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“America is willing to sacrifice its young soldiers and national interests and even its economy for Israel,” Gilad Atzmon, who was born in a Jewish family in Israel and grew up in Jerusalem al-Quds, tells the Tehran Times. *

Atzmon, who now lives in Britain, also says, “Israeli pressure groups seem to believe that they are actually more powerful and certainly more important than the American constitution.”

The following is the text of the interview:

Tehran Times: Numerous rights bodies have slammed Western countries’ arms trade with Israel. What is your comment?

Gilad Atzmon: For decades, Israel has been selling killing machines to the most oppressive regimes around the world and this shouldn’t be surprising, as Israel itself is at the forefront of the list of oppressive regimes.

Embarrassed by the Israeli government’s current arming of Azerbaijan in its war with Armenia, Holocaust scholar Israel W. Charny penned an article for The Times of Israel titled: Would Israel sell a used drone to a Hitler? Charny admits in his piece that Israel’s conduct is fundamentally unethical. He ends his commentary writing, “to my Armenian colleagues and friends, I can only say that as a Jew and as an Israeli, I am mortified – and angry.”

I would think that if Israel’s leading genocide historian allows himself to admit in an Israeli nationalist outlet that the Jewish State is profiting from non-ethical arms trade, the rest of us should be entitled to engage with this topic freely and to use every possible platform to denounce Israel or anyone else from profiting from non- ethical practices.

The issues go well beyond Israel’s arms trade. A few days ago we learned from the Jewish Press about a Bipartisan bill in America that would give Israel a say on Middle East arms sales. The bill “would require the President to consult with the Israeli government to ensure concerns are settled.” If the bill passes, the USA military industrial complex trade would be dependent on Israeli consent.

Tehran Times: How great is the influence of the Zionist and Jewish lobbies in the United States and how can this status quo change?

GA: The facts regarding the immense influence of Israel and the Jewish Lobby in the USA and other Western countries have been established for a while. One can refer to The Israeli Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy, a detailed study by two of the most influential American social scientists (Prof. John Mersheimer & Prof. Stephen Walt). Another leading American political scientist admired by a generation of academics who also covered the topic is, of course, Prof James Petras in his book The Power of Israel in the United States.

What can be done about the well documented domination of AIPAC? I would like to believe that the most effective method to approach this topic would be to point squarely at The Lobby and its corrosive impact: this entails pointing the finger at the wars the USA fights on behalf of Israel, the sanctions that the USA mounts for Israel, the fact that America is willing to sacrifice its young soldiers and national interests and even its economy for Israel. Theoretically speaking, American citizens are entitled to voice such criticisms as freedom of speech is enshrined in the first amendment of their constitution. Israeli pressure groups seem to believe that they are actually more powerful and certainly more important than the American constitution. A few months ago we learned that Right wing activists attempted to spread new laws across Republican controlled states that would suppress criticism on public university campuses of Israel and its occupation of Palestinian territory.

By now, the USA is practically functioning as a remote and subservient Israeli satellite. I am unable to identify any genuine political force in the USA that can change this anytime soon. I do not see anyone within American politics who is willing to tackle the matter. But the American people, like the Brits and the French are no fools, they see it all.

Tehran Times: Though Israel is violating and defying international law on a daily basis, its Western supporters and allies continue to support these actions or at least turn a blind eye to what is taking place. How do you assess this double standard?

GA: In general, it’s a good practice not to overestimate people’s intelligence. But Israel and its Lobby make the opposite mistake; they tend to believe that people are far stupider than they are.

People do see what is going on and the general discomfort with Israel and its lobby is growing rapidly. People do notice Israeli criminality, they also notice their politicians on all levels operating as foreign agents for a criminal state. Israel and The Lobby interpret this rise of awareness as ‘growing anti-Semitism,’ but this is hyperbole. A general mass awareness has surfaced. The Israelis and The Lobby know that once you see the full picture, you can’t just un-see it. In that respect, Israel is facing a wall of silent resistance and the consequences of this reality are unpredictable.

It is fascinating to observe the tsunami of mass protests that we see within Israel against Netanyahu and institutional corruption. The Israelis, or at least many of them, are also tired of themselves being themselves. It is very possible that in line with Jewish history, it will actually be the Jews who bring their current empire down. As far as I can tell they are better at that battle than anyone else.

Tehran Times: How do the Western countries exploit Human Rights as a tool to apply their policies and how do they politicize Human Rights?

ORDER IT NOW

GA: Human rights issues are close to our hearts. We don’t like to see abuse of others, we hate discrimination, we are appalled by racism of any kind. Seemingly, some were clever enough to attach barcodes to these genuine universal and ethical feelings. As things stand, human rights matters have morphed into a profitable industry. Many human rights campaigns are funded by elements who are themselves dedicated human rights abusers.

Since the Palestinian struggle is close to my heart it took me little time to find out that while the BDS movement was receiving money from George Soros’ Open Society Institute, BDS changed its goal statement and practically gave up on the Palestinian Right of Return.

In 2012 the BDS National Committee in Ramallah made a crucial change to its goal statement. It changed the wording of its original (June 2005) mission statement from “demanding that Israel end its occupation and colonization of all Arab lands” to demanding that Israel end “its occupation and colonization of all Arab lands occupied in June 1967*” My attempt to find out who introduced this change revealed that this new wording first appeared in Omar Barghouti’s 2011 book, ‘BDS: Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions: the Global Struggle for Palestinian Rights’ (page 6).

It seems that since 2011, The BDS National Committee basically abandoned the most precious Palestinian right—it drifted away from the commitment to land occupied since 1948 and limited its struggle to the liberation of lands occupied in 1967. Further attempts to clarify who made the change and by what process revealed that this significant change was made in a clandestine manner—it appeared only in English. It has never appeared in Arabic or any other language. It is evident that the change took place behind the backs of the Palestinian people. Despite BDS’ claim to be a ‘civil society’ representing more than 170 Palestinian organizations, Palestinians were totally unaware of the BDS National Committee’s compromise of their mission.

Further investigation revealed that BDS—like most Palestinian NGOs—was funded by George Soros’ Open Society Institute. In 2013 I was asked to review a book titled Israel/Palestine and the Queer International, by Sarah Schulman. It was Schulman who resolved the mysterious change in the BDS goal statement. In her search for funding for a young Palestinian Queer USA tour in support of BDS, Schulman wrote that she was advised to approach George Soros’ Open Society institute. The following account may leave you flabbergasted, as it did me:

“A former ACT UP staffer who worked for the Open Society Institute, George Soros’ foundation, suggested that I file an application there for funding for the tour. When I did so it turned out that the person on the other end had known me from when we both attended Hunter [College] High School in New York in the 1970s. He forwarded the application to the institutes’s office in Amman, Jordan, and I had an amazing one-hour conversation with Hanan Rabani, its director of the Women’s and Gender program for the Middle East region. Hanan told me that this tour would give great visibility to autonomous queer organizations in the region. That it would inspire queer Arabs—especially in Egypt and Iran…for that reason, she said, funding for the tour should come from the Amman office” (Israel/Palestine and the Queer International , by Sarah Schulman p. 108).

Here is clear and embarrassing evidence of a crude intervention made by George Soros’ institute in an attempt to shape Arab and Islamic culture and political life. We also learn about the manner in which Soros’ Open Society Institute introduces gay and queer politics to the region. Apparently money for a tour promoting Palestine and BDS is traveling from Soros’ Open Society to Jordan and then back to the USA with the hope that such a manoeuvre would “inspire” gays in Iran.

This makes it clear why BDS had “good reason” to remain silent regarding its funding sources. After all, being funded directly or indirectly by a liberal Zionist philanthropist, a man who also funds the openly Zionist JStreet and was invested in Israeli companies in the West Bank, is indeed embarrassing. But the meaning of it is rather devastating. The discourse of the solidarity of the oppressed is shaped by the sensitivities of the oppressor who funds the movement of the oppressed. We see this in the Palestine solidarity movement, we saw the same thing in Occupy Wall Street and currently in some segments of BLM activity. Instead of genuinely caring for the oppressed, Human rights and solidarity movements often morph into policing forces that dedicate themselves to controlling the so-called opposition.

The case of the language of BDS has a good ending. Though Omar Barghouti didn’t change the words printed in his book where he bluntly compromised on occupied land demands on behalf of the Palestinian people. The BDS movement eventually changed its goal statement once again. It now resembles the original 2005 statement opposing occupation of ALL Arab Land.

Tehran Times: Why doesn’t Israel accept the idea of a nuclear-free zone in the region?

GA: The real meaning of thinking yourself chosen is in attributing a unique sense of impunity to yourself and to no one else. In real politics this means that your Jewish State is the only nuclear power in the region, your Air Force is the only one to fly F-35s, your army is not committed to any recognized ethical standards, your military industry trades with the darkest regimes around. Try to imagine a world where everyone believes themselves to be chosen.

  • In the Interview the Iranian outlet refers to me as “a Jewish political activist.” I wrote to the Tehran Times and pointed out that I am neither an activist nor I am a Jew. However, by the time I posted this article, my request is yet to make any impact.
(Republished from Gilad Atzmon by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Ugetit says:

    By now, the USA is practically functioning as a remote and subservient Israeli satellite.

    That should come as no surprise since the USA has long functioned as a groveling subservient and key satellite of the thoroughly corrupt and vicious One World Talmudic mafiosi such as Zionists and Communists while decent Jews, like the decent goyim, knew it and opposed it but with essentially zero effect so far.

    Organized crime pays.

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  2. Sirius says:

    I remember back in the 90s when Martin Indyk, an Australian turned US citizen only in 1993, and who got his start in the US by working for AIPAC, became a top US official as Assistant Secretary of State for Near East Eastern. Such a meteoric rise for someone who had only been an American citizen for a few years was unheard of.

    But now, it seems like small potatoes, and it seems much more brazen. A bipartisan bill to allow Israel a say in Middle East arms sales? It now seems almost absurd that Trump moved the US embassy to Jerusalem. What he really should be doing is moving the US Congress itself to Jerusalem. As far as I can see, the only inconvenience will be the time zone difference.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
    , @Chet Roman
    , @Jake
  3. anon[146] • Disclaimer says:

    Re human rights distortion, the outside world has been officially onto this since 1981. A/RES/36/103, the non-intervention principle, is customary international law. In the opinion of the ICJ President (NICARAGUA v. UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, Judgment of 27 June 1986,) “The principle of non-intervention is to be treated as a sanctified absolute rule of law.”

    Para II§l of the declaration affirms “The duty of a State to refrain from the exploitation and the distortion of human rights issues as a means of interference in the internal affairs of States, of exerting pressure on other States or creating distrust and disorder within and among States or groups of States;”

    So this prohibition is US state and federal common law and judiciable in the World Court, the ICC, or other international forums. With the right kind of pressure the public at large can shut down Israeli human rights distortion as foreign interference. The Human Rights Committee has concluded that Israel does not interpret its human rights commitments in good faith. This breaches a peremptory norm of international law.

    You have to look ahead to the endgame: decapitating the GOI with prosecutions until it dissolves itself.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
    , @A123
  4. @Sirius

    What he really should be doing is moving the US Congress itself to Jerusalem.

    But think of the convenience for Netanyahu not having to travel so much. Aren’t his wants and needs along with Israel’s more important? Isn’t Israel always the first priority?

    This bipartisan bill will be kept quiet so the bulk of the population won’t learn of it. Even if they did, they can’t do anything about it as the people have no control; they gave it all away to their elected representatives by voting.

    • Replies: @animalogic
    , @Ace
  5. @anon

    If nothing else, this should tell the entire world that the laws don’t mean anything to the people that write the laws. They do as they please as long as they have the threat of force to back them up.

    The UN, ICC, etc are just social clubs for their denizens. These people are paid exorbitantly to write pronouncements and stomp their feet on occasion but to never actually do anything of substance. They exist to merely pretend to do something, and they know it and want it that way.

    Just another gov’t run scam.

  6. ‘…People do see what is going on and the general discomfort with Israel and its lobby is growing rapidly…’

    So we would like to think. So I would like to think.

    But the sweet little old lady that my wife goes to church with explains that we have to vote for Trump because ‘he’s the only one who will support Israel’ (I’m going to vote for Trump, but for rather different reasons).

    My daughter’s boyfriend overhears me ranting about the evil of the Zionist entity and asks in genuine puzzlement: ‘what’s wrong with Israel?’

    Do people see what’s going on?

    • Agree: Old and Grumpy
    • Replies: @A123
    , @AnonStarter
    , @RodW
  7. A123 says:
    @anon

    ICC Prosecutor & War Criminal Bensouda has been sanctioned for her egregious violations of International Law: (1)

    On September 2, the United States designated the chief prosecutor from the International Criminal Court (ICC), as well as an ICC senior official, to the Specially Designated Nationals (SDN) and Blocked Persons List, the first exercise of sanctions under a June 11 executive order targeting the ICC due to its ongoing investigation of U.S. military actions in Afghanistan. The newly designated ICC prosecutor, Fatou Bensouda, is a Gambian lawyer

    Bensouda’s U.S. visa was revoked after she signaled her intention to [illegally] pursue the Afghanistan war crimes investigation last year. In announcing the new sanctions Wednesday, Secretary Pompeo described the ICC as a “thoroughly broken and corrupted institution.”

    Nothing can be accomplished through the ICC and similar failed bodes. These are organizations that commit war crimes. They do not prevent or investigate them.

    PEACE 😇
    _______

    (1) https://fcpablog.com/2020/09/04/united-states-sanctions-icc-prosecutor-investigating-potential-war-crimes/

    • Agree: Agent76
    • Troll: Art
  8. A123 says:
    @Colin Wright

    Do people see what’s going on?

    Yes. They see Palestinian Jews living in Jewish Palestine.

    Rational human beings cannot grasp why deranged non-Palestinian Muslims terrorists keep killing Jewish Palestinian children and trying to steal Jewish Palestinian land. They do not understand why non-Palestinian Muslims cannot return home to Muslim lands.

    Fortunately, after 70+ years of abject failure, fellow Muslims are giving up on the unsuccessful attempt to steal Jewish Palestine from Palestinian Jews. This gives significant hope that compensated & honorable relocation of non-Palestinian Muslims out of Jewish Palestine will at some point be accepted as the obvious solution leading towards permanent reconciliation.

    PEACE 😇

    • Troll: Art
  9. anon[235] • Disclaimer says:

    Roatan Bill, whose heart is in the right place, and Zionazi Talmud Cadet A123, I am pleased to have hit your knees with the rubber hammer and elicited the US indoctrination reflex, “UN! Useless! UN! Corrupt! UN! Doubleplusungood!”

    Evidently you two got brainwashed to forget the time when the mere prospect of an ICJ injunction stopped a US war. And the reparations that the US meekly paid after getting its ass kicked by real lawyers, Iranian lawyers, in the ICJ. Or the fact that the only real ameliorative changes in your bullshit police state have been the result of pressure by the international community in treaty bodies – narrow, focused changes for the state’s most wretched victims, e.g. to capital punishment, psychological torture, and criminalization of poverty, but those are the priorities of the outside world – start with the most sadistic torment of the most helpless.

    No, you’re all wet, thank goodness. Your police state doesn’t give a shit what you think, but it’s exquisitely sensitive to pressure from the civilized world. Public disgrace in the most public forums in the world will dismantle your regimes in time. (Israel first, when the US jettisons it.)

    • LOL: A123
    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  10. But the American people, like the Brits and the French are no fools, they see it all.

    Sorry, but I don’t see this as correct. There are very few people in the west that see the scam for what it is. They are too consumed by the things that matter in the world, entertainment, shopping, the fight for freedoms etc, all things that are owned and controlled by the Zionists.

    • Agree: dimples, chris
    • Replies: @chris
  11. chris says:

    Very interesting interview. The only statement I disagree with is:

    But the American people, like the Brits and the French are no fools, they see it all.

    • Replies: @chris
  12. @RoatanBill

    Do you think the public would actually notice the shift of congress to Jerusalem? Would the MSM report on it? If they did notice would they care (other than the time zone inconvenience)?

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  13. Here in Australia I suspect a majority of people, confronted with terms like “jew”, “zionist” or Israel would simply not get “it” or…. anything . Even explanation would leave many dumbfounded.
    However, I maybe mistaken or unfair.

    • Replies: @Ugetit
  14. @Sirius

    Actually Indyk first made aliyah to Israel from Australia but in a very telling comment he once said that he could better serve Israel in the U.S. His rise is not surprising, look at Sigal Mandelker who is an Israeli citizen and was named Under Secretary of the Treasury for Terrorism and Financial Intelligence, a position that seems to be grandfather to only Jews.

  15. @A123

    More Bollocks from the rabid Zionist A123. You can not stop lying.
    Does not take much brain work out that the A stands for Asshole.

  16. Mefobills says:

    The real meaning of thinking yourself chosen is in attributing a unique sense of impunity to yourself and to no one else

    Combine “chosen-ness” with psychological projection, and you get endless hysteria about Nazis and “white supremacy.”

    NSDAP Germany did target the Jew, but mostly in a defensive way for German national survival.

    In other words, Germans of that era, did analyze their predicament, and discovered Jewish “choseness” and behavior was a motivating factor behind finance “international” attempts to dispossess and strangle the German people.

    Today, Iran finds itself in the same predicament and is interested in self survival. Zion wants Persians dead.

    Today, “supposed” white supremacists, who have analyzed their predicament, find themselves being projected upon. Any aware “white supremacist,” born into second class status because of their Christian religion, or skin color, should have sympathy for naaaziiis and people of Iran.

    Supposed white supremacists should know that projection leads to Zion’s desires to impose a death penalty.

  17. Ace says:
    @RoatanBill

    By voting for the wrong people. By not using the write-in ballot. The mere act of voting is not the issue.

    Presidents McCain, Romney, and Clinton agree with me.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  18. Yes, the American people are aware of anomalies in their relationship with Israel but as long as the bread and circuses continued to be provided, the public won’t rise up against the fraud perpetrated by our so called rulers. However, mark my word, the day of reckoning is approaching faster than a blink of an eye… God help all involved!

  19. @anon

    The US does whatever it wants whenever it wants. A momentary hesitation on its part does not constitute a significant reaction to any external effort.

    The US is famous for not granting visas to foreign officials that want to appear before the UN in New York. The US will do anything and everything to get its way in the world. All the political organizations are eventually corrupted and controlled via infiltration to the point none of them is a deterrent to US hegemony.

    These organizations spring up so that their management can extend their hands to receive the grants and other slush funds from the US to start the inevitable process towards corruption. They know that if they build it, the US money will come.

    Sorry, but your rose colored glasses are blinding you to the stone cold truth. Every political animal world wide is a POS. Please see: https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/10/john-w-whitehead/dont-vote-for-a-psychopath-tyranny-at-the-hands-of-a-psychopathic-government/

    • Replies: @Mefobills
  20. @animalogic

    All one needs to do is note how stupid the average person is during some of the ‘on the street’ interviews Jay Leno did or others have done since. People don’t know where whole countries are, where the oceans are, how many branches of US gov’t there are, etc.

    The average USian is an uneducated pampered and entitled moron. I’d bet that a percentage that don’t know what Washington DC represents now.

    • Replies: @Ugetit
  21. @Ace

    Lets take the members of Congress as a test case.

    How many of them are millionaires 10 to 100 times over? How many of them became millionaires while in office? What actual skill do these people have besides getting elected in a system purposely designed to attract the absolute worst in the society?

    Voting for the system that produces the corrupt mess the US Fed Gov is amounts to supporting a criminal enterprise. How can anyone with a conscience vote for the continuation of the corruption that the US Fed Gov represents via its members of Congress?

    If you vote for either party, you are voting for the continuation of everything that is wrong with the country. Voting hasn’t and can’t fix what’s wrong because the Congress is a criminal racket in tent on their self aggrandizement and personal enrichment. See the Hunter / Joe Biden mess for the most recent and blatant example.

  22. Mefobills says:
    @RoatanBill

    Sorry, but your rose colored glasses are blinding you to the stone cold truth. Every political animal world wide is a POS. Please see:

    I went to your Lolbertarian website to read for the LoL’s.

    Don’t vote for a psychopath, but there is nothing in Lolbertarian ideology about how to remove and prevent psychopaths from entering government in the first place. We can brain scan for psychopathy now, by the way.

    In Lolbertarian mythology, governments are not necessary, and some sort of mythical self-organizing through god-like free markets is the answer; And metal is money, because it is shiny and doesn’t rust.

    It was always Kingdom’s in the past, which mustered the Statesman-like ability to erase predatory debts and smash finance oligarchy. Our Jewish friends, who fund Lolberatarianism, were never ejected by a universal suffrage elected democracy. Here is a list and dates for the 109 expulsions:

    https://biblebelievers.org.au/expelled.htm

    Where on the list did Lolbertarianism work to eject internal parasites?

    Putin wasn’t elected, he was appointed first by Yelstin, and then later Putin was sanctioned by a vote.

    Universal suffrage democracy is free-dumb, for the dumb Shanikwa’s of the world to be easily swayed by a bought off press.

    A free market is free for usurers, rentiers, and for organized (((in-groups))) to buy up the press. It is free market for corporations to become more than people and to become perpetual though new law, like Citizen United.

    Here is a laugher from the author:

    The goal of the modern corporate state is obvious: to promote, cultivate, and embed a sense of shared identification among its citizens. To this end, “we the people” have become “we the police state.”

    The modern corporate state was a Jewish free market creation, which first began in 1694.

    1) First corporations (East Indies Companies)
    2) Charters for corporations, which supposedly were time limited, but have since become perpetual.
    3) Private Bank Corporation, which creates the money instead of the King (Bank of England)
    4) Stock on-sold into markets.

    The stock market capital, and banking private credit as money, then becomes the string pullers. This is where the hidden psychopaths are present, and their god is mammon.

    Anything for a buck.

    Lolbertarians have no answers, and are only good for the LoL’s. It’s a shame, because they have good intentions, but have been derailed by propaganda.

    • Agree: frankie p
    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  23. @A123

    Diversity is strength. You shouldn’t be moving Muslims out, but rather make them equal partners. Also seems like Jews need a pro Palestinian version of critical race theory to be taught to them. It would do you wonders, especially with that supremacist styled chosen mindset. Has Israel considered a freedom from religion in the public sphere as Jew have promoted here in the States? Finally you make no mention of the Palestinian Christians. Please don’t tell me they aren’t being genocide.

    • Replies: @A123
  24. Jake says:
    @Sirius

    Isn’t that the logic of Anglo-Zionist Empire?

    Isn’t it a given that a Judaizing heresy – such as Anglo-Saxon Puritanism – will produce political and cultural fruit that is philo-Semitic?

    • Replies: @geokat62
  25. Ugetit says:
    @animalogic

    Here in Australia I suspect a majority of people, confronted with terms like “jew”, “zionist” or Israel would simply not get “it” or…. anything . Even explanation would leave many dumbfounded.
    However, I maybe mistaken or unfair.

    I don’t think you’re being mistaken or unfair, as I have the same lament about people here in the USSA, unfortunately. Essentially I recognized the futility of trying to reason about such things long ago and even quit quizzing folks on their views, and now just make a very mild joke in response to views they express, if any.

  26. Ugetit says:
    @RoatanBill

    I’d bet that a percentage that don’t know what Washington DC represents now.

    Make that “a very large percentage” and if one told them, they’d still be as insouciant as they are clueless.

  27. anon[310] • Disclaimer says:

    So, Roatan Bill, re 19, your general assertion does not address any of the counterexamples I cite. Am I right that you were unaware of them? No shame in that – they’re among the best-kept secrets here behind the Iron Curtain. Or are you ignoring them because you think I’m misinterpreting those events?

    The US certainly tries its best to corrupt multilateral organizations, but with mixed success. Early on they corrupted the UN Secretariat. Lately they corrupted the WHO and the CWC treaty body. They haven’t been able to pervert the UNGA, and they ran from ECOSOC at the outset so they never managed to infiltrate that. Often when the US doesn’t get what it wants they take their football and go home, losing any clout they had (examples: UNESCO, the HRC.) So your point cannot stand as a general statement. There are organizations and organizations.

    Your other point, that international organizations are government gravy trains, is false on the face of it. The USA’s first-line weapon against independent UN organizations is to starve them of funds. Sucking-the-federal-tit is a parochial US notion imposed on the outside world, which is different than the USA. The outside world has an ethos that the USA’s implacably opposed to: they believe in UN Charter Article 100. UN staff and delegations effortlessly tie their US counterparts in knots. If they wanted to cash in, they would do that in more lucrative professions.

    So, you see, what you’re telling me is boilerplate US propaganda: “UN impotent! UN corrupt!” with the government-issue hallmark of extreme generalization. It’s the standard US slogans, in your own words.

  28. A123 says:
    @Old and Grumpy

    Diversity is strength.

    SJW Globalist fiction.

    The shared ideals brought by Judeo-Christian beliefs in God is Strength. Diversity is anti-strength.

    Also seems like Jews need a pro Palestinian version of critical race theory to be taught to them. It would do you wonders, especially with that supremacist styled chosen mindset.

    Let me fix that for you:

    non-Palestinian Muslims need a pro-Palestinian version of critical religion theory to be taught to them. It would do you wonders, especially with that Jihadi Supremacist styled mindset you have chosen.

    Muslims need to accept that they are at fault. They must end their oppression against the local Judeo-Christian religions that began in Palestine.

    Returning home is good for the non-Palestinian Muslims too. Imagine how much better they will do when they stop wasting resources trying to steal:
    — Jewish Palestinian land from Palestinian Jews, and
    — Christian Palestinian land from Palestinian Christians

    Finally you make no mention of the Palestinian Christians. Please don’t tell me they aren’t being genocide.

    Non-Palestinian Muslims are ethnically cleansing historically Christian areas in Palestine. Bethlehem was once ~90% Christian. Violent Jihadists have cleansed that down to 10%-15%. The goal of Islam is to eradicate all Infidels (Christians & Jews).

    The departure of genocidal Islam would do much to improve the lives of Palestinian Christians.

    PEACE 😇

  29. @Mefobills

    I read your entire post and came away asking myself what was the point of it.

    I got the impression you use a stream of consciousness approach to writing and periodically and randomly put a fraction of that stream into print while keeping whole paragraph equivalents just in your head.

    There’s a certain amount of skill required to write prose that others can read and understand. You might want to consider a writing class.

    • Replies: @Mefobills
  30. geokat62 says:

    Another solid Athenian contribution by Gilad Atzmon in the battle between Athens and Jerusalem.

    My two favourite quotes:

    The discourse of the solidarity of the oppressed is shaped by the sensitivities of the oppressor who funds the movement of the oppressed…

    Try to imagine a world where everyone believes themselves to be chosen.

  31. geokat62 says:
    @Jake

    Isn’t that the logic of Anglo-Zionist Empire?

    Give it up, Jacob. There is only one empire now… and it ain’t Anglo.

  32. Biden is now totally out of his mind! He is approving his own message. He is crazy.

  33. People should have seen by Iraq 2, that human rights were were being used as stepping stones to war and empire. The spirit of the law is noble, but the letter can be misused, and the masses mislead. I ranted this to my friends in uni in 2004, and none really gave a hoot.

    Thank you for the BDS tidbits, they will be invaluable to poke my BDS friends now, although, once again, they probably won’t listen!

    I have had an additional thought on chosenness though: initially, chosenness implied ‘act before you think – with respect to Jewish law’.. The Rabbis then declared that if they agree, God is subservient to their decision.. so ‘think, before you act – but only for the legislative authority’..

    This ‘thinking first for the spiritual elites, but acting first for the masses’ strikes me as an important condition for the advancement of any autocratic system worth its muster.

    If the above is accurate though, who remains chosen – those that think before they act, or those that listen to those that broke God’s covenant?

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
  34. A Federal Judge* outlawed the Metzitzah B’peh practice in New York, baby boys were contracting AIDS, suffering and dying. The Jewish Rabbis told her to F herself, they were going underground. Now when the insanity of circumcision in any form is administered, there is a serious problem with our “Thinking Stuff”!!! Hi Gilad, do you want to (still after all these years) publish a book that has also fine art illustrations? Ron Unz, I need to provide another contact source for Gilad, shall do to you via a new post. *Naomi Buchwald

  35. Mefobills says:
    @RoatanBill

    Ad-hominem much… “stream of conscious, take a writing class, low skill, random fractions?”

    The points I made were very targeted and direct, which is why your panties are in a wad.

    Lolbertarians are only good for the LoL’s, and when pinned down, all they have is ad-hominems.

    The ideology is actually dangerous because it puts mental blinders on well meaning people. It is cul-de-sacs of bad thought.

    Disarming people with bad thought, allows them to become victims, to have their pockets picked by determined in-groups.

    In lol-bertarian lol-lol land, there is no such thing as determined in-groups operating against society.

  36. @Ilya G Poimandres

    The hypocrisy is clearly shown in case of Rwanda. there the majority of Huti’s decided to massacre the more prosperous Tutsi’s. And pretty unpleasant ways. I might say. Nobody did care.
    Where were all the human right activist than? So the human rights card is used only when it is needed to achieve some material or political aim.
    …………………………………………………………………..
    Filthy business !

  37. sarz says:

    Gilad denying he’s a Jew makes as much sense as a black denying he’s black.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Prajna
  38. Agent76 says:

    May 27, 2020 Israeli apartheid condemned in European Parliament

    Mick Wallace, a member of the European Parliament from Ireland, confronts EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell about EU’s failure to hold Israel accountable, at a hearing of the Security and Defence Committee, 26 May 2020.

  39. @Colin Wright

    Do people see what’s going on?

    Good question. My own experience leads me to conclude that there is an increasing consciousness of Israel’s influence upon domestic and foreign policy, though the example of your daughter’s boyfriend merely shows that there’s a lot of work to be done.

    If it’s been proven that repetition is an effective method of advertising, so it must be with any message, however familiar it may be to us.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  40. The BDS movement can be perceived in two ways: the first is as the formal organization bearing the name, one funded in part by Soros and, as such, controlled opposition; the second is as a phenomenon representative of a general resistance to Israeli occupation and hegemonic ambition, one that transcends the official dicta of the formal organization.

    It’s somewhat analogous to Donald Trump. There is President Trump, shabbos goy extraordinaire, who moved the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem and signed away academic freedom on college campuses to appease the usual suspects, and then there is a constituency behind Trump who doesn’t care for any of this, but is pleased that he didn’t start any new wars and appreciates the fact that he doesn’t seem to be easily cowed by the corona hysteria.

    It’s usually necessary to draw these distinctions, since most folks won’t understand support for one or the other without so doing.

  41. @sarz

    ‘Gilad denying he’s a Jew makes as much sense as a black denying he’s black.’

    Well, no. Being black is largely genetic. Not entirely — see the ‘one drop rule.’ Creatures like Kamala Harris or Susan Rice can claim to be ‘black’ even though that’s actually the smallest part of their genetic heritage. But in essence, ‘blackness’ is a genetic attribute.

    Conversely, it’s very debatable if there’s much of a genetic component to Jewish identity at all. Jews are, above all, related to their gentile neighbors. Some will shriek otherwise; I can’t stop them.

    But really, you’re as Jewish as you feel. Some people discover only as adults that they’ve a Jewish grandmother or whatever. My mother was pleased to speculate that her maiden name was a Jewish name, and the bearer of it apparently just shed being Jewish when he got here in 1864 or whenever and discovered that if he forgot about how he was Jewish, everyone else would as well.

    But I suspect my mother just cooked that up to have something interesting to say. Is it true?

    I suppose it could be. However, how Jewish am I? Well…not too Jewish.

    So I’d question if Gilad has left his Jewish identity as far behind him as he might claim. But in principle, if he stops thinking he’s Jewish, he stops being Jewish. That doesn’t happen if you’re black.

  42. Antiwar7 says:

    Some of the most un-Zionist people I’ve ever met were of Jewish descent. Amazing, actually. Though I respect the decision of Gilad and anyone else to reject being labeled as “a Jew”. I just mean this from a cultural, anthropological point of view.

    • Replies: @chris
  43. chris says:
    @chris

    Or maybe it’s just the word “no”

  44. There is no jew against israel. It’s a smoke screen. these guys are invasive.

  45. chris says:
    @Ukraine Tiger

    GA lives in England, he’s showing a little deference for his country folk. Given the selling out that they’re currently undertaking with regard to one of their own, Assange; it may well be a most tactful ‘tack’ GA is pursuing.

  46. chris says:
    @Antiwar7

    Whenever I see that I always have the feeling they’re either trying to troll us, they’re testing us, or they’re spying our reactions to confirm their own hysterical “pre-PSD,” as GA so brilliantly put it. The latter 2 points usually cover it all.

    • Replies: @Antiwar7
  47. @Ugetit

    Agree completely, and your comment is in agreement with the book, The Controversy of Zion by Douglas Reed, which lays out the history of zionism.

    • Replies: @Ugetit
  48. “I wrote to the Tehran Times and pointed out that I am neither an activist nor I am a Jew.”

    Atzmon.

    You are a Jew both by genetics and upbringing and you will always be a Jew.

    You like to delude yourself that you have erased all the garbage goy hatred from your psyche, but you have not and cannot.

    You oppose, like all Jews, nation states like the UK because you are a Jew, and your liberalism is just rootless cosmopolitan Jewyness designed to dupe and destroy your hosts, just like all other Jews.

    Like liberal Mohammadeans in the West, you cannot allow us to have our own lands because that means you accepting that you are still an ‘other’ and having rejected your own hate-filled people, you have chosen to be rootless.

    That is not our fault; it is the fault of your hate-filled people and our societies need not perish in order to meet your psychological needs.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  49. Ugetit says:
    @Desert Fox

    Thank you for as well as your consistently fine comments.

  50. geokat62 says:
    @Maple Curtain

    You oppose, like all Jews, nation states like the UK because you are a Jew…

    You’re making an assumption, because I don’t believe Gilad has ever made a statement about British nationalism.

    So, let’s put the question directly to him…

    Gilad, are you in favour of civic-nationalism or ethno-nationalism for Britain, in particular, and for all the other European countries, in general?

  51. @A123

    They see Aliens invading Palestine and murdering Palestinians and Americans.
    Kill! Steal land! That’s ALL THEY DO!

  52. Toronto schools push students to join Israeli military

    Tax dollars promote Canadian arms exports

    The Trudeau government ”announced a 70% increase in military spending, oversaw record (non-US) arms exports last year and dispatched troops on US and NATO missions to Iraq and Latvia (not to mention breaking their promise to rein in Canadian mining companies’ abuses, support for a repressive Haitian president, unprecedented campaign to overthrow Venezuela’s government, anti-Palestinian positions, etc.)

    Rather than representing a break from the Liberals’ pro-US, pro-militarist and pro-capitalist policies, Rae’s appointment reflects a continuation of this outlook. As I detailed in “New UN ambassador Bob Rae pushes pro-US, militarist and anti-Palestinian positions”, Rae aggressively promoted bombing Libya in 2011, allied with Stephen Harper to extend the occupation of Afghanistan and has repeatedly undercut Palestinian rights.”

    https://yvesengler.com/

  53. RodW says:
    @Colin Wright

    I don’t think average people in the UK see what’s going on at all. My elderly parents understand that Israel is an apartheid state and a regional bully. But when I try to show them evidence of jewish influence in UK politics, on immigration, on war policy, in media and so on, they say, “We don’t want to hear any of this antisemitism”.

    It reminds me of those ants who get infected by a highly developed fungus that takes over control of their brains and bodies and makes them work for the interests of the fungus.

    There surely are Britons and French who see what’s going on, but they’re hardly a majority, and you can only discover them through very prudent dog whistling.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  54. saggy says: • Website

    If we want to know the meaning of chosenness why not consult the Torah ….

    Deuteronomy 7:

    6 For you are a people holy to the LORD your God; the LORD your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on earth to be his people, his treasured possession. 7 It was not because you were more numerous than any other people that the LORD set his heart on you and chose you — for you were the fewest of all peoples. 8 It was because the LORD loved you and kept the oath that he swore to your ancestors, that the LORD has brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you from the house of slavery, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt. 9 Know therefore that the LORD your God is God, the faithful God who maintains covenant loyalty with those who love him and keep his commandments, to a thousand generations, 10 and who repays in their own person those who reject him. He does not delay but repays in their own person those who reject him. 11 Therefore, observe diligently the commandment — the statutes
    and the ordinances — that I am commanding you today. 12 If you heed these ordinances, by diligently observing them, the LORDyour God will maintain with you the covenant loyalty that he swore to your ancestors; 13 he will love you, bless you, and multiply you; he will bless the fruit of your womb and the fruit of your ground, your grain and your wine and your oil, the increase of your cattle and the issue of your flock, in the land that he swore to your ancestors to give you. 14 You shall be the most blessed of peoples, with neither sterility nor barrenness among you or your livestock. 15 The LORD will turn away from you every illness; all the dread diseases of Egypt that you experienced, he will not inflict on you, but he will lay them on all who hate you. 16 You shall devour all the peoples that the LORD your God is giving over to you, showing them no pity; you shall not serve their gods, for that would be a snare to you.

  55. @saggy

    Actually, hate-filled Christ Killer, let’s consult the New Testament which blows all of your racial supremacist hate out of the water.

    The essence of Jewry is hate.

    Let us now consult the Talmud…

  56. @saggy

    This sort of thing — taken in a spirit of intellectual inquiry — gives some clues as to the actual origins of Judaism.

  57. @saggy

    Oh Saggy look at this video!! Ivanka Trump visiting Rabbi Schneerson’s grave site. Scheerson is a Chassidic Chabad Rabbi. Is Ivanka a chosen Jew Saggy? Ivanka is a convert. A bonafide orthodox Jew with Jewish children. A convert praying at a Chassidic grave site. She is Jewish Saggy. Born a Christian turned Jewish.

    So much fun to blow your bullshit out the window. Yeah and the Trumps, both Jewish and Christian are against immigration. So who is the goy in this story? Can you pick out the goy? Quick a moving target who is the Jew and who is the goy. Enough to make a Jew haters head spin. Like an illusionist.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @saggy
    , @thotmonger
  58. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Yeah and the Trumps, both Jewish and Christian are against immigration.

    They may be against illegal immigration, but they’re definitely in favour of the legal variety:

    President Donald Trump on Wednesday stood by the off-script comment he made during the State of the Union that he wants legal immigrants coming to our country “in the largest numbers ever.”

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  59. @geokat62

    Geo you missed the whole point a chosen Christian.
    You too can be a chosen one and rule the world. Come on Geo join the tribe.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Colin Wright
  60. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Geo you missed the whole point a chosen Christian

    Chosen Christian? Are those code words for Noahide slave, Fran?

  61. @Fran Taubman

    ‘Geo you missed the whole point a chosen Christian.
    You too can be a chosen one and rule the world. Come on Geo join the tribe.’

    Let’s you and him fight.

  62. saggy says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    So much fun to blow your bullshit out the window.

    ??? I quoted the Torah, and you call it ‘my bullshit’?

    Maybe you’ll believe it if a rabbi today says it …. this is a short clip from a longer vid, linked in the description, that explains why all the Palestinians should be killed …. this will help you understand Judaism and might also be useful in your day-to-day …




    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  63. @saggy

    I never heard him mention Palestinians once. That video is proof. You are so desperate Sags.

    • Replies: @saggy
  64. saggy says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    I never heard him mention Palestinians once.

    I thought you’d have access to the home page for the vid, but I see that you don’t. This is the vid in question, an hour long exposition on why all the Palestinians should be killed ….




    • Replies: @Sirius
  65. Prajna says: • Website
    @sarz

    “Jewish” is an ego identification with a psychopathic supremacist dogma. It is neither a religion (rather a collection of disparate cults) nor a race (given that they are genetically diverse with predominantly central European extraction rather than semitic). Thus anyone identified as such has the ability to disidentify and cease to be part of the tribe, as Gillard has done. In other words, you didn’t think very deeply before posting.

  66. @Fran Taubman

    Show of hands, who among you appreciate how this pack of selfish jackals holds the planet hostage, not only with its control of central banks, but also their stolen weapons arsenal that can plunge the planet into a nuclear winter?

    Rather than more bummer news about Israel, I for one would much prefer to get updates on a random piece of the Pacific Ocean surrounding Guam. Were it not for the $trillions USD spent on wars for Israel, and the untold thousands of live snatched away or well enough ruined in recent years, I would content myself to watch a fish tank, Alas to learn about the Zionist Law of the Sea, one must study those scorpions and snakes.

    And for this we are most grateful to harpooner Atzmon. This essay just planted six or more barbs deep into the back of this power drunk beast. Moby Dick you say? Certainly not! Not the Great White God and symbol of untamed nature. I mean none other than Captain Ahab. The monomaniac who if not stopped on his mission of hate and vengeance and supremacy will surely bring down the Pequod and all the races on board her, down to the bottom of the sea.

  67. @thotmonger

    The monomaniac who if not stopped on his mission of hate and vengeance and supremacy will surely bring down the Pequod and all the races on board her, down to the bottom of the sea.

    Well let’s hope your on board that fateful day and end up at the bottom of the sea. Lol. aka. Captain Ahab. Take some cookies and milk with you. Pretty dark down there.

    • Replies: @thotmonger
  68. Sirius says:
    @saggy

    I don’t think I’ve ever seen such a calm, collected and seemingly rational (I emphasize “seemingly”) argument for genocide. If one didn’t consider what he’s really saying, David Bar Hayim (né Mandel) would sound so reasonable. He also very calmly rejects, actually dismisses outright, that a non-Jew’s life could be worth that of a Jew, basing himself on the Talmud if I’m not mistaken.

    It would help though if you pointed out where in the video you’re referring to, since it’s nearly 2 hours long and quite tedious. I had to skip through it since I didn’t have the patience to listen to every little detail and argument he made. I must say though he was very thorough in his presentation.

    Also, where is the link or home page you mentioned?

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  69. @Fran Taubman

    Well you would, malevolent mother who offers Palestinian children cookies of hollow point lead and the milk of white phosphorus. Do you write your whimsical prose on the bombs about to be dropped on fellow human beings? What souvenirs of war’s carnage do you frame on your walls?

    “I would use words still heavier
    for your avarice afflicts the world
    crushing the good and lifting up the bad.

    “The Evangelist [St. John] had shepherds like you in mind
    When she [the Scarlet Woman] that sitteth upon the many waters
    was seen by him fornicating with kings,

    “She who was born with seven heads [virtues]
    and from them horns [commandments] gained strength
    as long as virtue pleased the bridegroom [the papacy].

    “You have made a god of gold and silver
    and how do you differ from the idolater,
    except that he worships one thing of gold
    and you a hundred?”

    — Dante, Inferno Canto XIX The Simonists

  70. @Sirius

    It is really tedious to go thru that video, because the argument is really tedious. This is one man’s argument and not the main stream of Jewish thought. Like saying Hitler or David Duke represented main stream Christianity. There are 1.7 million Arab citizens of Israel (Muslim and Christian) who have all the equal rights of Jews. The Muslim population has quadrupled since 1948. So much for genocide and so much for Saggy’s rather stupid argument. A better argument would be that the Muslims are trying to genocide the Jews. They have spoken it out loud over and over again. Drive the Jews to the sea. If Israel lost a war do you have any doubt about what would happen to the Jews?
    So the argument is lets get rid of them first before they get rid of us. It has a certain logic to it.

  71. @thotmonger

    ‘…And for this we are most grateful to harpooner Atzmon. This essay just planted six or more barbs deep into the back of this power drunk beast. Moby Dick you say?’

    ? Fran’s not that fat. I don’t think she’s overweight at all. Kind of old — but who am I to criticize?

  72. @Fran Taubman

    ‘It is really tedious to go thru that video, because the argument is really tedious. This is one man’s argument and not the main stream of Jewish thought…’

    So the video does call for exterminating all Palestinians?

    I mean, I don’t want to watch the damned thing.

  73. Sirius says:
    @Fran Taubman

    I’m not aware of present Palestinian leaders, whether Muslim or Christian, whether clerics or not, calling for the outright extermination of the Israelis. They mostly focus on getting the land back. If you have references, feel free to share them. In any case, arguing for genocide because one assumes the other side believes in it is not in my view a principled or ethical position.

    In this case, Bar Hayim is not comparable to Hitler or Duke because neither were priests. Were Duke a priest he presumably could be defrocked and Hitler as far as I know did not claim to speak in the name of Christianity.

    Bar Hayim on the other hand is a cleric, being a rabbi and an official representative of Judaism. Presumably he could lose his credentials were he in violation of Jewish law from whatever school of Jewish thought he is a part of. He argues that he is actually defending and properly interpreting Jewish law and very methodically quotes plenty of references from the Talmud and other Jewish sources. Not being an expert in that field, I am unable to contradict him on that basis.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  74. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    This is one man’s argument and not the main stream of Jewish thought.

    I think the good rabbi went to great lengths documenting how these statements are completely congruous with mainstream of Jewish Halakhic thought.

    Key quotes:

    Their approach is based on a moral impartiality… a kind of post-Modernism, if you will… whereby the differences between the Jewish people and their enemies are not meaningful, not substantial. We’re all equal, as it were, in the eyes of HaShem. The Jewish people are not in anyway preferred, do not have a special status, their interests do not come first. And, as we will discuss later, this is a very problematic thesis. Not to say that it simply contradicts the entire spirit of the Torah, from beginning to end

    The central topic, the central Halakhic source, which should be the basis for this discussion, is very often glossed over by people who discuss this issue…

    This is, without a doubt, the correct version of the text. And by way of explanation Rabbi Shimon Ben Yochai adds: “The best of snakes, you should crush its head.” In other words, there is a very profound meaning and added piece of information in that somewhat grisly (Hebrew spoken) …

    As it’s explained by the Rambam… the assumption is, when it comes to a non-Jew who we do not know – someone we haven’t met or we don’t know much about him – the assumption is he does not live according to the (Hebrew spoken)… he doesn’t keep the 7 Noahide Laws, and therefore this person is essentially (Hebrew spoken), guilty of a capital offence, whether it’s this one or that one… whether it’s stealing or adultery or murder or (Hebrew spoken)… However, you can’t just put a person to death without bringing them before a court.

    If it says in one source that non-Jews are not to be saved, not to be killed, for the reasons that we explained, how could this statement from Rabbi Shimon Ben Yochai say “the best of the goyim should be killed”?

    Therefore…, explained that this statement of Rabbi Shimon Ben Yochai is talking about a situation of warfare. A state of war exists between us and these people, this nation, this ethnic group, this society that is amongst us or living in some proximity to us, and their number is now amongst us. In that situation, he is no longer considered just to be a non-Jew who probably transgresses one of the 7 Noahide Laws. Rather, he is to be considered an enemy. A danger, because he belongs to an enemy force and you don’t know what he might do. As we explained before, just as you don’t know what a snake might do. Snakes are dangerous – or some of them are very dangerous – and you don’t take chances. That is the rationale behind Rabbi Shimon Ben Yochai’s statement. This is explained again by all the (Hebrew spoken)… almost without exception. This statement is brought by the Rambam in two places…

    • Thanks: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  75. anon[306] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Taubman

    This is one man’s argument and not the main stream of Jewish thought.

    Nah, “This is” your cancerous jew talmud’s “argument”, you stupid fucking jew cunt, and it is absolutely “the main stream [sic] of Jewish thought”.

    Like saying Hitler or David Duke represented main stream Christianity.

    Nah, you stupid queefing jew cunt, it categorically is not “Like saying Hitler or David Duke represented main stream [sic] Christianity”, precisely because your cancerous jew talmud, which is the source of authority for all the practices of orthodox judaism, has no equivalent in Christianity (or indeed Islam).

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  76. anon[446] • Disclaimer says:

    As honest as Bar Hayim is, and he is honest enough to admit that the Jews are behind the massive 3rd world immigration that is destroying the west, he is not entirely honest about Ben Yohai’s adage, which applies when the Jews are at war and when Israel is in control of the situation and subject to the authority of gentiles, see the reference …..
    http://judaism.is/who-is-human.html

  77. @anon

    ‘This is one man’s argument and not the main stream of Jewish thought..’

    Fran falls back on that one a lot. A variation is ‘they’re not Jews.’ That one tends to be used if the sentiments she finds inconvenient are expressed by secular Jews.

    So between the two, you see, she needn’t accept anything she doesn’t like.

  78. saggy says: • Website

    See the comments on Ben Yohai’s addage in the Mishneh Torah, this is the standard version with commentary by Rabbi Touger that is available on Amazon now
    http://judaism.is/who-is-human.html

  79. @geokat62

    I re watched this video for the full 1 1/2 hours, and I would like to recant my earlier post regarding this Rabbi being an outlier in terms of his view of non Jews and wars.

    The Rabbi is talking about killing civilians in wars that are perpetrated against you when your enemy deliberately attacks civilians. The Rabbi is saying that there is no moral equivalency between the civilians of our enemies and our own civilians. That are enemies deserve to be defeated. He uses many examples in the Torah. He is saying it is morally okay to kill civilians during a war in which your enemy kills your civilians.

    Their approach is based on a moral impartiality… a kind of post-Modernism, if you will… whereby the differences between the Jewish people and their enemies are not meaningful, not substantial. We’re all equal, as it were, in the eyes of HaShem. The Jewish people are not in anyway preferred, do not have a special status, their interests do not come first. And, as we will discuss later, this is a very problematic thesis. Not to say that it simply contradicts the entire spirit of the Torah, from beginning to end…

    I agree, the Rabbi is arguing against moral relativism, which is one of the worst of liberal ideas. That everyone is morally the same with different points of view, eliminating the concept of evil and good.

    This is, without a doubt, the correct version of the text. And by way of explanation Rabbi Shimon Ben Yochai adds: “The best of snakes, you should crush its head.” In other words, there is a very profound meaning and added piece of information in that somewhat grisly (Hebrew spoken) …

    If it says in one source that non-Jews are not to be saved, not to be killed, for the reasons that we explained, how could this statement from Rabbi Shimon Ben Yochai say “the best of the goyim should be killed”?

    The best of goyim should be killed is referring to wartime, as with snakes some are dangerous some are not, so you kill the snake regardless of whether it is the poisoness kind or not, out of an abundance of caution. The same anecdote is used during war in killing the best of gentiles: You are at war and there is no difference between a righteous person and an evil person. During war the enemy is to be defeated. The situation in the Torah refers to when the Egyptians went after the Jews as they left Egypt, when Pharaoh stole the horses of righteous Egyptians to run the chariots.

    Geo you bring this line kill the best of the goyim up all the time and take it out of context. It is referring to war. The below which you quote is correct. The example of the snake.


    Therefore…, explained that this statement of Rabbi Shimon Ben Yochai is talking about a situation of warfare. A state of war exists between us and these people, this nation, this ethnic group, this society that is amongst us or living in some proximity to us, and their number is now amongst us. In that situation, he is no longer considered just to be a non-Jew who probably transgresses one of the 7 Noahide Laws. Rather, he is to be considered an enemy. A danger, because he belongs to an enemy force and you don’t know what he might do. As we explained before, just as you don’t know what a snake might do. Snakes are dangerous – or some of them are very dangerous – and you don’t take chances. That is the rationale behind Rabbi Shimon Ben Yochai’s statement. This is explained again by all the (Hebrew spoken)… almost without exception. This statement is brought by the Rambam in two places…


    As it’s explained by the Rambam… the assumption is, when it comes to a non-Jew who we do not know – someone we haven’t met or we don’t know much about him – the assumption is he does not live according to the (Hebrew spoken)… he doesn’t keep the 7 Noahide Laws, and therefore this person is essentially (Hebrew spoken), guilty of a capital offence, whether it’s this one or that one… whether it’s stealing or adultery or murder or (Hebrew spoken)… However, you can’t just put a person to death without bringing them before a court.

    If it says in one source that non-Jews are not to be saved, not to be killed, for the reasons that we explained, how could this statement from Rabbi Shimon Ben Yochai say “the best of the goyim should be killed”?

    This is a neutral statement regarding non Jews from AD 1000. Which has since been modified since most non Jews in todays world are god fearing people and observe the Noahide laws. The Rambam
    is saying that you are under no obligation to save a non Jew if you do not know him to be a god fearing non Jew. If he is drowning you are under no obligation to run in and save him. This law has since been modified because the identity of non Jews are known to be god fearing. If we are not at war we are obligated to save a non Jew. As an example is Doctors are obligated to save a non Jew on the Sabbath, where as Halachaly they were not obligated during early AD times when less was known about non Jews.

    I agree with all that this Rabbi discusses on this video, and explains the twists and turns of the Halachic rulings brilliantly. The purpose of the video was the discussion of should we bomb civilians in Gaza if they fire at civilians in Israel. He compares this situation with the Allies fighting Germany to an undisputed victory killing many civilians. Victory is the point of fighting wars, not endless standoffs.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Colin Wright
  80. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    I agree with all that this Rabbi discusses on this video…

    The Rabbi is talking about killing civilians in wars that are perpetrated against you when your enemy deliberately attacks civilians.

    While it’s true the rabbi is addressing the issue of war in Gaza and why the rabbis choose to remain silent, the rabbi also refers to famous Halakhic statements that go beyond the context of war and exposes the inherent racism, or better yet “soulism“deeply embedded in Judaism.

    That’s one answer to the question, “Why are rabbis silent?” But then, in fact, there’s another explanation, which is not just equally true, but even, I think, more profoundly true. And that is the very strange and very anti-Torah position that somehow the lives of Jews… and the lives of the enemy are somehow equal in importance

    … since when are Jews and non-Jews equal in that sense? Since when are the interests of the Jewish people no more important than the interests of other groups or other nations or other organizations? Just to quote one example, there’s a famous Halakha in the Talmud, which is quoted in all the posekim, that if a Jew and a non-Jew come before a court and they have a monetary dispute… a Jewish court, then the court, if this court were to follow Halakha, it would work out to the benefit of the non-Jew, in this particular monetary dispute, but if they were to follow non-Jewish legal practices and concepts, it would work out to the benefit of the Jew, then they tell the non-Jew we will judge this case according to your laws, not according to our laws. And if it works out the other way, then they work according to the Halakhic system. In other words, a clear preferential treatment is given to the Jew, as opposed to the non-Jew. There is also the well known fact that the Torah itself speaks about returning a lost object to one’s brother (Hebrew spoken), which refers to a fellow Jew. There is no requirement to return a lost object to a non-Jew. To people who were brought up and have accepted as obvious that all human beings are equal and have equal rights and no one should be preferred in anyway or discriminated against, as compared to someone else no matter what, then this is a very difficult Halacha to accept. But, the fact is the Torah is full of such Halachot, many, many Halachot. In fact, in that book that I quoted from earlier, I have a whole article quoting many, many such examples… he explains the rationale behind this Halacha, of not returning a lost object to a non-Jew. He says the Torah here is making a value judgement. The Torah is assuming that if this property… is going to remain in the hands of the Jew who found it, taking the long view, looking at the big picture, it will work out better for humanity and the world when this property is in the hand of that Jew than if it’s in the hand of the non-Jew. He’ll do something more positive with it, than the non-Jew. You, of course, could claim that’s only true in some cases, not true in all cases. But, that’s the assumption, that’s the (Hebrew spoken) the Torah is working with…

    The Torah is (Hebrew spoken) and says: if it belongs to your fellow Jew, your brother, then you have to try and return it to him…

    So, the problem is the assumption of moral equivalence… that all people, all societies, all religions, all cultures, all civilizations are equal. You cannot make a value judgement of one being better or preferable to the other. That is the mantra in the Western world… has been for a long time. It’s not always true that everyone who even states or chants the mantra actually believes it.., but that’s what you’re supposed to believe, that’s PC. But, that’s not the Jewish position. The Jewish position is that the interests of the Jewish people, for example, even when it comes to the Jewish individual, (it’s even more so… when it comes to the Jewish nation), but even in the case of the Jewish individual as opposed to the non-Jewish individual, when we can alter the result by showing some preference to the Jew as opposed to the non-Jew, we do so. How much more so when we’re talking about the benefit, the welfare, the survival of the Jewish people?

    Give it up, Fran. Simply admit your religion is the most supremacist in the universe!

  81. @Fran Taubman

    ‘…We’re all equal, as it were, in the eyes of HaShem. The Jewish people are not in anyway preferred, do not have a special status, their interests do not come first. And, as we will discuss later, this is a very problematic thesis. Not to say that it simply contradicts the entire spirit of the Torah, from beginning to end…’

    ‘I agree, the Rabbi is arguing against moral relativism, which is one of the worst of liberal ideas. That everyone is morally the same with different points of view, eliminating the concept of evil and good….’

    Ah, no, that it is not what the rabbi is arguing against. It would be convenient for you if it were — but it’s not.

  82. @geokat62

    ‘Give it up, Fran. Simply admit your religion is the most supremacist in the universe!’

    There must be other ones. However, what the ____ in the New Guinea Highlands think of all non-_____ is of little concern to the vast majority of humanity. They can go right ahead and think we’re worth less than the fleas in a pig’s anus. It’s kind of hurtful, but…

    The same can’t be said for Jews and Israel. Indeed, that’s largely the problem with Jews. Several other groups with similar numbers of adherents and similarly problematical attitudes towards the rest of humanity come to mind.

    But they’re not so damned powerful! We can all just let _____ go on their way. Not so with Jews and Israel. We more or less have let them go on their way — and the consequences just keep getting worse.

  83. @geokat62

    Give it up, Fran. Simply admit your religion is the most supremacist in the universe!

    Tell that to Ivanka a convert. You cannot understand the lines between the goyim and Jews as described in the Jewish laws and text which started out in the early bronze age, when people sacrificed children evolving to modern times when most of the civilized world abides by similar straightforward laws that Jews and non Jews agree on and practice as a part of a universal Western jurisprudence, that makes us all equal in the eyes of god. Equal except during a war. Like all wars we should defeat our enemies as this is related to Islamic fundamentalism and their desire to genocide the Jews.

    You have a serious problem with understanding the basic common sense approach to the morality of Judaism and a need to make it into an evil take down of the west. Talk to a family member or a professional. You have an unhealthy obsession with Jews and Judaism as both the cause and the solution to your world view and problems. We Jews did not cause this mess and removing us will not solve it. Obsessions involving a fixation whether it be of a sexual nature or a fixation on a group of people, is never a reality but more of a fantasy of what we make it out to be. An obsession is concocted in our minds, and then obsessive people become stalkers. I am sure that people close to have tried to talk to you about this unhealthy obsession with the Jews and Judaism. Maybe you should consider a professional.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  84. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    We Jews did not cause this mess and removing us will not solve it.

    Queen Esther doing what she does best… “By Way Of Deception, Thou Shalt Do War”

    I think there is a resurgence of anti-Semitism because at this point in time Europe has not yet learned how to be multicultural. And I think we are going to be part of the throes of that transformation, which must take place. Europe is not going to be the monolithic societies they once were in the last century. Jews are going to be at the centre of that. It’s a huge transformation for Europe to make. They are now going into a multicultural mode and Jews will be resented because of our leading role. But without that leading role and without that transformation, Europe will not survive.

    As much as you may wish to obfuscate this irrefutable fact, the responsibility for this diabolical program rests at the door of Jewish Supremacist Organizations (JSOs).

    Mess with people’s homelands, don’t expect them to be overjoyed.

  85. Antiwar7 says:
    @chris

    In this case, I’m talking about good friends that I’ve known for years. I assure you, I was not being trolled.

    I think there’s a nice, disputatious current in Jewish culture. It can lead to bitter disputes, a la Norman Finkelstein vs Alan Dershowitz.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  86. Mess with people’s homelands, don’t expect them to be overjoyed.

    You are addressing this comment to the wrong person. You should send this to the heads of the EU, a non Jewish group of people dedicated to making Europe ubiquitous, and a global one world order for everyone. They are located in Brussels. Would you like the names and addresses? The EU has done more to ruin the nationality of Europeans then any Jew.
    Get a life with your ideology. You are just plain wrong.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @anon
  87. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    You should send this to the heads of the EU, a non Jewish group of people dedicated to making Europe ubiquitous, and a global one world order for everyone.

    Yes, yes, Fran. You can try and shift the blame onto the traitorous Shabbos goys who are willing to sell out their homelands for 30 shekels. But, the fact remains, these POSs are taking their orders from their masters…

    The decision to arrest Golden Dawn’s parliament members was made in 2013 by the conservative government of New Democracy, led by Antonis Samaras, who decided to make the highly controversial move shortly after a meeting with the World Jewish Congress and other American and European Jewish organizations. Benjamin Netanyahu, Shimon Peres, and other Israeli officials also lauded the crackdown.

    https://www.unz.com/estriker/greek-government-convicts-nationalist-partys-elected-officials-of-being-a-criminal-organization-over-2013-antifa-members-death/

    There’s a mountain of evidence supporting this basic truth… but you keep trying to prove me wrong.

    Using a bit of imagination, we all could probably script how these traitorous Shabbos goys have been instructed:

    Look, we are very concerned with the recent developments transpiring in your country. If you do not take swift action NOW, these neo-Nazi, neo-fascist groups could gain a foothold and they will become considerably more difficult to uproot. I’m sure you’ll agree with us that it would be unfortunate if the media were to begin running stories about how soft your administration is on fighting neo-Nazis and neo-fascists. Now, putting that to the side, we’re very pleased with your country’s financial position is slowly improving.

    And, just as Joe “you don’t have to be a Jew to be a Zionist” Biden demonstrated with the Ukrainian fiasco, “if you don’t do as your told, your not getting that billion dollar loan guarantee…. son of a bitch, he fired him!“

    So, you keep doing what you do best – your Queen Esther shtick – and I’ll keep doing what I do best – exposing JSO crimes against humanity.

  88. anon[446] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Taubman

    The EU has done more to ruin the nationality of Europeans then any Jew.

    Not according to our favorite rabbi, see ‘Rabbi David Bar-Hayim – Jews are behind the “massive crime and treason” of 3rd world immigration’




  89. The decision to arrest Golden Dawn’s parliament members was made in 2013 by the conservative government of New Democracy, led by Antonis Samaras, who decided to make the highly controversial move shortly after a meeting with the World Jewish Congress and other American and European Jewish organizations. Benjamin Netanyahu, Shimon Peres, and other Israeli officials also lauded the crackdown.

    You are defending Golden Dawn? They need a new logo and salute. They look and act like a bunch of Nazis to me. Does anyone miss them? That is who the Shabbas Goys are going after. Please!!
    David Bar-Hayim will tell you what Jews feel. The Jews supporting unlimited immigration are not the real Jews.

  90. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    That is who the Shabbas Goys are going after.

    All the ethno-nationalist parties, right across Europe. Never Again! means say goodbye to “blood and soil” and hello to “multiculti.” This is what Barbara Spectre was talking about in her little spiel.

    The JSOs have gone for broke, Fran. If they don’t get it quite right, however, I hesitate to contemplate the repercussions.

    That’s why I keep repeating my closing statement … “mess with peoples’ homelands, don’t expect them to be overjoyed.”

    The Jews supporting unlimited immigration are not the real Jews.

    They may not be true-Torah Jews, Fran, but they can still do Aliyah to Eretz Israel.

  91. @Antiwar7

    ‘…I think there’s a nice, disputatious current in Jewish culture. It can lead to bitter disputes…’

    Isn’t this statement usually true?

    That it is doesn’t really address the problem, though.

  92. @Fran Taubman

    ‘…You are defending Golden Dawn? They need a new logo and salute…’

    Little round hats without bills could make them pretty safe.

    The salute I can’t help with. Any secret sign you’re familiar with, Fran?

  93. @geokat62

    You have an unhealthy obsession with Jews and Judaism as both the cause and the solution to your world view and problems. We Jews did not cause this mess and removing us will not solve it. Obsessions involving a fixation whether it be of a sexual nature or a fixation on a group of people, is never a reality but more of a fantasy of what we make it out to be. An obsession is concocted in our minds, and then obsessive people become stalkers. I am sure that people close to have tried to talk to you about this unhealthy obsession with the Jews and Judaism. Maybe you should consider a professional.

    repeat and rinse.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  94. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    repeat and rinse.

    I’m the one with the Hellenic roots, Fran.

    It’s wash. rinse. repeat.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  95. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    You are defending Golden Dawn? They need a new logo and salute. They look and act like a bunch of Nazis to me.

    Damn right I’m defending them. Why shouldn’t I? Aren’t you an ardent defender of Zionism, a homeland for the Jewish people? Well that’s exactly what GD and other ethno-nationalist parties are fighting for, a homeland for their people.

    So, it is disingenuous to characterize these parties as neo-Nazi or neo-fascist. I think it would be more accurate to characterize them as neo-Zionist.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Wielgus
  96. @geokat62

    ‘Damn right I’m defending them. Why shouldn’t I? Aren’t you an ardent defender of Zionism, a homeland for the Jewish people? Well that’s exactly what GD and other ethno-nationalist parties are fighting for, a homeland for their people.

    ‘So, it is disingenuous to characterize these parties as neo-Nazi or neo-fascist. I think it would be more accurate to characterize them as neo-Zionist.’

    My only quarrel with this is that it implicitly confers some justification on Zionism.

    After all, whatever other criticisms might be made of Golden Dawn, its members are indubitably indigenous Greeks — and it is Greece they wish to have as their own.

    It’s hardly necessary to point out that the equivalent cannot be said for Zionism.

    • Agree: geokat62
  97. @geokat62

    It’s wash. rinse. repeat.

    No it is what I said it was repeat and rinse. You posts and ideas are not Hellenic, they are dystopian. Thus a dystopian:

    Rinse and repeat.

    You have an unhealthy obsession with Jews and Judaism as both the cause and the solution to your world view and problems. We Jews did not cause this mess and removing us will not solve it. Obsessions involving a fixation whether it be of a sexual nature or a fixation on a group of people, is never a reality but more of a fantasy of what we make it out to be. An obsession is concocted in our minds, and then obsessive people become stalkers. I am sure that people close to have tried to talk to you about this unhealthy obsession with the Jews and Judaism. Maybe you should consider a professional.

    repeat and rinse.

  98. vot tak says:

    “Embarrassed by the Israeli government’s current arming of Azerbaijan in its war with Armenia, Holocaust scholar Israel W. Charny penned an article for The Times of Israel titled: Would Israel sell a used drone to a Hitler? Charny admits in his piece that Israel’s conduct is fundamentally unethical. He ends his commentary writing, “to my Armenian colleagues and friends, I can only say that as a Jew and as an Israeli, I am mortified – and angry.”

    The current regime in Armenia was israeli color regimed in to power. Like ukraine, georgia and several other countries adjacent to Russia. These are the “good guys”? On the other hand, azerbaijan also has debilitating israeli influences. These are the “bad guys”.

    The conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan is very obviously fueled by israeli elements and has more to do with their on going zpc/nwo (zio-nazi-nazi) attack on Russia and israeli interests in remaining the one super power.

  99. jacobs-adder [AKA "darkmark2.0"] says:

    But the American people, like the Brits and the French are no fools, they see it all.

    NO THEY DON’T!

    In Britain, we have just had The Labour Party accused of rampant anti-semitism leading on from Jeremy Corbyn who lost his job after openly criticising Israel on the Palestine situation. Then a female politician was fired for re-tweeting a story about George Floyd and Israeli neck suppression techniques being used in law enforcement. They have just issued another directive for Universities to adopt regarding the meaning of ‘anti-semitism’.

    They have the CST a Jewsish protection group similar to the ADL, enforcing ever evolving anti-semitic practices, which mainly are people posting stories about Palestine online. Anti-semitism is any criticism of Jews and Israel, including simply asking questions about their motives and level of power. This is a far cry from calling for ‘death for all Jews’ and is really a convenient way for them to operate with immunity in foreign countries.

    There have been no organised attacks on Jews or Synagogues by specific Right Wing, Nationalist or Nazi groups – similar to there have only been 27 attacks by White Supremacists in the U.S in the last year as reported by the ADL – and again most of these are graffiti, name calling (probably by kids) and online attacks.

    How these organisations are able to report these incidents as anti-semitic or white nationalists and then suggest Jews are living in a climate of fear so the ADL requires Government funding to up security – is the biggest joke and just complete nonsense.

    Type into Google ‘ Number of people killed by White Supremacists’ and you will see these ridiculous figures touted by the ADL and leftist media as the new moral panic. How people fall for this crap is beyond me, but they do – particularly where Jews are concerned.

    In the UK, people are not aware of the nefarious activities of the Jews and Pro Israel groups. We still think of a persecuted saintly bunch still running from the gas chambers who must be protected at all costs from the ever present threat of Neo Nazi’s and White Supremacists. Just talking about the facts of Zionist activity in terms of political and lobbyist funding and the outrageous claims of organisations like the CST and ADL is met with hushed tones and stern looks.

    They are the only race on earth who cannot be criticised, questioned, reported, analysed or held to the same standards as every other country and race on earth. Yet they are the most politically active, infiltrating very major western power and interfering with policy through ridiculous liberal regimes designed to divide and conquer the people and make life harder through mass immigration and minority rights. Apart from in Israel of course which must remain a sovereign Jewish state -according to the ADL. The hypocrisy is outrageous.

    They are embedded too deep in our political system and hold the power of being beyond reproach so act with immunity. All this in countries that rescued them from the Nazis and gave them their land, which most of them don’t even live in, part from when it suits? Instead they bleed us dry, ruin our countries and whinge constantly about discrimination despite being the 40% of the top 1% of the wealthiest in the US. They mostly live in secluded compounds and have little to do with outsiders, who they view with contempt and beneath them. They literally believe they have a divine right to lord over us Goyim or Cattle.

    We must educate people as to what is really going on and stop Jewish power going unchecked, but we are all to distracted worrying about transpeople and the rights of black criminals.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Fran Taubman
  100. geokat62 says:
    @jacobs-adder

    Welcome to Unz, darkmark2.0.

    Look forward to reading more informed comments from you, in future.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @jacobs-adder
  101. Wielgus says:
    @geokat62

    Actually the trial evidence in Greece included files taken from Golden Dawn computers in which members take oaths on Nazi memorabilia such as flags, the swastika etc.

    • Agree: Fran Taubman
  102. @Wielgus

    No one misses Golden dawn.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
  103. @jacobs-adder

    We must educate people as to what is really going on and stop Jewish power going unchecked, but we are all to distracted worrying about transpeople and the rights of black criminals.

    There are plenty of powerful goyim that will stop you. Jeff Bezos runs the US. So does Bill Gates.
    Jews help them fund their existence and build wealth. Good luck trying to break the Goyim big boys and there are plenty. Jews are the middle men not the ruling.
    How do you plan to educate people? Hold an education forum to declassify Jews? LOL. Most non Jews support Jews big time.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Colin Wright
  104. geokat62 says:
    @Wielgus

    Actually the trial evidence in Greece included files taken from Golden Dawn computers in which members take oaths on Nazi memorabilia such as flags, the swastika etc.

    Yes, and that “evidence” is probably as reliable as the evidence they adduced for the Russia-gate scam. Remember the infamous “fuzzy bear” hacks of the DNC computers?

    Rock solid evidence, lol!

    • Replies: @Wielgus
  105. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Lie #1 – There are plenty of powerful goyim that will stop you.

    Lie #2 – Jeff Bezos runs the US.

    Lie #3 – So does Bill Gates.

    Lie #4 – Jews are the middle men not the ruling.

    Not bad, Fran, 4 whoppers in one posting. I think that may be an all time high for you.

    Congrats!

  106. @Fran Taubman

    ‘Jews are the middle men not the ruling.’

    Ahem. Five of the ten richest individuals in the US are Jews. The biggest contributor to Trump’s campaign and the eight biggest contributors to Biden’s campaign are all Jews. This in spite of the fact that Jews are only 2% of the population.

    No…Jews aren’t ‘the middlemen.’ This isn’t the Ukraine in the seventeenth century; this is the United States right now. Jews are overrepresented in the halls of power by a factor of something like twenty.

  107. geokat62 says:
    @Wielgus

    … or, even more to the point, did they find on their computers images of a coin that had the star of Rempham on one side and the meander on the other?

  108. jacobs-adder [AKA "darkmark2.0"] says:
    @geokat62

    hi, this is the artist formally known as Jacob-adder – For reasons unknown, I lost my previous iD, not sure if cookies wiped (she’s possibly a Mossad agent…the wife) or something else, so have switched to Darkmark 2.0. Seemed like a good idea at the time, but thinking about it, should probably have gone for ‘Jacobs-adder2.0’? Its been a busy week, what can I say…

    • Thanks: geokat62
  109. Wielgus says:
    @geokat62

    The German-Italian occupation of Greece was highly unpleasant and included mass executions and famine. Nazi symbols in themselves are not banned in Greece but producing them in court as evidence tended to sustain the case that GD is a paramilitary group organised to assault and murder political opponents, refugees and others considered undesirable.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  110. Wielgus says:
    @Fran Taubman

    They are still there and cannot be referred to in the past tense. The Greek far right still exists even if many of its leaders are in jail.
    They were a bit careless in 2013 as many Greek cops sympathise with them and they probably thought they could count on the state turning a blind eye.

  111. geokat62 says:
    @Wielgus

    Nazi symbols in themselves are not banned in Greece but producing them in court as evidence tended to sustain the case that GD is a paramilitary group organised to assault and murder political opponents, refugees and others considered undesirable.

    Listen, Wielgus. Let’s not kid ourselves. Members of GD could have been the holiest of holy monks from Mt. Athos and the Zionist-controlled media would still have accused them of being evil Nahtzeees for wanting to put in place policies that benefited Greeks over non-Greeks and for opposing mass immigration.

    The overriding goal is vividly clear for those who have eyes to see. Never Again! means say goodbye to “blood and soil” and hello to “multiculti.”

    Any honest person would readily admit this. Do you?

    And, finally. See how Fran jumped in to defend your point that GD is a neo-Nazi or neo-fascist organisation for allegedly being affiliated with Nazis? But she remained deafeningly silent when I presented that coin that demonstrated the collaboration between her beloved Zionists and the evil Nahtzeees? I wonder why? Perhaps you have an answer to this mystery, Wielgus?

    • Replies: @Wielgus
    , @Wielgus
  112. The top 25 richest Americans. Billionaires that are born Jewish that do not identify as Jewish. They do not give to Jewish causes or support Israel. The only 3 on the list that do are Adelson and Lauder, and Blavatnik. Because someone has a parent that is Jewish means nothing. So are all these other billionaires Shabbas goys? What about the Waltons?

    1 Jeff Bezos Not Jewish: Major SJW owns Washington post
    2 Bill Gates Not Jewish: Major SJW
    3 Mark Zuckerberg Identifies as secular, no $Jewish causes, Israel, or Zionism
    4 Warren Buffett Not Jewish
    5 Larry Ellisonn Identifies as secular, no $Jewish causes, Israel or Zionism
    6 Steve Ballmer Not Jewish
    7 Elon Musk Not Jewish
    8 Larry Page Identifies as secular, no$ Jewish causes, Israel, or Zionism
    9 Sergey Brin Identifies as secular, no $ Jewish causes, Israel, or Zionism
    10 Alice Walton Not Jewish
    11 Jim Walton Not Jewish
    12 Rob Walton Not Jewish
    13 MacKenzie Scott Not Jewish
    14 Michael Bloomberg Identifies as Jewish but no $$$ to Israel or Jewish causes.
    15 Charles Koch Not Jewish
    16 Julia Koch Not Jewish
    17 Phil Knight Not Jewish
    18 Michael Dell Not Jewish
    19 Sheldon Adelson Jewish gives to Israel and Jewish causes
    20 Jacqueline Mars Not Jewish
    21 John Franklyn Mars Not Jewish
    22 Len Blavatnik Jewish, gives $$ to Israel and Jewish causes
    23 Jim Simons Identifies as secular, no $$ to Israel or Jewish causes
    24 Stephen Schwarzman Identifies as Jewish gives no $$$ to Israel or Jewish causes
    25 Leonard Lauder Identifies as Jewish gives $$$ to Israel and Jewish causes.

  113. Wielgus says:
    @geokat62

    Fran Taubman’s remark is merely an illustration of a stopped clock being right twice a day – I am for example anti-Trump but from time to time he gets it right.
    I live in Greece and GD actually are thugs – in fact a lot of Greek police and civil servants think like they do and that may have emboldened them to go too far. I suspect they really did record Nazi stuff at their ceremonies, thinking it would not come back to bite them on the ass.
    I have some sympathy for Corbyn, but GD are more like Röhm and the SA in 1934 – made to step off once they had served their purpose.

  114. Wielgus says:
    @geokat62

    “The overriding goal is vividly clear for those who have eyes to see. Never Again! means say goodbye to ‘blood and soil’ and hello to “multiculti.”

    Any honest person would readily admit this. Do you?”

    That’s what you think honest people do? Blood and soil? I do not currently live in the country where I was born, and being of Polish descent makes me more than a little wary of people with swastikas. They shed a lot of Polish blood and took a lot of Polish soil.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  115. geokat62 says:
    @Wielgus

    That’s what you think honest people do? Blood and soil?

    So, does this mean you’re a fan of “multiculti”? Do you believe in the ADL’s Big Lie that “Diversity Is A Strength”?

    Is that what you desire for Poland? To become a “multiculti“ wonderland? Or do wish for Poland to remain an ethno-state?

  116. @geokat62

    Here is a great video on your favorite subject Multi- culturalism. Not written by a Shabbas goy, but a Jew vehemently against the radical left.

    Tom Klingenstein

    • Replies: @geokat62
  117. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Not written by a Shabbas goy, but a Jew vehemently against the radical left.

    Do Shabbos goys write anything anymore, Fran?

    Rather than attributing blame for the radical left ideology to the proper source, Mr. Klingenstein chooses to politicise matters by disingenuously pinning it all on Joe Biden. It’s clear Mr. Klingenstein is big on Trumpstein… he even referred to his presidency as being “providential”!

    No, Fran, Mr. Klingenstein‘s speech fell far short of identifying the true purveyors of cultural Marxism and he’s a little late lamenting the fact that America is on the “chopping block.“ In his 15 min speech, he said absolutely nothing about the topic of demographics. If you were sincerely concerned about multiculturalism, you’d think he’d raise the critical issue of mass immigration, but he didn’t. I bet if we turned back the hands of time, Mr. Klingenstein would have probably voted in favour of Hart-Celler, the true source of America’s multicultural problem. He could have criticized the American Jewish Committee, the Anti-Defamation League, and the whole slew of other Jewish organizations that pushed for that traitorous piece of legislation, but somehow he forgot to. Instead, he blamed it all on Joe Biden and the Democrats. Yeah, right.

    Sorry, Fran, as much as you hate to admit it, responsibility from this multiculti/diversity dystopia that currently afflicts the American people sits squarely at the door of Jewish Supremacist Organizations… and you know it.

    Mess with people’s homelands, don’t expect them to be overjoyed.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  118. @geokat62

    If you look at the list of the top 25 billionaires in the US. Most of the Multi culturalist on that list are non Jews. In your perverse denial of the reality of the situation. People like Adelson are Republicans, Trump supporters. Anti immigration nationalist. Adelson is on your side. Zionist are nationalist.

    He could have criticized the American Jewish Committee, the Anti-Defamation League, and the whole slew of other Jewish organizations that pushed for that traitorous piece of legislation, but somehow he forgot to. Instead, he blamed it all on Joe Biden and the Democrats. Yeah, right.

    Klingenstien more then ambliy said all that. What is wrong with you.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @geokat62
  119. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    People like Adelson are Republicans, Trump supporters. Anti immigration nationalist. Adelson is on your side. Zionist are nationalist.

    Nice try, Fran. They might be anti-illegal immigration, but they sure as hell aren’t against the legal variety… unless you have direct statements that prove otherwise.

    Klingenstien more then ambliy said all that.

    Care to provide sample quotes from his speech that backup your claim?

  120. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Most of the Multi culturalist on that list are non Jews. In your perverse denial of the reality of the situation. People like Adelson are Republicans, Trump supporters. Anti immigration nationalist. Adelson is on your side. Zionist are nationalist.

    Zionists are nationalists? Sure they are!

    Introductory paragraph to, World Jewish Congress and Official German Jewry Welcome Non-White Invasion:

    THE WORLD Jewish Congress and the Central Council of Jews in Germany have issued a formal statement welcoming the non-White invasion of Germany, calling it the “right thing” and an “evolution towards an open society.”

    https://nationalvanguard.org/2016/02/world-jewish-congress-and-official-german-jewry-welcome-non-white-invasion/

    The rest of the article:

    [MORE]

    At the same time, of course, both Jewish organizations back Israel, which has a Jews-only immigration policy and which checks potential immigrants to see if they have Jewish DNA.

    In a formal statement published in Die Welt newspaper in Germany, titled “Wir Juden wissen, wie bitter Flucht ist” (“We Jews Understand What Being a Refugee Means”), Ronald S. Lauder, president of the World Jewish Congress (WJC) and Dr. Josef Schuster, president of the Central Council of Jews in Germany and a vice-president of the WJC, attacked all Germans who oppose the flooding of their country by non-Whites, calling them “neo-Nazis.”

    “We are witnessing a huge wave of spontaneous civic involvement, and administrative decisions are being taken much more quickly than used to be the case in Germany. This has won Germany new sympathies world-wide,” the Jewish leaders wrote.

    “For many years, there were complaints about the country’s unwillingness to become a country of immigration, and about a lack of a ‘culture of welcome’. Given what we saw over the last weeks, that’s obviously not the case at all,” Lauder and Schuster continued—ignoring the fact that their country, Israel, arrests, detains and deports Third Worlders who try to settle in the Jews-only state.

    “The Jewish community, both in Germany and world-wide, welcomes this evolution towards an open society. It is the right thing.”

    Also ignoring the fact that the Jewish lobby and the Jewish state is the cause of all the violence in the Middle East, the two Jewish leaders went on to claim that the wave of “refugees” from Syria are fleeing because of “religion.”

    In reality, of course, the official figures show that over 70 percent of the “refugees” are not even from Syria, but from other Third World countries — none of whom would be welcome in Israel.

    Furthermore, the Israeli state — which both Lauder and Schuster support — has made it absolutely clear that it will not take a single genuine refugee from Syria, and have even built a new wall to prevent any refugees from entering the Jews-only state.

    The two top Jews then went on to demand that the flood of non-White invaders be distributed around to all European nations:

    “What is needed now is not only a just allocation to the various countries, but also longer-term support. Winter is around the country, and the refugees need good housing. It won’t suffice to provide them with tents, or pretzels, or teddy bears.”

    The Jewish leaders were also at pains to point out that the new flood of non-Whites had to become supporters of Israel and to believe in the Jewish Holocaust story:

    “It’s also important that those who at present can’t return to their home countries will become familiar with our Western values. In Germany, that means respect for the values enshrined in the Constitution and also an acceptance that support for Israel is part of the political DNA of this country. Moreover, society by and large agrees that the Holocaust must be remembered.”

    The two top Jews then went on to condemn any Germans who might be opposed to the invasion, warning against not only physical opposition, but even peaceful political opposition:

    “However, the images of the Good Germany we are currently seeing should not hide certain negative aspects: There are still attacks on asylum seekers’ homes, and there could be a backlash at the next elections in favor of certain political parties seeking to capitalize on fears in regard to the refugee crisis.”

    In Israel it is the norm for political parties to be ultra-xenophobic, and to outlaw marriage between Jews and non-Jews, as well as between homosexuals — all things which Lauder and Schuster, and their communities in all Western nations, would condemn if practiced by any European nation.

    The hypocrisy is staggering: on the one hand, the organized Jewish community in European nations demands that Europeans accept the Third World invasion, while on the other hand, they all fanatically support Israel which has overtly racially-based immigration policies and which actively expels any Third World invaders who might slip in.

    Germany’s two largest Christian churches, the Roman Catholic and Lutheran denominations, have also come out in favor of the non-White invasion.

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