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Dershowitz is upset by Noam Chomsky, Norman Finkelstein, Karl Marx and Gilad Atzmon’s failure to promote ‘Jewish Values.’ The question that comes to mind is what exactly can we learn about Jewish values from this Harvard ‘law scholar’?

(Republished from Gilad Atzmon by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. It’s prohibited for Jews to have any moral values. It is the Original Sin to know the difference between good and evil. Jews are brainwashed into obedient observance of Jewish ritual, and brainwashed to hate non-Jews, nothing else.

  2. What exactly are (distinctly) Jewish values? Can someone enlighten me? Mr. Dershowitz?

    What makes them valuable? Or, what makes “Jewish” values Jewish? Are they of value only to Jews? Or are they of value to everyone but is it the case that only Jews have discovered and cherish them? Can we gentiles share in valuing them? Will we benefit from doing so or are they beneficial only to Jews?

    • Replies: @Druid
  3. Does anyone else ever get the impression that Jews repeatedly lose because they’re always fighting the proverbial last war? That maybe their all-consuming memory of their history is their Achilles heel? That persistently interpreting the present in terms of the past is repetition compulsion? A form of insanity that drags whoever happens to be in closest proximity spiraling down with them into a nightmarish sinkhole? That that’s what Kafka was writing about? The Hellish web his own people weave for themselves?

  4. anon[130] • Disclaimer says:

    No earphones to listen to video

    but

    I did see Jew values in the area:

    Yid/BLM mob and Yid/Antifa gang

    burning, looting, shooting, blaming others.

  5. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    The truth of the matter is that in Judaism ethics is replaced by Torah and Mitzvoth.. so in practice there is no Jewish ethics, what we have instead is obedience ..: this is a prime difference between Athens and Jerusalem ..in Athens you learn to make judgments in Jerusalem you “do first and understand later .”…https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/do-first-understand-later/amp/

    • Thanks: Ilya G Poimandres, Druid
    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  6. @ThreeCranes

    This is very interesting what you say here.. you point at a deep sense of detachment …

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  7. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    ” Jews are brainwashed into obedient observance of Jewish ritual, and brainwashed to hate non-Jews, nothing else.”

    And you are ‘brainwashed’ by the plutocracy and the M.I.C..

    Look, look, over there, it’s the ‘hateful Jews’.
    Don’t look here at the US ‘plutocrats’ and the M.I.C., there is nothing to see!

    • Agree: Fran Taubman
    • Disagree: Fuerchtegott
  8. Anonymous[316] • Disclaimer says:

    Of course he meant loyalty to Israel, esp. since Mossad’s got all his secret sex tapes thanks to Epstein.

    Alan Dershowitz once attributed Jews’ success to chutzpah, which according to him is innate in many Jews. In English this term translates to shameless dishonesty.

    Other Jewish values include:

    Obsession with money and power, clan loyalty, narcissism, selfishness, whinyness, assertiveness, unscrupulousness, paranoia, insecurity, arrogance, over sensitivity, sexual deviance, pleasure seeking.

    • Replies: @Fuerchtegott
    , @Skeptikal
  9. Dershowitz: http://judaism.is/pedophilia-and-sodomy.html#dershowitz

    Alan Dershowitz defends his 1997 Los Angeles Time column claiming ‘statutory rape is an outdated concept’ by Andrew Silow-Carroll and Ben Sales, Jewish Telegraphic Agency http://www.jta.org/2019/07/30/united-states/alan-dershowitz-defends-his-1997-column-claiming-statutory-rape-is-an-outdated-concept

    Ooops…here’s Dershowitz again: Alan Dershowitz Denies Suit’s Allegations of Sex With a Minor by Timothy Williams, New York Times, https://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/07/us/alan-dershowitz-denies-allegations-of-sex-with-minor.html

    and again!: Flight Logs Put Clinton, Dershowitz on Pedophile Billionaire’s Sex Jet by Nick Bryant, Gawker http://gawker.com/flight-logs-put-clinton-dershowitz-on-pedophile-billio-1681039971

    and again!: The World v. Alan Dershowitz by Simon Van Zuylen-Wood, Boston Magazine https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2016/12/11/alan-dershowitz/2/

    and again!: Harvard law professor wants lawsuit by Epstein accuser dismissed by Jim Mustian, Associated Press, Las Vegas Review-Journal https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/nation-and-world/harvard-law-professor-wants-lawsuit-by-epstein-accuser-dismissed-1856315/

    and lest we forget: Statutory Rape is an Outdated Concept
    http://judaism.is/images/dershowitz%20boston%20magazine.jpg

  10. The only thing Alan Dershowitz can teach the world about ‘Jewish values’ is the profound insight that one should always leave their underwear ON whilst being ‘massaged’.
    IOW you could say that Jewish values are non-existent or that Dershowitz has no values or Both.
    I’m going with Both.

    In an alternate universe, Jeffrey Epstein is teaching Ethics.

    Keep on Jewing!

    • LOL: Kolya Krassotkin
  11. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:
    @james charles

    Don’t look here at the US ‘plutocrats’ and the M.I.C., there is nothing to see!

    Also Yid.

  12. As miserable an example that Dershowitz may be as a human being, trial by media is always wrong. I’ve been accused of lots of things, it doesn’t mean any of them are true. I am acquainted with a number of Jews who would refuse to be in the same room as Dershowitz. Maybe they aren’t promoting Jewish values either.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  13. @Anonymous

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Otto_Weininger

    In a separate chapter, Weininger, himself a Jew who had converted to Christianity in 1902, analyzes the archetypal Jew as feminine, and thus profoundly irreligious, without true individuality (soul), and without a sense of good and evil. Christianity is described as “the highest expression of the highest faith”, while Judaism is called “the extreme of cowardliness”. Weininger decries the decay of modern times, and attributes much of it to feminine (or identically, “Jewish”) influences. By Weininger’s reckoning everyone shows some femininity, and what he calls “Jewishness”.[6]

  14. Thomasina says:
    @ThreeCranes

    Like Paranoid Personality Disorder. But if they operate with no ethics and few values/morals, then that is closer to psychopathy. Cold and calculating, lying, manipulative.

    Sure, they might have set out to control the levers of power (media, academia, government institutions, publishing, tech companies, finance, etc.) because of their paranoia, but a moral person with ethics and values would always pull themselves back if they saw they were hurting others; their conscience would get to them.

    They are going to control everything. No one is ever going to be above them again. That is quite psychopathic or Machiavellian.

    • Replies: @Zumbuddi
  15. @james charles

    ‘And you are ‘brainwashed’ by the plutocracy and the M.I.C..

    Look, look, over there, it’s the ‘hateful Jews’.
    Don’t look here at the US ‘plutocrats’ and the M.I.C., there is nothing to see!’

    This bears no discernible connection to any current reality.

    For example, what is the sharp distinction between ‘US plutocrats’ and ‘hateful Jews’? Sheldon Adelson is not a plutocrat? Haim Saban? George Soros?

    Is your claim that our attention is being diverted from them because they are plutocrats, or to them because they are Jews?

    • Replies: @james charles
  16. Isn’t Dershowitz more or less a walking indictment of Jewish values?

    I could list several definitely Jewish yet praiseworthy individuals. Dershowitz is actually more or less the counter example.

    • LOL: dickr
    • Replies: @Exile
  17. Exile says:
    @Colin Wright

    Isn’t Dershowitz more or less a walking indictment of Jewish values?

    AD is a walking epitome of Jewish values.

  18. @Curmudgeon

    ‘I am acquainted with a number of Jews who would refuse to be in the same room as Dershowitz. Maybe they aren’t promoting Jewish values either.’

    Who could possibly object to being in the same room with a man who molests children and attempts to justify the practice, boasts of obtaining acquittals for wealthy murderers, and defends the most vile practices of Israel?

    I suppose next they won’t invite Julius Streicher to tea.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  19. @Colin Wright

    a man who molests children and attempts to justify the practice, boasts of obtaining acquittals for wealthy murderers, and defends the most vile practices of Israel?

    – He has yet to be convicted of anything by a court of law, so, until that happens, he has not molested anyone.

    – Obtaining acquittals for murderers, wealthy or otherwise, would fit the description of any criminal defense lawyer. Being sleazy is part and parcel of being a lawyer.

    – Congress, and virtually all politicians have no objections to being in the room with Benny Nutty-yahoo or with the thousands of Zionists that make up AIPAC who are at least as vile as Dersh.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  20. @Curmudgeon

    ‘– Congress, and virtually all politicians have no objections to being in the room with Benny Nutty-yahoo or with the thousands of Zionists that make up AIPAC who are at least as vile as Dersh.’

    Indeed. However, two — or even considerably more than two — wrongs don’t make a right.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  21. Derer says:
    @james charles

    How can you differentiate between American plutocrats vs Jewishness…they live in a symbiotic relationship and if one swears at them they both call you “antisemitic swine”, indicating homogeneous heritage background.

  22. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:
    @Al Liguori

    Dirtywitz should have been given
    assistance how to fly out a door.
    Nose first.

    • Replies: @Al Liguori
  23. Al Liguori says: • Website
    @anon

    Pinochet and, even more so, Franco have much to teach us.

    • Replies: @dickr
  24. Sean says:

    Guiffre says she had sex with Alan Dersh when she was 17, but as she for years said she was 15, her revised account is highly dubious unless one believes only the credibility or reliability of defense witnesses is important, and when making an accusations a known fabricator must be believed. She worked for Epstein from 17 t0 19. Giuffre had never mentioned Dershowitz until a journalist that Giuffre was collaborating with on a memoir of her time working for Epstein emailed Giuffre “Don’t forget about Alan Dershowitz”. Even though the records have been destroyed Dershowitz has recently found out that Giuffre also accused former Israel prime minister Ehud Barak. Dershowitz has been trumpeting this information, which Giuffre and her lawyer tried to keep from the public. https://www.timesofisrael.com/woman-says-epstein-forced-her-to-have-sex-with-former-pm-barak/

    No, Mr Atzmon, not universal values because they are the logic of globalism. Three million Hong Kong citizens are to be given British citizenship by the capitalist conspiracy that calls itself the Conservative Party with Labour in on it. And the ethnic indigenous British are all smiles, happy at the final phase of own displacement from London. That is where universal values lead.

    And, one might ask, what right the Palestinians have to any portion of their ancestral homeland and capital under universal values? Or comparative advantage.

    • Agree: Fuerchtegott
  25. dickr says:
    @Al Liguori

    Both only had local impacts. Pinochet never bothered any Palestinians, whilst simultaneously impoverishing average Americans, trying to start WWIII, bomb Iran, sanction Russia, coup Ukraine etc.. In that sense they were less harmfull.

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
  26. Druid says:
    @ThreeCranes

    Jewish value is the s”shekel by any means” for power, control and immunity!

  27. Druid says:

    Gilad, you’re one of my favorites to follow! Good on you!

  28. @Colin Wright

    Says the shill for the plutocrats and M.I.C..

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  29. chuckywiz says:

    This business of Anti-Semite business has gone too far and needs to be Challenged head on. Bogey Man.
    The term first was coined in 1860s in Austria by a Zionist and took off. Smite is an old language spoken by Middle Eastern. European Jews are not semites. 90% of Palestinians are semites. Why the Jews are stealing or having monopoly on the word. Why cant a Palestinian be a semite?

    After 1917 red revolution in Russia, Jews were legally allowed to change their name and did they change their names? Changed to sexy and respectable names. As in America and Europe. What are they trying to hide?

    Alan had his underwear on when he got the massages from under age girls. Believe it?

    • Replies: @Orville H. Larson
  30. @james charles

    There’s not a person on this site who wouldn’t acknowledge that America’s policy in the Middle East is as much a product of our oil industry’s self interest and drive to dominate extraction and refinement of the world’s oil supply as well as our military’s self interest in guaranteeing the safety of U.S. investments there. To that we add the self interest of Jews and their plans for Israel. All in all, a three legged stool. (Remember, three points define a plane i.e. a platform. A stool with three legs won’t rock, irrespective of how uneven the ground its feet sit on, which is why it’s so hard to dislodge this combo).

    What we object to and call out is when certain Jews claim moral universality for what obviously benefits only them.

  31. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:
    @ThreeCranes

    The wars/aggressions against Iraq, Syria (oil?), Iran, Hezbullah(oil?) for Yid.

    Oil industries self interest doesn’t include total wars.

  32. @Gilad Atzmon

    Charles Murray: Human Accomplishment, on meta-inventions, p. 226
    ………………..

    The Invention of Ethics. China, India, and Greece, –520 to –320.

    [MORE]

    A number of other achievements of philosophy might be nominated as meta-inventions, starting with the invention of the philosophical outlook itself. The invention of empiricism is still another obvious candidate, which I will instead fold into the discussion of meta-inventions in science. The effects of Judaic monotheism, especially as modified by Christianity, were so pervasive that it is tempting to treat it as a meta-invention, inappropriate as the word “invention” may be. But I will confine myself to just one more meta-invention in philosophy: ethics conceived independently of religion.

    It may seem an odd thing to assert that ethics began only a few centuries before the Christian era. Definitions of right behavior go back as far as the advent of civilization and in recent times have been found by anthropologists to exist among every known human tribe. Even the most ancient codes of right behavior could be elaborate, with the books of the Torah offering a readily available example. But, at least as far as anything in the surviving record tells us, the codes were constructed as expressions of the will of gods or rulers. This is not to say that they were irrational. The aspects of law that dealt with justice reveal concepts of fairness and proportionality that we recognize in our own legal codes, with the Mosaic Law of the Old Testament again providing a until about –5C, we have nothing that puts the question of right behavior in the following fashion:

    Here we are, human beings, living a relatively short span of years in the company of other human beings.What is the underlying nature of a human life? How should this underlying nature lead us to comport ourselves, both for our own private happiness and to create harmonious and happy communities? It was the first attempt to answer such questions independently of religion that I call the invention of ethics. Two issues regarding the invention of ethics need to be separated. One involves the merits of the different systems, which I will not try to assess.

    The practical reality is that people who adhere to the teachings of Confucius’s Analects, Aristotle’s Nicomachean Ethics, or Buddhism’s Tipitaka will behave in generous, compassionate, and civil ways that each of those ethical systems would describe as virtuous. I wish to emphasize another issue: The new cognitive tool was the idea that right behavior could be thought about, and must be thought about, by trying to understand the meaning of virtue independently of gods and kings. The consequences would cascade down the centuries. Chief among these consequences was the development of political theory.

    Before the invention of ethics, kings might be individually good or bad and just or unjust, but thinkers had no template against which to think about whether the political system was good or bad. The essence of political thought about systems requires one to ask of any given set of rules or laws, Good for what? The proximate answer is that a system must be good for the human beings who live under that system. When it comes to specific issues, knowing just the immediate outcomes of a policy seems to make it easy enough to decide whether a given policy is good or bad. Does the trash collection policy result in trash being collected or not? Does transportation policy result in the trains running on time? But as we generalize from the specifics of collecting trash and running trains to more general questions of deciding what laws are appropriate, how leaders should be chosen, and what powers they should be given, we are forced back to a deeper question: what does it mean for a system to be good for human beings? What is it that human beings are, in their fundamental nature? What does it mean to live a fulfilling human life? What are the limits and potentialities of human beings as social creatures? It is the answers to those questions that ultimately form that missing template against which to assess how a political system corresponds to the nature of man, and then for assessing the degree to which a political system is good or bad. It was the invention of the idea of ethics that enabled this process to begin.

    The relationship is most obvious in China, where the dominating topics of Confucianism were man as a social being and the nature of a rightly ordered society, but the links between Aristotle’s ethics and subsequent political theory are no less rich. I would argue that the development of liberal democracy itself is intimately linked with the invention of ethics—and enter the Federalist Papers as my first exhibit.

  33. How much more suspicious than Gilad “Mossad” Atzmon’s appearance on Know More News can it possibly get?

  34. Chris Moore says: • Website

    Zionist Jewish values vs. Marxist Jewish values: which Jewish values have killed more millions of people? It’s probably a draw. The Chosen/Vanguard and it’s bitter, greedy, power mad, entitled-parasite “elite” Jewish values are the problem.

    “Jewishness” is misanthropy, hypocrisy and mass murder wrapped in the illusion of righteousness, whether its coming from Bolsheviks or Zionists or Auntie Shlomo.

    • Agree: Fuerchtegott
  35. anonymous[603] • Disclaimer says:

    Jewish values means being so touchy about your Palestinian extermination project that you use your official position to derogate the freedom of expression of this sort of mild and wistful lament:

    https://www.radicalphilosophy.com/article/the-society-of-enmity

    That makes Zionazi Felix Klein the classic exemplar of Jewish values.

  36. @Colin Wright

    Never suggested that it did. I thought you were looking for examples.
    Unfortunately, with Dersh, even he, like a stopped clock, can be right.

  37. Ironic… Hasn’t the promotion of “Jewish values” over the last century or so lead to the current state of affairs in the USSA via Hollywood, the college’s, the MSM, the bureaucracies etc… You know the “march through the institutions? I say Mr Dershowitz please give us more! We haven’t yet reached full destruction of our Anglo white civilization!

    • Replies: @Chris Moore
  38. anon[107] • Disclaimer says:

    The ultimate Jewish value is whining. Now we can look forward to lots more whiny stories about hebe fugitives climbing out the window with their violin while running from the International Criminal Court.

    https://alethonews.com/2020/07/16/israel-creates-list-of-officials-to-prevent-arrests-for-war-crimes/

    It will be the new trump card in perpetual antisemitism one-upmanship: My bubbi died in the camps! My bubbi lost 400 siblings in the shoah! My bubbi went off the Achille Lauro like he was Evel Knievel! My bubbi fell out of a guard tower at Ramleh! Well MY bubbi had to wear the yellow star of hostis humani generis in universal jurisdiction law.

  39. Skeptikal says:
    @james charles

    ” the US ‘plutocrats’ and the M.I.C., there is nothing to see!”

    But a hell of a lot of them, and their bankers and top managers and investment consultants and attorneys and PR people etc. etc.—ARE Jews.

    • Replies: @james charles
  40. Chris Moore says: • Website
    @VinnyVette

    I say Mr Dershowitz please give us more! We haven’t yet reached full destruction of our Anglo white civilization!

    As it turns out, what is “Anglo white civilization” once the Anglo elite were bedded by Jews and their money? “Anglo white civilization” sided with the Jewish Bolsheviks and went to war against Germany and the heart of Christendom. Once that evil deed was done, it ceased to be “white” or “civilized,” and became fully Golem, as its stiff necked fealty to Israel and the Zionist war against Islam proves (not to mention the ongoing Bolshevik occupation of Germany).

    That fact is only now being fully realized.

    • Replies: @Zumbuddi
  41. Vinnie O says:
    @ThreeCranes

    Well, NO. Jews generally WIN in any contest in which they really care if they win. The Romans conquer Israel: who cares? The Romans then build a beautiful ROMAN temple for the Jews, who had never had one. The Christians take over the north side of the Mediterranean. The Jews demand and get special status without converting to Christianity. The King of Spain declares that ONLY Christians can live in Spain. The Moslems move to North Africa, the Jews announce they have converted but remain “crypto-Jews”, for CENTURIES. I’ve read that the reason that the order of Catholic priests called “Jesuits” are rather odd is because they were formed by a crypto-Jew and many (most?) of the men recruited to be Jesuit priests were crypto-Jews. The Jesuits are also the ONLY Catholic religious order that is NOT under the command of a bishop. From the beginning, the Jesuits reported DIRECTLY to the Pope, the rest of the church be damned.
    And the whole thing about being “forced” to live in a “ghetto” was because the Jews REFUSED to obey civil laws written by Christians. And so in THEIR neighborhood Jewish laws applied, and complaints were resolved in Jewish courts run by Jewish judges. So ANY Jew who had been caught chiseling a Christian on Christian turf merely had to escape back to the Ghetto to be home free.
    Etc., etc., etc.

  42. @james charles

    ‘Says the shill for the plutocrats and M.I.C..’

    What’s the ‘M.I.C.’? If I’m to be a shill for it, I’ll really need to know.

  43. @ThreeCranes

    ‘There’s not a person on this site who wouldn’t acknowledge that America’s policy in the Middle East is as much a product of our oil industry’s self interest and drive to dominate extraction and refinement of the world’s oil supply as well as our military’s self interest in guaranteeing the safety of U.S. investments there…’

    You’re wrong. I’m on this site, and I do deny it. If the oil industry determined our policy in the Middle East, we never would have supported the creation of Israel or continued to support it.

  44. Skeptikal says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    I.e., ThreeCranes is positing that what Kafka was actually writing about, in cryptic fashion, was the mental and moral web Jews had woven for themselves?

    If this is what ThreeCranes posits, it seems like a fruitful lead to follow in interpretation of Kafka’s writings. Since I am not a Kafka scholar I have no idea whether this has been done. IOW, looking at Kafka’s Werk solely as a reflection or recreation of his Jewish social and psychic world. One he could not escape—was trapped in, in “Kafka-esque” fashion.

  45. Skeptikal says:
    @Anonymous

    Don’t forget opportunism!

  46. Skeptikal says:
    @Al Liguori

    Dershowitz was a local joke long ago because of his hanging around the volley ball games at the nude portion of one of the best beaches on a certain island (islands certainly are a theme here!) where hippies liked to skinny-dip and go suitless. I think the reason he was a joke was because he was obviously of out of the general age range at the nude beach. This was in the seventies and eighties, before the place was ruined by politically connected Big Bucks and other branches of the nouveaux riches. Not sure whether he actually played ball or just paraded around the nude portion of the beach. I never heard mention of his wife being with him.

    I wonder whether they have nude beaches in Israel, and whether Dersh would parade around nude on them!

    • Replies: @Crawfurdmuir
  47. Anon[984] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    It’s prohibited for Jews to have any moral values. It is the Original Sin to know the difference between good and evil.

    A central secret of the Israeli scriptures, which have their roots in pre-Israeli cultures and thus can be held to be more of a repository of Eurasia’s oldest origin myths rather than specific to and thus directed at one tribe (ie: its a mistake to assume Jews to be ethnically parallel to Edenic Adam, and therefore beholden to the mandates on him), is that they refer to more than one God, and in spite of later Rabbinical equivocation that engages in every manner of extra-biblical theological invention to skirt this fact. There are multiple points of evidence for this fact, which are beyond the scope of this post. Biblical scholars know, but Rabbis know as well.

    One god in those scriptures is the serpent, who is the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil. Another is the God who directs the guardianship of the Tree of Life, but who in fact is the Tree of Life.

    The serpent god offers the law (and everything else that is implied), and Adam and Eve accept it but then Fall. From then on out, these are individuals of the Law and not of Eden.

    In other words, Rabbis would not agree that moral values are prohibited. But what comes with that, as well, is an association with the lineage of the Tree of Knowledge and everything that the Bible states about it.

  48. Zumbuddi says:
    @Thomasina

    You fail to understand Machiavelli

    He was a passionate patriot, fierce advocate for representative republicanism for the people of Florence, a cause he embraced “even at the cost of his soul.”

    He hated the corruption of the Roman church, especially papacy, but was a devout Christian whose “sacred text” was Dante.

    Linking Machiavelli with “psychopath” is a profound injustice.

    • Replies: @Thomasina
    , @VinnyVette
  49. Zumbuddi says:
    @Chris Moore

    Agree

    BLM now in command of airways, the other day a Black man noted all of Blacks contribution to US: “BLACKS played large role in defeat of Nahtzee Germany.”

    Indeed.
    Did Blacks ever suffer the death & destruction they helped to heap on Germans?

    • Replies: @Chris Moore
  50. @Skeptikal

    Dershowitz was a local joke long ago because of his hanging around the volley ball games at the nude portion of one of the best beaches on a certain island (islands certainly are a theme here!) where hippies liked to skinny-dip and go suitless. I think the reason he was a joke was because he was obviously of out of the general age range at the nude beach.

    You remind me of a friend’s joke –

    Q: Why has nudism never become more popular?
    A: Because most people look better with their clothes on.

  51. Thomasina says:
    @Zumbuddi

    Psychopathy and Machiavellianism are two parts of what’s referred to as the Dark Triad, narcissism being the third.

    “In the field of personality psychology, Machiavellianism is a psychological trait centered on interpersonal manipulation, unemotional coldness, and indifference to morality.[1] Though unrelated to the historical figure or his works, the trait is named after the political philosophy of Niccolò Machiavelli, as psychologists Richard Christie and Florence Geis used edited and truncated statements inspired by his works to study variations in human behaviors.[2][3][4] Their Mach IV test, a 20-question, Likert-scale personality survey, became the standard self-assessment tool and scale of the Machiavellianism construct. Those who score high on the scale (High Machs) are more likely to have a high level of deceitfulness and callousness.[5]

    Doing Whatever It Takes

    In general people high in machiavellianism will attempt to achieve their goals by whatever means necessary. This includes things such as bending and breaking rules, cheating, and stealing. People high in machiavellianism are able to easily switch between working with others and using others to achieve their goals.[18] People high in machiavellianism do not have the same level of emotions as others and as such are more willing to do things others see as terrible or immoral. In the pursuit of their goals people high in machiavellianism will even go so far as to hurt and manipulate others if they think it would be beneficial.[19]”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machiavellianism_(psychology)

    • Replies: @Zumbuddi
    , @VinnyVette
  52. Here Gilad this dude stole 11 billion. Makes the Rabbi look like peanuts. Whoops wrong religion not a Jew.
    Great story though. Interpol is after him. Only in KSA could you steal 11 billion before they go after you. He was the chief terrorism spy for the US. You think any American non Jews got some money?

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-spymaster-ran-off-after-saudis-say-billions-went-missing-they-want-him-back-11595004443?st=0843c8fs9kx8qoy&reflink=article_copyURL_share

    • Replies: @dickr
    , @Al Liguori
    , @Zumbuddi
  53. Anon[132] • Disclaimer says:

    I wish these effing Zionists like Dershowitz, Kushner, Bolton, Pompeo, Pence, Haley et al. would just all move to Israel already. They are the dark side of the force strangling America. For America to survive we must send all these treasonous rats packing.

    • Troll: Corvinus
  54. @chuckywiz

    “Alan had his underwear on when he got the massages from under age girls. Believe it?”

    Yeah, and pigs might fly someday, too–but I doubt it!

  55. dickr says:
    @Fran Taubman

    how is this relevant to the topic?

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  56. Zumbuddi says:
    @Thomasina

    Utter bullshit

    Who are “Christie & Geis”? Academic nobodies making a bid for relevance by slanderously attaching a well-known name to their mental masturbations.

    • Replies: @Thomasina
  57. Zumbuddi says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Are we playing “Go you one better”?

    How many trillions did Doc Zakheim — RABBI Zakheim — steal frm Pentagon?

    btw any chance the Poway shooting was a set-up / cover up?

    There’s suspicion the Pittsburgh shooting involves insurance fraud. In fact, it might have been a total fake to get rich old Jews to Israel .It’s been done before.

  58. @Skeptikal

    “But a hell of a lot of them, and their bankers and top managers and investment consultants and attorneys and PR people etc. etc.—ARE Jews.”

    So some ‘Jews’ work for the plutocrats and the M.I.C.. It is the plutocrats and the M.I.C. that control and determine policy.

    Denial of this makes you a shill for them.

    “Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens
    Martin Gilens and Benjamin I. Page
    Each of four theoretical traditions in the study of American politics—which can be characterized as theories of Majoritarian Electoral Democracy, Economic-Elite Domination, and two types of interest-group pluralism, Majoritarian Pluralism and Biased Pluralism—offers different predictions about which sets of actors have how much influence over public policy: average citizens; economic elites; and organized interest groups, mass-based or business-oriented. A great deal of empirical research speaks to the policy influence of one or another set of actors, but until recently it has not been possible to test these contrasting theoretical predictions against each other within a single statistical model. We report on an effort to do so, using a unique data set that includes measures of the key variables for 1,779 policy issues. Multivariate analysis indicates that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on U.S. government policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no independent influence. The results provide substantial support for theories of Economic-Elite Domination and for theories of Biased Pluralism, but not for theories of Majoritarian Electoral Democracy or Majoritarian Pluralism. “
    https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/mgilens/files/gilens_and_page_2014_-testing_theories_of_american_politics.doc.pdf

    .

  59. @dickr

    I posted on the wrong thread. It was meant for the Rabbi thread.

  60. @Zumbuddi

    You can be Machiavellian without being a psychopath… Psychopaths however are Machiavellian, dark triad: narcissism, psychopathy, Machiavellianism.

    • Replies: @Zumbuddi
  61. Zumbuddi says:
    @VinnyVette

    “Dark triad” is made up academic bullshit, psychobabble.

    To understand Machiavelli, read Machiavelli, not someone with useless academic credentials who appropriates the name, Machiavelli, in order to get attention, and in so doing demonstrates he knows only the comic book version of Machiavelli.

    • Agree: Fuerchtegott
    • Replies: @VinnyVette
  62. Corvinus says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    “It’s prohibited for Jews to have any moral values.”

    Are you naive, ignorant, or a combination?

    https://www.reconstructingjudaism.org/article/attitudes-beliefs-and-values-shaping-jewish-practice

  63. Thomasina says:
    @Zumbuddi

    God damn it, Zumbuddi. Now look what you’ve gone and done. Today was the day I was going to get my list of chores ticked off. Nope. You’ve now triggered my curiosity and I’ll probably spend the rest of the day (and tomorrow, if the truth be told) reading about Machiavelli and getting nothing done! Ha.

    You make a very good point, and from what I’ve read so far, I tend to agree with you. I won’t be bandying that term (Machiavellianism) about without some further deliberation. Is there a good book on him you would recommend reading?

    Take care, and thanks.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  64. @Thomasina

    ‘You make a very good point, and from what I’ve read so far, I tend to agree with you. I won’t be bandying that term (Machiavellianism) about without some further deliberation. Is there a good book on him you would recommend reading?’

    There’s his own book: Machiavelli, The Prince.

    It’s short, lucid, and frank. Why would you read anything else first?

    • Agree: Skeptikal
    • Replies: @Thomasina
  65. Thomasina says:
    @Colin Wright

    Yes, I’ll start there. I actually have a copy of The Prince, which I think I had started to read, but then children came along and…..The Little Prince got read instead. Thank you.

    • LOL: Zumbuddi
  66. Thomasina says:
    @Zumbuddi

    I’m already eight minutes into Viroli’s talk and I’m enjoying it. Thank you very much.

    Too hot for chores? That’s a great excuse, and I’m going to run with it.

    Take care.

  67. anarchyst says:

    Jewish values?? Now THAT’S a laugh.
    Let’s look at “jewish values”:
    -Usery
    -Theft from gentiles is OK
    -Murdering gentiles is OK
    -Raping children is OK
    -Rape in any for against gentiles is OK
    -Homosexuality and buggery is OK
    -Infiltration of civil societies in order to destroy them is OK
    -Parasitism is OK
    -Lying, cheating others, outright theft is OK
    Aren’t these great jewish values??

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  68. Chris Moore says: • Website
    @Zumbuddi

    Did Blacks ever suffer the death & destruction they helped to heap on Germans

    Yes, as victims of the international Jewish slave trade — perped by Jews and their black and Judeophile WASP collaborators.

  69. @ThreeCranes

    And… on the subject of stools. Dershowitz “makes” for a great “stool specimen”!

  70. @Zumbuddi

    Don’t tell me to read what I’ve already read. My statement is correct, yours is not.

  71. @Thomasina

    Zumbuddi is a jackass and a troll, and extremely Machiavellian.

  72. @anarchyst

    ‘Jewish values?? Now THAT’S a laugh.
    Let’s look at “jewish values”…’

    What irritates me is the phrase is thrown around by Jews and their defenders as if there was this wonderful ethical and intellectual heritage to take pride in.

    As far as I can see, there’s not. Circa 1800, Jews lived in benighted darkness compared to gentiles.

    Then they were emancipated. But ninety percent of what they think of as ‘Jewish values’ consists essentially of Jews managing to adopt and elaborate German and Anglo-American gentile culture.

    Your wonderful, refined, intellectual, moral Western Jew isn’t a Jew; he’s a European of Mosaic faith.

    That’s fine — but quit trotting out that ‘Jewish values’ shtick as if it refers to something inherent in Judaism. There wasn’t anything wonderful about the shtetl. It was a dank, corrupt, ignorant, repressive shithole.

  73. anon[290] • Disclaimer says:
    @james charles

    Don’t look here at the US ‘plutocrats’ and the M.I.C., there is nothing to see!

    are these plutocrats anything like the Russian oligarchs?

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