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The 19th century military philosopher Carl von Clausewitz observed that war is the continuation of politics by different means. This is an apt description of Iranian military strategy and geo-political affairs. It is consistent with the rationale that guided General Qasem Soleimani for the last two decades.

As a superb military strategist Soleimani grasped that the distance between A to B isn’t necessarily identical to the distance from B to A. Iran and Israel do not share a physical border, Tehran and Tel Aviv are about 1000 miles apart. Despite Israel’s relentless threats to attack Iran, it has never been clear whether Israel has the military capacity to cause significant damage to Iran. It isn’t clear how Israeli pilots are supposed to cover the distance and fly undetected over Jordan, Syria or Iraq. Where, or how would the Israeli plane refuel and so on. Israel has not managed to solve this logistical military riddle. But it has been clever enough to grasp that pushing America into an all out conflict with the Islamic Republic may provide a solution to the riddle. Despite the competition (with Britain, France and Germany), the USA is Israel’s most subservient colony. It has been happily sacrificing its sons and daughters on the Zionist altar for years.

General Soleimani devised genius military tactics to counter both American and Israeli plans; although Israel doesn’t share a border with Iran, Iran assuredly shares a border with Israel. Deploying the Iranian Revolutionary Guards alongside local pro Iran militias into areas of conflict allowed Soleimani to encircle the Jewish state within a wall of fierce resistance. Iran’s regional allies are superbly trained, ideologically and religiously motivated and they have the benefit of the rich Iranian ballistic arsenal and technology that can deliver lethal punishment to Israel in a conflict. For some time, Israel’s military elite and analysts have had to accept that within the context of such an Israel Iran war, Iran together with its regional allies, is capable of raining thousands of ballistic missiles, cruise missiles and precision guided missiles on Israel. Such a development could wipe out Israeli cities in a few days.

Similar tactics were put into action by General Soleimani against American military forces in the region. Iran may not share a border with the USA but pro Iranian Iraqi militias have managed to surround and harass American forces in Iraq. Iran also dominates the most strategic passes in the Persian Gulf through its Shia militias in Yemen.

ORDER IT NOW

Yesterday’s Iranian attack on American air bases, showed that Iran’s supreme leaders have also internalised Clausewitz’s philosophy. The attack was measured. It was aimed at American military facilities and, according to reports, targeted runways and empty facilities. However, the attack was conducted from Iranian territory and was openly claimed by the Iranian regime. It effectively conveyed Iranian determination and firmness. However, it was measured enough to give Trump’s Administration an opportunity to climb down off the tree it unwisely chose although it also gave the administration enough rope to hang itself if it insists on doing so.

The USA’s conflict with Iran is peculiar; it is irrational, it may even border on madness. America is no longer dependent on the Gulf’s oil. Its general strategy in the region has been futile and self-defeating. Iraq wants the American military out. In Syria, American forces were defeated. Russia is now taking care of what in the past America claimed to oversee and, in practice, never did. One wonders, what is it that America is doing in Iraq, or in Syria? Where is all of this leading?

Numerous academic studies have established that American foreign policy is dominated by the Israel Lobby. The devastating truth is that America has been fighting Israel’s wars for decades. Until now this has entailed fighting inferior military forces. But a battle with Iran may prove far more complicated. Decades of sanctions have made Iran into an independent technological superpower. Iranian drone technology is at least as advanced as that of Israel and the USA and it leads in precision guided and cruise missiles. Unlike American soldiers who fight for Israel and are often fed misleading intelligence by Israeli sources, Iranians and local Shia militias are fighting on their soil. The battle is destined to be a challenge to the USA military and its consequences are unpredictable.

Surrounded by incompetence, Trump has made disastrous decisions that have made America and Israel into the biggest dangers to world peace. The situation is so grim for America that it can’t seem to find the power within itself to grasp its own self-imposed dark limbo.

The only way to grasp America’s bizarre operation is to accept a reverse approach to Clausewitz’ insight; American politics is a continuation of Zionist wars by different means. America has given away its world prestige for the Jewish state. American politicians shamelessly pledge allegiance to the Jewish state instead of their own. They go out of their way to appease Jewish lobby groups, whether it is the ultra Zionist AIPAC or the controlled opposition Jstreet. The USA won’t be the first superpower to be destroyed by Zion. The problem is that a regional war involving America and Israel could make Extinction Rebellion irrelevant as these two destructive powers could reduce our planet to dust in order to save their current leaders from their escalating legal complications.

I have no doubt that many Americans are aware of the danger ahead. However, the matrix of Zionist power in America has dismantled Americans’ ability to call a spade a spade as that is considered ‘anti-Semitic.’

(Republished from Gilad Atzmon by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Summary: Iran tucked their tail between their legs and ran. Then they shot a few rockets into the sand while begging the US not to obliterate them. It is their mightiest victory ever! That sand had it coming.

    How humiliating.

  2. The Omen IV: US policy in the Middle East–“It’s all for you, Israel!”

  3. @Ozymandias

    Hey, Ozzy, that’s the most short-sighted and unintentionally ironic thing you’ve said since this:

    My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings;
    Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!

    • Thanks: Gilad Atzmon
    • LOL: Tsar Nicholas
  4. “…they shot a few rockets into the sand”, Ozymandias, to show that they could and so as not to kill Americans and further escalate the situation. The religious leadership of Iran seems far more reasonable and intelligent than the Trump admn. or either house of Congress…and I’m not a Muslim saying this.

    • Replies: @Gilad Atzmon
  5. Lochearn says:

    Gilad, this is a brilliant summary of things as they stand. More than anyone else I have read you have appreciated that Iran has become extremely advanced in missile technology and EW and that this is a game changer. The US and Israel have sat back on their asses thinking Patriot and Iron Dome were still state of the art when really they are Nokia to China’s Huawei. When you look around you see poor old Boeing (a company I hugely admired) producing crap planes for the first time ever (737 Max and 787), Lockhead, which produced the magnificent Tristar and the F-16 and now the lamentable F-35.
    They are living in hubris, on days of excellence in manufacturing before Milton Friedman came on the scene and conceived shareholder value as the route to get his Jews back into to pillage on Wall Street. Having said that I do not underestimate the sly Anglo Goy and his contribution to the state of things, a subject I would like to take up with you at a later time and hear your insights.

    • Agree: Alternate History
  6. @Ozymandias

    We are lucky to have one responsible regime on this planet and it isn’t the American one …
    So far, Iran has achieved all its strategic goals in the region.. America has lost on every possible front ..

    • Replies: @Ozymandias
    , @niteranger
  7. @Sherlockohms

    Totally agree! And the next question is how America has ended with such a problematic political class … the same applies to every other western country .,

    • Replies: @JimDandy
  8. JimDandy says:

    Very interesting article. Iran’s response to his assassination was akin to Trump’s bombing of the Syrian air strip. Symbolic, essentially.

    I did not know this:

    “Despite Israel’s relentless threats to attack Iran, it has never been clear whether Israel has the military capacity to cause significant damage to Iran. ”

    I always assumed that if Israel wanted to, they could easily nuke Iran.

    • Replies: @Gilad Atzmon
  9. Gilad,

    It isn’t clear how Israeli pilots are supposed to cover the distance and fly undetected over Jordan, Syria or Iraq. Where, or how would the Israeli plane refuel and so on. Israel has not managed to solve this logistical military riddle.

    How do you know? Are you privy to Israels latest technology? Maybe they do not need to travel maybe they are already there.

    Despite the competition (with Britain, France and Germany), the USA is Israel’s most subservient colony. It has been happily sacrificing its sons and daughters on the Zionist altar for years.

    This is bullshit. The US used to fight in the ME because that is where their oil was. Saudi Arabia’s Prince Bandar spent so much time at the White House they called him Bush Bandar. The Saudis were our best friends and we sang to their tune. Do you remember OPEC’s cynical price climbing methods when they did not like the flowers we would send them?
    Nothing to do with Israel.
    We also fought for the liberation of Kwait after Iraq invaded it and took over the country and their oil. The war was called Dessert Storm. Also nothing to do with Israel. After that war Saddam threatened the West with WMD. Israel took out their nuclear reactor. The war with Iraq had nothing to do with Israel it was based on faulty intel that Iraq possessed WMD, and the ridiculous cat and mouse games Saddam played with UN inspectors.

    Deploying the Iranian Revolutionary Guards alongside local pro Iran militias into areas of conflict allowed Soleimani to encircle the Jewish state within a wall of fierce resistance. Iran’s regional allies are superbly trained, ideologically and religiously motivated and they have the benefit of the rich Iranian ballistic arsenal and technology that can deliver lethal punishment to Israel in a conflict.

    Huh you mean the Iranians are empire building colonialist who co-opt entire countries like Lebanon, and assassinate the Lebanese PM Harri?. The Shia takeover of Syria to prop up Assad. Millions of Sunnis, Kurds, Druze and Christians in this “fierce wall of resistance” are terrified of the Iranian take over of their country, and detest the aggressive Shia militias.
    Have you asked the populations of these colonies if they are willing to sacrifice their lives for Iran to rain missiles down on Israel? Because if that happens those countries will be pancakes.

    Numerous academic studies have established that American foreign policy is dominated by the Israel Lobby.

    Americas foreign policy is dominated by American interest. If Iran gets a nuclear bomb that destabilizes The US and Europe. nothing to do with Israel. Iran will be very unpopular when the US pulls out of Iraq.

    Unlike American soldiers who fight for Israel and are often fed misleading intelligence by Israeli sources, Iranians and local Shia militias are fighting on their soil. The battle is destined to be a challenge to the USA military and its consequences are unpredictable.

    Example? Fighting Iran will not be boots on the ground like the Iran vs. Iraq war. Iran’s nuclear sights and oil fields can be taken out by air. The brilliant General was taken out by a guy sitting in a chair in Florida. Get real Gilad.

    The only way to grasp America’s bizarre operation is to accept a reverse approach to Clausewitz’ insight; American politics is a continuation of Zionist wars by different means. America has given away its world prestige for the Jewish state. American politicians shamelessly pledge allegiance to the Jewish state instead of their own. They go out of their way to appease Jewish lobby groups, whether it is the ultra Zionist AIPAC or the controlled opposition Jstreet. The USA won’t be the first superpower to be destroyed by Zion. The problem is that a regional war involving America and Israel could make Extinction Rebellion irrelevant as these two destructive powers could reduce our planet to dust in order to save their current leaders from their escalating legal complications.

    Yawn nothing new here. The US will vacate the ME. Israel can fight its own wars.
    If Iran steps out of line: with nukes, or its proxies harm Americans. Iran is poof. The Mullahs are on borrowed time. Taking out Soleimani is a brilliant deterrence it shook up the equation to let Iran know that they can be taken out pretty decisively and pretty quickly. Nasarallah has not surfaced in daylight in years. He hides in a bunker like a rat. . Iran is a menace to everyone traveling in the Straights of Hormuz, and Sunis everywhere nothing to do with : Israel, Jews, Zionist, AIPAC, Armageddon.
    This is irresponsible writing Gilad. Just bs propaganda. So false and speculative and written for the sole purpose of slandering Israel.

  10. @Gilad Atzmon

    “So far, Iran has achieved all its strategic goals in the region..”

    Let’s check that claim:

    #1. Kill your own citizens when they protest.

    Check.

    #2. Impoverish your own citizens by getting sanctions placed on them.

    Check.

    #3. Blow up some sand while retreating.

    Check.

    #4. Shoot down an airliner full of Iranians.

    Check.

    #5. Get humiliated by The Orangeman.

    Double check.

    Well I guess you’ve got me, I had no idea you guys were so goal oriented.

  11. Ultramar says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Hey, you are aware that writing “nothing to with Israel” over and over again, in bold, really makes it look like you think it has everything to do with Israel, right?

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
    , @the shadow
  12. IvyMike says:

    Iran’s tech savvy is good but over rated. Sadly the only kind of war the U.S. can fight is to bomb Iranian civil infrastructure, killing a bunch of innocents and throwing the country into chaos. This is the definition of state sponsored terrorism.

  13. @Ultramar

    You will see Jew haters are going to claim a false flag and that Israel shot down the civilian airliner.
    I think one of the UR gold star commentators already claimed that. Never mind you can trace missiles and satellite info.
    Airliner down: Nothing to do with Israel or Jews

  14. @JimDandy

    Israel can certainly nuke Iran but this would be a final act of desperation … the Samson option is a suicidal act..

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    , @Tsar Nicholas
  15. @Ozymandias

    Iran regional objectives were encircling the zionist entity in the region (America and Israel) .. this mission was accomplished and in a spectacular manner. America sent its boys and girls to sustain Israel’s interests, America has been defeated in every regional battle , in Syria, in Iraq, in Yemen .. America has zero influence where it matters. it is now a side in the conflict..Game is over and I myself thank Trump for all that.. no one could have done this better…

  16. Truth3 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    What a clown.

    Go back to false flaggin Frannie. It’s all you got.

  17. Good up to here:

    ‘… Surrounded by incompetence, Trump has made disastrous decisions that have made America and Israel into the biggest dangers to world peace…’

    You see it as incompetence because you mistake the intention. Israel, of course, does not want peace. Her pathology requires an endless succession of enemies, each to be destroyed by America and then replaced by the next most plausible target.

    Understand that, and you’ll realize there was no incompetence at all. Perhaps there was a poorly-trained Trump, as he seems to have seized the opportunity Iran proffered to put off the war for the nonce. A good Trump would have promptly launched a horrific ‘counterstrike’ as soon as the news of Iran’s absurdly restrained response came in.

    • Replies: @joe2.5
  18. Tony Hall says:

    Some in this discussion, but especially Ozymandias, are not well informed on the technical prowess of the Iranian hits on the US bases in Iraq. See the video evidence that “America lied” about the “devastation” of military hardware at the two bases.

    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2020/01/09/breaking-america-lied-devastation-at-two-iraqi-base-video-evidence/

    • Replies: @Maple Curtain
  19. @Fran Taubman

    ‘You will see Jew haters are going to claim a false flag and that Israel shot down the civilian airliner.
    I think one of the UR gold star commentators already claimed that. Never mind you can trace missiles and satellite info.
    Airliner down: Nothing to do with Israel or Jews…’

    Well, since you bring it up…

    My personal opinion is that it was just Iranian incompetence combined with being on a hair-trigger alert, but…

    Hasn’t Israel proved very adept at hacking into Iranian computer systems — air defense computers, for example?

    But surely even Israel couldn’t be that mindlessly bloodthirsty. Nahhh…

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  20. @Ozymandias

    ‘Summary: Iran tucked their tail between their legs and ran. Then they shot a few rockets into the sand while begging the US not to obliterate them. It is their mightiest victory ever! That sand had it coming.

    How humiliating.’

    America, big and strong. Able to terrify the victims Israel chooses around the globe.

    Doesn’t it make your heart swell with pride?

  21. JimDandy says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    Makes sense. Thanks. Not TOTALLY reassuring, though–interesting current article on that:
    https://www.takimag.com/article/suicide-final-solution/

  22. JimDandy says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Hadn’t even thought of that possibility until you brought it up. I thought it was probably a mixture of Iranian and Ukranian incompetence. But you bring up an intriguing possibility. Maybe Israel did it to make it seem like Russians within Iran did it. You never know.

  23. @Colin Wright

    Those Iranian Shia militias are such heart warming folks. Just ask the Christians, Druze and Kurds.
    But you keep beating on Israel if it feels good. Turn a blind eye to the Quds forces Al Quds the liberators of Jerusalem. What a peaceful group.

  24. JimDandy says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    I mean… pretty simple: The power of certain lobbies, coupled with media control.

  25. JimDandy says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Fran, I hate all this animosity, too. I’m sick of it. Shouldn’t we just cut the Gordian knot and let Israel handle all its battles itself? Wasn’t that what “A Clean Break” was all about, anyway?

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  26. @Fran Taubman

    ‘But you keep beating on Israel if it feels good. Turn a blind eye to the Quds forces Al Quds the liberators of Jerusalem. What a peaceful group.’

    Maybe we shouldn’t support either one. I’d certainly object if we started giving four billion a year in arms to Iran.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  27. @Tony Hall

    Interesting thing about the Erbil video is the attitude of the US soldiers.

    I think they know they’re there to die for the Jews.

    Hardly chanting ‘Death to Iran’ were they?

  28. @JimDandy

    No one wants Americans are going to fight for Israelis. Israeli pilots are the best in the world. Americans have never put boots on the ground for Israel.

    A lot of the money given to Israel is for US security and cyber data. Israel is Americans intelligence agency over in the ME. You could say that Israel is Americas eyes and ears for the entire region.
    It was probably Israel that gave the US the coordinates for the Soleimani take down.
    The US is heavy dependent technology and security.

    The only thing Israel asks the world is to not allow Iran to develop a nuke. That has to be a consensus with the EU, Russia etc.
    If Iran gets a nuke, then Turkey, Saudi Arabia etc will want nukes. Do you really want nukes in Arabia?

  29. @Colin Wright

    They gave 135 billion to Iran on pallets. Then an additional 1.8 billion. Are you kidding me.
    Do you have any idea how much the US intelligence Agency depends on Israel for information for the entire region including China. The Israeli intel is exceptional.
    They are a huge security service to The US, in ways you would not here about.

    And point blank Gillads articles as with Philip Giraldi that America fights for Israel is horse shit.
    Just so dishonest. What about Dessert Storm and Kuwait?

  30. @Ozymandias

    #2. Impoverish your own citizens by getting sanctions placed on them.

    The sanctions are not legal. In the end they will,as Putin recently pointed out, collapse the US dollar.

  31. @Gilad Atzmon

    Israel can certainly nuke Iran but this would be a final act of desperation … the Samson option is a suicidal act..

    It would require many nukes to take out Iran, and that would have devastating environmental consequences for the globe, not to mention geographical locations much closer to Iran, like Israel itself.

    • Replies: @Gilad Atzmon
  32. Rona says:
    @Ozymandias

    It’s embarrassing that you think this reply clever

  33. ivan says:
    @Fran Taubman

    I don’t think Druze on the Syrian side or Christians anywhere in the Middle East except Israel proper, prefer Israel bullshit to Iranian bullshit.

  34. @Ozymandias

    “2. Impoverish your own citizens by getting sanctions placed on them.

    Check.”
    Sorry, but you are joking? Iran put the sanctions on its people? How, by meticulously adhering to the nuclear treaty? I mean, please….
    “#4. Shoot down an airliner full of Iranians.

    Check.”
    Glad to see that evidence is superfluous in your world. Why wait for the black-box & the investigation, when one can rely on those renown truth tellers in the US intelligence sector.

  35. joe2.5 says:
    @Colin Wright

    “A good Trump would have promptly launched a horrific ‘counterstrike’ as soon as the news of Iran’s absurdly restrained response came in.”

    That might have been true if the Iranian missiles had been intercepted and/or they hadn’t had pinpoint precision. A horrific counterstrike, as you call it, would have exposed around 50,000 US troops and an airplane carrier group to huge losses. A “good” warmaker who is intent on ceating destruction and chaos does not bring home massive numbers of flag-draped coffins.

    The Iranian reaction wasn’t restrained, it was the minimum means for maximum effect.

    • Replies: @frankie p
  36. NPleeze says:
    @Fran Taubman

    They gave 135 billion to Iran on pallets

    No, they returned money that had stolen 30 years earlier. Only a particularly evil criminal thug would call returning stolen loot a “gift”.

    Do you have any idea how much the US intelligence Agency depends on Israel for information for the entire region including China.

    Yes, they do depend on ZioNazi lies and distortions, but that is by design. It’s the great intelligence circle-jerk. The ZioNazis in CIA/Mossad/MI6 parrot each other’s ZioNazi lies, and thereby it becomes “consensus intelligence”, and the ZioNazi cheerleaders, like you, can cheer.

    What about Dessert Storm and Kuwait?

    Exactly, wars that eliminated one of Israel’s 7 targets. Remember the Wes Clark memo? C’mon, every ZioNazi has heard of it! You ZioNazis just deliberately never mention it, truth plain goes against your ZioNazi lies and deception.

  37. @Fran Taubman

    Do you have any idea how much the US intelligence Agency depends on Israel for information for the entire region including China.

    It’s true! Have you heard about Iranian aggression in the region? How Assad is gassing his own people? Saddam has weapons of mass destruction too AND his armies are throwing babies out of incubators. Sob.. Where, Oh where would the US be without the information provided by Israel? The mind boggles!

    I see that you are stinking up this thread Fran, just as you’ve stunk up so many others before. I imagine that you encourage your dog to crap on your neighbours lawns too, a different neighbour each day to be fair, but you don’t seem the type to pick up… and I have little doubt that you manage to stink up the entire street just as you stink up these comment threads. Have a nice day.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  38. The devastating truth is that America has been fighting Israel’s wars for decades.

    IDF’s “influence” on American strategic military thought was also devastating in a sense of conditioning US to fight a supremely weak adversary. Exactly like Israel did with Arabs. Once real power and competence are encountered, however, then things go south very fast both for Israel, as it happened in 2006, and for the US. Israeli military mythology grew to a grotesque scale in the US.

  39. JimDandy says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Yes, it was probably Israel that gave the US the coordinates to take out Soleimani in the ongoing proxy war that America is fighting against Iran–at the request of Israel, as you just admitted. In response, Bibi said that this was America’s conflict and that Israel should not be “dragged into” it. Pretty funny, eh? No one wants America to fight for the Israelis? The loved ones of thousands of young Americans who were sent back to this country in boxes after fighting proxy wars for Israel would disagree.

    The interests of Israel and America are not identical, and duel loyalties are problematic. Witness the great Israeli hero/American traitor, Jonathan Pollard. Jewish Americans helped steal the technology that led to the development of Israel’s nuclear arsenal. The current nuclear state of Israel scares me more than the prospect of Iran having nukes someday. The one part of A Clean Break that I agree with is the title. Israel should be completely financially independent, and she should fight her own wars.

    • Agree: Fran Taubman
  40. @Ultramar

    Another mindless Israeli troll heard from.

  41. @Fran Taubman

    ‘… Do you have any idea how much the US intelligence Agency depends on Israel for information for the entire region including China. The Israeli intel is exceptional.
    They are a huge security service to The US, in ways you would not here about…’

    Yes. That’s how we learned about Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction.

    • Agree: Gilad Atzmon
  42. Art says:
    @Fran Taubman

    The Israeli intel is exceptional.
    They are a huge security service to The US, in ways you would not here about.

    Hmm — like on 9/11 – Frannie?

    Truth will out!

    Think Peace — Do No Harm

  43. @Fran Taubman

    This is bullshit. The US used to fight in the ME because that is where their oil was.

    Even a dog has to be fed.

  44. hotrod31 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    You seem to suggest that “Israel can fight its own wars.” Tosh!
    Be realistic, approximately how long do you contemplate that Israel could survive without FUKUS and German financial support?

    Besides, Israel has not yet needed to fight any significant war WITHOUT direct assistance from NATO and its 5th column operatives.

  45. frankie p says:
    @Fran Taubman

    From Pat Lang on his blog:

    “Someone sent me the news tape linked below from Aleppo in NW Syria. I have watched it a number of times. You need some ability in Arabic to understand it. The tape was filmed in several Christian churches in Aleppo where these two men (Soleimani and al-Muhandis) are described from the pulpit and in the street as “heroic martyr victims of criminal American state terrorism.” Pompeo likes to describe Soleimani as the instigator of “massacre” and “genocide” in Syria. Strangely (irony) the Syriac, Armenian Uniate and Presbyterian ministers of the Gospel in this tape do not see him and al-Muhandis that way. They see them as men who helped to defend Aleppo and its minority populations from the wrath of Sunni jihadi Salafists like ISIS and the AQ affiliates in Syria. They see them and Lebanese Hizbullah as having helped save these Christians by fighting alongside the Syrian Army, Russia and other allies like the Druze and Christian militias.”

    So Fran, you can ask the Christians of Syria what they think about the Shia militia, and they will call them their saviors and liberators, invited into the nation to save them from the headchoppers who were and are supported by the US, Israel and Saudi Arabia.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  46. frankie p says:
    @joe2.5

    Joe,

    The primary reason that a horrific “counterstrike” was not launched, of course, is that the Iranians made it clear that any response targeting Iranian territory would result in an immediate attack on Israel, as well as the US troops and bases, Saudi oil infrastructure, shipping in the Persian Gulf, etc.

    • Replies: @joe2.5
  47. Dumbo says:
    @Fran Taubman

    The war with Iraq had nothing to do with Israel it was based on faulty intel that Iraq possessed WMD

    I don’t think anyone with IQ higher than 98 believed for one second in the “WMD story”. It was obviously just an excuse, like the “chemical attack” in Syria, or the “Srebrenica massacre” in Yugoslavia, or whatever was the excuse against Libya (actually, I don’t think they even thought of an excuse for that one). But even if it were really based on “faulty Intel”, I wonder who provided that? Maybe a certain country in the region?

    Anyway, I actually don’t know why the U.S. occupied Iraq, because for me it is a war that never made any sense (even if it was for Israel), and the only ones who seem to have gained something from that were actually the Iranians, through their Shia influence (and maybe the Kurds).

  48. @frankie p

    Thank you for that. I had no idea. Here is what life is like for the 100,000 Christians in
    Iran by Human Rights. I know Christians in Lebanon who are not happy about Hezbollah.
    They have menaced that country.

    On 2 February 2018, four United Nations human rights experts said that members of the Christian minority in Iran, particularly those who have converted to Christianity, are facing severe discrimination and religious persecution in Iran. They expressed their concerns over treatment of three Iranian Christians imprisoned in Iran. .[24]

    I think you will find this pretty much the same all over the Arab Muslim world.

    • Replies: @Art
    , @frankie p
    , @frankie p
  49. Art says:

    I have no doubt that many Americans are aware of the danger ahead. However, the matrix of Zionist power in America has dismantled Americans’ ability to call a spade a spade as that is considered ‘anti-Semitic.’

    It is sad and very true that the Jews control every lever of power in America. What they do not control is the consequences of their actions. Their activities are making America more vulnerable by the day. Internal political dysfunction, declining middleclass wealth, endless wars – are all becoming more than apparent to our society.

    All the arrows of cause are unmistakably pointing to the Jews.

    Truth – will out! The pendulum will swing. We are living Peak Jew.

    Think Peace — Do No Harm

    • Agree: Kali
  50. @NoseytheDuke

    Look Nosey you can say anything you want about me but calling my dogs stinky is a bridge to far.
    Please see their reply.

    I am posting facts nothing more. If I can find rational people to see the facts and can change some minds regarding Jews and Israel against the onslaught of false propaganda It is worth it.

    You can block me.
    49364313046_a10c9af019_vm.mp4

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  51. ‘I am posting facts nothing more. If I can find rational people to see the facts and can change some minds regarding Jews and Israel against the onslaught of false propaganda It is worth it.’

    Well…there are some criticisms of Jews and Israel I would have dismissed as canards until you unconsciously demonstrated they had some validity.

    Is that what you had in mind?

  52. Art says:
    @Fran Taubman

    I think you will find this pretty much the same all over the Arab Muslim world.

    There you go again Frannie. Creating anti-Semites by pitting peoples against each other.

    The truth is that the only group fighting for Christian lives – is Shea Iran. Zionist Israel and Sunni Saudi are cut from the same bad cloth – both living out ancient dogmas – both living old world anti-human false glories. Both disgusted and repelled by the world. (Only Trump likes them.)

    Know it Frannie — you are Peak Jew.

    Think Peace — Do No Harm

  53. frankie p says:
    @Fran Taubman

    My understanding of the education system in Iran is that the government REQUIRES students to attend supplemental religious education classes regardless of the religions. This means that Iranian Jews and Christians are sent to clerics from their religion for lessons in religious thought, AT THE EXPENSE OF THE IRANIAN GOVERNMENT. Fran, when you cite an organization and a document, provide links and correct names. Your statement about Hezbollah is utter nonsense. There are countless videos and statements of Nasrallah describing the peaceful coexistence of different religious groups in Lebanon. He also fondly describes the neighborhood he grew up in, a neighborhood that was mixed religiously, with Shia, Sunnis, and Christians all living in peace and going about their business.

    Fran, you are a propagandist who either refuses to look into things or perhaps deliberately presents “facts” that are mistaken. Look into the Jews remaining in Iran. There are many videos of them and their desire to stay in their nation, that’s right, Iran is their nation, and live their lives, despite Zionist offers of big money to relocate to Israel so that more propaganda can be manufactured.

  54. frankie p says:
    @Fran Taubman

    And by the way, there are currently 500,000 to 1 million Christians in Iran, not 100,000.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  55. @frankie p

    I present facts as I know them. There used to be a huge Jewish population in Iran.
    Here in Long Island, there is Glen Cove there exist a sizable expatriate Iranian Jewish community.
    They left after being treated badly, with many restrictions on where they live and work.
    I speak to them a lot.
    This is what they tell me. I also know expatriate Christians from Lebanon, they say Beirut used to be the Paris of the ME. There was a civil war. The fundamentalist Shia’s divided the country. You do know there exist strife there? Correct.
    You seem the one propagandizing that Lebanon is a wonderful mix of religions with no conflict?
    I don’t get you. Harri was assented. There are protest and riots in the streets. Am I making that up?
    I do not know specific things only people and places that I have been and talked to. I present my facts.
    Nasrallah said he hoped all the Jews would move to Israel to save the trouble of hunting them down after he eliminates Israel.
    You can look that up.

    He also fondly describes the neighborhood he grew up in, a neighborhood that was mixed religiously, with Shia, Sunnis, and Christians all living in peace and going about their business.

    Sorry dude this sounds like utter crap to me.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  56. @frankie p

    There are 800,000 Christians in Iran – a tiny minority in a country of 82 million, making up less than one per cent of the population. Amazingly, while Christians from Muslim backgrounds must keep their faith secret and could face the death penalty if discovered, they make up the largest group of Christians in the country.

    off the internet

  57. @Fran Taubman

    Look Nosey you can say anything you want about me but calling my dogs stinky is a bridge to far.
    Please see their reply.

    • Replies: @Gilad Atzmon
  58. @frankie p

    Iran also has the largest number of Jews in the ME outside of Israel, and they have a voice in their government.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  59. @NoseytheDuke

    How do you know that? Ever spoken with a Jewish person in Iran? You are so out to lunch.
    Why is the largest expatriate Jewish Community from Iran?
    They don’t let you take anything with you.

  60. @Fran Taubman

    ‘…Beirut used to be the Paris of the ME. There was a civil war. The fundamentalist Shia’s divided the country. You do know there exist strife there? Correct…’

    Israel had nothing to do with that, of course. You’re aware Hezbollah arose in response to Israel’s occupation, right?

  61. @Fran Taubman

    ‘How do you know that? Ever spoken with a Jewish person in Iran? You are so out to lunch.
    Why is the largest expatriate Jewish Community from Iran?
    They don’t let you take anything with you.’

    You’ll note that like you, Fran, at least they had the good sense not to move to Israel.

  62. @Gilad Atzmon

    Gilad as you know and have stated numerous times the American Congress and its leaders are nothing more than puppets for what Israel wants to do. They did the same thing to Khadfi and how did that turn out for the world!

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  63. @niteranger

    ‘… They did the same thing to Khadfi and how did that turn out for the world!’

    You ask the wrong question. How did it turn out for Israel?

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  64. @Fran Taubman

    Without question there are synagogues and Jewish bookshops in Iran though I don’t think that this is the case in Saudi Arabia and a number of other nations that are considered US “allies”. Iran’s Jews have been there for a very long time and a large percentage of them are anti-Zionists who don’t accept that modern Israel is the real deal according to prophesy.

    It would seem from those facts that Iran is actually kinder to Jews than the multitude of nations that have driven out their “own” Jews in the past. There probably are a certain amount of Jews that remain there to act as fifth columnists and serve the interests of ruthless Zionism, much in the same way as you serve those same evil interests while living in the US.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  65. @NoseytheDuke

    Without question. You know Jack about what Jewish life in Iran is like.
    Kind to the Jews you say. Heavily restricted kindness. We tell you where to go what to do and we will be kind.
    It is just awesome to me then in your hate of Jews, you continue as some sort of expert on a theocracy that never sees the light of day without propaganda or heavy review. Like you see a video from the Mullahs and think oh wow look how nice they treat the Jews. Yet when you see anything by a Jew you think look at what horse shit propaganda.
    You are so blinded by hate you cannot get out of your own way. You want to write the script and shoot the film.
    There are no Jews in Saudi Arabia none.
    What do you think life is like in Shia Iran Nosey? They just killed 1500 of their citizens protesting. The people rotting away in jail.
    I know an entire community of Jewish expats from Iran, who went thru dog shit to get out of there.
    Yeah you know. All you know is irrational hate. You sound like a moron.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  66. @Colin Wright

    Yeah African slaves on sale cheap in downtown Tripoli. Yeah big business. Looking for a Zionist to blame?
    Don’t you just love Arabia.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  67. @Fran Taubman

    I have not written anything implying a hatred of Jews, nor have I written anything in support of Iran’s theocracy or any other theocracy. I have never portrayed myself as an expert on Iran nor on anything else for that matter. What I have written about Iran is information that is freely available to anyone. I don’t expect you to avail yourself of it because you have shown yourself to be a deranged zealot with a clear agenda, one that is consistently deceptive and disingenuous. You are both a joke and a blight on this website which does make a sincere attempt to publish those articles that reveal some truths about important matters, and that bothers you greatly.

    I do believe that the Iranian people themselves are the people best placed to solve any problems in Iran and I also believe that they should be left alone, free from any “assistance” from the US or Israel. There are numerous examples that show how such “assistance” usually results in death, destruction and only ever a faux democracy at best.

    Go fuck yourself Fran Taubman!

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  68. @NoseytheDuke

    Iran should stop taking over Syria, Yemen, Iraq and Lebanon. They are an empire building messianic Shia cult of Mullahs that want to take over the ME. If you think Israel is bad, just imagine those mullahs in downtown Jerusalem. A blood bath. Arabia is a mess with or without the Jews, which is a way more civil country then Iran.

  69. joe2.5 says:
    @frankie p

    Oh, certainly. The latest precision rocket strike was proof that any such attack on occupied Palestine of Saudi would have been precise and extremely deadly: members of the administration still very much seem to believe their own propaganda that holds any Middle Easterners to be too stupid to make anything, ignoring the warnings from military specialists.

  70. @Fran Taubman

    ‘Yeah African slaves on sale cheap in downtown Tripoli. Yeah big business. Looking for a Zionist to blame?
    Don’t you just love Arabia.’

    Damn, Fran. Lay off the Chardonnay.

  71. @Fran Taubman

    Thee are certainly the most kosher dogs ever … 🙂

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  72. @Gilad Atzmon

    You can trash me but not my dogs.

  73. @NoseytheDuke

    ok Nosey I was a little hard on you. My advice if you are near Long Island Glen Cove and Great Neck have huge expat Persian Jewish communities. Go there stop in a store and talk and ask what life was like for them in Iran.
    Better yet try and get invited to a Bar Mitzvah the food is unbelievable. Believe me if Iran were decent to the Jews I would move there. They have like 10 different rice dishes ranging from savory to sweet.
    The smells of the spices particularly cardamon.
    I think experiencing people in person is more accurate than any website, especially an Iranian one.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  74. @Fran Taubman

    Methinks you protesteth too much or This dog don’t bark. Take your pick.

  75. @Fran Taubman

    Right, everybody hates the Jews for your freedoms.

  76. @Fran Taubman

    The only true thing you said was, “It was probably Israel that gave the US the coordinates for the Soleimani take down.” In fact, it was IsraHell’s entrapment set up with the help of KSA that got Solemanie to visit for a supposed meeting about de-escalating tensions.

    The rest is just spin. Give it up. Nobody believes a kneejerk ZIO here. Try Jerusalem Post or any other ZIO Posts around the world.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  77. @Alternate History

    ‘In fact, it was IsraHell’s entrapment set up with the help of KSA that got Solemanie to visit for a supposed meeting about de-escalating tensions.’

    I’d guess Saudi Arabia was an unwitting participant in the murder. In fact, this may have left them feeling distinctly used.

  78. Despite Israel’s relentless threats to attack Iran, it has never been clear whether Israel has the military capacity to cause significant damage to Iran.

    I would guess that Israel has medium-range missiles that can be launched from its home territory or from submarines.

    Despite the competition (with Britain, France and Germany), the USA is Israel’s most subservient colony. It has been happily sacrificing its sons and daughters on the Zionist altar for years.

    The USA’s strongest “special relationship” is with Saudi Arabia. Because Israel and Saudi Arabia are allies, and both oppose Iran, it is hard to know which country, if either, has influenced a particular US action against Iran.

    Similar tactics were put into action by General Soleimani against American military forces in the region. Iran may not share a border with the USA but pro Iranian Iraqi militias have managed to surround and harass American forces in Iraq.

    It sounds as if America was quite justified in killing this enemy, and did not need any foreign encouragement!

    • Disagree: Crazy Horse, Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Crazy Horse
  79. Crazy Horse says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    The lady protests too much, methinks.

  80. Crazy Horse says: • Website
    @James N. Kennett

    Not while the so called “enemy” is under diplomatic protection. Unless one is an unruly savage and a lawless rogue. Also threatening to attack religious and cultural sites is called genocide.

  81. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Believe me if Iran were decent to the Jews I would move there.

    Start packing your bags, Fran.

    According to Chabad Lubavitcher rabbi, Russia’s chief rabbi, Berel Lazar, Jews in Iran are treated very well.

    Starting @ 19:05 of TruNews in Davos 2020: Putin’s Rabbi Reveals Trump Peace Plan Details to TruNews

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