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The Jewish state has been taking drastic measures to try to suppress the Corona outbreak within its territory. Tens of thousands of Israelis are isolated in quarantine conditions. So far, hundreds of Israelis have been diagnosed as carriers of the virus. PM Netanyahu delivered an apocalyptic speech and had his trial postponed indefinitely.

There are a few aspects peculiar to Israel and its Corona hysteria. As of this writing, no one in Israel has died because of the virus. To date, only six Israelis are in critical condition. It is possible that the Israeli health system is more advanced than all the other nations, it is also possible that Israeli doctors are more gifted than all other doctors. It may even be possible that Jews are somewhat resistant to Corona. But it is more likely that Israel has been living with Corona much longer than they are willing to admit. It is likely that, like China, they have already survived the worst of the Corona virus.

On January 6th Haaretz’s headline read “Dozens Hospitalized in Serious Condition Amid Swine Flu Outbreak in Israel.” The Israeli paper reported that “The number of visits to clinics and hospitals due to flu symptoms and pneumonia, which is a common complication, is about 18 per 1,000 people, compared to 7 per 1,000 in the same period last year.” The increase is mainly in those under age 2 and over age 65. Back in January, the Israeli health system struggled to cope.

At the time, Israeli health authorities attributed the rise in pneumonia to Swine Flu. The paper reported that 170 Israelis, including 45 children, were hospitalized in serious condition, and there were 16 deaths.

I am not a medical doctor and certainly not a virologist, I am, however, scientifically inclined. I wonder whether it is possible that Israel was hit with the Corona menace at the same time China was, or maybe even before? Is it possible that Corona didn’t start in China, it was just diagnosed there? Apparently, more people have started to believe that this may be the case.

Israel is not alone. Britain has been reporting on a rise in Pneumonia cases in recent years. I have seen reports on the rise in pneumonia and swine flu in the USA. Bloomberg today asks: “A Coronavirus Explosion Was Expected in Japan. Where Is It?” Have we been misdiagnosing CV19 as swine flu and pneumonia? This would help explain why the lethal virus is not spreading as fast as expected and why it is distributed unevenly around the world.

If my hypothesis is correct, the entire approach to the Corona pandemic may be fundamentally wrong, and anti scientific. Our approach follows the rules of hysteria and imposes a time line that supports a phantasmic narrative of a global holocaust.

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What we need in order to help us with this conceptual mess is an Abraham Wald moment. Wald was a mathematician working at American Statistical Research Group (SRG) during WWII. Wald and his team were engaged in questions to do with the survivability of B17 bombers. The riddle was as follows: If you don’t want your bombers to get shot down by enemy fighters, you armour them. But shielding your planes with iron makes them heavy, they can hardly manoeuvre, they use more fuel and can’t carry enough bombs. Over armouring your planes is a problem; under armouring is also a problem. Finding the optimal line between the two was the riddle Wald and the SRG were asked to solve.

Wald noticed immediately that enemy bullets weren’t distributed uniformly on the B17s. There were a lot of bullet holes in the fuselage and hardly any in the engines.

While the Air Force wanted to armour the planes where they were most often hit, Wald said the armour shouldn’t be placed where most of the bullet holes were found. Instead the armour should go where the bullet holes aren’t: on the engines. Wald realised that the reason there weren’t many bullet holes in the engines they examined was that planes that got hit in the engine were more likely to fall from the sky and therefore were not likely to be examined.

The lesson of Wald’s insight is clear. Often it is the data that is missing that provides the path to the solution. Instead of just identifying who is catching the Corona virus, we should also investigate those outbreaks that did not resemble pandemic ‘simulations’: those countries and regions that have not followed the predicted and lethal path. We should review past diagnoses and figure out what exactly happened in Israel in December 2019. What has been the rate of pneumonia in Britain, Germany, Japan and the USA in the last two years? Instead of just testing people for the Corona virus we ought to scan societies for Corona antibodies as well. It is possible that such an examination may reveal the best exit strategy from the current apocalyptic hysteria.

(Republished from Gilad Atzmon by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Interesting, interesting, interesting.

    But there have been an awful lot of deaths in Italy in a short period of time.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  2. Tsigantes says:

    True enough Gilad! And a good answer to my question : why did 47 Orthodox Christian pilgrims return from Israel to Greece in late February with corona infections, when Israel was boasting that it had only 3 cases…?

    However misdiagnosis does not equal herd immunity as 4000 IDF soldiers are corona isolated today.

  3. Though I risk being tiresome, let me again ask six questions, answers to which will address the author’s most important points:

    1. When was patient zero detected in the US? 
    2. What are the names of the hospitals who detected Covid-19 earliest?  
    3. How many people are infected? 
    4. After WHO issued a Red Alert January 1, why were US health authorities forbidden to test for Covid-19 until March?
    5. Why does the CDC classify its coronavirus deliberations?
    6. Why are Coronavirus meetings at HHS held in Sensitive Compartmentalized Information Facilities, which are usually reserved for intelligence and military operations?

    • Replies: @kiwiklown
    , @Paulbe
    , @Meena
  4. Swine flu? That’s not kosher!

    • LOL: Tsar Nicholas
    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  5. ‘…At the time, Israeli health authorities attributed the rise in pneumonia to Swine Flu. The paper reported that 170 Israelis, including 45 children, were hospitalized in serious condition, and there were 16 deaths…’

    What fun. However, the Corona Virus conspicuously does not afflict children.

    • Replies: @KA
  6. KA says:
    @Colin Wright

    Corona virus can infect children .

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  7. Gilad I saw on your FB page an article by Global Research (similar to PG’s ) that the Corona virus might have originated Israel or the US as a weapon. The article was banned from from FB as misinformation. You and your fans complained about being censored by Zuckerberg, and lack of free speech.
    FB is a company, it is not a public space. FB has every right to control the content on their site. If you don’t like it you can start your own site and become a FB competitor. AWPIFB (Anti Western Pro Islamic Facebook. You are on a site like that here on UR. I thought your article would be similar to Global Research and PG’s which Ron has even supported, assigning potential blame to Israel or the US for the Corona virus.

    Is this a hint that you are going in that direction?

    I am not a medical doctor and certainly not a virologist, I am, however, scientifically inclined. I wonder whether it is possible that Israel was hit with the Corona menace at the same time China was, or maybe even before? Is it possible that Corona didn’t start in China, it was just diagnosed there? Apparently, more people have started to believe that this may be the case.

    hmmm and also this hint.

    There are a few aspects peculiar to Israel and its Corona hysteria. As of this writing, no one in Israel has died because of the virus. To date, only six Israelis are in critical condition. It is possible that the Israeli health system is more advanced than all the other nations, it is also possible that Israeli doctors are more gifted than all other doctors. It may even be possible that Jews are somewhat resistant to Corona. But it is more likely that Israel has been living with Corona much longer than they are willing to admit. It is likely that, like China, they have already survived the worst of the Corona virus.

    I predict your next article will be full blown blame that the Corona virus started in an Israeli lab as a bio weapon, and they have already been vaccinated which is why no Israelis have died.

  8. @KA

    ‘Corona virus can infect children .’

    Would they make up a quarter of those hospitalized? This was not the Corona Virus.

  9. @Fran Taubman

    ‘… I predict your next article will be full blown blame that the Corona virus started in an Israeli lab as a bio weapon, and they have already been vaccinated which is why no Israelis have died.’

    You see, Gilad? All you’ve done is encourage Fran.

  10. Wally says:
    @Colin Wright

    “Encouraged” indeed.

    Next Fran will claim that Josef Mengele made CV and injected it into the eyes of child twins where Jews, known pedophiles, contracted it.

    Fran will no doubt demand a publicly funded ‘CV holocaust museum’ where Jews are paid a fortune to charge people who enter it.

    • Replies: @Kim
  11. @ThreeCranes

    ‘… But there have been an awful lot of deaths in Italy in a short period of time.’

    Supposedly, Italian hospitals neglected to segregate their Corona Virus sufferers from the rest of their patients — if so, that would certainly explain the death toll.

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
  12. @Colin Wright

    My dear.

    Even you could see that there is no attempt to blame Israel of any conspiratorial conduct however, your fear that I may write about it in the future is actually revealing..

    It is a fact, many ppl believe that Israel is behind it. You might as well be one of them. The question is why? Why do they look at Israel and not Holland, or Canada or Luxembourg? Maybe you should ask yourself why you are so fearful of such a development? ..I will help you to navigate your own conscience…
    It may have something to do with Israel’s record on human rights. It may have something to do with the fact that Israel has a biological weapon factory in Nes Ziona, Israeli was caught using biological biological and even nuclear agents against its enemies (Mashahl and Arafat). It may have something to do with Iran’s government being affected in the early stage of the virus. It has a lot to do with the fact that an Israeli company announced it Had the solution as soon as the Corona made it to the MSM .I can continue but you surely know all of it..I better let you digest these, for the time being.. I will just confess to you that at this stage that I have no forensic evidence that connects Israel to corona but the fact that so many ppl (including you apparently) look in this direction suggests to me that the Zionist promise to bring about a new Hebrew and save the eeohatafion of the ppl has failed disastrously…

  13. @Colin Wright

    🙂

    I am sorry about it..
    Lacan didn’t know Fran but he realised that the unconscious is the discourse of the Other. Fran is worried that others, you, me and the rest of humanity can see and point at her possible shame…this is basically the meaning of the hysteria around antisemitism. The fear of being exposed..

    • Thanks: SolontoCroesus
    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
    , @Iris
  14. kiwiklown says:

    Good thought-provoking article as usual, Gilead. So refreshing in these times of polluted airwaves. So unlike those comments from people too doctrinaire or lazy to follow new ideas.

    • Agree: Gilad Atzmon
    • Replies: @Gilad Atzmon
  15. kiwiklown says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Thanks for asking these great questions. Curious, thinking people need to know the answers.

  16. Prajna says: • Website
    @Gilad Atzmon

    @fran but yeah, Gilad, I agree.

  17. Paulbe says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    To answer one of them it now appears that American politicians and their donors needed time to get out of the share market before the news was permitted to really hit.

    • Replies: @animalogic
  18. Paulbe says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Your prediction is late to the party.

    No-one offers a coincidental vaccine within 90 days (MIGAL in Galilee) unless you already know all about the subject at hand in advance.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  19. @Fran Taubman

    FB is a company, it is not a public space. FB has every right to control the content on their site. If you don’t like it you can start your own site and become a FB competitor.

    I am sure that Gilad will start up his competitor company as soon as the CIA processes and approves his application for seed money.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  20. @Gilad Atzmon

    Off topic somewhat, but will we see you again on JFG’s Public Space.
    NGL, so far you were the only jewish guest bearable.

  21. “At the time, Israeli health authorities attributed the rise in pneumonia to Swine Flu.

    On what basis was it attributed to the Swine Flu? At that time (December and early January) the situation was likely not yet fully understood in China either.

    Taking a diagnostic test for coronavirus was not possible until after its announced availability on January 16. In the meantime, those who survived will no longer test positive for the virus, and a test for antibodies is not yet available. Those few who died could have been tested posthumously, in which case it would be interesting to find out what the results were, so instead of speculating it would be better to seek out a reliable answer.

    • Replies: @Kali
  22. Anon[327] • Disclaimer says:

    FYI, I believe there was an American-Canadian company that also claimed to have a vaccine very early.

    I think it is fascinating that Israel had this swine flu epidemic which had a death rate far above the actual swine flu. The same could probably be said about many other countries. It would be interesting if this virus came from somewhere random, but if Wuhan simply was the place it was properly identified and quarantined. There definitely ought to be more research, as it is too interesting to leave alone.

    • Replies: @Meena
  23. Kim says:
    @Wally

    And schoolchildren are required to attend.

  24. Meena says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    I have one to add- are we seeing same viruses in each states or counties or are they different . Any genetic test done ?

    We are not sharing any vaping deaths any more . Interesting times .

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  25. Meena says:
    @Anon

    Swine Flu genome is different from this one . Or am I missing something ?

    More relevant question why America did not talk about this outbreak .

    • Replies: @Anon
  26. Anonymous[210] • Disclaimer says:

    Two problems with that theory:

    1) I’m assuming that most countries have a system where random extra testing is done routinely on a small percentage of medical cases just in case and even more regularly on deceased patients.

    2) COVID-19 is supposed to be much more aggressive which quickly leads to a shortage of respirators/ventilators. Once that happens, mortality rate explodes since patients can’t be treated and that’s difficult to ignore.

    It is possible (IMO) that the patient zero wasn’t Chinese but it’s extremely unlikely that the virus was infecting millions of people around the world unnoticed.

  27. BuelahMan says:

    Miraculously, Israel is working on a vaccine!

  28. Anon[327] • Disclaimer says:
    @Meena

    I think the idea is that maybe not everyone with pneumonia symptoms gets a flu test, or maybe that swine flu is assumed when people with flu symptoms test negative for ordinary flus. Another commenter said coronavirus tests did not exist at the time.

    I actually do not know if this is true, I am an ordinary guy. But I’d love to see more information on this. In the USA now, people who test negative for flu often avoid taking coronavirus tests so that they do not get quarantined, and they leave the doctor with a “flu” diagnosis.

    I think that the USA was talking, but there was not widespread agreement that it would be “that bad.” The Italy situation caused people to change their minds. There have been many false epidemic scares in the past, such as the avian flu and Ebola. The swine flu in the USA passed over without much notice, so I suppose many people felt the same way.

  29. @Gilad Atzmon

    Gilad you should be sending me flowers I send so much business your way.
    I should be your opening act.

    Fran but he realised that the unconscious is the discourse of the Other. Fran is worried that others, you, me and the rest of humanity can see and point at her possible shame…this is basically the meaning of the hysteria around antisemitism. The fear of being exposed..

    No I think it is a fill in the blank more then collective shame.

    The Jews started WW1, WW2, The Russian Revolution, The Holocaust, The French Revolution.
    And all the deaths caused by all of those catastrophes including the Holocaust, are the responsibility of the Jews.

    So let me pose this

    Who created the Corona Virus and implemented its spread as part of a conspiracy to destroy the non Jews and take over the world. Fill in the blank. No shame involved.

    ——————————–

    Iti is comedy Gilad not shame.

  30. @Fidelios Automata

    How true. The rest of us should refer to it as Cohen-avirus.

  31. @Paulbe

    Exactly. Even 120 days would be hard to believe.

  32. @Tsar Nicholas

    I am sure that Gilad will start up his competitor company as soon as the CIA processes and approves his application for seed money.

    CIA ‘provided the seed money’ for Palantir; CIA was and afaik remains Palantir’s major client.

    I know less than zero about the extremely complex world in which Palantir works, don’t understand the difference between “data” and “code;” the jargon of computer engineering and computer science might as well be Swahili, so browsing Palantir web pages is a challenge.

    But here’s what Palantir’s home page claims:

    Manage Data like Code: . . .In both computer- and human-driven workflows, . . . institutions must maintain trust within and outside their organizations as they make decisions at a moment’s notice. That means they must be able to excavate the lineage of every piece of data — even as it undergoes transformations and integrations to become useful to the end user.

    Most data systems make it functionally impossible to store and manage the provenance of data. Our data versioning technology allows our customers to trust their decisions, and to prove how they made those decisions to internal and external parties.

    If it is the case that Palantir works with processes designed to trace data to provide a chain of verifiability and trust in decisions;
    And if it is the case that Palantir works closely with CIA;
    And if it is the case — and it is — that a Palantir co-founder, Peter Thiel, is a close consultant to the president of the United States,
    Then why can’t Palantir be assigned the task of tracking Covid 19, in order to ensure that “trustworthy” decisions can be made about how to lead an entire nation to respond to what may very well be an exercise in propaganda?

    Thiel’s worldview is profoundly informed by the notions of Mimesis: —

    see, Mimesis and Violence Part 1: Peter Thiel’s French Connection
    https://thesocietypages.org/cyborgology/2016/08/02/mimesis-and-violence-part-1-peter-thiels-french-connection/

    and

    The Straussian Moment, Peter Thiel, in Politics and the Apocalypse,

    Only a Rip van Winkle can fail to have noticed that in a few short days, the entire United States, maybe the world, has incorporated an entirely new set of ways of relating to their fellows; of responding to governmental decrees, and the like.

    How did this come about? Was it organic, or planned?
    If the latter, who did the planning?

    Why isn’t an investigative facility like Palantir assigned to “excavate the lineage of every piece of data” to discover and relate to the public answers to such questions?

    Is it because Palantir, or companies like it, created the memes?

  33. Iva says:

    Israel imposes quarantines and a large group of Hasidic Jews go to Lezajsk , Poland. Normally, every year they come in hundreds, and the city is flooded with them,  this year came less, but still why Israel let them out and why Poland let them in? It is so important to pray at somone grave?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  34. @Meena

    I don’t want to ask if we’re seeing the same viruses in each states or counties or are they different. That’s a thorny technical issue right now, as you can see here: http://virological.org/t/response-to-on-the-origin-and-continuing-evolution-of-sars-cov-2/418.

    I want to stick to the more obvious questions that laymen can ask and answer. Here’s my current thinking:

    People stopped vaping after the CDC blamed those deaths on it, though it never established a causal relationship and the thing faded away with no explanation. I’m surprised that Philip Morris, which invested billions in the technology, did not demand a proper enquiry.

    My suspicion is that, after we further weakened our weak public health system by firing the National Security Council Directorate for Global Health Security and Biodefense in 2018, we flew blind into a domestic-origin Cover-19 outbreak in August 2019.

    We do know that even well-intentioned politicians can thwart health alerts : China, with much better public health, on hair-trigger alert, actively looking for such an outbreak, took 2-3 weeks to wake up to it because local politicians worried that an outbreak might reflect on their competence. (Beijing has since rejigged things so that politicians cannot interfere with their CDC).

    Here in the US, by the time someone raised the alarm (October-November?) it was too late, so the White House decided to let it get lost in the annual ‘flu death toll and even forbade Covid-19 testing from January 1 to March 1.

    Perhaps the White House had decided to wait until it spread to another country then blame that country, as it blamed Mexico for H1N1 (after failing to detect it domestically for 6 months).

    So maybe all we’re seeing is a pattern of indifference, incompetence, mendacity and corruption. Not really sinister. Just really, really sad.

    • Replies: @animalogic
  35. @Gilad Atzmon

    Oh, I’m perfectly happy with the possibility that Israel caused all this — and I’ve no doubt that she would, if she thought it would be in her best interests. Believe me, you’re knocking at the wrong door if you think I have any illusions whatsoever regarding the moral texture of the Zionist entity.

    I’m not even condemning you for your post. I’d have posted much the same, given the same perceptions. No doubt, there are posts on my website (yes, this is a plug) open to similar criticisms.

    I’m merely pointing out the piece of evidence you’ve overlooked. Whatever beset Israel earlier in the year, it apparently wasn’t the Corona Virus.

  36. @Iva

    ‘Israel imposes quarantines and a large group of Hasidic Jews go to Lezajsk , Poland. Normally, every year they come in hundreds, and the city is flooded with them, this year came less, but still why Israel let them out and why Poland let them in? It is so important to pray at somone grave?’

    It’s more important to avoid incurring the wrath of Israel, and her giant gentile golem, the U.S.

    Let the Hasidim in. Are you crazy?

    As to Israel’s motives, she should worry about diseasing a bunch of gentiles? There are too many of them anyway.

    You seem to cherish some charming illusions. My apologies if I’ve caused you heart break.

  37. @Fran Taubman

    ‘Gilad you should be sending me flowers I send so much business your way.
    I should be your opening act.’

    You have no idea just how true this is. You should apply to Hamas for a stipend.

  38. @Colin Wright

    I assumed that Gilad was replying to Fran and unintentionally posting it in response to you.

  39. @SolontoCroesus

    We have every reason to be suspicous of those powers-that-should-not-be.

    At the moment everyone is suspsicious of their fellows in case they are carrying the Plague. Mass testing in UK and US would ease the fears, but it might accidentally reveal that more people have it than official stats suggest, and that it is not the existential threat we are being told it is.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  40. @Colin Wright

    I’m merely pointing out the piece of evidence you’ve overlooked. Whatever beset Israel earlier in the year, it apparently wasn’t the Corona Virus.

    What’s your evidence for this statement?

  41. @Colin Wright

    Hello Colin, the comment above re Israel and Corona was meant to Fran ,..sorry for the confusion … I don’t know why it tagged you instead …

  42. @Colin Wright

    More likely is that the vast majority of Italian ‘covid19’ deaths, were actually deaths from a pre-existing condition that was perhaps given a tiny, final nudge towards the grave by the illness.

    See this – the peak Italian health authorities are referring to them as ‘covid19-related‘ deaths.

    75% of those who died had 2 or more pre-existing serious, chronic conditions; of the 5 people aged 31-39 when they died, all five of them had serious pre-existing conditions.

    And that’s before we consider the ramifications of the false-positive rate for the test – which is almost certainly north of my estimate (from a month ago) of 60%.

    How many of the ‘covid19’-related deaths are false positives? How many are seasonal flu or some other coronavirus?

    These are questions to which we will be prevented from finding good answers in the short term.

    .

    Government health authorities are like priesthoods: they cannot ever admit that they are wrong… when the evidence becomes irrefutable they walk back their prior statements by degrees, always with some authoritative ‘gloss’. Max Planck’s “Truth advances one funeral at a time” (a paraphrase) is very apt.

    And as for the political class itself: when a policy proposal fails, they do not abandon it – they simply add a further ‘overlay’ on top. Again – a refusal to acknowledge that they have royally fucked up.

    They would set fire to the global economy, rather than saying

    “Look, we realise we’ve reacted like an Oprah audience to this shit – like a bunch of obese innumerate high-school dropouts. Let’s just reverse all the idiotic ‘lockdown’ shit we’ve forced on everyone. We promise that our next set of proposals will be driven by good evidence, properly analysed – rather than fuckwitted knee-jerk clampdowns based on a profoundly flawed understanding of extremely shitty evidence.”

    .

    Now, they’re “all-in” – they have declared a very obvious nothingburger to be an existential threat, and it will redound to their distinct disadvantage.

    Give this ‘lockdown’ shit another week, and people will stop complying, and when fuck-all happens afterwards they will realise that it’s time – as Mencken quipped – to hoist the black flag and start slitting throats.

  43. @Tsar Nicholas

    it is not the existential threat we are being told it is.

    Good insight.

    OR (tuning up Tinfoil Hat) — that the fear spread throughout USA and UK are smokescreens for the real germ warfare carried out against Iran

    AND that a relatively inexpensive, common cure exists: (h/t Pepsi):

    Now 3 International Studies Find Chloroquine with Azithromycin Shows 100% Success Rate in Treating Coronavirus in 6 Days!
    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/huge-development-now-3-international-studies-find-chloroquine-with-azithromycin-shows-100-success-rate-in-treating-coronavirus-in-6-days-video/

    Rep. Mark Green (R-TN) [a physician] : “The old reliable Malaria drug chloroquine, the newer version hydroxychloroquine has shown really good, three studies, one in Australia, one in China and now one in France mixed with azithromycin, just the old Z-Pac that we take for bronchitis, has had 100%. It cleared the virus, in some cases in three days, that cocktail in every one of the patients in that study… It’s very promising, 100% of the virus gone in six days!”

    . . . which suggests to me that some other agenda is operating under the smokescreen of the Toilet Paper virus/panic.
    My speculation is that it is an experiment in how much psychic tension the American people can withstand before all hell breaks loose.

    I suspect educated, white, career, millennial women will be first to crack: they’re not accustomed to staying home with their children.

    Any betting pools out there?

    How long before some outrage occurs, attributable to the complete disruption of the rhythms and patterns of daily life?

    This is psychological warfare upon the American people as well as others.

    By whom?

    duh

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  44. @SolontoCroesus

    Palantir got a fist rammed up its cybersphincter in Jun 2016 – as early as late 2015 its cyberhymen was already well and truly popped.

    They are absolute amateurs.

    If they had managed to recruit any serious talent since 2016, then folks I correspond with everyday would know. I suspect it’s the opposite: genuine talent won’t go to a tainted brand, which is why FB, TWTR, MSFT, and AMZN have third-quintile coders now. (Look at how bad MSFTs update cycle has got).

    One thing about Palantir is that they are politically well connected – and they spend a fortune on marketing, so their bumph looks like they know what the fuck they’re doing.

    They’re ‘pretty presentation layer and shit-awful back-end‘ – the cyber-equivalent of ‘all hat and no cattle‘.

    If they pick on the wrong people again, their back-end won’t be left intact next time.

  45. @Kratoklastes

    ok, so I already said I’m dumber than rocks re this technology —

    “tainted brand” and “3rd quintile coders” — are you saying Palantir drop-outs end up at FB etc, and that they’re sub-standard? Or the opposite? Are FB, AMZN etc also “tainted brands”?
    Who gets the real talent?
    I guess it figures that a company whose advertising constantly emphasizes how its engineers are “wicked smart” — maybe not.

    What happened in 2016?
    Interesting comment from Alex Kart in this 2016 article:
    https://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/06/palantir-2016-disruptor-50.html
    “CEO Alex Karp may have given a huge hint when he said of his secretive company back in 2013: “[An initial public offering] would make running a company like ours very difficult.”

    Just a few weeks ago, Karp’s company announced that effective immediately no more cash bonuses would be paid: the company was saving up for IPO, whereupon bonuses would be in shares.

    Wonder if the stock market crash has impacted that decision.

    Politically well-connected — yes indeedy. The other companies you named surely have offices in Israel; Palantir does as well.

  46. @Gilad Atzmon

    I have no forensic evidence that connects Israel to corona but the fact that so many ppl (including you apparently) look in this direction suggests to me that the Zionist promise to bring about a new Hebrew and save the eeohatafion of the ppl has failed disastrously…

    Not sure what “eeohatafion” is, but if it implies the concept that Israel (as it exists in Palestine) can become a geopolitical equal among others, I concur.

    I myself haven’t advanced any theories about CV, though like you, I’m not surprised that, given its terrible track record in the modern world, so many folks have pointed fingers at Israel. If our resident zionists knew how many ordinary Americans on the ground — with zero connection to UR — did this, their heads would surely explode.

    I also appreciate your novel approach to this situation. We need more such rational approaches, particularly when so many are inclined toward hysteria.

    May you remain safe and secure.

    • Agree: Kali, Gilad Atzmon
  47. @Paulbe

    “it now appears that American politicians and their donors needed time to get out of the share market before the news was permitted to really hit.”
    Indeed. 3 R’s & 1 D Fed senators/congress
    persons are in “trouble” for taking advantage of undisclosed info’. Expect vicious wrist slapping.

  48. @Godfree Roberts

    “the White House decided to let it get lost in the annual ‘flu death toll and even forbade Covid-19 testing from January 1 to March 1.”
    Was the “forbid” official ? ie a “thou shalt not” executive order? Or was it orchestrated neglect ?

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  49. @Kratoklastes

    What is 3rd quintile coders?
    Why don’t these guys/gals figure out a code to
    create wealth for everyone on the planet and then recode it circles back and repeat itself. Like a perpetual motion of wealth being transformed billions of times around the world so that it never stops to actually have accountability. Wealth by perpetual motion.
    I am up early.

  50. @animalogic

    I know. I know. It sounds so… but here it is:

    On the other side of the country in Seattle, Dr. Chu and her flu study colleagues, unwilling to wait any longer, decided to begin running samples. A technician in the laboratory of Dr. Lea Starita who was testing samples soon got a hit…
    “What we were allowed to do was to keep it to ourselves,” Dr. Chu said. “But what we felt like we needed to do was to tell public health.” They decided the right thing to do was to inform local health officials…
    Later that day, the investigators and Seattle health officials gathered with representatives of the C.D.C. and the F.D.A. to discuss what happened. The message from the federal government was blunt. “What they said on that phone call very clearly was cease and desist to Helen Chu,” Dr. Lindquist remembered. “Stop testing.”

    ‘It’s Just Everywhere Already’: How Delays in Testing Set Back the U.S. Coronavirus Response.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/10/us/coronavirus-testing-delays.html

    I’ve put this question in front of at least 200,000 serious readers in the past week and nobody has even hazarded a guess as to what’s going on.

    • Replies: @animalogic
  51. @Godfree Roberts

    Fair enough. A sort of unofficial “do as you’re told — (or else)”. Dont know if its true, but certainly believable.

  52. Kali says:
    @Been_there_done_that

    instead of speculating it would be better to seek out a reliable answer.

    Until the (speculative) question has been pose (and thank you Gilad for posing it) answers, reliable or otherwise) will not be sought.

  53. @Fran Taubman

    Fran my fren, since you seem to be an expert,
    why is plastic surgery (especially nose jobs) so common among the people made in god’s image?
    And for that matter by Muslims too?
    Is that envy, a form of greed and one of the sins according to the Lord?
    And it’s envy of Europeans, since the faces aren’t remodeled in a black humans shape.
    And isn’t envy, so I was told, the root of all Anti-Isms?

    Please enlighten me on that topic.

    • Replies: @Truth3
  54. Godfrey, people have done more than hazard a guess. It’s facially Nuremberg Count 1.

    To boost the viability and virulence of novel germ warfare strains, the mad scientist runs them through victim populations, ideally multiple times, first ferrets, perhaps, but ultimately humans, to let them select for improved contagion mutations. That has to be done in secrecy to keep the weapon unattributable. Wu was a witness to the crime of human experimentation for BWC-illegal biological warfare. So of course she was gagged.

    We know CIA has been shredding the BWC with pretextual defensive research on every imaginable pathogen for decades now. With COVID-19, they’re busted. Genetic diversity of the novel strain shows its US origin. Dilyana’s documentary evidence of illegal US biological warfare shows its purpose. Under the definition of the crime of aggression, intent does not matter. Inadvertent release is no defense. The Fort Detrick closure is chaff.

    The evidence we have now is sufficient for a World Court case, an ICC investigation, or use of force in self defense by China and Iran. The evidence is also sufficient for a criminal tribunal anywhere in the world, even here in the US.

    After 9/11 we were too diffident about the obvious CIA orchestration of the crime while they carted off the crime scene. Now we all need to keep CIA at bay because they’re effacing their trail right now. What kind of shitheads would pen thousands cheek-by-jowl in airports? The only reason you would do that is to fabricate an explanation of COVID-19 genetic diversity in the US.

    The CIA bots are doing what they always do, fixating on technical minutiae, though the case is open-and-shut based on US government actions alone.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  55. @SolontoCroesus

    Paul Craig Roberts posted a link about the French study on March 13/20, and noted that it was first developed in France for SARS. SARS is another Covid virus that allegedly was spread from animals to humans in China.
    https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2020/03/13/treatments-for-coronavirus-that-have-worked-in-china/
    Yet today, the media still insists that there is “no evidence” that Chloroquine or its derivative Hydroxychloroquine will work. It’s an unpopular notion that France is actually a world leader in Microbiology and Virology, and the first to identify HIV-1, which despite all of the hype was not first discovered by American Robert Gallo.
    https://www.mayoclinicproceedings.org/article/S0025-6196(11)61990-3/fulltext

    “No evidence” means that Big Pharma in the US hasn’t given its seal of approval. That will be withheld until the Israeli vaccine is approved, whether it works or not.

  56. I think the virus introduced in Iran and China (or just Iran) is different.

  57. Truth3 says:
    @Fuerchtegott

    It’s because Jooz are just Fugly.

    Frannie might be the Fugliest of all.

  58. Truth3 says:

    Italy, with over 4,000 CV deaths, has exceeded the capacity of it’s crematoriums.

    All of Italy.

    Over a month.

    4,000+ bodies is tooooooooo many.

    Sounds like they need the Jews that worked at Auschwitz to figure out how to do it.

    I can hear Sonderkommando Jon Lovitz now…

    “That’s it… We’ll Lie about it! That’s the Ticket!”

  59. Iris says:

    So in summary, Isreal’s death rate from Covid-19 currently stands at an amazing: 1/883= 0.11%

    Such usual “geniuses”; they should be travelling the world and show China how it’s done.

  60. @Fran Taubman

    If it is a comedy why you and the ADL and the CAA are so active? When you have a moment look in the mirror and inform yourself about the notion of Goy Hatred (sinat goyim)..maybe looking into the Hebrew abbreviation for Yeshu (Jesus) is a good start…I do accept that me and others blowing the whistle on all of that upsets you…

    • Agree: AnonStarter
    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  61. @The Robert Jackson Five

    The jig’s up.

    Every Health Minister on earth already knows what happened and we will, too, within 48 hours, possibly here on Unz.

    From what I’ve learned in the last few hours, the solution is much, much, much dumber than anyone suspected, like, seriously stupid, ill-mannered, gauche, immature…

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Fran Taubman
  62. Anonymous[304] • Disclaimer says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Every Health Minister on earth already knows what happened and we will, too, within 48 hours, possibly here on Unz.

    OK, now I’m interested.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  63. @Godfree Roberts

    Is your last name Chan? What is your real name Godfree?
    So you are saying that US athletes staying 300 yards from the wet market with bat shit in close contact with dead food (a place where many other virus’s in past have started. Nothing like the obvious.) gave the virus to the Chinese. Common. How does that work. Where did those athletes get it from?
    Nothing but stupid propaganda, Mr. Chan.

    The Corona virus started in the Chinese wet market in Wuhan province.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  64. @Gilad Atzmon

    Aww Gilad you are killing me. I am busted!! Do I have to give the skittles and flashlights I took from those Goyim’s children on their way to school?

    The reverse is true Gilad and you know it is I and many others who are blowing the whistle on you. You have been accused and shunned for promoting hatred of Jews, via conspiracy theories, accusing Jews of causing civilian deaths, suffering and chaos.

    So let me be clear. You propagate and pedal ideas that blame Jews for ongoing world events and tragedies from past to the present

    Whatever the tragedy whether it be Syria, starvation in Yemen, financial disasters, or the Corona virus, all roads lead to the Jews and Israel. The blood libel personified from the ancient Christian myths about Jews.

    One can almost write your articles ahead of time. I knew as soon as I heard of Covet 19, I would be seen an article by you saying the virus that came out Israel and was part of a bio warfare program.

    You are busted, not me. When tragedies like these occur you become a cartoon character reaching for liars and crack pots to back your ideas.
    That is why FB and other internet sites will increasingly silence your gratuitous propaganda.

  65. @Fran Taubman

    Fran my fren, since you seem to be an expert,
    why is plastic surgery (especially nose jobs) so common among the people made in god’s image?
    And for that matter by Muslims too?
    Is that envy, a form of greed and one of the sins according to the Lord?
    And it’s envy of Europeans, since the faces aren’t remodeled in a black humans shape.
    And isn’t envy, so I was told, the root of all Anti-Isms?

    Please enlighten me on that topic.

    Just in case you overlooked it.

  66. @Fran Taubman

    Like hundreds of millions of people I shop at a wet market every day. No bats, no bat shit. No disease.

    Recall that chinese children have better healthy life expectancy than ours so public health there, especially in cities, is better than ours.

    An athlete contracted it while training near Ft. Detrick just before the team left for Wuhan.

    Instead of announcing that he and four of his teammates had been hospitalized in Wuhan with a novel coronavirus we started blaming China.

    Because Ft. Detrick

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
    , @AnonStarter
  67. @Godfree Roberts

    Many viruses like Sars stared in Wet markets. What is your real name. You are Chinese stop pretending. Live and dead animals stored in the same place is a ticket for disaster. So the American gave it to the Chinese ? Stop. THE VIRIUS CAME FROM A WET MARKET.

    [MORE]

    WHO ARE YOU. GODFREE A CHINESE NATIONALIST. NOT TOO BIAS.

    WORLD
    The Chinese Wild-Animal Industry and Wet Markets Must Go
    By THERESE SHAHEEN
    March 19, 2020 2:36 PM

    A worker in a protective suit at the closed seafood market in Wuhan, Hubei Province, China, January 10, 2020. The seafood market is linked to the outbreak of the pneumonia caused by the new strain of coronavirus, but some patients diagnosed with the new coronavirus deny exposure to this market. (Stringer/Reuters)
    Despite the huge health risks they create, these practices are deeply embedded in rural Chinese life.
    The Standing Committee of the National People’s Congress, in effect the executive committee of the Chinese Communist Party, in late February issued an edict banning the country’s “wet markets,” including those in Wuhan, the source of the current COVID-19 outbreak. The statement notes that “it is necessary to strengthen market supervision, resolutely ban and severely crack down on illegal wildlife markets and trade, and control major public health risks from the source.” The Straits Times of Singapore has reported that eight laws have been passed in the last week. We have no details on the contents of the legislation. It’s too soon to know, though, whether we have been down this road before.

    After the SARS outbreak in 2003, which was traced to a wet market in the southern Guangdong Province, a temporary ban on wet markets and the wild-animal industry were put in place. In July of that year, the World Health Organization declared the SARS virus contained, and in August the Chinese government lifted the ban.

    Wet markets are found the world over, typically open-air sites selling fresh meat, seafood, and produce. The meats often are butchered and trimmed on-site. Markets in China have come in for justifiable condemnation because of the way they’ve evolved, commingling traditional livestock with a wide variety of wild animals, including exotic and endangered species. Many are quite unsanitary, with blood, entrails, excrement, and other waste creating the conditions for disease that migrates from animals to people through virus, bacteria, and other forms of transmission. Such “zoonotic diseases” that have emerged from China and other regions of the world include Ebola, HIV, bird flu, swine flu, and SARS.

    GET FUCKING LOST YOU CHINESE PROPAGANDIST.

  68. @Godfree Roberts

    An athlete contracted it while training near Ft. Detrick just before the team left for Wuhan.

    Instead of announcing that he and four of his teammates had been hospitalized in Wuhan with a novel coronavirus we started blaming China.

    Thank you for sharing this.

    You say that there will be evidence confirming this within a short period of time. Can you provide more details?

  69. @Fran Taubman

    Thank you for your sober, fact-packed, highly informative and persuasive response to Godfree Roberts, Fran Taubman.

    The intellectual heft and brilliance you brought to bear, and the overall demonstration of how a Jewish person on a mission to defend Jewish beliefs approaches a contentious situation, have convinced me of the righteousness of the Jewish point of view.

  70. @SolontoCroesus

    He is not blaming Jews or Israel, he is blaming Americans. He is a phony. His name is not Godfree Roberts.
    You are welcome for information on Chinese wet markets and the inherent diseases when killing live animals around dead animals. These places should be closed. They would never meat American health standards and they have caused many many viruses.
    The wet markets should be the focus. I really dislike phony foreign propagandist writing under fake names.

    Wet markets are found the world over, typically open-air sites selling fresh meat, seafood, and produce. The meats often are butchered and trimmed on-site. Markets in China have come in for justifiable condemnation because of the way they’ve evolved, commingling traditional livestock with a wide variety of wild animals, including exotic and endangered species. Many are quite unsanitary, with blood, entrails, excrement, and other waste creating the conditions for disease that migrates from animals to people through virus, bacteria, and other forms of transmission. Such “zoonotic diseases” that have emerged from China and other regions of the world include Ebola, HIV, bird flu, swine flu, and SARS.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  71. @Fran Taubman

    Like hundreds millions of people, I shop at a wet market every day. They’re not like our shrink-wrapped, chlorine-dipped meat counters, but they work fine and have for thousands of years.

    The article you refer to, The Chinese Wild-Animal Industry and Wet Markets Must Go, by Therese Shaheen, is a cultural and racist attack with no bearing whatever on Covid-19, whose real story is this:

    1. Patient Zero, an infected US serviceman*, went to Wuhan with the US Military Games team.

    2. He infected four of his teammates and all five were hospitalized in Wuhan with Covid-19. If that is the case then the Chinese have their medical records. If Mike Pompeo is begging it’s because he has no alternative.

    3. The Army should have quarantined the team** after they returned to the US on December 1, so our outbreak may have started late December, if other returned team members tested positive.

    4. A Chinese arrived from Wuhan Jan. 19 and asked to be tested for the coronavirus China had identified. He tested positive and our media call him ‘Patient Zero’ but..

    5. We don’t know when our domestic outbreak started because the CDC discouraged testing from January until early March despite having received the WHO’s Coronavirus warning January 1.

    5. CDC Director Robert Redfield recently admitted that some deaths previously attributed to ‘flu have been reclassified as Covid-19 after post-mortem DNA testing. I assume that at least one of those patients died in December since Dr. Redfield refused to reveal their dates.

    6. Right now the CDC is still refusing to share its data with the WHO or identify Patient Zero** to the American public–unprecedented behavior during a pandemic.

    ______________________________________________________
    *It doesn’t materially matter if he was infected while training near Ft. Detrick but, if he was, it helps explain the coverup.

    **Did some team members go on leave to Italy after the Games? USMAC makes that easy.

    ***The significance of finding Patient Zero is to determine the time of initial infection and then estimate the scope of transmission and epidemic scale. The second purpose is to find the intermediate host. If Patient Zero really is our hypothetical US serviceman and the CDC is lying about him, then Patient Zero assumes political significance, too.

    • Replies: @Been_there_done_that
  72. @Fran Taubman

    1. Clean your own doorstep before you spread nonsense about others.

    Concern over COVID-19 spread in Orthodox Jewish communities

    https://abc7ny.com/health/concern-over-coronavirus-spread-in-orthodox-jewish-communities-/6032560/
    Friday, March 20, 2020 6:05PM

    KIRYAS JOEL, Orange County (WABC) — Amid reports that Orthodox Jewish communities were not following social distancing restrictions, officials in the northern suburbs of New York City are taking actions to curb large gatherings.

    Orange County Executive Steven Neuhaus says resistance the directives in the Orthodox Jewish community has led to a spike in coronavirus cases in Kiryas Joel, and he says he’s “extremely concerned” about the virus’ spread in the densely populated village which has over 100 schools.

    Coronavirus: ‘Huge Spike’ in Brooklyn Hasidic Community
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/18/nyregion/Coronavirus-brooklyn-hasidic-jews.html
    More than 100 test positive in two neighborhoods, all at two urgent care centers crammed with worried families.

    Brooklyn clinics show dangers of free-for-all approach to coronavirus testing, says NYC councilman
    https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-brooklyn-orthodox-boro-park-williamsburg-20200318-4y7udclfhzdwdbpui75aysf6y4-story.html

    A chain of urgent care clinics unnecessarily put New Yorkers at risk by urging people to come in for coronavirus testing even if they don’t need it, said Councilman Mark Levine, who chairs the Council’s Health Committee.
    He pointed at the Asisa Urgent Care Centers — based in Orthodox Jewish neighborhoods in Boro Park and Williamsburg, Brooklyn — which encouraged people to come in for testing even if they didn’t have symptoms of the virus.

    2. There are at least a dozen Chinese “wet markets” within Washington, DC or just minutes from the Capitol in the Virginia and Maryland suburbs. No virus spread from any of them. They have plenty of live creatures and other exotic imported goods. No virus.

    3. Today, many reporters and pundits sharply criticized Trump and the administration for responding to COVID19 “too little and at least 3 weeks too late.”
    Some years ago Hadassah http://www.hadassahmagazine.org/site/apps/nlnet/content2.aspx?c=twI6LmN7IzF&b=7801745&ct=11195635. wrote a glowing article about Anne Schuchat, M.D., CDC’s Principal Deputy Director and specialist in infectious diseases working under another Jewish specialist in infectious diseases at CDC.
    At National Press Club just over three weeks ago, Schuchat told reporters:

    The novel coronavirus that has prompted health emergency declarations around the world appears to be spreading much faster than SARS did, a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention official said.
    But at the same time, the virus may turn out to be less severe than the virus known as SARS, which prompted similar global pandemic fears in 2003, CDC Principal Deputy Director Anne Schuchat said while speaking at the National Press Club on Tuesday.
    SARS had a mortality rate of around 10% among patients that contracted the illness, she said. Meanwhile, preliminary data from China indicates the coronavirus may have closer to just over a 2% mortality rate.
    The overall mortality based on the number of people around the world who have contracted the virus is much lower, although wider scale assessments still need to be completed, she said.
    She recommended providers remain vigilant while reiterating the risk of coronavirus is still low in the U.S.

    Looks like blame should be placed where it belongs, not at the president’s desk but in those the American people are paying to know these things and advise the president and appropriate authorities; people like Anne Schuchet.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  73. bjondo says:

    Yid so blind.
    Safety in front of Yid nose.

    Gaza already walled and life-protecting shit flows.

    Drag Gazans out. Move Yid in.
    Yid can be safe behind Yid wall.
    Air drop food or something similar.

    Let the Gazans and West Bankers risk facing Ness Ziona-19.

    Ziona Corona could end up giving the 2-state solution:
    Gaza for Yid; Israel for Palestinians. (Aletho)

    5 dancing shlomos

  74. @SolontoCroesus

    My door step is not in Brooklyn, it is in Shelter Island. We have no cases here as of yet.
    I have never heard of a wet markets in the US other then fish. I googled it nothing came up. You are aware of the Chinese proclivity for exotic animals, such as snakes, monkeys, dogs etc.
    The wet market issue in China has been an issue forever. Forget Anne Schuchet. Just google it there are a million articles. Hot topic. Common sense would lead one to a virus form a Zoonotic.

    sanitation standards are not maintained, wet markets can spread diseases. Because of the openness, newly introduced animals may come in direct contact with sales clerks, butchers, and customers. Insects such as flies have relatively easy access to the food products. Carcasses are sometimes thrown on the floor to be butchered. The avian flu, SARS and COVID-19 outbreaks can be traced to keeping live animals in wet markets, where potential for zoonotic transmission is greatly increased.[21][22]

    Just let the word Zoonotic flow off your tongue a couple of times and you will start to feel the tingling of a virus. Zoon –otic, as in Zoo. Like Zoo animals in captivity.

    • Replies: @Prajna
  75. @Godfree Roberts

    He infected four of his teammates and all five were hospitalized in Wuhan with Covid-19.

    How was this supposed to have been determined back in October in light of the sequencing of COVID-19 not having been performed until earlier this year and the diagnostic test not available until January 17th? Retrospectively, none of these team members would have tested positive any more if they survived.

    “…after they returned to the US on December 1…”

    There appears to be a huge gap in the timeline. Where were these team members during the entire month of November and what were they doing?

    By early December they would have already recovered from whatever illness they previously had and would have not been contagious, so there would have been no reason to quarantine them.

    Moreover, not just hotel employees but also competing athletes from other countries should also have been infected during this period, in which case outbreaks should have emerged in other countries at a much earlier period than February.

    Based on this sparse information, the story doesn’t add up. Yet it surely doesn’t suggest a nefarious attempt at biological warfare by the US, which has been a prevalent theme among some on this site.

    Chinese officials have been very secretive about this affair so there is no reason to exonerate them.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  76. @SolontoCroesus

    huh
    well Fran, Andrew Joyce agrees with you.

    https://www.unz.com/article/how-covid-19-will-test-the-west/

    I find the idea that the virus originated in a Wuhan “wild food” market to be utterly compelling (see this documentary by 60 Minutes Australia, and this short piece by Vox), and this has direct consequences for perceptions of Chinese Communism.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  77. Rarely take people blame from Hitler like Fran Taubman does.

    @Fran Taubman

    Really a case of nomen est omen.

    Still waiting for an enlightening answer.

    @Gilad Atzmon Will we see you again on TPS?

  78. @SolontoCroesus

    Oh SC you believe someone whose name is Godfree Roberts who shops at a wet market every day.

  79. Been_there_done_that raised reasonable questions about discrepancies in the timeline.

    I question the Wet Market hypothesis because, as you said Fran, “The wet market issue in China has been an issue forever.”

    Why did it erupt now? Why hasn’t there been a long history of episodes of wet market germs galloping around the world sickening tens of thousands?

    Ask the cymbal player: timing is everything.

    A major wet market that has been an issue “forever” becomes ground Zero for spread of a virus just at a time when American service men had been present, men who had also recently been at a base where USA has been carrying out biological – chemical warfare research “forever.”

    Mere correlation, or causal relationship?

    That is exactly what the American people pay Anne Schuchat (granddaughter of a kosher butcher) to know; to give advice to our leadership and decision-makers, and and to find out in advance of measures that threaten the American social fabric and economy.

    You seem to have an anti-science bias regarding Covid-19, Fran;, “Forget about Anne Schuchat.”

    You want us to believe someone who “lives on Shelter Island and googles.”

    On Nov 19, 2019, Schuchat pointed to vaping as a source of illnesses.
    https://www.c-span.org/video/?465905-5/washington-journal-dr-anne-schuchat-discusses-rise-vaping-related-illness

    On Feb. 11, 2020, Anne Schuchat said, “While coronavirus spreading faster than SARS, it could be less severe.” https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/practices/3-takeaways-for-clinicians-emerging-coronavirus-crisis

    Two weeks later, Schuchat stood with Pres. Trump and said, “Aggressive containment efforts have been working.” https://www.cnbc.com/video/2020/02/26/cdcs-dr-anne-schuchat-on-preventing-the-spread-of-coronavirus.html

    Less than Three weeks after that, on Mar 13, 2020, Pres. Trump declared a national emergency.
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/13/politics/donald-trump-emergency/index.html

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  80. Israelis are complaining that they don’t like having a curfew, they don’t like getting arrested for gathering in public spaces, and don’t like the fact that they can’t see their nearby relatives.

    I am sure that Palestinians have felt the same way for YEEEEAAARRRS!

    This new article in the JTimes about how Israeli soldiers are literally maiming palestinians by shooting them in the knees and then turning it into a competition makes me sick to my stomach. Seeing the pictures of scores of palestinians with amputated legs because they shot for non-violently protesting the Israeli occupation 100% reminds me of the holocaust. Even Worse!

    • Replies: @Fuerchtegott
  81. bjondo says:

    Seeing the pictures of scores of palestinians with amputated legs because they shot for non-violently protesting the Israeli occupation 100% reminds me of the holocaust. Even Worse!

    Much worse.

    Palestinian suffering real.
    Palestinians are real.

    HollowFraud a fraud.
    Yid is fraud.

    5 dancing shlomos

  82. Prajna says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    Zoo-notic you say Frannie. Phew! I was thinking Joo-notic, like most dis-ease.

  83. @SolontoCroesus

    Why did it erupt now? Why hasn’t there been a long history of episodes of wet market germs galloping around the world sickening tens of thousands?

    It has been erupting for years. Sars was from a Chinese wet market.

    That is exactly what the American people pay Anne Schuchat (granddaughter of a kosher butcher) to know; to give advice to our leadership and decision-makers, and and to find out in advance of measures that threaten the American social fabric and economy.

    The fact that her father is a kosher butcher is excellent for Kosher animals only eat plant food. When you start eating animals that eat other animals is where you start trouble. The higher up on the food chain the more chance of disease.

    You seem to have an anti-science bias regarding Covid-19, Fran;, “Forget about Anne Schuchat.”

    Don’t know what to tell you SC we all come to our own conclusions. My guess that housing live carnivores animals with

    You want us to believe someone who “lives on Shelter Island and googles.”

    Isn’t that what everyone does even scientist looking for historical facts to make assumptions on?

    Do you have test tubes in your basement SC? Are you working on a vaccine.? You are googling?
    Information is information cross checked over many sources can lead to accurate conclusions.

    My hunch is that housing carnivorous animals with edible food close by is a source of disease an infections. Most of these diseases are transmitted from animals to humans. Ebola came from monkeys.

    For me it is not rocket science just common sense and rules for eating and killing animals that I have been taught. Everyone can make their own conclusions. But I doubt the virus was imported to China from American. They went to China and stayed near a wet market. duh

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  84. @Fran Taubman

    Funny story,
    How I Scored A 100-year Old Hand Carved French Sideboard for < $100.

    My good friend Chee needed to buy vegetables for a Hot-Pot we were going to prepare together at his house. We’d done it before — it’s fun, but not all that tasty, to my way of thinking, and a little scary if the water is not kept boiling hot.

    But anyway —

    The usual Chinese grocery where Chee shops did not have the fungi he wanted, so we went to a smaller, newly opened Chinese grocery in a shopping strip a few miles away. I went in with Chee and nearly gagged; the place smelled just disgusting.

    I told Chee I’d wait outside.

    Wandering around the shopping strip I came upon a re-sale shop that was going out of business: BOGO: I bought the French sideboard and a Victorian dresser, Eastlake carving, w/ swivel mirror, pink marble-top, carved cherry, authentic Victorian hardware for $100.
    I wish I’d bought the Japanese brass-banded otherwise-unidentifiable-wood-box-like-item instead of the dresser.
    Too soon old too late smart.

    Spent a fortune transporting the 7′ French sideboard, and another fortune replicating the one missing Art Deco drawer pull on the sideboard (there’s a rule in re-sale shops: Always one drawer pull missing).
    Great for spreading an Italian smorgasbord for friends and family and storing Mom’s espresso pot and demitasse china.

    Chee’s Hot Pot party was not that bad, but I prefer Italian: garlic is the original social distancing vegetable.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  85. @Ginger Bread Man

    should have compared it to a movie

  86. @SolontoCroesus

    No way I am eating from that Hot Pot. No way. I told you do not eat animals that are carnivores, only animals with plant based diets. Stick to eating kosher, someday you and your family will thank me. I have been invited to eat Hot Pots with alligators. No way.

    And tell Godfree Roberts aka. Woo Han Woo to pedal his snake oil else where. The guy is obviously from the Chinese diplomatic core. This theory is all over the news and a reporter asked the Chinese Ambassador straight faced if he believed the theory that a US athlete brought the virus to Wuhan.
    He would not confirm it, and denied it came from his office.

  87. @Been_there_done_that

    The Games ran until October 27 so the team would have been home by November 1, presumably.

    Were they quarantined? All militaries are strong on epidemics, given their history in warfare. Were they ultra-quarantined for fear of creating a scandal? Can we talk to them?

    The stories in Chinese media confirm military patients being treated in special infectious wards, and carry photos of them with the medical staff, but do not identify their infection as Covid-19. Four special patients “exposed” a special military Games support force: https://user.guancha.cn/main/content?id=248463

    If it was Covid-19 then it could now be identified retroactively. No-one has done that but the Chinese Ambassador is asking who was our Patient Zero. And we’re not saying. Why?

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
    , @Kali
  88. @Godfree Roberts

    Patient Zero. The Wuhan wet market!! Give it up Woo. This gig is over.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  89. @Fran Taubman

    Daniel Lucey, an infectious disease specialist at Georgetown University, claimed that because there is an incubation time between infection and symptoms surfacing, and the presence of infected people with no links to wildlife market, the virus could not have originated from the wildlife market.

    Kristian Andersen, an evolutionary biologist at the Scripps Research Institute, agreed with the assessment.

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/01/wuhan-seafood-market-may-not-be-source-novel-virus-spreading-globally

    • Thanks: AnonStarter
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  90. Kali says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Good morning Godfree,

    Earlier on in this corona crisis I read a couple of reports (one below from zerohedge)which said that the novel sars-cov2 virus has a protien spike which matches the hiv virus spike (the spike allows the virus to penetrate human cells).

    Yesterday I read a technical paper (linked below) which describes how psudoviruses are engineered in labs for testing. One of the methods used involves “enveloping” the virus to be tested in hiv, siv, fiv and other virus protiens, amongst other things.

    If the initial reports suggesting the covid19 virus has the hiv spike were true, then I think it would be safe to assume the virus was manufactured and was either deliberately or accidentally released.

    Which, in turn would make the whole “wet market” hypothesis entirely wrong.

    I hope this helps you on your search for the truth.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/coronavirus-contains-hiv-insertions-stoking-fears-over-artificially-created-bioweapon

    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/rmv.1963?fbclid=IwAR3_BFBc8QBsgUHFpi8sOg13ZXezxdORUuodKesnIgm0o2YUf8n5IYIXyoE

    Best wishes,
    Kali.

    • Agree: Prajna
  91. Iris says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    Dear Mr Atzmon;

    I am so very sad, and sure you are too, to learn that Many Dibango has just died of the Covid-19 infection.

    It reminds to say what I always wanted to tell you: you are a wonderful jazz musician.

    May God bless you with a long, happy and productive life, which brings the blessing of music into ours. Best.

    • Replies: @Gilad Atzmon
  92. It may even be possible that Jews are somewhat resistant to Corona.

    This Forward opinion disagrees about that:

    Why American Jews are at greater risk for coronavirus

    https://forward.com/opinion/442014/why-american-jews-are-at-greater-risk-for-coronavirus/

    …it is time for the Jewish community to pause, adapt, and learn to schmooze differently…

  93. @Godfree Roberts

    ‘Daniel Lucey, an infectious disease specialist at Georgetown University, claimed that because there is an incubation time between infection and symptoms surfacing…’

    That delay would also be very useful in a biological weapon. One would want the disease to spread as much as possible before the enemy became aware it had been released.

    Add that the disease seems to spread rapidly and then die off; that would also be militarily useful. After all, your triumphant armies and waves of deserving settlers are going to need to move in safely.

    Finally, once detected, it seems to be turning out to be readily treated.

    About all that’s lacking is really high morbidity — but then, maybe somebody just wants to demonstrate what they could do.

    I’m not convinced of the validity of any of the theories — but the points above strike me.

  94. @Fran Taubman

    My dear, being subject to Jewish vengeance is something I am used to by now. It only makes me a member of a very prestigious club that includes Otto Weininger, Spinoza, Uriel Da Costa, Marx and of course Jesus Christ. I can cope believe me…

    • Agree: Fuerchtegott
  95. @Gilad Atzmon

    https://www.danisch.de/blog/2019/12/01/lieber-karl/

    U should get someone to translate a few of those pieces of Marx written about and highlighted by Hadmut.

    Karl Marx was a jew through and through.
    A pristine example of jewishness.

    Judaism 101.
    Epic memetics.

    And Jesus, as far as I remember, was baptized. Not a jew.

  96. @Fuerchtegott

    Matthew 3:13-17

    The Baptism of Jesus
    Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to be baptized by John. But John tried to deter him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?”

    Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.” Then John consented.

    As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him.

    And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”

    • Agree: Fuerchtegott
  97. @Fuerchtegott

    Pope Francis leads Christians around the world in Our Father prayer
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/03/25/coronavirus-pope-francis-leads-christians-global-our-father-prayer/5076885002/

    Pope Francis invited Christians around the world to pray together amid the coronavirus pandemic as he led an Our Father on Wednesday.

    Appearing alone in the Library of the Apostolic Palace, the Vatican’s library, Francis recited the Lord’s Prayer and asked for prayers for all people affected by the virus.

    “As trustful children we turn to the Father. We do it every day, several times a day; but right now we wish to beg mercy for mankind, so sorely tried by the coronavirus pandemic. And we do this together, Christians of every church and community, of every tradition, of every age, language and nation,” Francis said.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  98. @Gilad Atzmon

    None of the people you listed posted train wrecks of Jewish lives to gloat over, like a rubber necker looking at the gore of a car accident.
    Cheap thrills.
    Spinoza was true to his philosophy he never got personal. Maybe you should learn from that.
    For you it is all personal.

    Karl Marx was not Jewish. His parents converted and he wore a big cross around his neck. Would you consider him Jewish?

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    , @Gilad Atzmon
  99. @SolontoCroesus

    The pope has declared that Jew hatred is a sin against god. What do you think of that SC?
    A sin against god.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  100. Karl Marx was not Jewish. His parents converted and he wore a big cross around his neck. Would you consider him Jewish?

    Would you consider what Marx is wearing around his neck a cross?

    For reference: Here is a man with a beard–Hans Holbein– wearing a cross around his neck

    Is it the same or not the same as what is hanging around Marx’s neck?

    Perhaps he’s writing with a Cross pen

    Or maybe he’s cross at being mischaracterized by Fran Taubman

  101. Hibernian says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Did Karl have a cross around his neck when he wrote that religion was the opiate of the people?

  102. @Fran Taubman

    The pope has declared that Jew hatred is a sin against god. What do you think of that SC?
    A sin against god.

    Oy the drama.
    Made me think of

    What do I think?

    I think you’ve distorted, or more accurately, inverted, what might have been said by someone not a pope, just the way you identified a round magnifying glass as a rectangular figure resembling a swastika (sans the wing-dings).

    To wit:

    “Several days ago the Polish Episcopate declared anti-Semitism a sin, winning strong praise from the country’s chief rabbi.

    [‘Episcopate’ signifies someone in the Polish bishop’s office, not the pope

    According to Radio Poland, the local branch of the Church

    [not the Vatican]

    issued a pastoral letter

    [not a papal decree, i.e. statement ex cathedra — from the Chair of Peter]

    asserting that “anti-Semitism and anti-Judaism are sins against the love of thy neighbor

    [Christians / Catholics believe that all are our “neighbors;” no particularities, no exclusions]

    Jerusalem Post https://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Jews-Catholics-celebrate-50th-anniversary-of-Nostra-Aetate-430321

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  103. @SolontoCroesus

    “Sadly, anti-Semitic attitudes are also present in our own times,” Pope Francis told his audience.

    “As I have often repeated, a Christian cannot be an anti-Semite; we share the same roots. It would be a contradiction of faith and life,” he said. “Rather, we are called to commit ourselves to ensure anti-Semitism is banned from the human community.”

    The pope emphasized the importance of friendship between Jews and Catholics, saying “we are called to promote and to expand interreligious dialogue for the sake of humanity.”

    “I ask the Almighty to bless our journey of friendship and trust, so that we can dwell always in peace and be, wherever we find ourselves, artisans and builders of peace.”

    National Catholic Reporter.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  104. @Fran Taubman

    Did you forget to include in your clip of what Pope Francis said about antisemitism the part where:

    “The pope has declared that Jew hatred is a sin against god. What do you think of that SC?
    A sin against god.”

    Or is that just something you pulled out of thin air?

    If the pope said, “Jew hatred is a sin against god . . . a sin against god,” then show it.

    Or concede that you were wrong. Just as you were wrong about Marx’s neckwear.

    Catholics learn Two Great Commandments:

    Thou shalt love the lord thy god . . . that is, having to do with the divine.
    Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself . . . that is, having to do with all other humans.

    Your quote says that Francis said,

    “we are called to commit ourselves to ensure anti-Semitism is banned from the human community.”

    Francis said Human, not god, not divine.

    Moreover, nowhere that I am aware of did Pope Francis abrogate the commandment against bearing false witness.
    He didn’t say “we are called to commit ourselves to believing every lie and distortion of reality Jews foist upon us, especially when those lies result in the death and emiseration of millions upon millions,” as Jewish lies have done, over and over again.

    The lying is what is hateful, because it deliberately distorts reality: god endowed humans with senses to perceive and interpret the natural world. Jews insist that the emanations of their own minds are superior to god’s created world, not only a lie but a blasphemy.

    Marx is not wearing a cross.

    • Agree: Fuerchtegott
    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  105. SteveK9 says:

    Know of Wald from my days studying Bayesian Probability Theory.

    Here is a better solution …

    Hydroxychloroquine is a cure for Covid-19 – Professor Dr. Didier Raoult, Marseille, France

    Machine Translation into English

    http://thesaker.is/interview-with-professor-didier-raoult-in-the-parisien-newspaper-22-march-2020/

    Original Interview in French

    https://www.upr.fr/actualite/pour-comprendre-les-enjeux-du-traitement-du-coronavirus-par-la-chloroquine-nous-vous-conseillons-de-lire-lentretien-du-professeur-raoult-dans-le-parisien-du-22-mars-2020/

  106. @SolontoCroesus

    I did see a quote directly from the Pope in quotation marks I cannot find it.
    I was incorrect about Marx someone told me that.
    Got the bullshit you lie more then anyone on this site. Horrible lies.
    When are you going to admit that Paul Tibbets was not a Jew?
    A flat out lie.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  107. @Fran Taubman

    Yer cute when yer angry.

    Not so much when you act out like a rabid dog foaming at the mouth.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  108. @Fran Taubman

    One of the most potent weapons Ron Unz created was the archive.
    Three or five or N years from now when people like Fran Taubman and those she purports to defend attempt to dodge culpability for epic failures in American life, it will be possible to point, for example, to Fran’s own words to demonstrate that she proposed actions that were detrimental, and that inasmuch as Fran stated that her agenda was to defend Jews (and Israel), that it is appropriate to consider her actions as representative of at least some significant segment of the Jewish community.

    In this video, a George Mason University professor of economics argues that
    The FDA and CDC’s Coronavirus Response Is a ‘Failure of Historic Proportions’

    His closing remarks are that the failure of these taxpayer-supported organizations are so outrageous because they failed to perform exactly the first duty of what governments are supposed to do — protect the public. They took taxpayer money but they failed to provide fair value for it.

    As noted earlier, Anne Schuchet was acclaimed in Hadassah magazine as “the public face of CDC.” Schuchet’s boss is also Jewish.

    Schuchet made at least three public statements dismissing or minimizing the threat of the Corona virus.

    Fran Taubman said, “Forget Anne Schuchet. Use Google.”
    There is a cost to your smart-assitude, Fran Taubman, and it’s time you paid it.
    The same goes for Anne Schuchet.

    Schuchet got her moments in the national spotlight, and her fellow Jews heaped praise on her, but she failed the American people.

    To what extent was her presence in her post one of tribal favoritism?
    Will she be called to account for her failure to perform?
    Isn’t it time the American people knocked Jewish prima donnas and their princes off the thrones that they occupy not necessarily by merit but by bullying and whinging?

    Anne Schuchet’s failure offers one (more) example of how Jewish supremacism and self-worship has caused grievous and long-lasting harm to the American people.

    • Replies: @Fuerchtegott
  109. @SolontoCroesus

    The American and British people in their ever lasting niceness shared and projected their failure.
    That shouldn’t be forgotten either.

    There’s a lot of reason for WASP guilt, just not towards the people jews told you to feel towards.

    • Agree: SolontoCroesus
  110. @Iris

    Yes Iris this is a total tragedy. Tx for thinking about me in that context. keep safe G

    • Replies: @Fuerchtegott
  111. @Fran Taubman

    Is it true,,, is it all personal for me? pretty much the opposite, for me it is all about the cultural and ID political symptom… the particular subject is shaped, molded by abstract factors which I elaborate on.

  112. Pete Ross says:

    The usual NATO nazis.

  113. @Gilad Atzmon

    Did we find a translation for Marx already?
    Or do we just jew over the unpleasant parts?
    Mr “Jesus” Atzmon?

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