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I launched my study into Jewishness two decades ago. It began as a result of my reaction to the relentless attacks on dissident Jewish thinkers who didn’t fit with the ‘revolutionary agenda’ of the so-called Jewish ‘anti Zionist’ Left. I quickly grasped that it was actually the Jewish Left, the radicals and progressives, who displayed the most problematic traits associated with Zionism and Jewish identitarianism.

I was perplexed: the same people who adhere to tribal politics and operate in racially segregated political cells preach universalism to others. I came to understand that nothing was transparent or obvious about Jewish culture and identitarianism, and that this was by design. I decided to untangle the Jewish enigma from a new perspective: instead of asking who or what Jews are, I asked what those who self-identify as Jews believe in, what precepts they adhere to. This question was the beginning of my struggle.

By the time I published The Wandering Who? (2011), I realised that those who identify as Jews can be divided into three non-exclusive categories. 1. Those who follow Torah and Mitzvoth. 2. Those who identify with their Jewish ancestry. 3. Those who identify politically as Jews. In The Wandering Who I argued that while the first and the second categories are innocent, the third category is always contaminated by biological determinism. The third category is, in fact, racist to the core. While Jews aren’t necessarily a race, Jewish politics are, too often, racially oriented. This applies to both Zionists and the so called ‘anti’ Zionists. In my work there is no real distinction between Jewish Zionists and their Jewish dissenters. I have found them to be equally racist.

There is more to draw from this categorical approach. It is apparent that not many self identified Jews fall exclusively into just one of the categories. Jewish identity is a multilayered construct. A West Bank settler, for instance, is usually a follower of Torah and Mitzvoth (cat’ 1), most often he/she speaks in the name of their Jewish ancestry and even claims lineage to Biblical figures (cat’ 2). And it goes without saying that a West Bank Jewish settler identifies and acts politically as a Jew (cat’ 3). Surprisingly, a JVP activist in Brooklyn isn’t all that different. He or she may not adhere to the Torah but likely identifies ethnically as a Jew (cat’ 2) and certainly acts politically as a Jew (cat’ 3).

In The Wandering Who I argued that If Zionism is a racist ideology, then Jewish anti Zionists are at least as guilty of the same crime. In fact, in the Israeli Knesset, the third biggest party is a Palestinian party. You do the goy count: try to figure out how many Palestinians or Gentiles are on JVP’s board or amongst the British Jewish Voice for Labour (that doesn’t even accept gentiles as equal members). Needless to mention, this observation didn’t make me overwhelmingly popular amongst Zionists and the so called ‘anti.’

On the day of the publication of The Wandering Who, hell broke loose. What started as a struggle to seek the truth or at least some understanding, evolved into a bloody war. Oddly, no one bothered to find a mistake in my work or pointed to where my argument was lacking. No one claimed that the facts I based my argument on were inaccurate. Both Zionists and ‘anti’ have deployed every trick in their Hasbara book to try and silence me. I was called a racist, an anti-Semite and a Nazi despite the fact that my entire work is anti racist and in defiance of the Jewish racial argument.

Since 2011 I have been subject to a cowardly smear campaign. But the war called upon me has actually helped me to refine my views on Jewish Identity Politics. I realised that Jewishness (yehudiyut) is a manifold of different forms of chosenness. Rabbinical Jews celebrate being God’s favorite children. Atheist Jews in practice, dumped the God who first chose them in order to validate their own superiority as godless people. Jewish Marxists are special for their belief in equality. Tikun Olam Jews believe that it is down to them to save the Goyim. After a few more years of this study I realised that Judaism is just one Jewish religion amongst many and it is not even the most popular Jewish religion.

The great Israeli philosopher Yeshayahu Leibowitz figured out in the 1970s that while Jews uphold many religions and beliefs, all Jews believe in the Holocaust. It was this observation by Leibowitz that planted the notion of the Holocaust religion. When I wrote Being in Time, I realised that practically every precept can become a Jewish religion as long as it sustains a lucid concept of ‘chosenness’, self-love or auto validation.

The French psychoanalyst Jacques Lacan revealed that the ‘unconscious is the discourse of the Other;’ the fear that one’s deepest secrets could be unveiled and make it into the public discourse. In Lacanian terms, the Jewish unconscious is the fear that the ‘Goyim Know.’ Their torment is that people ‘out there’ will start to converse about what has taken place in front of their eyes: whether it is AIPAC dominance of US foreign policy or the destruction of the Labour Party or the constant threat to world peace imposed by Israel and its Lobby.

Judging by their desperate attempts to silence me, I assume that I must be seen, at least in the eyes of my Jewish detractors, as a prime conduit for that ever expanding general awareness – after all I have been blowing the whistle for a while.

ORDER IT NOW

Jews do not like those who leave the tribe. Jesus paid a price, as did Uriel da Costa and Spinoza. For Jews, the former Jew, or ex-Jew, is a threat most likely because many Jews may feel insecure about the ethical ground of their core beliefs, culture and ideology. Enlightened Jewish progressives are probably clever enough to admit to themselves that being born into chosenness is a problematic racially supremacist concept. Honest Jews may have gathered that being chosen by a God you yourself invented to favour you over the rest of humanity is actually funny. Orthodox Jews understand that large parts of their core beliefs are inconsistent with the western universal humanist tradition. Many Zionists know that their claims to a historic right to a land they have never been in are ridiculous.

The Jewish strategy to handle their fears includes the suppression of elementary freedoms: Jewish Power as I define it, is the power to suppress criticism of Jewish power. I believe that it was I who coined the slogan, ‘We Are All Palestinians.’ In accordance with my definition of Jewish power, Palestinians are those who can’t even utter the name of their oppressor. While Israel calls itself the Jewish State and boasts about itself as Jewish, the Palestinians and their solidarity movement go out of their way to avoid the ‘J word.’ When British Jewish institutions including the chief rabbi and the British Jewish press called an open war on the British Labour and its leader no one in the Labour party dared utter the ‘J word’ except when asking for Jewish forgiveness. The condition of being Palestinian, of not being able to name one’s oppressor, is now a global symptom. This suppression of speech and thought has evolved into a tyranny of correctness.

By the time I wrote Being in Time I understood that my struggle has implications that far exceed my initial intellectual objectives. What we face as western subjects is a massive battle between Athens and Jerusalem, where Athens is the birthplace of Western thought and Jerusalem is the city of revelation. Athens teaches us how to think, Jerusalem demands our obedience.

The Western humanist values and intellectual assets we are now nostalgic for came from Athens: democracy, tolerance, freedom of speech, philosophy, Agora, science, ethics, poesis and the tragedy. Jerusalem gave us laws, mitzvoth, regimes of prescribed and proscribed behavior. Athens teaches us how to think ethically: in Jerusalem, ethics are replaced by the Ten Commandments; rules to obey. Jerusalem is not solely a ‘Jewish domain.’ The Jerusalemization of our universe is apparent in every corner of society: from pop culture, to the work place, to academia and beyond. It is the tyranny of correctness adopted by the new Left and it is at least as infectious within right identitarianism.

My struggle as I now understand it, has evolved into a metaphysical quest. I battle to reinstate Athens within my soul. If you want to make the West great again, my struggle is your struggle. Defy Jerusalem, say no to authoritarianism, embrace Athens in your heart: learn to speak your mind, tell the truth as you see it and bear the consequences.

(Republished from Gilad Atzmon by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Sean says:

    As with his more recent stuff, a very good article, but he should have been writing like this from the begining.

    • Replies: @Gilad Atzmon
  2. “Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.”
    ― George Orwell, 1984

    • Agree: Tom Welsh
    • Replies: @Gilad Atzmon
  3. @Sean

    I am not so sure that I understand your point..the ideas I explore in this piece are the ideas I have been pushing for the last 20 years …

    • Replies: @Jslade
    , @Wizard of Oz
  4. @Orest Slepokura

    Freedom is actually defined by a realm of free play that is defined by clear boundaries. The problem that we face nowadays is that the boundaries are becoming arbitrary or shall we say defined by sectarian sensitivities..

    • Replies: @Anon
  5. Emslander says:

    Your bipolar world leaves out the most important center of thought and Faith for our current situation, Rome.

    Surely you don’t think that either the Empire or the Church are irrelevant to your struggle.

    • Replies: @Gilad Atzmon
    , @Anonymous
    , @Anon
  6. Rational says:

    GILAD ATZMON—SPINOZA OF THE 21ST CENTURY.

    Great article, again, Mr. Atzmon. The Judaists are afraid of you because they are afraid their “I am a Jew” hoax will be exposed and Judaists will leave Judaism and Judaism will collapse and they will lose all money and power that goes with their scam.

    I have always considered anybody who claims to be “chosen” to be a kook. Why? Because, GITO (God, if there is one) would never do such a thing, “choose” one of his creation over all others.

    Secondly, if He did such a foolish thing, he would not be God. And if He did, He would have gone and told the rest of the world that he had chosen one group as his “chosen” people—over them.

    The Chinese, the Buddhists or the Hindus, etc. have no recorded history of God ever visiting them and telling them that he had chosen a small tribe in far away Jerusalem as his chosen people. In fact, if you tell them that Jews believe they are God’s “chosen” people, a devout Buddhist or Hindu or Confucian would be outraged at such blasphemy of his God.

    This logic alone proves that those who believe they are God’s chosen are mentally deranged.

    And they go around bragging about their alleged high IQ!! What a joke!

    • Agree: Kratoklastes, Alfred
    • Thanks: Rurik
    • Replies: @Irish Savant
    , @Bookish1
  7. Jake says:

    I do believe that this is the most important work I’ve read by Gilad Atzmon. It is that exceedingly rare article in which any summary is a waste of time because to do justice to the work your summary would need to quote half of it and then summarize and paraphrase the rest.

    My advice to you, Mr. Atzmon, is to take the leap and start attending Mass at an SSPX chapel. Do not even bother to try to find a Bishop-approved Traditional Latin Mass. Go right to the source of rejecting the Novus Ordo, the mass made Protestant-friendly and partially acceptable to Jews. Just attend Mass and let it flow over you.

    This is a spiritual war. And it is either Christ or Chaos, and as you seem to know, that Chaos always is ruled primarily by Jews and is for Jews. Athens by itself cannot win that spiritual war, because Satan is invested fully in the anti-Christ, anti-Christendom stance of Jews.

    • Agree: Gilad Atzmon, renfro
    • Replies: @Nonny Mouse
  8. Exile says:

    Gilad reminds me of my pre-red-pill self scratching my head at the irrational tribalism of non-libertarian humanity.

    As one of the few explicitly “anti-Tribal” Jews out there (possibly the only), Atzmon is in lonely and perplexing territory.

    You can be wrong about human nature vis a vis identity and still be right about toxic Jewish Chosenity. I’m on Gilad’s side in this fight, albeit for somewhat different reasons.

    Tribalism is innate and making it obsolete is a task on an evolutionary scale, not a political or social one.

    Non-tribal Start Trek Man has yet to walk the Earth and it’s doubtful he ever will.

    The only narratives that explain Clown World are those put forward by “anti-Semites” and those Jews discuss among themselves, both of which recognize race, tribe and ethnicity as permanent features of human nature, not bugs to be coded out. Being a race-realist has downsides but GA’s form of cognitive dissonance isn’t one of them.

    • Agree: John Regan
    • Replies: @Bert
    , @Kratoklastes
  9. @Emslander

    I’ll make it simple.. Leo Strauss believed that the history of western thought is a dialogue between Athens and Jerusalem, I actually believe that we are dealing with a vicious battle, and as things stand, we are currently in a deep jerusalemite phase ..in this battle I see myself as an Athenian freedom fighter, my weapon in my keyboard..

  10. Gilles says:

    Great article; provocative title!

    Thank you.

    • Agree: Gilad Atzmon, Bert
    • Replies: @Gilad Atzmon
  11. Well, I’ve got several unrelated responses. However, I’m probably allowed one post for the next forty minutes or so, so they’ll all go in one bundle.

    [MORE]

    First, one element in Jewish political activism that you seem to both embody and yet not notice is an almost compulsive rebelliousness. This particularly struck me when reading about radicalism in early twentieth century New York. The author himself didn’t seem to notice — but a wildly disproportionate number of his protagonists were these Galician Jews fresh out of the shetl — very often women. It’s as if the second the boot of the rabbis came off their neck, these people almost literally went nuts — starting strikes, setting bombs, and fomenting unrest and chaos in every way possible.

    And they haven’t let up since. You can reach an accord with a gentile activist, but can you ever appease a Jewish one? It’s a question.

    I’m pretty difficult myself, so I don’t mean this as hostile in any way — it’s just that I can’t help thinking this explains at least as much as some of your ideas.

    Second, and slightly related, is the thought that the persecution you encounter isn’t so much due to the content of your ideas as to your identity. I’ve yet to get around to reading him, but Kevin MacDonald’s books seem to be at least as critical of Jewish identity as yours — yet he attracts relatively little attention.

    In fact, you seem to fall into the same camp as less ambitious critics such as Norm Finkelstein. You are hounded not for what you say, but who you are. Enemies of the Tribe are one thing — traitors from within are another. Ironically, you are both accused of antisemitism and persecuted for being Jewish — and by the same people!

    Third, I’m skeptical of this division you pose between ‘Athens’ and ‘Jerusalem.’ Is there ever a stable state of free debate — or is it simply a matter of interregna between the imposition of new orthodoxies?

    To be sure, sometimes open argument is permitted for extended periods — but isn’t it always in very structured environments, when nothing of importance is actually at stake? After all, in your Athens, no one was proposing abolishing slavery, or emancipating women, or agreeing to worship Xerxes. If it matters, isn’t a new — and intolerant — orthodoxy swiftly imposed? We like to think we’re tolerant, intellectually emancipated beings. Actually, we always seek to suppress any serious dissent.

    We just pretend otherwise…not that the effort isn’t commendable.

    • Agree: Pheasant
  12. Bert says:
    @Exile

    “Non-tribal Start Trek Man has yet to walk the Earth and it’s doubtful he ever will.”
    Your brush is too broad. The ease with which Northern Europeans have accepted their own extinction suggests that they are the least tribally-oriented population on Earth.

    “Tribalism is innate and making it obsolete is a task on an evolutionary scale, not a political or social one. ”
    On an evolutionary scale, the current trajectory is for the extinction of the least tribal population, and that follows the evolutionary logic of competition between altruists and selfish actors. There is no way for tribalism to disappear via evolutionary processes.

    • Replies: @melpol
  13. Mr. Gilad Atzmon:

    Thank you very much for your struggle and witness. A clarifyng article.
    We say in Spanish: las palabras mueven, los ejemplos arrastran”.
    Thanks again.
    Ignacio

    • Agree: Gilad Atzmon
  14. melpol says:

    Most of the Brooklyn Jews I grew up with in the 60s never used the word god or Jew. They were smart and clever excelling in school and later on in business. The few Jews that were adopted by gentile families also followed suit. Jews are not gods chosen people but were chosen by selective breeding. Confusion about Jews and who they are are is caused by biblical extremists and has nothing to do with reality. Jews are selectively bred to be smart and clever, IQ has nothing to do with that fact.

  15. melpol says:
    @Bert

    Ashkenazim tribal breeds are the highest in the evolutionary scale of self-seekers. They are not altruistic but extremely independent, clever, and smart. Ashkenazim have no need for a high IQs, cleverness and smarts is what counts not irrelevant abstractions. Many Ashkenazim children were kidnaped by Mongolian tribesmen, years later they led the tribe. Its not loose morals but tight and smart mind controls that propel Ashkenazim to the top of the human pile.

  16. Truth3 says:
    @melpol

    Its not loose morals but tight and smart mind controls that propel Ashkenazim to the top of the human pile.

    Jews are at the top of a pile alright.

    A pile of shit that they themselves make.

    Gotta be a donkey in there somewhere…

  17. kikl says:

    “I was perplexed: the same people who adhere to tribal politics and operate in racially segregated political cells preach universalism to others. I came to understand that nothing was transparent or obvious about Jewish culture and identitarianism, and that this was by design. ”

    It took me around 20 years to realize that this is a problem.

    Thanks for the great work Gilad.

  18. @Colin Wright

    After all, in your Athens, no one was proposing abolishing slavery, or emancipating women, or agreeing to worship Xerxes.

    True about women and worshipping Xerxes (not sure why that would be on the list of things anyone should advocate) – abolishing slavery… not so much.

    There were people who advocated abolishing slavery in Ancient Greece (and ‘slave’ had a bunch of different layers of meaning, only some of which are directly relevant to what we think of).

    Imagine living in 4020 and trying to find out what people in 2020 though about Palestine (or Mao’s Great Leap Forward) if Likud (or the Chinese Communist Party) got a complete hold of Wikipedia next year, and then got hold over virtually all other sources of information for the next 1500 years.

    That’s where we are regarding the vast bulk of Athenian intellectual output.

    Nevertheless, since the dead talons of Christianity have been prised from the throat of scholarship, we have recovered quite a bit of stuff, which contains a few pointers about the existence of abolitionism among highly-regarded intellectuals.

    Aristotle (4th century BCE) refers to the existence of abolitionists in Politics 1.1253b:

    others [i.e., other thinkers] however maintain that for one man to be another man’s master is contrary to nature, because it is only convention that makes the one a slave and the other a freeman and there is no difference between them by nature, and that therefore it is unjust, for it is based on force.

    This is given support by a fragment from Alcidamas’ Messeniakos (‘On the Messenians’) mentioned in Aristotle, Rhetoric 1373b –

    ἐλευθέρους ἀφῆκε πάντας θεός: οὐδένα δοῦλον ἡ φύσις πεποίηκεν “God has left all men free; nature has made no man a slave

    Alcidamas was a pupil of, and successor to, Gorgias, who was a bit of a trollmeister. Neither of them were bit-players in Athenian philosophy: Gorgias is one of the most-important pre-Socratic philosophers (and the one who gave Sophism a bad name, because he thought mastery over rhetoric was more important than arete – seeking excellence – and he was a bit of a nihilist).

    To try to put it in the right part of the intellectual landscape of the time, Alcidamas saying something that strong about slavery being inherently unnatural, would be like Bernard-Henri Levy writing about the inherent wrongness of the Occupation of Palestine.

    .

    Even among those who weren’t outright abolitionists, there was an understanding that being a slave was largely a matter of chance, and therefore people should have a bit of a ‘golden rule’ approach to things (“How would I prefer to be treated if I was unlucky enough to be enslaved?”).

    Much later and despite being Roman (from Cordoba), Seneca was very heavily influenced by Cynic and Stoic philosophy (which is almost the ‘gold standard’ for what we think of as ‘Athenian’ nowadays). It’s highly likely that a good deal more Athenian literature existed in his day than exists in ours – Strabo and others show that the Library of Alexandria was largely intact – and growing – until the 3rd century CE.

    Seneca echoes the ‘there but for chance‘ in the 47th of his Letters to Lucilius (“On Master and Slave“) at 13:

    Kindly remember that he whom you call your slave sprang from the same stock, is smiled upon by the same skies, and on equal terms with yourself breathes, lives, and dies. It is just as possible for you to see in him a free-born man as for him to see in you a slave. As a result of the massacres in Marius’s day, many a man of distinguished birth, who was taking the first steps toward senatorial rank by service in the army, was humbled by fortune, one becoming a shepherd, another a caretaker of a country cottage. Despise, then, if you dare, those to whose estate you may at any time descend, even when you are despising them.

    The whole letter is worth a read.

    So for the only important thing on your list, in the minuscule corpus we have, there is at least one Ancient Bubble[1] among their acknowledged intellectual elite who was anti-slavery.

    Alcidamas was not just a pupil of Gorgias (like Isocrates – one of his main rivals), but the leader of the Sophists after Gorgias.

    [1] “Bubble”: from Bubble and Squeak, rhyming slang for ‘Greek’.

  19. @Exile

    Non-tribal Star[] Trek Man

    How is the Federation not ‘tribal‘? It’s basically the US Navy in coloured leotards, with a reduced propensity to kill the locals and steal their shit.

    Klingons (pre-’79) : Soviets with a touch of oriental. Brutal, expansionist and violent. Major threat to Federation (i.e., US) hegemony.

    Klingons (post-’79): Africans with tech. Brutal, violent, talk gibberish… shit at scheming. An annoyance rather than a threat, and can be relied upon to fuck up at key points, due to internecine betrayal.

    Vulcans: Germans – thinking machines that abrogated their will to power after a key self-inflicted society-wide trauma. (Vulcans are ideological vegetarians though, so maybe Swiss or Austrians).

    Romulans: Bad Vulcans as a cautionary tale that ‘logic’ can be used for bad (‘Things that oppose the US’) as well as good (‘Being a crew member on a USN ship’). Much sneakier (i.e., more intelligent) than Klingons.

    Ferengi: Ashkenazi Jews, very specifically, and very deliberately. Shimerman’s protestations to the contrary are terribly lame, and deliberately try to pretend that the physiognomy doesn’t exist.

    .

    All sci-fi requires tribality, because it’s a major source of the will to power, which in turn is a key source of dramatic tension. Non-tribal societies don’t invade and try to steal everyone’s shit.

    Also: not for nothin’ – if Earth was post-tribal in Star Trek time, the Earth component of the crew of the Enterprise would have been Berry-coloured (as in Halle Berry).

    As it was, the crew was a distinct set of races (Chink, Russkie, Negress, ‘Vulcan’) with all key positions being #FFFFFF and US-centric as fuck – white captain, head of Engineering, doctor, and head nurse: only one of them not explicitly a Yank.

    • Agree: niceland
  20. renfro says:
    @melpol

    Its not loose morals but tight and smart mind controls that propel Ashkenazim to the top of the human pile.

    Turds also rise to the top of cess pools…..but eventually they disintegrate because they are after all, nothing but shit.
    So it will be with Ashkenazim.

    • Replies: @melpol
  21. renfro says:

    Great article !….don’t worry about your enemies…there are more of us ants then there are of them.

    ”The fiercest serpents may be overcome by a swarm of ants.”
    …..Isoroku Yamamoto

    • Replies: @Gilad Atzmon
  22. @Kratoklastes

    I should have mentioned (regarding the status of women): there is some evidence, but none of it extant.

    Very few fragments survive of Zeno’s Republic – which was a wholesale repudiation of Plato’s work of the same name – however there is pretty good evidence that it idealised a society in which men and women lived together as equals.

    Lactantius (early 5th century CE) may have had access to a manuscript of Zeno’s Republic, but certainly would have been exposed to people who had (and to the writings of Stoics generally). He writes that Stoic philosophy held that women and slaves should be taught philosophy, there being no difference between their capacity for wisdom and that of free men. That’s pretty explosive, given that education in philosophy was fairly restricted (usually to wealthy citizens).

    It’s a fairly full-throated declaration of sexual equality, and it’s not an explicit rejection of slavery per se. It is, though, a rejection of inherent inequality and the Aristotelian notion of ‘natural slavery’ (Plato claimed that even Aristotle taught that enslaving Greeks was wrong).

    Also, it might be that Lactantius is playing things down so as not to spook the horses, because earlier writers make the ‘equality’ thing must more explicit.

    Plutarch (1st century BCE) almost certainly had access to a faithful manuscript of Zeno’s – and mentioned it, specifically

    Moreover, the much-admired Republic of Zeno, the founder of the Stoic sect, may be summed up in this one main principle: that all the inhabitants of this world of ours should not live differentiated by their respective rules of justice into separate cities and communities, but that we should consider all men to be of one community and one polity, and that we should have a common life and an order common to us all, even as a herd that feeds together and shares the pasturage of a common field.

    Lucian (2nd century CE) said much the same thing[1] –

    all the citizens are aliens and foreigners, not a native among them; they include numbers of barbarians, slaves, cripples, dwarfs, and poor; in fact any one is admitted; for their law does not associate the franchise with income, with shape, size, or beauty, with old or brilliant ancestry; these things are not considered at all; any one who would be a citizen needs only understanding, zeal for the right, energy, perseverance, fortitude and resolution in facing all the trials of the road; whoever proves his possession of these by persisting till he reaches the city is ipso facto a full citizen, regardless of his antecedents. Such distinctions as superior and inferior, noble and common, bond and free, simply do not exist there, even in name.

    If those quotes represent the central doctrine of Zeno’s Republic, then it is entirely inconsistent with slavery; if everyone has equal rights, there can be no slaves. Weird that they make no mention of women, although ‘men’ in Plutarch might be generic – and Lucian is always using ‘any one’ instead of ‘any man‘, which admits of the possibility that it includes women (and thus ‘he reaches the city’ remains a generic term).

    .

    Any how… Stoicism – proto-Communism, to be frank – was “much admired“, unless Plutarch was taking the piss (which would have been a bit Sophist of him).

    Bernie Sanders could re-brand himself as a Stoic, and he would not have to change any talking point (and they would still all be equally untrue).
    .

    It pisses me off slightly that Stoicism has been turned into a ‘thing’ now, because some US celebrities think it’s cool because Seneca once referred to “the stern and masculine doctrine of the Stoics“.

    Personally I’ve always been much more of a Cynic anyway: there is absolutely no refuting the idea that Diogenes rejected ὑπόταξις (ypotaxis – [forced] subjugation/subordination) and δεσποτεία (despoteía – slave-ownership[1]) as φαύλη (phaule – wretched, evil, base, immoral). Whether you enslave a man yourself, or you buy a slave, you commit evilperiod. (Diogenes was quite Laconic in style, from all reports)

    R.G. Ingersoll made plenty of reference to the Stoics’ and Cynics’ views on slavery in his talk “Why I am an Agnostic“.

    If Ingersoll and Paine were as revered as Hamilton and Washington, the US would be remediable. If people went further and took to heart the “Early Stoa” (Zeno etc) and Diogenes, there would be no palaces for politicians.

    Notes

    [1] I have a soft spot for Lucian, who passed us the exhortation to

    τὰ σῦκα σῦκα, τὴν σκάφην* δὲ σκάφην ὀνομάσων

    Call figs figs, and a tub* a tub” – call it as it is/like you see it.

    Plutarch’s “Μακεδόνας καὶ τὴν σκάφην σκάφην λέγοντας” “Macedonians call a tub a tub” was earlier, but it’s not clear that the Macedonians in question were being held up as something to emulate: they had just referred to Lasthenes and his mates as ‘traitors’, and Lasthenes tried to calm down his mob with the excuse that Macedonians were “rough and rustic”. Fuck him – fucking traitor KEK.

    *: σκάφην is tub, basin, trough (also even ‘skiff’). I think the ‘tub’ variant is more Cynic.

    [2] inb4 someone claims that δεσποτεία means anything other than slave-ownership in the relevant passage. It doesn’t mean ‘despotism’; it’s not a cognate of ‘despair’. The translation as ‘slave ownership’ is not up for grabs.

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
    , @Rollmop
  23. Tusk says:

    Can’t wait for the Main Stream Media to try and cancel Gilad by deliberately translating the title of this piece to German.

  24. PeterMX says:

    My Struggle would be a very interesting and controversial name for your next book Gilad, especially if you had it translated and published in German with the same title. I can only imagine the blowback. While I would relish with glee how you may have irritated them, it might not be nice for you.

    “I was perplexed: the same people who adhere to tribal politics and operate in racially segregated political cells preach universalism to others.” Many whites interested in preventing the further decline and destruction of their own peoples have noticed the same hypocrisy among Jews in general. They advocate for and have Israel internationally recognized as a Jewish state and these same Jews call whites “Nazis”. racists and anti-Semites when people advocate the same for European and other white countries. RAMZPAUL has a new video on that exact subject up right now.

    https://www.unz.com/video/ramzpaul_everyone-deserves-a-home/

    And when you mention Athens vs. Jerusalem, as I understand it, I wonder if this Jewish hypocrisy is unique to Palestinian issues or has this always been a part of Jewish behavior. This might help explain why Jews have not infrequently been accused of being “liars”. Josef Goebbels said it in a speech, just as the tide against Jewish power in Germany was being overcome and the Germans were taking control back over their press. I believe Minister Goebbels referred to “the lying Jewish press”. I suspect this accusation against Jews might have occurred regularly throughout history. The Spanish Inquisition comes to mind when Crypto Jews played a powerful role in Spain. Surprisingly, the pro Jewish propaganda website Wikipedia even has an article dedicated to Crypto-Judaism. Similarly, Guillaume Durocher has an article titled Hitler vs. the Untermenschen
    Myth & Reality attacking the constant and universally accepted accusation against National Socialist Germany of being consumed with racism. I began suspecting recently that attributing the term “master race” to the National Socialists and Germans was another example of Jewish hatred. Who talks like that? I remember my German mother using it once, probably in the 1970’s, after hearing it repeatedly in the [Jewish] mainstream media. Is this another example of Jewish hypocrisy and lying when the people that call themselves “The Chosen People” call Germans racists for supposedly referring to themselves as the “master race”. With 150,000 Jews and part Jews in the German military during WW II, I do not believe German gov’t policy toward Jews was based on race, but the belief that Jews were Germany’s most hostile and lethal enemy. I think a strong case could be made for that.

    Since hearing it once in a Greg Johnson speech on Martin Heidegger, I have often thought about what Johnson said Heidegger said at the beginning of the war, essentially that the side that was least inhibited in their policies and actions would win that war. I think many might say the Germans were that side, but I think the opposite is true and I ascribe this to the Jews role in forming the allies policies.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    , @Tsigantes
  25. Atzmon, whatever you may think of him, is at the very least an incredibly brave soul. It is a privilege to watch his intellectual and moral journey unfold.

    It is understandable that Atzmon focuses his fire on the jewish establishment (and their wannabe detractors, the “anti-Zionists”, who are every bit as tribal) given that these groups hold institutional power. Yet, I hope that he is not blind to those on the right who promote him not because they share his ideas but out of petty cynicism; a forlorn hope of trying to supplant one form of supremacism with another. Atzmon’s ideas are fundamentally humanist and must be understood in those terms.

    The highest praise I can think of is that he proves that one can transcend one’s circumstances of birth and reach a higher consciousness and moral existance through one’s own sheer willpower. That, I think, is the most optimistic yet truthful revealation of his work. And it should serve as an inspiration to anyone seeking to unshackle themselves from society’s oppressing norms and backward customs.

    • Thanks: Gilad Atzmon
    • Replies: @Nosquat Loquat
    , @Kali
  26. @Colin Wright

    Tx for your insightful thoughts Colin. I will be brief as I am touring and communicating via my phone.

    1. You are correct, my revolutionary spirit can be related to my origin and culture.. In fact my criticism of j ID politics is almost identical with early Zionists thinking. As such I may as well be the last Zionist.

    2. Kevin McDonald was subject to a vile smear campaign … he was so vilified that I, myself was afraid to read him after hearing all the nonsense attributed to him by both Zionists and ‘Anti’. I know Kevin pretty well now. his books were an astonishing breakthrough and he is also, a very nice and friendly human being.

    3. The dichotomy between Athens and Jerusalem is not mine. It appeared in the late 19th century in German philosophical circuits and was introduced to the English speaking world by Leo Strauss who argued that Western culture is a dialogue between the two.. I don’t agree. I believe that Western culture is Athens and it often interfered by Jeruslemite authoritarian attitudes (that aren’t necessarily Jewish) .. I see a war between Athens and Jerusalem and we are clearly at the midst of a jerusalemite hegemonic phase … however the distinction between Athens and Jerusalem is metaphysical rather than historian. As such your criticism is historically correct but philosophically wrong.. Athens in this model is where you learn how to think for yourself, Jerusalem teaches you what to think..I hope I clarified this common criticism …peace G

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @utu
  27. @Kratoklastes

    Hide caches of information then… Time capsules to protect parts of our oft clouded legacy of free will, or what those of the time interpreted it to be.

  28. Anonymous[104] • Disclaimer says:
    @Emslander

    Rome–I assume you mean the Church here, since the Empire wasn’t known for its innovations in philosophy–could be understood as an early attempt at reconciling Athens and Jerusalem, reason and faith. Not surprisingly, it was the Church which gave us thinkers such as Duns Scotus and Thomas Aquinas. You can decide for yourself how well this reconciliation worked, but I believe that was essence of Rome.

    • Replies: @Emslander
  29. @Kratoklastes

    Unfortunately, the term “slavery” is coloured by the highly racialist version practiced by the US until the conclusion to the War between the States.
    Roman slavery had little or no racialist ideology.
    Roman slavery was highly complex & stratified. Slaves were often paid & often manummited. Often they would buy their own freedom. Roman society had a formal catagory for freed slaves: they were called “freedmen” & wore special head gear (i think …) to communicate their status.
    Roman slavery ran the gamut from hell to “heaven”. You could be a slave in the mines or you could be an intelligent young Greek man who would literally sell himself into slavery knowing the potential future benefits.
    Many slaves were tortured, raped etc. Some were treated almost like family (see Cicero’s secretary).
    It should go without saying that slaves came in every colour & every racial group.

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
  30. @Gilad Atzmon

    in this battle I see myself as an Athenian freedom fighter, my weapon in my keyboard

    Gilad, at the risk of your consideration of this an aspersion cast (It is not, I assure you), have they ever tried to buy you out? A job with an out-sized salary, cars, homes, broads, some other privilege? Have you ever run across writers who were once with you then took the buyout? Well, journalism majors at major news outlets obviously ‘buy in’, but are there truth-tellers out there that were brought to heel?

    Another curiosity, do you ever pass through synagogues or is that verboten?

    Thanks for your work.

    • Replies: @Gilad Atzmon
  31. Emslander says:
    @Anonymous

    The Church and the Empire were much more than you give them credit for, but that’s another subject. My point is that the history of Western thought can’t be restricted to a bipolar infrastructure.

    If you dismiss modern philosophy as a lot of deck chairs being rearranged, as I do, then the Jerusalem pole is nearly irelevant. It can be ignored, unless you want to be a financier.

  32. melpol says:
    @renfro

    Ashkenazim have been around a thousand years many were top leaders. Bigots say their success is due only to loose morals. My morals are loose but I lack success. Loose morals is common, but great success is rare. Successful Jews had great talents, but some also had loose morals.

    • Replies: @Nonny Mouse
  33. @PeterMX

    Nazi’s meaning when they used the term “Master Race” would have been derived from Hegel, not some modern social theorist.

    For Hegel, the Master in any relationship was the person who was willing to stake all on the roll of the dice. The slave was the one who shrank back from risk. The Master was willing to die once, the slave died the thousand deaths of a coward.

    Jews win today because they have thrown out the Rule book. They will–and do–break any Law, defy any Convention etc. to achieve their ambitions. American Whites figure they have too much to lose so they go along, keep their fingers crossed and hope for a good outcome.

    Not until American Whites realize that they have lost all will they be willing to fight as though their very lives depend on it. By then, of course, Jews will be in complete control and it will be they who will be reluctant to risk all. And so the wheel turns.

    Hopefully, after the fire next time, the Jews will have either been driven out or have forsaken America and resettled in a new homeland where they can resume their locust-like depredations. The Eternal Return indeed.

    • Agree: Sam J.
    • Replies: @Polemos
  34. @Jim Christian

    Of course they did,,, they tried pretty much everything , they tried to buy me out, they tried to break my spirit, they work hard to impoverish me , really everything except termination ..

    • Replies: @TKK
  35. Gilad,

    You are writing about humanity, not Jews, or Judaism. Jewish tribalism and the identity problems you and other dissenters write about can be applied to any religion, tribe, culture or nation. It is a universal phenomenon. People resent you signaling out the Jews. It seems odd. You write unnecessarily nasty things about Jews and Judaism having nothing to do with your philosophy. It is sloppy at best. You will continue to get heat for it. Stop playing the victim.

    Judging by their desperate attempts to silence me, I assume that I must be seen, at least in the eyes of my Jewish detractors, as a prime conduit for that ever expanding general awareness – after all I have been blowing the whistle for a while.

    I have pointed this out to you many times, the criticism and invective against you is about the merit of your ideas not your right to present them. In your last article about controlled opposition many people raised the question to you “how do you know who is the controlled opposition and who is sincerely stating opposing ideas?”.

    Times have radically changed since 2011, the struggle against globalism and the desire for nationalism is becoming a global desire by countries and their people. It is not only Jews and Zionism with national aspirations. Eastern Europe and Brexit are about nationalism and in a way tribalism, the desire for individual cultures to control their county on issues like immigration. Palestinian rights were front and center on the world stage. With the disintegration of the surrounding countries, as well as the Palestinian’s refusal to accept Jewish nationalism, Palestinian statehood seems no longer possible and people have moved on. Their is less blame on Zionism and more on Palestinian dysfunction with the irreconcilable differences between Hamas and Fatah.

    The Jewish strategy to handle their fears includes the suppression of elementary freedoms: Jewish Power as I define it, is the power to suppress criticism of Jewish power. I believe that it was I who coined the slogan, ‘We Are All Palestinians.’ In accordance with my definition of Jewish power, Palestinians are those who can’t even utter the name of their oppressor. While Israel calls itself the Jewish State and boasts about itself as Jewish, the Palestinians and their solidarity movement go out of their way to avoid the ‘J word.’ When British Jewish institutions including the chief rabbi and the British Jewish press called an open war on the British Labour and its leader no one in the Labour party dared utter the ‘J word’ except when asking for Jewish forgiveness. The condition of being Palestinian, of not being able to name one’s oppressor, is now a global symptom. This suppression of speech and thought has evolved into a tyranny of correctness.

    To prove how outdated these ideas are look at the US presidential election. You have a Jewish billionaire running against a Jewish socialist. Neither which will get the Jewish vote. Also the Jewish billionaire Bloomberg does not give money to Jewish causes or advance Jewish power. He has run as both a Republican and a Democrat. 99% of his money goes to universal causes, not Jewish ones. J power?? Like pin the tail on the donkey?

    You should retool for a more universal approach, and stop blaming Jews, and Jewish identity for universal problems. It is anti-semitic to continue to collectively blame Jews for the criminal behavior of Jewish individuals. The British Labour party lost because people rejected their ideas and platform, not because of J power. Currently your audience is limited to conspirators, Jihadist, Muslims, Neo Nazi’s and WN. The venues for your ideas will continue to diminish.

    • Replies: @Truth3
    , @renfro
    , @Gilad Atzmon
  36. Kali says:

    Thank you, Gilad Atzmon.

    With love and deep respect,
    Kali.

  37. Kali says:
    @Thulean Friend

    Please correct me if I’m wrong Thulean Friend, but it seems to me that you’re almost suggesting that the reader overlook Gilads’ actual work, in favour of marveling at the, possibly rare, but certainly perfectly natural, human propensity to transcend cirumstances and limits. And the inspiration he may give others to do the same is of great value.

    But Gilads’ work, in its own right, should be read and appreciated for that work not to have been done in vain.

    Better to do him the honour of reading his work as well as appreciating the man himself.

    Again, if I’ve mis-read your intent, I apologise.
    Kali.

  38. Truth3 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Go back to your cave.

    By the way, you are a fraud as a so-called artist.

  39. I have no problem with Jews being racist. Best of luck them. What I do object do is that most of them seem outraged when non-Jewish Whites do the same,

    • Agree: mark green
    • Replies: @Miro23
  40. @Rational

    Mr. Atzmon is, like this blog’s proprietor, an extraordinarily brave and principled man.

    • Thanks: Gilad Atzmon
  41. renfro says:
    @Fran Taubman

    You write unnecessarily nasty things about Jews and Judaism having nothing to do with your philosophy. It is sloppy at best. You will continue to get heat for it. Stop playing the victim.

    Of course he is writing about Jews attacking him…because as far as I’ve ever seen No One Else but Jews like you are attacking him.

    Also the Jewish billionaire Bloomberg does not give money to Jewish causes or advance Jewish power. He has run as both a Republican and a Democrat. 99% of his money goes to universal causes, not Jewish ones.

    Bloomberg highlighted his personal philanthropy in Israel, such as donations to build the Magen David Adom Blood Center and a wing of the Hadassah Hospital in Jerusalem. He also trumpeted his decision to fly on an El Al plane to Ben-Gurion International Airport during the Israel-Gaza war in 2014, in a show of support to Israel at a time when the federal government had banned American commercial airlines from Israel for safety reasons.

    I have pointed this out to you many times, the criticism and invective against you is about the merit of your ideas not your right to present them. In your last article about controlled opposition many people raised the question to you “how do you know who is the controlled opposition and who is sincerely stating opposing ideas?”.

    Oh bs….the so called liberal anti zionist have raked Galid over the coals…..I use to read mondoweiss and they would not even allow discussion of ‘his ideas’….that is what a ‘controlled opposition ‘ does……censors anyone that dares discuss what Jewish ‘cultural factors’ might contribute to zionism and the Jewish occupation of Palestine.
    And gawd forbid anyone like Galid suggest that Jews examine themselves and take responsibility for themselves and their actions.

    With the disintegration of the surrounding countries, as well as the Palestinian’s refusal to accept Jewish nationalism, Palestinian statehood seems no longer possible and people have moved on. Their is less blame on Zionism and more on Palestinian dysfunction.

    Well someone ran me out of my home in Europe so I went to Palestine and stole a home from one of them …so what are they complaining about?….says the zio Jew..lol

    It is anti-semitic to continue to collectively blame Jews for the criminal behavior of Jewish individuals.

    Unfortunately my dear collective punishment is the way of world and war. No one is more into collective punishment than your kind…..the Jews have and still do blame the Us, Europe, the whole world for not “saving them”.

    Go sell your crazy somewhere else.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  42. @Kratoklastes

    Plutarch (1st century BCE)

    No idea why I put a B there; I wasn’t even drunk. Peccāvī on both counts. Also peccāvī more generally, and while we’re at it peccābō (and almost certainly peccāverō) coz that’s how I roll.

    Should be 1st century CE, obvs.

  43. utu says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    Perhaps you could consider writing something about Athens vs. Jerusalem dichotomy also in the historical context of Judaism vs. Hellenism clash in antiquity. Unfortunately most modern research on the subject is dominated by Jewish authors. One must look back to authors form 18th, 19th and early 20th century when European gentile researchers were not yet paralyzed with fear when tackling Jewish subjects. However there are prominent exceptions of Jewish authors like Simone Weil. Here is my comment from few years ago:

    https://www.unz.com/ishamir/the-messiah-is-here/?showcomments#comment-2341246
    He knows that. He was trying to be mean to me by bringing up my non-infrequent questions/insinuations about who is behind and who is paying for it? This was also a way to not admit that he was not familiar with Simone Weil who in some Jewish circles is viewed as the worst kind of apostate, i.e, a Christian one which creates a real dilemma for Jews who at the same time like to be proud of geniuses that come form the tribe. She was one of these geniuses like Teresa of Avila. AaronB’s apostasy otoh is acceptable by Jews because it is of Buddhist kind: Scratch an American Buddhist and you find a Jew. Anyway, Simone Weil was in some sense a mathematical genius like her brother. Her reasoning has mathematical nature that’s why it is so clear, pure and distilled to the bare bones. That’s why she really can appreciate the Greeks whom AaronB seems to be afraid of which is not uncommon among Jews. Athens vs. Jerusalem. Add to Athens Christianity and Jews begin to feel very uncomfortable. Because Athens+Christianity is a real force. They prefer Evangelicals who are totally cut off form the Western tradition that’s why they can be so easily turned into rabid Zionist. Jews like fools.

    And here is one of Simone Weil books:

    Intimations of Christianity Among the Ancient Greeks by Simone Weil
    https://books.google.com/books/about/Intimations_of_Christianity_Among_the_An.html?id=lePartD_K5wC

    • Thanks: Gilad Atzmon
    • Replies: @utu
    , @anonymous
  44. @Fran Taubman

    When you Fran or anyone else point at a single problem, inconsistency, factual mistake in my body of work, I may take you seriously. Until now neither you, nor anyone else has done so. Writing to promoters or terrorising jazz clubs isn’t exactly an argumentative approach, it only provides a window into unacceptable tribal behaviour. Also telling us the Jews are like anyone else is not exactly an argument but an argument that calls for substantiation. If X was like all other Ys, it wouldn’t be X, it would be Y, You can utilise this rule to yourself and your ppl.

    By the way, I don’t argue that my work is free of mistakes, I myself found a few, but i point out that neither you or ayone else did so. calling me names is not going to cut it…

    • Thanks: Nonny Mouse
    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Fran Taubman
  45. @renfro

    ‘…It is anti-semitic to continue to collectively blame Jews for the criminal behavior of Jewish individuals.

    Unfortunately my dear collective punishment is the way of world and war. No one is more into collective punishment than your kind…..the Jews have and still do blame the Us, Europe, the whole world for not “saving them”.’

    It’s a matter of degree. Not very many Germans shot Jews. It’s even been established that most Germans genuinely didn’t know Jews were being shot. Nevertheless, most — including the Germans themselves — still accept some degree of corporate culpability for Nazi crimes. They cheered them on, or at least acquiesced — and it was clear enough what the Nazis intended. There wasn’t going to be a Greater East European Co-Prosperity Sphere.

    So now we come to Jews. Virtually all Jews support Israel; many may want a ‘nice’ Israel — but they still want it.

    Jews may somehow manage to evade learning about Israel’s crimes — although it’d be much harder than managing to not learn about the crimes of the Nazis.

    But it doesn’t matter. Those crimes are more or less implicit in the existence of Zionist Israel. They’re as implicit as wholesale oppression and persecution was implicit in Nazism. So if virtually all Jews support Zionism, shouldn’t we blame Jews in general for Israel’s crimes? Could she continue to perpetrate them if the majority of Jews actually rebelled and said ohne mich’?

    Get back to me when that happens. Then we can take care to distinguish between Jews in general and the bad Jews who support Israel. God forbid we unfairly condemn anyone.

    We should only condemn the guilty.

    • Replies: @Truth3
    , @renfro
    , @Skeptikal
  46. You should retool for a more universal approach, and stop blaming Jews, and Jewish identity for universal problems.

    Jewish corruptions ARE universal, Frannie. Butter wouldn’t melt in your mouth. At every corruption, theft or financial and political calamity, Jews. It is THE universal problem. Every. Single. Time.

    Sorry we’re noticing too much for you.

  47. Tsigantes says:
    @Colin Wright

    Just for the record: slaves in ancient Athens were not permanent but had something similar to contracts. They could work off their status and be freed, and once freed, become citizens and vote.
    Slaves were mostly foreigners taken in war: it might upset the race partisans at Unz but in Athens tribalism was thus defined as cultural and not biological.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  48. Truth3 says:
    @Colin Wright

    We should only condemn the guilty.

    Jews are collectively guilty for Israel’s War Crimes, as well as a host of other misdeeds around the World.

    Why?

    Jews are a Collective. A Tribe. A Mafia.

    They work together as a group… against all others.

    • Agree: Pheasant
    • Replies: @freedom-cat
  49. renfro says:
    @Colin Wright

    We should only condemn the guilty.

    I don’t know of a conflict where that ever happened.
    Except maybe some countries where the public overthrew a dictator…..but even then they usually escape to some other country by buying their way in with what they stole from their own country,

    But I am all for condemning just the guilty…..that’s why I suggest assassinations to rid us of the guilty.
    90000 refugees fled Syria again this week…..I suggest we take out those who are responsible….Saudi Bandar and Saudi MbS King, Netanyahu, Trump and Co..for starters…..and then work our way thru the neocon think tankers. and Lobbys .

  50. melpol says:

    My Belarus family came from a long line of Shtetl survivors. Only the cleverest and smartest could raise families. The rest wandered off to die or be taken in as Converso slaves by German farmers. Dozens of my family members left their Shtetls and landed in Ellis Island. They embarked in search of their fortunes. Most became workers in the clothing industry, the rest worked as Diamond polishers or cutters. American Jews can thank their Shtetl survivors for passing on smarts and cleverness in genetic form.

  51. @melpol

    ‘My Belarus family came from a long line of Shtetl survivors. Only the cleverest and smartest could raise families. The rest wandered off to die or be taken in as Converso slaves by German farmers. Dozens of my family members left their Shtetls and landed in Ellis Island. They embarked in search of their fortunes. Most became workers in the clothing industry, the rest worked as Diamond polishers or cutters. American Jews can thank their Shtetl survivors for passing on smarts and cleverness in genetic form.’

    ‘Fractured Fairy Tales.’ Anybody else remember that?

    • Agree: Jim Christian
  52. Tsigantes says:
    @PeterMX

    Sorry, but how pitiable and sad it is to see FREE human beings choose to cling to being ‘white’ – a non-existant skin colour – instead of to: ethics, creativity, honour, wisdom, justice, generosity, bravery, heroism and other continuous strivings toward excellence that constitute civilisations (plural). If ‘white’, a non-value, becomes the defining value, your effort – what ever that could be at this amoebic level – is doomed to failure through sheer incapacity.

    Forgive me for aiming my remarks at you when they are addressed to all who share this illusion.

    In a context whose highest value is being ‘white’ no wonder that an obsession with nazis and jews predominate. No wonder that the relationship Nazi-Jew is misinterpreted as Black vs White …instead of an eternal bondage and mirror image of scapegoating. And how curious that as the US empire visibly fails and the United States crumbles into vapidities and criminality (again, apologies but that is how it looks from outside), that this catastrophic failure of all value is the only period of European history ‘whites’ tout as its apogee.

    • Agree: Sya Beerens
    • Replies: @PeterMX
  53. Anon[112] • Disclaimer says:

    I realised that Jewishness (yehudiyut) is a manifold of different forms of chosenness. Rabbinical Jews celebrate being God’s favorite children. Atheist Jews in practice, dumped the God who first chose them in order to validate their own superiority as godless people. Jewish Marxists are special for their belief in equality. Tikun Olam Jews believe that it is down to them to save the Goyim. After a few more years of this study I realised that Judaism is just one Jewish religion amongst many and it is not even the most popular Jewish religion.

    This is, in my opinion, the boldest and most consequential claim of the article. I agree with it, though my opinion is definitely of less value than Gilad’s.

    It might be useful to show that Jewish people are not unique in having a superiority complex, and there is a reason for superiority complexes.

    Other peoples with their own superiority complexes abound. The Japanese have a concept called Yamato-damashii, which really just means the spirit of the Japanese, but it also is meant in an adulatory way, to praise “indominability” and “strategic genius.” The idea of Japanese racial superiority supposedly drove their imperialism in the past (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Investigation_of_Global_Policy_with_the_Yamato_Race_as_Nucleus). And according to internet armchair experts, it still sort of exists today (https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2014/03/anne_frank_and_japanese_divine_race_theory_.html, xxxhttps://www.reddit.com/r/sgiwhistleblowers/comments/5kybsq/the_japanese_believe_theyre_the_superior_race_and/)

    Currently, the Indians have a sense that their Hindu culture is greatly morally superior. The Chinese school system drills a sense of the evil of the USA into the children, and teaches the children that China is a greatly morally superior, non-racist country that was never very Imperialistic and does not act badly or greedily on the world stage currently. Europeans are obsessed with their moral superiority vs the USA, believing that their liberalism and socialism show that they are leaps and bounds better than the rest of the world.

    So what is the deal with this superiority stuff?

    Basically, a sense of superiority seems almost inseparable from confidence. And confidence seems almost inseparable from positive attitude (Jordan Peterson often talks about how researchers can’t separate neuroticism well from “low self-esteem”). The Jewish confidence is a common observation; it should also be noted that Jewish suicide rates have almost always been lower than gentile suicide rates, which is often explained as being due to social involvement within Jewish communities but also could perhaps be explained by higher confidence.

    It is especially useful to have a sense of superiority when you interface with “the Other.” In that case, you do not get scared when you are challenged. You do not doubt yourself (self doubt = low confidence = negative attitude) when the Other questions your ideas, because you firmly believe that he is dumber than you. You do not get scared when the Other tries to fight, because you believe that you will win the fight. You do not get greatly scared of the competition, because you believe before you even enter the competition that you can/will succeed due to your innate superiority. You do not live with sexual frustration, because women are classists and will accept your sexual advances since you are superior.

    The usefulness of superiority complexes is probably why children latch onto them so hard. Even among adult liberals, it is common to compare countries to see which is “better.” This obnoxious exercise is all over Quora.com.

    It should be noted that having lower neuroticism makes people far more productive. From a psychological perspective, it is because neuroticism carries productivity-reducing traits of anxiety, depressions, etc. The races that currently hold superiority complexes in the USA (Jews, Indians, to a lesser extent Chinese) are also at the top of the society. This is no coincidence. To an even lesser extent, Mormons have a superiority complex (according to Amy Chua), and they do better than Christians in socioeconomic competition and reproduction. Jews also out-reproduce white gentiles in the USA.

    Maybe it should be noted that the peoples with superiority complexes also have materialistic (money-loving) cultures. The Asians worshiped wealth gods in the past, while Christians believed that “greed” is a sin, and that “the last will be first, and the first will be last in the kingdom of heaven.”

    You get the impression that superiority complexes are created almost to justify will-to-power, as is most obvious with Hitler. Either that, or you get the impression that they are created to maintain elitist cultures and make sure children are most likely to win in competition with other groups.

    So are superiority complexes good for society? Well, no. Firstly, in a society with superior races, there must be inferior races. If the Indians are morally superior for their Hindu belief that “everything is true,” it comes with the implication that the less “open and tolerant” Christians are scum in the society. The inferior races will have inferiority complexes, which have reverse implications on the psyche. Black Americans and white Southerners are good examples of the terrible consequences of an inferiority complex. Secondly, as British-American-Australian-Canadian history has shown, superiority complexes blind people to great evils.

    But if superiority complexes are so pivotal for success and confidence, what else can you do to encourage happiness? I would suggest lowering the amount of interface and competition with “Others,” and working to eliminate things, to what extent is reasonable, that Otherize. One way to do this is to encourage secularization and reduce racial diversity.

    While sense of superiority makes you confident, it is not interchangeable with confidence. Confidence is “shared faith,” or faith that you will succeed in your interaction with the society around you. If your society is loving, caring, and VERY unified, confidence is possible for even the lower people in society, because they have “social trust” that the people around them are “on their side.”

    Superiority complexes are useful in the diverse society. Groups that carry them are able to out-compete and to prevent intermarriages. Religions or races that maintain them tend to survive best in diverse societies and win in economic or military competitions internationally. The people with superiority complexes are able to maintain integrity within diverse societies since their women often do not want to marry out (especially with Indian and Jewish women).

    As long as we have diverse societies, we are destined to be dominated by people with superiority complexes. If we have less diverse societies, superiority complexes are unnecessary and only come into play if the country is Imperialistic.

    • Agree: utu
    • Disagree: renfro
    • LOL: Saggy
    • Replies: @renfro
    , @BlackFlag
    , @anonymous
  54. @animalogic

    For the Stoics (and others) ‘slave’ was also an insult used for people who didn’t try to live up to philosophical ideals.

    Being a ‘slave to passion’ was the opposite of virtue, and was a sick burn if directed at another philosopher – it showed a failure to develop beyond base self-interest.

    Being a slave in that sense didn’t just mean being focused on worldly things, either. It was far more stringent than that: it was any failure to continue to pursue ἀταραξία (‘imperturbability’), ἀπάθεια (‘absence of passion’), and εὐπάθεια (‘good feelings’ – better understood as ‘joy’ than ‘pleasure’).

    These three characteristics were part of the prescriptive (always ‘aspirational’) ideal – the goal being εὐδαιμονία (human flourishing – i.e., the best possible state of the rational ‘soul'[1]).

    When people gabble on about ‘Christian’ values, they are generally talking about Stoic values that influenced Christianity, and which pre-date the Nicene Creed by more than half a millennium (taken from the approximate date of Zeno’s Republic to the Council of Nicaea in 325CE).

    Note though that the Nicene Creed – the first agreed-upon statement of core principles of the new religion – says precisely fuck-all about the pursuit of, or definition of, virtue. It’s entirely taken up with declaring unwavering belief.

    All the ‘good stuff’ gets sticky-taped on as time progresses – even though the virtuous way to conduct oneself had already been fully and almost-perfectly explicated at the start of the 4th century BCE. (And fuck knows how much more smart stuff was said: we have no copies of works considered important – e.g., Antisthenes’ “Of Freedom and Slavery“)

    [1] Fuck ‘soul’. It’s the 21st century: we can agree that striving to be the best possible person is a good ideal, while being careful to avoid associating the principle with supernaturalism by using words like ‘soul’. We’re biological machines: that doesn’t make εὐδαιμονία a less-worthy telos.

  55. ‘Note though that the Nicene Creed – the first agreed-upon statement of core principles of the new religion – says precisely fuck-all about the pursuit of, or definition of, virtue. It’s entirely taken up with declaring unwavering belief…’

    Yeah, but…

    The Nicene creed wasn’t trying to define virtue or how to pursue it; it was seeking to define an agreed doctrine so as to end endless uncertainty and disputes.

    Your criticism is a bit like complaining that the repair manual for your car doesn’t describe safe driving practices. That’s not its purpose.

  56. @melpol

    Many Ashkenazim children were kidnaped by Mongolian tribesmen, years later they led the tribe.

    Why do I keep reading so much bullshit on the right about Mongols or “Mongolians”? Is it a Jewish nervous tic or something? This literally never happened.

    This was a great article though, and very relevant as about 95% of commenters here are Jewish or mixed Jews.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    , @Pheasant
  57. PeterMX says:
    @Tsigantes

    It is not an illusion that European countries are comprised of white peoples, European peoples of different ethnicities and it is not an illusion that all of western Europe has deliberately been transformed into multicultural (meaning multi racial) countries. The change is visible to anyone walking in cities like Berlin, Paris, London and all across these countries. The statistics showing the deliberate change of the populations so they now have non-European (non white) ethnic minorities above 10%, as high as 20% or higher is not a mistake. It’s not a mistake that two of my German cousins are half Arab. Not that I like them less because of it, but I greatly resent that this genocide (as the word is defined by the UN) was deliberately carried out and I only learned of it in the last ten years. It’s not a mistake that this genocide was aimed first at the Germans and openly discussed by the allied countries during the war and then done to the rest of western Europe. You should reserve your vitriol for the racially pure state of Israel, but you’re stupid so you point it at the demonized whites.

    My first concern is what has been done to Germany but it would be ridiculous to ignore the rest of Europe. This concern goes well beyond the transformation of the German population and includes seeing a real history of WW II be accepted instead of lies.

    For you. Learn something.
    http://ihr.org/books/kaufman/perish.shtml

    “A plan similar to Kaufman’s was issued during the war years by a prominent American anthropologist. In an article headlined “Breed War Strain Out of Germans” in the New York daily newspaper P.M., January 4, 1943, Ernest Hooton laid out an “outbreeding” plan that would “destroy German nationalism and aggressive ideology while retaining and perpetuating desirable German biological and sociological capacities.” (See also: Benjamin Colby, ‘Twas a Famous Victory, 1974, p. 131.)

    The Harvard University professor’s proposal called for genetically transforming the German nation by encouraging mating of German women with non-German men, who would be brought into the country in large numbers, and of German men, forcibly held outside of Germany, with non-German women. Ten to twelve million German men would be assigned to forced labor under Allied supervision in countries outside of Germany to rebuild their economies. “The objects of this measure,” wrote Dr. Hooton, “include reduction of the birthrate of ‘pure’ Germans, neutralization of German aggressiveness by outbreeding and denationalization of indoctrinated individuals.”
    This plan, Hooton estimated, would require at least 20 years to be implemented. “During this period,” he went on, “encourage also the immigration and settlement in the German states of non-German nationals, especially males.”

    In the decades since the end of World War II, something of the spirit of the genocidal Kaufman and Hooton plans seems manifest in Germany’s population and immigration policies. Since the nation’s defeat in 1945, the German birth rate has fallen to below the replacement level, millions of racially and culturally alien migrants have been welcomed as settlers in Germany, the number of children of mixed ethnicity has sharply increased, and the ethnic-cultural character of much of the country has been drastically altered, especially in the larger cities.”

    American Jew Barbara Spectre, dedicated to keeping Israel racially pure was hired by the Swedish government to facilitate the destruction of the Swedish people.

    Harvard Jewish Professor calls for destruction of whites. He thinks whites exist.

    • Replies: @Sya Beerens
    , @BlackFlag
  58. Honest Jews may have gathered that being chosen by a God you yourself invented to favour you over the rest of humanity is actually funny.

    It’s also very childish and elementary.

    I remember learning about the Jews as God’s “chosen people” in Sunday school.

    As a child, I remember asking my mom why God liked the Jews better than me. Only children think this way. Sadly, many adults remain in an elementary state their entire lives, literally believing this nonsense or unwilling to denounce the lies.

    • Agree: renfro
  59. @Kratoklastes

    Totally agree.
    “We’re biological machines: that doesn’t make εὐδαιμονία a less-worthy telos .”
    Ive always felt that (long forgotten) existentionalism is strongly linked to Stocism. The Stoic still had “nature”. With existentionalism, nature is reduced to a dangerously(or opportunely) alienated “human”.

  60. Dumbo says:

    Athens: democracy, tolerance, freedom of speech,

    I doubt that Athens views of such things were very similar to ours, or maybe it is our age who corrupted them. Democracy was only for generations-long citizens (men). Tolerance, I don’t think it meant receiving without fight tons of “refugees”, and as for freedom of speech, again, I don’t think we have that today exactly, but neither did Athenians – ask a fellow named Socrates.

    I think the Athens + Jerusalem – Europe equation is tempting but not exactly correct. It would be more like Athens + Sparta + Jerusalem + Rome + Byzantium + Germanic paganism + European Christianity (Christianity as it evolved during the middle ages is very different from Judaism, which also evolved in a different direction.

    Someone said that once that Jews feel basically like “God’s ex-girlfriend” – they are jealous of Christians since the time they “stole” their God and delivered it to “all nations”. This is why they hate Christ so much.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  61. ‘Someone said that once that Jews feel basically like “God’s ex-girlfriend” – they are jealous of Christians since the time they “stole” their God and delivered it to “all nations”. This is why they hate Christ so much.’

    Dunno about that; but it is interesting to think about how the Jewish collective identity must have originated and how it’s evolved over time — and evolved differently in different places!

    Here, can we please skip treating all those Biblical fables as history? I see Judaism originating as an urban cult spread from Babylon to Egypt in the wake of the Persian conquests.

    And another thing: are we talking about Jews in general, or just about the Ashenazim? There’s a tendency to start referring to ‘the Jews’ — and then for the whole conversation to develop as if Ashkenazim were the only Jews out there. I doubt very much that Yemeni Jewish identity resembled Polish Jewish identity in any respect at all.

    • Replies: @Sya Beerens
  62. renfro says:
    @Anon

    I would disagree that superiority complexes always come from the person’s belief that he really is superior.
    In the case of Jews I’m gonna go with Adler and Horrens.

    In the 16 years I’ve followed Isr-Pal I’ve probably read thousands of articles by Jews…one thing that always stands out is Jews always ‘comparing ‘ Jews to gentiles. Whether its David Brooks comparing WASP elite to Jews elite in the NYT or Rabbi Boteach comparing Christian love to Jewish Lust (in which Jewish lust comes out the winner naturally) or Bret Stephens writing about superior Jewish intellect giving them an advantage over others. And you can hardly find Jewish writings in which their theme isn’t Jews invented the world, did his or that, are most moral, etc..

    That Jews can’t write about Jews without a lot of over the top bragging and comparing themselves to others indicates that underneath that is a huge inferiority complex. A person who truly believes they are superior feels no need to do that….they do not care what the lesser others think of them.
    We can look at the Jewish trolls here to see the ‘defensive superior claims’.
    Iow they are always trying to ‘convince’ others and themselves too of their superiority.

    The reasons for their deep seated inferiority and need to claim superiority no doubt stems from centuries of being shunned as undesirables.

    ___________________________________________________________________
    ”Superiority complex is either developed from a defensive need to overcome inferiority or constant overwhelming feelings in which an individual feels truly superior to others.
    Adler maintains the idea throughout his writing that superiority complexes show up as a result of inferiority complexes. He states that those with an inferiority complex develop a superiority complex to overcome the difficulties presented by the former.”

    Adler, Alfred, 1870-1937 (1964-12-30). The Individual Psychology of Alfred Adler : a Systematic Presentation in Selections from His Writings (First ed.). New York. ISBN 9780061311543. OCLC 5692434.

    Other authors have argued that the superiority and inferiority complex cannot both be found in the same individual since an individual with a superiority complex truly believes that they are superior to others. Ada Kahn claims that an inferiority complex may manifest with the behaviors that are intended to show others that one is superior; such as expensive material possessions, or an obsession with vanity and appearances. They express themselves as superior because they lack feelings of adequacy. Superiority complex sufferers do not always care about image or vanity, since they have innate feelings of superiority and thus do not usually concern themselves with proving their superiority to others
    Other authors have argued that the superiority and inferiority complex cannot both be found in the same individual since an individual with a superiority complex truly believes that they are superior to others. Ada Kahn claims that an inferiority complex may manifest with the behaviors that are intended to show others that one is superior; such as expensive material possessions, or an obsession with vanity and appearances. They express themselves as superior because they lack feelings of adequacy. Superiority complex sufferers do not always care about image or vanity, since they have innate feelings of superiority and thus do not usually concern themselves with proving their superiority to others.

    Vera Hoorens say that those exhibiting the superiority complex have a self-image of supremacy.[8] According to Hoorens, those with superiority complexes may be viewed in a negative light from those around them since they are not concerned with the opinions of others about themselves. Individuals with an inferiority complex are the ones who present themselves in the best light possible; while those with a superiority complex may not attempt to make themselves look good.
    This does not mean that a person with a superiority complex will not express their superiority to others, but merely that they do not feel the need to. They may speak as if they are all-knowing and better than others, but ultimately do not care if others think so or not, and will not care if others tell them so; they simply refuse to listen to, and do not care about those who disagree. In this regard, it is much like the cognitive bias known as illusory superiority. Others may fail to recognize that this is a trait of those with low self-opinion who care deeply about the opinion of others, not of those who feel superior and have high self-esteem and do not care at all about the opinion of others.

    Hoorens, Vera (December 1995). “Self-Favoring Biases, Self-Presentation, and the Self-Other Asymmetry in Social Comparison”. Journal of Personality. 63 (4): 793–817. doi:10.1111/j.1467-6494.1995.tb00317.x. ISSN 0022-3506.
    __________________________________________________________________

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Skeptikal
  63. Anon[112] • Disclaimer says:
    @renfro

    @renfro

    This is all inconclusive. In the quotes you gave, the word “may” occurred six times. That is because the inferiority complex MAY or MAY NOT cause “exhibition” of superiority.

    You will find that Jews do not “exhibit” superiority much, though. They don’t usually wear bling bling or buy gigantic trucks or display such other weird behaviors. These sorts of behaviors are what these psychologists are interested in; so there is no contradiction.

    Jews don’t talk constantly about their superiority, but it is a widely assumed, underlying belief among them (as can be confirmed by many Jews in the Luke Ford o sphere).

    The same goes for Indians, Chinese, etc.

    There will be some Jews with inferiority complexes, as there are in all populations, but there is really no reason they should. They have nothing to be ashamed of. It is not like they are white Southerners who actually are hated by the world, who actually do have a great deal to be ashamed of.

    However, I should mention this one quote about actual superiority complexes, as it does apply to Jews:

    According to Hoorens, those with superiority complexes may be viewed in a negative light from those around them since they are not concerned with the opinions of others about themselves

    It reminds me of Robert Moses, the Jewish architect of New York’s bridges and many of its roads, who is famous for building infrastructure on massive deficits and then using tolls to pay for them (a curse that New Yorkers still live with). On his efforts to organize a world’s fair in New York, you read in wikipedia:

    In his organization of the fair, Moses’s reputation was now undermined by the same personal character traits that had worked in his favor in the past: disdain for the opinions of others and high-handed attempts to get his way in moments of conflict by turning to the press.

    Of course, this quote includes a “may” as well, so it is inconclusive, but I’d say that this perfectly describes Jewish people. As Kevin McDonald has shown in his books, Jews rarely change their culture or behavior due to pressures from gentiles, which is indicative that they do not take seriously criticism of others about their culture/behaviors. For example, Jews still do not believe in the concept of “greed,” after two thousand years in Christian and Muslim civilizations.

  64. Art says:

    The Jewish strategy to handle their fears includes the suppression of elementary freedoms: Jewish Power as I define it, is the power to suppress criticism of Jewish power.

    A copy of another comment.

    Have you noticed that no one is saying “Jew” when it comes to the Dem nominee for president? Among the elite “woke,” it is correctly believed the nominee will be a Jew – Bloomberg or Bernie. Yet no one will publish anything that says, “they are Jews.”

    A Jew for president is historic. Why is it not a topic of discussion? When Kennedy ran in 1960 – his catholic heritage was a major topic.

    Everyone in the US media and elite culture fears saying anything that the Jews do not want discussed. This is a glaring example of total Jew control over American discourse and society.

  65. renfro says:
    @Anon

    You don’t even realize that everything in your reply confirms everything I said.

    You will find that Jews do not “exhibit” superiority much, though. They don’t usually wear bling bling or buy gigantic trucks or display such other weird behaviors. These sorts of behaviors are what these psychologists are interested in; so there is no contradiction.

    Psychologists arent interested in bling bling they are interested in behavior and interactions with others.

    ”Jews don’t talk constantly about their superiority, but it is a widely assumed, underlying belief among them (as can be confirmed by many Jews in the Luke Ford o sphere).

    LOL…that’s all you are talking about as a Jew.

    There will be some Jews with inferiority complexes, as there are in all populations, but there is really no reason they should. They have nothing to be ashamed of. It is not like they are white Southerners who actually are hated by the world, who actually do have a great deal to be ashamed of.

    Southerners compared to Jews?…..as I said..always ‘comparing’ themselves to others….rotflmao

    Of course, this quote includes a “may” as well, so it is inconclusive, but I’d say that this perfectly describes Jewish people. As Kevin McDonald has shown in his books, Jews rarely change their culture or behavior due to pressures from gentiles, which is indicative that they do not take seriously criticism of others about their culture/behaviors. For example, Jews still do not believe in the concept of “greed,” after two thousand years in Christian and Muslim civilizations.

    LOL…..so they don’t take criticism seriously eh? That why they scream about anti semitism 24/7 and sue everyone and try to dismantle free speech?

    Listen fellow you are too dumb to be commenting on this as everything you say only re enforces what I said…..and I say dumb because you cant even see how you are defending and supporting Jewish superiority ….and even worse you cant even see that other people see that’s what you are doing.

    The bottom line is Jews fear gentiles and non Jews, always have. That and their sense of inferiority prevents them from fitting into any country or society. Since they were never ‘equals’ among men they had to find ways to compensate and ‘promote themselves’ ….. posing as both superior and victims really makes up the entirety of the Jewish ‘posture’ in the world.

  66. Art says:
    @Anon

    For example, Jews still do not believe in the concept of “greed,” after two thousand years in Christian and Muslim civilizations.

    Please explain — Thanks

  67. Art says:

    My struggle as I now understand it, has evolved into a metaphysical quest. I battle to reinstate Athens within my soul. If you want to make the West great again, my struggle is your struggle. Defy Jerusalem, say no to authoritarianism, embrace Athens in your heart: learn to speak your mind, tell the truth as you see it and bear the consequences.

    This is a brilliant article – Gilad Atzmon’s very best — Major Kudos — Art

  68. renfro says:

    A Jew for president is historic. Why is it not a topic of discussion? When Kennedy ran in 1960 – his catholic heritage was a major topic.

    Yes, no mention of it in the msm…..gentiles not allowed to discuss or evaluate it.
    I follow a dozen or so Jewish groups sites and twitters of public figure Jews.

    It appears that many of the left wing Jews are ‘tentatively’ supporting Bernie since Biden (a reliable Israel supporter has faded) but they have reservations about his conditioning aid to Israel.

    The right wing hard case Zios hate him and the Zios within the Dem part also hate him. Both of these have created orgs to defeat him and are funding ads against him.

    And of course the Dem ‘establishment’ also hates him.

    I have to say he’s got something going for him judging by the enormous crowds he is drawing. Here in my state he drew 3000 to a rally while Bloomberg drew only 700.
    He also appears to have a humongous amount of activist spread across the country to get out votes for him. In Nevada they are canvassing the rural areas on horseback even.

    This might be the ‘dissatisfaction ‘pendulum swing against Trump and to Bernie…. just as 2016 swing to Trump was also a ‘dissatisfaction ‘ swing from the ‘establishment’ and the status quo.

  69. Polemos says:
    @ThreeCranes

    Where do you read Hegel saying that?

  70. @JohnPlywood

    This was a great article though, and very relevant as about 95% of commenters here are Jewish or mixed Jews.

    Not me. Believe it or not.

  71. utu says:
    @utu

    An old comment by HBM:

    https://www.unz.com/article/reply-to-jordan-peterson-on-the-jewish-question-from-his-heroes/#comment-2598966

    Jews lived in very large numbers all over the Mediterranean and have a long and involved history with the Greeks, which includes starting a civil war in Alexandria. And it was Hellenized Jews, particularly the ones in Alexandria, who concocted Jewish “History” using their new Greek learning, and borrowing from the vast textual resources of the Library– the work of Herodotus included.

    The same sorts of Hellenized Jewish intellectuals that claimed Spartans were Jewish in origin or that Alexander spared Jerusalem because Jews were so awesome or that Socrates learned everything he knew from Moses, are the same sort that had then recently authored the Hebrew Scriptures. The Jewish holy book is not myths or fairy tales; it was written under and was targeted directly at the ruling Greeks. It’s retrohistorical ethnoreligious propaganda– a technique Jews learned at what Freud would call the “scene of instruction” under the Persians who had done it to them and so were forced endlessly to repeat the psychological injury compulsively. This trope of historical revision that includes replacing the origins of and then superseding, that in literary terms would be called a metaleptic transumption , is the master trope of Judaism. “Palestine doesn’t exist; we were here first”; “America, White People– never existed”; “(Insert what Jews don’t like here) is a construct— etc.– all from the people who are themselves s made-up.

    BTW, HBM made some interesting comments on the origins of Judaism.

  72. @Anon

    ‘It is not like they are white Southerners who actually are hated by the world, who actually do have a great deal to be ashamed of.’

    ? There’s a strange remark. I take it you haven’t known many white Southerners.

    • Replies: @Anon
  73. LarryS says:

    Israel was a people, not a place. The Hebrews divided into 2 kingdoms: the Kingdom of Israel and the Kingdom of Judah. The Kingdom of Israel ended around 722 BC. The modern, secular state called Israel is not the Israel of the Bible. If anything, it should be called Judah.

    The Kingdom of Judah became Judea and Judeans are called Jews in English. I doubt there are any pure blood descendants of Jacob (Israel) today.

    The Hebrews were “chosen” to be the people from whom the Messiah would come. Many rejected Jesus as the Messiah and Judaism 101 http://www.jewfaq.org/mashiach.htm looks forward to a political leader who will rule the world from Jerusalem.

    People can belong to any tribe they want and believe whatever they like, but that freedom is not just for them.

    Talmudic Rabbinical Phariseeism hates Jesus, Christians, Christianity and Western Civilization.
    I am not an enemy of the “Jews” but evidently they are mine.

    • Agree: anarchyst
  74. Rollmop says:
    @Kratoklastes

    An absolute gem of a comment. Learnt much. Thank you.

  75. Jslade says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    There’s a clarity to your recent writing that’s lacking in your earlier work. That clarity is a function of recent events. As we look forward to an election between Donald Trump (whose daughter is Jewish and whose Vice President is a Christian Zionist) and Bernie Sanders, it’s all becoming very clear. Now we can all see how right you truly are. We truly are all Palestinians- observers and victims of a drama which has nothing to do with us.

    • Replies: @Gilad Atzmon
  76. bispora says:

    A better covering for this article:
    Jankovics Marcell- Sisyphos

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  77. Bea says:

    good read – My Struggle by GILAD ATZMON

  78. @Tsigantes

    And weren’t the Athenians different to start with? Mediterraneans rather than Nordics or Aryans?

  79. It’s good that a few Jews are on the goyim’s side, but no, “Athens” is not how we’d tikkun this olam, if we even had a chance. That’d be “Alexandria”.

    • Replies: @Gilad Atzmon
  80. sarz says:

    Gilad, you know the Holocaust story is a crock of shit. So why not do the proper Athenian thing and just say so? Why all the waffling? “Revising, revising, I’m always revising.” That’s just Jew talk. Imagine if Galileo had talked like you. But he didn’t. At least under his breath. “Eppur, si muove!” (For all that, it moves.) Come on, come clean. What more can they do?

    • Agree: Saggy
    • Replies: @Gilad Atzmon
    , @Saggy
  81. Kali says:
    @Kratoklastes

    [1] Fuck ‘soul’. It’s the 21st century: we can agree that striving to be the best possible person is a good ideal, while being careful to avoid associating the principle with supernaturalism by using words like ‘soul’.

    How about “being” rather than “soul”?
    Our “Being” is undeniable…

    We’re biological machines: that doesn’t make εὐδαιμονία a less-worthy telos.

    And arguably (inarguably? ) “more than the sum of the parts”..?

    Thank you for some really interesting comments. (Thanks also to @anon112, for food for thought.)

    Kali.

    • Replies: @Marshall Lentini
  82. Miro23 says:
    @Irish Savant

    I have no problem with Jews being racist. Best of luck them. What I do object do is that most of them seem outraged when non-Jewish Whites do the same,

    There is some logic to it. If Jews (2% of the US population) are racists then it helps them get ahead. If Gentiles (98% of the US population) are racists, then Jews would probably face deportation and exit the US.

  83. Alfred says:

    Last week, I read that one of the quotes of Bloomberg goes something like this “any Jew who says that he does not mind being a Jew is a liar”

    I am unable to find the exact quotation, but it does sound true. Of course, saying the truth about Blacks and so on might cost Bloomberg the presidency.

  84. @Colin Wright

    The Hollywood, Media and political propaganda cabal of course…..

  85. GeeBee says:
    @Truth3

    Do you know, I hadn’t spotted that until your comment! Thanks.

  86. The Jew is the psychological cripple that rides on the shoulders of the intellectually dishonest goy … the day Whites become honest with themselves about the pernicious effects of accepting Hebrew mythology as the be-all and end-all, that will be the day the Zionist monkey will get off the back of the Western civilization.

  87. Pheasant says:
    @JohnPlywood

    Here on Atzmon’s column or Unz.com generally?

  88. Skeptikal says:

    “Honest Jews may have gathered that being chosen by a God you yourself invented to favour you over the rest of humanity is actually funny. ”

    Yes! Thanks for this! Thanks for stating what should be the Obvious.

    I have thought this for the longest time, but a lot of people do not seem to get what is funny about this.

    They are so used to accepting the idea that the ridiculousness of it blows right past them.

    Generally those with a superiority complex are considered to suffer from a neurosis.

    But if you make a religion of your superiority and specialness and aver that God says you are special, that’s A-OK!

    No longer a neurosis!
    And, we can now proceed to order the world’s geopolitical system to reflect this neurosis.

    It is as yet unclear how to combat this neurosis without being accused of suffering from another neurosis: anti-semitism.

    It is a maneuver as old as the hills to define truth tellers and dissenters from orthodoxy as psychiatric cases.

    Well, I could go on. But others have done it better than I.

    I’ll just say, “Thanks” to Gilad for his clear continued exposition of these issues.

    • Replies: @GeeBee
  89. Pheasant says:
    @melpol

    ‘The rest wandered off to die or be taken in as Converso slaves by German farmers. ‘

    The worst part is you have probably even convinced yourself this is true.

    • Replies: @melpol
  90. Pheasant says:
    @Anon

    ‘You will find that Jews do not “exhibit” superiority much, though. They don’t usually wear bling bling or buy gigantic trucks or display such other weird behaviors’

    Are you denying Jewish materialism?

    Look up the Yiddish word yicchus.

    Ever heard of a Jewish princess?

    • Replies: @Anon
  91. @Kali

    Our “Being” is undeniable…

    Being is totally deniable, and men have been denying this superfluous quale for as long as there has been philosophy — ask Kratoklastes what Gorgias was famous for, apart from being another Platonian foil.

    But, such is the quality of men, that they’ve never been able to resist abstracting their consciousness away from themselves, even as they imagine it to be the Grund thereof. Marx had much to say about all that.

  92. And one more thing …

    The Yerushalmi Law, “an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth” is an absurdity at best conjured up by godforsaken desert tribes bent on revenge for petty things which does not meld well with the humanist view of the Athenian lot and if the indolent and venal intelligentsia hadn’t been dependent on the Jewish money, they would have found a streak of just laws right in the Indo-European cultural backyard.

    If you fail to think for yourself then your nemesis must think for you!

  93. @Jslade

    I agree, my work is vindicated by reality itself… not bad:)

    • Replies: @Jslade
  94. @sarz

    why don’t you read The Wandering Who? and get back to me if you have something further to say…

    • Replies: @sarz
  95. @Marshall Lentini

    No contradiction between Athens and Alexandria…Athens is not a place, it is a concept…

    • Replies: @Marshall Lentini
  96. TKK says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    “They” offered you piles of money, heart’s desires and your stalwart ethics to…. expose the hypocrisy of Jews forced you to turn “them” down? Very much like Jesus or Job! An embraced life of hardship because of your devotion, your struggle, to expose Jews.

    Who is “they”? What specific entity? How did they make the offer? Wouldn’t a smart person accept the goodies and then keep writing their truth?

    If any of you rubes believe this self obsessed martyr, I’ve got some beach front property in Kansas to unload.

    • Replies: @Truth3
  97. Bookish1 says:
    @Rational

    You believe that anyone who claims to be chosen is a kook. If you take away everything that white race has contributed to create a civilization the entire world would be back in the cave, or close to it. Forgive me for fealing a little chooseness. I only think it is harmful if it used to suppress as jews use.

  98. Bookish1 says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    You believe that anyone who claims to be chosen is a kook. If you take away everything that white race has contributed to create a civilization the entire world would be back in the cave, or close to it. Forgive me for fealing a little chooseness. I only think it is harmful if it used to suppress as jews use.

    • Replies: @BDS Always
    , @ANZ
  99. BlackFlag says:
    @PeterMX

    Pure Ashkenazism are only 40-60% original stock Jewish. It’s probably more like 40%. Most of them marry out. The average Ashkenazi outside Israel is only 20-25% Chosen.
    It’s pretty easy to join the club these days too. They just accepted that freak Tarantino for example.

    • Replies: @PeterMX
  100. Truth3 says:
    @TKK

    TKK The Kinky Kike strikes again.

    Nice try asshole, but you come up short on so many fronts your handlers must be biting their elbows.

  101. Anon[112] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright

    @Colin Wright

    Of course I have. I grew up in the South, and my mom is a Southerner, my Dad, a Northerner. There is a noticeable difference in confidence between Southerners and Americans from all other parts of the country.

    Loudness, talkativeness, pushiness, ambition, work ethic, etc. are all greater in other parts of America. These people are livelier and heartier than Southerners. Southerners speak indirectly, probably because we fear offending the unstable people around us. The South, in comparison to anywhere else in the world, is creepy, dead, and eerie. Even Charlotte, Raleigh, Atlanta, etc. are this way in comparison to big cities in any other region.

    It is obvious to me that Southerners are low-energy and reticent because of social and psychological breakdown. You will notice the psychological breakdown among many Southerners you meet, though the ones in energetic evangelical churches are usually exceptions, and are happy extroverts.

    • Agree: utu
    • Disagree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Polemos
    , @renfro
  102. Agent76 says:

    November 17, 2019 ‘Burn it all down’ — Netanyahu attacks rival’s possible coalition with Palestinians

    Netanyahu said this in a video on his Facebook page. There is to be an emergency rally against the inclusion of Palestinian parties tonight in Israel.

    https://mondoweiss.net/2019/11/burn-it-all-down-netanyahu-attacks-rivals-possible-coalition-with-palestinians/

    Sep 10, 2019 Judaism, Zionism and Neturei Karta

    Interview with Rabbi Moshe Dov Beck, June 20, 2016, in Monsey NY.

  103. @Gilad Atzmon

    You may have forgotten certain unpleasant episodes in the latter city involving your people. I myself enjoy free debate, but lounging around debating is not my idea of a healthy state – Nietzsche agrees with me here.

  104. @Jake

    Disagree. The papist Mass is an absolute fraud. Christ’s sacrifice was perfect and can’t be repeated, particularly can’t to give worth to the careers of the re-sacrificers. That it is contradictory of the Gospel has been very very clearly shown in a number of historic documents, including the Paris Placards with their reliance on the Epistle to the Hebrews. Transubstantiation is a total sham. When Jesus broke bread and said “This is my body, broken for you. Do this in remembrance of me.” he did not instantly fall on the floor and cover it with blood. They all walked away from that table. And that’s only my argument.

    I wrote this because I wasn’t allowed to press the Disagree button.

  105. Anon[112] • Disclaimer says:
    @Pheasant

    I do not deny materialism, I deny that they show it off outwardly.

    Success and status is understood through word-of-mouth within the Jewish communities that they are attached to, which is what matters most to them (they have to keep up with the Steins and Goldbergs and so on).

    I think that Jews, for a long time now, have not displayed their wealth. Jewish students at top universities dress in ragged urban garb, or in a hipster style. Jewish tech professionals and startup millionaires in Brooklyn dress as hipsters. They spend their money not on outward status signals, but on vacations and food. The vacations (“stamps in your passport”) can be a status signal, but it is not an in-your-face, outward status signal that these researchers would be talking about.

  106. Jslade says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    Except that I’m.afraid it going to end up very bàd for all of us, Anyway my point is that every prophet”sees through the glass darkly” when he speculates about about the future. Now that it’s actually happening, your vision is improving You had to lose your illusion of being one of the chosen ones early on. I think soon all.of us will.see that Western progress is not inevitable and that having white skin doesn’t really mean any more than having the seed of Abraham. We all need to struggle against our unconscious beliefs of genetic superiority. A truly superior man lives up to a high code of conduct.

  107. Polemos says:
    @Anon

    Do you think of Louisiana as Southern in your terms or something else?

    Have you ever attended an SEC football game?

    • Replies: @Poco
  108. geokat62 says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    If X was like all other Ys, it wouldn’t be X, it would be Y, You can utilise this rule to yourself and your ppl.

    Gilad, you are an ex-Jew because you clearly think like an Athenian, flawlessly applying the rules of Aristotelian logic.

    You are, however, wasting your time trying to refute Fran’s ridiculous grievances using logic, for the simple reason once disclosed to us by the late Uri Avnery:

    LOGIC WAS not given to the People of Israel on Mount Sinai, but handed down from Mount Olympus to the ancient Greeks. In spite of this drawback, let us try to apply it.

    http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery/1205012429/

    btw – I’m supportive of your critical mission of re-Hellenizing the world.

    Stay strong… and keep fighting the good fight!

  109. Skeptikal says:
    @Dumbo

    “Someone said that once that Jews feel basically like “God’s ex-girlfriend” – they are jealous of Christians since the time they “stole” their God and delivered it to “all nations”. This is why they hate Christ so much.”

    OMG, love it!

    “He really always loved me more than that whore he ended up marrying, and he still does . . .”

    Carrying the torch for God . . .

    One question, though: I thought it was the Jews who kind of foisted “their” God onto the Christians, making the latter believe that the god they worshipped really belonged to the Jews, and the divorce had never been finalized.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  110. Skeptikal says:
    @renfro

    The Adler take on inferiority/superiority is generally accepted, to the point that you may be dealing with an obnoxious ego-maniac, and your friends will exhort you to show forbearance and sympathy for the ego-maniac or self-centered or clueless or tone-deaf or constantly insulting individual because the latter *really* has an inferiority complex.

    And I often push back with: No, some people really think they are superior. They tend to be narcissistic, which is also expressed in excessive self-involvement and cluelessness as to how one is perceived by others. This is the factor that leads to obnoxiousness.

    Why should we care about whether any Jews, or anyone, has a genuine or a “facade” superiority complex? We still have to deal with their behaviors. One cannot change other people, only oneself. The only way to deal with people is in terms of how they present themselves. If they do not “get” the feedback that you are providing, it is probably because they are permanently on “broadcast” and never on “receive.” It is a common feature of such personalities.
    Again, this is not something you can do anything about, unless you are engaged by such a person as a therapist.
    All you can do is adjust your own behavior accordingly. Like, avoid the person. Avoid the types of situations that provide the person with opportunities to make the gratuitous invidious comments that are a trademark of such people (a form of correction, of have-to-be-rightism). As they make such comments, ignore them and chalk them up to your observing their patterns so they don’t push your buttons and make you say something that sounds defensive. Limit interactions with such people. Do not confide in them. Try not to do business with them. I am currently dealing with such a person. She is not Jewish. Very self-involved. In a business setting, try to set things up so that youi are not have go-rounds with the person but everything is very cut-and-dried, according to the contract.

    Don’t get yourself into a tangle about people who present as superior by showing them sympathy that they have not actually asked for—projecting stuff onto them. Just deal with what they project.

  111. melpol says:
    @Pheasant

    Those that remained in the Shtetl were too poor or slow minded to raise the fare to come to America. They stayed and most died from famine or persecution. The cleverest and smartest came to NYC and prospered.

  112. @melpol

    Haven’t read about the Lower East Side ca. 1880-1945, have you? never been to Katz’s, Guss’ or Kossar’s? That’s ok. There’s yet time to read up on shit you don’t know but you thought you did.

    • Replies: @melpol
  113. GeeBee says:
    @Skeptikal

    Your comment is sound, but you left out the rather important corollary of Yaweh’s provenance. If, as you say, it was a case of ‘In the beginning man created God’ (in this case, Hebrews manufacturing a God that – surprise, surprise! – dutifully told its puppet-masters that they were ‘the chosen’) that rather leaves Christianity and Islam somewhat in the lurch…

  114. Anon[300] • Disclaimer says:

    I noticed that Israel Shamir has a donate button at the bottom of his article. I wish you did.

  115. Pheasant says:
    @melpol

    I was specifically referring to your claim that gentile German farmers enslaved Jews and baptised them.

    Care to elaborate?

    • Replies: @melpol
  116. @Skeptikal

    ‘One question, though: I thought it was the Jews who kind of foisted “their” God onto the Christians, making the latter believe that the god they worshipped really belonged to the Jews, and the divorce had never been finalized.’

    I see the problem here as there being a logical flaw with tolerance.

    Traditionally, both Christianity and Islam practiced ‘replacement’ theology: ‘we’re the new chosen people! Those who don’t join us are in error, and refusing to admit it.’ That’s certainly the traditional Christian position, and although they’re more polite about it, that’s the Muslim position as well. Christ’s/Mohammed’s revelation is the correct version. Islam will let you keep running a corrupted operating system if you insist, but…

    Well, logically, that works. Obviously, it can’t please all parties at once, but logically, it works.

    The problem comes when you try to fit in that tolerance stuff: ‘we’re right — but they’re right too!’

    Well, that’s certainly more neighborly, but logically, it’s an impossibility. God doesn’t change his mind. Exactly one of the three Abrahamic faiths is correct in all respects. Perhaps none are — but definitely not all three at once.

    • Replies: @GeeBee
  117. @melpol

    Any proof for your statement “Many Ashkenazim children were kidnaped by Mongolian tribesmen, years later they led the tribe”????

    • Replies: @melpol
  118. melpol says:
    @Marshall Lentini

    Shtetl survivors who came to NYC were faced with hard times due to the recession. But once WW2 arrived they prospered as the economy surged. Due to their inherited smarts and cleverness 90% of American Jews earn above the average income. This proves survivors off the Shtetl were selectively chosen as the best.

    • Replies: @Poco
  119. BlackFlag says:
    @Anon

    Jewish women often don’t want to marry out? That was in the 70s.

    About 50% do. Male goy/female jewess is about as common as female goy/male jew.

    https://forward.com/news/192698/jewish-woman-is-new-face-of-intermarriage-pew-stud/

    “According to Cohen, three times as many Jewish men intermarried before 1970 as women. But between 2000 and 2013, slightly more Jewish women intermarried than men.”

    • Replies: @Anon
  120. Too much stuff in the article. I will just address a few issues I deem pertinent.

    Athens and Jerusalem. The author is right; we could Jerusalem replace with Levant. This is a Levantine way of thinking or sensibility: a chosen community under wrath of a jealous deity. That’s what Joseph Campbell writes in pt. 2 of his magnum opus, “Masks of God”, “Oriental mythology” (The Signatures of the Four Great Domains; The Two Loyalties of Europe and the Levant ). I would recommend his other works in this works in this series, especially “Occidental mythology”, where he analyzes, among other things, Hebrew world-view & mythology.

    However, a number of contrasts are to be noted between the Greek and Hebrew mythological accents; for “Greek theology,” as F. M. Cornford has observed, “was not formulated by priests nor even by prophets, but by artists, poets and philosophers. . . . There was no priestly class guarding from innovating influence a sacred tradition enshrined in a sacred book. There were no divines who could successfully claim to dictate the terms of belief from an inexpugnable fortress of authority.” The mythology, consequently, remains fluid, as poetry; and the gods are not literally concretized, like Yahweh in the garden, but are known to be just what they are: personifications brought into being by the human creative imagination.

    Moreover, in relation to whatever conflict of values might arise between the inhuman, cosmic forces symbolized in the figures of the gods and the highest principles of humanity represented in their heroes, the loyalty and sympathy of the Greeks, typically, were on the side of man. It is true that the boldest, greatest thoughts of the human heart inevitably come against the cosmic counterforce, so that there is ever present the danger of being cut in half. Wherefore, prudence is to be observed, lest we should go next in bassorelievo. However, never do we hear from the Greek side any such fundamental betrayal of the human cause as is normal and even required in the Levant. The words of the sorely beaten, “blameless and upright” Job, addressed to a god who had “destroyed him without cause,” may be taken to represent the pious, submissive, priestly ideal of all of the great religions of that zone. “Behold, I am of small account. … I lay my hand upon my mouth. . . . I know that thou canst do all things. … I despise myself and repent in dust and ashes.”

    The Greek Prometheus, in contrast, likewise terribly tortured by a god who could fill the head of Leviathan with harpoons, yet standing by his human judgment of the being responsible for this torment, shouts, when ordered to capitulate: “I care less than nothing for Zeus. Let him do what he likes.” On the one hand: the power of God who is great, against whom all such merely human categories break as mercy, justice, goodness, and love; and, on the other: the titanic builder of the City of Man, who has stolen heavenly fire, courageous and willing to bring upon himself the responsibility of his own decisions. These are the two discordant great themes of what may be termed the orthodox Occidental mythological structure: the poles of experience of an ego set apart from nature, maturing values of its own, which are not those of the given world, yet still projecting on the universe a notion of anthropomorphic fatherhood—as though it should ever have possessed, or might ever come to possess, either in itself or in its metaphysical ground, the values, sensibilities and intelligence, decency and nobility of a man!

    To recapitulate: Athens, as the principle, has won, globally. It is not just a historical heritage; it is how modern world is defined & sees itself.

    As for Jerusalem, this is, in modern context, a religious nationalism of the Levantine kind (Jews, various Muslims, perhaps some fundamentalist Christians,..). Gilad Atzmon has, true, dissected Jewish nationalism & has shown it is not a unified structure.

    But, in my opinion- Jewy Jews are a people, separate people. They have a historical culture, ethnic memory, language (Hebrew), a sense of common destiny plus extra paraphernalia (calendar, food taboos, literature- not just religious, music, …). Gilad thinks- I presume- that the entire superstructure of Jewish nationalism (or Jewish separate identity) would collapse if Jews would simply dump chosenness & their spiritual arrogance. But- this is wrong. Contemporary Israel is, if we are to use those archetypal notions, Athens, not Jerusalem.

    Secular Jewish nationalists in Israel derive their position from Zionism, which is a typical late 19th C Eastern European national program. There is no need to go back to Levantine notions of life; as imperfect as she is, Israel is not a theocracy.

    The struggle between Israeli Jews & Palestinian Arabs is the conflict of two competing national-religious identities for the same piece of land. It is not essentially different from other national conflicts (French-German; German- Polish; ..). In this case, Israel is basically Athens planted on Jerusalem soil; Palestinian Arabs are pure & unadulterated Jerusalem.

    Be as it may, Jews are there because of the workings of history. There is no easy solution, even if Israelis dispense with their religious nutjobs. The best, or the least bad, solution is separation of these two peoples: Jews and Arabs.

    • Thanks: utu
    • Replies: @utu
    , @Robjil
  121. Poco says:
    @Polemos

    The person you are questioning is stupid. Truly stupid. See Renfro’s reply to his idiocy.

  122. melpol says:
    @Pheasant

    Shtetl life was very brutal, there was only enough work for the smartest and cleverest. Rather than starve the slow minded in their search for food emigrated to German owned farmlands and were baptized before hired. If most of the Shtetl population were without food, they surely would travel to the German owned farms to be fed. Farmers rarely hire those with conflicting religions and Baptised those before hiring them. There are many Jews who claim their grandfathers became Baptized to survive. There is no documentation for these events but only memories of what was passed on from the now dead.

  123. Poco says:
    @melpol

    Selection doesn’t work that way. It doesn’t have a thing to do with “best.”

    • Replies: @melpol
  124. Wally says:
    @melpol

    said:
    “they stayed and most died from famine or persecution.”

    – What “persecution” was that?

    Myth and the Russian Pogroms, by Andrew Joyce: https://www.unz.com/article/myth-and-the-russian-pogroms/

    – Jews were found to be loathsome by everyone, everywhere, every time, long before Christians.

    Complete list of Jewish Expulsions / Jews expelled from over 1,000 places in history: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12596

    • Replies: @melpol
  125. melpol says:
    @Rev. Spooner

    Moses evolved to become Egyptian royalty. So did the Jewish children kidnapped by the Mongol hoards. It happens every time. Raise a Lion cub among kittens and get what is expected.

  126. anonymous[194] • Disclaimer says:
    @utu

    Her reasoning has mathematical nature that’s why it is so clear, pure and distilled to the bare bones.

    Must be how she came to the logical conclusion that 3 = 1.

    A genius indeed.

  127. melpol says:
    @Poco

    BEST was used by me as a shortcut but natural selection would work if only smart and clever Jews could afford to raise children.

  128. renfro says:
    @Anon

    Loudness, talkativeness, pushiness, ambition, work ethic, etc. are all greater in other parts of America.

    oh dear, a Jew down on Southerners…why am I not surprised.
    Still smarting from being shunned by polite society because of your loudness, pushiness and crudeness eh?

    You aren’t a Southerner because if you were you’d know that Southerners suffer from a true superiority complex…..which is both a fault and a virtue in some cases.
    You’ve no doubt tried out some of your pushiness on a Southerner who responded with…”well there you go” and walked away…..which is the standard polite brush off way of saying ‘not interested in you or your opinions..

    One of the funny examples of this was once when I went to court to pay a ticket and this Yankee who retired here was ranting to the judge about his ticket and how this wasn’t the way it was done in Podunk NJ or where ever …..the judge got tired of it and brought the gavel down and told him to pay the ticket. Once the man had moved aside the Judge address the courtroom and asked….”’are there any more Yankees in this courtroom who moved down here to save the South”….and the room erupted in laughter.
    I’ve been told by every Yankee I’ve known since my college days of hanging out in NY with a college classmate that the reason they dont like us is we dont care what anyone else thinks.
    I guess thats pretty much true ….but I dont care….lol

    • Agree: Sam J.
    • Replies: @Anon
  129. Skeptikal says:
    @bispora

    That is one amazing animation.

    I hope that last boulder stays on top . . .

  130. anonymous[194] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    It is “lol” inducing to think that the average Indian as part of the western world diaspora considers him/herself as superior. It is clearly a coping mechanism to mask their own racial inferiority complexes. Indians worship fair/white skin.

    Currently, the Indians have a sense that their Hindu culture is greatly morally superior.

    Here are some examples of superior hindoos;

  131. sarz says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    …why don’t you read The Wandering Who? and get back to me if you have something further to say…

    Is this some sort of punishment? Let me guess. Did you put the story of your great grandmother in that book? You won’t connect me with my internet ID, but I wrote to you many years before TWW asking you to tell the truth about the Holocaust. I am not at liberty to quote your reply, but not too long after you told the story of your ancestress who breathed her last at Auschwitz. You also mentioned the long march of inmates who chose to go back to Germany with the Germans. This incident is uncontested in Jewish lore, so it’s the thin end of a wedge. That’s the closest you have come in public that I know of to admitting that the Holocaust story is a crock of shit.

    I saw your recent whine about why are they always picking on me when I’ve done nothing bad. Including denying the Holocaust. You say it yourself. We are of course always revising our beliefs. But you would not hesitate to say the earth orbits the sun. Hey, that’s being in time. You affirm your stand. There is a huge lie which the Jews have used to lever their way into someone else’s homeland, and which they are using as a cover for depredations against many other peoples. It needs to be called out. If you won’t do it, for whatever reason, then shut up and just blow your horn. You are taking up valuable space.

    • Agree: Saggy
  132. melpol says:
    @Wally

    Persecution of Jews traveled through time, they were always beaten and robbed. Mongol, Cossack, and Nazis were just a few who decimated the Jewish population. But due to their innate genetic properties Jews survived to become leading entrepreneurs and bankers.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Wally
  133. GeeBee says:

    ‘Persecution of Jews travelled through time, they were always beaten and robbed’

    And right there we see a stunning example of – what’s your word for this? – ah yes: chutzpah. Your tribe had been robbing, swindling, huckstering, cheating, and yes – beating – the gullible goyim wherever you perceive that there are rich pickings to be had, since Pharaonic Egypt. Whether it’s tax-farming, coin-clipping or good, old-fashioned usury (ie robbing all trade and commerce by exacting ‘the Jews’ take from each honest transaction). But when the goyim have the audacity to call you out on your – let’s just call it by its real name – parasitic leeching, it’s ‘Oy veh! Muh sufferinks!’

    As one of your own (Henry Kissinger) wisely observed: ‘anyone who’s been kicked out of over a hundred countries must be doing something wrong’.

    Not that you’ll be kicked out of anywhere else anytime soon, now that you’ve got the goyim where you always wanted us, which is to say duped by your second-most devious scam. I refer to ‘democracy’, that pernicious and fatal system of mis-governance owned and manipulated by your tribe to serve its own ends, while the ever-gullible goyim have been programmed dutifully to genuflect to this ‘fairest of all systems’.

    (We needn’t go into the most pernicious scam of them all here, namely the Jewish ploy to weaponise the goyim in their service against Imperial Rome that we know as Christianity. Gosh! Wouldn’t its architect Saul of Tarsus be astonished to see his little game still alive and kicking after almost two thousand years?).

    • Agree: Kali
    • Replies: @BDS Always
    , @Truth3
  134. utu says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Thanks for the references and quotes and no thanks for your own interpretations which is mostly cucky.

  135. @melpol

    First time I hear of this.
    converso slaves?
    Not paid labourers?

    • Replies: @melpol
  136. AaronB says:

    A good culture will have a bit of Athens and a bit of Jerusalem. You need both.

    More and more, I am beginning to see the futility of one sided solutions. And more and more when I examine healthy cultures, they seem to me based on a reconciliation of opposites.

    I think we need to reject Manichean, dualistic solutions and realize that each side in a polarity has some truth to it, and rejecting entirely one pole leads to insanity because it leaves out an essential piece of reality.

    The best years of the West seem based on the integration of Athens and Jerusalem.

    • Replies: @Bookish1
  137. Anon[112] • Disclaimer says:
    @BlackFlag

    That is a good counterpoint, and is very interesting.

    The intermarriage thing was not exactly central to my rant, but it is still interesting.

    For fun, I’ll try to salvage the point anyways.

    I’d explain this as being due to weakened Jewish identity in the USA. Recent Russian Jewish immigrants I have met are almost completely out-of-touch with Jewish identity; it is like a factoid to them, like having Dutch heritage or something.

    Many secularized Jews have a mostly political identity (Bernie Sanders is a prototype of this) and are probably not plugged into Jewish culture, which makes them not too different from white liberals (who also have a bit of a moral superiority complex obviously), which is not good enough to prevent intermarriage.

    The last explanation is that Jewish identity, among serious Jews, has gotten significantly less ethnic in the past few decades as racialism has gotten more unacceptable. And so the Jewish sense of superiority must take a “cultural” angle, which means that Jewish women must be willing to marry a gentile who would “convert” to their “religion.” This would not be too dissimilar from a sense of superiority that exists mildly in Mormonism.

    • Replies: @BlackFlag
  138. Anon[112] • Disclaimer says:
    @renfro

    Your comments are all straight-up insane. I am not pushy, I am the least pushy person in the world. I don’t really like pushiness either, but it is a sign of confidence.

    You embody the sad thing about the South: insane white males.

    To me, it is obvious that this is a result of fear (of possible critics or of African Americans), frustration, hopelessness, and a guilt burden that is too great to bear (hence the phenomenon of some Southerners doing everything in their power to deny, relativize, make excuses for, etc. their people’s history). It is a never-ending cycle; a hopeless dystopia.

    Your unwillingness to care what others think is probably a mixture of insanity and very low-IQ, not a superiority complex.

    • Replies: @renfro
    , @Colin Wright
  139. melpol says:
    @but an humble craftsman

    Baptized Jews were never treated as equals by the farmer. They were housed in barns and fed as payment for their labor. Ordinary laborers demanded fair wages and despised the low paid Baptized Converseso. Barns full of the Converso were often burned by angry Gentile laborers. Baptized Jews escaped their bondage by fleeing to urban centers. They then returned to Judaism and attended Synagogue services.

  140. @melpol

    ‘…Mongol, Cossack, and Nazis were just a few who decimated the Jewish population…’

    It’s pretty typical of a Jew to think the Mongols somehow singled Jews out.

    • Replies: @melpol
  141. @Gilad Atzmon

    Ancient Greece came first; simplifies things.

    “Athens vs. Jerusalem” is a fine metaphor for the binary Coke vs. Pepsi/Ford vs. Chevy West.

  142. Robjil says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Gilad sees the western world, so- called a secular one as Jerusalemite.

    He is right. Here is good explanation for why he is right about this. This blogger was reviewing his “Being in Time” book.

    https://platosguns.com/2017/06/24/athens-versus-jerusalem/

    One observes that since the controversial establishment of the State of Israel, the Jerusalem school has had an accelerated progress. Inside of 70 years, Jerusalemites, with feverish dedication have successfully installed their peculiar brand of anarchy through the aggressive spread of divisive Identitarian Politics, tyrannical Political Correctness, ruinous Predatory Economics, vampirical Controlled Opposition, as well as a most lethal form of warmongering Jewish Power – all simultaneously and insidiously injected into Western societies. Jerusalem has evidently delivered us nothing but endless warfare overseas and palpable instability and dystopia in our Western societies. It has brought us a non-humanistic world. It has given us a lowering of citizen morale and an increase in barbaric immorality where might over right is normalized. Jerusalem has steeped us in an absurd environment where decadent perversions are permitted, but freedom of speech is curtailed. A world where freedom of thought is punished instead of promoted.

    This is the reason that Unz site is so popular. The huddled masses of the world are tired and weary of being tormented by our Jerusalemite rulers for the past hundred years.

    • Thanks: Kali
  143. We’ll see you at the traditional Latin Mass soon, please, God. Thanks for all that you do…..carry on.

  144. renfro says:
    @Anon

    Your unwillingness to care what others think is probably a mixture of insanity and very low-IQ, not a superiority complex.

    I still don’t care…LOL

  145. melpol says:
    @Colin Wright

    Khazaria had a large Jewish population before being decimated by Mongol swarms. Jews fled and Scattered throughout the region. Survivors of the Mongol defeat became merchants and traders. Again the Jews were challenged by Cossack and Nazi Bigots. Some Jews survived and prospered in NYC and London.

  146. PeterMX says:
    @BlackFlag

    You are stupid. If a Jew is dedicated to advancing the interests of his own people (which usually or always includes preserving Israel as a Jewish state) it does not matter what percentage Jewish he is and Sepharfdic Jews can be 100% Jews and 0% Ashkenazi. The blatast hypocrisy of thee Jews is astounding and the US government has affirmed that the country the Jews created on stolen Arab land is Jewish and has a right to stay that way, while European peoples that have lived in Europe for thousands of years must have their peoples and cultures wiped out thru multiculturalism.

    Arabs that were ethnically cleansed from Israel are forbidden from returning to their homes while Jews lead the push to have the European peoples and cultures destroyed.

    • Replies: @BlackFlag
  147. Anon[350] • Disclaimer says:

    By the time I wrote Being in Time I understood that my struggle has implications that far exceed my initial intellectual objectives. What we face as western subjects is a massive battle between Athens and Jerusalem, where Athens is the birthplace of Western thought and Jerusalem is the city of revelation. Athens teaches us how to think, Jerusalem demands our obedience.

    I feel confident you have read Jewish thinker Lev Shestov’s Athens and Jerusalem. When I searched for that text, I noticed that there are a few books on the Athens & Jerusalem theme, and most (if not all) were written by Jews.

    I want to note that Jerusalem has been the place of two, deeply diverging (and almost opposite to each other) revelations. They both demand obedience, but the second revelation’s demanded obedience is of a very special nature, and along its way I found glee and joy that the roads of Athens never led me to, nor, I think, could ever lead to.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  148. Wally says:
    @melpol

    – So then, what proof do you have that innocent Jews were “decimated” by Mongols, Cossacks, and Nazis?

    – Along with that proof, of course, tell us what happened. Where? When? How many? How?

    Readers of this site want to know.

    • Replies: @melpol
    , @Skeptikal
  149. Alden says:
    @Anon

    How is a million to 5 million dollar Bar Mitzvah not bling? How are \$300 dollar hair cuts and \$700 dye jobs not bling? What about the endless award dinners where they get all dressed up, pay \$2,000 a ticket and give each other awards?

    • Replies: @Anon
  150. @Bookish1

    “If you take away everything that white race has contributed to create a civilization the entire world would be back in the cave, or close to it”

    Absolute Nonsense..

    1001 INVENTIONS AND THE LIBRARY OF SECRETS.

    https://1001inventions.com/

    • Disagree: Pheasant
  151. BlackFlag says:
    @PeterMX

    Oh, I’m completely aware of the hypocrisy and self-interestedness of the Jewish community as well as the fecklessness of the European goy leadership. It’s like watching a few sheepdogs boss around a herd of sheep.

    But besides spite, it’s for nought cause the Ashkenazism are succumbing to the same fate as the goy elite.

    Of my 11 half-Jewish millennial relatives, not one has married another Jew or even another mischiling.

    As for the Jews in the Luke Ford show, they’re all mischilings. It’s funny to see a guy like Doovid talk about the blood of the prophet running through his veins and base his whole life around Judaism even though he’s only half of half (i.e. 20-25%).

    • Agree: Pheasant
  152. Bookish1 says:
    @AaronB

    Germany was a damn good culture and it didn’t have a bit if Jerusalem. We dont need both.

  153. Robjil says:
    @Anon

    It would be nice if Jerusalemitism stayed at the personal level.

    The problem we have since 12.23.1913 in the western world is that our rulers carried their mandated Jerusalemite theme to all of us without allowing us to take it at our personal level.

    Good to hear that you have a good Jerusalemite theme at a personal level.

    For the billions of us that are brutally enforced 24/7 a mandated Jerusalemite theme by our Zion rulers, enough is enough. The huddled masses of the world are yearning to be free of our primitive Jerusalemite rulers.

    Thanks, Gilad and Unz for giving a voice to humanity that yearns to a be free again.

  154. Johan says:

    The Western ‘Goy’ and Jews who want to promote the Western humanist view(s), should focus on the structural level. If we keep fighting about trifles we get lost in a messy pile of alleged facts and wild speculation, endless arguments and counter-arguments, this is what most commentors on unz engage in.

    The whole thing about fake news and fact checking for instance is merely something which is invented for the small time public, for the demos, who, due to the ruling ideological illusions of democracy at large still believe in facts and the possibility of objectivity of media. Meanwhile, on the top level, they sell imaginative narratives, product of elite interests, as the imaginative narrative is where the real power is. They are intelligent enough to know that facts are useless, unless of direct and immediate practical importance, and unless in a very limited context, and that people at large, predominantly are not at all fact driven, but driven emotionally-imaginative. If the public is continually occupied with facts, bombarded with piles, their heads become a total mess of facts, if in addition then, they are hyper-regulated like in our current democracies, they have no time and space to form imaginative vision for themselves, or to investigate alternative visionaries.

    Structurally the white Westerners are materialist-objectivist, the Jews are materialist subjectivists. This concerns dominating qualities, not exclusive qualities. In order to understand the Jew, instead of endless complaining, the Goy needs to understand that the Jew, being a subjectivist is a story teller, he is extremely talented in the area of imagination. Ninety-eight percent of what we Westerners think we know, and what we think is factually true is actually wild speculation and fantasy on the basis of a mix of a mess of facts wrongly interpreted, wrongly combined, wrongly concluded, premature concluded, ridiculously simplified, or downright false. The Jew does not concern himself so much with facts, he is occupied with forming narratives which are functional to his interests.

    Imagination is key to the progress of an individual life, as well as the life of a collective.
    The point here is that as truth and reason (logic) oriented Westerners, we have a certain disadvantage here. Western culture gave the world science because of the materialist-objectivist approach, which is why the Western world rules in the area of science (which has been copied and proceeded by other cultures in the world, often by copycatting). Though, at the same time, this obsession with objectivity, facts, logic, has led to the situation that we have neglected the area of imagination, of creating visions of the future, collectively.
    The Jew then, being highly talented in this area, has jumped into this gap, in a post war situation where there was a huge lack of visionary imagination. They have fanatically jumped into this gap and by now are dominating in all spheres which have to do with imagination. Thus they are highly present in the media (media is per definition about few facts and loads of imaginative speculation), highly present in the area of entertainment, movies, literature, tech (tech is very important as the control of vision here leads to materialist futurist vision), and in the highest spheres of political and ideological institutions where he guides the vision. The EU for instance is a Jew project, with the aid of non Jew establishments who are out on control, or some, simply ideologically blinded or at best naively well intentioned. The EU is a project which gained its power because the destructive post war times and an inevitable amount of increasing globalization demanded new vision (a people without vision perishes). As such it is powerful imaginative vision from the top which guides the vision of the lower layers of society in a great multitude of areas.
    The Jew, exceptions define the rule (and there are quite a few exceptions) does not bother himself with facts, all his cards are those of imagination with which by now, he guides the greater part of Europe, the US, Canada and Australia. Even the stronghold on the financial sector, without the talent of imaginative vision would mean nothing, the money is merely the means.

    Another imaginative project of the Jew is the holocaust industry, as readers here know it is a financial milking cow, but the financial aspect is of very minor importance, they are intelligent enough to get their hands on resources real or created by means of bubbles otherwise. The cult of the holocaust with its numerous propaganda centres and its extensive agenda of rituals are spread throughout the whole of the West because of the psychological impact.
    The issue here is that those who are willing to admit their historical faults, whether individuals or collectives, can be easily become prey to those who do not engage in self-reflection and self-criticism, those who rather on the contrary engage in narratives of grandeur, and of course, victimhood.
    Psychologically, the preparedness of the Western white man, to admit historical faults, including slavery and barbarian behaviour during colonialism, initially a trait rooted in growing humanism, has become the target of enemies, both Jew and internal enemies, so the man (the culture) willing to engage in self-criticism is by now constantly daily attacked, his willingness to admit his faults is heavily exploited in order to subjugate, marginalize, denounce and reshape him according to the visions of the new elites. This attack is enacted both by Jews and corrupted white establishments, loads cooperative of spine-less people, and in general internal (Western) enemies. As such, the Westerner is refused his own visionary imagination, his own ideas, he is constantly pushed into a corner and framed into situation which is beneficial to his enemies. Collectively this has an enormous impact.
    Psychologically, an individual who is prepared to admit past faults can easily become the prey and be dominated instinctively by an individual who makes abuse of such a self-reflection and willingness to engage in some self-criticism, and this can also happen to a collective.

    By now, there are thousands of articles concerning the attack on the white man, but they are mostly all in the defensive and or analytical corner… attacking false logic, attacking loads of inconsistencies, attacking hypocrisy etc. Their is often no imaginative visionary power in them, while these are often present in the articles of the global elites.
    At least there is a little bit of vision formation here in this article, in the last paragraphs.
    But what Athens, if that stands for truth, may accomplish is not much, the truth is also that we still know very very little of reality, of cause and effect, of what is potentially possible, and that we mostly have to proceed by means of imaginative narratives which we create on the basis of our currently best efforts .

    Whether it is an individual or a collective, to engage in continual discussions and argument with people who are clearly exploiters means that one is driven into a corner of which there is no way out, it means to be frozen into the past. The only way out is to ignore the accuser, to refuse to spend energy on his continuous endless suggestions, to leave him to himself, to not feed the accuser (the corrupt Western propaganda apparatus as a whole), but to form ones own vision about the future.

    • Agree: utu, Pheasant, BlackFlag
  155. @melpol

    You should write a book about……Egypt and other delusions

  156. renfro says:

    The Question Begging to be Answered by Jews.

    For years listening to Jews from Debbie Wasserman and multiple dozens of other Jews promoting Jews and Israel…they all claim and say…….. “The US has a moral obligation to Israel “
    I’ve never been in a room when it was said naturally so never had the chance to ask speaker why they think the US has any moral ‘obligation’ to Jews or Israel

    Does anyone here think we have a ‘moral obligation’to Jewish Israel?
    If so , why?

    https://www.jta.org/2020/02/11/opinion/mike-bloomberg-anti-semitism-is-a-problem-on-the-right-and-the-left-heres-how-id-combat-it-from-day-one

    Here’ s Bloomberg making the same claim.

    ”The Jewish state in the Holy Land is a solemn obligation of the United States, ”

    • Replies: @renfro
  157. Art says:

    the Jewish unconscious is the fear that the ‘Goyim Know.’ Their torment is that people ‘out there’ will start to converse about what has taken place in front of their eyes:

    In this excellent article, Gilad points out most clearly that the Jews fear us knowing them. They must shut down all conversation about themselves. Our coerced US government is doing that for them. Here is an example.

    US bars entry to researcher who exposes Israeli rights abuses
    Maureen Clare Murphy Rights and Accountability 21 February 2020

    The US has effectively denied entry to Eyal Weizman, founder of the research group Forensic Architecture.

    Forensic Architecture, based in the UK, uses groundbreaking methodologies such as digital forensics and spatial analysis to expose human rights abuses. The group has published several investigations concerning Israeli violations against Palestinians.

    Weizman, who holds Israeli and British passports, was due to travel to the US for Forensic Architecture’s first major survey in the country at Miami Dade College’s Museum of Art and Design.

    The exhibition, titled Forensic Architecture: True to Scale, opened on Thursday and runs through late September.

    https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/maureen-clare-murphy/us-bars-entry-researcher-who-exposes-israeli-rights-abuses

    Do No Harm and Do No Business – with the inferior immoral Jews.

  158. Skeptikal says:
    @Colin Wright

    “So if virtually all Jews support Zionism, shouldn’t we blame Jews in general for Israel’s crimes? Could she continue to perpetrate them if the majority of Jews actually rebelled and said ohne mich’?

    Get back to me when that happens. Then we can take care to distinguish between Jews in general and the bad Jews who support Israel. God forbid we unfairly condemn anyone.”

    We don’t hesitate to speak of good Germans and bad Germans.
    The same should go for Jews.
    If they show that they are foes of Zionism, of the Zionist project, of Zionist support structures, of the “is it good for the Jews” mentality, and so forth, then they are “good Jews.”

    I see no reason NOT to apply this standard to this nationality, as they insist they are.

    Two novelists in the fifties also introduced the phrase “the “ugly American.” It became a concept and a meme—Literate people and others the world who had not read the eponymous book knew exactly what that meant. “”Ugly American” is a stereotype depicting American citizens as exhibiting loud, arrogant, demeaning, thoughtless, ignorant, and ethnocentric behavior mainly abroad, but also at home.” And the phrase obviously implied that there were Americans who were NOT “ugly.” I.e., who were normal decent people.

    Then there is “perfidious Albion.” The impoerial Brits caused enough death and destruction and mayhem and immiseration in the world to earn their own negative stereotypes (of course there are also positive stereotypes of the English).

    Again, if such stereotypes can be recognized and validated in the case of Amercans and Germans, and others, I see no reason why we cannot speak of “the ugly Jew” or “the good/bad Jew.”

    Not to mention the outrageous negative stereotyping—based on nothing but amounting to outright racism—that it is currently fashionable to wield against the Russians.

    Honestly, I see no reason to spare Jews the rod of negative stereotypes. And, conversely, the encomiums for those who can prove that they are indeed “good Jews.”

  159. Point is : I never trust a jew.

  160. melpol says:
    @Wally

    Proof about Mongol and Cossack attacks against Jews are impossible to verify. But if Jews lived in their midst it is common sense that they were targeted. Nazi crimes against Jews is documented and true. But the volume of these crimes are disputed and never will be known.

  161. Skeptikal says:
    @melpol

    “My Belarus family came from a long line of Shtetl survivors.”

    Glad to see this admission that the shtetl, a creation of Jews, was a milieu to escape from if possible.

    This usage clearly implies that the shtetl was something pretty bad that only a few “survived.” IOW Melpol’s usage lumps the shtetl together with concentration camps by his use of the “survivor” meme.

    So who created the shtetl? The quality of life for Jews in Eastern European shtetls was largely determined by the rabbis who lorded it over them and controlled every aspect of life for these poor people.

    It is really weird that so many of these “survivors” and their descendants seem to wax nostalgic about their “Fiddler on the Roof” shtetl lives that they were so eager to escape. Life in an Eastern European shtetl was indeed comparable to life in a concentration camp. Those who “escaped” were likely to be expunged from the Jewish community entirely, which was traumatic for these “Chosen.” Those rabbis liked to run their “flocks” with an iron hand! They were unappealing slobs, physically.

    • Replies: @melpol
  162. melpol says:

    Showing off of personal wealth is not only a Jewish thing. Most multi-million dollar mansions are not owned by Jews. Jewesses love to sport their diamond rings and necklaces. It shows how valuable is their sex appeal. Standing outside the Synagogue on a Jewish holiday one will see the entrance of a fashion parade. It is not morally wrong to flash wealth, but wrong to have no wealth to flash.

  163. renfro says:
    @Johan

    Whether it is an individual or a collective, to engage in continual discussions and argument with people who are clearly exploiters means that one is driven into a corner of which there is no way out, it means to be frozen into the past. The only way out is to ignore the accuser, to refuse to spend energy on his continuous endless suggestions, to leave him to himself, to not feed the accuser (the corrupt Western propaganda apparatus as a whole), but to form ones own vision about the future.

    To Form a vision is one thing.
    To ‘create’ your vision usually involves removing the impediments that stand in your way.

    As Carl Rove famously said in the Bush warring WH………”We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors … and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”

    So no , we cannot ignore the exploiters …..we must confront them, put them in the corner with our story of America vr their stories.
    That is what Americans must learn to do in regard to Jewish story telling and Israel. or the reality will be living in the Jewish created reality.

    Play offence ,not defense.

  164. BlackFlag says:
    @Anon

    Well, I agree with your ‘rant.’ Groups need a superiority complex or to at least view themselves as special in order to thrive.

    I’m reminded of one of Unz’s articles on Nazi/Jewish worldview. He said it seemed that the mythos the Nazis created was like a lite version of Judaism. Maybe Hitler and co. saw his people were missing that and so sort of cobbled together the Aryan mythology.

  165. @Johan

    The “goy” doesn’t know what a “Jew” is or isn’t

  166. Skeptikal says:
    @Wally

    Mdelpol’s response is risible.
    The Mongols targeted everyone in their path.
    They did not single out Jews.
    What utter nonsense.

    And after the Mongols blew through, some Jews went to London or Lower Manhattan, where they lived happily ever after.

    A true historian!!

  167. melpol says:
    @Skeptikal

    No wedding could be performed without the blessings of the Shtetl Rabbi. The blessings were only given if the Rabbi had first crack at the brides virginity. Those that didn’t receive his blessing were forced out of the community. Wages were taxed and there was just enough left over for food. Escape was possible if enough was saved for passage. The good life in America was the dream of every Shtetl rag picker and shit shoveler. Even a few Shtetl Rabbis cashed in and left, they wanted a chance to take a hot shower in NYC.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  168. renfro says:
    @renfro

    My imaginary conversation with Debbie Wasserman or Bloomberg.

    Debbie…
    ”The US has a moral obligation to the Jewish State.”

    Me…
    Why do you say that?

    Debbie…
    Because everyone abandoned the Jews in the war and we deserve our own country.

    Me…..
    How did everyone abandoned the Jews?

    Debbie….
    They didn’t save us from the Nazis and the camps.

    Me…..
    No military commander at the time believed the allies could invade camps and get the Jews out and all agreed that bombing the camps would kill more prisoners and also agreed that bombing railroad track was futile because they could be repaired in half a day…and both these would have put allies planes in danger when they were badly needed in our two front war.

    Debbie….
    Well, they could have tried to rescue us.

    Me…..
    We didn’t even try to rescue our own POWs in Japan who suffered as much in camps as the Jews did.

    Debbie….
    Well you didn’t let a boat load of Jews on the St Louis into the US and turned them back to be killed.

    Me…..
    No country at war is going to let a boat load of people in when there was no way to tell if any might be German agents or sympathizers. The St. Louis was sent to two countries not yet occupied by Germany at Roosevelt order, of the 900 some on the boat 600 some survived and 300 some were captured by Germany. We had already put our own Japanese citizens in camps which should tell you how seriously we took the threat of subversives.

    Debbie….
    But we were Jews.

    Me…..
    Is there any difference between the million of Europeans being killed by German bombing of cities and Jews being killed? Were we suppose to put one group of people above another in terms of people under threat and being killed?

    Debbie..
    Yes, because we were being targeted.

    Me….
    All Germany’s enemies were being targeted. People killed in London by bombs was also targeted.
    So explain to me why the US should have put men and planes and scarce resources at risk when they were badly needed in the main fight against Germany advancing on other countries and Japan and diverted them to what would be a useless and probably suicidal mission to save just the Jews?

    Debbie…..
    Because we are Jews.

    • Replies: @anon
  169. Skeptikal says:
    @melpol

    This account pretty much proves my point.
    What an awful community.
    Created by Jews to control Jews.

    This is the point made also by Israel Shahak.
    Before Jews were ever victims of Nazis or “anti-semites” they were victims of their own rabbinical Herrenvolk.
    The poor Jews were the victims of their own awful culture.
    No wonder the goyim were disgusted.
    But the Jews blame all of their problems on the goyim, not on their own tyrannical rebsnd the psychic legacy of growing up terrorized by these gross, horny old men who suck babies’ cocks and then turn around and deflower young women and girls. All as part of their religious belief system! It is not too hard to imagine that every vice could be shoehorned into being part of this belief system. Bottom line in the belief system: “Is it good for the Jews?”

  170. @melpol

    Loose morals is one of the keys. Another is interest-free loans. Another is being “close-knit” i.e. hating everyone else. But the key key is that though neither a race nor a people nor a diaspora they are a republic, a state within a state. With some magnificent exceptions a Jew born in America is not an American but a foreign citizen.

  171. uradel666 says:

    1. Any attempt to validate, justify or support Jewishness is both, illegal and immoral. The author does not seem to contest the fact that he is a Jew. Nor he realizes his identification.

    2. Jewishness is the same way as water that takes another form depending on the vase it is poured into. In this article, the author takes the form of competence in the service of humanity and then is keeping to destroy it and to deceit the audience.

    3. The categorization of Jewishness is itself irrational and stupid. Torah, Mitzvoth, Jewish ancestry, politics… Innocent(Angel), just people, racist(Demon)… Are you serious? Who will buy it?

    4. If the author is serious about his (or the) Jewishness (in General) and essays to explain it to us, he takes a lot of delusion in what he does and who he is. Whoever realizes and confesses that the Wondering who (Der ewige Jude) is Lord over intellectuality and death must speak with boldness approaching the imbecility.

    5. Jewishness is not the property of a Jew by the right. Nor ecclesiastical rights and privileges themselves. Jewishness is a disease, the source of plague-stricken invasion; and the Jew in this case is itself an element of the communication of “his” this Jewishness. That’s NOT even his fault. Jewishness cannot be explained and determined by no means. Even this one.

    6. All these pseudo-intellectualization projects to remove Jewish distress are informed by the same philosophy based on a high level of beneficiary involvement. “Jewish violence” is generally legitimated as “Self-Defense” (the Identification of Jews).

    7. The unique solution of Anti-Semitism in the Jewish World is to ultimately fight its Jewishness with due diligence using the power of “Self-Destruction”.

    • Replies: @Nonny Mouse
  172. Go Berniekin!!

    • Replies: @renfro
  173. anon[147] • Disclaimer says:
    @renfro

    lame arguments renfro
    every one of your rejoinders plays into Debbie’s lies

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  174. renfro says:
    @Priss Factor

    Any enemy of AIPAC is my friend.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  175. ANZ says:
    @Bookish1

    What you are referring to as your feeling of choseness towards your white race isn’t actually chosenism. I’d call it meritism, which is being proud of real world VALUE produced by your genetic kinsman and no doubt to some degree present in you.

    Real chosenism, exemplified by the Jews, is so dangerous precisely because it doesn’t depend on merit and accomplishment. It is all chutzpah and braggadocio not based on real world western values. In fact, this self-aggrandizement gives them psychic license to grow powerful by subverting western mores, values and accomplishments.

    If Jews are judged by classic western standards, as many people on this site use as their metric of evaluation, they are outed as the corrupt, conniving, subversive and traitorous cancer that they are to whites and the western world. So it’s no wonder they need chosenism as a bedrock for their mental programming to pull the shit they pull and not instantly die of overwhelming shame and self-loathing.

    For the record, creating monetary success out of usury, counterfeiting, illicit drug trades, racketeering, pornography, organ trafficking, forced prostitution, victimhood mentality, holocaust extortion and all other methods of shylocking and scheisterism isn’t value. It is corruption of the values which white culture has used to create modern white societies. Western values were made to foster the best welfare for white people. The tribe has gotten rich by clipping the coins and the values of our society.

  176. @Anon

    ‘…You embody the sad thing about the South: insane white males…’

    Hmm…so what does it say about me and the wife if we find white Southerners to be pretty congenial?

  177. @ Gilad Atzmon

    Great article that should be preserved for posterity.

    Dean Henderson in his book ‘ Nephilim Crown 5G Apocalypse’ argues that Jews who are at the centre of Jewish power like the Rothschilds are acting as agents on behalf of the royal bloodline families while many Jews think they are in control of the end game.

    Mr. Atzmon, I would appreciate your input.

  178. Crazy Horse says: • Website

    Personally I don’t think Judaism is totally to blame. For example the Puritans considered themselves choosenites under the concept of British Israelism and of course there were the American progressives who started the Eugenics movement so admired and embraced by Hitler who believed in blond, blue eyed Aryans being a superior race which is hard to imagine given all the blond jokes.

    However this isn’t restricted to whites as the Japanese thought they were a race above everybody else especially after they kicked Russia’s ass during the Sino-Russian War and here in America the Cheyenne believed that they were the only Human Beings then of course there’s the other Indians in India who feel obligated to lord it over their Muslim minority.

    On and on. So and so. Maybe it’s more of a cultural thing than race in many respects but then one looks at how badly the Ethiopian Jews who have migrated to Israel are treated and it’s probably some of both.

    Though it seems that many in Israel haven’t moved beyond claiming that god is on their side even when they claim that they don’t believe in the god of Abraham like the world’s greatest terrorist Menachem Begin which is kind of mystery. Since how can god be on one’s side if he doesn’t exist?

    That’s neither here nor there though since all races have racists and cultural bigots. However most these days seek their “better angels” while Israel doesn’t. I mean they make the KKK look like a paragon of racial and cultural tolerance.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  179. @uradel666

    000, 666. You speak with a boldness approaching imbecility. I thank Gilad as moderator for passing your rave for publication but every one of your points looks silly to me. At the end you make yourself complicit in the deceit of calling Judeophobia “Anti-Semitism” when the Jews are not a race.

    The unique solution, made impossible by the mad US system of government and inbuilt fanaticism, is to require all kindergartens and primary schools to be operated by the State. No religious brain washing for toddlers except at Sunday School.

    • Replies: @uradel666
    , @Fran Taubman
  180. @Truth3

    Oh come on….This is why “collective guilt” is such a bad idea….

  181. mcohen says:

    it looks like peace between israel and the palestinians will never be possible.an accomodation maybe but all the ideas like 2 state and so on are a waste.
    Western left wing ideas like asking societies to implement failed schemes and dreams is a waste of time.
    No gilad.
    One state called israel for the jewish people and its arab citizen who want to live in peace.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  182. Vojkan says:
    @melpol

    Thank you for the good laughter.

  183. Vojkan says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    It can hardly be a dialogue when one side is deaf to the arguments of the other.

  184. geokat62 says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    I actually believe that we are dealing with a vicious battle…

    You’re not alone in thinking this way, Gilad. Allow me to introduce you to Rabbi Ken Spiro:

    He hosts a website, Rabbi Ken Spiro.

    http://kenspiro.com

    He has authored a book, Crash Course in Jewish History Book:

    From Abraham and the birth of monotheism to the Holocaust and the creation of modern Israel-Crash Course in Jewish History explores 3,800 years of Jewish existence. Ken Spiro takes the reader on a fascinating and informative journey through time, highlighting the key lessons of Jewish and world history and the profound relevance that the past holds for the future of both the Jewish people and humanity.

    Here’s an excerpt from HISTORY CRASH COURSE #27: THE GREEK EMPIRE:

    In short, the Greeks introduced into human consciousness an idea which is going to come into play as one of the most powerful intellectual forces in modern history ― humanism. The human being is the center of all things. The human mind and its ability to understand and observe and comprehend things rationally is the be-all-and-end-all. That’s an idea which comes from the Greeks.

    Above all, the Greeks thought that this was enlightenment, the highest level of civilization. They had a strong sense of destiny and believed that their culture was ordained to become the universal culture of humanity.

    The Jews had a different vision. The Jews believed that a world united in the belief in one God and ascribing to one absolute standard of moral values ― including respect for life, peace, justice, and social responsibility for the weak and poor ― was the ultimate future of the human race.

    This Jewish ideology was wedded to an extreme, uncompromising exclusivity of worship (as demanded by the belief in one God) and a complete intolerance of polytheistic religious beliefs or practices. There was only one God and so only one God could be worshipped, end of story.

    To the Jews, human beings were created in the image of God. To the Greeks, gods were made in the image of human beings. To the Jews, the physical world was something to be perfected and elevated spiritually. To the Greeks the physical world was perfect. In short, to Greeks, what was beautiful was holy; to the Jews what was holy was beautiful.

    Such disparate views were bound to clash, sooner or later.

    http://kenspiro.com/article/history-crash-course-27-the-greek-empire/

    • Replies: @Art
  185. Skeptikal says:
    @anon

    I disagree. I think Renfro’s are good arguments/rejoinders.

    They lead to the Jewish reductio ad absurdam: Because we are Jews/special.

    I am not a denier of the Jewish, and general, genocide of WW2; what was done to the Jews and others in KZ camps was beyond belief. The numbers, the mechanical details, the bean counting, almost do not matter.
    As Renfro points out, POWs in Jap. camps were also subjected to unimaginable horrors.
    Germans were also targeted, by the aftermath of Versailles, and then by and in and after the war itself.

    The entities that drove the outbreak of both world wars are the culprits in all of this horror and destruction.

  186. BlackFlag says:
    @Johan

    Great post.
    Europeans can’t simply adopt a new strategy. Just like individualism, autistic dedication to facts and logic is in their DNA and they’ll always be playing at a disadvantage in the multiethnic game.
    Individualism and truthfulness are advantageous when enforced internally while borders are maintained. But it’s too late for that. The populations are overly domesticated and comfortable. Europeans will need a major shock to survive.

  187. GeeBee says:
    @Colin Wright

    ‘God doesn’t change his mind.’

    But this is precisely what adherents of Chrisianity insist it did. Anyone reading the Old and New Testaments objectively can only arrive at this conclusion. Naturally, Christians will come up with the usual excuses for Yahweh, but none of it makes any sense to the critical and logical mind. As Voltaire memorably put it, early Christians, in order to attempt to get around this logically impossible gulf between the gods of the Old and New Testaments “tortured ancient scripture until it confessed to meanings that were not there” in order to enable them to claim their absurd ‘new covenant’..

    The insecure, jealous, capricious, cruel, callous and vindictive deity of the Jews (and thus of the Old Testament) exactly reflects the Jews themselves – as inevitably it would. ‘In the beginning man created god in his own image’. But to maintain – as Christians must – that this revolting creature called Yahweh woke up one morning, smote its forehead and cried ” Oy veh! What have I been doing all this time favouring the Hebrews!? I must become a good universalist and invite all the goyim into my big tent” is either a species of insanity or it is a desperate attempt to cling to their Jewish teddy-bear at all costs.

    You are of course correct in everything else you say in your post.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
    , @Felix Culpa
  188. @Kratoklastes

    “We’re biological machines…”

    No, we are spirits. We are not lizards in a cosmic terrarium of space and time. Your holographic field of vision is an appearance to your mind like sound and feelings. This can be understood by reason and is not a religious belief taken on faith or accepted from scripture.

  189. @Anon

    “It is not like they are white Southerners who actually are hated by the world, who actually do have a great deal to be ashamed of.”

    The perceived shame of white Southerners is due to the war propaganda of The War. For over 300 years, the Jewish ships, British ships, Dutch ships, and Yankee ships brought the African slaves to the new world for their greedy profit. When you watched Roots, it was those people, not Southerners, who were callously throwing the dead bodies into the ocean. Slavery was a ten thousand year institution, yet you think only Southerners should shoulder the blame for slavery.

    Abraham Lincoln was a corporate lawyer representing the Northern business interests. In his First Inaugural Address to congress on March 4, 1861, he made the following points: 1) He will not go to war over the institution of slavery; 2) He will go to war to make the Southerners pay their taxes or if the Southerners attack any of his forts. Fort Sumpter was the Union fort which enforced these import/export taxes at Charleston Harbor in South Carolina.

    The current public perception that Lincoln invaded the South over slavery is due to war propaganda after the war to place the blame for the war on the South. It is the same as the Jewish holocaust myth about gas chambers, soap, lampshades, 6 million, etc. which paints the Germans as the evil people. If the the Southerners were fighting for some evil, then that makes the Union the good guys. It is the same type of propaganda as after WWII. If the Germans were geniciding the Jews (rather than trying to relocate them) then that makes the Germans the evil people and hence the allies the good people. Stated in todays propaganda words, WWII was “the good war”.

    That’s how propaganda works. Your mind has been manipulated. Mine was too, until I realized that nobody goes to war to do something nice for someone else. And Germany would not have shipped the jews to camps and taken care of them for years if their purpose was to murder them.

    If you can find any words from Abraham Lincoln saying he will go to war over slavery then I would like to know about them. If you know of any other invasion in human history for the purpose of doing something nice for someone else then I would like to know about that too.

  190. Skeptikal says:
    @GeeBee

    Everything you say makes sense.

    But it does seem to imply that there can be no “evolution” of a god’s personality within a religion. Or a new version of the old religion. Yet the Protestant god seems to be different from the CAtholic one.
    For example, the Catholic god seemed to be OK with indulgences, as practiced by the papacy.
    Yet this is what Luther called out, saying the Catholics had it all wrong, and only genuine faith mattered.

    Even within the Protestant division of Christianity God has different personalities and preferences regarding “his” people, whoever they may be.

    The Calvinists assumed the Jewish “chosen” meme, although with some upgrades to account for the passage of 1500 years and some economic innovations.

    IOW, God is what we make him/her. It is all relative. Call it religious relativism.
    This goes for Yahweh as well. He is what those who believe in Him make him.
    If the Christians are sure they are right about “their” god, then the Jews cannot also be right about “their” god.
    He is definitely not the same fellow.
    If Christians are no longer willing to defend their version and vision of god, then they deserve to get beaten. I am neither Christian nor Jew (though “ethnically” both, I suppose), so the only dog I have in this fight is (a) to defend basic logic and (2) to call out the ludicrous claims of Jews for what they are and make them take responsibility for conjuring up their terrible, thoroughly atavistic god and to start to ask themselves, Why? Why do they need this kind of god, more terrible and “jealous” than anything else I have heard of except maybe some of the Indian gods of destruction.

    Speaking of “jealous God,” kind of interesting in light of the “God ditched us” idea proposed above, looks like God can be unfaithful but demands utmost fidelity from his “wife.” Just like any Latin guy. What’s sauce fo the goose is not sauce for the gander! Actually, the whole God–His Chosen People relationshipo is basically abusive.

  191. Art says:
    @geokat62

    To the Greeks, gods were made in the image of human beings.

    The mythical Greek gods had human heads and human characteristics. The Greeks put humanity on the path to knowing we humans are intellectually in charge of our own destiny. Their thoughts evolved and culminated with Darwin taking the hand of God out of the equation of everyday events. Humanity’s destiny is determined by our intellectual prowess – not by the direct hand of God.

    Anyone who ascribes powers to God, beyond being the creator and starter of the evolving universe, will be left behind the rest of humankind. They will be operating on a false fruitless idea. “God willing” is simply an antiquated idea. We simply cannot leave things up to “god” – we must use knowledge to navigate the vagaries of the universe.

    • Replies: @renfro
  192. Anon[400] • Disclaimer says:
    @flashlight joe

    Ok, Boomer.

    You have to be insane to even attempt an apologetic for the South.

    What Lincoln said about not wanting to start a war over slavery is inconsequential. He and the North were intent on ending slavery, which is what drove certain Southern states to secede (obviously, as their Confederate Constitution made it impossible to abolish slavery). He then started a war to force them back in the Union…such that ultimately the Union would abolish slavery.

    Either way, the Civil War was fought over slavery. Were there business interests? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But the Southern attempt to eternally preserve slavery was what initiated the conflict. Hence, the South should be ashamed of the Civil War.

    The South has much more to be ashamed of than the Civil War. There would be the 100+ year long continued discrimination of African Americans, lynchings, race riots, etc. Come on, the South has the worst history in the world.

    Slavery was practiced all over the world, but you would be hard-pressed to find a form of slavery that was, on the whole, more oppressive than American slavery.

    Insane Southern apologists have terrible effects on society for two reasons. Firstly, you deceive (either intentionally or unintentionally) young, impressionable Southern boys to believe that some kind of Southern pride is possible or justifiable. This will haunt them throughout their life as they interface with other people who 99% of the time disagree on this point. Secondly, you discredit others who are on your side on other 21st-century issues.

    I sympathize, still, because I know that you only take on the apologetics because the alternative, for many people, is white-guilt-induced suicide, or a kind of ego death that is equivalent to suicide.

  193. @Gilad Atzmon

    I pointed out a huge problem with your controlled opposition argument.
    Today with all the varying degrees of right, left, left of right, right of left. How do you tell a controlled opposition view point from a sincere disagreement?

    No answer.

    How Athenian is it to write about Jews indicted on criminal behavior and collectively blame on the Jews. You often a read newspaper articles and condemn these individuals based on the their Jewishness and not on the facts of the case. This is just flat out dishonest.

    No answer.

    Your audience is limited to a small slice of the Jew hatred world. I never called you names. I suggested you retool your argument for a more universal approach to your philosophy, like the part below I quoted from your article.

    Read the comments on this thread. You promoted a Jew hatred. If you do not want to generate heat from the Jewish community stop blaming Jews for the problems of the human race. It is just common sense. No religion or community would want to hear what you are accusing the Jewish community and Judaism of. Try and right more like below. Drop Jewish identity. Ideas like would help out a lot. My criticism of your work has been spot on.

    Jerusalem is not solely a ‘Jewish domain.’ The Jerusalemization of our universe is apparent in every corner of society

    T

    he Western humanist values and intellectual assets we are now nostalgic for came from Athens: democracy, tolerance, freedom of speech, philosophy, Agora, science, ethics, poesis and the tragedy. Jerusalem gave us laws, mitzvoth, regimes of prescribed and proscribed behavior. Athens teaches us how to think ethically: in Jerusalem, ethics are replaced by the Ten Commandments; rules to obey. Jerusalem is not solely a ‘Jewish domain.’ The Jerusalemization of our universe is apparent in every corner of society: from pop culture, to the work place, to academia and beyond. It is the tyranny of correctness adopted by the new Left and it is at least as infectious within right identitarianism.

    My struggle as I now understand it, has evolved into a metaphysical quest. I battle to reinstate Athens within my soul. If you want to make the West great again, my struggle is your struggle. Defy Jerusalem, say no to authoritarianism, embrace Athens in your heart: learn to speak your mind, tell the truth as you see it and bear the consequences.

    • Replies: @renfro
    , @Art
    , @Kali
  194. renfro says:
    @Art

    I believe in something but not sure exactly what it is….LOL
    I gravitate toward the native Indians and their belief in Great Spirits.

    But those who believe in the standard God must realize their God gave humans ‘free will’
    I get a kick out of thinking He did that to separate the bad actors from the good actors
    and who to send to heaven or hell.

  195. renfro says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Read the comments on this thread. You promoted a Jew hatred. If you do not want to generate heat from the Jewish community stop blaming Jews for the problems of the human race.

    Silly girl…..blaming Jews/Zios for certain things will go on and on….because they never own up to their own misdeeds others will continue to point them out.
    Drip, drip, drip like Chinese water torture on your forehead we will continue.
    You keep us busy with exposing your hasbara……We keep you busy trying to defend the indefensible .

    I have sympathy for Jews who were both hunted, had to flee and imprisoned and came out of it with their humanity intact……but not for Jews who are monsters themselves and the Jews never within a thousand miles of a camp who screech and demand favoritism, money and everything else they can get while killing Palestines for their land.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
    , @mcohen
  196. @renfro

    Nah. You are the one that is silly. You would hate Jews no matter what? You are a Jew hater. If they did not do what you accuse them of, you would invent something else. That is the way Jew hatred works. Completely irrational. Jews do not act as collective.
    But it makes you sleep safe at night thinking we are collectively fucking the world up.

    And if only….
    You are a tin hat Jew hater, like millions before you. Nothing original in your shit. I read your post. They are just hilarious.

  197. @Crazy Horse

    On and on. So and so. Maybe it’s more of a cultural thing

    Or maybe it’s more of a thing of misinformation (more- or less- deliberate, mostly more) + failure to question skeptically and think critically.

    Applying skepticism plus critical thinking to your first paragraph, for instance:

    CrazyHorse wrote:

    Personally I don’t think Judaism is totally to blame. For example the Puritans considered themselves choosenites under the concept of British Israelism

    Naming “Judaism” and linking the “British” to Judaism via “Israelism” implies that Judaism and Puritans are related: both see as a pillar of their cultural mythos the Hebrew myths recorded in OT; those myths include a major emphasis on “choseness.” Same mythological root, different end-market branding.

    CrazyHorse wrote:

    [A] and of course there were the American progressives who started the Eugenics movement [B] so admired and embraced by Hitler who believed in blond, blue eyed Aryans being a superior race which is hard to imagine given all the blond jokes.

    [A] It might well be that Edwin Black is responsible for propagating (propagandizing) the notion that “American progressives started the Eugenics movement.”
    The reality is that eugenics was studied in much of the Anglo-Euro-N American world:

    –> Jewish males were over-represented in eugenics study groups at Cornell University (where Benjamin Netanyahu’s father later taught);

    –>German (and other W. European scholars) well before Hitler’s time studied the topic to a very high academic level with a view to practical application; German Jews were included among those Europe-based academics;

    –>Arthur Ruppin, who “produced Hebrew culture in Palestine” (that is, he is considered to have framed the blueprint and foundations of the civic and cultural organization of the Jewish state), was one such German-born and -educated eugenic scholar and practitioner who fulsomely endorsed the theories of Haeckel and Chamberlain.

    –> In her Eugenics: A Short Introduction, Philippa Levine noted the role played by Max Nordau’s Degeneration in “capturing a widespread pessimism about the future of Western civilization . . .”
    Nordau was Theodor Herzl’s midwife in the birthing of zionism, and co-author of Der Judenstaat. Nordau dedicated Degeneration to

    “The pioneering Italian criminologist Cesare Lombroso [who] championed a theory of hereditary degeneracy among criminals and the insane . . .” [one among] commentators pointing to the higher birth rates of countries such as India and China, as well as among poor whites, [who] pictured a declining West failing to reproduce its best specimens and overrun by its adversaries. This dystopia vision quickly became a signature theme in eugenics, whose mission, then, was to stem the tide and reverse the course of degeneration by promoting the rights sort of reproduction and preventing the wrong.”

    Since neither Edwin Black nor Philippa Levine specifically mentions the essentially eugenic element of the zionist project, permit me to recommend one more time Etan Bloom’s dissertation for the PhD at Tel Aviv University that extensively covers Arthur Ruppin’s eugenic weltanschauung and practices.
    Arthur Ruppin and the Production of the Modern Hebrew Culture
    https://www.academia.edu/1250458/Arthur_Ruppin_and_the_Production_of_the_Modern_Hebrew_Culture
    Compared to the zionists, NSDAP were soft-hearted conservatives in eugenic practice.

    • Thanks: Vaterland
    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
    , @Crazy Horse
  198. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    You are a Jew hater.

    Fran’s weapon of choice. If a had a shekel for every time Franny threw that slur at her interlocutor, I’d be a very rich man, lol!

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  199. Truth3 says:
    @ANZ

    If Jews are judged by classic western standards, as many people on this site use as their metric of evaluation, they are outed as the corrupt, conniving, subversive and traitorous cancer that they are to whites and the western world.

    Truth. Truth. Truth.

  200. Truth3 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Let me save Frannie the trouble of commenting for about a month…

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    Now… Back to the regular program.

    • LOL: renfro, Kali
    • Replies: @geokat62
  201. @flashlight joe

    Name added to Agree column to emphasize that what was done before — War of Northern Aggression — was done again — WWII; and again — Bremer’s de Baathification project was directly modeled on de-Nazification; and most importantly, is being attempted to be done again: war against Iran & Russia (among others).

    Once you see the patterns, you can’t help but see them

    https://images.app.goo.gl/p4SWFap56jx9xoqZ7

    From my perspective, the effort to prevent those wars– future wars– is the primary reason for de-constructing the past wars and exposing the real culprits.

  202. Art says:
    @Fran Taubman

    How Athenian is it to write about Jews indicted on criminal behavior and collectively blame on the Jews. You often a read newspaper articles and condemn these individuals based on the their Jewishness and not on the facts of the case. This is just flat out dishonest.

    Who is dishonest?

    Frannie — you Jews are always lying. It is YOU who create hate and anti-Semitism – you thrive on it – it gets you up everyday.

    US MSM:
    Inside Chinese camps thought to be detaining a million Muslim Uighurs

    Your Jew owned MSM just keeps lying and misleading us. They point out with disdain, 1,000,000 Muslim Uighurs in camps in China. And totally ignore the 1,000,000 Palestinians jailed in Gaza.

    You cannot lie and suppress the ugly truth of apartheid Israel forever.

    Do No Harm and Do No Business – with the immoral inferior Jews.

  203. BlackFlag says:
    @Anon

    “Ok, Boomer.”

    He doesn’t sound like a Boomer. The Boomer gen is wracked with guilt over slavery and ww2 to such a degree that they can’t speak or act in a natural way. The least likely to question History 101. Sounds more like a Millennial or Zoomer.

    “Come on, the South has the worst history in the world.”

    Lol, now you’re trolling. Plenty of peoples, probably most surviving ones actually, have carried out complete genocides. The Jewish people for example have a couple under their belt. One ongoing some say.

    “Slavery was practiced all over the world, but you would be hard-pressed to find a form of slavery that was, on the whole, more oppressive than American slavery.”

    Where did you get that? Slave populations often completely died out, failed to reproduce. For example, have you looked into how Arabs treated their African slaves? And read first-hand accounts from people in the South.

    Inflicting a guilt trip on Whites has become tougher since the internet.

  204. Quintus says:

    I didn’t know about Uriel da Costa. Thank you for another great article, Gilad.

  205. @SolontoCroesus

    How is it going sock puppet #347, and #178. I can tell your writing from a mile away.
    Same old same old. Trying to tell the Jews did WW2. Maybe 5 people will believe that.
    And to think such humanist view with your effort to stop future wars. LOL

    • Replies: @Prajna
  206. @geokat62

    The truth hurts. Read Solonto’s piece about the Civil war (ie: the war of Northern aggression).
    and the second war, as well as the Eugenics perfect race and surprise.

    All Jew all the time. That anyone could bother to site sources for this horsesshit, let alone make a mark outside of UR. What would you call it? Bad logic? I call it Jew hatred. No other like on UR.
    They cannot find enough crimes to blame on the Jews, or of course Jew manipulation of goys, to do their bidding. Solonto is the best at it. He sort of pleads with you to understand trying not to show his Nazi arm band. Oh excuse me National Socialist arm band, for those brave few who battled and lost to the big bad Jews.
    Same dumb shit.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  207. mcohen says:

    so gilad

    athens teaches thinking and jerusalem teaches obedience.

    jerusalem builds a gas pipeline to athens while you are thinking.

  208. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    What would you call it? Bad logic? I call it Jew hatred.

    Of course, of course, Fran. Oh, while we’re on the topic of what to call things… what do you call Jewish Supremacist Organizations (JSOs) that push Big Lie #1 – Diversity Is Our Greatest Strength – and work overtime to ensure western societies remain open and pluralistic, by flooding them with mass immigration and by promoting mass miscegenation?

    Is it fair to call these JSOs goy-haters, Fran? Or perhaps it is more accurate to call them Esau-haters, since they’ve limited this benevolence to the West?

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  209. geokat62 says:
    @Truth3

    Let me save Frannie the trouble of commenting for about a month…

    A month? More like an afternoon!

  210. Truth3 says:

    Frannie hires unemployed welders to cobble together scrap metal that she then calls art.

    She sells the crap to stupid-ass Jews in NYC and other dens of iniquity, that have stolen huge from the goyim and need to redeploy it into something that masquerades as art, for the insurance scam they will cook one day with it being supposedly stolen, but in reality shipped to Israel. All for top shekel.

    She pays the welders peanuts in the meanwhile.

    She is an example of a fraud on rails.

    Everybody Block the Bitch.

    Everybody.

    Some of us will stand watch.

  211. @geokat62

    No idea what you are talking about with the JOS. Know none like that. Kevin McDonald is one voice.
    Anyone else to back him up?
    I repeat I know no JOS, and I know a lot of Jews.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  212. Anon[112] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden

    Basically, Jews brag among themselves (Hence the Bar Mitzvah, jewelry at Synagogue, etc.). So I’ll need to add another qualifier: Jews do not outwardly display wealth to the outgroup that they supposedly feel inferior to, which is key to this aspect of the inferiority complex.

    Jews won’t usually show off in public like this. In public, they are hipsters, foul-mouthed pop-culture geeks, witty jokers, etc.

    What Jews are doing is status signalling within their group, it is a form of intra-group competition. Luke Ford used to talk about this. All elitist subcultures do this, they are deadlocked in a fierce competition among themselves.

    The mother of a Chinese friend of mine in college was pissed at him for not getting into a top private university, because she felt ashamed in front of the other Asian parents for failing to make her son succeed at this level.

    Why do they compete like this? Elitist cultures maintain their elitism through this sort of classist social pressure. They make people feel outside the group if they do not reach a certain level of success. Apparently dumb Jews were basically forced out of Jewish communities at in certain periods in the past since no parents would let their children marry them. I would propose that the mother’s pressure on her children has more to do with their economic success than any other environmental factor, which the Chinese seem to have figured out with their whole “Tiger Mother” concept.

    All of that is what is going on there.

    • Replies: @melpol
    , @Skeptikal
  213. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    No idea what you are talking about with the JOS. Know none like that…

    I repeat I know no JOS…

    No idea? Really, Fran? Never heard of Open Society Foundations, HIAS, IsraAID, ADL, AJCommitte, AJCongress, JINSA, PNAC, etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc.?

    Come on Fran, how dumb do you think The Dumb Goyim are?

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  214. @melpol

    “Raise a Lion cub among kittens and get what is expected.”

    You make it sound so noble, so right.

    How about this: Let some diseased flea bitten rodents with typhus into your house to commingle and be around your family, and who will be the survivors? Is that noble? Is that right?

    Or this: Out of misplaced human compassion, let some deceitful, murderous gangsters into your home and see who comes out on top. Sort of puts your people in a different light now, doesn’t it?

    I say this to destroy your argument. Don’t go all anti-semitism on me.

    • Replies: @melpol
  215. LarryS says:
    @Anon

    The “Civil War” was over secession, not slavery. There were 34 states at the time and 15 were slave states. Seven southern states seceded leaving 8 slave states in the Union. After war was declared 4 slave states joined the South leaving 4 slave states in the North. The Emancipation Proclamation “freed” the slaves in the South that Lincoln had no control over but not the slaves in the North.

    If the southern states hadn’t seceded there would not have been a war.

    • Agree: renfro
    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Skeptikal
  216. @Anon

    Many people have called me names and attacked me personally for my statements about the true nature of Lincoln’s invasion of the South. This is the result of classical conditioning just like Pavlov’s dogs. You hear the bell (stimulus) and immediately and unconsciously have the response – an emotional reaction of fear, hate, and anger.

    People who are not brainwashed respond with some reasonable thoughts, and some reasonable argument as to why they think I am wrong.

    Lincoln did not kill half a million of his own people to do something nice for someone else. If he wanted to free the slaves, he would and could have purchased their freedom like the other Western slave owning nations were doing.

    My two challenges stand: 1) Can you find any statement from Abraham Lincoln saying he is or will go to war over slavery?; 2) Can you identify any other military invasion fought to do something nice for someone else?

    • Agree: Sick of Orcs
    • Replies: @Anon
  217. @geokat62

    Kevin McDonald is a WS? What is the difference. Friends with David Duke? Those groups are not Supremacist groups.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Art
  218. melpol says:
    @flashlight joe

    You are permitted to see Jews as a polluting element. Many see them positively. Jews who are clever and smart are marketing most consumer products. They create the brands you want to buy. But if you perceive Jews as being nasty that is your freedom.

  219. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Those groups are not Supremacist groups.

    Prof. Kevin MacDonald is a supremacist, but the ADL isn’t?

    Oy Vey!

    • LOL: Mike P
    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  220. Anon[112] • Disclaimer says:
    @LarryS

    I’ve already dealt with your and Flashlight Joe’s contention that the Civil War was about secession.

    Why did the South secede in the first place?

    Slavery.

    If you disagree, please do tell what they were doing. I have heard that they feared their economy would be strangled by the creation of non-slave states in the West. Why would that happen? Because those states would oppose them by forming a political-economic block dedicated to strangling them. Why? Opposition to slavery. I have heard it was about tariffs. Why were the tariffs there? To economically strangle slave states until they relented and ended slavery.

    That is why the war, in the end, came down to slavery.

    The Constitution of the Confederate States forbade the passage of any law that would end slavery. They were trying to create a government where slavery would not be outlawed because they feared the Northern Abolitionism. The fact that some slave states joined the Union does not change the fact that the war was fought because some states were resisting abolitionists.

    • Agree: Fran Taubman
    • Replies: @renfro
  221. melpol says:
    @Anon

    “Apparently dumb Jews were basically forced out of Jewish communities at in certain periods in the past since no parents would let their children marry them”

    Shtetl unemployment was over 75%, very few Jews were eligible to support a family. Jewish guys without a Job had to wander off onto the German owned farms and work as farmhands. Many became Baptized and raised Christian families. American mothers would also object to their children marrying downward. Homely unemployed guys live lonely lives.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
    , @Anon
  222. Anon[112] • Disclaimer says:
    @flashlight joe

    If he wanted to free the slaves, he would and could have purchased their freedom like the other Western slave owning nations were doing.

    That would have been a damned good idea.

    But Lincoln probably would not do that because 1. we Americans have always had low social efficacy and don’t know how to handle tough problems, and 2. the North was/is hyper-moral and felt they must win a moral crusade psychologically on the topic, rather than just getting down to business and solving the problem, and 3. Abe Lincoln was Abe Lincoln.

    Lincoln was the worst of them all. He was a timid and dull man, completely unsuited for the challenge of leading the USA in that time, and not at all capable of devising a clever way to solve the slavery issue. His disastrous record with Native Americans should prove his idiocy and incompetency to any of his fans.

  223. @geokat62

    Honestly Geo, I am not BS ing you. I have been Jewish all my life. All of this stuff is new.
    Are you a white supremacist full on fan of Kevin McDonald?
    I am not a fan of the ADL. But that is one group. I think the NOI and Louis Farrakhan should be on the ADL list. You have a problem with that?
    What do you stand for? Christian White. No Muslims, brown or black allowed here?

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Kali
  224. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Honestly Geo, I am not BS ing you.

    Oh, I believe you, Fran.

    Are you a white supremacist full on fan of Kevin McDonald?

    There’s no such thing as a white supremacist, Fran. This is a anti-goy trope formulated by the ADL/SPLC.

    You have a problem with that?

    I have a problem with all lists, Fran. If someone breaks the law, the law should be enforced. As far as I know, thought crimes are not yet against the law.

    What do you stand for? Christian White. No Muslims, brown or black allowed here?

    I stand for nationalism for all peoples, Fran… Jews, as well as goyim. Although Jews are permitted to have an ethnostate, goyim -especially Esau – are not. If Esau says that he deserves an ethnostate, all the Jewish Supremacist Organizations (JSOs) rally together to condemn him for being a White Supremacist, nahtze, and Jew-hater.

    JSOs have been implementing their post-WWII agenda non-stop to remove nationalist sentiment from Esau. As revealed by Barbara Lerner Spectre, these groups have been hard at work destroying Esau’s homelands.

    This cannot stand. That’s why I call on all goys of the world to unite to put an end to this unprecedented destructive agenda!

  225. @melpol

    Homely unemployed guys live lonely lives.

    Isn’t that true the world over for both boys and gals? The aristocracy married other royals and often had to marry down or up. These characteristics are not Jewish character traits. I come from a Shtetl family everyone worked and had jobs.
    Folks on this site are just fucking stupid and nuts. People had trouble earning a living period.
    It was the nobles and then peasants. The peasants starved. The Jews got by they could read and write.
    Shtetl communities had their own schools called Cheders.

    “Apparently dumb Jews were basically forced out of Jewish communities at in certain periods in the past since no parents would let their children marry them”

    This sentence defines dumb as in the people it is describes. Do you think the person that wrote this is married. Yikes.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Truth3
  226. renfro says:
    @Anon

    If you disagree, please do tell what they were doing. I have heard that they feared their economy would be strangled by the creation of non-slave states in the West. Why would that happen? Because those states would oppose them by forming a political-economic block dedicated to strangling them. Why? Opposition to slavery. I have heard it was about tariffs. Why were the tariffs there? To economically strangle slave states until they relented and ended slavery.

    I guess like most people you haven’t studied the time line of events that led to Confederate succession .

    Here it is in a nutshell:

    The north and south had vastly different economies.
    The north made money from factories and manufacturing while the south relied on agriculture for its main income.
    Since the country was first settled, the U.S. imported most of its goods from Europe. Eventually, the north was able to produce more and more of the goods the U.S. needed and they didn’t want the European competition on buying raw materials from the South or of the South buying mainly imported European goods and not the Northern manufactures goods.

    So in 1828, northern politicians forced the south to buy goods from the north by passing federal laws that placed high taxes on goods imported from Europe…..”“The Tariff of 1828”

    Well that made southern states mad . But the tariffs got even worse eventually Before the war the South was paying 75% of the taxes the government collected on the higher cost people paid for imported goods.
    The tariff was raised on imported textiles, manufactured goods, and a variety of raw materials produced in the West also The new tariffs were as high as 50 percent on some items. The south believed it saw no direct benefit from the tariff. The only items protected by the tariff were items the south did not produce. Because tariffs allowed domestic producers to charge more for their products, southerners understandably felt cheated. They believed the Tariff of 1828 was outrageous, calling it the “Tariff of Abominations.”

    You can read what all the different states declarations on seceding from the Union had to say here
    http://civilwarsaga.com/the-causes-of-the-civil-war/

    A debate raged on about the tariff for a few years until another tariff was passed in 1832 that increased taxes on manufactured cloth and iron, further enraging southerners. Long before the slavery issue was even raised South Carolina declared it wanted to leave the Union for that reason.

    When the question of slavery was introduced by Lincoln after years of increasing tariffs on the South that was the last straw for Southerners …….”States Right’s’ were cited and it was off to war with the Confederates firing on the Union held Fort Sumter in SC.

    Half a million dead later , the South was almost burned to the ground, but the slaves wee free, sort of, and the same kind of greed driven special interest like the Northern manufactures that set the South in a fury to begin with are still running the country.

  227. uradel666 says:
    @Nonny Mouse

    1. If you are as much a Jew as self-identification is concerned here, then: your immediate reaction is much the same as the “Jewish violence” which is legitimated as “Self-Defense” (the clause #6 of my last comment). Worse yet, you take the form of competence in the service of humanity and try to destroy it (Clause#2). If this is a case, you don’t realize that your identification is itself irrational and stupid(Clause#3). You take a lot of delusion in what you do and who you are (Clause#4). You do not seem to contest the fact that you are a Jew. But still, that’s not your fault (Clause#5). See Clause#7 (“Unique Solution”).

    2. If you are just not a Jew, then go to the Clause#1 which says “Any attempt to validate, justify or support Jewishness is both, illegal and immoral”.

    If this is a case, the question is what level of beneficiary involvement you got there.
    PS
    1. This web site is one of the best ones going. 2. Gilad is one of the best fellows going. 3. Please, answer no further.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  228. @uradel666

    You are one of the most disgusting characters on this site. Have you thoroughly checked out your blood line. Has to be some Jew in there somewhere. You are everything you hate on steroids. Superiority and all.
    But irrational and sick as well.
    Some people on this site need their eyes poked out.

    • Replies: @renfro
  229. Anon[426] • Disclaimer says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    Freedom is a certain lack of outward restraints, as in freedom of speech, or of associaton, or of movement.

    Liberty, on the other hand, is an inner condition that springs from man’s very soul. It cannot be taken from him if he possesses it, for it is the ability to know and do what is right.

  230. Rahan says:

    Excellent stuff!

    “Jerusalem” harnessed the Dionysian element of “Athens” in order to overthrow the Apollonian one, after which, the Dionysian element was also subsumed and forced to work for the Jerusalem agenda. Apollonian culture was replaced by the commandments of the desert volcano deity, and Dionysian culture was replaced by Moloch.

    Like a gradual personality takeover by an implanted foreign spirit, on a macroscopic level. First the new invader is only perceptible through the occasional unexpected thought or behavior, then a specific new voice and traits appear, then with lots of fun and games and appeals to fairness more resources go to make the new second personality stronger, and then once parity is reached, it suddenly starts suffocating the original personality, before finally banishing it from memory, erasing its traces, taking over the body, and making a complete mess of it in the process.

    Rather terrifying, really.

  231. @mcohen

    ‘One state called israel for the jewish people and its arab citizen who want to live in peace.’

    Well, for starters, don’t put it in Palestine.

    New Jersey?

    • Agree: Nonny Mouse
    • Replies: @mcohen
  232. Anon[426] • Disclaimer says:
    @Emslander

    His reply tells you all you need to know. He plays no part in Western man’s unflinching search for Truth.

  233. @Fran Taubman

    ‘…And if only….
    You are a tin hat Jew hater, like millions before you. Nothing original in your shit. I read your post. They are just hilarious.’

    That is to say, you don’t have a response to renfro’s point.

    • Agree: Nonny Mouse
  234. Crazy Horse says: • Website
    @SolontoCroesus

    Thanx SC as you can see we are all to a greater or lesser degree products or more accurately victims of our “education”. I’ll add the book recommended to my extensive reading list.

    One book I’ll recommend on the Puritans and the “New World” is Richard Drinnon’s Facing West: The Metaphysics of Indian-hating and Empire-building:

    https://books.google.com/books/about/Facing_West.html?id=wrexPiqKo58C

    Yes I agree Edwin Black is an interesting character. He wrote a “shocking” book on the Transfer Agreement but left out a few things that are covered in ADOLF HITLER – FOUNDER OF ISRAEL
    Israel in War with Jews:

    http://holywar.org/txt/founder_of_Israel.pdf

    Another myth buster is Hitler’s Jewish Soldiers The Untold Story of Nazi Racial Laws and Men of Jewish Descent in the German Military by Bryan Mark Rigg

    https://kansaspress.ku.edu/978-0-7006-1358-8.html

    Of course such “minor” details about how the Zionists supported what is called the Holocaust are somewhat swept under the carpet of history.

    The fact is there was a holocaust but not in the sense that we have been told. In fact the other sense rarely used which is “2) historical a Jewish sacrificial offering that is burned completely on an altar.”

    Of course this definition isn’t used by the Holocaust industry because it would expose the callous disregard that the Zionists had for …well…Jews.

    Anyway thanks for the reference. I’ll review it. Oh by the way Hasbera Fran called. Should I tell her you’re not in 🙂

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  235. mcohen says:
    @renfro

    renfro says

    “while killing Palestines for their land.”

    hmmmmm renny boy ….standards are slipping.

  236. Art says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Kevin McDonald is a WS?

    Oh dear’ the height of absurdity – Frannie – a confirmed sycophantic Jew calling someone else a supremacist.

    With that said, clearly Kevin McDonald is morally superior to any Jew who defends apartheid Israel.

    Do No Harm and Do No Business – with the morally inferior Jews.

  237. @Anon

    ‘What Lincoln said about not wanting to start a war over slavery is inconsequential. He and the North were intent on ending slavery, which is what drove certain Southern states to secede…’

    If the Northern states were intent on ending slavery, how do you explain Congress passing the original Thirteenth Amendment in 1861, guaranteeing the right of the individual states to retain slavery in perpetuity if they wished, in an effort to head off the war?

    It was too late for that — but that’s just the point. If the issue ever had been slavery, it no longer was. It was about the right to secede. Guaranteeing their right to keep slaves wasn’t going to keep the Southern states in the Union.

  238. renfro says:
    @Fran Taubman

    If they did not do what you accuse them of, you would invent something else. That is the way Jew hatred works. Completely irrational.

    Well they do do what I and the world accuses them of……and it doesn’t matter if they are Jews , Buddhist or Presbyterians…. they are what they are and they are doing what they are doing.

    If they weren’t doing the criminal and vile things they are doing no one would be paying them any attention or talking about them.

    Like 90% of the population I had zero interest in Jews until I ran into the travesty of Isr-Pal and the US Isr parasitic relationship from hell. But after 16 years of my Isr-USA- Pal watching I believe I know what you are and why.
    All that remains now is to keep on exposing that to more and more people.

  239. @mcohen

    ‘Colin.have been there.’

    Couldn’t be bothered to move there though. Could you?

    It wasn’t that important.

    Was it?

    You see, that’s the thing. You subvert your own country, oppress an entire people, bring chaos and misery to nation after nation — and all for a goddamned hobby.

  240. renfro says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Some people on this site need their eyes poked out.

    Oh come on you can do better than that, look at how inventive your brethren in Israel are.
    First they shoot a Palestine on his own side on the fence,then they drive a bulldozer in to pick up his body…instead of letting some Palestines who ran out to get him take him away.
    Then the bull dozer lowers its claws to try and pick up the body and misses a few times after which they just smash him up with the claws and scoop him up and carry him away with his body dangling from the tip of a dozer claw like a rag doll.
    Watch the video, you’ll probably enjoy it.

    Its when I see depravity like this that I wish the Jews ‘promised land ‘ had been some state within the US and the UN had awarded it to them in 1948. Because when you moved in and started doing the same things you did in Palestine we natives would have killed all of you and a Jewish State would have been the shortest footnote in the dustbin of history.

    https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/unprecedented-brutality-family-palestinian-mangled-bulldozer-condemn-israel

    ‘Unprecedented brutality’: Family of Palestinian mangled by bulldozer condemn Israel
    Video of Mohammed al-Naem’s body being defiled has appalled his relatives and sent shock waves worldwide

    ”lal al-Naem was appalled when he saw the footage: an Israeli bulldozer dragging, mutilating and dangling a Palestinian’s corpse in the besieged Gaza Strip. Then he found out it was his brother’s body.”

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  241. Kali says:
    @Anon

    What a load of old bollocks to blame current generation for harms, real or imagined, of past generations.

  242. Kali says:
    @Fran Taubman

    If you do not want to generate heat from the Jewish community stop blaming Jews for the problems of the human race.

    He’s not blaming Jews, Fran, he’s pointing out the Jeruslemite mentality which has infected so much of all of our thinking as a result of the introduction of a “universal” jealous, angry, vengeful, uncompromising notion of “god” delivered to mankind by “the jews”.

    But you, in your typically dishonest fashion, want to keep the argument personal rather than actually engage with what is actually being said.

    You should take a day off from TROLLING Gilad and UR once in a while and get on with being the “ordinary person” you keep claiming to be.

    Silly, tedious, semi-litterate, intellectually challenged, dishonest, unreflective, Jewish supremacist trolling can’to be the most edifying of occupations. Surely there’s something useful and productive you could be doing with your time? – Plant a garden. Come to recognise the Divine in all things. But mostly, stop being a dick.

    Kali.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  243. Kali says:
    @Fran Taubman

    I have been Jewish all my life. All of this stuff is new.

    Here’s the thing Fran – All of this stuff is new to most of us too.

    We were brought up in societies which didn’t distinguish between “whites” and “jews”. We had no idea that there was any kind of Jewish Supremacist movement, and only a vague idea of jewish notions of “choseness, with no idea the extent to which our culture had been infected with predominantly “Jeruslemite ” thinking, and no idea the extent to which our political and social institutions had succumbed to Zionist blackmail and manipulation.

    We had no idea, until the free-flow of historic information via the Internet, the real causes of both worlds wars. We had only an incling that “israel” itself was (and is) a terrorist organisation presented to the world as “the Jewish state” and, therefore, somehow, beyond criticism.

    What you incessantly define as “jew hatered” is nothing but a perfectly natural response to our growing awareness of the deceitful manipulations of our societies by JSO’s and their apologists.

    Open your mind just a tiny bit, Fran, and try to recognise that the misgivings many of us have about Jews and Judaism are born of our growing awareness of what those things have brought to the world.

    I can’t speak for anyone else, but for my part, I have no hatred for “the jews”, though I do despise the inherrently supremacist tenants of your religion and the disgusting actions of Jewish organisations and “the Jewish state”. – That is, the ideological underpinnings of Jewish Supremacist attitudes towards every other life-form on the planet.

    As a species we are capable of so much better, if only we would embrace Athens and Athenian thinking. Then we might avert the disaster which seems set to destroy all that is good, beautiful and reasonable brought about by notions of obedience to an evil “god” which would “utterly destroy” the “enemies” of “his” favourites in all of “his” flawed creation.

    Kali.

    • Agree: Robjil
  244. @Crazy Horse

    Thanks CrazyHorse.

    Drinnon appears to have been the last of a rambunctious breed of professors; Facing West looks worthwhile.

    Need to find a cryovac service: I want to be flash-frozen (wearing white Bucks by Florsheim) and come back in 300 years when natives to American continent go full-zionist and reclaim their land from the invader-Romans/ Puritans/ Christian zionist.

    Fran Taubman?? Yeah, tell her I’m on the phone w/ #88.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
    , @Crazy Horse
  245. geokat62 says:

    We’re not allowed to ask this question, but they are:

    Debate | Is Bernie Sanders good for the Jews?

    After sailing to victory in Saturday’s Nevada caucus, Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders has emerged as the clear frontrunner in the race for the democratic presidential nomination. It’s a historic moment for American Jews; Sanders is the first Jew to get this far. But American Jewish voters could hardly be more divided over his success. For some, he’s a source of pride and naches, a callback to Jewish socialism and the embodiment of Tikkun Olam, while others view Sanders’ socialism with trepidation, and his association with people who have offended the Jewish community as disqualifying.

    We asked two Forward contributors, Joel Swanson and Ari Hoffman to debate the question Jews are debating at Shabbos meals across the nation: Is Bernie Sanders good for the Jews?

    https://forward.com/opinion/440320/debate-is-bernie-sanders-good-for-the-jews/

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  246. anarchyst says:

    Why is a menorah allowed on the White House lawn, but not a cross?
    WILL THE HANUKKAH MENORAH TOPPLING
    START A TREND?
    (Real Zionist News) — By Brother Nathanael Kapner —
    THE JOINING OF JEWRY’S CULTURAL & POLITICAL DOMINANCE IN AMERICA was recently highlighted in a national event held on the “Ellipse” of the White House south lawn on December 13, 2009.
    The event, The Lighting Of The US National Menorah, was sponsored by the joint collaboration of The American Friends of Lubavitch and the Jewish-dominated Executive Branch of the United States of America. The US Air Force Band was on hand to offer a “trumpet salute” to the new national symbol.
    With a yarmulke on his head, White House chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, was the guest of honor at this year’s White House Hanukkah celebration. Ascending upon a cherry picker, (paid for by US tax payers), that lifted him up to light one of the candles on the 40-foot-tall US National Menorah, Emanuel stood with Rabbi Levi Shemtov to confer the executive branch’s affirmation of the Jewish holiday.
    Jewry’s oft-asserted “separation of Church and State” was not shouted out by either the ADL or the ACLU in protest of this obvious mixing of religion and government.
    What the Jews really have in mind when calling upon “Separation of Church and State” to protest any public expression of Christianity (not Judaism), is to establish the “Uniting of Synagogue and State” in America.
    Now that Americans have become habituated to saying “Happy Holidays!” instead of “Merry Christmas!” — the Jews, after gaining equal time for their holiday, Hanukkah — have succeeded in TAKING OVER our once Christian season. In other words, give the Jews an inch and they will eventually TAKE IT ALL. (”Happy Holidays!” is a Jewish lie perpetrated in the 1960’s. Prior to that date there was only ONE HOLY DAY in December, and that was Christmas.)
    In America it has become illegal to place a Cross or any Christian symbol on government property. But the Anti-Christ symbol of the Jewish Menorah which makes the statement, “Your Christ Is Not The Messiah,” is not only permitted on government property, but is exalted and applauded.
    Due to the Jewish-run-and-funded ACLU creating a Supreme Court legal precedent allowing “cultural symbols,” that is JEWISH SYMBOLS, as “constitutional cultural displays” – but Christian symbols, as “unconstitutional religious displays” – the Jews have seized rule over religious expression in the public square…

  247. Skeptikal says:
    @Anon

    Yes, Jewish mother syndrome.
    “My son, the doctor.”

    Virtually all Jewish children fear their mother.
    Yeah, they love her. But they also fear her.
    They strive for success in order to appease the mother’s Angst about them.
    But it is never enough. That is crucial to the Jewish Mother syndrome.
    No matter how much you achieve, someone else’s son has achieved more, and she will let you know about it in ways both direct and indirect.
    Because she is the proxy of both the pater and the Jewish community as a whole.
    The rabbis, etc.
    She is the one who inculcates the cringing fear of failure, the need to make good. She is the one who does a lot of the bragging.

    She is the Guilt Tripper in Chief.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  248. Skeptikal says:
    @LarryS

    Lincoln was no fool.
    Also when it comes to finances and economic development.
    His issuing of the greenbacks is evidence of that.
    Lincoln wanted to modernize the country’s economy—the whole country’s.
    Basically all the South produced was tree commodies: cotton, tobacco, and sugar. And slaves. Parts of Virginia, Souith Carolina, North Carolina, and others in the East had worn-out soils. Their “crop” was slaves to be sold downriver to owners or the large cotton plantations of the Deep South and West Texas.
    Lincoln was not going to allow a separate country with a slave economy on the Union’s Southern border—a country that was being exploited by the British and their textile industry as a source of raw materials (and was dependent on an internal slave traffic). As the British had done in India. Letting the South secede would be like having a border with Bengal. So the secession issue was inextricably intertwined with the characteristics and vulnerabilities of the slave-based economy.

    One of the first important developments of the postwar era was the development of textile mills *in the South.* Just one example: The Dan River Cotton Mill at Dan River in Virginia.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  249. Skeptikal says:
    @Skeptikal

    “Their “crop” was slaves to be sold downriver to owners or the large cotton plantations of the Deep South and West Texas.”

    The importation of slaves from Africa had been made illegal. These states, of little agricultural value, were openly known as the “breeding” states. The slaves were bred and raised in a similar spirit as livestock on the gracious, genteel old plantations and elsewhere. If the females could be impregnated by a white male, so much the better. The better price, etc.

    You can real all about it, in detail and with a minimum of moralizing, in Olmstead’s The Cotton Kingdom, written in the early 1850s.

  250. Nodwink says:

    For anybody who missed it: “the now infamous Gilad Atzmon” (with bonus spooky music!)

  251. Saggy says: • Website
    @sarz

    Here is what N. Meznitsky (coauthor with Shahak on ‘Jewish Fundamentalism in Israel’)* has to say on the subject …

    Another serious allegation is that Gilad Atzmon is a Holocaust denier. That is nonsense, and as such deserves little discussion. Atzmon not only acknowledges the Holocaust; he emphasizes its effect upon him personally and upon Jews in general. He discusses varied reactions to it. He emphasizes the development—unfortunate from his perspective—of a Holocaust religion. He opposes, as do many others, the use of the Holocaust in attempts to garner political and economic support for the state of Israel. This is not Holocaust denial.

    *Thus we see that Meznitsky and no doubt Shahak are/were holohoax liars.

    • Replies: @sarz
  252. Anon[160] • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @melpol

    you cannot chalk up Jewish elitism to desperation and poverty in shtetls, because the classism and eugenic marital practices were most extreme in Western Europe, where Jewish communities were more small and elite. These families would import top Talmud scholars from the East for arranged marriages with their daughters.

    I’m not so sure about the 75% unemployment figure, sounds like baloney. Even black ppl in the American South have always been able to find work.

    Shtetl Jews had significantly higher reproductive rates than all other Euro ethnic groups. This explains the (relative) poverty; kids are expensive and the Jewish community overshot its economic niche.

    Is there something wrong with being a farmhand for a German person? It almost sounds like you are accidentally granting my point.

    • Replies: @melpol
    , @Colin Wright
  253. @renfro

    Yeah I can definitely do better. Here is an Israeli article on the subject.

    What is Jew hatred as many people on this site have asked? It is the dehumanizing of Jews, blaming the Jews collectively for the criminal behavior of a few. Assigning immoral traits that all people in the world display solely to the Jews as a collective and Judaism as a religion. Continuing the ancient conspiracy theory that the Jews want to take over the world. A lie. That Jews act collectively to create harm and chaos in the world, for nefarious reasons that prove they are immoral and evil by birth. The very definition of Jew hatred which you and most of the people on UR do.

    The delegitimizing of Israel or the rights of Jews to self determination like all other peoples. Irrationally blaming Jews of all violence in the ME. Misrepresenting the Jewish religion as the cause for violence and harm to others, and failing to point out or blame others non Jews responsible for violent acts.

    Just like you did with this article. Propagandizing Jews as immoral claiming the IDF hoisted a body on a bulldozer which is not a true story. You and others do it all the time.


    The Islamic Jihad terrorist wasn’t hanged from a bulldozer like the title implies. The IDF used a bulldozer to move his body because he could have had an explosive vest. He was killed trying to plant explosives along the border.

    https://worldisraelnews.com/defense-minister-bennett-on-keeping-terrorist-corpses-theres-nothing-more-humane/?utm_source=MadMimi&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Mass+Outbreak+in+Israel+Feared+as+Koreans+Test+Positive%3B+Sanders+Accuses+Pro-Israel+AIPAC+of+Bigotry%3B+%27Nothing+More+Humane%27+than+Keeping+Terrorist+Bodies&utm_campaign=20200224_m157080511_Mass+Outbreak+in+Israel+Feared+as+Koreans+Test+Positive%3B+Sanders+Accuses+Pro-Israel+AIPAC+of+Bigotry%3B+%27Nothing+More+Humane%27+than+Keeping+Terrorist+Bodies&utm_term=Defense+Minister+on+Keeping+Terrorist+Corpses_3A+_E2_80_98There_E2_80_99s+Nothing+More+Humane_E2_80_

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @anarchyst
  254. @Nonny Mouse

    000, 666. You speak with a boldness approaching imbecility

    Let me remind you Nonny of your on bold Imbecility in your ongoing quest for morality, which you seem to think you posses in abundance.

    Januar 30, 2020 at 6:21 am GMT
    @Fran Taubman
    Fran, please remind me. Were the perpetrators credibly identified? If not, some research is needed concerning the benefits to Israel that followed. It was superb publicity, as it not?
    • Replies: @Fran Taubman

    I often ponder this statement of yours at night before closing my eyes, thinking it seems so improbable that someone intelligent could pose such a question. Maybe he/she were not around during the horror that went on during the murder and torture of those athletes during the Munich Olympics. But really who could ask a question like that in 2020? What does this imply and what is the world coming to, to accuse the murders of murdering themselves. A major turning point. A watershed moment as you romance the perfection of Christ and Christianity. I hope you find the culprit of all your fears.

    That is just awesome Nonny. I will never forget you.

  255. Anon[160] • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    Hi Fran,

    You will see in my thread above that in my original comment I do not treat Jews as being the only elitist people, or the only people with a superiority complex. I have cited diaspora Chinese and Indians. I am the same guy that is blasting the American South.

    The European nobility were elitists who married within their caste. But is this not a bad thing? Most Europeans came to the conclusion that it was terrible to have such a European nobility, and fought for equality and fraternity.

    I have made the pessimistic claim that we dumb goys are destined to be ruled by elitist minorities. Is this not the observed reality in the USA, today? You can read the article by Unz on Meritocracy, and see how my people make up only about 20-30% of students at top universities. This is underrepresentation of 1/3-1/2. This trend is not going to change.

    Now, Asian and Jewish people claim that it is actually their virtue that makes them successful. They promote it in glowing terms as “value of knowledge, value of education.” But this value of education only exists in its degree because knowledge and education are paths to wealth and high socioeconomic status. Trust me, I have been the token white friend to Asians for long enough; I know what the value of education really boils down to. Within Asian culture, loving wealth is not shameful; Indians used to worship wealth gods in hopes of wealth.

    The fact that there are Indians and Asians in the West at all is that they pursue wealth! And it *might* be true of Jews, but I will not go down that line because I do not know.

    Furthermore, these elite minorities, who believe their relatively greater desire for high status is virtue, seek to open the borders of the world, as they are confident that they will be able to enter ever more societies and gain ever greater wealth and prestige in the world. The result is that we goys lose our nations and are threatened with genocide (under UN definition of genocide).

    I don’t think I need to argue that being an elite diaspora, if your people can pull it off, allows for greater ability to accumulate wealth and prestige. There is always an underdeveloped country in which one can build a business and out-compete locals, accumulating a vast fortune. If you have extreme confidence (which is actually inseparable to academic psychologists from a “superiority complex”) that you can do it, you do not even need to enforce supremacy like whites have done in the past.

    I agree that the Holocaust is terrible. But still.

    please do tell me, am I supposed to like this state of affairs? Am I supposed to enjoy being the bottom race, having my cultures be subject to the leadership of foreign peoples, having my phenotypes eroded away from miscegenation with the “rising tide of color,” which exists to make the world safe for diaspora Jewish elites?

    How should I express my love for my prolific loser-ness, please teach me, after putting yourself in my shoes.

    I’m just bad for being envious, that’s it. If I was a good person with high self-confidence, I’d kiss the arses of Jews and Asians and be happy for the white girls who pop out brown babies and the white guys who produce Asian babies.

  256. @Fran Taubman

    ‘… The Islamic Jihad terrorist wasn’t hanged from a bulldozer like the title implies. The IDF used a bulldozer to move his body because he could have had an explosive vest. He was killed trying to plant explosives along the border…’

    Sure, Fran.

    So he put on an explosive vest, then cleverly lured the Israeli soldiers into shooting him on the Palestinian side of the border, knowing that they, not his fellow Palestinians, would then attempt to recover the body.

    Amazing the things you have to make yourself believe if you’re to support Israel, isn’t it?

    • Agree: Commentator Mike
  257. melpol says:
    @Anon

    There were many Shtetls in E Europe, some were more prosperous. Only in the poorer Shtetl was the selective process at work. Only the productive were selected and the unemployed left to find work as farmhands. The prosperous shtetls afforded all to have a bride. It produced Jews who were less than smart. Economies of the Shtetl were based on their ability to buy wholesale products from the Urban centers. From there they would sell retail to the rural peasants. Wealthy Jews who lived in the West imported prize students from the Shtetl to marry their daughters. Their children could be expected to be smart and clever. Shtetl Jews who left to work as farmhands never returned to Judaism.

  258. @SolontoCroesus

    Here you go SC a brilliant section from your sock puppet #347 post. Before your #178
    You are a phony and a liar. Who bombed Worms. Too chickenshit to face me as yourself. Sock puppet.

    in early 1945 Allied armies advanced into the Rhineland in preparation for a massive assault into the heart of the Reich. Worms was a German strongpoint on the west bank of the Rhine and the forces there resisted the Allied advance tenaciously. Worms was thus heavily bombed by the Royal Air Force in two attacks on Feb. 21 and March 18, 1945. A post-war survey estimated that 39 per cent of the town’s developed area was destroyed. The RAF attack on Feb. 21 was aimed at the main railway station on the edge of the inner city, and at chemical plants southwest of the inner city, but also destroyed large areas of the city centre. Carried out by 334 bombers, the attack in a few minutes rained 1,100 tons of bombs on the inner city, and Worms Cathedral was among the buildings set on fire. . . .

    In the attacks, 239 inhabitants were killed and 35,000 (60 percent of the population of 58,000) were made homeless. A total of 6,490 buildings were severely damaged or destroyed.
    . . . wikipedia.

    • Replies: @anon
  259. anarchyst says:
    @Fran Taubman

    I’ve read various versions of your talmud and have noticed that there is a jewish supremacist streak in every last one of them The dehumanization of gentiles is done by the jews themselves.
    Now that us gentiles are beginning to notice, the jews are running scared.
    It’s time for the deportation of ALL dual citizens to commence…

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
    , @Nonny Mouse
  260. Vaterland says:
    @flashlight joe

    It is indeed quite remarkable that the American “Civil War” was the first total war and in which the Christian concept of forgiveness and learning to live in peace and agreement with your former enemy was replaced with that of the Roman “vae victis” (and one may add that of Judaism), as acknowledged by Otto von Habsburg. And it was also one of the wars in a long line continuing to this day where the immense brutality and war crimes of the victor powers were hidden by fabrications of moral superiority by those victorious to enshrine them in a mythology and eternally demonize their enemies.

    Unfortunately I do not see us returning to Christian brotherliness any time soon which was also at the heart of the beginnings of the European Union. Corporatism, neo-liberalism, the woke left and the money power have run their course there too.

  261. sarz says:
    @Saggy

    Saggy, if Gilad is not a Holocaust “denier” (or is a German-industrial-scale-Jew-extermination affirmer) too bad. He’s done a lot for the cause of putting Jews in their rightful place, but for some reason, like other would-be Jewish truth tellers, he hesitates to take this crucial step. Could be because he would be dismisssed by Jew media power as a Holocaust denier. They’ve sunk a hell of a lot of their enormous capital in the project, so it’s a daunting demon to take on.

    Anyway, I don’t need Meznitsky—whom you think I should know because he was associated with Shahak, whom I must know…that’s pretty tiresome—to tell me the gospel view of what Gilad thinks or has thought. I think Gilad is in danger of now confusing himself with some sort of monument. That sort of thing makes it much harder to think straight. And, moreover—Gilad should know—it’s a position that is philosophically incorrect.

    • Replies: @Saggy
  262. @Anon

    ‘I’m not so sure about the 75% unemployment figure, sounds like baloney. Even black ppl in the American South have always been able to find work.’

    The nineteenth-century Jewish shtetls were marked by astonishing numbers of luftmenschen — ‘air men,’ Jewish males without any apparent occupation or means of support. I assume they subsisted on charity.

    …parenthetically, one wonders what happened to the women. I’ve read something about there being a thriving white slave trade in Jewish girls from Eastern Europe.

  263. Skeptikal says:

    “luftmenschen — ‘air men,’ Jewish males without any apparent occupation or means of support. I assume they subsisted on charity.”

    Maybe these were all Torah “scholars,” a la the Barbra Streisand movie Yentl. In the movie the “scholar” couldn’t flirt with the daughter of the household because he was really a she. But maybe this is kind of a cloaked reference to the sexlessness of these “scholars.”

    Oh, except of course on Fridays after the synagogue visit it was obligatory to shtupp the cara sposa.

  264. Crazy Horse says: • Website
    @SolontoCroesus

    Loved the video 🙂

    Check out this proposed New Vision for America by our friends in Lebanon:

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/01/those-who-have-visions-.html?cid=6a00d8341c640e53ef0240a4b913fa200c#comment-6a00d8341c640e53ef0240a4b913fa200c

    Much like your vision 🙂

    Anyway moving closer to that I’ve decided to support Mark Charles for his run as an Independent. I’ve given up on the Republicrats and Democans:

    https://www.markcharles2020.com

    Oh by the way Fran called again. You want me to tell her you moved and left no forwarding address 😉

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  265. @anarchyst

    I’ve read various versions of your talmud and have noticed that there is a jewish supremacist streak in every last one of them

    That is your first problem. You should not be reading the Talmud. It requires a guide an interpreter and is not meant to be taken out of context and time of events.

    How do Jewish people behave to you? How does Supremacist Jews affected your life? Is there something they prevented you form achieving. Have they plotted against you personally.

    Now that us gentiles are beginning to notice, the jews are running scared.
    It’s time for the deportation of ALL dual citizens to commence…

    Christians in the US will never allow this to happen dream on.

  266. @Crazy Horse

    Mark Charles — intriguing.

    Has an indigenous American ever been a presidential candidate before?

    I might be more inclined to support Charles if his campaign didn’t define whites so negatively.

    Most of us did not choose to be here, in the USA, and in a real sense, neither did our parents. There must be a better way for Mark Charles and ‘white’ people to talk and make common cause.


    Fran can’t stand being ignored, is that the problem?
    2-year olds should not be allowed to play on the internets.

    • Replies: @Crazy Horse
  267. @Kali

    You write like a child, with the comprehensive maturity level of a 10 year old. Adults can formulate and hold two opposing ideas in their head simultaneously and weigh one idea against another and see the pros and cons of each argument, and make an intelligent conclusion on a set of facts.

    You Kali can only hold one thought in your brain. The shear ignorance of the possibility that another idea might also have merit has never dawned on you, like a child.

    When we were first started conversing you asked the dumbest questions about Jews, their history and Judaism. Simple things you could have looked up your self. But I patiently answered them.

    Lets review.

    You asked me if there was any archeological proof showing that there were Jews or Hebrews in Palestine/ Israel. You believed only the Palestinians were the indigenous people of that land. I pointed out Merneptah Stele dated 1200 BC. from Egypt referring to the Jews in Israel, as well as the Dead Sea scrolls found in a cave dating from 520 BC, describing Jewish life in Israel. There is a plethora of archeological evidence, on coins etc.

    You asked me is there any archeological proof that there was a Jewish exodus. I gave you a link to a movie “Patterns of Evidence” . You giggled that your internet was spotty and could not watch it.

    You railed about how they Ashkenazim Jews were not really Jews (cause you would really know Kali and could lecture me an Ashkenazic Jew) that they were Khazars. Not only Khazars, but did I realize that Kahzars were the main source of all the conflicts in the world. You see Khazars are deceitful, and evil because they are the offspring of satan and are involved in satanic acts.I pointed out to you gently that my lineage is Ashkenazim, that I was not a decedent of the Khazars or of satan and could trace my lineage back to the diaspora, and that the Khazar theory was false and has been thoroughly disproven by DNA. That Ashkenazim were Jews that left Israel after the Roman conquest and the destruction of the Temple.

    You also call the Holocaust a hoax. My family are survivors of the Holocaust. I have told them that Kali thinks they are making it up, but gosh Kali they aren’t buying your expertise. Sorry.

    I understand your new age religion is the answer to everything. You drop all religions and grab the the spiritual. I have pointed out many times, that I am a proud Jew, and that I have a reallygood relationship and conversations with the divine being.

    You are entitled to your ideas Kali. Your immature straight line thinking, where from A-Z you have the problems solve, but you should know that in actuality life and history are complex events. Breathtaking in Judaism’s 2500 year old history are the twists and turns, the confusion in studying and deciphering the layers of religion and events within the complex chronology of the world. This is hard and requires effort for people who are students of history and Judaism. Who have spent their lives studying it. You do realize there are scholars in the world who see things differently then Khazars are evil.

    The fact that you do not understand you are so clueless of your ignorance is staggering. One would think that you would catch on after seeing some intelligent blow back of your ideas.

    Like when you said that Jews were kicked out of countries in Europe for the practice of ritual child murders. So freaking ludicrous, such a misunderstanding. It was pointed out to you that in fact the Jews were kicked out because of age old conflicts between Jews and Christians, that caused the false accusations of ritual child murder. You do not understand the basic history and cause and effect between Jews and Christians. A vaguely curious person would have scoped out some basic history of this subject. Reams of books available. It is a big topic. How Jews lived in Europe under the dominance of Christianity and Christian led aristocracies.

    But not you Kali, you trudge on with mind blowing stupidity.

    Please take in what I am saying and stop your stupid commenting on my posts.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
    , @Art
    , @Kali
  268. Crazy Horse says: • Website
    @SolontoCroesus

    Russell Means ran in the 80’s with get this Larry Flynt 🙂

    Otherwise I don’t think a FBI that’s Full Blooded Indian ran. One did become VP under Hoover and there’s a few who had Indian blood (i.e more than Phony-honias Liz Warren) such as Obama and Coolidge.

    Mark himself is part Dutch on his mother’s side and full Navaho on his dad’s. If you listen to him he’s not totally down on white people just white supremacists. This includes those neoliberal frauds who insist on using their “white privilege” to bring “civilization” to everybody by “humanely bombing” them including other whites like the Serbs and those poor Russians who live in Dombass who don’t happen to want to be part of the glorious Neo-Nazi Republic of Ukraine.

    In my opinion the most oppressed group is not Indians, Hispanics or Blacks but poor white folk who have either become invisible or if they are noticed are denigrated as “trailer trash” which includes real bikers (and I don’t mean the weekend warriors) who really aren’t the racists that they’re made out to be.

    So Mark wants a nation that includes everybody not just the afore mentioned neoliberal scum who run everything. I know he’s got a few rough edges but his heart seems to be in the right place.

  269. @GeeBee

    Will you have it so? Then I guess that settles the matter.
    Your “argument” is nothing but making God according to the image and likeness of your own God-rejecting will. But only God’s intentions create reality; reality does not conform to your, Voltaire’s or any other mere man’s desires.

  270. Skeptikal says:
    @Fran Taubman

    God, you are unbearable.
    You must be a trust fund baby—the hours you spend blowing BS at everyone.
    Obviously you don’t have to work and don’t have a social life.
    I guess spouting off about and defening Judaism and every obnoxious action carried out by Jews and Zionists is a proxy for everyday normal pleasure of life.

  271. @Fran Taubman

    ‘That is your first problem. You should not be reading the Talmud. It requires a guide an interpreter and is not meant to be taken out of context and time of events…’

    I’m curious. Would that apply — say — to Mein Kampf?

  272. anarchyst says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Your statement:

    “You should not be reading the Talmud. It requires a guide an interpreter and is not meant to be taken out of context and time of events.”

    Ha Ha

    The only “context” that you fear being revealed is that of jewish supremacy being exposed. THAT is your fear…

    Why shouldn’t I be reading the talmud?? Who are YOU to say what a person can or cannot read?

    I am quite capable of discerning the meaning of everything in that vile declaration of jewish supremacy.

    It would do you well to stop hiding behind your notion of jewish supremacy, admit that you are wrong, and enter the “normal world”.

    YOU are the one with the problem.

    I can see your type “running scared” and hiding behind your jewish-derived and imposed “persecution complex.

    The “cat is out of the bag” with more and more gentiles seeing what judaism is all about, warts and all.

    The Christian zionists have a big awakening coming in any place where they are ruled by jews.

    Regards,

  273. @Skeptikal

    ‘God, you are unbearable.
    You must be a trust fund baby—the hours you spend blowing BS at everyone.
    Obviously you don’t have to work and don’t have a social life.
    I guess spouting off about and defening Judaism and every obnoxious action carried out by Jews and Zionists is a proxy for everyday normal pleasure of life.’

    It’s also a substitute for any genuine sense of self-esteem.

    It’s what Jewish mediocrities do — wrap themselves in the Team Israel flag.

    It’s like becoming a fanatic sports fan…except that the dead are real.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  274. geokat62 says:

    AIPAC: NOAHIDE LAWS ARE OBLIGATORY FOR ALL HUMANITY

    “After Noah emerged from the ark, he received a series of basic religious commandments known as the Seven Noahide Laws which Judaism considers obligatory for all of humanity.”

    https://www.aipac.org/-/media/publications/policy-and-politics/aipac-periodicals/sermon-tidbits/2015/sermontidbitsnoah5776.pdf

    In a 2015 statement uploaded to their website AIPAC affirmed they believe the Jewish Noahide Laws are “obligatory for all of humanity”. The Noahide Law prohibit non-Jews from practicing their own religion (i.e. Christianity of Buddhism), practicing “sexual immorality” and blaspheming god. Further these laws are commanded to be upheld by Noahide Courts which are to hand out the death penalty for infractions; this is stated to be the foundation of the American government by Public Law 102-14. Does AIPAC plan to set up a Jewish Noahide theocracy in America and execute non-Jews who protest?

    https://stopnoahidelaw.blogspot.com/2019/03/aipac-affirms-noahide-laws-are.html?m=1

    • Replies: @Kali
    , @Robjil
  275. anarchyst says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Hey Fran, how about explaining the talmudic declarations listed below…

    Judaism… just a few of the (((religion’s))) lesser known tenets…

    * “If a ‘goy’ (Gentile) hits a Jew he must be killed.” (Sanhedrin 58b)
    * “If a Jew finds an object lost by a ‘goy’ it does not have to be returned.” (Baba Mezia 24a)
    * “If a Jew murders a ‘goy’ there will be no death penalty.” (Sanhedrin 57a)
    * What a Jew steals from a ‘goy’ he may keep.” (Sanhedrin 57a)
    * “Jews may use subterfuges to circumvent a ‘goy.’” (Baba Kamma 113a)
    * “All children of the ‘goyim’ (Gentiles) are animals.” (Yebamoth 98a)
    * “Girls born of the ‘goyim’ are in a state of ‘niddah’ (menstrual uncleanness!) from birth.” (Abodah Zarah 36b)
    * “The ‘goyim’ are not humans. They are beasts.” (Baba Mezia 114b)
    * “If you eat with a ‘goy’ it is the same as eating with a dog.” (Tosapoth, Jebamoth 94b)
    * “Even the best of the ‘goyim’ should all be killed.” (Soferim 15)
    * “Sexual intercourse between the ‘goyim’ is like intercourse between animals.” (Sanhedrin 74b)
    * “When it comes to a Gentile in peace times, one may harm him indirectly, for instance, by removing a ladder after he had fallen into a crevice.” (Shulkan Arukh, Yoreh De ‘ah, 158, Hebrew Edition only)
    * “‘Yashu’ (derogatory for ‘Jesus’) is in Hell being boiled in hot excrement.” (Gittin 57a)
    [’Yashu’ is an acronym for the Jewish curse, ‘May his (Jesus) name be wiped out forevermore.’]
    * Yashu (Jesus) was sexually immoral and worshipped a brick.” (Sanhedrin 107b)
    * “Yashu (Jesus) was cut off from the Jewish people for his wickedness and refused to repent.” (Sotah 47a)
    * “Miriam the hairdresser had sex with many men.” (Shabbath 104b, Hebrew Edition only)
    * “She who was the descendant of princes and governors (the virgin Mary) played the harlot with carpenters.” (Sanhedrin 106a)
    * “Christians who reject the Talmud will go to hell and be punished there for all generations.” (Rosh Hashanah 17a)

    I eagerly await your intelligent refutation of the above jewish supremacist quotes.

    Regards,

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  276. @Skeptikal

    The feeling is mutual. I work night and day. I find your comments scary stupid.

    • Replies: @renfro
    , @Colin Wright
  277. @anarchyst

    I have done that a million times on this site. I am not doing it again. You can google it on your own.
    Start with the following:
    Google each one of these quotes and type after the comment what is the true meaning in the Talmud.
    This is not a game of Jeopardy. Judaism is 2500 years old. The bronze age was barbaric, it required a lot of rules and fortitude to not fall pray to barbarism, child sacrifice and decadent temple sexual practices. That is what is meant by goyim. It is no longer relevant.

    We are all considered the same after the world evolved. These quotes have been presented by Jew haters all over the world. It is a tired theme.
    Jews rejected Jesus as the Messiah. The Messiah was suppose to be a man not performing miracles like a Demi god. Only god preforms miracles.
    Jesus bringing Lazarus back from the dead was considered sorcery. Jesus was considered a sorcerer according to Jewish law.

    I am going to show you how to understand these Talmud quotes. Here is the first one I am going to google. So I picked this from above.

    “Even the best of the ‘goyim’ should all be killed.” (Soferim 15)

    Here is the link you can read it yourself, but the Talmud is layered with many commentators on top of other commentators, very dense and hard to understand.

    http://www.angelfire.com/mt/talmud/kill.html

    Here is the short/long answer how the sentence killing the best of the gentiles is taken out of context. It refers to the Jews fleeing Egypt.

    From the above teaching we see that R. Shimon ben Yochai was discussing a case of war. The G-d-fearers among the Egyptians allowed their animals to be used in battle against the Jews. Presumably, these people went along with their animals and drove the chariots. We now see that the G-d-fearers, the “good” among the gentiles, were doing battle with the Jews. To this R. Shimon ben Yochai said that, when in battle, do not try to spare the lives of those opposing soldiers who are fine, upstanding people. Kill any enemy soldier, regardless of their character. This contextual approach to understanding R. Shimon ben Yochai’s statement is how the post-Talmudic literature has read this statement [see Tosafot, Avodah Zarah 26b sv Velo; Maimonides, Mishneh Torah, Hilchot Avodah Zarah 10:1]. Reading R. Shimon ben Yochai’s teaching as a single-sentence imperative to kill all gentiles is simply wrong and is not how Jewish scholars have ever understood it.

    So anarchyst YOU CAN SEARCH EVERY LINE YOU WROTE and find a real answer. What idiocy.

    • Replies: @renfro
  278. renfro says:
    @Fran Taubman

    I work night and day.

    Ah Fran you know you sleep during the day. But I have a cure for what ails you. Confide your sickness to a friend and ask them to come into your home before dark and sprinkle seeds all over your floors.
    After a month or so of this you may be able to kick your addiction to Palestine blood.

    ”A method believed to be excellent for deterring a vampire is to sprinkle millet or other small seeds over the floor. This is because vampires are supposedly such compulsive creatures, they would feel the need to count each seed and thus be, at least temporarily, distracted from their search for fresh blood.”

    • LOL: Kali
    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  279. @renfro

    Ah Renfo. A truly sick fuck.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Art
  280. @Fran Taubman

    ‘The feeling is mutual. I work night and day…’

    I really don’t think posting on Unz can be considered ‘work.’

    …well, maybe it would be if one were being paid — but you’re definitely not being paid, Fran.

  281. @Fran Taubman

    ‘Ah Renfo. A truly sick fuck.’

    I think Fran likes you.

    • Replies: @renfro
  282. geokat62 says:

  283. It’s time to stop mud wrestling with the pig. We’re getting dirty and he is having fun.

    Probably getting paid, too.

  284. renfro says:
    @Fran Taubman

    From you link of Talmud scholars ”explaining” it to us.

    _________________________________________________________________

    ”A Jew who killed a righteous gentile is not executed in a court of law as it says (Exodus 21:14) “If a man shall act intentionall against his fellow…” [and a gentile is not considered a fellow] and even more so that he is not executed for killing an unrighteous gentile.

    What our teacher Maimonides meant when he wrote that he is not executed in a court of law is that he is nevertheless punished by Heaven.
    The above passage in Maimonides shows that there is a discrepancy between the treatment of a murderer of a Jew and a gentile. The Bible says that a murderer is only executed if he kills his “fellow” and by being parts of very different communities a gentile is not the “fellow” of a Jew. Is this murder forbidden? Absolutely. However, biblical fiat declares that this murder is not a capital punishment. However, rather than allowing this murderer to receive a minor punishment, his punishment is left to Divine providence. G-d will punish this sin appropriately because it is out of the court’s hands.
    ____________________________________________________________________

    Both the ‘passage’ you claim to explain and the ‘explanation’ are both the same.

    It says a Jew is not executed for killing a gentile because ….”The Bible says that a murderer is only executed if he kills his “fellow” and by being parts of very different communities a gentile is not the “fellow” of a Jew”.
    Then it ask …. ”Is this murder forbidden? (Meaning the murder of a gentile by a Jew) Absolutely. However. ..(However being the Jew bible catch…biblical fiat declares that this murder (of a gentile) is not a capital punishment.
    Then the final …”However, rather than allowing this murderer to receive a minor punishment, his punishment is left to Divine providence. G-d will punish this sin appropriately because it is out of the court’s hands.”
    So no punishment at all for the Jew murder of a gentile because why bother the court with such a minor punishment matter , just leave it to God to decide what is appropriate punishment for the Jew murdering a gentile in the hereafter.

    Honey, all this explaining by your ‘guides’ on how to interpret the Talmud is nothing but a ‘play on words’. Typical Jewish pilpul babble.
    I swear to God you are the stupidest people on the face of the earth…you actually believe no gentiles can understand what they read or see thru the Jewish ‘pilpul babble.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  285. renfro says:
    @Colin Wright

    I think Fran likes you.

    lol…yes,maybe she’s into S&M, she seems to be a glutton for punishment.

  286. @Truth3

    Obviously,Gilad was making a sly joke.

  287. Art says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Gee Frannie — 700 words — is Hasbara Central paying by the word these days? (What inferior silliness you type.)

    Do No Harm and Do No Business – with the morally inferior Jews.

  288. Art says:
    @Fran Taubman

    The New Talmud circa 2020 — Ah Renfo. A truly sick fuck. (Baba Frannie 666)

  289. Kali says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Oh Fran, if only you could stop with the intellectual dishonesty maybe we could have an actual conversation and reach some conclusions together. Sadly your dogmatic insistance on framing all of your assertions in terms of Jewish superiority and Jewish innocence prevents any such thing.

    If you cast your mind back you will remember that when we first engaged with one another I told you about a young (around 17) israeli girl I’d recently met. A very lovely girl, entirely innocent, who’d absorbed all of the false history regarding jews and “israel”, naturally accepting what she had been taught as fact.
    If you remember, I literally thought you were of a similar age and disposition. That you are a 60 something year old woman holding exactly the same notions regarding Jewish and “israeli” history (despite the reams of contrary information/documentation that you have been exposed to) as that child tells me all I need to know about your level of maturity and intellectual honesty (or lack thereof ).

    You asked me if there was any archeological proof showing that there were Jews or Hebrews in Palestine/ Israel. Y

    Case in point.
    This is a flat out lie Fran, and you know it.
    I asked, quite specifically about Ashkinazi connection to Palestine.

    You asked me is there any archeological proof that there was a Jewish exodus. I gave you a link to a movie “Patterns of Evidence” . You giggled that your internet was spotty and could not watch it.

    Wow! Fran, you told the truth!! Good for you. – hopefully you’ll enjoy the feeling and make a practice of it!
    I still do have spotty Internet (for the foreseeable future ) but I do hope one day to watch that documentary. I’m sure it’s hilarious!

    but did I realize that Kahzars were the main source of all the conflicts in the world. You see Khazars are deceitful, and evil because they are the offspring of satan and are involved in satanic acts.

    But here we are, back to the lies.
    I’m gonna be needing a Direct Reference/quote of me saying this. Either quote me or admit you’require lying.

    I did make a loose comparison between judaism and satanism, specifically highlighting the materialistic focus of both religions, and suggesting that this focus on materialism is a hindrance to spiritual enlightenment.
    That you twist and invert what I actually suggested to infer the above is testament to your incredible interlectual dishonesty.

    You also call the Holocaust a hoax. My family are survivors of the Holocaust. I have told them that Kali thinks they are making it up, but gosh Kali they aren’t buying your expertise. Sorry.

    Did I tell you the story of my great-grandparents, who lost 3 or 4 (can’to quite remember) of their children in one night when the air raid shelter they were in was bombed?
    My grandad survived because he was part of the home guard until he joined the royal navy and went off to fight, so he wasn’t in the shelter that night.
    Uncle George survived because he was already enlisted and off fighting the second war for zion.
    Auntie Brenda and great-grandma survived because Brenda was a baby and great-grandma kept her home to feed her.

    You see Fran, everyone who survived the war has stories of survival to tell. Just most don’t go round making ridiculous, unevidenced claims about burt offerings to yahweh. .. I mean “holocaust” of 6 gorilion jews in order to claim some kind of specialness, claim the “authority” of “victimhood”… and claim Palestine from the indigenous Palestinians.

    You are entitled to your ideas Kali

    Oh, thanks Fran.. I can almost feel the love. LOL

    Like when you said that Jews were kicked out of countries in Europe for the practice of ritual child murders. So freaking ludicrous, such a misunderstanding. It was pointed out to you that in fact the Jews were kicked out because of age old conflicts between Jews and Christians, that caused the false accusations of ritual child murder.

    Are you sure this was a conversation with me Fran? Could you be confusing me with someone else? – This isn’t something I generally discuss (ritual child sacrifice, I mean) though I don’t rule out that I may have said something in passing… again I’m gonna be needing a direct quote.

    But not you Kali, you trudge on with mind blowing stupidity.

    Please take in what I am saying and stop your stupid commenting on my posts.

    Oh my goodness! Where did the love go!? And so quickly too.

    If it’s all the same to you Franny, I’ll continue on my own sweet way, pointing out your dishonest, inversion of facts and blind, dogmatic support of the terrorist state of Israel whenever I feel so inclined.

    One last thing, just to set the record straight. I follow no religion, neither “new age” or “old age”, I simply enjoy certain practices which bring me closer to god, and the innate Divinity of Being.

    Love n hugs,
    Kali.

    • Thanks: renfro
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  290. Kali says:
    @geokat62

    Does AIPAC plan to set up a Jewish Noahide theocracy in America and execute non-Jews who protest?

    I’m sure they do… and not just in America.
    This is the hight of their hubris and of their delusion.
    Do they really think that mankind – 8 billion souls – is going to roll over for their insanity? Let them keep pushing, GeoKat. It won’t be long until mankind is done with this nonsense once and for all. 😉

    Hence Frannys’ desperation to shut us up. The truth is out and is spreading like wild-fire and there is nothing they can do to stop it.

    Much love,
    Kali.

    • Thanks: geokat62
  291. @renfro

    Wow Renfro you are turning into a real Talmud scholar. Who’d a thought. You keep digging dude. You will find something to knock your socks off.
    Bah ha ha ha !
    All stupid Goyim but you Renfro have broken the code!!! Yep that’s what the Talmud is a play on words. You should read the parts about the difference between sunset and darkness.

  292. @anarchyst

    No, don’t deport them. Just revoke their citizenship.

  293. Gilad Atzmon:
    [[What we face as western subjects is a massive battle between Athens and Jerusalem, where Athens is the birthplace of Western thought and Jerusalem is the city of revelation. Athens teaches us how to think, Jerusalem demands our obedience.
    The Western humanist values and intellectual assets we are now nostalgic for came from Athens: democracy, tolerance, freedom of speech, philosophy, Agora, science, ethics, poesis and the tragedy. Jerusalem gave us laws, mitzvoth, regimes of prescribed and proscribed behavior. Athens teaches us how to think ethically: in Jerusalem, ethics are replaced by the Ten Commandments; rules to obey. ]]

    COMMENT: Reform Judaism is the overthrow of Jerusalem by Athens, from within.

  294. Robjil says:
    @geokat62

    Every time I hear about the Noahide laws, I think of nine eleven.

    Nine Eleven happened a day related to Noah on the Jewish Calendar. It was Elul 23, the date that the Dove brings an olive leaf to Noah.

    https://godtime.app/elul-biblical-events/

    23 Elul – Dove brings olive Leaf to Noah (2105 BCE)

    Here is a Jewish view of what happened on nine eleven.

    https://www.aish.com/dijh/Elul_23.html

    Elul 23

    On September 11, 2001, Islamist terrorists hijacked four U.S. domestic airplanes, crashing two into the World Trade Center in Manhattan, one into the Pentagon, and the fourth into a rural field in Pennsylvania. Some 3,000 people died in the attacks, the most lethal ever on American soil. It was not long before Hezbollah’s al-Manar television concocted a conspiracy theory that Israeli and Jewish employees did not show up for work at the WTC on 9/11, supposedly based on a tip from the Israeli General Security apparatus, the Shabak. In fact, the attacks claimed an estimated at 400-500 Jewish victims, including five Israelis. However, it has been speculated that indeed many Jews may have been late for work that day, since the attack occurred a few days prior to Rosh Hashana, when Jews extend their morning prayers with the “Slichot” service.
    23 Elul 5779
    And, suddenly, just like that, the high holidays were a week away

    This another odd Jewish point of view of Elul 23.

    https://www.tumblr.com/search/23+Elul

    And, suddenly, just like that, the high holidays were a week away
    S C R E A M 

    Here is a Jewish point of view of what a dove and olive branch means.

    http://www.inner.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/5777.pdf

    Let’s continue to another stage of our meditation on this image. When we open the Zohar, the classic text o Kabbalah, we find that the olive itself (the fruit) symbolizes King David, while the olive leaf is a symbol for the Mashiach the son of David.5 Yonah means dove, but it is also the name of the one prophet in the Bible who was sent specifically to the nations, Jonah. He was the child thatEliyahu the prophet brought back to life. Like the dove (the Yonah) that brought tidings of the new world to Noach, so Eliyahu brings us all tidings of redemption for the world. The literal meaning of the flood story and the dove returning with the olive branch is that a new world, a new epoch is about to begin. When translated by the Zohar, the dove bearing the olive leaf is a symbol for Elijah coming and heralding the coming of the Mashiach.

    • Thanks: Kali
  295. Prajna says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    Fran, since we need help to understand the Talmud, can you answer the following for me:

    At the end of the Jewish uprising, 135ad, was the Talmud correct when it said the Romans killed 4 billion Jews or was the Midras closer with its figure of 800 million? Maybe it was 6 gorrilion but I hope you can settle this dispute. Asking for a friend.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
    , @Dissenter22
  296. @Prajna

    Google it find the answer your self.

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  297. anonymous[147] • Disclaimer says:

    Fran-think:

    Fran Taubman @ #276: “You should not be reading the Talmud. It requires a guide an interpreter”

    [responding to Prajna @ 308 — “Fran, since we need help to understand the Talmud, can you answer the following for me . . .” ]

    Fran Taubman @ #309: “Google it find the answer your self.”

    • LOL: geokat62
  298. It seems you are saying NAJALT.

    It only takes a small percentage, say 10%.

  299. Fran’s an anti-semite’s dream.

    Aaron’s not bad either — but he’s more subtle. Requires a more refined palate, so to speak.

  300. renfro says:
    @Kali

    You see Fran, everyone who survived the war has stories of survival to tell

    ”The bride at every wedding,the corpse at every funeral.” is the saying about the Jews need to make everything about them.
    They make public displays of their grief and suffering, its their culture .
    Very unlike most of gentile society who is more reserved and keeps their grief private
    If every Jew on the internet who claims their family was a victim of the nazis was true there be even more than 6 million Jews dead.

    • Thanks: Kali
    • Replies: @geokat62
  301. geokat62 says:
    @renfro

    ”The bride at every wedding,the corpse at every funeral.” is the saying about the Jews need to make everything about them.

    Your quote reminded me of this funny Jewish joke:

    There is a story told of an Oxford University professor who decided to ask his students to write a paper on the elephant. This is what he got back from them.

    The British student wrote about, ‘The human rights of the elephant’
    The French student wrote about, ‘The elephant and his love life’
    The Japanese student wrote about, ‘The elephant and its place in IT’
    The American student wrote about, ‘Elephants and the war machine’
    The Israeli student wrote about, ‘The elephant and the Jewish problem’

    http://www.awordinyoureye.com/jokes56thset.html

    • LOL: renfro
  302. Sam J. says:
    @Anon

    “…The South has much more to be ashamed of than the Civil War. ..”

    The what does that say about the Jews who brought the slaves from Africa in the first place? What does it say about the Jews that 40% of them owned slaves?

    This constant blaming of others for the problems the Jews caused in the first place is just another, in a very long line, of reasons we need to get rid of the Jews. Peacefully if we can get it but by any means possible they need to go.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  303. Sam J. says:
    @Fran Taubman

    “…You are a Jew hater…”
    Uuuhhh…what’s wrong with that????

    “…tin hat Jew hater…”

    Is it ok to be a cotton-polyester hat hater?

  304. @Sam J.

    You should submit a proposal for how to get rid of the Jews. I am sure the FBI would be very interested. You have an IQ of – 2 to say something like that in public.
    You realize you are inciting violence. “By any means
    possible”.
    Come for me fuck face. I am carrying.

    • LOL: Commentator Mike
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Art
    , @Sam J.
    , @Sam J.
  305. @Fran Taubman

    ‘You should submit a proposal for how to get rid of the Jews. I am sure the FBI would be very interested. You have an IQ of – 2 to say something like that in public…’

    So much for freedom of speech. I suppose it would be a bad idea to discuss who did away with it?

    …maybe you should report that as well, Fran.

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  306. Art says:
    @Fran Taubman

    “Come for me fuck face. I am carrying.”

    Oh my’ — a reading from the 2020 New Talmud (Baba Frannie – 666)

  307. @Colin Wright

    Colin,

    So this is how all conversations with them end. You can’t say “By any means possible”. But would they object to a black saying “by any means necessary”? Or “by any available means”, “by each and every means”?

    But if we were having this conversation in Israel about Palestinians, where Jews carry signs “kill all Palestinians” in public and those T-shirts about sniping pregnant women to get two kills with one bullet, and … I’m not digging them up to post as we’ve all seen them, and worse from Jews, countless times.

    But interesting how they hide behind the law in US and Europe yet disregard any international laws in Israel, and through their usual means also get the US and EU to disregard international laws and bomb Arab countries on their behalf. They’ll always find an excuse to justify their aggression against the Arabs but never acknowledge the right of whites to defend themselves by any means necessary.

    • Agree: Prajna, Colin Wright
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    , @renfro
  308. Prajna says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    So you are just as puzzled as the rest of us, eh Frannie?

    Maybe I should ask on Quora.com, that’s a jid thing, isn’t it?

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  309. Sam J. says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Notice I said peaceful if possible but by any means necessary if not.

    “…You should submit a proposal for how to get rid of the Jews…”

    Ok here’s a start. We had a perfectly good system, Republican Democracy (a Republic), and it was destroyed by the courts. In fact this is a manufactured crisis. It used to be that most States had a Senate just like the Federal government that had regional representation. The Supreme Court ruled this illegal. Destroying this regional balance in the States is causing huge friction. Friction where now it’s a winner take all instead of a compromise. This can be changed by a better than 50% vote in the House and Senate to limit the Courts decision on this. The Legislature of the U.S. can TELL the Courts what they can decide on. They can not just decide on any laws what so ever if the Legislature tells them not to.

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articleiii

    “…In all the other cases before mentioned, the Supreme Court shall have appellate jurisdiction, both as to law and fact, with such exceptions, and under such regulations as the Congress shall make…”

    “…with such exceptions, and under such regulations as the Congress shall make…” The important part. The earlier part declares what powers they have but it ends with control of these functions by Congress. Congress could tell them to butt out of anything they wish too. All we need is a Congress with the balls to do so and we could turn the whole country around in months.

    2.Another bad decision by the Courts was to declare that there could be no test for voting. This means no pole taxes or intelligence test. Think if we made you paying positive amount of taxes into the treasury a requisite for voting. We could turn the whole country around in months. Lots of major rioting and trouble but at some point this would calm down.

    Of course the Republicans when they had the House, the Senate and the Presidency could have fixed both of these, stopped illegal and corrupt voting but did nothing. They could have reigned for a decade easy and pushed for laws in Whites interest.

    3. The banking system is set up to loot the whole country. The best explanation for this is this post by Charles Hugh Smith. It’s worth reading because it’s short and makes it abundantly clear what the situation is.

    http://charleshughsmith.blogspot.com/2017/08/the-5-steps-to-world-domination.html

    Change these three things and it would a massive ripple effect throughout the whole society. The first two could be done by pigheaded Conservative legislature that refused to compromise. The third could be affected by combination with the Left who hate the bankers as much as I do. It would probably be best to take on the bankers first as they are a large part of the pozz.

    Changing these three things would take away a LOT of power from the Jews.

    Now we have to make sure the Jews are not stealing all our votes I have a good start on that too. Verified voting.

    There’s a way to make digital voting that controls fraud. Here’s how.

    1. All voter registration MUST be before the elections. No registering and voting same day. Ideally it should be at least six months before the vote so the PUBLIC registration list can be checked by third parties.
    2. Absentee ballots should be only for controlled reasons such as being out of town for work, in the hospital, etc. There has to be controls on these and the absentee votes are only allowed at the same time the polls are open.
    3. All PUBLICLY registered voters are printed in a list that goes to the polling area. Only the exact number of registered voters ballots are printed on regular paper. If the ballot is long then there are multiple sheets of paper for the ballot.
    3. Each ballot has the candidates and proposals printed on the standard copy paper, (save money), with a lined border 1/2″ or so around it and a rectangular border at the bottom. Each voter must show some sort of picture ID to get a ballot. As each voter receives a ballot the voting official must draw a line through the voters name on the public voters list. All these list and the drawing through of voters names will be recorded on commercial digital cameras and the final amount of ballots will be added to a database.
    4. The voter marks his ballot by coloring over a square on the ballot. Same with multiple sheets if necessary. Then on the border, except the bottom, the voter scribbles random lines, numbers, pictures, whatever they wish in the borders.
    5. The voter takes the ballot to a recording area where a cheap digital web cam takes a picture of the ballot and automatically tallies the vote. On the computer screen after the picture is taken it will show what the computer vote tally is, who and what they voted for, and they will then hit yes or no for each page. The voters ballot picture, PLUS IMPORTANTLY, their random scribble in the border will be run through a hash program for each page, (sha256, MD5, SHA512, whatever, look up “digital hash” to understand what I’m talking about) this hash number, (essentially a digital fingerprint), will be displayed and it will be copied into the bottom border of the ballot of the voter. The voter keeps the ballot for verification and proof.
    6. Each polling place will keep the pictures of the public voting list after all the voters ballots are handed out, pictures of the individual ballots, the contents of the vote and the hash in a database for at least one year. All these tallies are added up and you then get the vote total. All can be independently verified as all of it is public
    7. Each polling station will have a server that keeps this database plus backups. Anyone can put in their hash number and download their picture plus their voter tally. Anyone can download the whole database of values for that polling station with BitTorrent that will include, pictures of the public voting list after all the voters ballots are handed out,(and most importantly how many ballots are handed out by counting the number of voters lined through), pictures of ballots(tied to the hash number), public voter registration list and the tallies of the votes. They will be able to pick out their vote and ballot picture with just the hash number to check their results.
    8. The number of votes cast will have to equal the number of ballots handed out.
    9. Software could be provided for absentee voters for personal computers, cell phones or absentee voters could vote early at designated centers.
    10. Test voting with a test ballot would be provided so that absentee or “ignorant” voters could practice to make sure they know how to vote. It’s up to the voter to test this before the election. (If you’re too stupid to do such a simple thing you shouldn’t vote).
    11. All votes would be counted immediately as the polls closed and added to the public database.

    This would be a major block against fraud. I doubt it would stop it but it would prevent widespread cheating.

    I submit that a real verified voting system can make a BIG difference. Certainly in California several Congressmen would be Republicans instead of Democrats with verified voting as I suggested. They stole several seats. They lost and then just kept counting absentee ballots until they won.

    You can’t tell the future and you can’t tell what impact a few extra honest people in the legislature will do. I suspect with a good number of honest people in the legislature that refuse to compromise the truth it could have a large effect. There would be no sweeping things under the rug with these guys in office. A simple direct example is the House and Senate were about to pass “immigration reform”, meaning they were going to make illegal aliens legal and Sen. Jeff Sessions brought the whole thing to a stop. He made it such an issue and slowed everything down until the people raised enough hell that they tabled the whole idea. This is a HUGE difference made that was down to one Man refusing to compromise.

    With verified honest voting, people who want to run could have a massive advantage in the primary run offs in the States against the global homo Jew machine. They could get out a huge mass of people who are royally pissed about the situation in our country. If you read the polls it’s a MAJORITY. It would make sure these peoples votes would be be counted. Hardly anyone votes in the primaries. I personally threw out my State Representative in the primaries because he was such a liberal ass. Even with voter fraud he lost by several hundred votes. I was one of those who had been gerrymandered into his district and I and few others booted his ass to the curb. If you look at the numbers I bet primary votes have the force multiplier of times ten and maybe much higher. It would greatly temper Representatives following the party line on issues that piss off their voters like immigration. This would totally change the character of elections.

    There would still be voter fraud no doubt but doing nothing because of it not being perfect is not a rational solution to our problems.

    These things would be a good start in getting rid of the Jews. With more honest legislature you could get people that would refuse to bow to the Jews. There would investigations of the Jew attacks on 9-11 where building 7 fell the same speed as if it were held up by air. There would be investigations into how the Jew run FED system charges us interest for every single penny and does “nothing” but rip us off. There would investigations into all of the fraud in the housing and loan business that we had to bail out the banks for 800 billion and then how they got 30 trillion in essentially zero interest loans. There would be investigations into the many, many missing trillions of dollars from the Defense department and Housing and Human service budgets. These investigations will of course find the Jews ripping us off and attacking us AND THEN we will throw the Jews out. Get rid of the damn Jews, peacefully if we can get it but by any means necessary if we have to.

    Eventually Fran you will be thrown out like the Jews have been thrown out of every single country the Jews have every gone to for the whole of their history. The effect of a mass of Jews moving into your territory is in no way distinguishable from a tribe of psychopaths moving in and no one, no one can stand psychopaths for long. You just can not live with them. The only answer that has worked miracles for millions and millions of people and brought them great health, wealth and happiness is to throw the Jews out.

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  310. @Prajna

    The Talmud is not a source of historical data.
    The Talmud mostly is a record of debates among Rabbis applying principles of TORAH and MISHNA to real and hypothetical moral dilemmas.
    Talmud debates usually end without a consensus among the Rabbis. That’s why all the best lawyers are Jews who have studied Talmud.
    _____
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethical_dilemma
    An ethical dilemma is a decision-making problem between two possible moral imperatives, neither of which is unambiguously acceptable or preferable. The complexity arises out of the situational conflict in which obeying would result in transgressing another.

  311. @Sam J.

    So glad you revealed your true mental state which is obviously deranged and sick.
    Seek medical help before you hurt someone.

    • Troll: Kali
    • Replies: @Sam J.
  312. @Prajna

    See #323. A brilliant answer I hope this stops your clown show of yidim.

    I can see you guys standing around with your dicks in your hands saying.
    “ah gee Geo what should we ask her now. I know lets ask her about: what happens when a goy takes two snickers bars from a Jew, who stole camels from a goy?

    I have never studied one page of the Talmud. It is an anachronistic document that is relevant to Rabbinical scholars. It is not nor had it ever been a legal document who’s ideas are adjudicated. Again read #323.

  313. Sam J. says:
    @Fran Taubman

    I would like to go even further. The reason the Jews are so powerful if you look at the root of their power is control of information, With this they hide the fact that they have control of the financial system and many other systems. This is rapidly eroding and they know it. Want to help? Want to get rid of the Jews? Slowly there are networks being created that go around the Jews on the net but this is not enough. Here’s the kill shot. The rapid and complete destruction of the Jews and it’s being built now but it’s not there yet. Completely decentralized forums that have anonymity.

    Let’s look at some of these and what is need. The first is Freenet. Freenet is good for decentralized web pages but it does have a few problems with speed and it’s a first generation system.

    After that we have Tor. Tor is also great and has a somewhat anonymous system but it has problems that you have to rent servers. They are not distributed.

    I2P is great one. Much more anonymous but it too has to have a central server for your site. It’s also slow.

    Zeronet. I only used this a few times so I can’t totally comment except for it relies heavily on javascript which I really don’t like. It has big time the right idea. It’s a huge move in the right direction. You can visit a site and if you like like pin it to your drive. This means you will become a server of whatever site you like just like bittorrent shares files but in this case it’s web sites. Great…but javascript…sigh. Another good thing about zeronet is can have some anonymity by using Tor to link sites.

    IPFS-InterPlanetary File System. This is another fantastic distributed system. It’s my understanding that it “can” have anonymity but is not set up that way yet????? Sort of like zeronet

    Here’s a new one I really like but…it’s not done either. Lokinet. This looks really good they are taking a lot of stuff from Tor and I2P, some of the programmers are I2PD[“C” program language based I2P] people and are now at Lokinet. It has a digital cash system so that it stays funded plus speed plus anonymity plus a distributed system. Maybe some sort of mash up of Lokinet with IPFS would do the trick.

    If you want get rid of the Jews the single most important thing you can do is to support in any way possible a decentralized net with forums, file trading and distributed web sites that individuals can share their personal web bandwidth to make the whole greater than the small parts. Each person could have their own little web site like a facebook page and if people like you they will copy your site and become a server of your site or forum. The more people serve your site the faster it works. You could also buy space on other peoples computers or servers to speed up your site. Then it will only be a matter of time. It will becomes abundantly clear to everyone what the Jews have done and we will get rid of the Jews.

    As far as I’m concerned what Fran can carry is her ass out of my country and back to the hell hole that is Israel as I’m the biggest Zionist on planet earth. I want ALL the Jews there.

    When the Jews are all confined to Israel children will be healthier, people will smile more, everyone will get a raise, jobs will be more plentiful, housing will be cheaper, profits will go up, dancing in the streets will make a big come back and even clothes will be brighter if we can just get rid of the Jews.

  314. Sam J. says:
    @Fran Taubman

    “…So glad you revealed your true mental state which is obviously deranged and sick…”

    We’ll really see my mental state when you’re deported to Israel and we get rid of the Jews.

    “…Seek medical help before you hurt someone…”

    You’ll really try to tell me what to do when you’re deported to Israel and we get rid of the Jews.

  315. Saggy says: • Website
    @sarz

    Could be because he would be dismisssed by Jew media power as a Holocaust denier.

    You don’t need to look for a reason, it is because he is a Jew. I don’t t think there is one honest Jewish denier beyond Menuhin (who may not have a Jewish mother?). Even Unz writes … “More research is needed.” and “I’ve only studied the subject for a few weeks”. No more research is needed, the holocaust is a preposterous hoax that was exposed by Butz’s book in 1976.

    Anyway, I don’t need Meznitsky—whom you think I should know because he was associated with Shahak, whom I must know…that’s pretty tiresome—to tell me the gospel view of what Gilad thinks or has thought.

    ? No, you, everybody, should know Shahak and Meznitsky and the books ‘Jewish History, Jewish Religion, the Weight of 3000 Years’ and ‘Jewish Fundamentalism in Israel’ in order to have some understanding of Judaism vis a vis the west.

    I think Gilad is in danger of now confusing himself with some sort of monument.

    LOL. Just so. However, Guyanot writes that Atzmon was a inspiration to him, so he’s doing something right.

    • Replies: @sarz
  316. Prajna says: • Website

    Yeah, pilpul. I read it (well, a number of books anyway) and spotted that immediately. It was sorta obvious that g-d says “Do this!” or “Don’t do that!” and immediately the jews do the opposite and the rabbis set about arguing how to get round the mandate or prohibition. Human beings tend to look down on such behaviour and call it sly or crafty but the (((tribe))) seem to think it’s something to laud and emulate. And yes, (((they))) have fucked up the justice system with judicial notice and legal fictions so that justice itself has become meaningless. Little wonder (((they))) are generally dispised.

    • Agree: anarchyst
  317. Saggy says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    I have never studied one page of the Talmud.

    Just out of curiosity, what have you studied? I’ve become interested in Jewish ‘literature’ recently and apparently the major books are
    Torah / Tanakh
    Talmud
    Mishneh Torah – Maimonides
    Shulchan Aruch
    Kitzur Shulchan Aruch
    Any of these? Others?

    It is an anachronistic document that is relevant to Rabbinical scholars.

    Guyanot makes an absolutely convincing argument that the Torah is a blueprint for what is going on now in Israel .

  318. anarchyst says:

    Your statement:

    “An ethical dilemma is a decision-making problem between two possible moral imperatives, neither of which is unambiguously acceptable or preferable. The complexity arises out of the situational conflict in which obeying would result in transgressing another.”

    …is why jews are so successful. You see, a “moral dilemma” for a jew is a situation in which a jew could be “disadvantaged” by following a “moral law”. The jewish “solution” is to find a “loophole”.

    The jewish talmud is good for this, acting as a reference in which to find a “loophole”. Since the talmud defines gentiles as “animals with souls, born to serve the jews”, the permission and allowance for jewish criminality and misbehavior is set.

    It’s not “smarts” or “IQ” that gives jews an advantage over gentiles, but is their rabid insistence on cultural and social cohesiveness, insularity and nepotism (but only for themselves) that gives them an “advantage”.

    This same cultural and social cohesiveness that is prized so highly by jewish interests is denied to gentiles.

    Jews, to a man will fight to deny this same cultural and social cohesiveness to gentiles that they themselves enjoy as it is a major part of the jewish purpose–the destruction of gentile culture, which IS superior to any jewish cultural or social society. If jews did not possess this power, they would most likely be rag merchants, liquor merchants, or furniture merchants–nothing more.

    As I have previously stated, jewish success is based on cultural and social cohesiveness and insularity–NOT “smarts” or “IQ”.

    Jews are the only group that lacks a moral component. Jews are very amoral, think nothing of screwing a “goy” out of money, possessions, or even reputation or life. You see, the jewish talmud elevates the jew above all others, “goyim” being “livestock with souls, created only to serve the jew”.

    This amorality is a critical component in jewish life and is partially responsible for jewish successes. When one does not possess a moral compass that defines and separates “right from wrong” THAT in itself gives the jew greater latitude to “get what he wants” as there are “no limits” on what a jew may do to gain the advantage in just about any situation. The lack of a moral component within jewish life is a major reason for jewish supremacy in civilized societies.

    A great reckoning dealing with the jews is coming. As gentile whites become more marginalized, the accusation of being tagged as “racist” or a “holocaust denier” is rapidly losing its “sting”.

    Increasingly, jews are more wary of being “called out” and recognized as “jews”. One can call a jew a shyster, shylock, bankster, criminal or ne-er-do-well, and it will roll off his back like water off a duck, BUT call a jew a “jew”, and he will recoil in horror, having been “found out”. This is a major reason why so many jews change and “anglicize” their names.

    One last point is the jewish practice of “male genital mutilation” (circumcision) (bris) performed on the eighth day after birth.

    This barbaric practice contributes to mental illness among jews in two ways
    –one, the practice itself which inflicts unnecessary pain on the infant
    –two, the practice of the “mohel” fellating the infant (metzitzah b’peh) after the “deed is done”.

    This is a sure way of passing on the STDS that are infecting the “mohel” to the infant. As most STDs do not manifest themselves until later in life, mental illness is the result. Maybe this is a reason why many jews are so “twisted”…

    • Agree: Sam J.
    • Replies: @geokat62
  319. Prajna says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    I read it and replied, Frannie. Maybe you should read some Talmud, Frannie, then you might see how twisted the thinking is and why your rabbis spout such obnoxious drivel so often. The other thing that might leap out to you, as it did to me, is how it shows that the whole cult was designed so that some self-appointed babilonian levites could parasitise their gullible followers with the sole compensation for said followers that they could themselves parasitise and oppress everyone else. It’s like the littlest-pig-syndrome.

  320. Prajna says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    And, btw Frannie, only a jew would think it’s a ‘brilliant answer’ because it answers a question I didn’t ask and avoids answering the question I actually asked.

  321. geokat62 says:
    @anarchyst

    You see, the jewish talmud elevates the jew above all others, “goyim” being “livestock with souls, created only to serve the jew”.

    But, but, but… Fran said the Talmud says we’re all the same, created in Hashem’s image?

    Now, she has also recently disclosed that she has never studied one page of the Talmud, but don’t let a minor detail like that get in the way.

  322. Judaism is an ancient narcissistic personality disorder disguised as a religion. Let me repeat: Judaism is a narcissistic personality disorder. It’s a psychopathy. It’s a cult. It’s dangerous to all humans, including to Jews. Let’s open wikipedia and check out what the symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder are and how they compare to Judaism’s basic tenets:

    1. Grandiosity with expectations of superior treatment from other people – “We are chosen by HaShem himself, we have a special mission and other nations must respect us”.
    2. Continually demeaning, bullying and belittling others – “Other nations are made to serve us. We are amazing and correct, others are often wrong”.
    3. Exploiting others to achieve personal gain – “It’s ok to exploit the goyim if there is something to gain for me and for other followers of our perfect cult”.
    4. Lack of empathy for the negative impact they have on the feelings, wishes, and needs of other people – “We demand other nations to respect us, but we don’t respect them even one bit. In fact we feel threatened by other nation’s narcissism. Our narcissism is the only one that is allowed.”
    5. Fixation on fantasies of power, success, intelligence, attractiveness, etc. – “We don’t rule the whole planet yet, but when the Messiah comes, we will rule everything. This has been promised to us.”
    6. Self-perception of being unique, superior, and associated with high-status people and institutions – “We are associated with the most high-status thing possible – God”
    7. Need for continual admiration from others – “If anyone doubts our moral superiority and righteousness even one bit he must be sileneced. We are perfect.”
    8. Sense of entitlement to special treatment and to obedience from others – “As many of our leaders, including the great Rabbi Ovadia Yosef who had 1 million followers on his funeral, have repeated many times, goyim are made to serve us. The only reason why God may give long life to a goy is because a Jew needs him as a servant. Goyim must obey the rules we impose unto them.”
    9. Intense envy of others, and the belief that others are equally envious of them – “Amalek is out there to kill us, so we must kill him first.” and other typical projections.

    • Agree: Sam J.
    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Sam J.
  323. geokat62 says:
    @amazingnessify

    Interesting list you’ve compiled there, amazingnessify.

    But you need one more item in your list to give it the usual form of a Top 10 list.

    May I suggest the following:

    10. Adherence to concept of Tikkun olam to justify all the -isms they’ve introduced to the world that have resulted in the deaths of tens of millions of innocent peoples.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  324. @Commentator Mike

    ‘… But if we were having this conversation in Israel about Palestinians, where Jews carry signs “kill all Palestinians” in public and those T-shirts about sniping pregnant women to get two kills with one bullet, and …’

    It was Fran herself who just proposed driving the Palestinians into Sinai…a much more explicitly genocidal prescription than ‘by any means necessary.’

  325. Let me be very bold and clear about Sam J’s comments. If you read his post he is unhinged. I am surprised the moderator let this drivel pass.

    This constant blaming of others for the problems the Jews caused in the first place is just another, in a very long line, of reasons we need to get rid of the Jews. Peacefully if we can get it but by any means possible they need to go.

    With this they hide the fact that they have control of the financial system and many other systems. This is rapidly eroding and they know it. Want to help? Want to get rid of the Jews? Slowly there are networks being created that go around the Jews on the net but this is not enough. Here’s the kill shot. The rapid and complete destruction of the Jews and it’s being built now but it’s not there yet. Completely decentralized forums that have anonymity.

    Let’s look at some of these and what is need. The first is Freenet. Freenet is good for decentralized web pages but it does have a few problems with speed and it’s a first generation system.

    After that we have Tor. Tor is also great and has a somewhat anonymous system but it has problems that you have to rent servers. They are not distributed.

    If you look at any of the gun violence carried out by mad men. Violence towards everyone including Blacks, Christians, and Jews. It starts with postings like Sam J on the internet. This guy in my opinion is dangerous and shame on Ron for letting Sam J post genocidal quasi violent comments. He is clearly unhinged and how much would it take to push him over the edge? Violence does not come from a vacuum. It is built up over time and ratcheted slowly.

    Posts like this do nothing but hold a flashlight to this site which I believe is more or less dedicated to a serious discussion.

  326. renfro says:
    @Commentator Mike

    But interesting how they hide behind the law in US and Europe

    It’s part of their pattern. What Jews don’t write about is the periods thru the centuries when Jews were actually protected by various rulers, Kings, Queens by virtue of the ‘court Jews’ who served them in various roles such as tax collectors.
    The exiles of Jews from countries came when the peasants revolted against the Jews practices and the ruler’s who allowed.it…that put the ruler in danger of losing his serfs who labors provided his kingdom’s income so the ruler chose to get ride of the Jews rather than risk revolt and overthrow.

    Still continuing today.

  327. sarz says:
    @Saggy

    No denying Shahak’s importance. That was a mensch. But referring to him or Meznitsky is irrelevant regarding what Gilad really thinks.

    I’m pissed off with Gilad for not grasping the nettle. While there’s no denying his courage and basic decency—and the brilliance of “pre-traumatic stress disdorder”—he needs a push so that he can rest for a minute from ceaseless revising and announce his well-won belief that the Holocaust story is a crock of shit. All beliefs are revisable as a matter of epistemological necessity. But we don’t go all shy because of that when we say the earth orbits the sun.

    • Replies: @Saggy
  328. anonymous[147] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Taubman

    I am surprised the moderator let this drivel pass.

    perhaps moderator is de-sensitized to drivel by the cesspool of drivel accumulated under avatar “Fran Taubman.”

    Speaking of de-sensitization, Israeli toy soldiers kill unarmed Palestinians, including children, with high-tech weapons, not only with impunity but to the adulation of Jews including Fran Taubman

    Fran is all for killing other people who have committed no crime other than demanding that Jews who are stealing Palestinians’ lands, crops, businesses, etc. cease doing so.

    Targeted killings by Israel Defense Forces
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Targeted_killings_by_Israel_Defense_Forces

    ‘Fire at every person’: Israeli soldiers reveal they were ordered to shoot to kill in Gaza combat zones – even if targets may have been civilians
    Israeli campaign group Breaking the Silence interviews more than 60 members of the Israeli army, air force and navy, including soldiers and officers
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/fire-at-every-person-you-see-israeli-soldiers-reveal-they-were-ordered-to-shoot-to-kill-in-gaza-even-10223427.html

    It starts with postings like Sam J on the internet. This guy in my opinion is dangerous and shame on Ron for letting Sam J post genocidal quasi violent comments. He is clearly unhinged and how much would it take to push him over the edge? Violence does not come from a vacuum. It is built up over time and ratcheted slowly.

    Then why the f&%k don’t you goddam Jews stop “ratcheting up slowly” the oppressions of everybody and anybody who does not kiss your butts?

    What Jewish people have suffered as much as the men who sought to exercise their right to speak and protest in Charlottesville?
    Freak Jewish queers have massed resources to ensure that many of those men will spend their lives in jail, or bankrupted, or silenced, or the rest of their young lives ruined because freak Jewish queers didn’t like the truths they had to say about Jewish oppression and distortion of American culture.

    If you are afraid of “genocide,” you hysterical shrewish gasbag, stop oppressing the American people.

    You’ve got your ‘holy zion,’ your gangster hideout on the Mediterranean; go there, every last fricking one of you.
    The world is fed up with Jews. That’s why Jews feel compelled to resurrect Hitler, to demonize him over and over again — the eternal scapegoat for Jewish crimes.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    , @Sam J.
  329. renfro says:

    If you look at any of the gun violence carried out by mad men. Violence towards everyone including Blacks, Christians, and Jews. It starts with postings like Sam J on the internet. This guy in my opinion is dangerous and shame on Ron for letting Sam J post genocidal quasi violent comments. He is clearly unhinged and how much would it take to push him over the edge? Violence does not come from a vacuum. It is built up over time and ratcheted slowly.

    We could bury you in quotes by you and other Jews advocating genocide of Palestines.
    And we can show that you ‘went over the edge’ 70 years.

    But you are right …’over the edge’ is building. I look forward to a real fight between Americans and Jews over ownership of the US and of Palestine.

    We promise we won’t dangle any of your dead bodies from the tip of a bulldozer like Jews do to their kills. We are after all warriors , not primitive savages like you.

    • Agree: Prajna
  330. @Saggy

    Saggy,

    The Talmud is not the Torah. The Torah is the 5 books of Moses. That I have studied extensively.
    The Talmud is like what #323. It is esoteric and time sensitive.

    The biggest misconception is the use of the word goyim.which is different then used today to describe non Jews. During the bronze age goyim literally meant nations. Usually referring to barbican nations that did not have moral or ethical standards for sexual practices, temple practices, and sanity of life. They were engaged in cild sacrifice, beastality, incest, and ritual sexual practices that I cannot even mention here. THAT IS WHAT IS MEANT BY GOYIM, a bronze age barbaric nation. Like some neanderthal wonders into camps steels some bread and disembowels two Jews before leaving camp.
    That is a goy. It is meaningless today. Since we are most countries have moral and ethical laws to protect the sanctity of life, family etc.

    I study Torah the 5 books
    Tayna which is the mystical study of the Kabbalah.
    Tayna is also tricky as it is allegorical practically pantheism. You also need
    a guide to study the text which are dense.

    Maimonides guide to the perplexedd which is very accessible and explains a lot about Judaism.
    Shulchan Aruch is a code of Jewish law. Very dry.
    Mishneh Torah is 14 books and very difficult to get thru.

    • Replies: @Prajna
    , @Saggy
  331. anarchyst says:
    @anonymous

    You are absolutely correct. Fran Taubman has a problem but still does not recognize it.

    If (s)he (Taubman) had her way, everyone who questions that “holiest of holies “holocaust ™” would be prosecuted and incarcerated for “thought crimes”.

    An alternative would be confinement to a “mental institution” for the false jewish-invented psychiatric “crime” of “oppositional defiance disorder”.

    Yes, there are moves to criminalize those who do not believe the “holocaust ™” fable.

    The use of psychiatry to criminalize opposition to falsehoods was widely used in the jewish bolshevik communist Soviet Union.

    Monika Schaefer, Sylvia Stolz, Ursula Haverbeck, Ernst Zundel, and many others are martyrs who have been persecuted for refusing to believe the lies and fabrications of those who promote the jewish “holocaust ™”.

  332. Truth3 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Folks on this site are just fucking stupid and nuts.

    Jewess take on non-Jews.

    Because she is wrong about everything, and we do not agree with her, we are the FS&N group.

    Chutzpah thy name is Frannie.

  333. @Fran Taubman

    ‘…If you look at any of the gun violence carried out by mad men. Violence towards everyone including Blacks, Christians, and Jews. It starts with postings like Sam J on the internet. This guy in my opinion is dangerous and shame on Ron for letting Sam J post genocidal quasi violent comments…’

    How about someone who advocates driving millions into a waterless desert? What would you say about a monster like that, Fran?

    How would you say genocide starts, Fran?

    Think this monster should be allowed to continue to post?

    • Agree: Kali
  334. @Saggy

    The history of Judaism has an unbroken chain of command from 500 BC forward. At every turn there is a timeline and commentator. It is precise. At every turn there are major differences between sages for the direction of Judaism going back to Hillel and Shamni.
    Here is the timeline along with sites you can visit. I know it is more then you want, but it reflects the breath of history of ancient Judaism and the facts about its twist and turns.

    [MORE]

    1. First Generation before and shortly after the Destruction of the Temple (c. 40 BCE-80 CE):
Rabban Yohanan ben Zakkai, Shimon ben Gamliel and Judah ben Baba
    2. Second Generation between the destruction of the Temple and Bar Kokhba’s revolt:
Rabban Gamaliel II of Yavneh, Rabbi Joshua ben Hananiah ben Hannania and Rabbi Eliezer ben Hurcanus, the teachers of Rabbi Akiva, as well as Gamaliel of Yavne and Eleazar ben Arach
    3. Third Generation around Bar Kochba’s revolt:
Rabbi Akiva, Rabbi Tarfon, Ishmael ben Elisha, Eleazar ben Azariah, Jose the Galilean, Nathan the Babylonian and Elisha ben Abuyah (the “Other” or apostate)
    4. Fourth Generation after the revolt:
Shimon ben Gamliel of Yavne, Rabbi Meir, Shimon bar Yochai (who, according to traditional lore, wrote the Zohar), Jose ben Halafta, Yehuda ben Ilai and Rabbi Nehemiah
    5. Fifth Generation: the generation of Rabbi Judah haNasi, who compiled the Mishnah.
    6. Sixth Generation, an interim generation between the Mishnah and the Talmud:
Rabbis Rabbi Hiyya, Shimon ben Judah HaNasi and Yehoshua ben Levi.

    Tannanim

    Tannanim 2

    Tannanim 3

    Tannanim 5

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tannaim

    http://jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/14240-tannaim-and-amoraim
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amoraim
    https://www.geni.com/projects/Talmudic-Era-Tannaim-Amoraim-and-Geonim/1385
    https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/tannaim-amp-amoraim

  335. Prajna says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    They were engaged in cild sacrifice, beastality, incest, and ritual sexual practices that I cannot even mention here

    Seems an apt summary of what (((is being promoted))) as morally acceptable today.

    Also seems Frannie has hijacked the whole thread (maybe her handlers will chuck her a few extra sheckles). It’s a pity really because it was an excellent article on an interesting subject: I think ‘identity’, which is the definition of ego, is the key reason for the world’s problems. Yids are just the world’s most fanatical egoists/identarians, hence they dominate the ranks of those destroying society, humanity and the world in general.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  336. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    I can see you guys standing around with your dicks in your hands…

    Fran, must I remind you this site is rated PG?

    “what happens when a goy takes two snickers bars from a Jew, who stole camels from a goy?”

    Was that quote taken from the Kabbalah or Zohar, Fran?

  337. Truth3 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    This guy in my opinion is dangerous and shame on Ron for letting Sam J post genocidal quasi violent comments.

    So Frannie, what do you say about these two Dudes?

    Benjamin Netanyahu, on 9/11…

    “It’s very good.”

    Ariel Sharon, on the Palestinian people…

    “Palestinian must pay the price (…). If possible they should get awake every morning finding out they get 10 or 12 corpses, without knowing what happened…”

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Poco
  338. anonymous[147] • Disclaimer says:

    As a mental health professional it is fascinating to observe subject Fran Taubman’s lability

    rapid, often exaggerated changes in mood, where strong emotions or feelings (uncontrollable laughing or crying, or heightened irritability or temper) occur. These very strong emotions are sometimes expressed in a way that is greater than the person’s emotions.

    Subject does not seem in control or even aware of these rapid mood swings, from pretentious hectoring and demonstrations of self-described “intellectual heft” to gutter-snipe language presented in explosive bursts; the explosion of a boil on subject’s skin that was incapable of containing the poison just beneath the surface.

    Subject Taubman represents a volatile threat to the American commonwealth.

    Two important questions: 1) how representative is Subject Taubman of the category(ies) “Judaist” or “Zionist” or “Israel supporter” that Subject purports to defend, and
    2) how large are those populations?

    • Agree: Sam J.
    • Thanks: renfro
  339. geokat62 says:
    @Truth3

    So Frannie, what do you say about these two Dudes?

    … or these two dudes?

    Ledeen Doctrine:

    “Every ten years or so, the United States needs to pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show the world we mean business.”

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2002/04/baghdad-delenda-est-part-two-jonah-goldberg/

    Shelley Adelson on dealing with Iran:

    … what might happen if an American official were to call up an Iranian official, say “watch this,” and subsequently drop a nuclear bomb in the middle of the Iranian desert.

    “Then you say, ‘See! The next one is in the middle of Tehran. So, we mean business…’”

    https://m.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/Adelson-US-should-drop-atomic-bomb-on-Iran-329641

    It’s all about beezness, for these people!

    • Replies: @renfro
  340. Poco says:
    @Truth3

    Well, but, You really shouldn’t read about such things. You probably ought to get a rabbi to read and interpret it properly for you.

  341. Saggy says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    ritual sexual practices that I cannot even mention here.

    Can you give us a hint, better yet an overview ????

    goyim.

    I’ve been reading stuff, the Torah / Tanakh (NRSV), the Mishneh Torah, the Tanya, and the Shulchan Aruch on the Chabad site …

    and I don’t think I’ve come across ‘goyim’, instead I see idolators, gentiles, non-Jews. I don’t think this is much of an issue.

    I didn’t include the Tanya on my previous list because it is a Chabad text and I wouldn’t have guessed you were Hasidic …. :), much less Chabadic?

    But if you study the Torah you must know that the Jewish god is genocidal maniac of the first order ….. I have compiled this list …

    Genesis 15:18

    On that day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, “To your descendants I have given this land, From the river of Egypt as far as the great river, the river Euphrates:

    Deuteronomy 7:

    1 When the LORD your God brings you into the land that you are aboutto enter and occupy, and he clears away many nations before you — the Hittites, the Girgashites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations mightier and more numerous than you — 2 and when the LORD your God gives them over to you and you defeat them, then you must utterly destroy them. Make no covenant with them and show them no mercy. 3 Do not intermarry with them, giving your daughters to their sons or taking their daughters for your sons, 4 for that would turn away your children from following me, to serve other gods. Then the anger of the LORD would be kindled against you, and he would destroy you quickly. 5 But this is how you must deal with them: break down their altars, smash their pillars, hew down their sacred poles, and burn their idols with fire. 6 For you are a people holy to the LORD your God; the LORD your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on earth to be his people, his treasured possession.

    Deuteronomy 13:

    15 You shall put the inhabitants of that town to the sword, utterly destroying it and everything in it — even putting its livestock to the sword.

    Deuteronomy 20:

    16 As for the towns of these peoples that the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, you must not let anything that breathes remain alive. 17 You shall annihilate them — the Hittites and the Amorites, the Canaanites and the Perizzites, the Hivites and the Jebusites — just as the LORD your God has commanded,

    Joshua 1:

    1 After the death of Moses the servant of the LORD, the LORD spoke to Joshua son of Nun, Moses’ assistant, saying, 2 “My servant Moses is dead. Now proceed to cross the Jordan, you and all this people, into the land that I am giving to them, to the Israelites. 3 Every place that the sole of your foot will tread upon I have given to you, as I promised to Moses. 4 From the wilderness and the Lebanon as far as the great river, the river Euphrates, all the land of the Hittites, to the Great Sea in the west shall be your territory. 5 No one shall be able to stand against you all the days of your life.
    ….
    16 And at the seventh time, when the priests had blown the trumpets, Joshua said to the people,”Shout! For the LORD has given you the city. 17 The city and all that is in it shall be devoted to the LORD for destruction. Only Rahab the prostitute and all who are with her in her house shall live because she hid the messengers we sent. 18 As for you, keep away from the things devoted to destruction, so as not to covet and take any of the devoted things and make the camp of Israel an object for destruction, bringing trouble upon it. 19 But all silver and gold, and vessels of bronze and iron, are sacred to the LORD; they shall go into the treasury of the LORD.” 20 So the people shouted, and the trumpets were blown. As soon as the people heard the sound of the trumpets, they raised a great shout, and the wall fell down flat; so the people charged straight ahead into the city and captured it. 21 Then they devoted to destruction by the edge of the sword all in the city, both men and women, young and old, oxen, sheep, and donkeys.

    Joshua 8

    24 When Israel had finished slaughtering all the inhabitants of Ai in the open wilderness where they pursued them, and when all of them to the very last had fallen by the edge of the sword, all Israel returned to Ai, and attacked it with the edge of the sword.

    Numbers 31

    14 But Moses was angry with the officers of the army—the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds—who were returning from the battle. 15 And Moses said to them, “Have you spared all the women? 16 “Behold, these caused the sons of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, so the plague was among the congregation of the LORD. 17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man,
    18 Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.

    As for Chabad ….
    So, how can one possibly defend this vile and idiotic nonsense?

    • Thanks: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
    , @AaronB
    , @Truth3
  342. renfro says:
    @geokat62

    … what might happen if an American official were to call up an Iranian official, say “watch this,” and subsequently drop a nuclear bomb in the middle of the Iranian desert.
    “Then you say, ‘See! The next one is in the middle of Tehran. So, we mean business…’”

    Yea,the old “We” when threatening other countries….as if they are part of We, They aren’t.
    Israel and the Jews have no power on their own….it is OUR power they are using, having bought it from corrupt politicians. The only thing of actual value they have to sell is their control of the US politicians…all other countries know that. So when you see some country like the Sudan or India cooperating with Israel it is because they think Israel can use it’s influence to get something from the US for them in exchange.
    End the Jews and Israel control of our corrupt politicians and you will end Israel…..it will shrink to a poor commune in the ME.

    You know if all the ire against what the jews.zios.israel have/are doing was funneled into a real hatred of our treasonous politicians we would get some where on this a lot faster.

    Get the politicians, get the traitors .

    • Agree: Kali
  343. renfro says:

    Switch Israel to America in the article and its also our story of decline.

    Israel Has Reached the Bottom, and Now It’s Too Late

    ”Yes, yes, this is exactly how it happens.
    But what was the original sin? The Nakba? Not separating religion and state? The lack of a constitution? The terrible mistakes in absorbing immigrants? The different school systems? The pipe dreams about “Jewish and democratic”?
    The corrupt Sinai Campaign of 1956? The corrupting war of 1967? The unnecessary Yom Kippur War of 1973?
    The occupation? The souls that were poisoned? The urges that were liberated? The Judeoid paganism? The criminal settlements? The disregard of the Zionist ultra-Orthodox monster ever since it was born? The inconceivable (and unavoidable) evil of the military tyranny in the occupied territory to our east?
    The complete loss of restraint by government? The celebration of corruption? The debauchery by lucre?
    But what difference does it make? Really, what difference does it make? After all, by now it’s too late.
    continue…
    https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-israel-has-reached-the-bottom-and-now-it-s-too-late-1.8592825

  344. @Prajna

    I am just answering all these Talmud questions you and others keep posing to me. I am like the Jewish answer person. Stop asking me questions and I will stop responding. You asked the most Prajna and you would not let it go when I told you to look this Talmud stuff on your own.

  345. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    I have never studied one page of the Talmud.

    Fran, I once posed the following query to you:

    Where do you stand, Fran, on the issue of whether women should be encouraged to study the Talmud?

    I didn’t receive a response until now.

  346. Saggy says: • Website
    @sarz

    . But referring to him or Meznitsky

    Of course, I was just using his conversation with M as an example of what he says to other Jews, ‘in private’, if you will.

    Anyhow, this got me thinking and I remembered that I had a email exchange with Atzmon after I commented on an article he wrote about Hannah Arendt – and I searched my email and the exchange is still there from 2013 ! I was typing my usual stuff, as I’m doing now, and I asked him why he wrote an article that treated the holohoax as if it happened. His response was to ‘read my book’ ….. just as he responded to you …. 🙂 …. but I replied I’d read the article and we had a discussion and I could never pin him down … and he started getting insulting … condescending … etc …. and , I had forgotten this … the last email in the series was Atzmon to me … and consisted of …

    Fuck off

    LOL ! In person, IMO, the guy’s an *******.

    • Replies: @sarz
  347. @Saggy

    Oy vey Saggy do you seriously want answers? Yes the god of the old testament was genocidal, but he had he’s reasons and he laid them out pretty clearly. If you look you will find them. With the Amalak, the cattle and livestock were killed even the grass burnt. Wow. He was pissed at the state of mankind, and claimed he tried to get to normal but to no avail. Apparently the children were the products of incest and other practices and many were disfigured and mentally challenged. I guess he decided to scrap what was there an start over

    There were reasons.
    With regard to Schneerson. Please have I not posted enough about this with regards to misinterpreting the conversation. The conversation about souls is from Tayna. It is metaphysical. and allegorical and has nothing to do with the Torah or the rest of the Tanakh. My mother thought Tayna was awful and was asking to be misread. She and many others thought it was pantheism, heresy, out of bounds.
    The Tayna is about particle physics and electrical connections to a divine being that can be tapped into with antenna type rituals. Anyone can learn to do it. Even you saggy.

    Here is the list in Leviticus describing the Cannonites.
    https://www.padfield.com/acrobat/history/canaanite-abominations.pdf

    • Replies: @Saggy
  348. AaronB says:
    @Saggy

    I wonder if this is so difficult to understand…

    Lets see, this same book also contains the Prophets, where we hear for the first time in history that the ideal is for the lamb to lay down with the lion, and swords to be beaten into plough, and all the nations to live in peace. In the same book, we read in the Psalms that God lives the meek and broken hearted man (a man who no longer has selfish personal ambition). Definitely the Greeks and the Romans, the Asyrians and Babylonians, didn’t believe any of that.

    So what gives? How can the exact same book contain witin its covers such a maniacal genocidal God and just a few pages later the first instance of the idea that war is wrong, universal peace is the ideal, and humity and meekness are the ideal – notions absolutely foreign to the other nations of the ancient world?

    It really seems pretty, strange, doesn’t it. I mean the Rabbis or scribes or whoever compiled that book must have been complete idiots to put such opposite messages together. If their goal was to make Jews heartless and cruel followers of self interest, they did a terrible job of it – they pretty much flat our contradict themselves and start putting a all this nonsense about universal live and brotherhood and the evil of war and the goodness of meekness and humility and the need to stand up for the defenseless.

    Really weird stuff.

    What, Saggy, do you think the reason could be? Can you think of some kind of higher context which makes sense of this jumble of seemingly contradictory messages?

    What do you think the Jews and Rabbis who pored over these strange and puzzling scriptures for millenia thought about this? How did they make sense of it?

    • Replies: @renfro
    , @Saggy
    , @Colin Wright
  349. renfro says:
    @Fran Taubman

    I can see you guys standing around with your dicks in your hands…

    At least we have dicks.

    How Dickless Jew entertain themselves with bulldozers and abducting 12 and 15 year olds

    https://mondoweiss.net/2020/02/video-israeli-forces-attack-palestinian-protesters-with-bulldozer/

  350. AaronB says:

    I actually like the whole commotion over the IDF dragging away the bodies of Palestinians who tried to plant explosives.

    On the face of it, its surreal – these guys tried to kill Israeli soldiers, but got caught and killed. Worried the bodies might be booby trapped, the IDF does the most logical and efficient thing and uses a bulldozer to drag the bodies away. Totally logical, sane, and efficient given the circumstances.

    But the Palestinians get super pissed and angry, as if Israel did something wrong and violated some kind of tacit code.

    And in fact that’s exactly what hapiened! – they were enemies, but you still must treat your enemies with respect. This is devolving into a conflict where there is a tacit expectation that you treat even the bodies of your enemies with respect. The Palestinians aren’t cynical about the Israelis – they expect them to treat the bodies of their dead fighters with respect and act as if some code was violated if they don’t.

    And it shows that in a conflict with moral codes, the IDF can’t just do the most logical and efficient thing but has to consider the sensitivities of its enemy and the demands of honor. Kill them, yes, but treat them with respect.

    There was obviously no ill will on the part of the IDF, but it was guilty of being insensitive and ham fisted – I think the IDF should apologize and in the future devise respectful means of dealing with potentially booby trapped bodies. Kill them with overwhelming force, yes, but follow the code.

    Of course, that Palestinians booby trap bodies are surely a violation of the code of honor also, and if they want to be treated with respect they have to not do that.

    But moral advances are taken step by little step (you hear that, Saggy? A hint for you in your grand quest).

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Art
  351. renfro says:
    @AaronB

    It really seems pretty, strange, doesn’t it. I mean the Rabbis or scribes or whoever compiled that book must have been complete idiots to put such opposite messages together.
    What do you think the Jews and Rabbis who pored over these strange and puzzling scriptures for millenia thought about this? How did they make sense of it?

    They never did made sense of it, because its ‘pilpul’. My favorite class at my Jesuit taught high school was Propaganda 101 , actually called Critical Reading. We would be given essays to read and determine what the author was really saying underneath his statements. . iow what he was trying to lead the reader to in a round about way despite some statements in the essay. So I was well prepared to recognize later on Jewish writing as not brilliant, but as pilpul.


    What Is Pilpul , And Why On Earth Should I Care About It?

    (excerpts )

    ”One more pilpul principle was inserted into Talmudic discourse. This was called the Lav Davqa method. In English we might call it the “Not Quite” way of reading a text. When a text appeared to be saying one thing, the Tosafot — in order to conform to the already-existing custom — would re-interpret it by saying that what it seemed to mean is not what it really meant!

    What this means for contemporary Jewish discourse is critical: Even though many contemporary Jews are not observant, pilpul continues to be deployed. Pilpul occurs any time the speaker is committed to “prove” his point regardless of the evidence in front of him. The casuistic aspect of this hair-splitting leads to a labyrinthine form of argument where the speaker blows enough rhetorical smoke to make his interlocutor submit.

    Reason is not an issue when pilpul takes over: what counts is the establishment of a fixed, immutable point that can never truly be disputed.”

    What is thought to be the Jewish “genius” is often a mark of how pilpul is deployed. The rhetorical tricks of pilpul make true rational discussion impossible; any “discussion” is about trying to “prove” a point that has already been established. There is little use trying to argue in this context, because any points being made will be twisted and turned to validate the already-fixed position.

    The contentiousness of the Middle East conflict is intimately informed by pilpul. Whether it is Alan Dershowitz or Noam Chomsky, both of them Ashkenazim who had traditional Jewish educations, the terms of the debate are consistently framed by pilpul. What is most unfortunate about pilpul — and this is something that will be familiar to anyone who has followed the controversies involving Israel and Palestine — is that, since the rational has been removed from the process, all that is left is yelling, irrational emotionalism, (the Bible ,slurs) and ultimately, the threat of violence.”

    read more at https://www.huffpost.com/entry/what-is-pilpul-and-why-on_b_507522

    • Thanks: Prajna
    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @Fran Taubman
  352. Saggy says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    Oy vey Saggy do you seriously want answers?

    Of course not. It is genocidal idiocy. Probably worse than the contemporary worship of Bal ! I did wonder how you would respond.

    I guess he decided to scrap what was there an start over

    He had already started over, with the flood. This was much later.

    The Tayna is about particle physics and electrical connections to a divine being that can be tapped into with antenna type rituals.

    I confess I’m a little surprised at this, perhaps you’re high on something? Joking? Anyhow, going back to reality ….

    Schneerson’s comments were from a recording of his speeches, transcribed and published in Israel, and translated by Shahak and Meznitsky. And, they reflect the Tanya …

    Tanya Likutei Amarim Chapter 6  

    However, the kelipot are divided into two categories, one lower than the other. 
    The lower category consists of three completely unclean and evil kelipot, containing no good whatever.

    From them flow and are derived the souls of all the nations of the world, and the sustaining force of their bodies

    Also derived from these kelipot are the souls of all living creatures that are unclean and forbidden to be eaten, and the sustaining force of their bodies.

    Of course a Jew has to revert to absurd nonsense, just as you have done, when confronted with these documents which is why they are kept hidden. I was surprised to see them on the Chabad site, and with the help of the wayback machine I can document how they have edited some of the more outrageous stuff …. here’s a good example, from the Kitzur Schulchan Aruch …unredacted ….

    A male should not walk between two females or two dogs or two pigs. In the same manner the males should not allow a woman, dog or pig to walk between them.

    The pigs and dogs aren’t mentioned in the latest Chabad version.

  353. @Kratoklastes

    No fool Christianity has not been pried from”Scholarship” aka your insane lies…the world is melting down and you failing because of your rejection of simple truths, you are ignorant low and sickeningly retarded fool

    Your ignorance of 200 years of jewish terror, masonic queerness and your precious Soviet failure which was just as responsible for Zionist Israel as anyone else shows your disgusting state…meanwhile your boi Bergoglio is making Stalin jew mason hand signs, Christianity long ago had its kings murdered replaced by jewish overlorship from the UK to France to Germany and the USSR, secularism and etc.

    You clearly are the problem….Lurrianic kabbalah you ignore, mishnah, you ignore, babylonian talmud you ignore, sirach alchun you ignore…”Scholarship” is a phrase for paid liars psychos like you to spew ignorance about things you don’t understand, can’t comprehend and have no right to speak of

  354. Saggy says: • Website
    @AaronB

    So what gives? How can the exact same book contain witin its covers such a maniacal genocidal God and just a few pages later the first instance of the idea that war is wrong, universal peace is the ideal,

    The Jews believe that they will conquer all the nations of the world and that they will serve the Jews ….. so first we have the war of the world led by the Mashiach which the Jews are actively promoting at the present time …. our friend Schneerson –

    and teaching –



    Video Link
    and then once that is done all will serve the Jews ….. and we’ll have peace on earth ….
    Isaiah 60

    5
    Then you shall see and be radiant;
    your heart shall thrill and rejoice,[a]
    because the abundance of the sea shall be brought to you,
    the wealth of the nations shall come to you.
    12
    For the nation and kingdom
    that will not serve you shall perish;
    those nations shall be utterly laid waste.
    16
    You shall suck the milk of nations,
    you shall suck the breasts of kings;
    and you shall know that I, the Lord, am your Savior
    and your Redeemer, the Mighty One of Jacob

    .Isaiah 61

    5
    Strangers shall stand and feed your flocks,
    foreigners shall till your land and dress your vines;
    6
    but you shall be called priests of the Lord,
    you shall be named ministers of our God;
    you shall enjoy the wealth of the nations,
    and in their riches you shall glory.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @Sam J.
  355. AaronB says:
    @renfro

    Aha, I see.

    Well, I am not saying there is any hidden meaning. These verses mean exactly what they say they do – no more, no less. No need for interpretation. No hidden meaning.

    I am just saying is there a context in which they don’t contradict each other – in fact, this context is provided in the sayings of the Prophets I mentioned.

    And then – is there additional information about the verses Saggy provided that gives context.

    For instance if I say – kill that person, that means something. If the rest of the sentence reads – because he is about to kill you, that changes the meaning. Just a bit.

    Someone who quotes only the first half might be giving a misleading impression.

    That’s just an example. Don’t take it literally.

    Anyways, I’m sure scrupulous and conscientious people like and you and Saggy did your due diligence and are giving us a full picture here.

    As for the key to making sense of the seeking contradiction, I know what the Jews think, and I know what the Prophets say, but I was hoping people like and Saggy could give me some fresh insight, since I’m sure you did your due diligence.

  356. Truth3 says:
    @Saggy

    Any intelligent person that studies the words of Jesus of Nazareth knows that the so called Yahweh of the OT is a Jewish fiction.

    The real Creator, if Christ was at all similar, would denounce over half, maybe even three quarters, of ‘Yahweh’s’ purported actions, orders, and other ‘Word of God’.

    As to Christ ‘fulfilling the law’, instead of ‘rejecting’ it, interpretation may be required that Jesus was simply referring to the real GtF’s Laws… not PPP (Phictitious Pharisee Phantasy).

  357. AaronB says:
    @Saggy

    Thanks, Saggy.

    I knew there was a key to understanding it all, and that you would have it.

    Much appreciated.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  358. @renfro

    The contentiousness of the Middle East conflict is intimately informed by pilpul. Whether it is Alan Dershowitz or Noam Chomsky, both of them Ashkenazim who had traditional Jewish educations, the terms of the debate are consistently framed by pilpul. What is most unfortunate about pilpul — and this is something that will be familiar to anyone who has followed the controversies involving Israel and Palestine — is that, since the rational has been removed from the process, all that is left is yelling, irrational emotionalism, (the Bible ,slurs) and ultimately, the threat of violence.”

    And that is the Jews forget about the Muslims who left all rationality about 1200 years ago. They don’t use Pilpul they just make stuff up from dreams. It’s theirs because they say so. They put a mosque up and it becomes theirs. I know that studying the insanity of Islam would rock your world, because you think the Jews run the universe but it is all such a scam to single us out. Jew hatred nothing more nothing less.

    • Replies: @renfro
    , @geokat62
  359. renfro says:
    @Fran Taubman

    We’re talking about Jewish pilpul and myths my dear not about Muslims so please stay on the subject on my post.

    Your constant inserting ‘others’ and ‘comparisons ‘ of others only illustrates what I said about the underlying inferiority complex of many Jews that prompts them to compare themselves to others and claim superiority.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  360. Sam J. says:
    @amazingnessify

    This is as near a perfect list of Jew traits as you can get. It’s very strictly defined and on a mental health chart you could check off the symptoms one by one and get a complete diagnosis in minutes.. It’s psychopathic. There’s one idea that describes the Jews perfectly. It describes their parasitism, their, lying, their chameleon like behavior, their sense of superiority and belief that they are different from everyone else. There’s a simple explanation for why the Jews are hated so much that also explains their behavior and success. The Jews are a tribe of psychopaths. Not all, maybe not even the majority, but a large number. All of the Jews ancient writings are nothing more than a manual for psychopaths to live by. The Talmud is nothing but one psychopathic thought after another. The Talmud “great enlightenment” basically says that everyone not Jewish is there to serve Jews. All their property is really the Jews. No one is really human unless they’re Jews and their lives don’t matter. A psychopathic religion for a psychopathic people.

    They’ve been thrown out of every single country that they’ve been to in any numbers. Psychopaths having no empathy themselves can only go by the feedback they get from the people they are exploiting. So they push and push to see what they can get away with. The normal people build up resentment towards them. Thinking “surely they will reform or repent” like a normal person who does wrong. Of course the Jews do not. They don’t have the mental process for reform. Then in a huge mass outpouring of hate for the Jews, fed up with the refusal to reform their behavior, they attack and/or deport them. In this stage of the cycle the Big/Rich Jews escape and the little Jews are attacked.

    I can go further though.

    The Jews are a throwback. Animals. Psychopaths.

    I can even easily explain to you WHAT psychopaths are. They are wild human animals. I believe earlier humans were ALL psychopaths or “wild animals”. Very much like animals with no or little empathy for others. There was a book written quite a while ago that had a theory about why civilization sprung up so fast like it did. “The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind”. Basically that the mind was not fully talking to both sides. A link explaining.

    https://www.thrillist.com/entertainment/nation/westworld-bicameral-mind-theory-real

    This theory is wrong. Here’s my theory. It’s the correct one and eventually all will see it as so because it’s so simple and obvious that it hard to dispute.

    Sam J’s theory of civilization,”Civilization came about because of the rise of empathy. This allowed people to work together”.

    Sam J’s 2nd theory of civilization, ”Empathy is necessary to form civilization. As capacity for empathy rose civilization rose with it.”

    My reading about psychopaths, Neanderthals, Jews, the study of the Russian foxes that were breed over time to be tame, (civilized), and lots of other stuff is what influenced me on this.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domesticated_red_fox

    The theory is very simple . This tameness is actually empathy. Breeding for tameness and a ability to get along “automatically” activated genes needed for empathy. The genes were entwined together. Just like when tame foxes were breed together they also had floppy ears. True you may lose some raw brain smarts to the enlargement of the centers of the brain for empathy but it allows much more in the way of cooperation. Much more important. Wild animals only have sympathy for their close kin. Everyone else is to fight or feed off of. Before people had enlarged areas in their brains for empathy there could be no way possible that they could build civilization. Think how many times you’ve been alone with someone and you could have killed them, taken their money and no one could finger you. Numerous times for most people but you don’t do this because you empathize. If you’re a psychopath you could just kill indiscriminately and it not bother you at all. Before civilization all humans were mostly psychopaths so there could be no civilization. The present Jewish cabal, tribe, whatever is just a bunch of animals that take advantage of others, think that others deserve it because they’re psychopaths and have half-functional animal brains. They think that everyone else is stupid but actually what they are is empathetic and want to get along. The Spaths, (Jews), have no recognition what a perilous path they are following because psychopaths have poor awareness of risks. They’re fucked up and by societies standards mentally ill. The Jews have followed a path of animals that take advantage of the goodness of others. As soon as people realize that they are doing this, that it’s just the way they are, there’s no way to change them, they are animals that have no intention of changing and like they way things are, they will get rid of them just like people get rid of psychopaths.

    Now you might think I’m just making this up but this is a documented, go by the checklist disorder the Jews have. That they dress it up as a religion just verifies how fucked up they are. Even if it’s wrong if you assume the Jews are a tribe of psychopaths you will never be surprised and Jew’s behavior will make sense.

    In order to predict Jews behavior read the great book on Psychopaths by Hervey Cleckley, “The Mask of Sanity”. Here’s a chapter you should read. [Part 1: The disorder in full clinical manifestations, 19. Stanley ]It’s about the psychopath Stanley. Who does all kinds of manic bullshit and spends all his time feeding people the most outrageous lies. Look at the astounding array of things he’s able to get away with. Maybe it will remind you of a certain tribe. When you read this you will go “Oh fuck it’s the Jews!” New meme. “They’re pulling a Stanley”. The whole book is on the web and worth reading.

    http://www.cassiopaea.com/cassiopaea/cleckley.pdf

    http://docplayer.net/21248949-Young-man-induces-five-teen-age-girls-to-shave-their-heads.html#tab_1_1_2

    Here’s another link but the graphics are a bit odd.

    http://www.energyenhancement.org/Psychopath/psychopath-Hervey-Cleckley-the-mask-of-sanity-SECTION-TWO-THE-MATERIAL-Part-1-The-disorder-in-full-clinical-manifestations-19-Stanley.html

    The Jews are getting worse and worse. As modern communications become more prevalent the amount of lies they can get away with shrink but they’re not mentally built to deal with this so their only coping mechanism is to escalate. Look at their past this is the way they react.

    As far as I’m concerned the Jews are just like any other wild dangerous animal. Like bears or a pack of wolves. When bears get too close to civilization we tranquilize them and move the them away. Get rid of them but if they keep coming back we eventually have to kill them to save ourselves.

    • Replies: @amazingnessify
  361. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Jew hatred

    … another shekel to add to the growing collection!

  362. @AaronB

    These are the people that never got into college, do not have good jobs and feel pretty left out of life. Like it passed them by. These are the losers that need to blame the Jews.
    They need to trap the Jews in a box with no way out. They ask you the questions they know the answers for. They have all the answers.
    It is a done deal. Just a matter of execution. I don’t mind them so much, because they are so out of it and odd. But they are suffocating in their circular logic. There are some really really bad Jews out there that are not Jews. They make this stuff up.
    People like Renfro who make up the rules of a discussion then bullies you with a superiority, while telling you that you are the one with a supremacy problem.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @anarchyst
  363. @renfro

    You are the biggest bully on this site. The guy with the inferiority complex personified.
    An open cacophony of false accusations and authoritarianism to push people around as you see fit.
    You accuse at will, when blow back comes. Button up.
    There are no pilpul myths. There is just pilpul as a Jewish trait. Others have other traits.
    You are the Jew of Jews.

    • Replies: @renfro
    , @Kali
  364. Sam J. says:
    @Fran Taubman

    “…Sam J’s comments. If you read his post he is unhinged…”

    The truth is that, I’ll borrow a term from the Scientologist, [no I’m not one of them], I’m in a state of “Clear”. I perfectly understand the Jews.

    HAHAHHAHA look at the lies. Look at the deceit. They can’t help themselves. Even when something is straightforward. I said that they must go, peacefully if we can get it, but by any means necessary. Does this mean genocide???? She and everyone knows that is not necessarily true. I’ve said over and over they need to be deported to Israel. It is true that depending on their level of violence and oppression to being gotten rid of many Jews could be killed. They are stubborn and as psychopaths they have a very poor ability to ascertain risk. There’s lots of evidence of this from the past from not Jewish psychopaths and from Jews. I read a story about a time where the Jews odiousness went to such a high pitch that the people and the soldiers all fell on them and started killing them. One Jew hid and as soon as the killing let up he set up a board with goods on it to sell to people. What the fuck? Would any of you do this? I can’t remember where I read this but I sure remembered the story because it’s so odd. So unlike “human” behavior. It’s because the Jews, or at least a great many of them, are animal psychopaths. They have no idea what is going on in others heads really. They just have a mental command and response map but no empathy. No true understanding.

    So what is she doing, or more actually “It”, doing. Sidetracking any serious discussion of WHY they must go. God forbid we talk about their psychopathic parasitical barrage of deceit, theft, hatred and psychological attacks on their prey. So “It” attaches onto anything, anything and distorts the meaning so as to derail the perfidy of the Jews actions.

    This is just another reason we should get rid of the Jews. They must go.

    • Replies: @Kali
  365. Sam J. says:
    @anonymous

    “…That’s why Jews feel compelled to resurrect Hitler, to demonize him over and over again…”

    The Jews are really, really, really afraid of Hitler. Here’s a guy who was nobody. A private in the army and in a matter of a few years he came close, to getting rid of the Jews. I don’t worship Hitler, he made a lot of mistakes but he did a huge amount correctly to make the plight of the German people better and never asked for anything for himself. He came damn close to pulling it off and getting rid of Jew power in Europe forever. One of his major mistakes was not getting rid of the Jews. He should have built the cheapest ships he could. They should have just barely floated, piled the Jews up in them, shipped them to Israel and gotten rid of the Jews.

    Fran “the psychopathic Jew animal said,”…If you look at any of the gun violence carried out by mad men. Violence towards everyone including Blacks, Christians, and Jews…”

    And boy are they afraid of guns. They will do anything to take away the guns from Americans. It’s perfectly clear they want to take away our guns to genocide us. What other reason? It’s mostly Blacks, colored people , the CIA and the FBI that cause most gun violence. Like the attacks in Vegas where any damn fool can hear more than one shooter and the FBI hides the whole thing under the table. I can’t say every mass shooting is a false flag but it would not be wrong to say that most have some sort of evidence that is completely at odds with what the press tells us.

    Want to end mass shootings. Get rid of the Jews.

  366. AaronB says:
    @Fran Taubman

    I agree with you Fran.

    We are dealing with people full of resentment, anger, and malice. And you have done a service in drawing them out – it is there for the world to see, so this is the sort of person who hates Jews and opposes Israel!

    You just have to let people talk and they will show you their character. Nothing is more eloquent. And lol, I sometimes get irritated with the ignorance and malice on display here that I lose my temper, like my last few comments.

    But at the same, despite the ugliness on display here I think we should not condemn them too harshly. They are human, and who knows what disappointments and humilations they have suffered in their lives to make them like this. There but for the grace of God…

    Judaism doesn’t need to be defended. Jews don’t need to be defended.

    And honestly, Jews are so absurdly dominant and on top today that I even think we have an obligation to lower ourselves a little bit out of sympathy and humanity. When you reach that position, a certain generosity and sympathy is called for.

    The people here may be ignorant, ugly, and malicious, but like all of us, they just want to feel validated and significant. And maybe as Jews we can even help them.

    Anyways, this is not to criticize your actions here – they are interesting and appreciated, and valuable in drawing out the character and mentality of the Jew hater for all to see. Nothing vindicates Judaism better.

    But in my opinion, I do think that the time has come for Jews to show sympathy and humanity even to the anti-Semite. Its understandable that faced with so much persecution and blind hate we have become defensive, but I think things have fundamentally changed.

    Anyways….

  367. @AaronB

    ‘So what gives? How can the exact same book contain witin its covers such a maniacal genocidal God and just a few pages later the first instance of the idea that war is wrong, universal peace is the ideal, and humity and meekness are the ideal…’

    Perhaps that’s only for Jews and those who submit to Jews?

    That seems to me to reconcile the apparent contradiction nicely.

    ‘…I am just saying is there a context in which they don’t contradict each other…

    That context would seem to be readily apparent, too.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  368. AaronB says:
    @Colin Wright

    But it speaks about peace among all the nations of the world – a messianic age at the end of time.

    And it does not say that humility and a broken heart and lack of selfish ambition are only appropriate for Jews – although if it did, I am not sure how that would promote Jewish self-seeking.

    It looks like you are interpreting the text to make it say what you like.

  369. sarz says:
    @Saggy

    I wouldn’t say he’s an asshole (or whatever you’re asterisking). He wishes he made more sense than he does. He’s skating on thin ice. Maybe he wants to be seen as kind by the Jews he’s criticizing so he can win them over. So he denies that he denies the Holocaust. That way he can say all the other stuff that needs pointing out, like about the Jew-dominated committees that speak in the name of Palestinians.

    For me, the Holocaust lie needs a wooden stake through the heart. It is the root lie, supporting all the other tales of victimhood. Gilad should stake it all on this one. But he can’t do it for some reason best known to him quite apart from truth.

    • Replies: @Saggy
  370. @AaronB

    ‘On the face of it, its surreal – these guys tried to kill Israeli soldiers, but got caught and killed. Worried the bodies might be booby trapped, the IDF does the most logical and efficient thing and uses a bulldozer to drag the bodies away. Totally logical, sane, and efficient given the circumstances…’

    Leaving aside the accuracy of your claims about what the dead man was up to when the Israelis killed him, his body was lying in Palestinian territory, and Palestinians were attempting to recover it.

    But, according to you, the IDF was worried the body might be bobby-trapped. So the IDF used gunfire to keep Palestinians from approaching the possible booby trap and went out there themselves.

    That would have been touchingly benevolent — self-sacrificing, even — but the logic you refer to escapes me.

    Perhaps you can explain it?

    • Replies: @AaronB
  371. Sam J. says:
    @Saggy

    “…The Jews believe that they will conquer all the nations of the world and that they will serve the Jews…”

    Here’s what should be done about the Jews. Give them what they want. That’s right give them what they want. First take away all banking and money creation privileges and confiscate all this unearned wealth they’ve accumulated, which is damn near everything. Use this to square up debts planet wide. Move them all to Israel and wall them up in Israel. They have a nice start on this by building the walls for us we just need to move them over a little. Then the crowning achievement of the Jews. The United Nations sets up a new banking system NOT based on debt and rules that the Jews own everything everywhere and everyone is their slave…for 1.0 nanosecond. There, all the Jews prophesies fulfilled and we, get rid of the Jews. Everyone is happy.

    HAHAHAHA give the Jews what they want!!!

  372. renfro says:
    @Fran Taubman

    You are the biggest bully on this site.

    Really….lol

    You just think I am a bully because you cant win a debate on a site that does not censor criticism of Jews or Israel….iow, there is no government protection for you here on unz.

    And I’ll have you know little missy..(huff,huff) …that I almost always back up what I say with creditable evidence or sources.
    All you do is endless spew your ‘opinions’ , repeat Jewish old myths, sing your own praises and throw hissy fits when you are defeated or challenged

    Go to bed , you cant win anything here.

  373. ‘… Go to bed , you cant win anything here.’

    She and Aaron can agree with each other a lot.

    • LOL: renfro
  374. @AaronB

    Yeah I have a lot of mixed feeling about it. I do not think we are so dominant. Every Jew I know reports to a non Jew, even in government, the State department is not very Jew friendly. There are limitations imposed upon us.

    It is is interesting for the world to see that two Jews running for president. One a socialist secular Jew, the other a Billionaire. Two Jewish opposites, you cannot make this stuff up.

    And all the real Jews will be voting for the non Jew Jew DJ. It is hilarious and blows every conspiracy theory and identity politics out of the water. What is a Jew hater to do?

    Big time Jew haters in the UK Labour lost, whining that the Zionist power was why they lost. They have been jettisoned to another galaxy and they still don’t get it. Most citizens in Europe don’t give a rats ass about the Palestinian and Israel. They are more pro Israel dealing with their own difficult Muslim populations

    I pointed this out to Gilad many times, that all of his philosophies and and ideas have been rejected not because of Jewish domination but on the merit of the ideas themselves.

    The Jew haters think the Jews are going down like 1933, as soon as they blow the whistle. UK Labour The Christians, Hindus and others will not let it happen. No one wants to repeat Medieval Jew hatred. They know more then anyone what can happen if not stopped.

    Why white Nationalist thing is still puzzling, like we get it from the WN and the Jihadist. Sort of funny really.

    Nice of you to show up for support. I will keep trying the best that I can without getting stuck in the slime. The Jew haters on this site are obsessed with the Talmud and Tayna. It is mind boggling. Why? None of these those texts have anything to do with real life. Yet they search and search. Geo is seriously worried about being decapitated for non following the Noahide Laws. Same with killing goyim and making them our slaves on our way to conquering the world.

    • Replies: @Sam J.
  375. AaronB says:
    @Colin Wright

    Islamic Jihad admitted one of their fighters was killed during his “fighting duty”, so I’m not sure why you doubt it.

    But apparently the reason Israel tried to retrieve the body was to use for bargaining with Hamas, who is holding the bodies of two Israeli soldiers which they are refusing to return for several years now.

    So Hamas killed Israeli soldiers and is holding their bodies for bargaining, and Israel is now holding on to the bodies of Palestinian fighters they kill – hoping to exchange them for the bodies of their own soldiers.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    , @Colin Wright
  376. @AaronB

    ‘But it speaks about peace among all the nations of the world – a messianic age at the end of time.’

    Ah, the messianic age; that would be when the bad gentiles have been sent to hell and the good gentiles will be serving the Jews as slaves, right?

    Isn’t that what I referred to?

  377. Kali says:
    @Fran Taubman

    @renfro
    You are the biggest bully on this site. The guy with the inferiority complex personified.
    An open cacophony of false accusations and authoritarianism to push people around as you see fit.
    You accuse at will, when blow back comes. Button up.
    There are no pilpul myths. There is just pilpul as a Jewish trait. Others have other traits.
    You are the Jew of Jews.

    Interesting that, whilst mischaracterising renfro, Fran manages to admit that every trait she ascribes to renfro is an archetypical Jewish trait… “the jew of the jews”, in fact.

    Maybe she’s finally beginning to catch on. A few more steps and she’ll be writing her own version of The Wandering Who or Being in Time… however incoherently.

    Thanks Fran, for paying attention and letting the truth seep in! There is hope for humanity yet.

    With love,
    Kali.

  378. Kali says:
    @Sam J.

    This is just another reason we should get rid of the Jews. They must go.

    “Jewishness” is an ideology (certainly a psychopathic one, or one which leads to psychopathy of the individual or group, particularly when coupled with the barbaric practice of infant genital mutilation).

    “The jews” are not “a people” as, as Fran so often tells us, “anyone can be a jew”.

    So, to rid the world of psychopathic Jewish identity, it is not “the jews” which must be got rid off, but Jewish ideology – notions of choseness, superiority, hypocrisy and a genocidal, authoritarian, jealous, vengeful “god”.

    Burn the books (or use them to demonstrate the insanity of clinging to a wholy destructive ideology/”religion”); dismantle the power-structures which allow secret societies to flourish out of sight, and allow for ethno-centric power-grabs by parasitic billionaires; re-educate mankind to think and reason for itself; favour cooperation over competition, compassion over retribution.

    To that end, we keep the conversation going, regardless of the threats we face from those who would silence us.

    With love,
    Kali.

    • Agree: Prajna
    • Replies: @Sam J.
  379. anarchyst says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Once again, your jewish supremacist roots are showing.

    From criticizing those who choose to read your vile talmud to insisting that “jew aware” people are those who “did not go to college” (and get brainwashed), you expose yourself.

    It is YOU who are running scared, finally realizing that “the jig is up” and that your supremacy is being challenged and recognized for what it is–gentile white genocide.

    When the time comes, I hope you have a nice safe trip emigrating to israel (where you belong).

    Regards,

  380. anarchyst says:
    @AaronB

    Another vile aspect of jewish behavior is that of involuntary organ harvesting for profit from Palestinian victims.

    “Organ harvesting” is “big business” in israel and among israelis around the world. Israeli “organ harvesting” agents routinely offer to pay \$1000 or so to poor people around the world in exchange for a kidney and then turn around and sell that kidney for \$50,000 to wealthy jewish individuals in need of a transplant. Maximum profits, indeed.

    Other organs are harvested from Palestinians who are maimed and murdered, the families of these Palestinian victims routinely notice that, when the bodies are returned, they have surgical incisions without reason–evidence of “organ harvesting”.

    This in itself is a big story that is underreported.

  381. Sam J. says:
    @Fran Taubman

    “…Most citizens in Europe don’t give a rats ass about the Palestinian and Israel. They are more pro Israel dealing with their own difficult Muslim populations…”

    OOPS! Maybe not.

    Success! New Survey Shows Over 100 Million Europeans Believe A Secret Jewish Cabal Controls The World

    https://archive.vn/aJO7a

    This percentage is very close to what is considered the tipping point for a for a complete political change. Only takes 10% hard core and, could it be, we will get rid of the Jews. Send them all to Israel. Notice all Fan can do is call me names. She can’t argue about the Holahoax because, there was no 6 million Jews piled into train cars, gassed and burnt up in ovens. There’s just no evidence for this. Can’t attack me when I explain about the Jews controlling the banking system of the West through debt based fiat money because, well that’s the way it is. Can’t explain about how the Jews act like they are a tribe of psychopaths because, that’s the way it is. Can’t attack me when I talk about how the Legislatures of several countries are being blackmailed with underage sex crimes, [especially after Epstein], because, that’s the way it is. [I could go on and on and on with the evil deeds]. Can’t really do anything but call people names. Weak. You have no facts just faults and childish name calling.

  382. Sam J. says:
    @Kali

    “…“The jews” are not “a people” as, as Fran so often tells us, “anyone can be a jew”…”

    Why do people believe such things? It baffles me to no end people can say such things. All I’m saying is that the offspring of Jews are…Jews. If anyone can be a Jew then why do the Jews in Israel have DNA rest to tell…if someone is a Jew. I guess it’s just some sort of fancy work program. Unless there’s some super duper mind warp going on, always keep this in mind when dealing with Jews, it’s perfectly reasonable to say Jews are Jews. Fran says anyone can be a Jew. Oh yeah, sure, I believe that. Anything Fran says must be enshrined in the “truth” temple of reason. Right.

  383. geokat62 says:

    AaronB- And honestly, Jews are so absurdly dominant and on top today that I even think we have an obligation to lower ourselves a little bit out of sympathy and humanity. When you reach that position, a certain generosity and sympathy is called for.

    FranT – Yeah I have a lot of mixed feeling about it. I do not think we are so dominant. Every Jew I know reports to a non Jew, even in government, the State department is not very Jew friendly. There are limitations imposed upon us.

    It appears that our two friends agree there is Jewish dominance in the world, the disagreement is merely over the degree to which this dominance is exerted.

    Usually, Fran is more forthcoming of the two, but not this time.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  384. @geokat62

    That’s really funny. I didn’t realize that The Forward was a comedy outlet.

  385. @Sam J.

    Hello Sam,

    I don’t agree with equating Jews to animals. No need to fall to their level. I don’t even believe there are significant genetic differences between “us” and “them”. The Ashkenazim are most closely related to Italians. The problem lies in Judaism and its teachings. It’s like a self-replicating mind virus. The narcissistic belief that one is a member of a “special group of people with a special God-given mission, very unlike the others” is the root of the problem.

    Like every sufferer of narcissistic personality disorder they also create a variety of neurotic defensive mechanisms – believing they’re the victim, believing it’s others who are always at fault. Sufferers of narcissistic personality disorder often can’t acknowledge their own faults because in their own eyes they are the embodiment of perfection. Even the famous “Jewish humor” is actually a form of neurotic defensive mechanism at least to a certain extent.

    The more I read about Judaism and its teachings the more I am convinced these people are suffering. They are victims, truly, but not of the “uneducated masses of goyim”, but of Judaism itself. I am starting to feel sympathy for them. As Herve Ryssen has noted (and if you haven’t already I recommend to check him out), this is an ideological war, it’s not physical. We have seen from history that physical violence is not the answer. It has been attempted many times and the long-term results have been disastrous for the goyim. Judaism, in a typically narcissistic fashion, programs these people “not to forget the wrong that others have done to you” and returns with a vengeance.. Even if you succeed at removing them now, they will be back in 50, 100 or 200 years forcing guilt to your grand-children, or worse.

    The solution? As Sun Tzu has said “Know thy enemy”. We must actually understand them to know them. We must love every Jew individually and see him as a human being even if many of them don’t see us, goyim, as such. And meanwhile we must do what we must do – educate the goyim about the narcissistic cult. Without hate and without disrespect. I also believe that it was Solzhenitsyn who recommended that us goyim should have our own cultural output aimed at preserving and disseminating our values.

    • Agree: Prajna
    • Thanks: Kali
  386. @Skeptikal

    That’s true. The most effective remonstration of a jew who was misbehaving in the old days on the Lower East Side was to say, “Your poor Mothah!”.

  387. Saggy says: • Website
    @sarz

    I wouldn’t say he’s an *******.

    Well, you haven’t looked at the evidence. I googled up the Hannah Arendt article … https://gilad.online/writings/hannah-arendt-and-jewish-intolerance.html

    What Arendt (Barbara Sukowa) saw in Eichmann was not stupidity, but actually a thoughtlessness – a complete incapacity for independent critical thought. Arendt understood that it was within this thoughtlessness that the evil becomes banal as opposed to being a sinister premeditated crime.

    This complete idiocy directly promotes the holohoax. Just typical Jewish BS, idiotic pilpul? No, just out and out lies.

    Then you haven’t seen the email exchange … here is an excerpt …

    [MORE]

    Now I see the game you are playing – I told you exactly what the problem is with your article in the first post, but you have configured your mind so that you can avoid fundamental criticism.

    I’ll make it emphatic – YOUR ARTICLE ASSUMES THAT THE HOLOCAUST HAPPENED – EVERY SENTENCE IS WRITTEN BY A PERSON WHO ACCEPTS THE ENTIRE HOLOCAUST LIE

    It’s as if you wrote an article criticizing Superman’s wardrobe, without ever mentioning that he was fictional character, and described how he looks leaping over tall buildings, stopping freight trains, etc. Here is a hint – Superman never leaped over a tall building. Another: the holocaust never happened. They are both fiction.

    My take is that, Guynenot’s praise notwithstanding, Atzmon is playing the role of a ‘good Athenian Jew’, a monument if you will, while all the while reinforcing the basic justification of Zionism – the holohoax and the historical unjust persecution of the innocent Jews. For example, from the article ..

    Arendt understood that it was within this thoughtlessness that the evil becomes banal as opposed to being a sinister premeditated crime. The ‘banality of evil’, as such, is the structure that allows the ethical to fade away and blind compliance to take over.

    In short, if he were not an ******* he wouldn’t have replied to you with “see my book”, he would have replied directly and if necessary supplied the relevant quotes from the book that prove his point. I haven’t read the book, but I am confident that no such quotes exist.

  388. @geokat62

    Both Aaron and I agree that the bunch of you are losers. Engaged in nominal work far from the mainstream of society. Outcasts.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Kali
  389. Sam J. says:
    @amazingnessify

    “…I don’t agree with equating Jews to animals. ..”

    I notice you don’t say anything about whether psychopaths are animals or not. Best as I can tell no one but myself has come up with a consistent, reasonable explanation for psychopaths that fits in exactly with the history of the Human race. Humans civilizations rise has been very fast for the long period of time we’ve been around. Our brain size hasn’t changed much for a very long time. The Neanderthals were in Europe for 250,000 years and did essentially nothing. How do you explain this? Something changed. The tame fox experiment, I suggest this is one of the most important experiments ever done, explains that along with tameness comes empathy. The process is even further along in most dogs. Don’t tell me you haven’t seen your dog sometimes straining to understand what you want. Most dogs definitely have empathy with humans. Dogs really like to hang around humans and are very happy around them, if the humans are not assholes. If I’m right and I think I am, then what do we call animals that have no empathy? If foxes and dogs that are NOT civilized are called wild animals then what is a human that is not civilized? It’s a wild animal. The one follows the other.

    The constant stressing that Jews are narcissist I think is another trend to put people off the truth. Narcissism is just part of the traits of a psychopath. It’s part of it. Jews definitely don’t want to be called psychopaths because this denotes a complete lack of empathy whereas Narcissism is of a different color. Not as bad. Psychopaths are more dangerous and they know this so they wish to fool people into thinking that’s not what they are.

    “…The more I read about Judaism and its teachings the more I am convinced these people are suffering. They are victims…”

    Oh here we go again with “the poor Jew” story. Always abused, cry, cry for the poor Jews. Never mind they had no problems ripping the entrails out of priest in Russia. Never mind the 10 million they starved to death in the Ukraine. Never mind their complete destruction of Germany, Spain, Russia, the US and any other place they go to. Never mind the slave trade in Blacks and Whites was almost totally run by the Jews. It’s only because the poor dears were abused. Why we should just cuddle them and kiss their little cheeks.

    Fuck That. Jews act like wild animals with no empathy for others at all.

    • Replies: @renfro
  390. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Engaged in nominal work far from the mainstream of society. Outcasts.

    Fran translation: why can’t you silly goys be like most other dumb goyim and chew on your cud while watching the TalmudVision, instead of being so well informed about the JQ, lol.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  391. Sam J. says:
    @amazingnessify

    “…We must actually understand them to know them. We must love every Jew individually and see him as a human being even if many of them don’t see us, goyim, as such…”

    Blah, blah, blah, we’ve already tried that. We tried to understand. We tried conversion, we’ve tried everything that anyone can do to get the Jews to act like anything but psychopaths and the result has been…zero. NADA. Nothing. It’s always the same. The ONLY 100%, guaranteed, works every time action that has worked with the Jews is the exact same one that psychologist have said works with dealing with psychopaths. Get rid of them. Get them away from you. Don’t let them in your lives and keep them out of your lives. Works every time.

    The only reason they’ve been able to keep this up as long as they have is lack of communication in the past. This time we need to pile them all into Israel and leave them there forever. Away from Humans.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  392. @geokat62

    You cannot compete.

    • LOL: geokat62
    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  393. @AaronB

    ‘Islamic Jihad admitted one of their fighters was killed during his “fighting duty”, so I’m not sure why you doubt it…’

    I doubt it because the only part of your statement with any foundation in fact is that the victim was a member of Islamic Jihad. No one admitted he was on an operation, and there was certainly no reason to think that the body was ‘boobytrapped.’ Doesn’t the very fact that the victims friends were trying to retrieve his corpse indicate it wasn’t?

    Not good enough, Aaron. Still no Hasbara pay for you.

  394. @Sam J.

    ‘… The only reason they’ve been able to keep this up as long as they have is lack of communication in the past. This time we need to pile them all into Israel and leave them there forever. Away from Humans.’

    I can’t see that. What did the Palestinians do to deserve being so burdened?

    There’s Fran’s idea about packing an entire population into the Desert of Sinai — but perhaps we shouldn’t sink to that level. They go low, we go high, as somebody said.

    The sad fact is that all habitable parts of the earth are already inhabited — usually by quite innocent parties who have done nothing to suddenly become the victim of millions of murderous racial supremacists.

    There is us. We’re more complicit in Israel’s crimes than anyone — so perhaps we should bear the burden of the solution.

    Perhaps all Jews should be brought here. We might want some numerus clausus laws to keep their influence within reason, though. The situation in 2016 — where Zionist Jews were the largest contributors to both candidates — and in general, the massively privileged status of Jews is a bit much.

    Or there is Fran’s Sinai after all. Of course, should the likes of Fran be considered a reasonable judge, jury, and executioner of an entire people?

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  395. Art says:
    @AaronB

    Oh my’ — 300 words worth of lies, twists, spins, and smears.

    Israel is an apartheid state – is an apartheid state – is an apartheid state. All the lies in the world will not hide that fact.

    Do No Harm and Do No Business – with the inferior immoral Jews.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  396. @AaronB

    ‘But it speaks about peace among all the nations of the world – a messianic age at the end of time…’

    Thinking about this further, I’m not sure your answer is entirely reassuring.

    Even if, purely for the sake of argument, we accept your notion that the messianic age will see universal equality and tolerance among all peoples, doesn’t the problem of NOW remain?

    Aren’t you implicitly admitting that pending the arrival of that wonderful messianic age, Judaism remains a religion of hatred, genocide, and ethno-religious supremacism?

    So pending the arrival of that Messiah, what should we do about that Judaism?

  397. @melpol

    melpol, I did want to reply to you but @flashlight joe has done it better than I ever could. Get stuffed, sock puppet.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  398. @Art

    ‘…Israel is an apartheid state – is an apartheid state – is an apartheid state. All the lies in the world will not hide that fact…”

    I’ve never liked the aspersion upon South Africa implied in applying the epithet ‘apartheid’ to Israel.

    After all, Apartheid South Africa consisted of people in what had been their homeland for over three hundred years, trying to find a humane solution to living alongside a black population. They hadn’t all just decided to move to South Africa, and they really did want the Bantustans to be viable entities. Did anyone ever talk about making the Bantustans work, about what modifications might make them palatable?

    If there’s anything that’s obvious about Israel, it’s that she’s determined to prevent the creation of viable Bantustans. There will be no Palestinian Transkei, with genuine independence, with its own military, without settlers from the Master race, etc. On the contrary, that last ‘peace’ proposal bore a striking resemblance to the 1939 Nazi ‘Nisko Plan’ for the Jews.

    No…Israel’s a long way from Apartheid. The label’s quite unfair.

    • Replies: @Art
    , @renfro
  399. @Colin Wright

    STOP misrepresentation of the Sinai development I proposed.There has been a movement to develop the Sinai, much like Dubai or any other dessert environment, like the Negev, into a beautiful community of housing and living. It has been proposed by Egypt and other Arab countries.
    The goal is not to move the Palestinians into a cruel dessert environment. Gaza. The idea is to develop Gaza, without Hamas to make it like Singapore with ports, tourism and travel. That way Egypt could open the Raffah border which they currently keep closed because of Hamas.
    This proposal is part of a joint federation between Israel, Jordan and Egypt, with populations being able to travel back and forth, however citizenship would be Palestinians to Joran or Egypt with green card status in Israel.
    The Sinai development would be a greater expanse to alleviate the crowding in Gaza.

    You are so choked by propaganda and hatred you cannot see the forest and turn everything into torture of the Palestinians. There are currently grass movements amongst Palestinians and other Arab countries to ditch Abbas and Hamas and allow for billions in infrastructure because their corrupt leaders will not let go of Jihad.

    Stop twisting my ideas. You are a liar

  400. @Fran Taubman

    No it is true, you cannot compete so you view the power structure that keeps you down as being a Jewish power structure, when in actuality it is a universal power structure that you cannot function in. Through hard work and education anyone can join and partake in the current power structure in the US. Anyone.
    Anyone can go to college study finance and become a hedgefund manager and compete with Jewish Hedgefund managers. You can marry a hedgefund’s managers girl or boy and join the family business. No one is stopping you. There are no rules to keep people from professions. The Asians do really well one on one with the Jews. They have no complaints, and Ivy league schools try to put quotas on their entrance.
    You are either lazy or stupid or both. You cannot compete so you look for scapegoats to help you with your misery of being low man on the totem pole. Your failure must be due to someone else not your own inadequacy. Why else would you be so vengeful towards one group of people, when in actuality there is no one group in power.
    You too could be in power that is the whole point. It is open to everyone. You just didn’t make it.
    Admit it.
    It is true of every hater and fantasy conspiracist on this site. Sam J must live in a basement somewhere with his dog like in Hannibal. The guy is creepy.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Kali
    , @anon
    , @Poco
    , @Sam J.
  401. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Admit it.

    I admit it, Fran! LOL I love you, but I love the truth more!

    P.S. mess with peoples’ homelands, don’t expect them to be overjoyed.

    P.P.S. talk to your local JSOs and tell them to shut it down.

  402. @Fran Taubman

    ‘STOP misrepresentation of the Sinai development I proposed.There has been a movement to develop the Sinai, much like Dubai or any other dessert environment, like the Negev, into a beautiful community of housing and living…’

    GREAT!!! If it’s reasonable to move the Palestinians there, surely it would be at least as reasonable to move the Jews there instead. A land without a people for a people without a land.

    And here’s one Jew who’s all for it! Off you go, Fran. Enjoy your beautiful community of housing and living.

  403. Art says:
    @Colin Wright

    No…Israel’s a long way from Apartheid. The label’s quite unfair.

    CW,

    I agree that Israel and SA are not 100% the same.

    “Apartheid” was a word that applied to only South Africa.

    The word is starting to be applied to Israel – “common use” is redefining the word.

    SA and Israel are much alike. The word fits Israel, and its visceral primitive hate for Palestinians. The Palestinians are walled in just like the blacks in SA. The gross treatment of Gaza is worse than anything the whites did. The Israeli Jews look down on the Palestinians just like the whites did in SA.

    Art

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  404. @amazingnessify

    ‘I don’t agree with equating Jews to animals. No need to fall to their level. I don’t even believe there are significant genetic differences between “us” and “them”. The Ashkenazim are most closely related to Italians. The problem lies in Judaism and its teachings…’

    I agree with this — as far as it goes.

    For practical purposes, a good thirty percent of the people I’ve spent my life around have been Jews. Although moral horrors like Aaron and Fran have colored my perceptions of late, when I look back, the average for the Jews I’ve known, lived with, done business with, gotten drunk with, had affairs with hasn’t been at all like that. In retrospect, I can discern certain tendencies, but not all of them were negative, and on the whole, my perceptions of Jews are of a piece with my perceptions of most gentile groups. They’re people, and most decidedly individuals. I’d be happy to see Eric again. You can spare me Stu.

    HOWEVER, we’re not just dealing with Jews as individuals, we’re also dealing with them as a collective, and their effects as a collective: Israel, the impact of Jews on America. This can’t just be ignored. It’s there.

    [MORE]

    The situation can be fruitfully compared to Japan. I’ve been to Japan; the Japanese are a lovely people, when all is said and done. Different as hell, but I don’t even want everyone to be just like me, so no problem there.

    However, it doesn’t follow from that that Japanese collective behavior as of, say, 1940, was just fine, and should have been tolerated.

    …and we didn’t tolerate it. We pulled the economic plug on Japan, and to make a long story short, they mended their ways.

    Now, the situation there differs from that of Jewry in a couple of ways. On the plus side, if Japan was dependent on us for certain raw materials in 1940, Israel is utterly dependent upon our support. No mommy America, no Israel. In principle, we can wrap this up almost effortlessly.

    However, on the negative side, Japanese in 1940 had almost no control over America. Today, the degree of Jewish influence and control over America is truly massive. The leading contributors to the presidential candidates of both parties in 2016 were Jewish. 40% of the billionaires in America are Jewish. Jews have a hammerlock on the mainstream media. Etc, Etc. How we’re to shake that is a poser.

    I’m being long-winded. The point is that as individuals Jews may be fine. That doesn’t eliminate the problem they pose as a collective. As a collective, they are imposing morally and materially catastrophic social, military, and diplomatic policies on us, leading us into evil, futile, and repeated wars, and putting us into the service of one of the most morally vile states on the planet.

    That can’t be overlooked.

    • Agree: anarchyst
    • Replies: @renfro
  405. renfro says:
    @Colin Wright

    No…Israel’s a long way from Apartheid. The label’s quite unfair.

    Not really. Leaving aside the many differences in treatment of Arab Israelis in Israel proper, look at the treatment of Palestines in what Israel now claims ‘is Israel’ in the occupied parts of Palestine.
    In the West Bank for example the Palestines that live there under Israel control are allowed less water than the Jewish homes built there.
    There are as I have said before 101 examples of how Israel treats Arabs both in Israel and in Palestine that come under definition of apartheid which is …”a policy of segregating and economically and politically oppressing another part of the population.”

    People tend to associate apartheid with the ‘race based’ apartheid of SA but apartheid also includes more than just race based oppression….it can be religious, it can be ethnic (which isnt race), it can be whatever the oppressor wants the reason to be.

  406. Robjil says:
    @amazingnessify

    Aldous Huxley in his Berkeley 1962 speech mentions the “wildness of our Oligarchy”
    It needs to be tamed. It extremely wild these days. Freedom of speech is the best way to tame our Zion Oligarchy.

    This is the reason our Zion Oligarchy is going crazy lately about shutting media that speaks freely about Zion JQ.

    Freedom of speech to the Zion Oligarchy is like water to the wicked witch of the West in the Wizard of Oz. The Holy water of freedom of speech is best way to defeat the primitive Zion Oligarchy.

    Here is a transcript when he talks about the “wildness” of our Oligarchy. He says this at the 53:35-54:49 point in his speech.

    [MORE]

    53:35 to 54:49

    Then of course another point which

    was made by Sir Charles Darwin in his

    book “The next million years”, which I

    think was one would sure with in

    different terms I envisaged in brave new

    world I mean here he points out that the

    human species is still a wild species. It

    has never been domesticated. I mean

    domesticated species is one which has

    been tamed by another species well until

    we get an invasion from Mars. We shall

    not be tamed by another species

    all we can do is to try to tame

    ourselves. That an oligarchy tries to

    tame ourselves but the oligarchy still

    remains wild. I mean however much it

    succeeded in taming the domesticating

    the rest of the race it must

    remain well and this was the part of the

    fable the dramatic part of the fable of

    brave new world is that the people in

    the utter hierarchy who were not

    ruthlessly conditioned but could break

    down. And I mean this Charles Darwin

    insists that because man is wild he can

    never expect to to domesticate himself

    because the people on top would always

    be undomesticated in sooner or later

    always run wild.

  407. AaronB says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Gazans expanding into crowded Israel = good. Gazans expanding onto empty Sinai = genocide.

    🙂

    The wit and wisdom of CW 🙂

    • Troll: Kali
  408. renfro says:
    @Colin Wright

    The point is that as individuals Jews may be fine. That doesn’t eliminate the problem they pose as a collective. As a collective, they are imposing morally and materially catastrophic social, military, and diplomatic policies on us, leading us into evil, futile, and repeated wars, and putting us into the service of one of the most morally vile states on the planet.

    Exactly.
    And worth discussing is …do the majority of US Jews act as a collective for Israel and for what they consider to be good for them but not necessarily good for the country….while they ‘rationalize’ to themselves it really isn’t bad for the country.

    I would say maybe most Jews ‘passively’ support Israel and ‘whats good for the Jews” within the tribe while we see a number that are very aggressively active. Considering that The Forward investigation determined that Jewish organizations employ more people than Ford Motors, GM and IBM for Jewish and Israeli causes that’s a large number out of only 5 or less million Jews. And the 14 billion they take in a year is more than Adelson’s casinos.

    My take is that when push comes to shove the majority of Jews will always circle the wagons and stick with the tribe..
    As Gilad has pointed out even the most liberal anti zionist in the movements against the
    Israeli occupation of Palestine do act as a kind of controlled opposition…their ‘first’ goal is to protect Israel.
    All of them, JVP, etc., still demand the US continue it’s aid and UN protection of Israel, well aware that that enables the occupation they object to. The Code Pink group led by Meda Benjamin is the only one that has demanded the US quit funding Israel and has gone so far as to crash congress waving signs and accusing them of enabling Israel. Meda btw got her arm almost broken when she was throw out by the capitol police .

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  409. renfro says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Oh please…blow your smoke up your own ass. We goys my dear are way ahead of your propaganda and know what’s going on. Your ‘pilpul’ doesn’t work..lol

    Here’s the Jews so called ‘humane’solution to Palestine. It reads like Hitlers original plan to ‘transport’ the Jews out of Germany.
    BTW…..this is exactly what Kushner’s peace plan is based on. Its been in the works for a long time and Trump’s presidency made it possible to present.


    The Jerusalem Summit; New Solution for the Israel Palestine Conflict

    B. Analysis
    1. Analysis of Palestinian deeds and declarations over the years make it difficult to avoid the conclusion that they are in effect both unwilling and incapable of achieving and maintaining statehood
    5. This issue of legitimacy of narrative is crucial. Indeed the very fuel of the Political Paradigm involving the establishment of a Palestinian state is the perception – or rather the misperception – of the presently prevailing Palestinian narrative as legitimate.

    Conclusion
    1. The establishment of a Palestinian State must removed from the international agenda.
    2. However, removing the issue of a Palestinian state from the international agenda will not eliminate the humanitarian predicament of Palestinians residing in Israeli-administered areas.
    3. This is clearly an issue that must be addressed and resolved. But it must be addressed not in political terms but in humanitarian ones.
    4. Thus, to successfully resolve the Palestinian problem, the Political Paradigm must be replaced by a Humanitarian Paradigm. This, however can only be done if the current Palestinian narrative, which fuels the Political Paradigm, is de-legitimized.
    5. Thus, the de-legitimization of the Palestinian narrative becomes a vital prerequisite to any comprehensive resolution of the Palestinian issue

    read more at..
    http://www.jerusalemsummit.org/eng/hs_short_eng.htm

  410. Kali says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Both Aaron and I agree that the bunch of you are losers. Engaged in nominal work far from the mainstream of society. Outcasts.

    I didn’t get cast out Fran.

    I saw the whole stinking, festering heap of corruption, dishonesty and sadistic parasitism for what it was and got out as fast as I could.

    One thing we should always try to keep in mind as we embark on this voyage of discovery we call life, is – If you are not living on the edge then you are taking up too much space.

    Just playing with ya, Franny. – I feel we’re really starting to connect, don’t
    don’t you? 😉

    This caught my attention Fran:

    There are limitations imposed upon us.

    What limitations exactly?
    Like quotas you mean? Like back in Mother Russia?

    Love n hugs,
    Kali.

  411. renfro says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Further more nazi girlie …how like a zio jew to think Palestines can be bought out of their land. You Jews have never understood land, you dont respect it, you have already ruined what land you were given by turning it into a tacky paved and built over version of a Jew Disney Land Miami style. You have polluted the land and the water in the region and altered and made holy sites tourist attraction just for the money.
    It doesn’t take xray vision to see thru this.

    D. Proposal
    (c) Generous relocation grants to Palestinians living in Israeli administered territories on an individual basis and not via any official Palestinian organization.
    11. As for the Palestinians resident in Israeli administered territory, there is only one reasonable and feasible alternative that will facilitate:
    (a) extricating them from their dire humanitarian plight;
    (b) free them from the yoke of generations of misrule by their leadership;
    (c) ensure the survival of Israel as the nation-state of the Jews.
    2. This is a generous relocation and resettlement package to allow them to build a new life for themselves and their families in countries preferably, but not necessarily exclusively, with similar religious and socio-cultural conditions.
    15. The economic cost of such a policy of generously financed humanitarian relocation and resettlement would be eminently affordable and would compare favorably with almost all other settlement proposals on the table today. Indeed, its total cost would be around 50% of the present total US outlay on the War in Iraq!!
    17. Of course, if the US, the EU and other developed nations were to contribute to this effort, it could be implemented in a far shorter space of time and with almost no burden on the world economy.
    18. Quite the opposite, the Palestinians arriving in their new countries of domicile will not be impoverished refugees but reasonably affluent émigrés. The funds that they would be bringing with them would provide a considerable boost for the economies of these nations – most of which would be developing countries with a pressing need for such a substantial influx of funds.
    http://www.jerusalemsummit.org/eng/hs_short_eng.htm

    • Replies: @Sam J.
  412. @AaronB

    ‘Gazans expanding into crowded Israel = good. Gazans expanding onto empty Sinai = genocide.

    🙂

    ‘The wit and wisdom of CW 🙂’

    Replace the idiotic ‘Gazans’ with ‘Palestinians,’ the vague ‘expanding’ with the precise ‘returning,’ and the ideological ‘Israel’ with the geographic ‘Palestine’ and see what happens to your statement. As to ‘crowded’ — well, all the Zionists have no business in Palestine. That’ll open up lots of room.

    Oh yeah; you could delete the fatuous smiley faces.

  413. @renfro

    ‘Exactly.
    And worth discussing is …’

    I used up my ‘agrees.’

    Agree.

    • Replies: @renfro
  414. Kali says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Through hard work and education anyone can join and partake in the current power structure in the US. Anyone.
    Anyone can go to college study finance and become a hedgefund manager and compete with Jewish Hedgefund managers. You can marry a hedgefund’s managers girl or boy and join the family business. No one is stopping you. There are no rules to keep people from professions. The Asians do really well one on one with the Jews. They have no complaints, and Ivy league schools try to put quotas on their entrance

    Oh, thanks you honey, but I’d rather drive spikes into my eyes. Kind of you to point out the option though.

    I’ll just keep on tending the land if it’s all the same to you…. I dunno, it just feels more wholesome, somehow… Can’t think why..?

    Love,
    Kali.

  415. renfro says:
    @Sam J.

    Best as I can tell no one but myself has come up with a consistent, reasonable explanation for psychopaths that fits in exactly with the history of the Human race.

    I was once shocked in my young years when a Jesuit science professor told me …’not all humans are born good’. Which was against everything we youngsters were taught in Sunday school.
    I gradually came to understand as I matured that he was referring to psychopaths who are born that way because of a brain defect.
    Psychopaths cannot be ‘fixed’, there is no cure , therapy or surgical, for what is missing in their brain structure. Its a incurable birth defect.

    • Replies: @Kali
    , @Sam J.
  416. anarchyst says:
    @Art

    “No…Israel’s a long way from Apartheid. The label’s quite unfair.”

    Not “unfair” at all. Actually israeli apartheid is much worse than that of South African apartheid.

    Israel practices official “apartheid” to a much greater degree than that of any other country in the world—the former South Africa included.

    Every vehicle driver in Israel proper and in the illegally occupied territories is identified by his or her vehicle license plate as well as personal documentation (identity papers). License plates are coded as to the ethnicity and religious persuasions of the owners, and are used to deny basic “rights” to those who are of “the wrong ethnicity”.

    There are roads and thoroughfares that are designated “for jews only”. “Jews-only” roads and thoroughfares are state-of-the-art, paid for with American taxpayer dollars, while roads used by Palestinians are poorly maintained, with many military “checkpoints” which adds further misery to the lives of Palestinians.

    Any Arab or Palestinian who attempts to use “jews only” roads or thoroughfares is arrested and heavily fined.

    This policy even extends to “footpaths” which are designated by “jewishness”.

    Palestinians and other Arabs are forced to go through humiliating “checkpoints”, even being delayed for HOURS, if they are even allowed to pass, at the whim of the jewish “authorities”. This even extends to medical emergencies, where ambulances are routinely delayed by jewish authorities, “just because they can”.

    In Israel proper, and in the illegally occupied territories, Israeli officials make rules and laws as they go along, ignoring the (official) laws (rule of law) already in place.

    On a whim, any Israeli official can declare that a building, other structure, planted farmland, water wells, and other basic facilities owned by Palestinians are “illegal” and subject to destruction by Israeli forces.

    This even applies to buildings, lands, orchards and crop-producing lands which have been in Palestinian possession for centuries. All the Israeli military has to do is to declare the Palestinian-owned property to be a “military zone”. No other laws or permissions are needed to expropriate land from the Palestinians.

    Water is heavily restricted in Gaza and in the Palestinian areas while jewish settlements can use all the water they want.

    Sewage from illegal israeli settlements is routinely dumped on to Palestinian land without regard for the pollution that it causes.

    This is a continuing process that is forcing Palestinians off their land and facilitating the building of jewish “settlements” in the illegally occupied areas.

    Let’s turn to the treatment of Christians in Israel proper. In the tourist areas, jewish authorities try to keep the disrespect for Christianity to a minimum so as not to insult their Christian zionist tourists.

    In fact, the hatred for Christian churches, and Christians in general is so pervasive, it is not surprising to see jews “spit” when walking past a Christian church. Jews are experts at “graffiti”, calling it “price tagging” which they use to good effect as the authorities generally “look the other way” when the vandalism and destruction of Christian facilities by jews is going on.

    The Israeli authorities plan specific itineraries for Christian zionist groups and American politicians so they do not witness the overt, outright hatred that jews have for Christians,

    You see, “it’s all for show” when it comes to begging for American dollars from the American taxpayers and from these misguided Christian zionist groups.

    The irony of the situation is that the Palestinians who have lived in the middle east for centuries and even millennia are reduced to being unwelcome in their own land while jewish interlopers, most of them from the United States and Europe are overlords in Israel and in the illegally occupied territories.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  417. @anarchyst

    ‘“No…Israel’s a long way from Apartheid. The label’s quite unfair.”

    Not “unfair” at all. Actually israeli apartheid is much worse than that of South African apartheid…’

    Indeed. That’s what’s unfair about the label. I wasn’t objecting on behalf of the Jews.

  418. Kali says:
    @renfro

    I remembered a conversation I had years ago about “primary” and “secondary” psychopathy.
    For the primary psychopath the psychopathy is natural, inherrent, physical.
    For the secondary (and it turns out, “tertiary”) psychopathy has environmental causes:

    What is a Neurotic Psychopath?
    Secondary psychopaths, also known as “acting-out neurotics”, “neurotic delinquents”, or “symptomatic psychopaths”, tend to be mentally ill, or severely emotionally disturbed individuals who commit violent offenses and lead antisocial lives, often due to some sort of inner conflict. Research has shown secondary psychopaths to be more instable than primary psychopaths; leading to impulsive, aggressive, and violent behaviors. Unlike primary psychopathy, secondary psychopaths are believed to be a product of their environment, stemming from physical or verbal parental abuse and rejection.

    http://www.psychology-criminalbehavior-law.com/2015/01/hare-psychopath/

    So if the “Jewish problem” is a fundamentally “psychopathic ideology”, with which jewish people are inculcated, and from which they develope certain psychopathic traits, then within a generation of that insanity no longer being passed through the generations of Jews, the psychopathy would be gone.

    If we use our intelligence, understanding and compassion, I feel sure we can find a way to deal with this problem which doesn’t result in us “becoming the monster”.

    With love,
    Kali.

    • Replies: @renfro
    , @Sam J.
  419. anon[147] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Taubman

    the arrogance of this 2-bit iron-bender is beyond the pale!

    Because YOU are FRAN TAUBMAN, Jew, you automatically think you are better, smarter, more accomplished, richer, better in every way than the avatars you dehumanize and demean with every other word.

    Subject Taubman went to Rhode Island School of Design — founded by white American women

    RISD was founded and nurtured by a small group of women more than 40 years before women in America even gained the right to vote. That year Helen Adelia Rowe Metcalf urged 34 members of the Rhode Island Women’s Centennial Commission to invest their group’s surplus funding of \$1,675—which they had raised for RI’s contribution to the Philadelphia Centennial Exhibition in 1876—in founding a school of art and design

    before Jews dragged themselves out of their schtetls.

    “You too can attend the schools — founded by your own forebears– that we Jews have exploited and debased.”

    “If you work hard, you, too can become a hedge fund manager! Move walnut shells around and play dupe the dummies just like we Jews have been doing for most of our existence!”

    Ever notice how many flunked-out football players work on Wall Street? It doesn’t take a particular amount of brains, nor that much hard work, just the willingness to sell your soul to the lowest bidder. I know. I’ve been there.

    REAL white men put their talents and energy into building things that are real, not gambler’s dens. Who do you think built the towers that transmit the signals that you use (abuse) to pound out your arrogance on these boards?

    Who the f&%k do you think built the schools that you so graciously give dumb goy the right to attend?
    Hint: it was NOT Jews: jews only piggy-back on white man’s achievements, then put their Brand Name on them for the tax break.

    what a steaming pile of loser s%\$t you are Subject Taubman.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  420. renfro says:
    @Colin Wright

    Eric Alterman……. “”I am a dual loyal Jew and sometimes I’m going to actually go with Israel, because the United States can take an awful lot of hits and come up standing. Whereas if Israel takes one serious bad hit it could disappear. So there’s going to be some cases where I go with Israel…

    “”I think that bin Laden and 9/11 were to some degree inspired by U.S. support of Israel. I think a great deal of the terrorist attacks and the sort of pool of potential terrorists who want to attack the United States are inspired by the United States support for Israel. I’m not saying we shouldn’t support Israel for that reason. I’m saying, Dammit if that’s the price we have to pay, then I’m willing to pay it.”

    https://mondoweiss.net/2011/07/eric-alterman-on-his-dual-loyalty-and-the-u-s-pressuring-palestinians-to-accept-their-historic-posi

    Alterman is a editor for The Atlantic btw. He has to feel like he’s very safe in the Us to say this.
    I think Jews feel too safe,too entitled despite their howling about anti semites.
    Fear is a great motivator for change maybe they need to feel some fear.
    If someone said the US shouldn’t be taking hits for its support of Israel he would be vilified and fired from his job.
    Our politicians, by entitling Jews so much, have made it possible for US Jews to think their higher loyalty to Israel is o.k..

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  421. renfro says:
    @Kali

    then within a generation of that insanity no longer being passed through the generations of Jews, the psychopathy would be gone.

    I’m no expert but my sister in law is..she is a psychiatrist on staff at a Mo. hospital and treats mainly adolescents …so my opinions come mostly from her.

    The problem with trying to stop the secondary psychopathy is that could only be done by ‘parental;’ influence. If the parents themselves are infected with the trait then they are not going to stop it or turn their children over to any education or therapy by outsiders.

    According to my sister in law parents can be one of the problems in even treating secondary psychopathy because they think it reflects badly on them. As for born psychopaths parents mostly totally reject that diagnose ….until the child cause such harm to others that they can’t deny it any longer..

    • Replies: @Kali
  422. @AaronB

    Not o ne of clowns on this site have ever been to Israel, spoke to an Israeli or a Palestinian over there, in the West Bank or Gaza. My Israeli family and friends say that the Palestinians want new leadership to negotiate autonomy and economic reforms, which Israel would gladly do without the violence. But that these are rational thoughts, which is not what the people on this site care about. They do not give a rats ass about the Palestinians or the migrant workers in other Gulf states that live and die in tin cans with no way out. Most of those countries have more guest workers then citizens who belong to a huge family of mega wealth, while the workers live in substandard conditions.

    I saw this on another post and I thought it was relevant. The way we are forced to focus on the Palestinians when there is so much more suffering in Syria. Today I read there were 20 children killed in Idlib
    https://www.vox.com/2020/2/24/21142307/idlib-syria-civil-war-assad-russia-turkey

    Speaking out as a secular Jew who is not fond of Israel. But Who doesn’t find Israel as foremost being engaged in cruel behavior. Arab refugees outside Israel are only 10% of those being abused in the ME. Jew-haters focus on the Arab 10% instead of the six million abused Arab refugees from Syria. Haters also forget about a million Kurds. Picking on Israel for the plight of its Arab refugees is not compassion but old fashion Jew hatred. I repeat that I am not fond of Israel and would not donate a dime for its prosperity. But I dislike Jew-hating Mockingbirds who echo the same slanderous accusations. Putting the Jewish race in front of an impartial jury would find them not perfect and only human.

    This also just in about Jewish archeological sites being taken over by Palestinians.

    https://unitedwithisrael.org/palestinians-seize-ancient-jewish-fortress-declare-war-on-history/?utm_source=MadMimi&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Palestinians+‘Declare+War+on+History’%3B+Presidential+Hopefuls+Spar+Over+Jerusalem+Embassy%3B+Jewish+Group+Sues+Canada+for+Whitewashing+Iranian+Terror&utm_campaign=20200226_m157115718_Palestinians+‘Declare+War+on+History’%3B+Presidential+Hopefuls+Spar+Over+Jerusalem+Embassy%3B+Jewish+Group+Sues+Canada+for+Whitewashing+Iranian+Terror&utm_term=Palestinians+Seize+Ancient+Jewish+Fortress_2C+_E2_80_98Declare+War+on+History_E2_80_99

    • Replies: @renfro
    , @Colin Wright
    , @Sam J.
  423. Poco says:
    @AaronB

    God says I’m better than you. Told me so himself. I wrote a book all about it. He said your house belongs to me. All I had to do was cut off one nipple and swear off lobster bisque. I painted some shark blood over my door so he won’t kill me but you instead. He said I was righteous, not you. Vacate my property.
    I’m persecuted for beliefs like this for some reason when all I want to do is spark the light in others to realize my right to be their moral arbiter . Want to borrow some money at 27% interest?

    • LOL: renfro, geokat62, Kali
  424. @anon

    Sore looser. Over 50 % of the student body of RISD is Asian, from Asia!!!! They are also rich, drive BMW’s and Ferraris. So what do you have to say to that #147!!!!
    Do you ever think before you write this shit. Most of it is crazy stuff. Not even remotely accurate. I work a lot in contraction with stair rails, etc. Most of the workers are foreign non American.
    Every painter in NYC is from Albania. Every electrician is Polish, I speak pretty good Polish as I have sponsored 2 of my workers for green cards. Every plumber is hispanic. The eastern European’s including Hungry, Russia, Czech etc. are all carpenters. You rarely hear english. ALL of the PM are white American non Jews. Have you ever worked in construction? Never seen you on a job site.

    REAL white men put their talents and energy into building things that are real, not gambler’s dens. Who do you think built the towers that transmit the signals that you use (abuse) to pound out your arrogance on these boards?

    RISD’s sister school Brown was founded by Brown and Sharpe. Do not know how many Jews attend. But it is ranked 29th in Jewish admissions.

    Race Percent of Students
    White 43%
    Black 7%
    Hispanic 11%
    Asian 13%
    American Indian / Alaskan 0%
    Hawaiian / Pacific Islander 0%
    Two or more races 6%
    International 12%
    Race Unknown 7%

    So what was your point #147? I missed it.

    If you think I am BS’s and you want to see my construction metal work look at my website.
    https://www.frantaubmanstudio.com

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
    , @renfro
    , @mcohen
  425. Poco says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Hedge fund manager!!!! Racial quotas??!!?? I’ll stick to running my Electrical business. I did enjoy college though.

    • Agree: Fran Taubman
  426. renfro says:
    @Fran Taubman

    I saw this on another post and I thought it was relevant. The way we are forced to focus on the Palestinians when there is so much more suffering in Syria. Today I read there were 20 children killed in Idlib

    So silly. I guess you would like us to think this has nothing to do with Syrian suffering.
    We all know that destroying Syria was the second part of the plan to your final step of bringing down Iran.

    .IDF says it has bombed over 200 Iranian targets in Syria since 2017
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-says-it-has-carried-out-over-200-strikes-in-syria-since-2017/

    Israel Strikes in Syria for Second Time in One Day
    Feb 28, 2020 12:25 PM
    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/three-wounded-in-israeli-helicopter-strike-in-syria-reports-say-1.8596474

  427. @Fran Taubman

    All of those foreign workers love Israel. I take polls at work all the time.
    Especially the Eastern European countries. They want to get out of the EU. Love Trump. Love Netanyahoo. No Muslims immigrants in their countries.

    Go Israel. Am Yisrael Chia !!

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Poco
    , @Colin Wright
  428. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Go Israel. Am Yisrael Chia !!

    Spoken like a true American patriot, Fran!

  429. Poco says:
    @Fran Taubman

    I’m extremely leery of muslims and israelis. This is the best policy for a Germanic White such as myself. I certainly don’t believe that American foreign policy should be distorted to such an extent by jewish money. Just as I would be against it if muslim money was buying the influence.
    It is irrefutable that israeli spies have compromised American secrets. Israel has not really been a special friend to the US.

    Do you know of an instance when Germanic White American spies have infiltrated israel and sold their secrets or stole them for American benefit? Or of an attack on israeli military assets like the USS Liberty attack?

  430. renfro says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Sore looser. Over 50 % of the student body of RISD is Asian, from Asia!!!! They are also rich, drive BMW’s and Ferraris. So what do you have to say to that #147!!!!

    oh gawd…she has now descended into a nanna nanna nanna 10 year olds childish taunts.
    I told you Fran, go to bed and sleep it off….all you are doing is humiliating yourself and encouraging us to have fun at your expense.

    • Agree: Kali
    • Replies: @Poco
  431. @renfro

    ‘Our politicians, by entitling Jews so much, have made it possible for US Jews to think their higher loyalty to Israel is o.k..’

    It’s not just here. This one struck me. Boris Johnson last fall:

    “To any non-Muslim reader of the Koran, Islamophobia — fear of Islam — seems a natural reaction, and, indeed, exactly what that text is intended to provoke,” he wrote.

    “Judged purely on its scripture — to say nothing of what is preached in the mosques — it is the most viciously sectarian of all religions in its heartlessness towards unbelievers.”…’

    If he had substituted ‘gentile,’ ‘Torah,’ ‘anti-semitism,’ ‘Judaism,’ and ‘synagogues’ for ‘non-Muslim,’ ‘Koran,’ ‘Islamophobia’, ‘Islam,’ and ‘mosques’ in that statement, two things would have happened.

    (1) Johnson would have made a much more defensible statement, and (2) his political career would have been over by Christmas.

    “To any gentile reader of the Torah, anti-semitism — fear of Judaism — seems a natural reaction, and, indeed, exactly what that text is intended to provoke,” he wrote.

    “Judged purely on its scripture — to say nothing of what is preached in the synagogues — it is the most viciously sectarian of all religions in its heartlessness towards unbelievers.”

    • Agree: renfro, Wielgus
  432. Sam J. says:
    @Fran Taubman

    “…you cannot compete…”

    This is true. Kinda. With Jewish nepotism, flooding the country with immigrants and deliberate constriction of White Males it has constricted my options. But the kicker is I can complete fine if I play by your rules.

    “…so you view the power structure that keeps you down as being a Jewish power structure…”

    This is true. It needs to be noted that I DO NOT want what the Jews have. I do not lust for power over others as they do. I suspect they value this so much that they can not conceive of others not wanting the same. However this does not in any way change my complaints about them. The things I complain about is that not that I can’t reach the top but they are making it difficult for Whites to survive at all. Their hatred for Whites, and in fairness any one they are parasiting on, means they are constantly planning and trying to destroy the people anywhere they go. This is far beyond any sort of economic ordering. The end result of Jewish control of our lands is genocide of Whites.

    I don’t want to live in a Jewified world. The Jews seem to think everyone is like them and that all worlds are Jewified. This is not true. Normal White countries have rules to stop acclamation of power by illegal means and sharp practices used by people who have control of choke points in the economy. A trivial example would be credit card rate maximum interest rates in the several US States. There used to be limits. The Jews got these removed. This is just one. There are masses of these where they use their stranglehold over debt creation and then use that to financialize every aspect of life to the maximum.

    Fran CAN NOT complain that I want to get rid of the Jews because this IS the Jew way. If we have the power then why complete with the Jews at all??? Fuck them get rid of them. This is the Jew way so in essence yes I can compete with Jews very well on their terms. I can not complete with them on my Western open society terms where they act as Oligarchs blackmailing, bribing, killing and we are not allowed to reciprocate because they control the money supply and therefore power supply. Why do you thing Soros wants so bad to have “Open Societies”. Simple everyone else is open society while he and his Jew buddies break all the rules of the open society and they skate by with no recuse by the people they abuse because they illegally use their deep State to insure they never pay the prove for skating the rules.

    The Jews must go. I don’t want them here and over time they will eventually be thrown out.

    Colin Wright seems to think we can live with them somehow but 4000 years of doing so says we can not. Nothing Colin Wright says we should do has not been tried before. The only proven method of dealing with them that works is to get rid of them. I’m not responsible for the Palestinians, and I reject anyone saying I am, so the best place for the Jews is the country they took from them, Israel.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  433. Poco says:
    @renfro

    I don’t know why (because it happens again and again) but it continues to surprise me when Fran or Aaron B assure us that jews aren’t supremacists then use every post to tell us how superior they are. It’s because I keep expecting them to have a lightning strike of self-awareness I guess. But the lightening strike never comes. They’re oblivious to their own character and thoughts. It’s weird.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  434. @Fran Taubman

    ‘Go Israel. Am Yisrael Chia !!’

    Didn’t you used to insist that you were posting here not to defend Israel, but out of outrage at all the antisemitism?

    Israel wasn’t your concern at all. No Sirree.

    Shall we go look up the posts?

  435. @Fran Taubman

    ‘This also just in about Jewish archeological sites being taken over by Palestinians.’

    Wouldn’t that be Palestinian archeological sites being taken over by Palestinians?

    I mean, the sites are in Palestine, and the Palestinians are the descendants of the ancient Jews of Israel.

    Wake me up when you can explain why the sites should belong to Moldovan bouncers with blue eyes, et al.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  436. AaronB says:
    @Poco

    I never said I don’t think Jews are superior. Like any healthy person, I choose to be part of a group that I think is in important ways superior in its values and way of life to the available alternatives. I have been at pains to explain that I make distinctions between values and ways of life.

    I merely said that Judaism teaches that non-Jews have value and should be treated with respect, that their ways of life can have value and be worthy of respect, and that Jewish superiority is by no means racial or biological – and that anyone who wishes to join, will be welcomed.

    I do not understand how this is worse than the Christian or Muslim teaching on non-believers – i.e, that non believers go to hell, something Judaism does not teach about non-Jews. It seems considerably more humane and respectful.

    Obviously anyone who chooses an identity, even if born into it, will consider it the best of available alternatives. The key is to still respect others.

    And I do not see how this is any different from what most nations or groups believe about themselves. Americans tend to think their way of life is better, etc. So do many nations.

    I also think that the world contains far harsher examples – there are peoples, nations, and groups that won’t let you join them, and that think outsiders have no value.

  437. Sam J. says:
    @renfro

    “…D. Proposal
    ….
    11. As for the Palestinians resident in Israeli administered territory, there is only one reasonable and feasible alternative that will facilitate:
    (a) extricating them from their dire humanitarian plight;…”

    There you have it. The Jews are “saving” the Palestinians.

    HAHHA what nonsense. They are truly out of their minds. We can not live with such willfully blind evil people. The Jews must go. We should treat the Jews EXACTLY like the Jews treat the Palestinians. We should get rid of them.

    Theodore Herzl, the founder of Zionism, had himself made the same point much earlier. “Anti-Semitism,” he wrote, is “an understandable reaction to Jewish defects.” And in his diary he added: “I find the anti-Semites are fully within their rights.”

    Israel’s first president, Chaim Weizmann, wrote in his memoirs:
    “Whenever the quantity of Jews in any country reaches the saturation point, that country reacts against them. [This] reaction…cannot be looked upon as anti-Semitism in the ordinary or vulgar sense of that word; it is a universal social and economic concomitant of Jewish immigration, and we cannot shake it off. — Chaim Weizmann, Trial and Error (1949). Quoted in Albert S. Lindemann’s The Jew Accused, 1991 (p. 277).

    “I do not believe that the primal difference between gentile and Jew is reconcilable,” Jewish author Maurice Samuel points out in his book You Gentiles. “You and we may come to an understanding, never to a reconciliation. There will be irritation between us as long as we are in intimate contact.”

    “We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it.”
    — Israel Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001

    “A good time for the Jews is not a good time for mankind. The blessing of the Jews is a curse for others. The regimes that are “good for Jews” are rarely good for anybody else.” — Israel Shamir

    “Any people who have been persecuted for two thousand years must be doing something wrong”-Henry Kissinger

    It was essentially a Jewish regime in the Soviet Union that between 1917 and 1953 managed to exterminate 66 million Russian Christians and destroy their churches
    Shulamit Aloni, former Israeli minister, Democracy Now, August 14, 2002

    The Jew … Judaizes … he provokes religious indifference, but he also imposes on those whose faith he destroys, his own concept of the world, of morality, and of human life … The Jews detests the spirit of the nation in the midst of which they live.
    Bernard Lazare, Antisemitism

    We intend to keep bashing the dead white males, and the live ones, and the females too, until the social construct known as ‘the white race’ is destroyed, not ‘deconstructed’ but destroyed.
    [source – http://harvardmagazine.com/2002/09/abolish-the-white-race.html%5D

    • Replies: @renfro
  438. Sam J. says:
    @renfro

    I say Psychopaths are a throw back to our past. Human animals. If you look at Neanderthals the area of the brain responsible for empathy is much reduced. Same with slant headed Jews.

  439. Sam J. says:
    @Kali

    “…If we use our intelligence, understanding and compassion, I feel sure we can find a way to deal with this problem which doesn’t result in us “becoming the monster”…”

    If after 4000 years of abuse from the Jews we haven’t found a way to deal with them other than getting rid of them then what makes you think you’re such a genius, so special that you can male this happen? I also object to anyone who says getting rid of the Jews and quarantining them in their own territory is wrong. They do this to the Palestinians so why can’t we do this to the Jews?

    • Replies: @mcohen
  440. @AaronB

    ‘…Judaism doesn’t need to be defended. Jews don’t need to be defended.

    And honestly, Jews are so absurdly dominant and on top today that I even think we have an obligation to lower ourselves a little bit out of sympathy and humanity. When you reach that position, a certain generosity and sympathy is called for…’

    You have a strange compulsion to be offensive in as repellant a way as possible.

    There’s something really disturbed about the way you present yourself. I think I don’t even want to understand.

  441. mcohen says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Hi Fran

    checked out the website.some great stuff.liked the balustrade metal work.
    I work in recycled copper making garden sculptors
    .Do you do your own design

  442. mcohen says:
    @Sam J.

    Hi Sam

    what do you do for a living.just curious.

    • Replies: @Sam J.
  443. geokat62 says:
    @AaronB

    I never said I don’t think Jews are superior. Like any healthy person, I choose to be part of a group that I think is in important ways superior in its values and way of life to the available alternatives. I have been at pains to explain that I make distinctions between values and ways of life.

    But you just indicated you think that being Jewish is superior not just for its values but also for its way of life.

    – i.e, that non believers go to hell, something Judaism does not teach about non-Jews. It seems considerably more humane and respectful.

    Of course. According to the 7 Noahide Laws, if any of the goyim refuse to accept their pre-ordained roles as slaves to the Jews, they will be decapitated. So, rather than going to hell, they go six feet under. Very considerably more humane and respectful, indeed!

  444. renfro says:
    @Sam J.

    “Any people who have been persecuted for two thousand years must be doing something wrong”-Henry Kissinger

    My favorite.

    Jews who say they are innocent victims who have been persecuted for no reason for two thousand years are actually saying…the entire world is evil…except for them.
    What sane person would believe that is even possible….one particular group of humans who are good and All the other humans bad? Pure insanity.

  445. @AaronB

    ‘…I also think that the world contains far harsher examples – there are peoples, nations, and groups that won’t let you join them, and that think outsiders have no value.’

    Those groups, however, do not exert a massive amount of influence over the United States.

    This actually is the essence of the problem. It’s not that Jews are particularly bad — their predilections are no worse than those of half a dozen other groups. It’s just that unlike — say — Armenians, they’re able to impose their agenda on the nation at large. Mexican boys from Texas get maimed in Iraq fighting a war Israel wanted. They don’t get maimed fighting a war in Turkey because that’s what Armenians wanted.

    It’s all a matter of degree.

    • Replies: @Sam J.
  446. renfro says:
    @AaronB

    Like any healthy person, I choose to be part of a group that I think is in important ways superior in its values and way of life

    Healthy people are usually confident they already have ‘values’…..and healthy people dont feel any need to talk about the ‘superiority’ of their values.

    All your efforts to convince us of your superior Jewish values and your ‘pretense ‘ of magnanimous compassion and acceptance of the less superior is so transparent.
    You are not a smart fellow or you would quit exposing your weakness like you do.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  447. renfro says:

    I mean, the sites are in Palestine, and the Palestinians are the descendants of the ancient Jews of Israel.

    Palestines are the descendants of the Canaanites, not the Jews.
    The Canaanites were indigenous people who populated the Levant 10,000 years ago believed to be a mixture of Arabs and Greek seafarers who came upon the land..
    No real historians dispute this.
    That Palestines descended from Jews is just another propaganda jingoism that took hold.
    There were no Jews within the Canaanites .
    Whatever pagan Arabs became Jews, and the Jews were pagan Arabs before they were Jews, did so long after the Canaanites .

    To quote the renowned historian/anthropologist and “Holy Land” specialist, Professor Ilene Beatty:
    “When we speak of ‘Palestinians’ or of the ‘Arab population [of Palestine]‘, we must bear in mind their Canaanite origin. This is important because their legal right to the country stems…from the fact that the Canaanites were first, which gives them priority; their descendants have continued to live there, which gives them continuity; Palestines are still living there, which gives them present possession. Thus we see that on purely statistical grounds they have a proven legal right to their own land.” (“Arab and Jew in the Land of Canaan,” 1957)

    Ever wonder why you see some fair and light hair Palestines…thats from Northern Greece mixture among the Canaanites..

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  448. mcohen says:

    atzmon writes in conclusion

    “My struggle as I now understand it, has evolved into a metaphysical quest. I battle to reinstate Athens within my soul. If you want to make the West great again, my struggle is your struggle. Defy Jerusalem, say no to authoritarianism, embrace Athens in your heart: learn to speak your mind, tell the truth as you see it and bear the consequences.”

    is atzmon asking the Arab people,especially Muslims to embrace “Athens” ,or just Jews.Is this embrace for all people,I mean you can just imagine a sunni or shite wanting to reinstate Athens in his sole.of his foot.not my sole but his sole.

    atzmon.not even the dumbest Jew believes Jews are the “chosen people”. do it.go around and ask 1 million Jews.take a poll.you don’t believe it so why would anyone else.

    what does …make the west great again even mean.Better than the east?

    hmmmmm,nifty little pro-pal slide piece on unz for the sheeple.lo
    l

  449. Sam J. says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Fuck the Palestinians I want the Jews to stop abusing Americans. Let’s solve that problem first then worry about the Palestinians.

    Fran is just trying to derail the topic to anything but talk about the abuses of the Jews. The crookedness. The rotten stab them in the back behavior of the Jews.

    There’s nothing to be done about this but get rid of the them.

    • Replies: @Kali
  450. @Colin Wright

    Huh? The Jews have Jewish history. We are the Jews. we have history books DNA AND our lineage.
    The fortress is from the Hasmonean dynasty. The Hasmonean dynasty was a Jewish dynasty.
    Before 1967 the Arabs living in Israel/Palestine never called themselves Palestinians. They were Arab Muslims as part of a pan Arab Muslim collective.

    Do you have a history book available to you with timelines? Are you just flat out retarded incapable of digesting facts. Maybe you do not understand basic archeology and how it relates to history.

    Name me one Palestinian ruler? King? President?
    Culture, history. None before 1967.

    Sooo back to the Arab Muslims who do have archeological sites relating to Islam and Mohammed.
    Are you familiar at all with the history of the three Abrahamic religions their history and archeological sites like Jesus being born in Bethlehem. He was a Jew, unless you think he was a Palestinian. In which case I cannot help you.

    Maybe Sam has room in his basement for you.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  451. Kali says:
    @renfro

    Hi renfro,

    I’m very far from being any kind of expert myself, and find the contemplation of resolving this massive problem, the very few options which are obvious (see Sam’so comments for example), often very disturbing.

    But with a calmer, more rational and compassionate approach maybe we can come up with some solutions which don’t require us to abandon our humanity.

    Certainly expecting an entire, centuries old culture to simply stop subjecting it’s young to ideas and beliefs which predominantly lead to narcissistic or psychopathic attitudes would be foolish.

    In the meantime we also have to acknowledge that we are not talking about “all jews”. It seems that our primary concern must be the ashkanazi, and even then, not all Ashkinazi, so we have to talk in terms of individuals – albeit with a tendency to act collectively.

    Maybe there will come a point when we have to consider removing young children from their parents, before psychological harm is done to them. – Certainly that is something which family courts do every day. (though all too often the “crime” of the parents is poverty and poor education).

    Even forced sterilisation may have to be contemplated, at some stage, as the lesser evil. But before those measures are considered there may be more we can do…

    Predominantly this is an ideological issue, which could be addressed through education, open discussion, and the irradiation of culturally induced notions of supremacy/chosenness.

    Of course this would mean, somehow removing (((them))) from positions of power, influence and control within societies – media, finance, education, government, etc.

    But how? Will it take a war and the destruction of “israel”, the establishment of entirely “new” systems of social/economic/political organisation, a massive cultural spiritual awakening..? I feel sure that it will.

    But we can’t expect those changes to be instituted by currently established power-structures, for obvious reasons. So that leaves people like us doing all we can to develope and share our visions, whilst removing our energy as far as we are able, away from the parasitic system which currently prevails whist developing new, anti-psychopathic social structures.

    Which is exactly why I got out of “mainstream society” all those years ago. My (admittedly idealistic) vision was that others would do the same in light of the obvious (to those with the intelligence of curiosity) deceptions and self-serving attitudes of the current paradigm. Of course others, all over the western world, have also exited. But not nearly enough to effect any real change… Maybe that (my) long awaited “tipping point” will come one day. Certainly levels of awareness amongst populations is growing, and that has to be the first step to creating real change.

    Awareness, coupled with compassion and open debate of the issues is key, lest we resort to “solutions” which replace one despotism with another.

    That or Ron Unz is heralded as the Jewish Messiah, becomes “king of the world”, writes a REALLY long Pravda, filled with new commandments for “the jews” informing them that they are no more special than any other of God’s creatures. 😉

    With love,
    Kali.

  452. @Sam J.

    Do you live in a basement of your mothers house with a little dog named precious, like the movie Hannibal?

    trivial example would be credit card rate maximum interest rates in the several US States. There used to be limits. The Jews got these removed.

    Can you name the Jews you are referring to that affected the credit interest rates?

    This is not true. Normal White countries have rules to stop acclamation of power by illegal means and sharp practices used by people who have control of choke points in the economy.

    What normal white countries are you referring to?

    I don’t want to live in a Jewified world. The Jews seem to think everyone is like them and that all worlds are Jewified.

    Which countries are Jewified and which countries are not? What is a Jewified country? What is a non Jewified country?
    What white countries have rules to stop illegal acclamation of money? Which do not? What are those rules?

  453. Kali says:
    @Sam J.

    Fuck the Palestinians I want the Jews to stop abusing Americans.

    Sam, in an earlier comment you claimed to “have all the answers”. Yet it is obvious that you haven’t bothered to contemplate all the questions, so how can you possibly have all the answers?

    Asking for several billion friends.

    Kali.

    • Replies: @Sam J.
  454. geokat62 says:

    Shabbot Shalom, Fran.

    This one is for you!

    Michelle Malkin on Anti-Semitism :

    It’s anti-semitic to mention George Soros’ billions.

    It’s anti-semitic to criticize the Anti-Defamation League.

    It’s anti-semitic to question whatever the precise number is of people who perished in WWII.

    It is anti-semitic for me, being married to a 100% ashkenazi Jew, to question dual loyalty in the people who are working here as agents of a foreign country.

    Best comment in the comments section:

    Their kingdom will end, very soon.

  455. geokat62 says:

    Shabbot Shalom, Fran.

    Phil Weiss of Mondoweiss asked me to pass along this tweet to you:

  456. And your point is?decapitation? I have lost the plot of your information?
    How cam I help you?

    • Replies: @geokat62
  457. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    And your point is?

    Mess with peoples’ homelands, don’t expect them to be overjoyed.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  458. @geokat62

    Your entitled to your fantasy. But Israel is the homeland for the Jews. The Palestinians are a defeated people. Time to make peace.
    Who is going to defeat Israel? Wars are over. Just a bunch of Jihadists with rockets. Soon they will be gone too.
    I am sorry you hate Jews so much. Really sorry. You seem like a nice guy. What a waste of time to be stuck in a false fantasy. You should save some shekels and go to Israel. You will find reality very different then what you fantasize. Palestinians like Israelis more then their own leaders. Big secret.

  459. AaronB says:
    @renfro

    I think its pretty common for groups and nations to extol what they see as their good qualities and values.

    It doesn’t have to be a negative thing – it’s normal, healthy, and innocent to love yourself. It’s actually the basis for love of others.

    If you respect your self, you can respect others. Part of the reason Muslims can’t respect Jews is because they don’t respect themselves enough yet – they are still insecure about the way Islam derived from Judaism. That will change.

    Disrespecting others is always an attempt to “capture” respect for oneself. And Fran above shows does a great job showing how the hatred of Jews on this site is by people whose life circumstances means self respect does not come easy.

    And that is why I am a firm believer in encouraging self respect among people.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Art
  460. @Fran Taubman

    ‘Huh? The Jews have Jewish history…’

    Now, Fran. I told you not to simply repeat refuted arguments. If you like, go back a few months, find the post where I addressed your argument the first time, but you failed to respond, and respond now.

  461. @renfro

    ‘Ever wonder why you see some fair and light hair Palestines…thats from Northern Greece mixture among the Canaanites….’

    Crusaders, more like. There were some Frankish peasants who came over and settled in the twelfth century.

    To this day, there are Palestinian villages where the people are discernibly lighter-skinned, the women somewhat more forward…

    Seriously. It’s not provable, but…

    • Replies: @Wielgus
  462. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    You seem like a nice guy.

    You’re making me blush, Fran.

    Wars are over. Just a bunch of Jihadists with rockets. Soon they will be gone too.

    This is not a sprint, Fran. It’s a marathon. Things, too, looked very promising in Bolshevik Russia and Weimar Germany, remember?

    The pendulum has started to swing in the opposite direction, Fran. It is as clear as the nose on your face!

    P.S. mess with peoples’ homelands, don’t expect them to be overjoyed.
    P.P.S. tell the JSOs the goyim know. They best just SHUT IT DOWN!

  463. @Fran Taubman

    ‘… Who is going to defeat Israel? Wars are over. Just a bunch of Jihadists with rockets. Soon they will be gone too…”

    See AaronB #379. Aaron ‘n Fran are a kvellin’ again. Total domination…

    I wonder if their ancestors and relatives made the same noises in the Ukraine at the start of the seventeenth century? In Germany in the 1920’s? I’ve read of them striding tall and proud in Lithuania in the fall of 1940. We’re on top now…

    Say it loud, and say it proud. Be sure everyone hears, Fran.

  464. @AaronB

    ‘…If you respect your self, you can respect others. Part of the reason Muslims can’t respect Jews is because they don’t respect themselves enough yet..’

    Conversely, of course, in Israel — where they can demonstrate it — Jews always take care to manifest their respect for Islam — for al Aqsa, for example. Or by converting mosques into Gay night clubs. Price tag attacks…

    This is how we can can see the degree of respect Jews have for themselves. Have I got it right, Aaron?

    • Replies: @renfro
  465. AaronB says:
    @Fran Taubman

    You will find reality very different then what you fantasize. Palestinians like Israelis more then their own leaders. Big secret.

    Israeli Arabs are freaking out that as part of Trumps plan, some of their cities would be allocated to the new Palestinian areas.

    They are terrified of no longer being in Israel.

  466. renfro says:

    Any questions?

    Yea…So what?
    What is your point?
    That Jews made coins?

    ”Coins were introduced as a method of payment around the 6th or 5th century BCE. The invention of coins is still shrouded in mystery: According to Herdotous (I, 94), coins were first minted by the Lydians, while Aristotle claims that the first coins were minted by Demodike of Kyrme, the wife of King Midas of Phrygia. Numismatists consider that the first coins were minted on the Greek island of Aegina, either by the local rulers or by king Pheidon of Argos.
    Aegina, Samos, and Miletus all minted coins for the Egyptians, through the Greek trading post of Naucratis in the Nile Delta. It is certain that when Lydia was conquered by the Persians in 546 BCE, coins were introduced to Persia. The Phoenicians did not mint any coins until the middle of the fifth century BCE, which quickly spread to the Carthaginians who minted coins in Sicily.”

    https://www.ancient.eu/coinage

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  467. Art says:
    @AaronB

    I merely said that Judaism teaches that non-Jews have value and should be treated with respect

    Respect really!

    Apartheid Israel!

    Jews treat us Christians and Muslims with contempt – period.

    You show your disrespect for us with your endless lies. Every paragraph you write, contains multiple in our face untruths.

    We can see the truth – we can see the inferior Jew character, by watching apartheid Israel. The glaring manifest immorality of you Jews is self-evident.

    Do No Harm and Do No Business – with the morally inferior Jews.

    • Agree: renfro
  468. Art says:
    @AaronB

    They are terrified of no longer being in Israel.

    They are terrified of being put behind an apartheid wall!

    The Israeli evil compounds and grows with every passing day.

    Do No Harm and Do No Business – with the morally inferior Jews.

    • Agree: Kali
  469. @Fran Taubman

    No questions — no relevance either.

    You really are welcome to answer the arguments I posted in the past…any time you like.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  470. @AaronB

    Everyone in Israel, Jews and Palestinians know that the Jihad is over except for the UR. My family over there say everyone walks on the street, religious Jews with veiled muslims etc. Money has been put into infrastructure and the West Bank is booming. The Islamist hit a hey day about 2 years ago. No longer all of Europe is behind Israel, especially Eastern Europe. It is expected that the UN will stop funding UNRAW. Huge changes ahead. All good.

    The Suni Arab states want to open up relationships with Israel and put more infrastructure into the Palestinian area, which will lead to self government. Other then Gaza there is very little violence.
    The Palestinians cannot stand the corrupt PA, they have billions, it is a real oligarchy. I think Israel will move decisively in Gaza to take out Hamas. There is a grass roots movement in Gaza called we want to liveI hope they succeed. The Jihadist live like kings in Gaza.

    These UR commenters believe all the propaganda about raw sewage and torture.
    The size of the house determines the allotment of water. Many Palestinians have illegally added on to their houses and they are only allowed water for the original home size.

    It is so obvious that this is not about the Palestinians. It is all about Jews. Aassad senior once killed 10,000 dissidents in the city of Homs, in one day. Nothing left but a sign flapping in the breeze. The Assad’s are brutal dictators. Nothing on here about the plight of the Syrians. 20 children were killed last week. If you press people on UR they will get around to blaming the Jews.

    • Replies: @Art
    , @Kali
  471. Art says:
    @AaronB

    Disrespecting others is always an attempt to “capture” respect for oneself. And Fran above shows does a great job showing how the hatred of Jews on this site is by people whose life circumstances means self respect does not come easy.

    Oh my’

    Quick — save your pant legs – we are already ankle deep in psycho BS!

  472. @AaronB

    ‘… They are terrified of no longer being in Israel.’

    Of course they are — then they really get ground beneath the Jewish boot. No pesky laws or court procedures at all; no need to bother with even the fig leaf any more.

    A Palestinian in the West Bank isn’t even one of the untermenschen; he literally has no rights at all. One of the Herrenvolk can take his land, his house, his life — whenever he likes.

    And there will be no punishment.

    Oh, it’s sweet to be one of the masters, isn’t it, Aaron? We all get to see how the Jews are when they’re on top, don’t we?

    It would be that morality and spirituality you like to boast of. Unfettered, the Jewish soul is truly soaring, revealing itself in all its glory.

    No, they don’t want to get herded into the fenced ghettoes you’re planning. Go figure.

  473. renfro says:
    @Colin Wright

    ‘…If you respect your self, you can respect others. Part of the reason Muslims can’t respect Jews is because they don’t respect themselves enough yet..’….Aaron

    If you remember we profiled Aaron some time ago here.
    To recap:

    Aaron as an individual had no respect for himself.
    Which is why he latched onto Judaism and being a Jew, with the myths of their morality, spirituality , specialness and another half a dozen esoteric philosophies he expounds on.
    Being a Jew and extolling their virtues is his crutch.…..he was a empty vessel, so the half Jewish side of him seized on it . It was the only thing he saw around him that he could adopt to give himself the illusion of self respect and all knowing spirituality.
    But at bottom he ‘s still a fraud just seeking attention on the threads.

    • Agree: Colin Wright, AaronB
    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @AaronB
  474. @renfro

    Palestines are the descendants of the Canaanites, not the Jews.
    The Canaanites were indigenous people who populated the Levant 10,000 years ago believed to be a mixture of Arabs and Greek seafarers who came upon the land..
    No real historians dispute this.
    That Palestines descended from Jews is just another propaganda jingoism that took hold.
    There were no Jews within the Canaanites .
    Whatever pagan Arabs became Jews, and the Jews were pagan Arabs before they were Jews, did so long after the Canaanites .

    You do know that this is wrong don’t you? There is no race called Palestinians. The Arab inhabitants of Palestine are the decedents Canaanites who converted to Islam in 700 AD. Palestinian was a province of the Ottoman Empire, not a race or tribe of people. All of the Arabs in Arabia are the same except for the Egyptians. If you look at most Palestinian surnames they are not originally from Palestine they are from Iraq, Syria, Lebanon etc. Again Palestine is not a racial classification it is a location. Jews have been living in Palestine and other Muslim countries since the fall of the temple. In 1948 the entire population of Palestine was 1,000,000. In 1900 about 600,000.

    Recent genetic studies have confirmed that the ancestries of Jewish and Arabic inhabitants of Palestine are extremely similar. Geneticists have concluded that the people living in these regions share a common ancestry, through people groups continually living in the Palestine territory. This directly contradicts the claim that certain inhabitants, particularly Jewish inhabitants of Israel, have no ancestral claim to the land.

    DNA studies have shown that the Canaanites (closely related to today’s Lebanese) made, if at all, only a minor contribution to the Jewish gene-pool.
    Other information:
    The Torah speaks of three branches of post-Flood mankind: Yefet (Jafeth), Ham, and Shem (the three sons of Noah; Genesis ch.10).
    The children of Yefet are (broadly speaking) the Europeans (Caucasians).
    The children of Ham include the ancient Egyptians, Canaanites, Nubians, Bantu (and sub-Saharan Africans in general), and many far-flung peoples.
    The children of Shem include the ancient Assyrians, Elamites, Arameans, Lyddians, and other Semitic peoples. One group of Semites gave rise to the Arabs, Hebrews, Moabites, Ammonites, Edumeans and others.
    Though technically “Hebrews” includes all descendants of Eber (an early Semite; see Genesis ch.10-11), today the term is usually used to mean those who would later be called Israelites.
    Note that all Israelites are the children of Jacob, grandson of Abraham.

    No such thing as Palestinians. They made it up after 1967. Same Arabs living in Jordan.

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    , @renfro
  475. AaronB says:
    @renfro

    This is true. I did not have self respect before I reconnected to my Jewish roots. I was a “lost sheep, as it were, very much like you guys, full of anger and resentment.

    Now that I am Jewish again, I feel better about myself – it has restored my self-respect and reestablished a connection to God, the source of all value.

    Today, firmly grounded, I am able to have sympathy and respect for anti-Semites and Muslims. I understand where you are coming from – I was there myself.

    My hope is that one day, you guys can also establish a connection to the Divine and for those of you who are religious or Muslim, my hope is that you deepen this connection and make it truly authentic, and experience the peace that comes from no longer needing to hate or dominate the Other, and experience the calm of being firmly grounded in Being.

    In the meantime, renfro, I do not hate you or anyone else on this thread who hates Jews. You are angry. Anger is the worst poison for the soul – your anger doesn’t hurt me, but it eats you up from the inside. I know – I used to be angry too.

    I actually think of you guys in my prayers – and I hope that you learn how to reconcile yourself to existence. That is the chief task of man – to learn to accept. To no longer struggle against existence. By surrendering to God, you heal your alienation from Being and reconcile yourself to existence.

    • Replies: @renfro
  476. Everyone in Israel, Jews and Palestinians know that the Jihad is over…’

    I wonder what you’re referring to?

    What ‘Jihad’? Most of what’s happened for at least the last decade has been outbreaks of Jewish violence.

    There were the shootings of unarmed demonstrators. The IDF would regularly manufacture lies — but produced remarkably little evidence to support those lies. The overwhelming bulk of the images, dead, etc consisted of Jews who weren’t in any danger at all shooting unarmed Palestinians who weren’t even in their country at ranges of up to six hundred yards.

    Then of course there are the various horrific settler attacks; the family that was burned alive, that lovely mother who was stoned to death, the boy who was kidnapped, tied up, doused in gasoline, and set alight.

    Then there was the ‘knife intifada.’ Well — and again this is supported by the evidence — most of those killings consisted of some Jew who just wanted to kill his Palestinian — so he killed him, and then claimed ‘he came at me with a knife.’

    There’s footage of the knives being planted, utterly improbable claims that the victim had hurled a knife from a range of sixty feet, etc — but the most damning evidence was what happened when that Yemeni soldier was filmed murdering the wounded Palestinian at his feet.

    All of a sudden the volume of ‘attacks’ dropped by ninety percent. Gee, what happened? Incredibly organized and disciplined Palestinians — or orders from the IDF high command to cool it with the gratuitous killings?

    Whaddayou think? But let’s stick to the point. What Jihad? Mostly, it’s been violence initiated by Jews.

  477. @Fran Taubman

    ‘DNA studies have shown that the Canaanites (closely related to today’s Lebanese) made, if at all, only a minor contribution to the Jewish gene-pool…’

    I’m not at all surprised. Perhaps, however, that fact has a significance other than the one you ascribe to it.

  478. AaronB says:
    @renfro

    Being a Jew and extolling their virtues is his crutch.…..he was a empty vessel, so the half Jewish side of him seized on it

    I just want to emphasize how true this is. Being Jewish is my crutch – on my own, I am pathetic, weak, and nothing. An empty vessel indeed. Less than that. With a connection to God, with a connection to the Ground of Being, I am nothing less than the whole universe, with the sun and the moon, with the stars and the oceans.

    There is a Jewish teaching that each person should regard himself as the least significant person in existence, while at the same time he should see the entire universe as having been created solely for him.

    Alone, as individual egos, we are less than nothing, but connected to God, we are everything.

    If you guys can see this, can find your own way back to the Ground of Being, your anger and resentment will melt away like ice under a hot sun – as something infinitely petty.

    Not everyone wants to, can, or should be Jewish – but there are countless other paths to God. There is no need to be Jewish. The important thing is to find your path – and if you have found, to deepen it and make it authentic.

    • Replies: @Kali
  479. ‘…Not everyone wants to, can, or should be Jewish – but there are countless other paths to God. There is no need to be Jewish. The important thing is to find your path – and if you have found, to deepen it and make it authentic.’

    Wouldn’t it be nice if this bore the least resemblance to traditional Jewish teaching?

    Your logic here is almost pathetically obvious. Absent an identification with mighty, cruel Israel, the land of he-men, you apparently have an overwhelming sense of inferiority.

    But, to identify with Israel, you have to identify with Judaism. So, Judaism needs to be transmogrified into something that accords with current morality. It has to become tolerant, loving, and presumably non-fattening. Never mind that it isn’t. You need it to be, so it is.

    Ironically, I’m reminded of a BBC attempt way back in the day — before 9/11 — to argue that Islam was tolerant of homosexuality. You see, the BBC needed to approve of Islam. It needed to approve of homosexuality. Therefore…

    The logical process — if you can call it that — is the same in both cases.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  480. AaronB says:
    @Colin Wright

    I can just be a secular Zionist Jew with no interest in the religion. Or I can be a secular HBD racist about Israel.

    But I’m neither.

    As for Israel, sure, I’m proud that they’ve shown themselves to be good, heroic, and resourceful fighters, but the Israeli ethos is actually very different from the macho he-man ethos, which is more characteristic of America. This is one of the things I like a lot about Israel – its very masculine but not macho, manly but also sensitive.

    The over-muscled he man macho type exists in Israel but isn’t celebrated.

    I think its because Israelis live with war and the military on a daily basis, so they can’t be really macho about it. They know it’s often messy and unheroic, and their understanding of the limits of violence make it hard for them to create and believe in a Rambo type. Although there is a bit of that, too.

    There are some excellent Israeli TV shows out there, like Prisoners of War, When Heros Fly, and Fauda which give a nuanced picture of war that avoids macho he-man tropes but is still masculine.

    You should give them a shot, Colin.

    • LOL: renfro
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  481. Truth3 says:

    The oh so Chosenite Fran Taubman. It’s the one in the middle.

    https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/fiona-jiang-fran-taubman-and-amanda-borinstein-attend-the-digest-picture-id647412322?s=2048×2048

    Doesn’t that face just scream “Y’all are a bunch of Jew Haters!”

    • Replies: @Truth3
  482. @AaronB

    ‘… As for Israel, sure, I’m proud that they’ve shown themselves to be good, heroic, and resourceful fighters, but the Israeli ethos is actually very different from the macho he-man ethos, which is more characteristic of America. This is one of the things I like a lot about Israel – its very masculine but not macho, manly but also sensitive…’

    The phrase you’re looking for is ‘shoot and cry.’

    It’s all been played out, Aaron. Pretty soon, you’ll find yourself at the end of the pier — and with no more bullshit left.

    Then what are you going to do?

    • Replies: @AaronB
  483. AaronB says:
    @Colin Wright

    There is a Hebrew phrase much used in the Army – ” yehiyeh b’seder” – it will be ok.

    God decides. In the long run, it will be ok, Colin, for all of us.

    • Replies: @renfro
  484. renfro says:
    @Fran Taubman

    You do know that this is wrong don’t you? There is no race called Palestinians. The Arab inhabitants of Palestine are the decedents Canaanites who converted to Islam in 700 AD. Palestinian was a province of the Ottoman Empire, not a race or tribe of people.

    Pay attention . Quit try to blur the point which is the Canaanites were the first inhabitants and Palestines their descendants. Your ignorance and your Torah nonsense makes people nauseous. Try real history and real historians…not Jewish myth babble.

    DNA studies have shown that the Canaanites (closely related to today’s Lebanese) made, if at all, only a minor contribution to the Jewish gene-pool.

    First of all there is no such thing as Jewish DNA….so say the geneticist at the NIH. You cant separate Jews from Arabs in the ME because the Jews were semite Arabs before they invented Judaism. ME Jews aren’t a separate race from Arabs or a ‘distinct people’ they are a religious groups of now Heinz 57 members and some secular dropouts who want to pretend they are ‘a people’.

    In 1948 the entire population of Palestine was 1,000,000. In 1900 about 600,000.

    sigh….How many times must I show you this:…it illustrates the 1900 immigration of Jews into Palestine. And the fact that the Muslim population grew naturally with only 3% not born in Palestine while the jew population increased 180% from immigration of Jews into Palestine.

    # The 1922 census of Palestine was the first census carried out by the authorities of the British Mandate of Palestine, on 23 October 1922. The division into religious groups was:
    590,390 Muslims
    83,694 Jews
    73,024 Christians,
    7,028 Druze
    808 Sikhs
    265 Bahais
    156 Metawalis
    163 Samaritans.
    J. B. Barron, ed. (1923). Palestine: Report and General Abstracts of the Census of 1922. Government of Palestine.
    http://www.klinebooks.com/cgi-bin/kline/35716.html

    # Official report on the 1931 Census of Palestine,
    which was the second census carried out by the authorities of the British Mandate of Palestine. It was carried out on 18 November 1931 under the direction of Major E. Mills. The first census had been conducted in 1922. Following the 1931 census, no further census was conducted in Palestine by the British administration. The total population reported was 1,035,821 (1,033,314 excluding the numbers of H.M. Forces) – an increase of 36.8% since 1922, of which the Jewish population increased by 108.4%.
    The population was divided by religion as follows:
    759,717 Muslims,
    174,610 Jews,
    91,398 Christians,
    9,148 Druzes,
    350 Bahais,
    182 Samaritans,
    and 421 “no religion”.
    A special problem was posed by the nomadic Bedouin of the south, who were reluctant to cooperate. Estimates of each tribe were made by officers of the district administration according to local observation. The total of 759,717 Muslims included 66,553 persons enumerated by this method.
    # According to a Survey of Palestine prepared in December 1945 there were :
    1,076,780 Muslims (58% of the total population),
    608,230 Jews (33%),

    145,060 Christians (9%). (4)
    # In the mid-19th century, the area corresponding to Palestine had about 340,000 people, of whom 300,000 or 88 per cent were Muslims or Druze, 27,000 of 8 per cent Christian, and 13,000 or 4 per cent Jews.
    According to the E.Mills British Census of 1931 ***LESS THAN 3% OF THE MUSLIM POPLULATION WAS BORN OUT SIDE OF PALESTINE.****

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  485. @Colin Wright

    You have no arguments. You have never been to Israel, talked to an Israeli, and IDF soldier, and or a Palestinian. Never been to Gaza. You know nothing.
    You spend time on this site putting other peoples sentences in italics and hurl abusive insults without substance or knowledge. You pretend to be intelligent with clever sentence reversal that have no point or information.

    Here is an example of what an abusive useless POS you are. It is like talking to vomit. No worse like licking vomit. That is how unbearable and obnoxious you are.

    This is how we can can see the degree of respect Jews have for themselves. Have I got it right, Aaron?

    There’s something really disturbed about the way you present yourself. I think I don’t even want to understand.

    Shall we go look up the posts?

    Say it loud, and say it proud. Be sure everyone hears, Fran.

    Or there is Fran’s Sinai after all. Of course, should the likes of Fran be considered a reasonable judge, jury, and executioner of an entire people?

    How would you say genocide starts, Fran?

    What are you looking for here on UR? To be noticed? To be obnoxious? To be abusive?
    Like Ron says who is one of your biggest fans. Collin: 1 + 1 = 5
    You are unbearable. Maybe that is your goal. Who knows, You talk in depth ad nauseam about a place and a people you have never been to or met. Does that sound intelligent to you?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Kali
  486. renfro says:
    @AaronB

    Well there is good anger and bad anger

    The philosopher Aristotle certainly thought that anger was good for a person. In the “Nicomachean Ethics,” he wrote, “The man who is angry at the right things and with the right people, and further, as he ought, when he ought, and as long as he ought, is praised.”
    Not all anger is bad or destructive. The energy created by anger can be a positive force if directed towards positive things. For example, the organization MADD, Mothers Against Drunk Driving, was created when a group of Mothers who were mad about the terrible loss of life caused by Drunk Drivers, decided to harness that energy and use it as a force for good. BDS and anti israel crimes groups are a good anger directed for justice and human rights.

    Bad anger is destructive anger that can come in many ways, either overtly or subtlety and can be just as harmful or worse than rage. The consequence of destructive anger is evident in the eternal hatred of gentiles and all others in the hard core Jewish identities.. Your anger for instance is expressed in claiming superiority and etc . , pretending to want to help the lesser others attain your Jewish level of fine morality and clarity. That is your ‘passive aggressive’ anger meant to poke and prod ‘the others’ …and poor thing , you cant see that we others recognize it for what it is.

    As Colin said its just another version of Jewish ‘shoot and cry’.

  487. @renfro

    That is really good Renfro. You agree with everything I wrote. I guess you are a little slow in understanding that there are no such people as Palestinians. They are Arabs, and most of them have only been there for a few generations and do not go back to the canaanites, maybe they were born in Palestine but their grandparents were not.
    I think we agree on this one subject Renfro. It is a start. So you agree that the Arabs and Muslims share DNA and both come from the same land. Yes there were always Arabs and Jews living there albeit the Arab population has always been much larger. The original partition fo Palestine/ Israel reflected the population. The Jews got a smaller percentage of land.
    But I agree with most of what you wrote. So great Renfro!!!

    Oh and the bible stuff. The Muslims claim it also that they are descendants of Ismael. Pretty universal the bible stuff as reflected in history for Jews, Christians and Muslims. They all agree on the origins.
    Mostly it is a religious fight for the Muslims who do not want the Jews there for religious reasons. If you go to Israel you would see that people are people. Israelis and Palestinians get along fine. They work together. It is the religious Islamic leaders that hate the Jews.
    There is a Jewish gene pool. A Jewish DNA. When I had mine down, they said I was 100% Jewish.

  488. renfro says:
    @AaronB

    You are afraid to read this. Because it does lay out the reasons for the Jewish State’s eventual fall.

    Israel Has Reached the Bottom, and Now It’s Too Late

    https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-israel-has-reached-the-bottom-and-now-it-s-too-late-1.8592825