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Disclaimer: due to the highly sensitive nature of the topic, all my sources and references to orthodox Jewish communities and the Corona virus are mainstream Jewish and Israeli news outlets.
The Israeli press has reported extensively for the last two days that within the Jewish ultra-Orthodox communities in Israel, the Corona virus has spread like wildfire.
“Israel’s ultra-Orthodox endanger the public” was the headline of yesterday’s Jerusalem Post opinion piece. The article points to the ultra orthodox community as a menace both to the general society and itself. “Some of Israel’s most religious communities, religious leaders, and even the health minister himself r efuse to take the threat of coronavirus seriously enough in their own observant communities. The ultra-Orthodox disdain for secular society in the time of the COVID-19 pandemic endangers both their own communities and the general public.”
The Jerusalem Post reports that “Rabbi Chaim Kanievsky, the leader of the Lithuanian ultra-Orthodox community, actively called for yeshivot to stay open, in direct opposition to the Health Ministry’s directives. One of the members of Kanievsky’s inner circle told the press that ‘Rabbi Kanievsky says canceling Torah study is more dangerous than corona.’”
Times of Israel reported on a “marked jump in new coronavirus cases Wednesday in Israeli cities with large ultra-Orthodox populations, amid growing concerns over a major outbreak of COVID-19 in the community.”
Bnei Brak, a Tel Aviv suburb with fewer than 200,000 residents, most of them orthodox, has the second most confirmed cases of any Israeli city, though it is the ninth largest in the country by population.
The authorities now accept that it is the orthodox community that spreads the virus in the Jewish State. “Among the other cities in Israel to record a large increase of new coronavirus cases were Modiin Illit, Beit Shemesh, Elad and Beitar Illit, all of which are majority ultra-Orthodox or have sizable Haredi populations.”
Officials are looking at ways to reduce the outbreak in Bnei Brak, where “one in three residents tested for the coronavirus have been found to carry it (33%). The high percentage of positive tests reported Tuesday by the Health Ministry compares to 6% in Tel Aviv and 10% in Jerusalem.”
“Police on Tuesday set up checkpoints around Bnei Brak and were checking IDs of anyone trying to enter, as the government moved toward placing a cordon around the city.”
Bnei Brak’s mayor warned Tuesday evening against making his city into “a ghetto.” Here one may notice that it isn’t the so-called Goyim who ‘push the Jews into the ghetto.’ Instead it is the Israeli government that imposes the on the orthodox community in its attempt to protect the rest of society.
It is clear that in the Jewish State, neither the government nor the media shy away from this problematic topic, and there is good reason to believe that the attitude of the orthodox toward public health is not confined to Israel. A few days ago we learned from Haaretz that more than half of the members of a group of 114 Chabad followers tested positive for the coronavirus and were placed in quarantine after returning from the United States last week. The Israeli paper reports that “The Hasidim, all Israeli citizens, had been studying at a yeshiva in Brooklyn’s Crown Heights neighborhood, which the American authorities fear has been the site of a major outbreak of the virus. Immediately after they landed in Israel, they were separated from other passengers, their passports were confiscated and they were placed on buses that took them to Jerusalem.”
If 50% of the students who returned from the Brooklyn Chabad centre were infected with Corona, there is good reason to assume that the Corona virus is at least as common in the Brooklyn orthodox community as it is in Israeli orthodox enclaves.
The Israeli settler news outlet, Arutz 7, reported yesterday that the situation in the Jewish area, Crown Heights, is indeed grave. “There are no words to describe the feeling of the community; it’s devastating, it’s depressing, and we pray every day that it’s going to be over… In almost every house I’ve spoken to, there’s at least one person who tested positive for coronavirus. We know we were one of the first communities to be hit, so we hope to be the first ones to get over it.”
Kiryas Joel, an orthodox town outside of New York City, is suffocated with Corona cases. Its leaders urge Dr. Vladimir Zelenko (who has since become a household name in America for his allegedly successful treatment of the Corona virus) to stop posting videos online about the outbreak or else leave Kiryas Joel and the Hasidic community out of them. Dr Zelenko estimated that 90% of Kiryas Joel habitants had COVID-19 after 9 of his first 14 tests came back positive.
However, some orthodox Rabbis are not worried about Covid 19. In a peculiar video, so outrageous that it seems like a parody of SNL, an orthodox Israeli Rabbi urges his followers not to worry about the Corona virus as “the benevolent father looks after his children…the Corona is for the Goyim not for the people of Israel.”
Bizarrely enough, the Rabbi may be proved to be ‘factually correct.’ To date, the corona fatality rate in Israel is noticeably low, probably the lowest around. At the time of writing this piece, 6211 Israelis have been diagnosed with Corona but only 31 Israelis have died while being infected by the virus. This is a fatality rate of less than 0.005. In Italy, in comparison, there has been a fatality rate of 0.1, 20 times greater than in Israel. In the USA the fatality ratio is about 0.024, 5 times higher than the Jewish State. In Britain it is 0.08, about 16 times more than Israel. Even South Korea, considered the most successful model in fighting the Coronavirus, has around a 0.014 fatality rate, about three times more than Israel.
The Israeli success in dealing with Corona could have a few explanations. It is probably true that Israel was more effective than others in dealing with Corona. It adopted the most restrictive measures very early on and before most other countries. It is possible that Israeli doctors are more gifted than others. And it is true that Israel runs a relatively high number of Corona tests. This fact alone reduces the statistics of fatality rates significantly. But it may also be possible that the Rabbi had a point, Corona, as it appears statistically, at least, is more lethal for the Goyim and somehow less deadly for the people of Israel.
This may require more scientific elaboration. I have kept this troubling thought to myself for a few days, but now the time is ripe for me to share it.
Increasingly more and more scholars believe that the fact that there were relatively few deaths from Spanish Flu in China in 1918 as compared to other regions around the world suggests that the 1918 pandemic actually originated in China. The lower fatality rate in China from the Spanish Flu raises the possibility that Chinese already possessed immunity to the virus by the time the world suffered its outbreak.
Using this logic, an argument can be made that the fact that China was a prime victim of the Corona virus actually shows that Covid-19 is anything but a ‘Chinese Virus’ as President Trump refers to it. It is certainly not an Iranian virus either. It is clearly not an Italian disease. If there is any merit in the idea that a low fatality rate identifies a possible viral originator, then Israel would be a suspect.
In fact, Israel went through a respiratory health crisis in late 2019. On January 6th, Haaretz’s headline read, “Dozens Hospitalized in Serious Condition Amid Swine Flu Outbreak in Israel.” The Israeli paper reported that “The number of visits to clinics and hospitals due to flu symptoms and pneumonia, which is a common complication, is about 18 per 1,000 people, compared to 7 per 1,000 in the same period last year.” The increase is mainly in those under age 2 and over age 65. In January, the Israeli health system struggled to cope.
In an article three weeks ago I wondered whether it is possible that Israel was hit with the Corona menace at the same time China was, or maybe even before. I asked whether it is possible that Corona didn’t start in China, perhaps it was just diagnosed there.
If it isn’t God who saves the Jews from Corona, as the obscure rabbi proclaims in the video above, it may well be that Israelis have already developed a herd immunity to the disease due to the fact that the Israelis had been subject to its menace before most people.
One thing is clear to the Israelis, their leaders and their media. The orthodox community’s complete dismissal of modern medical advice and its negligence in social distancing and modern hygiene are a health catastrophe in the making. The Israeli government has already suggested that it will use the most severe measures against its orthodox community and will involve police forces and even the army. The Israel media is openly speaking about this clear health hazard.
A glance through the news reveals that the American press is shying away from this problem. They may report about the crisis in Bnei Brak and Jerusalem but refrain from warning New Yorkers of the situation at the Chabad Centre next door or in Crown Heights down the road. In reality, it is the Israeli and Jewish press that report on the Corona crisis in Crown Heights, Kiryas Joel and Chabad’s yeshivas. I also doubt whether anyone in America would dare consider imposing a cordon on any of the Corona infested neighbourhoods as Israeli health minister Yaakov Litzman suggested in Bnei Brak just before he himself was diagnosed as a corona patient and was sent to isolation.
In a mode that is unusual for me as a critic of Israel, its policy and ethos, I suggest that at the moment looking at Israel and learning from its attitude to the virus and its infested orthodox communities could be educational, enlightening and even an existential must.
Once we strip away the layers of political manipulation and mass media deception the truth is not hard to find, its impossible to avoid: as dangerous as this virus is for specific vulnerable groups, it’s functioning as a sideshow distraction that obfuscates the real existenial threat to our entire way of life…
Maybe it’s garlic – I’m unable to find any stats but my understanding is Israelis still consume lots of it.
Italians, on the other hand, have recently become quite snobbish towards garlic:
Italian Garlic Debate Raises a Culinary Stink
Italy’s Great Garlic Divide
One does not simply give up on the ancestors’ food.
There are no wet markets with live bats (selling for food) in the religious Jewish areas. Koshrus laws permit Jews to only eat animals who are vegetarian. So before you make everyones skin crawl about those dirty unhygienic hassidic Jews, try visiting one of those Chinese wet markets and take a sniff. You will vomit from the smell. It should be illegal for those wet markets to sell live animals whose feces are in contact with salable food, and shame on the WHO for not clamping down after it was revealed that many deadly virus start from animal transference to humans, thru fecal matter. The Ebola was from monkeys. Other viruses like Sars are traced back to China. Why aren’t people up in arms over China?
Hassidic Jews are not Chinese which is where the virus started. China is criminal negligent for not reporting that the communal viral spread thru non human contact, and the rapidity of the contagion. The Chinese also let their citizens travel.
I have been to Crown Heights many times. The religious community is luminous in its spirituality, and you feel it when you are there. Unlike the feeling one gets in the vociferous bourgeois Manhattan, which is oppressive in its income inequality. The oppressive Parisian chic in the West village full of foreigners which used to be full of Bohemian artist and musicians like yourself.
I would take Crown Heights over Manhattan in terms of lifestyle. Brooklyn is a hotspot because the religious have many children and live in a densely packed area. It has nothing to do with their hygiene or customs.
Trying to give people the skivvies over the diseased invested religious Jews is another classic troupe (Jews are smelly and dirty) you pull out of your hat like a magic trick. Pretty thin. Go back to the Protocols.
And I quote again, Anguttara Nikaya 3.61 https://suttacentral.net/an3.61/en/bodhi:
Belief in a primal cause allows for a perverse nihilism to forcefully extinguish people’s intentional actions. This is not just a Jewish problem of course, the Christians are happily churchin’ through this experience around the world as well, would be interesting to know how the faithful of Iran are dealing with this!
Be careful with garlic – no more than 1/4 bulb for a 50kg person, 1/2 bulb for a 100kg person.. My tamesic Russian self decided to go on a raw garlic, onion, ginger, tumeric, lemon, honey diet for this experience, but overeat that garlic and you get liver failure, supposedly! :p
Swine flu (yes, I know), bird flu, foot and mouth, BSE.. generally, we get these things from animal husbandry. Poking the overpopulated Chinese for over consuming every thing that crawls is just splitting hairs, unless you have gone vegan – they certainly have a one up on us in this debate! 🙂
I do agree though, Gilad covers Jewish issues, so maybe considering and comparing how other religious groups have approached this virus was beyond his area of concern, but it would have made for a more rounded article.
I am a vegan. Gilad likes to stir up Jew hatred with classic Medieval tropes. His trope du jour is that religious Jews are dirty and smell and lack hygiene.
He is also planting the subliminal seed dating from Medieval time that the Jews caused the Bubonic plague (the black plague). Many Jews were killed in pogroms related to the plague). Stirring up Jew hatred is Gilad’s specialty. People have turned the heat on him so as you can see by the article he sites Jewish sources. His anti semitic tropes are hidden, subliminal and tangental. Enough to feed the people on UR who eat Jew hatred like skittles.
Well, told – and props to you! 🙂 I am on my way, longest stretch (I love to cook, and a thousand vegetables offers more variety than half a dozen meats/fish options, if not considering morality), is half a year, but my impulse control is weak and in need of improvement. :s
Although I would love for a violence free milk etc industry to come alive, since we are omnivores, and pure veganism likely doesn’t satisfy all our 20 amino acid requirements..
Anyways, Gilad offer his opinion, with respect to the virus, and with this virus at least, as with respect to bubonic, it is congregation more so than cleanliness (sorry, that is just my supposition right there, both actually matter), that he is pointing to.
I don’t see any hatred in his writing though – an intention to push for some reform, sure.. As I said above though, an evaluation of how other faiths deal with this would have been more balanced imo.
Mine’s much shorter than half a year: it’s one of those things where we know the ethically-correct thing to do, but don’t do it for reasons of pure hedonism.
That’s almost certainly not true. It’s not even true of B12 anymore.
Best as I can figure, it’s one of those tropes that has caught on, with no evidence whatsoever. A bit like “phytoestrogens feminise men who consume a lot of soy” (i.e., ‘soyboi’). It’s nonsense; phytoestrogens have the opposite effect (they block oestrogen uptake).
Genuine veganism (no leather, no silk, no pets) is probably going too far. That said: I almost don’t wear leather[1] or silk, or eat honey.
Chevre or saganaki from a pet goat or sheep, and eggs from pet chooks, are ethically OK (industrial eggs – hell no: a male-chick holocaust, and a chicken nightmare). And of course the diary industry is actually the veal industry.
/rant
[1] I have one pair of Timberland Adventure cupsole chukkas that I’ve had for five years – got them as a gift.
Misdirection.
Something about the social behaviour of the ultra-Orthodox has made the thing much more highly prevalent in their community than in the secular community.
It’s also true of other concentrations of religious fucktards (like the Shincheonji Church of Jesus, which is responsible for more than half of all South Korea’s covid19 cases).
That’s just a numerical reality (unlike the stupid stories that they believe).
That’s true regardless of
• where it started (it almost certainly pre-dates the first 7 Chinese victims from the Wuhan wet market by a month and a continent), and
• my intense antipathy towards retarded Chinese superstitions about torturing, killing and eating animals;
• my strong evidence-based view that covid19’s a gigantic nothingburger that the political class wish they could walk back without getting lynched.
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Also…
When some grifter who spends his weekends tying a box to his head, takes a break from mumbling primitive drivel to tell his fellow-mental patients that their imaginary friend will save them… well, that’s far worse PR than an apostate-Jewish sax player casting shade.
The very worst advertisement for Zionism, is the behaviour of Zionists; the very worst advertisement for ultra-Orthodoxy, is the behaviour of the Haredim.
Case in point: the boxhead primitive retards from Beit Shemesh – who throw stones at or spit on girls who wear trousers… 2018, 2017, 2012, 2011, 2008.
And of course, there’s the Child Rape Assembly Line in Queens (the Adassa/ Malka Leifer affair shows that it’s not an isolated thing, and the fact that the government of occupied Palestine is protecting her shows that her behaviour is not something that appalls them).
But no – it’s all rehashed fabricated irrational tropes that ignorant people believe with no reason whatsoever.
Also: bad move trying to pretend that the Black Plague trope was a thing at the time: it’s pretty clear that it wasn’t. Like a lot of victim mythology, the ‘We wuz victimz‘ shtick was invented some time in the last hundred years; when fact-checking as way harder than it is now.
Israel does not have the weird naive deer-in-the-headlights mentality of a West it ultimately doesn’t belong to, I’ll give them that. But their low fatality rate may have a much simpler explanation. The casualties really start to explode (see Italy, Spain) once the health system runs out of certain critical resources, like protective equipment and the famed ventilators. But in Western countries, even the ones hardest hit, our superiors can point to pretty much anything and say “give this to us”, and their sayanim will see it delivered to the Motherland on American military transport planes, no questions asked. Wouldn’t want to be antisemitic, now would we? (It seems that there are a fair number of English words, like “trope” and “delegitimize”, which we never need except to erect a rhetorical shield around Israel.) Not so hard to be a medically advanced country under those boundary conditions.
I find it funny that secular Israelis only notice the breathtaking egoism intrinsic in Chosenness when they are at the receiving end of it. All of you live in a country that was taken from its original population by force of arms, but only now it suits you do you say to the Orthodox “We should be all in this together”?
The testing being referred to here seems to be the test that can tell if you are infected (ie the coronavirus is currently reproducing in your body), but not whether you have already been infected and recovered (possibly without ever having any symptoms) and your body has eradicated the virus.
There is an antibody assay just devised that can detect whether one has eliminated the coronavirus, and thus is currently unable to be a source of infection, and probably immune from being re-infected or infecting others for a few years. A BBC reporter was shown on the news at ten four hours ago taking a new and not yet officially approved antibody assay for COVID-19, and although he said he has never ever had any symptoms, he was positive for exposure to the COVID-19 pathogen.
The Oxford team led by Professor of Theoretical Epidemiology Gupta say it is as likely as not that hardly anyone gets anything but mild or asymptomatic COVID-19 after being exposed to the COVID-19 pathogen(SARS-CoV-2) and half of people in the UK have already been exposed to SARS-CoV-2 . If this is so then the death rate of 0.005 in Israel is the closest to the true death rate in every country for exposure to SARS-CoV-2. The actual death rate for the average human (Jews included) may be substantially lower than 0.005. Jews in the UK tend to be older that ones in Israel and British Jews have suffered some high profile deaths attributed to COVID-19.
Allow me to elucidate. The death rate for exposure to SARS-CoV-2 is dependant on two things the deaths (elderly heavy smokers such as Italy has an extremely high proportion of are going to give a country a higher death rate), and the denominator, which is the number of those exposed. The latter is unknown until the immune assay is given to a random sample of the population. It will be a few weeks until we get that data. Of course, extreme caution and continued isolation is still very much in order until there is official word to the contrary.
My guess is that the low fatality rate is due to either the newness of the spread, high amounts of testing (which would catch mild cases), or the lack of strain on healthcare (as of now).
It usually takes a few weeks for people to really start dying. There were states in the US that had virtually no deaths after having hundreds of cases, but after a week and a half, converged to that 1% fatality rate that we see so often. The true fatality rate might be far lower, but the US is picky with who it allows to take a test; only the people who seem really sick or at risk get tested, so the fatality rate probably looks higher than it should be.
If I follow you Jew’s arguments with Atzmon correctly, you’re saying that what he says can’t be true because other people said similar things during the Middle Ages.
That’s not particularly convincing to we neutral third parties, but I see how it would have compelling emotional allure for you.
(Sotto voce, Where is this vaunted Jewish intelligence I’ve heard so much about?)
I have a Vegan meal plan through a company called Purple Carrot. A box of ingredients come and I cook it. Before this plan I was pretty lost on how to cook vegan. With this plan I have learned so much about plants and how to mix and match and combine with seasonings. It is so delicious. I started breaking out in hives when I ate red meat so I had to explore alternatives as I was eating to much junk food.
Tonight I had a beet burger made of Quinoa, peas, panko bread crumbs mixed in a blender then fried like a burger on a toasted pretzel bun. Russet potatoes cut and baked like fries. The best was the sauce. It was Veganase mixed tomato powder and something called liquid smoke which has the consistency of alcohol. It has a smoke taste from bbq. It was so good.
What are you on about? Do you mean primary cause instead of primal? What does the logical deduction that there was a first efficient cause have anything to do with disobeying social distancing regulations?
The Christian perspective is that a plague is caused by the wrath of God. Not Jews. Not Nature. From the traditional prayer in times of pestilence:
I can tell you from personal experience that, much to the dismay of devout Christian who love the mass, all sacraments are being shut down except in life-or-death scenarios, even penance! Some traditional communities are holding mass, and many priests are still offering mass and hearing confessions, but taking the proper precautions, like the 6-feet rule, disinfectants, masks, etc. The overwhelming majority, if attending mass, are watching it online and receiving a “spiritual communion” by reciting the prayer written by Saint Alphonsus Liguori.
Nothing in even the most traditional Christian communities compare to the recklessness on full display among the hasids and other such jewish sects. Despicable. It shows you at once that they
(a) believe in an irrational, false religion
(b) do not care one iota about the goyim (and what an ugly word that is)
Good point,,, it is more than likely that the level of the distribution of Coronvirus within orthodox communities across the globe finally defies the nonsense about bats and China.. maybe kosher diet is where we should start. Now serious… read the article to the end, I actually argue that it is more likely that Corona attacked israel before China. This is why the fatality rate in israel is probably the best around , they benefit of herd immunity…though it is true that orthodox have many kids, as you say, it is clearly the rejection of social distancing and modern medical orders that made these communities into a serious danger to the people around them in israel, USA and beyond …
Cut your nonsense .. I do not stir any hatred.. every quote and reference in this article is from an Israeli and Jewish msm outlet.. but the orthodox rabbi who says ‘Corona is for the goyim not the Jews’ indeed evokes a lot of anger … yep.. I do believe that the Corona is a cross road.. a lot of people are rethinking their positions about life and the meaning of living amongst others …
I am not writing about religions in general, I write extensively about Jewish ID politics, this is my topic …I am a self loving one trick pony 😉
Hi, I was wonder if there is any way I could contact you regarding a comment you made about a year or so ago about studying with Jason Xenakis? I’m trying to find out more about him and his life but I am not making much headway. I also can’t seem to find any confirmation regarding that car crash you mentioned? Hope to hear from you.
How could it be luminous if it lacks the Light?
I’m sure this virus is very bad for a few people; mostly advanced in years with other health conditions and a very few younger people who also most likely have health issues.
Someone said what they should have done was put quarantines on elderly people and those with severe health issues. And to leave the younger people alone so they could carry on with work and life. The rest of the world could pretty much withstand the virus.
But they shut down the World economy. They have already hinted that this could be a sporadic shut down as the virus makes round 2 and round 3….
The Sporadic intervals of this virus will help the globalists re-organize their systems in a graduated and incremental process to likely keep unrest to a minimum.
The idea that this spread from some open market selling Bat soup, where the virus “Jumped” onto humans has been totally debunked.
This is a MAJOR Terrorist Attack, which is on-going. The purpose is obvious: to re-organize the world financial system, usher in more forced rules, and to do it with the People’s unquestioning acceptance without a fight.
Bill Gates has been making his rounds on Mainstream media and completely glowing over all this. He has dictated that Quarantines should be more restrictive and last longer. Of course, Bill Gates helped write the procedures for a “Pandemic”and doesn’t have to worry about paying rent.
Aaaaaaand now we know why Cuomo wants to confiscate all respirators for New York.
Jews do have less fatalities because they cook with butter, (they can afford it. )
Garlic and onions do not do anything in this case. Garlic only regulate the heartbeat and onion is slightly antiseptic. Only butter help to protect the lungs, and that is the most important in this case.
What if it’s climate? Perhaps Israel should be compared with Jordan or Tunisia. Perhaps climate is the reason why California has relatively mild manifestation of the epidemic.
The truth is not anti-Semitic. Just the other day a N.J. State Trooper had to stop a caravan of Orthodox Jews, nearly 100 traveling to a bat mitzvah in Lakewood. These people are a deadly menace and should be deported to Israel where they belong
Mr. Atzmon, if you will; I have a question about this term, “ultra-Orthodox“. I don’t believe I’ve ever heard it used to describe a subset of any other religions community. So…a few questions, if you have the time:
1. Do the ultra-Orthodox self-describe as d ST I have or is that something attributed to them by other Jewish segments? The nature of orthodoxy is usually that IT claims to be the standard by which all other variations are measured.
2. Or do they consider themselves to be the Orthodox and everyone else on a heterodox spectrum?
3. Or is there not much difference between orthodox and ultra-orthodox and it’s mostly semantics?
Peace.
I’ve heard that they are mainly Anti-Zionist, so they do not favor Israel. Maybe I’m wrong on that but that is what I’ve seen and read.
Orthodox Judaism is bar none the most filthy, evil, disgusting supremacist hate ideology the world has ever known – nothing whatsoever about it is “spiritual”. All you have to do is read the deplorable Torah and especially the satanic beast this community “worships”.
You are obviously also a worshiper of this dark “prince”, the Synagogue of Satan (*as Jesus aptly described it). That makes you a Jew supremacist, and not just in a symbolic way, but by dint of real action: it is the duty of Jews, in the Torah (and of course also the Talmud), to conquer the planet and enslave humanity, except in Greater Israel, where all non-Jews are to be slaughtered.
It’s all stated, most succinctly, in 20 Deut. 10-18. And again in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which is just a repeat of 20 Deut. 10-18.
As Karl Marx said, the only way for Jews to escape their satanic life is to assimilate, i.e., reject Jewish supremacism. Of course someone like you is incapable of that. To you, the most wretched evil is “spiritual”.
Sorry for the typo, should have been:
“ Do the ultra-Orthodox self-describe as such or is that something…”
Very good insightful questions…
The ultra orthodox don’t see themselves as ‘ultra’ … they regard themselves as ‘proper’ Jews , or Torah Jews, or Hasidic Jews and often Haredi Jews.. as you can imagine they are also vastly divided amongst themselves into many sects….these dichotomies between reform, orthodox, ultra and self haters 🙂 are made by js who beg to identify themselves as Judaism may be perceived as a belief system but it is primarily an identification matrix …
This Anti-Semitic newspaper should be banned. When are the ADL and Antifa going to get on this?
Just the flu, bro.
Maybe you have a meat allergy.
https://acaai.org/allergies/types/food-allergies/types-food-allergy/meat-allergy
It’s a very good reason to become vegetarian.
How does this take into account the speed at which the afflicted passes on or of the people who have no known ailments?
Yes that seems to be the case.
There appear to be many sects of religious Judaism even in the 21st century. I understand Hasidic is a separate category from Orthodox but I would like to know what difference there is between Ultra Orthodox and Haredim.
It is possible but in Jordan and Tunisia they do not have as many carriers ,,,remember we do not examine fatality number (number of dead) but fatality rate which is number of fatalities/ number of carriers…
Hey Fran you say
Are you referring to these kind of spiritually uplifting scenes? https://twitter.com/Yossi_eli/status/1245285868916682752
It is correct, the sects that defy social distancing (in Israel) are at large the so called ‘anti Zionists’ and what is the take home message? It may mean that Zionism is not the problem, it is just a symptom of a much deeper problem to do with dismissal of the Other, non empathic behaviour, carelessness or maybe, we should better refer to chosenness…The most interesting aspect of all of it is that early Zionism identified all those problematic symptoms and vowed to eradicate them,,, It didn’t work very well…
Maybe Yahweh will use Covidschewitz-19 to pound some morals into his peops again.
Maybe He will kick his chosenites through goyim goal-posts again, the Tribe having lost none of its toxicity. It retains its arrogance, mooching-fetish, Jesus-loathing, crime propensity, shoahmania, etc. despite being frogmarched in the desert for 4 decades.
Having been bounced from 109 “bars,” perhaps another bum’s rush is in-the-works.
One can hope.
And pray.
Wishing jews upon jews is vile and antisemitic
I hope that is free-range broccoli and lettuce you vegans are chowing down on….”The Secret Life of Plants,” 1973, and “The Hidden Life of Trees,” 2016…..hold on…I’m back–just the bacteria in my yogurt complaining about the cold…
In other words, if the Goyim tell the truth about Jews, welllllllll… that ain’t allowed.
Far more importantly, Israel & Jews endanger the World.
And I’m not talking about CV.
Poisoning wells in the Middle Ages fits right in to that mindset.
Truth. It’s a powerful thing.
I have gained the impression that the difference is between “modern orthodox” and “ultra-orthodox”, the former being Zionist and the latter holding that the Israeli state has no right to exist.
I’m afraid I can’t be of much help. I knew him from my having studied abroad in the early 1970’s. My girlfriend at the time lived in a small house that was on the same property as the apartment Jason rented. She talked with him more than I did and while I talked philosophy with him, she learned of his personal past.
If you sat in a room with him for any length of time, it was obvious that he was in physical pain. He moved his jaw in a peculiar sideways adjusting motion frequently. According to her, this was the result of an automobile accident in which his wife and daughter were killed. The accident occurred when he had been living in Canada, so that is where you should search for records.
He gave a copy of his book to my girlfriend which I looked through. Stoicism would seem to offer some spiritual help to a man who struggled with pain, guilt and bereavement. She told me that he had spoken to her about the Stoic’s acceptance of suicide as a justifiable resolution to life’s irresolvable problems.
A year or so after I had returned home from my studies in Greece, a classmate who had just finished studying there informed me that Jason had committed suicide. This saddened me as he was a charismatic person and if such a man had determined that life was unbearable, then from where were the rest of us to draw the courage to live?
Dear Fellow Jewish people,
I will be blunt. I think it’s definitely time for us Jews to recognize our sacred religion for what it really is – a supermacist cult and to denounce it. The Mosaic Covenant must be broken. The oh-so awaited promised Moschiah hasn’t come for thousands of years and we have only up until the year 6000 for him to show up and to elevate us as the ultimate leaders of the World. Fortunately or not, this is not going to happen. All our efforts to prove otherwise will only reveal the fallacious and highly irrational essence of Judaism to the critical thinker, a cult that emerged from Ancient Canaanite worship. I am aware that blind and irrational belief in our traditional religion is what is required from us, but inquiring one’s deepest and most sacred beliefs is what makes one human and not a robot.
The premise seems to be false because China, just after India, had the highest mortality rate of any country by far for the Spanish flue
Else it would have been interesting
Thank for that, I really appreciate you getting back to me – really interesting. It is turning out to be really quite difficult to track down any information on him. I was told that he was involved in a car accident in Baton Rouge in 1969, but the person who made the comment said that it wasn’t serious. Would you be able to hazard a guess as to roughly when you think the accident in Canada may have happened? I take it this was when he was teaching at the University of Alberta? But you met him while you were in Athens? He apparently committed suicide in 1976, though I have not attempted to find anything in Greek records yet – now might not the time to be sending non-urgent requests for information. I have seen a couple of comments that he was apparently quite charismatic, quite a presence.
Thank you again and if you can think of any other small detail, I would appreciate it
‘Only butter helps to protect the lungs’.LOL!!.
Funny how my quitting eating all dairy very strictly for about 3 years slowly but surely healed my ‘incurable’ Asthma.
I bet most who die from Covid-19 have high CHOLESTEROL which clogs arteries and therefore lowers IMMUNITY.
Karma is a very beautiful bitch!
‘The meek shall inherit the earth’….meek, as in not being a very selfish cu-t that eats or wears animal products.
“Ultra-Orthodox” has an undertone of “wild-eyed heretic”, but as usual it is hard to define. They refer to themselves as “Haredim”, roughly “the [God-]Fearing”; they accept a charismatic oral tradition usually tracing to some Wonder Rabbi in the Wolhynian swamps (where they called themselves “Chassidim” lit. “the Pious”) that is not considered canonical by the (Ashkenazi) Chief Rabbinate. Parallels to Schabtai Zwi Messianism are obvious. Some of them dispute – based on a literal reading of Jeremiah – the legitimacy of Israel in the absence of the Maschiach, but that view is waning.
(Jokes about their ideas of ritual and personal cleanliness are legion, yes 😛 )
Sabra Israelis (almost makes one feel for them. Almost.) regard them as a pestilence;
they do not serve in the army (except in special units collecting human remains after bomb attacks; the idea of having to be buried intact is also known from some of the wackier Muslim and Christian incarnations). The men don´t work and are not the sharpest mohel knives in the kosher drawer but do reproduce – which seems to be the only reason they are heavily subsidized.
The most concise explanation I have seen …
Common situation: The rabbi is getting married.
– With the Haredim, the mother of the bride is pregnant [= marrying very young, no premarital nada)
– With the Religious Zionists, the bride is pregnant [= Israel needs soldiers]
– With Western Judaists, the rabbi is pregnant, and
– With Reform Jews both the rabbi and the bride are pregnant.
Hope this helps 😀
anti-Semitic tropes like these?
Trillions of viruses in the world, and Israel just happened to be working on a COVID vaccine?
Such luck!
Almost as lucky as those Mossad assets who were caught in New Jersey on 9/11 filming the WTC attacks and celebrating while doing so!
Or how about anudda’ anti-Semitic trope, about Jews being thieves?
So what kind of whiny excuse Frau, do you have for this abhorrent Israeli/Jew behavior?
Need anudda? How about the Brooklyn Jew who was arrested for hoarding medical supplies and then acting like a terrorist, coughing on the FBI agents who were arresting him?
I’m sure poor Baruch is just another victim of anti-Semitism, never mind that he had hoarded enough medical supplies to outfit a small hospital and was selling his stash at a 700% markup.
Maybe if Jews would stop acting like those anti-Semitic tropes and become part of the human race, they’d be viewed in a different light?
#coronahoax aka ccp flu will kill the same groups that are always susceptible: the elderly and those with compromised immune systems.
If Trump has balls, he’ll end the hoax Easter Weekend.
But that’s a tremendous If.
I am sure the non self hating ‘True Torah Jews’ who condemn Zionism would disagree with you.
Its how you act and not what you are that is important.
“… the fallacious and highly irrational essence of Judaism”.
Thanks, ExRabbi. Well put. And it has terrible side-effects. Because it’s fallacious and highly irrational, Jews in denial of that must resort to lying and deception, so lying and deception become the mark of the Jew. Simply abandon all Jewish ritual and be proud that, having abandoned it, you are not a Jew.
Thanks to all that took the time to answer my question; much appreciated.
Peace.
Otto Weininger was a based Jew.
The rest kept jewing in disguise. Like Gilad.
Maybe segregate from humanity for a few hundret years, build a wall!
I am not sure at all… Some ultra orthodox are embers of Netanyahu’s Government…most ultra orthodox are Zionists, it is Satamr and Neturei Karta who aren’t…
Carnosine is the issue, it’s non essential because it can be made from two other amino acids, but is used by the brain and vegans have much less of it, so I’m not one
I don’t buy leather or silk because that is an easy step honestly, and I’m not against cooperative work between species, but like you said, the living hells of factory farms are horrible.
I suppose reactions are generally over reactions, so people jump straight to veganism without trying to return to the middle ground of ethical, less intensive farming, but if people can and do pay £40/kg and more for chocolate, they could do the same for violence free cheese.. Really, this is a project for Russia with its cheap land, but half of them think vegetarianism is a disease! :s
Hate milk hah?
Please study some nutrition books. You will find there that butter is the best for creating mucus in human body, Mucus is essential for protecting airways and your lungs.
Human body is capable to create mucus from all animal fat also. Human body is not capable to create mucus from vegetable oils, and that leaves body without the protection.
Naturally the wisdom in nutrition is in variety of food substances. Excess of any group in nutrition is rather harmful than beneficial.
We’ve been focused on the provable connection between the simulation and response, which has the identical markers of other false flag simulations gone live that changed everything, such as on 9/11 and 7/7 in Great Britain. If you haven’t seen it, I recommend Professor Michael Chossudovsky’s analysis of the actual planning, including players like CIA, CDC, State, Gates Foundation, Johns Hopkins, GlaxoSmithKline and financial mandarins running the initial simulation on Oct 19, 2019 and then getting together again during planning sessions held Jan 21-24 either informing or green lighting WHO’s wildly inflammatory announcement setting the panic in motion on Jan 30. Tedros’ history as the right hand man of the Marxist butcher/dictator of Ethiopia and previous work for Gates to achieve enforced global vaccinations and how he ended up turning WHO into a political vehicle for Gates’ enforced vaccinations should have had Congress investigating the connections on day one. The Johns Hopkins world graphic depicting the outbreak of pandemic has what statistician Edward Tufte calls a graphics’ Lie Factor that’s off the charts it’s so grotesque an exaggeration, while the Empire State Bldg lights up its top like rotating red ambulance light.
According to Shadow Stats, the entire financial system had already failed late last year due to irreversible insolvency, requiring a cover story for the most massive bailout to date. Given the China reset and reduction in the availability of goods in the face of hundreds of $billions of helicopter money, it must result in a hyperinflationary depression. This is same thing as introducing a massive cut in the Western standard of living, eventually by about half, and blaming it on a virus. This will be covered up by the press and go unnoticed via stealth inflationary confiscation of savings and the inflationary reduction in the purchasing power of our wages.
But I’m thinking that possibly the greatest economic reset will be in health care, where this staged pandemic response is a prelude to nationalizing the health care industry, possibly worldwide and especially hospitals as a prelude to one-world government. It will never be announced, but come in piecemeal as treaties ceding national sovereignty to one transnational compliance regime after the other, accountable to no one but the likes of Gates, Tedros, and Fauci. And what a horror it is to see the president allow a man like Fauci to become a virtual dictator when, in fact, his last vaccine unquestionably resulted in more deaths and disability than the flu itself.
As one astute citizen-reporter has revealed, she ran into the CEO of a large hospital who told her hospital and the rest are hemorrhaging cash. Selective surgeries and other medical services have been ordered shut down by the state. Amateur videos show that the lines for testing and piled-up bodies in the so-called epicenters of LA and NYC are staged, at least so far, and in one case CBS was caught pretending footage from Italy was from NY. Real videos, now all over the place on the Internet, show ER’s totally empty and the same for the ubiquitous triage tents. So, our hospitals have additional and crushing burdens placed on them while their cash flow has been intentionally reduced almost to zero by Fauci. This will bankrupt them as intended.
The report quite rightly relied heavily on Israeli sources. By simply going by what’s described here, not a word on the vulnerable and abused populations of Occupied Palestine and the open air prison of Gaza. Covid must provide the pretext to let the disease take its course among Palestinians, thus exacerbating the ongoing slow Israeli genocide. This is somewhat (not entirely) reminiscent of the Tuskegee syphilis experiments on African American and Guatemalan inmates.
Don’t you notice that supposed news items dated 1st April are often a bit sus?
I live in [NYC-USA] I am A Italian American, I married a Jewish girl 30 yrs ago. We know these So-Called Hasidic people are Nasty Dirty people, they smell, dress in Natty Garments.
In ISISraHELL we see on line the Hasidic people spitting on the Police & [IDF]
Now Moses acted out like that. Down with the Racist Apartheid Terror Regime,
Also, it is a Fact In the So-Called Middle East ISISraHELL is the only regime that has a “GAY-PARDE”
This is not Biblical Israel, this Part of Occupied Palestine was British made by then Lord Balfour 1917
The only nutrition books that i study are macrobiotic books that very wisely frown on dairy foods.
@ 56 living in the cold winters of northern Europe i never ever now get colds or flu etc because my blood is far purer than someone who pollutes their bloodstream with Cholesterol.
If the Mucus effect from dairy is so beneficial then how did i heal my ‘incurable’ and chronic Asthma by simply avoiding all dairy and eggs for 3 years??.(i didn’t eat meat anyway and all i did was quit cheese and butter and eggs overnight and this was the only change i made to my diet 3 years ago)
I don’t know what books you are reading but it sounds to me that you are reading books written by people who are absolutely clueless about the optimum diet for humans.
Mucus is suggestive of illness because it is the secretion of mucus that is trying to contain unwanted germs in the body and the fact that so many are lactose intolerant is clearly because humans are not meant to eat dairy products.
If you want to drink milk then go suck on a cow nipple just like nature intended but watch out for the bulls as they may get jealous that you are moving in on their girls.LOL.
Perhaps we are finally seeing the true denominator for covid-19 death rate (IFR) in these numbers from Israel.
I find it unbelievable we are not seeing BIG randomized testing all over the world in order to figure out how many are indeed infected.
For the moment I can’t think of a more pressing question to be answered.
Fran Taubman, what are you on about? It is very understandable that you feel threatened and embarrassed by the situation. A person such as yourself who belongs to and identifies with a group who is a carrier of the disease and neglects ALL medical and social instructions to avoid SPREADING a disease should feel this way, considering the fact that the Jewish state sees this demography as an existential hazard, and has to use the Israeli in an attempt to stop them from spreading the disease. As a result, blaming Gilad for your feelings 1) isn’t solving the problem 2) is slightly pathetic 3) it actually emphasizes how correct Gilad is in reading the morbidity in your identity politics.
NO, because I read the article not only at the site I left, but at others. In fact, the Mossad has been almost gloating about their world-wide network that enables them to pull off these capers. Guess that’s a reference to Jewish ‘sayanim’ which are Jews living in other nations that can be counted on to help Mossad agents who are in need of some shekels, or a hiding place or maybe some strings pulled to get them out of trouble.
Maybe you’d feel more secure reading that noted rag, the Washington COMPOST?
Or maybe from the horse’s mouth itself? Or should I say from the Golden Calf’s mouth?
Mass deaths in The Zionist Entity and Brooklyn, ah one can hope and dream.
What’s ethical about letting parts of an killed animal go to waste?
Never really undestood that about vegans.
Most meat eathers don’t buy enough wallets and belts.
Not sure about femoids though, they are above any scale in unethical behavior anyway.
For once and probably the only time, I admire the jewish religious community for a faith greater than their cowing Christian neighbors.
Long after their communities have put this behind, the west will still be scurrying in the shadows like hysterical little girls.
I would add that “God is not a real estate agent” and that Ashkenazic jews are into judaism for the benefits that the ((tribe)) provides, nothing more.
Much of the world’s criminality originates in israel, being the epicenter of the “white slavery”, child prostitution, financial schemes and scams, outright political assassinations and murder, the leader in “false flag” operations, and many others.
All one has to do is examine israel’s policy on extradition…criminal jews will not be extradited if they make it to israel.
Today’s jews’ claim to Palestine is a fraud perpetrated on the rest of the world.
I went 3 days as a vegan this year. I went 2.5 days last year, at my best effort. I was/am going through a lot, so I don’t fully trust my feeling of how it changes my mood; but I found myself overwhelmingly drawn to eat more meat after no more than 24 hours. This is kind of pathetic sounding but it is more experience.
Other than drinking too much, I am exceptionally physically healthy and big and strong. I did supplement with vegan protein because of this, but I still felt my diet was utterly incomplete. I get the same thing when I have no vegetables for a couple of days too.
I’m just slowly moving to a no killing diet, but I agree – I advise milk consumers to eat veal (and do so myself), as you consume more of the cycle. Also never liked leather, being a jeans and t-shirt kinda guy. Never had to get into clothing as on my first day on the trading floor my boss told us ‘wear what’s comfortable, cause all that matters is that you make money’, so jeans and t-shirt it was!
Fatalism – one can always say this is God’s action, so there is no individual need to act. Like the rabbi said in the quote. If the father looks after his children, and you are one of his children, you are safe!
Whether the Christian congregations are more conscious of the impact of their actions, maybe, but churches have been given exemptions in many countries, sued to stay open in Brazil, and a cursory search pops up many (likely heavily panic driven) stories of churches holding meetings regardless of what direct effects they would likely have.
Exactly. The UN, which has turned a blind eye to many an atrocity, if they’re committed by the West, now wants to charge all nations a 10% tax to..well, do something. Those Broadway theater tickets and reservations at NYC’s most chic restaurants must be going up in price.
When this hysteria is over–if it ever is–there will be many a worker without a job, replaced by AI technology and drones, then told they had to be laid off due to COVID. And about those civil liberties you had to give up to make you safe? So sorry, those won’t be coming back, they need to stay in place to fight future virus outbreaks.
I agree, this article is not about the Israeli Palestinian conflict or the Corona virus in the context of this conflict.. it is an article about a specific problem to do with Orthodox Jewry and it elaborate on the current health crisis both in Israel and the USA. Due to the sensitivity of the topic I made sure that all my sources were Jewish and Israeli. I explained it in the disclaimer at the top of the article. I guess that no one is stopping you from writing about Corona in Palestine and Gaza in particular.. I monitor the situation and may write about it soon..
They are correct. Just another cult.
I was allergenic actually not to lactose but milk protein. I still do have a little milk in my cafe but no other dairy product I do eat whatsoever. I do have a two inch thick book named “Nutrition in health and disease” where I did read it many years ago. It would take me quite an effort to find the quote from the book. I do find it obsessive to go through that effort. So if you do not believe me it is just fine with me. I do cook with butter. and I do make ru from lard.
Perhaps removing the Eruvs would be prudent. As they are a continuous surface, they could be serving as a kind of super highway allowing COVID-19 to wriggle and slink about. Alternatively, the community could be required to scrub the Eruvs daily with powerful disinfectants.
*Event 201*
The Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security in partnership with the World Economic Forum and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation hosted Event 201, a high-level pandemic exercise on October 18, 2019, in New York, NY. The exercise illustrated areas where public/private partnerships will be necessary during the response to a severe pandemic in order to diminish large-scale economic and societal consequences.
The Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, World Economic Forum, and Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation jointly propose these recommendations.
http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/newsroom/center-news/2020-01-24-Statement-of-Clarification-Event201.html
Gilad I am shocked you can not give a better answer then this.
Judaism from the time of the Temple destruction through out Medieval Europe, and the ME was Orthodox Judaism and Hassidic dynasties (each having their own customs.) The same for Mizrahi, Separdic and Ashkenazim Jews. It’s center was the Vilna Goan in Lithuania, not sure about the ME. Jews wore fringes, had beards and women covered their heads (shaytl, tichal). It was not called Orthodox since those customs and rules were universal. You were either a practicing Jew or not. The basic rules were as follows:
Orthodox Judaism:
-Keeping the sabbath
-Keeping Kosher
-Family ritual purity
-Women covering their heads.
-Men covering their heads.
After the enlightenment other sub divisions occurred.
-Reform Judaism
-Conservative Judasim
–Modern Orthodox Judaism.
Modern Orthodox Judaism (I was raised), included keeping the sabbath, keeping kosher, family purity was optional. Women do not cover their heads and men usually do not cover their heads outside of the Synagogue or at home. The main difference between Orthodox and Conservative is in the Synagogue. In Orthodox Synagogue men sit separately from women divided by a high barrier.
Today those differences are defined by Orthodox (modern), and Ultra Orthodox (traditional from the middle ages),
Then you have the various Hassidic sects which are family dynasties, the most prominent being the Lubavitcher Hassids which run the Chabad movement and all the Kabbalah centers.
3 points.
Spanish Flu 1918 started almost certainly in Kansas not China.
There is no evidence any Flu or Corona Virus has racial selectivity.
Good to see Jews are starting to eat their own. This should be encouraged as a positive action to benefit humanity at large.
Wow! That “ordered by others” would take a lot of explaining.
Nobody has examined that except in one case: the Diamond Princess. Diamond Princess is the only situation were a scientifically valid sample size (3,711 persons, of varying ages and ethnicities though it had a far larger population of people over 60 than the general population), who were all exposed to this virus, were tested. Of them, about 700 (20%) got ill (i.e. – 80% were immune from the get), and of those, about 9 died (0.25%), all over 70 (probably no younger dead because the young and very sick don’t go on cruises).
Since these people (passengers and crew) were stuck on this sick in tiny cabins and central air with the virus for 6 weeks (and 27 days after departure, the authorities found virus all over the ship, including in cabins of asymptomatic passengers), this essentially places an upper bound on the infection and death rates.
Nobody mentions this best available evidence precisely because it is by far the best available evidence, but it does not point to the “horror show” narrative being pushed by the Rulers, who prefer to exploit this manufactured (by them) crisis to their advantage.
Nowhere else has there been anything remotely similar in terms of comprehensive testing of a population (every person on the ship was tested), nor a case where it is reasonably known that everyone had been exposed.
Fran Taubman please inform your bosses that they must “up” their game radically if they want their nonsense to ” work”.
Mark: Fail!
Well, there is a theory of natural selection, which Orthodox Jews reject. Yet it is natural selection that is likely to cull those unfit to live in human society.
There are over one hundred Hassid groups, some of which started recently in America. Hassidism is one of the direct results of the Shabbatai Zvi movement. Shabbatai Zevi was a Satanic Messiah born in 1626 died 1676. He was a Spanish Jew born in Izmir Turkey, and out of him came the Donmeh who ran the Turkish government in the 20th century. Why Satanic? He said that what was prescribed by law is is now prohibited by him and what is forbidden is made permissible by him. Mainly this means orgies, and “a doing a-what comes naturally.” Shabbatianism and Hassidism are based on Kabbalah, materialist antinomial Satanism. The Hassid Rebbi is considered, for all practical intents and purposes to be God Himself. This is understood only by the elect. For the Lubavitchers this was diluted down—for the fringe— to the idea that Schneersohn is Moshiach, and of course half the Lubavitchers are not sure. The founding Rebbi results in a dynasty of his descendants or the group is taken over by a successor in a power struggle. Only the Rumanian-Hungarian Satmar group claims to be anti-Zionist on paper, because of a pet idea of Teitelbaum’s. The Satmar march “in protest” against the Salute to Israel day Parade under special protection of the New York Police. But their opposition to Israel is only on paper and they go to Israel like everyone else. They also show solidarity to the Iranians and show up in Teheran as guests of the government.
Another development out of Shabbatai Zevi are the Frankists. Jacob Frank said, besides orgies and promiscuity, it is perfectly safe to convert: Lightning will not strike you. These Frankists include Karl Marx, Vladimir Lenin (*his grandfather and great grandfather), Benjamin Disraeli, Heinrich Heine, and thousands, thousands, perhaps millions more. As Shabbatai Zevi said the forbidden is permitted, Jacob Frank applied this in particular to conversion to the religion of convenience as the path to success. Frank converted in 1759 with the Polish King as his godfather. 26,000 Polish and Ukrainian Jews followed and received Polish nobility, and money. The process is still going on. And this must be why Poland and Ukraine are so screwed up. Frank died calling himself the “Baron of Offenbach.”
Frankists who did not convert include Sigmund Freud who started his own religion, and Louis Brandeis who had a trinity of Zvi, Frank, and Frank’s daughter Eva. I think it is correct to say that Hollywood, where Jews married Shiksas and had Christmas trees, was a Frankist development. (Irving Berlin and Samuel Goldwyn come to mind. Remember the MGM lion of Judah lying on a torah?) Frankism Lite is the Reform Judaism of Temple Emmanuel and the Society for Ethical Culture. Read. There is a lot to learn about the world around you.
Interesting article Gilad especially in light of your recent article about the Israeli elections re the Israelis vs the Jews. Are there any implications from this at the political level in Israel?
With all the crap coming out of your mouth I would have thought the name would be Brown Shit instead of Purple Carrot.
Mar 31, 2020 CoronaHoax Pandemic Proven Fake…
Yet The Lockdowns Continue… Here’s Why
Yes but it seems to kill them in far greater numbers.
I thus agree about opening society, but not completely.
The vulnerable are about 5-10% of the population and generally unproductive (retired or too sick to work). They can self-quarantine (or, if you are an authoritarian statist, use law – a gun – to force them to quarantine) – importantly, including from their non-quarantined family members!, who will spread it to them – and everyone else go about their business.
In this case, the virus will roll over the population during the first season/year. It will kill some of the non-vulnerable as well – like all flus/diseases do – but roughly along annual lines. After that year, society will have achieved “herd immunity”.
The problem with a partial quarantine is that the virus continues to circulate, and since the vulnerable and non-vulnerable people intermix (intimately, at home), the vulnerable will keep getting infected – this could go on for years. The result: vastly more dead, and a destroyed economy (which the Rulers will buy up for pennies on the dollar – diseases can be very profitable!).
A Jew is not a “what you are” sort of thing – it’s not genetic, like being blue-eyed or 6′ tall. It’s an identity, that is one thing Gilad hits right on the head perfectly.
Lots of Jews have assimilated over the millennia since Diaspora, and you will never know they are Jews – nor will they. I know lots of Jews who are “on the edge”, so to say – they still weakly identify as Jews but are not part of the Jewish cult – i.e., they don’t read Jewish newspapers, do not obsess about Israel or Jewishness, try to make Jewish friends, celebrate Jewish holidays (which are almost all celebrations of massacres of non-Jews), go to Jewish schools, live in Jewish neighborhoods (ghettos), etc.
That is, they don’t identify as Jews, but as Americans.
These people have emancipated themselves from Judaism. Anyone can do it. It is not a “what”, but a choice.
I knew him in the Autumn of 1972. We lived in Agia Paraskevi, a suburb of Athens. I was under the impression that he had died sooner than 1976, but that’s only an impression.
Perhaps my girlfriend was mistaken. Maybe he had said, “I was in a life-changing automobile accident and I lost my wife and daughter.” meaning that he had divorced. And she may have misinterpreted that, thinking that they had died in the accident.
On the other hand, when she told me this, she gave me the impression that she was telling me something which he had confided to her and was not generally known. Her beauty would give any man reason to bare his soul to her (or to spin a tale to beguile her and win her sympathy).
There were a number of other foreign students who gathered about him. Perhaps they (we) were the “hippies” he spoke of in his comparison of them to the Cynics. We certainly looked the part. You have to remember, this was during the Colonel’s Greece, the Greece of post movie “Z”. A Greece where dissenting artists were arrested and tortured, where a police bus was brought to the Golden Key nightclub and everyone inside loaded up and taken down to the station for IDing. To have long hair was to be under observation, to have your mail opened and censored, to be stopped on the sidewalk, shown a baggie of oregano and asked if you wanted to purchase it by plainsclothesmen, to sit at the tables in Syntagma Square and have to constantly be on guard about what you said lest an informer hear you. Soldiers with sub machine guns stood on the corner sidewalks of every main intersection downtown. Athens was troubled and a troubling place to be.
It was a Greece in which a philosophy of mental self sufficiency and detachment from external influences would fit nicely. Since you could do nothing to alter the outward, political state of affairs, then better to turn inwards and cultivate those habits of mind that free oneself from the dissatisfactions and distractions that follow on the heels of “the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune“.
I’ve heard this claim made but have not found any such videos despite some sleuthing. Can you (or anyone else making this claim) please link to them – and make sure the ER rooms are in hospitals in the hot spots for the outbreaks (in particular, in NYC, which has about half of the nationwide positive “cases”)? It hardly makes the case if a hospital in a city not hit hard by the virus (say, Fresno) is not full.
Thanks in advance!
Infowars had one pretty good compilation; I’m sure there are others. Try Angirfan in the UK, too.
I know a brother (he actually used to post here a while back and still visits UNZ once in a while) in radiology in a NY hospital who got sick with flu symptoms but recovered. He told me there was a point when he was reviewing ten cases an hour for lung-related issues before he got sick – he said it felt “apocalyptic”. So they sent him home and he tested positive for Covid. The first few days were really bad, but he is a relatively young and healthy person so he’s been able to recover and now has to be in quarantine at home for the rest of the two weeks before he can go back to work.
So make of that what you will.
My cousin’s husband in an ER physician in the Chicagoland area and he said we aren’t as bad as NY, so I’ll be checking in on him this weekend to see what he says.
Peace.
True, that is why I live on a remote Island away from everyone. I love being a recluse.
Thanks for that video. Why are you reading so much into this child’s ranting? I said stupid stuff when I was a child. Is he saying Nazi? If that is all he is doing for revenge is making a pantomime by coughing in the air, I do not see the big deal.
Jews did not blow themselves up in German restaurants like other vengeful religions do all the time. I was also referring to Crown Heights in Brooklyn in my last post, not Hassids in Israel.
Why do you always feel the need to point out the Jews in a less then favorable light? For every stupid Jew there is a real productive, worldly, helpful one. There are many Jewish doctors on the front lines of hospitals in NY risking themselves working round the clock healing Covit patients.
Let me ask you this. The worst pandemic going on in the US and around the world in not Covit, it is opioid pandemic, 53,000 died last year in the US from opioid related issues. It is not just in the US it is a world wide problem. The Mexican drug cartels are responsible for the world wide supply of opioids not just heroine but the man made drugs like fentanyl. These cartels are run by Catholics. They are religions. The baptize their children have rosary beads wrapped around their rearview mirrors in the cars etc. Is this recorded as a Catholic genocide, in the ongoing religious tally of who commits the most genocides Christians, Jews or Muslims. that like the Russian Revolution? Is the opioid pandemic a Christian caused genocide? If the Mexican cartel were Jewish you would have books to write Gilad, instead you are reduced to children screaming Nazi and coughing. Humanity as a whole is the cause for all human behavior. No one group is more responsible then another.
Also of note is the ongoing funding of Jihadist organizations like Hezbollah from drug trafficking of opioid from Mexican cartels. The US government has frozen some Jihadist bank accounts but forensic analysis has shown that Jihadist terror groups like the Party of God are heavily funded by drug trafficking.
Fatalism isn’t Christian. So goes the old adage: “Pray as if everything depended on God. Work as if everything dependent on you.” I think this is from St. Augustine, who was a very early Christian father.
The Jewish belief that they are the chosen people doesn’t extend to Christianity. We don’t believe we are the “chosen race,” as it were. As Jew Respecter said, the Christian perspective on plagues is that it is the wrath of God, and that he must be appeased. Does this mean you shouldn’t follow CDC guidelines if you’re a Christian? Absolutely not.
I can’t speak to the actions of every single Christian community that is holding mass now. For Protestants, there is zero obligation to ever congregate together, let alone during a pandemic. For Catholics, the obligation to attend mass has been lifted for a while now.
As a Christian, it’s actually truly terrifying to learn that for the first time in history Easter Sunday will not be public at the Vatican this year.
See what they celebrate?
A psychopathic tribe.
But you did stick in one sentence there in your article.
Guess which one.
And we do not know the culprit. So in the world of inspector, sorry chef inspector Cluseo everybody is under suspicion.
So you are excused!
Actually I believe my answer is better as I don’t see any form of judaism as a principled belief system but rather as different forms of tribal identifications. I would agree with you that this is how religious Jews define the sectarian demarcations… if you were familiar with my work as I would expect you to be by now, you would have known that for me, everything can become a J religion as long as it sustains a lucid concept of chosenes. This includes: Communism, the Holocaust, solidarity, human rights, enlightened egotism, moral interventionism and also Judaism. Accordingly, Judaism is just one jewish religion amongst many…
Bibi is going to have a big government so for the time being the fight between the Jew and the Israeli is going to be postponed. tx for your kind words..
I think Gupta’s Oxford group assume the same speed of spread of the COVID-19 pathogen through the population of Britain as Imperial did. The difference from Ferguson’s Imperial model is Gupta says there is a 50/50 chance it started to spread sooner, a fortnight before the first reported case and a month before the first known death, which seems reasonable by my way of thinking.
We know many people have died and but do not know how many have been infected/exposed since the begining of the year. The originally reported death rate from Wuhan used too low a denominator, (by a factor of 15-40) and this is just the cases of active infection. The Chinese had no serological assay to detect antibodies to the pathogen in those who had been infected but eradicated the virus from their bodies. So the denominator could be a enormous number that when the deaths are divided by it gives a universal death rate far lower that even Israel’s, for the whole wide world.
My reading is that Professor Gupta deep down thinks there is a much more than a 50/50 chance that the pathogen is orders of magnitude less dangerous than Western governments are accepting on the basis of Imperial’s prognostications, and the deaths in Italy misleadingly appear to confirm. When the serological data come in and they digest it the lockdown will likely be ended for all not especially vulnerable. Soon after the end of Easter holidays is probably going to be the time.
This coronavirus pandemic is no nothingburger , it is a flu-epidemic-level spike in death of the elderly and infirm. We have not had a flu epidemic for over 40 years and if one was to come now it would not be able to kill those who had already died of COVID-19. There were fewer influenza deaths in Italy than usual due to a mild winter so more deaths from the COVID-19 than there would otherwise have been, but a glut then cull of old heavy smoking Italians is only making COVID-19 look dangerous.
I mean, the first people to get a communicable disease would be those who are in rush hour public transport, a workplace, then socialising and going out for a drink. The true death rate for the population of Italy is likely higher mainly because they had excess oldsters hanging on by the skin of their teeth from the warm winter. The median age of Israel Jews is 31 and the same figure for Italian is 46. For a population that is so old Italy has a threadbare medical infrastructure. Italians spend about a third of their wages on football season tickets, while Germans are taxed that amount to pay for hospitals. Most of the population of Bergamo were celebrating their team win a Champions league match on 19 February by drinking and platonically slobbering all over one another into the early hours. But this was before Mattia the marathoner was supposedly infected, so the weight of evidence in all countries is inexorably shifting to an earlier start for the virus begining to spread. With the corollary that getting it is not even noticeable for most people.
That’s absolutely correct.
Can someone stop being Jewish or Christian? Absolutely.
Can someone stop being Asian or Aboriginal? Not so much…
Leftists (Jews in particular) like to spread the idea that “race is an artificial construct”. The opposite is true. Race is a real construct that is (most probably) emerging from the different environments in which groups of humans have evolved throughout millenia, and religions are an artificial construct.
For all the fanatical anti-racists, please note that I am not saying there are lesser or superior races because every race has its own distinctive features and I believe there’s place for every race on this planet and beyond and nobody should be enslaved by anybody (e.g. Blacks should not be enslaved by Whites and Whites should not be enslaved by artificial constructs).
I went out shopping this morning and saw a couple of pairs of Hasidic Jews walking together and one large group of orthodox women crossing the street very closely together but none of them looked a bit unhygenic.
But why aren’t they paying heed to the governor’s (Cuomo) call to stay at least six feet apart? It will not only endanger them but others as well … may be they are listening to that crackpot rabbi in the video.
Did Yahweh develop COVID-19 just to punish the goyim, Gilad?
I cover it in the article and provide the links to stats in different countries … in some countries like South Korea and Israel they kept scanning/testing the vast population, in others countries like Italy, and the UK testings were limited, the more testing you do, the lighter is the fatality rate.. look at the bottom of this page https://epidemic-stats.com/ you ll find statistics for each state.
I myself believe that testing for virus carrier is a futile task,,, what we need is scanning antibodies and measure the state of herd immunity…
I’d say the Jewish Talmudic Chabader Noahider Ultra-Orthodox are far more of a danger to us true believers in Jesus Christ and even all gentiles than they are to themselves. And I suspect you know that, Gilad.
Oh P-l-e-a-s-e Devon Nola I have seen your post you are a Gild groupie. a cultish one at that. The sun rises and sets by Gilad’s post. You worship him, like many other tin horn Jew hater, one devoted to publishing list of slum landlords in NY that went to Yeshivas. Like who the fuck cares. I am not embarrassed by anything. Your posts are cookie cutter jokes, about the Jewish stereotype.
The religious Jews in Crown Heights are practicing all of the distancing laws, they just happen to celebrate and pray in tight quarters with large groups of people more so then other peoples. They are unlucky. There will be some lunatic Jews and Jewish groups who are acting stupid but no more so then stupid non Jews all over the world. I am sure if you google you will find some. But like all tin horn Jew haters with a cartoon character for a brain, you need to point out how Jews are spreading it more then others.
My first post was about the Chinese wet markets. Theses wet markets have been the source (traceable) of other viruses. Sars. etc These wet markets practice prima facia unsanitary conditions and go against the standards of all western hygiene. They mix in tight spaces live carnnevouers eating animals with dead animals. The fecal matter from carnivores eating animals contain viruses. This is known fact. These viruses are then transmitted to the market sellers and dead animals being sold. Ebola came from monkeys. These markets sell Monkeys for food. Why hasn’t the WHO shut these markets down permanently from selling live animals with dead animal meat? It is so stupid and basic?
So if want to get hysterical about a bunch of neurotic ignorant Jews spreading the virus as opposed to the hygienic origins of the disease knock yourself out. There are more Jews on the front line fighting this virus, helping people and experimenting for cures then there are those spreading it. You should be embarrassed for your ignorance and cult like devotion to Gilad. I am more scientific and nuanced in assigning blame to people. I am not a racist. I follow science not medieval superstitious cosmic Jew hatred propagated by ignorant fearful people like yourself to scared to look at all of humanity for the problems of the world. So easy to scapegoat one over the other.
So save your 1) 2) 3) for another Jew haters to lap up, or the ignorant passerby.
COVFEFE=COVID-19 , apparently Trump was told about the Coronavirus psyop in 2017 and was being truthful when he first called it a “hoax” .
Translation?
Where are these opponents of Zionism? AIPAC rules America but I see no protests. And where are the voices raised against Jewish supremacism? Media monopoly?
So a country that has a religion that bans pork (Judaism, as well as is the case with Palestinians Muslims within Israel and the Occupied Territories) had a SWINE FLU problem in 2019? Oy Vey!
From
“Larry Fink was not exactly a household name until President Trump singled him out in a White House press briefing on March 28th as one of “the smartest people in the world” who is helping figure out how America’s airlines and other big U.S. companies can weather the economic pandemic unleashed by the Chinese virus. While President Trump asserted that Fink “love[s] this country,” one thing is certain explained Mr. Gaffney: He loves money and has made immense amounts of it doing things that are, in a word, troubling.
As our friend Frank Gaffney explained, BlackRock, Inc., with its estimated $7 trillion under management, has repeatedly placed the interests of America – and, for that matter, those of his clients – second to his own agendas and interests. The most worrying of the latter are his sustained, concerted and personally lucrative efforts to promote investment in the PRC. They have, over time, had the effect of enriching and enabling the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), its corporate fronts and the malevolent activities in which they have long engaged – to the grave detriment of this country, its security, and values.
And Larry Fink is certainly no cultural or economic conservative – or economic nationalist, like Donald Trump.
Fink is on the Board of Trustees of the World Economic Forum and features prominently in its programs. Indeed, this year, he used his remarks at the Forum’s conclave in Davos to promote the priority his firm would be giving to environmental, social and governance (ESG) principles over return on investment. And in his annual letter to global CEOs released last January, Fink actually threatened those who disagreed with that priority: “…We will be increasingly disposed to vote against management and board directors when companies are not making sufficient progress on sustainability-related disclosures and the business practices and plans underlying them.”
Fink’s strong-arm tactics to impose his globalist climate-change agenda are, of course, rooted in a bid to destroy the fossil fuel industry – and, as such, are fundamentally at odds with President Trump’s policies.
But there is another, even more troubling aspect of Larry Fink’s globalist agenda that Mr. Gaffney exposed in his article: Fink’s history of advancing the economic and military interests of Red China.
One of Larry Fink’s most controversial agenda items is an impending investment of the roughly $600 billion portfolio of the federal government’s retirement system, which BlackRock manages, in malevolent and other Chinese corporations, says Gaffney.
If this decision to mirror the Morgan Stanley Capital International All-Country ex-U.S. World Index, which is now imminent, is allowed to proceed, Fink will have put President Trump in the unenviable and untenable position of compelling U.S. military personnel and their civilian counterparts to invest in Chinese Communist Party weapons manufacturers and the Party’s other odious companies.
For nearly a year, the “Committee on the Present Danger: China” has been warning (see, for example, here, here, here, here and here) about the CCP’s penetration of our capital markets and urging the countermanding of that decision which the Federal Retirement Thrift Investment Board (FRTIB) initially took in 2017 with implementation to occur this year. Unfortunately, the FRTIB reaffirmed it late last year despite strenuous, bipartisan objections on Capitol Hill and from influential veterans. Unless President Trump intervenes, it will go into effect in the near future.
To his credit, notes Mr. Gaffney, President Trump understood the necessity of decoupling from Communist China long before he confronted its COVID-19 virus. The pandemic, however, has made such disengagement not just vital; it is now absolutely imperative.
In conclusion said Frank Gaffney, if we seek to be truly an “independent nation,” however, we must address the ultimate bilateral supply chain with China – the seemingly limitless supply of U.S. hard currency being supplied by the likes of Larry Fink to an adversary that makes no secret of its intent to defeat us – and that is using such financing to enable the realization of such an ominous goal.”
Read The Protocols of Zion and the book The Controversy of Zion, read them and weep for we are a nation of sheep.
Other vengeful religions? OTHER VENGEFUL RELIGIONS? It is frightening to stare at such insanity.
But this is stating that the cause of the issue is God, and the final fork in the decision tree of the solution to the issue, is God.. granted, in the middle, some ‘I’ must be defined to jump through the right hoops to beget mercy.
But if an ‘I’ is defined, then surely it is defined by God. Then it would be as if someone broke your legs (creating an I separate from the perfection of God is injury – unless permanent existence is more insufferable than impermanent existence (here the Buddhists would agree!)), and offered you a labyrinth (plague), saying ‘if you make the right choices, I won’t kill you as you walk through it’, with the wrong choices leading to a permanent separation from that perfection. Unless of course he kills the righteous, against their will (what agency does ‘I’ have then?), to rescue/free them (and if it is their will to die, well, fatalism).
And if God is the instigator, then he is the direct cause of suffering to many Is, and therefore not perfect or benevolent in any commonly accepted meaning of the word.. aside from the absurdist tract of ‘His works are above our understanding’ – placing the solution within the metaphysical,, in other words – fatalism.
Don’t get me wrong, I love Christ’s moral teaching, and even his teaching on concentration (prayer, fasting), but the metaphysics ends up being self defeating.
All faiths with a primary cause start out with the logical and linear point that ‘the primary cause affects all that proceeds from it’, and then spin spirals around that belief, away and in contradiction to that exact statement. What ‘I’?! There is no thing absent God and no thing other than God within such a belief system. Even limbo in Dante’s Inferno was only ‘the place furthest away from the grace of God’!
And the thing about such contradictions, they lead the faithful to abandon reason, for their faith in God and his decisions – ones determined within the metaphysical realm. In other words, fatalism!
Your nose is blocked up. Go see a Doctor immediately.
The smell of the Zhydi is so bad they are booted off airplanes.
Opiates were pushed by your fellow jews. They (owners) of a pharmaceutical company knew the dnagers and yet lied to doctors saying oxycontin was not addictive if given for pain. They made billions and now are being sued. Your people are pure shite: slavery, pornography, wall street shenanigans, the fed, drugs, alcohol during prohibition, they were the real Mafia, holdomar, bolshevism and 20M killed by your Jewish brethren in Soviet Russia. And you’re an apologist and a troll. You will not see!!!!!
But still suppoort Israel in the end.
I actually think you have captured a slice of the truth here – and shed light on why Jews are hated.
“Chosenness” – the idea that every human being has a duty to spirituality elevate himself. “A Nation of Priests”.
It is the opposite idea to “egalitarianism” – the sacred idea of the Northern Germanic tribes.
Chosenness upholds standards. Egalitarianism breaks down standards. Chosenness calls on everyone to elevate himself. Egalitarianism tells everyone to be satisfied with the common level.
Any movement that tries to elevate the human being, whether Communism, human rights, moral interventionism, etc – can be called Jewish in spiritual lineage at least.
But some people hate this with a passion – they don’t want to be elevated. They want materialism.
Its the old classic line, “what, you think you’re better than me”?! Yes, I do! And I call on you to become better. It is a challenge.
The existence of Jews is a challenge to the world. And many do not want that.
The opioid epidemic is the fault of the Sackler family of Purdue Pharma.
They developed synthetic heroin in their labs. Some of their scientists quit when they realized what they were doing.
The Sacklers also started their very own medical journals to market Oxycontin, because no reputable
journal would have approved it.
I think they’ve been sued by a few states and lost bigitme, but the family got off scott free.
They made something like 19 billion off the misery that Oxy caused all over the USA.
They also made a ton from Valium.
Interesting !
But if it were true that Israel had a hand in the creation of the virus ,we have to find why mortality is low a, infection is still high, and morbidity is still significant .
There is a huge dissociation between the infection and the mortality .
How is regarding yourself or letting others know ‘what you are’ as in ‘I am a Jew'(other than regarding yourself as a living human being or the illusory holographic being that we really are) not giving yourself an identity?
If you ask most people ‘what are you’ then they would have to respond by giving themselves an identity unless they answered correctly that ‘I am nothing and don’t exist and am without any real identity’ but more than 7 billion people would end up giving you the first answer.
The only thing Jews need to emancipate themselves from is Zionism and someone has yet to let me know what is it with the 6000 year old Bible/Torah/Christian/Judaic commandments that one needs to free themselves from?.
I have far more respect for Torah law abiding Jews who remain Jews after condemning Zionism than those Jews like Atzmon who ridiculously denounce Judaism where it is obvious its ‘original God given to Moses’ commandments are very clearly the antithesis of Zionism/Israeli land and resources ‘thou shall not steal’ theft.
Great experiment on 35000 people. Any prediction as to hospitalizations and deaths. As a corona skeptic I am hoping for no effect, no hospitalizations and no deaths. How will that be explained to Lock Down USA?
Zelenko urged to stop making videos:
https://www.lohud.com/story/news/coronavirus/2020/03/24/kiryas-joel-doctor-coronavirus-videos/2913292001/
After testing this three-drug cocktail on hundreds of patients, some of whom had only mild or moderate symptoms when they arrived, Zelenko claimed that 100% of them had survived the virus with no hospitalisations and no need for a ventilator.
https://bdnews24.com/world/2020/04/03/touting-virus-cure-simple-country-doctor-becomes-a-right-wing-star
And apart from that nice family in Connecticut the U.S hegemon/drug running CIA influence in Afghanistan where since occupation poppy production skyrocketed.
Ger your head out of your ass. Drop the narcissistic self-righteousness. Reality check, please. Many many movements have aspired to elevate the human being without having anything to do with Judaism or with its God whatsoever. In fact, Jews have contributed significantly (orchestrated, in fact) to the destruction of non-Jewish intelligentsia in Eastern Europe during the Judeo-Bolshevik revolution.
Here’s what Judaism really preaches about the elevation of humanity: https://jewishchronicle.timesofisrael.com/sephardi-leader-yosef-non-jews-exist-to-serve-jews/
Jews: We want to elevate humanity and help bring peace on Earth! Shalom!
Also Jews: By the way, non-Jews were created to serve us. Without that they have no place on Earth.
Communism: We want to elevate the human being, to free workers from their shackles!
Also Communism: By the way, we killed 20 million people because they didn’t agree with us.
The country statistics there – which are pretty much the same as reported everywhere – underscore the gross negligence if not fraudulent method of presentation used to incite hysteria and shut down rational thinking.
Even when there are 10 videos clearly showing someone commit a crime, the media uses the word “alleged” and “suspect”.
But what do we see here? “Number of current infected”, not “Number of tested currently infected” (and of course, nowhere to be found: “number tested” and “test criteria”). If you test only the dead, you will of course have a “100% death rate”, since cause of death is completely irrelevant in hysteria mode (more on that below).
Also we see “number of deaths”. So, presumably these are deaths where the deceased had tested positive, or tests positive after death. But what was the cause of death? Nobody cares. How is it relevant? Because people die every day, and if say 50% of the population has the virus (one would know this number, if they did some kind of random testing, but of course they don’t, that would actually help too much in understanding this and the hysteria may subside), then one would expect at least 50% of normal deaths to test positive for this virus. But never mind, that’s too complicated – let’s just add them to the COVID-19 death toll by default.
Here is an example of this assumption at work, just to prove, I am not making up how ridiculously these numbers are fabricated. Summary: a 42yo mammogram technician died in her home at night. After her death, she tested positive for the virus, even though she had shown no symptoms. So, without any evidence whatsoever, she is listed as a COVID-19 death (see also: “after she died of coronavirus”). Could have been suicide or an overdose or a heart attack, who knows, we sure won’t. No doubt when the autopsy report finally is released, nobody will have access to it – and the media, if they did, certainly wouldn’t report it was not a COVID-19 death. Nor will the COVID-19 death count be reduced for it. Because that doesn’t stoke hysteria.
It is a template. Follow the dots from historical review. Google it.
Many deaths caused by world traumas occurring through out history = The Jews.
It may not convince you but there exist a pretty reliable historical record of events. That is why the Jews wanted their own sovereign state they got tired of living on what ever hair pin trigger that might be next.
Sotto voce, Where is this vaunted Jewish intelligence I’ve heard so much about?)
You do not have to be a genius to understand this matrix. Jews and Christians were ideological foes so there was a need to make each other look bad. Christians were in charge of Europe during the middle ages. You can figure out the rest.
An idea must be in accordance with what is directly observed. Otherwise, death is life, pain is joy, etc etc.
Chosenness states that Jews are somehow different from non-Jews. This is not what is observed. They are, just like all things within this experience – subject to anicca (impermanence), dukkha (a lack of permanent satisfaction), and anatta (not-self).
If you are more minded to look at the modern scientific method, then the Copernican principle states the same – that humans don’t have a preferential frame of reference to observe the Universe. Rovelli’s QM states that no observer – human or elementary – has a preferential frame of reference, at all. These are statements that are testable, verifiable, and falsifiable, in the here and now – and those axioms allow those models to explain more of the world, better.
Chosenness upholds ego, it is Avodah Zarah – the worship of the self. Were it justified through direct observation, fine. But direct observation shows that we are all partaking in the same heap of suffering, where ego and self are just approximations subject to error. Here, a discounting of local realism, scientifically: https://phys.org/news/2017-07-probability-quantum-world-local-realism.html
Now sure you can differentiate between ‘things’ – the animals without a moral compass (although Orcas, for one example, adopt injured and abandoned members of other pods, to the point of hunting for them, and feeding them – so there goes that exact delineation!), and humans. And within humans you can differentiate between those that follow the Noachide laws, and those that don’t (or any other delineation for that matter), but that delineation will just be a line, drawn in the sky, empty of any Absolute frame of reference.
This is the problem: for the Jews, the delineation is Absolute, as it is offered by the metaphysical. A Jew who breaks the Noachide laws, is not the same as a Gentile who breaks the Noachide laws. Same directly observed actions and intentions – yet different results.
As for materialism – when you worship yourself, you have scaled the peak of materialism. Look at all the modern spiritualists who embrace the Self – their embrace of narcissism, selfies, boasting, self-worship. The most treacherous Avodah Zarah, and why the post chosenness form of Judaism is a pure antithesis to whatever light shone before exile.
Now if it is Jewish actions that elevate them above others, excellent! But that is not chosenness.
While it’s true that the Frankfurt School may have originally been located in Germany, don’t you think it’s a little unfair to characterize their members as deriving from a Germanic tribe?
Some may have used another c-word to describe how the goyim really feel.
The article I link to elaborates on the means in which the 1918 flu made it from `China to the USA… however, I am not in a position to tell where the 1918 Flu started or where the Corona orginited, What I do instead is arguing that if there is any merit in the argument about China being the originator of the 1918 Flu, for being immuned to the virus, we can apply the same argument and check what regions are more immune to the Coronavirus,,, Israel with its low fatality rate is clearly a suspect…
… or alternatively:
If you look at the video again you will notice that in the background an adult orthodox male coughs in the face of a policeman,,, the meaning is clear, we are witnessing an organised political act and the meaning of it is that for this specific Jewish sect (Beit Shemesh, Israel) spreading deadly viruses is a kosher political strategy. Yes, I am deeply troubled by it and I expect you to be as troubled as I am..
You are conflating “what you are” with “who you are” or, more specifically, “what do you identify yourself as”. Because what you are is a physical characteristic and identity is not – you can choose to be a Democrat, or not to be, but you cannot choose to be tall or not tall.
If you ask most people “what are you” they will look at you like you are insane. They will think you are questioning if they are human – because that would be their answer, “I am human”.
Rubbish. Jews were supremacist self-chosenites worshiping a demonic beast long before the word Zionism was ever on Herzl’s lips. And a good number of Jews aren’t Zionists. I invite you to read Karl Marx’s essay On the Jewish Question (a response to Bruno Bauer’s essay, The Jewish Question). The highlight:
You think Judaism applies the Ten Commandments to the cattle (non-Jews)? LOL! How naively ignorant. Have you bothered reading the rest of the monstrous Torah? Well here’s a quote most on point regarding the treatment of Palestinian cattle in Ersetz Israel – read the whole thing, you really must understand this to understand Judaism.
Bingo! Bingo! You finally warrant a response from me. Reading these many post stating that if Jews just gave up being Jewish and denounced Judaism, and stopped practicing and reading the Torah and joined the human race, Jew hatred would stop. If only!!!
Most German Jews gave up being Jewish. When the door knocked they said they were Germans not Jews, most German Jews were non practicing. If the shit hits the fan Gilad will be seen as nothing more then a self hating Jew but still a Jew. So ignorant to think we can just step out of our Jew suit and but on a human suit and we are good to go. Your proof with your post saying we cannot disguise our Jewishness, there needs to be a physical wall from humanity for several hundred years.
Most of the Jew haters on this site blame the Bolshevik Jews for the genocide of Communism and Stalin, claiming that a huge chunk of the people were Jews. They were not Jews in the classical sense, they were not practicing Jews and denounced Judaism, and did not identify as being Jews. They were basic humanist fighting for human equality. Anti imperial, anti aristocracy, anti feudalism and anti choosiness. Yet Jew haters still identity them as Jews. They denounced all religion and were secular, faithful only to the state.
That is why Jews have become less secular, they figure they tried blending in and it did not work, so they chose to wear their Jewishness on the outside as a means of identification tired of hiding and trying to fit in. A new approach.
Kind of a catch 22 being Jewish there is no way around it. If Israel went down and all the Jews dispersed, it would not matter. Jew hatred would still exist even from the anti zionist. Jew hatred is an irrational cosmic force with no explanation and no escape. Intelligent people realize this, that is why collectively the Jews around the world and in Israel are hunkered down and have stopped trying to please the world with the fake two state peace plan. They tried to please and it failed. Always trying to make nice.
I understand it, Fran. Jewish Supremacist Organizations are destroying Western homelands by promoting nefarious policies such as mass immigration and mass miscegenation.
Sow the wind and reap the whirlwind (Hosea 8:7)!
Read the article… I mention that the statistics that favours \Israel is due to the fact that Israel made more tests,, I also mentioned it in the comment above that South Korea also engaged in vast testing yet its fatality rate is 3x worse than Israel…
I am not entering here a debate about Corona whether it is indeed dangerous or not,,, I have elaborated on the topic on this site… I agree that panic plays a major factor here…
The ten commandments is only for the chosen people according to the Torah. The concept of Amalek slaying of non-Jews in the Torah is the heart of the destruction of our planet since 12.23.1913.
https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/ask-the-expert-blotting-out-amalek/
There are several and it isn’t too difficult to google words or images of ‘jews against zionism’ like I did.
just coz msm doesn’t report on it doesn’t mean it isnt there and shape shifting younger is there also but not on msm either…lol..
i am no jew but I just cant see how all jews can be be evil Zionists scum and evidently they are not.
if you feel the need to hate then save it for Zionists and not jews as it appears there are thousands of them that condemn the evils of Zionism.
Don’t you think it is too early to make wild ass speculations particularly when all what you want is to push your agenda that really has nothing to do with the epidemic. Do you want to be like Lance Welton who to prove his racial theories would be happy to see all Chinese dead? Everybody knows what you are doing. Herd immunity of Israel that you postalute is an insinuation that Jews had something to do with the virus, possibly they created it and cleverly they made themselves already immune to it while the whole world is suffering.
https://sputniknews.com/europe/202004011078787684-italian-town-next-to-epicenter-of-covid-19-outbreak-mysteriously-avoids-cases—reports/
explain this please
Although Fran to be fair it was Jews in middle ages Europe that invented usury and hence the Jewish name ‘Goldsmith’ and we see today the wall street bank ‘Goldman’ Sachs as a reminder but as you know there are scum in all types of people and not just Jewish people and as I said any hate should be directed at Zionists and not those of Judaic faith as that is rather ignorant and silly.
Pure farce:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/artificial-intelligence-holocaust-remembrance-60-minutes-2020-04-03/
Did they have a Jewish soul, or a Gentile soul? If they were born of Jewish parents, how did they lose this soul? If they took up atheism, where in any of the Jewish teachings does it say they lost their Jewish soul?
S Korea’s success and US’s failures cant be explained by some ulterior motives of certain evil force but by US’s own stupidity or hubris .
On Fox -Seema Verma suggesting that one reason South Korea has been so effective in responding to the coronavirus is because it isn’t a “free” country like the United States
She is the Medicare Medicaid administrator.
May be this virus turned her into a stupid .
Completely irrational!
The Navy dismissed the captain of an aircraft carrier crippled by the coronavirus from his job on Thursday, two days after the officer’s unusually blunt letter warned that the service would have failed the sailors if it did not remove them from the vessel more quickly, the service would fail them.
Navy Capt. Brett Crozier, the commanding officer of the USS Theodore Roosevelt, was relieved of command at the direction of acting Navy secretary Thomas Modly. The Navy removed Crozier after becoming increasingly convinced that he was involved in leaking the letter to the media to force the service to address his concerns, a defense official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue.
Modly said Crozier showed “poor judgment” by sending the letter by email to a group of 20 or 30 people. He did not directly accuse Crozier of leaking the letter, which was first reported by the San Francisco Chronicle, but noted that it appeared in Crozier’s hometown newspape” https://www.inquirer.com/news/nation-world/navy-captain-coronavirus-brett-crozier-uss-theodore-roosevelt-dismissed-20200402.html
Trump adminsration is still blaming China for everything under the sun related to the virus .
Rightwing radio hosts says its necessary for the national security interest
Seema Verma thinks this is all about being free .
By the way are we still honoring our solders by clapping or by allowing them to board the planes before the person on the wheel chair ?
Meanwhile bank took the money to give to small business But the banks are stalling .They have already doubled the interest rate .
Though it’s hardly a one-way process, since prior to the Israeli government action, they had already “self-ghettoized” by forming a closed community that defined itself in contrast to the larger society. It’s a very similar dynamic, whether the “Other” is the broader Jewish/ Palestinian society in Israel, or a goyishe society in the rest of the world [pre-emancipation].
>64% of the patients that he thought might have the disease test positive for the virus on RT-PCR.
>He then concludes that 90% of a random sample from the same population must have the disease.
Either Dr. Zelenko has a very low opinion of his own clinical acumen, or a rather shaky grasp of how that whole “statistics” thing works.
It’s possible, but there’s a more likely explanation — the combination of time and exponential growth.
– The average time between infection and death is about 21 days.
– During the early phase of an epidemic, the number of cases is growing exponentially — and so is the number of deaths… but with a 3 week lag.
– The combination of intensive testing an rapid growth in the number of cases means that cases are often diagnosed early in the course of their illness — including a lot of people who are going to die from the disease, but haven’t died yet. An extreme example: if you diagnose every patient on the same day that they’re infected, the disease will appear to have a 100% survival rate.
Note that the apparent case fatality rate for COVID-19 in Israel is gradually increasing over time: today’s numbers show 40 deaths/ 7,428 cases = 0.0054 [0.54%].
You cited South Korea as an example of a higher fatality rate despite intensive testing and good quality care. Note that their apparent CFR for the disease is still gradually increasing; as of today it’s 174/ 10,062 = 0.0173 [1.73%]. The number of cases is now increasing very slowly in SK, so the deaths are “catching up” to the cases (people who have been sick for a while are still dying of the disease). But if we look at SK numbers from just a few weeks ago? Different story:
Look at 3/7, when they had a similar number of cases to Israel now: 48/ 7041 = 0.0068. But that’s not really a fair comparison, because it’s clearly after the peak for new cases, while case numbers in Israel are still rapidly increasing. If you look at 2/29 — just before the peak?
17/ 3150 = .00539 — pretty similar to Israel now.
Germany used to have a very low apparent CFR for the same reason, but they’re up to 0.014 now. Iceland currently shows 0.0015, but they will likely follow a similar trajectory, and for the same reasons.
Is South Korea really free? Anyone who thinks it’s must be stupid whether they are suffering from the virus or not…
Mr. Atzmon beat me to it. Are you saying that you did not see that adult man in his strange costume deliberately cough on the policeman? You saw only the boy? What kind of malevolence lies in the hearts of these people? What part of their religion teaches them this garbage?
Three FACTS are missing from this article. Needn’t be the latest. Last week’s are fine.
1 how many orthodox have died of Chinese virus?
2 how many orthodox hospitalized from Chinese virus?
3 how many sick enough to spend at least a week in bed with Chinese virus?
I’m 400 miles from Los Angeles for the duration. Does anyone who lives in LA checked the LA Jewish Journal for their whining and caterwauling about how the Chinese virus affects Jews?
Orthodox are pretty inbred. Maybe it’s genetic? My family’s been afflicted with bronchiolitis, bronchitis , pleurisy, sinus, pneumonia, sinus, rivers of mucous constantly dribbling etc for generations and before the vaccine, whooping cough, and in the 19th century TB This includes deaths from TB and whooping cough* before vaccines.
When a community inter marries for generations and moves as a group to Brooklyn or Israel from Europe and stays together for another 80 years genes will be passed on.
There’s also the fact that Israeli jews are always complaining about each other. I know a man who’s Mizrahi whose family lived in Israel for centuries as far back as the records go. He hates the Zionists. Not because he’s so religious but because the European Zionists treated the Mizrahi Jews as badly as they treated the Arab Muslims and Christians. He remembers his grandfather always saying they were better off under the Turks and British.
So maybe this is just ultra seculars complaining about the ultra orthodox. Lots of Israeli immigrants in California and all they do is bitch about life in Israel, especially the draft.
In December the black hat orthodox men go around to the malls and public places giving people Hanakka doo dads. I always say “no thanks, but it’s nice to meet a Jew who’s not an atheist black criminal loving commie like most Jews I know” . So we have a good 15 minute conversation about how much we both dislike Jewish liberals.
* whooping cough vaccine why I hope all you anti vaccination morons get polio and spend the rest of your lives in an iron lung with complications of scarlet fever and whooping cough.
What utter Jew horseshit.
(((Movement))) that tries to elevate human beings?
The only elevation you fuckers ever did was elevate Jesus of Nazereth on a cross.
Go to Hell you Phuque.
Spreading more b.s. Under the 1935 Nuremburg laws, Germans were allowed to marry 1/4 Jews – who were considered fully “German blooded”. That means one grandparent could be Jewish. Many of these Germans fought in the Wehrmacht.
You are using the typical Jewish deception of conflating what it means to be “Jewish”. Jewishness is an identity, not a religion. Those “Jews” that do not identify as inherently and fundamentally superior are permitted to marry non-“Jews” – only the true “Jews”, who identify as such, keep marrying within the tribe (not “religion” – the tribe).
Jews lived in Germany 1,400 years. During this time, they held the Germans in utter contempt – living in ghettos, marrying each other, despising German identity, speaking Hebrew or Yiddish (Yiddish being largely German but they could not get themselves to accept anything from the “inferior cattle” around them). They even had their own court system (beth din) through the ages – akin to Sharia courts, which are widely condemned (particularly by ZioNazis), but which settled disputes not just among Jews, but often between Jews and Germans.
Given the child-birth ages and life expectancy at the time, that means about 70 generations. If you kept intermarrying in the tribe for 70 generations, you were a Jew. Period. And the fact is there have been so many crypto-Jews in history, who have wreaked havoc with their treachery, that simply asking “are you Jew” wouldn’t cut it. So the Nazis used individual actions – assimilation – rather than individual lies – “I am not a Jew”.
Yup, and he better watch out for the self-chosen Jews, they’ll knife him in the back and go celebrate their deed, maybe even make a Holiday of it.
CIA, as well as Mossad, MI6, DGSE, and at one time, the KGB, are all a Jewish/Black Nobility operation.
The CIA does not make most of the money from the drug trade – they enable it, and create a monopoly by taking out the competitors. The intelligence agencies serve the Rulers, not the puppet governments, which also serve the Rulers; they are the enforcers.
The bulk of the money of the drug trade – about 30% of the street value – goes to the Rulers’ banks in the form of money laundering profits.
That is the entire point of making it illegal – to enable such massive profits through monopoly. Jews love monopolies – that is how they came to Communism, in which case, the entire economy is their monopoly. That is why you will find Jews dominating in all the monopoly trades (they don’t like to compete on merit) – patents, copyright (music, movies, art), limited natural resources like diamonds, etc.
There are two parts of Deuteronomy, which I already quoted in this thread, that explain, in case you were confused, how Jews can simultaneously be both Zionist and Communist – it is all in where is the land. 20 Deuteronomy 10-15 deals with the lands “not nearby”, which are to be Communist and slaves of the Jews; and 20 Deuteronomy 16-18 deals with Eretz Israel, which is to be Zionist and absent of non-Jews.
‘what you are is a physical characteristic’ That’s complete nonsense because there is no ‘physical’ and all is illusion(fact)If someone asked me ‘what are you’ I wouldn’t think they were insane in the slightest and I would just reply that ‘I am an illusion in an illusory dream world’..but I am not sleeple like you are.
It is only you here that are naively ignorant for comparing something written later in the Torah(and OT ‘Christian’)as in non Jews) with what was given to Moses on Sinai for the Jews/Israelites AND the mixed multitude waiting for him below.Not too much to separate the commandments for ‘both waiting parties down below.LOL
And as if throughout history its only been Jews with a supremacist mentality and am not quite sure ‘demonic beast’ fits the description of a golden calf…LOL.
Well George, you think that the treatment to be effective should able to work upon the dead?
At 47 years Germany has the oldest median age in Europe, for Israeli Jews it is thirty (so even if they all if they get infected only one per cent of half of the population of Israel will even need to go to hospital) and the Haredi younger still. A fifth of the under three per cent of Israelis who are over 80 will need to go to hospital if they get infected. These proportions of age groups needing to go to hospital if infected are almost certainly massive overestimates because there is a bias for not detecting asymptomatic infection.
It averages significantly more than three weeks I think. Anyway, it is already clear that there are not going to be any overwhelming of the hospitals in countries like Germany, Iceland or Israel. It is essentially similar to a ordinary influenza pandemic as regards the demographics passing away.
Well said. The data surrounding this pandemic is full of gaps. It is very incomplete. There are many contradictions. How many people have actually been exposed to this virus? No one knows for sure.
What are the actual rates of morbidity?–especially as it relates to 1) age and 2) pre-existing conditions? Might the percentage of asymptomatic carriers be higher than imagined?
When will the MSM begin making the essential distinction between those who died with the disease vs those who died from the disease? This distinction is key. Yet it is still largely ignored.
The MSM is deliberately whipping up hysteria and–with the help of health-care prognosticators–willfully spreading highly dubious conclusions about Covid-19 death rates as well as the overall level of risk that this virus portends. Hyperbole abounds. The social and economic damage being done by government/media intervention however is tragic, preventable, and colossal.
It’s time to ease up on the futile shut-down of virtually all human activities. This disease will run its course whether we want it to or not.
Fact: this flu season as many as 250,000 old and sick individuals might pass away semi-prematurely here in the US (as opposed to say, 50,000, which is a more the seasonal norm). The US can survive this toll easily (I say this as a man who just turned 68) but we must not ruin countless lives and business by initiating draconian social-economic policies that damage the well-being of all Americans.
Solution: allow the healthy and young to return to work and engage in normal activities (with some reasonable restrictions). Advise high risk groups to self-quarantine. Our world population of about 7.8 billion people will survive this pandemic. After all, in a ‘normal’ year, 55,000,000 humans die of one cause or another. Death is the final chapter, as well as an essential chapter, amongst all living things.
Agree agree agree agree agree.
Off topic. There’s marijuana for dogs. It’s called Hemp Treat. Makes them nice and mellow.
You’re a Jew, you should know
Are Israeli children vaccinated with the BCG vaccine for tuberculosis? This vaccine is given to all Japanese children and there infection rates are quite low.
Christine, it’s nice that a little girl like you has learnt to read and write already, given you are so clueless in other ways, have so much to learn.
Note Exodus 20.13, “Thou shalt kill, but not Jews.” Same applies to stealing. Don’t you understand that the whole Torah is about stealing land?
Go to the fifth book of the Torah, to Deuteronomy 31.7 where Moses appoints Joshua as his successor, then to the book of Joshua, telling how Joshua totally exterminates every man, woman, child, baby in every city of Canaan that he conquers with God’s help, in the case of Jericho only allowing the traitoress and her family to live.
Then go back to Exodus 2, where the murderer Moses escapes from Egypt to Midian where the Midianites give him refuge and a wife. Then read Numbers (Torah, remember?) where Moses begs the Midianites to guide him and the Israelites through the desert and they do, and then towards the end of Numbers where God orders Moses to exterminate all the Midianites, very man, woman, child and baby, and he does.
It has to do with endless complicated food rules, 2 dishwashers, menstruation as it affects men, endless persnickety clothing rules, women compelled to wear wigs, but only dark brown collar length page boy style five thousand dollar wigs from the Rabbi’s sister’s wig shop, rabbis inspecting women’s Under pants for a molecule of menstrual blood before giving the husbands permission to touch their wives again, men refusing to sit next to women of any age in public transit and airplanes because she might be menstruating, ankle length school uniform skirts for girls, endless endless clothing rules regarding fit, style color and everything, the men required to wear a White long sleeved shirt and black tie all the time to show they are not filthy degraded manual workers, as well as kippahs and shawls with the fringes of a certain length and number always showing outside the pants, living within a couple blocks of the synagogue because they have to walk on the sabbath not drive, considering it’s a sin to touch your wife 15 days a month because she might be menstruating but it’s a good deed to use a shiksa prostitute because she’s not really a human being, lying cheating and stealing in business because God gave you permission.
The lists of regulations is endless and each sect has its own.
Your facts are my possible world and almost everyone else’s nonsense. But regardless of whether “there really is a physical”, there really is the perception of one, and if you had even a small bit of intelligence you would have understood that is to what I was referring.
You are a narcissistic fool in my world, a god of your own making in yours. Fortunately I don’t live in your world.
The Ten Commandments appear in 5 Deuteronomy 6-21, the very same book that I quoted, you nincompoop. And the very quote I posted (20 Deuteronomy 10-18) was also taken from Moses, you complete nincompoop. I.e., the first 30 chapters, including chapter 20 (from which I quoted), of Deuteronomy are sermons by your beloved Moses. Yeah, that dreckige piece of shit preached the genocide of all non-Jews in Israel (which was, in fact, accomplished, if you keep reading Deuteronomy and Joshua) and the enslavement of all non-Jews elsewhere. But you worship his Ten Commandments, lol, I pity you.
Never claimed that. I disdain rednecks and Salafists as much as ZioNazis. But on the other hand, the sheep – like you – are constantly defending only the ZioNazis, being aware of the ugliness of those other groups.
You are amazingly clueless, so let me spell it out for you: the demonic beast is Yahweh, the Jewish god, not the golden calf.
What I am trying to show is that the concept of Chosenness is “elastic” – all language is much more elastic than we give it credit for.
For instance, a Buddhist – by becoming one – now states that he is in some way different from the rest of mankind, who are not Buddhist. He thinks Buddhism is the best spiritual path – so he thinks of himself as an elite, which is egotistic.
However, Buddhism emphasizes the interrelationship of mankind and non-ego.
The Bodhissatva refuses nirvana until he can save every sentient being – he is “chosen” to do this task, it is his mission. The Christian believes he is “chosen” by God to spread the Gospel – the Good News.
Now, the concept of Chosenness may mean Jews are superior and different than the rest of mankind – but what is the nature of this superiority and this difference?
By adopting any religion or spiritual path whatsoever – be it Buddhism, Taoism, Zen, or Islam – you are declaring to the world that you are henceforth different and better.
This is unavoidable if we are going to have spiritual paths.
This is true even if ones belief system is marked by the insight that no one is superior – because to those who deny this, you are superior in insight.
Therefore, the question must be – what kind of superiority? Is it temporary or permanent? Does it create an essential barrier between you and mankind or a contingent and temporal one?
So the concept of Chosenness itself may be no different than the Buddhist belief that his spiritual path is best – the meaning of the word itself is quite elastic.
Do you accept this much before we go further?
“Solution: allow the healthy and young to return to work and engage in normal activities “ and give the old an immunity from prosecution for shooting the healthy and young within the 6′ radius.
Like Hollywood drivel? Television? The porn industry? Lawfare? LOL, if only it were a joke.
Totally agree, my somewhat more winded explication above.
I thought egalitarianism was characteristic of the early Germanic tribes, who were proto democratic and gave women a higher position etc. And egalitarianism was a key concept of the French Revolution, created by the Frankish tribes, and later in English democracy.
It’s not just about Zionism though you still do not address my point that AIPAC, the leading Jewish lobbying organization for Israel’s nose in the American trough, is both extraordinarily well-financed and enthusiastically supported by Jews or completely unopposed by Jews. The egregious Jewish campaign to suffocate free speech here in the U.S. under the guise of shutting down “anti-Semitism,” that mysterious, inexplicable disease that afflicts the goyim for no rational reason known to man, inspires precisely ZERO opposition from any Jewish organizations or public figures. Kudos to any who do raise their voices but widespread opposition there is none.
Organized Jewry has been the vanguard, driving force of mass third-world immigration to the U.S. (and the Western world), which immigration has destroyed the U.S. and made it into a white majority country that can no longer elect its own political leaders. The Democrat Party is entirely in thrall to the rejectionist, crime-ridden, educationally-challenged, parasitic black culture that throws up Hank What’shisname, Elijah Cummings, and the execrable, buffoonish Maxine, it’s swing vote power position thanks to the Jewish agenda of immigration and “equality.”
Thanks to the central Jewish role in American communism, constitutional jiu jitsu, minority grievance politics, and Frankfurt School cultural pollution the U.S. is riven with minority race resentment and the celebration of perversion. Jewish outcry? None. Outcry over the Jewish central role in political blackmail (Bronfman, Cohn, Epstein)? None. Outcry over Israel’s refusal to extradite criminals? None.
The NYT hired that Jeong creature knowing full well she was infected with a leprous attitude toward whites. Jewish newspaper. Jewish community outcry? It is to laugh. Jewish-controlled Hollywood and its production of artistic garbage? None.
Where was the domestic Jewish outcry when Israel attacked an American warship, fully aware that it was an American vessel? And when the Naval inquiry was shut down at warp speed? Or when Pollard clean out a goodly portion of classified Navy documents and turned them over to Israel, which never stopped chivvying for his release? Poor Jonathan.
Where is the Jewish outcry over the noxious, treasonous institution of the sayonim? Over dual citizenship? Over the perversion of the political process by Jewish wealth? Over vulture capitalism?
I feel no need to hate as you gratuitously suggest. I do, however, think it is past time for a lot of people to wake up to the negative role that Jewish money and leadership has played, that fact that there is serious hatred direct toward us, and that whatever Jewish business acumen there is out there it is not exercised to further the cause of liberty or the general interest. No. It’s “Is it good for the Jews?”
There exists in all the Western world a terminal case of the Sherlockian dog that doesn’t bark. Instead of bark we get lawsuits, warehouse arson, financial manipulation ad inf., eternal holocaustiana, the Nazis (!!!!!!!!!!), and eternal and utter surprise on the part of Jews how it’s such a mystery there’s this ‘orrid hostility that follows us wherever we go. How pleasantly that gentleman in the hat three sizes too small for him translates the Reb’s words that the virus is only for the goyim. File that one under “Brotherhood of Man,” if you wish. Deuced minority view, wot?
Quitting milk will clear up chronic bronchitis and allergic rhinitis, no question about that. The problem is the assumption that because symptoms cease the underlying problem of huge quantities of waste needing to be expelled has gone away.
Sure if you cut down drastically on amounts eaten you’ll be better off but so long as you’re eating carbs and denying yourself animal fats and vital substances that can only be be found in meat, you’re wearing yourself out from the insulin response and loading up on viruses and diseases the experts don’t even have names for, from eating food grown in dirt and who knows what else?
Remember, there are huge profits to be made in rabbit food, since it’s almost fully automated. Why else do you think the LameStream Media promote veganism so hard?
Raising animals for meat and butter, not so much, apart from the butcher at point of sale.
If you live in the US, you should worry a lot more whether the US is really free. Like elect the president directly. Like have real choice in presidential elections, rather than what we have: a choice between shit and even bigger shit (you are absolutely free to decide which shit is bigger: you know who wins either way). Like having regular people, not just wealthy donors, have a say in policies of elected officials. Like fixing the things people actually use, roads, bridges, sewers, etc., rather than throwing every year more than $2,000 per person (including newborn babies) into the insatiable maw of MIC. Like fixing the healthcare, which this epidemic exposed for what it is: all hat and no cattle, as they say in Texas. Like making our primary and secondary education better than Nigerian. The list goes on.
Considering how many serious problems we have at home, we should not worry about the problems of South Koreans. Just let them deal with their own issues any way they like. BTW, this applies to all other countries in the world.
That I do not doubt, but are you familiar of whom Talmudic Khazars, and Edomites worship?
http://www.ourladyisgod.com/i-jewish-talmud-exposed.php
What you are saying is very logical, but humans (even ones using statistical modeling) are operating with primordial algorithms, which are telling them there must be a lockdown.
I would not bet on it . Humans evolved in small bands of around 60 people, it is instructive to consider the consequences of losing many members from such a group at one time, it might well cease to exist (Gigerenzer’ book ).
A related line of reasoning is if a member of one of the aforementioned bands has a communicable disease, then having immune activation make him feel depressed and keep away from the rest of the group, and the group want to keep away from him, has an obvious benefit from the Darwinian standpoint (Bullmore 2014)
Vulnerable folks (elderly or have compromised immune systems) will be vulnerable regardless of quarantine.
Chinese communist flu is not worth turning this into a prison planet.
“Corona, as it appears statistically, at least, is more lethal for the Goyim and somehow less deadly for the people of Israel.”
Wait, isn’t Israel’s age distribution markedly different from Italy’s?
Are you losing your marbles? A properly functioning intellect wouldn’t allow you to believe that given the number of times you have responded to my comments, and healthy emotions would not prompt you to say that.
That’s correct.
If you keep reading the Old Testament you’ll find that the people didn’t follow that advice to the letter and ended up worshiping the foreign gods.
Closer reading also indicates that the Amorites and the other tribes were 15 or 20 feet tall, i.e., they weren’t human at all
The real Chinese virus problem for American jews of all sects from militant atheist to ultra orthodox who put up drapes to keep the men and women from seeing each other, in separate sections of the party room and synagogue ; is the postponement of the usual multi million dollar, unspeakably vulgar, beyond ostentatious, bar bat mitzvahs because of the band against gatherings.
When the hotels and venues begin canceling reservations, and turning down reservations for Jewish celebrations, cries and lawsuits about anti Semitic will begin.
Let me get this straight. uh If I say I am fundamentally not superior I am permitted to marry a non-Jews. Is there a judge I need to report to? What the fuck are you talking about. I have never felt superior to anyone. Do you live and work in the real world? Sounds like you live in a basement with a bunch of cats, and maybe your mother. What a crock.
News flash most events in this world including this virus have little to do with Jews and or Judaism.
Add to the list the joint Israeli and zionist traitors in the ZUS governments attack on the WTC on 911 and they got away with it and every thinking American knows they did it!
The Jews did not invent usury. There is nothing inherently wrong with borrowing money and paying it back with interest if it is a fair price. Borrowing money is used to fund investments in technology, buying a house, it is a huge engine to the economy. I do not see the problem.
Jews were invited to in the during the middle ages by Christians to deal with money. The church viewed profit from money as irreligious so they handed it over to the Jews. These Jews raised money for infrastructure, government affairs, wars and loans to individuals needed for investment. In addition they were not allowed to enter other fields, like farming, police work, the army or government jobs. The Jews were instrumental in advancing economic prosperity. Practice makes perfect they are good at finance. Anyone can enter a financial field it is not exclusively Jewish. They are just leaders.
There are good and bad people everywhere in every profession. I think the name Goldsmith came from a jewelry maker. I do not know for sure.
I particularly loved when he urged his flock to ‘Smile!’… that was a beautiful, radiant smile…lol
Any contradiction you claim to demonstrate in the faith merely results from your lack of theological understanding.
This is not the place to get into theology or philosophy. I have said my peace about rational Christian behavior in times of crisis. I only suggest obviously that you read Aquinas to correct your misunderstanding.
It’s true, as you stated that Spanish Flu wasn’t Spanish, and it’s also likely that it wasn’ t flu. In those days, “influenza” was a word used to describe diseases of unknown origin. I found this two part article interesting:
https://healthimpactnews.com/2018/did-a-military-experimental-vaccine-in-1918-kill-50-100-million-people-blamed-as-spanish-flu/
https://healthimpactnews.com/2019/did-a-military-experimental-vaccine-in-1918-kill-50-100-million-people-blamed-as-spanish-flu-part-2/
The real Chinese virus problem for American jews of all sects from militant atheist to ultra orthodox who put up drapes to keep the men and women from seeing each other, in separate sections of the party room and synagogue ; is the postponement of the usual multi million dollar, unspeakably vulgar, beyond ostentatious, bar bat mitzvahs because of the band against gatherings.
When the hotels and venues begin canceling reservations, and turning down reservations for Jewish celebrations, cries and lawsuits about anti Semitic will begin.
That pair of grifters poured some nasty smelling substance on themselves with the purpose of suing the airline for anti Semitism and discrimination. The couple are also involved in some insurance fraud investigations.
I remember when State Farm sent a memo to all their claims adjusters in S California. It had the names of 125 attorneys on it. Because those attorneys had been involved in fraud before, the instructions were to immediately pass the claim on to the fraud investigators if one of those attorneys names was on the claim.
More than 100 of the attorneys named were Jews. The screams of anti Semitic were heard through the land.
Farming is hard work Fran, and there’s not much money in it.
Except for Tax Farming, which is the reason the Kings brought your ancestors into the Magic Dirt.
Your complete and total failure to cite even a single source for any of your alleged “facts” is duly noted.
But hey — they were “real in your mind,” and that’s all that counts, right?
Also notable is your inability to comprehend the obvious distinction between “asymptomatic” and “presymptomatic.” Hint — like the case fatality rate appearing falsely low early in the course of the epidemic, there’s a time factor involved.
Meanwhile, back in the real world, the overall hospitalization rate (for all age groups combined) is around 20% — and about 5% of all cases require ICU admission.
You spelled “feel” wrong.
Read, and learn.
“Sean” sez it’s “just a cold, goy!”
And of course, you know absolutely nothing about the age distribution of the COVID-19 cases in South Korea, where the crude case fatality rate is 1.7% — and still climbing.
Sad!
You do understand that your wholly-uniformed feelings about what the nature of the real world “should” be, no matter how strongly you feel them, or how emphatically you state them, are entirely lacking in any magical powers to change external reality… don’t you?
Good comment, except I would say Jew hatred is not irrational.
It is a spiritual opposition to what Jews represent, and it is as ancient as man.
What they really want is not that Jews divest themselves of Judaism – that is superficial. What they mean is that Jews must sink to the common level. To no longer distinguish themselves in any way, spiritually, intellectually, etc.
To no longer be a rebuke and a challenge to the sleeping masses of mankind. What they hate is the spirit of judaism wherever it is found, not it’s trappings – that man is called upon to see past the ordinary, the common level. Gilad Atzmon has explained quite clearly that this is the source of his resentment.
Jews tried to assimilate outwardly in Germany, but it turns out they remained inwardly Jewish – they did not sink to the common level.
I don’t think Jew hatred is, in principle, different than the hatred of Christianity we see today, for instance. And in fact the ancient Romans used the exact same term to describe Christians as they had Jews – haters of mankind.
Nietzsche called it the psychology of ressentiment.
Now, all sorts of religions and movements call upon man to elevate himself spiritually, at various times and places. But nowhere is the call more insisted upon through the centuries than in Judaism, so that Judaism has become iconic for this attitude.
An Englishman may have Christianity as his religion – but it is only a part of his life and identity. The practices are relatively few and slight, they do not permeate every aspect of his life like they do in Judaism, where nearly every act is preceded and followed by prayers and blessings, and the rituals and laws are lengthy and complex – it is a lifelong joyous asceticism and service, not just for monks or priests, but everyone.
The Jews are masters of deception and intimidation – the leaders of debt, gambling, fraud, and porn – they promote everything that is short term and exciting. They corrupt nations and individuals.
As a class of people, the Jews do things that are bad for everyone – much better than any other group.
The above is unquestionably true!
Hmm — Brooklyn NY?
Hmm — 50% is a huge number!
Hmm — what does this say about the huge numbers of overall NYC deaths?
Hmm — is there a coverup of the Jew role in NYC’s Corona major outbreak?
Hmm — would all of the MSM all over the country cover this up for the Jews?
Do you think anyone reading stuff like these quotes below might have, at a minimum, a reasonable suspicion that with Jews there might be an extraordinary animus toward non-Jews?
– You Gentiles, by Jewish Author Maurice Samuels, p. 155., 1924
– Gus Hall, Jewish Chairman of the American Communist Party.
– Goldwin Smith, Jewish Professor of Modern History at Oxford University, October, 1981.
– Rabbi Reichorn, Chief Rabbi in France, in 1859.
– Benjamin Netanyahu
-Baruch Levy, 1879
– Susan Sontag.
– Ovadia Yosef, Chief Rabbi of Israel.
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As you say at the top of your rant, you come from poor stock and you’ve always been sick.
Hot water and improved hygiene in the 1920s decimated childhood diseases a generation before Big Pharma arrived to make a killing.
So rather than dying the sickly survived and went into Government work, infecting the entire Country with their low energy malaise and bitterness.
He certainly has a merry disposition. And an impressive command of Spanish.
It says you are a looser AH who can’t even add and subtract. By far the biggest moron on this site with your Jew this and Jew that. Go to hell you fucking Jew hater. Hell you know where that is?
Hating Jews is the same as hating god. Jews aspire to be close and know god. You can’t handle it that Jews could aspire to know god directly with no medium. Rocks your world. We are a spiritual people.
they were “real in your mind” – I doubt it. This is his trolling MO.
What you say doesn’t matter, I thought I made that clear, since Jews are allowed to lie to non-Jews, so long as they (you) recite some bullshit to your beast god on Yom Kippur.
It is an obvious fact Jews don’t marry non-Jews – if it were not the case, after 2,000 years of diaspora, there wouldn’t be any Jews left, as they would have all assimilated. It is also obvious that the Jewish disdain of “Goyim” is due to Jews’ sense of their fundamental superiority, in that, according to Jewish supremacist ideology, only Jews have souls, but “Goyim” do not.
As a Jew you must know that, so that means you are either fundamentally stupid, or playing to be to try to obfuscate your tribe’s utter contempt for the inferior “Goyim”. My guess is the latter (though you are, to be sure, quite stupid).
As a religious Jew you report to your beast-god. As a secular Jew, you report to your tribal identity and your pathetic sense of superiority.
LOL, sure they don’t – well, of course, not with peasant Jews like you, just like most events in the world have nothing to do with Europeans in general but have a great deal to do with the Black Nobility/Blue Bloods.
So many lies in one post, hey, you are almost halfway through the year, in 6 months you can atone for all your lies once again. Or by this point you probably don’t even bother, eh?
Bahahahahahaha! That’s a good knee-slapper!
Quite to the contrary, Jews infiltrated the Catholic Church (as Jesuits) and forbade Catholics – which all Christians were then – from lending money, to give Jews a monopoly on that business. As is typical for the Jewish money changers, Jews used subterfuge and politics to obtain profitable monopolies for themselves. In this way they have obtained lots of monopolies.
Again, not peasant Jews like you, you get much smaller privileges for spending your life defending the demonic Jews that rule your tribe, but the ruling Jews – the money lenders of Jesus’ day – are still at it.
Bahahahahahaha! That’s another great knee-slapper!
Quite to the contrary, Jews disdained those unprofitable jobs, which were left for the “Goyim” (cattle created by the beast Yahweh, in the Jews’ demented Weltanschauung, to serve Jews). As I noted, Jews love profitable monopolies – diamonds, banking, merchandising. In fact, so many times I hear ZioNazis whine about how they were “forced” to live in ghettos (they wanted to, as they hated the “Goyim” cattle around them) in large cities, living comfortable lives, while the “oppressor” serfs worked themselves to death in the fields. It’s a Jewish talent to turn their subjugation of others into victimhood – but that goes back to the monopoly issue – as Jews have largely monopolized the mass media, so they can stay “on message”.
Sure, Jews were instrumental in advancing their own prosperity, at the great expense, and suffering, of their host countries. Which hosts once in a while had the wisdom and courage to kick out the monstrous beast-worshiping parasites whom they had allowed to infiltrate their society, not appreciating what an abhorrent tribe was coming to exploit them.
Let me quote Mr. Marx one more time: “In the final analysis, the emancipation of the Jews is the emancipation of mankind from Judaism” (and by this, I mean, the tribe, the Jewish identity, which is fundamentally and inherently based on Jewish supremacism).
BULLCRAP!
Outside of a hospital ward doctor being coughed over by COVID-19 patients, the chances of someone exposed to the COVID-19 pathogen being overwhelmed by it and dying is not almost one in fifty. I did not realise anyone was still repeating the line of Chinese misleaders about Wuhan.
The world trusted China to give the facts about COVID-19, and got duped.
Trump’s ‘Hospital worker stolen masks’ Found, in Massive alleged Hasidic Stockpile Seized by FBI
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2020/04/02/trumps-hospital-worker-stolen-masks-found-in-massive-alleged-hasidic-stockpile-seized-by-fbi/
One Yid’s contribution to pandemic: spitting and stealing.
Catch a white rooster and twirl 3 times over head.
All will be forgiven.
In other news:
Protect your young sons. Load your firearms. Passover approaching.
Also Easter.
Mel Gibson’s, The Passion of the Christ recommended by me.
5 dancing shlomos
I have no idea about Israeli vaccination practices; I don’t live there and see no need for this tiny country to be at the centre of my attention. Since you ask, let me make a guess that this anti-vaxx nuttiness is typically something SWPL–maybe American jews play along, but I’d expect (secular) Israelis to be more hard-nosed and practical, and therefore to vaccinate their children.
But is any of this to the point? The available data show that Israelis are getting infected alright; it’s the mortality rate that people have questions about. Part of it may be what I said, and part of it that Israel tests more thoroughly (again stealing test kits from other countries if need be of course). Compare to my own lazy European country which has pretty much given up on testing the population, so their case rate must be way below the true infection rate, leading to an inflated mortality rate. Anyway, this epidemic has gotten so politicized that I have difficulty trusting official numbers from either the West of Israel.
I won’t bother responding to your lengthy regurgitation of propaganda for idiots, since I can make my point succinctly by responding to this one.
I will, for the sake of argument, “concede” that the “overall hospitalization rate” is 20% of those who have tested positive. But the devil is in that single detail: OF THOSE WHO HAVE TESTED POSITIVE.
As I have noted many times, the death rate is 100% if you only test those who have died. And the hospitalization rate is 100% if you test only those who have been hospitalized.
And in general, they test only those who have been hospitalized. Some countries go further, and try to track down contacts of those hospitalized and test them, and their hospitalization rates are vastly lower.
For the flu rates, they are not based on testing at all. I.e. the number is not the number of proven (by test) flu cases divided by number of hospitalizations, but presumed flu infections in the population divided by number of hospitalizations. In fact they rarely test for flu, if at all (I’ve never been tested, that’s for sure, even though I’ve had the flu often), so if they used the COVID-19 method for establishing “hospitalization rates”, it would actually be quite near 100%.
But if you have an unscientific brain easily taken in by propaganda for idiots, but think you are the smartest person in the world, well, your post shows what happens.
Within Dhamma, life is defined as all of this experience, including the innanimte.
Life is access to choice, within some degree of freedom, so for the consistency, here is a paper that demonstrates within QM, https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1367-2630/17/8/083023..
To delineate life, you must define accurately what not life is. Not life is not anything below a cell, or a virus, its not rocks as per the above paper – it is nibbana.
Life is impermanent, unsatisfactory, and not-self.
Nibbana is not-impermanent, not-unsatisfactory, and not-self.
Nibbana is not one, it is not many, it is not both, it is not neither..
Here the East differs from the West. Whilst Genesis 3 has Word, “And God said ‘Let there be light’”, at the instance of creation, the Tao Te Ching starts with ‘Tao called Tao is not Tao. Names can name no lasting name. Nameless: the origin of Heaven and Earth. Naming: the mother of ten thousand things’ (this is a native Chinese, slightly reified Buddhism imo – very Mahayana but separate and much before its time!)
A follower of Dhamma (Law) would not think of themselves as superior, because they recognise the limit of words, and the exceptionaly dangerous inacuracy of ‘I’. An Arahat would never declare ‘I am enlightened’ – because the whole point of the path is to stamp out the error of ‘I’. https://suttacentral.net/mn1/en/bodhi
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/mn/mn.022.nypo.html
To what do you ascribe superiority, nibbana and the Arahat are ‘no thing’!
Before that peak though, if still invoking things, yes we do see our Law as more accurate, and more beneficial to ourselves and others.. Same way as general relativity is more accurate in describing motion than Newtonian mechanics, but both have their uses, since the Newtonian version is so much simpler and hence so much more useful for practical engineering.
But this is because the law is not ideology, it is just practice – a cold Newtonian law of action:
This is the short form of the chapter that explains the Noble Eightfold Path https://suttacentral.net/mn117/en/bodhi, which sets out a practice empty of ideology, and there is no elasticity with respect to what the superiority of Dhamma is:
“The Dhamma is well-expounded by the Blessed One, to be seen here & now, timeless, inviting verification, pertinent, to be realized by the wise for themselves.”
This is a superiority that is in line with the superiority that the scientific method crowns itself with – in that it is a path that is only practical and directly verifiable to be in line with experience (or not).
It does not stray from the Copernican principle, and gives a Buddhist no eyes substantially different from non-Buddhists. This is specifically rejected as essence/substance/self is rejected as just being part of the thicket of views (and look at Western philosophy since the Greeks – 2500 years spinning circles between reificationism and nihilism, what a thicket, especially since ‘existence -> essence’ is just a transpose of ‘¬essence -> ¬existence’!!)
So like I said initially, any superiority – to be more than a mere exhilation of sound that aligns with no observable thing – must be directly verifiable, in the here and now. But exactly this is impossible for Jewish chosenness, because it back stops itself from any debate/criticism by placing its raison d’etre within the sphere of the metaphysical – that which is axiomatically defined as beyond direct observation!
And it is exactly here where the burden on Jewish being is placed. There is no need for practice within this ideology. To what I’ve read, a Jewish soul who breaks the Noachide laws is not delineated as different, unlike in the case for Gentiles.
What use is practice, consideration of action, where superiority is granted from up high, from beyond appeal and criticism?
A Dhamma follower who lies and kills life can be pointed to by another Dhamma follower and be told ‘your path is inferior – you lie and kill’. There is explicative power from their actions.
A follower of Judaism who lies and murders, makes idols, can’t be pointed to by another follower of Judaism and be told ‘your path is inferior, you make idols, you are not chosen’. Because the decision of who is and is not chosen is made within the realm of the metaphysical. There is no explicative power to this choseness – a murderer is here made equal to a sage.
The eternal victims and their endlessly recycled crap is probably the best description of this Fran character and her ilk..
I’m not sure I fully understand you. I wanted to point out that the concept of being Chosen is by no means different than the belief of every spiritual path that it is best.
A Buddhist who sees the truth of no-self has an insight that others don’t have – to that extent, he is superior. He sees Reality – others don’t.
He may not go around ‘claiming’ he is superior – but his advocacy of the state of seeing into Reality makes clear he sees it as a superior state.
Indeed, if Buddhism did not regard itself as implicitly superior, it would not exist. There would be no need.
As to your second point, that a claim of superiority must be immediately cognizable (have I understood you correctly?).
This is surely not the case, or a Buddhist would become instantly enlightened without years of practice. In truth, he must have faith in an end result he cannot see – Nirvana. And faith is indeed extolled in Buddhist writings.
As for your claim that being Chosen nullifies the need for practice, this is extremely incorrect, and really, makes no sense. Moral instruction and exhortation to good behavior are a cornerstone of Judaism, like all religions.
A Jew’s reward in the afterlife is incentive to act well.
We are in a better position now to see what Chosenness means – on its simplest level, it means one is born onto the best spiritual path. Much like someone born into Buddhism, Christianity, or Islam, if he accept a his religion, will think the same.
You say that being Chosen leaves one with no motivation to do good – on the contrary, it creates immense pressure to “live up” to ones inheritance. There are different kinds of motivation – telling someone he comes from a distinguished lineage and he must now live up to their standards or shame himself is a powerful motivator. But more on this motivational thing in a moment.
On the second level, it is a responsibility and a burden – one has been chosen by God to work for the rectification of the world and the spiritual elevation of mankind. One may see it as a family that has served the King for generations – each son is born into this responsibility, and his pride in his ancestors and lineage makes him take it seriously and carry on the tradition faithfully.
So it is a device for ensuring loyalty to a spiritual cause – you have been born into a family whose job it is to serve the King, your ancestors have done this before you, now it’s your turn. As a spiritual device, this is fairly powerful as an emotional motivator.
Finally, Chosenness gives one a bedrock feeling of existential security under all circumstances – sort of like a mother who offers unconditional love. This is similar to the Christian notion of being ‘saved’, or the feeling a Buddhist may have upon joining the Sangha.
One may be a bad Jew, Christian, or Buddhist, but one is on some level still loved, still on the right path – this feeling of basic security is considered by psychologists as extremely important. Far from nullifying effort, it prevents any total collapse into self-hate or despair at ones worthlessness – which kills motivation to do good as nothing else can.
‘Don’t you understand that the whole Torah is about stealing land’.
What part of Moses/Gods ‘Thou shall not steal’ or ‘thou shall not covet’ IN THE TORAH don’t you understand???LOL.
Hilarious and from your spiteful words I guess that you must be one of those pitiful Jew haters that are so lost in the dream with so much to learn and unlearn and believe me I could teach you a thing or two about what a sleeple like you regards as life..
Why don’t the commandments given to Moses by God say to ‘not steal from Israelites/Jews’ but can for the mixed multitude below Sinai?Doh!..coz it was for everyone!
Very unlikely everything in the Bible is factual anyway and if you believe in prayer then we would be Covid free by now.
My point is that if you define superior or inferior, for the words to have any meaning, they must be based on observable, verifiable, characteristics.
A Dhamma follower intentionally kills. So another can point to him and say, ‘you killed, in this respect, you are not superior, not a follower of Dhamma. You lack right intention and right action, at the very least.’
If I claim to follow Dhamma, but break all the factors of the path in practice, any other can point to me and simply say, sorry, according to the teachings you do not follow Dhamma, regardless of your claim. And they would be correct. Because the superiority of a Dhamma follower is solely down to their observable and verifiable practice.
A follower of Judaism kills, another can’t point to him and say ‘you are not chosen’ – because choseness has nothing to do with practice. It has all to do with a promise made by an entity beyond critique and understanding.
Choseness then, as a metaphysical gift, while it may entice loyalty to an ideology that preaches it, has no positive impact on individual practice. It only gives a failing practitioner a get out clause to claim they are still within the faith/on the path, when they are actually not.
Who would submit to such ‘egalitarianism’ – the sage, or the murderer? The sage gets no benefit from being called chosen, he practices the straight path anyways. But within such a belief system, he gets lumped in with the murderer, who regardless of his practice, is placed on the same level as the sage. Why would the sage remain within such a faith? Is this not keeping bad company?
The Buddha’s last words:
No ideological security is granted. Only practice will get you anywhere.
If I wasn’t the fill in the blank victim the case you would be out of a job. I provide the proof for your fodder. What could be better. I am not a real victim I am an internet cartoon character a non reality, a ghost. A fill in for the punch line. You need victims for your story, if I was not a victim you would invent one. This NPleeze is another cartoon character, could be a psycho living in a trailer somewhere, or just a crazy person. You don’t really know who these people are. You know who I am, a ubiquitous universal object like a rock. Thats the thing about the internet that brews this stuff. “if you say you are not superior and renounce your Judaism, you can marry a non Jew and that will be okay.” What do you call a person that writes something like that ? A clown? a duffus? someone who is intellectually challenged? A misanthrope? Who really knows. That’s who you are stuck with.
Such a spiteful mind and so lost in the dream where pitiful Jew haters like you are absolutely clueless about ‘life’ and how with their hate they become exactly what they hate.
You can choose to believe all you read from thousands of years ago if you like but I shall stick with teachings on love from God ‘for everyone’ because non-dualistically speaking that is ‘all there is’ and I know truth when I see it.
If any God was ‘really’ helping evil Jews then why hasn’t that God won it for Jews after 6000 years???(non Israeli/yinon expansion and U.S hegemon in decline etc)(and you call me a ninconpoop.LOL!!).Infact evil is soon to be defeated and the meek shall inherit the earth but I wouldn’t expect a very lost sleeple like you to begin to grasp what is about to go down.
But….remember part of my name and you may remember.
Is this written in english? Come back when you can write a coherent sentence and can string two coherent thoughts together.
But wait I thought I was superior, sounds like I missed the superior stop and got on the inferior train. Oh well.
And your piece de resistance. Please don’t explain this any further I am not sure I want to know what Black/Nobility/Blue Bloods means? Yikes sounds dreadful.
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Jews did gas themselves, poison their own children and leap to their little jew deaths from roofs and out of hotel windows though—unlike the courageous Palestinian suicide bombers who didn’t die in vain:
Don’t worry though, jew witch, the Palestinians have managed to acquire some heavy duty weaponry since the last intifada, so the only thing they will “blow…up” in the next intifada will be the heads of your rabid jew pets. 🙂
Also of note is that Hezbollah now has precision guided missiles, with pinpoint accuracy that can reach any part of jew occupied Palestine. the rest is just hasbara. 🙂
Fear is an effective control mechanism. Much as I despise Judaism (for its evil god and fundamentally supremacist ideology) I feel sorry for most Jews, as their rulers inculcate this sense of victimhood in them (which at least in many Jews is quite genuine), which makes them essentially neurotic and miserable. The reason they do it is that this fear creates a common bond and loyalty to the group (tribe), similar to how soldiers in arms are brainwashed to create unity (the “enemy” is out to kill you, you have only each other, blah, blah), which the rulers then exploit to advance their own agenda.
End of the day the Jewish rulers care no more for the peasant Jews than the Blue Bloods/Black Nobility care for the peasant Europeans. But unlike peasant Europeans, the peasant Jews take virtually any criticism of their rulers as a personal attack upon themselves. Fran appears to be one of these deluded peasants.
Related is the word anti-Semitism. I am anti-supremacist, but in the Jew worldview, that makes me anti-Semitic, since Judaism is inherently supremacist. Like any successful propaganda tool, it’s a brilliant strategy, as somehow anti-Semitism – the hate of an insidious supremacist ideology, to which a Jew voluntarily adheres, and which compels the domination of non-Jews generally and me in particular – is conflated with racism – the hate of someone for their immutable DNA. Antisemitism is, in reality, akin to anti-Nazism or anti-White supremacism – which, of course, are views the Jewish media holds in reverence.
The fact that the mass media plays along with this absurdity is ipso facto proof that the Jewish rulers control the mass media, as if there weren’t enough independent evidence.
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Nah, it says you are an illiterate and innumerate jew sack of shit, jew witch, one who can’t spell, or add and subtract. By far the biggest moron on this site, with your Muslims this and your Jihadists that. Go fuck yourself with a chainsaw, you fucking goy hater. Hell is where your daddy lives.
Hating Jews is the same as hating Satan. Jews aspire to exploit goyim and then destroy them. You can’t handle it that goyim will spell the the end of your rancid jew regime in jew occupied Palestine. Rocks our world. Jews are a “nation” of cunts.
With spiritual advancement it isn’t at all about one being ‘better’ or ‘superior’ than others but it is about one being ‘more highly evolved than others’.
As someone that is a master of spirit just like Buddha was and that as I am the discover of biological immortality through spirit I can fairly class myself as being ‘ more highly evolved’ than more than 7-8 billion others but Buddha understood just like I do that ‘there is no self'(Anatta in Buddhism)and therefore there is no self to feel superior or better than others about and of course again non-dualistically speaking there isn’t even a ‘myself’ to be ‘more highly evolved than others’ either but this is just an explanation.
There is no separation(fact!) and all the lost haters in the dream deservedly become what they hate(a hater), which is the antithesis of the true nature of things and thus un-godly.
And Japan is explained by wasabi, Korea by kimchi and Taiwan by reverence for Madame Chiang Kai-shek.
Examples of the idea of being Chosen in other religions, the idea that we have a basic existential security we did nothing to earn, but was given to us freely from on high –
The Christian notion that Jesus died for our sins, and we are saved. We did nothing to deserve this. It was a pure Grace. This is the Good News – the Gospel. We are free now even though we did nothing to earn it.
The Buddhist notion that our true nature is Buddha nature – we have only to awaken to this fact. We were born this way – essentially perfect, and have only to realize it. Spiritual practice is awakening to this reality.
The Taoist notion that the Tao pervades everything – even piss and shit (Chuang Tzu). We were born perfect, and anything we do merely interferes with our essential perfection. So the wisest course is wu wei – resting in non-action, not interfering, not forcing anything, because what is “given” – what we did nothing to earn – is perfect.
The Zen notion that trying to accord with the Way merely pushes you further away from it – that all effort to accord with the Way pushes you further from what you always already had.
Pure Land Buddhism – all one must do is accept Amida, and one is born in the Pure Land. Nothing else. Good and evil deeds are irrelevant – one is good or bad according to ones karma, which dictates ones inner disposition, but Amida will save you if you have faith in him. Nothing you do could earn it.
It’s worth mentioning that in Buddhism this theme of being Chosen – of being born into a perfection one did nothing to earn and having only to realize – is developed very extensively in all the various schools and may be considered the essence of the Dharma.
Indeed, it flows from core Buddhist principles – if one earns salvation by ones own efforts, this creates spiritual pride (indeed, in Jewish daily prayers, we confess that we are weak sinners, and ask God to deal kindly with us out of his mercy. We explicitly deny our own efforts earned us anything. These are powerfully humbling prayers).
Second, the Buddhist doctrine of Emptiness means nothing exists on its own – everything is related to everything else in a seamless whole. The idea that things exist on their own is an illusion. Therefore, there is nothing to be gained and nothing to be lost by the individual – he is already the whole and his sense of individual existence is an illusion. No amount of good deeds or bad deeds can gain him anything or lose him anything. As a result of this grasp of Reality he is compassionate and unselfish.
In Buddhism, generosity and compassion result from this insight – one does not gain anything from good deeds, and one has no incentive of future reward.
In Judaism, there are incentives of future reward on one level (as there is in Buddhism on the popular level) – but it is constantly emphasized to us that the highest level is to do good out of “love of God”. Out of gratitude and love – not desire for reward or fear of punishment.
In Jewish language, this is a restatement of the Buddhist principle that if we correctly grasp our relationship to Reality, the Source of All Being, we will naturally be kind and compassionate.
My point in all this Ilya is to demonstrate that one should not be too hasty in judging other religions – often, similar ideas are expressed using an unfamiliar idiom that at first glance may seem very off putting to sensibilities steeped in a different language.
What about cats? A relative’s cat is mean to the core. He literally attacks people. I wonder if hemp would help him? Hmmmmm
What is Love but no-thing and all that there is outside of the dream made up of lovers and haters.
I’m interested in them. It’s one area of religious studies I know basically nothing about. I did watch the netflix “Unorthodox”. I just happened on that series one day. I wanted just a peak at what it was about, but ended up watching all of it. Very captivating movie depicting Hasidic life. Although, I could have done without the infused homosexuality that is typically installed into most movies these days.
The ignore function – sicut judaeis non – doesn’t protect me from mouse over displays of your constant crap stream.
oh, the grammatical object-subject shuffle?
Jews, you are NOT intelligent.
Why do you still even try to convince people of this?
Since I assume you are so far up your own asses out of angst of missing one of your own farts, here some help and some helpful advice.
http://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/04/the-myth-of-jewish-intelligence.html
Try getting a European to explain it to you.
In person, that works better with kids and childlike/femoid races.
come on gilad.even miles Davis blows a better tune
https://www.sciencealert.com/deadly-viruses-always-seem-to-start-off-with-bats-here-s-why-they-re-patient-zero/amp
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-chinas-bat-woman-hunted-down-viruses-from-sars-to-the-new-coronavirus1/
the Chinese are chasing the holy grail of super immunity.viruses are the building blocks of life.come come my friend leave the emotions on the bimah.
sorry buddy but religious Jews do not cook milk and meat together.not kosher.
“oppressive Parisian chic”
Please don’t bring France into this.
Just sayin’ …
As of 4 April, Australia, which has not gone into lockdown, has a a fatality rate of 30 from 5,552 infectious cases – a rate of 0.0054, comparable to that of the zionist entity.
Those Rabbis are correct, God does heal the Corona Virus. If you have faith in the healing power of God, you may get sick, but ultimately you will be healed. And this truth not only applies to Jews, but it applies to Christians, Hindus, and Muslims. The Gospel has the most developed doctrine on the healing power of God.
… and as of 4 April, with 33,116 tested in New Zealand, the country has a total of 950 cases (824 confirmed and 126 probable cases where a probable case is the patient tests negative for COVID-19 but retains symptoms of the virus) with one (1) fatality, yielding a rate of 0.0012 on the number of *confirmed cases.
Source: https://covid19.govt.nz
So clearly the point is, SARS-CoV2 is not “just for Goyim”.
Nobody is buying it anymore Aaron. Your ‘religion’ is uncut evil. Full stop. It amounts to a massive, multi-generational conspiracy against the rest of humanity. You can’t tap dance your way out of reality. You have the choice to walk away. You are in a difficult position, so you have my sympathy, but your religion is not something the rest of the world will be able to live with.
Your main point is -needless to say- spot on.
Let me give the latest figures for Iceland. We have 1400 ‘cases’ 45 hospitalized and 12 in ICU. 4 dead.
But as of last night we finally have random testing showing ~0.5% of the population testing positive for the virus. But this test is only for those who are not in quarantine due to contact tracing. (we have been doing contact tracing aggressively since the first case appeared, and wide net is cast around each infected and put into quarantine)
Each day more ‘cases’ appear from the group in quarantine than come from the rest of the population. 55% as of today. It seems reasonable to assume as many are carrying the virus in both groups.
So it seems we might have ~ 1750 people in each group who are off the books or 3500 people.
But if we look at progression of ‘cases’ as of today 23% of them are cured, meaning they don’t have detectable virus RNA in their nose. The same must apply for the group that never made the list of ‘cases’. Actually it’s likely this is underestimate for reasons I won’t go into here.
So let’s just add 20% to the ‘off the books’ group and get 4200 people. With the number of ‘cases’ ,1400, we get grand total of 5600 people who might have gotten the virus from the beginning in Iceland. So our ‘case’ number does not reflect the actual number of overall infections. Even if it looks like we have the world record in contact tracing and number of tests per capita. Roughly 5 times higher than South Korea last I checked.
If we assume ALL the people currently in ICU die we are looking at IFR fatality rate of ~0.3%
And it seems reasonable that less than 2% of those who get the virus will need hospitalization.
The numbers from Israel seem to support this picture.
What total bullshit. Typical Frannie lies.
Jews are, and have been leeches and thieves, for millenia. They are a negative factor to all others in the world, always have been, always will be.
This is straight upside down. As I quoted in the other reply:
Sure – but one is already chosen by God, so incentive or not, a murder can murder and remain within the group. This is keeping bad friends, which is advised against within Dhamma.
Here I agree, but as I explained in the last two posts – the difference between Dhamma (and scientific) practice is that any superiority must be verifiable, directly by the practitioner, and in Judaism, Christianity, Buddhism, it is not verifiable.
You point to Christian and Mahayana examples of other unverifiable superiorities (Christ dies to save our souls – unverifiable entities, the Buddha nature is just a sly and unverifiable Absolute, the heavens meditators see are stated in the Milanda Panha as just being mind made – not a real verifiable place!).
Other unverifiable superiorities included the Nazi faith in German superiority, Anlgo-Christian unverifiable faith in their superiority over the Native Indians, Indo-Aryan superiority over the native Indian culture, and subsequent cast/slavery system, and on and on..
So yes, I agree with being careful in not finding difference when there is none, but as I explain again – Jewish chosenness is unverifiable and unfalsifiable, from the get go. This is different from a superiority determined by one’s direct and visible practice.
And that is the root of the problem. Because a chosen one who makes idols, spits on God, murders, steals, breaks every commandment – is still chosen. There may be some other part of the faith that downgrades him, but with respect to chosenness, nothing will change. It will only excuse the actions of the one that breaks Jewish Law, and make them less diligent in further practice.
Unless you can point me to a teaching that states categorically otherwise – that a Jew who breaks the Law is no longer a Jew.
It is amazing how even senior “analysts” make such a basic error.
The fatality rate should be calculated against the number of people who have recovered, at least this is what is meaningful. The currently infected people are still awaiting their binary health result… Recovered or Death. Get it?
With that in mind, the current data for IsraHell is;
Recovered: 427
Deaths: 44
Fatality Rate: 44 / (427 + 44) = 9%
Germany is better off;
Recovered: 24,575
Deaths: 1,295
Fatality Rate: 1,295 / (24,575 + 1,295) = 5%
AmeriKKKa;
Recovered: 9,920
Deaths: 7,163
Fatality Rate: 7,163 / (9,920 + 7,163) = 42%
China;
Recovered: 76,942
Deaths: 3,330
Fatality Rate: 3,330 / (76,942 + 3,330) = 4%
Italy;
Recovered: 19,758
Deaths: 14,681
Fatality Rate: 14,681 / (19,758 + 14,681) = 43%
World as a whole;
Recovered: 233,930
Deaths: 60,887
Fatality Rate: 60,887 / (233,930 + 60,887) = 20%
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Probably the lowest around? Not quite.
As Fran is a self confessed vegan does that mean s/he is a negative factor for ‘other’ animals in the world like the majority of non Jews are???.
How is your animal food consumption in this age of Covid-19 where Cholesterol clogged bloodstreams of humans in Dairy food loving and bovine mass murdering U.S.A that just broke the world record with around 1400 deaths in 24 hours??.
Credit to you Fran!….I am vegan too and I bet more than a few of the Jew haters here are about as nasty with their diets as they are with their hateful minds.
How do you Know that Fran is a leech on society or a thief?Such wild assumptions speaks of pure hatred.
If you hate Jews like so many seem to do here then you are basically the same as those that you hate(haters of humanity) and Fran is correct that if you hate Jews then you hate God because all is one without separation.
Fran, you don’t get it. In the case of you juden, the pestilence is you, the collective, You. Before the world had to deal with this pestilence, it had the collective, You, with your murderous scheming.
Luminous? Lol! Those locks, those freaks!
Ah, I see. Thanks for clarifying.
I hope I have shown how being chosen does not mean one ‘is’ superior in your sense – it merely means 1) One is in the folds of the spiritual tradition that is most efficacious 2) This gives one a baseline status that bad deeds do not nullify.
And this is the claim of all religions –
Just as a badly behaving Buddhist does not alter the fact that he has the advantage of Buddhism, and in essence he has Buddha nature, a badly behaving Jew does not alter the fact that he has the advantage of possessing his spiritual tradition. (Up to a point. Some crimes do get you spiritually cut off).
Correct. Just as a Buddhist who murders does not alter his essential underlying “Buddha nature”, and the Christian who murders is not un-Saved.
In all cases, the murderer suffers punishment and shame, and must repent, but he does not lose the baseline status granted him by his tradition.
You think this is bad. Maybe – but it is characteristic of all religions.
That does not follow. Practice in Buddhism means ‘awakening’ to ones true Buddha nature. But one is told from the beginning that one has Buddha-nature, and one must take that on faith. One is already Chosen, one is already saved, and must only discover this. They are at great pains to tell you enlightenment does not mean you have gained anything – only realised what you always had.
In the Hinayana tradition, practice means killing one’s desires, which results in Nirvana. But one must take this on faith – one has not personally verified Nirvana. One is supposed to “take refuge” in the Three Jewels in the meantime – this gives one a level of existential security while one strives, and a murdering Buddhist knows that he has the option to return to the Path. He may be a bad Buddhist for now, but he is never cut off from the Path.
I am sorry, I was referring to Mahayana Buddhism, the religion of East Asia, and Vietnam, as well as the Vajrayana of Tibet. I have studied these the most.
Theravada is a bit different in style and languafe, but also has a similar underlying structure. Karma – the idea that you are “born” with the merit to embrace Buddhism and the ability to practice. You are born chosen to some extent. And prior to practice – you take refuge in Buddhism.
Certainly, this is true and does not contradict my point. An Awakened and Realized being is distinguished by action that is selfless and compassionate.
And do you think Judaism makes no distinction between the righteous and the unrightous? You must surely know that is untrue.
A murderer in Judaism is supposed to be put to death, not remain a member of the group in good standing lol.
However, he does remain a Jew – just as a Buddhist who murders remains a Buddhist and can repent and return to the Path. A Christian who murders remains a Christian.
You seem to think the concept of Chosen means one can act as one wishes and there are no co sequences to bad action. More accurately, it means one has been chosen to act with special goodness. It is a burden, a charge, not a carte blanche to act as one wishes.
Seeing as Judaism make such a big deal of acting righteously, has saints and holy men, and punishments and rewards, you appear to be making a very basic mistake as to the meaning of being Chosen.
This is incorrect – have you personally verified Nirvana? Have East Asian Buddhists personally verified their inner Buddha-nature?
As for science – science takes on faith the law of cause and effect. It cannot be verified. Godels Incompleteness Theorem has demonstrated that every system must contain unproven assumptions that it takes on faith. There is more to be said on science – but we are talking here mostly of religion.
Because it is apples and oranges.
There is the superiority that comes from good deeds. Judaism makes much of this kind of superiority as well.
Then there is the superiority of having access to the most efficacious spiritual tradition. It seems to me you are making rather much of this your self, and one might say you see yourself as chosen 🙂
Sure, bad deeds do not alter the fact that one has access to the most efficacious spiritual tradition. Bad deeds do not alter the fact that one has been chosen to fulfill a special mission.
One may fail at this, but one still is considered to have the duty and obligation.
There are actually crimes that get you the punishment of being “spiritually cut off” from the Jewish community. You are no longer considered Jewish.
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In the end, Ilya, I am not trying to convert you to Judaism – I am merely demonstrating that these concepts do not have to have the negative spin you are putting on them, and are structurally similar to concepts found in every religion.
Where do the cows get their mucus source?
Christians take the commandment “Thou shalt love thy neighbor[fellow] as thyself to mean that you are to love everyone. On the other hand, the great Maimonides explains that the commandment “Thou shalt love thy neighbor[fellow] as thyself” means you are to love your fellow Jews. If Maimonides, one of Judaism’s most revered sages, implies that “neighbor” excludes non-Jews in the great commandment, one can easily construe that the definition of “neighbor” in the ten commandments, for Jews, also excludes or, at best, does not include non-Jews.
(What is it they say of the Rambam? From Moses to Moses, there was no one like Moses?)
‘Its the old classic line, “what, you think you’re better than me”?! Yes, I do! And I call on you to become better. It is a challenge.
The existence of Jews is a challenge to the world. And many do not want that…’
This is one of the usual variations on Aaron’s schtick. It all boils down to repackaging Jewish chauvinism so it somehow becomes more attractive.
The thing is, it simply doesn’t bear any relation to any reality I experience.
I admittedly want to become better in various ways…but none of them involve imitating Jewish behavior.
Why should they? I find Western, gentile, Christian culture and history furnishes all the challenging examples — and cautionary tales — I need. I no more feel the need to turn to Jewry for ‘a challenge’ than I look to Buddhist monks in Thailand to lead me forward.
It’s quite possible Aaron finds some sort of spiritual challenge in Judaism — although I’m skeptical that Aaron’s actually that kind of guy.
But I don’t. I’m not Jewish. They don’t threaten me in some obscure way. They’re simply irrelevant. It’s a tiny sect making up about 0.2% of humanity, some of whom still practice the degenerate fragments of a religion that had its apogee — such as it was — about eighteen hundred years ago.
Nu? There’s nothing much there. What Jews have been significant — Spinoza, Einstein, whoever — have done so because they participated in the larger, Christian culture, not because they stayed in the shetl whirling chickens above their heads.
But the Torah talks about quarantining – so I don’t get why these ultra orthodox are against it…. Sadly as far as Christians there are some arrogant evangelicals who still held mass gatherings (of course to collect offerings). One big one was arrested in Florida and fined. As someone had to remind him “love your neighbor as yourself” means not putting them in danger of catching a deadly virus.
Ironically Bill Gates Foundation sponsored Event 201 which took place in NY in October 2019. The event was to model a coronavirus outbreak… Almost everything said at that event has come to pass… Strange – huh?
Which wasn’t really Spanish either since most scholars believed it started in Kansas and was taken to Europe by soldiers. It always amazes me how scientists use existential evidence 100 years later to try to make a conclusion.
‘… i am no jew but I just cant see how all jews can be be evil Zionists scum and evidently they are not.’
…Only about eighty percent of Jews are Zionists.
I suppose after Israel is destroyed, we will have to identify ‘the good Jews’ just as there were ‘good Germans’ after Nazism was defeated.
Perhaps we’ll have ‘de-Zionification Boards.’ I suppose I could do my bit and sit in.
Show up for Aaron’s hearing, anyway.
…this is fun! Thirty years from now we can still be conducting witch hunts. Find a drooling, ninety six year old Fran and strip her of her citizenship. Deport her to New Jersey.
Sure, if you want to wait that long … BUT, see my post above.
We know with pretty good certainty how many people have died, but have no idea at all how many people have recovered – because we have no idea how many people have been infected, with the exceptions of:
* The Diamond Princess, which was an isolated population in which every person was exposed and tested. Of a population size of 3,711, about 700 (18%) became infected and 9, all above 70 on this aged cruise (about 0.28%) died (everyone else recovered or was able to defeat the virus before it became measurable, which I call the “immune”).
* possibly Ireland as per a post above, via randomized testing, though they don’t count the immune.
Garbage in, garbage out.
Again: if you only test the dead for the virus, the virus will have a 100% death rate; and if you test only the hospitalized, the virus will have a 100% hospitalization rate. The only way to know the true rates is to (a) test EVERYONE, or, more realistically in most cases (i.e., other than those in confined quarters), at least a sufficiently large randomly selected sample, and (b) testing for immunity, not using the grossly unreliable RNA test they are using (i.e., by incubating the virus in each test subject’s body fluids in a petri dish and determining if the virus is annihilated or multiplies) as those who have recovered will not show the viral load for obvious reasons (alternatively one can test for anti-bodies but that is also under-inclusive since some immune systems can defeat the virus before specific anti-bodies are produced).
NOBODY is doing that, and IMO it is a deliberate policy choice since this data is (a) not very hard to get, and (b) essential in planning a proper response to the virus. But, of course, it is undesirable if you are planning a grossly disproportionate, hysterical response to it – in that case, you want to test only the very sick (like USA), so you have very high hospitalization and death rates).
P.S. Another good case for “full population” studies is the USS Theodore Roosevelt – my guess is nobody will die from that ship, so of course this data will go largely unreported, they just report the outbreak to stoke hysteria mode.
After 9 11, Wesley Clark heard about the Pentagon plan to topple seven nations. Where did this concept come from? why seven? The Torah, oh course. That is how Israel started in Zion BC times according to the Torah. Why is our free Zion western press silent about this mania for Torah and Tanakh concepts for war?
https://www.mintpressnews.com/the-u-s-plan-to-topple-all-7-countries-on-trumps-refugee-ban-list/224475/
https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/if-only-it-werent-so-violent/
This Torah concept is still valid according to many Jews. Commandments from the Torah or Tahakh can be “noheg l’doros”, that is for all generations. Thus, we have Wesley Clark talking about seven nations to destroy in our time. This is against the founding concept of the US ,which is separation of church, in this case, synagogue and state.
As Judaism is an ideology, by that token, I can make the following claim:
So that’s all well and good, if we are not allowed to hate evil ideologies, because God created them.
But, ironically, in this view, Jews are by far the world’s greatest haters – there is no end to the number of ideologies Jews hate – be it Christianity, Nazism, White supremacism, racism, etc. And, indeed, is is the Jew hatred for anything non-Jewish (as well as many things Jewish – the hatred goes pretty wide and deep) that is the cause, itself, of the “hatred of Jews”, as you put it (because, of course, it’s a much better spin than to admit that it is the evil, pernicious, destructive ideology of Judaism that people hate).
And there is one more twist: this vicious hatred by Jews of non-Jews (e.g. 20 Deut. 10-18, but it’s pervasive) has its foundation in the Torah and Talmud, which, according to Jews anyway (and most Christians, who are actually not Christians but of the Synagogue of Satan), is the word of Yahweh, the demon that Jews worship. So Yahweh made and commanded hate (and genocide and slavery and pillaging and endless other crimes against humanity). So how can hate be against Yahweh, as you claim? Oh, yes, now we have it: Jews are Supreme, and it is fine for Jews to hate others, even noble, but how dare anyone hate the Jews back! More Jew supremacism clap-track from another Jew supremacist.
Oh that is too too bad. I remember you harassing me with question after question about nose jobs.
I answered you but it was censored for vile language. Let me paraphrase with milder language. It went something like blow your nose into a handkerchief, suck it up and blow it out somewheres else. That is the definition of a nose job and I am sure you can imagine where the somewheres else it. So fuck off you Jew hating POS.
Jew Jew
Yup – and the mainstream media pretends as if that event never happened. It’s no conspiracy theory that it actually happened. So why don’t they want to talk about it??? Is it they just don’t want to highlight the incompetence of the government – or something more nefarious?
‘After Israel is destroyed’..
This is about as likely as a hot war on Iran and that wont be happening.
Christine, perhaps you could address Fran’s previous comments on this site where she has commended the shooting of unarmed Palestinians at the border fence of Gaza by Israeli “soldiers” and how that squares with her highly evolved veganism?
How does one rate Fran’s actual evolutionary level when she rates Palestinian people to be lower life forms than animals?
I forgot to add the url for noheg l’doros, for all generations, commandments from the Torah or Tanakh than can be endlessly recylced for wars for the US empire.
Here it is:
https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/961561/jewish/Positive-Commandment-187.htm
A Martin Luther doll, had the words ” the End” on a Old Testament book. This caused a huge controversy. The Torah/Tanakh is not supposed to be “ended”. It is noheg l’doros for the US empire’s synagogue and state war policies..
https://www.christiancentury.org/article/how-toy-figure-luther-sparked-charges-anti-semitism
It’s strange, but at the same time it was very expected. I like listening to James Corbett (Corbett Report). He’s a big-picture thinker and for 13 years now he’s been laying out their goals/plans. He did recently say that he was surprised how fast this is going and thought it would be done incrementally over time instead of all at once.
It still could be done on an incremental basis because this is just starting. They may decide to gives us all a break in a couple months and then re-start it…. People like Gates have openly been saying it may be a virus that comes back more than once. (how convenient for them!).
All of the worlds religions started from divine teachings from outside of this dimension from the ancients use of plant teacher entheogens(Greek translation is ‘god’ and ‘within’ where there is no animal ‘mind’ to even create an ‘idea’ or ‘ideology’ and that is why spirit teaching(apart from meditation) is from visions and never with words or speech as those can only come from the illusory human mind and so what you say is incorrect as a divine teaching of the true nature of things can never be an idea or theory.
Any one who has a very basic understanding of Entheogens knows about the infamous and terrifying to a beginner ‘ego death’ and ego is the mind and that is the point as we are here to learn how to be free from the illusory self ,which is ego/mind and actually ego death is just awakening to spirit because it is without mind on a meditative level
I know there are far too many evil Jews(and non Jews) but they cant all be and anyway nature doesn’t miss a trick and so its their Karmic lookout and they should just be pitied for their immaturity rather than hated but i do get where you are coming from but everything will work out well before long and so no need to stir things up at all.
if that is the case then i take back by comments to Fran immediately!.
This is what a real nose job (official name : “rhinoplasty”) looks like :
Jews always had reason to undergo such an operation, like ancient Jewish historian Flavius Josephus for example :
‘After Israel is destroyed’..
This is about as likely as a hot war on Iran and that wont be happening…’
‘Destroyed’ perhaps gives the wrong impression of my expectations.
It won’t be destroyed so much as it will fade away. Kind of like apartheid South Africa.
…but can we have the ‘Dezionification Boards’ anyway?
‘If Trump has balls, he’ll end the hoax Easter Weekend.’
That’d be political suicide. Trump has to wait until the deaths have visibly crested and are in decline, and it’s started to dawn on everyone that the economy is the problem, not the stupid flu outbreak.
There is such a thing as political leadership. That is, however, distinct from simply ‘having balls.’
I can live with 1 (I have what I think is a mild criticism with respect to the passivity of how you state it, and the direct imposition by a metaphysical entity as it is stated in the scriptures, but this I must digest for a good while I think! 🙂 .. just for now, you later said “one has been chosen to fulfill a special mission.” – this is the latter, not passive imposition), but 2 simply goes against the notion of a spiritual tradition imo.
A spiritual tradition is one for the progress of Man, however defined – away from the animal spirit towards the divine spirit, away from grasping towards cessation of grasping, some other iteration, but always away from some base, undesired, outdated – even unevolved practice of living, to something above and beyond.
So, saying bad deeds do not nullify this base status, is letting the wolf into the hen house. Judaism has excommunication from the Jewish community, but does this excommunication – by human hands – lead the metaphysical to then strike that soul from their list of names? Because for reified faiths, in the end, only the soul matters. So ignoring this impermanent and insignificant shell, what happens to an excommunicated soul within the faith?
Because if there is no change at this level, then at its limit, intentional action (kamma) would not ripen in any result of intentional action (vipaka).
And even if it did, would choseness not be a subtle lifnei iver – to declare to an individual ‘you are within a special congregation’, but later explain that ‘you may be within a special congregation, but regardless of that ‘you’, only your actions determine where you end up’?
And I agree that Judaism – as all non-nihilistic faiths that have survived until now – makes a great strive for religion, improving the individual. But this greatness is found within the part of the scriptures that equate action with a result of action, as you point to. So why add something superfluous?
I see you Aaron, as a faithful, religious (having a drive for the perfection of action), and not ideological (absent a drive to change others) person, who I have faith follows the Law, considers his intention, and acts as much for the benefit to yourself and others, as you can muster.
But faiths don’t just end up with people like you. All levels of humans partake in all faiths, and the question is how a faith deals with both those that are easy to tame, and those that are hard to tame.
Christ said “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.”.. for a generally Jeremy Corbyn type pacifist (not a criticism), just this one line was enough sand to form the dark pearl of tyranny for Christianity (imo), as it arose through the Church fathers etc etc. Maybe they had access to more acceptance of violence within his words in the second century, but still, even now it is enough to turn people towards violence, ‘turn the other cheek’ be damned – he brought a sword after all!!
And the same for choseness: a person who is difficult to tame, who does not submit to agreed on norms of action, who breaks laws of action knowingly, finds refuge with respect to their own imperfections through choseness – because they have a choice to choose the ideology of the efficacy of action within their faith, or the ideology of choseness. And for someone who fails at controlling their intentional action, who does not care for reform (a fool – neither acknowledges an error for an error, nor forgives another after a confession https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/an/an02/an02.021.than.html), if given a cop out of some other way to associate with the group of faithful – will choose that.
But that method of association is not religion, is not spirituality, it is only grasping! What benefit does a faithful follower of the Law – a sheep – gain from having a member within their group, who intentionally disregards the Law – a wolf?
That they have access to the most efficacious spiritual tradition? So what? Everyone who has a google account has that access. It is only their intentional decision to be bound by that Law that brings them within the fold of that society. And it is only their intentional failure to heed the rules of that society that banishes them. At no point is status necessary within this equation – it only adds a secondary element, one that works against the primary one of perfection of action for the faithful!
Christine, you should change your name.
Should perhaps be… KikeJooZhyd Lover.
Are you Christian? Na… bet you are a Joo.
Love Jesus?
Know that the Jews had Jesus arrested and tortured?
Pushed Pilate to Crucify Him?
Know that the Jews hate him to this day?
Know that the evil Frannie agrees with torturing & killing Palestinians?
You ain’t no Christian.
Nosey is a WN asks him how he feels about African Americans or immigrants. He is a hater a bigot, a racist. Every life is precious, no one is better then anyone else.
You have a situation in Gaza where Hamas a Jihadist group is rushing the border of Israel to violently cross the border to enter. They are creating arson fires in the south of Israel, and throwing explosives at soldiers. Israel has told Hamas to stay away from the border. It is up to the IDF to protect it’s citizens like any country would do. Hamas sends children to the border as human shields, the most cynical and diabolical act of cowardice. and put them in harms way deliberately. Israelis are not shooting to kill, they are protecting Israelis from Jihadist trying to infiltrate and harm it’s citizens.
Israeli soldiers area doing everything possible to not harm children, but the situation is chaotic, and children are in harms way and will get hurt.
But it is a horrible and incorrect to say:
Who could think such a horrible thought or accuse anyone of thinking that a Palestinian or any human is a lower life form. Someone who is a hater and wants to spread hate. That is Nosey’s profession spreading and propagating hate. Don’t believe a word he says. He is a racist bigot hater.
Trump shouldn’t worry about political suicide, with the number of forces aligned against him it will be political homicide long before then.
He’s already being blamed for a slow response time (false) while fake news has cast democrats’ early and ongoing failures down the memory hole.
If Trump doesn’t end #coronahoax ASAP, wait until there are riots over food.
Worldwide Deaths from January 1 – March 25, 2020
21,297 – Deaths by Coronavirus
113,034 – Deaths by Seasonal Flu
228,095 – Deaths by Malaria
249,904 – Deaths by Suicide
313,903 – Deaths by Traffic Fatalities
390, 908 – Deaths by HIV/AIDS
1,162,481 – Deaths by Smoking
1.909,804 – Deaths by Cancer
2,382,382 – Deaths by Starvation
We done been hornswoggled.
It is indeed the case, and unambiguously so. Fran has been called out here a great many times by different commenters for her deceptive comments and outright lies, it’s all in her comment history. Fran spends a great deal of her time defending the indefensible here because she is on a mission to squash any criticism of Jews and Israel however justified it may be. She is especially focussed on Gilad Atzmon because of him being born Jewish and thus, in her mind, he is a traitor to his own kind.
The eternal victims and their endlessly recycled crap is probably the best description of this Fran character and her ilk..
In the same breath, they’ll boast that Israel is the indefatigable Goliath who needn’t take any threat from the neighborhood featherweight contenders too seriously — a conundrum wrapped in a riddle swathed in an enigma. It would be great parody were the results not so tragic.
It’s interesting. I’ve taken some time to reflect upon your previous contribution, “Being in The Age of Corona,” which, while certainly not religious per se, reflected a composure and resignation to a strength beyond one’s control that is so often the resultant disposition of one who seeks to arrive at The Truth. How ironic that you evince greater humility and calm in the wake of the world’s maelstrom than many purporting to hold faith …
May you be well, now and always.
Makes me wonder when the Yashiva students went too Crown Heights?
Also, was trying to find demographics on Heinsberg, Germany where there is the highest levels of the Sars/COV disease, but was unsuccessful.
The Jewish Media is not reporting on the demographics of the infected. I would like to know what races were the first infected in the USA early on, and also now.
I would like to know how many of the infected total numbers of California were traveling abroad and brought it back with them. Don’t think this info will ever see light. Good Post
Thank you for underscoring my point for me so clearly. There’s nothing in my comment history to validate your slanderous lies about me but plenty in your own history that validates everything that I said about you, just in case this latest comment is not enough for anyone.
I have stated repeatedly that there are good and bad amongst all people, including Jews.
Thanks to Ron Unz our comment histories are available for anyone to review, except the Anons and I have also stated that Anons are a pain and everyone should have an identifying name or number to level the playing field with regards to having an accessible history on what any individual writes.
Thanks again, Fran and please stay safe. Gilad should probably be paying you (a minuscule amount of course, just what you’re worth) because you only add import to what he writes about.
Fran, you are vulgar and foul, you are a shameless liar, but the most unbearable thing about your character is how you keep treating people, time and again, as if they were stupid dummies ever likely to fall for your propaganda nonsense.
Your persistence in believing in others’ ineptitude is a most striking trait, which well illustrates the gross and deluded Zionist superiority complex discussed all over this thread.
ISRAEL USING A PALESTINIAN BOY AGED 13 AS A HUMAN SHIELD:
There’s nothing in my comment history to validate your slanderous lies about me but plenty in your own history that validates everything that I said about you, just in case this latest comment is not enough for anyone.
It’s the same old Mobius Strip contention. Don’t bother explaining yourself or asking for evidence, because none will ever be forthcoming.
We don’t owe them anything.
Liar. I am here to defend Jews and Israel against White Supremacist like you who blame the failure the non Jewish whites to hold on to power against blacks, hispanic and all non white on the Jews. Why don’t you tell Christine all the minorities and people that you hate. I focus on Gilad because he is at the forefront of casting shade on Judaism, in a specific way that affects me personally. I specialize in a specific form of Jew hatred one that claims that the all Jews and Judaism are preternaturally evil, causing chaos in the world. It stems from medieval Christianity and is propagated by Gilad and others. People like PG and other Jew haters on UR focus on silly things like AIPAC, Jewish power and the Neocons, were PG identifies Jews by their surname if they identify being Jewish or not. Mixed marriage with a Jew name a Jews. It just does not interest me.
Why not be honest about who you are and not focus so much on me. I am pretty straightforward.
Fran is right. Israel is simply lending the Palestinians a helping hand in fielding a one-legged football team to compete in the upcoming Special Olympics:
Thanks IDF! the most moral army in the world.
Silly things? lol. You’re outdoing yourself, Fran… no easy task!
Dear Iris,
As a major contributor Holocaust denial along with Nosey and the rest of you, as well as a proponent of the Mossad did 9/11. You non stop propagation that Jews and Israel are behind every major conspiracy in the world involving death, destruction and chaos, similar to you pen pal Nosey, I wear your both your invectives and Jew hate like a badge of honor.
To hate one group of people so much that you need to wrap all your life’s fears into it, shows how thoroughly irrational you are. Humans are humans. There are bad and good in every group. Deal with humanity. Dehumanizing Jews by objectifying them as evil will only sell here on UR. Fortunately the rest of the world puts you in perspective, by calling you deranged bigots. You will never succeed in achieving anything meaningful with your hatred. Hatred is a vehicle to no where. Does name calling make you feel good? Enjoy your fantasy land here on UR. while Jews all over the world are racing to help people with the Covit virus, as doctors and scientist. Jewish contributions to the fields of science and medicine have helped humanity way more then your hatred.
Closed communities more frequently disobey laws. I don’t mind it when they’re resisting what is proving to be a hoax.
I did look back over your archive. You have really gone after me quite a bit. Saying my dog would take a crap on someone else lawn and I would not clean it up. Lol. You do not like people not seeing it your way, any challenge to your ideas and the axe comes out.
You are a Holocaust denier and a 9/11 conspiracist that believe it was carried out by the Mossad. I did not see any WN bigotry like a lot of your Jew hating compadres like Geo, Oscar, and the other WN and Neo Nazis, I get you all mixed up since you all come at me, with such invective. So I apologize for accusing you of that. It was not correct. But you are a wing nut Jew hater supreme.
Why don’t you simply post the links from my comment history that prove your allegations? Because you can’t and this is just another example of your disgusting lies.
No, it is because by making life difficult for any decent Jew with the courage to speak out against any Jewish criminality you hope to intimidate other Jews from doing so too.
I very much doubt that I would consider you to be pretty but you certainly are straightforward in your blatant and repeated dishonesty. Stay well.
How many times must I tell you, Fran? I love you, but I love the truth more!
“Its the old classic line, “what, you think you’re better than me”?! Yes, I do! And I call on you to become better. It is a challenge.
The existence of Jews is a challenge to the world. And many do not want that.”
This is part of the “Jews have a historic mission to act as the conscience of the Gentile world” BS.
The only real challenge that Jews offer to the rest of the world is how to make them shut up.
You like the truth?
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium.MAGAZINE-42-knees-in-one-day-israeli-snipers-open-up-about-shooting-gaza-protesters-1.8632555
Fran Taubman is truly delusional.
It is frightening to witness.
Nosey duke says
“No, it is because by making life difficult for any decent Jew with the courage to speak out against any Jewish criminality you hope to intimidate other Jews from doing so too.”
And all this because of Israel,right.
So do you do the same to right wing whites who hate blacks and Hispanics?
You are just a common garden variety archie bunker pretending to love sand niggers and chinks and blah blah blah.
Always wipe your own before you tell us too
(((Nose))) y duke.Name me 5 Palestinians in gaga.
No, I don’t like the truth… I love it!
Your comment makes no sense at all, is totally hypocritical and your typing seems like it was done by an angry chimpanzee. Are you Fran’s lover by any chance? Have a banana.
Ah, the volume of free entertainment gifted to us by anonymous accounts without a handle, what would we do without them?
Peace.
‘Fran Taubman is truly delusional.
It is frightening to witness.’
And I imagine in her everyday life she presents as normal.
It’s something to bear in mind. There’re a lot of nut jobs out there.
Definitely agree with this.
A Jew is someone chosen to serve God at a high level – failing to do so results in him becoming distant from God, the source of all bliss, which means suffering, both in this world and the next.
So there is a direct consequence for bad actions. However, that can’t change the fact that he was born into a unique position, or attained that position through conversion.
They are separate things.
You seem to have the misapprehension that being Chosen means that one loses nothing by acting bad – the opposite is the case. One loses more than others by acting bad.
I think your psychology is shaky here –
Loss is as much a motivator as gain – perhaps more so, studies have shown.
If I tell you were born great and your task is to “live up” to your heritage – this is a great motivator to do so. It does not lead to complacency.
You were born a Buddhist from a long line if Buddhists – don’t shame your ancestors!
Secondly, the element you dub “superfluous” is the part that says you are part of a group that possesses the best spiritual path. Every group believes this about itself. It must.
The second issue is the notion of Grace – reward not personally earned. You seem to have a very strong objection to this idea.
Two points are relevant here –
1) You see good actions primarily as done for the sake of reward. There is another perspective – good actions done with no expectation or desire for reward, but out of love, gratitude, or insight into the true nature of reality and one’s position in it. Which is less egotistic?
2) Earning ones salvation through ones own efforts is in essence egotistic and prideful. Another perspective is possible – one humbly asks for God’s mercy, knowing one can never fully deserve it. One does not actually earn salvation – but develops the insight that one always had it.
The Buddha said you should not desire – but isn’t desiring not to desire a desire?
Isn’t desiring Nirvana a desire?
The Buddha said you should have no ego – but doesn’t earning salvation through your efforts build the ego?
You seem very fixated on “achieving” things – I respect that, but I would suggest this has an element of ego and pride in it. It has its place in spiritual economy – but there is another way of looking at things, perhaps superior.
If I see my self as Chosen by God – might this not make me feel secure and loved, so that I no longer feel the sense of inadequacy that drives so much human selfishness? Would not generous and selfless action flow spontaneously from me, if I could genuinely feel that I have nothing to fear, envy, or resent? Might I not do good not out of expectation of reward, but love and gratitude to God?
If I see myself as in my inner nature flawless and complete, might I not lose all fear and feeling of inadequacy, and become spontaneously generous and compassionate?
Can spiritual practice be about “realization” – and not “achievement”?
On one level, a Jew acts good to get a future reward in heaven. On a higher level, he does good out of love of God – without expectation of reward.
This does not mean one dies not practice – but it is not about achievement.
I agree with this. A faith that survives must be multi dimensional. It must speak to people on all levels.
But this means it must have a decent amount of superficial spiritual sediment in it, because the common level is low. Not everyone can be on the rarefied heights. There must be different levels of interpretation.
But it is important that a spiritual community survive, because from within it great saints emerge, and everyone is helped according to his level.
You make a good point. Jesus’s words are obvious in context, and have indeed been misinterpreted by people of ill will.
So too, there have been Jews who misinterpret Chosenness to mean they can do what they want.
These are real dangers. Judaism tries very hard to guard against this.
But I have known Buddhists who were very imperfect people who covered this up with the belief that only a Buddhist can hope to achieve nirvana, which made them superior no matter how badly they acted.
Pride is a perennial temptation – and unfortunately, putting ones faith in ones own actions does not prevent spiritual pride, as we saw. One may even have no love and compassion in ones heart, but act formally correct, and think oneself arrogantly superior to the flawed practitioner who is genuinely compassionate. The sinner with a heart of gold or the cold hearted proper citizen.
And conversely, being Chosen may humble one and give one a sense of awesome responsibility.
In summary, I don’t necessary see an opposition between effort and Grace. They are complementary parts of the spiritual life.
One may have to expend spiritual effort to grasp one always had Grace – and conversely, once one realizes one has Grace, one’s behavior is transformed.
Being Chosen means one has a unique opportunity to get closer to God, and conversely, ones realization of one’s closeness to God may revolutionize one’s behavior.
In Mahayana Buddhism, much practice is directed at creating the conditions within which an insight can occur – trying to realize Grace. And it is denied that any merit is achieved.
In your belief, action only happens if one believes it will ripen into fruit – but action may also happen as a result of already being a ripe fruit.
Indeed. Thanks to being able to reference my comment history, Fran had no choice but to retract her BS. I really think we all would benefit if everyone had a name or a number that allowed their comment history to be accessed. Anons are a pain. Salaam.
Spoken by someone clearly so ‘utterly superior feeling’ for having a most pathetic gold star by their name.
If i was ever awarded a silly star of colour like you have been I would ask to have it removed immediately out of humbleness and acute embarrassment and if it wasn’t removed I would never comment on Unz again because I understand unlike you and all the Kings and Queens and Baronesses and Sirs and Lords and Knights and Olympic games winners etc that badges like yours just attempt to seperate and make one superior or better than others when in fact there can never be a superior human being in the first place as ‘there is no being’
I had a realisation last night that the so called ‘hateful god’ of the Torah ‘has to be fable and a downright lie’ because hate is a concept of ego/mind and of this illusory dimension whereas god is of a dimension of nothingness /emptiness that is without ego/mind.
Also Judaism is a Monotheistic religion and due to all the evidence of use by the ancients widely around the world of Entheogens(god within) that matches my own ‘vast experience’ of them where one of the main teachings is of a ‘oneness without separation as being all that there is’ then Judaism (like all other religions)was highly likely founded by connecting with the one same god of love that I have connected with many many times and so it only convinces me more of the purity of original Judaism and its pure commandments and anyone else, like some commenters here and Atzmon who try and debunk Judaism are completely wrong in their judgement in my view.
I will never defend Jewish/Israeli crimes against humanity but I will always defend Judaism for the reasons stated above and I haven’t even got into ancient Kabbalah number synchronicities which only convinces me even more about the purity of Judaism at its birth on Mt Sinai.
How do you feel about the resistance group Hezbollah and its need to be after past Israeli invasions/attempted land and resources theft of south Lebanon ?.
Yeah, we gentiles loooooooooove it when senile old jew witches reveal the truth of their jew psychopathy and genocidal depths of their goy hatred.
And here’s some more truth for ya, jew witch.
A tale of two jew “borders”:
Mighty jew occupiers “defend” their little jew “border” against protestors not posing imminent threat:
COI on Gaza Protests: Lethal force against demonstrators not posing imminent threat:
Mighty jew warriors “defend” a “threatened position” near their little jew “border”:
Remarkable! RT shows abandoned zionist military base at Avivim
RT’s report on the abandoned jew base seen in the video above:
PressTV report featuring an English subtitled segment of the RT video above:
Jew link verifying that the brave little jew warriors did in fact flee like rats:
Sooooooooo brave, these mighty jew warriors! 🤣🤣🤣
less is best with dairy I say and I guess in U.S.A we are seeing ‘revenge of the bison’ with all the Covid deaths as the S.A.D diet is far too high in immunity lowering cholesterol …..when I was there in 80’s i remember really obese black people in KFC in Florida ordering that really fatty chicken….
Many of them are. But I guess that’s the result of cult-like brainwashing.
I re-read some parts of Culture of Critique the other day and goy are these people solipsistic. Freud believed anti-Semitism was caused by neuroses in the goyim. He believed the root of these neuroses was sexual in nature and wanted to free the goyish sexuality and thus cure them from their anti-semitism. He didn’t even entertain the possibility that something in the Jew himself, or in Judaism itself, might be the reason for anti-semitism. “No no no! WE are perfect, the OTHERS are wrong. WE are special, the OTHERS are not. WE are not neurotic, the OTHERS are the neurotics”. It’s such a primitive tribalist type of thinking. And the worse part is there is some kind of a very powerful locked gestalt that prevents many of these people from understanding the true reality.
On the bright side, I’ve noticed that younger generations of secular Israeli Jews are much less neurotic. Hopefully we’ll see Jews becoming part of humanity at some point.
So, in other words, Trump has to wait until the media hysteria dies down, which may not happen in our lifetimes.
Hornswoggled indeed. So far, the US MSM hasn’t jumped off the deep end by counting every death from disease as cornholia virus, but the Spanish authorities did just that. My wife, a TV addict, showed me the report from Spain claiming 800+ deaths in less than 24 hours with hundreds of thousands infected.
Talk about jumping the shark as an opening move, the Spaniards just showed the way forward. I guess they will be reporting traffic fatalities as plandemic deaths next.
One less and one more of Kabbala Sefirot, Tree of Life, number of ten is evil. These numbers are 9 and 11? I wonder how that came to be? Was 9 11 date chosen?
https://www.chabad.org/kabbalah/article_cdo/aid/380327/jewish/Nine-Eleven-and-Ten.htm
Wonder of wonders. Gee, whiz who would think of all this “magical” planning to destroy seven nations with this “magic’.
The numbers 9 and 11 in Kabbalah aren’t evil as mysticism can never be evil but 9+11 +9+11 = 2020??.
Many wrongly associate the number 13 negatively but it is a very pure and powerful number in fact with the meaning of love and oneness and it is no incidence that the fed was founded in 1913 and 2013 came right after 21/12/12 Mayan 13 long count made up of 5125 years(5+1+2+5=13)..67 was the famous summer of love 6+7=13..pi starts 3.1 which is 1.3 mirrored.
One can only wonder exactly what went down in 2013?
please tell what the number for hate is in Kabbalah?.
I wont be holding my breath waiting for a reply.
‘…On the bright side, I’ve noticed that younger generations of secular Israeli Jews are much less neurotic. Hopefully we’ll see Jews becoming part of humanity at some point.’
Logically, the interesting thing about such a process is that while it may well happen — does happen — you’ll never ‘see’ it.
The very process of it taking place will render it invisible. The Jew who ceases to be a Jew is no longer identifiably Jewish — while those who remain ‘Jewish’ will continue to display the traits you associate with Judaism.
Let’s take an example. On my mother’s side of the family, just about everybody apparently came over from various points in Northern Europe in the middle of the nineteenth century — from Prussia to Scotland, that’s when they all came. Such, anyway, is my impression.
Now, one of them had the last name ‘K______.’ Family speculation had it that ‘K______’ is a German Jewish name — and it’s possible, though by no means certain.
Point is, though, if Herr K______’ was Jewish, he took advantage of his move to the New World to delete the detail from his resume. Presumably, if you’d met him, you wouldn’t have said, ‘here’s a Jew who has joined humanity.’ You wouldn’t have been aware he was Jewish at all.
Almost necessarily, all the Jews you notice will be ‘bad’ Jews. If they become ‘good’ Jews, will you realize they are Jews at all? Will they be ‘Jews,’ in most senses of the word?
Jewish genetic identity is a fantasy. Culturally, Jews are all over the place. Many or most Jews don’t practice the religion. If a Jew ceases to identify as ‘Jewish,’ maybe the long and the short of it is that he no longer is.
‘So, in other words, Trump has to wait until the media hysteria dies down, which may not happen in our lifetimes.’
What’ll happen — what is happening — is that people will realize the stupid virus isn’t the real problem.
The economic collapse we’ve generated with our absurd over-reaction to the virus is the problem.
It’s like having a clogged sink. When you realize the house is on fire, you’ll stop worrying about the clogged sink.
Yeah, and anyone who looks back over your archive will see that you have really gone after large numbers of people and quite a lot for simply reacting to your endless smears, and for reacting to your laughable attempts at defending the jew war crimes and jew crimes against humanity that are continually being perpetrated in your name.
Like all thin skinned ethnic nationalist bigots, you cannot handle people not worshiping at the alter of your superior morality and not basking in the saintly glory of your eternal ethnic victimhood, so anyone not seeing everything your way, any challenge to your grotesque ideology, and the axe comes out.
Nah, you are a goy-hating jew apologist and jew holohoax fanatic that believes it was carried out by those nasty ungrateful jew-hating Palestinians who, according to you and your jewboy Aaron, should have graciously accepted their dispossession and their expulsion from their homeland and just handed Palestine over to the FOTB Polish and Russian jew terrorists who had been plotting to violently take it over since the late 1800s.
Nah, you rabid jew bitch, people are just reacting to your endless stream of grotesque jew libels, and because you constantly come at everyone with such vile jew invective.
Rabid old jew bitches like you should be put down for everyone’s safety. Lol.
Nah, you are a poisonous jew SOS and goy hater supreme, so go stick your stupid jew head in an oven and jew holohoax what’s left of your jew brain, jew bitch.
Does that mean Jews who become part of humanity and shed their Jewishness have to change their name? Like a leopard changes spots. No really I am curious. Lets say Steve Mnuchin. He has been married three times to non Jewish women. He does not participate in any religious activity, and does not identify as being Jewish. His grandchildren will not be Jewish.
Yet when people go to identify Jews especially financiers, if they have a Jewish surname they are considered the evil Jews. Jew haters go after the Rothschilds all the time they have married out of Judaism and are no longer Jewish for several generations and have nothing to do with Judaism, yet they are still identified by Jew haters and Jews. Do you see the conundrum of this witch hunt? Who really is a Jew, and when will Jews who are not interested in identifying as Jews pass the Jew hatred test? Philip Girladi goes after anyone with a Jew sounding surname, even if the persons mother is not Jewish but married a Jew.
Very confusing.
But to a real Jew hater non of this matters, because it is phantom hate. You can make believe the boogeyman is Jewish and give him a Jewish name. Jew haters really do not care about Palestinians as their is much much more suffering and torture of Muslims outside of Israel way more, but it goes unnoticed because the suffering is not inflicted by Jews.
So tell me who is a Jew and who is not? Please be specific.
Nah, Judaism started from the insane rantings of the genocidal mass murdering butcher known as Moses. He simply put his demented murderous ideology onto paper and created a demonic beast, called Yahweh, to terrorize his “people” to follow his insane rantings.
If you subscribe to a fundamentally evil ideology that makes you evil by definition. If you belong to a cult whose principle goal is to dominate and subjugate everyone on the planet, then yes, you are evil. It is a simple matter for anyone to distance themselves from this evil cult, and failure to do so says everything anyone needs to know about it.
I had a choice. No one put a gun to my head. I admitted I was wrong out of my own free will. You are a bit dishonest yourself in the way you portray me, and others who do not agree with you fantasy conspiracy theories.
And gains more when acting good. So this is a self inflicted bi-polarism – pushing the results of action to their respective extremes.
If you tell your child he is the best, all the time, even if he starts stealing, or hurting life, you will hinder his progress, because he will believe that he does not need to progress. To where? He is the best! Same for God’s children. Look at the children of the modern generation – given everything, fawned over, not given clear lines. So they lie and break other people’s stuff without a care in the world (well, that was the experience today with some of the neighbours’ ones! :p )
I don’t have the sutta link to memory, but Dhamma is a Law for kammic beings – ones that act on intention. A newborn does not possess that capability, and is not within Dhamma. They may be born into a family of Dhamma followers, and that is seen as a better birth than if not, but they are not a follower of Dhamma until they intentionally go for refuge.
Yes, but saying ‘Judaism is the best spiritual path’ is different from then adding ‘, and so all Jews are the best’. It doesn’t follow. The former is reasonable, the latter is not.
I don’t desire nibbana, . This is for the start of the path, the path is for giving up craving.. craving for sensual pleasures, craving for existence, and craving for non-existence.
If your inner nature is flawless, and the one that counts, what does the outer shell matter? There is no inner nature in Dhamma, just this dependently originated being – to be given up. Specifically:
https://suttacentral.net/mn2/en/bodhi
If a Jew misinterprets Chosenness, it is because that part of the faith points away from intentional action being the arbiter of superiority – the teaching itself removes a ladder.
There is no such statement within Dhamma. If someone believes they are superior solely because they are within a faith that offers them a path to nibbana, they misinterpret the teaching – the teaching itself only repeats over and over again that kamma only means intentional action, and that superiority is only gained through positive kamma.
Agreed, and we are taught to meditate on the four immeasurables – loving kindness, empathetic joy, boundless compassion, and equanimity to teach ourselves to not have pride.
As the Buddha would have said – being Chosen may humble some, being Chosen may make some arrogant, not being Chosen may humble some, not being Chosen may make some arrogant. Chosenness therefore is not an accurate measure of one’s spiritual progress.
No, there is no belief within kamma-vipaka (other than for the extrapolation of rebirth, to which I’ll get to). It is Newtonian – all intentional action has a result of action. Action with bad intention directly ripens into a negative result, action with good intention directly ripens into positive results, action that has neither good nor bad intention ripens into a neither good nor bad result. It doesn’t happen instantly, it may take rebirths, but it is completely linear.
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/mn/mn.135.nymo.html
Rings just like the Tao Te Ching’s
The linearity is just like Newton’s third law of motion. I will go off on a deep one here! 😀
Buddhism assumes all theories of self are just erroneous views – from their own frame of references all things are sunyata – empty, and empty of emptiness, and empty of etc etc. Rebirth assumes an I – it doesn’t transmigrate and all that, but there is some notion of I. But the higher truth still stands, and without that Atman.
Now take ‘energy can neither be created nor destroyed, it can only change forms’, along with the evidence that the observable universe is flat within the margin for error, and hence 0 energy in sum. It is easy to say the following and get an image – for all of space, at this instance, the universe is empty. But what if you flip space and time? ‘For all of time, in this space, the universe is empty’.. granted these are classical approximations, but what is ‘this space’ then?
Any physical space wouldn’t fit the bill obviously, so take self – ‘for all of time, in this self, (the universe?) is empty’. That is to say (and here is where kamma becomes problematic – because it requires an extrapolation of dependent things into Oneness, which stands contrary to the higher teaching about nibbana), all actions must be eventually evened out by a corresponding result of action – because within anatta no other option is possible – you can’t create energy.
Within the Sutta Pitaka, the Buddha talks to monks and to laypeople – he only ever talks about rebirth to lay people. This is part of his skilful means – adjusting the message to each individual, without taking away the core. It is at best a reified approximation imo. At worst it is misleading, because it allows people to abandon effort towards the goal in the here and now, as the Mahayanists do with the bodhisattva vow.
Is rebirth then like Chosenness in that it misleads? I would say so. But not identical. I treat it as an approximation to the ultimate truth, like if you were trying to explain general relativity, but used Newtonian mechanics for those that you knew could not get it. It still describes the law of action, not status. It is offered to the laity, since the higher goal is unachievable in the household life, and some people don’t want that goal. But both gaining a good rebirth, and nibbana, are solely dependent on action – both push the individual directly away from suffering, even if the lay version doesn’t get them to the end point.
Chosenness however is not an approximation to the Jewish regulation of action, but a separate position on status. Is it a skilful means of the faith? Let’s say it is offered to the less faithful Jews, for whom the higher laws of action are difficult. It threatens them with a greater punishment, and offers them a greater reward, for submitting to the laws. Some may, some may not – it does not directly push the individual towards the faith’s goals.
After this insightful debate, I would call it a means, but I would not call it skilful – because it does not stick to the same principle that it tries to encourage in followers – it is instead a separate principle. One that can – erroneously, ok – be chosen over the Jewish laws. But would the fault be with the pupil, or the teaching method in this instance?
So to conclude, I concede that there is even less difference between Dhamma and Judaism than I initially believed when we set out on this conversation! 🙂 But Chosenness is still too orthogonal a way to approach the spiritual path imo.
Drumpf is a crypto-Jew who is an asset of the Deep State and has always been. Nobody not an asset gets the type of money (hundreds of billions of loans over the years) and mass media attention/fame that he has gotten throughout his life.
The evidence is simply overwhelming.
Put down your crack pipe, TrumpTARD, and join reality.
So Fran — you did not answer my question.
What role are the ultra orthodox Jews playing in the huge NYC death toll from coronavirus?
p.s. Hmm — Tell us – is it wrong (anti-Semitic) to question a Jew?
Except that she only retracted her BS about you being a “WN”, not her endless stream of toxic jewshit—and please don’t assume she won’t call you a “WN” again tomorrow, after she retracted her BS about you being a “WN” today.
I really think there are perfectly valid reasons for posting anonymously and that we would all benefit if everyone did not have a name or a number that allowed their comment history to be accessed.
More of a pain than loud and proud ethnic nationalist bigot Fran and her ilk?
I don’t hate anything that is good and kind to people.
I hate things that are violent and cruel to people.
Obviously, the 9 and 11 combo number is being used to “scare” us.
It has Kabbala origins as the article from Chabbad that I mentioned.
Before, 9 11, we had the 911 emergency number. Obviously, someone who decided on that number knew its meaning of chaos in Kabbala for that combo.
Why is 9 11 promoted as a number instead of what happened?
It should be the NYC/Washington attack day like Pearl Harbor day. Why a number combo being used to label that day?
So he speaks truth, that makes him bad in your eyes, we understand, you love to propagate a slanderous lie to advance your tribe’s ignoble and evil objectives.
Everyone is a 9/11 conspiracist, it is just liars like you claim it was a conspiracy among Saudi cave dwellers in Afghanistan and the smart and honest ones in the room know better.
You simply hate people that expose the crimes of your tribe. You are simply a perfidious. lying, profoundly evil Jew supremacist.
So, for Dhamma – one principle, but two different paths available. For Judaism, two principles, but one path. Now there is something interesting to think about!
You’re counting on discernment from people who have none. As to the economic collapse “we’ve generated”, I’m not part of any of that and I refuse to claim it. You’re accepting blame for government action with that “we” nonsense.
This shit has been done TO us, not BY us. Let’s not muddy the waters with this “we” nonsense. When the brain dead TV addicts finally see what’s happened, they’ll start up with enough “we” whining to suit the morally retarded lunatics who are to blame for the collapse.
That’s a fair point – I can accept that the idea of being Chosen is still not one you particularly like. I have only tried to show that it doesn’t have to have the negative spin so many people give it, and can come from a place of benevolence, even if you ultimately think its misguided – and that it is structurally similar to concepts in other religions.
So I am happy I have at least allowed you to see that perspective 🙂 Thanks.
Actually, I personally find Judaism to have more in common with Buddhism – and Eastern faiths in general – than with Christianity and Islam, in its “deep metaphysical structure”, so to speak. This is most pronounced in the mystical aspects of Judaism.
Just to clarify – a Jew does not see ‘himself’ as best or better than others, but his tradition, his position in relation to God – and he extends the hand of welcome to anyone who wishes to join him. (Converts are considered especially blessed).
As for Buddhism – isn’t the goal to go beyond Karmic action? Karmic action, for good or evil, cannot get you beyond Samsara – it can only get you into a better or worse position within Samsara. Even if you become a God, that isn’t the ultimate goal.
Alan Watts suggested that the Buddha’s injunction to not desire is a “skillful means” – we try not to desire, but realise that is itself a desire, which makes us realize the illusion of a separate self that is “outside” events and can control them – at which point we collapse into surrender, and reach inner peace.
So isn’t Buddhism ultimately about going beyond good and evil to a higher reality?
And as for non ego – I thought this meant there is no separate ego, no essence that can be described as an individual unit, because everything depends on everything else. So individual essence is an illusion.
Fixed it for ya.
My goodness you are miserably stupid.
Just read the fucking Torah, it’s profoundly and thoroughly evil and its demonic beast god Yahweh is the most abominable, evil, filthy, disgusting, murderous, hateful, vengeful, arrogant asshole any group of humans has ever fabricated.
Aside from the Deuteronomy quotes – in which the demon Yahweh commands Jews to enslave humanity (Communism) and annihilate/genocide all non-Jews in Eretz Israel (Zionism), someone has accumulated some of the demonic commands of this horrible beast demon, see here, especially here and here, but with a bid of reading you can find all the demonic commands from the monster that Jews worship.
The Talmud, which Jews deem to trump the Torah, is even much worse.
Any idea what precautions they are taking to bury the dead in Israel.
Such a position is, as you said, one that all faiths (including the atheistic ones) agree on in spirit, if not exact letter! 🙂
(as an aside, I have a weakness for compliments – I have always found them cringeworthy, so perhaps there is an inborn bias in my reaction to Chosenness – a compliment straight out the gate!)
I agree, and its high achievement within theology (sorry, but things like the Athanasian creed of ‘3=1 and 1=3’ really does stand out to me as unswallowable) is a big reason I give it such a hard time. You get the odd Buddhist monk preaching to kill Muslims in Myanmar (and not getting excommunicated as per Parajika 3), but there is not the scale of harm and indifference to the other that I see in Jewish action. A case of scale over scope of course, but I can’t pin it down it seems! A case of a different lay of the land too – a nation without earth is a nation which is afraid for even its stomach, as I have written before. Perhaps this long standing fear is where the paranoia of Israel (given its massive army and nuclear weapons) comes from. It will be interesting to see whether this would change if and when the Jewish people build a nation through agreement and not conquest, as has been the case up till now.
hmm, after this discussion, and my now cleaner ‘one Law, two paths’ thought, I would say the monk’s path is, but the layperson’s is not – both follow the law of kamma-vipaka, but the two have different intentions, the former nirodha – cessation of suffering, the latter a good rebirth.
Yes, but saying ‘I have no self’ is a subtle version of individual essence. Just like saying ‘God does not exist’, by an Atheist denying the metaphysical, is still a position on the metaphysical! In the Pali Canon, the Buddha simply said the whole issue is a fetter. I think Nagarjuna balanced this well, but Buddhist philosophy does have a tendency to fall away into nihilism (essence too) if not careful.
The physics equivalent is there are no closed systems within physical (observer/observed – dependently originated) experience – even black holes evaporate. But this does not scale to saying nibbana is a closed system – why would it, not one is evident in the here and now, yet the final stop should be one? Same as for Maimonides, the ineffable is only at best pointed to with negatives, so not a Universal essence, but also not not a Universal essence, not both, not neither.. would be the way it would go (this may be a repost, but a nice article by a Western logician https://aeon.co/essays/the-logic-of-buddhist-philosophy-goes-beyond-simple-truth). Beyond the limit of mere language and designation.
I haven’t listened to him much to be honest – he helped my brother through a time close to suicide, and he sounds very wise. Certainly that is the path that those Buddhists that I speak to have gone down (me too) – you hear the message, you crave nibbana, but then you realise that is an error, and you give up pining for something else, and concentrate on the here and now. Nibbana I am ok with – it is a gradual path, and I am happy to be on it. Mostly if I crave, it is for some different here and now – more spiritual people in my circle of friends, job related things, etc.
Anyways, thank you for an enlightening conversation again, enjoy your day!
A choice? I challenged you to back up your claims using my comment history. You tried (by looking) and failed, so only then you admitted it. I agree that it is unusual for you to admit to anything but still, your choice was a bit like the shoplifter admitting to stealing after being apprehended by the security guard.
It is your own conspiracy theories that are not only fantasies but impossible ones at that. 19 muslim highjackers with box-cutters? LOL.
The readers of The Unz Review are generally quite a bit better informed than you give them credit for and you wonder why dislike for you is so intense? Nobody likes a liar.
Have a banana.
said:
“You are a Holocaust denier …….”
– And you are a denier of science logic, & rational thought which simply demolish your laughably fake & impossible “holocaust”.
– In fact, I have challenged you repeatedly on your curiously wishful ‘Nazi’ fantasies, and you have no answers, no proof, only your version of childish name calling.
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https://www.unz.com/?s=Fran+Taubman&Action=Search&ptype=all&commentsearch=only&commenter=Wally
I am not interested in a popularity contest. I wear my controversy like a badge of honor. You really are a petty POS.
Live long and prosper.
God and the Coronavirus, not coincidentally two fictions of imagination in the title? And both used as a means of control. Both being advocated by a priesthood, the former a religious priesthood, the latter a secular priesthood, both ‘experts’..
So, instead of overthinking the idea whether one has a right to be ‘the ultimate leaders of the world’, you are arguing that since the promised Moschiah doesn’t seem to show up, one should give up the ambition in order to save face..
in case you missed this news item
https://nypost.com/2020/04/04/nyc-firefighter-gets-coronavirus-after-teen-sneezes-on-him/?utm_source=url_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons
‘Challenge’?, reading the news from Israel and new york about jewish kids and their parents sneezing in the faces of emergency workers/forces, maybe ‘challenge; is not the right expression. Scratch your vocabulary and find a slightly more descriptive word so I can take you seriously…
The question that groups, jews or goyim, that refuse the quarantine and social distancing measures can help answer is the true lethality of this Covid-19. If most people getting this virus have relatively mild symptoms then the disease is more like a common flu and we are all over reacting. This includes the Israeli response as well.
Hiding out from this disease is no guarantee of safety. Such measures as social distancing will have to be permanent features of society so long as no other methods to fight the virus are available. Relax the restrictions and the virus is free to circulate again.
The fate of communities which can be expected to be heavily saturated with the Covid-19 virus should tell us a great deal about the seriousness of the disease. Plots of the outcomes for the infected would likely be quite detailed and provide predictions of what would happen if the virus is eventually endemic in populations attempting to avoid the virus altogether. We need to know if we are panicking over a virus which in the end is just another flu bug or close enough to such a bug. Whether they know it or not they are volunteers in an experiment in public health.
‘why is 9/11 quoted as a number instead of what happened’
Simply because ‘nine eleven’ is quicker and easier to say than ‘the day the twin towers had those two planes crash into them in New York city and the day the plane that crashed into the pentagon in D.C’..or even as you mentioned ‘The New York city and Washington D.C attack day’…its called economy of speech or economy of written/typed word as you have shown by typing 9/11 instead of nine/eleven.
Just because an evil person may take a number from anywhere doesn’t necessarily mean the place the number is taken from is evil and as I mentioned mysticism can never be evil because it comes from spiritual teaching and spirit has no mind to ‘think up evil’ like the human mind can.
You are reading too much into things and btw(notice the economy)I am not trying to defend Jewish or Zionist crimes here as i side with the Israel 9/11 connection theory that led to the so called ‘war on terror’ or more like the excuse needed for ‘war on the peace loving Arab enemies of Zionist entity Israel’..
The evil god of the Torah is fake news ‘in fact’ and I would urge you to be more careful in believing what you believe because there is a lot a fake news out there and that includes in history.
You couldn’t be speaking more out of your anal sphincter if you tried you ignorant fake news ‘evil Jewish God’ believing fool.
There can never be such a thing as an evil god or an evil demon as evil is but a concept of ego/mind that is bound to this dimension.
‘any group of humans has ever fabricated’
Yeah fabricated as in fake…
Just because the OT and Torah have fabrications written by evil minds it doesn’t mean it all is and it isn’t that difficult to see the pure teachings of the 10 commandments and abide by them for those who follow Judaism or Christianity.
If you have to stir up hatred then save it for evil people in general rather than decent people who abide by the pure ‘God given’ teachings of Judaism and Christianity and if the Torah was all vile I would agree with you but clearly it isn’t and so I never will agree with you no matter what you say.
FRan the Vegetarian from iran
The name is …..(((nose))) y duke?
LOL.dont you get it
The seven gates are opening
Have another banana.
Why aren’t all you pathetic stirrers of hate for ‘all Jews’ stirring hate for ‘all Christians’ as well because that fake evil God you go on about is mentioned in Deuteronomy in the Torah and the Old Testament which are for Jews and Christians?.
Marcion addressed this problem in the second century. I think that his advice should have been followed. The world would be a much better place if that happened. It could still happen with all the misery that Zionist/Jewish power uber alles is doing to our planet in past hundred or so years.
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/marcion.html
Amazing how someone like you that lives in England doesn’t seem to be aware of all the real nastiness of so many non Jew white people here.
Horrible northern Italians, they hate their southern neighbors and always will.
Wow you are indeed the greatest idiot on Unz. That’s a remarkable accomplishment.
Except Judaism, as I have proven, has only evil, corrupt, adulterated, miserable demon-given teachings.
Well I have long stated that the Christians who believe in the Old Testament are crypto-Jews (moderated to some extent by the New Testament) and fake Christians. If they worship the beast described in the Old Testament, they are also evil. But the fact is most Christians who profess to believe in the Old Testament really don’t – they pretty much stick to the New Testament.
And it was a grave mistake to include the Old Testament in the Bible. But if you look long and hard, you will find which … tribe … was responsible for that decision. It is rather obvious to even a novice reader that Jesus on multiple occasions referred to Yahweh as the Synagogue of Satan, it is hence inexplicable why the Old Testament would be included in the bible. The gods of both sets of books couldn’t be more different.
The native people of Britain that you label as “nasty” have not much power in the UK. Look at the Corbyn hysteria created by a tiny group of Top Zionist Jews in the recent election in the UK. That is real nasty stuff. The native British “natsy” is petty compared to the big “natsyness” of the Zionist uber alles people in present day UK.
https://orientxxi.info/magazine/anti-semitism-orchestrated-offensive-against-jeremy-corbyn-in-the-uk,2446
‘Marcion’
Such a world renowned name and ‘teacher’ in the history of religion and spirituality.LOL!!
Nearly as famous as Buddha as a teacher.LOL!
Proven?…Don’t make me laugh .
I will state again for your infant like mind.
There can never be such a thing as an evil God….as evil is of the mind and bound to this dimension.
Grow up spiritually a little and come back and talk when you have, child.
As a whole, White British are one of the most tolerant and respectful people towards other ethnic groups that can be found. This tolerance is translated in the remarkable integration of ethnic minorities within the fabric of British society. Such integration is a great credit to how civilised White British are overall.
The most noticeable exceptions of engineered hatred and ideological racism with an agenda are not found within the Whites, but within mainstream media such as the Daily Mail, or fake alt-right opposition such as Tommy Robinson, both of which are notoriously funded by Zionist financial interests.
I have many British Jew friends, all anti-Zionist of course, and even more Jewish acquaintances met at work. The only one I ever heard complaining of rejection was a great professional named Cohen saying that him and siblings were not accepted by the Jewish community because only their father was Jewish, not their mother.
Pushing the arificial anti-semitism canard that was recently fabricated to engineer Jeremy Corbyn’s demise does not do credit to your alleged “insight”.
The New Testament canon came about because of him.
https://www.westarinstitute.org/blog/marcion-forgotten-father-inventor-new-testament/
The truth is, christine, that there can never be such a thing as a good God either. As both good and evil are concepts existing in the mind. Reality is as it is. Neither good, nor bad. It just is. “The Tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao”.
Abrahamic religions have hijacked the idea of God and put tons of neurotic bullshit on top of it. Yahweh himself is just one of the many original Ancient Canaanite gods.
Slightly OT, (sorry), but reading about all those bodies now piling up at crematoria makes me wonder at the talent of those evil Nazis to dispose of so many millions of dead so efficently and without a trace, at a time when fuel and resources were becoming scarce.
Surely if the evil Nazis could do it, why are undertakers today, with modern technology, having such a hard time of it?
Where did I say that there was only a good god??.. … if you read what I said, I said,all is one/nothing ness/love/emptiness and all else is illusion….no mention of good is there??
I disagree with your last paragraph completely as God ‘most certainly’ is not an idea of man and so you haven’t got a clue what you are talking about and nor does the ilya person who agrees with you
Both of you go take magic mushrooms a thousand times or more like I have and come back and talk to me a bit more when you have a little more experience and a better understanding about religion spirit and god…..
Only that I am NOT pushing the artificial ant-Semitism canard!!(read some of my comments!) and so your very cheap comment about my ‘alleged insight’ is hilarious and it only shows up your arrogant dismissal of anything that you or any one you know (or that have ever met) knows anything about in the slightest and therefore have a complete and utter lack of understanding of….ie spirit and so the only one not doing themselves any credit here is you and it wouldn’t surprise me at all if your mind craves deeply one of those pathetic yellow stars that get awarded to types like you who believe that they know so much with their ‘oh so smart minds’ but when they come across something that is completely and utterly alien to them they dismiss it out of high minded pompous arrogance and a complete lack of humility!…..I see this all the time with intellectual types online who think they know it all until they realise that they really don’t quite do and then have to start scratching their heads when the ‘spirit’ word or god forbid the far scarier ‘magic mushroom’ words comes up.
Like Robjii you should go visit some U.K prisons and spend some time with all the non-Jews and really I have heard it all before about Zionism in U.K with Corbyn etc and surprise surprise for you iris and robjii I agree!!!.
Here we go again – a perfectly well written and “common sense” article homing on some very interesting statistical differences in the mortality rate and postulating probably cause – is branded an Anti-Semitic rant!
Is there no end to the eternal whining and projection the Zio-Yiddish community engages in ?
Shame on you for reinforcing the stereotype that affects ALL Jews.
No, they don’t.
By the way… the most cynical and diabolical act of cowardice is your Satanic Sophistry, Bitch.
To whom is this comment addressed? If #345 then you may want to read it again and if not, use the reply function to allow a thread to be easily followed. You appear to think yourself to be highly knowledgable and are very dismissive of others yet you were so very easily taken in by Fran Taubman, one of the most easily identifiably dishonest, blowhard shills to be found on this site. Ponder that.
I think it was Kahlil Gibran who said that it was better to say, I have found a truth rather than to say I have found the truth.
As to Robjil’s point about 9/11 you have missed the point entirely. It is not about economy BTW, WTC attacks is quite economical at just 10 letters and far more descriptive since 911 is also the number in the US to dial for emergencies. We don’t say 11/22 for the JFK assassination, we don’t say 12/7 for Pearl Harbour either. What other days of infamy do we accord with just a brief numerical identifier? Is that it is simply a matter of “economy” your best explanation for this?
A little more then a cough at police for these Catholics. If you lived in the US, especially in Texas, Arizona and other border states, you would not be writing about Hassids coughing. You would be writing about an entire generation being destroyed by a bunch of Roman Catholics. They kill women and children not just the police. Stop getting so hysterical over a few nut job Jews. You know you sound rather unbalanced and more then a little neurotic about Hassidic people. Do they give you the willies?
https://www.foxnews.com/world/mexican-drug-cartels-struggle-lab-supplies-china-coronavirus
You started commenting like a seemingly psychologically normal person, but after 40 comments only you now sound utterly demented.
Such insanity is a rare trademark; it is difficult not to believe that you are Fran posting under another pseudonymic handle.
Chassez le naturel, il revient au galop.
What is life? Access to choice, within some degree of freedom. A single celled organism at the G1/S transition checks the internal and external conditions it finds itself in, and chooses to reproduce or not (how that consciousness is experienced, don’t ask me – I am not a single celled organism!). A base animal chooses to fight for reproduction, or retreat and wait it out for another chance, based on the degrees of freedom it observes and considers relevant. A human being, Man – any being with access to reason – is simply a life form that has the freedom to choose within any degree of freedom it observes, as well as create degrees of freedom it has not observed.
Choice is objectification – left/right, hot/cold. It arises from the first objectification of identifying a system, an objectification that sparks life – the internal, and the external. As life progresses up in complexity, it learns to objectify more and more, and so gains access to more degrees of freedom.
At some point, life attempts to objectify All. This is anthropological modernity – the birth of Man. The objectification of All is a creation of the metaphysical. As opposed to all previous objectification which deal with parts of the Whole, and so remain purely physical, an objectification of the Whole cannot be physical.
Why? Because physics, a-posteriori thought, the scientific method of observation/measurement is one of a duality. Of an observer and an observed. But once an objectification of the Whole is sought, the duality disappears, and the scientific method with it.
Therefore, whilst objectification of things found within this experience are justifiable when wishing to remain within the epistemological limit of direct observation, objectification of experience as a Whole, is not.
Any truth on One, Whole, All is only ever inferred (at best) , never practically observed.
Hence it is mind made.
A badge of honor to be your enemy. Shout it from the roof tops. Blame it on the Jews. If you disagree you are a dishonest shill. Hallelujah. Praise be to god. I am proud to have exposed your ideas in clear and simple sentences for the world to see the mendaciousness behind your lies behind your claim of Cosmic Jewish Evil.
Good luck getting the rest of the world to believe your crap. What a lonely life you must lead, your friends on UR a tired group of haters.
It would be against the laws of nature for one small group of people to plan and plot the events you suggest. 9/11 the Kennedy assassination etc. Life forces and events are far to random for anyone to achieve what you say. A natural impossibility.
What I do not understand about you, is that instead of working for peace, amity, and mutual understanding – you try and stir up hate.
I have no doubt there are badly behaving Jews – as there are badly behaving Muslims, Christians, Buddhists, etc.
I could easily create a blog describing daily incidents of horrific Muslim behavior, and describing it as ‘characteristic’ of Islam. And, umm, I’m quite sure I could cone up with instances that are just, maybe, a tad worse than sneezing into a firefighters face, lol.
Instead, I try and find what is beautiful and legitimate in Islam, and understand where they are coming from – and what is undeniably ugly in that religion and culture, I try and find extenuating circumstances for, and hope see as a stage on their progress toward moral refinement.
I humanize them and see them as struggling people like myself – despite the daily litany of horrifying behavior that emerges from that world.
I am inspired to do this by my Jewish religion.
But instead of working for peace between these groups, you see it as your mission to stir up hatred, dissension, mutual antipathy – why do you see this as your ‘mission’?
Why are you so consumed by resentment?
A good spiritual exercise for you Gilad would be to try and find 10 good things about the Jewish religion – it would be an exercise in overcoming your ego and neutralizing the bile of resentment.
I think what you need is a spiritual tradition to soften you – why not convert to Islam? A man of your angry, resentful temperament might find some level of peace there.
‘Hamas sends children to the border as human shields, the most cynical and diabolical act of cowardice.’
Even if we grant that, it still takes two to tango. How would Fran describe Israel’s decision to shoot those children?
…Maybe we should declare Hamas and Israel terrorist organizations. Make supporting either one a crime. What does Fran think?
‘…Such insanity is a rare trademark; it is difficult not to believe that you are Fran posting under another pseudonymic handle…’
I considered that — or that ‘she’ might be Aaron.
But if memory serves, in her mental meanderings ‘Christine’ has made some pretty anti-Israel or anti-Jewish remarks. I think she’s herself — more or less, whoever that is.
I dumped fran within about a day of reading their comments on this post and then finding out about their views on sniping in the Gaza right of return and then them not bothering to answer my simple ‘test’ question to them about Hezbollah…ponder that… as the truth is up thread.
Para 2…. loads I haven’t told the truth about here and I don’t so much care too with all the negativity and i shall say exactly what I choose thank you very much…
in spoken word..doubelutc-attacks is 16 letters but nineeleven is 10 so the latter is easier to roll off the tongue..
(dial)nine one one is for emergency number in states NOT the same as nine eleven which is spoken for 9/11 and so both are easily used without confusion are they not?.
twelveseven is 11 letters and pearl harbour 12 so about same
London tube bombings after 9/11 are known as 7/7…google 7/7..
I don’t know maybe its a modern thing with texting and typing on keyboards since 9/11 after phones and internet beginning and it has just condensed numbers down for speed and it converted into speech as a consequence?..
missed the point??.
there are no evil numbers…but for sure there are very powerful numbers and only a complete fool would disregard the significance of the number 13 that came just after 21/12/12…and how it ties in with 1521964 which are jumbled up right after 3.1 in pi…
Ouchy ouch ouch..so sorry to bruise that ego/mind of yours…
Fluent in French also eh?….Must be a star coming your way soon.
Me as fran??LOL!!…why my test Hezbollah question then???
There were some good studies about zinc and corona virus in the 70’s. It was found in most
of the lozenges years ago, now I can’t find one with zinc. There are many studies about Vits C and
D with some garlic also. What’s most interesting is Isaiah 26:20-21. “Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
“For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.”
Sure, but on the highest levels of Judaism, God is unknowable and beyond good and evil.
And the idea of Monotheism is that God created good and evil – there is One principle in the world.
Islam and Christianity watered down this monotheism into two principles, good and evil – perhaps under the influence of ancient Zoroastrianism.
But even with them, the Christian mystics and the Muslim Sufis preserved the original monotheism of One Principle and the unity of everything – unfortunately, Sufis no longer exist in the Islamic world – and Christian mystics likewise have all but vanished.
As for Taoism and Buddhism, on the popular level there are tons of deities for both good and evil.
So beneath superficial appearances, the divide between Eastern and Western faiths is not so clear cut – and us often a question of emphasis.
Open up your eyes Americans!
We are living through the last inning of our extinction by the jews. Bill Gates is preparing a vaccine to save us. Really?? Where was he when Ian Ignatiev was saying “the white race must be extinguished” while he was a profesor at Harvard? Billy is hard of hearing? Did Billy say something then?
The truth about the covid-19, the greatest terror operation ever imposed on humanity, is here.
and the truth about the zios here
Rise up and send them to hell where they belong or die quietly and smiling with Bill’s vaccine.
Shakespeare: “The hell is empty because all the devils are here”
Finding what is “beautiful and legitimate” in any faith tradition is rather beside the point, since your own effort at so doing with respect to Islam may best be described as “damning with faint praise.”
Judaism itself isn’t the focus of Mr. Atzmon’s work. He specifically writes
In other words, he identifies a common thread of Jewish exclusiveness both within and among these otherwise disparate ideologies that binds them together, the difference between you being that he decries it while you celebrate it. (I prefer to apply the term zionism to this phenomenon, as it appropriately encapsulates the breadth of its undercurrents.)
Zionism is a worldview that necessitates Jewish domination — a domination whose fruits are evident in the terrible treatment of those most proximate to the crown jewel that is Eretz Yisroel (Greater Israel), a domination where critics of Israel are legally silenced. In reality, it is not the benevolent portrait you attempt to paint.
Arguments tu quoque are merely transparent attempts to prevent Mr. Atzmon’s line of criticism. There’s already a deluge of anti-Islam/anti-Muslim websites and blogs flooding the web and there’s little I can do to prevent that from an Islamic perspective — which allows them to have the ideas they do, however disagreeable I might find them.
So you have a rosy view of Israel. We get it.
It’s just not very persuasive.
[Incidentally, we note that you make light of the Hasidim youth’s callous disregard for the life of a Muslim firefighter, which is a bit peculiar for someone so offended at others for finding the ritual of kapparot amusing.]
LOL, MS-13 gangs are devout Catholics, are they now? These Hassids keep kosher and follow Halakha, which controls every single detail of their lives, “religiously”. Which of these gangstas has a similar devotion to Catholicism? About the kind of comment I expect from the likes of you.
I will answer this question to save you from Iris thinking you are me LOL. Lebanon has ongoing internal strife and civil war. Hezbollah is a para military group not a part of the regular Lebanese army and is supported by a foreign country Iran. Many people inside Lebanon are protesting against Hezbollah, whose leader Hassan Nasrallah calls for genocide of not only Israel but the Jews. He lives underground like a rat, and builds tunnels to Israel to invade. A lot of their income comes from drug trafficking.
The Lebanon civil wars contain many fractions. There have been assassination of leaders and sectarian conflicts between Christian Maronite, Muslim groups, and Druze. What happened was more then a land grab by Israel, whose main goal was to support one side of the conflict rather then intentional grabbing land to colonize and own it. That was not their intention.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_Lebanon_War
A more factual assessment:
Criticism is fine – sleazy low blows, and spreading hate is not good.
Those sites that demonize Islam are sleazy low class sites.
This site in general exists for the purpose of spreading hate – not working for amity, understanding, and sympathy through criticism.
That is what it is – but I find it unfortunate. This site could have been an excellent place to criticise mainstream things that really need criticizing.
Instead it’s a sleaze site – low blows, cheap shots, trashy demonization, over the top craziness.
Otoh, I spend a lot of time here on my mission to the heathens 🙂 I wouldn’t really have any work here if it wasn’t a sleaze site.
Hamas is a Mossad front.
Shedding light on and criticizing the machinations perpetrated by Jewish Supremacist Organizations (JSOs) is very needed, indeed.
This site in general exists for the purpose of spreading hate – not working for amity, understanding, and sympathy through criticism.
This is a false dichotomy. It’s neither of the two, nor does it pretend to be.
The column content does serve as a bulwark to the onslaught of mainstream narratives. Compared to other politically-oriented sites, you’ll find a better quality of comment here, though there is often a lot of white noise through which to sift. Such is the nature of a free speech forum. Take it or leave it.
Personally, I’ll take the crude young man who tells me we should nuke Iraq over the diplomat trying to spoon-feed me poisoned honey. At least the former has no pretense about his true intention.
LOL!….Like I said go do the grand of shrooms…..and then come back and we can both discuss how we have ‘seen’ and ‘not thought with our minds’ through the veil that ‘shows’ the illusion of self and world that reveals a ‘vision’ and feeling of nothingness ‘without any engagement of ego/mind’ just like Buddha when he used to trip his tits off in India on Cubes 2500 years ago.
Quit all your yaketty yak yaketty Theology and just do the spirit bit instead.
‘they pretty much stick to the NT)’
In fact most Christians regard the 10 commandments as the foundation of morality and probably correctly most of them also believe that they are commandments for all of humanity.
why wouldn’t these ancient laws on morality be part of the bible??
Why wouldn’t Jesus condemn an idea of a God from a Jewish human mind??(or a beast or demon)..you keep changing it from god to demon to beast but regardless the contradiction between good teaching and evil teaching is plain to see in the OT /Torah but its up to each individual to be good or bad but it doesn’t mean the bible or torah are bad because an act is of a mind and not a book and it isn’t too difficult to know wrong from right.
God’s of both books??….what??…monotheism means mono(theism and that evil god/beast/demon in deuteronomy is a god made up in an evil Jew war mongering human mind.
Well, you just said one could not find even 10 good things about Judaism.
That’s not criticizing, that’s demonizing.
I understand why you do it. We all grow up with this big black hole in the center of our being that we are trying to fill. By hating the Other – the not us – we are trying to fill that hole, to make the ‘us’ secure. The less real we make the Other, the more real we are. The more we deny him his humanity and good points, the more we have.
Its sort of like a zero-sum take on spirituality – there is only so much of that coveted goodness going around, and if I let Jews have any, I’ll have less.
I actually think I stumbled onto one of my epiphanies again – thanks, geo. Yes, Dualism is zero-sum spirituality!
The better I am, the worse everyone else must be.
I see goodness as a limitless commodity – the more I have, the more I would like for others to have
They baptize their children.
Yes you would. As I am not about to be intimidated by your bullshit about Jews and Judaism.
Are the drug cartels murdering thousands and reading havoc on an entire generation Jewish?
You have every right to your opinion, and point of view, as I do. You do not need to promote horror stories about me and Jews because we don’t see it your way. You are the product of a weak and cancerous mind. Who are in those cartels? Not Jews is all that is important.
While I have you let me set your straight on the following.
The early bronze age was a barbaric time. Humanity coming out of the hunter gather stage, with very little morals or sanctity of life in the land of Cannon. The inhabitants were vile and practiced incest, beastiality, child sacrifice, heinous sexual practices with priest and gods. Do not shoot the messenger who were the Jews in the story. God tried for 400 years to mitigate the behavior of these people. He gave up. He deemed them unredeemable. After the 10 commandments and the Noahide laws as well as the sexual moral codes, families were formed, communities began to be humane. Humanity in the ME moved forward to a new chapter where juice prudence began to protect individuals. It was all good. Life moved forward. The Jews were the first to help civilize the world.
Here is a list of the abominations of the Cannonite nations.
https://www.padfield.com/acrobat/history/canaanite-abominations.pdf
This is the most heinous practices about the worship of excrement and the wiping of the anus with your nose. Yes these people needed to go. A lot like wiping out ISIS. The Jews and god were striving to rid the world of heinous practices so that progress could move forward.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heresy_of_Peor
Demonizing? I don’t do demonizing. That’s the ADL and SPLC’s specialty. No, I’m merely expressing my thoughts about the damage wrought to this world by what is essentially a supremacist religion.
It’s a very simply formulation, really…
no supremacist religion, no JQ.
No JQ, no “persecution.”
No “persecution,” no Hart-Celler/mass immigration.
No H-C/mass immigration, strong viable homelands, including America and other Western countries.
That’s why I wish polytheism prevailed over monotheism.
Your quote is fair, and sure, the faith of old was likely civilizing 3000 years ago.
But where are we as western societies now, and who rules us? 30% of our elites are Jewish. 1% of our populations are Jewish.
Correlation != Causation, but it sure doesn’t help your cause that Jewish power pushes the religion and practice of Canaan onto those they rule!
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Not an illusion. Newtonian mechanics is not an illusion. Just less explicative than general relativity. Same as any theory of self is less explicative than not-self.
Worthless? No – that is your conception.
Flawed? Yes. (I’d have to go off on another deep one though, and the time spent typing is not worth just insults)
ISIS aka AL CIADA is a creation of the ZUS and Israel and ZBritain aka the CIA and the MOSSAD and MI6.
It is good that sometimes your demented rants bring an interesting topic, albeit accidentally.
The media warfare against Hezbollah, launched decades ago by World Zionism is a relentless attempt to tarnish the Lebanese Islamic Resistance’s image which truly never stops, which is why you brought the topic in the first place.
It was always known, and proven, that Isreal played a leading role in the false flag assassination of PM Rafiq Hariri in 2005, triggering popular revolts that forced the premature withdrawal of the Syrian Army, and left Hezbollah and Lebanon defenceless against the “Clean Break” attack carried out in 2006 by Isreal with the support of its American backers.
But further details have recently emerged to explicit Israel’s MO: from “American Hypocrisy” political essay by Amran Adham:
Israel is a beacon of peace and a lighthouse of ethics in our very dark world, Fran; every lobotomized imbecile has understood that by now. Go have a nap, or a banana, or whatever.
A quick look at Christine’s comment history reveals ardent support for the likes of Jeffrey Epstein while simultaneously deriding his youthful victims as exploitative sluts and whores. What more needs to be said about the values so proudly on display?
Duh! The WTC attacks and the London tube bombings all had very close connections in terms of the impossible physics claimed to be involved, the MO using drills to provide cover and the geopolitical goals of those behind them so it really should come as no big surprise that they share simple numerical identifiers.
Methinks the “lady” doth protest too much!
Well, these are people of Jewish ancestry who are not religious. So I don’t think it’s fair to blame the religion for what they are doing, so your remark that you can’t find anything good in Judaism doesn’t make sense.
I am ok with the fact that you think Jews are your enemy – but it is a good ego subduing exercise to find something good even in your enemy.
Unfortunately, Western society was decadent well before Jews became influential. I was a secular atheist for much of my adult life, and during this period I read heavily in the classic European thinkers and writers. By the late 19th century, these writers were expressing pessimistic and decadent views.
I don’t have a problem admitting ethnic Jews – not religious ones – are a contributing factor to Western decadence, mostly after WW2. But the West was decadent well before that.
30% of what? What is a Jew? a last name, a practicing Jew. This are not really a reliable statistic for proving anything. Jews were more educated during the Medieval times then the peasants, Jews could read and write, so they are more successful as they educate themselves and put a great value on it.
What is Jewish power. Jews do not work in sync or promote one idea. Two Jews will not share the same ideas. Asians are very successful as well. I mean where are you going with this?
AS you are a one trick pony with this claim. Zionism is not Jewish domination. It is the rite of Jews to self determination like all other peoples in the wold. Like the desire of the Kurds. Kurds are not into domination they are interested in self rule. The Jews lived for centuries in Arabia under Islamic domination. Jews wanted the right to return to their ancient homeland and rule themselves. Lets look at the map. The tiny YELLOW is Israel, which is surrounded by all Muslim controlled theologies where no Jews or Christians a allowed, or where other religions live under thereat and peril. If you are any student of history and do not understand the desire of the Jews to “self rule” in their homeland, you are beyond formulating fair opinions.
The Jews not not wish to dominate over any other people other then themselves.
THIS TINY YELLOW IS ISRAEL. THINK!! LOOK AT ALL THE MUSLIM ONLY COUNTRIES SURROUNDING ISRAEL.
Excerpts from Gilad’s The Wandering Who?
Find something good even in your enemy? I don’t thing Sun Tzu counselled this. I believe he encouraged you to “know your enemy.”
Why there may be a kernel of truth to this, western societies were simply devastated when the poison of Cultural Marxism was injected into their bloodstream. Just look at the consequences we’re all privileged to witness today:
People who are so ashamed of their heritage, they are voluntarily:
removing statues of their former heroes;
apologizing for historical events such as slavery they had no part in;
despising their own skin colour.
For these pathologies, we have the Frankfurt School to thank.
You are one of the few willing to do so. Good luck getting JSOs such as the ADL or SPLC doing so… or even Fran, for that matter!
Is it purely an accident that such a bright guy as yourself manages to get things so arse-backwards? How is it that so many Jews live and flourish unmolested in such places as the US, UK, Europe, Australia etc if they are thought to be enemies? Clearly, what you are observing is that an ever-increasing number of people in those countries are seeing themselves as the enemies of Jews.
The Nakba, the King David hotel bombings, JFK assassination, the USS Liberty, 9/11…all of those and a great many more events of terror can be traced to Jewish interests and hands, and I think that you not only get the idea but are working very hard to provide cover. And meanwhile we are repeatedly scolded for the “anti-semitism” in those countries mentioned when actually so many of them turn out to be false-flag events perpetrated by Jews themselves to create the illusion of hatred of Jews.
Can you not see a pattern or trend? Have you not seen other commenters adding “Every.Single.Time.” to their comments and wondered what is meant by it? As Iris pointed out upthread, those countries mentioned have displayed a tolerance for literal invasions of diverse peoples that is unseen virtually anywhere else on earth but somehow you manage to view it as evidence of hatred.
Some did, some didn’t. Jews did, and still do. Everyone else has moved past those times, but Jews stick to their evil and caustic supremacist religion with fervor. That says all you need to know about Jews.
Also your beast Yahweh that you worship is a fabrication, just like Zeus and Apollo. He doesn’t exist, he’s just a profoundly evil, vicious and barbaric idol that Jews worship, out of choice.
Bahahahahahahahahahahahahashaha! The dumbest comment of the thread by you yet. Those barbaric demon worshipers did pretty much only evil, until the Romans tried to civilize them, but yet they failed, the evil was too strong in the Jew.
Another in an endless list of ZioNazi lies by the barbaric Zionists. No, you don’t have the right to steal someone else’s land to create your own country. What country do Gypsies or Turks have? What about Turkmen? Or Celts?
Where do you live? I suggest they murder your neighbors, terrorize you, and throw you and your surrounding area into a desert concentration camp, to torture, humiliate, murder, kidnap, brutalize and destroy you on a daily basis.
In fact, let’s hope the Palestinians, who have no land of their own, do that to the Jews – and put them in Gaza and swap places. That would be the most wonderful development in human history.
You’re a liar, but to the extent it is true, the British and French, as well as Israel and US, are to blame.
Israel is so tiny – then I suppose Americans wouldn’t mind if Russian Cossaks, who have no country of their own, expel the Americans from San Diego, LA and Orange County, and torture them in the desert, since, after all, it’s only a tiny piece of America?
It’s obvious they wish to dominate the entire planet, starting with the Middle East but that is no limit there. The ZIoNazis are evil, barbaric savages who must return the land they stole.
#389 was intended for AaronB in response to #385
Guess you do not like us so much, well you can’t please everyone. A lot of the planet really digs us, so piss off and put a good movie on, or come after us if you can. Otherwise you are a pretty pointless person, given to hyperbole and fantasy, a pretty emasculated dude, ranting and raving, powerless, seeing your life spinning out of control. I feel sorry for you a sad sad person. The need to blame others for your own failure to achieve anything on your own.
Okay. You wrote something that requires clarification. A rare opportunity that warrants some response:
Zionism is not Jewish domination. It is the rite of Jews to self determination like all other peoples in the wold.
First of all, it isn’t “rite.” It’s “right.”
And that’s just the commonplace definition of zionism. However, the actual ambition of zionists is not so simple; rather, it is a realization of comprehensive Jewish supremacy to ensure not merely self-determination, but subordination of any who dare challenge the manner in which Jewish power manifests itself toward that end.
Indeed, it is not enough to claim the Promised Land that lies between the Nile and Euphrates. How feasible can the attainment of any such claim be if the institutions required to realize it have not been brought to heel? An objective of this magnitude can only be brought to fruition by waging perpetual war on multiple fronts: in media, education, politics, economics, social venues, art, and religion. Even if a zionist were satisfied with whatever Israel has now, it is inconceivable that he would relent in waging such a war or, at the very least, assisting in the endeavor, as it’s hardwired in Talmudic imperative.
This understanding of zionism explains the desperation with which Israel engages in American lawfare, spearheading hate speech legislation that relegates the anti-BDS movement to the KKK or ISIS — an attack on the very cornerstone of the American republic. It also explains their recruitment of an a-list comedian/actor in the effort to pressure social media platforms to ban accounts whose owners regularly expose the seedy underbelly of Israel. Without such warfare, Israel remains threatened by the one weapon it fears above all others: truth.
And these are but a small sample of recent battles in which Israel has engaged to ensure its supremacy among humankind. The late ex-congressman Paul Findley wrote a bestselling book about the subject — They Dare to Speak Out: People and Institutions Confront Israel’s Lobby — and was, of course, vilified by the usual suspects for so doing, since exposing this pattern of behavior so endemic to zionism constitutes a threat to its fundamental agenda.
So … no, Fran … Zionism isn’t just about “self-determination,” but even if it were, it’s a kind of self-determination that effectively denies others the same.
Astute!(and thanks for saving me all the hassle I was anticipating to others like iris that aren’t as smart as you)…..but why do you assume that someone you have never set eyes on or heard speak is a ‘she’?…but an easy trap to fall into granted..
I shall give you a clue….The name is half correct.
Its no big deal as I just like playing with numbers names and people etc…
Alright 30% is high.
The US is a kleptocracy, and the donor class is close to that figure (for billionaires). The Council of Foreign relations is disproportionately Jewish. The money in the lobby system is disproportionately Jewish. Congress is 6% Jewish, although given how Trump is led by his daughter’s husband, and surrenders to every whim of Israeli tyranny, that figure is soft – lead from the back, as Lao Tzu said. Although I’m not sure what’s sagely about allowing for the theft of Golan, or violation of national sovereignty. Supreme Court is fairly Jewish – and they really are the least checked and balanced part of the system.
Then you are engaged in a veil of absurdism, or you wish to qualify yourself as a different species – all groups share a common idea, even if it is only birth, otherwise you are not a group.
Really? That is the history, and even direct insinuation of Jewish power in history. Jews worked to bring more Jews into the US from Bolshevik Russia in the early 20th – stating openly that they did so to grab power in the US, as they needed a critical mass. They do the same in Europe. Jewish leaders themselves state they control America.
It wouldn’t be an issue if they created good laws, and ruled well, but the stronger Jewish power holds over a society, the more deranged their laws become. Now you might call an atheist who has Jewish heritage not Jewish. But they call themselves Jewish, and they identify with and, more importantly, preferentially work with other Jews. And when the Bolshevik collude and go ape bananas on a quarter of a billion people, some clever casuistry can deny that even one Jew was present in Soviet Russia through the early 20th.
The issue is bias. Which Jews exercises towards itself as a prime directive, as you said – regardless of if those Jews share ideology. Although that helps of course.
It’s funny that you hate on China – but they don’t promote laws of moral decay like appeared in Bolshevik Russia as soon as Jews got into power, or as has been happening in Europe for a century+.
Jews ‘run’ money because they are intelligent? Then why do so many societies where they start to disproportionately participate ‘run into the ground’?
Because – a people without an anchor to the society they live in, and who’s primary motivator is profit, have two incentives. To build that society up and profit, or to tear it down and profit. They are without anchor – they can hop to the next one.
This is just mathematical – just like when dividend payments are allowed, shareholders get two incentives. Increase their wealth through investing in companies for which they expect the underlying value of the shares increase, or invest in companies to bleed it off through dividend – and move on to the next one.
A Jew exists as under a capitalism with dividend payments, a Gentile who is part of a grounded nation, as under a capitalism without dividend payments. They could work together, and both build, but why build when you have the second strategy of just sitting there and bleeding the system dry through extraction of profit for oneself?
There is more profit in killing your competitors – cause then there is no one to share with – and Jewish power generally chooses that nihilism over cooperation. Dont believe me? Who does Israel cooperate with? Only those nations it controls through money and influence. How was the modern state born? Through influence and money. How does it want to solve the Palestinian problem? Paying them off – through money. The solution is so often money.
An eye for an eye, as within Jewish law, is just rent seeking. Claim you lost an eye, get money. This is the strategy of vulture capitalism bound to a faith. Doesn’t that hurt the faith?
Now you’ll split hairs and say every nation does this. And I agree – hairs do split, power works for itself often. But the Jewish nation does this much disproportionately to other nations. And when people ask why this is the case through history, and wish to understand – even if only so they can learn not to fall for the mistakes themselves, Jews generally have one response. Go on the offensive without self reflection, regardless of what is said, and beat down your opponent. Why this nihilistic strategy for a faith that claims it stands apart from nihilism?!
And the modern Israel does not offer Judaism a chance of reform away from that vulture capitalism, it reinforces it in fact. Because it was gained just by that same vulture capitalism Jewish power has operated by for millennia. Like giving candy to a kid and expecting them not to get fat and addicted to sugar.
Correct but I also support the likes of the non Jewish and otherwise very dubious characters Bill Clinton and Prince Andrew in their past sexual adventures with young women of child bearing age and sexual maturation whether they were teen whore or otherwise.
That picture of the young women smiling from ear to ear in the London home of Maxwell really shows just who is doing the exploitation here today and all she(and all the other teen whores on lolita island) had to do was say NO to these very wealth people but she didn’t and she clearly went through with the agreed upon business transaction between the two parties where ‘no one got hurt’ unlike when a thoroughly evil paedophile has a sexually immature child to commit a sexual act for example.
As a non paedophile(he correctly denied that he was ony)where is the evidence of children being on the island??) Epstein’s only real crime against ‘natural law’ which is far more important and critical to my argument than any twat in a wigs law in this scenario (if he was in fact a Mossad sexual blackmailer) was that he was a blackmailer and that is all and it is the greedy ex teen whores who are the only ones doing the exploiting of very wealth men long after all the $$$ for trips to the Mall have been spent.
Its the same with the ex Manchester City footballer Adam Johnson who was imprisoned for his sexual adventures with a 15 year old young lady and as long as the girl was a willing party which she very highly likely was then in natural law he did no wrong and his imprisonement for his non rape trial was the only real crime and it should be noted that until only very recently in Spain it was perfectly acceptable by the laws there to legally have sex after the age of 14 but no doubt pressure from other EU states changed that law.
You continue to show me your complete lack of understanding about’ life’ Nosey and all I can do is smile, like a parent smiles at their very young child that has much to learn.
you asked for an equivalent to numerical 9/11..and all I did was give one!!…7/7…Duh!.
What an idiot you are as you weren’t asking me about my theories on 9/11 and 7/7..
Lady????…what an assumptive fool you are…
Where were you Fran Taubman when the late Ignatiev said the “White Race must be Destroyed”.
There is no sense talking to Jews because their god told them to only give it but never to take it.
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A few weeks ago Israel’s health minister Yaakov Litzman claimed the coronavirus signified the coming of the Messiah:
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-israel-coronavirus-health-cure-1.8703719
He recently tested positive:
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-israel-health-minister-wife-diagnosed-with-coronavirus-mossad-chief-national-security-1.8732927
Another try
Read the book The Controversy of Zion by Douglas Reed, this documented book lays out the zionists hand in WWI and WWII and in stealing Palestine for the zionists, zionists are wreckers and destroyers and killers.
Even tho I criticize the actions of many jews, and I criticize Judaism, I think there are a lot of good stuff in Judaism. A lot of wisdom about a lot of things. All cultures and religions have something positive and something negative in my opinion.
I do not know if he was a fabrication or he was real but I do know that when Roman Legions moved in, Yahweh ran away and hid himself out of fear.
……disallowed for offside.
Ancient Mystics/Shamans could never have communicated with a ‘he man beast god with horns’ and nothing could be more absurd than that and It is just a fable told by an evil non mystic Jew.
Yet more ancient fake news for those without a proper understanding.
This is a pretty good read from an archaeological/forensic/academic perspective about the evolved belief in Judaism of both the concept of the Devil/Satan and monotheism:
“Do Jews Believe in the Devil?: Satan didn’t arise from Hell fully formed. The concept of an ultimate Evil One was apparently borrowed from the Persians and continued to evolve throughout antiquity”
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:vUocWm8puw8J:https://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/.premium.MAGAZINE-do-jews-believe-in-the-devil-1.6588731
“When the Jews Believed in Other Gods: The bible is rife with references to deities other than Yahweh: The prophets didn’t deny these gods existed, they just didn’t think Jews should worship them”
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:CYuqSU67WPMJ:https://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/.premium.MAGAZINE-when-the-jews-believed-in-other-gods-1.6315810
“How the Jews Invented God, and Made Him Great: The God of the Old Testament started out as just one of many deities of the ancient Israelites. It took a traumatic crisis to make him into the all-powerful creator of the world.”
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:eGt17CL1_FQJ:https://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/.premium.MAGAZINE-how-the-jews-invented-god-and-made-him-great-1.5392677
Not polemical and you come away actually learning something whether you necessarily agree with the conclusions or not.
Peace.
Rothschilds.
Major supporters of the Zionist project in both the USA and UK prior and post-WW1.
That’s enough. Doesn’t matter that they have “barons” by their names and move in high society.
A real tzadik this one.
Shalom Sister,
Whenever, I leave you for a while, sister your Light is overwhelmed by insincere Aaron and the Evil State of Israel. Israel is in lots of troubles and dimwits Netanyahu is full of hot air. He has been inflated by the 29 standing ovation of the House of Congress, who wanted to demean the Office of the Presidency because it was occupied by a Muslim nigger. Right sister?
And, then you keep of forgetting the Evils of Ariel Sharon who Elohim punished him by keeping in coma for a long, long time. Sister you forgot, “As Minister of Defense, he directed the 1982 Lebanon War. An official inquiry found that he bore “personal responsibility” for the Sabra and Shatila massacre and recommended that he be removed as Defense Minister. His role in the massacre led to him being known as the “Butcher of Beirut” among Arabs.”
Sister please don’t have such a short memory and don’t let your Light to be destroyed by EVIL. See the Christian Singer Honors Hezbollah in Stunning 2013 Concert Performance and almost all the audience is Christians too.
Blessed be Hashem!
Lol, Fran Taubmann with the soundtrack.
Dear AS,
I am surprised that you would write this. We have discussed the myth of supremacy many times. You seem like a very smart and pious dude. What you view as supremacy we view as nationalism. You are not viewing the subject of Jewish nationalism in proper context. Jewish Nationalism is only about Jews ruling themselves not ruling over others. Much of your thinking is clouded by your view of Judaism. You view Judaism thru the lens of Islam: an illegitimate faith that once represented gods desires, but were then transformed into a false people who are preternaturally evil, materialistic, self serving and a danger to the world.
The fact that you view Jews and Judaism in that light is the reason for Jewish nationalism, for the desire of Jews to control their own destiny with the ability to fight its adversaries. Judaism is the oldest monotheist faith, so it stands to reason that the two offshoots of Christianity and Islam would need to vilify Judaism to validate themselves. Surely you can understand why Judaism rejected the Trinity as idol worship and the Roman Catholic hierarchy which ran Europe in the middle ages reviled the Jews for not signing on to Jesus? These are common sense ideas, nothing wild or wooly.
Your views of Judaism is prima facia reasons why Jews want their own sovereign country. People view nationalism as self sustaining not in terms of domination. Brexit is a good example of a country that wanted to reignite their sovereignty against the EU collective. Many of the EU policies worked against British national interest. The desire for the UK to leave the EU is a nationalist desire having nothing to do with wanting to dominate others. Judaism has struggled under the subjugation form the other two monotheist religions. Where whimsy often dictated where Jews could live and work.
This is a different subject then Jewish sovereignty. What you view as the truth is subjective, others could view it as lies. A pathology of condemning the behavior of Jews and Israel similar to that of other countries is considered a double standard. It is a pathology of hate, Why not fight for Palestinian rights in Lebanon? Egypt gets 2 billion in aid, not what Israel gets but close etc., why not complain about that? What country in the world would not fight to defend its citizens from an onslaught of violent extremist, who throw bombs into civilian population? Why is Israel condemned for defending its citizens?
You get the idea. You may disagree with it, but it has validity more then domination and subjugation. This supremacy thing you keep throwing around is a lie, a bold face lie. An example:
I am a visual artist, I do not write or spell nearly as well as you. I am an inferior writer to you.
Look I am trying.
Salam Christine,
So, you basically view the TaNaKh has fabrications in it, thus casting doubting on the whole of OT. BTW, the chapter Isaiah in OT is not the last chapter of TaNaKh. Ask any Jewish person, and you will be told the Prophecies in Isaiah are not about Jesus, but the King of Babylon which already had come true much, much before Jesus. The Batula (she virgin), did give birth during the times of Morning Star, and btw Lucifer is not a Hebrew name.
We Shia believe like Jews that Creator cannot be creation (Jesus). According to Shia, everything we see is creation, including Time and Space. Even the Quran is created for his belief the Shia were always persecuted. Thus, God doesn’t have body, shape, form, spirit as they all occupy Space and are limited to Time. Only God is First and Last and we are mortals in between. I asked sister Fran if God is fearful, she taught I was trapping. So, she answered me that Elohim cannot control Evil. So, I told her that this is first time I have heard Dualism in Judaism. From my teachings of Judaism I know that Jews and Muslims believe God is creator of both Good and Evil. And, some of Jews and Muslims go extra length trying to explain it, why Elohim/Allah is the Creator of Evil.
You see fear is emotion. So, are the emotions created or not? Back to basic, that the Creator cannot be creation. The Christians belief is taken from Hindus. Hindus believe that there was Evil before God. Christians believe that Lucifer is responsible for all Evil. Hindus believe in Tri-Murti (three forms, three images…) and the Christians believe in Trinity. One will say that Hindus believe in umpteen Gods. No the Hindus are not pagans, they believe in One God, like the rest of us. One God and Tri-Murti, Goddess with three faces and six hands. The Hindu say that the God of both Judaism and Christianity is prejudiced (emotion) God who chose Jews and came only once to them as God (Son of God). They say why can’t God come over and over, on different people, different cultures, different races, different times. Why only one time, and on a certain culture?
Sister, if you read all the Good Books, they all teach Good Commandments, and they are not exclusive to only Jews and Christians. God owns us, we don’t own God! The Shia go as far as that before we are created it is hardwired in our instincts to know the what is Good and what is Evil. Sometimes, the wires get crossed, but you will find those who are atheists are very, very moral people too, they don’t need Good Book to tell them. Even animals, fish, plants and/or any life is hardwired in their instincts to know the Good from Evil.
eloh and ilah is the same noun. And, it is feminine noun. elohim is plural of eloh, and it as a plural it has to be three or more, and not like the plural in English which is two or more. eloh can be made plural but allah can’t. WHY? ha and al is definite article “the” in Hebrew and Arabic respectively. So allah is two words, al ilah. Because we don’t own God, therefore He/She/It doesn’t have a name, “I am, I am”.
Also, all the Semantic languages were grammatically not strong enough for writing. They didn’t contains vowels nor how to distinguish letters from each other. Quran is in Classical Quranic Arabic, which is rich in and full of grammar, vowels and so forth. Sister Fran agreed with me that the first TaNaKh was put to pen and paper, in the 10th century, heavily borrowing the grammar from Quran.
God is the Creator of all of us!
@christine #405
Since you self proclaim yourself as know it all (proper understanding) would you explain to us on what kind of beliefs he was elevated to a great philanthropist. He was a school dropout and in cahoots with Epstein. Nice philanthropist with a syringe in his hand.
https://twitter/status/1247464039183048704/ph.com/WozzaNoskioto/1
My question to Fran Taubman goes for you too. Where was he when Mr. Ignatief said that the white race must be destroyed.
He is exactly the reincarnation of Satan himself missioned to bring evil and nothing but evil on earth.
First let me advise you that your writing is unbearably long I can barely get thru it and truthfully it is a real turn off to try and discuss anything with you, your replies are exhausting.
To say that Jews are not a part of America is ludicrous. My father fought in WW2, my uncle lost his leg. Jews fought in the civil war. America is a Judo- Christian society. Mosaic Jures prudence, is the bases fro many Western laws for human rights.
I could go on and on but most of what you are writing is rot, to say we are an outside force of bad laws. Just bull shit. Not worth going any further.
Aaron. I am shocked. You are not acting in good faith, at all, at all. You know perfectly well that in Judaism only the killing of a Jew is “murder.” The killing of a non-Jew by a Jew is not only not “murder,” it is not even a crime, it is a mitzvot, a good deed.
There are nine amino acids that humans cannot produce. Virtually all plant foods can supply every one of them.
You shouldn’t hesitate to eat honey – bees are bugs.
Israel will destroy itself.
Jew is as Jew does.
Agree, the dimwits Netanyahu is destroying Israel as he wants to stay as King of Israel until his death. For almost a year with three elections, Israel only has a “care taker” toothless government. Most probably, they will be heading for the fourth election as there is so much strife in Israel. And, Trump is playing Netanyahu like a fiddle. Jared Kushner with his deal of the century, sold out Israel for billions given to him by Arabs to save his 666 Empire in New York!
Muslims never been in so much solidarity since the godsend Caliphate of ISIS…. And, all the forces of Islam are now battle hardened!
It does seem increasingly likely and also taking much of the Western world down with it. However, is it possible that while Israel is everything to some Jews, it is merely a useful tool to be used and then discarded by other “Jews” whose real goal is nothing short of world domination? Or is there no distinction?
Clearly, you are no lady! I assumed that you were a woman because in your comment history you state that you went on a date with a man who was very withdrawn. Perhaps you are a pillow-biter or even a chick-with-a-dick, I really don’t care which it is other than to say that your little brain-twirls and keyboard pecks on this thread reveal you to simply be nothing more than a troll.
Well, I don’t think most Westerners think of Jews as enemies. I was only referring to people on this site, which is not mainstream.
Relations between Jews and the white mainstream are obviously quite good.
I’m not in favor of all the anti-white stuff that goes on in the West today – I think its pretty awful.
But its mistaken to connect that with Judaism, the religion, and while ethnic Jews played a part, its larger than Jews or any single group.
Citation?
From my reading The Synagogue Of Satan were the Pharisees and Sadducees cults that jostled for political power.
Fuck off you POS Jew hater, a specific breed of which I especially detest. Those who pour thru Early Bonze age text for ridiculous contextual information specific to that time period into this period in time. Taking ideas from the Bronze age out of context to produce a disgusting and false image of Judaism and Jews for your own selfish reasons which have nothing to do with reality of Judaism and Jews.
Hate your primary motive, nothing of importance or valid historicaly, no desire to uncover truth. Your comments and comparisons are to propagate hate hate hate. You lie.
You are so inflicted with your own failure, failure to be socially or financially successful, you probably have no friends. Do you live in your parents basement.? You are a loser. A person inflicted with such pain that you need to reflect it on to others.
Jews are right now engaged in finding a cure for Covet 19. Many many Jewish scientist trying to help. What are you doing? Hating. So productive.
I hope one day you are critically ill and come across a Jewish doctor who may save your life and then see you spew you hate filled insanity towards them, and then die when they walk away from you.
Oh too bad you POS.
Fuck off with these stupid lies about Jews, that is what they are lies. Jews do not kill non Jews as a mitzvah.
Well, that’s just incorrect.
European civilization developed self-hating tendencies, and a general pessimism, before Jews became culturally influential.
It’s much larger than just Jews, although yes, Jews contributed.
Why Europe became self hating toward the end of the 19th century is a complex question – but it is clear that for many Europeans, life in an industrial society had became a drag. The literature is full of this attitude.
This was the result of large impersonal processes, changes in technology and thinking – it’s not that Europeans are at fault. Today, the Japanese, affected by the same impersonal processes, are in the beginning stages of the same attitude.
It would seem that, about 150 years after industrializing, a society begins to develop certain symptoms – it takes time for them to mature.
As for knowing your enemy, part of that is knowing his good points – demonizing your enemy, thinking him wholly motivated by malice and unlike the rest of humanity, is a sure way to misunderstand him – and lose to him. You want to enter into his psychology and see why he thinks he is acting good, and not motivated by malice.
For myself, I do this with regard even to the Nazis, who were clear enemies of Jews. I can easily think up several good things about their ideology. What’s more, I don’t think they were motivated by sheer incomprehensible malice – if their assumptions were correct, if Jews really were this force of Cosmic Evil, then the Nazis were acting as best as they could according to their understanding of the world.
I even think there was a legitimate “Jewish Problem” in Germany – Jews were too dominant, even if it was won through fair means, and even if this benefited German society as a whole. Just – the Nazi response was an extreme overreaction.
Rather, I see them as tragically unenlightened – and a good example of the dangers of Dualistic thinking, so prevalent on this site.
As a question of First Principles, the idea that any large group of people – ordinary men, women, children – are Cosmically Evil, and motivated by sheer malice, is an untenable hypothesis. It is a sure way to misunderstand the world, and lose to your enemies.
That’s right, but those foods cannot be assimilated.
Man is a carnivore, able to digest plant food in emergencies due to the vermiform appendix lacking in Obligate Carnivores.
Is there any reference to Jesus eating plant food? Doesn’t seem to be.
We’re omnivores…
“Apex Omnivore
Human beings are the top predators on the planet. People are omnivores, meaning we are consumers who eat vegetation (such as onions or tomato sauce), meats (such as pepperoni or sausage), other animal products (such as cheese), and other organisms (such as mushroom fungi.)”
https://www.nationalgeographic.org/encyclopedia/omnivore/
…but your point is taken; we have incisors – that should be the first clue that we were meant to consume a level of meat. Your reference to Jesus (pbuh) and his eating preferences is an excellent second clue.
Peace.
Wanna bet that Marcus there payed for that chicken thigh with his EBT?
Societies evolve over time. They grow strong. They weaken. I have no issue with this. What I take issue with is JSOs lobbying for decades to convince parliamentarians that flinging open the borders to mass immigration is in the nation’s interests. This is what JSOs have managed to do to Western societies. This is a traitorous act and needs to be remedied, ASAP.
It comes down to performing a SWOT analysis… strengths, weaknesses, opportunities, and threats. Everything else is subjective distractions.
Epstein’s lawyer, “I still have my underwear on” Allan Douchbagwitz, explained to everyone witnessing the Hanukkah reception at the WH that Jewry has been in a war against antisemitism for over 2,000 years. While JSOs have been heavily engaged in this battle, Edom has just awoken to this fact. We’ve been through this cycle 109 times…. looks like 110 is around the corner. The only question is: how many cycles are left before a winner is announced?
Sadly, there will be no winner.
There is no winner because there are no real cycles (of battle), only phantom cycles that your (and like minded peoples) intellect has conjured up to regulate the cruelty you feel by things that are beyond your control. You cannot control the outcome of immigration or the white race so you pretend there is a battle going on between JOS and the white race. It is a total made up fantasy. You have no real enemies but your out of control feelings. You have anxiety uncontrollable anxiety and you repeat the same mantra over and over again.
This battle only exist in your mind like a parallel universe on Star Trek. Every Jewish person I know is anti immigration. It just does not compute.
I’d believe you, Fran, but trouble is… I’ve read Prof. MacDonald’s Culture of Critique and it was chock full of Jewish sources providing irrefutable evidence JSOs were responsible for flinging open the floodgates to mass immigration.
Whom I’m I supposed to believe … you who spews endless hasbara on this site or the good professor who doesn’t have any apparent political axe to grind?
That’s because you’re hanging out with your fellow Chabad Lubavitchers. You’ve got to start schmoozing with the more liberal crowd. They’re the ones working overtime to open the borders… except for the Jewish state, that is! Funny how that works, huh?
I am surprised that you would write this.
No, you’re not. In fact, you believe you have it all figured out:
You view Judaism thru the lens of Islam: an illegitimate faith that once represented gods desires, but were then transformed into a false people who are preternaturally evil, materialistic, self serving and a danger to the world.
Now, obviously you haven’t been paying attention to what I write, nor do you seem to recall that we haven’t “discussed the myth of supremacy many times.” In fact, we haven’t discussed much at all.
But let’s say, for the sake of argument, what you write isn’t the falsification of my religion that it is. Let’s say I’m a raving, anti-Semitic, goosestepping, dynamite-strapped, ululating fascist seething with toxic vitriol for Israel. Even if this were so, it would not change the truth of what I’ve written concerning zionism one bit, since everything I’ve presented is corroborated not only by Talmudic interpretation, but by zionist conduct itself.
Here’s the thing … and it’s the actual reason I usually don’t bother with you …
You don’t really address what I write with any kind of compelling argument. Were you to actually engage the substance of what I write, that would be different, but your whole piece is nothing more than an attempt to blame my religion for an entirely objective observation, and you haven’t even done that convincingly.
Your attempt to separate the actions of Israel’s Lobby from zionism is equally flaccid, defending the indefensible effort to criminalize speech by mischaracterizing it as slander or libel while one judge after another cuts your unconstitutional legislation off at the knees. Why should I be required to focus upon the offenses of Israel’s neighbors when those polities receive their aid contingent upon making peace with Israel?
You get the idea.
What I get is the same old tired hasbara I’ve seen for over two decades online, and nearly three altogether. Oh, I’m sure you’ll keep it coming.
Have at it.
By the way, I’m not concerned with your talent as a writer. I’ve seen plenty of people make a solid case for themselves without waxing eloquent.
It doesn’t take poesy to make sense.
That may be true, but it is all I know. I am sharing the truth as I know it. That is all I have to offer. Al Jazeera is the opposite of hasbara. I do not see anything more then propaganda in the Islamic world.
Like you see Habara in the Zionist world.
Not directly but it has been in many of the discussions on threads we have shared. I think I know your position on supremacy. We Jews think we are superior.
What is wrong with making peace with Israel?
What outcome do you want?
I am not writing about Israels lobby or the anti BDS legislation. I am writing about the legitimacy of Israel. I am not involved in the lobby or the anti BDS legislation. Many people have written about why they think BDS legislation is not a valid form of protest. You can find this out on your own. It is compelling.
I am paraphrasing what you said about Judaism? They are not my ideas. This is what you wrote.
That we (Jews) are not the real deal?
Maybe that’s what the ((Jesuits)) or ((Scofield Bible)) tell you? And maybe it’s true – Pharisees is just another word for rabbi or Orthodox, and rabbis (ostensibly) and Orthodox worshiped the demonic beast Yahweh.
It’s pretty simple matter to find the passages. The one that is most telling doesn’t actually use the term “Synagogue of Satan”. It occurs in 8 John 31-47, where Jesus is speaking to Jews generally (i.e., non-Christian Hebrews), with the highlight:
Note in this case “father” has the meaning of god-father, not earthly father, and here Jesus is calling Yahweh “the devil” who “was a murderer from the beginning” with “no truth in him”. You might argue that he is speaking of the earthly father of these Jews, but he was speaking to a crowd, he did not know their actual fathers nor could he so generalize about all their actual fathers. He is clearly speaking about Yahweh.
Note also he says “you do not belong to God”, even though these Jews worshiped Yahweh.
Really? Funny how a tiny SAR-CoV-2 can make them cower in their basements like rats hiding from a cat.
Kevin MacDonald ‘s is like reading one person and obsessing over that one idea. There are many other ideas out there. Many. Others have written pretty brutally of MacDonald and challenge him. We have had this conversation before, which is why I write that you live in a pre determined fantasy. You look for writers that reinforce this fantasy not for objectivity. Kevin MacDonald is not an objective writer. He himself has admitted that he is in a fantasy world as well as you.
MacDonald comes out and says he does not like Jews. If you do not like Jews you make all the information fit a pro forma module. You say I need to hang out with more liberals, most of them are not Jewish. So you see I have disproved your logic. You are not into logic.
‘By the way, I’m not concerned with your talent as a writer. I’ve seen plenty of people make a solid case for themselves without waxing eloquent.
It doesn’t take poesy to make sense.’
It does take a defensible position, though. It’s hell proving two and two make five.
@my comment #413
https://twitter.com/WozzaNoski/status/1247464039183048704/photo/1
Sources, please.
lol! You wouldn’t know logic even if it smacked you upside the head.
Although, to be fair, it seems you’re not alone suffering from this deficiency:
“Logic was not given to the People of Israel on Mount Sinai, but handed down from Mount Olympus to the ancient Greeks. In spite of this drawback, let us try to apply it.” – Uri Avnery
Yup, fairly humbling.
Neither is mutually exclusive. Humans have been apex predators for a long time, at times hunting entire species to extinction. Disease often comes around almost as a check on our excesses and brings some balance back…since nothing else on the planet really can.
We are apex predators, not invincible.
Peace.
You wrote this shortly after writing this:
If you are not talking down to others and not showing a complete lack of humility, then is it a partial lack of humility?
If all is One as you say, there’s no place for getting angry or frustrated with others whose disagreement is verbal and without violence. You are reading words voiced in your head. They are you, and you remember a time when you were small and vulnerable and needed compassionate forbearance and grace to become wiser, more trusting, and more gracious yourself.
Right?
Thirty one years of the darkest period of US life is slowly coming to the end. The effort of American Jewery to tear this country to shreds is just about over, Mission not Accomplished.
The great designer is asking for last minute help from Billy the kid (Gates) but he in hot water himself and his lab may not be able to produce enough of the special BG vaccine.
One of the best takes on the situation (from a holistic and spiritual vantage point) thus far, in my opinion. Below the MORE tag, for anyone interested.
I suspect the true religious believers actually congregate, drink from the same chalice etc. and risk being jailed because it is in God’s hands whether we die or not and all those things are as nothing weighed against eternity.
The compromisers who accept social-distancing are essentially government suits.
I do not see anything more then propaganda in the Islamic world.
Which just reveals your laziness, your relegation of the argument to “I’m a Jew and you’re a Muslim, and that’s all there is to it.”
I don’t do that. If you examine my exchanges with Aaron, for example, you’ll find that I address his statements rather than his self-proclaimed identity. So when he cherry-picks quotes from Wikipedia articles, it’s usually simple enough to examine them in their proper context and analyze them accordingly. When he repeats a statement that — in my many years of dealing with this subject — I know to be Israeli state propaganda, I don’t just call it what it is. I demonstrate that it’s hasbara.
This is what you wrote.
More laziness.
This is what you get when you let others do your thinking for you.
I do not need to do this again. I sited sources once before. Just google. Refuting Kevin MacDonald and see what comes up. Many people have blown holes larger then the galaxy into his ideas. He is not a very respected scholar outside of WN circles. I can point out situations that refute his philosophy.
Distilling MacDonalds ideas that Jews work within their host countries to destroy them by challenging the power structure therefore destroying it and replacing it with immigrants and people of color. The destruction of the gentile white power structure by Jews in the West, is similar to the Russian revolution by Jewish Bolsheviks destroying the Christian Aristocracy and replacing it with godless communism., was done by the Jews from within.
Let me point out some situations that are antithetical to that idea about the Jews.
-Look at Europe for a moment. Angela Merkel was the one who let in all of the Syrian Refugees destroying the fabric of Germany. She is from the power structure and not Jewish. She is the Prime Minister of Germany.
-Similarly the EU has taken on immigration as the main issue, requiring countries in the EU to take in immigrants whether the want to or not. The immigration issue is the main reason for the breakup of the EU. European countries are loosing their national identity to secular globalism. The rulers of the EU are not Jewish. The policies are not run by Jews. The EU itself is the power structure. No one from the inside is brining it down.
-European counties were colonial and dominated countries like Algeria, India, are forced to take in immigrants from their former colonies. This phenomena has nothing to do with Jews. It is based on the former Imperial powers from European ‘aristocracy that destroyed itself. Feudalism run by nobilities to form Empires ruling 3rd world countries was never going to be a sustainable system It went down on its own nothing to do with the Jews. Rhodesia did not become Kenya because of the Jews. The destruction of white nationality in Europe is the direct result of the fall empires. These empires were not run by Jews. Empires were the ruling class not Jews, and Jews did not destroy it. The people living under the ruling class destroyed it. Secular globalism is a 3rd world phenomena not a Jewish one.
I could go on and on. But it is pointless because you are a WN who hates blacks, people of color, Jews etc. Your problem is a universal problem. No one will sign onto your ideas other then racist and bigots. You found a friend in Kevin Macdonald big deal. You are a racist bigot with or without him. All hate groups like yourself will parish. The long arc of morality will prevail Racism is immoral. I am sorry you feel that Whites Gentiles are going down as a group, but it is not the fault of the Jews, there are more of the others due to birthrates.
That’s certainly interesting, because Zionist orgs have been at the vanguard of propaganda against Islam and Muslims.
A case in point is this dude, Avi Lipkin, who makes an interesting assertion (after stating so nicely that he believes “Jews and Christians” are “my people”…melts one’s heart, doesn’t it) – well, I’ll let him speak for himself:
12:08 “Now Mike, my contention through my book is if WE JUDEO-CHRISTIANS get Mecca and Medina then we capture the flag and it is the termination of Allah who I say Satan and sending the devil to the pits of hell for a thousand years so this is a victory for the human race if we get Mecca and Medina.”
Now of course, he is not suggesting Israel do this alone, I mean going up against the entire Muslim world in a crazy scheme like that would be suicide….no, you see he’s got to sell this to the rest of “his people”, the “we Judeo-Christians”.
So, let’s do a little digging and see where else this guy has shown up and, man, this guy does a ton of rounds on these Bible & prophecy shows – and even has had appearances on Fox News.
So, who is this guy (who is trying to convince “Judeo-Christians” [really the West] into a full hot war with the entire Muslim world?
“Avi served in the IDF from February 1972 until January 1973 as part of the IDF Spokesman for the Judea and Samaria Command under Lt.Col Rafael Horovitz….and then as an officer in the IDF Spokesman’s Office from 1989 to 2001….Avi has appeared in over 1,000 churches and synagogues in the US, Canada, Mexico, UK, Norway, Finland, Holland, Belgium, Switzerland, Greece, Russia, Austria, Poland, and Faroe Islands as well as in Israel. Avi has appeared on hundreds of radio and TV shows worldwide including FOX & Friends….the newer four books appear under Dennis Avi Lipkin since he is running for the Israeli Knesset elections at the head of a Judeo-Christian Bible Bloc party called ‘Gush Hatanakhi’ in Hebrew.”
https://www.avilipkin.net/biography
You cannot make this stuff up…well, here’s hoping people in the West (especially church-going folks) start waking up to the propaganda that is being fed to them by men that have been trained as IDF spokesmen.
Wa salaam.
According to Fran Taubman gospel the patriots are bigots and Jews are the purveyors of truth. So says their god.
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and here doesn’t seem very happy leaving Putin’s office.
https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-july-13-2007-former-us-secretary-of-sate-henry-kissinger-right-and-22907778.html
You see Fran, some people don’t want to live like nomads in a globalist village.village.
I have challenged you many on specifically on the faulty scholarship of Douglas Reed, who is neither a theological scholar or historian, yet you use his ideas to formulate major critiques about the downfall of Judaism, after the tribes of Judah split off from the other tribes. Reed’s work is not shoddy scholarship it is total trash. He hates Jews so he constructs a story to match his hate. Real historians and theologians work back to front not the other way around. The seek the truth, and weigh all options, and formulate opinions.
Reed is a known racist against blacks and was pro South Africa apartheid.
I have also pointed out to you that the 1000 years between Judaism and Islam is bigger then just years. That particular time in history is murky and has less reliable records and archeology. There are many conflicting ideas about the history of Judaism.
You are a bit of a snob when it comes to intellectual challenges, to those who disagree with you, and much less rigorous for those who agree with your conclusions. You latch on to some pretty half baked racist ideas from Jew haters who pull there ideas out of their rear end.
You post things that I think are propaganda and I post things that you think is Hasbara, I am not being lazy I do not see any way to move forward if everything each of us says is viewed as BS.
Thank you for the exemplary case study. Priceless. Chilling. And there are hundreds more just like sweet, deceiving Avi. As Kevin MacDonald astutely observed: “The best deceivers are self-deceivers”. (This assumes that some of the hasbarists we’ve come to know actually believe a bit of what they spew. It’s hard to believe.)
Most post-WWII Americans (as well as countless Europeans) have been brainwashed by the 24/7 Zionist spin machine that envelopes the globe and never sleeps. Just turn on your TV or pick up a newspaper.
Not only are the Friends of Zion way overrepresented in mass media and entertainment, they see to it that their erstwhile critics are doxed, defamed, fired, harassed or deplatformed whenever possible. These scheming tribalists seldom miss a dirty trick. They distrust if not deplore Free Speech (see: ‘hate speech’) when it’s wielded by their adversaries. Rank hypocrites. Unscrupulous partisans.
‘Anti-Semitism’ is the strategically misnamed but fully understandable (and entirely appropriate) response to Jewish supremacy and organized Jewish warmongering.
That’s certainly interesting, because Zionist orgs have been at the vanguard of propaganda against Islam and Muslims.
It’s unquestionable that they’re the primary engine driving the anti-Islam offensive. The following article provides a fairly good overview of this phenomenon and is abundant with supporting evidence:
Anti-Muslim bigotry is being funded by the Israel-right-or-wrong crowd
Thanks for the info on Lipkin. Not likely to forget that name.
well, here’s hoping people in the West (especially church-going folks) start waking up to the propaganda that is being fed to them by men that have been trained as IDF spokesmen.
Here’s hoping they start waking up to it whether the purveyor is transparently zionist or not. I just read Whitney Webb and Raul Diego’s piece on “Dark Winter.” Many moons ago, stuff like this used to surprise me.
Not so much anymore.
was-salaam.
Kevin MacDonald so so flawed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_MacDonald_(evolutionary_psychologist)
Mixed marriages, who is a Jew? Grandmother? Great grandmother? So stupid.
I have challenged you
That’s odd, because I’ve never seen anything remotely challenging from you. Your argument against Reed could best be summarized as “He’s not a real scholar, plus he’s a racist,” completely devoid of any real engagement with the material he presents.
That’s not “challenging.” It’s just argument ad hominem — the very same approach you take to Finkelstein, Hedges, Weir, etc., etc., etc. It’s about as infantile as it gets.
You are a bit of a snob when it comes to intellectual challenges
Well, I just expect something more substantive than the name-calling tantrums you’ve thrown to date. If that bar is too high for you to reach, then you’re more than welcome to call me a snob.
Basically. The amazing thing about it is that they are quite open about their history; like being a part of IDF and even time as a military spokesman.
Yup. That’s the strategy. I mean if you reverse things, you see how ridiculous the situation is.
Say a Muslim born in the US decides to go serve in the military of Saudi, Egypt, Iran or any other Muslim country. And then serves over a decade in that military’s propaganda – I mean spokesman – wing. And then comes back to give lectures in over one thousand churches and mosques around the world and even on major network television talking about how we need to go to war with the enemies of said country as a “victory for the human race”. And on top of that, he is a politician of a party in that other country running to be elected IN THAT COUNTRY. Pretty unimaginable scenario if it was any other country.
When you label everything as “anti-Semitic” then the term simply starts to lose any meaning (which is one of the reasons I dislike terms like “Islamophobia”), and this is eventually the critical mistake that Zionism will make; they want to make it like anyone critical of their little bunker-state or its policies is some sort of closet-Nazi.
I have had conversations with Jews (that do not support Israel) who are fully cognizant and afraid that the stupid policies of Israel will eventually bring tragedy to them as well. My take on this is that we have to be willing to distinguish between your average Jewish person and men like Lipkin who are obvious war-mongering representatives of a foreign power and the people who fund and enable him.
Peace.
Nice post, though this …
‘Anti-Semitism’ is the strategically misnamed but fully understandable (and entirely appropriate) response to Jewish supremacy and organized Jewish warmongering.
… needs some clarification.
It isn’t inaccurate. In fact, it sounds wholly reasonable. However, one of our primary resident zionists has affirmed that were it not for anti-Semitism, he would not have returned to Judaism. Zionism depends upon anti-Semitism to advance its agenda (and this is understood both in the words of the late 19th Century/early 20th Century zionists and by the cozy relationship between upper echelon zionists and Nazis in negotiating the Ha’avara Agreement).
Where there is no anti-Semitism, they must produce it. As such, that response is one which we would be wise to avoid, that we not provide sustenance to the beast. If it can’t be helped, then at the very least, we have to hold our cards close to the vest.
Let’s stay focused on the issues. They don’t have a winning cause.
LOL, you can just see how ZioNazi Jew supremacists dominate Wikipedia. They just write the most idiotic and hypocritical garbage and if you try to correct it a whole swarm of them will descend down and undo any changes you made and seek to get you banned from editing privileges – the Jews have utterly destroyed the Neutral Point of View principle, all that is allowed is the ZioNazi point of view. As usual, Jews are organized in propagating their hate and lies.
Stay in school, or go back there Fran, and I’m not referring to yeshiva.
it is not just Wiki, don’t be ridiculous he is a professor others have blown his ideas out of the water. His concept of what a Jew is is completely subjective and does not follow science.
The University of California had distanced themselves from his findings, and MacDonald admits he just does not like Jews beyond his scientific work. If you want to prove blue is blue when you are looking at red it does not help if your favorite color is blue and you hate red. I mean he is suppose to be a scientist.
a comment for nonbelievers;
all sickness is caused by the fall (by fall I mean the sin of adam and eve) in the eyes of the believer. Pastor graham has it correct.
Whether this plague or that plague is caused by some unique failing thereby inviting God’s judgement is a hard call.
Corona is not the result of human misconduct, unless the conspiracy advances are correct.
One could point to venereal diseases as the direct consequence of relations out wedlock . . .
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While the believer is not to engage in behavior merely to test God, they are admonished not fear as a call to faith and that faith transcends all. Admittely a tall order, but there are people of faith, including some Jews who will natural be in conflict with the demands the world places on issues of health.
In the US, as an article of faith, it is my understanding that the Jeovah’s witnesses have won these tests of faith in the Supreme Court — apparently can only be violated if the the witness is unconscious an cannot be consulted. People of faith Christian scientists, are also noted to objecting to medical treatments demands of the state.
When you label everything as “anti-Semitic” then the term simply starts to lose any meaning (which is one of the reasons I dislike terms like “Islamophobia”), and this is eventually the critical mistake that Zionism will make; they want to make it like anyone critical of their little bunker-state or its policies is some sort of closet-Nazi.
If you or anyone else is interested, the Harvard Law Review presents a fairly thorough legal analysis of current anti-BDS legislation. From the Note’s introduction, we read
And at the Conclusion:
I have had conversations with Jews (that do not support Israel) who are fully cognizant and afraid that the stupid policies of Israel will eventually bring tragedy to them as well. My take on this is that we have to be willing to distinguish between your average Jewish person and men like Lipkin who are obvious war-mongering representatives of a foreign power and the people who fund and enable him.
Yes.
That’s where the temptation to give zionists the animus they so crave comes in. In so doing, we become no better than a foil for their design, evidence that supports their cause.
Justice, however, demands more than mirroring the conduct of the opposition.
was-salaam.
So I wonder which ethno-religious group was behind this inhumane, callous maneuvering?
“The United States opposes Iran’s request for a $5 billion emergency loan request from the International Monetary Fund (IMF) to help it cope with the coronavirus pandemic” – a U.S. State Department (aka Zio-central, even the U.N. Secretary General’s spokesperson is from State) spokesman told Al-Monitor.
https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2020/04/intel-us-oppose-emergency-covid19-loan-iran-imf-coronavirus.html
Powerful refutation, Fran! lol
Prime Minister, huh?
Not according to the highly respected rabbi, David Bar-Hayim:
Why is Antisemitism on the Rise?
It’s a very short video, Fran. You should watch it. The good rabbi comes clean and pins the blame on secular Jews for putting western nations on the “chopping block.”
Hashem have mercy you didn’t!
I hate greens and purples too, Fran!
If you’re such a universalist, Fran, why don’t you support all the schvartzes of sub Saharan Africa entering the Jewish state, huh? You some kind of racist/Nazi or something?
Rich coming from an ardent Zionist who is a big defender of an ethnostate that is to be the exclusive home of the Jews, only!
Not according to Barbara:
I highlighted the key phrases, Fran, just for you so you wouldn’t miss what role Barbara acknowledged Jews would play in the “huge transformation.”
In short, while I would give your comment an A for effort, Fran, I’m afraid I’d have to give it an F for quality.
You showed me this video before, you recycle the same shit with the same smirk and snark.
You are boring, pro forma boring. What do you think of the Muslims? Why not get into it with them? Do you view them as white? Are they allowed to immigrate here according the WN creed?
I have the book The Conspiracy of Zion by Douglas Reed and consider it one of the most important books I have ever read and it is completely documented front to back about the zionist control and threat to humanity.
You are such a complainer.
Ad hominem? Finkelstein, Hedges and Reed: All of them level ad hominem accusations about Jews, and Judaism. There is no scientific proof of what Reed asserts.
Take just one portion of Reeds Kahzar theory. It has been disproven by DNA.
https://www.thedailybell.com/all-articles/news-analysis/anti-semitism-douglas-reed-and-zion/
https://forward.com/opinion/382967/ashkenazi-jews-are-not-khazars-heres-the-proof/
https://mosaicmagazine.com/picks/history-ideas/2017/09/the-theory-that-ashkenazi-jews-are-descended-from-khazars-is-junk-science/
This is not ad hominem?
Do you believe all of what Reed writes about the Pharisee conspiracy? I guess one persons ad hominem is another persons facts. I do agree with your assertion that all of this internet Jew hate is destructive giving sustenance to the reverse the anti-semitic theories.
Where there is no anti-Semitism, they must produce it. As such, that response is one which we would be wise to avoid, that we not provide sustenance to the beast. If it can’t be helped, then at the very least, we have to hold our cards close to the vest.
Ad hominem? Finkelstein, Hedges and Reed: Level ad hominem ideas about Jews, and Judaism. There is no scientific proof of what Reed asserts.
Take just one portion of Reeds Kahzar theory. It has been disproven by DNA.
https://www.thedailybell.com/all-articles/news-analysis/anti-semitism-douglas-reed-and-zion/
https://forward.com/opinion/382967/ashkenazi-jews-are-not-khazars-heres-the-proof/
https://mosaicmagazine.com/picks/history-ideas/2017/09/the-theory-that-ashkenazi-jews-are-descended-from-khazars-is-junk-science/
This is not ad hominem?
Do you believe all of what Reed writes about the Pharisee conspiracy? I guess one persons ad hominem is another persons facts. I do agree with your assertion that all of this internet Jew hate is destructive causing the the reverse anti-semitic theories.
I hear you. I think that we’re pretty much on the same page. Allow me to explain the reasoning behind my disdain for the tendentious term ‘anti-Semitism’.
If not for Jewish propaganda, the rational, appropriate, and well-earned sentiments of gentile suspicion and aversion towards Jews (and especially organized Jewry) would be described as simply being ‘anti-Jewish’. This term is accurate, fair and neutral. Any conflict between groups should be viewed without bias and free of any prejudicial terms.
But the term (and very accusation) of ‘anti-Semitism’ exonerates Jews before the debate even begins.
Why should Jews be allowed to employ a one-way semantic weapon (‘anti-Semitism’) whenever they find themselves in conflict with outsiders? ‘Anti-Semitism’ is a loaded and libelous expression.
As it turns out, aversion and suspicion of organized Jewry is a rational defense mechanism. Nothing more. This aversion however is not inherentlyevil. It is certainly not the same as initiating violence. Yet Jews have conflated the two.
Jews constantly award themselves the unique privilege (via Hollywood and MSM) to depict and proclaim themselves as blameless victims within the context of ‘anti-Semitism. But this narrative does not always jibe with the facts. Yet they get away with it. People are scared. This is why we must do away with this ugly and deceptive term. It allows both Jewish bullying as well as Jewish malfeasance.
Jew-wariness (misnamed ‘anti-Semitism) is actually a reasonable reaction to the depredations (and supremacist beliefs) of Jewry. Their depredations have caused–and continue to cause–widespread damage in America as well as on the world stage. Millions have died, whole nations have been destroyed. Other cultures and peoples are now being threatened and harmed. Yet those who speak out against this pattern have become the bad guys. Crazy.
Responding negatively to the lethal conduct of organized Jewry is actually the right place to be. But the theory of ‘anti-Semitism’ does not allow this. It is a canard of the highest order.
You can see the fruits of Jewish deception and manipulation in lethal US policies abroad. Incredibly, these modern crimes are either forgotten, forgiven, or sanitized on TV, radio, and in print.
Crypto-Zionist campaigns have caused massive suffering, going back to WWI as well as the origins and spread of the spread of communism. But pointing this out is considered ‘anti-Semitic’.
Who managed to turn plain truth into race hatred?
Kevin MacDonald explores the phenomena of artful Jewish subversion and deception with great insight in his monumental work, ‘The Culture of Critique’.
For a concise exploration of MacDonald’s groundbreaking synthesis, check out the outstanding book review below. MacDonald’s paradigm easily shatters the hollow calumnies concocted by Israeli apologists (including Zionist-infiltrated Wikipedia).
Highly recommended:
https://europathelastbattle.wordpress.com/2017/10/17/book-review-the-culture-of-critique/
“https://europathelastbattle.wordpress.com/2017/10/17/book-review-the-culture-of-critique/’
Oy,
I have not read the work by Dr. McDonald, but I cal tell you with certainty, if he is not making a distinction between the varying sects of Jews, especially as it pertains to those Jews actively participating in the societies in which they live, then his premise is deeply flawed as are your own comments.
The jews who engage in argument regarding social change are not the same jews who seek separation from the same. In other words, those jews who advocate for equal law enforcement or equal justice practices for a community at large would not be the same one’s demanding separation — more than likely just the opposite.
Linking the Jewish faith as related to the Torah which define who is a Jew and what constitutes jewish belief does not by definition, include Jews, who advocate for the normalization of same sex behavior —-
those are Jews of a wholly different cloth.
‘… My take on this is that we have to be willing to distinguish between your average Jewish person and men like Lipkin who are obvious war-mongering representatives of a foreign power and the people who fund and enable him…’
The difficulty is that there’s not a clear dividing line.
It would be easy if it were only a matter of ‘good Jews’ like Max Blumenthal on the one hand and obvious Zionist shills like Lipkin and our own Fran ‘n Aaron show on the other.
But that’s not the situation. There’s every possible shading in between; Jews who want an Israel that’s still there but tries harder to be nice, Jews who attack Israel but shy away from actually calling for its dissolution, Jews who just avoid the topic, and so on.
I’m beginning to veer toward the attitude that this shouldn’t be my problem. Most Jews support Israel to at least some extent; shouldn’t the default assumption be that if someone is Jewish, and not a member of some group that inarguably doesn’t support Israel, such as Satmar or Nuterei Karta, then he is an Israel supporter?
At this point, if a Jew wants to identify as Jewish but not be regarded as a supporter of Israel, isn’t it up to him to make his position plain? Why should I be the one to agonize about it?
‘…You some kind of racist/Nazi or something?’
Well, to answer on Fran’s behalf, yes, she is. Zionism is certainly ‘some kind of racist/Nazi’ ideology, and I’m sure Fran would proudly declare herself to be a Zionist.
Jew-wariness (misnamed ‘anti-Semitism) is actually a reasonable reaction to the depredations (and supremacist beliefs) of Jewry.
Here’s where I propose a more comprehensive meaning and application of the term “zionism.” Zionism does not include those religious elements of Judaism identifiable by most of us as either harmless or beneficial, such as modesty in appearance, charity, and avoiding conduct corrosive of family life. Rather, it is a deviant permutation of Judaism advocating, among other things, the inherent racial supremacy of Jews.
It is this phenomenon that underlies those depredations by which you’re reasonably repelled.
I would go so far as to say that the “Scribes” of Jeremiah 8:8 were, by definition, among some of the earliest actual zionists.
Take just one portion of Reeds Kahzar theory. It has been disproven by DNA.
Well, no, not exactly. The jury is still out:
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fgene.2017.00087/full
Just to spare you time, I’m aware of the attacks on the Das et al study, though at the end of the day, there’s still no consensus, so the best we can say is “inconclusive.”
We also have to remember that Reed had completed Controversy in the mid-1950s, so the data he had available was much different than it is now; moreover, even if that particular claim were disproven, this wouldn’t undermine the integrity of the work itself.
This is not ad hominem?
Correct. Argument ad hominem occurs in an argument between two parties. It is an attack upon the character of an opponent as opposed to the substance of his argument. The term doesn’t apply where you imagine it does.
Do you believe all of what Reed writes about the Pharisee conspiracy?
Now there’s a good question.
I would say that, rather ironically, Scripture itself provides evidence of the Scribes’ falsification of the Law:
It’s certain that Israel was fractured after Solomon, that Nebuchadnezzar set fire to every thing in Jerusalem, that he took Israel captive to Babylon, that Hebrew was outlawed in Babylon, that there would be no restoration of any Scriptural record until Ezra, and that even that record was kept in the exclusive custody of the Scribes and Pharisees — not one of the layfolk could even touch it.
All of this is established history, and all of it must be considered when examining Reed’s claim.
I certainly have my own view. It isn’t identical to Reed’s, though Reed is rather helpful in providing many well established, factual details concerning the history of Israel.
I must say … That response was better — not exactly enough by which to discount Controversy of Zion or redefine argument ad hominem, but definitely better than your usual shtick.
You might want to remember to calm down enough to avoid compulsively copying-and-pasting the same material twice, though. Comes off a bit “rattled” to most of us.
@ Fran Taubman
This is Iran before 1979. Then the jews came and brought Homeini from Paris to enrich the country with multiculturalism. You know, the kind they practice so well in Israel.
https://mobile.twitter.com/tooedit/status/1180840680634978304
Why don’t you tell AS about MacDonald’s views on Islam. This is hilarious a WN preaching MacDonald to a Muslim. I guess that’s how evil works.
You forgot the punch line. You blame Jews for allowing immigrants like the two Muslims congresswomen Tailb and Omar to come into the country. MacDonald wants a white Christian European country. Come clean Mark let’s not hide behind a little reverse shuffle.
Tell our Muslim friends what you think of a Pakistani
Muslim like Talha living in the US.
And you AS dreaming of a call to prayer someday in the US. Yes sir. Check out your hero MaxDonald on that one. Look at his Twitter account and cry your eyes out.
So immediately following your research into Zionism. Check out White Nationalism, you may become a little more Jew friendly.
“It’s not a matter of what is true that counts, but a matter of what is perceived to be true”. Kissinger.
Fran is marching to his orders, plus Eli Weasel’s who said about the holohaux IT WAS REAL IN MY MIND.
I apologize for that, Fran. I promise to do better next time.
Look goy, a squirrel!
I’m someone who tends not to focus on the symptoms of a situation, but the underlying or root causes. As the good rabbi and Barbara admit, Jewish Supremacist Organizations (JSOs) are primarily the root cause of what is ailing the West.
More and more people are coming to this realization, Fran… notwithstanding your feeble attempts to deny, deny, deny!
Why not be a little more forthcoming (like the good rabbi and Barbara) and embrace the truth, Fran?
Like the good rabbi, you should be denouncing the evil work perpetrated by these organizations… for there will most certainly be a day of reckoning.
Agree, anyone who wants to see the truth just google and read the Protocols of Zion and read the book The Controversy of by Douglas Reed, can be had on amazon.
See new
Look goy a squirrel fro. Your hero MacDonald.
Actually they haven’t at all, Dr. MacDonald has some very good observations, not so different from our own Mr. Atzmon.
The fact is the liars and hypocrites attack him as they constantly attack truth. But attacking a truth does not make it false.
As so “science”, no social sciences are actually science. It’s not the law of gravity or thermodynamics. But in general he is spot on, as have been countless scholars over the centuries who have observed the obvious extreme ethnocentrism founded on diabolical supremacism that defines Judaism or, more specifically, the perfidious Jew cult.
As to MacDonald not liking Jews, that would be interesting (where is the source for that), but certainly not a critique of his work. Nobody likes maggots or cancer but they can still be studied objectively.
You probably think I don’t like Jews personally either, but that’s far from the truth, I’ve had a lot of Jewish friends in my life, sometimes very close ones, though obviously not the ones who get offended if you ever question Jewish “chosenness”, Jewish supremacism and ZioNazism. You see, the world is not as black and white as you may think.
Wonder what our resident Muslims think about their Kevin MacDonald playmates?
Sorry, Fran. Not going to participate in your feeble attempts at “Divide & Rule” … trying to get us to focus on the symptoms, instead of the cause.
As far as I’m concerned, all of the goyim are in this together. That’s why I urge all of the goyim of the world to unite!
Well you have not looked very far. Just google Refuting Kevin MacDonald. You do not have to be a scientist to get past some pretty basic faulty assumptions MacDonald makes. Like who is a Jew?
A liberal multiculturalist pro immigration person named Bernstein, who had a non Jewish mother and a father who had a non Jewish mother and converted, is that person still a Jew?
Like Marx was a convert. You see where this gets sticky. Below from Wiki.
What I was pointing out was the cozy relationship between the KMac fans AKA white nationalist to the Muslims on this site. Watching AS cheer on and agree with Mark Green and observing Geo dance around by saying he is going to the source of the problem the Jews, not reacting to Muslims per say here on UR. So these two ideologies can get along when Jews and Judaism are your enemies. To say that Muslims and WN make strange bedfellows is comical.
I do not think that people like AS really have taken in the full scope of people like KMac and his ideology, as he is so blinded by his desire to intellectually take Jews down who better then Kmac. If Kmac and his followers every got into power the first people to go would be the Muslims and I mean fast.
Here some of KMacs observations about Jews and Muslims, entitled The Holocaust to promote Muslim Migration.
https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2016/01/29/using-the-moral-capital-of-the-holocaust-to-promote-muslim-migration/
[Addendum]
Of interest to the Khazar Hypothesis:
Responding to the criticism for Das et al. (2016)
Regardless of one’s views on this highly politically-charged subject, it’s actually a distraction. For the sake of argument, if we were to accept that a percentage of Ashkenazim were of Levantine origin, it wouldn’t legitimize the zionist endeavor to gain control of the Promised Land one iota, as such descendancy, of itself, does not provide any imprimatur of legality to that claim. Even the record of Scripture includes stipulations by which Israel is divested of its inheritance, and as it has repeatedly violated those stipulations, it cannot rightfully lay claim to possession of the Promised Land.
This is why we have Haredim who are, by definition, anti-zionist, since they understand that any endeavor to force God’s Hand in restoring Israel to the Promised Land is itself a violation of His Word. This was the normative view in Judaism for centuries before the 20th.
Does not matter. All is mute. Israel the nation state of the Jewish people. Nothing could be more fruitless to question at this point, then the right of Jews to return to their homeland. The only way to defeat Israel is to gather an army to fight to the last man standing. Asking the world to support your idea of rightful ownership is not going to get it done.
BTW I have had a DNA test. 90% form the ME, almost 0 from Europe. Same with my entire family.
Again, because certain people are on my ignore list, it is interesting to see glimpses of what they are saying or exactly which direction they are trying to take things.
To find out what a Muslim thinks, one has to think about the situation from a Muslim perspective and an Islamic-oriented framework. We (at least the traditional-minded Muslims that I come from) simply do not think like a minority whose goal is to be comfortably protected and ensconced in power (that does seem to be the lesson some SJW-minded Muslims have learned from others). That is not our discourse. Dr. Shadee Elmasry describes it fairly well:
Our agenda is to do dawah (invite) to Allah. What is the point if everyone accepts you and they still don’t accept Allah? Are you happy?…It’s a very selfish mentality that “we want us to be safe.” No, we don’t care about ourselves – we care that people believe in Allah (The Exalted). If that means we have to suffer a little bit in the process that’s worth the cost. Because we the the the whole “phobia” thing and “acceptance” thing and “don’t judge” mentality is all for people who…who, they’re fighting for the dunya (material/worldly life). They want others to accept them so they have a good life. This is not our agenda, our agenda is to call people to Allah (The Exalted).
And the Islamophobia thing is what many SJW-minded Muslims have fallen into due do forgetting their purpose and being far too concerned about their material well-being/status and not wanting to lose it.
While I totally understand that men like MacDonald (and even people around these parts) do not want Muslims around and dislike us (as is their right to declare so), THE biggest adversaries Muslims have, bar-none, in calling people to Islam are the massively-funded Zionist or Israeli-first organizations who churn out falsehood after falsehood about the religion, 24/7. My modus operandi has always been to engage people in a civil manner who are civil to me in return, regardless of the views they hold that I disagree with.
So, if I’m going to oppose anybody first – as a matter of priorities – based on MY agenda, it’s going to be the Zionists, without a second thought.
Peace.
Correction: Israel is the nation state of the Jewish people
Like I wrote previously, “the liars and hypocrites attack him as they constantly attack truth. But attacking a truth does not make it false”.
So your next step is to point out the obvious, that there are persons who are mixed Jewish, as well as persons who are fully Jewish but assimilated or marginally attached to the Tribe/Cult. So what? You can say the same thing about Christianity, Japanese, etc. If one were to take your suggestion seriously, one could not say anything about any group of people. But of course you don’t believe that, as you are extremely judgmental yourself – you just try to raise hypocritical, absurd points as a (quite pathetic) debating technique.
Karl Marx? A convert? His father was a fucking rabbi.
The Wiki language you quote is utter nonsense and has nothing to do with Dr. MacDonald’s writings. Like I have written, ZioNazis are fervent liars and deceivers.
But to put you to the test: please source the MacDonald material for his alleged proposition that “Jews promulgate scientific hypotheses because they are Jewish”. Let’s see how close these “critiques” hold up to scrutiny.
It is hardly true that all those who think MacDonald has some important and valid points are WNs. Far from it. Far more true is the fact that Jews are Jew nationalists / supremacists, yet they still find time to pretend they give a shit about Muslims while their co-tribalists murder them by the millions (and, of course, if you critique those co-tribalists, well, obviously you are an “anti-Semite”).
That one is truly hilarious, as statistically Muslim men have far fewer of them (whether child sexual abuse, rape or adultery) than, say, White Christian men.
Wrong, his grandfather was a Rabbi, his father converted and Marx himself remained Christian Exactly what I am talking about. Who is a Jew.
I do not know why you are refuting me with those quotes about Muslim men those are from KMac.
Many scholars have refuted KMac’s argument. His work falls under the title of scholarship. Are you ignorant. Many of his principle argument do not stand up to control testing with specific groups. Many scholars have written against what he says.
Marx was born on 5 May 1818 to Heinrich Marx (1777–1838) and Henriette Pressburg (1788–1863). He was born at Brückengasse 664 in Trier, a town then part of the Kingdom of Prussia’s Province of the Lower Rhine.[22] Marx was ethnically Jewish. His maternal grandfather was a Dutch rabbi, while his paternal line had supplied Trier’s rabbis since 1723, a role taken by his grandfather Meier Halevi Marx.[23] His father, as a child known as Herschel, was the first in the line to receive a secular education. He became a lawyer with a comfortably Upper middle class income; in addition to his income as an attorney, the family owned a number of Moselle vineyards. Prior to his son’s birth, and after the abrogation of Jewish emancipation in the Rhineland,[24] Herschel converted from Judaism to join the state Evangelical Church of Prussia, taking on the German forename Heinrich over the Yiddish Herschel.[25]
It is not divide and rule it is more like compare and contrast. It is interesting that Muslims would favor WN over Zionist. Supremacy of white Christian culture being the operative word for whites wanting to rule. The theory behind WN.
All of the most liberal people I know including those in favor of transgender rights etc, major SJW are non Jews, Anglos that have been here since the mayflower. I went to an Anglo boarding school where there were like 2 Jews, all of them flaming liberals.
I have also never heard a Zionist speak poorly of Islam or Muslims outside of the Jihadist in the ME, like Hamas, Hezbollah, and Iran. To Talha’s point that he favors WN over Zionist because Zionist speak 24/7 lies about Muslims? Where? Yet most of the WN I know go non stop about Muslims towel heads and Islam with horrible invectives. It all seems so heart breaking in a way.
Hi Talha. I always enjoy your comments. Don’t be concerned about Kevin MacDonald. He harbors no irrational ill-will towards the Muslim world. While it’s clear that MacDonald does favor America’s retention of its Christian and European-derived core, he is not fanatically anti-Muslim like some. MacDonald understands all-too-well the insidious role played by Zionists in destabilizing the Middle East, since most Western intervention there over the past 75 years has been choreographed around empowering Israel and weakening that nation’s foes.
As far as I know, MacDonald views Muslims with some sympathy since they, too, have been victimized by the global Zionist movement.
Indeed, if not for crypto-Zionist chicanery–which has destabilized/ruined Iraq, Libya, Iran, Lebanon and Iran (not to mention Palestine)–the so-called ‘Muslim invasion’ of the West would never have occurred. Zionist-engineered military aggression has caused much of the global immigration disaster. The victims have been Christian nations as well as (surviving) Muslim refugees; but not Jews–and certainly not Israel.
When it comes to subversion and actual cultural incompatibility, Zionist Jews are in a class by themselves.
Your typical ignorant tripe. Yes, I miswrote father instead of grandfather, but it turns out both his grandfathers were Jewish. As the somewhat more reliable (than Wikipedia) Encyclopedia Britannica puts it:
So his father was a crypto-Jew, his mother a Jew. Granted, I think Marx actually transcended his Judaism, i.e., was not a Jew supremacist, and accordingly he could write in his “On the Jewish Question” essay that the liberation of the Jew required the liberation of mankind from Judaism. Clearly, if he were a Jew supremacist, he would not have concluded this. But then again, I never claimed he was, it was you who claimed he was a “convert”. He certainly wasn’t a Christian either, he was an atheist, so your “conversion” is more like “he did not identify as a Jew”. Personally, I do not know if MacDonald would consider him a Jew or not, but I am quite sure that in general he thinks Jews can assimilate and stop being Jews.
I wasn’t refuting you, cupcake.
I’m still waiting for proof that MacDonald claimed that “Jews promulgate scientific hypotheses because they are Jewish”. Since you are so much smarter than me, in your mind, and know how to use Google, maybe you can actually back up your assertion? You see, I love these types of lander cases, because the credibility of the accuser can be judged as MacDonald’s writings are publicly available. Now, to help you, I will note that the slanderer was referring to MacDonald’s Culture of Critique series. So, prithee, do show us where MacDonald makes that claim in that series.
I disagree. It’s not a question of like or dislike. It’s all about having a secure homeland. The West was predominantly populated by ethnically European peoples until a very determined, well-organized, and well-funded ethnic minority lobbied hard, through their Jewish Supremacist Organizations, to open the borders to mass immigration. The common people were never asked and they never agreed to this treacherous deed. Therefore, it needs to be reversed.
Actually, I regard white nationalists and current day Muslims as being pretty much on the same spiritual spectrum, and natural allies.
Obviously they would tear each other apart the moment they could – but each group has a tendency toward extremely vicious internal fighting anyways, so that wouldn’t change much. Both groups suffer from a massive human capital problem.
Islam is a declining civilization – I don’t think it will be much of a long term threat to anyone. White nationalists represent the most morally degraded elements of the West.
However, Islam will likely retain some vitality as a spiritual tradition that appeals to – and helps tame – a specific type of temperament: angry, resentful, vindictive, prone to violence.
So insofar as white nationalist types can be spiritually elevated, Islam is best suited to help these poor people. And these people are a net drain on the civilization of the West – when the West eventually becomes revitalized, it will be from an internal revolution on the Left, where the human capital resides.
And Islam seems satisfied to focuse on “numbers”, as far as I can tell, at the expense of quality – so they feel good about themselves.
So I see it as a net positive to “reshuffle” the world’s populations in this manner. Evidently, Islam is actively recruiting from the lowest elements of the West – contrast this with Islam at its beginning, when it managed to appeal to the best elements of the societies it conquered.
Those days are long gone.
For my part, I actively and regularly encourage white nationalists on this site who I consider to be of the right temperament, to convert to Islam. I even encourage Jews like Atzmon to do so. It is good for them, good for us, good for Islam, and good for the world.
I honestly haven’t followed the man much; I’m not much into the details of his work or his opinions, so I’ll have to take your word for it.
I can totally understand this most people are not cool with their countries or way of life being overrun by others or their culture. I understand fully why people don’t want tons of Muslims from foreign lands in the West. To me, I’m also fine with stopping immigration completely because I personally see it getting in the way of my agenda; namely, as long as Islam is always associated with foreign people, it will be considered “those other people’s” religion and have a tougher time going native among the populations in the West.
That is good, I fully respect the perspective of “don’t invite, don’t invade”.
Yup.
Yup. Not to mention ancient Christian communities of those Muslim lands which may or may not be able to recover.
Peace.
Totally get it. See my response to Mark.
Peace.
I can not understand this paragraph. But there was a major paper written against MacDonald by Nathan Cofnas, arguing against (see parts quoted below) Culture Critique.MacDonald then rebutted Cofnas as published on UR. You can also here an interview of the two of them on Youtube.
Cofnas is studying philosophy at Oxford here he summarizes his entire exchange with MacDonald.
http://nathancofnas.com/debate-with-kevin-macdonald/
Here ares some highlights form Cofnas which make eminent common sense logic to me.
I am a visual artist and not a Social Scientist or Philosopher but you and I do not have to travel one inch beyond our own discussion NP with regards to Marx to punch some big holes in KMac.
I keep asking you. Who is a Jew? You NP admit that Marx transcended being a Jew. His father converted. Is he a Jew? He did not consider himself a Jew and wrote rather a scathing critique of Jews in his essay “The Jewish Question”. Despite all of that he is a major contributor in the revolution of the ruling class with communism and marxism. He is exactly who MacDonald is referring to as a Jew with outsized influence on culture revolution. And for all practicality MARX IS NOT A JEW He is conveniently a Jew for those who need a scapegoat to fit their its all the fault of Jews
I’m not reading your alternate critics, I asked you to prove your previously claim, which you continuously refuse to do – thereby tacitly admitting your claim is a flagrant lie.
Once again, you asserted that MacDonald claimed that “Jews promulgate scientific hypotheses because they are Jewish”. I am, for the third time, asking that you substantiate that specific claim, not meander off into hundreds of other claims I am obviously not going to spend the time refuting. Even if I were to do so, you would just change the subject and tomorrow repeat the same lies, I know slanderers like you, you don’t care about truth one bit.
So, proof, please, that MacDonald claimed that “Jews promulgate scientific hypotheses because they are Jewish”.
Well observed. The best white people and Westerners are on the left. Energetically at least, if not morally.
Creativity, energy, daring are a priori change agents and therefore left. The right attempts to win on conservative principles or moral principles. But it’s not that the left lacks moral principles, it’s just that so much change is occuring, the left hasn’t been able to put together a coherent moral philosophy. But that will come.
Yes, I regard the Left as very confused, very much in flux, and very corrupted – but it is obviously the heir to the great moral and intellectual traditions of the West, and attracts the best human capital.
The current confusion and decadence in the West will not last forever – and when it changes, it will be a revolution from within the Left.
I did not write that sentence A guy by the name of Steven Pinker wrote that it is from a Wiki piece. I sited that in my post. I am not a Social Scientist. Did I tell you that? I do not even understand the what that line really means. If you are hung up on that you are totally a lost soul. Slander? You call scholarship slander. So you have a one track mind, not able to hold opposing points of view. A dullard.
Those two groups teaming up shows the desperation. The fact that a Muslims citizen would cow tow down to a WN is sickening.
I will never understand what Talha said
I have never heard one Zionist disparage the religion of Islam or Muslims outside of the fight to defend Israel from Jihadist like Hamas, Hezbollah, or Iran. Arab Muslims living with Jews that have no fight with Jewish sovereignty are very simpatico with Jews and Christians. Civilized societies demand respect for one another. Jihadist love death and destruction. That is what they say. Listen to them.
Blaming the Zionist for a the bad Islamic PR problem is an irrational blame game. What falsehood after falsehood?
It is like you mentioned before the Palestinian problem is a vanity issue, nothing more then “We don’t want you here”. Case closed.
Wikipedia is not a credible source, please try harder.
Of course not, but you presented it multiple times as a valid scholarly critique of MacDonald. So, show it is valid, my fourth request.
So you present slander as a true “debunking” of MacDonald, accusing me of being too stupid to get it, but you don’t even know what the slander means? Why am I not surprised?
I’m a lost soul because you are unable to support your unfounded accusations? I think in reality that makes you the lost soul.
No, I don’t, but those ZioNazi hatemongers you quote are not scholars, and they do engage in slander (malicious lies). Just because someone works at a university does not make them a scholar, esp. not the ZioNazis who get there to support the ZioNazi agenda and not for any other reason.
Actually are a lying, stupid, malicious, pathetic ZioNazi bitch. Now that is not slander because it is 100% true.
Nothing to do with Wiki. There are videos and papers written are you brain dead. Did you see the information on Nathan Confnas? Can you think on your feet, sitting down. standing up?
There is a vast amount of information refuting KMac and you say try harder Wiki is rot.
You must not be able to understand a contrary opinion once your mind is made up. It must feel like sand is in your brain and you cannot move it out to hear someone else speak of another idea.
Look at the video on #499 of Confnas and Macdonald both interviewing. Did you listen to it.
You are so in love with hating you are beyond reason. Do better then Wiki? that is your answer.
Why don’t you do better? Be a better person.
Correct. Talha had to dig up some deranged fringe figure who talks about conquering Mecca (!) as characteristic of the Zionist critique of the aggressive elements in Islam.
Fran, you can make your own decisions – but at this late stage in the game, I don’t think there can be any doubt that Talha is a non-credible figure.
You keep on saying you “don’t understand him” – this is a classic response to the immense “cognitive dissonance” created by how he presents himself and his actual behavior.
We sense something is very wrong, it doesn’t add up or compute, and we try and solve the “mystery”. It’s well known in psychological literature.
Fran, do yourself a favor and stop wasting time – there is no “mystery”. He just isn’t the highly refined spiritual person he takes such pains to present himself as, and his morality and ethics are highly questionable and politicized.
Of course, you can make up your own mind – but I no longer take him seriously or have much respect for him.
Good luck, Fran.
Best paragraph of the week. Love this. Cofnas is a ZioNazi scholar, and Macdonald is the truth, because you say so.
I thought we were getting along so nicely.
I think the revolution is already occurring and has been for a while within California. All the tools you and I and everyone else use are from guess where? Where does our gracious host live? And Elon’s coming for your transportation too. Who entertains everyone while all this is occurring? Who manages the outbreak the best? Gavin Newsome called California “a nation-state”. So it’s happening.
‘Well observed. The best white people and Westerners are on the left. Energetically at least, if not morally.’
Lol. In the opinion of the white people and Westerners who are on the left.
‘I think the revolution is already occurring and has been for a while within California. All the tools you and I and everyone else use are from guess where? Where does our gracious host live? And Elon’s coming for your transportation too. Who entertains everyone while all this is occurring? Who manages the outbreak the best? Gavin Newsome called California “a nation-state”. So it’s happening.’
It’s happening, alright. Of course, to some of us, it looks like total and terminal collapse, socially, morally, and intellectually.