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The day is here! After five years, a new European Parliament has been elected! What is the European Parliament? That doesn’t matter too much. On the human level, it is a retirement home for has-been politicians and a trial area for the new generation of (increasingly rootless frequent-flyer) whippersnappers. In terms of policy, it influences the regulation of the European Union’s substantial common market, one of the three largest economies in the world. However, these elections are of interest to us primarily as a snapshot of Europeans’ minds and an indication of future political prospects.

In 2014, I wrote about the breakthrough of about 200 nationalist or soft-euroskeptic MEPs (that’s ‘Members of the European Parliament’) and the consequences over the last five years have been basically zilch. Other than giving said nationalists and soft-euroskeptics are more secure financial and political base.

Anyway, what happened this time? Turnout around was 50.9%, bucking the secular trend of ever-declining amounts of voters. This is the highest proportion of voters in EU elections since 1994 (56.7%). It seems – in the age of Trump, Macron, and Salvini – people are more convinced of the urgency of voting.

For the big picture results, I may as well quote Wikipedia:

The traditionally-dominant center-right conservatives (“European People’s Party,” sounds decidedly virile in the original German: Europäische Volkspartei) and the center-left Social-Democrats have suffered significant setbacks, losing about 40 seats each. Neither has any kind of narrative or distinguishable set of values, but have got along by inertia. Manfred Weber is a colorless party figure hailing from Bavaria (his election slogan in that region: “A Bavarian in Europe!” . . . this ‘good European’ did not use that slogan elsewhere). Nationalist parties in Italy and France have fully replaced the conservatives as the dominant force on the Right. Put simply, there’s nothing “Christian” about these Christian Democrats (and most Europeans are not meaningfully Christian anymore anyway) and represent nothing more than stability and big business, which are not very compelling.

Personally, I was again disappointed to see how badly the French conservatives did (unperforming the polls) despite their new EU election spokesman, François-Xavier Bellamy. “FX,” a 33-year-old philosophy teacher, is high-brow conservative highly critical of immigration. Evidently his brand of conservatism did not resonate with voters however, preferred to go for either Macron or Le Pen.

Frans Timmermans, who is also the current vice-president of the EU Commission, is a fanatical multiculturalist who has issued dark threats against all those who wish to have a homeland of their own: “Diversity is humanity’s destiny, there is not going to be, even in the remotest places of this planet, a nation that will not see diversity in its futures.” Well, everyone except the Jews, Timmermans as Dutch foreign minister took a leading role in opposing non-violent economic measure against the Jewish ethnostate of Israel.

The Social-Democrats are crumpling just about everywhere, having been virtually annihilated by the kiss-of-death of François Hollande’s term as président fainéant, and hitting unimpressive double-digit lower-bounds in the major Western-European countries. Even the relatively-ideological, but unclear on Brexit, Labour Party under Jeremy Corbyn did rather badly with 14.1%. The Social-Democrats represent nothing if not moderate “gibs” for the people. But a redistributive program is not very compelling when just about everyone’s basic needs are actually met (housing, fridge, smartphone…) and, anyway, you’re committed to open borders and, therefore, submission to rootless international capital (outsourcing and unskilled immigration undercutting wages, facilitation of tax evasion via “the free movement of capital,” economic submission to bureaucrats in Frankfurt and Brussels, as well as international high finance, in the context of the Eurozone…)

Incidentally, the arch-Zionist Socialist former prime minister of France, Manuel Valls, tried to switch to Catalan politics (his nation of birth…) by running as mayor of Barcelona in a simultaneous election. He finished… fourth.

There was a breakthrough however in the actually more globalist Liberals led by the arch-globalist Guy Verhofstadt, who claims to dream of a “federal” Europe, but certainly a Europe in which all the indigenous ethnies have been blended into one big, brown, insipid global soup. Anything else would be Nazism, you see. The biggest gains were made in France through Emmanuel Macron’s “Renaissance Coalition” of liberals, EU federalists, and globalists, winning 22.4%, far ahead of the conservatives and socialists, consolidating the presidential party’s status as the default party of government. Macron’s European optics – with a voluntarist rhetoric demanding an Europe puissance, for a “sovereign, united, and democratic Europe, able to go toe-to-toe with the United States or China – often have downright Spencerian undertones even as it is highly unlikely he will ever deliver.

The Greens, who if anything are even more diversitarian than the Liberals (they even have two group leaders, IIRC for gender equality reasons), also made significant gains, whether in Germany, France, or Britain, doing better than the Social-Democrats and/or the conservatives. The Greens in both France and Germany did best among the youth, highlighting their idealist streak.

Salvini celebrates, as one commenter notes, in front of Christian, Trumpian, and Putinist iconography.

Of greatest interest to us, the Nationalists (“Europe of Nations and Freedom”) made significant gains with 22 extra seats, essentially reflecting Interior Minister Matteo Salvini’s massive breakthrough in Italy with 34.3% of the vote, far and away the biggest party, achieving double that of his vague-populist coalition partners, the Five-Star Movement. I invite people to browse Salvini’s Twitter feed to see why he is so appealing to normies despite the widespread leftist rage against him.

In Belgium – where there were simultaneous elections to the national and EU parliaments – there were big gains in the region of Flanders, with Vlaams Belang (Flemish Interest) winning some 18% of the vote, sextupling their presence in parliament and becoming the second-biggest party in the country. Much of the credit for this must go Dries Van Langenhove, the 26-year-old activist whom I had the pleasure of interviewing for Unz, who has does so much for Flanders’ identitarian awakening among Flemish youth and on social media. VB’s performance if anything exceeded his expectations and Van Langenhove has been securely elected to the Belgian parliament. The new nationalist party Vox in Spain has entered the EU Parliament with 6.2% of the vote.

There have also been disappointments for Nationalists however. Geert Wilders’ Dutch Freedom Party (PVV) received very few votes, their support apparently be capitalized by the more high-brow patriots of Thierry Baudet’s Forum for Democracy (FvD). In Austria, the Freedom Party (FPÖ) has seen a small decline in votes to 17.2%, mild punishment for a ineffectual stint in government as a junior coalition partner and a well-timed corruption scandal involving party leader Heinz-Christian Strache.

Some have touted the fact that Marine Le Pen’s National Rally (RN) is the single most popular party in France, beating Macron’s Renaissance 23.3% to 22.4%. In fact, this is decidedly unimpressive: the Front National (FN, before Marine renamed the party) was already the leading party in 2014, when it achieved 24.7%. Thus, despite five years of more globalism and despite (or because of) ditching the brand her father Jean-Marie Le Pen had built up over decades of struggle, Marine’s party has made no gains, but if anything is falling behind. She has been wholly unable to capitalize on the mass discontent of the gilets-jaunes. The French results show a pathetic fragmentation of the political landscape: the conservatives, Leftists, and Socialists all are stuck in the single-digits. The ‘patriotic’ vote was split between among a few minor formations, namely Nicolas Dupont-Aignan’s Debout la France (3.51%) and the RN civic-nationalist renegade Florian Philippot’s The Patriots (0.65%), winning no seats.

The moderate euroskeptic conservatives (ECR), dominated by Britain’s Tories and Poland’s Law and Justice party (PiS), did poorly, essentially because of the collapse of the Tories. This was despite the governing PiS party doing very well, winning a whopping 45.4% of the vote, despite intense liberal and globalist opposition movements. There was also progress to the right of PiS, with the breakthrough of Confederation under glorious moustache man with 4.5% of the vote.

The Europe of Freedom and Direct Democracy Group (EFDD) – a potpourri of anti-establishment parties, most notably UKIP / the Brexit Party and the Five-Star Movement – made gains, essentially through the stunning first-place finish of Nigel Farage’s new Brexit Party with 31.7% of the vote. This is all the more remarkable in that Farage did this after leaving UKIP and founding BP a mere six months ago. This reflects frustration among the good English folk with the pathetically divided and useless Conservative Party and its failure to withdraw Britain from the EU, as decided by the sovereign British people in referendum.

Finally, the Far-Left did badly, I don’t know why, I assume because money does not grow on trees. (Ruling Syriza declined somewhat in Greece.)

Congratulations! You are now fully-equipped to understand the following graph:

Far-Left (GUE/NGL), Social-Democrats (S&D), Greens/EFA, Liberals (ALDE), conservatives (EPP), euro-skeptic conservatives (ECR), populists (EFDD), Nationalists (ENF)
Far-Left (GUE/NGL), Social-Democrats (S&D), Greens/EFA, Liberals (ALDE), conservatives (EPP), euro-skeptic conservatives (ECR), populists (EFDD), Nationalists (ENF)

European identitarians like Jean-Yves Le Gallou have expressed the hope that the rise of nationalist and populist parties will lead to gridlock in the EU Parliament, limiting the further damage to Europe that the globalists might be tempted to do. Certainly, the contingents of far-left, populist, and nationalist MEPs will make their work more difficult. However, as can be seen above, the EPP/S&D/ALDE/Green mainstream still enjoy a majority of some 67%, so a continued globalist “grand coalition” appears quite viable. This however represents progress insofar as it eliminates the fake opposition between actually interchangeable and globalist “center-left” and “center-right” which has dominated Western politics at least since the 1970s.

This high-level overview obviously does not do justice to the very diverse and complex situations in the various nations. We can however draw some conclusions.

Voters are becoming more ideological. The conservatives and Social-Democrats, while still the largest groups, have lost their status as the default ruling parties in Europe. In several countries, notably France, Italy, and Greece, they have been overtaken by newcomers. European citizens want principles, they want a project – be it globalist, environmentalist, populist, or nationalist – rather than the insipid social-democratic or ‘Christian’-democratic gruel which has been served up to them for decades.

Patriotic government is popular. Who knew, right? It turns ought that most voters, who are basically apolitical and are just trying to get on with their families and lives, are attached to certain symbols of their people and homeland, and like the idea that the government is on their side. Apparently this insight is beyond the grasp of the geniuses who run the Republican and Democratic parties, hence why Donald J. Trump is president of the United States, a far more perceptive man on that mark. This inishgt is also well beyond the capacities of the leaders of the EU. Besides Timmermans ethnocidal statements, EU Commission President Jean-Claude infamously declared that “borders are the worst invention ever made by politicians,” marking the head of Europe has a historical illiterate. The border, indeed the city wall as established in the ancient Greek polis and at Rome, represents in fact the foundation of civilization. Juncker also could not prevent himself from making other provocations in the final days of the EU electoral campaign. We should not too surprised if Juncker hates borders however: as prime minister of Luxembourg he has spent most of his career as effectively the head of a tax haven.

Ruling patriotic parties did outstandingly well not only, as we have seen, in Italy and Poland, but also in Hungary, where Viktor Orbán’s Fidesz amazingly managed to secure an absolute majority of 52.3% in what was a proportional, multi-party election! Contrast all this with the mediocre performance of the Trump Administration and the pathetic failure of the Tories. The beauty of patriotic promises is that, most often, they can actually be fulfilled. The Left cannot deliver infinite money, the EU-federalists cannot deliver a coherent EU, but the patriots certainly can drastically reduce the influx of immigrants and defend their people’s culture and existence, if only there is the will. If a European country “flips” to nationalism, this may be quite durable, as the silent majority supports a stable, patriotic government ostensibly defending their interests, not to mention if the government takes measure to restore ideological pluralism in the media (rather than the 85% left-globalist media diet we are used to).

In fact, I dare say that symbolically patriotic, “sovereignist” leadership is no doubt default form of human government: witness Putin’s Russia, Erdogan’s Turkey, Modhi’s India, or Abe’s Japan. Indeed, the optimal politician in a democratic capitalist system will be verbally patriotic and in bed with big business. Like it or not, that is who this system rewards.

These elections mark the increasing entropy of Western politics as the politico-media sphere has become more democratic, through increased ideological pluralism, notably through social media and the declining power of television and the papers. This will make the EU more ungovernable and politically amorphous than it already is. Perhaps this will eventually lead, like in the 1920s, to an honest critique of democracy and then a correction, rather than the dishonest postwar system which extolled ‘democracy’ as the only acceptable form of government, all the while corporate and media elites substantially dominated politics.

A powerful, sovereign Europe would require a reconciliation between the head (liberal/Green-voting elites) and the heart (nationalist-voting masses). I dream of a virile Europe, creative again, proud and life-loving again, embracing human biological and spiritual realities, again at the forefront of human discovery and enterprise, rather than stuck in the vain quest for comfort and equality. Well, if this ever exists, it won’t be anytime soon. Western Europe, sleepwalking in a comfortable haze since 1945, has some ways left to go before there will be anything we can call an awakening.

 
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  1. notanon says:

    However, as can be seen above, the EPP/S&D/ALDE/Green mainstream still enjoy a majority of some 67%, so a continued globalist “grand coalition” appears quite viable.

    i think one big change is the dominant parts of the old uniparty (center-right and center-left) although corrupt and operating solely for the benefit of big business lobbyists were only destroying Europe slowly whereas their coming replacement (liberals and greens) are fanatics – they are effectively the bolsheviks of the left-liberal version of globalism – so i think they are likely to be as disruptive to the project or more so than the nationalists.

    i see two likely trends developing as a result

    1) liberals/greens pushing hard to make the EU more authoritarian and autocratic

    2) more conflict with big business.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    , @Miro23
    , @RobRich
    , @Wally
  2. Beckow says:
    @notanon

    Yeah, the liberals and greens are fanatics and will hurt the globalist cause by over-reaching. I would only point out that looking at the EU groupings and ‘parties’ is often deceptive. E.g. Orban’s Hungarian party is officially listed with the ‘center-right’ as Merkels’ ally, or Czech Ano party of Prime Minister Babis is among ‘liberals’ with Macron.

    It is going to get harder to manage out of Brussels, so they will change the format. We will also see a lot of ‘new faces’ – great for creating confusion and in splitting any real opposition. There will be a pseudo-Salvini marching around Italy very soon…

    • Replies: @unpc downunder
    , @Silvino
  3. The Far Left did badly in Greece because they broke too many fantastical promises they had made, they gutted the middle class, they acted like all Leftists do when in power by ending up lounging around on billionaires yachts; and worst of all, they agreed to the Prespes Macedonian name deal with the Bulgarian entity to the north after being pressured by the usual globalist Atlanticist morons. The Greeks; particularly, in the real Macedonia, who by and large still have a sense of their awe inspiring history and illustrious ancestors, detested this and smashed Syriza at the polls.

    However, the author is clueless about Greek politics. The Greeks in the absence of anything better, are voting for the status quo conservatives/liberals, New Democracy and not newcomers. Undoubtedly, their patriotic credentials will be better than the pro-Pakistani migrant and pro-LGBTQI Syriza party, but it will only be a matter of degrees rather than of substance.

  4. onebornfree says: • Website

    They all got fooled again! “New boss, same as the old boss”:

    “Because they are all ultimately funded via both direct and indirect theft [taxes], and counterfeiting [via central bank monopolies], all governments are essentially, at their very cores, 100% corrupt criminal scams which cannot be “reformed”,”improved”, nor “limited” in scope, simply because of their innate criminal nature.” onebornfree

    “Taking the State wherever found, striking into its history at any point, one sees no way to differentiate the activities of its founders, administrators and beneficiaries from those of a professional-criminal class.” Albert J. Nock

    “Why should any self-respecting citizen endorse an institution grounded on thievery? For that is what one does when one votes. If it be argued that we must let bygones be bygones, see what can be done toward cleaning up the institution of the State so that it might be useful in the maintenance of orderly existence, the answer is that it cannot be done; you cannot clean up a brothel and yet leave the business intact. We have been voting for one “good government” after another, and what have we got?” Frank Chodorov, Out of Step (1962)

    “Government is a disease masquerading as its own cure.” Robert LeFevre

    Regards, onebornfree

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    , @anon
  5. jim jones says:
    @onebornfree

    You can clean up a brothel, you just need to install a good Madame to enforce discipline.

    • Replies: @onebornfree
  6. ‘… I dream of a virile Europe, creative again, proud and life-loving again, embracing human biological and spiritual realities, again at the forefront of human discovery and enterprise, rather than stuck in the vain quest for comfort and equality. Well, if this ever exists, it won’t be anytime soon. Western Europe, sleepwalking in a comfortable haze since 1945, has some ways left to go before there will be anything we can call an awakening.’

    Note that this ‘virile,’ pre-1945 Europe had a distressing taste for wars and bloody social upheavals. From the Reformation to 1945, violence was arguably at least as commonplace as peace.

    From my perch in Oregon, that sounds fun to watch, but…

  7. @Beckow

    In a head to head battle between populist/nationalists and greens, the greens are likely to lose. In fact I have already seen them loss political battles against populists in Australia and NZ, despite having a much stronger activist base and superior organisation. Their ideas are easily ridiculed, their policies are toxic to the white working class, and they tend to be psychologically fragile individuals who can’t handle dirty populist politics.

    Where nationalists/ populists tend to struggle is when they have to go against hard-nosed career centrists and energetic technocrats who are able to make them look naive, clumsy, and incapable of running a modern economy.

    France voted for Macron over Le Pen because Macron made her look technically incompetent.

    The decline of the technocratic centre makes it an easier battle against impractical idealists.

    • Replies: @Beckow
  8. Miro23 says:
    @notanon

    1) liberals/greens pushing hard to make the EU more authoritarian and autocratic.

    I’ve never been convinced by this Liberal-Green linkage.

    Greens (as they are at present) seem to be more of a leftist political flag waving movement that emphasizes protests about pipelines, nuclear power etc. They have little to do with day to day caring for nature.

    IMO conservation of the natural world is a conservative traditional (and anti-globalist) concept that can easily be personalized – as in personally contributing to making a place a greener, more friendly environment for humans and other species.

    • Replies: @notanon
  9. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:

    The EU has no future . It has been good only for the big corporations , for the bureaucracies , for the parasitic inasimilable inmigrants from all over the world , and for the despotic and greedy elites from Germany , France , Belgium and Holland , who benefit from the euro .

    The admission of the easteners: Poland , mini Baltics , Rumania , Bulgaria , Chequia , Eslovaquia , Hungary has been a disaster . They just do not belong to western Europe . They ruined the USSR and they are ruining the EU . The old german dream ” drang nach osten ” ( push to the east ) failed again , the dumb blockhead germans never learn .

    The unnecessary neonazi , yes neonazi , attacks to Yugoslavia and Ucraina , and the irrational hostility to Russia shows that the german IV Reich ( excuse me the EU ) , has not learnt anything from history . The III Reich failed , and führerin Merkel and her IV Reich have failed again . RIP EU .

    • Replies: @sally
    , @AnonFromTN
    , @Reg Cæsar
  10. Last week I passed a Green Party campaign sign on the borderline of a small town just outside a larger city in Germany, and its main themes were essentially no development on currently vacant land surrounding the town; in other words, crowd everyone into that little town, and make them choke on the fumes of cars snaking through it from the Autobahn to the larger city rather than allowing a connector-road to go directly from the Autobahn through the fields to the larger city. Couple this with a fanatical obsession to eliminate nuclear power as well as coal power (which isn’t going away as quickly as they like because they eliminated the generating capacity of the cleaner nuke plants), as well as the war on diesel-powered vehicles, and it is clear that the Germans are well on their way to deindustrialising their country. Somewhere in Hell, Henry Morgenthau, Jr. is smiling.

  11. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:

    From the financial crisis of 2008 to date China has grown 139% , India has grown 96% , USA has grown 34% , and the EU has decreased 2% . Time to get out of the euroruin .

  12. … a Europe in which all the indigenous ethnies have been blended into one big, brown, insipid global soup. Anything else would be Nazism, you see.

    Well, a brown soup is probably just what a Nazi would prefer! 😉

    BTW, what exactly is an ‘ethny’? I can’t find the word in the dictionary. Is that supposed by something like an ethnicity?

    • Replies: @Guillaume Durocher
  13. Ecological & Subsidarian Welfare-State = European Continentalism (Steve Sailer)

    If the European solution is in some way Continentalism (Steve Sailer) combined with an open society (Popper) and a reasonably (!) liberal economy (social capitalism (Erhard/CDU, Helmut Schmidt Social Democrats in Germany), = a system, that economically allows a balance between helping the needy while not punishing too hard those who are willing to work (at times even work a lot), while understanding, that nature is not just another resource for the big machinery, but something that is limited (and beautiful!)- if, I say, these things would be all understood and respected, then the great divide should be between: –

    – Those who a) support societal stability and quality of life in Europe by restricting immigration and those who don’t and

    b) those parties, which are willing to accept the premises of (by and large) economic responsibility at regional and local levels – the Swiss system of no bailout, but declared bankruptcy, if a town or a Canton lives way beyond its means – and those who don’t. In other words: The no bailout rule should be applied in the EU and: Interest rates above the EU wide accepted margins (1 to 2 % of the national household) will have to be a market affair at the regular tariffs – and nothing the EZB should solve via subsidies (=end of the Target balances etc.). = The principle of subsidiarity should be de rigueur (well respected/ binding for all members of the EU).

    Those who don’t are in the case of proper economic and socio-political guidelines not necessarily the right wingers (neither Marine Le Pen nor Matteo Salvini are above all doubt if these necessary things are at stake)!

    In the case of immigration restriction and border security, it will be much easier for the right wingers, to build a useful coalition. In the case of economic reason (no bail out, no more Target Salden, market-prices for debts) the AfD, the Czechs, Orband and Kurz of Austria are closer together than – Le Pen and Salvini and the 5 Stars.

    I think, that this would be it. I emphasize would here, because that will not happen for quite some time. But every action in that direction should be appreciated- and detected – one of the great tasks of the democratic public sphere (Jürgen Habermas) – not least for bloggers like you, Guillaume Durocher. – I thank you in advance if you don’t mind.

  14. Renoman says:

    You didn’t label the Fan graph, what were you thinking?

  15. “Old Europe” is doomed & these election results show this. National parties, which should have triumphed, just fared rather well; on the other hand, suicidal Greens & similar refuse were jubilant.

    Only ex- Communist countries will have survived without bloodshed; core, historically creative & high accomplishing Western Europe (France, Britain, Germany, Austria,..) is doomed.

  16. On the question of more nationalist parties ‘getting together’ in Europe, there are historical factors getting in the way

    Italy’s Salvini & France’s Le Pen are quite ok with Russia … not so much Poland and the Baltic states, for whom Russia is still the big bad guy

    Within the Visegrád group itself, the four-country alliance of Poland, Hungary, Slovakia & Czechia, there are some old fissures going back a century

    Poland & Czechia both see themselves as big-time Nazi victims

    Hungary under Admiral Horthy, was a Third Reich ally until 1944, with Horthy allowed to go into exile in Portugal after the war

    For Slovaks as well, Hitler provided them with the early opportunity to become independent of the ‘Czecho-Bolsheviks’. It is now not so much known, but the 1918 ‘Czechoslavakia’ was seen by many as an oppressive leftist scam of Prague Bolshis oppressing multiple other minorities, Germans, Slovaks, Poles … a scam revived by Stalin after the war for a long 2nd round

    It’s now forgotten that in 1939, Poland invaded ‘Czechoslovakia’ to recover Polish-speaking areas, even before Hitler rolled into Prague in March 1939 … after Poles threatened war on Lithuania in 1938 … and the Slovaks said ‘Adios!’ to the Czechs as soon as they could, glad that Adolf gave them an opening to leave

    Some in Baltic countries also see the Third Reich as somewhat ‘liberators’ from the Russians … Some Croatians as well had their days of Third Reich alliance

    And whilst on the one hand, we have many if not most current EU ‘nationalist’ parties linking to Netanyahu – Israeli Zionist factions, leaders often making their Jerusalem ‘wailing wall’ acts of submission, Poland is now in a huge row with Israel and Jewish groups, Poles refusing the Jewish demand that Poland wreck its economy by paying US $300 billion – 55% of Poland’s GDP – in ‘Jewish war reparations’

    But it’s precisely part of ‘nationalism’ that people have their own histories, their own take, on who have been friends and who have been foes, and whom to connect with now

    • Replies: @Wally
  17. RobRich says: • Website
    @notanon

    This chart distribution makes complete sense: the ALDE libertarian-liberal center mediators, conservatives and left government service weenies on their issues, and nationalists against too much centralization. It’s what you would want more or less in a liberal democracy.

    It’s what Congress in the US would look like if we had actual fair ballot access, except the US libertarians would be larger and absorb the Greens (which wee founded by the same guy, little-known fact) and purge out the commies, and the nationalists would be states’ rights/localism people.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  18. anon[247] • Disclaimer says:
    @onebornfree

    Libertarians are like atheists, raging against what they don’t want to exist, which constantly reaffirms its importance.

  19. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:

    ” Greens ” are like watermelons , green outside and red inside .

  20. And the vote goes to……… FRANS TIMMERMANS !!!!!! WOOOOHOOOOO !!!!!!!

  21. sally says:
    @Anon

    yes, the EU like most nearly all Republics have to date served only the oligarch and its corporate body parts (OAACBP), particularly true at the USA. KIM that behavior enforcing armed rule making structures (Be_Arms) machines. Be_Arms Machines can be controlled either from the
    a) top by the OAACBP based on profit generation principleswherein the laws capture the benefits of economics and enforcement sorts, divides and distributes benefits produced into the hands of the OAACBP,
    —– or alternatively, ——
    b) bottom by the masses based on human rights principleswherein the laws capture the benefits of economics and enforcement sorts, divides and distributes benefits produced into the hands of the masses.
    Be_Arm machines
    When (a) controls the Be_Arm machines]: the masses suffer because all corporate production is directed to benefit the OAACBP.
    When (b) controls [the Be_Arm machines]: the masses gain because all corporate production is directed to benefit the masses.

    What decides if it is a or b at the controls? <=the mental state of the masses.
    How is that mental state of the masses established? <= produced and distributed propaganda
    Who produces the propaganda? <= currently the OAACBP.
    How can the EU production be directed to serve the masses? <= produce and distribute propaganda.
    but the OAACBP control the means to distribute propaganda? <=use the internet to develop an alternative

    OAACBP = Oligarch and attached corporate body parts <= describes wealth concentrating machinery
    Be_Arm machines = Behavior enforcing Armed rule making machines <= describes government

  22. @Anon

    Glykeria is a commie

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anon
  23. @Colin Wright

    Notice: when Europeans fought each other, we were exploring and conquering the whole world. And now, that we treasure peace above all, we are literally going extinct.

    • Replies: @Avery
    , @Incitatus
  24. onebornfree says: • Website
    @jim jones

    jim jones says: “You can clean up a brothel, you just need to install a good Madame to enforce discipline.”

    You are comparing “apples to oranges”, as they say 🙂

    No one is forced to use/subsidize a brothels services, its a market-based business dependent on attracting clientele via the provision of services that customers are willing to pay for.

    The more that the brothel provides services most of its customers want, the more it profits and continues in business.

    Unlike government “services”, nobody is forced, at the point of a gun, to use the services of any particular brothel, its all about voluntary “win win” transactions, i.e. both parties benefit from the exchange of sex for money.

    If you currently believe that voluntary “win win ” transactions have anything at all to do with government “services” that you are forced to subsidize at the point of a gun whether you want them or not, you are delusional.

    Government “change” via elections is illusory, its nothing more than “putting lipstick on a pig” .

    People who believe that the recent European elections will actually bring fundamental change to their lives are naive fools.

    Sure, at first there will be superficial cosmetic changes that appear to do something, but after a short while the new coat of paint will wear off and the “new, better” government will be revealed to be nothing more than “new boss, same as the old boss”. Its the same every time. [ You’d think that people would have noticed this by now- but no, they mostly never catch on. ]

    They don’t catch on because they remain ignorant of the true, fundamental, criminal nature of all governments.

    The True, Fundamental Nature of All Governments:

    “Because they are all ultimately funded via both direct and indirect theft [taxes], and counterfeiting [via central bank monopolies], all governments are essentially, at their very cores, 100% corrupt criminal scams which cannot be “reformed”,”improved”, nor “limited” in scope, simply because of their innate criminal nature.” onebornfree

    So good luck with your quaint little “good Madame” government fantasies, you’re going to need it. 🙂

    Regards, onebornfree
    http://onebornfree-mythbusters.blogspot.com/

  25. Epigon says:

    Libertarians are the best goyim. Go on and quote all those (((great))) libertarians and their books.

    How stupid and delusional does one have to be to be a proponent of an ideology that wants further atomisation, and an even more extreme version of individualism and materialism? Or are you just trying to create a perfect playing ground for a certain nepotistic, tribalistic and tight-knit community?

    • Agree: utu
    • LOL: Wally
  26. Avery says:
    @Guillaume Durocher

    {Notice: when Europeans fought each other, we were exploring and conquering the whole world. And now, that we treasure peace above all, we are literally going extinct.}

    A shortsighted boast.

    Don’t know about WW1, but WW2 killed something like 50-60 million Europeans/Caucasians*, and is the main reason (Western) Europe has been psychologically neutered (…due to guilt feelings?), and been trapped in a self-loathing spiral of death.

    And ‘conquering the whole world’** has had the unintended consequence of opening the floodgates to unlimited numbers of 3rd world refugees – you know, from those ‘conquered’ lands – swamping and permanently altering (Western) Europe and the European civilization.
    How long before (formerly) Christian (Western) Europe is Islamized?

    How about “don’t conquer the world, take are of your own people, mind your own business – and prosper”.
    _________
    * I am not including massive deaths in the Asian theater.
    ** ridiculous hyperbole.

  27. Avery says:
    @Avery

    Switzerland, for example, has minded its own business, has maintained sharp teeth and claws to discourage any ‘conquerers’, and its citizens have prospered in peace.

    Switzerland stayed out of WW2, and yet it hasn’t been spared the unintended negative consequences of rest of (Western) Europe’s penchant to engage in war: there are now mosques (!) in Switzerland. Imagine that.

  28. Silvino says:
    @Beckow

    I would only point out that looking at the EU groupings and ‘parties’ is often deceptive. E.g. Orban’s Hungarian party is officially listed with the ‘center-right’ as Merkels’ ally, or Czech Ano party of Prime Minister Babis is among ‘liberals’ with Macron.

    Also, the now strongly anti-immigrant Denmark’s Social Democrats are in the S&D parliamentary group, with the classical folks. I think that anti-immigration ideology is a bit more pervasive than what we’d expect by looking at the parliament distribution.

  29. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:
    @Patrikios Stetsonis

    Well , nobody is perfect , but she sings well , and she sings religious songs too . Greetings from the Mediterranean .

  30. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:
    @Patrikios Stetsonis

    Well , nobody is perfect . but Glikeria sings well , and sings beautiful religious orthodox music too .
    Mediterranean greetings .

    • Replies: @Patrikios Stetsonis
  31. Wally says:
    @Brabantian

    said:
    “Poland & Czechia both see themselves as big-time Nazi victims”.

    Especially because there is big time money to be had and political advantage to such a false position.

    said:
    “even before Hitler rolled into Prague in March 1939”

    To clarify, Germany was asked for assistance by the Czechs.

    Details matter. The facts are that that NS Germany did not do what is alleged.

  32. Beckow says:
    @unpc downunder

    I agree that technocratic centrists are in general tough to beat when the economy is working (even so-so working). They are the court party, the default power center.

    I have seen the same rapid rise and collapse of the utopian green-like forces in Central Europe. They are better at running big cities – bicycle paths, free concerts, etc… – when they try to move up to national level it is usually a quick flop.

    People like Macron survive in power because of the below-the-surface fear by most population that things could actually be much worse. Their technical competence is a veiled threat – and people understand it. The nationalist side – and I generally like most of them – also often misunderstands day-to-day economics and in a shallow way promotes status quo business platitudes. That opens up space for the unhinged (unserious) left-green enthusiasts.

    More than half of the population now votes as a ‘protest’ – they want to change the current system in some way, they are unhappy – so when populist-nationalists start spouting the same ‘enterpreneur’, ‘market’, ‘meritocracy’ slogans it falls flat. The moment they blabber about talented migrants starting businesses, how people need to work harder and self-reliance, they start slipping. Nationally oriented policies by definition require a strong social component. Without it, what exactly would it be all about? If it is a dog-eats-dog world, why would having better borders and fewer transgenders make it that much better?

  33. @Beckow

    Let all those that refuse to see drown in their own vomit, they are worthless and dont deserve to be saved .
    We should only care about protecting the ones who still want to life, we need to built an arch of noe for all of them so once the reset happen there is still pure people left to rebuilt evropa

  34. @RobRich

    Yeah, and I wish we had more shades of opinion represented here in the USA by candidates with a real chance of winning, as well.

    I’d guess that with fairer ballot access laws, the Green Party could often rack up a plurality or majority in the largest, most leftist cities, as well as in university towns and state-government capitals. Add those categories together, and that’s a lot of new state reps, even congressmen, from the Green Party.

    The greens would be larger than the libertarians in most states, perhaps unfortunately, and would not be absorbed by the LP in any likely scenario.

  35. Anon[315] • Disclaimer says:

    Why no word about a very smart patriot that’s being taken down? Sebastian Kurz anyone?

  36. cecil says:

    These anti-Whites literally spell out their agenda of ‘diversity’ and atomisation exactly to the definition of White Genocide.

    White Genocide Defined:

    “There can be no all-white countries anywhere, and there can be no all-white areas within the confines of those formerly all-white countries. There can be no all White communities, cities, no all White organizations.”

    This evil proposition is Genocide

  37. @Anon

    Hegel was right: “We learn from history that we do not learn from history.”

  38. @Wally

    Yes details matter. Here are the details of how “Germany was asked for assistance by the Czechs”, as you frame it :

    ” In the evening of 14 March 1939, Hitler summoned President Hácha to the Reich Chancellery in Berlin.[1] Hitler deliberately kept him waiting for hours, while Hitler watched a film.[4] Finally, at 1:30 a.m., on 15 March 1939, Hitler saw the President. He told Hácha that as they were speaking, the German army was about to invade Czechoslovakia.[1] All of Czechoslovakia’s defences were now under German control following the Munich Agreement in September of the previous year. The country was virtually surrounded by Germany on three fronts.

    Hitler now gave the President two options: cooperate with Germany, in which case the “entry of German troops would take place in a tolerable manner” and “permit Czechoslovakia a generous life of her own, autonomy and a degree of national freedom…” or face a scenario in which “resistance would be broken by force of arms, using all means.” By four o’clock, after suffering a heart attack induced by Göring’s threat to bomb the capital, Hácha contacted Prague, effectively “signing Czechoslovakia away” to Germany.[5] French Ambassador Robert Coulondre reported that by half past four, Hácha was “in a state of total collapse, and kept going only by means of injections.”

    Source: Wikipedia, Emil Hácha.

    It is these little “details” that make some people doubt your pious belief in Hitler’s total innocence.

    • Agree: Miro23
    • Replies: @Wally
  39. Z-man says:
    @Avery

    How long before (formerly) Christian (Western) Europe is Islamized?

    F-Islam, Europe has been made worse, it’s been Jew-a-dized!

  40. peterAUS says:
    @Beckow

    Good comment.

    This is The Problem:

    More than half of the population now votes as a ‘protest’ – they want to change the current system in some way…

    Not good enough to change anything.Good enough, though, combined with that “fear” to constantly increase the power of technocrats. Add immigration (less than half, plus more fear) and the result is logical.

    The incapability of that part of population to really spell out what they want is…..interesting. In “black pill” way.
    And there is a LONG way from spelling that into realizing it in the real world.

    Disappointing, to say the least.
    The future, at least the immediate (10 years from now, probably 20) looks bleak. Quite bleak.

  41. Marine Le Pen and the patriots in France defeated the globalizers under the command of Rothschild puppet whore Macron.

    Farage and the patriots in England once again bested the globalizer rats in the two-party tyranny created by the British first past the post electoral system.

    Matteo Salvini will kill the European Union and the European Central Bank and the euro, but first Salvini will load that ECB bitch of a bank up with massive unpayable debt.

    A German stooge boy for the plutocrat globalizers will take control of the European Central Bank and Salvini will say BASTA! — we ain’t paying no more.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  42. @Avery

    Avery—‘conquering the whole world’ has had the unintended consequence of opening the floodgates to unlimited numbers of 3rd world refugees

    The conquering went on for centuries with Europe experiencing only a trickle of exotics. The trickle became a flood because Europe’s elites deliberately opened our borders in recent decades.

  43. Jean-Claude Juncker is an ugly drunk baby boomer scumbag rat whore for the evil plutocrats and evil ruling classes of the European Union member states.

    The evil and treasonous English ruling class uses the EU and the European Commission as a fig leaf to hide their own evil globalizer designs on English sovereignty and English cultural cohesion.

    Evil rodent whore puppets for the English ruling class such as Margaret Thatcher and John Major and Tony Blair and Gordon Brown and David Cameron and Theresa May all push — or pushed — nation-wrecking mass legal immigration and illegal immigration and open borders free trade and anti-White multicultural mayhem.

    Theresa May was Home Secretary for David Cameron while Cameron was flooding 300,000 foreigners a year into the UK.

    Jean-Claude Juncker is just as much as a filthy rat whore stooge for the globalizers and plutocrats and the various ruling classes of EU member states as the UK Prime Ministers have been.

    Jean-Claude Juncker was a sign of the death of the EU from the get-go — Tweets from 2014:

  44. @Anon

    Chequia

    There are a dozen names for this country, and you choose the worst. Why don’t you call them by the name they prefer– Česko?

    Eslovaquia… Ucraina

    No need for Spanish. You might be confusing the two Galicias.

  45. No Boris Johnson nor Dominic Raab for English Prime Minister.

    Boris Johnson puts the interests of Turkey ahead of the interests of England and he was born in the Upper East Side of Manhattan and Dominic Raab is too cozy with tart whore globalizer Danny Hannan.

    Dominic Raab is especially shady.

    Dominic Raab is a nasty fraud who pals around with that free trade twat Daniel Hannan.

    Dominic Raab did connect mass legal immigration and illegal immigration to high housing costs in England. But he didn’t strongly make the case and he goes on and on about the need to build more housing and pave over the countryside in England.

    Dominic Raab also keeps the scam going where the UK politician puppet whores tell the young people they’re going to give the young a hand up onto the housing ladder, when what the older generations in England are really doing is kicking the young people in the head on housing and screwing over young people hard by flooding the UK with mass immigration and using zero or low interests rates to create a massive asset bubble in real estate.

    Dominic Raab is a horrible scam artist who puts the interests of Israel over the interests of England.

    Dominic Raab is a scoundrel and a globalizer and a threat to the safety and security and sovereignty of the English people.

    I much prefer Max Raabe to Dominic Raab and most experts would agree with me.

    Max Raabe and Palaster Orchester:

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  46. notanon says:
    @Miro23

    conservation of the natural world is a conservative traditional (and anti-globalist) concept

    the liberal-green version of conservation is mostly fake imo: puritanical virtue signalling from the Greens and a mask for their lust for authoritarian globalism from the “liberals.”

    actual “conservatives” could easily contest that ground but the problem is the center-right “conservative” parties aren’t actually conservative – just whores for the banks.

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    , @dfordoom
  47. notanon says:
    @Avery

    Don’t know about WW1, but WW2 killed something like 50-60 million Europeans/Caucasians*, and is the main reason (Western) Europe has been psychologically neutered (…due to guilt feelings?), and been trapped in a self-loathing spiral of death.

    the spirit that drove all those wars is priceless because it’s the same spirit – the pursuit of glory – that drove European science, art etc (and 50,000 volunteers standing in a field shooting at each other with muskets every 20 years or so is not that big a deal).

    the problem is we developed technology so powerful we got to the point where that spirit was killing half the best men every 50 years – which is obviously no good.

    the EU in its current anti-nationalist and anti-European form is effectively an attempt to solve the problem by murdering that spirit.

    we need a solution that retains and encourages that spirit without the excessive and dysgenic carnage.

  48. @notanon

    the liberal-green version of conservation is mostly fake imo: puritanical virtue signalling from the Greens and a mask for their lust for authoritarian globalism from the “liberals.”

    Green Party Frauds Push Environmentally Destructive Mass Immigration

    Trump and Tories Only “Conserve” Globalization and Financialization and Mass Immigration and Multicultural Mayhem

    I wrote this in 2013 on the fraudulence of many environmental groups and politicians:

    NH Sen. Jeanne Shaheen and the Sierra Club have combined in an environment-destroying effort to flood the U.S. with 30 million immigrants over the next 10 years.

    Shaheen was tireless in her toil to pass the OBAMA/SHAHEEN/RUBIO illegal alien amnesty–mass immigration surge bill(S.744). On April 25, 2013, the Sierra Club added their support for the 30 million immigrant mass movement of foreigners into the U.S. The bill passed the U.S. Senate in June.

    Why would Shaheen and the Sierra Club favor the importation of 30 million foreigners into the U.S. over the next decade? Greed, greed, and more filthy greed is the answer.

    Shaheen is a bought and paid for puppet of billionaires. The billionaires want to destroy nation-states. Mass immigration is the weapon billionaire-controlled stooges like Shaheen are using to crush the historic and traditional U.S.

    The Sierra Club is now an evil front group for billionaires who use fake environmental propaganda as a smokescreen to cover their sovereignty-sapping agenda of transnationalism. The plutocrats want to pulverize the very concept of the nation-state by pushing globalizer themes of “global warming” and allusions to a “global bio-sphere.”

    The corruption of the Sierra Club was complete about 20 years ago. David Gelbaum, a wealthy Wall Street financier, made it clear that environmentally-friendly immigration restrictionism was to be suppressed at the Sierra Club. Carl Pope, Sierra Club executive director at the time, cravenly capitulated to the command.

    Kenneth R. Weiss, in an October 27 2004 LA Times article “The Man Behind the Land,” quotes Gelbaum as saying, “I did tell Carl Pope in 1994 or 1995 that if they(Sierra Club) ever came out anti-immigration, they would never get a dollar from me.”

    Gelbaum purchased the open-border immigration policy position of the Sierra Club for about $100 million.

    Shaheen is a rancid fraud in her pretensions to evironmental concern. The Sierra Club, at management level, is a corrupted pack of swindlers who sold out honest,common-sense environmentalism for a massive money infusion.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  49. Popeye says:

    Well brexit passed by about three points a few yrs ago…UK voters resenting diktat from Berlin and Brussels, and tired of polish electricians undercutting wages. But now the brexit party did well in the EU elections. Why? Because UK voters are now visceral in their hostility in EU elites who sabotage their votes to exit EU

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    , @dfordoom
  50. @Popeye

    The English ruling class has used the EU as a fig leaf front to cover up their sovereignty-sapping plot to destroy English sovereignty and English cultural cohesion.

    Farage used the immigration gut issue to attack the EU and now he has gone after the English ruling class for foot-dragging on the departure of England from the EU.

  51. Agent76 says:

    Sep 19, 2000 Euro-federalists financed by US spy chiefs

    The documents confirm suspicions voiced at the time that America was working aggressively behind the scenes to push Britain into a European state. One memorandum, dated July 26, 1950, gives instructions for a campaign to promote a fully fledged European parliament. It is signed by Gen William J Donovan, head of the American wartime Office of Strategic Services, precursor of the CIA.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/1356047/Euro-federalists-financed-by-US-spy-chiefs.html

    May 11, 2019 Nigel Farage: A Positive Political Movement – Brexit Party Rally, Durham

    – Nigel Farage MEP (South East), Brexit Party Leader, President of the Europe of Freedom and Direct Democracy Group (EFDD) in the European Parliament

  52. Anonymous[381] • Disclaimer says:

    Everyone’s needs are met, and yet, France has a Yellow Vests movement. Wonder why? I see a lot of pictures of protestors who are either young, male and womb-less or older and past the point of qualification for major gibs that reward sex, reproduction and low-wage work.

  53. Incitatus says:
    @Guillaume Durocher

    “when Europeans fought each other, we were exploring and conquering the whole world”

    Family North American roots date from 1620. Can’t say they’d agree Europeans conquered “the whole world”. Think they’d think Europeans were too busy fighting themselves and farting around elsewhere, given their absence from NA. All the way to the 20C.

    As for peace? One supposes it’s where you find it.

    Mind first, the body follows.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
  54. Anonymous[381] • Disclaimer says:
    @Charles Pewitt

    Nice.

    “Conservation” of neoliberalism is exactly what Trumpian populism has actually done.

    It was a decoy, an entertaining decoy that resulted in mostly more neoliberalism—more mass immigration and more child tax credit favortism to reward womb-productive sex.

    We got no reduction in the womb-productivity-based welfare for citizens & noncitizens that drives down wages and hours, undercutting citizens by providing employers with a workforce that needs to stay under the earned-income limits for monthly welfare and refundable child tax credit cash up to $6,431.

    We also got a Reagan-style tax cut for the rich at a time of a massive national debt. That was the only non-neoliberal twist in the neoliberal conservation project.

    Since Boris Johnson is known mostly for tax cuts and diverting populist antics, wonder if any victory by him in Britain will result in a hard Brexit or just another neoliberal decoy?

    It’s not clear what Le Pen would do. She seems very concerned to avoid anything that riles up the Woke perception that she shares her father’s views. She appears to be a serious person, though.

  55. Anonymous[381] • Disclaimer says:
    @Charles Pewitt

    I bet the single, childless, middle-aged and older, pre-retirement-aged British and the single moms with kids over 18—-the non-welfare-eligible singles who must cover all household bills on one stream of earned-only income—-are hit every bit as hard on housing (and worse) than the young. The young still have parents backing them up in many cases. They have far more unattached college-aged roommates to split rent with. They also have more overall job access in reality. Many jobs are mom-dominated these days due to employers seeking a welfare-eligible or a spousal-income-hoisted workforce that can afford to work for less pay. Many jobs are also youth-dominated.

  56. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Colin Wright

    Note that this ‘virile,’ pre-1945 Europe had a distressing taste for wars and bloody social upheavals. From the Reformation to 1945, violence was arguably at least as commonplace as peace.

    That ‘virile’ pre-1945 Europe, voluntarily and of it own free will and by its own efforts, destroyed itself.

    Pre-Reformation Europe was perhaps in some ways a much healthier civilisation. But then it destroyed itself with the Reformation. Maybe Europeans are not very good at this civilisation thing.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    , @notanon
  57. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Charles Pewitt

    Marine Le Pen and the patriots in France defeated the globalizers under the command of Rothschild puppet whore Macron.

    Actually it appears that Le Pen lost ground slightly. There’s no evidence to suggest that her party has any chance of ever gaining power. Like all these nationalist parties it’s hit a ceiling, and the ceiling is much too low to make it a politically relevant party.

    Anyone who thinks that a party that got 23% of the vote (which is what Le Pen’s party got) won the election is living in a fantasy world.

    Nationalism has some public support in western European countries, but not enough. It’s still very much a minority position and that’s unlikely to change in the near future. Nationalism seems to have more support in the former communist nations but that support is likely to decline as those countries become increasingly westernised.

    This election was actually pretty depressing for nationalists. Geert Wilders’ party in the Netherlands apparently did poorly as well.

  58. dfordoom says: • Website
    @notanon

    but the problem is the center-right “conservative” parties aren’t actually conservative – just whores for the banks.</blockquote

    Yep.

  59. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Popeye

    But now the brexit party did well in the EU elections. Why? Because UK voters are now visceral in their hostility in EU elites who sabotage their votes to exit EU

    If they’re so visceral in their hostility to those EU elites how come only 37% even bothered to vote? And how come only 35% of those who did vote voted for the hardline Brexit parties?

    It actually appears that Britons are pretty apathetic where the EU is concerned and those who do care are hopelessly divided.

  60. @Anon

    Well, 30 shekels crucified Him, too.

  61. Wally says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Zionist dominated Wikipedia citations about NS era Germany? LOL

    Except there was no threat to bomb Prague as Goring stated at Nurreberg:

    “The intention of bombing Prague did not exist, nor had any order been given to that effect … “

    – Hacha was supported by his fellow Czechs who welcomed the Germans and who were also very concerned about Communism, hence the agreement for a ‘Protectorate’ status.
    Not to mention the massive economic benefits bestowed upon the Czechs by germany.

    – And from Hacha’s daughter:

    Hacha’s daughter was part of the trip to Berlin and she testified her father freely put his country under German protection when interviewed by Allied interrogators after WW2. As David Hoggan wrote in his definitive work, The Forced War, Hacha’s daughter confirmed after the war that her father was treated courteously and kindly by the Germans, and with all the attention and consideration normally given to a statesman.

    more:
    Hacha in Berlin, March 1939: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=8342

    See Zionist Franklin Ryckaert sent packing:
    http://www.unz.com/?s=Franklin+Ryckaert&Action=Search&ptype=all&commentsearch=only&commenter=Wally

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  62. @Incitatus

    If your ancestors have only been in North America since 1620, where were they before then? How did they end up in North America, if not as part of the wave of European conquest of this continent? Why do you say Europeans only in North America in the 20th century?

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  63. @dfordoom

    Maybe Europeans are not very good at this civilisation thing.

    To whom are you comparing them: the Chinese, the Indians, bees, Elves?

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  64. notanon says:
    @dfordoom

    Maybe Europeans are not very good at this civilisation thing.

    clearly they are – so good they developed technology which made war too dysgenic requiring some kind of cultural reset.

    the version of cultural reset that developed since WW1: anti-nationalist and anti-white (which is part natural and part deliberate poisoning by bad actors) is no good and we need a new one which retains the euro spirit minus the big wars.

    one useful element in that process would be to outlaw the central banking mafia seeing as they have played such a big part in starting those wars (and in creating the poisoned culture we currently have as a result).

  65. @Wally

    Thank God for Wally.

    Stick to your guns, my friend, and one day soon this entire lying, slanderous, nation-wrecking, Jew-created Holohoax pigshit will burn down around their ears.

    We are winning.

    • Replies: @Wally
  66. Incitatus says:
    @Cagey Beast

    Sorry to have been vague.

    Point intended: those who arrived in 17C NA fled Europe seeking fortune in land unknown. Most simply wanted a better life (unavailable in Europe). They renounced roots and leapt into darkness. They weren’t part of a large European armada invading America, with intelligence, battle plans, and overwhelming force. Quite the opposite.

    They were vastly outnumbered by natives. Survival (aside from gritty work) was desperate improvisation, not always successful. Three direct antecedents were killed. Eight are recorded in battle, a ninth grievously wounded by musket. A tenth captured winter hunting with two friends he saw tortured and burned to death, then (en-route hostage to Native cantons) escaped. Died in bed age 74. No need to mention uncles and aunts killed/wounded/maimed. Many born in NA. None paid by Europeans.

    How, over centuries, did colonists prevail? Many reasons. It was a long process, occasional confrontational. There were many alliances (English-Iroquois, French Huron+Abenakis+etc)? Native nation infighting (Iroquois vs Illinois, Huron, Eries, Neutrals, Tobaccos, etc), disease, rum/brandy, technology (firearms), trade goods, etc.

    The point. Europe stayed behind. Colonists and their progeny prevailed. Not Europeans.

    NA was enlisted to serve the interests of rival European powers only when the later needed a side-theatre to bleed each other (mostly 18C).

    Ironic European ‘nationalists’ now claim to have conquered NA. Don’t think so. Their antecedents stayed in Europe.

    Just my opinion.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
  67. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Cagey Beast

    Maybe Europeans are not very good at this civilisation thing.

    To whom are you comparing them: the Chinese, the Indians, bees, Elves?

    Between 15 and 19 million people butchered in the First World War. Between 70 and 85 million butchered in the Second World War. And after that we decided to commit civilisational suicide by ceasing to reproduce. That’s civilisational failure on a scale that I don’t think any other civilisation can match.

    Maybe we never were very good at civilisation. The Roman Empire is not exactly something to be proud of.

    • Disagree: RadicalCenter
  68. Wally says:
    @Dave Bowman

    Thanks, Dave. The encouragement is appreciated.

    I sincerely suggest that a measure of thanks should also go to Ron Unz who is courageous enough to speak up himself and allow debate on the subject at his site.

    We and the truth certainly are winning and that’s why there is panic in the air.
    The impossible “holocaust” narrative is the underpinning of so much of the injustice that is occurring today, especially against the peoples of the West.
    The beneficiaries of The Big Lie are now under siege and are coming unglued.

    It’s simply incredible how easy it is to debunk the “holocaust” narrative, one just has to ask and / or look for proof. There is none, and I do mean none which confirm the claims.

    As an aside, I just saw two scholarly works on the hilarious “holocaust-lite” approach taken by the now back tracking David Irving … after his curious early release from prison for Thought Crimes.

    Talking Frankly” about David Irving A Critical Analysis of David Irving’s Statement on the Holocaust, By Hadding Scott : https://codoh.com/library/document/4061/?lang=en

    Timothy Snyder’s Limited Vision of Unity, by David Wilson : https://codoh.com/library/document/1910/?lang=en

    Documentary Evidence, by Wilfried Heink : https://codoh.com/library/document/4399/?lang=en

    Regards.

  69. @Wally

    Goering’s report about that meeting with Hacha does not differ much from “Zionist” Wikipedia :

    “…President Hacha arrived and talked first with the Reich Foreign Minister. At night he came to see the Fuehrer; we greeted him coldly. First he conversed with the Fuehrer alone; then we were called in. Then I talked to him in the presence of his ambassador and urged him to meet as quickly as possible the Fuehrer’s demand that troops be kept back when the Germans marched in, in order that there might be no bloodshed. I told him that nothing could be done about it; the Fuehrer had made his decision and considered it necessary, and there would be only unnecessary bloodshed as resistance for any length of time was quite impossible. And in that connection I made the statement that I should be sorry if I had to bomb beautiful Prague. The intention of bombing Prague did not exist, nor had any order been given to that effect, for even in the case of resistance that would not have been necessary — resistance could always be broken more easily without such bombing. But a point like that might, I thought, serve as an argument and accelerate the whole matter.

    I succeeded then in getting a telephone connection between him and his Government in Prague, he gave the order, and the occupation and the march into Prague took place the next day…”

    From your CODOH source.

    The threat of “bombing Prague” was only made for “diplomatic” reasons. I get that. That’s called “gunboat diplomacy”. Goering himself thought that economic cooperation with Czechia would be enough to prevent it from becoming a Russian air base, but in his infinite wisdom the Führer decided otherwise…I suspect that a “Russian threat” was not the real motive of Hitler, but the Czech arms industry which was sorely needed by Germany.

    As for Hacha’s daughter testifiying that her father voluntarily invited a German military occupation, she was not present at that meeting and what her father told her afterward may have been to save face to his daughter not to appear to have been a coward.

    • Replies: @Wally
  70. @Incitatus

    But how well would the descendants of America’s first colonists have done without the unbroken flow of people, capital and technology from Europe? The American colonists severed ties with the Crown in 1783 but the US on started to balance its cultural trade deficit in the early 20th century. Would the American West have been won without British capital, the steam engine and the Bessemer process for manufacturing steel?

    Ironic European ‘nationalists’ now claim to have conquered NA. Don’t think so. Their antecedents stayed in Europe.

    I think Guillaume Durocher was speaking more as an American identitarian than as a European nationalist. American identitarians are a new and relatively tiny handful of people who diverge from traditional Americanism on this point. The version of America’s history you set out here is in harmony with the far more commonly held view White Americans have of themselves in relation to the Old World. I don’t agree with it but I’m not American.

  71. @Cagey Beast

    * the US only started to balance its cultural trade deficit …

  72. APilgrim says:

    Meanwhile, the ignorant, stupid, impertinent, disloyal Reichskanzlerin Angela Dorothea Kasner Merkel Sauer continues to be a totalcvnt.

    Merkel attacks Trump’s unilateral world view in Harvard speech, Patrick Donahue, Bloomberg News, POLITICS, News Wire, 16h ago, (05/30/2019), https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/merkel-attacks-trump-s-unilateral-world-view-in-harvard-speech-1.1266461

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
  73. @APilgrim

    Like the Irish monks returning Christian teaching to a Europe lost in the Dark Ages, Angela Merkel comes to America to minister to the benighted. It’s only in the distant provinces of the American empire that the light of globalism still flickers, after almost three years of the Trump terror.

    • Replies: @APilgrim
  74. Wally says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    said:
    “Goering’s report about that meeting with Hacha does not differ much from “Zionist” Wikipedia’.

    Pure weasel words from you. The Wikipedia bit is filled with lies, such as “Göring’s threat to bomb the capital“. Wikipedia as usual lies when it comes to things of interest to Zionists like yourself.
    At Nuremberg Goering said :
    “The intention of bombing Prague did not exist, nor had any order been given to that effect”.

    You don’t like it, that’s your Zionist problem.

    said:
    ” From your CODOH source.

    The threat of “bombing Prague” was only made for “diplomatic” reasons. I get that. That’s called “gunboat diplomacy”. Goering himself thought that economic cooperation with Czechia would be enough to prevent it from becoming a Russian air base, but in his infinite wisdom the Führer decided otherwise…I suspect that a “Russian threat” was not the real motive of Hitler, but the Czech arms industry which was sorely needed by Germany.”

    But that’s it’s just an opinion of someone at that forum which is completely refuted and you dodge.

    said:
    “As for Hacha’s daughter testifiying that her father voluntarily invited a German military occupation, she was not present at that meeting and what her father told her afterward may have been to save face to his daughter not to appear to have been a coward.”

    “May have been”? LOL
    She said what he said and you just don’t like it.

    I remind the readers here that True Believer Franklin Ryckaert cannot prove his alleged & impossible “gas chambers”.
    Franklin Ryckaert cannot even show us the millions upon millions of “holocaust” human remains said to be in known locations.

    Much more on Zionist Franklin Ryckaert’s belief in the impossible:
    http://www.unz.com/?s=Franklin+Ryckaert&Action=Search&ptype=all&commentsearch=only&commenter=Wally

  75. APilgrim says:
    @Cagey Beast

    Did I mention that the skanky, lying old beotch has betrayed Europe, Christendom and Western Civilization?

    She is another worthless PK, like Theresa May.

  76. APilgrim says:

    Reichskanzlerin Angela Dorothea Kasner Sauer Merkel is an Apostate, traitor to her nation, faith, church, and Western Civilization.

    The fuggin God Damned HO should stay the Hell out of the USA.

  77. Incitatus says:
    @Cagey Beast

    “how well would the descendants of America’s first colonists have done without the unbroken flow of people, capital and technology from Europe”

    Valid question. Not sure there’s a easy answer, but I’ll try.

    Doubtless NAs owe home countries appreciation, as children honour parents. Freely given. So general isn’t it meaningless? Do neglected/abused/dispossessed children owe the same appreciation as an indulged sibling, the one who inherits the manor?

    And doesn’t it go both ways? Should parents take credit for the accomplishments of dispossessed progeny? Should England take credit for Australia sans mention of penal transportation?

    As for the “unbroken flow of people” to NA, should Europe take pride so many fled? Why? For letting them escape?

    Technology is fungible. Access purchased/paid for. What more is required? Should Americans erect a memorial to 17C European trinket and bead manufacturers, rum and brandy distillers? A monument to smallpox and Amherst perhaps?

    “Would the American West have been won without British capital..”

    Capital seeks return. Do you thank your bank every time you pay the mortgage? Where did real risk lie? Risk of return in UK. Risk of death in the US. Which is terminal?

    Back to North America (French and English).

    Most early 17C settlement was private enterprise licensed by crowns who taxed it. It wasn’t charity, state subsidized enterprise, or military adventure. It was cynical revenue for royals intent on maintaining European status. They cared little about NA and colonists, invested less in their protection. They sought no-strings revenue. Full stop.

    “The American colonists severed ties with the Crown in 1783…”

    The prospect of severance was manifest in the Seven Years War/French and Indian War [1754-63]. Fumble after fumble by Crown forces (Braddock, Wolfe, Montcalm; English and French) emphasized distance from Europe. English colonies supported 1.3+ million colonists. The French were far less (57,000±) but stalemated English forces far too long (1754-1759).

    Severance from Europe came when Massachusetts rebels resisted 19 April 1775. The bet was England (so distant) would never marshal force necessary to maintain dominance. They proved right. With an elephantine qualifier. The French. Yorktown (1781) wouldn’t have happened without them. Revenue, arms, regulars, fleet, engineers, know-how, artillery. Payback for 1763,

    The French succeeded brilliantly, then went bankrupt. And worse 1789-94. But you know all that.

    “I think Guillaume Durocher was speaking more as an American identitarian than as a European nationalist. American identitarians are a new and relatively tiny handful of people who diverge from traditional Americanism on this point.”

    No problem with Durocher other than questioning: “we [Europeans] were exploring and conquering the whole world”. Basis of my posts. Americans and Canadians explored and won NA. Many were my kin. For the rest, forgive me. I’m too old and lazy to disentangle the “American identitarian”, ”traditional European nationalist” and “traditional Americanism”.

    Way above my pay grade (no offense).

    There’s what happened (many versions); what didn’t happen (many versions); and why it happened (many, many, many more versions). Each sorts it out for himself. The burden of being human.

    “America’s history you set out here is in harmony with the far more commonly held view White Americans have of themselves in relation to the Old World”

    Really? Hard to know what you mean by that. Good or bad. Whose history? Posted early family experiences, Omitted many more (Native Nation roots, exploration, etc.). But you’re expert on “White America” and “Old World”? Please enlighten us.

    “cultural trade deficit”

    Is there a ‘cultural trade bank’ in vital peril? Please elaborate.

    Apologies if I am, in this short response, chauvinist. It’s unintentional. Mourn US leadership from 2000. Not part of this subject.

    Isn’t history is nuance? There are many stories, many truths, many conflicts. We’re all children of history, always seeking to define/redefine it.

    Best beware our own bias. Just a thought.

  78. SkipJack says:

    Durocher, please write an article on the flare-up between polish patriots and the Zionist fifth columnists in Poland regarding the $300 billion worth of reparations that Israel is demanding. It’s a very positive development. Based and redpilled Poland was up against cucked USA which was shouting from the rooftops about it.

  79. OT:
    I found a left-wing podcast’s excellent critique of the legacy of May ’68. It’s remarkable how closely it marries up with my own views and the analyses of identitarians. They used a phrase which I quite liked: “the vanguardism of the professional managerial classes”.

    /37/ The Ghosts of May ’68 ft. Catherine Liu
    2018-05-16
    In which we unpick the legacies of 1968 and all that: political fragmentation, the loss of authority, the cult of youth.

    https://www.podbean.com/site/EpisodeDownload/PB90F03644J6F

  80. “One has the impression of being in a sort of new class struggle, the winners of globalization versus its losers, the metropole versus the periphery…”
    ~ Marion Maréchal.

  81. @Cagey Beast

    Indeed. White Americans are Europeans, members of the European diaspora, an Anglo-Saxon culture planted in the fertile soil of North America.

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  82. Incitatus says:
    @Guillaume Durocher

    “Indeed. White Americans are Europeans, members of the European diaspora…”

    No kidding? Who knew?

    Little question of ‘White American’ origins. Europeans who mention same in such terms usually want to take credit for North America. You know. All those stupid siblings/cousins who fled the homeland, the black sheep, the dispossessed. They’re distant kin, that’s why they were successful. They had a small kernel of European genius.

    Often mentioned to support nutty racial theory.

    Europe pre-1945 was preoccupied with cutting neighbors’ throats (or trying) every 20 years. That, burning infidels, confiscating Church property, enforcing unlimited seigneurial rights, etc.

    Great legacy. RC or COE.

    “Anglo-Saxon culture planted in the fertile soil of North America”

    “Fertile soil”? Really?

    Please describe the cake-walk settling North America.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
  83. @Incitatus

    If often been amazed at the enormous chip on the shoulder many Americans have against Europe. It almost warms my heart to see that alive and well here in your comments. It helps me believe that old stock, White America may shrink down to a shadow of its former self but there will always be a pocket left that simmers with this hatred for the Old World.

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  84. Incitatus says:
    @Cagey Beast

    “If often been amazed at the enormous chip on the shoulder many Americans have against Europe.”

    Ah, yes. The self-righteous ‘we created them, now they rebel and dissent – how dare they, but I expected it’ mime.

    Well done, Cagey.

    You accuse me of a “chip on the shoulder“) against Europe. Prove it.

    It’s not as if I claimed English greatness is the sole product of Normans and Plantagenêts. One could make that case.

    I responded to your patronizing [#70]:

    “how well would the descendants of America’s first colonists have done without the unbroken flow of people, capital and technology from Europe”

    You dared not answer [#80]. And now:

    “helps me believe that old stock, White America may shrink down to a shadow of its former self but there will always be a pocket left that simmers with this hatred for the Old World.”

    Thanks, Mr. Passive-Aggressive. Glad to keep your hatred alive. Least I can do.

    As for “shrink down to a shadow of its former self”, Europeans are well out-front exploring that reality, aren’t they?

    Good luck.

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