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In this interview with Swiss thinker Piero San Giorgio I delve into the present global cultural, political and spiritual crisis identifying the centrality of Jewish identitarian philosophy at the heart of current events. Together we elaborate on the significant influence of Jewish thought on whatever is left out of both ‘Left’ and ‘Right.’ Those who are interested in my thought and the few who are still disturbed by my ideas will enjoy this extended discussion as we simplified some of the most problematic contemporary topics to do with controlled opposition, identitarianism, the collapse of the Left and its surrender to biological determinism, the centrality of Zionism and more.

(Republished from Gilad Atzmon by permission of author or representative)
 
• Category: Ideology • Tags: Jews, Zionism 
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  1. Nodwink says:

    The Summer Olympics were postponed, but the Oppression Olympics are in full swing:

    • Thanks: Father Coughlin
  2. Jews owned and ran the slave trade, not whites…

    Read “New World Jewry 1493-1825” by Seymour B. Liebman or “A History of the Jews From Babylonia Exile by Solomon Grayzel. Jews and Judaism in the United States: A Documentary History by Marc Lee Faphael, United States Jewry 1776-1985 by Jacob Marcus,

    You can find references to these books at the Jewish Historical Society. This is history written by Jews for Jews. Most people don’t even know of these books.

    In 1820 over 75% of all Jewish families in Charleston, Richmond and Savannah owned slaves. In the whole of the United States, Almost 40% of all Jewish households in America owned one slave or more.

    Or read “Jews in Colonial Brazil” by Arnold Wizniter

    Jews were agents of the Crown and made a fortune selling slaves. The books above are written by Jews who were proud of their efforts in the slave trade.

    Jews were the vilest monsters of the slave trade without Jews the slave trade would not have existed and yet this history remains hidden.

    Jewish media keeps this hidden but the Internet has exposed them to those who want to find the truth.

    It was whites who ended slavery and the Jewish media blamed them for the trade. Nice huh??

    Famous slavers: Isaac Da Costa of Charleston in the 1750s, David Franks of Philadelphia of the 1760s, and Aaron Lopes of Newport in the late 1760s and early 1770 dominated the Jewish slave trading on the American continent.

    Jews so thoroughly dominated the slave trade that auction houses had to close on Jewish holidays

    Also read “Who Brought the Slaves to America” by an African American by the name of Walter White.

    Need I say more…

  3. “Jews were the vilest monsters of the slave trade without Jews the slave trade would not have existed and yet this history remains hidden.”

    Absolutely correct. But our problem is, nobody reads books anymore, if indeed they ever did, and you’ve recommended four books for our enlightenment.

    I have a B.A. in English and I haven’t read more than a couple books in a decade. Books, even Kindle books, are like opera: an anachronism, and a pedantic luxury in an age when we’re tearing down statues of Thomas Jefferson.

    We need to hype more user-friendly methods of truth delivery. Short, fact-based videos are probably the best, as long as they sack the spooky music and get a host who’s not fresh off his latest psilocybin excursion and doesn’t spend the first couple of minutes adjusting the camera.

    Or sit at a bus stop holding a big sign, “Jews own slaves” or whatever alternate wording floats yer boat. Or for those with sacks of stone who don’t mind getting their car windows smashed in, something similar on your vehicle so you can share the information with the I-80.

    If anybody stops and asks for more information we can have a leaflet at the ready, with website suggestions and a bibliography.

    Everybody on UNZ already knows the 411. It’s the other 99.9% of America we gotta proselytize.

  4. MarkU says:
    @Nancy Pelosi's Latina Maid

    There are problems with videos, it is rare for a video to adequately cite sources, and where it originated is a vital part of the information. Also videos present information at a snails pace, any proficient reader can read many times faster than a person can speak. Usually video lectures/interviews bore the shit out of me. Much as I respect Gilad Atzmon there is no way I am going to listen to the whole interview, it is a shame about the lack of a transcript.

    • Replies: @Banu
  5. @Nancy Pelosi's Latina Maid

    If you don’t read books, you are stupid. 2 + 2 really does equal 4.

  6. The world needs a Jew-korea.

  7. @JimmyCrackCorn

    In 1820 over 75% of all Jewish families in Charleston, Richmond and Savannah owned slaves. In the whole of the United States, Almost 40% of all Jewish households in America owned one slave or more.

    so idiotic and this has all been researched before. 75 % of Jewish families. There were less then 90 Jewish families in Richmond and Savannah in 1820. There were 15,000 Jewish living in the US in 1840. So you do the math. The whole premise is pretty dopey. Stupid.

    • Troll: Bro43rd
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Exile
    , @karel
  8. @Nancy Pelosi's Latina Maid

    ‘Everybody on UNZ already knows the 411. It’s the other 99.9% of America we gotta proselytize.’

    The logic here escapes me. So what if Jews were involved in the slave trade? That makes any current Jewish posturing obviously hypocritical…but that’s news?

    There are far, far more central issues to be addressed. Who did what three hundred years ago when it was all seen as perfectly legitimate in the first place is of trivial importance.

  9. @Colin Wright

    “Who did what three hundred years ago when it was all seen as perfectly legitimate in the first place is of trivial importance.”

    I couldn’t agree more. Somehow BLM didn’t get this memo. We didn’t raise this exsanguinated shibboleth.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  10. @Nancy Pelosi's Latina Maid

    Video’s are a medium of yesteryear too.
    They run on a second screen to produce some background sounds to substitute for lonelyness.

    But there’s something better.

    • Replies: @Icy Blast
  11. Please provide a readable transcript, Gilad. You have shut me out by making it audio-video, and I’m not even deaf.

  12. @Fran Taubman

    ‘….so idiotic and this has all been researched before. 75 % of Jewish families. There were less then 90 Jewish families in Richmond and Savannah in 1820. There were 15,000 Jewish living in the US in 1840. So you do the math. The whole premise is pretty dopey. Stupid.’

    This is like something out of a bizarre comedy skit. Party A makes a logically flawed assertion. Party B ‘rebuts’ it with what amounts to word salad — then labels party A’s post ‘stupid.’

    • Thanks: Bro43rd
  13. @Nancy Pelosi's Latina Maid

    ‘I couldn’t agree more. Somehow BLM didn’t get this memo. We didn’t raise this exsanguinated shibboleth.’

    Indeed. And writ large, this is my attitude towards everything that’s coming at us.

    This wasn’t my idea. I didn’t want to go here. But since you obviously want to party, let’s dance.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  14. @JimmyCrackCorn

    Interesting bibliographical information. One of the books is easy to order. The others are not available or costs $ 1500 (used). But I suspect that the book that is easy to order is an apologetic history without much interest. It was written for a lay public about 70 years ago. It’s probably a propaganda work.

    Elliott Horowitz wrote a critical book about Purim. He discusses one case of a group of Jews who go out to celebrate Purim and kill a non Jewish young man – more or less because it was a fun thing to do on Purim (this is my interpretation based on what he says). Horowitz then shows how later historians falsyfied this history bit by bit. Each generation changed one detail of this story. The last historian told then how Jews had been attacked. Horowitz shows carefully how history in this case was currupted by historians and how the official history of this episode became a fake history. But this is something that you’ll find only in a critical and honest historian like Horowitz, not in a normal history book for a big public (by the way, I don’t recomend generally his book because a large part of it are very dry theological discussions and it’s a very specialised book for professional historians). Another critical historian is Shlomo Sand (also not always very easy to read). Horowitz and Sand are critical historians (just like Albert Lindeman who wrote a great book, Esau’s Tears). Reading the books that you mention is out of question because they are either not available, or not very modern and possible in part outdated, or because they were conceived as a whole as propaganda. I’m not going to read those books because a certain detail in the books might be interesting.

    It would have been interesting if you had told more about the books, quoted from them. I think that history may help in some cases to understand out times. But I also agree with Colin that there are other issues now which can be discussed without historical references and I also ask myself if what you say about the matter is really accurate, or if the way that you mentioned this subject is correct.

  15. @Colin Wright

    No this has been refuted from the NOI many many times, the 75% of Jewish families owning slaves. If you take 75% of 90 you get 67 Jewish families as slave owners, a very small amount. It is smoke and mirrors. Very few Jews owned slaves and a very few were involved in the shipping and procurement of slaves, as compared to non Jews.

    • Disagree: Katrinka
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Fox
  16. anonymous[336] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright

    what is meant by “exsanguinated shibboleth”?

    major problem w/ Atzmon is he tries hard to be a “philosopher” and “intellectual,” dealing in the abstract, rather than offering facts and patterns.

    the 35 min spent on this video were a waste of my time.

  17. Gilad most of Jewish identity comes from non Jews who identify Jews by their surnames. I have pointed this out many times before. People say the NYT is a Jewish owned publication. The Sulzburgers married outside of Judaism 2 generations ago. They no longer identity as Jewish

    Sulzberger was born in Mount Kisco, New York, one of two children of Barbara Winslow (née Grant)[4] and Arthur Ochs “Punch” Sulzberger Sr. Through his father, he is a grandson of Arthur Hays Sulzberger and a great-grandson of Adolph Ochs. His sister is Karen Alen Sulzberger, who is married to author Eric Lax.[5]

    Sulzberger’s mother was of mostly English and Scottish origin and his father was of German Jewish origin (both Ashkenazic and Sephardic).[6] His parents divorced when he was five years old. Sulzberger was raised in his mother’s Episcopalian faith; however, he no longer observes any religion.[7]

    This is also true of the Rothschilds, who married outside of the Jewish faith and no longer identify as being Jewish. Yet Jew haters identity both of these families as Jewish. People call you Jewish Gilad, though you no longer consider yourself a Jew. My conclusion is Jewish identity is from the outside in. Phillip Giraldi wants all Jewish surnames out of politics.

    Judaism is a religious dynasty where Jews can communicate directly to a divine super natural being without a middleman a prophet. That is the claim. Jews do not claim to be superior or to want to own or run the world. They even offer a way for non Jews to adopt the same method for reaching higher forms of spirituality and communicate to a higher being. Any non Jew can study the Kabbalah.

    Everything else you right about Jewish identity is made up bullshit that you borrowed from Christian Jew hatred from the middle ages, that has now been revived by Islam. I would ask you Gilad who is a Jew? If someone has the last name of Greenberg, with a non Jewish mother and goes to a church to pray, is he a Jew? If he is wealthy he is considered a Jew by Jew haters.

    So who started Jewish Identity politics? Jew haters? Jews identify as Jews to fight Jew hatred.

  18. anonymous[336] • Disclaimer says:

    Lil Miss Hot Mess was among the first Drag Queen Story Hour queens, and serves on its global leadership team.
    https://www.lilmisshotmess.com

    Jewish drag queen Lil Miss Hot Mess will read to kids during a story hour in a Brooklyn library next week. Oh, and she does bar and bat mitzvahs.
    https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/lil-miss-hot-mess-makes-a-great-childrens-storyteller

    When I saw a picture of Lil Miss Hot Mess, I promptly thought, “That is a Jewish girl.” So I reached out to the Feminist Press for confirmation, and was promptly emailed a link to a video of Lil Miss Hot Mess performing Peter, Paul and Mary’s “Light One Candle” as a sexy gold light-up human menorah. So yes.


    . . .
    I met Lil Miss Hot Mess for coffee this week in Greenwich Village. She’d recently switched coasts to begin grad school at NYU. “Why read to kids?” I asked.

    “Drag queens and kids are a natural fit, but also transgressive, duh,” she told me. “It’s the final frontier for drag queens!

  19. atavism says:
    @JimmyCrackCorn

    Jews are whites, ignoramus. Or do you want to turn them into a race?

  20. @atavism

    The ignorance of people on this thread and UR is astounding. So freaking stupid.

  21. @Fran Taubman

    God help us. So…Fran…what was your score on the quantitative section of the GRE?

  22. Chris Moore says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    You’re not even a Jew. You’re a Zionist, reciting the Zionist narrative, trying to maintain the ongoing “chosen” illusion to preserve the Syndicate grift, and keep the racket filthy lucre–built on slavery, theft, murder and extortion–flowing.

    If you were a real Jew, you’d be hunting fake Jews (Zionists and grifters like yourself), just like Moses, the founder of Judaism, hunted Hebrew degenerates to keep the nation clean of grifter filth.

    Too bad he didn’t get your ancestors, you nation-less swindler.

    • Thanks: Fran Taubman
  23. @JimmyCrackCorn

    I purchased a book by Nation of Islam entitled ‘Jews Selling Blacks’. I recommend it.

    This book is a compendium of posters used to publicize slave auctions that were held in the US during the early 19th century.

    All of the ‘producers’ of these events (the sellers) were prominent Jews with names like Cohen, Abrams, Goldstein, etc.

    Even though powerful Jewish groups today are attempting to scrub the central role played by Jews in slavery (not to mention human trafficking by Israelis), the documented evidence is there and it is compelling.

    Shame on organized Jewry for its hypocrisy and outright mendacity. As major players in international mass media, Jewish owners, editors and publishers are not only sanitizing their history, but keeping alive the lie that the black community in America is being preyed upon by racist white cops rather than a criminal black underclass. These poisonous falsehoods are a plague on our fraying civilization.

    • Agree: Katrinka
    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  24. @mark green

    Anyone with a flashlight battery for a brain has to know that the NOI books on Jews and slavery are completely bogus due to lack of scholarship, and accurate facts. The book on the Secret Relationship has been refuted many times just google it. Here is the way this bullshit runs. NOI says 75% of Jews owned slaves in 1840, when total number of Jewish families was 90, which means that about 60 Jewish families owned slaves.
    Hardly a blip on the slave radar.

    https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/jews-and-the-african-slave-trade/
    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1995/09/slavery-and-the-jews/376462/

    We Jews get really cranky when Jew haters post lies about Jews and slave ownership by the NOI. It must be mentioned that anyone believing anything the NOI says about Jews is just an ignorant Jew hater.

  25. Katrinka says:
    @atavism

    Jews are a race according to Trump’s recent executive order. But, Jews are also a religion, God’s Chosen People Inc.

  26. @Fran Taubman

    The NOI book is composed of reprinted posters from the 19th century. Nothing more. Are you saying that Jews never owned or traded slaves? Seriously?

    Even Confederate Attorney General, Judah Benjamin, owned some 140 slaves. No one disputes that. This includes Supreme Court Justice, Ruth Bader Ginsberg, who has written glowingly of Judah Benjamin, despite Benjamin’s slave-ownership and sense of ‘white’ superiority.

    I recommend that you examine the documents before you dismiss them.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  27. Chris Moore says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    We Jews

    There you go again, Franny Fraudman.

    “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.” — Joseph Goebbels.

    He stole everything he knew about propaganda from the Judeofascists. That’s the real reason they (you) hate him.

    The problem with his (your) thesis is that if you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, eventually people will come to believe you’re a liar. Then when you tell the truth, no one cares.

    You really should have read The Boy Who Cried Wolf. But I guess Aesop’s Fables are too peasant for the “chosen.” Rothschilds have more important things to do, like counting money and starting wars.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  28. Icy Blast says:
    @Fuerchtegott

    Learning to spell and punctuate has been known to ameliorate loneliness.

    • Thanks: Fuerchtegott
  29. Jewish Chameleon Politics aren’t better.
    Hey blacky, Gilad is your real jewish friend.

  30. @mark green

    I recommend you read the Atlantic article and other commentary on the NOI book.

  31. @Chris Moore

    Ad hominem attacks does not make an argument, just drivel.

    You really should have read The Boy Who Cried Wolf. But I guess Aesop’s Fables are too peasant for the “chosen.” Rothschilds have more important things to do, like counting money and starting wars

    That makes sense to you? My point was the Rothschilds are no longer Jewish.

    • Replies: @Chris Moore
  32. @atavism

    The idea that “Jews are whites” would probably be a surprise to a number of non-White Jews. It also presupposes that White is a category, however defined, that can be assigned to non-Whites when those become, by whatever process, Jews. This appears to be particularly muddled thinking.

    Also, to turn people “into a race” presupposes that race is an arbitrarily assignable quality rather than the recognition of preexisting biological facts. Again, rather muddled thinking, Maybe next time, you might make your assumptions clear beforehand and then put an actual argument forward? Those tend to be the more coherent posts. Of course, YMMV and all that.

  33. anonymous[336] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Taubman

    So who started Jewish Identity politics? Jew haters? Jews identify as Jews to fight Jew hatred.

    Jews started Jewish identity politics.

    The same Jews who pasted the label, Hate, on the swastika, also helped create NAACP

    E Michael Jones has documented how Jews use pornography and other sexual perversion to gain control over a population

    According to Jew David Harris, who’s now dressing up like a university instructor in sociology, perverting little children at libraries is the last frontier of Jewish “transgressiveness. Duh.”

    Where does Jew Harris get his money to start a perverted project like Drag Queen story hour?
    His New York university is ground zero for holocaustism, another project in pornography.

    Lil Miss Hot Mess was among the first Drag Queen Story Hour queens, and serves on its global leadership team.
    https://www.lilmisshotmess.com

    Jewish drag queen Lil Miss Hot Mess will read to kids during a story hour in a Brooklyn library next week. Oh, and she does bar and bat mitzvahs.
    https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/lil-miss-hot-mess-makes-a-great-childrens-storyteller

    When I saw a picture of Lil Miss Hot Mess, I promptly thought, “That is a Jewish girl.” So I reached out to the Feminist Press for confirmation, and was promptly emailed a link to a video of Lil Miss Hot Mess performing Peter, Paul and Mary’s “Light One Candle” as a sexy gold light-up human menorah. So yes.


    . . .
    I met Lil Miss Hot Mess for coffee this week in Greenwich Village. She’d recently switched coasts to begin grad school at NYU. “Why read to kids?” I asked.

    “Drag queens and kids are a natural fit, but also transgressive, duh,” she told me. “It’s the final frontier for drag queens!

    You’re a disgusting human being, Fran Taubman.
    If you represent Jews, then Jews are disgusting people, intent on perverting and undermining anything that’s worthwhile in civilization.

  34. Chris Moore says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    My point was the Rothschilds are no longer Jewish.

    And neither are you. It’s all just a grand pose, a conceit, a stage for method acting — motivated by a quest for money, identity, attention, power and purpose.

    At best, you’re a Talmudist, which rewards and encourages fraud and double-dealing as proof of Choseness.

    Which means the lot of you “Jews” are nuclear-armed nutcases collectively play acting your way to a holocaust of humanity. Pathological money and attention whores who belong in an insane asylum as a mortal threat to humanity.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  35. @Chris Moore

    Good luck with that. No I mean sincerely, it’s just so funny to hear someone talk like that openly. I am pretty sure you will get locked up before I do. Want to bet money. As a Jew I have money to burn.
    BAH HA HA HA.

    • Replies: @Chris Moore
  36. @Fran Taubman

    Read some stuff I’ve already recommended (and I still think it’s a good read):

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  37. @Bardon Kaldian

    Maurice Samuels is my favorite and a very accurate description of the dichotomy between Jews and gentiles. We Jews are a religious dynasty dedicated to serving and communicating one on one directly to a divine supernatural being, with no prophet or intermediary, we have had that connection since Mt. Sinai. We are not giving it up. It has its good sides and bad but all in all Judaism has given much to the world morally and spiritually as reinterpreted by prophets like Jesus and Mohammed. Those other religions do not discount our ability to directly connect thru customs, rituals, and chants directly to the divine source. It does have a power, but it is not satanic. Judaism and its connection to Torah has caused fear and anger to the uneducated, but Jews will never give up their birth dynasty of carrying forth their sacred communications with the divine being that controls the universe. It is 3000 years old, and to those who think they can change that by disparaging Judaism, and attributing evilness to us are wasting their time, it has been tried many times and has never worked. Now Jews are stronger then ever with a country, standing army, air force and technology that the world covets. No major forces in the world are aligned to harm the Jews, just tin horn Jew haters on UR and other fanatics, who spew their illogical trash. Just look at the pedophile claims and remember all those catholic priest.

    No one group either ethnic, racial or religiously, hold either all goodness or all evil. People are people and Jews have good and bad and mostly in-between. The laws of the universe that have been proven out over millennia.

  38. Banu says:
    @MarkU

    If you click over to Youtube on the video, at the lower right there’s a machine generated transcript available, usually indicated by an ellipses, 3 horizontal dots you can click them and choose “open transcript.” Not perfect transcription but awfully good, and you can then get the gist of a 20 minute video in 2 minutes.

    tl/dr click the 3 dots bro

    • Replies: @MarkU
  39. @atavism

    A group that has, according to its own accounts, inbred, killed or expelled out-breeders, and otherwise kept itself genetically isolated for some 2,500 years is certainly a clade, which is just a technical term corresponding to the common understanding of what constitutes a race. Modern genetic analyses confirm the genetic distinctness of Jews. A genomic analysis can easily determine one’s Jewish ancestry as a percentage of one’s total genome.

    The situation is somewhat complicated by the fact that geographic and cultural separation have created sub-clades (sub-races) within the broader Jewish clade (race). Ashkenazim, Sephardim, and Mizrahim are genetically distinct sub-clades (sub-races) within the broader Jewish clade (race).

    Jews were relatively late entrants into Europe, first arriving a little over two millennia ago. After a relatively brief period when Jewish male immigrants bred with native European women, Ashkenaz Jews returned to their endogamous practices. Further genetic separation occurred as a result of a founder effect. This was due to a serious reduction in Ashkenaz genetic diversity some 1,000 to 1,500 years ago.

    There was literally no Jewish presence in Europe until at least three thousand years after the Yamnaya (the PC name for those once called Aryans or Indo-Europeans) had taken over the continent. As such Ashkenaz Jews are truly not European but a distinct clade, a minority who imported themselves from their place of origin in the Levant. Since the terms White and European are almost synonymous, it’s not at all unreasonable to characterize Jews as a non-White race.

  40. @Fran Taubman

    Since Judaism likes numerology, here is one I thunked up:

    ∞ is the ineffable
    x is the material

    ∞ * x = ∞; ∞ / x = ∞;

    ∞ + x = ∞; ∞ – x = ∞;

    Here is how 1 (existence) and 0 (non-existence) both half-mimic the ineffable, within the material:

    x * 1 = x; x / 1 = x; (x+1 = x+1; x-1 = x-1 – theism is stabilising?)

    x + 0 = x; x – 0 = x; (x*0 = 0; x/0 = undefined – nihilism leads to extremes?)

    Both existence and non existence are half the answer. As the Buddha said – looking into the past, non-existence does not occur, and looking into the future, existence does not occur. https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn12/sn12.015.than.html

    No one group either ethnic, racial or religiously, hold either all goodness or all evil. People are people and Jews have good and bad and mostly in-between. The laws of the universe that have been proven out over millennia.

    This denies the moral teachings and possible efficacy of all faiths – ‘some people are good, some are bad, some are in-between, so don’t judge or compare faiths and their practitioners, we are all just human after all!’. Where then does Jewish aristocracy spring from?!

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  41. @Ilya G Poimandres

    What is Jewish aristocracy? Judaism is built around a relationship to the divine being, not thru a prophet or the death of a prophet. The divine presence was reviled with a face to face encounter on Mt. Sinai. We were taught special techniques for praying to achieve this one to one. Like our own apple iPhone, or radio signal, unique to us. We were told to lead by example. Studying Torah creates emanations to the divine. It is a coded existence, even the name for the divine is hidden and lost, for saying it the sound of it is all powerful.
    You can think this is full of shit and be on your way. But we have been around a long time. We talked before it is sort of pointless really. You hate Jews and Judaism, think we did 9/11 and the Holocaust is fake. So what do you want me to say? I think you and your formulas are ridiculous.

    hashemhu

    • Replies: @Ilya G Poimandres
  42. Chris Moore says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    I am pretty sure you will get locked up before I do. Want to bet money.

    And having lost the debate, its ego bruised and battered, the “Jew” (parasite) begins spitting Bolshevik threats.

    Do you finally understand, dear Fanny Fraud, why nation-builder Moses went at Hebrew parasites with long knives?

  43. @Fran Taubman

    I just consider all those who devote themselves to unverifiable faith to be deluded. Which is why I like Dhamma and the scientific method. As for talking to the Divine – or vice versa – Plato’s Parmenides dialogue shows that to be logically fallacious http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/parmenides.html. His ‘Greatest Difficulty’ is simply disproving what he has proven – what every theistic faith has engaged in for millennia, and failed. Luckily, Carl Rovelli’s relational quantum mechanics is coming to save the day, once enough physicists pick up their philosophy and theology books again!

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  44. @Fran Taubman

    ‘We Jews get really cranky when Jew haters post lies about Jews and slave ownership by the NOI.’

    You Jews seem to get ‘really cranky’ when anyone posts anything critical about Jews — truth or lies.

  45. @Jus' Sayin'...

    ‘Jews were relatively late entrants into Europe, first arriving a little over two millennia ago. ‘

    If you’d read Shlomo Sand’s The Invention of the Jewish People, you’d realize Jews no more ‘arrived’ in Europe than Christians did.

    Like Christians, most Jews outside of Palestine were converts, not immigrants.

    There was no expulsion of Jews from Palestine, and no Diaspora. That’s the first myth one has to free oneself of. The Jews of Palestine stayed right where they were, eventually becoming either Christians or Muslims.

    Today, their descendants are known as ‘Palestinians.’ People like Fran Taubman revile and persecute them.

    • Agree: Ann Nonny Mouse
  46. @Fran Taubman

    ‘We Jews are a religious dynasty dedicated to serving and communicating one on one directly to a divine supernatural being, with no prophet or intermediary, we have had that connection since Mt. Sinai. ‘

    Usually, if someone thinks God is talking to him, he’s accounted insane.

    How does this change if the belief is collective, Fran?

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  47. @JimmyCrackCorn

    A handful of Jews somehow forced slave ownership on most of the founding fathers and important members of 18th Century US society?

    If #BLM fails to give conscious agency to anyone except white-skinned peoples, then they are met, with less popular but equal idiocy, by Unz denizens, who only allow agency to those they think all have aquiline noses.

    I don’t know how white skin or potentially having an aquiline nose would make one a free individual and others not; but I thoroughly disagree with both as observations.

    I don’t think I’ll ever stop finding it strange that people are so unable to accept the complexities in themselves, and those they identify with, that they need to pretend that just about anyone else was actually responsible.

  48. @Colin Wright

    I never heard Christians or Muslims doubt that Moses talked directly to god. That was the whole point or most of the point of the exchange between the two, as well as on Mt. Sinai. God said he usually comes to prophets indirectly in dreams. But with Moses it was face to face, and then when Moses asked god who the response was I am that I am , Is that in dispute by believers in monotheism? Moses was an unwitting prophet who really wanted know part of the plan to free the Jews. Not only that he had a speech impediment and thought he was a poor choice to be leader.

    You can think the whole entire thing is made up I do not much care. I have my doubts, but the neither Jesus or Mohammed disputed Moses. The rendezvous that the Jews had with the divine on Mt. Sinai was similarly meant to be a one on one.

    I think you are insane and you surely talk to no one. Who really cares what you think? These are profound ideas Jews have been carrying around for thousands of years. You are no more then an empty suit who thinks all the Jews in Israel are going to come flying back to NY on El Al. Meanwhile Israel is about to declare sovereignty over the West Bank and the Jordon valley. I have not seen any extensive plane bookings.

    You don’t need to respond to what I say if you do not believe move along. What is your point?

  49. @Ilya G Poimandres

    I just consider all those who devote themselves to unverifiable faith to be deluded. Which is why I like Dhamma and the scientific method. As for talking to the Divine – or vice versa – Plato’s Parmenides dialogue shows that to be logically fallacious http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/parmenides.html.

    Well good for you!! have a great day. There has never been any universal physics theories to explain the planned design of creation as we know it. Science changes daily. God does not.

    • Replies: @Ilya G Poimandres
  50. I always believed that one of the greatest Americans was Jonas Salk. Don’t like Jews. Well you could get polio.

    Jonas Salk accepted no royalties for his polio vaccine.

    Edward Manfredonia

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @anon
  51. nickels says:

    Well spoken saxOPHinist.

  52. Jewish intellectual movements are the reason we HAVE Antifa and BLM and black Bolsheviks.

    Blacks only have a voice when Jewish academia and media ALLOW blacks to have a voice.

    Yes, the 60’s revolution WAS fueled by anti-white anti-Christian Jewish intellectuals……
    there is no way you can spin that as having been beneficial to America.

    • Replies: @Amerimutt Golems
  53. Anon[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Taubman

    You only said 90 families for Richmond and Savannah. What about Charleston?

  54. @Anon

    Look it up douchebag. There were not many Jews living in the South at that time. Look it up.
    That is the point. Its like 75% of nobody. I am pretty sure that includes Charleston.

  55. JEWISH SLAVE SHIP OWNERS
    Below is a listing of the slave ships and the names of the Jewish owners of those ships.

    Name of Ship—Jewish Owners
    Abigail————Aaron Lopez, Moses Levy, Jacob Franks
    Crown————-Issac Levy and Nathan Simpson
    Nassau————-Moses Levy
    Four Sisters——–Moses Levy
    Anne & Eliza——Justus Bosch and John Abrams
    Prudent Betty——Henry Cruger and Jacob Phoenix
    Hester—————-Mordecai and David Gomez
    Elizabeth ————Mordecai and David Gomez
    Antigua————–Nathan Marston and Abram Lyell
    Betsy —————–Wm. De Woolf
    Polly——————-James De Woolf
    White Horse———-Jan de Sweevts
    Expedition———–John and Jacob Roosevelt
    Charlotte————-Moses and Sam Levy and Jacob Franks
    Caracoa—————Moses and Sam Levy
    Source: Elizabeth Donnan, 4 Volumes, ‘Documents Illustrative of the History of the Slave Trade to America’ Washington, D.C. 1930, 1935 Carnegie Institute of Technology, Pittsburgh, Pa.

    • Thanks: Patagonia Man
    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  56. @Robert Dolan

    And your point? No one said there were no Jewish owners of slave ships. Jewish participation was a very small percentage of the overall slave trade. There was the NOI book and rebuttals by valid sources that NOI sources were a muddled mess and misleading for the purpose of Jew hatred. This is not need. Same with Tony Martin.

    • Replies: @Exile
  57. Fox says:
    @Fran Taubman

    That’s like saying that most people prefer kosher foods when asked what they buy. Most people don’t know that almost all foods (+ aluminum foil) in the US are kosher. Hence, if asked whether one likes brand B, and assents, and if it is kosher, hence one prefers kosher foods, even if one doesn’t know that the seal on the box certifies the contents to be kosher.
    The kernel of the finding about the 90 families in Savannah is that of 90 Jewish families 67 had Slaves – an altogether small absolute number but high percentage (75 %). If you levy such numbers with non-Jews, then you’ll find perhaps that of 50000 families 1000 owned slaves (I am just putting an arbitrary number to make the point), then they owned a lot more slaves than the Jews, but the percentage is much lower (2 %).
    The conclusion is that one group has a strong leaning towards, the other against keeping and owning slaves.

    • LOL: Fran Taubman
    • Replies: @karel
  58. @Edward Manfredonia

    ‘I always believed that one of the greatest Americans was Jonas Salk. Don’t like Jews. Well you could get polio.

    Jonas Salk accepted no royalties for his polio vaccine.

    Edward Manfredonia

    Hitler was against smoking.

    Don’t like Hitler? Well, get lung cancer.

  59. @Fran Taubman

    Sure God changes! He even admits to error in the Old Testament, changes covenants with his people.

    And then there is the issue that all faiths change much of what they believe through time, so if their God is stationary then the faithful misrepresent him at least most times.. Other than a name empty of meaning and devoid of consistency – as Lao Tzu says, ‘names can name no lasting name. Nameless – the origin of Heaven and Earth. Naming – the mother of ten thousand things.’.

  60. @Jus' Sayin'...

    You are talking total nonsense. Colin Wright’s reply concerning Shlomo Sand’s proof that the pretense that there it a Jewish people is bogus (that pretense I mean, not Colin’s words), they were all the descendants of proselytes, there was no Second Exile, Sand’s book rigorously covers every known category of Jew, real, thorough proof.

    Yet it is only part of it. Flavius Josephus wrote quoting an author of the first century BC, work now lost as most of that era are, saying the Jews dominated every city of the Hellenistic world, the entire region from the Atlantic to the Indus Valley, giant region.

    And then there was the Hebrew Sibyl of the Maccabean era who wrote that the Jews filled every continent at that time.

    And then there is the Septuagint, completed by 200 BC. Why?

    Then there is Ashkenaz at Genesis 10.3 proving that the Ashkenazim are Japhethites, not Semites.

    You talk total rubbish.

  61. Exile says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Fran, your numbers are questionable and your argument is evasive.

    Your Tribe has been notoriously resistant to being counted for many generations – well before the “six million” were conjured out of your Tribe’s self-serving statistics after WWII. Look at Spain’s conversos, for instance.

    Readers can do a search on an honest engine for “Jews crypsis.” I don’t suggest using Joogle unless you want to make this a harder but still doable task to find accurate non-propagandized information. I also suggest readers do their own research on the number of Jews in the United States in the relevant time frames. Keep in mind the amount of economic, political and cultural influence Jews have in the United States today at less than 3% of the total population and in Britain and Ireland with less than 1% of the population.

    Dragging everyone into the weeds of counting the exact number of Jews, families etc… is a deflection.

    Did a supermajority of Jewish families in the American South own slaves – yes or no? Did a large percentage in the North?

    If they did, your tribe’s claim to moral superiority – that slavery is a White problem, not a Fellow White problem, is false.

    Whenever a Jew dismisses something as stupid, ridiculous, laughable etc… without backing it up, assume they are lying to cover up (((tricks))).

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  62. Exile says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Fran, just because sources make Jews look bad doesn’t make them invalid. Facts don’t care about your moralizing or your Talmudry.

    Readers, if she keeps making unsupported assertions and value judgments without giving you any facts to judge her oy-veying, feel free to assume she’s lying.

    • Replies: @Fuerchtegott
  63. karel says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Do you understand what percentage means? I presume that you are not much good at math but could you understand that had there been 500 Jewish families, 75% would still have been slave owners?

  64. karel says:
    @Fox

    Soon there will be kosher TV sets nicely packaged with kosher programs. Is this not a tyranny?

  65. @Exile

    The real move is to look up how to ignore someone.
    And then simply do it.
    By engaging with the creatures constant lying you feed it.

  66. @Robert Dolan

    Yes, the 60’s revolution WAS fueled by anti-white anti-Christian Jewish intellectuals…… there is no way you can spin that as having been beneficial to America.

    This is what ‘redpilled’ Kevin MacDonald alongside his visit to Jamaica as a volunteer.

  67. @karel

    Do you understand what percentage means? I presume that you are not much good at math but could you understand that had there been 500 Jewish families, 75% would still have been slave owners?

    The word disproportionate is even more dummy-proof. The same pattern applies to other vices.

  68. @Exile

    I am not here to defend my tribe from bad numbers, or say that Jews are not responsible for bad things, or even horrible things. They are. I am saying that Jews are like other ethnic groups. All people do horrible things. People manipulate information about the Jews not to explore the truth but to assign cosmic Jewish evil, blaming the Jews for all the chaos and evil in the world. The largest deaths in the US in 2020 are caused by opium addiction sold by Mexican drug cartels and manufactured chemically in China. All these people are evil snakes. The human race is violent and cruel. Jews no more or less then others.

    Did a supermajority of Jewish families in the American South own slaves – yes or no? Did a large percentage in the North?

    I never said the Jews did not participate in the slave trade. I am saying the presentation by the NOI is misleading and I presented reading material to explain. Slavery has been around since biblical times. The Romans and the Muslims were very involved in slave trading along with the Africans themselves. Your question is misleading and irrelevant. There were 90 Jewish families in 1840 in the south. Aaron Lopez was a slave trader in Newport who sponsored 21 slave ships compared to 347 by non Jews. The majority of the Atlantic slave trade was by Portugal, Britain, France and Denmark.

    The question is not did the majority of Jews own slaves, the question is were the Jews a major player in the Atlantic slave trade, and the answer is no.

    If you are a Jew hater you are not seeking the truth you will manipulate the facts to support your hatred. Jew haters have an agenda. The NOI are Jew haters, not truth seekers. Jews are like other peoples in the world no worse no better. I am here to separate the truth from the Jew haters who want to make Jews out to be preternaturally evil by birth. That is a lie.

  69. @Colin Wright

    I agree Colin… Tel Aviv should send here a slightly more sophisticated troll than Fran, we are important enough…:)

  70. @karel

    Good question …It seems as if self identified tribals only understand % and the notion of vast over representation when it refers to whites, Palestinians, Arabs , Muslims.. they always find it difficult when it points at their over overrepresentation in some problematic lists. However they do understand what percentage means when referring the Nobel prices winners.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  71. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:
    @Edward Manfredonia

    Don’t know what goes on in dark places.
    Been told by well a placed source that
    Salk’s vaccine caused polio that the preventative
    for polio was time: time and polio move on.

  72. @Fran Taubman

    ‘I am not here to defend my tribe from bad numbers, or say that Jews are not responsible for bad things, or even horrible things. They are…’

    Here we go again.

    Really? You say Jews are responsible for bad things and horrible things?

    What are they?

    We will once again hear the sound of silence.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  73. @Gilad Atzmon

    ‘I agree Colin… Tel Aviv should send here a slightly more sophisticated troll than Fran, we are important enough…:)

    Don’t blame Israel for Fran. Zionists may be evil, but they’re not stupid…at least not that stupid.

    Fran’s definitely free-lance. If anyone was paying her, it would have to be Iran, or Hamas.

    But she helps advance their cause for free. I’m sure of it.

    Keep pitchin’, Fran. We like to keep hittin.’ Another one right over the plate, please. About fifty mph…

  74. MarkU says:
    @Banu

    Thank you for that information, I will do that next time.

  75. @Gilad Atzmon

    Ha! Ha! Ha! You are dealing with the % of and notion of vast over representation with low brow WN, NOI and Holocaust deniers and you think Tel Aviv is going to send you the big time Hasbara Trolls? Get real. The big boys (and girls) are dealing with sovereignty over the West Bank and the Jordan Valley. Maybe arguing with real top notch Trita Parsi types about Iran. News flash: 25% of Nobel laureates are Jewish, that’s the big wheel on the Gilad Atzmon articles. So quick how many Jews is that? What percentage of the Jewish population. Such important stuff.

    Lest see what the top notch Hasbara trolls are talking about. This from Trita.

    John Bolton’s revenge book hasn’t revealed much that is new. But there is one exception: the story of Bolton, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s efforts to sabotage Trump’s would-be diplomacy with Tehran.

    This episode reveals something crucial and until now not fully appreciated: Netanyahu’s ferocious opposition to the Iran nuclear deal had little to do with the deal itself and everything to do with the very idea of the United States striking any deal with Iran. Because Netanyahu wasn’t targeting his nemesis Obama this time – he was undermining his friend Trump.

    Imagine talking to the big boys (and girls) about all the Jews booking flights to NY and giving up Zionism, like Colin thinks is going to happen any minute now. LOL. At least Trita has been to the ME and has talked to real Israelis and Palestinians, unlike Colin who speaks to these people in his dreams behind his big intellectual chit chat, and never seen the conflict up close and personal.

    Gilad your intellectual topic is Jewish identity politics. Do you realize that there is no longer a credible Jewish political identity? Who is a Jew Gilad? Your audience is so unsophisticated they identify Jews by their last names. No Gilad you got the troll you deserve, a Jewish visual artist defending Jew hatred.

    BTW I was in Manhattan today at a reopened job site. Like Saigon before the fall. Crazy.

  76. @Gilad Atzmon

    It’s not the Jews who identify tribally in “ who is a Jew”. Jewish identity is solely the business of non Jews always was and always will be. Who are the Jewish Bolsheviks? Who are the Jewish bankers? Capitalist?
    Who were the Jewish slave traders? Who are the Jewish pedophiles?
    All Jews are identified as Jews by non Jews. The more important the person the bigger Jew he is. It’s mostly made up like when they find a grandparent. But we know what the point is.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  77. Derer says:
    @Fran Taubman

    “made up bullshit (about Jews) that you borrowed from Christian Jew hatred from the middle ages,”

    Ironically, your entire post is a made up bullshit. You consider American Christians so stupid that their antisemitism is adopted from some middle ages sentiments. I give you some contemporary hints Netanyahu holocaust in Palestine, bombing Syrian Christians; Jewish Wall street remains oasis while the rest of economy is in scorching “sand”; Jewish media dishonest and despicable misinformation – rise of alternative media; Jewish impeachment of elected president; and many more.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  78. RudyM says:

    As a Jewish person. . .

  79. @Colin Wright

    ‘‘I am not here to defend my tribe from bad numbers, or say that Jews are not responsible for bad things, or even horrible things. They are…’

    Here we go again.

    Really? You say Jews are responsible for bad things and horrible things?

    What are they?

    We will once again hear the sound of silence.

    Sigh. Still no answer.

  80. @Fran Taubman

    ‘Jewish identity is solely the business of non Jews always was and always will be. ‘

    ! What a fantastically deranged statement! It’s simply unconnected with reality.

    • Thanks: Fran Taubman
    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  81. @Colin Wright

    Do you consider the NY Times a Jewish owned newspaper? That is what I mean about who is a Jew. The Sulzbergers are 2 generations removed from Judaism. The current owner was raised Episcopalian.
    If I am so deranged keep me on your ignore list. Why engaged with a deranged person?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @anon
  82. frankie p says:
    @Fran Taubman

    “All these people are evil snakes. The human race is violent and cruel. Jews no more or less then others.”

    I’ll be reporting this anti-semitism to the ADL and Simon Wiesenthal Center. You said Jews are evil snakes. Expect to lose your job.

    Frankie P

  83. anon[310] • Disclaimer says:
    @JimmyCrackCorn

    the black Professor Dr. Tony Martin said jews owned 18 of 18 rum distilleries in colonial Boston and a meme posted on the Nation of Islam twitter feed claims they also owned 22 of 22 in Newport, Rhode Island, which was apparently the hub of the North American slave trade. if they owned the distilleries what are the odds they also owned the ships to transport the rum to Europe and West Africa? Those ships carried slaves on the return voyage.

    How does a group that is less than 2% of the population today and was probably even less back then come to have such a large role in the slave trade?

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  84. anon[310] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Yet Jew haters identity both of these families as Jewish.

    Everything else you right about Jewish identity is made up bullshit that you borrowed from Christian Jew hatred from the middle ages, that has now been revived by Islam. I would ask you Gilad who is a Jew? If someone has the last name of Greenberg, with a non Jewish mother and goes to a church to pray, is he a Jew? If he is wealthy he is considered a Jew by Jew haters.

    So who started Jewish Identity politics? Jew haters? Jews identify as Jews to fight Jew hatred.

    TRS Radio have recently played audio of a high-powered jewess, (probably Amy Spitalnick), from an online “Zoom” conference mentioning that they have instructed their shills to push the terms “jew hater” and “jew hatred” on various websites, forums, and chat rooms.

    its probably on this YouTube video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKSlO0RRkKQ&feature=youtu.be

    from National Justice article here: https://national-justice.com/national-justice-exclusive-zionist-groups-plan-multi-front-assault-free-speech-over-zoom

    decide for yourself what “Fran Taubman” is

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  85. @anon

    I used the word because I hate the word anti-Semitism, it is an inaccurate word and horrible over used. When I think of anti-Semitism, I think of Jews being kept out of a gulf club or other WASP societies. When I think of NOI I think Jew hatred.

    • Replies: @anon
  86. @anon

    Dr. Tony Martin said jews owned 18 of 18 rum distilleries in colonial Boston and a meme posted on the Nation of Islam twitter feed claims they also owned 22 of 22 in Newport,

    I googled this and could find nothing on the Rum distilleries, not saying it isn’t true. Jews were forbidden to own and farm land in Europe so they became merchants, Could you site sources regarding the Rum trade other then Marin?

    I know both the Kennedy’s and other Irish families were prominent whiskey distillers, especially during prohibition when it was illegal. The Italians dealt with alcohol, gambling and later on the Mafia controlled the drug traffic in the US and gambling in Las Vegas.

    Many people have disputed Tony Martin and the NOI, but it would not surprise me that Jews were involved in any mercantile trading. They were very dominant merchant traders during the Middle Ages along the Silk Road trading with Muslims form the ME to the Christians in the West. Big business, they gained a lot of skill sets.
    This on Slave trade from JVL, a Jewish source so naturally defensive about the accusation.

    Is it anti-Semitic to make this claim?
    Mainstream scholars and Jewish leaders generally see this claim as anti-Semitic. The Anti-Defamation League, the largest Jewish defense organization, on its website includes  “the false claim that Jews controlled the Atlantic slave trade” in its description of contemporary manifestations of anti-Semitism.
    As Yale’s Davis noted in his 1994 article, the claim is similar to numerous other historical efforts to blame Jews for a host of problems and atrocities.
    Jews, partly because of their remarkable success in a variety of hostile environments, have long been feared as the power behind otherwise inexplicable evils. For many centuries they were the only non-Christian minority in nations dedicated to the Christianization and thus the salvation of the world. Signifying an antithetical Other, individual Jews were homogenized and reified as a “race”—a race responsible for crucifying the Savior, for resisting the dissemination of God’s word, for manipulating kings and world markets, for drinking the blood of Christian children, and, in modern times, for spreading the evils of both capitalism and communistic revolution.
    According to Davis, much of the historical evidence that scholars have relied on to document Jewish involvement in the slave trade is itself anti-Semitic, “biased by deliberate Spanish efforts to blame Jewish refugees for fostering Dutch commercial expansion at the expense of Spain.”
    “Given this long history of conspiratorial fantasy and collective scapegoating, a selective search for Jewish slave traders becomes inherently anti-Semitic unless one keeps in view the larger context and the very marginal place of Jews in the history of the overall system,” he continued.

  87. @Fran Taubman

    ‘… Why engaged with a deranged person?’

    Because it’s fun?

    We’re not laughing with you, Fran. We’re laughing at you.

    It is kinda cruel, isn’t it?

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  88. Derer says:
    @Fran Taubman

    “All Jews are identified as Jews by non Jews.”

    What is derogatory about that? Get used to it, it is a common practice that minority groups are always identify. Palestinians are always identify in Israel. Boston marathon bombers were not identify as Jews because that would have been a lie. But Son of Sam was a Jewish serial killer identified correctly. Schiff is identified as a fanatical anti-Trump Jewish Congressman. What is wrong with that?

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  89. @Fran Taubman

    ‘… NOI says 75% of Jews owned slaves in 1840, when total number of Jewish families was 90, which means that about 60 Jewish families owned slaves…’

    so…back to that quantitative score on the GRE. What was it?

  90. @Derer

    What is derogatory about that? Get used to it, it is a common practice that minority groups are always identify. Palestinians are always identify in Israel

    That is a really good question and shows the false and phoniness of Jewish identity politics. Let me be more specific. Not all non Jews identify as Christians, and many people with Jewish surnames do not identify as Jews. As I mentioned before the current Salzberger and Rothschild children were raised by Christian mothers and Jewish fathers or sometimes grandfathers, and no longer identify as Jewish. Jew haters insist on identifying them as Jews who are behind the conspiracy by Jewish bankers and media to control the world.

    It is very hard to label Americans Jews if they do not identify themselves as Jewish. Very different European countries who label Jews separately form the country they reside in: French Jews, Italian Jews. America does not have a birth identity specific to the country. Zionist are another story as they promote their Jewish identity.

    Gilad’s supposed field is Jewish identity politics, where he has walled himself into a room with no exit. Today the left leaning pro Palestinians and Muslims who are pro immigration are not at the moment a popular political party. The current populist right and far right nationalist are gaining in power, rejecting completely pro immigration secular globalist. The Palestinian movement once a wildly popular cause celeb throughout Europe is out of fashion. Many have lost interest if not downright sick of the issue, as it has been popular for so long run by corrupt intransigent Islamist politicians.

    The ultimate irony and death nail of the current Jew haters using Jewish identity, is the support of Jews, Israel and Zionism by religious Christians. Religion is also becoming popular, rejecting secularism. No matter how much these Jew haters throw at the Jews with the label rejection of secularism and the left, yawning label of Israel being a genocidal apartheid Israel and Zionism, these Christians just yawn and do not bite on the claim. What is a Jew hater suppose to do if all the identity matrix they have set up fails? There is always the far right alternate claim that Jews are bringing about the destruction of Western civilian with their support of immigration, gay rights, feminism, and all things horrible like transgender rights. I for one think that is a harder sell then the genocidal apartheid label but it seems to work with the WN and Neo Nazis. All you have to do for these folks is have a Jewish last name and bingo !! You are bringing down Western Civilization.

    Jew hatred has been around for many a millennia and it has always failed as it is a delusional phony cause, that sees a phantom Jew in every corner, behind every crime. Jews killed Jesus and refused to accept him as god was behind Medieval Christian Jew hatred. The refusal to accept Mohammed as the final prophet (the seal of the prophet), is behind the current Islamic Jew hatred. The rest of the stereotyping is just window dressing for stupid people that cannot reconcile the cruelty and unfairness of life without blaming someone.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
    , @Derer
  91. @Fran Taubman

    ‘…Judaism is a religious dynasty where Jews can communicate directly to a divine super natural being without a middleman a prophet. That is the claim…’

    You’re aware Christians and Muslims think God hears their prayers as well?

    Or is it your experience that when you pray God talks back to you?

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  92. @Fran Taubman

    No matter how much these Jew haters throw at the Jews with the label rejection of secularism and the left, yawning label of Israel being a genocidal apartheid Israel and Zionism, these Christians just yawn and do not bite on the claim.

    Correction:

    No matter how much Jew haters throw at the Jews labeling Israel as a genocidal apartheid country and Zionism and Jews as people who torture and kill Palestinian babies, these pro Jewish Christians just yawn and reject the claim.

    sorry ran out of edit time.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  93. @Fran Taubman

    ‘…Judaism is a religious dynasty where Jews can communicate directly to a divine super natural being without a middleman a prophet. That is the claim…’

    You’re aware Christians and Muslims think God hears their prayers as well?

    Or is it your experience that when you pray God talks back to you? Hopefully not all Jews have that experience.

  94. anon[400] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Taubman

    i scanned some of your old posts, seems to be true Fran.

    btw whites or WASPS have the right to their own clubs

    • Agree: Fran Taubman
  95. anon[400] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Fran Taubman:

    Do you consider the NY Times a Jewish owned newspaper? That is what I mean about who is a Jew. The Sulzbergers are 2 generations removed from Judaism. The current owner was raised Episcopalian.

    here is your “Episcopalian”:

    “If White men were not complaining, it would be an indication we weren’t succeeding and making the inroads that we are.”

    — Arthur Ochs Sulzberger

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  96. @anon

    So those opinions are exclusive to Jews? He sounds like someone from BLM.

  97. @Colin Wright

    Do you strangle cats and bunnies for fun? Hang them by their tails? Were you a bed wetter? All signs of psychotic behavior.

  98. @Colin Wright

    God definitely talks back to me. The last time he spoke to he he told me to tell you. “Tell Colin to f**k off, and but Fran on your ignore list” I am watching”
    👽👽👽

  99. @Fran Taubman

    ‘Do you strangle cats and bunnies for fun? Hang them by their tails? Were you a bed wetter? All signs of psychotic behavior.’

    You’re a genuinely unpleasant person. I find it vaguely reassuring that this is common among Israel supporters.

    You keep pitching, Fran. You’re winning friends and influencing people.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  100. @Fran Taubman

    ‘No matter how much Jew haters throw at the Jews labeling Israel as a genocidal apartheid country and Zionism and Jews as people who torture and kill Palestinian babies, these pro Jewish Christians just yawn and reject the claim.’

    Actually, you’d be surprised.

    It’s amazing what happens to their support for Israel if you just expose them to the truth.

    You see, Fran, those Evangelicals aren’t very well informed, and indeed, it has to be admitted — they can be not very bright.

    But they are decent people. If you can just get a good grip on the scruff of their neck and firmly rub their snouts in what Israel is…well.

    After all, no decent human being could support such a monstrosity.

  101. @Colin Wright

    ‘… Why engaged with a deranged person?’

    Because it’s fun?

    We’re not laughing with you, Fran. We’re laughing at you.

    It is kinda cruel, isn’t it?


    You’re a genuinely unpleasant person. I find it vaguely reassuring that this is common among Israel supporters.

    I am genuinely unpleasant as opposed to someone who is disingenuously unpleasant? LOL.You find it vaguely reassuring as in not quite but almost reassuring.

    It’s fun. It’s kinda cruel, isn’t it.
    The person that writes a sentence like this is not genuinely unpleasant. Bragging about having fun being cruel to others is just sick.

    But I do love your attempt to move up from being a mover to a semi intellecuatl with vague and unpleasant results. Keep trying.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  102. Ephemeral says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Thanks for your comments Fran. Some very vocal types hold strong “the jews are at fault of everything” views. And yours are a welcome addition to the, let them be polite to all them too and call it, debate.

    Also, I am curious to the things you mentioned in relationship to the eternal being and judaism. Would you happen to know any easily accessible, yet deep, material expanding on the matter?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  103. @Fran Taubman

    ‘… But I do love your attempt to move up from being a mover to a semi intellecuatl with vague and unpleasant results. Keep trying.’

    Lol (really).

    Look; Fran’s trying to be intellectually superior.’ Good luck, half wit.

    You know, I’m from the West Coast — and gentile, to boot. Having done manual labor for a living is not something to be embarrassed about out here.

  104. @Ephemeral

    First post for ‘Ephemeral.’

    He’s seeking wisdom from Fran.

    This really is pretty pathetic. The post is even studded with Fran’s usual illiteraticisms.

    ‘Needs to do better.’ But don’t: you’re serving an evil cause.

    • Replies: @Ephemeral
  105. @Fran Taubman

    ‘Do you strangle cats and bunnies for fun? Hang them by their tails? Were you a bed wetter? All signs of psychotic behavior.’

    ? Rabbits don’t have much in the way of tails. It wouldn’t work.

    As to the bed wetting…that’s very hurtful, Fran. How did you guess?

    Or is that just that winning personality of yours shining through again, Fran? Got a whole lot of friends outside of your professional life?

    • Replies: @Wielgus
  106. Wielgus says:
    @Colin Wright

    Bed-wetting is evidence of psychotic behaviour? That’s a new one.

  107. Ephemeral says:
    @Colin Wright

    Colin,

    My total comment count < 10, yours is over 7800.
    But you're rude and is wasting a lot of time commenting. If you hate things about your life, then that's your personal problem. Some things you can change some you can't. But don't externalize things that you can change unto others. Or assume the world in any shape way or form owes you anything or is somehow unfair. And that if only you could prove something in the comments, the world magically turns heavenly for you. This truth holds for all and any of us.

    Or choose to believe in some belief system that justifies your actions, and carry on. But we get it you’ve made your point, so cool it with the personal.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  108. @Ephemeral

    The book that I would recommend as an intro is called: The Way of God

    by Moshe Chaim luzzatto

    It is about how to have a relationship with the divine one on one, with rituals. It is a mystical interpretation and gets more into particle physics then a man in the sky.

    Re: Colin.
    Yes he is a sadistic bully. Colin rarely engages with my ideas and seems to lack any ability to rationally see and understand an opposing view point. For whatever reason he becomes sadistic and attacks me personally in a quasi intellectual mode, pretending that he has a point and not seeing it for what it is, personal savagery. He also brags that he enjoys it. For a while I posted musical scores as replies.
    Colin has been following me around this site for years, hounding me, until recently he put me on his ignore list, which was a really sane thing to do. It also improved his posting with others. He can make some insightful points with others, not with me, with me he has something else going on hard to tell what it is but it is very personal. Maybe I remind him of an old girlfriend that rejected him. Hopefully he will return to ignoring me. Even Ron has mentioned the idiocy of his posts to me, as not representing rational thoughts or intellectual discourse.

    Recently he posted this.

    ‘… Why engaged with a deranged person?’

    Because it’s fun?

    We’re not laughing with you, Fran. We’re laughing at you.

    It is kinda cruel, isn’t it?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  109. Gilad, be baptized in the Orthodox Church. There are options in England. Ignore the heresy of the Latins. Many Jews in Russia were baptized, like Jacob Branfman from Minsk. He wrote a book about the heresies of Judaism. Then there was Noah Belfer from Kishinev who became a monk, Neophyte the Monk. Paul Fotiou was a rabbi in Greece who became Orthodox. Follow Saint Paul. If you become a Christian, be baptized only in the Orthodox Church. Forgot Marxism. Orthodoxy and the Tsar-Martyr. Read Prophet Malachi. Yeshua ha-Moshiah is in every page of Tanakh. He was Melchizedek:

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    2:17 You have wearied the Lord with your words, and you said: Wherein have we wearied him? In that you say: Every one that doth evil, is good in the sight of the Lord, and such please him: or surely where is the God of judgment?

    3:1 Behold I send my angel, and he shall prepare the way before my face. And presently the Lord, whom you seek, and the angel of the testament, whom you desire, shall come to his temple. Behold he cometh, saith the Lord of hosts.

    3:2 And who shall be able to think of the day of his coming? and who shall stand to see him? for he is like a refining fire, and like the fuller’s herb:

    3:3 And he shall sit refining and cleansing the silver, and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and shall refine them as gold, and as silver, and they shall offer sacrifices to the Lord in justice.

    3:4 And the sacrifice of Juda and of Jerusalem shall please the Lord, as in the days of old, and in the ancient years.

    3:5 And I will come to you in judgment, and will be a speedy witness against sorcerers, and adulterers, and false swearers, and them that oppress the hireling in his wages; the widows, and the fatherless: and oppress the stranger, and have not feared me, saith the Lord of hosts.

    3:6 For I am the Lord, and I change not: and you the sons of Jacob are not consumed.

    3:7 For from the days of your fathers you have departed from my ordinances, and have not kept them: Return to me, and I will return to you, saith the Lord of hosts. And you have said: Wherein shall we return?

    3:8 Shall a man afflict God? for you afflict me. And you have said: Wherein do we afflict thee? in tithes and in firstfruits.

    3:9 And you are cursed with want, and you afflict me, even the whole nation of you.

    3:10 Bring all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in my house, and try me in this, saith the Lord: if I open not unto you the flood-gates of heaven, and pour you out a blessing even to abundance.

    3:11 And I will rebuke for your sakes the devourer, and he shall not spoil the fruit of your land: neither shall the vine in the field be barren, saith the Lord of hosts.

    3:12 And all nations shall call you blessed: for you shall be a delightful land, saith the Lord of hosts.

  110. @Fran Taubman

    ‘Re: Colin.
    Yes he is a sadistic bully. Colin rarely engages with my ideas…’

    A laugh a day. Fran complains to her imaginary friend about Colin.

    Fran, please choose. You can insult and abuse people all you like, or you can complain when they do the same to you — but don’t pursue both courses of action simultaneously.

  111. Follow Saint Paul. Be baptized in the Orthodox Church and follow Christ. Don’t be a Marcionite. The true Christianity is not in Catholic or Protestant heresies. It is in the “Orthodox” Church which means “Right Worship.” Many Jews were baptized. Join us Gilad. Stop wandering the wilderness of the pagan heresies:

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    28:16 And when we were come to Rome, Paul was suffered to dwell by himself, with a soldier that kept him.

    28:17 And after the third day, he called together the chief of the Jews. And when they were assembled, he said to them: Men, brethren, I, having done nothing against the people, or the custom of our fathers, was delivered prisoner from Jerusalem into the hands of the Romans;

    28:18 Who, when they had examined me, would have released me, for that there was no cause of death in me;

    28:19 But the Jews contradicting it, I was constrained to appeal unto Caesar; not that I had any thing to accuse my nation of.

    28:20 For this cause therefore I desired to see you, and to speak to you. Because that for the hope of Israel, I am bound with this chain.

    28:21 But they said to him: We neither received letters concerning thee from Judea, neither did any of the brethren that came hither, relate or speak any evil of thee.

    28:22 But we desire to hear of thee what thou thinkest; for as concerning this sect, we know that it is every where contradicted.

    28:23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came very many to him unto his lodgings; to whom he expounded, testifying the kingdom of God, and persuading them concerning Jesus, out of the law of Moses and the prophets, from morning until evening.

    28:24 And some believed the things that were said; but some believed not.

    28:25 And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, Paul speaking this one word: Well did the Holy Ghost speak to our fathers by Isaias the prophet,

    28:26 Saying: Go to this people, and say to them: With the ear you shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing you shall see, and shall not perceive.

    28:27 For the heart of this people is grown gross, and with their ears have they heard heavily, and their eyes they have shut; lest perhaps they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

    28:28 Be it known therefore to you, that this salvation of God is sent to the Gentiles, and they will hear it.

    28:29 And when he had said these things, the Jews went out from him, having much reasoning among themselves.

    28:30 And he remained two whole years in his own hired lodging; and he received all that came in to him,

    28:31 Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching the things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, without prohibition.

  112. The Martyrdom of Saint Stephen, also a Jew, from the Acts of the Apostles. And Saul of Tarsus persecuted the Christians but then Saul saw the Risen Lord on the road to Damascus and was baptized. This is Christianity 101 but for some reason Laurent Guyenot and other Neo-gnostics seem to be unaware:

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    :5 And the saying was liked by all the multitude. And they chose Stephen, a man full of faith, and of the Holy Ghost, and Philip, and Prochorus, and Nicanor, and Timon, and Parmenas, and Nicolas, a proselyte of Antioch.

    6:6 These they set before the apostles; and they praying, imposed hands upon them.

    6:7 And the word of the Lord increased; and the number of the disciples was multiplied in Jerusalem exceedingly: a great multitude also of the priests obeyed the faith.

    6:8 And Stephen, full of grace and fortitude, did great wonders and signs among the people.

    6:9 Now there arose some of that which is called the synagogue of the Libertines, and of the Cyrenians, and of the Alexandrians, and of them that were of Cilicia and Asia, disputing with Stephen.

    6:10 And they were not able to resist the wisdom and the spirit that spoke.

    6:11 Then they suborned men to say, they had heard him speak words of blasphemy against Moses and against God.

    6:12 And they stirred up the people, and the ancients, and the scribes; and running together, they took him, and brought him to the council.

    6:13 And they set up false witnesses, who said: This man ceaseth not to speak words against the holy place and the law.

    6:14 For we have heard him say, that this Jesus of Nazareth shall destroy this place, and shall change the traditions which Moses delivered unto us.

    6:15 And all that sat in the council, looking on him, saw his face as if it had been the face of an angel.

    7:1 THEN the high priest said: Are these things so?

    7:2 Who said: Ye men, brethren, and fathers, hear. The God of glory appeared to our father Abraham, when he was in Mesopotamia, before he dwelt in Charan.

    7:3 And said to him: Go forth out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and come into the land which I shall shew thee.

    7:4 Then he went out of the land of the Chaldeans, and dwelt in Charan. And from thence, after his father was dead, he removed him into this land, wherein you now dwell.

    7:5 And he gave him no inheritance in it; no, not the pace of a foot: but he promised to give it him in possession, and to his seed after him, when as yet he had no child.

    7:6 And God said to him: That his seed should sojourn in a strange country, and that they should bring them under bondage, and treat them evil four hundred years.

    7:7 And the nation which they shall serve will I judge, said the Lord; and after these things they shall go out, and shall serve me in this place.

    7:8 And he gave him the covenant of circumcision, and so he begot Isaac, and circumcised him the eighth day; and Isaac begot Jacob; and Jacob the twelve patriarchs.

    7:9 And the patriarchs, through envy, sold Joseph into Egypt; and God was with him,

    7:10 And delivered him out of all his tribulations: and he gave him favour and wisdom in the sight of Pharao, the king of Egypt; and he appointed him governor over Egypt, and over all his house.

    7:11 Now there came a famine upon all Egypt and Chanaan, and great tribulation; and our fathers found no food.

    7:12 But when Jacob had heard that there was corn in Egypt, he sent our fathers first:

    7:13 And at the second time, Joseph was known by his brethren, and his kindred was made known to Pharao.

    7:14 And Joseph sending, called thither Jacob, his father, and all his kindred, seventy-five souls.

    7:15 So Jacob went down into Egypt; and he died, and our fathers.

    7:16 And they were translated into Sichem, and were laid in the sepulchre, that Abraham bought for a sum of money of the sons of Hemor, the son of Sichem.

    7:17 And when the time of the promise drew near, which God had promised to Abraham, the people increased, and were multiplied in Egypt,

    7:18 Till another king arose in Egypt, who knew not Joseph.

    7:19 This same dealing craftily with our race, afflicted our fathers, that they should expose their children, to the end they might not be kept alive.

    7:20 At the same time was Moses born, and he was acceptable to God: who was nourished three months in his father’s house.

    7:21 And when he was exposed, Pharao’s daughter took him up, and nourished him for her own son.

    7:22 And Moses was instructed in all the wisdom of the Egyptians; and he was mighty in his words and in his deeds.

    7:23 And when he was full forty years old, it came into his heart to visit his brethren, the children of Israel.

    7:24 And when he had seen one of them suffer wrong, he defended him; and striking the Egyptian, he avenged him who suffered the injury.

    7:25 And he thought that his brethren understood that God by his hand would save them; but they understood it not.

    7:26 And the day following, he shewed himself to them when they were at strife; and would have reconciled them in peace, saying: Men, ye are brethren; why hurt you one another?

    7:27 But he that did the injury to his neighbour thrust him away, saying: Who hath appointed thee prince and judge over us?

    7:28 What, wilt thou kill me, as thou didst yesterday kill the Egyptian?

    7:29 And Moses fled upon this word, and was a stranger in the land of Madian, where he begot two sons.

    7:30 And when forty years were expired, there appeared to him in the desert of mount Sina, an angel in a flame of fire in a bush.

    7:31 And Moses seeing it, wondered at the sight. And as he drew near to view it, the voice of the Lord came unto him, saying:

    7:32 I am the God of thy fathers; the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses being terrified, durst not behold.

    7:33 And the Lord said to him: Loose the shoes from thy feet, for the place wherein thou standest, is holy ground.

    7:34 Seeing I have seen the affliction of my people which is in Egypt, and I have heard their groaning, and am come down to deliver them. And now come, and I will send thee into Egypt.

    7:35 This Moses, whom they refused, saying: Who hath appointed thee prince and judge? him God sent to be prince and redeemer by the hand of the angel who appeared to him in the bush.

    7:36 He brought them out, doing wonders and signs in the land of Egypt, and in the Red Sea, and in the desert forty years.

    7:37 This is that Moses who said to the children of Israel: A prophet shall God raise up to you of your own brethren, as myself: him shall you hear.

    7:38 This is he that was in the church in the wilderness, with the angel who spoke to him on mount Sina, and with our fathers; who received the words of life to give unto us.

    7:39 Whom our fathers would not obey; but thrust him away, and in their hearts turned back into Egypt,

    7:40 Saying to Aaron: Make us gods to go before us. For as for this Moses, who brought us out of the land of Egypt, we know not what is become of him.

    7:41 And they made a calf in those days, and offered sacrifices to the idol, and rejoiced in the works of their own hands.

    7:42 And God turned, and gave them up to serve the host of heaven, as it is written in the books of the prophets: Did you offer victims and sacrifices to me for forty years, in the desert, O house of Israel?

    7:43 And you took unto you the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Rempham, figures which you made to adore them. And I will carry you away beyond Babylon.

    7:44 The tabernacle of the testimony was with our fathers in the desert, as God ordained for them, speaking to Moses, that he should make it according to the form which he had seen.

    7:45 Which also our fathers receiving, brought in with Jesus, into the possession of the Gentiles, whom God drove out before the face of our fathers, unto the days of David.

    7:46 Who found grace before God, and desired to find a tabernacle for the God of Jacob.

    7:47 But Solomon built him a house.

    7:48 Yet the most High dwelleth not in houses made by hands, as the prophet saith:

    7:49 Heaven is my throne, and the earth my footstool. What house will you build me? saith the Lord; or what is the place of my resting?

    7:50 Hath not my hand made all these things?

    7:51 You stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, you always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do you also.

    7:52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? And they have slain them who foretold of the coming of the Just One; of whom you have been now the betrayers and murderers:

    7:53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.

    7:54 Now hearing these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed with their teeth at him.

    7:55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looking up steadfastly to heaven, saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God. And he said: Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

    7:56 And they crying out with a loud voice, stopped their ears, and with one accord ran violently upon him.

    7:57 And casting him forth without the city, they stoned him; and the witnesses laid down their garments at the feet of a young man, whose name was Saul.

    7:58 And they stoned Stephen, invoking, and saying: Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.

    7:59 And falling on his knees, he cried with a loud voice, saying: Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep in the Lord. And Saul was consenting to his death.

    8:1 AND at that time there was raised a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all dispersed through the countries of Judea, and Samaria, except the apostles.

  113. Derer says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Fran, I respect your sentiments, however your assertion that only whites identified Jews as Jews is not entirely correct.

    “It is very hard to label Americans Jews if they do not identify themselves as Jewish.”

    It is well known phenomenon that Jewish fraction of European immigrants to USA from any European country always identify themselves as being Jews and not Poles or Hungarians etc. It is quite insulting when, for instance, former neighbors in Europe are now not Poles or Germans but Jews. Kirk Douglas or 90% of Hollywood never mentioned that he is originally of Polish descent but Jewish.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  114. @Derer

    I agree with you, many identify as Jews. I identify as a Jew, but many do not. If a person who’s grandfather was Jewish but no longer identifies as a Jew and owns a media empire, non Jewish Jew haters consider him a forever Jew and his children as well, even if he changes his name. Polish Jews were never considered Polish by the Polish government. That is the problem with Jewish identity from Europe, Jews were never allowed to be identified as the country they were born in even if it was second or third generation with the exception of all places Germany and most German Jews considered themselves German before being Jewish. But pre war European passports identified Polish and other nationals as Jews as Jews not Poles.
    There were restrictions on professions Jews could enter. Jews were not allowed to own land and farm. They could not be policemen, or postal workers, or entire many craft oriented fields, or enter government. That is why there exist an over representation of Jews in finance and merchants.
    It is a very complicated subject, but many non Jews use Jewish identity for malicious and fake reasons, to blame certain circumstances on Jews.

  115. @Fran Taubman

    ‘…Jews were never allowed to be identified as the country they were born in even if it was second or third generation with the exception of all places Germany and most German Jews considered themselves German before being Jewish. But pre war European passports identified Polish and other nationals as Jews as Jews not Poles…’

    This is, of course, not quite true. Hungarian Jews even identified themselves as ‘Magyars of the Mosaic faith.’ Then of course in the Soviet Union, Jews were seen as the most Soviet of the Soviet — certainly more Soviet than, say, the Ukrainian peasantry.

    Even where it is true — as in Poland — the fact needs to be taken in context. Most Jews living in Poland didn’t even speak Polish, but Yiddish. Why should they have been considered Poles? If you started posting in Yiddish, would it be reasonable for you to insist we regard you as American?

    ‘There were restrictions on professions Jews could enter. Jews were not allowed to own land and farm. They could not be policemen, or postal workers, or entire many craft oriented fields, or enter government. That is why there exist an over representation of Jews in finance and merchants.’

    That — to put it mildly — is also not true. Certainly by the interwar era there were no ethnic restrictions on land ownership, and earlier, far from barring Jews from farming, the Tsars had tried to force Jews to settle on the land and cultivate it.

    They wouldn’t do it.

    When the opportunity arose, it transpired that Jews didn’t want to be farmers. So don’t try to pretend they only failed to farm because they couldn’t.

  116. @Fran Taubman

    ‘I agree with you, many identify as Jews. I identify as a Jew, but many do not. If a person who’s grandfather was Jewish but no longer identifies as a Jew and owns a media empire, non Jewish Jew haters consider him a forever Jew and his children as well, even if he changes his name…’

    You do this as well. Consider your almost obsessive interest in arguing with Gilad Atzmon. Out of your last fifty posts, I count forty six as having been made in response to Gilad.

    Rather obviously, it’s because however he chooses to identify himself, you nevertheless persist in regarding him as a Jew, and hence, in need of being chivvied back into line. If Atzmon was named ‘Petersen,’ you wouldn’t give a fig what he posted.

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