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The Corona crisis has exposed our political and media establishments as dysfunctional and possibly dangerous. If the West was, until recently, associated with scientific, analytical, rational and methodical thinking, then not much is left of that Athenian reasoning. Like houses of cards, most of our Western democracies have succumbed to populist decision making that is, by its nature, deeply unscientific.

When I enrolled in university 35 years ago, scepticism and critical thinking were regarded as precious Western values. This approach has been discarded: skeptics are reduced into public enemies. They are scorned by the media and often smeared by their professional colleagues.

No one, I guess, doubts that the world is facing a hazardous health crisis, yet so many questions regarding the nature of this crisis, its origin, the virus at its centre and possible solutions are brushed aside in a manner reminiscent of historical clerical witch hunts rather than treated with the kind of reasoning that should be ingrained in us by Western Liberal traditions.

So far, only a few brave medical scholars and experts have dared to question the general trend. Off Guardian produced a good summary of the arguments advanced by some of the scientists who are unimpressed by the current official narrative and the strategies applied by our so-called elected politicians:

German specialist in microbiology, Dr Sucharit Bhakdi confirms that the Corona death rate is not a new phenomenon. “We are afraid that 1 million infections with the new virus will lead to 30 deaths per day over the next 100 days. But we do not realise that 20, 30, 40 or 100 patients positive for normal coronaviruses are already dying every day.”

German physician Dr Wolfgang Wodarg is not convinced that Corona is as dangerous as we have been told. He maintains that we should be asking questions like, “How did you find out this virus was dangerous?”, “How was it before?”, “Didn’t we have the same thing last year?”, “Is it even something new?”

Dr John Ioannidis is a Professor of Medicine, of Health Research and Policy and of Biomedical Data Science, at Stanford University School of Medicine. Ioannidis posits that the cause of the current panic may have something to do with the new diagnosis of Covid 19 rather than with the general symptoms of the virus which aren’t new to us. “If we had not known about a new virus out there, and had not checked individuals with PCR tests, the number of total deaths due to “influenza-like illness” would not seem unusual this year. At most, we might have casually noted that flu this season seems to be a bit worse than average.”

The Israeli doctor, Yoram Lass, a public health specialist, informs us that “Italy is known for its enormous morbidity in respiratory problems, more than three times any other European country…”

To this minority group of scientifically thinking medical experts we should add Dr Siddhartha Mukherjee, a Pulitzer prize winning author, who wrote a spectacular extended article for the New Yorker yesterday.

Mukherjee offers a different perspective on Covid 19 and its dangers. He explains that the impact of viruses is often influenced by the dosage of the virus a patient is subjected to. Mukherjee writes “three questions deserve particular attention, because their answers could change the way we isolate, treat, and manage patients. First, what can we learn about the “dose-response curve” for the initial infection—that is, can we quantify the increase in the risk of infection as people are exposed to higher doses of the virus? Second, is there a relationship between that initial “dose” of virus and the severity of the disease—that is, does more exposure result in graver illness? And, third, are there quantitative measures of how the virus behaves in infected patients (e.g., the peak of your body’s viral load, the patterns of its rise and fall) that predict the severity of their illness and how infectious they are to others?”

Mukherjee notes that in the current crisis, “most epidemiologists, given the paucity of data, have been forced to model the spread of the new coronavirus as if it were a binary phenomenon: individuals are either exposed or unexposed, infected or uninfected, symptomatic patients or asymptomatic carriers.” Mukherjee argues that viruses’ effects aren’t necessarily an on/off phenomenon. For instance, he compares Covid 19 to HIV. “People with a high set point [virus dose] tended to progress more rapidly to aids; people with a low set point frequently proved to be “slow progressors.” The viral load—a continuum, not a binary value—helped predict the nature, course, and transmissibility of the disease.” In many viral infection cases the more virus you shed, the more likely you are to infect others.”

The Russian immunologist Ilya Metchnikoff, working in the early nineteen-hundreds, described the phenomenon as “the struggle”—or Kampf, in German editions of his work. Metchnikoff imagined an ongoing battle between microbe and immunity. The Kampf was a matter of ground gained or lost. What was the total “force” of the microbial presence? What host factors—genetics, prior exposure, baseline immune competence—were limiting the microbial invasion? And then: was the initial equilibrium tipped toward the virus, or toward the host?

Mukherjee points out that in “a 2004 study of the coronavirus that causes sars, a cousin of the one that causes covid 19, a team from Hong Kong found that a higher initial load of virus—measured in the nasopharynx, the cavity in the deep part of your throat above your palate—was correlated with a more severe respiratory illness.”

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This helps to explain the greater risks faced by front line health care personnel who are exposed to high dosages of Covid 19 on a daily basis and it also helps to explain why the hospital may be the most dangerous place to be. Those who have already developed symptoms who then enter emergency medical centres may well be exposed to even more serious or even fatal outcomes from the high dose of Covid19 and the many other diseases they can be exposed to.

This realisation adds to our understanding of the current tragedy in Northern Italy and Spain. It may even be that, as a general rule, the less you trust your public health system, the better your chances to survive Corona and other viruses. In Britain, for instance, the Government advised people who develop symptoms to self isolate and not to contact the NHS unless the respiratory situation seems to get out of control.

At a time of crisis and particularly at a time of a crisis of such magnitude, an open scientific debate of the Athenian Agora nature that includes the exchanges with qualified skeptics and critics provide the only light at the end of the tunnel.

(Republished from Gilad Atzmon by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. hetro says:

    Additionally, what bothers me is the blanket generalizing and attached hysteria all over the media, even those normally skeptical and to the left who are buying into the problem. Existence of the disease = automatic assumption we’re going to have millions dead in the next two months. In the US today there have been approximately 300 new deaths since yesterday. Of these who were they, what age groups, what pre-existing conditions–what are the specifics? Who is most in danger? Why? What differentiates those who have it but have survived and experienced it as a mild flu-like illness? How many of this type with a mild experience are there? How many died from some other form of flu, as with last year’s version? And, what programs are being implemented using the disease as a pretext; how are we being played (again)?

    • Replies: @Gilad Atzmon
    , @Realist
    , @ivan
  2. 1000 percent agreee. I think no more people are dying from this then any influenza virus in any given year. Mind boggling how hysteria is the real virus and how fast it has spread.

  3. Fine and well, but better safe than sorry. In lieu of your not being a microbiologist, or having access to even a modicum of reliable information, common sense dictates that one should take all the precautions one can.

    • Agree: Bardon Kaldian
    • Replies: @hetro
    , @Kratoklastes
    , @Kim
    , @Astraea
  4. @hetro

    The panic and hysteria are reasonable considering the information inflicted on us, yet, what is left out of our Western ethos of rationality and scientific thinking?..not a lot! This indeed bothers me …

    • Replies: @hetro
  5. Add one more element that may have been mentioned in the several Unz articles, but I haven’t seem it.

    This element, that EMF, electromagnetic fields generated by cellphones, may interfere with the body’s ability to fight viruses.

    Dr. Martin Pall has been researching EMF for at least seven years. He produced a landmark study on the topic in 2013 and links low reproductive success in males as well as certain neurological problems to increasingly present and increasingly powerful electromagnetic radiation. Pall has spoken on numerous occasions; this video is from Jan. 2020:

    In this 2015 talk at University of Melbourne, “The truth about mobile phone and wireless radiation: what we know, what we need to find out, and what you can do now”
    Dr Devra Davis, Visiting Professor of Medicine at the Hebrew University Hadassah Medical School, and Visiting Professor of Medicine at Ondokuz Mayis University, Turkey.

    Davis began by guiding the audience to the fine print on their cellphones: the Legal Disclosures. My phone gathers this information under a heading, “Research Results to Date: Is there a connection between RF and certain health problems?”. The fine print tries to say No, but the finer fine print says, well, maybe under these conditions . . .

    Two or three days ago USA Today published a story,
    Here’s why 5G and coronavirus are not connected
    Bob O’Donnell Special for USA TODAY March 21, 2020 UPDATED March 24, 2020
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/columnist/2020/03/21/did-5-g-cause-coronavirus-covid-19-pandemic/2873731001/

    FOSTER CITY, Calif.

    . . .[T]here’s one thing you can permanently take off your concern list: 5G has no causal connection to COVID-19, contrary to several recent misguided online rumors.

    In fact, according to a seven-year-long scientific study (https://www.icnirp.org/en/activities/news/news-article/rf-guidelines-2020-published.html ] published just this month, 5G has no detrimental health effects in general.

    The first thing that set my spider senses tingling was the Foster City dateline: I don’t know how large Foster City is; I do know it is home to Gilead Sciences, that has been and remains heavily invested in promoting homosexual activity with the promise that a Gilead drug can prevent AIDs.

    I spent the last 3 hours crash-coursing on Dr. Pall’s and Dr. Davis’s research and warnings. I think they should be taken seriously.

    If the representative of the medical community that C Span hosted to speak about Coronavirus from a “serious” but “objective” even avuncular perspective is any indication, the virologists-epidemiologists are not aware of the, or a, link between electromagnetic fields as generated by 4G and 5G networks, and the possibility of DNA destruction and “interference with viral immune responses.” On this morning’s [Mar 27 2020] C-Span Washington Journal, Dr. William Schaffner of Vanderbilt University reinforced the overall narrative and behavioral prescriptions about dealing with coronavirus.
    In the course of his interview, Bruce from Dearborn, MI called:
    https://www.c-span.org/video/?470680-3/washington-journal-dr-william-schaffner-discusses-latest-developments-coronavirus-pandemic&playEvent&start=2869

    @ 47.30 Bruce, from Dearborn Hts., Michigan:
    “I worked in radiation physics many years ago. Are you familiar with the work of Dr. Martin Pall, the professor from Washington University.

    William Schaffner M.D.: “I am sorry, I don’t know Martin Pall’s work. 00:48:14

    Bruce: “Martin Pall has found a lot of information; for instance, the Epstein-Barr virus can be activated by like 15 hertz, and extremely low-frequencey. Oxygen can be activated at 60 giga hertz and interferes with oxygen absorption, and that is being used in China with the 5G and was rolled out shortly before this disease.

    “The point is, a lot of the symptoms of the flu can also be from radiation, 5G especially, which goes from six gigahertz to 300 gigahertz.

    “I am just wondering if you have researched that. Because a lot of us are concerned [that] in general, the densification of radiation that we are seeing with 5G is going to make a lot of people sick and will also interfere with the body’s ability to fight viruses and may actually activate viruses which are within vaccines.

    So, could you comment on that?

    William Schaffner M.D. “My comment is going to be very limited. There is vast literature on influence and growing literature on coronovirus. I have seen nothing over the years that relates radiation to the spread of these viruses. I don’t know about that.”

    I think we all deserve–no, we need and demand to know these things.

    Perhaps we need more distance from our phones than from of friends.

    • Agree: Meimou
  6. Good question. We know that viruses are ever present yet we are not all constantly sick. Obviously there is some factor we need to understand concerning the amount of exposure and health of immune system before we can be precise. Meanwhile, isolate.

    What happened to the discussion of masks here in America? Their being manufactured here? Trump invoking executive war powers to force manufacturers to supply our people with masks?

    He spoke of this as the greatest engagement of public spiritedness since WW2. Well, why isn’t he commandeering some industry as both Lincoln and Roosevelt did? If this is war then he should act like a wartime president and order manufacturing to get moving. If they refuse, then jail them. If they resist, then shoot them.

    Teach these free-market b*stards that their private fiefdoms are secondary to that of the King’s, who is the living embodiment of the people and guardian of their well-being. Shoot one or two of them and the rest will fall into line. At bottom, motivated solely by mercantile, money-grubbing interests and having neither manly nobility nor martial virtues, they’re spineless.

  7. hetro says:
    @obwandiyag

    I assume the “your” in your “in lieu of your not being a microbiologist” means “one’s” or applies to the ordinary person who is not a scientist? In which case, as you say, the information is continually changing and confusing, even from the supposed experts. Further, in taking precautions I suppose all reasonable people agree with this. The question then becomes to what extent draconian should these precautions be? Again, vs. generalizations, what are the specifics of a common sense response?

  8. hetro says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    Irony aside, of course the panic and hysteria no matter what the information are NOT reasonable. Meanwhile, I’m having trouble understanding Mukhurjee’s point. Could you explain a little further–and thank you for this post!

  9. @obwandiyag

    common sense dictates that one should take all the precautions one can

    This depends critically on the premise you carry around regarding public officials – specifically, whether anything they say can be trusted.

    Anyone who has paid the smallest amount of attention to public officials over the last century or so, will have noticed that they
    • are often wrong;
    • make declarative pronouncements before solid data is available;
    • employ ‘safe hands’ to perform analyses designed to support their argument.

    So what they say ought not be trusted at face value. For most mouth-breathers, their brain is like a whiteboard rather than a palimpsest; past government failures somehow fail to leave any trace impression on people’s minds. The default is ‘trust’: the proles simply don’t learn.

    Also… if government pronouncements were wrong ‘randomly’, then we would expect at least some poor decisions that were social-welfare enhancing; that increased liberty by accident; that improved outcomes just by chance.

    However that’s not what we see: when they’re wrong, it’s invariably in a direction that is bad for humanity; directly hostile to individual rights; and deleterious to the stated desired outcomes. When they are wrong, people die in large numbers.

    Some examples:

    Prohibition (of alcohol);
    Prohibition II (of recreational drugs – excluding alcohol and tobacco);
    Fluoridation (notionally to prevent caries in children – which it doesn’t do[1]);
    Dietary advice (the ‘Food Pyramid’ derived from the 1977 Dietary Guidelines);
    Various wars (on Poverty; Drugs[1]; Terrrrism);
    Medicalising mental illness (psychotropic cocktails for children);
    Various bits of clinical advice (e.g., ‘asymptomatic males over 50 should take a daily statin‘);
    ‘Three Strikes’ laws;
    TARP and other bailouts (and financial management generally).

    At one stage I had identified a list of 50 major policies whose claimed objective was some alleged matter of urgent public concern, where the outcomes were all in the same direction: bad for the proles, good for those who live at the proles’ expense. It’s somewhere in my notes; I should dig it out and update it.

    If a government official (including Anthony “AIDS will kill large numbers of heterosexuals” Fauci) starts bleating that we’re all going to die unless we do exactly as we’re told, historical data indicates that it’s most likely to be bullshit.

    And worse: the side effects of the proposed ‘fix’ will be at least an order of magnitude worse than the problem. (e.g.: if economic activity falls by 10% this quarter, there is a good chance that suicides will spike by 3 or 4 percent: another 2000 people – average age and health – will die, which amounts to the same loss of quality-adjusted years as 160,000 covid19 victims)

    Notes.
    [1] The claimed reduction in dental caries in kids under 7, is a side-effect of endocrine disruption caused by fluoride: this makes kids’ teeth erupt 8-16 months later, which givens them less time to decay by the time the kid is 7.

    Meanwhile, for adults who drink the same water, fluoride ‘crowds out’ iodine in the thyroid – leading to under-production of thyroid hormones T3 and T4, which are essential for metabolism regulation. Given that industrially-produced food (including fresh produce) is already iodine-deficient, the overwhelmng majority of western adults are already iodine-deficient to an extent that compromises thyroid function: giving them doses of fluoride where the dose depends on their thirst rather than any biological need, makes this worse.

    [2] The War on Drugs must be seen as a completely separate thing from the prohibition of recreational drugs; it has very different effects – militarisation of police and the rise of the incarceration industry being the main ones.

    It is entirely possible to ban a thing, without it leading to a high-school underperformer in a Stormtrooper costume kicking your door in and shooting your pets.

    • Agree: Prajna, Meimou, Mark G.
    • Thanks: NoseytheDuke
  10. Anonymous[278] • Disclaimer says:

    Like houses of cards, most of our Western democracies have succumbed to populist decision making that is, by its nature, deeply unscientific.

    That’s certainly not true.

    – At first, Western decision-makers were sitting on their thumbs.

    – Then people started dying so they consulted epidemiologists and finally instituted some measures to fight the pandemic. You see it as a deeply unscientific populism but it was actually scientific populism – a. k. a. their job.

    – Now some of them are consulting their owners and deciding to roll the dice with COVID-19 because the “markets” are hurting too much. At the same time, we’re seeing a marked increase in “dissident”, “scientific” voices who promote this gamble, suddenly getting a lot of mentions across the Web.

  11. Thank you Gilad. Excellent article, as always. Since you are fellow Brit under house arrest, you may be interested in the following:

    1. Public Health England (and the other national health bodies of the UK) downgraded Covid-19 just last week. It is no longer considered to be a High Consequence Infectious Disease (HCID). This is stated on an official government website!

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid

    2. The lead author of the Imperial College study that sparked off this panic, the one who forecast 2.2 million deaths in the US absent an eighteen month lockdown, has now changed his mind, and he told this to a committee of the Westminster parliament just last Wednesday (a day or so into the insane lockdown). Instead of half a million deaths in the UK, we can now expect 20,000. If you don’t like this media site, please note that it links to the New Scientist.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/epidemiologist-behind-highly-cited-coronavirus-model-admits-he-was-wrong-drastically-revises-model/

    3. The official data of excess deaths around Europe, derived from official sources in European nations, shows that there are excess deaths for Week 12 of 2020 in just one European country – Italy – and if you play around with the map you can find weeks in other years (data shown is for 2017-20) where the excess death rate is far higher than this week! The media is reporting huge outbreaks and high death tolls in Spain, and France too, but this is not reflected here.

    http://www.euromomo.eu/slices/map_2017_2020.html

  12. @hetro

    Basically, the Covid 19 tests are binary, you are either a carrier or not. Mukhurjee’s point is that viral infection is most commonly a subject to quantity/velocity. The level of viral dose would define your state of illness.. So instead of a binary realm we are actually talking about a continuum. You can be exposed to covid 19 and be mildly affected, yet a high dose can knock you down. This suggests that our front line medical workers are in serious danger at the moment but the same also applies to everyone who visits hospital currently.

  13. @hetro

    Calling normal evolved behavior not reasonable, is the problem, the believe our farts don’t smell and there should be no lupis in the human.

  14. In Germany for instance there are dozens of professors in the area of epidemology, specialists in virus, on tropical diseases, microbilogists and so on. They are not naive and they know what are the right questions and the questions for which we may eventually find an answer. In don’t think that they ignore or reject important questions only because they are not skeptics. This would mean simply that they are incompetent. I suspect that some of the questions mentioned in the article may either not be very relevant or answerable at this moment.

    I also think that the suggestion that people don’t go to hospitals has to do with the fact that there aren’t places for everybody who is sick. Italy and France have been sending some patients to Germany, some to other parts of the country which still have some capacity to assist them.

    Fact is that the virus reproduces itself in the lungs of the patient, that it spreads and the person cannot breath anymore. In such situations, hospitals either try to give some medicament which helps your immunological system or they put the patient in a machine that helps him to breath. This is a last measure. It may help the patient overcome the disease. Patients who aren’t able to breath have to go to a hospital in order to have a chance of surviving. This is not necessary if the disease doesn’t affect a person so strongly. Why should people be sent to a hospital if going to the hospital would kill them and if it were safer to stay home? I think that in Spain people have died in their homes without any medical assistance. The Guardian told about the case of a woman whom the doctors refused to take to a hospital and she died in her home.

  15. hetro says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    Thank you. I should have been more specific with my question, but you have answered exactly what I wanted clarifying. Let’s see if I’m getting it properly.

    The continuum suggests a wide range of responses to the virus, with say at the low end of “the dose” possibly milder effects as with common cold, rising from there in a middle range to “flu” most are experienced with, and at the high end very deadly, with people in this sector likely to have pre-existing conditions partnering with the disease, hence the most vulnerable.

    Do we have any idea what percentages fit into the various designations along the continuum?

    (Some days ago I read that 80% of the dead had life-threatening pre-existing conditions anyway.)

    So far, instead of viewing the virus as this sort of continuum and variation, we have had a “one size fits all” type of case–if you get it you’re dead, and anyone within six feet of you will get it and be dead too. Many people apparently have accepted this view, and consider skepticism out of line and dismissed it with a “better to be cautious” the attitude.

    However, according to this expert’s view we should be analysing as to identify how many of the currently reported are at various stages of the continuum from mild to deadly?

    Plus, the common sense response should be: If you have it, get tested as to the virulence of “the dose”; then isolate/hospitalize if necessary for the appropriate period?

    This would challenge the draconian lock-down of the entire society as a common sense way to go.

  16. Anonymous[155] • Disclaimer says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    “but the same applies to anyone who visits a hospital currently.”

    It’s been said that you are a very good jazz saxophonist.

    I have a serious decision to make: Should I keep the appointment with my oncologist at the hospital center, or not?

    Who would a “scientific, analytical, methodical, . . . Athenian reasoning” person rely upon in making that decision, a jazz saxophonist from England or the on-site physician?

    • Replies: @Gilad Atzmon
    , @fenestol
  17. Prajna says: • Website
    @Kratoklastes

    Deserves to be an article on its own. Well said.

  18. @Fran Taubman

    If the Coronavirus has balls, it should stand up to being in excess of the normal mortality rate. What is the total mortality rate for any day the Corona-rate is announced? Never heard any announcements, yet our administrations compile year averages of overall mortality rates based on the day to day real numbers. Say today a hundred and thirty people died overall. Say today thirty people are announced as having died of Coronavirus causes. And the average day mortality could be supposed to be around hundred and twenty, based on recent years numbers. That would make for ten excess deaths to be attributed to Corona. Yet thirty are declared.

    So has this Coronavirus some benign effect? Pushing down all other causes of death for the day by 20? Immortality is near!

    • Agree: Fran Taubman, UK
  19. utu says:

    Sleight of hand false argument:

    “We are afraid that 1 million infections with the new virus will lead to 30 deaths per day over the next 100 days. But we do not realise that 20, 30, 40 or 100 patients positive for normal coronaviruses are already dying every day.”

    No, we are afraid that over next 100 days the number of deaths will be increasing exponentially: 30 deaths, 35 death, 48 death, 60 death,… 200,…, 600,….1000,…

    In hot spots like NY we see the fast exponential growth of deaths with the doubling period of about 2 days:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8160603/New-York-state-coronavirus-death-toll-soars-519.html

  20. @Fran Taubman

    Tagline for the movie “Contagion”, “Nothing spreads faster than fear”.
    The keyword is “Nothing”.

  21. @PetrOldSack

    What was the death toll in previous years of influenza? Compare it is not that different.

    • Replies: @A123
  22. lloyd says: • Website

    My wife awaiting a C V test result got herself into a state despite no fever nor cough and only feeling “heavy”. She was sent to hospital for the night simply to quieten her. She is mainland Chinese where hospitals are a sanctuary for bad nerves and mild ailments. How much of this is happening in Western hospitals historically over loaded? The British Prime Minister, Health Secretary and chief health officer, not to speak of the Prince of Wales in Britain all now in isolation, really just for sniffles. It is becoming a Gilbertian comedy of manners.

  23. Athenian skeptics don’t grasp modern virology or Epidemiology given that few in the Classics ever ventured over to Biology & Chemistry. Scientific thinking involves assessment of the pathogen to determine genotype & phenotype and baseline measures of incidence as well as prevalence of the disease in the population.

    As Tertiary Care Medicine evidences complete shutdown due to capacity of Intensive Care Units & bed availability all over the western world I’m sure the Skeptics & Ancients will have much to discuss that is of little relevance.

    RW

    • Replies: @Digital Samizdat
  24. A123 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    We are still early in the season for WUHAN-19, so this head-to-head comparison is a bit unfair. However, it does illustrate the unwarranted histrionics of the Fake Stream Media [FSM]. (1)

    Likewise in the U.S. You still can’t see the bar for COVID-19, but it is there: 994 deaths so far, per the CDC, compared with 61,000 caused by the flu virus just two years ago. The Wuhan virus might equal or even exceed that total, but it is hard to forecast that at this point. And anyway, the 2017-18 flu deaths barely merited a news story, let alone a radical, economy-destroying shutdown. What has changed?

    The fact that the FSM is detached from science and physical reality is not surprising. The media outlets purged everyone with STEM skills to protect faith-based Global Cooling/Warming/Change theology.

    The fear & panic created by FSM propaganda is very real and simultaneously anti-scientific. Federal, State, and Local government needs to have a coordinated effort to contain irrationality. But, how? There is no objective standard or method for containing a diffuse psychology.

    Quarantining ‘blue state’ Globalist brainwash victims until they display common sense, would be highly entertaining. Alas, it is impractical. At some point bogus WUHAN-gate extremism will become so unbelievable it will have to be abandoned. It will join Russia-gate on the giant pile of lies told by the FSM.

    PEACE 😷
    _______

    (1) https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/03/covid-19-deaths-so-far-where-is-the-crisis.php

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  25. Catdomnj says:
    @lloyd

    Isolation for sniffles or because they’ve actually tested positive for Corona?

    • Replies: @lloyd
  26. lloyd says: • Website

    I haven’t heard reports of tribes people, gypsies and homeless been stricken by it. So what do they have in common? They are charateristically out in the open air, in casual contact and don’t use Internet nor cellphones. They are people left behind in the twentieth century.

  27. @A123

    Yeah thanks for the chart. It is still mind boggling that no scientist has spoken about the numbers.
    Do you think this is a dry run thru for a climate change drama? If they can shut down the US, on a phony virus death crises, where 80 % of the people tested will never have symptoms, and the other 15% will need hospital care and the deaths to not exceed regular flu numbers what else can they do.
    It is staggering.
    I realize that many people will get a serious pneumonia and need a ventilator, but field hospitals can be set up for the over flow.
    What next?

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  28. lloyd says: • Website
    @Catdomnj

    The Prime Minister and Health Secretary tested positive. The Chief Health Officer not yet diagnosed but shows early symptoms. As I said just sniffles.

  29. George says:

    Sucharit Bhakdi: intersting videos in German with English subtitles.
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgjxQLDkeoa-uJu4sE0eNrg

    Just how bad is pollution in Italy?
    https://www.worldnomads.com/travel-safety/europe/italy/pollution-other-health-hazards-in-italy

    Supposedly Serbia is worse. Italy might have the worst combination of elderly, lifelong smoking, smog, maybe other stuff.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  30. @Fran Taubman

    Is the Shelter Island ferry running both ways?

    I stay in close contact with several Amish communities (there are Mennonites — close cousins of Amish, in my family).
    5 Reasons The Amish Are “Not As Spooked” About Coronavirus
    https://amishamerica.com/5-reasons-amish-not-as-spooked-about-coronavirus/

    They are not disturbed by the CV and will probably not suffer from it; they rely on home remedies that have stood the test of time, and they’re already isolated from most likely carriers of that which plagues Americans; namely, media.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  31. CamFree says:

    The scientiifc thinkers are the nut cases on the lunatic fringe – those crazy Covid-denialist conspiracy theorist’s going around saying, “it’s just the flu” and questioning the wisdom of locking down the entire world on account of the discovery of some glorified bug. And the irrational hysterics are those established experts and state-sanctined authorities “in the know” – as they hype up the fear, manipulate the facts and muzzle dissent to reinforce the new social consensual reality.

  32. @SolontoCroesus

    Are you worried about me SC? The Shelter Island ferry is a state highway 114, it runs from Sag Harbor to the North Ferry to Orient Point where you can catch a really long ferry to New London.
    It is a thorough fare. It runs rain or shine through hurricanes etc (which is not fun) and for emergencies.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  33. Kim says:
    @obwandiyag

    “take all the precautions one can” at any cost whatever?

    One has to be sensible. Weigh costs and benefits. We don’t have to run around like our hair is on fire.

    The facts are that relatively few people are dying and that 99% of those who have died were already very old and sick.

    It really is insanity. People are such credulous sheep.

  34. @Anonymous

    To start with, calling me a good jazz saxophonist is not exactly an insult. I won’t advise you whether to visit your oncologist or not but I would tell you that this question demands close attention and you better think about it carefully and examine every possible alternative …. good luck with it…

  35. @Kratoklastes

    OK. Go wandering around and look for sick people to breathe on you. Sheesh. You didn’t even understand what I wrote.

  36. I don’t see anybody being hysterical. Maybe a little crabby. But there were plenty people walking around in the sunshine saying Hi to each other today. What is all this hysteria about this supposed hysteria that doesn’t exist.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  37. LondonBob says:
    @George

    Italy looks like a real outlier yet we are treating Italy as if it were the benchmark.

    • Agree: Hibernian
  38. Tsigantes says:

    As an authentic and mean hearted Greek Athenian skeptic bored stiff with corona I’m watching the financial and military movements instead, but many thanks Gilad….excellent as ever!

  39. @lloyd

    Boris and Charles belong in a hospital anyway.

  40. @Fran Taubman

    I’ve been worried about you for a long time Fran.

    • LOL: Fran Taubman
  41. Anon[230] • Disclaimer says:

    The Corona crisis has exposed our political and media establishments as dysfunctional and possibly dangerous.

    Add establishment scientific community to the above dysfunctional and dangerous list and then I agree.

    • Agree: nickels
  42. @obwandiyag

    Media and politicians have been nothing but hysterical ever since this event was launched.

  43. Realist says:
    @hetro

    This country was once great because, there was a relative few with intelligence and ingenuity to guide and support innovation…and a large number of people to work hard and believe in our country. Those days are gone…nothing is forever.

    • Replies: @hetro
  44. Bill H says:

    The only way to know how infectious the virus is would be to test an entire population. Of the very few places that has been done, the highest infection rate that has been found was on a cruise ship, and it was 20% of the ship’s population. Only 30 or so of those required hospitalization.

    And yet the governor of California claims that he has information leading him to believe that 50% of the population of California will become infected.

    We are not only not listening to scientists, we are ignoring empirical evidence.

    • Agree: Tsar Nicholas
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @hetro
  45. @NoseytheDuke

    Given:

    — US Congress unanimous vote to indebt Americans to tune of $2 trillion, for starters;

    — fact that Mnuchin controls doling out $500billion, in close collaboration with Fed;

    https://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2020/03/congress-passes-a-money-virus-bill-while-britain-downgrades-covid-19.html

    The Senate bill which was passed by the House has 852 pages and is now available with a larger typeface [1].

    The Big Enchilada, $500 billion, is in section 4003 for “eligible businesses, States, and municipalities”. A “mid-sized business” has between 500 and 10,000 employees, and the funds received by the business and associated with the Not-Federal Reserve Bank (the Fed) are to be used to retain at least 90 percent of the workforce, at full compensation and benefits, until 30 September 2020 (section 4003(c)(3)(D)). The Secretary of the Treasury, Steven Mnuchin; his designee (section 4002(9)); and the board of directors of the Fed will decide in their discretion who gets a loan and on what terms under section 4003, within a few conditions and limitations in the new law. A sum of money routed to the Not-Federal Reserve Bank, and then from it to regular commercial banks, can create a much greater dollar amount for loans, through the magic of fractional reserve banking. To what extent the Fed will also create money out of thin air to contribute to providing “liquidity” to the financial system is not clear from the text.

    — that Gantz unexpectedly decided to ally with Bibi;

    Coalition Out of Crisis: Why Gantz Threw in with Netanyahu
    Jonathan S. Tobin
    National ReviewMarch 27, 2020, 4:28 PM EDT
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/coalition-crisis-why-gantz-threw-202834096.html
    (read the comments: #1 = celebrating death of Rachel Corrie)

    Surely Gantz doesn’t expect any of that $500billion to be converted into shekels. Surely.

    — that Israel is tracking Covid-19 via cellphones — and same can be done everywhere;

    David Goldman — “Spengler” — gave this speech in McLean, VA almost 3 years ago

    I’ve come to disagree w/ Gilad’s hypothesis: Covid-19 is the essence of “Athenian logic and reason”
    The hysteria was carefully planned
    The 800 page bailout package has been on the shelf for who knows how long

    The whole damn scam was planned and gamed, not unlikely Israel’s Robert John Aumann- inspired Federmann Center for the Study of Rationality played a major role
    http://www.ratio.huji.ac.il/About_us

    • Thanks: NoseytheDuke
    • Replies: @Digital Samizdat
  46. Astraea says:
    @obwandiyag

    I am afraid that this is designed for much more frightening plans. The World Econmy is being destroyed by this insanity. Obviously you will think me crazy, but to me it looks like a very sinister plan in which China, America and Britain and France and perhaps even Russia and the rest (definitely Germany will be part of it and France and Italy!) to take over the entire world economy and establish World Communism – or The New World Order – and the “Chabad Lubavitch” will control us all. And, remember that they have guillotines ready to behead all who “worship idols” !
    They consider Jesus Christ an idol – and then there are all the Hindu “idols” and The Lord Buddha an “idol”.
    It seems that only Jews will be allowed to survive – unless you worship Jews! Or what they say is God! THEIR God – whom they call “Yahweh.”
    It is all very strange and insane but they are strange anad insane.

  47. Anonymous[253] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bill H

    Of the very few places that has been done, the highest infection rate that has been found was on a cruise ship, and it was 20% of the ship’s population.

    I don’t know the details but someone mentioned recently that the cruise ship example only lasted 6 weeks. If that’s the case, one infected person (?) turned into hundreds (?) despite all the efforts to curb the epidemic in the last four weeks. That’s a fairly large R0 ratio which contradicts your conclusion.

  48. @Gilad Atzmon

    “Basically, the Covid 19 tests are binary,”

    Which test do you mean? The PCR test?

    “Quantitative PCR is an oxymoron. PCR is intended to identify substances qualitatively, but by its very nature is unsuited for estimating numbers. Although there is a common misimpression that the viral-load tests actually count the number of viruses in the blood, these tests cannot detect free, infectious viruses at all; they can only detect proteins that are believed, in some cases wrongly, to be unique to HIV.” -Dr. Kary Banks Mullis, inventor of the PCR test.

    • Replies: @Gilad Atzmon
  49. @NoseytheDuke

    True. It even appears to me that politicians and the media are the only things spreading this “pandemic”.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  50. hetro says:
    @Bill H

    The governor actually said 56% and followed up with a “don’t worry” sort of message: “The majority will not be affected.”

    • Replies: @Wielgus
  51. fenestol says:
    @Anonymous

    You should keep the appointment… with your undertaker.

  52. OT

    Outrage has erupted among Jews over Italian painter Giovanni Gasparro’s latest work depicting the ritual Talmudic murder of young Simonino di Trento in the 15th century:

    https://www.algemeiner.com/2020/03/27/protests-greet-repulsive-painting-by-italian-catholic-artist-depicting-antisemitic-blood-libel/

    (Little Simonino was later beatified by the Church, though never officially canonized.)

    Many have called for Gasparro’s painting to be yanked from Facebook, though for the moment it’s still visible there:

    https://www.facebook.com/pg/giovannigasparroart/photos/?tab=album&album_id=10157326111533299&ref=page_internal

    In his book The Wandering Who? (2011), Atzmon discussed Israeli historian Ariel Toaff’s investigation and (partial) confirmation of the incident.

  53. I am puzzled. I have seen no signs of hysteria, unless buy toilet paper in an hysterical enterprise. In Mexico, where I live, people seem normal, though there is much wearingof masks by employees of stores and suchlike.

    Doubters make interesting points, yet…are the reports of trucks carrying large numbers of dead in Italy, of refrigerated trucks being used in New York to supplement morgues normal? Perhaps so. I am no authority. While the media and politicians promote the sensational, do we really believe that the great majority of epidemiologists, scientists all, are knowingly promoting a scare that threatens to cripple economies? Maybe so, but I would expect most scientists to think scientifically. Are the reports os shortages of ventilators false? Perhaps Why did the Chinese respond so drastically to what appears to be little more than normal flu? While theories that governments invented the scare to gain dictatorial powerss such a shortage of Haldol, that policy is being made on the basis of poor information r ring ture. Most confusing.

  54. libertate says:
    @Kratoklastes

    However that’s not what we see: when they’re wrong, it’s invariably in a direction that is bad for humanity; directly hostile to individual rights; and deleterious to the stated desired outcomes. When they are wrong, people die in large numbers.

    Just so.

    The stated objectives of most, if not all, legislation is propaganda to mislead the ever-credulous tax cattle.

    You are likely aware of this, but Robert Higgs’ article The Myth of “Failed” Policies is excellent:

    https://mises.org/library/myth-failed-policies

    Everything the State says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen.

    ~ Friedrich Nietzsche

  55. A123 says:
    @Frederick V. Reed

    I am puzzled …
    While the media and politicians promote the sensational, do we really believe that the great majority of epidemiologists, scientists all, are knowingly promoting a scare that threatens to cripple economies?

    The “Politically Correct” elite 1% media and DNC Globalist politicians are anti-science. The ability to give or deny research grants gives Globalist politicians huge power to cull and purge legitimate scientists. The surviving grant recipients are those willing to return the preordained results.

    The Globalist media then steps in to complete the cycle of “++GoodSpeak”. Compliant grant recipients are selected to ensure that “TrueSpeak” science is never given the opportunity to challenge Globalist theology.

    George Orwell/Leni Riefenstahl openly predicted/explained the propaganda tools that the DNC Elite Globalists have adopted to suppress the truth.

    PEACE 😷

  56. Johan says:

    “If the West was, until recently, associated with scientific, analytical, rational and methodical thinking, then not much is left of that Athenian reasoning. ”

    In fact, analytical, rational and methodical thinking (lower kind of step by step and materialist thinking) is the source of the problem. This leads to technocracy and the current hysteria. Modern man is not Greek Athenian man, who had wisdom and was a wholesome man, very different from the sensuous animal with reason, torn between the two, employing his reason in service of his sensuous being, empowered by too much science and tech which is modern Faustian man.

    • Agree: Fuerchtegott
    • Replies: @Fuerchtegott
  57. @Frederick V. Reed

    I am puzzled by your puzzlement. Stocking up on toilet paper in Mexico, of all places, would seem to be as prudent as remembering not to breathe underwater.

    I am no authority.

    Finally, something from Fred we can trust.

    Why did the Chinese respond so drastically to what appears to be little more than normal flu?

    The Chinese, being an intelligent people, understand that the US is waging an undeclared war against them and feared that things had progressed from propaganda and economic to major bio-warfare so they responded appropriately it seems.

    Most confusing.

    Your confusion has been evident from reading your articles for quite some time now so I stopped reading them. Have a nice day.

    • LOL: Will
  58. George says:
    @Frederick V. Reed

    “Doubters make interesting points, yet…are the reports of trucks carrying large numbers of dead in Italy,”

    The argument for the lockdown is not the small number of deaths but the growth rate coupled with the claim that hospital ventilator machines are a kind of choke point.

    Here are some back of the envelope calcs that imply so far the death numbers are not unusual.

    The CIA says estimates that there will be 10.7 x 62,402,659 /1000 = 667,708 in 2020 using I assume pre corona data.
    62,402,659 (July 2020 est.)
    10.7 deaths/1,000 population (2020 est.)
    https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/it.html

    To date in Italy it is claimed 10,000 Covid deaths and probably more like 5000 when the trucks claim was made. So maybe covid resulted at that point in 1% extra deaths.

    There was no need to bring in the military to move a few extra corpses except maybe the lockdown or hysteria meant they could not hire properly refrigerated trucks.

    LiveLeak is not considered reliable but this post shows the trucks and claims 30 trucks carried 70 coffins.
    https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=9daF8_1584588554

    NYC has so far had 517 total covid deaths. The refrigerated trucks might be in preparation for what is to predicted to come, but they have not been filled.

    https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/imm/covid-19-daily-data-summary-deaths.pdf

    Back to the real issues growth rate, the doubling time of the death rate is said to be about 3 days, which implies a huge number. 30 days would be 10 doublings or about 1000 times. So in a month NYC should see 517×1000=517,000 deaths.

  59. hetro says:
    @Realist

    For me, it’s difficult to accept a transformation to the as said “sheeple,” versus the spirit I have personally witnessed, over many decades–as for one tiny example, exhibited by firefighters in New York on 9/11.

    • Agree: Realist
  60. @Twodees Partain

    In general we are counting numbers of carriers and a carrier is a binary notion, it is a yes/no situation…this is really the idea here …

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  61. @lloyd

    ‘… It is becoming a Gilbertian comedy of manners.’

    …a Gilbertian comedy of manners that may well knock us into a major depression.

    The last one didn’t end well. People are looking in the wrong direction. This year’s flu is not the problem any more.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @PetrOldSack
  62. Prajna says: • Website
    @Frederick V. Reed

    reports of trucks carrying large numbers of dead in Italy

    Italy has about 1000 hospitals. Deaths/day at maximum in Italy was approx 1,000, which by my calculations works out at roughly one death per hospital per day. So how are they filling these trucks? Do they start at one hospital, perhaps at one with a ‘spike’ of two or three corpses, and load em on one by one as they go round the rest?

    Even its worst affected city had 100 deaths per day. How many hospitals in that city? How many trucks did they need for disposal as opposed to propaganda?

  63. anonymous[261] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright

    This year’s flu is not the problem any more.

    Agree.

    The bail-out bill marks the goal of years of “six ways to Sunday” agitation, the penultimate Jew coup.

    • Agree: Digital Samizdat
  64. @Colin Wright

    Body counts are of zil importance. Assets, stocks, currency counting is the pet project in the shadows. We wish all, including Ron and utu to get better from tweaking the variables of the paralyzing fears mongering as to the surplus populations. One only needs to be smart once, be an insider, even on the fringes, and the banker logic of “exponential” makes all sense …on the dollar side.

    Old foxes, same tricks. Putin saw after a faze of prudence the potential politically. He hard-booted from nothing the train of “exponential danger to the surplus population”, he could be one of the major winners. So how can one not admire all these insiders, yet so few in number as compared to the possibilities of “exponential death counts”, to pick their grain of gold.

    The back-tracking is planned, and will be executed in formation, the surplus populations will even then absorb whatever is dished as Evangil and Koran shurahs. Watch out for the end-games, there is a lot of enjoyment to be had, the scenario is the best in the face of human history. This is Hollywood on steroids.

  65. @Robert White

    Scientific thinking involves assessment of the pathogen to determine genotype & phenotype and baseline measures of incidence as well as prevalence of the disease in the population.

    So what are you saying here, Robert? That the Italians and the Spaniards are uniquely, genetically susceptible to this virus in a way that, say, the Dutch and the Swedes aren’t?

    https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/939mez/the-netherlands-is-letting-a-lot-of-people-get-sick-to-try-to-beat-coronavirus

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-23/swedes-try-laissez-faire-model-in-controversial-virus-response

    Or are the Dutch and the Swedes just less susceptible to irrational panic?

    #CoronaHoax

  66. LondonBob says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    Surprised to see the US deploying hospital ships, in the Spanish Flu pandemic the authorities in Boston realised hospitals ships were killing patients and moved to housing the infected in open air tents. Viral load was lessened and mortality dropped.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  67. @SolontoCroesus

    Solonto, that makes a lot more sense than any theory coming from the MSM.

  68. @Anonymous

    I don’t know the details but someone mentioned recently that the cruise ship example only lasted 6 weeks. If that’s the case, one infected person (?) turned into hundreds (?) despite all the efforts to curb the epidemic in the last four weeks. That’s a fairly large R0 ratio which contradicts your conclusion.

    Well, what do you mean by “infected”? Do you mean merely carrying the virus? Or actually manifesting symptoms? While the MSM may be content to conflate them, those are two different categories. The overwhelming number of people infected with (i.e., carrying) COVID-19 will never actually get sick. Of those who do get sick, only a small percentage will actually need hospitalization. And of that latter category, only a small minority will die. In the case of he Diamond Princess cruise liner, a mere ten people died out of 3500 on the ship altogether. That’s less than a one-percent overall fatality rate! Even the common flu is deadlier than that.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  69. Hibernian says:
    @LondonBob

    Hospital ships are to be used to handle non-coronavirus cases to take some load off the hospitals so they can handle coronavirus cases. Not sure if the same is true of the land based temporary field hospitals at McCormack Place in Chicago and the Javits center in New York. In Chicago military medics and engineers, mostly if not entirely Guard and Reserve, are surveying recently closed hospitals for reactivation. These hospitals were old and crumbling, that’s why they were closed in the first place. It would seem the military field hospitals in tents would be a better option and possibly that option is being pursued concurrently.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    , @LondonBob
  70. @Johan

    Sadly that’s all wasted on Gilad.

    • Replies: @anon
  71. Hibernian says:
    @Hibernian

    Meant to say that the crumbling condition of the old hospitals was why they were closed in the first place.

  72. Anonymous[310] • Disclaimer says:
    @Digital Samizdat

    It’s literally stupid to believe that everyone on that ship got infected in 6 weeks despite the lockdown. I’m not using that word lightly.

    • Replies: @Digital Samizdat
  73. anon[261] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fuerchtegott

    Wotan was extremely smart technologically but had only one eye.

  74. LondonBob says:
    @Hibernian

    Cheers, that makes sense. You don’t really want to do what the Italians did, instead keep infectious patients away from every day patients as much as possible.

  75. @Anonymous

    Ever been on a cruise? I have. In the first case, cruise ship passengers skew older, so their immune systems tend to be weaker than those of the general population. Secondly, except for when you’re up on deck, you’re breathing the exact same recycled air as everybody else, since the typical ship has only one ventilation system. The rapid spread of infectious disease has been a known hazard on ships for a long, long time. That’s why on a modern cruise ship–just as on naval vessels–there are plenty of anti-germ dispenser hand-cleaning stations all around.

  76. jsinton says:

    The reason the virus made such a splash is because far more people died in Wuhan than China will admit to. It is not unusual for a country the size of China to have 100,000 ordinary flu deaths in a regular season. To impose such a draconian shutdown of an entire nation over a few thousand flu deaths would be completely illogical. They most certainly has a major disaster with people dropping like flies for the CCP slave masters to shut down the money machine like that. So there were plenty of reasons for the world to take notice and get paranoid. And probably the world could have reacted more forcefully early on.

    • Replies: @Chuck
    , @dogbumbreath
  77. hetro says:

    Today, from Sputnik News a generalized blast, with sensationalist coloring:

    The governor of New York has reported 7,195 new Coronavirus cases over the past day, with the total number of infected people reaching 59,513.

    Another 1,175 people have been hospitalized over the past day, increasing the total to more than 8,500 hospitalizations in the state, including more than 2,000 in intensive care, Andrew Cuomo said.

    This report does not include how many have died in New York in the past day. Russia Today indicates that number is 237.

    Further context:

    CDC announces (March 29) for the US overall: 122,653 cases; 2,112 deaths.

    ~~

    IMV particulars needed. We don’t want to make the problem worse than it already is, which is the essential reason for questioning/doubting lock-down thinking.

    Back to themes in this thread, some questions:

    *in New York how many in intensive care are/were in it for reasons additional to Covid-19?

    *if some of these have died can it be established Covid-19 is the main cause or did pre-existing/ supplementary conditions assist?

    *in what age group(s) are those in intensive care?

    *in what age groups are the 7,195 new cases of Coronavirus?

    *on a continuum from young to elderly what are the numbers?

    *do the elderly in this group also have pre-existing conditions that are dangerous?

    *of the 7,195 new cases over the past day how many are not as yet showing symptoms?

    *of the 7,195 showing symptoms how many are mild versus moderate versus severe symptoms?

    *prior to these new cases in what age groups are those of the 50,000+ previous cases?

    *have any in the group of prior cases been tested positive but not developed symptoms?

    *of those who also developed symptoms how many recovered?

    *what age groups were those who recovered?

    *of the 237 deaths in the past day in New York how many died of additional (other) causes while carrying a dose of the virus?

    *were any of the deaths suicides from related causes, including anxiety, homelessness?

    ~

    Additional welcomed.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  78. @PetrOldSack

    If the Coronavirus has balls, it should stand up to being in excess of the normal mortality rate. What is the total mortality rate for any day the Corona-rate is announced?

    Type “euromomo” into a search engine and you will find yourself a website (interactive map) with excess deaths in European countries for the past four years on a weekly basis.. You will be surprised at the lack of excess deaths for the latest week that data is available — week 12 of 2020 (w/e Friday 20th March).

    • Replies: @hetro
  79. @Gilad Atzmon

    But the numbers have to be based on test results, correct? I was asking if its a PCR test. If so, then the identification of a carrier is baseless since the test cannot identify an infectious virus at all, according to the inventor of the test.

  80. @hetro

    I suspect that NYC authorities are reporting any death as a coronavirus death, unless the departed was hit by a train and there were more than 12 witnesses.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  81. @Twodees Partain

    Interesting article on Veteran’s Today site (I don’t trust it but read it anyway) today claimed that a NYC health official briefing the media was a medical simulation specialist. Amazing (to me) how many people in NYC seemed to be improvising has mat suits and protective masks. I’ve seen very few people in Australia wearing masks and they were mostly Asians. I wonder if that is due to the OTT US media?

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  82. ivan says:
    @hetro

    For those of us who lived through the – we are all going to die hysteria of AIDS – hysteria in the 80s and 90s, this has deja vu written all over it.

  83. @NoseytheDuke

    I would tend to blame it on the media, with the main blame being co-assigned to the liars in office who are trying to push the ridiculous story. So far, they’ve managed to restrain themselves from staging scenes of dozens of body bags being tossed into trucks. They might not be able to hold off on that one much longer.

    With the department stores shut down, there would be plenty of mannequins available for stuffing the body bags. I’ve seen one actual person wearing a mask in public, where I live, though it was a dust mask. Maybe that’s all she could find on Amazon.

  84. hetro says:
    @Tsar Nicholas

    That is an interesting site. I wonder if we do not need additional reporting on mortality rates here in the US for all causes, as well as Covid-19.

    For example, on average there are 102 deaths per day in the US from auto accidents. 2000 children a year die from auto accidents.

    I would suppose that at times this flat average bulges up due to particular circumstances (as with mass crashing in fog or from people trapped in forest fires).

    I don’t recall news reports on these “doublings” or signs of excess with dark warnings that we’d better stop driving our cars, or manufacturers should get busy making cars that move at 20 mph max.

    Perhaps the analogy is ridiculous. It points a direction. 30-40,000 deaths by vehicles per year has not stopped a culture of faster cars, speeding, and deaths.

    We don’t have stats on how many are going homeless per day, particularly at this time of dire economic close-down; how many homeless are dying every day by whatever means including the virus; and including growing numbers of children estimated to be 150,000 in the US at this time.

    We don’t have stats pushed at us every day on how many people are dying of “normal” flu and pneumonia, how these are increasing or declining, etc.

    Or of suicides every day from whatever causes, including from news reports on Covid-19 and pronouncements of Fauci that hundreds of thousands are going to die soon. I mean why wait?

    I suggest we need an entire panoply of death stats so we can keep on top of all the panic-situations we need to get into from this point.

    (Sorry, couldn’t resist a little jab here and there in my comment.)

    • Agree: Wielgus
  85. White House Releases National Strategy for 5G Security

    https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2020/03/white-house-releases-national-strategy-5g-security/164164/

    The 7-page policy document sets forth the president’s “vision for America to lead the development, deployment, and management of secure and reliable 5G communications infrastructure worldwide, arm-in-arm with [its] closest partners and allies.”

    translation: the battle with Huawei rages; Israel is allowing Trump to announce that zionists are in charge

    The quietly-launched document outlines four distinct lines of effort that the bill called for it to include. They each briefly lay out the administration’s approaches and aims to: facilitate the domestic rollout of 5G; assess the risks and identify the core security principles of 5G infrastructure; assess the risks to United States economic and national security during development and deployment of 5G infrastructure worldwide, and promote responsible global development and deployment of 5G. 
    A senior administration official reiterated to Nextgov Wednesday that the publication fulfills one of the administration’s key obligations under the new bill and it is meant to complement the Secure and Trusted Communications Networks Act, which Trump also recently signed into law. Further, the official noted that the Secure 5G and Beyond Act also mandated the creation of an implementation plan, which they said will be “much more detailed,” than the initial publication.

  86. Wielgus says:
    @hetro

    There is something wrong with that statement but I am trying to figure out what it is…

    • Replies: @hetro
  87. hetro says:
    @Wielgus

    Just in case the irony is too obscure (including your own, W)–this statement occurred at the outset of the shutdown in California. The governor was amidst claiming the seriousness of the crisis, with his statement 56% of Californians would be infected, almost immediately followed by “But the majority of us will be okay.” (56% is a majority so you see the problem with the follow-up.)

    The contradiction here is not, I think, explained by “because the majority of those who get the dose will survive the infection.” Instead it’s a bollox of contradiction where he seems to want it both ways: be very very alarmed 56% (most of us) will get it (automatic death suggested), but don’t worry (most of us) won’t be affected. So it appears to be more double-talk.

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  88. Wielgus says:
    @hetro

    Yeah.
    The arithmetical ignorance is a bit startling in a mover and shaker.
    A sort of push-pull, panic-don’t panic is noticeable.

  89. Chuck says:
    @jsinton

    To impose such a draconian shutdown of an entire nation over a few thousand flu deaths would be completely illogical.

    The CCP has never acted illogically. Therefore, it must be serious.

  90. Keep yourself rested and investigate protocols likely to help. Here is mine—

    A Protocol for Pandemic Flu…especially for flus that target the lung almost immediately.

    At the FIRST sign of a sore throat, or chills or fever, or an itching in the eustachian tubes, apply 3% (food grade) Hydrogen Peroxide on a small ball of cotton and insert carefully into the ear canal and let it bubble and itch for a few minutes. Gargling with hydrogen peroxide is helpful as well, or even better take some hydrogen peroxide into your mouth and lean your head backward over the edge of your bed or over a yoga ball, letting the hydrogen peroxide sit in the back of your throat for a minute or so. Do this many times per day.

    Google Dr. Dan Lee Dimke, PH.D COVID 19 Hot Air Therapy (use the link as long as it remains available https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JSsd-TYqOA&feature=youtu.be) or watch my FaceBook video on the application of a heated stream of air from a hair dryer into the nasal passages, in so doing also warming the frontal sinuses and thereby deactivating heat-sensitive viruses. On a low heat setting and with the inlet covered partially with your hand direct a stream of hot air for five minutes toward your nose while inhaling deeply. Have a spray bottle with water in your other hand and spritz your face periodically to prevent any minor burns. Adjust the distance of the stream so that the air feels hot in your nostrils but use your best judgment. Corona viruses are destroyed at 133F. (Some have expressed concern about the possibility of drying out sinuses. Be careful!)

    A similar treatment based on the same principle is to allow extremely hot water to flow onto your face when showering, moving your face back and forth under the flow to allow the hot water to contact the skin over the area of your face where the fontal sinuses are located, which are on each side of the nose and above the eyebrows.

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    Also take 2-3 tablespoons of unrefined coconut oil with room-temperature orange juice at every meal, or as tolerated between meals. You can also add it to coffee or tea or take it straight without mixing it with anything.

    Add 8 cloves of garlic, chopped, to 7 cups of water, bring to a boil, then drink the boiled water with the garlic pieces.

    With the help of an herbalist experienced in the administration of traditional Chinese herbal formulas, consider the use of such formulations as: Yin Qiao (from Mayway), Gan Mao Ling (Mayway), Zhong Gan Ling (Mayway); Yin Qiao Jie Du Pian (from ActiveHerb), Chuan Xin Lian Kang Yan Pian (ActiveHerb), Zhong Gan Qing Pian (ActiveHerb), Qing Qi Hua Tan Pian (ActiveHerb), Chuan Xin Lian Kang Yan Pian (Active Herb), and others. It is important to consult with an herbalist in Chinese Traditional Medicine for the proper ratios and dosages. The use of these formulas and formulas similar to them is a complicated but rational art based on inductive synthesis and refined over the centuries. In the past several millennia China has experienced many hundreds of epidemics and the herbal knowledge acquired is priceless.

    If possible get five products from Standard Process: Immuplex, Congaplex, Thymex, Cataplex B, and Calcium Lactate. These all-natural supplements strengthen the immune system. Standard Process has been in existence for almost 100 years and their protocols represent the best of modern functional medicine.

    Squeeze some lemons and drink lemon juice with water. You can also add Buffered Vitamin C Powder from LifeExtension to the mix.

    For a natural vitamin B complex, take 1 heaping tablespoon of large flake nturitional yeast 3 times per day in a slurry of water or dilute juice.

    Daily sunshine is quite important also, especially in the winter months, as the precursors to natural Vitamin D (actually a hormone, not a vitamin) are made on the skin via interaction with sunlight and are a key step in promoting an adequate immune response. (Do not wash or shower after the sun exposure; leave the natural skin oil in place to be absorbed over time,) If you can’t get good sun exposure take vitamin D supplements and lots of them!

    Also—-Internally:

    600 mg a day = 3 times 6 drops of Oil of Oregano. For: Sore throat, food poisoning, flu, colds, cold sores, congestion, gastritis, candida, colitis, prostatitis, asthma, bronchitis, sinusitis, allergies, tooth ache, gum diseases and fatigue. Be sure to dilute the oil of oregano as it is a very harsh tasting medicinal.

    A light meal during any period of sickness is the basic Bieler Soup used very effectively by Dr. Henry Bieler, M.D., which detoxifies the body and flushes out poison, especially from the liver: green beans, celery, zucchini, parsley (a handful of each chopped up and boiled for ten minutes)—but do not add any salt. Eat the vegetables, drink the broth. This soup is mildly diuretic.

    When tired during the day, lie down and nap if possible.

    I have also found a particular form of melatonin, formulated by Dr. Walter Pierpaoli, M.D. to be very helpful, especially with any flus or cold having lung involvement. It is called Melatonin MZS, which contains zinc and selenium in small quantities to boost the immune system. Take 3 mg before bedtime. It can be purchased from amazon.com. Those under fifty should stop taking melatonin after the illness passes. Those over fifty can take it on a continuing basis, usually at a lower dose.

    Finally, Bill Sardi has some excellent suggestions at https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/03/no_author/the-coronavirus-is-not-causing-deaths-weak-immune-systems-are/

    Of course, if the flu progresses to fulminant pneumonia with a high fever, the lungs are assailed by bacteria and you will require antibiotics! Antibiotics will also prevent a viral pneumonia from turning into a bacterial pneumonia and can be used prophylactically with steroids but it is tricky and requires a physician who is quick on his or her feet and will actively follow your progress! At this stage of the disease, the virus is entrenched in the lower lung and a cocktail of Hydroxychloroquine (Plaquenil) + Zinc + Azithromycin is being reported as being successful (however, this is a protocol based on anecdotal reports but, as a last resort in seriously ill patients with pneumonia, it may have to be pursued!)
    For fellow herbalists in the tradition of Chinese herbal medicine, my master teacher, Dr. Lam Kong, proposes the use of the following formula for Clearing Lung Poison: huang qin 2 qian + jie geng 2 qian + qian hu 2 qian + xing ren 3 qian + gan cao 1 qian + zhe bei mu 3 qian + sang bai pi 3 qian + di gu pi 3 qian + gua lou ren 3 qian (chao and break seeds with mortar and pestle) + jin yin hua 3 qian + lian qiao 3 qian + jing jie 2 qian + fang feng 2 qian + if there is a fever: shi gao 10 qian (cook separately for ten minutes before adding other herbs) + bo he 1 qian (added at the end of the boiling period)

    • Thanks: NoseytheDuke
  91. eD says:

    A commentator on one of Steve Sailer’s blog posts (it was the one on how Canada is handling the health emergency; Sailer seems to be in one of his manic phases) posted a whole series of links in favor of the hoax hypothesis. Because there were a lot of links it is easy to overlook one of them, but this one I want to highlight.

    It is an open letter by Sucharit Bhakdi to German Chancellor Angela Merkel. I have not heard of Dr. Bhakdi before last month, but he appears to have strong credentials as a virologist, and based on the interviews I’ve seen of him is definitely a skeptic on this matter.

    Here is the link to the letter, cross posted on another blog, with a link on the blog to the original in German:

    https://www.anti-empire.com/german-infectologist-decimates-covid-doomsday-cult-in-open-letter-to-merkel/

    The key point in the letter is the second point, “Dangerous”, where Bhakdi points out that the International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents is about to release a study showing the COVID-19 was already circulating before the panic in western countries, and that it is not more dangerous than other viruses. In plain English, yes, its just the flu.

    I was a skeptic before, but that is enough for me to call it. It’s a hoax. What I can’t figure out is what the hoax is designed to accomplish.

    • Agree: Hippopotamusdrome, Hail
    • Thanks: SolontoCroesus
    • Replies: @Fuerchtegott
  92. @eD

    First mistake is the assumption Germany has had any meaningful lockdowns so far.
    Berlin is locked down, but not for very long, only a week.
    I can still run around without a mask freely.
    Last time I shopped groceries the only “hurdle” was being forced to use a shopping cart.
    Schools were closed really late compared to other countries.

    btw in the same state as Mainz is.

    And getting a video viral in Germany is so cheap …
    We’ve seen that before the EU votes when out of the blue Greta fan clubs appeared.

  93. One these things is not like the other . . . .

    Coronal virus is airborne and spread via tactile casual contact

    HIV for those who accept the the HIV schema is spread via intense breaking of the physical wall between air and vody — it has to be ingested in some way. That’s the classic understanding — So unlike social distancing, HIV has none of the casual similar contact consequence.

    Comparing transmission rates would be unhelpful in my view.

    I am not sure there is much evidence that this a hoax. The ability to predict what a casually transmitted virus will do, minus having a specific cure or comprehending how it works is really guess work

  94. @Anonymous

    If that’s the case, one infected person (?) turned into hundreds (?) despite all the efforts to curb the epidemic in the last four weeks. That’s a fairly large R0 ratio which contradicts your conclusion.

    These guys got an R0 of 11.2 [!] in the early days of the Diamond Princess quarantine, before the passengers were strictly confined to their cabins — decreasing to 0.35 later on, with most of the later transmission occurring within cabins or to crew members.

    But their model used a mean serial interval of 7.5 days, which is quite high relative to other estimates, so that initial R0 may well be overstated.

  95. @jsinton

    China acted in such a serious manner because they were dealing with an unknown US bio-weapon. You would do the same if someone delivered an unknown brown package to your door with the words “kaboom”. You would close the door, protect your family, and call the police. They in turn would seal off your property and the neighbouring blocks, evacuate everyone, have dogs, bomb squad etc and investigate the contents only to find an alarm clock that goes “coo coo” at noon. Is it really that hard to believe or do you just NOT want to believe? Remember, 3 buildings fell at free fall from 2 airplanes one September day not long ago.

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