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After the Pittsburgh Synagogue shooting, I posted a short news item about Cherev Gidon, an ‘Israeli Tactical Training Academy’ in Pennsylvania. The Israeli-style military school teaches American Jews some of the IDF commando’s essential manoeuvres. Yonatan Stern, Cherev Gidon’s founder, contacted me a day later. He said that my report had been balanced. He wrote an open and intellectually engaging note. I replied, asking whether he would agree to an interview. We met earlier this week in a kosher pizzeria in Monticello, a small town in the Catskills of New York.

Those who follow my work know that despite my sharp disagreements with Zionism, Israeli politics and West Bank setters in particular, I find more honesty in Right Wing Zionism than in the entire spectrum of the Jewish Identitarian Left. Although I probably agree on many crucial political matters with JVP activists and Mondoweiss readers, I see the Jewish left as an inherently duplicitous project. My point is that notwithstanding my almost complete ideological differences with right wing Zionists, their frankness about their principles allow our disagreements to be honestly debated. Unlike the Jewish Left that speaks of universal principles but thinks and acts tribally, the Jewish nationalist position is as coherent as it is immoral.

At the Kosher pizza place in Monticello, I met a nice and friendly young man. Yonatan’s political views were well developed: authentic, rational and totally consistent with his core beliefs. He had no gated enclaves, no ‘no go’ zones that he attempted to keep out of our discussion.

Yonatan was born about 100 miles outside of New York City, not far from where we were in the Catskill mountains. His parents made Aliyah when he was a child. The family settled in Kiryat Arbah, in what was probably the most radicalised, belligerent West Bank settlement. The second Intifada caught Yonatan when he was 16 years old. He was practically living in a war zone for the next seven years, and according to him, it was this extended experience that shaped his worldview. I spent my formative years from ages 16 to 23 in Hebron during the 2nd intifada. You saw gun battles day after day, you saw people being hit.” In his early twenties, Yonatan left Israel and returned to the United States.

In a recent Israeli TV interview, Yonatan explained that he was motivated to form an Israeli military training school in America by the March in Charlottesville. The chants of “Jews won’t replace us” reminded him of the rise of the Nazis. But he doesn’t like the leftists either. The Antifa evokes in him bad memories of Stalin’s antisemitsm. So I asked Yonatan why Jewish history repeats itself. How is it possible that Jews are once again opposed by both the right and the left? The ex settler’s answer may take some readers by surprise.

“In your work” he said, “you, Gilad, argue that Jews need to do introspection. Rather than saying ‘the world hates us,’ we should ask whether there is anything we are doing to provoke this antisemitsm. This is an essential question that Jews both left and right refuse to ask themselves. It is the one question you [Gilad] ask, it is the one question I ask.”

I was thrilled that Yonatan was familiar with my writings. I mentioned that I didn’t invent this question. The theme was thoroughly explored by early Zionists who tried to grasp the logos in the anti-Semitic argument.

“There is a very good reason history repeats itself,” Yonatan continued. “Antisemitsm is not about evil goyim who want to kill us. A lot of Antisemitsm is a result of actions Jews take which cause antisemitsm. We cannot effectively counter antisemitsm just by the ADL shaming people who say things about Jews, I don’t support this approach at all. I believe in freedom of speech. I don’t even support laws against holocaust denial and as a grandson of a holocaust survivor I know how real the holocaust was… I believe that Jews play a large part in antisemitsm and in order to fight antisemitsm we have to fight it in two ways and I am fighting it in both ways: I am reacting physically to the symptoms but I also try to challenge the basis of antisemitsm by speaking out, telling Jews that the root of a lot of antisemitsm in America is the adoption by many Jews in the last century of multi-culturalism, leftism, socialism, cultural Marxism, communism, all these evil ideologies of the left which started with Karl Marx and even before him. All these ideologues corrupted Jews to the core.”

Yonatan is clearly not a liberal Jew.

“You, Gilad, speak about Jewish exceptionalism. We [Jews] are supposed to be a light to the nations, but we do the opposite… When Jews promote open borders they actually undermine the nations in which they live. When the average white Christian American sees Jews pushing for thousands of Islamic terrorists and Somali refugees and Latin American criminals and members of cartels to come into the country and pushing for affirmative action and a homosexual agenda and they do all of it in the name of Judaism… What they do, they tell people , ‘this is Judaism, we exploit your gratitude, we are coming to your country, we are undermining it from within, [we] cause the country to collapse on itself and if you call us ‘dirty Jews’ we will say you are a ‘filthy anti-Semitic Nazi’.”

Yonatan, an ultra Zionist Jew, is presenting what many liberals may identify as the core right wing anti-Semitic argument. Although it would be practically impossible for a goy to survive after making such statements, I somehow don’t think that Yonatan suffers any form of exclusion for saying what he thinks about his people.

“You seem to have predicted the synagogue shooting; you saw it coming, how?” I asked him.

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“For decades now so many liberal Jews have been pushing for cultural Marxism. So many Jewish political leaders are behind this. The movement is funded by George Soros who is clearly a Jew. But I consider him the opposite of a Jew. I see him as a malevolent force and other Jews who are in government and the Left … all of it really started with Saul Alinsky who set the foundation for the Antifa. They have been pushing it for 50 years. Of course, not all Jews subscribe to these ideas. There are many orthodox Jews who believe in the complete opposite. But because these people do it in the name of Judaism [so naturally] we all get pushed into the same boat. It was obvious that at some point somebody would snap…. the only question was when.. someone on the right would have to take action to respond to what they see as an assault on American heritage.”

Yonatan asked to make it clear that he was by no means justifying the attack on the synagogue. What he did, instead, was to attempt to understand the rationale that led to the Pittsburgh attack. Yonatan further predicted that “the next attack will come from the Left. They are very violent, subversive in the spirit Lenin and Trotsky.”

In the Israeli TV item about Cherev Gidon, Yonatan mentioned that the goal of his training unit is for “every synagogue to have an armed Jew ready to defend it.” I asked Yonatan if he believes that American Muslims should be entitled to explore the same right. Should they also train with submachine guns and automatic riffles and be ready to defend their mosques?

As you might expect, Yonatan wasn’t enthusiastic about the idea. “If they [the Muslims] were peaceful people yes, but the reality is that they, through their own actions, are showing us that they are not a peaceful people for the most part. There is a tremendous radicalism amongst Muslims these days.”

I challenged him again. “Let’s try to understand what is going on here. You clearly see yourself as entitled to enjoy the 2nd amendment but you think Muslims are not.”

“In regard to Muslims as a group, once they are in a mosque in America and across the West they are extremely radicalized, they use armaments for the purpose of terrorism and not for the purpose of self defense. We have to understand the difference, Judaism is not a religion that is looking to attack anyone.”

I told Yonatan that his statement can be easily challenged: Baruch Goldstein, an American-Israeli physician, a settler and an orthodox Jew like himself, was a mass shooter in 1994 at the Cave of the Patriarchs massacre in Hebron, killing 29 Palestinian Muslim worshippers and wounding 125. Goldstein didn’t use his automatic riffle for ‘self defense.’ Nor is the Jewish State deploying its F16s and drones in a ‘self defense’ mode in Gaza, Lebanon or Syria. Statistics of casualties in the region do not really help the Israeli or the Jewish case.

I asked Yonatan, “Do you want to live in a society where people defend their shrines with sub machine guns and automatic rifles?”

“Yes, absolutely,” was Yonatan’s answer; “an armed society is a polite society.”

“So you basically believe that it is a good idea to live in a society where people are armed to their teeth?”

“I think that it is a wonderful idea. This is the America I want to live in. People respect each other when everyone is armed.”

Since Yonatan was immersed in part of the American ethos, I wanted to examine his approach to the American ideals of equal opportunity and no discrimination. “Will you agree to train Hammed or Ibrahim and to share with them the deep secrets of Israeli tactics?”

Yonatan was absolutely clear. “I have the right to deny service to anyone I want…I train many non Jews, what you may call rednecks, Mexicans, but if a Jewish Lefty, a Jew member of Antifa, asks to join my course I will tell him as well to go away.”

I guess that Hamed and Ibrahim aren’t going to be amongst Cherev Gidon’s graduates. They may have to enrol in another military training gymnasium.

Before we ended, I asked Yonatan, “Are you an American who happens to be a Jew, or are you what early Zionist Chaim Weizmann defined as ‘a Jew who lives in America?’”

“I don’t define it as either. I am first and foremost a Jew, I was born a Jew and I will die a Jew. Nothing will ever come before that. This is my children’s identity as it was my grandparents’ identity when they walked into Auschwitz. But in terms of my nationality, I am American, this is my country, this is the country that has given me the freedom to do what I do, to be successful in my career, to defend myself. Israel didn’t give me that right.”

At that stage, there was a necessary question remaining. “Would you consider fighting for America?”

“If this country needed me, absolutely.”

 
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  1. Rational says:

    WELCOME MR. ATZMON, TO UNZ.COM

    Thanks for the interesting article, Mr. Atzmon. First and foremost, you would not believe how glad I am to see you here! What a wonderful surprise!

    You truly are one of the greatest men alive today!

    About this interview, the settler really hit the nail on the head with the following words:

    “What they do, they tell people , ‘this is Judaism, we exploit your gratitude, we are coming to your country, we are undermining it from within, [we] cause the country to collapse on itself and if you call us ‘dirty Jews’ we will say you are a ‘filthy anti-Semitic Nazi’.””

    Every Judaist must cut and paste this on the wall in front of them.

  2. ‘Judaism is not a religion that is looking to attack anyone’

    With that statement, Stern blots his copybook. Two examples, out of many, to the contrary:

    ● Israel Shahak, writing in Jewish History, Jewish Religion: ‘Judaism is imbued with a very deep hatred towards Christianity, combined with ignorance about it. This attitude was clearly aggravated by the Christian persecutions of Jews, but is largely independent of them.’

    ● The 19th-century German historian Heinrich Graetz, quoted by Kevin MacDonald in Separation and Its Discontents [PDF, 163]: ‘Graetz perceived Jews as battling to destroy Christian culture: “we must above all work to shatter Christianity.”’

  3. A stunning discussing. It’s beautiful (and refreshing) to see an interview between two people with opposing positions have much respect for each other. Bravo, Gilad Atzmon and Yonatan Stern.

    • Replies: @Gilad Atzmon
  4. Atzmon and Stern are, no doubt, “exceptional” Jews

    in general, though, both Zionist Jews and Leftist Jews subscribe to the open borders/welcome the stranger Tikkun Olam.

    the only dif is that the (((Reds))) apply it to White Nations AND Israhell, while the Zionists (“American” proposition nation neo-conz in particular) do not apply it to Israhell.

    • Replies: @padre
    , @dvorak
    , @Svigor
  5. I am glad you are here, Gilad! I have been a long time admirer of yours. I was delighted to see that Ron had invited you here to join the Unz review. Best wishes to you and I look forward to seeing more of your writings here.

  6. anon[323] • Disclaimer says:

    In a recent Israeli TV interview, Yonatan explained that he was motivated to form an Israeli military training school in America by the March in Charlottesville. The chants of “Jews won’t replace us” reminded him of the rise of the Nazis.

    well that certainly makes sense

    you’re a nahtzee if you don’t want to be replaced

    • Agree: Z-man
    • Replies: @Sic Semper
    , @anonymous
  7. anon[323] • Disclaimer says:

    Since Yonatan was immersed in part of the American ethos, I wanted to examine his approach to the American ideals of equal opportunity and no discrimination. “Will you agree to train Hammed or Ibrahim and to share with them the deep secrets of Israeli tactics?”

    these are NOT American ideals – this is imposed bullsh1t by the left

    Yonatan was absolutely clear. “I have the right to deny service to anyone I want…I train many non Jews, what you may call rednecks, Mexicans, but if a Jewish Lefty, a Jew member of Antifa, asks to join my course I will tell him as well to go away.”

    he has the right answer here – FREEDOM, FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION

    • Replies: @Gilad Atzmon
  8. wayfarer says:

    U.S. Required to Give Israel $10,500,000 Each Day
    source: https://ifamericaknew.org/stat/usaid.html
    source: https://fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33222.pdf

    U.S. National Debt Clock
    source: http://www.usdebtclock.org/

    Israel, the Hypocrite Nation

    • Replies: @follyofwar
    , @FKA Max
  9. Fred says:

    The Jew and Gentile conflict goes back to the time of Christ. You take the religion of both sides out of the picture you still get the non-believers exploiting their Judaic heritage for tribal and exclusive ends. So it is not religion causing the divide.
    Cearly, the Jews want to keep concentrating power and wealth and self-promoting themselves as the special and chosen people of God thinking they are the only ones who can manage things properly, that they are chosen to be the leader race of the world. It is not very different from the BS myth of the “superior” Aryan nation.
    Well they have been running the UK and most European finances for about 200 years after taking over with the mancinations of the Rothschild’s, and they have been running US banks and finances for over 100 years playing on the weaknesses greed of amoral goyim aristocrats and leaders, and we have had nothing but major wars and restlessness. Can’t blame them for everything but they are so powerful that they will not even allow anyone to blame them for any abuses of power, like they have some sort of God complex and must remain invisible.
    Certainly they have not behaved like other distinct cultural groups which just blend in but are not absorbed. Seems that they feel compelled to control and to take every opportunity to promote themselves. Not every Jew but the Zionists mainly. Perhaps living with people who are not necessarily any more moral than you are and according to the law of the jungle in a dog eat dog world they must think that pushing things like fluoridation is okay.
    When they did not buy into Christian beliefs and morals then in living in a Christian culture they were separated and at times persecuted. But then you read parts of the Talmud and you have to wonder if some of the persecution did not arise from an attitude that it was justified to exploit the cattle-like goyim.
    After 9/11 that was it for me regarding any justification for Zionist tribalism, left wing or right wing. Then have a look at their treatment of the Palestinians. If the Jews are the chosen people then who did the choosing? Certain not the Christian God which they do not buy into anyway. If they would treat people that way in a place they call their own nation, then what they do and have done in other nations not their own for their own advancement should not be a mystery.
    As a Christian I regard myself as an adopted child of God. Those who have rejected their own longed-for Messiah in my view have forsaken their heritage and the blessing which comes from God. They have traded it for a pottage of material wealth, power and the most despicable thing of all, the praise and esteem of others. The problem today for the people of the West is they have forsaken the same birthright, and we are witnessing its complete demise.
    No I do not hate Jews or even Zionists, but I have a hard time understanding religious Jews in their restless waiting for Godot and I cannot respect Zionists in their ruthless and exclusive tribalism.

    • Replies: @polnick
  10. peterAUS says:

    Now….if only a White, Christian American male could say only 10 % of what Mr. Stern said above. Only 10 %, in his own (or so he believes) country.

    “I have a dream” to see that happens, just once, in next year or so.

    Not asking for too much I hope: 10 % only.

    • Replies: @cassandra
  11. tac says:

    Here is what Israelis will not tell you about what he Palestinian have to go through on daily basis:

    Jew Supremacists in all of their glory:

    • Agree: Druid
    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    , @Z-man
    , @tac
  12. What strikes me is that, for a group that makes up 2% of America’s population and about 0.2% of the world’s, Jews demand a hell of a lot of attention.

    Think if we had to fret this much about Mormons, Bahais, Druze, or the Amish.

    • Agree: Stan d Mute, Svigor
    • Replies: @follyofwar
  13. Tyrion 2 says:

    Stern’s critcism of Jewish leftists like Goldberg’s of white nationalists is of their political ideology, not their existence as non-political human beings.

    Kevin Macdonald’s criticism of Jews is rooted in what he wishes were their nature.

    That’s the distinction.

    Stern doesn’t speak like a right-wing anti-Semite. He is anti-leftist. The anti-Semites of the right tend to begin to dislike something merely because a Jew is involved or, worse, if they dislike something they’ll pretend to themselves that a Jew is involved (if one isn’t, of course.)

    • Replies: @neutral
    , @Svigor
  14. ” “I don’t define it as either. I am first and foremost a Jew, I was born a Jew and I will die a Jew. Nothing will ever come before that. This is my children’s identity as it was my grandparents’ identity when they walked into Auschwitz ”
    He knows about Soros, but does not have a clue about Bernard Baruch.
    He also does not know about Hitler’s 1939 warning to jews, ‘ausrotten’, if they again started a world war.
    In this ignorance, if there were gas chambers for humans in Auschwitz, an unimportant detail.
    That some ten million Germans died in WWII, what does it matter ?

  15. mcohen says:

    American jewish left have lost the plot.End of story.Gender neutral pronouns ?
    More like gender neutered pronuts.All bag and no ball.

  16. @Johnny Rottenborough

    ” ‘Graetz perceived Jews as battling to destroy Christian culture: “we must above all work to shatter Christianity.”’ ”
    Why not ?
    Rabbi Graetz of Krakow wrote in his ten volume, or so, history of the jews, published around 1880, ‘that conscience plays no role in jewish culture’.
    Houston Stewart Chamberlain, ‘Die Grundlagen des Neunzehnten Jahrhunderts’, 1898- 1907, München

  17. How on earth can a “settler” (squatter?) on Palestine’s West Bank possibly be a “patriotic” American?

    America is not Palestine; Palestine is not America. Never was and never will be.

    Now, can you possibly stop trying to shove your obsessions down the throats of actual Americans?

    Talk about “the kid stays in the picture” (or at least never stops trying to)…….

  18. “If this country needed me, absolutely.”

    Notice it’s not ‘my country’ but ‘this country’ the slip’s revealing but at least he’s honest. America’s just a passport for him.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  19. padre says:
    @Haxo Angmark

    I would realy like to know,where do you find all those (((Reds)))!My country used to be a “Red” state, but there is no trace of Reds nowadays, they all died of old age, some ten, twenty years ago!They also used to be called communists, or are you by Reds referring to somethinfg else?

    • Replies: @Rich
  20. Heros says:

    “as a grandson of a holocaust survivor I know how real the holocaust was”

    Yet another offspring of holohoax “survivors”. For decades the number of “survivors” has increased exponentially until it is now approaching the sacred number of 6 million dead itself. Yet there were 3.6m jews in all of Europe occupied by the “Nazi’s” during WWII, and that ignores the millions that “escaped”. Subtract this land stealing jews retarded fantasy number of 6 million gassed jews, and guess what? There cannot be any survivors! This Yonathan “settler” idiot is a living, breathing contradiction to the lie he so bitterly clings too. This makes any Trump loving “Anti-Semite” a genius in comparison because rednecks can do simple math like

    (3.6 million -6 million ) = (big fat lie + no survivors).

    Yet jews consistently are incapable of doing simple math like this, just as they are incapable of any moral logos like “steal not thy neighbors land and sendeth him not into concentration camps as bad as Auschwitz”.

    There was also a clear lack of mention of the Jewish holy war against BDS and the goyim right of free speach about jewish land thieves like Yonatin. These anti-BDS laws are more insidious than the Holohoax denial laws.

    Here is a good Wednesdays Trunews podcast about BDS, Rick really shows how much jews hate Christians through their own actions:

    https://www.trunews.com/podcast/are-anti-bds-laws-un-american

    • Replies: @Z-man
  21. neutral says:

    I don’t define it as either. I am first and foremost a Jew, I was born a Jew and I will die a Jew. Nothing will ever come before that.

    At least he is honest enough to admit where the ultimate loyalty lies.

    As for the whole “left or right” jew debate, the secular international jew types are all derived eventually from orthodox religious types. If you are pro white then you will see that Israel is as much a problem as the international jew type is

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  22. @Rational

    Tx so much for your support…

    • Replies: @FKA Max
    , @FKA Max
  23. @anon

    As you may have noticed, I quoted Yonatan’s answer and made his position clear.

    • Replies: @anon
  24. Tyrion 2 says:
    @tac

    The refugee camp is for Palestinians and in a Palestinian administered area. It has been 70 years and it is still lived in. Such solidarity these Palestinians show each other…

    I’ve been there. It isn’t dangerous. There’s loads of new expensive buildings owned by Palestinians next door. Yet it is still there. Crazy.

    • Troll: L.K
    • Replies: @Svigor
  25. Rich says:
    @padre

    Antifa would be a Red organization. BLM is another. The various incarnations of the old Communist Party USA are still around, visit a college campus, or two. The democrat party has drifted pretty far into Red territory. You have many declared socialists, and many, who use the rhetoric of communism, without calling themselves communists.

  26. Z-man says:
    @tac

    I was a fan of Gerard Butler from 300 and that movie he made with Jennifer Aniston in Brooklyn, … The Bounty Hunter, just looked it up (Grin), but now I’m going to start a Gerard Butler Defense Fund because he’s gonna be blacklisted in Jewlywood. (Wry grin)

  27. Z-man says:

    Yonatan…

    … and they call me anti Semitic, lol.

    • Replies: @Heros
  28. Z-man says:
    @Heros

    For decades the number of “survivors” has increased exponentially until it is now approaching the sacred number of 6 million dead itself.

    Actually ‘Heros’ thru the good work of Holocaust Revisionists that magic 6 Million figure has been pretty much debunked. Unfortunately not from the owned MSM. But that too will change, have faith.

  29. wayfarer says:

    Pittsburgh Shooting: Evidence of False Flag
    source: https://www.veteranstoday.com/2018/10/30/pittsburgh-shooting-evidence-of-false-flag-fakery-surfaces/

    Israel’s ‘War on Terror’ has Cost US Taxpayers nearly $6 Trillion and Killed roughly Half a Million People.
    source: https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/news

    MAGA Bomber And Pittsburgh Synagogue Shooting False Flags
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dfLKXC5MxE

    Police Audio of Pittsburgh Synagogue Shooting

  30. @anon

    Usually when one resists the talmudic terror, they end up in mass graves after having been used in “medical experiments” – obviously this means the ascendant talmudic terror is not yet in complete power.

  31. neutral says:
    @Tyrion 2

    pretend to themselves that a Jew is involved

    Here are the hard facts.
    Marxism – (((Marx)))
    Libertarianism/Free Market fundamentalists – (((Alisa Rosenbaum, aka Ayn Rand))) , (((Mises)))
    Pychoanalysis – (((Freud))
    USSR – (((Lenin))), (((Trotsky)))
    SJW/open society/antifa movements – (((Soros))) and other forture 400 (((billionaires)))
    Big tech censorship – (((ADL))), (((SPLC))), (((Zuckerberg))), (((Brin)))
    Hollywood and other pop culture entertainment – easily all senior positions at the very least 50% jewish.

    Note that these are not fringe figures, all these people mentioned are fundamental to creating these political ideologies, how in any way is this “pretending”??? The jew really is to blame, which is also why they are so hell bent on censoring and jailing people for stating these blatant truths.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    , @anon
  32. Agent76 says:

    Jun 6, 2017 50 Years After Launching June 1967 War, Israel Continues World’s Longest Military Occupation

    In the final installment of our three-part special on the 50th anniversary of the June 1967 war, author and scholar Norman Finkelstein discusses why the U.S.-backed “peace process” was never meant to end the Israeli occupation, and how, despite the ongoing brutality, mass Palestinian civil resistance could still bring it to an end.

  33. Agent76 says:

    Feb 28, 2017 Jews Protesting Israeli Settlements in Hebron

    On February 28, 2017 a number of groups have gathered in New York City in a Open Shuhada Street rally, to protest the past 50 years of occupation of the West Bank and Gaza, and in particular against the Israeli settlements in Hebron.

    • Replies: @Z-man
    , @Svigor
  34. Tyrion 2 says:
    @neutral

    Marxism – (((Marx)))

    Marxism is a brilliant sui generis philosophy of history. The attending political position was a heartfelt reaction to the immiseration of the working classes of Europe.

    There were many similar ideologies to Marxism in political viewpoint, but Marxism is outstandingly intellectually interesting.

    Marx is not differentiated from other (Gentile) socialists by his politics but by his genius. I doubt his part Jewishness had much to do with that.

    Libertarianism/Free Market fundamentalists – (((Alisa Rosenbaum, aka Ayn Rand))) , (((Mises)))

    Jews have made up a huge proportion of decent economists from all economic perspectives.

    Meanwhile, Ayn Rand was an highly eccentric writer of romantic fiction that lucidly captured the snivelling, resentment fueled scumbags who make up the denizens of the swamp.

    Pychoanalysis – (((Freud)

    Freud’s psychoanalysis might be flawed but his work constitutes a truly great body of literature and the invention of a new and important subject. He is one of the greatest thinkers of all time.

    USSR – (((Lenin))), (((Trotsky)

    Lenin wasn’t Jewish. Trotsky was. Lenin was in charge, while Trotsky ended up murdered while in ignominious exile.

    SJW/open society/antifa movements – (((Soros))) and other forture 400 (((billionaires)))

    I’m not sure how you think antifa and billionaires are best buddies but Jews are obviously a minority among billionaires.

    Soros is deranged. There are plenty of bad people in every group. There are more maniac progressive types among Jews. The explanations are mundane.

    Big tech censorship – (((ADL))), (((SPLC))), (((Zuckerberg))), (((Brin)))

    Again, Jews are a small minority of those enacting big tech censorship. Indeed, America remains one of human history’s least censored societies. That doesn’t make it good but you need get some perspective before you go all crazy.

    Hollywood and other pop culture entertainment – easily all senior positions at the very least 50% jewish

    Nonsense. And a lot of that stuff is pretty good.

    The jew really is to blame, which is also why they are so hell bent on censoring and jailing people for stating these blatant truths.

    Is this self-satire?

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Rich
  35. anon[100] • Disclaimer says:

    At that stage, there was a necessary question remaining. “Would you consider fighting for America?”

    “If this country needed me, absolutely.”

    this sounds like a “No” to me

    its the kind of thing someone says when he never considered the possibility of it ever happening

    also what has this guy ever done to be called an “American Patriot”???

  36. anon[100] • Disclaimer says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    maybe i’m not understanding you but you claimed “equal opportunity and no discrimination” are American ideals, i didn’t say he said it but he did have a correct response in that he believes in Freedom

    “equal opportunity and no discrimination” are no more American ideals than are “diversity is our greatest strength” or “give us your poor, your tired…..” – all are just more lies imposed by the left, who presumed to speak for all Americans

  37. Heros says:
    @Z-man

    Dailystormer nailed “Yonotan”

  38. anon[100] • Disclaimer says:
    @neutral

    Hollywood and other pop culture entertainment – easily all senior positions at the very least 50% jewish.

    might even be closer to 75% if you look at those accused of sexual improprieties in the last year or so and if that is an accurate sample

  39. Z-man says:
    @Agent76

    A righteous Jew, may Jesus protect him.

    • Replies: @Agent76
  40. anon[100] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Lenin wasn’t Jewish. Trotsky was. Lenin was in charge, while Trotsky ended up murdered while in ignominious exile.

    apparently Lenin was part jewish and had disdain for white people, ethnic Russians

    Trotsky was the racist he accused others of being – he wanted to fill Russia with what he called “white n1ggers” presumably to ruled by jews like himself – what right a 5% has to rule the rest of the country? It would be like Chinese ruling the U.S.

    Again, Jews are a small minority of those enacting big tech censorship.

    really? (((Facebook))), (((Google))), and (((SPLC))) and (((ADL))) are the so called “safety advisors” so no leftist or jew should ever have to stumble upon the truth on those sites

    also, why do you thnk BitChute lost access to PayPal and Stripe? why do think Paul Nehlen suddenly had trouble with his upstream suppliers for the business he manages? its because jews behind the scenes collude against and punish any competitiors or anyone speaking out about jews – this is what they do

    Indeed, America remains one of human history’s least censored societies.

    no thanks to the jews, who have pulled this “hate speech” crap already in Canada, UK, Australia, and Europe. They are the reason those countries don’t have Free Speech and they’re coming for Free Speech here in the U.S. too – because (((their))) feelings are more important than your rights

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  41. Tyrion 2 says:
    @anon

    Is any of your post anything more than how you feel?

    • Replies: @anon
  42. Durruti says:

    Once more:

    I am not an anti-Semite. I like Arabs.

    The overwhelming majority of Jews are not Semites (peoples from the Middle East). Most Jews’ points of origin are in Europe.

    My family (mother’s side) German Jews – not a Semite in the bunch. Mostly blond haired & blue eyes.

    There is real resistance to those, who attempt to clarify this vital point. Ron Unz, this is your website, and these are some of your topics. Why fear to tread? Why fear the truth? You’ve come so far. Come all the way into the light.

    Most Jews come from – – – Read Arthur Koestler’s “The Thirteenth Tribe” as a start for your education and a cure for your being brainwashed.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thirteenth_Tribe

    &

    https://www.bing.com/shop?q=the+thirteenth+tribe+koestler&FORM=SHOPPA&originIGUID=9A859D826E0441D89971DA67F8762DAF

    Have received some threatening emails, and despite all the political views this Anarchist has, the threats have ALL been in response to my analysis of just who are, and are not Semites. Unz, and Commentators, I need no help here. I fear not, and cannot live forever.

    Orwell’s 1984, explains in detail the use of false language and false History as the KEY tools in repressing Humanity, and Humanity’s Liberty.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four

    &

    https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=nineteen+eighty-four&qpvt=nineteen+eighty-four&FORM=IGRE

    The misidentification of just who Semites are is a powerful weapon in the hands of the Zionist Land Thieves and their American, British, & French puppets. The Jewish claim to Semitism goes in tandem with their insistence on their right to exterminate Palestinians and occupy their land, and later, the Zionist Oligarchs will continue to occupy all the Middle East “eretz Israel,” and concurrently, they will occupy and control (with the weapons of financial/banking and physical terror), the peoples of this planet.

    It is no wonder Gilad Atzmon has it all wrong. Look for no help here.

    Jews have not been the only recipients of the Brutality that humans often inflict on one another. And Jews have not been specially singled out, over Serbians, Russians, Chinese, Armenians, Native Americans, Iraqis, Syrians, Vietnamese, Indonesians (1965), Yemenis, Libyans, Afghanis, Africans (slavery and neo colonizing of their nations), and dozens more.

    Jews belong (yes, they, with all the rest of Earth’s people, belong). Jews belong in America, and Europe, where they may reside in happiness and freedom with all the other peoples, and, if they wish, they may visit their newly Freed and Happy Palestinian friends, (and host them in their European and American homes) – as well.

    We American Patriots, we will host all, in our Restored American Republic.

    And America’s finest statesman, Dr. Ron Paul, will become our First Constitutional President – since John F. Kennedy.

    The Living Dream, and do not Fear.

    Durruti for the Anarchist Collective

    • LOL: Stan d Mute
  43. anon[100] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tyrion 2

    you’d like to believe

    • Troll: Tyrion 2
  44. Denis says:

    It’s great to finally see your writings on this site, Mr. Atzmon. I was wondering whether or not the Unz review would get you on board eventually, you seemed like a perfect fit for this place. This was a good read, much like the last article of yours that was posted here, and I look forward to reading more from you.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
  45. Rich says:
    @Tyrion 2

    I’m surprised you would laud Marxism in any way. It is a philosophy that has led to more death, misery, poverty and destruction than any other I can think of in history. It’s a theory based on twisted thinking and a misunderstanding of human nature. It is an ideology driven by envy and lust for power and has never, in my reading of history, brought dignity to anyone. If I were a Jew, I would put Marx in with the Lutherans (the faith in which he was baptized) and disclaim any relation at all.

  46. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Rich

    I don’t think your criticism of Marxism contradicts mine.

    • Replies: @Rich
  47. @wayfarer

    The USA is full of Jewish billionaires. Why on earth does Israel need any blood money from the hard-pressed taxpayers when they could supply their home away from home with all the extra money it needs, if indeed it needs any at all? If you are wondering about one of the main causes of US anti-Semitism, look no further than the billions our AIPAC-controlled traitorous Congress gives to that apartheid state every year.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @wayfarer
  48. What a pleasure to find Gilad Atzmon here at UNZ. And as usual, Mr. Atzmon delivers fresh insights and bold perspectives.

    I am grateful that Gilad is examining as well as talking to hyper-Zionists living in Pennsylvania. This is revealing. I appreciate Yonatan Stern’s willingness to address Atzmon’s questions.

    I was similarly impressed–unexpectedly so–when I met the late Rabbi Meir Kahane, who I briefly interviewed for a televised TV debate I produced (‘Why Terrorism?’) in 1986. Former US Congressman, Pete McCloskey (R-CA), took the opposing side in this exchange concerning the future of Palestine/Israel as well as US policies there. In my opinion, Kahane won the debate (though not on its merits).

    Rabbi Kahane was an unabashed separatist (like most devout Jews) and he famously declared (somewhat prematurely) that Israel’s native gentiles (‘Palestinians’) had no future in a Jewish State.

    Kahane believed that all these resentful, recalcitrant Arabs should be kicked out of Israel. He was unabashedly pro-separation. From a Zionist point of view, Kahane offered a violent though practical long-term solution. Multiculturalism is inherently problematic and destabilizing. It is also incompatible with Jewish nationalism. But Kahane made Jewish liberals blush. As a result, he was declared a ‘racist’ by establishment Jews; even though Judaism is, at its core, race-driven.

    Please keep in mind that during this era (Carter through Clinton) the endless Mideast ‘peace process’ was still underway with all the hype, fanfare, and false hopes.

    The ‘peace process’ ended up being a road to nowhere–full of highfalutin awards, accords, meetings, ‘confidence-building measures’ and an endless array of Jewish advisors, pro-Israel committees, donors and ‘experts’. Kahane knew that it was doomed from the start.

    Nevertheless, Jews from nearly every ‘mainstream’ political faction world-wide derided Kahane’s straightforward and ‘racist’ solutions, even though his prophetic advice now mirrors today’s Israeli policies. Meir Kahane was simply ahead of his time. He was also far too candid for his liberal cousins to own up to.

    A few years after Kahane’s televised debate with McCloskey, he was assassinated in NYC.

    In any event, it is undeniable that blood/ancestry is at the heart of Judaism. The Law of Return tells us so. Religiosity on the other hand has become somewhat incidental to Jewishness. A committed, ethnic Jew (but an atheistic one) such as Allen Dershowitz, for instance, is as ‘Jewish’ as any orthodox rabbi. Identity and ancestry is what matters.

    Thus I appreciate Stern’s criticism of his Jewish cousins who have saddled America with top-down ‘liberalism’, a movement that’s functioned as a court-ordered Trojan Horse inside America.

    Like his Jewish cousins however, Stern’s still a bit of a fraud–since he relies on double-standards, special privileges, and ancestral grievances to justify his unique collection of rights as a land-grabbing Zionist.

    Stern hypocritically derides non-violent whites in Charlottesville who want the same rights for themselves in America as Jews get in Israel: to preserve their culture, traditions, racial lineage, and majority status. These are core Zionist values. But Stern would deny them to any and all American whites.

    Stern is also disinclined to express any gratitude to his duplicitous, liberal cousins for their decades-long, pro-Jewish activism. Yet Stern is beneficiary of their subterfuge. Jewish activism helps explain why Jews have risen in America while others–such as the white, working-class men in Charlottesville–have fallen.

    US Liberalism (with plenty of help from Zionist Jews) coercively integrated America racially (but not in Israel), opened our borders to all (but not in Israel) and erected a towering wall between ‘church and state’ (but not in Israel).

    These tricks have been good for the Jews, which includes Stern. He can now wear his yarmulke proudly and not get laughed at–or punched (since its a ‘hate crime’ today).

    Liberal and ‘secular’ Jews also helped orchestrate Washington’s de facto marriage to the State of Israel. This has also empowered Stern. And to the delight of most Jews (both left and right) the US has been largely de-Christianized over the past sixty years. This is more smart work by Jewish jurists, lawyers, and academics–many with close ties to the ‘liberal’ ACLU.

    As a beneficiary of all this, Stern should thank his liberal cousins for this political black magic. Yet he pretends to object.

    Stern is at least correct when he acknowledges that ‘progressive’ Jews have damaged the West and that they are still doing so.

  49. anon[374] • Disclaimer says:
    @mark green

    Nevertheless, Jews from nearly every ‘mainstream’ political faction world-wide derided Kahane’s straightforward and ‘racist’ solutions, even though his prophetic advice now mirrors today’s Israeli policies. Meir Kahane was simply ahead of his time.

    nah, he was just another racist, supremacist jew

    A few years after Kahane’s televised debate with McCloskey, he was assassinated in NYC.

    good

  50. @Colin Wright

    I’ve often heard it said that there are only 15 million Jews in the world, and that they comprise only 2% of the US population. I don’t believe it for a second, just as I can’t believe the 6 million. They’re trying to tell me that, after millennia of breeding, with Orthodox Jews known for their very large families, that there are so few in the world? I asked this question of an old Jewish man who posts often on another site I frequent. He estimates there are at least 60 million worldwide, but that, really, with all the intermarriage between Jew and gentile, it is impossible to know.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  51. @Grahamsno(G64)

    That’s nitpicking. Born and raised a Christian here, yet I don’t consider this “my country” either.

  52. @Rich

    Marxism, in my view no more than the phantasies of someone ignorant of economics, unable to analyse economic phenomena, phantasies resulting in the prediction that in the end all the wealth of the world be the property of one man.
    In order to prevent this, the dictatorship of the proletariat, represented by men as Lenin and Stalin.
    Communism, the hazy ideology based on Marx’ phantasies, prevented, by the coups, that we could ever witness that Marx’ theory was right.

    Though at present we see the wealth of this world concentrated in ever fewer hands, does anyone expect that in say a hundred years a grandson of Soros will own the world ?
    The fig leaf of dictatorship of the proletariat made it possible for cruel lust for power people as Stalin to rule a large part of the earth, with devastating consequences.

    Lenin’s coup was in 1917, common sense returned around 1990, when the failure of the system in providing decent standards of living could no longer be denied.
    Anyone ever tried to read Das Kapital ?
    As far as I know nobody ever did.
    It is weird that books said to have been, or still are, most influential in the world, bible, Torah, maybe the Talmuds, Quran, Das Kapital and Mein Kampf, hardly ever seem to have been read by anyone

    I read, now long ago, the complete bible.
    Anyone interested in becoming anti christian I can recommend to read the whole bible too.
    BTW, I just read the bible out of curiosity, at the time already was an atheist/agnost.

    • Replies: @Rich
  53. @neutral

    Substitute the following: “I am first and foremost a Christian. I was born a Christian and will die a Christian. Nothing will ever come before that.” What really is the difference? They are both insidious ideologies that have caused much suffering and pain to the world.

    • Replies: @Avery
  54. dvorak says:
    @Haxo Angmark

    in general, though, both Zionist Jews and Leftist Jews subscribe to the open borders/welcome the stranger Tikkun Olam.

    Tikkun Olam is the fig leaf that modern Jews use to cover their conversion to Protestantism.

    There is no difference between a reform/conservative temple, protestant/catholic church, Democratic/establishment GOP caucus or unitarian meetinghouse. All have converted to the same communist Protestant faith that has grown in an unbroken line from English Calvinism (shorn of the Trinity along the way). The faith was nursed at the University of Cambridge, then Harvard College and now (after 4 successful armed crusades ending in 1781, 1865, 1918, 1945) holds court in temples (Greek revival buildings) in Washington, D.C.

    h/t Moldbug/Moldberg

    • Replies: @Haxo Angmark
    , @Svigor
  55. @mark green

    ” And to the delight of most Jews (both left and right) the US has been largely de-Christianized over the past sixty years. This is more smart work by Jewish jurists, lawyers, and academics–many with close ties to the ‘liberal’ ACLU. ”
    Delight ?
    The best supporters of Israel in the Netherlands are the few remaining christians, organised in two tiny political parties, SGP, CU.
    The Dutch pro Israel foundation has its office in our bible belt.
    Atheists, and/or those completely uninterested in religion, do not support Israel because Jesus was a jew.
    If this delight existed, or exists, a miscalculation, in my opinion.

    • Replies: @Alden
  56. @follyofwar

    ‘Why on earth does Israel need any blood money from the hard-pressed taxpayers when they could supply their home away from home with all the extra money it needs, if indeed it needs any at all?’

    Have you ever looked at how much Israel spends per Palestinian murdered when she mounts one of those strafeexpeditione into Gaza?

    The figure is astronomical, and they murder hundreds. Somebody’s got to finance it, and that’s where you and me come in, buddy.

  57. bjondo says:

    “Would you consider fighting for America?”
    “If this country needed me, absolutely.”

    You are needed. Sign up.

    Where there any bodies from the Pittsburgh event?

    From a diseased belief system, diseased minds.

    The disease passed from generation to generation.

    5ds

    • Replies: @bjondo
    , @Druid
  58. @follyofwar

    ‘I’ve often heard it said that there are only 15 million Jews in the world, and that they comprise only 2% of the US population. I don’t believe it for a second, just as I can’t believe the 6 million. They’re trying to tell me that, after millennia of breeding, with Orthodox Jews known for their very large families, that there are so few in the world?’

    One possible explanation for the inconsistency you perceive is that Orthodox Jews may be similar to Mormons.

    My understanding is that, yes, Mormons have large numbers of children. At the same time, their numbers don’t grow as fast as that suggests they should.

    That’s because so many flee the faith. My daughter’s boyfriend’s parents are what they call ‘grass Mormons’ — born Mormon, but left.

    Children of Orthodox Jews may do the same. Certainly it occurs in the present day, and I see no reason to assume it couldn’t have occurred at various points in the past. Who knows, for example, how many of all those Jews who left Eastern Europe at the turn of the last century might have found it convenient to forget about their Judaism once here?

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  59. bjondo says:

    The chants of “Jews won’t replace us”

    Like whole lot else re The Special Ones,

    made up.

  60. wayfarer says:
    @follyofwar

    Judaism is a “service-to-self” ideology, characterized by unequivocal negativity (e.g. greed, egocentrism, etc.). It has proven to be absolutely incapable of cultivating forgiveness, as well as being immiscible and antagonistic with any form of a “service-to-others” ideology.

    Sadly, a dark self-serving nature is the essence of Judaism.

    source: https://www.lawofone.info/synopsis.php

  61. Avery says:
    @follyofwar

    { What really is the difference? }

    A nonsensical substitution.

    “Jew” is somewhat indeterminate, maybe deliberately, because it applies _both_ to ethnos and religion. Christianity is purely religion. I can see someone saying “I am first and foremost Irish……”, but the only circumstance/context I can see for “I am a Christian….”, is if a Christian was facing forcible conversion to Islam, and refused thus.

    As to Christianity supposedly causing much suffering and pain to the world: in their day, Mongols were not of any religion, yet they caused immense death and destruction. Muslim hordes that emanated from Arabian peninsula caused death and destruction on a massive scale that continues to this day. Yes, Europe and the West in general have caused suffering and pain, but for imperial reasons, not to spread Christianity.

    To wit, Bush and Blair, supposedly Christian, did not invade Iraq for Christianity.
    In fact, because of their illegal invasion, one of the oldest Christian communities in the world, tracing its roots all the way back to the birth of Christianity, is no more in Iraq.

    • Agree: byrresheim
    • Replies: @follyofwar
    , @Druid
    , @anon
  62. Agent76 says:
    @Z-man

    Absolutely correct he is honorable for certain. Jesus has his reservation in the Lambs book. Thanks for your reply!

  63. I am having difficulty understanding the Pittsburgh shooting, as well as Orlando, Sandyhook, Broward County, Las Vegas, and others. There were security cameras at every location that inexplicably malfunction, or ignored, and the media never questions the narrative, and we sit still never demanding. It’s sad, and this guy isn’t helping the situation, but promoting it. I agree with him that if we want we should all be armed. However, I believe he knows the enemy is inside the gates, and while here will continue dividing us by race, or creed. So he’s an enemy, nothing less.

    • Replies: @Druid
  64. @Colin Wright

    There are far more jews.
    But how many, impossible to determine, if one follows the definition of atheistic jews about themselves, something like ‘anyone who feels connected to the jewish culture’.
    Very bad definition, of course, but the essence seems to be of identity, somehow connected to jewry and their culture what existed say 2000 years ago.
    I corresponded with a more or less well known USA citizen, whose (great ?)grandfather around 1870 in Germany converted to protestantism, my correspondent belonged to a USA protestant church.
    But during our conversation I more and more came to the conclusion ‘this man is still a jew’, unable to have an objective view on jewry, Israel, etc.
    In France the officially catholic Sarkozy became president, apparently many French saw him as jew, quite a few antisemitic statements against him during his presidency.
    When he was elected Israeli papers were jubilant ‘he was from an old Greek jewish dynasty’.
    So, how many jews there are ?
    I’m inclined to multiply the given figures with a factor five.
    And about jewish power, if one sees both Sarkozy and Macron as jews, three jewish presidents behind each other in France.
    Had not Strauss Kahn been involved in the sex scandal, or was tricked into this scandal, he, also a jew, might well have been president in stead of Sarkozy.
    One final question; were FDR, Eisenhower and Churchill jews ?
    After his friend Moyne was murdered Churchill turned away from zionism, Eisenhower in 1956 stopped the Israeli French GB attack on Egypt.

  65. @Rich

    It’s a theory based on twisted thinking and a misunderstanding of human nature. It is an ideology driven by envy and lust for power

    You do know you directly contradicted your first sentence above with the phrase immediately following it?

    The politics of resentment and envy will last as long as there is a hierarchy of human talents and efforts resulting in a hierarchy of results.

    • Replies: @Rich
  66. @Avery

    RE: Bush and Blair. They did not invade Iraq (just to name one country and two Anglo leaders) FOR Christianity, but their Christianity sure didn’t stop them from committing war crimes. Christians, with their holier than thou stance, are mostly hypocrites, having willingly surrendered (most of them) to the more powerful Jews.

  67. I am glad Ron brought Gilad on board. The more Jewish voices of reason and self-awareness, the better off we will all be. The Jew haters’ job is made much easier when rational Jews keep silent and allow the neurotic commie Jews to be the only voices heard. Just as guys like Larry Elder, Thomas Sowell, and Ken Hamblin are the most effective critics of negro dysfunction, as ex-Yeshuans are the supreme agents to lampoon idiot evangelicals, Jews are the best suited to the task of shaming their deranged cousins into crawling back under the rocks from whence they came.

    • Agree: mark green
    • Replies: @Svigor
  68. Douglas Rushkoff who once stated, “why we Jews are dangerous,” created the documentary ‘Merchants of Cool’ for PBS that details everything master manipulators work on to control society. Although teenagers and young adults were discussed, all ages are realistically in play. The single word answer to how culture is steered is emotion. Passion is what clouds the mind from Reason.

    Atzmon’s thorough work on “identity politics” clarifies the method on how culture is steered. Tertullianus, the founder of Western theology, developed the idea of “Athens versus Jerusalem.” Leo Strauss reexamined this dialectic. Gilad streamlined it further by explaining how it is relevant in the present day.

    The interview with Yonatan Stern discussed here, confirms how emotion still trumps, pun intended, reason. All proxy tribes are led around, by their feelings and their preconceived notions of false history. By listening to our emotions, Stern, as well as most of us, maintain the chaos that allows psychotic secret societies to rule things from a back room. Yes evil secret societies exist. Anyone heard of the CFR?

    Although Yonatan Stern seems to have the ability to self reflect, emotions that arise from things like Gilad’s, “pre-traumatic stress” prevent him from breaking through the cognitive dissonance and identifying that his biggest enemies are the modern-day Mammonites.

    The simplest proof is the notion of love and how the definition has been corrupted. Love used to mean clothing and feeding the poor as well as providing for family members. This was the reason for living at its most commendable and personal level. Now love is interchangeable with the word lust because Hollywood and its minions continuously promote deviant behavior. “Libido Dominandi” – St. Augustine

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHptbnShTCA

    • Replies: @anon
  69. anon[372] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jon Baptist

    thanks for this, i’m gonna download these youtube files

    interesting related topics are the Frankfurt School and (((Edward Bernays)))

  70. @Pinche Perro

    Gilad is a jazzed-up biblical prophet. Like Christ in the temple he is calling out the worst of his people for their crimes against humanity, their oppression against the great majority of us.

  71. pensword says:

    “If they [the Muslims] were peaceful people yes, but the reality is that they, through their own actions, are showing us that they are not a peaceful people for the most part. There is a tremendous radicalism amongst Muslims these days.”

    This is what we expect from folk like Yonatan, who comprise the most active constituency of the anti-Islam brigades. Not to be outdone, self-professed leftists such as Alan Dershowitz and Marty Peretz, owner and editor-in-chief of the New Republic, have also done their part to advance the bloodthirsty muslim stereotype.

    As a muslim American, I’m not opposed to Yonatan’s bearing arms or training as he does. In fact, I encourage him to do so. Of course, I’m hardly surprised about his reluctance to accord me the same right, but I doubt he’ll be able to do anything about that.

    • Replies: @APilgrim
    , @Druid
    , @Svigor
  72. For all his parsing, Yonatan Stern is a Jew who happens to live in America, however, what isn’t o.k. is that he wants to eat his kosher cake and keep it too.

  73. @dvorak

    before the recent Jewification,

    both Protestants and Catholics upheld

    White Western Civilization. And

    your authority for the nonsense you wrote,

    a.k.a. (((Moldbug)))

    is a self=admitted Jew.

  74. “You, Gilad, speak about Jewish exceptionalism. We [Jews] are supposed to be a light to the nations, but we do the opposite…”

    Modern day Jews are not the chosen and are not a light to the nations. They are a miscegenated, meshuggah melange who have nothing to do with the Jews of the Old Testament or when Jesus lived. They contributed nothing to the development of Western civilization.

    If some people want to pretend to be Jewish, fine. They can be as Jewish as they want to be in Israel. Jews are not part of the West.

    • Replies: @Avery
  75. @mark green

    Excellent pensee’. The point about atheistic Dershowitz being as Jewish as any orthodox rabbi is a vital one. And, too there are Jews such as the actor Peter Coyote (Peter Cohen) who pretend to be in the Athens camp but are pure Jerusalem.

  76. dvorak says:

    before the recent Jewification,

    both Protestants and Catholics upheld

    White Western Civilization

    Oh? I just read 1/2 of Chernow’s biography of Grant. To Chernow’s delight, both Grant and Lincoln were converting to SJWs during the war, they thought blacks fought well and the sky was the limit for these dusky children of God. The result was Grant’s Reconstruction where he tried to elevate blacks at White expense. Chernow loves Grant, showing Grant to be a proto-Progressive.

    What was that about these reliable Protestants and Catholics and our White nation? They have been throwing the nation away since the ink was dry on “for ourselves and our posterity.”

  77. APilgrim says:

    Jews undermine the United States by promoting open borders and maintaining dual citizenship. When the average white Christian American sees Jews pushing for thousands of Islamic terrorists and Somali refugees and Latin American criminals and members of cartels to come into the country and pushing for affirmative action and a homosexual agenda and they do all of it in the name of Judaism… What they do, they tell people , ‘this is Judaism, we exploit your gratitude, we are coming to your country, we are undermining it from within. We cause the country to collapse on itself and if you call us ‘dirty Jews’ we will say you are a ‘filthy anti-Semitic Nazi’.

    Yes that is the gist of it.

    I cannot disagree, and can certainly add thousands of examples.

  78. Avery says:
    @attilathehen

    {Modern day Jews are not the chosen and are not a light to the nations. }

    Modern day or ancient, NO ethnos or religion can possibly be _chosen_, or be a supposed ‘light to the nations’. Its a self-generated delusion. Maybe it’s an honestly altruistic delusion, or maybe it is for malicious purposes, but it is a grand delusion nevertheless.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  79. peterAUS says:
    @mark green

    Outstanding.
    Saved for future reference.

    Thank you.

  80. FKA Max says: • Website
    @Gilad Atzmon

    “In your work” he said, “you, Gilad, argue that Jews need to do introspection. Rather than saying ‘the world hates us,’ we should ask whether there is anything we are doing to provoke this antisemitsm. This is an essential question that Jews both left and right refuse to ask themselves. It is the one question you [Gilad] ask, it is the one question I ask.”

    Yonatan and you might find some of your answers here, Mr. Atzmon: http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/israels-fifth-column-2/#comment-2499760

    Cognitive Elite and the Jewish Eugenic Project Gilad ATZMON

    […]
    Ashkepathy
    […]
    http://archive.is/SfD4j#selection-207.0-211.0 and https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2017/06/19/ashkepathy/

    Long-time lurker and bona-fide woke skypess here. Wow, CH, thank you for this very informative post! Can’t say I am enjoying the process of gradual awakening to my own tribe’s glaring faults, but facts are facts. It also explains so much of my family issues.
    Very depressing, indeed. All I can say is, I am sorry and embarrassed for my people’s ridiculous antics. Please be aware that there are more and more of us who are voicing our discomfort with our atrocious collective behavior. Slowly, one step at a time, we are changing minds and hearts within our communities as best we can.
    Not sure how else to put it, except that this Jewish person does recognize your civilizational superiority.
    Bret Stephens is going to get a nasty little nastygram soon.
    God bless you CH! Continue your amazing work.

    http://archive.is/SfD4j#selection-7943.0-7959.45

    Great interview and Welcome to the Unz Review!

  81. I think h has the time frame correct for what see. Th current form of political tactic is honed in the 1960’s — forward. Social scientists gave it teeth. The nature of which is to blur every frame of arguments so as to frustrate, confuse and evoke an extreme response. It is the tend to violence that concerns me. But most of that violence is to agitation as opposed to assault.

    Though, I felt really compelled to get armed during the election, and intend to get a weapon eventually, truth be told, the US is a very very very safe country. And its not because people are armed to the teeth or armed period.

  82. APilgrim says:
    @pensword

    It is yet to be seen, if any Muslim can ever be a loyal American citizen.

    I doubt it.

    • Replies: @pensword
  83. APilgrim says:

    What will it take, to leave the crosses undisturbed over our American dead?

    I am in for a penny and in for a pound.

    I don’t care who has to die.

  84. Druid says:
    @bjondo

    A diseases religion with many revered diseased rabbis

  85. Druid says:
    @Avery

    Do not make excuses: Christianity and Judaism are currently causing massive death and destruction. Your attack of Islam shows your prejudice. The trouble in the ME is war and dictatorship caused and supported by western Christian countries with their Jewish mercenary scum. You’re a troll!

    • Replies: @Avery
  86. Druid says:
    @the grand wazoo

    This guy is a Zio. Nothing they say can be relied upon

  87. Druid says:
    @pensword

    They attack and destroy Muslim communities and lands. When Muslims fight back, they attack them for being “not peaceful”. Yo atman is zio scum. They will never change! Or see!

  88. anon[363] • Disclaimer says:

    again, how is this guy an American Patriot?

    did he do anything at all to earn that title?

    from here he looks like just another dual citizen that sees a nazi behind every tree

  89. anon[363] • Disclaimer says:

    “In your work” he said, “you, Gilad, argue that Jews need to do introspection. Rather than saying ‘the world hates us,’ we should ask whether there is anything we are doing to provoke this antisemitsm. This is an essential question that Jews both left and right refuse to ask themselves. It is the one question you [Gilad] ask, it is the one question I ask.”

    all races and peoples need to do this of course but its doubtful that any aside jews, whites or NE Asians ever would or could

  90. cassandra says:
    @peterAUS

    Important point. Goes to the issue if privilege.

  91. @Avery

    Actually, one ethnos can be considered chosen: Caucasians. There are 3 races: Caucasoid, Mongoloid and Negroid. Mongoloids and Negroids are second and third in IQ. Caucasoids are first in IQ and they are the ones who developed the greatest civilization – the West. We are the light in the world.

  92. cassandra says:
    @mark green

    Stern hypocritically derides non-violent whites in Charlottesville who want the same rights for themselves in America as Jews get in Israel: to preserve their culture, traditions, racial lineage, and majority status. These are core Zionist values. But Stern would deny them to any and all American whites.

    We have a problem, Houston.

    And we’ll continue to have problems as long as this conversation goes on within Jewish communities, rather than between Jewish communities and their hosts.

  93. cassandra says:

    There’s a characteristic of Jordan Peterson’s obsession with evil that irritates me. While he analyzes critics of evil like Dostoevsky and Solzhenytsyn, and he studies analysts of evil like Jung and Nietzche, he doesn’t show a lot of interest in what the perpetrators of evil, like Hitler, Stalin, Bomber Harris, or concentration camp guards, have to say themselves about their motivations.

    It’s very complacent and patronizing.

    Something like that is going on here, involving not evil but ethnic friction. In this case, Jews proudly congratulate each other that they can discuss so openly, also to each other, why Goy must feel as they do. Likewise, Goys spend a lot of thought analyzing what motivates the Jewish minds, and congratulate themselves on having penetrated the real reasons behind Jewish actions. No actual communication is required.

    Jews talking about Goyim to Jews, and Goyim talking about Jews to other Goyim, is also complacent and patronizing.

    Until the groups can speak openly enough with the other, so that all such groups explain to the other why they are seen as they are, there won’t be progress. Neither side should own the conversation nor its conclusions.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    , @Svigor
  94. That’s nitpicking. Born and raised a Christian here, yet I don’t consider this “my country” either.

    That was my thought also. As a Christian, my entire allegiance is to the kingdom of God. Which, as Jesus said, is not of this world.

    In the order of this world, I’m an American, and am willing to act accordingly insofar as such action doesn’t conflict with my overriding allegiance. But even in such action, I should always be aware of my proper place in any worldly system: a sojourner, for a time only. My home is elsewhere.

    What Yonatan means by his declaration of the primacy of his Jewish identity, I don’t know. It seems to me that there’s a distinction between “Jewish” as a religious system, and “Jewish” as an ethnicity. Maybe Jews don’t consider that there’s any difference; I wouldn’t know. And, ultimately, it’s not my business, nor anything that I really care about.

  95. Rich says:
    @Tyrion 2

    I apologize if I mischaracterized what you wrote. I thought you were praising the monster Marx.

  96. peterAUS says:
    @cassandra

    Civil, concise and well written re important and complicated topic.

    And, yet…….

    Until the groups can speak openly enough with the other, so that all such groups explain to the other why they are seen as they are, there won’t be progress. Neither side should own the conversation nor its conclusions.

    My bold.

    How to put this in a polite and not patronizing way….not sure, but will give it a go:
    You really need to focus on the issue of POWER.

    In, say, practical terms: you do not offer any proper information to your opponent. From sports, through business to the ultimate in that game: war.

    Jews, as a group, are in struggle for power in society. In that game deception is just one of useful tools.

    Yes..yes…not good and we should love each other and blah…blah..blah. Good.YOU do that first.
    Let’s disarm. YOU first.
    Let’s get rid of agencies dealing with secrecy. YOU first.
    Etc…….

    I mean..haha….you don’t have that in quotes in any corporate environment. Any level of governance.
    The only place you could…could…have it is a close knit family. And…hehe…again…unless power and money is concerned.

    Makes sense?

    • Replies: @cassandra
  97. Rich says:
    @Stan d Mute

    Maybe you’ve got a point, and I didn’t express myself as well as I would have liked. It seems to me that capitalism is actually basic human nature. One person performs a service, or provides a product to someone else, and is compensated for it. The better one is at providing his service, or product, the better he is compensated. Marxism goes against this natural law of economics, and tries to make those who are less able to provide a labor or service as well compensated as those who work harder or better. This would naturally disinsentivize the harder, or better worker, and all would fall to the lowest level possible. Marxism starts at the point of envy and many twisted individuals use this envy to gain the power they lust after. You are, of course, right that the politics of resentment and envy will last forever, but I believe that capitalism causes individuals to have to at least provide some kind of service to satisfy this emotion where Marxism needs to be carried out by force and always sets up an unqualified, malicious elite and less freedom.

    I don’t know if I did a better job explaining what I was trying to write, but I figured I’d give it a shot.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
  98. Rich says:
    @jilles dykstra

    I know the Old Testament is full of a lot of things that could turn a person away from Religion, but I think the New Testament, if taken separately, provides the basis for a decent Faith. Many feel that the New Testament, and Christianity, are too tied to the Old to separate the two, but I think most Christians do ignore the Old and concentrate on the New. Of course, although the New is also filled with some fantastical stories that are unbelievable to most, it provides a basis for honesty and fairness that is helpful in any society. Unlike in the Old Testament, in the New no one gets stoned for sinning, genocide isn’t committed, first born sons aren’t murdered in their sleep, and land isn’t stolen, but instead, an ethic is created based on “loving your neighbor”. Any group that lives under that ethos is acceptable to me.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  99. Alden says:

    Guess this guy has never heard of Julius Hammer founder of the communist party USA his son Armand Hammer Stalin’s right hand man in looting Russia in the 1920s and Spain in the 1930s

    , Alex Berkowitz, Emma Goldman Harry Dexter White asst sec treasury who sent an original authentic set of USA paper currency plates to Russia the Rosenbergs

    Esther Brown, Jack Greenberg somebody Epstein and the rest of the Jewish attorneys who desegregated the schools and won the bussing law suits which were funded by ADL and AJC by the way

    Zalman Shapiro who started a company called NUMEC for the sole purpose of stealing plutonium and uranium for Israel Jonathan Pollard and hundreds of other Jewish department of defense employees

    Rabbi Dov Zakheim who was one of the thousand or so Jewish high ranking civilian of course, defense department employees he was comptroller of the department of defense under whose regime 3 trillion dollars disappeared

    Then there were the 97 Jews out of 112 who filed the lawsuit against California’s anti affirmative action referendum Prop 209

    It’s impossible to understand how any reasonable country would allow such a subversive treasonous group to not only commit treason but take over a country completely in a mere 80 years.

    There’s more, this list is just off the top of my head.

  100. Dannyboy says:

    American patriot, my ass…lol

    Jews should arm themselves, it’ll make it a little more fun when they get what deserve.

  101. Alden says:
    @jilles dykstra

    American Jews through lawsuits and extortion of the big retail stores succeeded in banning the very word Christmas in many places. First they succeeded in banning nativity crèches now they are going after Christmas trees and even the traditional red and green colors.

    We have the same Old Testament Israel worshipping Christians. It’s not really because of Old Testament Calvinism. It’s because the Israel Uber alles lobbyists have been bribing the Bible thumper preachers since 1950.

    • Replies: @anon
  102. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rich

    I think most Christians do ignore the Old and concentrate on the New.

    So why is the OT still even in there? Couldn’t they officially disavow it? It seems however progressive and loving they get, it’s still sitting there waiting to flare up given suitable provocation. In this regard, progressive Christians are rather like progressive Muslims.

    it provides a basis for honesty and fairness that is helpful in any society.

    It’s kind of passable in this regard. But why settle for passable? I think Buddhism/Hindu do a much better job of drilling down into human experience so as to provide a base for why to be good.

    • Replies: @Rich
    , @Reactionary Utopian
  103. Rich says:
    @Anonymous

    Marcion of Sinope who was an early Christian bishop and is credited with putting together the first Christian Bible, favored tossing out the Old Testament arguing that the God portrayed in the Old Testament was completely opposite to the one portrayed by Jesus. He had a very large following and Marcionite Churches continued to flourish until the Romans took complete control of the Christian Church. There have been several Marcionite movements within Western Europe since, the most prominent probably during the early 20th century. That being said, I’m unaware of any Christian Church that stoned adulterers, advocated genocide or murdered first born sons. We’ll leave the justifying of conquering lands to another very long discussion.

    As to Hinduism, I’m no expert, but I’ve been told there is a strong ethnic component to it and if someone isn’t an Indian, they can never really be considered a Hindu. In my limited knowledge of that complex Faith I’ve come across writings that say the original European pagan religions have the same origin. Zeus, for instance, corresponds with Indra and other similarities. So maybe there is a path through that door, but it’s hard enough for people to believe in one God, let alone many.

    Buddhism also seems to have an ethnic component, White or black people always look a little silly to me when they dress up in those robes and light candles in front of a statue of the laughing Buddha, but I guess it’s their choice. Zen does have an appeal, minus all the incense and temples, but it seems like there’s a lot of charlatans preaching that also.

    I’d prefer everyone adopt Epicureanism, Stoicism or Platonism myself, but that might be asking too much. A Christianity that teaches morality seems adequate to me for most people.

    • Replies: @anon
  104. Another extremely worthwhile article as was his a couple of weeks ago here at UR.

    I was astonished to find that a far right wing Jew and I share a lot of views about Zionism and Israel but depressed at his double standards vis a vis Muslims and, I might add, no doubt regarding his about goyim in general.

    How can there be any hope when a guy who sounds so rational ends up losing it in the end?

    PS: Can we all just drop the utterly cringe-worthy “anti-Semitism” canard? I mean even this guy has some clues as to the “Jewish” responsibility for the supposed and in any case, exaggerated, victim status.

    • Replies: @anon
  105. @Rational

    “What they do, they tell people , ‘this is Judaism, we exploit your gratitude, we are coming to your country, we are undermining it from within, [we] cause the country to collapse on itself and if you call us ‘dirty Jews’ we will say you are a ‘filthy anti-Semitic Nazi’.””

    True and well stated.

    They did this to the Germans before demonizing and destroying their society as well. Douglas Reed, and Arthur Bryant are two that document the phenomenon well.

    Note this, for one.

    In the American Republic the rise of Soviet Communism went side by side with the rise of Zion. The Political Zionists worked from above: that is, from the seats of the mighty and from the control of key-states in the Republic’s electoral system. The Soviet Communists permeated from below, corrupting parties from within and seeping into government departments. The ‘hatred of Americans for Communism’, in which the mass-newspaper reader of all countries believes today, is an illusion. That is to say, it may be a native, inherent trait of the mass of Americans, but it does not find expression in the major acts of the Republic’s State policy; these have in their effects often promoted the spread of the Communist State in the last eight years. The rise of Soviet Communism in the American Republic is not an increase of numbers or votes, any more than it was in the Eastern European countries or China, now enslaved by foreign-supplied arms. It is the rise of influence through penetration, permeation and infiltration. It is the old stratagem of the Trojan Horse in a new form. The invaders, however, come or derive from the same place as the Political Zionists: Russia or Russian-occupied Europe. They are in the majority Khazars.

    -Douglas Reed, Somewhere South of Suez, P177

    https://ia801406.us.archive.org/32/items/SomewhereSouthOfSuez/suez.pdf

    Love that last sentence.

  106. anon[156] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden

    American Jews through lawsuits and extortion of the big retail stores succeeded in banning the very word Christmas in many places. First they succeeded in banning nativity crèches now they are going after Christmas trees and even the traditional red and green colors

    i used to believe this was just the “separation of church and state” stuff but of course it was really jews attacking Christianity

  107. anon[156] • Disclaimer says:
    @jacques sheete

    PS: Can we all just drop the utterly cringe-worthy “anti-Semitism” canard?

    it’s so childish

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  108. @Rich

    Good comment.

    All one needs to know about Marx is right here, in his own words.:

    “ It’s possible that I shall make an ass of myself. But in that case one can always get out of it with a little dialectic. I have, of course, so worded my proposition as to be right either way.”

    Karl Marx, Letter to Friedrich Engels, dated 15 August 1857

    https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/letters/

    The dude, like the bulk of heavily promoted, can artists shoved into our faces 24-7 for decades, if not centuries, was not a philosopher, historian or thinker, but a mouthy, whining windbag promoted by the usual scum to serve their own ends which should surprise none of us.

  109. @anon

    PS: Can we all just drop the utterly cringe-worthy “anti-Semitism” canard?

    it’s so childish

    That, and utterly fraudulent as well; there’s nary a Semite in the bunch.

  110. @Rich

    I don’t know if I did a better job explaining what I was trying to write, but I figured I’d give it a shot.

    You did a fine job and I think we are cut from the same cloth insofar as work ethic and personal pride/dignity. But perhaps your glasses have a rose tint or perhaps you’ve had the good fortune not to spend most of your life next door to Destroyit and Ann Arbor where a seeming majority vastly prefers to sit on their fat asses eating food earned by others or whining endlessly about the “oppression” of the lazy and/or incompetent. That’s where I think we differ. Just winging it with wild-ass guesses, I’d estimate that 75% of white men think as we do about labor and satisfaction derived from it, while only perhaps 25% of negro men, 10% of negro women, and 30-45% of white women. So I can’t agree that ours is “human nature” while those who prefer the envy, resentment, and hand-outs (voluntary or otherwise) lack this alleged innate feature.

    What has made this explode in the modern era is our civilizational wealth, the power of the state to compel, and the fanatic “diversity” that forces wildly disparate groups together where the differences in success are so incredibly stark.

  111. dtorch says:

    So these two deep thinkers accept without critical examination that socialism and multiculturalism are evils promoted by jews thus earning jews hatred. I doubt either of them could define socialism. While a lot of George Soros’ activities are questionable, for every one of him there is a Sheldon Adelman using his ill-gotten wealth to promote Israel uber alles by buying politicians like Trump.

  112. anon[240] • Disclaimer says:

    Very interesting introspection on the part of the settler – holocaust
    survivor , American patriot who wants to arm and train Jewish peace loving synagogue going folks against the rage of the punks who hate Jews for LGBT, mix marriage, MS 13 , Pakistani cab drivers, Shariah law, , Spanish cacophony in train and buses, non white faces in Walmart and Idaho cowshed .
    But ..but.. but…
    Who is going to train who to protect from the possible rampage of those families and friends of Iraq war veterans and Iraq war dead , Afghan war veterans , USS Liberty survivors, ? Again who caused those wars?

    Who is going to douse the flames emanating from the economic losses and diplomatic fallout out of Syrian war, out of quitting JCPOA, .?

    You are right Sir . You are correct. Antisemitism is the reaction of nonsemite . Has always been from 540BC . Don’t stop at Soros .
    War was not caused by Soros . War was caused by Jewish – settlers, Amerucan diaspora, Britush Conservative Jewish wing , British Jewish Labor section, and by paid and bribed US . Worst : US was bribed by US money .

    Dig more and his will see the blood of the innincent parents of the current crop of violent Muslim extremists being shed by the Jewush whose action made your invasion of the settlement possible .

    Dig more .

  113. anon[240] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rich

    Don’t bring religion . You can choose any and use your common sense to discard those that make no sense. You will be fine .

  114. Svigor says:

    Those who follow my work know that despite my sharp disagreements with Zionism, Israeli politics and West Bank setters in particular, I find more honesty in Right Wing Zionism than in the entire spectrum of the Jewish Identitarian Left. Although I probably agree on many crucial political matters with JVP activists and Mondoweiss readers, I see the Jewish left as an inherently duplicitous project. My point is that notwithstanding my almost complete ideological differences with right wing Zionists, their frankness about their principles allow our disagreements to be honestly debated. Unlike the Jewish Left that speaks of universal principles but thinks and acts tribally, the Jewish nationalist position is as coherent as it is immoral.

    This is true in my experience as well. On the other hand, right-wing Jews do a lot more lying right to the faces of pro-Whites than left-wing Jews do. Left-wing Jews don’t really care what we think, but right-wing Jews feed us a constant stream of bullshit.

  115. Svigor says:

    In a recent Israeli TV interview, Yonatan explained that he was motivated to form an Israeli military training school in America by the March in Charlottesville. The chants of “Jews won’t replace us” reminded him of the rise of the Nazis. But he doesn’t like the leftists either. The Antifa evokes in him bad memories of Stalin’s antisemitsm. So I asked Yonatan why Jewish history repeats itself. How is it possible that Jews are once again opposed by both the right and the left? The ex settler’s answer may take some readers by surprise.

    Actually it was “you will not replace us,” though there was one guy, maybe a Jewish/globalist plant, saying “Jews will not replace us.”

    Not that Jews’ objection to that has any merit. Jews are no more allowed to replace us than the general “you” is. It’s amusing, Jews’ continual ability to always make the conversation about them. Jews should try imagining their every mention of their holocaust drawing accusations of anti-White racism from Whites.

    As for this Yonatan fellow, he sounds like a Righteous Jew. A lot of the stuff he said in that interview is either stuff I have said many times before, or stuff I would say.

  116. Svigor says:
    @Johnny Rottenborough

    Agreed, Judaism is quite aggressive, but Yonatan did have a point insofar as Jews today in America basically represent a negligible physical terror threat (and the exceptions all seem to be lone wolf psycho stuff, your typical nutty mass shooters and the like, not motivated by Judaism per se).

  117. Svigor says:
    @Haxo Angmark

    Diaspora Jews ostensibly apply it to Israel, but this is just the usual Jewish hypocrisy. They don’t actually apply it in practice. It’s just lip service for goyishe consumption.

  118. Svigor says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Kevin Macdonald’s criticism of Jews is rooted in what he wishes were their nature.

    Citation needed.

  119. Svigor says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Kinda like all the rich diaspora Jews and their concern for refugees.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  120. Svigor says:
    @Agent76

    IIRC, certain ortho Jews object to a lot of what the Israeli state does on purely religious grounds that have nothing to do with anyone or anything external to Judaism. I.e., it’s not about them feeling bad for Arabs.

  121. Svigor says:
    @dvorak

    Nonsense. There are huge differences. Jews have organized Jewry, which works tirelessly for Jewish ethnic interests, the Jewish ethnostate foremost among them. Whites and White Christians have nothing like this. The entire political establishment of the USA has been constructed to serve Jewish ethnic interests, and thwart White ethnic interests. When Jews serve and operate within this milieu, they are advancing their ethnic interests. The opposite is true for Whites.

  122. @Anonymous

    So why is the OT still even in there? Couldn’t they officially disavow it?

    Several reasons. Given the final chapter of Revelations, disavowing or dropping anything is, well, a little above the pay grade of any now-living human. Also, the OT provides the context in which Jesus is understood. And, as Paul writes, “the Law” is intended to drive men to Jesus, since no one is justified by the works of the Law.

    That said, I think the OT has to be read the way grownups read such material. It’s truth, but out-of-focus and not all factually true. Much of it is mythical in character. But as we go from Exodus on to the prophets, it comes into better and better focus. When you get to the NT, it’s true in the everyday, factual, workaday sense.

    Or so it seems to me.

    • Replies: @Svigor
  123. Svigor says:
    @Stan d Mute

    Yes, and no. People who genuinely want Jews to reform and change their ways, and who would actually back off the Jew-crit if they did, are characterized as “Jew-haters,” too. That’s how the vast majority of Jews think of us. But our goals are being served by Righteous Jews whose criticism echoes our own.

    • Agree: Stan d Mute
  124. Svigor says:
    @pensword

    I found myself wanting a bit more detail on that exchange than Atzmon provided. I could see being in Stern’s shoes and being uncomfortable with Muslim exercise of 2nd Amendment rights without actually wanting them denied those rights. I feel that way about blacks’ 2A rights.

    • Replies: @pensword
  125. Svigor says:
    @cassandra

    We can certainly progress toward the goal, separate countries, without Jewish input.

  126. pensword says:
    @APilgrim

    I doubt it.

    Which just shows that you don’t know any muslim Americans.

  127. Svigor says:
    @Reactionary Utopian

    There’s the small matter of the Messiah saying “not a jot or tittle” of the Old Law would pass away…

  128. anon[101] • Disclaimer says:
    @pensword

    yes, im sure they’re highly patriotic……….to the country they came from

    • Replies: @pensword
  129. pensword says:
    @Svigor

    Stern is correct in saying that religious sites should be protected by armed defenders.

    He is hypocritical, however, in denying other faith communities the right to protect themselves against armed aggression.

    The former perspective is wholly American. The latter, not so.

    • Replies: @Svigor
    , @Svigor
  130. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Svigor

    Sort of. But rather than helping, the Palestinians have forced their brother Palestinians into camps for 3 generations…so not sort of at all…

    • Replies: @Svigor
  131. @pensword

    The type wouldn’t know a Muslim from a moose and has been brainwashed into dotage.

  132. cassandra says:
    @peterAUS

    Let’s disarm. YOU first.

    Agree: POWER is critical!

    Gilad himself has said that the secret to Jewish power is that no Goyim may discuss Jewish power, so the open open discussion I advocate, if implemented, would implicitly subvert that power. I stopped before going into the sort of struggle necessary to open the conversation, but you picked up on it.

    In fact, I fear that any efforts along these lines will become bogged down in a quagmire of discusssions of the issues among Jews exclusively. The power struggle in going beyond this, where Goy views are expressed and discussed, will include widespread accusations that ANY Goy discussion of attitudes toward Jews is anti-Semitic (though necessarily some cannot be avoided).

    But that’s the only kind of no-holds-barred discussion to be taken seriously. Anything else is Kabuki, including this article, as interesting as it is.

    • Replies: @Svigor
  133. Svigor says:
    @pensword

    That’s my point. It was ambiguous as to whether Stern actually denied their right. Atzmon strongly implied that he did, but without a quote we don’t know.

  134. peterAUS says:

    Agree: POWER is critical!

    Well, that makes you a tiny minority within mass of people not happy with the current paradigm. The majority is more interested in feeling good about themselves than realizing how the real world actually works. Doing something about it is even….anyway.

    Pretty much agree with the rest of your comment.

    But, you know what; although it does look that way on the surface I just have a feeling that something else is really at works here. Cost/benefit. Middle class in general are still comfortable enough with their lives to jeopardize it by saying what they really think and feel.
    We don’t have serious attempts to address those things in public because the average member of public has simply too much to loose. I NEVER talk about these things at places of work, actually anywhere with anyone except a COUPLE of persons I know are on the same wavelength.

    The closest I can find in history is people over the Iron Curtain not talking about fallacies of their regimes and social organization. Hehe…that didn’t prevent, on the contrary actually, what happened there from ’89 to, well…what’s still happening as we speak.

    The same principle can be applied to USA and West in general.
    Brexit, Trump and the rest are first signs that a sizeable number of people aren’t happy.
    The reaction of TPTBs and their side is even worse, competency wise, than of aparatchiks in Eastern Europe.
    So……….

    Smart Jews know that. LONG history. They know should the real …I say REAL…social disturbancies start they are going to lose the most. I am not talking about this toddler play we see now. I am talking serious shooting.Something, for example, depicted in the movie “22 July”, as starter. Former Yugoslavia, Chechnya and Ukraine as the real stuff in that game.

    Smart people should be able to address real issues and prevent that.
    Now…hehehe…..looking at “progs” now…….you see that happening?

  135. Svigor says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Pretty similar. Both want to offload the actual debt their mouths incur onto others.

  136. Svigor says:
    @cassandra

    The secret to Jewish power is Jewish racism (I use “racist” here as Jews consistently use the term against others). Everything else flows from that.

    • Replies: @cassandra
  137. Svigor says:
    @pensword

    LOL, the Muslim perspective on what’s “wholly American,” too precious.

    It’s not hypocritical to have doubts about a people’s ability to live up to European norms.

    • Replies: @pensword
  138. @Rational

    Not-with-standing, Israel is a non-entity, and has no RIGHT to exist, as and where it is, any PERSON, Jew or not, cannot serve BOTH and call him or her self a patriot of the REPUBLIC.

    Israel is a an Apartheid UNLAWFUL occupying entity and an ENEMY of the Republic, as proven, by at least the attack on the USS Liberty , a actual declaration of War by Israel against the United States.

    Mr Yonatan’s own words: ““I don’t define it as either. I am first and foremost a Jew, ………….” TRUTH spoken in “Plain Sight”

    Those Jews are simply trying to deceive, gullible Americans and it seems to always be working

    From the TALMUD: Baba Kamma 113a. “Jews may use lies (“subterfuges”) to circumvent a Gentile“.

    • Agree: tac
    • Replies: @attilathehen
  139. DanGood says:

    My impression is that Yonatan is a sort of con artist who talks the talk and takes advantage of persons who still harbor fears of ole-time anti-Semitism. The fact is that Pittsburgh occurred after thousands of mass shootings in the US of various types, in schools, casinos etc. So to extrapolate from this one mass shooting in a synaguogue that anti-Semistism is on the rise is a stretch. But that does not mean it cannot be used as part of a good business model to bring paying guests to a Zionist Dude ranch in rural PA and dress up as genuine Sabra.

    • Replies: @anon
  140. pensword says:
    @anon

    yes, im sure they’re highly patriotic……….to the country they came from

    Uhm … I’m a born-and-raised American.

    And what passes for American “patriotism” these days is a fairly empty kettle, even if you’re not muslim.

    • Replies: @anon
  141. anon[240] • Disclaimer says:
    @Avery

    No. They did invade for Christianity. Bush was seeing hand of God guiding him to fulfill divine ideation . Blair a Catholic said loudly that God guided him and continued to guide . No Church has yet defrocked or delisted or expelled them . Christ came fighting for invasion. Every freaking day Falafall and testicles name as Graham and Robertson spouted evil anti Islaim and pro invasive Chrostian Faithology

    They continue to do so. Those bastards support attack on Iran. Those SOB support massacre of Syrians .

    My mafia neighbors say loving things to his daughters . So does ISIS to their children.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  142. pensword says:
    @Svigor

    LOL, the Muslim perspective on what’s “wholly American,” too precious.
    It’s not hypocritical to have doubts about a people’s ability to live up to European norms.

    Would those be the same norms that denied citizenship to non-Christians until well after muslims occupied the Iberian Peninsula, or the norms typically associated with the Jeffersonian ideal that became enshrined in the Free Exercise Clause?

    LOL all you’d like, but the parallels between shari’ah protection of religious liberty and its American counterpart are well recognized. With few few exceptions, muslim rulers applied this protection throughout the lands they administrated for over one thousand years, so yes … we’re quite familiar with a principle you imagine to be exclusively “European” or “wholly American.”

    It’s amusing to observe you guys, so mistrustful of Jews on the one hand, yet so ironically like Pharisees on the other. Perhaps I should LOL as well, but it’s much more satisfying to let the weight of knowledge bear slowly down upon your fragile ego and flatten it thinner than a crepe.

    • LOL: Garreth Smith
    • Replies: @Garreth Smith
  143. EugeneGur says:
    @Rich

    It is a philosophy that has led to more death, misery, poverty and destruction than any other I can think of in history.

    Philosophy never lead to death and destruction; politics does. If there is a need to inflict death and destruction, any philosophy could be and has been adapted for the purpose. “Bringing democracy” is a good case in point.

    It’s a theory based on twisted thinking and a misunderstanding of human nature.

    It’s a theory based on solid science and facts and deep understanding of the economic and social mechanisms driving the development of human societies. The genius of Marx is in that he saw the trends and driving forces in the society even before they were fully developed. By now, there is no doubt that he was largely correct in his theory.

    It is an ideology driven by envy and lust for power and has never, in my reading of history, brought dignity to anyone.

    It isn’t ideology, not is it a religion – to bring divinity. It is science, and Marx was above all a scientist. The Western science owes a lot to his works.

    I doubt very much you read any of his works and even you you did understood anything.

    • Replies: @Rich
  144. Robjil says:
    @anon

    Well, it was Old Testamentism that invaded the middle east. New Testamentism wasn’t part of the program at all. Seven nations to destroy theme comes from Deut. 7.1-2. The seven nations which Wesley Clark mentioned were Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Lebanon, Syria and Iraq. All have been attacked by Old testament fanatics except Iran. Iran is for that reason all the rage to get in our Old testament “free” press. Western Old testament fanatics want to get Iran in the bag to fulfill the seven nations to destroy game for the 9/11 false flag. 9/11 is another Old testament game. 9 in Judaic numerology represents something that is painful but beneficial. Birth is nine months. 11 represents something evil and destructive. It is a one up on Yahweh’s tree of life number of 10. There are 10 sefirot or aspects on God’s tree of life. War on Iraq in 1991 ended on Purim. War on Iraq in 2003 started on Purim. War on Libya in 2011 started on Purim. It is Old Testamentism that is the problem. We should all be like Marcion and dump the Old Testament. The Old Testament is the problem to world peace.

    • Replies: @anon
  145. anon[240] • Disclaimer says:
    @Robjil

    Don’t BS. Have better excuses. Try more cogent argument. Jewish have goaded ,have bribed have threatened to upend the career,expose the scandals, have permeated media ,TV, have corrupted leaders,school teachers,librarians , scientist,soldiers, janitors, agitators , thinkers and Senate , Pentagon , and Congress.

    But no body in NT asked the faithful to obey those and fall victim to those usuary based dole ,handout,crumbs and pittance .

    • Replies: @Robjil
  146. @pensword

    Which just shows that you don’t know any muslim Americans.

    Dunno about the source of his sentiment, could be just feeding off the Foxnews and neocon hysteria post 9/11 or could be based on something more like my 50 years of living in close proximity to Dearbornistan. My experience with Arabs (Muslim Arabs are worse than Chaldeans but Chaldeans are no founding stock pioneer/settlers either) has been like my experience with negroes only significantly better. That is to say that I’ve known some really fine members of both groups, entertained them in my home and been entertained in their homes, folks I’m glad to call friends. But… On average, we would be better off with neither or, at minimum, without the enclaves and ghettos like Dearbornistan and Destroyit.

    Specific to Muslims, the largest part of the problem is the retarded primitivism of religion. I’m no more a fan of pedophile men in dresses waving a cross than I am of any imam or rabbi. People who subscribe to superstitious supernatural nonsense are by definition irrational. Loyalty to family, friends, and Nation (however you define that) I can understand. Loyalty to some imaginary Sky Fairy invented before Newtonian physics is inherently unstable and dangerous. Can a devout Muslim be an American patriot? Only until the imam issues a fatwa..

  147. anon[240] • Disclaimer says:
    @DanGood

    Settlers routinely set fire to mosques and churches . They don’t have to kill. Their IDF does the killing .
    Pittsburgh shooter should have gone to Israel ,lived with settlers,and had he killed 11 Arabs, he would have been celebrated the way Ben Guron, Sharon, Begin are.

  148. anon[851] • Disclaimer says:
    @pensword

    And what passes for American “patriotism” these days is a fairly empty kettle, even if you’re not muslim

    white Americans have no reason to be patriotic to this govt that actively seeks to replace them

    • Replies: @pensword
  149. anon[240] • Disclaimer says:

    Retired Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz told LobeLog he will remain on the board of the Gatestone Institute, a right-wing think tank that receives money from Trump megadonors Robert and Rebekah Mercer and disseminates anti-Muslim and anti-refugee conspiracy theories.

    Last week, LobeLog reported that Dershowitz received $120,000 from the Gatestone Institute in 2017 and raised questions about Dershowitz, a self-described “liberal Democrat,” receiving payment from a group funded by billionaire Trump supporter10s. While Dershowitz served on Gatestone’s board, the group forged a partnership to co-produce videos with Rebel Media, a Toronto-based online media outlet with a history of anti-Semitism and employing white nationalists.

    http://www.lobelog.com

    Yo tan should meet Dershowitz , Pamella Geller, Horowtiz , Rabbi Butoch , Daniel Pipes , and should read the articles that expose the Jeeish creation of Islamophobia through videos and documentaries .

    Yo tan should know how Indian Muslims have been vilified by American Jews and Israrli Jews , using BJP as the conduit .

    So for one Soros ,there are thousands Jewish who are actively promoting ant Muslim hatred .

    None of those attack the Latinos or Blacks.

  150. Robjil says:
    @anon

    I agree. I was pointing out the proof beyond doubt that the recent destruction of the middle east is all based on Israel first mythologies. Yes, it is much broader and deeper than the in your face clues I pointed out.

  151. pensword says:
    @anon

    white Americans have no reason to be patriotic to this govt that actively seeks to replace them

    Not merely them, but all Americans.

    Let’s face it … Goybeans are goybeans, and the only thing they’re good for is readiness to serve. Making them tear at each others’ throats is a favorite pastime of the usual suspects and if it results in replacing America with something else, then so be it.

    So long as Israel remains unscathed, Yonatan probably wouldn’t mind pledging allegiance to whatever comes next.

    • Agree: L.K
    • Replies: @RobinG
    , @anon
    , @jacques sheete
  152. RobinG says:
    @pensword

    Signs of life …..

    In historic move, Sen. Rand Paul places hold on $38 billion to Israel https://israelpalestinenews.org/in-historic-move-sen-rand-paul-places-hold-on-38-billion-to-israel/

    In a historic move, Senator Rand Paul (R-Ky) may filibuster against massive aid package to Israel. AIPAC issues action alert to pressure Paul, predicts Congress will pass the aid package – largest in US history
    Anyone who wishes Rand Paul to continue his historic action should email him and/or phone him: 202-224-4343.

    • Agree: Talha
    • Replies: @pensword
  153. pensword says:
    @Stan d Mute

    Only until the imam issues a fatwa..

    No fatwa is needed by which to understand God’s clear mandate for liberty as expressed in The Qur’an 2: 256, “No compulsion in religion.” Muslims are also commanded to protect houses of worship:

    22: 40 ~ Those who have been driven from their homes unjustly only because they said: Our Lord is Allah – For had it not been for Allah’s repelling some men by means of others, cloisters and churches and oratories and mosques, wherein the name of Allah is oft mentioned, would assuredly have been pulled down. Verily Allah helpeth one who helpeth Him. Lo! Allah is Strong, Almighty.

    If America is defined first and foremost by the liberty it accords to its citizens and residents, and Islam demands protection of the very same, it would be profoundly difficult to assert with a straight face that a devout muslim can’t be a loyal American. On the other hand, if being a “patriotic American” constitutes devotion to Israel or overlords of the military-industrial complex (or do I repeat myself?), it would be better to cut that albatross loose from the neck.

  154. anon[851] • Disclaimer says:
    @pensword

    white Americans have no reason to be patriotic to this govt that actively seeks to replace them

    Not merely them, but all Americans.

    what reason do hispanics, dot-Indians, or chinese americans have to be unpatriotic?

    they all benefit from affirmative action and all of their co-ethnics are streaming in by the millions and tens of millions. they are basically being allowed to loot what has been built up by whites in this country

  155. pensword says:

    they all benefit from affirmative action and all of their co-ethnics are streaming in by the millions and tens of millions. they are basically being allowed to loot what has been built up by whites in this country

    Very similar arguments were made in the mid-to-late 19th century.

    Well, either you change the Constitution to bring about what you’d like, or future generations will witness first-hand the reality that demography truly is destiny.

    Karma’s pretty rough, isn’t it?

  156. Dannyboy says:

    What percentage of the US population are “Jews”?

    These are our forefathers.

    You think we’re just going to walk away without giving you what you deserve?

    • Replies: @Dannyboy
  157. pensword says:
    @RobinG

    From the link:

    A hold is a procedure where a senator tells his or her floor leader that he or she does not want a specific measure to reach the floor for consideration, and therefore may filibuster any motion to proceed to debate the bill or other measure.

    However, in this case, Majority Leader and fellow Kentucky Republican Sen. Mitch McConnell does not have to abide by Paul’s request. (emphasis pensword’s)

    [Editor’s note: McConnell has received over $1.5 million from pro-Israel campaign donors.]

    Were I a betting man, I’d lay money on McConnell, since most money is already laid on him.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  158. Dannyboy says:
    @Dannyboy

    “You may forgive us but we won’t be forgiven. There is rancor in our hearts…which you little dream of. We hate you, sir.”

  159. Dannyboy says:

    Hey, Gilad did you grow up poor?

    Tell me about poor Jews. Is there such a thing?

    I see these ads on TV about giving to poor old Jews…lol

    What a great scam.

  160. Dannyboy says:

    You can only bullshit the goy for so long. And then the inevitable backlash happens.

    It’s pretty simple really. Jews in the US have two choices.

    #1. Change your behavior and encourage other Jews to do the same.

    #2 Get the fuck out.

  161. RobinG says:
    @pensword

    This isn’t a betting game, pennie. The outcome, (of the U.S.-Israel Security Assistance Authorization Act of 2018), isn’t in doubt. The point is to register support for the brave effort.

    • Replies: @pensword
  162. Avery says:
    @Druid

    {You’re a troll!}

    No, actually you are.

    {Your attack of Islam shows your prejudice. }

    Your attack on Christianity shows your prejudice.

    Christianity is ~600 years older than Islam.
    There were no Muslims in Middle East.
    Now it’s been almost totally ethnically cleansed of indigenous Christians by mass-murdering Muslim hordes that escaped the Arabian peninsula.

    Asia Minor was near 100% Christian, populated by indigenous, sedentary, creative civilizations: Armenian (my ancestors), Assyrian, and Pontic Greek. Until, that is, the invasions of vicious, murderous, genocidal Muslim Turk hordes from East and Central Asia. Now there are practically no Christians left in their ancestral homelands in Asia Minor. Because of your mass-murdering Islamofascist kin.

  163. Rich says:
    @EugeneGur

    Read a history book. Soviet Union, Cambodia, Vietnam, China, Cuba, etc, etc., where has your Marxist religion ever done good? Where hasn’t it left streets littered with the dead, prisons full and people hungry? Maybe when you were a kid you thought it was “cool” to be that angry young commie outlaw, grow up. Look at the reality of what actual communists have done once they were given the opportunity.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
    , @EugeneGur
  164. pensword says:
    @RobinG

    This isn’t a betting game, pennie.

    Thank you for that wonderfully courteous response, robby.

    The point, which you appear to have missed, is that “registering support for the brave effort” is meaningless without the money to back it. I’ve supported such efforts for years, but they’ll never have teeth without capital. That may be an ugly truth to accept, but there it is.

  165. @pensword

    There’s some fine insights there, Sir!

    • Replies: @pensword
  166. @Rich

    Look at the reality of what actual communists [and innumerable others] have done once they were given the opportunity.

    That would be ideal, but in my experience, it’s asking way too much. Waaayyy too much.

  167. pensword says:
    @jacques sheete

    Thank you, jacques.

    “Let’s you and him fight” has long been their mantra. Pitting America against muslims and vice versa is the conflagration at the very top of their agenda. There’s far too much at stake for them to allow otherwise.

    • Replies: @Talha
  168. anonymous[739] • Disclaimer says:

    Very interesting – intelligent comments by….

    an honest Jew.

    That’s getting to be as rare as

    an honest liberal

    or

    a Hollywood movie with a good script that doesn’t hate on White Americans.

    a Weekend in my Chicago where no one was murdered and the City Council and our Jew mayor Rahm Emanuel didn’t steel something huge (My South Side Lakefront Jackson Park) for politically connected hate White people/groups (the Obama Presidential Center).

    I know of one other honest religious Jew from Brooklyn who shared my combat experience in New York City 1985-92. He was very helpful in trying to help me break off a relationship/marriage of my beautiful Nordic step daughter from a typical, terrible Jewish Southern California mafia pervert family. He offered to call up the young Jewish guy and threaten to kill him.

    I was very honored by his offer of help.

    Unfortunately the marriage came off with typical, terrible results and my step daughter is divorced, in debt, a recovering or not recovering alcoholic with other prescription drug addictions – the ex husband has moved on to chase other 20 young something Nordic blonds as these Southern California Mafia Jews all do.

  169. anon[357] • Disclaimer says:

    another one of those truly patriotic dual citizens

  170. FB says:

    I actually don’t know much about Gilad Atzmon since I do not waste my time on the fake ‘Jewish Question’…

    But reading this pile of baloney, it seems clear that Atzomon’s idea is to attack socialism, Karl Marx and other elements of ‘left’ ideology…

    Mainly this is bullshit because people like George Soros have NOTHING to do with socialism or real left ideas…

    Atzmon is obviously a fake ‘intellectual’ who is of a fascistic bent…socialist groups have cut ties with this agitator…and he proves it here by dismissing the entire Israeli ‘left’ as being of the fake left Soros type…which is far from the truth…

    • Agree: RobinG
    • Disagree: geokat62
    • Troll: L.K
    • Replies: @RobinG
    , @L.K
  171. EugeneGur says:
    @Rich

    Where hasn’t it left streets littered with the dead, prisons full and people hungry?

    Look, I grew up in the Soviet Union, and I’ve never seen “streets littered with dead, prisons full and people hungry”. Not until the West in general and US in particular intervened to bring us all the bliss of “democracy”, and the Soviet Union was no more.

    Yes, I have seen people hungry in 1990s when you applauded “the reforms” and I’ve seen dead on the streets crushed by tanks of the “democratic” Yeltsin government so pleasing to the West. “My friend Boris” as Bill Clinton used to say. We have a saying in Russia: “Tell me who your friends are, and I’ll tell you who you are”.

    Maybe when you were a kid you thought it was “cool” to be that angry young commie outlaw, grow up.

    You know you think in such silly cliches, it’s even funny. What makes you think I was ever angry, a commie, or an outlaw? I’ve always been perfectly respectable to the point of been boring. I’ve graduated from the best University in Russia summa cum laude and I have a PhD in biology. What could be more respectable than that? I’ve never been a member of the Communist Party.

    I was young but perfectly grown up when my country, the Soviet Union, was destroyed, and I know exactly what was done to my people and who is responsible. That sure made me angry.

    • Replies: @FB
    , @peterAUS
    , @Rich
  172. FB says:
    @EugeneGur

    Nicely said…although you do realize that you are arguing with a ‘humanoid’ that is easily outwitted by my geriatric cat…

    These types are indoctrinated fools who only know to spout the self-destructive koolaid that their capitalist robber baron masters have imposed upon their shriveled minds…

    They spout anti-communist slogans the same way that Pavlov’s dogs reacted after careful conditioning…they are not in charge of their own minds…they are actually objects of pity, since they are defending their oppressors that keep them in rags and chains…

    A great paradox you will find is that the lower the socio-economic level, the greater that person’s zeal for oligarchic capitalism…it is a fascinating paradox that should be explored in a scientific way…

  173. cassandra says:
    @Svigor

    The secret to Jewish power is Jewish racism

    I agree that Jewish power has racial origins, and that viewing through a racial prism often splits apparently colorless political activities into a spectrum of primary political interests.
    However, if race is to explain “secret power”, we should find analogies in the black Nation of Islam and in white supremacy. We don’t.

    The power of these and similar fringe groups is marginal because their views can be publicly criticized. Thus, critical discussion can arise when such a group attempts programs unpopular or possibly detrimental to the society-at-large. OTOH, exercise of Jewish power faces only the weakest critical feedback, because of powerfully embedded social taboos that forbid such discussion.

    The success of secrecy is demonstrated as well by secret societies. In those cases, power can be accumulated without public limitiation so long as its effects don’t leak out to the public. Skull and Bones is one frequently discussed example.

    State-sponsored political assassinations and false-flag operations are another successful class. There, power is kept hidden by denigrating examination of such as “conspiracy theory” or by suppressing dissent by the need to maintain “trust in government”. Those propaganda techniques, also taboos, are similar to invocations of “anti-Semitism” or “Holocaust denial” mantras used in the Jewish case. Here again, the secret to clandestine state power is that no one can discuss clandestine power. The anomalous Church hearings of the ’70’s showed how even mild revelations could be threatening, in large part because they weakened taboos and allowed open discussion. Nowadays, “trust in government” must be buttressed very carefully and used judiciously,only in major operations such as 911, the Iraq war, and contemporary Russophobia.

    Desired strategies, such as racial promotion, may be specific, but secrecy by taboo is a common tactic.

  174. peterAUS says:
    @EugeneGur

    ….I’ve always been perfectly respectable to the point of been boring. I’ve graduated from the best University in Russia summa cum laude and I have a PhD in biology. What could be more respectable than that? …

    One of these, a?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligentsia

    Well….you know…..not everyone there was a member of that group.

    It’s probably just me, but……….you sound as “cosmopolitan urbanite” in West talking down to “deplorables”.
    Granted, you definitely have manners out of this Universe compared to them, but, still….the underlying approach is the same.

    Yes….you were/are smart, probably a bit lucky, and got it well then and there.
    Plenty of people didn’t.

    Correct, the drunkard version of capitalism was even worse, but……anyway. We know it’s long story and probably waste of time here.

  175. Rich says:
    @EugeneGur

    Yes, Eugene,I realize you’re probably too young to have lived through the Russian Revolution and Stalin’s Reign of Terror, but are you actually arguing that the Soviet Union wasn’t a repressive police state before it fell? Are you really arguing in favor of communism? I guess it takes all kinds, but if things were so great, why did the Soviet Union collapse and why did millions flee as soon as the doors were opened? And, as I recall, people had to pay to get out. Must’ve been something wrong with those folks, willing to pay to leave a “worker’s paradise”.

    Naturally, you look back fondly on your youth, it goes that way with many people, the old “We were poor, but we were happy” bit, but you old Reds writing all the comments you can, under different names, can’t change reality. This isn’t the old Soviet Union where you could erase someone from a photograph and they no longer existed.

  176. peterAUS says:
    @Rich

    Hehe…..how about, what I call, “default answer of hard core Commies”?

    ….why did the Soviet Union collapse…

    “Because of betrayal of Gorbachev and traitors around him.”

    ….why did millions flee as soon as the doors were opened….

    “Traitors. Weak people. Greedy. No spiritual values. Morally corrupt.”

    …Must’ve been something wrong with those folks, willing to pay to leave a “worker’s paradise”.

    “Yes, of course. The paragraph above.”

    “We were poor, but we were happy”

    “Exactly. ”
    Usually, with this, there is more or less extensive verbal abuse of a guy the comment/reply is for, with, naturally, a paragraph or two in the same vein about West in general.

    On a more serious note…..why in all visual presentations of tough guys with firearms they are all STANDING with weapons shouldered?

    ANYONE here been actually under small arms fire behaving in such a way?
    Curious.
    Well, not really; just about what kind of answer I am going to get here, if any.
    When I was fired upon a couple of times (or so I say) the first thing I did, and guys around me, was to hit the deck, and even that not as per all those nice manuals. More as having legs taken out by an Olympic wrestler. Perfect sprawl…..haha…..

    It’s probably just me but I’d take a picture, guys in it, poster etc. seriously If saw them laying prone, behind a good cover and concealed on top of it. Yes, could be done in urban, not just rural. Definitely.
    Probably old and obsolete way of doing a firefight….?
    How things change………………………………………

  177. FB says:
    @Rich

    ‘This isn’t the old Soviet Union where you could erase someone from a photograph and they no longer existed.’

    Tell you what…when I need a Soviet ‘expert’ who has a grade school education, has never actually stepped foot inside the Soviet Union…and has gleaned his ‘knowledge’ by inhaling koolaid…I’ll let you know…LOL

    • Replies: @Rich
  178. I has just dawned on me that the Pittsburg shootings were possibly a very clever marketing scheme to get American Jews to sign up to that “Israeli Military Academy” so conveniently close by.

  179. Rich says:
    @FB

    I know you’ve written that you used to sweep floors at Cape Canaveral, but did that really give you clearance to look at my DD214 and passport records? I’m not sure how many names and identities you have on this site, but no matter how many you use, it doesn’t change reality. Are any of you really claiming that the Soviet Union wasn’t a poor, repressive, police state? Are any of you arguing, against all reality, that millions of Soviet citizens didn’t pay to get out as soon as the opportunity availed itself?

    I really hope Russia becomes a successful trading partner of the US in the future, but that can’t change the fact that communism is an evil, poverty causing system. No matter how much polish you clowns try to put on that turd.

    • Replies: @FB
  180. bluto1 says:

    BREAKING NEWS OH YES!

    Harry Truman letter bomb sent by the 1947 Zionist Stern Gang

    In 1947, Harry Truman was nearly the victim of a letter bomb sent by the Zionist Stern Gang. British intelligence alerted the Secret Service to a plot by the Gang to bomb British officials, and had already found one envelope containing explosive powder and a small detonator. Sure enough, the White House mail room found such a letter, and it was quickly defused. The incident was hushed up, and not revealed to the public until Truman’s daughter Margaret published her memoirs in 1972.

    Though the Zionists engaged in open battles against British troops their principle method of operation was terrorism, first in Palestine, later to include England and, as we shall see, elsewhere. The militant group Irgun Zva’i Le’ummi began operations in 1931. An even more violent offshoot, Lehi (Lohamei Herut Yisrael), better known as the Stern Gang after its founder Avraham Stern, split from the Irgun in 1940. Avraham Stern declared that his group’s goal was to establish a Jewish state based on “nationalist and totalitarian principles … .” [2] After Stern’s death in 1942 the group was commanded jointly by three men, and by 1943 Yitzhak Shamir was one of them. In 1944 Menachem Begin assumed leadership of the Irgun. Under cover of World War II and its aftermath the attacks by the Irgun and Stern Gang increased in frequency and violence.

    Some planned attacks were never carried out, for example sending agents to London to assassinate Foreign Secretary Ernest Bevin. Some attacks didn’t come off, for example on April 15, 1947 a Stern Gang agent planted a twenty-four stick bomb at the Colonial Office of Whitehall, the seat of British government, which failed to explode because of a faulty timer. Some attacks were thwarted, for example when the Stern Gang mailed booby-trapped letters – letter bombs, designed to maim and kill – eventually totaling 21 in number, to various officials in England, including (in 1947) Ernest Bevin and his predecessor Anthony Eden. All but one, which injured two employees at a London post office, were intercepted in time. Other terrorist attacks succeeded only too well. The Stern Gang murdered Walter Guinness (Lord Moyne), the British Minister in State for the Middle East, in Cairo on November 6, 1944 (they also killed his driver, Arthur Fuller). The Irgun planted a huge seven piece time bomb in the King David Hotel, in Palestine, on July 22, 1946 killing 91 people and injuring 46, most of whom were not British officials. [3] On October 31, 1946 the Irgun bombed the British Embassy in Rome, injuring three people. By 1947 the British are ready to give up on Palestine. [4]
    Which brings us to President Harry Truman. By 1947 his ambivalent, at times even hostile, attitude toward the promoters of a “Jewish state” has become well known. A few quotes, three taken from an article by David Martin, will give some indication of that attitude. [5] The first is from a letter Truman wrote to Edward Pauley dated October 22, 1946. [6] Speaking of the situation in Palestine:

    That situation is insoluble in my opinion. I have spent a year and a month trying to get some concrete action on it. Not only are the British highly successful in muddling the situation as completely as it could possibly be muddled, but the Jews themselves are making it almost impossible to do anything for them. They seem to have the same attitude toward the “underdog” when they are on top as they have been treated as “underdogs” themselves.

    From Truman’s Memoirs: [7]

    Then Emmanuel Cellar pounded upon Mr. Truman’s desk and said, “And if you don’t come out for a Jewish state we’ll run you out of town.”

    This, I’m sure, is the threat that Mr. Truman refers to in his book, saying [paraphrasing – A.W.], “The extreme Zionists threatened me.” They were Emmanuel Cellar, Rabbi Steven Wise, etc. These are not the extreme Zionists, these are just the run of the mill Zionists. What Mr. Truman did was to cave in to these threats that they would support Mr. Dewey.

    • Replies: @L.K
  181. polnick says:
    @Fred

    Having met hundreds of Jews and Christian in my lifetime. It is difficult to decide who treats others kinder or who leads a more decent life. Jew hatred cannot be caused by more evil behavior by Jews. Hatred must be caused by blind human nature.

  182. FB says:
    @Rich

    Yeah sure lugnut…I’m sure you have all kinds of ‘expertise’ inside that thick skull… [as well as all kinds of stamps in your ‘passport’…LOL]…I’ll be sure to let you know when I need my tires rotated, ok…?

    • Replies: @Rich
    , @anon
  183. Rich says:
    @FB

    That’s hilarious, you comment all over this site about how smart you are, and you have to ask for help to do a simple job like rotate your tires? Comical. But I guess back in Soviet Union you only had to rotate the donkey that pulled your cart to market, right? Too funny.

    • Replies: @FB
  184. FB says:
    @Rich

    At least I’ve actually been to Russia lugnut…didn’t see any donkey carts there…but I did get to spend some time at the Gromov Flight Test Center…what did you see when you ‘visited’ the USSR…?…LOL…

    • Replies: @Rich
  185. Drawing upon an article in Ha’aretz last year, Jerusalem university professor and bestseller author Yuval Noah Harari wrote the following passage in the first chapter of his latest book, 21 Lessons for the 21st Century, about the fanatical settlers living in Kiryat Area and elsewhere in the West Bank, which they are occupying illegally:

    “Similar nostalgic dreams that mix nationalist attachment with religious traditions underpin regimes in India, Poland, Turkey and numerous other countries. Nowhere are these fantasies more extreme than in the Middle East, where Islamists want to copy the system established by the Prophet Muhammad in the city of Medina 1,400 years ago, while fundamentalist Jews in Israel outdo even the Islamists, and dream of going back 2,500 years to biblical times. Members of Israel’s ruling coalition government talk openly about their hope of expanding modern Israel’s borders to match more closely those of biblical Israel, of reinstating biblical law, and even of rebuilding the ancient Temple of Yahweh in Jerusalem in place of the Al-Aqsa mosque.”

    Even though some of the Jewish settlers may have come back to America, these people still appear to be fanatics in spirit, still wallowing in the type of nostalgia alluded to in the quote above. This is evidenced, for instance, by Yonatan giving role-playing participants Israeli uniforms to wear in the training camps he organizes. Did he steal and then smuggle these outfits out of Israel to the USA? Unlike military apparel with popular camouflage pattern schemes, these monochrome uniforms are not for sale because adversaries might acquire them to wear in potential attack operations. Also, the notion of needing a long range and high power rifle to defend oneself, or a synagogue, as it were, seems somewhat impractical in a civilian context, although reasonable if the subliminal intent is to encourage and practice engaging in potential collective intimidation and aggression, as settlers in the West Bank are known to do. (Yet if they actually wanted to deploy the best and most compact rifle on the market, they would have been using the Steyr AUG A3M1 with shorter barrel and sound suppressor instead of a basic Galil or derivative Tavor.)

    More importantly, the defense training camp concept depicted in the video, in rural Pennsylvania, which is surely great fun and enhances camaraderie among its pre-screened participants, really only attempts to deal with the symptoms of the over-hyped phenomenon of ant-semitism in America rather than getting at its source. Yonatan might want to read the recent trilogy by Tel Aviv professor Shlomo Sand, including The Invention of the Jewish People, and The Invention of the Land of Israel to help himself get a grip on reality.

    With regard to Gilad, I think his public attempt to reinvent himself as a non-Jew is commendable, though, to affirm that such an intellectual development is not merely a transient trend or phase in his life he surely ought to redouble his effort and have some “skin in the game”, as the saying goes; a mental transformation alone is insufficient and should therefore also be accompanied by the appropriate physical morphology, namely the tedious process leading to full foreskin restoration.

    Borrowing from the popular Alcoholics Anonymous concept, perhaps Gilad could some day organize “Jews Anonymous” encounter groups, workshops or even training camps, for men, that would encourage those suffering from their specific addiction and affliction to fully transform themselves into normal human beings, both mentally and physically.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  186. @pensword

    It’s amusing to observe you guys, so mistrustful of Jews on the one hand, yet so ironically like Pharisees on the other. Perhaps I should LOL as well, but it’s much more satisfying to let the weight of knowledge bear slowly down upon your fragile ego and flatten it thinner than a crepe.

    Touché

  187. sabasarge says:

    Once again the Goldstein shooting is brought up as an example of how we Jews ‘do the same thing’.
    Interesting how the one example always suffices to compare with the ongoing, never-ending and PLENTIFUL massacres perpetrated by Muslims worldwide, slicing and dicing their way around the globe. Really? Is that your best shot?
    Truly pathetic.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @Art
  188. anon[657] • Disclaimer says:
    @FB

    you don’t have to be an expert to be aware of some rudimentary facts about the early Soviet Union

  189. Rich says:
    @FB

    Man, you took your janitorial skills all over the world, then? I thought you wrote somewhere on this site that you were a janitor at Cape Canaveral? Am I confusing you with one of your other identities? Or are you one of those guys who “was doctor in Soviet Union but must sweep floor in America”?

    I understand, you’re a Red, and I also understand it takes all kinds, but I just get a kick out of anyone who’s over the age of say 22 or 23 who can’t see the terrible history of communism. If you, or one of your other identities, did well during communism, remember, some Europeans didn’t get a sniffle during the Black Plague, either. Doesn’t mean the Plague wasn’t bad.

    • Replies: @FB
  190. anonymous[739] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    You also noticed that.

    I do admire this jewish guy’s honesty and his commitment to his people. He says lots of sensible, fair things about our people. But, with this comment about Charlottesville he let’s on that he accepts the mainstream media narrative about Charlottesville and Alt Right, Populists who don’t want to see Confederate statues and Confederate graves destroyed and don’t want to see our people replaced by mass 3rd world immigration and the explosive growth and destruction of the Black underclass the worst homosexual extremists etc.

    The chant he referenced was “You will not replace us”

    Maybe a few did say “Jew will not replace us” and this is a reference to the powerful Neo Conservative Jew William Kristol openly calling for the White American working class to be replaced by happy, low wage immigrant workers.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  191. anonymous[739] • Disclaimer says:
    @sabasarge

    I agree. Jewish Zionists are rarely mass murdering shooters. The real crimes of hostile Jews are the almost universal Jewish program to end all immigration restrictions in White Western European countries.

    Virtually every single American Jewish Congressman, US Senator has/had an F immigration grade from NumbersUSA.

    It doesn’t matter if some sensible White American, White Englishman professes unconditional support for Israel as a Jewish ethno state –

    Honorable men like Tommy Robinson get slandered and abused as the worst evil Racist Nazis for just speaking out against old Muslim Pakistani men in places like Rotherham England sexually grooming, raping young English girls.

    • Replies: @sabasarge
  192. sabasarge says:
    @anonymous

    I myself have a serious problem with Democrat/Leftist American Jews. I am however a proud Zionist, as we are simply returning to our homeland. We certainly have more rights in the land from which we were dispersed and where we were once held sovereignty (twice), and a land that we have prayed to return to for thousands of years than say, Brits coming to a new world with zero historical ties in the 17th century, decimating indiginous populations. Funny how that is all fine and dandy yet WE are the occupiers/colonists?
    By the way I agree completely with you about Tommy Robinson.

    • Replies: @Art
    , @geokat62
  193. peterAUS says:
    @Been_there_done_that

    ….they would have been using the Steyr AUG A3M1 with shorter barrel and sound suppressor instead of a basic Galil or derivative Tavor.)…

    Wrote a related comment and deleted it; not quite keen on “online training” on THIS site.
    Just to say that there could be a very good reason to prefer the good old Galil to either Steyr AUG A3M1 or Tavor. Let’s leave it there.

    • LOL: FB
  194. FB says:
    @Rich

    look lugnut…I only have so much time for illiterate trailer trash like you…you’ve been farting here a bunch of useless gas about communism and the Soviet Union about which you know nothing and have never even been there…so you’ve taken up more than your share of bandwidth here giving us your ignoramus 101 view of the world…

    • Replies: @Rich
    , @anon
  195. Art says:
    @sabasarge

    Interesting how the one example always suffices to compare with the ongoing, never-ending and PLENTIFUL massacres perpetrated by Muslims worldwide

    Say sabasarge,

    Speaking of worldwide harm.

    What about this example, what about the OxyContin killers – the Jew Sacklers? 70,000 dead Americans last year!

    Is that not a prime example of Jew character? Jew greed and lack of empathy for humanity?

    Think Peace — Do No Harm — Art

    • Replies: @RobinG
  196. Rich says:
    @FB

    Illiterate-adj; unable to read or write.

    lug-nut-n; large rounded nut that fits over a heavy bolt.

    Moron-n; anyone who thinks communism was ever good.

    Hope I cleared that up for you.

    • Replies: @FB
  197. RobinG says:
    @Art

    Well, I thought someone would challenge the “one example” nonsense … with any of countless historical examples … Deir Yassin, the whole Nakba, … even King David Hotel. But saba-garbage knows only too well her own evil heart.

    • Replies: @Art
  198. RobinG says:
    @FB

    OTOH, there are genuine intellects …..

    Has Zionism Hijacked Judaism by Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro

    • Replies: @FB
  199. Art says:
    @sabasarge

    I am however a proud Zionist, as we are simply returning to our homeland.

    sabasarge,

    That is crazy – you cannot claim land from thousands of years ago – who do you think you are?

    People felt sorry for you Jews after WWII – but you have totally abused their good intentions.

    What character flaw possesses you Jews – that you can continue to steal more land from the Palestinians. Every day you do more harm to the ME.

    Clearly, creating Israel was a real mistake.

    Think Peace — Do No harm — Art

    • Replies: @sabasarge
  200. FB says:
    @Rich

    You forgot the most relevant word in this [ahem] ‘discussion’…

    Ignoramus…

    The Latin maxim ignoramus et ignorabimus, meaning “we do not know and will not know”

  201. sabasarge says:
    @Art

    Ah, I see. You however as an American can claim land that was never yours, inhabited by others and a land that you had zero history with. How convenient. It reminds me of how America can bomb a restaurant in Iraq filled with civilians because you thought Saddam might be there, slaughtering innocents (he wasn’t there) yet we are constantly castigated for “inproportional response” when Arabs hide behind civilians. Hypocrites. Whether you like it or not we have a MUCH greater claim to the land of Israel than you do to the land called America.
    Funny thing is that history’s greatest empires have tried to eradicate us, yet here we are, and they are nowhere to be found.
    Live with it……or not. Make no difference to us.

    • Replies: @Rich
    , @anon
    , @Them Guys
    , @Art
  202. FB says:
    @RobinG

    Thanks for that video Robin…a very interesting talk by this ultra-orthodox rabbi…the ultra-orthodox reject the idea of a ‘Jewish state’…as a heresy basically…

  203. geokat62 says:
    @sabasarge

    By the way I agree completely with you about Tommy Robinson.

    When you have a self-professed Zionist say that he agrees with you that TR (real name Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon) is an honorable man that should set off a few alarm bells.

    Take a look at this vid, Tommy Robinson is a Zionist Shill:

    At 3:20 the man with a microphone says to TR “I noticed you’re wearing a button that says ‘I’m a Zionist”…

    Or, better still, if you really want to see what an awaken Brit thinks about “4 names Tommy” and how he is playing a role as the controlled opposition, simply look at this vid:

  204. FKA Max says: • Website
    @wayfarer

    A Study in Anti–White Media Lies:
    Are Right–Wing Extremists More Likely to Kill you Than Muslim Terrorists?


    When the mainstream media can manage to turn “You Are More Than 60 Times As Likely To Be Killed By A Muslim Terrorist Than By Right-Wing Extremists” into “You Are More Than 7 Times As Likely To Be Killed By A Right-Wing Extremist Than By Muslim Terrorists”—and even get away with adding the byline that “The face of terrorism in the United States is white!”—the perception of anti–white bias in the American media is no longer a paranoid fantasy; it’s fact.
    http://www.unz.com/forum/u-s-law-enforcement-failed-to-see-the-threat-of-white-nationalism-now-they-dont-know-how-to-stop-it/#comment-2619997

    The number of Jews who died in the attacks is variously estimated at between 270 and 400.[152][153][154][155] The lower figure tracks closely with the percentage of Jews living in the New York area and partial surveys of the victims’ listed religion. The U.S. State Department has published a partial list of 76 in response to claims that fewer Jews/Israelis died in the WTC attacks than should have been present at the time.[152][156] Five Israeli citizens died in the attack.[157]

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/anti-semitic-far-right-terrorist-attacks-synagogue/#comment-2596042

    Jewish targets often serve as precursors to larger attacks: Perpetrators of well-known larger attacks, such as the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, were first involved in anti-Jewish incidentshttp://archive.is/sQqxm#selection-1477.0-1499.53

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/anti-semitic-far-right-terrorist-attacks-synagogue/#comment-2596353

    Court Documents Suggest Link Between Boston Marathon Bomber And Unsolved Triple Homicide

    According to one of the documents, a former classmate was ready to testify that Tsarnaev told the classmate he had “committed jihad” in Waltham.

    http://www.wbur.org/news/2018/11/24/tamerlan-tsarnaev-unsolved-waltham-homicide

    2011 Waltham triple murder

    Three men, Brendan Mess (age 25), Erik Weissman (31) and Raphael Teken (37), were discovered murdered in the early afternoon on September 12, 2011. They were found in Mess’s apartment at 12 Harding Avenue in Waltham, Massachusetts.[6]

    All three victims were Jewish according to a number of sources.[7][8][9][10][11] Other sources have not reported a religion for Mess.[7][10][12] Weissman was outspoken about his Jewish faith, and an active member of his synagogue. Teken had majored in history at predominantly Jewish Brandeis University; he was buried in Israel.[10]

    Mess had been described by Tamerlan Tsarnaev as his best friend.[10][13] Mess, Weissman, and both Tsarnaev brothers had attended Cambridge Rindge and Latin School at various times.[10] Mess received a bachelor’s degree in professional writing from Champlain College in 2008.[14]

    The three men, who were described as being physically strong, were dragged to or killed in three different rooms.[15] Mess was a well-known mixed martial arts fighter, and is listed as a martial arts instructor on his death certificate. Teken is listed as a personal trainer on his death certificate.[3] Weissman was a bodybuilder.[16]
    […]
    Based on cell phone usage, police believe the killings took place on the evening of September 11.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Waltham_triple_murder#Victims

    • Replies: @wayfarer
    , @anon
  205. wayfarer says:
    @FKA Max

    It’s a dark world out there.

    I’m guessing by your high-quality prolific posts, you have little patience for criminals.

    I sure as hell don’t.

    I do appreciate your work.

    Here’s something you may find of interest.

    I lived on a rental property in San Diego County with a bunch of young Israelis.

    One of them owned a local vegetarian restaurant.

    Spent two years indirectly interacting with them.

    I referred to them as “junior Mossad.” Untold drug dealings and tons of nefarious activities. They spent lots of time steamrolling through the community, with a variety of stealthy shady endeavors.

    Extrapolating on that and other experiences, and given evidence that continuously points to Israel’s incessant miscreant behavior, I’ve come to a personal conclusion that no Israeli, Israeli-American, and/or Israeli owned business, is to ever be trusted.

    In my world, Israelis are now all guilty until proven innocent, and considered nothing more than two-faced backstabbers.

    I do not trust any of them, plain and simple.

    • Replies: @FKA Max
    , @FKA Max
  206. FKA Max says: • Website
    @Gilad Atzmon

    Do you think Yonatan Stern has connections to the Mossad or do you think he is operating completely independently, since his training camp seems similar in spirit and style to the ones the JDL ran in the 1980s?

    By the way, the Department of Energy dedicated six pages in their 1986 report titled “Terrorism in the United States and the Potential Threat to Nuclear Facilities” to the Jewish Defense League: http://archive.is/TmQBS#selection-5339.0-7117.44 and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Defense_League#Terrorism_and_other_illegal_activities

    However, the group’s technical proficiency has apparently increased appreciably. The new generation of recruits joining the group may have greater knowledge and sophistication in terrorist tactics in general and the manufacture of bomb[s] in particular. This sophistication may also be product of the summer camps run by the JDL in New York and California for Jewish youths.
    A leaflet issued by the group describes one camp, known as JUDO (Jews United to Defend Ourselves), as a place that offers the opportunity to “learn Karate, legal and proper weapons training, street fighting and how to be a proud Jew who can defend the Jewish people.”
    http://archive.is/TmQBS#selection-6527.31-6677.60 p. 14-15 https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/Digitization/101049NCJRS.pdf

    ”But my own suspicion is that the Israeli Mossad had a hand in the thing,” he said, referring to the Israeli secret service. ”They probably used J.D.L. local people who did the technical work on it, local terrorists.” – https://www.nytimes.com/1985/11/09/us/fbi-says-jewish-defense-league-may-have-planted-fatal-bombs.html

    http://www.unz.com/article/hero-worship-tommytards/#comment-2350590

  207. @Stan d Mute

    ” I’m no more a fan of pedophile men in dresses waving a cross than I am of any imam or rabbi.”

    I love ya Stan, but for the record, let’s use the correct terms here, not the MSM’s, in regard to the Catholic priest scandal: Homosexual men were able to infiltrate the Catholic priesthood in order to provide themselves with access to mostly pubescent and post pubescent teenage boys (very few victims were prepubescent males relatively speaking; very few females of any age as well, see link below). That is not pedophilia, but the term pedophilia was used in order to steer the focus away from the fact that homosexual men with power will use it to have sex with teenage boys. To be clear, a cowardly and corrupted Catholic hierarchy still decided to cover up this abomination, and they deserve as much if not more scorn for it. But again, these were homos, not straight men who all suddenly became pedophiles and were abusing prepubescent boys.

    http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/child-and-youth-protection/upload/The-Causes-and-Context-of-Sexual-Abuse-of-Minors-by-Catholic-Priests-in-the-United-States-1950-2010.pdf

    As far as Muslims go, they can all go back to the ME, and once the US stops funding Israel, they can all have a nice big fight over who gets to control the region, because I have no use for either group, but I’d appreciate it if they’d all take a negro under each arm drop them off back in Liberia on the swim back home. And if American born Muslim supremacists like Pensword or Palistinafiliacs like Jack Shithead don’t like it, they can GTFO too. The United States was designed to be a homogeneous sovereign, meaning made up of European descendants who believe in principles based on The Magna Carta, habeas corpus, the Constitution, and other extremist stuff like that.

    I am fully aware of the reality of the situation however, and any return to that preferred scenario will of course require violence. Which group of United States inhabitants are more prepared for that reality? I guess we will find out soon enough.

  208. FKA Max says: • Website
    @wayfarer

    Untold drug dealings and tons of nefarious activities.

    That is probably the reason why most Jews don’t mind South and Central Americans immigrants and drug cartels flooding the country and exacerbating the opioid epidemic, because they benefit/profit from it:

    Hassidic link to drugs barons
    Ultra Orthodox US Jews accused of ‘cleaning’ Colombian coke cartel cash

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/10/drugsandalcohol.uk

    The Sackler family started it and El Chapo et al. are finishing the job:

    Sackler family members face mass litigation and criminal investigations over opioids crisis

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/nov/19/sackler-family-members-face-mass-litigation-criminal-investigations-over-opioids-crisis

    [MORE]

    We had a heated debate on the topic over in the other comments thread: http://www.unz.com/runz/racial-politics-in-america-and-in-california/#comment-2620336

    Growth in the Hispanic population vs. Total U.S. Drug Deaths

    Source: http://www.unz.com/runz/racial-politics-in-america-and-in-california/#comment-2631985

    • Replies: @FKA Max
  209. Rich says:
    @sabasarge

    The original Jews were wiped out by the Romans in the 1st century. You share, somewhat, a religion with those people, but you aren’t the same people.

    As to claiming the US, utter nonsense. The contiguous US was inhabited by no more than 1 million people. It was a vast, undeveloped land. A little different than the Middle East Jews moved into in 1948.

    No, your claim is based more on what’s called “Right of Conquest”. And to this point, the people you share a religion with have been able to hold that land. As long as they are able to hold it, it’s theirs. Should the day come come when they can’t hold it, it won’t be, and no old book will change any of that.

    Genetically, from what I’ve been able to gather, Ashkenazi, or European, Jews are of Italian origin, they’ve even been able to trace most of you to one woman, I believe. Of course, over the years your ancestors have mixed with other Euro groups so are no longer solely Italian, although your Italian ancestry does actually give you a claim since Rome ruled Palestine for many years. But you guys really have to stop with claiming the land based on a small tribe that lived in the area thousands of years ago.

    • Replies: @sabasarge
  210. FKA Max says: • Website
    @wayfarer

    “This is essentially a crime family … drug dealers in nice suits and dresses,”https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/nov/19/sackler-family-members-face-mass-litigation-criminal-investigations-over-opioids-crisis

    I just had a look what causes and to whom the Sackler family has donated to over the years, very interesting:

    American Cartel: Nonprofits Unapologetically Accepted Millions In ‘Blood Money’ From Opioid Profiteers

    https://dailycaller.com/2017/10/09/american-cartel-billionaire-family-behind-oxycontin-apparently-spends-zilch-rehabbing-addicts/ and https://dailycaller.com/2017/11/13/american-cartel-nonprofits-unapologetically-accepted-millions-in-blood-money-from-opioid-profiteers/

    Foundation for Defense of Democracies ($100,000)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundation_for_Defense_of_Democracies and they also donated to the ADL (just $1,500), Jihad Watch ($15,000), etc.: https://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2015/311/577/2015-311577962-0ce7ac93-F.pdf

    Richard’s political contributions have gone mostly to Republicans—including Strom Thurmond and Herman Cain—though at times he has also given to Democrats. (His ex-wife, Beth Sackler, has given almost exclusively to Democrats.) In 2008, he wrote a letter to the editor of The Wall Street Journal denouncing Muslim support for suicide bombing, a concern that seems to persist: Since 2014, his charitable organization, the Richard and Beth Sackler Foundation, has donated to several anti-Muslim groups, including three organizations classified as hate groups by the Southern Poverty Law Center. (The family spokesperson said, “It was never Richard Sackler’s intention to donate to an anti-Muslim or hate group.”) The foundation has also donated to True the Vote, the “voter-fraud watchdog” that was the original source for Donald Trump’s inaccurate claim that three million illegal immigrants voted in the 2016 election.

    https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a12775932/sackler-family-oxycontin/ and https://www.insidephilanthropy.com/home/2018/3/12/sackler-family-philanthropy-controversial-gifts

    • Replies: @wayfarer
    , @Art
  211. anon[311] • Disclaimer says:
    @FB

    look lugnut…I only have so much time for illiterate trailer trash like you…

    it seems you have plenty of time

  212. sabasarge says:
    @Rich

    LOL……a total crock of unsupported shit. You are completely ignorant of history…now why does that not surprise me.You and others here are truly pathetic. And for the record the most recent DNA test prove beyond doubt that Jews from across the globe came from, wait for it…Judea. Get it? Arabs come from Arabia, Jews come from Judea. But you and your imbecillic ilk have never let facts get in the way of your Jew-hatred, so why start now.
    Have fun with your circle jerk here fellas, I won’t be wasting anymore of my time here, for fear that the putrid stench may somehow leak its’ way through the ether net.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Rich
  213. anon[311] • Disclaimer says:
    @FKA Max

    The number of Jews who died in the attacks is variously estimated at between 270 and 400.[152][153][154][155] The lower figure tracks closely with the percentage of Jews living in the New York area and partial surveys of the victims’ listed religion.

    it was a financial building in New York City, should have been loaded with jews unless for some reason they were tipped off

    • Replies: @FKA Max
  214. anon[311] • Disclaimer says:
    @sabasarge

    Whether you like it or not we have a MUCH greater claim to the land of Israel than you do to the land called America.

    whites carved these countries out of the wilderness, actually built great countries where before there was nothing

    you have no claim to Palestine other than your book says so

  215. anon[311] • Disclaimer says:
    @sabasarge

    But you and your imbecillic ilk have never let facts get in the way of your Jew-hatred, so why start now.

    we try to forgive but you continue on with the same behavior

    Have fun with your circle jerk here fellas, I won’t be wasting anymore of my time here…..

    well i’m sure to miss you

  216. wayfarer says:
    @FKA Max

    Drug violence blamed for Mexico’s record 29,168 murders in 2017.

    Armed drones are becoming Mexican drug cartels’ weapon of choice.

    Israel aiding Mexico’s ‘development’ with more arms, drones and spyware.

    Israel is the largest supplier of drones to Latin America.

    source: https://citizentruth.org/mexican-drug-cartels-armed-drones/
    source: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/21/drug-violence-blamed-mexico-record-murders-2017
    source: https://www.mintpressnews.com/israel-aids-mexico-development-with-arms-drones-and-spy-software/232080/

  217. Art says:
    @RobinG

    Hi RobinG,

    This sabasarge character is pathological – its claim to land from 3,000 years ago is totally irrational.

    Its claim that the only thing the Israeli Jews have done wrong is “Goldstein” – is delusional – what about the multiple murdering incursions into Gaza, Lebanon, and Syria for starters.

    Sabasarge is so typical of the Jew character – no empathy, dishonest, and arrogant.

    Think Peace — Do No Harm — Art

    • Agree: Them Guys
  218. FKA Max says: • Website
    @anon

    it was a financial building in New York City, should have been loaded with jews unless for some reason they were tipped off

    That is the reason it was attacked because the terrorists knew that many Jews worked there.

    The Jews Knew?

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2007/09/jews-knew-anne-morse/

    Cantor Fitzgerald lost 658 employees including the Jewish CEO’s brother:

    After losing 658 employees, including his brother, in the September 11 attacks, Lutnick has become known for his charity efforts through the Cantor Fitzgerald Relief Fund, which helps to aid families of the attacks and natural disasters.
    […]
    Howard Lutnick was born to a Jewish family[2] in Jericho, Long Island on July 14,
    1961
    […]
    Lutnick himself would have been in the office as well that morning, but on September 11 he was taking his son Kyle to his first day of kindergarten.[12][13]
    […]
    In a televised interview with CNN’s Larry King on September 19th, Lutnick addressed the issue, saying “I lost everybody in the company… I don’t have any money to pay their salaries.”[14][15] In that same interview, Lutnick went on to say that while paychecks had been stopped, families of Cantor employees who had died in the attack would receive a 25% share of future Cantor profits for five years as well as health insurance for the next ten years.[4][12] Combined, this package totaled more than $100,000 for each family.[4][14]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Lutnick

  219. FKA Max says: • Website
    @FKA Max


    Property developers, real-estate agencies and construction firms benefit from the boost to building associated with population growth.
    https://www.smh.com.au/public-service/rethinking-immigration-and-its-complex-effects-on-society-20170628-gx0dkf.html

    Forbes 400: The Top 10 Real Estate Billionaires

    https://www.bisnow.com/national/news/commercial-real-estate/the-top-10-real-estate-billionaires-on-the-forbes-400-50504?single-page

    Donald Bren “His mother was of partial Irish descent while his father was of Jewish descent.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Bren owns vast tracts of real estate in SoCal , which benefit from population growth/immigration.

    By 2005, OC Weekly wrote that Bren “wields more power than Howard Hughes ever did, probably as much as any man in America over a concentrated region—determining not only how people live and shop but who governs them.”[21] In 2006 the Los Angeles Times wrote “[s]imply put, Orange County looks like Orange County…because of the influence of [Donald Bren].”[22]

    Stephen M. Ross “Relative Max Fisher (uncle)” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_M._Ross

    “His skill at diplomacy kept him connected to every administration since President Dwight D. Eisenhower’s on Middle East and Jewish issues.[1]” – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Fisher

    Richard LeFrak “LeFrak was born in 1945 to a Jewish family[3] in New York City, one of four children of Ethel Stone and real estate developer Samuel J. LeFrak.[4][5]” – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_LeFrak

    Ted Lerner “Lerner was raised in an Orthodox Jewish family in Northwest Washington D.C.” – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Lerner

    Carl Berg “Carl Berg was born and raised in a Jewish family[7] in New Mexico.[2]” – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Berg

    In California, he partnered with real estate agent, John A. Sobrato, and pooling their owned capital, founded Midtown Realty.[2] In 1979, they re-focused their business on building industrial campuses for the tech industry.[2]

    Sam Zell “Zell was born in Chicago to a Jewish family, the son of Ruchla and Berek Zielonka.” – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Zell

    Leonard N. Stern “Stern was born to a Jewish family,[4][5] the son of Hilda (née Lowenthal) and Max Stern.[5]” – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_N._Stern

    Jerry Speyer “Speyer grew up in a cultured German-Jewish household on Riverside Drive.” – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Speyer

  220. Them Guys says:
    @sabasarge

    Even the Bible has ZERO mention of any mid east land for a bunch of Khazars, who at about 1,200 yrs ago Mass converted to Talmudic Judaism. Khazars= race mix of Turk+Hunn+Mongrel+Caucasian.

    Ironic that even Atheist Jews, when asked what right to return to Israel? Will typically claim that, god gave the land to them!..Is that the very god such atheist Jews also claim does Not Exist?!

    I Nominate Henry Ford Sr. the famous auto maker guy, for some great huge award for the title of his book in 1920’s called. “The International Jew, The World’s Foremost Problem”. Indeed Yes!

  221. Rich says:
    @sabasarge

    Geez, I wasn’t trying to start a fight with you. If you have new evidence that Ashkenazi aren’t actually of Italian origin I’d be happy to see it. You’re a very angry fellow, but I guess it’s always everyone else’s fault, right?

  222. L.K says:
    @FB

    You actually do not like Gilad Atzmon, Fart Blossom, because he is an Israeli Jew who tells a lot of truths about unsavory aspects of Jewish behavior/history & that just simply really creams your corn.

    Just like you get hysterical when you spotted a Kevin MacDonald article around here… oh no, one must not discuss Jewish power and influence.

    Ron Unz concludes 9-11 was probably the work of Israeli intel, you get pretty agitated as well…

    You are so fuc*ing pathetic you even trolled under a Giraldi piece, simply because he has demonstrated, time and again, that the Zionist network is largely responsible for Zamerica’s wars in the middle East.

    You are so obvious.

    Only other thing that seems to piss you off nearly as much is to say bad things about your hero Stalin and to realize that WW2 “history” is nothing if not much tired old propaganda by the victors, including the ‘great patriotic war’ and, most ridiculous of all, the holohoax.

  223. L.K says:
    @bluto1

    Though the Zionists engaged in open battles against British troops their principle method of operation was terrorism, first in Palestine, later to include England and, as we shall see, elsewhere. The militant group Irgun Zva’i Le’ummi began operations in 1931. An even more violent offshoot, Lehi (Lohamei Herut Yisrael), better known as the Stern Gang after its founder Avraham Stern, split from the Irgun in 1940.

    Good post, Bluto.

    Every time a Zionist scumbag, such as this Yonatan Stern, talks of Muslim ‘terrorism’, it just makes me laugh, these people have no shame.

    Who knows, maybe this Yonatan dude is related to Avtraham Stern of the terrorist Stern gang.

  224. Art says:
    @sabasarge

    Funny thing is that history’s greatest empires have tried to eradicate us, yet here we are, and they are nowhere to be found.
    Live with it……or not. Make no difference to us.

    Somewhere on the internet there is a list of the 109 times that Jews have been thrown out of countries.

    One can be confident that each time that happened some Jew was shooting off his mouth just like you are doing right now.

    There are 100 ‘s of millions people in the ME who have suffered harm at the hands of you Jews. Payback is a bitch. You might want to tone it down.

    Think Peace — Do No Harm — Art

  225. Art says:
    @FKA Max

    FKA Max,

    Thanks for digging up this important info about the Oxycontin, Sackler Jew family. They are so guilty. They have greatly harmed. They have had a hand in 70,000 American deaths last year.

    Their greed just overwhelmed all rational thinking. Clearly there is something amiss with those Jews. They lack empathy for their fellow humans. Is it genetic or nurture – does it make a difference?

    It is totally amazing that the Sackler name is not on the breath of every American. It clearly shows the collective power of the Jews over our culture.

    Think Peace — Do No Harm — Art

    • Replies: @anon
  226. EugeneGur says:
    @Rich

    It’s probably just me, but……….you sound as “cosmopolitan urbanite” in West talking down to “deplorables”.

    You see, that’s where the difference lies: back in the Soviet times it’d never occur to any of us to think in such terms as “deplorables”. I still can’t.

    Yes….you were/are smart, probably a bit lucky, and got it well then and there.
    Plenty of people didn’t.

    You are right: I did OK, and many resourceful people survived the 1990s OK as well. I am not talking about me personally – I personally have few grievances if any.

    I don’t know about you but I don’t want to see old people rummaging through garbage cans looking for something to eat. I don’t want young people dumbing themselves with drugs or dying from an overdose or in a gunfight. The Soviet society had problems but they were manageable and managed. What happened in 1990s was a complete disintegration of the social fabric, and to present this as some sort of achievement, a progress is crime.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  227. EugeneGur says:
    @Rich

    you actually arguing that the Soviet Union wasn’t a repressive police state before it fell?

    I know it wasn’t. There were restrictions, yes, but it was a far cry from a ‘repressive police state”. Alongside restrictions, there were also mechanisms ensuring protection and a voice for the people. You just have to bear in mind how little you know about the Soviet society – very little, indeed, and most of what you think you know is untrue.

    why did the Soviet Union collapse and why did millions flee as soon as the doors were opened?

    I am going to surprise peterAUS here and not use “the default answer of hard core Commies”. This is a complicated question, and I’ll only say that the Soviet Union did not collapse but was destroyed by the combined efforts of the Soviet and Western elites.

    As to the people leaving, they did so for a variety of reasons including ethnic (Jews, Germans), but a huge exodus happened after the Soviet Union was no more precisely because it was no more. So, the people weren’t escaping the Soviet system but the blessed capitalism that supplanted it.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  228. peterAUS says:
    @EugeneGur

    Uhm…..sctually………………………it was me, not the “Rich” (handle).

    You see, that’s where the difference lies: back in the Soviet times it’d never occur to any of us to think in such terms as “deplorables”. I still can’t.

    I believe you. Not so sure about people you define as “us”.
    DEFINITELY quite sure for a lot of that layer of society in Communist countries.

    Tell us……….what did those think about peasants? I know they parroted nice words about workers (for, ahm, obvious reasons). And, words are cheap.

    Would you, perhaps, know how many of intelligentsia offspring were encouraged to become workers?
    Actually, save some historical interest, doesn’t matter. We won’t see repetition of all that in foreseeable future.
    Some variation of it we are and will, definitely. We can see similar with these “cosmopolitan urbanites” as we speak. Eternal I guess. “All animals are equal….” and such.

    I don’t know about you but I don’t want to see old people rummaging through garbage cans looking for something to eat. I don’t want young people dumbing themselves with drugs or dying from an overdose or in a gunfight. The Soviet society had problems but they were manageable and managed. What happened in 1990s was a complete disintegration of the social fabric, and to present this as some sort of achievement, a progress is crime.

    Agree, especially with the last sentence.
    On a sidenote, dying in a gunfight….well….I guess depends on a couple of things, but, sometimes, I feel, that’s the best death a man can have. I know….I know……

    The thing is, the current regime in Kremlin hasn’t been doing much to address the quote above.
    Actually………NO government I am aware of, anywhere on this planet is.
    “All animals…..” thing, probably.

  229. anon[405] • Disclaimer says:
    @Art

    Thanks for digging up this important info about the Oxycontin, Sackler Jew family. They are so guilty. They have greatly harmed. They have had a hand in 70,000 American deaths last year.

    the (((media))) would like you to get worked up over 11 jews in Pittsburgh instead

  230. peterAUS says:
    @EugeneGur

    I know it wasn’t. There were restrictions, yes, but it was a far cry from a ‘repressive police state”. Alongside restrictions, there were also mechanisms ensuring protection and a voice for the people.

    Auh……….
    “Restrictions”?!
    Nice word.

    ..This is a complicated question, and I’ll only say that the Soviet Union did not collapse but was destroyed by the combined efforts of the Soviet and Western elites.

    I see.

    ….but a huge exodus happened after the Soviet Union was no more precisely because it was no more. So, the people weren’t escaping the Soviet system but the blessed capitalism that supplanted it.

    I see.
    Well, at least we got “huge exodus”. Or, we got noticeable influx of Russian speaking immigrants. Still coming……

    Anyway…..

  231. @anonymous

    Agree. It was a good article for which I thank Messrs. Atzmon and Stern. But their glib acceptance of the MSM-sponsored libel that the Charlottesville marchers chanted “Jews will not replace us” rather than the clearly audible “You will not replace us” does make me question the independence of their faculties. After all, I’m pretty sure that Israelis don’t want to be replaced in Israel either, so they really have fellow travelers in the Charlottesville marchers, not enemies.

    I don’t know what “You will not replace us” in Hebrew is, but I would like to. Most of the dissident right see common cause in Israel.

  232. anonymous[739] • Disclaimer says:
    @Durruti

    Yeah, except real Arab semites never want to stay in their 100% Arab Muslim countries once they are “Freed” of European/European Jewish colonial rule.

    When French Algeria was turned over to Arab Muslim majority Misrule – first all the White Pied Noir French were ethnically cleansed, expelled or killed, Arabs that cooperated with the French suffered the same then…

    Guess F#*$&# what?

    The Arab Muslim Algerians aren’t happy in 100% Arab Semite Muslim Algeria – they want to go where life is much better to….

    FRANCE

    Where do all the Syrian Arab Muslim refugees and North African unemployed Arab young men plus all the low IQ, inbred Afghan/Paksitani Mountain Muslims want to go?

    Certainly not other poor, violent Muslim countries – they all want to go to:

    Germany
    Sweden
    England
    Canada

    So there goes your great theory.

    Palestinian Arabs will never be consent to stay in a Palestinian Arab state – they want to go to Europe, US get blond girlfriends, porn stars, do what the Jews do – corrupt our women, destroy our civilization.

    • Replies: @Miggle
  233. @Durruti

    We American Patriots, we will host all, in our Restored American Republic.

    typical of jew, presumes to give away your country

    you don’t speak for anyone, much less “American Patriots”

  234. Miggle says:
    @Durruti

    Thanks, Durruti. Well put. I’ve noticed in a couple of books cases of German Jews with blond hair and blue eyes.

    In ancient Palestine the Jews were Semites. But post-Alexander most Jews were outside Palestine, converts, not Semites.

    There are now enormous DNA pseudo-research programs, huge, highly coordinated, Jewish geneticists, Jewish research grants, huge, that make the discoveries they are required to make. One found, as required, that the Ashkenazi Jews do not have Khazar ancestry.

    The squeal of “anti-Semitism” in reference to Judeophobia is dishonest. Also racist. But they succeed in portraying any criticism of Jews as racism, when there’s no such race.

    A point that’s struck me is that “Ashkenazi” itself was an original disclaimer of being Semites, made by converts. It refers to Ashkenaz, grandson of Noah’s son Japheth, Genesis 10:3. Somewhere in Jeremiah the land of Ashkenaz is located in the Black Sea, Crimea region, where later the Khazars were. But a new generation of rabbis about 1100 located it in the region of the Franks and Allemani, the Rhine valley, indicating that converts in that region were told by the rabbis that they were not Shem, they were Ashkenaz.

    • Replies: @Miggle
  235. Miggle says:
    @anonymous

    I don’t believe that. The Jews want to force them out of Palestine but they hang on. When the 1-state solution is realized it’s not they who will abandon Palestine. Already the emigration of European Jews seems to be accelerating, but I don’t think the Palestinians are going anywhere.

  236. Miggle says:
    @Miggle

    I mean, of course, that the results of that DNA research are of zero credibility. Deception is the most fundamental characteristic of … you know who. The recent article here by Alison Weir on systematic fraud as a major aspect of the Israel economy, money obtained by fraud kept by the state as an important source of revenue, is a case in point.

  237. Fred says:

    You respect Zionism, then you endorse Zionist supremacy everywhere which is their goal. Because they have been so successful exploiting and encouraging every weakness in Western civilization for their own advancement, those in their exclusive tribe who decry their methods, simply provide politically-correct window dressing to make the entire tribe appear more respectable, while their Nazi-like henchmen and exploiters carry on and do the dirty work unabated. Have and open mind and review the actual evidence on 9/11 and then the coverup and you will understand what a prisoner of evil your nation is. The spread of Islam is a huge problem as is the spread of cultural Marxism, moral relativism, globalism, communism, fascism, and Zionism. All of these creeds have one thing in common and that is to their followers – the ends justify the means – to advance their ends, and they have no qualms about killing anyone outside of their cults who get in their way.

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