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Inspired by an excellent recent post by Anatoly Karlin, I’d like to add my two cents on the controversial topic of race in the ancient world. This is a sorely under-covered issue which deserves entire PhD theses dedicated to it. For now, a few Internet articles will have to do.

I would argue that HBD is a lot less obviously linked with development outcomes in the premodern world than in the modern world, at least among Eurasians. All the major Eurasian races/regions (Europeans, Middle-Easterners, Indians, Chinese) have been cultural or technological leaders at least in some fields during some periods. The same cannot be said for Sub-Saharan Africans (despite contact with Europe, the Middle East, and even India), Australian Aborigines, or Amerindians (although to be fair to Amerindians, they had far less time, a smaller population base, and were isolated, and still created basic civilizations).

Genetically-influenced intellectual ability and temperament are a major factor in civilizational development (chimps do not build pyramids, you may have noticed), but there are obviously many other ones too. The most obvious would be climate, population density, and communications. Hence, it is natural that civilizations would first emerge in fertile river basins which could support large populations and around seas (like the Mediterranean) where sharing ideas and technologies between populations was easy. It seems that “European Miracle” of modernization occurred from the late Middle Ages onwards thanks to a critical mass of intellegent interconnected populations being reached, then allowing for an exponential growth in communications, literacy, urbanization, and technology.

People assume that, because Middle-Easterners or Indians were more advanced than Europeans 5000 years ago, this means there can be no genetic influence on civilizational development, there are no in-born propensities for the intelligence and abstract thinking necessary for civilization. In the same way, northern Europeans’ barbarism and backwardness relative to Greece and Rome in ancient times is taken as evidence that northern Europeans’ superior performance in modern times cannot have a (partly) genetic basis.

Without getting into the controversial question of the alleged Nordic stock of ancient civilization-builders (which I am not invested in either way), I would argue that the discrepancy between ancient and modern Middle-Easterner achievement is easy to explain. The fact is that ancient civilizations generally did not require a very high degree of social trust or intelligence to achieve: peasants need to be minimally diligent enough to work the land, a small military group must be united enough to enforce the God-King’s rule over the peasants, and you need some scribes and bureaucrats to record your accomplishments and build some monuments. That’s about it. Iraqis evidently were intelligent and trusting enough to do this 5000 years ago.

Under Saddam Hussein, Iraqis were still able to sustain a reasonably-functional dictatorial regime capable of (brutally if necessary) maintaining civil peace and building great works. However, in modern times the differences in social outcomes and well-being between, say, Sweden and Iraq have been absolutely enormous. HBDers are not surprised at this, given that the differences in human differences between Sweden) (average IQ circa 100, until-recently homogeneous Nordic country) and Iraq (average IQ circa 87, divided into three mutually hostile ethno-religious groups and various clans). It takes a lot less social trust and intelligence to maintain an impoverished dictatorship than it does a wealthy social democracy. The same can be said concerning the trust and intelligence necessary to maintain an authoritarian agricultural society as opposed to creating a technologically modern republican society.

(I in no way deny, by the way, that Iraq’s performance has been catastrophically worsened below its potential due to the Americans’ and their allies’ criminal military interventions in Iraq. However, even without this war, it seems exceedingly unlikely that Iraq’s performance would have come anywhere near Sweden’s. What’s more, the point is also that Iraq’s poor human capital and ethno-religious divisions meant the country was particularly susceptible to the dictatorship of some clan and to ethno-religious civil war, whether fomented by hostile outsiders or not.)

It’s possible that the ancients (whether Greek or Middle-Eastern) were more gifted than are the modern inhabitants of these regions (Darwin certainly took this view concerning the ancient Greeks). Dysgenics is a very real possibility. Genetic evidence has shown that Egypt has grown less genetically Caucasian and blacker over the millennia, while the systematization of cousin marriage under Islam has done massive damage all the way from Morocco to Pakistan. Happily, Muslims themselves (as in Morocco, 15% cousin marriage rate) are increasingly aware of congenital diseases they are inflicting upon their children through inbreeding.

Amerindians, like Middle-Easterners, evidently also had the ability to build an ancient civilization. Sub-Saharan Africans, despite contact with others and being around the longest, have virtually never done so. Northern Europeans had the ability but many lived in an extremely hostile (cold) environment with a corresponding low population density and poor communications (land routes) with southern Europe. This hypothesis – of harsh climate impeding development and maintaining barbarism – is the typical argument one finds ancient Mediterranean authors (Herodotus, Aristotle . . .) explaining northern Europe’s underdevelopment and barbarism.

Northern Europe’s case also fits quite well with some HBD models: a people operating in an environment so harsh that it most selects for certain traits (trust and adherence-to-values especially, but also intelligence), while also retarding civilizational development. No contradiction there.

While Europe only achieved a decisive lead in material civilization in the late Middle Ages, Ricardo Duchesne has argued that Europeans’ (Greeks, Romans, Modern Europeans) political, scientific, and philosophical achievements were peerless long before that. While acknowledging the undeniable and often impressive achievements of India, China, or the early Islamic World, there seem to be little-to-no equivalents to the Western practice of civic politics (the Greek polis, the Roman Republic, requiring a rare adherence to abstract legal principles, reciprocity, and civic virtue) and the rationalist Western philosophy (especially that of the Greeks). In modern times of course, Western science and philosophy have undeniably been peerless in their advances and sophistication.

I do not say, necessarily, that the modern West has been better in terms of its values, but merely more sophisticated and certainly unique. Furthermore, I would argue non-Western civilizations have made many unique contributions which are intrinsically valuable. The world is legitimately enriched by the existence of different civilizations and peoples, inhabiting different spaces, and the cross-pollenization between them. This is another reason to oppose the globalists’ mad attempt to create a single global civilization, characterized by a gruel-like homogeneous culture and ethno-racial division.

As technological progress reduces the climate and natural environment’s salience as a factor in human development and as (tele)communications and literacy are universalized, nations then converge to the natural level predicted by their level of social trust and intelligence.

By way of conclusion, we should be wary of equating all forms of civilization with “progress.” Sedentary agricultural civilizations enable the population density for undeniable cultural and technological achievements. But they also have drawbacks: an often catastrophic decline in food quality (overreliance on grains) and a lifestyle/social stratification favoring vicious autocratic rulers and slavish subjects. From this standard, the old Indo-European lifestyle – while materially backward – was one which enabled a virile and martial way of life of aristocratic freedom. It is not for nothing that the ancient Greeks and Romans were obsessed with the problem of decadence and that for most of history technologically primitive but, I would argue, socio-culturally superior barbarians have invaded and conquered “advanced” civilizations again and again. Today, more “primitive” peoples, still adhering to God and traditional family values, are simply outbreeding and physically replacing sterile Westerners who have embraced the postmodern liberal anti-ethos of individual entitlement, comfort, and pleasure. Who, exactly, are the “superiors” here?

 
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  1. This hypothesis – of harsh climate impeding development and maintaining barbarism – is the typical argument one finds ancient Mediterranean authors

    Are you sure about that? iirc there was some sort of climate theory about the capabilities of different peoples, e.g. the elder Pliny in his Natural History wrote that Germanic barbarians were brave, but stupid due to the cold in their regions, whereas Ethiopians were wise, but cowardly because of the African heat. I’ve forgotten the exact reasoning, but it was something fairly bizarre about climate affecting the qualities of blood…not a hereditarian thesis though, but rather an environmental one. Unsurprisingly for Pliny Mediterranean peoples like the Romans, who lived in a moderate environment and had intermediate complexion and physical features, were best, combining both intelligence and valour.
    But there certainly was a topos at least among some Greek and Roman writers that northern barbarians weren’t smart.

    • Replies: @David
  2. Here’s this nobody thinking, “Gee, I’m just going to write a little article off the top of my head proving, oh, I don’t know, whites are better than everybody or something.” Really impressive intelligence. Making utter balderdash seem somehow likely. Really impressive.

  3. ia says:

    Whites should get over worshipping the human rights god. What they perceive as something resembling Voltaire or Thomas Jefferson has morphed into a beetle-faced, pregnant hermaphrodite.

    • Replies: @Sollipsist
  4. David says:
    @German_reader

    Vitruvius riffs on something like that:

    It is owing to the rarity of the atmosphere that southern nations, with their keen intelligence due to the heat, are very free and swift in the devising of schemes, while northern nations, being enveloped in a dense atmosphere, and chilled by moisture from the obstructing air, have but a sluggish intelligence. That this is so, we may see from the case of snakes. Their movements are most active in hot weather, when they have got rid of the chill due to moisture, whereas at the winter solstice, and in winter weather, they are chilled by the change of temperature, and rendered torpid and motionless. It is therefore no wonder that man’s intelligence is made keener by warm air and duller by cold.

    But although southern nations have the keenest wits, and are infinitely clever in forming schemes, yet the moment it comes to displaying valour, they succumb because all manliness of spirit is sucked out of them by the sun. On the other hand, men born in cold countries are indeed readier to meet the shock of arms with great courage and without timidity, but their wits are so slow that they will rush to the charge inconsiderately and inexpertly, thus defeating their own devices. Such being nature’s arrangement of the universe, and all these nations being allotted temperaments which are lacking in due moderation, the truly perfect territory, situated under the middle of the heaven, and having on each side the entire extent of the world and its countries, is that which is occupied by the Roman people.

    Copied from Gutenberg if you want to see the context.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @JP
  5. @David

    Thanks, interesting.
    I think I found what I was thinking of regarding Pliny’s Natural History, it’s apparently Book 2, chapter 80:
    http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0137%3Abook%3D2%3Achapter%3D80

    Nowadays apparently seen as “proto-racism”…at least googling indicates it’s regarded as that by one Benjamin H. Isaac in his “The invention of racism in classical antiquity”…I’m not going to read that book myself, but maybe Mr Durocher feels up to the task, lol.

    • Replies: @Guillaume Durocher
  6. By-tor says:
    @obwandiyag

    You offer nothing to refute this ‘nobody,’ nor are you able to argue against the fact that whites created the modern technological world we live in, and blacks did not. Blacks, as a race of people, were not able to enter the industrial world on their own anywhere in Africa. That is the history.

    • Agree: Realist, TKK
    • Replies: @Truth
  7. @German_reader

    Thanks for the quote David.

    Isaac’s book is a reasonable, if highly critical, overview of the topic. See also Aristotle (Politics, 1327b18):

    The peoples of cold countries generally, and particularly those of Europe, are full of spirit, but deficient in skill and intelligence [or understanding, διάνοια]; and this is why they continue to remain comparatively free, but attain no political development and show no capacity for governing others. The peoples of Asia are endowed with skills and intelligence, but are deficient in spirit; and this is why they continue to be peoples of subjects and slaves. The Greek stock, intermediate in geographical position, unites the qualities of both sets of peoples. It possesses both spirit and intelligence, for which reason it continues to be free, to have the highest political development, and to be capable of governing every other people – if only it could once achieve political unity.

    This boils down to: manly but barbaric northerners vs. servile but cultured Asiatics.

    • Replies: @Guillaume Durocher
  8. @Guillaume Durocher

    I find the ancients’ attitude towards in-born heredity to be quite reasonable prefigurations of Darwinism: the environment modifies a people over time, until these traits become in-born and hereditary. But Isaac pathologizes such observations.

  9. Major error above in the claim that

    there seem to be little-to-no equivalents to the Western practice of civic politics (the Greek polis, the Roman Republic, requiring a rare adherence to abstract legal principles, reciprocity, and civic virtue) and the rationalist Western philosophy (especially that of the Greeks)

    This is quite wrong, the product of a huge cultural blind-spot and a massive historical-learning deficiency in the West.

    Just about everything of cultural good, is found in one form or another, in ancient India, including practices and notions of democracy itself, and rationality etc. Ancient India was hugely rich and diverse in its intellectual life, and, moreover, developed great life-changing things no one else did.

    Not-politically-correct Flemish scholar of India Koenraad Elst – who writes in English – is a rich source on this.

    A lot of ancient Greek thought is a development of ideas previously in India – Pythagoras and Plato believed in reincarnation, it should be remembered, tho we have lost the trail of likely India-Greece transmission chains.

    Jesus of the Bible has been shown to be repeating Buddha of 500 years earlier in his ‘nicer’ sayings. Softer, sweeter Indian teachings were overlayed on the rather harsh Jewish framework, to produce the mix we know as ‘Christianity’.

    Ancient India was also more advanced in terms of human rights, and only began to be rivalled recently in the West after the Enlightenment. For example, it was in ancient Indian kingdoms, around 2000 years ago, that the death penalty first began to be abolished. With thousands of Asian scholars studying at the ancient university of Nalanda, even ancient China and Japan abolished the death penalty under India’s spiritual influence.

    And let’s not forget advanced sexual ideas, Kama Sutra, Temples of Khajuraho, etc.

    The most unique achievement of ancient India was the ‘yogic’ traditions, the multiple methods of meeting the divine directly through various practices, ranging from euphoric, life-transforming meditation, to the physical ‘yoga’ Westerners often do, to tantra, and so on. This remains unparalleled.

    After centuries of great heights, India was undermined by too great a popularity of certain Buddhist ideas, with their anti-warrior, anti-weapons ideology … which allowed the Muslim armies to come in and conquer, and lay waste to the University at Nalanda that had spread learning and wisdom for some 1,700 years. India’s subjugation for a millennium, under Muslims, Christians, and Western Imperialists, have left it in a still-ravaged state. Today’s India is not in sync with all the best of its typically-tolerant ancient culture, e.g., with a perversely-evolved ‘caste’ system different from its ancient antecedents.

    There is heavy Western propaganda seeking to destroy our access to the progressive, rich paganism of ancient India, because so much wisdom is there, along with the powerful theme that the gods and goddesses fully back the righteous warrior, the very theme of India’s most beloved spiritual book, the Bhagavad-Gita, its story here in a 10-minute video:

  10. @Brabantian

    Jesus of the Bible has been shown to be repeating Buddha of 500 years earlier in his ‘nicer’ sayings.

    Absolute, 100% utter bullshit.

    Christ and the Buddha have literally nothing in common, their philosophies are polar opposites in every respect.

    Only an idiot without any knowledge of either of them could claim something as stupid as you did.

    The Buddha preached nihilism and detachment, the message of Christ is that everything matters and you are placed with an overbearing responsibility for yourself and the world, like it or not.

  11. @obwandiyag

    Karlin tries to unperson me. But utu supports me. I’m with utu.

    • Replies: @WHAT
  12. Svigor says:
    @Brabantian

    If we’re doing the full disclosure bit, the Hebrews stole almost everything in their religion from the Persians, Egyptians, etc. The enduring, over-the-top racism seems to be their greatest original contribution.

    As for the early Christians, the new stuff they mostly stole from the Greeks.

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @Iris
    , @Seraphim
  13. Peter Frost says: • Website

    It’s possible that the ancients (whether Greek or Middle-Eastern) were more gifted than are the modern inhabitants of these regions

    Yes, that’s possible. The mean IQ of a population can decline over time. The brain is the most expensive organ of the body, and if intelligence becomes less essential to survival, selection will favor those individuals whose bodies allocate fewer resources to it.

    It is likelier, however, that the decline was simply relative. If we look at the Ottoman Empire, it had made progress between 1500 and 1900, but this progress was much less than that of Christian Europe during the same period.

    There is, in fact, a growing body of evidence that mean IQ increased in Europe during that period, particularly in Western Europe. The more dynamic economic and cultural environment was favoring individuals who could better exploit its possibilities. At the risk of boring your readers, I will copy and paste part of a manuscript I’m working on:

    Mean European IQ seems to have likewise risen during historical times. This is the conclusion of several recent studies:

    Europe. A team led by Michael Woodley examined data from ancient DNA retrieved at sites in Europe and central Asia, specifically the frequency of alleles associated with high educational attainment. They found that these alleles gradually became more and more frequent over the time frame of the DNA samples: 4,560 to 1,210 years ago (Woodley et al. 2017).

    England. Gregory Clark used demographic data to chart the growth of the English middle class. He found that this class expanded steadily from the twelfth century onward, its descendants not only growing in number but also replacing the lower classes through downward mobility. By the 1800s, its lineages accounted for most of the English population. Parallel to this demographic expansion, English society became more and more middle class in its values: “Thrift, prudence, negotiation, and hard work were becoming values for communities that previously had been spendthrift, impulsive, violent, and leisure loving” (Clark 2007, p. 166).

    Western Europe. On the basis of soft data, Georg W. Oesterdiekhoff argued that mean IQ steadily rose throughout Western Europe during late medieval and early modern times. Previously, most people failed to develop mentally beyond the stage of preoperational thinking. They could learn language and social norms but their ability to reason was hindered by various impediments like cognitive egocentrism, anthropomorphism, finalism, and animism. From the sixteenth century onward, more and more people reached the stage of operational thinking. They could better understand probability and cause and effect and could see things from the perspective of another person, whether real or hypothetical (Oesterdiekhoff 2007; Rindermann 2018, pp. 49, 86-87). As this “smart fraction” grew in size, it eventually reached a threshold where intellectuals were no longer isolated individuals but rather communities of people who could exchange ideas. This was one of the hallmarks of the Enlightenment: intellectuals were sufficiently numerous to meet in clubs, salons, coffeehouses, and debating societies.

    Ashkenazim. Gregory Cochran, Jason Hardy, and Henry Harpending presented evidence that the mean IQ of Ashkenazi Jews exceeds not only that of non-Jewish Europeans but also that of other Jewish groups. This cognitive advantage seems to be relatively recent, originating probably in the Middle Ages. The most striking piece of evidence is the high incidence among Ashkenazim of certain genetic disorders: Tay-Sachs, Gaucher, Niemann-Pick, and mucolipidosis type IV (MLIV). All four disorders affect the same metabolic pathway: the capacity to store sphingolipid compounds that promote the growth and branching of axons in the brain. Although these disorders are deleterious in the homozygote state, they are a net benefit in the much more frequent heterozygote state, i.e., the brain receives higher levels of sphingolipids without suffering the adverse health effects (Cochran et al. 2006; see also Frost 2007). On a related note, a team led by Curtis Dunkel examined genetic data from the Wisconsin Longitudinal Study and found that Ashkenazi Jews have a higher percentage of alleles associated with high educational attainment (Dunkel et al. 2019).

  14. @Peter Frost

    Looks like an interesting manuscript, Peter. Please see about getting it published here on Unz, if you would. Moreover, a return to your role as regular contributor on this site would be greatly appreciated.

    “To whom much is given, much is expected.”

    Thank-you, John

  15. “And let’s not forget advanced sexual ideas . . .”

    Advanced sexual ideas? You mean, sex is rocket science after all?

    • LOL: Iris
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  16. @anonymous coward

    Facile comparisons of Buddhism with Christianity is the mark of a mere dabbler in religious thought.

    • Replies: @Reuben Kaspate
  17. joe webb says:

    “I do not say, necessarily, that the modern West has been better in terms of its values, but merely more sophisticated and certainly unique.”

    Well we invented free speech, democratic assemblies, rule of law…and other trivialities.

    We being Greeks, Germans, and Romans, and then do not overlook even the Vikings with regard to free speech, etc.

    Just finished Thucidides’ Pelopponnesian War and starting Xenophon’s Ten Thousand…amazng chronicle of self-reliance, military democratic governance, and true grit….no other race is capable of this. Thucidides’ book is chock full of racialist stuff. etc.

    We be racists…that is the truth. We are the Best…a funny Ancient Greek notion.

    Joe Webb

  18. @ia

    Can’t argue with the first part. Human rights is really just secular Christianity, twisted by Reason’s spoiled grandchildren to maintain the puritan inquisitions while progressively accommodating decadence and arrogance. This is why humans can’t have nice things.

  19. @Peter Frost

    Very interesting information. Thanks for the comment!

  20. Truth says:
    @By-tor

    No one entered the industrial world on their own, anywhere, except the US and England.

    • Replies: @Rich
  21. WHAT says:
    @obwandiyag

    He will not succeed, because you’d have to be a person first.

  22. mikemikev says:

    Frank Dikotter is a good source for the history of the race concept in China.

  23. @Curmudgeon

    Sure, guy. White winning is Hitler Mk II. Any trace of a chance that whites might win has to be destroyed, associated with something evil.
    Anybody non-white wins (example: Vietnamese shipping all the Chinese in the country to the ocean, where very many died, after the N. Vietnamese victory), you don’t mention it or regard it with pride.

    Nice tactic when it was presented as a corrective to white pride. Not such a good idea now, when the whites are being displace in their geographical regions of origin and all the areas they settled since the AD 1500 European breakout.

    You guys even get Hitler wrong. You say he’s evil, but everything you do (welfare state, emphasis on racial superiority, the AD 1960s “counterculture”, the AD 2019 Antifa (patterned on the brownshirts), the big lie (e.g. Trump coverage), unremitting hostility, unending emphasis on Jews) is a shameless imitation of Hitler and the Nazis, and for that matter the various Eastern European Fascists that kicked the Left’s ass back in the 1930s.

    It’s old, and you can’t invent the new. What you’ve done was successful only because nobody could quite believe that _anybody_ would be stupid enough to maneuver themselves into the strategic dead end you’ve reached. “We want to eliminate industrial civilization”, to paraphrase Shorty (AOC). “We want to genocide Whites” to paraphrase the Democrats. “Kill or be killed”, to paraphrase the lot of you. Morons. You’ve gone for maximax, which strategy works fine until it fails catastrophically. So smart and so stupid.

    Counterinsurgency

  24. @Brabantian

    Heh. The Greek civilization formed in the islands of the Agean, apparently by refugees from the Bronze Age Collapse (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Bronze_Age_collapse). Back then, India had been civilized by the Indus Valley civilization, about which very little is known, and which may have been an early victim of whatever caused the Late Bronze Age collapse. It was was in an interval of barbarism (Vedic period), and didn’t have most of what you cite.

    The political traditions of the Greeks and Romans (who were apparently also refugees from the Late Bronze Age collapse) were a significant departure from the God-Kings of the Middle Eastern empires, and from the Indian castes, for that matter. The reason was simple: poverty. The refugees (a mixed lot from many tribes/countries) managed to save much of their civilization, but didn’t have the economic surplus to support the elaborate and inefficient bureaucracy characteristic of the old Bronze Age military superstates that supported God-Kings. They were egalitarian because they were too poor to be otherwise, and just barely managed to patch together a new form of polity that permitted civilization without God-Kings as a source of all political authority.
    That’s also why they weren’t conquered early on. Too hard a target, too little reward.

    A word of warning: Every society claims to have invented everything. It’s a subject of fun in the West. The Blacks did it recently in the West — two Black women were responsible for the Lunar Landings. The Soviets did it back in the 1930s — everything had been invented in Russia. The Irish did it during the British Empire — everything had been done by an Irishman working behind the scenes. At one point, Murray Leinster had a series about “Patrick Pending”, who had invented almost everything. Leinster pointed out that, back then, Pending had his name stamped on most new items. The name was abbreviated to “Pat. Pending”.
    India has many legitimate accomplishments, as do the Blacks and the Soviets and the Irish. Stick to what you really did and you avoid a reputation as a braggart.

    Also:

    And let’s not forget advanced sexual ideas, Kama Sutra, Temples of Khajuraho, etc.

    Have no fear. I’ve tried very hard to forget them, and no luck yet. Maybe someday . . .

    Counterinsurgency

  25. Lin says:
    @anonymous coward

    One of the deficiency of hindu civilisation mourned by the hindu nationalists but often denied by them is that
    —-Ancient pre-mogul India grossly lacked proper historical records and historians(saved 2 noteworthy chronologers of 2 regional kingdoms I read).
    Many parts of ancient india over long periods of time are blank histographically. Often writings of ancient greek travellers and chinese buddhist pilgrims are the only sources of infos on those particular geographic time-space fragments
    The first pan-subcontinent historian, Alberuni, happened to be a muslim who accompanied a muslim conqueror king
    http://www.mihirbose.com/index.php/indias-missing-historians/
    –Ever wonder why only one chap without a photograph on this list: https://www.ranker.com/list/famous-historians-from-india/reference
    One of the hindu nationalist endeavour is to ‘create’ history:
    –Archaelogists and linguists told us ancient ‘aryans’ from southern europe conquered(/migrated to) Dravidian subcontinent and established hindu caste system as a form of racial hierachy/pyramid to put the ‘aryans’ at the top.
    There’s a recent hindu nationalist exercise known as ‘Out of India’, claiming ancient india was in fact ancestral home to the ‘aryans’ and europeans are actually their descendents.
    For your entertainment:
    Some crackpot hindus like a certain P.N.Oak claimed
    **Rome is actually ‘Rama’ http://romaisrama.blogspot.com/2014/08/
    **The grand ancient hindu superkingdom once included London
    **Jesus went to india and picked up buddhist/hindu ‘spirituality’
    …….
    My apology to the hinduwadis:
    ‘Out of India’ is not categorically entirely incorrect;gypsies and australian natives came from the sub-continent.
    https://www.nationalgeographic.com.au/australia/four-thousand-years-ago-indians-landed-in-australia.aspx

    • Replies: @Reuben Kaspate
  26. Can’t be bothered reading about “HBD” when the author assumes the reader knows what this stands for. I don’t. WGASA.

  27. Tyrion 2 says:

    From what I have read, the Bantu expansion only reached its limits on the African continent within the last few centuries. Wouldn’t that, by itself, suffice as an explanation for Sub-Saharan under-development? At least up to the under-development that can be seen after the retreat of the Western powers?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  28. Franz says:

    Mr. Durocher: Noticing an odd thing here, probably not a coincidence.

    From your Egyptian link in paragraph 8:

    we find that the ancient Egyptians are more closely related to all modern and ancient European populations…

    Actually this was adumbrated by Ryan and Pittman years ago (argued in their book Noah’s Flood). Somewhat before DNA testing was quite up to it, they noted:

    a. The Black Sea flood of 5400 BC created a huge diaspora of people from that area.

    b. After the freshwater became salt water, the many of these people would have moved southward and eastward, into Mesopotamia and the Nile Valley. It almost certainly took a long time, hence the distance between 5600 BC and the early stages of civilization in the “new” lands.

    c. Likely they were European in the main, Iranian/Aryan or whatever the current jargon calls them. The would have spoken languages mostly lost to us; hence the difficulty in making sense of even such “history” as they left behind. The base of most current European languages came later.

    d. But art and folklore tell a tale: Most striking is how the people of the Nile Valley used cats as a symbol for “energy” (this later devolved to a sort of voodoo worship). People in pre-Christian Europe used cats the same way, one (of many) examples was the Norse Goddess Freya riding in a chariot pulled by cats.

    Historians such as Emory were saying this sort of thing early, that the founders of the civilizations were essentially Europeans, but he wasn’t sure from where. Dates for the Black Sea flood came much later, but it comes in handy to know there was a huge diaspora from those ancient times, and it caused much of the history that came later.

    Egyptian-born historian Ahmed Osman said much the same: The modern population came to be after the Persian conquest, when many outsiders were forced in by the conquistadors to multiply the crop yields in the Nile Delta, and let Egyptian wheat feed much of the empire.

    Just as Europeans will be forgotten after they are “enriched” out of their homelands, the builders of the ancient civilizations have pretty much been forgotten too. And the excuse is the same one the Persians used: We need workers!

    Be good to know what the bottom of the Black Sea could tell us, if it could talk.

  29. ” It takes a lot less social trust and intelligence to maintain an impoverished dictatorship than it does a wealthy social democracy.”

    The Social Democracy is nothing more than a phase of dissipating the wealth accumulated over centuries of being a high-trust society working for the common good. The Nordics are toast on their present course.

    To be frank, it takes a lot of trust to down weapons long enough to lay in enough provisions for the group and their neighbouring groups to survive the long, harsh winters, and there was also little opportunity for a leisure class to develop fine arts and sciences, both of which were possible in warmer climes where the population’s efforts could be channeled into a broader array of activities.

  30. Pedro says:

    HBD matters, amongst other factors.

  31. neutral says:
    @obwandiyag

    Blacks are the most inferior race on the planet, the evidence is overwhelming. Even Jared Diamonds desperate attempt to defend his racial equality ideology with his east west axis theories does not work, the Incas could build pyramids in the jungle and create writing systems, blacks could achieve absolutely nothing in every type of climate south of the Sahara.

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @neutral
  32. so what would happen if we project this froward when AI, automation, modern energy forms conquer the 3rd world. will they, the third world rise up and allow themselves to peak at the right time to beat everyone else.
    Hunter gatherer- cultivation – herding- fishingp sailing – benefits of geography – rise and falls, repeats a few good times – advances in tech – printing- gunpowder – knowledge economy – geography- small states with very levels of competition – voyages of discovery – colonization – retreat – computers-aircraft- a bomb – electricty – refigerations – modern medecine – population explaosion now in the 3rd world – automation – robotics- local manufacture and very tought environment – extreme competition for survival – third world rises up.

    I missed out a few steps in between – but you should get the idea of my intent.

  33. TKK says:
    @Brabantian

    Do you include their rigid and strangling caste system as an enlightened cultural good?

    • Replies: @Reuben Kaspate
  34. Anon[224] • Disclaimer says:

    HBD?

    Even Google doesn’t know.

    A sloppy abbreviation for Happy Birthday?

    A gene that encodes hemoglobin?

    An item mentioned in this very article in Unz Review?

    A lot of time could have been saved by referring to the total content of the article as X. Insiders would know right away. That’s what counts, isn’t it?

    • Replies: @Pericles
  35. HBD
    Hell Boy Dumb

    What the is HBD?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  36. padre says:

    It is interesting, how ancient Greeks can come to the resque, when you need them, otherviese, they are just stupid lot, but when you try to make euroipeans advanced, you can allways use them!

  37. anon[393] • Disclaimer says:
    @obwandiyag

    He doesn’t argue that whites are superior to everyone else that’s obvious, hes pondering why some whites exceeded other whites during various periods and environments.

  38. @anonymous coward

    Christ and the Buddha have literally nothing in common, their philosophies are polar opposites in every respect.

    Here’s a quick commonality: Nobody knew either existed while they lived and both were only written about after their death – written about by people who never knew them.

    You little zealots of that fictionalized Old Testament are annoying and an embarrassment to the white race. Buddhists are cool and don’t embarrass their own race by rejecting their natural history for a faulty history text of another race.

    Anyone who interweb searches “Comparisons between Christ and Buddha” will further learn your opined fallacy is without legitimacy, as fallacy most often is.

    I’d like to insult you more, which would be against Buddha’s and Christ’s teachings, but I have breakfast tacos to run out and get.

  39. anonymous[389] • Disclaimer says:
    @Brabantian

    the progressive, rich paganism of ancient India

    That was quite puke inducing… one of the reasons being, what you choose to obfuscate.

    The “rich paganism” which you so highly talk about is a spiritual pestilence on mankind. The fact that the faith is only palatable to those born into it, implying the high level of brainwashing which is required to sustain it, is ample proof of its batshit craziness.

    For those who are clueless about this “rich paganism,” you can start off by considering the following;

    1. Rapist and generally ultra-horny deities. E.g. Vishnu’s rape of Tulsi.
    http://www.jaisiyaram.com/blog/religion/18145-when-gods-rape-effect-of-hindu-mythology-on-today-s-society-3-nov-14.html

    2. Gay and androgynous deities. Shiva and Vishnu birthing another deity, Ayyappa.


    Homosexuality has never been considered a crime in Hindu culture. In fact, Lord Ayyappa was born of Hari-Hara (Vishnu & Shiva).

    3. Worship of the Phallus and Vagina. They are known as Lingam and Yoni in India.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lingam

    4. Worship of some devilish creature.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kali

    And, so on.

    If this “rich paganism” is not the Heights of Godlessness, I am not sure what is.

  40. @ThereisaGod

    Can’t be bothered reading about “HBD” when the author assumes the reader knows what this stands for.

    I agree. Damned annoying. I guess we’re supposed to think the author is “hip” or something, but I’m not impressed.

  41. anonymous[389] • Disclaimer says:
    @joe webb

    Well we invented free speech, democratic assemblies, rule of law…and other trivialities.

    You are being too modest.

    Anyway, for those like you who exult much in your worldly “successes,” I would like to provide these verses for your subliminal consideration;

    For those who respond to their Lord (monotheists), are (all) good things. But those who respond not to Him (pagan polytheists),- Even if they had all that is in the heavens and on earth, and as much more, (in vain) would they offer it for ransom. For them will the reckoning be terrible: their abode will be Hell,- what a bed of misery! (Surah Ar-Ra‘d, 18)

    • Replies: @joe webb
  42. I’m fascinated by the Igbo people. Does anyone know of any good books or articles about them and their history? Has anyone ever seen an average IQ estimate on them?

    • Replies: @Truth
  43. Truth says:
    @neutral

    the Incas could build pyramids in the jungle and create writing systems, blacks could achieve absolutely nothing….

    https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/meroe-pyramids-sudan-photography

    • Replies: @Wally
  44. @Tyrion 2

    Would you care to spell out your argument. It is not entirely clear what causal links you see.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  45. Truth says:
    @joe webb

    Well we invented free speech, democratic assemblies, rule of law…and other trivialities.

    We being Greeks, Germans, and Romans, and then do not overlook even the Vikings with regard to free speech, etc.

    Now admittedly my memory is starting to fail me, but if I remember correctly, you didn’t achieve jack shite other than telling some convicts in orange suits where to eat and when to take a shit.

  46. @Abdul Alhazred

    I thought you must be trolling but you are acquired of all but innopcent ignorance as my Googling HBD didn’t give the answer. It stands for Human Biodiversity and entails study of the biological as distinct from psychological or sociological differences between groups of people.

  47. Truth says:
    @Chaotic Neutral

    Great! Fun fact:

    “Igbo” comes from “Heeboe” which (as one theory goes) is a derivative of “Hebrew.”

    • Agree: Tyrion 2
  48. @ThereisaGod

    HBD means Human Bio Diversity, a “political correct” term for the scientific study of human races. For a good introduction, see :
    https://hbdchick.wordpress.com/…/what-is-human-biodiversity/

  49. @anonymous

    The gods of the ancient Greeks were no paragons of sexual morality either.

  50. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    As long as there is more land over there, there isn’t necessity to do something more, and necessity is the mother of all invention.

    It is Nicholas Wade’s book with a caveat. He implies that certain peoples never reached their Malthusian limit and therefore never evolved certain “higher” functions, in general.

    This is an interesting point, but then it begs the reply that if they never reached that limit how can one tell they don’t have a higher function?

    Bantu peoples are not the world’s oldest peoples but actually the newest. The Africa thing confuses the issue.

    Indeed, the all but inevitable vast Bantu out-migration from Africa may well end up being seen, through the clarity of 20 20 hindsight, as part of the long Bantu expansion. That is, since about 0BC to 1900AD they grew to populate the whole of Sub-Saharan Africa and from 2000 they grew to the rest of the world.

    I mean that is all but guaranteed unless the peoples of Europe can decide that they prefer nations and historical continuity to short-term virtue signaling and easy Labour.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  51. @anonymous

    You are just terrified of male sexuality and a frigid femmyshit. The Christian Church, Islam and Judaism are the #1 sex offenders globally.

  52. @obwandiyag

    Blacks may have invented little (or nothing) at least they have invented their own invention myths :

    https://www.counter-currents.com/…/black-history-month-special-…

    Or did they invent not even that ?

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  53. Tyrion 2 says:
    @anonymous

    Rapist and generally ultra-horny deities. E.g. Vishnu’s rape of Tulsi.

    Vishnu raped my favourite Democratic politician? I don’t like this Vishnu.

    • Replies: @Reuben Kaspate
  54. jim jones says:

    Can you build an internal combustion engine using the principles found in the Bhagavad-Gita?

    • Replies: @Reuben Kaspate
    , @Polemos
  55. @Lin

    You’re not an impartial observer… apparently, you have an ax to grind. Your Chinese natute is coming out through and through egged on by the madarins in the Forbidden Palace. At least, India, with all its faults, isn’t, I repeat, is not, a glutton for punishment, which chopsuey China is and that severe setback is coming, rather sooner than later. Stay tuned!

    • Replies: @Lin
  56. @TKK

    He obviously doesn’t… try to read the post more thoroughly before start tapping the keys!

  57. @Tyrion 2

    In the Grand Canyon, there is a Vishnu peak… you should write to the Department of Interior to have the name removed. You seem a lot more erudite than those who named it!

  58. @Peter Frost

    Regarding the proposed decline in middle eastern IQ, don’t discount the mixing with lower IQ populations from more southerly regions as a possible dilutional effect on middle eastern IQs since the high period of classical Islamic civilization. My hypothesis is that the average iq of elites in the classical Arab civilization was more similar to that of Lebanese or Jews.

  59. @anonymous coward

    You are absolutely right about Jesus not having to do with Budda… JC believed in an eye for an eye, just like rabbis of his time. You tell them like it is!

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  60. “What’s more, the point is also that Iraq’s poor human capital and ethno-religious divisions meant the country was particularly susceptible to the dictatorship of some clan and to ethno-religious civil war, whether fomented by hostile outsiders or not.)”

    Another point is that the US inflicted the same or worse devastation on Germany in Ww2, and Germany bounced almost right back.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  61. @Brabantian

    The ten minute video is from Peter Brooks’ rendering of the Hindoo epic… he ought to be mentioned.

    • Replies: @Brás Cubas
  62. Wally says:
    @Truth

    Prove that blacks built those.

    • Replies: @Truth
  63. Wally says:
    @Curmudgeon

    Except that Hitler did not do what is alleged of him and there is no proof that he did.
    Pretty simple stuff.

    It’s amazing how easy it is to debunk liars, just ask them for proof.

    http://www.codoh.com

  64. @Svigor

    Getting circumcised standing buck naked by two black men… now I know how Jussie Smollett felt working with the two buffed up Nigerians!

  65. Wally says:
    @obwandiyag

    Maybe I missed it, but where do you live?

    And which countries are all these dumb, low IQ blacks & browns trying to get into?
    Certainly not other black & brown majority countries.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  66. @Peter Frost

    What makes one think that the Ottoman progress wasn’t “stolen” from others, who may not have been as aggressive as the Turks? Just look at China! It certainly is marching forward rapidly on the back of American/European (White) progress of the last five centuries…

    And the higher intelligence and unique disorders of Ashkenazi should alert the world that those people aren’t from the Levant, however spurious the claim to return to the Promised Land!

  67. @Nadelstich

    It’s to those who can’t achieve orgasm… perhaps that explains the thriving porn industry. Maybe, the Kamasutta is the way out…

  68. neutral says:
    @neutral

    Correction, I meant the Aztecs.

  69. @Intelligent Dasein

    Not necessarily! On rear occasion whenever I walk into Barnes and Noble store in the Union Square, I see stacks of new releases, which are voluminous in their bulk and verbosity; however, those books contain less important information than two of my favorite volumes: The Prince by Niccolo Machiavelli and the Federalist Papers by by Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, and John Jay. What explains it? In a word, substance. And, the substance here in question isn’t exegesis on the genesis of the New Testament but the fact that both preached non-violence in the face of a determined enemy…

  70. @Chaotic Neutral

    The US toroughly occupied them and did so for many yeard. They also continued to invest massive amounts of money into it. They also didnt continuosky fund enemy groups of Germany. Germaby was aldo first world and had the suff, iraq did not

  71. @joe webb

    I read them last year but I would take the Iliad and the Odyssey every time…

    • Replies: @joe webb
  72. @Wally

    🙁 We are not blavks stop grouping us with tgem

  73. Lin says:
    @Reuben Kaspate

    “You’re not an impartial observer… apparently, you have an ax to grind. Your Chinese natute is coming out through and through egged on by the madarins in the Forbidden Palace. At least, India, with all its faults, isn’t, I repeat, is not, a glutton for punishment, which chopsuey China is and that severe setback is coming, rather sooner than later. Stay tuned!..”
    ……….
    Hahah…I laugh my butt off
    **The tone of the above exactly shows your own impartiality period.
    First of all, I’m a long time observer of Bharat and I know what I’m talking about and as a careful poster, I always try to back up my claims with some sources and I’m no propagandist in the sense I don’t push exceptions as norm. If I need to quote something,I would try to find it from prominent figures like prime ministers or well informed people. And I don’t believe in racial IQ
    ………..
    At least, India, with all its faults, isn’t, I repeat, is not, a glutton for punishment“?
    I suggest you should trust the judgment of Mr. Singh the former indian prime minister
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/dec/28/india.mainsection
    …………………
    chopsuey China is and that severe setback is coming, rather sooner than later. Stay tuned..”
    Such ‘china is collapsing’ thingie has been around for decades. I think I can write a short article on ‘ History of Chinese Economical Collapse
    By the way, in 1999, poor China’s nominal GDP was only US$0.99 trillion and increased to nominal US$10.1 trillions in 2014,ie within 15 yrs. Not much, china is still poor but we came a long way. It would be even better if you can keep telling me the Chinese gov cheated on the stats or Chinese are copycats not innovative or US investments is the engine of Chinese progress
    ……..
    To summarise:
    –China met geopolitical Darwinist challenges head on, survives, still poor but improving…
    –Chinese had the guts to critically examine Chinese civilization retrospectively. The writer Lu Xun (of whom Mao was a fan)called Confucius morality ‘cannibalism’. Excessive though it may sound,
    WE have the spirit
    –Mr. Modi told us ancient Bharat was so advanced in science that the hindu elephant God Ganesh was the result of Transplanting an elephant head to a human torso.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/28/indian-prime-minister-genetic-science-existed-ancient-times

    • Replies: @Reuben Kaspate
  74. @anonymous

    “Homosexuality has never been considered a crime in Hindu culture.”

    And here we are with the Chief Justice Roberts, a practicing Christian, voting along three Jewish and a fellow Catholic for the right to same sex marriage…

    “Then they reminded Jesus that adultery was punishable by stoning under Mosaic law and challenged him to judge the woman so that they might then accuse him of disobeying the law. Jesus thought for a moment and then replied, “He that is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone at her.”

    • Replies: @Erebus
  75. APilgrim says:
    @VagabondTheElder

    Hey, SHIT4Brains,

    Matthew, John, & Simon Peter were close personal friends of Jesus of Nazareth. James was his younger, (half) brother.

    VagabondTheElder is a total, lying dumbass.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
    , @Kratoklastes
  76. @jim jones

    No, you cannot; however, neither can you build one using the Holy Bible or al Koran. The white man of Britain started the much ballyhooed Industrial Revolution not the goose stepping Nazis but that didn’t stop the Germans from catching up with the British while the white men reading the Bible still haven’t a clue in places like Romania and Portugal… What is your point?

  77. @Lin

    Thanks but no thanks for the wordy reply… I doubt very much that we will have a real burning hot war with India but I am near certain that we will with China. God bless (even though you’re commies) and good wishes but I can’t wish you good luck for the obvious reasons!

    • Replies: @Lin
    , @Lin
  78. @anonymous

    The Hindoos have at least one thing right: We are living in the age of Kali Yuga.

  79. Art says:

    Once again, an article on HBD comes up way short.

    It talks about human history in the last two thousand years and never once mentions Christianity.

    You can NOT be an honest historian and not talk about the Earth’s human history of the last two thousand years and not say “Christianity” once.

    HBD has a glaring fault – it ignores the role, culture plays in describing who procreates. Humans do have choice – we have a consciousness about what is best for the future.

    Christianity plays a major role in intellectually advocating cooperation between people. Christianity provides the intellectual tools needed for human cooperation. Europe’s cooperative culture didn’t happen overnight – but it did happen. And it happened because of Christian idealism.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Franklin Ryckaert
  80. Lin says:
    @Reuben Kaspate

    “I doubt very much that we will have a real burning hot war with India but I am near certain that we will with China..”
    One thing: The yanks see size(military,economical, tech…) as enemy, regardless its communist USSR or capitalist Japan which is under US military control. Many didn’t know that before WW I,the country US most likely to go to war with was actually the British Empire.
    ….
    China has crossed that threshold of hate/hostility from US ever since the Korean war.
    India has not reached that critical mass to make US feel uneasy and actually india is seen as a pawn of US strategy to contain China as well as a big market for expensive US weapons. OF course it depends on the hindu psychology whether as a pawn of US is a gratifying thing.
    …………
    India is probably the most complicated country on earth. Some examples:
    –India has good agricultural potential but average Indians have poor diet and the most mind-boggling thing is I read india has recently became the 6th biggest net food exporter on earth.
    –According to this Harvard professor of economics, india is blessed with a huge population and will become a superior race through some kind of cosmic energy.
    http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/a-new-economic-agenda/article5944375.ece
    –Hard to find reliable india employment and popn stats

  81. To juxtapose two quotes from the article:

    “… nations then converge to the natural level predicted by their level of social trust and intelligence”

    only if left alone. If not, then what takes over is that

    “socio-culturally superior barbarians have invaded and conquered “advanced” civilizations again and again. Today, more “primitive” peoples, still adhering to God and traditional family values, are simply outbreeding and physically replacing sterile Westerners”

    Even without barbarians invading, the comfortable industrialized lifestyle is severely detrimental to the gene pool that created it. The question is what an equilibrium would look like. Given that a certain level of industrialism can be maintained, being relieved from the daily struggle to survive makes dumb people behave as under the ecological conditions present in the tropics – Africa. African populations exhibit promiscuous mating behavior, a high birth rate, low investment in child rearing and strong, impulsive males that can compete on the sexual market. We are seeing all these tendencies in the Western world save the high birth rate. Women have many sex partners and they prefer alphas, actually depriving betas of sex. The birth rate will eventually increase since the proclivity to have children is highly heritable. So, if those Europeans who do have many children are not denied this possibility, then they will eventually dominate. They are also often of the dumber variety. White Africa will have arrived.

    Seeing the world as a gigantic Middle East 2.0 appears more plausible, though. The Middle East is, or rather was, fertile but not quite tropic, and it was inhabited by a competing mix of medium-to-high IQ people. This environment favored group selection through ethno-centrism. We all know which group displayed the most extreme form of ethno-centrism and eventually won out. Here the prediction would still be similar to the White Africa hypothesis. The difference would be that surviving Whites, if any, would require a high degree of ethno-centrism to have survived in the first place.

  82. Anne Lid says:

    The Dissident Right proudly presents … Human Biodiversity!
    https://archive.org/details/youtube-JWzjn0N9g4g

  83. Lin says:
    @Reuben Kaspate

    BTW, obviously you are a hindu American trying to leverage certain aspects of hindu culture/’spirituality’ as ‘soft power’.

    • Replies: @Reuben Kaspate
  84. @Reuben Kaspate

    Jesus believed in the forgiving of sins, exactly the opposite of the eye for an eye ideology of the Pharisees.

    • Replies: @Reuben Kaspate
  85. Jared says: • Website

    I agree that this is a epic fail in writing and the editing staff. Going on and on about HBD with nothing approaching any explanation. Yes Google can be shit but really people are stupid for never coming across this. Written by idiots or snobs for idiots and snobs. I want my wasted time on this back please.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  86. Rich says:
    @Truth

    You were very poorly educated if you believe only the English and the Americans entered the industrial world on their own. All of Europe was involved, the Germans and the French were right up there with the Brits and other European nations were close behind.

    • Replies: @Truth
  87. Truth says:
    @Wally

    Aaaaah, Daniel-San, prove that they didn’t!

    • Replies: @Wally
  88. joe webb says:
    @anonymous

    Our White “successes” of free speech, etc. are what makes us great, and fosters all the technical, scientific, and maybe more importantly, our Sensibility that creates great art, music, etc, etc, etc. and livable societies…including elections that keep the peace. Elections only work when there is substantial agreement on basics. Right now, the criminal races are destroying us……our liberals who enable and promote them are the biggest problematic.

    Only a superior brain amongst superior (aristocratic) relative equals can come up with what the West achieved. It is that simple. The rest is savagery and totalitarianism.

    Religion is important…Christianity is the best religion out there. People need religion. OK fine.
    But Free Speech is the Result of a cascade of virtues and attitudes, etc. more important than religion.
    Joe Webb

  89. @Lin

    The only thing that needs to be leveraged in an overwhelmingly White-Christian society is the Christianity… can your inscrutable mind wrap around that?

    • Replies: @Lin
  90. utu says:
    @Art

    HBDism and IQism is primitive reductive ideology. They have no room for Christianity in their narrative because it would require a nuanced thinking they are not capable of.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Art
  91. Asagirian says: • Website

    The only HBD that matters is blacks are breeding like crazy, and they are coming to the West.

    As the tougher and more aggressive race, this is the future for white males: wussy cuckery.

  92. Truth says:
    @Rich

    All piggybacked the Brits, inventions and techniques so as was written on their own they did not industrialize

    https://www.mtholyoke.edu/courses/rschwart/hist255/la/industrialization.html

    • Replies: @Rich
  93. RJJCDA says:

    In U.S. it used to be said that the states were the socio-cultural laboratory of the country. A reason why separate and ethnically distinct nations are invaluable for the species today and in the future. Paraphrase of Solzhenitsyn: “The nations are the wealth of mankind, each with its own divine facets.”

  94. RJJCDA says:

    By the way, can anyone name a “civilization” which was not spawned, developed, grown to maturity and its pinnacle which was not a patriarchy?

    And I mean a great culture and civilization, not short-lived micro cultures in Borneo, the Amazon, and Lesbos.

  95. Corvinus says:

    “The same cannot be said for Sub-Saharan Africans (despite contact with Europe, the Middle East, and even India), Australian Aborigines, or Amerindians (although to be fair to Amerindians, they had far less time, a smaller population base, and were isolated, and still created basic civilizations).”

    Some would argue that since this important innovation was not found throughout Africa, it is a sign of intellectual weakness. Wheeled vehicles appear in late 400 B.C., near simultaneously in Meso-potamia and Central Europe. The wheel and axle was barely used in Sub-Saharan Africa (except Ethiopia and Somalia) until colonial powers arrived in the 19th century. Though not independently invented, the wheel was known to African societies.

    Why was it not adopted? Reasonably, it was not perceived to largely increase efficiency, considering this region had no drought animals (until European contact) or lack of suitable terrain in dense forests and mountainous areas. Where systems of slavery and forced labor were prevalent, it may also have reduced incentives to upgrade labor efficiency.

    So why did it take some parts of Africa longer use the wheel for travel? To a number of groups of people, they already had efficient means like the canoe. For instance, in the desert, riding on a camel may be better than being pulled on a carriage. Its height makes it less suitable for drought purposes than oxen, but from perhaps 1000 B.C. it was used in Asia and North Africa for drawing wagons and for plowing.

    “Genetically-influenced intellectual ability and temperament are a major factor in civilizational development (chimps do not build pyramids, you may have noticed), but there are obviously many other ones too. The most obvious would be climate, population density, and communication.”

    Of course, you are missing the environmental component here. In South America, the wheel and axle appear in sculpture and toys, but were not applied to transport. Lacking a suitable beast of burden here posed a limitation on the usefulness of any cart, and even following the introduction of the horse by the Spanish, the travois for tribal groups in North America was lighter and easier to assemble for a nomadic people.

    Even today pack animals have been used in places like Colorado in preference to wheeled carts. As for the native Australians, there was no beast of burden, there was unsuitable terrain, and the nomadic lifestyle produced no incentive to make use of rollers or wheels. It is like asking why the Swiss never developed a catamaran, or why intensive cultivation of rice never took place outside of Asia.

    Inventions must fulfill an urgent need if they are to gain widespread use. Their absence is to be expected if new technology introduced is deemed other than important. Jared Diamond notes that Africa and the Americas were predominantly hunter-gather societies living in an environment where wild game was plentiful, edible plants grew prolifically, and the climate was moderate. There was no incentive to change what was an idyllic lifestyle.

    “The fact is that ancient civilizations generally did not require a very high degree of social trust or intelligence to achieve”

    That would be your opinion, not fact.

  96. hitler was right about everything .
    the new dna studies have proved that aryans really existed and gave form to the ancient world
    Hittites, andronovo ,srubnaya , scythians , dorians, latins, mycenians ,tocharians , afasanievo , sintashta….
    They literally built the ancient world if you exclude china .
    Even place like egypt there are redhead r1b( yamnaya) pharaoh in the moment of max expansion and prosperity of the country in the new kingdom time ( the rest of periods is native)
    At the same time in israel the king david founder of israel is described as redhead in the jewish archives.
    And there were only two races described as redhead tocharians and scythians .

    Yamnaya ( pure aryans) had a brain volume of 1470ccc compared to 1300 ccc of the anatolian farmer , today european are around 1370 ccc and is evident what part of europe work better ,the one with more aryan admixture
    From sardinians
    To greeks
    Italian and spaniards
    British and french
    Germans
    Scandinavians
    The correlation between the well being of the country and aryan admixture is nearly total if you exclude the slavs that were not submited to the same civilizational process as the rest .

    If norwegian being only half aryans are one of the best countries to live in the world imagine a pure aryan country ….

  97. there is only a way forward to all mutted aryan around the world indians iranians and europeans embracing technology to purificate ourself to be what we once were
    We are angels mixed with mortals embrace aryan transhumanism to reclaim our legitimate throne in this world., thats the only way

  98. Also fighting for who is more aryan indians , iranians or europeans is waste of time all of us are fallen angels mixed with mortals , the important thing is that we recognize what make us great ( aryan ancestry) and putt all our energies to purificate ourself to achieve the legendary status of our common ancestors.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  99. @Svigor

    Ah yes, MUH DIC washers! Whites were always “KANGZ”!

    • Troll: BengaliCanadianDude
  100. @Tyrion 2

    Thanks. And, so we are on the same page, why was it the Bantu who did the 1900 year expansion? Amongst alternatives I hastily conceive of were the Nilotics.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  101. Anon[222] • Disclaimer says:
    @utu

    What about street-smartism? Can this guy be for real:
    https://hhrecny.org/view-speakers/sami-steigmann/

    He was in labor camp in Transnitria 41-44, when he was all of three years old, AND subject to Nazi experimentation. How would a high IQ knowledgeable person go about debunking him?

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  102. @Art

    Yes besides biology (and thus race, which is the source of not only physical but also mental differences between populations) also culture (and thus also religion which is mostly the source of moral and cultural values) plays an important role in human development. Thus describing the development of white people without mentioning the influence of Christianity seems not complete. But we have to keep in mind that the non-Christian Greeks and Romans attained a high level of civilization of their own and that contemporary non-white Christian peoples don’t have a civilization equal to Christian Whites. Explanatory is the interaction of culture and race.

    • Replies: @Art
  103. Corvinus says:
    @Aryan transhumanist

    “the important thing is that we recognize what make us great ( aryan ancestry) and putt all our energies to purificate ourself to achieve the legendary status of our common ancestors.”

    I cannot help but be drawn to your clown show. Now, what happens when we willingly choose to take our own path? In other words, what is your course of action?

    “We are angels mixed with mortals embrace aryan transhumanism to reclaim our legitimate throne in this world., thats the only way”

    You do not own anyone here. There is no “throne” to reclaim, and it assuredly is other than legitimate.

  104. Iris says:
    @obwandiyag

    ” Sub-Saharan Africans, despite contact with others and being around the longest, have virtually never done so”

    This article is actually an indictment of the author’s IQ and general culture. It is a brilliant demonstration that people who brag most about IQ are often the less intelligent.

    In 1954, Cheikh Anta Diop, a physicist and historian from Senegal studying in Paris issued a seminal work called “Black Nations and Culture”, where he produced very rich historic evidence of Ancient Egypt’s civilisation having been established by Black population from Nubia.

    His thesis were adopted as the official historic body of knowledge of the Unesco during the 1974 Cairo symposium.

    His original works, written in French, are a mine of startling and smart deductions. They are highly interesting, a world-class intellectual production. (The English version is unfortunately abridged).

    I have avidly read “Nations negres et cultures”, one of the best anthropology and history book that exists. For people like Durocher and Karlin who are so busy insulting entire ethnic groups they have no time to educate themselves, I advise a trip to the British Museum in London, Egyptology section. It is free !!!

    Upon opening ones eyes and removing one’s ideological blinkers, one can see without any problem that all Ancient Egyptian characters are black, brown, and other nuances of Sub-Saharan skin colours.

    And no, I am not a black person.
    I am just sickened to see alleged “dissident thinkers” happily play the Zionist game of “Divide and rule”.

  105. @Aryan transhumanist

    Transhumanism is dehumanisation of humans through technology. If that is your ideal…

    • Replies: @Aryan transhumanist
  106. Iris says:
    @Svigor

    “If we’re doing the full disclosure bit, the Hebrews stole almost everything in their religion from the Persians, Egyptians”

    According to Sigmund Freud, the Hebrews even stole monotheism, their main trademark and alleged principal contribution to humankind from Black Egyptians, and from Pharaoh Akhenaton in particular.

    In a very convincing book called ” Moses and Monotheism”, Sigmund Freud produces a demonstration that the tribe of Levites probably originates in followers of Akhenaton, the first monotheist recorded in history. Akhenaton’s religious revolution was crushed in blood by the priests’ class , his followers survived by fleeing to Palestine.

  107. @Corvinus

    Embrace our true roots , our true identity
    Once that happen everything will evolve naturally .
    The same way we rediscover our graeco romans roots in the reinassance the same thing will happen with our aryans roots , hitler was only a prophet of what is to came like cristianity needed hundred of years to gain the europeans hearts the same will happen with aryanism with the difference that this is our true roots.
    This world was built by aryans since the first time they spread from the steppe thousands of years ago building the ancient world, the rest are nothing more than side notes of history

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  108. Seraphim says:
    @Svigor

    Nothing from Perun, Dazhbog, Svibog? What a pity.

  109. @Franklin Ryckaert

    Only without compass , transhumanism embracing our true roots, honouring our ancestors and purificating ourself to became what we once were would be the ideal.
    Let our human part behind to became ARYANS

  110. @Jared

    And the time that you wasted commenting on it.

  111. Iris says:
    @FvS

    Posting a link to articles to articles refuting afrocentrism, really ???

    Wow, I am impressed, your formidable intellectual effort is on par with this grotesque article written by country-bumpkins.

    Bande de pauvres ploucs.

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @FvS
  112. Seraphim says:
    @anonymous

    The ‘rich paganism’ entails such ‘purifying’ and ‘liberating’ rituals like wallowing in shit-rich waters of the Ganges and actual scatophagy. It is so close to ‘nature’ and the matter abundant all around. Very ‘inspiring’.

  113. Seraphim says:
    @Anon

    He isn’t real. The Transnistrian camps were administered by the Romanians (and they were transit camps for the Jews willing to go to Palestine) and no medical ‘experimentations’ ever occurred and that’s why he ‘cannot remember anything’. The Jews have been was evacuated by the Romanian and the German army back to Romania before the Red Army ‘liberated’ it and that’s why he grew up in Transylvania.

  114. A black Muslim female did this:

    What are all those crackers in congress doing? Loving me some Ilhan Omar. Screw you haters. She’s doing what no cracker dare do. I’ll take the Muslim over the bloodthirsty warmongering thieving Zionists and cracker sellouts any day.

    But many here probably still think Jesus was a bleach skinned white dude like they see on teevee so they can’t believe that Africans could have built those rock churches in Ethiopia. Prove it!

    You say they’re lazy and worthless? What does that say about you and your ancestors that brought them here to do the work they didn’t want to do?

    Check out this video by Know more news on cracker Trumps new “free speech” exc. order. Not good!

    • Agree: renfro
  115. Seraphim says:
    @APilgrim

    These ‘vagabonds’ play the cynics a la Diogene, they masturbate in public to shock the ‘zealots’. Too frequent masturbation enfeebles the brain.

  116. FvS says:

    Durocher – “Northern Europe’s case also fits quite well with some HBD models: a people operating in an environment so harsh that it most selects for certain traits (trust and adherence-to-values especially, but also intelligence), while also retarding civilizational development. No contradiction there.”

    It’s amazing that this is so hard for some people to grasp.

  117. Truth says:
    @Iris

    I don’t know if it’s even “on par.”

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  118. Lin says:
    @Reuben Kaspate

    “The only thing that needs to be leveraged in an overwhelmingly White-Christian society is the Christianity… can your inscrutable mind wrap around that?”
    ….
    IMO,you put the pivot at probably the wrong place. Obviously you intend to put Hinduism in the same lever arm as Christianity(seeking common ground); For a hindu American like you that seems the natural way but that wouldn’t work as traditional Christianity has a fully developed set of apologetics against religions like Hinduism.
    (I’m a Christian of alternative conviction but I don’t belong to any congregation/’religion’)
    Religions will not go away but will face enormous challenge in the decades to come particularly in the face of A.I. advances; How does uploading the memory of the dying sinners into a cyber-paradise inside a super-computer sound like,eh? Jesus,Buddha…will be welcome as guests of honor to such paradise. I advice you try to dig up some facets of hindu ‘spirituality’ to fit into such scenario, hahaha..
    ………
    Might be it’s hard to convince a hinduwadis to go ‘pseudo-secular'(if one uses a BJP term)

    • Replies: @Reuben Kaspate
  119. @redmudhooch

    Jews were the ones who promoted diversity by Leftist strategies to put Omar as a Somalian female in a position of authority…and of course she has immediately repaid them.

    So they created a Golem with no gratitude.

    Happened in France to. Leftist immigration policies resulted in Muslim-besieged Jews fleeing the country who voted for Sarkozy.

    Muslims who benefit from Leftist Democratic attempts to place them in power will mindlessly turn on the Jews in particular.

  120. @Truth

    GENTLEMEN

    I’ve been to Cairo. Maadi, specifically. Egyptians appear to be Arabs and speak Arabic. Classical Egypt was highly developed around the Greek port town of Alexandria.

    So how could this be African? Wouldn’t Arabic be more accurate?

    • Replies: @Truth
  121. 4 legs good 2 legs bad
    4 legs good 2 legs bad
    4 legs good 2 legs bad
    black stupid white smart

  122. Polemos says:
    @jim jones

    Following the principles of the Bhagavad Gita, you won’t need an internal combustion engine. You will understand what this universe is and that anywhere you want to drive to is someplace you already are. Krishna has always already driven you there.

    • Replies: @Lin
  123. @Iris

    Afrocentrism, the attempt to prove that the ancient Egyptians were black and that thus black Africans were capable of creating a high civilization, is a pathetic attempt at compensating a racial inferiority complex. It is based on the fallacy that “all Africans are black”, while in reality North Africans are Caucasians, though there has occured some admixture with Blacks especially in Egypt. Modern Egyptians are for 20% Black but in ancient times that was not so, which is clearly visible from the way they pictured themselves. See here a picture of an ancient Egyptian :

    Now ask yourself, is this woman with her straight narrow nose, thin lips and absence of prognathism Black or Caucasian ? There are pictures of Blacks in ancient Egyptian art, but always as slaves.

    North Africans are Hamitic speaking Caucasians who originally came from the Middle East. Where they live in isolated areas, they still have maintained the purity of their blood and you can find such specimens as this Kabyle woman from Algeria :

    But according to “genius” Cheikh Anta Diop this woman is Black, which “proves” his thesis.

    • Replies: @Iris
  124. @redmudhooch

    East Africans are for 45% mixed with Caucasian blood, with Hamites in the case of Somalians and with Semites in the case of Ethiopians. And yes the (Christian) Ethiopians have created some cultural monuments, crude in comparison with that of full Whites, but of a far higher quality as that of full Blacks, such as seen in the ruins of Zimbabwe.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
    , @Truth
  125. Lin says:
    @Polemos

    “In June, thousands of schools in Gujarat were given textbooks by Mr Batra that claimed cars were invented in ancient India . …. ”
    The truth is that historically we have been a far superior race.”
    according to Professor Y Sudershan Rao, the head of the Indian Council of Historical Research.

    https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/cars-and-planes-in-ancient-india-textbook-controversy-702895

  126. @Iris

    all Ancient Egyptian characters are black, brown, and other nuances of Sub-Saharan skin colours

    Judging from the supplied picture, in Egypt, green, brown and yellow people all lived together in harmony.

  127. @Franklin Ryckaert

    East Africans are more Omani than anything else. Oman was the seafaring nation of Arabia.

  128. FvS says:
    @Iris

    Afrocentrists are a joke, and Diop is the father of Afrocentrism. Barely worth any effort at all.

  129. Truth says:
    @jeff stryker

    Egyptians are mostly of mixed race. When I was in Kuwait or Bahrain everyone, by looking at me assumed that I was a GI and spoke to me in whatever level of English they had. In Lebanon, where the Aye-Rabs are quite white, they spoke to me in French thinking I was an African. In Egypt, everyone greeted me in Arabic.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  130. Truth says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Ethiopia is one of the poorest countries in Africa, and I believe has the lowest IQ. So much for that.

  131. Erebus says:
    @Reuben Kaspate

    Jesus thought for a moment and then replied, “He that is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone at her.”

    At which point the Virgin Mary picked up a rock and nailed the poor woman.

    “Mother”, said Jesus,”sometimes you really piss me off.”

    • Replies: @Reuben Kaspate
  132. webname says:

    As what I saw in the Egyptian pictures and some statues, I think ancient Egyptians are partially the ancestors of modern Asian (generally speaking they are shorter than the blacks and whites, their man are somewhat more tanned than their woman so they got two colors in brown). So the ancient Egyptian history would be somehow like: those ancient Egyptians lost their land and dominance to their neighbor Caucasians who inherit their Egypt, so they have to leave Africa and find a new home which is Asia where they also find their yellow relatives who arrived and settled earlier. This explains why some ancient Chinese bronze are made by the middle east materials, there are other thread: both two ancient cultures handwrites from up to down then right to left, dress in white during funerals, Chinese record about the ancient king before the first emperor march to the west for months and and years for an ancestor worship trip etc., there are many other traits could be found in a book I don’t know how to translate 《跨越三千年的因缘:揭示华夏文明起源的惊天秘密》.

    • Replies: @FvS
  133. Miro23 says:

    It takes a lot less social trust and intelligence to maintain an impoverished dictatorship than it does a wealthy social democracy.

    I wouldn’t say that there is a cast iron link to Social Democracy.

    Present day China isn’t a social democracy, but it produces plenty of technologists and excellent technological products. Same for National Socialist Germany in the 1930’s – 40’s. They were manufacturing and operating jet aircraft in WW2 and were highly skilled in new areas like radar and materials technology but they didn’t have a social democracy.

    At a basic level, social trust and intelligence seem to mean 1) making a environment where talented young people of all classes are encouraged, and challenged to succeed over many years, and rewarded and respected when they do. 2) make a unified society with absolute equality of opportunity (not outcome) i.e. a fair society that also works hard a creating good opportunities for the less intelligent – which after all, is most people.

    A collapsed society like the United States has no chance. It’s not unified, and has a hostile and exploitative dictatorial elite plus racial feuding and every kind of social pathology.

  134. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Probably an evolved disease immunity.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  135. A very fascinating article. I only regret that it did not come to my notice sooner.

    There is a detail that it touches upon that deserves to be treated carefully: namely that the achievements of the West are attributable to collective “whiteness”. They are not, or at least not in the facile manner that some people would believe.

    To make regretful borrowing of a term from the college campus, the idea of “whiteness”, of being “white” as we understand it today is a modern social construct of Anglo-American origin. This concept, as we understand it today, was largely formed in the aftermath of World War I. Hithert, there was a sense of “whites” versus “dark-colored/non-European peoples”, but pan-white solidarity was relatively rare.

    Had you told your average German or Austrian in 1905 that they were on the same team, so to speak, as the English, Irish, Russians, or Americans (as well as vice-versa), they would likely have been insulted. It was only when those same ethnicities immigrated to the Anglo-American world, purged their sense of ethnic identity for the sake of assimilation, then projected that faceless identity to the world that they could embrace each other and finally be “white”.

    But to claim that Thucydides, Plato, Boethius, Herodotus, Shakespeare, Goethe, Beethoven, Michelangelo, Wagner, Dostoyevsky, and heaven knows who else all conceived of themselves as belonging to and extolling the virtues of some ersatz brotherhood of “whiteness” is absurd. Again, “whiteness” and the whole notion of being “white” was a modern invention conceived in the anomie of Anglo-American society.

  136. Seraphim says:

    You cannot really not smile at the frequency of the ‘aristocracy’, ‘aristocratic freedom’, ‘aristocratic lifestyle’ labels applied to the virile, martial Indo-Europeans ‘Whites’ tempered in the frozen waters of the North. It may be just the sub-conscious desire of our own vanity to look ‘noble’ and ‘good (aristos), the secret desire for decorations, titles, and the goodies attached to them.

    But the truth is that the European ‘racism’ stems from the political thinking of the French Comte Henri de Boulainvilliers (1658-1722), scion of an impoverished family of the petty nobility, but with great pretensions, a dilettante philosopher, acerbic critic of the absolutism of the French Monarchy and extravagant admirer of the feudal system of the ancient ‘noblesse’ de France whose ‘decadence’ he deplored, decadence attributed to the promotion by the Kings to the ranks of aristocracy of the ‘ignobiles’ recruited from the lower ranks of society and which ‘diluted’ the original aristocracy..
    He ascribed the origin of the French ‘noblesse’ to the Germanic Franks conquerors of Gaule at the ‘fall of the Roman Empire’ and the origin of the ‘Tiers Etat’, to the subjugated populace to the ‘Gaulois’ and Romans. In Boulanvilliers system the Frankish aristocracy enslaved the Gauls by innate right of conquest, which even if morally injust has created right, which acquired the force of as ‘natural law’! Of course, the myth of the conquest of the decadent Rome by the martial Germanic warriors was debunked in his own time, but it is still religiously .
    He was suspected by his contemporaries to be a Spinozist and secret atheist. He was an admirer of Mahomed, but nevertheless he did not even hint at ‘paganism’.
    Despite all his scathing contempt for the ‘new nobility’ raised by Louis XIV, he married his daughter to the son of the recently ennobled Jewish financier of Louis XIV and Louis XV, Samuel Bernard, the richest man of his time (enriched mostly through the Slave trade). Bernard married all his children into the French aristocracy. The Marquis Anne Gabriel de Boulanvilliers, the grandson of Samuel Bernard and Henri de Boulainvilliers remains in France at the Revolution and swear the oath for ‘liberte et egalite’ and miraculously escape the guillotine during the Terreur. His domain, the Chateau de Passy or de Boulainvillires, remained untouched by the Revolution.

    • Replies: @apollonian
  137. Franz says:
    @Iris

    In 1954, Cheikh Anta Diop, a physicist and historian from Senegal studying in Paris issued a seminal work called “Black Nations and Culture”, where he produced very rich historic evidence of Ancient Egypt’s civilisation having been established by Black population from Nubia.

    This has been refuted hundreds of times since 1954.

    Remember the logical argument “This is Crete, jump here!” — It applies.

    Dynastic Egypt had wet chemistry, robust or even advanced math, a written language related to no black ethny, quite durable architecture, brilliant division of labor and a complex system of justice that allowed even peasants to petition the king directly.

    Not one black sub-Saharan nation had any of these or even close to them. Why?

    If blacks created a great civilization in Egypt, why not elsewhere… and why not since then, for instance like now?

    Egypt was European for a time, as the center of the European world moved westward so did they. The stay-behinds blended in or became what they are now. Not uniformly terrible and hardly sub-Saharan, but not European in any way.

  138. @APilgrim

    Matthew, John, & Simon Peter were close personal friends of Jesus of Nazareth. James was his younger, (half) brother.

    There is ZERO reliable contemporaneous evidence of your assertion.

    Show us a reference to a manuscript dated before 80CE, that supports your claim. Can’t be done.

    However I can show you incontrovertible proof that Spider-man and Thor helped fight a group of alien invaders just last year – and the year before that.

    If human society survives long enough, someone as gullible as you will watch Marvel movies twenty centuries from now … and will claim that they are the Word of the Gods.

    Fortunately everyone will immediately recognise that the Spidey-worshippersy have the cognitive abilities of a retarded 14th century child.

  139. @joe webb

    Indeed these are wonderful & very enlightening books. Xenophon’s Anabasis is a lot of fun too. What racial aspects did you find in Thucydides?

    • Replies: @joe webb
    , @David
  140. @Truth

    TRUTH

    Egypt is at the crossroads of three continents-Africa, the Middle East and Mediterranean-so this would make sense.

  141. Corvinus says:
    @Aryan transhumanist

    Our true roots, our true identity, is the own path we make, with this process evolving naturally. The world was constructed in this manner by the hand of God.

  142. @Tyrion 2

    “Probably” is, I suggest, exaggerating but it’s an interesting hypothesis. I wonder whether there is any biological/genetic evidence to support it.

    • Agree: Tyrion 2
  143. @VagabondTheElder

    When someone who worships a zombie virgin born Jew calls you a dumbass, you know you’ve done right. I know it has to suck, going for a self-proclaimed son of God who affirms a fake book as his proof of divinity. Shame though, archaeology coming along one day and proving the book fraudulent, otherwise you might still have a case.

  144. @Lin

    You’re not only totally deaf but too dumb to boot!

    • Replies: @Lin
  145. Wally says:
    @Iris

    I see no sub saharan Africa looking people in that painting.

    Cheikh Anta Diop, one exception to the rule.

    In every instance where blacks & browns are in great numbers, and / or control the governments of cities, counties, regions, states, countries, & continents we see:
    massive murder rates
    massive crime in general
    degraded property
    massive disease, especially STDs
    massive drug & alcohol abuse
    general filth, squalor
    massive birthrates
    inability / unwillingness to support their own children
    massive youth pregnancies rates
    massive school dropout rates
    incredibly low IQs & test scores
    violence as a way of life
    fathers nowhere to be found

  146. Lin says:
    @Reuben Kaspate

    Reuben Kaspate bhai.
    “You’re not only totally deaf but too dumb to boot!”?
    ………
    I must remind you your baiting failed.
    I’m a calm person and I backed up whatever I said with reference from you fellow rakshak honchos/scholars,like Modi, Oak, Subramanian Swamy, Raj Narain…. (In case you don’t know, the last one was indian gov Health Minister)

    • Replies: @Reuben Kaspate
  147. FvS says:
    @webname

    This is an interesting theory. Maybe the ancient Egyptians (talking Early Dynastic and Old Kingdom) were some kind of proto-mongoloid group or even related to the Dravidians of India (who may have been dark-skinned caucasoids, mongoloids, or both themselves). Only caucasoid and mongoloid types seem have built any civilizations of note. And of course, in the Americas, we see pyramid building, use of hieroglyphics, and worship of similar gods to those in Egypt. Who knows if any of it is true, but it’s fun to think about. Or maybe they were all negroids, stretching from ancient Egypt to ancient Greece, ancient China and Mesoamerica.

    Said to be the first pharaoh of Egypt

    The pharaoh Khufu

    Olmec colossal heads and art found in the Americas

  148. Art says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    But we have to keep in mind that the non-Christian Greeks and Romans attained a high level of civilization of their own and that contemporary non-white Christian peoples don’t have a civilization equal to Christian Whites. Explanatory is the interaction of culture and race.

    The Catholic Church preserved and used Greek science for theological purposes. The Greeks made the Earth the center of the universe and this helped Christian theologically.

    Catholic universities taught Greek and Roman intellectual achievements. (Still do today.) All was copacetic until Galileo got a telescope and put the Sun at the center, with Earth revolving around it. Then the church made its greatest mistake ever and attack science. It no longer does that. It did not forever attack evolution.

    Think Peace — Art

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  149. Che Guava says:
    @Brabantian

    … ancient China and Japan abolished the death penalty under India’s spir…

    That is news to me. If you have details of the periods of abolition, I would like to hear of it.

    Sincerely.

    • Replies: @Lin
  150. @Lin

    You barking at the wrong tree, Mr. MSG! You are assuming something that I ain’t… do not confuse my utter dislike of Chinese shenanigans and not having intense dislike for Indians as a sign that I could be one of them. Grow up! And what is that “bhai” shit anyway? Is that Chinese speak for the White?

    • Replies: @Lin
    , @Franklin Ryckaert
  151. joe webb says:
    @Corvinus

    the people most given to insults, in my long experience, are Jews. Corvinus is a jew.

    Joe Webb

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @Truth
  152. Anonymous[288] • Disclaimer says:
    @Aryan transhumanist

    aryans are literally a mix of ancient europeans and iranian like population that mixed in the caucasus thousands of years ago ,there is not much pure aryan ancestry in india .

  153. I wondered what happened to you, when you stopped managing the Cubs.

  154. Lin says:
    @Che Guava

    “… ancient China and Japan abolished the death penalty under India’s spir…”
    That’s bullshit.
    ….
    Motive: The hindus want to be taken as an emerging big power. Since they lack hard power, so they try to sugar coat their hindu system as some kind of ‘soft power’. Saying china and japan abolished death penalty under their ‘spiritual’ influence is shear nonsense.
    https://www.hindustantimes.com/columns/india-already-the-myth-making-world-superpower/story-QbBjsc1wXaCvTdU8JziqoN.html

    • Troll: Che Guava
  155. Lin says:
    @Reuben Kaspate

    Look, I’ve encountered enough internet hindus and I know how they fake. Your records here speak for yourself. I always back up what I said with good reference and sensible exposition and you just say you like this or dislike that. Enough said

  156. Corvinus says:
    @joe webb

    “the people most given to insults, in my long experience, are Jews. Corvinus is a jew.”

    LOL. Anyone who opposes your thought process is a Jew. In this manner, you do not have to critically think. You are no different than an SJW who labels those who “oppress” them.

    Congratulations on demonstrating your prowess as a low-grade intellect.

    • Replies: @joe webb
  157. joe webb says:
    @Guillaume Durocher

    just having read T.’ Peloponessian Wars…it has several bits of racial comments. .

    In the first 200 pages or so, I see references to “race,” p. 188, “nationality”, pages. 95, 106, 230. I stopped looking at that point. Penguin Classics paperback. Then there is the implicit contempt that Greeks had for Persians, etc. All 20 million of them who could not whup the maybe couple million Greeks in the Persian War.

    How the translators …probably a bit pee-cee

    The explicit hostiltiy of Dorians vs. Ionians, is frequent…too bad, but true.

    Race was not in the forefront of Greek concerns, trying to stay alive, etc. Sparta even allied with Persia toward the end the the war….

    Greeks knew that they had displaced inferior races when they took over, and Sparta enslaved the aboriginal Helots… Much was taken for granted…Greek superiority, etc. “Barbarians” must have had a racial character

    I have just started Victor Davis Hanson’s book on the P. War. A War like no Other. Hanson, is a race traitor more or less, tying to survive I guess, but he writes good books.

    Joe Webb

    • Replies: @Guillaume Durocher
  158. joe webb says:
    @Reuben Kaspate

    check out Victor Davis Hanson books…military historian. He is a race traitor but writes useful books. Just now starting his A War like No Other…on the P. war.

    Lots of details about Greek life, economics, etc.

    Joe Webb

    • Replies: @Reuben Kaspate
  159. @Reuben Kaspate

    Bhai is Hindi for “brother” (derived from Sanskrit bhrātar).

  160. Iris says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    ” Afrocentrism, the attempt to prove that the ancient Egyptians were black and that thus black Africans were capable of creating a high civilization, is a pathetic attempt at compensating a racial inferiority complex. It is based on the fallacy that “all Africans are black”, while in reality North Africans are Caucasians, though there has occured some admixture with Blacks especially in Egypt.”

    Your comment is a pure gem. Within the rare areopagus of ignorant, unrefined and grotesque minds who generated this article, you still managed to stand out. Well done you !

    So not only you guys have problem with anthropology, history and general culture, but you also struggle with geography?

    https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/desencyclopedie/images/6/6b/Sahara_politique.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150414150046

    Breaking news. North-Africa is separated from Sub Saharan Africa, to the South, by the largest desert in the world, the Sahara desert, 3.5 millions square miles. But the Sahara also extends to the East and constitutes most of Libya, a gigantic desert zone that separates “White” North Africa from Egypt’s Nile region.

    There is undisputed evidence, to the day, that North Africa has been populated for at least 30,000 years: the 15,000+ Neolithic engravings found in the Tassili plateau are listed Unesco World Heritage.

    North Africa was populated by a type of “White” people long before the ascent of Egypt (5000 B.C). They had no need to migrate to Egypt: North Africa is incomparably more fertile and vast. They had no means to go to Egypt, to the East, or to Sub-Saharan Africa, to the South, because the Sahara acted as a naturel barrier. So, they kept their “White” features.

    Ancient Egypt was born off the Nile river, and would have never existed without it because Egypt too is a desert. It was populated by people from Upper Nubia who took the naturel step to follow the river downstream in search of more arable land while keeping access to water. A 12-year old looking at the map would understand that.

    Ancient Egypt’s civilisation was created by Black African people who came from Nubia (currently in Sudan). It dates back 5000 B.C., with the most ancient and undisputed historic record being King Narmer’s tablet, an artefact recalling a military victory dated 3700 B.C.

    This thesis was established by Cheikh Anta Diop, who provided logical, reasoned and very rich evidence in 2 thick volumes of “Nations Negres et Culture”.
    Alternatively a visit to the Egyptology section of the British Museum suffices to settle the matter: all Ancient Egypt characters have skins in various shades of dark brown.

  161. joe webb says:
    @Corvinus

    hee hee…you just proved my point again. Jews cannot help themselves.JW

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  162. Seraphim says:
    @Art

    Actually it was Copernicus who put the Sun at the center a hundred years before Galileo. And not because he looked through a telescope, but because he was reviving the old heliocentric hypotheses known by the Greeks hundreds of years before.
    By Galileo’s time the Copernican system was generally accepted. The ‘earthcentrism’ was not a dogma of the Church. The most critical of the new system were the Protestants, Luther and Calvin, Anglicans and Puritans. Melanchton was the first to call for the repression of the theory: “certain people believe it is a marvelous achievement to extol so crazy a thing, like that Polish astronomer who makes the earth move and the sun stand still. Really, wise governments ought to repress impudence of mind.” But even the Church moved against the heliocentric system mainly because the mathematical and physical arguments were considered flawed and directed that the theory be considered a yet unproven ‘hypothesis’ susceptible to be ‘corrected’. The Church savants were favoring the ‘geoheliocentric’ system of Tycho Brahe, ‘foreshadowed’ by Medieval thinkers and astronomers at least since the 9th century!

    • Agree: Bill
    • Replies: @Art
  163. Corvinus says:
    @joe webb

    The only point being proven here is your Jew Derangement Syndrome.

  164. Art says:
    @utu

    HBDism and IQism is primitive reductive ideology. They have no room for Christianity in their narrative because it would require a nuanced thinking they are not capable of.

    These HBD types are somewhat like Creationists and Atheists who make a living beating some thought system to death – pushing it beyond its usefulness.

    We are not biological automatons, that are slaves to our genes. Our sense likes, sight, taste, touch, hearing, are determined by our genetic biology. But our social choices are conscious decisions shaped by our cultural environment.

    HBD ignores human consciousness’s facility to make choices about our future. Our genetic based determinations are selfish. But our consciousnesses determines social decisions. Social decisions are constricted and determined by our social environment. Who we mate with is more than a personal choice. We rationally mate with someone who can function in society. That social choice then determines the path biological genetics will take. Genetics follows consciousness.

    (Children with traumatic beginnings never reach their genetic potential.)

    Think Peace — Art

    • Agree: utu
  165. Art says:
    @Seraphim

    Seraphim,

    Clearly you know about the facts then I do. Thanks for the update to us all.

    Art

  166. apollonian says: • Website
    @Seraphim

    Race And Racism Are Simple Concepts, Following INDUCTIVE Logic

    Moron says:

    “But the truth is that the European ‘racism’ stems from the political thinking of the French Comte Henri de Boulainvilliers (1658-1722),….”

    How dumb can one get?

    “Racism” (just ck any dictionary, fool) is simply LOYALTY to and pride in people, ancestors, culture, pure and simple–it’s great VIRTUE which the thou-know-whos want to discourage for the usual and obvious reasons, eh?–and that’s just on the surface level. And all people of all races have always been RACIST, sports-fans. Only the stupidest scum (like “liberals”) are NOT “racist.” De Boulainvilliers merely gives, at most, one nuanced-version of such racial philosophy.

    FURTHER, racial attributions simply follow fm philosophic metaphysics of DETERMINISM (absolute cause-effect; NO perfectly “free” will). So if one is black, chances are he can jump and stuff basket-balls, even if they can’t do much else–and that’s when they’re young–mere conclusion of (a) observation and (b) INDUCTIVE logic, suckas. For when blacks get above 40 yrs old, they start breaking down, physically, at quite fast rate–due to high blood-pressure, evidently (just going by the evidence, sports-fans).

    Jews, w. their hook-noses, can talk a mile a minute, eh?–ho ho ho ho ho–and they only start slowing-down when one catches them in their lies, and they have to do more off-cuff thinking, ho ho ho ho ho. Such are the necessary implications of simple philosophy of DETERMINISM, which actually is the ESSENCE of science (cause-effect). Race itself doesn’t necessarily CAUSE the following consequences, it’s actually, probably mere indicator, one of the consequences of whatever is more prior source of racial (and other) cause.

    Europeans, being science-oriented, simply elaborated numerous amazing theories regarding race, but the basic thing is determinism, including such as loyalty and pride, which is known to all races of all peoples, all throughout hist. Q.E.D.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  167. Rich says:
    @Truth

    That’s the English and American Anglophile version of the story. The French, Germans and other Europeans tell it a bit differently. I’m not taking anything away from either the English or the Yanks, they were definitely at the forefront of industrialization, but they were not the only ones in the Eurocentric world, and believe it or not, they piggybacked off a lot of other Europeans.

    • Replies: @Truth
  168. Truth says:
    @joe webb

    SHUT UP, PENCILDIQQ!

    • Disagree: apollonian
  169. Seraphim says:
    @apollonian

    Too many ‘eh?’, ‘ho ho ho ho ho’, to make a serious discussion. You should have read the whole post.
    I couldn’t find any definition of racism as ‘loyalty and pride in people…’ in any dictionary.
    E.g. “The Oxford English Dictionary (2008) simply defines racialism as “[a]n earlier term than racism, but now largely superseded by it”, and cites it in a 1902 quote. The revised Oxford English Dictionary cites the shortened term “racism” in a quote from the following year, 1903. It was first defined by the Oxford English Dictionary (2nd edition, 1989) as “[t]he theory that distinctive human characteristics and abilities are determined by race”; the same dictionary termed racism a synonym of racialism: “belief in the superiority of a particular race”.
    Wikipedia “Racism is the belief in the superiority of one race over another, which often results in discrimination and prejudice towards people based on their race or ethnicity”.
    That was exactly what Boulainvilliers was asserting: the superiority of the Germanic Franks over the Gallo-Romans, which justified the monopoly of power of the Frankish ‘aristocracy’ as the result of a ‘natural law’. Determinism.

    • Disagree: apollonian
  170. Truth says:
    @Rich

    Well you are in disagreement with MOST scholars in that case. The general consensus is that the industrial revolution was powered by the Anglosphere, and the Anglosphere was powered, mainly by…

    …Slavery in the US. Yep, that’s right, Sugar from the US South fed Brits working in factories, and cotton and tobacco from the US South* provided the product and capital for England and the US to grow an “academic class” with the free time and leisure to invent and experiment. Not only my opinion.

    (*As well as British crypto-slavery in India and it’s outlying colonies.)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Schaffer

    As P.H used to say “Now you know the rest of the story…”

  171. @joe webb

    Thanks for the comment! I agree the Greeks are very interested in nation/race/heredity.

  172. Vojkan says:

    “All the major Eurasian races/regions […] have been cultural or technological leaders at least in some fields during some periods. The same cannot be said for Sub-Saharan Africans […] or Amerindians”

    So, the Malian empire never happened, the Aztecs, the Mayas, the Incas never happened?

    • Agree: Iris
  173. @joe webb

    I am familiar with VDH and his scholarship but I would be curious as to why you have labeled him a race traitor…

    P. S. I just finished the Nibelungenlied and am on to the seven tetralogies of Plato (Dialogues)… it will be a while before I can commence another work or author. Thanks for the tip!

    • Replies: @joe webb
  174. Wally says:
    @Truth

    Elementary, there is no proof that they built them.

    You made the claim, now back it up.

    Alas, as I demonstrated, you cannot.

    • Replies: @Truth
  175. Seraphim says:
    @Reuben Kaspate

    Who cracks this kind of jokes? The answer is blowing in the wind (breaking winds, actually).
    Typical Jewish ‘humor’. Only them would say that the Virgin Mary was a whore and Jesus a bastard.
    Only them would have the chutzpah to say with Sarah Silverman: “I hope the Jews did kill Jesus, I’d do it again in a second!”
    Only them piss on Jesus’ icons on popular shows like Larry David’s.

    • Replies: @Reuben Kaspate
  176. @Seraphim

    And the Christian world just stands by looking on with weariness…

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  177. sszorin says:

    M. DUROCHER, why HBD and not HCA ?

  178. Iris says:
    @Truth

    “The general consensus is that the industrial revolution was powered by the Anglosphere, and the Anglosphere was powered, mainly by…”

    A excellent academic work on the topic is “Africans and the Industrial Revolution in England” by Pr Joseph Inikori . It is a very convincing study of the causes of the English Industrial Revolution based on a wide range of economic data.

    The thesis of the author is that international trade was essential to the English Industrial Revolution flourishing, and that Africans both sides of the Atlantic played a key role in it:
    – The ones enslaved and transported from Africa allowed developing the British shipping industry and ancillary services such as insurance companies.
    – The slaves employed in the Americas produced the commodities that were transformed in English factories, and then sold back in the New World, thus profoundly transforming British trade model.

    The author demonstrates in particular in Chapter 5 that, as you correctly stated, Britain was responsible for an extremely high proportion of the slaves forcibly shipped to the Americas, and not only to British colonies.

    • Agree: Truth
    • Replies: @Peripatetic Commenter
  179. @Truth

    So, in other words, your thesis boils down to… Anglo-Americans made vastly more efficient and inventive use of the products of their slavery practice, than the Bantu peoples made of the use of their (also Bantu) slaves, or than the Africans made of their (white Christian European) slaves, or than the Arabs made of their (both black African and White European) slaves. (I note in passing that the African enslavement of White Europeans significantly precedes the Bantu-Atlantic slave trade, and that the Bantu enslavement of fellow Bantus dates back to prehistory.)

    The Muslim Turks used their White slaves as rape-toys, galley rowers (probably the cruelest mode of slavery ever devised) and laborers; but they also used them as bureaucrats and clerks, as well as brainwashed soldiers fighting against and slaughtering their own people. These functions advanced the cause of Turco-Muslim tyranny on three continents, so at least they got some sort of bang for the buck on their slavery practice.

    So all in all, to summarize: Turks used their White slaves as rape-toys, and also to build empire and tyranny, Africans and Arabs used their White slaves as rape-toys and also to build empire and tyranny, Bantu peoples used their Bantu slaves to, presumably, grow yams and rice, and to build two-story mud-brick buildings, as well as selling them to overseas Jews in exchange for guns and trinkets. (Cha-CHING! Profit, baby!). In the New World, Spaniards, Caribbean Anglos, Portuguese and Jews used their Irish and Bantu slaves to get rich off of sugar and then spend their time lounging on their estates.

    It appears that among all the slave-owning races, classes, civilizations and conditions, ONLY the Anglo-Americans used their slavery-derived profits to underwrite a revolutionary economic movement which has radically raised the material wealth and standards of living for all human beings going forward. That IS your claim, correct?

    Shorter Truth: Godammit, I spent all my slavery money on cocaine, ho’s and Cadillacs, but those evil white Devils used their slavery money to build an airplane factory. Next time a bunch of Jews give me piles of scissors and mirrors in exchange for my countrymen, I’m gonna INVEST!

    • Agree: Guillaume Durocher
    • Replies: @Truth
    , @Guillaume Durocher
  180. Seraphim says:
    @Reuben Kaspate

    The ‘christian world’ is too occupied in moving heaven and earth to condemning any ‘defacing’ of Jewish monuments, witch hunting ‘paedophile’ priests, defending the rights of Pussy Rioters to freely blaspheme in churches (Russian), stamping out ‘hate speach’, condemning Christians who don’t live what they preach (i.e. those who react instead of ‘turning the other cheek’).

  181. joe webb says:
    @Reuben Kaspate

    Hansen gets on Fox Jews a lot, and makes very valuable contributions on the Border, etc
    .

    However he never says one word, about native abilities of Mexicans, like the other Fox guys. Never brings up race. Like Tucker who never brings up Israel…kind of funny. If you cannot say something nice, don’t say anything at all.

    He also is a farmer in California, old family farm…raising raisin grapes. He has been a professor of Classics at Fresno State ? College and has to pay his dues there with regard to the beaners.

    I have started his book on the P. War….A War like no Other. It is superb so far, and also stays safe on race. However if I see anything worth while I will remark on it.

    I also just read his Father of Us All. He sounds like a neocon with regard to the Middle East. Of course, he writes as a military historian, but he also writes as one who includes political considerations…not one discouraging word on the neocons, or Israel.

    So smart and knowledgable maybe he will redeem himself. He is definitely being groomed By Fox Jews…he is old enough to be ripe for finally telling the truth, like Watson but who chickened out.

    Joe Webb

    • Replies: @Reuben Kaspate
  182. Truth says:
    @Wally

    They are built they are in a black-run, always-has-been area. Ergo! Proof.

    So what is your proof that they were built by whites?

  183. @joe webb

    If he is quite on either the Mexicans or Jews, it’s most likely for the fear of either losing economic stability and or for the fear that his efforts would be wasted. I like him because he is a truly learned man, a classicist in the sea of ever growing algae of ignorance.

  184. Truth says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    That IS your claim, correct?

    Yeah, that’s it.

  185. “Amerindians, like Middle-Easterners, evidently also had the ability to build an ancient civilization. Sub-Saharan Africans, despite contact with others and being around the longest, have virtually never done so.”

    Rather over-stated. You don’t have to exaggerate the achievements of Kush/Nubia, Ethiopia, or the medieval Songhai, Mali, and Ashanti in West Africa, to note that they were in fact civilizations.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  186. @Hereward the Woke

    Nubian civilization was derived from Egypt. Ethiopia imported Orthodox Christianity and Ethiopians are for 40% Semitic. The Sahel kingdoms were inspired by Islam. But yes, they were kind of civilizations.

    • Replies: @Iris
  187. JP says:
    @David

    I find Vitruvius’ reasoning faulty here, not because of subsequent evidence but based on his own premises. Wouldn’t the snake’s torpor affect the physical prowess moreso than the mental?

  188. Iris says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    “Nubian civilization was derived from Egypt”

    It was the other way around; this was explained to you previously. You really have serious problems with logics.

    In “Bulletin d’Information Archeologique” Nr 5 (Jan-Jun 1992):

    Abu Simbel – An Egyptian-American archaeological mission unearthed a prehistoric archaeological city in the El-Nabta region west of Abu Simbel, whose history dates back nine thousand years and demonstrates that the Western Desert in Southern Egypt was the cradle of Egyptian civilization.

    Led by Dr. Fred WENDORF, Professor of Anthropology at the University of Dallas, this scientific team performed excavation works for seven years with the collaboration of archaeologists and geologists, says Egyptian scientist Dr. Mohamed ELBAHY.

    He states that the results of the mission probably make El-Nabta the oldest city inhabited by ancient Egyptians. Imposant stone buildings were also discovered. which would no doubt be the remains of a temple [EL-SAYED EL-NAGGAR, “Discovery of an ancient city dating back to nine thousand years at Abu Simbel”, Al-Akhbar of 20 April 1992]

    • Agree: tamo
  189. @Iris

    When you talk about Ancient Egyptian Civilization, you talk about pyramids. Nubian pyramids are clearly derived from Egypt and are very late ( 300 BC – 350 AD), smaller and (to me at least) a crude and ugly imitation.

    “…Although it’s less famous than the grouping of pyramids at Giza in Egypt, the complex at Meroë in Sudan is remarkable. More than 200 pyramids, primarily dating from 300 B.C. to A.D. 350, mark the tombs of royalty of the Kingdom of Kush, which ruled Nubia for centuries. They are recognized as a UNESCO World Heritage Site, yet they remain relatively unknown. The Nubian pyramids differ from Egyptian ones: They are smaller—20 to 90 feet on a side, compared with the Great Pyramid’s 756 feet—with much steeper sides, and most were built two thousand years after those at Giza.

    “When I thought of pyramids, I thought about the Great Pyramids of Giza,” says Michel. “I hadn’t known that Egypt had significantly influenced the Kushite Kingdoms of Nubia to the south—and that over 3,000 years, the Nubians would adopt aspects of Egyptian language, religion, and technology While the ancient Egyptians basically abandoned pyramids for hidden tombs, the Nubians continued to use pyramids.”

    Source : A New Look at the little-known Pyramids of Ancient Nubia.
    https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/meroe-pyramids-sudan-photography

    There was an early culture in Nubia, the Kerma culture (began at least 2500 BC), which was conquered ca. 1500 BC by Egyptian pharaoh Thutmose. Its language belonged to the Cushitic branch of Afro-Asiatic. Whether as Hamitic speakers they were as white as unmixed Berbers, or as mixed as Somalians or even full blooded black Africans is not known.

    If a culture is the oldest in a region, it doesn’t automatically follow that any later high culture in its neighborhood is “derived from it”. Egypts pyramids clearly are not.

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Hippopotamusdrome
  190. David says:
    @Guillaume Durocher

    Off the top of my head, I can’t think of any HBD stuff in Thucydides. Contrasting political and social structures, yes, but the book is really all about Greeks. I’m sure there are exceptions. For example, in discussing the distant history of Athens, I think, he talks about local ancient graves containing foreignish artifacts that he associates with some then still extant tribe. He assumes this people was supplanted by the current one.

    Herodotus, though, is highly focused on HBD. A lot of his book is ethnography, maybe the first quarter, where he tells you about each nation: what they eat, what they drink, a few extraordinary details about them or reports they conveyed to the author. He goes into lavish detail on the Egyptians, dwelling especially in how their practices contrast with those of the Greeks but he credits Egypt as the source of much Greek sophistication.

    There’s a lot in common with the Pentateuch and Egyptian ceremony as described in The History.

    I think he says Egyptian skulls on some old battlefield were more fragile than Persian ones. Maybe the other way around. He says Ethiopians are tall and don’t drink booze. The not drinking part staggers Herodotus. He describes intermediary populations between Egypt and Ethiopia, for example, even that they tend to start with interloper men taking local dames.

  191. Sub-Saharan Africans, despite contact with others and being around the longest, have virtually never done so.

    So, that being around the longest is not necessarily true.

    SS Africans are also descended from another population … Do you have a date on the arrival of the Bantu?

  192. @Iris

    A excellent academic work on the topic is “Africans and the Industrial Revolution in England” by Pr Joseph Inikori . It is a very convincing study of the causes of the English Industrial Revolution based on a wide range of economic data.

    Truly, they wuz kangs.

    I am surprised that horses do not get more recognition!

    • Replies: @Iris
  193. Iris says:
    @Peripatetic Commenter

    “I am surprised that horses do not get more recognition!”

    Actually, horses and fraudsters do get more recognition in our world dominated by Zionist money and Zionist value system:
    – Obama and the EU both got the Peace Nobel Prize for raping Libya, Paul Krugman the Economics Nobel Prize the very same year of the Global Finance Crisis he never saw coming, Dylan the Literature Nobel Prize God knows why, and LIGO laboratory (with lots of tribal names attached) was awarded the 2017 Physics Nobel prize for “discovering” gravitational waves that proved to be just background noise.

    Pr Inikori has 351 citations in ResearchGate. This means that in such a niche, specialised field of research, his works have been utilised as many times in articles and thesis at the PHD level, and that these articles have been peer-reviewed by 3 to 4 times as many researchers.

    https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Joseph_Inikori2

    So I think that people interested in the economics of slavery can safely ignore your enlightened opinion on the subject.

  194. Iris says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    “When you talk about Ancient Egyptian Civilization, you talk about pyramids. Nubian pyramids are clearly derived from Egypt and are very late ( 300 BC – 350 AD), smaller and (to me at least) a crude and ugly imitation.”

    The point being discussed was not the influence of Ancient Egypt’s civilisation, it was the origin of Ancient Egypt’s civilisation, as the article under which we are posting claims that Black African people made no contribution to human civilisation.

    Do you have problems with logical semantics as well?

    It is not difficult to understand. Just look at the map again:
    – Ancient Egypt’s temple in Abu Simbel dates 7000 BC (9000 years ago) and was built first.
    – Ancient Egypt’s city of Thebes (Louxor) dates about 3200 BC (5200 years ago) and was built about 38oo years after Abu Simbel.

    Black people from Nubia moved downstream the Nile, to the North, and successively built both cities.
    There was no wave of imaginary “White” Mediterranean people who suddenly decided to commit collective suicide and bury themselves in the desert by undertaking a southbound migration deep into a hostile and unknown environment. Historic Egyptian cities prove the contrary.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
    , @L.K
  195. Charron says:

    American based Indians did some amazing feats of buildings in many places, but one of their major contributions to us is their ability t as plant developers. Corn was a weed, but they developed corn, and they created other varieties of vegetables . I take my hat off to them.

  196. Iris says:

    “Inspired by an excellent recent post by Anatoly Karlin, I’d like to add my two cents on the controversial topic of race in the ancient world”.

    Personally, I would also like to add “my two cents” to the saddening drivel posted in this article and shall state the following: in the very close past time, 19th, 20th and 21th century, the unchallenged intellectual powerhouse of Europe was and still is Germany.

    The achievements of Germany in the intellectual field since about 1750 are simply staggering and unparalleled. Philosophy, mathematics, physics, sociology, poetry, technology,.. Germany, to the day, excelled and surpassed other European nations in all areas of knowledge, to the point that it embodies what celebrated historian Peter Watson rightly called “Europe’s Third Renaissance”:

    Therefore, I comfortably conclude that German IQ has proven so evidently and consistently superior to French, Jewish and whatever other “White” IQ, that articles about IQ written by non-Germans are completely irrelevant as the authors would be missing the basic credentials.

  197. @Iris

    “…Ancient Egypt’s temple in Abu Simbel dates 7000 BC (9000 years ago) and was built first…”

    I cannot find that information on the Internet. The only thing I can find is about the two famous temples built by Pharao Rameses II in commemoration of his “victory” at Kadesh (13th century BC).

    “…Ancient Egypt’s city of Thebes (Louxor) dates about 3200 BC (5200 years ago) and was built about 38oo years after Abu Simbel…”

    I found that Thebes was indeed inhabited from around 3200 BC when it was a small trading post.

    “…Black people from Nubia moved downstream the Nile, to the North, and successively built both cities…”

    I could not find evidence for that, so I searched for information on “Nubia”.

    This is what I found :

    “… It (i.e. Nubia) was the seat of one of the earliest civilizations of ancient Africa, with a history that can be traced from at least 2500 BC onward with the Kerma culture. The latter was conquered by the New Kingdom of Egypt under pharaoh Thutmose I around 1500 BC…” Wikipedia, Nubia.

    So 2500 BC is 700 years later than 3200 BC, the date of Thebes’ founding, and 4500 years later than the date you claim for the founding of Abu Simbel.

    Now about the Nubian Kerma Culture. The Kerma culture lasted from 2500 BC to 1500 BC. What was the ethnic identity of the Kerma people ?

    “…According to Peter Behrens (1981) and Marianne Bechaus-Gerst (2000), linguistic evidence indicates that the Kerma peoples spoke Afroasiatic languages of the Cushitic branch.[14][15] The Nilo-Saharan Nobiin language today contains a number of key pastoralism related loanwords that are of proto-Highland East Cushitic origin, including the terms for sheep/goatskin, hen/cock, livestock enclosure, butter and milk. This in turn suggests that the Kerma population — which, along with the C-Group Culture, inhabited the Nile Valley mmediately before the arrival of the first Nubian speakers — spoke Afroasiatic languages…” Wikipedia, Kerma Culture.

    So they spoke a Hamitic language. What about their race ?

    “…Craniometric analysis of Kerma fossils compared with various other early populations inhabiting the Nile Valley and Maghreb found that they were morphologically close to Predynastic Egyptians from Naqada (4000–3200 BC). Craniometric analysis of predynastic Naqada fossils found that they were closely related to other Afroasiatic-speaking populations inhabiting the Horn of Africa. The Kermans were also more distantly related to Dynastic Egyptians from Gizeh (323 BC–330 AD) and Predynastic Egyptian samples from Badari (4400–4000 BC), followed by the ancient Garamantes of Libya (900 BC-500 AD) and early osteological series from Algeria (1500 BC), Carthage in Tunisia (751 BC–435 AD), Soleb in Nubia (1575–1380 BC), and Ptolemaic dynasty-era samples from Alexandria in Egypt (323 BC–330 AD).[17]

    Dental trait analysis of Kerma fossils found that they were closely related to Afroasiatic-speaking populations inhabiting Northeast Africa and the Maghreb. Among the ancient populations, the Kerma people were nearest to the A-Group culture bearers and Kush populations in Upper Nubia, followed by the Meroitic, X-Group and Christian period inhabitants of Lower Nubia and the Kellis population in the Dakhla Oasis, as well as C-Group and Pharaonic era skeletons excavated in Lower Nubia and ancient Egyptians (Naqada, Badari, Hierakonpolis, Abydos and Kharga in Upper Egypt; Hawara in Lower Egypt). Among the recent groups, the Kermans were morphologically closest to Afroasiatic-speaking populations in the Horn of Africa, followed by the Shawia and Kabyle Berber populations of Algeria as well as Bedouin groups in Morocco, Libya and Tunisia. The A-Group skeletons and these ancient and recent fossils were also phenotypically distinct from those belonging to recent Negroid populations in Sub-Saharan Africa…” Wikipedia, Kerma Culture.

    Sounds very much like a Hamitic speaking white mediterranean people rather than Nubian Black Africans. BTW, the Kabyles to whom the Kerma People were related are the most white people of Africa, many of whom could easily pass as Europeans.

    “…There was no wave of imaginary “White” Mediterranean people who suddenly decided to commit collective suicide and bury themselves in the desert by undertaking a southbound migration deep into a hostile and unknown environment. Historic Egyptian cities prove the contrary…”

    They didn’t “bury themselves in the desert”, they settled along the Nile. I assume that later on racial admixture of those Mediterranean Whites with Black Africans did take place. The present population of East Africa is the visible result of such admixture, but that should not entice us to aver that the founders of the Kerma culture were Black Africans. Whatever their racial identity, the Kerma people could not have founded the Egyptian culture because they were younger (2500 BC) while Egyptian culture began in 3150 BC with the Early Dynastic Period.

    • Agree: apollonian
    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Iris
  198. @Iris

    With the Netherlands, Austria and Italy, Germany belongs to the top IQ countries of Europe with an average IQ of 102. Geniuses are rare outliers with little effect on the collective average. Their appearance in history is more the effect of cultural changes rather than genetic changes, which only take place over long periods of time.

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  199. Seraphim says:
    @Iris

    You can’t say that about German ‘philosophy’ which prepared the way to Communism.

    • Replies: @Iris
  200. Iris says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    I cannot find that information on the Internet“[About the temple near Abu Simbel]:

    Please find here more details. Nabta Playa, 100 km West of Abu Simbel, is one of the most famous Neolithic sites there is, and covers a period from at least the 10th to 7th millennia BC. It was entirely discovered by American Pr Fred Wendorf from Dallas University.

    ” Analysis of human remains by Fred Wendorf and reported in “Holocene Settlement of the Egyptian Sahara”, based on osteological data suggests a sub-Saharan origin for the site’s inhabitants”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nabta_Playa

    The analysis of religious practices in Nabta Playa around 6000 BC indicate that they preceded and inspired those of Ancient Egypt:
    “To directly quote professors Wendorf and Schild:[2]
    there are many aspects of political and ceremonial life in prehistoric Egypt and the Old Kingdom that reflects a strong impact from Saharan cattle pastoralists… ”

    Another undeniable material evidence of this early population being Sub-Saharan is a unique ceramic technique called “Black Topped Potter” found at contemporary times at Nabta Playa and at Khartoum:
    “used ceramics [..] which belong to a general pottery tradition strongly associated with the southern parts of the sahara (e.g., of the Khartoum mesolithic and various contemporary sites in Chad) of that period”

    One very interesting point about the site: it comprises one of the most ancient archeoastronomical sites in the world (5000 BC).

    So, to summarise, for about 3 millenia, there was a complex and advanced Sub-Saharan social organisation near Abu Simbel, linked by its genoma and its technology to other contemporaneous populations in Nubia (Khartoum). During the Late Neolithic (6000 BC), a desertification process took hold, provoking a clustering of this population and its migration towards Upper Egypt (including Thebes) where the civilisation of Ancient Egypt civilisation was born.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  201. Iris says:
    @Seraphim

    Hello Seraphim;

    With all due respect for your religious convictions, you chose the worst possible example.

    While Germans are without a doubt the kings of most areas of knowledge, they are the gods of modern Philosophy. Modern philosophy wouldn’t even exist without German philosophers.

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  202. Iris says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    ” So they spoke a Hamitic language. What about their race ?”

    The “Hamitic” theory is an outdated fallacy which has long lost any credibility. You are wasting my time.

  203. Chrrris says:

    Hello guillaume. This is my first comment in unz, not sure if I’ve missed the boat on this article.
    I’m interested in the origins of, not civilisation particularly, but civilised values, the Moral Law. I’m reading C S Lewis who is happy to point to similar conclusions on this from all over (in Abolition of Man). But from what economic and political circumstances?
    It seems to me that a stable-yet-precarious situation is needed, a population which cannot live by predation, has to cultivate something carefully – crops, flocks, or mines, isn’t subject to too much autocratic control, theft, or general chaos, and has long duration to weed out the genes of defection as altruism and cooperation is selected for, and concepts like justice, retribution, duty get developed. The Israelites are the model.
    What other group fits the bill? Manorial Europe? A further desirable feature is the self awareness to avoid the abundance which would weaken duty & allow predators/defectors from within to thrive – or to substitute material abundance with unstealable cultural capital, but both from communal projects – cathedrals, that kind of thing.
    Anyhow, that’s my question – is there a resource to help me track down likely population groups, histories, value systems ? Thanks for any thoughts.

  204. Iris says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    “Did Napoleon build the Great Egyptian Pyramids ?”

    A warm welcome to the Half-Wits Academy Awards. You truly belong in this discussion thread.

  205. Iris says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    “Geniuses are rare outliers with little effect on the collective average.”

    This was not the meaning intended by the book title’s, which clearly refers the collective genius of the German people.

    You have problems with lexical semantics too.

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  206. Seraphim says:
    @Iris

    ‘Modern philosophy’ wouldn’t exist without Luther’s Protestantism which initiated the mental slide into communism (and fascism). Kant, Herder, Goethe, Fichte, Hegel, Feuerbach, were not Chinese, neither was Marx, Engels, nor Nietzsche, nor the ‘Frankfurt School’.
    If you want to see a giant of German philosophy then it was Leibniz, but his philosophy had less to do with ‘modern philosophy’ than with the old traditional Christian ‘scholastic’ one. He owes much to the French thinkers, to the Jesuits and to the… Chinese. He wrote most of his philosophy in French and Latin. That might be a reason why he was sent to the memory hole for a long time (e.g. The Berlin Academy of Sciences, which he founded and wrote its program, did not see fit to honor his death and his tomb went unmarked for 50 years – the French Academy of Sciences did).

  207. @Iris

    Nabta Playa seems to have been a culture of semi-sedentary pastoralists. Their identity is assumed to have been Nilo-Saharan speaking Sub-Saharans. That the later Egyptian civilization adopted some elements from them is not impossible. Whenever a higher civilization establishes itself in a new territory, some elements of the native culture tend to be absorbed. But it goes too far to say that therefore Nabta Playa was the “cradle of Egyptian civilization”, and as such proves that Sub-Saharan Africans were capable of creating a high civilization.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  208. Seraphim says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Wasn’t the Upper Egypt that unified the country (and the ‘Egyptian civilization’)? Certainly they were not ‘Nordic Whites’.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  209. Consider an Iraq left alone and not invaded in 2003, and consider the progress it was making and where it was headed, to today’s Sweden which is being over run and literally raped by sub-Saharan Africans. I think an unmolested Iraq would be far and away my preferred destination in 2019.

  210. @Seraphim

    Yes, Egypt was unified by Pharao Menes (Narmer) from upper Egypt, which doesn’t necessarily mean he was negroid. In his statues he looks more like an Indian from Central America :

    Nobody says that the Ancient Egyptians were “Nordics”. They were Mediterraneans of a type that can still be seen in the Middle East. Here is a picture of a woman from Saudi Arabia, that looks like an Ancient Egyptian come alive :

  211. L.K says:
    @Iris

    I don’t wish to denigrate black Africans but “Afrocentrism” is pure hokum and you appear to have fallen for it.

    BTw, ‘nordicism’ is total BS too, and the 2 are sort of mirror images of each other. Afrocentrism attempts to claim ancient Egypt for blacks and nordicism tries to claim the classical Western civilizations, Greece and Rome, stating that at least the elites in ancient Greece and Rome were ‘nordics’. All of this is BS.

    Here is a new study on ancient Egyptian DNA:

    Ancient Egyptian mummy genomes suggest an increase of Sub-Saharan African ancestry in post-Roman periods.

    The samples recovered from Middle Egypt span around 1,300 years of ancient Egyptian history from the New Kingdom to the Roman Period. Our analyses reveal that ancient Egyptians shared more ancestry with Near Easterners than present-day Egyptians, who received additional sub-Saharan admixture in more recent times. This analysis establishes ancient Egyptian mummies as a genetic source to study ancient human history and offers the perspective of deciphering Egypt’s past at a genome-wide level.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694

    • Replies: @Iris
  212. L.K says:

    The face of Nebiri revealed: Scientists reconstruct the head of the ancient Egyptian ‘Chief of Stables’, 3,500 years after he died of heart failure

    A 3,500-year-old noble Egyptian called Nebiri has been brought back to life through modern forensics.

    Scientists have reconstructed the face of the ancient mummy, and discovered he had a prominent nose, wide jaw, straight eyebrows and moderately thick lips.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4618596/Scientists-reconstruct-head-ancient-mummy.html

    • Replies: @Iris
  213. @Iris

    Hear me out. Hydraulic lime concrete* was invented in 1793. Just five years later Napoleon was in Egypt with his army of 40,000 in 1798-1803**.

    As a comparison of scale, the Hoover Dam† contains 3.25 million cubic yards of concrete and was constructed in five years by 3-5,000 workers.

    The Great Pyramid of Giza‡ has a volume of 3.38 million cubic yards, and only the outer shell may be blocks, with the interior being just a pile of dirt.

    It would be easier to imagine 40,000 Europeans (10 times the Hoover Dam workforce) with newly invented concrete making a big pile of dirt encased in concrete blocks than Ethiopians who just came out of the hunter-gatherer stage of development equipped with copper tools.

    Why does Plutarch§ when he writes about Alexander the Great when he is in Egypt, not mention the pyramids? He visits the shrine of Zeus Ammon in the middle of the desert, and this takes up four paragraphs, but the pyramids are not worth visiting or mentioning.

    [MORE]

    *The History of Concrete

    Concrete technology took a huge leap in the 1700s. John Smeaton was an English engineer

    He discovered in 1774 that quicklime made a harder cement. In 1793 he took that discovery another step forward when he realized that the calcinations of limestone that contained clay produced hydraulic lime, a lime that hardens under water.

    From there, the popularity of concrete as a building material spread to France, where Louis Vicat developed an artificial hydraulic lime composed of synthetic limestone and clay in 1812. This technology was used in 1816 to build the world’s first unreinforced concrete bridge in Souillac, France.

    **French campaign in Egypt and Syria
    1 July 1798 – 2 September 1801

    Hoover Dam

    Great Pyramid of Giza
    2,583,283 cubic metres

    §PLUTARCH’S LIVES

  214. Iris says:
    @L.K

    “I don’t wish to denigrate black Africans but “Afrocentrism” is pure hokum and you appear to have fallen for it.”

    Hello L.K:

    I haven’t “fallen” for Afrocentrism. I just took the pain to read the 700 odd pages of Cheikh Anta Diop’s seminal work on the origins of Ancient Egypt. The logics of his demonstration is unsurpassed. There is no work of equivalent scholarship proving him wrong to the day.

    The “Nature” article you posted states:
    “since all sampled remains derive from this community in Middle Egypt [Abusir El Melek] and have been radiocarbon dated to the late New Kingdom to the Roman Period (cal. 1388BCE–426CE)”.

    The site of Abusir El Melek is very far downstream the Nile, and the oldest remains are dated 1388 BC.
    Pre-dynastic Egypt dates 5500 BC, and is centred around the cities of Nekhen and Abydos, upstream the Nile, close to Luxor and Sudan.

    The samples studied in the article are too remote, both chronologically and geographically, from the place of birth of the Egyptian civilisation, to be any indication of which people created it.

    The area studied in the article is closer to the Meditterranean. By 333 BC Alexander The Great had already been enthroned Pharaoh and left the Greek Ptolemaic dynasties behind him to rule Egypt. There is absolutely no doubt that the last pharaohs had a lot of Greek and “White” Mediterranean blood, but this is not the point discussed. With regards.

  215. Iris says:
    @L.K

    Hello again L.K;

    I feel actually quite offended that you reply to me with “information” from National Geographic. (Big sigh 🙁 )

    “Information” from a”factual” magazine controlled by Super Zio Rupert Murdoch? Really?
    In 10 years time, if they haven’t blown up the planet by then, the Zios will be teaching us how Netanyahu is descended in direct line from Ramses II the Great.

    Anyway… Below are photographs of the REAL bust of Tutankhamun, which is kept at the Cairo museum. Much darker than modern-days Mediterraneans and Middle-Easterners.

    And these are two murals of Tutankhamun, both found on the North Wall of Tomb KV62,: he had dark brown skin and braided hair.

    Why the-powers-that-be-that we-cannot-name keep “whitening” him is the interesting question we should be debating. Regards.

  216. Iris says:
    @L.K

    Are these the same scientists who stated that the earliest Briton found (Cheddar Man – 8000 BC) looked like this?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-5358699/First-Brit-dark-skinned-blue-eyed.html

  217. Seraphim says:
    @Iris

    Some sense started to get into ‘pyramidologists’ heads quite a long time ago (1974), when Joseph Davidovits, a French materials scientist known for the invention of geopolymer chemistry posited that the blocks of the Great Pyramid are not carved stone but mostly a form of limestone concrete or man-made stone. He published his book “Alchemy and the Pyramids”. Saint Quentin, France: Geopolymer Institute, in 1983. The theory “have pushed most Egyptologists into histrionics” (as it was humorously put)* who consigned it to the memory hole, but to their chagrin it re-emerged in this century.
    @https://www.davidovits.info/davidovits-pyramid-theory-worldwide/

    “Davidovits pyramid theory worldwide” de Joseph Davidovits, 2 Déc 2006

    ‘Materials Science: Concrete evidence’
    The scientific magazine NATURE, vol. 444, p. 793 (14 december 2006) writes in his News about the recent analysis on pyramid stones:
    “Some of the massive blocks making up the great pyramids of Giza in Egypt (pictured) are not limestone, but a synthetic mix like concrete, argue materials scientists. The paper by Michel Barsoum of Drexel University in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, and his colleagues is the latest entry in a decades-long argument. Most Egyptologists reject the idea, put forth in the mid-1980s by French chemist Joseph Davidovits, that the pyramids contain concrete. Barsoum’s team took a fresh look at 15 samples using scanning- and transmission-electron microscopes. The samples contain ratios of elements, such as calcium and magnesium, that do not exist in nearby limestone. The imaging also revealed regions of amorphous structure. Both observations suggest that other substances were added to make a concrete mix, say the authors”.

    ‘Pyramids were built with concrete rather than rocks, scientists claim’
    The London Times, December 1, 2006:

    “The research, by materials scientists from national institutions, adds fuel to a theory that the pharaohs’ craftsmen had enough skill and materials at hand to cast the two-tonne limestone blocks that dress the Cheops and other Pyramids. (…) according to Professor Gilles Hug, of the French National Aerospace Research Agency (Onera and CNRS), and Professor Michel Barsoum, of Drexel University in Philadelphia: “There’s no way around it. The chemistry is well and truly different.” Their study is being published this month in the Journal of the American Ceramic Society. (…) The professors agree with the “Davidovits theory” that soft limestone was quarried on the damp south side of the Giza Plateau. This was then dissolved in large, Nile-fed pools until it became a watery slurry”…

    The egyptologists did not give up the fight. No ‘serious’ egyptologist would talk about it, although recent excavations have demonstrated that the work force employed for the building of the pyramids was quite small! Probably in desperation, they launched the idea that Napoleon built the pyramids!

    *https://www.eyeofthepsychic.com/davidovits/
    “The Pyramid Heretic” – a good summary of the problem.
    Of course one has to go to his books for a complete presentation. They lead to a complete reconsideration of the Egyptian civilisation and of the ‘Biblical’ history. It was more awesome than we believe.

  218. @Reuben Kaspate

    And, if so, preferrably naming him correctly, as Peter Brook.

  219. Iris says:

    The picture illustrating this article is taken from a Wikipedia page, which states that the skin shades of the characters are “not that of the Ancient original”.
    This statement is incorrect. The original drawings are known watercolours by famous Italian explorer Giovanni Battista Belzoni (the Great Belzoni).
    He was a colourful character, who started his career as a circus strong man, and ended up being one of the most famous early archaeologists of Ancient Egypt.

    He has many exploits to his credit; in particular, he is the first modern human being to have entered the tomb of Pharaoh Sethi 1st.

    The tomb offers magnificent murals, such as the astronomical sky painted in the main sarcophagus room, and representing actual stellar constellations.

    Belzoni couldn’t take the murals to Europe, so he made accurate watercolours of the murals and took them to England . He was working for the British Museum in London at the time. These drawings are kept to the day in various museums in Britain.

    The famous drawing below is an accurate representation of the characters in the original murals. It represents human races as categorised by the Ancient Egyptians in their religious text “The Book of Gates”.

    The four Human Races are depicted entering the after-life:
    – The “Reth” closest to the god Horus are the Egyptians, with dark brown skin.
    – The “Aamu”, are the Asians (Middle-Easterners) with lighter brown skin.
    – The “Themehu” are the Libyans (North Africans), with “white” skin.
    – The “Nehesu” are the Nubians/Ethiopians further south with the darkest skin of all four shades.

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    , @BengaliCanadianDude
  220. Iris says:
    @Iris

    A photo of the room where Sethi 1st’ s sarcophagus was laid to rest:

  221. @Iris

    That is an artistic rendition, and even so, the Reth were brown, not extremely dark brown or black.The Nubians were black

  222. @Iris

    Lol at afrocentrism. What a load of bollocks, the Senegalese guy is merely the founder of this stuff

  223. anonymous[191] • Disclaimer says:

    “advanced sexual ideas” Do you mean by this, having sex in many positions or the freedom to have sex with whom one wants at any time and any place. Basically what we have today.

    I’ll take a more sexually repressed society to live in. Thank you.

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