turn into shithole countries resembling where our new immigrants came from.

    • Agree: Sarah, nokangaroos
  85. I wonder if Lee Kwan Yew is related with ‘Sum Ting Wong,’ ‘Wi Tu Lo,’ ‘Ho Lee Fuk,’ or ‘Bang Ding Ow’. I’ve heard that Yew name somewhere before.

  86. Escher says:
    @Priss Factor

    Not to mention so many Singaporean Chinese women choose to marry outside their race, mostly to white men.

  87. Escher says:
    @littlereddot

    You make it sound like Singapore was exploiting them?
    Or maybe Singapore was blessing them? Every country that Singapore “exploits” develops so much that their workers become too expensive to hire?

    In the case of the Indians/Bangladeshis, maybe Singapore should send them all back to India? Those Indian workers won’t like you very much for your suggestion.

    Tell you what, the next time you are in Singapore, go to one of those workers, and tell them that you want them sent back to India. Please make sure there are no sharp objects nearby before you do so.

    Touché.

    It was not my intention to say that Singapore is exploring these workers. They are earning much more in Singapore than back home, and are definitely treated far better there than in the Middle East.
    Just that the people keeping the city state running at the ground level: tarring the roads, building the HDBs and condos, mowing the lawns and taking out the trash are all non-Singaporean.

  88. anonymous[260] • Disclaimer says:

    Singapore has 2.16 million immigrants out of a country of 5.7 million, or roughly 40% of their population. Dubai is 85% immigrant and only 15% native.

    Yet neither Singapore nor Dubai seem to have any trouble absorbing their immigrants. Both seem like peaceful, safe, modern and prosperous places to live.

    In comparison, the US, UK, France and Germany all have roughly 14% immigrants, while Australia and NZ are higher at ~30%. And all these countries are having trouble with their immigrants, with native whites expressing increasing resentment towards the newcomers who are mostly nonwhite.

    Perhaps immigration is something that should only be done in nonwhite countries. Everyone except whites don’t seem to have trouble mixing, even with a small number of blacks.

    Perhaps White culture is just unique and does not blend well with nonwhites. It’s time we accept that. Let everyone mix and mingle, but white countries should be for whites only. Jews should be “encouraged” to relocate to Mideast or Asia since they are not really white and prefer this type of mixed environment, so they don’t destroy white countries with their multicultural zeal.

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
  89. @Poupon Marx

    Thanks for the information, PM.
    Now that you mention it, I do remember some kind of American connection.
    Glad to hear Singapore carried out the caning.

    “Liberals” are a recognisable disease, virulent and life-threatening.
    Nothing good will come to that American businessman, or his degenerate son.

  90. Antiochus says:

    The Lee Kwan Yew model should be the blueprint for post-revolutionary Amerika once the Anglo-Zionist empire has been broken up and replaced by multiple sovereign republics… and assuming the revolution has successfully eliminated all Semites with any residual trace of Semitism, homosexuals, trannies, Democrats, socialists, oligarchs, and other “liberal” cranks.

    Singapore is the target model for China and they are have already surpassed it in several ways. The only hope for the US Empire vis a vis itself (never mind China) is to break itself up into multiple republics and follow Singapore’s lead. Democracy cannot cure itself. We cannot get there by voting especially with our citizen’s IQ ranked near the bottom of all advanced countries and the Jews in charge of the media. There is simply no way to get there without a second revolution.

  91. @Anonymous

    In my lifetime (I am 70 years old), I have witnessed the TRASHING of the United States by the “rich” – the wealthy people who pay little or no taxes and the major U.S. corporations and U.S.-based corporations, who also pay little or no taxes…both groups which are heavily subsidized by the U.S. government (the taxpayers).

    They have offshored most decent-paying jobs and the benefits that formerly went with them. The United States went from a country that used to manufacture products that American consumers wanted and were able to afford, because they were being paid decent wages. This has taken place during my lifetime. The United States now specializes in armaments, illegal drugs and the so-called “Financial Industry,” which is first and foremost about SCREWING PEOPLE OUT OF MONEY.
    Meanwhile, the infrastructure in our country CRUMBLES.

    The rich bastards want it ALL and they are fervently working on getting it all. There is more than enough money for everyone. The problem is that the wealthy want it all for themselves. The “rich” specialize in dreaming up new ways of stealing money from the average American citizen. First, it was the “1973 oil shock” and then the Savings & Loan melt-down and then the 2007-2008 stock market collapse and NOW the “Covid-19” scam.

  92. Perhaps White culture is just unique and does not blend well with nonwhites. It’s time we accept that.

    There is some truth to this. Most nonwhites including Jews are just too dishonest, ill-mannered, uncivilized, lacking in cleanliness and self-restraint to successfully assimilate with whites. They blend well with one another because they understand one another — they are all equally rude and know that most people are dishonest, so they know how to prevent themselves from being taken advantage of. But when these people immigrate to white societies, old habits die hard and they often end up taking advantage of whites’ honesty and destroy our high trust societies. It’s why most nonwhites – Jews, blacks, Latinos, and now Indians and other Asians find themselves unwelcome in white societies. But led by Jews, their dishonesty preclude them from any kind of introspection so they put all the blame on whites for being racist.

    • Agree: bombthe3gorgesdam
    • Replies: @sher singh
  93. @Dutch Boy

    I disagree with your comment solely to the extent of not attributing to liberalism the parenthood of capitalism. That is to say, while I quite agree that liberalism makes capitalism and everything else it impacts “anti-religion and anti-natalist”—it could hardly do otherwise, since liberalism, in its origins, means, and ends, is openly hostile to God and all who believe in Him—capitalism sensu stricto was not always thus nor need it be again.

    Sadly, in the world in which we live, successfully peeling capitalism away from liberalism is about as likely to come to pass as successfully peeling Jews away from money and power. This being the case, I’d have to say that, realistically speaking, I don’t disagree with you at all.

    It is unfortunate that Guillaume Durocher fails to understand this fundamental connection between faith—above all, Christianity—and fecundity. If he did, the factorable quotient of genuine insight present in his articles would at least double. Until he does, I suspect he will never be as memorable a writer as, say, Leo Durocher was a manager.

  94. The exceptional number of Nobel Prize winners who are Jews is no accident. It is also no accident that a high percentage, sometimes 50 percent, of faculty members in the top American universities on both the east and west coasts are Jews.

    As LKY thought so highly of Jews, we will gladly let Singapore have all the Jews in America, esp. those who are in media and academia, but what the heck take them all – all those in law, Big Pharma, Big Tech, Wall Street, SV, DC, Hollywood.

    Please, take them all.

    • Replies: @Exile
  95. Sarah says:
    @Miro23

     and are exhausted by the rat race.

    What do you mean by that?

    • Replies: @Miro23
  96. sher singh says:
    @White Exceptionalism

    Whites believe in universal assimilation (equality) and are arrogant & preachy about it.
    White tribes were assimilated into this borg, it’s in the interest of all that it’s destroyed.

    https://hbdchick.wordpress.com/2011/04/04/whatever-happened-to-european-tribes/
    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/147470491501300114

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    • Replies: @bombthe3gorgesdam
  97. ivan says:
    @Poupon Marx

    You should receive one of these canings, let me know if want another one after that, I know people who can deliver it. He was just a snooty kid like many others of his age. In fact his other friends from HK received more. It was of a piece to show that Singapore does not kowtow to others – IIRC a plea for clemency for a Filipino maid, charged with murder was turned down sometime before this. The act under which those kids were caned, was originally applied to the Communists who would deface the ruling party’s slogans. It was a simple act of vandalism that the youths engage in. Any other kind of punishment, cleaning latrines, community works etc., would have sufficed. In fact the President of the day, Ong Teng Cheong was inclined to clemency. And there have been numerous acts of vandalism since, but in not one of the cases did the prosecution think of applying that “vandalism” Act again.

    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
  98. @sher singh

    nonwhites/antiwhites are really feeling their power these days, constantly going on the internet to tell whites that they are going to genocide them for the good of the planet or for payback or whatever. it’s a globalized rwanada situation, and every nonwhite on the planet is hearing from their nonwhite leaders and can’t help themselves but repeat the antiwhite mantras. well, sorry to be the bearer of bad news, nonwhite, but whites have something to say about your plans to exterminate us: we have the power and the will to take all of you with us, and we will do that before we go. I hope we do it tomorrow, and you are made to watch helplessly your entire cultural/racial existence burned away in nuclear fire before your astonished eyes. who wants to live on this overplastinated shit-heap of a planet, anyway? you should beg whites to put you out of your misery.

    • Replies: @sher singh
  99. ivan says:
    @Marcion

    I have to correct myself in agreeing with you. In Singapore, bad behaviour gets you into trouble immediately with the law. Punishment is certain, therefore no one has an incentive to play at the edges. The same could be applied in any country including the USA and you will see an almost miraculous reduction in crime. Otherwise the government could not care less if you were from Nigeria or Switzerland.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  100. @Poupon Marx

    This is such a bullshit opinion my head hurts. The reason women dont want to be baby birthers is because they get stuck down and dependent on another person who more often than not is bound to be condescending and arrogant. Besides what culture and ancestors lmao? Who gives a fuck after I’m gone? Culture is ever changing, tradition by its very nature changes. As for the machinery that is capitalistic society…well that’s why we have immigrants and cheap labor. You must be poor. Have you ever seen a Ferrari? Lived in Monte Carlo? Try materialism and hedonism instead of going to your 9 to 5 just so you can afford to buy your cow(wife) some so called “comfort” , no wonder she will run off eventually.

    Patriotism is a mental disorder. Worse than pedophilia. Only people who achieve nothing on their own cling to a fucking flag and sing that cringy national anthem bullshit. Now that automation is here the world doesnt even need the blue collar clowns who should be phased out…if they are obedient. Otherwise a mass cull/extermination is the only solution for such backward mindset.

    The future is corporatism. Corporations will run the world. This is a victory for capitalism and for social darwinism.

  101. @true.enough

    Lee grew up in England (I think) and was educated at Cambridge. He was known as Johnny Lee. He became a lawyer in England. Winston Churchill called him “the best d*mned Englishman east of Suez.”

    This article is very skewed or propagandized for not mentioning at all Yew’s background.

    • Replies: @Yee
    , @Miro23
  102. @Sarah

    Yes I am aware… And that is why France’s government and elites do want immigration… Same as in the US. Rich countries have less children… It’s almost universal.

  103. Yee says:
    @Johnny johnny

    Lee grew up in England (I think) and was educated at Cambridge.

    All leaders of former British colonies were educated in England, why was that so important to Singapore’s success that not mentioning it makes an article propagandized?

    • Replies: @Johnny Johnny
    , @Malla
  104. Void says:
    @Anonymous

    Your missing the point technological development increases output and need for human capital. Less people may equal less innovations assuming the population arent inventors by nature. Whiteys aren’t as intelligent on average but Finland and Sweden are the countries having produced most so called geniuses. But the intelligence among males in those countries are uneven except for females being more even but lacking both idiots and genius. That’s how the IQ distribution look like.

  105. Void says:
    @RJ Macready

    I don’t know if I like it. But your analysis is spot on.

    • Thanks: RJ Macready
  106. sher singh says:
    @bombthe3gorgesdam

    Ok, you do that. How is destroying liberalism which promotes race-mixing & immigration ie christian
    and restoring European pagan culture + patriarchy destroying whites though??

    You’re right in that I don’t truly consider Christians to be European, but that’s beside the point||

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

  107. sher singh says:
    @RJ Macready

    How does your (corporate) farm laws feel??
    You’re a degen brahmin & failed screen-writer.

    Dharma will rule.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    • Replies: @RJ Macready
  108. Exile says:
    @White Exceptionalism

    Kwan didn’t get everything right.

    Asians in general seem to have a huge cultural blind spot that Jews operate comfortably within – fetishizing “success” in the solely economic sense is a big part of it.

    They fail to see how Jews cause poverty in host nations and how “spiritual Jewishness”/emulation of Jewish values sets your people against themselves to the benefit of Jews.

    For nations that are otherwise openly and unabashedly racist/ethnocentric, Asian ethnic solidarity seems very easy to break if you offer strivers a prospect of getting a seat on the lifeboat to success and leaving their “lower class” brethren behind.

  109. Miro23 says:
    @Sarah

    …and are exhausted by the rat race.

    What do you mean by that?

    The same dynamic as in South Korea:

    Society of extreme competition

    Korea, like and even more than the other Far East countries, has a society with much competition and demands on individuals (from an early age at school and later in the workplace). Long working hours, constant social pressure for excellence generate stress and fear of failure among people, especially young people. (Korea has one of the highest suicide rates in the world). As a result, many Koreans choose not to have children and sometimes even to remain single. And most married couples wish to have only one child to devote more means and energy to the educational and professional success of that one child.

    Female labor force

    As the economy has developed, more South Korean women entered university, resulting in a growth in the female workforce. More women have postponed marriage and pursued improvement of their standard of living rather than having children. From 1985 to 2007, the average age at which a South Korean woman first married increased from 24.1 years to 28.1 years. Moreover, the female college enrollment rate also increased from 31.3% in 1990 to 83.8% in 2008. As the percent of women working outside the home increased from 42.8% in 1980 to 50.2% in 2005, the birth rate also decreased from 6.0 children per woman in 1960 to 1.13 per woman in 2006.

    Wikipedia “Low Birthrate in South Korea”

    Also, (small) living space is extremely expensive.

    • Thanks: Sarah
  110. @anon

    His country, like China … managed to successfully copy us. Well, who denies the Asians are good at copying? No one

    You are not the first to realise that:

    ý@ýýýýHin reply to sikko6

    sikko6in reply to ashbirdSep 19th, 06:13

    Chinese are very good at copying. China will copy what America did.

    And then America will say, “Do as I say, NOT as I do!” but China won’t listen because the Chinese, unlike some other non-whites, have a habit of not knowing their place in front of the whites. The whites and honourary whites then proceed to hate the Chinese for not knowing their place….

    Tom Clancy should start writing future history along that line. 😀

    Devil’s

  111. @sher singh

    Lmao you moron I am on your side. You want that Khalistan so badly dont ya sardaar? Bhai mai tere team mai hu. Samjha?? And fuck Dharma

    • Disagree: sher singh
  112. Singapore is an example of an extant oligarchic city-state. The same type that fed hemlock to Socrates. The ‘ex’-British colony of Singapore extends its extra-territorial powers over citizens and permanent residents globally. In contrast to relatively relaxed European and North American/Canadian legislation for soft drug use, Singapore’s Section 31 permits enforced urinalysis and Section 8A “prohibits any citizen or permanent resident of Singapore to use any prohibited drug outside of the country, and if found guilty to be punished as if they committed that act within the country.” (See https://www.sg-visit.com/controlled-of-drug/ ).

    I avoid the palce like the plague. If I must transit then it is the absolute minimum (time & money spent) in the airport then out asap. I just smile as the machine-gun toting guards walk by.

    In respect to sovereign and disciplinary power, 23 prisoners have been executed in Singapore since 2010 for drug offences under Section 17 of the Misuse of Drugs Act (2008) – only five have been executed for other offences. This policy effectively extends a non-rule-of-law based “discipline and punish” governance model (Foucault) to the whole planet. Singapore’s People’s Action Party (PAP) were elected to power in 1959 with 43 out of the 51 seats in the Assembly. Lee Kuan Yew became the first Prime Minister and the PAP has remained in power without discontinuity since then with never less than 95% of the parliamentary seats. Only North Korea has a better oligarch record. In 2007, Canadian lawyers concluded that a “number of factors amply demonstrate that Singapore is not governed by the rule of law” (Bryan et al. 2007).

    Bryan, K., G. Davidson, and M. Stanier. 2007. “Rule of Law in Singapore: Independence of the Judiciary and the Legal Profession in Singapore,” Lawyers Rights Watch Canada, Vancouver BC Canada. http://www.singaporedemocrat.org/LRWC.Rule.of.Law.in.Singapore.17.Oct.07.pdf

    • Replies: @Yee
    , @Poupon Marx
  113. Miro23 says:
    @Johnny johnny

    Lee grew up in England (I think) and was educated at Cambridge. He was known as Johnny Lee. He became a lawyer in England. Winston Churchill called him “the best d*mned Englishman east of Suez.”

    A bit pedantic, but is was British Foreign Secretary (1966 – 1968) George Brown, who called him “The best bloody Englishman East of the Suez”.

    It’s not at all fashionable to say it now, but the quality and high ethical standard of British Imperial administrators was well known (for example in India) and it influenced LKY.

    • Replies: @Johnny Johnny
  114. @anonymous

    Perhaps White culture is just unique and does not blend well with nonwhites. It’s time we accept that. Let everyone mix and mingle, but white countries should be for whites only.

    Let ALL the whites go BACK to the continent of Europe, where they really belong. That would be acceptable to everyone else!

    • Agree: littlereddot
  115. @Priss Factor

    A very perceptive and accurate comment, especially this part:

    Only mainland China has been relatively impervious to this because its regime is independent of the West. All other East Asians from Japan to Singapore are total dogs of the West. Vietnam is somewhat in the middle.

    You left out Hong Kong and Taiwan which is currently the bitch in heat and about to get screwed by the American Zionists.

  116. @jeff stryker

    “Expat” denotes a somewhat higher social standing than and “immigrant”.

    Whites Americans in foreign countries call themselves “expats”.
    They call foreigners in the USA “immigrants”.

    Do your countrymen call the Indian IT workers in the USA “expats” or “immigrants”?
    Browse the pages on UNZ and see how many times foreigners in the US are referred to as “expats”….LOL

    Therefore yes, … Elitist

    At the time that Malaysia & Singapore split the British subsidized/defended Yew who had deep ties to the UK from his Oxford days & fighting the Japanese (Who he hated all his life after being roughed up in WWII). .

    Goodness, how can anyone take what you say seriously when you can’t even tell what his surname is?

    There are no bars because Singapore will not offer prostitutes to attract people to the bars although prostitution is legal

    .
    You have obviously not gone beyond the surface. There are lots of entertainment places where one can get action of the commercial kind. Only they will not officially call them prostitutes. What do you think seedy Karaoke joints in Singapore are? You see, I have given you a pointer. Next time you know how to entertain yourself in Singapore.

    Please stop trying to cast yourself as some kind of expert in SE Asian affairs. So you slept with a few ladies of the night here, you even took on jobs when you could not cut it living stateside.

    You may fool some or even most of the Western readers here with some terms they are unfamiliar with into thinking you have some knowledge of SE Asia, but to SE Asians, they know you are spouting BS.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  117. @Poupon Marx

    You are exactly right.

    This guy has an axe to grind with anything Chinese.

    He constantly spouts terms that Westerners are generally unfamiliar with in order to appear knowledgeable about the subjects. But any one living here knows he is spewing BS.

    With a mind and attitudes like that, I am not surprised he could not cut it stateside and lived as an “expat” amongst the Filipinas, whom he likes very much since they fawn on his wallet. Note that they do not fawn on him, just his wallet.

    And having be seduced by the charms of the Filipinas, he thinks of himself as a defender of the “Austronesians” against the predatory Chinese (He calls them Hokkien) in the Philippines who all go back to China for the Chinese New Year. I don’t make these things up. You should read his other posts.

    But I have to admit I am quite intrigued by the saviour fantasies he displays when he “defends the Austronesians against the evil Chinese”. It appears to be typical of the American mindset.
    Just watch their movies and you will see it ad nauseum……

    Tyrant in third world country oppresses his people.
    A hero American goes to said country and is appalled by the suffering.
    American hero inspires ideas of freedom and democracy in the meek and/or stupid populace.
    Oppressed peoples rise up and overthrow their tyrant.
    American hero is loved by the grateful populace.

    This same sequence repeats in every conceivable variation. In period pieces, in science fiction, in fantasy stories. This is one of the reasons I very rarely watch anything coming out of hollywood.

    • Thanks: showmethereal
    • Replies: @jeff stryker
    , @Poupon Marx
  118. @Deep Thought

    we want to go back to tocharia and be with our ancient decapitated blond mummies. it’s our ancestral homeland, we have a right to it, and we’re going to take it back from you just like the jew took back palestine from the arab. han yellow invasive species OUT of white tocharia NOW!

  119. @RJ Macready

    You wont believe where I am atm. I am in Monte Carlo since the past 2 weeks, and man, my worldview has changed. All around me are 60 plus men cavorting with 25 year old chicks. Every second car is a Ferrari. And a BMW is a poor car here!! Like man, I’ve lived in LA and Toronto. You see one Ferrari and everyone takes their phone out. It’s a huge thing. Here….nothing. No reaction. Hell I would never have believed this 3 weeks ago but I’m sick of seeing ferraris and Lamborghinis everywhere.

    This is it man. I’ve interviewed a few of these tycoons. They own EVERYTHING. The rich, wealthy and powerful dictate how society moves. It has always been the case be it ancient Egypt or modern America. Nothing else matters. All these middle class clowns in America and India, who after achieving nothing in life but a 9-5 existence with a retirement fund have to put their mind somewhere, and they cling to their flags and their faith.

    The rich have wealth and connections and this network is ever growing. If there is one common reaction to all men in modern society it’s that once you see money you will want to belong and grow your wealth. Theres no going backwards. And the only way to grow your wealth is networking. It’s like a chain. And these chains grow in places like this.

    Now I have to get a Monaco citizenship.
    But there is no nationality no flag(except the one of the principality), nothing to adhere to, only wealth. It’s a good life.

  120. JM says:
    @anon

    Singapore benefited hugely from Malaysia’s brain drain due to its racial discrimination policy that showered affirmative action preferences on the 60% Malay majority over its 22% Chinese minority and to a lesser extent, its 7% Indian minority. Smart Chinese kids in Malaysia clamor to take the Singaporean gifted kids’ exam by age 10.

    Just as well the Malays implemented this policy because before they did, a huge disproportion of the places in the good schools were taken by Chinese. This has a downside, but, after all Malaya is what it says: essentially and historically, Malay. Thus affirmative action there is the opposite in character to that in the USA.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  121. @anon

    The US has low birth rates for native born. It is only US immigrants have have children really. Hispanics in the US after the 1st generation born in the US – their fertility rates drop. White Americans are below replacement… So no – suburbs don’t really change it.

  122. @Dragon Shield

    Mcrundy is a traitor to his country & civilization and Chinese Communist agent to undermine our country for enemy country. He will be hunted down when we have Hindu Rastra and expelled to his Chinese masters. There is one more traitor here called Mulla or Malla or Bulla, he always write against our Hindutva movement. He will be hunted down too and sent to Porkistan or Sudan.

    • Agree: sher singh
    • Troll: Malla
    • Replies: @RJ Macready
  123. @bombthe3gorgesdam

    You are bull-craping. That is no “homeland” of the dark Hindians!!!

  124. @Miro23

    Thank you, not pedantic at all, glad to be corrected. I was too hasty in my comment.

    Yes, there was a quality and ethical or moral standard. I used to admire the qualities of the British Empire, but not sure I do anymore, but then it’s easy to critique in hindsight.

  125. @RJ Macready

    All around me are 60 plus men cavorting with 25 year old chicks. Every second car is a Ferrari. And a BMW is a poor car here!!

    “Ferrari”??!! Hahaha…

    Ever heard of Lamborghini??!! Watch from about 1.50

  126. @Yee

    Right, propagandized might not be the best word. But tilted, skewed, slanted, maybe purposefully lacking – or maybe it’s just too focused or short of an article to include everything. It’s just my opinion I suppose, but I think one’s background makes for an important part of any story…like Paul Harvey’s The Rest of the Story…and would help the reader understand things better.

    • Replies: @Yee
  127. @JM

    The Chinese-Malay conflict in Malaysia is in essence a conflict between an IQ 105 racial group and an IQ 89 racial group. It is the same in the rest of South East Asia. “Affirmative action” is the weapon for the inferior group, while “quota” is the weapon against the superior group.

    • Replies: @JM
    , @JM
  128. @antibeast

    Very true… Many forget that Hong Kong aside from being a trade port was a manufacturing power as well – when all the Shanghai industrialists moved their after the Japanese invasion.
    Singapore had to diversify… In fact that’s one thing Lee told Hong Kong leaders. He said their life was easier because Hong Kong had/has far more flexibility bonce it had gone back to China. Hong Kong manufacturers simply could move their businesses across the border and pursue whatever they wanted. Not to mention not having to pay for a military and getting subsidized resources. Hong Kong is spoiled compared to Singapore… Which when you think about it – shows the difference in their behavior.

    • LOL: Che Guava
  129. @RJ Macready

    “I’ve interviewed a few of these tycoons.”

    That’s a thick one but then comes the topper…

    “Now I have to get a Monaco citizenship.”

    I know Albert of Monaco and he would not permit a pompous ass to reside in Monaco.

    • Replies: @Truth
  130. @ivan

    Correct… You traffic in drugs in Singapore – you get the death penalty. Some years ago an elderly Colombian was set to be executed and the western “do-gooders” pleaded for him. Nope!!

  131. Mefobills says:
    @anon

    China and the world will be better off if China’s population shrinks to 300m. The average Chinese cannot get to the average American’s standard of living until that happens.

    I can’t disagree with that. But, if you were a social planner, you would want the population to fall off gradually, not rapidly.

    So, it is not madness.

    Just run the numbers. Populations can increase with doubling, and they can decrease at the same rate.

    Replacement rate is 2.1. China is 1.3

    1.3 is too big a swing in the negative direction and will cause problems later.

    http://udumbara.net/chinas-shrinking-population-is-a-big-economic-issue

  132. Che Guava says:

    There is much truth in this article. but I was living there with my parents as a precocious child.

    One of the greatest political suprises in my life was the re-election of Mahathir as P.M. of Malaysia. He was a political enemy of Lee, so I would guess that re-election as P.M. of Malaysia, after the death of Lee, gave him some mixed feelings.

    Just a few anecdotal points.

    Lee’s party, the People’s Action Party, had been a member of the Socialist International. They were kicked out at some time I am too young to recall.

    The PAP’s logo was an exact copy of Mosley’s British Union of Fascists logo.

    Education in the newly (well, years before) separated from Malaysia Singapore was in about twelve languages, five from China, five from India, Malay, and English.

    Everybody had to speak at least some Cantonese, Malay, and English.

    Ethnic Chinese who wanted their children educated in Mandarin, at the time had to send them to school on Sundays.

    Great education, great place for a child growing up, but as an adult, probably not.

  133. @littlereddot

    RED DOT

    I left the USA to get away from Mestizo Cholos & Ghetto scum.

    You’ve got it backwards, actually, as any US citizen can “cut it” in the USA.

    I could hold better jobs in the USA, there is no doubt of that, but I do not respect many USA laws & or its culture & will not listen to some stupid 23 y/o female complain “of workplace toxicity” when I can own a girly bar in Philippines & nobody gives a shite.

    The worst incident for me came in college when my roommate & I in the dorms joked about some gay thinking I had a “Mangina”. The RA overheard & sent us to the Affirmative Action-appointed ghetto thug. He was 26 & still in college & strutting around like Idi Amin & all he needed was a gaudy chest of medals as he lectured us on “Mangina” jokes.

    “I am very concerned!” he shouted. Though prior to leaving the ghetto he probably beat up gays.

    If you paid me 5 x what I make I would not return to that.

    As for Hokkien, I made one mention of a Sinitic language & you are offended.

    What is the nature of your offense?

    I don’t grasp it.

    • Replies: @littlereddot
  134. Malla says:
    @bombthe3gorgesdam

    Some of those Tocharians came and settled in India in ancient times and mixed into our melting pot of India. Our Sanskrit text calls them Tusharas, however the Tocharian language belonged to a different family of Aryan languages than our Sanskrit and Persian.

    • Thanks: bombthe3gorgesdam
  135. @ivan

    I care not for Western cheap emotion and pussy face commenters like you, and your more than likely academic fantasy world of virtual reality. What you overlook is that these punitive measures seem to work. There is NO, repeat NO illegal drug sue in Singapore, not in schools or street corners. Petty criminal-any criminal-recidivism rate is so low, that it is off the scales compared to Amurka United Socialist States.

    People like you need to know what it is to work for a living and struggle for existence.

    Weakness invites aggression, and repeat transgressions. Puffter.

    • Replies: @ivan
  136. @littlereddot

    Thank you for that clear sighted and grounded comment. People need to recognize that America is responsible directly for many of the problems the world has. American has had hegemony and immense control of world events since the beginning of the 20th century. Like a big stupid dumbo mesomorph, it has managed to fuck things up, while doing a bang up job on itself.

    Singapore’s society is the future, as far as I am concerned. Live with no fear, lying is rare, and honor and integrity are high.

    • Replies: @littlereddot
  137. Yee says:
    @Johnny Johnny

    tilted, skewed, slanted, maybe purposefully lacking

    I don’t think it matters… With a few exceptions, all 3rd world “elite” were educated in the West. Kim of North Korea was educated in Switzerland. They haven’t built their country like Singapore.

    • Agree: showmethereal
  138. @RJ Macready

    You need professional help and intervention before you destroy yourself. Your cerebral wires and crossed and the short circuits are causing yammer and stammer gibberish. Your personal and unconscious are swirling in some sewer main on the way to the sanitary plant to be broken down into inert and elemental substances.

    You need to put your trivial life on hold and tap into C G Jung post haste. Consider this a gift.

  139. Yee says:
    @silicon silence

    23 prisoners have been executed in Singapore since 2010 for drug offences under Section 17 of the Misuse of Drugs Act (2008) – only five have been executed for other offences.

    That’s Opium War PTSD…

  140. Truth says:
    @Dragon Shield

    I’ve been to Monaco, and up and down the coast of France. I found it very nice, but I don’t think your average Gen-xer with money would be that impressed. I can see why it was all the rage when Cary Grant was making movies, but now, it is small and somewhat insignificant. We have Dubai now and there is no contest in bling.

    • Replies: @Dragon Shield
  141. Malla says:
    @Yee

    All leaders of former British colonies were educated in England,

    Very interesting point you bring up there. Most of those rich elites of the colonies went to the European metropoles and got brainwashed with socialism, anti-colonialism crackpottery and Marxism. Then they came back to rile up the placid masses against the same Empires, and later after Independence unleashed stupid post-colonial socialist crackpottery to torpedo their own country to shithole. That is a big story of decolonisation. Same story for British, French, Dutch, Belgian etc…Empires. Examples among many are Nehru, Kwame, Nyerere. Nehru and the Indian revolutionary leaders got influenced by a Marxist Jewish crackpot named Lansky (pro Soviet, hated Hitler) in Britain when they were getting educated there. Independent India was a Lanskian Socialist economy with low Hindu rate of growth until bankruptcy in 1990s. But at least Nehru was not a thaggard, other nations were not that lucky. So decolonisation and some form of Marxism was indoctrinated into these Westernised the metropoles of the European empires themselves!!!!! Wow!!


    Empire of the Mind: Episode 10: Victims of Anti-Colonialism

    Video about Suriname and the brutal thaggard Surinamese dictator Dési Bouterse and the Dutch Empire.
    Check out the old black Surinamese grandma woman Lisette Munslag say at 7:14 minutes in the above video: “I think there was still the people who went to the Netherlands. They got educated over there. Agitators. Social agitators all educated in the Netherlands and they brought back the dynamic of like okay..we need to become independent. They got..they got educated in the Netherlands by the anti-colonial mindset right…they get educated they get indoctrinated with EXACTLY (her stress) the things that were not good for the developing countries. They brought all um..Can I use the word….all the garbage. …All the garbage that was not uh uh beneficial or productive for people in the colonies. They brought all those things back, social destabilising environment, political upheavel…so I was 13…”continued.

    Earlier at 5:34 minutes in the above video Dr. Gilley says: “But Suriname’s radicals educated in European cafes made common cause with the radicals of the ruling labour party”
    Same story in nearly all colonies, western educated elites educated in Western European Universities came back radicalised.

    • Agree: sher singh, Arthur MacBride
  142. @littlereddot

    I don’t think that the Southern Chinese from Amoy or Guangdong or wherever became a merchant-oligarchy due to “cold winters” as the article about Lee states because the Fukien Province is hot & humid…

    I think Southern Chinese evolved to be ambitious & want money because of their gambling addictions.

    Anyhow, immigrants are eligible for government services & the rest of it as citizens while expats are not eligible for anything.

    No axe to grind with Chinese by the way.

    They have to be admired for arriving as bush peddlers & eventually rising to the level of plutocrats & oligarchs. That takes some business acumen & enterprise.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  143. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    Singapore is the money laundering center of Asia

    Singapore is becoming a money laundering centre now. Earlier the Mauritius route was used to money launder Indian money which came back in the country as FDI. That is why tiny Mauritius had multiple times the FDI into India compared to far larger economies like Japan, UK, Germany etc… Now it is moving to Singapore and of course Dubai is a major money laundering center for South Asian money anyways, always. Lately a lot of Nigerian money was flooding into Dubai, you know Nigeria being the largest country in Africa by population and hence large economy as well as oil wealth.
    In India we have something called Hawala transactions, a very traditional medieval Hindu mercantile way of transferring money and now the networks have spread all across the world all the way to places like Argentina or Vanuatua!!! Indians move billions of dollars every day via this parallel (now global) system.

    https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/bangalore/devas-multimedia-pmla-case-court-allows-ed-plea-to-seek-documents-from-singapore-mauritius-7499738/
    Devas Multimedia PMLA case: court allows ED plea to seek documents from Singapore, Mauritius
    The ED* has alleged that the dubious funds were routed via Singapore and Mauritius to India and later routed back to the US.
    * ED– Enforcement Directorate-Government of India

    This below is even more interesting and a bit unexpected
    https://theprint.in/economy/singapore-hong-kong-top-destinations-for-dodgy-money-transactions-followed-by-china-india/508208/
    Singapore, Hong Kong top destinations for dodgy money transactions, followed by China, India
    Revelations are based on a leaked trove of documents which detail more than \$2 trillion in transactions between 1999-2017, flagged as possible money laundering or criminal activity.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/dominicdudley/2019/01/29/dubai-has-become-a-money-laundering-paradise-says-anti-corruption-group/?sh=6f1241ff315e
    Dubai Has Become A “Money Laundering Paradise” Says Anti-Corruption Group

    • Replies: @ivan
    , @antibeast
  144. Malla says:

    Success came from Anglo institutions and Sinic virtue.

    True, Sinic Neo-Confucianism mixed with British values. However do not forget, LKY learnt a lot about discipline when Singapore was briefly a part of the Japanese empire when he observed the effectiveness of the strict, no nonsense Imperial Japanese Military style of governance.

    • Replies: @ivan
  145. @silicon silence

    Silly nonsense from-evidently-some metrosexual academic theoretician who can barely tie his shoelace. Maybe high IQ, but abysmal LQ, Life Quotient, RQ, Reality Quotient. Tell us how we are going to burn up next month due to high CO2 and that only “renewables” (guffaw) can save us. Also, do you think that three masks, complete lockdowns are enough to stop the spread of the flu?

    I await your reponse with bated bourbon breath.

    • Replies: @Arthur MacBride
  146. ivan says:
    @Poupon Marx

    Hey idiot, the events took place a quarter century ago , it was just some kids scratching cars at . Yet you want them to be caned till they fainted. FOAD.

    • Replies: @littlereddot
  147. ivan says:
    @Malla

    You are correct. I don’t know how you come across such illuminating details, Malla. The argument that the DP was an effective deterrent was in fact argued in a student’s magazine with reference to the Kempetei, the dreaded Japanese police, using it in Singapore during the Occupation. I recall reading this in the early 70s, when I was just a kid.

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  148. ivan says:
    @Malla

    Malla, OT but it seems that our beloved country is on the verge of becoming a failed state if the Modi gang is not stopped.

    https://m.thewire.in/article/communalism/watch-calls-for-genocide-could-lead-to-civil-war-modi-doesnt-care-naseeruddin-shah

    • Replies: @Malla
  149. @Truth

    I am certain that the weather is much nicer in the South of France as opposed to Dubai and one isn’t restricted in their diet, viz. swine. But everyone to the devil its own way.

  150. JM says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Extending that logic, it would seem that you would support the creation of a cosmopolitan Globalist meritocracy in the name of rule by IQ.

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  151. @Poupon Marx

    It appears from this character’s post that he’s a dope-head as well as a leftist hand-wringer and faux bleeding heart, part of a very large section of today’s European race.
    Very large but thankfully diminishing recently.

    This section, comprising (but not limited to) antifa, feminists (both sexes), abortion campaigners, queers, satanists, appreciators of Pablo Picasso etc “art” (lol), dopers, cowards, “Greens”, pedophiles and similar dross collectively form the “Darwin Award” sector that is now way overdue for self-administered annihilation.

    It will truly be a major blessing not just for the White race but for all others in our world when this Frankfurt School collection finally and thankfully goes under.

  152. antibeast says:
    @Malla

    Singapore became an offshore financial center (OFC) sometime in the 1990s when flight capital from HK relocated there for fear of the PRC takeover. But Singapore has a very different economy from other OFCs such Mauritius, BVI, Cayman Islands, etc. which are now being blacklisted by the OECD countries. The difference is that Singapore is also an onshore financial center with real companies operating there instead of just shell companies.

    A good example is the real-estate industry in Singapore which is dominated by the State unlike HK whose real-estate sector is a tax-free haven for money-laundering. Other well-known cities whose real-estate sector acts as money-laundering haven include London, NY, Miami, etc.

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  153. @jeff stryker

    Your reference was to that of Hokkien(Chinese) people preying on Filipinos, not of the language. I think you do not remember your flippant remarks.

  154. @Poupon Marx

    Singapore’s society is the future, as far as I am concerned. Live with no fear, lying is rare, and honor and integrity are high.

    The irony is that the Singaporeans have no wish to export their system of government or way of life. It is very much the same with East Asians in general, be it Japanese, Koreans, Chinese etc.

    “If other people people want to come to learn from our experience, very well. But I am not going to force my values on anyone else”. Contrast this with the way Americans push onto the world their version of Freedom and Liberty and Democracy.

    East Asian culture is simply not proselytising like those derived from the Abrahamic religions.

    The double irony is that so many Americans project their own proselytising tendencies on China. They immediately assume a rising China with a China necessarily wanting to recreate the world in its own image.

    I think that American anxieties of China would be greatly calmed if they realised this fact.

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
    , @Hacienda
  155. @ivan

    LOL, with attitudes like that, no wonder your country is the way it is.

  156. JM says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    BTW, tell me something I don’t already know re the IQ issue in SE Asia. But the problem is balancing that against the national rights of native/settler/pioneer peoples. In Australia the Chinese blow-ins occupy over 90% of the positions in the good government schools and a huge disproportion in the private/church schools. I have a position on this, but am, as with all questions today, open to reasonable variations.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  157. antibeast says:
    @Yee

    Singapore has close defense ties with lots of countries not just the USA. One-third of its Air Force —which is the most powerful in Southeast Asia — is based in the USA, France, Australia and Thailand. Before switching its diplomatic ties to the PRC, Singapore had close defense ties with the ROC, with its Army using military bases in Taiwan for training exercises after Chiang Ching-Kuo signed an agreement in 1975. LKY even appointed Taiwanese instructors to train the Singapore military.

  158. Anonymous[168] • Disclaimer says:
    @showmethereal

    India’s birth rate is falling rapidly as well.

    This is true but mostly in the South, in South India. The southernmost Indian states (Tamil Nadu, Kerela) are already below replacement for a quite a while. North Indian states like Utter Pradesh (UP) and Bihar still have fertility above 3.
    India’s population will rise to 1.8 billion before it starts falling and ageing rapidly, the stage China has already reached. With rising automation, there will be very few jobs for such a huge population. That along with major environmental degradation, water shortage (many lakes have nearly disappeared due to the huge demands of a huge population). The combination of few jobs and environmental/resource crunch does not bode well for the future. Pakistan also faces similar problems with a fertility rate above that of India and Bangladesh now, earlier East Pakistan/Bangladesh used to have a much higher fertility than West Pakistan and the West Pakistani elites used to look at this rising Bengali demographic in united Pakistan as a threat. Sri Lanka is reaching below replacement too, it is just at the border of 2.1 and going downwards.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  159. @littlereddot

    The irony is that the Singaporeans have no wish to export their system of government or way of life. It is very much the same with East Asians in general, be it Japanese, Koreans, Chinese etc.

    I think that American anxieties of China would be greatly calmed if they realised this fact.

    Maybe, it is a bit more complicated than that. China could become an example to other nations.

    … It is also consistent with the arguments of the most honest kind of “China hawk,” who argues that the real problem with Beijing is not that it wants to dominate the world, but that it might stop the U.S. from doing so in a unipolar manner.

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/china-real-threat-america-ruling-ideology/5733887

    • Replies: @littlereddot
  160. General Announcement-

    Jeff Stryker is a white American who lives overseas who engages in commerce involving all races & walks of life from “Chinoys” in the Philippines to Canadians of the Sikh religion in various endeavors ranging from “girly bars” to what are known as “Direct-to-Video Entertainment”

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=niOBaE7br_0

    I cannot help offending Gen Y Asian copter kids who still live with Mummy & are told to stay out of the kitchen or their genitals will fall off.

    My posts are for big-dicked, barrel-chested, take-no-crap, Gen X, expat (Not immigrant) white Teuton men like myself.

    Millennial fags who are still living at home aged 25 when I was in Dubai need not bother criticizing me. Gen Y Millennials are often effeminates with “Man [email protected]

    My posts are for Generation X white men. Straits Chinese who take offense of my criticism of their crude exploitation of Malays can perform a reverse-bowel movement.

    I’m remain indifferent.

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    • Replies: @littlereddot
    , @Truth
  161. @Deep Thought

    Yes, I do agree.

    As Chomsky said, the real threat that China poses to the USA is “the threat of a good example”.

  162. @JM

    No, because besides IQ I find ethnicity also important. The ideal situation would be ethnically “pure” states ruled by an indigenous elite not only of high intelligence but also of high morality. A world consisting of a collection of such states would be ideal in my opinion.

    • Replies: @RJ Macready
  163. @JM

    Australia should never have changed its “White Australia Policy”. Its white middle class is in danger of being replaced by intelligent Chinese and Indians (same in the US).

    Ideally all Chinese of South East Asia should concentrate in or near Singapore, which should become a 100% pure Chinese statelet (for that purpose some additional territory from Malaysia should be added to Singapore).

    Indians of South East Asia should be repatriated to India, because they are not of the Mongolian race, which is the case for South East Asians and Chinese.

    Multi-racial states are a nightmare. “Diversity is strength” is the greatest lie of our age.

  164. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    But Singapore has a very different economy from other OFCs such Mauritius, BVI, Cayman Islands, etc. which are now being blacklisted by the OECD countries.

    Yes, obviously that is correct. Singapore has a far more sophisticated diverse & technologically advanced economy that these off shore havens like Mauritius, Barbados etc.. or even the UAE. I would never dispute that.

    acts as money-laundering haven include London, NY, Miami, etc.

    Vancouver, Auckland, Melbourne, Sydney to name a few more. Looted money from their countries invested here and make buying a house impossibly expensive of the local young folks of the cities.

  165. @jeff stryker

    LOL, how brave are you to make glancing comments.

    If you have something to say, say it directly, and address me directly.

    Man up and face me if you dare.

    And no, taking a moniker from a big dicked porn star does not make you more of a man. It just shows your insecurities and your secret wishes.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  166. @Franklin Ryckaert

    Ideally all Chinese of South East Asia should concentrate in or near Singapore, which should become a 100% pure Chinese statelet (for that purpose some additional territory from Malaysia should be added to Singapore).

    I doubt many Chinese Singaporeans would agree with you.

    We have come to like the mix of cultures. Myself, I go to Little India once or twice a week to eat the great food there. And Indians have a spiritual slant that would go us all some good to learn from. I especially like the southerners like the Tamils.

    And the Malay food is pretty great too. They are the nicest people in the world. But a little laid back. But hey, that adds to their charms.

  167. @Franklin Ryckaert

    Morality is a man made concept. It is anti nature. I agree with everything else you wrote.
    ” The ideal situation would be ethnically “pure” states ruled by an indigenous elite of high intelligence and Implementing a hard fisted rule. You break the rule, no judge or court….straight to the hangman(or electric chair). Every crime will stop. Society will be ideal. You wont pay me to live in saudi arabia but I respect their implementation of such hard punishment. You rape….straight to the beheading square in the middle of Riyadh. There are only 40-45 rape cases every year in the entire country.

    After the hard fist rule is implemented and running well one can introduce moral code or the ideal of the higher man. And even then religion should be totally seperate from state and politics.

  168. Malla says:
    @Priss Factor

    A family with a girl as Only Child will do everything to make her succeed in life, and that means taking a slot from a male.

    That is why Hitler sent the women home to become wives and mothers. The positions they vacated were given to unemployed men so that more families could make a living and put bread in their bellies.

  169. @Franklin Ryckaert

    Ideally all Chinese of South East Asia should concentrate in or near Singapore, which should become a 100% pure Chinese statelet (for that purpose some additional territory from Malaysia should be added to Singapore).

    The Malays would object fiercely, I am sure. Why not carve out a state or 2 in Australia to make it “a 100% pure Chinese statelet” for ALL the Chinese in Southeast Asia to move to? After all, the whites in Australia have LESS a moral claim to the land of Australia than the Malays have on the land of Malaya!

    Indians of South East Asia should be repatriated to India, because they are not of the Mongolian race, which is the case for South East Asians and Chinese.

    Would the whites in Australia like to be repatriated to Europe? The whites are NOT “of the Mongolian race” either, and Australia really is just the biggest island on the southeast of the Continent of Asia!

    Similarly, the whites in North America are NOT closely related to the TRUE NATIVES of the American continents– North and South– either!

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  170. @bombthe3gorgesdam

    You win! You can have Tocharia.

    Just leave the Americas, Australia and New Zealand to the rightful owners ok?

  171. anon[218] • Disclaimer says:
    @Deep Thought

    Its a waste of time trying to argue with gweilo….full of hypocrisy self-righteousness and utter lack of empathy for others. Just have to set clear boundaries and punish them fiercely if they dont stop their bullshit….

  172. “…The Malays would object fiercely, I am sure…”

    But that would have them get rid of 7,3 million Chinese (22,4% of their population) who outcompete them economically.

    Australia, New Zealand and North and South America were indeed conquered from the natives by Europeans, but that happened centuries ago. If you want to return all conquered land to natives, then why stop at a few centuries, why not millennia?

    In that case all of South East Asia, now populated by Mongoloids, should be returned to Australoids, and nearly all of sub-Saharan Africa, now populated by Bantus, should be returned to Pygmies and Bushmen.

    And now that we are at it, all of Central Asia and Xinjian, now populated by Turkish peoples, should be returned to Aryan Scythians and Aryan Tokharians. Lots of work to do!

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
  173. Hacienda says:
    @littlereddot

    East Asian culture is simply not proselytising like those derived from the Abrahamic religions.

    It’s the difference between Egypt and Everest. To use a striking example. But both are “proselytizing” in their own way.

    Enough with the idea that E.Asians are flat, unemotional fish going about nature’s way.

    I want to find out what the Chinese want and why they want it. I’d prefer actual Chinese who are in power explaining themselves, not some politically or racially biased white or black or CIA bot telling me what is up or down.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @littlereddot
  174. Truth says:
    @jeff stryker

    Tell em’ Stryke-Dawg!

    Now that Linh is gone, the White P—— need someone else to keep em’ in line.

  175. anon[106] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hacienda

    I want to find out what the Chinese want and why they want it. I’d prefer actual Chinese who are in power explaining themselves, not some politically or racially biased white or black or CIA bot telling me what is up or down.

    They did and they have. But how do you know what was going on if no major news media covered it or purposedly distort what was said?

    To give an example, Qin Gang, the Chinese Ambassador to the United States, just had a meeting with American reporters from all the major news media not that long ago. He covered a couple of topics that might interest people like you. Did you see or hear anything from the American media about what he said or what was discussed?

    Another example, when the Chinese leaders talked about “socialism with Chinese characteristics”, some people made fun of them, thinking it is some B.S. empty slogan. It is not. There is a whole book with that title explaining what it is and how the Chinese economic system works. Not to mention other countless articles/papers and speeches.

    A few years back some Congress people visited Beijing. They were asking where all those famous “bicycles” were. When Nixon visited China, there were hardly any cars, but bicycles were everywhere. They were probably thinking that Beijing was still the same almost a half century later.

    Maybe the Chinese have Not explained themselves well. Some Chinese netizens compare the Chinese “propaganda” department to the Chinese soccer team. Not exactly a compliment as Chinese like soccer but their national team has been one of the worst in the world.

    But again, I don’t know how much your average Americans are interested in learning other people and other non-Western countries.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/17/opinion/17stein.html

    FOR the past several months, I’ve been wrapping up lengthy interviews with Washington counterterrorism officials with a fundamental question: “Do you know the difference between a Sunni and a Shiite?”


    Take Representative Terry Everett, a seven-term Alabama Republican who is vice chairman of the House intelligence subcommittee on technical and tactical intelligence.

    “Do you know the difference between a Sunni and a Shiite?” I asked him a few weeks ago.

    Mr. Everett responded with a low chuckle. He thought for a moment: “One’s in one location, another’s in another location. No, to be honest with you, I don’t know. I thought it was differences in their religion, different families or something.”

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    , @Yee
  176. Malla says:
    @ivan

    Thanks. Since that link mentions Karan Thapar, this interview with Pratap Bhanu Mehta. Brilliant. Mr Pratap is president of the Centre for Policy Research, New Delhi.

    Modi’s Made India Communal & Authoritarian; Courts Caving-in; India May Fracture: Pratap Bhanu Mehta

    But check out at 34:34. He says all of South Asia is going radical religious fundamentalist. India, Pakistan and even Sri Lanka. This is nothing but the effect of pre-maturely leaving the British Empire. Hindutva, Buddhist fundamentalism in Sri Lanka or Islamic fundamentalism (recent lynching of a Buddhist Sri Lankan man in Pakistan for example) is the evitable result of decolonisation.

    • Replies: @ivan
  177. Malla says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Indians of South East Asia should be repatriated to India, because they are not of the Mongolian race, which is the case for South East Asians and Chinese.

    LOL The Tamil and Sikh (guys at least) have it good in those Mongoloid lands. They get a lot of easy tight Mongoloid vagina. On the side, as they tend to marry their own women. I knew quite a lot of them. The desi women and Mongoloid men are both not much attracted to each other but there are many sparks in the opposite combination.

    • Replies: @boy1988
    , @NiceNūr
    , @NiceNūr
  178. Hacienda says:
    @anon

    But again, I don’t know how much your average Americans are interested in learning other people and other non-Western countries.

    Americans will learn if there is a reason to learn. Usually for money, power, and prestige. Otherwise for survival. There is a majority willing to learn because of curiosity. That’s human nature.

    I find the Chinese official personality so reactive, stiff, and foreboding that it is hard to get past that.
    You see that in the Chinese bureaucrat, minister of this and that. Officious peons that Americans
    have despised since its founding. Not saying the goofy, silly, now shrilled American personality is better. But there are Americans with ease in international settings that no Chinese possesses.
    You see this with PewDiePie (not American, but might as well be). Or Marques Brownlee, the black tech reviewer. Even Elon Musk, who has a brilliant media presence.

    They get their messages across. The Chinese? Nobody. Andrew Yang is the best I’ve seen, and he is American.

    The Chinese are not that lame. They just are not trying or they are stifled.

  179. ivan says:
    @Malla

    Dr Mehta at full flight is unbeatable.

    • Replies: @Malla
  180. ivan says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Indian culture permeates all of SEA Try harder Frankie.

  181. Yee says:
    @anon

    Some Chinese netizens compare the Chinese “propaganda” department to the Chinese soccer team.

    Be thankful they haven’t gone to side with the US en mass like the Hongkong media…

  182. @Hacienda

    I’d prefer actual Chinese who are in power explaining themselves

    Good luck with that. You actually think that the Chinese in power work like Western politicians constantly performing and entertaining the public for their votes. Chinese leaders prefer to concentrate on governing.

    But please don’t believe us. Just see it for yourself in 30 years when the results stares you in the face.

    • Replies: @Hacienda
  183. @Anonymous

    Thanks for those tidbits about the geographical differences.. Why are the southern states so much lower than the northern states?

    And yes I am aware that they still aren’t producing enough jobs for the young people entering the workforce. That is a serious situation indeed…

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
    , @Malla
  184. @Franklin Ryckaert

    But that would have them get rid of 7,3 million Chinese (22,4% of their population) who outcompete them economically.

    Are the Malays willing to give up 22% of their territory?

    And what are they going to do with their economy after that? I remember reading a piece some years ago that Mahathir was still unhappy about the Malays’ inability to run the Malaysian economy without the hands of the ethnic Chinese– after decades of favoured treatments.

    Australia, New Zealand and North and South America were indeed conquered from the natives by Europeans, but that happened centuries ago. If you want to return all conquered land to natives, then why stop at a few centuries, why not millennia?

    Then you are actually making the case for the ethnic Chinese, Indians, etc to stay put:

    1. The Chinese, Indians, etc did not conquered, or forced their way into, these lands. They came as coolies, shed sweat, blood and even lost lives, to earn their rights to be there. Of course, the Africans did the same as slaves in the Western hemisphere. Unlike the non-Jewish whites, they generally have contributed to the host societies instead of exploiting, or oppressing, the host popuplations.

    2. Right now, they seems to have settled well into these lands.

    3. There have been persecutions against them– the Chinese in Indonesia and Vietnam, the Indians in Uganda, the Jews in Europe,… Apparently, their crimes were nothing more than not being able to assimilate into the host societies– unlike the Chinese in Thailand or the Philippines.

    And now that we are at it, all of Central Asia and Xinjiang, now populated by Turkish peoples, should be returned to Aryan Scythians and Aryan Tokharians. Lots of work to do!

    Don’t know much about “Aryan Scythians and Aryan Tocharians.” Were they ACTUALLY European peoples? Did they reside in modern day Xinjiang BEFORE the Xiongnu tribes, or were they ancestors of the Xiongnu, etc? “Lots of work to do” to clarify all these questions first.

  185. @littlereddot

    DOT

    You personally? Well I do not know what you are. I make it clear I am a German-American from the Upper Midwest but whether you are Straits Chinese or Singaporean Indian or a Nigerian is indeterminate.

    Straits Chinese who originate from the Guangdong area tend to get heated & their disposition changes whenever a white man mentions Fukien family cartels-I know them well myself, of course-so I can only presume you are Chinese Singaporean but even this would be assuming much.

    You have some Millennials here who pretend to be older women ffsake.

    Millennials are a sad cursed generation. I kind of pity them. They grew up in the roaring 90’s & came of age when some alcoholic bum named George Bush was elected who trashed the world with wars & then there were 3 recessions that ruined them. They cannot leave home as adults. They cannot marry.

    [MORE]

    Their generation of women have all given up on marriage & traditional female roles due to economic reasons so they have degenerated into amateur porn stars & exhibitionist sluts.

    Now they get by on the “gig economy” & they live at home at 30 & are porn addicted masturbators who have never had any life experience.

    You personally overestimate your importance to me (Or other posters) but your anti-white inclinations pour out of you…I sometimes wonder why non-whites peruse the commentary section, except to gauge the decline of Western Civilization.

    On one note, you are correct. I do not know Singapore well. Passed through but never lived there.

    Certainly, Lee Kuan Yew followed his British former masters well. By combining English law & soft-Sino dictatorship to a city-state he managed to raise it to a Western high-functioning level.

    I read his biography.

    As for my handle, it is a joke, but not a reflection of my own gender preference.

    Then again, you must know that, as you frequently mentioned my ladies of the night.

    That is the thing about Gen Y Millennials.

    You cannot even THINK in a linear coherent fashion. Your brains are fried by internet porn & you grow up with a narrow sense of the world because you cannot leave home.

    As for white crimes against Natives in Australia or other countries, although Chinese bush peddlers & sailors were there previously, they did not build roads or civilizations.

    I’m not sure they could. Chinese IQ is much-vaunted but they lack the energy as a race.

    They are sleazy rear-camp followers.

  186. Malla says:
    @showmethereal

    Why are the southern states so much lower than the northern states?

    Firstly South Indians are little bit more of a genteel nature than us North Indians. Also there has been more education there primarily because Christian missionary activities has been very strong there for a long time. Indeed Christianity came to South India just three centuries after Christ. For example, the state of Kerela, Travancore Kingdom, were saved by the English from an attack by Tipu Sultan just north. Earlier that region was a castist nightmare where the Brahmins exploited the lower castes to the fullest, lower caste Dalit women had to expose boobs and pay boob tax!!! But soon the Kingdom became very friendly to British advisors and Christian missionaries. So in 1947, South India was far ahead in education including female education. Also British Empire for some reason worked better there, lot of improvement in social conditions and South India was in general aloof from the anti-British revolutionary activities up north in Bengal, Punjab etc…

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  187. Malla says:
    @showmethereal

    This is best explained by Sir Valentine Chirol in his book written during during the 20s British India.
    https://ia600707.us.archive.org/3/items/indianunrest031129mbp/indianunrest031129mbp.pdf
    Chapter on South India
    “But that Southern India where Hinduism is supreme should have remained hitherto so little affected by the political agitation which has swept across India further north from the Deccan to Bengal may at first sight cause some surprise. Yet the explanation is not far to seek, if one bears in mind the profound differences which nature itself has imposed upon this vast sub-continent.”
    ….snip…
    “Tempered by more frequent rains and the moist breezes which sweep across it from both the Malabar and the Coromaiidel coasts, the climate is more equable and the heat, though more continuous, is less fierce. The whole character of the country is luxuriantly tropical, and though the lowlands are not more fertile than the matchless delta of the Ganges, the more varied prodigality of nature shows itself alike in the waving forests of cocoanut, which are common all along the coast, in the rich tobacco-fields of Madura and Coimbatore, in the plantations of cinchona, pepper, cardamoms, and other spices on the slopes of the Nilgiri highlands, and in the splendid growths of teak, ebony, and sandalwood that clothe the Western Ghats. The population, which in some parts attains extraordinary density and lives almost exclusively on the fruits of the soil, is of the old Dravidian stock, industrious and frugal as in other parts of India, and of a placid and gentle temper.
    …snip….
    “Nowhere has Hindu architecture taken such majestic shape, the massive pylons of Madura and Tanjore recalling the imperishable grandeur of the noblest temples on the Nile. Southern India is in fact a land of stately shrines which dominate the whole country just as our own great cathedrals dominated England in the Middle Ages. Yet in Southern India, Hinduism has not assumed the aggressive character which it has developed in other regions. Perhaps it feels too secure of the unchallenged supremacy which it has enjoyed through the ages as a social and religious force without ever aspiring to direct political ascendancy. Perhaps the admixture of Dravidian blood has imparted to it a more serene tolerance. “

  188. Malla says:
    @showmethereal

    Sir Chirol writes
    Perhaps it appreciates more fully the relief from the turmoil, strife, and bloodshed which was brought to Southern India by the advent of British rule. Compare the legend of a pre-British ” golden ago ” propagated by Tilak and his disciples in the Deccan and in Bengal with the remarkable picture of the condition of Southern India at the time when the British power first appeared on the scene which was drawn by a Madras Brahman, the late Mr. Srinivasaraghava lyangar :
    “Southern India (before becoming part of the British Empire) had been devastated by wars, famines, and bands of plunderers ; the cultivating classes were ground down by oppressive taxation, by the illegal exactions of the officers of Government, of the renters employed to collect the Government dues, and of the sowkars without whose assistance the ryots could not subsist and qarry on their calling, and who kept them in a state little removed from perpetual bondage ; trade was hampered by insecurity of property, defective communications, and onerous transit
    duties ; the vast majority of the population suffered extreme hardships when there was even a partial failure of crops in small tracts, owing to the great difficulty and cost of obtaining supplies of grain from more favoured regions ; the peasantry and even possessors of considerable landed property, when not holding office under Government themselves, were cowering before the pettiest Government officer and submitting to tortures and degrading personal ill-treatment inflicted on the slightest pretext ; persons who had chanced to acquire wealth, if they belonged to the lower classes, dared not openly use it for purposes of enjoyment or display for fear of being plundered by the classes above them ; the agricultural classes as a whole had few wants beyond those imposed by the necessity for bare subsistence, no ambition or enterprise to try untrodden ways, and no example to stimulate them to endeavour to better their condition, while the rigid usages of castes and communities in which society was organized repressed all freedom of action and restricted the scope for individual initiative. To understand the full significance of the change (after becoming part of the British Empire) which has come over the country one has to contrast what he sees at present, unsatisfactory as it may appear from some points of view, with the state of things described above. . . .”
    …snip….
    Its northern rivals (other British Presidencies) call it (Madras Presidency) despitefully the ” benighted ” Presidency. No epithet, however, could be more undeserved, for if its annals (Of Madras Presidency i.e. British South India) for the last hundred years have been unsensational, its record in respect of education, intelligent administration, material prosperity, and all that goes with peaceful continuous progress would entitle it rather to be called the ” Model ” Presidency. The Native States of Southern India, and above all Mysore, which was for many years under direct British administration, will equally boar favourable comparison with any of the Native States of Central or Northern India. From the standpoint of education, Southern India has long held and probably still holds the lead, thanks in a great measure to the large Christian communities which comprise more than two-thirds of the whole Christian population of India. “

  189. Malla says:
    @Deep Thought

    Don’t know much about “Aryan Scythians and Aryan Tocharians.” Were they ACTUALLY European peoples? Did they reside in modern day Xinjiang BEFORE the Xiongnu tribes

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythians

    Early physical analyses have unanimously concluded that the Scythians, even those in the east (e.g. the Pazyryk region), possessed predominantly “Europid” features, although mixed ‘Euro-mongoloid” phenotypes also occur, depending on site and period.[116]

    In artworks, the Scythians are portrayed exhibiting European traits.[117] In Histories, the 5th-century Greek historian Herodotus describes the Budini of Scythia as red-haired and grey-eyed.[117] In the 5th century BC, Greek physician Hippocrates argued that the Scythians have purron (ruddy) skin.[117][118] In the 3rd century BC, the Greek poet Callimachus described the Arismapes (Arimaspi) of Scythia as fair-haired.[117][119] The 2nd century BC Han Chinese envoy Zhang Qian described the Sai (Scythians) as having yellow (probably meaning hazel or green), and blue eyes.[117] In Natural History, the 1st century AD Roman author Pliny the Elder characterises the Seres, sometimes identified as Iranians (Scythians) or Tocharians, as red-haired and blue-eyed.[117][120] In the late 2nd century AD, the Christian theologian Clement of Alexandria says that the Scythians are fair-haired.[117][121] The 2nd century Greek philosopher Polemon includes the Scythians among the northern peoples characterised by red hair and blue-grey eyes.[117] In the late 2nd or early 3rd century AD, the Greek physician Galen declares that Sarmatians, Scythians and other northern peoples have reddish hair.[117][122] The fourth-century Roman historian Ammianus Marcellinus wrote that the Alans, a people closely related to the Scythians, were tall, blond and light-eyed.[123] The 4th century bishop of Nyssa Gregory of Nyssa wrote that the Scythians were fair skinned and blond haired.[124] The 5th-century physician Adamantius, who often follow Polemon, describes the Scythians are fair-haired.[117][125]

    Lord Buddha himself came from an Indo Scythian royal family.
    http://thaimangoes.blogspot.in/2009/08/h9.html

    Lord Buddha had blue eyes.
    Look at the physical characteristics of the Mahapurusha (Great Man) Lord Buddha
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_characteristics_of_the_Buddha
    Characteristic 29: Eyes deep blue

  190. Malla says:
    @Deep Thought

    Don’t know much about “Aryan Scythians and Aryan Tocharians.” Were they ACTUALLY European peoples?

    The Uyghurs are hybrids of East Asians and Northern Europeans.

    Uyghurs are hybrids
    https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/uyghurs-are-hybrids

  191. @jeff stryker

    You see,

    More of these dropping of terms in an attempt to impress people. You glean some words here and there and without in depth knowledge, cast yourself as an expert.

    You seem to think that Straits Chinese = Chinese in the Straits. LOL. I will not educate you further. This is just one of the many points that people who are truly knowledgeable about the situation can see through your phoniness immediately.

    Thank you for thinking I am a millenial. I owe you a beer for complimenting my youthful appearance. I must admit that even my men told me that I had youthful appearance when I was in the military 30 years ago.

    But millenials are not sad. Around the world, they have alot to look forward too. The future never looked better for billions of young people in the global south. It is only the millenials in the USA who have a sad future. Thanks to your generation of self indulgent, delusional Yanks who left them nothing but debt and a crumbling country.

    Blah blah blah. If you have point, make it in less than 5 paragraphs. Otherwise you lose your audience. Did your professors not tell you that in college?

  192. @Deep Thought

    The problem here is that while the Chinese believe in separate
    hominization/polyphylesis (read: They are not out of Africa, nononono)
    they go full upskirted virgin at every mention of the Tocharians
    (to speak of “Europeans” makes little sense, but the Steppe was One several times before Temujin “of the grey-eyed Kyuts” invented the Mongols).
    As for the Xiongnu, in Chinese lore they were Chinese princes banished
    for recycling their dead fathers´concubines 😉

  193. @Deep Thought

    The Scythians of Central Asia were indeed Aryans who spoke an Iranian language. The Tokharians of Xinjian were also Aryans who also spoke an Indo-European language, but not of the Iranian branch. Both peoples were overrun by Turkic peoples who defeated them and absorbed them, with the result that racially the peoples of Central Asia and Xinjian are now of mixed Caucasian-Mongolian appearance.

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
    , @Malla
  194. @jeff stryker

    The handle “littlereddot” obviously refers to the tilak Indian women wear on their forehead:

    https://i2.wp.com/www.allabouthinduism.info/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Vidya-Balan_7.jpg?resize=300%2C275

    So this person must be Indian, and probably a woman to boot.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @littlereddot
  195. @Franklin Ryckaert

    Are you saying that the “Tokharians of Xinjian” came from OUTSIDE what is now Xinjiang (from the West) and were of European (Caucasian) ancestry? And present day residents there are a mix of Tocharians and East Asians?

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Franklin Ryckaert
  196. Malla says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    So this person must be Indian, and probably a woman to boot.

    Noooooo….we have sooo many Indian wumao types as it is….Indian Nationalists…BJP IT cell types like mefool mehta. Hundreds of millions. We do not want more wumao types (little red dot, joe wong, showmereal, ddan, deep thought and their types) to join our nation. Noooooooooo..Please NO.

    • Replies: @littlereddot
  197. Malla says:
    @Deep Thought

    I suspect those Tocharian Aryans were there first and thus were most probably native.

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
  198. Malla says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    We have those blond mummies found in Western China

  199. @Deep Thought

    Yes, that is the scientific consensus. You can find information on the Tocharians here:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tocharians

    Most Uyghurs look somewhat between Mongolians and Europeans, but some look entirely European, like this one:

    https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-2a5ab8f23f24b0f411ceace646f12f87-lq

    or this one: https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-226900e6d6b2a8446cebb5940ef96a6d-lq

  200. Malla says:
    @ivan

    Yes true, that interview is the best in understanding what is really going on in Modi’s India. Pakistan like India is going crazy fundamentalist too. Both India and Pakistan are going crazy. Traditional Anglo-liberalism is eventually failing in the Subcontinent. According to Ambedkar, Anglo Liberalism + Buddhism was the best future for the subcontinent. I would add Christianity, you do not see desi Christians behave like Hindutva and Muslim fundamentalists. The future is dark.
    https://scroll.in/article/1012362/by-condoning-religious-hate-pakistan-set-itself-on-the-path-that-led-to-sialkot-lynching
    By condoning religious hate, Pakistan set itself on the path that led to Sialkot lynching
    The government’s policy of appeasement and use of religion out of political expediency have contributed to the rise of violent extremism in the country.
    Zahid Hussain, Dawn.com

    “The attackers were all young. Many of those who watched the gruesome spectacle were teenagers. No one showed any sense of shock at the bestiality that was taking place. Several were busy filming the ghastly scene rather approvingly. There was not even a feeble voice of protest when the attackers set on fire the body of the dead Sri Lankan factory manager in Pakistan’s Sialkot.

    What happened in Sialkot last week demonstrates the radicalisation of a society that condones violence in the name of faith. The crowd that had gathered seemed immune to the grisly nature of the crime. The fury of the attackers was frightening. Some of them might be punished but it is the impunity for rising religiously-inspired violent extremism that will keep producing tragedies like Sialkot.

    It may have been a most horrific incident but Pakistan has been increasingly witnessing killings in the name of faith. The issue of blasphemy comes in handy for zealots and criminals. The state’s policy of appeasement and in some cases using religion out of political expediency has contributed hugely to the rise of violent extremism.”
    …snip…

    A few years ago, the country had witnessed the gruesome murder of a young university student by his classmates on campus. Falsely accused of blasphemy, Mashal Khan was beaten and shot to death because of his views. Even some university administration members were accused of inciting the students.

    The courts freed many of the suspects. Their release was celebrated. The shock over the grisly incident soon vanished. Meanwhile, there is hardly any talk about how a Christian couple was thrown alive into a furnace on baseless charges of blasphemy.

    This year, a temple was vandalised after allegations of a seminary being desecrated by a Hindu child. Just a few days before the Sialkot lynching, a mob set on fire a police station in Charsadda for sheltering a mentally disturbed man suspected of committing blasphemy. The mob wanted to burn him alive. Many other cases of violence against the Ahmadi community go unreported.”

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @ivan
  201. anon[310] • Disclaimer says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Malays are Australoids not Mongoloids. They originated from Southern India.

    The West forced their way into third world countries through “gunboat diplomacy”, grew rich through world trade and colonialism (esp. plundering of natural resources), moved and displaced people all over the world esp. Indian and Chinese laborers, but want to keep them out of the West itself. The white race continues to live under the illusion that it is simply better than all other races. Even now the Five Eyes continue to try to dictate how other countries should run themselves, now that they’ve royally effed up the world with imperialism.

    Judging from the success of Singapore and Dubai, I think people outside the West are a lot more open to mixing and mingling than whites. It’d be interesting to see when (not if) the rest overtakes the West.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  202. Hacienda says:
    @littlereddot

    Just see it for yourself in 30 years when the results stares you in the face.

    At which point there will be an even greater worldwide demand that China “explains” herself.

    It’s one thing to be the graspy, needy girl clawing her way up. It’s another thing to be the miser with all the money and the world knows it.

    • Replies: @littlereddot
    , @anon
  203. Anonymous[881] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    Interesting point, yes – it seems those countries (or at least a very significant amount of the population) is going nuts and trashing the “rule of law” tradition that Anglos left behind. I’ve heard some stuff out of Bangladesh also, but hopefully it can escape that general trend.

    • Replies: @Malla
  204. @anon

    Malays and the other peoples of South East Asia are an older branch of the Mongoloid race, that is why they are called “paleo-Mongoloids”. In some places of South East Asia such as Cambodia and Java admixture with Australoids took place. Such people have darker skin and more wavy hair without losing their typical paleo-Mongoloid features.

    The Australoids were once the oldest population of South Asia, stretching from the south of the Arabian peninsula, the south of Iraq, the coast of Iran, India, and South East Asia to Australia. In South East Asia they were overrun by Mongoloids, in India, Iran and the Middle East by Caucasoids. The remnant Australoid element is strongest in the Indian sub-continent, constituting about one third of the genome.

    • Agree: Malla
    • Thanks: RadicalCenter
  205. @Malla

    I will assume you are saying education… Christianity itself doesn’t affect fertility… So southern Indians are more educated I take it…

    • Replies: @Malla
  206. @Mehool Mehta

    Lmao what a fucking clown. Abe chutiye…apne gaand mai daal desh ke jhande ko or chilla….bharat mata ki maa ki choot. Bharat mata ki maa ka bhosda

    Your shithole india is going to be broken into pieces street shitter. The world knows it and you know it deep down

    • Troll: sher singh
  207. @Franklin Ryckaert

    The handle “littlereddot” obviously refers to the tilak Indian women wear on their forehead

    nice angle! I like my nick even more now!

  208. @Hacienda

    At which point there will be an even greater worldwide demand that China “explains” herself.

    China never explains herself. Her policy is that if you want to deal with her, you show her respect. That is it.

    Learn your history darling. And I don’t mean the Western MSM bully boy version of history.

    • Agree: showmethereal
  209. @Malla

    We do not want more wumao types (little red dot, joe wong, showmereal, ddan, deep thought and their types) to join our nation.

    LOL, almost as delusional as the Americans.

    Why would anyone want to go join India? Even Indians are desperate to emigrate the slightest chance they have.

    Thank you for starting my day with a joke!

    • LOL: showmethereal
    • Replies: @Malla
  210. anon[106] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hacienda

    China’s soft power is solely lacking compared to its military and economic power. China has done a relatively good job with the Global south, but I don’t think it will make strides any time soon with the US and its allies.

    @Hacienda, if you are interested
    starting at 2:05 to 2:09.

    @littlereddot
    starting at 2:21 to 2:25, and from 1:52 to 1:57

  211. anon[106] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    From Peter Lee, a former columnist here at Unz.

  212. ivan says:
    @Malla

    In Pakistan Ziaul Haq in particular weaponised the Koran to beat down the minorities and those liberals who read the Dawn. In India we have RSSholes doing the same thing with the Holy Cow. It took Zia about 10 years to turn Pakistan into hell on earth. Wonder how long it will take the RSS, for the equivalent. But the South, East and West (Punjab) is prepared to fight. We’ll end up like Sri Lanka an hundred fold. Is it any wonder that China brushes aside all of India’s ‘concerns’? India is in no position to fight a sustained war against a determined enemy like the China-Pak combine. Chicoms have made their calculations.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
  213. @Malla

    I suspect those Tocharian Aryans were there first and thus were most probably native.

    Another study says that they were “local.” I don’t know what “an ancient Asian population” means!

    {Bronze Age mummies found buried in a barren desert in Xinjiang in western China were descended from an ancient Asian population, not newcomers to the region as previously suggested, according to a new study.}

    {The Tarim Basin mummies in what is now southern Xinjiang were once thought to be Indo-European-speaking migrants from the West. Some thought that their ancestors migrated from what became southern Siberia, northern Afghanistan or the Central Asian mountains.

    “The identity of the earliest inhabitants of Xinjiang, in the heart of inner Asia, and the languages that they spoke have long been debated and remain contentious,” wrote the team of 34 researchers from China, Germany, South Korea and the United States in peer-reviewed journal Nature on Wednesday.}

    {The team analysed the DNA of 13 mummies dated to the Middle Bronze Age in the Tarim Basin in Xinjiang – a dry inland sea that now forms the Taklamakan Desert. They found that the Tarim mummies had only local ancestry.}

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3153905/xinjiang-mummies-origins-closer-home-we-thought-study-finds

    • Replies: @Malla
  214. @anon

    … but I don’t think it will make strides any time soon with the US and its allies.

    Don’t be silly! It doesn’t matter what China does or not, the white West will always be hostile to it. It can be summarised by one four-letter word– RACE!!!

  215. boy1988 says:
    @Malla

    I think you meant south East Asian aka Austronesian women(Malay,Thai,Filipino ).Sure they’ll spread their legs for any races and don’t discriminate.East Asian rarely choose an Indian or any South Asian male unless he’s a successful person in life Even then I noticed the women have subpar beauty .But that doesn’t mean Indian guys can’t taste a Chinese pussy.Its easy to find a Chinese sex worker .But bonking a hooker isn’t the same as bonking a non hooker

    • Replies: @Malla
  216. Hacienda says:
    @anon

    China has done a relatively good job with the Global south, but I don’t think it will make strides any time soon with the US and its allies.

    I think the Chinese have done remarkably well everywhere. There’s talk and there’s results. The Chinaman bestrides the Earth like a giant were he not in fact a short man (on average).

    In comparison the Indian acts as a beggar. The Korean an entertainer. The Mongol and Japanese have been neutered. The white man confused and eternally dreaming. The Spaniard a lovable nobody. Only the Jew can claim being an equal, but the Jew is few.

    • Replies: @littlereddot
  217. Miro23 says:
    @Deep Thought

    Realistically these questions are resolved by power and numbers.

    For example US Jews are not very numerous (about 2% of the US population), but they already hold a lot of power and want more. The question then is then whether they can leverage their existing power to take absolute power – or whether the majority previous power holders (more numerous Anglos Americans ) can organize and expel them.

    Alternatively, both sides reach an uneasy truce, but it does depend on them accepting a non-optimal position and sharing power.

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
  218. @Miro23

    1) I am not sure if the Jews are really THAT powerful in the US.

    2) If they were, how and why they managed to become that powerful in the first place?

    • Replies: @Miro23
  219. Al Ross says:
    @Ghali

    First and second sentences represent sensible policy . Just wait until the rapid decline of the US reaches its end and Singapore will be pro – China faster than you can say Thugee or Suttee.

    • Replies: @sher singh
  220. Miro23 says:
    @Deep Thought

    1) I am not sure if the Jews are really THAT powerful in the US.

    2) If they were, how and why they managed to become that powerful in the first place?

    They own Congress and the media so the anser to 1) is Yes they are.

    2) By agressively seeking positions of power for ethnic Jews and leveraging those positions (appointing ethnic Jews). For example, the top positions in the Biden administation are held by Jews (only 2% of the US population).

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
  221. @Miro23

    Why the Jews don’t seem to be able to do the same in Europe?

    There are Jews in China too. Why are they not running the CCP?

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  222. @anon

    Thanks for the very good video.

    As for Kishore, methinks he would easily be elected president of Singapore if he chooses to run.

    China’s soft power is solely lacking compared to its military and economic power. China has done a relatively good job with the Global south, but I don’t think it will make strides any time soon with the US and its allies.

    Very true. It is compounded by the fact that it is not a Chinese cultural trait to preach to others to follow it. They would much rather have the value of their deeds be seen, rather than to preach them with mere words.

    Also, the collective West is in the process of grieving their loss of global preeminence.
    In the Kluber Ross model: denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance

    The collective West appears to be in the first two stages now.

    • Replies: @Al Ross
  223. @Hacienda

    The Chinaman bestrides the Earth like a giant were he not in fact a short man (on average)

    That is because most people in the world have been in contact with the Southern Chinese who are shorter than northerners.

    The basketballer Yao Ming is from the north. The northerners are known to be bigger, taller, hairier and of lighter skin tone.

    • Replies: @Hacienda
  224. @Deep Thought

    Did they reside in modern day Xinjiang BEFORE the Xiongnu tribes, or were they ancestors of the Xiongnu

    My question also.

    If they were originally from Tocharia, then were the whites immigrants to Europe too? LOL
    If they were originally from Europe, then they were invaders of Tocharia? LOL

    This argument of these White Power yanks that “USA belongs to whites, everybody else get out” is really like a pre-schooler selfishness. Why can’t they learn to share?

    • Agree: Deep Thought
    • Replies: @Al Ross
    , @jeff stryker
  225. @Deep Thought

    ad 1) Oh, but they are running Europe; it´s just that the
    preemptive obedience of the goyim is more reliable than what a Jew might do
    (being somewhat immune from charges of anti-semitism; remember
    Kreisky smooching with Arafat?)

    ad 2) They do not look like Chinese i.e. like Chinese expats elsewhere they stick out,
    making “anti-semites” jobless.

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
  226. Al Ross says:
    @littlereddot

    Singapore Presidents are not elected.

    Singapore has a religiously garbed Muslim woman in that appointed position.

    Singaporeans stand and salute a flag with Islamic religious markings.

    • Replies: @littlereddot
  227. Al Ross says:
    @littlereddot

    Yeah , you are correct.

    Let’s all emulate the Jews and take back our land of 2000 years ago.

  228. @nokangaroos

    1) I was in England for 14 years. I did not feel much of a presence of Jews in that society although there must some areas of the economy that were under their influence. The IRA, the Blacks, Muslims and even the Indians got much more attention than the Jews there as far as I could tell.

    2) Just find a few pictures of Kaifeng Jews. They look almost like Han to me!

    https://www.google.com/search?q=kaifeng+jews&oq=kaifeng+jews&aqs=chrome..69i57.7801j0j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

  229. @littlereddot

    DOT

    But it is okay what Fukien Chinese did in Taiwan killing all the Austronesian natives & raping the Dutch women in colonial times?

    That is how most Chinese in Singapore feel about Indians.

    Some Chinese believe that the old “Five Eyes” are intentionally manipulating the immigration laws of Singapore to allow more Indians in just to make Yank-hating Chinese.

    Besides…you have never lived in the USA, although I have lived in Asia. You know only what you have seen on old films & reruns of US television series which is why you mention the native americanss as you picture Americans to be cowboys who wear hats & walk with a swagger.

  230. Truth says:
    @jeff stryker

    But it is okay what Fukien Chinese did in Taiwan killing all the Austronesian natives & raping the Dutch women in colonial times?

    I agree with you Stryke, but do you have to profane our brothers from the east?

  231. @Deep Thought

    And then, of course, the mestizo Spanish/Indian majority of Mexico’s population (and of course the small minority of Mexico that is all/nearly-all-European genetically) would have to, what, move “back” to Spain?

    Then, to be consistent, “native” Americans aka Indians would have to leave the USA and Canada and go back to Asia, from whence they came. Right?

    Maybe half of the “evil” Spanish/indian mestizos should go to Spain and the other half back to Asia?

    Or is it only white people who have to give up land that their ancestors fought to settle / cultivate / improve / take from some other people?

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
  232. @jeff stryker

    Just a quibble: “expats” include people living in a country on a shorter-term tourist visa or temporary-residence visa (sometimes now a special “digital nomad” visa). But “expats” also includes people who have legal permanent resident status in their new country, and they have substantial political and economic rights, sometimes almost the same as a citizen.

  233. sher singh says:
    @Al Ross

    https://www.indiafacts.org.in/sati-atrocity-narrative-civilizing-mission/

    Shut up christcuck.

  234. @RadicalCenter

    You should tell that to Anus whom I replied to.

  235. @jeff stryker

    “But it is okay what Fukien Chinese did in Taiwan killing all the Austronesian natives & raping the Dutch women in colonial times?”

    You sure you aren’t confusing them with Japanese??? Plenty of Austronesians were still there… The Chinese emperors had no grouse with them. The Fukien immigrants didn’t kill of the natives… They simply outbred them (besides where did you think the natives originally got to the island from?). Their grouse (which is why they formally incorporated Taiwan) was European imperialism and Japanese pirates. And when the Japanese eventually took the island the Han and natives put up resistance and were put down by Japan.

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
  236. NiceNūr says:
    @Malla

    Cease and desist from defaming Sikh Quom.
    Cultural and physical genocide is illegal per Geneva conventions and dharmik law.
    Clarification:
    There is such a thing as •rehat maryada•: Sikh Law rooted in primordial Unadulterated Law of Manu, foundation of every legal system on Earth.
    Manu: primal lawgiver to Man
    MilkVeggie forever ♾
    OTWhat kind of gender nonbinary name is malla anyway eww
    Very much on topic:
    Sikh is Religion not racial demarcation.

    • Replies: @Malla
  237. NiceNūr says:
    @Malla

    There is such a thing as rehat maryada: stop defaming Sikh panth.
    Also Sikh is religion and not a racial group.
    Geneva conventions forbid cultural and physical genocide as does unadulterated Aryan law of Manu which is foundation of RehatMaryada.
    — what kind of gender nonbinary moniker is malla lulz

    I know for a fact Sikh have no association with kalleyPilley.

    Natalist AryaSaka MilkVeggie forever
    ♾🌷🐝 🌾🐺🥭🍼♾

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
  238. @showmethereal

    The whites call that “projection.” They project what they have done in North America, Australia, etc onto the Chinese. When there were killings, it were almost always the Chinese who were killed by the natives– as in the Indonesian massacre in which the murrikunts were involved.

    http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/southeast-asia/article/2115854/declassified-embassy-files-detail-us-support-indonesias

  239. @Deep Thought

    The USA in 98 did not give a rat’s butt over Indonesia or the relationship of the Chinese market-dominant-minority syndicate.

    That was just their banker’s kleptomania of stealing Indonesia savings & running to Singapore which had less legal obligations to stolen or laundered money than to teens scratching automobiles.

    …Among other issues. Of course the Chinese posters here will say it was all IQ envy. And that could very well have been a factor.

    I don’t disagree the whites taught China some bad habits.

    They certainly learned from the Opium Wars: they have flooded Philippines with so much “Shabu” (Meth) that the country is a ravaged semi-narco economy & caused a drug war.

    Again, the Chinese government will execute Canadians for a pound of marijuana but somehow Triads can flood the world with tonnage of meth, Fenatyl, Spice etc.

  240. Malla says:
    @showmethereal

    Yes. I meant modern education. Christianity indirectly. Most of the best schools in India are Catholic convent schools and the Christian (Catholics+Protestants+ a few Orthodox) Indians & Anglo-Indian community have played a, bigger than their population, role in education in India. South India had greater missionary activity and conversion and overall had a head start in education including female education and lower caste/tribal education. Same with the North East of India. My state of UP and Bihar belong to the backward cow-belt of India, full of backward hicks and thags. Interestingly this was the core of ancient Puranic gangetic Civilization in the past. In our area, educated guys would be kidnapped by some unmarried girl’s thug relatives and forced to marry the girl at gunpoint. LOL. My far away related Uncle was abducted to be married off to some girl without his will, he escaped off from the toilet window. LOL.
    I am not anti-Islamic myself like Hindutvas but repeated Islamic invasions and destructions have changed North Indian character a lot and made us more thuggish. Entire populations of Hindus becoming bandits to survive during early Islamic rule, the Arab traveller Ibn Battuta (who was now a Government official in the Delhi sultanate) on his journey to China (to the Indian coast to go to China on official visit) was captured by such Hindu bandits (who had lost everything because of Muslim invader persecution) and stripped off everything. That is why Sir Chirol writes that Hinduism in South India is less militant than in North India and anti-British revolutionary activities was far less. Also South Indians wee more interested in emancipation of lower castes rather than anti-British revolutions, there was more anti-Brahmanism there than anti-Britishism. And the Indian Independence movement against the British was highly influenced by both Marxism and Hindu fundamentalism, though the Indian National Congress were mild and more secular compared to far right Hindus in power today as well as mild Socialists compared to hard core Indian Communists.
    Also as Sir Chirol describes, South Indians are a bit more genteel because of their climate. If you want to understand the Indian subcontinent, the best way is to read the books of British officers in India, they were on point. Extremely accurate, unbiased understanding of this complicated land.
    South India leads in HDI compared to cow belt regions of North India but the difference is not that big by international standards, only Indian standards. It is not Switzerland Vs Zambia gap, more like Lebanon Vs Yemen gap.

  241. Malla says:
    @littlereddot

    I am definitely dealing with a certified idiot. You misunderstood what I wrote. Of course nobody in his senses would move to India from Singapore (and even if he wanted, the Indian Government would never give citizenship easily to someone of foreign ancestry). What I meant is that India itself is filled with psychotic Wumao types, 100s of millions and we do not need more. Most of them have not made their way to Unz till now fortunately, we have a lot of psychotic Chinese Wumao types here, but no Indian wumao types except Mehool who is an old uncle type so is not very articulate. You Chinese Wumaos are mild stuff, what in India we call “kaccha maal”. I have been fighting Indian Wumaos for a long time, many a times defending China. Indian nationalists (including Hindus, Sikhs, Christians, Muslims) are all the same “evil West, evil British, evil Chinese, evil Pakistan” be conspiring 24/7 to keep us down, Fight for Motherland etc…. Then you have the more pscyotic Hindu nationalists who have the same mantra of blame west, blame China etc… but also consider the Christian/Muslim Indian Nationalists as potential traitors and “not really Indians”. LOL.
    Nobody does Nationalism like us Indians, the only people are more psycho nationalist than us are ….Turks. Till now Turkish nationalist psychos and Indian Nationalists psychos kind off left each other alone even if they came across each other on the internet. It was an uncomfortable truce, no beef with each other. Except until Erdogan the crackpot Sultan decided to get involved on the Kashmir issue on Pakistan’s side and nothing excites swarms of psychotic Nationalist Indian Wumaos than the topic of Kashmir. I have seen massive clashes in between Indian and Turkish nationalists, clash of Titans on youtube. Chinese Wumaos are mild stuff. Bet we do not need more psychotic Wumaos. We have loads of them.

  242. @Al Ross

    I have no problems with muslim garbed women or muslim symbols on the flag. It is what it is.

  243. @jeff stryker

    Ohhh, you are really butthurt aren’t you?

    Digging up nitty gritty to throw at Fukien Chinese.

    Tell you a secret…..they don’t care. Especially since the Austronesians are forming up long lines in order to become maids in the yellow countries.

    Besides…you have never lived in the USA, although I have lived in Asia. You know only what you have seen on old films & reruns of US television series which is why you mention the native americanss as you picture Americans to be cowboys who wear hats & walk with a swagger.

    LOL, you really have no clue….the first time I went to the USA was to inspect the 40 acres of land that I bought there. I could not believe that a country would allow land to be sold a foreigner no questions asked. So I bought it as an amusement. The following year I went to check it out. I also did a 3 month road trip across the country just for the fun of it.

    Beautiful natural scenery. But I was thoroughly disappointed by the the rest. Hollywood? Rodeo Drive? Times Square….gosh, yankee films make it look so glamorous. The real thing is …. so blah.

    The thing that really struck me was the numbers of homeless on the streets. You have been to Asia, you have not seen the same numbers of homeless in Asian cities. Misery and hopelessness everywhere. I felt alot of pity for the people. Funny thing is, that people living in tents on the streets, still had little stars and stripes flags displayed on their shopping carts. LOL…that is Yankees for you.

    This is why I do not live in the USA. It is rapidly approaching shithole status.

    That is how most Chinese in Singapore feel about Indians.

    More projecting on your part. It is so sad to see everything in racial terms. But I suppose that is what Yanks have been conditioned to do.

    Here is interesting thing that happened on one of my trips to the US. I was attending a party and people were just chatting. I made a joke of myself being yellow. This is perfectly fine in Singapore, people are easy going about things like that. But in the party at the USA, absolutely AAAALLLLLLLLL the white people just went aghast. There was silence and everybody turned a whiter shade of pale. LOL what has become of you guys? Your society has become mad with PCness. Have you not heard that Whom the Gods would destroy, they first make mad?

    Ohhhhh Jeff Stryker,

    I love you soooooooo muuuuuuucccchhh.

    From the quality (or lack of) of your arguments, everyday you show me why America has already lost to China.

    I thought I had lost my daily dose of entertainment by Trump. Now I have found you!!!!!

    MAGA !!!!!!!!!
    LMAO !!!!!!!!!

  244. @Deep Thought

    Totally true. There is so much projection by this guy it is quite amusing. You actually get a window into how he thinks……LOL

  245. Malla says:
    @ivan

    In Pakistan Ziaul Haq in particular weaponised the Koran to beat down the minorities and those liberals who read the Dawn.

    Yes, before Zia, Pakistan’s leaders were England educated and Pakistan was doing extremely well economically compared to our Socialist Lanskian Nehruvian India. Pakistan was Capitalist and allied to the USA, lots of American investments there in those days, Pakistan was supposed to leave big burly India in the dust. But Zia’s Islamism destroyed all that. Also During British Raj, Hindu upper castes dominated the running of the Government as Muslims were averse to Western education in those days, India got British Raj Government system intact, while Pakistan got a truncated state. that is why Indian institutions we got from the British days was more stronger and stable, Pakistan became a tin pot state with constant army coups. But not for long.
    India also saw more land reforms (Vinobha Bhave’s Bhoodan movement), more is needed but far better than Pakistan, full of powerful feudal LandLord elites. Pakistan has turned into (reverted back to) modern version of pre-British Era, Mughal India where the wealth is concentrated in the hands of aristocratic elites, a palace economy. Not very good for the modern world.
    But now RSS will destroy India too. India may even rip apart. Sometimes I wonder about the wisdom of Confucianism and its aversion to extreme religiosity. We Indians should have imported Confucianism from the east. We already have a “Middle Kingdom” arrogant mindset, even more then the Chinese. But maybe we would not have had such religious fanatism. But we South Asians have a bit of a different mentality than the more practical Easterners.

    • Replies: @ivan
  246. Malla says:
    @ivan

    India is in no position to fight a sustained war against a determined enemy like the China-Pak combine. Chicoms have made their calculations.

    The Chinese are a very cunning race and the PRC deep State is very cunning too. It is Communist after all. But the Indian Deep State is cunning too. Both India and China are old civilizations, sedentary agricultural populations, always afraid of conquests of their rich agricultural lands. Both nations have come up with cunning strategies to deal with more war like invaders as well as civil wars with each other. Both will use old cunning strategies against each other LOL.
    Sure India faces a two front war (Sino-Pak) but it is banking on China having a two front war too. That is what the QUAD alliance is all about for the Indian deep state. India is banking on China facing a Eastern war with other members of the QUAD, so that it will have to divide its military so that India can move in. It is building military alliances with Vietnam. It is building strong relations with Japan (the auld Ally) against China (the auld Enemy). You may not do this but Indian Nationalists are fighting their war for their motherland, online. Indian Nationalists who know other languages like German, French, Russian, Japanese etc.. are going on their forums to influence them against China and bringing them on India’s side. Even Mehool had mentioned the same about Indians who know to write Japanese “building relations” with the Japanese for their motherland, influencing Japanese people to be more pro-India. I suspected our Mehool uncle is something of the same kind. Indian Nationalists have baffled the British in the past, ran circles around them, they may run circles around the Chinese too. You know we Indians are very cunning, sure Chinese are cunning too. Indians are in powerful position in the American, Canadian and British Governments too. You think they will not influence those countries on India’s side against China? of course they will. And this is interesting.
    Isao Abe, ex-Prime Minister Shinzo Abe’s cousin, of the politically powerful Abe clan of Japan, is married to an Indian woman. Cardiovascular surgeon Kalpana Abe.
    https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/how-an-indian-married-into-japans-first-family-is-changing-the-india-japan-and-the-us-trilateral/articleshow/61705621.cms
    How an Indian, married into Japan’s first family, is changing the India, Japan and the US trilateral
    Kalpana Abe is a key member in the India-Japan Global Partnership (IJGP) to Africa and and according to her “presents an alternative model of development that doesn’t “exploit but empowers” the people.” Ahem… directed at China. She will influence her Japanese husband’s Nationalist clan and contribute in making Japan’s position towards China even more bellicose which is in India’s interest. Indian women have risen, Jewess-like, to powerful positions in the USA and UK, maybe Japan is next. India’s Supreme Leader, Modi must be dancing an Indian jig. LOL

    • Replies: @ivan
  247. @jeff stryker

    The USA in 98 did not give a rat’s butt over Indonesia or the relationship of the Chinese market-dominant-minority syndicate.

    Then you are required to offer your arse for the crimes you committed in the 1960’s.

    Again, the Chinese government will execute Canadians for a pound of marijuana but somehow Triads can flood the world with tonnage of meth, Fenatyl, Spice etc.

    Pay-back time. F**k yourselves for it:

    https://www.economist.com/china/2018/12/15/the-west-once-flooded-china-with-opium-china-is-returning-the-favour

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
    , @Malla
    , @Malla
  248. Anonymous[310] • Disclaimer says:

    Geneva conventions forbid cultural and physical genocide as does unadulterated Aryan law of Manu which is foundation of RehatMaryada.

    Oh, the ancient laws of sage Manu of not mixing races and castes and jaatis?
    Then why are Sikhis and desis marrying dirty mleccha foreigners? Some are marrying dirty Goras, some dirty chinkis, some to dirty Arabi and some even to the dirtiest of all, Kalus!!! Where has Manu dharma fallen?

  249. @Deep Thought

    I’m confused, are you referring to the Sukarno & Suharto 1965 events?

    Chinese-Indonesians are mercantile, they wanted Suharto’s anti-Communism as bad as the CIA.

    One of the reason the Chinese in Indonesia were massacred was because they backed Suharto.

    Filipinos were not involved in the Opium Wars & the Philippines drug war fueled by Chinese cartels is the worst in Asia.

    You are incoherent…

  250. Malla says:
    @Deep Thought

    https://www.economist.com/china/2018/12/15/the-west-once-flooded-china-with-opium-china-is-returning-the-favour

    This is fake history, Opium was being grown in China at that time. The British and Indians just supplied a demand. There was no push to increase Opium consumption in China.

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
  251. Malla says:
    @boy1988

    Nope, including a lot of Chinese babes.

    • Replies: @boy1988
  252. boy1988 says:
    @jeff stryker

    Well the Chinese(PRC) government is ruthless when it comes to enforcing the laws to deter crime.Not just regarding narcotics.By the way the sentence regarding drug trafficking is way more lenient in Hong Kong and Taiwan compared to some south East Asian countries and yet they don’t have any drug problems.Meanwhile drug abuse is rampant in Thailand ,Myanmar and the Philippines .Malaysia ,Indonesia seemed to have less problems with drug crazed criminals but certainly lots of incest,rape and other sexual related crimes.Heck even Taiwanese triads have drug business in the Philippines.As for Singapore I believe the main reason why drug penalties is very harsh is to protect the Malays from drug abuse.Those Chinaman wouldn’t want some drug crazed criminal to roam the street just like in the Philippines or Thailand.Also Malays are the main users of drugs in Singapore due their low iq.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  253. boy1988 says:
    @jeff stryker

    No doubt that Chinese are merchants in Indonesia . Actually most of the Chinese during the 50s are pro Sukarno.During his era Chinese writings and display of culture was allowed.Also many shops have signboards with Chinese characters on it.Sukarno was staunchly anti American and pro Soviet and his party was infiltrated with commies.Also during his reign PKI(partai komunis Indonesia was active ).For some weird reason many Chinamen were sympathetic to communism during that era.In Malaysia we even have insurgency perpetrated by the communist whos members are 80percent Chinese.Maybe they regard emperor Mao is as their leaders .Who knows why.Suharto the second president managed grab power from Sukarno and he purged many communist members.The Chinese were made second class citizens .Chinese schools were closed,Chinese display of culture like lunar new year celebration ,Chinese characters were banned.chinese were made to use Indonesian sounding names.Suharto was supported and given blessings to do so under the supervision of the CIA.in fact East Timor was annexed during his rule and genocide went on in Papua during his reign.

  254. @Malla

    This is fake history, Opium was being grown in China at that time.

    The Chinese did NOT invent fentany, etc…:

    Fentanyl was first made by Paul Janssen in 1960 and approved for medical use in the United States in 1968.[3][9]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fentanyl

    The British and Indians just supplied a demand. There was no push to increase Opium consumption in China.

    The Chinese drug makers and traders “just supply a demand” too. The Chinese do NOT have the power to force the white Westerners to consume such drugs– there are NO Chinese gunboats running around in the West!

    Mallie, you are losing your edge as a 10-ru-pee-r!!!

    • Replies: @Malla
  255. Malla says:
    @NiceNūr

    Sikh is Religion not racial demarcation.
    I know for a fact Sikh have no association with kalleyPilley.

    Wow how raceeest!!! You say Sikhs are not a race and then you say Sikhs want nothing to do with Kalleypilley or dark Tamils?? Are you on ganja?

    OTWhat kind of gender nonbinary name is malla anyway

    Your name “NiceNūr” sounds the perfect name for a call-girl escort. Nice Nur-Jahan. I respect your profession, I am not judgemental.

  256. @jeff stryker

    One of the reason the Chinese in Indonesia were massacred was because they backed Suharto.

    It was Suharto‘s thugs who perpetrated the massacre:

    The documents specifically mention mass killings ordered by Suharto,…

    http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/southeast-asia/article/2115854/declassified-embassy-files-detail-us-support-indonesias

    Filipinos were not involved in the Opium Wars & the Philippines drug war fueled by Chinese cartels is the worst in Asia.

    The Philippines police killed Chinese drug traffickers:

    https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/philippines-narcotics-09072021170647.html

    Unlike the white West the Chinese government did not cry murder at, NOR start a Fentanyl/Methamphetamine War against, the Philippines. The Chinese government regards that these Chinese traffickers deserved what they got.

    • Disagree: littlereddot
  257. Malla says:
    @Deep Thought

    some years ago that Mahathir was still unhappy about the Malays’ inability to run the Malaysian economy without the hands of the ethnic Chinese

    Most populations on Earth are themselves racists but screech and scream like the bitches when they themselves “face racism”. You guys are the same. Malays need Chinese, that is racees.
    And similarly without Anglos/Whites going to Australia, Australia full of Abos would have been as developed as Papua New Guinea, it would be desert Papua. Without Anglo/ Whites going to North America or New Zealand, a Native American/Maori North America/NZ would be as developed as a Peru or Guatemala. When Rhodesia was run by Anglos it was a superb place for all now it is shithole, thanks to Chinese Chicom client Mugape. Apartheid South Africa was a functioning first world state, now under Commie ANC (supported by Chicoms), it is going to shit. Without these Anglo created first World places, where would your CCP members/ officers hide their wealth? Would they CCP princes buy property in Port Moresby in Papua New Guinea like they buy property in Vancouver, Melbourne and Auckland? The CCP should consider this.

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
  258. Malla says:
    @NiceNūr

    And BTW asshole, all Tamils are not dark-skinned Australian Aboriginal looking(nothing wrong with being dark skinend), Tamils like other Indians are a mix of races. What about Jayalalitha? Is she dark skinned?
    This woman below is a Tamil brahmin.

    The guy is North Indian Hindu but the woman is Tamil, native of the Southernmost part of India.

    • Replies: @boy1988
    , @Al Ross
  259. Malla says:
    @Deep Thought

    Mallie, you are losing your edge as a 10-ru-pee-r!!

    I am dealing with shekels now. Why not deal with Israel and supply them drugs? Since the Jewish Sassoon family was the biggest kingpin in that Opium trade with China. But CCP needs Jewish Wall Street bankers. So CCP not touch them. LOL.

    And since the USA is a multi-racial country now, a lot of Hispanics, Blacks, native Americans as well as Asians are now getting hooked to Chinese created drugs. So how is that revenge? USA is not all full of Anglos, you know.

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
  260. Malla says:
    @NiceNūr

    I know for a fact Sikh have no association with kalleyPilley.

    Oh my wrong, I misunderstood kaleypiley as Kaley Pillai which I thought Tamil as Pillai is a common Tamil surname, black Pillai. But what you meant Black-Yellow. Kaley- Blacks, Pilley- yellow i,.e. North East Asians. Sikhs do not want anything to do with or do not like associating with Negroes and chinks. That is what you meant. Sorry for my misunderstanding.

    • Replies: @NiceNūr
  261. Anon06 says:
    @Priss Factor

    The answer is a Theocracy. Its 3 main pillars being: monotheistic principles, patriarchy, & meritocracy. That’s the only long term solution.

  262. @Malla

    Most populations on Earth are themselves racists but screech and scream like the bitches when they themselves “face racism”. You guys are the same. Malays need Chinese, that is racees.

    You have to tell Mahathir that.

    Not that I deny there IS racism by the Chinese, but the Malays are KNOWN to be extremely layback while the Chinese (and the Indians, and many whites too) work 10 times as hard. Now, those who work 10 times harder naturally become more successful and are capable of building a flourishing economy. Is working hard in order to become successful RACIST??!!

    You are very good at playing with words, Mallie but not at all strong at reasoning logically!

    • Replies: @Malla
  263. Malla says:
    @Deep Thought

    but the Malays are KNOWN to be extremely layback while the Chinese (and the Indians, and many whites too) work 10 times as hard.

    And Blacks are KNOWN to be more crime-prone and lazy (exception with Nigerians in case of lazyness). Admitting this fact is considered racism now a days. So why is it different for Malays?

    You are very good at playing with words, Mallie but not at all strong at reasoning logically!

    I disagree. Exact opposite.

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
    , @nebulafox
  264. @Malla

    Why not deal with Israel and supply them drugs? Since the Jewish Sassoon family was the biggest kingpin in that Opium trade with China.

    “Jewish Sassoon family was the biggest kingpin in that Opium trade with China” but how do you know that some Chinese drug trafficking families have not already trafficked drugs to Israel?!!! Maybe, the Israeli government is doing its job of protecting its own citizens– a responsibility that the murrikan regime abandons?

    But CCP needs Jewish Wall Street bankers. So CCP not touch them. LOL.

    30 years ago, China DID need Western bankers, industrialists, etc. Still, it was the overseas Chinese who first came to help and helped the most! Give me evidence that TODAY’s China is so poor that it can’t do without foreign money!

    And since the USA is a multi-racial country now, a lot of Hispanics, Blacks, native Americans as well as Asians are now getting hooked to Chinese created drugs. So how is that revenge? USA is not all full of Anglos, you know.

    Mallie, you quoted the wrong paragraph of from my previous post. You should have quoted the following:

    The Chinese drug makers and traders “just supply a demand” too. The Chinese do NOT have the power to force the white Westerners to consume such drugs– there are NO Chinese gunboats running around in the West!

    And also see my first paragraph about the responsibility of any regime worth calling a “government”!!!

    Can you give me evidence that it is the Chinese government that pushes drugs TODAY? Although I have read that the CCP at its infancy, and was fighting for it survival, did sell drugs INSIDE China in order to raise money for its struggle.

    If it is the Chinese gangsters that are trafficking drugs to murrika, see my post 259:

    Unlike the white West the Chinese government did not cry murder at, NOR start a Fentanyl/Methamphetamine War against, the Philippines. The Chinese government regards that these Chinese traffickers deserved what they got.

    https://www.unz.com/gdurocher/lee-kuan-yew-building-and-keeping-a-nation/#comment-5096024

    China is doing its part within China. I watch CCTV which reports drugs manufacturing and trafficking by Chinese within, and out of, China. In one case an entire village in southeastern China was involved in drugs manufacturing and the government had to send an army to wipe out that evil enterprise. THAT compares favourably with the white West, which sent gunboats to BACKUP their own drug dealers!

    One more thing, in an earlier post, you said:

    The British and Indians just supplied a demand. There was no push to increase Opium consumption in China.

    I never mentioned the Indians in the game. How come you volunteered that information? Watched an episode of 20/20 not long ago. The detective nailed the murderer who said the detective had asked him about where he hid the body when, in fact, the detective had never asked that question!!! 😀

  265. Malla says:
    @Deep Thought

    Interesting. Makes things more confusing. Tocharian is related to the Italo-Celtic branch of Aryan languages and many of the Tarim Mummies wore Celtic like kilt like cloths. Especially considering they were a centum Aryan language group (Celtic, Italic, Germanic) among Satem Aryan language groups (Indian-Iranians, Scythians). The Satem Aryan languages should’ve been the last to diverge form the original PIE (proto-Indo European) language, since all of them share a very important common innovation, namely the palatalization of fronted voiceless velar stop to all kinds of things. The Indo-Iranian, Balto-Slavic and Armenian all share this feature, where as Tocharian (like Celto-Germanic-Italic), for example, does not.

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
    , @antibeast
  266. @Deep Thought

    Yeah I frankly couldn’t understand where he got that idea…. I guess he wouldn’t know a Japanese from a Chinese… I don’t know…

  267. @jeff stryker

    The triads biggest drug dealing days was when Hong Kong was under the British…. The other triads who were the biggest drug dealers were based in Taiwan — you know the China with the US allied government….

  268. @boy1988

    Yup – Singapore and the PRC were able to greatly restrict the Chinese triads – while in Hong Kong and Taiwan they in many ways “owned the place”. Some corrupt PRC military and police did help them – but for the most part – the “golden triangle” drugs went through South East Asia into the triad hands.

  269. NiceNūr says:
    @Malla

    It’s not either or- it’s both . I think u know this.

  270. ivan says:
    @Malla

    Socialist Lanskian Nehruvian India I think you refer to the influence of Harold Laski – the famous economist at the LSE. In point of fact, both Lee Kuan Yew and Goh Keng Swee – the other man behind the economic miracle of Singapore, referred to him favourably. (GKS was in fact a junior lecturer at the LSE after the war). Socialism in my opinion is a necessary stage – clean water, good schools, universal healthcare – in the development of nations. The main problem with it, is that after one or two generations, the administrators become corrupt and lazy as they are in India. Socialism, for its sustained execution requires a higher morality from the administrators – but which everywhere is eroded in time. LKY foresaw this, which is the main reason why he undertook to pay the civil servants and ministers at a sustained higher level. In fact he derided those among his colleagues, who were opposed to this on account of their belief that one should serve not for money, but for a higher purpose as being infected with the “Long March Syndrome”. A ruthlessly pragmatic man, he saw that men will in time become more concerned with their own affairs, than with the well-being of the state. Nehru the idealist, did not prepare for that outcome.

    Until I read Salman Rushdie’s “The Moors Last Sigh”, some decades ago I did not know of the modern slavery in Pakistan under the aegis of the feudal system there. is it any wonder that those who exploit the lower classes with the “opium of religion”, Islam in Pakistan, Hinduism in India fan the flames of fanaticism for their own advantage.

    • Replies: @Malla
  271. ivan says:
    @Malla

    Yeah that’s true, the Gujjus will confuse and flummox the Chicoms. Actually it is not that difficult to play the Chinese game – say one thing and do another thing – lie and dissimulate, as taught to them by SunTze, the all-purpose village Machiavellian.

    To be fair, India does have resources of its own, the Navy for one is determined to have the SSB class of nuclear armed submarines. We are slated to have four, built as far as the all important body is concerned with Russian help.

  272. @Dr. Charles Fhandrich

    Every single human scheme that has started off with the wrong premise of what human nature is really like, has failed. ??

    Far from it! Confucius nailed it.

  273. @boy1988

    For some weird reason many Chinamen were sympathetic to communism during that era.

    The weird reason is that Communism fits very neatly into Confucianism:

    Now to have states, families, and selves is to allow each individual to maintain a sphere of selfishness. This infracts utterly the Universal Principle (gongli) and impedes progress. …Therefore, not only states should be abolished, so that there would be no more struggle between the strong and the weak; families should also be done away with, so that there would no longer be inequality of love and affection [among men]; and, finally, selfishness itself should be banished, so that goods and services would not be used for private ends. … The only [true way] is sharing the world in common by all (tienxia weigong) … To share in common is to treat each and every one alike. There should be no distinction between high and low, no discrepancy between rich and poor, no segregation of human races, no inequal- ity between sexes. … All should be educated and supported with the common property; none should depend on private possession. … This is the way of the Great Community [dàtóng] which prevailed in the Age of Universal Peace
    (From Kang Youwei’s Liyun zhu (Commentary on Liyun)

    • Replies: @Jazman
    , @littlereddot
    , @boy1988
  274. antibeast says:
    @jeff stryker

    ‘We wuz Aryanz ‘n Shiet!’

    LOL! MAGA! USA Numba One!

    • LOL: littlereddot
  275. Jazman says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Hi Godfree ,

    What is your opinion abour Sri Lanka economical crisis . Guardian blaming China https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/02/covid-crisis-sri-lanka-bankruptcy-poverty-pandemic-food-prices
    Do you have more objective info I do not trust anything coming from western MSM

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  276. @Malla

    And Blacks are KNOWN to be more crime-prone and lazy

    Did I deny that? It seems to be true for many Blacks in the lower social stratum in murrika but I can’t recall I had made any comment on this particular subject!

    Admitting this fact is considered racism now a days.

    Don’t know how admitting some people being “crime-prone and lazy” is automatically associated with racism.

    So why is it different for Malays?

    You tell me! It is YOU who equate working hard in order to progress is a form of racism!!!

  277. @Malla

    I am no expert in this field but DNA analysis gives a DIRECT tracking of human lineage.

    Language could be acquired through cultural exchanges.

    Belongings could be acquired through trading. Watched a TV program a long time ago. Archaeologists managed to find, in Central Asia, products made in East Asia, Europe and some seashells from the coasts of Southern India. They concluded that Central Asia was a centre of trade between these areas at least a couple of thousand years ago.

  278. @Jazman

    I recommend “Debt sustainability and debt management in Sri Lanka – a reflection on the applicability of Chinese policy lessons”:

    Debt and debt sustainability is a crucial factor in the process of economic development. Historical experience shows that countries tend to accumulate debt during periods of high growth. Developing countries, in particular, experience “debt traps”, where productivity does not keep pace with debt, leading to macroeconomic instability.
    China’s rapid rise in the last 70 years was fuelled by policy stability, including economic planning and implementation. Through a state-owned development banking system, the country has financed infrastructure and manufacturing. This approach has facilitated growing exports and a trade surplus, enabling the country to lift millions out of poverty and become a net creditor.
    Sri Lanka, which began at a relatively better position than China, has suffered from a lack of long-term finance for manufacturing and infrastructure. Combined with a liberal trade regime, this situation has led to balance of payments crises, currency devaluation and dependence on foreign loans.
    Policy prescriptions from multinational institutions have not had the desired effects in alleviating Sri Lanka’s debt distress. Sixteen IMF packages have led to currency devaluation, privatisation and trade liberalisation, but no sustainable growth. Meanwhile, China has forged a path independent of the IMF doctrine, achieving better results.
    Though the size and nature of the two economies are different, Sri Lanka can learn from China’s development experience. Crucial lessons include the importance of development banks, policy consistency, administrative decentralisation and a balance between long-term goals and short-term cash flow requirements.

    https://unctad.org/system/files/official-document/BRI-Project_RP16_en.pdf

    I do NOT recommend the Guardian on foreign affairs. It is hopeless.

    • Replies: @Jazman
  279. antibeast says:
    @Malla

    The Tocharians living in Xinjiang were found to be of Siberian not European origin. How they ended up speaking Tocharian is still a mystery to scientists. But the Tarim Basin mummies were found in boat-like coffins which suggest the region was home to ancient riverine trading networks. That would have allowed the Tocharians to trade with ancient Indo-Europeans in Eurasia from which they learned their Indo-European language. Once those rivers dried up, the Tocharians lost contact with the Indo-Europeans leaving behind Tocharian as a language isolate.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  280. @boy1988

    1988

    That could all be true even including Suharto thugs leading the Chinese killings in 98 in Indonesia (I don’t know why when Chinese crony capitalists supported him for 30 years).

    But I cannot understand why some nutcases blame THE FREAKING CIA for killing/raping Chinese girls in 1998 Indonesia.

    How does the USA benefit from Chinese merchants being killed in Jakarta? Why would USA tax money be spent on that?

    Makes no sense. Zero sense.

    It is pure (Ethnic) Chinese paranoia that “5 Eyes” benefited from Chinese being killed in Jakarta.

    Philippines is worse because it is half-Latinized.

    Also, the ethnic Chinese here should not celebrate the decline of the USA too much-the Austronesian cannibals might start eating Fukien bush-peddlers again. It is the USA that protects their family cartel syndicate’s butts down in SEA.

    You love Lunar Holidays in China?

    Without the USA you won’t need a passport to take them in the reeducation camps.

    • Replies: @boy1988
  281. Hacienda says:
    @littlereddot

    I’ve read that Yao’s mom and dad were “encouraged” by Chinese officials to marry as they were both very tall and basketball players. I recall seeing one game, about Yao’s third year in the NBA, where he was like 14/17 shots shooting mid-range jumpers. He couldn’t help smiling as he was running the court. I thought he would completely dominate the league. But, injuries and other factors- like he wasn’t aggressive enough with his teammates in demanding top star treatment, held him back.

    Jeremy Lin comes from short parents and both were astonished that he was so tall.

    I took a trip from LA to SF recently. I went to SF’s Chinatown. The older Chinese there were pretty tiny. The younger ones were much taller. In Solvang, with is a small town modeled on Dutch towns about 100 miles north of L.A., the tourists were almost all Indians and Chinese (I went on X-mas weekend, which is a time you can really see a lot of Chinese tourists). Clearly, the Chinese average height has grown. About a quarter were as tall or taller than me. Now I’m average height 5’9″. But in parts of L.A., I’m surprised to see I’m often the tallest in a busy store.

    It’s quite something seeing the kinda bold, -to my eyes- strident behavior of really tall Chinese woman paired with tall white man in Solvang. Then seeing the terse behavior tiny Chinese women with tiny Chinese men in SF’s Chinatown.

    • Replies: @antibeast
    , @anon
    , @littlereddot
  282. @Godfree Roberts

    The weird reason is that Communism fits very neatly into Confucianism:

    Absolutely true.

    This is why if one listens to Western MSM, one just can’t understand China. To them, the CCP destroyed Chinese culture….WTF?

    To me, the CCP/CPC has taken on the role as the latest dynasty in a long succession three thousand years long. One where legitimacy to rule is not determined by bloodline, but by competence and virtue. In a way, the present system is even more Confucian than the old monarchic succession system…LOL

  283. boy1988 says:
    @Malla

    The population of the Tamil brahmin is very small.To be honest the majority of Tamils do look aboriginal with their dark skin.They are probably if not the darkest group in India

    • Replies: @Malla
  284. @antibeast

    But there must have been a European racial element in the Tocharian population, besides its Indo-European language. Otherwise there would not be still European looking persons among the present day Uyghurs.

    For further information, see: Razib Khan, Uyghurs are Hybrids: https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/uyghurs-are-hybrids

    • Replies: @antibeast
    , @Malla
  285. boy1988 says:
    @jeff stryker

    During the 98 riots not only Suharto thugs but also anti Suharto rioters took advantage to loot and rape.The anti Suharto riot demanding him to step down was the perfect opportunity to enrich oneself with some new clothes , electronics ,some cash and of course beautiful Chinese women who wouldn’t even spread their legs for Austronesian monkeys.Also the natives are jealous of the economic control by the Chinese .By the way Suharto can’t even control his own thugs from the military and pemuda pancasila militia from the rape frenzy .It was a total chaos and the country was speculated to even balkanized.Those Chinese cronies had no other choice but to be close to Suharto for protection and ease of doing business.Besides Suharto also liked them not only for enriching his family but also their business acumen which is necessary for the nation’s economy.Those natives can’t even run a business.All south East Asian natives are the same lazy,jelaous , dishonest,low iq and their females are horny af.Not sure who blamed the CIA for those raping spree.Nah should the USA fall ,doubt those monkeys will be cannibalising some Chinaman.Its a different era now.Middle Kingdom is a powerful nation now.Those monkeys would cower

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  286. boy1988 says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Wow who would have thought that a chinaman who came up with the idiom”
    ‘A key that can open many locks is called a master key, but a lock that can be opened by many keys is a shitty lock.’” also have many of his teachings resemble communism. Now I know those chinks don’t support communism because of the erection they get from listening to glorious Mao’s speech on how China will rise in the future to become a superpower

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  287. boy1988 says:
    @Malla

    Those Chinese babes are probably hookers .I don’t see many beautiful Chinese women with Indian men whether they’re dark Tamils,handsome jatt Sikhs or friendly malayalee nair.unless Indians men regard fat Chinese aunty with unshaved pits and legs filled with cellulites as beautiful.only beautiful Austronesian will go out with Indians here .They’ll go out with anything with a big dick

  288. Malla says:
    @boy1988

    Some of them look Australian Abos but many look Abo-Euro hybrids. South Indians are Abo-Caucasoid hybrids because they have Indus Valley ancestry in them. North Indians got more doses of Caucasoid genes. Comparatively Malayali from Kerala, next door look more Caucasoid. Many are dark skinned but with sharp Caucasoid features.
    I have this Maharashtrian friend in Australia who says Euro-Abo hybrids look like South Indians/ Sri Lankans and the said hybrid, mixed with one more dose of Euro, look typical North Indian or Arab/ Middle Easterner. Wonder if there is something there.
    South Indian lower castes/ tribals have very little Steppe/Aryan ancestry which came in 1500 BC but they have Caucasoid ancestry from the Indus valley people who had moved South from todays Pakistan region. That is why Dravidian culture/language is most closest to the Indus Valley peoples. South Indian upper castes have Steppe ancestry. In North India, nearly everybody has some Steppe/Aryan ancestry (along with Indus Valley, Australoids etc…), lower castes, tribals..all. But North Indian upper castes have more steppe ancestry.
    Sri Lankan Sinhalese speak an Aryan language and they have said to originated from Bengal, which is a Aryan language speaking place but genetically Sinhalese and Tamils are very similar. The divide is language Aryan Sinhalese (in the same language family as English) and Dravidian Tamil as well as religious. More Therawada Buddhist Sinhalese vs more Hindu Tamils. Tamil kings had colonised Northern Sri Lanka (Jaffa) in the past.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
    , @boy1988
  289. @Malla

    MALLA

    Bengalis don’t look that Aryan today. They look Dravidian with Tibetan admixture.

    Anyhow, Sri Lanka began as a religious colony. Buddha’s followers went there from Bengal & Orissa, though Andaman islanders were there first.

    Anyhow, a pure Singhalese looks way different to a Tamil Nadu Sri Lankan.

    • Replies: @Malla
  290. Jazman says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Thank you very much excellent answer

  291. antibeast says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Modern Uyghurs have nothing to do with the ancient Tocharians who appeared in the Tarim Basin around 2500BCE but died out around 800CE before the Turkic Uyghurs moved into the Xinjiang region. The Western Eurasian genetics of modern-day Uyghurs could be due to inter-mixing with the Indo-Iranians such as the Sogdians, Khotanese and Kushans who dominated the region before their displacement by the mass influx of Turkic nomads after the Arab conquests. The Central Asians with the highest proportion of Indo-European steppe genes are the Yagnobis, Tajiks and Pashtuns who are widely considered to be the closest descendants of the ancient Aryans.

  292. antibeast says:
    @Hacienda

    It’s quite something seeing the kinda bold, -to my eyes- strident behavior of really tall Chinese woman paired with tall white man in Solvang. Then seeing the terse behavior tiny Chinese women with tiny Chinese men in SF’s Chinatown.

    Those tall Chinese women are from the North while the short Chinese women are from the South. The Northerners are like the Germans while the Southerners are like the Italians.

    • Replies: @Hacienda
  293. Malla says:
    @Anonymous

    t seems those countries (or at least a very significant amount of the population) is going nuts and trashing the “rule of law” tradition that Anglos left behind. I’ve heard some stuff out of Bangladesh also, but hopefully it can escape that general trend.

    Yes, this is the result of decolonising too fast before a more liberal mentality spread among the masses. For example, Western educated Indians wanted more Indianisation of the British Raj Government as they felt, since they are Western educated and shit, they should get the jobs of the Anglos. Sure, Fine, makes sense. The long term goal of the British Empire was giving India dominion status like Australia, Canada etc…and then we would be this Commonwealth family of nations. That is what Indian Independence revolutionaries wanted earlier. When this was denied, the Western educated revolutionaries cried raceees. But why was the British Raj Government of India avoiding more Indianisation and Dominion Status. Morally superior Anglos back in the UK who had not idea about realities on the ground screamed raceees too at the Colonial Anglos in India WHO KNEW the reality on the Ground.
    But anyways the reform process was initiated and there was more Indianisation of the British Raj and then all the problems was left loose. It seems the Colonial Anglos were wise in not allowing Indianisation at that point. Upper Caste Hindus soon took over all the prime spots in Government. Muslims and lower castes got scared, Earlier the Anglo Colonial Collector/officer was seen as a neutral outsider keeping balance in between all the communities. But now Muslims, lower castes etc…were seeing more upper caste Hindus acting asshole. This is EXACTLY what the colonial Anglos were trying to avoid. According to them it was too early for Indian society, liberal mentality had to spread before this happens. More the Indianisation reform movements, more Hindu Muslim riots actually increased.
    Some Hindus like upper caste Hindu social reformer Ranade and lower caste leaders like Ambedkar warned that leaving the British Empire pre-maturely would be a disaster for the subcontinent. And we are seeing it now. We are seeing the disasters now.
    I have covered his speech and his explanation of Ranade’s ideas here
    https://www.unz.com/pescobar/india-implodes-its-own-new-silk-road/?showcomments#comment-4170179
    Important snippet from Dr. Ambedkar’s speech
    ” The first thing he wanted to convey was that the conquest of India by Britain has given India the time, the opportunity, and the necessary shelter for rebuilding, renovating, and repairing her economic and social structure, to refit herself for bearing the strain of any foreign aggression when she does become free. The second thing Ranade wanted to convey was that going out of the British Empire by India before she had satisfied and solidified herself into a single nation, unified in thought, in feeling, and charged with a sense of a common destiny, was to invite chaos and disruption in the name of independence.”
    ..snip…
    ” India needs a dry dock as a shelter for the period of her refitting, and the British Empire is a dry dock for her. Who can say that Ranade was not wise in asking his countrymen to bear in mind the importance of a shelter which the British Empire can give and which India needs so much?“”
    But the problem also is that the British stupidly got involved in two World Wars which it could have avoided and after WW2, itself deteriorated via Cultural Marxism into “Cool Britannia” or fool Britannia. Hindutva and Islamic fundamentalism etc… are the INEVITABLE result of pre-mature decolonisation from the British Empire and the de-Anglification of the subcontinent so old native passions come to the fore.

  294. Malla says:
    @jeff stryker

    Bengalis don’t look that Aryan today. They look Dravidian with Tibetan admixture.

    Bengalis have more Aryan ancestry than South Indians and have a higher dose of East Asian ancestry. They got a bigger dose of East Asian ancestry compared to other mainlander Indians, an event 1500 years ago for which there are no historical records.
    But Bengalis in general do not look all that different that people of middle India and even Northern India like Bihar and UP. Basically a Caucasoid-Australoid mix race with some Mongoloid. Bengalis on average are more lighter skinned than South Indians. Again we find more Caucasoid looking people among upper caste Bengalis like Brahmins and Kayasthas.
    For example, both of them below are upper caste Bengalis.

  295. Hacienda says:
    @antibeast

    Those tall Chinese women are from the North while the short Chinese women are from the South. The Northerners are like the Germans while the Southerners are like the Italians.

    I don’t see that. Historically, culturally, or height-wise. The analogy fails.

  296. Malla says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    https://indo-european.eu/2019/07/iron-age-tocharians-of-yamna-ancestry-from-afanasievo-and-hg-r1b-m269-and-q1a1/

    Here, we report the first genome-wide data of 10 ancient individuals from northeastern Xinjiang. They are dated to around 2,200 years ago and were found at the Iron Age Shirenzigou site. We find them to be already genetically admixed between Eastern and Western Eurasians. We also find that the majority of the East Eurasian ancestry in the Shirenzigou individuals is related to northeastern Asian populations, while the West Eurasian ancestry is best presented by ∼20% to 80% Yamnaya-like ancestry. Our data thus suggest a Western Eurasian steppe origin for at least part of the ancient Xinjiang population. Our findings furthermore support a Yamnaya-related origin for the now extinct Tocharian languages in the Tarim Basin, in southern Xinjiang.

    The admixture profile is also shown on the paternal Y chromosome side that 4 out of 6 males in Shirenzigou (Figure S2) belong to the West Eurasian-specific haplogroup R1b (n = 2) and East Eurasian-specific haplogroup Q1a (n = 2), the former is predominant in ancient Yamnaya and nearly 100% in Afanasievo, different from the Middle and Late Bronze Age Steppe groups (Steppe_MLBA) such as Andronovo, [Potapovka], Srubnaya, and Sintashta whose Y chromosomal haplogroup is mainly R1a.

    https://indo-european.eu/2019/07/bronze-age-cultures-in-the-tarim-basin-and-the-elusive-proto-tocharians/
    “Both the Xiaohe and the Gumugou groups are suggested as possibly originating from southern Siberia or Central Asia and being related to Afanasievo and Andronovo people (Han 1986, 1994; Li et al. 2010, 2015). But a latest research suggest that the Xiaohe males are genetic distinct from the Afanasievo males, considering the paternal lineages (Hollard et al. 2018). From genetic evidence, it is suggested that southern Siberia and Central Asia were dominated by Europeans during the Bronze Age. Southern Siberia was predominant by Europeans since the Bronze Age as a result of eastward migration of Kurgan people (Keyser et al. 2009). Central Asia started to have an eastern Eurasian maternal lineage that coexisted with the previous western maternal lineage from around 700 BCE (Lalueza-Fox et al. 2004). Based on the research mentioned above, we can conclude as that the Xiaohe and the Gumugou people possibly came from the southern Siberia or Central Asia.”

    So I guess, Russians expanding into Siberia was history repeating itself.

  297. nebulafox says:
    @Malla

    As an on-and-off Singapore/Malaysia expat, I’ll give my take on this:

    1) The Chinese work ethic and emphasis on material success really is no joke. It. Is. No. Joke. By contrast, Malays are a lot more likely to be content with what they have in life. Islam reinforces this attitude, but I think the true core of this is the indigenous culture underneath. So at the core, you have fundamentally different cultural priorities. And as always, there’s no free lunch. Yeah, the Chinese are richer, but they are also the ones struggling to reproduce.

    2) Also, in Chinese culture, you project dissatisfaction and anger outward. In Malay culture, you project it inward and keep a placid exterior.

    3) Singaporean Malays have their problems-it’s well known that most drug addicts or people who do “outrage crimes” (like pimping your wife) are Malay and that they perform less well educationally. But in broad strokes, they function just fine in Singaporean society. Especially when lined up against their Malaysian/Indonesian counterparts, their “Singaporeanization” really does become apparent. It goes without saying there is nothing remotely approximating the levels of social dysfunction found the among the black urban underclass in the United States.

    4) In Malaysia, the Malays are the majority and are favored by active legal discrimination that hobbles Malaysia to this day. Mahathir’s intention was that this would be temporary until he “changed the culture” to make it more competitive (he came from the same Darwinian thought world as LKY did), but just ask Augustus how tinkering with the Gracchian free bread dole went… once given, not easily taken away. It took the fall of Rome in the West and the imminent Slav/Persian siege in the East to end it, over 400 and 600 years later respectively.

    Interestingly, the criminal underworld is dominated by ethnic Indians. (Though again-nothing remotely approximating the sheer degree of social rot seen in US.) They are hit by the bumi laws as much as the ethnic Chinese, but lack the resources or wealth to cope or flee. By contrast, Singaporean Indians are per capita wealthier than Singaporean Chinese. So, as always in life, there’s a heavy degree of contingency. I’ve grown increasingly skeptical of “theories of everything” as I’ve aged. It’s local, recent factors that usually dominate.

  298. nebulafox says:
    @boy1988

    That’s not true. By the 1990s, a “native” middle class had come into existence in Indonesia. Although the financial crisis reversed progress, it couldn’t turn back the clock 30 years. The existence of this new indigenous middle class was part of why Suharto’s regime collapsed in the first place. Like some other right-wing developmentarian dictatorships in Cold War era Asia, to a certain extent, it was a victim of its own success.

    By the 1990s, the New Order’s degree of authoritarianism had declined considerably. The rudimentary basics of a liberal democracy were emerging: this was a non-trivial achievement in a country as corrupt and full of potential “explosive” ingredients as Indonesia. But this was a mixed blessing. The ethnic Chinese had been, to some degree, oppressed by Suharto’s regime but they were also protected. It’s telling that the violence against ethnic Chinese (in Medan in 1994) started after the regime’s power began to creak, not before-though it should be added that the official courting of Islamic elements from the late 80s onwards added fuel to the fire.

  299. Malla says:
    @Deep Thought

    Pay-back time. F**k yourselves for it:

    I wonder what would be the modern analogy to this?
    In 1906, following many international parleys, the British Indian Government made arrangements to stop all exports of opium to China on condition that the Chinese would eradicate poppy cultivation in China. The idea was that as long as the trade was legal—it had been legalized in China in 1858—the British Indian growers were entitled to a market for their product, but that if the Chinese authorities would give evidence of a sincere desire to stop it, the British would gladly cooperate. Realization of this aim was under-taken intelligently. An abrupt cessation of opium would have brought hardship to the Indian peasants cultivating poppies, and would have introduced also a severe problem in the number of addicts in China suddenly deprived of their drug. So a ten-year reduction plan was inaugurated, by which the Chinese were to warn all smokers to begin tapering off in their consumption, and by which the Indian growers could have time to prepare for some other kind of crop. Both poppy cultivation and opium consumption were to be at an end in China in 1917, ten years from the date of the agreements going into effect.

    Sure enough, the Chinese set about the reduction of smoking and the reduction of poppy acreage. The plan went through on schedule, and in 1917, so the investigators jointly reported, not an acre of poppies could be found in all China in that year.

    At this news, the British prohibited all further exports of opium to China. But the Chinese moguls had wished above everything else to stop the competition of Indian opium, which is preferred because of its taste to that of the native crop. Thus, in 1917, having stopped their own production, they could say in substance, “Now we’ve stopped opium at home—cease your exports to us.” But after the British had passed legislation permanently prohibiting exports of opium to China, the Chinese moguls resumed opium production on a vast scale, happily free from Indian competition!

  300. nebulafox says:
    @jeff stryker

    Unlike 1998, 1965 wasn’t primarily a racial pogrom, but the Chinese did become targets in the communal violence. This was because the PKI was being backed by Beijing, and many feared they would to want to unleash their own version of the Cultural Revolution. This wasn’t an unreasonable fear (they put up billboards across Jakarta showing Westerners being gruesomely bayoneted), but rather overlooked the mercantile nature of the local ethnic Chinese. They were the kind of people who would have been paraded as capitalist roaders back in China at the time.

    Once the violence died down, their ambiguous status in the New Order took hold. Suharto was, in this as well as most other things, an overweening pragmatist. In the near total absence of a bumi technical or business class in 1965, he knew that the ethnic Chinese would have to lead the way on the initial economic development of the country. So his policy was a mixture of exploiting their talents while ensuring they toed the line and “assimilated” through policies like shutting down Chinese schools and heavily encouraging the adoption of Indonesian names.

    This was a deal most were happy to take. Suharto’s own antek, Liem Sioe Liong, became Sudono Salim. For what it is worth, I don’t get the impression that Suharto himself was personally racially prejudiced against ethnic Chinese-he always got along fine with LKY (who himself always made an effort to understand the “Javanese mentality” that was Suharto’s political MO from start to finish) and was happy for Liem to tell him Chinese inspired stories about medicine and history-but he was aware of the standard issue Javanese prejudices against them, and was not above cynically using them for his own political benefit by the 1990s. And his family was another story.

  301. nebulafox says:
    @Malla

    I suppose it depends if the Chinese would be willing to go to war to avenge the death of the dregs of their own society, as Britain did. You look at the characters behind the Opium War, they really were an unsavory lot.

    Personally, I always thought that was stupid, and would never do such a thing in power. Unless we’re talking about diplomats (who can generally be relied upon to be civilized), extraterritoriality is stupid. You are abroad in a country as a guest, you should obey the rules. I couldn’t give a damn about the fate of an American dealing drugs or raping women abroad. You play stupid games, you win stupid prizes. But I expect the same courtesy if there’s an accidental grisly end for foreign gangsters who got on the wrong side of somebody in the United States. If there’s not? Then there will be trouble. Private request will be polite but flat refusal. Public demand that has a tone I don’t like? The response would be to send the severed private parts of such people to the government who demanded it. I’m not going to feign respect for that.

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
  302. antibeast says:
    @Malla

    The reason why the British agreed to stop the Indian opium trade was because it could no longer compete against Chinese opium which reached 10x that of Indian opium by 1910. So Indian opium had to be diverted to British, French and Dutch colonies in SEA where the opium trade was not banned until after WWII. But the opium trade continued in the Golden Triangle until it moved to Afghanistan in the late 20th century, this time under CIA sponsorship. The Golden Triangle meanwhile has since changed its business model to manufacturing opioids because they’re cheaper and easier to produce after China cracked down on its opioid trade. Now all those Golden Triangle opioids are flooding into the USA, smuggled by Mexican drug lords, with more opioids factories in Latin America cashing in on the opioids epidemic ravaging the USA.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  303. @boy1988

    Can you provide the canonical source for your lock and key quote? Or are you just a racist bullshitter?

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
  304. anon[106] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hacienda

    I’ve read that Yao’s mom and dad were “encouraged” by Chinese officials to marry as they were both very tall and basketball players.

    I also read about those gossips and lies. Yao’s mom is a 6’3″ former basketball player. What is the chance of a tall woman marrying someone who is short? Both Yao’s parents are Shanghainese. ( Yao speaks Shanghainese to his parents. ) Both are tall. Both played basketball. Both ran in the same circles, trained in the same facilities, and had mutual friends. People were joking about their future kid when they got married. Somehow Yao is the result of the nefarious Chinese government’s breeding program.

    It is not unusual for tall basketball players marrying other basketball players. See Josh Giddey – youngest player in NBA history with triple-double. His Australian parents are former basketball players. See Hyun-Jung Lee – a NBA hopeful who plays for the Davison Wildcats. His Korean parents were very good basketball players in SK.

    In general, Chinese are getting taller. That is for sure.

    “Of the countries examined, China saw the largest male height increase — between 1985 and 2019, the average height of 19-year-old men in China increased by nearly 3.5 inches (9 centimeters).”

    “A study recently published by the authoritative medical journal the lancet found that the average height growth rate of children and adolescents aged 5-19 in China and South Korea was the fastest from 1985 to 2019.

    At present, the average height of 19-year-old men and women in China is 175.7 cm and 163.5 cm respectively, which is higher than that of men 175.5 cm and women 163.2 cm in South Korea, ranking first in East Asia.”

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31859-6/fulltext#sec1

    https://firstxw.com/view/273911.html

    There is a big regional difference in height too.

    At 1:18, this white guy is describing how he felt when he was in the North vs in the South(Hainan).

    At 0:55, this 5’5″ Indian woman is describing what she sees in Shanghai.

    • Replies: @Hacienda
  305. Al Ross says:
    @Malla

    No such thing as a Tamil Brahmin in DNA terms. Just Tamil speaking ones whose forebears moved South.

  306. antibeast says:
    @antibeast

    Correction: Chinese opium production peaked in 1906, the year the Qing Dynasty struck an agreement with the British to ban opium production in China, as shown in the graph below:

    The reason why the British agreed to the ban was to stop Chinese opium from competing with Indian opium in SEA. While the Qing Dynasty did succeed in curtailing Chinese opium production which dropped significantly by 1911, the KMT gangster-capitalists who took over China resumed opium production during the Republican Era. Only after the CCP took over China did opium production cease permanently. That’s when opium production shifted to the Golden Triangle in SEA.

  307. @nebulafox

    You are abroad in a country as a guest, you should obey the rules. I couldn’t give a damn about the fate of an American dealing drugs or raping women abroad. You play stupid games, you win stupid prizes. But I expect the same courtesy if there’s an accidental grisly end for foreign gangsters who got on the wrong side of somebody in the United States.

    You are waste your breath with Mallie. He is one who believes that whiteman– especially the Anglo type– is always right! Therefore, one way you could change Mallie is to change the US first. Remember the case when the US dipped it hands in when Singapore wanted to cane an young murrikan for mischief? The Mallie tail will follow its the 5-eye dog.

  308. @Godfree Roberts

    Can you provide the canonical source for your lock and key quote? Or are you just a racist bullshitter?

    I am a Chinese and grew up in a native Chinese society. I have NEVER heard such a quote!

  309. Hacienda says:
    @anon

    That’s awesome video. The Chinese girls are gorgeous. Lithe, and floating.

    Leave the (screaming) West behind. Jeez.

    • Replies: @Marshal Marlow
  310. @nebulafox

    1. The Chinese in SEA are Fukien or from Guangdong Province as oppose to Cantonese who are more laid-back, or Northern Chinese, who have a reputation as tough hard-drinkers.

    At any rate, the reason for their success was that they filled a niche & also that they intermarry creating family cartels.

    Are Chinese hardworking? Sure, but so are poor Filipinos.

    Are Fukien good employees? No, they tend to be sullen when subordinate & cold dictators as bosses.

    In SEA they are simply cold & ruthless. The only reason Malaysia & Singapore are more pleasant is because there are so many Chinese that they have to share the pie as it is majority-Chinese but in countries like Indonesia or Philippines where the Southern Chinese can hide in subdivisions they are indifferent & work to create government indifference to maximize their profits.

    Mostly though, they have no ethics, though they will be scrupulous in dealings with other ethnic Chinese: the drug war in the Philippines is a vertically-integrated result of Chinese cartels.

    NB Some ethnic Chinese formed Communist movements which gave other Chinese an excuse to bribe the government into banning unions or guilds so the Malays work for peanuts & cannot protest.

    2) True, we see some Chinpouts here though why they come to a white views blog commentary & expect anything else, who knows? It is like going to an X rated movie & complaining you saw a penis. I know who the ethnic Southern Chinese here are due to their outbursts. Overall, and I have been a businessman in SEA from time to time, they are insubordinate & sullen employees. Effective bosses, though tyrannical.

    However, the sudden alcohol-influenced crimes of “amok” are Malay. Malays have a bad reaction to alcohol & their behavior under-the-influence can be uncontrollable. The ethnic Chinese who is angry will usually steal something from his employee at the end of his contract rather than getting drunk & being violent.

    3) Ethnic Chinese are more likely to be gambling addicts. Partly out of religion & a belief in moral character. Malays are more prone to addiction. That is why the Chinese created a drug war in the Philippines. Ethnic Chinese like heroin just as ghetto blacks prefer crack over meth but for Malays sadly Meth is their drug of choice. Meth is highly addictive & Malays are prone to addictive behavior anyhow such as alcoholism which means that once on Ice or Yabba aka Meth aka Shabu all of the internet bad qualities of the Malay character emerge: sexual deviance & mania; kleptomania, dishonesty; sadism & plain craziness emerge. The Meth brings it out, which is why the Philippine government tried to stamp out meth use. Chinese are inclined to Opiates & Chinese addicts are either asleep or sick while the Malay Methamphetamine addict can become a supercharged crime machine.

    I’ve also theorized that Islam suppresses the worse characteristics among Malays-alcoholism, promiscuity, prostitution, lying, stealing etc.-while Spanish brought it out in the Philippines.

    NB Philippine is worse because of the Spanish-Mexican genes.

    4) The Tamil gangs of Malaysia are fearsome with machetes in a pack on the street but would not last 2 minutes against the Triads in the Philippines. It is like comparing Bloods to the Italian mafia. The latter are smarter & better able to bribe corrupt authorities. Occasionally, Indians have tried to enter the Philippines meth game & get busted fast. However, there is Chinese Triad activity in Malaysia especially car thieves who steal cars & ship them to the Philippines. This is a huge business. The Tamil gangs of the streets of Kuala Lumpur would not last a minute in the Philippines & in Singapore which was always a tough-on-crime soft dictatorship they would be locked up. Also, Malaysia takes a tough stance on drugs so Chinese or Malays or whites or whoever do not want to fight with machetes over gutter crumbs in Kuala Lumpur back alleys. Also, with no Bumi laws than riots like 1969 would happen or the 1998 riots.

    • Thanks: nokangaroos
  311. @Hacienda

    Its also a generational thing.

    It is a biological survival mechanism that when generations experience trauma such as famine and war, children born to those generations tend to be smaller.

    Plus nutrition also plays a part. As the East Asian nations improve economically, their kids are getting taller and taller. My nephews are all much taller than I.

    In European context one can get a hint of this effect when examing armour of the middle ages. One finds that the average height of a northern European man was about 165 to 170 cm then.

    • Replies: @Hacienda
  312. @nebulafox

    My compliments to you. This is an excellent comment with astute, fair and accurate observations.

    Jeff Stryker, if you are reading this, you could learn a thing or two from this gentleman. Instead of shooting off your mouth trying to impress with superficial and misunderstood bits of data.

    • Thanks: nebulafox
  313. @jeff stryker

    Gosh, you really don’t realise that you appear as a preschooler trying to lecture a college professor.

    It is a case of a fool not knowing when to shut up, but keeps showing how stupid he is by continuing to argue.

  314. boy1988 says:
    @Malla

    Well regarding Sinhalese I noticed they looked a bit like your typical keralite.not as dark as a tamilan and a sharp nose.by the way there are maids from Sri Lanka here in Malaysia and Singapore with both Sinhalese and Tamil girls.I must say Sinhalese girls are kind of beautiful.Btw what’s with kollywood? almost all their heroines are North Indian,keralite and Tamil brahmin.Are they ashamed of their typical Tamil females

  315. boy1988 says:
    @nebulafox

    To be precise ethnic Tamils who traced their origin to Madras presidency.You won’t find jatt Sikhs,malayalees or Jaffna Tamils being a gang member in Malaysia. Many Tamils engage in criminal activities after rubber estates where turned into housing and commercial areas in the 80s and early 90s in Selangor .Those from other states left their estate where they grew up after after rubbers were replaced with palm oil or moving to urban areas in search of better opportunities.Their antisocial behaviour can be traced back to alcoholism which they got accustomed to in the estates.Most of the gangs to which they belong like 08,04,18 ,36 etc are similar to street gangs in the United States such Bloods,Crips,Ms 18 in terms of non existing hierarchy structure which are seen in typical organized crimes like drug cartels ,mafia etc.Tagging is also a common feature of their groups.Those gangs can actually traced their origins to Chinese triads since triads do enlist Tamils into their group as enforcers and later on theyll set up their own gang after some stint with triads.Even today it’s a well known fact that these triads rely on Indians gangs to carry out out their dirty deeds like assassination,peddling drugs in neighborhood.I wouldn’t say the underworld is dominated by Indian gangs since the Chinese triads still call the shot.Drug trafficking,illegal drug labs, loansharking,prostitution,illegal gambling ,sale of counterfeit products,illegal logging is still controlled by the triads.Theres something called the 9 dragons in Malaysia and they control the underworld

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  316. boy1988 says:
    @jeff stryker

    Well Malays will take a any drugs available here.Heroine used to be the choice of drugs here in Malaysia in the 90s.Lately heroine is hard to come by and many opiate users switch to kratom.However meth is still the no 1 choice among them since it’s easily available .Opiate use among Chinese became unpopular decades ago and you’ll hardly see Chinese with drug problems .Apart from hard drugs the Malay race also engage in inhalant abuse .A good place to view this habit is in the state of Sabah where there are thousands of stateless migrants who traced their roots to the Mindanao conflict in the Philippines.Young stateless tausug beggars would knock the doors any vehicles that stopped at the traffic light asking for some cash.Theyll use some of the cash earned to buy industrial glue and cheap liquor.Theyll sniff glue and in daylight view .

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  317. Hacienda says:
    @littlereddot

    It is a biological survival mechanism that when generations experience trauma such as famine and war, children born to those generations tend to be smaller.

    That’s right. Asian Americans (and this is Asian in the broad sense) tend to get lost in shuffle, go visual, less verbal.

    It’s why I’m in on Nvidia, and kinda subconsciously push it forward.

  318. nebulafox says:
    @boy1988

    The story of Malaysia’s urbanization has been Malays and Indians-who, for different reasons, were largely rural people-moving to cities that used to be *completely* Chinese dominated. Looking at pictures of KL in the 1970s, you’d be justified for thinking yourself in Hong Kong.

    Anyway, that’s true, but Malaysia’s Indian community is considerably more uniformly Tamil than Singapore’s to begin with: only a little over half of Singapore’s Indians are Tamil.

    >I wouldn’t say the underworld is dominated by Indian gangs since the Chinese triads still call the shot.

    The impression I got was that the triad heyday was from 1960s-1990s, and that triads today are mostly the legal associations that you’d see in Singapore. Even back then, it was more prostitution and loan shark old school Ah Long types, as opposed to the contract murders and drug dealing the Indians get up to.

    (I’m deeply skeptical that people who do the former can effectively dictate people who do the latter… in any society.)

    I suspect that part of the reason for this is more palatable legal options for Malaysian Chinese with a criminal bent that have come with Malaysia’s “development”: namely, handling the financial affairs for corrupt Malay power-brokers in the public sector. Jho Low serves as an example of this new breed.

    >Opiate use among Chinese became unpopular decades ago and you’ll hardly see Chinese with drug problems.

    The Chinese vice is gambling. Better than drugs or alcohol, but still enough of an issue for hotline numbers to be found on kopi cups.

    >Are they ashamed of their typical Tamil females

    Beats me why they would. I’ve known Tamils who understood Hindi just fine but would pretend to not know it if asked a question in the language. Given the development gap between South and North India, you’d think Bollywood would be the one aping the former, not the other way around.

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
  319. @boy1988

    I chew Kratom from time to time myself & would be a real disappointment to a heroin addict LOL. It is a mild stimulant. Very, very mild. I boil the leaves & drink them.

    The Sulu archipelago migrants are inhaling “rugby” & that is common for the poorest of the poor in the Philippines.

    As far as addictions go, the problematic one for Southern Chinese is gambling. I think this is cultural. They are raised to believe luck & moral character are linked. Unsurprisingly, given this tradition, some will get into gambling addiction.

    In the Philippines the meth trade is run by Chinese. But demand is there.

    The Philippines unlike Malaysia or Indonesia has a horrendous racial caste system: in Muslim Mindanao it is Moros (Old nobility) & in the rest of the Philippines it is Spanish Filipino landowners.

    In Indonesia or Malaysia the European mixed-bloods were kicked out with Dutch or British.

    The Spanish ones stayed in the Philippines.

  320. @nebulafox

    …gambling. Better than drugs or alcohol,…

    Are you sure about that? If you overdose on drugs, or even alcohol, you would die and that solves the problem. As for gambling, you could lose Li Kashing’s worth and still keep on losing!!!

  321. nebulafox says:
    @jeff stryker

    The ethnic Chinese diaspora throughout Southeast Asia is a mix from all over Southeastern China, although you had different amounts of different groups depending on the country. One of the problems 1800s Malaysia had was the Chinese bringing over old beefs that the Taiping War had driven up to the elevens (the Hakka and Cantonese in particular didn’t get along, for the simple reason that most of the Taiping leadership was Hakka and they were widely-not wrongly-seen as behind the mess), and communal divides between competing groups of Chinese lingered in the Singaporean consciousness right up until independence.

    Thanks to the sheer level of immigration, Singapore had the most diversity-and during the British era, different kampung areas would be inhabited by different kinds of Chinese.

    >I’ve also theorized that Islam suppresses the worse characteristics among Malays-alcoholism, promiscuity, prostitution, lying, stealing etc.-while Spanish brought it out in the Philippines.

    Yeah, I’ve occasionally theorized about that too, although it should be pointed out that this isn’t exclusively negative: one of Islam’s saving graces is a communitarian focus that mixes well with traditional Malay attitudes that, IMO, is one of the most admirable aspects of their culture.

    However… I think if you dive into the seamy side of Jakarta, you’ll find that Islam hasn’t erased things so much as pushed some of them underground. Also, the uber-religious crowd in Indonesia/Malaysia and the Southern Philippines can be scary.

    > but in countries like Indonesia or Philippines where the Southern Chinese can hide in subdivisions they are indifferent & work to create government indifference to maximize their profits.

    I can’t speak for the Philippines, which I’m happy to defer to you on-it seems as though you’ve lived there for a long time and know more than I. But the government was certainly not “indifferent” to the ethnic Chinese in Indonesia. Turning them loose to make money was a calculated strategy that was created in Jakarta for the purpose of development (and enrichment) while Indonesia developed a native business and technical class.

    Suharto was not the kind of guy to leave anybody under illusions as to who called the shots (him-the curious mixture of Japanese trained ultra-nationalist military officer and old time Javanese sultan with fingers in every pocket), and he made sure everybody knew it. The point was particularly not lost on the ethnic Chinese, who were busy changing their names and forgetting their native language as per his edict.

    >The Tamil gangs of Malaysia are fearsome with machetes in a pack on the street but would not last 2 minutes against the Triads in the Philippines.

    Comparing the Philippines to Malaysia is like comparing Brazil to Italy or Argentina. The latter has its problems, but there’s nothing on the scale of the former.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  322. Al Ross says:
    @jeff stryker

    Try speaking Hokkien in KL . No go.

    Try Cantonese in KL , works every time.

    LKY was a Hakka.

    The Cambodian Govt. Number 1 and former number 2 ( Hun Sen and Sok An ) are both Teochew.

    Your opinions on the Overseas Chinese are simplistic and calculated to impress readers who know little about that fascinating group.

    Politically , the Chinese in Penang viewed 1957’s Independence with trepidation but were smart enough to not oppose it.

  323. @nebulafox

    Argentina would fall between Brazil & Italy, not that it matters.

    Libraries have been written about Philippines but essentially the Spanish had a practice of marrying local chieftain’s daughters called “illustrados” to form alliances-while the British & Dutch outlawed this for fear these mixed-blood elite would revolt which is precisely what happened in Philippines & Latino America.

    Anyhow, as a result, Philippines resembles Latin America with an indifferent Mestizo elite owning most of the land & has a racial caste system run by descendants of Spanish.

    Some will argue that the Philippines did not get enough Chinese & were it 30 percent Chinese like Malaysia it would be Italy to Brazil but I tend to believe like the Taiwanese indigenous the Filipinos would just die out at that point.

    Oddly enough all the Chinese in Philippines do not just come from the Fujian Province but from Amoy in particular.

    One wonders, considering how assimilated the Chinese were in Indonesia, why the locals resented them that much.

    Possibly you or another poster can explain. What was the reason? What did Indonesians actually believe ethnic Chinese had done?

    In mu opinion, the issue in Singapore is Indians & Chinese. At some point, some event will create mass conflict between them & the Malays will do what they always do sitting back & drinking Tapico in a hammock.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    , @Al Ross
    , @boy1988
  324. Al Ross says:

    Further and better doctoral particulars about Malaysia’s untidy racial politics :

    https://theses.ncl.ac.uk/jspui/bitstream/10443/3540/1/Macleod%2C%20A.%202017.pdf

  325. nebulafox says:
    @jeff stryker

    I’ve heard mainland Chinese describe Filipinos to me as “our Mexicans”.

    > What was the reason? What did Indonesians actually believe ethnic Chinese had done?

    There was a little thing called the Cultural Revolution going on in China in the 1960s, which promised to wipe out Malay/Indonesian culture and religion (this is the same reason why the ethnic Malays were so keen to back the British against the Communists in 1950s Malaya) entirely so that everybody could be subordinated to the Great Socialist Wave of the future. China was the main backer of the PKI.

    Again: that most Indonesian Chinese would have been considered “capitalist roaders” back home proved irrelevant. That’s not excusable. But the association of the PKI with Beijing also didn’t come out of nowhere.

    > In mu opinion, the issue in Singapore is Indians & Chinese.

    The issue is between Malays and Chinese, and always has been since the 1940s. Indians are the sideshow.

    Ironically, the main source of tension these days come from immigrants from the PRC, specifically imported to keep Singapore Han dominated. They aren’t used to living next to non-Han and their attitudes tend to rub the wrong way for Singaporeans of all races.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  326. Al Ross says:
    @jeff stryker

    “Oddly enough” ?

    Well if you believe that more Hokkien – speaking Chinese left Fujian’s biggest town because they were near a port , you may also believe that most Irish Ellis Island arrivals departed from Cork for the same geographical reason.

  327. boy1988 says:
    @jeff stryker

    Aren’t Filipino Chinese more assimilated than Indonesian Chinese? It’s practically impossible to find pinoy Chinese conversing in their dialects.the ones in Indonesia may look assimilated at first glance due to their Indonesian sounding names but if you go to Medan ,bangka island and west Kalimantan the Chinese culture is much more livelier compared to the ones in java.hokkien is spoken widely among Chinese in Medan while Hakka is the lingua franca among Chinese in bangka island and singkawang ( west Kalimantan).meanwhile Pontianak also in West Kalimantan is a teochew enclave.there are millions of Filipinos with only a quarter Han ancestry from their great grandparents carrying Chinese surnames and practice no Chinese culture whatsoever and look austro .Those Chinese mixed blood are similar to the ones called cina benteng of Batavia who live in poverty.doubt therell be a mass conflict between Indian and Chinese in singapore.they aren’t negroid for God sakes.conflict with low iq Muslim austro is more likely in the future

    • Replies: @Al Ross
  328. Al Ross says:
    @boy1988

    Your breathless prose should be subject to a Syn-Tax.

    • Agree: boy1988
  329. @nebulafox

    The last race riots in 2013 were in Little India.

    I don’t think that the Malays in Singapore have their act together as a group to wage an effective resistence & don’t outnumber Chinese but the Indians could be formidable adversaries.

    Anyhow, the Tamilian issues seem to be booze & this could be that lower-caste South Indians are basically Australian aboriginals. However, they are smarter cousins, maybe due to a genetic bottleneck at some point & could wage civil war in Singapore while the Malays are just too laidback.

  330. Al Ross says:
    @sher singh

    No , they just benefited from British Empire presence , without which they’d all have remained in their primitive villages.

  331. boy1988 says:
    @jeff stryker

    The 2013 riot was not a race riot.Its just some blue collar foreign workers who happened to come from South India.

    They were furious after they got to know their fellow compatriot who was intoxicated was poorly handled which resulted in his death due to traffic accident.None of the rioters were Singaporean citizen or PR holders.

    Those kind of protest by foreign workers do happen occasionally in neighbouring Malaysia and Thailand .In a way riots and protest like this is just to show that they demand justice and fair treatment by the employers and authorities in their host country.

    I won’t worry about Indians waging a civil war in Singapore since it just doesn’t make any sense at all.You should worry about Muslim Malays plotting to bomb important venues and commit mass murder in the name of religion.

    Ethnic tension is common in Singapore but in real life they just pretend it never happened.Usually they’ll just head to the many Singaporean forums like sammyboy (Sam’s alfresco section) to show their hatred of certain groups .

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  332. @jeff stryker

    More and more, I am starting to believe you are an escapee from the nuthouse.

    • Replies: @boy1988
  333. boy1988 says:
    @littlereddot

    He may sound like a nutcase but hey hes right about some of the stuff that he spews out

    • Replies: @littlereddot
  334. nebulafox says:
    @jeff stryker

    >The last race riots in 2013 were in Little India.

    That riot involve foreign guest workers from Bangladesh (right next to historical Little India is a “Little Dhaka” of sorts where the guest workers go to remit money and get Bangla food on their days off) and India, not local ethnic Indians. The latter relate to the former not at all.

    (Human beings are, as always, human beings. One funny anecdote: Singapore had an issue in the 1980s with local Tamils being sympathetic to the Tamil Tigers. But then, in 1980s Boston, Whitey Bulger was shipping arms to the IRA from sympathetic Americans of Irish extraction: I suspect this was on the same level of identification. Sympathy, but not to the extent that it erased American/Singaporean identity, respectively.)

    When I say that the main fault line is between Chinese and Malays, I’m talking more in a historical sense that lingers on in some inertial ways-the military, for example-more than anything else. To the extent that there is a practical divide in Singaporean society today (and this is Singapore, aka, this is very mild stuff compared to most of the world), it’s between native Singaporeans and recent arrivals from the PRC, who got subjected to polar opposite social conditioning in the 1970s. LKY fined and caned “peasant” behavior out of the Singaporean Han. The Cultural Revolution on the mainland forcibly installed it at all strata of society.

  335. nebulafox says:
    @boy1988

    >You should worry about Muslim Malays plotting to bomb important venues and commit mass murder in the name of religion.

    The Singaporean government takes the threat of Islamic radicalism very seriously. Guest workers from Muslim countries who show any sign of being a problem are swiftly dealt with. Imams are all state approved. The local Malay community is oddly conservative in some ways compared to their Malaysian counterparts (that’s what happens when you have a Muslim minority that stands out), but they are largely loyal to the Singaporean state and often take a withering view on their AA imbibing co-ethnics across the border.

    (It’s basically like ethnic Italians in Switzerland vis a vis the Germans: they’ll gripe and crack jokes about the stick-in-the-mud majority race, but are under no illusions about whether a society dominated by them is smoother and more functional.)

  336. @boy1988

    I can’t tell about things that I am not familiar with. But with nonsense he spews about Singapore, I can tell that he has at most a superficial knowledge. And the few facts that he knows about, he skews them into a most grotesque reading.

    As other readers here have pointed out, what he writes about seems calculated to impress people without knowledge of the region.

    Judging from how he totally misreads stuff about Singapore, I have no choice but to take what he says about anything else with a large handful of salt.

    I do commend you for your patience and tolerance when dealing with him. I unfortunately have difficulty suffering fools. I would never make a good teacher.

    • Agree: boy1988
    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  337. @nebulafox

    As far as Muslim terrorism is concerned this is what makes lunatics who accused the USA or “Five Eyes” of being responsible for the 1999 anti-Chinese riots in Indonesia of being so crazy.

    The Chinese suppress terrorism in many ways (Investment, creating middle class jobs, infrastructure) which discourage recruitment.

    Why would the CIA want them dead in Indonesia? Makes zero sense.

    also, when reading “:Sammy’s Alfreesco” which whites use to find prostitutes in Singapore but functions as a forum otherwise you realize that Indians & Chinese have no love lost for one another in Singapore. They would not in any society.

    The only Chinese who love Indians in Singapore sell deodorant because Chinese have no body odor.

    As races they are opposites.

    Wars don’t break out between advanced races & unadvanced. The advanced are too well organized.

    Also, Tamils have a fanatic extremist gene. It is in their DNA.

  338. @littlereddot

    Red Dot

    I don’t want to descend to Sammy’s Cafe patrons level of silliness (Though obviously white people use the site to find hookers) but yours is typical of left brained chimpout.

    It is why we worry about you having nuclear weapons even more than Indians or why white people feel their countries should be the only ones with nuclear weapons.

    You have been given information that is outside your left-brained logic & you are having an Asberger’s chimpout.

    …But let me be clear. I do not know Singapore. I know other parts of SEA of course. Not Singapore.

    • Replies: @littlereddot
  339. boy1988 says:
    @nebulafox

    Are you saying that Singaporean Malays are much more conservative than the ones in Malaysia?I would have to disagree on that

    Have you ever noticed how many Malay Muslim youngsters in Singapore have tattoos? A Malay in Malaysia who does that would draw flaks and worse isolated from families and neighbours.That doesn’t mean there are no tattooed Malay Muslim in Malaysia but they are a rare sight

    Also go to any swimming pools in Singapore and you’ll notice some Muslim Malay would be wearing a two piece swimsuit.Meanwhile in Malaysia it’s a female with towels in their head and loose clothing .lol

    If I’m not mistaken there are some restrictions placed on Malay officers in the Singaporean military especially air force and armoured vehicle division.Cant blame the authorities but you cant really trust them should a war break out between Singapore with Malaysia or Indonesia.

    What happened in the battle of Surabaya during the Indonesian war for independence .( Happened between Brit forces and Indo guerrillas because Dutch ask the Brits to deal with those indos.Dutch were seriously fucked by Hitler back home) serves as a reminder.Indian Muslim soldiers hearing snackbar quickly switch sides.

  340. @jeff stryker

    …But let me be clear. I do not know Singapore. I know other parts of SEA of course. Not Singapore

    Oh finally an admission that you do not know Singapore after being called out umpteen times while trying to pose as an expert.

    So now you still cling on to being an expert in “other parts of SEA”? You have been called out. I doubt if your “knowledge” of other parts of SEA or the rest of the world holds much water. It is likely to be equally superficial and skewed to grotesqueness.

    I would take the opinions of your esteemed countryman Nebulafox seriously. But your opinions?….. it is to be regarded like a used enema.

  341. @nebulafox

    but they are largely loyal to the Singaporean state and often take a withering view on their AA imbibing co-ethnics across the border.

    Very astute observation. I too have noticed this.

    I think this phenomenon is very widespread where ethnicities are spread across national borders. From personal and other people’s observations, Asian people in the USA also exhibit this behaviour towards co-ethnics from Asia. We have noticed a certain condescension when Asian Americans meet other Asian people they perceive are from outside the USA.

    Funnily enough, I and others from my circle in Singapore seem to have had the best experiences in the USA with the Black folk and the worst experiences with the Asian Americans.

  342. 36 ulster says:

    The Englishman KNOWS??????? The Englishman BELIEVES in his superiority over us Celts, in his heart or more southerly locales. I admire LKY more than any statesman, real or imagined, living or dead, but that belief made me laugh amusedly. That superiority may have been true until about a century ago, before 1/7/1916, but there seems to have been a regression to the mean–and what a mean regression it’s been, if you follow the essays of Anthony Daniels, a/k/a Theodore Dalrymple, who surveys the dystopia from his Paris Arrondissement between forays to the UK. That said, kudos to Lee Kuan Yew–and to M. Durocher for this excellent article.

  343. @Hacienda

    I love this kind of video – just straight-forward observations by a middle class person with no political agenda or correctness etc.

    The shots on the train seemed to be taken with her mobile phone so I assume they’re legitimate rather than staged. Those women were elf-like, so tall, with good skin, great posture and well dressed. Not a burger fed pasty faced fatty to be seen.

    Amazing what a few generations without famine and a good supply of healthy food can do for a civilisation.

  344. Malla says:
    @ivan

    Socialism in my opinion is a necessary stage – clean water, good schools, universal healthcare – in the development of nations. The main problem with it, is that after one or two generations, the administrators become corrupt and lazy as they are in India.

    I agree, in a post Industrial revolution society, social development needs to precedes economic development. However you gotta check what the Swatantra party after Independence was saying. you know Minoo Masani (who was earlier a firebrand labour union leader) or Rajagopalachari. That the Government should leave Steel production, coal, garments etc… to the private sector and concentrate on education and healthcare because these PSUs of Public Sector Units or Government run companies could become capital sinks and we would end up losing a lot of money in these and have less money for social development and that is what happened. Anyways I do not blame Nehru like the nationalist crowd, he did do a lot of good, built lots of heavy industries many a times with Soviet help, IITs, ISRO etc… He did do a lot but today’s youth blaming him for “destroying the country via socialism” is basically they are looking for a scapegoat.
    Anyways, Nehru was a Fabián socialist, he eventually wanted Communism but using a more slow incremental method, not the revolutionary method used in Russia or China.

    From the early days of the October Revolution, Nehru closely followed the socialist transformations in Soviet Russia, Nehru studied the works of Marx and Lenin which, by his own admission, substantially influenced his views on the ways and laws of world social development. In doing so, as Nehru pointed out in one of his articles, he was deeply impressed in those years by Lenin’s work, Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism, and the book written by the American journalist, John Reed, Ten Days That Shook the World.

    Later, Nehru wrote the following about that period: “We began a new phase in our struggle for freedom in India at about the same time as the October Revolution led by the great Lenin. We admired Lenin whose example influenced us greatly.” In November 1927, Jawaharlal Nehru, together with his father Motilal Nehru, was invited by the USSR Society for Cultural Relations with Foreign Countries to attend the celebrations of the Tenth Anniversary of the October Revolution. On November 7, 1927, Jawaharlal Nehru together with his father, wife and sister set his foot on Soviet soil for the first time at the small border station of Negoreloye. It is surprising how a multimillionaire of that time, the rich barrister Motilal Nehru (Nehru’s dad) was treated as a great guest in Soviet Russia while millions of poor were suffering in inhuman conditions in Soviet gulags. Strange, eh?

    Jawaharlal Nehru was received in the Kremlin by Mikhail Kalinin, Chairman of the Central Executive Committee of the USSR. Nehru visited several factories and plants, attended Moscow court proceedings, went to the museum of the October Revolution, the Bolshoi Theatre, and saw V. Pudovkin’s film, “The End of Saint-Petersburg”. On November 8, Nehru took part in a festive meeting devoted to the Tenth Anniversary of the October Revolution, held in the Trade Union House. Here is what I was told by Professor Vladimir Balabushevich, a famous Indologist: “Nehru was a little late for the meeting. Nevertheless, when Jawaharlal Nehru and his father, Motilal Nehru, made their appearance in the hall and were introduced to the audience by the Chairman of the meeting, all those present in the hall rose and gave them a warm welcoming ovation. Already at that time, Jawaharlal Nehru was regarded as an outstanding fighter against imperialism and colonialism.”

    • Replies: @ivan
  345. Malla says:
    @nebulafox

    Thanks, I agree with everything you wrote, but saying something like what you wrote, with the same tenor, would be easily considered racist in the West.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  346. 36 ulster says:
    @Truth

    But not ultra-liberal enough for today’s Democrats.

  347. ivan says:
    @Malla

    As always you are a font of knowledge. Thanks for these hardly known anecdotes; they illuminate the whole.

    • Thanks: Malla
  348. Good piece but the “Low cost of living in Singapore” surprised me.

    https://www.expatistan.com/cost-of-living/singapore?currency=USD

    Summary of cost of living in Singapore

    Family of four estimated monthly costs: \$6,357 (SGD \$8,584)
    Single person estimated monthly costs: \$3,947 (SGD \$5,329)
    Singapore is the 2nd most expensive city in Asia (2 out of 13)
    Cost of living in Singapore is more expensive than in 91% of cities in the World (15 out of 157)

    • Replies: @littlereddot
  349. @Malla

    saying something like what you wrote, with the same tenor, would be easily considered racist in the West.

    Only by all the wrong people.

    • Replies: @littlereddot
  350. @Bill Jones

    Only by all the wrong people.

    Quite right.

    Even in the within West, the hypersensitivity to perceived racism varies between societies and differing segments of society.

    I find Brits generally much more down to earth and relaxed when discussing race matters.

    Americans, and especially those on the left leaning are terrified of saying anything that might be construed as racist. I gather this was not so pronounced in the past, but I think it is getting worse as time goes by.

    I once attended a party in Florida maybe 6 to 8 years back, where there a mix of left and right leaning folks. We were having light hearted chat and I joked that I was yellow. A joke like this where I come from in SE Asia would be perceived exactly as just a joke. But when I said the same thing to my American acquaintances, they all turned paler than white, and there was a total awkward silence….LOL.

    I think the US has become hypersensitive on race matters. Everybody seems to be on edge, and just as many people use race to clobber each other. Blacks use it on whites, Whites use it on blacks…around and around it goes.

    I hope they get over it soon.

  351. @Bill Jones

    Good piece but the “Low cost of living in Singapore” surprised me.

    The interesting thing about Singapore, is that you can have either extreme. That chart is applicable if you live like an average Singaporean without fancy tastes.

    If you don’t mind slumming it, you can get by with very little. If however you have a taste for the fancy stuff, then Singapore can be as expensive as anywhere else. This is something that I found differs greatly from the USA, where the differential between the low and high end markets are not so stark.

    For example in Sg, you can go eat a simple noodle dish at a no frills street food kind of place for \$3, or you can cross the street to the mall and have exactly the same thing in air-conditioned food court for \$6, or you could walk down the mall to mid range restaurant and have that same thing for \$15. Then if you go two floors up in the same mall to a more upmarket place, they prices increase in the same orders of magnitude.

    You can ride the subway for \$1 or you can buy a 1.5 litre Honda Accord for \$120,000. A 2 litre Mercedes E class would start from \$200, 000 (and that is with a license to own the for 10 years, and petrol prices are \$8 a gallon, and I am not even adding other incidentals like road taxes, inspection fees, mandatory insurances etc)

    Certain things in Singapore are inescapably high. Cars as mentioned are one, they are on average 4 to 5 X what they cost in the US to buy, and much higher to run.

    Housing prices also high. A pre-owned no frills public housing apartment of 2 bedrooms and 780 square feet in size will sell for upwards of \$260, 000. This is about the lowest priced property one can buy. If one has fancier tastes, then consider paying prices on par with downtown SF or NYC.

    If one is so inclined, he can manage to live in Singapore quite inexpensively if he avoids the outrageously priced big ticket items. Otherwise, it is really the Crazy Rich Asians.

  352. Al Ross says:

    Despite LKY’s politically necessitated “authoritarianism” , during the transition between British departure and full ” controlled” Democracy , LKY asked the senior British Govt legal official , the Earl of Selkirk , to verify that all political prisoners were in good shape.

    Selkirk visited a temporarily imprisoned lawyer of Sri Lankan descent and , in the style made popular by Hollywood’s depiction of Englishmen asked the Colombo native if he was being treated properly :

    “Well no , I have no radio in this cell.”

    ” I’m afraid that sort of thing is not allowed”

    ” But I only wish to listen to the Cricket”

    ‘ Ah , that is an entirely different matter, it might be possible.”

    • Thanks: littlereddot
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