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In the good old days when the terms Left and Right meant something the distinction between the two was clear. The Left believed that the resources and wealth of the state ought to be shared equitably. The Right’s position was that since only a few people in society are capable of handling capital properly, transforming prosperity into more prosperity, those few should be given a free hand and be taxed lightly to enable them to make the state more prosperous.
Noticeably, both of these viewpoints were both patriotic and intended to benefit the nation state and its citizens. The Left wanted equality for the good of all. The Right maintained that Laissez-faire policies actually benefited the working class as well as the rich. Metaphorically we can think of the state’s wealth as a cake. The Left believed that the cake should be sliced equally to provide each member of society an equal portion, while the Right contended that if those who know how to make money enjoy a relatively free ride, the cake would actually get bigger and that working people would be among the first to benefit as their portion expands.
The theories of both Left and Right were meaningful within the political context of a capitalist manufacturing society. Industrial society produced the wealth that made the debate between ‘equality’ and ‘Laissez-faire’ relevant. But the West is hardly productive anymore. Manufacturing has travelled to find the cheapest workers, moving among the Far East, South America and Africa. The working class has been reduced into a global workless class. Arguments about the distribution of wealth mean little in a globalist universe where state wealth has been replaced by exponentially growing debt. In a society that has replaced production with consumption, the bond/conflict between the factory owner and the worker belongs to nostalgia.
With both Left and Right emptied of their ideological and political relevance, Left and Right have been reduced into mere forms of identification with zero political or ideological relevance. The Left is diminished into a ‘LGBTQ call’ and the Right is driven by ‘White nationalism’; both are quintessentially tribal, anti universal and hardly attractive to most.
This may explain the worldwide rise of new populist political formations that don’t fit the standard political clichés. Traditional political institutions, both ‘Left’ and ‘Right,’ struggle to cope with change let alone adapt. Maybe two decades ago Labour could manage to be elected to lead Britain by pretending to be Tories, but this strategy is not going to save Labour in the future, as the Tories are hardly an attractive option. The same applies to the Democratic Party. Being an avid Neocon and and a war monger didn’t help Hillary Clinton. Instead it was Donald Trump, an anti politician with zero ideological standpoint, who made it to the White House.
The world we are part of desperately awaits a new ethos: a new ideology, religion, spirit, metaphysics, it may even be an anti ethos. Is this spirit going to refresh our yearning for the universal, poetic, and the ethical consistent with Western Athenian roots or is it going to be repressive, hateful and tribal in accordance with the Jerusalemite approach that has been threatening Athens for two millennia? I guess that it is down to us to determine as this world is ours as we are this world.
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Thats just it, we don’t want to attract everyone, we want white lands with no non whites.
While this essay does highlight the way that a shift from (national) production to national consumption erodes previous notions of territorial nationalism, there was always plenty of “tribal, anti-universal” tendencies in, at least, American politics prior to the current times.
Before Truman, the Democrats were the party of White Supremacists in the South, and immigrant hordes and political machines in the North (who hated the native Yanks), and the Republicans were the party of people who traced their decent from the Mayflower, hated immigrants, Southern whites, and Catholics. In a two-party system, you need a large coalition to win, so much of the tribalism gets “filed-off” the finished product in order to hold the coalition together. It was always less high ideals and more pragmatic.
Anti ethos or political nihilism has already taken over Washington, and all the stupid voters in the world will not change it.
Here in the Far East there is no such thing as ‘political correctness’, so outside tribes, be it Judea or others, they won’t/don’t stand a chance, for they are immediately called out. There are no equal rights(A society destroyer), so outside tribes hardly can get a political foot in the door. The dominant tribe wins, and it keeps the peace – the West has a lot to learn but I fear it will be too late.
Qu’ils mangent de la brioche.
You know, the Royals of France got a bad rap when this was stuck on them … it was supporting the American Revolution that ruined France, perhaps the British Empire as well.
Yes. We are extremely slow to the lesson that it’s really all about who gets to live where and run things. And about who gets to be the Who.
I dont think its fair to equate the LGBT etc left with White nationalism. we know the left which you name lgbt etc is nothing more than a mob out to rob whitey and burn his civilization to the ground maybe the leaders behind this intend to rule forever once whiteys defeated, but no one sensible thinks any of that is going to work.
white nationalists, well maybe its true we can find some stereotypical neo nazis and claim they are WN so therefore WN is them. But we all know thats BS. first we have dozens of strands of new right that are remarkable for their high iq and second even anglin etal only want to be left alone, to have his people entitled to the same safe space nation as any other,after which he would run it as we all fondly remember.
You seem to be taking the national review/jordy cuck position, i get you’re a jew and so it seems the only position to take, but maybe that too is a dated premise. Heres your problem no one but white people and a small percentage of jews and asians want muh jeffersonian revolution. meritocracy enlightenment values etc are not in the interest of a low iq african amerindian or jungle asian nor is the euro cultural hegemony that supports it compatible with the ones they want/or are capable of, Frankly even AKZ jews and east asians are not into this gentleman’s agreement, they are into the gentlemen sticking to it while they name it. so this america or west that you want is by definition a white nation. we are in this situation because some jews were probably out for a com cap conquering of whitey and most jews probably thought the game was about using more minorities as camouflage in case GI joe turned into a nazi somehow. Maybe it was bad timing and you simply were still not able to assimilate instead. But now a few of us newly minted nazis think you might be able to youre marrying out youre not religious anymore but its too late we already have 40% non whites here you imported and brainwashed along with the cucks, and of course whites who were once libertarians are now turning neo nazi what choice do we have? the only way back to where you want to go and also the only way to not break out into an ethnic civil war where in the end jews will be held largely responsible because you are.Is for jew to assimilate anyway even though you blew the post war opportunity on is it good for the jews to destroy the west even now you might be the only ones who can undo this without bloodshed. You will have to become white nationalist and put the same effort into normalizing WN as you did into multiculturalism white genocide and communism. if you did that and we unwound the 40-% of non whites we would probably agree to not notice that 2% jews and 2% east asians were not quite as white as say the icelandics bt maybe no less so than bulgarians and some finns, its true you would have to give up you identity and genetically and culturally assimilate but maybe better than living in tel aviv or shenzen huh?
With all due respect, that is wrong.
Leftism is anti-identification at its root.
Leftist superficial-identity movements primarily serve to destroy the deeper identity of the Right. Through a replacement of politically effective ethnic identity with any number of politically ineffective identities.
These pseudo identity groups, which can generate no significant political power on their own, exist to render ethnically cohesive groups vulnerable to control by an ethnically cohesive, politically strong, and thus legitimate political groups.
In this period in history, that group is the ethnically-unified inventor of the modern Left: Judaism. Note that they are both the strongest ethnically unified group ad the group who invented the ideology that seeks to replace ethnic identity with other forms of identity. That is not a coincidence.
That is what is called both a political map and a strategy to keep anyone else from benefiting from it: staring everyone in the face. Those facts alone completely indict the modern Left as a deconstructionist weapon of a powerful political group, rather than a legitimate independent political movement. Though, we can as well indict the Left without those facts.
Any transitional Leftism, or libertarianism, served the same purpose of political deconstruction, only it did so with calls for the breakdown of order, disguised as calls for freedom, rather than the unity of any superficially but not actually competing group (except when it did combine libertarianism and class based pseudo-identity, like it did in France).
Right wing ethnic identitarianism the only legitimate internal politics and therefore the only real political form (see below). The Left is weaponized political deconstruction. This is the end to which it mobilizes its pseudo-identity movements as well as libertarianism.
Politics is identification because real political power can only be generated out of identification. Specifically, out of the trust and deep-level group cooperation that only ethnic-racial identification engenders.
Will an LGBT person pass profitable knowledge, property / wealth, or political connections to another LGBT person of the next generation, who they otherwise do not know, because that second person is gay?
No, or so rarely so as to make it inconsequential. Therefore, no long term political power is nor can be generated. This is why this and any Left wing identity movement is not a legitimate political movement: it does not and can not build real, lasting political power because it does not engender the deep level cooperation needed to do so.
Would National Socialists / Jews consistently pass on these things to persons who share only their identity, in certain circumstances? Yes. And they did / do. This is why they are legitimate political groups. They share the essential group trait of deep cooperation that builds and compounds real inter-generational political power.
The power that anyone perceives from any pseudo-identity group of the modern Left is only the power of the real political group behind the scenes, whose light is shining through an LGBT sheer curtain.
Now repeat for any “identity” that isn’t born of ethnic-racial solidarity. These pseudo-identities are a group that is fully encapsulated by the approval of the Left, which is another red flag that tells you that the Left is anti-identity and not pro-identity: it identifies itself by the one identity that it excludes. Pay special attention to the most well known communist sociopolitical cuckoo (effective identity replacement): class based identification.
All of the superficial Leftist identification movements are not politically effective over the long term and especially in competition with politically cohesive ethnic-racial groups (this does not speak to their ability to physically over-run those ethnic groups).
This is why Leftism is not an identitarian movement, why it is not a real political movement except in its deconstructionist role, and why there is always a legitimately powerful ethnic power behind all communism and its outcroppings. Without that man behind the curtain, communism would collapse in the face of its ethnic competition as well as its ability to politically sustain itself even when isolated. The only long-term successful communist nations that we have have been National Bolshevist (crypto-ethnic) in nature. NB is national socialism without an internal moral compass (as the Jewish authors of communism skillfully excised it). In other words, it is an ant-hive rather than a wolf pack.
Your ideology reeks of Semitic-Greek hand-waving over meaningless abstract concepts that are ever shifting. The political relevance is the prosperity of the people in all realms (financial, spiritual, civilizational, cultural, lifespan, quality of life, self-defense against hostile forces, etc). Full stop. There is no other relevance.
This is only accomplished with the politics of ethnic cohesion. In anything else, the population is always vulnerable to exploitative, politically strong groups coming in to reduce the population to slave status in all of those aforementioned realms. They are vulnerable because they are always politically weaker than those ethnic political groups.
The Left is repulsive except to outsiders who have a vested interest (ethnic, emotional, etc) in destroying society.
Ethnic nationalism is attractive to all sane people (those who wish to benefit in all of the aforementioned realms) except those outside of it, who are generally drawn to either transitional Leftism if not the Far Left to destroy it. Because this is where they perceive their payoff to be. They would be better off seeking their own group in their own lands.
I love how you bozos criticize identity politics, but only the anti-racist kind. You want an exception for your racist kind. Man, you guys are a walking advertisement for the utter bankruptcy, utter stupidity, of your little race-baiting sham here.
Here’s the truth. You are too stupid to understand it. Thus, white people, whatever their IQs, are very stupid.
The truth is: All that matters is where the money go. If you expend one iota of energy blabbing about white supremacy or black supremacy or whatever supremacy, you are not talking about where the money go, and therefore you are doing your veryvery rich owners’ bidding (owners who, though they may be white, could not give less of a damn about you). And yet you think you think for yourselves, which is the grandly funny ironic kicker.
Left and Right have been reduced into mere forms of identification with zero political or ideological relevance
Identity, yes. Zero relevance, no. If there were zero relevance, Jordan Peterson would not preach radical individualism to his (overwhelmingly white) fans.
From the video, Jordan Peterson Dismantled, beginning at 5m25s:
Narrator: His [Peterson’s] analysis was that the policies and aggressive dogma being churned out by the political Left were being done in a careless manner that was leading to what he believed would culminate in the political Left being neutralized by the Right wing. This is the real reason why Peterson decided he needed to step onto the public stage. Not because he wants to dismantle Cultural Marxism but because he realized that the political Left’s current strategy for achieving their goals was in the process of backfiring spectacularly.
Brett Weinstein, anti-racist professor of biology: What’s going on on the Left is a bit of a new twist. What you have is a coalition of different tribal identities that aren’t large enough to marshal a force on their own and so they’re united and, together, they are a formidable force but what’s going to happen is that’s an unstable entity. At the point that that force gains power it’s going to come apart as internal dynamics rip it up. It’s not capable of restraining the version that recurs on the Right, the version that does manifest as white nationalism. That version is stable because it does represent an actual population that has an evolutionary basis for remaining cohesive.
I don’t think your truncated explanation of what it meant to be right or left is correct.
“The Right’s position was that since only a few people in society are capable of handling capital properly, transforming prosperity into more prosperity, those few should be given a free hand and be taxed lightly to enable them to make the state more prosperous.”
Uhh no.
The right did not limit their understanding to wealth creation but to a few — that idea is actually counter to what nearly all US citizens embraced. Which was that if you work hard you can advance and that government should not stand a barrier to success, for anyone — that was not bound to a state existence, but to individual achievement and reward.
“The Left believed that the resources and wealth of the state ought to be shared equitably.”
Uhhh, no.
The left contended that the system had artificial inequities and government ought to be a tool used to correct or balance out the disparities. And that application would be a collective effort. It was not originally a goal toward equal distribution regardless of effort.
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Caveat: the degree of either ethos was dependent on how far left or right one tended to lean. I am sure I would agree that one was either this or that exclusively.
The political is dead, if so because we have uncovered that that our current political leadership has no loyalty to any ideology.
That was the most Jewish thing I have read in a while. His tribe has played the biggest part in what he just described. White Nationalism is really the most viable way to save the country we created.
Correction:
I am not sure I would agree that one was either this or that exclusively.
“Yes. We are extremely slow to the lesson that it’s really all about who gets to live where and run things.”
That lesson was actually learned a long time ago by “we”. It’s just that some people don’t like how it is being currently applied.
“And about who gets to be the Who.”
The Who is me, too, and you.
The Jews need to understand that white people dont want to be ruled by them.
That white nationalism will not go away.
That white’s are aware of what Jews have done to them.
The question is what will you do, where will you go when the Zionist enterprse fails?
Actually, the world has a perfectly suitable new ethos and we’re quite happy with it. The US and its satellites are fighting a doomed, desperate rear-guard action against it. OHCHR authorized experts to travel the world and elicit it. You probably know of one of them, Alfred-Maurice de Zayas, if only from the furious vilification of Israel’s fatass keyboard commandos (ostensibly for some crimethink he committed regarding the absolute primacy of the holocaust in the world cosmic history of human suffering, you know how it is with those whiners.) The new ethos is irrevocably binding on Israel, due to its human rights commitments and the continuity of its obligations, and ineluctable compliance with it will end Israel as we know it.
https://www.ohchr.org/EN/Issues/IntOrder/Pages/Reports.aspx
So please don’t be another of those fussbudgets exhorting us to reinvent the wheel again. We have what we need. We’ll be all set when we knock over the tottering kleptocracies we’re stuck in.
Yes, except whatever non-white peoples’ wealth your kind’s grubby evil hands can plunder. E.g. Venezuela.
(insert favourite expletives) godless degenerate whiteys!!
Viva Maduro!!
Ex nihilo, historical models are dead by altering contexts.
The most meaningful utterance in a “decade” on unz.com. More of this, there must be a public for in depth and well defined vocabularies. A book’s worth.
No. Self-loathing mischlings are going into the cannibal pot too.
“No. Self-loathing mischlings are going into the cannibal pot too.”
You are projecting this self-loathing.
Eventually, the “keyboard commando” is always defeated by the real commando.
‘…The world we are part of desperately awaits a new ethos: a new ideology, religion, spirit, metaphysics, it may even be an anti ethos…’
The last time this happened, we got Nazism.
Yes a new ethos is needed.
Western Civilization is mature enough to produce a western Cosmology!!
Let it be sience based…but please please no Middle East imput.
The 3 middle eastern religions are corrupted beyond repair.
Science needs to raise itself out of materialism and ernestly explore consciousness and the spiritual realms.
This should have happened long ago as part of the enlightenment.
People are hanging on to the old religions because there apears to be no alternative.
Rudolf Steiner pointed the way…made a start.
I actually agree with that …
My criticism of white nationalism is limited to the fact that it is biologically driven politics.. However, i do argue that if women, gays and Jews identify politically with their ‘biology’ so can white people…this is how I understand universalism …
We may as well going there again… sorry to deliver the news …
We did arrive at National Socialism.
“Nazi” is a yiddish term meaning “half human”, which you can see applied to their half-German Ashkenazi branch. It is a yiddish racial slur against non-Jewish White people.
In that sense, “Nazism” from a Jewish perspective is any self-determinant political system of non-Jewish Whites that is free from Jews.
And it was vastly superior, morally and in every other way, to the system that it replaced and that we have now. Which is obvious to everyone, who does not have a stake as an outsider who feels the need to live among non-Jewish Whites. The others that it makes sense to are the morally decrepit, addicts, and some but not all LGBTQ people who do not and should not have sociopolitical priority over the interests of the majority.
Aside from lazily relying on the implied international taboos of the Jewish media, the Jewish qualifier signifying a group political ethic that mirrors and well surpasses what today is called Nazism, what is your complaint exactly? You failed to articulate it.
There was a time when I too believe in the enlightenment model and its universalist potential ,the past 50 years have made me embarrassed to think I was so naive because while one can still understand why we may have wished it were possible once we have been as it were red pilled (and as a native new yorker it there isn’t much about HBD you haven’t already internalized to some extent)
All human interaction is biologically driven, funding the chicoms to become our overlords was a stupendously retarded idea that only white people could have thought up. Perhaps you mean That if we were still or again a white nation then the redundancy of white ness in politics would be silly or maybe you think dangerous. I probably thought that as well once. And to some extent I would agree still that if we were obsessed about it it might be inefficient and problematic.
But theres two problems with your idea. First we are not a white nation any more and even more scary white nations that are a particular ethnicity of white like spanish or french are quickly becoming as non white as america which has always had about 10% non white mostly blacks. Furthermore this has happened by a method that incredibly was a anti white propaganda effort and legal assault which again could only have worked in white nations whites having this strange universalist gene which is really that whites found organizing around idea rather then genes could be beneficial they learned this while they were riding high from genetic organization and did not grasp the dangers and costs much like we didnt realize the cost of multiculturalism while riding the dividend of world war hegemony.
so here we are in a world hostile to whites and that hostility to us headquartered in our own lands, expressing itself in ethnic politics that are anti white. Politics being a proxy for war I could say youre right we should go straight to ethnic war, and i do say that because its clear the enemies have seized all the levers of power other than violence and so with politics we lose with war we win and this is the lefts doing jews really but no only jews just mostly and without whos work it never could have happened, and i dont blame you guys you too want to be hegemonic and nature demands we all do our best to win by any means necessary thats how life passes the baton. So first whites can not survive this multiculturalism unless we organize ethnically inb nations like USA it must be whiteness in places like flanders it should be flemish, elsewhere walloon cornish basque catalan, irish. Even then all european peoples must have some understanding that while they may only be mildly tribal the people of the ide the rest of the animal world is highly tribal and we need to some ectent ally for the strength to first stop killing each other and second some mutual defence of ourselves as a people.
perhaps a a post modern muh enlightenment possibly youre an american or yeah as a jew the sound of that is scary, it seems when one simply describes how the world was a mers 50 years aog in white nations and still is in all other nations people such as yourselves hear heil hitler, if the japanese want to remain japanese and their nation be reserved for their peole and culture or Peru t doesnt bother you but if the same is said about a white nation you hear “literally hitler” as if the only way the world is safe is if white extinguish ourselves, Oh no not extinguish you say just reduce yourselves to a hated minority and trust the rest of us will oversee your nations and you as our subjects fairly. Lol yeah now that didnt even work when we whites tried to manage the world and we are the least tribal no you intend our genocide whether you can admit it or not. So I dont see how on earth we stop and reverse that process except by organizing ethnically.But no i think we are long past politics
the second problem is imagining we were again like the koreans Israelis or other intact people state which is to say back in 1950 how explicitly genetic should our politics be if at all. Again there was a time i too would have thought it weird and alarming if it were very much at all. But then we must ask ourselves how did we get from 1950 to the current year? I wont get all into my belief that it had a lot to do with the “is it good for the jews” efforts. but lets just say whites failed to understand the limitations of universality philosophies they had developed cuck christianity which while geographically isolated from other ethnicities for a couple thousand years and before the genetics repercussions of this slave morality had set in served us well the altruis accruing to other whites since the distances began to shorten not so much. In fairness to the jews mischief the christian mischief was bad too however the difference is it was not intended to be bad and it was self harm not warfare. So we failed to understand not only that all men are not created equal but failed to discern in what ways whites were quite different and our edge became our achilles heel. Does this mean we need all the reconstituted white nations to be little nazi germany? No that would still be odd ineficient and maybe even dangerous though as said above might be needed in order to reconstitute. But long term all we need to do is be like we once were or like japan is or like Israel is, we would just need to remain cognizant that we were almost genocided at the peak of our power in a few decades because we failed to understand nature has set all life against all life and it is our sacred duty to nature and life to play our part to study how enlightenment was wrong about human nature probably because it grew out of cuck christianity and because we were genetically shaped by our own philosophy in a way that makes us uniquely vulnerable and we must vigilantly guard against this cuckiness that is a two edged sword. back in the 50s we were still not so pozzd that asserting white interest sand nationhood was still fine I was raised by schoolbooks that were not written by nazis but nevertheless recognized the unique abilities of the european peoples and I watched as those qualities and narative was ever so slyly reinterpretted year by year and frankly jews did this i watched it happen now I doubt jews could have accomplished this in say korea so whites have things they need to examine and one is to realize enlightenment is a white thing not a universal thing.
as for jews, i like them being a new yorker i have witnessed their mischief and forgave it for decades in truth i bought a lot of BS and made allowances for it i was naive enough of you guys are smart enough you had to see what i saw and understood it was evil to live in a mans house and work against him. We offered you full brotherhood you could instead of doing what has gotten you evicted or killed time after time for thousands of years instead done what america asked just fucking assimilated like every other white but instead you remained obstinately other and worked against us its been brilliant in ways on the other hand most of your success is more due to our goodness.So here we are whites in our own nations reading in our major papers universities airwaves that we are an inherently evil people that must be wiped out disempowered and disposed of all that we have built because we didn’t build it you all did we just stole it, its basically we are living as jews in weimar germany but in this case we its not the indigenous people working against invaders but the invaders working against the indigenous. Well I suppose we may be about to witness the first case of a earth life form voluntarily snuffing itself out, but i wouldn’t count on that its never happened before its more likely whites ideology civility has prevented enough whites yet from understand the existential threat that is so imminent and when they o which seems to be happening finally this past decade they will do what all animals do to survive and being the most capable of all life on earth ill bet white win.as in politics as whites begin to fight all other races will band together to prevent whites from reconstituting their national homelands and so the civil war will become quickly a ethnic war.Even if almost all the hispanics flee south theres going to be a lot of suffering and of course in europe as well and so when its over there will be a reckoning of who caused this and frankly how can we not say the jews were largely responsible from the overthrow of russia through the attempt to overthrow america jews have been at the forefront of the entire leftist project. The white involved have been mostly naive good leftists leftism that genuinely seeks to improve vs leftism that seeks to wreck for advantage which is why most leftism has a jew in the back and some starry eyed white in the front also whites have been running dogs for jews for personal advantage so yes lots of white traitors will die in the war and be held accountable but you guys are going to rightly be fund to be the planners
Yeah its a neo nazi fantasy vikings riding wolves you say? maybe mybe whites will be the first life form to sacrifice themselves for the other but i think thats the fantasy. its a fantasy to think somehow we are at the end of history and america is immune to civil war that it is a 1000 year reich, that google makes it all powerful, this universalm has raised the han chinese to superpower status and they dont have a slave morality they rightly understand themselves to be like jews and japs the center of the universe, we have a quadrillion in credit default swaps hanging over the west are on the verge of spending as much in interest on prior deficits run up to make non whites seem equal to whites in essence 2/3 of our spending is debt because multiculturalism even if the slants dont use that we are still going to collapse and when we do its on.and who made interest on all that sovereign debt who owns the central banks and prints money in our names? No its a fantasy to think this can all keep going on its over very soon.
There one way to unwind this with minimal violence but it wont happen but jews who have all the power now could declare themselves finally white and white nationalist and reverse the propaganda machine and unwind the multiculturalism in which case most white would forgive what you already did.But you wont, nothing prevents jews from being whites but themselves even genetically akz jews are as white as say bulgarians 60% italian dna culturally you share a lot if only because you have been paraticizing us for millenia. you could have after we saved you from a just expulsion by the nazis changed your ways instead you simply transferred the whole operation to america
how can we whites not become ethnic when everyone else is. Now thers a bit of hope a few jews do seem to get this in some ways usually pretty limitedly yet UNZ Yarvin Auster and quite a few others have demonstrated its possible for a jew to transcend the jew perspective and become a white person , but its definitely not the universalist cuck muh enlightenment path to do that while i get you might be sincere in thinking this as many cuck whites are like jordy peterson national review etc surely think this i the only reasonable way to be. but its just not reality its not how nature made us and we have to grow up and face this, maybe in a reconstituted white nations we can salvage some enlightenmentism with caveats, but it wont be your fathers enlightenment but there was a period in early enlightenment where we realized its limitations, jefferson did not think blacks women or men of lower classes should vote or that democracy meant or implied what cucks think it does today, maybe when we have restored ethno states and patriarchy and taken the vote from non net taxpaying men we can allow limited freedom but part of the problem is we failed to grasp the real tension between a very fragile civilization and personal freedom perhaps because the world was still not fully explored and exit still possible but until we have topped breeding useless blacks to support and opped up space for white exit freedom will have to be subordinated to the need for preservation of the civilization and i hate this i personally build my own airplanes and electrical plants i am one of those rare men that is in fact not just an island but a small nation with subjects but I have to admit we can not have a nation that carve ot special privileges for me because next thing you know world war toddler tranny- unless of course im king which is a thought
All effective politics are biologically driven politics. Anything else is vulnerable to control by the more effective biologically driven politics of hostile groups. Your sense of universalism indirectly acknowledges this truth.
It follows that any attack on the politics of resisting White identity politics is punching down to the one possible effective measure against the hostile Jewish group in charge of a vast foreign majority.
As you intuit, we have two semi-practical choices. We can have the total dissolution of political identity across the world. Second, we can have true nations for all.
Only Jews, out of an entitlement to complete supremacy, find the notion of one Jewish nation and dissolution for everyone else to be moral or desirable.
How does a religious group get around the obvious universal immorality of that ethic?
That’s easy. They qualify only themselves as human, everyone else as an animal, and therefore they are the only humans on the planet who can dictate morality.
This is who you give leverage to when attacking any nationalism other than theirs.
It isn’t practical, even if it were desirable, to dissolve all other nationalities. Geographical space will always create the cultural differentiation that leads to race and nation. Therefore, any plan for worldwide national dissolution is a plan for never-ending war on human nature and thus on ever-forming and evolving groups across the world.
In general, that process can only be contained and managed within the confines of a nation. especially if we are to take the cultural and psychological happiness of the groups within into account.
I pray we get the Jerusalemite approach. Socrates was a legitimate threat to Athens.
The last thing a society wants is some impious philosopher to redesign society only to realise it’s a vastly more complicated machine than he expected. Libya is not a society we should aspire to become, yet that’s just what the philosophers would have us be, after they tear down all structures and sources of meaning, virtue, order.
The final words of the great philosophers after breaking a society: “Oops! We didn’t know.”
Quintessentially, people think first and mainly of their material situation. Starting in the late 50s there were a lot of non Europeans let into Britain with relatively speaking not all that much of a reaction, but that immigration was not primarily perceived as affecting wages.
The EU immigration was thought to be unlikely to spark any big reaction because it was white and thus the tribal-racial angle was not salient. However the EU immigration was very different in how it affected ordinary people. The EU migrant worker in the UK constituted a wage policy on indigenous workers. Blair’s government opened up Britain to EU workers who were as white as can be, but that was the problem the EU workers were many and qualified candidates for every sort of job. It was a relatively sudden, intense and no end in sight flooding in of them as more countries joined the EU. Hence the armyies of EU immigrant whites were in a obviously direct competition with Brit workers and keeping their wages from rising.
Going by Brexit, it is a mistake to discount the masses’ feelings about other than racial motivations. Race is not all that powerful. However, if you take the bread from people’s mouths, even a tiny little bit and do so with the prospect of progressively more being taken in future, then you will see what they really do care about.
“Is this spirit going to refresh our yearning for the universal, poetic, and the ethical consistent with Western Athenian roots or is it going to be repressive, hateful and tribal in accordance with the Jerusalemite approach that has been threatening Athens for two millennia?”
False characterization of Athens. The Greeks and the Athenians were racially aware. Nobody but Greeks with family lineage…to be citizens, etc. The rest is liberal pablum. Read Thucidides and get your balls out.
Even within Hellas, the various Greeks and their dialects and the Ionian vs. Dorian were very real.
Everybody else, especially the Persians, were barbarians without law, etc.
It is not either Athens or Jerusalem, it is White vs. the lower races…who never invented free speech, including the Jews.
So it is sort of Athens against the rest of the World, Chinks especially, who are the new Persians for us.
Joe Webb
“this is how I understand universalism”. sounds like Humpty-Dumpty…a word means exactly what I say it means.
Pure arrogance of Atzmon. He will Decide what Universalism means.
A liberal fraud, etc. He does not like biology…tough shit Bud. Biology driving politics is the first law of the real world, a Darwinian world, not one defined by jews, commies, liberals, or whatever.
Joe Webb