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“Blessed is the one who always trembles before God, but whoever hardens their heart falls into trouble.” (Proverbs 28:14)

‘Blessed is the one who always trembles before Covid19, but whoever fails to put a facemask falls into trouble.’ (CDC 2020)

For two decades, we, the people who happen to dwell on this planet, have been subjected to repeated apocalyptic hysteria. Following 9/11 we were taken into a world war against Islam as the ‘Islamists,’ we were told by our Neocon masters, were ‘intending to eradicate our civilization.’ Shortly after, the economic bubble collapsed. We were prepared for global poverty. Even as we recovered from the economic turmoil, global warming was threatening to grill us alive or maybe flush us into the ocean. In between all of those catastrophic scenarios, Isis was also a global existential threat and then came Covid-19.

Being repeatedly globally, universally and collectively terrified of an ‘imminent apocalyptic catastrophe’ is a new phenomenon. It is inherently tied to the rise of the global economy, global markets and global corporations. It may imply that we are already subject to the rule of an elusive global power whose characteristics and mode of operation are yet to be unveiled let alone discussed. It may even be that the true nature of that global power is mysterious even to itself. But the practical meaning of such a ‘new order’ and its impact on the world is there for all to see.

In theory, at least, the fear of a ‘global pogrom’ or ‘universal holocaust’ is supposed to unite us. It is designed to show us that we don’t stand a chance to fight or win alone, as individuals, as tribes, as classes, as a nation or as a continent. If we want to survive both individually as well as a human race, we are told we must act at once and as one people and obey a certain set of rules.

In the late 19th and the early 20th centuries Marxism also promised to unite us globally, make us a fist of resistance in the name of worldwide proletarian revolution. At present, it is actually the post-Marxists who break us into biologically driven identitarian fragments, and it is global capitalism and some odd tycoons who unite us by means of global fear. The threat of global apocalypse is there to undermine: the national state, local markets, local manufacturing, the old elites, the old traditions and any other recognized hegemonic setting. From a globalist perspective, it is hard not to see a certain continuum between the Marxist global prophecy and the current globalist apocalyptic ‘reality.’

In practice, things often work differently. As powerful and convincing as our apocalyptic clerics happen to be, often the reality on the ground contradicts the global prophecy. Some states were not convinced by the Neocon fantasy and refused to join the ‘war against Islam’ failing to see Islam or Muslims as a global threat. US president Trump learned recently that his plan to defeat Iran by means of sanctions on behalf of Zion may not be an easy task. Similarly, a few world leaders aren’t convinced that the planet is getting warmer (peculiarly enough, the name Trump comes to mind again). And when the current Corona pandemic started, we noticed what was the opposite of global unity. Instead, we saw borders closing down and nationalist lines resurfacing. In March, Italy was left alone to face its crisis and the EU returned to a collection of states. In the USA we see similar fragmentation among the states. Corona has become a political battle zone. It emphasizes difference, it acts to separate rather than unites us.

However new to us is the attempt to keep us under the threat of a constant ‘universal holocaust,’ such a threat isn’t new to everybody.

In my first non-fiction book, The Wandering Who, I defined a peculiar but common, mental condition. I argued that while most people are familiar with the notion of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (Post TSD) – a stressful condition caused by a real or imaginary past event, it seemed to me that many self identified Jews often manifest symptoms of stress which I defined as Pre Traumatic Stress Disorder (Pre TSD). In the case of Pre TSD a human subject is tormented by the phantasy of an imaginary catastrophic event in the future. This destructive fantasy evolves into trauma that may manifest in emotionally driven irrational conduct. Pre TSD often operates as a ‘self-fulfilling prophecy’- the condition in which ‘prediction’ becomes reality simply because the person who believes it adopts certain behavioral patterns that result in the fulfilment of his belief.

In ‘The Wandering Who’ I argued that many disasters in Jewish history were the direct outcome of Pre TSD. It is for instance, easy to point out that the ‘fear of anti-Semitism’ and the suppressive actions that are pushed by Jewish institutions often lead to a sharp rise in antagonism towards different aspects of Jewish politics, culture, ideology and history. Similarly, the Jewish State’s phantasmic fear of Iran’s nuclear armament that is followed by endless Israeli attacks on Iranian interests in the region deliver a clear message to Iran and every other nation in the region that a failure to possess a substantial arsenal of WMD as a means of the deterrence is, all but a suicidal act. In reality, Iran’s advanced missile technology (both precision and ballistic) is a direct outcome of Israeli Pre TSD. It is the Israeli Pre TSD that made Iran into a regional superpower that endangers Israel (i.e. self-fulfilling prophecy’).

But Israel is not alone. By the time we landed on Covid 19, Pre TSD was no longer a ‘Jewish symptom.’ Pre TSD had become a universal global condition.

Religion of Fear

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Fear and fearfulness of one’s deity, is at the heart Judaic existence. ‘Fearful Jew’ (Yehudi Hared, חרד יהודי) is how the Hebrew language refers to an orthodox Jew. Anxiety is at the root of the Judaic thought. The Hebraic expression attributed to a pious Jew is ‘heaven dreading man’ (Ish Yare Shamayim, מייםש ירא איש ). The idea that a good Jew is a trembled Jew is expressed in its clearest form in Proverbs 28:14 “Blessed is the one who always trembles before God.” Rashi (Rabbi Shlomo Yitzchaki 1040 – 1105), acclaimed for his ability to present the basic meaning of Biblical text in a concise and lucid fashion summarizes the proverb as follows: “Always (be) afraid – worry about punishment , thus moving away from transgression.”

Why do the Jews dread their God? Is it because the God of the Old Testament can easily outdo Quentin Tarantino’s most barbaric scenes? Is it because they know that the God of the Ten Plagues of Egypt wouldn’t stand a chance in The Hague? Is it because they know that their deity character is a jealous God (“For thou shalt worship no other god: for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God”: Exodus 34:14)? Agnostic critics of Judaic thought may even push it further and wonder why the Jews bothered to invent such a jealous God. But it can hardly be denied that the Jews and their not so merciful deity have managed to survive for three millennia while other sophisticated and superior civilizations have, one after another, disappeared into oblivion. Surely, in terms of its survival strategy, Judaism as a precept has managed to prevail and sustain itself against all odds.

The Athens vs. Jerusalem dialectical battle serves to untangle the meaning of the current apocalyptic era and throw light on the above. In Western cultural ethos, Athens stands for the city of philosophy, the birthplace of science, the poetic and tragedy. Jerusalem is the city of revelation. The birthplace of legalism (Halacha, Mitzvoth) and strict obedience. Athens teaches you how to think for yourself. Jerusalem tells us what to say and what never to think about. Before I continue I would like to reiterate that the philosophical context in which I discuss Jerusalem and Athens does not point at a split between ‘Jews and gentiles’ as Christianity and Islam are also suffused with legalistic Jerusalemite elements. Jerusalem vs. Athens is a dialectic battle between two forms of cognition that historically often do not agree with each other. We are at the midst of such a dramatic point in history.

Like the orthodox Jew who is in constant dread of his own God, the rest of us are expected to be mobilized by different narratives of colossal universal catastrophes, be it ‘Islamism,’ global warming or Covid19. Our status in society, as in the proverb (verse 28:14) is defined by the amount of fearfulness we are willing to manifest. The facemask has become our universal ‘skullcap.’ It is a symbolic identifier of our adherence to the current politics of ‘Corona menace.’ The orthodox Germophobes cover their bodies with the latest chemical warfare gear, they wash their hands with the most advanced alcogel every two minutes, they may reach libidinal climax by the act of mitigation. Ordinary believers are slightly more relaxed. They cover their faces with light paper masks. The Atheists, the Athenians, the Agnostics and the Pagans also wear facemasks, as they are ordered to do by law, but often stick their noses out either as an act of protest or just to enjoy the rare sensation of fresh air.

We observe that those who express any doubts about the official 9/11 narrative, global warming hysteria or Covid 19 are quickly labelled by the media as ‘rightwing,’ ‘Nazis,’ Conspiracy Theorists and antisemites. And we should know why: those who question the current apocalyptic religions interfere with our ‘new monotheistic Jerusalemite order’ — they think for themselves. They are Athenian or even ‘worse,’ a bunch of Pagans.

Torah and Mitzvoth

It is a crucial question, how is Jerusalem sustained throughout history as the existence of conditions of constant fear contradict the pleasure principle*? Why would the followers of Judaism agree to follow such an abusive religion? Is it possible that followers actually enjoy being scared of their chosen not-so-merciful deity character? I believe that the most insightful answers to this were given by the genius Israeli scholar and professor, Yeshayahu Leibowitz RIP..

Leibowitz was a rare polymath. He was a scientist as well as a philosopher and he was also a pious orthodox Jew who inspired generations of Jewish and Israeli thinkers and intellectuals in general.

For Leibowitz, as for Maimonides, central to Jewish monotheism is the acceptance of the radical transcendence of God. The Jewish God is defined by its incomprehensible and inaccessible nature. Adopting a Kantian manner of thought, Leibowitz accepts that the Jewish God transcends beyond the spatio-temporal and therefore cannot be realised in terms of human experience as the human cognition of reality is bound by categories of space and time.

If God is a radical transcendental entity inherently foreign to human experience what is left to the Jew? What do the Jews believe in? Leibowitz’ answer is fascinating yet simple: throughout history, at least until the emancipation of European Jewry, Judaism was defined through strict adherence to Jewish mitzvoth, commandments of the Torah itself. For Leibowitz, Judaism is the story of the development of mitzvoth, the all encompassing system of Jewish law. Judaism is basically a legal apparatus.

One may wonder then at what is the meaning of Judaic belief. Leibowitz answer: It is the halakhic (legalistic) observance that constitutes the faith and this faith cannot be identified independently of its practice. Stated another way, Judaism is a form of strict observance and it is those rituals that constitute the faith.

For Leibowitz, to be a Jew was to accept the “burden of Torah and Mitzvoth.” To be a Jew, is to surrender, to do first and ask later, to obey blindly. To be a Jew is not to ‘believe in God’ voluntarily but to accept Maimonides’ prescription that belief in God is actually the ‘first commandment,’ out of 613 Mitzvoth (Maimonides commandment #:1 The first mitzvah is to believe in the Divinity: to believe that there is a cause and a reason, which is the Maker of all creations. As The Exalted One has said: “I am the G-d, your G-d”)

As such, Judaism is fundamentally different from both Isalm and Christianity. While in Christianity and Islam the belief in God is a voluntary act, in Judaism the ‘belief’ itself is a matter of a decree. It is an act of ‘observance,’ a practice, an affirmation by means of total subservience.

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Leibowitz further observed that “Emancipation from the bondage of nature can only be brought about by the religion of Mitzvoth.” This shocking observation of the Judaic code may explain why Orthodox Judaism didn’t participate or contribute to the development of science, philosophy or Western thought. Jews were happy to be ‘emancipated from nature’ as Leibowitz describes it, immersing themselves in Torah and Mitzvoth. They left science, math, medicine, philosophy and the arts to the ‘goyim.’ It was only at the time Jewish emancipation in Europe that assimilated Jews started to familiarise themselves with Western thinking and soon after involved themselves in these fields.

Leibowitz has told us all we need to know about Covid 19 and the other apocalyptic Jerusalemite faiths that have too often imposed themselves on us. Questioning global warming, doubting 911, refusing to see Islam as a global menace and doubting, literally, anything they tell us about Covid19 will get you labeled as ‘rightwing,’ ‘Neonazi’ and an ‘anti-Semite’ because these discourses are structurally set as Jerusalemite apparatuses. As in Leibowitz’s reading of Judaism’s ethos, ‘Emancipation from the bondage of Covid 19 can only be brought about by the religion of Lockdown and Mitigation.’ We are dealing with a perception that is sustained by strict observance as opposed to a search for logos. It demands the performance of blind ‘beliefs’ that are sustained by practice and are defined by defiance of reason and curiosity. In these new global Jerusalemite apocalyptic religions, thought police algorithms set by media companies replace the traditional orthodox rabbinical vetting of that which we are allowed to say and that which we are not even entitled to think for ourselves.

Skullcap vs. Facemask

Jewish men are required to cover their heads. The Talmud states, “cover your head in order that the fear of heaven may be upon you.” A head covering acts as a symbolic identifier that displays its wearer’s subscription to belief in the Jewish God. This is how the Jewish male admits the concept of “honouring (the Jewish) God.”

The theological rationale behind the Jewish skullcap is flimsy. If God knows ‘what’ is in your heart’ as the Torah keeps repeating, there is no reason to try to deceive the Almighty by hiding your true thoughts under a skullcap. Some Rabbis in Jewish history have admitted that there is indeed a slight theological problem entangled with the skullcap as it makes the Jewish male a master over the Jewish God as the Jewish male can apparently fool God simply by covering his head.

Indeed, more than just one Rabbi contributed to the shift in the meaning of the Jewish skullcap. They decided that the skullcap is there to distinguish between Jews and the rest of humanity. The Sephardic Chief Rabbi of Israel, Ovadia Yosef, ruled at one stage that skullcaps should be worn to show affiliation with the religiously observant community. The skullcap as such, has little to do with God, it acts as a Jewish symbolic identifier; it differentiates the Jew from the Goy. It operates as a facemask within the Covid 19 religion. While scientists may agree or disagree how useful the facemask is in preventing the spread of Covid 19, the wearing of the mask confirms that you adhere to the Covid19 belief whether you agree with it or not. The wearing of the facemask makes clear that ‘blessed you are trembled before Corona.’

A few final observations are crucial in light of the above. And I am sure these observations won’t make me popular.

Since Islam and Christianity are peppered with Jerusalemite patterns of legalistic structures, it is unlikely that Islam or Christianity have the powers to emancipate us from the current tsunami of crude apocalyptic religions. This task may be left to Pagans, Agnostics and Athenians, people who extend beyond banal binaries and instead bond with the human spirit and the search for the meaning of Being. This may explain the popularity of dissenting voices like Alexander Dugin, David Icke and outlets like Unz Review and London Real that, although subject to the most restrictive authoritarian measures, only become more popular. It is because they resemble the Hebrew prophets, Jesus and Spinoza. It is true that questions to do with Being in the World are not popular in Jerusalem but history remembers Jesus, Spinoza and Heidegger, it pays zero attention to the Jerusalemites and rabbis who tried to silence them.

This also explains why Rabbinical Jews do not take Covid19 very seriously. Jews have been trembling in front of their God for 3000 years. It has worked just fine, there is no reason for them to jump into new apocalyptic regimes that clumsily attempt to clone their own. Let Covid19 run for a few millennia, let Dr. Fauci and Bill Gates assemble their Corona like ‘Torah and Mitzvoth’ before Orthodox Jews consider it as a serious candidate in their deity contest.

* Pleasure Principle – In Freudian psychoanalysis refers to the instinctive seeking of pleasure and avoidance of pain to satisfy biological and psychological needs.

 
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  1. Fascinating argument, Gilad.

    You say that “We observe that those who express any doubts about the official 9/11 narrative, global warming hysteria or Covid 19 are quickly labelled by the media as ‘rightwing,’ ‘Nazis,’ Conspiracy Theorists and antisemites.”

    What’s interesting about this is that, just a couple of decades ago, some time before 9/11/01, the kneejerk response of the mainstream to those who questioned official narratives (now known as “conspiracy theorists”) was to call them “left-wing kooks.”

    Then the assignment of anathema shifted, and suddenly the questioners are “rightwing”. The question is why. I think the paradigm you present is the start of an explanation.

    Mostly, I think, it’s a question of strategy on the part of the ruling class.

  2. Literally:

    You’ve explained a lot, but I still don’t understand why a yarmulke is designed to not quite fit 😀

  3. Wyatt says:

    I’ve wondered recently on the connections between Jews desiring to be the feudal lords of a post racial, global fiefdom. Socialism and Marxism presuppose universal equality, but anyone who has taken a biology class that covered evolution, people watched or looked up FBI crime stats knows there is no such thing as universal equality.

    This is the thing that troubles me. Is it pilpul or is it tikkun olam that dominates jewish belief regarding hard leftism? Are they lying so that they can be masters of humanity or do they genuinely believe their own lie? I feel like there’s a third factor I’m missing that better explains what’s been going on for the last 200 years.

  4. T. Weed says:

    I love the way Atzmon contrasts Jerusalem vs Athens: Obey vs Question. It’s a very important distinction that nobody else, that I’ve seen, makes. Alas, there are fewer Athenians than Jerusalemites. More sheep than cats.

    • Replies: @Tsar Nicholas
  5. Svevlad says:

    Jerusalem is order, Athens is chaos. They need each other to exist in the first place. Hence why their typical societies (old Israel and ancient Greece) fell apart due to their own reasons:

    Ancient Greece due to too much infighting, old Israel due to becoming too legalistic and inflexible.

    Like communism vs capitalism, left vs right, it’s yet another false dilemma.

  6. @nosquat loquat

    But the Left has been reduced into Left Over, it is us who sustain dissent..

    • Replies: @follyofwar
    , @Colin Wright
  7. @Wyatt

    It morphs according to what they regard as their prime interests at any given time…

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  8. bj0311 says:

    When I was at Fort Lewis Washington in the late 1980’s we were required to sit through a briefing on AIDs which including watching a film presentation. About ten or fifteen minutes into the film I noticed I was very tense and ill at ease–when I looked around I saw I wasn’t the only one feeling that way. A few minutes later the film projector malfunctioned and you chould clearly see the words “AIDS THREAT” flashing on the screen. After that the tension was gone, because we saw “the man behind the curtian”.

    I will never forget that experience and I recognized the same type of mechanism at work after the 9-11 farce and in today’s farce as well. With me I don’t live in fear, I live in a state of perpetual anger (which can be just as bad). When I had to make a foray yesterday to stock up on booze, I noticed I was the only person not wearing a professionally made mask. I wear the same green cravat I used in the military for dust control and I never put it over my nose–my way of flipping off the establishment nonsense. I only go out for booze now because I get so mad everytime I see these sheep. If you have a professionally made mask and you willingly wear it, you have acquiesced to the lie and are unworthy of living.

    Watch the Outer Limits season 1 episode 3 which aired in 1963 https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0667826/ The title of the episode is “The Architects of Fear”

    • Thanks: Jefferson Temple
    • Replies: @R.C.
  9. anonymous[209] • Disclaimer says:

    Exactly. Ignore all the philosophical bullshit, whether it’s theology or civic religion. Authoritarian regimes like Judaism and the US government are doctrines imposing orthopraxy in the interest of social control.

    Fear is central because threats serve as pretexts for predation. Jews instilled it into their culture but the US, with its synthetic “Judeo-Christian tradition,” industrialized it. The threat industry is the USA’s largest industrial sector, particularly if you include illegal clandestine warfare and domestic surveillance/repression.

    Dreaming up threats is the USA’s renewable, inexhaustible resource. Instead of starting with state duties or your rights, the national security sector directs itself toward threats, proceeds to vulnerabilities, and derives requirements. Then they compete for repressive capacity extracted from the subject population. National security tax parasites dream up threats based loosely on nations, ideologies, or civil society associations. Is this the threat? Or is that the threat?

    Blow your threats out your ass and get a real job. Fuck this institutionalized neurosis you call a state.

    The only real threat is you – when you decide you don’t need this parasitic class of professional bed-wetters eavesdropping on us and blowing shit up.

    • Replies: @goldgettin
  10. ariadna says:
    @Sollipsist

    “I still don’t understand why a yarmulke is designed to not quite fit”

    If something is easy to do it is not a mitzva. Hairpins for those who still have enough hair, maybe a bit of glue for those who don’t, and hold it with your hand when it’s windy.

  11. ariadna says:

    “Judaism was defined through strict adherence to Jewish mitzvoth, commandments of the Torah itself.”

    Well-versed in legalistic argumentation, cunning rabbis have provided loopholes to the hard laws, like the eruvim invention. Or the dispensation of using leavened flour if in the process of making matzot you “accidentally” tipped over a container with leavened flour into the bowl of unleavened flour. This is not to say that all the mitzvah are fair game to make daily life easier for Jews. Only the ones that do not threaten tribal cohesion and the core supremacist beliefs.

    • Replies: @Wally
  12. Soliton says:

    Excellent article that ties in with a very good video made by TruthStream Media.

    They compare covid-19 to an unconscious initiation ritual (into a new “religion”)

  13. ‘Following 9/11 we were taken into a world war against Islam as the ‘Islamists,’ we were told by our Neocon masters, were ‘intending to eradicate our civilization.’ Shortly after, the economic bubble collapsed. We were prepared for global poverty. Even as we recovered from the economic turmoil, global warming was threatening to grill us alive or maybe flush us into the ocean. In between all of those catastrophic scenarios, Isis was also a global existential threat and then came Covid-19…

    … Being repeatedly globally, universally and collectively terrified of an ‘imminent apocalyptic catastrophe’ is a new phenomenon…’

    It’s new; but not as new as you would have it.

    The threats you cite were all substitutes for a world in which there had been more authentic threats: first, Nazism, and then Communism.

    We learned to expect a Manichaean world — and when we couldn’t have it, strove to invent it.

    …I remember a certain genre of action film in the nineties. After Communism ceased to be a credible threat, but before 9/11, these films had to make do with ‘Neo-Nazis’ and other decidedly improbable villains. It wasn’t until 9/11 that we were able to settle upon ‘Islamofascism.’ There, once again, we had a kernel of truth, which, if we just watered it carefully with provocations, and kind of squinted, could be perceived to menace us. This reached its ultimate expression in the pointless outrages of ISIS — fostered by a carefully calibrated policy of promoting anarchy in the Syrian desert. Now, we’re trying to bait Iran into playing the same role for us. So far, they’ve managed to resist our blandishments — but we’ll see.

    We want a certain world. We’ve learned to strive to bring it about. The Lord helps those who help themselves.

  14. @Gilad Atzmon

    Mr. Atzmon, in your otherwise fascinating article, I had hoped that you would address the problem of circumcision, which, according to Freud, (who refused to subject his sons to brit milah), is at the heart of anti-Semitism. Perhaps many other problems which plague circumcised males all over the world today could be linked to the violent trauma they suffered as children.

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin, Liza
    • Replies: @Kali
    , @Gilad Atzmon
    , @ariadna
    , @anon
  15. @Gilad Atzmon

    ‘But the Left has been reduced into Left Over, it is us who sustain dissent…’

    I think the very fact that you’re here on Unz suggests that the Left/Right paradigm no longer really fits the situation.

    We have, rather, a reigning orthodoxy, surrounded by a confused medley of dissenting sects.

    I recently had an experience that suggested the depth of the problem. At another site where I spend a lot of time, I recently tried to move from just attacking all the nonsense that orthodoxy attempts to impose to formulating our own platform.

    We couldn’t agree on much of anything! Go ahead: try it.

    You can perceive legions of allies — but just see how many you can get to all agree at once on a set of specific stances regarding Israel, immigration, sexual deviance, abortion, the place of Jews in modern society, global warming, the place of Christian dogma in modern society, blacks, Islam, gun rights, the welfare state, and whatever else I’ve overlooked.

    I listed eleven subjects. Pick one, and a million will agree with you. However, if you formulate a specific stance on all of them, you’ll find yourself with two devoted followers.

    • Thanks: Gilad Atzmon
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Miro23
  16. Kali says:

    I just wrote this in another comment (on Pat Buchanans’ current column). It seems fitting for this thread also.

    “We have a choice. We can evolve as a species, individual by individual. We can reject all that professes to be “Law” – law of “god”, law of the jews, law of the Christians, law of Islam – but is NOT the law of [Creation]!

    We will do better without the jurisdiction of an insane, man-made “god”, which hates this tiny aspect of all creation so much it loaded sin (copyright: “god” TM) into the very fabric of its headfuck of a “creation”. And we KNOW it!”

    Many years ago a small group of my dear friends established The Spiritual Sentient Society of Pagan Freeman. It’s a state of mind, and a state of Being that unites us.

    Thank you for an excellent column, Gilad. With a little effort to beat the censors we can still get this message out to our famit’s and friends.

    With love and thanks,
    Kali.

  17. ‘…US president Trump learned recently that his plan to defeat Iran by means of sanctions on behalf of Zion may not be an easy task…’

    But the plan isn’t to ‘defeat’ Iran at all.

    It’s to bait her into striking back. We (or rather, Israel) needs another enemy to crush, and Iran’s been nominated for the role.

    Note, incidentally, the rather gloomy prognosis this implies. Obviously, at some point we will succeed in provoking Iran into striking back.

    Once that happens, we will go to war in righteous outrage. One of two things then happens.

    Either (a) the war is a failure, in which case we’ve suffered a humiliating, painful, and probably morally catastrophic defeat.

    Or somewhat improbably (b) it’s a success — but in that case Israel will simply need a new enemy. Turkey? Whatever. We’ll have to repeat the process somewhere.

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
    • Replies: @follyofwar
    , @Druid
    , @Notsofast
  18. Kali says:
    @follyofwar

    Perhaps many other problems which plague circumcised males all over the world today could be linked to the violent trauma they suffered as children.

    This is crucial to the current and future health of mankind! End such barbarism now! Address the massive psychological wound it leaves, this first attack of a jelous god against Adam.

    • Agree: follyofwar, anarchyst, Liza
  19. Sparrow says:

    I have never worn a yamulka nor face mask…I stand where I want, when I want. I pay cash every time I purchase something. When you know who is behind the LIE…then I don’t obey it. I walk with the Savior Jesus Christ, therefore anyone wearing those ridiculous things can never stop me walking in the Truth. That’s freedom. I may not be rich. I don’t have a car. I don’t have a bank account. I don’t have insurance. I don’t own a home. I don’t have the worldly things that can be used against me by the LIE. My heart has been changed to be a willing and obedient child of God because I have come to ‘know’ Him. When I screw up…all it takes is, ‘I’m sorry’…that’s it…no different than the way we are brought up to respect our parents. Judaism is by far THE most equivalence to the Anti Messiah or Anti Christ. There is no mercy, no love, no kindness, no healing, no PATIENCE, an abundance of REVENGE ON IMAGINARY ENEMIES, no acceptance of others no matter who or where they are from. In fact, with such an impossible feat of adhering to 600+ commands, it would drive one to head for the swamp of greed, decadence, excess in every fleshly realm or to the complete other end of Tyranny, OR BOTH! This is what occupies Palestine and any other nation. Excess of a paradigm leaves absolutely zero room for the Spirit let alone some kind of peaceful existence. If Judaism is meant to elevate over the earthly…then it explains why this cult can’t live on it, live with it, or understand it as we are one with all of creation. When our spirit is renewed by the baptism of the Holy Spirit and the baptism of our Lord Jesus Christ, only then can it be used for the Revelation of God through study…food from the Tree of Life (Jesus), the manna instead of mammon, that unites our spirit with the Spirit of God. As He is our Teacher…not man made cultish bondage from the talmud. Jews are trying to escape this bondage only to heap up more as the entrance to the satanic realm is assured without these two. This is what we live with today…and the MISERY byproduct is death.

    Take a listen to a truthful Rabbi:

    …and here is an outlay of what the Rabbi spoke of:

    https://christiansfortruth.com/how-the-jews-of-weimar-germany-ensured-the-rise-of-national-socialism/

    What will it take to end this madness? Not war. But simply… ‘I’m sorry’.

    God Bless and thank you Gilad.

    • Replies: @Sparrow
    , @Wombat
  20. ‘… The facemask has become our universal ‘skullcap.’ It is a symbolic identifier of our adherence to the current politics of ‘Corona menace.’ …’

    Meh. At least around here, there’s a big difference.

    Try not wearing it! Even though 95% of everyone else grudgingly complies, I make a point of refusing to do so until explicitly told to put it on. My theory is that this only ends when we all stop taking part, so…

    In the last week, I’ve been forced to don it exactly once. No one cares! More to the point, I don’t feel any sense of disapproval from others. I’ve even been in and out of national chains — once the high holy places of mask-worship — without having to keep it on.

    If the facemask were our ‘modern skullcap,’ this wouldn’t be the response. If this is a religion, it’s gone the way of fire-worship.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  21. ‘… But it can hardly be denied that the Jews and their not so merciful deity have managed to survive for three millennia while other sophisticated and superior civilizations have, one after another, disappeared into oblivion…’

    Really? To begin with, there’s only evidence for something recognizable as Judaism existing since about 500 BC — that is to say, it’s been around for about 2500 years, not three thousand.

    That gives it a certain seniority over Christianity (2000 years) and Islam (1400 years) but the difference isn’t radical.

    ‘Ah,’ but you say, ‘Judaism is more than merely the willingness to accept the validity of a particular text. It’s an entire culture, an outlook on life.’

    Really? Does the modern Israeli really share much with the Jew of the eighteenth-century shtetl? Would either have much in common with the Babylonian Jew of the fifth century ad? Do any of them much resemble the fanatics of Masada? Is there anything more constant in the various eras and cultures of Judaism that there is in the various strands of Islam and Christianity — or for that matter, of Buddhism?

    One of the more constant elements in Jewish chauvinism is an insistence on the ineffable uniqueness and endurance of Judaism. It’s vaguely gratifying to see even such an iconoclast as yourself buying into it.

    I question it. I’d say the Jew of today shares no more with his ancestors than the modern American shares with George Washington. There’s nothing uniquely enduring there at all. Given the striking similarities in just about every respect between Judaism and Islam, there’s not much that’s unique, either.

    • Replies: @Ann Nonny Mouse
  22. @Colin Wright

    Though I wish for Trump to be re-elected, I’m fearful that a second term Trump, unable to run for a third term, will feel free to start a Holocaust against the Persian people. Of course, after the several wars that Obama/Biden started in their two terms, the far left democrats, with senile Biden a mere figurehead, are liable to be worse.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  23. Sparrow says:
    @Sparrow

    …when you worship a LIE
    …you feed on that LIE
    …you become that LIE
    …you live that LIE
    …you project that LIE
    …you’re oppressed by that LIE
    …you go to war with that LIE
    …you die from and with that LIE

    Therefore how can you love your neighbor as yourself?

  24. In the case of Pre TSD a human subject is tormented by the phantasy of an imaginary catastrophic event in the future. This destructive fantasy evolves into trauma that may manifest in emotionally driven irrational conduct. Pre TSD often operates as a ‘self-fulfilling prophecy’- the condition in which ‘prediction’ becomes reality simply because the person who believes it adopts certain behavioral patterns that result in the fulfilment of his belief.

    The Tell Tale Heart phenomenon. There was a good thread on twitter yesterday about this in relation to progressives’ response to Trump (see below). Essentially, they know they deserve punishment for their sins and they think everyone else can see the stains on their souls.

  25. @Colin Wright

    Guy in my neighborhood threatened a store owner with a gun and shot a cop because he is exactly like you: he doesn’t want to wear a mask. Because it’s such a horrible imposition.

    I would say it is the anti-maskers who are the danger.

    • LOL: Stonehands
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Anon
    , @anaccount
  26. Anon[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sollipsist

    You’ve explained a lot, but I still don’t understand why a yarmulke is designed to not quite fit.

    A structural functionalist might suggest that its size would perfectly serve the purpose of concealing Jew Pattern Baldness for the most fertile reproductive years of the adult male.

    I’m more fascinated by Gilad’s proposition of the beanie as an early form of virtue signaling.

    How about the Tefillin, Gilad? Symbolic of a metaphysical BDSM relationship with the divine of sorts?

    • Replies: @animalogic
  27. @follyofwar

    ‘Though I wish for Trump to be re-elected, I’m fearful that a second term Trump, unable to run for a third term, will feel free to start a Holocaust against the Persian people…’

    I’m hopeful it’s the opposite. Of course Trump has no inner compulsion to start yet another Middle East war.

    In fact, he and Adelson apparently recently quarreled — and now Adelson’s not listed by Forbes as one of Trump’s big donors.

    My interpretation of all that is that Trump had promised Adelson his war back in 2016, and got all that money to get elected and deliver. In the upshot, he got elected, but never did deliver the war. He tried — see Soleimani’s assassination. But no dice. Iran just never bit.

    So now he wanted more money to get re-elected. He couldn’t deliver the war right before the election — that would sink him for sure. But Adelson wasn’t going to get taken a second time. He wanted his war first — then he would pony up the cash.

    Trump couldn’t agree to that — war, and he can’t get reelected. But Adelson wasn’t going to trust him this time around. Hence the quarrel — and hence no big bucks.

    Now, if all of a sudden, Trump pops up with twenty million from Adelson — well, you can figure we’re going to get action. But otherwise — maybe we’ve dodged the bullet yet again.

  28. @obwandiyag

    ‘Guy in my neighborhood threatened a store owner with a gun and shot a cop because he is exactly like you: he doesn’t want to wear a mask. Because it’s such a horrible imposition.

    I would say it is the anti-maskers who are the danger.’

    It’s reassuring to see you and I are on opposite sides.

  29. Christ, not religion, is basically what you are saying as to Christians…if that is the case Gilad I totally agree with you. Thank you for pointing this out. Christ gives one a choice….traditional religions, even man-made Christianity, usually do not, for it is man-made disguised as “Christ-made.” The hand (Christ), not the glove (religion)!

  30. Jewish religion is only cover for the power.
    Christian religion was true at the beginning, but later Christianity also did become only cover for the power.

  31. @follyofwar

    There is so much to say about it… however I addressed issues tai do with circumcision many times in the past…

    • Thanks: follyofwar
  32. Anon[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @obwandiyag

    I would say it is the anti-maskers who are the danger.

    Science says that Darwin says that Nature says, that if you don’t have the immune system to fight-off a pathogen, then Nature wants you the fuck off the planet – your line is a dead end.

    That being the case, take off the mask and take your chances, you’re weakening the long term fitness of the species with your selfish demands for artificial intervention.

    If you happen to be religious, and you die from whatever this is, then even your god doesn’t want you here – so why nag us about it?

  33. Ko says:

    ” Following 9/11 we were taken into a world war against Islam as the ‘Islamists,’ we were told by our Neocon masters, were ‘intending to eradicate our civilization.’ ”

    Well, they really are.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  34. It’s the jewish gloom and doom machine that’s shrouding this planet in a cloud of anxiety. Throw a monkey wrench into it and be done with it…

  35. @Sollipsist

    ‘god’ moves in ‘mysterious’ ways, I’m told…, but why would he talk via rabies rabbis, guys from a tribe that allegedly helped kill his only sun son…?

  36. CamFree says:

    The antagonistoic relationship between the ancient tribe of Israel and its God (Yahweh) has today been transposed into the asymmetrical relationship between a lost and decadent Western humanity and the inscrutable power of those Jewish elites who rule over it almost completely unchallenged… Under the universal Jerusalemite order of the new normal, not only do we all have to worship a strange, distant and very jealous God who forbids his name to ever be spoken in public in vain – or without due reverence, we are today oppressed by an unaccountable tyrant (Jewish power) that has fabricated a series of grand narratrives about imminent global catastrophe’s that the tyrant himself has manufactured (9/11 and the war on Islamic terrorism, Climate Change, Global Financial Crisis, ISIS, Russian election meddling, and now Covid), in order to impose a strict regime of increasingly arbitrary rules and nonsenical commandments that everyone must follow and obey without question, under the permanent threat of perpetual damnation by this merciless tyranny of correctness.

  37. @Ko

    ‘” Following 9/11 we were taken into a world war against Islam as the ‘Islamists,’ we were told by our Neocon masters, were ‘intending to eradicate our civilization.’ ”

    ‘Well, they really are.’

    And the Mormons all really want us to become Mormons.

    However, neither group is very likely to succeed, so why should we worry?

    There are groups that are far more corrosive to our civilization. Most of them are very concerned to see that we worry about the Islamic threat.

    • Agree: Druid
    • Replies: @Ko
  38. Anon[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @Svevlad

    “Jerusalem is order, Athens is chaos.”

    Ancient Athens had a sewer/water system, Jew-Salem had to wait for the Romans to build it, no?

    One had a town center that undoubtedly smelled like an abattoir effluent mixed with human urine & shit, the other not so much.

    I’ll take chaotic fag philosophers over navel gazing psychopathic priests, just for the plumbing alone, all things being equal, thanks.

    • Replies: @animalogic
  39. anarchyst says:

    I haven’t worn a face diaper once and will continue to refuse to wear one.

    I have shopped in almost all of the “big box” stores without incident (except Menards). Menards is so “jewy” they will force you to purchase an overpriced face diaper if you want to shop there (I don’t).

    The “face diaper enforcers” are usually low-level employees who don’t want to be in the position of telling people to wear a face diaper anyway.

    I confidently stroll past them without saying a word, not acknowledging them or even looking at them.

    I might have a small scowl on my face which usually sends a message “not to mess with me”. It has worked every time.

    Give the face diaper enforcers a break. Don’t even acknowledge them…they will (secretly) thank you.

    • Agree: Liza
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  40. @Colin Wright

    Masada? They celebrate it! Today! In Adelaide, decades ago, they moved the only synagogue out of the CBD to a nice downtown area, prob only 4-5 km away, made it invisible from the street, but right next to it are the buildings of a college, Massada [sic] College. Sickening!

    But that “ineffable uniqueness” is purely the result of their bullying and threatening and maybe killing, the fact that Judaism is totalitarian. That, totalitarian, is the word Israel Shahak uses to explain the survival of Judaism into the modern world. He goes into much detail about how oppressive it has been, oppressive of the Jews, throughout history, wherever there are records the Jews have not been able to destroy. The Jews have always been the victims, but of what?

    And in Benjamin Disraeli’s biography, written by a French Jew, we are told of the immense fine in money the Jews imposed on his father because he refused ever to go to the synagogue. Yet when Ben was born, the rabbi was on his doorstep.

    And Karl Popper in his autobiography describes the huge anger of the Austrian Jews, including accusations of cowardice, when his father and mother became Christians before any of their children were born.

    Shahak makes the point that the survival of Judaism till now is matter for shame, not pride.

    • Replies: @Ann Nonny Mouse
  41. utu says:

    Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. – Matthew 7:15

    If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a sign or wonder, and if the sign or wonder spoken of takes place, and the prophet says, “Let us follow other gods” (gods you have not known) “and let us worship them,” you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The Lord your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. – Deuteronomy 13:1-3

  42. @anarchyst

    ‘I haven’t worn a face diaper once and will continue to refuse to wear one.’

    I don’t go that far. If someone accosts me and demands that I put it on, I will.

    But they have to accost me — and they have to come back every minute and make sure I still have it on.

    If we all did that much, this nonsense would end.

  43. Biff says:

    Following 9/11 we were taken into a world war against Islam as the ‘Islamists,’ we were told by our Neocon masters, were ‘intending to eradicate our civilization

    Do you think every element of the lockdown will end? After 9/11 was traveling ever the same? Haven’t you noticed the double standards already, such as our corporate elite and their associated Hollywood entertainers are suddenly free to travel and cross borders but you’re not?

    The schism will become permanent.

  44. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    And Spinoza. The rabbis wanted him killed. The Dutch wouldn’t allow it. The Spaniards presumably would have.

    • Agree: Arcturus
  45. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sollipsist

    Yarmalukes – so many other uses: face covering, 2 will make a bra, men’s crotch cover
    for the NYC health club sort, ear protection for gun nuts, coat with scotchgard – bat-soup bowl, pirate eye patch, flying boobie-disc, knee pads.

    Surely, a gift from The Word Giver.

    For the bald, large suction cups can work.
    A glob of spit, good for hours.

  46. Seraphim says:

    There is certainly more to the ‘fear of God’:

    “The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and discipline” (Proverbs 1:7).
    “He who ignores discipline despises himself, but whoever heeds correction gains understanding” (Proverbs 15:32).
    “The fear of the LORD is the instruction of wisdom, and humility comes before honor” (Proverbs 15:33).

    “The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding. For through wisdom your days will be multiplied, and years will be added to your life” (Proverbs 9:10).
    “And He said to man, ‘Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom, and to turn away from evil is understanding.’” (Job 28:28).
    “The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom; all who follow His precepts have a rich understanding. His praise endures forever” (Psalm 111:10).

    The Wise Solomon prophetically points out who Wisdom is: “The Wisdom of God, the hidden Wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory”.

    “Wisdom has built a house for herself, and set up seven pillars. 2 She has killed her beasts; she has mingled her wine in a bowl, and prepared her table. 3 She has sent forth her servants, calling with a loud proclamation to the feast, saying, 4 Whoso is foolish, let him turn aside to me: and to them that want understanding she says, 5 Come, eat of my bread, and drink wine which I have mingled for you” (Proverbs 1:1).

    “No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. 45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. 46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father. 47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life. 48 I am that bread of life. 49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. 51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world. 52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat? 53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. 54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. 56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me. 58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever” (John 6:44-58).

    • Thanks: SeekerofthePresence
  47. ariadna says:
    @follyofwar

    “circumcision, which, according to Freud, (who refused to subject his sons to brit milah), is at the heart of anti-Semitism. ”

    At the heart, no less. Tiens, tiens… Freud said many other things which are false. This is perhaps the only one that made me laugh.

  48. wilnav says:

    Thank you for you wisdom.

    There is one prophesy that is nullified by action in the bible. It is the prophesy of Jonah and Nineveh.

    Without going into the christian version. What has always stood out to me is that the people of Nineveh change there ways and the plaque was avoided.

    Likewise all prophesy can be avoided by doing what is the opposite of the cause. Athenian behavior. Discovering a path that opens possibility and strengths self reliance and independence, while nurturing community.

    Again thank you.

  49. anaccount says:
    @obwandiyag

    Unfortunately your virus hoax doesn’t produce the fatality rate that our shit hole society deserves. The mean $heenies are very pushy about the virus panic so that is why you wear a fag gag. There is nothing complicated about it.

  50. Art says:

    For Leibowitz, Judaism is the story of the development of mitzvoth, the all encompassing system of Jewish law. Judaism is basically a legal apparatus.

    For three millennia those brilliant (or stupid) Jews never figured out the law of unintended consequences.

    Hence all the troubles that they have brought onto themselves.

  51. Wally says:
    @ariadna

    This is how Jews ‘define’ themselves:

    poll: Judaism IS the ‘holocaust’: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9774
    and:
    Being Jewish is ‘Remembering; the Holocaust’
    https://codoh.com/media/files/sr215.pdf

  52. The meme of fear of a future apocalypse was examined in Velikovsky’s posthumous book Mankind in Amnesia, and his thesis was similar to Gilad’s except he extended it to the whole of humanity. The climate change movement is its latest incarnation.

  53. Druid says:
    @Colin Wright

    7 countries in 5 years. Part of a long term, Yinon, plan. So far, it’s working, unfortunately.

    • Agree: The Real World
  54. Druid says:
    @Seraphim

    Why don’t you go to Tel Aviv and rent a pulpit!

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  55. @anonymous

    You is on it.. We need an international soapbox,bodyguards

    and a very loud multilingual broadcast system.

    Lets get this done.

  56. @Anon

    The conclusion that follows from your argument would appear to be that we should cease any and all medical and public health interventions because they impede the process of natural selection.

    But this is to ignore the fact that natural selection applies to the trait of intelligence, just as it does to traits like immunity to disease, and that increased intelligence also confers enhanced survivability.

    Hence, the development of Western civilisation, such as it is, has entailed a sustained and increasingly successful effort to use that intelligence to mitigate the effects of naturally occuring threats such as malnutrition and disease. That’s why there are more of us around now than there used to be.

  57. padre says:
    @nosquat loquat

    It doesn’t matter who you label as long you use a scary label!

  58. @Anon

    The Jew’s with the curly-wurly hair strands in front of their ears (forgotten their name) have solved the yarmulke problem, with the old black homburg hat.

  59. @Anon

    “Nature wants… ” Really? “Nature” the entity, the entity that wills & “wants” ?
    Even assuming that it made even a bit of sense, our 2500 odd years attempt at “civilisation ” demonstrates what we really think about Nature’s “wants”.

    • Replies: @Anon
  60. geokat62 says:

    It may imply that we are already subject to the rule of an elusive global power whose characteristics and mode of operation are yet to be unveiled let alone discussed. It may even be that the true nature of that global power is mysterious even to itself.

    I was pleased to see you ended up alluding to the identify of this global power – the Jew – only 468 words after writing this passage.

    Skullcap vs. Facemask

    [The skullcap] operates as a facemask within the Covid 19 religion.

    Handsome Truth and the GDL boys share the same view…

    See “TAKE OFF YOUR FACE YAMAKAS!!!”

    at https://t.me/GDL4LIFE/195

  61. @Anon

    Saving Europe from Eastern (Persian) despotism is also something to be thankful for, I believe. (And all the art & philosophy isn’t to be sniffed at either).

  62. anonymous[979] • Disclaimer says:

    Nice essay. Your description of Jewish perpetual fear reminded me of this passage from Walter Scott’s Ivanhoe (1819).
    “And thus it is probable, that the Jews, by the very frequency of their fear on all occasions, had their minds in some degree prepared for every effort of tyranny which could be practised upon them; so that no aggression, when it had taken place, could bring with it that surprise which is the most disabling quality of terror. Neither was it the first time that Isaac had been placed in circumstances so dangerous. He had therefore experience to guide him, as well as hope, that he might again, as formerly, be delivered as a prey from the fowler. Above all, he had upon his side the unyielding obstinacy of his nation, and that unbending resolution, with which Israelites have been frequently known to submit to the uttermost evils which power and violence can inflict upon them, rather than gratify their oppressors by granting their demands.”

    • Thanks: Gilad Atzmon
  63. christine says:

    ‘If god is an entity inherently foreign to human experience’…LOL!!.

    Try taking 10 grams cracker dry cubensis every 7 days for 12 months and then try repeating this mumbo jumbo nonsense.

    Those with a’ proper understanding’ of religion snd spirituality know that entheogens(god within!) serve as the portal to god when one has full mastery of spirit.

    Anyone without a ‘full understanding’ of spirituality shouldn’t even attempt to write about religion and god and Leibowitz a ‘genius’…..hahahaha good one!….more like a ‘spiritual numpty know fcuk all’ if you ask me and the original belief in monotheism was very likely taught by god to ancient Egyptians by use of entheogens.

    ‘Blessed is the one who always trembles before god’

    Take those massive doses of cubes like i said and come back and tell me you weren’t trembling before ‘god within’.

    And you can bet it is a blessing once you have cleaned your underwear with those trembling hands a few times…LOL.

  64. geokat62 says:

    And you can bet it is a blessing once you have cleaned your underwear with those trembling hands a few times…LOL.

    Fran, is that you?

    • Agree: Larchmonter420
  65. Anonymous[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright

    I listed eleven subjects. Pick one, and a million will agree with you. However, if you formulate a specific stance on all of them, you’ll find yourself with two devoted followers.

    Colin

    C. Caldwell, The Entitlement Society, suggests that there are two parties in the US right now- those who benefit from the 1964 Civil Rights act (CRA), and those who pay for the CRA with their money, work, and often enough their lives. Taking the 1965 immigration act as an extension of the 1964 CRA, I think that Caldwell is correct.

    This base is emerging right now, and pretty quickly at that. It is driven by the Left’s attempt to preserve their funding in the face of the White Death (deaths of despair that are actually driving down White lifespans), which White Death is driven by governmental persecution of Whies as mandated under the 1964 CRA as interpreted by the Federal Government.

    You might look for unity in this emerging base.

    Underlying process note: The CRA was passed by Republicans as a moral issue that was (I suspect) intended to recapture the “Black Vote”. The “moral feeling” behind the CRA was essentially the Enlightenment assertion that “all men are equally able to use logic, and so can be united by fear of death”. Pretty much everybody in the US has now had enough personal experience to see that the assertion just isn’t so, and that holding to it is suicidal, so the “moral feeling” is confined to a few fanatics and to social inertia. The “moral feeling” is being jettisoned for the same reason a swimmer might let go of a 20 pound anchor.

  66. @T. Weed

    I don’t think that obedience (to a rightful authority) is necessarily in conflict with the idea of questioning. It’s a bit like the Gipper’s old line, “Trust but verify.”

    • Replies: @T. Weed
    , @TRM
  67. @Julian of Norwich

    The reason why there are more us now than there used to be is exponential growth. 2, 4, 8, 16, 32. . . .

    That, plus a large input from fossil fuels which has powered the Green Revolution and allowed us to feed nearly 8 billion humans.

    And asking whether the fact that so many citizens of western countries have regular prescriptions for some kind of pharmaceutical is actually fuelling ill health may also be a sign of intelligence.

  68. Seraphim says:
    @Druid

    I’ve been already to the Holy Sepulcher where I saw the Holy Light. I am a “hagi”.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  69. @Wyatt

    I’ve wondered for a long time about the Jewish attitude towards Germany:
    – on the one hand many Jewish names seem to be fake German names: if the Jews really hate Germany I somehow feel they would not want to use (or keep) such a name.
    – on the other hand the Ron Unz honest history library shows that:
    — Germany did not want to eliminate the Jews and did not want WW1&2
    — A major Jewish objective was the complete destruction of Germany
    So the WW1&2 objectives included the complete destruction of a country that was no real threat to the Jews.

    If I put those 2 aspects together could it be that the Jewish attitude towards Germany holds an inner conflict? And if the Jews are not allowed to examine their own feelings how can this inner conflict ever be solved?

    • Thanks: Ann Nonny Mouse
    • Replies: @E_Perez
    , @PolarBear
  70. Akouo says:

    “wonder why the Jews bothered to invent such a jealous God. ” Simple, they didn’t! They simply converted to the religion centuries after the Judahites/Hebrews had been wiped out by the Romans!
    This constant substituting the words ‘jew’ and “jewish’ into anything which originally said Judahite or Hebrew changes nothing. The God of the Psalms, of exodus and Leviticus is borrowed by the jews so no wonder they don’t understand! When Abraham was talking with God, the scythians as the jews were known then, were worshipping trees and horses! When the prophets were telling of the coming of Christ, the khazarians as the jews were called then, were casting spells and mumbling. Only faced with the threat of islam did these aggressive gypsies finally convert to their current faith and call themselves jews which is conveniently similar to Judahite! However, they chose poorly, they chose the pharisaic rabbinism that Christ constantly rebuked the priests for instead of the simple Hebrew religion. They only pretend to follow the Hebrew Torah whilst actually following the medaeval, Babylonian gibberish of the talmud.
    You fool only yourselves.

    • Replies: @Ann Nonny Mouse
  71. A good article that explains how and why religion and government are two sides of the same coin.

    It also explains why atheists and anarchists are the real thinkers in the society unburdened by stupidstitions.

    • Agree: Gilad Atzmon
  72. Wombat says:
    @Sparrow

    Well said Sparrow.
    I think that you understand the real meaning of Jesus Christ, at least I think so.
    Christianity, not Judo Christianity which is a contradiction in terms.

    • Replies: @Sparrow
  73. Miro23 says:
    @Colin Wright

    You can perceive legions of allies — but just see how many you can get to all agree at once on a set of specific stances regarding Israel, immigration, sexual deviance, abortion, the place of Jews in modern society, global warming, the place of Christian dogma in modern society, blacks, Islam, gun rights, the welfare state, and whatever else I’ve overlooked.

    There’s the option of having national referendums on divisive issues and it works OK. The Swiss do this. If any canton can get enough signatures on an issue, they can launch a national referendum. The public have to vote, and they get an information pack from each side – for and against (paid for by the government). For example, some years ago they tackled gay marriage and it passed into law – but with a ban on adopting children.

  74. Ko says:
    @Colin Wright

    Hmmm. Are you serious? The existence of Islam demands it converts all people to Islam or else kill them, preferably by decapitation. Why is it that Muslims expand into non-Islam lands? And Mormons just want to get laid.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  75. Robjil says:
    @Seraphim

    John Hagee has a name to match that title.

    He is an Israel firster.

    And a Christ seconder.

    • Agree: Larchmonter420
  76. Is it because they know that their deity character is a jealous God (“For thou shalt worship no other god: for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God”: Exodus 34:14)?

    What a Bullshit and crappy article. Atzmon, you once more proved that you are a wolf in sheep clothing. Can Creator be creation?

    Are emotions creations? So does God (Allah) has emotions? Can Allah love, hate, be scared, be jealous, be fearful?

    As a Shia Muslim I believe these things are beyond Allah (God) and the Creator cannot be creation!

    Your knowledge of Islam is Zilch. And, I don’t have to remind you the Prophet Mohammad (saws) got the stories wrong. I can as a Muslim remind you that none of the stories he got right from both Torah and Evangel.

    Be careful Shlomo what you write about Islam without having any knowledge of Islam.

    Best regards,

    Mohamed

    • Replies: @Larchmonter420
  77. anon[246] • Disclaimer says:

    One road

    We all stand naked before the Lord,
    Without crown,without shoes.
    From the day they cut the cord,
    Till the day we pay our dues.
    We get only what is poured,
    No more and no less.

    Earn dignity with your labour,
    Give alms to the poor.
    With tyrants curry no favour,
    Let the righteous endure.
    Have no grudges to harbour,
    With wisdom you can be sure.

    So hurry not on the road to hell,
    The gatekeepers await.
    For they can foretell,
    The story of your fate.
    The final ring of the bell
    As the hour grows late.

    • Replies: @Sparrow
  78. To avoid one rotten apple from spoiling the whole barrel the bad fruit is thrown away … how do you prevent the “Jewish Pre-TSD Syndrome” from spoiling the humanity?

    • Thanks: Larchmonter420
  79. In between all of those catastrophic scenarios, Isis was also a global existential threat

    Another bullshit of Atzmon. Any child know that ISIS was the creation of both USA and KSA. ISIS was godsend as it proved to Muslims, that things are NOT Predestined. The Caliph and/or the King is NOT Chosen by the Will of Allah. Allah’s Will has nothing to do with it. The Kings and Caliphs are chosen by their father/brother and so forth and nothing to do with Allah. Or they use force like Abu-Bakr al-Baghdadi and proclaim themselves to be either Caliph or King.

    Thus, Abu-Bakr al-Baghdadi destroyed the core of those Muslims’ belief that he was appointed by the Will of Allah! Destroying the concept of Caliphate within Islam and throwing it under the bus for good!

    Best regards,

    Mohamed

    • Troll: Seraphim
  80. @Larchmonter420

    And, I don’t have to remind you the Prophet Mohammad (saws) got the stories wrong. I can as a Muslim remind you that none of the stories he got right from both Torah and Evangel.

    Correction: And, I don’t have to remind you the Prophet Mohammad (saws) got the stories wrong. I can as a Muslim assure you that none of the stories he got right from both Torah (not TaNaKh and not Talmud) and Evangel(not New Testament) as Islam only recognizes Torah and Evangel.

    Best regards,

    Mohamed

    • Troll: Seraphim
  81. “Leibowitz further observed that “Emancipation from bondage of nature can only be brought about by religion of the Mitzvoth.””

    Was Leibowitz a monotheistic Jew or a polytheistic Hindoo (to avoid bad karma do your good dharma)?

    • Replies: @Larchmonter420
  82. S says:
    @Wyatt

    This is the thing that troubles me. Is it pilpul or is it tikkun olam that dominates jewish belief regarding hard leftism? Are they lying so that they can be masters of humanity or do they genuinely believe their own lie?

    I’m not Jewish, but the Tikkun Olam (repairing the world) thing strikes me as simply a variant of ‘civilizing the barbarians’, something many a people have told themselves when they are engaging in empire building.

    As empire building typically consists of robbing other people’s of their lands, homes, and wealth, there’s powerful reasons to engage in such self deception, and, in turn, deception of others, as one has to live with themselves. Those of a people so engaged, and not personally profiting from the empire building (probably most) all too often just go with the flow.

    Part of the empire building often involves unilaterally ‘gifting’ ‘civilization’ to other peoples, though those receiving didn’t asks for the ‘gifts’, and many aspects of the ‘civilization’ being offered may well be dubious, and, or, in reality to aid the empire builder in their thefts. Those doing the gifting rationalize their looting of other peoples wealth as simply their ‘just due’, ie ‘ the worker is worthy of his wages’

    I think many will tend to sincerely believe the self deception, initially, but, in time, at least, some will start to see what’s going on. However, the longer such behavior goes on not corrected, persons so engaged can get a hardened, in time ‘turned over’ conscious.

    As you can probably tell, I’m not much into empire building, and think it’s a bad business.

    If one people wishes to learn about something new from another people, providing its not doing harm to anyone in so doing, sure, in good will teach it to them, but, only on the receiving people’s terms, and, if they desire it, and, not as a cover for empire building..ie the massive theft of another people’s wealth.

    • Replies: @S
  83. Jiminy says:

    It’s funny to hear adults going on about having a life of flashbacks and wrong decisions because of a minor operation to remove a small piece of flesh from their bell-end. If that were the case then why not take it to the next logical step and blame being pushed and squeezed through a 6 inch opening for their troubles. I saw the arrival of my 12 pound boy, and that was the epitome of stress, pain, and struggle for both. Maybe if every woman had a cesarean, then the ills of the world would fade.
    But the good thing about this flu, is that we get a welcome break from the diatribe of the evil muslims taking over the world that need defeating. After twenty years of rejoicing the countless deaths of muslims we all needed a rest.
    Only thing is that now I am being told I have to feel anger at the oppression of Chinese wegers. Free the wegers, China or else. By the middle of next year we’ll be well and truly into the next news cycle. Out with the old and in with the new.

  84. trickster says:

    Well I long ago noticed there was always a sequence of dramas each one following closely on the other. The last was what Russia collusion that went on for a couple of years and as soon as that was proven to be nonsense Covid appeared on the scene.

    The public is already fed up with the daily dose of hysteria vomited up by the experts. We are weary of seeing the weasel Fauci and his flunky Birx and listening to their bunk. A friend of mine told me that Dr Tam, a flat faced blank look Chinese Chief Medical Officer in Canada recently stated that a mask must be worn when having sex. No one ever heard of any of these people before but they keep their names at the forefront with continually daily changes to the narrative. The CDC and WHO are also part of the crowd of rabble rousers.

    In the meantime hundreds of masks are being tossed onto the roads and byways even the ones that were fashion statements. Wearing a red top and black pants today ? Well you should wear a read and black mask to tie in with your outfit. These $25 dollar accessories which cost more than a pair of cotton skivvies now litter the parking lots of shopping centers. Hopefully when they virus jumped off them it only jumped 6 feet. Or was that 10 feet ? 30 feet ?

    Just when it seemed that Covid was dying down due to public boredom, we now have the riots and looting by the youth.

    The US (and the rest of the world ?) is always in a state of drama with idiot provocateurs from nutball Thurnberg all the way to Mueller and Fauci……….and the public always jump to their tune.

    The prudent should ignore all this tripe and go about their business as usual, but they dont. How can anyone not see the pattern and why like PAvlov’s dog do they react in the same way time after time even though they know or perhaps even suspect that they are being jacked off ?

    Gilad needs to write an article explaining this phenomenon.

    • Replies: @Larchmonter420
  85. Why not just adorn oneself with just a yellow star instead of a kippah, which may elicit more sympathy and not the opprobrium usually associated wih the head coverings?

  86. @sinewave

    one bra- two mask !!

    Depends on the size of cups. One can make masks for their dogs, horses and mules too!

  87. @Really No Shit

    Was Leibowitz a monotheistic Jew or a polytheistic Hindoo (to avoid bad karma do your good dharma)?

    No difference between a Jew and a Hindu. They are both “Cow Worshipers”!

    Best regards,

    Mohamed

    • Replies: @Really No Shit
  88. @trickster

    Well I long ago noticed there was always a sequence of dramas each one following closely on the other. The last was what Russia collusion that went on for a couple of years and as soon as that was proven to be nonsense Covid appeared on the scene.

    According to Karl Rove’s most famous quote who was the Senior Advisor and Deputy Chief of Staff during the George W. Bush administration:

    “We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors … and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”
    — Karl Rove

    Best regards,

    Mohamed

    • Replies: @S
  89. @Gilad Atzmon

    I enjoy your essays and the panache of your arguments but you have gone over the top on facemasks and attempts in the West to enjoy the anti- Covid success of Asian countries where wearing masks is common.

    As it happens I looked into the use of masks when Sydney, then Melbourne where I live, were choking with bushfire smoke during our summer. The masks which give some protection against pathogens are also best against fine pollutants but are expensive and it would be very wise to get some kind of scientific imprimatur on the quality of ones that one might hope would provide protection against viruses. However, common sense says that wearing any face covering mask protects other people from many
    infectious droplets or aerosols one’s exhalation,especially coughs and sneezes, might otherwise inflict on them. Given the common sense of it I haven’t done a great deal of research but my understanding is that facemasks do indeed reduce infection by coughs and sneezes by the infected.

    In the circumstances I am pleased that I haven’t seen anyone in our large and popular local park walking or standing without a facemask on. It seems to be accepted as the ordinary decent and neighbourly thing to do, at least in middle class areas even amongst the young.

  90. anonymous[397] • Disclaimer says:

    DHS is the dumping ground for bottom of the government’s barrel, so naturally they’re running with the most ridiculous ideas anybody could dredge up.

    https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/09/03/dhs-combats-potential-electromagnetic-pulse-emp-attack

    You can’t just RIF shitheads like this and be done with it. You have march their children off to re-education camps. DHS is the stupidest, crookedest, most psychotic scum in the beltway.

  91. S says:
    @S

    As an addendum to my previous post in regards to people’s learning new things on their own terms, (and not forced via empire ‘ for their own good’), I thought I’d give a couple examples regarding what are termed the Indians in North America.

    Either thru trade, and, or, escaped Spanish horses, the Plains Indian tribes on their own terms (more, or less) learned of, and adapted for their own use, the new ‘technology’ of the horse.

    [MORE]

    At Jamestown, very early on, the Indian women obtained something new, highly valued copper pots, which they used for a multitude of purposes, through trade.

    I read a book by a British guy who came to the US mid 19th century and became a citizen. He described his exploits, some of which involved fighting with pro chattel slave forces against the pro wage slavers (those wanting so called ‘cheap labor’, which they termed ‘free labor’) in Bleeding Kansas. He described New York City as being more like London than any other city in the United States.

    He also wrote of his observations regarding the dealings with the various Indian tribes of the mid-West, which he was okay with.

    Treaties would be made by the US with an Indian tribe, with it already being known in advance by the US government that it would shortly break it’s end of the treaty, and the Indian tribe would be forced further West. There, in not so many years, the whole process would be repeated.

    Meanwhile, ‘settlers’ would move in an occupy the newly ‘opened up’ land. As the writer described it, this would involve surveying, land patents, and titles being issued. It was all very methodical, sophisticated in it’s way, and Capitalist.

    While it’s readily understood this wasn’t good for the Indians, rightly so, this also wasn’t (ultimately) good for the largely Anglo-Saxons involved, particularly the treaty makers. Giving their solemn word to another (knowing in advance this word is to soon be broken) could not of been good for their souls.

    • Replies: @Miro23
  92. gay troll says:

    I take exception to your comments about the resilience of Judaism, lasting 3000 years. It may be that the Bible switches from fantasy to history by the time it accounts for the kings of Judah, but in the light of Solomon’s kingdom being fictional, the kings of Judah have a high hurdle to clear. The earliest evidence we have for the existence of Judaism is the Septuagint, a Greek “translation” of the Jewish scriptures from ~250 BCE. When one considers the mythical origin story of the Septuagint (said to be translated identically by 70 scholars locked in 70 different rooms) one is again cautioned against historicization. Even if a Hebrew nation and a Hebrew language existed at the time, the Septuagint may have been created from scratch by Alexandrian scholars. So I would place the origin of Judaism between 600 and 250 BCE. Meanwhile, the Jews were effectively destroyed by Titus in 70 CE, or 135 CE at the latest, when the Romans achieved their final victory. The only reason Judaism still exists today is because Rome claimed the Jewish scriptures for itself. Christianity styled itself as a new Judaism, and only the appropriation of Judaism has kept it relevant to the world. Worse, the hypocrisy of Jesus Christ guarantees that for as long as their are Christians, there will be Jewish resistance to Christianity.

    So I would state the proper resilience of Judaism lasting 400-700 years. With the caveat that, like Christianity, it may actually be the brainchild of Alexandria.

  93. Saggy says:

    Let’s see how many times Atzmon played the holohoax card in this article ….

    In theory, at least, the fear of a ‘global pogrom’ or ‘universal holocaust’ is supposed to unite us.

    However new to us is the attempt to keep us under the threat of a constant ‘universal holocaust,’ such a threat isn’t new to everybody.

    Given that the word ‘holocaust’ means – “The Holocaust was the state-sponsored mass murder of some 6 million European Jews and millions of others by the German Nazis during WW II”, the use of the word in a sentence, without quotation marks around it, indicates that the writer is using the common meaning of the word and accepting it as accurate.

    Thus use of the word ‘holocaust’ when referring to the holohoax explicitly promotes the hoax.

    • Replies: @The sad truth
  94. S says:
    @Larchmonter420

    We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality.

    I’m suspicious that Rove may know (or have known if he’s not still with us) about the New Rome. [See link below]

    https://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/the_new_rome_or_the_united_states_of_the_world_1853

  95. DaveE says:
    @Sollipsist

    You may be onto something, here, but I’m going with the diaper as a better analogy in the apparel world.

    Maybe Shlomo thinks we won’t be able to “talk shit” about him if we’re forced to humiliate ourselves constantly – and “eat our own shit”- if we submit and subjugate ourselves to his face diaper.

  96. Anon[413] • Disclaimer says:

    Even unobservant Jews continue to identify as Jews, because Judaism is not the real religion of the Jews, never was. The real God of the Jews is money. Jews worship money, and uses it to buy themselves power. But money alone is not enough, there must be something else to keep them together. That other most powerful emotion before/after greed is fear.

    Powerful Jews like the Rothschild family gain their wealth and influence through a network of other Jews. They know early on that the best way to grow rich and powerful is for them to stick together as a tribe. Fear of another Holocaust was beaten into Jewish kids since a young age to keep them loyal to the clan. As they get older they are encouraged to continue that allegiance through organizations like the campus Hillel, which is a great networking ground to get them jobs, startup funding etc. Once they get jobs they are encouraged to stick together for promotions and access to money through Wall Street.

    Fear and Greed unite the Jews. The former is used to justify the latter. Jews have always been the End Justifies Means people.

    The problem of the West begins and ends with the Jews. This menacing tribe has caused most of the wars throughout history, and they are working hard to bring us WWIII. With every war comes profits, for the Jews.

    • Agree: Druid55
  97. Miro23 says:
    @S

    Treaties would be made by the US with an Indian tribe, with it already being known in advance by the US government that it would shortly break it’s end of the treaty, and the Indian tribe would be forced further West. There, in not so many years, the whole process would be repeated.

    It was Might = Right. And it’s still the US system. Europe’s WW2 Jewish refugees settled in America. They formed an activist race network aimed at capturing power and displacing Anglos and it’s working well.
    Anglo power in the US (Congress, media, finance, academia etc.) has been largely rolled back, and the end game is probably Anglos living in designated controlled areas rather like Gaza – if not worse.

    • Replies: @S
  98. Mr Jew says:

    Since CNN (run by Tribe member Jeff Zucker) is alleging that Trump called vets “losers and suckers” We’re all “losers and suckers” Jeff, every one of us, and you people are the winners by your own admission, and in your own words. “The war in Iraq was conceived by 25 neoconservative intellectuals, most of them Jewish, who are pushing President Bush to change the course of history.” …https://www.haaretz.com/1.4764706

    • Replies: @Mr Jew
  99. @Wizard of Oz

    Hello Wizard,,, I am really not entering questions re the effectivity of the face mask.I instead analyse its meaning in terms of symbolism…

  100. Anon[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @animalogic

    “Nature wants… ” Really? “Nature” the entity, the entity that wills & “wants” ?

    Yes, in the minds of the adherents to The Religion of Scientism, these assholes tend to anthropomorphize the abstract of Nature into a single being – a vicious bitch, oddly enough.

    I think they named her, Gaia.

    I’m merely attempting to communicate to the fucktards in their own language.

    • Replies: @animalogic
  101. @Wizard of Oz

    However, common sense says that wearing any face covering mask protects other people from many
    infectious droplets or aerosols one’s exhalation,especially coughs and sneezes, might otherwise inflict on them.

    Common sense?

    Does normal exhalation produce droplets over a 6 foot radius? And if so, does that droplet cloud move with its producer, or does it linger in the air so that the next person to walk into that aerosphere walks into the lingering cloud of plague-laden exhaled droplets?

    As for sneezing or coughing in a mask — think about that for a minute.
    Yuck.

    Used to be when someone sneezed, he covered his mouth or, optimally, used a tissue or handkerchief to capture and wipe away any mucous that may have accompanied the sneeze or cough; the tissue or hanky was quickly disposed of, not retained on the face.

    One reason the comparison of masks to diapers fails is that diapers are changed as quickly as possible after they are wet or soiled. The youngest of human creatures is equipped with a signaling device to bring about this swift change.
    Not so with masks.

    Science is all the rage these days, WizoOz; why not inform yourself and the Unz Forum with a scientific study of the effectiveness of masks, rather than megaphoning the propaganda line?

    • Disagree: Biff
  102. Covid19 is the greastest lie, hoax, scam and psyop in the world and is driven by the zionist kabal to bring UN Agenda 2030 , a satanic, draconian, demonic, zionist one world government.

    To see the zionist game plan, read The Protocols of Zion.

    • Replies: @Druid55
  103. @Anon

    Rather as I wonder how so many intelligent successful people believe in an Abrahamic God I am intrigued by smart atheists identifying as Jews. You prompt me to give my tentative answer. One clue is in Einstein’s saying they were his tribe. I suspect that it has a lot to do with the pleasure of being able to say one is related to people who are successful. It would be interesting to ex a mine the trends over time. Before there were a lot of great post Enlightenment Jews to identify with both Disraeli and Marx were baptised Christians. When, I would be ibterested to know, did it become safe and true to boast of being of the same tribe as notably outstanding people? The Jewish population grew rapidly in the late 18th century and onwards. Was there a boost in birth rates and reduction in mortality? How much of the increase was just the result of it being OK, even prestigious, to be a Jew?

    • Replies: @Robjil
  104. Mr Jew says:
    @Mr Jew

    I just want to reiterate what I’m saying to everybody: If they’re going to to use their media platform to rub shit in our faces because they hate Donald Trump, then everybody repost that quote about the 25 Neocons everywhere on social media! You can use the word J for Jewish. And post the link to the article.

  105. @Seraphim

    Fear of God is the greatest gift to the unregenerate mind.

  106. @Gilad Atzmon

    Yes, much more food for the intellect and imagination but a lot more complicated and contestable too.

    • Replies: @Gilad Atzmon
  107. @SolontoCroesus

    You do seem to take some pride and pleasure in resisting the common sense of the common herd but in the time it took you to write your partly irrelevant (ñotably on diapers) comment you could easily have searched, found and read
    https://www.healthline.com/health-news/the-simple-science-behind-why-masks-work#Why-face-masks-work

    I think that can fairly be said to have altered the burden of proof for lay jurors reading your opinion on UR – if not already persuaded that Japanese mask wearing is better protection from droplets than sneezing into one’s clothing.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  108. @Larchmonter420

    PBUY, prophet (I tried to copy and paste in Arabic from Google but unz.com would not let me)!

  109. Anonymous[293] • Disclaimer says:

    After reading the above I have two thoughts.

    Just how much I despise these Covid 19 madmen. I am thoroughly horrified by the thought that this irrationality will survive. I don’t wish to live in a world of crazies eager to knife anyone who won’t adhere to their beliefs.

    Secondly, the argument from Oswald Spengler that the age of Modernity is the age of Fear. Fear of war, fear of disease, fear of technology, fear of Fear. You name it. The end of an age of Modernity which is a technical term for Spengler is an end to Fear. This is because the populations of civilization are so brutalized by the convulsions at the end of Modernity that they realize they must shut up and deal with their reality.

    People cease to be Modern when they lose their Fear. Since Modernity is drawing to a close, perhaps by the 2060’s, we should see the reasons and motives for Fear to greatly intensify and the hysteria to go asymptotic, burning out those susceptible to terror. I hope the Covid 19 crazies are thoroughly burned but, sadly, by the end their may be many more types of crazy around. So many that Covid 19 may have little remaining import.

    Unfortunately, this will not be a good time for unbelievers.

  110. Sparrow says:
    @anon

    …One Road, one narrow Path, one Key, one eye of a needle, one Door, one Kingdom, one Heaven

    …one Lord, one God, one Tree of Life

    🙂

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  111. Liza says:
    @Julian of Norwich

    But influenza, of whatever variety including Corona 19, is not a disease. It’s an infection. The worse your chronic condition, the worse the infection. Anyone who’s halfways healthy will either not “catch” the flu at all, or will recover without hospitalization.

    Yes, if you become infected with a very bad case of the flu and die, it was your time. You would have “caught” something else if not the flu. Maybe pneumonia, maybe flesh-eating disease, maybe the plague. But actually you didn’t catch it, it caught you, because the world has had enough of you.

    “Germs” are our friends. They make us aware of how sick or well we are. This infection called the flu is giving you a warning to clean up your act.

  112. Anon[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @Julian of Norwich

    The conclusion that follows from your argument would appear to be that we should cease any and all medical and public health interventions because they impede the process of natural selection.

    That is not the conclusion of my argument. The adherents to The Religion of Scientism, oddly enough, tend to anthropomorphize the collective of Nature into a single being named, Gaia. That being the case, it’s more effective to speak to these narcissists in their own language.

    For the first time in history, to my knowledge, ‘The Science’ has come to the conclusion that quarantining the healthy is indicated under the most paper thin arguments and models that have proven themselves to be wrong. By extension, the ability of billions to provide food, clothing, and shelter has been crippled.

    At what point did it become ‘Science’ to utterly destroy the lives of the healthy, or those healthy enough to successfully fight infection, to protect those who either genetics, god, or bad luck deemed that it’s time to go?

    But this is to ignore the fact that natural selection applies to the trait of intelligence, just as it does to traits like immunity to disease, and that increased intelligence also confers enhanced survivability.

    The older I get, the less impressed I become with ‘intelligent’ people. Most truly intelligent I have known seem to have a fatal flaw built into their physical body, and they never would have survived childhood in what passed for 99% of the human condition throughout history and prehistory. It’s as if the wisdom of nature wanted them dead, and she’ll have her way eventually. I think they know this, hence, the mad frantic dash for transhumanism.

    Hence, the development of Western civilisation, such as it is, has entailed a sustained and increasingly successful effort to use that intelligence to mitigate the effects of naturally occuring threats such as malnutrition and disease. That’s why there are more of us around now than there used to be.

    It’s all built on a foundation of sand. Look at what passes for the ‘ancient’ wisdom of Judiasm as elicited in this article. It’s nothing more than inculcated mental illness for the purposes of control and social engineering by the few, a disease vector that has infected the world under a variety of guises and names, and has crippled everything this species might have been.

    But, if not Judaism, it would have been something else. In fact, Judaism hasn’t a single original thought to claim its own, so the end was baked in the cake long before.

  113. T. Weed says:
    @Tsar Nicholas

    “rightful authority”. Aye, there’s the rub.

  114. @Anon

    I have been arguing for many years that the Jewish true god is ‘The Jew’…

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  115. Robjil says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    It is Poland that created the situation for the rapid growth of the Askenazis.

    https://www.encyclopedia.com/environment/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/judaism-judaism-northern-and-eastern-europe-1500-0

    The Polish Kingdom Jews had a lot of autonomy.

    A highly ramified system of Polish-Jewish autonomy with a centralized consultative council was created as Jews settled in Poland in large numbers. It was the product of several factors, including the Jewish community’s wide geographic dispersion, the example of Jewish communal institutions in Bohemia and Moravia, pressures from the crown for a centralized Jewish leadership, and the diminishing power of the king, which motivated many sectors of Polish society to claim a measure of self-government.

    The Jews had their municipal councils in Polish cities. The Poles had similar councils in these cities.

    On the bottom tier of Jewry’s system were the qehalim, or Jewish communal councils, which functioned alongside and were structured similar to the municipal councils of Polish cities. Above them were the district councils composed of representatives from the qehalim.

    The Polish nobles and the Jews worked closely together. The wealth created by this, led to the rapid growth of Jews in Polish ruled lands.

    The pacta conventa of 1573, which confirmed the gentry’s accumulation of considerable power at the expense of the crown, cemented close relations between the upper szlachta (“the magnates”) and the Jews. The magnates frequently favored Jews as their commercial agents and lessees. Commerce, artisanry, and, in the southeastern regions, leaseholding (often tied to trade in agricultural goods) became the most common Jewish occupations.

    Polish noble and Jews worked together in the colonization of Ukraine. Today US Zion ruled Ukraine has a Jewish President, back to the past again for Ukraine.

    Jewish participation in the Polish nobility’s colonization of the Ukraine involved Jews in a system of pledges where Jewish lenders received a part of the income from estates pending the repayment of loans. What evolved was a more direct system of leaseholding, called the arenda, in which Jews leased agricultural properties from the nobility, generally for a period of three years, at a designated price. Profits would be extracted from taxes and fees on the local peasantry. The acquisition of a lease frequently constituted the beginning of a new Jewish community, since lessees would encourage other Jews to settle with them to run inns, flour mills, and so forth.

    Polish history is not well known. It is a very unique history. Something we deal with everyday with big 6 religion. Why were there so many Jews in Eastern Europe to make the big 6 deal look real? What were the reasons for it? The Polish Kings and nobles made it possible.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  116. Samon says:

    0. Horror is at the very base of human history. The more aware of its own existence (being out of the world), the more horrified the early individual. To regain unity with the horribly strange surrounding, stone agers committed horrors themselves. Check Stockholm syndrome.
    1. Most horrendous and thus most effective: kill other human beings, especially your own kid. Check The Bible. This explains human sacrifices and the everlasting importance of rituals. Victims were then attributed to a higher power, God(s). Humans as victims were by and by substituted, lastly by money.
    2. Jews understood first that God was invented to cover up human-made horrors. Being ripped of any God, they totally focused on becoming the others’ god-like masters. Check zion protocols. They use dialectics, fear and money to gain total control.
    3. Vaccine is gonna be of the mRNA-type. That means: genetic manipulation of humans, already researched and tested on animals.
    4. End goal of mass genetic experiments is immortality – become God. Check Yuval Harari, 2011: Short history of mankind (see the double meaning of title), and e.g. Larry Page’s new goal. Pandemic and vaccination is only reasonable cover-up in ‘democracies’.
    5. Immortality will be monopolized. Work and you can live a little longer. Watch “The timekeeper”.

    Questions:
    1. Who is gonna arrive first?
    2. Who is coworking on it?
    3. Is the conflict between East and West completely made up?

  117. @Robjil

    Yes, but it doesn’t directly explain why feeling tribally Jewish may have explained adherence to Judaism after the Enlightenment in Western Europe. It does though support the idea that adhering to the Jewish tribe (neither peasant nor noble) became a productive habit in Poland and was always at the back of many Jewish minds.

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  118. @Gilad Atzmon

    I instead analyze its meaning in terms of symbolism . .

    I get what you’re saying, but I also stop my car when I come to a stop sign. So where do you draw the line? This is the real problem, isn’t it?

  119. @Svevlad

    Jerusalem is fanaticism. Athens is balance and rationality.

    The most important lesson Athens can teach Jerusalem is restraint and to avoid hubris. But is is it even possible for Jerusalem to learn that lesson?

    When you’re the chosen people (*snorfle*), what of ultimate truths have lesser people’s to teach you? Instead, you remember everything but learn nothing, and so that overweening arrogance guarantees you’ll repeatedly dash upon the rocks, just as you’ve already done countless times before.

  120. @Svevlad

    Jerusalem is fanaticism. Athens is balance and rationality.

    The most important lesson Athens can teach Jerusalem is restraint and to avoid hubris. But is is it even possible for Jerusalem to learn that lesson?

    When you’re the chosen people (*snorfle*), what of ultimate truths have lesser people’s to teach you? Instead, you remember everything but learn nothing, and so that overweening arrogance guarantees you’ll repeatedly dash upon the rocks, just as you’ve already done countless times before.

  121. To be a moralist, one has to be consistent and apply the rules to all sides.

    To be a realist, one has to be honest and admit the complexities of the world.

    But under globalism, moral rules don’t apply to Jewish Power.
    And realism overlooks the gangster nature of Jewish-Zionist power that undermines America’s realist stake in the world.

    The result is sham moralism and sham realism.

  122. Norman Finkelstein On UAE Israel Normalization, ICC, Gaza And Much More

    • Thanks: Talha
  123. Notsofast says:
    @Colin Wright

    They wont allow (a) to happen, they will nuke iran and then the shit will hit the fan. They would rather have wwlll than be humiliated. That may be their desire all along (if these people are as evil as they appear to be).

  124. Robjil says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    The power of the purse is the reason. The Top Jews, like Rothschilds, had control of the world’s money system, thus the Enlightenment was a trifle compared to that. Thus, little Jews followed along like they did to the Rabbis in the past. World control is a better deal than any Enlightenment. If one follows demands, mitzvahs, and not ethics, as Judaism does. This works.

    Rothschilds helped to build the nation of Israel.

    https://www.thejc.com/news/features/a-family-that-helped-build-a-new-nation-1.448063

    It is a particular honour for my family that the letter containing the Balfour Declaration was addressed to my great Uncle Walter, the second Lord Rothschild.The decision to address the Declaration to him was seen as surprising by some. For example, Nahum Sokolow remarked that the main reason for it being sent to Walter, rather than the Zionist Committee, was that the Zionists “had no address while Walter had a very fine one at 148 Piccadilly”. The historian Cecil Roth described it as “incongruous”. But Walter had been deeply involved in the Zionist movement. He had been introduced to Chaim Weizmann and the cause through his formidable Hungarian sister-in-law Rozika, a convinced Zionist, who had married his younger brother Charles.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  125. @Anon

    This has been my attitude and philosophy all along from the beginning. Very well said and explained.

  126. anon[191] • Disclaimer says:
    @follyofwar

    Circumcision is good, it prevents masturbation and eventual blindness. If boys spent less time masturbating, the extra time could be devoted to the study of the Talmud. Let the goyim לְאוֹנֵן until their פִּין fall off, it’ll give them less time to figure out what we’re up to.

    • LOL: follyofwar
  127. @Robjil

    The E.nlightenment was important as a precondition for emancipation and full citizenship of Jews in the West.

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  128. @Julian of Norwich

    ‘…Hence, the development of Western civilisation, such as it is, has entailed a sustained and increasingly successful effort to use that intelligence to mitigate the effects of naturally occuring threats such as malnutrition and disease. That’s why there are more of us around now than there used to be.’

    Where this fails is that the mitigation doesn’t result in selection for intelligence. We diligently feed and provide health care to the stupid as well as the bright.

  129. @Wizard of Oz

    1.

    Khan Academy offers practice exercises, instructional videos, and a personalized learning dashboard that empower learners to study at their own pace in and outside of the classroom. We tackle math, science, computing, history, art history, economics, and more, including K-14 and test preparation (SAT, Praxis, LSAT) content.

    https://www.khanacademy.org/about

    2. Khan Academy on The Scientific Method (geared to high school level learners)

    https://www.khanacademy.org/science/high-school-biology/hs-biology-foundations/hs-biology-and-the-scientific-method/v/the-scientific-method

    a. “it’s actually almost a common-sense way of looking at the world . . .”

    b. “the steps of the scientific method:

    b1. make observation

    b2. try to come up with a reason for that observation happening — ask a question

    b3. make a prediction, a possible explanation — the explanation must be testable; it is called a hypothesis:

    “this is one of the core pillars of the scientific method, and this testable explanation is called
    your hypothesis.”

    b4. design an experiment to test the prediction

    “there are all sorts of reasons why an observed phenomenon might occur, so it’s critical to control variables.”

    b5. Iterate the experiment: the experiment has to be reproducible,

    b6. in order for that to occur, results of an experiment must be published:

    “One of the most important features of the scientific method is its repeatability. The experiments performed to prove a working hypothesis must clearly record all details so that others may replicate them and eventually allow the hypothesis to become widely accepted. Objectivity must be used in experiments to reduce bias. “Bias” refers to the inclination to favor one perspective over others. The opposite of bias is “neutrality,” and all experiments (and their peer review) need to be devoid of bias and be neutral. In medicine, bias is also a part of conflict of interest and produces corrupt results. In medicine, conflict of interest is often due to relationships with the pharmaceutical/device industries. ” http://www.ajnr.org/content/34/9/1669

    In attempting to apply Khan Academy’s steps for the Scientific Method to the Healthline article you linked, Wiz., well, I couldn’t do it: Healthline made one assertion after the other, but offered no testable hypothesis; no data to support conclusions; no discussion of how variables were controlled in a way to eliminate all other reasons why a claimed result might have occurred.

    Two examples given, the medical staffs in Boston and the hair salon practitioners, do not dispositively demonstrate that it was masks that brought about the claimed reduction in “cases” or “positive tests.”

    In other words, Khan Academy’s Scientific Method is Athenian; it’s based on a logos– a logical assessment of observations and evidence; the Healthline article is based on assertions, proclamations, Revelations, and demands that “the experts” be — called “scientists,” but the terms priests, or gurus, or even charlatans might equally serve — be believed and obeyed.

    You have not supported your claims, WizoOz; rather, you have reaffirmed Gilad’s argument.

    PS the thing about Jerusalemite, Revelation-based experts is, anyone can pull an opinion or an interpretation out of the air.
    Witness:

    • Agree: JasonT
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @Tim too
    , @karel
  130. Robjil says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    The full citizenship for Jews did not work out so good for the rest of humanity.

    It freed Judaism to use mitzvahs as weapons against all of humanity. No real Enlightenment happened within Judaism. It was not necessary since Top Jews were at the Top of the heap of humanity with their control of the money system.

    The Jewish century, as Yuri Slezkine calls it, since 12.23.1913 has been a nightmare for humanity. We are in the second century of it since 9.11.2001.

    Rothschilds were all over western Europe before that 12.23.1913 but it was not full spectrum dominance of Jewish power of most of the world until the FED was in place in the US on that day in 1913.

    Gilad has it right. Fear is the main control mechanism of Jewish power. Fear is not an Enlightenment idea. It is a mitzvah like type of thinking. Thus, Top Jews took full emancipation and kicked any Enlightenment ideas to the side as they entered the Top Levels of power in the west.

    • Replies: @S
  131. Larry says:

    The usual provincial conspiracy talk.

    Would you ever realize the world is much larger than the West.

  132. R.C. says:
    @bj0311

    Amen, fellow SOTTite.
    I find self wondering about the #s in your name. After all, you weren’t born 3/1/01.
    R.C.

  133. S says:
    @Miro23

    It was Might = Right. And it’s still the US system.

    There were people, future President Ulysses Grant among them, who didn’t approve of the Mexican American War, seeing it as a naked land grab. It’s unfortunate people who thought that way couldn’t of somehow seceded from the US, and with their territory, go a different route.

  134. Dumbo says:

    One thing I always found strange is that Jews have to cover their head in their sacred places while Christians have to uncover themselves. I wonder if it’s good manners among Jews to eat with your hat or your kippah on? :/

    I think all religions are sort of about the apocalypse, but I think that some more than others.

    Pascal said once that Jews are always waiting their Messiah in vain, while Christians have their redeemer who already came, and that’s the main difference.

  135. anaccount says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    So I have to gag myself for the rest of my life because you might get the sniffles? I bet you are okay with the mass layoffs and riots too.

    Mask people have my permission to die.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  136. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:

    Pascal said once that Jews are always waiting their Messiah in vain, while Christians have their redeemer who already came, and that’s the main difference.

    Differences bit deeper, wider, infinite.

    Love vs hate;
    Mercy vs vengeance;
    Justice vs injustice;
    Equality vs inequality;
    Truth vs lie;
    Life vs zilch;
    God vs Satan.

    • Agree: PolarBear
  137. S says:
    @Robjil

    Fear is the main control mechanism of Jewish power.

    Fear and terrorization make for an effective (though very unhealthy, it’s soul destroying) means of social control for a people. The terrorization can in turn be weaponized as declared enemies can be demonized by being accused of causing the fear.

    Towards the end of the US Civil War (ie 1864-65) when the Union (US) troops were getting tired of the war and flagging a bit in their zeal, the troops were warned about the terrible conditions of the Southern camps awaiting them if captured, with fraudulent accusations and terms such as ‘cattle cars’, deliberate ‘murder’, ‘poisonous injections’ being administered, and leather wallets being made from the human skin of the Union prisoners.

    [MORE]

    The message to the troops was clear, ie ‘you’d better fight hard, very hard, and not even think of surrendering, lest you
    too should wind up in one of those places.’ The powerful secondary effect was the demonization of the declared enemy, the Southern Confederacy.

    In October, 1870, The Atlantic Monthly (now simply The Atlantic) specifically referenced this when the South’s large Andersonville POW camp (located in Georgia) was brought up in an article entitled ‘Our Israelitish Brethren’.

    In more modern English, the title would translate as ‘Our Jewish Brothers’.

    Of the giant wrongs to which they [the Jewish people] have been subjected for the last ten centuries,—the huge Andersonville outrages,—few readers need to be reminded.

    The Atlantic Monthly (Oct. 1870) – ‘Our Israelitish Brethren’

    ‘How abundant, how untiring, should be our charity in judging the faults of character which our own superstition has created or developed!’

    ‘Of the giant wrongs to which they have been subjected for the last ten centuries,—the huge Andersonville outrages,—few readers need to be reminded. In the slaughter of the Jews of Seville, in 1391, thirty-five hundred families were murdered. In 1492, under Ferdinand and Isabella, three hundred thousand heroic Israelites preferred exile to apostasy. ‘

    ‘Many of them found a resting-place only in the grave or in the depths of the sea; for neither Portugal nor Italy nor Mohammedan Morocco would tolerate the presence of a people who would not comply with their superstitions, and who, by their frugality, continence, temperance, and industry, absorbed the wealth of every country in which they lived.’

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1870/10/our-israelitish-brethren/306257/

  138. @nosquat loquat

    What’s interesting about this is that, just a couple of decades ago, some time before 9/11/01, the kneejerk response of the mainstream to those who questioned official narratives (now known as “conspiracy theorists”) was to call them “left-wing kooks.”

    Then the assignment of anathema shifted, and suddenly the questioners are “rightwing”. The question is why. I think the paradigm you present is the start of an explanation.

    I’ve thought about this question as well. Having been somewhat active in anti-war activities following the 2001 Big Event, I can say that we on the left were still being smeared during the W years. In fact, a recent addition to the UR columnist list was quite fond of the term Moon Bat to describe people like yours truly. She now takes a stand against such activity. How convenient.

    So, what is going on? It’s a bit complicated, because there are a variety of factors at play including:

    1) The rapid transformation and integration of the global economy, the decline of unionization, etc. that worked together to undermine the Old Left that focused on labor issues and anti-war activities.

    2) What was left of the Left was race and gender issues and these became the be all end all because they require little intellectual effort, and are not just allowed but loved by the ruling elite because they are divisive and pose zero threat to its interests.

    3) While the Old Labor Left lost completely, Liberalism and Neo-conservatism, won on the cultural front and on the foreign policy front, respectively.

    4) This victory was total, in that virtually all opposing perspectives from both the Left and Right were marginalized.

    5) But the victories were more due to power and had little to do with winning the arguments on intellectual grounds.

    Now, I think it might help to think not in terms of Left vs Right here, but in terms of Mainstream versus Iconoclastic and consider the types of people who are inclined to fall into one camp or the other, Sleep Walkers and Thinkers.

    Think about the Left of the 1960s? Yes, I know it was called New Left and not Old, but for my purposes I am going to include it in a broader Old Left as opposed to the totally shallow New New Left that votes enthusiastically for a war-mongering corporatist like Clinton.

    The 1960s were still a period in which the typical person was culturally conservative and in which the zeitgeist was Cold War anti-communism. The type of person who manages to question and oppose the status quo, whether correct or incorrect in their opposition, is a person with some capacity for independent thinking. They have managed to ask why women should spend all their lives baking cookies like their mothers and grandmothers; they have managed to ask why Blacks don’t have the same rights as whites; they have managed to look at the VC in Indochina and say maybe they are not evil commies and just want some land reform. Again, the point is not that these positions were necessarily right, but that the people thinking them had managed to step outside of the dominant framework and thus had some intellectual abilities.

    On the other side were the people who took the existing society as granted and supported it. Their support was not rooted in intellectual rigor, but was more or less thoughtless. The status quo is right because it is.

    What has happened, is that, while the Left lost on war and class, it won on culture. Totally. It took over the culture producing institutions to the point where it is anathema to question industrial scale abortion and children being given gender transforming hormones. The majority of people are still Sleep Walkers like they were before. But they are now Liberals because the status quo is Liberal, but they would be conservative otherwise. They simply go along with whatever is in power because putting together a coherent case against the status quo is often hard, both intellectually and emotionally. Similarly, they are now largely indifferent to war or pro-war because without a draft hanging over their heads it is easy.

    On the other hand, those questioning the current status quo, even if they are on the (Alt)-Right, demonstrate by doing so that they have the intellectual capabilities that the Leftists of yesterday had. In short, when the zeitgeist is conservative (liberal), the Sleep Walkers will be conservative (liberal) and the Thinkers will be Left (Right). At the same time, the Thinking Opposition has thought out why it opposes, while the mainstream doesn’t really know why it is mainstream. It is mainstream because it doesn’t think. The result is that the mainstream can’t really contend with the thinkers on logical and factual terms and must point, sputter and name call.

    As they said about 9/11, it divided the world into a Before and After. Moreover, the years of the Dubya administration were, in my view, the last hurrah of the Thinking Left. I was in college in the W years and was raised in a Thinking Left household and so identified. For some perspective, I remember sitting at the dinner table with my folks the evening of 9/11/01 when my dad asked: do you think the government could have done this? My response was: it’s possible, but let’s not go there yet. In the intervening years I thought about it, and have answered the question for myself. And once you go down that path you start questioning everything to the point you become a Half-Witted Moon Bat Conspiracy Nut who wants to phobically deny little Jimmy his estrogen, hatefully deny Syria bombs of Love and deniably turn exactly 6,000,000.00 of God’s Chosen into soap and lampshades. 🙂

    • Replies: @nosquat loquat
  139. Why did Judaism survive for three millennia? Because Jews are the ultimate survivors. They’re always complaining of discrimination and attacks, and they’re always more than willing to batten on to a protector – from Kazimir the Great of Poland to the Ottoman Empire to the Imperialist States of Amerikastan today – which is willing to protect them even at the cost of its own interests. As soon as that protector becomes weak, they look for a new protector, even – or especially – the enemy of the old. Therefore as the Ottoman Empire, which had given the Jews of Spain a home, declined in the late 19th century, the zionist project at once switched to demanding a Judenstaat to be carved out of the same Ottoman Empire. And when the British did so, it only took till they were weakened by WWII in the early 1940s before the zionists turned on them. Today’s zionist entity can see clearly that the Amerikastani Empire is doomed, and is busy looking to batten on to Russia and China as the next “protector”. How can such an opportunistic people not survive?

    Also, there’s a very simple reason a lot of us wear masks. It’s because not wearing one attracts heavy fines these days. It requires no adherence to any belief in the Covfefevirus whatsoever.

  140. Seraphim says:
    @Sparrow

    “One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all”.
    But there are two keys to the Kingdom of Heaven. One will open the door of the kingdom to those who respond in faith to the ‘euanghelion of the Kingdom of Heaven’ -the Good News that the Kingdom is at hand, while at the same time keeping it shut from those who do not. This is the power given to the Apostles: “whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven”.

  141. @Wizard of Oz

    Curiously your comment is all about how facemasks are supposed to “protect other people” and is quiet about whether they’ll protect yourself. This, given that it’s obviously yourself you’re so worried about, is striking. You somehow manage to evade the question whether wearing one will make YOU safe and instead ramble on about how decent and all goody-goody it makes you feel to see all the nice, classier sort of people being good neighbors to you by muzzling themselves.

    If you want to wear a mask, wear a damn mask. Nobody owes you a double wad of protection. In MY nice park almost NOBODY wears a mask outdoors and I’ll appreciate keeping it that way. Screw your self-serving “decency” and may the middle-class youth quickly learn to shun it, and you. Me, I’m cruising for girls walking their dogs and I sure as hell am not going to tolerate covid condoms on my lark.

    • Replies: @DaveE
    , @Wizard of Oz
  142. @SolontoCroesus

    Used to be when someone sneezed, he covered his mouth or, optimally, used a tissue or handkerchief…

    That is so irresponsible. Responsible people like me wear masks 24/7. I am also a good citizen when it comes to reducing the spread of STDs by wearing a condom all the time.

  143. TRM says:
    @Tsar Nicholas

    That first one is in short supply so we’ll get straight to the verify part.

  144. Anon[264] • Disclaimer says:

    Where in the world is fat fucking Fran?

    Surely her ‘creative intellect’ should have blessed this article by now.

  145. I’m making hot dogs…… anyone want one…
    Beer is cold.

    • Replies: @trickster
  146. DaveE says:
    @Lucius Somesuch

    Me, I’m cruising for girls walking their dogs and I sure as hell am not going to tolerate covid condoms on my lark.

    Me, I don’t own a facemask (and never will) and my cruising for girls has led me to some of the most amazing encounters w women who appreciate a MAN who has the guts to tell Shlomo to go eff himself.

    The only way to be respected in this world is to have enough courage to take on the dirty, lying scum who depend on goyim cowardice to “get off” these days.

    (BTW my dogs tell me who the worthy chicks are – and THEIR dogs love me, too. AMAZING how much smarter they are!)

  147. Loup-Bouc says:

    [Preface: I am neither an ethnic Jew nor a follower of any form of Jewish religion. I contemn Jahweh, an evil “God.” I contemn Jahweh’s religion, which is evil. I am an atheist who contemns ALL religion. I contemn Israel and Zionism, which are evil. The Tanakh (a.k.a. Hebrew Bible) teaches that Jews are Yahweh’s “Chosen People” whom Yahweh authorizes, even commands, to conquer and slaughter or to subjugate and use all other peoples. But I am NOT an anti-Semite; for, the matter is a person’s actual acts, not a person’s ethnicity or even a person’s religion. End of Preface.]

    Fascinating: You — a Jew who loathes himself for his Jewish descent and writes anti-Semitic tracts — YOU bend your knee to political correctness THUS.

    Blessed is the one who always trembles before God, but whoever hardens their heart falls into trouble.” (Proverbs 28:14)

    Your language, Mr. Atzmon, my emphasis.

    The terms “their heart” constitute a phrase that suffers number-disagreement. The term “their” is plural,” but the term “heart” is singular.

    Your error’s obvious explanation is that you have genuflected to the logic-destroying/language-debasing feminist/political-correctness demand that one not use the male third person singular pronoun (“he,” “his,” “him”) when one’s reference is not a previously-identified male — the feminist/political-correctness demand that one must eschew the pre-feminism (and logical) norm, e.g., “A person must not claim more than his entitlement.”

    Compare, e.g., “post person” rather than “postman” (which denotes a professional role, not a sex). Then consider calling the famous, much-critically acclaimed Tay-Garnett-directed 1946 film noir NOT “The Postman Always Rings Twice” (the film’s actual title), but the horrendously anti-poetic, clumsy-bumpy, hideously ugly “The Post Person Always Rings Twice.”

    Compare seeing a road-work traffic-warning sign “flagger ahead,” rather than “flagman ahead.” The politically correct sign’s literal meaning is “ahead is someone flagging,” which means ahead is someone becoming smaller or weaker or dwindling or failing to do her job or, “in the vernacular,” lying down on the job, as if “her work-diligence is flagging” (meaning “her work-diligence is dwindling, lessening, or weakening”).]

    The Book of Proverbs dates back to about 700 BCE, when no Jew would have followed the American feminist/political-correctness ungrammatical rule or even entertained considering destroying grammar-logic to avoid offending equal-protection-demanding women, who were non-existent in 700 BCE, or even at the time Jesus was, allegedly, crucified. Likewise ancient Romans, Teutons, Britons, Gauls…….

    If one wishes, one can avoid offending radical feminists and political-correctness-tyrants by using structures like this: “Blessed is the one who always trembles before God, but if one hardens one’s heart, one falls into trouble.” Just so, one can placate feminism and political-correctness-tyrants by writing “One must not claim more than one’s entitlement, “instead of “A person must not claim more than his entitlement” [see above].

    Still, your other terms destroy the poetry and language-elegance of the Book of Proverbs: The phrase “falls into trouble” bears the sense and music of a fart, as does the phrase “always trembles before God,” which suffers also the “trouble” that it (the phrase) is redundant, since, if not modified, the verb “trembles” means “trembles always,” in the language “trembles before God” (which is NOT “trembles sometimes before God”).

    But you are consistent. Just as your Book of Proverbs (mis)quote manifests your stupidly genuflecting to feminism/political-correctness and its grammar-ignorance, grammar-illogic, and absence of sense and poetic taste, all your articles are linguistic and intellectual dross, quite as your blithering, blathering jazz is not MUSIC.

    • Troll: Kali
    • Replies: @Mario Partisan
    , @geokat62
  148. Druid55 says:
    @Desert Fox

    Along with 911, the inside job!

  149. vot tak says:

    “The wearing of the facemask makes clear that ‘blessed you are trembled before Corona.’”

    Actually, no. I’ll put on a mask when entering a store or public building because they have notices posted saying they require it. IE: for the same reason I wear a shirt or shoes when entering a place that displays a notice it is required to enter. It’s their place, it’s their rules. These are minor demands. There are restaurants that require males to wear a tie and jacket inside, or prohibit the wearing of tennis shoes or sandals. Those are more major demands, ones that I consider make an establishment not worth a visit.

    Question for Atzmon: do you consider it more restrictive if an establishment reguires a mask be worn or a tie and jacket?

    A while back, when mask wearing was initially being promoted I saw an article about some governing body in a northern euro country, denmark, I think it was, banning Muslim face coverings. The irony killed me. Here we have western regimes demanding people wear some sort of face covering, but banning face covering that were traditional Muslim sorts. The bigotry, actually the israeli/zionazi ordained bigotry is bare nekkid, right there in your face.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  150. Seraphim says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    Is it not what the Christ reproached them?
    “The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat: 3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. 4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, 6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues, 7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi. 8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. 9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. 10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ… But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in”.

  151. What is taking place is the governments and the power circle that they serve are attempting to overthrow the people, which is not a revolution in any context. It is total tyranny being fraudulently passed off and propagandized as a Marxist Revolution also in full collusion with “Anti-Fa”, BLM Global Network, the Digital Mafia, the Medical Mafia, public schools and universities, the paid speech media, Wall Street, a large percentage of investors, and all branches of government ranging from the local, state, and federal levels. It is the antithesis of a revolution. It is complete tyranny based on total fraud in all areas and sectors of America and the rest of the world.

    This idea was spawned by the very same psychopathic mentally incompetent lunatics that brought us the staged 9/11 attacks and the seven wars that followed based on total fraud.

    Ideas are quite obviously not  these evil, sadistic, retarded, psychopathic terrorists strong suit, in fact, I seriously doubt that they are even capable of rational thought or an original idea.

    They are fully committed to the destruction of the lives, property, and nations all over the world, in addition to theft, through deception and sheer brute force through acts of subversion. 

    It is perfectly obvious that it is all that they are mentally capable of.

    They are guaranteed to meet the same fates as Hitler, Goebels, and Mengala. It is inevitable. They are still in denial. They will end up facing the consequences for their cold, calculated, pre-meditated, evil, sadistic, forces of death and destruction using Saul Alinsky’s 13 Rules for Radicals in institutionally waged wars against individuals. 

    They are mentally incapable of thought. Thinking is to them, what flying is to me – a physical impossibility. They have proven this for decades by way of their actions. No person tnat was even remotely capable of rational thought would employ the ideas, policies, and strategies that they have employed.

    Many of the rich, many of the poor, and institutions have joined forces and waged war on the middle class in particular. 

    Andrea Iravani

  152. @anaccount

    I am surprosed at the number of people getting their knickers in a knot over facemasks.

    I am in a position where I don’t have to be personally very concerned, as long as someone withan infection doesn’t sneeze droplets close to me, which hasn’t occurred in seven months. But I note that ordinary decency towards fellow humans would appear to require that they be visibly protected for the time being against exhalation on them and that is further supported by the successful control of the pandemic in Asian countries where people are used to wearing masks and often do so.

  153. ariadna says:

    RE: Loup-Bouc #152
    Breathe deeply and pipe down a bit.
    The issue of the Proverb’ awkward rendition you can taken up not with Gilad but with the St James’s Bible:”
    https://biblehub.com/niv/proverbs/28-14.htm
    Nothing to do with his “genuflecting to feminism” or the unnecessarily hyphenated crime of “grammar-ignorance.”

    As for loathing himself for his Jewish descent, I see no trace of it in his writings. Not identifying with the mentality of the group one was born in and criticizing its behaviors does not indicate self-loathing. Not that I am comparing Gilad with the venerable Roman, but despite his evisceration of Roman society, its corrupt mores and degeneracy (“Cras no erunt viri)”, nobody would call Cato Maior self-loathing.
    If you disagree with his ideas (Gilad’s, not Cato’s…), which you did not mention, that’s a whole other ball game.
    Last, no hard feelings but political correctness seems to have seeped into you: prefacing a critical opinion on a Jew you feel it necessary to note that you are not an anti-semite.

    • Replies: @Loup-Bouc
  154. @SolontoCroesus

    I am sorry to have prompted you to spend so much time and effort on something that interests me so little (both as it affects me personally and as an intellectual problem) that I shan’t even reread the articles I found with a quick search and seemed to conform to my impressions, to common sense and to the support of common, apparently successful, Asian practice. Less projection of infected aerosols would appear to be a good idea if one wants to protect others from infected people’s sneezes and coughs.

    • Replies: @Ernest Judd
  155. @Saggy

    Unz is a fraud. Anyone who is familiar with gematria can point out the obvious numerological references in Unz’ writings which are subtle winks and nods to other Jews. Take his American Pravda: Holocaust Denial article, for example, probably his most famous piece on this website. You will notice it’s exactly 17,600 words. If you understand the significance of 6 and 7 in gematria, you’ll realize that’s not a coincidence.

    I don’t have time right now, but you can scan through the article and find several other numerological references scattered throughout. To those unaware, gematria is a game jews play with gentiles where they leave numerological clues hidden in plain sight. It’s a subtle demonstration of Jewish power and another clear example of Jewish chutzpah.

    They reveal their plans so that they can take your silence in the presence of them telling you what they are going to do as you allowing them to do what they just showed you. Its non-metaphorical trickery based on the fable of the scorpion and the frog. Does anyone want this last slice of cake?” (said the jew in the middle of the night, whispering).. “I will take that silence as a no” *eats cake*” – but applied to the entirety of existence, not just cake or the last cookie or a slice of pizza. It reflects the fundamentally and essentially puerile and subversive nature of the Jewish mind.

    Gilad Atzmon is of the same feather.

    These Jewish so called “rebels” serve as a pressure valve for white discontent by pretending to be sympathetic to our cause. When the brainwashing techniques of the MSM fail, they employ hacks to corral dissent into other avenues controlled by Jews. This gives useful idiots the impression that the nationalist movement is making inroads when in reality it’s more controlled than ever before. The end goal here is to conflate kosher nationalism with American nationalism and to avoid violent retaliation against the farmers on the road to the slaughterhouse.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @ariadna
    , @Fran Taubman
  156. @Loup-Bouc

    But you are consistent. Just as your Book of Proverbs (mis)quote manifests your stupidly genuflecting to feminism/political-correctness and its grammar-ignorance, grammar-illogic, and absence of sense and poetic taste, all your articles are linguistic and intellectual dross, quite as your blithering, blathering jazz is not MUSIC.

    Wow, you are quite the boring and insufferable sack of manure. I’ve encountered the occasional Grammar Nazi in my life but you might as well be The Grammar Fuhrer.

    Somehow you managed to turn a use of “their” into a screed against feminism and political correctness while simultaneously making it clear you aren’t an anti-Semite because you judge people as individuals based on their actions. The irony, of course, is that a core element of political correctness, at least in its pre-SJW form, is the idea that only individuals can be discussed and that generalizing from averages and noting propensities with regard to races, the genders, etc, is verboten.

    So you whine about anti-Semitism because each Jew is a unique snowflake, then proceed to whine about Atzmon’s “political correctness” (which you infer from a use of “their”), then proceed to declare that MUSIC is defined objectively (based on your individual preferences), all while putting the reader in a boredom-induced comma by lording your grammar skills over the unwashed masses. Are you related to this dude?

    Finally, there is nothing inherently wrong with generalizing, noting propensities, and trying to discover the reasons behind those propensities. I am part Italian and I come from a family of what I would consider to be very honest Italians. But it is true that Italy has a culture of petty corruption due largely to its being full of Italians. Am I anti-Italian? No. In order to love something, as opposed to loving a false image, you must acknowledge it as it really is, the good, and the bad.

    Similarly, while I will concede that there are some Jews I like (always self-haters like Atzmon), my experience has taught me that Atzmon’s observations about the Tribe are more than just “in the ball park” and probably “over the plate.” The fact that the establishment Jews like The Dersh give him so much flak adds evidence for that in my book. In your case, you claim to not be Jewish, but I feel the Sir doth protest too strongly.

    • Replies: @Loup-Bouc
  157. @Lucius Somesuch

    I wouldn’t want you to revisit trivia: yours or mine, but you are plain wrong. I’m not the least concerned for myself as I face very little risk. I give myself leave to interpret the restrictions with common sense as I started my walk (not actually wearing a mask though I had it with me) before curfew ended at 5 am with no one in sight for half an hour, and yesterday my walk outside my home premises was criminal for the 38 minutes beyond the hour. And wrong about class: what’s the classiness of middle class? Just more orderly people on average

  158. geokat62 says:
    @Loup-Bouc

    The terms “their heart” constitute a phrase that suffers number-disagreement.

    Pardonne-moi for the interruption, Monsieur Frenchie, but I quickly wanted to point something out.

    The specific phrase over which you’ve decided to take Gilad Atzmon to task is a direct quote from the bible, viz Proverbs 28:14:

    “Blessed is the one who always trembles before God, but whoever hardens their heart falls into trouble.” (Proverbs 28:14)

    The quotation marks should have been your first clue that this phrasing was not of Monsieur Atzmon’s own grammatical construction, n’est-ce pas?

    So, rather than berate Monsieur Atzmon for committing the grammatical indiscretion, shouldn’t you be contacting the people who’ve drafted the New International Version for committing this original grammatical sin?

    https://biblehub.com/niv/proverbs/28.htm

    Monsieur Atzmon may have simply selected a version of this quote without realizing the offence it would engender in some male goats/male wolfs, lol!

    In light of this fact, I think you owe Monsieur Atzmon an apology.

    btw – you’ve misspelled “condemn” four times in your interesting preface.

  159. @Akouo

    The Judahites/Hebrews were not wiped out by the Romans. You talk total nonsense, Akouo. The Hebrews remained in Palestine. A large proportion converted to Christianity prior to the Muslim conquest and most of the remainder, and a large proportion of those Christians, converted to Islam following it. They are today’s Palestinians.

    Not total nonsense. But on that particular point you are wrong.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  160. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @geokat62

    Let’s not contemn drolls.

    • LOL: geokat62
  161. I’m convinced that the purpose of the covid masks is to give everyone bent noses and protruding ears.

    • Replies: @Liza
  162. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:
    @The sad truth

    To those unaware, gematria is a game jews play with gentiles where they leave numerological clues hidden in plain sight. It’s a subtle demonstration of Jewish power and another clear example of Jewish chutzpah.

    Not different than a Swinewood movie or Swine news except
    the latter two not subtle but blatant in manipulation and lies.

    Back to gematria

    Sorta like dog shit: game dogs play with clues
    left in plain sight but only dogs in on the game.

  163. trickster says:
    @bruce county

    I would be glad to come over. Hopefully I will wake in time for the next doomsday prediction ! I have set my alarm for 2120, I mean 21:20 LOL

  164. ariadna says:
    @The sad truth

    My excitement upon reading your scholarly analysis on the numerology embedded in UR and Atzmon’s writings was dampened by disappointment upon realizing its glaring sloppiness.
    How could you fail to note that RONUNZ has 6 letters and so does ATZMON???!!!
    How about HITLER: also 6 letters and suspected Jewish mitochondrial heritage?! It boggles the mind.
    Think of my critique as peer review, amend your comment and resubmit!

  165. @The sad truth

    I got a gematria number for you. Zero

  166. @Mario Partisan

    Very very good reply, Mario. Thank you for that.

    Your last paragraph raises a further question: By what vast, convoluted contortions of mind-hammering propaganda were the Powers That Be able to transform honest, moral, scientific, and political inquiry about a world-transforming event that has cost millions of lives into an excuse for labeling people insane and guilty of moral turpitude? And to switch the label from “left” to “right”?

    Because this goes well beyond the boundaries of the US. I left the country after the Bush/Cheney/911 coup and moved to France.

    Here too, however–and France has been spared most of the identitarian blight ravaging the US–almost all opposition to the ravages of finance capitalism is immediately labeled “rightwing.” The French media, for example, called Beppe Grillo’s 5-star movement in Italy, which wanted, among other things, to prevent the privitization of basic needs such as water, and which opposed US and NATO imperialism in the Middle East and their anti-Russian sabre-rattling, a “rightwing” movment, because it was “populist.”

    The Macron government tried the same thing with the Gilets Jaunes movement–a truly spontaneous grassroots uprising–labeling them “fascists”, “Russian agents,” the whole bit.

    Luckily, the French public was having none of it, and so it didn’t stick.

    But, as for 9/11 inquiry, there is, if anything, less tolerance of it here than in the US. We are up against a vast, desperate, international effort to control the narrative. And this smearing of the inquirers, at least in France, has stuck. Needless to say, it was ratcheted up once France, initially recalcitrant, joined the bogus War on Terror and helped destroy Libya and Syria.

    People like you and me, with philosophical sympathies for the goals of the historical Left but none for the present-day pseudo-left, with our eyes burnt from what we have seen but little outlet to express it and even less to act on it, seem to be a diminishing breed. I am particularly pleased that you are some twenty-odd years younger than me–and belonging to a generation that to me seemed only interested in finance and careers–and yet such an astute observer of these historic trends. My compliments. To you, and to your parents.

    A final observation. It had already occurred to me, even before Trump’s arrival on the scene, that what the ruling class were offering us was merely a choice between two right wings: the international finance capital right versus the nationalist right. And it’s this way across the West. Macron vs Le Pen; Trump vs Clinton (or Biden); Renzi vs Salvini, and so on. THERE IS NO LEFT LEFT. They are trying to sell us finance capital as “left wing” because the money men have decided to wave the rainbow flag, the better to divide the proles. It sure is a lot easier on them than equitably distributing wealth.

    Will anyone ever wake up to this? Certainly the “woke” haven’t. And if they’re studying fields with the term “studies” in the title, they’ll never really know history. They may claim to be Marxist, but their individualist narcissism would land them in a gulag in an instant. And you can bet none of the black-clad ghouls in the streets have heard of Kent State or Jackson State.

    The present agitation is a temporary state of affairs. The problems, and questions, will persist regardless. We must remain intellectually vigilant, if nothing else.

    Stay well. friend. Peace.

  167. Liza says:
    @OilcanFloyd

    Do you know what’s really pathetic? I’m watching the Tour de France. Of course, while the racers are at it, they don’t have masks, but the moment the various winners (climb/points/yellow jersey) are setting up to be interviewed, on comes the pathetic face diaper. They are huffing and puffing and sucking desperately into those things and you can see they are not getting enough air. At this point, FFS, they need all the oxygen they can get. In the Pyrenees. But no, let’s get all correct here and have these elite athletes hiding their faces in victory. And then when they mount the podium to get their shirt, yup, not only they are wearing the diaper, but the beautiful models on either side as well.

    Jezus, take me now.

  168. Let’s be frank and clarify what is actually intended by the Jerusalem versus Athens dichotomy: It’s religion versus reason, the former representative of uncritically demanding, stultifying obedience, the latter of authentically liberal, intellectual fecundity.

    Yet if reason is the root of faith, what do we make of such a dichotomy? In reflecting upon the intrinsic miracle that is existence, is it unreasonable to conclude that God is? That He would provide for us means by which to order our affairs such that we maintain a semblance of peace on earth? Is it similarly unreasonable to perceive that the Hebrew prophets affirmed God as well as His Law?

    No doubt, it’s natural to inquire about the content and quality of that means, and nothing should compel anyone to embrace it, but I also find nothing by which to conclude that one’s ability to accurately diagnose and avoid Messianic Apocalyptic Dementia© necessitates rejection of that means.

    Isn’t the imposition of such a litmus test rather contrary to the spirit of Athens? Or has Athens now been subsumed by the spirit of Meletus?

    • Agree: Fran Taubman
    • Replies: @Seraphim
    , @Kali
  169. @vot tak

    ‘ It’s their place, it’s their rules.’

    Not really. It’s the government’s rules. Businesses that fail to at least pretend to enforce the edict get heavily fined — but of late, my experience has been that no one actually cares.

    …but this only ends when so many of us fail to comply that enforcement becomes impossible.

    • Agree: Liza, Kali
    • Replies: @vot tak
  170. Loup-Bouc says:
    @geokat62

    (1)

    btw – you’ve misspelled “condemn” four times in your interesting preface.

    I did not write a misspelling of “condemn.” I wrote the discrete, English-language word “contemn.” “Contemn” is not a misspelling of “condemn.” It is a different word, of meaning different from the denotation of “condemn.” “Contemn” means “to despise; to treat/regard contemptuously (or to treat with contempt); to consider/treat as despicable; to scorn.”

    [MORE]

    * https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/contemn
    * https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/contemn
    * https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/contemn
    * http://webstersdictionary1828.com/Dictionary/contemn

    Your ignorance slip is showing, geokat62.

    (2)

    One owns the words one uses, even if one has stolen them.

    Mr. Atzmon chose an illiterate “Christian” “translation” of a Hebrew text, Mishle 28:14 [a.k.a. “Book or Proverbs” 28:14] of the Tanakh (a.k.a. “Hebrew Bible” or “Old Testament”):

    Blessed is the one who always trembles before God, but whoever hardens their heart falls into trouble.

    Mr. Atzmon accepted, did not alter, or even question, the number-disagreement [“their…heart’] of the illiterate translation he chose [or the further number-disagreement “whoever…their…heart falls ( verb form of third person singular, “he, she, or it falls“)].

    So, Mr. Atzmon chose — and adopted — an illiterate translation that submitted the original Hebrew-language text to the feminist/political-correctness command that grammar and logic yield (be sacrificed) to (and destroyed by) feminism’s/political-correctness’s “anti-sexist” ideology. Hence, that translation became HIS translation, HIS illiterate, illogical, ungrammatical, ugly language.

    That faux pas (the use of the illiterate, ungrammatical, illogical, and ugly) is all too typical of the dross-emanations of Mr. Atzmon’s “mind.” [“Faux pas”? https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/faux%20pas ]

    An Orthodox Judaism Rabbi might translate Mishle [a.k.a. Book of Proverbs] 28:14 thus: “Ashrei adam who is reverent always, but he that hardeneth his lev shall fall into ra’ah.” https://www.biblestudytools.com/ojb/mishle/28-14.html

    The noun “ra’ah” appears to mean “bird of prey.” https://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/hebrew/nas/raah-2.html

    “Ashrei” appears to mean “blessed” or “blessedness”:

    Philosophers could never bring us to the knowledge, what this summum bonum, this happiness, this blessedness was. For they considered only seme particular fruits thereof; and it is much easier, how high soever a tree be, to come to a taste of some of the fruits, than to dig to the root of that tree: they satisfied themselves with a little taste of health, and pleasure, and riches, and honour, and never considered that all these must have their root in heaven, and must have a relation to Christ Jesus, who is the root of all. And as these philosophers could never tell us, what this blessedness was, so divines themselves, and those who are best exercised in the language of the Holy Ghost, the original tongue of this text, cannot give us a clear grammatical understanding, of this first word, in which David expresses this blessedness, ashrei, which is here translated, blessed.

    https://www.biblestudytools.com/classics/the-works-of-john-donne-vol-2/sermon-liv.html [My emphases, Loup-Bouc]

    What is meaning of the “adam” of “Ashrei adam”? Since “Adam” was the first “man,” Yehweh’s “creation” of “Man” (so that “Adam” epitomized “Man,” hence all men, every man), “adam” can mean “Man” or “man.” Or “adam” may mean “man of flesh,” rather than “man of spirit.”
    Compare https://www.behindthename.com/name/adam
    and
    https://www.aish.com/sp/ph/48956911.html
    and
    https://answersingenesis.org/adam-and-eve/in-depth-look-at-translation-of-hebrew-word-adam/

    The word “lev” appears to mean “heart.” https://torahtruths.com/student-resources/lev/

    Therefore: “Ashrei adam who is reverent always, but he that hardeneth his lev shall fall into ra’ah,” may mean: “Blessed be a man who is reverent [always], but he who hardens his heart shall fall into the mouth of a bird of prey.”

    The poetic image “mouth of a bird of prey” comports with the often wrathful conduct of Yahweh, who thrusts men into bellies of whales and turns women to pillars of slat, who floods the Earth to kill all but one woman, one man, and two of every non-human animal species……..

    So: “Blessed be a man who is reverent [always], but he who hardens his heart shall plummet into calamity.” Or: “Blessed be a reverent man, but the hard-hearted shall be scourged.”

    Compare the King James version: “Happy is the man that feareth alway: but he that hardeneth his heart shall fall into mischief.” https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Proverbs-28-14/

    Compare this Israeli Jewish English-language translation of Mishle [a.k.a. Book of Proverbs] 28:14: “Happy is the man who is always reverent, but he who hardens his heart will fall into calamity.” https://www.shalomadventure.com/shopping-mall/accessories/159-heavenly-wisdom/heavenly-wisdom/1158-proverbs-28-14

    Again, your ignorance slip is showing, geokat62.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  171. geokat62 says:
    @Loup-Bouc

    Again, your ignorance slip is showing, geokat62

    Which Unzer revealed to you that I wore a slip? lol

  172. E_Perez says:
    @Question Mark

    Your first dash is easy to answer: You don’t change the name of your family like your forum id.
    For Jews in the Pale of Settlement, Germany was the country of desire and prior to WWI in Germany they were well received and the German educational system brought some of them to intellectual heights they would never have achieved with incestuous Talmud studies in rural Russia.
    In fact Yiddish is a (mostly) German dialect.

    As for the second part of your comment, when Jews draw the US into WWI for the promise of Israel (Balfour declaration) and appeared on the victors side at Versailles, Germans felt betrayed, see for example

    https://archive.org/stream/benjamin-h-freedman-the-hidden-tyranny/benjamin-h-freedman-the-hidden-tyranny_djvu.txt

    So there is no “inner conflict”, because (the majority of) Jews never identified with Germany – as they don’t identify with the US neither. It’s all money and Israel.

  173. Anon[123] • Disclaimer says:

    There is a lie
    Then there is a BIG LIE.
    Then there is 911

    Santa Claus is BIGGER LIE than 911.

    Jesus DIED for your EVILS is beyond all LIES.

    [MORE]

    BINGO ….911 TRUTH IS RAEL

    9|| [email protected]€l did it.
    USA= Under Satan Authority

    9/11 is a 666 in disguise (S)IX 6 XI(S)

    definitely a messy-anic time

    directed-energy-weapons-burinig-america directed energy weapons are burning California! These are the same weapons that did 911!!!

    THERE IS NOTHING CONSERVATIVE ABOUT FORCING FAMILIES OUT OF THEIR HOME AT GUNPOINT

    IT’S JUST A COHENCIDENCE GOY

    blaming Islam is like blaming the bullet

    Globalism is Judaism

    SHIT-COIN CRYPTO CURRENCY BIT-COIN

    ZIONIST LIES MATTER
    Alex Jones is Bill Hicks

    Skull and Bones – 322, CNN – 322, CBS – 322, BBC – 322, NBC – 322, FOX – 666, 99% of news is fake news.

    ZIONIST LIES MATTER
    ISIS FLAG SAYS=ALL JEWS 2050

    write jews did 9/11 on your dollars

    ISRSEL DID USS LIBERTY, LAVON AFFAIR, KING DAVID HOTEL B0MBING, 9/11 & 7/7

    “I am a Zionist working for Israel” – Tommy Robinson

    ‘Make War By Deception’ – Mossad motto…

    judeo Christian is an oxy moron

    Alex said the Muslims control the fed reserve , WTF

    if the Muslims just updated their sharia law and interpreted the laws through a modern eye, they would be cool.

    The all seeing eye is Satan

    WE SHOULD ALL BE MAD AS HELL AT ISRAHELL!!

    The Khazarians cannot trace their DNA back to King David

    Christianity is a imported Jewish derivative.

    Trump is in an airplane hanger telling stupid people they are smart….telling them that he is doing things he isn’t

    M∆Ꮹ∆ = Moss∆d ∆ssaulting Ꮹoyim ∆gain

    but God’s chosen people could never do anything wrong!

    Infowars is really Disinfowsrs

    Who IS left watching INFOWARS ?

    Alex says half truths and is ultimately a opportunist & conflicted Zionist .

    i watch infowars to see bill hicks

    Send Zionists into space and leave them there

    Black’s and White’s need to unite and we would crush these long nose clowns…

    NOAHIDE LAWS

    Make America Goy Again!

    1 +1 = 3 Buildings down

    Numbers don’t lie, people lie. The truth needs no laws to support it

    SATANYAHOO IS YOUR NEW BO$$

    Billionaires are bored psychopaths having reached the peak of wants, and all they have left is to screw around with society.

    america got dicked by cheney while george hid behind the bush

    The Moon Landings: A Giant Hoax for Mankind?

    The US died on 9-11 and became the United States of Israel.

    America uses liberty as a cover for evil as the Bible says not to in 1 Peter 2:16.

    “The American Dream…you have to be asleep to believe it.” – George Carlin.

    I can’t believe you’re doubling down on this jackassery.

    Satan has a PhD in Deception.

    It will take BIGGER lies to cover each subsequent LIES.

    Jesus DIED for your EVIL is the mother of all lies.

    In the end all lies will take you into the Lake of Fire.

  174. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Mario Partisan

    You apply the common sophistic illegitimate “critique”-technique of mis-characterizing the object of “criticism,” then “criticizing” the mis-characterization.

    I cannot (and would not) waste my time on deconstructing your “criticism.”

    [MORE]

    But I refer you to my comment of September 6, 2020 at 3:47 pm GMT (comment # 347), which comment replies to geokat62’s comment of September 6, 2020 at 10:08 am GMT (comment # 164).

    In another thread — set under another Atzmon article, “Liberating the American People,” https://www.unz.com/gatzmon/liberating-the-american-people/ — I criticized Mr. Atzmon’s jazz (which he deludes himself to call “music”). See my comment of June 7, 2020 at 2:44 am GMT (comment # 37) posted under Mr. Atzmon’s above-referenced “Liberating the American People.” You will react with YOUR taste — likely crude or addled as the reaction of a hobo gulping a soufflé aux chanterelles avec sauce béchamel while suffering a serious rhino virus infection.

  175. Tim too says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    That should be ‘A’ and not ‘The’ Scientific method: if you have ever done science in a private or corporate setting, you know that you can do science without publishing. The independent verification and reproduction can be done by others in the organization.

    Security state scientific investigation would have similar characteristics. There is a great deal of science done in secret, and won’t be published.

    The reasons for the push to publish are not necessarily scientific, but include various things, like propaganda, as well as personal or private agendas.

  176. PolarBear says:
    @Question Mark

    Jews loved Weimar Germany, where they could fiddle some German street kid on the roof of their mansion. English powers agreed to give Jews Israel, so Jews turned on their best friend at the time and Germany suffered until the rise of National Socialism.

  177. Loup-Bouc says:
    @ariadna

    (1) See my comment of September 6, 2020 at 3:47 pm GMT (comment # 347), which comment replies to geokat62’s comment of September 6, 2020 at 10:08 am GMT (comment # 164).

    (2) Respecting my mention of Mr. Atzmon’s self-loathing:

    Compare my comment of May 20, 2020 at 10:56 am GMT (comment # 88) and my comment of May 20, 2020 at 11:01 pm GMT (comment # 110), both posted under Mr, Atzmon’s article “Pilpul for Beginners,” https://www.unz.com/gatzmon/pilpul-for-beginners/
    AND read “Pilpul for Beginners” (supra).

    • Replies: @ariadna
  178. Loup-Bouc says:
    @geokat62

    [As an empty wind-bag greatly enamored by the sound of your own voice, you regularly clutter up our comment-threads with very lengthy references to your own previous musings, most of which are entirely worthless, and even to your own minor typos. This sort of serious misbehavior will no longer be tolerated here and such comments will not be published. Once enough of your voluminous output has been trashed, you will either mend your ways or find some other website to burden with your nonsense.]

    Confession of error:

    [MORE]

    In my comment of September 6, 2020 at 3:47 pm GMT (comment # 176) [replying to your comment], I wrote [in the 4th paragraph before the final paragraph of that comment]:

    …Yahweh, who thrusts men into bellies of whales and turns women to pillars of slat….

    The term “slat” is a typing error. The word ought to be “salt.” Hence:

    …Yahweh, who thrusts men into bellies of whales and turns women to pillars of salt….

    I am sorry for your having missed that error — more sorry for MY having missed it.

    • LOL: AnonStarter
    • Replies: @Loup-Bouc
  179. PolarBear says:
    @E_Perez

    Germans gave Ashkenazi Jews an IQ boost.

  180. @E_Perez

    The Friedman texts are a fascinating read – thank you. So WW1&2 were even more deceitful than I knew.

    I now agree with your argument about Jewish attitudes towards Germany. But I still feel there are times when some sort of inner conflict shows in their actions – as if they could not always hide or completely execute their evil motivations. But maybe this is only true for characters who have a certain resistance to the Talmudic prohibition of searching for truth/reality.

  181. Art says:

    Christian Zionism is illegitimate – Israel is illegitimate – the JQ jumps out and glares!

    Jew tribal power is built on two things, an inordinate personal greed for money and status – and an almost instinctive tribal personal paranoia. The pathological paranoia builds tribal unity against all of humanity. Those two defects create defensive rational hate from others. The enmity between Jew and humanity has been going on for three millennia. Jews are an intelligent people. How is it that they can ignore their own faults to the point that they become hated? How is that Jews have never learned to get along with others?

    The answer is systematic child abuse. Jews abuse their children from birth on, with hateful cultural stories that humanity wands to kill them. This is traumatic for children – by the age of five, this fear is imprinted in their immature brains. They have no intellectual defense – they accept the lie – it stays subliminally with them, their entire life. When criticism of Jews occurs, they instinctively become defensive – they have been wired from childhood to do so.

    Any solution to the JQ requires that Jews stop the psychological abuse of their children.

    • Agree: Kali
    • Replies: @Art
    , @Art
    , @Colin Wright
    , @Loup-Bouc
  182. ariadna says:
    @Loup-Bouc

    You’re kidding. You suggest I do what amounts to watching 10 acres of grass grow, blade by blade.
    Un peu de Loup-Bouc goes a hell of a looooong way.

  183. vot tak says:
    @Colin Wright

    The wearing of some sort of shoes is I believe also government requirement. Part of the health code regulations. Or was in the past. Whether federal or state, or both, enforced this requirement, I don’t know. Point I’m making is that people made no noise about wearing certain clothing items to enter a building till this year when all of a sudden they do.

    This face mask controversy isn’t about rebellion to government rules, it’s a political psywar campaign. It’s hyped.

    Where I live, maryland/dc/virginia/north carolina, most people don’t wear a mask unless they are inside a shop or public building. Shops mostly display signs masks are required, but I have not seem non wearers refused service or booted out.

    But try and go into one of those shops barefoot and if they notice it, you’re out in a sec. 😀

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Ernest Judd
  184. Art says:
    @Art

    Pay for play!

    Christian Zionism is through as a moral force in American politics. It takes money from a foreign country – Israel. It uses that money to advocate for US wars. What they are doing may or may not be against US law – but it is 100% against human morality. Pay for play the leads to war is on the top of the list of human evils.

    By virtue of their endless immoral trouble making actions, Zionism and Israel are illegitimate entities. What the UN created – the UN can undo.

  185. karel says:

    I quite agree that some attempts offering an alternative view of reality , ”may explain the popularity of dissenting voices like Alexander Dugin, David Icke and outlets like Unz Review and London Real that, although subject to the most restrictive authoritarian measures, only become more popular. It is because they resemble the Hebrew prophets, Jesus and Spinoza.” But is this some kind of new philosophy? When listening to David Icke, I sometimes also feel like a lizard who would love to devour my enemies, but is this a real desire or just a temporary state of confusion by the symbolism embedded in his message? In these days of chaos, it is tempting to conflate symbols with reality and transcend from one to the other and back again. A banana is not a hard prick even though numerous pics try to insinuate that it could be so. Also a yarmulke is not a face mask, as you imply by stating that you only ”analyze its meaning in terms of symbolism…” This is fine but there are many confused individuals who reject any real object because of a presumed link to a disliked symbol . They present themselves as some kind of noble heroes or freedom fighters by negating the potential usefulness of certain actions or a hated object. The usual suspects are contributors like Colin Wright who rather foolishly boasts of not wearing a face mask but only if no one will ”accost” him. Either such people are somewhat foxed or total hypocrites as they would certainly object to being operated on by a surgeon without a surgical mask, or having a symbolic substitute such as the left half of his wives brassier or a yarmulke instead. Wearing no mask, such a freedom-loving surgeon may also quite unintentionally spew some remnants of his pizza-salami lunch, left in his tooth gaps and cavities, into the patient’s entrails.

    • Replies: @Ernest Judd
  186. @vot tak

    ‘But try and go into one of those shops barefoot and if they notice it, you’re out in a sec. ‘

    That would be because being shod is part of the social conventions we are brought up with.

    When did we all agree we should wear masks?

  187. @Wizard of Oz

    Remember to “genuflect” before donning mask.
    Fools will be fools.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  188. @karel

    Surgeons wear masks so that bodily fluids that may squirt do not squirt on the face.
    They are not wearing them for the CoVid1984.

  189. @vot tak

    I believe that there has been NO government body that has democratically assented masks to be considered mandatory. All measures are implemented without government vote, meaning in better world, the representatives consulted the populace. We know they did not.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  190. karel says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    I am bit confused by the waffle about the scientific method. If the inserted tweet is to convince us then I have to object. I cannot stand people calling others folks and am not impressed by someone claiming to be a surgeon for thirty years. Surgeons are mostly somewhat-more skilled butchers. This dude has obviously never performed an experiment showing the permeability of masks to covid. His knowledge of physics is probably at the level of an 8 yr. old as he does not understand that a mask is not a monolayer and the air flow through the mask is not linear. Furthermore, there is a resistance to the air flow which depends of the number of layers and the surface properties of the material. Anyone who ever used a paper filter in elementary classes of chemistry must have noticed that any liquid e.g. water, whose molecule is much smaller than the fenestrae of the paper filter, does not flow through in a second but it takes much much longer. With every additional filter, the time will increase, probably linearly. In any case the mask will decrease the viral load of the wearer. So much for science.

    • Replies: @Kali
  191. Let’s be frank and clarify what is actually intended by the Jerusalem versus Athens dichotomy: It’s religion versus reason, the former representative of uncritically demanding, stultifying obedience, the latter of authentically liberal, intellectual fecundity.

    Gilad’s argument and the responses on this page are bullshit. An intellectually dishonest argument. Judaism, Christianity, Islam and all religions are based on the supernatural, the metaphysical which is contrary to known physics, logic, and mathematical philosophy described as Athens. The Christians on this post talking about drinking the blood and eating the flesh of Christ. Yuk. That seems dark to me, never mind the Trinity. Someday physics maybe able to explain the supernatural, as other dimensions in space are revealed. I am still trying to figure out how my iPhone works. The OT is about the experience of a group of people and their inexplicable rendezvous with a supernatural force on Mt. Sinai. That they were able to witness, document and create a history around that rendezvous that has lasted for thousands of years is a testament to a certain logic of probability and outcome. Who would make up the darkness in the OT as well as the vindictiveness of the controlling force. The Jews who are chosen in the story are often shown in a bad light. Why would anyone (the jews) create a chosen situation, where as teachers pet the world will always hate them for their supernatural divine exclusivity. Who would ever want to be the chosen? A sure ticket to disaster. Who would make up such a story?

    Logic, physics, and rational philosophy has yet to explain the entire enchilada of the life force. It has been disappointing. This excerpt from the book The Lost Math

    In this “provocative” book (New York Times), a contrarian physicist argues that her field’s modern obsession with beauty has given us wonderful math but bad science.
    Whether pondering black holes or predicting discoveries at CERN, physicists believe the best theories are beautiful, natural, and elegant, and this standard separates popular theories from disposable ones. This is why, Sabine Hossenfelder argues, we have not seen a major breakthrough in the foundations of physics for more than four decades.
    The belief in beauty has become so dogmatic that it now conflicts with scientific objectivity: observation has been unable to confirm mindboggling theories, like supersymmetry or grand unification, invented by physicists based on aesthetic criteria. Worse, these “too good to not be true” theories are actually untestable and they have left the field in a cul-de-sac. To escape, physicists must rethink their methods. Only by embracing reality as it is can science discover the truth.

    Similar to Gilad, who draws on logic and reason to describe the paradigm of the Jews. A paradigm based on irrational hate. Jew hatred has proven to be false and irrational. Judaism’s claim to a unique relationship with a divine supernatural force to the exclusion of others, is not a provable theory for Jew hatred, if you believe in the supernatural or logical world.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  192. Art says:
    @Art

    Zionism is illegitimate – Israel is illegitimate – the JQ jumps out and glares!

    The idea that god gave Palestine to the Jews – is PILPUP.

    The UN gave some of Palestine to the Jews. The Zionists have immorally taken the rest.

    It is time to reverse the process – disband Zionism and return Palestine to its people.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  193. @Fran Taubman

    ‘Gilad’s argument and the responses on this page are bullshit…’

    Liar. Fran’s a liar. She said she was leaving, and she came back.

    Anyway, Fran, your post is idiotic. You haven’t even read the book you refer to. We both know that.

    You simply copied the blurb from Amazon. It’s right here.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  194. @Ernest Judd

    ‘All measures are implemented without government vote, meaning in better world, the representatives consulted the populace. We know they did not.’

    No — but curiously, the measures are enacted out of a kind of democracy of cowardice.

    Governor _____ knows if he fails to impose lotsa stuff — or lifts the strictures, mandates, etc — and somebody can credibly be claimed to die as a result, he’s for it. So he’s not about to do that.

  195. @Ernest Judd

    My ritual is to pull it up briefly over my mouth and nose if I am about to pass people within a couple of metres when I am walking briskly enough to breathe heavily. Rather absurdly runners and (I think) cyclists are not required to wear masks but must have them with them. I haven’t heard of a jogging policeman stopping a runner to ask for proof or maybe running a alongside asking to see the mask. It seems to offrer scope for cartoonists and comedians. But this is in the traditionally liberal-conservatyive state where we now indulge ourselves with expensive Labor governmments, financed by prosperous unions like builders, teachers, firemen and police and living in fear of the inner city Green activists

  196. @Art

    ‘Any solution to the JQ requires that Jews stop the psychological abuse of their children.’

    Couldn’t you describe most cultural child-rearing traditions as ‘psychological abuse’?

    I’m not implying it shouldn’t happen — I just wonder if Jews are any worse than anyone else.

    I think that any ‘solution to the Jewish question’ — at least any to which I’m prepared to sign off on — needs to address first, the existence of that abomination commonly known as Israel, and second, perhaps at least frankly recognize the disproportionate power and influence of Jews.

    However, I don’t see Jews and Jewish culture as any more (or less) reprehensible than that of half a dozen other definable ethnic or religious groups that come to mind. I wouldn’t want to be subject to Mormons’ notion of what’s fittin’, either.

    It’s not that I particularly mind Jews. In fact, before I became aware of precisely the extent to which Israel incarnates all that is evil in the world, I kind of liked them. I just don’t like being subjected quite so extensively to their political and ethical tastes.

    • Replies: @Art
    , @Wizard of Oz
  197. Biloxi says: • Website

    Gilad are you still interested in a book with visual imagery fine art?

    • Replies: @Gilad Atzmon
  198. @Ko

    ‘Hmmm. Are you serious? The existence of Islam demands it converts all people to Islam or else kill them, preferably by decapitation. Why is it that Muslims expand into non-Islam lands? And Mormons just want to get laid.’

    I am serious, and in your invincible ignorance and paranoid bigotry, you’re pathetic — in a very unpleasant way, I’m afraid.

    Satmar Jews all believe that when the Messiah comes, those of us who are bad gentiles will go to hell, and those of us who are good gentiles will serve them as slaves for eternity.

    I don’t see any practical reason for concern. Ditto with whatever you may imagine about Islam. It’s not true — but more importantly, it’s not significant. There is no Islamic state poised to overrun us and make it always winter and never Christmas. Their intentions are no more of concern to me than those of the Mormon Church or the Satmar Jews or the cat lady who gave me a dirty look in the store.

    They can go right ahead and believe whatever they wish. I’ll focus on the people who actually have the power to wreck my country and are doing so, thank you.

    • Agree: MrVoid
  199. @Art

    Way to late for that. The Palestinian victim card has been punched too many times. You only get to be a victim for a certain period of time before the world gets frustrated and moves on to another victim. They had their chance but it was never really about land. It was about Islam defeating the Jews. They lost.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Art
  200. Seraphim says:
    @AnonStarter

    To put it crudely, the difference between religion and reason is like the difference between falling in love with a woman of flesh and blood and making love to her, and falling in love with just a picture of her. Pygmalion prayed to Aphrodite, the goddess of love, that his statue became of flesh, to marry her (Aphrodite, on the contrary, made the Propoetides, who denied her divinity, to lose all shame and to prostitute themselves, eventually turning them into stones – statues?).
    And you don’t want to embrace that woman because you first ‘reflected’ upon her beauty.
    Solomon, the raisonneur of “Ecclesiastes’ and ‘Proverbs’ and ‘Wisdom’, left us the ‘Song of Songs’ (the ‘book’ of all mystics). And Plato is better known for his ‘Banquet’ than for ‘Parmenides’ , ‘Timaeus’ or ‘Republic’.
    Christianity is a fusion of Jerusalem and Athens. All heresies were born when people tried to torn asunder this fusion.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  201. @Colin Wright

    You simply copied the blurb from Amazon. It’s right here.

    Yes I meant to put the bottom paragraph it in quotes. Not reading the book has nothing to do with the topic of mathematics and physics. Physics has stopped explaining our universe, as provable ideas. You do need to read the book to state the ideas. If you do not understand the idea between physics, the metaphysical, philosophy and math. I guess that I cannot help you. Do not judge the belief in the supernatural. But the supernatural may turn into the rational as soon as these physics geeks get back to doing their job. Athens vs. Jerusalem is a bogus dichotomy. You usually use the word idiotic about my post when you don’t understand them. Just read it more carefully and slowly again and maybe it will dawn on you. It is a very simple idea.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  202. @Fran Taubman

    ‘Way to late for that. The Palestinian victim card has been punched too many times…’

    But that Holocaust victim card is kind of like the Energizer Bunny, huh, Fran?

    Does it ever run out?

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  203. @Fran Taubman

    ‘…You do need to read the book to state the ideas…’

    Indeed, Fran, you do. But you see…

  204. GILAD! PLEASE READ!

    [MORE]

    I say this only out of concern for you and your soul. I am a recent convert to Orthodox Christianity. I say the same thing to people I know, even lapsed Orthodox apostates who became Marxists, and they think I’m being eccentric. If you examine Orthodoxy and patristic literature, not the Roman Catholic heretics adulterated their doctrines due to schism and learning the heresies of the Muslim Aristotelian philosophers of Spain, if you examine Orthodoxy honestly and read the Cappadocian fathers et. al., you will begin to realize that “Athens” is not enough. This anecdote is somewhere in the Lives of the Saints: a zealous priest during the days of Byzantium was railing against Plato, and then Plato appeared to him in a dream and said: “Do not condemn me: I was the first to believe in Christ when he came down to Hades.” From the perspective of Orthodoxy, Talmudic Judaism is simply another heresy. Even the kippa which you mention is just another innovation drawing on Turkic influence in 16th century Poland. But the Orthodox believe that the Old Testament was a preparation for the advent of Jesus Christ, who came to save all humanity. Israel was chosen to prepare the way for the believe in the One God in the Trinity. The True God couldn’t have just shown up in Babylon or Varanasi and said: “Alright, the show is over, you’re all saved.” As the Apostle Paul writes, God wants friends, not servants. God chose Israel to wean humanity off of millennia of horrible paganism in which our ancestors literally worshipped demons who demand human sacrifice. I studied semiotics. The God of Israel, YHWH, has unique name: “I am Who I am.” He doesn’t have a “name” in the sense of pagan gods like Venus, whose literal proto-Indo-European meaning is “desire.” Or Jupiter, which means “father of Gods,” who kills his father Saturn. YHWH forbids human sacrifice; this is the meaning of the binding of Isaac. YHWH inspires the prophets like Isaiah to see the advent of His Son, the incarnate Logos. And the Old Testament is not simply a genocidal text. Have you ever read the Book of Ruth in which a Moabite woman is accepted in Israel and becomes the grandmother of King David??? When it comes to “genocide,” YHWH was no worse than other “deities.” Read the Rig Veda which celebrates the wholesale slaughter of non-Aryans. Study Aztec history, what Alexander the Great did in Tyre. Read the Illiad. Ancient texts were hyperbolic. It is questionable whether these “genocides” even occurred. It’s like when Jesus Christ tells his disciples to “cut of their arm” if they sin with the arm, not meant to be taken literally. The Assyrians celebrated their genocides much as the Jews did; there are all those cuneiform tablets in which the king says: “I went to the city and massacred everybody.” As for your fascination with “Athens,” I think it is rather facile. This notion of “Athens” as liberating the mind from the shackles of “Jerusalem” is pretty naive from my perspective, no offense. “Rationalistic” philosophies killed more people than Orthodox Christianity or even Joshua and King David, viz. Marxism, the Jacobins, etc. The Jacobins ransacked Notre Dame and put up a statue to the “Goddess of Reason.” Meanwhile, they massacred priests, decapitated aristocrats, burned churches, etc. As for “Athens” as the luminary that will save us, read the Acts of the Apostles when St. Paul goes to Athens. Also, PLEASE READ “Philosophy as a Way of Life” by Pierre Hadot. It is a modern fallacy to think of “ancient philosophy” as being supremely rational in comparison to Judaism. Ancient Philosophy, Platonism, Stoicism, etc., was very much a religion with rituals, meditation, prescribed diets, discipleship to philosopher gurus. Late Antique philosophy believed in magic. Porphyry, the disciple of Plotinus, was into theurgy and his disciples saw him levitating. Even Newton believed in the occult. Socrates had his “daimon” or “guarding spirit.” My point is that “Athens” wasn’t as “rational” as you think Gilad. And Athens ended up condemning Socrates to death. The Greeks were about as xenophobic as the Israelites, they owned slaves. Non-Hellenized peoples were “barbarians.” The history of human cruelty and genocide is not exclusive to Joshua and David. Read about the Saxon Crusade in Poland, the Mongols. I return to the names: YHWH is pure ontology. Unfortunately, the Pharisees, rejecting Christ, Yeshua ha-Moshiah, fell for a materialist ethnocentric heresy devoid of God’s light, the same way Guyenot falls for this Neo-pagan gnostic heresy. It’s very foolish in my opinion. There was a professor I knew. A student in a lecture opined that “the moon landing was the greatest moment in human history.” The professor responded: “No, the greatest moment in human history was the resurrection of Christ.” This is how the Orthodox Christians and most Christians see it. My sincere hope for lapsed Jews like Gilad who see the bankruptcy of the Talmudic pharisaic heresy would be for them to be baptized in the “Chalcedonian” Orthodox Church which recognizes the Seven Ecumenical Councils. This requires great humility, but the reward, eternal life in Christ, is immense. If you decide to become Christian Gilad, which I suspect you secretly are in a way, just please don’t go to the Catholics, protestants, Monophysites, Nestorians or messianic Jews. They all got lost because their clergy followed their egos. Follow the example of Father James Bernstein who became an Orthodox priest or Adam Israel Shamir. Leave Athens and “Old Jerusalem.” Go to the “New Jerusalem” which is eternal and incorruptible, in which all nations, righteous Jews included, bask in the Uncreated Light. Remember, Orthodox and other Christians regard a Jewish woman, Mort Miriam bat Yehoyaqim, as the greatest human who ever lived and we venerate her daily. It is only in Christianity that God and man are reconciled. Judaism, Islam, Neo-Platonism, they all miss the mark. And the “rationalism” or “independent thought” of Athens ultimately ends up in amorphous confusion. Read the homilies by Saint John Chrysostom on pagan philosophy, and you’ll understand. And if you were a Late Antique philosopher, it would mean joining a sect, finding a guru, meditating, not eating certain foods, maybe levitating. The Late Antique philosophy of Athens was more like “Hare Krishna” than the pristine rationalism you imagine. May you see the light. Be well, Orthodoxos …

  205. COME GILAD. RECEIVE THE KAVOD OF AVOTEIKHA. COME TO MARAN YESHUA HA-MOSHIAH AND THE HOLY ORTHODOX FAITH. FROM THE DOUAY RHEIMS-TRANSLATION OF THE BOOK OF THE APOCALYPSE OF SAINT JOHN THE THEOLOGIAN, MAR YOHANAN BEN ZAVDI … THE BELOVED APOSTOLE OF MARAN YESHUA HA-MOSHIAH AND PROBABLY ONE OF THE GREATEST JEWS WHO EVER LIVED. BE HUMBLED. BE BAPTIZED. DO NOT LISTEN TO FRAN TAUBMAN AND THEIR ILK. THEY ARE LOST. THEY FOLLOWED BAALZEBUB AND THE FALSE LEAVEN OF THE PHARISEES:

    [MORE]

    BOOK OF REVELATION:

    20:12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing in the presence of the throne, and the books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged by those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

    20:13 And the sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and hell gave up their dead that were in them; and they were judged every one according to their works.

    20:14 And hell and death were cast into the pool of fire. This is the second death.

    20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life, was cast into the pool of fire.

    21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth. For the first heaven and the first earth was gone, and the sea is now no more.

    21:2 And I John saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

    21:3 And I heard a great voice from the throne, saying: Behold the tabernacle of God with men, and he will dwell with them. And they shall be his people; and God himself with them shall be their God.

    21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes: and death shall be no more, nor mourning, nor crying, nor sorrow shall be any more, for the former things are passed away.

    21:5 And he that sat on the throne, said: Behold, I make all things new. And he said to me: Write, for these words are most faithful and true.

    21:6 And he said to me: It is done. I am Alpha and Omega; the beginning and the end. To him that thirsteth, I will give of the fountain of the water of life, freely.

    21:7 He that shall overcome shall possess these things, and I will be his God; and he shall be my son.

    21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, they shall have their portion in the pool burning with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

    21:9 And there came one of the seven angels, who had the vials full of the seven last plagues, and spoke with me, saying: Come, and I will shew thee the bride, the wife of the Lamb.

    21:10 And he took me up in spirit to a great and high mountain: and he shewed me the holy city Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God,

    21:11 Having the glory of God, and the light thereof was like to a precious stone, as to the jasper stone, even as crystal.

    21:12 And it had a wall great and high, having twelve gates, and in the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel.

    21:13 On the east, three gates: and on the north, three gates: and on the south, three gates: and on the west, three gates.

    21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them, the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

    21:15 And he that spoke with me, had a measure of a reed of gold, to measure the city and the gates thereof, and the wall.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
    , @Anon
  206. @Colin Wright

    We settled that score. We are no longer victims. Don’t really know what you are talking about with the victim card. Israel does not look like a victim nation to me.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  207. @Seraphim

    You are an ardent advocate for your faith.

    I’m not unsympathetic to the view that particular religious dispositions — which cut across the spectrum of faith traditions — may, in fact, betray a pathology which inhibits the kind of reason necessary to bring about a better world for present and future generations given the current challenges we face.

    My basic qualm with Mr. Atzmon’s article concerns his implication that the Abrahamic traditions necessarily corral their adherents into a miasma of irrationality that bodes ill for their ability to assist in this regard. The target should be Messianic Apocalyptic Dementia, not those traditions per se.

    • Replies: @Art
    , @Seraphim
    , @Colin Wright
  208. @New Jerusalem ...

    DO NOT LISTEN TO FRAN TAUBMAN AND THEIR ILK. THEY ARE LOST. THEY FOLLOWED BAALZEBUB AND THE FALSE LEAVEN OF THE PHARISEES:

    Wrong and the fact that you so deeply need Gilad to follow your truth is proof of it’s dubious character as a solution for everyone. Christian Orthodox has a real beauty and rhythm to it. I am not going to bore you with why we Jews cannot accept it. I only want to point out and this is the fault of all competitive religions that say “follow me and my way or you will lose your spot in the hereafter” to convert the non believers. Judaism is not a part of this competitiveness as it accepts many alternatives to the divine, and does not need to convert. Those who wish to are welcome.

    Has it every dawned on you that we Jews (some of us) were not meant to convert by divine will? Are you so dulled by your faith that you cannot see the message of another one. That Judaism is an end to a means in it’s own right. The almighty divine wants the Jews around for a reason. Jews have an unbreakable bond with a divine source, a one on one with no intermediary like Jesus. We have been feed a spiritual path that is never going to be altered or separated for a reason. Our message is unique, and divinely given. If we were not protected by a divine source we would not be here. For you to think our bond was broken after Christ has shown to be a false choice. Look at the success of Israel against all odds. It makes your doom and gloom Pharisee prophecy of Synagogue of Satin look silly. Against all odds we have survived. Hitler did not try and kill the Jews he tried to kill God so he could impose himself as one, knowing that the Jews would never hail him like a god with a Nazi solute, like to an emperor. Jews will never bow to a false god.

    Not only are we alive we are getting ready to celebrate Gods creation of the world and all that is in it, with the holiday of Rosh Hashanah 5771. We have celebrated this continually thru out the world, since the 6th century B.C. A small group of people with a singular message of the one god.

    So really don’t worry about Gilad or any other Jew.. No need to disparage what I say, it shows your desperate need for validation.

    • Replies: @Art
  209. Art says:
    @Colin Wright

    However, I don’t see Jews and Jewish culture as any more (or less) reprehensible than that of half a dozen other definable ethnic or religious groups that come to mind.

    Hmm — I don’t know – I believe that the Jews are champions of coercion – just think of the volume of Western and ME people who are under the spell of Jew treachery.

    It’s not that I particularly mind Jews. In fact, before I became aware of precisely the extent to which Israel incarnates all that is evil in the world, I kind of liked them. I just don’t like being subjected quite so extensively to their political and ethical tastes.

    Tastes! — Hmm — Jews are taking away America’s most precious thing – free speech.

    • Agree: Robjil
  210. Art says:
    @AnonStarter

    My basic qualm with Mr. Atzmon’s article concerns his implication that the Abrahamic traditions necessarily corral their adherents into a miasma of irrationality that bodes ill for their ability to assist in this regard. The target should be Messianic Apocalyptic Dementia, not those traditions per se.

    Every day for 2,000 years some Christian preacher has screeched “end times.”

    They are charlatans – they are scaring people, into giving them money – period.

    In spite of that – most every day for 2,000 years “the Christian philosophy of idealism, as a whole” has improved life for humanity. The truth of that is obvious.

    p.s. Christian Zionists are charlatans – there is now proof of their taking money from Israel.

    p.s. The idea that god gave Palestine to the Jews is PILPUT.

  211. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Loup-Bouc

    To the comment-censor of 12:40 PM Pacific Time (3:40 PM Eastern Time) through about an hour after, today, the 7th of September 2020:

    Please publish the following text that addresses the person who was the Unz Review comment-censor of 6 September 2020, from about 4:30 PM through about 8:15 PM Pacific Time (about 7:30 PM to about 11:15 PM Eastern Time).

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    Unz Review ought to accord me opportunity of responding to the assertions that the 6 September 2020 evening/night comment-censor inserted into my comment of September 6, 2020 at 5:49 pm GMT (comment # 184). That censor libeled me. I deserve a chance of defending my character and my commenting record. Has Unz Review integrity enough to accord me that chance?

    Immediately below follows the text I wish to address to that comment-censor of the evening/night of 6 September 2020.

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    To the comment-censor who inserted the immediately following quoted language into my comment of September 6, 2020 at 5:49 pm GMT (comment # 184):

    [As an empty wind-bag greatly enamored by the sound of your own voice, you regularly clutter up our comment-threads with very lengthy references to your own previous musings, most of which are entirely worthless, and even to your own minor typos. This sort of serious misbehavior will no longer be tolerated here and such comments will not be published. Once enough of your voluminous output has been trashed, you will either mend your ways or find some other website to burden with your nonsense.]

    Those assertions and threats beg corrective response.

    As an empty wind-bag….

    Were I an “empty wind-bag” [my emphasis], I would not have hot air to blow

    …enamored by the sound of your own voice….

    Often my propositions please me (for I work hard to render them sound). Is that experience not true of all or most humans who invest pride in their works — to make their works useful, worthy, beneficial. Sometimes I regret a proposition I put, because later I apprehend it is incomplete, perhaps even flawed, and I endeavor to cure my error. Is that experience not true of all honorable humans.

    …clutter up our comment-threads with very lengthy references to your own previous musings….

    In many contexts, brevity does not equal succinctness, because necessity and sufficiency require extensive, much-detailed, very rigorous consideration. Seldom can sound bites address a matter competently. But succinctness is a virtue I do value. Just so, often, rather than reexamine matters my earlier comments address well, I reference my pertinent earlier comments with suggestion that they supply points that fit my comment that references them.

    So, my comment cross-referencing does NOT cause “clutter,” but prevents it. Just so, such cross-referencing is normal, strongly expected, even required in sundry professions — law, medicine, biology, psychology, economics……..

    …your own previous musings, most of which are entirely worthless….

    Funny: Quite enough commenters have stated or implied clearly that they find my comments valuable, even very valuable — though, surely, others decry my comments. Since you, censor, chastise me (even threaten scourge) because you dislike the “clutter” of my comment cross-referencing, I shall not cite all, but just one, of the favorable valuations of my commenting. See Brás Cubas’s comment of August 19, 2020 at 8:17 pm GMT (comment # 306) posted under Mike Whitney’s article “CODENAME: Operation Virus Identification 2019; the Elitist Plan to Remake Society,” https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/codename-operation-virus-identification-2019-the-elitist-plan-to-remake-society/

    Consider also that one Unz Review author spent many long comments to attempt to refute my criticisms of his article and the comments he posted under his same article. See comments posted under John-Paul Leonard’s article, “Or Did George Floyd Die of a Drug Overdose?,” https://www.unz.com/article/or-did-george-floyd-die-of-a-drug-overdose/?showcomments Also compare John-Paul Leonard’s and my comments posted under Paul Craig Robert’s “George Floyd: What Is a Fatal Dose of Fentanyl?,” https://www.unz.com/proberts/what-is-a-fatal-dose-of-fentanyl/

    The stronger an argument, the harder its opponents fight it.

    …your voluminous output….

    I have encountered Unz Review comment-threads in which one or two commenters post many more comments than I post. And, unlike mine, many are mere dross, or worse.

    Once enough of your voluminous output has been trashed….

    Do you plan to wipe out all my comments? Do you plan, instead, to debar my commenting — or deport me from the land of Unz Review? Compare Google’s “deplatforming” Unz Review.

    This sort of serious misbehavior….

    You can assert, legitimately, that my “behavior” clashes with your taste. But you paint yourself poorly with your assertion that my conduct is “misbehavior” — or, as near-certainly YOU asserted once before, “bad behavior” [see under Paul Craig Robert’s “George Floyd: What Is a Fatal Dose of Fentanyl?, this comment, https://www.unz.com/proberts/what-is-a-fatal-dose-of-fentanyl/?showcomments#comment-4092853 ].

    “Misbehavior” denotes “bad, improper, or rude behavior, ill conduct,” as in the parent
    “scolded the children for their misbehavior.” https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/misbehavior How is my comment cross-referencing or posting many-detailed texts “rude” or “bad” like the conduct of a “misbehaving” child? How is my conduct “improper” when it comports with the conduct of good litigating lawyers and law-journal-published law professors (of which I am one) and medical scholars (of which I am one)?

    Your hard-parent or demigod-like castigation appears markedly strange vis-a-vis Unz Review commenters’ peppering their comments with foul language or saying they want to see Blacks lynched or Jews “dancing in the showers” — or vis-a-vis the many other readers’ comments (brief or long) that actually ARE worthless outpourings of mere bias or hate expressed incompetently, even idiotically.

    Since Unz Review comments are censored for about 14 or 15 hours per day, most days (according to my experience of about a year, perhaps longer), I doubt that just one person does all the censoring. My doubt is reinforced by my experience that often when I engage in what YOU have called “misbehavior” or “bad conduct,” I do not receive reprimand and my cross-referencing and longer comments are simply posted expeditiously.

    Only rarely have I experienced my typing-error corrections disallowed (as, I sense, YOU have disallowed them) or my cross-referencing comments barred or decried (as YOU have barred or decried them).

    If I deduce correctly that Unz Review has more than one censor and the other(s) disagree with YOUR opinion of my commenting, then I must wonder what motivates YOUR reactions. More than a few times, I have criticized Ron Unz’s articles and comments severely (though with decorum). Is THAT the explanation?

  212. Anon[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @New Jerusalem ...

    DO NOT LISTEN TO FRAN TAUBMAN AND THEIR ILK. THEY ARE LOST. THEY FOLLOWED BAALZEBUB AND THE FALSE LEAVEN OF THE PHARISEES:

    I thought the nappy-haired little polytheists followed their one true triune god: Isis, Ra, & El?

  213. Art says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Fran — You imprint your Jew evil into your children at a very young age. By five, they are lost for life.

    You Jews abuse your children. You traumatize them with paranoid fears that all of humanity wants to kill them. You drive out natural empathy for others. When political matters come up – the adult Jew mind goes tilt. It cannot countenance any criticism of Jews or Israel. The Jews disingenuous hypocritical nature is obvious and damning.

    Zionism is illegitimate – its precepts pilput.

  214. @geokat62

    Sending love your way for this response Geo, this Loup-Bouc, is a loop de loop. Really makes you appreciate your normal honest enemies, not a dunce pretending to be an intellectual. The worst

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  215. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    …normal honest enemies

    Such words of endearment! I’m blushing, Fran.

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  216. @geokat62

    I knew you would be blushing. I almost included no blushing in my first post. But loopy is annoying.

  217. Sorry Art. The Zionist won. You need to get a dart board and put some photos of Zionist and throw darts. That is what you are left with a dart board and name calling. Islam lost their Jihad against the Jews, disguised as the Jewish displacement of the Palestinians.

    The world was enthralled with the Palestinians as victims issue, always, always pushing an independent land home for the Palestinians, only to discover it was a false issue. The Palestinian peace process was always about delgitimizing Israel in the eyes of the world. Thru boycotts and the UN. They failed. They lost. Peace in the ME will occur by passing the Palestinians. The revised peace process in the ME is the biggest deal to happen since the end of WW2.

    Watch and see. All of Arabia is going to embrace Israel, and peace and prosperity is on the way. The entire region will reconcile, Arabs and Jews will evolve beyond the stagnation and dysfunctional countries. It is only a matter of time. Jihad against the Jews is nothing but nihilistic. How does it feel to be a useless nihilists throwing darts at a dart board Art? You contribute nothing to the world. You are like the Japanese soldier stuck in the woods fighting with his bayonet after the war. No one told him it was over. It is over Art.

  218. @E_Perez

    re: “incestuous Talmud studies in rural Russia”:
    I remember a few articles about Jewish ways which left me with the impression that incest (i.e. some form of intercourse with their own children) is part of their tradition – which (depending on their character) could be emotionally damaging to their children and to themselves. Are you referring to such a tradition?

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  219. TimothyS says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    What is designated by a symbol is pertinent to its meaning, is it not? A mask worn by a jogger in a park doesn’t have the same significance as that worn by medical staff during a surgery. A loathing and mistrust of episcopelians doesn’t have the same significance as fear of Islam in an unveiled French woman walking through a Muslim majority suburb.

  220. Seraphim says:
    @AnonStarter

    Messianic Apocalyptic Dementia is indeed the problem. The true Christian tradition is neither ‘messianic’ nor ‘millenarist’. ‘Messianism’ was the waiting for a warrior king of the Jews who would liberate the ‘oppressed’ Jews from the Roman yoke, crush all the enemies of the Jews with an iron rod, dazzle the world with miracles and put them in command of a terrestrial kingdom of ‘justice, abundance of bread, endless merriment (bread and circus)’.

    [MORE]
    They believed that Jesus would fit the bill and they became terribly frustrated when he refused to be that king (after the feeding of the multitude “those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did, said, This is of a truth that prophet that should come into the world. When Jesus therefore perceived that they would come and take him by force, to make him a king, he departed again into a mountain himself alone”). He told them repeatedly that his ‘Kingdom is not of this world’ and they should repent and change their ways if they want to enter that Kingdom, infinitely better than any earthly kingdom, and the ‘end of times’ means the final Judgement of all Mankind: “Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: 20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: 21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof”.
    Then they declared him an impostor, denounced him to the Romans as a rebel and got him killed. To their horror, he raised up from the dead and ascended to the right hand of the Father, to “prepare a place for his disciples: “Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2 In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also”
    He will come again to judge the ‘quick and the dead’, not to bring about the messianic kingdom that the Jews, the ‘Judeo-Christian’, the ‘Christian Zionists, the Muslims with their Mahdi and jihad, the Bolshevik SJWs, the BLMs, the ‘Save the Planet’ warriors, are longing for, “the house built upon the sand”: Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it. And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine: For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes”.
    The house built upon a rock is obviously the Church.

  221. @Question Mark

    You need to seek help. Could you provide one article about Jewish incest? In case you are beyond normal ignorance about a subject so without controversy i. e. Jewish sexual practices. Let me enlighten you: A huge part of the 10 commandments and the book of Leviticus, with regards to wars with other nations is based on wiping out incest along with beastality, and other perverted sexual practices. The precepts regarding sexual practices with family members is taboo. It is very specific look it up.

    Why don’t you talk to someone with an IQ and reading comprehension of above 80 who could clue you into how remarkably ignorant you are regarding Judaism.

    E-Perez was not talking about sexual practices when he/she used the word incestuous. That word can mean sharing information only within a self selected group of people. A tribal reference for the word incestuous.

  222. GILAD,
    Find an Orthodox priest in England and get baptized. Read Seraphim. Don’t listen to Taubman. Taubman is deluded with her rabbinic nonsense. I read the Talmud. I know what’s there. It’s bubkes mit bubkes as they say in Yiddish. Read the original or read the Soncino edition. Talmudic Judaism is the heresy started by Yohanan ben Zakkai when he penned the eighteen benedictions at the council of Yavneh. Many Jews of great intelligence converted to Orthodoxy. Rabbinic Judaism is deified tradition. There is no Israelite religion without a temple. But the bloodless sacrifice continues in the Orthodox Church. The priesthood continues. As meagre as we are today, we’re still around, two thousand years after the resurrection. The idea that Jews are somehow “special” and that their religion perseveres is different from our perspective. The Orthodox and other Christians believe that God, in His infinite mercy, preserves the stubborn Jews so that they will one day be baptized and believe in their Messiah. The apocalyptic prophecies predict that in the days of the Antichrist, the Prophet Enoch and the Prophet Elijah will return to spread the Gospel. Enoch to the gentile goyim non-Christians, and Prophet Elijah to the Jewish non-Christians. Be baptized Gilad. What is this world??? It ends so quickly. Better to focus on eternity with the Lord than the vanity of this passing world. Zey gezund, NEW JERUSALEM

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  223. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Art

    Christian Zionism is illegitimate – Israel is illegitimate – the JQ jumps out and glares!

    Zionism is not only illegitimate, but manifests grave evil that has caused millions grievous harm, in Palestine and elsewhere in the Middle East and in Europe and America.

    Israel is illegitimate not only because if its Zionism, but also for another, perhaps more important reason. Zionism’s Israel-is-the-Jews’-homeland claim is spurious — as has been Zionism’s and modern “Israel’s” beyond monstrous genocidal terrorism committed against Palestinians.

    For about 1300 years, the Palestine territory had very few Jews because of actions of the Roman Empire and sundry later actions of Christians and, to a lesser extent, Turks and (to an even lesser extent) Arab and Muslim Kurds.

    Modern Israel is NOT a state. Modern Israel has NO international-law right of existence, see, E.G., https://voltairenet.org/article168535.html
    https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2019/03/15/why-israel-has-no-right-to-exist
    https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/10/26/the-myth-of-the-u-n-creation-of-israel

    Jew tribal power is built on two things, an inordinate personal greed for money and status – and an almost instinctive tribal personal paranoia. The pathological paranoia builds tribal unity against all of humanity. Those two defects create defensive rational hate from others. *** How is that Jews have never learned to get along with others?

    The answer is systematic child abuse. Jews abuse their children from birth on, with hateful cultural stories that humanity wands to kill them. This is traumatic for children – by the age of five, this fear is imprinted in their immature brains. …[I]t stays subliminally with them, their entire life. ***

    You present a very interesting analysis I had not encountered previously or, myself, considered. Your analysis fits, inter alia, the Hebrews’ creation of the Exodus myth (a mass-hallucination of an event that never occurred).

    [MORE]

    The “evil,” “ungrateful” Pharaoh would not let Yahweh’s Chosen People go, but deigned to continue “enslaving” and “torturing” them, against the will of Yahweh. Henceforth, all gentiles became Pharaohs. And Jews followed Yahweh’s warning that all gentiles must be feared and resisted, even drowned in a Red Sea of manifest Jewish mass-paranoia that drives, and justifies, Jewish economic predation, even, if possible, Jewish conquest and oppression of the conquered — as Joshua followed Yahweh’s command that he (Joshua) conquer Jericho and Ai and kill every man, woman, child, and non-human creature of Ai and Jericho.

    Such may be the message Passover celebrations inculcate into Jewish children. Such is the message of Yahweh and his religion. Cf. Laurent Guyénot’s excellent Unz Review piece “The Devil’s Trick: Unmasking the God of Israel,” https://www.unz.com/article/the-devils-trick-unmasking-the-god-of-israel/

    But vis-a-vis the real, great complexity of all the history of, and involving, Jews, your thesis begs some questions.

    Hebrews invented Yahweh and his religion. What motivated the invention. What motivates every invention of near all religions that justify, excuse, and, much, explain the predations, conquests, slaughterings, enslavements, and oppressions wrought by many too many human ethnicities, cultures, and societies, even Christian ones, that have justified much more manifest, violent evil than Yahweh’s religion has? Is the motivation inherent in the genetic structures of most of humanity?

    Exceptions have existed, like the 40,000-years-old San (a.k.a. Bushman) society, which, significantly, has no rules or sexual mores and only the “religion” of respecting the environment and the creatures that the San — a hunter-gatherer Kalhari desert society — had no choice but to kill to eat to survive. Exceptions include also quite enough individual ethnic Jews who (like Jesus of Nazareth) did or do not follow Yahweh’s religion or non-ethnic Jews who were raise by followers of a Jewish religion but “strayed” from their parents’ religious beliefs.

    But the San society exception is much more psycho-socially/analytically telling than individual Jewish exceptions.

    In San society, until an infant has weaned itself from sucking from its mother’s breast, ALWAYS, for virtually every millisecond, the mother was in actual physical contact with her infant. If, when necessary, the mother had to release contact, another close relative would substitute and take up constant physical contact with the infant.

    The San had no “property” — except a few little trinkets and implements used for cooking, foraging, hunting, and building shelters. Mostly such implements were more a family’s and the community’s chattels, rather than subject to anything even vaguely like private ownership. And, correlatively, San society was neither matrilineal nor patrilineal. Nor was it either matriarchal or patriarchal.

    Woman gathered and men hunted, only because men hunted better and women were more “emotionally” capable of the toil involved in gathering. Social structure was familial and not hierarchical. Within the family, no one ruled. Child sexuality — all sexuality — was free, non-repressed, though, despite San society had no rules or sexual mores, adults tended NOT toward promiscuity, but marriage.

    The infant-always-in-physical-contact-with-adult “rule” made San society infant-centered, hence, ultimately mother-centered, thence, in a loose fashion, matriarchal — not in the sense that it was woman-ruled, but in the sense that it was mother-centered.

    But very many (not all) primitive societies create religions and gods or supernatural forces that, among else, justify, excuse, or explain those societies acting violently toward other societies, even enslaving or oppressing them. COMPARE, e.g., these sources:

    * Paul Radin, Primitive Religion Its Nature And Origin, ISBN-10 : 1245079727, ISBN-13 : 978-1245079723 (Nabu Press September 11, 2011)
    * Wilhelm Reich, Invasion of Compulsory Sex-morality, excerpted here: https://www.wilhelmreichtrust.org/invasion_of_compulsory_sex-morality.pdf
    * Wilhelm Reich, The Murder of Christ: The Emotional Plague of Mankind, ISBN-13: 978-0374504762, ISBN-10: 0374504768 (Farrar, Straus, and Giroux (1953), excerpted at https://www.amazon.com/Murder-Christ-Emotional-Plague-Mankind/dp/0374504768/ref=pd_bxgy_2/132-8804494-8788735?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=0374504768&pd_rd_r=f9e2a012-76d0-457e-b475-a67c150341d8&pd_rd_w=ZjFDf&pd_rd_wg=xzcyp&pf_rd_p=ce6c479b-ef53-49a6-845b-bbbf35c28dd3&pf_rd_r=R5M1DZEB4BCBQSF3KRN8&psc=1&refRID=R5M1DZEB4BCBQSF3KRN8
    * Wilhelm Reich, People in Trouble (Emotional Plague of Mankind) (Farrar, Straus, and Giroux 1974), ISBN-10: 0374510350, ISBN-13: 978-0374510350, excerpted at https://www.amazon.com/People-Trouble-Emotional-Plague-Mankind/dp/0374510350
    * Wilhelm Reich, The Emotional Plague, https://anarchy.org.au/anarchist-texts/reich-emotional-plague/
    * Wilhelm Reich, THE MASS PSYCHOLOGY OF FASCISM (Orgone Institute Press New York 1946), http://ouleft.org/wp-content/uploads/reich-fascism.pdf

    The last reference — THE MASS PSYCHOLOGY OF FASCISM — does not address only fascist Italy, phalangist Spain, or Nazi Germany, but also, more importantly, Bolshevik and Soviet Russia, in which Jews bore much influence. Note that Reich decried Jewish religions and ALL religions which are critical causes and effects of emotional plague, which is reflected in the worst conduct of Jewry, especially Zionism and Jewish predatory involvement in the finance “industry.”

    Reich urged that the trouble was not religion itself, but repression of natural sexual development of children, thence sexuality of adults, and thence sexuality-related social structures. One manifestation is establishment of patriarchal and patrilineal societies, which, eventually, produced feudal and similarly oppressive structures — hierarchies involving aristocracies that dominated lower castes, the lowest being surfs or slaves or workers, even artisans, considered not even deserving of personal or family names and extensive warring and other mass violence. COMPARE http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/55507.htm

    Contrast the more sexually free societies that did not repress childhood sexuality and formed matriarchal/matrilineal structures that tended not to involve castes or mass violence.

    In pre-White-colonized Polynesia and Melanesia (e.g., the Trobriand Islands, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trobriand_Islands ) and their “primitive” cultures, free childhood sexuality was the overwhelming norm. Adults encouraged, even facilitated, childhood sexuality.

    Trobriand and most Polynesian cultures were NOT male-dominated. In Trobriand and most Polynesian such cultures, women ruled.

    Trobriand, Hawaiian, and Tahitian cultures were both matriarchal and matrilineal. When France colonized Tahiti and began imposing laws tasting somewhat European, initially inheritance was neither matrilineal nor patrilineal, but depended on specific facts of particular cases (almost as if, oddly, the French had created a rudimentary common law for Tahiti).

    Maori culture was not quite matriarchal. But neither was it patriarchal. The sexes enjoyed essential equality politically and most other ways — though labor division was primarily sex-based. Samoan culture was similar, but bore two interesting deviations: The chief was bound to obey his sister, and the men not only gathered most of the food, but also cooked it.

    Trobrianders and most Polynesian societies were happy until they suffered oppression of European and American puritanical morality — according to which, innocent happiness was — and is, still — a sin. But, inter-clan violence marred the Maori realm of Polynesia, where social structure was not purely matriarchal/matrilineal.

    Back to Jews:

    Orthodox Judaism is sexually repressive — greatly so — even sexually cruel.

    The sexual cruelty begins with the mohel’s circumcision of a non-anesthetized neonatal male infant, who screams from horror and pain.

    The sexual cruelty continues, and sexual repression flowers with the oppression of post-pubescent and adult females and repression of their sexuality — by means of denying females choice of mate and mandating that married women cut their hair short or shave it and wear hideous wigs and frumpy clothes, so women may not feel attractive to any man but their domineering husbands.

    The dark irony is that such regime deprives the men, too, of sexual freedom and expression. For, a man cannot have a woman who wants him and whom he wants — or a woman to whom he is attracted or who is attracted to him. In Hasidic or similarly repressive Jewish culture, even boys and men are denied sexual personality.

    As married women must render themselves sexually unattractive (cut or shave hair, wear ugly wigs and frumpy clothes), the men must wear ridiculous black uniforms, beanies (yomulkas), and even black hats like those the Amish wear, and untrimmed beards and little pigtails (called peyot, payos, peyos, or peyois) formed at sideburns. Zero free self expression, especially sexual.

    Women cannot sit with men during religious services or even actually participate in the services — for, women are “inferior” intellectually, morally, “spiritually,” good for bearing children, cooking, cleaning, obeying husband and rabbi, and submitting to the husband sexual wishes, despite he turns or off or disgusts her.

    In the subliminal, if not conscious, perception of Yahweh’s Jewish man, potentially every non-Jew is analogous to the Orthodox Jewish woman. For, those others are not Yahweh’s Chosen Men, not descendants of Adam, but creatures insignificant, morally meritless, and unworthy, as are Orthodox Jewish women, even ALL “mere” women.

    Yes, Art. Jews abuse their children as you suggest, but also sexually, many ways, and even their own adults. What came first? Was the core cause sexual abuse & its eventual religious, then inter-gender, then social, then inter-ethnic/inter-societal abuse? Or was the core cause the invention of Yahweh, then the myth of the Exodus and then the rest, including the cultural paranoia gifted from parent (mostly the father) to child (mostly the male child). Surely, to some extent, those ingredients form a bitter complex stew.

    But, Jews are not alone. Most “civilized” parents abuse their children, very importantly by denying them free sexuality and imposing moral rules on them and denying them free choice OF RISK. And Jews are far from the worst violent or economic abusers of unlike others.

    Witness the Aryans who invaded the Indus Valley & created the caste system and “untouchables,” ancient Egyptians, ancient Greeks, Patricians of the Roman Empire, ancient Teutons, Vikings, Mongols, Magyars, Turks, Lombards, Franks — and the religions of those folks, even Christianity and its “faithful,” which, contrary to the Essene nonviolent teachings of Jesus, have conquered, slaughtered, enslaved, and oppressed more humans than has any other agglomeration of humankind, ever.

    If you research carefully the matter of what ethnic or religious groups are or have been the most physically or economically invasive or oppressive, you will see that Jews are far from the majority. RE: the U.S., see again http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/55507.htm AND the Wilhelm Reich references I put above, especially The Mass Psychology of Fascism.

    So, Art, I suggest you consider judging people according to their actual conduct, not their ethnicities or religions.

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  224. Seraphim says:
    @New Jerusalem ...

    Elijah had already come as the Christ told the disciples:

    “And after six days [six day after “Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God”] Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, 2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. 3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him. 4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias. 5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him. 6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid. 7 And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid. 8 And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only. 9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead. 10 And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come? 11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things. 12 But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them. 13 Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist” (Matthew 17:1-13).

  225. @Seraphim

    But is there not a tradition that “Elijah” in the literal sense will come in the last days? Saint John the Baptist was a “prototype” of Elijah? I read in Orthodox literature that Saint Elijah and Saint Enoch are supposed to come in the days of the antichrist to preach the Gospel. Anyway, this is beside the point. My only hope is that Gilad, having realized the falsehood of the Talmudic heresy, is baptized in Orthodoxy. I know it sounds crazy, but the world is crazier. I know it sounds crazy Gilad. I am not one to preach, sinner that I am. My faith is empirical, which is a problem. I read you are married to an Israeli woman. It is not an obstacle. If you are baptized, it will not affect your marriage according to canon law. You can be a Christian, and your family can remain in whatever faith they are. This is Saint Paul’s teaching (Saul of Tarsus).I know what an ocean you crossed to get to where you are. You have rightly left the heresy of Talmud and Herzl. Maran Yeshua ha-Mashiah is waiting in the boat on Lake Kinneret. Get on the boat Gilad. Stop wasting your time with “Athens versus Jerusalem.” I shall pray for you in my more cognizant moments. Leave “Old Jerusalem” and “Athens.” Come to the “New Jerusalem.” Everything is new in Maran Yeshua ha-Mashiah, as quoted in scripture above. A new heaven and a new earth. Rambam, Ovadiah Yosef, they are all very old and very boring.

  226. @New Jerusalem ...

    read you are married to an Israeli woman. It is not an obstacle. If you are baptized, it will not affect your marriage according to canon law. You can be a Christian, and your family can remain in whatever faith they are.

    Good to know Gilad that your conversion will in no way affect your wife’s ticket to the greatest show on earth. Your wife gets a magic carpet ride on you being baptized.

    You do realize that they make special deals to reel in the perceived big fish?

  227. @New Jerusalem ...

    A new heaven and a new earth. Rambam, Ovadiah Yosef, they are all very old and very boring.

    Nowhere bear ad boring as you. You sound pathetic.

  228. Art says:
    @Fran Taubman

    They had their chance but it was never really about land. It was about Islam defeating the Jews. They lost.

    Oh good — we can stop supporting Israel — happy days!

  229. Kali says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    However, common sense says that wearing any face covering mask protects other people from many
    infectious droplets or aerosols one’s exhalation,especially coughs and sneezes, might otherwise inflict on them.

    Dear Wiz,

    There’s this thing – you may have heard of it – called the “immune system”. Apparently, amongst other things, it protects us from the adverse effects of a whole array of pathogens as we, and it, are exposed to such pathogens in the environment. So, in fact, small doses of a pathogen (such as may be carried in droplets when others respirate) make us stronger.

    On the other hand, wearing a mask, constantly re-breathing your own bodily waste, carries far too much risk to your health to be considered “common-sense”.

    As for coughs and sneezes, do what you’ve always done and cover your mouth. Rude not to, really.

    In the meantime, witness the herding of the masses to accept subjugation to the will of the neoliberal world order. Witness and refuse to be herded!

    Remove the muzzle and breathe freely. Encourage your family and friends to do the same.

    Don’t conform or comply with the “new normal”. Our future is at stake!

    With love,
    Kali.

    • Thanks: Liza, geokat62, Robjil
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  230. @Seraphim

    But aren’t Elijah and Enoch prophesied to arrive in the times of antichrist? I hope Fran Taubman also gets baptized. Isn’t it odd that Saint John the Baptist (Mar Yohannan ha-Matbil) is mentioned in Josephus but nowhere mentioned in rabbinical literature? That’s how the pharisees do it. Censorship.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  231. @New Jerusalem ...

    Don’t hold your breath. No way I am switching teams.

  232. Kali says:
    @AnonStarter

    Hello AnonStarter,

    It’s religion versus reason,

    Yet if reason is the root of faith, …

    But are “religion” and “faith” the same thing?

    I have faith that the sun will rise in the East tomorrow, because such has always been so.

    I have faith that a Divine intelligence ordered the universe, and my place in it, because it makes sense to me, based on observation and experience, that this is so.

    But I do not “believe” that the Jewish prophets affirmed that Devine intelligence or its laws. Rather, I reason that they affirmed a political objective (world dominarion) and codified rules (commandments) toward that end.

    Religion may require faith, but faith does not require religion.

    Best wishes,
    Kali.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
    , @AnonStarter
    , @Art
    , @Art
  233. Art says:
    @Loup-Bouc

    explain the predations, conquests, slaughterings, enslavements, and oppressions wrought by many too many human ethnicities, cultures, and societies, even Christian ones, that have justified much more manifest, violent evil than Yahweh’s religion has?

    Hmm — did that Yahweh boy set the gold standard on tribal killing? “Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”

    If you research carefully the matter of what ethnic or religious groups are or have been the most physically or economically invasive or oppressive, you will see that Jews are far from the majority.
    So, Art, I suggest you consider judging people according to their actual conduct, not their ethnicities or religions.

    I cannot do anything about the Romans – but I can put my 2 cents in about the current scourge – the Jews.

    p.s. Thanks for your informative reply.

    • Replies: @Robjil
    , @Loup-Bouc
  234. Kali says:
    @karel

    In any case the mask will decrease the viral load of the wearer.

    How so?

    If the mask is to prevent the wearer from infecting others with a pathogen by keeping that pathogen inside the mask, then the wearer is forced to re-breathe that pathogen, thus ensuring that his “viral load” at the very least, remains the same.

    In exhaling we expell what the body does not require, including potential pathogens. By wearing masks we force our bodies to hold on to the things which nature designed it to expelled.

    To others advocating the use of masks because they feel it’s “polite” to do so, please be aware that your compliance to the “new normal” narrative, to unlawful “rules” and to the ridiculous notion that we need protecting from a “virus” with miniscule lethality, you condemn the rest of the world to live under the thrall of dictatorial plutocrats with an agenda to dominate, subjugate and enslave the world for their own profit and power.

    Your acceptance of this unimaginably oppressive “new normal” will mean the end of all of our freedom.

    To those who refuse this outward symbol of subjugation, I am deeply grateful for you.

    With love,
    Kali.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @karel
  235. @Kali

    I accept that our immune systems respond in ways and to various stimuli that we only know little about. Curiously, it had occurred to me that what I read of as “pre-immunity” might have helped explain the hugely variable impact of the Covid 19 pathogen on different people. I mean that bits and pieces of the numerous common cold viruses might have tweaked immune system preparedness – although it leaves much to explain.

    As I do not take you to be an expert in the field allow me to doubt that breathing in a bit of what one has breathed out is a problem, even for oneself. My experience of generating a lot more mucus/phlegm over the last few years and my oughing it up and swallowing it has led me to being assured that it isn’t a problem. Obviously one’s phlegm picks up the gunk that one breathes back in.

    I’m afraid that perfect aiming of one’s sneezes into sleeves doesn’t suffice. You mustn’t whistle or sing, and above all don’t laugh.

    In fact, even at my modest rate of walking I need to walk for more than our Stage 4 hour to get up my 10,000 paces and my breathing, even at walking pace, means that I wear my mask only on my chin while making small efforts to raise it if I am to pass close to anyone. Indeed I am impressed by the elegant conformity of the mostly younger people I observe (their masks being colourful and covering mouth and nose, even, quite often, when on the phone.

    • Replies: @Kali
  236. To all BDS supporters and anti Zionist. See below

    AP_20245395674438-750x400

    [MORE]

    Israel and the United Arab Emirates will sign their historic deal normalizing relations at a White House ceremony on Sept. 15, U.S. officials said Tuesday.

    The officials said senior delegations from both countries will likely be led by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Emirati Foreign Minister Sheikh Abdullah bin Zayed Al Nahyan, the brother of the UAE crown prince. The officials, who were not authorized to discuss the matter publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity, said the ceremony would either be on the South Lawn, the Rose Garden or inside depending on weather.

    The ceremony will come just a month after the agreement to establish full diplomatic relations was announced on Aug. 13. The The historic deal delivered a key foreign policy victory to President Donald Trump as he seeks reelection, and reflected a changing Middle East in which shared concerns about archenemy Iran have largely overtaken traditional Arab support for the Palestinians.

    That announcement has been followed by the first direct commercial flight between the countries, the establishment of telephone links and commitments to cooperate in numerous areas.

    UAE has also ended the country’s boycott of Israel, which allows trade and commerce between the oil-rich Emirates and Israel, home to a thriving tech start-up ecosystem.

    The Palestinians have rejected the deal.

    • Replies: @Art
  237. @Kali

    Actually I think the oppressiveness of the Victorian government’s Stage 4 lock down régime lies hardly at all – if at all – in the mask wearing requirement. The curfew, 5km from home limit, one hour for exercise out of home et. are serious limits on freedom whereas mask wearing, which works well for customary users like the Japanese and Koreans, can actually be read as a symbol of the whole community being in it together, not entirely unlike driving only on the legally specified side of the road [1790 something French peasant “who are these bastards in Paris to tell me I can’t drive on the side where the water doesn’t collect?”].

    Also, it is probably a clever bit of legal profiling. We only have about 8000 black Africans in our 5 million here so most young men don’t advertise their probable criminality by their appearance. Bingo! All young men who don’t wear masks can be differentiated easily, leaving older law breakers like me to wheeze our way round the local parks unpestered.

  238. karel says:
    @Kali

    Well, well well. You are assuming that the wearer is already infected but I have not made such an assumption. You are making things up so that you can tell us about ”an agenda to dominate, subjugate and enslave the world for their own profit and power. ” We are already enslaved with or without a face mask, if you have not noticed.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
    , @Kali
  239. @Colin Wright

    “The importing of black slaves to the North American colonies and the violent dispossession of the Palestinians are both rightly called Original Sins from which recovery and absolution is impossible. For 100 marks; Contrast and compare.”

    What might have been! If only WW1 had ended in 1917 with a return to 1914 borders . Even excepting Palestine and allowing for the Brits letting in some Zionist settlers would have been OK. A couple of Arab riots and immigration would have slowed while the immigrants would have fostered prosperity that co-opted quite a bit of Arab support. Which of course wouldn’t have happened with gypsies to name only the most obviously undesirable ethnic group from the hosts’ point of view.

    Just think. The worst preoccupation with and of American Jews that they were getting lazy and no longer bringing in the Nobel Prizes for sciences at the same rate!

  240. Are not Saint Elijah and Saint Enoch supposed to arrive at the end of days??? Gilad, stop messing around. Yeshua ha-Mashiah is the Mashiah, the Chosen One of Israel. The rest is commentary. The Jews (if they are even Jews or not Khazars) missed the boat. Get on the boat Gilad. Athens will end in hell. Only the New Jerusalem will survive ….

  241. @karel

    Kali is a remarkable women an unqualified expert on so many fields. Theological, scientific, and the metaphysical. It boggles the mind how certain she is of her conclusions. I find people who over simply problems that have stumped the most brilliant of philosophers, scientist and religious experts a bit childish. She reads one book and bam!! she’s figured it out. Gravity no problem. Douglas Reed has totally solved the Jewish problem. There are no real Jews in the world, just fake Kahzars. Never mind DNA.
    I don’t want to disparage her too much as she signs her post love. I mean she is sweet. Childish is a kinder description then dumb, but the call to not be subjugated by wearing a mask. I mean come on. How hard is it to wear a mask, when it might save just one life. I am caring for a 91 year old who lives by herself in NYC. I have been tested twice. I shop for her and yeah when I am at her apartment I wear a mask. I do not feel subjugated, I feel very cautious with a high risk person.

    Can you beat this reasoning from Kali, such brilliance and insight. All I can say is why didn’t I think of this.

    But are “religion” and “faith” the same thing?

    I have faith that the sun will rise in the East tomorrow, because such has always been so.

    I have faith that a Divine intelligence ordered the universe, and my place in it, because it makes sense to me, based on observation and experience, that this is so.

    But I do not “believe” that the Jewish prophets affirmed that Devine intelligence or its laws. Rather, I reason that they affirmed a political objective (world dominarion) and codified rules (commandments) toward that end.

    • Replies: @Kali
    , @karel
  242. Seraphim says:
    @Kali

    “Now faith* is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things NOT seen. 2 For by it the elders obtained a good report. Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear”.
    “But without faith it is impossible to please God: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. 7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith”.

    *It is always useful to check all the meanings of words like ‘faith’. See “Strong’s Greek Concordance”:

    pístis (from 3982/peithô, “persuade, be persuaded”) – properly, persuasion (be persuaded, come to trust); faith.
    Faith (4102/pistis) is always a gift from God, and never something that can be produced by people. In short, 4102/pistis (“faith”) for the believer is “God’s divine persuasion” – and therefore distinct from human belief (confidence), yet involving it. The Lord continuously births faith in the yielded believer so they can know what He prefers, i.e. the persuasion of His will (1 Jn 5:4).
    The root of 4102/pistis (“faith”) is 3982/peithô (“to persuade, be persuaded”) which supplies the core-meaning of faith (“divine persuasion”). It is God’s warranty that guarantees the fulfillment of the revelation He births within the receptive believer (cf. 1 Jn 5:4 with Heb 11:1).
    Faith (4102/pistis) is always received from God, and never generated by us.
    Ro 12:3: “For through the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think more highly of himself than he ought to think; but to think so as to have sound judgment, as God has allotted to each a measure of faith (4102/pistis)” (NASU).
    Eph 2:8,9: ” For by grace you have been saved through faith (4102/pistis); and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9not as a result of works, so that no one may boast” (NASU).
    Gal 5:22,23: “22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith (4102/pistis), 23gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.”
    In Scripture, faith and belief are not exactly the same. Faith always comes from God and involves His revelation therefore faith is beyond belief!
    “Faith always pre-supposes revelation” (W. H. Griffith Thomas, Genesis, 55). “Faith is always a response to a divine revelation” (W. H. Griffith Thomas, Hebrews, 143). “Faith . . . both in its initiation and every step of the way, is Spirit given . . . faith is God given” (W. Hendriksen, Galatians, 197).
    “Faith precedes works, and is not something merely deduced by reason of existing” (D. Edmond Hiebert, Thessalonians, 2 Thes 1:11).
    “Faith is always a gift of God” (L. Morris, John, p 520).
    “The basis of faith is God’s revelation of Himself . . . Christianity came to be seen as a faith event” (O. Michel, Dictionary of New Testament Theology).

  243. Art says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Congratulations Frannie – it is all kissy face between you Semites – Arabs and Jews.

    Now we can bring our troops home from the ME and stop supporting Israel – How sweet!

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  244. @Fran Taubman

    ‘We settled that score. We are no longer victims. Don’t really know what you are talking about with the victim card…’

    So…if no one cares the Holocaust any more, why do we keep hearing about it? What’s with the museums and all the books at the library and the required readings of Anne Frank and the endless trials of geriatric ‘war criminals’ and all the rest of it?

    …seeing as how you’ve stopped being victims.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  245. @AnonStarter

    ‘… his implication that the Abrahamic traditions necessarily corral their adherents into a miasma of irrationality that bodes ill for their ability to assist in this regard…’

    Thinking about that seriously, it’s not clear to me that those who don’t adhere to the Abrahamic traditions are any more rational for it.

    The Khmer Rouge? Hindu Fanatics? Some of the worse excesses of the Japanese? Tibetans convinced their amulets would make them invulnerable to British bullets?

    Right now, look at the hysterical nonsense of ‘Antifa.’ Whatever those deranged vermin are, they’re not Born-again Christians. For that matter, Jews just seem to get nuttier as they leave their ‘Abrahamic traditions’ behind.

    Jerusalem may or may not be in eclipse, but I definitely see little reason to assume Athens is in the ascendant. Don’t we just swap the familiar forms of arbitrary authoritarianism for novel but equally unreasonable ones? Can you really have any more of a constructive dialogue with an ‘Antifa’ thug than you can with Fran Taubman?

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  246. Kali says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Good morning Wiz,

    As I do not take you to be an expert in

    Quite right too. I am not an expert, though, because of my lifestyle, outside of “mainstream society and it’s conventions, including a rejection of allopathic medicine, I’ve had to give a lot of thought to natural good health and how to acheive it. My approach in that regard, besides exploring the world of natural remedies for various ailments, becoming familiar with the functions of bodily organs, etc, has been largely common-sensical.

    My experience of generating a lot more mucus/phlegm over the last few years and my oughing it up and swallowing it has led me to being assured that it isn’t a problem.

    You are absolutely correct! In fact I am certain that swallowing ones phlegm is beneficial, as pathogens passing through the digestive system allows the immune system (around 80%of which is contained in the gut) to recognise a potential danger and respond accordingly, by producing antibodies which protect us should those pathogens enter the body in greater quantity and/or by any other means… such as breathing, for example.

    But to continually re-breathe a pathogen which the body is attempting to expell risks overloading the immune system, particularly for the immuno-compromised, the weak and the unhealthy amongst us. Poor diet, physical inertia (sitting at a desk all day for example), dehydration – all of which are part and parcel of modern life practices – all compromise the bodies ability to fight off infection, i.e. compromise immunity.

    I do appreciate that you use a mask out of deference to the fears/concerns of others, who you don’t wish to alarm (or harm). But those people have already been (unnecessarily) alarmed, hence their fear of a “virus” which does not more harm than seasonal flu.

    By using a mask, you signal that 1. their fears are legitimate, 2. that those who induced that fear in them are honest, and 3. that masks are helpful/beneficial.

    And by that act of genuine consideration for such irrational media-induced fears, you consequently accept AND promote this apocalyptic “new normal” which will subjugate us all if we do not reject it entirely right now!

    Better would be to ferment a vat of sourkraut (HIGH pro-biotic, to feed the immune sytem) and share it with your neighbours. 🙂

    By acquiescing to the new-normal practice of mask wearing, we risk EVERYTHING.

    With love,
    Kali.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  247. Kali says:
    @karel

    We are already enslaved with or without a face mask, if you have not noticed.

    Of course I have noticed.

    But if you think things are not about to get a whole lot worse because of this wholy manufactured “health crisis” you are fooling yourself.

    Please do the world a great favour and stop promoting it! Bill Gates (TM) does not require your assistance. Mankind, however, requires your INTELLIGENT response lest its “slavery” to an econimic system which barely serves it’s needs, morphs into ABJECT subjugation to a global empire ruled by psychopaths.

    Your truly,
    Kali.

    • Replies: @karel
  248. Kali says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Childish is a kinder description then dumb

    Oh, Fran, our very own zelot zionist jew who will not bugger off to her “promised land”, how I’ve missed you!

    I console myself with the fact that Portugal is experiencing a huge immigration of jews from PALESTINE since the government here granted automatic citizenship to all and any of “gods chosen” a couple of years ago.

    I have more Jewish friends now than ever before, 80% of whom are very lovely people.

    And better that they are here, living a simple life, than in PALESTINE, committing genocide!

    And better that you are here, on UR, spouting your jingoistic Zionist shite and dehumanising Palestinians, than in PALESTINE dancing on their graves!

    With fond regards, love and affection,
    Kali. 😀

  249. Robjil says:
    @Art

    The unique thing about Jewish rulers of our time is that they can not be seen – Notsees.

    Our Notsee rulers are not allowed to be seen as rulers, it is anti-Semitic to see them. On the other hand, they must be seen as the biggest “victims” ever in entire history of mankind.

    Rulers as victims is the biggest scam in the entire history of humanity.

    If this scam continues, people will descend back to the animal kingdom. Since, any speech is a potential danger to our Notsee rulers. Thus, speech will soon be the most feared thing of all. People will learn to grunt again like animals, since grunts can’t be deciphered as “hate speech”.

    • Replies: @Art
  250. @Kali

    I have a friend who continues in retirement to do a lot mostly from England, for Indian girls education. His much younger second wife is into homoeopathy and alternative medicine in a big way and you may not be surprised to learn that, hearing of our excessive lock down in Victoria, she wrote me a friendly email with which, I think, you would be in near perfect sympathy. However let me respond to your accusing me of promoting or supporting people’s unnecessary fears by saying that it is lucky I do nothing of the kind because uncomfortable breathing when exercising at large means that my mask is only round my chin😉

    I think you are wrong BTW in your comparison of Covid 19 with flu. It seems to have a death rate several times as high. At least it would be irresponsible to deny that many experts have arrived at that calculation.

    • Agree: Fran Taubman
    • Replies: @Kali
  251. @Colin Wright

    Ask the historians., I am clueless. All the survivors in my family have passed, so no one really talks about it anymore. Not that we ever did when they were alive. Anne Frank is a human interest story as she was a budding preconscious writer. Talented beyond her years. No one I knew discusses the holocaust except the deniers here on UR. The state of Israel was the Jewish determination to stop being the victims. That is the whole point. But you always miss the real point of situations, and continue to remain clueless.

    Watch and see what happens in the ME in the coming year. Spoiler alert: Israelis will not be booking planes to JFK. If you need water and are experiencing a drought and do not have enough water for your nation, you are flying to Israel to sign up for desalinization equipment. Israel is the leader of the world. Just one of the many technologies the world needs from Israel. No more so then the failed countries in the ME who need technology, tourism and economic growth. No Colin the plane tickets around the world will be going to Israel. Sorry you just do not get what a successful and needed country Israel has become. And sad to say everyone has moved on from the dreaded Palestinian issue with the dead baby photos and blood and gore all a big lie.

  252. @Art

    No worries Art, you Jew hatred will march on no matter what. You could care less about Palestine or anyone one else. You are a Jew hater, because hating is what keeps you going, without it you might curl up and die. No other life force propels you but hatred. Irrational stupid hatred.

    • Replies: @Art
  253. Kali says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    However let me respond to your accusing me of promoting or supporting people’s unnecessary fears by saying that it is lucky I do nothing of the kind because uncomfortable breathing when exercising at large means that my mask is only round my chin😉

    Sorry Wiz, I didn’t mean it to read like an accusation! More a warning regarding the signal it sends.

    I’m pleased you wear it round your chin! lol

    I won’t go into all of the ins and outs re “covid deaths” here (we can both read and understand the various arguments, and I’m sure you have already), but I will say, question the diagnosis..!

    Fond regards dude,
    Kali.

    P. S. Does your friends wife have the initials MM and live in the south west of England by any chance. – A looooong shot, but you never know.. 🙂

  254. Kali says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Anne Frank is a human interest story as she was a budding preconscious writer. Talented beyond her years.

    You do know her father wrote the book/diary attributed to her don’t you Fran?

    Love,
    Kali.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  255. @Fran Taubman

    ‘… Sorry you just do not get what a successful and needed country Israel has become…’

    That’s pretty funny. Imagine a world without Israel.

    Still, I imagine we’d find some other way to spend the money if we weren’t defrauded of it. Arguably, we’d just start wars on our own. It’s even possible we’d find another ‘ally’ to attack our ships, bomb our overseas facilities, suborn our public officials and institutions.

    But it would be nice to do it on our own…without that helping hand from Israel.

  256. @Kali

    You’ll note that I refer to a “means by which to order our affairs such that we maintain a semblance of peace on earth.” It was not my intention to discuss the variant perceptions of that means, but rather, to state that affirmation of its divinity — in part or in whole — does not necessarily preclude one’s emancipation from what Mr. Atzmon calls “the current tsunami of crude apocalyptic religions.”

    But you’ve introduced a dichotomy between faith and religion that is, for all practical purposes, something of a false dilemma, as faith must be accompanied by some means of realizing it.

    Presupposing that God is, I do not maintain that He would withhold from us a means of personal, familial and societal guidance, including — but certainly not limited to — an option of defense against those seeking to destroy us. Before questioning this, it would be prudent to note that only a committed anarchist seeks the complete abolition of armed security forces, be they local, regional, or national. And once they’re gone, it’s every man for himself. (I, for one, don’t believe many “peace” activists think this scenario through to its logical conclusion.)

    Now, as I told Seraphim above:

    I’m not unsympathetic to the view that particular religious dispositions — which cut across the spectrum of faith traditions — may, in fact, betray a pathology which inhibits the kind of reason necessary to bring about a better world for present and future generations given the current challenges we face.

    Zionism, a clear departure of Temple Israel from the guidance it was originally given by God, fits this description. This reality, however, does not preclude faithful Jews from deriving wisdom from the Decalogue or Proverbs or Psalms to their own benefit and to that of humankind.

    Zionism is not alone in this. Indeed, every house of faith has been host to myriad charlatans.

    But they’ve also nurtured luminaries who would leave us that much poorer had they lacked both faith and the means of realizing it.

    • Replies: @Kali
  257. @Colin Wright

    Jerusalem may or may not be in eclipse, but I definitely see little reason to assume Athens is in the ascendant. Don’t we just swap the familiar forms of arbitrary authoritarianism for novel but equally unreasonable ones? Can you really have any more of a constructive dialogue with an ‘Antifa’ thug than you can with Fran Taubman?

    Since some type of authority is inevitable, it’s incumbent upon humankind to take pains to select it prudently and control its excess. Authority is able to abuse its power only because its subjects have not taken measures to prevent it from so doing.

    And taking those measures is a burden. It is not one that most of us are willing to shoulder, which is why we’re usually relegated to grievance rather than action.

    Even Athens sentenced Socrates to death, so it’s not as if direct democracy is anything more than mob rule.

    You’ve conjured an interesting image, though. Fran and an antifa thug, consigned to a jail cell … the first one to persuade their captors of the truth of his position earns his freedom.

    • Thanks: Fran Taubman
  258. @AnonStarter

    Such vindictiveness is proof that my ideas must really annoy you as tangible truths you cannot defeat. I would not ponder about either one of you in a jail cell with an Antifa thug. Why would I? I do not think about either of you nearly as much as you think of me. Especially Colin. I doubt Kali can respond to your post. Way over her head. She is sure that her new found religionless spirituality is the eureka of happiness. Like she is the first to discover it.

    • LOL: Kali
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  259. @Kali

    Were you there in hiding with the Franks Kali? What proof do you have other but some slops gossip idea. Never been proven.

    • Replies: @Kali
  260. You’ve conjured an interesting image, though. Fran and an antifa thug, consigned to a jail cell …

    Mom Demands Answers after Son Beaten to Death in Jail
    https://www.wltz.com/2020/09/07/mom-demands-answers-after-son-beaten-to-death-in-jail/

    New details are emerging about what happened inside the Muscogee County Jail early Saturday morning when Eddie Nelson was allegedly beaten to death by his cellmate Jayvon Hatchett. Nelson was picked up for a probation violation on September 1st and then housed with the hate crime suspect. . . .
    Jayvon Hatchett, the suspect accused of stabbing a white Auto Zone worker after watching police shootings on Facebook. According to court testimony, Hatchett wanted to kill white people after watching those videos of police brutality and was ordered to undergo a mental health evaluation.

  261. Art says:
    @Fran Taubman

    No worries Art, you Jew hatred will march on no matter what.

    Poor little Frannie — she is in a mental prison foisted on her by her elders – she is forever locked into aggressive confrontation by her sick culture. They intentionally and with malice, misinterpret and misread honest natural rational human disgust – as hate. It is the Jew tribe who hate – they project their hateful child like paranoid feelings onto others – they thrive on being disliked. See the relish Frannie has for conflict and confrontation.

    Hate can lead to physical hurt – look at Palestine/Israel. I am a Christian who wants peace – not a raving maniac. Calling for the end of the idea of fascist Zionism is rational and moral. Unlike you I do not believe in an “eye for an eye” – at the proper time I will forgive you Jews.

    It is true that I never let you off the rhetorical hook – that I always remind you of your Zionist misdeeds – sorry (smile).

  262. Art says:
    @Kali

    But are “religion” and “faith” the same thing?

    Here is an interesting article on the subject of God, religion, and faith.

    Unconscious learning fosters belief in God, study finds

    Sept. 9 (UPI) — People who unconsciously predict complex patterns are more likely to hold a strong belief in God — a god who creates order in an otherwise chaotic universe — according to research published Wednesday.

    “Belief in a god or gods who intervene in the world to create order is a core element of global religions,” Adam Green, an associate professor of psychology at Georgetown University, said in a news release.

    https://www.upi.com/Science_News/2020/09/09/Unconscious-learning-fosters-belief-in-God-study-finds/9091599651763/

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  263. Talha says:

    Mr. Atzmon, thank you for introducing this very interesting individual, Mr. Leibowitz, to (at least) myself. I’ll read up a little bit more on him, it looks like he has a page dedicated to him at the Stanford site for philosophy:
    https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/leibowitz-yeshayahu/

    Peace.

  264. When the christian anglosaxons created modern zionism and the Israel project, the aim was to populate Palestine with an intensely patriotic race.

    This as a colonial bridgehead possibly for further expansion.

    Thus what the article discusses, pretraumatic stress disorder was to an extent a desired feature from the point of view of the british geopolitical planners.

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    And presumably different from what would have emerged had the jews been in it alone.
    In that case they would probably have opted to create business ties and not completely onesided.
    In short they would have tried to establish some degree of mutuality for their own sakes.

    The idea to coopt the jews for Britains indended empire was probably first considered in the 1500s.
    In the 19th century it became increasingly, due to rivalry with Russia and France, a pressing urgency.

    At least it looks like the british were quite desperate. They invented British Israelism which claimed that the anglosaxons and celts were the true israelites, the lost tribe.

    And it didnt become less urgent when around 1905 oil was discovered in Arabia and the british navy soon switched from coal to oil as fuel.

    Anyway I think this mystification of the jews which permeates the altmedia has to do with historical ignorance.

    See, there was another party involved!

    And that party was very active in agitating the jews into a radicalised state.

    Suffices to name Orde Wingate, one very odd figure but remembered by the pioneering generation.

    The british were on both sides agitating both arabs and jews against each other.

    Encouraging both to do harm to each other.

    That kind of influence is part of the picture but, I suspect that it also reflects most of what has happened since then.

    I suggest that the anglosaxons have never for a second wished to bring down tensions around Israel but instead always encouraged aggression and punished peaceful moves.

    From all sides they needed to manipulate but perhaps more from Israel which was more amenable for manipulation due to both economical dependence and due to christian zionist influence,

    The kind of solutions the anglosaxons want are such as to create more problems longterm.

    Christian zionism is craving for an apocalyptic war so it makes sense that they want lasting tensions.

    Seems I am a bit negative.

    Unfortunately there is a lot more that wouldnt brighten up the picture and that I didnt mention.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  265. Art says:
    @Robjil

    The unique thing about Jewish rulers of our time is that they can not be seen – Notsees.

    Our Notsee rulers are not allowed to be seen as rulers, it is anti-Semitic to see them. On the other hand, they must be seen as the biggest “victims” ever in entire history of mankind.

    How true – an excellent point.

    Traitor Steny Hoyer is an example – the number two Democrat in the House. He is a gentile who shepherds new congressmen to Israel to be indoctrinated in Zionism 101. If a Jew did this, it would raise eyebrows.

    (He is going to hell.)

    • Thanks: Robjil
  266. @AnonStarter

    ‘… You’ve conjured an interesting image, though. Fran and an antifa thug, consigned to a jail cell … the first one to persuade their captors of the truth of his position earns his freedom…’

    What a choice.

    …can we lynch the antifa after he beats Fran and gets out?

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  267. @Fran Taubman

    ‘@AnonStarter
    Such vindictiveness is proof that my ideas must really annoy you as tangible truths you cannot defeat. I would not ponder about either one of you in a jail cell with an Antifa thug. Why would I? I do not think about either of you nearly as much as you think of me. Especially Colin. I doubt Kali can respond to your post. Way over her head. She is sure that her new found religionless spirituality is the eureka of happiness. Like she is the first to discover it.’

    So many enemies, Fran. You can’t even pick just one. You sure that Dale Carnegie course was a good investment?

    …and Fran, you do not require thought. Lot does. Aaron sometimes merits a brief pause. You?

    It’s like playing chess with the four year old.

    • Agree: AnonStarter
    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  268. @Art

    ‘Sept. 9 (UPI) — People who unconsciously predict complex patterns are more likely to hold a strong belief in God — a god who creates order in an otherwise chaotic universe — according to research published Wednesday.

    “Belief in a god or gods who intervene in the world to create order is a core element of global religions,” Adam Green, an associate professor of psychology at Georgetown University, said in a news release.’

    …or they choose to subscribe to conspiracy theories. While there are certainly unseen actors, your more elaborate and improbable conspiracy theories are obviously a substitute for God for those who can no longer make themselves believe in Him.

    Things just aren’t all that well-run. If only it all was a giant conspiracy theory. Then we could all rest assured that like the stock on any other well-run ranch, we would be properly fed and watered before we were sheared.

    …but we haven’t even that consolation. If anyone is in charge, they’re spectacularly incompetent.

    • Thanks: Art
  269. Aren’t Saint Elijah and Saint Enoch coming to preach the Evangelion in the days of antichrist??? Seraphim, please help …

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  270. Art says:
    @Kali

    It’s religion versus reason,

    Yet if reason is the root of faith, …

    But are “religion” and “faith” the same thing?

    From antiquity on, three thoughts have been more or less constant in the minds of man. That there is a god – that life itself is interrelated – and that we each are unique individuals.

    Science has proven that the last two are undisputedly true. Maybe the collective wisdom of the human mind should not be dismissed. Maybe the idea – God – has merit. If the last two proved true – why not give credence to the first notion?

    Logic also says that everything has a beginning. Science agrees.

    Why not assign the beginning of the universe to its creator – God. What can it hurt?

    Killing each other over God, has to be the stupidest thing humans have ever done.

    • Agree: Kali
    • Replies: @geokat62
  271. @Colin Wright

    So do you like spending so much time with a four year old. I don’t get why you bother? Sort of sad that you can’t play with the big boys and girls and have to spend time with me.
    Ask yourself. Who would want to play chess with a four year old? LOL. Such a hopeless case Colin. Live in your fantasy world where you are a legend in your own lunch box.

  272. @Colin Wright

    …can we lynch the antifa after he beats Fran and gets out?

    Safe to say they’re both doing life.

  273. Seraphim says:
    @New Jerusalem ...

    The Scriptures talk only about Elijah and only in relation to John the Baptist:

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    “For he [John] shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother’s womb. 16 And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God. 17 And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord” (Luke 1:15-17).

    Jesus said twice that John the Baptist was the ‘Elijah’:
    “Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. 12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force. 13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. 14 And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come. 15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear” (Matthew 11:11-15).
    “And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come? 11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things. 12 But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them. 13 Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist” (Matthew 17:1-13)”. And that after the Transfiguration when the Father spoke “This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him” and Jesus Moses and Elijah talked to Him.

    The identification of the unnamed two witnesses of Revelation, who are said to only ‘prophesy’ (not to preach the Evangelion at the end of times – it was already preached to the ‘ends of the world’ when Revelation was composed), with Elijah and Enoch was made only in apocryphal apocalyptic writings of a Judeo-Christian messianic-millenarist millieu, where from it seeped into the writings of some early Christian writers.

    But we must keep in mind that ‘the cosmic battle between Christ and ‘antichrist’ is being fought and won in the present.
    The ‘antichrist’ was present in the time of Christ! And is permanently with us.
    “Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son” (1 John 2:22). And 2 John will insist that “the deceiver and the antichrist” is the one who does “not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh” (2 John 7).
    “Whoseoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. 5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?” (1 John 5:1-5).

    • Replies: @New Jerusalem ...
  274. geokat62 says:
    @Peter Grafström

    … the british geopolitical planners.

    Hey, Pete. Do us a favour and give The Controversy of Zion a read to see the importance of the role in which these british geopolitical planners were cast in terms of “ creating modern zionism,” lol.

    • Replies: @Peter Grafström
  275. geokat62 says:
    @Art

    Logic also says that everything has a beginning. Science agrees.

    The early Greek philosophers generally believed that the universe (and therefore time itself) was infinite with no beginning and no end.

    http://www.exactlywhatistime.com/philosophy-of-time/ancient-philosophy/

    New quantum theory says universe has ‘no end and no beginning’

    https://inhabitat.com/new-quantum-theory-says-universe-has-no-end-and-no-beginning/

    • Replies: @Loup-Bouc
    , @Art
  276. @geokat62

    Sorry geokat, Douglas Reed was a great guy but did not have the access Carroll Quigley later obtained and that most of you still havent cared to learn about.

    Or appreciate the meaning of.

    And even if he knew more, Reed might not have wanted or dared to expose the british control over the US.

    Did you ever consider that possibility, that he was very useful for diverting attention from Britains enormous control over the US beginning around 1909?

    [MORE]

    I am not accusing him of deliberately working for such a purpose but he simply didnt have full access so I give him the benefit of my doubt about simply having made an honest mistake or if he knew more of having feared serious reprisals.

    After all Carroll Quigley explained in 1974 that this subject was dangerous even at that late date.

    As you probably know his book about the angloamerican establishment written in the late 40s couldnt be published until 1981.

    Had Reed known the full story he would have understood that the whole zionist project in its modern realisation was just one out of several radical movements (communism nazism islamism) launched mainly in Britains geopolitical interests.

    The jews were an important partner for the british empire but mainly as long as they were closer to Britain than to Britains rivals.

    When that condition was not fulfilled the jews would be more of rivals than partners and that is the reason why, later, the intelligent british elites calculated that they needed to counteract jewish assimilation among Britains rivals.

    It was such undermining operations by Britain that made the jews join zionism long after the anglosaxon christians had mounted it.

    So counteracting jewish assimilation and underlining Britains closeness by pushing the British Israel myth about anglosaxons and celts was part of the clever plot.

    The emergence of the first draft of The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Sion in 1858 happened to coincide with Bismarcks negotiation with the Rotschilds.

    And the prescient content of that document in its final version is most easily explained by the fact that the british elites knew how they intended to exploit their jewish partners.

    And the intention to coopt the jews may be spotted long before the Rotschild era in the words of sir Francis Drake in the 1500s when he was raving about London as the new Jerusalem.

    When Cromwells puritans set sail for their colonial enterprise the zionist aspect was a necessary feature for imperial purposes so the jews would be closer to Britain than to Portugal Spain and somewhat later Holland.
    Despite Spain having expelled the jews they still played a role in their trade.
    But presumably as converts so Britain had a better chance to coopt them.

    The Rotschilds were important members of a much larger group of aristocratic british elites who conspired for world power.

    Intelligent greedy bankers know they cannot handle everything.

    To ‘populate every inhabitable part of the world with anglosaxons’ doesnt sound like there would be much place for the jews does it or any other nationality or ethnicity apart from anglosaxons.

    So it is a slightly divergent and distributed collective effort and an academic intelligentia has played and continues to play an important role.

    Not to speak of the journalism!!!

    You can find many interesting facts on the web from honest americans about the extent of Britains control, which they have provided on the web in recent years. About the Pilgrim society and its important connection to most everything that matters it seems.

    There they also present some interesting details about less discussed members of the Rotschilds.
    But it isnt the singleminded picture many altmedia consider being the full story.

    But knowing how websites suddenly are taken down for telling truths I am a little hesitant about linking.

    My motive for writing the comment was as is often the case that Britains crucial role is neglected by most of you. But I have no negative opinions about the british population.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @anonymous
  277. Kali says:
    @AnonStarter

    Hi AS,

    In your earlier comment you say:

    Yet if reason is the root of faith, what do we make of such a dichotomy? In reflecting upon the intrinsic miracle that is existence, is it unreasonable to conclude that God is? That He would provide for us means by which to order our affairs such that we maintain a semblance of peace on earth? Is it similarly unreasonable to perceive that the Hebrew prophets affirmed God as well as His Law?

    Whilst it is NOT unreasonable to assume that God would provide guidance so that we maintain peace on earth, it is unreasonable to assume that such guidance is not hard-wired into our very being, and would instead gift a selected few with a code which serves to divide “believers” from “non-believers”, sect from sect, religion from religion, nation from nation…

    I’ve mentioned in the past on this forum, the “externalisation of God” which the Abrahamic religions tend to specialise in (God as some exclusively external other, with whom one may have a relationship, but from whom one is separated, at least until the death of the body, when one might be renunited with “him” in his heavenly house).

    Yet it is my experience and observation that God is found at the very core of our Being. – When we quietly go within in meditation, when our mind-chatter subsides and falls away, when we are fully conscious and alert, though unmoving in mind, then we have a direct experience of God, and in that experience we discover that we ARE peace.

    In that direct experience of God, in which most religious authorities intervene to place themselves and their doctrine, one discovers ones true, Divine nature, which is inherently “of god”, and therefore peaceful.

    So, yes, I do agree that we are gifted a means by which we may achieve peace on earth, but I disagree on the mode by which that gift has been given to us.

    But you’ve introduced a dichotomy between faith and religion that is, for all practical purposes, something of a false dilemma, as faith must be accompanied by some means of realizing it.

    But your assumption is that the means given is religion.
    But I recognise a very different means (which may even be called “religiousness”, but which is not “religion”).

    In order to KNOW God, one may seek guidance, inspiration, wisdom, insight, between the pages of many religious and non-religious books, but it is only though exloring or examining such wisdom within ones own being, which necessitates KNOWING ones own being, that one comes to know God (which is intrinsic to being) and appreciate (or not) the wisdom and insight offered by such books.
    (N. B. The books are not crucial, but knowing ones self is.)

    OK, now we get to the more dense part of your comment. Let’s see…

    Presupposing that God is, I do not maintain that He would withhold from us a means of personal, familial and societal guidance, including — but certainly not limited to — an option of defense against those seeking to destroy us.

    Was it not the “prophets” who set the stage by which man seeks to destroy man today? Was it warring religions that carved up the world as we now know it for the glory and honour of their respective religions, even though they claim to worship the same god!? (Ref’ “the big 3)

    What if the world were to abandon those religions and instead go within to discover the Truth of God at the heart of Being?
    Who, if not those religious orders, would set out to destroy what God has brought into being?

    Your underlying assumption seems to be that it is people, and not religions, which seek to destroy one another. And whilst there may be some truth to the notion that miss guided men, who know not what they do, may seek the destruction of others, or that men, for their own gain, will do so, predominantly those men are led by their religious convictions abd assumptions, or a belief in their own “rightousness”.

    Currently on this planet, Judaism, Christianity and (to a lesser, or less visible, extent) Islam pose the biggest threat to all of us. because each of them claims God as their mandate.
    How might we defend ourselves if/when the religious sects start dropping nuclear bombs? What guidance do the bibles, quorans or talmuds offer us for the insanitity they themselves countenance?

    Before questioning this, it would be prudent to note that only a committed anarchist seeks the complete abolition of armed security forces, be they local, regional, or national. And once they’re gone, it’s every man for himself. (I, for one, don’t believe many “peace” activists think this scenario through to its logical conclusion.)

    What good are your security forces right now in the US, where 3 months of rioting continues on?
    Self defence and local militias are all you have.

    But that chaos is not anarchy!

    Anarchy is Self Rule, and as such it begs the question “who am I/what am I?” Exploration of such questions brings the seeker to a closer understanding of the nature of ones being, and thus to a knowing of God, of ones Innate Divinity…. and peace!

    But until the scourge of the mono-god religions has demonstrated to the world that they do not re-present God, and are thus wholy rejected, the world will not know peace, nor anarchy.

    Zionism is not alone in this. Indeed, every house of faith has been host to myriad charlatans.

    But they’ve also nurtured luminaries who would leave us that much poorer had they lacked both faith and the means of realizing it.

    True. Religious practice can and does, in some cases, lead one to a knowing of God, to understanding, to illumination/enlightenment, but they (rekigions) are not the exclusive means by which it may be achieved.

    In the meantime the world faces a most uncertain future thanks in no small part to the claims of religious leaders and prophets to speak with the authority of “god””.

    I know that you are a practicing Muslim AS, and sincerely do not wish to offend your religious sensibilities with what I write, but to attempt to untangle the mess we are all facing right now – due in large part to the predominance of religious dogma, which destroys the Peace of God.

    With love,
    Kali.

    • Agree: Robjil
    • Replies: @Talha
    , @AnonStarter
  278. Kali says:
    @Fran Taubman

    He admitted it, Fran. He used ball-point pens to write it after the war.
    Use your famous “interlectual heft” to operate the search engine of your choice.

    When you’ve done that, check out my reply to AnonStater; you’ll LOVE it! 😀

    <3
    Kali.

  279. geokat62 says:

    Say hello to Sue Berelowitz:

    Never heard of her? Me neither.

    Apparently, she was the UK’s former Deputy Children’s Commissioner who helped cover-up the Pakistani nature of the grooming gangs in Rotherham and other cities.

    She caused controversy in 2012 when she wrote a report in the wake of high-profile abuse cases in Rochdale and Rotherham denying there was a growing number of Asian grooming gangs.

    Despite finding that more than a quarter of perpetrators known to the authorities were Asian, Miss Berelowitz said there was no evidence to conclude that there was a particular issue with Asian gangs.

    Instead, her report – branded ‘hysterical’ and ‘highly emotional’ – said simply that abuse is carried out by men of all backgrounds.

    https://alt-right.com/2020/05/26/uks-former-deputy-childrens-commissioner-who-helped-cover-up-pakistani-nature-of-grooming-gangs-was-jewish-wench/

    According to this article by The Jewish Chronicle, she’s had to seek police protection for her attempted cover up.

    Excerpts from, Police protecting me from antisemites, says abuse inquiry head Sue Berelowitz:

    The former Deputy Children’s Commissoner for England has revealed how she was a victim of antisemitic abuse.

    According to the Daily Telegraph, Sue Berelowitz, who leads the government inquiry into sex abuse, said police were having to patrol to protect her after she was subjected to “vile” insults on social media.

    Speaking at a talk on antisemitism by historian Simon Schama at the Hay Festival, Ms Berelowitz said: “I am a Jew who is doing work that’s very difficult right now because I’m inquiring into the sexual abuse of children and I’m facing the most vile anti-Semitic attacks on social media – ‘filthy Jewish b****’.”

    A defiant Ms Berelowitz added: “I stand here as a Jew who will not give up Jewishness and who will not give up standing up for victims and will continue to live in my neighbourhood because the police are having to patrol to keep me safe.”

    https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/police-protecting-me-from-antisemites-says-abuse-inquiry-head-sue-berelowitz-1.66914

    Destroy a peoples’ homeland, don’t expect them to be overjoyed.

    • Thanks: Robjil
    • Replies: @Kali
    , @karel
  280. geokat62 says:
    @Peter Grafström

    Had Reed known the full story he would have understood that the whole zionist project in its modern realisation was just one out of several radical movements (communism nazism islamism) launched mainly in Britains geopolitical interests

    It was such undermining operations by Britain that made the jews join zionism long after the anglosaxon christians had mounted it.

    So launching Zionism was deemed to be in Britain’s strategic interests and it was mounted by AS xians and not Zionist Jews?

    Who knew!

    • LOL: Kali
  281. anonymous[309] • Disclaimer says:
    @Peter Grafström

    Old age affecting my memory.
    I thought Lyndon LaRouche died last year.

    @geokat62

    So launching Zionism was deemed to be in Britain’s strategic interests and it was mounted by AS xians and not Zionist Jews?

    —FDR surrounded by zionists intent on and successful in destroying the British empire.

    —Explains how zionists savaged British troops protecting the Mandate — lynching British forces, bombing K David Hotel … til British skedaddled.

    Ya
    Right

    • Agree: Robjil
    • Replies: @Peter Grafström
  282. Talha says:
    @Kali

    But until the scourge of the mono-god religions has demonstrated to the world that they do not re-present God, and are thus wholy rejected, the world will not know peace, nor anarchy.

    This sounds nice in theory, but Christianity is not all that old in the grand scheme of things and Islam’s final message is even younger. My reading of history doesn’t reflect too well on pagan cultures providing peace…unless you mean the Pax Romana that some places witnessed. It may well be argued that imperial conquest is simply more efficiently applied by monotheistic cultures based on their general record against pagans, but they certainly didn’t initiate it nor was it an exclusive practice of theirs.

    A cursory reading of the history of South America is recommended in this regard.

    Exploration of such questions brings the seeker to a closer understanding of the nature of ones being, and thus to a knowing of God, of ones Innate Divinity…. and peace!

    I believe there is an implicit assumption that everyone will come to the same conclusions about that Divinity and what the answers are to those existential questions. Because, if the answers are divergent…well, we are back at square one and now – instead of a handful of religious divergences – we have millions of divergences.

    There is also an implicit assumption that followers of various religious traditions did not explore such important internal questions themselves. Mr. Atzmon mentions one such Jewish person in the Orthodox tradition, Christians have plenty of these people as well (everyone from early Church fathers to more recent men like Kierkegaard and even the late Alvin Plantigna), Muslims have many of these men including many of the Sufi-scholars like Shaykh Abdul-Qadir Jilani (ra), Shaykh Ibn Arabi (ra), Imam Rabbani or Sirhind (ra), etc.

    For instance:
    https://www.sunypress.edu/p-2586-the-self-disclosure-of-god.aspx

    Now, they may not have come to the same conclusions as each other or you – but that is after all the nature of this type of exploration. But I see no reason to have confidence that stripping away a religious framework will lead to more unity on this front (again, see my earlier point).

    In the meantime the world faces a most uncertain future thanks in no small part to the claims of religious leaders and prophets to speak with the authority of “god””.

    It also faces an uncertain future due to unbridled capitalism in an increasingly secular, materialistic world.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Kali
  283. @Kali

    The ball point pen? That was debunked years ago. Why don’t you google it. The larger point is for someone so existentially spiritual with a deep down love of never never land, why don’t you read her diaries. She was an amazing writer describing at 13 starting womanhood, attractions to men, her periods, hating her mother etc. If you read it you would understand how no man could ever write about a 13 year girl in that manner. The diaries are profound not because of the Nazi bullshit, because they are brilliantly written. If Anne Frank had lived she would have been a major writer. The other sad thing is that she gave up after her sister died of Typhoid, or scabies or whatever. She gave up just a week before her camp was liberated.

    With regards to your response to AS. Was that written in english? Because like all your writing it is not readable in any known language. Unreadable. Sometimes I know you have your husband fill in for you. But I do not think this time.

    The claims as if volume 4 of Anne Frank’s diary had been written by the ballpoint pen and accordingly, it had been fabricated are not true. The authenticity of all parts of the diary has been proved, whereas the trace of ballpoint pens and identical fake news are part of Neo-Nazi propaganda. 
    * The authenticity of Anne Frank’s diary was proved in 1986
    The Diary of Anne Frank was written by a Jewish girl while in hiding for two years during the Nazi occupation of the Netherlands in 1942-1944. Anne Frank died in 1945 and her diary was published in 1947 upon permission from her father, Otto Frank. There are three versions of Anne Frank’s diaries: original, raw reflections, the second version rewritten by Anne Frank and the third version prepared by Otto Frank for publishing. 

    Shortly after Anne Frank’s diary was published, an anti-Semitic campaign was unleashed against it, which even cast doubt on the existence of Anne Frank. The Neo-Nazi forces had been trying for years to prove that Anne Frank’s diary was fabricated; however, in 1986, the Dutch government proved its authenticity following thorough research and forensic examination. The glue and fibers used in the binding of the diaries were analyzed by infrared spectrometry. Both were found in common use when Frank wrote her diary. The paper used in the diary was examined by X-ray fluorescence and found to have been manufactured between 1939 and 1942. Frank’s handwriting was closely analyzed by experts, as were specimens of her writing and those by her classmates. In 1990, the court in Hamburg ruled that Anne Frank’s diary was authentic.
    * Where has the ballpoint myth originated from?
    The conspiracy theory about the ballpoint myth originated as far back as the 1980s, when the Neo- Nazi groups claimed that ballpoint corrections were made to the diary using black, blue and green inks, which did not exist until 1951. The origin of the “ballpoint myth” is the four-page report that the Federal Criminal Police Office (the Bundeskriminalamt or BKA) published in 1980. In this investigation into the types of paper and ink used in the diary of Anne Frank it is stated that “ballpoint corrections” had been made on some loose sheets. It was not the BKA’s task to cast doubt on the authenticity of Anne Frank’s diary, but rather to report on all the texts found among the diaries, and therefore also on the annotations that were made in Anne’s manuscripts after the war. The “ballpoint myth” is based on the simple fact that, around 1960, two annotation sheets with ballpoint writing were inserted between the original pages. These texts were written by a graphological researcher, and are not included in any edition of the diary. In July 2006, the BKA found it necessary to state in a press release that the 1980 investigation in no way challenged the authenticity of the diary and the myth was largely driven by misinterpretations picked up by Neo-Nazi groups.

    https://www.annefrank.org/en/anne-frank/go-in-depth/authenticity-diary-anne-frank/

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  284. @Kali

    There is also an implicit assumption that followers of various religious traditions did not explore such important internal questions themselves. Mr. Atzmon mentions one such Jewish person in the Orthodox tradition, Christians have plenty of these people as well (everyone from early Church fathers to more recent men like Kierkegaard and even the late Alvin Plantigna), Muslims have many of these men including many of the Sufi-scholars like Shaykh Abdul-Qadir Jilani (ra), Shaykh Ibn Arabi (ra), Imam Rabbani or Sirhind (ra), etc.

    For instance:
    https://www.sunypress.edu/p-2586-the-self-disclosure-of-god.aspx

    Now, they may not have come to the same conclusions as each other or you – but that is after all the nature of this type of exploration. But I see no reason to have confidence that stripping away a religious framework will lead to more unity on this front (again, see my earlier point).

    Bingo!!!
    Other great, great thinkers in and out of each religion has tackled the questions you are challenging in religion and god as outside ourselves. Believe me you could make a career out of studying this. That the fact that you believe your exploration to be virgin territory, like the light bulb went on for you and if you could only get everyone else to see the light the world would be free, is just too much to take. Like you discovered the wheel on your own and are trying to tell us about it. We have all been there and done that Kali. Wake up and realize that only children and narcissist believe that their world is the only world.

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  285. @Fran Taubman

    ‘… She was an amazing writer describing at 13 starting womanhood, attractions to men, her periods, hating her mother etc…’

    I’m skeptical that Anne Frank was particularly remarkable.

    First off, of course, I have no respect for your opinion. But also, I read her book at some point, and it left no impression at all beyond mild boredom. Then too, my very intelligent daughter was compelled to read it in school andloathed it. Finally, she’s deified by all the wrong people — you, for instance.

    So that’s the available evidence of any value. I don’t think she was the Jewish Carson McCullers.

    She’s really more like the Thanksgiving turkey. Perhaps good enough in its way, but about day five, it starts to pall. We’ve been fed it too much.

  286. @Fran Taubman

    ‘… Like you discovered the wheel on your own and are trying to tell us about it. We have all been there and done that Kali. Wake up and realize that only children and narcissist believe that their world is the only world.’

    I see no evidence at all that you’ve been there, Fran.

  287. Kali says:
    @geokat62

    Outrageous!
    How do these people keep a straight face?

    Thanks Geo.

    • Thanks: geokat62
  288. 9/11 perps Where are they now/NWO? FORMER NYC MAYOR GIULIANI CALLS HADASSAH HOSPITAL A BLESSING http://hadassahinternational.org/former-nyc-mayor-giuliani-calls-hadassah-hospital-a-blessing/ Cottage CEO has high profile away from work https://www.vnews.com/Cottage-Hospital-CEO-Calls-Herself-a-Human-Rights-Activist-30158698

    But Lund confirmed that Ryan had visited Albania in July and had written an opinion piece in September for The Hill. Giuliani has ties to The Hill’s Republican owner, Jimmy Finkelstein, a friend who raised funds for Giuliani’s failed 2008 presidential bid.

    Ryan’s piece in The Hill, titled “Women are crucial to resisting Iran’s regime,” said that Ryan and other “sponsored” speakers attended the annual conference of the National Council of Resistance of Iran and visited Ashraf 3, home to members of the Mujahedin-e Khalq political movement. So much evil on all sides…. So do Israelis get injured by terrorist ordinance??? and it is true that at least 50% of Iranians do not like their government and under Islam women are mistreated…. but 9/11 was so over-the-top has caused so much death and destruction. Why is the United States the Great Satan a form of The Beast System and a form of the whore of Babylon…. why do we back wars and the dirty work of the New World Order…. reference again Albert Pike’s Plan for 3 world wars….. What would happen if Iran just Surrendered to Israel??? Is the plan to have Iran become another Iraq??? One of the biggest PSYOPs is that worldwide we have to all fight each other… The money powers always set up the wars. Still asking back in the 600s did the Babylonian/Bagdad Synagog of Satan posing as Jewish money powers actually back Abu Bakar and establish Islam??? Just asking I do not know.

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  289. @Kali

    So, yes, I do agree that we are gifted a means by which we may achieve peace on earth, but I disagree on the mode by which that gift has been given to us.

    The disagreement is artificial, as we can’t divest Abrahamic religion of the method of self-discovery you set forth. Certainly, God is closer to us than our jugular vein; yet any understanding of Him that is consigned to the self is, by definition, self-centered.

    But your assumption is that the means given is religion.

    Not an assumption, a conclusion following the very same process of introspection to which you refer: all is one, everything a reflection of that oneness like separate reflections of the sun upon millions of dewdrops scattered across a morning meadow. As such, God is present everywhere, both within and without, and it is not in keeping with His compassion to leave us bereft of guidance on how to approach the world beyond our self.

    One result of everyone relying upon himself to find God has been ably addressed by Talha:

    I believe there is an implicit assumption that everyone will come to the same conclusions about that Divinity and what the answers are to those existential questions. Because, if the answers are divergent…well, we are back at square one and now – instead of a handful of religious divergences – we have millions of divergences.

    This is actually a good description of today’s world: those without religion — and even many professing religiosity — all have their own brilliant ideas about the path to or away from God, perpetually diverging from the other until pure cacophony overwhelms us.

    Of course, such dissonance is all fine and good provided you’re not Jewish; otherwise, you’re a self-loathing menace who must be relegated to the outer reaches of oblivion.

    Your underlying assumption seems to be that it is people, and not religions, which seek to destroy one another.

    Not an assumption, an observation. Like it or not, we’re feral predatory omnivores, the most dangerous game on the planet. Human savagery is going to exist as long as we do, with or without religion.

    And whilst there may be some truth to the notion that miss guided men, who know not what they do, may seek the destruction of others, or that men, for their own gain, will do so, predominantly those men are led by their religious convictions abd assumptions, or a belief in their own “righteousness”.

    Certainly.

    And yet, it’s erroneous to conclude that the motives underlying every manner of physical conflict can be necessarily distilled into something evil. You yourself have just implicitly testified to the chaos that ensues when the efficacy of an internal security force breaks down, which means that, given certain circumstances, you identify a need for potentially lethal force.

    Now what predicates your acknowledgement of such a need if not a conviction in the correctness (a.k.a. righteousness) of it?

    To conclude, the “Abrahamic religions are the greatest scourge of the world” trope just doesn’t hold up to close scrutiny. It’s a leftover mantra of the faux revolutionary left who confounded itself with the conundrum of moral relativism generations ago and remains to this day incapable of providing a sense of existential security that might serve as a superior substitute for organized religion.

    • Thanks: Colin Wright
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  290. Kali says:
    @Talha

    This sounds nice in theory, but Christianity is not all that old in the grand scheme of things and Islam’s final message is even younger. My reading of history doesn’t reflect too well on pagan cultures providing peace… It may well be argued that imperial conquest is simply more efficiently applied by monotheistic cultures based on their general record against pagans, but they certainly didn’t initiate it nor was it an exclusive practice of theirs.

    I’m sorry, Talha, but I fail to see the relevance of any of these points in relation to what I wrote.

    As for “paganism” it’s such a very broad term that it’s hard to get a handle on which “pagan” people your talking about… or why, really, given that it wasn’t under discussion.

    See: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paganism
    (Interesting, but unrelated to the conversation at hand.)

    Because, if the answers are divergent…well, we are back at square one and now – instead of a handful of religious divergences – we have millions of divergences.

    Billions in fact. Each respected by all because of the very nature of the self-inquiry which leads to the discovery of the nature of God which lies at the heart of each Being.

    There is also an implicit assumption that followers of various religious traditions did not explore such important internal questions themselves.

    There is no such imincite assumption on my part. In fact I explicitely say:

    True. Religious practice can and does, in some cases, lead one to a knowing of God, to understanding, to illumination/enlightenment, but they (rekigions) are not the exclusive means by which it may be achieved.

    Now, they may not have come to the same conclusions as each other or you –

    The astonishing beauty of divergent understanding, which brings the world music, poetry, art, literature… and peace.

    But I see no reason to have confidence that stripping away a religious framework will lead to more unity on this front (again, see my earlier point).

    To “strip away” the framework upon which countless billions of people fasten their lives and their understanding of God would be DEVESTATING and hugely destructive! I most certainly do not wish to strip anyone of anything!
    Rather I would like to see that framework naturally fall away as people discover their own true nature and, in doing so, discover that they have no need of such frameworks… or maybe even choose to continue with certain religous practices. Let sentient and enlightened people choose for themselves.

    But the organisers of those organised religions, the cardinals, imams and rabis – the keepers of the secrets of the prophets, the liars and charlatans, the witting perverters who would knowingly place themselves between man and God…. the high initiates of secreted satanic cults. I’d strip them away in a heartbeat, leaving honest church-goers, practisioners, priests, lay-readers… free of there evil influence.

    It also faces an uncertain future due to unbridled capitalism in an increasingly secular, materialistic world.

    Secularism may be increasing, but the religious origins of the fuck-up we now must face and deal with is undeniable.

    Please understand Talha, that none of this is personal. I am questioning the nature of your religion, the purpose and uses of it on a broad scale, but I am not imputing you, or your choices. This is no kind of personal attack.

    Neither your religion, nor your beliefs, nor either of the other two religions, nor any ones beliefs about God, are going to fix the mess we are in.
    Only a knowing of (not a “belief” in) God can change anything for anyone. The more who come to that knowing, the more peace the world will know.

    Your religious beliefs do not prevent or preclude such a knowing, but the religious organisation (and the men who keep them in place) which offer those beliefs as truths will do. As will the others.

    They will not relinquish their grip on mankind until a suitable replacement is found, as per the Protocols of Zion.

    But that’s a whole other tangent, and I’m sure there’ve been quite enough of them already!

    With love,
    Kali.

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  291. Art says:
    @geokat62

    Logic also says that everything has a beginning. Science agrees.

    The early Greek philosophers generally believed that the universe (and therefore time itself) was infinite with no beginning and no end.

    Geokat62,

    I am in no intellectual position to personally argue Entropy and the universe.

    But there must be ten thousand articles on thermodynamics and the heat death of the universe.

    Of course there is zero proof that there is a God, that set the universe in motion. It just seems logical.

    Art

    p.s. May I say again – going to war over God – is stupid!

  292. Kali says:
    @Fran Taubman

    With regards to your response to AS. Was that written in english? Because like all your writing it is not readable in any known language. Unreadable. Sometimes I know you have your husband fill in for you. But I do not think this time.

    Oh, Frannie, you are so funny! “not readable in any known language” I thought was particularly good. 😀

    I wish I could get hubby to fill in for me with something! Be nice if he cooked once in a while, or washed up.
    But there’s no way he’d fill in for me on here – he couldn’t bring himself to write all the soppy shit I write!

    Still, I think at least one reader got the jist, so that’s something. 🙂

    Good night Fran.

    Love,
    Kali.

  293. @Colin Wright

    You are no literary critic. Anne Frank’s diary was heavily censored to appeal to a non literary audience, a human interest Holocaust story, when in reality it was a literary story. It was literature.There were many additions I do not know which one you read. This from the New Yorker, a lengthy article on the subject. Anne Frank was 13 years old, and you got to know her intimately. What was your writing like at 13? Your writing now is just pretentious goobly gook. Carson McCullers would agree with this assessment.

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1997/10/06/who-owns-anne-frank

    If Anne Frank had not perished in the criminal malevolence of Bergen-Belsen early in 1945, she would have marked her sixty-eighth birthday last June. And even if she had not kept the extraordinary diary through which we know her it is likely that we would number her among the famous of this century—though perhaps not so dramatically as we do now. She was born to be a writer. At thirteen, she felt her power; at fifteen, she was in command of it. It is easy to imagine—had she been allowed to live—a long row of novels and essays spilling from her fluent and ripening pen. We can be certain (as certain as one can be of anything hypothetical) that her mature prose would today be noted for its wit and acuity, and almost as certain that the trajectory of her work would be closer to that of Nadine Gordimer, say, than to that of Francoise Sagan. As an international literary presence, she would be thick rather than thin. “I want to go on living even after my death!” she exclaimed in the spring of 1944.

    But the diary in itself, richly crammed though it is with incident and passion, cannot count as Anne Frank’s story. A story may not be said to be a story if the end is missing. And because the end is missing, the story of Anne Frank in the fifty years since “The Diary of a Young Girl” was first published has been bowdlerized, distorted, transmuted, traduced, reduced; it has been infantilized, Americanized, homogenized, sentimentalized; falsified, kitschified, and, in fact, blatantly and arrogantly denied. Among the falsifiers have been dramatists and directors, translators and litigators, Anne Frank’s own father, and even—or especially—the public, both readers and theatregoers, all over the world. A deeply truth-telling work has been turned into an instrument of partial truth, surrogate truth, or anti-truth. The pure has been made impure—sometimes in the name of the reverse. Almost every hand that has approached the diary with the well-meaning intention of publicizing it has contributed to the subversion of history.

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  294. @Colin Wright

    There are many other assessments about Anne Frank being a brilliant literary writer and how misunderstood the way the story played out as a holocaust story.

    Over the past 50 years, Anne Frank of Amsterdam has become an emblem of the innocence and brilliance that was destroyed by the Holocaust. Her diary is read and quoted around the world by youngsters, statesmen and scholars alike. But novelist Francine Prose says it’s time the diary was appreciated as literature — not just as a historical document.
    In her new book Anne Frank: The Book, The Life, The Afterlife, Prose examines Frank’s tremendous literary gift, as well as her maturity and insight.
    “Among the things that’s so extraordinary about the book is her unbelievably mature and balanced view of human nature,” Prose tells Scott Simon.

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  295. Kali says:
    @AnonStarter

    I’m going to have to come back to your comment tomorrow, AS, but straight off just want to clarify that God is not “contaned” by the self (nore by anything!) but that the NATURE of God can be discovered within ones Being.

    Also, the second someone, anyone, reduces God to a masculine entity, a “him”, they confine and separate the All of Everything FROM the all of everything!

    So it is not me who attempts to confine God, but you (because of your religious indoctrination).

    But it’s past my bedtime now. I’ll read and respond to the rest of your comment tomorrow.

    Much love,
    Kali.

  296. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Anne Frank was 13 years old, and you got to know her intimately. What was your writing like at 13?

    What a coincidence, Fran. Speaking of Franks, Mary Phagan was also 13 when she died. But since we never got to know her intimately, we’ll never know what her writing was like at 13, will we?

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  297. @ImaBotKnot

    Some groundback…. https://www.aish.com/jl/h/cc/48949881.html The oldest and most stable of Jewish communities was spared the ravages of holy warriors. Things went from bad to worse ― with the Reish Gelusa executed at one point ― as Babylonia became embroiled in civil war and as the Byzantines continued their encroachments…… In the midst of this chaos, the Moslem conquest of the Middle East in the 7th century brought unexpected benefits to the Jewish community in Babylon. ….It must be made clear that up to this time, Jerusalem had no special significance to Muslims. During his lifetime already, Mohammed had changed the direction of prayer to Mecca, and the Koran does not mention Jerusalem even once! …..Possibly out of concern that the magnificent Christian holy sites in Jerusalem would attract Moslems to Christianity a connection was later made between Islamic tradition and Jerusalem through the story of Mohammed’s midnight ride ― which is recorded in the Koran in Sura 17-al Isra(2) ― In that dream, Mohammed rides his flying horse, El Burak ― a steed with the body of a woman and the tail of a peacock ― to the “farthest place.” The farthest place in Arabic is El Aksa. There he meets Jebril (Gabriel) and goes up to heaven for a forty-day sojourn, meeting all the prophets and talking to Moses and Jesus etc.(3)…..The Omayyad leadership decided that the farthest place (El Aksa) had to be the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. And that the center of the Temple Mount, where a huge stone protruded, must be the spot from which Mohammed ascended to heaven…..ndeed, when Omar defeated the Persians and took over Babylonia, he immediately re-instituted the authority of the Reish Galusa to head the Jewish community. As a matter of fact, Omar was so fond of the Reish Galusa ― Bustenai Ben Haninai ― that when he himself decided to marry the daughter of the Persian king, he insisted that Bustenai marry her sister. Thus in a bizarre twist of fate, the Reish Galusa became brother-in-law to the caliph.

  298. @anonymous

    Your sarcasm is completely misplaced

    You are a bit naive to think the british elites wouldnt sacrifice their own soldiers to produce an impression.
    The common people were never in on the plot and the same thing of course holds true on the other side among the jews.

    You know the British began at the latest in the 1830s (not 1930s!) to backstab the jews in order to corrall them into zionism. It took time but eventually the British got them in the sack.

    Some of the backstabbing wasnt hidden but consisted in recruiting jews as activists which were noted by other nations. And that kind of backstabbing obviously means that some of the jews were guilty themselves of having given their brethren a bad name.

    Still, they were running Britains dirty errands and diverted attention away from the british masterminds like Palmerston.

    I hope the germans will eventually expand on everything about this subject because they have taken it all onto themselves. And the victors have completely obfuscated the history including most of the 19th century.

    Do you realise that the british sacrifised some 256 thousand casualties counting both sides despite Britain deliberately aimed to loose the battle of Gallipoli?

    Churchills and Kitchener had no intention of assisting the Russians to give them the straits out from the black sea.

    However they aimed to make the Russians believe they made an honest attempt at it and that was made plausible by that enormous waste of human life.

    And the russian minister Samsonov swallowed it and didnt make the separate peace with Germany on the eastern front that Britain feared.

    So there you have an example of to what lengths the british elites are willing to go just to fool their ‘ally’ and everyone else. Docherty & McGregors ‘Prolonging the agony…’ provides the details in a convincing account

    And the british elites did not want Israel to be too independent and didnt want to look like they were too biased in their favor.

    And the people on the ground presumably werent in on Britains devious scheming and didnt want to alienate the arabs too much. And I dont know if some of the british were insiders and knew the whole story but there surely were several who didnt need to pretend anything but just wanted to hold the promises to the arabs.

    The big guys are a different matter, they play a different game high above our heads.

    The union jack is mostly red. The right colour for a Fox!

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  299. geokat62 says:
    @Peter Grafström

    The union jack is mostly red.

    Not for much longer!

    Redesign the Union Jack: the winners

    David Cohen: The Union Jack remains one of the most distinctive and striking flags ever designed, and it immediately symbolises the United Kingdom. Therefore my design is evolutionary rather than revolutionary. The brown and black areas represent West Indian, Indian and Pakistani British citizens, while the darker purple is taken from the West Indian cricketing flag. The blank Blue Ensign signifies Britain’s long colonial history; the pink stripe is a mischievous historical reference to the pink bits on the map.The light green, red and yellow stripes are a reminder of Britain’s history in Africa, Asia and other parts of the world, while the darker green and orange stripes are specific references to Ireland and India. I am a member of the internet’s Flags of the World (FOTW), and I based my design on the Union Jack image at FOTW created by Antonio Martins

    David Cohen, journalist and vexillologist
    Perth, Australia

    https://access-socialstudies2018.cappelendamm.no/binfil/download2.php?tid=2320586&h=89ea68209fed5a353a9cbc8b94415e2a&sek=2261907

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  300. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Art

    This text supplements my comment of September 8, 2020 at 2:21 am GMT (comment # 230).

    (1)

    In my comment of September 8, 2020 at 2:21 am GMT (comment # 230), this sentence appears:

    Israel is illegitimate not only because if its Zionism, but also for another, perhaps more important reason.

    In the phrase “not only because if its Zionism,” the term “if” ought to be the term “of,” hence “not only because of its Zionism.”

    (2)

    My same above-referenced comment closes with this language:

    …I suggest you consider judging people according to their actual conduct, not their ethnicities or religions.

    That language is a bit ironic, since I am a near-purely misanthropic curmudgeon who perceives that homo sapiens is mostly (if not near-wholly) a psychopathic species — one of perhaps just two, the other being the chimpanzee, the male of that species.

    I contemn ALL religions. But I have witnessed manifest goodness — MINDLESS good acts — even among followers of evil or largely evil religions — Sunni and Shiite Muslim, Orthodox Hebrew, Roman Catholic, Greek Orthodox (and other closely similar sects), sundry other Christian sects (Methodist, Lutheran, Calvinist, Baptist, Mormon, Amish, Society of Friends……..), Jehovah’s Witness, Hindu, Buddhist (except Ch’an & Zen)……..

    Still, I urge you cease judging humans according to their ethnicities and religions, but only according to their actual conduct — their particular acts (non-verbal and verbal).

    [MORE]

    Even today, slavery is not rare in Islam. In much of Islam, women are little more than slaves. Allegedly, China has pressed its Turkic minority into quasi slavery. Jews are not the slavers or slave-owners.

    Slavery existes still in the United States and its territories. It occurs much in the clothing industry. Many culprits are non-Jews, like 1995-2003 House Republican Whip, Tom Delay (non-Jew, French descent), his sidekick Dick Armey (descendant of non-Jew English aristocracy & non-Jew Scotch/Teutonic MacFarland clan (of which one family was surnamed Gutschlag, as was Armey’s mother) — all non-Jews — and the law firm Preston Gates Ellis & Rouvelas Meeds, a pseudo-aristocrat gentile firm.

    India still has “untouchables” — who, when not effectively slaves, are equal to dirt. Gandhi — a Hindu of “Aryan” descent — sought to end India’s caste system and raise “untouchables” to equal members of a casteless society. But when Gandhi told his loyal wife he had pledged himself to celibacy and would not make love with her again — so that she was consigned to being his dutiful quasi servant — he did not tell her he had taken a male lover with whom he (Gandhi) engaged in sodomy and fellatio for most of the rest of his (Gandhi’s) life.

    Fraud — a kind of rape — is a flagrant symptom of manifest greed. Fraud is worst when — like Gandhi’s fraud — the victim is a loyal spouse or loving friend. Gandhi was not a Jew.

    The Rothschild family and its firms are among the worst of “money-changers.” But so are non-Jew Lloyds of London and its “syndicates” and prominent members, like now-deceased George Rowland Stanley Baring, 3rd Earl of Cromer, former Governor of Bank of England.

    Though aptly called a giant vampire squid, the astronomically evil Jewish firm Goldman Sachs is equaled by non-Jew, rapacious Chase Bank, which consumed other rapacious non-Jew firms, e.g., JP Morgan, Chemical Bank of New York, Manufacturers Hanover Corporation, Texas Commerce Bank, and Washington Mutual.

    Chase Bank has had some Jews in its management, including a Chair of JP Morgan Chase International. A Jewish firm negotiated the merger of Chase Bank and Bank of Manhattan.

    But neither a Jewish officer nor a Jewish merger-negotiator makes an Anglo-Saxon bank Jewish, just as an Hispanic management-employee does not make Hispanic a firm started and run by WASPS — just as Goldman Sachs is not a gentile firm because it has White gentile, East Asian, and Black management employees. (Goldman Sachs touts its “diversity.”)

    Back to Jews and good and evil:

    Jesus — an Essene — was an ethnic Jew. His core (Essene) tenet was: Love all sentient creatures; do not hurt, enslave, or oppress ANY sentient creature — except “money changers,” who epitomize greed, the ultimate evil, which causes or explains ALL other wrongs. Greed? I mean not only money-greed, but also power-greed, resource-greed, fame-greed, adulation-greed, social-status-greed, land-greed, rabid lust…….

    Jesus — an Essene — would defend himself and others from evil acts, NOT from others’ ethnic origins or religious beliefs. During Jesus’s life, many Jews adopted the way of Jesus.

    Roman Church sources claim all 12 Apostles were Jews. https://www.stcatherinercc.org/single-post/2018/05/30/Were-all-the-twelve-Apostles-Jews Other Christian sources insist all Jesus’s “earlier followers were Jews.” https://www.christiancentury.org/review/books/jesus-earliest-followers-were-jewish-too
    https://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/handle/1/10861143/Cohen_PartingWays.pdf?sequence=2%E2%80

    Be like Jesus. Do not hurt, enslave, or oppress ANY sentient creatures — even Jews, except Jews who manifest flagrant greed, and also like-greedy non-Jews. Treat others according to their actual acts, NOT their ethnicities or religious affiliations. [I confess, however, that when I know a person is a Sunni or Shiite Muslim or a “Christian” who craves Armageddon and “The Rapture” or an ultra Orthodox Jew (like Hasidim), I feel a tiny chill and worry.]

    (3)

    In my same above-referenced comment, I wrote:

    For about 1300 years, the Palestine territory had very few Jews because of actions of the Roman Empire and sundry later actions of Christians and, to a lesser extent, Turks and (to an even lesser extent) Arab and Muslim Kurds.

    I ought to have added this observation. When, in the late 1800s, European Jews began migrating to Palestine, the current Israel was not Jewish land, but the land of native Palestinian people [farmers, shepherds, goatherds, bedouins, small business proprietors…….] who had inhabited Palestine peacefully for centuries.

    Nineteenth Century, early 20th century, and pre-WWI Palestinians did not oust Jews from Palestine. Others did — largely about 1700 years ago (by Rome), then 1258 years ago (by Arabs), then near-entirely about 810 years ago, when the Seljuq Turks and their allies took Palestine and then waves of European Christian “Crusades” and related Christian/Turkic-Kurdish-Muslim wars reduced the Hebrew/Judaic population to near-zero or actually none.

    Until WWI killed the Ottoman Turk Empire, the current “Israel’s” land was Ottoman Empire territory. Migrating European Jews had, and have, zero claim that Palestine’s natives had taken the land by conquest and ousted Jews, near all of whose Hebrew forebears had not been present in Palestine for about 1300 years, or at least for about 810 years.

    I stress “Hebrew” forebears, because many Jews are not Judaic (not descendants of the Jews of Judea), but Persian or Khazar (Khazar Empire Turk, Avar, Mongol, Magyar, “White Oghur,” or Slav) or……. Also, very many Hebrew-descent Jews are not ethnically “pure,” but an ethnic mix that includes one or more of Europe’s many gentile ethnicities.

    The post-WWI British Mandate did not give the British a legal right or prerogative that could validate, per any international law, Britain’s permitting the massive European Jewish immigration of the period separating WWI and WWI. Palestinians had lived in Palestine for centuries. The European Jewish immigration was an invasion, not an entry of people entitled to reside in Palestine or claim Palestine land.

    The British had their Palestine “Mandate” to keep peace, NOT to alter demographics, land-holding, and domestic political-power-distribution by permitting a rather massive — 99,806 Jews — 1920-1929 period immigration of ethnically/culturally/religiously alien people. https://unispal.un.org/DPA/DPR/unispal.nsf/0/AEAC80E740C782E4852561150071FDB0

    The British Mandate’s pro-Zionist action has not been ratified or legalized by any United Nations action or any other act of international law. See, e.g., https://voltairenet.org/article168535.html
    https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2019/03/15/why-israel-has-no-right-to-exist
    https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/10/26/the-myth-of-the-u-n-creation-of-israel

    Most — even near-all — of Israel’s Jews are invaders occupying Palestinian land illegally. Such is true even of Jews born in Israel; for, were they honorable, they would leave — especially because Zionist Jews had slaughtered hundreds of innocent Palestinians and expelled, violently, many, many thousands, to purloin native Palestinians’ land by terrorism and illegal conquest.

    Had not the British Mandate commenced the invasion and prepared the invasion’s post-WWII massive enhancement, surely Palestine and its Palestinians would have allowed some Jewish immigration, just as Palestinians had permitted before WWI. But the decision was legally and morally the Palestinians’, not Zionism’s or that of Britain or the United States (or Nazi Germany, which, for a time, encouraged and supported a Zionist invasion of Palestine).

    Near the close of the 19th century, Zionist Jewish settlers transgressed and some violent Jewish-Palestinian clashes occurred, But, generally, between about 1880 and 1917, Palestinians did not object to trickles of Jewish immigration. The current Palestine horror is the responsibility first of the British Mandate and Zionism, then the responsibility of Western Europe and the United States. (I include Germany and Austria in “Western Europe.)

    Now, threatening to “annex” more Palestinian land, Israel is continuing to bulldoze West Bank Palestinian homes and displace the Palestinian occupants per the outrageous pretext that the homes were not built with Israeli building permits. Such is the GREED that Jesus, an Essene Jew, condemned. But evil Yahweh loves his Chosen People.

  301. @Kali

    ‘… To “strip away” the framework upon which countless billions of people fasten their lives and their understanding of God would be DEVESTATING and hugely destructive! I most certainly do not wish to strip anyone of anything!
    Rather I would like to see that framework naturally fall away as people discover their own true nature…’

    Either (1) you relish the prospect of a singularly dystopian future, or (2) you have a singularly optimistic notion of the average person’s ‘own true nature.’

    Most people (not me, of course) are actually better off for a basically benevolent but clear and firm guiding hand of some sort. They always will be.

    That — however depressing the fact — is the way it is.

    Curiously, about the closest humanity has ever approached to the utopia you envision would be the US, circa 1800-1850. A pretty nutty place — but people did roll their own. You could do whatever you liked — bearing in mind that in consequence, your neighbors could always do what they liked and hang you from the nearest tree.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
    , @Kali
  302. @Fran Taubman

    ‘A real tear jerker Geo.’

    Mary Phagan was merely a schicksa. How can you compare her to the blessed Frank, Jewess and child prodigy extraordinaire?

    …the irony is that all the posthumous bumph aside, there’s nothing actually wrong with Anne Frank — any more than there was anything wrong with Mary Phagan (although Fran might differ — she did corrupt a Jewish male).

    It’s just all the horseshit that gets to be a bit much.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  303. @Fran Taubman

    In principle, it would be redundant — but we need a ‘not worth responding to’ button.

  304. @Colin Wright

    It’s such a stupid comparison. Did Mary Phagan watch her sibling die a slow death of typhoid from scabies? Did Mary live hiding in an attic for two years eating potatoes? Did her mother starve to death in a death camp?

    The only thing they have on common is that Mary Phalan was killed by a Jewish man named Frank. It’s like saying my dog is black, so he must be a descendant of slaves.

  305. @Colin Wright

    You sound dumber then Kali which is really really hard to do.

  306. What is truly and inarguably apocalyptic for all of humanity is the matter of nuclear waste. There is no solution. It is a fatal and unavoidable reality. Do you seriously believe that the governments will admit it? They admit nothing! Nothing could possibly explain such reckless gluttonous behavior other than that they all know that the end is near because we have reached peak nuclear waste and they all collectively decided to make the most of it like the roaring 20’s on steroids, and then go out with a bang. The amount of reckless abandon and mistakes and deception could not have any other rational excuse. 

    Any victory would be a hollow and false victory, since the issue of nuclear waste is inslovable. That is not to argue in favor of the status quo. Just fair warning to all so that they may realize the uglier truth that is hiding behind the ugly facade. It is inconquerable. People, nations, corporations, banks can be conquered. Nuclear waste can never be conquered. 

    Andrea Iravani

  307. @Fran Taubman

    Counting Cynthia Ozick (the author of your New Yorker piece) two and half of the three authors you cite as praising the sheer genius of the Blessed Frank are Jewish.

    What are the odds?

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  308. @Fran Taubman

    ‘It’s such a stupid comparison. Did Mary Phagan watch her sibling die a slow death of typhoid from scabies?’

    No, she got raped and strangled afterwards.

    Tough call, Fran. You pick.

  309. @Fran Taubman

    ‘…The only thing they have on common is that Mary Phalan was killed by a Jewish man named Frank. It’s like saying my dog is black, so he must be a descendant of slaves.’

    My, Fran. Even by your standards that’s a stunner. It’s like a smorgasbord of inanities, non-sequiturs, inadvertencies you couldn’t possibly have meant, and simple misspellings — and all in just wo sentences.

    Oh, where to begin?

    Maybe I’ll just contemplate it. It’s kind of a Yosemite of idiocy. Why ruin its majesty with analysis? Let’s just admire it.

    …how can you be this stupid? It’s like a kind of inverse genius. I’m genuinely amazed. Obwandiyag et al simply can’t compare. This is Olympic-grade stuff. Does anyone give prizes?

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  310. @Colin Wright

    Either (1) you relish the prospect of a singularly dystopian future, or (2) you have a singularly optimistic notion of the average person’s ‘own true nature.’

    I dunno is singularly the correct word here. Similar to the use of the word relish You do that a lot with verbs, adverbs and adjectives. Apply it all so thick you can pretend you are saying something. I use relish on my vegan burgers.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  311. @Colin Wright

    Counting Cynthia Ozick (the author of your New Yorker piece) two and half of the three authors you cite as praising the sheer genius of the Blessed Frank are Jewish.

    What are the odds?

    What are the odds that the people who think (a) Anne Frank never existed or (b) that her diary is fake and written by her father with a ball point pen (the ball point pen invented in 1951) like Kali are Jew haters?

    Or ignorant people like you who think her writing tastes like left over Turkey, and that those who elevate her writing into literary excellence (beyond the sanitized holocaust story) are Jews elevating another Jew. The big controversy concerning AF’s writing is important for many reasons. Frank’s original diary was hard core. Very descriptive, cruel at times with erotically charged prose ( by a sexually awakened ) 13 year old. Otto Frank self conscious about being a survivor wanted desperately to present Jews in a pure respectful and moral way so that non Jews would like Anne. So embarrassed and ashamed after the war that people would view Jews in a negative way, he heavily edited and sanitized her writing to tell a holocaust story and please the masses. In 1951 sexually descriptive writing by young girls was taboo. You and your daughter probably never read the original version of AF. That is the whole point. But you always miss the big part of the story in favor of flowery prose that make you look smart. You relish your own prose.
    The dairy and its various editions is an interesting story. Franks original prose stand out as beautiful literature written by a budding writer whose life was cut short.

    I hands down prefer the ideas and company of Cynthia Ozick over you and ball point pen Kali, but thanks for your opinion.

    Have you ever read Cynthia Ozick? Did Mary Phagan keep a diary? Without a diary Anne Frank would be less known or talked about then Phagan. Phagan is famous because a Jew killed her. Frank is famous for being a Jew. A friend of Frank’s who survived the camps saw her thru a fence a few days before she died. Other then her journal no one knows the person that actually killed her. It was more of a national death warrant towards her and her family. Frank made herself known by her writing not by who murdered her.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  312. Kali says:
    @AnonStarter

    Bom dia AnonStarter,

    OK, too continue from last night…

    Not an assumption, a conclusion following the very same process of introspection to which you refer: all is one, everything a reflection of that oneness like separate reflections of the sun upon millions of dewdrops scattered across a morning meadow. As such, God is present everywhere, both within and without, and it is not in keeping with His compassion to leave us bereft of guidance on how to approach the world beyond our self.

    I couldn’t agree more!
    But I think it might be wise, for my part at least, to draw a distinction between “religion” and “religiousness”. Religion being the organised, usually centralised, hierarchical structures used to limit and control both “god” and man. – That is to say, essentially political institutions overlayed with a veneer of “godliness” and rightiousness. (Now, given how little I know of the organisational nature of Islam, it could be that I’m wrongly extending to Islam that which I percieved in Christianity and Judaism, yet certainly it appears that Islam is just as guilty of using “god” to control and limit the actions of man (why else would women be held accountable for the sexuality of men, for example? – Whereby, in certain strictly Muslim countries women may be stoned for having been raped) for a political end.

    “Religiousness”, in my use of the term, refers to those practices which bring us closer to a knowing/understanding of the nature of God.
    Of course “religions” do espouse such practices – prayerfulness, meditation, certain ritual and life (eg, the practice of kindness) practices, etc- and do contain insight and wisdom within their teachings. – From my own Christian upbringing I recognise the truth of this, and bring many of those teachings to my present.

    But such teachings, the guidance which God gives us, is not exclusively contained within religion, and may be found in many diverse/divergent corners of life, of course including the written and spoken word of man. But not limited to it!
    Music, the sight of a dear in the woods – relaxed yet fully aware, fully present – the opening of a flower, the movement of the stars and planets, denoting our place in time and space, even the cleansing devastation of wild fires, and so much else, may bring us closer to God and to “the peace which passes all understanding”.

    So whist some may confine God (or the oportunity to know God) to a particular religious Authodoxy, to a wholy masculine entity, to the scriptures of a given religion, God, the Divine Essence of all Being, does not.

    Certainly I appreciate your (and Talhas) religiousness, and that through it you come to know God, but I do not appreciate the ways in which your religion (or any religion) subjugates its followers and commands obedience to man-made “laws” and comandments. Those “laws” and commandments serve, all too often, to restrain people and their appreciation, understanding and knowing of God.
    Though, in an increasingly secular world where religions are loosing their grip on society, and where religiousness is now more a matter of free choice, this effect is possibly less pronounced, except where it underpins the structures of “law and order” of society.

    Enter the “new age” religion, a mish-mash of ideas and pratices, as “prophesied” in the Protocols of Zion, the new “religion” designed to herd mankind into a state of confussion and offer a literal “spiritual supermarket”, absent guidance, in place of traditional religious control. Herein lies one aspect of the cacophony you mention!

    By design (!) traditional religious control and the morality which they also sanction, are being replaced, and the guidance that those religions do offer is being eroded. By the end of the century there will be little left of Christianity and Islam. But God WILL remain.

    Naturally the Divine Creator designed at the centre of each one of us a means by which we may experience the presence of God within, and the recognition of God without. And there is much guidance all around us to show the way, in the form of enlightened men and women/teachers, in the writen word and in the observance of nature.

    This is actually a good description of today’s world: those without religion — and even many professing religiosity — all have their own brilliant ideas about the path to or away from God, perpetually diverging from the other until pure cacophony overwhelms us.

    When one is in harmony with oneself – not in confussion, nor in searching, not in ones chattering mind – and when those around us are also in harmony, no matter how divergent the instruments, a symphony, not cacophony, is the result.

    It is a fact of our time that, mostly, man is unconscious, but this has not always been, and will not always be, the case. The cycle of ages (called Yugas in the Hindu tradition, and gold, silver, bronze and iron by the ancient Greeks) is inevitable. We are now in the ascending Dwapara Yuga, or ascending bronze age, (ref: https://www.universalcelestialcalendar.com ) and we witness a raising of our consciousness… the continuation of which is as inevitable as the rising of the sun. So that an inevitable harmonic symphony will arise out of the cacophony which we currently experience.

    Not an assumption, an observation. Like it or not, we’re feral predatory omnivores, the most dangerous game on the planet. Human savagery is going to exist as long as we do, with or without religion.

    Speak for yourself! lol (kidding!)
    In our collective unconsciousness, which is a component of the age in which we live, what you say is generally true but as our consciousness rises, so our “savegary” diminishes. Now, it could be that the savage and unconscious amongst us will meet their demise or will evolve into conscious beings. But however it goes, the savagery, supported as it is by the religions which have accompanied our ventures and wrought so much bloodshed, will diminish as we grow in consciousness and abandon the decrees of men.

    which means that, given certain circumstances, you identify a need for potentially lethal force.

    Change “lethal force” to “lethal self-defence” and certainly I do! I would not hesitate to use lethal self-defence to protect myself against all manner of intrusions onto my physical wellbeing or threats to my life. But such intrusions and threats always, always come from unconscious men, and from men who move by the “authority” of religion and/or “the state” – which itself derives it’s authority from a codified, confined “god”.

    Spiritual enlightenment and passivity do not necessarily go hand in had. Where one may attempt to use force against another, to disturb the peace of the other, to impose their will on the other then the other must either accept the impositions, and all that that entails, or reject it with as much force as may be necessary to maintain ones peace and physical well being.

    But where there is no threat, no force, then no defensiveness, lethal or otherwise, is necessary.

    Now what predicates your acknowledgement of such a need if not a conviction in the correctness (a.k.a. righteousness) of it?

    Self defence and self preservation, and defence of family, home and community.

    The rightiousness of self preservation when/if one is under attack. (And where such attack is a figment of ones imagination, as in the case of judaism… Self-fulfilling prophesies notwithstanding.)

    To conclude, the “Abrahamic religions are the greatest scourge of the world” trope just doesn’t hold up to close scrutiny.

    With respect, I wholeheartedly disagree! Entire societies have been founded upon the Abrahamic religions, and they have brought bloodshed and atrocities beyond comprehension. Even now, in their more (overtly) secular manifestations, they continue to threaten and to devastate the world!

    The “left” may have been confounded in its attempt to find a substitute for organised religion, but God is not! That “substitute” (replacement) is coded into the very fabric of existance.

    With love,
    Kali.

  313. Kali says:
    @Kali

    Correction:

    The rightiousness of self preservation when/if one is under attack. (***Not*** where such attack is a figment of ones imagination, as in the case of judaism… Self-fulfilling prophesies notwithstanding.)

  314. Kali says:
    @Colin Wright

    2) you have a singularly optimistic notion of the average person’s ‘own true nature.’

    Guilty!

    But not without reason. – In my reply to AnonStarter which I’ve just posted, you’ll (I hope) see where my optimistic notions are supported, especially with reference to the cycles of ages, as outlined by the Universal Celestial Calander (linked).
    Although I should maybe note that that calender supports my optimism, rather than founds it.

    Of course Fran will not understand a word I’ve written, but those without “interlectual heft” such as hers might!

    Love,
    Kali.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  315. @Kali

    Did not understand a word. Loved the celestial calendar. Did you see ball point pen myth shot down re: Anne Frank?

    Just curious, what are you referring to with new age prophesied in the Protocols of Zion? I have heard of the protocols but never as a prophesy for a new age religion.

    Enter the “new age” religion, a mish-mash of ideas and pratices, as “prophesied” in the Protocols of Zion, the new “religion” designed to herd mankind into a state of confussion and offer a literal “spiritual supermarket”, absent guidance, in place of traditional religious control. Herein lies one aspect of the cacophony you mention!

    • Replies: @Kali
  316. @Kali

    ‘…So that an inevitable harmonic symphony will arise out of the cacophony which we currently experience…’

    The trend seems to be in the other direction — particularly at the moment. The cacophony is increasing, not diminishing.

    • Replies: @Kali
  317. @Fran Taubman

    ‘… Or ignorant people like you who think her writing tastes like left over Turkey, and that those who elevate her writing into literary excellence (beyond the sanitized holocaust story) are Jews elevating another Jew…’

    But, Fran…

    As I pointed out, those you yourself selected are ‘Jews elevating another Jew.’ That’s just observable fact — based on not my choice of critics, but yours.

  318. @Fran Taubman

    ‘I dunno is singularly the correct word here. Similar to the use of the word relish You do that a lot with verbs, adverbs and adjectives. Apply it all so thick you can pretend you are saying something. I use relish on my vegan burgers.’

    Perhaps it’s just a matter of me having a larger vocabulary than you. I don’t see anything odd at all about my use of either ‘singularly’ or ‘relish’ here. If you then fail to grasp my point, that again may be a comment on you rather than me.

    You really are astonishingly stupid, Fran. That could be the explanation.

  319. @Colin Wright

    You really are astonishingly stupid, Fran. That could be the explanation.

    My exact assessment of you. I beat you to a pulp every argument and you come up with the same response. My favorite was when I explained to how Jewish surnames came about. I forget what idiotic idea you had about it. I have a real world presence you drink wine and fix plumbing. Pretty funny.

  320. But it’s a special occasion, isn’t it, Fran?

    Happy ‘Good News for Israel Day.’ It’s 9/11!

    Pass on my congratulations to Aaron. He must be kvelling in his boots

    …can one kvell in boots, Fran? It does sound a little odd, now that I think about it.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Loup-Bouc
  321. @Colin Wright

    Speaking of stupid. Bahrain just singed on to making peace with Israel. One of your more stupid predictions bit the dust. That Israel was on the way out, and all the Jews were booking flights to NY.
    Gosh it must really hurt to be so wrong so many times. I wish I had time to look up that comment. You said it was just a matter of time before the plug would be pulled on Israel.
    Wrong Israel will lead the way over there.

  322. Anon[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright

    Dude, you’re arguing with a clinical fucking narcissist that managed to turn high school shop class into profitable vocation by passing off garbage as overpriced art to her fellow tribesmen – your time may be better spent elsewhere.

  323. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Colin Wright

    Pass on my congratulations to Aaron.

    (1)

    Who is Aaron?

    (2)

    You would act wisely if you exit the argument-stream you have been swimming with Fran Taubman.

    You have won. Your victory is clear.

    You did not need to post your comment of September 11, 2020 at 3:52 am GMT (comment # 320). Her analogy’s idiocy was obvious.

    Please do not continue encouraging her to clutter this thread with her nonsense and her Zionist dreck.

    Ms. Taubman is a very curious psychopath. Most psychopaths are highly intelligent. Perhaps she will bequeath her brain to psychiatric/neuropsychiatric science.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  324. @Loup-Bouc

    ‘Who is Aaron… You would act wisely if you exit the argument-stream you have been swimming with Fran Taubman…’

    But…but it’s so much fun.

    Seriously. I rarely get to let my inner pit bull off the leash like this. Most of the good targets aren’t particularly deserving. I start to feel bad.

    …’Aaron’ is sort of Fran with a three-digit IQ. He’s fun too — and certainly deserving — but it can be a bit more challenging. Sort of more like skeet than shooting ducks in a barrel.

    He hasn’t been around for a while — but he’ll be back.

    Anyway, I’ll try to ignore Fran. However, I doubt if it will discourage her.

  325. @Kali

    First, when I wrote about an “understanding of Him that is consigned to the self,” I was speaking specifically of your means of understanding God, not where you believe Him to reside. You consign the basis of your understanding to yourself. That’s been established.

    Second, in The Qur’an, the first person referent to God is typically “We,” which does not imply that God is a plurality. The third person referent is “He,” which does not imply that God is a man. Were we to limit our understanding of God to the pronouns “We” and “He”, you might have a point; yet in truth, it demands a blithe disregard for the remainder of The Qur’an to arrive at the conclusion that these referents “confine or separate” God in any way, shape, or form. (I’m also not really interested in transparently anti-patriarchal pronoun wars. I’m an unapologetic advocate of patriarchy, so neo-feminist claptrap in that vein does not register with me. At all.)

    The same is true with respect to understanding Islamic jurisprudence concerning rape and adultery, as well as understanding the actual circumstances on the ground in Pakistan. This isn’t to excuse abuse when and where it happens, but blaming Islam for it — at least to those who have bothered to research the matter — is a sucker’s game.

    Additionally, the distinction between religion and religiosity is one without a pragmatic difference. No, you can’t have your cake and eat it too, and reliance on an astral calendar really renders the distinction irrelevant.

    As per the cacophony, you’ve missed the point: it’s an objective observation, not a matter of one’s failure to be “in harmony with oneself.” My ability to objectively perceive oneness in being does not obviate my ability to affirm the dissonance of so many competing perspectives. That’s yet another false dichotomy.

    Ultimately, your overarching argument is much like those of gun control advocates who imagine that outlawing guns will do anything but place guns in the hands of outlaws. It won’t.

    Nor will the elimination of religion do anything to resolve the matter of man’s savagery, regardless of the dogma you may derive from astral calendars. You’re more than welcome to hold otherwise, of course. I reserve my God-given right to take precautionary measures against the threat of man’s manifest and undeniable depredations — including, but not limited to, my own.

  326. @Kali

    One more point …

    Those “laws” and commandments serve, all too often, to restrain people and their appreciation, understanding and knowing of God.

    Proscriptions against lying, theft, and murder, among some others, are restraints necessary for the health and well being of society. They certainly do not serve to diminish one’s appreciation, understanding, and knowledge of God.

  327. @AnonStarter

    ‘Proscriptions against lying, theft, and murder, among some others, are restraints necessary for the health and well being of society. They certainly do not serve to diminish one’s appreciation, understanding, and knowledge of God.’

    I can’t resist pointing out that Rasputin would have differed.

    As I understand it, he belonged to a sect that held that only through first sinning, and then repenting, could one achieve true holiness.

    But that would be Russians for you.

  328. karel says:
    @Fran Taubman

    As you say, ”Kali is a remarkable women an unqualified expert on so many fields.” Just like you Fran, I suppose.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  329. karel says:
    @Kali

    I am not promoting here anything. You seem to have problems understanding simple sentences.

    Perhaps Bill Gates needs my assistance but does not yet know about it. I will write to him once I find his address an tell him how to best spend his money.

  330. karel says:
    @geokat62

    Please spare us of such revolting pictures.

  331. @AnonStarter

    I am sort of surprised dear one that you take Kali’s post so seriously as a spiritual /religious debate. It is not. After 20 minutes of research looking at that goofy calendar and who is behind it, is a guy named Michael O’Bernicia who is an anarchist, with a manifesto on youtube, and a website.


    https://www.thebernician.net/banking-crimes/

    This succinct critique of anarchism from wiki.

    Philosophy lecturer Andrew G. Fiala also believed that humans could not self govern and included it in his list of arguments against anarchism. Fiala’s other critiques were that anarchism is innately related to violence and destruction, not only in the pragmatic world, i.e. at protests, but in the world of ethics as well.

    This smoke and mirrors religious argument from Kali.

    In our collective unconsciousness, which is a component of the age in which we live, what you say is generally true but as our consciousness rises, so our “savegary” diminishes. Now, it could be that the savage and unconscious amongst us will meet their demise or will evolve into conscious beings. But however it goes, the savagery, supported as it is by the religions which have accompanied our ventures and wrought so much bloodshed, will diminish as we grow in consciousness and abandon the decrees of men.

    • Replies: @Kali
  332. Seraphim says:
    @karel

    I wonder whether the ‘Kali’ refers to Kālī/Kālikā, the Hindu black goddess of destruction, death, the goddess of the Thuggees, or to Kali, the Hindu demon ruler of the most corrupt and violent of the Hindu cycles, in which mankind abandons the gods, and morality is replaced with open hostility and depravity, the Kali Yuga.

    • Replies: @Prajna
  333. Kali says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Hello Fran,

    I’m very pleased you like the calander. – It was designed by a close friend, and my husband wrote the app, some of the calculations for which litterally required “rocket science”.

    Speaking of hubby, I just mentioned this conversation to him, including your assertions re. Ann Frank.

    He tells me, though I have not read the transcriptions myself, that the court case which took place in Germany, instigated by Ann’s father against the producers of the stage play based on the book, revealed that it was the annotations attached to the original diaries which were written in ball point (not the diaries themselves).

    But handwriting experts concluded that the annotations and the diaries were written by the same hand. Ergo, either Ann wrote the diaries, survived the war, added annotations in ball point and had the diaries published, OR Ann did not write the diaries.

    I have to confess though, I have not read your comments on the matter. (My bad?)

    I hope this finds you well and happy!

    With love,
    Kali.

    • Thanks: Robjil
  334. Kali says:
    @Colin Wright

    The trend seems to be in the other direction — particularly at the moment. The cacophony is increasing, not diminishing.

    True, but give it time, Colin. The orchestra barely knows it has instruments yet, never mind that it is an orchestra!

    With love,
    Kali.

  335. Kali says:
    @AnonStarter

    Proscriptions against lying, theft, and murder, among some others, are restraints necessary for the health and well being of society. They certainly do not serve to diminish one’s appreciation, understanding, and knowledge of God.

    When one comes to fully Know Oneself, and thereby, to know the nature of God, then one does not require proscriptions against lying, murder, etc, because those things are antithical to ones essential nature, which is in accordance with the nature of God… God is woven into the very fabric of Being.

    The moment some “authority” proscribes particular acts in the name of God, the masses no longer have to look inward to discern the nature/will of God, but merely to “follow the rules”. So, yes, those proscriptions do “diminish one’s appreciation, understanding, and knowledge of God.”

    The imperative, Know Yourself, is therefore the ONLY imperative of real value to Man. (Note the masculine pronoun, and how often I use such in the course of my commenting, and realise, by inference, that my remarks regarding the masculinisation of God are very specific to that convention!)

    Notice, AS, that I do not suggest that God may not be percieved outside of ones self, but that an understanding of the nature of God may only be achieved by an understanding of ones own essential nature.

    As for the rest of your dismissive comments, I’ll pass on engaging any further with you on this topic.

    Kind regards,
    Kali.

    • Agree: Robjil
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @AnonStarter
  336. Kali says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Michael O’Bernicia has NOTHING at all to do with the UCC. I’m not sure how you came to that conclusion Fran..? Because Litmus (also an anarchist, as are most of my close friends) who did design the calendar links to him on one of his websites????

    Your research skills are lacking, my friend.

    That said, you should take a look at Michaels work on “The Fraud of English History”, which is very interesting!

    I don’t agree with Michael on everything (he seems to think that the problems mankind faces today begin and end at the shores of the island, for example), and in recent months he has shown himself to have quite a messiah complex. That said, he had done an extraordinary amount of research into the origins of Common Law, the history of Britain and into the law as it stands today.

    He is currently bringing a repesentative action against the fraudulent mortgage practices of the banking industry, following a hard-fought victory in his own case.

    His work is not to be sniffed at!

    Love,
    Kali.

  337. @Kali

    ‘When one comes to fully Know Oneself, and thereby, to know the nature of God, then one does not require proscriptions against lying, murder, etc, because those things are antithical to ones essential nature, which is in accordance with the nature of God… God is woven into the very fabric of Being…’

    The problem I have with such approaches is that God starts to cease to exist at all. If he’s ‘woven into the very fabric of Being’ — i.e., reality — on what way is he distinct from reality in general? ‘God’ becomes rocks, and the operation of gravity. It’s no longer clear how He’s a conscious entity.

    That doesn’t especially bother me — I’m agnostic in the first place — but intellectually, it seems to run the risk of reducing ‘God’ to little more than a conceptual device.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Art
  338. @Kali

    He tells me, though I have not read the transcriptions myself, that the court case which took place in Germany, instigated by Ann’s father against the producers of the stage play based on the book, revealed that it was the annotations attached to the original diaries which were written in ball point (not the diaries themselves).
    But handwriting experts concluded that the annotations and the diaries were written by the same hand. Ergo, either Ann wrote the diaries, survived the war, added annotations in ball point and had the diaries published, OR Ann did not write the diaries. But handwriting experts concluded that the annotations and the diaries were written by the same hand. /blockquote>

    Your hubby is a misinformed liar. Why don’t you research the links that I provided? Irrefutable that Anne write her diaries. Research into the paper the ink and handwriting analysis from her school work using scientific research shows her to be the author and writer. You are correct the ball point pen work were noted on additional pages added by her father.

    Speaking from your high goddess perch of inner goodness and refinement, why are you so interested in proving Anne Frank a fake? How does “knowing yourself” and the god within you, and your quest to seek truth in all things fit the need (For you and your hubby) to denigrate the writings of a 13 year old girl hiding with her family for two years ? Sorry for the run on sentence.
    How does that satisfy you, calling Anne Frank a fake? To prove that the Holocaust is a lie?

    You are a hateful phony wrapped in new age goodness and light. Behind all that new age anarchy is noting but an old old tale of lies and conspiracies regarding Jews. You offer nothing new, just retreaded blame and hate.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Fran Taubman
  339. @Kali

    ‘…But handwriting experts concluded that the annotations and the diaries were written by the same hand. Ergo, either Ann wrote the diaries, survived the war, added annotations in ball point and had the diaries published, OR Ann did not write the diaries…’

    Another possibility would be that Anne Frank’s father found the actual diaries, wanted to preserve his daughter from oblivion, but found so much there that he wished he hadn’t that he simply recopied those bits he was willing to see published while omitting everything he’d just as soon didn’t see the light of day. If one was of a truly subversive turn of mind, one could even concoct the most incredible filth and claim these were the expurgated passages. I mean, she was stuck up in that attic for years. Her imagination could have got up to almost anything — and as far as I know, she wasn’t aware she was writing for publication.

    I don’t have anything against Anne Frank. I’d be perfectly happy if she’d lived — and I’ve no doubt at all that she died. I’m also able to accept either the authenticity or lack thereof of the diaries with equanimity. It’s all cool.

    I just object to the absurd extent to which she has been deified. I mean, if I were in a position to, I’d suggest the Catholic Church canonize her — just to see if they’d do it.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  340. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Interesting use of blockquotes, Fran. It explains the artistic flair embedded in your ironwork.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  341. @geokat62

    Thanks but it was a mistake trying to type on the ferry. The block quotes got messed up. They were only suppose to cover Kali’s quote. Maybe I should resubmit. But while I have you. Leo Frank was cleared of Marry Phagan’s murder. Do you need the links ? The

    • Replies: @geokat62
  342. geokat62 says:
    @geokat62

    Redesign the Union Jack: the winners

    Apologies! I should have placed this flag contest in its proper context for everyone.

    The New Union Flag Project was the brainchild of Israeli, Gil Mualem-Doron.

    Here’s a short video of Gil explaining his novel project:

    Here’s some reaction to the project presumably by a British patriot.

    Excerpt from, Israeli jew Campaigns To Replace The British Flag:

    Another Jewish supremacist campaigning and lobbying to replace British people and British culture. Degenerate Israeli ‘artist’ Gil Doron actively campaigns for mass immigration into the UK and seeks to replace the UK flag with with his multi-cultural propaganda flag.

    http://www.renegadetribune.com/israeli-jew-campaigns-to-replace-the-british-flag/

    I’m waiting for Gil to launch a New Israeli Flag project to see who can design a new flag that represents multiculturalism for the Jewish state. That’s, of course, after it ends its brutal occupation of the Palestinians and learns to embrace the cultural enrichment from mass immigration of its open door policy.

  343. @Fran Taubman

    My blockquotes got messed up I am resubmitting this post.

    He tells me, though I have not read the transcriptions myself, that the court case which took place in Germany, instigated by Ann’s father against the producers of the stage play based on the book, revealed that it was the annotations attached to the original diaries which were written in ball point (not the diaries themselves).
    But handwriting experts concluded that the annotations and the diaries were written by the same hand. Ergo, either Ann wrote the diaries, survived the war, added annotations in ball point and had the diaries published, OR Ann did not write the diaries. But handwriting experts concluded that the annotations and the diaries were written by the same hand. /blockquote>

    Your hubby is a misinformed liar. Why don’t you research the links that I provided? Irrefutable that Anne write her diaries. Research into the paper the ink and handwriting analysis from her school work using forensics to study the dates that show her to be the author and writer. You are correct the ball point pen work were noted on additional pages added by her father.

    Speaking from your high goddess perch of inner goodness and refinement, why are you so interested in proving Anne Frank a fake? How does “knowing yourself” and the god within you, and your quest to seek truth in all things fit the need (For you and your hubby) to denigrate the writings of a 13 year old girl hiding with her family for two years ? Sorry for the run on sentence.
    How does that satisfy you, calling Anne Frank a fake? To prove that the Holocaust is a lie?

    You are a hateful phony wrapped in new age goodness and light. Behind all that new age anarchy is noting but an old old tale of lies and conspiracies regarding Jews. You offer nothing new, just retreaded blame and hate.

  344. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Thanks but it was a mistake trying to type on the ferry.

    Oh, ok. But why are you trying to type on a ferry?

    Leo Frank was cleared of Marry Phagan’s murder. Do you need the links ?

    No, the links won’t be necessary, Fran. One question, though. If Leo Frank didn’t rape and murder little Mary Phagan, who did?

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  345. Talha says:
    @Colin Wright

    It’s no longer clear how He’s a conscious entity.

    This brings about other related issues; then both the holy/sacrosanct and profane/accursed are equally God. And if I am God, why am I not self-aware that I am? One can say; well, that’s because your consciousness has been clouded. OK, but how can God’s self-awareness be weakened or clouded by anything? That seems to be contradictory to definition of All-knowing/All-aware especially if everything is God anyway?

    It sounds nice in theory (who doesn’t want to claim to be Divine) until you follow it to necessary conclusions.

    I mean, if I were in a position to, I’d suggest the Catholic Church canonize her — just to see if they’d do it.

    Interesting proposition; wonder if it would go through?

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Kali
  346. @geokat62

    Oh, ok. But why are you trying to type on a ferry?

    We have had this discussion many times before. The ferry is a good place to type, the problem is when I am not quite finished editing and I have to get off. Things go south from there.

    The black guy killed her. It was in a recent article. Frank’s office assistant who was 16 came forward recently. The article I read was from 2019. He was old. He said the black guy threatened to kill him if he said anything (he saw him with Mary in his arms dead). He told his family and they convinced him not to come forward.

    Funny thing is there were notes over Mary’s body written by the black guy who claimed Frank made him write them. The office boy thought Frank would get off, because there really was not much evidence. Mary was not raped. Frank was lynched by a mob before he could be found innocent.

    You thought Frank killed her? Did you not see the new evidence by this witness?

    https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/local/2020/02/20/alonzo-mann-says-jim-conley-murdered-mary-phagan/4819312002/

    • Replies: @geokat62
  347. What Bahrain’s deal with Israel really means
    Trump is bringing major changes to the Middle East

    Charles Lipson

    https://spectator.us/bahrain-israel-peace-deal-trump-middle-east-iran/

    • Replies: @geokat62
  348. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    We have had this discussion many times before.

    You missed my attempt at humour, Fran. But, no big deal.

    From the story you linked to:

    In 1982, Tennessean reporters led efforts to posthumously exonerate Leo Frank, who was wrongfully convicted of killing Mary Phagan in 1913 in Atlanta. Frank, a Jewish factory manager, was lynched amid a wave of anti-Semitism after his conviction.

    1982, huh? That’s a good four years before the Georgia State Board of Pardons and Paroles granted Frank supporters a pardon in 1986.

    In their application to the Board for a pardon, however, his supporters asked the state only to recognize its culpability over his death.

    The Board, said:

    Without attempting to address the question of guilt or innocence, and in recognition of the State’s failure to protect the person of Leo M. Frank and thereby preserve his opportunity for continued legal appeal of his conviction, and in recognition of the State’s failure to bring his killers to justice, and as an effort to heal old wounds, the State Board of Pardons and Paroles, in compliance with its Constitutional and statutory authority, hereby grants to Leo M. Frank a Pardon.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Frank

    So, Frank was posthumously pardoned but was not officially absolved of the crime, notwithstanding Alonzo Mann’s testimony in 1982.

    The black guy killed her.

    You mean the schvartzer, no?

    • Replies: @geokat62
  349. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    What Bahrain’s deal with Israel really means Trump is bringing major changes to the Middle East

    Keep on selling, Fran.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  350. @Kali

    Dismissive? Here’s what you wrote a few posts ago:

    Currently on this planet, Judaism, Christianity and (to a lesser, or less visible, extent) Islam pose the biggest threat to all of us.

    That’s a fairly dismissive comment — and “dismissive” is actually euphemistic here. You’re telling me that my way of life is part and parcel of the greatest threat facing humankind.

    I’m not sure what you expected from this correspondence while proceeding with that argument. FWIW, I don’t dismiss the significance of axial precession or ancient cosmology proceeding from it. And I might even agree that the Aquarian Age will bring with it a sea change in our approach to religion.

    Furthermore, I never dismissed the reality that God is understood through understanding oneself.

    But how can this understanding benefit society if it isn’t shared? Talha’s point remains valid: if the basis of knowing God is strictly oneself, what happens when each person’s knowledge is as variant from the other’s as are his fingerprints? A society functions well only when there is a necessary minimum of common ground shared among its members. To realize this, one’s self remains insufficient; a collective of like-minded individuals is necessary.

    In which case, you’ve got to have yourself a party, an association, a congregation … call it whatever you’d like.

    And since we’re not God, and thus, ever susceptible to forget and err, one reminding the other of their shared convictions or providing him a memorably motivational perspective of them shouldn’t diminish one’s appreciation, understanding, and knowledge of God in the least. In fact, it should increase our gratitude that God provided the reminder and serve to sustain our consciousness of Him.

    Claiming that “an understanding of the nature of God may only be achieved by an understanding of ones own essential nature” imposes a restriction on the means of understanding.

    Surely, you know this.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Kali
  351. @geokat62

    RE: Bahrain. Not my article, just passing it along. No idea who killed Mary, and I could care less, but my bet in looking at photos of the pale Yid spaghetti like Frank and the buck schvartzer, well it is a no brainer, no?

    • Replies: @anon
  352. Talha says:
    @AnonStarter

    I would love to see an example where a large, unrelated group of people performed these kinds of spiritual exercises or contemplations or inner exploration or whatever you want to call them, on their own without any guidance, and came to a general consensus on the nature of God, the universe, purpose of man, etc.

    Wa salaam.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  353. geokat62 says:
    @geokat62

    Hey, Fran. Good news. Just stumbled upon this terrific website, LEO FRANK CASE ARCHIVE: World’s largest Leo Frank resource.

    A few choice excerpts regarding Leo’s wife, Lucile:

    Whatever [Lucile Selig Frank’s] former beliefs, 21st-century research has uncovered indications of her true attitude in her will of 1954, indicating her wish to be cremated, and her subsequent verbal instructions for the dispersal of her ashes — which specified that her remains not be interred next to Leo Frank’s

    Lucille might not have known all the details about what happened at the National Pencil Company after twelve noon on April 26, 1913, but — if the June 3, 1913 affidavit of Magnolia McKnight, known as State’s Exhibit J*, and the corroborating affidavit of Minola’s husband Albert, can be believed — she probably knew that Leo Frank had tried to seduce young Mary Phagan and had then killed her to protect his status and reputation. Imagine the magnitude of suppressed pain, grief, and suffering Lucille endured after learning from Leo’s own lips what really happened that fateful noon hour while she was at the Opera House. Imagine what it was like for the rest of her life having to publicly pretend otherwise. It’s certainly not a burden most people could fathom, much less endure.

    *Affidavit of Magnolia McKnight (the household servant):

    Miss Lucile [Selig Frank] said Sunday that Mr. [Leo] Frank told her Saturday night that
he was in trouble, and that he didn’t know the reason why he would murder, and he told his wife
to get his pistol and let him kill himself.

    https://www.leofrank.org/dramatis-personae/mrs-lucille-selig-frank/

    Pretty riveting stuff… huh, Fran?

  354. @Talha

    Minus the group size and their unrelatedness, that appears close to the default understanding of many people who consider the entirety of religion to be a man-made construct.

    Which, in the immediate instance, explains everything.

    was-salaam.

  355. @geokat62

    Pretty interesting Geo. You are obsessed with Jews. I know you know this. I just don’t think you are an objective source of info on incriminating a Jewish person. I am not interested enough in this story to pursue. So If Lucy says so I am with you.

  356. @Colin Wright

    I just object to the absurd extent to which she has been deified.

    Absolutely.

    Surely, there’s at least one Palestinian youth with a story of his own to tell, and a more current one, at that.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
  357. anon[146] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Taubman

    RE: Bahrain. Not my article, just passing it along. No idea who killed Mary, and I could care less, but my bet in looking at photos of the pale Yid spaghetti like Frank and the buck schvartzer, well it is a no brainer, no?

    RE: Bahrain. Enjoy your your little jew “peace deal” with your bought and paid for jew puppets while it (and your jew regime in jew occupied Palestine) lasts, you stupid barking jew cunt:

    Hamas’ Haniyeh Meets Islamic Jihad Chief, to Meet Sayyed Nasrallah

    Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh met in Beirut on Wednesday with the Islamic Jihad Secretary General Ziad Nakhale, and will meet Hezbollah Secretary General Sayyed Hasan Nasrallah.

    Haniyeh and Nakhale discussed cooperation between the two Palestinian Resistance movements and ways to coordinate their actions in response to the ongoing blockade of the Gaza strip, US President Donald Trump’s so-called peace plan and the normalization agreement between the Zionist entity and the UAE.

    http://english.almanar.com.lb/1133959

    Sayyed Nasrallah, Haniyeh Stress Stability of Axis of Resistance

    Hezbollah Secretary General Sayyed Hasan Nasrallah received Head of Hamas politburo Ismail Haniyeh, with the two leaders stressed stability of Axis of Resistance.

    In a statement released early Sunday, Hezbollah’s Media Relations Office announced that Sayyed Nasrallah received Haniyeh, his deputy Saleh Al-Arouri and the accompanying delegation.

    http://english.almanar.com.lb/1135796

    Haniyeh: Today’s Meeting in Beirut and Ain Al-Hilwe, Tomorrow in Al-Quds

    Head of Hamas politburo Ismail Haniyeh visited Ain Al-Hilwe Palestinian refugee camp in south Lebanon on Sunday, stressing that normalization attempts by Arab regimes with Zionist entity don’t represent the real stance of Arab people.

    “Today’s meeting is in Beirut and Ain Al-Hilwe, while tomorrow we will meet in Palestine and Al-Quds God willing,” Haniyeh said during a visit to the Palestinian camp, referring to his meeting with Hezbollah Secretary General Sayyed Hasan Nasrallah in Beirut earlier.

    The Resistance’s rockets “are the main retaliation to draw the map of Palestine on battlefield,” Hamas chief said, stressing that Palestinians’ right of return to their land “sacred right.”

    Haniyeh noted, meanwhile, that Resistance has rockets that can reach Tel Aviv and beyond Tel Aviv.

    http://english.almanar.com.lb/1135796

    Re: Mary Phagan. It was the pale jew pedo parasite with the little jew half-dick who raped and murdered her.

    • Replies: @anon
  358. anon[254] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    Wrong link was provided in previous comment:

    Sayyed Nasrallah, Haniyeh Stress Stability of Axis of Resistance

    Hezbollah Secretary General Sayyed Hasan Nasrallah received Head of Hamas politburo Ismail Haniyeh, with the two leaders stressed stability of Axis of Resistance.

    In a statement released early Sunday, Hezbollah’s Media Relations Office announced that Sayyed Nasrallah received Haniyeh, his deputy Saleh Al-Arouri and the accompanying delegation.

    http://english.almanar.com.lb/1135675 <-correct link

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  359. @geokat62

    ‘Pretty riveting stuff… huh, Fran?’

    Just to stick my oar in…

    I recall being convinced by Ron Unz’s piece that Frank did it…then I read Albert Lindemann’s Esau’s Tears, in which he claims Frank probably didn’t do it.

    Lindemann, although he writes from an ultimately Jewish perspective, seems be scrupulously honest and fair-minded. Unlike some writers, he doesn’t evade the culpability of Jews themselves for their treatment. He’s also written a work covering the Phagan murder, along with other such cases.

    So he knows what he’s talking about, and he tries to tell the truth as he sees it. His opinion carried some weight with me. And returning to Ron’s piece and scanning it, he doesn’t actually seem to establish much of a case that Frank did it — Ron’s emphasis seemed to be more on the pressure brought on Frank’s behalf rather than the actual question of guilt. That is of interest, but doesn’t actually demonstrate that Frank carried out the crime.

    So without studying the issue exhaustively, at this point I’d have to say I’m agnostic as to whether Frank committed the murder. That question is, of course, distinct from the questionable proposition that his conviction and lynching owed anything to antisemitism.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Ron Unz
  360. Art says:
    @Colin Wright

    The problem I have with such approaches is that God starts to cease to exist at all. If he’s ‘woven into the very fabric of Being’ — i.e., reality — on what way is he distinct from reality in general? ‘God’ becomes rocks, and the operation of gravity. It’s no longer clear how He’s a conscious entity.

    Excellent point – if God is “‘woven into the very fabric of Being’” – this is far afield of the monotheist god. I was taught that god created the heavens and Earth?

    I support God the Creator – that does not involve himself in everyday activities.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  361. Wielgus says:
    @Colin Wright

    I think Anne Frank is a good example of marketing. I see no particular reason to think the diaries are a forgery or written in ballpoint unavailable in early 1940s Amsterdam, as some neo-Nazi claimed (what I have seen of their pages suggests a fountain or dip pen was used which would have been available). I found the diary unremarkable. She was selected because she was a middle class Jewish kid who wore typical Western clothes. I don’t think she was all that typical of Jewish youngsters who did not make it through life in Nazi-dominated Europe.
    I remember a book of photos taken by Roman Vishniac in 1930s Poland and Czechoslovakia. Many of them show children, some of them apparently about the same age as Anne Frank would have been, but for the most part they look less “Western” and are significantly poorer. One is a kid dressed in black and with sidelocks, negotiating with a old Jewish man for an “ess tog”, a free meal while he studies the Torah. A tradition intended to help poorer Jewish children. According to Vishniac he was successful. The kid is narrow-shouldered and has a slight pot belly in the photo, like he does not do sports and hunches over books all the time. He may have been as smart as Frank and possibly also did not survive the Third Reich, but it is unlikely he did anything like keep a diary, and his way of life would have been hard for non-Jews to identify with, unlike Frank. An Anne Frank from the shtetl in Poland or Belarus – unlikely, isn’t it?

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  362. Wielgus says:
    @AnonStarter

    I once met a Palestinian youth who had been shot by an Israeli soldier or policeman – he showed the bullet scar on his back. He said the Israelis obstructed the ambulance that came for him, presumably hoping he would die without rapid medical treatment. A story to tell, yes, but not someone who would get the Anne Frank treatment, for some reason.

    • Agree: AnonStarter
  363. geokat62 says:
    @Colin Wright

    So without studying the issue exhaustively, at this point I’d have to say I’m agnostic as to whether Frank committed the murder.

    Interesting. So what do you or, better yet, Lindemann make of State’s Exhibit J, the sworn Affidavit of Magnolia McKnight (the household servant)?

    Miss Lucile [Selig Frank] said Sunday that Mr. [Leo] Frank told her Saturday night that
he was in trouble, and that he didn’t know the reason why he would murder, and he told his wife
to get his pistol and let him kill himself.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  364. Kali says:

    Live *your* life on *y-our* terms.

    Whereever you find yourself to be at this beginning of a planet-wide increase in [electro-magnetic] pressure.
    – By which some man-made approximation of God reveals itself to be *the Anti-God* to all Mankind.
    We survive and THRIVE in this moment, hand in hand with our Brothers and Sisters. Mankind Thrives in Comm-unity with others: Where FULL AUTONOMY lies with the individual, and Love and Respect are the foundations of of friendship>com-unity.
    *Know Yourself* is the only imperative of any value. Know Yourself to know *who moves here*.

    The Inescapable Truth is that *God moves here*. That God moves in every single thing that you perceive.
    Those who know the Truth of our existance easily recognise one an-other.

    The rest is a history yet to be told.. >

    The “law” of The State has broken down. The “Public” no longer exists, ONLY THE COMMONS is *with-standing*, and it stands in its own jurisdiction. The Commons makes its own Law.

    It really is as simple as that. 😀

    :for context.

    I appreciate your question, Colin (saw it last night). What is “reality”? Changing, mutable, manipulate, subjective. But there is one thing that never changes.
    You are the same Being now as you where when you were a boy. – Everything else has changed, even your thinking has changed. The reality in which you find yourself has mutated again and again and again. “Reality* is an illusion. That which percieves is the uni versal unchanging constant.

    I’m sorry, I need to re-read your comment before I continue, but am a bit pre-occupied up for at least today and tomorrow. – I’ll be back. 😀

    Oh, Franny, whatever made you think I realky give any kind of shit about Ann Frank. This may cut right into your ego, but the absolute fact is that Ann Frank is irrelevant. – please see the above quote to comprehend where we Be now.

    Emanating Love,
    Kali. 😀

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  365. Ron Unz says:
    @Colin Wright

    I recall being convinced by Ron Unz’s piece that Frank did it…then I read Albert Lindemann’s Esau’s Tears, in which he claims Frank probably didn’t do it.

    Actually, I don’t think that’s correct. I discussed Lindemann/Frank quite extensively in two of my long articles:

    Lindemann’s discussion of the 1913 Leo Frank Affair, in which a wealthy Northern Jew working in Atlanta was accused of sexually-assaulting and murdering a young girl, is even more interesting. Once again, he notes that contrary to the traditional narrative, there seems absolutely no hint that Frank’s Jewish background played any role in his arrest or conviction. Indeed, at his trial it was instead his very highly-paid defense attorneys who unsuccessfully sought to “play the race card” with the jurors by crudely attempting to deflect suspicion upon a local black worker by means of racially-charged invective.

    Although Lindemann regards Frank as probably innocent, my own reading of the evidence he presents suggests the overwhelming likelihood of his guilt. Meanwhile, it seems undeniable that the outpouring of popular anger against Frank was produced by the vast ocean of outside Jewish money—at least $15 million or more in present-day dollars—that was committed to the legal efforts to save the life of someone widely regarded as a brutal murderer. There are strong suggestions that far more improper means were also employed, including bribery and influence-peddling, so that after Frank was convicted by a jury of his peers and thirteen separate legal appeals were denied, a governor with strong personal ties to the defense lawyers and Jewish interests chose to spare Frank’s life a few months before leaving office. Under these circumstances, the lynch-mob that hung Frank was viewed by the community as merely enforcing his official death sentence by extra-judicial means.

    I also discovered that the leading figures in the anti-Frank movement had views far nuanced than I had expected. For example, populist writer Tom Watson had previously been a strong defender of Jewish anarchist Emma Goldman, while ferociously denouncing the Rockefellers, Morgans, and Goulds as the “true destroyers” of Jeffersonian democracy, so his outrage that Frank might escape punishment for murder seemed motivated by the extreme wealth of Frank’s family and his supporters rather than any pre-existing anti-Semitic sentiments.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-anti-semitism-a-century-ago/

    Then perhaps a year or two ago, I happened to come across some discussion of the ADL’s 2013 centenary celebration, in which the leadership reaffirmed the principles of its 1913 founding. The initial impetus had been the vain national effort to save the life of Leo Frank, a young Southern Jew unjustly accused of murder and eventually lynched. Not long before, Frank’s name and story would have been equally vague in my mind, with the man half-remembered from my introductory history textbooks as one of the most notable early KKK victims in the fiercely anti-Semitic Deep South of the early twentieth century. However, not long before seeing that piece on the ADL I’d read Albert Lindemann’s highly-regarded study The Jew Accused, and his short chapter on the notorious Frank case had completely exploded all my preconceptions.

    First, Lindemann demonstrated that there was no evidence of any anti-Semitism behind Frank’s arrest and conviction, with Jews constituting a highly-valued element of the affluent Atlanta society of the day, and no references to Frank’s Jewish background, negative or otherwise, appearing in the media prior to the trial. Indeed, five of the Grand Jurors who voted to indict Frank for murder were themselves Jewish, and none of them ever voiced regret over their decision. In general, support for Frank seems to have been strongest among Jews from New York and other distant parts of the country and weakest among the Atlanta Jews with best knowledge of the local situation.

    Furthermore, although Lindemann followed the secondary sources he relied upon in declaring that Frank was clearly innocent of the charges of rape and murder, the facts he recounted led me to the opposite conclusion, seeming to suggest strong evidence of Frank’s guilt. When I much more recently read Lindemann’s longer and more comprehensive historical study of anti-Semitism, Esau’s Tears, I noticed that his abbreviated treatment of the Frank case no longer made any claim of innocence, perhaps indicating that the author himself might have also had second thoughts about the weight of the evidence.

    Based on this material, I voiced that opinion in my recent article on historical anti-Semitism, but my conclusions were necessarily quite tentative since they relied upon Lindermann’s summary of the information provided in the secondary sources he had used, and I had the impression that virtually all those who had closely investigated the Frank case had concluded that Frank was innocent. But after my piece appeared, someone pointed me to a 2016 book from an unexpected source arguing for Frank’s guilt. Now that I have ordered and read that volume, my understanding of the Frank case and its historical significance has been entirely transformed.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-adl-in-american-society/

    Although Lindemann’s first book assumes Frank’s innocence, by the time of his later book, I don’t think he made any such claims.

    • Thanks: geokat62
  366. @Art

    ‘Excellent point – if God is “‘woven into the very fabric of Being’” – this is far afield of the monotheist god. I was taught that god created the heavens and Earth?’

    Yeah. My thinking here was formed by taking classes covering medieval theology and the seventeenth and eighteenth century philosophers.

    Rather monotonously, these folks set out to logically prove God’s existence — and usually, the device they hit upon amounts to renaming reality ‘God’ and then proving that that exists. At least, this was what I took away from it all.

    Okay, that’s doable — but it’s not really all that impressive.

  367. @geokat62

    ‘Interesting. So what do you or, better yet, Lindemann make of State’s Exhibit J, the sworn Affidavit of Magnolia McKnight (the household servant)?’

    From better experience (okay, it wasn’t all that bitter), I’ve learned to be wary of reading the arguments of one side and allowing myself to be convinced by them.

    So to form a definite opinion on Leo Frank’s guilt that I myself would have any confidence in, I’d have to spend at least several hours wading through it all. Now, Leo Frank’s guilt or innocence itself isn’t the most interesting aspect of the case; it was the dynamics surrounding it that were. Whether one philandering middle class Jew did or did not rape and strangle one thirteen year old factory girl more than a hundred years ago is not in and of itself significant.

    So I’m reluctant to invest the time necessary to decide if he did. As I say, I’m agnostic on the question.

  368. @Ron Unz

    ‘…Although Lindemann’s first book assumes Frank’s innocence, by the time of his later book, I don’t think he made any such claims…’

    It’s all a bit vexed. First off, I’ll note that my central point is that you laid your emphasis not on demonstrating Frank’s innocence or guilt, but on the the dynamics surrounding the case. Your passages that you yourself quote confirm that.

    Secondly, by ‘his later book,’ you must mean Lindemann’s Esau’s Tears — which I just read, and which I have!

    In this book, Lindemann discusses the case briefly and implies Frank’s innocence — albeit rather ambiguously. Some passages:

    ‘…his trial was not quite the travesty of justice that many have believed it to be, but on the other hand, there were enough holes in the prosecution’s case that Frank’s guilt was not demonstrated beyond a reasonable doubt…’

    [referring to the governor’s commutation of the sentence and the allegations he had been improperly influenced]‘…The truth was that he had made a careful study of the trial and perceived many flaws in the prosecution’s case…’

    So it seems to me that even if he isn’t quite saying it, Lindemann is letting it be understood that he believes Frank to have been at least unjustly convicted, if not actually innocent. He certainly doesn’t come right out and say he thinks Frank was guilty. He doesn’t even imply it.

    Now, here’s where we get back to the dynamics surrounding the murder rather than the murder itself. Lindemann, being willing to connect the actions of Jews themselves with the reaction of antisemitism, has taken a lot of flak along the lines that he’s a ‘self-hating Jew.’

    So is he actually uncertain of Frank’s guilt, or is he merely reluctant to further inflame his critics by openly saying Frank did it? Once again, what matters is not whether a certain Leo Frank raped and strangled a certain Mary Phagan more than a hundred years ago, but how people continue to react to it all.

  369. Ron Unz says:
    @Colin Wright

    In this book, Lindemann discusses the case briefly and implies Frank’s innocence — albeit rather ambiguously.

    But the chapter in Lindemann’s earlier book, The Jew Accused, seemed to take Frank’s innocence for granted, even though the evidence he cited actually led me to suspect Frank’s guilt. But by the time of Esau’s Tears, he was merely arguing that the prosecution’s case had flaws, which is a much weaker position. I’d read two books within a couple of months, and the change in tone was very noticeable to me.

    It’s all a bit vexed. First off, I’ll note that my central point is that you laid your emphasis not on demonstrating Frank’s innocence or guilt, but on the the dynamics surrounding the case. Your passages that you yourself quote confirm that.

    Leaving aside the chapters in the two Lindemann books, I read three or four other books on the case, mostly supporting Frank, but based on all the material, I’d say I’m 95% sure of Frank’s guilt, as I tried to indicate in my article. By a very wide margin, the best analysis is the NOI volume, which was purged by Amazon for obvious reasons, but which you can still buy it online. You really should if you’re interested in the subject:

    https://noirg.org/store/#!/The-Secret-Relationship-Between-Blacks-and-Jews-Volume-3/p/65266021/

    Lindemann, being willing to connect the actions of Jews themselves with the reaction of antisemitism, has taken a lot of flak along the lines that he’s a ‘self-hating Jew.’

    Well, Lindemann’s thick book did get him a lot of flak, but I tend to doubt that’s he’s Jewish. His name isn’t Jewish, he doesn’t look Jewish, and none of the many (generally negative) reviews I read suggested that he was Jewish.

    • Replies: @Brás Cubas
    , @Brás Cubas
  370. @Ron Unz

    Does your conclusion include the 1983 confession of Franks’s 16 year old office assistant Alzono Mann who changed his testimony saying that he saw Jim Conley carrying the body. He claims his silence was threatened by Conley. Did Mann die a wealthy man from bribery?

    Despite your voluminous writings on the Frank Case three points remain indisputable and a fourth fact just plain common sense.

    1. Despite all the Jewish money and tribal cohesion working towards an innocent verdict, Frank was found guilty and was killed for the murder of Phagan.

    2. Conley the black man walked free.

    3. The attempt to commute the sentence was from death to life imprisonment, not freedom.

    My common sense point of disagreement.

    4. Frank’s character as described by you and others seems to be smarmy and dislikable, not a man of honor in the way he treated his employees, inferences that he was a sexual predator who had made advances to other women at the factory. His wife thinking he was guilty did not visit him in prison for two weeks. Why do you assume Jewish cohesion and massive amounts of Jewish money would flow to Frank if he was like an Epstein or Madoff? I do not see Jews running to the defense of sexual predators and thrives. Makes no sense. You and other Jews like Toaff and Shahak have served up many negative portrayals of Jews. Jews are not hesitant to trash Jews. I am not buying that all that effort went into saving Frank from conviction if they thought him a disreputable person or even potentially guilty.

    My defense is of the Jewish community not of Leo Frank. Jews are assumed to have super human power and cohesion is a fantasy. Jews must have thought he was innocent, but he was still found guilty. After all Jews could not ultimately save themselves during the war.

  371. @Kali

    Oh, Franny, whatever made you think I realky give any kind of shit about Ann Frank. This may cut right into your ego, but the absolute fact is that Ann Frank is irrelevant. – please see the above quote to comprehend where we Be now.

    You gave me the idea that you gave a shit by the unsolicited post of you and your hubby. You were wrong and should admit it.

    He admitted it, Fran. He used ball-point pens to write it after the war.
    Use your famous “interlectual heft” to operate the search engine of your choice.

    He tells me, though I have not read the transcriptions myself, that the court case which took place in Germany, instigated by Ann’s father against the producers of the stage play based on the book, revealed that it was the annotations attached to the original diaries which were written in ball point (not the diaries themselves).

  372. ‘Well, Lindemann’s thick book did get him a lot of flak, but I tend to doubt that’s he’s Jewish. His name isn’t Jewish, he doesn’t look Jewish, and none of the many (generally negative) reviews I read suggested that he was Jewish.’

    That’s interesting. Somehow, I picked up the idea he was Jewish. Lessee here…

    Huh. A couple of dubious references to him as ‘Jewish’ from the blogosphere, but nothing particularly conclusive, one way or the other. Robert Wistrich et al certainly abuse him, but no one has labelled him a ‘self-hating Jew’ except (arguably) me.

  373. @Fran Taubman

    ‘…4. Frank’s character as described by you and others seems to be smarmy and dislikable, not a man of honor in the way he treated his employees, inferences that he was a sexual predator who had made advances to other women at the factory. His wife thinking he was guilty did not visit him in prison for two weeks. Why do you assume Jewish cohesion and massive amounts of Jewish money would flow to Frank if he was like an Epstein or Madoff? I do not see Jews running to the defense of sexual predators and thrives. Makes no sense. You and other Jews like Toaff and Shahak have served up many negative portrayals of Jews. Jews are not hesitant to trash Jews. I am not buying that all that effort went into saving Frank from conviction if they thought him a disreputable person or even potentially guilty…’

    You’re not very bright, are you?

    Frank’s widow first refused to visit him for two weeks and then explicitly refused to be buried with him — even though a plot had been saved for her. She held that grudge for forty years; it must have been pretty serious.

    Now, there are two reasonable explanations for that. The first is that she knew he was guilty. The second is that she was humiliated and enraged by the public revelations of his constant philandering. She may have already been aware of it — but it’s one thing to ignore something and another to have it rubbed in your face. It is possible that she genuinely thought Frank innocent — she was merely outraged by his philandering.

    You would deny the philandering. Fine: he was guilty of the murder, then?

  374. Art says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Jews are assumed to have super human power and cohesion is a fantasy.

    “Jew cohesion is a fantasy.”

    Gee Frannie — could you tell a bigger lie? Your every comment is an expression of Jew cohesion.

    The ADL is a fantasy? Hasbara is a fantasy? You are a fantasy!

    Look at all the evil that all the Jew cohesive organizations have done and are doing to America.

    Bad Frannie – Bad Frannie!

  375. Ron Unz says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Does your conclusion include the 1983 confession of Franks’s 16 year old office assistant Alzono Mann who changed his testimony saying that he saw Jim Conley carrying the body. He claims his silence was threatened by Conley. Did Mann die a wealthy man from bribery?

    Well, as president of the largest B’nai B’rith chapter, Frank was one of the most prominent Jews in the American South, and wealthy Jewish groups across the country raised enormous sums to defend him, totaling as much as $25 million in present-day dollars, with the ADL being created as part of the project. By comparison, O.J. Simpson spent about $6 million in his defense, probably making Frank’s homicide defense the most lavishly expensive in American history.

    A large fraction of that money was spent on detectives and massive bribery, with numerous witnesses perjuring themselves in Frank’s defense. If there had been the slightest possibility that black teenager had actually seen something at the time, it certainly would have come out at the trial, echoed by the almost 100% pro-Frank media. Instead, he allegedly waited 70(!!!) years to come forward, meaning that Frank’s partisans and the MSM only promoted his story when he was probably half-senile. In fact, the weightiest pro-Frank book that recently came out, heavily promoted by the ADL, doesn’t give much value to that supposed “confession,” which was probably intended mostly for media propaganda.

    Private diaries indicate that some of Frank’s leading Jewish backers around the country seemed to think he was probably guilty. His biggest public supporter described Frank as a disgusting, horrible man, and hoped he would break his neck and die as soon as he walked free.

    The evidence against Frank was simply overwhelming, and you should probably read the book I linked if you’re interested, or at least the couple of thousand words I gave to the topic in one of my articles:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-adl-in-american-society/

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  376. @anon

    Jihad (the resistance) against the Jews is over Anon. Jihad offers nothing substantial to the people of the ME, and as the oil dwindles, countries need a unified economic plan, to share technology, tourism and trade. It is time for people to start visiting those countries again. Even in Lebanon, which is in complete economic chaos, Hezbollah’s support is waining. Countries are not going to invest in Jihad. Reconciliation must happen. This will happen in Iran as well. Jihad will never happen militarily or financially. If Hezbollah took out Tel Aviv, Lebanon would be become sand. So what is the ultimate goal of the resistance and how will they achieve it. The politics of the world has changed, the world will not support Jihad against Israel. The UN is changing as well.

    What is the ultimate goal of the resistance and how will it come about?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  377. @Colin Wright

    Lindemann, being willing to connect the actions of Jews themselves with the reaction of antisemitism, has taken a lot of flak along the lines that he’s a ‘self-hating Jew.’

    I read Ron Unz’s reply to you and thought I would add some information that would (perhaps) throw further light into the matter of whether Albert S. Lindemann is Jewish.

    First off, it’s perfectly understandable that people would be led to think he is Jewish, since his Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Lindemann) files itself under the category “Jewish American historians” (look at the bottom of the page).

    Since there is absolutely nothing in the body of that article that addresses that issue, and I could not open the only reference it points to, I didn’t put much faith in that information and searched for some clue in the internet.

    As Ron Unz has pointed out, ‘Lindemann’ is not a common Jewish name. In fact, I could not find anyone with that surname who was Jewish. His mother’s maiden name is ‘Shirk’:

    https://www.nndb.com/people/258/000400055/

    I could not find anyone who had the surname ‘Shirk’ and was Jewish, either. It is reportedly a Gaelic name:

    https://www.houseofnames.com/shirk-family-crest

    I hope I have helped.

  378. @Colin Wright

    Now, here’s where we get back to the dynamics surrounding the murder rather than the murder itself. Lindemann, being willing to connect the actions of Jews themselves with the reaction of antisemitism, has taken a lot of flak along the lines that he’s a ‘self-hating Jew.’

    Sorry to overload you with replies, but there is also this reference stating that ‘Lindemann’ is indeed a name used by Jews on occasion (with examples):

    https://dbs.bh.org.il/familyname/lindemann

    Perhaps his father is Jewish and his mother is not?

  379. Ron Unz says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Despite your voluminous writings on the Frank Case three points remain indisputable and a fourth fact just plain common sense.

    1. Despite all the Jewish money and tribal cohesion working towards an innocent verdict, Frank was found guilty and was killed for the murder of Phagan.

    2. Conley the black man walked free.

    Actually, that relates to a crucial element of “common sense” that I should have emphasized…

    Frank was a highly-regarded and very affluent member of the local white elite. He unsuccessfully attempted to pin the blame on two different blacks, each of them poor and almost illiterate. One of those three individuals had certainly raped and murdered a young white girl.

    By convicting Frank, the jury ensured that those two black men were allowed to walk free in their community. Would an all-white jury in 1913 Georgia have allowed that to happen unless they were absolutely, positively sure that neither of those two black men had raped and murdered one of their young daughters?

    • Thanks: AnonStarter
    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  380. @Ron Unz

    I just recently became aware of this case, and today looked up your article but have not finished it. All of your articles are so long to get thru. Although I do enjoy them.The NOI has been shot down on the Jewish slave trade and other claims they have made about the Jews. So you recommending NOI book to Colin I doubt I will read.

    In the little bit of research I have done today. I find the notes that were found on Mary’s body, that Frank was suppose to have dictated to Conley in the Negro dialect that pointed to another black man (I think the watchman) hard to believe.

    Also you say the press was pro Frank. He was not just lynched by a mob. He had help from higher ups. Frank was taken out of a state prison, not a town jail, and driven 150 miles. No one was ever prosecuted. It was not your typical lynching. Many important people wanted him dead. It still seems unusual that the Jewish community would invest so much time and money on a guilty or horrible man. If he was guilty the usual Jewish response its to lynch him within the community.

    I found this tid bit interesting from Steve Oney’s book. Lots of books on this murder case.

    The Annie Maude Carter correspondence consisted of a batch of letters Conley wrote to Carter in late 1913 and early 1914. Conley admitted writing the letters, and there is no question that he wrote them. In their frequent use of monosyllabic words and compound adjectives, and in several other respects, the letters are quite similar in their composition to the murder notes. The letters prove that Conley, not Leo Frank, composed the murder notes, and that Conley lied when he claimed that Frank dictated them. And who would compose the death notes except the murderer?

  381. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    My defense is of the Jewish community not of Leo Frank.

    Queen Esther defending her community… right or wrong.

    That’s exactly how the B’nai B’rith viewed it, Fran. Their intent was to exonerate Frank at all costs, because a Jew raping and murdering a 13 year old shiksa was deemed “bad for the community.“ That’s why leaders of the community probably bribed Alonzo Mann to throw his brother, Jim Conley, under the bus for thirty pieces of silver.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  382. @Ron Unz

    Well, Lindemann’s thick book did get him a lot of flak, but I tend to doubt that’s he’s Jewish. His name isn’t Jewish, he doesn’t look Jewish, and none of the many (generally negative) reviews I read suggested that he was Jewish.

    Some internet sources give his birth name as Albert Enos Shirk. According to the same sources, Enos is his father’s last name and Shirk is his mother’s.

    Still according to those sources, Lindemann is his wife’s family name, which he adopted.

    The sources I referred to are:

    https://www.nndb.com/people/258/000400055/

    http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~dwcassel/genealogy/b65.htm

    I couldn’t find anyone with family name ‘Enos’ or ‘Shirk’ who was Jewish.

    While probably irrelevant to this discussion, Lindemann (his wife’s family name) is on occasion a Jewish name:

    https://dbs.bh.org.il/familyname/lindemann

    All this seems terribly complicated and convoluted, and I can’t help but wonder why.

  383. ‘…All this seems terribly complicated and convoluted, and I can’t help but wonder why.’

    It is mildly odd. Usually, if I get interested in whether someone is Jewish or not, I’m able to ferret out a fairly conclusive answer without undue trouble.

  384. @Colin Wright

    Colin, I promise this is my last reply to you today.

    Dismiss my previous reply to you, the one where I address the name Lindemann. That is apparently not his paternal family name, but his wife’s. It seems his paternal family name is Enos. See also my reply to Ron Unz:

    https://www.unz.com/gatzmon/apocalypse-now-2/#comment-4161772

  385. @Art

    ‘Jews are assumed to have super human power and cohesion is a fantasy.

    “Jew cohesion is a fantasy.”

    ‘Gee Frannie — could you tell a bigger lie? Your every comment is an expression of Jew cohesion.’

    The irony is that Fran herself has demonstrated the reality of Jewish cohesion, right here on this thread.

    She’s attempting to defend a Jew dead for a hundred years not merely against the very plausible charge of rape and murder of a child, but even against the virtually proven claim that he was a philanderer.

    Pretty obviously — her generalizations to the contrary notwithstanding — any accusation against any Jew will bring Fran reflexively to the defence of the community.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
  386. @Ron Unz

    I would like to correct some pieces of information in my previous reply, for which I am sorry.

    Actually, from what I was able to gather from the web, Albert S. Lindemann’s paternal surname is Shirk. His birth name is, with a high probability, Albert Enos Shirk, Jr.. His mother’s maiden name is Scarth, per the web source I have found.

    The link for that last bit of information, which should be of course compared to the links I provided in my previous reply, and used in combination with them, is this:

    https://www.myheritage.com.br/names/clara_scarth

  387. Pretty funny.

    To resolve the question of whether Lindemann is Jewish, I simply emailed him. Are you Jewish?

    No, he is not. He sent me a detailed description of his genealogy — and he is inarguably not Jewish.

    …unless, of course, he’s lying

    • Thanks: Ron Unz
  388. @Fran Taubman

    ‘Jihad (the resistance) against the Jews is over Anon…’

    Would you say that resistance is futile, Fran?

    • Replies: @Talha
  389. @geokat62

    You are conflating many many different ideas and events into one post. The mark of a simpleton. Please. This is confusing.

    This thread started out on the subject of Anne Frank, you were the one that switched it to Leo Frank Poor Mary. You know the Frank connection? I have never heard of Leo Frank until you mentioned it. You are dripping with desire to show the mendacity of a Jewish rapist and murder. You hate Jews. The death of Mary a gentile girl rapped by the evil conniving Jew affirms your feeling. I am not here to defend criminal Jews. Only to point out that Jews have bad and good people like all other people. I do not think a Jewish person killed Jean Bennet Ramsey, an equally chilling story. Poor Jean Bennet.

    My defense of the Jews is not a collective defense on its own. It is a collective defense against collective attacks at Jews by Jew haters like yourself. You are obsessed with Jews, blaming them for all the ills in the world. An irrational hatred that can be proved false by every metric. Similar to KMac, whose work is not taken seriously because of his bias. He is not looking for a conclusion like a true scientist objectively observing experiments. KMac starts with his conclusion about the universal behavior of Jews, and collates the data to prove his Jew hatred.

    I am not defending the ADL, but people like you bring it on. You are on a path that could leas to very serious consequences for the Jews collectively. You and people on this site like SC2 and Phillip Giraldi, are a hairs breath from calling for violence against Jews, playing semantic games to avoid that label of calling for collective Jewish punishment like we all witnessed in WW2. We have to ask the question of what you all propose to solve the JQ? What would you want to see happen to the Jews? The answers you would give would make the hair in our nose curl, and would be beyond most peoples standards of acceptance. So you bring it on.

    In my post to Ron my thoughts were that I cannot imagine the Jewish community defending a rapist murderer, by crying anti-semitism. I have never seen that before. Jews have always convicted criminal Jews without sentimentality about being Jewish. I expect Jews to rally behind an innocent person being accused of a crime like Alfred Dreyfus of treason. There have been many innocent Jews wrongly accused as in middle evil times where Jews were accused of killing Christian children and using their blood for Matzohs. If the Jewish community defended a guilty man that is the first I have heard of that happening. I cannot think of similar incident.

    That’s exactly how the B’nai B’rith viewed it, Fran. Their intent was to exonerate Frank at all costs, because a Jew raping and murdering a 13 year old shiksa was deemed “bad for the community.“ That’s why leaders of the community probably bribed Alonzo Mann to throw his brother, Jim Conley, under the bus for thirty pieces of silver.

    BTW. I went to the Pravda post of Ron’s on the Frank Case. You were arguing with Incy about the same subject. You posted a video of Caroline Click. She is my heroine. Caroline echoes my thoughts exactly. Hitler did not kill the Jews he killed god so he could become one. The Jews would never solute him as being a god. Caroline is right about the Jews being in the way of totalitarian take over. I do not want to drift into another topic.

  390. @Art

    Look at all the evil that all the Jew cohesive organizations have done and are doing to America.

    They could not manage to save Leo Frank.

    • Replies: @Art
    , @Colin Wright
  391. Talha says:
    @Colin Wright

    Jihad

    Speaking of…

    I’ve been waiting for this. Impressive trailer. Disappointed that he used the word “crusade” instead of “jihad” like in the book. Another casualty of the language police.

    To strip it of the Muslim/Islamic lore that is a major part of that imaginative world is a massive disservice.

    Peace.

  392. @Ron Unz

    I cannot think of a similar case, where the Jewish community rallied behind a guilty man and tried to blame innocent people for his crime. Adolf Ochs was very self conscious of preferential treatment of his paper towards Jews. He is accused of deliberately under reporting Holocaust and what was happening to the Jews. It was a big deal. Jews would usually walk away from Frank, knowing the truth would eventually come out.
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/the-sulzberger-family-a-complicated-jewish-legacy-at-the-new-york-times/#gs.g2ukjl

    The family’s Jewish history — Adolph Ochs was the child of German Jewish immigrants — has often been the subject of fascination and scrutiny, especially during and after World War II, when the paper was accused of turning a blind eye to atrocities against Jews.

    I am not denying what you are reporting, especially since Ochs admitted to hating Frank personally. It just flies in the face of everything I have heard about him. Why would Ochs defend a guilty man? Why would the Jewish community try to blame innocent black men for a Jews crimes? Makes no sense to me. I know that you love the idea of the Jews collectively involved in crimes to protect themselves, it is not a theory I embrace or have witnessed.

  393. Art says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Look at all the evil that all the Jew cohesive organizations have done and are doing to America.

    They could not manage to save Leo Frank.

    Bad Frannie – Bad Frannie — there is hope — Trump will pardon Frank!

  394. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    The mark of a simpleton. Please. This is confusing.

    The juxtaposition of these three sentences is quite remarkable, Fran. Only you could craft these sentences… and place them one after the other.

    This thread started out on the subject of Anne Frank…

    I thought this thread started out with Gilad positing his brilliant thesis on the perennial battle between Jerusalem and Athens?

    I am not here to defend criminal Jews. Only to point out that Jews have bad and good people like all other people.

    Here’s your initial response when I first broached the topic of little Mary Phagan:

    No idea who killed Mary, and I could care less, but my bet in looking at photos of the pale Yid spaghetti like Frank and the buck schvartzer, well it is a no brainer, no?

    Forgive me for assuming you were defending criminal Jews.

    I am not defending the ADL, but people like you bring it on..

    Why not defend the ADL, Fran? They seem to embrace virtually the same mission statement as you do:

    We’re not here to defend criminal Jews. Only to point out that Jews have bad and good people like all other people.

    You are on a path that could lead to very serious consequences for the Jews collectively

    We may have started down a path of resistance, Fran, but Jewish Supremacist Organizations have been marching down the path of destroying our homelands for over a century. They have been advocating for open societies by pushing for mass immigration to the point where ethnic majorities of Western countries will become minorities in a few short decades.

    Just look how well mass immigration is working out for America, Fran. The ADL assured everyone in the 90s that Diversity Is A Strength. That was the sales pitch. How well had reality lived up to expectations? Just take a look at what’s unfolding in several cities across America.

    No. just as communism was originally sold as a workers’ paradise, multiculti was sold as something that would usher in a more tolerant world, one that would eventually bring an end to world conflict. But the facts on the street paint a completely different picture. Fran. Could it be the ADL and George Soros were advocating open borders for America and for Europe for ulterior motives? That a pluralistic society was really “good for the Jews,” but destructive for the goyim?

    We have to ask the question of what you all propose to solve the JQ? What would you want to see happen to the Jews?

    Didn’t Herzl already devise a solution to the JQ? Do you have a better proposal?

    I have never seen that before. Jews have always convicted criminal Jews without sentimentality about being Jewish.

    Forgive me, Fran, but from the goyim’s perspective, all we see is Organized Jewry working hard to spring convicted criminal Jews. A few examples that come to mind are Jonathan Pollard, Marc Rich, Sholom Rubashkin (the former CEO of America’s largest kosher meat processing plant who was convicted in 2009 of a series of fraud charges), etc, etc, etc.

    If the Jewish community defended a guilty man that is the first I have heard of that happening. I cannot think of similar incident.

    Think harder, Fran.

    You posted a video of Caroline Click. She is my heroine.

    Glick? That explains everything!

    I do not want to drift into another topic.

    Nor do I.

  395. @Fran Taubman

    ‘Look at all the evil that all the Jew cohesive organizations have done and are doing to America.

    They could not manage to save Leo Frank.’

    Well, that was 1915. They were just getting started.

    • Replies: @Art
  396. @geokat62

    ‘I have never seen that before. Jews have always convicted criminal Jews without sentimentality about being Jewish.

    ‘Forgive me, Fran, but from the goyim’s perspective, all we see is Organized Jewry working hard to spring convicted criminal Jews. A few examples that come to mind are Jonathan Pollard, Marc Rich, Sholom Rubashkin (the former CEO of America’s largest kosher meat processing plant who was convicted in 2009 of a series of fraud charges), etc, etc, etc.’

    …not to mention Jewish criminals routinely finding sanctuary in Israel and Israeli Jews committing outright murder and getting away with little or no punishment. Fran manages to reverse reality.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  397. @Fran Taubman

    ‘…You posted a video of Caroline Click. She is my heroine…’

    That figures. I find her morally repulsive.

    • Agree: SolontoCroesus
  398. @geokat62

    I am reposting Caroline Glick She describes you to a “T”. Someone who suspends reason, to hate Jews. You have no reason or rational thought capable of explaining your observations. Jews maybe part of a movement that you find destructive to your way of life. But this movement contains people from every ethnic and religious background, it is a movement it is not just “Jews”. Like your insistence that Frank is guilty of murder and rape. You believe Mary represents everything that you love, and like Mary, the Jews are coming to rape and murder everything you love. All of us Jews are Leo Frank. We are all Leo. Caroline Glick gets it. Everything she says is true. You represent the heart and soul of her argument. Admit it you want a Jewish genocide to solve your problems. You want us gone. The founding fathers were very into Judaism and the Torah. Jewish jurisprudence.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @geokat62
  399. Art says:
    @Colin Wright

    They could not manage to save Leo Frank.’ — Bad Frannie Bad Frannie

    Well, that was 1915. They were just getting started.

    How will the Jews spin Epstein in a 100 years?

    “Pioneer of sexual awakening and freedom, chose death rather than give the Luddites the satisfaction of a trial.”

    • LOL: AnonStarter
  400. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Admit it you want a Jewish genocide to solve your problems. You want us gone. The founding fathers were very into Judaism and the Torah. Jewish jurisprudence.

    As I’ve previously pointed out, Fran, you’ve got a knack for stringing together completely independent sentences, lol.

    P.S. I’ll respond to the “heart and soul” of your comment in the morning, Fran. It’s getting late. Goodnight.

  401. geokat62 says:
    @Colin Wright

    Fran manages to reverse reality.

    She reverses it, inverts it, and ultimately butchers it.

  402. ‘Fran manages to reverse reality.

    ‘She reverses it, inverts it, and ultimately butchers it.’

    Maybe we should just have a ‘Fran’ thread. Seriously. Fran can post there — and nowhere else. The rest of us can go there when we feel like fighting with Fran. It seems to me this would be superior to the current situation in several respects.

    • Agree: AnonStarter
  403. @Fran Taubman

    people on this site like SC2 and Phillip Giraldi, are a hairs breath from calling for violence against Jews, playing semantic games to avoid that label of calling for collective Jewish punishment like we all witnessed in WW2.

    Serious charge, Fran.

    Serious claims require serious evidence.
    Cite the instance where SC2 [sic] called for “violence against Jews,” or concede that your basis is the cacophony in your head and retract the claim.

  404. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    You have no reason or rational thought capable of explaining your observations.

    As previously discussed, I think Prof. Kevin MacDonald has developed a rational theoretical model that best explains the observations we’re currently witnessing.

    Jews maybe part of a movement that you find destructive to your way of life. But this movement contains people from every ethnic and religious background, it is a movement it is not just “Jews”.

    It is very true that JSOs were not the only group that was pushing for open societies, ones that are liberal and pluralistic. There were indeed many others. But as both Prof MacDonald and Barbara Lerner Spectre have pointed out, Jewish Supremacist groups have played, are playing, and will be playing THE leading role in the destruction of our homelands:

    I think there is a resurgence of anti-Semitism because at this point in time Europe has not yet learned how to be multicultural. And I think we are going to be part of the throes of that transformation, which must take place. Europe is not going to be the monolithic societies they once were in the last century. Jews are going to be at the centre of that. It’s a huge transformation for Europe to make. They are now going into a multicultural mode and Jews will be resented because of our leading role. But without that leading role and without that transformation, Europe will not survive. – BLS

    Admit it you want a Jewish genocide to solve your problems.

    As I’ve repeatedly stated on this platform, I’m calling on all Jewish Supremacist Organizations to cease and desist pursuing the implementation of these nefarious policies. I’m calling on them to SHUT IT DOWN.

    I’d like to see a reversal of these damaging policies take place and our homelands restored to a more “normal” footing.

    Simply put, this culture of critique must come to an end!

    • Replies: @geokat62
  405. geokat62 says:
    @geokat62

    But as both Prof MacDonald and Barbara Lerner Spectre have pointed out, Jewish Supremacist groups have played, are playing, and will be playing THE leading role in the destruction of our homelands:

    Since I invoked the good Prof.’s name, I might as well give you his prediction of the impact mass immigration will have on the West:

    And this is a disaster. This is an absolute cataclysmic disaster for the white majority. And it is the result of Jewish activism. So that’s a fundamental statement made. When I started reading about that, that’s when I got angry…

    But when you’re importing over 60 million people, you can’t undo that, very well. That’s setting up a massive ethnic conflict

    Mess with peoples’ homelands, don’t expect them to be overjoyed.

    Thanks Jewish Supremacist Organizations!

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  406. @geokat62

    Caroline Click would agree with you RE: immigration and left wing politics. The policy issues you want changed can be discussed and voted on by like minded people including Jews. Blaming Jewish activism like you and KMac is abstract and meaningless. Activist are individuals. Some Jewish some not. But you know this.

    How do you propose stopping Jewish Supremacist Organizations from promoting the policies you think are destroying your country and the world at large? By telling them to stop, like your last post. Just Stop now? Mainstream people looking at immigration are not blaming Jews, they are trying to come up with solutions to address the problems by ending chain migration etc. Changing immigration laws will require a consensus, a broad based support from a large part of the population. Stephen Miller is championing your position within the Trump administration. He is a Jew.

    Normal people will view your obsession with Leo Frank as unmitigated Jew hatred. To you Leo Frank represents all Jews as a collective and Mary Phagan represents the entire victimization of the Christian world. Leo Frank like all Jews are destroyers by nature of their very being. All of us. To you the Jewish inner persona, in the core of our soles lies a secret mission to destroy the world and take control. You do not view Leo Frank as individual committing a heinous crime. Thousands of girls are murdered and raped by non Jewish men. Rape and murder of the innocent is not the purview of Jewish men. It is like SC2 calling the Pittsburg temple shooting a false flag by Jews, or PG calling for an end to Jews in politics because they have dual loyalty. Your Jew hatred like Caroline Glick says has suspended reason.

    The majority of the world thinks that you and Kmac are deranged people, incapable of reason and logic to understand the world beyond your obsession with the Jews. Like Carolyn says Jew haters have suspended reason and logic. You are pissing in the wind, you will change nothing. Because your viewpoints about Jews are irrational.

    Immigration is not your focus. Jews are. You just refuse to come clean, and instead scream about Jewish Supremacist Organizations which is just a euphemism for Jews as a collective. People are not stupid. They have seen this script before. The script says that those who promote collective Jewish hatred have a future plan for collective Jew punishment. One always follows the other. Always. What form will that collective Jew punishment take? Right now it is kept a secret. You would not want to scare away the masses. There is nothing new or original here. It has all played out many times before. Listen to the Caroline Glick video again. Know where you have been Geo and where you are going. The answer is no where.

  407. U.S. is in Middle East ‘to protect Israel’ not for oil, Trump says

    https://www.unz.com/announcement/open-thread-3/#comment-4163975

    • Thanks: Talha
  408. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Blaming Jewish activism like you and KMac is abstract and meaningless.

    Sorry, Fran. Notwithstanding your attempts at deflection, the whole cultural Marxist ideology of political correctness – where we’re all interchangeable widgets, there are no group differences, race is a social construct, diversity is our greatest strength … the whole kit and caboodle – was foisted onto our societies by JSOs. So with all due respect, blaming it on Jewish activism isn’t meaningless. On the contrary, it’s very meaningful.

    How do you propose stopping Jewish Supremacist Organizations from promoting the policies you think are destroying your country and the world at large?

    How did one stop Bolshevism from progressing when it was first introduced to Russia in 1917? You let it play out and reach a point where the official narrative can no longer be sustained because the facts people are witnessing with their eyes are inconsistent with the official narrative. Time will also bring down this cultural Marxist paradigm… only this time the edifice will crumble to the ground much faster because the lies are that much more untenable.

    Normal people will view your obsession with Leo Frank as unmitigated Jew hatred.

    Leo Frank? That treachery occurred over a century ago. No, Fran. My obsession is more immediate. I obsess over the future of my children and grandchildren. Due to the cultural Marxist poison unleashed by JSOs, I obsess over how they will cope trying to survive in the anti-white hellholes our countries will have been turned into. This is my obsession, Fran.

    The majority of the world thinks that you and Kmac are deranged people… Because your viewpoints about Jews are irrational.

    Irrational? That might be true today, Fran. But, with each passing day, more and more of the dumb goyim are waking up to the truths of the damage JSOs have inflicted on our nations with their cultural Marxist poison and their push to open up our countries to mass immigration. Why do you think Trumpstein signed the antisemitism EO and why do you think JSOs are lobbying to remove 2nd amendment rights?

    Immigration is not your focus. Jews are.

    Like most people, my focus is on the future of my kids and grandkids. And because of mass immigration and the lie of systemic racism, their futures look bleak. So, it’s natural to try and discover who promoted the benefits of mass immigration and the benefits of cultural enrichment that we were supposed to derive from multiculturalism. Someone worked hard to sell this product to the dumb goyim, Fran. When someone sells you a product that doesn’t live up to the sales pitch, most people feel entitled to a refund. The same applies to mass immigration and multiculturalism. Someone said it was a good thing. It’s turning out that that was a blatant lie. As a result, a lot of people will be lining up at the door of JSOs, like the ADL, demanding a refund. Not because they hate Jews, but because they love their children and grandchildren.

    Know where you have been Geo and where you are going. The answer is no where.

    We’ll see about that, Fran.

  409. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Ron Unz

    Mr. Unz:

    I have read the entirety of the multi-party debate of which a segment is your comment of September 13, 2020 at 1:31 pm GMT (comment # 376), to which this comment (mine) responds.

    I confess I have NOT read your two “long articles” that you reference:
    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-anti-semitism-a-century-ago/
    AND
    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-adl-in-american-society/

    But I did scour your comment (to which this comment responds) — and two others of your comments [cited infra]. I found zero relevant, competent evidence that could support a verdict that Frank was guilty — or even evidence that could enable the rape or murder charge to survive a motion praying dismissal for lack of “substantial evidence” sufficient both (a) to identify Frank to the alleged rape or murder and (b) to prove every element each crime charged. [“Substantial evidence” is “relevant, competent evidence a reasonable mind might deem adequate to support a charge.”]

    Your comment’s zero evidence flaw is material since your comment replied to Colin Wright’s comment that stated, inter alia, this:

    And returning to Ron’s piece and scanning it, he doesn’t actually seem to establish much of a case that Frank did it — Ron’s emphasis seemed to be more on the pressure brought on Frank’s behalf rather than the actual question of guilt. That is of interest, but doesn’t actually demonstrate that Frank carried out the crime.

    The same zero evidence flaw mars your comment of September 13, 2020 at 5:32 pm GMT (comment # 380). And in your comment of September 13, 2020 at 7:45 pm GMT (comment # 386), on premise of zero evidence, you put this contumelious mass pseudo-libel:

    …wealthy Jewish groups across the country raised enormous sums to defend him [Frank], totaling as much as $25 million in present-day dollars…. ***

    A large fraction of that money was spent on…massive bribery, with numerous witnesses perjuring themselves in Frank’s defense.

    Am I competent to assert that your comment bears “zero relevant, competent evidence that could support a verdict that Frank was guilty……[etc.]”?

    During the 26-years-long stretch of the teaching aspect of my law-professorship, I taught evidence law 22 times (four times in law schools ranked among the top 15 of U.S. law schools), federal court practice four times, criminal law once, law & statistics five times, legal method once, and civil procedure twice.

    Of my numerous publications, nine law review articles are devoted to matters of evidence, sufficiency of evidence, legal proof, and the proper relation of statistics and legal proof. Those law review articles have influenced decisions of the U.S. Supreme Court, sundry lower federal courts, and the highest courts of several states; and they are followed or cited approvingly by publications of numerous other legal scholars.

    Because of a brief email exchange we had, you, Mr. Unz, know I am a law professor. That email exchange identified me and my pertinent profession and included my legal memorandum that outlined possible legal premises of your obtaining damages and injunctive relief from Google’s de-platforming Unz Review.

    The Frank case does not interest me — since it is just one of an incalculable number of cases of actual, or likely, unjust criminal convictions of individuals of virtually every religion or ethnicity of modern times. Nor do I find any fascination in the silly question of whether Lindemann is a “Jew” or whether “Lindemann” is or could be a “Jewish” surname.

    [MORE]

    But I do find interesting your evidence-free, evidence-evading, evidence-misrepresenting, specious-logic, oft-fallacious, frequently-arrogant argument-method.

    What is your proof of the bribery and perjury you claim occurred? By what measure do you account that the Jewish-group-raised money was “$25 million in present-day dollars”? What are your proofs of your other remarkable scurrilous assertions.

    In your comment of September 13, 2020 at 5:32 pm GMT (comment # 389), you say you are “95% sure of Frank’s guilt.” But you adduce zero evidence — rather than repeated observations that Frank was a “Jew” whose defense was supported by “Jews” and “Jewish groups” and “Jew”-paid “bribes” and “Jew”-bought “perjury” (the criminal accusations of which you premise on zero evidence).

    Will you defend that your two “long articles” bear proof? If so, adduce, in this thread, at least some summaries and excerpts of your two long articles’ proofs.

    Several times, I have exposed your spurious, oft-arrogant argument-method. Most interesting is the dark fact that your fallacious, invalid, or sophistic arguments associate significantly with your apparent religious, ethnic, and racial biases — e.g., your “arguments” concerning Black-crime/non-Black-crime relative frequencies, the murder of George Floyd, and the religion or conduct of “Jews” — AND, relatedly, the character or credibility of commenters who challenge your “arguments.”

    COMPARE, e.g,, the following:

    * all of my comments posted under your article “Race and Crime in America,” https://www.unz.com/runz/race-and-crime-in-america/

    * under John-Paul Leonard’s article “Or Did George Floyd Die of a Drug Overdose?,” https://www.unz.com/article/or-did-george-floyd-die-of-a-drug-overdose/
    my comments of June 28, 2020 at 1:48 am GMT (comment # 533) and June 28, 2020 at 2:59 pm GMT (comment # 546) and July 5, 2020 at 12:05 am GMT (comment # 686); also my comment of June 29, 2020 at 5:01 pm GMT (comment # 591 of the same thread)

    * under Eric Striker’s article “Jewish Brilliance: Synthetic Like Zirconia,” https://www.unz.com/estriker/jewish-brilliance-synthetic-like-zirconia/
    my comment of January 28, 2020 at 5:33 am GMT (comment # 100)

    * under Fred Reed’s article “Her Name Is Breonna Taylor,” https://www.unz.com/freed/her-name-is-breanna-taylor/
    my comment of June 10, 2020 at 2:12 am GMT (comment # 401)

    * under Paul Craig Roberts’s article “All Races Suffer from Police Violence,” https://www.unz.com/proberts/all-races-suffer-from-police-violence/
    my comment of June 5, 2020 at 12:41 am GMT (comment # 14)

    * under your article “Half a Pulitzer Prize to the Wall Street Journal,” https://www.unz.com/announcement/half-a-pulitzer-prize-to-the-wall-street-journal/
    my comments of August 26, 2020 at 12:29 am GMT (comment # 202) and August 27, 2020 at 4:30 am GMT (comment # 278) and August 28, 2020 at 2:44 am GMT (comment # 302)

    * under Mike Whitney’s article “CODENAME: Operation Virus Identification 2019; the Elitist Plan to Remake Society,”
    https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/codename-operation-virus-identification-2019-the-elitist-plan-to-remake-society/
    my comment of August 19, 2020 at 1:26 am GMT (comment # 267)

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  410. Pals, Mullahs, and the Resistance are now in the ash heap of history.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-long-road-to-israels-very-good-month-11600124843?mod=opinion_featst_pos1

    Beyond that, more Arabs are beginning to see the advantages in working with Israel. Israel is not, as many Arabs once believed, a fragile artificial society held together by U.S. support. It is by any measure the most successful state in the Middle East with the most technologically advanced economy in the region. Chinese, Russian, Japanese, Indian and American military leaders all want the benefits of Israeli tech.

    Timing aside, the Arab rapprochement with Israel is no pre-election stunt staged to help Donald Trump. It reflects a sober and serious response to realities that no Arab state can ignore. As a military and intelligence partner, as a diplomatic force multiplier, as a trading partner, as a source of investment and of development expertise, Israel is too valuable to the Arab world to be relegated to the status of a regional pariah. It has earned its place in the Middle East

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  411. @Fran Taubman

    ‘Caroline Click…’

    Since she’s your heroine and all, you could at least start spelling her name right.

  412. @Fran Taubman

    ‘Pals, Mullahs, and the Resistance are now in the ash heap of history.’

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-long-road-to-israels-very-good-month-11600124843?mod=opinion_featst_pos1

    Yes, we know the Wall Street Journal is slavishly loyal to Israel. It once employed the odious Bret Stephens.

    As to the author of the piece you cite, his upcoming book is entitled, ‘The Arc of a Covenant: The United States, Israel, and the Fate of the Jewish People.’

    You might as well print quotes from Goebbels on how Germany is sure to win the war.

  413. @geokat62

    ‘Know where you have been Geo and where you are going. The answer is no where.

    We’ll see about that, Fran.’

    You refer to your children and grandchildren. Fran doesn’t have any.

    Ergo — unless your claim was figurative — Fran’s not in a position to criticize.

  414. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Ron Unz

    This note emends my comment of September 15, 2020 at 12:43 am GMT (comment # 421). In the third paragraph of that comment, the second sentence is:

    I found zero relevant, competent evidence that could support a verdict that Frank was guilty — or even evidence that could enable the rape or murder charge to survive a motion praying dismissal for lack of “substantial evidence” sufficient both (a) to identify Frank to the alleged rape or murder and (b) to prove every element each crime charged.

    The language

    (b) to prove every element each crime charged

    ought to be

    (b) to prove every element of each crime charged

  415. @geokat62

    Geo you did not respond to the most critical of condemnation in my post. The exposure to the tried and failed method of collective Jew hatred. Blaming all Jews for the crime of one Jew. Assigning all Jews the unlikable politics of a few Jews.

    Logic and reason needs to be suspended to follow your arguments regarding blaming JSO for all the worlds problems. Logic and reason needs to be suspended regarding Jewish elites, and your posts here on the Leo Frank case. You insane comment below comparing Mann to the sell out of Jesus for thirty pieces of silver.

    That’s exactly how the B’nai B’rith viewed it, Fran. Their intent was to exonerate Frank at all costs, because a Jew raping and murdering a 13 year old shiksa was deemed “bad for the community.“ That’s why leaders of the community probably bribed Alonzo Mann to throw his brother, Jim Conley, under the bus for thirty pieces of silver.

    My response which you never addressed. See below. Posting again to emphasize why you are going nowhere. Cosmic Jew hatred. Been there done that says the world. They will shut you down. Answer this Geo.

    Normal people will view your obsession with Leo Frank as unmitigated Jew hatred. To you Leo Frank represents all Jews as a collective and Mary Phagan represents the entire victimization of the Christian world. Leo Frank like all Jews are destroyers by nature of their very being. All of us. To you the Jewish inner persona, in the core of our soul lies a secret mission to destroy the world and take control. You do not view Leo Frank as individual committing a heinous crime. Thousands of girls are murdered and raped by non Jewish men.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  416. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    You insane comment below comparing Mann to the sell out of Jesus for thirty pieces of silver.

    I did indeed suggest that Mann was probably bribed to sell another black man down the river. But, if you look at the sequence of comments, I only did so after having read two comments posted by our good host Ron Unz bringing to light the amount of bribery committed by JSOs

    Comment #1

    Meanwhile, it seems undeniable that the outpouring of popular anger against Frank was produced by the vast ocean of outside Jewish money—at least $15 million or more in present-day dollars—that was committed to the legal efforts to save the life of someone widely regarded as a brutal murderer. There are strong suggestions that far more improper means were also employed, including bribery and influence-peddling, so that after Frank was convicted by a jury of his peers and thirteen separate legal appeals were denied, a governor with strong personal ties to the defense lawyers and Jewish interests chose to spare Frank’s life a few months before leaving office…

    https://www.unz.com/gatzmon/apocalypse-now-2/#comment-4160974

    Comment #2

    A large fraction of that money was spent on detectives and massive bribery, with numerous witnesses perjuring themselves in Frank’s defense.

    https://www.unz.com/gatzmon/apocalypse-now-2/#comment-4161659

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  417. @geokat62

    Mann was not Judah and Mary Phagan was not Jesus. If you do not understand you are more lost then I thought. You are pursuing a worn out path of those who believe in the perpetual evil of the Jews for killing Jesus continually hurling thru time, at the same speed. Similar to the Arab Jihad against the Jews it will ultimately fail.

    For the Muslims it was never about land and the Palestinians. It was about Islam eliminating their competitors the Jews, who would not accept Mohammed. The invention of the Palestinian people, (who were always just Arabs living in an Ottoman province.) never thought of themselves as a separate people, until 1967. All of these arguments again as Caroline Glick points out is the suspension of reality towards Jew hatred leading to the conclusion to eliminate or the collective punishishment the Jews. I say again Mary Phagan was not Jesus Christ, and Mann was not Judah
    .
    The Leo Frank case to you is a biblical representation of the continuation of Jewish evil, and punishing the Jews for killing Jesus.

    You do not have an answer for this Geo, you never will. It will always, always be your Waterloo. People know.

  418. You can now now!! order Glatt Kosher meals in any hotel in Dubai. So fast to open their arms. It is just a matter of moments before the Suni world declares the Jews their long lost brothers. Just a moments away. I predict a coming together beyond imagination. Big hugs and kisses. Suni Islamic Jew hatred is over, which will overwhelm and defeat the Shia resistance.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  419. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Mann was not Judah and Mary Phagan was not Jesus. If you do not understand you are more lost then I thought. You are pursuing a worn out path…

    I’m pursuing a worn out path?

    Give it a rest, Fran.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  420. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Big hugs and kisses. Suni Islamic Jew hatred is over, which will overwhelm and defeat the Shia resistance.

    I can understand why you’re all giddy with excitement, Fran. But, against the backdrop of Oded Yinon or Clean Break plans, the Sunni Muslims? … not so much.

    As I’ve indicated before, their plan (see Oded Yinon or A Clean Break) can be characterized as consisting of three phases:

    Act I – Remove Sunni regimes that are hostile to the villa in the jungle (see Iraq and Libya)

    Act II – Take a Sunni turn by supporting Sunni terrorist organizations (see al-Qaida, IS, al-Nusra Front, etc,) to destabilize the regimes that make up the Shia Crescent (Iran, Syria, Hezbollah)

    Act III – Prod KSA to lead the Sunnis in a long and bloody religious war against the Shia Crescent, led by Iran

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  421. Ron Unz says:
    @Loup-Bouc

    I confess I have NOT read your two “long articles” that you reference…But I did scour your comment (to which this comment responds) — and two others of your comments [cited infra]. I found zero relevant, competent evidence that could support a verdict that Frank was guilty…

    Well, duh! My brief comments weren’t intended to demonstrate Frank’s guilt since I have better things to do with my time. As I mentioned, my article included a couple of thousand words outlining some of the strong evidence, so why should I bother repeating myself?

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-adl-in-american-society/

    And I’d hardly cite my article as the most detailed source since it merely summarized some of the overwhelming evidence provided in the outstanding 200,000 word monograph on the case that I had very highly recommended:

    https://noirg.org/store/#!/The-Secret-Relationship-Between-Blacks-and-Jews-Volume-3/p/65266021/

    If you’re too lazy to bother reading that book or even my article, where do you expect to find the evidence of Frank’s guilt? In a 140 character Tweet?

    Because of a brief email exchange we had, you, Mr. Unz, know I am a law professor. That email exchange identified me and my pertinent profession…

    Well, since you cited your email, I assume that I am free to discuss it. You seem an exceptionally pompous and long-winded individual, endlessly quoting yourself in a manner regularly irritates other commenters on this website.

    Also, given your intense focus on Jewish issues, a number of those commenters have naturally asked you whether you were Jewish, and you have repeatedly denied it, always claiming to be “Finno-Ugric.” Now “Finno-Ugric” is the broader language family that includes Finnish and Hungarian, but in my entire life I’ve never heard anyone claim to be “Finno-Ugric” any more than some ordinary American of French ancestry would describe himself as “Indo-European.” People from Finland say they’re Finnish and people from Hungary call themselves Hungarian.

    And oddly enough, in the email you sent me you (purportedly) used your real last name, which was rather typically Jewish, and most certainly neither Finnish nor Hungarian.

    Thus, aside from being an extremely pompous windbag, you also seem to be pathologically dishonest in your comments, and perhaps even a “self-hating Jew” (LOL!) who wishes he were actually Finnish or Hungarian.

    Based upon this information, other commenters can decide for themselves whether your endless blatherings are worthy of their time.

  422. @geokat62

    Will do. Come to Dubai with me and have a kosher meal!!

  423. @geokat62

    You asked me to give it a rest!!! Oded Yinon is a hoax. He was never a member of the government and does not represent Israeli governments view points. A typical Jew hating conspirators comment, revering to some make believe conspiracy. Israeli’s nor Jews sit around and plot and plan regimes and realignments. Israel is a country content within itself to thrive and live in peace and prosperity with it’s neighbors. End of story.
    There is no Oded Yinon plan. And believe me you are talking with someone who has inside info. A true blue Zionist. I would tell you if there was a grand plan Geo. There is none.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  424. geokat62 says:
    @Ron Unz

    And I’d hardly cite my article as the most detailed source since it merely summarized some of the overwhelming evidence provided in the outstanding 200,000 word monograph on the case that I had very highly recommended:

    For those who may be interested in reading the other two NOI volumes, here is a 29-page sampler, Highlights and Key Points of The Secret Relationship Between Blacks and Jews:

    INTRODUCTION
    In 1991 the Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan, National Rep- resentative of The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad and the Nation of Islam (NOI), released The Secret Relationship Between Blacks and Jews in response to the increasingly vicious calumnies made against him by members of the Jewish community. They claimed that The Minister was “anti-Semitic” and that he had somehow wounded the “special relationship” that Jews claimed had always existed between Blacks and Jews. The Jewish attacks on this Black man and the Muslim citizens of the Nation of Islam were unceasing and malicious.

    In its 334 pages The Secret Relationship Between Blacks and Jews, Volume One, conclusively proved that Jews were in fact at the very center of the trans-Atlantic slave trade as merchants, financiers, shippers, and insurers and among the leading international marketers of the products of African slave labor. This information was compiled from texts written by prominent Jewish scholars and historians.

    Two more research volumes have been released that add to this harrowing history. The Secret Relationship Between Blacks and Jews, Vol. 2, and Jews Selling Blacks reveal the TRUE history of the Black–Jewish relationship. This guide provides the Highlights and Key Points of the books, and every fact and quote can be found in and verified by the thousands of footnotes in the books themselves. All three books have been sent to every leader of the Jewish world and to prominent people in media, business, and politics, including the president, congress, and the supreme court.

    Ultimately, Blacks will need to redefine and restructure their relationship with Jews based on accurate analysis of the historical events that shaped Black–Jewish interactions. The Messenger of Allah, The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad, taught that “History is best qualified to reward your research,” for only through that re-education process will Blacks be empowered to establish informed and ef- fective policies for Black advancement that are no longer subject to manipulation or control by any other people.

    https://ia802605.us.archive.org/27/items/pdfy-QurtQ3CGfKFPAulT/TSR.%20Highlights%20Key%20Points1%20Blacks%20and%20Jews.pdf

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
    , @Ron Unz
  425. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    I would tell you if there was a grand plan Geo. There is none.

    Oh, I believe you, Fran.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  426. @geokat62

    I know you do. Date for Kosher meal in Bahrain? Seriously that plan was written in 1980 the other 1996. Too much has happened and nothing could be scripted to this extent. It is just a fantasy.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @geokat62
  427. @geokat62

    In its 334 pages The Secret Relationship Between Blacks and Jews, Volume One, conclusively proved that Jews were in fact at the very center of the trans-Atlantic slave trade as merchants, financiers, shippers, and insurers and among the leading international marketers of the products of African slave labor. This information was compiled from texts written by prominent Jewish scholars and historians

    This has been proven to be false. The Jews played a minuscule part in the owning and transporting of African slaves.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  428. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    This has been proven to be false.

    False, like the Oded Yinon and Clean Break plans are false, Fran?

    According to the NOI sampler: “and every fact and quote can be found in and verified by the thousands of footnotes in the [Jewish] books themselves.”

    Have you personally perused those thousands of footnotes, Fran, before reaching your conclusion that it’s all false?

    Sure, you did.

  429. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Date for Kosher meal in Bahrain?

    I don’t do Kosher… but date for Palestinian meal in Al-Quds?

  430. geokat62 says:

    New Swedes trying their best to knock some sense into Old Swedes that Diversity Is NOT A Strength:

    The only question is: Will the Old Swedes wake up before it’s too late?

  431. @Ron Unz

    Now you’ve done it, Ron.

    One look at that comment & ADL will smack you down for Hate speakery, maybe even antisemitism.

  432. @Fran Taubman

    . . . a worn out path of those who believe in the perpetual evil of the Jews for killing Jesus continually hurling thru time . . .

    I spent the first 2/3 of my life in as intensely Catholic an environment as you can imagine.

    The first time I heard someone refer to Jews as Christ-killers was about 5 years ago when a Jewish friend brought up the topic over lunch.

    No Catholics that I knew ever said such a thing.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  433. @SolontoCroesus

    Well clearly you were not a Jew living in Western Europe during the middle ages when Jews had to hide during Easter.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    , @Prajna
  434. @geokat62

    Seriously Geo. Do you think the NOI is an unbiased source regarding the Jews and slavery and that their statistics are clean? Have you looked this up?

    Have you personally perused those thousands of footnotes, Fran, before reaching your conclusion that it’s all false?

    No of course not but others have I am enclosing a link to an Atlantic Magazine article that speaks about the footnotes extensively. Most were second sourced from very very old Jewish books, and some could not be found.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1995/09/slavery-and-the-jews/376462/

    In my little research I have come across this one statistic like 10 times. So I will repeat it to you

    Mr. Farrakhan also claimed that “75 percent of the slaves owned in the South were owned by Jewish slaveholders.” In 1860, there were about 15,000 Southern Jews and 4 million slaves. If 3 million (75 percent) were so owned, this would mean 200 slaves for every Jewish man, woman and child, or 1,000 slaves for every Jewish head of household. Jews owned only a fraction of 1 percent — thousands, not millions — of the enslaved population. HAROLD BRACKMAN San Diego, Feb. 4, 1994

    My doctoral thesis — while unflinchingly documenting the involvement of Jews in the slave trade — came to the same conclusion as every other reputable work of scholarship: that in the overall scheme of things it was extremely marginal.

    This is by a guy named Harold Brackman who wrote his thesis on Jewish owned slavery. It is in an op-ed in the NY times. The 75 % of Jews is ridiculous.

    https://www.nytimes.com/1994/02/14/opinion/l-jews-had-negligible-role-in-slave-trade-183202.html

    This by another researcher who studied the footnotes and said this.
    https://web.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/collaborationandconflict.pdf

    In the 1860s, before the Civil War, the
    population of the south was approximately 9 million.
    About twenty thousand were Jews, of whom
    approximately 5 thousand owned slaves, or 25 percent.
    In comparison, four hundred thousand, or 5 percent,
    of the white population owned slaves. (Silverman,
    1997, p.74)

    5) Sleeper (1994, p. 249) wrote that “African
    slavery was largely invented by Arab Muslims;
    instituted in the West by European Christians;
    catered to by Africans who sold blacks from other
    tribes; and bankrolled and managed to a very limited
    extent by a small number of Sephardic Jews who owned
    some plantations using slave labor in Brazil and who
    invested in the sugar processing industry which

    Also included the JVL, which I am sure you think is prejudiced but if you are using NOI, JVL seems valid.

    All the conclusions are that the statistics were manipulated to create an appearance of vast Jewish involvement when in fact it was miniscule. Just think of using the 75% of Jews owning slaves.
    A little deceitful no?

    About the invitation for dinner at a Palestinian restaurant in Al-Quds. You are on. Call and make a reservation using Al-Quds and let me know the time and place.

    Below more on the NOI footnotes from the Atlantic article. Too bad NOI does not write a book about NOI’s own involvement in the slave trade. They invented it.

    Footnotes matter because verifiability depends on them. In the Karp-Korn instance we are nearly home, though we do not yet know when the article was published–and, of course, the date matters greatly. We can determine it only by consulting actual copies of the article, which turns out to be “Jews and Negro Slavery in the Old South, 1789-1865,” which originated as an address by the president of the American Jewish Historical Society and was first published in 1961.

    The date, it turns out, falls within a period when Jewish scholarship about the history of Jews in the United States was moving away from predominantly filiopietistic studies of ancestry and achievement and toward a more sophisticated assessment of the role of Jews in American culture. Korn’s article contains a great deal of specific information to which The Secret Relationship has been thoroughly faithful. Overall, though, the conclusions Korn drew from his data were very different: he made a strong and persuasive case that there were few Jews in the planting class in the South, that Jews had historically been forced into commercial enterprises, that in the Old South they were typically city dwellers, that a small number participated in the domestic slave trade, that they treated their slaves no better or worse than other slaveholders, and that the few Jews in the South without exception endorsed slavery. The thrust of Korn’s article was that Jews were not much different from other white southerners in their views on race and slavery.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @geokat62
  435. @Fran Taubman

    clearly you were not a Jew living in Western Europe during the middle ages when Jews had to hide during Easter.

    Were you?

    BTW

    @400

    You and people on this site like SC2 and Phillip Giraldi, are a hairs breath from calling for violence against Jews, playing semantic games to avoid that label of calling for collective Jewish punishment like we all witnessed in WW2.

    —-> @414

    Serious claims require serious evidence.
    Cite the instance where SC2 [sic] called for “violence against Jews,” or concede that your basis is the cacophony in your head and retract the claim.

    —->

    nb. re:

    “You are on a path that could leas to very serious consequences for the Jews collectively.”

    Ever given thought to the notion that Jews are on a path that could lead to serious consequences for the Jews? Do Jews have agency for their behaviors?

  436. Art says:

    Bad Frannie — pumps mendacious peace propaganda.

    A Middle East war axis is forming. The Jew US deep state, Zionist Israel, and extended Saudi Wahhabism. Clearly the Arab dictators are showing their true colors (US greenbacks in Jew banks). Their citizen internal support is shallow. They are vulnerable to Iran rockets.

    The US Jew MSM is declaring “ME peace in our time” when we know the opposite is true – this is preparation for a war on Iran, Syria, and Lebanon (and of course the Palestinians).

    Bad Frannie and her Zionism wants more and more and more!

  437. Art says:

    Bad Frannie — posts long Jew victimhood screed, after long Jew victimhood screed – diverting attention away from Zionism’s war plans.

    We are debating Ana Frank and Leo Frank, as her Zionism builds cohesion for war.

    She falsely accuses us of hate – when she is the model of mendacious Jew hate for anyone who opposes Zionism and its evil.

    We must never accept her analysis of anything – Bad Frannie is all spin.

    • Agree: Kali
  438. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Ron Unz

    (1) You wrote:

    Well, since you cited your email, I assume that I am free to discuss it.

    I sent you two emails, from two email addresses. To each email, I attached a legal memorandum, the same legal memorandum both times.

    In the second email’s body (not its legal-memo attachment), I indicated that my forebears were Magyar and Estonian. I outlined their European origins — back two generations before my father’s and mother’s births — both maternal and paternal sides. I explained, with detail, the origin of my surname, an explanation that fits not-uncommon eastern European social history, especially of the pertinent specific eras and locales.

    “Finno-Ugric” is the broader language family that includes Finnish and Hungarian, but in my entire life I’ve never heard anyone claim to be “Finno-Ugric” any more than some ordinary American of French ancestry would describe himself as “Indo-European.”

    In a few comments — twice because another commenter asked me — after calling my heritage Finno-Ugric, I indicated that my ethnicity is Magyar and Estonian. The term Finno-Ugric references not only a language-group, but also the peoples [Magyar, Finn, Estonian, Samoyed……] whose native tongues are Finno-Ugric ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finno-Ugric_peoples ) — just as “Semitic” or “Semite” denotes both a language group and also peoples [Arab, historic Jew……] whose native tongues are Semitic.

    You assert that I am

    perhaps even a “self-hating Jew”…who wishes he were actually Finnish or Hungarian.

    Numerous times in comments, I have observed that I am an atheist who contemns all religions. In one of the two emails I sent you, I stated that I am not an ethnic Jew. I stated also this: “…though I am an avid anti-Zionist and contemn Zionist Israel and its military’s terrorism and its political and economic influences in other nations, I am not, however, an antisemite, for reasons that…I have stated at Unz Review.

    [I have indicated the same even in THIS thread. See, and compare, my comments of September 6, 2020 at 2:59 am GMT (comment # 152) AND September 8, 2020 at 2:21 am GMT (comment # 230) AND September 11, 2020 at 1:17 am GMT (comment # 311).]

    [MORE]

    I cannot divine a rational cause that would explain anyone’s wishing to be Finnish or Hungarian. What have the Finns or Hungarians accomplished? Who considers Finns or Hungarians worthy of special praise? Why would anyone aspire to be Hungarian or Finnish?

    In a few comments, I have stated that I am a Francophile and Sinophile. I have shown my Francophilia with sentences put in French and with statements that show I love the French language and adore French gothic architecture, the works of Franco-Flemish composers, and sundry aspects of the French way-of-life. I have shown my Sinophilia with recountings of the science and math of the China of 2000 BCE through 1450 CE and with quotes of my translation of Tao Te Ching Chapter 38, which (for stated reasons) I have called the most, if not only, valuable philosophic text — of all time.

    Also, I am not of Finnish, but Estonian, descent. I am not of Hungarian, but Magyar descent.

    “Hungarian” denotes a mishmash of ethnicities of Hungary. Magyar denotes a discrete set of genetic strains. Hungarian is not even a language. Magyar is Hungary’s national tongue. My mother was close as possible (in her time) to being pure Magyar, because, for more than several generations, her Magyar family lived on (and worked) the same rather isolated farm nestled in a valley of a Carpathian-range segment that was part of Magyar Hungary for hundreds of years.

    (2) Your articles tend to be prolix and discursive, much because you clutter them with your past or present personal musings, even self-aggrandizing histories of your shining achievements that are, too often, irrelevant, or just marginally relevant, to your articles’ topics, which topics not infrequently resist clear identification. A few examples:
    * https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-understanding-world-war-ii/
    * https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-racial-discrimination-at-harvard/
    * https://www.unz.com/announcement/half-a-pulitzer-prize-to-the-wall-street-journal/
    * https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-our-coronavirus-catastrophe-as-biowarfare-blowback/

    The last-linked article, https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-our-coronavirus-catastrophe-as-biowarfare-blowback/
    did include some useful historiography (of the Tiananmen Square protests or Tiananmen Square Incident), but that historiography’s utility was diminished by your personal-history musings and your poorly supported, sloppy, inexpert treatment or disregard of medical, genetic, biochemical, epidemiological, and other scientific matters pertinent to the alleged “Covid-19” ‘outbreak.’

    (3) You assert that I

    seem to be pathologically dishonest in [my] comments….

    Prove your assertion. [I have proved my assertion that often your articles and comments are marred by evidence-free, evidence-evading, evidence-misrepresenting, specious-logic, fallacious, frequently-arrogant argument-method. My proofs are in my comments that I cited at the close of my comment to which your comment replies — my comment of September 15, 2020 at 12:43 am GMT (comment # 421).]

    You assert that I am:

    endlessly quoting [myself] in a manner regularly irritates other commenters on this website.

    Actually, I do not quote my earlier language often — but far less frequently than I merely cite (or cross-reference) my earlier comments. But another matter is more important.

    In a comment (of this thread) that responded to a criticism and threat an Unz Review censor inserted into my comment of September 6, 2020 at 5:49 pm GMT (comment # 184, of this thread), I wrote:

    In many contexts, brevity does not equal succinctness, because necessity and sufficiency require extensive, much-detailed, very rigorous consideration. Seldom can sound bites address a matter competently. But succinctness is a virtue I do value. Just so, often, rather than reexamine matters my earlier comments address well, I reference my pertinent earlier comments with suggestion that they supply points that fit my comment that references them.

    So, my comment cross-referencing does NOT cause “clutter,” but prevents it. Just so, such cross-referencing is normal, strongly expected, even required in sundry professions — law, medicine, biology, psychology, economics……..

    Quoted from my comment of September 7, 2020 at 7:44 pm GMT (comment # 218).

    Read a few hundred U.S. Supreme Court and lower federal court opinions. You will encounter the writers’ very frequent quoting and citing their earlier writings quite for the reasons I cite — or, less, quote — my earlier comments: avoidance of redundancy, demonstration of consistency.

    Still, when a good federal-court jurist puts an assertion that another jurist or a lawyer-reader may consider a novel, near-novel, or arguably questionable application of an earlier proposition, the good jurist will both quote or summarize the earlier proposition and show its particular cogency — as I do, but you did NOT do in your comments of September 13, 2020 at 1:31 pm GMT (comment # 376) and September 13, 2020 at 5:32 pm GMT (comment # 380) and September 13, 2020 at 7:45 pm GMT (comment # 386).

    Whether I “regularly [irritate] other commenters” is a pseudo-statistical proposition that your bare assertion cannot prove, just as you cannot prove — with the much-invalid and oft-unreliable raw data you use — your “argument” that Blacks are more violently criminal than are non-Blacks. See my related comments cited at the close of my comment of September 15, 2020 at 12:43 am GMT (comment # 421).

    Still, quite enough commenters appreciate my comments, even my comments’ extensive details. I cited one such commenter in my comment of September 7, 2020 at 7:44 pm GMT (comment # 218): Brás Cubas’s comment of August 19, 2020 at 8:17 pm GMT (comment # 306) posted under Mike Whitney’s article “CODENAME: Operation Virus Identification 2019; the Elitist Plan to Remake Society,” https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/codename-operation-virus-identification-2019-the-elitist-plan-to-remake-society/

    See also, e.g., Art’s comment of September 8, 2020 at 8:51 pm GMT (comment # 240, this thread) — where Art states: “Thanks for your informative reply” — and more than a few of FB’s comments posted under several Unz Review articles and several of Erebus’s comments posted under Israel Shamir’s “Navalny Poison,” https://www.unz.com/ishamir/navalny-poison/

    You assert that I

    seem an exceptionally pompous and long-winded individual….

    Your “exceptionally pompous” assertion depends much on personal taste, or personal preference, or inculcation of etiquette or training of social mores, or…….the ego of the reader. Your assertion cannot submit to proof, because it is a function of circumstantial manifestation(s) of element(s) of character-structure.

    Also, being blunt and immodest does not equal being pompous. George Bernard Shaw (himself blunt and immodest) wrote that the Seven Deadly Sins included: respectability, conventional virtue, …modesty, sentiment, …romance. See p.77 of this: https://archive.org/stream/georgebernardsh01hendgoog/georgebernardsh01hendgoog_djvu.txt
    In the same text, see also pp.82-83.

    Fools — not the virtuous — are diplomatic (dissembling, fraudulent) or modest (false-faced, pretentious, deceptive, neurotic).

    Your “long-winded” assertion disparages my comments’ details, which are necessitated by logic, honor, requirement of clarity……. But quite enough other commenters value my comments’ details.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  439. Ron Unz says:
    @Loup-Bouc

    I sent you two emails, from two email addresses. To each email, I attached a legal memorandum, the same legal memorandum both times.

    In the second email’s body (not its legal-memo attachment), I indicated that my forebears were Magyar and Estonian. I outlined their European origins — back two generations before my father’s and mother’s births

    Well, it does appear that a few months ago you did sent me an interminably long email describing your entire personal ancestry, which I naturally didn’t bother reading.

    In it you explained that your grandparents were Christian Estonian and Christian Hungarian, but they had converted to Orthodox Judaism for various reasons, and had then taken a traditionally Jewish last name when they immigrated to America. And although your father was apparently raised as an Orthodox Jew, he strongly rejected that religion, and instead explored various others, including Hinduism and Buddhism. You emphasized that you yourself were an atheist, a zealous anti-Zionist, and absolutely, positively not a “Jew.”

    Okay, I suppose that’s possible. Offhand, I’d guess that the number of mixed Estonian-Hungarians in America is extremely small, let alone the fraction of those who have distinctly Jewish last names yet are absolutely, positively 100% non-Jewish by original racial ancestry. But on the other hand, your story seems far too strange for anyone to have bothered inventing.

    So maybe I was mistaken about whether or not you’re Jewish. But on the other hand, your comments do conclusively prove that you are indeed an exceptionally pompous windbag…

    • LOL: Bumpkin, Yevardian
    • Replies: @Loup-Bouc
  440. Ron Unz says:
    @geokat62

    In its 334 pages The Secret Relationship Between Blacks and Jews, Volume One, conclusively proved that Jews were in fact at the very center of the trans-Atlantic slave trade as merchants, financiers, shippers, and insurers

    Actually, I don’t think that historical analysis is correct. As far as I can tell, Jews probably didn’t play a central role in the African slave trade.

    Back a few years ago, I’d been pretty impressed with the material presented in the NOI book, and much less impressed with the short Harold Brackman book that attempted to refute it. So at the time I said I thought that the NOI analysis seemed likely to be correct:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-oddities-of-the-jewish-religion/

    But earlier this year, I decided to finally investigate the issue, thinking it might make a good addition to my American Pravda series. So I tracked down and read 4 or 5 academic books on exactly that subject, and these persuaded me that the NOI framework was probably mistaken.

    Based upon their extensive archival research, it seemed that Jews owned, financed, or controlled something like 10-20% of the African slave trade, obviously a huge amount given their minuscule fraction of the West European population of that era, but certainly nothing close to a “dominant” share. At particular times and locations, such as places in Latin America, the figure had been much higher, but overall it seems clear that the NOI implications were mistaken.

    Unfortunately, drilling a lot of dry holes tends to be unavoidable in my historical research efforts…

    • Thanks: Fran Taubman
    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @geokat62
  441. @Fran Taubman

    ‘… I say again Mary Phagan was not Jesus Christ, and Mann was not Judah
    .
    The Leo Frank case to you is a biblical representation of the continuation of Jewish evil, and punishing the Jews for killing Jesus.

    You do not have an answer for this Geo, you never will. It will always, always be your Waterloo. People know.’

    Now, if someone puts this into evidence at your commitment hearing, Fran, you could have a problem.

  442. @geokat62

    ‘… Have you personally perused those thousands of footnotes, Fran, before reaching your conclusion that it’s all false?’

    That would be superfluous. If it reflects badly on Jews, it’s all false.

  443. @Fran Taubman

    ‘… In the 1860s, before the Civil War, the
    population of the south was approximately 9 million.
    About twenty thousand were Jews, of whom
    approximately 5 thousand owned slaves, or 25 percent.
    In comparison, four hundred thousand, or 5 percent,
    of the white population owned slaves…’

    So…Fran…you’re claiming Jews were five times as likely to be slaveowners as gentiles?

  444. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    In my little research I have come across this one statistic like 10 times. So I will repeat it to you

    Mr. Farrakhan also claimed that “75 percent of the slaves owned in the South were owned by Jewish slaveholders.” In 1860, there were about 15,000 Southern Jews and 4 million slaves. If 3 million (75 percent) were so owned, this would mean 200 slaves for every Jewish man, woman and child, or 1,000 slaves for every Jewish head of household. Jews owned only a fraction of 1 percent — thousands, not millions — of the enslaved population. HAROLD BRACKMAN San Diego, Feb. 4, 1994

    My doctoral thesis — while unflinchingly documenting the involvement of Jews in the slave trade — came to the same conclusion as every other reputable work of scholarship: that in the overall scheme of things it was extremely marginal.

    As has already been well documented, Mr. Farrakhan misspoke when he said “75 percent of the slaves owned in the South were owned by Jewish slaveholders.” He meant to say “75 percent of the Jewish households in the South were slaveholders.”

    This startling statistic was based on the diligent work of two Jewish demographers, Lee Soltow and Ira Rosenwaike. The startling part wasn’t that so many Jewish households owned slaves in the 1830s, it was that twice as many Jewish households owned slaves when compared to that of white households, 36% of which owned slaves.

    This is by a guy named Harold Brackman who wrote his thesis on Jewish owned slavery. It is in an op-ed in the NY times. The 75 % of Jews is ridiculous.

    75% of Jews isn’t ridiculous, Fran. 75% of slaves is ridiculous.

    Just think of using the 75% of Jews owning slaves.
    A little deceitful no?

    No. Messed it up again, lol.

    About the invitation for dinner at a Palestinian restaurant in Al-Quds. You are on. Call and make a reservation using Al-Quds and let me know the time and place.

    Great, I’ve made reservations for two at 8pm this Saturday at Al Quds Grillades

    Here’s their menu:
    http://www.alqudsgrillades.com/en/home

    Here’s their address:

    10380 Rue Gouin Ouest H8Y 1S3, Montreal, Quebec

    btw – will you flying or driving up here?

    … and that the few Jews in the South without exception endorsed slavery.

    75% of them owned slaves but few of them endorsed the institution of slavery? Interesting finding, Fran. That’s what I call solid research.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  445. geokat62 says:
    @Ron Unz

    So I tracked down and read 4 or 5 academic books on exactly that subject, and these persuaded me that the NOI framework was probably mistaken

    Do you mind sharing the titles of those 4 or 5 academic books you read?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  446. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    It is just a fantasy.

    Funny. Those were the exact same words Congresswoman Jan Schakowsky used to respond to a query put to her by a reporter. He asked her whether she had any comment on the Turkish spy charges. Based on the FBI’s wire tapping evidence, Sibel Edmonds alleged that Schakowsky was the target of a Turkish sting operation in which a female spy seduced Schakowsky who was thought to have lesbian tendencies. The Turks wanted to get Schakowsky and her husband to perform illegal deeds for them.

    Rep. Schakowsky Denies Lesbian Spy Charges

    Description:

    US Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-IL) has been accused of having a lesbian affair with a Turkish spy. The accuser, Sibel Edmonds, was a translator working for the FBI when she became aware of the alleged affair. Schakowsky denies the entire thing, but a US Dept of Justice report said that the Edmonds accusations have enough merit to warrant a thorough investigation. Schakowsky called Edmonds a liar – in this video, I ask her “It’s all lies?” and she responds, “It is.” But Edmonds has challenged Schakowsky to take a polygraph.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  447. @geokat62

    I never understand the statistics to be 75%of the slaves. I always thought it referred to 75% of the Jews owned slaves. A minuscule amount of the entire population of slave ownership. Let’s not forget the principal claim by the NOI that Jews were a major contributor to the ownership and transportation of African slaves.

    Writer after reputable writer have come to the same conclusion that the NOI statistics are grossly manipulated to form THEIR conclusion that Jews were the backbone of slave ownership and trade. Why else write a book? The point is Geo the NOI information is garbage. Don’t believe me research. Henry Gates black Harvard Professor. Again back to Caroline Glick and the suspension of reason and logic. The mark of collective blame and collective punishment of Jews the mark of an irrational Jew hater. The facts lie straight ahead for you Geo. You just refuse to accept them

    From JVL

    The role some Jews played in the Atlantic slave trade, both as traders and as slave owners, has long been acknowledged by historians. But allegations in recent decades that Jews played a disproportionate role in the enslavement of African Americans — and that this fact has been covered up — have made the topic a controversial one

    * Those who make this case include Louis Farrakhan, leader of the Nation of Islam, and David Duke, the former Ku Klux Klan grand wizard.
    * A search for “Jews” and “slave trade” on YouTube pulls up more than 50,000 videos, most posted by the Nation of Islam, Duke and their supporters.
    * Mainstream scholars for the most part do not accept their conclusions and see the charges as essentially anti-Semitic.
    Other studies, by Harold Brackman and Saul Friedman, reached similar conclusions. In a 1994 article in the New York Review of Books, David Brion Davis, an emeritus professor of history at Yale University and author of an award-winning trilogy of books about slavery, noted that Jews were one of countless religious and ethnic groups around the world to participate in the slave trade:
    The participants in the Atlantic slave system included Arabs, Berbers, scores of African ethnic groups, Italians, Portuguese, Spaniards, Dutch, Jews, Germans, Swedes, French, English, Danes, white Americans, Native Americans, and even thousands of New World blacks who had been emancipated or were descended from freed slaves but who then became slaveholding farmers or planters themselves.
    Davis went on to note that in the American South in 1830 there were “120 Jews among the 45,000 slaveholders owning twenty or more slaves and only twenty Jews among the 12,000 slaveholders owning fifty or more slaves.”

  448. @geokat62

    What does this women have to do with the Atlantic slave trade, the topic we were discussing? Same thing you did with inserting Leo Frank into an Anne Frank discussion. Is this congresswomen Jewish is that the connection? Is she a Jew that committed a crime? Jews are criminal and bad like Leo Frank. You said “it’s a funny thing”. Nothing funny about your accusation. The more this conversation goes on the more irrational you become. This conversation can be put to bed.

    The restaurant you made the reservations at Al Quds is in Canada. My original offer was a kosher meal in Bahrain. You said you did not do kosher. I am sure you can get a non kosher meal there as well. Your offer was Al Quds, Israel. I asked you to make a reservation and that I would meet you there. There is no such place as Al Quds Israel. It is Jerusalem. The capital of Israel. Live in a fantasy world if you like but we will never have dinner there.

  449. Ron Unz says:
    @geokat62

    Do you mind sharing the titles of those 4 or 5 academic books you read?

    Sure:

    Jews and the American Slave Trade (1998) Saul S. Friedman, 325pp

    Jews, Slaves, and the Slave Trade (1998) Eli Faber, 350pp

    Cotton Capitalists (2017) Michael R. Cohen, 250pp

    Cotton and Race in the Making of America (2009) Gene Dattel, 400pp

    The first two books focused exactly on the Jews/Slavery issue, while the other two provided some supplementary information. All four books had lots of important information, but were generally rather dull.

    • Thanks: geokat62
  450. @Fran Taubman

    A legacy of two martyrs [Anne Frank and Rachel Corrie]
    BY Jennifer Loewenstein. Sept 1 2012

    https://mondoweiss.net/2012/09/a-legacy-of-two-martyrs/

    snippet:

    Rachel Corrie is still virtually unknown to the vast majority of the educated US public. Unlike Anne Frank, whose life has been immortalized by the circumstances of her death, Rachel’s name, life, and death have been virtually blacked out of US official history like the news out of Palestine generally. Both remain unknown, obscured, or distorted by deliberate disinformation.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  451. @SolontoCroesus

    Too bad Rachel Corrie never kept a diary. She may have become more famous then AF. Then again AF was not stupid enough to stand in front of a 2 story bulldozer. Frank’s death was much more mundane than Corries, way less dramatic. Comparing the two is ludicrous. Rachel Corrie had free will, Frank was a prisoner.

    • Troll: Art
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    , @geokat62
    , @Colin Wright
  452. geokat62 says:
    @Ron Unz

    Based upon their extensive archival research, it seemed that Jews owned, financed, or controlled something like 10-20% of the African slave trade, obviously a huge amount given their minuscule fraction of the West European population of that era, but certainly nothing close to a “dominant” share.

    Curious to see what you think of Winthrop D Jordan’s characterization of the role Jews played in the transatlantic slave trade. describing it as “a formidable one in the formative years of the trade.”

    For those who may not know Jordan’s background, he was a professor of history and renowned writer on the history of slavery and the origins of racism in the United States.

    Excerpt from. Slavery and the Jews: A review of The Secret Relationship Between Blacks and Jews: Volume One

    If one were to inquire more neutrally into what role Jews played in the Atlantic slave trade, one would find that it was a considerable one during the formative years of the trade, in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries, and a very small one when the trade reached much greater volume, in the eighteenth and early nineteenth centuries . This change in the role of Jews relative to the roles of other Europeans had to do with shifts in power and culture that occurred among various Atlantic-European nations over a period of some 500 years. The trade was dominated first by the Portuguese, then by the Dutch, and then by the English and, to a much lesser extent, the French.

    The reasons for the important role of Jews in the early years of the slave trade are not hard to find. To put the matter in summary terms, Jews in medieval Europe had effectively been pushed by the Western branch of the Christian Church away from land ownership and into commerce and financial dealings. During those early years of western overseas expansion many Jews continued to find opportunities for drawing wealth from commerce and finance. Under heavy threat in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries, many Portuguese and Spanish Jews found refuge in the Netherlands, a quasi-nation that by that time had a widely reputed tolerance for religious diversity. Jewish citizens of the Netherlands were able to participate in domestic and foreign trade, including the slave trade on the coast of West Africa and in the Americas. These Jews, along with many Christian Dutch traders, supplied slaves not only to the Dutch colonial enterprises in Brazil and Surinam but also to Curaçao and other islands in the Antilles for transhipment to the New World colonies of other European nations. Ironically, Jews were therefore able to make major investments in landed enterprises–which in tropical America meant slave plantations–in Brazil and then Surinam.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1995/09/slavery-and-the-jews/376462/

    Do you accept this characterization or do you reject it?

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    , @Corvinus
  453. geokat62 says:
    @geokat62

    *formidable s/b considerable

  454. Art says:
    @Fran Taubman

    See – the Jew in your face.

    The murder of Rachel Corrie = the poster of evil Zion.

  455. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Too bad Rachel Corrie never kept a diary. She may have become more famous then AF.

    The truth of the matter is she could have kept a encyclopedic record of her experiences in Palestine, but she still would be an obscure figure for most Americans… and you know it.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
    , @Art
  456. Art says:

    Athens loses – Jerusalem wins!

    Sunni dictator signs war treaty with Israel against Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and Palestine. More traitor dictators to follow.

    UAE buys war making machine.

    War is Peace!

  457. @geokat62

    The truth of the matter is she could have kept a encyclopedic record of her experiences in Palestine, but she still would be an obscure figure for most Americans… and you know it.

    The two stories are not comparable. AF was a prisoner of war. RC was a protester putting herself in a very dangerous situation. I would compare AF to Joan of Arc.

  458. geokat62 says:

    The truth of the matter is she could have kept a encyclopedic record of her experiences in Palestine…

    Now that I think of it, Rachel did indeed keep a diary of her daily experiences. As a matter of fact, they even based a play on the information contained in those notes:

    My Name Is Rachel Corrie is a play based on the diaries and emails of activist Rachel Corrie, who was killed by an Israeli soldier when she was aged 23.

    but she still would be an obscure figure for most Americans… and you know it.

    Unlike Anne Frank, however, the American public was prevented from being exposed to Rachel’s story by the usual suspects:

    Alan Rickman first staged My Name is Rachel Corrie in April 2005 at the Royal Court Theatre, London, and the play went on to win the Theatregoers’ Choice Awards for Best Director and Best New Play, as well as Best Solo Performance for actress Megan Dodds.

    The play was scheduled to be transferred to the New York Theatre Workshop in March 2006. However, the New York theatre decided that, because of its political content, the play was to be “postponed indefinitely”, after the artistic director polled numerous Jewish groups to get their reaction to the play. Rickman and Viner denounced the decision and withdrew the show.

    Rickman said: “I can only guess at the pressures of funding an independent theatre company in New York, but calling this production “postponed” does not disguise the fact that it has been cancelled. This is censorship born out of fear, and the New York Theatre Workshop, the Royal Court, New York audiences – all of us are the losers.”

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Name_Is_Rachel_Corrie

    • Replies: @Wielgus
  459. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    I would compare AF to Joan of Arc.

    Somehow, I knew you would.

  460. Art says:
    @geokat62

    Taubman is the personification of the uncaring evil hateful Jew.

    She has no empathy for innocent goodness.

  461. @Fran Taubman

    AF was a prisoner of war. RC was a protester putting herself in a very dangerous situation. I would compare AF to Joan of Arc.

    I would compare Rachel Corrie to Joan of Arc: she put herself in harm’s way deliberately, out of the quest for justice.

    AF was not a “prisoner;” she was in hiding, not a prison camp.
    When she did end up in a concentration camp, she received medical care.

    She did nothing heroic.

    nb. The article from Mondoweiss is by a Jewish woman.
    It’s an important contribution, an antidote if you will: if Fran Taubman were taken to represent a broad spectrum of Jewishness, well, it would not be leave a very pleasant impression.

    Loewenstein suggests to us that not all Jews are as hateful as someone like FT who demeans the sacrifice of Rachel Corrie.

  462. It’s an important contribution, an antidote if you will: if Fran Taubman were taken to represent a broad spectrum of Jewishness, well, it would not be leave a very pleasant impression.

    Yeah I will represent the broad spectrum of Jewishness any day of the week, against SC2 representing any known form of humanity. A sadistic twisted Nazi who cries more about murders then their victims.
    Sadistic in his rationalization and description of Jews as evil, overlooking the very compassion he seeks for murders. A twisted sadistic twit of a human.

  463. @Fran Taubman

    Any thoughts on Rachel Corrie’s quest for justice for Palestinians, a sense of compassion for Palestinians that Jennifer Loewenstein shared with Rachel?

    Or can we anticipate that you will double down on cynical disregard for Rachel’s sacrifice?

    Incidentally, it is precisely the compassion evoked by the almost unfathomable tragedy that befell the Germans — firebombed, 130 cities leveled then bombed again; then brainwashed for ten years after the war was “over.” Still brainwashed, actually. Germans were — are — extraordinary people; such a waste to kill them so wantonly.

  464. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Ron Unz

    Mr. Unz:

    First, I must recognize and applaud your not having exposed my identity in your discussion of my email to which I adverted in my comments of September 15, 2020 at 12:43 am GMT (comment # 421) AND September 16, 2020 at 12:41 am GMT (comment # 450). I appreciate the honor of your not shattering my anonymity.

    Now this comment’s substantive points

    [MORE]

    You asserted that I am “pathologically dishonest” in my comments. Your comment of September 15, 2020 at 3:16 pm GMT (comment # 433). I challenged you to prove your libelous assertion. My comment of September 16, 2020 at 12:41 am GMT (comment # 450). You did not adduce any proof.

    But I did show that in your articles and comments, your arguments are often evidence-free, evidence-evading, evidence-misrepresenting, specious, fallacious, even arrogant (imperiously reliant on the hero worship many Unz Review commenters show you and your worship of your own ego). See my comment of September 15, 2020 at 12:43 am GMT (comment # 421), especially, but not only, that comment’s closing span, including its citations of others of my comments.

    THIS comment will show the dishonesty of your comment of September 16, 2020 at 2:59 am GMT (comment # 451). This comment’s principal purpose is showing the fallacy or plain dishonesty of your “argument” method. This comment uses my own case because (a) you used it and (b) it epitomizes your fallacious, spurious, imperious “argument” method.

    You wrote:

    …you did sent [sic] me an interminably long email describing your entire personal ancestry, which I naturally didn’t bother reading.

    But, if you did not read my email, how/why did you write this:

    And oddly enough, in the email you sent me you (purportedly) used your real last name, which was rather typically Jewish, and most certainly neither Finnish nor Hungarian.

    Your comment of September 15, 2020 at 3:16 pm GMT (comment # 433).

    Also, one must wonder what “measure” you use to conclude that my email was “interminably long.” Immediately following is the body of that email. I have redacted only (a) eight introductory lines not relevant here, (b) my actual name and email address, and (c) my “signature.” I shall not include, here, the text of the legal memo attached to that email, since you have not addressed that document. I quote that email here both to show its actual length and to show the extent to which you misrepresent its contents.

    Mr. Unz:

    …writing as “Loup-Bouc,” I have stated in Unz Review comments that I am not a “Jew” but of Finno-Ugric descent and an atheist who contemns all religion (even personal moral codes, however unique) — yet my surname is XXXXXXX, a “Jewish” name.

    Still, I am not “Jewish,” not only because I am an atheist, utterly irreligious, and contemn all religion, but also because my ethnicity is absolutely non-“Jewish,” despite my surname.

    Like my paternal grandfather, my paternal great grandfather was an ethnic Estonian residing in Estonia (though my paternal grandfather migrated to the U.S. when he was around 40 years old). My paternal great grandfather converted to Orthodox Judaism apparently for reasons related local social and economic considerations.

    In Estonian village of my paternal grandfather’s and paternal great grandfather’s domicile, several Orthodox Jewish families had the surname XXXXXXX. When my paternal grandfather (and his wife, my paternal grandmother) migrated to America, at Ellis Island my paternal grandfather said his, and his wife’s, surname was XXXXXXX. I presume he thought that name bore some valuable status, because it did in the Estonian village of his previous domicile.

    My paternal grandmother was pure Greek Orthodox Christian Magyar. She was born and raised (until her early teen-age) on a farm located in eastern Hungary at the foothills of the Carpathian Mountains.

    When she was 15, my paternal grandfather’s family migrated to Poland, then to Estonia, where, at age 16, she met and married my paternal grandfather — after she converted to Orthodox Judaism to satisfy my paternal great grandfather. But, still, semi-secretly, she continued to follow the Greek Orthodox Christian faith, and my paternal grandfather did not object, because he barely gave “lip-service” to Judaism and was, my father assured me, privately quite irreligious.

    My father disdained Judaism and was a Theosophist who played at being also a Hindu and Buddhist. But his true religion was alcohol-consumption. My mother behaved so that one had to deduce she did not care a whit for religion. She considered my father’s Theosophism a [sic] stupid, even bizarre, much as she berated him for his drinking.

    So, I am not a “Jew” — ethnically or otherwise. But, though I am an avid anti-Zionist and contemn Zionist Israel and its military’s terrorism and its political and economic influences in other nations, I am not, however, an antisemite, for reasons that (writing as Loup-Bouc) I have stated at Unz Review, e.g., at https://www.unz.com/gatzmon/pilpul-for-beginners/#comment-3911804 AND https://www.unz.com/announcement/what-google-and-facebook-are-hiding/#comment-3924559

    But in your comment of September 16, 2020 at 2:59 am GMT (comment # 451), you wrote:

    …you [Loup-Bouc] explained that your grandparents were Christian Estonian and Christian Hungarian, but they had converted to Orthodox Judaism for various reasons, and had then taken a traditionally Jewish last name when they immigrated to America. And although your father was apparently raised as an Orthodox Jew, he strongly rejected that religion, and instead explored various others, including Hinduism and Buddhism. You emphasized that you yourself were an atheist, a zealous anti-Zionist, and absolutely, positively not a “Jew.”

    My forebears were NOT “Hungarian. My paternal grandmother was Magyar. In my comment of September 16, 2020 at 12:41 am GMT (comment # 450), I wrote:

    I am not of Hungarian, but Magyar descent.

    “Hungarian” denotes a mishmash of ethnicities of Hungary. Magyar denotes a discrete set of genetic strains. Hungarian is not even a language. Magyar is Hungary’s national tongue. My mother was close as possible (in her time) to being pure Magyar, because, for more than several generations, her Magyar family lived on (and worked) the same rather isolated farm nestled in a valley of a Carpathian-range segment that was part of Magyar Hungary for hundreds of years.

    But again you call my paternal grandmother Hungarian. My paternal grandparents migrated to the United States crica 1910. At that time (and for decades before), the Austro-Hungarian Empire included sundry ethnicities and all or parts of former or subsequent nation-states — Teutonic, Italic (Italians of Lombardy and the former Venetian Republic), Slavic (Czech, Slovak, Pol, Slovenian, Serbian, Croatian…….), Greek, Macedonian, Romanian…….
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_Empire#Constituent_lands

    Were you trying to insult me? Were you merely guilty of ignorance, inattention, or sloppy thought? Or were you intimating some questionable motive I have not been able to divine?

    You wrote: “…your father was apparently raised as an Orthodox Jew, he strongly rejected that religion….” My email did not state, or suggest, that my father was “raised as an Orthodox Jew.” My email stated:

    My paternal grandmother was pure Greek Orthodox Christian Magyar. She was born and raised (until her early teen-age) on a farm located in eastern Hungary at the foothills of the Carpathian Mountains.

    When she was 15, my paternal grandfather’s family migrated to Poland, then to Estonia, where, at age 16, she met and married my paternal grandfather — after she converted to Orthodox Judaism to satisfy my paternal great grandfather. But, still, semi-secretly, she continued to follow the Greek Orthodox Christian faith, and my paternal grandfather did not object, because he barely gave “lip-service” to Judaism and was, my father assured me, privately quite irreligious.

    So, my paternal grandparents did NOT raise “my father as an Orthodox Jew.”

    My paternal grandparents were not “Christian.” My paternal grandfather was nominally Orthodox Jewish, but did not follow that faith. My paternal grandfather’s father had been Orthodox Christian but converted (nominally) to Orthodox Judaism for social and economic reasons related to the dominant Orthodox Jewish social and economic influence of the locale of his residence.

    My maternal grandmother was not Hungarian or Estonian, but Magyar and an Orthodox Christian. She converted, nominally, to Orthodox Judaism per pressure put by my paternal great grandfather.

    My father did not “strongly reject”Judaism, as if he had been raised a religious Jew. My father was note raised a Jew, but disdained Judaism and was a Theosophist. My father had not “explored various [other religions], including Hinduism and Buddhism. He was a Theosophist “who played at being also a Hindu and Buddhist.” [Theosophy absorbed sundry central elements of Hinduism and Buddhism. https://blavatskytheosophy.com/is-theosophy-hinduism-buddhism-or-something-else/ ] For too many years, my father was just a drunk — until a physician told him to quit booze lest he croak.

    You disregarded (intentionally??) also a special significance of this:

    My mother behaved so that one had to deduce she did not care a whit for religion. She considered my father’s Theosophism a stupid, even bizarre, much as she berated him for his drinking.

    My email did not observe, but I shall now, that my mother, an Orthodox Christian pure Magyar, migrated from Hungary when she was 14. Soon she became irreligious, except that, with my father, she celebrated Christmas, because she, and he, liked the festivity (and my father the booze-intake excuse).

    I deduce that you treated the my email’s and my previous comments’ facts as you did because you wanted to save some sense of your previous absurd assertion that I am a

    “self-hating Jew” (LOL!) who wishes he were actually Finnish or Hungarian.

    Your comment of September 15, 2020 at 3:16 pm GMT (comment # 433). But compare my comment of September 16, 2020 at 12:41 am GMT (comment # 450).

    My deduction obtains implicit reinforcement from your statement:

    Okay, I suppose [that my ethnic/religious history is] possible. Offhand, I’d guess that the number of mixed Estonian-Hungarians in America is extremely small, let alone the fraction of those who have distinctly Jewish last names yet are absolutely, positively 100% non-Jewish by original racial ancestry. But on the other hand, your story seems far too strange for anyone to have bothered inventing.

    Your comment of September 16, 2020 at 2:59 am GMT (comment # 451).

    My story is not so improbable.

    …two million immigrants from Hungary during the four decades leading up to World War I, about 650,000 were true Hungarians, or Magyars. The remaining two-thirds were Ruysins, Slovaks, Romanians, Croats, Serbs, and Hungarian Germans.

    https://immigrationtounitedstates.org/560-hungarian-immigrants.html Ruysins included mostly peoples of Western Czarist Russia, which included Estonia. Compare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusyns AND https://www.britannica.com/place/Russia/The-Russian-Empire#ref421937 AND https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Estonia#Estonia_in_the_Russian_Empire_(1710–1917)

    Around 1910 (when my paternal grandparents migrated to America), about 50,000 Estonians had migrated to America, many settling in or near New Your City. By 1930, America’s Estonian population ranged from 55,000 to 200,000, mostly in or near New York. COMPARE https://www.everyculture.com/multi/Du-Ha/Estonian-Americans.html AND http://www.lituanus.org/1983_1/83_1_02.htm My paternal grandparents settled first in New York City, then Hazleton, Pennsylvania, finally Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, because all their children (including my father) moved to Philly.

    Are your errors just sloppy reading and writing? I have shown that when your articles or comments address Blacks or “Jews,” your articles and comments bear much factual falsehood, logical fallacy, speciousness, lack of necessary evidence, disregard of vitally pertinent evidence, erroneous “science” or “law,” invalid and unreliable “data,” and invalid and unreliable “statistical” analysis — too much to be mere sloppiness or accident. And, in the case of your treatment of my email, your very most likely purpose is illegitimate character attack.

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  465. @Fran Taubman

    ‘…Rachel Corrie had free will, Frank was a prisoner.’

    …and you seem to think this somehow makes Anne Frank’s sacrifice more commendable.

  466. @Fran Taubman

    ‘…I would compare AF to Joan of Arc.’

    Now that is bizarre. How does the unfortunate fate of a helpless victim in an attic compare to that of someone who, however compelled to act she may have felt, in fact freely chose her martyrdom?

    It’s like comparing somebody who happens to get accidentally run over to someone who dies because they rushed into a burning building to save a child. Anne Frank was going to die no matter what she did; Joan of Arc chose to repudiate her confession and accept martyrdom.

  467. @Fran Taubman

    ‘…A sadistic twisted Nazi who cries more about murders then their victims…’

    Unlike, say, a certain Jewess when it comes to Israelis and their victims.

  468. Wielgus says:
    @geokat62

    I quite liked Rickman as an actor but he seems to have been a decent guy as well.

  469. Wielgus says:
    @Colin Wright

    She has also blunderingly shown at least one ‘anti-Semitic’ claim to be the truth.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  470. Rachel Corrie died at the Rafah border crossing into Egypt, where illegal tunnels are dug to smuggle weapons. There were many attempts to clear the demonstrators out with tear gas. She worked for a Palestinian group ISM, that trained her to be in harms way. She was a pawn, and incredibly naive about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. The Rafah crossing is no place to protest. It is dangerous.

    https://www.aish.com/jw/me/88182517.html

    American Rachel Corrie was killed in the Gaza Strip on March 16, 2003, when she entered an area where Israeli forces were carrying out a military operation. The incident occurred while IDF forces were removing shrubbery along the security road near the border between Israel and Egypt at Rafah to uncover explosive devices, and destroying tunnels used by Palestinian terrorists to illegally smuggle weapons from Egypt to Gaza. Corrie was not demonstrating for peace or trying to shield innocent civilians, she was interfering with a military operation to legally demolish an empty house used to conceal one of these tunnels.
    A misleading photo published by the Associated Press gave the impression that Corrie was standing in front of the bulldozer and shouting at the driver with a megaphone, trying to prevent the driver from tearing down a building in the refugee camp. This photo, which was taken by a member of Corrie’s organization, was not shot at the time of her death, however, but hours earlier. The photographer said that Corrie was actually sitting and waving her arms when she was struck.

  471. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Fran Taubman

    You reference a right wing Zionist Israeli rag and expect intelligent, non-anesthetized, non-psychopaths to eat its dreck?

  472. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Rachel Corrie died at the Rafah border crossing into Egypt…

    Why the use of the passive tense, Fran? Are you allergic to the active?

    Even the heavily edited Wiki is willing to use the active tense:

    She was killed by an Israel Defense Forces (IDF) armored bulldozer in a combat zone in Rafah…

    As for your bolded reference:

    The incident occurred while IDF forces were removing shrubbery along the security road near the border between Israel and Egypt at Rafah to uncover explosive devices, and destroying tunnels used by Palestinian terrorists to illegally smuggle weapons from Egypt to Gaza. Corrie was not demonstrating for peace or trying to shield innocent civilians, she was interfering with a military operation to legally demolish an empty house used to conceal one of these tunnels.

    … it comes from the website aish, which is headquartered in Jerusalem near the Western Wall, Aish.com is a division of Aish HaTorah, which literally means “Fire of Torah.”

    It seems your Fire of Torah couldn’t convince Wiki to completely accept their version of events, Fran:

    According to the Israeli authorities the demolitions were carried out to eliminate weapons-smuggling tunnels. According to human rights groups the demolitions were used as collective punishment.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Corrie

    Who do you think is more likely to be telling the truth in this case? Fran’s Fire of Torah or international human rights groups?

    I’ll go with with what’s behind door #2, Monty!

    Oh, the irony. A few comments ago, Fran was trying to guilt trip me, S2C and Phil Giraldi about collective punishment.

    She just can’t help herself… she’s got a special talent for shooting herself in the foot!

  473. @Fran Taubman

    Right on cue – – –

    Or can we anticipate that you will double down on cynical disregard for Rachel’s sacrifice?

    Jewish woman Jennifer Loewenstein respects Rachel Corrie; she compares the tragic deaths of Anne Frank and Rachel Corrie and reveals two glaring differences:
    — the entire world knows of Frank, but almost no one knows of young Rachel’s death; and
    — the oppressive situation of the Palestinians, that Rachel died trying to expose and to stop, is ongoing in its brutality and pathological intention.

    Moreover, Frank’s death was genuine collateral damage: in a condition of war: warring forces did not deliberately kill her, in contrast to the Palestinians who are victims of an illegally occupying force in a situation ostensibly not war.

    My emphasis on the Loewenstein’s Jewishness in contrast to Taubman’s Jewishness is a matter of preserving my own sense of balance: Taubman’s shrewishness does a tremendous disservice to Jews and Israelis; Loewenstein reminds that there are Jews who are capable of fairness.

  474. geokat62 says:

    Excerpts from, Nick Cannon and Public Enemy’s Professor Griff were both called antisemitic. Only one recovered.

    The divergent paths these two men traveled offer a kind of test case of celebrity teshuvah, or repentance — the broad theme of the Jewish High Holidays, which begin this weekend — and show the role that Jewish leaders can play in legitimizing, or not, the teshuvah of Black entertainers who have offended Jews. Cannon and Public Enemy’s Professor Griff were both called antisemitic. Only one recovered…

    “Teach me, fix me, lead me,” [Cannon] told Rabbi Abraham Cooper of the Simon Wiesenthal Center.

    https://forward.com/news/national/454330/nick-cannon-antisemitism-public-enemy-professor-griff/

    Repent, goy!… or you can kiss your career goodbye

  475. Two sides to every story. Terrorist fired rockets into Sedroit killing people. Iran snuggles rockets in via tunnels. The US would do the same thing if Mexico fired rockets into Texas on the border. How many Syrian homes were destroyed by Assad. Virtue is so fickle with Jew haters.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Israeli_operation_in_Rafah

  476. If you don’t want your house destroyed don’t fire rockets into Israel. Stupidity. They still do it. Irrational b

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  477. Prajna says: • Website
    @Seraphim

    It would be Kali, slayer of demons (ego), and she seems to have brought a few