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In my 2011 book, The Wandering Who, I elaborated on the possible disastrous scenario in which Israel is the nucleus of a global escalation over Iran’s emerging nuclear capabilities. I concluded that Israel’s PRE Traumatic Stress Syndrome (PRE-TSS) would be central to such a development. “The Jewish state and the Jewish discourse in general are completely foreign to the notion of temporality. Israel is blinded to the consequences of its actions, it only thinks of its actions in terms of short-term pragmatism. Instead of temporality, Israel thinks in terms of an extended present.”

In 2011 Israel was still confident in its military might, certain that with the help of America or at least its support, it could deliver a mortal military blow to Iran. But this confidence has diminished, replaced by an existential anxiety that might well be warranted. For the last few months, Israeli military analysts have had to come to terms with Iran’s spectacular strategic and technological abilities. The recent attack on a Saudi oil facility delivered a clear message to the world, and in particular to Israel, that Iran is far ahead of Israel and the West. The sanctions were counter effective: Iran independently developed its own technology.

Former Israeli ambassador to the US, and prolific historian, Michael Oren, repeated my 2011 predictions this week in the Atlantic and described a horrific scenario for the next, and likely last, Israeli conflict.

Oren understands that a minor Israeli miscalculation could lead to total war, one in which missiles and drones of all types would rain down on Israel, overwhelm its defences and leave Israeli cities, its economy and its security in ruins.

Oren gives a detailed account of how a conflict between Israel and Iran could rapidly descend into a massive “conflagration” that would devastate Israel as well as its neighbours.

In Israel, the term “The War Between the Wars,” refers to the targeted covert inter-war campaign waged by the Jewish State with the purpose of postponing, while still preparing for, the next confrontation, presumably with Iran. In the last few years Israel has carried out hundreds of ‘war between the wars’ strikes against Iran-linked targets in Lebanon, Syria and Iraq. Oren speculates that a single miscalculation could easily lead to retaliation by Iran. “Israel is girding for the worst and acting on the assumption that fighting could break out at any time. And it’s not hard to imagine how it might arrive. The conflagration, like so many in the Middle East, could be ignited by a single spark.”

Until now, Iran has restrained itself despite constant aggression from Israel, but this could easily change. “The result could be a counterstrike by Iran, using cruise missiles that penetrate Israel’s air defenses and smash into targets like the Kiryah, Tel Aviv’s equivalent of the Pentagon. Israel would retaliate massively against Hezbollah’s headquarters in Beirut as well as dozens of its emplacements along the Lebanese border. And then, after a day of large-scale exchanges, the real war would begin…”

Oren predicts that rockets would “rain on Israel” at a rate as high as 4,000 a day. The Iron Dome system would be overwhelmed by the vast simultaneous attacks against civilian and military targets throughout the country. And, as if this weren’t devastating enough, Israel is totally unprepared to deal with precision-guided missiles that can accurately hit targets all across Israel from 1000 miles away.

Ben Gurion International Airport would be shut down and air traffic over Israel closed. The same could happen to Israel’s ports. Israelis that would seek refuge in far away lands would have to swim to safety .

In this scenario, Palestinians and Lebanese militias might join the conflagration and attack Jewish border communities on the ground while long-range missiles from Syria, Iraq, Yemen and Iran land. Before long, Israel’s economy would cease to function, electrical grids severed and damaged factories and refineries would spew toxic chemicals into the air.

In the Shoah scenario Oren describes, “Millions of Israelis would huddle in bomb shelters. Hundreds of thousands would be evacuated from the border areas as terrorists attempt to infiltrate them. Restaurants and hotels would empty, along with the offices of the high-tech companies of the start-up nation. The hospitals, many of them resorting to underground facilities, would quickly be overwhelmed, even before the skies darken with the toxic fumes of blazing chemical factories and oil refineries.”

Oren predicts that Israel’s harsh response to attack, including a violent put down of likely West Bank and Gaza protests, would result in large scale civilian casualties and draw charges of war crimes.

As Oren states, he did not invent this prediction, it is one of the similar scenarios anticipated by Israeli military and government officials.

If such events occur, the US will be vital to the survival of the Jewish State by providing munitions, diplomatic, political, and legal support, and after the war, in negotiating truces, withdrawals, prisoner exchanges and presumably ‘peace agreements.’ However, the US under the Trump administration is somewhat unpredictable, especially in light of the current impeachment proceedings against Trump.

In 1973 the US helped save Israel by providing its military with the necessary munitions. Will the US do so again? Do the Americans have the weapons capability to counter Iran’s ballistics, precision missiles and drones? More crucially, what kind of support could America provide that would lift the spirits of humiliated and exhausted Israelis after they emerge from underground shelters having enduring four weeks without electricity or food and see their cities completely shattered?

This leads us to the essential issue. Zionism vowed to emancipate the Jews from their destiny by liberating the Jews from themselves. It vowed to bring an end to Jewish self-destruction by creating a Jewish safe haven. How is it that just seven decades after the founding of the Jewish state, the people who have suffered throughout their history have once again managed to create the potential for their own disaster?

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In The Wandering Who I provide a possible answer: “Grasping the notion of temporality is the ability to accept that the past is shaped and revised in the light of a search for meaning. History, and historical thinking, are the capacity to rethink the past and the future.” Accordingly, revisionism is the true essence of historical thinking. It turns the past into a moral message, it turns the moral into an ethical act. Sadly this is exactly where the Jewish State is severely lacking. Despite the Zionist promise to introduce introspection, morality and universal thinking to the emerging Hebrew culture, the Jewish State has failed to break away from the Jewish past because it doesn’t really grasp the notion of the ‘past’ as a dynamic elastic ethical substance.

(Republished from Gilad Atzmon by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. A123 says:

    Everyone understands that a minor Iranian miscalculation could lead to total war. One in which nuclear bombs would rain down on Iran leaving its cities, economy, and security in ruins.

    The sociopath, Ayatollah Khameni is detached from reality and may be willing to take such risks. However, there is no reason to believe that The Iranian military or civilian population will embrace certain suicide. It is quite likely that the IRGC would decide that it is time for another revolution and end the theocracy, rather than die following the dubious commands of a deranged Ayatollah.
    ____

    The whole theory about a prolonged conflict falls apart once accurate facts are applied to the situation. Iranian al’Hezbollah has large numbers of Katyusha pattern rockets, but very few precision weapons. And to provide human shields for these weapons, almost all of them are in a limited number of urban centers.

    The facts are clear, even if Gilad chooses to ignore them in favor of his personal fantasies. Iranian al’Hezbollah would lose badly in a total forces engagement. The nuclear incineration of their rear echelons would leave forward forces totally defenseless against overwhelming Israeli air superiority.

    — Would there be Israeli civilian casulities? Certainly.
    — Would Lebanon become uninhabitable? Yes.
    — Would Ayatollah Khameni perish when Israeli nukes Tehran? Absolutely.
    ______

    There is no possible scenario where Iran “wins” if they launch a substantial first strike. And, the Iranian military understands this as fact.

    PEACE 😇

  2. @A123

    It is really fun when Gilad gets off Epstein and rape stuff and ventures into wars and Israeli security. The generals have kept Gilad up to date on the latest and the greatest.
    He is so out to lunch in his desire to see Israel panic and loose the next war facing horrible casualties because it makes his point about how the Jews are doomed unless they cease being Jews.

    He really believes that he can solve the problem and change our destiny if we all read “Wondering
    Who”

    In The Wandering Who I provide a possible answer: “Grasping the notion of temporality is the ability to accept that the past is shaped and revised in the light of a search for meaning. History, and historical thinking, are the capacity to rethink the past and the future.” Accordingly, revisionism is the true essence of historical thinking. It turns the past into a moral message, it turns the moral into an ethical act. Sadly this is exactly where the Jewish State is severely lacking. Despite the Zionist promise to introduce introspection, morality and universal thinking to the emerging Hebrew culture, the Jewish State has failed to break away from the Jewish past because it doesn’t really grasp the notion of the ‘past’ as a dynamic elastic ethical substance.

    I wonder what it is like to wish death and destruction on a people and a country to prove your point and call yourself an unemotional Athenian.

    No Jews in the headline another slow thread.

  3. @A123

    As you may have noticed, in the Israeli apocalyptic scenarios the Jewish state doesn’t put into play the Samson option.. it is slightly less genocidal than yourself .. you may want to ask yourself why …

    • Replies: @A123
    , @follyofwar
    , @Svigor
    , @Benson
  4. Angharad says:

    I hope Iran nukes Israhell, and obliterates that disgusting cesspool, with every lying, thieving, miserable, raping, murdering depraved kosher insect there-in.

    • Agree: Dannyboy
  5. @Fran Taubman

    Be assured Fran that I do not try to save you or interfere with your destiny..I am a philosopher rather than an activist.. I refine questions instead of recycling answers …

    • Agree: Robert Dolan
    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  6. AaronB says:

    Wow, scary stuff Gilad. I’m so scared I’m moving back to Israel next fall 🙂 Three of my friends are also coming.

    I’ll let you know how it all works out, dude. I expect it be a grand adventure.

    But I have to say I do enjoy apocalyptic scenarios, they’re a ton of fun. That’s why I’ve always liked zombie movies. The world comes crashing down…

    My favourite Jewish holiday, Succot, has us living for a week in a small hut with thatched roofing through which you must be able to see the stars – the idea is to show that our seemingly permanent dwellings and stable lives are an illusion. Its a back to simplicity, nature, and impermanece kind of holiday. Very cool.

    Oh, and I do appreciate the wish fulfilment fantasy element in your apocalypse scenario, and do not begrudge you it – that’s half the fun, I get it 🙂

    You old anti-Semite and scoundrel, you. I’m beginning to feel a certain affection for you.

    • LOL: TKK
    • Troll: Truth3
  7. @A123

    Would such a Holy Man as Eye-a-Trolla Khamenei (Poo-Bear Poobah) even deign to set foot in the degenerate cesspool that is Tehran (giving Bangkok a serious run for their money in the sheboy department)? Alas nein, for he is truly a Man of Mashhad!

  8. A123 says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    the Jewish state doesn’t put into play the Samson option

    What wacky conspiracy theory is the “Samson Option”?

    Please provide objective evidence that such a plot exists.
    ____

    Here is a question for you, given Ayatollah Khamani’s statements about the “Zionist Entity”

    If he is confident of victory why hasn’t he acted on his stated goal of genocidal extermination?
    Could it be that the Iranian military will not obey?

    PEACE 😇

  9. Israel is making a terrible mistake. The oft touted “Sampson Option” is a bogus option as Bibi, Benny Gatz and/or any other Israeli leader knows it will be suicide if they use this option. Because even if they emerge from the bunkers days later after using nuclear bombs against Iran, Syria, Lebanon and other European capitals (Samson option targets Europe) they will be greeted with hostility and will have no sanctuary.

    Three times in world history the Jews were rescued by the Persians.
    Believe it or not.

    • Agree: Ash Williams
  10. Miro23 says:

    However, the US under the Trump administration is somewhat unpredictable, especially in light of the current impeachment proceedings against Trump.

    Not at all unpredictable with regards to Israel. Trump and Congress would use the last cent of US taxpayer’s money and the last drop of Anglo blood to save the place. Trump is Israel’s US Viceroy and Congress is its Colonial Parliament.

    Israel’s real nightmare starts when US nationalists toss out the colonialists, and Israel has to find a way live on its own resources.

  11. Sulu says:

    I have to think that considering the failure of military intelligence agencies in the past that no one has any real idea how close Iran is to getting the bomb. But even if they get numbers of them and have a means to deliver them on target it simply would mean that Iran and Israel are in a standoff. I can understand how Israel would not want Iran to have the bomb but in reality how much difference would it make? It would only be relevant if the two countries had already blundered into war and things were entering a final disastrous stage. Then it would simply mean both countries would be destroyed instead of just one.
    Also, not being a military man am I naive in thinking Iran might be able to buy nuclear weapons on the black market? From North Korea, perhaps? I have got to suspect Israel will be faced with two options. Either fight Iran sooner, before they get nukes. Or they will simply have to accept that Iran is going to be a nuclear power. It’s pretty obvious that Israel has been trying to get America to fight their war for them. But Trump has been reluctant to do so. No wonder the Jews are chomping at the bit to find some way to get rid of him. 2020 should prove to be an interesting year.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  12. anonymous[224] • Disclaimer says:

    As far as I know half of the Israelis have some kind of second passport. Just in case. So in this case, I guess, hordes of exasperated Jews coming to Europe and the US will become a big surprise to these new friends of Gilad, such as Angharad. Better for her to hope this never happens. Better for her to run somewhere far, if it does.

    • Replies: @melpol
  13. Tom Verso says:

    This analysis leaves out two very significant historic military facts:

    1) The 2006 Israeli invasion of Lebanon aka the “33 Day War” where in:

    “Hezbollah inflicted more Israeli casualties per Arab fighter in 2006 than did any of Israel’s state opponents in the 1956, 1967, 1973, or 1982 Arab-Israeli interstate wars, and is generally acknowledge that Israel flat out lost that war and de facto sued for a cease fire.

    (see: “U.S. Department of Defense. The 2006 Lebanon Campaign and the Future of Warfare: Implications for Army and Defense Policy.” Kindle Edition.)

    2) The Syrian army is currently the only army in the world that has multi-front, contiguous multi-year ‘combined arms’ (i.e. army, armor, artillery and air force) combat experience .

    Further, the leader of Hezbollah Hassan Nasrallah in a recent interview pointed out that Hezbollah fighting along side of the Syrian Army these past five years, now has experience in offensive warfare. In 2006 they fought strictly defensively.

    In short, if an Israeli war comes again, given the experience of the Syrian and Hezbollah armies and Syria acquiring state of the art air defense system (S 300, etc), Iranian missiles may very well be the least of Israel’s worries.

    Indeed, before Iran launches missiles, Hezbollah and Syria may move to take back Shebaa Farms and Golan Heights.

    To my mind: Israel and American militaries are “paper Tigers”. Israel has never fought a combined arms war for a sustained period of time against an equally matched military. And the US not since Korea. Their victories have always been overwhelming an inferior force.

    • Agree: Iris, BlackDragon
  14. An interesting article, especially the notion of perceived time. Emotional volatility versus long term outcomes.

  15. @AaronB

    For me the fact that the Jewish state indulges itself in apocalyptic and genocidal fantasies is really a glimpse into to tribal mind.. as far as I can tell this pre traumatic stress points at severe form of projection .. Israeli politicians and commentators attribute their own symptoms to their neighbours ..

    • Agree: Kiel, chris, Druid, HEREDOT
    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
    , @AaronB
    , @S
  16. @A123

    I wish it was a conspiracy and Dimona was a chocolate factory ..

    • Replies: @A123
  17. @Miro23

    This is what you may think but Israel doesn’t trust Trump on Iran and for a reason …

    • Replies: @George 2
  18. ‘…Despite the Zionist promise to introduce introspection, morality and universal thinking to the emerging Hebrew culture, the Jewish State has failed to break away from the Jewish past because it doesn’t really grasp the notion of the ‘past’ as a dynamic elastic ethical substance.’

    I can’t figure out what this means. Perhaps an example would be illuminating.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @Ted Heath
  19. @AaronB

    ‘Wow, scary stuff Gilad. I’m so scared I’m moving back to Israel next fall 🙂 Three of my friends are also coming…’

    Every cloud has a silver lining.

    …but you’re going to be just like all those people who were going to move to Canada if Trump won. You won’t go. Still less will you go if Israel is actually in peril.

    • Replies: @Not Raul
  20. @Rev. Spooner

    ‘… Three times in world history the Jews were rescued by the Persians.
    Believe it or not.’

    The Persians more or less created ‘the Jews.’ At any rate, a religion recognizable as Judaism first appeared in the wake of the Persian conquests.

    However, when did the Persians ‘rescue’ the Jews?

    They allowed the creation of an autonomous Jewish state in Palestine when they overran that place around the beginning of the seventh century AD — but that only lasted for about twenty years anyway.

    So what are the three times?

    • Replies: @Pheasant
  21. A123 says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    I wish it was a conspiracy and Dimona was a chocolate factory ..

    Would you please try to answer the question:

    — What wacky conspiracy theory is the “Samson Option”?

    I am familiar with most of the absurd fictions that Jihadis spin about Jews to distract from their war crimes. But, this is a new one to me.

    PEACE 😇

  22. @Gilad Atzmon

    How can you write this;

    or me the fact that the Jewish state indulges itself in apocalyptic and genocidal fantasies is really a glimpse into to tribal mind.. as far as I can tell this pre traumatic stress points at severe form of projection ..

    I first of all do not know what you mean but I think of apocalyptic and genocidal in one sentence I do not think of the tribe, talmud or Israel, I think Islam. They think nothing of self sacrifice in an apocalyptic vision in Shia Islam as it will lead to the emergence of their Madi.

  23. Tom Verso says:
    @A123

    If I may: I don’t know for sure what G Atzmon meant by the Samson Option; but, I have come across this express before and I took it to mean that Israel will go to nuclear war even if means the destruction of the Jewish State. That is, like Samson who destroyed his enemies by killing himself; Israel nuec’s Iran and Iran nuce’s Israel (kills enemies and itself).

    This should not be taken lightly. While it would be totally irrational for most states to take the Samson Option, it is to my mind a plausible option for Israel. For even if the Jewish State is destroyed, the Jewish Nation i.e. the Jewish people around the world will survive and continue on as they have these thousands of years. But, they will be free of what they perceive as their arch enemy i.e. Iran and other Moslems. They survived the metaphoric Holocaust and they will survive a literal one. The Jewish State may be destroyed but not the Jewish People.

  24. Altai [AKA "Altai_3"] says:

    This is something not enough people comment on. Israel’s military is not a mini US military, it has serious problems and takes losses and casualties in contexts that would be shocking for another Western country that spends as much per capita for it’s military.

    This is why Israel having nuclear weapons irks me so much, the more it can’t rely on it’s conventional military, the more they’ll lean into their nuclear deterrent, increasing the probability of it’s use. (Not dissimilar to the situation with Pakistan vis-a-vis India, though in that case, India has nukes too)

    • Replies: @Not Raul
  25. @Sulu

    Many people not just the Israelis, see Iran and the Mullahs (not the people) as apocalyptic, that they would self sacrifice to get rid of the Jews.
    They also have a real desire to see their lost Madi. Shia Islam has a lot of finite stuff about it’s faith. The Sunis are frightened of an nuclear armed Shia nation.
    If you study it, can be pretty scary. It is not just Israel. Also who wants another North Korea blackmail game?

  26. Adrian says:
    @Tom Verso

    The Samson Option
    The Samson Option.jpg
    Author Seymour Hersh
    Country United States
    Language English
    Genre Non-fiction
    Publisher Random House
    Publication date
    1991
    Media type Print (Hardback)
    Pages 362 pp
    ISBN 0-394-57006-5
    OCLC 24609770
    Dewey Decimal
    355.8/25119/095694 20
    LC Class UA853.I8 H47 1991
    The Samson Option: Israel’s Nuclear Arsenal and American Foreign Policy is a 1991 book by Seymour Hersh. It details the history of Israel’s nuclear weapons program and its effects on Israel-American relations. The “Samson Option” of the book’s title refers to the nuclear strategy whereby Israel would launch a massive nuclear retaliatory strike if the state itself was being overrun, just as the Biblical figure Samson is said to have pushed apart the pillars of a Philistine temple, bringing down the roof and killing himself and thousands of Philistines who had gathered to see him humiliated.

    According to The New York Times, Hersh relied on Ari Ben-Menashe, a former Israeli government employee who says he worked for Israeli intelligence, for much of his information on the state of the Israeli nuclear program. However, Hersh confirmed all of this information with at least one other source.[1] Hersh did not travel to Israel to conduct interviews for the book, believing that he might have been subject to the Israeli Military Censor. Nevertheless, he did interview Israelis in the United States and Europe during his three years of research.[1]

    • Replies: @Adrian
  27. @Tom Verso

    Samson option is when when the genocidal is also suicidal …

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    , @Iris
  28. @Fran Taubman

    ‘… I first of all do not know what you mean but I think of apocalyptic and genocidal in one sentence I do not think of the tribe, talmud or Israel, I think Islam. They think nothing of self sacrifice in an apocalyptic vision in Shia Islam as it will lead to the emergence of their Madi.’

    Even if this were true, how would it render the same mentality acceptable among Jews?

    There’s probably a man somewhere in this town who beats up his wife. If I identify him, does it become okay for me to beat up my wife?

  29. @Fran Taubman

    ‘… If you study it, can be pretty scary. It is not just Israel. Also who wants another North Korea blackmail game?’

    You mean something like the Samson option?

    Anyway, the whole discussion is silly. No nation — and that included Imperial Japan in 1945, when the chips were down — chooses self-immolation. They always give way. Iran isn’t a threat to Israel because Iran’s not going to commit national suicide, and ‘the Samson Option’ is bullshit as well, because six million Jews aren’t going to commit national suicide either.

    Zionists such as yourself only choose to think otherwise about Iran — in spite of the absence of any historical evidence at all — because it justifies your own pathological aggression towards a nation that is (a) a thousand miles away, and (b) poses no serious threat to Israel whatsoever.

    Try not attacking literally everyone you can think of. That might help. I mean, fuck — Israel is the only state in modern history that has attacked literally every single one of her neighbors, and several more besides. Since 1948, she’s attacked Jordan, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, Tunisia, and even the United States. What’s up?

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  30. Adrian says:
    @Adrian

    One thing I remember of the book is that supposedly some of Israel’s nuclear weapons also target some West European capitals not for any specific military reason but more in the style of “this time you will all be going with us”. It is such a darling little country.

    There would be a certain historical justice in Paris being included because it was, according to an article in the Guardian, mainly France that helped Israel along this nuclear pathway. Dimona seemed at one stage a French outpost complete with Renaults, French bakeries and cafés.

  31. Art says:

    Despite the Zionist promise to introduce introspection, morality and universal thinking to the emerging Hebrew culture, the Jewish State has failed to break away from the Jewish past because it doesn’t really grasp the notion of the ‘past’ as a dynamic elastic ethical substance.

    The Jews are always long-term losers because they teach their children that they have always been and will forever be victims of humanity. Jew children are traumatized at an immature young age – they are mentally damaged by the thought that humanity wants to kill them and do them harm. This notion is inculcated deep in the Jew child’s psyche. These poor children can never escape what has been implanted. (For three thousand years, generation after generation, Jew culture has been abusing their children with dreadful thoughts.)

    Nine out of ten adult Jews are triggered into thoughts of doom by any criticism of Israel – their reactions are visceral, and a pure reflex coming out of their brainstem.

    Jews cannot be introspective because of what elder Jews have implanted in them in their youth. Their rational emotional systems have been short-circuited.

    I have seen intelligent Jews on this forum flirt with empathy for Palestinians – only to fall back into mindless reflexive support of whatever Israel does.

  32. AaronB says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    You were the one having genocidal fantasies, my friend, about Israel getting destroyed 🙂

    Second, you are the most tribal person I can think of – you beat up on one tribe and one tribe only. You belong to the tribe that beats up on this one tribe.

    You are tribal to the core. Someone who was not tribal would have no specific animosities towards one specific group only.

    Third, to adopt any stance whatsoever is to belong to a tribe. A genuinely non tribal person (not you) would merely belong to the tribe defined by that belief, although, obviously, it would be a self delusion.

    Any separation of one group from another is a tribe. Any identity whatsoever is a tribe – because identity sets you apart. The moment you define yourself you are tribal, because definitions distinguish one thing from another.

    To not be tribal would mean to have no specific beliefs whatsoever, to adopt no specific stance whatsoever, to have no specific values whatsoever – “even the value of not having values”. In short, to have no identity. To be no one. To not exist. (Or to be a Bodhissatva – but that is another story).

    So instead of indulging in self delusion, why not define better your tribalism?

    • LOL: Druid
    • Replies: @Miro23
    , @Caruthers
  33. utu says:

    Oren predicts that rockets would “rain on Israel” at a rate as high as 4,000 a day.

    Iran does not have 4,000 missiles that could reach Israel. How can you take Oren seriously?

    • Agree: Fran Taubman
    • Replies: @ivan
    , @Daniel Rich
  34. anarchyst says:

    The Arab countries that possess nukes are not stupid.
    They KNOW that any nuclear device detonated does not respect borders and would be hazardous to their own populations.

    Arabs have nukes because Israel has nukes AND has threatened the world with nuclear annihilation if its “feelings are hurt”.
    Israel is the most dangerous country on the planet as it does whatever it wants while daring other countries to intervene.

    Look up the “samson option” which is a threat by Israel to detonate a nuke in any city around the world,
    No delivery systems are needed as Israel’s nukes are already “in place” in cities around the world.

    Israel’s choice of “targets” will be Chicago, Los Angeles, or internationally Rome or Brussels.

    This is the main reason why Israel will not allow inspection of its nukes. It could not produce them as they are scattered around the world.

    • Agree: GMC
  35. Art says:
    @Art

    Jews Are Feeling Guilty: They Should Be. Their Influence Has Been Cancerous to America
    Gilad Atzmon Wed, Nov 6, 2019

    It has become an institutional Jewish habit to examine how much Jews are hated by their host nations and how fearful Jews are of their neighbours. Jewish press outlets reported yesterday that “9 out of 10 US Jews worry about anti-Semitism.”

    …. …. ….

    As Haartez writer Ari Shavit wrote back in 2003: “The war in Iraq was conceived by 25 neoconservative intellectuals, most of them Jewish…” Maybe some Jews now understand that the Zionist shift from a ‘promised land’ to the Neocon ‘promised planet’ doesn’t reflect well on the Jews as a group.

    https://russia-insider.com/en/politics/jews-are-feeling-guilty-they-should-be-their-influence-has-been-cancerous-america/ri27813

  36. Miro23 says:
    @AaronB

    Any separation of one group from another is a tribe. Any identity whatsoever is a tribe – because identity sets you apart. The moment you define yourself you are tribal, because definitions distinguish one thing from another.

    The issue is that some people are not particularly tribal (i.e. Westerners) and they are open to multiculturalism – i.e. proposition nations. However, proposition nations are very much non-tribalist places and need non-tribalism to survive.

    If tribalists talk multiculturalism and proposition nations (i.e. use deception) while practicing tribalism, they quickly overwhelm these societies – which is where the US is today with regards to Jewish tribalists.

    What does a Jewish tribalist elite do next? And what does a (subjected) majority do next?

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
    , @AaronB
    , @Geowizz
  37. @Colin Wright

    Shia Muslims believe that the Mahdi, born in the ninth century and also known as the Hidden Imam or the Twelfth Imam, is the Prophet Mohammed’s last legitimate successor. They believe that he has gone into occultation—the state of being blocked from view—but will eventually return, much as Christians believe that Jesus Christ will return some day. According to Shia belief, the Hidden Imam will reappear along with Christ and together they will restore peace and justice, saving the world from the chaos into which it would otherwise descend.

    The notions of martyrdom and “Mahdism” have led many to extrapolate that the Iranian leadership’s actions are governed by an inherent suicidal tendency and a willingness to cause chaos, even if it’s self-destructive, in order to facilitate the Mahdi’s return.

    Since 1948, she’s attacked Jordan, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, Tunisia, and even the United States. What’s up?

    What?? Those nations fought as one agains Israel; Jordan, Egypt, Syria Iraq they knocked a nuclear reactor to which the world applauded.
    Iran in Syria, as they are not stupid to let the Shia encircle Israel.
    I never hear of Tunisia. and Hezbollah attacked Israel in 2005. Those countries have sworn Israels destruction, since Israel is so small it sometimes have to attack first.
    War is war. It takes two to tango. And really foolish of you not to understand.
    It is tantamount to saying that America attacked Japan. Get real. Your arguments are childish.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @anonymous
  38. @Art

    The Jews are always long-term losers because they teach their children that they have always been and will forever be victims of humanity. Jew children are traumatized at an immature young age – they are mentally damaged by the thought that humanity wants to kill them and do them harm. This notion is inculcated deep in the Jew child’s psyche. These poor children can never escape what has been implanted. (For three thousand years, generation after generation, Jew culture has been abusing their children with dreadful thoughts.)

    I never grew up with these thoughts taught to me. Jews are not in a host country in America like Europe. There is no specific national religious or ethnic identity that rules America.
    We are all equally American. Gilad does not really understand American Jews, he is strictly from a feudalistic European mentality.
    And Art if you are going to respond, please exclude the part where I am evil and deserving of the worst things mankind can provide. It is boring.

  39. @Miro23

    If tribalists talk multiculturalism and proposition nations (i.e. use deception) while practicing tribalism, they quickly overwhelm these societies – which is where the US is today with regards to Jewish tribalists.

    Get a grip man, Jews are Americans like everyone else. They overwhelm nothing. Why don’t you figure out what nationality Jeff Bezos is? He pretty much owns everything in this country. The only think I do not order from Amazon are my pharmacy items which I am sure I will be doing soon.
    The hire millions of people and invade every house hold and no Jews are in their company.
    I cannot believe how stupid this stuff is.
    The multiculturalism thing effects everyone, and ever religion is against it. Multiculturalism is a secularist game, where all cultures are treated the same. No religion takes precedent.
    The problem is everyone who is not wealthy or free to move hate their communities being invaded by cultures that offend them. Not all cultures are good.

  40. renfro says:

    Michael Oren, repeated my 2011 predictions this week in the Atlantic and described a horrific scenario for the next, and likely last, Israeli conflict.

    The purpose of Oren’s Atlantic article was to create alarm in the DC political corridors…..”warning’ that if the US doesnt ‘soon help Israel’ with its Iran enemy there will be chaos and dead bodies galore .
    Its propaganda but ‘true’ propaganda ‘if’ Israel were to attack Iran on their own…but they wont….they aren’t capable of it alone.
    They are running this same propaganda articles/warnings in Europe, saying Europe needs to ‘do something’ about Iran Now!
    Its basically a blackmail and scare ploy because they don’t think Trump will do it for them….and of course if Israel starts a war it will be because Trump/US deserted them like he/we did the Kurds and they were ‘forced’ to try and defend the world against Iran ‘all alone’ and Israel isn’t to blame for the mess…lol.

    What Israel will do is try to start a war on Hezbollah ‘first, as Hezbollah would be their most immediate and dangerous threat , severely crippling Israel right at the onset of any war with Iran.
    They will claim that Iran directed attacks on Israel and so the US should step in because its an attack by Iran.

    If we had anyone in DC that wasn’t bought off by Jewish ‘benjamin’s ‘ they would be laughing their asses off at this typical Jewish tactic.

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @ivan
  41. @A123

    Everyone understands that a minor Iranian miscalculation could lead to total war. One in which nuclear bombs would rain down on Iran leaving its cities, economy, and security in ruins.

    The sociopath, Ayatollah Khameni is detached from reality and may be willing to take such risks. However, there is no reason to believe that The Iranian military or civilian population will embrace certain suicide. It is quite likely that the IRGC would decide that it is time for another revolution and end the theocracy, rather than die following the dubious commands of a deranged Ayatollah.

    Kristol, you’re drunk. Turn off the computer and go to bed, you shmuck.

    • Troll: A123
  42. @Fran Taubman

    ‘… I never hear of Tunisia…’

    There you go. You can’t even keep track of all the places your country has attacked.

    Only six million Jews, and after only seventy years, so many enemies you can’t even remember them all!

    That’s something. Imagine Honduras going berserk like this.

  43. AaronB says:
    @Miro23

    Westerners are indeed very tribal. They believe certain things about materialism, individualism, and atheism that set them apart from nearly all other tribes and give them a specific identity.

    A key belief of the white tribe is that it is ok for other tribes to not practice individualism, but whites are too evolved to do so.

    So it isn’t that whites aren’t tribal, it’s their tribal beliefs are not competitive in some ways.

    • Replies: @Oracle
  44. Art says:
    @Fran Taubman

    I never grew up with these thoughts taught to me.

    Gee Frannie — I would think, that you would not want to take full credit for your evil ways.

    You create more anti-Semites that any other commenter (even AaronB).

    Gilad seems to think US Jews have guilt. You are out of step with your tribe.

    What is wrong with you?

    Think Peace — Art

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
  45. @Fran Taubman

    ‘… We are all equally American…’

    Are we? You’ve boasted of your relatives in the IDF; how many are serving in the US armed forces these days?

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  46. @renfro

    ‘… Its propaganda but ‘true’ propaganda ‘if’ Israel were to attack Iran on their own…but they wont….they aren’t capable of it alone…’

    It’s also self-defeating for Israel to attack Iran on her own.

    If Israel does that, she increases her isolation, and creates another set of ‘terrorist’ organizations targeting her. She even widens the divide between herself and us. It would be worse than pointless.

    What Israel wants is for us to attack Iran. Then we become more isolated from the rest of the world, and even more closely tied to Israel.

    She has us all to herself.

    • Replies: @renfro
  47. anonymous[224] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright

    You can’t figure this out?

    Heh 🙂

    The Past, Colin is noithing else but a dynamic elastic ethical substance. And what the Future is? Damn right – a dynamic elastic ethical substance! Now the question is: what about the Present?

    You see, Gilad is a philosopher. He refines questions, and not answers; what is so difficult to comprehend, Colin?

    Today is the shadow of tomorrow
    Today is the present future of yesterday
    Yesterday is the shadow of today
    The darkness of the past is yesterday

    The light of the past is the light which was
    The wisdom of the past is the light of the past
    The light of the future is the light which is to be
    The wisdom of the future is the light of the future, see?

    • Agree: Saggy
    • Replies: @Naresh
  48. renfro says:
    @Colin Wright

    She has us all to herself

    That was the goal.
    Remember the Zios in Rumsfeld’s pentagon stressing how the US must dump ‘old Europe”?
    Even a non genius like me could figure that out….old Europe might be too much of a ‘restraining ‘ influence on the US.
    The Jews hate Europe anyway ..just like they hate Russia.

    Some interesting things popped up this week….Vindman , main testifier against Trump on Ukraine is a Ukraine Jew, Solderman,Trump’s main man on Ukraine is a Jew, also has now testified against Trump, their attorney is also a Jew……..they all have issued statements about how the plucky ”little Ukraine is fighting against Russia for the US and world” and needs our aid and so on. Exactly the same wording and bullshit spin the Jews use about Israel ”fighting Iran to protect the US and world interest”.
    Plain to me the Uber Jews are trying to set up the Ukraine as a Israel satellite and weight on Russia’s flank.

    I read Vindman’s testimony to congress…..something is very off about the guy. …he sounded numerous times like he lost his script. He’s, in his own words, a fanatical supporter of Ukraine . I don’t like Trump but I think the Ukraine deal to impeach him is a set up…..and its not coming mainly from the CIA ,its coming from the Nat Sec Council that Vindman works for.

    https://apps.npr.org/documents/document.html?id=6543468-Alexander-Vindman-Testimony

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @anon
  49. @Colin Wright

    I have family that live in Israel. They were born and raised.

  50. @renfro

    ‘…I don’t like Trump but I think the Ukraine deal to impeach him is a set up….’

    I think the ultimate target of the whole Ukraine thing is Biden.

    None of this will hurt Trump…the Democrats still haven’t managed to explain exactly what Trump did that was wrong.

    The one who’s vulnerable is Biden — and this is a way for Democrats who want to get rid of him to do it.

    They can’t openly attack him, but what happens if they go after Trump…and gee, look at all this stuff coming out about Biden.

    Adios, Joe. Personally, I suspect Hillary Clinton may still be in the game. Right now, the media’s suddenly casting Warren as a far-left nut job. She won’t work…then Biden will be compromised.

    …can’t have Sanders. Oh, who, who can we turn to? Hmm…experience, organization, a woman, loves blacks….tireless worker for Israel…

    This isn’t about Trump — no more than usual. The target is Biden. The way needs to be cleared.

    • Replies: @renfro
  51. Caruthers says:
    @AaronB

    According to your logic on tribalism, anyone is “tribal” who writes or talks about the Holocaust/Nazi barbarity without focusing proportionally on all other hemoclysms/barbarities in history, or who specializes in Russian history (say) without equal specialization in the history of every other land, etc.
    Gilad dislikes aspects of Jewish behavior, such as the racial orientation of Jewish politics, the extreme tribalism, etc. Dislike of extreme tribalism is not itself tribal——it’s anti-tribal.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  52. Not Raul says:
    @Colin Wright

    His last visit was cut short when he ran out of Pop-Tarts. Maybe he’ll pack more this time.

  53. Not Raul says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Oren is a former Israeli ambassador to the USA. If he’s willing to speak publicly on record, what he’s saying must be on many minds in Israel. I’m not saying that everyone thinks that way; but Oren isn’t obscure.

    How is quoting Oren a cop-out?

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  54. No matter what happens to israel, the United States needs to remain a neutral and non-involved party … by not supplying money, weapons or any sort of aid — and, most importantly, no US troops are to be in any way within the zone of any conflict between israel and anyone else.

    The israelis are the ones who bring this sort of stuff upon themselves by constantly poking ‘the other’ with a stick at every opportunity … and one day someone — Iran or whomever — is going to put out their lights … permanently.

    The United States has no need to enter any conflict with or on behalf of israel … they have proven time and again that they are not our ally, they are not our friend … that they feel free to use and abuse US at will.

    • Agree: Colin Wright, renfro
    • Replies: @Jim Christian
  55. ziogolem says:

    The Andinia Plan (and others like it) gives Israel almost a “reset” button, making the Samson Option a disturbing possibility.

    “Holiday camps” with hundreds of thousands of empty houses, a military landing strip, a submarine base
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/does-israel-have-a-patagonia-project-in-argentina/5624434

    A Palestinian sees for herself what these Israeli tourists are about
    http://www.kawther.info/K20040416A.html
    http://www.kawther.info/wpr/2009/01/30/israeli-war-criminals-in-patagonia

    It seems that the Argentinian elite are reliant on Israeli (and US) armed support
    https://steemit.com/informationwar/@renny-krieger/the-military-invasion-of-argentina-english-version

    It is terrifying to think that in the event Israel be run by psychopaths, they might sacrifice another “6 million”, while securing themselves a new Zion.

    On the other hand, a peaceful transfer of the occupation of Palestine to Patagonia (and elsewhere), without the trigger of war, would be a possible path to peace in the Middle East (not so ideal for Patagonia though).

    What would it take for either outcome to pass? I fear the former is far more likely than the latter.

  56. Not Raul says:
    @Altai

    I agree.

    Israel is much more likely to be the next country to use atomic weapons than Iran.

    They reached their limit in the 2006 Lebanon War with just over a hundred fatalities.

    It’s hard to imagine the Israelis losing even half as many as they did in 1973 (somewhat less than 3000) before pushing the button.

    • Replies: @Gilad Atzmon
  57. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @renfro

    I don’t like Trump but I think the Ukraine deal to impeach him is a set up…..and its not coming mainly from the CIA ,its coming from the Nat Sec Council….

    Have you heard of –
    Growing Indicators of Brennan’s CIA Trump Task Force
    by Larry C Johnson
    https://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2019/11/growing-indicators-of-brennans-cia-trump-task-force-by-larry-c-johnson.html

    They were out to get him a year before he was elected;

    • Replies: @renfro
  58. Alden says:
    @AaronB

    If you don’t mind my asking, do you really live in your Sukkot structure for a week? You must be in a warm climate.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  59. @A123

    It is a bit rich calling the Ayatollah a sociopath. The pot calling the kettle black comes to mind. The Jewish mindset shows signs of psychopathy in its complete lack of empathy for the other. Yes, the Jews will face an existential crisis. This is what happens when you fail to learn from your history, fail to listen to your prophets and ignore your God. The definition of insanity is repeating the same behaviour and expecting a different outcome. God has expelled you from the land multiple times – like the scapegoat sent into the wilderness -like Cain sent away from the sanctuary to “wander” because he murdered his brother (the goat for Yahweh). You have learned nothing.

    “Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye have made your iniquity to be remembered, in that your transgressions are discovered, so that in all your doings your sins do appear; because, I say, that ye are come to remembrance, ye shall be taken with the hand. And thou, profane wicked prince of Israel, whose day is come, when iniquity shall have an end”. (Ezekiel 21:24-25)

  60. @Gilad Atzmon

    Hey Gilad..Old Nimitz sailor here, of the Gunboat Diplomacy era, think Jimmy Carter’s days, ending with the Iranian Hostage Crisis. Israel really was a backwater then, desperate for peace with Egypt. Now? Pure monolith. What Oren and Bolton and Pompeo and Beni himself fail to mention in all their sabre rattling is what I think of as The Map.

    The Map is what *I* look at when I consider the notion of striking Iranian targets that are operationally hot or worse, actually dropping nukes on Iran. All the advocacy for a war with Iran completely ignores, or worse, doesn’t care, about The Map. Look at The Map of Iran. Imagine the fallout patterns. Even without a nuclear blast, look at the fallout potential of bombing even ONE centrifuge site that’s spinning uranium into nuclear gold. Look at it: Scattered in the wind over Afghanistan, the Pakis, all of China, Southeast Asia, Korea, the Japs, Russia, everyone gets a big heaping helping of radioactive fallout. Hit a couple or all the sites you can find and you just doomed all of Asia to a seriously cancer-rich future. The Map, man, how do they ignore The Map? This stuff has a long, long half-life and humans don’t suffer it gladly.

    So, my question is, do they actually consider the fallout issues pointed out by The Map, Gilad? Does that deter them in any way? Or would the health of billions, possibly the deaths of millions in Asia merely be collateral damage, necessary to protect the Jewish Super-State? We are all, after all, in their service, no?

    • Replies: @anon
    , @peterAUS
    , @Gilad Atzmon
  61. anonymous[224] • Disclaimer says:
    @Caruthers

    Gilad dislikes aspects of Jewish behavior, such as the racial orientation of Jewish politics, the extreme tribalism, etc. Dislike of extreme tribalism is not itself tribal — it’s anti-tribal.

    If he indeed was about that he would not be spending his time on a site full of extreme nationalist bigots who are indeed all about racial orientation and tribalism.

    If he was anti-tribal he would be critisizing the White Nationalist movement and the Alt-Right instead of Israel because he lives in England. He is doing something else – attempting to re-define himself as a gentile through negation of all things Jewish.

    However it is not working.

  62. @Art

    When they introspect choseness collapses ,,, they become ordinary goyim… simple… it doesn’t happen a lot,,, I can think of a few cases in history. Jesus Christ, Spinoza, Uriel Da Costa, Otto Weninger.. currently Israel Shamir, Paul Eisen and maybe just a few others…

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @Art
  63. @A123

    The Samson Option is at the core of Israel’s deterrence strategy. It is based on the idea that Israel won’t hesitate to wipe out its enemies in case it goes down. It is where the genocidal inclinations meet the suicidal tendency in the light of Biblical Samson who was himself a mighty suicidal figure.. Since nukes are a strategic weapon and won’t be used against Palestinians and bearing in mind that Israel possess hundreds of them, the Samson Option should be realised as a universal threatening message to goyim in general and not just Israel’s neighbours.

    Take it or leave it…

  64. @Not Raul

    It is actually very clever on Iran’s part developing its ballistics, cruise missiles, drones and precision missiles as it limits Israel’s options in utilising its nuclear weapons … However, we also know that Israel was ready to use its nukes in 73… Interesting and frightening time…

    • Replies: @Not Raul
  65. What can Israel do if attacked with an Ebola/Marburg virus for example? How they will prove that it came from this or the other state agents or from free lancer ISIS-type fanatics in order to retaliate???

    The best defense for ISRAEL is to try to understand that we are all in a yellow submarine with common destiny. If the manage to get rid of their superiority complex and learn to cooperate on a premum inter pares basis, then there is hope for all.

    • Replies: @Gilad Atzmon
  66. @A123

    Well, in principle this is no different from what Putin said – upon an existential attack (not that an attack on Israel is existential to Jewish life btw), why should the world continue without us?

    The thing is, any miscalculation by most anyone these days could lead to nuclear war. And whilst the US got a free pass for nuking civilians 75 years ago, as the first offender, any second offender is not going to get off lightly. So ok, Iran miscalculates (akhem, practices aggression for the first time in 200+ years), and the nation of Israel does its usual thing and genocides the cities.. how do you imagine the other states of the world would see this? Let’s remember – no one much cares for the Dresden holocaust any more, nukes are just much better at self-marketing!

    Remember – many know that Iran has not attacked a single nation in the ME since Israel’s birth, but that Israel has managed to have lots of ‘fun’, including being one of the few states to de facto grab territory after WWII. Even the philosemites take issue with the Gaza prison experiment, and whilst they emotionally recoil at any ‘anti-semitic’ literature like revisionism atm, believe me, any nuke Israel uses on a non-nuclear state will be like a Pandora’s box for the nation of Israel, except there will be little hope leaking out of the new one.

    Gilad describes ‘a disastrous scenario’, and it would be disastrous – both for Iran and Israel, however it happens. Better both declared permanent armed military neutrality, and didn’t try and annihilate anyone!

    I am surprised that those nations holding the higher ground (not highest) with respect to the high crime of aggression (Russia, China, Iran), don’t just declare neutrality and create a new military cooperation system for only neutral nations. Aside from the ideologues, this would make any attempt to false flag them much much more difficult, and modern people (like historical people too I suppose), are mostly not big on wars of aggression where they are the aggressor (as Bakunin said, few peoples – beyond elites and tyrants – have shown themselves partial to this. The Jewish people being one, the Anglo culture being another).

    Anyways, on your final point – there is no substantial probability that Iran will launch a first strike. It has historically not done so. Comparing Israel to Iran in this respect is like comparing a serial rapist with an angry hobo – we know who is most likely to act out.

  67. anonymous[222] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Why can’t you masturbate like normal people?

    One of the most amusing aspects of Dirty Dancing is that Jews witnessed and were (gasp) drawn to participate in quasi-normal sexual enjoyment that did not involve killing someone.

  68. @Tom Verso

    I very much doubt that if Israel nuked a nuclear free state, their faith would either remain outside of scrutiny as it is now, or the people welcome within other nations, as they are now. It would not be suicide for whatever their genetics are, but certainly the ideology would suffer tremendously.

  69. Israel will cease to exist within decades.
    It is written in the total failure of the AshKan-Nazi’s to learn anything from history.
    The Khazar Empire was such an abomination that Russia and Iran combined to destroy it and disperse its people in 1250 A.D.
    Since that time, The AshKans nearly destroyed Russia and currently goad Iran. This is beyond reason; we are dealing with a people of satanic hatred and utter insanity.
    They will push until they are put down like mad dogs.
    Any survivors will blame everyone but themselves.
    It is pathetic.
    They have nearly destroyed the U.S. with debt and have seized Ukraine so as to have a place to run to when that falls apart.
    You couldn’t invent a more deranged and satanic people than the AshKan-Nazi Khazars. They are absolutely insane Satan worshippers and vermin.

  70. @AaronB

    I had an idea from your posts that you were a deluded Khazar.
    You’ve not only confirmed that but have now shown yourself to live in a deluded fantasy world.
    You don’t seem to have any clue that the entire edifice of Israel exists at the whim of a very small group of people who are currently in the process of losing every semblance of control as they desperately run amok censoring everything in sight.
    Why?
    Word is out. The AshKan-Nazi Big Daddy Rothschild sits atop a financial empire in collapse and still believes he can lie and manipulate his way out. It is ending as will his ability to protect your future residence.
    When Israel inevitably creates its next war, Uncle Sam will be unable to help. The carcass will be picked clean and Israel will stand alone. Having a International Cabal of financial predators and pedophiles at its beck and call will not save Israel. They won’t be able to hire a mercenary army, like ISIS, to protect them. This next war will be over, effectively, within a week.
    Good-bye.

    • Replies: @2stateshmustate
  71. anonymous[222] • Disclaimer says:

    Gilad’s philosophical study reminded of Avigail Abarbanel’s psychological analysis:

    https://mondoweiss.net/2012/12/exile-and-the-prophetic-israels-failure-and-the-jewish-civil-war/

    “THE WORDS OF A FORMER ISRAELI BACK DURING ISRAEL’S ATTACK ON GAZA IN 2009 DURING “OPERATION CAST LEAD”: “The only thing that could unite people [in Israel] and temporarily brought out more kindness and a sense of cooperation was a feeling of being under collective threat, and in particular a ‘good wholesome war’” ~ Avigail Abarbanel

    ● SEE: “Israel’s Trauma Psychology and the Attack on Gaza”, By Avigail Abarbanel, Sunday 4th January 2009

    [EXCERPT] . . . Israel has been itching for a ‘good war’ for a while now. The botched attack on Lebanon in 2006 was a psychological disappointment that did not fulfil its purpose, and only led to a deepening chasm between the political and military arms in Israel. An Israeli friend told me in disgust the other day, that there is an atmosphere of ‘national orgasm’ in Israel about the prospect of attacking Iran. While people are being bombed in Gaza, all Israelis can talk about is the coming attack on Iran. But there is a link between the two.
    Israel’s social problems have grown exponentially over the past 15 years. It’s a very different Israel now than the one I grew up in. There is more violent and organised crime than ever before, and more domestic violence and abuse of children than ever. There are more drugs and drug use, and they have drunk-driving, something I have never encountered while I was still living there. This is reflected in official reports as well as in the daily newspapers.
    My brother who lives in Israel described to me how soldiers who spend their military service in the Occupied Palestinian territories implementing Israel’s brutal occupation, come home on weekends only to get involved in drunken armed brawls and murders. This was unheard of in my time.
    Israelis have never been particularly kind to each other. It’s one of the reasons I left actually. In my late twenties I started to grow weary of the unkind, harsh and unforgiving atmosphere around me. It was a tough place to live in not because of our ‘enemies’ but because of how people treated one another. You would believe that we were all enemies rather than people who have some kind of a shared heritage. The only thing that could unite people and temporarily brought out more kindness and a sense of cooperation was a feeling of being under collective threat, and in particular a ‘good wholesome war’ . . .

    SOURCE – http://www.avigailabarbanel.me.uk/gaza-2009-01-04.html

    ● AVIGAIL ABARBANEL’S SITE – http://www.avigailabarbanel.me.uk/

    • Replies: @Gilad Atzmon
  72. @Art

    You are absolutely correct.
    I have seen AshKan-Nazis argue* that they have a 2000 year history of being viciously attacked by European Christians. No mention was made of the Alliance of Oppression the Khazars formed with European nobility. The usurious interest they charged. The ruthless tax farming contracts they bid for.
    No mention of their behavor whatsoever.
    Nothing about being ousted from over 100 countries.
    Nothing.
    The eternal victim.
    As the Poles say: The Khazar screams in pain as he hits you.
    They are deranged, satanic and insane. Their Talmud renders them an immoral people but allowing them to oppress and abuse the OTHERS. They created the Talmud (Khazar rationalizations) and rejected the Torah (God’s Word).
    Christ nailed it: A Synagogue of Satan.

    *In University (not many of them seemed to be able to get into the University I went to. I believe the academic standards were high and that generation was very lazy. I never saw one Khazar excel at anything)

  73. padre says:
    @A123

    Of course it would happen that way, you God’s chosen people, you don’t have to accept reality!

  74. @Gilad Atzmon

    Samson option is when when the genocidal is also suicidal …

    An offshoot of Mutually Assured Destruction? If Israel didn’t have Iran as an enemy (or once Iran is destroyed at Israel’s request), Israel will find yet another enemy and another. And another host to destroy that enemy, us or someone else. It’s the Israeli DNA.

    And it’s our DNA to be suckers for them.

  75. Patric says:

    Most all of this discussion assumes the ‘reality’ on nuclear weapons. A very interesting book is “Death Object” by Nakatani which shows pretty conclusively that Hiroshima and Nakasaki was faked……….in the sense they were just firebombed like all the other cities in Japan and Europe too. ‘Nuclear weapons’ were not developed and did not work at that time but it is the ‘story’ that has kept the world afraid of big powers ever since.

    The question I suppose is have ‘nuclear weapons’ been developed in the meantime? Nakatani does not speculate so much on that but if the foundation story is so off one wonders about what has happened later. It’s a bit like ‘proving’ we did not go to the Moon in 1969 (and we have never been back) so with ‘nuclear weapons’ notice they have never been used in the meantime. Sort of like we have never been back to the Moon. IF ‘nuclear weapons’ are not real it would make Israel a lot more vulnerable and show the so called ‘Samson Option’ is probably mostly a bluff.

    The world seems to run on lies and ‘nuclear weapons’ is a very big one and serves to keep everyone scared. In that way it is a kind of classic ‘psy op’ based on FEAR. As most of them are

    • Agree: Mike P
    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  76. @Art

    Gilad seems to think US Jews have guilt. You are out of step with your tribe. What is wrong with you?

    Those Jews are installed as virtue signalers. As in, “I’m not the bad Jew, most Jews aren’t like THOSE Jews”. Virtue-signalers are the dangerous once. Race, gender or Jew, when someone is virtue-signaling on any issue, you have to look to see what they’re gaining from selling out their own.

  77. @Anthony Aaron

    The United States has no need to enter any conflict with or on behalf of israel … they have proven time and again that they are not our ally, they are not our friend … that they feel free to use and abuse US at will.

    Fact is we don’t have the ability to go to any more wars, certainly not to fight anyone beyond the capabilities of third-world shit-holes. If they have missiles, they’re no-go for us.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  78. Solomon, who understood the language of every animal, avoided so much as crushing an ant out of compassion for it. One needn’t acknowledge that this even happened to affirm its wisdom.

    If it remains but the amusement of myth two and one half millennia hence, then there is as much wisdom in the demise of the House of Israel that is certain to follow.

  79. It’s interesting that such a swarm of (probably paid) Zionist trolls seek to undermine Gilad’s characteristically perceptive article. Of course, there are all the usual Hasbara tactics of distortion and falsehoods. No matter how much they might like to deny it, the ‘Samson’ option is well documented and much discussed over the years (like the ‘dancing Israelis’ after 9/11 which Hasbara trolls also seek to paint into ‘an Internet myth’). The original use of the term would not have been particularly controversial – except among those who would seek to deny Israel’s nuclear weapons at all. It would be superficially consistent with the Cold War ‘MAD’ theory: nukes used as a last resort. In fact, Gold Meir said as much in a BBC panorama programme in 1971. Hart asked “Prime Minister … You are saying that if ever Israel was in danger of being defeated on the battlefield, it would be prepared to take the region and even the whole world down with it?”. Golda replied ‘Yes, that’s exactly what I am saying’”. Seymour Hersch actually used ‘Samson OPion’ as the title to his 1991 book on Israel’s nuclear programme. However, Martin van Creveld, a professor of military history at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, took the whole issue much further and was quoted in 2003 as implying that Israel was prepared to threaten European (and maybe American) cities in an effort to blackmail them into supporting the Jewish state. The reality is that a large section of Israel’s rulers – backed up by their religion – perceive the rest of us goyim as scumbags who are totally expendable. It is absolute lunacy on the part of western leaders to offer support to this state. Indeed the sooner most Jews wake up to the reality of what their leaders plan for them and liberate themselves from the hateful Talmudic dogma that underpins them, the better for themselves as well as the rest of us

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Fidelios Automata
  80. anon[244] • Disclaimer says:
    @A123

    https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/11/08/pentagon-claims-us-authority-shoot-any-syrian-govt-official-who-tries-take-control

    But the reality is this, oil is the excuse but for this time What is the eternal excuse ? We can . We will. We are the mercenary for Israel .we cant tell we are working for Israel.Israel tells us to say this We say this. Isarel tells us to say that as a reason We do.

    In 2005 ,the Jew- run stupids felt that power with intoxicating effects But also had the desire to be seen not as mercenary but as powerful good guy with good motive . So Amanpur tells Assad on CNN :’we are coming “ —

    Mr. President you know the rhetoric of regime change is headed towards you from the United States… They’re granting visas and visits to Syrian opposition politicians,” Amanpour told Assad in a 2005 CNN interview.  https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/three-deep-state-confessions-syria

  81. Moi says:
    @A123

    As Reagan said to Carter: “There you go again.”

  82. Moi says:
    @AaronB

    Take the rest of your pals with you Israel. Good riddance!

    • Replies: @utu
  83. Moi says:
    @Fran Taubman

    You know squat about Iran, Shias, Sunnis, Islam. But thanks for displaying your ignorant Zionism.

  84. anon[171] • Disclaimer says:

    What wacky conspiracy theory is the “Samson Option”?

    https://archive.org/details/Sampson_Option

    From that wacky tinfoil mad-hatter, Sy Hersh. Read it for yourself.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  85. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    Israel doesn’t have to worry about a ‘rain of Iranian missiles’ hitting their Apartheid nightmare, not as long as faithful Shabbos Goy’s like the groveling Secretary of State Pompeo is there to bolster their neurotic tendencies and promise them an endless supply of money and American kids fighting endless wars for that rogue nation to bring about their Yinon plan to steal more ME land.
    Plus, they’ve got the tag team of Jared Kushner and his wife Yael, hitting Trump up for endless support of Israel and Sheldon Adelson threatening to take his vast shekel collection to another candidate.

    Wonder if Mikey would do this much for the group that is persecuted way more–in the ME–than the pseudo-Jews of Israel, Christians?

    • Replies: @Z-man
  86. @anon

    Do not feed the Hasbara.

  87. anon[171] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Taubman

    There is no specific national religious or ethnic identity that rules America.

    There it is. The whole “not your country goy” premise in a nutshell. In classic pilpul fashion, we selectively ignore key aspects of the history of the founding (e.g., the drive to religious freedom that was born of the horrible internecine religious wars of the Reformation) to support our erroneous conclusion.

  88. utu says:
    @Moi

    He will never go; he is not stupid.

    In a 1998 study of American Jewish immigrants to Israel, by Linda-Renee Bloch, one interviewee said he felt that Israelis saw him as having made the ultimate freier move by moving to Israel in the first place. In their eyes he fell for Israel’s “sales pitch” and traded the relative ease of American life for Israeli instability.

    Israel is a very low trust society where the greatest fear is to be perceived as a freier [sucker].

    “Israelis grow up with the expression of ‘never be a freier,’ i.e., a push-over or loser, someone who can be taken for a ride.”

    ‘An American might respond with the saying “Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me,” but for many Israelis, the question is, why trust anyone even once?’

    “A freier, in Israeli eyes, is a shopper who waits in line to pay retail. It is a driver who searches for legal parking rather than pulling onto the sidewalk with the other cars. … The fear of being a sucker turns driving into a bumper-car competition and makes grocery shopping as trying as arm wrestling.”

    “‘In London, the culture is to give way, be a gentleman, don’t compete,’ said Peri, the former editor. ‘But an Israeli is the opposite. If you are stronger, why should you give way to someone weaker? In a debate, the British will say, ‘You have a point.’ In a debate here, no Israeli will admit he has been persuaded to change his mind. That shows weakness.”

    “It’s a Sin to Be a Sucker in Israel: Fear of being seen as a freier creates an unbending approach to life–from parking to peace talks. Israelis say the desire to be tough is rooted in history of survival.”

    “Why does an Israeli driver speed up when another car signals its intent to enter his traffic lane? Because he doesn’t want to be a freier–a sucker.”

    ‘What do Israelis say when dodging military reserve duty? “What do I look like, a freier?”’

    “In short, a freier is anyone who cedes ground, plays completely by the rules or allows someone to get the better of him. The ideal Israeli is clever and tough, and a freier is the opposite. A pushover–in the way that Israelis often perceive Americans to be.”

    Freiers are naive, apt to fall into a trap. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu beat the Labor Party’s Shimon Peres in elections last year in large part because of Peres’ nice-guy image and view that Israel must be generous from its position of strength, giving up land now to gain long-term peace.

    “He was misperceived as someone who would make us freiers,” lamented former aide Uri Dromi, “even though he never made concessions or compromises on something important to us.”

    Now, Netanyahu makes the point wherever he can that he is no sucker. In a recent interview with the daily newspaper Yediot Aharonot, he credited his muscle-flexing for the drop in terrorist attacks against Israel. “The Palestinians have learned that we aren’t freiers,” he said.

    Two months ago, a Maariv newspaper reporter asked Netanyahu, “Would you agree that Arafat is no freier?”

    “Yes, but neither am I,” Netanyahu blustered.

    Jews create hell for everybody including themselves. They can only function as a minority under real or imaginary threat in larger host society and culture. Only then they have cohesion and cooperation for a greater [but tribal only] good.

    All Jews should make Aliyah and be sentenced to have their own company for eternity. So we must preserve Israel and turn it into the penal colony for all Jews. All humanity should be Zionist!

    What about GoFundMe for AaronB’s El Al ticket to Tel Aviv?

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @AaronB
    , @mark green
    , @Anon
  89. @ “fran taubman”-
    1. former libtard, never to be a conservatard, but find myself aligning w my conservatard brothers and sisters since they are the only ones defending the constitution, bill of rights, natural rights, common sense, and biology 101…
    .
    2. it is not the writings of ‘self-hating’ jews like mssrs atzmon, et cetera who are turning me ‘against’ zion (which is then purposefully misconstrued to mean ‘jews’, which then makes me exasperated, which then leads to, well, fuck ALL them assholes anyways…)
    .
    it is not the words of ANY or ALL of the people you LABEL (if not liable) as neo-nazi, white supremacist, fascists; (virtually NONE of whom i have read anything by, only heard them referred to as obvious fascists obviously spreading obvious ‘hate speech’, etc) who make me doubt the veracity, intentions, and morality of zion/jews/israel…
    .
    (setting aside the basic premise that all vassals of Empire are immoral lying sacks of shit, mustneeds…)
    .
    it is the plain and simple words, self-serving emotional appeals, hysterical uber-victimization, insistence on ancient, mythical justifications for modern depredations, and non-stop lying to buttress otherwise immoral actions of israel, by those zionistas such as yourself who are making me reevaluate my thinking regarding jews/zionists/israel…
    .
    USS Liberty: NEVER FORGET, NEVER AGAIN !

  90. @ΑΑΑΑΑ

    Someone tried it 2000 years ago.. he told love your neighbours.. they didn’t react very well ..

  91. anon[171] • Disclaimer says:
    @ManintheMoon

    Martin van Creveld, a professor of military history at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, took the whole issue much further and was quoted in 2003 as implying that Israel was prepared to threaten European (and maybe American) cities in an effort to blackmail them into supporting the Jewish state

    Here’s the link:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/sep/21/israelandthepalestinians.bookextracts

  92. You’ve got to hand it to Balfour. He herded the world’s most primitive obnoxious white supremacists into a place that fits neatly inside the 2 p.s.i. radius of a high-end nuke. When they finish genociding the indigenous peoples one nuke will polish off these scumbags. Won’t even start a war. Everybody will be like, Phew.

  93. @anonymous

    I actually share very little with Abarbanel who sees ppl including herself as ‘traumatised victims’ ..I prefer to ask why people end up repeatedly in the victims corner ..I ask what is it in a culture that prevents self reflection..and I argue that amongst other factors, the tendency to control the opposition , an endeavour manifested by Jvp , Mondoweiss and Abarbanel https://gilad.online/writings/2019/5/30/nahida-izzatnbsp-the-master-of-poetic-resistance Is at the core of the problem ..

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @renfro
  94. ivan says:
    @utu

    Oren is referring to the Hizballah.

  95. Greg Bacon says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    Also who wants another North Korea blackmail game?

    Didn’t you mean to say “Who wants another Israeli blackmail game?” because if you had said that, you’d be spot on.
    When Israel was getting a well-deserved ass-kicking in the 1973 Yom Kippur war, they threatened to let fly some nukes, which Nixon believed they would, so he sent over a huge shipment of arms and fighter jets, compete with USAF fighter pilots, to do the killing Israel wasn’t able to do.

    If anyone would do the self-sacrifice game, it would be Israel, the same state that worships the crazies that committed suicide at Masada rather than let the Romans take them prisoner.

    And with your psychotic, thieving, back-stabbing lying PM Bibi Nuttyahoo looking at jail time if he can’t form a govt, I have no doubt he’d start a world war just to save his sorry ass.

  96. @Tom Verso

    I have to agree with Andrei Martyanov when he states in his recent, “The Real Revolution in Military Affairs” that the military thinking in Washington, and by extension in Israel, is not only deluded but incompetent.

    The commenters here who are thumping their chests regarding the virtue and military might of the Israeli state have no understanding of weapons development and what Israel is now facing with multiple, well trained and armed opponents on its doorstep.

    Instead of opting for peace and genuine development of fairness and equity within the “Jewish” State, the thinking has always been, how to we make Israel into the perceived images of ourselves and our “glorious” past.

    This is the same thinking that led Poland to completely miscalculate its military capabilities in 1939…

    • Agree: 2stateshmustate
  97. ivan says:
    @renfro

    Sounds about right. This was the same kind of mindless extrapolations, exaggerations and fear-mongering that we were blasted with prior to the Iraq war of 2003. Won’t fall for that again. Apparently only the Iranians have an apocalyptic mindset with their Mahdi, but Christian Zionists with all their talk about the “rapture” and the coming rebuilding of The Temple are all rational scientists. Michael Oren was the guy who wrote “…case closed” on the attack on the Liberty ship. I found him a persuasive liar. He is a sophisticated misdirector. In 1967 there were a lot of people in Israel who would not have shed a tear for the Americans, given that the US told them to get out of the Suez in 1956.

  98. 1) I cannot see how such war would stay limited to the Middle-East and would not become the WW III.
    2) Contrary to A123, I don’t think that Khameini is mad and I see him as one of the best leader in the World with Assad.
    3) Don’t expect khameini, Assad or Nasrallah to start the war . They are not crazy people.
    4) assuming that Iran is responsible for the supposed attack on Saudi oïl facilities is wrong. This last attack was a false flag carried out by KSA to induce the US to attack Iran. By chance Trump unsderstood it and refused to be dragged into war. This is the rationale why the deep state is trying to impeach him.

    • Replies: @Greg Bacon
  99. DanFromCT says:
    @Miro23

    The shift will come as it’s the US, not Israel, that’s actually in a battle for its existence, not with Arabs and Persians, but with American-hating Mexicans and Hispanics who’re already within the gates. They’re organized and fully armed as guerrilla paramilitary terrorist organizations, waved away as “just” gangs that local cops with pea shooters can handle, and this despite the invaders already using chemical warfare that’s killing Americans by the tens of thousands, and who, with their governments’ implicit direction, occasionally practice massing hordes of military-age sleeper-invaders on the border under the cover of those overfed women and children we’re supposed to take for starving refugees. And, from what I understand, it’s mainly paid for by the likes of Soros and Steyer—that is, by the Democratic Party. It’s also easily demonstrated (in their own words) that no group has been louder in its demands for this blatant genociding of whites in America than the citizens of Israel and Jews of the US. Obviously then, to coexist peacefully it must be realistic, not based on some farcical myth of a shared “Judeo-Christian” ethic or culture. Ethic? Let’s not get into that for either country.

    The comment somewhere about DJT being an Israeli viceroy is cute but misses the point inasmuch as he’s become more of an Israeli footstool than viceroy. I say this because he has no standing with American Jews who’ve turned him into a proxy demon for white America. As for Congress, the 50 standing ovations for Netanyahu a few years ago speaks for itself. Since no men could possibly lose so much of their manhood as to grovel before a foreign nation whose people hate America the way Israelis do, it follows those congressmen are either psychopaths or gaymailed like Hastert. If I were an Israeli, I’d be very, very wary of the allegiance of groveling whores.

    But what about there being no more war in the ME? Suppose Israel and Iran realize they have to bury the hatchet to their mutual benefit.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  100. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jim Christian

    To the likes of Bolton and Bannon, isn’t this a feature, not a bug?

  101. Israel and her people are repugnant and deserves to be ground into dust but the idea that Iran, let alone any Arab nation, is going to beat them in a military conflict is preposterous.

    The time is coming when the civilized nations of the world turn their backs on Israel completely and all the Jewish money in the world won’t buy them any positive public relations and the only friend they will have left is the rotting, bloated corpse that was the U.S. We all know that Jews are a parasitic race that can’t survive on its own. Isolate them and let them sell all the Soda Streams and falafel they want to themselves while they repeat over and over again, that they are God’s chosen people.

  102. Sean says:

    Top US Latter Day Armageddonite politicians like Tom DeLay have repeatedly said the US will destroy any country that attacks Israel, and they only stopped saying it because the Israelis asked them not to.

    Iran was being paid to stop building nuclear weapons, now it isn’t. They made the deal and then the US backed out. A copy of a US drone (Iran is under a massive amount of surveillance) the Iranians brought down is probabally the reason for the jump in capabilities. However, what we have is two sides that are threatening dire consequences will befall the other if they dare attack.

    The Iranians leaders have said there is not going to be a war, and indeed there is no reason to think they anticipate any benefit to Iran from a war. Being seen as Israel’s number one enemy l is good for Iran’s image in the Muslim world and counteracts the loathing that Sunni Arabs feel for the Persian Shia. Iran had their revolution and wanted to be independent of the superpowers, but they do not have powerful protectors and need to pose as a enemy of Israel, but without actually going to war with Israel. Iran is not going to blow its own brains out for a basically Sunni Arab population in the occupied territories.

    Israeli politicians need to portray Iran as a great threat to Israel so that those politicians can pose as saving Israel from the aforementioned peril. Apart from PR, Iran is preoccupied with its ancient enemies in Saudi Arabia, that is why they attacked it with drones. The US has never been closer to attacking Iran than after the recent attack on Saudi Arabia, which resulted in

    https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/11/pentagon-troops-saudi-arabia-044502

    The latest deployment, which includes two squadrons of fighter jets and three air-defense units, will bring to 3,000 the number of troops the U.S. has sent to Saudi Arabia since Iran attacked the kingdom’s oil infrastructure last month. “

    The internal stability of the Saudi regieme is the real issue in all the recent wars of the Middle East

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_withdrawal_from_Saudi_Arabia
    Since Saudi Arabia houses the holiest sites in Islam (Mecca and Medina), a number of Muslims, including Bin Laden and his supporters, were outraged at the permanent presence of non-Muslim U.S., British and French military personnel. The continued presence of U.S. troops after the Gulf War in Saudi Arabia was also one of the stated motivations behind the September 11th terrorist attacks[1] and the Khobar Towers bombing. The date of the 1998 United States embassy bombings was eight years to the day (August 7) that American troops were sent to Saudi Arabia. The U.S. had rejected the characterization of its presence as an “occupation”, noting that the government of Saudi Arabia consented to the presence of troops. On April 29, 2003, Donald Rumsfeld announced that he would be withdrawing remaining U.S. troops from the country.

    Before 9/11 it was reported on the BBC that radical Muslim preachers in London were advocating hijacking planes and crashing them into buildings. Osama bin Laden wanted the US army out of Saudi Arabia. Margolis and Fisk are clear about this and they actually met him.

    In August 1996 Osama Bin Laden’s 1996 “Declaration of War against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places” first appeared in a London-based Arabic newspaper. The Land of the Two Holy Places is of course Saudi Arabia. Interpreting the Prophet Muhammad as having outlawed “permanent presence of infidels in Arabia” in Islamic law,bin Laden described d the House of Saud as apostates.The Iranian attack on Saudi Arabia was probably precipitated by the US going back into Saudi Arabia.

    https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2019/07/21/officials-us-putting-troops-back-in-saudi-arabia/With Iranian military threats in mind, the United States is sending American forces, including fighter aircraft, air defense missiles and likely more than 500 troops, to a Saudi air base that became a hub of American air power in the Middle East in the 1990s but was abandoned by Washington after it toppled Iraqi strongman Saddam Hussein in 2003.

  103. Saggy says: • Website

    This leads us to the essential issue. Zionism vowed to emancipate the Jews from their destiny by liberating the Jews from themselves.

    What complete idiocy. Zionism, the conquest of Canaan, is the basis of Judaism from 1000 b.c. onwards.

    Atzmon whitewashes Judaism and Zionism, while parading as an antisemite.

  104. AaronB says:
    @utu

    All Jews should make Aliyah and be sentenced to have their own company for eternity. So we must preserve Israel and turn it into the penal colony for all Jews. All humanity should be Zionist!

    What about GoFundMe for AaronB’s El Al ticket to Tel Aviv?

    Well said and agreed, utu 🙂

    How much can you contribute?

  105. AaronB says:
    @Alden

    The holiday never falls out in winter, but it can get a bit chilly. These days out of Israel and in cold climates, Jews eat all their meals in succas and only some sleep in them. It is considered especially devout to sleep in them and some people do, but mostly if its cold they eat their meals in them.

  106. anonymous[224] • Disclaimer says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    No, this is amazing. Amazing.

    This whole “introspection” is a Jewish thing in the first place. You should have known that. Heshbon Ha-Nefesh it is called. And what’s up with you? Your consistent bashing of all things Jewish is like the morning prayer: Thank you, God, for not making me a Jew.

    Had you been a regular gentile, would you need to do it every day? You will never run away from yourself, never. You can’t. You will have to continue doing this, to support the illusion but you will never become a gentile. You can’t re-write your memories, Gilad.

    I am a Halachic Jew. I am not as much a Jew as you are. You are as much a Jew as it get be: born in israel, raised among Jews; a Jewish momma, a Jewish poppa. Hebrew – the native tongue. You can’t get more Jewish that this. You are a Jew, and always will be.

    And I am not a Jew. Just related. And I don’t feel the need to become more or less Jewish, because I am what I am and will remain till I die, and so will you. You can’t re-structure that deep stuff in your mind. It’s kind of recorded. How don’t you understand this, a grown man?

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @renfro
    , @Saggy
  107. Israel being blown to Hell?! From your mouth to G-d’s ear.

  108. SDC says:

    Lot of Israeli paid shills in this thread, Gilad must have struck a nerve or something.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  109. Well! Two can play the same game… if Israel resorts to the Samson Option then certainly the Arabs will have no choice but to invoke the primary “Alladin Option” with “Alibaba Option” in reserve.

    But seriously, would the use of nuclear weapons against Arabs/Persians by Israel, in the event it finds itself backed against the wall, would prompt Pakistan to unload its arsenal on Israel and then India, an Israeli ally, to dump its load on Pakistan thus bringing in China to devastate India which would give America the opportunity to make entire China into Gobi desert thus pushing Russia against America toward the apocalypse? Is it what the one “true” God wants? I don’t think so…

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  110. Z-man says:
    @anarchyst

    Look up the “samson option” which is a threat by Israel to detonate a nuke in any city around the world,
    No delivery systems are needed as Israel’s nukes are already “in place” in cities around the world.
    Israel’s choice of “targets” will be Chicago, Los Angeles, or internationally Rome or Brussels.
    This is the main reason why Israel will not allow inspection of its nukes. It could not produce them as they are scattered around the world.

    Correct.
    Which Arab countries have Nukes? Pakistan has nukes but it’s Muslim not Arab. Saudi? I doubt it.

  111. @Gilad Atzmon

    Perhaps I’m uninformed, but I would like to know why Israel (as well as its poodle the USA) would not employ nukes on Iran if Israel is attacked in such a manner. Please enlighten me if you would, Mr. Atzmon. I am asking myself why, but have no answers.

  112. So what you’re saying is the Israelis would find out what it feels like to be a Gazan. Isn’t that what you call poetic justice?

  113. Bookish1 says:

    What bothers me about the Sampson option is some time ago an Israeli Jew was bragging how Israeli nuclear weapons could reach every Capitol city in Europe. That called for some kind of action against those Jewish psychopathic murderes.

  114. @A123

    You Israeli baby-killers always spout out about using nukes to murder millions of goyim in neighboring countries. Just like you Bolshies slaughtered millions of goyim in the USSR.

    Trouble is this time nukes are not going to work. Indeed it will absolutely result in the total destruction of the European settler colony of Israel. And God only know what will happen to any Jews who fall into the hands of the enemies whose family’s they slaughtered.

    Also, when you Israelis use Nukes to slaughter millions in various ME cities even the stupid brain-washed Americans will abandon you.

    It’s your funeral Israel.

  115. Z-man says:
    @Greg Bacon

    Israel doesn’t have to worry about a ‘rain of Iranian missiles’ hitting their Apartheid nightmare, not as long as faithful Shabbos Goy’s like the groveling Secretary of State Pompeo is there to bolster their neurotic tendencies and promise them an endless supply of money and American kids fighting endless wars for that rogue nation to bring about their Yinon plan to steal more ME land.

    It’s even worse than that, he and Pence are rabid Christian Zionists, heretics/zeolots of the worst order.

    Plus, they’ve got the tag team of Jared Kushner and his wife Yael, hitting Trump up for endless support of Israel and Sheldon Adelson threatening to take his vast shekel collection to another candidate.

    Ah if only they could be sent packing back to NYC one.
    Whatever happend to that peace plan Jared? LOL!!! Do you have a store that sells jew-lery or is it jewelry? (Big wry grin)

  116. In my opinion Iran did not do the attack on the Saudi refinery, that attack was done by Israel, and I do not understand the authors stating that Iran was responsible, why would he say that?

    Zionist Israel will eventually force the ZUS to attack Iran with the objective of attacking Russia, which is the main target, and then the war will go nuclear and this is what the zionists want , as they believe that they can survive a nuclear war in their DUMB’s ie deep underground military bases throughout the ZUS and Israel and Europe, which are connected by underground tunnels and magnet levitation railroads, check the underground at the Denver airport as an example.

    The zionists want to depopulate the earth and they want to destroy Russia and Christianity and they want a satanic zionist one world government and a nuclear war with Russia, they feel will accomplish all of these goals and so a nuclear war is on deck, it is just a matter of time.

  117. AaronB says:
    @utu

    This is true. Israellis are absolutely exasperating, insufferable, and impossible people, pushy, obnoxious, and aggressive, always on the lookout for getting cheated.

    They are also incredibly warm, kind, friendly, and outgoing people, who would give the shirt off their backs to help a stranger, loyal in friendship, with a sweetness and emotional depth and fun loving attitude that gives life its zest. In the end they just don’t give a shut.

    In other words they are still ALIVE – they are not dead like the cold, emotionless, logical Europeans who are animated corpses good for neither evil nor good.

    To a dead person, a vital, living human being may well seem too much too take – no wonder you cannot live with us.

    And in truth, it is unfair that you should constantly be exposed to glowing and warm life and vitality when your own culture of dead logic has made you into walking skeletons – Jews back to Zion.

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
    , @Oracle
  118. Greg Bacon says: • Website
    @Jean de Peyrelongue

    This last attack was a false flag carried out by KSA to induce the US to attack Iran. By chance Trump unsderstood it and refused to be dragged into war. This is the rationale why the deep state is trying to impeach him.

    If Trump had fell for that Aramaco FF and started bombing Iran, Comrade Pelosi would’ve quashed the phony impeachment circus and the MSM would be drooling over how Trump is the right POTUS for the moment.

    Witness serial liar Brian Williamson blubbering on about how those cruise missiles Trump lobbed at Syria finally made him a president and another MSM clown quoting some Jew poet about how majestical this looks.

    This madness of Israel using tricks, False Flags, MSM lies, useful Christian idiots, blackmail and intimidation to get what they want for their Apartheid nightmare Israel will continue until the Zionist maniacs set-off WWIII or the USA collapses from within due to all the debt we’ve accumulated fighting endless wars for Zionism’s plan for an Israel that stretches from the brook of Egypt to the Euphrates and from southern Turkey to Arabia.
    Paid for with US taxpayer money and lives.

  119. AaronB says:
    @anonymous

    Gilad Atzmon has what Orwell called inverted tribalism.

    It is actually the exact same disease suffered by most whites today – they do not cast off their tribalism, it just takes the form of hatred of their own group. Orwell described it in regards to the English intellectualls of his day.

    Whites today are not “pathologically altruistic” – the silliest theory ever invented – they are actively hostile to their own group, out of inverted tribalism.

    It is a very extreme, virulent form of tribalism – far worse than the innocent and normal one of love of ones group, because it is primarily negative and hateful in orientation rather than loving.

    We should celebrate the fact that only a minority of Jews have acquired this disease – sadly, a majority of whites have it bad. The Jews like Atzmon that have gotten this disease picked it up from gentile white culture, obviously – all the more reason all Jews should move to Zion.

    Thankfully, our robust immune system – a culture that connects one to emotion and makes life fun – has largely protected us from this virus, but its a danger all the same.

  120. Wally says:
    @A123

    You ignore Iranian chemical & biological weapons.

    They have no Nukes? They don’t need to.

    Gay Israel has time after time proved that they are militarily incompetent.

    Remember, the laughable Israeli military was crushed by little Hezbollah in 2006.

    • Replies: @Mike P
  121. @ManintheMoon

    Hear, hear! I also wonder how many of the most virulent anti-Semites on this site are “hate hoax” trolls who spew their nonsense to discredit truth-tellers like Gilad Atzmon and Ron Unz.

  122. anonymous[222] • Disclaimer says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    I take your point and agree, and thank you for the introduction to Nahida Izzat.

    Further, while I have little no regard for psychologists/psychotherapists as a category, Abarbanel included, nevertheless, several years ago when she wrote the quoted material, it did provide an insight in the Jewish psyche that was among my first peeks into what I have since come to learn is a demented state of mind.

    In the exchange you quoted, Gilad, her mask came off — not at all unexpected.

    Phil Weiss is a gatekeeper whose skill is keeping the paychecks coming by walking a line between criticizing Israel and allowing his symptoms to overtake him.

    JVP is likewise a masked seducer/gatekeeper; toss in Jeremy ben-Ami’s J-Street and pretty soon there’s a baseball team ready to take the field.

    I met you in DC when Helen Thomas, bless her departed soul, was in the audience. She signed your book, as did you.

    • Replies: @Gilad Atzmon
  123. @AaronB

    The Israelis are shooting teenage Palestinians in the back and in the head and if that is warm and loving, count me out!

    Israel is doing to the Palestinians what the nazis did to the Jews in the Warsaw ghetto!

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    , @Colin Wright
  124. Caruthers says:
    @anonymous

    As Mr. Unz himself noted in the late night “bull-sessions” in which he participated while at Harvard, white nationalism is widely excoriated by the mainstream establishment as “racist”, while any of criticism of Jewish tribalism is similarly excoriated as “antisemitic” and therefore racist. This fatuous and outrageous double-standard should be recognized for hypocrisy that it is.
    In defining himself as “not Jewish,” Gilad is rejecting the racial categorization that is the core of the ideology of Jewishness.
    Bertrand Russell wrote an essay entitled “Why I Am Not A Christian.” Russell’s rejection of the tenets of Christianity proved the truth of this title. Those who dispute Gilad’s similar non-Jewishness expose the racial orientation of their own politics and self-identification.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  125. @DanFromCT

    “Suppose Israel and Iran realize they have to bury the hatchet to their mutual benefit.”

    As Jake said to Brett in the last line of Hemingway’s “The Sun Also Rises”: “Isn’t it pretty to think so.”

  126. renfro says:
    @Colin Wright

    They can’t openly attack him, but what happens if they go after Trump…and gee, look at all this stuff coming out about Biden.

    I dont think the Dems are smart enough to carry off that kind of double fake.
    They are all split into 3 or 4 different factions anyway.
    The establishment wing is supporting Biden…..Warren is drawing both progressives and middle of the roaders….Bernie is all progressives….Mayor Pete and Harris are supported by some Jewish groups.
    Who will end up the nominee is anyone’s guess.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  127. renfro says:
    @anon

    That may be……but it doesn’t figure in the Ukraine deal.
    You read too much Larry Johnson, his creditability has been shot by his past bogus info.
    Don’t know why Lang features him except Lang prefers Trump to the Dems, except for Tulsi.

    • Replies: @anon
  128. Caruthers says:
    @AaronB

    On the contrary, Hitler and Nazis picked up the virus of extreme racial tribalism and discrimination from Jews like you.

    On this you and Gilad agree: the virus cannot be confined to Jews; it must be eradicated in all or spread to all.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @AaronB
  129. Mike P says:
    @Wally

    You ignore Iranian chemical & biological weapons.

    You realize that last time chemical weapons were used, it was the Iraqis that used them to attack the Iranians, do you? And no, the Iraqis did not need to manufacture the stuff (mustard gas) themselves. I will give you three guesses as to who supplied them.

    Also interesting – who supplied the anthrax that was mailed out in 2001? Hint: it wasn’t Iran …

    • Replies: @anon
  130. @DESERT FOX

    “Israel is doing to the Palestinians what the nazis did to the Jews in the Warsaw ghetto!”

    “Israel is verifiably doing to the Palestinians what the nazis allegedly did to the Jews in the Warsaw ghetto!”

    tftfy

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
  131. @renfro

    ‘Who will end up the nominee is anyone’s guess.’

    Well, I’m reminded of 2016. In the primaries, we escaped having various horrors as the Republican nominee — in particular gentle Ben Carson, the brilliant black brain surgeon.

    This time around, the primary fight is on the Democratic side — and it looks like we’ve at least dodged Kamala Harris and Cory Booker.

    So — as always — it could be worse. I suppose — again — it’ll be like the past. In 2012, not only had I had Obama, as things fell out, I wanted him again.

    Ditto for Trump in 2020. Go Donald…

  132. anonymous[222] • Disclaimer says:
    @AaronB

    Inverted tribalism.

    Children are limber enough to turn cartwheels and hand-stands — i.e. invert themselves.

    Most adults cannot or tend not to do so just to show off or to express glee.
    If an adult is to be inverted, an outside agent must participate.

    Jews are masters at inverting non-Jews, and seem to have a preference for Catholics. I base this on an event taking place in a midwest city today, sponsored by a Jewish Federation affiliate, Classrooms without Borders — Antisemitism, Hate and Social Responsibility Conference
    The website offered several items of interest:

    > Duquesne University, a private, Catholic university, is listed as a “partner” in the event, but after talking with everyone from the dean of the history and religion departments to the university provost, nobody at Duquesne knew anything about the conference.

    > One of the keynote speakers is

    “Dr. Peter Hayes, . . . Professor of History and German, Theodore Zev Weiss Holocaust Educational Foundation Professor of Holocaust Studies Emeritus, Northwestern University, and author of Why? Explaining the Holocaust, specializes in the histories of Nazi Germany and the Holocaust and, in particular, in the conduct of the nation’s largest corporations during the Third Reich. He taught at Northwestern for thirty-six years from 1980 to 2016, in the process winning several awards. . . .and is a former member of several Holocaust memorial sites. [He] currently serves as the chair of the Academic Committee of the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum.”

    Hayes was Zen Weiss’s first conquest as his foundationgeared up to infiltrate American universities and later its military academies with holocaust education. According to Anita Weiner in Expanding Historical Counsciousness: The Development of the Holocaust Educational Foundation, Hayes was identified as a likely candidate for the holocaust education project because he is Catholic and Irish, and his professorial expertise was in German history.
    Weiss’s investment in Hayes amounted to $3000 and an expenses-paid extended trip to Israel for indoctrination, an investment that has paid dividends geometrically for 36 years to the holocaust industry.

    > A blog-roll of testimonials by past participants in CWB events/trips included that of Sally Gooch, an award-winning teacher at an area Catholic grade school. Here’s what Gooch wrote:

    Dear Tsipy,
    After viewing the piece about your inspiring work on tv the other evening, I wanted to let you know how much you have changed my life. I met you at the Holocaust Center in 2004, and you helped me to get funding for my trip to Poland in 2005 with you. Since then, I’ve attended both the Belfer and Next Step Conferences at the USHMM in addition to any other workshop or conference available in the area.
    In addition to teaching about the Holocaust in my classroom, I’ve presented to various community groups. Last week I conducted a workshop at the National Catholic Education Convention held here . . .. Many people approached me from all over the country who are also interested in spreading the stories and lessons of the Holocaust.
    Holocaust Education has become my passion. I’ve continued to grow a small library of books and videos to share with kids and adults alike. I spend hours watching video and researching online to enhance lessons and find new material.
    Thank you so much for changing my life. Please continue to inspire others as you did me.

    Gooch has also been feted by local papers, as when she

    “She went with . . . survivors and [a television] crew to Poland and developed a lesson plan to accompany that documentary. . .

    Gooch long has had an interest in the history of the Holocaust. In her classroom you see on the wall a poster with the face of a Holocaust survivor, the outline of a concentration camp, a yellow Star of David patch with the word “Jude” that Nazis forced German Jews to wear, and “Never Again” in English, French, German and Hebrew.”

    This is an example of how the Jewel wasp parasitizes a cockroach to incubate its own spawn.

    Sally Gooch.
    Holocaust Cockroach infecting Catholic children’s minds.

  133. peterAUS says:
    @Jim Christian

    So, my question is, do they actually consider the fallout issues pointed out by The Map….

    There are several elements in calculating/predicting a possible fallout. Type and size of the blasts, type of targets, local terrain/soil, wider area terrain, weather pattern at the time, long term weather pattern etc.
    I am absolutely positive that all those options have been precalculated and are known to all potential players in this game.
    It’s long time since I’ve done such calculations (or so I say….) and I am sure that several resident nerds could do it as we speak. Even a tablet today is faster than DEC PDPs of old…….

    Does that deter them in any way?

    Don’t think so.

  134. renfro says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    I argue that amongst other factors, the tendency to control the opposition , an endeavour manifested by Jvp , Mondoweiss and Abarbanel

    I agree the above act as gatekeepers for ‘the Jews’….except for Abarbanel, she is defining Israel and Jews thru her profession as a psychologist. People tend to do that, use their area of expertise to explain something …for a teacher it would be about education for example.

    If you follow mondo you will see Phil gets called out by commenters for gatekeeping for the Jews….and he even admits it. Phil is a very conflicted fellow….his particular Jewishness is about his desire to be personally connected to eliteness , status and how thru Jewish brilliance his people have replaced the WASP ruling class and all those WASP boys at Harvard he use to envy for their easy comfort with being themselves.
    With Phil its all about Jewish ascendance in the US making him as a Jew part of the specialness and elite.
    But he still does some good because he seems to have a streak of morality that bumps up against his Jewish ego.

    • Replies: @Gilad Atzmon
  135. @SDC

    ‘Lot of Israeli paid shills in this thread, Gilad must have struck a nerve or something.’

    The thread was up for a while, then they all appeared at once.

    Go figure.

  136. @DESERT FOX

    ‘… Israel is doing to the Palestinians what the nazis did to the Jews in the Warsaw ghetto!’

    Now then, Israel would only wind up doing what the Nazis did, if like the Nazis, she found that total war provided a context in which such a crime was conceivable.

    Of course, the Lord helps those who helps themselves. What’s the situation if Israel manages to get us to start that war with Iran?

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
  137. Not Raul says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    Those weapons are great for countering Saudi Arabia; but any major war with Israel would go nuclear. Iran would be desperate to avoid that risk, while Israel knows that, while there would be complaints and symbolic actions in the West, Israel would face no major, long-term consequences due to Western disapproval.

  138. renfro says:
    @anonymous

    In the real world of science anyone can stop being a Jew because Jews are a religion….they are not “a people” or a ‘distinct race’ ….if they leave Judaism they are in effect no longer Jewish.
    ‘Secular Jews’ who claim they are Jewish (the mother gene and so forth) do so because they are in the cult of Zionism and Jews as some special people/race . ….despite the fact that there is no such thing as a unique Jewish gene or DNA or blood.

    • Agree: Adrian
    • Disagree: Pheasant
    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @OilcanFloyd
  139. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mike P

    Who supplied the sarin or other compounds used by ISIS/moderate rebels/White Helmets for false flags in Syria, 2013-2019?

    • Replies: @Mike P
  140. anonymous[242] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tom Verso

    it is to my mind a plausible option for Israel. For even if the Jewish State is destroyed, the Jewish Nation i.e. the Jewish people around the world will survive and continue on as they have these thousands of years. But, they will be free of what they perceive as their arch enemy i.e. Iran and other Moslems.

    Free from Iran? Ok. But, “other Moslems”? All 1.5bil+ of them?

    I understand that you are trying to put yourself in the shoes of zioscum, and analyse the “Samson option” from their point-of-view… but, it still comes out sounding like nonsense.

    The jooscum will nuke over 1.5bil “Moslems” around the world, while saving their own few million outside IsraHell?

    I have to say, you are not thinking too smart.

  141. geokat62 says:
    @AaronB

    Whites today are not “pathologically altruistic” – the silliest theory ever invented – they are actively hostile to their own group, out of inverted tribalism…

    Thankfully, our robust immune system – a culture that connects one to emotion and makes life fun – has largely protected us from this virus, but its a danger all the same.

    AaronB for bullshit neglected to inform us who is responsible for injecting “this virus” into Western societies, that led to “inverted tribalism” … a euphemism for loathing of one’s own race.

    Any guesses, AaronB? I’ll give you a clue, the words start with the letters JS.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  142. @Colin Wright

    Eventually Israel will get the ZUS to attack Iran and this will bring in Russia on the side of Iran and this is what Israel wants.

    Israel is ran by satanists and so is the ZUS and thus millions getting killed is just a sacrifice to satan.

  143. Mike P says:
    @anon

    Who supplied the sarin or other compounds used by ISIS/moderate rebels/White Helmets for false flags in Syria, 2013-2019?

    With respect to the Iran-Iraq war, we have good, solid evidence that mustard gas was used – a considerable number of Iranian victims with very characteristic symptoms were treated in major hospitals in Austria, Germany, and Belgium. Here is an article written by some of the physicians who treated them; there are several others.

    Maybe I missed it, but I have not seen any compelling evidence that in those false flags you cite any poison was actually used at all.

  144. utu says:
    @Caruthers

    “On the contrary, Hitler and Nazis picked up the virus of extreme racial tribalism and discrimination from Jews…”

    This idea was floated by Umberto Eco in an article in some art journal years ago that now I can’t place and no search on google can help. Then I discovered Feliks Koneczny who wrote about it before and during WWII:

    [MORE]

    Feliks Koneczny (1940s during WWII): Judaized Hitlerism (excerpts)
    Polis version: https://wolna-polska.pl/wiadomosci/feliks-koneczny-hitleryzm-zazydzony-2018-02
    Jews brought monolatry to Europe and we know it from them, and in general we consider it something specifically Jewish. It is not so; monolatry is a phenomenon repeated in universal history here and there in various parts of the world, it can therefore be diverse and Germany could (in principle) think of a new, specifically German monolatry. They did not make this so. The Hitlerian monolatry is a faithful copy of the Jewish one, for it accepts the Jewish concept of the relation of its god to people without reservation. Just like Jehovah, the deutsche Gott is the enemy of all mankind, with the exception of Jews or Germans, Jews are the chosen people, and the German word Herrenvolk means the same; For Jewish choice has the message to rule over the whole world, and Germany strives to the same, under the authority of the deutschen Gottes and under his protection. The goal will undoubtedly be achieved, because the German God is invincible. When the incomparable (for Germans) coincident failed the first universal war, the second one provoked; if it should fail, it will evoke the third, etc. Until the effect. Similarly, Jews believe that world domination can not pass them.

    Their contempt of strangers they had learned from the Jews, as if they were reciting a lesson from the Talmud; they also equated themselves with Jews in maximum hatred. Jews are similar in that pride without measure is the most striking feature of both. In truth, a Jew is a complete man, only a Jew for a Jew, only a German for a German. A simple consequence of being chosen!

    The Germans completed the biblical verse as fully as possible with the promise of Jehovah, who will give Israel “a great and good city that you have not built; at the same time, the houses full of the good of all you did not clean up and the wells dug that you did not dig; vineyards and olive trees that you did not plant – and you will eat and eat “. The situation is exactly the same with the Germans. To desire of someone else’s property has become an essential feature of their character and the axis of their history. They work to have what they want to lead a war of invaders and a robbery invasion, then to live at the expense of others, fruges consumere nati.

    The civilization that is currently being carried by the Germans is to be based on slavery. Jews also dream about it, that when the Messiah comes, he will turn the “nations” into the slaves of Israel. The Germans made this dream a reality, they turned it into reality. They are more radical than Jews. It is hard to think that this system of the “new Europe” is progress.

    Having written down the manifestations of the latest German culture, we see that it is to be strictly utilitarian. Generally, this trait is also characteristic of Jews, but for Germans to a higher degree. Jews cease to be utilitarians when it comes to the worship of Jehovah and the study of the holy books. The Jew is now ready to make great sacrifices. There is nothing sacred in Nazism. They went through Jewish and Chinese in utilitarianism.

    In matters of property of the “nations”, the German position is quite compatible with the Talmud. Quite Jewishly, Germans also consider all property conquered as a “desert”, or a “free lake”, on which the Germans are allowed to do what he likes. Whether for a Jew or for a German, the property of “strangers” is nevertheless res nullius and primi occupantis of a Jew or a German.

    They strictly and thoroughly took over from the Jews the command of a double ethic, different for their fellow believers, and for different gentiles, which consisted of exemption from all ethics. This comes from the explicit command of Jehovah and the German god. The whole Europe knows from experience, not only is German allowed to commit all this evil, so that German has no conscience only but also no honor in relation to strangers, but unfriendly and dishonorable conduct is directly recommended to them. If German does not commit wickedness towards a stranger, apparently he is not a Nazi in spirit; like a Jew, without thinking of anything bad for a goy, he becomes a Jew who has been de-Judaized.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  145. anon[837] • Disclaimer says:

    I wish the goddamn kikes would actually use the Samson Option. Once they use nukes first, no amount of public relations will cover up the monstrous reality of their wretched tribe and country. Even many brainwashed normies will finally wake up and see the jews for what they really are. Go on kikes, let the nukes fly, make our day.

  146. Yeah.. I call BS on this one. It’s easier to believe that a former Israeli ambassador would make that scare scenario out of whole cloth than it is the Iranians and Hezbollah being able to put it into practice. After all, if Israel is already fully capable of defending itself, then why would it need all those defense sums from the US that keep on increasing?

  147. @utu

    Thank you for that illuminating examination of “freier” and its meaning within a culture that is obsessed with domination, supremacy, and the desire to exploit others. Very illuminating.

    In many ways, the Jewish/Israeli mindset is a case study in ego-driven parasitism.

    This explains why, seventy years after the creation of ‘the Jewish state’, most of the world’s Jews choose to live among the goyim–and not in glorious Israel where it’s ‘safe’ for Jews. This choice is revealing.

    Countless ‘Diaspora Jews’ understand that Chosen People cannot easily exploit, deceive, and suck one-another’s blood for a living. This tendency leads to intercine quarreling, feuding and infighting. What to do?

    Jews must knock down protective, gentile barriers and plant themselves among trusting, hard-working goyim. This strategy explains a lot about Israel’s acquired influence ‘among the nations’. Infiltration. Subversion. Sabotage. Preach universalism but practice particularism. Deception is key.

    To acquire and maximize global leverage, borderless Israelis require a gullible host population in order to ‘make’ a living and harvest resources (of others).

    This unlovely, kosher propensity gives rich meaning to the word ‘shyster’.

    World-wide Zionist infiltration, Zionist subversion and Zionist parasitism is Israel’s most extraordinary achievement.

    When host populations eventually resist and rebel, global Jewry dishonestly categorizes this recurring phenomena ‘anti-Semitism’. Their tribal flimflam is boundless and unending.

  148. Dannyboy says:
    @Fran Taubman

    We are all equally American.

    LOL…Bitch please, you should do standup.

    I hate to break the news to you, but American history doesn’t begin when your Commie shtetl goblin ancestors slimed up on our shores in the 1930’s.

  149. Dumbo says:
    @AaronB

    Let me be the first (?) to congratulate Aaron B on his swift return to Eretz Israel. May his example be followed by many others.

    Regarding his other comments, I do agree that Jews have more of “lust for life”. That’s why they are so materialistic. They are all about money, power, material possessions, carnal pleasures.

    Europeans on the other hand were always more interested in abstract things and mental pleasures than the mere material world.

    I have a feeling that the historical success of Christianity among Europeans has to do mainly with the rejection by that religion of materialism and of the main pleasures of earthly life.

    So Jews and Northern Europeans are on two extremes. The Chinese seem to be closer to Jews in their worldview.

    Southern Europeans are somewhat in the middle, not as cold/individualist as Northern Europeans, but neither as materialistic/clannish as Jews.

    However, with the decadence of Christianity and culture in general, Europeans also seem to have dedicated themselves to materialism/hedonism and status-mongering, or if not, to join suicide cults such as utopian progressivism, new age foolishness, etc. So they are in a rough spot.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  150. K14 says:
    @A123

    https://www.rt.com/news/468179-israel-lebanon-abandoned-base/

    Read that link so YOU stop fantasizing!

    Everyone knows ISISrealis are lowlife cowards and will never reach to Iranian or Hezbollah’s knees when it comes to courage!

    Allah sums it up perfectly when referring to Jews in Quran: “…if they are truthful let them wish for death…”

    Hezbollah members’ dearest wish is to leave this transient world as martyrs. They pray for it in every prayer, whereas the vermine that occupies Palestine wish to live in it forever…

    It is like comparing day and night!

  151. K14 says:
    @A123

    https://www.rt.com/news/468179-israel-lebanon-abandoned-base/

    Unlike the vermine that occupies Palestine and spreads mischief wherever it can, Iranians don’t bark loud than shit their pants when death stares at them in the face.

    When the time is right, they will act and that day the ISISraelis will hide or jump in the sea!

    Stop barking and wait….time will tell you…

  152. @anarchyst

    I think it’s a fairy tale. I doubt that Israel has a single functioning nuke anywhere.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  153. K14 says:
    @A123

    https://www.rt.com/news/468179-israel-lebanon-abandoned-base/

    Read that link so YOU stop fantasizing!

    Everyone knows ISISrealis are lowlife cowards and will never reach to Iranian or Hezbollah’s knees when it comes to courage!

    Allah sums it up perfectly when referring to Jews in Quran: “…if they are truthful let them wish for death…”

    Hezbollah members’ dearest wish is to leave this transient world as martyrs. They pray for it in every prayer, whereas the vermine that occupies Palestine wish to live in it forever…

    It is like comparing day and night!

    • Replies: @Ace
  154. AaronB says:
    @geokat62

    I’ve informed you poor people a million times.

    Your culture of rigid logic and science disconnected you from emotion and spontaneity and made life no longer fun. So your best people revolted and began to hate the culture they were born in.

    Life needs to be fun. If its not, what’s the point? The protestant work ethic, the Puritan war on color and joy. Life became grim and serious – especially serious.

    Even making money like Jews do can be fun – it can be an adventure and involve boldness, daring, and risk taking. Its approached in a spirit if fun. The Protestant notion of money is about grim duty, responsibility, and anxiety for the future because life is so damn serious lol.

    And yet Jesus warned you about precisely this – told you not to worry so much about food and clothing and the like, and be spontaneous about life. He knew taking life too seriously kills the spirit. He was, after all, a Jew, and tried to liberate you pagans from your tendency to take the material world too seriously.

    Anyone with any life revolts against these things.

    Break free of your chains and live spontaneously and joyously again, stop taking life so seriously – and you whites will rediscover your vitality.

    • Troll: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Dannyboy
    , @Ace
  155. Saggy says: • Website
    @anonymous

    You are a Jew, and always will be.
    ….. You can’t re-structure that deep stuff in your mind. It’s kind of recorded.

    Sure you can. Tell the truth about the holohoax. You will no longer be a Jew.

  156. SafeNow says:

    I factor into this whether Iranian leaders truly understand and believe that “Never Again” means exactly what it says. U.S. presidents have visited Yad Vashem, and they understand. But do the Iranians?

    • Replies: @anonymous
  157. Anon[144] • Disclaimer says:

    Jews aren’t “all equally” anything unless they would be willing to put their non-Jewish nation of residence and its defining non-Jewish people above Israel the political State as well as its diaspora people (international Jews).

    It is antitheitcal to their religion to do so. Therefore, they cannot be Jewish and have another socially valid national identity at the same time. Though, they will claim that they do until physically forced to choose between international Jews and their fellow non-Jewish “co-nationals”. At which point their prior lie will be undeniable.

    This is all (millenia) old information that this point. Arguing it is akin to arguing in regard to the legitimacy of the sun as the center of the solar system. Its a waste of time and only makes both parties look foolish for engaging in it.

  158. AaronB says:
    @Dumbo

    See my response to geokat.

    Christianity became about taking the material world too seriously. Protestants, Puritans, etc.

    Sure, the original message of Jesus was in the original Jewish spirit of not taking the material world seriously. But that message has long been forgotten in Christianity.

    You do not understand the Jewish attitue to money. It isn’t materialism. Some of the richest Jews I know live in almost shabby simplicity and care nothing for luxury or comfort. It’s actually quite comical – I always get a kick of out of it when I see it.

    Questions of survival aside, for Jews making money became a grand adventure and game of the spirit. It isn’t a grim and serious affair. It has nothing to do with the spirit in which protestants make money. It is more like the knightly spirit of adventure in which Europeans conquered half the world

    That being said, making money is not a value in the Jewish religion. All the main texts say money should not be a concern, one should live simply, and work only enough to survive and focus on God and religion.

    But since Jews were forced to soeviakize in money in Europe, they found a way to make it a game of the spirit.

    In Israel, this is no longer the case,which in my view is better.

    • Troll: Colin Wright
  159. AaronB says:
    @Caruthers

    No way. You can convert to Judaism and Jews cone from all races – you can’t convert to Aryanism lol.

    The Jewish sense of peoplehood whose mission it is to dwell peacefully in their land and bring peace and God to the whole world has nothing to do with the spirit of aggressive hostile racism of the Nazis.

    That’s materialistic and derived from the Greeks, like the Nazis veneration of the physical body also in their sculptures of nude Germans, etc.

    Completely different spirit – opposites, actually.

    • Troll: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Caruthers
  160. anonymous[222] • Disclaimer says:
    @utu

    just because some someone wrote some something does not give it fundamental authority, utu.

    apply some intellectual muscle s’il vous plaît

    and while you’re at it, tell Desert Fox to get his/her head out of the desert sand:
    https://www.unz.com/gatzmon/israels-last-war/#comment-3548949

    the situations of Warsaw and Palestine are not even vaguely comparable:
    Germany was in a declared war, remember?
    One that the British, French & Jews manipulated by giving Poland the ability to decide if/when major powers went to war over minor-power conflicts.

    The Jewish war on Palestinians is a land-grab w/ prejudice.

  161. @Fran Taubman

    Despite the Zionist promise to introduce introspection, morality and universal thinking to the emerging Hebrew culture, the Jewish State has failed to break away from the Jewish past because it doesn’t really grasp the notion of the ‘past’ as a dynamic elastic ethical substance.”

    There you go, not self-reflecting again, and still needing a scapegoat!!

    Please! All you need to do is ACCEPT that you are just as human as the goyim, then the vice versa may happen. The goyim are human, like you; stop exploiting everything you can.

  162. anonymous[242] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jim Christian

    certainly not to fight anyone beyond the capabilities of third-world shit-holes.

    True that, but more than reflecting badly on those “third-world shit-holes,” what does it say about your first-world pussy-holes (America, Britain, France…)? Surely, the ignominy should be an order of magnitude more on your pussy-hole nations, yeah?

  163. @Fran Taubman

    Despite the Zionist promise to introduce introspection, morality and universal thinking to the emerging Hebrew culture, the Jewish State has failed to break away from the Jewish past because it doesn’t really grasp the notion of the ‘past’ as a dynamic elastic ethical substance.”

    There you go, not self-reflecting again, and still needing a scapegoat!!

    Please! All you need to do is ACCEPT that you are just as human as the goyim, then the vice versa may happen. The goyim are human, like you; stop exploiting everything you can.

  164. anonymous[222] • Disclaimer says:
    @SafeNow

    whether Iranian leaders truly understand and believe that “Never Again” means exactly what it says. U.S. presidents have visited Yad Vashem, and they understand. But do the Iranians?

    what a total bullpucky statement.

    a. “Never again” would have meaning if the first event actually happened, but it didn’t so it doesn’t

    b. U.S. presidents have visited Yad Vashem and they understand
    U.S. presidents have visited Disneyworld. Nixon understands how to ride a carousel, Reagan got a helicopter’s eye view of the place.
    How is a visit to the Jewish Disneyland — which, btw, overlooks the scene of the Jewish slaughter of Palestinian villagers at Der Yassin — any different?

    c. Do the Iranians [understand]?

    You bet they do — they watched the whole thing unfold, then they spoke out what they understand:

    Despite the best efforts of legions of holocaust fraudsters, more and more people the world over are discovering the hoax of the holocaust.
    (as well, Iranians have long had a history of being excellent equestrians — the breathing kind, not wooden, like Nixon’s horse)

    Give it up, liar.

  165. geokat62 says:
    @AaronB

    Break free of your chains and live spontaneously and joyously again, stop taking life so seriously – and you whites will rediscover your vitality.

    Shorter AaronB: “Don’t resist, goy. Enjoy your impending demise – i.e., go quietly into the night!”

    • Replies: @renfro
  166. K14 says:
    @Tom Verso

    The enemy of Jews are Jews themselves not Muslims….who took Jews as refugees many times over in history.

    And how did the Jews repay their hosts?!

    Here is a very important teaching for anyone who wishes to live in this transient world with inner peace:

    “ingratitude to those who do good to you is ingratitude to God”

    Now when that sin is repeated time and again and God decides to punish ingrats than there is nowhere in the entire universe where they can hide from divine wrath!

    “They plan and we plan and Allah is the best of planners” (Quran)

    Weed cannot grow in the desert!

  167. anonymous[224] • Disclaimer says:
    @Caruthers

    White nationalism is widely excoriated as “racist”, while any criticism of Jewish tribalism is similarly excoriated as “antisemitic” and therefore racist. This fatuous and outrageous double-standard should be recognized for hypocrisy that it is.

    No double strandards here; WN and Jewish tribalism, whatever that means are not the same thing. WN is about being white and is against the all the non-whites – it is racism, indeed it is. Jewish tribalism, I am going with the term, is about being a Jew and Jews come in all colors. There is no racism in it.

    WN is exclusive, one cannot become white if he isn’t white. Judaism accepts people of all races and nationalities. You can become a Jew.

    In defining himself as “not Jewish,” Gilad is rejecting the racial categorization that is the core of the ideology of Jewishness. Bertrand Russell wrote an essay entitled “Why I Am Not A Christian.” Those who dispute Gilad’s similar non-Jewishness expose the racial orientation of their own politics and self-identification.

    Russel said it once. Atzmon will have to repeat it at least once a week. And he does. Because there is a difference here: one thing is to explain what is that you disagree with regarding something, and another to attemt to persuade yourself that you are not who you are. The latter is impossible to do.

    You think his phone doesn’t ring on the Jewish holydays? He doesn’t speak Hebrew, he doesn’t answer the calls, doesn’t laugh with his Israeli friends and doesn’t say “Hag sameach” when they say it to him? He does!

    And the next day he goes online and writes again: I am no Jew, I am no Jew, I am no Jew! No, I am not a Jew. I am a gentile now! I hate Israel. I hate Judaism. I am a philosopher, from Athens. Not a Jew. Israel is going to Hell. Jews too. I am not going to Hell. I am not a Jew. Gaza Mon Amour! Free Palestine!

    • Agree: AaronB
    • Replies: @geokat62
  168. K14 says:
    @Art

    not to mention the dammage caused by pedophilia within family members. Even Freud went through it and instead of seeking medical help for himself he sold the evil practice as some normal phenomenon to the gullible public…

    • Replies: @Art
    , @annamaria
  169. anonymous[224] • Disclaimer says:
    @renfro

    In the real world of science anyone can stop being a Jew because Jews are a religion….they are not “a people” or a ‘distinct race’ ….if they leave Judaism they are in effect no longer Jewish.

    No this is not that simple.

    Judaism is a religion. Jews are people around the religion. There is a secular crowd around the religion and all of these prople are Jews too, but secular. It was during the Middle Ages when such a crowd was thin, but existed even then. In the ancient Israel, in the diasporas there has been such a secular crowd at all times. Secular Jews are called am ha’aretz and are considered almost gentiles. Religious Jews do not create families with secular ones. However, there is no question that secular Jews are Jews too, and it has been so at all times.

    ‘Secular Jews’ who claim they are Jewish do so because they are in the cult of Zionism and Jews as some special people, despite the fact that there is no such thing as a unique Jewish gene or DNA or blood.

    There is no such thing as unique American DNA and that doesn’t mean that the Americans are not a people, or nation. Other things are important much more than biological factors. You are focused on the material side of things which is not even conscious; and we are what we think, what we feel and what we remember. The culture we live in, our friends, the language we speak, the songs we sing are much more important in defining who we are than genes, DNA, blood and skin tone.

    • Replies: @renfro
  170. Svigor says:

    I don’t understand this piece. Israel has nuclear weapons. A lot of them. But they aren’t even mentioned.

    • Replies: @TRM
  171. Svigor says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    Yeah but you don’t even address the issue. Seems to me that GoI would nuke Iran in the scenario you describe. Probably in “proportional” strategy, sorta like what USG (ostensibly) did to Japan; drop one on a city, wait and see if Iranians keep up their attack, drop another nuke on another city if they do, repeat until Iranians stop attacking.

    Israel has a large nuclear arsenal, so they could afford to be really nice and show their willingness to deploy nukes on Iranian soil by dropping the first one on a depopulated or lightly populated area, like a desert.

    • Replies: @Ace
    , @Gilad Atzmon
  172. Israel is not a democracy but a Nakbacracy. Democracy means rule by majority, but the original majority of Palestine, the Palestinians, were removed. Nakba pogroms pushed those people out and created an artificial majority by letting in tons of Jewish colonizers who became the new dominant group.

    Jewish Power is now turning US(and the West in general) into a Nakbacracy. The original majority people of US nation was white, but via massive non-white immigration, they are being replaced by the rise of non-white majority that side with Jewish Power.

    One weird thing about the Democratic coalition is that non-white(who are often ‘anti-liberal) increasingly supply the votes, but all the politicians are vetted by Jewish supremacist donors whose cultural and political agendas are globo-homo campaigns and neo-imperialist wars waged on non-white nations.

    • Agree: annamaria
  173. anarchyst says:
    @Twodees Partain

    I hope you are right, but, please be aware that JEWS were a part of the Manhattan project and DID have access to classified material on nukes.

    Regards,

  174. FB says: • Website

    Well…this article proves once again that Atzmon is a dissembler and troublemaker…

    What is the point of this article, other than to make more scary noises about a ‘conflict’ that need not happen…?

    In fact, Atzmon is here doing nothing but playing up the so-called Iran ‘threat’…the major hobgoblin of the Likudnik/neocons…which is right where Atzmon fits in…

    Let’s review the premise of this article…supposedly, a conflict could break out any time and Israel would suffer heavy damage…and that’s it…no rhyme nor reason other than the simple fact that Israel and Iran could go to war…

    But over what…?

    Well…we get a clue from the jumping off point of this entire narrative, which is a scaremongering article by the notorious Michael Oren…which starts thus…

    The senior ministers of the Israeli government met twice last week to discuss the possibility of open war with Iran.

    They were mindful of the Iranian plan for a drone attack from Syria in August, aborted at the last minute by an Israeli air strike, as well as Iran’s need to deflect attention from the mass protests against Hezbollah’s rule in Lebanon.

    The ministers also reviewed the recent attack by Iranian drones and cruise missiles on two Saudi oil installations, reportedly concluding that a similar assault could be mounted against Israel from Iraq.

    This is pretty thickly laid on bullshit…the ‘mass protests’ in Lebanon are hardly directed against Hezbollah…that’s simply absurd…in fact there is plenty of reason to suspect that both the Lebanese and Iraqi protests are being hijacked by malign foreign players…namely the US…

    The strike on the Saudi oil facilities was carried out by the Houthis, who are defending against a war of aggression by Riyadh…I remind that no US military official has said those missiles were launched from Iran…because they know it isn’t so…

    So Atzmon decides that the Oren narrative needs to be proselytized to ‘alternative’ media readers here on this website…even though Oren’s credibility is zero…?

    Even the warmonger Hillary considered Oren too extreme and dangerous…as we see from this diatribe in the Jerusalem Post from 2016, denouncing Hillary, her confidante Sidney Blumenthal and his ‘anti-Semite’ son Max…

    So UNZ readers may ask, why is supposed ‘good guy’ Atzmon, taking the Oren football and running with it…?

    That’s not to say that Iran is not a problem…many reflexively jump to Iran’s side in this debate, while overlooking the fact that Iran has been hewing a maximalist line against Israel…even Russia is put off by these extreme politics, which are in fact the mirror image of the religious fanaticism we see coming from the Zionist side…

    The simple fact is that international law and UN Security Council resolutions require Israel to leave the occupied territories UNCONDITIONALLY…this will solve most of the problems…eventually this will happen, as the only obstacle is the US, which, although it supported those LEGALLY BINDING resolutions, has acted to shield Israel as it thumbs its nose at supreme international law…

    But nothing lasts forever…and at some point, the US may change its mind, or be weakened enough [due to its own oligarchic self-destruction] that it may have no choice but to cut Israel adrift…until that time, we need to ratchet down tensions and stop this talk of supposedly inevitable war with Iran…

    Bottom line is that no rational person wants to see a war between Israel and Iran…except the insane neocons…so what is the point of promoting such scenarios…?

  175. geokat62 says:
    @anonymous

    WN and Jewish tribalism, whatever that means are not the same thing.

    I completely agree! So-called white nationalists (i.e., nationalists of European descent) are in favour of self determination for every group that shares a common language, religion, heritage. Jewish Supremacists, on the other hand, oppose nationalism for every other group excerpt for themselves. And they oppose if for one simple reason… it was long ago determined that nationalism among the goys Is Not Good For The Jews as it leads to antisemitism, and antisemitism leads to pogroms.

    Hence, nationalism for me, but not for thee!

    • Replies: @Caruthers
  176. Dannyboy says:
    @AaronB

    Thanks for the advice Jewboy, now fuck off back to your ill-gotten patch of dirt in the Middle East and take a kike under each arm with you.

    • LOL: FB
    • Replies: @AaronB
  177. renfro says:
    @geokat62

    ”and you whites will rediscover your vitality”

    I think we can safely say AaronB isn’t white.
    My guess would be Asian or Indian Jew….or maybe just Indian and not a Jew, perhaps just using the Jew thing since India and Israel are allies and India has influence thru the Jews.
    I have encountered some Indians who run Handy Marts and such around here and they have a sort of snarly, hostile, envious attitude towards whites , very much like AaronB .

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  178. Cleburne says:
    @AaronB

    Very sophisticated trolling, “Aaron.” I’m honestly mildly impressed.

    • Replies: @Not Raul
  179. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @renfro

    To which Ukraine deal are you referring?

    DNC operative Alexandra Chalupa has just been called (by Nunes) to testify in the impeachment hearings. In early 2016, she solicited the aid of Ukrainian Embassy personnel to find dirt on Donald Trump. Ukrainian collusion resulted in firing of Paul Manafort.

  180. Iris says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    Samson option is when when the genocidal is also suicidal …

    Come on, psychopathic Israel is NOT suicidal. They love themselves too much.

    Israelis are ready to nuke us goyim out of the planet, while in the meantime they have been preparing, for decades, extended nuclear shelters in Patagonia, the region of the world to be less affected by radioactive fallouts after a nuclear war.

    Israelis have exerted all sorts of violent pressure and blackmail on Argentina to that effect, including the criminal sabotage and sinking of submarine ARA San Juan.

  181. AaronB says:
    @Dannyboy

    No – I’m gonna give you even more advice, again and again 🙂

    You need it. You need Jews to heal you lol.

    • Replies: @Dannyboy
  182. Anon[200] • Disclaimer says:

    If Israhell is destroyed, where will all the Jews go after JUSA and Jeurope goes down in flames with all the immigration and external wars that they advocated for us? I think I might actually wish for Israhell to flourish and do well, and for all the Jews to return and turn it into the Jutopia that they think God promised them. Jewrusalem should be for Jews only. All Arabs should be out of Israhell. Give the Jews their own country, then we can have our country/continent back. It’s time for Jews and USA/Europe to decouple, completely.

    All the animosity is unnecessary. Jews have more in common with Arabs and Persians than they do with the West — all the dishonesty, unscrupulousness, greed, over sensitivity, pleasure seeking, ostentatiousness…birds of a feather…

    • Replies: @Anon
  183. renfro says:
    @anonymous

    There is no such thing as unique American DNA and that doesn’t mean that the Americans are not a people, or nation.

    American is a nationality. Americans are a people thru American citizenship.

    Jews have no nationality. Only a Jew with Israeli citizenship has a ‘nationality’ or is a people with a nation.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  184. @Patric

    I suggest you go to Hiroshima museum and see how realistic it is to ascribe what you find there to a mere firebombing. I am not even talking about numerous tests with earthquakes induced by them registered.

    • Replies: @Mike P
  185. Truth3 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    You aren’t American… you’re a sophistic parasite. Get lost.

  186. Kiel says:
    @AaronB

    Gilad Atzmon has what Orwell called inverted tribalism.

    It is actually the exact same disease suffered by most whites today – they do not cast off their tribalism, it just takes the form of hatred of their own group. Orwell described it in regards to the English intellectualls of his day.

    Whites today are not “pathologically altruistic” – the silliest theory ever invented – they are actively hostile to their own group, out of inverted tribalism.

    It is a very extreme, virulent form of tribalism – far worse than the innocent and normal one of love of ones group, because it is primarily negative and hateful in orientation rather than loving.

    Absolutely agree, thanks for lending a name to what I have observed and experienced to be dead-on accurate my entire life.

    We should celebrate the fact that only a minority of Jews have acquired this disease – sadly, a majority of whites have it bad. The Jews like Atzmon that have gotten this disease picked it up from gentile white culture, obviously – all the more reason all Jews should move to Zion.

    Thankfully, our robust immune system – a culture that connects one to emotion and makes life fun – has largely protected us from this virus, but its a danger all the same.

    I would only conditionally agree with this. In my experience, for what it’s worth, Joos are only connected by what I’ve referred to it as ‘The Cult of the Other’, in that their identity is completely defined by who they are not. If you remove ‘The Other’, the cellular membrane would be lost which maintains the integrity of the whole, and the organism would die. Another way to put it; gather all the Joos in the world together on one island, and I’m guessing they’ll be cannibalizing each other in about 6 weeks.

    Although, I’m sure an actual intelligent person already has identified, labeled, and published-on what my cobbled words/ideas above are getting at.

    Don’t get me wrong, both sides suck, but suck equally hard in different ways. And, isn’t that what we’re going for, diversity? I’d like to see both sides lose in the end.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @Gilad Atzmon
  187. My money is on Isreal ending life on much of the globe. It’s just a hunch. Then in the centuries following the event, there will emerge a cleverly constructed narrative about how the greatest suffering and loss of life was borne by the Jews. And the cycle will begin again.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  188. Dannyboy says:
    @AaronB

    Americans and Europeans need Jews about as much as I need bleeding hemorrhoids.

    Make Aliyah now…while you still can.

    • Replies: @anon
  189. @A123

    Everyone understands that a minor Iranian miscalculation could lead to total war. One in which nuclear bombs would rain down on Iran leaving its cities, economy, and security in ruins.

    By everyone, are you referring to Jews?
    How many times does the IAEA have to report that all of Iran’s fissile material is accounted for? Translation: they do not have a weapons program. Maybe China will trade nukes for oil, but somehow, I doubt that.

  190. anon[837] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dannyboy

    You can feel Aaron’s contempt for goyim dripping in everything that he writes. Basically rubbing in our faces the destruction of formerly Western societies with nonsense about “just lighten up and enjoy life like we jews do.” Fuck the kikes.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  191. Art says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    When they introspect choseness collapses ,,, they become ordinary goyim… simple… it doesn’t happen a lot,,, I can think of a few cases in history. Jesus Christ, Spinoza, Uriel Da Costa, Otto Weninger.. currently Israel Shamir, Paul Eisen and maybe just a few others…

    Gilad,

    I think that there are many young Jews who rebel at their anti-social indoctrination. Some choose to fade away as Jews – but most fall back, they cannot escape the mountain of negativity inculcated in them about their neighbors and humanity as a whole.

    Only a very very few, such as yourself, have the courage and fortitude to buck and fight the dehumanizing system.

    You have my gratitude and admiration — Art

  192. Anon[279] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    All the animosity is unnecessary. Jews have more in common with Arabs and Persians than they do with the West — all the dishonesty, unscrupulousness, greed, over sensitivity, pleasure seeking, ostentatiousness…birds of a feather…

    Not to mention the whole “an eye for an eye” ethos; being vengeful and punitive is such a common theme in that whole region — one hundred infidel/gentile lives for one Muslim/Jewish life…all the food they eat(hummus anyone?), endless rituals surrounding religion…so much in common, practically cousins. Jews can’t escape who they are even after 2,000 years in the diaspora and all the miscegenation, it’s in their DNA. Time for them all to go back to Jutopia, they do not belong in the West.

    • Replies: @Miggle
    , @Bookish1
  193. Truth3 says:

    Jewish scumbag Troika of the day…

    A123, Aaron B, Fran Linda Taubman Rice.

    Go collect your foreskins, dirty hasbarite devils.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  194. @Fran Taubman

    Better hope that YHWH does not once again command the Israelites to totally destroy their neighbors.

    Palestinians might disagree with your view that genocide is far from the minds of the Israelis.

  195. Art says:
    @K14

    not to mention the dammage caused by pedophilia within family members. Even Freud went through it and instead of seeking medical help for himself he sold the evil practice as some normal phenomenon to the gullible public…

    to the gullible public…

    K14,

    A whole lot of very smart people bought into Freud. Think of all the people who were hurt and wasted their lives on Freudian psychoanalytic crap.

    Art

    p.s. Reality Therapy – William Glasser — does the anti-Fraud thing of involving the therapist with the patient.

  196. anonymous[224] • Disclaimer says:
    @renfro

    American is a nationality. Americans are a people thru American citizenship.

    No it is not the same thing. An new immigrant with the American citizenship is not an American. He is a citizen, but doesn’t belong to the culture. He can live in China Town and be Chinese. The Russian Jews in Brighton Beach are not Americans.

    Jews on the other hand do have nationalities – eidot, like Ashkenazi, Sephardi, et cetera but belong to one Jewish nation, same as Americans can be of this or that origin but at the same time are one nation. A people and a nation are not the same thing.

    • Replies: @Olivier1973
    , @Bookish1
  197. @anonymous

    You really are a deluded cuck aren’t you?

    • Replies: @Caruthers
  198. @utu

    Iran does not have 4,000 missiles that could reach Israel.

    How about the Iranian missiles [that are claimed to be stored] in Lebanon? If true, they can be thrown into Occupied Palestine by hand, can’t they?

  199. Mike P says:
    @AnonFromTN

    [Nuke Hoax comments are off-topic and likely to be trashed.]

    • Troll: Mike P
  200. @AaronB

    Pay your own way.
    I can, however, contribute some used underwear and socks.

  201. Geowizz says:
    @Miro23

    What happens next might be interesting.

  202. @Really No Shit

    Actually, I think that is exactly what the Abrahamic Deity(AKA: Satan) has in mind…..

  203. @renfro

    ‘I think we can safely say AaronB isn’t white.
    My guess would be Asian or Indian Jew…’

    He’s white. This is just more of his bullshit.

    • Disagree: Pheasant
  204. @Truth3

    ‘Jewish scumbag Troika of the day…

    ‘A123, Aaron B, Fran Linda Taubman Rice.

    ‘Go collect your foreskins, dirty hasbarite devils.’

    Add Lyin' Zion, and Lot. A Quintet!

    There's some other shmuck who comes through about once a month and always puts up exactly the same post. He’s not a bot — he reads and responds to posts as well — but he always leads off with the same bit of debunked Zionist drivel.

    …’debunked Zionist drivel…’ Now there’s a redundant expression. In seventeen years, I’ve never seen a Zionist offer up an argument that hadn’t already long been discredited. It’s like arguing with flat-earthers…who kill.

    • Replies: @Sean
  205. AaronB says:
    @anon

    No contempt, my friend. I have more respect for you than you do yourselves.

    You see yourself as these powerless losers victimized by Jews, I see you as capable of great potential if you stop suppressing yourselves and learn how to be authentic and spontaneous again.

  206. Caruthers says:
    @AaronB

    The genocides depicted in the Torah and still celebrated today, as well as the commands in the Talmud and by revered rabbis to exterminate “Amalek”, demonstrate the aggressive murderousness that has always been immanent in Jewish mentality, in Jewish culture. As do the heady participation of secular Jews in Bolshevik atrocities (as noted by Mr. Unz) and their leadership in neoconservative warmongering today.

    The fact remains that anyone with the right ancestry is automatically considered Jewish, with no need to “convert.” The occasional “conversion” to Judaism does not alter its essentially racialist nature, anymore than the occasional acceptance (which did happen) of those with substantial Jewish ancestry as Aryans alters the essentially racialist nature of Nazi ideology. This is all the more clear from the details of conversion to Judaism: I understand the convert must “adopt” new Jewish parents and renounce his previous non-Jewish ancestry. In other words, conversion amounts to changing one’s race (that is, one’s racial identification and loyalty).
    Moreover, it is impossible to “become” a secular Jew, proving, as Gilad has long noted, that the intense Jewish identification of secular Jews is thoroughly racialist in nature.

  207. Caruthers says:
    @geokat62

    This hypocritical racialism is unique to Jews.

  208. AaronB says:
    @Kiel

    I wish I could take credit, but I really got it from Orwell. He probably got it from someone. Nothing new under the sun.

    It seems so blindingly obvious. The attitude obviously isn’t altruism, it’s self hate. Its loyalty to other tribes. Its inverted tribalism.

    As for Jews needing enemies, I think there’s a deeper thought here. Bear with me, I know it sounds wooly headed, but you’re on the verge of a real breakthrough.

    Things come into existence only in pairs. Light and dark are a single inseparable pair. You can’t isolate one. To distinguish one, you need the other.

    If there were only Jews on the world, Jews wouldn’t exist. Jews can only be distinguished against a background of non Jews.

    But this is true of everything. Therefore there is a common underlying ground to everything.

    Our skin connects is to everything as much as is separated us. As you say.

    That’s why conflict is illusory. I am not really bothered by anti Semitism because Jews and anti Semites have a common underlying reality.

    In this sense all.is One.

    Once you realize this, so anxiety ceases, life becomes a game, and you realize nothing bad can ever really happen. That is the truth of religion.

    Since everything is related, there is no single thing to isolate and grasp, to hold on to. Its Buddhism.

    Have I lost my mind? You decide.

    • LOL: geokat62, Art
    • Replies: @FB
    , @Colin Wright
    , @Kiel
    , @Bookish1
  209. @A123

    “— What wacky conspiracy theory is the “Samson Option”?”

    I find it very interesting that someone here does not know the story of Samson. Obviously he does not know that the bible is a long list of crimes and war crimes and genocids.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  210. Sean says:
    @Colin Wright

    Iran has world class drones and rockets, but what a good thing they are not capable of a troll farm operation targeting a site like this. Also good that individual Muslims never come here commenting on foreign policy while not revealing the dog they have in the fight. And going on and on about Israel, which seems a nation state not very different to the type one the Palestinians want.

    In seventeen years, I’ve never seen a Zionist offer up an argument that hadn’t already long been discredited. It’s like arguing with flat-earthers…who kill.

    The Earth has only so much land, so there are clashing interests between peoples. Who would suppose that such conflicts could be settled by arguments, rather than force?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Olivier1973
  211. @A123

    “The sociopath, Ayatollah Khameni”

    Yeah, the one building nuclear weapons and threatening to use them on a country without nuclear weapon is the sociopath without any human quality:

    https://www.tehrantimes.com/news/440961/Ayatollah-Khamenei-Use-of-nuclear-bomb-is-absolutely-anti-sharia

    Accusing others of your mental illness is common.

    • Agree: Iris
    • Replies: @anon
  212. Hesse says:
    @Miro23

    The problem for Israel is that boots on the ground aren’t going to be in the numbers needed. The American military may help on on various levels, but they’re won’t be support from the troops. Latins don’t like Israel, or Jews in general, Blacks are primarily ineffective support troops, Whites of Celtic stock won’t be volunteering for Middle East wars anytime soon, and the Leftist wad are anything but military material. Bring back the draft and we will see massive draft riots with potential mutinies on local levels. American Jews aren’t interesting in actual fighting, the amount making Aliyah is insignificant at best. Let’s face it, the Israelis will be given financial, intelligence and high tech support from the US, not divisions. Europe is a shell of UN police troops; no help there. And the Arab ‘allies’ are not going to be involved in anything more than mobs incited over the Sunni/Shite issue. For these reasons it is difficult to imagine an Iranian war for the Chosen. The Jewish state has plenty of vassals, but no Allies willing to fight for it. Mercenary auxillaries are unlikely to swing the balance in favor of the Tribe. No, we will see continuing policies of chiseling territories from the Palestinians, and more of the kind of successful subversion operations that we see in the West. At least until the chaos that they seem to thrive on induces civil collapse, in which time Chinese and Russian will taught to the upwardly mobile youth of the remaining ‘republics’.

    • Replies: @Miro23
  213. @anonymous

    “He is a citizen, but doesn’t belong to the culture.”

    Yeah, a culture of racism and genocids. Exactly like Israel. Comes from the bible and the messianic mission. Mental illness. Unfortunately.

  214. Jews of the Ocean [11. 12, take your prick pick]

    I am very, very, very dangerous!!!

    • LOL: renfro
  215. @Sean

    ‘…The Earth has only so much land, so there are clashing interests between peoples. Who would suppose that such conflicts could be settled by arguments, rather than force?’

    Sean, you’re a Zionist. Why should I bother to deal with your recycled arguments?

  216. FB says: • Website
    @AaronB

    Have I lost my mind? You decide.

    [MORE]

  217. @Olivier1973

    ‘I find it very interesting that someone here does not know the story of Samson. Obviously he does not know that the bible is a long list of crimes and war crimes and genocids.’

    That reinforces my conviction that A123 can’t be Jewish.

    He’s way too stupid. Even Fran looks like an Einstein next to him.

    • LOL: Fran Taubman
  218. @AaronB

    ‘…Have I lost my mind? You decide.’

    I’m afraid you can’t offer that excuse, Aaron. You’re clearly sane and responsible for the morality of the positions you take.

  219. @A123

    Iran hasn’t started a war in 200 years. I think they’re not in a hurry to break their current status, despite any noises to the contrary. (As it is, there are still a number of deep state mercenary actors around, even in Iran, trying to maintain trouble…)

  220. George 2 says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    Israel does not trust Trump on Iran possibly because Trump understands that war with Iran will be a very different proposition than war with Iraq or Afghanistan. Even if the U.S. and Israel can mount an effective non-nuclear military campaign, (dubious since the U.S. is more concerned with being welcoming to transgenders and having men wear high heels and Israel got it’s ass handed to it the last time out against Hezbollah), the Iranians can easily close the straight of Hormuz. That would plunge the entire world into chaos. The non-nuclear military option would require about 600,000 troops. The U.S. is bankrupt.

    As a personal aside, I think I speak for many Americans who understand that Israel lied through it’s teeth about Iraq have nukes. I might be inclined to believe that the CIA was incompetent and did not know but Mossad certainly knows everything going on in it’s own backyard. Israel wanted the U.S. to take out Saddam and we did it for them.

    If war with Iran comes I don’t think I am alone in saying that we had better see some Israelis coming home in body bags this time. Not just Americans. After all why should we have all the fun?

  221. Kiel says:
    @AaronB

    I wish I could take credit, but I really got it from Orwell. He probably got it from someone. Nothing new under the sun.

    Nonetheless, thanks for the breadcrumb.

    It seems so blindingly obvious. The attitude obviously isn’t altruism, it’s self hate. Its loyalty to other tribes. Its inverted tribalism.

    A quirk of fate, or by design, the results are the same

    As for Jews needing enemies, I think there’s a deeper thought here. Bear with me, I know it sounds wooly headed, but you’re on the verge of a real breakthrough.

    Probably not, but I’ll play along.

    Things come into existence only in pairs. Light and dark are a single inseparable pair. You can’t isolate one. To distinguish one, you need the other.

    Yes, I think the Chinks call it ‘The Ying and The Ding’.

    If there were only Jews on the world, Jews wouldn’t exist. Jews can only be distinguished against a background of non Jews.

    Well, they probably would. But I think they’d self segregate like The Returning Post Exilic Pretentious Cocksuckers vs. The Highland Hillbillies Who Never Left vs. The Samaritans. But, I get your point.

    But this is true of everything. Therefore there is a common underlying ground to everything.

    The phrase, ‘We’re all full of shit, and it all stinks.’, comes to mind.

    Our skin connects is to everything as much as is separated us. As you say.

    I did sort of say that!

    That’s why conflict is illusory.

    Now you’re sounding like a man who’s never been punched.

    I am not really bothered by anti Semitism because Jews and anti Semites have a common underlying reality.

    That I’m not a fan of either group? Wait, are you saying Jews are Semites? I’m confused.

    In this sense all.is One.

    In my mind, yes, they both look alike to me. Is that racist?

    Once you realize this, so anxiety ceases, life becomes a game, and you realize nothing bad can ever really happen.

    Uh, I’ve spent some time working burn units on rotations, I assure you, bad things can happen.

    That is the truth of religion.

    By the way, if you bump into Israel Finkelstein or Neil Asher Silberman over there, tell ’em Kiel says thanks.

    Since everything is related, there is no single thing to isolate and grasp, to hold on to. Its Buddhism.

    Aaron, are you a BuJoo? What would your mother say?

    Have I lost my mind? You decide.

    Well, you don’t sound like an Ultra Orthodox, so I’m going to give you a pass . . . for now.

    :o)

  222. TRM says:

    It is called the “master race philosophy” and it is very common. By luck of group membership, usually conferred by birth but not always, you are better than others and your life is worth more. There are dozens of examples throughout history and it has a 100% failure rate. The master race always ends up getting decimated. No exceptions.

    Jews are the same as other humans. No better, no worse. The proof of that is that they fall for the same master race nonsense and the same excuses offered up by their religious and political leaders.

    1) We really are the master race. All those others clearly were not but trust us, we really are.
    2) This time it’s different or our situation is different.
    3) God is on our side or god has chosen us.
    4) We are more intelligent/smarter.

    All those have been trotted out by various religious and political leaders over the millennia again and again. They all end up getting decimated. 100% of the time. Unless the Jewish community starts calling out their religious and political leaders when they utter this nonsense they will be decimated. There some that do not “drink the koolaid” and they get lambasted by the “true believers”. Thank you Gilad Atzmon, Max Blumenthal and all the others who are not falling for it. There may be hope yet.

    The appeal of the master race philosophy is that you don’t have to be world class in art, music, academics, sports or anything. Just being part of this group makes you better than others and your life worth more. Very appealing and seductive and very wrong. Fatally wrong.

    Sadly it claims a lot of very bright humans. The hubris kicks in and they actually start believing their own lies. Albert Einstein said Germany was a “nation of philosophers” and he was right. Very well educated and bright with a strong philosophical bent. If a nation of philosophers can fall for the master race nonsense then who is kidding who that “it can’t happen here”?

    It is happening in Israel. Seize living room to the east, forced confinement in a ghetto (Gaza) for millions, economic exploitation and a caste system with the master race on top. To not see the parallels between modern Israel and 1930s Germany requires blinders of epic proportions.

    If there is a god I’m thinking it must be Loki. The mischievous troublemaker of Nordic legend who plays “Groundhog Day” with humans to see just how stupid we are and how many times we will fall for the same lies.

    Not all Jews are Zionists and not all Zionists are Jews. Here is hoping the non-Zionists win.

    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @Bookish1
  223. TRM says:
    @Svigor

    Chemical factories in Israel and Dimona. Hit those with conventional rockets and you have the same effect.

    Yes Iran would be obliterated but so would Israel. Iran would have larger losses but their population is also much larger. It is the classic mutually assured destruction scenario.

    Pakistan also has nukes although they are tied up with India that could change.

    How many nukes have gone missing? Pakastan, Khazakstan, Ukraine? Dozens to possibly a hundred. Black market wouldn’t care or know who was really getting them. Iran may already possess them.

    Then you have dirty bombs that Iran would retaliate with. Lots of spent fuel that would make Tel Aviv a wasteland.

  224. @Tom Verso

    Im sure the Iranian guard combined with the SAA and Hezbollah could flatten the IDF tomorrow.
    What would worry me is that a certain country would likey (try to) use nukes on those countries, Iran, Lebanon, Syria. (Of course according to VT they have already). Would Erdogan respond? he isnt a fan of Bibi. Maybe hed put aside his ‘run with the hares hunt with hounds’ and join in..then what…What would the crooks in Riyadh do too? War makes strange bedfellows..

  225. Ace says:
    @AaronB

    Living in wave after third-world invaders, the vicious assaults on free speech, the eviscerated Constitution, the celebration of abortion, feminism, and perversion, and the “civil rights” catastrophe — all Jewish obsessions — isn’t what I’d call “fun,” Aaron. Nor is fighting Israel’s wars and sending billions to these parasites.

    Maybe it’s fun screwing your goyische neighbors but that and Jewish bolshevism weren’t any fun at all for the victims.

    Personally, I think anyone who thinks “having fun” is what you should strive for in life is pretty shallow.

    • Agree: Dannyboy
  226. Miggle says:
    @Anon

    Jews can’t escape who they are even after 2,000 years in the diaspora and all the miscegenation, it’s in their DNA. Time for them all to go back to Jutopia, they do not belong in the West.

    You have it a little wrong there, 279. They originated in the diaspora. First the enormously aggressive proselytizing in the world of empires and safe travel and universal lingua-franca that followed Alexander’s conquests, that had Josephus, the Hebrew Sibyl, and Roman authors writing of the enormous number of Jews on all three continents; then, though there is organized denial and much sweeping under the rug, several Jewish authors who have examined the matter closely confirm the mass conversion of the Khazars.

    If you look at the ancestry of Ashkenaz (Gen. 10:3) and the mythical re-population of the world following the Flood you will see that the proselytes at both ends or Europe found that they had a place in the Bible, that they were Ashkenazim, both west and east. The pretense that significant numbers of German Jews fled east to create an enormous number of Jews in the East, that Askenazi means German, is without historic record. The whole post-Flood population of Europe were descendants of Ashkenaz.

    I read somewhere recently (take it as a rumor) that the number of Jews in China today is astronomical and they’ve been there for over 2000 years. That fits in with the post-Alexander situation even though his conquests didn’t reach beyond the Indus Valley.

    Already at the time of Christ 99.9999 percent of the Jews of the world were and had origins outside Palestine and had no ancestry connected with Judea. And Jesus himself denounces the Pharisaic proselytizing still going on then all over the world, and Paul meets up with Aquila and Priscilla, meets them in Corinth because the Jews had just been expelled from Rome, presumably (it wasn’t the first time) because of the social turmoil caused by that aggressive proselytizing.

    Benjamin Freedman (a Jew who converted to Christianity) wrote in the 1960s of the “so-called” Jews (his term) that if Jesus was a Jew there are no Jews in the world today. But history, the Muslim conquest of Christian Palestine and its aftermath, indicates that the present-day Palestinian Arabs are the original Hebrews.

    And for the so-called Jews of today to go back to “Jutopia” (greater Palestine) would mean more extermination of the real Semites. So please don’t propose that.

    they do not belong in the West.

    Their origins are everywhere, but a large proportion do belong in the West, have their origins in the West, or in North-East Europe.

  227. Ace says:
    @Svigor

    The short-range missile swarm attack that appears to be in the cards for Israel is a certainty early on in this scenario of niceness you have in mind.

  228. Ace says:
    @K14

    That quote from the Koran is gibberish. Verb. sap.

  229. @George 2

    ‘…If war with Iran comes I don’t think I am alone in saying that we had better see some Israelis coming home in body bags this time. Not just Americans. After all why should we have all the fun?’

    We’ll have all the fun because once we have been properly primed, there’ll be a black flag attack, and off we’ll go. Israel won’t have had anything to do with anything, no sirree. Why should she bleed?

  230. Miro23 says:
    @Hesse

    For these reasons it is difficult to imagine an Iranian war for the Chosen. The Jewish state has plenty of vassals, but no Allies willing to fight for it.

    The days of big deployments of US troops are gone. There’s the example of Iraq that was ruinously expensive, and there’s Afghanistan, that alone, is apparently still costing the US the same as the whole Russian defense budget.

    What’s left is the destruction of Iran using missiles. The destruction of its military capability and civilian infrastructure (communications, electricity, water, bridges, industrial plants, oil facilities, ports, shipping, government offices, hospitals etc.). This would easily result in 1 million+ Iranian civilian deaths and would suit Israelis fine – plus it’s doable by the US (although less easy each year – since the Iranians have had time to prepare).

    If the attack goes badly for the US, or takes too long, a general war psychology could introduce US nuclear weapons.

    A better option by far, is for US society to deal with its neocon cancer and make friends with Iran/Russia. And a place to start would be the arrest and questioning of everyone connected to the 9/11 fakery and winkle out who really did what that day.

    • Agree: Iris, annamaria
  231. @George 2

    ‘…Israel wanted the U.S. to take out Saddam and we did it for them…’

    Not just Israel…Iran as well. They also wanted Saddam taken out and they also fed us false intelligence.

    What’s a hoot is that neither one of the two contributed a single soldier to the actual operation — yet they are the two that made it happen and the two that benefitted.

    • Replies: @Really No Shit
  232. Ace says:

    I think your last paragraph overcomplexifies history, Mr. Atsmon. History is not about the ‘past’ as a “dynamic elastic ethical substance.” If ethics enter into it it’s the absolute commitment to accurate, objective analysis of known facts that must be in the mind of the historian.

    There are no ethical lessons about correctly writing the history of Israel’s founding. Creating a correct version of some period or event is a process but it’s what people extract from it may lead to ethical lessons. Such lessons can also be extracted from history known to the reader to be false.

    The story of Israel’s founding is, for example, a fairy tale. Persecuted people return to land ordained by God to be theirs for all eternity. Objections by locals irrelevant. This is the birth defect of Israel, to borrow from Condi Rice. It’s not that Israelis have betrayed their mission by failing to see their past as a “dynamic elastic ethical substance.” It’s that Israel absolutely cannot allow the realities of the Balfour Declaration, WWI, Bolshevism, Weimar, mass third-world immigration, the Fed, political and economic control of America, ME wars, and Palestinian oppression and murder to be discussed. Dishonest anti-anti-Semitism campaigns and implacable hostility to revisionism are Israeli and organized Jewry’s contribution to indecent history.

    • Agree: annamaria
    • Replies: @Ace
  233. Not Raul says:
    @Cleburne

    I’m not the slightest bit impressed.

    Their government spends lavishly on trolling, and this is the best they can do? I thought they were supposed to be smart.

    • Replies: @Cleburne
  234. @Jim Christian

    I do not think that we should try to measure israel’s Operation in rational terms..we can’t think in terms of deterrence or survival … it is projection really at the core of their fears and survival paranoia… they fear of of a 4000 missile raining over Tel Aviv as this is what they would like to do to South Beirut or Tehran…

    • Replies: @Sean
  235. @Kiel

    Yep just a minority of Jews suffers from this counter tribalism thing.. I can name them all: Jesus Christ, Spinoza, Otto Weininger, Uri Avneri, Israel Shamir….. pretty nice family I would say …even nicer than Epstein, Weinstein, Dershowitz and Wexner ,, don’t you think?

    • Agree: Kiel
    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @Kiel
    , @Olivier1973
  236. James8902 says:
    @A123

    Try this book:
    The Samson Option: Israel’s Nuclear Arsenal and American Foreign Policy is a 1991 book by Seymour
    Hersh.

  237. anonymous[224] • Disclaimer says:
    @Caruthers

    The genocides depicted in the Torah and still celebrated today, as well as the commands in the Talmud to exterminate “Amalek”, demonstrate the aggressive murderousness that has always been immanent in Jewish culture.

    You need to stand on higher ground to speak like that. You are not standing on higher ground.

    There are few stories in the Torah that can be classified as genocides and even then – it is arguable. None of that is celebrated. You can talk about Purim but that does not fit to the definition of genocide. Defeating enemies at war is not genocide.

    “Amalek” is a metaphor the meaning of which depends on the school of thought. Some rabbis consider it a reference to enemies of Jews, others – to enemies of God; some consider that Amalek is atheism.

    This is all the more clear from the details of conversion to Judaism: I understand the convert must “adopt” new Jewish parents and renounce his previous non-Jewish ancestry.

    New Jewish parents? Bullshit.

    Reform conversion takes about a month or two; with the Orthodox rabbis it will take 12 months or so and will allow one to repatriate to Israel. Most Jews in the US belong to Reform denomination.

    Moreover, it is impossible to “become” a secular Jew, proving, as Gilad has long noted, that the intense Jewish identification of secular Jews is thoroughly racialist in nature.

    Possible. Reform Judaism doesn’t require much from a convert. Even the hardcore Orthodox rabbis will not follow the convert for too long. You can convert and get Israeli passport, and then go secular.

    I know a chick who did that. Another question is – what for?

    You can do that if you want to go to Israel, otherwise there is no reason except for the sake of becoming a Hasid or something like that. For secular people the best thing is Reform Judaism.

    https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/so-you-want-to-convert-to-judaism-1.5312365

  238. anonymous[224] • Disclaimer says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    You forgot to mention Brother Nathaniel Kapner. And Israel Shahak. And Karl Marx!

    Excellent team.

    • Replies: @Gilad Atzmon
  239. Now I can see why Israel is fighting so desperately to shut down the BDS movement:

    https://visualizingpalestine.org/visuals/divesting-for-justice-timeline

    • Agree: Miro23
  240. @anonymous

    I am afraid that all of them are horrendous gatekeepers,,, I explore the duplicity of the tribal ‘Left’ here …https://gilad.online/writings/2015/5/16/the-jewish-solidarity-spin

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  241. @anonymous

    Defeating enemies at war is not genocide.

    So, given that Organised Jewry declared war on Nazi Germany in 1933, are you saying the Holocaust was neither a genocide, nor even a crime? Would you argue that the Nazis followed the laws of war, at least as they are stated in the Talmud?

    • LOL: Fran Taubman
    • Replies: @anonymous
  242. @renfro

    I do not have any issue with people employing their professional knowledge in an attempt to understand the chaos around them. But at the end of the day, I look at the arguments ppl present and the meaning of those arguments… what these are there to reveal and most important what are they there to conceal. As far as I can tell the tribal solidarity discourse has a clear agenda,, It is designed to control the opposition…

    as far as I can tell.

    JVP for Palestine is like Marxism for Capitalism… i explain it here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbx23Ygj3YM

    … I have very little time for endless discussions on J suffering and Abarbanel;s own suffering… if one insists to go there, I then ask how is it possible that 3 years after the liberation of Auschwitz the young J state cleansed Palestine of its indigenous people …

    BTW, it is very convenient to refer to Palestinians as victims and indulge oneself in victim spiel ,,,, it is way more complicated to support Palestinian resistance or the Right of Return…

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @renfro
    , @renfro
  243. Truth3 says:

    Jews…

    An earthly socio-pathic and highly narcissistic faux tribe operating as a worldwide mafia to fulfill their greed for the wealth of the planet, and their sadistic blood-lust for domination and destruction of others, primarily using nefarious means of control of financial and political systems, and by having the gall to be lying at all times about everything including how others have reacted to their evil in past eras (see the Truth’s definition of anti-semitism below), largely through falsehoods tricked into the consciousness of others via verbal tactics, be it termed propaganda (they invented it) or simply outright sophistry, attempting to whitewash their crimes while conjuring up fictitious accounts that must be obeyed and bowed down to (see Holocaust below).

    Anti-Semitism…

    A smear word designed to silence all righteous opposition to Jewish crimes.

    Holocaust…

    A pre-fabricated narrative whereas 6,000,000 Jews must disappear as smoke to enable the Jews to steal the region of Palestine, even though Jews are 90% Khazar, and not Hebrew. The Germans, and by extension the West, and soon, even Russia under Putin, are guilty of anything the Jews can dream up, yet, cannot defend themselves from these lies, because it’s the Holocaust TM we are talking about… a Jewish scam that outrageously exceeds all others.

  244. Article linked below offers meaningful insight into the Islamic Republic of Iran’s culture, including opposite to what the “gatekeeper” ZUS brags about as having an international lock on exceptional & democratic Family Values, of course within the context of Talmudic guidelines. 😈

    https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/11/09/610810/Khamenei-to-Macron-Stop-calling-me

    Is apparent that the Iranian Government (including Khamenei!) influences the moral fiber of Iran, unlike the US government where everything is up for sale to AIPAC,🇮🇱 and legalized gambling is morally helpful to help fleece shallow-fottune Americans, & keep them scratching state Lottery tickets, consuming stuff minus restraint, and indulging Porn Hub while getting fucked by Tom Selleck’s glorified reverse mortgages.😟

    (Zigh) Should zionized V.P. Mike Pence continue to declare the ZUS as a Christian moral country?🙄 And furthermore, can anyone please tell me, of course beyond the example of Orthodox Christian Brother Nathanael Kapner, where are the Father Coughlin’s of today when you & me need them?

  245. Sean says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    Every people wants a state and is paranoid about others’ machinations. You can find the same defensiveness in every nation state in the world, although maybe not as intense.

  246. anonymous[222] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    You can talk about Purim but that does not fit to the definition of genocide. Defeating enemies at war is not genocide.

    What Purim celebrates did not involve a war but a Jewish takeover of the host government of a nation that had extended security and prosperity to Yehud, to the extent that Persian people contributed their treasure to Yehud to return to and rebuild Jerusalem, their “holy Zion.”

    The only suggestion that anyone wished to harm Jews who made the choice to remain in the more comfortable environs of Persia, was another Jew, Mordecai. There is no evidence or proof that the hair on a single Jewish head was threatened; indeed, no Jewish lives were lost.

    Mordecai is the precursor of Bendersky — http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-secrets-of-military-intelligence/. and Haman prefigures those American military leaders who correctly saw Jews as a threat. A pity neither of them prevailed.

    75,000 Persians plus Haman and his sons were slaughtered at the demand of Jews.

    That’s not a war, that’s a ritual slaughter.

    F%#k Jews.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  247. Oracle says:
    @AaronB

    That’s strange. Many whites feel they have been forced to be only individuals while all the other tribes are allowed—no, encouraged—to practice group identity. We were forced into the proposition nation idea (in other words, we were invaded) and many of us wish we were not the only peoples and cultures being destroyed.

  248. @Colin Wright

    So the Americans are such fools that they can be played like a fiddle not only by the Israelis but also the Iranians… I don’t think so. There is something else that I can’t put my fingers on but obvious ones are Christian-zionism and crude oil and not necessarily in that order.

  249. Whereas the Western world regarded the creation of Israel in May 1948 as a triumph for humanity–the righting for Jews of the terrible wrong of the Holocaust–Israel’s Arab neighbours saw the event as a catastrophe. The argument of the early Zionist leaders that the Jews, through their enterprise and skill, would bring the benefits of modernization to the Palestinian Arabs was not accepted by the latter. They did not think they needed such help, and they feared the usurpation of their ancestral homeland by foreigners who were supported by the major powers–the United States and the Soviet Union in particular.

    Yeah, who’d a thunk this whole “formation of a Jewish homeland” would go sideways before it was all over in the Middle East? Actually, many in power saw this for what it was, an extremely bad idea.
    https://www.britannica.com/topic/Israels-impact-on-the-Middle-East-296745

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  250. annamaria says:
    @K14

    Tell this to the expensive practiti0ners of psychoanalysis, the worshipers of the Fraud of Freud. https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/freud-was-a-fraud-a-triumph-of-pseudoscience/

    He was preoccupied by sex, presumably because of his own problems in that area. His own wife called psychoanalysis “a form of pornography.” He saw everything an infant did as a source of sexual pleasure, from sucking milk to excreting. He was obsessed with masturbation and believed it was the cause of most mental illness. He developed a succession of questionable concepts like virginal anxiety, penis envy, and the Oedipus complex. He decided each hysterical symptom was a depiction of a sexual fantasy; he told one virginal patient that her cough was caused by her unconscious desire to suck her father’s penis.

    Seems that Freud was not a mentally healthy person. And he certainly was not an ethical person:

    Few of his ideas were original. He plagiarized. He borrowed ideas from rivals but then backdated them and treated them as his own. His debts to others were originally acknowledged but “eventually suppressed in favor of the specious appeal to clinical experience. ”He was “actively evasive, malicious, and dishonest” in covering up his mistakes. …

    He treated pampered, rich socialites. His attitude towards them was cynical; they provided a steady source of income by not being cured, and in one case he rushed back to see a patient in the fear that he might get well in his absence.

    Freud about himself:

    I am actually not at all a man of science, not an observer, not an experimenter, not a thinker. I am by temperament nothing but a conquistador – an adventurer, if you want it translated – with all the curiosity, daring, and tenacity characteristic of a man of this sort.

    Freud knew that he was a fraud and he enjoyed being a fraudster:

    He displayed an expanding grandiosity, saying psychoanalysis was the only possible treatment for certain conditions and claiming impressive successes. In reality, he had not achieved a single cure. He knew his claims of healing lacked any basis in fact, and sometimes he said therapeutic success was not his primary aim; rather, he aimed only to give patients a conscious awareness of their unconscious wishes. He told a friend, “we do analysis for two reasons: to understand the unconscious and to make a living…we certainly cannot help [the patients].”

  251. annamaria says:
    @Just another serf

    Alas. See the history of sadism and mass slaughters in Bolshevik Russia, which was followed by the rabid Russophobia of the coreligionists of the mass murderers. See Atlantic Council and other stink tanks infested with ziocons.

    An organizer of GULAG: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naftaly_Frenkel
    An organizer of Holodomor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazar_Kaganovich

    The Jewish Role in the Bolshevik Revolution and Russia’s Early Soviet Regime: https://www.ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n1p-4_Weber.html

  252. anon[157] • Disclaimer says:
    @Olivier1973

    You know you are responding to intellectual dishonesty , emotional ravings, ethnic rantings and the fear of a cornered ‘ mad dog ‘ of Dayan type .

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  253. Oracle says:
    @AaronB

    That’s strange. Many whites feel they have been forced to be only individuals while all the other tribes are allowed—no, encouraged—to practice group identity. We were forced into the proposition nation idea (in other words, we were invaded) and many of us wish we were not the only peoples and cultures being destroyed.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  254. annamaria says:
    @TRM

    If the Jews were as smart as they claim, they would have already defunded and condemned AIPAC as the most dangerous organization for Jews worldwide.

    For now, the tribal mythology and obnoxious beliefs in chosenness and such prevent intelligent Jews from understanding the real existential dangers created by the anti-American/anti-EU (pro-Israel) activities of the Jewish Looby and by the unconditional support for the theocratic apartheid of the Jewish State. The Gaza Ghetto is not about liking or disliking the Palestinians — it is about the end of holo-biz and its sanctimonious (and very profitable for the Jews) moralizing.

    For the last hundred years, the Jews have been busy with undermining the security and prosperity of their own living in the western world. The hysterical nature of the Jewish beliefs in eternal victimhood does no good to Jewish kids. Moreover, the idiocy of exceptionality (disloyalty to a country of residence) and “exceptional victimhood” (holo-biz) is going to metamorphose from projections (making all kinds of assumptions about other people’s and nations’ intentions) into a self-fulfilling prophecy of becoming the undesirables.

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
  255. Bookish1 says:
    @anonymous

    Good point about having a citizenship and still not being American. It makes things clearer.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  256. Bookish1 says:
    @AaronB

    Everything you state is beside the point of the matter being discussed. So what if everything happens in pairs. Sounds like subrate philosophical dribble.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  257. @Gilad Atzmon

    ‘BTW, it is very convenient to refer to Palestinians as victims and indulge oneself in victim spiel ,,,, it is way more complicated to support Palestinian resistance or the Right of Return…’

    Definitely — and the opposition to Israel winds up being emasculated by this.

    So much of their activity comes down to asking that the Jews in Palestine make nice — but we’re not asking that the power relationship change. God forbid.

    It’s like agreeing not to legalize unions or demand one man, one vote — but expecting the land owners and industrial magnates to just redistribute their wealth because they’re such nice guys.

    It never would have happened — and absent a genuine share of the power, the lot of the Palestinians is never going to improve.

  258. @Johnny Walker Read

    The British and Balfour had ‘buyer’s remorse’ early on, and the regret only intensified as zionist Jews behaved with increasing belligerence and Arabs became more outspoken.

    Foreign Policy Documents of U S State Department
    https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1922v02/d222

    Mr. A. J. Balfour to the Secretary of State
    Washington, January 13, 1922.
    My Dear Mr. Hughes: You will remember that some days ago I mentioned my great anxiety to get the agreements in regard to the Mandate for Palestine4 advanced a stage in order that the Council of the League of Nations might give it their blessing at the meeting which is now, I think, going on at Geneva. We have all been so busy that you have not been able to find a moment in which to discuss this matter with me, at which I am by no means surprised; but as it is pressing I venture again to trouble you about it.

    The task which the British Government have undertaken in Palestine is one of extreme difficulty and delicacy. At Paris I always warmly advocated that it should be undertaken, not by Britain, but by the U.S.A.; and though subsequent events have shewn me that such a policy would never have commended itself to the American people I still think that, so far as the Middle East is concerned, it would have been the best. . . .

  259. @Sean

    ‘Every people wants a state and is paranoid about others’ machinations. You can find the same defensiveness in every nation state in the world, although maybe not as intense.’

    Yes — but most people live in states that have been inhabited by themselves, and overwhelmingly themselves — usually for many generations. No one says the Poles shouldn’t be in Poland. We can fight about where the borders should be, and even argue about whether Poland should be completely independent if we must, but no one — except a Nazi — would argue the Poles shouldn’t be there at all.

    Moreover, the foundation of these legitimate states doesn’t include a written agreement to accept smaller borders than the ones they immediately seized and an agreement to respect the property and civil rights of the same population they immediately drove out with fire and sword.

    It’s like you rent the neighbor’s in-law apartment and then immediately take the whole house.

    You point out that I have my whole house too. Yes — but my parents bought it, you see. And they bought it a long time ago. You only moved in last week — and the understanding was that you’d just have the apartment in back.

    • Replies: @Sean
  260. @anon

    [Unnecessary profanity or ethnic slurs in content-free comments may reduce their likelihood of being published.]

    Sounds to me like every motherfucker jew hater on this site.

    emotional ravings, ethnic rantings and the fear of a cornered

    I guess one man’s ceiling is another mans floor.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @annamaria
  261. @Gilad Atzmon

    Does it have anything to do with the fact that they have dropped you and your ideas as being “anti-semitic” I am quoting the gate keepers. They really dumbed you as a valid voice.

  262. anon[420] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Taubman

    But the zionists hang the nations from the ceiling upside down and tell them that they are actually well grounded on the floor of the reality that “mugged “the bastard “Krsitol” . Zionist won’t that surprise visit the gentiles.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  263. annamaria says:
    @Fran Taubman

    The real jew-haters are the rabid zionists who have no respect either for international law or the rules of decency. Your kind is a real danger to the western world as well as to those half-wits that play with zionism like children with a grenade.

    There is nothing virtuous about the artificial toy-country of Israel that comprises of illegal settlers, the former Soviets (some are the progeny of the worst Bolshevic criminals) and religious fanatics. Perhaps people would have taken this toy-state seriously if the Jews worldwide rushed to live in the “promised land.” Never happened. Your lot, despite the non-stop holobiz rhetoric, prefers western civilization to the theocracy and barbarity of the bloody apartheid state of Israel.

    “Why American Jews are moving to Germany:” https://nypost.com/2019/01/05/why-american-jews-are-moving-to-germany/
    “Thousands Of Israelis Now Call Berlin Home:” https://www.npr.org/2019/03/07/700356426/thousands-of-israelis-now-call-berlin-home-and-make-their-cultural-mark
    “Germany Is Moving To End Mass Immigration of Jews From Russia:” https://forward.com/news/4029/germany-is-moving-to-end-mass-immigration-of-jews/

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  264. Sean says:
    @Colin Wright

    The neighbouring Arab countries attacked Israel to win territory for themselves, and lost it instead. It’s true there was coercion where the Palestinian Arabs did not leave, but the Palestinian exodus started more of les spontaneously as a result of them having fled in panic, often while e following their own wealthy class, and the Arabs leadership did initially encourage evacuation although they tried to stop it when the disastrous scale of the uprooting became evident.

    Those who wage offensive war ought to consider very carefully whether the concept of a limited liability war will protect them. Jordan lost the West Bank, and Israel is under no obligation to hand that territory over to Palestinians loudly claiming all Israel. In the very long term, even a squatter acquires rights just by occupying a property.

    • Troll: renfro
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  265. @Bookish1

    ‘Everything you state is beside the point of the matter being discussed. So what if everything happens in pairs. Sounds like subrate philosophical dribble.’

    That’s our Aaron. He seems to be working the morning shift at Starbucks today, but he’ll be back.

  266. Kiel says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    ‘Yep just a minority of Jews suffers from this counter tribalism thing.’

    While it’s been obviously a successful survival strategy for Jews (assuming Jews are actually Jews), is the success really the result of a form of enculturated narcissism?

    I mean, in the very real clinical sense, I’m not even whipping that out there as an insult.

    A few years back, I had a reason to spend a good deal of time researching Cluster B Disorders: Narcissistic, Borderline, Antisocial, Histrionic. More recently, I have been spending time studying the Old Testament to refamilarize myself with all the stories that were inculcated into my head during my youth.

    Many have made the analogy of god as male psychopath, but to me, god really struck me as an erratic emotional stereotypical woman with either Borderline Personality Disorder or Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

    It is not a stretch to understand that a mother or father with NPD or BPD can traumatize their children, and put them as high risk for the very same disorders.

    In reading the Old Testament, I couldn’t help but be struck by the personality of the Israelite’s Mother Goddess, the traumas they suffered (albeit, the majority fictional) under her reign, and the inducement of the narcissistic pathology in ‘her’ children.

    I mean, when ritualized and followed to the letter of the law, the Old Testament almost reads like an MK Ultra manual for trauma based mind control.

    Any Thoughts?

  267. anon[157] • Disclaimer says:

    How often do we have to remind you that the Arab attack in 1948 was limited to the portion of Palestine that was slated for state of Palestine through UN ‘s resolution and never went into Israel proper ( if 1948) ?

    “ those waging offensive war “ –

    Israel has been doing it against Lebanon and By Syria openly for last 13 yrs.
    Israel is engaging in covert war against Iran and openly asking fur the destruction of that country .

    Israel has been instrumental into starting Iraq war and Syrian rebellion .

    Now that cautions about limited liability , you are referring to , won’t sit well with current mad Ziosnist exercising power in Israel . Neither it will sit well with those who eventual victors in this defensive fights against Israel .

    • Replies: @renfro
    , @Fran Taubman
  268. @Gilad Atzmon

    Yoshua was the most tribalist of any Jew in the history. Only his character was completely misunderstood, renamed and his message turned upside down by the renegade Jews and by the Greeks.

  269. Anon[313] • Disclaimer says:
    @utu

    Thanks for a very entertaining and useful comment. They are very deluded, these tough jews. If it wasn’t a problem, it would be the subject for a farce!

  270. @geokat62

    All this is done more efficiently by capitalism.

  271. @Sean

    “The Earth has only so much land, so there are clashing interests between peoples. Who would suppose that such conflicts could be settled by arguments, rather than force?”

    Indeed, why use your brains when you can use your muscles? It looks like you are being contaminated by viewing too many Hollywood movies.

    • Replies: @Sean
  272. @Sean

    ‘The neighbouring Arab countries attacked Israel…’

    Etc. I’d appreciate you tossing me easy pitches — but this has actually gotten old.

    Any neophyte human beings out there who want to hit a few easy homers?

    • Replies: @Sean
  273. @Kiel

    ‘…Many have made the analogy of god as male psychopath, but to me, god really struck me as an erratic emotional stereotypical woman with either Borderline Personality Disorder or Narcissistic Personality Disorder…’

    It’s perfectly possible that’s the truth, of course. Not especially likely from a statistical point of view, but possible.

    • Agree: Kiel
    • Replies: @Kiel
  274. PADOJO says:

    Somebody please tell me, who and what are these Jews impersonating and imitating? They are not chosen by some tribal god with a curcumsized wiener. They and their fictional diety are not only not holy but a fraud. Is there anything really ancient that got creatively boworred (shisted) to suit their needs? It seems to be the case.

    • Agree: Kiel
    • Replies: @Kiel
  275. Ted Heath says:
    @Colin Wright

    Actually this is bs by Gilzad. Originally Zionists were going to share everything equally with the Palestinians if you read the original texts. Gilzad hasn’t it seems. Have you ever heard of Jews sharing everything equally? Neither have I.
    Israel is what it falsely accuses the Nazis of being. End of story. Do hope Netanyahu carries a revolver with him so he can end it all, in some sordid bunker, just as Hitler did.

    • Replies: @Johnny Walker Read
  276. @Rev. Spooner

    The Samson Option includes attacking European cities? Is this correct?
    If so….. what utter bitterness and hate.
    Oh….. wouldn’t there be a retaliation from at least 2 European countries?
    Would there be anything left to call Israel, I wonder. And surviving Jews there and in other parts of the world….. frightening…..

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  277. Kiel says:
    @Colin Wright

    “It’s perfectly possible that’s the truth, of course. Not especially likely from a statistical point of view, but possible.”

    Concern your statistical point, I wonder.

    It seems like a qualified psychologist would have more than enough information in the Old Testament concerning god’s behavior to make an assessment – namely a diagnosis, and then statistically determine the gender likelihood based on the occurrence and distribution of the disorder.

    I’ve looked for articles from professionals on the subject, but only seem able to find the issue addressed by smug atheists selling their brand of religion.

  278. Sean says:
    @Olivier1973

    On the contrary, it is very rare in Hollywood productions for the good guys to not be massive underdogs and yet emerge from battle triumphant. You didn’t know that real word conflicts are pretty monotonously won by the stronger side.

  279. Cleburne says:
    @Not Raul

    Tongue deeply in cheek, my friend. “Aaron” is pretty lame, tbh. It’s like he’s pitching a shittty remake of Fiddler on the Roof: The crude vitality of the Khazar vs the dignity and reserve of the Christian. It’s cringe-worthy more than anything. They truly are not sending their best.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  280. @Not Raul

    He was avoiding my question which he does a lot. I asked how he could write about the Jews being apocalyptic When Islam discusses martyrdom and death as a means to end directly in their preaching and text.

    • Replies: @Not Raul
  281. Kiel says:
    @PADOJO

    “They are not chosen by some tribal god with a curcumsized wiener.”

    LOL!

    There have been more than a few times in the Torah, where I’ve expected God to spring-out on Moses yelling, ‘NO MORE WIRE COAT HANGERS!!!’, like Joan Crawford in Mommy Dearest.

  282. Sean says:
    @Colin Wright

    Who attacked who is not important, it really isn’t because no one ever won a war and then said they were in the wrong to start it and made restitution. The essential point is as soon as partition of mandate Palestine was announced there was fighting in what is now Israel and the Palestinians started to leave. Arabs did not accept the existence of Israel and tried to fight back, and then panicked (not all a substantial, minority stayed put).

    Endlessly complaining that a conflict between two particular peoples in history has a outcome not compatible with good defeating evil, and so must have been a fix, is futile. In a fair fight evil will triumph over good.

    • Troll: renfro
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Pheasant
  283. @anonymous

    You mean, he is a self hating Jew…… why so much verbage, just say it.

  284. @Sean

    ‘… In a fair fight evil will triumph over good.’

    Would you say that resistance is futile?

  285. renfro says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    I have very little time for endless discussions on J suffering and Abarbanel;s own suffering…

    I didn’t say I agree with or accepted the ‘trauma’ excuse…..I just said it is typical for some people to try and explain something by using their particular ‘profession’ to do so,,,,in Abarbanel’s case it is as a psychologist.

    I in fact do not accept ‘victimhood trauma’ as a reason or excuse for Jewish/Zionist/Israeli crimes .
    If Zionist and Israel were a person(s) instead of a state and used trauma as their defense for their madness in a court of law, they would at best be locked up in a mental facility for criminals.

  286. @Cleburne

    ‘… They truly are not sending their best.’

    Maybe they are. We can always hope.

  287. @Wineing Wall

    ‘The Samson Option includes attacking European cities? Is this correct?
    If so….. what utter bitterness and hate.
    Oh….. wouldn’t there be a retaliation from at least 2 European countries?
    Would there be anything left to call Israel, I wonder. And surviving Jews there and in other parts of the world….. frightening…..’

    I guess it’s all part of the brilliant ethnic survival strategy that is modern Israel.

  288. Hossein says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqL048x4msM&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR12nHH5Yhunl7bacCUekJX88sMKfXEMuJTqEzhWxGTTLZ33AZe9BSw8_vc

    The Jewish torture and killing of Palestinian children.

    A shocking video of daily torture of Palestinian children by the Zionists,

    • Agree: Iris
  289. renfro says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    it is way more complicated to support Palestinian resistance or the Right of Return…

    Its not complicated for me……I have converted many uninformed Americans on I-P to Palestine supporters by asking them to imagine that their state of SC or Etc. had been the Jews promised land in 1948 and the Jews had moved in and done the same things to them they did and are doing to Palestine and what they would done about their land and homes being stolen and their families terrorized and turned into homeless refugees.
    Works every time .
    How people feel about immigration today would be nothing compared to what they would have done to the Jews if they had tried that in America ….or most any other country.

  290. renfro says:
    @anon

    Israel has been instrumental into starting Iraq war and Syrian rebellion

    Excerpt from “A World Of Trouble,” by Patrick Tyler on the White House and the Middle East.

    CIA director George Tenet, drunk on scotch at Saudi Prince Bandar’s pool, rants about Bush administration “Jews” who are “setting me up” to take the fall for the false WMD claims on Iraq.
    “They’re setting me up. The bastards are setting me up,” Tenet said, but “I am not going to take the hit.”
    “According to one witness, he mocked the neoconservatives in the Bush administration and their alignment with the right wing of Israel’s political establishment, referring to them with exasperation as, “the Jews.”

    There are enough people in every sector, high and low, of the US that the Jews have screwed to form army …..as Israel gets chipped at more and more they might just come together.

    • Replies: @utu
  291. @anon

    Israel has been instrumental into starting Iraq war and Syrian rebellion .

    How does that work exactly. Did the Jews pay people to murder, like 9//11?
    How do you reconcile that.

  292. @Ted Heath

    Israel is what it falsely accuses the Nazis of being.

    Exactly, as Karl Marx stated: “Accuse Your Enemy Of What You Are Doing, As You Are Doing It To Create Confusion”

    Who would know better than Marx(registered Jewish at birth with a number of rabbinical ancestors)? After all “The Communist soul is the soul of Judaism. Hence it follows that in the Russian revolution, the triumph of Communism was the triumph of Judaism…” Rabbi Harry Waton, in his book, A Program for the Jews and Humanity.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  293. ‘…In a fair fight evil will triumph over good.’

    How can one [Sean] put a ‘fair fight’ in the same sentence with ‘evil’ and ‘good?’

    Evil’s never fair.

    Is the above a product created by the inventors of other BS terms like ‘passive aggressive?’

    Is that why we’re now all ‘winners,’ coz we’re not supposed to fight any longer?

    [drops gloves]

  294. utu says:
    @renfro

    George “Slam Dunk” Tenet get so paranoid that he was afraid of driving around with his family in Washington DC thinking that he might be assassinated. Perhaps he had a good reason to be paranoid when he was forced to do the slam-dunking for the cabal but still it says a lot that the director of CIA is afraid of being hit in the capital of its country. It is possible that our so-called elites have to keep pretending and displaying dissimulation that everything is fine while the reality of the post 9/11 world is totally different. America was attacked and conquered to the point that the chief of CIA is afraid for his and his family life.

    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
    , @Not Raul
  295. Truth3 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Oh Wow… Bitch did you ever ask for it.

    The Israelis and the Jew Neocons did 9/11, and YOU F&%KING KNOW IT.

    Get ready to get your ass kicked.

  296. @anon

    I guess those nations do not know which way is up, cannot blame that on the Jews.
    Everyone needs to know their own coordinates. Get a fucking gyroscope.

  297. @annamaria

    Well at least if we loose our country we can all make Dracula films with all the blood sucking.
    You remind me when you write that the Jews sound like the Borg on Startrek. You know the central organism with all the other organisms tied to it.

    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @Reality Cheque
  298. Bookish1 says:
    @TRM

    Now anyone with any brains knows who the master race is. Sure they got decimated in WW2 but history isn’t written yet. When natural laws prevail, which will happen one day, the master race will be the aristocracy of all races.

    • Replies: @TRM
  299. @Gilad Atzmon

    So Gilad I see on this thread that many people refer those filthy Rothchilds running the world.
    The Rothchidls:

    No longer run a major bank. It is more of a small hedgefund.
    They have completely married outside the religion and no longer consider
    themselves Jews.

    So they are like you x Jews. How does one prove to the world that they are no longer Jews, yet they keep being maligned in the tribal shoot down. Especially the bankers who are no longer Jews or have Jewish last names?

    You always say that if you drop your tribal choosiness you are in the clear.
    (no pun on scientology). Doesn’t seem to work with many of your followers especially the white nationalist who would have a bone to pick with you and other liberal for feminism, gays. immigration and the destruction of the family. So you can not be a Jew and still be blamed for that shit.
    It is all so confusing.

    • Replies: @Wally
  300. Bookish1 says:
    @Anon

    It must be in their DNA. Why else would an old man like George Soros spend his last days trying to fuck over the goyim when all other non jews his age are playing golf and relaxing in the sun.

  301. anonymous[224] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ilya G Poimandres

    So, given that Organised Jewry declared war on Nazi Germany in 1933, are you saying the Holocaust was neither a genocide, nor even a crime? Would you argue that the Nazis followed the laws of war, at least as they are stated in the Talmud?

    Here we have another so-called Buddhist, a liar on his path to rebirth in Hell.

    He is not aware that he is transgressing the basic code of ethics for the followers of Buddha, the Five Precepts. One of them is to abstain from lies: “As all Buddhas refrained from false speech, so I too will refrain from false speech.”

    An Introduction to Buddhist Ethics
    http://elibrary.ibc.ac.th/files/public/Peter%20Harvey%20-%20An%20Introduction%20to%20Buddhist%20Ethics~%20Foundations%2C%20Values%20and%20Issues.pdf

    “Any form of lying, deception or exaggeration, either for one’s own benefit or that of another is seen as a breach of the fourth precept. Lying is to be avoided not only because it often harms others, but because it goes against the Buddhist value of seeking the truth, seeing things ‘as they really are’. The more people deceive others, the more they are likely to deceive themselves; thus their delusion and spiritual ignorance increase.”

    However, he is of course a heathen and not a Buddhist. He belongs to the heathen’s ilk and Fake Buddhist congregation. No wonder that Ron Unz’s piece on Judaism is recommended on the American Buddhist Net site – “for serious thinkers.” This is how heathens corrupt the truth. Twist and mangle so as to make it fit their natural inclinations.

    “The fourth precept is seen as the second most important one: it is said that a person who has no shame at lying is capable of any evil action.”

    • Agree: AaronB, Fran Taubman
  302. anonymous[224] • Disclaimer says:
    @Johnny Walker Read

    The Communist soul is the soul of Judaism. Hence it follows that in the Russian revolution, the triumph of Communism was the triumph of Judaism…” Rabbi Harry Waton, in his book, A Program for the Jews and Humanity.

    Another lie.

    Harry Waton was not a rabbi and that book is an anti-Jewish pamphlet. He was more like Atzmon than a rabbi – a fan of Spinoza. No rabbi would use “Jehovah” name in his writing. No rabbi would be a member of the Spinoza Institute.

    https://books.google.de/books?id=QOKMZUskeDoC&lpg=PA353&ots=Y-xUJ7UHky&dq=harry%20waton&hl=ru&pg=PA353#v=onepage&q&f=true

  303. @Caruthers

    Judaism seems to consist of several inbred groups: Mizrahis, Sephardi, AshKanNazi
    Maybe if they stop marrying nieces and cousins they’ll be sane in a few thousand years…..naahh.

    • LOL: Kiel
  304. @Fran Taubman

    ‘How does that work exactly. Did the Jews pay people to murder, like 9//11?
    How do you reconcile that.’

    Honestly, Fran.

    For Iraq, compile a list of those who advocated attacking Iraq.

    For Syria, look at Clinton’s emails. Who did she say she was promoting the revolt for?

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  305. anonymous[224] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    What Purim celebrates did not involve a war but a Jewish takeover of the host government of a nation that had extended security and prosperity to Yehud, to the extent that Persian people contributed their treasure to Yehud to return to and rebuild Jerusalem.

    Jews did not come to the banks of the Euphrates but were transfered there against their will, nor was that region a part of Persia when Jews settled there. And when Persians came to be the “host government” is when Jews had been there for three generations before them.

    75,000 Persians plus Haman and his sons were slaughtered at the demand of Jews. That’s not a war, that’s a ritual slaughter.

    Not at the demand of Jews – the Jews did it, with their own hands. “Thus the Jews smote all their enemies with the stroke of the sword, and slaughter, and destruction…” – Esther 9:5

    This is not a genocide. Haman sent soldiers. His soldiers were killed in a battle. That is a war, and Jews did not start it.

    And when the Europeans came to Palestine and conquered Jerusalem, the good Christians slaughtered all men, women and children there.

    That was a genocide.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  306. @utu

    Yeah, but not really. Before you know it, all that will be 20 years ago. Nobody remembers or cares even now. Iraq is pumping more oil than they ever have. Dick Cheney gets the last laugh. We talk more about World War II than the Iraq War. And in another 20 years, Vietnam will have regained its status as the the most important post-war (II) event in American history.

    The price of oil has been incredibly stable for the WHOLE world going on 5 years now. This is what is important.

    Look! No nuclear Armageddon with da rooskies

  307. @Colin Wright

    The Jews? Is the what she says. Because Assad and his father were pretty much hated in Syria, they were Brutal. Assad’s father squashed a rebellion in Homs, killing 10,000.00 nothing left of the town but a sign blowing in the breeze.
    Are you seriously that ignorant that you have to have a Jew behind every action in the universe like the Borgs? Syria was under the thumb of a rather son combo like Iraq. These were not pretty countries and oh yeah lets fuck them up for the Jews.
    Plenty of people rallied in rebellion for their own sakes and lives. The Allowites are a minority in that country. The Assads were brutal dictators to their people and his brother owned the internet company. Cronies. You need the Jews to get involved in that horror.
    I believe Cheny and the Sec. of Defense were the big honchos. not Jews.(for Iraq)

    • Replies: @bjondo
  308. annamaria says:
    @Fran Taubman

    “…at least if we loose our country…

    — And why have you pretended to be an American when you are an Israeli? Never honest, by the book.

  309. @Kiel

    While it’s been obviously a successful survival strategy for Jews (assuming Jews are actually Jews), is the success really the result of a form of enculturated narcissism?

    I mean, in the very real clinical sense, I’m not even whipping that out there as an insult.

    Funniest line in the thread. Hey why don’t all the Goyim become Jews and we become Goyim.
    Then you can run things for a while.
    We are not bots we are humans, each of us are different. You know like some very rich some very poor. etc. The spectrum of humanity, not aliens from outer space. Try and think rationally and maturity. Life is not a science fiction novel written by a 12 year old boy.

    • Replies: @Kiel
  310. Ace says:
    @Ace

    Pardon me. Should be “Atzmon.”

  311. anonymous[224] • Disclaimer says:
    @Oracle

    Many whites feel they have been forced to be only individuals while all the other tribes are allowed—no, encouraged—to practice group identity.

    You cannot be forced to be an individual – that is a higher step of personal development which requires independent thinking.

    A low-IQ white is not able to be an individual for he has no thoughts of his own. He is a sheep and thus will be led, because a sheep needs a pastor.

    And a pastor needs a flock, so don’t be afraid – go to a church and find a nice white pastor. A good one, such as pastor Texe Marrs.

  312. bjondo says:
    @Fran Taubman

    To repeat, “lying sets Fran free.”

    No thoughts, no research, no worries.
    Just lies.
    With cubicle mates competing who can
    toss most BS into cyber space.

    Get knocked down, go silent,
    return, repeat, add.

    Go off topic and describe
    this freedom lying gives

    5ds.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  313. annamaria says:
    @anonymous

    “anonymous[224]” wrote, “There are few stories in the Torah that can be classified as genocides and even then – it is arguable. None of that is celebrated. You can talk about Purim but that does not fit to the definition of genocide. Defeating enemies at war is not genocide.”

    — This is a very good clarification of the falsity of holobiz. “Defeating enemies at war is not genocide.” What a slogan! Considering the existence of Gaza Ghetto (a large concentration camp for the native population, run by the theocratic and supremacist Jewish State), your sanctimonious preaching (post 309) is both comical and indecent.

    The Holodomor organizer Lazar Kaganovich (the future First Secretary of the Communist Party of Ukraine) was committing the genocide of the Ukrainian population. https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Lazar_Kaganovich

    For his role in zealously prosecuting Stalin’s policies in the Holodomor and Great Purges, Kaganovich received the moniker, “Iron Lazar.”

    Here is Naftali Frenkel, a prominent organizer of GULAG (a system of genocidal concentration camps in Bolshevik Russia).

    Naftali Frenkel devised a system of labor exploitation that led to the deaths of millions of prisoners in Soviet penal camps, and earned him a life of ease as a high-ranking officer in the NKVD. Solzhenitsyn wrote of Frenkel in The Gulag Archipelago, “I have the feeling that he really hated this country!”

    Frenkel’s relatives have relocated from the USSR to Israel. What about reparations to the Ukrainian and Russian victims of the crimes committed by the Jewish Bolsheviks?

    The more you insist on the “special Jewish moraity’” and “special Jewish victimhood,” the greater the exposure of the historical facts dispelling the sanctimonious pretenses.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  314. @bjondo

    What lies of mine are you refuting? Spit it out stop with the poetry.
    State facts.
    Assad did not kill 10k of people in Homs. You can google it big boy.

  315. @annamaria

    I am a “by the book” Jew that is me and I plug into Jew central overnight before bed to recharge my Jewness like aliens from space getting sustenance from the mother ship.
    You really cannot feel anything for another country? Chinese to China, Russians from Russia. Sweedes from Sweden.
    I have a lot of family there. My father fought for the America in WW2. It is pretty human to feel for a country in trouble where a lot of your family reside.

    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @Colin Wright
  316. @anonymous

    All nice but I asked two questions.

    You’ve already told me that bar Yochai’s quote was accurate about actions in war. Was the 1933 declaration of war legal, that is all I am asking? Because then the Jews would have become an enemy to the German people. And maybe you say ‘it was only a boycott’, but then why such a vitriolic reaction to the much less organised BDS movement? Economic sanctions were and are an aspect of warfare, and affect a nation’s people just like real war. So de-facto only, and not de-jure?

    The nexus of volitional action rests on intention within Dhamma, so assume and infer mine away as much as you need, but I will still connect what to me seem like a few logical dots.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  317. Kiel says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Thanks for your input, Fran.

    So, I’ll just put you in Gilad’s ‘Pro Tribalism’ category, along with, in his opinion, 99.9% rest of the tribe, shall I?

    Back to the original question:

    Any thoughts on your god personifying a BPD mother using the Old Testament as a manual for the trauma based infliction of Cluster B spectrum disorders in ‘her’ children?

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  318. Sean says:

    “Grasping the notion of temporality is the ability to accept that the past is shaped and revised in the light of a search for meaning. History, and historical thinking, are the capacity to rethink the past and the future.” Accordingly, revisionism is the true essence of historical thinking

    . The meaning of the Palestinian rejection of the offer by Israel under Ehud Barak’s offer at Taba settlement in Jan 2001 must also be open to interpretation. Eighteen months later Arafat tried to accept it only to be told by the Sharon government that it was off the table. Morally, the position of Israel may have declined since Taba, but that is no reason to start kidding oneself the military threat is worsening.

    • Replies: @anon
  319. Wally says:
    @Fran Taubman

    “white nationalist”?

    – Fran, you are no doubt white and certainly a nationalist.

    – But your type of corrupt nationalism pushes the fake & impossible “holocaust” down everyone’s throat for big time money while it engages in mass murder on practically a daily basis.

  320. anonymous[224] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bookish1

    Good point about having a citizenship and still not being American. It makes things clearer.

    These things are clear for Jews. Since the ancient times, foreigners who settled in Israel were granted the status of a ger – he had all the rights but was not a Jew and thus was not a part of the people.

    To be a part of a people one has to be a part of the people’s culture.

  321. @Kiel

    You sound really scared to write stuff like that. When in doubt throw spaghetti against the wall and maybe someone will notice you? I have no idea what you are talking about nor do I really care.

    Your writing indicates that you cannot think coherently. I do not mean to be harsh (assuming Jews are actually Jews) but you make no sense. Just chatter with crazy inferences to make you seem smart.
    Good luck with the Cluster B spectrum. I hope it is not dangerous to anyone.

    I have no idea WTF you are talking about.
    Like I said you are the funniest dude on this thread.

    • Replies: @Kiel
  322. @A123

    That whacky conspiracy was acknowledged by Gold Meir in an interview. I hope you know who she was.

  323. anonymous[224] • Disclaimer says:
    @annamaria

    Though this is a sub-standard crap I tend to ignore, I’ll respond this time because this line of reasoning pops up here quite often.

    Considering the existence of Gaza Ghetto (a large concentration camp for the native population, run by the theocratic and supremacist Jewish State), your sanctimonious preaching is both comical and indecent.

    How does the Gaza situation relate to what I was talking about? No connection whatsoever. Am I running the Gaza strip? No – I am not.

    The Holodomor organizer Lazar Kaganovich (the future First Secretary of the Communist Party of Ukraine) was committing the genocide of the Ukrainian population.

    No he wasn’t. Kaganovich was appointed to supervise the new policies and was not the one who initiated them. Joseph Stalin ruled as a king. He began the so-called collectivisation which led to the famine.

    A large portion of the Union was afflicted, not the Ukraine alone. The Holodomor tale is a hoax.

    Naftali Frenkel, a prominent organizer of GULAG (a system of genocidal concentration camps in Bolshevik Russia). Frenkel’s relatives have relocated from the USSR to Israel.

    So?

    He was a criminal. He ran some of those camps. He was not a good man. And he was a Jew. Have I ever said that all Jews are good men?

    A stupid argument.

    What about reparations to the Ukrainian and Russian victims of the crimes committed by the Jewish Bolsheviks?

    Am I responsible for their crimes? Are the Jewish people? No, no one is; no one but them and them alone. A man is responsible for his own actions and is not to be held responsible for actions of others.

    Besides, along with the crimes these people also did a lot of good things. Most of the Russia’s population before them was illiterate. The communist Jews punished the elites and opened possibilities for the regular people to get out of the hole.

    Your comment is deranged.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  324. anonymous[224] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ilya G Poimandres

    I don’t know what is the BDS movement.

    As for the “declaration of war” that was a headline in a British newspaper. Some economic sanctiones were implemented but that is not a war in itself, even though such policies are or can be an aspect of a war.

    A war is when people are killing people. Not when people refuse to trade with people. And even if that was a war – which it wasn’t, then the Jews of Europe would not be responsible for it. Read this article:

    The Jews Who Opposed Boycotting Nazi Germany
    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/business/.premium-the-jews-who-opposed-the-nazi-boycott-1.5352883

    Connect the dots now, dot connector.

  325. @anarchyst

    For the last time, “nukes” are a Jewish “invention”. What is the usual MO of Jewish “inventions”?

    They are products of the imagination, and only that.

  326. Grasping the notion of temporality is the ability to accept that…

    Democracy religion peddled 24/7 is completely foreign to the notion of temporailty. It is the epitome of short term degenerate thinking, nothing gets done that benefits the people, a self serving system.

  327. Truth3 says:

    Truth about 9/11…

    “I was not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States nor did I have knowledge of the attacks. There exists a government within a government within the United States. The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; to the people who want to make the present century a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity. That secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks. … The American system is totally in control of the Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States.”

    Osama bin Laden

  328. Truth3 says:

    9-11 Criminal Co-conspirators

    [MORE]

    Paul Wolfowitz — Deputy Secretary of War on 9-11; “dual citizen” of US and Israel; Zionist; investigated for spying for Israel; former PNAC member; chief architect of Iraq war; forced to resign in World Bank scandal

    Richard Perle — former assistant Secretary of War, chairman War Policy Board, and PNAC member; “dual citizen” of US and Israel; Zionist; allegedly gave $100,000 to head of Pakistan’s ISI, Mahmoud Ahmad; nicknamed “Prince of Darkness”

    Michael Chertoff — Assistant Attorney General on 9-11; freed over 100 Israeli spies in the US after 9-11; promoted to head Homeland Security; “dual citizen” of US and Israel; Zionist; likely Mossad agent

    Douglas Feith — effectively in command, with Wolfowitz, of War Department on 9-11; Undersecretary of War for Policy; “dual citizen” of US and Israel; Zionist; investigated for spying for Israel; former PNAC member

    Dov Zakheim — Pentagon comptroller when trillion dollars reported missing on 9-10-01; “dual citizen” of US and Israel; Zionist; Shul Rabbi; former CFR member; former CEO of fly-by-remote manufacturer; reputed 9-11 mastermind

    Philip Zelikow — led the 9-11 Cover-Up Commission; personally wrote the 9-11 Omission Commission Report, a best-selling work of fiction; appointed Counselor of US Department of State; “dual citizen” of US and Israel

    Ari Fleischer — White House spokesman for Bush on 9-11; “dual citizen” of US and Israel; connected to the extremist group called the Chabad Lubavitch Hasidics

    Marc Grossman — Under Secretary for Political Affairs on 9-11; met with General Mahmoud Ahmad, head of Pakistan’s ISI and 9-11 financier, on or shortly after 9-11; “dual citizen” of US and Israel

    Henry Kissinger — Former Secretary of State whose Kissinger Associates sells influence with China’s economic leadership — was a member of the Defense Policy Board chaired by Richard Perle under Paul Wolfowitz in the months leading up to 9-11 and afterwards. He was George W. Bush’s first choice to head the 9-11 Commission. He withdrew from consideration because he did not to provide prerequisite disclosures of business dealings.

    John Deutch — former Undersecretary of War, director of CIA; co-authored paper, “Catastrophic Terrorism: A National Policy” with Zelikow, Ashton Carter; senior partner at Global Technology Partners, an affiliate of Rothschild North America; MIT professor; grandson of Yonah Fischer, Antwerp diamond merchant who ran Zionist Federation of Belgium

    Benjamin Netanyahu — former Israeli Prime Minister; said 9-11 was “good” for US-Israeli relationship

    George Tenet — director of the CIA on 9-11; was awarded the “Medal of Freedom” by Bush for his fine work on 9-11; reported to be “dual citizen” of US and Israel

    Richard Meyers — in charge of USA air defenses on 9-11; lied to 9-11 Omission Commission about reasons for air defense failure on 9-11; promoted to Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

    Philip Odeen — as director of Program Analysis for the National Security Council, provided staff support to Henry Kissinger from 1971 to 1973; served as Deputy Assistant Secretary of War in Systems Analysis; named to chair the National War Panel in 1997; former president of Reynolds and Reynolds; former CEO and president of BDM International; executive vice president of Washington operations of TRW

    Elliot Abrams — former member of PNAC, National Security Council; pleaded guilty in 1991 to lying to Congress about Iran-Contra affair; “dual citizen” of US and Israel; Zionist

    Lewis “Scooter” Libby — former PNAC member; studied political science at Yale under Paul Wolfowitz; aid to Cheney; convicted for lying about outing of Valerie Plame; “dual citizen” of US and Israel; Zionist

    Jack Abramoff — entertained USG “terrorist” patsy Mohammed Atta on his yacht just before 9-11; convicted criminal lobbyist; ardent Zionist

    Daniel Lewin — officer in elite, secret unit of Israeli military called “Sayeret Matkal”; orchestrated activities of Mossad agents in USA before 9-11; was allegedly stabbed or “shot” by highjacker Satam al-Suqami before AA flight 11 crashed into the WTC

    Dominic Suter — Mossad agent; his front company, Urban Moving Systems, employed the five Mossad agents caught celebrating in New York on 9-11

    Jerome Hauer — managing director of Kroll and senior adviser to US Secretary of Health and Human Services (HHS) for National Security and Emergency Management on 9-11; put John O’Neill at the WTC on 9-11; lied to Dan Rather on CBS News on 9-11 about the controlled demolition of WTC buildings; director of Giuliani’s Office of Emergency Management from 1996 to 2000

    Maurice Greenberg — CEO of American International Group (AIG) on 9-11 which became co-owner of the “private spy agency”, Kroll Associates, in 1993 and was a major share-holder in Marsh & McClennan whose CEO on 9-11 was Maurice’s son Jeffrey; director of the New York Federal Reserve bank (1988-1995); deputy chairman of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) in 1996; major investor in the Blackstone Group

    Jules Kroll — founder of Kroll Corporation, a “security services” company which was in charge of “security” at WTC on 9-11; has close links to CIA and is active private military contractor in Iraq; Zionist

    Paul Bremer — Marsh & McClennan executive on 9-11; Chairman of the Congressional National Commission on Terrorism, 1999 to 2000; US Ambassador-at- Large for Counterterrorism, 1986 to 1989; Presidential Envoy to Irag and Adminstrator of the Coaltion Provisional Authority, May 2003 to December 2004

    Benjamin Chertoff — 25-year-old cousin of Michael Chertoff; senior “researcher” for Popular Mechanics hit piece on 9-11 Truth Movement

    Eliot Spitzer — New York Attorney General on 9-11; barred his top aide, Deputy Attorney General Dietrich Snell, from testifying to Congress on Able Danger; threw out Karl Schwarz¹s 9-11 synopsis

    Richard Holbrooke — former US ambassador to UN; CFR member; co-chaired “Independent Task Force on America’s Response to Terrorism” in which the Official Conspiracy Theory (OCT) was promoted

    Sivan Kurzberg — driver of van belonging to the celebrating Israelis; when stopped by police on 9-11, he said “We are Israelis. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are your problem”

    John Gross — one of the lead engineers for the flawed NIST report on why the WTC buildings collapsed; denies existence of molten steel at the WTC

    Ronald Hamburger — structural engineer and Senior Principal at Simpson Gumpertz and Heger consulting engineers in San Francisco; was a principal author of FEMA’s initial report on the collapse of the twin towers; later a key participant in the flawed NIST report on why the WTC buildings collapsed

    Larry Silverstein — he and partner Frank Lowy obtained 99-year lease on WTC shortly before 9-11; made several billion dollars on 9-11 insurance fraud; admitted to “pulling” WTC 7

    A.B. “Buzzy” Krongard — now number three executive director at the CIA; until 1998, managed firm used to place “put options” on United Airlines which has left $2.5 million in “profits” unclaimed

    Mark Loizeaux — as CEO of CDI was instrumental in “recycling” steel from WTC crime scene; CDI also buried the rubble from the crime scene of the Murrah Federal Building

    Loring Knoblauch — CEO of Underwriters Labs; said that jet fuel fires were not “reasonably foreseeable” ; resigned suddenly in August 2004 after UL performed tests of WTC floor models where floors did not collapse and were barely affected

    Michael Cherkasky — CEO of Kroll on 9-11; former investigator in the Manhattan DA’s Office from 1978 to 1994; now CEO of insurance-firm Marsh & McClennan

    William Kristol — PNAC co-founder; adherent of Leo Strauss; editor of The Weekly Standard; strong advocate of the Iraq war; “dual citizen” of US and Israel; Zionist

    James Woolsey — former CIA director; PNAC member; claims “incompetence” was reason for 9-11

  329. Truth3 says:

    Cheerleaders in the media for Wars for Israel…

    [MORE]

    Charles Krauthammer

    Judith Miller

    William Safire

    William Kristol

    Daniel Pipes

    Robert Kagan

    Mortimer Zuckerman

    David Gelernter

    John Podhoretz

    Mona Charen

    Morton Kondracke

    Sid Zion

    Yossi Klein Halevi

    Norman Podhoretz

    Jonah Goldbern

    Jeff Jacoby

    Rich Lowry

    Seth Lipsky

    Irving Kristol

    John Fund

    Ben Wattenberg

    Lawrence Kudlow

    Alan Dershowitz

    David Horowitz

    Jacob Heilbrun

    Michael Ledeen

    Uri Dan

    Thomas Friedman

    Richard Cohen

    Avishai Margolit

    David Remmick

    Eric Alterman

  330. Robjil says:
    @anonymous

    Genocide in Jerusalem in 614 AD by the Jews is not told in our MSM.

    Why?

    Mamilla Pool 614 AD

    The Jewish chosen-ness led to genocide time and again. Outside of Jerusalem’s Jaffa gate (Bab al-Halil), there was once a small neighbourhood called Mamilla, destroyed by real-estate developers just a few years ago. In its place they created a kitschy ‘village’ for the super-rich, abutting the plush Hilton Hotel. A bit further away there is the old Mamilla cemetery of the Arab nobles and the Mamilla Pool, a water reservoir dug by Pontius Pilate. During the development works, the workers came upon a burial cave holding hundreds of sculls and bones. It was adorned by a cross and the legend: ‘God alone knows their names’. The Biblical Archaeology Review, published by the Jewish American Herschel Shanks, printed a long feature[i] by the Israeli archaeologist Ronny Reich on this discovery.

    Here is how it played out.

    In 614 local Palestinian Jews allied with their Babylonian co-religionists and assisted the Persians in their conquest of the Holy Land. 26,000 Jews participated in the onslaught. In the aftermath of the Persian victory, the Jews perpetrated a massive holocaust of the Gentiles of Palestine. They burned the churches and the monasteries, killed monks and priests, burned books. The beautiful basilica of Fishes and Loaves in Tabgha, the Ascension on the Mount of Olives, St Stephen opposite Damascus Gate and the Hagia Sion on Mt Zion are just at the top of the list of perished edifices. Indeed, very few churches survived the onslaught. The Great Laura of St Sabas, tucked away in the bottomless Ravine of Fire (Wadi an-Nar) was saved by its remote location and steep crags. The Church of the Nativity miraculously survived: when Jews commanded its destruction, the Persians balked. They perceived the Magi mosaic above the lintel as the portrait of Persian kings.

    This devastation was not the worst crime. When Jerusalem surrendered to the Persians, thousands of local Christians became prisoners of war and were herded to the Mamilla Pool area. The Israeli archaeologist Ronny Reich writes:

    They were probably sold to the highest bidder. According to some sources, the Christian captives at Mamilla Pond were bought by Jews and were then slain on the spot.

    Jewish culture when it comes to power has done many horrible things. This is just one example. These examples are hidden from us. We are learning about what Jewish culture in power is doing to the US, the west and Israel in our time. It is all over the place. The top leaders of Jewish culture needs a reformation to learn empathy and respect for non- Jews.

  331. @anonymous

    A war is when people are killing people.

    Is this with direct intent or indirect intent? Clinton and Albright knew with virtual certainty that placing sanctions on Iraq would cause death. Saudis know with virtual certainty the same is happening to the Yemenis. The Israelis know with virtual certainty that the Gazans die from being left in the Gaza prison experiment, Egypt’s actions aside.

    Now if you say – what of a small boycott by a few million people?! Well then, you are arguing about scale and not scope. I’d argue that Jews have a disproportionate economic power in addition, but the main point would be that the intention, whatever the effective scale, was to do harm to Germany and its people.

    It is often said that the most potent form of bullying is through ignoring your victim entirely – as if they don’t exist. ‘As it is for the individual, so it is for society’, to paraphrase Marcus Aurelius. Boycotts and sanctions are on the boundary of a de-facto state of war. The US has used this Chinese water torture equivalent method of sanctions to get nations into war – just remember Japan.

    It’s fair enough to say that Judaism is not like Catholicism, where there is one tyrant to lord down decrees, and that some organised Jewry opposed (I have read similar before, thanks for the link) the boycott.. And even if there were an autocratic Pope-like figure who made a decision, the masses would still not be him, and have their own individual minds and intentions.

    But you say that no one but their own selves is responsible for their actions in another comment recently above, and I agree. But if those actions were causally linked, correlated, through a belief-system, shared by many, written down in some handy book that those many each treasured.. ignoring the individuals – is there not reason enough to critique that belief-system if a causal link can be established?

    Because that is what I imagine most people would do: “Those people over there have cut themselves off from us in anger. We are disconnected from those people. But those people over there are still connected to these people over here. Does this mean that these people over here also have animus towards us? And can we trust these over here, or are they just using taqiya?”

    It requires a reasonable link. The Jews say they are connected by either blood, faith, or both. Is that not enough? (for me only faith is enough, as blood does not point towards intention, which is the only reasonable link for me).

    You claim a group identity but when that group stands, for the most part, united, you recoil at an analysis of the cement that binds that group, and demand only evaluation of individuals’ actions and intentions. For living within a faith that values the group so much relative to the individual, you put the individual on an unusually prominent pedestal when criticism is offered at the group. It makes sense of course if you place such high value on the group!

    • Replies: @anonymous
  332. Truth3 says:

    If people had a true working understanding of the science of statistics and probability, then things like the Jews doing 9/11 would be so patently obvious that there would not be one Jew still residing in America. They would all have fled.

    Take this one simple little combination…

    Lucky Larry Silverstein.

    He buys (leases for 99 years) the WTC just before the attacks, for pennies on the dollar.

    Nobody in their right mind would buy (lease) these properties… unless they knew 9/11 was coming and planned to take advantage of it. They were doomed buildings, asbestos fire retardant was everywhere, and would take billions to remediate.

    He insures against “two” terrorism events, for an amount worth many times the lease.

    He normally had breakfast EVERY DAY on top of the towers… but NOT that day.

    His children normally were there every day with him, but NOT THAT DAY.

    On TV, he says that he decided to PULL WTC7. Pull means trigger the demolition, in that lingo. WTC7 was NOT hit by an aircraft. In fact, it was the farthest building from WTC1 and WTC2.

    Zim (Israeli shipping company, a Mossad co-op) was one of his tenants. They broke their lease early and vacated right before 9/11.

    The probability of all those things happening… without LLS having advance notice of 9/11 and planning to assist in and benefit from the attack, is essentially zero.

    • Agree: DESERT FOX, Iris
  333. anonymous[224] • Disclaimer says:
    @Robjil

    The MSM are not educational resourses. And of course this is a known and well-researched topic. However, it is not that simple.

    Look there is no point to count who killed more because in this case I will bring two genocides for one, and it will be much more outrageous and horrible. No other nation or culture in the world is responsible for as much bloodshed as Christian Europe.

    Jews fought some wars and killed enemies, but the scale is incomparable. A small people against empires, such as Rome!

    And Christians were the opposite: a great empire against small people. Most of the times. Do I need to name the exterminated peoples?

    Read better “A Short Account of the Destruction of the Indies” – the Spanish Dominican friar Bartolomé de las Casas published it in 1542.

    As for the massacre in Jerusalem, read under the spoiler.

    [MORE]

    Sasanian conquest of Jerusalem

    The Sasanian Empire conquered Jerusalem after a brief siege in 614, during the Byzantine–Sasanian War of 602–628, after the Persian Shah Khosrau II appointed his general Shahrbaraz to conquer the Byzantine controlled areas of the Near East.

    The Sasanian Persians were joined by Nehemiah ben Hushiel and Benjamin of Tiberias, who enlisted and armed Jewish soldiers from Tiberias, Nazareth and the mountain cities of Galilee, and together with a band of Arabs and additional Jews from southern parts of the country they marched on Jerusalem.

    Some 20,000 Jewish rebels joined the war against the Byzantine Christians. Depending on the chronicler figures of either 20,000 or 26,000 are given. The Persian army reinforced by Jewish forces led by Nehemiah ben Hushiel and Benjamin of Tiberias would capture Jerusalem without resistance.

    Jews and Samaritans were persecuted frequently by the Byzantines resulting in numerous revolts. Byzantine religious propaganda developed strong anti-Jewish elements.

    A pogrom in Antioch in 608 would lead to a Jewish revolt in 610 which was crushed. Jews also revolted in both Tyre and Acre in 610. The Jews of Tyre were massacred in reprisal. Unlike in earlier times when Jews had supported Christians in the fight against Shapur I, the Byzantines had now become viewed as oppressors.

    Following the unopposed capture of Jerusalem, control of the city was handed to Nehemiah ben Hushiel and Benjamin of Tiberias. Nehemiah was then appointed the ruler of Jerusalem. He began making arrangements for the building of the Third Temple, and sorting out genealogies to establish a new High Priesthood.

    After only a few months a Christian revolt occurred. Nehemiah ben Hushiel and his council of sixteen righteous were killed along with many other Jews, some throwing themselves off the city walls.

    Following the outburst of violence in Jerusalem the surviving Jews fled to Shahrbaraz’s encampment at Caesarea. Christians were able to briefly retake the city before the walls were breached by Shahrbaraz’s forces who lay siege to the city.

    According to Antiochus Strategos, the abbot Modestos set out to Jericho where he mustered a force from the Byzantine troops which were garrisoned there. However, once the Byzantine troops caught sight of the overwhelming Persian army encamped outside the city walls, they fled, fearing a suicidal battle. Sources vary on how long the siege lasted. Depending on the source it lasted 19, 20 or 21 days.

    According to Sebeos the siege resulted in a total Christian death toll of 17,000, 4,518 prisoners were massacred near Mamilla reservoir per Antiochus. Christian sources later exaggerated the extent of the massacre, claiming a death toll as high as 90,000.

    In addition 35,000 or 37,000 people including the patriarch Zacharias are said to have been deported to Mesopotamia.

    Despite the claims of large scale destruction, the archaeological evidence does not reveal layers of destruction associated with the Persian conquest. There was also no hard evidence found for the widespread destruction of churches.

    A significant number of burial sites were allocated according to Strategos. A mass burial grave at Mamilla cave was discovered in 1989 by Israeli archeologist Ronny Reich near the site where Strategos recorded the massacre took place. The large number of bones “suggests that thousands of people were buried there,” though the poor preservation permitted the identification of only 526 individuals.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  334. This leads us to the essential issue. Zionism vowed to emancipate the Jews from their destiny by liberating the Jews from themselves. It vowed to bring an end to Jewish self-destruction by creating a Jewish safe haven. How is it that just seven decades after the founding of the Jewish state, the people who have suffered throughout their history have once again managed to create the potential for their own disaster?

    Whether it’s someone like Phil Weiss, or Gilad Atzmon, Jews tend to navel gaze, and the essential question for them really is “what’s good for the Jews?” I’d rather figure out a way to emancipate the West from Jews, and escape the destruction that they bring to me and my society.

    When these Jews finish talking about themselves, the interests of others are always ignored, as we are still there to serve their needs through cutting our own throats with tolerance, diversity, and multiculturalism.

    • Agree: Pheasant
  335. @Robjil

    “Jewish culture when it comes to power has done many horrible things. This is just one example. These examples are hidden from us. We are learning about what Jewish culture in power is doing to the US, the west and Israel in our time. It is all over the place. The top leaders of Jewish culture needs a reformation to learn empathy and respect for non- Jews.”

    Yeah, this is the thing. Many of us on the “anti-Semitic” side of things see that the real problem with “the Jews” is Jewish elites, from the Levites on down.

    If readers will recall the foofaraw with Sam Harris, Bill Maher and Ben Affleck, Harris made this point: we can all agree that the majority of Muslims are just ordinary folks going about their business who wish no harm on anyone, but the problem is there’s a worryingly large small hardcore jihadi minority, and as a penumbra around that there’s a worryingly large group of Muslims who aren’t jihadis, but who either sympathize to some extent with the cause, turn a blind eye to jihadis, might not inform on jihadi activity, etc., etc. These worryingly large minorities chip away somewhat at the ok majority.

    It’s rather analogous with “the Jews.” Of course we all understand that the majority of Jews are perfectly lovely people who just want to get on with their lives. But there’s a worryingly large small minority, who are part of the Jewish elite, who have vast amounts of wealth and power (regardless of their position on the political spectrum), who wish ill on Gentiles; and around them, there’s a worryingly large penumbra of Jews who turn a blind eye to their elites’ shenanigans, or give it a nod and a wink.

    If the “jihadi core” (so to speak) of Jews just stopped messing about with Gentiles’ host cultures, all would be well.

    But they just can’t seem to stop themselves. Ethnic supremacy is, for a worryingly large minority of Jews, a kind of sphexishness, an automatism. What’s the solution? Well, the “penumbra,” and the majority, need to wake up to the fact that they’re being ill-led by their elites.

    Pretty much like every ethnic group in the world, then 🙂 Funnily enough, class analysis is just as valid applied to Jews as it is to Gentiles. Who knew?

    • Replies: @Bookish1
  336. anonymous[224] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ilya G Poimandres

    For a wanna-be a Buddhist this kind of thinking is inacceptable. Your line of reasoning is supposed to be clear and on point.

    Hitler wrote Mein Kampf. He was hostile to the Jews. He came to power. Period. It would be irrational and treacherous if the Jews continued to deal with him and his government.

    Yet that wouldn’t cause a serious damage to the German financial state, and it didn’t. That was not a blockade. The Jewish businessmen alone participated in it. So please…

    The Central Verein’s appeals did nothing to stop the terror against Jewish businesses. Stink bombs, picketing and shopper harassment by Nazi thugs continued for several days in Magdeburg, Essen, Kassel and Berlin. Herman Goering announced, “I shall employ the police wherever German people are hurt, but I refuse to turn the police into a guard for Jewish stores.”

    That would be immoral to not react to that. You seem to be on the side of the Nazis in respect to this. How Buddhist! How ethical, how compassionate.

    You are not a Buddhist, friend and will never become one. You don’t have the means for that.

    The Israelis know that the Gazans die from being left in the Gaza prison experiment.

    No no one dies in no such experiment. The Israelis are putting pressure on them, so as to persuade them to elect a normal government and to stop firing missiles.

    Israel supplies all of Gaza’s liquid fuel, and Gaza’s sole power plant runs on diesel brought from Israel.

    • Replies: @Ilya G Poimandres
  337. @anonymous

    https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/the-white-house-plan-to-strangle-iran/#comment-3549431

    review the whole thing, no sense duplicating digits

    A few years ago Jews set about pooh-poohing trivialities like Kaufmann’s acclaimed screed,
    Germany Must Perish

    and International Jewry’s Economic War against Germany

    Berel Lang wrote a long pseudo-erudite piece that claimed Kaufmann’s booklet was of no regard, — pay no attention to the man behind the curtain — and that Jewry’s Economic War was a short-lived phenom, a position the USHMM freak museum echoes, but a brief biography of Samuel Untermeyer by Richard Dawkins, commissioned by Untermeyer’s grandchildren who gave Dawkins access to family papers, spells out in bold letters that Untermeyer pursued the economic war until his death, in 1940, and an inconvenient news item in a 1938 Brisbane newspaper reports the intent of international Jewish financiers to “threaten the existence” of “antisemitic” states

    We learn history is order to discern patterns and protect the present and future.

  338. @SolontoCroesus

    Whether it’s someone like Phil Weiss, or Gilad Atzmon, Jews tend to navel gaze, and the essential question for them really is “what’s good for the Jews?” I’d rather figure out a way to emancipate the West from Jews, and escape the destruction that they bring to me and my society.

    That is a curious statement. How have Jews specifically negatively impacted your life?I would like to know if you can be specific. Despite Israel, how have the Jews negatively impacted the west?

  339. J says: • Website

    All previous attacks against Israel ended with Israel humiliating the enemy and holding more territory than we needed. Once we even conquered the Sinai and gave it back because we do not need it. Another aggression will probably find us with even more desert and no one to give it back to.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  340. @SolontoCroesus

    The world is so powerless against the big bad Jews. You totally miss the point. What and who are the Jewish elites? So they declared war on the anti- semite states in 1940?
    I guess there power was short lived as it sure the shit did not protect them or world Jewry, or the world for that matter.
    The world went up in flames. Millions died. 20 million Russians, etc. death and destruction everywhere and you want to focus on the “Jewish world elite bankers” declaring “war” on Germany?
    Oh please it is Monday morning you do not have any other contribution to this discussion it is a old and tired trope with the cut out newspaper clips and the maps. Boring!!!

    Wow what a threat to the world International Jewry must be: “Destroy Germany”.
    Solonto no hard feelings but you need to move on to more current events. History proved that the Jews threatened and harmed no one in ww2. I kind of think think the Germans were the bad guys in this story.
    Unless you are a Neo Nazi and have nothing else going on in your life other then Zeich Heil, I can understand your romance with the past.

    • LOL: SolontoCroesus
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  341. anonymous[224] • Disclaimer says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    That’s dumb.

    I am not supposed to review each book, pamphlet or article which a Jew has written. Hitler wrote Mein Kampf – review that. And stop acting like a fool.

    There are 15 million Jews in the world and none of them is a Pope, or a Führer. No Jew can speak for all Jews.

    Dumb comment.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  342. Truth3 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    That is a curious statement. How have Jews specifically negatively impacted your life?I would like to know if you can be specific. Despite Israel, how have the Jews negatively impacted the west?

    Oh Wow.

    Where to start…

    Pornography. Usury. Warmongering. Theft. Illicit Drugs. Takeover of the Financial sector for their benefit. The USA Jewish Mafia. Israeli Organized Crime. The Federal Reserve. Orthodox Pedophilia. Orthodox theft of Medicare / Medicaid / Food Stamps, etc. Child abduction by Jews. Organ harvesting by Jews. Illegal Binary Options by Israelis. Ecstasy drug invasion. Opioid drug catastrophe. Boiler Room Fraud by Jews in NYC and Florida. Mossad stings to compromise politicians (Epstein was tip of ‘Eis-berg’). The stink of Jewish ghetto-lords. The unbelievable stink of Jews on airplanes, trains, buses, on the sidewalks, in restaurants, etc. Overwhelming nepotism in positions of power. Control by nefarious means of Universities. Gambling industry excesses. Prostitution and White Slavery. Abduction of Slavic women for Israeli brothels. Israeli Foreign Aid by US Gov. Russia Hoax propaganda. Ukraine takeover by Jews in 2014 and the War they started on Donbass. Nuclear Weapons held by Israel against all law. Gaza. Lebanon. Syria. Iraq. Libya. The West Bank thefts. Palestinian dispossession. 9/11. The murder of JFK. The murder of RFK. The murder of JFK, Jr. Hollywood filth. The USS Liberty. The Lavon affair. Irgun and Stern Gang bombings and murders. Count Bernadotte. The Assassinations of Huey Long and SecDef Forrestal. Murderer Leo Frank. Piece of Shit Barney Frank. The crucifixtion of Jesus of Nazereth. The stoning of St. Stephen. The boiling in oil of St. John of Patmos. The murders of St. William, Hugh, and other child martyrs for their blood.

    Need more Bitch? Three posts an hour worth.

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
    • Replies: @anonymous
  343. @anonymous

    Israel supplies all of Gaza’s liquid fuel, and Gaza’s sole power plant runs on diesel brought from Israel.

    Fritzl supplied all of the everythings to his victims too!

    Hitler wrote Mein Kampf. He was hostile to the Jews. He came to power. Period.

    Ok, so you get to claim a cause for your effect (Jewish reaction to Hitler), but he does not get to claim a cause for his effect (Hitler’s initial reaction to Jews)?

    We would have to consider if his reaction was accurate or inaccurate. I think when he says “… then I started to hate them.” then yes, his reaction was inaccurate and unbeneficial to him and others. But was every thing he pointed to false? No.

    Personally, I think that most of the criticism of Judaism should actually be reserved for the underlying conditions that Jews find themselves in, and therefore much less blameworthy than most of the stuff written in ancient texts.

    Living as guests in others’ nations brings a different flavour of life compared to living as homeowners. Just like in the Stanford Prison Experiment – once you designate ‘guards’ and ‘prisoners’, people tend towards behaviour in line with their pre-assigned categories.

    The problem is the role of guest implies at the minimum equity with respect to the host. And if a peoples are welcomed when escaping whatever was behind them, and then in that new home they proceed to work only for themselves, acquiring for themselves through their positive and negative ethnocentricity, more and more, leaving the host with less and less.. is that a stable equation?

    If a nation accepts such a people, say like the US in the early 20th, and over a century the guests keep making up a tiny fraction of the population, but they increase their fraction of wealth to 10, 20, 30% (number of US billionaires that are Jewish is ~40%), and they take the reigns of power (~30% of Congress and the Supreme Court is Jewish), how is this not kleptoparasitism? And yes, I use a negative term, but it has approximately the meaning I am looking for.

    Now of course buying up all the good land in Palestine, or a lot of the US, through a strong ethnocentrism is not theft – the host (although in the case of Palestine, they were never ‘host’, but ‘slave’ – never restricted you in this respect. But it’s certainly not being a good guest within the home of another. At the very least because, outside of those that delude themselves, it must be recognised – if we agree that loss of wealth, loss of the power to set your own society’s path through government – that the host will suffer through such action.

    And here is the crux of the matter: this inequitable relationship that occurs over and over again when Jews are accepted within a society, who needs to change? The host, or the guest? If I were being political, I would say both. Perhaps the host could learn from the positive ethnocentricism of Judaism, and Jews could learn to calm their negative ethnocentricism! 🙂

    But this requires change, and from what Judaism.stachexchange has answered me, Jews only accept change through prophecy or Messiahnship. Equity with the other nations – not an indifference, but an equanimity, a change of flavour, that is at most what the Jewish religion needs. (yes. many others too)

    (I don’t think that Hitler was far from this point of view btw – the Nazis did work with the Zionists after all – but he was lost in the cave of emotion, inclined to hate. The holocaust was a tragedy for the nation of Israel. How many died, how, we can dispute that, but I agree with Victor Frankl that having to suffer slavery, subservience, hate, murder, equates to “the best of us did not return”.
    Whether it was a cause for Zionism as Laurent Guyenot writes, only for the deluded. Experience is.. I forget the word.. linear – hate breeds hate, love breeds love. To believe sacrificing some number for a cause would make the whole better, that is delusion.)

    Interestingly, mayhaps if Judaism pushed for the pre-exilic custom of Jubilee within their host nations (and it’s not like the prols would be against the idea), the equation would find a better balance!

    On a personal question (I wrote this a bit before the middle section, so it is disconnected!) – why are you on this forum? Is it to correct inaccuracies, offer a more accurate perspective, and maybe learn a little?

    The issue is if you tell Buddhists, ‘this part of your sacred text, it is wrong or immoral for x y z’, they tend to reasonably consider and reply to tell you if they think you are right or wrong. The Dalai Lama – as much as he is a political leader as well as a monk (contradiction) – says if the scientific method contradicts Buddhism, Buddhism must change.

    But if you try to have a discussion with Jews, they tend to first recoil and claim assault, then attack the speaker’s character. The actual issues that the speaker wanted to discuss are rarely breached (you and AaronB are a nice examples of exceptions 🙂 ).

    This tells me that either most Jews I stumble into conversation are unsure about the holiness of themselves and their book (a person who knows they are in the right – G-d or sunyata – has no reason to get upset by falsities, whatsoever), or that they are sure – but whatever that holiness is, they do not want any critical analysis of it from out-groups (but if a person knows they are in the right – why react/fear a discussion?).

    • Replies: @anonymous
  344. @Fran Taubman

    ‘That is a curious statement. How have Jews specifically negatively impacted your life?I would like to know if you can be specific. Despite Israel, how have the Jews negatively impacted the west?’

    Since you ask.

    Jews have been and are disproportionately involved in all of the following.

    Revolutionary socialism.

    Promotion of ‘Black Power,’ Black Lives Matter,’ black criminality in general

    Promotion of uncontrolled immigration.

    Promotion of sexual perversion.

    The promotion of feminism as a socially destructive set of values.

    The illegal trade in human organs.

    Financial fraud.

    ‘Activist courts.’

    Since you ask.

    • Replies: @mark green
  345. @Robjil

    There’s also the massive slaughter associated with the shadowy but very widespread and apparently very bloody Jewish uprising known as the ‘Kitos War.’

    It’s not the Jews haven’t been unjustly oppressed and persecuted. They and many other groups have been, are being, and will be unjustly oppressed and persecuted. This is a regrettable part of the human condition that we shall probably always have to fight to curtail. The lynch mob is not pretty.

    It’s this persistent attempt to present Jews as snowy white victims, innocent of any wrong doing themselves.

    …and they really believe that. See Fran’s demand that people point out what Jews have done that’s bad. She really thinks there’s nothing at all to object to.

    …and she’ll go on thinking it, no matter what is pointed out to her. It’s amazing.

  346. @J

    ‘All previous attacks against Israel ended with Israel humiliating the enemy and holding more territory than we needed. Once we even conquered the Sinai and gave it back because we do not need it. Another aggression will probably find us with even more desert and no one to give it back to.’

    And your position keeps getting more fragile and indefensible. Go figure.

    But keep ‘humiliating the enemy and holding more territory.’ So far, you’ve created Hamas, created Hezbollah, and made an enemy of Iran and introduced her into first Iraq and now Syria.

    Who knows what your next master stroke will bring?

    • Replies: @J
  347. Truth3 says:

    Continued riposte to the piece of shit sock-puppet Fran Linda Taubman Rice…

    Rachel Corrie. Mavi Marmara. Brian Avery. Iain Hook. Tom Hurndall. James Miller. Caoimhe Butterly. The firebombing of IHR. The attack on David Irving. The assault on Pat Buchanan (he kicked their sorry butts in self defense). The numerous crimes of the JDL. The attacks on Churches in Palestine. The murders of innocent Gazans daily by Israeli snipers, cheered on by Israeli onlookers.

    Or, how about…

    The Purple Gang and it’s murders in Detroit. The Bugsy & Meyer Mob. Murder, Incorporated. The Eastman Gang. The Yiddish Black Hand. Harry Horowitz and the Lenox Ave Gang. Mickey Cohen & the LA Mob. Dutch Schultz (born Arthur Simon Flegenheimer) and the Bronx Yids. Jake “Greasy Thumb” Guzik, Hyman Larner & the Chicago Outfit. Nathan Kaplan & his Racketeers. Jacob “Yasha” Katzenberg & Narcotics. Arnold Rothstein & the fixed 1919 World Series. Waxey Gordon & his Bootleggers.

    More, Bitch?

  348. disproportionately involved in all of the following.

    You mean like if there are two Jews involved that is disproportional. Such BS. How do you know something like that? How can you quantitate that except for the Russian Revolution, which as I said the Jews started the middle class.
    Black lives matter is the biggest supporters of Palestine it is in their charter.
    Most Zionist Jews are right of right and anti immigration, global culture, all of the left of left stuff.
    You can zig zag this stuff from here to eternity you cannot find a truly valid point or straight line.
    I am pretty sure that Gilad is a culture marxist he won’t say. But he is labour for sure, and all left of everything, and pro immigrant, pro feminist, pro black power.
    He is a labour socialist. You get all criss crossed.
    Who leads the way in human trafficking?
    In beheadings?
    In global tyranny?
    In subjection of peoples?
    If one Jew is involved like Soros there goes the neighborhood. Like saying Rothchild to banking.

  349. Kiel says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Thanks for the reply.

    I’ll do this in order:

    You sound really scared to write stuff like that. When in doubt throw spaghetti against the wall and maybe someone will notice you? I have no idea what you are talking about nor do I really care.

    I suggest you memorized this, and repeat it to yourself while looking in a mirror.

    Your writing indicates that you cannot think coherently.

    See above recommendation, rinse & repeat.

    “I do not mean to be harsh (assuming Jews are actually Jews) but you make no sense.”

    Oh, you know, it’s just a polite reference to the debate on whether or not you fine folks are actually corn pone Highland Hillbillies directly descended from Canaanites, or have NO semitic blood whatsoever, and are really just high functioning Eastern European Gypsies from the magical land of Khaz.

    “Just chatter with crazy inferences to make you seem smart.”

    Um, you may want to read your next statement.

    Good luck with the Cluster B spectrum. I hope it is not dangerous to anyone.

    It’s actually deadly, to others that is, especially in the high functioning individual with one of the disorders.

    I have no idea WTF you are talking about.

    That explains a lot, but you don’t have to remain ignorant – there are books, and videos available.

    Like I said you are the funniest dude on this thread.

    Thanks! I feel the same way about you.

    *HUGS!*

  350. anonymous[224] • Disclaimer says:
    @Truth3

    Pornography.

    The MindGeek corporation. Founded by four gentiles. Now is owned by a gentile and a Jew. The former owner had to sell his share when he got busted for tax evasion. He is a German. A Jew who worked as a manager bought his share. The company then had existed for 10 years. Most porno sites are owned and run by this company.

    Made by gentiles.

    Warmongering. Theft. Illicit Drugs.

    Yes, gentiles don’t steal, are very peaceful and would not take any drugs if not for the Jews. Oh, these Jews. They make gentiles watch porno and masturbate, make them take drugs and alcohol. Poor gentiles – who will protect them? No one will. The Jews are controlling everything.

    Takeover of the Financial sector for their benefit.

    Yes, before the takeover the financial sector was for the benefit of all people, and now for the Jews alone. And again, the honest, law-abiding gentiles have lost. Cunning Jews tricked them. Such a horrible people these Jews are. Took over the financial sector.

    The USA Jewish Mafia.

    Oh, the biggest mafia in the world. No need to talk about other mafias. The Jews are worse. Are they not? No dought they run all the Mexican cartels too. And the Cosa Nostra. And the Triades, Yakuza and Colombian cartels, the Irish gangs, the black gang bangers, Crips and Bloods – all of them are children, compared to Jews.

    This kid is off the hook.

    Fran, ignore him. He is a sucker.

    • Replies: @Truth3
    , @Fran Taubman
  351. Truth3 says:

    More Jewsih perfidy, for that bitch of a sock-puppet to chew on…

    Ein al-Zeitun massacre, Deir Yassin massacre, Al-Dawayima massacre, Al-Khisas raid, Sa’sa’ Massacre, Semiramis Hotel bombing, Abu Shusha, Balad al-Shaykh massacre, Haifa Oil Refinery massacre, King David Hotel bombing, Cairo–Haifa train bombings 1948, Cave of the Patriarchs massacre… etc.

    Or, how about…

    Leopold & Loeb. The killing of the Lindbergh baby. The sabotage of the Hindenburg. Herschel Grynszpan. David Berkowitz (Son of Sam). Louis Buchalter. Gus Greenbaum. Frank “Lefty” Rosenthal. Jack “Big Jack” Zelig. Hyman Abrams. etc.

    Need more Bitch?

  352. Truth3 says:
    @anonymous

    Hasbarite misdirecting coward learned his sophistry talking points in Herzliya.

    Up yours coward. Keep lying, the populace might actually get wise.

    By the way, take your beanie off when you walk the street at night. Soon the US dispossessed will take the appropriate actions when seeing you.

  353. @anonymous

    I cannot believe you responded to him. He is a skin head. Probably wears an armband with no teerh.
    I never respond to him. He is so over the top with his racism.

    • Replies: @Truth3
    , @anonymous
  354. @Sean

    All people want a state and deserve to have a state, but how many people insist to celebrate their nationalist aspirations on the expense of others? How many ppl get away with that? And indeed all of that is a matter of intensity….

  355. @Fran Taubman

    I know it is hard to accept Frau X.
    One day you will.
    Until then try not to make so many enemies.
    You don’t want to be that ‘old Jew lady’ the weaponized Black adolescents decide to mug and beat to death.
    Do you?
    That would be too ironic and sad, for you.

  356. Truth3 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    No Bitch… but then again you are wrong about everything.

    When the Truth hurts so much, the Jews don’t know what to do.

    Burn in Hell Bitch. You and all your tribal criminal compatriots have it coming.

  357. @Svigor

    I believe that Iran developed its missiles precision project in an attempt to deflect or even subvert Israeli nuclear deterrence,,,,The assumption is that Israel wouldn’t employ nukes as a reaction to a conventional attack ….

  358. @Fran Taubman

    Solonto no hard feelings but you need to move on to more current events. History proved that the Jews threatened and harmed no one in ww2.

    “Jews threatened and harmed no on in ww2.”

    Did you ever find out about the Ritchie boys?

    Besides, Benjamin Ginsberg would be royally pissed to read a good Jewish girl saying “Jews threatened and harmed no one in ww2.” According to Ginsberg in “How the Jews Defeated Hitler,” Jews played a major role in designing armaments for Communist Russia and also as soldiers in Soviet armies. So yes, Jews harmed at least one or two people in ww2.

    Current events you want? How many Palestinians have Jews killed today? How many American school children have been corrupted with holocaust lies today?

    shit, Fran, I’m not going to waste my time on your nonsense. You’re sick. And there’s a Hitler Look-Alike ball tonite & it’s going to take some time to paste a mustache on and get the armband just so.
    Swooon.
    (besides, SWMBO will have to be persuaded to let me out of the house).
    btw, how many times have you been married, Fran?

    gawdd — pass the brain bleach: the idea of Fran in a romantic relationship. yech.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  359. @Gilad Atzmon

    Big difference Islam is all or nothing. Their leaders refused to share one square inch of land. All of Arabia against one sliver.

    You cannot blame it all on the Zionist. It was suppose to be shared. And Jordan. What is Jordan?
    Palestinians had no self determination desires back when. It was all of Arabia. Pan Arabism.

  360. @Fran Taubman

    ‘… Despite Israel, how have the Jews negatively impacted the west?’

    ‘Other than that, Mrs Lincoln, how was the play?’

    There’s also the point that it’s unreasonable to except Israel from the discussion of the impact of Jews.

    Half of the world’s Jews live in Israel — and a good 80% of the remainder support Israel to a greater or lesser extent. In an era where many Jews don’t even practice Judaism, Israel is the touchstone for Jewish identity, and the one thing that binds them together as a people. Israel is one of the principle vehicles by which Jews impact the gentile world.

    Why should it be excluded from the discussion? It’d be like talking about General Motors — except for their cars.

    If we want to look at what Jews do, and who Jews are, we most certainly should look at Israel.

  361. anonymous[224] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ilya G Poimandres

    Hitler’s initial reaction to Jews was based on reading the Protocols of Zion and other such books. Same as most people on this site are ignorant, so was he.

    The problem is the role of guest implies at the minimum equity with respect to the host.

    This is one big error in this whole line of reasoning: the host, the guest. Jews are not a guest. Jews had been in Spain for 7 centuries before Christians. As well as in Greece, for centuries before Christians. As well as in Rome. As well, as in Russia – for centuries before Christians. Jews had been a part of Europe long before most of the European nations were formed. So who is a guest, and who is a host? The one with a bigger dick?

    If a nation accepts such a people, over a century the guests keep making up a tiny fraction of the population, but they increase their fraction of wealth to 10, 20, 30%…

    This is called competition. Learn how to network, invest in profitable deals and be more intelligent than another dude, he doesn’t want no one to succeed. He cares about himself, so screw him. This is how business works.

    Jews took what was left in the US: movies, newspapers. All the serious business was in the hands of Christians. The gun business, railroads, cars, banking – all of that was taken. But Jews are good at banking and have partners abroad, so… Compete!

    Now Jews own most of the music business, the show business. That is big buck business. But go ahead, compete. Jews are not killing competitors. Open a record label and get rich. You think it is simple?

    And here is the crux of the matter: this inequitable relationship that occurs over and over again when Jews are accepted within a society, who needs to change? The host, or the guest?

    Abstract thinking about some fantastic world. People live, surviving, and the life is hard for those who are in a new and foreign place, among foreigners who don’t like foreigners. You have to adopt and Jews did – for this reason the American Jews are different from other Jews.

    Equity with the other nations – not an indifference, but an equanimity, a change of flavour, that is at most what the Jewish religion needs.

    No it doesn’t need that at all. Judaism is a gnostic teaching. You can prefer whatever feels better, but Judaism is good as it is. Yes there are things which need to be changed and can be improved, but such an equilibrium would be against the principle: not all people are the same.

    On a personal question – why are you on this forum? Is it to correct inaccuracies, offer a more accurate perspective, and maybe learn a little?

    I want to learn to speak, to write so as to be able to write articles, short stories or something. Poems. And I want to do it in English. The best place is a site like this where I can argue. I have no desire to speak otherwise. I don’t care what these people think. Screw them all.

    The issue is if you tell Buddhists, ‘this part of your sacred text, it is wrong or immoral for x y z’, they tend to consider… but if you have a discussion with Jews, they tend to claim assault, then attack the speaker’s character.

    Perhaps you need to be a bit nicer? And a little more open-minded, less biased and to listen, for God’s sake instead of keeping on to accuse with all kinds of hoaxes and straight bullshit. Jews are not dumb.

    This tells me that either most Jews I stumble into conversation are unsure about the holiness of themselves and their book…

    Holiness of themselves? Huh? Their book – which one? Jews are different, man. Look I will show you some cool Jews.

  362. @anonymous

    Is that the best you can do?

    Mein Kampf?
    You do know that Hitler was coached and financed to write that by Franklin Roosevelt’s good pal; and that it was translated into English just in time to fire up the Demonize Germany to Scare the Shit out of German Jews by a cousin of Arthur Balfour — you know that, don’t you, Fool?

    You do know that the Warburgs financed Hitler, yes?

    Jews have a lock on “reviewing books,” and Jews had a lock on New York Times at the very time that it reviewed Theodore Kaufman’s magnum opus. (Or so says Benjamin Ginsberg in How the Jews Defeated Hitler).
    Berel Lang engaged in Pulitzer Prize pilpul in an attempt to explain away the fact that NYTimes had nothing but praise for Kaufman’s billet doux.

    You’re right, there are, supposedly, 15 million Jews in the world, and at least 14 million of them belong to a tax exempt organization — scamming American taxpayers — bent on influencing either the highest levels of US and other states’s governments, or school children in the youngest most impressionable stages of their lives.

    F%$k them all.

    “Stop acting like a fool.”
    Is that supposed to make me angry?

    what a dolt.

    Tell MFA to up their game. The current crop is boring.

    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
    , @Incitatus
  363. anonymous[224] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Screw him and his racism, I am wondering how the admin allows him to insult a woman time after time, and how come when I attempted to in a gentle fashion respond to one of such comments someone sent to me – he trashed it.

    He allows them to insult us, but from us he demands to be super polite. And after all, I didn’t write something rude. Just that I like to screw a man in the head once in a blue moon. So what? I was asking a dude if he has ever been screwed in the head.

    Nothing like that foul-mouth comment he posted.

    • Agree: AaronB
    • Replies: @Truth3
  364. @SolontoCroesus

    You do know that Hitler was coached and financed to write that by Franklin Roosevelt’s good pal; and that it was translated into English just in time to fire up the Demonize Germany to Scare the Shit out of German Jews by a cousin of Arthur Balfour — you know that, don’t you, Fool?

    You do know that the Warburgs financed Hitler, yes?

    I haven’t thought much about Putzi Haenfstangl in a long time, but it is funny that so many people think that Hitler rose from nowhere. Who from Hitler’s station ever rises as high as he did without help from some faction of some establishement?

    I guess the same people who think that Hitler came from nowhere on his own also believe that our own Deep State doesn’t have opposing factions, or that U.S. politicians just rise through the ranks without being picked, vetted, coached, and monitored. So far, our elites haven’t offered us anything interesting.

    • Agree: Kiel
  365. To see what Israel is all about, read the book By Way of Deception by ex mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky.

  366. @anonymous

    This is one big error in this whole line of reasoning: the host, the guest. Jews are not a guest.

    Ok – they were often there before Christians in many places.. Arguably ‘ye olde pagans’ were there way before all of ye too – should they reclaim the earth too? /sarc (sorry, sometimes I sarc 😀 )

    If we are talking about nations, are we talking about faith or ethnicity, or both.. (neither?! – always fun to complete a catuskoti!)? (we are approaching the point where at best we should agree to disagree, so I raise the level of my limited comedy – although I maintain my annoying level of serious verbosity – apologies as necessary!)

    The Spaniards were in Spain when the Jews and Moors said hello, the Greeks were in Greece too. The Slavs had existed in .. ‘Slavia’ 😀 .. for quite some time (dad says they were the ones that chopped down the forests in Greece in the mid 1st millennium, on a side note. Bastards!)

    The Jews entered Spain, Greece, Russia, etc, before those nations adopted Christianity. OK. But did they not enter those nations when there was already a nation there, however defined (aside from human)? Is the displacement of pagans reasonable just because later on those pagans adopted Christianity? The Jews were (and still are) in China before the Chinese adopted their faith of Communism.. ..

    I say guest because until the emancipation of 1800ish, Jews lived according to their own laws, within their own communities, and interacted with other ethnicities, for the most part, out of necessity. And again – horses for courses (to each their own) – but equitably! But they did not want to exist within the laws and customs of those societies (ethnicities/faiths – I guess here we would have to get subtle) on who’s territories they were. Fair enough, horses for courses. But then accept outsider/insider, or guest/host.

    so… Compete!

    On an even playing field? Should I also not charge interest to Gentiles and charge interest to Jews? Because your book engages in this delineation, am I also required to succumb to it? Should I also not accept debt-repayments 3 days before Jewish holidays? But I am a silly universalist, I think such practices are foolish, and am happy to be stabbed by angry negros (although the Tathagata was clear in advising us not to enter dangerous lands!).. /sarc – always add the sarc.. ya never know!

    And, just as an additional aside to my terrible brackets: Let’s not kid ourselves that connections don’t help with business. I have a great name: loved by (Orthodox) Christians, loved by Jews, loved by (Shia) Muslims. Thank you to my mother for giving it to me – when I offer it in the Western world, many people of faith loosen up instantly to my 6’4″ loomy-hulkiness! (hulkiness sounded too sexy.. mostly I am a loomer!)

    You have to adopt and Jews did – for this reason the American Jews are different from other Jews.

    Yes, to an extent. But to the level of Karaites? No – the Talmud binds all Jews, even if differences in interpretation exist. Some due to geography, some due to opinion. The Jews adopted within their system. Which is why when the USSR collapsed, the Semibankirschina could re-enter the Jewish mould, even after almost 100 years of separation.

    not all people are the same.

    Agreed. And an equanimity (positive) between them, rather than an indifference (negative) between them is better. Judaism tends towards indifference over equanimity, in my limited opinion and experience.

    Jews are different, man.

    Agreed. Those are some cool Jews (I’m more of a minimal house kinda guy though! – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPVBrRd9wCo)

    Anyways, good luck with your writing and language, and get a name 224 – you engage in right speech, for the most part – you have no thing to fear from such a thing! I will now continue to read the Shulchan Arukh.. it is pretty cool for the most part! 🙂

    (do you not like the idea of Jubilee btw – not for just Jews, for all, I am curious.. after all, if you can compete better, what is redistribution every 50 years – you are still better off on average!)

    Peace 🙂

    • Replies: @anonymous
  367. Caruthers says:
    @anonymous

    “Jewishness” is overwhelmingly a racial concept, as it is based overwhelmingly on ancestry (the “seed” of Abraham). Anyone with the right ancestry is automatically “in.”
    Most Jews, especially secular Jews, do not consider converted Jews to be real Jews. Their Jewish identity and loyalty is wholly based on an assumed common ancestry distinct from that of the goyim, and hence is wholly racist. After prevaricating in discussions like the present, they continue living their racial tribalism. The occasional convert only makes Judaism 99.9% racist, rather than 100%—-like Nazis, who accepted an occasional “Mischlinge” as “Aryan.” Just like “family” remains a biological relation, despite occasional adoption.

    The great Israel Shahak wrote (quoting from memory), “Significantly, converts are not to be in any position of authority over [racially pure] Jews for 10 generations, or as long as such [genealogical] records are known.”

    This rule is indeed significant: it shows the racist obsession with genealogy and ancestry inherent in the Talmud and Jewish culture. This racist obsession rages in the present among Israelis, as can be seen from their embrace of DNA tests to see who is “really” a Jew.

    And there is the widespread Jewish Israeli description of Palestinians as insects and other vermin, much the way Nazis described Jews.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  368. @Fran Taubman

    That is a curious statement. How have Jews specifically negatively impacted your life?I would like to know if you can be specific. Despite Israel, how have the Jews negatively impacted the west?

    Actually, you are quoting me. There is no need to answer your question, since it’s not asked in good faith. Instead, I’ll ask you to explain to me how the people and nations of the West have benefited from Jewish power, activism, influence, institutions, collective, etc.?

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  369. @annamaria

    Just out of curiosity, is there a particular reason something like half of your comments refer to Ukraine? Or is that merely an academic interest?

    • Replies: @Robjil
  370. @Colin Wright

    Important facts. Worth noting. Thank you.

    Let’s also not forget 1) critical Zionist involvement (by Brandeis, Frankfurter, Schiff et al) in orchestrating America’s unnecessary entry into WWI, 2) lethal bellicosity by World Jewry towards Nazi Germany before WWII, 3) Zio-Washington’s preemptive annihilation of Iraq, 4) NATO’s preemptive destruction of Libya, 5) the ruination of Syria and 6) the ongoing destabilization and economic war on Iran.

  371. Truth3 says:

    The criminal Jews here want to pretend that no Truth can exist that they do not fashion for themselves.

    Wow. Why be surprised.

    Chutzpah… it means extreme gall and hypocrisy.

    Boy does it fit.

  372. ‘You mean like if there are two Jews involved that is disproportional. Such BS…’

    I predicted this.

  373. Truth3 says:
    @anonymous

    Not an insult when speaking Truth.

    Go to Hell hasbarites.

  374. @OilcanFloyd

    You expect me to act in good faith when you hurl racist inhuman taunts an Jews and Jewish values.
    Consider yourself lucky you are on this dumb site and can say stupid shit like how to get Jews out of western countries.
    You are a racist bigot. I say that most sincerely. We Jews are going to stand up to this racism not as Jews but as human beings

    • Replies: @Truth3
    , @Truth3
    , @OilcanFloyd
  375. @SolontoCroesus

    I knew you were kinky. I just did not know to what extent like if you cross dressed.
    You fantasying about me it fits the fact that all your concepts are wild fantasies that you like to turn on word play. Like the Jews tortured the Nazis.
    Well you know I am a Jewess. Do you fantasize about Jewess skirt? I bet you do. Kinky stuff. Seems like it from what you write.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  376. Truth3 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Jews stopped being Human Beings when they decided that they are Gods and all others are cattle.

    Up yours Bitch.

  377. Truth3 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    As for Racist Bigots, Jews top that description in spades.

    Don’t believe it? Ask the top man of the Lubavitch criminal gang…

    Some of Rabbi Schneerson’s rarely reported teachings:

    “The difference between a Jewish and a non-Jewish person stems from the common expression: “Let us differentiate.” Thus, we do not have a case of profound change in which a person is merely on a superior level. Rather, we have a case of “let us differentiate” between totally different species.”

    “This is what needs to be said about the body: the body of a Jewish person is of a totally different quality from the body of [members] of all nations of the world … The difference in the inner quality between Jews and non-Jews is “so great that the bodies should be considered as completely different species.”

    “An even greater difference exists in regard to the soul. Two contrary types of soul exist, a non-Jewish soul comes from three satanic spheres, while the Jewish soul stems from holiness.”

    “As has been explained, an embryo is called a human being, because it has both body and soul. Thus, the difference between a Jewish and a non-Jewish embryo can be understood.”

    “…the general difference between Jews and non-Jews: A Jew was not created as a means for some [other] purpose; he himself is the purpose, since the substance of all [divine] emanations was created only to serve the Jews.”

    “The important things are the Jews, because they do not exist for any [other] aim; they themselves are [the divine] aim.”

    “The entire creation [of a non-Jew] exists only for the sake of the Jews.”

    Need I add to that bilge?

    Screw You Jews.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  378. S says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    For me the fact that the Jewish state indulges itself in apocalyptic and genocidal fantasies is really a glimpse into to tribal mind.. as far as I can tell this pre traumatic stress points at severe form of projection .. Israeli politicians and commentators attribute their own symptoms to their neighbours ..

    When projection takes place one can learn a great deal as it’s often the undistilled truth.

    There was an old US produced fairly popular and mildly entertaining sci-fi TV show back in the mid to latter 1960’s called Lost in Space which like many others I used to watch on occasion many years back as a kid which I believe now to largely of been a case of projection regarding it’s format and basic plot lines.

    [MORE]

    The basic plot for those not familiar was of a quite wholesome, very attractive Anglo-Saxon family, the Robinson’s, whose space ship had indeed become ‘lost in space’ on the way to colonize a distant star system. Each week as they try to get their bearings and hopefully even return to earth if they can they have extra-terrestrial adventures on various planets and meet different alien races, etc.

    There was one character (in addition to the family, and an Anglo-Saxon scientist that was a part of the crew) that was much unlike the others, despite apparently being A-S like the rest (his name was ‘Dr Smith’) which was quite unappealing in just about every way. As a child I remember his character to be both downright annoying and aggravating. Dr Smith didn’t like people and his only ‘friend’ seemed to be the ship’s robot.

    Now many years later, having become much more aware about ethnicity and peoplehood, etc, and recently watching this show’s first black and white episodes from 1965 as well as its never broadcast pilot, I look at it quite differently.

    The ‘Robinson’ family actors do appear in real life to have been more or less A-S in origins, or, if not that, north-west European.

    The Dr. Smith is still quite annoying and I can see why revisiting the series. His character is a cad and a thoroughly unpleasant person. Starting with the first episode as a stow away on board and being a would be assassin, he is literally trying to murder the family or deliberately sabotage their attempts to get home most every episode. He sees himself as superior but hardly contributes to maintaining themselves as a group but instead lives off the others work. This is every single episode that I’ve been seeing (except the never broadcast pilot where ‘Dr Smith’ wasn’t present.)

    The early ’65 episode I was watching just recently when I came across this thread and which causes me to comment was the episode called ‘The Oasis’. It starts out with Dr. Smith having used up almost every last bit of their precious short in supply water they have so he can take a forbidden shower. Forced to look for new supplies of water on the planet to make up the loss the family Robinson discovers some apparently water laden vegetables which they bring back to the ship to test for safety. Smith however, not realising this and having inadvertently not been advised the vegetables are still being tested, helps himself to some and becomes ill.

    Despite their being no evidence of this being the case, Smith immediately concludes the family has deliberately poisoned him. Here Smith declares his own ‘Samson option’, as he declares he will not die alone, poisoned as he is, and he will find a way to bring about the entire Robinson’s family’s deaths as well before he goes down. Smith departs the ship to plot the crew’s murders.

    Not being able to find Smith the family is sincerely concerned for his welfare, and while Smith is plotting to kill them, they meanwhile reminisce that while Smith could be difficult at times he wasn’t that bad of a person and hope he returns. Smith returns to the ship and recovers after the family locates him and brings him back,
    ultimately not following through on his (unbeknownst to them) murderous and clearly hateful intentions towards them.

    As mentioned, every episode I’ve seen consist of Smith attempting to either murder the Robinsons, sabotage them, or literally sell them out one way or the other while he lives off their very much unappreciated good will.

    The relationship between Smith and the Robinson family is a poisonous and dysfunctional one as presented, the answer for both party’s being to simply separate, as they clearly don’t get along with each other and their relationship is ultimately destructive, Smith forever feeling he is mistreated, unappreciated, and abused, (‘Oh, the pain!’ Dr. Smith often cries out.) the Robinson’s perpetually irritated and aggrevated with Smith’s cad like and self centered behaviour (naively never quite seeming to realise he seriously hates them and wants them all dead) they keep forgiving him and returning him back into the fold, over and over.

    I find the series in that sense so far looking back at it to be quite reflective, a projection upon the show itself, of the actual historically very unhealthy relationship between the Anglo-Saxon and Jewish peoples.

    And both partys in the conflict ridden relationship, A-S and Jewish, not simply separating from each other, reflects that there’s something wrong with both.

    A case of ‘art’ reflecting reality? 😉

    Oh, and despite Dr Smith’s real name, Jonathan Harris, and an affected British accent, he was actually Jewish and from the states, as was the show’s creator and producer, Irwin Allen.

  379. @Gilad Atzmon

    ‘All people want a state and deserve to have a state…’

    Do they? Well, perhaps, but it’s not unusual for them not to get it.

    Consider the Bretons, the Welsh, the Basques, the Copts, the Kurds, the Mormons, the Rohingya, and innumerable Indian tribes. They can’t all have their own nation, and many or most of these have a good deal more cohesiveness and cultural unity than the singularly disparate assortment of groups that practice Judaism.

    Aside from everything else, why should heaven and earth be moved to allot Jews their very own land? As Israel has involuntarily demonstrated, few with a choice in the matter would move to it anyway. In my opinion, Jews are only a people in Zionist and anti-semitic fantasies anyway.

  380. Truth3 says:

    Jewish Crimes against Humanity…

    Let’s start with a big one… Atomic Weapons.

    No human being in his right mind would ever facilitate the existence of a weapon that could easily destroy the Earth’s ability to support Human Life.

    But Jews were EAGER to create the monster of nuclear weapons.

    Why? They wanted to Nuke GERMANY.

    Look at who dominated the entire Atomic Weapons programs.

    Jews. Especially the movers and instigators. Einstein, Szilard, Oppenheimer, Teller.

    Demons, all.

  381. @Fran Taubman

    ‘I knew you were kinky. I just did not know to what extent like if you cross dressed.
    You fantasying about me it fits the fact that all your concepts are wild fantasies that you like to turn on word play. Like the Jews tortured the Nazis.
    Well you know I am a Jewess. Do you fantasize about Jewess skirt? I bet you do. Kinky stuff. Seems like it from what you write.’

    I think this is intended to be clever and annoying.

  382. annamaria says:
    @Fran Taubman

    “My father fought for the America in WW2”

    — The Jewish State has been arming Ukrainian neo-Nazi: “Human rights activists petition the court to cease Israeli arms exports to Ukraine since some of these weapons reach neo-Nazi elements in Ukraine’s security forces:” https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/rights-groups-demand-israel-stop-arming-neo-nazis-in-the-ukraine-1.6248727
    https://therealnews.com/stories/israel-is-arming-ukraines-blatantly-neo-nazi-militia-the-azov-battalion

    … the SS-wearing Azov Battalion, a neo-Nazi militia that uses Hitlerian symbols … has been incorporated into Ukraine’s National Guard through the Interior Ministry, which is run by an ultra-right nationalist named Arsen Avakov. So Israel is basically just sending weapons to the Ukrainian military, which is now filled with hardcore neo-Nazi ideologues. … Israel is arming neo-Nazis in Ukraine. The self-proclaimed Jewish state is literally arming neo-Nazis. And that should shock everyone, but at the same time it’s not shocking given Israel’s history…

    The collaboration of the Jewish State with neo-nazi is just a regular feature of this “most moral” theocratic and supremacist state: https://www.mintpressnews.com/mega-group-maxwells-mossad-spy-story-jeffrey-epstein-scandal/261172/

    … a web linking key members of the Mega Group, politicians, and officials in both the U.S. and Israel, and an organized-crime network with deep business and intelligence ties in both nations.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  383. @Fran Taubman

    You ask questions in bad faith, and you dodge questions in bad faith. Am I surprised? No. I only addressed you because I knew what you would do.

    As far as wanting to get rid of toxic Jewish power and everything that goes with it, it only makes sense, and is far less hostile and racist than Jewish aggression towards the Palestinians, which I’m pretty sure that you support.

    • Replies: @Kiel
    , @Fran Taubman
  384. Robjil says:
    @anonymous

    Here is Jewish source about the Mamilla Pool Massacres.

    https://www.jpost.com/Local-Israel/In-Jerusalem/Massacre-at-Mamilla

    The precise number is of course now impossible to verify, but Israeli archaeologist Ronny Reich puts the tally at 60,000 before the Persian military stopped the carnage. One eyewitness, Strategius of St. Sabas, wrote: “Jews ransomed the Christians from the hands of the Persian soldiers for good money, and slaughtered them with great joy at Mamilla Pool, and it ran with blood.” Persian rule in the Land of Israel lasted 14 years. The Byzantines briefly returned to a country in ruins in 628, only to face the formidable army of Muhammad’s friend Omar ibn Khattab. One cannot understand the Sulha al-Quds – the treaty of Jerusalem’s capitulation concluded in 638, without remembering the massacre at Mamilla a generation earlier. Patriarch Sofronius demanded, and the powerful Arab ruler agreed, to protect the people of Jerusalem from the ferocity of the Jews.

    Another famous Jewish war on civilians is Kito’s war.

    Kito’s war

    https://www.liquisearch.com/kitos_war

    The Kitos War (115–117) (Hebrew: מרד הגלויות‎: mered ha’galuyot or mered ha’tfutzot (מרד התפוצות), translation: Rebellion of the exile) is the name given to the second of the Jewish–Roman wars. Major revolts by diasporic Jews in Cyrene (Cyrenaica), Cyprus, Mesopotamia and Aegyptus spiraled out of control, resulting in a widespread slaughter of Roman citizens and others (200,000 in Cyrene, 240,000 in Cyprus according to Cassius Dio, but see below) by the Jewish rebels. The rebellions were finally crushed by Roman legionary forces, chiefly by the Roman general Lusius Quietus, whose nomen later gave the conflict its title, as “Kitos” is a later corruption of Quietus.

    The first Jewish Century beats all those centuries of warfare. It started on 12.23. 1913 with the FED in the US. It ended on 09. 11. 2001.

    Douglas Reed’s ” The Controversy of Zion” names names of the Jewish Zionist advisors that pushed for WWI for the Balfour and WWII for the Israel.

    We now have WWIII for Eretz Israel. It started on the beginning of the Second Jewish Century which started on Elul 23 5761 – Jewish 12th month 23 day and it is 09.11.2001 in the Christian Calendar. Thus nine eleven is the same number combo as the first Jewish Century on the Jewish Calendar. Even the number combo Nine Eleven is another Jewish gimmick. Ten is the Tree of Life. One less and one more than ten Tree of Life number is considered evil. Nine Eleven was horrible event, it fits that number combo definition.

    • Replies: @bjondo
  385. Robjil says:
    @Reality Cheque

    Ukraine is focal point for many people. It woke up millions all over the world.

    Nuland, Jewish American, used neo-Nazi thugs to take over a large nation in Europe in 21st century.

    She blessed it with the words – F–k the EU. I am sure under her breath she said the US too.

    These antics in Ukraine made many people wonder that maybe the big 6 wasn’t so big after all.

    It made many people question everything our MSM says.

    • Agree: DESERT FOX, Iris
    • Replies: @Reality Cheque
  386. annamaria says:
    @anonymous

    “A man is responsible for his own actions and is not to be held responsible for actions of others.”
    — You have effectively refuted the main dogma of the profiteering schema of holobiz.

    It is curious that, according to your own words, you have no idea what the BDS movement is (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boycott,_Divestment_and_Sanctions) but you took pains to research about Lazar Kaganovich, the mass murderer (and the right hand and potential successor to Stalin), who lived comfortably to the extremely old age — in contradiction to the usual squealing about antisemitism in Russia.

    anonymous[224] wrote: “The communist Jews punished the elites and opened possibilities for the regular people to get out of the hole.”
    — So charitable of the Jewish Bolsheviks… Except that only a profoundly ignorant person could peddle such a tragicomical “wisdom.” Learn the history of Russia, specifically the societal changes at the end of the 19th century, before spreading your malicious mythology. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zemstvo

    …during the 50 years of the zemstvos, they succeeded in solving many problems of general education, public medical service, construction and maintenance of roads and sponsoring local economic development. The Zemstva hired professional experts from the Intelligentsia in aid of their activity, who came to be known as the ‘third element’.

    Zemstvo expenditure grew from 89.1 million rubles in 1900 to 290.5 million rubles in 1913. Of the latter sum, 90.1 million rubles were spent on education, 71.4 million on medical assistance, 22.2 million on improvements in agriculture, and 8 million on veterinary measures. The chief sources of zemstvo revenue were rates on lands, forests, country dwellings, factories, mines and other real-estate

    The Bolshevik revolution was nothing but a murderous enterprise destroying the half-century-long hard work of the best and brightest in Russia.

    Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn (1918-2008), Nobel-Prize-winning novelist, historian and critic of Communist totalitarianism (https://archive.org/details/SolzhenitsynYouMustUnderstandTheLeadingBolsheviksWhoTookOverRussiaWereNotRussians):

    “You must understand. The leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured and slaughtered millions of Russians without a shred of human remorse. The October Revolution was not what you call in America the “Russian Revolution.” It was an invasion and conquest over the Russian people. More of my countrymen suffered horrific crimes at their bloodstained hands than any people or nation ever suffered in the entirety of human history. It cannot be understated. Bolshevism was the greatest human slaughter of all time. The fact that most of the world is ignorant of this reality is proof that the global media itself is in the hands of the perpetrators.”

    The worst genocide in history wasn’t the Holocaust … in fact, it was perpetrated by members of the very same group of people who claim they were the victims of one.

  387. annamaria says:
    @anonymous

    “This is called competition. Learn how to network, invest in profitable deals and be more intelligent than another dude…”

    — Poor soul. Riding the horse of shamelessness and psychopathy. You still do not understand why people detest zionism… Well, here some educational material for you: https://www.mintpressnews.com/mega-group-maxwells-mossad-spy-story-jeffrey-epstein-scandal/261172/

  388. Not Raul says:
    @utu

    When he was ordered to lie about the WMDs, he should have resigned, and submitted to a congressional hearing.

    It probably would have been safer for him, and many lives would have been saved.

  389. Not Raul says:
    @Fran Taubman

    He can write about whatever he wants.

    Plenty of people write about Islam.

    It’s ok if some people write about other topics.

    • Replies: @Art
  390. Kiel says:
    @OilcanFloyd

    Dude, they are clinical narcissists, seriously, it’s enculturated (inasmuch as one can generalize about a group) – and these are the ‘good’ ones, as the bad ones are even worse.

    From the DSM IV, here are the criteria for Narcissistic Personality Disorder:

    1. Has a grandiose sense of self-importance.
    2. Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love.
    3. Believes that he or she is “special” and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions).
    4. Requires excessive admiration [regularly fishes for compliments, and is highly susceptible to flattery].
    5. Has a sense of entitlement.
    6. Is interpersonally exploitative.
    7. Lacks empathy: is unwilling [or, I would add, unable] to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others.
    8. Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her.
    9. Shows arrogant, haughty [rude and abusive] behaviors or attitudes.

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/evolution-the-self/201311/6-signs-narcissism-you-may-not-know-about

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  391. @A123

    I have a feeling you couldn’t find Iran on the outline map of the world.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  392. @OilcanFloyd

    Jewish aggression towards the Palestinians, which I’m pretty sure that you support.

    You want to look at corruption and aggression towards the Palestinians, look no further then the their leaders and their Swiss bank accounts. They collect billions and keep their population enslaved with Jihadist leaders who rain missiles on the Jews, burn thousands of acres of farm lands in an attempt to bull rush the border and capture Israelis. The tunnels they dug from Gaza went to schools. he Hamas that is sworn to the destruction of the Jews. These are not innocent people.

    Jihadist have careers they do not want to solve problems or help their people live normal lives. They do not want to retire, on to the next Jihad.
    Palestinians have created their own destiny.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @OilcanFloyd
  393. @annamaria

    I am on this site to defend Jews agains dehumanization. The racist and bigoted discussions accusing all Jews of being bots, to Borgs, that follow a master leader and act in unison to create havoc in the world for their own gain. That all their behavior is satanic and due to their religious doctrines, stating that they are the chosen.
    Jews are like everyone else in the world, they have good, bad and ugly.
    They have contributed to science, technology and the arts.

    I am not here to defend every armament sale of Israel. I think you will pretty much find all countries engage in suspect behavior, with sometimes corrupt leaders.
    The fact that you would ask me about this is alarming.

    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @Bookish1
  394. @renfro

    ‘Secular Jews’ who claim they are Jewish (the mother gene and so forth) do so because they are in the cult of Zionism and Jews as some special people/race . ….despite the fact that there is no such thing as a unique Jewish gene or DNA or blood.

    Jews definitely are not a race, and anyone with eyes can see this. But I do believe that the Jewish collective is made up of several different inbred ethnic groups that share very similar psychological traits which drew them to Judaism in the first place.

  395. @Kiel

    Your description sounds like the Jew haters on this site especially the one calling me Bitch on every comment, not the Jews. Most Jews I know are hard working and modest.
    Clearly you and the others on this site are projecting the behavior inherent to yourselves. What kind of people write:

    Jewish Crimes against Humanity…
    Let’s start with a big one… Atomic Weapons.
    No human being in his right mind would ever facilitate the existence of a weapon that could easily destroy the Earth’s ability to support Human Life.
    But Jews were EAGER to create the monster of nuclear weapons.
    Why? They wanted to Nuke GERMANY.
    Look at who dominated the entire Atomic Weapons programs.
    Jews. Especially the movers and instigators. Einstein, Szilard, Oppenheimer, Teller.
    Demons, all.

    Cruel in human people. No one group is responsible for the above. It goes against the laws of nature to discuss any one group of people in this way other then it is a psychological disorder. Racism and bigotry is a manifestation of deep insecurity and fear.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Kiel
    , @Truth3
  396. @Fran Taubman

    ‘You want to look at corruption and aggression towards the Palestinians, look no further then the their leaders and their Swiss bank accounts. They collect billions and keep their population enslaved with Jihadist leaders who rain missiles on the Jews, burn thousands of acres of farm lands in an attempt to bull rush the border and capture Israelis. The tunnels they dug from Gaza went to schools. he Hamas that is sworn to the destruction of the Jews. These are not innocent people.

    Jihadist have careers they do not want to solve problems or help their people live normal lives. They do not want to retire, on to the next Jihad.
    Palestinians have created their own destiny.’

    You can’t even seriously believe this tripe yourself.

    It’s a little insulting that you expect us to.

  397. @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    ‘I have a feeling you couldn’t find Iran on the outline map of the world.’

    So? All he has to do is find the site with the Hasbara talking points. Who cares where Iran is?

  398. @Fran Taubman

    Great reply. Are you a human being, or a random Jewish supremacist quote generator?

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  399. @Fran Taubman

    ‘… My father fought for the America in WW2…’

    But your cousins fight for Israel. What does this tell us?

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  400. JamesinNM says:
    @A123

    Perhaps Russia could eliminate Israel.

  401. annamaria says:
    @Fran Taubman

    I have not asked you about anything. It was you who boasted about your father’s fight for “the” America during WWII. Did you mean that your father fought against Nazi Germany? If yes, then your devotion to your father’s memory is rather questionable, considering your firm support for Israel’s involvement in arming Ukrainian banderites (self-proclaimed neo-Nazi). This Jewish tolerance towards banderites puts a huge question mark to the holobiz noise about “special Jewish victimhood” while exposing the lack of respect towards victims of WWII.

    What is the point of putting people in prison for conducting honest research in WWII when this research does not agree with holobiz numbers and memes if the Jewish State is currently active in collaborating with neo-Nazi in Ukraine? For all other places (see Baby Yar.)

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  402. @Fran Taubman

    ‘… Racism and bigotry is a manifestation of deep insecurity and fear.’

    Indeed. See your remarks concerning Palestinians, Arabs, and Islam.

    • Agree: AnonStarter
  403. Art says:
    @Not Raul

    He can write about whatever he wants.

    Say Frannie girl — you know there is no free speech in hell. You are going there. — ART

  404. Kiel says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Your description sounds like the Jew haters on this site especially the one calling me Bitch on every comment, not the Jews.

    And yet, I never called you a bitch, and I’m not the one that wrote the block text you included in your comment.

    Additionally, if you scroll though my comment history, you’ll find an individual who’s been searching for answers for 30 years. Well, I’ve been finding them, slow but sure, despite my limited intellect.

    Only recently have I begun to dismantle the mind-prison resulting from Christian Schooling, by examining and deconstructing through archaeology and historical textual criticism the shear absurdity and lies that passed themselves off as sacred truth – whether created by Moses and the Prophets, with a Protestant Judaism perpetuated by Saul the Pharisee, or engineered by a group of occupying Babylonian Elite in Judah, with a Roman Elite inventing Jesus – none of it is the construct of a loving god.

    Over the decades I’ve discovered some hard truths about the Jewish (whomever you guys actually are) People and their role in history, and through living life itself I’ve discovered the lion’s share of Whites aren’t worth a shit.

    Both groups worship mammon, and both deserve everything that’s coming to them – and at this rate, they’ll get it.

    Our elites on both sides of the fence are building Hell before our eyes, and I hope they get to live there, forever – all of us, we’re disposable pawns.

    However, the victim shit, the lies, the false history, perpetuated for decades and decades, all of it does need to be called-out.

    There is no dignity in life for those passing-off lies, and there is no dignity in life for those who believe them.

  405. @annamaria

    I never boasted I stated. Was it you or someone asked me if I was an American or an Israeli since I when referencing Israel I said “we are worried”
    When being questioned for my loyalty I said that my father served in WW2.
    I am not boasting. Nothing is really clear their is no black and white or argument here. You are just looking thru a microscope for all the Jewish tropes. Dual loyalty, victimhood, Hoobiz. Arming Neo Nazis what ever proves your point about all the evil Jews and their publicity.

    It is all a repetitive and weak argument.

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    , @annamaria
  406. @Colin Wright

    I have a big family that is spread all over the world. They are all actively engaged in defending their country and homes against aggression.

    Pretty normal stuff I guess if you are not a Jew.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  407. @OilcanFloyd

    I am the latter:

    A random Jewish supremacist quote generator.
    ( I love the title)
    Do you know anyone that is hiring? Work is a little slow.
    The generator is gas powered and very noisy but it does generate quotes at a very good rate.
    The dogs help out also although with French quotes.

    Any you are you a human being? or a lying racist Jew hater?

  408. Blind House says: • Website

    Reminds me of my prediction from back in May 2018.

    May 24th, 2018 – 5:15 PM – Ramallah, Palestinian Territories

    “A new theory has been taking shape today. I could be totally wrong, but this is what it looks like might happen. The basis of my original theories about Israel (that also got me into a bit of trouble) 4-5 months ago was that all has taken place here since the inception or before was completely pre-planned way before any wars or battles took place. It is so easy to see if one knows “how to look.” Thus whatever war that is coming in the future has already been “thought out” way before. In my opinion, Israel could actually “get wiped off the face of the map.” I would argue that this is not a good thing. A total reform must take place in Israel in order to avoid going to total war. A “total war” in Israel will inevitably lead to a full Israeli/Jewish withdrawal from this region. Unless the Jewish people here make major concessions, they will be forced to leave Israel. What is worse is that I believe they already know this, and yet they are doing nothing about it. They know this is a war of attrition and they know they cannot win a war of attrition. The question is why?

    “Since I came here last year, Israel has acted like a country that knows a war is about to take place. It truly seems at the moment that the “planners-that-be” above and aligned in some way with Israel are going to purposefully allow Israel to lose “in a major way” and they will be forced to “hand the country” to the Islamic “horde” (for lack of a better word) that will come from all sides. All “enemies” in today’s modern world are artificially created, thus Israel losing and perhaps even “being genocided” in some way would serve many interests. 1.) Israel losing a major war would allow Islam to enter Jerusalem, it would be a major rallying cry, it would in essence “unite” the entire Islamic religion and would form a major world caliphate. Is this the “PTB’s” grand plan? 2.) Will the Jews just fall back to their second “homeland” more or less of the USA that they more or less have total control of already? Is this what both sides have already agreed upon? Did Israel just build up this area of the Middle East to eventually “give” it to the Arabs/Muslims?

    “The USA is in every single way a much “better fit” for the Jews and the “entity” they are aligned with.
    The USA has already been “destroyed” and “collectivized” to a perfect level suitable for this transition to occur. Since the Jews cannot continually use the “1st Holocaust” as much as a pretext now for their existence and license or “authority to do whatever they want,” some Jews would perhaps want to see a new “genocide” or “Holocaust 2” to give them a new reason “for people to feel sorry for them.” They guarantee their existence by always playing the victim. They relish it and it seems they will try to “regain this power.” Isn’t it interesting that you have almost 50% of the Jewish population in Israel and 50% in the USA? Seems perfect timing right? And most of the world hates Israel at this moment so not too many people will lift a finger until it is too late

    “I would say if the “PTB” add Hezbollah to the mix and they start scoring major victories, which they have the experienced manpower and missiles to do so, a push from Syria and Iran could theoretically “wipe Israel off the map,” which would once again “make the world feel bad for the Jews.” This would lead their shining prince Donald Trump to welcome all Jews and to in essence make it a fully Christian/Jewish nation, which it never was supposed to be. My main point is that if the extremely arrogant and perhaps somewhat deserving Israeli-Jewish state is destroyed, it is by design, “entity” destroying “entity” for control, to create a new “super enemy” in Islam and to more or less “give” the Jews the US of A. Might sound crazy but that is the message that came to me today.”

    https://blind.house/2018/05/24/are-the-israelis-planning-on-purposefully-losing-the-next-major-war-seems-likely/

  409. @Fran Taubman

    ‘I have a big family that is spread all over the world. They are all actively engaged in defending their country and homes against aggression.’

    But none currently serve in the US military. In fact, the only military any of them are currently serving in is the IDF.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  410. J says: • Website
    @Colin Wright

    So you say we created Hamas, Hezbollah and the Ayatollah Khomeyni. Aren’t we successful?

    In the same line of imagination, we may have created even more repelling figures like Saddam Hussein, Haman of the Purim Story, the evil Pharaoh that would not let the Hebrew slaves to go? Oh well, the Atzmon of this blog was definitely created by Jews, even by Zionist Jews, so in this case you would be right to put the blame on us.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  411. @Colin Wright

    Not true. Cousin just graduated from West Point.
    Interesting because he keeps kosher. I always ask about that.
    No one knows where he is deployed. Top Secret.
    I also have a female cousin works for the NSA. Top secret cannot travel to family weddings.
    Graduated mathematician from Hopkins. Sort of military.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  412. Truth3 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    It’s the TRUTH Bitch. Chew on it, and try to maintain your sense of Jewish exceptionalism.

  413. Truth3 says:

    By the way… Hating Jewish Evil is something I share with Jesus of Nazareth.

  414. Bookish1 says:
    @gurugeorge

    But then there is the factor of collective guilt that is lard upon white society. Good example is ‘white priviledge’. If your skin is white you are one of the privileged people. Doesn’t matter if your homeless or whatever. Your guilty. Same shit with affirmative action and many other programs.

  415. Bookish1 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Then why aren’t the good jews putting the bad ones in their place so you can save the assases of the good jews.

  416. Truth3 says:

    Just remember… the so-called Fran Taubman resorts to sock-puppet tactics (Linda Rice, Anon, others) whenever her lies get too obvious.

    She (if she is a she) is a lying bitch coward that stinks of Hasbarite shekels.

    As a racist self justifying tribal weasel, she fits in with what Jews are, typically.

    Liars. Hypocrites. Cowards. Devils.

    Jesus Christ called them all of the above.

  417. anonymous[224] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ilya G Poimandres

    The Spaniards were in Spain when the Jews and Moors said hello, the Greeks were in Greece too… Did they not enter those nations when there was already a nation there, however defined?

    No they did not.

    Alexander the Great’s empire was not Greece alone, the Roman Empire was not the Romans alone and the Arab’s caliphate was not a nation of the Arabs alone, and the Persian Empire was not all Persian.

    Jews were not coming to some pure ethnic states, but were migrating inside these empires, along with other peoples. Apart from Persia and Greece, the future nations at the time had not known their own languages, when Jews settled there.

    The future Italians were speaking Latin and the future Spaniards were speaking a mix of Latin with local dialects; and the Jews had their own language.

    The Talmud binds all Jews, even if differences in interpretation exist. Some due to geography, some due to opinion. The Jews adopted within their system.

    Yes. You need to adopt and to remain a Jew at the same time. Somewhere in the Talmud it is explained, that all the rules of separation are meant for one thing – to prevent assimilation.

    Back then there was no Israel and Jews were in what is seen as the exile. You could break these rules and assimilate, and become a Christian or a Muslim, and lose the connection to the culture, and to the teaching much deeper and elaborate than theirs. And what would one get in return?

    Nothing good.

    Judaism tends towards indifference over equanimity, in my limited opinion and experience.

    A few times I’ve hinted at Gnosticism. You should look it up. You will not understand Judaism before learning a few things about it. The most important part is the idea of “pneumatics” and “somatics” – a crucial idea in Judaism. Read up about that.

    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/gnosticism

    And get a name 224 – you engage in right speech, for the most part – you have no thing to fear from such a thing!

    Ron Unz told me he will trash all comments I post if I get a name. He is so scared of me, that when I post a comment he receives a red alert message. He wakes up at night when I drop a comment. He reads all of them.

    Do you not like the idea of Jubilee – not for just Jews, for all, I am curious… after all, if you can compete better, what is redistribution every 50 years – you are still better off on average!

    I admire this idea. I think it should be implemented on the global scale. However, we need a one world government or something like it to do this, and for now it is not possible. But the idea is awsome.

  418. @Bookish1

    Well gee I will make some calls and work on it. No way to talk to all the Jews at one time.

  419. anonymous[224] • Disclaimer says:
    @Caruthers

    Most Jews, especially secular Jews, do not consider converted Jews to be real Jews. Their Jewish identity and loyalty is wholly based on an assumed common ancestry distinct from that of the goyim, and hence is wholly racist.

    Horseshit.

    You can describe most other nations as racist then. Nationhood in most gentile countries is determined based on “Jus sanguinis” – that is the citizenship of one or both parents.

    Yes for secular people in general nationhood is based on culture. The ancestors are the source of culture and for that reason the lore, the songs, the language and the customs are important.

    This is the same as an immigrant in the UK or in the US will not be considered a real Englishman or a real American, because he is not of the same culture. Let alone an immigrant in a monoethnic nation.

    But religious Jews place a convert above a secular Jew. And them, not secular Jews, determine who is a Jew. A convert can immigrate to Israel and become a citizen.

    The great Israel Shahak wrote, “Significantly, converts are not to be in any position of authority over [racially pure] Jews for 10 generations, or as long as such [genealogical] records are known.”

    The great Israel Shahak was a great bullshitter. He also was an ignorant sonofabitch. One of the most esteemed Jewish sages is rabbi Akiva ben Yosef. He was either a convert himself or a son of a convert. And he was not an exception.

    Johanan ben Torta, another great rabbi who is mentioned in the Talmud, was a convert. He bought a cow from a Jew – this is a tale from the Talmud: the cow refused to work on Shabbat. He was so impressed, that he decided to become a Jew.

    Prophet Obadiah was a convert. Onkelos, who translated the Pentateuch to Aramaic, was a convert. Shemaiah and Abtalion are known as two converts who were members of the great Sanhedrin.

    Shahak was referring to the law which is not different from the one implemented in the US – that someone has to be a natural-born citizen to become a president.

    https://www.aish.com/atr/Second_Class_Converts.html

    This racist obsession rages in the present among Israelis, as can be seen from their embrace of DNA tests to see who is “really” a Jew.

    DNA test has become affordable and a lot of people all over the world are interested in it and want to know their ethnic roots. And Jews are mixed with other peoples. Most Jews are of a mixed origin.

    This test doesn’t indicate Jewishness, but can be used as an additional argument in the rabbinical court when there is a doubt that someone’s birth certificate is authentic, or when it had been lost and replaced.

    And for Israelis the most respectable criteria to tell whether one is a real Jew is to ask if he likes hummus.

    And there is the widespread Jewish Israeli description of Palestinians as insects and other vermin, much the way Nazis described Jews.

    Horseshit.

  420. @anonymous

    Is that true about Ron getting a red alert when you post? Did he tell you that? He has tried getting us all off here at one time or another. Said awful things to me and allowed really crazy deranged pre Vatican Catholics to stalk me with nonsense unrelated to the writers topic. It went on for a really long tome before it stopped.
    Yet we add tremendous traffic and content to his site which is evaluated by traffic of comments.

    I cannot understand why these really intelligent people like Ron and Gilad prefer the company of toothless ignorant neo Nazis and H deniers. PG is another story. He has turned into that group and totally given up on sounding rational.

    He is bitter that he was outed as a rabid Jew hater rather then a respected journalist with a distaste for Jews like Pat Buchanan. This entire site is mind boggling. Never in my life did I foresee having conversations like this. But this is the horror of the internet. People would never talk to each other in person like this. The internet has become a dark place.
    It has become a bonfire for Jew haters.

    I am determined to be here as a human. By being human not good or bad or Jewish or brilliant like you

    Just a human with common sense and decency puts them in sociopathic context of the irrational over the sane.

  421. @Bookish1

    ‘Then why aren’t the good jews putting the bad ones in their place so you can save the assases of the good jews.’

    It’s more a matter of the bad Jews putting the good Jews into their places. See Goldstone, Finkelstein, or for that matter, our own Gilad Atzmon.

    Look at what Frannikins focusses on. She claims to be defending Jews in general here — but she’s entirely absent from several threads with distinctly anti-semitic content that are running right now. On the other hand, she’s always here struggling to suppress the vile Atzmon.

  422. @Fran Taubman

    ‘Is that true about Ron getting a red alert when you post? Did he tell you that? He has tried getting us all off here at one time or another…’

    Please. If Ron Unz wanted you off, he would just ban you.

    He probably does want you off. I wouldn’t be surprised if he wants me off. However, he apparently has this rather laudable devotion to the principle that speech should be free.

    ‘I am determined to be here as a human. By being human not good or bad or Jewish or brilliant like you’

    ! Refer us to the last post you made that was not devoted entirely to defending Israel or Jewry. This doesn’t quite match your claim to ‘intellectual heft’ — but it falls into the same category.

    ‘… Just a human with common sense and decency puts them in sociopathic context of the irrational over the sane.’

    Weird. That doesn’t even make sense. Either you’re denigrating ‘common sense and decency’, or you’re preferring the ‘irrational’ to the ‘sane.’ Maybe you’re channeling AaronB?

  423. @J

    ‘So you say we created Hamas, Hezbollah and the Ayatollah Khomeyni. Aren’t we successful?’

    Two out of three. You weren’t responsible for Khomeini, and I didn’t say you were — but you’ve certainly done all you can to nurture and develop Iran’s fear and hatred of you. You’ve also made it possible for them to advance into Iraq and Syria — two places where they weren’t at all welcome until you took a hand.

    Hamas, however, you promoted from the start as a counterweight to the PLO, while of course Hezbollah arose in response to your invasion and occupation of southern Lebanon. I note you omit your attacks on the United States entirely.

    But what’s going to be your next move? I gotta admit I’m looking forward to it. How about a black flag bombing in Moscow where you get caught?

    • Replies: @utu
  424. Truth3 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    You Human?

    OK… prove it.

    Denounce the INHUMAN treatment of the Palestinians by the Israeli people and government.

    Start there.

    No? Can’t do it?

    Thought not.

    Bitch.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  425. anonymous[224] • Disclaimer says:
    @Truth3

    Horseshit.

    This whole Schneerson’s quotation is misqoited and distorted. Colin Wright posted it a week ago or so and I debunked it. I found the source on the Chabad site and showed him the real thing and explained it too.

    It is in the comments to some article of Atzmon.

    • Replies: @Truth3
  426. @anonymous

    Alexander the Great’s empire…

    Fair point – it’s all messy when we go back in time, and every nation behaved similar to all other nations.

    Somewhere in the Talmud it is explained, that all the rules of separation are meant for one thing – to prevent assimilation.

    Also fair enough, but you must agree that Judaism has been in a problematic position, in that it has had to exist in an environment (other nations), whilst maintaining its wholeness. A bit like dropping orange juice into water – sure it’s possible to keep them separated, but it is working against the gradient. Not saying it’s a bad idea, but such a task feels almost Sisyphean in nature, and likely puts stress on the society engaging in it, and stress is unbeneficial. Really, with such a strong ethnocentricism, it is unfortunate Judaism put itself in such a corner by disallowing themselves a nation before metaphysically determined events manifest! In this respect Zionism is of benefit to the faith

    A few times I’ve hinted at Gnosticism.

    (I very much agreed with Schopenhauer when I skimmed his Aphorisms, that some people are readers and some are thinkers – I am certainly the latter – so I will have to read up on pneumatics and somatics a bit before I can go there! Send me something meaty if you have it 🙂 )

    Aside from that, I’m very much a Plato’s Parmenides guy when it comes to Gnosticism about One. If defining G-d as ‘One’, then neither One can know any thing about this plane, nor our plane about that One, through simple logic.

    But, a previous article you sent me stated that Maimonides said G-d can only be pointed to using negatives (so ‘One’ is out), which is very much what Nagarjuna and the Buddha said (https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/kn/ud/ud.8.01.irel.html), and given the strong Avodah Zarah rules, I feel (given my still limited knowledge) that Judaism has tended to make very similar points to the Buddha with respect to the ineffable, even before the equivalency of Maimonides.

    I will however continue to follow Dhamma, at the very least because it doesn’t value baggage – which is what I see the previous iterations of Judaism as being.

    I don’t remember the sutta reference, but there was one where the Buddha talks of a man that spots some dry cow dung on a road when walking home, and is gladdened – cause he can use it as fuel – putting it on his head, continues on his way home, it starts raining, and he maintains that it is a good idea to carry it, and comes home just.. covered in shit!

    In a sense the whole of the memory of Jewish misfortune only adds to present misfortune imo, especially because it is not well balanced by the memory of Jewish success, of which there is a lot. Same as for Buddhists who get prickly with Islam because Nalanda was sacked or whatnot. Correlating distant memories of distant peoples to current events is problematic. The ideas change with time, and those that practice do too of course.

    I think it should be implemented on the global scale

    But there is a light unto the nations that could do it right as of this moment! 😉 Heck, implement it for Israel as it is now, and the law of return would suddenly find itself inundated with new applicants.. perhaps that would induce the materialists to join though, so maybe not with a law of return! 🙂

    • Replies: @anonymous
  427. Truth3 says:
    @anonymous

    You sure are Horseshit, you cowardly POS.

    Can’t defend or denounce it, so you call it fictitious.

    How about denouncing the statements.

    Can’t do it, can you you cowardly shit.

    Go to Hell … and say hi to Schneershit while you are there.

  428. Truth3 says:

    How about this, you miserable POS anon224 & Fran Taubman Linda Rice sock puppets…

    “One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail.” –Rabbi Ya’acov Perin in his eulogy at the funeral of mass murderer Dr. Baruch Goldstein.

    Denounce that you cowards.

    Or, how about this…

    “The wealthy Jews control the world. In their hands lies the fate of governments and nations. They set governments, one against the other, and by their decree, governments make peace (or war). When the wealthy Jews play, the nations and the rulers dance. One way or the other, they (the Jews) get rich. ”

    – Theodore Herzl – Founder of Zionism, in ‘Deutsche Zeitung’

    No? Can’t do that either.

    Wow. Pretty obvious who isn’t human.

    Jews.

  429. anonymous[224] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Taubman

    No Fran of course I was kidding about the red alert.

    You are right, he doesn’t want us here but he prefers to let others drive us out rather than ban us. These trolls I think is one or two people who use sock puppets. He allows them to do it, because he hates his own people.

    For what reason? No one knows.

    I cannot understand why these really intelligent people like Ron and Gilad prefer the company of toothless ignorant neo Nazis.

    Please… Fran. Mediocre at best. Both of them. Just because one can code and one blow a flute is not enough to consider them intelligent.

    Never in my life did I foresee having conversations like this… People would never talk to each other in person like this.

    For the most part, that is true. But in some situations, people can talk worse. You see them here from the inside. A few months among them, even on a site changes a lot, right?

    Talk to those who seem smarter, or those who listen. You are better then them and it is wrong to even talk to some of these rats. Let them talk that rat talk to each other.

    • Agree: AaronB
    • Replies: @annamaria
  430. @Fran Taubman

    ‘Not true. Cousin just graduated from West Point.
    Interesting because he keeps kosher. I always ask about that.
    No one knows where he is deployed. Top Secret…’

    Straight out of West Point and off on a ‘top secret mission.’

    My.

    What are the odds, Fran?

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  431. @Truth3

    ‘… Thought not.

    Bitch.’

    I sympathize with the sentiment, but I think the truth is actually the reverse.

    Someone like ‘AaronB’ may be a genuinely odious person, but Fran’s always reminded me of a German hausfrau circa 1944 or something. I can see her agreeing stern measures should be taken to keep the Polish slave laborers in line. After all, we all need to be unflinching in the fight for totaler Sieg.

    If not a particularly good person, she’s not a particularly bad person either. She just unconsciously illustrates the moral depths to which a person will sink if you fill their heads with unfortunate ideas. Hence all the lying and evasion and regurgitation of obvious propaganda.

    Nevertheless, there may be hope for Fran.

    Let’s try to help her! Fran, we’re here for you…

  432. @Colin Wright

    He is not on a secret mission he is deployed and they do not deluge where they are. They still get phone calls, just no info on location and job. When you graduate you are an officer.
    You know Colin when you look up inane in the dictionary your name is first. All you do on this thread is comment on the comments of the comments about trivia nothing to do with topics and issues.
    You want to blow a hole in my cousins deployment knock yourself out. But imagine a Jewish kid from private Yeshiva going to west point it blew us all away.
    I am hoping he goes into the diplomatic core. But honestly I just do not get why he went there. They were kind to him at West Point.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  433. utu says:
    @Colin Wright

    “You weren’t responsible for Khomein…” – I would not be so certain. Iran under Shah was getting strong and what was the worse it had great relations with the West and the US and the only way to get Iran within the outline of the Yinon Plan was to destabilize it and turn it into the Enemy of America. While I have no proof that Israel was behind Iran revolution Israel certainly benefited form it.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/russian-history/#comment-3209661
    From the point of view of Israel Iran was turned into a pariah nation and most importantly it became the enemy of the US. Embargoes were imposed. It was economically set back a decade or more. Because of its ideology it did not become a client state of the USSR. The Iraq-Iran war in which paradoxically Israel was supplying Iran with weapon guaranteed that. Iran fell behind Turkey and had no access to modern western weapon technology.

    I like my hypothesis (though I have no proof for it except for cui bono and the known Israeli modus operandi)that Iran was the first piece of domino in the Yinon Plan that envisioned turning well functioning, developing, modernizing semi-secular and industrializing Muslim states in the ME into preindustrial backward Medieval Muslim entities with chaos of sectarian fighting and terrorism so they could be vilified for ever as the enemy of civilization and humanity. It was accomplished with Iraq (1990 and 2003), Libya (2011) and Syria (2012-) that were Soviet client states and Iran (1979) that was American client state.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-41/#comment-2309300
    The Yinon plan was not officially formulated then as far as we know, but perhaps it was already being worked on. All secular ME states were considered a threat. Why not Iran? Would Israel wanted to have a strong Iran in a long term that also was friendly with West at the same time? No, Israel is much more comfortable with the nincompoops from Saudi Arabia that can be rolled up in 24h.

    Iran had to be pried off the US. Which the Iranian Revolution succeed in doing so. Iran became official enemy of the West. Sanctions set back all developments. The next step was Iraq-Iran war in which the US was siding with Iraq while the Yinon plan was envisioning the destruction of Iraq in this war.

    Anyway, my hypothesis is that Iran had to go because it was getting too strong and paradoxically because it was on too good terms with the West. Iranian Revolution accomplished it.

  434. anonymous[224] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ilya G Poimandres

    Judaism put itself in such a corner by disallowing themselves a nation before metaphysically determined events manifest! In this respect Zionism is of benefit to the faith.

    Of course it is. And it was a spiritual idea from the beginning.

    Three Paradoxes of Religious Zionism
    https://www.haaretz.com/.premium-three-paradoxes-of-religious-zionism-1.5397702

    You will find a lot of almost Buddhist thoughts in this article. Though – arguable.

    I feel that Judaism has tended to make very similar points to the Buddha with respect to the ineffable, even before the equivalency of Maimonides.

    Look, that is now obsolete. Makes not much sense to talk Judaism not getting into Kabbalah. I recomment to smart people this book:

    Major Trends in Jewish Mysticism
    https://archive.org/details/GershomScholemMajorTrendsInJewishMysticism

    This book is the best introduction to Judaism. You can read it there or save a file and keep it. That is Scholem. And here is another his book, perhaps even a better one but it does not encompass the whole scope of Kabbalah, so I recommend the first more. Or not.

    Origins of the Kabbalah
    http://www.conspiracyschool.com/sites/default/files/resources/Scholem%20-%20Origins%20of%20the%20Kabbalah.pdf

    Take a look at least.

    But there is a light unto the nations that could do it right as of this moment! Heck, implement it for Israel as it is now.

    Like I said, this is an awesome idea and I am one hundred percent with it. But how to make it happen?

    • Replies: @Ilya G Poimandres
  435. Truth3 says:

    Two Hasbarite sock puppets (or maybe just one) consoling each other for shekels…

    They try to swing the ‘Human’ angle… but are they? Really?

    They cannot denounce evil Jewish actions or statements or intentions, can they?

    They are like jellyfish… can never deal straight with TRUTH.

    Always victims, never the perps. Jew-think.

    Do they ever denounce the huge number of Jewish Crimes? Not a chance.

    Justifying 81 years plus of War Crimes and Genociding the Palestinians? With spit in their exhortations.

    Relishing their 9/11 False Flag and the subsequent Wars for Israel? Darn right.

    Still spitting on Christ 2,000 years after crucifying Him? You bet.

    Justifying with sophistry every single issue that affects mankind in defending virtue from Jewish evil? Nonstop.

    Doing the work of Satan (who they pray to, by the way) daily? Like never before.

    All that matters to them… The Tribe.

    What’s Good for the Jews. That’s their benchmark.

    See? And they claim that THEY are the Humans? While referring to all others as cattle.

    The Tribe is more important than Truth to them. They do not think of OTHERS as human. They think they are GODS and can do whatever they wish.

    Jewish Supremacism. The real racism.

    Not Human, no, not at all.

    Liars. Devils. Cowards. Hypocrites.

    Jesus of Nazareth…

    You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

    Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but within are full of dead people’s bones and all uncleanness.

    You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to hell?

    Seems to me Jesus of Nazareth hit all nail and no thumb when he swung that Hammer… but then, he was a carpenter, wasn’t He?

    One Tribe rebels against Truth… always… everywhere.

    Jews.

  436. annamaria says:
    @Fran Taubman

    “Nothing is really clear their is no black and white or argument here. … Arming Neo-Nazis what ever proves your point about all the evil Jews and their publicity.”

    — If you are such a committed relativist, then why are you peddling the holobiz mythology? Nobody would care to discuss zionists if not the profitable schema of holobiz reparations and the incessant attacks on the First Amendment in the US and on the freedom of speech in the EU.

    If you are not able to adjust to western standards of decency, move with your people in Israel; and don’t forget to invite all your other relatives from other countries if they are of the same “dual loyalty” and “neo-Nazis are OK when Israel sends them Israel-made arms” kind.

    You are lost in your own deceptions.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  437. annamaria says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Zionist purists in action in western world: https://www.unz.com/article/alain-soral-sentenced-to-2-years-jail-for-sharing-gilets-jaunes-anti-rothschild-rap-video/?highlight=holocaust

    The video also features a pyre where various figures are symbolically burned: President Emmanuel Macron, various media (TF1, Le Monde, BFMTV . . .), the Rothschild bank, and, most problematically, powerful elite Jews (Jacques Attali, Bernard-Henri Lévy, Patrick Drahi). …

    Drahi, a Franco-Israeli-Portuguese oligarch born in Morocco and residing in Switzerland, has bought up large swathes of French media in recent years. …

    … the video also states: “We’re not talking about a so-called oppressed minority. We’re talking about the deliberately neglected majority [of workers, farmers, and pensioners] . . . France has decided to free itself from the Rothschilds…

    …the noose is apparently tightening around Soral. Earlier this year, he was also sentenced to a year in jail for sharing a cartoon highlighting various holocaust hoaxes (lampshades, soap, etc).

    “German people convicted of Holocaust denial:”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:German_people_convicted_of_Holocaust_denial
    “People convicted of Holocaust denial offenses:” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:People_convicted_of_Holocaust_denial_offenses

    The context: “Israel Is Arming Ukraine’s Blatantly Neo-Nazi Militia the Azov Battalion.”
    Fran Taubman et al approve:

  438. @annamaria

    I believe the Holocaust took place among 99.9% of the world. Does that make me unfit to live amongst you?
    FYI I have never once mentioned or brought up the Holocaust on UR.
    My comments are directed at Jew haters who invent reasons to hate Jews like the Ukraine saga and now your insistence on us being legit (the Jews) if we stop our Holobiz stuff. What Holobiz stuff?
    I do not see much hope of us becoming friends.

  439. annamaria says:
    @anonymous

    “…why these really intelligent people like Ron and Gilad prefer the company of toothless ignorant neo Nazis?”

    – It is because Ron and Gilad are really intelligent people they abhor neo-nazi, whereas the Jewish State government has been in tight collaboration with the neo-nazi:

    “Israel is arming neo-Nazis in Ukraine:” https://electronicintifada.net/content/israel-arming-neo-nazis-ukraine/24876
    “Rights Groups Demand Israel Stop Arming neo-Nazis in Ukraine:” https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/rights-groups-demand-israel-stop-arming-neo-nazis-in-the-ukraine-1.6248727

    Human rights activists petition the court to cease Israeli arms exports to Ukraine since some of these weapons reach neo-Nazi elements in Ukraine’s security forces.

    This is not the only “error” you have been caught on this forum, anonymous[224].
    Some honesty would not hurt — or this is not so in your case?

  440. Truth3 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Nobody wants to be friends with you Bitch.

    Move to Rat Island.

    • LOL: Kiel
  441. Incitatus says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    “Is that the best you can do? You do know that Hitler was coached and financed to write that by Franklin Roosevelt’s good pal; and that it was translated into English just in time to fire up the Demonize Germany to Scare the Shit out of German Jews by a cousin of Arthur Balfour — you know that, don’t you, Fool?”

    Citations on Hanfstaengl’s ‘Mein Kampf’ “coaching” please. Did Putzi suggest topics supplied by FDR 1923-24? Edit/insert text? How did that work? Give us a hint S2C.

    FDR from Aug 1921 was coping with poliomyelitis. In 1924 FDR held no public office and was trying to overcome life-changing illness. His next public post was governor of NY 1929. Five years after ‘Mein Kampf’.

    Hanfstaengl (a fine-arts publisher who joined the NSDAP 1922) gave Hitler an interest-free loan of $1,000 USD in Feb 1923 to rescue the ‘Volkischer Beobachter’. Nine months prior to the (8 Nov) Putsch and well before ‘Mein Kampf’ (1924). He later recounted how difficult it was to secure repayment of the loan [Longerich ‘Adolf Hitler’ p.105].

    Tell us how that connects FDR, Hanfstaengl, and Hitler’s 1924 ‘Mein Kampf’ S2C. Be specific.

    ‘Mein Kampf’ was edited by Emil Maurice and Rudolf Heß. Hitler was also advised (coached) by Bernhard Stempfle, Catholic priest, journalist, and early Hitler confidant. A death sentence. Stempfle was Jun. ’34 deported to Dachau, 1 Jul ’34 found dead in the woods near Harlaching (broken neck or shot in the heart “while trying to escape” depending on reports. He knew too much about Hitler and/or SS-Brigadeführer Christian Weber.

    Actually the most interesting thing in Hitler’s personal funding during the early hyper-inflation twenties (which he posed/damned as a fellow ordinary Austro/German victim) was Swiss Francs banked by German sources that paid his expenses. Mercedes cabriolets then (as now) cost money. The piano-family Beckstein were early followers/contributors/guarantors.

    Have a Beckstein in your parlor S2C?

    Here’s a recent tidbit (current reading). Thought of you:

    “The Führer is very much attached to Mussolini and regards him as the only guarantor of German-Italian collaboration. The Italian people and Fascism will stick to our side as long as Mussolini is there…The Führer spoke about Mussolini only in terms of the greatest possible respect. He has made of the Italian people whatever it was possible to make of them. If here and there German-Italian collaboration doesn’t function, that isn’t Mussolini’s fault, but is rather because of the lack of military qualities in the Italian people themselves.”
    – Joseph Göbbels Tagebücher 20 Mar 1942 [Göbbels ‘The Göbbels Diaries 1942-1943’ Lochner Ed. 1948 p.135]

    Mussolini invaded how many countries and dragged Hitler in when Italians couldn’t finish the job? Tell us about that S2C.

    Stay well, S2C

  442. @Robjil

    I appreciate your mansplaining response-slash-rationalization, but why not let Ms annamaria speak for herself?

    Ukraine is focal point for many people.

    For some people here “Ukraine” may as well be the focal point of a drinking game.

    in Europe

    Interesting choice of words because here I thought Ukraine was all part of the Near Abroad aka Русский мир and all that jazz.

    These antics in Ukraine made many people wonder that maybe the big 6 wasn’t so big after all.

    Ah, so the Big Bad neo-Nazi Bugbear made you realize that the original Nazis were more like overgrown Boy Scouts and maybe not so bad after all?
    Neo-Nazis in Kyiv in 2010s – Occupying Junta?
    Paleo-Nazis in Kiev in 1940s – Misunderstood Liberators?
    Right?

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  443. annamaria says:
    @Fran Taubman

    “My comments are directed at Jew haters who invent reasons to hate Jews like the Ukraine saga…” plus this, “the company of toothless ignorant neo Nazis.”
    — So you allow yourself to hate neo-Nazis — but others are not allowed to be displeased with neo-Nazi when the Jewish State gets into the picture as a provider of Israeli rifles for neo-nazis in Ukraine.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  444. @Fran Taubman

    ‘…But imagine a Jewish kid from private Yeshiva going to west point it blew us all away…’

    And right off, a secret assignment.

    My.

    Remember, Fran. We’re here for you (well, I am). We can help.

  445. @annamaria

    ‘…So you allow yourself to hate neo-Nazis — but others are not allowed to be displeased with neo-Nazi when the Jewish State gets into the picture as a provider of Israeli rifles for neo-nazis in Ukraine…’

    You’re confusing me. Fran is definitely an Israel supporter. That much is clear.

    …plus, she’s got a cousin on a secret mission. No one’s allowed to say where he is.

  446. @Fran Taubman

    ‘… I do not see much hope of us becoming friends.’

    Now that one’s gotta hurt.

  447. TRM says:
    @Bookish1

    There is no master race.

  448. @Fran Taubman

    Some much needed levity.

    Question: How do you brainwash a Jew-baiter?

    Answer: Give him another omni-potent enemy.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  449. @Reality Cheque

    Levity is certainly needed. Not excluding the
    “Nazis were the victims of Jewish aggression”.
    Got to love that one.

  450. @Fran Taubman

    Most likely a reference to the 6 million that their ilk is always trying to wish away or, failing that, plain outright deny.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  451. Robjil says:
    @Reality Cheque

    Six is a big number in Judaism

    Sixth day man was created.

    The Jewish New Year celebrates that sixth day of man’s creation.

    Six pointed star is the Star of David.

    In the Kabbala, there are “supposedly” only 600000 souls. “Jewish” souls is what they are talking about.

    https://www.chabad.org/kabbalah/article_cdo/aid/1287945/jewish/Six-Hundred-Thousand-Souls-171.htm

    As we have already said, a person is obligated to learn Torah on all four levels. Now, there are only 600,000 souls…

    There are more Jews than that number, so how is this possible according to Kabbala.

    But don’t we see a lot more Jews than six hundred thousand roaming the face of the earth?! How could there be only six hundred thousand? The answer is that each one is like a grand tree root from which stems out many branches/souls. Thus many people in bodies share the same soul root. If you feel especially connected with certain individuals, this is a sign that you share with them a mutual source.

    The big 6 was promoted because of all these 6 connections in Judaism. By promoting the big 6, we in the non-Jewish world are promoting Judaism and not Scientific investigation.

  452. @Robjil

    Seem so me you promote irrational Jew hatred. Unparalleled in its obscurity and mysticism.
    Too bad you cannot devote your self to more concrete things like as you said science.
    Not even 1% of what you write is coherent or realistic unless you think we have six pointed connection points and all Jews are receiving messages at the same time. Like the Borgs in Star Trek.
    I am Jewish and this is the first I have heard of the “big 6”.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  453. @anonymous

    Like I said, this is an awesome idea and I am one hundred percent with it. But how to make it happen?

    Dunno! I think it offers the possibility of an interesting mix of libertarianism in-between Jubilee and perhaps some flavour of (seems fairly anarcho) socialism on Jubilee.. I have to think more about it, and whether any other system could mimic it without the imposed cyclicity. Personally I like flat taxes and UBIs for human needs, and free market for human wants. Feels similar, maybe easier in the modern world, given that much wealth resides within ‘the corporation’ now. Anyways, I think we’ve run our course, till later!

  454. anonymous[224] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Six is a sacred number in Judaism, as he said. But also:

    1 – One is our God, in heaven and on earth. 2 – Two are the tablets of the covenant. 3 – Three are the Fathers: Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and the three sons of Noah. 4 – Four are the Mothers: Sarah, Rebecca, Rachel, and Leah. 5 – Five are the books of the Torah. 6 – Six are the books of the Mishnah, and the six days of Creation. 7 – Seven are the days of the week. 8 – Eight are the days of the circumcision. 9 – Nine are the months of pregnancy. 10 – Ten are the Commandments. 11 – Eleven are the stars of the Joseph’s dream. 12 – Twelve are the tribes of Israel. 13 – Thirteen are Jewish principles of faith.

  455. @Robjil

    ‘Six is a big number in Judaism

    Sixth day man was created…

    The difficulty here is so what?

    I’ve read that the ‘six million’ figure originated when the Nuremberg indictment or something was being drawn up and American Jewish Committee or something was asked for an estimate of how many Jews the Nazis should be accused of killing.

    So they came up with six million. Now, maybe they were influenced by some Jewish attachment to the number ‘six.’ And?

    That doesn’t demonstrate the Holocaust didn’t happen. In point of fact, six million appears to be a slight exaggeration; the results of most post-war research point to five point something million.

    The Jews were asked to pick a number. They picked six million. At the time, it was a reasonable estimate. That’s the case, and it’s going to remain the case no matter how much numerology you cite.

    • Replies: @Robjil
    , @Robjil
  456. Robjil says:
    @Colin Wright

    http://www.renegadetribune.com/the-six-million-myth/

    The big 6 number has been talked about in newspapers for decades before WWII.

    The obsessive invocation of the cabalistic fable of “6,000,000 dead or dying Jews” dating back at least four decades prior to the events of WWII directly undermines and betrays the notion that 6,000,000 Jews perished in Europe between 1939-1945, as Jews have claimed. It was a lie the first time, and it is a lie today!

    https://middleeastatemporal.wordpress.com/2013/02/28/six-million-myth-part-4/

    Ilya Ehrenburg, talked about the six number before anyone could know about it.

    Ilya Ehrenburg, a notorious Jewish Propagandist in the USSR who agitated for genocide against Germans and incited the mass rape of German women by the Red Army, prematurely proclaimed that “the world now knows that Germany has killed Six Million Jews” before anyone could have known that was the number.

    NY times said 6 million liberated from Nazi camps.

    In May of 1945 the New York Times reported that “more than 6,000,000 people” had been “liberated” from Nazi concentration camps.

    The big 6 is used to get reparations for Jews and Israel.

    1976-
    The influential Zionist leader Nahum Goldmann, co-founder and long-time head of the World Jewish Congress, publishes a book about Jews, The Jewish Paradox. In the book Goldmann candidly admits on pages 122 and 123 that years before the end of the second World War two influential co-conspiring Jews conceived the idea of a post-war Nuremberg show-tribunal and “German reparations” to be paid out to the Jews. Goldmann describes how he, and his fellow conniving Zionists at the World Jewish Congress, intended the reparations swindle to finance Jewish settlement in Palestine after the war.

    The big 6 is “eternal” no matter what science finds.

    Despite substantial reductions in the official death toll’s of Mauthausen, Auschwitz and Majdanek, the mythical and obviously false “Six Million” figure is never revised and continues to be peddled by Zionist Jews everywhere. That’s because it has religious significance to Jews and fulfills their delusional ancient Torah prophecies. The Holocaust™ is nothing more than a religion to inoculate the “Goyim”.

  457. Robjil says:
    @Colin Wright

    Another 6 fetish is the number of people injured at 9 11. 6000 number is used.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_September_11_attacks

    During the September 11 attacks of 2001, 2,977 victims and 19 hijackers were killed and more than 6,000 others were injured.[1][2] The immediate deaths included 265 on the four planes (including the terrorists), 2,606 in the World Trade Center and in the surrounding area, and 125 at the Pentagon.[3][4] The attacks were the deadliest terrorist act in world history, and the most devastating foreign attack on United States soil since the attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941.[5]

    https://www.al.com/news/2019/09/911-attacks-timeline-facts-what-happened-on-sept-

    Almost 6,000 people were injured in the attacks, which also caused some $10 billion in property damage. In the years that followed, first responders to the attack died from 9/11-related cancers and respiratory disease.

    ttps://wnep.com/2019/10/18/new-york-9-11-victim-identified-18-years-after-attack/

    NEW YORK, NEW YORK – SEPTEMBER 10: A flower is placed over a name at the World Trade Center Memorial in lower Manhattan on September 10, 2019 in New York City. New York City is preparing to commemorate the 18th anniversary of the attacks on the World Trade Center in which 2,996 people were killed and over 6000 were injured. (Photo by Spencer Platt/Getty Images)

    https://www.plataformamedia.com/en-uk/news/society/eighteen-years-later-911-continues-to-make-victims-11

    In addition to more than 2600 people killed and 6000 injured, New Yorkers continue to be affected by the collapse of the World Trade Center Twin Towers.

  458. annamaria says:

    “Ilya Ehrenburg, a notorious Jewish Propagandist in the USSR who agitated for genocide against Germans and incited the mass rape of German women by the Red Army, prematurely proclaimed that “the world now knows that Germany has killed Six Million Jews” before anyone could have known that was the number.”
    https://russia-insider.com/en/epsteins-network-part-1-clinton-crime-family-nexus-cias-iran-contra-drug-operation/ri27860
    Note how quiet is the MSM about the Mossad-connected Epstein and how it has been impossible to find Ghislaine Maxwell, the procuress of underage girls for pedophiles. No Interpol Red Alert still.

    Epstein, the billionaire pedophile and sex trafficker with a myriad of connections to the rich and powerful in the United States and several other countries, had told those close to him that he had feared for his life prior to his sudden “suicide,” the Washington Post reported, while his defense lawyers claimed that he had planned to cooperate with federal authorities. …

    Gone from corporate media are any hints of the larger scandal, revolving around the admission that Epstein had “belonged to intelligence.”

    • Agree: Robjil, Iris
    • Replies: @geokat62
  459. geokat62 says:
    @annamaria

    Note how quiet is the MSM about the Mossad-connected Epstein and how it has been impossible to find Ghislaine Maxwell, the procuress of underage girls for pedophiles. No Interpol Red Alert still.

    Her name should be repeatedly brought up to remind The Dumb Goyim of who runs the show.

  460. Truth3 says:

    Choking on their Vomit Dogs of the Day…

    Anon, Fran & Reality Cheque.

    Can’t denounce Israeli Crimes against the Palestinians, can’t hide from the fact that they can’t.

  461. Benson says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    Gilad, what would be the Israeli response in that case ? Nuke Teheran and destroy iranian oil facilities ? Carpet-bombing Gaza ?Invading Lebanon or bringing it to stone age?

  462. melpol says:

    High IQ secular Jews have already left Israel and are prospering. Destruction of Israel will still leave the International Jew intact. China has over 1 hundred thousand Crypto Jews, many are leaders and have important posts. We all weep for the new Holocaust coming for Israel. But Jews will remain worldwide.

    • Replies: @Bookish1
  463. melpol says:

    Open door policy of Xi is an invitation to the International high IQ Jew. Smart Jews can produce and sell their merchandise door to door to Chinese home owners. Ship jumpers will be leaving Israel for China and letting the Orthodox Jews defend the Holy artifacts.

    • Replies: @anon
  464. anon[312] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    Ehud Baark was lying knowing fully well that this won’t be acceptable to Palestinian
    Arafat did not want the meeting to be held because of the nature of the Israeli position , American support for Israeli position , dwindling days of Clinton administration

    Someone from US administration reminded the world that we American acted as Israeli lawyer in the negotiation .

    Our knowledge was limited by the choices we had regarding the access to the information

    Neither NYT nor CNN let alone Fox would have reported the entire truth behind the walk out of Arafat ( it was later told by Arafat that US agreed to unilateral walk out by any side during the negotiation and agreed not to blame any party ) we don’t know what prevented was it offering of a Bantustan ? Multi points check points ? Capture of Jerusalem ? because we didn’t have easy internet access , social media cell phone .

    If JCOPA were implemented in 1998 and reneged by USA in 2000, the world would have been blaming Iran

    All we know a deal of separation can always be accompanied by doing your part . British simply left India , Indonesia and Sudan left E Timor and S Sudan .

    Israel can simply leave the occupied area .

    .

    We know these lying thugs and bastards . You also know them well .

  465. anon[312] • Disclaimer says:
    @melpol

    Do you have the source to the claim that China is trying to attract the Jews ?

    • Replies: @melpol
  466. melpol says:
    @anon

    My source is my uncle Morris the Jew who owns a new York Style bagel shop in Beijing. He welcomes me to China along with all my tribesmen. Xi might visit Israel and return with millions of Jews. He will be called the NEW MOSES Savior of the Jews.

  467. melpol says:

    Many Jews are now learning Mandarin including President Trumps granddaughter Arabella. Living in China is a great opportunity to escape European style Jew-hatred. Jews loved Chinese food in NYC and will love it in China. Israel is too small for most Jews, they will mix well with 1.4 billion Chinese.

  468. anon[312] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Many people not just the non-Israelis, see Israel and the Settlets ( not the indigenous people) as apocalyptic, that they would self sacrifice the world to get rid of the non Jews. ( always looking for red calf , always trying to break into the gate of Al Aska mosque creating ISIS providing logistical support to rebel’s protecting their warehouse and even rescuing their spokespersons . Already through Epstein ,is putting prince Andrew on the dock with Clinton in tow . More money baby and less visibility over Palestine and stay out of JCOPA

    They ,Jews , also have a real desire to see be seen as the last saviors to the rest of humanity . Elam Tikkun . Bacon of light ,

    The Sunis are not frightened of an nuclear armed Shia nation. They know that from 1984 to 2013
    Jews have been warning the world of Iran having either already a few nukes or getting it in 1 year or in next 5 yr. No Muslim made that accusation.
    Next a Jew by some stupid name Platki from AEI acknowledged that the scary part of nuclear Iran is that Iran would not use it against anybody destroying the false narrative the western governments (Israeli pressure ) have developed . Nuclear Iran would be a normal player and that would hurt our (AEI) position against Iran

    Projection is the Jew game .

  469. melpol says:
    @anonymous

    Pragmatism will overcome spiritualism if the Israeli economy goes into a severe recession. Jews will be leaving for the US and Europe. Most will earn a better than average income. Some will inter-marry and cease being Jews. Israel will remain a Holy City but it will be called Palestine. Its a win-win outcome and all will survive.

  470. Pheasant says:
    @Sean

    ‘Who attacked who is not important, it really isn’t because no one ever won a war and then said they were in the wrong to start it and made restitution. ‘

    What a psychopath.

  471. Naresh says:
    @anonymous

    The immutable laws of karma, like the laws of physics, govern the transitions from one moment to the next. These laws caused the past to become the present, and will likewise continue forward. That is why the poet said something like — ‘All the plans of mice and men, gang aft agley.’

  472. Tumi says:

    In pivot, US says it no longer regards Israel’s West Bank settlements as illegal
    Repudiating 1978 opinion that settlements are ‘inconsistent with international law,’ Secretary Pompeo tells press that previous designation ‘has not advanced the cause of peace’

    Pompeo repudiated a 1978 State Department legal opinion that held that civilian settlements in the occupied territories are “inconsistent with international law.” The move was welcomed by the government of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu,
    The Times for Israel

    In pivot, US says it no longer regards Israel’s West Bank settlements as illegal

    Settler leaders call for West Bank annexation after US shifts stance
    Politicians and others say Trump administration’s pivot away from 1978 decision that found settlements inconsistent with international law gives Israel cover to lay claim to land

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/settler-leaders-call-for-west-bank-annexation-after-us-shifts-stance/

    War will never end .

  473. Tumi says:

    Last weekend, Jordan announced that it would end the lease of two enclaves of land to Israel.

    As part of the unjust 1994 peace deal signed between Israel and Jordan, the latter gave Israelis access to these Jordanian territories for 25 years.

    But on Sunday, the lease expired. Jordan’s king announced that the two small territories – in the north and south, along the Jordanian border with historic Palestine (which is fully controlled by Israeli occupation forces), would be taken back into the hands of their rightful owners.

    Israel’s racist prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, had exerted intense pressure for his state’s occupation of the two territories to continue. He threatened to annex them in a similar fashion to which Israel illegally annexed eastern Jerusalem and Syria’s Golan Heights.

    As Palestinian broadcasting legend and political analyst, Abdel Bari Atwan, put it this week, “while such arm-twisting may have worked in the past, this time it failed, and the Jordanian state insisted on regaining every inch of its territory. By resisting all this pressure, the Jordanian monarch acted in accordance with the strongly-held and clearly-expressed will of the people.”

    Middle East Monitor

    Slowly the soul of the resistance is touching other vassal nations . Another good sign . It also shows the gross disrespect to American attitude , dismissive view of anything that an US could do to harm Jordan , a dependent of US largesse .

    • Agree: Iris
  474. Bookish1 says:
    @melpol

    Don’t assume that everything will be the same for jews worldwide. Everything might be different.

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