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We learned today that Israel’s UN ambassador Danny Dannon told AIPAC that Bernie Sanders is an ‘ignorant fool, a liar or both. “We don’t want Sanders at AIPAC. We don’t want him in Israel…Whoever calls the prime minister of Israel a ‘racist’ is either a liar, an ignorant fool, or both,” Ambassador Dannon announced.

The evidence of Israel’s racism and Netanyahu’s government’s racialist policies is, unfortunately, conclusive. One can look at Netanyahu’s government’s approach to Black migrants. Or examine the racist Israeli national bill. This leads one to wonder what motivated Ambassador Dannon to act so ‘undiplomatically,’ by attacking the Democratic Party frontrunner for expressing a reasoned criticism of Israel and its PM?

But even before we can get to that question, we have to consider what the same Israeli media outlets have informed us. In a leaked recording, Netanyahu senior adviser Natan Eshel, revealed that “hate is what unites” the Israeli right-wing and it “works well on non-Ashkenazi voters.”

Eshel, a former Netanyahu chief of staff who resigned amid allegations of sexual misconduct, continues to work with the Israeli PM, and last year led the two coalition negotiations.

In the recording, Eshel explains that Likud minister (and former IDF Spokeswoman) Miri Regev is “excellent” at “stirring up” Likud supporters. Eshel refers to Regev as “an animal,” but notes her tactics work very well in “drumming up the crowd.”

It is reasonable to think that Ambassador Dannon’s description of Sen. Sanders served a similar purpose: to drum up the AIPAC crowd. And, of course, the British Jewish media together with Jewish pressure groups and the Israeli Lobby have, since 2017, also used this technique to ignite their crowd’s hatred of the Labour party and its leader Jeremy Corbyn. Some people, so it seems, are united by hate.

Netanyahu’s senior adviser’s leaked recording shines a light on the ever- growing Jewish fear of antisemitism. Those who are so easily ‘united by hate’ tend to believe that others are also similarly hateful. The Jewish fear of antisemitism can be seen as projection. Those who are ‘united by hate,’ may well attribute their own hatefulness to their neighbours whether they are Palestinians, Labour voters, or even the Democratic frontrunner.

What we see is a lethal snowball of loathing and fear: the more hateful one happens to be, the more one is tormented by imagining that the Other is afflicted by the same hatefulness.

Jesus Christ diagnosed this very dangerous trait amongst his brethren. His solution was shocking, if simple. Instead of stockpiling weapons, he preached that his followers turn the other cheek: take a step forward, love your neighbour, break away from the vicious circle, seek peace and harmony.

The fate of Jesus is known to us all. The fate of those who try to preach peace to Israelis and Zionists isn’t exactly a secret either.

(Republished from Gilad Atzmon by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. I don’t know Gilad Christians stockpile a lot of weapons. Christians dropped the bomb on Hiroshima. Context is everything.

  2. Netanyahu’s senior adviser’s leaked recording shines a light on the ever- growing Jewish fear of antisemitism. Those who are so easily ‘united by hate’ tend to believe that others are also similarly hateful. The Jewish fear of antisemitism can be seen as projection. Those who are ‘united by hate,’ may well attribute their own hatefulness to their neighbours whether they are Palestinians, Labour voters, or even the Democratic frontrunner.

    This certainly helps to explain the pathology of our resident zionists who descend regularly upon your discussion threads. One of them has openly stated that were it not for anti-Semitism, he wouldn’t be Jewish — a frank admission that his worldview is dependent upon perceived antagonism (which is actually nothing more than a projection of his own).

    A little off-topic, but I had a chance to listen to some of your music recently. Quite an enjoyable sojourn, Mr. Atzmon. Thank you.

    • Replies: @Gilad Atzmon
  3. Kali says:

    Yesterday, in a comment on your previous article, My Struggle, Gilad, and in response to 2 of our regular hasbara trolls, Fran and Aaron, I suggested that the only available course of action for “israel” is the “utter destruction” of all Palestinians.

    How else could “israel” rest, safe and secure on the land it has taken from them by force and terror?

    And it follows that all opponents of “israel”, be they Jewish, Muslim, Christian, etc, must also perish if “israel” and its supporters are to feel secure.

    The hasbra line at the moment seems to be that “israel” will generously finance and assist the resettlement of Palestinians elsewhere (out of kindness, love and generosity, of course). But anyone spinning this line, or swallowing such nonsence needs to engage in just a modicum of critical thinking: does it make sense that “israel” will risk allowing its enemies, particularly of Palestinian descent, to live in peace and prosperity, when at any time those enemies of zion may regroup and, by fair means or foul, threaten the physical existence of “israel” on land stolen from them?

    For “israel” to live, its enemies must die, seems to be the logical conclusion, unless there is something I’m missing?

    And the question remains; what’she to be done?

    With love,
    Kali.

  4. kikl says:

    “Those who are ‘united by hate,’ may well attribute their own hatefulness to their neighbours whether they are Palestinians, Labour voters, or even the Democratic frontrunner.

    What we see is a lethal snowball of loathing and fear: the more hateful one happens to be, the more one is tormented by imagining that the Other is afflicted by the same hatefulness.”

    So true, on the one hand it is psychological projection. Most people accused of antisemitism are not antisemitic. On the other hand it is a self fulfilling prophecy. You cannot love someone who hates you. It is indeed a vicious circle.

    This is what Jesus means when he says: Mathew 5:43 ““You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[i] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. ”

    Jesus is citing Leviticus 19:18. Remember that Jesus is adressing fellow Jews.

    I am not a Christian, I left church. But, I think that it is obvious what Jesus is talking about and Gilad nailed it.

    • Replies: @Omegabooks
  5. @Fran Taubman

    The pilot who dropped the bomb was Jewish (son of Jewish mother).
    The man who developed the bomb was Jewish
    Jewish hate provoked the war

    Paul Tibbets, who piloted the plane that dropped the first atomic bomb, has died at age 92.
    https://apjjf.org/-Peter-J.-Kuznick/2642/article.html

    On Aug. 6, 1945, Tibbets’ B-29 dropped the nearly five-ton bomb on the Japanese city of Hiroshima.
    Tibbets always insisted that he did not have regrets. He told NPR in 2000 that the suggestion that the atomic attack was morally wrong was “hogwash.”
    . . .
    The blast killed between 70,000 and 100,000 people and injured countless others.

    The historic mission was the first use of nuclear weaponry in war.

    Defending the Indefensible: A Meditation on the Life of Hiroshima Pilot Paul Tibbets, Jr.
    https://apjjf.org/-Peter-J.-Kuznick/2642/article.html

    He named the plane after his mother, Enola Gay Haggard, formerly of Glidden, Iowa but at the time of Miami, Florida. His father had objected strenuously when he left school to join the Army Air Corps. His mother, however, gave him her blessing and encouragement. He showed his appreciation for her support by forever associating her with what would become the most controversial, flight in history.. . .
    Over the next 11 months, Tibbets remained involved in most aspects of planning. He made several trips to Los Alamos and met with J. Robert Oppenheimer on at least three occasions. He was fully aware that civilians were to be targeted and apparently felt no qualms about doing so
    His hatred of Nazi Germany had been building for years. In 1939, he had visited Hamburg in a futile attempt to persuade relatives to leave. His mother . . . directed the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society of Baltimore . . .. He regretted not having had the opportunity to drop atomic bombs on Germany, proclaiming, “”I wish we’d had it earlier so we could have dropped it on Berlin.”

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  6. Anger and hate can be strong motivators for any group or movement, and even for individuals.

    And when your primary activity is something highly destructive to others – as is the case for modern Israel – this becomes all the truer.

    Anger and hate burn away, as it were, any twinges of guilt or remorse.

    • Replies: @Gilad Atzmon
  7. I saw a cartoon a few years ago, a Jew praying at the Wailing Wall, and on the wall these big letters, H A T E

  8. Saggy says: • Website

    It will take an hour or so, but it will be well spent, and you’ll gain a much better understanding of antisemitism and the Jews, by watching this vid …




    I”ll give a synopsis – following the flood Noah begat Shem and a line of about 10 generations to reach Abraham. G– made a covenant with Abraham. Abraham begat Ishmael and Issac. Issac begat Esau and Jacob. As the elder son Esau was in line to inherit Abraham’s covenant, but Jacob tricked him into giving him his birthright for a bowl of lentils. Issac loved Esau but his wife Rebecca loved Jacob. Jacob and Rebecca tricked Issac into giving Jacob the blessing that was meant for Esau.

    Geneis 27:27-30

    27And he came near, and kissed him: and he smelled the smell of his raiment, and blessed him, and said, See, the smell of my son is as the smell of a field which the LORD hath blessed: 28Therefore God give thee of the dew of heaven, and the fatness of the earth, and plenty of corn and wine: 29Let people serve thee, and nations bow down to thee: be lord over thy brethren, and let thy mother’s sons bow down to thee: cursed be every one that curseth thee, and blessed be he that blesseth thee. 30And it came to pass, as soon as Isaac had made an end of blessing Jacob, and Jacob was yet scarce gone out from the presence of Isaac his father, that Esau his brother came in from his hunting.

    Esau was enraged. Antisemitism was born. Jacob fled and went on to change his name to Israel and he begat the 12 tribes. Esau was also prolific was the progenitor of the nation of Edom, Israel’s eternal enemy. In the Talmud Edom is identified with Rome and Christianity. The war between the descendants of Esau and Jacob continues to this day.

    • Thanks: Kali, Fuerchtegott
  9. @John Chuckman

    Jews or Israelis didn’t invent ‘hate,’ but Netanyahu’s top adviser admits above that it is hate that unites their camp…

    • Replies: @John Chuckman
    , @Saggy
  10. @SolontoCroesus

    Ever Christian from the president on down wanted to drop the bomb. It was Truman’s decision.
    It was the Jewish scientist led by Einstein that begged them not to use an atomic bomb and spoke of the dangers. Nice try SC.
    Any one in Japan Jewish. What a crony.

    • Troll: Fuerchtegott
  11. Pakistani and India stockpile weapons. Not Jewish and not Christian.

  12. @Gilad Atzmon

    Who ever said Israelis invented hate?

    You did, and, sorry, but you’ve missed my point.

    • Replies: @Tsigantes
  13. Digby says:

    Speak truth to power and get ready to die…

  14. Saggy says: • Website
    @Gilad Atzmon

    Jews or Israelis didn’t invent ‘hate,’

    Antisemitism and ‘hatred’ were created with Esau and Israel (nee Jacob) and has been a constant part of Judaism ever since, as documented in the vid in my previous post. Netanyahu has nothing to do with it.

    And the use of ‘hate’ as a political weapon today is entirely a creation of the Jews, they’ve been at it for decades, to see how far they can go check out Ireland’s Prohibition Against Incitement to Hate
    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1989/act/19/section/2/enacted/en/html#sec2
    2.—(1) It shall be an offence for a person—
    (a) to publish or distribute written material,
    (b) to use words, behave or display written material—
    (i) in any place other than inside a private residence, or
    (ii) inside a private residence so that the words, behaviour or material are heard or seen by persons outside the residence,
    or
    (c) to distribute, show or play a recording of visual images or sounds,
    if the written material, words, behaviour, visual images or sounds, as the case may be, are threatening, abusive or insulting and are intended or, having regard to all the circumstances, are likely to stir up hatred.
    The history of ADL’s efforts at criminalizing ‘hate’ is described here – https://web.archive.org/web/20040205191738/http://www.adl.org/99hatecrime/print.asp

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  15. A123 says:

    Jesus Christ diagnosed this very dangerous trait amongst his brethren. His solution was shocking, if simple. Instead of stockpiling weapons, he preached that his followers turn the other cheek: take a step forward, love your neighbour, break away from the vicious circle, seek peace and harmony.

    And then ~600 AD the Forces of Hate came to butcher Christian Men, rape Christian women, and steal Christian land. To oppose the Jihadi Army of Hate, those who would prefer peace were forced to take up arms against the most violent blood cult this planet has ever known.

    Christians (and all other Infidels) have no choice but to fight against the Jihadi Forces of Hate. Every country contaminated by Islamic Hate experiences problems with this violent cult. How many Christmas markets in Christian countries have been attacked by Jews, Hindus, Buddhist, Shintoists…? None. Hate attacks on the peace and harmony of Christmas events in Christian countries are tied to only one violent group, Islam of Hate. (1)

    The attack was aimed at Christians. It was no coincidence that the terrorist chose to target a Christmas market. It doesn’t matter that not all visitors to Christmas markets are Christians. Despite Europe’s secularization, Christmas markets still symbolize Christmas and, thus, are a favorite target of jihadists.

    The Strasbourg Market had been targeted on two previous occasions (although both plots were foiled), and several other European Christmas market plots were uncovered before they could be activated. However, in 2016, an Iraqi boy successfully planted a nail bomb at the Christmas market in the German city of Ludwigshafen. And in the same year, a Muslim refugee killed 12 and injured 56 in a truck attack on the Berlin Christmas market.

    It is not surprising that Hindus in India, Jews in Israel, Buddhists in Mynmar, and Christians around the world see that the path to peace and harmony requires effective opposition to violent Islamic Hatred of Infidels.

    PEACE 😇
    _______

    (1) https://www.crisismagazine.com/2018/five-lessons-from-the-christmas-market-attack

    • Replies: @Biff
  16. Post modern Jew hatred: All aboard!!!

    Anti-Zionism is an ideology, that can be deconstructed, but it is not an erroneous opinion that one can criticize. We may fight it, but we cannot argue with it. Serious intellectual and academic proofs, our previous strategies as academics, have not convinced the true believers of “Palestinianism,” which has become a kind of Western progressive religion.
    The anti-Zionist ideology facing us is not just a passing phase nourished by the manipulation of history by Palestinian nationalism; it is part of a societal configuration within the framework of what has become Western global democratic society. We are entering a new age of Jew-hatred.
    The best way to counter an ideology is to attack it. You cannot fight a myth or a lie with a simple defense or justification. You must instead pit the myths of the ideology against themselves. It is important not
    to respond to invented accusations and not to accept the terms of the opponent, but to target the same objects that in turn target the ideology.

    Similarly, accusations of apartheid and racism cannot stand up to the turpitude of the Palestinians and the current status of non- Muslims throughout the Muslim world.

    Trigano_Israelphobia_Book_WEB-17

    https://www.melaniephillips.com/aalst-america-post-modern-anti-jewish-reconfiguration-west/

  17. Post modern Jew hatred: This is a good read Gilad. By Professor Shmuel Trigano
    https://jcpa.org/israelophobia-and-the-west/anti-semitism-as-a-postmodern-ideology/

  18. melpol says:

    Smart and clever people, some with high IQs generally have a higher income. They are the face of the Jewish population in Israel. Keeping smart Jews together means excluding those that don’t meet high mental standards. Jewish enclaves in the US also have high mental standards. They might be called racists by bigots. But people have a right to practice segregation in housing arrangements. Jews in Israel practice and follow other racial and ethnic groups around the world.

  19. @Fran Taubman

    Oy… the Jewish scientists…the demography of the Manhattan Project isn’t the best Hasbara product in case you want to spread here some anti war slogans. Let me tell you, Fritz Haber, the one who, literally introduced WMD back in WWI wasn’t exactly a goy either … try something else…

    • Replies: @Fuerchtegott
  20. So much anti intellectual nonsense. It doesn’t deserve my attention really. Israeli institutional racism is an established fact (you can look at the Law of Return or the Israeli National Bill), the Israeli lobby’s global activity is also not a clandestine operation. Regardless of the above, anti Zionism is indeed an idiotic misleading notion imposed on us by the Jewish Left. It is hardly a secret that Israel doesn’t define itself as The Zionist State but as The Jewish State. Accordingly, we have to understand the true meaning of the J words (Jews, Judaism, Jewishness),,, this is exactly what I do in my books and papers,…judging the scale of the attempts to silence me, I assume that I must be very close to the bone

    • Thanks: Tusk
    • Replies: @AnonStarter
    , @Fran Taubman
  21. @Fran Taubman

    Fran Taubman:

    Ever Christian from the president on down wanted to drop the bomb. It was Truman’s decision. [sic]

    on Who piloted the plane that dropped the bomb?:

    On August 9, the day the Nagasaki bomb was dropped, Truman received a telegram from Samuel McCrea Cavert, a Protestant clergyman, who pleaded with the president to stop the bombing “before any further devastation by atomic bomb is visited upon her [Japan’s] people.” https://www.nps.gov/articles/trumanatomicbomb.htm

    Fran Taubman:

    Any one in Japan Jewish. What a crony.

    Of course not; what an absurd question.
    Similar to the case in Germany, Jews lined up on the side of the mass killers, not the killed.

    In fact, the Hiroshima bomb was dropped just 1400′ from a Jesuit mission; one of the surviving Catholic priests, German Jesuit Fr. Hubert Schiffer, met with Tibbets in 1975.

    Fr. Schiffer attributed his survival and that of a number of his parishioners and colleagues to the intercession of the Blessed Virgin: the feast of her Assumption into heaven was just a few days after the Hiroshima attack; he wrote The Rosary Of Hiroshima

    Just too extraordinary: a Jewish pilot, motivated by hate, pilots a plane named for his Jewish mother, drops a bomb that kills Catholics who are preparing to celebrate a feast of the Mother of mankind, motivated by love to give birth to Jesus.

    Tibbets was also commander of the squadron that bombed Nagasaki, on August 9, 1945. Nagasaki was the most Catholic of all of Japan’s cities, and the bomb fell just over 1600′ from the Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception, destroying it.

    What a man, what a mother, that Paul Warfield Tibbets: he enrolled in medical school because

    “I had been fascinated by such things as the birth of animals and the castration of pigs. The sight of blood gave me no squeamish moments.”

    In Tibbets, blood lust competed with lust for power, after an experience in which —

    “He sat in the front seat of a tiny Waco 9 biplane and, as the barnstormer sitting behind him flew low to the ground over Hialeah race track and other places where people gathered, he dropped Baby Ruth candy bars with parachutes attached to people below. He later remembered the thrill and the sense of power this afforded, commenting, “No Arabian prince ever rode a magic carpet with a greater delight or sense of superiority to the rest of the human race.” Thereafter, medicine could not compare with the excitement of flying.”

    Paul Tibbets was a killer in search of a war.

    In a conversation with Harry Truman, and in other statements, Tibbets justified dropping the bomb that killed perhaps a hundred thousand people: “I was just following orders.”

    Tibbets had stated that dropping the bomb was not a question of morality; that question takes place in declaring war: is the war moral?

    That question goes to, Who started the war?

    Here, Gilad Atzmon’s thesis is relevant:

    Tibbets said that, in 1939, he was motivated by “hatred of Germans.” (There was no holocaust — not even alleged — in 1939.)

    In 1939, the great majority of the American people were opposed to US engagement in a war in Europe.

    However, since at least March of 1933, Jewish zionist leaders (as well as British propagandists) had been working diligently to foment hatred of Germans: In May, 1933, James Waterman Wise published “Swastika: The Nazi Terror.” The first chapter titled “The Advance Guard of Hate,” and the second sentence of the Foreward declaimed “. . .the Swastika, symbolizing hatred of the Jew.”

    In what overheated mental forge did Waterman Wise hammer out that deformed replica of the cross, an ancient symbol sacred to Hindus, Buddhists, Jains and Christians for centuries?

    Numerous media sites, ‘anti-defamation’ organizations and the like now aver that “Hitler debased the swastika,” but as Waterman Wise’s text give unassailable evidence: Jewish zionists turned that ancient symbol into one of “hate,” out of the centuries of hatred with which Jews have regarded the symbol of Christianity and Christianity itself.

    Waterman Wise created the vocabulary of hate that incited a war; Paul Warfield Tibbets slaked his own hate and quest for power, and justified the killing of tens of thousands of innocent people, because it was in the context of a war:

    “You’re gonna kill innocent people at the same time, but we’ve never fought a damn war anywhere in the world where they didn’t kill innocent people,” he told Terkel.

    “If the newspapers would just cut out the s—: ‘You’ve killed so many civilians.’ That’s their tough luck for being there.”

    — The same sentiment does not apply to Jews who were killed in the course of the war that James Waterman Wise, his father, and their cohort set in motion.

    AND — Fran Taubman is wrong (as s/he is so frequently) in stating that “Ever Christian from the president on down wanted to drop the bomb.”

    So very wrong: As Lynn Olsen details in the opening chapters of Those Angry Days, it took the combined efforts of British propagandists, Jewish spies and back-stabbers, and Franklin Roosevelt himself to undermine the efforts of Charles Lindbergh who attempted to avert a war that the American people did not want.

    Even some of Tibbet’s team members came to see the error of their ways:

    Some of the members later came to express regret and described being haunted by the destruction they caused.

    “I pray no man will have to witness that sight again. Such a terrible waste, such a loss of life,” Capt. Theodore van Kirk, the plane’s navigator that day, told an interviewer in 2005. “We unleashed the first atomic bomb, and I hope there will never be another.”

    He added: “I pray that we have learned a lesson for all time. But I’m not sure that we have.”

    If Netanyahu, and yes, Fran Taubman and their ilk have their way, hate will again triumph over the majority wishes of the American people to refrain from the death-dealing droppings of Tibbet’s mother, Enola Gay.

    Pray with Fr. Schiffer the Rosary of Nagasaki and seek instead the peace of Mary, Mother of God and her son Jesus, the Prince of Peace.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  22. Zumbuddi says:

    In one large Midwest US city, Russian Jews are the second-largest ethnic group that occupies Section 8 (low rent, taxpayer subsidized) housing.
    They’re often filthy.

  23. surly says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Right on Fran. You’ve really been taking notes at our SHOFAR meetings. Your hasbara style sparkles! You’re almost half as good at this as AaronB and I, personally, believe the implications of your posts.

  24. Art says:
    @Fran Taubman

    So Frannie — Clearly you Jews are the biggest supremacists racists on the planet — your racist bigoted leader – Netanyahu – is winning in Israel. You morally sick Jews hate and fear everyone.

    As to the nuke bomb – a Jew advocated the bomb (Einstein) – Jews made the bomb – a Jew dropped the bomb. Israel hides 200 nuke bombs. If we merely bring up the subject of the 200 nukes – you call us Jew haters.

    (How stupid can a Jew be – bringing up the subject of nukes?)

    Do No Harm and Do No Business – with the morally inferior Jews.

    p.s. Clearly you are projecting your sick fear and hate onto everyone else.

    • Replies: @A123
  25. As a born-and-raised Christian (which I shuffled off in my teens) I always thought that the essence of Jesus’ revolutionary teachings was, yes, “turn the other cheek”, because if your brother slaps you, he probably has a good reason, and, second, “let him who is without sin cast the first stone”. Both sayings embody forgiveness and reconciliation.

    Alexander Pope said, “to err is human, to forgive, divine”.

  26. A123 says:
    @Art

    “Warmonger” Art,

    Israelis have a desire for self-defense.

    You are projecting you depraved desire for war and genocide onto others.
    _____

    Are you an anti-vaxxer on the CoronaVirus vaccination that will use Israeli patents? (1)

    Israeli scientists are reportedly only a few weeks away from having developed the first vaccine to combat the coronavirus, which originated in China, and could have the vaccine available 90 days after that.

    “Congratulations to MIGAL [The Galilee Research Institute] on this exciting breakthrough,” Science and Technology Minister Ofir Akunis said, according to The Jerusalem Post. “I am confident there will be further rapid progress, enabling us to provide a needed response to the grave global COVID-19 threat,” Akunis said, referring to the disease caused by the novel coronavirus.

    If you do no business with peaceful Jews, then — No Vaccine for You...
    _______

    PEACE 😇

    Do No Business – with the morally inferior, extremely violent Muslim
    _______

    (1) https://www.dailywire.com/news/bds-this-israel-makes-exciting-breakthrough-in-race-for-coronavirus-vaccine

    • LOL: Zumbuddi
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    , @Zumbuddi
    , @Art
  27. @Fran Taubman

    So you blame (naturally! You’re a walking contradiction, no?) Christians for nuking Japan when you’d love it for you fave country, Israel, to nuke Iran? Just a thought…and call me what you will because what you’d call me is fast become a badge of honor against anti-Noahide…do you also support decaptitation of all Christians, Fran? Right. blame everything on Christians! Are you of your father, the Pharisees? (or mother…still, Pharisees) Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahah!

  28. @kikl

    The reason haters are tormented by imagining that the Other is afflicted by the same hatefulness is because those who hate “the Other” allow “the Other” to control them. Thus, projection.

    And Gilad is correct about why Christ told those who listened to turn the other cheek and forgive their enemies, love their enemies. Another reason why gentiles MUST learn to stop being all pissed off when some hasbara troll, some Jewish Supremacist, some ZioShill, some Christian Zionist, calls them “anti-semitic”…as I said, one o these days it’ll be a badge of honor. These folks are definitely over-playing their hand, like a busted flush.

  29. Jews: We are a peaceful religion with high moral standards! Shalom!
    Also Jews: Non-Jews were made to serve us.
    Also Jews: We hate Christ, we are in porn to pervert Western Christian culture.
    Also Jews: In fact, the whole Western World is Amalek and must be destroyed!
    Also Jews: Oy vey, why is there so much irrational Anti-Semitism?

  30. @A123

    More of your usual Hasbara Bollocks refuted..

    Below are a few of the people that are in the business of killing and injuring whole nations of people. I sure people can work out what these people have in common besides being purely evil.

    It is of no suprise to find another vaccine being produced to destroy the Goyim.

    [MORE]

    Eli Lilly.
    The Only Safety Study Done on Thimerosal.
    Thimerosal was patented by Eli Lilly scientists in 1927. Eli Lilly, a corporation based in Indianapolis, Indiana, took the opportunity to perform an experiment on humans during a local epidemic. 144 people in Indianapolis had come down with bacterial meningitis infections of the brain. Eli Lilly took 22 of those people and exposed them to extremely high doses of thimerosal, a 1% solution.

    The thimerosal doses they gave to these 22 people were killing animals in the laboratory. Yet Eli Lilly gave it to the subjects intravenously, and all 22 people died — most of them within a day. Based on this experiment, Eli Lilly stated that thimerosal had a very low order of toxicity for man.
    http://traceamounts.com/the-only-safety-study-done-on-thimerosal/#

    Dr Stanley Plotkin: EXPOSED: World Renowned Vaccine Scientist’s Shocking Legal Deposition Now Public.
    https://thehighwire.com/exposed-world-renowned-vaccine-scientists-shocking-legal-deposition-now-public/

    Paul “For Profit” Offit:
    Often the first resources parents find when investigating vaccine safety concerns originate with Dr. Paul Offit and the Vaccine Education Center at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia (CHOP). His comments in this clip are delivered to an audience of public health students at UC Berkeley. Clinical Professor Emeritus, Dr. John Swartzberg, introduced Offit as his, “infectious disease hero.”

    Dr. Alvin Moss’ testimony is given before a Senate Committee in West Virginia in support of a bill to restore the state’s religious and philosophical exemption.

    Dr Haley vs Dr Paul “For Profit” Offit – Virtual Vaccine Debate – The Greatest Medical Controversy Of Our Time.

    Bill Gates: According to Wikipedia – Davos is host to the World Economic Forum (WEF), an annual meeting of global political and business elites.
    That is where Mr Gates chose to deliver a dire warning as reported across the world’s Press:
    ‘Bill Gates warns world is ‘tragically unprepared’ to stop global pandemics such as ebola or zika.’ – (Daily Mirror)

    ‘Bill Gates warns tens of millions could be killed by bio-terrorism’ – (The Guardian)

    Mr Gates’ public Health approach has been challenged in many countries including, most recently, India where his organisation was asked to leave that country.
    Are Public Health measures helping or hindering the Human race; are they preventing illness or, as some contend, causing more harm than good?
    Well, let’s take a look at the scientific evidence!

    videos.utahgunexchange.com/watch/the-039-bill-gates-039-agenda-av8-dr-graham-downing_PwdyvW1D7ytfyMM.html

    • Thanks: Kali
    • Replies: @A123
    , @Skeptikal
  31. Zumbuddi says:
    @A123

    So did Israelis develop the antidote BEFORE they weaponized the Coronavirus, or after?

    Do they have versions for all the strain s including the Extra Heavy Duty virus that is sickening Iranians, or just the Italian version that an Israeli carried to Israel?

    Me?
    If I caught the virus I wouldn’t trust an Israeli vacvine. No way no how.

    • Replies: @BDS Always
  32. ‘…Netanyahu’s senior adviser’s leaked recording shines a light on the ever- growing Jewish fear of antisemitism…’

    I think the ‘Jewish fear of anti-semitism’ is in most cases a fraud.

    Those who profess to be concerned about it rarely actually attempt to address ‘anti-semitism.’ Rather, they use the term as a club to intimidate all who would otherwise be inclined to criticize Israel.

    Witness the gelding of the British Labour Party. That had nothing whatsoever to do with any authentic fear of anti-semitism. Right now, the leading item on the agenda of organized Jewry is to somehow stop Bernie Sanders.

    Sanders is Jewish himself. Obviously, these people could care less about anti-semitism.

    ‘Anti-semitism’ isn’t an actual fear. It’s useful to profess it, though; doing so creates a handy device for suppressing opposition to Israel. If they could reasonably claim Bernie Sanders was ‘anti-semitic,’ they would. In fact, if Bernie Sanders wasn’t so obviously, typically Jewish, that’s exactly what they would be doing.

    • Agree: AnonStarter
  33. @Zumbuddi

    ‘Bill Gates warns world is ‘tragically unprepared’ to stop global pandemics such as ebola or zika.’ – (Daily Mirror)

    ‘Bill Gates warns tens of millions could be killed by bio-terrorism’ – (The Guardian)

    Mr Gates’ public Health approach has been challenged in many countries including, most recently, India where his organisation was asked to leave that country.
    Are Public Health measures helping or hindering the Human race; are they preventing illness or, as some contend, causing more harm than good?
    Well, let’s take a look at the scientific evidence!

    • Replies: @Art
    , @Nany
  34. A123 says:
    @BDS Always

    More of your usual Hasbara Bollocks refuted..

    Let me help you with that…. Your irrational Muhammadism prevents you from grasping the simplest of logic.

    My Truth confirmed. Your Taqiyya deception and Bollocks exposed, showing the pathetic weakness of your fabrications.

    Why is the scientific output the Violently Muslim world near zero?

    Could it be that Jihadi Hate has blinded Muslims to facts, reality, and the scientific process?

    PEACE 😇
    _______

    Do No Business – with the morally inferior, extremely violent Muslim

    • Replies: @BDS Always
  35. @Gilad Atzmon

    So much anti intellectual nonsense. It doesn’t deserve my attention really.

    Unequivocally agreed.

    Accordingly, we have to understand the true meaning of the J words (Jews, Judaism, Jewishness),,, this is exactly what I do in my books and papers,…judging the scale of the attempts to silence me, I assume that I must be very close to the bone

    I appreciate your effort to provide this perspective of Jewishness, though I personally prefer to distinguish zionism from original Judaism, which wasn’t even called “Judaism” in its time. It’s true that the seeds of zionism are undeniably found in many strains of Judaism, but there remain others — for example, among the Haredim — for whom Judaism remains a way of life distinguishable from zionism.

    The account of Dr. Yaakov De Haan is highly informative:

    The Government of Israel has a Serious Anti-Semitism Problem

    On the night of July 1, 1924, a Zionist terror gang commanded by Yitzhak Ben-Zvi, (who later became the president of the state of Israel), shot and killed Dr. Yaakov De Haan in cold blood. Dr. De Haan was a Dutch-Jewish journalist and lawyer who moved to Palestine and settled in Jerusalem in order to live the life of an observant Ultra-Orthodox Jew. He was deeply involved in the struggle against Zionism and gained the respect of both the Jewish and Arab communities in the Holy Land.

    Yaakov De Haan was working in close contact with elements of the British government to get the Balfour Declaration rescinded. Furthermore, he succeeded in bringing the communities of Jews and Arabs who were native to Jerusalem together in an effort to push back against Zionism. The Zionists, whose efforts to take over Palestine redoubled after the British occupation in 1917, worked to undermine the Ultra-Orthodox Rabbis and established their own official Rabbinate and religious Jewish institutions that were loyal to their cause but were never recognized by the original Ultra-Orthodox community.

    Recognizing that Dr. De Haan was a serious threat to the Zionist takeover in Palestine, and particularly worried about the collaboration between Jewish and Arab leaders against them, the Zionist militia assassinated De Haan. The first victim of political assassination executed by the Zionists in Palestine was Jewish.

    • Thanks: SolontoCroesus
  36. AaronB says:

    For hatred does not cease by hatred at any time: hatred ceases by love, this is an old rule.

    6 The world does not know that we must all come to an end here;–but those who know it, their quarrels cease at once.

    – the Dhammapada

    Gilad Atzmon and the commenters here think all evil is on the Jewish side, and all righteousness on their side. In the spirit of the Dhammapada, I do not reciprocate this hate. I do not hate Atzmon or the commenters here back, and I do not think all evil is on their side and all goodness on the Jewish side.

    As the second verse says, none of us get out of this thing alive. When you internalize that, what’s the point of fighting.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  37. AaronB says:

    More verses from the Dhammapada –

    All that we are is the result of what we have thought: it is founded on our thoughts, it is made up of our thoughts. If a man speaks or acts with a pure thought, happiness follows him, like a shadow that never leaves him.

    3 “He abused me, he beat me, he defeated me, he robbed me,”–in those who harbour such thoughts hatred will never cease.

    4 “He abused me, he beat me, he defeated me, he robbed me,”–in those who do not harbour such thoughts hatred will cease.

    • Replies: @Art
  38. @AaronB

    ‘… I do not hate Atzmon or the commenters here back, and I do not think all evil is on their side and all goodness on the Jewish side…”

    Okay, Aaron!

    Since you profess to believe that, what specific evil do you see on the Jewish side?

    We await the answer.

  39. The irony is that Aaron’s problem is implicit in how he frames the issue.

    There isn’t a ‘Jewish side.’

    Arguably, there may be a Nazi/Zionist side, and then maybe from God’s point of view, Bernie Sanders and Neville Chamberlain are on the other, but postulating a ‘Jewish side’ is quite a leap right there.

    You little damaged moral dwarf, define ‘evil.’ Then explain how you’re not part of it.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  40. Art says:
    @BDS Always

    Mr Gates’ public Health approach has been challenged in many countries including, most recently, India where his organization was asked to leave that country.

    May I speak up for Bill Gates – the chances of him doing something untoward regarding public health are ZERO.

    My guess is that the Indian government was being pushed to do something good for their people – that they did not want to do. Some “sacred cow” or something.

  41. This is historic. We must never forget. There’s no way to convey the impact of Dannon’s cri de coeur without exaggerated jerk-off gestures spanning at least 36 inches.

    Hairy sweaty sand kikes milling around in those stupid fucking hats trying to ostracize a guy who soars in the polls with each new phlegmmy guttural Jew imprecation. At this rate the campaign slogan is going to be “Gas em for real this time / Sanders 2020.”

  42. Art says:
    @A123

    “Warmonger” Art,

    You are projecting you depraved desire for war and genocide onto others.

    Troll talk – period!

    Do No Harm – Do No Business – with the inferior immoral Jews.

    • Replies: @A123
  43. @SolontoCroesus

    Pray with Fr. Schiffer the Rosary of Nagasaki and seek instead the peace of Mary, Mother of God and her son Jesus, the Prince of Peace.

    The Prince of Peace SC walking with Sadistic masochists SS killers, enslaving Slavic, gypsies, and Jews, killers of women and children. Shooting civilians on the spot. Your heroes. The worst sadistic killers in the world. Medical experiments on children. Cruelty no one ever knew possible.
    Hitler the great big Hitler died like a coward in a bunker, while 13 year old boys eating dirt defended Berlin. Thank god I am a Jew and not a German.
    Nothing about Tibbets or his mother being Jewish. You tend to find a Jewish monster like a rabbit out of a hat when you need to source out evil.
    Were there not 2 pilots?

    Good luck to the most desperately perverse person on UR.

    • Thanks: SolontoCroesus
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Wally
    , @Saggy
  44. Art says:
    @AaronB

    3 “He abused me, he beat me, he defeated me, he robbed me,”–in those who harbour such thoughts hatred will never cease.

    4 “He abused me, he beat me, he defeated me, he robbed me,”–in those who do not harbour such thoughts hatred will cease.

    Oh dear’ — useless words – fluff for the Gentiles to suck up.

    Apartheid Israelis shoot Palestinian boys that throw rocks! Israelis shoot Gaza boys and girls that get to close too the fence! These Jews have a screw loose!

    Do No Harm and Do No Business – with the inferior immoral Jews.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  45. @Fran Taubman

    ‘… The Prince of Peace SC walking with Sadistic masochists SS killers, enslaving Slavic, gypsies, and Jews, killers of women and children. Shooting civilians on the spot. Your heroes. The worst sadistic killers in the world. Medical experiments on children. Cruelty no one ever knew possible…’

    Now, Fran. The Zionists couldn’t reasonably have committed more than half of those crimes.

    Hyperbole doesn’t strengthen your argument. Calm down.

  46. @Art

    ‘… Apartheid Israelis shoot Palestinian boys that throw rocks! Israelis shoot Gaza boys and girls that get to close too the fence! These Jews have a screw loose!’

    So one hopes. That they might be perfectly safe wouldn’t be much of an improvement.

  47. @Gilad Atzmon

    So much anti intellectual nonsense. It doesn’t deserve my attention really. Israeli institutional racism is an established fact (you can look at the Law of Return or the Israeli National Bill), the Israeli lobby’s global activity is also not a clandestine operation. Regardless of the above,

    Israeli racism is a response to the Islamic racism against the Jews, and the sovereignty of the Jewish people The surrounding Islamic theocracies who promoted apartheid whichlabeled the Jews as Dhimmi, second class status, with unequal rights and rules to Muslims. Jews are defending their homeland and sovereignty. Who is the racist the Jews or the Muslims?

    You needn’t be an intellectual to understand that accusing the Jews collectively of the blood libel, and Judaism as supremacist religion that seeks to dominate others are fabricated lies by Islamist, as a medieval swap of Christianity with Islam, and backed up perversely by the left and anti western anarchist.

    The Islamist use land ownership, racism and the Palestinians politically to hide their hatred of the Jews that never accepted the Prophet Mohammed. Israel tried many times to address and sincerely promote Palestinian autonomy that failed because the Jews would not accept the right of return of illegal Palestinian refugees and the Palestinians that would not accept Israel a Jewish state. All roads lead to the destruction of Israel.

    The defeat of Corbyn and the British Labour’s embrace of the Palestinian cause is proof that we are wining and that the false moral equivalency has been exposed. The British Public told Gilad to go home and never come back. Gilad and his ideas were rejected. He was never close to the bone. That is a cop out to mask defeat.

    Who follows Gilad’s ideas on UR.
    – Nazi ‘s still hunting and identifying Jews through microscopes, to trace Jewish lineage. Like the Nuremberg race laws never ended. Scary but very deferrable.
    – Islamist who hate the Jews for their rejection of the prophet Mohammed.
    – Lastly we have the conspiracist who consist mostly of mentally deranged people who lack any rational sanity beyond their Jew problem. These people cannot deal with government, power structures, and the rule of law. They are anarchist that want disruption, as expressed by their desire to eliminate Jews.

    Where do you think you are going Gilad? Close to the bone? Oh my!! Look at these post. Jesus is the least of it.

    CHART

    • Troll: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @kikl
    , @Art
    , @Fran Taubman
  48. kikl says:
    @Fran Taubman

    “Israeli racism is a response…”

    Thus, you are not denying Israeli institutional racism, instead you are justifying racism.

    When will you ever start to look into the mirror? When will you ever learn?

  49. Art says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Israeli racism is a response to the Islamic racism against the Jews

    Israeli racism is steeped in thousands of years, of false supremacist tribal bravado.

    This primitive bravado has let Israel to a crushing apartheid on the Palestinians – and the subsequent rightful enmity of the world.

    Do NO Harm and Do No Business – with the inferior immoral Jews.

  50. Biff says:
    @A123

    requires effective opposition to violent Islamic Hatred of Infidels.

    Somebody bump the needle.

  51. @Fran Taubman

    It is Islam that openly states the desire for world domination, and accepts no religions as equals. Judaism accepts all paths leading to god following the Noahide laws as being equal.

    What is this perversity of accusing the Jews as the recipient of the racist ideology of Islam with the Jewish open acceptance of equal religions?

    It is the racist ideology of Islam that refuses to accept Jewish sovereignty over its indisputable homeland. The mufti of Jerusalem’s devotion to Hitler and the elimination of the Jews during WW2. And his open mandate to kill Jews.

    How and why are things so backwards if not for the lefts use of Jew hatred and Palestine to bring down the West? Buyer of Jew hated beware. The Christians get it.

    How can Islam get away with such lies and deception? Look at the racism and cruelty of dwindling of the Christian population
    in the Middle East. How many churches in the KSA?
    It is our mission to expose this deception to the world. We will fight and win.

    • Disagree: Colin Wright
  52. Tsigantes says:
    @Fran Taubman

    No, Christians did NOT want USA to drop the atom bomb – nor Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, nor Jews…nor anyone in their right mind anywhere in the world wanted or applauded this horrifying and evil act, bar a few mentally ill people.

    It was not “Christians” who dropped the bomb or made that decision, it was the American state that decided to show who is the new boss in the world – aimed especially at their soon-to-be-announced-designated-enemy but still presently ‘friend’ the USSR. I remind you that USA is an officially secular state, though most of its citizens at that time were Christian of different denominations. Were these Christians consulted? No. Would they have agreed? Obviously not. How many Americans – including jews – would have agreed? I would guess not many. thus, they were not consulted either.

    By the way, Hiroshima and Nagasaki are the two centres of Christianity in Japan. The bomb demolished Nagasaki Cathedral but I will not lower myself to your level by calling that a jewish plot.

    I am sick of your low level of discussion regarding Christians. Of whom you appear to understand little – or refuse to acknowledge what is told to you. Christians are not your enemy. They were never your enemy. Your enemy as far as I can see are the high level jews (non religious) who are happy to extract money from you, keep you in line with fear porn, and throw you to the wolves when it suits their purposes, as in nazi Germany. There were no jewish bankers at Auschwitz.

  53. Tsigantes says:
    @John Chuckman

    A good point Mr. Chuckman.
    And group hate is always manufactured.

    I’m writing this from Lesbos Greece where Erdogan is inundating us with weaponised migrants. We don’t hate the migrants, nor Turks (not at all!), nor even crazy Erdo. We do hate the larger situation created by external powers resulting in so much death and destruction among our fellow countries in MENA, but that is academic if heartfelt.

  54. @A123

    Accuse me all you want of what I am not and carry on calling me names. Sticks and Stones.

    You need to stop getting so upset when your posts are refuted.

    A good way to respond is with a counter refutation otherwise it is best to remain silen so then you do not look like a fool in the eyes of others…

    “Eodem anno omnes Judei, cum eorum bonis, filiis, et uxoribus, circa festum Omnium Sanctorum, terram Angliae et Aquitaniae, concedente rege Edwardo, exulantur.”

    • Replies: @A123
  55. @Tsigantes

    Your enemy as far as I can see are the high level jews (non religious) who are happy to extract money from you, keep you in line with fear porn, and throw you to the wolves when it suits their purposes, as in nazi Germany. There were no jewish bankers at Auschwitz.

    Well said.

  56. @Tsigantes

    You are misunderstanding. I am defending Jews against people collectively blaming Jews for mass murder. All peoples commit mass murder.
    Of course it was Americans that dropped the bomb and not Christians and or Jews. That is my point against the accusations that it was a American Jew who did this etc.
    During the Middle Ages. Christians cursed the Jews for not accepting Christ as their savior. That battle is long over.

  57. @Fran Taubman

    today’s most retarded/jewish internet comment is found

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  58. Bernie has been a socialist/communist for a long, long time. Nothing new here to see. At least the man has been consistent all these years. Although Bernie has made uncomplimentary comments against the Zionist entity, I really wonder how far he would go in actually opposing Israel and its devotees if he were to proceed higher up the food chain as president of the US. Personally, I don’t think so. Maybe it’s because his boomer status? It could also be growing up as a Jew in NYC no matter how shiny his Marxist credentials are. Face it, the Democratic establishment don’t want him, AIPAC & Co. doesn’t want him, and most of America doesn’t want him. It’s not so much about Bernie Sanders but rather his youthful supporters. These folks have no use for Israel, and see it for what it is no matter how nutty many of their other ideas are. These folks are not going away and could possibly grow into a force to be reckoned with at a future date. Like the prophet Daniel, some Zionist supporters do see the writing on the wall.

  59. @Gilad Atzmon

    Speaking to the taub is the worst waste of words.

  60. A123 says:
    @Art

    “Warmonger” Art,

    As you are one of the most prominent TROLLS on this site, you certainly are an expert on TROLL TALK. Being a troll and advocating violence are your reasons to exist.

    PEACE 😇

    Do No Business – with the extremely violent, immoral Muslims

  61. A123 says:
    @BDS Always

    You need to stop getting so upset when your posts are refuted.

    I am not upset at your failed attempts to deceive your way around the truth. Your incompetent flailing is comic relief. I find you immensely funny. Please keep your transparent lies coming.

    However, instead of advocating violence, it would be more constructive if you tried something else.

    PEACE 😇

  62. @Tsigantes

    Your enemy as far as I can see are the high level jews (non religious) who are happy to extract money from you, keep you in line with fear porn, and throw you to the wolves when it suits their purposes, as in nazi Germany. There were no jewish bankers at Auschwitz.

    Plenty bankers died in camps. Prominent members of the Warburg family died in Auschwitz and Sobibor. Most of the Jews who died in WW2 were poor Jews from the Pale settlement and Poland.
    Some were prominent merchants. Obviously wealthy people got out of their countries in time.
    For all the BS about Jew power and bankers. The Jews did not have enough power to save themselves.

    Plenty of prominent merchant Jews died in camps like Atto Frank. There were only a handful of wealthy Jewish banking families.

    • Replies: @Art
  63. @Fran Taubman

    ‘… During the Middle Ages. Christians cursed the Jews for not accepting Christ as their savior. That battle is long over…”

    Now wait. A few days back, you said that’s why us Christians committed the Holocaust — because we still hated Jews for not accepting Christ.

    So is the battle long over, or isn’t it?

  64. AaronB says:
    @Colin Wright

    You little damaged moral dwarf, define ‘evil.’ Then explain how you’re not part of it.

    You kind of missed my point.

    Thinking in this way – you are evil and I am good – is the cause of suffering and misery.

    The point isn’t to define evil and then apply it to some group, against which aggression and hatred is then permitted.

    Your very words – define evil and then prove you are not it – betray a desire to find some outgroup you can hate and destroy.

    Gilad Atzmon sets it up that Jews are evil and he is good – this just leads to aggression and hatred.

    Then, some Jews will do the same back. And the cycle of hatred is never broken.

    The Buddha offered a way to break the cycle – don’t define evil. Don’t define and then apply it to some group you can then hate and destroy. Define love, and apply that to all groups.

    I hope one day Gilad can see that his hatred is unnecessary and break the pattern. I hope you and AnonStarter and SolontoCroesus and all the Jew haters here see that. Until then, I do my part in breaking the cycle. I don’t define you as evil.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  65. @Fran Taubman

    I am defending Jews against people collectively blaming Jews for mass murder.

    Of course it was Americans that dropped the bomb

    no comment

    nb. imo Taubman is an asset to Unz Forum, UF’s very own research specimen of the results of “clergy (rabbi) abuse” far more pernicious and destructive than anything that the sodomite Catholic priests committed.

    One observation, under that protocol: I have learned thru this forum of the way that Jews genetically engineered their best and brightest.
    One assumes that that’s a relatively small class, and that Jews not deemed of appropriate human material to merit that investment, might recognize the elevated status of their brethren-sistern compared to their own middling status, and feel resentment.

    And so they adopt a kind of Calvinist facade; they attempt to present a face to the world that seeks, or desires, to be considered erudite; among the genetically “chosen.” Their aspect is pretentious, of course; they are merely ludicrous; baboons mimicking a prince.

    I have some sympathy for that position: I don’t know my forebears past my own mother and father — never met them, never felt their arms around me or their kiss on my cheek. I am aware that they were not literate, not in English or Italian. I come from peasants: Italian peasants of my grandparents & (presumably) great-grandparents’ generation were not considered worth the effort to educate. It’s a generational climb to advance beyond that situation: my children are college graduates with professional accreditations and careers and accomplishments. Sadly, they know nothing and care less about their peasant roots.

    I’m a lot more like Taubman than is comfortable to admit: I don’t have the generations of background and educational achievement to argue forcefully for my own people, I just have the passion.
    But I do have this distinction from Fran: I was never, ever taught to hate, and tho always conscious of my Italian ethnic origins, I was always taught that I was American. Period. Full stop.
    No “Go Israel, Israel am chai” in my family.

  66. @AaronB

    ‘… Until then, I do my part in breaking the cycle…’

    How do you say these things with a straight face?

    You’re an ethnic supremacist, openly contemptuous of a quarter of humanity, demand that those being ground under your boot learn to thank you for it — and you claim to be ‘breaking the cycle of hate’?

    • Replies: @AaronB
  67. @SolontoCroesus

    Whenever you want to respond in English let me know. You must be very upset. Your response is written in no known language. Incomprehensible.
    One thing for sure you are lower then a snakes belly. Tibbet’s was not Jewish by any known laws not even a Nuremberg. His mother was not Jewish. You are such a liar.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    , @Kali
  68. ‘…But I do have this distinction from Fran: I was never, ever taught to hate, and tho always conscious of my Italian ethnic origins, I was always taught that I was American. Period. Full stop…’

    Indeed. I could say much the same — albeit to a lesser extent.

    The sad bit is that so could Jews — up until 1967. Some people around here get a little carried away with anti-semitic generalizing; the world just isn’t that clear cut, and up until 1967, the Eastern European Jews who had poured into America about a hundred-plus years ago were above all, simply another ethnicity. They had their tendencies, but then so did Italians, the Irish, Chinese, et al.

    But then came 1967. All of a sudden, Jews were seduced by this alternate identity that assuaged all their insecurities; that of the big, strong uber-Jew, able to terrify the cringing goyim who dared to oppose him. To take one example, Jeffrey Goldberg — editor of the Atlantic — has recounted how he was a frightened, bullied little Jew Boy in the United States. Then he went to Israel and became a big, strong prison guard, able to terrorize all his erstwhile tormentors to his heart’s content.

    Ah, to be a Jew in Israel: powerful, unbounded by law or morality, able to hurt and even kill at will — he literally becomes a superman.

    The evolution of American Jewry over the last fifty years is that tale writ large. It’s really pretty revolting. The Jews — the worst of them, anyway — have traded honestly coming to terms with their identity as Americans for the easy out of ethnic supremacism.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  69. AaronB says:
    @Colin Wright

    Ok, lets look at this for a second.

    So lets say I’m a “an ethnic supremacist, openly contemptuous of a quarter of humanity, demand that those being ground under your boot learn to thank you for it.”

    People like this are bad, right? They are evil. So I’m bad and evil – but you’re not like this, so you’re good and righteous.

    So you get to feel superior to me, and you also get to aggres against me, hate me, eradicate me and people like me.

    You’ve just set up this division, you good and me bad, and then I’m gonna set up a division where you’re bad and I’m good.

    That awful Colin Wright person, gotta get him, he’s evil, etc, etc.

    But at a certain point the whole things gets tedious and you just can’t take it seriously anymore. You realize this whole scheme is based on ignorance and lack of insight.

    And then you can try and break the mold.

  70. Art says:
    @Fran Taubman

    The Jews did not have enough power to save themselves.

    BS — apartheid Israel has 200 hidden nukes!

    Do No Harm – Do No Business – with the primitive inferior immoral Jews.

  71. @Fran Taubman

    the formula:

    If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it’s a duck.

    substituting for “duck”

    If it looks like a Jew, walks like a Jew, quacks like a Jew, it’s a Jew.

    Fran Taubman asserts that s/he is a Jew. Somewhere, recently, Taubman wrote, “I have been a Jew all my life” or something like that.
    Taubman is a Jew.

    Taubman is also so loaded with hate that s/he often spews invective incoherently, with clear intent to inflict virtual humiliation, disempowerment and pain.

    He stated that “he attempted to persuade family members to leave Hamburg” in 1939.
    Why would non-Jewish Germans want to leave Hamburg in 1939? German economy was thriving at that time.
    • His mother was a director of HIAS — Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society. Isn’t that a pretty specifically Jewish organization? It’s the same one that the (alleged) Pittsburgh synagogue shooter targeted, and that action was called an “antisemitic” “anti-Jewish” hate crime.
    • His middle name was Warburg. There were probably non-Jewish Warburgs, but Warburg was and is a prominent Jewish name/family.
    • Tibbets was motivated by hate to join the military, and by a sense of “power and supremacy over others” to become a flier
    • His mother endorsed his decision to join military, his father opposed it.
    • He was so loaded with hatred of Germany that he expressed the wish to drop a nuclear bomb on Berlin.
    (Fran Taubman has stated that she glad Germany was destroyed.)
    –> Tibbets walks and talks and quacks like Fran Taubman, a Jew.

    nah
    changed my mind.

    Fran Taubman is not capable of commenting without being abusive.
    Back to this:

    ______________________________________________
    RE: Colin Wright:

    Ah, to be a Jew in Israel: powerful, unbounded by law or morality, able to hurt and even kill at will — he literally becomes a superman.

    The evolution of American Jewry over the last fifty years is that tale writ large. It’s really pretty revolting. The Jews — the worst of them, anyway — have traded honestly coming to terms with their identity as Americans for the easy out of ethnic supremacism.

    Very insightful; thanks.

  72. AaronB says:
    @Colin Wright

    So this is an interesting analysis. Thank you Colin.

    If this is true, it shows the dangers of trying to humiliate people and make them feel small and despised.

    I would think then if Jews are overreacting to feelings of powerlessness and weakness before 1967, to a feeling of insecurity, then the solution would be to try and help Jews not feel humiliated and powerless, to not feel insecure.

    It seems that what you, Atzmon, AnonStarter, Solonto C to are doing is trying to make Jews feel small, despised, weak, and contemptible.

    How will this help Jews feel secure enough to stop doing the things you think are wrong?

    You’ve actually stumbled on to the Buddhist theory of the cycle of violence – but you’re not at the place yet where you can stop contributing to it.

    For my part, I don’t think the solution lies in making Muslims and white nationalists feel humiliated and powerless – as that will just perpetuate the cycle of violence. So I don’t insult them or humiliate them.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  73. melpol says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    “They might be called racists by bigots. But people have a right to practice segregation in housing arrangements.”

    There are thousands of white enclaves across the US mainland. The practice is illegal but the Feds wont evict half and replace them with blacks. Israel is transparent by practicing religious discrimination. They only rent to Yarmulke wearers. If Segregationists were jailed, the prisons would be filled with every white and Jew.

  74. @AaronB

    No, AaronB, I’m not trying to make Jews feel “small, despised, weak, and contemptible.”
    (And frankly, I’m sick of being made to think of Jews as so pitiful that they need to be made to feel “secure.” Grow the F up.}

    I’ve thrown my share of poked elbows, but I don’t think I’ve ever called anyone “lower than a snake’s belly,” or even called anyone a liar.
    My archive is just as accessible as everyone else’s on Unz; if I’m wrong, show me.
    On the other hand, Fran Taubman’s archive is so loaded with invective and ad hominem that cataloging it becomes a waste of time: abusive and incoherent rants are so widespread as to dominate his/her discourse. I’m not sure anyone else comes close to the level of hate found in Taubman’s comments: one wonders if s/he is mentally ill, and also worries if- and that-there are many others like her roaming about the world.

    What I think I do, or what I try to do, is to demonstrate with evidence, quotes, passages from books, so-called revisionist history, that Germans were not all and uniquely evil — I have gained more and more sympathy for the German people, yesterday and today. I believe they suffered an outrageous wrong.

    A major goal in pointing out that Germans were outrageously harmed and were denied justice is to prevent the same outrages from being repeated — against the Syrian people, Libyans, Afghanis, Iraqis, and the Iranians.
    What was done to Germany is celebrated as a triumph and a template for American approach to the rest of the world.
    In my view, that amounts to making John Wayne Gacy the model for teen dating.

    Contrary to Taubman’s abuse-strewn rants, I do not cast blame on collectives: I name names, of Jewish men (and some women) who have, in my assessment, betrayed and exploited their positions of influence in the United States, in order to draw leaders as well as the resources and polity of USA into ill-advised and often immoral and criminal activities, from which predominantly Jews sought to benefit.

    It has been my privilege to have participated in a number of lectures and conversations with Flynt Leverett, now director of international studies at Penn State U. From Dr. Leverett I came to understand the notion of “pushing on an open door:” those Jewish leaders who are the target of my criticism “pushed on an open door” to gain collaboration of many, many non-Jewish persons of great influence, in engaging in wars and collective punishments that both Jews AND non-Jews benefited from.
    I take no pride in being the beneficiary of an era of prosperity that was achieved by destroying other nations, peoples and cultures.
    For a number of years I lived, worked and interacted on intimate terms with a Jewish family. I recall vividly an occasion when two of the children were playing chess: the young boy made a move that did not demonstrate strategy but only capitalized on the mistake of his opponent, his older sister.
    She said (words to the effect), “It’s not at all noble to win by taking advantage of another’s weakness.”
    That was a powerful lesson, and it’s stayed with me over 50 years.

    Taubman finds mention of evidence of (what I consider) the criminal behavior of Jewish leaders to be abhorrent; I find the fact of criminal behavior of Jewish leaders to be abhorrent.
    One of us decries the revelation, the other abhors the behavior.

    I’ve not read much of your commentary, Aaron; from what I gather, you are now in the camp, “Can’t we all just get along.”

    Well, No.
    We can’t.

    There has to be a reckoning.

    After the Rwanda massacres, governors summoned the wisdom and courage to hold Truth and Reconciliation exercises: notice: TRUTH had to be confronted: the truth of the crimes that one had committed against the other had to spoken, acknowledged.

    The old Catholic formula for Confession was:
    Confess sins to a representative of God
    Do penance — i.e. re-pent, which means, Think again — re-think your behavior
    Make reparation — at least apologize, to the extent possible, compensate those you have hurt
    Pledge to amend (your) life

    Germans have been punished enough. (So have Palestinians, Iranians, etc.)
    It’s time for others who have committed great crimes against humanity to man up, repent, make amends to others and amend their own lives.

  75. @SolontoCroesus

    ‘…And frankly, I’m sick of being made to think of Jews as so pitiful that they need to be made to feel “secure.” Grow the F up…’

    There is a definite absurdity in the most powerful, privileged, wealthy, protected, and admired (Pew Research) religious group in the country feeling insecure, isn’t there?

  76. @SolontoCroesus

    ‘… It’s time for others who have committed great crimes against humanity to man up, repent, make amends to others and amend their own lives.’

    This is part of the problem; Aaron, for example, claimed he wasn’t just blaming gentiles; he thought Jews were at fault as well. I asked him for examples.

    Crickets.

    The Jewish formula rarely admits any fault on the part of Jews: the Cossacks, Nazis, etc always just attack out of some kind of evil inherent in their being*. There was apparently never any motive, never any provocation — not even of the degree of, say, a pretty girl walking alone at night through a bad part of town.

    The Jews never did anything.. Previously perfectly peaceable Lithuanians just suddenly took it into their heads to start beating Jews to death in 1941 because they were bad Lithuanians. Jewish behavior bore no connection at all to this outbreak.

    It gets tedious.

    *The sole exception that comes to mind occurs in The Chosen. The father explains to his son the history of the Hasids — and discusses how Jews exploited and oppressed the Christian peasantry of the Ukraine, provoking Khmelinski’s (sp?) uprising.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  77. Kali says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Comment #1 in its entirity:
    Our Fran said:

    I don’t know Gilad Christians stockpile a lot of weapons. Christians dropped the bomb on Hiroshima. Context is everything.

    Comment #57:
    Our Fran says:

    Of course it was Americans that dropped the bomb and not Christians and or Jews. That is my point against the accusations that it was a American Jew who did this etc.

    It don’t easy do it Fran?
    Sometimes I think you just need a hug and a nice cuppa tea for your nerves.

    Love,
    Kali.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @BDS Always
  78. A123 says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    The problem with what you propose is that it asks victims to do penance for the crimes of their attackers. Start with the question, “Why do Jews living in the ancestral homeland of their religion need to take such extreme measures to protect themselves?”

    In nearby nations, Muslims have conducted brutal campaigns of ethnic cleansing against defenseless Jews.
    _____

    The conduct of Israeli leaders is a direct consequence and reaction to the very real danger of Muslim violence.

    Let us take your list for obtaining Absolution:

    — When will Islam admit that it has sinned?
    — When will Muslims do penance?
    — When will Islam make reparations?
    — When will Muslims amend their lives and end violence against Infidels?

    As long as Muslims are killing Jews and occupying Jewish land, Israeli leaders must do what is necessary to keep the Jews of Israel alive. The actions of these Israeli leaders are “necessities” not crimes.

    As long as Muslims dream the false dream of conquest from The River to The Sea, little can be achieved. When Muslims are willing to make sacrifices for peace, there will be a chance for that to happen. Until then, violent Muslim terror and rocket attacks on defenseless Israeli civilians will be met by necessary and wholly non-criminal responses.

    PEACE 😇

    • Troll: SolontoCroesus, renfro
    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  79. Kali says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Oh, you poor dear, Fran.

    He said that, like you, he comes from peasant stock, though unlike you he isn’t trying to make himself look good in front of others out of a sense of inferiority, and neither has he been taught to hate or taught to put another counties interests ahead of his home country.

    Hope this helps.

    Love,
    Kali.

  80. AaronB says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    You have your version, and others have their version. Everyone has their own facts, logic, and arguments.

    Just as you hate the mainstream version of German history, many people will hate the version you are pushing. Just as you feel violated at that version, others will feel violated at your version.

    This is why it’s called the “cycle” of violence – because people start doing what they feel was done to them. You hate the normal version of history, you think it was a violence against you, so you’re now pushing your version. That’s the cycle. And maybe you’ll win for a while. Then whoever feels your version is a violence against them will start pushing their version. And the cycle continues. Endlessly.

    You can argue endlessly over it. You can believe your version is correct and others wrong. You can believe you are the good guy and they are they bad guys.

    You can insist that they must now ritually admit their evil and submit to your version – thus establishing your superiority over them. That we can’t just get along until your version is accepted and your opponets abase themselves by submitting to you.

    And they can do the same thing to you. And in general, the stronger side will win out.

    All this is just masks for the ego and our desire for power and superiority. That version of events that you are so convinced is correct is just your ego talking. To not grasp that, is to not have taken the first step toward maturity. And not just you, but all of us who think this way

    But there might be a better way, a way out. To break the cycle, someone must stop responding in kind – instead of meeting hate with hate, someone must meet gate with love.

    Instead of demonizing your enemy when he demonized you, you try to see his good points – and you show him that you don’t hate him. Instead of insisting all good is on your side and all evil on the enemies side, you desist from calling your enemy evil.

    Instead of refusing to get along until your opponent bows to your version of events, you no longer insist on any particular version of events.

    • Replies: @Kali
  81. @SolontoCroesus

    ‘… Their aspect is pretentious, of course; they are merely ludicrous; baboons mimicking a prince…’

    Indeed. Fran, for example, has about the mental firepower of Frank next door.

    Frank’s a very good man — and it’s started to dawn on me that intelligence isn’t the only measure of human worth. I just have to bite my tongue when he explains to me that things would become a lot clearer if I just listened to Rush Limbaugh regularly.

    Fran just manages to make herself contemptible.

  82. @SolontoCroesus

    Welcome to Aaron’s Basket of Deplorables, where we all hate Jews and think they’re entirely evil and we’re entirely good — a rent-free hovel in the glorious province of Schizo-Buddhism.

    Aaron just wants to play with us here and he knows it. Don’t you, Aaron?

    • Agree: Kali
  83. ‘… And then you can try and break the mold.’

    …but in your case, that would require that you cease doing evil; cease being a partisan and supporter of evil.

    In my case — while I could certainly do more — I do bestir myself to try to cease doing evil; I am an American, and I do what I can to undermine America’s support for Israel.

    Good and evil aren’t just arbitrary matters of perspective; whether the commandant of Treblinka was bad and his victims good wasn’t just a function of how you looked at it. Fritz Stangl was objectively causing death, pain, and terror; his victims weren’t.

    There isn’t some enlightened place where your views become good. They never are; and continually piling more pseudo-intellectual manure on that won’t alter the fact.

  84. anon[136] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kali

    Sometimes I think you just need a hug and a nice cuppa tea for your nerves.

    And failing that, you just need to press a pillow down hard on its hateful little jew face to put it out of its jew misery for good.

  85. @Kali

    It is so easy to see the Hasbara split personality style of posting by Fran…

  86. AaronB says:
    @Colin Wright

    This is part of the problem; Aaron, for example, claimed he wasn’t just blaming gentiles; he thought Jews were at fault as well. I asked him for examples.

    Crickets.

    That’s incorrect. I just don’t frame it in terms of good vs evil.

    I have tried to see the point of view of the Europeans who attacked Jews and I have tried to understand what Jews might have done that made it seem justified to attack them.

    What I have found was not a morality play where all good is on one side and all bad on the other. The idea that Jews were attacked out of sheer malice cannot be supported. Similarly, the idea pushed on Unz that Jews were the malicious aggressors and Europeans merely victims is similarly simple minded.

    Jews were competing in medieval Europe, like everyone else. Like everyone else, they had a will to power – they wanted to be a wealthy and successful community.

    European were also competing – against Jews, groups within their societies, foreigners, classes, etc. They also had a will to power and a desire to dominate.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  87. Tavo says:

    A fool must have written this article.

  88. @AaronB

    ‘… Jews were competing in medieval Europe, like everyone else. Like everyone else, they had a will to power – they wanted to be a wealthy and successful community.

    European were also competing – against Jews, groups within their societies, foreigners, classes, etc. They also had a will to power and a desire to dominate.’

    This is really just a variation on the ‘we did nothing to provoke the attacks — so we’re blameless.’

    The variation is ‘Jews were just doing what everyone else did — so we’re blameless.’

    I could go into further detail about that — and the flaws with the logic — but let’s back up.

    You never specified — in concrete terms — what it is you agree Jews did wrong.

    What are those things? You agree they were there. What — in your view — were they?

    • Replies: @AaronB
  89. AaronB says:
    @Colin Wright

    Jews were blameless. So were the European peasants who attacked them.

    Both groups were trying to look out for their interests as best they could understand them under difficult circumstances. Both groups had some bad people at the top that made the situation worse than it had to be.

    The desire to “blame” is the source of conflict – it is the opposite of love.

    A great Frenchman said, ‘to understand everything is to forgive everything”. That may not be completely accurate, but I have not yet encountered a situation where a genuine effort to understand did not reveal a much more sympathetic enemy position than you had thought – and that includes the Nazis.

  90. @AaronB

    ‘Jews were blameless. So were the European peasants who attacked them.’

    I knew you’d fucking equivocate. You do realize you’re just demonstrating my point?

    Let’s start with first principles. Was the Green River Killer ‘blameless’?

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  91. Skeptikal says:
    @Saggy

    I believe I have a right to hate whomever I please.
    And to say I hate the person, or the group, or any thing.

    There is a difference between an emotion or a feeling or a sensible reaction, and hurting another.
    “Sticks and bones may break my bones but words can never hurt me.”

    Whatever happened to that old saw that used to be part of instructions from parent to child not to overreact from negatives or taunting that he or she might experience on the playground. Of school, or of life. In fact, that was taught to children so that they would throw this taunt back in the face of anyone who called them names. But oversensitive Jews don’t want to really defend themselves psychologically. They want to hide behind the skirts of “teacher” and play the cowering infant while an “authority” figure forbids anyone to say anything nasty. Meanwhile whiny Jewish victim-as-child indulges himself or herself in kicking other children when Teacher is not looking

    This hatred of “hate” is also a hate. Obviously. Truism there. But it is also a love. A favorite pastime and passion. Stirs one up!

  92. Skeptikal says:
    @BDS Always

    Gates with his utterances starts to sound like the liar who just can’t help blurting out what he knows. What is making Gates blow his own cover?

    • Replies: @BDS Always
  93. @AaronB

    ‘…A great Frenchman said, ‘to understand everything is to forgive everything”. That may not be completely accurate, but I have not yet encountered a situation where a genuine effort to understand did not reveal a much more sympathetic enemy position than you had thought – and that includes the Nazis.’

    Suppose we grant that. Yet you would extend it to argue that therefore, we should support the Nazis.

    What if I don’t think we should? What if I think we should do everything possible to defeat them, and that those who would prevent that are necessarily — consciously or not — serving evil?

    Or do you think it’s some kind of moral zero-sum game if thousands of inoffensive oiks at a time are herded into pits and shot down? Children? Terrified little girls? Desperate mothers?

    Tell me it was all fine, Aaron. You know you need to.

    …now, I’m enjoying watching ‘Is Paris Burning?’ — yet again. Decidedly uneven, and more than a dollop of wishful thinking, but it has its moments. Go away, and take your moral travesty of a nation with you.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  94. @Colin Wright

    You do realize you’re just demonstrating my point?

    Sure, but even so …

    How can someone who insists that you hate Jews qua Jews when you know you don’t even begin to preach about the necessity of avoiding blame?

    Wouldn’t you agree that a man who levels so many ridiculous accusations so frequently and so blithely while penning mellifluous overtures for peace might have a bit of a … uhm … pathological problem?

    Pity is what I feel for him. Give him anger and he just imbibes it like wine.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  95. @A123

    The incomprehensible Solonto a National Socialist cheerleader, who thinks the Nazis were really good just misunderstood, and badly propagandized by the Jews. Feels strongly that the the hatred of the Jews caused WW1 and WW2.
    Essentially the Germans were victims of the Jews.
    SC finds a Jew behind every mass killings from Hamburg to Hiroshima. He looks thru the genealogy for a parent or a grandparent, or great grandparent, for a Jewish gene anywhere there is a mass murder, or evil lurking.

    That Tibbets who dropped the bomb was a Jew thru his mother which is a lie.
    Solonto acts like there is no one other then Jews committing atrocities in the world, and cries that he is being abused.
    A case could be made for those who solute Hitler and idolize National Socialism as being deranged, or certainly has behavior deficiencies to admire a Hitler.
    SC is not computing as a logical person. SC as also taken on socket puppetry as Anon #178 and #347 and personally attacked my family and me.

    • Troll: Kali
  96. @AnonStarter

    ‘…Wouldn’t you agree that a man who levels so many ridiculous accusations so frequently and so blithely while penning mellifluous overtures for peace might have a bit of a … uhm … pathological problem?’

    It comes across as pretty disturbed.

    However, let’s pretend to be charitable here. Aaron came from Israel at thirteen as a no-doubt patriotic little citizen of the Jewish ethnocracy there.

    I suspect he’s in Marin County, California, and living with his parents. He’s got to restate all that racial supremacist nonsense in a form that comes across as palatable among the prosperous, educated, liberal Jews of Marin County. Hence all the pseudo-Buddhist universalist relativistic framing.

    Just brain-storming here. Aaron’s ideas are wretched tripe, but they obviously have an origin.

    Come on, Aaron, pitch in. Tell us all about it. We’re here to help. Do you have a girlfriend?

    • LOL: AnonStarter
  97. Kali says:
    @AaronB

    You can argue endlessly over it. You can believe your version is correct and others wrong. You can believe you are the good guy and they are they bad guys.

    Or you can examine and assess all of the available evidence to arrive at the truth. Unless, of course, examination of the evidence and questioning the narrative put forward by one group in a given conflict had been made a Criminal Offence… then you can’t without risking jail.

    All this is just masks for the ego and our desire for power and superiority.

    Indeed.

    Kali.

  98. I have been posting this for a while. Anti Zionism is dead in the collective Arab world and amongst mainstream Palestinian society, as described in this recent WSJ article. People on the ground in Israel and talks amongst Palestinians (not their leaders whom it’s people hate more then Israel) is the desire for peace, prosperity and a future for their children. They are against the resistant path of defeating Israel that their leaders have chosen. Their are statistics to back this claim up.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/israels-new-diplomatic-moment-11583279454?mod=opinion_lead_pos8

    The Anti- Zionism on UR have nothing to do with Israel/ Palestine, it is another classification of Jew hatred. The commentators on UR do not know any Palestinians or how they feel, nor do they really care, the Palestinians serve one purpose and that is to hate on the Jews. These anti Zionist have a passionate desire to call JEWS out for: Apartheid, racism, torture, raw sewage, cruelty etc. They insist these are the things Jews do because that is what Jews do. That is what Jews have always done, and will continue to do because they are Jews and Judaism is a supremacist religion wanting to enslave the world and the Palestinians are subject A.
    That is the mantra regardless of the facts that the Arab world and Palestinians no longer believe the Jews are the problem. Jew hatred is a bogus paradigm that solves nothing and in the end will not succeed. It has already proven a failure.

    The number of Palestinian Jerusalemites electing to educate their children in schools offering an Israeli matriculation exam is tripling each year, according to David Koren, an Education Ministry official. Hebrew courses for Arabs are flourishing. Given the choice, Jerusalem’s Palestinians are choosing attachment to stable, First World Israel over absorption into the corrupt, dysfunctional Palestinian Authority.

    This trend is even clearer among Israel’s Arab citizens, especially its rising middle class. The furious reaction among Israeli Arabs in the “Triangle”—an area the Trump peace plan suggests a future Palestinian state might include—says it all. Sha’a Mansour Massarwa, mayor of the Arab city of Tayibe, described the proposal as a “nightmare.”

    The talk behind the scenes is now of non belligerency agreements, open economic and business ties, overflights and visits of trade delegations between the Gulf states and Israel.
    That non-Arab states must take up the Arab world’s traditional banner confirms it: The old Arab order is gone, and Mr. Trump’s plan may usher its departure into the daylight. If Mr. Netanyahu can assemble a coalition at home, he’ll be first in line to reap the diplomatic fruits abroad.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @Colin Wright
  99. Wally says:
    @Fran Taubman

    said:
    “The Prince of Peace SC walking with Sadistic masochists SS killers, enslaving Slavic, gypsies, and Jews, killers of women and children. Shooting civilians on the spot. Your heroes. The worst sadistic killers in the world. Medical experiments on children. Cruelty no one ever knew possible.”

    – No surprise. Absurd & laughable Zionist religious propaganda recited by a Zionist talking parrot.

    – You have not a shred of proof for any of that thoroughly debunked nonsense, as has been shown at this site and elsewhere..

    recommend, another typical “survivor” tale / question it and you will be imprisoned in Europe and “Israel”:
    Nazi Masturbation Machines:
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/cIYf8UCmr1mz/

  100. AaronB says:
    @Colin Wright

    Well, its not for me to tell you what to do. If you’re emotionally in a place right now where you have to demonize Jews and Israel, then go for it – that’s what you gotta do. Do it with zest and gusto, as you do. Hate those damn Jews and those awful Israelis and that evil religion.

    I’m not even really judging you – a year ago, I was also in a place where I needed to demonize the enemy and put my self up. I know all about it.

    Spiritual things are worthless if they don’t come from within, if they aren’t genuine. You can’t force it.

    And there is a saying “the fool who persists in his folly becomes wise”.

    You know, I often wonder why I spend time on this site where the primary purpose of is to vilify Jews, and where so many people seem to be awful people.

    I realized today that I’d rather be around people who are just terrible, awful people but who are completely honest about it rather than with dull respectable people. I used to enjoy going to seedy bars and I always liked the run down charm of the tropical Third World over the clean efficient northern places. I just don’t like the respectable, I guess.

    And then of course, you learn that the terrible people have their point of view too, and are just trying to survive and feel they have value the best way they know how, even it seems like they’re doing it wrong.

    So you gotta do you, Colin. If you ever get tired of it, there’s another perspective out there. If not, hey, Buddhists believe we have countless lifetimes to become Enlightened – there is no hurry 🙂

  101. AaronB says:
    @Fran Taubman

    This is true.

    There’s a lot of friendliness and cooperation between Jews and Arabs on the ground. It’s really mostly the Palestinian leadership that is the problem. There are all sorts of stories from the region of Arabs and Muslims integrating in healthy ways in Israeli society – there us even an entire IDF unit of Arab Muslims that guard settlements and arrests Palestinians! And they have shown themselves to be loyal and competent.

    When you rub elbows together for so long, you can’t help but kind of learn to live with each other more or less normally. And of course Muslims under Jewish rule are freer and more prosperous than in most Muslim countries today.

    The whole conflict is a bit of a farce at this point, and sustained mostly – and unfortunately – by outside actors on the wider Muslim world.

    By my reading of history, Israel has at least another 300 or 400 years on an “upward” trajectory – I suspect more and more integration will start taking place.

    The main thing is for the Arabs to desist from violence and face reality – that is inevitable. I suspect in the next few centuries large chunks will convert to Judaism, as generally happens in theSe situations. And according to Colin Wright, these are descendents of the original Jews who converted to Islam, so they will just be coming home. All is well that ends well.

    And of course there will always be communities of Christians and Muslims in Israel, and without violence and accepting reality, they can become assets.

    • Replies: @A123
  102. @AaronB

    ‘Well, its not for me to tell you what to do. If you’re emotionally in a place right now where you have to demonize Jews and Israel, then go for it – that’s what you gotta do. Do it with zest and gusto, as you do…’

    Do I?

    I don’t suppose you could quote any examples of me ‘demonizing Jews’ — as distinct from attacking Israel and Israelis?

  103. A123 says:
    @AaronB

    The main thing is for the Arabs to desist from violence and face reality – that is inevitable.

    The anti-Israel factions in Lebanon and Israel are backed by Persian money. And, the reality is that Iran is too poor to keep funding destabilization of the region. Without outside cash Iranian al’Hezbollah, Iranian al’Hamas, and Palestinian Iranian Jihad [PIJ] are inevitably doomed.

    There is a serious risk. The war criminals of UNRWA have been intentionally deceiving children with a pro-terror curriculum in Palestinian schools. After being fed false hope for 70+ years, I am not sure that the Muslim population as a whole is capable of facing reality. It would only take a small % of the Muslim population to continue the unrealistic, senseless, irrational, and collective violence against Jews.

    If Islam is incapable of facing the Reality of Peace many of the security policies would have to remain, and that will make an economic growth difficult to achieve.

    PEACE 😇

    • Agree: Fran Taubman
    • Replies: @AaronB
  104. AaronB says:
    @A123

    Its true that Iran is finding it increasingly hard to finance Hezbollah and Hamas, and this will have an impact.

    The Islamic world in general seems to be in a very bad situation and to be on a downward trajectory, mostly through their own doing.

    I am optimistic though that this will change – it cannot last forever.

    A lot of the disunity and internal fighting in the Muslim world has the same source as their desire to destroy Israel. When you are too aggressive, you can’t contain that just towards enemies but begin to fight among your friends too.

    So a general reduction of aggression in the Muslim world would lead to unity and cooperation among them but at the same time, a reduction in the desire to destroy Israel.

    So its a win and win, and I think only a matter of time.

  105. @Skeptikal

    The belief that the people are sheep and he is untouchable.

  106. @Fran Taubman

    ‘I have been posting this for a while. Anti Zionism is dead in the collective Arab world and amongst mainstream Palestinian society, as described in this recent WSJ article…’

    And by golly, you’ll keep posting it until it becomes true.

    As Rise and Kill First admits, the Zionists have repeatedly declared total victory — and therefore refused to compromise. This happened in the nineteen fifties, in 1967, in the nineteen eighties and nineties, in the 2000’s.

    It may well be happening now. However, Israel ultimately occupies a false position. Her position will always deteriorate, no matter how often she shores it up.

    There is no final state of equilibrium, where Israel comes to exist in the sense that Ireland exists, or Finland exists, or Thailand exists. The equilibrium for Israel is oblivion, and sooner or later it will be realized.

    Right now, Israel is losing that hold she’s had on both ends of the American political spectrum since at least the nineteen sixties. That will be a defeat of incomparably greater magnitude than anything the Palestinians have ever done or ever could do. So what if you do defeat Sanders and get your war on Iran? Do you really think that will improve your position?

    It would be catastrophic.

    ‘The more you tighten your grip, Lord Vader, the more star systems will slip through your fingers.’

  107. ‘The more you tighten your grip, Lord Vader, the more star systems will slip through your fingers.’

    You have got it all backwards as usual. The grip is loosening not tightening.

    There is no final state of equilibrium, where Israel comes to exist in the sense that Ireland exists, or Finland exists, or Thailand exists. The equilibrium for Israel is oblivion, and sooner or later it will be realized.

    Equilibrium in Israel already exist. The Arab collective and Muslim community at large accept Jewish sovereignty over Israel. The only way forward is for all of Arabia to bond together with the Jews and help the people in Syria and the rest of the ME, a joint Arab Jewish community.

    The only current resistance are the Jihadist, Islamist and nut jobs like you who imagine gestapo like conditions for Palestinians that do not exist. It fits your narrative that Jews are the new Nazis and were really according to SC the old Nazi in disguise. To those on UR the Jews and Judaism are are a destructive force causing chaos in the world. A fable created by Islamist propaganda about Judaism and Jews from the Q’uran. A religious view that serves the lefts ideas that Jews are the global economic puppet masters of the world. A match made in heaven the Islamist and Western left. It also serves the right as the Jews represent the degrading of Western values, that Jews support immigration, homosexuals and femminist. The home runs of Jew hatred. These ideas are being defeated at the polls in individual countries and by the Arab collective in Arabia. Just UR dogs left standing.

    Right now, Israel is losing that hold she’s had on both ends of the American political spectrum since at least the nineteen sixties. That will be a defeat of incomparably greater magnitude than anything the Palestinians have ever done or ever could do. So what if you do defeat Sanders and get your war on Iran? Do you really think that will improve your position?

    You can see how lost you are as this paragraph makes no sense, not as individual sentences or a concept to ponder. Trump will win and like the Labour loss. Britain and the rest of Europe will continue to support Israel, and we will look at the Jihadist, Islamist and you in our rear view mirror. What will you do to torture people in the future with your phony intellectual cockamamie ideas Do you have a girlfriend Colin? Do you have a dog or a cat? Does it make you feel all tingly inside fucking with people?

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @BDS Always
  108. AaronB says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Equilibrium in Israel already exist. The Arab collective and Muslim community at large accept Jewish sovereignty over Israel. The only way forward is for all of Arabia to bond together with the Jews and help the people in Syria and the rest of the ME, a joint Arab Jewish community.

    This is a beautiful idea.

    A productive idea, not a destructive idea. We have to search for productive ideas, ideas that give life, and not destructive ideas, ideas about destroying countries and putting them into oblivion.

    • LOL: AnonStarter
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  109. @Fran Taubman

    Some more good news for our Hasbara Bollock merchants.

    After a four-year, cross-continental BDS campaign, Israel’s culinary propaganda festival Round Tables did not take place in 2019.
    https://bdsmovement.net/news/over-cooked-round-tables-ends

    Puma Says #BoycottPuma Campaign Is “Making Their Lives Miserable”
    A Palestinian rights supporter recently had a chance encounter with a Puma attorney, who said, “You’re making our lives miserable.”

    That’s right. Puma says that principled calls from human rights groups and sports associations to end its support for illegal Israeli settlements driving Palestinian families off their land are making their lives miserable.
    https://bdsmovement.net/news/puma-says-boycottpuma-campaign-making-their-lives-miserable

    https://bdsmovement.net/news/largest-malaysian-university-ends-contract-with-puma-over-support-for-illegal-israeli

    We are winning!

    • Thanks: Kali
    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
    , @AnonStarter
  110. @AaronB

    “You know, I often wonder why I spend time on this site where the primary purpose of is to vilify Jews, and where so many people seem to be awful people.”

    So do we as you will get nowhere.

  111. Saggy says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    Shooting civilians on the spot.

  112. @BDS Always

    WOW WOW!!! Malaysian University!! and the Israeli Culinary Round Table!! You are killing it!!

    The Israeli economy has never been stronger. Trade never better.
    How long have you been at this? And the Culinary Round Table, such a power play. Other then some cultural events you have failed miserably in affecting trade or the economy.

  113. @AaronB

    ‘Equilibrium in Israel already exist. The Arab collective and Muslim community at large accept Jewish sovereignty over Israel. The only way forward is for all of Arabia to bond together with the Jews and help the people in Syria and the rest of the ME, a joint Arab Jewish community.’

    ‘This is a beautiful idea.

    A productive idea, not a destructive idea. We have to search for productive ideas, ideas that give life, and not destructive ideas, ideas about destroying countries and putting them into oblivion.’

    The dishonesty and hypocrisy implicit in these quotations is almost breath taking.

    Congratulations, I guess. Of course, Fran and Aaron will have to share the prize. Do you see it as just your accomplishment, or as one made on behalf of Jewry in general?

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  114. @BDS Always

    The symbolic impact of BDS is more significant than its actual effect on the Israeli economy.

    In America, hate speech legislation will never make it through the Supreme Court, no matter how high and deep Trump might stack it. The judiciary may have its biases, but where the First Amendment is concerned, it has been historically consistent in protecting the right to boycott, all biases notwithstanding. The Lobby is losing that battle here where they appear to prevail in Europe — for the time being, at least. This is significant because America is the actual nexus of the Palestinian crisis.

    Factor in the demographic scenario — Muslim Americans will outnumber Jewish Americans within one generation — and the situation looks even more promising. Currently, Sanders’s strong showing is a sign of things to come, so the nomination really isn’t as important as what his popularity signifies.

    But there’s something else to consider …

    Don’t imagine that zionists haven’t considered a scenario where Israel in Palestine becomes an expendable liability. I realize this may seem impossible, but it’s actually more rational than we realize. What matters to them ultimately is the survival of Israel, and if placed in the scales against the Holy Land, the former will always outweigh the latter.

    Where the worldly long-game is concerned, they’re among the best, if not the best. Surely, this is, at the very least, a contingency plan.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  115. @Colin Wright

    The dishonesty and hypocrisy implicit in these quotations is almost breath taking.

    That’s cause you wouldn’t know hypocrisy and your so breathtaking colin. A real Din Juan. Breathtaking colin.

  116. There’s more Christians in this country then Jews and Muslims put together. Most Christians in America do not want to see an increase in the Muslim population and are fearful that too many Muslims will lead to Shira. Islam has failed to successfully integrate into Western democracies. The Hispanic community the largest Christian population in the US is very anti Islam.

    So when you think of a the combined Judeo- Christian community, the situation for Muslims is not so promising.
    I do not see Muslims being part of the military complex defending this country.maybe I am wrong.

  117. @AnonStarter

    Edit: “… they’re among the best, if not the best players.”

    • Replies: @BDS Always
  118. ‘…I do not see Muslims being part of the military complex defending this country.maybe I am wrong.’

    Look up the percentage of American dead in Viet Nam, Afghanistan, and Iraq who were Jewish.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  119. Kali says:
    @AaronB

    If you’re emotionally in a place right now where you have to demonize Jews and Israel, then go for it

    The “bemonisation” of “israel” and its supporters has nothing to do with an “emotional state” Aaron, and everything to do with the behaviour of “israel” and those diaspora jews and non-Jews who supported it’s foundation and support its continued genocidal existance.

    You constantly glossing over the sheer terror which “the Jewish state” has brought to bare in Palestine and around the world only reveals your own bias.

    Even supporting that state in its current manifestation (ignoring past crimes) requires a sick and/or ignorant mind.

    With thousands of children deliberately blinded, maimed, imprisoned for months and years on end, with no charges, no trial, no chance, and tortured. – Just this aspect alone of “israeli” treatment of Palestinian children shows “israel” to be the demon which you would castigate us for recognising.

    Your support of this demon reveals what is truly in your heart AaronB, and it ain’t Buddha or Lau Tzu.

    Kali.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  120. Kali says:

    Oh, so much vitriol from the hasbra contingent, even as they deceive themselves about the true character and nature of “the Jewish state”.

    Yet not one of you, Fran, AaronB, Seasame St ABC, et al, have the gumption to address the fact that, if “israel” is to survive, unchallenged, unmolested and, above all, unafraid, Palestine (both physically and ideologically) MUST die!

    What say you paragons of “Jewish virtue”?
    How do YOU imagine a future for your purported “homeland” which allows it’s moral/ideological enemies to survive?

    The very NATURE of “israel”, from its inception to the present day and into the future REQUIRES perpetual war on all fronts.

    No?

    Kali.

  121. @Colin Wright

    Breathtaking Colin simply breathtaking. Take a deep breath. Before the volunteer army, like Ww2 and Korea all available Jews fought and died in American wars including the Civil War. Don’t know the current demographics.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  122. @AnonStarter

    Best player?,
    Naah, best at cheating, deception and lying, without a doubt.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  123. Agreed upon Kali.

    Those HBM (Hasbara Bollocks Merchants) are continously trying to polish and sugar coat the Turd that is Zionism.

    Here is a example of the mentality of those that love that Turd.

    Richard Boyd Barrett MP reads out shocking statements made recently by Israeli government ministers. These words come in the wake of the 2014 assault on Gaza which saw over 2100 Palestinians killed, 10,000 injured and 100,000 made homeless. Of those killed, over 500 were children – children whom the current Israeli Justice Minister, Ayelet Shaked, refers to as “snakes”.

  124. @BDS Always

    Naah, best at cheating, deception and lying, without a doubt.

    Pay close attention to the original statement:

    “Where the worldly long-game is concerned, they’re among the best, if not the best players.”

    If you imagine that cheating, deception, and lying aren’t part and parcel of that game, I’ve got some oceanfront property in Kansas you might be interested in.

    • Replies: @BDS Always
    , @Saggy
  125. Saggy says: • Website
    @AnonStarter

    They certainly seem to be the best at the game, but what is puzzling is why we let them win. It is as if the European races have been mentally paralyzed, turned into zombies who assist, rather that resist, the Jews.

    And I do think they’ve made at least one fatal blunder, the holohoax. That is why Atzmon won’t discuss it. In the long run I don’t think Judaism can survive the holohoax.

    That is why it is important to not only point out that the holocaust is a total hoax, but to prove it, at every opportunity. One easy proof is that Elie Wiesel. the first director of the USHMM, was a prisoner at Auschwitz when the holohoax claims that 10,000 Jews per day were being killed there in gas chambers disguised as shower rooms, and in his memoir describing his captivity he doesn’t mention gas chambers at all and claims the Nazis killed the Jews by tossing them alive into burning pits, one for children, one for adults. I’m sure I could come up with at least five one paragraph proofs.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    , @AnonStarter
  126. anarchyst says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Not true. If jews entered American military service, they were commissioned as officers, NOT enlisted. Very few jews entered the enlisted ranks.
    Add to that, most “draft boards” of the day were heavily staffed by jews and would “help” their fellow jews avoid military service. Deferments were readily available for those of the “tribe”. Jews attending college were also exempt from military service.
    When it comes to numbers, almost NO jews entered American military service in either world war, Korea or Vietnam. To this day, there are almost no jews in military service.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  127. anarchyst says:
    @Saggy

    The fact that there are holohoax martyrs doing “hard time” in various countries for merely observing that the so-called “holocaust ™” is one giant scam that has been perpetrated on the world in order to provide deflection for jewish amoral behavior.
    If the jewish “holocaust ™” is “fact”, why imprison those who dare to dissent from the “official” explanation?
    jewish “holocaustianity ™” is the new worldwide “state religion” from which no dissension or unbelief is permitted.

    • Agree: Kali
  128. @Saggy

    They certainly seem to be the best at the game, but what is puzzling is why we let them win.

    There are some things we need to consider …

    That game is about attaining worldly power and influence. It isn’t one that most people are interested in playing, so they leave it to others. This isn’t so bad as it seems, as it’s quite a burdensome and costly game to play, and most of us are content with whatever we can find without it.

    That said, it also isn’t such a bad idea to organize and establish institutions — however small or large — as a base from which to act in our own interests and affect our environment accordingly. We don’t have to focus upon opposing them directly so much as we have to work to provide an alternative to what they have to offer. Confucius say: “Better to light a candle than curse the darkness.”

    For example, you could establish an organization devoted to the dissemination of historical literature alternative to the mainstream. I realize this has been done many times, but let’s ask ourselves: how many satellite organizations does the Lobby have? The proliferation of such organizations allows them to have the depth and breadth of effect that they do, so there’s nothing wrong with learning from the method and applying it ourselves.

    Personally, I feel we need not only this kind of organization, but institutions providing a foundation for moral guidance and the preservation of the family that endures from one generation to the next. If we stood firmly upon such a foundation, not only would their “winning” not concern us, it would be understood for the path to perdition it most assuredly is.

    When we understand and accept that embracing goodness is its own reward, nothing else will matter. Only then will our condition begin to change.

    • Agree: Kali
  129. @anarchyst

    My father and all his brothers and cousins served in WW2 as enlisted men. One lost his leg. You don’t know what you are talking about. There was recently a PBS special on Jews in the military.
    They ran to the draft boards. And no Jews were on the draft boards. Fuck off with this nonsense.

    Jewish

    Americans continued to serve in the following two major wars, both of which involved the use of conscripted troops. Over 150,000 Jewish Americans (men and women) served in the Korean War. In Vietnam, 30,000 served.[48]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_Jewish_Americans

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    , @Colin Wright
  130. @Kali

    Honestly Kali you seem to have quite a bit of vitriol and a maddening amount of false information. 99% of what you see on the internet is false, especially about Jews and Israel.

    Lets tick this off:

    You constantly glossing over the sheer terror which “the Jewish state” has brought to bare in Palestine and around the world only reveals your own bias.

    You have this wrong it should read the sheer terror by the Palestinian Jihadist towards Israel. After the fall of the Camp David there was a 2nd Intifada and 1100 Israelis lost their lives from suicide bombs in Pizza parlors and malls. Every Israeli school bus has a IDF soldier, due to the terror threats and bus bombings of children. It is the Israeli citizens that have lived under constant threat from Palestinian terrorist, including women and elderly people like Leon Klinghoffer. The airplane hijackings by Palestinians and the murder of 10 Israel athletes at the Munich olympics. Kali you can google this. But to know Israelis who lived through this is mind boggling to be called them the terrorist. You are so ass backwards on this in is mind boggling

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Aqsa_Intifada
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avivim_school_bus_bombing

    With thousands of children deliberately blinded, maimed, imprisoned for months and years on end, with no charges, no trial, no chance, and tortured. – Just this aspect alone of “israeli” treatment of Palestinian children shows “israel” to be the demon which you would castigate us for recognising.

    Do you have any facts or statistics on this to back up this claim? And do not post memes most are faked as well as the videos we call it Palywood propaganda. Children are not deliberately blinded and maimed. If you are talking about the Gaza border fires where Hamas has tried to charge Israel and ignited arson fires throughout the neighboring farmland. Yes children were harmed when Hamas brought children to a war zone for cannon fodder as they set ablaze Israel. Shame on Hamas.Children are not tortured or kept illegally in jail. Teenagers have been charged with inciting violence with rock throwing. The Palestinians have done horrific torture to the three students they captured and killed in 2014 by Hamas.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_kidnapping_and_murder_of_Israeli_teenagers

    Israel is like any other country or people in the world, they have had their share of problems and are not perfect and have committed crimes. It is morally outrages to single out the Jews and Israel of immortally and genocide towards the Palestinians whose population has quadrupled since 1948.
    There is no genocide of Palestinians. Palestinians and Israelis work together throughout the country.

    Equally outrages to accuse Israel of deliberately mistreating Palestinians as opposed to defending their country and population.
    You are so upside down on this. Go visit Israel.

    NO MEMES OF TORTURED CHILDREN ALL FAKE.!!! NO FAKE VIDEOS OF TORTURED CHILDREN.

    • Replies: @Kali
    , @BDS Always
    , @Kali
    , @anonymous
  131. anarchyst says:
    @Fran Taubman

    PBS has a decidedly pro-jewish “slant” and as such cannot be trusted.

    30,000 jews out of 2,594,400 total military served in Vietnam. Only 30,000 jews. Sure sounds like (lack of) “patriotism” to me…

    Now if it were the IDF, it would be a different story.

    I stand by my statement…very few jews served in the American military during the Vietnam conflict. Jews were more likely to be “protesters” and communist sympathizers…and the communists knew it…

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    , @Fran Taubman
  132. anarchyst says:
    @anarchyst

    1.15% of total were jews who served in Vietnam. I wonder how many American jews served in the IDF? Betcha it was a lot more…

  133. @anarchyst

    Everything you said is false. You can stand by it all you want. A pack of lies.
    Try growing up with a relative that lost his leg in the Pacific ocean and think that Jews did not serve in the wars. Horseshit.

    • Troll: anarchyst
  134. Kali says:
    @Fran Taubman

    How long have you been reading and commenting on UR Fran? How long have you been ignoring, rejecting and glossing over the reams of evidence that “israel” is a terrorist state, founded by terrorists? How many poisoned wells did it take to establish the Jewish state? How many refugees?

    “Israel” did not exist in Palestine until 1948 when, by terror, it took for itself the homeland of the existing inhabitants. And to this very day it continues to take more.

    How many reports of children maimed by idf exploding bullets, how many Palestinians forced to demolish their own homes, how many children dying alone in “israeli” hospitals, how many children held in military prisons, beaten and threatened by cowards dressed as soldiers, how many Palestinian journalists shot, blinded, killed by “israel”, how many atrocities have you chosen to ignore or spin as virtues?
    I could go on and on, but what would be the point? You will reject every thing I say and every proof I bring because you prefer to hide behind willful ignorance rather than face the truth. ISRAEL IS A RACIST, TERRORISTS STATE!

    Below, I have grabbed a few links to support my assertions, though really I know I’m wasting my time. – Remember when I suggested you read Douglas Reeds’ The Controversy of Zion, but you rejected the notion because some Jewish website told you it was anti-sham-itic and Reed a racist? – How can you ever hope to learn anything about anything if you choose to avoid information or evidence that doesn’t confirm your bias?

    [MORE]

    The systematic abuse of children, from arresting them in the middle of the night, to keeping them from their parents, to inflicting physical abuse, is aimed at coercing confessions.

    Seventeen-year-old Bashir, who was summoned for questioning, told DCIP, “[The Israeli interrogation officer] kicked me twice on my legs, punched me twice in the stomach and three times on the head, while shouting, ‘You better confess because I won’t stop beating you unless you confess.’”

    https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/charlotte-silver/number-palestinian-children-israeli-prisons-soars

    That’s what Ahmad F said happened to him. A 15-year-old from ‘Iraq Burin village, just outside Nablus, he was arrested in July 2011. He was taken to the nearby Huwwara interrogation centre, where he was left outside from 5am until 3pm. At one point, soldiers brought a dog. “They brought the dog’s food and put it on my head,” Ahmad told DCI. “Then they put another piece of bread on my trousers near my genitals, so I tried to move away but [the dog] started barking. I was terrified.”

    During interrogation, many children reported being facing with slurs and threatened with physical violence. In a small number of cases, interrogators have reportedly threatened minors with rape.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2012/08/20128910267627456.html

    https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/shoot-maim-how-israel-created-generation-crutches-gaza

    https://ifamericansknew.org/stat/shoot_to_maim.html

    That’s your lot for now. I’m too tired to be bothered bringing more “anti-sham-itic” reports for you to reject out-of-hand.

    But if you do have some sort of epiphany over-night and actually want to expand your mind and knowledge, I can HIGHLY recommend the Unz Review as a source for all kinds of interesting information! 😉

    Time for bed now.

    Sleep tight,
    Kali.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
    , @anarchyst
  135. This is really a curious post starting with:

    For example, you could establish an organization devoted to the dissemination of historical literature alternative to the mainstream. I realize this has been done many times, but let’s ask ourselves: how many satellite organizations does the Lobby have? The proliferation of such organizations allows them to have the depth and breadth of effect that they do, so there’s nothing wrong with learning from the method and applying it ourselves.

    Huh? Anyone can write a book or article about historical alternatives. The success of those ideas is not dependent on the Israeli lobby. The Israeli lobby does not control the dissemination of ideas, or judge them, they have their own perspective exclusive to others. There exist in the world different histories and historical facts, similar to science. All with opposition and champaigns.

    Ideas are accepted or rejected on merit, not on Jewish censorship.When presented with the alternative facts people still reject of the Mossad 9/11 theory. Most of us do not believe the alternative facts.. Wanting to blame it on the Mossad is not an innocent idea based solely on science. The people presenting the theory want the perpetrators to bet Jews. So that Jews not Muslims can be blamed for the mass murder

    Personally, I feel we need not only this kind of organization, but institutions providing a foundation for moral guidance and the preservation of the family that endures from one generation to the next. If we stood firmly upon such a foundation, not only would their “winning” not concern us, it would be understood for the path to perdition it most assuredly is.

    Wow! just wow!. So you think that it is us vs. them You stand for moral guidance and the preservation of the family, and the them (we know who) stands for winning and the path to perdition? I hope you realize someday how ludicrous this is. No one has a lock on morality or goodness. All people in power all over the world of any religion are corrupt. It is a universal human condition. Goodness and perdition is owned by no one faith or people.

    Judea- Christian morality runs the Western power structure. The morality of those two faiths strive and pray everyday for goodness and peace in the world, as you express below.

    When we understand and accept that embracing goodness is its own reward, nothing else will matter. Only then will our condition begin to change.

    Most Christians, Jews, Hindus etc. do not believe your idea that goodness has been destroyed by corrupt Jews. They also reject the idea that Jews control the message and the messenger. One Jew having a powerful position in media is not going to agree with the another Jew in a similar position. These two Jews might be have diametrically opposite points of view. So it is erroneous to assume that Jews control the media to dominate and control a unified message. People at large reject this. Interesting that you refer to Jews but replace the actual subject of Jews and Judaism with “the lobby”

    • Replies: @anon
  136. @Kali

    You have never been to Israel, and know no Israelis and or Palestinians. Your version is based on propaganda. Mine is based on my own experience and family. I trust my own information more then the electric infatada.

    • Replies: @Kali
  137. @Fran Taubman

    More nonsense from a HBM (Hasbara Bollocks Merchant).
    Fran is still Polishing and Sugar Coating the Turd that is Zionism..

    Richard Boyd Barrett reads out shocking statements made recently by Israeli government ministers. These words come in the wake of the 2014 assault on Gaza which saw over 2100 Palestinians killed, 10,000 injured and 100,000 made homeless. Of those killed, over 500 were children – children whom the current Israeli Justice Minister, Ayelet Shaked, refers to as “snakes”.

  138. Kali says:
    @Fran Taubman

    “Palestinian Jihadist towards Israel. ”

    What you describe as jihad is actually a fight for survival, for self-determination, and for the right to return home!

    Against all the odds, against incomprehensible dishonesty and arrogance, against a well-funded, well armed standing army, against the might of a media-industry owned by jews, and western governments owned by jews, the people of Palestine hold their heads high in defiance of decades of abuse, demoralisation, systematic dehumanisation, theft and massive injustice…

    All so that “a people who shall (by choice or “divine” edict of an insane “god”) dwell apart” might, by deception, become masters of the universe.

    So many sources, so many histories, all pointing to the self-serving, uncaring dishonesty of “the jews” or, at least, of the Jewish “elites”.

    In my culture, compassion, forgiveness and love of the stranger are central. And, despite the many, many abuses of powerful “christian” elites, those qualities remain as part of our culture, shaping our world view.

    Then we discover, as suddenly access to historic and current information is opened up to us, that everything we have been taught about our history, and yours, is a lie.
    We dig around, we read the articles and check the sources, we read the histories written as current affairs back in the day.
    We do not shy away from the uncomfortable truths, knowing that to turn a blind eye is to invite yet more abuses.

    And all the while we are vilified as “conspiracy theorists”, “domestic extremeists”, “racists” even as the colour of our skin is deliberately, and wrongly, associated with all of the worst aspects of human behaviour, though we ourselves were victims of that behaviour!

    But we continue in our endeavours to bring light into the dark, to honestly discuss the current state of humanity and the world in an effort to avert political, environmental and human calamity.

    Through our reading and research we uncover the hidden aspects of Jewish history too, and of that religion which, by fowl means, was inserted as part of our own.
    Organised Jewry, it transpires, presents the ugliest power throughout the last 200+ years. And though there are many examples of lust for wealth and power amongst our own political (and “royal”) leaders over the centuries, only Jewish Power remains consistently and beligerently at the very heart of that lust, and all of the deceptions used to mask it.

    Have the courage to face reality as it is, Fran! Stop hiding behind the wall of lies erected by your rabbis and pundits.

    Unless we have the courage to face the world as it is, we cannot change its diabolical trajectory!

    With love,
    Kali.

  139. Kali says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Oh Fran, are you really so gullible that you confuse stories and experiences, projecting one on top of the other?

    Are you really so weak-minded that you cannot so much as read a book which challenges your perceptions?

    GO to the books, Fran. Read the histories for yourself, THEN decide what the truth may be.
    Step out of your comfort zone. Allow yourself the discomfort of maybe being wrong. – We have ALL been lied to and none of us can be blamed for that.
    But we live in an age where access to uncomfortable truths and alternative histories are literally at our fingertips.
    But if we shy away from honestly exploring information which might upset us, we can never hope to make the world a better place.

    Let me know when you are ready for the reading list, Fran.

    Love,
    Kali.

  140. anon[549] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Taubman:

    Huh? Anyone can write a book or article about historical alternatives. The success of those ideas is not dependent on the Israeli lobby

    American Pravda: Breaching the Media Barrier
    RON UNZ • OCTOBER 24, 2016
    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-breaching-the-media-barrier/

    Taubman:

    The Israeli lobby does not control the dissemination of ideas, or judge them, they have their own perspective exclusive to others. There exist in the world different histories and historical facts, similar to science. All with opposition and champaigns.

    https://www.adl.org/news/press-releases/adl-to-build-silicon-valley-center-to-monitor-fight-cyberhate-omidyar-network-2

    Following Sacha Baron Cohen’s speech, here is ADL’s short list of social media accounts that should have been removed long ago
    November 25, 2019
    https://www.adl.org/blog/following-sacha-baron-cohens-speech-here-is-adls-short-list-of-social-media-accounts-that

    Taubman:

    Ideas are accepted or rejected on merit, not on Jewish censorship.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  141. @anon

    social media are private accounts. Like FB. You can register your own SM accounts and publish what you want. Don’t make me laugh

  142. anon[549] • Disclaimer says:

    Did you read the titles of articles in the links? (too much to expect that you’d read the article)

    ADL works with — set up its own organization in Silicon Valley, in partnership w/ one of the financier-gods of Silicon Valley, Pierre Omidyar, to monitor (synonym: censor) SM.

    btw, there IS dependable news out there: Rick Wiles at TruNews (recently de-platformed by YouTube via ADL & the usual suspects) reported yesterday (05 Mar 2020)

    AIPAC SUPER-SPREADER: DID ISRAELI LOBBYISTS INFECT U.S. CONGRESS WITH CORONAVIRUS? https://www.trunews.com/stream/aipac-super-spreader-did-israeli-lobbyists-infect-u-s-congress-with-coronavirus

    that the Westchester Jewish lawyer who has (at last count) infected 18 people w/ Corona virus, had earlier attended a Bar Mitzvah. One (or more) of those attendees also attended the AIPAC conference in DC.

    After the Conference, AIPAC distributed a letter advising AIPACers that they may have been exposed to a secondary carrier of Corona virus.

    ALSO (haven’t listened all the way thru) — Wiles reported that Palestinians and visitors in Bethlehem have the virus; Bethlehem has been shut down, Palestinian schools closed.

    It will be interesting to notice if:
    — any Israeli Jews get the same virus that afflicts Palestinians or if Jews were pre-innoculated:
    * after all, Israel has announced that it has a vaccine; and

    * bear in mind that when George Bush Sr. was preparing to go to war over Kuwait, Netanyahu encouraged the war but demanded, and received, US assistance to provide gas masks & other protections for Israelis.
    Israel makes sure it’s got protection before it rapes someone.
    Israel was made to stay out of that war, under the assurance that USA would protect Israel, and so it did, or tried to do: USA set up Patriot batteries; one such set-up failed, causing the deaths of 37 American soldiers. But it was for Israel, so it’s A-OK.

  143. anarchyst says:
    @Kali

    The answeris easy. Jews, by nature and nurture are an amoral species. You see, from an old testament biblical perspective, ((they)) have been elevated to a “supremacist” position.
    In addition, their talmud reinforces their supremacist attititude which they have never repudiated.
    In their talmud,”goyim” are considered to be “livestock with souls”, born only to serve the jews.
    Now can you name anything that is more “supremacist” than that?
    In todays judaism, slavery is not only acknowledged, but encouraged.
    We are all Palestinians, now…

  144. @Fran Taubman

    Thank you, Fran. Here’s my original claim:

    ‘Look up the percentage of American dead in Viet Nam, Afghanistan, and Iraq who were Jewish.’

    Here’s what you posted:

    ‘Americans continued to serve in the following two major wars, both of which involved the use of conscripted troops. Over 150,000 Jewish Americans (men and women) served in the Korean War. In Vietnam, 30,000 served.’

    Only one fifth as many Jews served in Viet Nam as in Korea. Now, why don’t you go look up the change in the number of dead?

    In World War Two and Korea, Jews were relatively ordinary Americans, statistically. Beginning in Viet Nam, and since, they have been a privileged caste, insulated from danger.

    Total American servicemen killed in Iraq: 4224. Number of these that were Jewish?

    I count 28! https://jcca.org/what-we-do/jwb/in-memoriam/

    Now, Jews are about 2% of the US population. 2% of 4224 is 84.

    But 28 isn’t 84. Weird, huh?

    …and who wanted that war fought again? Hmm…think Jews made up less than 1% of that number?

  145. anonymous[549] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Source:
    B’Tselem, The Israeli Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories. (Visit their statistics page, last updated January 31, 2018.) We refer to IMEMC and other Palestinian news outlets for deaths that have not yet been recorded by B’Tselem.

    To see names, photos and more information for the Israeli and Palestinian victims of this conflict, please visit our new website Israel-Palestine Timeline.

    See also the UN OCHA report that records the 2,220 victims (67% of them civilians) of Israel’s summer 2014 massacre in Gaza. 71 Israelis were killed during the same period (9% of them civilians).

    • Thanks: Kali
  146. Have you heard about the deaths especially children in Yemen, in Syria. Israel is not perfect and every death is mourned but as a country under constant attack from within the Israelis do a very good job.
    You have your head up your ass. Does not matter what I say you are hell bent on proving the Jews are evil.

    I read the articles total crap. Look at the stifling of ideas and banning of books in Islamic countries. The propaganda in school books about Jews as being apes and pigs. The sermons on Fridays by your local Imam is enough to make the hair in your nose curl, full of lies and propaganda.

    So what do you think would happened if you wrote a book critical of the Islamic republic in Iran. What would happen to you?
    Or you went up to a Hamas dude and said I think you are doing a terrible job.

    Yeah Jews really try and stifle free speech. Most books critical of Judaism are written by Jews.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Cassandra
  147. @Fran Taubman

    ‘ Israel is not perfect and every death is mourned but as a country under constant attack from within the Israelis do a very good job…’

    Constant attack? I believe the last actual Jewish civilian killed within the actual borders of Israel died just short of four years ago.

    …please read the actual sentence before responding, Fran.

  148. Cassandra says:
    @melpol

    Palestinians outside Israel are among the highest performing ethnic groups on earth.

    They are discriminated against (in Israel) and illegally occupied, jailed, killed, maimed, tortured and abused in the West Bank and Gaza. Because of this, they are not able to innovate and show off new gadgets to the world.

    I’m not sure why you go on and on about the intelligence of Israelis when in fact their behaviour appears sociopathic to the civilized world.

  149. Cassandra says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Every death is mourned? I recall a bunch of Israel’s settled in lawn chairs, high giving each other as bombs dropped on defenseless Palestinians in Gaza. That video was taken as the death toll of children under the age of five soared to 500, including those little kids playing soccer in the beach.

    That is morally depraved behavior.

    Furthermore, why we are asked to compare Israel with the most repressive regimes on earth and congratulate Israel for being (slightly) better is not only laughable, it belies the weakness of your argument. Jeffrey Epstein is better than Jeffrey Dahmer. Your point?

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Alexandros
    , @Fran Taubman
  150. @Cassandra

    When some Jews threw a molotov cocktail into a Palestinian home, killing father, mother and child, they took pictures of the child, who was a baby, brought them out at weddings and the happy guests would stab the baby picture with knives while cheering.

    That’s the reality of Jewish “mourning” for Goy murder victims.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  151. @Cassandra

    The part about the chairs watching the bombing is a lie. RE: Epstein. I am not here to defend every criminal Jew you fucking douce bag. What a stupid post.
    Make your own judgements and fuck off.
    I maintain the idea that people are people. Humanity is pretty much the same across all faiths and countries.
    Jews no more, no less.
    If you believe differently knock yourself out.

    • Troll: Kali
    • Replies: @Saggy
    , @Colin Wright
  152. ‘The part about the chairs watching the bombing is a lie…’

    No, Fran, it’s the truth.

    Do a search on ‘Israelis watch the bombing of Gaza.’ Image sources include The New York Times.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  153. anonymous[549] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright

    Impossible not to notice that when Fran Taubman is confronted with an unassailable but negative truth about the “Jews” and “Israel” whose Defender she purports to be, she resorts to rage, name-calling, and gutter epithets.

    Why not just post a red flag, Fran?

    Your ass is hanging out. The rest of the world sees it. It’s ugly, putrified, smeared w schmutz. Demanding that RoW kiss it does not make it any less vile.

    The goy know.

  154. @Fran Taubman

    ‘I maintain the idea that people are people. Humanity is pretty much the same across all faiths and countries.
    Jews no more, no less.’

    Ironically, I’ve insisted on more or less the same proposition — even took some abuse for it.

    However, that does nothing to demonstrate that Judaism is just fine; any more than the fact that Germans are fine, upstanding folks proves that Nazism was okay.

    …and, of course, that Jews are in aggregate no better and no worse than many other groups does absolutely nothing to alter the fact that the modern state of Israel is a vile abomination — just as we would not take claims about Germans to somehow justify the Nazi regime in occupied Poland.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
    , @Alexandros
  155. @Saggy

    I was incorrect. This is bad behavior that I condemn Upon further reading it was the town of Sedroit which had been on the receiving end of rockets from
    Hamas for 14 years. Constant shelling, long stays in bunkers and a lot of shell damage no excuse but I
    Bet more then one of you lovelies would be cheering if your home had been destroyed.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    , @Saggy
  156. @Fran Taubman

    Iranians have destroyed no homes of “lovely” Americans, nor of Jews in USA or in Israel, and yet, browse the comments to this Jerusalem Post article:

    Iranian official involved in US hostage crisis dies of coronavirus
    https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Iranian-official-involved-in-US-embassy-hostage-crisis-dies-of-coronavirus-620032?utm_source=spotim&utm_medium=spotim_recirculation&spot_im_redirect_source=pitc&spot_im_comment_id=sp_jpost_620032_c_RNYK6T&spot_im_highlight_immediate=true

    sample:

    GoldBoomerang
    Poetic justice, eh? One day soon all the jihadists will get what is coming to them…

    ascal1911


    



As bad as the virus is, it is performing a service that the sanctions never could. And thanks to the ignorance of these terrorists they have infected their whole country and we may see many top raked terrorist suffer a similar fate. Heres hoping the Khamenei is next! Inshallah.

    Mark Rosenblit


    



”The righteous man shall rejoice when he sees Vengeance. He shall wash his feet in the blood of the Wicked. And Mankind shall say, ‘Truly there is a reward for the Righteous. Truly there is a God Who judges on Earth.’” (Psalms 58:11-12)

    Nothing says Hate quite like a Jerusalem Post commenter steeped in Hebrew scripture, zionism and ignorance.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  157. @Colin Wright

    You have said this many times. You do not have to keep regurgitating the same post. I get it. The source of my interest is the theological differences between Islam and Judaism for claims to the same land. As well as the theological differences in general between all three Abrahamic religions: how they conflicted in the past and explore moving forward for possible understanding and solutions.
    Since you are theologically illiterate and like to buzz around this site like a bee stinging for a short victory, I am in it for the long hall. You hate Israel, and think it is evil. There is nothing in your hatred salvageable as intelligent ideas with regards to resolutions. Your resolution is that Israelis should book flights to JFK. You are more of a lost ideologue looking for an ideology. The problem being that ideologies of hate go about resolutions backward, which is why your innate comments are like short bee stings designed for you to feel a momentary sense of power. Your comments are for you no one else.

    Back to the ideology of hatred. Hatred as a cause flows backwards instead of reasoning facts to come up with ideas and solutions. Haters have their solution and manipulate facts to verify their hated and then grotesquely try and cram it down our throats.

    An a analogy: I hate apple pie. I therefore go about proving that apples are carcinogenic and cause irritable bowel syndrome. If that fails I prove that flour and apples when baked together bring on early Alzheimer’s. Do you see my point? I just hate apple pie.
    So why not move on colin and butt out of my theological quest. You are not interested, you are not knowledgeable enough to converse. But more important it does nothing to advance your hate Israel abomination ideology which I can in any way help you with. Piss off. We have been over and over the same material. Sam with Geo, move on.

    • Troll: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  158. @SolontoCroesus

    You have more then once told me to “ignore
    Commentator. ”
    Back at you. Piss off. Not interested.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  159. @Fran Taubman

    Did you read the linked article in Jerusalem Post, and the accompanying comments?

    Do you endorse or disapprove of those comments that rejoiced in the death of the Iranian legislator?

    Does celebrating the death of another accurately or inaccurately reflect the overall values of Judaism, of zionism, and of Israel?

    A week or so ago Mondoweiss posted this article:
    Liberal Zionist’s teen son is– an anti-Zionist
    https://mondoweiss.net/2020/02/liberal-zionists-teen-son-is-an-anti-zionist/

    The 15-year old Jewish day school student explained the point of conflict in a class project on immigration:

    The Torah instructs Jews only 36 times to care for the stranger, a precept mentioned more than any other law and central to my own concept of what it means to be a Jew.
    In America welcoming the stranger is not so problematic, as Jews are a minority and generally would like all minorities to be treated justly.* But in Israel (not including West Bank and Gaza) Jews are the majority and this respect for the minority, the stranger, is replaced by the Talmudic concept that one must first rise and kill those who would do harm…

    Do you support that 15 year old who perceived the difference between Jews who “welcome the stranger” when it is to their advantage; in contrast to zionist Jews who not only resist the Other, to the point of building barriers on the Other’s land in order to keep them out — one more manifestation of the Jewish determination to be “a people who shall dwell apart,” but consider it moral to “kill the stranger” ?

    Or is that 15-year old on your piss list also?

    • LOL: Kali
    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  160. @Fran Taubman

    ‘… So why not move on colin and butt out of my theological quest…’

    A while back, your professed concern was to combat anti-semitism; that was the only reason you were posting.

    Now it’s ‘Fran’s theological quest’. That sounds something like ‘Bill and Ted’s Excellent Adventure.’

    You’re interested in theology like a pig is interested in non-Euclidean geometry. You’re a Jewess — yet you’ve never bothered to read even one page of the Talmud (your words).

    I wonder if you’ve even read the Torah?

  161. Kali says:

    Now it’s ‘Fran’s theological quest’. That sounds something like ‘Bill and Ted’s Excellent Adventure.’

    Except that Bill and Ted were always excellent to each other, whereas Fran is generally fucking rude to others.
    Is it just me or is she getting worse?

  162. ‘Except that Bill and Ted were always excellent to each other, whereas Fran is generally fucking rude to others.
    Is it just me or is she getting worse?’

    She’s getting worse; I think she’s frustrated.

    In her non-Unz life, she seems to be mistress of her own workshop — with a lot of Eastern European illegals as employees who know it would be best for them if they just agreed with her. Her bigotry may be fairly congenial to them in the first place, so no real problem. Yeah, yeah, Islam bad. Sure, Fran…I’m with you there. And, of course, arguing with her about it would be decidedly quixotic.

    Here, on the other hand, she can’t fire anybody — although she does keep making what threats she can. Reporting people to the FBI, complaining to Ron Unz, etc.

    But basically, she’s forced to fall back on her own intellectual gifts. That doesn’t work out very well.

    • Replies: @Kali
  163. @Colin Wright

    If National Socialism is so bad, why did 90% of those fine upstanding Germans support it to the bitter end?

    And regards Judaism, when did you ever see Germans celebrate baby murders out in the open? Why do 90% of Jews support it? These people are all the same, eh?

  164. @SolontoCroesus

    Did you know the Fuhrer had no children? He let all
    those young boys fight to the death while in his bunker,? Children eating worms for food, younger then 13. The Goebels murdered 5 of their children with poison in the same bunker. All for vanity. Nothing but vanity. Those rulers could have stoped those deaths in Amani second. Brutal unmitigated death for vanity.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  165. Obviously, two parts here. To take the first part:

    ‘If National Socialism is so bad, why did 90% of those fine upstanding Germans support it to the bitter end?’

    As an ideology for a single, homogeneous people, I think National Socialism had a lot to recommend it; indeed, it still does.

    As an ideology for imperial rule, it was a formula for atrocity. So it turned out to be.

    Now for part two:

    ‘And regards Judaism, when did you ever see Germans celebrate baby murders out in the open? Why do 90% of Jews support it? These people are all the same, eh?’

    I think Israel brings out the worst tendencies in Judaism, that it’s the worst of the Jews who most enthusiastically support it, and that disproportionately, the worst of the Jews have wound up there.

  166. @Fran Taubman

    Your compassion for 13-year old German boys is touching, Fran; I’ve been told that women who are childless have an inner empty ache for children.

    That’s the only reason I can think of that you mentioned Hitler and the devastation of Germany in WWII. That was not the topic under discussion; the questions posed to you were whether you supported the 15-year old Jewish day school student who came out against zionism because, while Jews advocate for immigration in US, where it is to the advantage of Jews, in Israel, the policy is not merely the opposite but to “rise and kill first.”

    Do you support the 15 year old in his anti-zionist stance, or do you endorse Rise and Kill First?

    Take a stand for Jewish moral values, Fran Taubman: anti-zionism or Rise and Kill First?


    Since you mentioned the devastation of Germany, etc., metaphorically wringing your fire-proof gloves and bemoaning the “vanity,” you are aware that Germany was fully engaged in a war — more precisely, in defending the German land and people against a war declared against it, first, by “International Jewry,” ~Mar. 24, 1933?

    You are aware that Britain subsequently declared war against Germany, in Sept. 1939.

    You are surely aware that Allied bombers carried on a planned, industrialized firebombing campaign forthrightly targeting German civilians including infants in their cribs — unambiguous and sustained war crimes.

    It is a leader’s absolute obligation to defend his land and people against such attacks, and that is what the German soldiers, their leaders, and their patriotic citizens attempted to do.
    Jewish people who were in leadership roles within the Allied forces were fully implicated in planning for those firebombing campaigns; the proof of their complicity is far more compelling than the so-called (and nevertheless ambiguous) Wannsee protocol.

    On the other hand, Israeli soldiers — the vaunted IDF — deploy offensive/aggressive weaponry of far greater lethality than even that used against Germany, to kill and destroy the unarmed citizens of Gaza and other Palestinian lands that Jews have stolen.

    Jews in Israel are not attacked with tens of thousands of tons of bombs dropped from the sky over their cities and people, as the Germans were; but Palestinians are harassed, targeted, KILLED every day for the crime of having lived for centuries on lands that Jews covet.

    Just a guess: you smelt iron. You’ve probably burned yourself a time or two.

    Ever had anything like this happen to you?

    Would you say that charred remains of a Palestinian boy was about 12 or 13 years old? Never reach 15, never reach the age of that Jewish boy from a day school who took a stand against zionism.


    — Vanity of vanities. —

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  167. @SolontoCroesus

    Did you put your armband and mustache on to watch these films. Nazi porn. Torture film and blood. Who would watch such things but a Nazi. Did it turn you on?
    Who would talk to another person about the glorification of the death of a child but a lustfull Nazi POS.

    Just a guess: you smelt iron. You’ve probably burned yourself a time or two.

    Ever had anything like this happen to you?

    Who shows and discuses violence in videos about a child with burning flesh. A death cult Nazi. I could no more post shit like this. God forbid.
    Go back to your death porn bunker you filth.

  168. @Fran Taubman

    ‘… Who shows and discuses violence in videos about a child with burning flesh. A death cult Nazi. I could no more post shit like this. God forbid.
    Go back to your death porn bunker you filth.’

    So. Fran. Your Israel burns the child alive. Solonto posts the video.

    Israel is blameless. The offense is Solonto’s.

    This is kind of like the idea that if a Jew rapes a gentile child, the gentile child should be stoned to death for tempting the Jew to sin, don’t you think?

    • Thanks: SolontoCroesus
    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  169. Kali says:
    @Colin Wright

    She’s getting worse; I think she’s frustrated.

    Nearly sprayed my coffee al over the screen with that one! lol
    Thanks for my first laugh of the day. 🙂

    With love,
    Kali.

  170. Kali says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Yeah Fran, that’s right!
    You turn your back on the FACTS of “israels” disgusting treatment of the children of Palestine, cry “NAZI” as if that is some sort of deffence against Jewish inhumanity, whilst spitting your own vile hatred at anyone who exposes these jew crimes! That’ll do the trick!

    You are beyond hope, Fran. Beyond the reach of human compassion, so locked are you in your inexcusable, in the face of the evidence, determination that jews, and their chosen criminal state, are innocent of the bloodlust which “israel” displays to the world every day!

    Keep on spitting your venom at those who would expose these crimes, as if they themselves had committed them, so that the rest of the world may see and recognise your loveless soul!

    Sick, twisted “Jewish morality”. Thanks for exposing to me personally that all of my fanciful hopes that “the jew” may be somehow redeemed are just that – fanciful hopes.

    Long live the ex-jew! Long live Palestine. Long live Love!

    Kali.

  171. @Colin Wright

    The still of the child being burned is fake, like crayola crayon fake, someone threw some burned sticks on the hospital bed and videoed it. I could show your burned Jews from suicide bombings in pizza parlors. Or the pictures of the Rabbi and his wife who were tortured in the Mumbai murders or the video of the Danny Pearl’s beheading. These photos and videos are a kind of death porn like snuff films. It is against the sanctity of life to show torture and murder of another human and video it. It is even worse to use those videos to shame someone into believing you are morally superior.

    All murder and torture is bad and there is enough on both sides without showing disturbing gory pictures.
    Please stop following me around taunting, lying, and making false comparisons and accusations about me. Please leave me alone. Your insistent hounding of my post are disturbing.

    My points are valid. Gory videos are cheap thrills. To shame someone using gory videos is the product of a sick mind. No normal person would do that.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  172. @Fran Taubman

    ‘The still of the child being burned is fake, like crayola crayon fake, someone threw some burned sticks on the hospital bed and videoed it…’

    I doubt very much that the still is fake.

    For one thing, you endlessly claim images are ‘fake’ that are real; like the Jews sitting on sofas enjoying the bombing of Gaza. You claimed those are fake; they’re definitely real.

    For another, why fake the image of a burnt child? Israel’s actions produce a veritable cornucopia of such pictures — and far worse! Why would anyone have to bother to make one up?

    Seriously, Fran: try to confine yourself to assertions that at least plausibly could be true.

  173. Nany says:
    @BDS Always

    Want to talk about Ummo, please contact me. Thanks.

  174. @Fran Taubman

    Nice dodge with the fake outrage over the photos of Israeli handiwork, but you still have not answered the questions, Fran Taubman:

    “. . .whether you supported the 15-year old Jewish day school student who came out against zionism because, while Jews advocate for immigration in US, where it is to the advantage of Jews, in Israel, the policy is not merely the opposite but to “rise and kill first.”

    Do you support the 15 year old in his anti-zionist stance, or do you endorse Rise and Kill First?

    Take a stand for Jewish moral values, Fran Taubman: anti-zionism or Rise and Kill First?”

    From my point of view, the 15 year old is offensive to my values as an American patriot (not to be confused with an “America right-or-wrong” jingoist), whichever position he takes.

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