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For years Eco-Enthusiasts, both activists and scientists, have been telling us that the ‘party’ will come to an end. The planet we are stuck on can’t take it for much longer, it is getting too crowded and unbearably warm. Most people didn’t take any real notice of the situation and for a reason. This planet, we tend to think, isn’t really ‘ours,’ we were thrown onto it and for a limited time. Once we grasp the true meaning of our temporality, we begin to acknowledge our terminality. ‘Being in the world’ as such is often the attempt to make our ‘life-time’ into a meaningful event.

Most of us who haven’t been overly concerned with the ecological activists and their plans to slow us down knew that as long as Big Money runs the world, nothing of a dramatic nature would really happen. In the eyes of Big Money, we tended to think, we, the people, are mere consumers. We understood ourselves as the means that make the rich richer.

Rather unexpectedly, life has undergone a dramatic change. In the present age of Corona, Big Money ‘let’ the world lock itself down. Economies have been sentenced to imminent death. Our significance as consumers somehow evaporated. The emerging alliance we have been detecting between the new leaders of the world economy (knowledge companies) and those who carry the flag of ‘progress’ ‘justice’ and ‘equality’ has evolved into an authoritarian dystopian condition in which robots and algorithms police our speech and elementary freedoms.

ORDER IT NOW

How is it that the Left, that had been devoted to opposition to the rich, has so changed its tune? In fact, nothing has happened suddenly. The Left and the Progressive universe have, for some time, been sustained financially by the rich. The Guardian is an illustrative case of the above. Once a left -leaning paper with a progressive orientation, the Guardian is now openly funded by Bill & Melinda Gates. It shamelessly operates as a mouthpiece for George Soros: it even allowed Soros to disseminate his apocalyptic pre-Brexit view at the time he himself gambled on Brits’ anti- Brexit vote. By now it is close to impossible to regard the Guardian as a news outlet – a propaganda outlet for the rich is a more suitable description. But the Guardian is far from alone. Our networks of progressive activists fall into the same trap. Not many of us were surprised to see Momentum, Jeremy Corbyn’s campaign support group within the Labour Party, rallying for the ‘Holocaust Survivor’ and ‘philanthropist’ George Soros. When Corbyn led the Labour Party, I learned to accept that ‘socialists’ putting themselves on the line of fire defending oligarchs, bankers and Wall Street brokers must be the new ‘Left’ reality. We are now inured to the fact that in the name of ‘progress’ Google has demoted itself from a great search engine into a hasbara outlet. We are accustomed to Facebook and Twitter dictating their worldview in the name of community standards. The only question is what community they have in mind. Certainty not a tolerant and pluralist western one.

One may wonder what drives this new alliance that divides nearly every Western society? The left’s betrayal is hardly a surprise, yet, the crucial question is why, and out of the blue, did those who had been so successful in locating their filthy hands in our pockets go along with the current destruction of the economy? Surely, suicidal they aren’t.

It occurs to me that what we may be seeing is a controlled demolition all over again. This time it isn’t a building in NYC. It isn’t the destruction of a single industry or even a single class as we have seen before. This time, our understanding of Being as a productive and meaningful adventure is embattled. As things stand, our entire sense of livelihood is at risk.

It doesn’t take a financial expert to realise that in the last few years the world economy in general and western economies in particular have become a fat bubble ready to burst. When economic bubbles burst the outcome is unexpected even though often the culprit or trigger for the crash can be identified. What is unique in the current controlled demolition is the willingness of our compromised political class, the media and in particular Left/Progressive networks to participate in the destruction.

The alliance is wide and inclusive. The WHO, greatly funded by Bill Gates, sets the measures by which we are locked down, the Left and the Progressives fuel the apocalyptic phantasies to keep us hiding in our global attics, Dershowitz tries to rewrite the constitution , big Pharma’s agenda shapes our future and we also hear that Moderna and its leading Israeli doctor is ready to “fix” our genes. Meanwhile we learn that our governments are gearing up to stick a needle in our arms. Throughout this time, the Dow Jones has continued to rise. Maybe in this final stage of capitalism, we the people aren’t needed even as consumers. We can be left to rot at home, our governments seemingly willing to fund this new form of detention.

I believe that it was me who ten years ago coined the popular adage “We Are all Palestinians” – like the Palestinians, I thought at the time, we aren’t even allowed to name our oppressor…

(Republished from Gilad Atzmon by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. We understood ourselves as the means that make the rich richer.

    Then came the latest wisdom: “Money makes money.” They have come to believe their own lies, and those lies are being subsidised by our taxes. The moment when “everything” will belong to One Account seems to be upon us. I expect foreclosures and bankruptcies amongst the non-investing classes. All shortfalls to be augmented by tax money. Next, we await Zion unveiling our new King. Once again, not one atom of deviation from the plan as laid out in the Protocols. it is of utter importance that we do not turn upon another. In that sense, I suggest more of Unz’s readers start looking at Black people as possible comrades in this engagement, we are confronted by a common enemy, the one that taught us the “value” of racism in the first place. They have divided us, now they will conquer.
    Or we can just stand together. If we refuse to fight, it will be us against Bill Gates’ robots, and his microcephalic pilots are still too young to be drafted. This is, however, our last chance, I be thinking.
    Been wondering some years now, why ‘retailing’ is such a popular investment, when nobody has no money left to buy stuff with. Now we know.

    • Replies: @jack daniels
    , @Jett Rucker
  2. Gilad, these are some thoughts I jotted down a few weeks ago.

    This whole crisis is all about recapitalization or restructuring the debt. The Fed is bailing out the creditors (Big Surprise!) and forcing corporate America through bankruptcy. The Virus is being used as a pretext for forcing the economy into a kind of controlled depression (demolition) and debt restructuring. The Virus and China are being used as the fall guys for the collapse. In 2008-09 the Banks and WS were bailed out and not forced into bankruptcy. The Fed then reinflated and drove up asset prices along with more than doubling the debt from levels that were already overextended. In The Great Restructuring that’s taking place now, the Money Boys are basically transferring the income and assets of Main Street to the Creditors as they deflate the debt and bail themselves out. The whole scam could more accurately be called “The Great Heist” or the Money Power’s perverted or mammonic version of a Debt Jubilee.

    • Replies: @Miro23
    , @animalogic
  3. Anon[269] • Disclaimer says:

    Gilad, sometimes you say there are no Jewish conspiracies – “It is all done out in the open”. But while much may be done out in the open, that doesn’t mean everything is.

    I once heard you say Jews couldn’t have been involved in 9/11 because they gossip too much and couldn’t have kept it secret. I thought maybe this was a joke, but it was the only time I have seen you talk about who was or was not behind 9/11.

    Have you ever fully explained your opinion on 9/11 anywhere, and has it evolved over time?

    • Agree: Tony Hall
    • Replies: @Gilad Atzmon
  4. anon[304] • Disclaimer says:

    A very apposite analogy! The WTC was a white elephant from the outset. So they nuked it. For every human being in the world the US government is a white elephant too, way more trouble than it’s worth. But it might be kind of touchy to just come out and nuke it, so presumably the kleptocrats didn’t want to be so obvious this time.

    At this point COVID-19 is .4 Hiroshimas and counting, and that was more than enough to knock Japan over. It’s a Chernobyl-and-a-half at least, and that got rid of the whole USSR (under limit no-threshold assumptions – hell, maybe it’s 10 Chernobyls!)

    If the US kleptocracy collapses we’ll all say, with Madelyn Albright, It was worth it! But you could do it more humanely by just nuking Langley. (On the other hand, the manifest crime against humanity of Deepwater Horizon didn’t topple this regime, so it’s probably going to take a lot.)

  5. UK says:

    Encourage people to believe whatever nonsense you want and blame the economic shutdown on a plan rather than a panic – one the UK government tried to resist and then, for understandable political reasons, gave into.

    But please don’t imply that people shouldn’t get vaccinated. That is malign. Creating a vaccine takes hundreds of scientists. And it is probably reviewed in some way by thousands. Almost all of them would have gone into the life sciences in part because they are pretty compassionate. They would not stay quiet if they were releasing something bad, not thousands of them. Think about it…

  6. Svevlad says:

    It’s egotism and stupidity

    They started to believe their own lies (as the old farts die off and their kids take over) and they genuinely think they’ll be treated like gods instead of being guillotined and possibly eaten too

  7. @paranoid goy

    I have always thought that blacks were natural allies or at least not enemies. They are weaponized by the oligarchs via bloc voting, but there are opportunities to break out of this pattern.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  8. Miro23 says:
    @MrFoSquare

    The Virus and China are being used as the fall guys for the collapse. In 2008-09 the Banks and WS were bailed out and not forced into bankruptcy. The Fed then reinflated and drove up asset prices along with more than doubling the debt from levels that were already overextended.

    The boom – bust QE cycle is a good way to transfer wealth from Main St. to Wall St. (Wall St. collects the profits and Main St. pays for bailouts). However, the endgame (and most profitable part of all) works differently:

    A final QE (Corona virus QE 4?) tips over the US dollar. The $ trillions free money is used as loans to buy up prime US assets. When they’re all bought, a quick hyperinflation turns the dollar into what the Weimar Germans called “confetti money”, which they then use to legally repay the loans (i.e. they get the property free).

    An added bonus is that dollar debt of every kind is also wiped out – government debt, corporate debt, student loans, credit card debt, mortgages – and of course pensions, savings and fixed incomes.

    What’s left of the Anglo middle class is destitute and has to liquidate their property at any price to survive, while the bankers/traders become owners (for free) of the best US assets.

    The basic contradiction, is that a debt ridden country like the US can engage in massive QE’s debt abuse while simultaneously proclaiming the quality and reliability of the US dollar as the world’s reserve currency.

  9. Simply a fantastic and I believe dead nuts article regarding what is really going on and the fact that this “plandemic” has absolutely nothing to do with saving lives! You have a new fan here sir!

  10. @UK

    The polio vaccine caused more deaths than the real thing. The flu vaccine has, at best, a 20% efficacy rate. Kids who have been vaccinated against measles, still get it. Vaccines are a boon to Big Pharma. Those who speak out about the problems with vaccines, like Andre Wakefield and Judy Mikovits are immediately “discredited”.
    The best “vaccine” you can have is a healthy, properly functioning immune system.

  11. @UK

    But please don’t imply that people shouldn’t get vaccinated. That is malign.

    It is not malign. It is reasonable. There’s not much evidence that vaccines do good and plenty of evidence that they do harm. Both in the US and the UK, citizens are prevented by statute from pursuing claims for personal injury damages against vaccine companies. In both countries, vaccine damages are awarded on a statutory basis by the government and are limited. In the UK to £120,000.

    The British government website even states that the restriction on lawsuits was introduced because of the number of claims for vaccine injury. That suggests not a huge number of spurious claims from irresponsible members of the public – because transnational corporations have the money to fight such claims – but a real danger which is hidden by the mob mentality of vaccines good, anti-vaxxers bad, promoted by the industry’s whores in the mainstream media.

  12. Gilad,
    I agree with your assessment of the “controlled demolition”, but I would argue that it started in the 1960s. Congress passed, and Johnson signed, a bill ending the “gold cover”. https://nationalinterest.org/feature/who-really-killed-the-gold-standard-12435
    The result was the end of the gold standard, which led to high interest rates aided by the fake “oil shortage” engineered by those controlling interest rates. The high interest rates began the process of off-shoring manufacturing, which meant more liberal GATT agreements and “Free Trade”, which has killed “the West” [or is it (((the West)))?] and allowed Asia to dominate in manufacturing.
    All of that is controlled demolition. The 9/11 wonder of the 19 Arabs suspending the laws of physics, was a distraction for wealth transfer, just as Covid19 is.
    We have psychopaths running the governments of the world. Those who are less psychopathic have moments of sanity, where they try to buck the narrative, but are quickly shut down. Any “revolution” against the current psychopaths will lead to different psychopaths seizing control. People that seize control do not relinquish it willingly. We are truly in a situation of the devil you know or the devil you don’t.

  13. Controlled demolition? Of the criminal psycho elites, maybe… They’ve been screwing it up for thousands of years and they’ll screw it up again. AI enhanced, eh? Well how’d that work out for the “gods” back in 2350 BC? Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!

  14. You are wrong. The virus is real. They had to lockdown or too many people would die. No choice. Right now, the rich are agitating for “opening up.” They can’t afford, they think, for their incredibly large tranches of loot not having a full-filled olympic-sized pool to slosh around in. In other words, the ultra-rich did not approve of this. They acquiesced for a few moments because they had to. Now they want us out there and dying. Like Alabama.

    • Agree: animalogic
  15. @Anon

    I guess that everything we see in the age of corona supports my statements re the openness of the Jewish operation …Dershowitz didn’t really try to hide his views .. Israel doesn’t hide its vaccine enthusiasm, Moderna leading scientist (an Israeli) is not concealing his plans to fix your genes… I can fill 10 pages with such anecdotes… sorry to deliver the news.. they don’t conspire behind the scene ,, they do it all in front of your eyes but they mk sure you won’t dare talking about it… re 9/11, I think that this is my last piece on the topic https://gilad.online/writings/2018/1/2/kosherising-the-911-truth-movement Being interested in J ID Politics it is the J impact on the discourse which I try to cover…

  16. Kali says:
    @UK

    You may not be aware of the nature of the particular nature of the rna vaccine that is being pushed through at breakneck speed, foregoing full safty testing; that this proposed coronavirus vaccine will literally alter the genetic expression of the individual, inserting rna code into the recipient’s natural rna. Absent thorough safty testing!
    This on top of the great harms already done to countless people around the world by “traditional vaccines – Bill Gates favourite means of reducing the human population of the planet.

    But please don’t imply that people shouldn’t get vaccinated. That is malign.

    Any malignancy lies in pushing such a vaccine on an unsuspecting adhd’d public by rhetoric, propaganda, threat and force. Or even by ignorant repetition of the “vaccines good, anti-vaxers bad” spiel propagated by the (corporate) establishment and it’s mouthpieces in governments and media.

    I would caution anyone, do not rush blindly in that direction! Certainly I will not be accepting any offer of vaccination. Which will basically make me an “untouchable”/ outcast of the “economy stupid”, which in turn is just fine by me. Was it luck or good judgement or Divine guidance that brought me to a life outside of that system, where my ability to put food on the table is more or less assured?

    I hear, just moments ago, that China is experiencing a new outbreak (real or fictional or 5g induced?) And is locking down it’s people again. I’ve yet to confirm the news, but this insane responce to an environmental pathogen is set to kill a great many people, traumatise our children and young ones (our future) and permanently change everything about the way societies are structured and ordered.

    This “crisis” has remarkably little to do with a coronavirus, and a great deal to do with a deliberate collapse of the current social/economic order, as Gilad suggests. An untested rna editing vaccine will only add to the godlike powers of the billionaire globalist Plutocrats at our expence. Your confidence in their bought and paid for scientists and politicians notwithstanding.

    Kali

    • Replies: @UK
  17. @obwandiyag

    Now they want us out there and dying. Like Alabama.

    Lockdowns are having not stopping the spread of the virus but they are destroying the economy.

    And it’s not the rich who benefit more from the opening up of the economy. It’s all those poorer folk on minimum wage and in relatively low paying jobs who can’t pay their bills.

    If you have no money, how can you pay for essentials like food? Or are you in a well-paid public sector job and so able to advise the less well off and the hungry to go eat cake?

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Druid
  18. Anon[913] • Disclaimer says:

    How is it that the Left, that had been devoted to opposition to the rich, has so changed its tune?

    Well, “Capitalism” got smarter, and found out that if you lavishly fund them and pay them, both in money and in social rank, the opposition is quick to turn into “opposition”.
    Couple this with the fact that due to technological progress it has become easy to make it affordable for everyone to fill their stomachs with food (though of course it’s synthetic and health-damaging — but no-one informs the eaters about that, they themselves have a strong will to not be informed about what they are eating, and consequences are in-the-long-run enough to be either genuinely not noticed or wilfully repressed).

    The top-tier of the “rebels” only want to share in the loot. The other tiers live quiet and rather contentend once their stomachs are filled, and their Facebook feed doesn’t stop pushing psychological junk into their attention. All problems have been solved, all are happy, starting with “Capitalism”, who’s found out that you want to be the top-tier of the once-rebels on your side, given how they tend to be the best word mongers around in “journalism” and “academia”, and how word-mongering is essential in deceiving people.

    • Replies: @nietzsche1510
  19. UK says:
    @Kali

    That “vaccine” is more Theranos than “Thanos” (Avengers.)

    It is a novel and potentially revolutionary idea that has been very well promoted by the company producing it.

    The reason for that PR was to raise money to actually make the thing work, because it doesn’t really yet and the reports were PR manipulated to be overblown.

    My feeling is that hidden cabals who secretly control the world don’t need to rely on borderline fraudulent salesmanship of the type used to sell timeshares
    in order to raise the relatively small sums of money required to test their products…

    In other words, you seem to be confusing a common type of corporate PR stunt for anything important. And the organisation that needs to engage in such PR stunts as somehow important itself.

    • Agree: Kratoklastes
  20. Maybe in this final stage of capitalism, we the people aren’t needed even as consumers. We can be left to rot at home, our governments seemingly willing to fund this new form of detention.

    Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! You are correct, sir. For years the eco-terrorists have been tossing around 500 million as a sustainable population for Mother Gaia. The other 7.5 billion are useless eaters, planetary pests so to say.

    Welcome to the Roach Hotel®.

  21. Mahmoud says:

    Gaza is getting bigger.

    • Agree: Kratoklastes
    • Thanks: jsinton, St-Germain
    • Replies: @jsinton
  22. Getaclue says:
    @UK

    I wasn’t sure if you were maybe joking? No one could seriously write such utter bs….Tell it to these children why don’t you?: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2908963/Judges-demand-answers-children-die-controversial-cancer-vaccine-trial-India.html

    Gates and Big Pharma have basically/literally bought off everyone — Medicine, Government, Media, CDC, WHO etc. — you cannot believe anything as to “safety” from bought out “Experts”– Gates literally tried to bribe Nigeria with $10 Million to force vaccinations (there was a sterilization Agent in his vaccine for TB that sterilized thousands elewhere in Africa also– a “mistake”, LOL how does that happen–tell me?…): https://greatgameindia.com/bill-gates-offered-10-million-bribe-for-forced-vaccination-in-nigeria/?fbclid=IwAR02Gdn4HRhB96R4MUxUwp8GmhlleAPoUXAPic7-Sn9noO5iLtHFK2N9V-Q

    Listen as to calls for Bill “depopulation” Gates arrest in the Italian Parliament, not covered in the USA Mainslime Media of course, for what he has done (he has NO credentials for what he is doing, the whole thing would be laughable if every “Expert” wasn’t bought off….): https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/05/italian-politician-demands-bill-gates-arrested-crimes-humanity-parliament-floor/?fbclid=IwAR1L12VNwLpzdu93KYDqJCkGGCnk5_WJBMzKuejthSAUvRO6-5Vj1kPf_9Y

    Half of Gates Foundation is a Family Trust — the other half feeds it with investments etc. — literally he has doubled his wealth since he started “Giving”….

    • Replies: @animalogic
  23. Under a microscope, the coronavirus looks a lot like a blank check for the ruling class.

    • Agree: Jett Rucker, VinnyVette
    • Thanks: jsinton
  24. jsinton says:
    @Mahmoud

    You’re right. We’re all Gazans now.

    • Agree: Jett Rucker
  25. Jett Rucker says: • Website
    @paranoid goy

    Disclose what color you are.

    Or did you think we could just tell?

    OK – we won’t even know after you tell us. We realize that.

    • Replies: @paranoid goy
  26. Wally says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    said:
    ” they do it all in front of your eyes but they mk sure you won’t dare talking about it:

    And if you dare to talk about it it’s jail time, persecution, physical assaults galore.

    Below is where free speech on the truly impossible “holocaust” storyline is illegal, violators go to prison for Thought Crimes.
    Obvious admissions that the storyline doesn’t stand up to scientific, logical, & rational scrutiny.
    http://theday.co.uk/images/stories/2016/2016-12/2016-12-15_holocaust.png

    – Revisionist Historian, Dr. Robert Faurisson, Suffers Savage Beating:
    https://codoh.com/library/document/300/?lang=en

  27. TG says:

    Certainly what is going on now is utterly bizarre and corrupt and really we are in la la land.

    But one angle I think, is that we are starting to change to a command economy. There really isn’t a market anymore, not as it used to be understood. The government decrees that something be done, and it is – though ineffectively, and with increasingly incomprehensible sums allocated but only to justify it after the fact. The elites are simply in charge, they suffer no consequences for bad decisions, but their decisions are law. The stock market is some sort of keeper of value or power for the elites, but no longer has any link to the real economy and has nothing to do with effectively allocating investments or evaluating risk. Real journalism no longer exists, at least not on a mass scale.

    Our society is becoming like the old Soviet Union, but without even the fiction of caring about the public interest.

    • Agree: animalogic, St-Germain
    • Replies: @Quinsat
    , @Twodees Partain
  28. Whatever is behind the lock down orders and other infringements on normalcy, you can be absolutely certain it is not being done to protect the population.

    Is there a single large scale action the government has taken over the course of your life that has improved or protected the lives of the American people? Anything at all? Well they didn’t start caring about you in March of 2020 either.

    • Agree: Robert Dolan
  29. “In the present age of Corona, Big Money ‘let’ the world lock itself down. Economies have been sentenced to imminent death. Our significance as consumers somehow evaporated.”
    No, no, no: our significance is not as consumers; our significance is as spenders. Money passes through us, having been “created” by Big Money and returning to Big Money who invest it into increasing their control over how this or that society operates.
    There is a confidence trick hidden in that brief description.
    It is not Big Money which creates money. No, Big Money tricks the borrower to create the money which s/he believes s/he has borrowed from Big Money. The trick occurs at the instant the borrower signs an agreement to repay the “borrowed” money plus compounding interest. Essentially the borrower signs up to work as a bonded laborer until the compounding debt is fully repaid.
    So what’s the big deal about the lockdown?
    In the blink of an eye Gilad asserts that “the new leaders of the world economy” are “knowledge companies”, but then, in another blink, asserts that “The Left and the Progressive universe have, for some time, been sustained financially by the rich.” And this is exemplified by the funding of The Guardian by Bill and Melinda Gates.
    Who and what is William Gates? Clearly he is a rich man. He also acts as a “new leader” which would seem to indicate that he is a “knowledge” man or ‘technocrat’. But above all, William is a passionate ‘philanthropist’ dedicated to serving the well-being of ordinary people everywhere on Earth. Wow! What a man! Too good to be true?
    So William is a rich man and a knowledge man and a passionate philanthropist. That’s one hell of a trinity.
    It would seem that the basis of his extreme wealth-and-power [richness] was his purchase of knowledge [DR-DOS, etc] from one or more other knowledge men. So it would seem the real basis of his extreme wealth-and-power was his pre-existing wealth-and-power which was merely extraordinary rather than extreme; but sufficient to buy appropriate knowledge at an opportune time.
    But William still presents as a knowledge man, now primarily with regard to the health of ordinary humans everywhere. His genuineness as a philanthropist would stand or fall according to the genuineness of his knowledge about human health. He asserts that a vaccination of every person in the world against Corona is an absolute necessity, and he is investing heavily towards that end. Is there no end to this rich and knowledgable man’s philanthropy?
    I, for one, am grateful to Gilad for questioning the bona fides of the rich man, knowledge man and philanthropist, William Gates.
    Gilad also mentioned “the ‘Holocaust Survivor’ and ‘philanthropist’ George Soros.”
    Perhaps George’s bona fides can also be looked at and questioned.

    • Thanks: Gilad Atzmon
  30. Tony Hall says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    Gilad, I used your link to check out your most recent references to 9/11 written in 2018. My attention was drawn to the following:

    I do not contribute to the discourse involving controlled demolitions and airplanes flying into buildings. Engineering, construction and flying are not within my field of research. Though I am aware of many of the details to do with the 9/11 truth movement, I can’t make any original scholarly contributions in this arena.

    That’s weak Gilad…. even disingenuous. I’ve heard Naomi Klein offer up the same explanation. There are many issues involving 9/11 that are geopolitical, historical, sociological, theological, political, and on and on and on. You deploy these social science perspectives in your interdisciplinary work all the time Gilad.

    The result of your self-censorship on the broader role of 9/11 in the genesis of the twenty-first century is that the overall luminosity of your analysis is much less sparkling than it could be. You could contribute so much more if you stopped tiptoeing around the many-faceted implications of 9/11 on almost every aspect of our contemporary lives and societies.

    To say the issues swirling around the lies and crimes of 9/11 are exclusively about engineering, construction, controlled demolitions and airplanes flying into buildings is a gross misrepresentation of the broader array of issues at play. Its time that some folks who know and understand Israel from inside help us out by sharing some insights about the world of elite Jewish families in the run up to 9/11…. say in the interval between the Netanyahu family’s 1979 Jerusalem Conference on International Terrorism and September 11, 2001.

    As you explained to Christopher Bollyn, one of your own Atzmon relatives was involved as a high ranking official in the Israeli security firm in charge of Logan International Airport in Boston on the day. Elias Davidsson and David Ray Griffin have come to the conclusion that no hijackers went through airport security on 9/11… indeed that there were, in fact, no hijackers at all involved in the 9/11 debacle.

    Gilad, you point to the “9/11 Truther” Elias Davidsson who insists that 9/11 was an “inside job” totally inside the US government but not inside certain factions within the Zio-American establishment spanning both Israel and the United States. Laurent Guyenot has written at some length on the “inside job” thesis as a plan B to point attention away from Israel towards the Alex Jonesian view of who did and didn’t do 9/11.

    Elias argues in a space assigned him in Wikispooks that it would be anti-Semitic to suggest that Larry Silverstein should have been rounded up and taken in for questioning after 9/11. Significantly Elias also downplays the “dancing Israelis” working for the Mossad front company, Dominik Suter’s Urban Moving Systems.

    Are you aware, Gilad, that Dershowitz represented the Israeli spies in negotiations with the White House to get them back to Israel after spending a few months under investigation in an American jail. The idea was to get the apprehended Israeli suspects in the 9/11 crime case back to their home country so that the prisons would have more room for Arab and Muslim pseudo-suspects. Clearly Israeli suspects weren’t supposed to be highlighted as part of the 9/11 script. The subject of Dershowitz as one of the fixers who helped smooth over the Israeli spying scandal of that era should be on your radar Gilad. Here is one of a multitude of relevant 9/11 subjects that has little to do with engineering, construction, planes flying into buildings etc.

    Of course the “dancing Israelis” were a small part of a large contingent composed of hundreds of Israeli spies in the USA during the time of 9/11. During the immediate post-9/11 period Carl Cameron famously did a series of Fox News reports looking at the activities of Israeli spies as well as at US government responses to the espionage. As Philip Giraldi, James Petras and many others have well demonstrated, Israeli espionage on the USA has pretty much remained a constant feature of US-Israeli interaction to the present day.

    Some of these Israeli spies were involved in setting up the US phone system to make it accessible to Israeli intelligence. One spicy outcome of this Israeli intervention into US telecommunications is that Israeli intelligence officials were able to listen in on the White House exchanges between Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky.

    The cover of many Israeli spies was that of art students selling their wares by visiting the homes of many US officials. Some of the spies were said to be watching the supposed Muslim culprits in the flight schools of the Hollywood Florida area. The official story is that these Israel spies were watching the supposed Muslim culprits before 9/11 getting ready for 9/11 drill gone live. Some of those picked up and questioned by US authorities before and after 9/11 were outright military officers involved in the explosives and intelligence divisions of the IDF.

    All of your analysis of the twenty-first century, Gilad, is made much less accurate and insightful than it could be if you were simply to come clean on the subject of 9/11. I believe one of the considerations preventing you from dealing with the forbidden subject is your trepidation that you might not be able to get on a plane to travel to your next jazz gig. Gilad, you have lots of experience as I do that brings home the reality that there can be harsh consequences for breaking through the fantasies foisted on us as fact by the Israel Lobby. If we hold back from breaking through the Iron Curtain of fake 9/11 interpretation, who will?

    Another important and frequent contributor to the Unz Review, Pepe Escobar, has pretty much limited himself in the way you do too Gilad. Pepe probably would have trouble keeping his job at Asia Times if he was to incorporate all that he knows about 9/11 in his analysis. Pepe was in Afghanistan during the 9/11 period interviewing, among others, the leader of the Northern Alliance, Ahmed Shah Masood, just before he was assassinated. Pepe thus had rather special vantage point on the whole 9/11 psy op. As excellent as so much of Pepe’s prolific investigative journalism is, it could be much better yet if he was to throw off the chains holding him back from 9/11 candor.

    You, Gilad, as well as Pepe get much closer to the mark than say Chris Hedges or Max Blumenthal who steer around 9/11 ostentatiously to keep their niches on the edge of mainstream.

    One of the implications of those that know about 9/11 but choose not to be publicly articulate about the subject is that those of us who will talk about it are made to be much more isolated and endangered than we should be now almost two decades after the event. As I see it, our current dilemmas have been rendered more intense by the failure of most public intellectuals to bring forward some of the main conclusions to be drawn from the core body of genuine evidence-based research on 9/11.

    In other words, those who chose to play it safe by self-censoring on 9/11 bear some of the responsibility for the transition from the Global War on Terror to a Global War on Disease and “Anti-Vaxxers.” Where invasions of Muslim-majority countries were offered up as one of the “solutions” to the engineered jihadism put on public display on 9/11, the redemption now being put before us is said to reside in lockdowns, social distancing, compulsory vaccinations, economic resets, submission to AI, and yes, controlled demolition of some of our most cherished civilizational inheritances.

    It seems to me we should not take lightly the chance we have all been given here at Unz Review to address as honestly as we can the most difficult and often censored issues of our times. Here we are able to do so without too much harassment, slander and smear of the Fran Taubman variety.

    For the majority of writers, readers, and commentators who gather in this up-to-now protected literary zone (although now less protected after Facebook made its move) the need for a much more evidence-based narrative on 9/11 is more or less taken for granted here. So I’d humbly suggest the few 9/11 holdouts among us get with the program and move away from a limited hangout approach on 9/11 and other related subjects.

  31. Anonymous[253] • Disclaimer says:
    @jack daniels

    I have always thought that blacks were natural allies or at least not enemies.

    Defeated people tend to think dumb things.

    but there are opportunities to break out of this pattern.

    No, there aren’t. They’ve already made the decision to exterminate us. They’ve surmised you aren’t going to do anything about it. Who needs you since you’ve already made it clear you’re going to acquiesce?

  32. @Tony Hall

    Not related to what you wrote, only the length, would sub-article article writers please use the ‘Insert MORE Tag’ button?

  33. @Tony Hall

    Sorry for not providing the good Tony… 911 is not my topic. One of the reasons I left academia 25 years ago was because I work, research, delve into what I feel like not what you or anyone else think I ‘should’! My interest in 9/11 as such is limited to Israeli or Jewish attempt to control or divert the discourse away from Israel and its possible involvement.

    You mentioned Christopher Bollyn, as far as my field of interests is concerned, it isn’t what Bollyn says that triggered my attention but the spectrum of bodies that have been working to silence him… once again, I am working on one topic namely, the matrix of Jewish power.

    As things stand, I write more than most ppl (not all) and cover one of the most problematic hegemonic powers in the history of human kind. Judging by the desperate however relentless attempts to silence me, I guess I must be doing a good job…Please try not to interfere with my work as I don’t interfere with yours or anyone else…Being a successful jazz artist and an educator I tell my followers/students, pick a topic, an instrument , a style, and dig as far as you can… I myself follow the same principle..

  34. devon says:
    @UK

    No one is telling people not get vaccinated. Forcing those who don’t want it is the problem.

  35. Quinsat says:
    @TG

    Correct. In our lifetimes, we will have gone from 4th century AD Rome (bread and circuses; currency debasement) to 20th century Soviet Union (no personal freedoms; state-run economy) to ancient Egypt (0.001% ruling elite; no upper, middle and lower classes; 99.999% slave population).

  36. @Getaclue

    Why – why this constant yammer about a Covid19 vaccine? The odds of there never being a vaccine are fairly good. The odds of there never being a truly effective vaccine are even better.
    So, perhaps for the time being, a “chill pill” is the best vaccine….

  37. Wally says:
    @obwandiyag

    except:

    600 Doctors Warn: Lockdown May Be More Deadly Than Coronavirus!:
    https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/600-doctors-warn-trump-lockdown-may-be-more-deadly-than-coronavirus/

    How Fear, Groupthink Drove Unnecessary Global Lockdowns: https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/how-fear-groupthink-drove-unnecessary-global-lockdowns

    – Two months ago:
    Can’t open until we flatten the curve to save our healthcare system
    – One month ago:
    Can’t open until we have a vaccine
    – A few days ago:
    Can’t open until we have multiple vaccines
    – Yesterday:
    Can’t open until there’s a cure.
    – Today:
    Can only open if Biden wins.

  38. @Tony Hall

    Thanks for this rather telling bit of information:
    “The subject of Dershowitz as one of the fixers who helped smooth over the Israeli spying scandal of that era should be on your radar Gilad.”

  39. @TG

    “The government decrees that something be done, and it is – though ineffectively, and with increasingly incomprehensible sums allocated but only to justify it after the fact. ”

    An observation about how government action is decided upon that was around in the ’90s went something like this:

    “SOMETHING MUST BE DONE!. Here, this is something, therefore, THIS MUST BE DONE!”

    That certainly seems to fit the latest government actions.

  40. Quintus says:

    Great piece, Gilad. Most relevant is Jeff Halper’s book, “War Against the People: Israel, the Palestinians and Global Pacification,” which I read when it came out in 2015:

    https://www.plutobooks.com/9780745334301/war-against-the-people/

    The author correctly predicted the Palestinianization of the world, that Israel would export worldwide its “matrix of control,” its “securocratic state,” a system of checkpoints and totalitarian mass surveillance, with drones and a tailored technocratic industry to oppress the people.

    Knowing that the US police, already at the time, were sent to Israel to train, at taxpayer’s expense, and that the whole DC establishment is ZOG, I was convinced at the time that Halper was a visionary, but thought it would take two to three decades for Israel’s checkpoints and dehumanizing control grid to spread to the USA and make it effectively the USSA.

    But lo and behold, covid-19 comes along, and the Palestianization of the United States is now happening at warp speed, faster than Bill Gates’/Epstein’s vaccines.

    • Agree: Robjil, Digital Samizdat
  41. @animalogic

    Odds of a C19 vaccine: just above nil

    Odds of a C19 “vaccine”: 100:1 for

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Wally
  42. @UK

    Vaccines are malign.
    Vaccines spread disease.
    Vaccines kill.

  43. @Gilad Atzmon

    ‘.. they don’t conspire behind the scene ,, they do it all in front of your eyes but they mk sure you won’t dare talking about it…’

    This is something I’ve noticed. Topics the New York Times et al rigorously block are discussed quite openly in Haaretz and the JTA.

  44. @schnellandine

    ‘Odds of a C19 vaccine: just above nil

    Odds of a C19 “vaccine”: 100:1 for’

    We probably should come up with a ‘vaccine’ — just to shut people up.

    After all, it looks like the disease might peak with maybe a ten percent infection rate. Then of course half of those who ‘catch’ it experience no symptoms at all. For the remainder, for the overwhelming majority, the disease is trivial.

    So we concoct and administer the ‘vaccine.’ For every thousand people:

    For nine hundred, it worked! They never caught the Corona Virus.

    For fifty of the remaining hundred, they caught it, but never knew. And?

    For forty five of the remaining fifty, a minor cold. The sort of thing that might make a hypochondriac buy some Vitamin C the next time they go shopping.

    For four of the remaining five: ‘well, it looks like you got the Covid anyway. It usually takes about week to pass. Call 911 if you experience any of the following…’

    For the remaining one: well, Uncle Ned was about to pass. I guess even with the vaccine, his natural resistance just wasn’t enough…

    For the Coronavirus, this’ll work great. If we ever encounter a real disease, we may have to think of something better.

    • Agree: Curmudgeon
    • Replies: @schnellandine
  45. @obwandiyag

    The virus may be real, but that isn’t the issue. The issue also isn’t whether it is natural, or how it was released. The issue is – how deadly is it? The actual numbers of people dying from the virus are in the range of a bad seasonal flu. The numbers don’t match hype. The high testing areas have shown that while 50% may have contracted the virus, of those, only about 50% were symptomatic. Of the 50% symptomatic, between 80-90% were mildly symptomatic.
    The numbers being cranked out include a huge number of deaths with the virus, and ignore how many people die normally and those dying from underlying medical conditions. It is true that there are several levels of “at risk” groups, but those groups are at risk every flu season.

  46. @Colin Wright

    Never had a flu shot, unless maybe as a kid. Approaching 30 years with no flu. Don’t partake of pharma. Stay fit. Don’t visit doctors. Rarely sick (~3 times a decade), and then usually briefly. Funny how that works.

    Please, Papa Fauci, send a cure! What shall we do without your guiding hand?

  47. Tony Hall says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    I appreciate your measured and civil response Gilad. I am reflecting, however, on your allegation that my response to your essay on controlled demolition represents “interference.” How is it interference for me to have attempted to shed a critical light on one aspect of what you have written? Couldn’t my critical commentary be perceived more as a celebration of the ideas you have introduced rather than an interference in your literary creativeness? Don’t we write in the hope our work will be read and that it will generate commentaries that extend the reach and significance of our published thoughts? Wouldn’t it have been more constructive to respond to something specific I articulated rather than simply asking me politely to back off?

    I don’t think you dealt at all with the main concept I was trying to bring forward. As I see it, the events of 9/11 are not to be understood exclusively as the basis for circumscribed technical research to be handled solely by experts in, say, the melting point of various kinds of steel. The subject of 9/11 is integral to the way our society is presently structured so that the event and all its many derivatives radiate beyond the realm of a narrow specialty. To studiously negotiate around the subject, as you regularly do, is like trying to write on international law while pretending the United Nations hardly exists. Its like trying to consider the role of countries and nationalities while manoeuvring around say the Treaty of Westphalia or the end of the Soviet Union.

    When it comes to 9/11 the fact that a specious interpretation has been allowed to prevail has had monumental consequences. Just one of the many consequences has been to massively empower a small group who pretty much seized control of US foreign policy and much of its domestic politics as well. For this fact alone, 9/11 is a big and many-faceted aspect of the world we live in now. The effect of the event has long since mushroomed way beyond Building 7 and the realm of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth.

    I don’t think its anything like “interference” for me to introduce this perspectives into your musings on “controlled demolition.” Can you please help me to understand?

    • Replies: @Jon Baptist
    , @Fran Taubman
  48. @Gilad Atzmon

    ‘… My interest in 9/11 as such is limited to Israeli or Jewish attempt to control or divert the discourse away from Israel and its possible involvement…’

    I’d be very interested to hear your views on that. My own belief is that Israel was definitely aware of al Qaeda’s intentions and even exact plans — but merely observed and kept maliciously silent.

    No, no controlled demolitions, etc. There really were planes, and they were flown by genuine Muslim terrorists. However…

    • LOL: Iris, Druid
    • Replies: @dimples
  49. @Tony Hall

    It is controlled demolition all over again.
    The left vs. right controlled fighting is completely in play. While people are bickering over “social distancing” and wearing “protective” facemasks, the path to adopting A.I. worldwide has been completely opened by all governments of the world including that Sabbatean-Chabad minion Putin in Russia. But let’s continue the endless banter on COVID fatalities.

    Also the alt media is doing its part.
    Dr. Hall why is Tim Anderson, for example, fully on board in believing the facts about the Pandemic? Why are the CDC, WHO, UN, EU, Fauci, Gates, Ferguson to be believed about anything at all? Anderson is only one of many who seem to trust “official” sources that promote the “killer flu” narrative. How is this any different than believing that jet fuel caused the WTC buildings to collapse?
    https://ahtribune.com/world/covid-19/4181-pandemic-defrocked-hegemonic-neoliberalism.html

    Also, regarding official sources, here are some figures straight from the CDC’s own website.
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html

    Fatality Ratio, overall is 0.4%
    Percent of infections that are asymptomatic is 35%

    As a result the fatality ratio is realistically 0.26%

    The percentage of 0.26% is historically a bad flu season.

    Read Whitney Webb’s articles on what will be implemented after the MSM and many alternative sources, insanely propagandized and terroized the public with the “killer bug.” Who is right there to implement and monitor? Trump’s and Cuomo’s best buddies in Israel.
    https://www.unz.com/author/whitney-webb/
    https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/category/whitney-webb/
    https://www.mintpressnews.com/author/whitney-webb/

    All the experts and “smart people” fell in line with group think and did their part in planting the seed and instilling terror into the global population. While everyone now fears catching a bizarre variant of coronavirus, Trump’s buddies in Israel and their minions in all branches of government will allow for a new authoritarian system to be fully adopted.

    The plan is “Brilliant.” Larry to be precise.


    Here’s another visual for perspective.

    • Agree: Druid
    • Replies: @Tony Hall
  50. Tony Hall says:
    @Jon Baptist

    Thanks Jean Baptiste for asking good questions. I noticed Tim Anderson’s essay on the plandemic this morning on AHT. Although I am Editor in Chief of AHT I do not make all the editorial decisions. We get submissions from left, right, center, and all sort of different places on earth. Prof. Anderson, I believe, is pretty much far left extending into the realm of dialectical materialism. I noticed Marxists in the Occident have been pretty much been missing in action throughout the 9/11 debate and I wouldn’t be surprised to see the pattern repeated as we get deeper into quest for evidence-based interpretations of what is really going on in the plandemic.

    As I see it, full-fledged 9/11 Truthers are in a very good position to deal with the upping of the ante in an event that is currently extending many of the emergency measure scams introduced in September of 2001. The basic template for what we are going through now resides in the lies and crimes of the 9/11 debacle.

    Of course I am aware of the fact that the death statistics so far in 2020 don’t deviate at all from the normal death rates; that the lockdowns with their devastating economic consequences are hugely disproportionate to the inroads of a new coronavirus that seems very contagious but not very lethal at all. Who knows, however, if it turns out that we are entering an era of actual biological warfare with lots of health and other surprises yet to come.

    But for the moment all indications are that we have been duped by a broad alliance of conspirators seeking to trump up fear in order to realize many intertwined objectives. These may include, but are not limited to, covering up a global economic crash that was imminent anyway, chipping us with biodigital interfaces to ease into place AI and 5G (with 6G already well in the works) in an era of robotized everything, and to extend the metaphors of lockdowns and social distancing to keep us terrified, sick, isolated and placid as we are led into the brave new world governed by a council of billionaires aided and abetted by the usual suspects.

    I read all of Whitney’s essays which together represent a very substantial contribution. I must say, however, that Ms. Webb like the guiding lights of the Unz Review tend to give short shrift to the possible dark sides of the Chinese Communist Party in all this. I’m of the view myself that the messed up world of the Fort Detrick biolab and the Wuhan Military Games and the sordid corruption of US vaccine/bioweapon complex as personified by Anthony Fauci and Bill Gates are quite likely all big factors in the genesis of the crisis now upon us. But the Chinese government too or factions within the Chinese government may also have had a significant hand in the conspiracy we are all trying to figure out.

    I noticed early on that once Whitney comes to the conclusion that the CIA or Falun Gong or Radio Free Asia or the Washington Times are smearing the Chinese Communists Party, which they of course do, she simply turns away and thereby effectively gives the Xi camp a pass. I’m trying to be more balanced.

    So I’m a bit unhappy with the simplistic China good, US bad interpretation that tends to prevail here and in Whitney Webb’s circle. Have you seen my initial article in the plandemic, “Who or What Started the Wuhan Coronavirus Epidemic?” Take a look especially at my reflections on the role of a media venue called GreatGameIndia and what transpired with the Winnipeg P 4 Lab and with the Israeli expert on bioweapons, Dr. Dany Shoham.

    The article was published at AHT, Unz Review, Zero Hedge, Infowars and many other places. Ron Unz at first praised it but then changed his mind and criticized it with a emphasis on my effort to deal with some history of the bioweapons program in China. I’ve held back from writing a part 2 to my original 16,000 word essay as the situation changes so dramatically from day to day. Thanks Jon Baptist for advancing the discussion.

    • Thanks: Jon Baptist
  51. karel says:

    @Gilad Atzmon

    I notice that the comment sections of your article has been skewed by delirious crazies who wish nothing else than any vaccine developed against covid-19 will fail. How do they differ from Bill Gates, who in their eyes, wants to kill us all? I guess that they have all good immunity but not against an infection by nonsense.

    • Troll: Twodees Partain
  52. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tsar Nicholas

    The truth is, unemployment, welfare and bogus disability pay much better than working at minimum wage, especially because commuting and parking expenses end due to staying at home.

    The capitalist pig Econ 101 people deplore this. The working poor love it and go on welfare as welfare means more money coming in.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  53. Wally says:
    @schnellandine

    Faker & Hillary supporter Fauci slapped silly again:

    Moderna and the COVID Vaccine Endorsement by Fauci: What Kind of Lunacy?
    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/05/jon-rappoport/moderna-and-the-covid-vaccine-what-kind-of-lunacy/

  54. This planet will [always] have the last laugh. Regardless whether ‘you’ an I are on it… or not…

  55. @animalogic

    The odds of there never being a vaccine are fairly good. The odds of there never being a truly effective vaccine are even better.

    This is what I say to anyone within earshot when fuckwits like Sanjay .Gupta or Wolf Blitzerbergstein bray earnestly about such and such a ‘promising’ vein of research.

    It’s 17 years since SARS, and there’s no vaccine.

    Eventually, someone will claim that their vaccine works; there will be an attempt to mandate it; people will die on both sides.

    Imagine being the costumed fuckwit who willingly participates in the enforcement of mandatory vaccinations. (To begin with, being a costumed fuckwit means you’re within 0.3σ of the cognitive median, and guaranteed to lack the wetware to assess the evidence for what you’re enforcing).

    If anyone deserves a home visit in the dead of night, it’s those people.

  56. @Anon

    ‘ The working poor love it and go on welfare as welfare means more money coming in.’

    I doubt if they love it. Welfare isn’t good for anybody — and I have indeed known at least one decent person who was on it.

    Kids, lack of education, and all the rest notwithstanding, she got her ass off it.

    • Replies: @gsjackson
    , @Dumbo
    , @VinnyVette
  57. gsjackson says:
    @Colin Wright

    I just got my hair cut and the owner of the shop, holding down the fort alone, said that the half dozen or so cutters she has working there will come back when the welfare checks stop. There’s definitely a moral hazard involved in doling out this much money for not working, and that may be a not insignificant part of the plandemic.

    • Replies: @mcohen
  58. Controlled dumolition

    The deep state gives the brain 1 choice …main scream media AKA operatiom middle finger

    IndependAnt thought is now classified as a hate crime and a crime against humanity /quackademia

    • LOL: schnellandine
  59. @Gilad Atzmon

    Plenty of people wrote about and investigated the 9/11 events before Christopher Bollyn. The powers-that-be were not happy, but by and large they went along with it so long as the villains of the piece were odious gentiles like George W Bush and Dick Cheney.

  60. Dube says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    Gilad, thank you for your related article, a step forward in understanding the WTC discussions.

    https://gilad.online/writings/2018/1/2/kosherising-the-911-truth-movement

    If you’re blowing sax, you don’t need to pick guitar instead.

  61. Druid says:
    @Tsar Nicholas

    Obwandyidiot is not worth it. He’s an idjut!

  62. @Jett Rucker

    Bro’ (say braa), I am a Viking baked in African clay. I am an African that has no doubts about entering Valhalla. I am whiter than Hitler, I am Blacker than Obama. I believe my nose to be Persian, but it might be Jewish. Half German half Scot, all African, I am Boer. And I live in a country where it is sort of illegal to ask after my skin colour, but in the inetrest of full disclosure I ajkhfufj n nrenjknf nf

  63. mcohen says:
    @gsjackson

    Agree but then China will be footing the bill.This generation and the next.

  64. @Gilad Atzmon

    If you do not agree with Tony you are part of the coverup. Never mind Islamic terrorist trying to take down the towers in 1993.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_World_Trade_Center_bombing#Planning_and_organization

    And why not speak plainly Gilad? Just come out and say that there is nothing in you, or your Israeli families and friends background that could lead them to deliberately ccommit mass murder of civilians? Jews practice and execute policies even in the army that protect the sanctity of life.

    Islam has an entire philosophy built around mass murder. Not that many people subscribe to it, but it does exist. Sayed Q’tub the father of the Muslim Brotherhood a major proponent and others.

    With regard to the above article. It goes to show that right is now left and left is now right. The problem with the world is that the left has totally lost its mind, they no longer represent the everyday people of the world and their needs to survive and thrive, but some far off philosophy of globalism that no one can endure. It is impossible to disagree with the left, if you do you are considered a low life bigot and condemned. Worse yet is the left’s sheer delusional sense of a fake moralism that cannot be challenged, and is sickening on a street level.

    A good example of delusional people would be conspiracy nut Tony Hall.

    • LOL: OsgoodDeLaPoopoo
    • Replies: @Tsar Nicholas
    , @Iris
  65. @Fran Taubman

    What about Jews adopting the practice of sacrificing their children to Molech – making them walk through the fire as the Second Book of Kings puts it? A practice in which even kings indulged.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  66. @Tsar Nicholas

    Oh I forgot about that thanks for reminding me lol.

    • Replies: @Tsar Nicholas
  67. @Fran Taubman

    What about the Transfer Agreement, which clearly lays out how Zionists traded Jewish lives for land in Palestine?

  68. Iris says:
    @Fran Taubman

    A good example of delusional people would be conspiracy nut Tony Hall.

    The utterly delusional people are those who still believe that it is possible to fool the public into believing that 3 Towers can (allegedly) be brought down with just 2 airliners.

    Israel did 9/11 to fulfil its agenda and killed 3000 Americans in the process.
    It is this crime against humanity that you justify day in day out with your filthy comments, while having the gall to lecture others about their morals.

    Are you for real, Taubman?

    • Agree: Tony Hall, Patagonia Man
    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  69. @Tony Hall

    When it comes to 9/11 the fact that a specious interpretation has been allowed to prevail has had monumental consequences. Just one of the many consequences has been to massively empower a small group who pretty much seized control of US foreign policy and much of its domestic politics as well. For this fact alone, 9/11 is a big and many-faceted aspect of the world we live in now. The effect of the event has long since mushroomed way beyond Building 7 and the realm of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth.

    People have seen the 9/11 evidence you and others have promoted, analyzed the data and rejected your conclusions. I have friends that live in buildings in downtown Manhattan and saw the planes hit the towers. Most people just do not see it your way. You must remember that Islamic terrorist tried to take the towers down in 1993.
    Your viewpoint is just that a viewpoint. You cannot bully people into believing it.

  70. @Iris

    This reminds me of your logic.

    Muslims permit /commit mass murder and go to paradise for it. Kill the infidel. Jews do not encourage suicide as a means to commit mass murder. Should I give you some examples. There are a lot of Muslims suicides causing the deaths of many innocent people.

    You are like a cartoon Iris. a Looney Tunes cartoon.

    • Troll: Tsar Nicholas
    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Patagonia Man
  71. @Anon

    tribal marching order: where we go 1 we go all, aka WW1WGA.

  72. In 1973 Menachim Begin discussing the possibility of Palestinian participation in the Geneva Conference said:-

    “We can under no circumstances agree to the participation in the Geneva Conference of such an organization as the PLO is. We agree to the participation of Palestinian Arabs. This is the proper expression; not Palestinians, because we are all Palestinians.”

    The expression “We are all Palestinians” has since been widely used in a different context to Begin’s intentions. In 2002 the Palestinian poet Mahmoud Darwish joined a solidarity event at the Beirut Stadium, Lebanon, attended by 25,000 people. Before reading his poetry, Darwish made a speech within which he said, “Now, we are all Palestinian, without exception”.

    Turkish protestors in a 2010 protest against the latest Israeli atrocity carried placards stating “We are all Palestinians”.

    There are many more to add to the list and who would claim to be the originator of such a widely used phrase? Why Gilad Atzmon of course the living, breathing embodiment of the Dunning – Kruger effect.

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/basics/dunning-kruger-effect

    I also notice that in a response to a question Gilad refers to “leaving academia” a number of years ago. The phrase “leaving academia” is reserved for individuals quitting paid university posts where they are expected to educate undergraduates, supervise PHD students and publish peer reviewed research in academic journals. The phrase Gilad is searching for is “graduated”.

    To paraphrase propaganda from another era – “Triumph of the Ego” is apparent in quantity here….

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  73. Dumbo says:
    @Colin Wright

    Yes, but I don’t think it’s so much about the morality of not working, it is really because for most people, if they don’t work, or rather if they do not occupy their bodies and minds with something, anything, they don’t really know what to do, they become bored and restless, that thing Pascal said about “not being able to stay in your room”, and so they will tend towards self-destructing activities. The Devil, idle hands and all that.

    So even if you have UBI, you will need something to make people feel somewhat useful, either for themselves or for others. The utopians argued that, once liberated from work, the masses would become creative, and flourish. But the truth is that not all people can be creative, actually only a minority are, most of the rest will spend their idle time following all kinds of vices and destructive paths, so this poses a dilemma.

    I suppose the easiest way for the powers that be will be to double down on games, social media, pr0n and online entertainment for the masses. Some, such as the Lion of the Blogosphere, promote that people be paid to play video games at their home and stay out of trouble. The more points they make, the more hours they stay at home playing, the more money they make, or something like this. It seems stupid and useless, but maybe not more stupid or useless that many jobs nowadays in the “digital economy”.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  74. Iris says:
    @Fran Taubman

    You are like a cartoon Iris. a Looney Tunes cartoon.

    Perhaps, Taubman, but myself, like others, ask a relevant question.

    From the 9/11 perpetrators’ viewpoint, something went terribly wrong at the WTC7 building, something that obliged them to hastily improvise its controlled demolition and unwillingly make it the forever-smoking gun of the 9/11 false flag.

    WTC7 is a smoking gun that even the simplest of minds can see for what it is: a blatant evidence of an inside job.

    WTC7 is also a smoking gun on which scientists, engineers and educated people are now obliged to agree: the University of Alaska study irrevocably demonstrated it came down by controlled demolition.

    So who had control of WTC7 during the 5 hours leading to its collapse? Who had the possiblity to improvise its demolition in plain sight? It is your fellow tribal member Larry “Pull It” Silverstein, Taubman. Neither the Saudis, nor the Islamic extremist buffoons. Your ad-hominem and humanist posing won’t change that.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  75. @Iris

    That was funnier then the last posting.
    I thought I saw a Wabbit

    Where you in NYC during 9/11. I was. I saw and heard those planes.

    • Replies: @schnellandine
    , @Iris
  76. @Mike Jones

    “We can under no circumstances agree to the participation in the Geneva Conference of such an organization as the PLO is. We agree to the participation of Palestinian Arabs. This is the proper expression; not Palestinians, because we are all Palestinians.”

    Golda Meir said it. 7.06 into the tape.

  77. Dube says:

    From the 9/11 perpetrators’ viewpoint, something went terribly wrong at the WTC7 building, something that obliged them to hastily improvise its controlled demolition … So who had control of WTC7 during the 5 hours leading to its collapse?

    An alternative hypothesis to hasty improvisation is: the same careful preparation construed for Towers 1 and 2. The something going terribly wrong might have been the downing of Flight 93, short of WTC7 as its intended target.

    • Replies: @Iris
  78. @Fran Taubman

    I saw and heard those planes.

    Smells like a lie. My lie-sniffer tends toward this corrected version: “I seem to recall hearing what might have been planes.”

    If you (not someone else) have seen IRL a plane collide with a building anywhere on Earth, at any time, I’ll recommend to my rich friends your gilded-hideousness posture-furniture. Do you take S&H Green Stamps?

    • Thanks: Fran Taubman
  79. Iris says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Where you in NYC during 9/11. I was. I saw and heard those planes.

    I wasn’t at the WTC. My great-uncle was there; he was working as an IT engineer for a major bank at the time and was headed to office when the catastrophe happened.

    My great-uncle does not much question the official version. From what he told us however, the alleged “planes” would have been too fast and too high, in a landscape barred by the sky-scarpers, and weren’t actually seen by most people on the ground around the Towers. What everybody indisputably perceived is the sound of the explosions.

    The other thing that my great-uncle remembers very, very vividly, is that on that day, unlike any other day, there was no people walking by wearing the distinctive signs of the Jewish religion. Everytime I asked, he stressed how strange that was, as apparently Orthodox Jews with kippas and other religious clothing were a constant and distinctive feature of the WTC. Except on the morning of 9/11.

    Putting your dubious testimony aside, the only “evidence” that planes hit the Twin Towers is not what the public saw in real-life, but the videos broadcast on MSM TV channels.

    Considering that the videos were produced by only 2 teams of “technicians” (Naudet and Hezerkhani), and supported by about 15 “witnesses”, the alleged “plane attack” would have been a very easy psy-op to organise.

    What really blew the top of the Twin Towers was not the CGI “planes”, it was the explosives pre-planted by the Israeli E-Team and Gelatin “Art Students”.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  80. Iris says:
    @Dube

    The something going terribly wrong might have been the downing of Flight 93, short of WTC7 as its intended target.

    Thanks for your reply; I apologise for interjecting and being unpolite, in case I am.

    WTC7 was only 47-storeys, with many higher buildings around. A “plane attack” scenario on WTC7 was unconceivable and was not in the agenda.

    Undisputed facts:
    – The WTC buildings were joined by tunnels, such as the tunnel under WTC4, later found with rail track carriages loaded with gold bullion during the rescue operations.
    – The Twin Towers were destroyed at the foundation level, implying that whatever explosives were used, a quantity of them was placed underground.

    What went wrong for Silverstein and the NeoCons perpetrators is the following:
    – When they triggered the explosions under WTC2, then WTC1, the blast’s pressure shockwave travelled unhindered underground through the tunnels, towards WTC7. The tunnels acted as a path of least resistance to the shockwave which ended up damaging WTC7 too.
    The travelling blasts blew up the glass façade and the central staircase of WTC7, making WTC7 the standing proof and blatant aftermath of a controlled explosion. This effect is visible in several videos of WTC7 filmed after the Twin Towers collapsed.

    Silverstein had to improvise to hide the signs of explosion: with great reluctance, he ordered to “pull down” WTC7.

    WTC7 bearing to signs of controlled explosion is to 9/11 what Lee Harvey Oswald’s impromptu escape from the Book Depository before early execution was to the JFK assassination: a little detail the perpetrators did not plan for that ended up revealing the entire conspiracy.

    Some call it Karma, some call it God’s hand.

    • Replies: @schnellandine
    , @Dube
  81. @Iris

    you are so stupid.

    My great-uncle does not much question the official version. From what he told us however, the alleged “planes” would have been too fast and too high, in a landscape barred by the sky-scarpers, and weren’t actually seen by most people on the ground around the Towers. What everybody indisputably perceived is the sound of the explosions.

    They were seen by people living in buildings, high buildings on the river almost directly across with a view. Are you fucking serious. If there were no planes there would be no people saying they saw planes. Forget the ground. People live in the air in NYC. I have several friends who live downtown and saw it from their windows on the 20th floor of their building.

    And Cantor Fitzgerald was hit the hardest of any company. The planes hit right below that floor. Howard Lutnick, the owner of Cantor Fitzgerald lost his brother, also Jewish. 300 People died from Cantor Fitzgerald more Jews then non Jews.

    What happened to the planes and all the people who died on the planes?

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @schnellandine
  82. Iris says:
    @Fran Taubman

    They were seen by people living in buildings, high buildings on the river almost directly across with a view. Are you fucking serious.

    Perhaps, if we were to believe people like you.

    But what can be seen by everybody, in this very minute, is that a number of 9/11 videos were faked to insert CGI planes. The two most strikingly faked films were:
    – the video of a “plane’s” nose coming out the other side of WTC2, then miraculously retracting back inside the Tower.
    – The Chopper 4 video of WTC2 aired live on TV on 9/11 , showing an explosion and NO plane in the morning, then edited to show an explosion AND a plane in the afternoon.

    These two videos being indisputably faked, there is no reason to believe the remainder were genuine. Or to believe that you are anything but a Zionist liar who covers up a crime against humanity.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  83. @Iris

    he ordered to “pull down” WTC7.

    His actual words aren’t compelling enough, so you juice it and keep the quote marks?

    What he said on video isn’t damning. I’m open to conspiracy theories different from the state’s conspiracy theory, but from the beginning I write off anyone making a big deal of a public “pull it”. It’s slang perfectly appropriate to his official role and a decision to abort firefighting. Doesn’t mean it wasn’t Jewish Lightning.

    • Replies: @Iris
  84. @Fran Taubman

    I have several friends who live downtown and saw it from their windows on the 20th floor of their building.

    Don’t forget; you saw and heard it yourself.

    When I think of you on that day, I think of the guy in the old Memorex commercial. Those were the days, eh? I mean, that cassette tape just nearly blew him out of the room, it was so good.

  85. @Iris

    Can you put me on your ignore list. You are the most ignorant incoherent person on this site. If there were no planes you would know it. But I do not want to continue this discussion. It is too stupid. Like the Jews got radio signals not to come to the Trade Towers. I know a lot of religious people down there they were not told to stay away. What about all the Jews the Lutnick’s that I spoke to you about. You can look up Howard Lutnick and 9/11/ People from Cantor Fitzgerald were trapped and when the planes hit. Many of them called loved ones before dying. They all saw the planes hit and mentioned that on their good by phone calls.

    • Replies: @Iris
  86. Iris says:
    @schnellandine

    What he said on video isn’t damning.

    The semantics interpretation of Silverstein’s “pull it” phrase is utterly irrelevant, since the civil engineering study of the UAF scientifically proved that WTC was brought down by controlled demolition. So it is WTC7 that was indeed “pulled” down, not the firemen team.

    And instead of focusing on the semantics, it is more intelligent, for a genuine truth-seeker that is, to answer this question: who had the means to improvise the demolition of WTC7 within a short 5- hours time window, with an army of innocent first responder witnesses running around?

    • Replies: @schnellandine
  87. Iris says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Can you put me on your ignore list

    Of course, factually and rationally discussing what really happened on 9/11 is a no-go zone , I get that, Taubman.

    What is allowed, on the contrary, is senseless Anti-Semitic raving and abusive anti-Jewish drivel that de facto discredits the 9/11 truthers.

    Have a nice discussion with your “partners”.

  88. Tony Hall says:

    Fran Taubman is pretty much a die hard defender of every aspect of the official narrative, a kind of retro throw back of the era before we indisputably exposed 9/11 frauds like Michael Shermer. Here is the video that my graduate student, Joshua Blakeney, and I made about Shermer’s talk at the University of Lethbridge in 2010. The University of Lethbridge apparently isn’t too bothered by speakers who lie about their credentials. Does this all count as 9/11 fraud? Why do some people believe such weird things?

    About 12 minutes

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Fran Taubman
  89. @Iris

    Just asking you to fabricate not, is all.

    Now, let’s get Fran to be our Fren. I need to know at least one Jew, so I get advance notice of their next crime against humanity. This latest caught me short, I confess.

    • LOL: Fran Taubman
    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Fran Taubman
  90. Iris says:
    @Tony Hall

    It is not surprising that those responsible for 9/11 have to resort to charlatans like Dr Shermer to support the official narrative, which has become so discredited that no scientifically-trained person would touch it with a pole for fear of losing their reputation.

    Like in a court of justice, not all arguments are equivalent; there is a hierarchy in the nature of arguments used to prove one 9/11 thesis over the other.
    – Physics-based arguments are superlative and come first, as Physics laws can’t be perverted by any human trick.
    – Engineering-based arguments come second, as engineering is only applied physics and always a technological compromise.
    – Expert opinion comes third, provided sufficient contradictory expertise is involved.
    – Collective common sense comes fourth, and non-expert individual opinions fifth and last.

    The problem encountered by the 9/11 perpetrators is that their version of events has been proved wrong by too many superior arguments of the 1st and 2nd category.

    They tried to counter the trend by propping up category 3 arguments, in the form of public endorsement by paid-for experts eager to keep their job.

    But as the number of superlative arguments kept piling up against the official version, the official experts refused to address the contradiction.
    An expert which is neither able, nor willing to debate their opinion with contradictors loses any credibility, which de facto degrades their arguments to category 5, the weakest and less convincing.

    In summary, while the 9/11 truthers have ramped up their game and built up first-class physics and engineering arguments over the years, the official side has logically gone the reverse path, having now to rely on individuals unable to sustain a public debate, or even on outright charlatans who are bound to resort to ad hominem. Dr Shermer belongs to the latter category, as does Taubman. Very predictable behaviour.

  91. Iris says:
    @schnellandine

    I did not” fabricate” anything. My native language being French, I missed that there was such a subtle and important nuance between “pull” and “pull down” within the context of a “controlled demolition” discussion.

    • Thanks: schnellandine
  92. @schnellandine

    Give me your number I will send you the code. Once you get the code you dial it in. You will receive notices when crimes against humanity (mass murder) will take lace
    We Jews we have implants behind our ears so we get direct signals, no phone. You know those religious Jews withe the black boxes on their head? Antennas.

    • Thanks: schnellandine
    • Replies: @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo
  93. @Tony Hall

    I am Mossad. I was in on it the whole time. I sent GPS signals to the non existent planes.

    Adherents of the 9/11 Truth movement are conspiracy theorists who dispute the mainstream account of the September 11 attacks of 2001. The group disputes the commonly accepted account that Al-Qaeda terrorists hijacked four airliners, crashed them into the Pentagon and New York’s Twin Towers, where the crashes led to their collapse. The primary focus is on missed information that they allege is not adequately explained in the official NIST theory, such as the collapse of 7 World Trade Center. They suggest a cover-up and, at the least, complicity by insiders.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8]

    They analyze evidence from the attacks, discuss different theories about how the attacks happened and call for a new investigation into the attacks.[9][10][11][12][13][14][15] Some of the organizations assert that there is evidence that individuals within the United States government may have been either responsible for or knowingly complicit in the September 11 attacks. Motives suggested by the movement include the use of the attacks as a pretext to fight wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and to create opportunities to curtail American civil liberties.[2][16] Support for the movement is negligible from professionals in relevant fields, such as civil and aerospace engineering.[17]

    • Replies: @schnellandine
    , @Anon
  94. @Fran Taubman

    Adherents of the 9/11 Truth movement are conspiracy theorists who dispute the mainstream account of the September 11 attacks of 2001.

    Not going to look, but I guess from the footnote litter that that ridiculous pravda-like trash is Wikipedia.

    The “mainstream account” is a conspiracy theory, its adherents conspiracy theorists. Not debatable. The 9/11 attacks were the result of a conspiracy, and the state has a theory about it. That it’s preposterous shouldn’t be held against them.

    Whoever wrote that quoted bit is advertising the fallacy of equivocation, proclaiming that “conspiracy theory” in their hands is merely pejorative poisoning of the well for the less intelligent reader, not a term with objective meaning.

    There’s another conspiracy theory people love to believe: The Legend of the Six Gorillion

  95. Dube says:
    @Iris

    Thanks, I hadn’t considered a shock wave through the tunnel. Resultant damage in WTC7 is confirmed? That could be embarrassing. But a wire-up in five hours? Mmmmaybe…. It is reasonably claimed that they were designed to come down in line with building codes.

    It’s known that there were sensitive contents in WTC7, though I’ve forgotten what. That could add some weight to the possibility that the destruction was planned prior to the event, even though the building was not as prominently tall as 1 and 2.

    I’d heard of gold bullion below — “rail track carriages loaded with gold bullion [found] during the rescue operations” — was it accountably secured?

    Let’s all clink glasses over the obvious: all three buildings look like controlled demolition. If anyone ever wonders what a controlled demolition looks like, see these pictures! But even though that’s what it looks like — clink! — of course it’s not.

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Twodees Partain
  96. Anon[728] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Fran you are obviously not Mossad. And why are you copying and pasting from Wikipedia?

    I have a Jewish friend who wishes you would shut up. He says that you make Jews look stupidly belligerent.

    • Thanks: Fran Taubman
  97. @Anon

    Would love to shut up. Iris keeps accusing me of blowing up the WTT in addition she says I was warned to stay away before the explosion because I am Jewish. And that being a New Yorker whose gallery is located on the 12th floor of 44 West 18th Street (Check it out) Ralph Pucci, facing the towers with floor to ceiling glass windows, where anyone even you could see plain as day those planes hitting the towers. I am told by Iris that I was watching a film, that people did not see real planes but an animation of planes.
    I have a lot of Muslim and non Jewish friends who say you and Iris are an embarrassment and should stop.

    I never bring up or defend the story because the 9/11 truth story is too stupid to defend. I am here on UR to defend Jew hatred not 9/11.

    The obvious flaw in the 9/11 truthers is that they start with the conclusion. A conclusion that feeds a desired blame for a group of people they do not like, and removes the obvious guilt from Islam and Muslims who have committed horrible mass murder in the name of Islam. Muslims and Zionist haters need to false flag, 9/11 and blame it on the Jews the enemy of Islam.
    So they create facts to back up their desired conclusion.

    Everyone including me who desires the truth above all else can see the obvious fallacy of starting with a conclusion and working backwards. Those interested in the truth find the conclusion by following empirical evidence. The logical conclusion is that Islamic terrorist committed 9/11 in the name of Islam, like Al Qaeda said. The 1993 attempt was by Islamic terrorist, not Jews.

    I meant to show the wiki link. But working on my phone. Sorry.

    • Replies: @schnellandine
    , @geokat62
  98. Iris says:
    @Dube

    Resultant damage in WTC7 is confirmed? That could be embarrassing.

    Nothing can be more embarrassing than the 2019 UAF civil works study concluding to “global failure” (hence controlled demolition) of the WTC7.

    In this video filmed inside WTC7, just after the collapse of the South Tower, but before the demolition of the North Tower, one can see the extent of the damage that occurred far inside the building: debris and dust, shattered reception counter, etc.. At 4:00, one can also see that most of the façade glass panels are still intact, which proves that the blast that destroyed the reception area came from inside the building, and not from outside.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=242&v=uLqGRv7CQlc&feature=emb_logo

    Notice also the unusual two-tones alarm going inside WTC7: it is warning of a danger, but is not a standard fire alarm message, which are performed via spoken pre-recorded messages in places receiving the public.

    This is the testimony of Barry Jennings, NYC Housing Authority and WTC survivor. He got trapped in WTC7 with a colleague. He recounts (@2:00) how while trying to get out of the building, an explosion occurred and the stairwell landing on which they were standing suddenly collapsed. He also says the ambiant temperature had suddenly become unbearably hot.

    At 4:00, Mr Jennings also recounts how, while being rescued by the firemen just after the second collapse, they saw that the internal lobby and elevators of WTC7 had entirely collapsed.

    In summary, it is obvious from the evidence filmed on that day that WTC7 had sustained extensive internal damage characteristic of a pressure blast, immediately after the Twin Towers collapsed and long before the alleged “raging office fire” had the time to impact the building.

    But a wire-up in five hours?

    There was no need to wire up anything: each building was brought down by a respective single nuclear charge located in an underground explosion chamber. A third charge must have been brought for WTC7 as well, as a precaution.
    The provision of an underground explosion chamber is a demolition facility that obviously would have been embedded during the construction phase. This is why the alarm was going off. The engineers who initially designed the overall demolition scheme, controlled from within WTC7, took the precaution to includean alarm warning off engineers once the scheme had been triggered.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
    , @Dube
  99. geokat62 says:

    We are accustomed to Facebook and Twitter dictating their worldview in the name of community standards. The only question is what community they have in mind. Certainty not a tolerant and pluralist western one.

    A. The Jewish Supremacist community.

  100. @Fran Taubman

    I am here on UR to defend Jew hatred not 9/11.

    Oops.

  101. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    I am here on UR to defend Jew hatred not 9/11.

    Defend Jew hatred? I thought you were on here to fight “Jew hatred,” Fran. But what do I know… I’m just a dumb goy.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  102. @Colin Wright

    You need to get your head out of the sand… Most Americans are lazy, unmotivated dead weight on society…. This isn’t the 50’s anymore! They LOVE it!

  103. @geokat62

    Yes yes, hit me with your best shot. I am here on UR to fight against Jew hatred.

    • Replies: @anon
  104. @Iris

    No one can make up how stupid you are Iris. controlled nuclear device. My my.

    There was no need to wire up anything: each building was brought down by a respective single nuclear charge located in an underground explosion chamber. A third charge must have been brought for WTC7 as well, as a precaution.
    The provision of an underground explosion chamber is a demolition facility that obviously would have been embedded during the construction phase

    How come the Muslim Sheik failed to bring down the towers in 1993. No nukes around?

    • Replies: @schnellandine
  105. Tony Hall says:

    The reference to the role of Alan Dershowitz as a lawyer for the so-called “Dancing Israelis” or “high fivers” was first published in Counterpunch in 2007. The article is by Christopher Ketcham. It is entitled “Cheering Movers and Art Students as Spies.” Like so much other evidence challenging the veracity of official narratives of all kinds, Ketcham’s article has been made to disappear in the process of the accelerating vandalization of the Internet.. Some unsatisfactory explanation of Counterpunch’s own role in the censorship is offered at

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2007/03/07/ketcham-s-story/

    Excerpts of the famous disappearing article, including the reference to Alan Dershowitz, have been published at

    http://911blogger.com/news/2007-02-09/excerpts-cheering-movers-and-art-student-spies-christopher-ketcham

    [MORE]

    “From inside the vehicle the officers, who were quickly joined by agents from the FBI, retrieved multiple passports and $4,700 in cash stuffed in a sock. According to New Jersey’s Bergen Record, which on September 12 reported the arrest of the five Israelis, an investigator high up in the Bergen County law enforcement hierarchy stated that officers had also discovered in the vehicle “maps of the city … with certain places highlighted. It looked like they’re hooked in with this”, the source told the Record, referring to the 9/11 attacks. “It looked like they knew what was going to happen when they were at Liberty State Park.”

    The five men were indeed Israeli citizens. They claimed to be in the country working as movers for Urban Moving Systems Inc., which maintained a warehouse and office in Weehawken, New Jersey. They were held for 71 days in a federal detention center in Brooklyn, New York, during which time they were repeatedly interrogated by FBI and CIA counterterrorism teams, who referred to the men as the “high-fivers” for their celebratory behavior on the New Jersey waterfront. Some were placed in solitary confinement for at least forty days; some were given as many as seven lie-detector tests. One of the Israelis, Paul Kurzberg, brother of Sivan, refused to take a lie-detector test for ten weeks. Then he failed it.

    Meanwhile, two days after the men were picked up, the owner of Urban Moving Systems, Dominik Suter, a 31-year-old Israeli national, abandoned his business and fled the United States for Israel. Suter’s departure was abrupt, leaving behind coffee cups, sandwiches, cell phones and computers strewn on office tables and thousands of dollars of goods in storage. Suter was later placed on the same FBI suspect list as 9/11 lead hijacker Mohammed Atta and other hijackers
    and suspected al-Qaeda sympathizers….

    The Forward reported that the FBI had finally concluded that at least two of the men were agents working for the Mossad, the Israeli intelligence agency, and that Urban Moving Systems, the ostensible employer of the five Israelis, was a front operation. Two former CIA officers confirmed this to me, noting that movers’ vans are a common intelligence cover….

    Vincent Cannistraro, former chief of operations for counterterrorism with the CIA, told 20/20 that some of the names of the five men appeared as hits in searches of an FBI national intelligence database…..

    …Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage and two unidentified “prominent New York congressmen” were lobbying heavily for their release. According to a source at ABC News close to the 20/20 report, high-profile criminal lawyer Alan Dershowitz also stepped in as a negotiator on behalf of the men to smooth out differences with the U.S. government…..

    All five future hijackers of American Airlines Flight 77, which rammed the Pentagon, maintained addresses or were active within a six-mile radius of towns associated with the Israelis employed at Urban Moving Systems…..

    According to the source at ABC News, FBI investigators chafed at the denials from their higher-ups. “There is a lot of frustration inside the bureau about this case”, the source told me. “They feel the higher echelons torpedoed the investigation into the Israeli New Jersey cell. Leads were not fully investigated.” Among those lost leads was the figure of Dominik Suter, whom the U.S. authorities apparently never attempted to contact…..

    • Thanks: geokat62, Iris
    • Replies: @dimples
  106. Dube says:
    @Iris

    But a wire-up in five hours?

    There was no need to wire up anything: each building was brought down by a respective single nuclear charge located in an underground explosion chamber. A third charge must have been brought for WTC7 as well, as a precaution.
    The provision of an underground explosion chamber is a demolition facility that obviously would have been embedded during the construction phase. This is why the alarm was going off. The engineers who initially designed the overall demolition scheme, controlled from within WTC7, took the precaution to include an alarm warning off engineers once the scheme had been triggered.

    The location of the 1993 explosion would be pertinent to the posit of an architectural provision for an underground explosion chamber, especially since it’s public knowledge that the 1993 event was monitored while in progress by the FBI, even deciding to enable live explosive material rather than fake. Was that “basement explosion” set in such a designated chamber?

    • Replies: @Iris
  107. anon[332] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Yes yes, hit me with your best shot.

    🤣🤣🤣

    Yes, yes, please keep shooting yourself in the jew foot, you ham-fisted jew cunt!

    I am here on UR to fight against Jew hatred.

    Nah, you are “here on UR” spewing your illiterate jew-venom and doing a first-rate job of defending “Jew-hatred” and inciting the burning down of jew synagogues.

  108. Iris says:
    @Dube

    The first great difference between the 1993 and 2001 WTC bombings is of course the power of the explosives used.

    While the 1993 bombing involved chemical explosives with power in the order of less than 1 ton equivalent-TNT, the destruction of one Twin Tower, the way it was carried out on 9/11, would have required in the order of 100, 000 tons equivalent-TNT. So as the 1993 bomb was concealed in a truck, it would have required 100,000 truck bombs to perpetrate 9/11 using chemical explosives. This is obviously impossible, as there was nowhere to hide them.

    What was used is a totally different type of explosive: nuclear explosives are much more compact, thus easier to transport and conceal, and only 10 tons would have suffice to achieve the same effect as 100,000 tons of chemical explosives.

    The second difference is of course the radioactive by-products. The civil engineers who designed the demolition facility in the 1960’s were competent professionals; they would have calculated the burial depth to minimise the radioactive fallout, and prepared a demolition chamber deep down inside the bedrock. The drills to anchor a Twin Tower’s structural piles were made at -22 metres depth inside the bedrock. An additional drill would have been prepared and left empty as future explosion chamber. Nobody would have even noticed it in such a large construction site.

    For clarity, the use of nuclear explosives for peaceful civil engineering projects is a now an obsolete technology, but it was very popular in the 1960’s. At the time, nuclear demolition was no more shocking than the isolation asbestos the WTC was riddled with.

    This is how Silverstein “pulled it”.

    • LOL: Fran Taubman
    • Replies: @Dube
  109. @Anon

    ‘I have a Jewish friend who wishes you would shut up. He says that you make Jews look stupidly belligerent.’

    …whilst others of us would urge her to keep posting.

    • Replies: @schnellandine
  110. @Colin Wright

    …whilst others of us would urge her to keep posting.

    I don’t urge this. I think it’s a disgrace she can apparently use a real first/last name and not sweat lurking destruction by mob. That reality and its converse lights how full of shit is her position. The tortured Jewess, just defending her downtrodden people—so oppressed that they own the world and most of the stupid asses in it (who attack the sane on cue).

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  111. @Dube

    ” But a wire-up in five hours? Mmmmaybe…”

    It doesn’t seem possible to me. A 47 story steel frame building would take a few days, at minimum, to rig for implosion. All three buildings had to be prepped and ready to go on the 11th, for it to have happened all in one day. The reason for the delay before WTC 7 was brought down is still a mystery to me.

    The idea that WTC 7 was rigged and imploded in a few hours doesn’t take into account the amount of time required to wire a building for demolition.

    • Replies: @dimples
  112. @schnellandine

    Surprised about what? You are such a complainer. This thread was taken over by Tony Hall and Iris who insisted on turning Gilads article about controlled demolition into a 9/11 truther thread, despite Gilad’s appeal to Tony that it was not a topic he was interested in. This did not satisfy Tony who’s reply is if you are not on his side you are part of the coverup. Iris just went right on accusing me of blowing up the WTC because I am a Zionist. I am like Gilad and am not interested in discussing the 9/11 truthers.
    So you description of me being the tortured Jewess is a little wacky no? Where is your sense of humor. I have been laughing at this stuff the entire time, telling you I would send a signal next attack to give you a heads up. You are being a little hard on me. I have not advocated on this thread. Chill out.

  113. @Fran Taubman

    Fran, your personal bias does not pass for objective observation.

    Try as you might, you’re fooling nobody!

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  114. @schnellandine

    ‘I don’t urge this. I think it’s a disgrace she can apparently use a real first/last name and not sweat lurking destruction by mob. That reality and its converse lights how full of shit is her position. The tortured Jewess, just defending her downtrodden people—so oppressed that they own the world and most of the stupid asses in it (who attack the sane on cue).’

    This is why I encourage her to keep posting.

    • Replies: @schnellandine
  115. @Colin Wright

    Well, ya got me. Ha! Sometimes needs to be spelled out for the furious.

  116. Dube says:
    @Iris

    If one nuke obliterates the base of the tower, from its deepest pocket carved into Manhattan bedrock, what assures that the high tower won’t drop to the side and offend powerful neighbors? So look here, they say, just add the computerized process to drop it straight down into its footprint, the way that professionals do it. See you at lunch.

    That’s how it could look to me, so far.

    What I hear nothing of is the insurance settlements. No denial of claims, with a correct letter. Go to court; we’re ready.

    Reminds me of a transcript of proceedings between a rep of the German insurors and Goering, with his commission, communicating who is to pay for Kristallnacht:

    Goering: You will pay because you are liable.

    That was that. Not a see you in court. I can’t search for it now, but the transcript contains several gasp choke laughs.

    • Replies: @Iris
  117. @Patagonia Man

    Not trying to fool anyone. I just have my point of view and I explain it as best I can. I am not hiding or trying to be objective. No one on this site is objective, everyone has a point of view. Some people are more caustic then others.

  118. geokat62 says:

    Epstein Victim Maria Farmer Speaks With Whitney Webb, Full Phone Call Part 2:

    Description:

    Whitney Webb recently spoke with Maria Farmer, the first victim of Jeffrey Epstein who had the courage to come forward. We have broken this 3 hour conversation into two parts, this is part 2. Edits were only made where comments were given off the record.

    Part 1 can he heard here: https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/interviews/epstein-victim-maria-farmer-speaks-with-whitney-webb-full-phone-call-part-1/

    • Thanks: Iris
  119. Iris says:
    @Dube

    what assures that the high tower won’t drop to the side and offend powerful neighbors?

    That’s easy to answer.

    The destruction process caused by underground nuclear explosions was extensively studied by performing real explosions in the 1950’s and 1960’s. The effects depend mostly on 3 factors: the nature of the soil (hard, soft), the depth of burial of the nuclear charge, and its yield in kTons of equivalent TNT.

    When a nuclear explosion is carried out in hard granitic soil (such as Manhattan’s), the shattered rocks and surface ground directly at the vertical above the explosion chamber will be, for many seconds after the explosion, supported by the high pressure gases generated by the blast.

    Once the pressure drops, the shattered rocks will collapse leaving a subsidence crater at the surface and creating a vertical chimney above the explosion the chamber. See picture f. below

    Each Twin Tower was engulfed in the vertical chimney created underneath it by an underground explosion. Think of a magician standing onto a horizontal hatch which suddenly opens up under his feet. This is what happened to the Towers, with the process being neater for WTC7 because it was a much shorter building.

    This little video explains the process, although it does show only the creation of the crater, not the chimney.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  120. Dube says:

    Each Twin Tower was engulfed in the vertical chimney created underneath it by an underground explosion.

    I don’t think that phrase would persuade those who declare the building codes, frankly. I’d see no reason not to insist on planned eventual conventional demolition in stages, by computer. Isn’t that what it looks like? A nuke or mini-nukes — sure, as manifest in the long-lasting molten pools, but part of the controlled process of reduction in discrete stages, standard procedure.

    One might ask what claim, if any, Larry made for WTC7, and how that claimed linkage was described in the settlement arguments. And as I remember, 7 contained records and assets that made it more valuable, perhaps, than either 1 or 2.

    • Replies: @Iris
  121. @Iris

    I thought those diagrams were pornographic. Looks like a penis and vaginas.

  122. dimples says:
    @Colin Wright

    I’ll think I’ll go for a LOL on that one.

  123. dimples says:
    @Twodees Partain

    “The reason for the delay before WTC 7 was brought down is still a mystery to me.”

    Possibly the delay was due to:

    1. Psychological and Mcmedia separation of the event from the collapse of the Twin Towers. This allowed the dodgy looking WTC 7 collapse to be isolated and disappeared from public consciousness. I have been surprised by some, especially young people not being aware that a third building collapsed.

    2. The delay allowed the plotters to spread the idea that the tower was undergoing progressive failure and was about to collapse. See talks by Graeme MacQueen.

    • Thanks: Twodees Partain
  124. Iris says:
    @Dube

    I don’t think that phrase would persuade those who declare the building codes, frankly.

    People who maintain the building standards are actually those more likely to understand the nuclear demolition of the WTC, thanks to their mechanical background.

    Anyway, the phenomenology of underground nuclear explosions in granitic soil is not anybody’s opinion. It is standard nuclear engineering, which principles have been established 7 decades ago both by calculation and experimentation., and for which free resource is available online for those interested.

    • Replies: @Iris
  125. Tony Hall says:
    @dimples

    I hit the link and get “This site can’t be reached.” The article once appeared as I recall in several places on the Internet. Even Ketcham himself seems, however, to have disappeared all memory of the article on his own site.

    Let’s go back to basics. Dershowitz is central to Gilad’s very important and innovative work, work for which Gilad has suffered persecution. But…. How can Gilad credibly evaluate Dershowitz’s pilpul or whatever without addressing the fact that Trump’s and Epstein’s lawyer had a major role in removing from the United States Israeli suspects in the aborted 9/11 crime investigation.

    This initial crime investigation began with local cops in New York and New Jersey doing their jobs. Ketcham is one who for a time did his job as a genuine investigative reporter. We need to revisit the crime investigation that Dershowitz and others were apparently able to stop to the great chagrin of some in the now thoroughly discredited FBI.

    I don’t think its “interference” to add new information and call for a widening of perspective.

    • Replies: @Andrew Blair
  126. Iris says:
    @Iris

    In: “The Containment of Underground Nuclear Explosions”
    U.S. Congress, Office of Technology Assessment, OTA-ISC-414 (Washington, DC: U.S. Government Printing Office, October 1989).

    http://www.atomictraveler.com/UndergroundTestOTA.pdf

    The phenomenology of an underground nuclear explosion is described from page 38 onwards:

    At first, the explosion creates a pressurized cavity filled with gas that is mostly steam. As the cavity pushes outward, the surrounding rock is compressed . Because there is essentially a fixed quantity of gas within the cavity, the pressure decreases as the cavity expands. Eventually the pressure drops below the level required to deform the surrounding material . [..] The predominantly steam-filled cavity eventually collapses forming a chimney.

    The WTC was demolished at the foundation level by underground nuclear detonations.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  127. Dube says:

    The WTC was demolished at the foundation level by underground nuclear detonations.

    Thanks. I’m not disagreeing over underground nukes. I can agree that underground nukes demolished the foundations. But that leaves me wondering about controlling the drop of the 110 storeys above, so that the edifice does not fall to the side. For that, the standard method of cutter charges patterned for ignition in discrete stages would complement the demolition of the foundation.

    I carefully watched the video on underground nukes, scrolled page 38 onward in the 80-page The Containment of Underground Nuclear Explosions, carefully read the excerpt you quoted above, with your emphasized, “The predominantly steam-filled cavity eventually collapses forming a chimney.” But that chimney is underground, a chimney for an explosion and gases further beneath. Such an underground chimney would do little or nothing to guide the fall of 110 storeys swaying above.

    However, in the anomalies of the 47-storey WTC7, I’ve questioned here whether Larry and team could initiate preparations for demolition and conclude the action in five hours. Mmmmaybe. And maybe not. That leaves open the question of whether or not the destruction of WTC7 was entirely an ad hoc emergency decision, or rather a mistimed fulfillment of a preceding plan that had gone awry.

    • Replies: @Iris
  128. JamesinNM says:
    @UK

    And German generals wouldn’t commit war crimes just because they were ordered to do it. No vaccine for me. In the limit as time approaches infinity, the length of a human life approaches zero. Life is a mere breath in the eternal time frame. Choose well in your short life as bad choices in this life will be addressed at the final judgement when all evil will suffer the second death and burn for eternity. Matthew 10:28 – “And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.”

  129. Iris says:
    @Dube

    But that chimney is underground, a chimney for an explosion and gases further beneath. Such an underground chimney would do little or nothing to guide the fall of 110 storeys swaying above.

    Incorrect. The chimney is finally created when the pressure resulting from the explosion drops to the point it cannot support the shattered rock anymore. Gravity then takes over and the shattered rocks above the explosion cavity fall inside the cavity, opening a chimney above it, which further enlarges into a subsidence crater at the surface level. Gravity makes things fall; it does not make them dig.

    It is easy enough to understand; the picture (F) I posted in comment 121 is very clear, the one an excited Taubman enthusiastically mistook for male genitalia.

    Here is a more detailed schematic: underground explosion cavity at the bottom, chimney above it, than subsidence crater above the chimney
    https://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Usa/Tests/Nts.html

    The destruction sequence of a Twin Tower was as follows:
    – A nuclear charge was detonated into an underground explosion chamber.
    – The blast shockwave shattered the bedrock, the infrastructure, as well as the Tower itself which remained standing in a meta-stable state for a few seconds.
    – After 12 seconds delay, the chimney above the explosion cavity collapsed, engulfing the tower almost in its footprint, and leaving almost no rubble at the surface.

  130. @Tony Hall

    The link that dimples provides works for me, but it doesn’t go to the article I think you are referring to Tony. That article is “What Did Israel Know in Advance of the 9/11 Attacks?
    Cheering Movers and Art Student Spies”, which, what do you know, can be found here on UR: https://www.unz.com/article/what-did-israel-know-in-advance-of-the-911-attacks/.

    Other related Ketcham articles:

    The Israeli “art student” mystery: https://www.salon.com/2002/05/07/students/

    The Kuala Lumpur Deceit: https://www.counterpunch.org/2007/03/07/the-kuala-lumpur-deceit/

    Democracy Now Interview: https://www.democracynow.org/2007/2/8/cheering_movers_and_art_student_spies

    • Thanks: Tony Hall
    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
    , @Tony Hall
  131. Dube says:

    The destruction sequence of a Twin Tower was as follows:

    – A nuclear charge was detonated into an underground explosion chamber.

    – The blast shockwave shattered the bedrock, the infrastructure, as well as the Tower itself which remained standing in a meta-stable state for a few seconds.

    – After 12 seconds delay, the chimney above the explosion cavity collapsed, engulfing the tower almost in its footprint, and leaving almost no rubble at the surface.

    Are you insisting that there was no associated placement of non-nuclear charges throughout the towers aboveground?

    In any case, I am grateful for your evidence of damage transmitted underground to WTC7. There were no planes flying underground.

    • Replies: @Iris
  132. Iris says:
    @Dube

    Are you insisting that there was no associated placement of non-nuclear charges throughout the towers aboveground?

    There definitely were explosives placed above-ground: a factual and undeniable piece of evidence of the presence of such explosives, probably nanothermite, is the flow of molten steel that was filmed dropping off the South Tower shortly before its collapse, which orange colour was indicative of a temperature too high to be achieved by kerosene combustion, or by any other material present in the offices.

    After examining other aspects of 9/11, it becomes clear that no planes could have been involved at the WTC. The above-ground explosives were necessary to create the massive explosions on top of each Twin Tower, which of course were real, unlike the computer-generated planes.

    The above-ground explosives, however, could not have been responsible for the massive structural damage that resulted in the Towers collapsing, not even in a contributory manner. It is easy to understand why: because of the absence of a significantly loud explosion noise.

    There can exist no above-ground explosion without a supersonic shockwave, which always causes a supersonic “bang” by compressing the surrounding air; absence of a “bang” is a physical impossibility. Such a noise, being given the amount of explosives needed, would have been extremely loud, but is not heard on any video.
    On the contrary, an underground explosion would produce a shockwave dampened by the ground, producing only a muted rumble.

    It is exclusively the underground nuclear explosions that resulted in the collapse of WTC1,2&7.

    • Replies: @Dube
  133. @Andrew Blair

    Can you please refer me to an article that explains who Dershowitz represented re: Israelis 9/11?
    Thanks

    • Replies: @Andrew Blair
  134. Dube says:
    @Iris

    There can exist no above-ground explosion without a supersonic shockwave, which always causes a supersonic “bang” by compressing the surrounding air; absence of a “bang” is a physical impossibility. Such a noise, being given the amount of explosives needed, would have been extremely loud, but is not heard on any video.

    On the contrary, an underground explosion would produce a shockwave dampened by the ground, producing only a muted rumble.

    It is exclusively the underground nuclear explosions that resulted in the collapse of WTC1,2&7.

    You deny one, single, “bang” aboveground. I agree. But firemen heard multiple bangs. As did Barry Jennings. Anyway, controlled demolition is not done with a single big bang, but rather with a sequenced series of cuts. And a sequenced series does not have the air compression impact that you adduce.

    • Replies: @Iris
  135. @Iris

    Dear Iris,

    The quoted paragraph contains 13 words of three syllables or more.
    Please, can’t you make it less incoherent?

    Stick to one- or two-syllable words so Fran can get her rabbi-handler to help her read the paragraph.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
    , @Iris
  136. Tony Hall says:
    @Andrew Blair

    What game is “Fran Taubman” playing with you Andrew? She/he must be well aware that an excerpt from comment 107 cites Ketcham as follows:

    ……..Vincent Cannistraro, former chief of operations for counterterrorism with the CIA, told 20/20 that some of the names of the five men appeared as hits in searches of an FBI national intelligence database…..

    …Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage and two unidentified “prominent New York congressmen” were lobbying heavily for their release. According to a source at ABC News close to the 20/20 report, high-profile criminal lawyer Alan Dershowitz also stepped in as a negotiator on behalf of the men to smooth out differences with the U.S. government…..

    Maybe you can help “Fran Taubman” with her new interest in sources other than, say, Wikipedia or Crash Course #55.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  137. @Tony Hall

    Where is that source from UR? That is where I read that. But I could find no other sourcing for this on google. No game just curious.

  138. @SolontoCroesus

    Are you kidding me, I just glaze over the nuclear explosions that were pre set in construction. I have no interest in that stuff what so ever, like Silverstein saying pull them down. Reminds me of Bulwinkle the Mouse. Like game of thrones, which I could never watch one episode.
    I doubt my Rabbi would be interested in this stuff. No one I know takes it seriously.

    Maybe you need a Rabbi to explain it to you. Do you understand it?

    • Replies: @Iris
  139. Iris says:
    @Dube

    Anyway, controlled demolition is not done with a single big bang, but rather with a sequenced series of cuts

    Wrong reasoning. Conventional controlled demolition, to achieve global failure scheme such as proven for WTC7, would require destroying key structural nodes in a quasi instantaneous fashion, therefore exploding over-ground charges in such a close sequence that the explosions would sound almost instantaneous.

    The “bang” made by conventional controlled demolition of such large buildings would have been unmissable due to the large quantity of kTons equivalent TNT required. Extremely easy to verify for anybody really interested; plenty of videos of ordinary controlled demolitions carried out on large building blocks are available on the Internet.

    The Twin Towers were not demolished by conventional explosives placed over-ground, as no significantly-loud supersonic ” bang” can be heard on the videos. And, apart from the “plane crash staging”, no significant visual manifestation (fireball) of sufficiently large explosions can be seen either.

    Easy to understand even for the least tecahnically-gifted mind:

    No Supersonic “Bang” + Global Failure = Underground Nuclear Demolition

    • Replies: @Dube
  140. @Fran Taubman

    I have no more knowledge of who Dershowitz represented than is in the articles I already linked to. But supposing I did know more, how would I know that you wouldn’t use the information to smear the authors, or look for some way to have the information suppressed? Don’t I have reason to be cautious? There has already been an enormous amount of suppression of information surrounding the alleged spies.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  141. Iris says:
    @Fran Taubman

    I just glaze over the nuclear explosions that were pre set in construction.

    Wrong understanding of an albeit very simple concept.

    Empty detonation chambers for future demolition were prepared at construction in the late 60’s.

    Nuclear charges, which not only are dangerous but also require regular routine maintenance, would have been brought decades later and placed into the detonation chambers just days/weeks before the alleged “plane attacks”.

    Note: It is reported by Russian 9/11 truthers that the potential presence and use of nuclear explosives at the WTC was specifically mentioned in the US/USSR non-proliferation treaties.

  142. Dube says:
    @Iris

    The “bang” made by conventional controlled demolition of such large buildings would have been unmissable due to the large quantity of kTons equivalent TNT required.

    TNT? Think nano-thermite, military grade. It’s more energetic, and can be managed for lower decibels too.

    I might have — as you suggest? — the least technically gifted mind. But your position, which aligns with the NIST report, dismissing the sound amplitudes at WTC7, is refuted by the Architects & Engineers, as reported here, with audio evidence. See WTC7: Sound Evidence for Explosions:

  143. @Andrew Blair

    I don’t believe Dershowitz was involved the only mention is the CounterPunch article. In the NBC article he has another attorney. Dershowitz is not mentioned. Steven Gordon is their attorney. Naming Dershowitz puts it in another context. I am saying it is a lie. I will do more research. My goal is the truth not surprising the truth.

    The only mention of Dershowitz is the Counterpunch article. I find no other verification. This in NBC news.

    Steven Gordon, the attorney for the five Israeli detainees, acknowledged that his clients’ actions on Sept. 11 would easily have aroused suspicions. “You got a group of guys that are taking pictures, on top of a roof, of the World Trade Center. They’re speaking in a foreign language. They got two passports on ’em. One’s got a wad of cash on him, and they got box cutters. Now that’s a scary situation.”

  144. The Ketcham report here on UR, that mentions Dershowitz, refers to an ABC 20/20 report published in June 2002:

    Ac­­cording to a source at ABC News close to the 20/20 report, high-profile criminal lawyer Alan Der­showitz also stepped in as a negotiator on behalf of the men to smooth out differences with the U.S. government. (Dershowitz declined to comment for this article.)

    At that time I don’t know why anybody would be motivated to lie about Dershowitz. He appears to be playing a legitimate helpful role. I’m not sure what other context you might be referring to.

    Since then, given what we now know of the association of Dershowitz and Epstein, it looks like Dershowitz may have been helping Epstein use sexual blackmail to cover up 9/11 – though not necessarily back in 2002. This does not mean that Dershowitz knew that he was complicit in a coverup. He probably believes the official conspiracy theory, as do you.

    • Thanks: Fran Taubman
    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  145. @Andrew Blair

    Did not see it on the ABC News when I googled it. Will research.

    • Replies: @Andrew Blair
  146. @UK

    @UK,

    “Think about it…”

    Best way to think about it is to understand the game and know the players. We don’t know the facts.

  147. @Fran Taubman

    I don’t know why you would expect it to be on the ABC News report. The quote says a source close to the 20/20 report says that Dershowitz was involved.

    There are at least two people who could be lying here. One is Ketcham himself, lying in his 2007 Counterpunch article. The other is the source that he refers to, who would have known many of the details surrounding the release of the alleged spies. Of course I don’t know for sure that both were telling the truth, but I have no reason to suspect them of lying. What reason do you have for thinking they were lying?

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  148. @Andrew Blair

    I e-mailed Derswowitz. I googled can find no corroborating source, that says Dershowitz was involved with the 5 Israelis. the only source is Ketcham.

  149. John V says: • Website

    “Making money with money” isn’t an economy’s determinant, i.e. as setting the stage and becoming its valid point of departure for an economic continuity. Instead such activity is bound to render any economy to become determinant deficient. This inevitably leads to hardship and waste and thus is antithetical to its operating efficiently, regardless of any as such unsubstantiated claims by elitists. If, as Keynes held as obvious, in the real world ‘consumption … is the sole end and object of all economic activity’ (GT p.104), then it’s also the sole determinant of economic continuity. This means in terms of the latter being essential, and with “real” investment and its consequently thereby disbursed income having to occur prior, that I and Y are indeterminate until determined by C, thus causing Keynes’s static identity Y=C+I to become nonsensical in its being a determinate point of departure within an inherently dynamic economy. The ultimate justice of it all would accrue to Soros and his ilk the “money makers”, if governmental policy-making (as a deus ex machina) would reflect how this economy of ours truly works in the reality hereby exposed.

  150. Iris says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Dear Solonto;

    For info; I know you are a fine connaisseur if Iran. Best.

    Iran’s head rabbi berates Israelis, Netanyahu: ‘You don’t represent Judaism’

    Tehran’s chief rabbi on Friday lashed out at Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Jewish Israelis as Iran marked its annual anti-Israel Quds Day.
    Rabbi Yehuda Gerami, the head rabbi of the Iranian Jewish community, said in a Hebrew message aimed at Israelis: “You don’t represent Judaism. [..]

    “We Iranian Jews want to sent this message to the Zionists, and first and foremost to Netanyahu,” Gerami said. “Know that you Zionists do not represent Judaism and do not represent the Jewish people,” Gerami said in a statement broadcast on Iranian television. “You only represent the idea of a political movement whose ideas and values oppose the ideas and values of our holy Torah and the Jewish religion.”
    “We strongly condemn your aggressive actions and emphasize to the whole world: There is a big difference between Judaism and Zionism,” Gerami said

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/irans-head-rabbi-berates-israelis-netanyahu-you-dont-represent-judaism/

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  151. @Iris

    Thank you, Iris.

    May you and the people of Iran and all people (but especially my grandchildren) enjoy the blessings of nature and the god of nature.

    • Replies: @Iris
  152. Iris says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Thank you, dear Solonto.

    May the the future bring the best to you, to your family and to all peace-loving human beings.

  153. @MrFoSquare

    “In The Great Restructuring that’s taking place now, the Money Boys are basically transferring the income and assets of Main Street to the Creditors as they deflate the debt and bail themselves out. ”
    I have no problem believing the virus-crisis has been grabbed by the FIRE
    Oligarchs with both hands to loot trillions in public money.
    But the question of deflating Main St debt is… tricky. In normal times the actual creditors of a bankrupt CO take loses. ( those who can buy up the bankrupt CO at cents on the $ will do much better) . What creditors want is a Gov bailout (ie a Boeing). Yet, this demolition is unlikely to be controllable. It’s likely to be way too big even for the Fed & Gov…If Wall St thought it could control this crash they will be greatly dissapointed.

  154. geokat62 says:

    Frannie, this one’s for you!

    All together now, repeat after me: Diversity Is Our Greatest Strength….

  155. Some reading/grounding on how The Ancients who inspired America’s Founders handled debt crises:

    —> Greece

    Solon’s economic reforms, known as the “shaking off of burdens,” dealt with one of the immediate causes of the crisis: debt. All debts were cancelled, enslaved debtors freed, and borrowing on the security of the person forbidden.

    Solon’s laws | https://www.britannica.com/topic/Solons-laws

    —> Rome had numerous debt crises that were resolved in multiple different ways.
    https://www.cadtm.org/Personal-endebtment-and-debt
    One such debt crisis occurred in 33 AD, the time when Jesus is said to have lived/died. Interesting.

    [thumbnail –]. From memory, Augustus Caesar enacted forgiveness of interest, retaining requirement that debtors repay principle and that debtors retain possession of the asset.

    —> Yesterday (May 29, 2020) Trunews.com‘s Doc Burkhart interviewed “author and economic analyst David Haggith, publisher of The Great Recession Blog. https://thegreatrecession.info/blog/
    As the coronavirus continues to rearrange the economic fortunes of nations, is the reaction to the pandemic being used to implement a global plan for redistribution of wealth?”
    https://www.trunews.com/stream/epocalypse-has-arrived-has-coronavirus-triggered-the-fed-s-financial-collapse

    Haggith said that a global Jubilee might be the only resolution to mountain of debt, but it would be very difficult and take many years to unwind.
    Asked for practical advice on what people might do just now, he responded, “I sold out of the stock market in January. Bonds are no less endangered. . . .What we [his immediate family] are doing right now is paying off debts; we’ll sell our home . . .”

    [I’d like to know
    a. where and how he intends to live: pay rent? Surely that’s going to skyrocket, or facilities deteriorate as landlords face crises. imo Senior living centers are not the best option: they will be the first place where vaccination will be enforced.

    b. in what form he proposes to hold assets such as the proceeds from the sale of his house. Is it even safe to keep money in an FDIC bank? What form will money take?]

    In summary: “Epocalypse” is even more real than pandemic, and it’s huge.
    But other nations/states/empires have confronted equally huge. problems and enacted measures that were more and less successful. There ARE options, if reasonable men and women insist on having their reasonable voices heard and acted upon.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  156. @SolontoCroesus

    edit: Augustus Caesar enacted forgiveness of interest, retaining requirement that debtors repay principal and that debtors retain possession of the asset.

    nb. imo such would be a reasonable, equitable and immediately implementable fix for student loans — waive interest payments but require repayment of loaned amount.

    • Replies: @schnellandine
  157. @SolontoCroesus

    waive interest payments but require repayment of loaned amount.

    Look up fractional reserve requirement from when loan was made by a fractional-reservist, and require interest and repayment only on that. Anything more is a scam.

    • Agree: SolontoCroesus
  158. Herald says:

    Once Bill Gates’s fast tracked and lockdown ending “vaccine” has had the required time to do a proper job, then “rotting at home” may well take on a much more literal meaning.

    • Agree: Tsar Nicholas
  159. Anonymous[110] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s certainly a strange phenomenon. It became noticeable when the entertainment industry became willing to insert bald propaganda into their product, even when it was damaging to the bottom line.

    As an example, they seemed perfectly happy to completely destroy the ‘Star Wars’ movie franchise. They hired a bunch of ‘woke’ lesbians to write the film. It makes absolutely no sense from an artistic or financial standpoint. I was amazed that they would willingly mangle such a valuable property, but profit seems to be almost a secondary concern. That is very strange behaviour from a big corporation.

  160. Shalom Aleichem,

    lenin and trotsky were financed by ny capitalists, according to many historians. so nothing new about such alliance b/n forces of left and mammon. as a student of philosophy and being, you should investigate the metaphysical aspects of the strange bed fellows’ behavior. without any need to say it, they both might understand they are moving towards the same ends albeit via different means. do you have the willingness and courage to follow this quest even if it would lead you to a conclusion that is contrary to your most cherished beliefs or tribal heritage?

    “clear thinking requires courage rather than intelligence.” ~ thomas szazs

    so-called 9/11 truth movement: some go as far as claiming planes were not even involved, something witnessed on live tv by millions. could the secret agencies be behind such conspiracy theory? many who feel marginalized are joining islam; are they trying to dissuade them that a few terrorists armed with knives couldn’t cause massive damage? but really why did silverstein change the story after saying on record to pull down bldg 7? this maybe the only mystery…

  161. @Fran Taubman

    I knew it! LOL! How absurd to think that Jews,of all people,would do bad stuff. They’re way too nice!

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