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Secretary of State Mike Pompeo announced yesterday that the US is softening its position on Israeli settlements in the West Bank. Secretary Pompeo repudiated the 1978 State Department legal opinion that stated that Jewish settlements in the occupied territories are “inconsistent with international law.”

It is hard to determine whether the move was intended to rescue Benjamin Netanyahu’s political career or to buy the Jewish Lobby’s support for President Trump at a critical time. It is reasonable to assume that the policy was put forth to advance both aims.

Pompeo’s declaration was, predictably, welcomed by PM Netanyahu and denounced by Palestinian officials and anyone else who still advances the delusional Two State Solution. Like Secretary Pompeo, I am far from an expert on international law, but it seems the notion of international law is vague or elastic enough to allow the secretary to (mis) interpret it in a radical manner. Yet, unlike most Palestinian solidarity campaigners, I see Trump, his administration and the recent move as a positive development.

However inadvertently, Trump has finally committed the USA to the One State Solution. It is hard to deny that the area between the ‘River and the Sea’ is a single piece of land. It shares one electric grid, one pre-dial code (+972) and one sewage system. At present, the land is ruled over by a racist, tribal and discriminatory ideology through an apparatus that calls itself ‘The Jewish State;’ and declares itself home for every Jew around the world; yet, is abusive, lethal and some would say genocidal toward the indigenous people of the land.

Yesterday’s move may buy Netanyahu some time and it may save Trump from being evicted from his current residence, but what it did most clearly was to redeliver a message to the Palestinians: In the battle for your liberation you are alone. America is not a negotiator, it has never been one. The USA has a side in the conflict and it is not your side.

In categorical terms Pompeo’s declaration repeats Trump’s earlier decision to move the American Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. On December 6, 2017, President Trump announced that the United States recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and ordered the relocation of the U.S. Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. No doubt, the move bought Trump support from the Jewish Lobby in America, and political gain for Netanyahu in the Jewish State, it was also an unambiguous message to the Palestinians: there is no prospect of a harmonious and peaceful solution for your plight.

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For the Palestinians, the move also exposed the misleading and dangerous nature of their ‘solidarity’ movement. Jewish ‘anti’ Zionist institutions have undertaken a relentless effort to suppress the Palestinian’s Right of Return and replace it with watery alternatives such as ‘End of occupation’ or ‘the Right to BDS.’ Trump’s move forced the Palestinians to accept that they were alone in their battle and finally accept that The Right of Return is the core and the essence of their plight. Less than four months after Trump’s Jerusalem decision, on 30 March 2018, thousands of Gazans gathered on the Israeli border to demand a return to their land.

That clumsy decision by Trump made to serve some immediate political purpose to do with Jewish support has matured into a vast awakening for the Palestinians. Week after week, for almost three years, Gazans have arrived at the Gaza border in the thousands to bravely confront the IDF’s merciless snipers, tanks and air force. The Hamas owes a big thank you to Trump who has managed to fuel and unite the Palestinians with a renewed spirit of fearless resistance. Israeli military analysts and commanders admit that the situation at the Gaza border is pretty much out of control. They agree that Israel’s power of deterrence is literally a matter of nostalgia. Accordingly, Palestinian resistance organizations do not hesitate to retaliate against Israel. Last week Israel was hit by the rain of 400 rockets fired over the course of only two days in response to Israel’s assassination of a Palestinian Islamic Jihad militant.

Pompeo’s declaration provides an explicit and necessary message to the Palestinians in general and in the West Bank in particular. The conflict is not progressing toward a peaceful resolution. Those amongst the Palestinians who advocated the ‘Two States Solution’ will have to hide now. Pompeo has affirmed that there is one Holy Land between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea. From now on the battle over this disputed land is whether it will be subject to the racist discriminatory ideology implied by the notion of “The Jewish State” and its ‘National Bill,’ or if it will transform itself into a ‘State of its Citizens’ as is inherit in the notion of One Palestine.

(Republished from Gilad Atzmon by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Lot says:

    “ some would say genocidal toward the indigenous people of the land.”

    Some “genocide”: the population of levantine Arabs is one of the fastest growing in the world.

    Actual genocidal campaigns against Christians by Muslims Jihadi Al-Giraldi doesn’t give two fudges about:

    1. Northern Cypriots
    2. Assyrians
    3. Lebanese Christians
    4. Armenians
    5. Anatolian Greeks
    6. Kosovo Serbs

  2. A123 says:

    Week after week, for almost three years, Iranian al’Hamas troops have have arrived at the Gaza border in the thousands to cowardly hide behind human shields. Military analysts and commanders acknowledge that Iran has been failing at the Gaza border. Not one square inch of land has been seized from Jewish control despite the number of human shields that have been injured or killed.

    Palestinian resistance organizations do not hesitate to retaliate against Israel. Last week Israel was hit by the rain of 400 rockets fired over the course of only two days in response to Israel’s assassination of a Palestinian Islamic Jihad militant.

    The latest rocket attack by Iranian Islamic Jihad in Palestine [PIJ] also failed miserably as their crude Katyusha style rockets hit a human rights HQ building. In an act of bravado the Iranian front group, Amnesty International, tried to claim the PIJ attack was Israeli. However, like most Iranian propaganda, this was quickly debunked. (1)

    Amnesty’s claim was conclusively disproven by a report in Israeli daily Haaretz written by Amira Hass, a famously pro-Palestinian journalist. The rocket that struck the building, Hass wrote, was “a missile that went astray on its launchers.” Those responsible, she said, were “almost certainly members of Islamic Jihad.”

    Scrambling to do damage control, Amnesty tweeted a vague statement saying, “Conflicting information is circulating about what exactly hit the @ichr_pal office in Gaza and where the attack came from. @amnesty is calling for an impartial investigation into this incident and other events in Gaza today.”

    Amnesty’s hostility to Israel regarding the ongoing conflict in Gaza was evidenced by other tweets that accompanied the initial accusation.

    When will Iran finally collapse, ending the pointless death of hundreds of human shields at the Gaza border and elsewhere?

    PEACE 😇
    ______

    (1) https://www.algemeiner.com/2019/11/13/amnesty-international-called-out-for-falsely-accusing-israel-of-attacking-gaza-building-which-was-actually-hit-by-misfired-palestinian-rocket/

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @RadicalCenter
  3. @Lot

    Nothing but diversionary pilpul.

    Translation: “I don’t want to talk about the Judenreich’s subjection of the Palestinian Arabs who constituted a 93% majority of the population at the end of the WW I and whose last bits of territory are being slowly shorn away. Let’s talk about something–anything–else: Greeks or Serbs or something.”

    • Replies: @Lot
  4. Pompeo has affirmed that there is one Holy Land between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea. From now on the battle over this disputed land is whether it will be subject to the racist discriminatory ideology implied by the notion of “The Jewish State” and its ‘National Bill,’ or if it will transform itself into a ‘State of its Citizens’ as is inherit in the notion of One Palestine.

    Well, we know how it’s going to end, and it won’t be the “State of its citizens.”

    At this point, the only hope for the Palestinians is a post-US-hegemonic world, if and when that ever arrives, and that essentially means China. The Chinese certainly don’t care about the Palestinians per se, but neither are they enslaved by the Judenreich, and best of all, they have no disloyal population of Jews to distort their policy.

    For the US, the enmity at the grass-roots level will only grow. It will not ebb away as Israel apologists would have us believe. Yet, the Arab states of the Middle East are feeble. So it’s hard to predict the ultimate political-strategic outcome. Turkey and Iran, on the other hand, are not feeble and are both alienated from the US. We are really creating the potential for very bad long-term strategic outcomes by truckling to this Jewish project. But it seems the die is cast.

    • Agree: mark green
  5. WINNER TAKE ALL!!

    That is what both sides want. The facade of a peace process is for the benefit of the PA to lend legitimacy to enormous salaries. Gifts from the EU, for the lip service of the “Two state solution” “The peace process” . The US has caught on to this fraud and ceased all aid to the PA and shut down their offices the US.

    The right of return ? Who has the right to return. Grand children of the original refugees?
    Palestinian solutions are always designed to mean the one state of Palestine.

    Think outside the box. A federation between Jordan, Egypt and Israel with populations freely moving about with green card status. West bank voted Jordan. Gaza /Egypt. and so on.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @A123
    , @Truth3
  6. Is this the most developed argument you manage to construct in defence of the Jewish State ? – telling us that others are also genocidal ..however, I am visiting regularly in some of the territories you mention and familiar with the tragedies you mentioned and an please to inform you that you are talking nonsense ..you confuse ethnic cleansing with genocide..I ll help you out ..what happened in Palestine in 1948 was an ethnic cleansing.. what is happening in Gaza in the last 10 years is, according to some, nothing short of slow genocide … also if you look closely into some of the cases you mentioned above you will find out that the followers of rabbi shabtai Tzvi (morphed into new Turks) were highly involved in those …

    • Agree: Gall
    • Replies: @Sean
  7. @Lot

    ‘Actual genocidal campaigns against Christians by Muslims Jihadi Al-Giraldi doesn’t give two fudges about:

    1. Northern Cypriots
    2. Assyrians
    3. Lebanese Christians
    4. Armenians
    5. Anatolian Greeks
    6. Kosovo Serbs

    How many of those are funded, supported, defended, and declared legal by the United States?

    Has the leader of Northern Cyprus been invited to address Congress? How many standing ovations did he receive?

    As I keep having to point out, there may well be several teenage boys out there stealing cars and raping girls.

    That’s regrettable. If one of them is my son, though, I’m morally obliged to act.

    • Replies: @Svevlad
    , @anon
  8. @Fran Taubman

    ‘Palestinian solutions are always designed to mean the one state of Palestine.’

    Go figure. I wonder, what — say — Mexico’s solution for Mexico is?

    How much of it do they figure they should hand over to China?

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  9. Lot says:
    @Oscar Peterson

    Israel isn’t subjugating anyone, but defending herself from terrorists and warmongers.

    The Druze and Samaritan religious minorities are doing just fine in Israel. Only the revanchist (and highly inbred) Arabs cause trouble, and reap the rewards of their incompetent aggression.

    There’s plenty of room in Arab Muslim Algeria for Gaza Arab Muslims since the French and Sephardi minority population was ethnically cleansed in the 1960s. Yet more Islamic aggression that Jihadi Phil never cares about. That single act of Arab ethnic cleansing against Christians and Jews was more than twice as big as the “Nabka.” But you don’t care about them either, do you?

  10. Lot says:
    @A123

    “ ending the pointless death of hundreds of human shields”

    Iran and human shields: it is a long history. It is the same regime that sent teenage draftees marching into landmined areas in the Iran-Iraq War with predictable results, and that paid big money to the alpha jihadi-commie-euroweenie Corbyn via state-owned PressTV.

    Does Giraldi and Atzmon get paid from PressTV too?

  11. @Colin Wright

    You are aware that the land was partitioned in 1948 one part Arab (they did not call themselves Palestinians), one part Jewish.
    The Arabs have never accepted any part of the Mandate of Palestine to be set aside for Jews.
    These are legal land disputes.
    Try and stay on point Colin. That is such a retarded comment.

  12. Art says:

    How shameful – Trump is a totally shallow person with no conscience or scruples – selling out other people’s property rights for political gain is criminal.

    • Agree: Gall
  13. Gall says:

    Pompous demonstrates the typical arrogant imperialist who totally defies International Law going back to the Treaty of Westphalia. Of course we all know America’s record for breaking treaties.

    That said the irony of handing Israel land that neither of them own and is still being disputed shows an arrogance that is breathtaking.

    • Agree: Saggy
  14. @Lot

    Consider adding Biafra to your list.

  15. frankie p says:

    “Yesterday’s move may buy Netanyahu some time and it may save Trump from being evicted from his current residence, but what it did most clearly was to redeliver a message to the Palestinians: In the battle for your liberation you are alone.”

    Gilad, Gilad, why do you insist on taking such a narrow view? “alone”? Are the Palestinians alone in their battle for liberation? Let’s ask Nasrallah, a leader who has grown in influence, respect, and stature in the region. Sheik Nasrallah, are the Palestinians alone in their battle for liberation?
    “No, they are not alone. Hezbollah stands with them.” Let’s ask Ayatollah Khameni, the Supreme Leader of Iran, a country under constant attack by the US at the direction of the Zoligarchy, sanctioned so much that it has… become the strongest power in the region. Sheik Khameni, are the Palestinians alone? “No, they are not alone. Iran stands with them” We could go on and on and ask Assad from Syria, the shiite militias from Iraq, the Houthis, etc. The same answer.

    They are not alone.

    Frankie P

  16. frankie p says:

    By the way, Gilad, you certainly are pushing all the right buttons!

    Comments 1 – 5 feature three of our lowest-level Hasbara black holes, Lot, A123 (peace!), and Fran.

    Keep up the good work!

    Frankie P

    • Replies: @A123
  17. A123 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Think outside the box. A federation between Jordan, Egypt and Israel with populations freely moving about with green card status. West bank voted Jordan. Gaza /Egypt. and so on.

    Another outside the box solution that would work is a well funded New Palestine in Southern Sinai.

    Initially, it would run as an Egyptian Protectorate so the current corrupt & violent leadership of the PLO, PA, UNRWA, Fatah, Hamas, PIJ, etc. would all be excluded. Without a direct land border with Israel there would be no fence line provocation, tunnelling, or rocket launching. There are of course many details to work out.

    Giving Arab Muslim civilians the opportunity to vote with their feet is the most important feature of the effort. Progress could be made tomorrow if one could bypass the current intransigent ‘leaders’ that insist on the Muslim occupation of Judea and Samaria.

    Is Abbas now in the 15th year of his 4 year term in office?. If this is the paradise promised by Allah, does that mean Christian America can keep Trump for an additional 11+ years after his elected terms expire? You know, this PA methodology all of sudden sounds really attractive.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Mr. Grey
  18. AaronB says:

    Finally I agree with Gilad 🙂 This is indeed a most welcome development.

    First the Golan, now the West Bank. These are good times.

    From strength to strength, my friends, from strength to strength.

    The bitter, the resentful, and the hateful cannot stop us.

    I do feel bad for them, though. They are the losers of history. The Muslim world, the anti-Semites. History has left them behind.

    I wish there was something that could be done for them. But I suspect we can only let them fade away.

    • Agree: Fran Taubman
    • Troll: Colin Wright
  19. There has been only one country since 1967. A Palestinian in Gaza or the West Bank who was 15 then is now 67 and has been a member of a subject race ruled by a Jewish master race for 52 years. Never again? The Jews who died under Nazi rule were a subject people not the masters; they were Palestinians not Israelis.

    And no: the Israeli Jews with nuclear weapons are not the victims threatened by extermination. Nazi ideology only becomes acceptable if a people is threatened with extermination; that’s why Israeli Jews continually lie that’s their situation and that they have no choice but apartheid. Half of the Palestinians are not allowed to live in their own country and two thirds of those who are allowed do not have the vote or normal civil rights.

    All niggers should have the vote. That includes the Jew’s niggers. I realise that, by supporting democracy, I will provoke strong US hatred but it won’t be universal. I expect that a minority of both Democrats and Republicans also support democracy. The relative percentages will vary depending on the normal reflex hatred of whatever is supported by the other. The Democrats now support wars of aggression because sometimes Trump seems to oppose them, so it’s reasonable to expect that Democrats will oppose democracy if they ever think Trump may support it. [email protected]

  20. Gall says:

    Looks like the Hasbera squad is on patrol Gilad seems you may have hit a raw nerve here. The fact is that the Balfour Declaration allowed for a Jewish homeland contingent on the Zionists respecting the rights of the indigenous population. Something it seems they never really intended to do by the terrorism and genocide that followed.

    Of course why would the US Government complain? Since they’ve been doing that here for the last 500 years or so since the Crypto Jew Columbus “discovered” what would later be called “New Canaan” by the Crypto Jewish Puritans who considered themselves the “New Israelites”.

    Personally I nothing against Jews. In fact I many Jewish friends but I do think that Zionism both Christian and Jewish should be flushed down the toilet of history.

  21. A123 says:
    @frankie p

    Comments 1 – 5 feature three of our lowest-level Hasbara black holes, Lot, A123 (peace!), and Fran.

    A black hole is the most powerful physical body in the universe, capable of impacting time itself.

    So you are describing Lot, Fran, and myself a cosmologically significant, possibly supreme, beings.

    Your compliment is accepted.

    PEACE 😁

    • Replies: @Truth3
  22. @Gall

    It is amusing that you all discus the Hasbara comments. Meanwhile in this thread Gilad as only Gilad could do in his train wreck way just implied that the”Young Turks “committing Armenian genocide was executed by the Crypto Jews Called “Donmeh”

    Then there is the reference to Jew niggers. Prior threads have included that Jewish Bolsheviks killed 100 million Russians. (only Jews did this), also include on that thread accused Jews of causing cancer. If you disagree you are a shabbos goy.

    This is just a side show to the constant accusations that since the beginning of time the Jews have been involved in subverting the entire world, by manipulating, fooling and cajoling the goyim into becoming Shabbos goys.

    The Jews have been just running rough shod over the entire world. Imagine. And the Goyim don’t get it. Not only that but we want to depopulate the world and take it over and make all the non Jews slaves. Now most of this recent stuff comes from Muslim who have revived the ancient Christian hatred long since forgotten.

    So with all this coming down. You think Gilad hit a nerve!!
    Really???
    Any one accused of such crimes would fight if only to show resistance and to say to you that Jews are humans. Meaning there are good Jews, bad Jews and the ugly Jews and evil Jews. Just like all other humans in the world.

    We are human and subject to human values to include decency and fairness.
    You think that Zionism and Christianity should be flushed down the toilet.

    I think Jew hatred by the WN, Neo Nazi, and Muslim Jihadist should be flushed down the toilet.
    All bigots and racist should be flushed down with him.

  23. Truth3 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Warmongering murderous Bitch. FOAD.

  24. Truth3 says:
    @A123

    No Asshole123… he meant like a latrine hole. Black and stinky.

    • Troll: A123
    • Replies: @Mike P
  25. @Lot

    If asked to choose — or if the US government insists on interfering in those conflicts — I’d indeed be inclined to take the side of the peoples whom you mentioned, against the Muslims.

    I’d also take the side of the Palestinians — Muslim and Christian Arabs — against Israel.

    What was your point again?

  26. @A123

    Of course, there IS another way to end the suffering of the human shields and their families and people. What would that be, I wonder.

    • Replies: @A123
  27. @Lot

    The French, yes. The Sepphardic Jews, not as much. Why do you ask?

  28. NPleeze says:
    @Lot

    Israel isn’t subjugating anyone, but defending herself from terrorists and warmongers.

    Actually, it is obvious that the Israeli Jews are the terrorists and warmongers against whom the Palestinians try to defend themselves. Your pathetic lies prove only you are a perversely evil ZioNazi, most likely an actual Jew supremacist.

    Only the revanchist (and highly inbred) Arabs cause trouble, and reap the rewards of their incompetent aggression.

    Another lie from a fucking lying ZioNazi. It is a fact that about 1.8 million Palestinians live in Israel, as they have (not yet) been successfully ethnically cleansed. However, they do not have citizenship and are second-class “Untermenschen”, who cannot even return to their homes if they leave (as they are not a citizen). Even though these Palestinians are severely oppressed, they do not commit any acts of violence. Only the ones who were ethnically cleansed, and continue to be, because they are outside the “borders” of Israel, whatever they may be, fight back against Jewish terrorism, belligerence, war crimes, mass murder, theft, torture, humiliation, etc.

    The Druze were granted citizenship. Why don’t you ZioNazis grant the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza citizenship and make peace? Oh, right, you (and they) are ZioNazis.

    That single act of Arab ethnic cleansing against Christians and Jews was more than twice as big as the “Nabka.”

    More lies, but as to Muslim oppression of Christians, is anybody supporting that? No, it’s only ZioNazis like you that support Jew supremacist subjugation of non-Jews. Not only support it, but love it – argue for it, celebrate it, donate money to it. You are as evil as a human being can be – ZioNazi is an insult to Nazis but the most fitting term.

  29. A123 says:
    @RadicalCenter

    Of course, there IS another way to end the suffering of the human shields and their families and people. What would that be, I wonder.

    No need to wonder. The option is clear.

    Giving non-native Muslims a place to go. That way they no longer have to suffer dishonorable lives occupying land their forebearers stole.

    It makes sense to everyone….. Except elite IslamoGlobalists who want to keep the conflict going for their personal gain.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Mr. Grey
    , @anonymous
  30. @Fran Taubman

    ‘… Not only that but we want to depopulate the world and take it over and make all the non Jews slaves. Now most of this recent stuff comes from Muslim who have revived the ancient Christian hatred long since forgotten…’

    Actually, I think most of it comes from the Talmud, Schneerson, Ovadia, et al.

  31. @Fran Taubman

    ‘You are aware that the land was partitioned in 1948 one part Arab (they did not call themselves Palestinians), one part Jewish.
    The Arabs have never accepted any part of the Mandate of Palestine to be set aside for Jews.
    These are legal land disputes.
    Try and stay on point Colin. That is such a retarded comment.’

    I don’t think one statement in your post is true.

    That’s something of a negative achievement, Fran. It must be another example of that ‘intellectual heft’ you bring to this site.

  32. @AaronB

    First the Golan, now the West Bank. These are good times.

    Good times for Judeofascist Israel.

    But a long-term strategic disaster for the United States. China should thank our disgusting Jew lobby for all the strategic benefits it bestows on the Middle Kingdom.

    • Replies: @A123
  33. @Lot

    Israel isn’t subjugating anyone,

    LOL. Israel is a project of subjugation and elimination.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
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  36. renfro says:

    Trump and the US wont be the ‘deciders’ on Israel. The US is sliding down the toilet with Israel as I said would happen years ago. This is good though….the US has the muscle to come back, Israel doesnt.

    EU Says Israeli Settlement on Palestinian Territory Is Illegal

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    US Reversal on Settlements Draws International Outrage

    • Replies: @A123
  37. A123 says:
    @Oscar Peterson

    China should thank our disgusting Jew lobby for all the strategic benefits it bestows on the Middle Kingdom.

    You mean the ability to freely run an extensive network of Muslim re-education camps? (1)

    Rights advocates have generally estimated that China is detaining more than one million Uighurs and members of other predominantly Muslim Turkic ethnicities.

    But Randall Schriver, the top Pentagon official for Asia, said in May that the figure was “likely closer to three million citizens” — an extraordinary number in a region of some 20 million people.

    Sounds like Israel needs to import a bunch of Chinese re-education experts. Dealing with 3 million violent Muslims sound about right.

    PEACE 😇
    _______

    (1) https://news.yahoo.com/uighur-researchers-china-running-hundreds-more-camps-181157759.html

    • Replies: @Oscar Peterson
  38. @Sababu A. Sanyika

    Gilad Atzmon listed on the board of VT the home of this article by author by Yukon Jack.

    Great Men Needed to Save America. By. yukonjack – November 23, 2013. 0. 799. by Yukon Jack … We must become the great men needed to save our civilization from the Zionist predator. Start reloading, start making one box of extra shells everyday if you have the resources, if not get what you need by any means available.
    Author: Yukonjack

    Full article calls for the death of all Jews. For obvious reasons operating under a fake name.

    • Replies: @mark green
  39. A123 says:
    @renfro

    EU Says Israeli Settlement on Palestinian Territory Is Illegal

    Renfro,

    Stop lying. The EU said no such thing (1):

    Budapest blocks joint EU statement condemning US shift on settlements

    Hungarian FM said to instruct his diplomats to block any text on the legal status of settlements;

    France, Germany issue their own statements

    France and Germany? Mutti Mullah Merkel of Islam and her pet Emmanuel Macron do not represent the EU. They only represent the elites of IslamoGlobalism. It is no surprise that these two anti-semites produced a hate screed.

    PEACE 😇
    _______

    (1) https://www.timesofisrael.com/budapest-blocks-joint-eu-statement-condemning-us-shift-on-settlements/

    • Replies: @renfro
  40. @Lot

    Are you paid for peppering us with this comical hasbara crap or do you do it voluntarily? The Zionist movement was a plunderous ideology that morphed into an ethnic cleansing state apparatus… this project is now faces its final stage. And the only question that should interest us is what is it about Jewish collectivism that leads to such tragic consequences ….

  41. Altai [AKA "Altai_4"] says:

    Pretty much, this really changes nothing but might remove the excuses to pretend the two state solution is still viable and frankly with that the Palestinians have a chance at freedom in a South Africa style exodus of Jews once Israel is forced to become a truly democratic state incorporating all the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank. I am surprised, even if I think myself sufficiently cynical, how little of the typical anti-Trump outrage this is generating in the press. His silly request to buy Greenland or the time he tweeted ‘covefe’ generated far more scorn in the press and on social media. The same pattern held when he fired those cruise missiles into Syria, it even generated a joyous response from Fareed Zakaria.

    It’s worth an investigation or book into how the Guardian and BBC were invaded by neocons after the Iraq war exposed a problem with US media control in the age of the internet. Ironically, as the Guardian became popular in the US as an alternative media source on foreign affairs after the disgrace that was the entire US MSM, it expanded to the US with it’s own offices and eventually the inclusion of more and more senior staff from the US. Once this happened, it developed a more ‘nuanced’ view of the subsequent neocon interventions and Israeli narratives more generally. Needless to say, this US staff were invariably Jewish. But what were the Guardian to do? They couldn’t say ‘No Ashkenazim!’ (Are there any Jews who are allowed rise to prominence in the US media system who aren’t pro-Israel?). And then the scorpions showed their true colours after playing ‘progressive’ in every other way.

    The BBC got an explicitly pro-Israel DD, Mark Thompson (Married to a Jewish woman) in 2004 who lasted an astonishing 8 years. Not that the BBC covered itself in glory, but it was still better than US fair and became more popular as a news source in the US. Per wikipedia his conspicuous interests on Israel.

    A number of commentators have suggested that Thompson has a pro-Israeli editorial stance, particularly since he supported the controversial decision by the BBC not to broadcast the DEC Gaza appeal in January 2009. Complaints to the BBC about the decision, numbering nearly 16,000, were directed to a statement by Thompson. In May 2011, Thompson ordered the lyrics ‘free Palestine’ in a rap on BBC Radio 1Xtra to be censored. During a meeting of the British Parliament’s Culture and Media Committee in June 2012, Thompson also issued an apology for not devoting more coverage to the murders of an Israeli settler family in the West Bank, saying the “network got it wrong” – despite the fact that the incident occurred on the same day as the 2011 Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami. (Note: This was the tsunami which killed ~17,000 people and caused the Fukashima meltdown.)

    Tam Dean Burn wrote in The Herald: “I would argue that this bias has moved on apace since Thompson went to Israel in 2005 and signed a deal with prime minister Ariel Sharon on the BBC’s coverage of the conflict.”

    The more interesting question is, did these individuals set out to do this or was it just an incidental action, a kind of Jewish veto when enough were in place.

  42. @Fran Taubman

    ‘… All bigots and racist should be flushed down with him.’

    In that case, remember your snorkel, Fran.

    • Replies: @bike-anarkist
  43. renfro says:
    @A123

    You should stop lying ….you’re being a very very bad troll. If you don’t behave I will have to visit and turn you into a bar of soap …..or maybe I will make a lampshade out of you and a bar of soap out of Fran .

    World News
    November 18, 2019 / 4:38 PM / a day ago
    EU says Israeli settlement on Palestinian territory is illegal
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-usa-eu/eu-says-israeli-settlement-on-palestinian-territory-is-illegal-idUSKBN1XS2IL
    BRUSSELS (Reuters) – The European Union said on Monday that it continued to believe that Israeli settlement activity in occupied Palestinian territory was illegal under international law and eroded prospects for lasting peace.
    “The EU calls on Israel to end all settlement activity, in line with its obligations as an occupying power,” EU foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini said in a statement.

    PLUS…..Russia…PLUS…France

    Russia calls U.S. backing for Israeli settlements blow to peace …
    https://www.reuters.com › article › us-israel-usa-russia › russia-calls-us-bac…
    19 hours ago – Russia’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs said on Tuesday that a U.S. decision to effectively back Israel’s right to build … Moscow’s stance is that such settlements on Palestinian territory are illegal under international law, it said

    • Replies: @A123
  44. @Art

    ‘How shameful – Trump is a totally shallow person with no conscience or scruples – selling out other people’s property rights for political gain is criminal.’

    And in this he differs in what respect from Truman, both Clintons, Bush the Lesser, Obama, and Romney?

    …I have omitted other presidents and candidates simply because I am not familiar enough with all aspects of their policies to express an opinion — but I’d guess most of them were just as bad. The only two presidents I’m aware of who definitely put their foot down when it came to Israel were Eisenhower and Carter.

  45. @NPleeze

    ‘… It is a fact that about 1.8 million Palestinians live in Israel, as they have (not yet) been successfully ethnically cleansed. However, they do not have citizenship and are second-class “Untermenschen”, who cannot even return to their homes if they leave (as they are not a citizen)…’

    You exaggerate. These Palestinians enjoy about the same status and legal rights as blacks in the Deep South during the Jim Crow era. The ones in the West Bank and Gaza, of course, have no legal rights at all. They enjoy about the same rights and status as the the less desirable forms of vermin do in civilized countries — certainly nothing like, say, a dog does in Britain, or a horse in Spain.

  46. ‘…Like Secretary Pompeo, I am far from an expert on international law, but it seems the notion of international law is vague or elastic enough to allow the secretary to (mis) interpret it in a radical manner…’

    There’s nothing to interpret or misinterpret. The Fourth Geneva Convention categorically and specifically bars the occupying power from settling its citizens in occupied territory.

    Israel is a signatory to the convention. That’s it.

  47. @Gall

    ‘… The fact is that the Balfour Declaration allowed for a Jewish homeland contingent on the Zionists respecting the rights of the indigenous population…’

    The exact term was ‘a national home.’

    It was also agreed that a ‘national home’ in no way implied an independent state, and the Zionists assured everyone at Versailles they agreed with that interpretation and had no intention of pursuing such a goal. In 1922 or 1924, Britain observed that there was now a community of eighty thousand Jews in Palestine, with their own schools, newspapers, economic cooperatives, and so on — and declared the goal of a ‘national home’ to have been fully realized.

    It’s all drearily absurd. It’s as if I managed to get the Forest Service to agree I could build a cabin in the woods, declared that I clearly understood this didn’t mean the woods themselves would be mine, built the cabin — and then twenty five years later proceeded to declare the woods mine.

    …and of course it’s gone on from there. Project Israel has now completely ignored the conditions it accepted in 1947 when it was somewhat mysteriously decided she should get the forest after all, conquered almost exactly twice the territory allotted to it, attacked every single state adjacent to it and several more besides, got us into one disastrous war to serve her interests, and is attempting to get us into another.

    Why, is another good question. Most Jews don’t even want to live there, and they have no claim to the land that every Muslim and Christian in the world could not make equally reasonably. Shall we all go there? That’s what? Four billion? Just pack ourselves in and literally stomp down whoever’s there already?

    The whole thing is insane. I can’t think of anything in history as manifestly pointless and conducive to generating endless misery. What’s it all for? To assuage the deficient egos of the least of the members of one tiny religious group that barely makes up two-tenths of one percent of mankind in the first place?

  48. @animalogic

    Yes, indeed.
    And fecal matter is one of the foundations
    of human growth – agriculture.

  49. Svevlad says:
    @Colin Wright

    kosovo serbs are 100% marked for death in ameriroach government eyes, possibly assyrians as well

  50. I am all for Israel becoming a multicultural paradise like the Jews try to establish in Europe.
    Open borders for Israel, because Israel has not yet learned how to be multicultural.
    It is a huge transformation that must take place, Israel in not going to be the monolithic society of the last century. We goyim are at the center of that. It is a huge transformation for Israel to make. They are going into a multicultural mode, and we goyim will be resented for our leading role. But without that leading role and without that transformation, Israel will not survive.

    Realistically, a two state solution is dead, totally unrealistic due to jewish fanaticism, tikkun olamism and world domination fantasies. It has been dead since the beginning of Israel.

  51. @NPleeze

    I always admire the leftist fanatics and jews, how they manage to squeeze 6 million times “nazi” into the tiniest sentence, even if it doesn’t make any sense at all, but just to trigger the brainwashed children to scare them with the bogeyman phantom.

  52. @AaronB

    A little perspective is helpful:

    https://visualizingpalestine.org/visuals/divesting-for-justice-timeline

    I also wouldn’t count on the conservative justices of the SC to hold in favor of anti-BDS legislation once a case reaches them. Your consiglieres are 0-3 in federal courts with one destined for failure at the appellate level.

    But, by all means, keep celebrating. That’s exactly what we like to see.

    • Replies: @A123
  53. A123 says:
    @renfro

    Renfro,

    You really need to stop lying.

    Taking a bad Reuters headline and presenting as fact is a problem. You even provided enough information to debunk your own fiction.

    policy chief Federica Mogherini said in a statement.

    Let us parse this correctly. Merkel & Macron’s elite bureaucratic sock puppet Mogherini said something. As a bureaucrat, what can he actually deliver. Nothing. So, despite the lofty title, his words are meaningless.

    If you (and Reuters) wanted to be truthful, the headline should have said:

    One Powerless EU Bureaucrat Whined About Israeli Construction in Judea & Samaria

    That is a much better summary of the facts presented in the article.

    PEACE 😇

  54. Rahan says:

    Better this than fighting endless Israel wars.

    Let them enjoy these bribes while this lasts. Five years from now either the “forever war for Israel” starts up again, or the ties get cut and they get to enjoy Trump’s gifts but not much else.

    Not unless they start dealing like sane international players who give A in order to get B in return, as opposed to infiltration and guilt-peddling as ways to only receive and never give.

    Because today they come to you and instead of “Hi, let’s make a fair deal” they directly start with “What about those billions you owe me, you Nazi?”

    Tried to pull this with Poland last year, I think.

  55. A123 says:
    @AnonStarter

    I also wouldn’t count on the conservative justices of the SC to hold in favor of anti-BDS legislation once a case reaches them.

    The BDS cases are not about free speech. Anyone who wants to make a BDS hate speech still can.

    The substance of the case is, “Does government have to subside hate speech?”. If the SC Justices follow the Constitution, the answer is a no-brainer. No one is entitled to a subsidy.

    When it goes up some time from now, the key will be how many more ‘swing’ justices will Trump have appointed? Odds suggest two or three wacky left justices will leave the court in the next five years:

    — RBG [87] is at death’s door. She missed Oral Arguments again (1).
    — Breyer [81] has no publicly announced health conditions, but is old enough to be a likely retiree.
    — Sotomayor [65] is a diabetic. While it has been controlled for years, there are a number of ways that the medical condition can go bad quickly.

    So it is highly likely that the BDS Subsidy cases will be decided by the growing Conservative majority at the SC. That decision will end subsidies and schoolroom access for BDS hate.

    PEACE 😇
    _______

    (1) https://nypost.com/2019/11/13/ruth-bader-ginsburg-misses-oral-arguments-due-to-illness/

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  56. @Fran Taubman

    Instead of sending us to read a fellow imbecile Zionist just look into the amount of Israelis who are fleeing for their life to Berlin, NYC, London Paris,,, what they don’t realise is that with AIPAC, ADL and Diaspora characters of your ilk, the rest of the world is becoming hostile ….we had been there before , not just once or twice,,

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
    , @Germanicus
  57. @Gilad Atzmon

    I thought it was a good article re: legalities.
    You are always do hysterical that Israel is going down. None I know is leaving.
    There is going to be a huge war. Many will die. None knows who is going to win.
    Iran may fall way before Israel politically.
    No one I know is leaving? where your certainty is coming from.
    The”rest” of the world is hostile over everything pick a subject. The world is divided I half
    Each half hates the other half. Brexit, Trump. You name it.
    If you can’t agree on Brexit or Labor. How the fuck you going to agree to hate on Israel.
    Common. Everyone is worried about China not Israel.

    • Replies: @another fred
  58. @A123

    OP: China should thank our disgusting Jew lobby for all the strategic benefits it bestows on the Middle Kingdom.

    A123: You mean the ability to freely run an extensive network of Muslim re-education camps? (1)

    What you write is utterly irrelevant to my point. Whatever the Chinese are doing in Xinjiang province, it has nothing to do with the strategic damage our Jew-induced policies in the Middle East are doing to the long-term US position in that region.

    In fact, we are now desperately promoting the alleged re-education camps in an attempt to say “See, China is just as bad as the US in dealing with Muslims! Don’t look at what we’re doing–look at what they’re doing!” That’s the pathetic position into which the Jews have brought us. In any case, it won’t work. Both Turkey and Saudi Arabia are now going easy on China, as they see the total chaos of US policy–the destruction of Iraq leading to the rise of ISIS, massive, devastating incoherence in Syria, tacit support for the 2016 anti-Erdogan coup, and endless give-aways to sweet Israel at the behest of our disloyal domestic Jews.

    So hyping whatever the Chinese might be doing to the Uighers–and it’s very difficult to separate the hype from the reality–won’t compensate for the self-destructive policies into which international Jewry has driven the US, which is why the Chinese should be thanking our disloyal Jews for their role in undermining China’s main rival for global dominance.

  59. Mr. Grey says:

    racist, tribal and discriminatory

    This describes the Muslim attitude towards the Jews since the Zionist movement began in the 19th century. (Of course it also applies to the entire history of Islam too…). The present situation of the Palestinians is a result of their hatred for Jews and choosing violence time and time again to sweep the Jews into the sea.

  60. Mr. Grey says:
    @A123

    Of course, there IS another way to end the suffering of the human shields and their families and people. What would that be, I wonder.

    For a long time I thought this way too, being a non-religious Westerner who did not understand Islam. It was only after I noticed how the Left fetishized Islam and some kind of beleaguered racial minority and had studied Roman/Byzantine history that I began to understand Islam was more of a ruling state ideology than a traditional religion. The Muslim Arabs in Palestine, over the past 150 years have refused time and time again to compromise with the Jews, choosing violence as a solution and suffering defeat after defeat. Now Fatah and Hamas have seen the profit in the Grievance Industry and become professional victims, collecting foreign aid and sacrificing their own children to martyrdom to fatten their bank accounts.

    • Replies: @anon
  61. Mr. Grey says:
    @NPleeze

    Why don’t you ZioNazis grant the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza citizenship and make peace? Oh, right, you (and they) are ZioNazis.

    You shouldn’t accuse someone of lying when you have a poor grasp of history. The Arabs had plenty of chances to make peace with the Jews, but that would involve concessions and when they thought they had the upper hand their answer was always violence. Islam promotes violence and intolerance, and this had led the Arabs of Palestine into their miserable state. Now they use their poverty to hustle sympathy from the West.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  62. @Gilad Atzmon

    ‘… this project is now faces its final stage. And the only question that should interest us is what is it about Jewish collectivism that leads to such tragic consequences ….’

    While I’m all for jousting with the evil Lot, I’m interested in your paradigm for its own sake.

    To put it differently, I’m inclined to disagree with it. Rather than seeing something peculiarly Jewish in Zionism, I see it as akin to Nazism — a morbid form of nineteenth-century European racial nationalism, adopted by a traumatized people, Ashkenazi Jews in one case, post-World War One Germans in the other.

    Most of Zionism’s crimes flow not so much from anything Jewish, but as a logical consequence of taking up a racial nationalist ideology sharing all the essential features of Nazism and putting it into practice in a region inhabited by another people. To put it differently, the Zionists could have been Cambodians. Given the situation and the fundamental ideology, the outcome would have been much the same.

    It’s certainly possible to take other positions, but I’m inclined to assert there’s nothing Jewish about Zionism at all.

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @AnonStarter
  63. @Mr. Grey

    ‘You shouldn’t accuse someone of lying when you have a poor grasp of history. The Arabs had plenty of chances to make peace with the Jews, but that would involve concessions and when they thought they had the upper hand their answer was always violence. Islam promotes violence and intolerance, and this had led the Arabs of Palestine into their miserable state. Now they use their poverty to hustle sympathy from the West.’

    Bumph. Worse, tired, discredited bumph. You might as well go on about the divine right of kings.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @A123
    , @anon
  64. Sean says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    Palestinians want a state of their own, but the same ME countries who back the Palestinians oppose the Kurds.

  65. @Colin Wright

    I wonder which Zionist of the past this ‘Mr. Grey’ creature is.

    I suppose it doesn’t really matter — but there’s something singularly aggravating about this practice of adopting successive imaginary identities.

  66. A123 says:
    @Colin Wright

    Mr. G: Islam promotes violence and intolerance, and this had led the Arabs of Palestine into their miserable state. Now they use their poverty to hustle sympathy from the West.’

    CW: Bumph. Worse, tired, discredited bumph. You might as well go on about the divine right of kings.

    Discredited? Hardly. Mr. Grey is 100% accurate.

    The international law definition of ”refugee” should be applied to Muslim Arabs.
    — Those who receive citizenship in a country are no longer refugees.
    — Children of refugees are not refugees.
    Of course, Arab Muslims have no interest in international law.

    At this point the Muslim occupation effort has reduced itself to playing the victim card while trying to keep their stolen land. The truth is, “Under international law there were only 30,000 nakba refugees left alive in 2,018” (1). And, that number shrinks every year.

    When will Muslim Arabs be held to the same international law standards as everyone else, instead of being privileged?
    _____

    [in 2018] The U.S. government continues to inappropriately keep classified a report on Palestinian refugees that congressional officials view as a potential game changer in how America approaches its regional policies and allocates billions in taxpayer funds, according to multiple sources with knowledge of the report.

    Congressional officials familiar with the classified report, the existence of which was first disclosed by the Washington Free Beacon, say the State Department continues to keep it secret in order to not disrupt billions of dollars in allocations to United Nations Relief Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA), the organization responsible for providing aid to what they claim is some 5.2 million Palestinian refugees.

    Those familiar with the report say the U.S. quietly determined under the Obama administration that the actual number of Palestinian refugees is far smaller, closer to around 30,000. This disclosure could fundamentally change the way billions of U.S. taxpayer dollars are allocated to UNRWA and the Palestinian government and impact America’s longstanding policies regarding the Israeli-Palestinian peace process.

    PEACE 😇
    _______

    (1) https://freebeacon.com/issues/u-s-government-hiding-report-number-palestinian-refugees/

    • Agree: Fran Taubman
    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  67. @A123

    This is the heart of the matter the refugees. The Palestinians are banking on the flood of 5 plus million returning, even though they have no international standard of refugee status.
    Who are they going to get to enforce that? What international agency is going to force Israel to accept 5 plus million refugees. The Palestinians seem to think they can will their way thru this.
    That they have the backing of the world.
    The world cannot get much done these days. Israel is way down on the list.
    There are actually 30,000 refugees why doesn’t UNRWA deal with that number.
    The Palestinian refugees are being led astray by the crazy UN, who officially does nothing.

  68. Mr. Grey says:
    @A123

    Think outside the box. A federation between Jordan, Egypt and Israel with populations freely moving about with green card status. West bank voted Jordan. Gaza /Egypt. and so on.

    Funny how people put forward these ‘solutions’ that are ignorant of Islam and the history of intolerance towards the Jewish people (and anyone else who isn’t muslim).

    Another outside the box solution that would work is a well funded New Palestine in Southern Sinai.

    Not to disagree, but most of Palestine is already under Arab control, and it is known as Jordan. They also once controlled Judea and Samaria, but when it looked like they had a chance to exterminate all Jews in Palestine they choose violence and their present situation is the result. Islam is an ideology of conquest and intolerance.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @AnonStarter
  69. @Mr. Grey

    ‘… Not to disagree, but most of Palestine is already under Arab control, and it is known as Jordan. They also once controlled Judea and Samaria, but when it looked like they had a chance to exterminate all Jews in Palestine they choose violence and their present situation is the result. Islam is an ideology of conquest and intolerance.’

    Neo-Nazi vomit. You might as well be Hitler ranting about Jews.

    • Replies: @A123
    , @Mr. Grey
    , @Germanicus
  70. @Gilad Atzmon

    we had been there before , not just once or twice,,

    That’s the tragedy, isn’t it? Looks like yet another round in this cycle.
    The Jews always overdo it, and the reaction follows, and the jewish whining.

    For example, the Jews actively wage war on dissent as guest in their host country, leading to people losing their business, jobs, or end up in jail for thought crimes etc… Imagine if this was reciprocally answered by us, which would be our absolute right to do.

    Reminds me of the deeply messianic reimaged “Battestar Galactica” series.

    All this has happened before, and all this will happen again

    where they make the Jew the Cylon machines.

  71. A123 says:

    Not to disagree, but most of Palestine is already under Arab control, and it is known as Jordan. They also once controlled Judea and Samaria, but when it looked like they had a chance to exterminate all Jews in Palestine they choose violence and their present situation is the result. Islam is an ideology of conquest and intolerance.

    You are of course correct. I frequently have to post a map showing the binding international law border that was set in the 1920’s. The War Criminals at the United Nations badly damaged regional stability in the 40’s when they stole land in violation of binding international law.

    The relationship between Jewish Palestine (a.k.a. Israel) and Muslim Palestine (a.k.a. Jordan) is already strained. Also, Jordan has internal strife between the ruling Hashemites and the non-ruling Arabs.

    I suspect one would have a higher rate of voluntary relocation with a Sinai solution. However, I would accept almost any solution that would return the Islamic occupiers of Judea & Samaria to Muslim lands.



    PEACE 😇

  72. A123 says:
    @Colin Wright

    Neo-Nazi vomit. You might as well be Hitler ranting about Jews.

    CW,

    Nice to see that you are a lying Nazi racist as usual.

    Please don’t change. Demolishing slow moving, brain dead, IslamoFascists is entertaining and rapidly discredits your ‘side’.

    We appreciate your incompetence.

    PEACE 😇

  73. Mr. Grey says:
    @Colin Wright

    What do you think happened in Ottoman times? The 1920’s? The Arab revolt of 1936-39? Or before the 1947 war when the Arabs saw the British were going to pull out? Seems like you have no clue about any history of the ME or Islam except reading maybe some Noam Chomksy.

  74. @Colin Wright

    Neo-Nazi vomit.

    Argumentum ad Hitlerum, everywhere, no matter if it’s the kosher left or right.

    Neo Jewzi would be more apt. “neo nazi” is an undefined label certain people like to hurl around to stigmatize opposition and to maintain the devil scenario.
    It is a deflection from through and through Jewish behavior, culture and mindset. A deflection from “jewishness” and “choseness” centuries old.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  75. hhsiii says:

    If there are 5 million Palestinians and 9 million Israelis, 2 million of them Arab muslim or so, some christian, then it seems a one state solution ultimately works, with an “unalterable” constitutional provision for religious freedom, and the returned “refugees” automatically voting citizens, the descendants having to go through a similar citizenship qualifying process as immigrants to U.S. (key questions such as are you willing to live in a constitutional democracy, yada yada). There’d essentially be a balance of power. How much different would it have to be than US, where already the next generation is white euro minority and a large slave descended population lives here. So Israelis can get used to it. Could you make it like Austro-Hungary? Isro-Palestine?

    I expect my Nobel Peace Prize shortly.

    Sure, I’m kidding, but this whole thing just seems like it causes more problems than it’s worth. I mean, I would like my Huegenot ancestral lands back in France (at least part of my family tree), but I’m doing fine where I am and can’t be bothered to go fight about it. And this cuts both ways for Israelis and Palestinians. Cut it out.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  76. @Mr. Grey

    Seems like you have no clue about any history of the ME or Islam

    Some time ago there was an article in Mondoweiss mentioning a text of rabbi Rosen with the title “Oh Lord, Deliver Me from My People” where the rabbi speaks about some of the lies that Zionists tell. Maybe you should check out if your lies are in his list and if not, you could write him and ask to add your lies. He doesn’t distinguish between good and bad lies.

    Mondoweiss also published a text mentioning another “leading rabbi” complaining that all the lies that they told to the children didn’t function and that the children are discovering that they were being lied to. Zionists are the biggest liars that exist. If you read 1 million assertions made by them, you’ll see that not even one of them is true.

  77. Mike P says:
    @Truth3

    • Troll: A123

    A “Troll” from a professional troll is an achievement. You should laminate it.

    • Replies: @Truth3
  78. @A123

    /The BDS cases are not about free speech./

    Actually, every one of them has been about free speech. Read the court opinions for yourself …

    Koontz v. Watson:

    https://www.leagle.com/decision/infdco20180131d10

    While the Kansas Law may have been passed by the legislature with flying colors, that showing merely would demonstrate that one state legislature had enacted a statute. Such a showing would not place the Kansas Law on the same level as an amendment to our Constitution — the very first amendment adopted by our founders and one ratified by three fourths of our states. See U.S. Const. art. V. A desire to prevent discrimination against Israeli businesses is an insufficient public interest to overcome the public’s interest in protecting a constitutional right.

    Jordahl et al v. Brnovich et al:

    https://www.acluaz.org/sites/default/files/field_documents/order_granting_plaintiffs_motion_for_preliminary_injunction.pdf

    The Act’s history instead suggests that the goal of the Act is to penalize the efforts of those engaged in political boycotts of Israel and those doing business in Israeli-occupied territories because such boycotts are not aligned with the State’s values. See e.g., Ariz. House Republican Caucus News Release, Feb. 4, 2016 (representing that the purpose of the Act is to penalize “companies engaging in actions that are politically motivated and intended to penalize, inflict economic harm on, or otherwise limit commercial relations with Israel, its products, or partners”). If so, such an interest is constitutionally impermissible. See Koontz v. Watson, 283 F. Supp. 3d 1007, 1022 (D. Kan. 2018) (finding that goal behind Kansas law requiring that persons contracting with the state certify that they are not engaged in a boycott of Israel was “either viewpoint discrimination against the opinion that Israel mistreats Palestinians or subject matter discrimination on the topic of Israel” and that “[b]oth are impermissible goals under the First Amendment”).

    Amawi v. Pflugerville Ind. School District et al

    https://www.aclutx.org/sites/default/files/4-25-19_bds_order.pdf

    [T]he Court is guided by first principles. “At the heart of the First Amendment lies the principle that each person should decide for him or herself the ideas and beliefs deserving of expression, consideration, and adherence. Our political system and cultural life rest upon this ideal.” Turner Broad. Sys. v. FCC, 512 U.S. 622, 641 (1994) (citations omitted). … The statute threatens “to suppress unpopular ideas” and “manipulate the public debate through coercion rather than persuasion.” Turner, 512 U.S. at 641. This the First Amendment does not allow.

    /When it goes up some time from now, the key will be how many more ‘swing’ justices will Trump have appointed?/

    You can certainly believe that if you’d like to, though any who have actually bothered to read court opinions from one presidential administration to the next might be surprised to know that cases aren’t consistently decided along partisan lines. Where a First Amendment controversy of this variety is concerned, it’s even less likely to happen.

    Much too difficult to surmount the preponderance of analogous precedents.

    • Replies: @A123
    , @Oscar Peterson
  79. @Mr. Grey

    /Funny how people put forward these ‘solutions’ that are ignorant of Islam and the history of intolerance towards the Jewish people (and anyone else who isn’t muslim)./

    https://www.thejc.com/comment/comment/so-what-did-the-muslims-do-for-the-jews-1.33597

    Within a century of the death of Mohammad, in 632, Muslim armies had conquered almost the whole of the world where Jews lived, from Spain eastward across North Africa and the Middle East as far as the eastern frontier of Iran and beyond. Almost all the Jews in the world were now ruled by Islam. This new situation transformed Jewish existence. Their fortunes changed in legal, demographic, social, religious, political, geographical, economic, linguistic and cultural terms – all for the better.

    That’s David Wasserstein, Vanderbilt’s professor of Jewish Studies and expert on the history of Jewish-Muslim relations.

    Every now and then we get visitors like you, peddling the lachrymose Adagio for Strings version of Jewish life under Islamic rule.

    You’re a funny lot. Not very bright, but funny.

    /Not to disagree, but most of Palestine is already under Arab control, and it is known as Jordan./

    Debunked:

    https://www.nytimes.com/1990/09/16/opinion/l-jordan-and-palestine-remain-separate-entities-505890.html

    /they choose violence and their present situation is the result/

    Jewish terrorists were actively working to drive Palestinians from their homes well before 1948:

    https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2016/11/14/benny-morriss-untenable-denial-of-the-ethnic-cleansing-of-palestine/

    Your spin won’t get too much traction here. Oh, you’ll garner an “Agree” or two from “Lot” and his posse.

    Not much else, though.

    • Replies: @A123
  80. The currency crisis that will attend the death of the U.S. Dollar is now visible on the horizon. Soon, the fate of peoples on the other side of the world will not be decided by (formerly) imperial Washington.

    By the way. What specifically has the Jewish Lobby done for Donald Trump?

  81. A123 says:
    @AnonStarter

    You are sure long winded when you are trying to deceive. Alas, your dhimmi mind games are transparent failures.

    Fake lefty judges, usually Barak Hussein appointees, twist the facts to generate the outcome that they want. This is why certain courts such as the 9th circuit are rarely upheld at the Supreme Court (1):

    Eight of out of 10 cases from the 9th Circuit reviewed by the Supreme Court are overruled, according to a 2010 analysis published by the American Bar Association. The 9th Circuit, which is known for its liberal tendencies, has the second-highest reversal rate of the 13 appellate courts below the Supreme Court.

    The Supreme Court will look at the true facts, not leftist propaganda. And the truth is, the cases are about government funding not speech.

    PEACE 😇
    _______

    (1) https://dailycaller.com/2017/02/09/9th-circuit-has-80-percent-reversal-rate-at-supreme-court/

  82. /Alas, your dhimmi mind games are transparent failures./

    Always good for a chuckle, you are. Keep up the good work.

    /the 9th circuit/

    Of the three mentioned, Jordahl would be the only one that falls in the 9th circuit’s jurisdiction, and it’s not being appealed by the State.

    Gosh.

    I wonder why, given the transparent twisting of facts by fake lefty judges.

    Hmmm …

    • Replies: @A123
  83. A123 says:
    @AnonStarter

    Your spin won’t get too much traction here. Oh, you’ll garner an “Agree” or two from “Lot” and his posse.

    Tyrants, such as yourself, are incapable of typical human behaviour such a compassion, and remorse. All you have every second of every day is your hate. We understand that.

    Many people read but do not post. That is why debunking your absurd lies is important. The purpose is to protect others from becoming ensnared in your lies, hate, and IslamoFacism. The parable of Job is quite clear. We do the the right thing fighting your evil because it is right, not in hopes of a reward.

    PEACE 😇

    • LOL: AnonStarter
  84. I read that Palestinians had fired 150 rockets into Israel and that there was one possible casualty.
    Will someone explain how this is possible? It seems like both sides are behaving deviously.

    • Replies: @A123
    , @AnonStarter
    , @Lot
  85. @Art

    El Trumpo is controlled opposition.

  86. @Mr. Grey

    ‘What do you think happened in Ottoman times? The 1920’s? The Arab revolt of 1936-39? Or before the 1947 war when the Arabs saw the British were going to pull out? Seems like you have no clue about any history of the ME or Islam except reading maybe some Noam Chomksy.’

    Even if we grant everything you fantasize, so what?

    The argument here is essentially, you’re obnoxious — so I get to take what’s yours.

    I guess I can come and drive off in that Toyota SUV you just bought. It’s mine now — you were annoying.

  87. A123 says:
    @jack daniels

    The Iranian front group Palestinian Islamic Jihad [PIJ] fired rockets at Israel recenetly.

    All they accomplished was property damage in Israel, plus blasting a Human Rights group HQ in Gaza. Israeli homes have shelters. The casualty count for this type of attack is usually 75%+ Muslim “friendly fire”.

    See post #2 in this thread for more detail:

    http://www.unz.com/gatzmon/finally-the-usa-supports-the-one-state-solution/#comment-3566554

    PEACE 😇

  88. @A123

    Also when Jordan grabbed the west bank and Jerusalem in 1948. They put up a barbed wire fence in front of the Western wall. No Jews allowed. The also made Jerusalem Juden free. They burned down all the synagogues.
    Anyone who thinks that Islam is going to allow Jews to live there under any circumstances is not familiar with the history of the Mufti of Jerusalem who was Hitlers best friend.
    Right makes right, and the Jews turned Israel into a wining country, able to defend themselves, more than any other country over there. The Arabs have stewed in their own Jihadist juices.
    I do not see this changing unless they make Jordan the Palestinian state.

    • Replies: @A123
  89. @hhsiii

    Arabs cannot cut it out. That is all they know how to do is fight. Jihadi is their chosen profession.
    They have yet to transfer their killing skills into commerce, education, and advancing the economy of their people.
    They really do not care. They are subsidized to execute their Jihadist ideology. Why should they change?
    If the populations not the leadership had their ways it would be different. That is why Kushner tried to propose billions in building the economy and opportunity of the population. Essential by passing the Jihadist leaders, who refuse to make decisions that would ensure peace.
    They would loose their jobs.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  90. Lot says:
    @Colin Wright

    “ a region inhabited by another people”

    Arabs are natives of Arabia who conquered the Levant, and they were further followed by Turks.

    The Jewish reconquest was more recent, but 1948 and 1967 continue to recede further and further into history.

    At a certain point, which I’d say has long passed, adverse possession and fait accompli apply and trump the distant and now purely historical claims of the long-dead ancestors of today’s “Palestinian” Arabs.

    Do you support Arab revanchist claims to Sicily and Spain? If not, why not? Too long ago? Well “too long ago” will eventually apply to the West Bank too. It is immoral to tell a Jew born in Judea to parents born in Judea they have to leave because of the ancestral claims of a “Palestinian” born in Jordan to parents born on Jordan.

  91. @jack daniels

    /It seems like both sides are behaving deviously./

    How so?

    Not only is any Palestinian faction — Hamas or otherwise — entitled to armed resistance against Israel’s ongoing violation of international law, Israel itself has no right to self-defense:

    https://jacobinmag.com/2018/07/gaza-protests-israel-occupation-norman-finkelstein

    The Palestinian people in the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and Gaza are struggling to achieve their internationally validated “right to self-determination” (International Court of Justice). As preeminent legal scholar James Crawford notes, international law prohibits the use of military force “by an administering power to suppress widespread popular insurrection in a self-determination unit,” whereas “the use of force by a non-State entity in exercise of a right of self-determination is legally neutral, that is, not regulated by international law at all.”

    Do you know that Israel’s blockade of Gaza also constitutes a violation of international law?

    https://www.un.org/unispal/humanitarian-situation-in-the-gaza-strip-fast-facts-ocha-factsheet/

    Palestinians are fighting for their life. Zionists just want them gone.

    Big difference.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  92. A123 says:
    @AnonStarter

    A123: Fake lefty judges, usually Barak Hussein appointees, twist the facts to generate the outcome that they want.

    NonStarter: Of the three mentioned, Jordahl would be the only one that falls in the 9th circuit’s jurisdiction, and it’s not being appealed by the State. … Gosh. … I wonder why, given the transparent twisting of facts by fake lefty judges.

    Wow!!!!

    Are you so ill informed that you believe 10o% of Barak Hussein’s lefty judges are on the 9th Circuit?

    Would you please intentionally misquote more to prove the weakness of your #BDSfail movemement? You are doing a great job discrediting yourself.

    PEACE 😇

  93. Lot says:
    @jack daniels

    Iron Dome stops most of them, and Israel has lots of bomb shelters and advance warning sirens. They also are small unguided rockets.

    The various sides have generally settled into a steady state of attack and response at predictable levels that avoid escalation but satisfy the local population.

  94. @Lot

    ‘“ a region inhabited by another people”

    Arabs are natives of Arabia who conquered the Levant, and they were further followed by Turks…’

    No serious scholar thinks there was a wholesale influx from Arabia into Palestine; nor, for that matter, does anyone still think the Jews of Palestine ever left.

    This gets fucking old. When you come up with an argument that isn’t based on fantasy, and that wasn’t rebutted long ago, give me a heads up.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  95. @Fran Taubman

    ‘Arabs cannot cut it out. That is all they know how to do is fight. Jihadi is their chosen profession.
    They have yet to transfer their killing skills into commerce, education, and advancing the economy of their people.
    They really do not care. They are subsidized to execute their Jihadist ideology. Why should they change?
    If the populations not the leadership had their ways it would be different. That is why Kushner tried to propose billions in building the economy and opportunity of the population. Essential by passing the Jihadist leaders, who refuse to make decisions that would ensure peace.
    They would loose their jobs.’

    You’re keeping that snorkel with at all times, aren’t you, Fran?

  96. @Lot

    ‘ …It is immoral to tell a Jew born in Judea to parents born in Judea they have to leave because of the ancestral claims of a “Palestinian” born in Jordan to parents born on Jordan.’

    Perhaps it would be immoral. That’s nothing to do with what I’m advocating, though.

    The Jewish immigrants — certainly their children — can stay. I wouldn’t advocate they be expelled.

    Of course, they’ll have to live in a polyethnic state where about half the judges are Palestinian, half the police are Palestinian, about half the armed troops and their officers are Palestinian, like as not, the Prime Minister is Palestinian, and half the time, it’s a Palestinian on duty as the nuclear missile officer, but as far as I’m concerned, the Jews can stay. Naturally, it would be as reasonable for gentiles to go armed as it is for Jews to do so now — but the Jews can stay.

    But I’m more concerned with emphasizing that I would make it possible for them to leave — if they want to, of course.

    You, of course, may wish to force them to stay. That might be your position.

    • Replies: @Lot
  97. @Colin Wright

    /It’s certainly possible to take other positions, but I’m inclined to assert there’s nothing Jewish about Zionism at all./

    Once upon a time, most Jews would have agreed with you. Zionism, or its likeness, was a broadly rejected movement among the diaspora, particularly among the Haredim.

    The extremists, however, gathered steam on the religious front by extracting a Talmudic rationale for it, while they built momentum on the secular front by establishing political relationships with ascendant western polities which they exploited to advance their own particular agenda of self-determination. When it began working, more Jews gradually inclined to it until it became the opposite of the unpopular position it once had been.

    Unfortunately, it’s how most Jews define themselves today, whether we like it or not.

  98. @Fran Taubman

    There is going to be a huge war. Many will die. None knows who is going to win.

    First realistic, logically consistent, comment I’ve seen by anyone.

  99. @AnonStarter

    They could have anything they want in Gaza if they put down their weapons and stoped trying to kill Jews and take over Israel.
    Are you freaking daft.
    Look they want Israel gone every inch.
    THAT IS WHY THEY ARE ON LOCK DOWN.

  100. A123 says:

    Lot: ‘ …It is immoral to tell a Jew born in Judea to parents born in Judea they have to leave because of the ancestral claims of a “Palestinian” born in Jordan to parents born on Jordan.’

    CW: Perhaps it would be immoral. That’s nothing to do with what I’m advocating, though.

    Misquoting is apparently a common Nazi, IslamoFascist trait. Did both NonStarter and yourself attend the same Taqiyya deception (1) training in Tehran? You are both terrible at lying.

    Let us try again….

    It is immoral for the non-native religion of Islam to occupy non-Muslim Jewish Palestinian. Therefore, the Muslim Jordanian child of two Muslim Jordanian parents is ineligible to live in Jewish Palestine, unless that child publicly converts and repudiates the Satanic Verses of the Quran.

    Your entire Soros inspired, multiculturalist, IslamoGlobalism deception just crumbled. You keep trying to twist facts and morality to achieve the obviously non-fact based, immoral position that Muslims can occupy land that is not theirs. Your lies are not working, and never will. Jewish Palestine is Jewish and will remain Jewish. Nothing you can do or say will change that.

    You need to return to Tehran so they can train you for an occupation that matches your skills. Your lies are so funny, perhaps you should be a stand-up comedian. You clearly enjoy being mocked…. You keep coming back despite your 100% loss rate versus facts and logic.

    PEACE 😇
    _______

    (1) http://www.freedompost.org/islam/deception/common-taqiyya-or-islamic-lies-and-deceptions-by-muslims.html

  101. @AnonStarter

    Yeah most Jews today are trying to stay alive against the onslaught of Islamic Jihadist.
    Rational aside. That is their task their only task.
    You can mombo jumbo all you want.
    Fact is the Muslims want the Jews gone.
    So all your other BS is BS about Talumudic this, radical that.
    It is Islam that has the problem of all or nothing.
    Their need to say there is no temple under Al-Aqsa.
    How long can you keep this crap up.
    The situation came upon them. The Jews did not define it, they react to it.

  102. @Germanicus

    ‘Neo Jewzi would be more apt. “neo nazi” is an undefined label certain people like to hurl around to stigmatize opposition and to maintain the devil scenario.
    It is a deflection from through and through Jewish behavior, culture and mindset. A deflection from “jewishness” and “choseness” centuries old.’

    It’s certainly true that the term ‘Nazi’ gets abused.

    At the same time, ‘Nazism’ is a definable political doctrine, and so is Zionism, and they really are very similar — arguably, virtually identical.

    In this case, the label isn’t just random slander. It’s a perfectly accurate description.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  103. @Colin Wright

    That’s our story and we are sticking with it. Your story is your story.
    We got the land and we are not giving it up.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  104. @AnonStarter

    ‘… Unfortunately, it’s how most Jews define themselves today, whether we like it or not.’

    Yeah — but this merely demonstrates that most Jews have become Zionists. At most, it suggests that Judaism itself has become little more than Zionism. Certainly that’s true for many Jews. The service at the synagogue can become little more than a general social and fund-raiser for Israel.

    However, this isn’t the same as demonstrating that there’s anything inherently Jewish about Zionism. As I said, Cambodians could have taken up the doctrine. It’s not necessary to be a Jew to take Nazi dogma and apply it to a claim to a piece of land that isn’t yours.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
    , @AnonStarter
  105. Lot says:
    @Colin Wright

    “ Of course, they’ll have to live in a polyethnic state where about half the judges are Palestinian, half the police are Palestinian, about half the armed troops and their officers are Palestinian“

    So as a jihadi you want the Jews of Israel to set themselves up to get the Armenian/Assyrian/Yazidi treatment?

    Well too bad: Atzmon and Unz’s ethnomasochism is fortunately a shrinking minority trait in Israel.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  106. A123 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    They put up a barbed wire fence in front of the Western wall. No Jews allowed. The also made Jerusalem Juden free. They burned down all the synagogues. … Anyone who thinks that Islam is going to allow Jews to live there under any circumstances is not familiar with the history of the Mufti of Jerusalem who was Hitlers best friend.

    Here we 100% agree. The non-native Muslim faith needs to leave Jewish land. There is no viable solution if a foreign death cult occupies non-Muslim land.

    I do not see this changing unless they make Jordan the Palestinian state.

    As long as non-native Islamists leave Judea & Samaria, why is it important where they go?

    Push Jordan too hard and it could become a failed state like Somalia or Lebanon. That has a great deal of downside risk.

    Formation of New Muslim Palestine on land that is currently part of Egypt or Saudi Arabia would meet the needs of Jewish Palestine. And, it facilitates culling the current failed PLO / UNRWA / PA leadership so they cannot damage the new entity.

    PEACE 😇

  107. @AnonStarter

    Very nicely substantiated.

    Had to laugh at A123’s lame reply to your evidence-based post. But that’s always the way, isn’t it?

    • Replies: @A123
    , @AnonStarter
  108. @Colin Wright

    At the same time, ‘Nazism’ is a definable political doctrine

    Define it please, let’s see how your definition matches the reality of national socialist Germany.
    Ie, do you draw your definition from the US history channel lala land or from reality?

    “Nazism” is a communist/jewish term btw, same as “fascism”.

    • LOL: Fran Taubman
    • Replies: @Germanicus
    , @Colin Wright
  109. @A123


    LOL.

    An absurd Judeosupremacist arbitrarily conceives of something called “Jewish Palestine” supposedly extant in 1922. Totally made up, of course. There was never any “Jewish Palestine”–or any subtitle for Trans-Jordan as “Arab Palestine.” And best of all, the boundaries of “Jewish Palestine” anticipate the final elimination of Palestinian territory in the West Bank and Gaza.

    Is there anything on the planet more mendacious than a Jew?

    In the lower right-hand corner, I see that we have some random Jew conniver named Eli E. Hertz to thank for this ludicrous concoction. At Amazon, his bio blurb reads as follows: “Eli Hertz is the President of Myths and Facts, Inc. an organization devoted to research, education and publication of information regarding U.S. interests in the world and particularly in the Middle East.”

    “US interests!” Typical Jew dishonesty. The only interests he is interested in are those of the tribe.

  110. A123 says:
    @Oscar Peterson

    Had to laugh at A123’s lame reply to your evidence-based post.

    — Why are 10 lefty rulings by fake Obama judges relevant?
    — — Why are 100 lefty rulings by fake Obama judges relevant?
    — — — Why are 1,000 lefty rulings by fake Obama judges relevant?

    Your feeble attempt to rationalize volume as a replacement for quality is an obvious #BDSfail.

    Please, keep the incompetence coming. Self defeating opposition is the best kind.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Oscar Peterson
  111. @Colin Wright

    You are a crack up Colin. You keep trying to rationalize our story.
    Problem is that it is our story, our lives, our safety and survival.

    You are more than welcome to take the other side and say that we are deranged lunatics,
    or like others on this thread decide to label all Jews and Zionism rapacious and evil
    Fair enough.

    But every argument has to sides. At least Colin try and follow the logic of our side, our history as we know it. It is comical the way that you phrase it. Like if we only knew the facts as you know it.
    It is laughable.
    We have coherent history with legal facts and knowledge of right and wrong. Our logic is not a Cambodia or ludicrous comparisons as to what is inherently Jewish in Zionism blah blah blah.

    We have a legitimate claim to the land. If you don’t like that just say it but don’t try to reframe it as if we only understood the facts. Those our not our facts.
    Can you understand that. Stick with us being evil at least that has a logic.
    No serious scholar thinks this or thinks that. No Colin plenty of serious scholars agree with Zionist logic regarding the land.

    • Replies: @Oscar Peterson
  112. @Germanicus

    I would point out that Fran Taubman’s definition is the most absurd of all, because she would not be posting if her definition was true, she would not exist.

    Taubman, what a name. Taub means deaf in German, ranks right after Einstein and Freud. Nomen est omen.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  113. @Fran Taubman

    ‘…We got the land and we are not giving it up.’

    So much for that famous Jewish thirst for justice.

  114. @A123

    Until you give AnonStarter a substantive response, instead of whining about “fake judges,” whatever those are, there’s nothing for me to reply to on this subject.

    • Replies: @A123
  115. @Colin Wright

    /However, this isn’t the same as demonstrating that there’s anything inherently Jewish about Zionism./

    It would be more accurate to say there isn’t anything inherently Jewish about religious or ideological extremism, but zionism itself is a contemporary manifestation of Jewish extremism — said extremism being a phenomenon that’s been with the Jews in one way, shape, or form since the time of Solomon, though not, of course, definitive of Judaism per se.

    The sole means by which to understand its origin lies in Scripture. One needn’t believe everything therein to see it, though the Book often tells us more than they would like us to know, particularly between the lines.

  116. @Oscar Peterson

    /Had to laugh at A123’s lame reply to your evidence-based post. But that’s always the way, isn’t it?/

    Indeed, it is.

    Lately, he can’t help himself, poor guy. Like Fran, he’s apoplectic. Almost makes me feel a little sorry that I twist his tail so easily.

    Aaron needs to keep his attack dogs on a tighter leash. They’re the best advertisement for anti-zionism money never need buy.

    • Replies: @A123
  117. @Fran Taubman

    We have a legitimate claim to the land.

    Oh, do “we”?

    Just to clarify, what passports do you hold?

  118. @Oscar Peterson

    Oscar try hard to be coherent. Just look at the map.
    It is a clear map.
    All the brown on the left that belongs to the Arabs in the sea of all the brown of Arabia
    The white strip is Jewish.
    How we got here is way above your head, since you are all Jew hatred all the time, and clearly irrational.
    There could be a spec of white and you would say the same stupid shit.

    Typical Jew dishonesty.

    Doesn’t matter the white is staying Jewish.

    Those typically dishonest Jews have defended that white strip in 4 wars that they have won. They were in downtown Cairo in 67. The joke was come to Israel and see the Pyramids.
    It was a devastating loss to the four Arab armies. You do not just blow that away because you think we are dishonest.
    The Arabs lost. Had they won we would be dead.

    The Jews have been successful in sustaining a country with a high national earnings rate, education and technological advancement. They are on the world stage as trading partners. Every iPhone chip is made in Israel along with other technological and medical breakthroughs. That is just a fact of what the dishonest Jews have achieved over there.

    You can hate all the Jews all the time.
    But no country and or world leaders are going to back a Jihadis Palestine to become a failed state like every other failed state over there. Libya, and look what is happening in Syria, Iraq, etc.

    Israel is a successful country. Who gives a fuck if you think it is made up. Again look at the map.
    The white mass is there. It is not going anywhere.

    Is there anything on the planet more mendacious than a Jew?

    No Oscar there is nothing more mendacious than a Jew. Just stare at the map. Who the fuck cares what you think? Don’t like the Jews, pick up a gun and join a Jihadist crew. They are very far from those mendacious Jews you hate. You might really like hanging with Jihadist. So honest and forthright and moral!! They give out turbans for free.

  119. @Germanicus

    Another boo hoo German, not a Nazi and National Socialist that were all victimized by the Jews.
    Maybe the Reich will come back for you. You can watch those old movie reals if you get lonely.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Germanicus
  120. @Fran Taubman

    Full article calls for the death of all Jews. For obvious reasons operating under a fake name.

    If you read a similar article calling for the “death of all Nazis” you probably wouldn’t bat an eyelash, Fran. Am I right about this?

    The case can be made that today’s greatest global menace (which some call ‘Organized Jewry’) is worse than the Nazis ever were. And all of Germany was targeted for annihilation during the relatively short reign of the Third Reich.

    During WWII, the glorious Allies burned German men, women and children alive in places like Dresden, Hamburg and Berlin. Burned alive. Now that’s a real holocaust. ‘Death to all Nazis’ was their clarion call.

    Compared to Hitler’s Germany however, global Jewry is more predatory, more enduring, more pervasive, and it’s list of victims is far bigger.

    Global Jewry (it’s tentacles stretch from Jerusalem to Washington) has also orchestrated and launched more wars of aggression than the Nazis of yesteryear. And the Zions are still at it! As we speak, Israeli bombs are being dropped on Damascus and Palestine. Meanwhile, crypto-Israels manipulate American power towards crushing the Iranian economy, even though Iran seeks no war with the US.

    It should come as no surprise, Fran, that some individuals see all Jews as the enemies, just as Americans once viewed all Germans as the enemy.

    As a hard-core apolgist for predatory Global Jewry, Fran, you do not qualify as an innocent civilian. You qualify as a hard-core, Zionist propagandist. You aid and abet serial state criminality. This deserves to be noted.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  121. @Germanicus

    ‘At the same time, ‘Nazism’ is a definable political doctrine

    Define it please, let’s see how your definition matches the reality of national socialist Germany…’

    Nazism — and Zionism, of course — are totalitarian faiths. Like all totalitarian faiths, all other moral considerations become secondary to advancing the cause. The Nazi — and the Zionist — will cheerfully kill, rob, seize, humiliate, imprison, etc if it seems to him it will promote his cause. In this they are like Communists, or for that matter, religious fanatics.

    Beyond that, Nazism — and Zionism — are marked by certain peculiar beliefs.

    First, they adhere to a warped version of history that justifies their aggression. The distortions and inventions of the Zionists of course require no elaboration. For the Nazis, see the nonsense at the beginning of the propaganda film Sieg in Westen.

    Second, they believe that their ethnic group is at least potentially pure and perfectly segregated from all others, that it is superior to all others, and that only its needs and rights need be taken into account. Their opponents almost literally cease to exist. ‘A land without a people for a people without a land’/Nazi Germany’s plans to ‘settle’ an apparently vacant East.

    Then there is an open and continuous urge to violence. Nazi Germany found it impossible to remain at peace, and Israel similarly finds it impossible. Each act of violence simply serves to require the next act. Nazi Germany, of course, embarked on a career of successive acts of aggression in 1939, and didn’t halt until it was at war with most of the world. Aside from regular punitive expeditions against her captive Palestinian subjects, Israel has attacked Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, Tunisia, Great Britain, and even the United States itself in its compulsive aggressive frenzies. With the possible exception of Cyprus, there is literally no state within reach that Israel has been able to bring itself to leave alone and at peace. If she were a dog, she’d be considered mad and put down forthwith.

    There is a worship of violence. Both states exalt the warrior, and exalt the act of warfare. Nazi German art was rife with such paintings as ‘The Last Hand Grenade.’ In Israel, several politicians are former generals, and most politicians are at least former officers. Israelis enjoy war, and like seeing helpless victims being bombed; see the scenes of little girls happily writing messages on shells about to be fired into Gaza and the photos of Jews setting themselves up with sofas on hillsides overlooking Gaza to watch the show.

    Law is treated with virtually open contempt. In Israel, even Israeli law serves largely as a fig leaf. As for international law…

    Nazi Germany, of course, inaugurated its reign by simply summarily imprisoning everyone it regarded as an opponent, and went on from there. Israel, similarly, almost normally imprisons its opponents without trial, and summarily executes anyone it regards as a genuine threat.

    Both the Nazis and the Zionists refuse to seriously punish even the most egregious war crimes. The Nazis forbade the persecution of soldiers who murdered civilians, and the Israelis manage to avoid punishing even the most egregious criminals with anything more than a slap on the wrist. As I write this, one of those settlers who deliberately burnt a baby alive is free and about to enter the IDF. The Yemeni who was filmed shooting and killing a wounded Palestinian lying at his feet is free and being lionized as a hero at this moment.

    Both harbor genocidal plans for those people they conceive to be their enemies. Only the Nazis, of course, found themselves in a position where they could put this impulse into practice, but one need only read the various Israeli prescriptions for the Palestinians to realize what they could do if only they could. In both cases, the ultimate goal is to make the other vanish, and this goal is pursued without hesitation to the limits of practical possibility.

    Both states, all this notwithstanding, endlessly proclaim that they only want peace, and are merely defending themselves. Both define their opponents as not merely barbarians, but subhuman vermin, and seriously portray themselves as guardians of civilization.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  122. A123 says:
    @Oscar Peterson

    Until you give AnonStarter a substantive response, instead of whining about “fake judges,” whatever those are, there’s nothing for me to reply to on this subject.

    Oscar,

    Stop lying. I provided a substantive response and to you & NonStarter.

    No amount of volume from lefty judges will impact the results when serious Constitutionalist judges look at the matter. I even provided a citation showing that left leaning cases are overturned 80%+ of the time. Thus, as a matter of incontrovertible fact, I proved NonStarter’s ramble was irrelevant.

    If you want to be taken seriously, you need to absorb the facts that are proven instead of existing in a fact-free fantasy land.

    However, if you instead want to show the world that you are a moron….. Feel free… Keep the EPIC #BDSfail coming.

    PEACE 😇

  123. A123 says:
    @AnonStarter

    NonStarter,

    I actually pity you. You are so dissociative, irrational, and mentally ill. Please seek medical help before you begin to self harm.

    PEACE 😇

  124. @Fran Taubman

    ‘Maybe the Reich will come back for you. You can watch those old movie reals if you get lonely.’

    We’ll have to send you a box set of Cast a Giant Shadow and Exodus as soon as the last Airbus lifts off from Ben Gurion.

    But you’ll still be safe at home in Long Island, won’t you, Fran? Israel’s really just a hobby, an interest — something like torturing small animals, or pulling the wings off flies.

    That’d be about it, wouldn’t it, Fran?

  125. @Oscar Peterson

    They dredge the “Jordan = Palestine” lie up every month or so, depending on the circumstances. Here’s a link to bookmark for future reference:

    https://www.nytimes.com/1990/09/16/opinion/l-jordan-and-palestine-remain-separate-entities-505890.html

    In March 1921, Britain offered Emir Abdullah, the grandfather of King Hussein, the governance of the area east of the Jordan River, which became known as Transjordan – the area across the Jordan from Palestine – and this area was considered thereafter as separate from Palestine. Thus, in July 1922, when the League of Nations formally confirmed Britain’s mandate over Palestine, Transjordan was excluded from the Palestine mandate and from Britain’s promise to assist in the establishment of a Jewish homeland in Palestine. In 1946, Britain granted Transjordan independence, and in 1949 the country was renamed the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan.

    Israel and many of its American supporters have asserted that ”Jordan is Palestine” and that the Palestinians should be satisfied to seek fulfillment of their national aspirations in Jordan and leave all of Palestine to Israel. But the history of Transjordan-Jordan shows that except for 11 months when Jordan was carelessly thrown together with Palestine by Western powers interested only in their own colonial aggrandizement, no one – least of all the Arabs – has ever seriously regarded Jordan and Palestine as parts of the same entity.

    I’ve got debunking material for every myth they hawk. Of course, even when I post it, they’ll just ignore it and carry on as if nothing ever happened.

    You can judge for yourself whether it’s worth it or not. I prefer a good roundhouse or two to the lower jaw and then just let them stumble aimlessly about the ring, declaring victory as they nurse their swollen tongue. It’s about the best you can do for them.

  126. @mark green

    Maybe you can get together with Germanicus and watch old National Socialist news reels and talk about the good old days.

  127. old farta says:

    Who the hell cares. Let those have the arms fight it out, and let the winner take all.

    • Agree: Fran Taubman
  128. @Oscar Peterson

    Edit: “That’s about the best you can do for them — aside from ignoring them completely.”

  129. @Lot

    ‘So as a jihadi you want the Jews of Israel to set themselves up to get the Armenian/Assyrian/Yazidi treatment?’

    First you claim I’m demanding you leave.

    I say you can stay if you want to.

    Now you don’t want to stay. Okay; leave.

  130. @AnonStarter

    ‘…I’ve got debunking material for every myth they hawk. Of course, even when I post it, they’ll just ignore it and carry on as if nothing ever happened…’

    That’s the problem. It’s like dealing with a cross between a Nazi and a used car salesman.

    …and you’re not getting the best of both.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  131. @AnonStarter

    Do you know why Britain offered it to King Husseins grandfather a Hashmite from Saudi Arabia and Iraq?
    Not a Palestinian or as you like to say he not indigenous to Palestine. Jordan is more of a colonial construct then Israel. A totally fake country. The Hashmites are a minority in Jordan.
    The same people West of the Jordan are the same people East of Jordan. It was all the same.
    Not including the Hashmites.
    Ask the House of Saud who took over Arabia from the Hashmites the true guardians of Mecca and Medina

    It was a mafia style takeover. I guess because they are all Muslim it gets washed over.
    But it is a pretty gruesome tale of the takeover of Arabia, by King Saud.

    • Agree: Lot
    • Replies: @anon
    , @FB
  132. @Fran Taubman

    Maybe the Reich will come back

    Is that you Anja?

    It never went away, your imposed cangaroo “constuitutional court” had to rule that, because it still exists as a legal subject of intl. law, it is just unorganized to this day, since the allied occupiers executed the last lawful German government and no peace treaty has been signed yet. We are working on that.

    You should show NS Germany more respect, they trained you to build a state with a transfer agreement, made you productive, from usurers to people who actually work, but lack still human being qualities.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  133. the rest of the world is becoming hostile ….we had been there before , not just once or twice,,

    This just in:

    Arabs against BDS, realizing that it is harming the economy of the Palestinians and other Arab states
    . The future of the ME, depends on economic prosperity and working with Israel towards that end.
    This article written by a Muslim, and is quite profound in its observations and recommendations.
    Total opposite of your doom and gloom.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/arabs-against-boycotting-israel-11574293923

    This article about the Netherlands suspending funding to the PA for their funding of terrorist and their families.
    http://www.thetower.org/6966-dutch-parliament-cuts-aid-to-pa-by-7-due-to-terror-due-to-terror-funding/

    This article about the Dutch rejecting the EU labeling of settlement products.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/dutch-parliament-passes-motion-opposing-labeling-of-settlement-products/

    To me the world is leaving the Palestinian behind. The train has left the station, they no longer have the sympathy of the world for their constant portrayal as victims. Propaganda and lies are being brought to the forefront.
    As I said America is in the middle of an impeachment, Britain can not form a government. China is on the verge of a revolution. Iran is also on the verge of collapse.
    And you think the world is hostile to Israel?

  134. @Colin Wright

    You have nicely regurgitated the jewish nonsensical narrative, well done.

    Now I know where to sort you in. Thanks.

    You basically still try to claim the Jews in Palestine behave just like “nazis”, while in reality, they behave like Jews have been behaving for centuries. They are just being Jews there, and all the genocide, blood lust etc is already in their Torah.

    So, how Jews behave in Palestine has nothing to do with imaginary “nazis” whatsoever, but all to do with “jewishness”, my shilling kosher friend.

  135. @Germanicus

    SEIG HEIL!!!

    Enough respect Germanicus.
    Colin you are in deep, you need to understand you cannot say anything bad about National Socialism
    to this guy. He is a tad sensitive and pro (nazi) shhh.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  136. FB says: • Website

    [Too much unnecessary profanity reduces the likelihood of a comment getting published.]

    Finally the US Supports One State Solution

    What a fucking lie…

    [MORE]

    From the Crypto-Zionist Atzmon…who has been shunned by the worldwide Palestinian liberation movement…who has never pointed his verbal arrows at Israeli settlers…and who grew up at the knee of his Irgun-member grandfather, who participated lustily in the extermination of Palestinians…

    These are the facts about Dear Atzmon…who is certainly clever enough to play the hog barn here like an accordion [a more interesting instrument than the goofy horn anyway…]

    Listen up folks…talk is extremely cheap…in fact it costs nothing…

    Atzmon [and many unprincipled Jews] have no problem moving their lips and making sounds that mean nothing…like denying the holocaust, which is ancient history now and can never happen again, obviously…considering the power of Israel and the even greater global power of elite Jewry embedded at the top of the food chain…

    These are throwaway lines for the gullible…of which this website is full…

    Zionist-in-Palestinian-clothing Atzmon’s agenda is all about promoting Israel’s colonialism…

    This latest bullshit being sopped up here like pig slop only proves what a fake Atzmon is…

    Think about it…the US has just reversed decades of policy by now recognizing the illegal settlements in the West Bank…

    HOW THE FUCK DOES THIS LEAD TO SOME KUMBAYA ONE-MAN, ONE VOTE, ONE STATE…?

    No dear gullible friends…it leads to Greater Israel and nothing more…the Jewish State will never kill itself by allowing the Palestinians to vote and to take rule, as happened in South Africa…

    Anyone that thinks that needs to have his fucking head examined…

    You all don’t even bother to scratch the surface of this flim flam man…you just follow like automatons because he is making the right noises…

    [Again, actually serving the anti-Palestinian agenda and doing nothing to harm Israel…in fact helping its cause by MANUFACTURING HIS OWN ANTI-SEMITISM…which is then condemned and used to tar the Palestinian liberation…as well as to cement pro-Israel public opinion…]

    Did you even look at his silly book…it’s all about ‘Jewishness’…the Zionist and Irgun roots in him will always betray his real agenda to those who are not dumb enough to be fooled by his shtick…

    This asshole needs to fess up to his Zionist agenda…as a first step to becoming a human being…

    • Agree: Fran Taubman
    • Replies: @AaronB
  137. AaronB says:
    @FB

    So you figured it out. Atzmon has long been working for the Zionists. He tries to package the expansion of Israel as a win for the Palestinians lol.

    And Germanicus has figured out that Colin Wright has long been working for the Zionists as well. He pretends to hate Israel as long as he can slip in that the Holocaust happened and say bad things about the Nazis.

    Honestly I was laughing at you guys until now – I even called Colin Wright a frenemy, giving you a clue.

    It took you long enough to figure it out lol.

    Oh well, we have to mix up our tactics now.

    • Replies: @FB
    , @Fran Taubman
    , @Germanicus
  138. FB says: • Website
    @AaronB

    Aaron…at least your own Zionism is honest and out in the open…

    As for Atzmon, my calling him out as fake goes back a very long time…

    As for Colin, he made a very good comment up there calling out the hideous nature of Nazism…I would have hit the agree button had he not decided to throw communism in there as well…hopefully he will continue on his voyage of discovery and learn the truth about socialism…

    As for Israel, my position has always been crystal clear…Israel has a right to exist in its pre-1967 borders…the UN Security Council Resolutions have made clear that you cannot grab land by use of force…[Note to Colin…don’t start in again on that debate]…

    The US is doing more harm than good for Israel by having installed a hardline mentality there that wasn’t always there…the US is using Israel more than the other way around…too bad for the so-called ‘smart’ Jews that ‘control the world’…

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  139. @AaronB

    It is all hilarious. Just goes to show you just never know where the Zionist are. They are everywhere even in disguise as goyim enemies. LOL
    You just cannot trust anyone, they are all part of the conspiracy.

    • LOL: A123, AaronB
    • Replies: @A123
  140. @AaronB

    And Germanicus has figured out that Colin Wright has long been working for the Zionists as well.

    Sometimes, you Jews tell the truth by trying to ridicule it.

    Btw, I did not say he works for “zionists”, I basically said, he is a good propaganda foot soldier for the rotten empire, which is run by criminal Jews.

    I don’t differentiate, a Jew is a Jew, who maybe is a zionist, or marxist, or both. I don’t play the “you can’t say Jew” game.

    As long as it is jewish international socialism which killed 100 million, all is good, it serves the Jews, if it is non jewish national socialism, then its bad, doesn’t serve the Jews. Got you, but no surprises here.

    • LOL: FB
  141. anon[312] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot

    How does the Jew elevate the rest of their tribe ? How do the Jews create a persona about themselves ?

    How do they digress and divert ?

    When peace was about to break out in Vietnam , the first reaction of these people was how not allow it in case it affected free delivery of arms, sales of arms ,loans relates to security to Israel, and hurt Israeli eternal war preparedness for preemptive wars by creating a peaceful world .

    The peace breakout will hurt joint collaboration, secretive military projects and Israeli arms supplies to Latin America to feuding Arab countries and stop US – Israeli torture assassination and regime change programs .

    Israeli firster Kristol ,declared and anointed as great American thinker and patriot by Jewish power ,opined anti peace doctrine and then revolted against the American public by gutting the Democrats Party .
    In 1991 a peaceful solution preventing Gulf war was prevented by Jews power in US and UK .
    Same thing happened in 2003.
    War could have been avoided killing of non
    Muslim by Muslim
    Could have been have avoided but the Jews prevented any thought of peace emerging .

    They cause bad blood They shed blood. They force one group fight other . Then they take the side of one of the parties to maintain the bloodshed .

    Now the question for the rest of the humanity is: how do you deal with this !

    DdI the engineer Biafra violence?
    You bet ,
    Did they cause S Sudan and Libyan fiasco ?
    You bet .

    Did they cause the Yezdi massacre ?
    You bet .
    Onetime they were openly saying they didn’t want any solution in Syria only continuation of blood shed which would allow Israel to prosper and survive .

    But how do they survive ? They take that window to capture more lands kill more Arab and sell arms to some ISIS to keep the balance and they use the threat from the battle ( that’s waging between different factions in Syria ) for obtaining more free money military gadgets and high tech weaponry. All free !

    Now did they go to Biafra and Libyan partisans and to Yedzi or Kurd and offer support in exchange for carrying the dirty water for Israel ?
    You bet they did , they would and they are doing .

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  142. anon[312] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Get the book – Macbeth or take May book like this one – One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest

    Now come and discuss the book .

    It seems all the discussions that you can have , all the fine points that you can raise is limited to the few paragraphs buried deep inside the book .

    Your story about Saudi Arab is just like that . It is neither here nor there .

    Why don’t you read this book

    How Zionism Created the Saudi Arab !

    The story is about the diabolical Zionist project of creating a monster , present that monster as Islamic and indigenous in origin and supper it with money and arms . After that phase is built , destroy the nationalist and secular alternatives with British threat Saudi armies and through Zionist ‘s micromanagement of British diplomacy .

    Zionist has no shame . What waits them is total destruction . That ‘s what can save the humanity .

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  143. @anon

    Oh no !! Another Jewish plot underfoot. So many around the world I can hardly keep track.
    The federal reserve and banking system one day.
    Now the invention of Saudi Arabis. What next? They are colonizing the moon. That evil tribe, and taking their gold with them.

    Are you per chance a Shia Jihadist? Common don’t be shy.

    • Replies: @anon
  144. @anon

    So you are saying the Jews work both sides of the street? Wow that is awesome I never heard that one before.
    Sounds a bit confusing, how do you coordinate that secret walkie talkies!!! And dumb goyim.

  145. Amon says:

    Meh, both sides want to drive the other one into the sea or desert in order to have all the land for the themselves.

    Frankly this is a Juden/Muslim problem and none of our business, let the filthy gutter rats sort it out on their own and with their own money.

    • Agree: Fran Taubman
    • Replies: @anon
  146. A123 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    It is all hilarious. Just goes to show you just never know where the Zionist are. They are everywhere even in disguise as goyim enemies. LOL You just cannot trust anyone, they are all part of the conspiracy.

    Wait… What are you saying ?

    We Are ALL Zionists Now !!!

    Aren’t we all supposed to be Pali-muslim now? Wow. That died out quickly.

    Guess no one wanted to be on the losing side with Iran. Over 200 dead at the hands of the Ayatollah’s Shock Troops of Restraint in a week. So at 52 wk/yr, the rate would be over 10,000/yr.

    PEACE 😇

  147. FB says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    You’re very confused Fran…

    Jordan is more of a colonial construct then Israel. A totally fake country.

    Which would imply that Israel is still a fake country and a colonial construct…only less so…

    This is all actually true…the entirety of West Asia [what we call the Mideast] passed from one empire [the Turks] to another [the Europeans]…

    However…the age of colonialism is long over…we can’t undo every wrong that has ever been done…that’s called revanchism and irredentism…

    Yet…the ONLY country that still practices colonialism is Israel…with its illegal colonial settlements in the West Bank…no honest person on earth is going to condone that, including many Jews…[especially considering that these settlers are mostly religious nutcases]…

    Even the Obama administration, as witnessed in his parting shot of allowing to pass a LEGALLY BINDING UNSC Resolution about he illegality of those colonial settlements…

    As for the Saudis…sure, they are contemptible…as evidenced by the war against children and innocent civilians by vicious aerial bombardment…

    But two wrongs do not somehow make a right…so there is no point calling the kettle black…

    Btw…since I mentioned the barbarity of KSA bombardment on Yemeni cities, which is fully enabled by the US and its euro puppets, who give these savages all the munitions they need to carry out these bombardments…with the US even providing flying gas stations free of charge [ie on the taxpayer’s dime]…let’s consider this…

    Along with most other major countries, Britain and Germany had signed international conventions prohibiting the aerial bombardment of civilian urban targets, and although the British leader had very much hoped the Germans would attack his cities, Hitler scrupulously followed these provisions.

    In desperation, Churchill therefore ordered a series of large-scale bombing raids against the German capital of Berlin…

    This appeared here as part of an ‘article’ by Ron Unz our Dear Host…where the revisionist historian David Irving’s work on WW2 is discussed…

    Just to put into context how far the imperialists and fascists of today have moved back to the age of barbarity…where nearly a century ago it was agreed by all civilized nations that bombing urban centers is not to be part of the rules of war…today it is routine…

    The bombing of Yugoslavia in 1999 [illegal; no UNSC approval]…the bombing of Baghdad in 2003 [illegal; no UNSC resolution]…the bombing of Libya, where there was a UNSC resolution only for a no-fly zone…not to bomb Libyan cities on behalf of terrorist headchoppers…before that Vietnam…etc…

    We still see Israel bombing Syrian cities…just yesterday actually…the US still firing volleys of cruise missiles as it pleases etc…of course these matters are of no import and no concern on this website…where the ‘Jewish Question’ is all that seems to matter [plus of course ‘race realism’]…

    • Replies: @A123
    , @Lot
    , @Fran Taubman
  148. @Fran Taubman

    The Arabs have never accepted any part of the Mandate of Palestine to be set aside for Jews.
    These are legal land disputes.

    They don’t have to! A “settlement” imposed by victors of a pan-genocidal WW2, on the original inhabitants of Palestine.

    I am surprised you are using a lame “whataboutism” on U$A/Canada genocide of the Indigenous of North America, “You guys did it, so we can too!”

    Evolve and join the Human Race.

    • Agree: FB
  149. @Colin Wright

    Israel is about to make a big mistake.
    The hasbara trolls will not be able keep their snorkel vent above the surface, and will drown in their hubris.

  150. where the ‘Jewish Question’ is all that seems to matter

    The Jew question involves the US, because the US is controlled by Jews.

    Saudi Arabia is interesting, the history. Iraqi intelligence documents captured by the US invaders state clearly, the Wahhabi are of jewish origin.

    Here are the documents…

    https://fas.org/irp/eprint/iraqi/wahhabi.pdf

    which explain quite nicely the secret partnership/alliance between Saud and Israel.

    Can you distinguish between Weizmann and Faisal? Who is who?

    • Replies: @FB
  151. anon[191] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Taubman

    In 10 yrs from now Zionist would claim that they had nothing to do with assassinations, bombings, setting the sanctions and implementing the sanctions on Iran .

    They even would claim that they didn’t wage wars against Syria Lebanon and did not force Iraq war .
    Not that long ago Jews were threatening Saudi maligning 24/7 nonstop on media and was creating the beginning of Islamiohba

    Now the Zionist are claiming with pride that Arab Sheiks and Saudi Wahabis are their wonderful friends .

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  152. A123 says:
    @FB

    FB,

    We have missed your comedy, thanks for coming back.

    Can you name the top 3 groups using or threatening aerial rocket bombardment of civilian cities? Rockets have probably slipped your mind, so let me help you:

    -1- Al’Hamas
    -2- Palestinian-Iranian Islamic Jihad [PIJ]
    -3- Al’Hezbollah — Remember all those 100,000+ Katyusha aerial bombardment rockets Nasrallah keeps bragging about?

    Maybe Fran is right and we ARE all Zionists now. You just served up a triple order of Chutzpah, More Chutzpah, and Even More Chutzpah.
    _______

    Confucius says: He who lives in rocket factory should not lite fires!
    _______

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @FB
  153. Lot says:
    @FB

    “ Yet…the ONLY country that still practices colonialism is Israel”

    It is only colonialism when Christians and Jews do it. Turkish invasion of North Cyprus and settlement of Turks there and expelling Greeks: not colonialism for the Unz jihadis.

    Ethnic cleansing of Kurds, Yazidi, Assyrians and replacement by Arabs and Turks…not colonialism.

    • Replies: @FB
  154. FB says: • Website
    @A123

    Look you silly caricature of a humanoid…nobody takes your hasbara seriously…it’s way too obvious and way too stupid…

    Hezbollah hasn’t fired any rockets at Israeli cities [although they did quite efficiently take out an Israeli armoured personnel carrier not too long ago, in retaliation for an inept Israeli mini-drone attack…]

    On the other hand…Israel is bragging about how it has launched more than 200 missile attacks at Syria…many of them at civilian structures, the Damascus airport etc…

    But thanks for the faceplant, Hasbara Gerbil…always entertaining to say the least…LOL

    • Replies: @A123
  155. FB says: • Website
    @Lot

    Not so fast and loose with the facts there, Lotto…

    The Turkish land grab in Cyprus does certainly qualify as colonialism…I happen to know Greek Cypriots who are full of hate because of it…which is in fact understandable, as that is what the colonized party is always going to resort to…

    As for the Kurds…that is a different kettle of fish altogether…let’s look into that shall we…

    Turkey accounts for the majority of Kurds…at least 15 million within its borders…now those Kurds at first sought self-determination and independence…like the Kosovo Albanians…

    But the Kosovo Albanians were given their own fake country [illegal…against UNSC 1244]…the Kurds are deemed terrorists…

    See the difference…?

    So who is siding with the Muslim Turks and against the Christian Serbs and Greeks…it wouldn’t be the US and its euro puppets would it…?

    To be fair here…Israel has been mostly pro-Serb on the Kosovo issue [although some fake ‘holocaust survivors’ like Elie Weasel have been rabidly anti-Serb…despite the fact that both communities were butchered with equal gusto by the Nazis…]

    But in the end, it would be fair for the Kurds to have at least basic rights in Turkey…such as their own language schools etc…that is the bare minimum…but they don’t get even that…while Muslim ‘Kosovars’ get their own country…

    How do you explain that…?

    There is only one way to explain it…the US has gone full fascist…and has long been full imperialist…I have said many times that Israel is the last European colonial project…and that is true…

    Do the Jews deserve their own country…?

    Yes they do…and after the horrors of the Nazis they got it, despite the swindling from Perfidious Albion [and perhaps because of it…since, if it wasn’t for the British double-dealing the original UN partition plan might have gone ahead fairly peacefully…we will never know]…

    But the Jewish State is not entitled to the West Bank or Gaza or the Golan Heights…that is simply not kosher…

    • Replies: @Lot
  156. Lot says:
    @FB

    “ But the Jewish State is not entitled to the West Bank or Gaza or the Golan Heights…that is simply not kosher…”

    I think they’d be happy to give Gaza back to Egypt, or independence if the rocket and tunnel and chemical fire attacks stopped.

    Golan’s native population is mostly still there with Israeli citizenship. Handing it over to a dictatorship in the middle of a civil war that has killed 250,000 is your proposal?

    West Bank I think should just be split between Israel and Jordan, with at least some settlements abandoned. (And not demolishing the settlement’s buildings, as in Gaza, which was obnoxious.)

    As for Kosovo, US policy toward Serbia was shameful. The solution to both Bosnia and Kosovo was breaking them up in accordance with the wishes of the local populations. It has been done before, it works. Serbia didn’t need an even bigger Muslim minority, but the ethnic Serb areas should have been permanently attached to Serbia.

    • Replies: @FB
    , @Colin Wright
  157. FB says: • Website
    @Germanicus

    Interesting document you posted…

    The Emergence of AI-Wahhabiyyah movement and its Historical Roots

    That’s from the Iraqi military intelligence, 2002…interesting to see it posted on the FAS website [Federation of American Scientists]…

    Keep your enemy in front of your eyes…Never let him behind your back

    Saddam Hussein (God save & protect him)

    Good old Saddam…poor bugger…

    We recall that his Ba’ath movement was a sectarian movement with socialist elements, such as public education, health care etc…not a bad thing…same as the Ba’ath in Syria…which would explain why the Outlaw Empire Fascists have been trying to destroy those nations…successfully in the case of the former…

    Now Saddam was no dummy either…he knew who the enemy was…the first part of that document rails against the British with accusations of ‘colonialism’…which of course has a lot of truth to it…

    As for the Wahabs being crypto-Jews [the Donmeh]…that is not news and is not very meaningful anyway…

    Why…?

    Because they are extreme religious nutcases anyway…what’s the difference if it’s religion A or B…?

    Catholics and Evangelicals can be just as crazy as the most rabid Jews or Wahabs…and have proven that beyond any doubt over many centuries…

    Incidentally, the discussion on the Donmeh starts on page 20…

    Muhammad Bin’ Abd-al-Wahab is a descent of a family from the Jews of AI-Dunamah in Turkey. Al-Dunmah refers to the Jews who declared their embracement of Islam in an effort to insult Islam and to escape the pursuit by the Ottoman sultans.

    • Replies: @FB
    , @Germanicus
  158. @anon

    Your nuts
    I am a Zionist, barely get thru the day never mind assassinate someone. Gezz

    • Replies: @anon
  159. @FB

    Israel has one wars directly attacking her right to exist. With the sole express desire to bring her down with no land.
    They won those wars. Wars have consequeces.
    They exist because they have survived.

    • Disagree: FB
  160. FB says: • Website
    @FB

    Meant to say secular movement, not ‘sectarian’…about Ba’athism…

  161. FB says: • Website
    @Lot

    Golan’s native population is mostly still there with Israeli citizenship. Handing it over to a dictatorship in the middle of a civil war that has killed 250,000 is your proposal?

    Come on…what are you spreading the gospel according to CNN now…?

    And no, Israel can’t keep half of the West Bank [or any part of it]…it’s against international law as spelled out in UNSC 242, 338 and others…

    It’s not a good thing for Israel in the long term even if it were somehow feasible, which it’s not…because it will simply delay the inevitable backlash from those who are the rightful owners of those lands…

    Let us remember that 700,000 Palestinians were forced out [or fled for their lives] in 1948…

    They number several million now and that is a big issue in itself…so in the long run, Israel would be smart to stick to international law and get out of the occupied territories completely…and work out some kind of monetary compensation with those that still have titles to their land and homes that they were forced from in Israel proper…

    Better to start building good will now…before it’s too late…

    Look at South Africa…the Dutch settlers three hundred years ago certainly never thought the day would come that they would be the ones to flee for their lives…

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Corvinus
  162. @Fran Taubman

    ‘… Colin you are in deep, you need to understand you cannot say anything bad about National Socialism
    to this guy. He is a tad sensitive and pro (nazi) shhh.

    It actually makes for a kind of a sense of balance.

    If I’m getting barked at from both sides, I must be right in the center.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  163. @Lot

    ‘Golan’s native population is mostly still there with Israeli citizenship. Handing it over to a dictatorship in the middle of a civil war that has killed 250,000 is your proposal?’

    Of course, that it is Israel itself that has used the US to perpetuate that civil war (see Clinton’s emails) is neither here nor there.

    ‘Can’t return the Golan now — Syria’s embroiled in civil war.’

    You guys are too much.

    • Replies: @Lot
  164. “At present, the land is ruled over by a racist, tribal and discriminatory ideology through an apparatus that calls itself ‘The Jewish State;’ and declares itself home for every Jew around the world; yet, is abusive, lethal and some would say genocidal toward the indigenous people of the land.”

    Oh give me a break. No one gives a shit about “racism”, “tribalism”, or “discriminatory ideology”. What the Israelis do in their sandy hellhole is of no concern to any American so long as they stay there.

    They’ll never stay there, but that isn’t the point.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  165. @Colin Wright

    Don’t you think the neo nazis make us Zionist look good!! I mean they are totally out there.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  166. @FB

    ‘…the US is using Israel more than the other way around…too bad for the so-called ‘smart’ Jews that ‘control the world’…’

    Sure. We’ve used Israel to um…err…

    • Replies: @FB
    , @FB
  167. @Cock a Doodle Do

    ‘… Oh give me a break. No one gives a shit about “racism”, “tribalism”, or “discriminatory ideology”. What the Israelis do in their sandy hellhole is of no concern to any American so long as they stay there…’

    I’m an American, and I give a shit about it.

    Not only is it all egregious evil, but it’s egregious evil I sponsor and protect.

    While there are many things wrong with the world, there are only a few of them we can actually do much about.

    One of those things that we can actually do something about is Israel. We can pull the plug.

  168. @Fran Taubman

    ‘Don’t you think the neo nazis make us Zionist look good!! I mean they are totally out there.’

    Unfortunately, Fran, while the Neo-Nazis aren’t realizing their fantasies, you Zionists are.

    • Agree: FB
  169. @Colin Wright

    You’re on a steeper learning curve than most, so it’s nothing new for you and quite a few others here. Yet occasionally, there are some for whom the debunking info is brand new. There will always be folks like this, which is what keeps the hasbaraites coming back as well.

    Divert, distort, disrupt, denigrate, or deny any discussion of the corruption of American government at the hands of that foreign power enjoying the most successful track record of so doing. In almost every venue, they’ve locked that discussion down, and if they could, they’d do it here as well.

    In the meantime, we see a peculiar kind of behavior one wouldn’t expect to see from a people so confident in their unassailable superiority. If this is just an internet backwater for ineffective, loser nobodies, then why bother with them and their “lies”? Who cares who believes them? They’re just a fringe, nutball minority anyways.

    Unless, of course, they’re nothing of the kind.

    Then it all begins to make sense.

  170. Lot says:
    @Colin Wright

    “ Of course, that it is Israel itself that has used the US to perpetuate that civil war”

    Dhimmi Wannabe, are Arabs ever responsible for their depravity, violence, and general backward barbarity?

    US Civil War: White Americans’ Fault
    Syrian Civil War… also White Americans’ fault.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  171. A123 says:
    @FB

    they did quite efficiently take out an Israeli armoured personnel carrier not too long ago, in retaliation for an inept Israeli mini-drone attack…]

    You mean an ambulance. Iran used an anti-tank missile on a military ambulance. You are bragging about Iranian violations of international law.
    _____

    On the other hand…Israel is bragging about how it has launched more than 200 missile attacks at Syria…many of them at civilian structures, the Damascus airport etc…

    Israel has been attacking Iranian military targets. Why are ‘brave and courageous’ Iranian troops hiding among civilians putting them at risk? The real question is, “How long will Assad allow reckless Iranian behaviour to endanger his civilian population?”

    Any deal that gets Erdogan to withdraw his troops will also necessitate the departure of al’Hezbollah and Iranian regular military troops. Give Trump enough leverage to beat back the U.S. deep state, and he can finally extract 100% of American troops. It would take a comprehensive and verifiable agreement, but that is achievable now that Erdogan has given up on regime change.

    PEACE 😇
    _______

    (1) https://comicallyincorrect.com

    • Replies: @FB
    , @FB
  172. @FB

    Because they are extreme religious nutcases anyway…what’s the difference if it’s religion A or B…?

    Not sure I can follow you here.

    I regard the Wahhabi as the enforcers of noahide law, Jews in muslim garb, they decapitate just as the noahide laws state. Thye also worship a black cube, same as the jews with their Tefillin on the forehead, and all their black cube stuff, from “D-wave” to private intelligence.

    In my view, the area of Saudi Arabia is the original homeland of the Jews, they originate there.

    • Replies: @FB
  173. anon[262] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Zionists are running out of excuses .

    How did they force Corbyn to expel america Livingstone who barely touched upon in passing the open secret of Zionist collaboration with Nazis?
    Yesterday’s truth becomes the poison for the future or more correctly the 3 rd rail of politics .

    Keeping up is indeed painfully embarrassing experience.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  174. FB says: • Website
    @A123

    Anus123 decides to return for more punishment…

    You mean an ambulance. Iran used an anti-tank missile on a military ambulance. You are bragging about Iranian violations of international law.

    Sure fool…unfortunately for your hasbara spiel, Hezbollah are not only kicking your overrated Israeli bum bum…but also taking film while doing so…

    That BROWN and very wide vehicle with no visible red cross on it is no ambulance…[listen to the cheers of millions around the world as that ‘ambulance’ goes up in a ball of smoke and flame…LOL]

    Btw…after that masterful strike on the ZioNazi criminals…

    Israeli authorities opened rocket shelters in Upper Galilee in the aftermath of Hezbollah’s attack.

    LOLOLOL

    Hope you make yourself right at home in those shelters…you will be living there 24/7 any day now…

  175. FB says: • Website
    @Germanicus

    You just answered your own question…

    I never could understand ‘pyramid power’ and that ‘black cube’ stuff sounds just as zany [never really noticed it before…but doesn’t mean modern electronic media isn’t using such goofy symbolism in their attempts at some kind of messaging…]

    But how are those Jewish nutcases with those cubes strapped to their forehead [and those leather bands wound tightly around their hands] any worse than the Jehovah’s Witnesses that watch their baby die because they refuse a blood transfusion…?

    All the while ‘praying’ on their knees in full-retard mode…

    People in general are stupid and superstitious…religion [of every kind…including especially capitalism and liberalism etc] are just making them irredeemably stupid and useless…I offer this hog barn where we are gathered as exhibit one…

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  176. FB says: • Website
    @Colin Wright

    Come on man…get real…

    It takes two to tango…unless one party happens to be a necrophiliac…

    Which is I guess what our Oligarchy is in your opinion…getting screwed by the big bad Israelis while dead as a doornail…

    Right…

    Where does US military power in the Middle East come from…just the bases and aircraft carriers, or the Permanent Attack Dog that bites first and asks questions later…?

    It’s good to have a crazy dog like that if you are a psychopath…because you can always blame it on your dog while you get your rocks off every time it shakes a neighborhood Yorkie to pieces…

    I guess you have a long way to go to start putting elementary puzzle pieces together…I see some of the commenters here from the other side of the street are likewise calling into question your cognitive abilities…either way there is something a bit off about your naivete…

    Also don’t take it personal as in ‘WE’ using Israel…your name isn’t King Bezos or Jimmy Clapper last time I checked…these ‘folks’ have nothing to do with you and I…

    • Agree: Fran Taubman
    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  177. FB says: • Website
    @Colin Wright

    And btw Colin…

    Since I’m here already, you might want to think also about ‘moral authority’ and ‘soft power’…in terms of the Israel project of modern, globalist imperialism…

    Who has set up the myth of ‘poor Jews’ and the Holocaust religion…?

    It wouldn’t be our very own cradle to grave Indoctrination State…and the Mighty Wurlitzer…?

    [Goebbels must be cheering wildly from his bed of hot coals in Hades…when not shaking his head in amazement at how far we have come with his primitive germ of an idea of ‘bringing the people along’…]

    There were lots of ‘holocausts’ in WW2…even a German one, with the merciless firebombing of German cities…but only one has been carefully chosen and nurtured lovingly as THE ONE AND ONLY…

    Funny how that actually came to be…because at first, the Dear US of A [home of the free and land of the slave] was mighty slow on the uptake…

    I always love to tell the story of the Jewish refugees that were turned back fleeing the Nazis [see MS St Louis]…

    Many Jews whose stories are well known and the facts beyond question…like Mike Blumenthal, a Carter administration cabinet member…read kind of unbelievably today…

    I was confined to a faraway corner of Asia, so destitute that newspapers were stuffed into my shoes to cover up the holes … I had no passport at all [and] for two and a half years I was a prisoner of the Japanese, and later not even the most junior American consular official would have given me the time of day.

    It wasn’t until 1947…two whole years after the end of the war…and the atrocities of the death camps were already known for a very long time…that Jewish refugees like Blumenthal were finally given a visa to enter the US…

    It’s well known now that the Truman administration was quite reluctant to recognize Israel and only did so months after the Soviet Union…in fact many of the better-informed neo-Nazis on this site like to state this fact quite often…

    So one must wonder howcome this late-blooming love affair with Israel took so long to blossom…?

    And how is it that the Jews, who have ‘controlled the world’ since apes first started walking on two feet…could not even get into the US until TWO YEARS after the holocaust…?

    Yes people are stupid…that is a well known fact to those who have a little bit of cleverness and wish to learn methods of controlling these stupid beasts…

    We note that official Washington didn’t always hold Jews in such high regard…

    CLARIFYING REMARKS: This is the Negro and slum area of Milwaukee. It is old and very ragged. Besides the colored people, a large number of lower type Jews are moving into the section.

    That, from 1938…while Germany had already passed the Nuremberg race laws three years earlier…

    Funny how a huge U-turn in official attitudes to Jews just suddenly happened one fine day…to where we are today, where criticizing Israel is practically a crime…for sure a career ender…

    Is there something not quite right about this whole story…?

    Of course there is…it’s totally beyond belief that these same Jews that weren’t given the time of day in 1939 or even in 1947 [yet wielded enormous power at the same time] are the ones that brought this about all by themselves…

    And of course the kindly US oligarchy didn’t decide to invent this whole thing for its own purpose of global imperialism with a gentle face…

    [Look how we care about the poor Jews…we are the salt of the earth right here in the good old USA…no need to question that Joe Sixpack…just keep moving right along…]

  178. Truth3 says:
    @Mike P

    Well said Mike P.

    Actually, I’m just hopin’ that Franny the Bitch hooks up with Asshole123 on J Date.

    Two such assholes deserve each other… besides, Satan is still probably looking for an ugly enough pair of Chosenites to spawn the Antichrist.

  179. @Lot

    ‘… US Civil War: White Americans’ Fault
    Syrian Civil War… also White Americans’ fault…’

    Now, Lot. Jews aren’t white. Ask Aaron.

    • LOL: AnonStarter
    • Replies: @Lot
  180. @anon

    Common Livingstone is a major league A*** hole. Never mind his Zionist collaboration with the Nazis.
    He is just a total jerk.
    He did not present it as news as with everything else he says it is designed to disparage Jews and draw attention to his lack of sincerity for it bing just information.
    Like I said an A**hole.
    He was a government official.
    It would be like siting a racial survey showing blacks to be inferior intellectually. There is data out there supporting that. But as a government official do you bring it up. Only if you a sadistic fuck.

    • Replies: @anon
  181. @FB

    But how are those Jewish nutcases with those cubes strapped to their forehead [and those leather bands wound tightly around their hands] any worse than the Jehovah’s Witnesses that watch their baby die because they refuse a blood transfusion…?

    Well, jehovah’s witness are a few nutcases here, if they ring at the door on Sundays, you just tell them to go away and not to ring ever again.

    The jehovah’s witness don’t run an inquisition, they a just a nuisance.

    If you want to enter the black cube rabbit hole, that would be a longer post, and what’s behind it.

    You probably should search for Geordie Rose on ‘D-wave’, he states they try to summon demons. Note, there is no such thing as a “quantum” or “photon”, that is kabbalah nonsense and pure imagination, nothing to do with science.

    The lies and deception run deep, also in physics and science generally, and they only fly, because of such science illiterate general public, who you also can tell that Zyklon B would be a gas at room temperature, or that 2 planes took down 3 buildings.

    • Replies: @FB
  182. @FB

    /Where does US military power in the Middle East come from…just the bases and aircraft carriers, or the Permanent Attack Dog that bites first and asks questions later…?/

    ?

    In examining the history of this “Permanent Attack Dog” and its alleged service to American hegemony in the region, one is hard-pressed to find any evidence to support your contention. Osirak is about as far as Israel has traveled from its borders to launch a direct, conventional military attack, and that certainly did nothing for American military power back in 1981, when relations with Iraq were amicable.

    So who has Israel bit first and asked questions later? The massively outgunned and inconsequential-to-American-hegemonic-designs Palestinians? Aside from goading America into an entirely unnecessary invasion and occupation of Iraq, Israel provided no support to America from ’03 until the present. America was able to do the heavy lifting all on its own, and there’s nothing to substantiate the claim that Israel’s more recent attacks on its very proximate neighbors Syria and Lebanon have done anything to strengthen American military power in the region. If anything, they make America more vulnerable.

    How was American military power strengthened by the ’83 attack on its Marine barracks, an attack of which Israel had foreknowledge, yet concealed it? And how, pray tell, was it strengthened by Israel’s deliberate attack on the USS Liberty?

    Walt and Mearsheimer put the notion of shared strategic interests decisively to rest:

    https://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/john-mearsheimer/the-israel-lobby

    Paul Findley’s They Dare to Speak Out: People and Institutions Confront Israel’s Lobby was well ahead of its time, providing irrefutable proof of Israel’s strangehold over American politics.

    In short, there’s simply no support for what you’re saying.

    • Replies: @FB
  183. FB says: • Website
    @A123

    Any deal that gets Erdogan to withdraw his troops will also necessitate the departure of al’Hezbollah and Iranian regular military troops. Give Trump enough leverage to beat back the U.S. deep state, and he can finally extract 100% of American troops. It would take a comprehensive and verifiable agreement, but that is achievable now that Erdogan has given up on regime change.

    This part of your comment is at least reasonable…so there might be some hope for you…

    I’m not defending Iranian theocracy…I have always said that religious fanaticism of any kind is a huge problem, and has been for centuries…

    Also, Iran’s position on Israel is not helpful to say the least…Israel does have a right to exist in its pre-1967 borders…calling that illegitimate is not in line with international law…which is why Russia is careful about Iran also…

    But at the same time, Trump clearly made a huge blunder to renege on the US legally binding obligations of UNSC 2231 [the JCPOA]…that is international law…you can’t just ‘walk away’…

    So Trump started this mess…now he has no way out…because it is the US that is in defiance of the UNSC resolution that it itself signed into LEGALLY BINDING LAW FOR ALL UN MEMBER STATES…and the Iranians have shown that they are too big to be taken down by a fading ‘superpower’…

    Turkey is also a problem in Syria…we need to recognize that Syrian people have been victimized by this unnecessary regime change project involving tens of thousands of professional headchoppers underwritten by the US and its puppets…

    Israel striking at supposed Iranian targets in Syria is inconsequential militarily…but it creates no good will with Russia…one Israeli fighter jet has already been brought down and there could be many more were it not for the good offices of Putin…

    Satanyahoo is no better than Rouhani…unfortunately he is propped up by the US, which has been in fact instrumental in the hard turn in Israeli politics for many years…

    Iran is in Syria legally…Turkey and the US are not…that’s the bottom line…

    As for negotiating some comprehensive deal for Iran to get out, the US is in no position to demand anything…they have lost this war…Russia has won…and that’s why the Turks have come on board…those are the realities…

    The final solution of Syria reconstituting all of its territory under the legitimate Assad government is inevitable…it’s just a matter of how much nonsense the Outlaw Empire is going to attempt to slow that down…

    Like the old GM auto mechanic used to say in the commercials…’you can pay me now…or…pay me later…’

    • Replies: @A123
  184. FB says: • Website
    @AnonStarter

    Walt and Mearsheimer put the notion of shared strategic interests decisively to rest…

    That would be true if the US wasn’t an imperialist hegemon whose real interests are to use all of humanity for the benefit of a deranged oligarchy…

    But the interests of that Oligarchy are in fact to keep a tight grip on the strategic Middle East…a powerful and aggressive Israel is the linchpin of that strategy…

    They don’t have to continue beating up on the various states in the region…their threat of violence is enough…

    And since you mention the bombing of the Marine Barracks in Lebanon in 1983…we recall that Israel invaded Lebanon in 1982…and ended up staying there for 18 years…

    So what were those Marines doing there…?

    After the bombing of the Marines, the US attempted to carry out a disastrous airborne attack on Syrian forces, which ended with two US planes shot down, one pilot killed an another captured…

    While the United States was supposed to have been a neutral entity in Lebanon as part of the MNF, by summer 1983 it had openly sided with the pro-Israeli Lebanese government. To support the Lebanese military, the U.S.S. New Jersey was authorized to shell the Druze militia and Syrian military forces in the mountains surrounding Beirut.

    On December 4 at 8:00 a.m., twelve A-7 Corsairs and sixteen A-6E light bombers took off from the U.S.S. Independence and U.S.S. John F Kennedy, escorted by an E-2 Hawkeye, two EA-6 Prowlers, and two F-14s. The bombers were ordered to strike three sites east of Beirut, which included an ammunition depot, air-defense radars, anti-aircraft guns, and SAMs.

    Two of the U.S. planes were shot down either by anti-aircraft rounds and/or approximately forty SAMs; one pilot was killed, another was captured by Syrian forces, and another parachuted safely into the Mediterranean Sea. (The hostage pilot, Lieutenant Robert Goodman, Jr., was held and interrogated in a Syrian prison for thirty days until Reverend Jesse Jackson secured his release.)

    –When America Attacked Syria

    Since then, the tactics have changed…the current regime-change project being a prime example…where the use of huge armies of terrorist mercenaries are used in conjunction with internal color-revolution style agitation, as well as fake human rights propaganda and massive globally disseminated disinformation…

    This minimizes the cost of such operations…

    But who has been also knee deep in this…not Israel by any chance…?

    Over 200 missile strikes on Syria and counting…treating the US terrorist mercenaries in Israeli military field hospitals…evacuating the white shite helmets scumbags after the SAA overran their position in Douma…and on and on…

    The fact is that the US empire needs Israel as attack dog…a normal US would not…that was the point of the Mearshimer and Walt analysis…it’s the US that needs to change…but good luck with dislodging the oligarchy…

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @AnonStarter
  185. Lot says:
    @Colin Wright

    Judah Benjamin seems pretty white.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  186. FB says: • Website
    @Germanicus

    Well…I agree with you on the 911 hoax…and the science-illiterate public…

    As for quanta and photons, those certainly do exist…and I say that as someone who is not science-illiterate…

    The problem with quantum mechanics is that it is not adequately understood yet [like many other sciences]…because it has long been known that the mere act of setting up experiments to observe the movement of quanta actually impacts the result…a difficult conundrum…

    The latest news to contradict what were thought to be established principles…

    Yale researchers have figured out how to catch and save Schrödinger’s famous cat, the symbol of quantum superposition and unpredictability, by anticipating its jumps and acting in real time to save it from proverbial doom.

    In the process, they overturn years of cornerstone dogma in quantum physics.

    Yet despite not understanding how quantum mechanics really works…we are bombarded with propaganda about so-called ‘quantum computers’ that are surely just around the corner…

    In addition to its fundamental impact, the discovery is a potential major advance in understanding and controlling quantum information.

    Researchers say reliably managing quantum data and correcting errors as they occur is a key challenge in the development of fully useful quantum computers.

    The same is true in cosmology, the study of the universe…new and contradictory discoveries are emerging all the time…

    It’s even worse in medicine…people just assume that doctors know a lot more about the living organism than is the case…the most common explanation for many diseases and disorders is ‘idiopathic’…which means literally unknown cause…

    Not so long ago we were told cholesterol is bad…until it was found that there is a good kind of cholesterol too…and the margarine we were told was good for us, is actually very bad…much worse than butter…

    I could go on and on…it wasn’t that long ago that newborns were deprived of up to one third of their blood supply, by immediately clamping off the umbilical cord and preventing the flow of blood from the placenta…the infant was then placed away from the mother and fed synthetic formula instead of breast milk, which contains immune system building blocks that cannot be reproduced in a formula…

    Today we know these were absolutely horrible mistakes…tomorrow we will learn that much of what medicine tells us is ‘right’ will turn out also to be a mistake…

    So there is certainly some truth to what you say, but we need to separate the wheat from the chaff…

    As for the evangelical nutcases…there are many millions of them…they are in fact a much bigger problem than you think…these people WANT to see the end of the world and think that Armageddon is a good thing…do you want someone like that with his or her finger on the button…?

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  187. AaronB says:
    @FB

    Well, at least this is a welcome change from the usual anti-Semitic narrative of Israel using American troops.

    Perhaps you, too, are working for the Zionists? 🙂

    Everyone here seems to establish credibility by being anti Israel, only to support some other aspect of the Zionist narrative….

    There is a funny skit on Israel’s version of SNL, that starts where this Israeli spy is sitting down with the entire high command of the Syrian Army, when they start suspecting him…in short order, it turns out the entire high command are actually Israeli spies, except for one hapless fellow lol..

    So who is the one guy here who is actually anti-Zionist for real? Is it…..me?!?

    • Replies: @FB
    , @AnonStarter
  188. anon[204] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Taubman

    A *** hole is your middle name .

  189. @FB

    As for quanta and photons, those certainly do exist…and I say that as someone who is not science-illiterate…

    Well, they don’t. You mistake dielectric discharges in the dielectric field for a particle.
    Your “photons” are not even temporary particles. A field cannot be quantified, and this is why jewish quantum voodoo basically capitulated and admitted, that they have no clue how it all works. This is not science, and mother nature is not a crazy random whore, who does random stuff, she also does not do Dualisms. Light is neither a wave nor a particle, but a coaxial circuit, and the speed of light is nothing more that the rate of induction, that changes with the medium. See, so simple, and they make such an idiotic cult targeting science illiterates.

    • Disagree: FB
  190. FB says: • Website

    Well, at least this is a welcome change from the usual anti-Semitic narrative of Israel using American troops.

    Well…I don’t know if it’s ‘anti-semitic’…but it is anti-logic…

    The theory seems to be that the US power establishment, which consists of the most successful power climbers cum sharks [many of them unseen and working behind the curtains] are somehow just so gullible that they can be yanked around by the nose by a supposed cabal of Jews…who until practically yesterday were discriminated against right here in the US…

    Now granted there are now many Jews among that power establishment [even in the past there were always a few wealthy and powerful Jews]…but does that mean they are acting in the interests of ‘Jewishness’…ie the ordinary Jewish folks in the US and Israel…?

    Why should they be…?

    If we know anything for certain it is that this ruling elite divides humanity into only two camps…themselves, a tiny group of psychopaths whose goal is only to amass ever more power…and the rest of the sheeple…regardless of skin color, religion, ethnicity…or anything else…

    That is the real divide, and it always has been…the ruled and their rulers…

    The second part of that is that the rulers always resort to divide and conquer…so it is pitting whites against blacks…Jews against everyone…etc…

    The other pertinent question is…who really is this small group of shot-callers that are the real rulers…?

    Well…aside from leaving this to our imaginations running wild, we can clearly see that there are a number of very powerful interest groups that are being served…that includes the Israel lobby of course, but also big pharma, big agribusiness, big oil, big armaments [the MIC]…plus a lot of other corporate interests…Wall Street…media etc…

    Underpinning all of this is a rotten and useless ideology based on American ‘exceptionalism’ and insane turbocapitalism…

    Look at Boeing…twenty years ago some Wall Street schmucks told Boeing that building airplanes is just like any other ‘business’…ie you can just keep extracting money as if you are running a vending machine or a laundromat…

    Well, that’s not how that works…the engineers beg to differ…and all of those engineers that led Boeing while it was an engineering driven company that made very good airplanes have clearly articulated how and when this company started going off the rails…by listening to those know-nothing schmucks with business ‘degrees’ [the university equivalent of special ed]…

    It is the same in many other things…why does the US spend twice as much money on health care, but has one of the worst health care systems in the world…?

    ‘I live on the street now’: how Americans fall into medical bankruptcy

    Cuba probably spends less than one tenth per capita, yet has a far superior medical system with higher life expectancy, less infant mortality, more hospital beds, and many more doctors…

    The fact is that the American system is run by people who only care about making life better for the very wealthy…so we do not have representative rule at all…since nobody really represents the interests of the people…I challenge anyone to prove that statement wrong…

    This is the problem…not some imaginary Jewish bogeyman hiding under your bed…those Jews at the top are part of the gang that includes many more non-Jews, many of whom are more powerful than the most powerful Jews…

    Those powerful Jews are not hijacking some well-meaning, representative ‘democracy’…anyone that believes that is clinically retarded…

  191. A123 says:
    @FB

    So Trump started this mess…now he has no way out…because it is the US that is in defiance of the UNSC resolution that it itself signed into LEGALLY BINDING LAW FOR ALL UN MEMBER STATES

    Nice try, but as a matter of Constitutional Law, 100% wrong.

    The U.S. Constitution establishes that:

    — Legislative power is exclusive to the Congress
    — Treaty ratification is exclusive to the Senate
    — Regulatory power is exclusive to the Executive Branch
    — It would require a Constitutional Amendment to transfer any of these powers to the UN

    All UN actions that conflict with the Constitution are automatically void and therefore non-binding. The UN may never create laws or regulations. Enthusiasm and politics overrode common sense when the Senate ratified the UNCONSTITUTIONAL Charter for the UN.

    Barack Hussein should have gone to the Senate to obtain ratification of his Globalist inspired JCPOA Treaty, which would have made it binding on subsequent administrations. Instead he acted with elitist hubris. The adoption of the JCPOA provisions via executive power, means that it effectively expired when he left office.

    PEACE 😇

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  192. FB says: • Website
    @AaronB

    So who is the one guy here who is actually anti-Zionist for real? Is it…..me?!?

    Could be…you do fit the description of ‘hapless’…LOL

  193. FB says: • Website
    @A123

    …but as a matter of Constitutional Law…

    Sorry little hasbara beanie…but constitutional law has nothing to do with it…

    You see the UN was formed as a TREATY AMONG NATIONS…

    It entered into force on 24 October 1945, after being ratified by the original five permanent members of the United Nations Security Council…

    That means the UN Charter WAS ratified by the US…which means it is legally obligated to follow the rules of that treaty…

    The United Nations Security Council (UNSC) is one of the six principal organs of the United Nations (UN), charged with ensuring international peace and security…

    Its powers include the establishment of peacekeeping operations and international sanctions as well as the authorization of military actions through resolutions – it is the only body of the United Nations with the authority to issue binding resolutions to member states.

    Maybe you don’t remember this, but in the runup to the Iraq invasion in 2003 the US desperately tried to get UNSC authorization for use of force…but Russia, China and, notably, France, vigorously opposed it…all three being permanent members with veto power…

    The US went ahead with its illegal invasion anyway…and look how that turned out…now Iran has more influence in Iraq than ever before…LOL

    Like I said…Trump made a very big mistake…Iran can now go right ahead and continue its enrichment program…and nobody can stop them…

    Let’s hope for little Israel’s sake that Ayatollah Khamenei is serious about not wanting to build a bomb…because in about a year, Iran will reach the so-called ‘breakout’ point which means it could then build a bomb within about another 12 months…

    [If it wanted to…I guess having that option is not bad either…LOL]

    This is what happens when you are determined to do the DUMB thing, it blows up in your face…Wile E Coyote 101…

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  194. @Lot

    This is like when my wife tries to turn it into an argument with me when the disagreement is with her daughter.

    Take it up with Aaron. I’m not the one cooking up Jewish supremacist fantasies.

  195. @FB

    /That would be true if the US wasn’t an imperialist hegemon whose real interests are to use all of humanity for the benefit of a deranged oligarchy…/

    What you fail to recognize is that this “deranged oligarchy” of which you speak is demonstrably subordinated to Israeli interests. Both pieces to which I’ve linked provide copious evidence of this fact, and the CFR piece to which you link rather proves the point: America was there on behalf of Israel, not the other way around.

    /They don’t have to continue beating up on the various states in the region…their threat of violence is enough…/

    Even if we agree with this, the “threat” exists because Israel knows that, if and when attacked, America will provide materiel support. Again, you’ve got the cart before the horse.

    /But who has been also knee deep in this…not Israel by any chance…?/

    Knee-deep?

    How many Israelis have lost their lives or limbs to IEDs in Iraq? How many have engaged ISIL in boots-on-the-ground operations? Airstrikes facilitated by an American presence aren’t the kind of tactics one would expect from a polity “knee-deep” in the regional conflict. If anything, Israel’s direct involvement in it has been marginal compared to America’s, particularly since they haven’t suffered a single casualty that demonstrates their “attack dog” role.

    /that was the point of the Mearshimer and Walt analysis/

    Well, you clearly didn’t get it if that’s your takeaway.

    Quite the contrary: Walt and Measheimer argue that America invaded and occupied Iraq post 9/11 due to the efforts of the Israel Lobby, and they provide conclusive evidence of this. You really should read Findley’s text as well. 9 weeks on the Washington Post bestseller list without a major publishing house to back it. Of itself, that’s quite a feat.
    (An earlier edition of it is available via archive.org.)

    Oded Yinon advanced a divide-and-conquer strategy as early as the eighties. The “Clean Break” proposal of the nineties then brought more specific objectives to the table and, since then, America has been used and abused in the effort to attain every one of them without Israel losing a single man.

    Hardly supportive of the “attack dog” thesis.

    /it’s the US that needs to change/

    We’re agreed on this much, and Israel can certainly help with this.

    Let its Lobby in America do the opposite of what it has traditionally done: pressure congress to forestall any further assistance to Israel, declaring its unequivocal independence from every form of American aid.

    It’s taken most of what it’s wanted to by lobbying thus far, so it shouldn’t be too difficult for Israel to do this much if it really desires to get the proverbial American monkey off its back.

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  196. @AaronB

    /anti-Semitic/

    189 posts to reach Godwin’s corollary.

    Not bad.

  197. @FB

    You have not noticed the clinically retarded on this thread? The Neo Nazis, the conspiracy theorist with such extreme views, they think Jews caused cancer.
    On PG pages he has banned the ‘normal’ and is left with all the crazies, yet he markets himself as a solid citizen commentator. Well if your following is conspiracy nut jobs, and Neo Nazi’s sprinkled with Jihadist. What are you writing articles for? You have to put Jew and or Holocaust to stoke the fire.
    This stuff is so outed. It has slowly crept up to that state.

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  198. anarchyst says:
    @FB

    “Cuba probably spends less than one tenth per capita, yet has a far superior medical system with higher life expectancy, less infant mortality, more hospital beds, and many more doctors…”

    “The fact is that the American system is run by people who only care about making life better for the very wealthy…so we do not have representative rule at all…since nobody really represents the interests of the people…I challenge anyone to prove that statement wrong…”

    I am proving you wrong…both about the Cuban health systems and American healthcare.

    As to Cuba’s “health care system”, there is a two-tier system…communist party officials, those “connected” and foreigners get a higher level of “health care” in Cuba, while the average Cuban citizen gets a much more austere level of “healthcare”. In fact, those on the “lower level” have to bring their own bed linens, and other needs, even medicines.

    There are problems in the American health care system, BUT, comparisons to other countries is off-base. If you need a CT scan or other high-tech procedure here in the USA, you will get one, almost immediately.

    In addition, ANYONE who shows up at a hospital emergency room WILL be treated without consideration of “who will pay the bill”. This is the case in ALL medical facilities that have emergency rooms and urgent care centers in the United States, and is mandated by law.

    Our neighbor to the north, which has excellent medical staff, routinely rations CT scans and other high-tech procedures, as these machines and procedures are far less available due to cost considerations. You might have to wait 3 months for the same CT scan in Canada.

    A number of years ago, Canadian hospitals were caught providing CT scans for veterinarians’ animals, while humans were on waiting lists for use of the machines. You see, veterinarians paid cash “up front” for use of the machines.

    A dirty little secret of Canadian health care, is that some patients are referred to American border-city hospitals for treatment if they squawk loud enough. In addition, Canadian politicians and movers and shakers routinely come to the United States for medical treatment. If the Canadian health care system is so good, why do their politicians and leaders come to the uSA for treatment?

    Look at Great Britain’s National Health Service which routinely rations health care as well as exacting death sentences on humans because of cost. Recently, a British subject (baby) was refused potentially life-saving treatment not only in Great Britain, but also in the United States. The parents had the money to pay for the treatment here in the United States, but Britain’s National Health Service would not allow the baby to leave. A similar situation is unfolding, as the “National Health Service” refuses to allow the parents to take their child to Italy for treatment. What kind of health-care is that?

    Socialized health care is fine for cuts, scrapes, and bruises, but when it comes to high-tech procedures, there are always cost considerations. Anyone can see that government-imposed solutions almost never work.

    It is interesting to note, that in Canada, Great Britain, and other “socialized medicine” countries, private supplemental health insurance is necessary in order to receive decent medical treatment.

    The problem is not health care, but health INSURANCE and HMOs – Health Maintenance Organizations, which artificially mask the true costs of health care.
    Going back to a “fee for services” like in the pre-HMO days of medicine would be an improvement as there would be competition for health care services.

    Two good examples of successful “fee for services” medicine are cosmetic surgery and laser refractive surgery (eyes). Both plastic surgeons and ophthalmologists offer discounts for their procedures. In fact, prices for these procedures are constantly dropping. Insurance does not cover refractive eye surgery or cosmetic surgery.

    A good distinction can be made between HMOs and automobile insurance.
    Automobile insurance pays for accidents and damage to vehicles, nothing more. If automobile insurance were run like HMOs, they would pay for vehicle maintenance,oil-changes and the like.

    Yes, the American health-care system needs improvement, but socialized medicine is not the right approach.

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  199. FB says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    You have not noticed the clinically retarded on this thread?

    Sure I have…there is one ‘proving me wrong’ right now…LOL

    Btw…this same clown I remember because he was previously stating on another thread about lice in the Nazi concentration camps…claiming that the lice weren’t caused by the horribly unsanitary conditions in those shacks not even fit for animals…but that the Jews brought the lice with them because they are dirty…

    A picture of Czech Jews being deported at Croydon airport, England, 1939…

    Do these people look like they are lice infested…?

    Also have to wonder why, if the Jews were running Britain and forcing them into war against Hitler…that Jews like these people were being deported to Poland…?

    But it all makes sense to the Nazis here…they are sick people…so is anyone that apologizes for them…

  200. @FB

    /The theory seems to be that … the most successful power climbers cum sharks [many of them unseen and working behind the curtains] are somehow just so gullible that they can be yanked around by the nose by a supposed cabal of Jews…who until practically yesterday were discriminated against right here in the US…/

    An ironic logical fallacy on the heels of an appeal to logic.

    There is no such theory. I’ve never seen a single person at UR assert that — to cite a good example — American politicians or businessmen have supported Israel because they’re gullible. It’s not quite as absurd as Fran’s hysterics that posters here accuse Jews of causing cancer, but it certainly leans that way.

    Nor have I witnessed any claims here that Jews are omnipotent; rather, I’ve seen quite a few that state or imply, among other things,

    1) Israel exerts overwhelming influence upon American domestic and foreign policy when and where they choose to exert it;
    2) the world’s six largest media conglomerates, the executive echelons of which are staffed by Jews disproportionately to their numbers in the general population, reflect a pro-Israel bias that is demonstrably detrimental to America’s national interests; and
    3) pro-Israel organizations such as the ADL have militantly sought to control or stifle discourse in the American public square about Jewish influence.

    These are all reasonable statements, fully corroborated by reliable sources, and hardly indicative of the “anti-logic” you attempt to attribute to them.

    /Now granted there are now many Jews among that power establishment/

    Of religious groups with a median household income of $100,000 or more, Jews consistently outrank every other group, year after year. Checking the Forbes 400 list, we find the ratio of Jewish American billionaires to their Gentile American counterparts to be astoundingly lopsided in the former’s favor:

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/chasewithorn/2016/10/04/forbes-400-the-full-list-of-the-richest-people-in-america-2016/#24df97a822f4

    Now the following data may be nearly a decade old, but that 30% figure has actually increased since then:

    https://forward.com/schmooze/131574/jews-dominate-forbes-rich-list/

    Note the comment: “They must have stopped counting after the 100 mark.”

    So when we speak of this nebulous “oligarchy” with its hands on all that wealth and power — “the most successful power climbers cum sharks” — it’s safe to say that Jews comprise the most politically cohesively represented party therein.

    But your qualm doesn’t appear to be with this fact …

    /but does that mean they are acting in the interests of ‘Jewishness’…ie the ordinary Jewish folks in the US and Israel…? Why should they be…?/

    Because certain “interests of Jews,” particularly the preservation of geopolitically-defined Israel in Palestine (as opposed to the greater diaspora), are considered sacred to most of them, a pragmatically religious obligation. Avowed atheist Ben Gurion appealed to attainment of the Promised Land before the Knesset. “Jewishness” is the religion of the majority.

    Are others similarly motivated? Perhaps, but where has the effect of other faith communities been as clearly influential in the public square? Catholics still lament that abortion is legal and fundamentalist Christians are losing the battle against homosexual marriage and other assorted gender-bending legal accomodations. In both conflicts, guess which group is disproportionately represented on the opposing side?

    Are there quid pro quo arrangements among Jewish and non-Jewish elites? Certainly. Do these arrangements suggest that Jewish parties are effectively subordinate to non-Jewish parties? Absolutely not, and the facts on the ground prove the opposite.

    In fact, I’m hard-pressed to find a single example of a recent political conflict between cohesively Jewish elites and their non-Jewish counterparts in which the former were compelled to capitulate to the latter. I’m certainly willing to learn of one if you know of it.

    Until then, take care.

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  201. A123 says:
    @FB

    I understand. You are not an American and thus do not understand how our system works. A quick refresher.

    On September 17, 1787, the Constitution was signed. As dictated by Article VII, the document would not become binding until it was ratified. [after ratification] On September 25, 1789, the first Congress of the United States adopted 12 amendments to the U.S. Constitution–the Bill of Rights–and sent them to the states for ratification. Ten of these amendments were ratified in 1791.

    All laws, regulations, and treaties flow from Constitutional powers and cannot violate the Constitution.

    — The Senate cannot Amend the Constitution by Ratifying a Treaty.
    — Foreign nations cannot amend the Constitution.
    — The only way to alter Constitutional powers is via the Amendment process. And, this was not done.

    Thus the UN cannot create new laws, regulation, or treaties that bind the U.S. The Senate cannot give powers to the UN, regardless of what the fatally flawed charter document seems to say. Therefore, the U.S. as a matter of Constitutional Law is not bound by the non-ratified JCPOA treaty.

    Everyone understands that Barack Hussein is a habitual and casual liar. Remember, “If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor” from the ACA/Obama care debates? Is it any surprise that he lied about this as well? “If you like your JCPOA, you can keep your JCPOA.” The Globalist elites were counting on Hillary Clinton to issue new executive orders to keep the non-ratified deal going.

    Like I said…Trump made a very big mistake…Iran can now go right ahead and continue its enrichment program…and nobody can stop them…

    Trump has made errors, but they are trivial compared to the massive & catastrophic mistakes of failed leaders like Khameni. Instead of meeting basic human needs, the Ayatollah squandered massive amounts of wealth pursuing nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles.

    Because of that betrayal, Iran’s people have turned against the authoritarian regime (2).

    In essence Tehran authorities dubiously claim they were forced to “free up money” to assist the poor; however, it appears more drastic scrambling as Tehran struggles to find global purchasers to offload its oil. … And as of Saturday Reuters Persian reports that gas prices have tripled, taking millions of angry middle class demonstrators to the streets across the country.

    How many Iranians has sociopath Khameni killed so far? It appears that at least 200 protesters are dead, probably more. Do you really think the Ayatollah butchering his own people is going to help?

    The people of Iran will put a permanent end to your Ayatollah’s nuclear weapons program.

    PEACE 😇
    _____

    (1) https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/u-s-constitution-signed

    (2) https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/violent-protests-break-out-iran-after-shock-gas-price-hike-subsidies-cut

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  202. FB says: • Website
    @AnonStarter

    You make some good points which you express quite thoughtfully, and with which I would agree…

    But then we have this…

    There is no such theory. I’ve never seen a single person at UR assert that…

    That is preposterous…

    The denizens of the Hog Barn here constantly proclaim that ‘The Jews’ control everything…and have been doing so since apes first started walking on two feet…

    Among the major items attributed to ‘The Jews’…

    They started WW1 and WW2…

    They are behind massive immigration…when in fact it is the CORPORATOCRACY that insists on bringing in cheap labor…

    Ron Unz himself tried to convince me of a completely ahistorical piece of nonsense about Jewish banker Jacob Schiff funding the Bolsheviks…resulting in the foundational myth of so-called ‘Judaeo-Bolshevism’…a ridiculous oxymoron since Bolshevism is atheist…

    Yet one of his own writers who is better informed, Israel Shamir, who happens to be of Russian descent and knows Russian history quite well…in his current article up here about the Trump ‘impeachment’…states the facts as I did, that Schiff had funded earlier non-bolshevik revolutionaries, but not the Bolsheviks…in fact he demanded his money back because he couldn’t stand Marxists…but never did get it back from Lenin…

    That is the level of bullshit going on here…starting with our Dear Host…

    The fact that you claim you have ‘never seen’ this tells me you are not very attentive…never seen Chuck Orloski’s posts…the Jews have taken over everything that’s not nailed down…?

    It’s true that there is a very strong Israel lobby because there are many powerful Jews in the US…I would say that the most powerful Jewish influence is Hollywood Smellywood…because the medium of moving pictures is incredibly powerful in implanting powerful impressions in people…

    Smellywood, you will have noticed has been working for decades with the CIA and Pentagon involved in films…plus nobody needs to actually tell the smellywood creatures what the stupid public is going to want to gulp up…it’s not going to be soul-searching and introspective examination of America, warts and all…it’s going to be rah rah, feel good bullshit…ladled on nice and thick…

    This is why we have so many people that are brainwashed…the best favor you can do yourself is to simply cut off all exposure to this poison…immerse yourself in your work, hobbies, family…whatever…simply cut out the screen time…it will change your life…

    That’s where I see that Jews are an integral cog of the American imperialism…they have helped shape and implant the image of themselves that the imperialist would like to see when they look in the mirror [think of Dorian Gray]…but the smellywood Jews are only giving the master what he wants…[does the church organist own the church, or is it the other way around…?]

    That is the whole point…Jews are giving the scumbags that run this country EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT…that includes a heavily armed and intimidating Israel…a Ponzi Scheme economy…constant inflow of cheap labor and offshoring of production, all in the name of corporate greed…etc…

    If the rulers of America didn’t want what the Jews are selling, then how could anyone force them…?

    This is a very simple truism about people…there is no need to try to prove that it’s backwards…

    Let’s leave it at agreeing to disagree shall we…I thank you for the debate and concede that we are in agreement on many things…but I still don’t see the tail wagging the dog…

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  203. anon[273] • Disclaimer says:
    @Amon

    It’s too late for the moron to figure this out and leave .
    The gutter has served us very well . When none was available , we built gutters for them to smell and for us to to swim to success .
    The filthy rats have managed to have sex in the White House with LBJ and Clinton . Other activities are not declassified yet but the video would come out . Epstein even got Windsor castle exposed for what it has always been .
    These filthy rats are even teaching American pothead what the words like sex, democracy, justice, speech, foreign activities, lobbyist , registered lobbyists , inseparability of two different interests , humanitarianism , rights , peace and war mean and how meaning change depending on what page we are on the book of Alice in Wonderland .

    Rat is stuck in the gutter , bot those whose house and life around the gutter was built with White Chsristian blessings have struck back .

    They are asking the bastards to leave . But the wallowing in the filth is the best sexual sexual experience lady Clinton ever had and she couldn’t allow to be prevented from another late night rendezvous with some bearded swarthy guys who has been eager to welcome her to the mat for a reptilian copulation .

    We are seeing the complete destruction of western values from within . We now entirely agree intellectually, emotionally , and religious-spiritually the descriptions reasons and the righteousness with the establishment .

    We agree that it time to leave and let the local figure it out without spelling it out that the rent is due , fees for entries have not yet been paid, money have not yet been set aside for the damages , court has not yet been set up to castrate the neoconservative and poles have not yet been erected to hang thousands of those war mongers whose location vary – some are in churches, some in TV, some in administration , some in think tanks and some in Hollywood , some are in academics .
    Lot of work waiting to be accomplished .

    Sorry will not cut . Offering Bin Laden and setting a due process did not for non belligerent Taliban .

  204. anon[204] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright

    Kosovo situations serve various purposes
    Stupid Muslim see America is doing something great
    Kosovar allow terrorism on its soil, give shelter to MEK,
    Kosovar bring prostitutes and body organs and supply to Israel
    Kosovar is ready and loaded for any interventions AMerica want to mount against anybody .
    Kosovo also manages to exacerbate relation between Christian d Muslim . This serves Israel who talks negatively of Kosovo despite Kosovo being one of its hubs for money laundering , selling girls and harvesting organs and recruiting terrorism .

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  205. anon[204] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Taubman

    How does Jew cause cancer ?
    Jew doesn’t .
    But Jewish people cause wars and last few American wars and not boot on the ground kind of American war against Iran have been caused by Jews .Worse than cancer .
    To make this history disappear or to make this fact look as conspiracy theory , Jews pay some sick guy with ulterior motive to join the believers . He even becomes visible . Then on a chosen and selected time and podium , the man declares ‘ Jews cause cancer ‘

    The entire protest movement , anti war segment of society , truth seeking fact establishing attempts suffer .

    Someone not long ago was exposed being the sole antiJews commentators using different identities . He created facts , he blamed Jews, he then raised the antisemitism canard and very soon his handlers in various Israeli and American media and think tank started blasting commondreams for smear campaign and for anti demotion .
    Common dreams exposed the man !! Comeuppance !

    But the bigger picture of trolling creating false news, creating sleeper cells , and decimating popular movement by Hasabra was not further addressed

  206. FB says: • Website
    @A123

    Look fool…

    One of the reasons I don’t like to get involved in discussion with you is that you put up EXTREMELY DUMB BULLSHIT…

    Which tells me that you are very dumb…or that you just like to convince yourself into believing dumb things…

    First off…you are no more a constitutional expert than my cat…

    In fact my cat conducts herself with impeccable logic at all times, and is not given to being fooled…which puts her way above 99.9 percent of the fools on this website right there…

    Now try this experiment…go to your doctor and ask him to give you a note that says you can go 100 mph anytime, anywhere…

    See how well that works out…

    The real world doesn’t work that way…you can’t make soup out of nuts…

    I’m not going to waste any more time on your nonsense…the constitution isn’t some magic note from your doctor that lets you disregard treaties…

    If the US wants to ABROGATE the UN founding treaty that it signed and ratified, it can do so…then it will not be bound by any of the rules that it signed on to…

    Until that time, there is no free get out of jail card…you and other fools that think otherwise are welcome to do so…

    In the end might makes right anyway…and the US is not mighty enough to beat up and take over Iran like it did Iraq…it can never hope to occupy the country, although it could inflict a lot of damage no doubt…but it will sustain a lot of damage itself…

    And depending on how successful Iran is at inflicting damage…the price may be too high…

    This is especially true in terms of optics…the US is seen as extremely powerful militarily…and with extremely powerful weapons…[having mostly puffed up that image itself]…

    If those weapons are shown to be DEFECTIVE…as with the downing of TWO stealth aircraft by tiny little Serbia in 1999…then the whole facade crumbles…

    Recently we saw the Houthis able to penetrate the American-supplied Saudi air defenses quite handily with pretty rudimentary technology that is now ubiquitous [but put together very competently]…doesn’t look good…

    The Iranians brought down America’s topline 200 million dollar UAV which flies at 65,000 ft like it was a pigeon plink…now we are hearing noises that two thirds of the RQ4 ‘Global Hawk’ fleet will be retired…

    It’s back to the drawing board, again…

    The fact is that the US has a lot of weaknesses…because it’s a Ponzi Scheme house of cards built on a foundation of sand…many many things are not going to work well when push comes to shove…that includes the economy and military…

    I certainly don’t want the Iranians to get nuclear weapons…and Israel having them is already a problem…what happens if the Saudis get nuclear weapons…?

    Are we supposed to just stand by and watch when these diplomatically very immature countries start lobbing huge amounts of nuclear fallout into our biosphere…?

    I don’t think so…it would probably cause both nuclear superpowers to quickly act in concert to wipe out the belligerents’ nuclear capabilities…just as adults are not going to let children have a gun battle in the front yard…

    The bottom line is that Trump made a big mistake for goofy political reasons that his core base doesn’t actually support…only the completely insane militant evangelicals who want to see Armageddon are happy about this…ordinary folks aren’t…

    So stop talking up bullshit that most deplorables disagree with…

    You don’t get the message here from those who are hostile to your crazy militant propaganda do you…?

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  207. @anon

    ‘Kosovo situations serve various purposes
    Stupid Muslim see America is doing something great…’

    Maybe you’re right. I wouldn’t rule it out.

  208. anon[838] • Disclaimer says:
    @FB

    we still can like 123 many times over , you need stupidity and bullshit around you making you work less and make work less laborious .
    Picture is worth a thousands of letters or millions of words and zillion of sentences of 123 evaporating like the smoke billowing out from Netanhuuuuu’s drawn pitcher with a fuse that was showcased as enormous brave Israeli capacities of prying open the Foddor secrets.

    Hang in there . Don’t take it personally.

  209. @FB

    ‘… In the end might makes right anyway…and the US is not mighty enough to beat up and take over Iran like it did Iraq…it can never hope to occupy the country, although it could inflict a lot of damage no doubt…but it will sustain a lot of damage itself…’

    What I find a little oppressive is that these discussions tend to turn into discussions about whether we could do it.

    You’re right; we couldn’t. But surely, that we shouldn’t should also be a consideration.

    I don’t see any reason to distinguish between individual and collective morality. There’s a rather long list of things I could do but that I don’t do because I shouldn’t do them. For example, I could possibly con my upstanding but perhaps a bit dim-witted and naive neighbor out of $500,000.00…but I’m never going to find out…because I would never try to.

    Surely the same principle applies to our collective conduct. It’s really a moot point as to whether we could conquer Iran. We shouldn’t do it in any case.

    • Agree: FB
  210. anon[838] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Grey

    I am glad they did Glad that muslim did not compromise with the Jews . I am happy for it .

    Oslo peace process has shown the true identity of Zionist long after it was exhibited to the secularist Arab in 1920. Compromise is anathema to Zionist It is peace justice win for all only when woven in one concept- is it good for the Jews 100+1 %?

    This the way to the final liberation of the humanity from the clutches of the Zionist. Islam has been intricately involved with justice honesty rights of humanity and the sacredness of the law and the life

    Chsrtiniaty long ago has divested itself of the politics and social justice . This was from the persuasion fo the Judaism as promoted by the Zionist . Today the Christian can think of destroying and killing the non Christian, non- whites non-EUROPEANS or the abortionist or the treasonous behave ions of the soldiers , can’t differentiate between the softer killing of capitalism and the brutal killing of the terrorism ,it cant understand the interconnectedness among politics , and medical, market , education health economy and religion while blaming Islam being politicized or being unenlightened .The self delusion has created a monster within Christianity that is devouring the Christianity from within.

    Long before Left fetishized Islam ,it elevated Zionism to the 7 heaven . Zionism was born in the womb of the Nazism, American capitalism and Soviet ideology. All 3 were imprgenated by the guys from Herzl to Schff to Jacob to Brandeis Frankfurter and desegregationist like Truman ( in army ) and and LBG and was breathed first air of life by Wilson -teh Left of the 20 th century.

    Go and figure it out and learn again.

  211. anon[204] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright

    Same lies same shitloads same alibi same excuses
    only differences are different faces .

    It happens also in USA hurting US interests . I remember how American interests and British interest were presented as good deal but for realization of dream of the Zionist .
    Same was done in the wars of 1967,1982,2003 and are still being done . Only differences are the faces of the psychopaths .
    It was Brandeis . Now it is Dershowitz .
    It was Amery. now it is Kuahner

    It was Weizmann now it is Perle.

  212. A123 says:
    @FB

    the constitution isn’t some magic note from your doctor that lets you disregard treaties…If the US wants to ABROGATE the UN founding treaty that it signed and ratified, it can do so…then it will not be bound by any of the rules that it signed on to…

    There is no magic, only historical fact.

    All government actions under the Constitution are subordinate to it. This includes laws, regulations, and treaties. In any legal conflict, the superior Constitution has primacy over the inferior law, treaty, or regulation. Not only is this obvious, it is non-controversial.

    You and George Soros share a common ideology in your faith-based devotion to the UN. A New World Order ruled by unelected Globalist elites, dedicated to crushing both Christianity and national sovereignty.

    Fortunately, your plan to undermine this Christian Populist nation will never work.
    ____

    The best solution for the people of the world is dissolving the UN entirely. It has created more conflicts than it has prevented. The best way to achieve that end is incremental. Working from the inside to eliminate the most offensive pieces of the failed institution first. Perhaps some non-political pieces can be salvaged, but I am not particularly optimistic about that.

    Any nation that does not like the U.S. approach is free to leave. Good luck setting up your United IslamoGlobalist Nations under “Secretary General for Life” George Soros. I suspect you will have very few takers for your vision.
    ____

    As you have no facts to back-up your faith-based position, I anticipate that this will be my last post in this thread.

    Plus, I have to get ready for the upcoming holiday with family.

    HAPPY THANKSGIVING 🐓🍗🍻
    ____

    • Replies: @FB
  213. FB says: • Website
    @A123

    I anticipate that this will be my last post in this thread.

    Plus, I have to get ready for the upcoming holiday with family.

    HAPPY THANKSGIVING

    Oh well then…enjoy your thanksgiving dinner…

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  214. anon[143] • Disclaimer says:

    UN. A New World Order ruled by unelected Globalist elites, dedicated to crushing both Christianity and national sovereignty.”‘

    How did UN hurt Israel? UN created this monster. Before the creation, the League ,its old version distorted each and every human concept about justice occupation and indigenous rights It forced colonization with streams of Jews from nowhere coming to Palestine, and allowed Jewish terrorism and oppression.

    Much later UN will swear about human values dignities occupation oppression and invasions allowing America to attack Iraq and punish Iran and Libya . Same fates despite committing much worst crimes did not visit Israel .

    “Globalist elites” gave birth to Israel and allowed the prosperity ( on the back of USA Germany and Palestine) of Israel

  215. @FB

    [Currently busy, saw response, will reply when available later.]

  216. anonymous[367] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Meaning there are good Jews, bad Jews and the ugly Jews and evil Jews. Just like all other humans in the world.

    Absolutely, such people exist everywhere, in every community around the world.

    In your case, my vote for you would be… ugly J00scum.

    You know, the kind of immoral jooscum who are willing foot soldiers for the evil Jooscum, the likes of Shamir (the fugly Yitzak to be clear), Sharon, Natanyahoo, Kissinger, etc.

  217. anonymous[367] • Disclaimer says:
    @A123

    Lol!

    You know, there is one aspect of your hasbara trolling which is most amusing… the signature with the saint emoji. 🙂

    PEACE 😇

    You are clearly a judeofacist lowlife, who spits on “peace,” except when it applies to your cursed cult, so that signature makes you one odious manimal.

  218. @FB

    /The denizens of the Hog Barn here/

    Not a good angle, that. Even if you disagree with them, what do you have to lose by avoiding such rhetoric?

    /constantly proclaim that ‘The Jews’ control everything…and have been doing so since apes first started walking on two feet…/

    No, that’s the kind of hyperbole that we regularly see from zionists: that we “anti-Semites” accuse them of causing cancer, and global warming, and black holes and the like. The more absurd the exaggeration, the better.

    And no, that’s not an accusation, just an observation. I’ve been doing this very long, probably too long for my own good, and not once have I seen such exaggeration fall into disuse. Conflating legitimate perspectives with ridiculous ones is an old tactic.

    But, to be precise, I was addressing the following statement of yours:

    /The theory seems to be that the US power establishment, which consists of the most successful power climbers cum sharks [many of them unseen and working behind the curtains] are somehow just so gullible that they can be yanked around by the nose by a supposed cabal of Jews…who until practically yesterday were discriminated against right here in the US…/

    First of all, much of what has been presented here concerning outsized Jewish influence in America isn’t theoretical at all. It’s supported by well-sourced material.

    In my previous post, I cited evidence that the economically elite are disproportionately Jewish. Now, of itself, that may not prove anything, but this would be so only if there is no evidence of Jewish religious or political cohesion. When we look for said evidence, we certainly find it — not comprehensively, but it’s there. Even after Joel Klein published a column in the LA Times that “Jews run Hollywood,” you still can’t talk about it in the public square without enduring serious personal consequences. This example is just the tip of the iceberg.

    Looking more closely at the theory you ascribe to UR posters, it may be that a commenter or two have suggested that most goyim are gullible where Jewish influence is concerned. That’s not the same as saying that these people include all of the economically most endowed goyim, nor that this gullibility is the primary cause of said influence.

    And those are my material objections to the abovequoted statement.

    Now I’m not about to get involved in that particular dispute between Mr. Unz and Mr. Shamir, both of whom I respect greatly. That said, I’d like to address the substance of this:

    /Jacob Schiff funding the Bolsheviks…resulting in the foundational myth of so-called ‘Judaeo-Bolshevism’…a ridiculous oxymoron since Bolshevism is atheist…/

    As I mentioned earlier, Ben Gurion was an avowed atheist, yet appealed to God’s Promise in Genesis to advance Israel’s own strain of Manifest Destiny. Such apparent conundrums are not unusual in the Jewish milieu, though they become less confusing when we accept that there is a basis for them in Talmudic rationales.

    The Encyclopedia Judaica itself openly admits the integral Jewish role in Bolshevism, as did the now defunct American Hebrew magazine in 1920. State Department and consular reports of that era also corroborate claims about that role. I considered Mr. Unz’s article on the subject to be very careful and even-handed in its claims:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-bolshevik-revolution-and-its-aftermath/?showcomments#comment-2429558

    But the key point here is that none of this rests upon mere speculation or theorizing. It’s all a matter of historical record. (Note that Schiff is not the only Jewish financier mentioned. Olaf Aschberg is another whose contributions are well documented.)

    Now it’s possible to have disagreements on any given subject, but given the textual support for Ron’s argument, it’s a bit peculiar to dismiss it out-of-hand as you have. Don’t accept it if you will. Stick to an alternative line of reasoning. But it’s hardly “bullshit” when there’s evidence to back it up.

    Chuck Orloski? I often enjoy his world-weary wit, suffused with an irrepressible jois de vivre. He’s hoed a tough row, that Chuck. I simply don’t see him the same way as you.

    As per Smellywood, you’re preaching to the choir.

    /If the rulers of America didn’t want what the Jews are selling, then how could anyone force them…?/

    Fair question.

    As you’re surely aware, the decision to openly divest from or sanction Israel and its coteries in America isn’t one that could be made easily, as the strength of pro-Israel parties literally permeates the body politic, mainstream media, and institutions of commerce and finance. Far less has been attempted and failed as a consequence of the backlash.

    And still, there is cause for hope:

    https://visualizingpalestine.org/visuals/divesting-for-justice-timeline

    Even if one isn’t formally a member of the BDS movement, one may agree in the basic premise of it. Thus far, anti-BDS legislation is losing when tested in the courts, and as the infographic reveals, it’s on track to affect change in Israel far more quickly than the anti-apartheid movement did in South Africa.

    Furthermore, it’s a grass roots effort. No oligarchs need apply (though it’s perfectly acceptable if they do). So yes, agency remains ours, and change is in the making.

    Anyways, thanks for the discussion. I hope you and yours have a happy Thanksgiving.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  219. @anarchyst

    If the Canadian health care system is so good, why do their politicians and leaders come to the uSA for treatment?

    Uhm… You just answered your own goal question… Because the US system is indeed the best for the Politicians and Leaders of the World! Derp.

  220. @anarchyst

    In fact, those on the “lower level” have to bring their own bed linens, and other needs, even medicines.

    Ha, you mean unlike in the land of the free, where the pleb schmucks on the “lower level” tier are not even informed of their status “up front” and are simply charged over half a grand for a “fee for service” band-aid later down the line?
    https://www.vox.com/2016/5/13/11606760/emergency-facility-fees-american-health-care
    https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/welcome-to-our-modern-hospital-where-if-you-want-to-know-a-price-you-can-go-fuck-yourself

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  221. anarchyst says:
    @Reality Cheque

    It is evident that you have never dealt with the American medical system.

    Yes, even today it is not only possible, but is advisable to talk to the hospital and doctor’s billing departments about charges if you disagree with them or if you have problems with payment.

    The “dirty little secret” is that, if you agree to a “payment plan” you are obligated for the total agreed-upon charges, BUT you can pay them as little as $5 per month and they will leave you alone and not dun you for more.

    Being involuntarily unemployed and not having health insurance for a while, I was able to get substantial discounts for medical services after explaining my situation.

    In some cases, the charges were totally waived.

    This was not only for routine doctor visits, but for procedures performed in major medical centers. My primary care physician halved his charges and then some.

    In many cases, you will get the “discounted” rate-the rate at which insurers and hospitals agree upon.

    No, I did not avail myself of the medicaid system, but was considered to be a “private pay” patient.

    For your information, president Trump is requiring hospitals to publicly submit lists of charges “for services rendered”. The hospitals are not happy about this, but will go along.

  222. Corvinus says:
    @FB

    “Look at South Africa…the Dutch settlers three hundred years ago certainly never thought the day would come that they would be the ones to flee for their lives…”

    Invaders, not settlers. And now the chickens are coming home to roost. It shouldn’t be that way, but that’s what happens when you invade the world/invite the world. All the Dutch had to do was not exploit the people there for natural resources. HbD hatefact–It’s in the European “colonists” DNA to take by force what they covet.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  223. @Corvinus

    Hebrew is not a colonial language.
    The Jews are not colonials. They are return refugees.

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