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Introduction by Gilad Atzmon: In order to understand Corbyn/Labour’s devastating defeat you have to examine the limits that define the Left’s delusional intellectual mode of thinking and the reasons why the Working Classes tend to reject the political bodies that claim to care about them. Rarely in history has there been a popular coup against an opposition Party. This is what we saw in Britain last week. In Being in Time I offered an analysis of Left’s detachment. I basically predicted Labour’s catastrophe.

Left ideology is like a dream. Aiming for what ‘ought to be’ rather than ‘what is’, it induces a level of utopian illusory detachment and depicts a phantasmal egalitarian world far removed from our abusive, oppressive and doomed reality. In this phantasmic future, people will just drift away from greed and gluttony, they will work less and learn to share, even to share that which they may not possess to start with.

This imaginary ‘dream’ helps explain why the (Western) Left ideology rarely appealed to the struggling classes, the masses who, consumed by the pursuit of bread and butter, were hardly going to be interested in utopian ‘dreams’ or futuristic social experiments. Bitten by the daily struggle and chased by existence, working people have never really subscribed to ‘the revolution’ usually because often they were just too busy working. This perhaps explains why so often it was the middle class agitators and bourgeois who became revolutionary icons. It was they who had access to that little bit extra to fund their revolutionary adventures.

The ‘Left dream’ is certainly appealing, perhaps a bit too appealing. Social justice, equality and even revolution may really be nothing but the addictive rush of effecting change and this is perhaps why hard-core Leftist agitators often find it impossible to wake from their social fantasy. They simply refuse to admit that reality has slipped from their grasp, preferring to remain in their cosy phantasmal universe, shielded by ghetto walls built of archaic terminology and political correctness.

In fact, the more appealing and convincing the revolutionary fantasy is, the less its supporters are willing to face reality, assuming they’re capable of doing so. This blindness helps explain why the Western ideological Left has failed on so many fronts. It was day-dreaming when the service economy was introduced, and it did not awaken when production and manufacturing were eviscerated. It yawned when it should have combatted corporate culture, big money and its worship, and it dozed when higher education became a luxury. The Left was certainly snoring noisily when, one after the other, its institutions were conquered by New Left Identitarian politics. So, rather than being a unifying force that could have made us all – workers, Black, women, Jews, gays etc. – into an unstoppable force in the battle against big capital, the Left became a divisionary factor, fighting amongst itself. But it wasn’t really the ideologues’ and activists’ fault; the failure to adapt to reality is a flaw tragically embedded in the Left’s very fantasised nature.

If I am right, it is these intrinsically idealistic and illusory characteristics that doom Left politics to failure. In short, that which makes the Left dream so appealing is also responsible for the Left being delusional and ineffectual. But how else could it be? How could such a utopian dream be sustained? I suspect that for Left politics to prevail, humanity would have to fly in the face of the human condition.

And what of the Right? If the Left appears doomed to failure, has the Right succeeded at all? As opposed to the ‘dreamy’ Left, the Right is consumed by reality and ‘concretisation.’ In the light of the globalized, brutal, hard capitalist world in which we live, traditionally conservative laissez-faire seems a naive, nostalgic, peaceful and even poetic thought.

While the Left sleeps, Right-wing insomnia has become a universal disease which has fuelled the new world order with its self-indulgence and greed. How can anyone sleep when there’s money to be made? This was well understood by Martin Scorsese who, in his The Wolf of Wall Street, depicts an abusive culture of sex, cocaine and amphetamine consumption at the very heart of the American capitalist engine. Maybe such persistent greed can be only maintained by addled, drug-induced and over-stimulated brains.

Rejection of fantasy, commitment to the concrete (or shall we say, the search for ‘being’ or ‘essence,’) positions the Right alongside German philosophy. The German idealists’ philosophical endeavour attempts to figure out the essence of things. From a German philosophical perspective, the question ‘what is (the essence of) beauty?’ is addressed by aesthetics. The question ‘what is (the essence of) being?’ is addressed by metaphysics. The questions: ‘what are people, what is their true nature, root and destiny?’ are often dealt with by Right-wing ideologists. It is possible that the deep affinity between Right ideology and German philosophy explains the spiritual and intellectual continuum between German philosophy and German Fascism. It may also explain why Martin Heidegger, one of the most important philosophers in the last millennium, was, for a while at least, a National Socialist enthusiast.

The Right’s obsession with the true nature of things may explain its inclination towards nostalgia on one hand and Darwinist ideologies on the other. Right ideology can be used to support expansionism and imperialism at one time, and isolationism and pacifism at another. Right ideology is occasionally in favour of immigration as good for business, yet can also take the opposite position, calling for protection of its own interests by sealing the borders. The Right can provide war with logos and can give oppression a dialectical as well as ‘scientific’ foundation. Sometimes, a conflict may be justified by ‘growing demand’ and ‘expanding markets.’ Other times, one race is chosen to need living space at the expense of another.

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The Right is sceptical about the prospects for social mobility. For the Right thinker , the ‘slave’ is a slave because his subservient nature is determined biologically, psychologically or culturally. In the eyes of the Left, such views are ‘anti-humanist’ and unacceptable. The Left would counter this essentialist determinism with a wide range of environmental, materialist, cultural criticism and post- colonial studies that produce evidence that slaves do liberate themselves eventually. And the Right would challenge this belief by asking ‘do they really?’

*Source: Being in Time, pg 14

(Republished from Gilad Atzmon by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Spot on. I love this book. I read it the day it arrived. What an incisive and brave mind Gilad Atzmon has!

    • Replies: @Gilad Atzmon
  2. Rebel0007 says:

    This article is just simply incorrect, because the right is just as delusional as the left. That is a non-debateable fact. The right is not capitalist at all. It is a blatant proven lie that it is. The only true capitalists in the west are small business owners that have not been subsidized by the government and pay their employees an actual living wage. I do not know of any such businesses, but that does not mean that they do not exist. Paying sub-par wages is a wealth transfer from the governmentto the business owner, whose employees are receiving government subsidized health care, food, child care, and housing.

    All large corporations in America are receiving Gicantic corporate welfare, paid by the working poor middle class, and depending on tax write-offs, the wealthy.

    There also cannot be capitalism without capital goods, and even without capital, which the fraudsters are attempting to create the illusion of.

    The west is doomed because it cannot tell the truth and survive, because the truth reveals that everything would immediately unravel if the truth was told.

    The truth is, that those who consider themselves to be masters are the destructive parasites that will never allow the truth to see the light of day, because if it did, it would destroy them! The truth is that the masters are just too damn stupid to create capital without the welfare of the state! The truth is that those who consider themselves to be masters are just too damn stupid to create capital without being destructive parasites!

    • Agree: ben sampson
  3. Saggy says: • Website

    Atzmon’s ‘left dream’ has always in reality been dominated by Jews and has been the ‘left con’. See ..

    http://jrbooksonline.com/PDF_Books/Bolshevism_From_Moses_to_Lenin.pdf

    Isaiah 19:2-3 New International Version (NIV)
    2 “I will stir up Egyptian against Egyptian—
    brother will fight against brother,
    neighbor against neighbor,
    city against city,
    kingdom against kingdom.
    3 The Egyptians will lose heart,
    and I will bring their plans to nothing;
    they will consult the idols and the spirits of the dead,
    the mediums and the spiritists.

    Also Churchill … http://www.fpp.co.uk/bookchapters/WSC/WSCwrote1920.html

    This movement among the Jews is not new. From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States), this world-wide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing. It played, as a modern writer, Mrs. Webster, has so ably shown, a definitely recognizable part in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the Nineteenth Century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire.

    • Replies: @Gilad Atzmon
  4. w
    hat the hell is that then?
    is Atzmon still a zionist, on their side? why do they try to shut him down then..to try convince us he is legit, a good go to Jewish guy for us Goy?

    has there ever been a sucessful left, socialist reality in human reality, creatyed by the working classes, that worked in socialist democracy delivering on its reality..create by the people for the people?

    there were few were there not, destroyed, destroyed by the capitalists of the east and the west. the Russian state capitalists destroyed the Hungarian effort in

    Gaddafi’s Libya was a great effort..even Saddams Husseins Iraq. the Iranians are not doing too badly and would be worlds ahead were it not for Zionist intervention using the USA for that purpose

    well humanity has a choice: realists in whatever way, all of which ways are really insane, the Right, capitalism is suicidal. and if the power behind capitalism is to keep its wealth and go on they must create a Brave New World to try to stop evolution, make all humanity permanently stupid, a stupidty they will pass on by their genes to their young, if they are allowed to survive at all..so they can never again challenge the rich, the elite, for social supremacy

    I dont know but I see a physical reality, a natural one..nature.. that plays by rules, movement,motion that traduces capitalism and its purpose and intent. no matter what capitalism cannot go on indefinitely..and any factsimile of Brave New Wrold created for that purpose, will simly speed up human extinction taking with it too the creators of the ‘Brave New World’.

    the only way for humanity to go on indefinitely in nature is for humans to win or achive it’s next stage of positive development or evolution, by putting an end to capitalism which social organization at this point serves no useful human purpose..has produced a concentration of evil and opposed social purposes and potential that threatens right now to eliminate Humanity from nature..and at the same time or in the process of ending capitalism, a socialism, or socialims around the world are created

    it is my argument and case that humanity will not survive if such democracy, or socialisms are not achieved.. and soon too. at this stage of capitalist degradation the capitalist elites have achieved and display a level of insanity that is truly stunning. watching Trump led around by his nose by the Zionists is riveting!

    watching the search for war with Russia is also mind boggling..insane. what do they think.. that such a war will be limited to weapons that wont destroy the planet? what the hell do they have in mind looking for war with Russia?

    realists eh! the Right! the capitalists are right nuts..unfit for survival, their time is over! they appear to know this and may want to take us all with them.

    • Replies: @Daniel Rich
  5. Onebornfree says: • Website

    Johnson is just more “soft” communism. It’s sad to watch “the right” be so easily fooled into thinking otherwise- but really, they’ve all fooled themselves, as per usual.

    The exact same happened here with Trump in the US.

    Meanwhile, both governments get bigger by the day and pass more laws, invent evermore taxes, and destroy more freedoms.

    I can’t wait till the day when the idiots “on the right”, on both sides of the Atlantic finally wake up and realize that once again , they’ve all been fooled.

    No, I take that back, the idiots will never wake up. And so it goes…….

    “Regards”onebornfree

  6. I would sum up the Left’s tragedy thus: winning is a rightwing value. It is inappropriate for a Leftist to engage in competitions, and, should he do it, it is shameful for him to win.

    • Replies: @animalogic
  7. @Rebel0007

    This article is just simply incorrect, because the right is just as delusional as the left.

    Politics is the ‘duct tape’ trying to keep a society glued together, whereas it is in need of a solid and justified framework, without the strangulation and limitations of Political Correctness.

    ‘Trannies demand Women to give Up on their Menstrual Cycles’ for a just world, you know the drill…

  8. @ben sampson

    realists eh! the Right! the capitalists are right nuts..unfit for survival, their time is over! they appear to know this and may want to take us all with them.

    Given we’re all wired differently [have a good look around the table during Christmas dinners], it will be neigh impossible to find a single and all encompassing solution that makes everyone feel happy and included.

    Money [and the inequality that so happily tugs along with it] is the poison running through the veins of mankind.

    I don’t claim to have the answers and solutions, but I think it will help if ‘we’ [collectively] look at this world as a place we all live in, instead of acting like singularly focused individuals, that elbow their way to the greenback trough.

    • Replies: @ben sampson
  9. Mighty fine. Lucid.

    I didn’t say I agree. Have to chew it over…

    Chock fulla content, though. Probably nutritious.

  10. Does anyone understand the below comments?

    So, rather than being a unifying force that could have made us all – workers, Black, women, Jews, gays etc. – into an unstoppable force in the battle against big capital, the Left became a divisionary factor, fighting amongst itself. But it wasn’t really the ideologues’ and activists’ fault; the failure to adapt to reality is a flaw tragically embedded in the Left’s very fantasised nature.

    No really what happened is the left divided into two, one pro Israel and the other anti Zionist but more compelling these anti zionist morphed into a giant conspiracy that there exist a Jewish cabal that runs the world. In fact if it wasn’t for Jew power, the Jew lobby and Jew control of the media the truth will come out and finely the world will come to its sense evict the Jews from Israel ending the occupation of Palestine by the imperialistic supremacist racist Jews. And viola!! the world would return to normal and be at peace. And the evil Talmudic Jews will finally be defeated to save Christendom and Islam.

    No matter how much Gilad prevaricates to tell us that he knows the truth has always no the truth and predicated the outcome of the defeat of the Labour party years ago. The Jew conspiracy ideology has bit the dust never to be seen or discussed again by any major political party and will be reassigned to the fringe where it belongs.

    The Left would counter this essentialist determinism with a wide range of environmental, materialist, cultural criticism and post- colonial studies that produce evidence that slaves do liberate themselves eventually. And the Right would challenge this belief by asking ‘do they really?’

    No Gilad the Right and the Left will call bullshit racism in the form of a Jewish power conspiracy what it is bullshit. Good luck moving forward politically with your ideology and come clean and admit your ideas were defeated as well.

  11. Toward the end of Soviet occupied GDR, when the red utopia of a worker’s and peasant paradise( as it was officially called) came crashing down, and many Soviet Jews left to US, Britain and Israel, they called it the “real existing socialism”, to differentiate from the red theory, which obviously had failed and produced immensely angry people, sick of the red and masonic universalist and collectivist BS and their idiotic pipe dreams, which is of course rooted in Jewry.

  12. @Fran Taubman

    It’s mildly ironic that you’re here policing poor Gilad; the goyim are running amok elsewhere right here on this site:

    https://www.unz.com/article/vulture-capitalism-is-jewish-capitalism/

    I find your behavior curiously dysfunctional. Is your concern to stop anti-semitism — or is it merely to whip straying Jews back into line?

    In any case, I’m genuinely curious to see if anyone can rebut Joyce’s assertions. Perhaps it’s rigging the game to pick you as the champion of Judentum — but see if you can find someone more qualified to have a go.

    I’ll be watching; should I just believe Mr. Joyce?

  13. Rebel0007 says:

    @Danial Rich

    Danial Rich,
    All economic systems have equal potential for failure because of the failings of human nature. That will never change. Artificial Intelligence will not change that. People do not want to be dominated by robots either! It is just an exploitative get rich quick scheme for the tech industry that it will be able to resolve the problems of the human condition and struggle.

    As a starting point, if you are inclined, I suggest this:

    Escaping The Matrix of Logical Falacies
    https://rebel0007com.wordpress.com/2018/07/01/escaping-the-matrix-of-logical-fallacies/

    • Replies: @Daniel Rich
  14. @Colin Wright

    It’s mildly ironic that you’re here policing poor Gilad; the goyim are running amok elsewhere right here on this site:

    I really do not like nor agree with what Gilad’s philosophy that Jewish behavior causes Jewish hatred. He is very self important claiming genius with all the answers. People on this site express their opinion they are entitled, and make no such claims.

    I find your behavior curiously dysfunctional. Is your concern to stop anti-semitism — or is it merely to whip straying Jews back into line?

    You say stupid shit like this all the time. My reasons are my business. You can read and make your opinions. If my thoughts are so dysfunctional why not move on to more functional opinions. I find you incoherent as you correct my grammar and spelling. Like you don’t have the intellect to challenge the ideas.

    I’ll be watching; should I just believe Mr. Joyce?

    Well Joyce is white nationalist so his deck is loaded for conclusions. All things lead to Jew control for nefarious reasons. He is correct that most hedge fund managers are Jewish owned, and there are a lot of Jews in finance.

    Sort of a Jewish club. But you can try for it. If you are good you can be a Hedge Fund manager. The proof is in the results. It is not discriminatory field, no one stops non Jews from being Hedge Fund managers.

    Why is the field of finance controlled by Jews? Well the answer is long and complex. To cut to the chase scene my answer is:

    The same reason the NBA is mostly African American?

    • Replies: @flashlight joe
  15. @Fran Taubman

    ‘…No really what happened is the left divided into two, one pro Israel and the other anti Zionist…’

    Fran…the only people who are ‘pro-Israel’ are Islamophobic bigots, Jews, and Evangelicals.

    Everyone else is just intimidated.

    …so when the roof suddenly falls in, don’t act surprised. Your shitty little Neo-Nazi paradise will vanish as fast as the Airbuses can land at Ben Gurion and fill up.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  16. “Right ideology can be used to support expansionism and imperialism at one time, and isolationism and pacifism at another. Right ideology is occasionally in favour of immigration as good for business, yet can also take the opposite position, calling for protection of its own interests by sealing the borders.”

    Truer words were never said you stupid so-called “conservatives” and you stupider so-called “libertarians.” You really have no consistent point of view. You just have a bunch of dumbass vague prejudices and preferences that are oh, so easy for The Fuckers In Charge to take advantage of, because they can yank you one way and then yank you another like nobody’s business, simple with a few buzzwords and scapegoats. Fools.

    (And by the way, he’s right about the modern Left, too. But not the old Left. The old Left had a program and stuck to it. Taking money from the rich and giving it to the rest of us. Which is the only real ideology worthy of the name. Now watch one of you cretins defend rich people, as if they have “earned” their stolen fortunes.)

  17. @Colin Wright

    Everyone else is just intimidated.

    Lol everyone is Pussies. You are too funny.

    Keep track of the right and alt right. They keep winning elections.
    Israel is not on peoples radar, and they are not anti or pro, they do not care.
    They want good jobs, education and better lives for their children.
    No one is intimidated. Dang you are nuts.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  18. Rebel0007 says:

    @Dan Rich

    Dan Rich,
    I think that politicians are the problem right now. The politicians are keeping a decaying corrupt system, which includes them on life support.

    I don’t know. Being attacked on all sides by the system isn’t helping, but being part of an obviously dying system and defending those that destroyed our country would obviously not help anyone of any value to this country.

    The faked 9/11 attacks and failure to prosecute those guilty of treason and the cover-up is all of the proof that I need to know that this country is dead meat.

    They will probably start a war with Russia or China to try to evade accountability, but the Genie is already out of the bottle.

    I would’nt put it past them to blow up the whole country, rather than kill themselves or run like hell!

    They have proven to be totally insane by all measures.

  19. @Rebel0007

    As a starting point, if you are inclined, I suggest this:

    Escaping The Matrix of Logical Falacies

    Sure. I’ll give it a shot.

  20. @Saggy

    The Left is , at large, a Jerusalemite adventure, even if the Left insight is Athenian the Left experience reduces that insight into a quasi religious apparatus defined by a set of dogmans and cliches ,,,,

  21. @Rebel0007

    Spot on.
    The simple fact is, the Left has been defeated. Defeated, mainly because the Right has had the patience to slowly boil the frog (in the west) rather than simply smash it. And yes, the Left itself has lost itself up it’s own arsehole (ie PC).
    The real left is delusional in the sense that it simply lacks the means to effect change. Even the pseudo-left such as Corbyn is out there with angels on pin heads. Anyway, REALITY is likely to catch up with all of us sooner rather than later….Or not.

  22. @Colin Wright

    In any case, I’m genuinely curious to see if anyone can rebut Joyce’s assertions.

    This debate is between two camps: one discusses questions in this order: ‘what was the action’, ‘where/when was the action’, ‘who acted’, ‘why they acted’, ‘how they acted’..

    The other side goes for ‘who is the writer’, ‘why they write’, ‘how they write’, ‘who is being written about’, ‘why they are being written about’, ‘how they are being written about’.. the what/where/when is generally ignored.

    The former is a factual approach, the latter is the inquisitional, conjectural approach. The conjectural approach will keep conceiving of the character of the writer or the actors, without ever using the direct evidence of their action to support their evidence. If a debater of the factual approach sticks to the facts, and ignores taking the bait on the inquisition, then generally the inquisitor just moves on.

    What you get is two discussions, that are orthogonal to each other. That’s my general observation anyways.. I presume that since there is no evolution in the debate, the a-scientific side suffers defeat abruptly, when the facts are so self evident, anyone starting a which hunt is just ostracised. I think we are getting closer and closer to this point on this issue!

    • Agree: Daniel Rich
  23. @Brás Cubas

    With the exception of Lenin, Mao, Castro, Ho & Kim etc. The real Left does know how to win. Luckily there is no real Left… left….

  24. @Rebel0007

    The only true capitalists in the west are small business owners that have not been subsidized by the government and pay their employees an actual living wage.

    Capitalism is not concerned with wages. It is concerned with capital. Workers are viewed as commodities in the market-place. (One cure for that is to have workers own a share of the business.)

    What has happened is that as governments have grown in scope and size, capital has moved into the scam business–because that is where the money is. The scam business is FIRE (financial, insurance, real estate), government contracts, marketing/public relations, and other “virtual” businesses. They produce nothing–their goal is to leech off the production of anyone dumb enough to continue producing actual physical stuff.

    Ideology is not our friend–left or right. Observing what is in front of our faces is a much better plan.

  25. Rebel0007 says:

    @Justvisiting

    Justvisiting,

    The saying goes that in under capitalism, man exploits man. Under socialism, it’s just the opposite.

    The large corporations in America are totally corrupt and incompetent and are an enormous burden on society. Keeping these corporations on life support is stupid. They are corrupt, incompetent, incapable, disorganized bureaucracies. They are also rife with years of personal vendettas of office politics. They will never be productive. There is just simply to much sabotage taking place. It would be like expecting congress to suddenly change.

    Profit sharing would not help. I’ve seen this before.

  26. @Daniel Rich

    “I don’t claim to have the answers and solutions, but I think it will help if ‘we’ [collectively] look at this world as a place we all live in, instead of acting like singularly focused individuals, that elbow their way to the greenback trough.

    my thoughts are: the answer lies in the replacement of minority interests in the social driver seats everywhere in the world, by popular mjaority interests

    somehow society must find a way for the majority interest to dominate society, to find expression in meeting popular need on all levels of life. that would set humanity on the right course in answer to the question we face: how do we survive indefinitely in nature in this here evolutionary reality?

    no miority dominated dispensation can deal with that question: only the people in democracy can!

    • Replies: @Onebornfree
    , @Daniel Rich
  27. @Fran Taubman

    Fran, you’re the queen of non-sequiturs.

    Fran: ‘…No really what happened is the left divided into two, one pro Israel and the other anti Zionist…’

    Alright: everyone is either pro- or anti-Israel. Maybe so. But then…

    Fran: ‘…Israel is not on peoples radar, and they are not anti or pro, they do not care…’

    But wait, you just said…

    It must be that intellectual heft again. The subtleties are just too much for us poor gentiles.

    The awful truth is that you just keep saying whatever sounds good, without regard to external reality (vide your claim that Jews are opposed to the Left) or even what you yourself just said.

    In other words, and to put it bluntly, you’re a babbling idiot.

  28. Onebornfree says: • Website
    @ben sampson

    ben sampson says: “my thoughts are: the answer lies in the replacement of minority interests in the social driver seats everywhere in the world, by popular mjaority interests”

    “somehow society must find a way for the majority interest to dominate society”

    Your “thoughts” eh, Benny ? Spoken like [yet another] true, commie/fascist /“if I ruled the world” dunderhead.

    Keep em coming, Ben, you [and many -like-“minded” slaves here] are always good for a laugh, at the very least. 🤪

    “Regards” onebornfree

    • Replies: @ben sampson
  29. @Onebornfree

    hahahaha! thats funny OBF! it may be you do not have a proper understanding of what I mean.

    the ordinary people and their inherent principle of democracy must dominate society. such domination would find expression in the social infrastructure that wouldsave our species from extinction, win for humanity a real chance in nature.

    what do you have in mind to accomplish that task..at this day and stage when the writing appears to be on the wall..or the fat lady is tuning her pipes ready peal the last tones?

  30. look here we have had revolutionary uprisings that went as they were supposed to at the start. In 1917 the Russian people did their work but the manipulators were there from the start..and the peoples revolution was beaten back, betrayed by the Party of the day… the Bolsheviks

    well that is what has happened all the way with revolutionary activity by the people. in 1956 the Hungarians begged for the support and protection of the world: “we will astonish the world with what we will achieve as workers creating a democratic society, meeting all needs etc.’ but the Russians had to be kept at Bay. we know what happened then

    look at how many lessons in all of that activity to learn for more than a century now. from all of that we know what to do now… the reaction will be there of course, and this time we can identify it, must identify and eliminate it as we go. this time the reaction will no joke even if the Russian sitution ws turned into a blood bath for the people. this time the whole human population will pay severely..we will beengineed into compliane with the interest of the power..that is those who are allowed to live

    the democray humanity needs to survive is in the popular interest and how that be creativley exprseed in socil organzation as we go. it does not reside in any minority interest. there are exploitative minority interest dominating the globe and sub ones in lots of countries. insoluble social problems as a result, endless social problems no end in sight. only democracy can solve social problems, only real democracy

    so byexperience glean that there is a counter to the popular interest in minority control andminority control is always ready to defend its domination. and we know that this is permanent clash of interest but it always evolves until it arrives at a point of qualitative change. and that is where we are at at the moment.

    what are the options we face? definitely the end of capitalism and the minority power’s struggle to save its wealth and social domination. how can that be accomplished: only by enslavement of the people, the ordianry people, depopulation, trying to eliminate the popular will as revolutionary potential..which is the Brave New World thing

    but that is the saving option..that the popularity will effect by and through revolutionary activity.

    and now that we have had at least a century of experience we know where the reaction resides. so if the people move, they have enough organization already, right now, to move without the need of any political party of any ideology. the people do not need tha..donot need any od dam political ledership by any minorityorganzation. the people can move spontaneously in revolutionary activity

    and especially in a long crisis and oppositon every wher to the status quo..a developing consciousness of the totality of the crisis, of the historical development of the peopels struggles.. Yellow Vests here and like-minded movements everywhere..total consciousnes percolating. the people aware of their own individual struggless and experience as working people..it can gel into a spontaneous conscious revolutionary activity that expresses the democratic option or potential in the general social crisis of this day, age, inter-generational conjunction.

    Finally the ordianry folk, inclduing the working classes have the legs and means to go all the way in revolution, smashing the counter revolution and reaction to bits, burying it finally and emerging into full democracy in human reality

    the key is spontaniety, eschewing all political parties. the people must take care to make sure they undertsand where the counter revolution lives.. and the politcial parties are a major source and location for the minority backlash.

    the people must understand that their creativity of the structures that will govern them from then on must be of their own creation, in reponse to their collective needs.. period. the people need no direction from any minority organized parties at all..they must create as they go in response to their needs. theirneeds current, historically/experience, are the driver and guide and discipling factor in their movment.

    and they must eliminate promptly, immediatley all eruptions of counter revolutionary activity as they pop up..identify such sources and neutralize them

    all the means of production must function in the interest of the social needs of community, city state and nation. and the people through the ograns of functionality they create and keep streamlining as they go are the arbiters of society. there will be no more private production, ended not by laws but by the action of the people taking over industry and running industry in the popular purpose. all needs will be met and the popular organization of such a process is immediate of course, spontaneous in response to urgent needs the people face.. and on-going period. private production is done

    that is one way to achieve the popular will-idea as socially dominant..taking over the day, the stage in crisis before the crisis works out in permanent minority social domination.. in which case the people inherit hell for all eternity at the hands of the so called capitalists..at least the ‘eternity’ that remains in the Zionist Brave New World that will be created to carryout minority needs for the securityoftheir wealth and social domination, before it speedily succumbs itself, and humanity is no more.

    Brave New World will only speed up human extinction..not win for humanity an indefinite stay in nature. only popular democracy, by the people for the people, can achieve that for humanity

  31. Onebornfree says: • Website

    Ben Sampson says: “the ordinary people and their inherent principle of democracy must dominate society. “.

    Yeah right! -Hah, hah, frickin’ hah 😂

    “Democracy is the art and science of running the circus from the monkey cage. ‘H. L. Mencken

    “Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance.”H. L. Mencken

    “The cure for the evils of democracy is more democracy.” H. L. Mencken

    “Liberty and democracy are eternal enemies, and every one knows it who has ever given any sober reflection to the matter.” H. L. Mencken

    “Regards” onebornfree

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  32. @Onebornfree

    what are you a Mencken monster. try asking a question..like what is my impression of democracy?
    what is the democracy of the peopleI talk about?

    well when Ilook at the ordianry folk I see needs that cannotbe and will not be met by exploitative social orgnization. all such organization have their purposes..none ofwhich coincides with the popular need or interest. there successisbasedon taking from the people..not to foster the people to look after themselves..but to siphon off thepeoples labor for the profit of an exploiting minority

    how can the peoples needs be met?

    that is the issue..an no matter how that is twisted you end up with thepeople having to do it themselves, andin theprocess creating way thiscn be done..discovering he ways it can be done and creating the most relevnt way for themselves on the day

    that is what I mean by democracy… simply because it is a system geared to meet all need, provide work for all in meeting general need on all levels of existence. there is no model handed down, idealized in the creation of great minds etc, humanity creating ways that arepossible in nature as we go to meet all needs, secure development, evolution..by the people in control of the means of existence that they themselves created but were appropriated by the dominant minority at any point along the way

    is that what Mencken had in mind?

    its what I have in my mind: and if the people make mistakes so what. look at what we have been dealing with by the minorities in charge for so long now. and they were not making mistakes. they were deliberate and with purpose..like the whole world wars murderous/destructive, depopulation issue..for profit and social control.. elongating/development of social control

  33. Ben Sampson says: “the ordinary people and their inherent principle of democracy must dominate society. “.

    when I say that its like vested interest. the minority dominates for itself. the minority self-interest is inherent in the process. thats the way it is. anyone who expects anythng different would be wrong.

    we know how that goes. it is the same for the majority united in being exploited the world over for ages and ages. as such the majority is in desperate need, has now where to run to, turn to nothing. the majority has one option only..and that is to take over society and run it to produce what they need to survive

    and in doing so they cannot create another minority dictatorship. that is not inherent in their needs, organization, movement etc.what is inherent meeting the needs of the majority by organization and use of the means available to accomplish that purpose.

    that is what I mean by inherent democracy: their purpose is in the state of existence as an exploited class ofpeople, the majority in theworld, the solution of which is collective and only collective….cant be anything else

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  34. @ben sampson

    here is america talking..ordinary americans!
    is that for real?
    but that is what I mean! it is popssible for such sentiment to catalyze socially and produce a storm that sweeps away all the supposedly impregnable Jewish/Zionist power in the USA.
    all things have beginning and end

    https://russia-insider.com/en/swamp-has-lost-consent-governed-10-truths-which-are-obvious-american-people/ri28070

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  35. @ben sampson

    my thoughts are: the answer lies in the replacement of minority interests in the social driver seats everywhere in the world, by popular mjaority interests

    I have been a minority most of life [as a foreigner living/working in/on foreign lands], so I appreciate it if a government shields me from potential abuse. However, it would be ridiculous for me to expect the country I reside in, to change its ways/laws, simply because I’m needy.

    Russia leads the way, with its vastness [13 time zones – 9 official], its cultural differences [Russia is home to at least 190 ethnic groups – BBC]. 77.7% of the population is Russian and they rule.

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  36. @ben sampson

    Only problem is there is no “centralized” Jewish power with one thesis for control in America.
    Jews are divided as every one else.

    You not only have a straw man. You have a circular foreign squad. No pun for whom ever was hypothetically wanted bullets In the head.
    Why don’t you fight for the ideas you want and stop shooting at bogeyman. Unless you are talking about George Soros. Who I would not mind seeing go down.

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  37. @Fran Taubman

    take it easy Taubman! my ideas stand up on their own already and if valid will stand the test of time

    Jews are contiguous with the form capitalism has evolved into with Israel as their state. we know Jewish behavior for centuries as a collective social Bogey man. that is what I flay..the utterly reprehensible behavior of most Jews in the world for far too long now.

    it may be that Jews are giving the rest humanity no choice but to try to eliminate Jews. but tht is not my purpose or interest. my purpose is to contribute to an end of capitalism and all forms of exploitation in human affairs and relations..and the creation of democratic society as I have tried to describe it.. with adjustments, changes and revisions as we go, that reality and experienc determines

    exploitation collared and eliminated, conditions established that foster only the further development and evolution of society, by all for all, there will be no more exploitative formations ever. all can live on and find their way in such a reality, confident, secure, developing in contribution to the overall effort of human indefinite survival in nature

  38. @Daniel Rich

    by minority in this issue I do not mean ethnicity as such, but its a lil ticklish because the dominations we have known have been and are consistent with ethnic domination.but it is important to get into the naunces to try to define it properly

    europe expanded into the world..fostered racism that placed the European, then the English white man as #1, suerior to all others. but it was then as it is now only a fraction of those dominant white men who actually controlled it all and ran it all in their interests alone.

    the majority of white English people for eg, some of whom may have benefited from all the conquest and exploitation were often just as exploited as the rest of the world by the white male British elites..a fact often hidden by white racisn and sense of superiority over the others in the world

    sothere is really one small minority in the mix who control and run everything according to and in the interest of that minority. that is what I mean by minority..minority interests really

    there are other minority interest that threaten minority social control..political parties, militaries etc. if you notice none of these produce wealth that they need to feed themselves..but they occupy social positions with power they can use to command and take thewealththey need or want for themselves. thats robbery, corruption, distatorship…and they are all minority interests that can estabish domination over society to feed themselves

    the minority does not or did not go out to create ethnic domination I dont think..at least not in every instance. success required creative social innovation to max out and preserve success..so we get racism.

    a group may be created by collective experience of a negative equality,forcing them to huddle for survival and respond collectively to the enth degree..ultimately finding themselves in position of social power and exploitation of others.

    and in such example we think of small ethnic minorites under the boot of dominating power for a long long time. but the group of humans under dominating boots for the longest time are the majority of humans..ordianry people of every race creed and color on planet earth. and that experience by now should have cut us all into the required shape to take over society as we must to first guarantee general survival, and at same time revolutionize it

    by now we all are aware that race, religion and all manner of divisive tactic have been used to hide the fact of social exploitation of the majority by the few..that it is the controlling minorites who do not work orproduce anything at all, who tell lies, teach lies, create lies, and means to fool and control the people, and to divide them all, in order to continue stealing their labor. so it is the minority interest that has evolved all along with society/humanity that are still dominant and the soruce of all human insecurity, suffering, war and waste of reasources and human life by the millions killed all the time in wars for profit and for depopulation etc.

    ..

  39. @Fran Taubman

    ok I have been back over all I have said and indeed I have been undue with my ‘focus’ on Jews, zionist etc. but this is not to lighten your burden whatever it is. I did not create it for you and I am not happy about Jewish activity in the world. I dont think any victim is..with Palestine, control of the USA and all the Meditaranean wars, financial games, usury etc.

    but as I mention usury some defence for Jewish financial activity comes to mind: I dont know middleclass to upper middle class white and Black people in their living concentrations have not responsed to financial usury as yet… but why not? it seems so easy and postive for them to do so, I am shocked

    here is a white middle class neighborhood, seguinginto an upper middle class one. full of mortgages, professionals of all sorts, up and comers all round..how come they have no created their own cooperative banks and financed themslves all the way..while seeking and making common cause with the ordianry people of the towns nearby, to solidify their efforts to save their efforts politically?

    oh my! get out of the banks before they collapse and confiscate all their deposits, while they themselves must retain their debts..especially credit card debts.. and repay them?

    take out their deposits and put them into their own cooperative banks..that they run themselves..one man one vote at meetings. transfer all their mortages as well and finance themselves. make all the interest for themselves on their own investments. issue their own credit cards to themselves..all legal and lawful. it is legal everywhere for the people to set up their own cooperative banks..dont they know that? in the space of 3 years all neighborhoods in the USA can be safe in their own hands by setting up their own banking…while getting into the politics at city/state/fed levels to elect their reps to look after their interests at the capitols

    Making common cause with the towns the banks can get involved in business investments that employ lots of people, getting then to vote in concert to get the ‘independent’ reps they choose, elected to the city, state and fed governments. in that way the people can revolutionize the country by the politics. if they are stymied by the passage of ridiculous undemocratic laws and executive orders, and cant get them changed, then the situation can get dicey out on the streets

    there is no need for political parties at all. thepaerty beocmes the city, the stateand theinterest of the people through the reps they choose and send to the governments. looktomake legaldealswith the reps that makes them liable for any betrayal and corruption they get into that render them unable to carry out the dictates of those who sent them there

    that is how to stop financial usury at all levels. in 4 years Washington could be cleaned up, the Repugs and Demorats dead..not one of them ever elected again..a real president in place from outside any political parties and established groups ofinfluence mongers. in fact political party affiliation becomes a kiss of death for any politican

    if middle class people stood up and acted truly, efficiently and accurately in theircollective self interest they can take over america really quick enough and reform itfrom the top down and then the ground up in all probability without a war on the streets

  40. Anon[353] • Disclaimer says:

    And the Right would challenge this belief by asking ‘do they really?’

    🙂 The part of them that has what it takes do, certainly.

  41. @Fran Taubman

    “I really do not like nor agree with what Gilad’s philosophy that Jewish behavior causes Jewish hatred.”

    That is not philosophy; that is an empirical observation.

  42. @ben sampson

    “what do you have in mind to accomplish that task.”

    A great step towards freedom and prosperity is to get rid of the federal income tax on jobs. This tax is collected by line #1 of the 1040 income tax form. Delete line #1.

  43. @ben sampson

    the ordinary people and their inherent principle of democracy must dominate society

    No sale.

    Democracy is what has led to the current situation, and the present situation will get inexorably worse until the system collapses.

    There are a few readily-identifiable reasons why democracy cannot possibly do what its advocates claim. They claim that it can determine ‘what society wants’ or words to that effect.

    That claim is nonsense, the first few reasons will do for now:

    ① the social welfare function cannot be determined by aggregating individual ordinal expressions of preferences – that is true even if people get to vote directly on every single issue;
    ② in ‘representative’ democracy, conditions of ‘representativeness‘ cannot be satisfied by any vote-counting mechanism;
    ③ megalomaniacal sociopaths have a very distinct advantage in electoral contests: they are intensely goal-oriented and have no aversion to lying in order to get short-horizon dummies to vote for them;
    ④ the vast bulk of people are too stupid to work out that the political means is a gigantic grift, and do not have the cognitive grunt to work out when the sociopaths they elected at ③ above have violated their trust by omission or commission (i.e., failed to do what they promised, or done things outside their remit – including things they promised they would not do).

    The key thing about ④ is that policies do things over time; at the point that a vote is cast, 99.5% of the population has no idea what the actual costs and benefits of any moderate-scale policy will be… including the people who propose the policy (although for the people who propose the policy, they have a perfect understanding of who they intend to give the money to, and that’s always fulfilled).

    Anyone who advocates for democracy, is demanding a coercive system where sociopaths force the demos to fund the transfer of staggering amounts of wealth to the cronies of the polis.

    Being too stupid to think through the predictable consequences of such a system, they mischaracterise it as somehow more benevolent than dictatorship or aristocracy.

    It’s not: it’s actually more parasitic that those alternatives: it reaches further into the pockets of the demos, and transfers a larger amount to the polis and its cronies.

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