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We have recently heard from frontline medical physicians that the current global health crisis is something they have not been trained to deal with nor do they fully understand the spectrum of symptoms they encounter in hospitals and emergency centres. Earlier this week, Dr. Cameron Kyle-Sidell, an emergency physician affiliated with Maimonides Medical Center (Brooklyn), posted two insightful videos urging health practitioners to accept that COVID-19 does not cause any form of pneumonia. Instead, the virus causes a condition of oxygen deprivation, and ventilators as they are currently being used, may cause more harm than good for some patients.

What Dr. Kyle-Sidell suggests is a paradigm change in the perception of the current endemic. Kyle-Sidell is not alone, the few doctors who allow themselves to discuss the situation in a critical manner admit that medical science is perplexed by the virus.

One would assume that if the virus at the centre of the current epidemic was an unsavoury present from ‘mother nature’ we would be able to trace its evolution. We likely would have seen the gradual appearance of some of the new symptoms that have caught our medical establishment unprepared. It doesn’t seem this happened. In the view of many medical practitioners the new disease is in a category of its own. It is a novelty.

This means that it is possible that the Corona virus wasn’t created by nature but by creatures who believe themselves to be greater than nature.

In light of the above, I offer my paradigm change, one that is probably more radical than what Dr. Kyle-Sidell may have had in mind.

Since we do not know its provenance, we should treat the current epidemic as a potentially criminal act as well as a medical event. We must begin the search for the perpetrators who may be at the centre of this possible crime of global genocidal proportions.

While medical diagnosis is defined by:

  1. a determination of the nature of the cause of a disease.
  2. a concise technical description of the cause, nature, and/or manifestations of the symptoms.

Criminal investigations are primarily engaged with the human element. The criminal investigator seeks to ascertain the methods, motives, and identities of criminals, the identity of victims and may also search for and interrogate witnesses to the crime.

Treating the Corona virus as a crime would mean searching for possible offenders: individuals, institutions, or states that may have created the lethal virus as part of a research program or more directly, as an agent of biological warfare.

Law enforcement agencies often allocate dozens of investigators, officers, detectives and agents to untangle a single homicide. One would expect that following the deaths of tens of thousands around the globe, every police force, government and intelligence agency would join forces in the attempt to identify the possible culprit(s) at the root of the coronavirus crisis. We may be dealing with a negligent or criminal event on a massive scale.

While scientists and medical experts find it difficult to explain exactly how Covid-19 operates or how it came about, a few critical voices within the scientific community and the dissident media have pointed to alternative explanations that seem more explanatory than anything conventional medical thought has so far offered.

Some claim that G5 radiation is at the core of the new epidemic. I do not have any intention nor am in any position to comment on the topic, however, considering the scale of death we are dealing with, a criminal investigation may have to look closely into such a possibility: identifying the danger, identifying the possible motive and spotting the financial benefactors as well as beneficiaries.

A number of scientists have commented that laboratories and research centres have been engaged in the study of corona viruses and experimented with models that resemble the current virus. Specifically, some have pointed to a North Carolina laboratory that experimented with the viruses extracted from bats in 2015.

Back in 2015 USA Today published extensive research relating to the ongoing safety issues in biological laboratories in America and elsewhere. “Vials of bioterror bacteria have gone missing. Lab mice infected with deadly viruses have escaped, and wild rodents have been found making nests with research waste. Cattle infected in a university’s vaccine experiments were repeatedly sent to slaughter and their meat sold for human consumption. Gear meant to protect lab workers from lethal viruses such as Ebola and bird flu has failed, repeatedly.” The American outlet revealed that “hundreds of lab mistakes, safety violations and near-miss incidents have occurred in biological laboratories coast to coast in recent years, putting scientists, their colleagues and sometimes even the public at risk.” Naturally, safety failures in biological laboratories aren’t just an American problem. “A small, deadly outbreak of severe acute respiratory syndrome in China in 2004 was traced to lab workers at the National Institute of Virology in Beijing. In 2007, an outbreak of foot and mouth disease among cattle in England that required herds to be slaughtered was blamed on leaking drainage pipes at a nearby research complex.”

In 2014 the US National Institute of Health removed its funding of gain-of-function (GOF) experiments involving the influenza, SARS, and MERS viruses. Gain-of-function involves activating mutations to change the gene product to enhance its effect or so that its normal actions are superseded by a different and abnormal function. Apparently, the National Institute of Health’s moratorium ended on Dec. 19, 2017 when the US announced that it would resume funding American gain-of-function experiments involving these viruses. This means that since 2017 some American laboratories have been experimenting with Corona viruses; creating mutants with the financial support of the government.

Treating the Corona virus outbreak as a crime ought to include a visit by the FBI to the office of the National Institute of Health and a careful review of all the files related to American laboratories conducting GOF experiments with Coronavirus. This investigative procedure must be exercised in every region and country in the world that has engaged in GOF experiments.

As soon as the Corona virus became the new disaster, Dany Shoham, a former Israeli military intelligence officer, was quick to point to China’s biowarfare program as a possible originator of the virus.

ORDER IT NOW

By now, with the exception of President Trump and his Pompeo character, not many are convinced that Covid-19 is a Chinese Virus (as Trump refers to it when he wants to annoy progressives). A criminal investigation would have to examine Chinese as well as Russian, British, French, German, etc. laboratories and their safety records. It should also verify whether Dany Shoham had any evidence for his assertion regarding China or whether he was attempting to divert attention from another possible suspect in this Corona affair.

Israel, with its extensive biological warfare laboratories and WMD facilities must also be subject to thorough scrutiny.

During his first term as Israel’s leader, Mr Netanyahu authorised a risky attempt to assassinate the Palestinian rising star and Hamas leader, Mr. Khaled Meshaal in the Jordanian capital, Amman. Five Mossad agents, posing as Canadian tourists, were sent to Amman. They ambushed Mr Meshaal on a street corner and sprayed poison into his left ear and expected him to die within 48 hours.

But their plan went wrong. One of Meshaal’s bodyguards chased the two Mossad agents who had carried out the operation and, with the help of a passing Palestinian Liberation Army officer, managed to capture them.

Instead of escaping over the border as they had planned, the rest of the Mossad team was trapped in the Israeli embassy in Amman. Mr Netanyahu was left with no option other than to negotiate with King Hussein of Jordan and plead for his assassins’ return. The king, who was dying of cancer, drove a hard bargain. Israel had to supply immediately the antidote to the poison that was killing Mr Meshaal. Netanyahu also had to agree to release nine Jordanians and sixty-one Palestinian prisoners amongst them Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, the spiritual leader of Hamas and at the time, Israel’s most hated foe.

But here is the astonishing piece of this saga. The poison used by Israel is a slow-acting but lethal poison that gradually shuts down the brain’s respiratory centre, leading to death. The doctor that revived Meshaal described his condition as respiratory oxygen deficiency. To date, it is not clear what type of agent was used by the Mossad against Meshaal, but a few facts are known. Israel employed a biological/chemical agent with a respiratory effect. Israel possessed the antidote to its lethal agent. Benjamin Netanyahu as Israeli PM, authorised the botched assassination and the usage of a biological/chemical weapon.

Israel is not a signatory to the Biological Weapons Convention. It is generally assumed that the Israel Institute for Biological Research in Ness Ziona develops vaccines and antidotes for chemical and biological warfare. In 2012 Haaretz wrote of the Ness Ziona laboratory that it’s an “institution that very rarely finds itself in the news, and when it does, it’s usually because of some controversy or other. According to Israeli sources, the institute develops pharmaceuticals, vaccinations, treatments and antibodies to protect Israelis from chemical (gas) or biological weapons. That’s along with its civilian research projects.” Haaretz continues, “according to foreign reports, it also develops chemical and biological weapons. One of these reports said institute scientists had developed the poison that was meant to have eliminated Hamas political leader Khaled Meshaal in the botched Mossad attack against him in Amman in 1997.”

Any detectives who examine the Ness Ziona Lab will have to figure out how the Israeli institute is already so advanced in the development of a Covid-19 vaccine. According to the Israeli press, a novel corona virus vaccine is already being tested at the institute.

Ness Ziona is not alone at the front of the Corona vaccine race. Migal, another Israeli company, announced at the end of February that it was almost ready with a vaccine. Detectives should ascertain whether Migal, like other laboratories around the world, is a safe environment and that it wasn’t in the Galilee laboratory that a tiny but vicious virus escaped its guardians.

Foreign Policy Magazine revealed three weeks ago that the Corona virus’ early appearance in Iran that sickened government and military leaders caused some Iranian officials to believe that the Coronavirus was part of an ‘American-Zionist biofare military campaign’ against their republic and its leaders.

I am not in any position to produce incriminating evidence against any person, institution or a state, it isn’t my job nor it is my wish to do so. I am a writer not a detective. Yet I maintain that evaluating the corona crisis as a crime may make those who plan to survive the pandemic feel a little safer in a world that long ago has lost its way.

(Republished from Gilad Atzmon by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Anonymous[292] • Disclaimer says:

    The key here will be finding “patient zero”. If said patient zero can be found, we’ll be in for some surprises, whether this is a criminal activity or not.

  2. A123 says:

    By now, with the exception of President Trump and his Pompeo character, not many are convinced that Covid-19 is a Chinese Virus (as Trump refers to it when he wants to annoy progressives).

    By now, with the exception of victims of Trump Derangement Syndrome [TDS], almost everyone is convinced that the WUHAN-19 virus is of natural origins. I refer to it this way to annoy UN/NWO Globalists.

    Two key points strongly indicate that WUHAN-19 is *not* weaponized. Potential users of any bio-WMD:

    -A- Do not want to be infected by their own weapon. WUHAN-19 has a long incubation period and is easy to transmit. The presence of BOTH of these characteristics is inconsistent with weaponization as they more or less guarantee the disease will ‘Go Global’.

    -B- Want exclusive control of countermeasures. One nation/side would have a cure and the target would have to capitulate to obtain it. WUHAN-19 can be mitigated or cured by a combo treatment of CQ/AZ/ZN, inexpensive generics that are widely available. This is not consistent with weaponization.
    _______

    An investigation of how WUHAN-19 entered the human population would be valuable. Most likely the virus made the animal to human jump via an unsanitary animal “wet market”. However, the other significant possibility is mishandling of a non-weaponized sample by staff at the Wuhan Bioweapon Laboratory.

    Odds are high that the CCP will quash any objective ‘criminal investigation’. The CCP’s Wuhan Health Organization [WHO] has twin goals, ignoring science & shifting blame.

    PEACE 😷

  3. Trinity says:

    Me thinks it is a crime scene and my guess? It is the (((usual suspects.))) Will we find out in the end what really happened? Hmm, I have a better shot at hitting the Powerball Lottery Jackpot tonight than that happening, especially if I am relying on Western “leaders” for the truth. When you consider we still haven’t been told by our leaders what really happened on September 11, 2001, don’t look for the “official narrative” to change on the “Chinese Virus” either. Probably 60% of Americans or even more doubt or flat out don’t believe a word of the “official” 9-11 narrative we were spoon fed by “our” leaders back in 2001, and yet the media and others still keep the charade going each year on 9-11 with the same old FAKE documentaries, film taken from day the Twin Towers collapsed, opinions from the “experts,” etc.

  4. SteveK9 says:
    @A123

    ‘However, the other significant possibility is mishandling of a non-weaponized sample by staff at the Wuhan Bioweapon Laboratory.’

    That has always been my leading theory. Especially as there is a 2015 research paper (below) discussing genetic modification of coronaviruses … with authors from UNC (US) and Wuhan Virology Institute. There are legitimate reasons to investigate coronaviruses. But, even in that paper there is a statement that the particular variant they were investigating had dangerous properties, and posed a risk that may not justify the research.

    A SARS-like cluster of circulating bat coronaviruses shows potential for human emergence
    Vineet D Menachery1, Boyd L Yount Jr1, Kari Debbink1,2, Sudhakar Agnihothram3, Lisa E Gralinski1, Jessica A Plante1, Rachel L Graham1, Trevor Scobey1, Xing-Yi Ge4, Eric F Donaldson1, Scott H Randell5,6, Antonio Lanzavecchia7, Wayne A Marasco8,9, Zhengli-Li Shi4 & Ralph S Baric1,2

    1Department of Epidemiology, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, Chapel Hill, North Carolina, USA. 2Department of Microbiology and Immunology, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, Chapel Hill, North Carolina, USA. 3National Center for Toxicological Research, Food and Drug Administration, Jefferson, Arkansas, USA. 4Key Laboratory of Special Pathogens and Biosafety, Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Wuhan, China. 5Department of Cell Biology and Physiology, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, Chapel Hill, North Carolina, USA. 6Cystic Fibrosis Center, Marsico Lung Institute, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, Chapel Hill, North Carolina, USA. 7Institute for Research in Biomedicine, Bellinzona Institute of Microbiology, Zurich, Switzerland. 8Department of Cancer Immunology and AIDS, Dana-Farber Cancer Institute, Harvard Medical School, Boston, Massachusetts, USA. 9Department of Medicine, Harvard Medical School, Boston, Massachusetts, USA. Correspondence should be addressed to R.S.B. ([email protected]) or V.D.M. ([email protected]).

    Personal anecdote: my wife and I (both past 65) had a ‘weird’ cold a couple of weeks before all Hell broke loose in the US. Only symptoms, slight fever and feeling run-down, with a lot of sleeping (my wife slept about 46 out of 48 hours). Felt run-down for a week or two afterward. Had never had a cold like that. Personally, I have never had the ‘flu’.

    • Replies: @Eagle Eye
  5. lloyd says: • Website

    Oh dear. The old trope of poisoning wells.

  6. Sasha says:

    He’s on the right track, but this is going to be a very difficult task. Given that this virus is engineered for a specific purpose, by a State actor, and perhaps even by a supranational entity with the express purpose of advancing the mass vaccination/biometric tattoo agenda (WEF, Gates Foundation etc) – who is going to do the investigating? It’s like expecting the prime suspects to do a thorough, impartial and unbiased investigation that may lead to their own culpability. (and if Israel is involved – forget it)
    The first video featuring the NYC doctor is interesting and ominous. I’ve read the same thing in various articles the past few days (that invasive intubation is actually doing harm – not good), meanwhile it is the “gold standard” for treatment of the severe cases.
    As always, the question to ask is “cui bono?” Once that is established, then the logical course of action would be to take into custody one of the beneficiaries, one who would have detailed knowledge of the mechanism of this plan, and to forget about any legal or ethical niceties, and get the truth out of him by the most efficient and expedient means, and if it exists, the antidote. But again, who would do that? Certainly none of the people, agencies, or institutions who are involved. It’s a bleak picture.

  7. g8way says:

    The symptoms are comparable to those from the original SARS and MERS. The overall death rates in countries without lockdowns are tracking those with lockdowns. The numbers of deaths is comparable with typical flu seasons in both. It makes no more sense to go looking for a bioweapon or a Patient Zero this year than any other year, or for that matter to be doing anything differently than any other year.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @Sasha
    , @Gilad Atzmon
  8. Sasha says:
    @g8way

    It’s as if you didn’t watch the first video and also missed the whole text. Especially this passage:

    What Dr. Kyle-Sidell suggests is a paradigm change in the perception of the current endemic. Kyle-Sidell is not alone, the few doctors who allow themselves to discuss the situation in a critical manner admit that medical science is perplexed by the virus.
    One would assume that if the virus at the centre of the current epidemic was an unsavoury present from ‘mother nature’ we would be able to trace its evolution. We likely would have seen the gradual appearance of some of the new symptoms that have caught our medical establishment unprepared. It doesn’t seem this happened. In the view of many medical practitioners the new disease is in a category of its own. It is a novelty.

    When even the Cabinet of the UK Government says that they are not ruling out the possibility that this is an engineered virus originating in a “biodefense” lab (https://www.businessinsider.com/boris-johnson-government-coronavirus-may-leaked-chinese-laboratory-covid-2020-4?op=1), that should be the final nail in the “bat soup” coffin. Many virologists and others whose expertise is concerned with gene editing have stated that the odds of this being a natural mutation (due to the HIV reverse-binding protein) are astronomical, or as this link puts it very diplomatically, “unlikely to be fortuitous in nature”. https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.30.927871v1

  9. Israel is suing China for the pandemic. Hmmm.

    It could be used as excuse for reneging on all debts to China.

    It probably began with bats or came out of Wuhan Lab… but I wouldn’t be surprised if Zio-globo operatives released the germ in China to create a pretext for uniting the world against China and looting it financially.

    One thing for sure, China should ban all Israel centers in China and cut all friendly ties with Israel.

    The lawsuit is outrageous. Not because China isn’t responsible to some degree but because Israel is a criminal state that caused so much harm and so many deaths in the Middle East. Israel suing another nation for damages is laughable.

    Palestinians, Syrians, Iranians, Libyans, and Russian women sold into sex slavery should sue Israel and Jewish globalist Jews for 100 trillion.

  10. Gian says:

    Please follow the research of George Webb and Dr. Shiva.

    • Agree: dogbumbreath
    • Replies: @Celt1
  11. Anything’s possible, but if I had to put money on one and only one hypothesis, I’d go with an accidental leak from a lab in Wuhan.

    • Agree: unit472
    • Replies: @Nuncle
    , @Gilad Atzmon
  12. @A123

    Whether CV 19 is a biological weapon or an artificially created virus that found its way to the world is yet to be determined and should be investigated by criminal experts implementing criminal investigatory methods . However addressing your points:

    -A- Do not want to be infected by their own weapon. WUHAN-19 has a long incubation period and is easy to transmit. The presence of BOTH of these characteristics is inconsistent with weaponization as they more or less guarantee the disease will ‘Go Global’.

    G: Long incubation period is hardly a problem for a weaponized biological agents, it actually makes it very difficult or even impossible to trace the spreader. The fact that CV19 is highly infectious is indeed a problem but this may have something to do with an accidental usage or unpredictable mutant. To the point, these questions must be investigated by criminal experts. I am not planning to produce to answers to the question but rather to push the discourse in this direction.

    -B- Want exclusive control of countermeasures. One nation/side would have a cure and the target would have to capitulate to obtain it. WUHAN-19 can be mitigated or cured by a combo treatment of CQ/AZ/ZN, inexpensive generics that are widely available. This is not consistent with weaponization.

    G: so far, we do not see any effective cure for CV 19 and if you have one, don’t waste your time here, go and save the tens of thousands who are about to die as we speak. But to address your point, every military means is destined to meet a counter measure, this is hardly an argument. More to the point, I am not arguing in the article that CV 19 is a biological military agent, nor do I say that it leaked from a bio lab. I argue instead that these questions must be investigated applying criminal investigation methods.

    Finally, I have noticed that supporters of Israel insist to attribute to CV 19 qualities that push it as far as possible from Israel , they name it ‘Chinese Virus’ and ‘WUHAN 19’ as you do above. They want the virus to come from bats and are offended when some scientists including Israeli ones doubt it. Since your perform these pro Israeli symptoms, I have to question you, are you a Zionist enthusiast?

    • Agree: Owen C., tomo, Tor597
    • Replies: @A123
    , @obwandiyag
    , @refl
  13. @g8way

    Nop, they are not comparable at all,,,They (CV19, Sars and Mers) share some symptoms and they are all part of the Corona family , but this is where it ends,,, However, what you say about CV19 and flu season is a common view, those who believe in herd immunity and I am one of them, may agree with you. However, if we are at a war as our governments insist, we may want to verify who are we in a war with? I believe that a criminal investigation may prove to be the most effective measure right now as it doesn’t interfere with the medical research…

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  14. @Trinity

    “Hmm, I have a better shot at hitting the Powerball Lottery Jackpot tonight than that happening, especially if I am relying on Western “leaders” for the truth.”
    You’re spot on here.
    9/11, (& the anthrax side show, serving the same narrative) MH 17, the Skripnals, the Syria chemical WMD barrel bomb attack, & so on. Who could entertain, never mind trust, any kind of Western “investigation” ?

    • Agree: Alfred
    • Replies: @refl
  15. Anon[455] • Disclaimer says:

    Gilad Atzmon brought up an interesting possibility in his article: lab mice have escaped research facilities and wild rodents making nests with research waste. Seeing that many nations are reasearching viruses, it would be so easy for a series of little honest mistakes by lab workers and janitors to wind up freeing one critter or its waste into a dumpster outside the facility. A little bad luck later, and something awful is spreading amongst human beings.

    I was always fearful of a particular scenario on this subject: a “12 Monkeys” type situation in which an ecological/population control zealot employee at a lab intentionally releases some contagion he hopes lowers the world population, and (like in the movie) made a few stops around the world to evenly spread it so countries didnt have much advance warning. The movies depiction of that was one of those, “Oh no, I hope some nut doesn’t see this movie and get some evil ideas” moment for me when I saw that flick 25 years ago.

    • Agree: Gilad Atzmon
  16. Nuncle says:
    @Anonymous

    We have about as much chance of finding ‘patient zero’ as finding out, say, who Lee Harvey Oswald really was, or when and where Bin Laden actually died (if he did).

  17. Erebus says:
    @Priss Factor

    Israel is suing China for the pandemic. Hmmm.

    It’s called getting out ahead of the narrative. There’s similar talk coming out the US, including the notion of reneging on debt. If it ever comes to that, it would amount to a fatal own-goal.

    China has been very careful over decades to make sure FDI in China matches their foreign holdings, especially of FDI originating in the US vs their holdings of USTs. Even if declaring China’s USTs null & void didn’t completely crash the global dollar system, China would retaliate by immediately nationalizing all American owned assets in the country. China gets the factories & R & D centres, along with their IP, the US gets its worthless paper back.

    I’d take China’s side of that trade every time, and I bet Ford, GM, IBM etc wouldn’t be thrilled either.

    The only way to reverse that trade is war, but I think we’d hear a lot about what a “Great Deal!” it was for the US instead.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  18. Robjil says:
    @lloyd

    That concept came about because Poland escaped the black death. The Jews had social autonomy and special rights in Poland.

    https://www.quora.com/Why-did-the-plague-outbreak-in-1348-The-Black-Death-miss-Poland

    the large and developed (hygiene!) Jewish communities issue is often invoked, for the reasons I wrote before. Also, in other places in Europe the Jews had been accused of “poisoning the wells” to cause Plague (in their communities Plague was usually – not always – less severe, “so it must have been them”), so they were chased out of towns – possibly carrying the Plague further. In Poland they had the royal protection (King Kasimir was known to provide rule of law across the board, this is one of reasons he was so popular).

    https://www.medievalists.net/2019/08/black-death-did-not-reach-poland-according-to-peat-bog-evidence/

    Peat bog analysis? That does not sound attractive. But for scientists, bog research is a goldmine of knowledge about various historical events. Recently, for example, they confirmed that the Black Death epidemic in the mid-14th century did not reach Poland; agricultural production remained at a stable level during that time.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  19. @Colin Wright

    Accidental yes, China? I am not sure at all…

  20. unit472 says:

    Global opinion is not going to go down every possible rabbit hole looking for a source when the observed outbreak has a name and location. Wuhan, China. Despite China’s best efforts to muddy the water the world is not about to forgive or forget the Chinese efforts to cover-up and mislead the world about the novel CHINA virus.

    Senator Tom Cotton’s damning declaration that China banned ALL domestic flights out of Wuhan but not international flights is a FACT China is going to have to explain and I wish them luck in doing so.

  21. Here’s a nice layman’s summary of the evidence that COVID-19 is a bioweapon:

    https://harvardtothebighouse.com/2020/03/23/no-monkey-ever-reheated-a-frozen-burrito-what-the-expanse-tells-us-about-the-covid-19-pandemic/

    But the attribution is too broad-brush for my taste: a plague on both their houses. If this is in fact a bioweapon – an internationally wrongful act in breach of jus cogens – our rebuttable presumption should be that it’s complemented by multiple efforts to impede and misdirect attribution. These need to be laid out as the national analog of guilty demeanor.

  22. Trinity says:
    @Priss Factor

    You forgot about Ukrainians and the Holodomor? Yes, Jews hadn’t stolen Israel when the Holodomor took place, but shouldn’t the nation of Israel and all Jews be held accountable in some shape or form for the genocide of the Ukrainian people the way all Germans are held accountable for the Holocaust?

    How about the rest of Europe, America, Canada, Australia and Whites in South Africa? Since Jews are front and center at leading the way at flooding these countries with nonwhites from the third world in an attempt to genocide Whites through FORCED ASSIMILATION, why aren’t they held accountable for the crime of GENOCIDE? This Jewish experiment has resulted in the rapes and murders of many Whites at the hands of hostile third world invaders. We also know that Jewish communists like Joe Slovo and others led the anti-apartheid movement in South Africa that has now resulted in the deaths of tens of thousands of South African Whites, many of them children and the elderly killed in some of the most brutal ways imaginable.

    I say Israel/Jews worldwide owe a great many reparations to not only those you mentioned but ALL WHITE NATIONS AROUND THE GLOBE.

  23. When government secrecy regulations govern the distribution and access to the data the use of the term medical science is a misnomer. Only the doctors and virologists with need to know are going to have a clue, and they will only have a clue, as the data will be compartmentalized and restricted until long after you and I are dead. They are still controlling documents from 1945.

  24. Yee says:

    The US has military bio-labs all over the world. Why nobody is asking what monsters they are creating in those labs? Also, the US has a dirty record of using bio-weapons in the past.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @dogbumbreath
  25. utu says:

    Crime scene? Disinformation campaign? Who is doing investigating and who is planting false leads? Who among the many homegrown Sherlock Holmeses is a witless patsy? How to be an objective witness when being a subject of the disinformation campaign?

    I strongly recommend reading on the Operation Infection that was a very successful KGB lead disinformation campaign in 1980’s. Articles were planted in a minor paper in the 2nd world country, scientist insinuating alternative narrative were sent to minor conferences, they gave interviews to 2nd rate news networks, then a major Soviet Block paper picked it up, then some 2nd rate paper in the West picked it up and soon people with right confirmation bias began to believe the story. Then in the 1980s they did not have internet so the process of seeding the story and whipping it up from the level of whispers to the storm took much longer.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Infektion

    “A complex of [active] measures regarding this issue has been carried out since 1985 in cooperation with the [East] German and to some extent the Czech colleagues. In the initial stage, the task was resolved of spreading in the mass media the version regarding the artificial origin of the AIDS virus and the Pentagon’s involvement in by means of the military-biological laboratory at Fort Detrick.”

    After the USSR dissolution some oaprtaives of KGB, STASI and Bulgarian intelligence admitted that the whole campaign was a hoax. Even KGB Director Yevgeny Primakov admitted that the KGB was behind the newspaper articles claiming that AIDS was created by the U.S. Yet, to no avail. The disinformation camping was a success. “In 2005, a study by the RAND Corporation and Oregon State University revealed that nearly 50% of African Americans thought AIDS was man-made, over 25% believed AIDS was a product of a government laboratory, 12% believed it was created and spread by the CIA, and 15% believed that AIDS was a form of genocide against black people.”

  26. Tard View says:

    28, in which utu flops out of his time machine, yowling with Vietnam flashbacks and blowing 40-year-old Cold War smoke up your ass. He’s never been to Russia, can’t speak a word of Russian or Chinese, and most poignantly, he believes his own government. Boner pills for Libyan troops, Sarin bombs in Syria, nerve gas for the Skripals, WMD in Iraq, Oswald, Let’s roll, he fell for it all, hook line & sinker!

    http://armswatch.com/category/weapons/biological-weapons/

    Thanks to Dr. Unz for enriching the discourse with the all-important helpless brainwashed dupe viewpoint. Because for larger freedom of information, all quintiles of the IQ distribution deserve access. Utu represents the 2nd quintile of patriots who mouth the parts of the pledge of allegiance they forget, but they really truly mean it all.

    • Agree: Fran Taubman
    • Disagree: Alden
    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
    , @utu
  27. A123 says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    G: Long incubation period is hardly a problem for a weaponized biological agents, it actually makes it very difficult or even impossible to trace the spreader. The fact that CV19 is highly infectious is indeed a problem but this may have something to do with an accidental usage or unpredictable mutant. To the point, these questions must be investigated by criminal experts. I am not planning to produce to answers to the question but rather to push the discourse in this direction.

    I was going for the simultaneous presence of BOTH characteristics being present together indicating that the virus is not a weapon.

    If WUHAN-19 is highly subject to mutation, as you postulate, that would be a 3rd Strike pointing to the fact that it is not a weapon. Anyone developing a bio-WMD would need predictability. Releasing randomness makes no military sense.

    G: so far, we do not see any effective cure for CV 19 and if you have one, don’t waste your time here, go and save the tens of thousands who are about to die as we speak.

    Victims of TDS refuse to accept that CQ/AZ/ZN treatment is effective because it was advocated by Trump.

    But to address your point, every military means is destined to meet a counter measure, this is hardly an argument.

    When a counter measure is available the weapon is taken out of the arsenal and not deployed.

    The fact that there is a fore-knowable solution points to WUHAN-19 not being a bio-WMD.

    I have noticed that supporters of Israel… I have to question you, are you a Zionist enthusiast?

    I am a realist. The decision point is part of history. There are millions of Jews, living in a Jewish nation, on Jewish land, at the holiest site of Judaism. 70+ years of Muslim denial and unwarranted anti-Zionist aggression have made things worse. Does accepting that Israel exists, and will continue to do so, make me a ‘Zionist enthusiast’?

    I notice that victims of TDS inevitably:
    — Attack and blame the U.S. and its allies, such as Israel.
    — Willingly give Aid and Comfort to enemies of the U.S., such as China and Iran.

    I have a question for you:

    Do you suffer from the affliction commonly known as Trump Derangement Syndrome [TDS]?

    PEACE 😷

  28. @Tard View

    utu represents a large portion of the folks on UR, that live in Never Never Land. Commentators like Gilad’s theory of Covid criminality spiced up with a little Israel Mossad bio weapon keeps these guys going. One good conspiracy leads to another.

    • Replies: @Trinity
  29. You all just want to blame China because they are yellow. That’s all. That’s your only reason. Because this is the “Blacks bad” site and then “also other ethnic groups” is the addendum. And that’s all. You have not a thought in your brains. You just have infantile obsessions.

    Ft. Detrick. Period.

  30. utu says:
    @Tard View

    Did your sleeper cell get a wake up call from Olgino? Didn’t realize I could do it with one comment. Anyway, welcome to UR and hope we will hear form you again.

    Olgino – The Internet Research Agency (IRA; Russian: Агентство интернет-исследований translit: Agentstvo Internet-Isseledovaniy), also known as Glavset. The company was founded in mid-2013. In 2013, Novaya Gazeta newspaper reported that Internet Research Agency Ltd’s office was in Olgino, a historic district of Saint Petersburg.

  31. Trinity says:
    @Fran Taubman

    “Conspiracy?” hahaha. And trolls like (((you))) always seem to pop up with the standard m.o. of denouncing the TRUTH as a “conspiracy.” People like (((you))) have been proven over and over to be liars. To borrow another poster’s signature line once again, “5 Dancing Shlomos.” Oh, yeah I know, the 5 dancing Israelis celebrating the destruction of the Twin Towers on 9-11 were yet another COHENcidence. WHY would an American “ally” be celebrating as THOUSANDS of Americans died horrible deaths?

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
  32. A123 says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    Accidental yes, China? I am not sure at all…

    An accidental release would tend to:

    — Stay near the point of the accident, AND
    — Have a logical travel reason from the point of the accident to any other hot spots

    The first two outbreaks of WUHAN-19 were China and Iran.

    If Iran and China are cooperating on bio-WMD development, then an accident in Iran could have easily travelled to China via a Wuhan bioweapon Virus Laboratory employee that was participating in the Iranian failed experiment.

    PEACE 😷

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Gilad Atzmon
  33. @utu

    https://www.africa.upenn.edu/Urgent_Action/AIDS_Contract.html This seems to be the last easily accessible (non-hostile) article about Jakob Segal’s theory. All three of his papers which were on the internet 20 years ago (in German) have disappeared along with Morrisy’s description of his efforts to find if anyone was researching using sheep as animals to get an AIDS vaccine from. (There were a few who had started but had stopped as a result of death threats and one in the University of Rekjavik who seems to have disappeared too.) I knew Segal and I am certain that he believed that HIV was the result of US bio-war research under a Dr McArthur and funded by Congress to the tune of $10 million. There is an extant, publicly available record of that vote BTW.

    • Replies: @utu
  34. @A123

    When the article is ready, the troll appears, with mendacity coming out of every pore.

    • Replies: @A123
  35. @A123

    However, the other significant possibility is mishandling of a non-weaponized sample by staff at the Wuhan Bioweapon Laboratory.

    Do you even have a clue how a Level 4 Lab operates with multiple consecutive safety measures to contain pathogens?
    The chances of a pathogen “accidentally” escaping through mishandling are virtually nil, providing all safety measures are followed, because they wear Hazmat suits. The chances of a pathogen escaping by deceit are low. The chances of a pathogen escaping due to blatant safety violations, such as occurred at Fort Detrick, are high.
    Even the mainland hating Taiwanese have acknowledged there couldn’t have been an “accidental” escape.
    The “Wet Market” theory is a zombie. It keeps coming back even though it epidemiology has shown there were 42 contacts outside that resulted in 7 contacts going into the market.

    Odds are high that the CCP will quash any objective ‘criminal investigation’. The CCP’s Wuhan Health Organization [WHO] has twin goals, ignoring science & shifting blame.

    I have no particular use for the CCP or the WHO and its sidekick Bill “Vax and Chip” Gates. However your comment does provide comic relief. There are only 3 countries in the world who have consistently refused to co-operate with investigations: Israel and its two satellites the US and UK.
    Is the Chinese government being completely honest? Not likely. But somehow I’m supposed to believe that countries who assassinate foreign leaders and officials and/or overthrow governments on a regular basis are supposed to be more credible than the CCP? Wow! What are you smokin’?

    • Replies: @A123
  36. @Gilad Atzmon

    I have posted this link elsewhere. Please note the date, and the WHO disagreeing. COVID 19 is SARS2

    https://www.the-scientist.com/news-analysis/cause-of-sars-disputed-51794

    Plummer’s claim to fame, along with Alan Ronald, was tracking the spread of HIV across Africa in the mid 80s through prostitutes in Kenya. Something they stumbled across was that some of the prostitutes were immune to HIV.

    • Replies: @Gilad Atzmon
  37. @Robjil

    The Jews had social autonomy and special rights in Poland.

    The reality is that the Jews had special privileges in virtually every country, until they wore out their welcome. The RC Church forbade usury. To avoid charges of usury, royalty employed Jews as their money handlers, which included tax collecting. They were extremely useful for this, which is why they had special privileges.

  38. @Gilad Atzmon

    ‘Accidental yes, China? I am not sure at all…’

    I’m genuinely not sure either. I’m just saying what I think is most likely.

  39. @utu

    The disinformation camping was a success. “In 2005, a study by the RAND Corporation and Oregon State University revealed that nearly 50% of African Americans thought AIDS was man-made, over 25% believed AIDS was a product of a government laboratory, 12% believed it was created and spread by the CIA, and 15% believed that AIDS was a form of genocide against black people.”

    Blacks are so gullible because of mental handicaps.

    Remember Hussein Obama’s former pastor Rev. Jeremiah Wright talking about HIV/AIDS and black genocide?

    Then you had ‘Dr’ Boyd E Graves who even wrote a book about it and believed the cure is tetrasilver tetroxide based on a bogus patent by Marvin Antelman, an Israeli Rabbi and alternative medicine quack.

  40. utu says:
    @foolisholdman

    Jakob Segal – Following the Soviet annexation of Lithuania during the war, Segal and wife accepted Soviet citizenship. In the early 1950s, he moved to East Germany, reportedly on the recommendation of Soviet officials, becoming informeller Mitarbeiter. In 1952, he became a biology professor at Humboldt University in East Berlin, and in 1953 founded its Institute for Applied Bacteriology. From 1967–70, he worked at the National Center for Scientific Research in Havana, Cuba. He moved to Mexico City, where he retired in the early 1970s before returning to East Berlin. – Wiki

    “How Segal was actually brought into the process is not known with certainty, but in all likelihood “evidence” of the US origins of AIDS would have been given to him in personal meetings, perhaps with a professional colleague previously briefed by the MfS. In this first meeting, Segal would not have been told explicitly that the material came from Soviet bloc intelligence or that it was part of a disinformation campaign. Rather, he simply would have been encouraged to look into the matter. Given Segal’s background, he would have been expected to reach the intended conclusion. While Segal may have suspected the real source of the AIDS material, it was common practice in the GDR for authorities to share “background information” quasi-conspiratorially in one-on-one conversations. Its validity was typically not questioned.” – wiki

  41. A123 says:
    @ploni almoni

    Phoney Ploni Baloney,

    Why do you have a problem with the TRUTH?

    You always respond to accuracy with sad, pathetic, and obvious lies. No one will ever believe you.

    PEACE 😷

    • Replies: @Druid55
  42. A123 says:
    @Curmudgeon

    Do you even have a clue how a Level 4 Lab operates with multiple consecutive safety measures to contain pathogens?

    Do you have any idea how China operates?

    Party members believe they are above the law. Petty graft is found everywhere. Regardless of what it says on paper about how the system should work, what people actually do is quite different.

    If you cannot accept an ‘accident’, malfeasance and negligence are also logical possibilites.

    The “Wet Market” theory is a zombie. It keeps coming back even though it epidemiology has shown there were 42 contacts outside that resulted in 7 contacts going into the market.

    Where did you get these numbers? The lying Chinese government that has obvious reasons to fabricate to cover-up the source of the outbreak?

    If you believe that an outside force created WUHAN-19 and intentionally released it… Wow, you are smoking da wacky stuff!

    PEACE 😷

  43. Anon[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Yee

    The US quit bioweapons research in the 70’s, and I think that China also has quit bioweapons research.

    As Gilad mentioned, Israel has NOT joined the Biological Weapons Convention. It is theoretically possible that they might do secretive bioweapons research, though, as Gilad also mentioned, they do not claim to do so.

    In the USA, these military bio-labs are funded by the Department of Defense to research epidemiology and pathology. It is about “defense” from disease. (It is just a way to funnel research dollars in, using the “military” (properly called the Defense) budget.)

    • Disagree: Alfred
    • Troll: Ship Track
    • Replies: @dimples
    , @Curmudgeon
  44. Iris says:
    @A123

    Put an end to your misery Hasbara, and go trolling somewhere else as you are wasting your time.

    The genetic trail of the SARS-CoV-2 virus has been established by Phylogenetic Network analysis, and the resulting evolutionary network confirmed and validated by the real travel history of the Covid-19-infected subjects.

    The virus was identified as having evolved through 3 main genetic clusters, strains A, B and C which appeared in that sequential order, with A being the ancestor, B deriving from A, and C being the later to appear.

    One clear outcome of the study is that the Wuhan outbreak was caused by Strain B, indicating that the epidemic was brought to China from elsewhere.

    Another outcome is that the Bat strain used as outgroup reference for the genetic network is the furthest possible apart from the first virus isolate collected in Wuhan, thus scientifically disproving the “bat soup” and “Wuhan lab” cock-and-bull stories.
    This also raises the burning question of the mysterious and unexplained genesis of SARS-CoV-2.

  45. KO says:

    I’ve always believed the Bill Gates Virus was created in a laboratory. One thing alone leads all suspicion, among many things related to the virus, is the fact that Gates and his ilk repeat the idea that life will never be the same again, and that the virus will be present year long, which if course, is the reason we all need medical ID cards to prove we’ve been infected or not infected – ID2020. I don’t believe them at all. The reason life will never be the same again is due to the economy.

    The only way out of depression is to find some new form of currency that ripples around the world faster than Bill Gate’s viruses.

    Gates has stated that the earth needs population control, a culling of sorts, and once he vaccinates everyone on the planet there will be fewer people. Yeah, he said that.

    He’s the first suspect and he has a history of creating viruses and the “coming pandemic” has been his passion for quite some time. Also, Dr. Fauci is a follower in Gate’s pandemic probability.

    Who the hell elected Gates Surgeon General to go out and give speeches about how life will never be the same, and we need global vaccinations?

    • Agree: Nuncle, Alfred
  46. SafeNow says:

    Given that CDC corona meetings are conducted on a top-secret basis, the emergence of an atmosphere of open investigation does not look promising. Add to this the recent FBI memo stating that people who resist a controlled explanation can be designated as terrorists. Even if evidence should somehow emerge, it will be silenced, in Flight-800 fashion, or, in a more harsh fashion.

  47. SafeNow says:

    Re Gates: Bill Gates created that preposterous thousand-dollar toilet as the toilet for the third world. That should say it all. Roger Ebert, in his original review of The Graduate, referred to “the forgettable music of Simon and Garfunkel.” He was wrong, as he graciously admitted years later. What’s the lesson? Do one thing. Ebert tried to be a music critic. Gates, software, stop there. Along the same theme, we are now rampantly hearing coronavirus opinions from doctors whose expertise lies in unrelated areas.

    • Agree: Hibernian
  48. @A123

    It has been established that tribals identified with the Zionist project and Israeli politics in particular are desperate to sustain the MSM narrative with China and bats at the centre of our attention. Trump insist referring to CV19 as the Chinesevirus, you repeat the same apparatus keep mentioning this comical WUHAN-19, The only problem is that less and less ppl within the scientific community and beyond who buy this narrative and for many different, however rational reasons.

    One of the reasons that a criminal investigation is essential at this stage is to verify how is it possible that the virus actually appeared in its ancestral version (type A) in America first. What was the true nature of the Pneumonia Epidemic in Israel, UK, the USA in December 2019. How do we explain that in Israel the corona fatality ratio (fatals/virus carriers) is the best in the world, did they somehow developed herd immunity? How come? And no it isn’t the Jewish gene as we learn that disapora Jews are actually very vulnerable https://www.timesofisrael.com/nearly-5-of-uk-coronavirus-dead-are-jewish/

    I can continue with these speculations till the end of time, however, since I take the matter seriously I will save myself from competing with your Hasbara spiel… At least at this stage I will refrain from calling CV19 ‘Ness Ziona 97’ or ‘Migal 1’ because I do not have the forensic evidence to point at Israel, but I can clearly see that you like Fran are tormented by the possibility of Israel being framed. BTW, I am not even certain that Cv19 captures the entire story,,, It may as well be a symptom rather than the disease…

    • Thanks: Omegabooks
  49. @A123

    And what if our clever ppl in Israel or the USA or Britain or France, or Russia identified a leak, an accident, an emerging lethal contagious mutant and then spread the virus as far as they can from ‘home’ or from the location of the accident? I really do not want to engage in these speculations that are by all means conspiratorial… What I ask in this paper is for the Corona crisis to be escalated into a crime investigation and for proper detectives to step in ASAP!

  50. False assumption Mr. Atzmon.
    “One would assume that if the virus at the centre of the current epidemic was an unsavoury present from ‘mother nature’ we would be able to trace its evolution.”

    Let’s consider how much we really know about nature in the first place.

    How many insects are there on earth?
    “Globally, scientists have identified about 925,000 species of insects, says Hogg, the entomology professor. Estimates on the number of total insects species fall as high as 30 million and as low as 2 million.”
    Obviously, then, we have a lot to learn about insects, as we actually don’t even have a clue how many species there are.
    https://animals.howstuffworks.com/animal-facts/insects-on-earth1.htm

    what about soil microorganisms? How much do we know about them? I’m not even going to bother providing a reference, anyone can look it up, but I do remember about 10 years ago reading an article by a journalist who I assume had looked into it, who was concerned about use of Roundup and other agricultural chemicals being dumped over New Zealand farmland and how these were affecting microorganisms in the soil. The journalist noted that we had only catalogued a truly piddling fraction of them yet we were destroying an unknown number without knowing anything about them, their chemistry etc. and their roles and benefits in the ecosystem.

    And it’s the same for phytonutrients in food. I recall reading stuff about the different chemicals in purple carrots and other beneficial health foods. The information presented showed that we don’t know how many of such nutrients exist, let alone what they do and their chemical composition etc.

    You get the point. We humans tend to grossly overestimate our knowledge of the natural world, and as an aside, this goes to the heart of the intelligent design debate where an increasing number of scientists and curious people, note the unfathomable complexity of the natural world, both in terms of the mathematics, physics and chemistry, the biological world and the labyrinthine information systems that underpin that biology.

    One of your key assumptions is therefore unfounded. There is no reason to believe we know very much about viruses or other microorganisms at all, or that we should be able to trace the genetics of a new virus. It’s another speck in the huge ocean of things we just don’t understand.
    Perhaps more atheist/materialist types should get real, get their heads out of the sand, and get down on their knees.

    South China morning Post April 7, 2020. “Coronavirus: One virus caused Covid-19. Scientists say thousands more are in waiting”.
    The article notes some facts that we do know for sure: “Since the start of this century, two disease outbreaks have been caused by new coronaviruses that made the leap from animal hosts to people, mutating in the process to latch onto human cells. Covid-19 is the third……That such a large pool of viruses exists in so-called animal reservoirs is not a surprise to scientists and researchers who study them. But the concern is that evolving human behaviour, both social and economic, is increasingly bumping up against this army in animal habitats.”
    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/3078669/one-virus-caused-covid-19-scientists-say-thousands-more-are-waiting

    And come to think of it, didn’t China have a massive swine flu outbreak only last year, that caused them to slaughter millions upon millions of pigs?

    Seen in this light it’s not the slightest bit strange to encounter a virus we’ve never seen before and for which we don’t understand the genetic makeup. Let’s use Occam’s razor here. The bio weapon, laboratory mistake conspiracy theories appear to be based on pure speculation and circumstantial evidence. John was found dead with an ax through his head. Michael owns an ax therefore Michael killed John. Sinister laboratory was doing research on bat viruses, this is a bat virus, so it came from sinister laboratory. That is in fact about all the conspiracy theorists have got so far.

    Conspiracy theories are not inherently wrong. Of course there are conspiracies and of course there are theories to uncover those conspiracies. But baseless conspiracy theories, Putin stole the election from the Democrats type drivel published by the mainstream media, are not underpinned by evidence and we can dismiss them because a cursory examination of the evidence (baseless speculation) shows them to be invalid. Nonetheless, to decide which conspiracy theories should get any traction, we have to examine the evidence in each case.

    Occam’s razor still works for this Covid 19 virus I’m afraid. It came from a wet market in China, it jumped the species barrier and we don’t know much about it. The circumstantial evidence case and speculation does not constitute evidence at all really. At best it’s just idle musings.

    Seeing that people are so gullible and stupid that they could suck up to the Putin/Trump conspiracy theory/phantasms (and that’s just one example), conjured up by the media sorcerers with no evidence at all and ride it so far, it’s dangerous to make speculations about bio weapons. People are gullible and the consequences of making such heinous accusations could be dire.

    And finally, as drastic as it may seem, it has to be said. We don’t have enough data to know really how deadly this virus is. It is not baseless speculation to assert that the fatality rate of the number of people truly infected may be a fraction of 1%, the overwhelming majority of whom are old. What percentage of the total number of infected people have no symptoms or relatively mild symptoms, like a mild or nasty cold? In the rush to save lives we have turned our nations into command economies run by medics. And those medics do not understand the social and economic implications of what they are doing. They are public servants who think they are running the nation as a big hospital. The world is not a public service hospital I’m afraid.

    I am not alone in expressing my fear that the cure may be worse than the disease. The last Great Depression finished in World War II did it not? If we collapse the world economy, with 8 billion people on this planet, we may be letting one very big bad genie out of the bottle. We cannot know where it will end. Mass unemployment, ethnic/tribal/religious wars, violent revolutions, famine even, waves of refugees, societal breakdown and chaos are not out of the question if we collapse the economy! We already have an economic system based on the fallacy of creating trillions of dollars out of thin air by lending money into existence, then contriving fake economic theories like the CPI as inflation etc. which are thoroughly deceptive measures. Ask the homeless who can’t afford the rent.
    In 2 maybe 5, 10 years from now, will we be standing in a chaotic world looking back and saying to ourselves that it would’ve been a much cheaper price to pay to let the virus run, bury a few millions dead and develop herd immunity?
    Yes, we are facing a plague but there are no easy choices.

    • Thanks: mark green
    • Replies: @vot tak
    , @lloyd
    , @Gilad Atzmon
  51. vot tak says:

    “As soon as the Corona virus became the new disaster, Dany Shoham, a former Israeli military intelligence officer, was quick to point to China’s biowarfare program as a possible originator of the virus.”

    &

    “Any detectives who examine the Ness Ziona Lab will have to figure out how the Israeli institute is already so advanced in the development of a Covid-19 vaccine. According to the Israeli press, a novel corona virus vaccine is already being tested at the institute.

    Ness Ziona is not alone at the front of the Corona vaccine race. Migal, another Israeli company, announced at the end of February that it was almost ready with a vaccine.Any detectives who examine the Ness Ziona Lab will have to figure out how the Israeli institute is already so advanced in the development of a Covid-19 vaccine. According to the Israeli press, a novel corona virus vaccine is already being tested at the institute.

    Ness Ziona is not alone at the front of the Corona vaccine race. Migal, another Israeli company, announced at the end of February that it was almost ready with a vaccine.”

    Yeah, first shoham’s smear and then the israelis miraculously having a vaccine nearly ready, raise strong suspicions that the israeli role in the creation of this pandemic was considerably more than that of a simple advisory capacity.

    Thanks for putting this information together, Gilad Atzmon.

  52. Alfred says:

    A criminal investigation would have to examine Chinese as well as Russian, British, French, German, etc.

    should be

    A criminal investigation would have to examine Israeli as well as Chinese, Russian, British, French, German, etc.

    • Agree: NoseytheDuke, Trinity
    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
    , @Gilad Atzmon
  53. @Anonymous

    There is a patient zero candidate, Maatja Benassi.

  54. Dany Shoham’s accusation is interesting, because by mid-day on 9/11/01 Ehud Barak was interviewed on BBC and was telling the world the exact Official Narrative that has never changed since (I think you can still find the interview on youtube). Coincidence that they are both Israeli?

    Here’s another twist to this terrorist attack (that’s what I’m calling it): there’s been more than one Medical professional (Never connected with Government or corporations) that has said that Coronavirus will not cause a Pandemic (in so many words):

    Italian nano-pathologist Stefano Montanari interviewed recently, saying that the deaths being reported are NOT due to Coronavirus. You can read his interview at TheSaker or theoccidentalobserver.net if you don’t mind going into a white-nationalist site. He said Coronovirus’s are very common but that the Italian deaths are not caused by it. It helps aggravate other diseases in elderly and frail but is not the cause of death.

    The next man was a Professor of Epidemiology and Biostatistics at Rockefeller university for 20 years, Knut Wittkowski.

    His interview is on youtube – The first 15 min is very compelling:

    Perspectives on the Pandemic | Professor Knut Wittkowski | Episode 2

    Perspectives on the Pandemic Episode 2: In this explosive second edition of Perspectives on the Pandemic, Professor Knut Wittkowski, for twenty years head of The Rockefeller University’s Department of Biostatistics, Epidemiology, and Research Design, says that social distancing and lockdown is the absolutely worst way to deal with an airborne respiratory virus.

    Further, he offers data to show that China and South Korea had already reached their peak number of cases when they instituted their containment measures. In other words, nature had already achieved, or nearly achieved, herd immunity.

    He is very interesting. He talks about “Herd Immunity” and that Coronavirus, just like flu will run about 4-5 weeks and then be GONE if left to run it’s course. He says we can have elderly and frail self contain but School Children should not have been quarantined.

    Have you noticed how nice it is to get into fresh air after being cooped up for long time?

    Not sure on this one. Either, the Globalists are simply lying about it being a Pandemic so they can use the crisis for their world-government stuff & Technological Coup t’dat (which explains recent appearances by Kissinger, Brown, and many interviews of Bill Gates)…OR maybe Mr. Atzmon’s theory is true.

    Time will tell…

    • Thanks: refl
  55. Fauci is pointing fingers at Trump now, saying Trump was slow to react, and that Trump considered the Sweden strategy of allowing nature to take its’ course to reach herd immunity.
    (I think Trump’s instincts were probably correct)

    Weasel Fauci claims that he warned the President that many people could die. Fauci paints a picture of Trump as both callous and stupid. I don’t buy it and I’m not much of a Trump fan.

    This is yet another plan to screw Trump, in a long list of methods they’ve used to screw Trump.

    Weasel Fauci did the same fearmongering when AIDS surfaced in the 80’s, told people it would spread in the straight community, caused a major panic over what turned out to be a mostly gay disease.

    Fauci will no doubt testify for Schiff in his latest effort to criminalize Trump’s reaction to the virus.

    Fact is, the media and Fauci downplayed the danger of the virus early on, and when Trump talked about closing the border they screeched, “RAYCISS!!!!”

    IMHO, the damage from the shutdown will turn out to be worse than the virus.

    • Agree: Gleimhart Mantooso
    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Nuncle
  56. @Yee

    The US has some 400 military bio-weapons labs scattered in (mostly poor and backward) countries around the world, including new ones in Georgia, Ukraine, Moldova, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan, and Kazakhstan. Why not build them in the USA? Several nations are demanding the US dismantle these labs and take them home where they belong. (1) (2) (3)

    (1) https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/virus-biological-us-army-weapons-fort-detrick-leak-ebola-anthrax-smallpox-ricin-a9042641.html
    (2) https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/02/gary-d-barnett/the-u-s-is-the-world-leader-of-bio-weapons-research-production-and-use-against-mankind/
    (3) https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-military-bio-labs-in-ukraine-production-of-bio-weapons-and-disease-causing-agents/5605307

    • Replies: @Nuncle
    , @Parfois1
  57. Devon says:

    Gilad, once again you saw through the eye of the needle. Quite possibly, there is already an investigation underway.
    https://timesofislamabad.com/01-Apr-2020/are-israel-and-us-behind-the-coronavirus-invention-to-stop-china-s-economic-rise-stunning-revelations-by-former-un-envoy

    • Agree: tomo
  58. Arcturus says:

    Swiss cardiologist @Thomas_Binder arrested Saturday
    #5G #coronavirus

    [from Google translate]
    ‘A special unit of the cantonal police overpowered the man, a doctor, at his home in Wettingen late in the evening and arrested him, as the police said. He was admitted to a psychiatric clinic. …

    The arrest of the man has caused a stir and discussion on social media. There he was very active in discussions about the corona virus and criticized the Federal Council’s measures. For example, he spoke of a “simple corona cold virus”. But it also caused irritation. So he saw it as proven that 5G, the latest generation of mobile communications, was at least partly responsible for the coronavirus deaths.

    “We had to take the threats seriously, especially because there was a suspicion that a weapon was involved,” police spokesman Graser told TeleM1 on Sunday. Several people were affected by the threats, he emphasized.’

    https://amp.aargauerzeitung.ch/aargau/baden/groesserer-polizeieinsatz-in-wettingen-und-baden-ein-mann-festgenommen-137642218?__twitter_impression=true

    • Replies: @anon
  59. Alfred says:
    @Sasha

    Someone should grab Bill Gates. He knows all the details. He is just a pathetic nerd who has too much money. He would reveal all within 5 minutes. He has never had to deal with anything physical in his whole life. A total cretin. 🙁

    As for his bodyguards and all the rest of them, they know him too well and they would certainly not put up much of a fight.

    Many years ago, in Cairo, my dad had as guests an ex-Waffen SS colonel who had been captured at Stalingrad. He was the representative of a large German metal concern – a customer of my dad. My dad complained about president Nasser whose military camp and living quarters were nearby. This German told my dad that give a few of his “Kameraden”, he could go in there and bring out Nasser alive. 🙂

    • Replies: @E_Perez
    , @Skeptikal
  60. lloyd says: • Website
    @Giraffehead

    In his address to the nation from his hospial confinement, Boris Johnson declared the future of UK as akin to the National Health Service i.e. a hospital.

  61. @Anonymous

    Patient zero Benassi? Shut down of investigative unit

    [MORE]

    Inside info from George Webb, former US secret operations:

    America’s Dark Legacy With Bioweapons at Fort Detrick

  62. @unit472

  63. Sean says:

    ince we do not know its provenance, we should treat the current epidemic as a potentially criminal act as well as a medical event. We must begin the search for the perpetrators who may be at the centre of this possible crime of global genocidal proportions.

    There is not time for that. China has long admitted covering up the original SARS. It did the same thing in the crucial early days of COVID-19, and on the 7th of January even announced that the Wuhan disease did not spread between people. The Chinese also said it had a death rate of about 10%. So a series of bad ethical and scientific errors over COVID-19; errors that mainly impacted on the rest of the world can be laid at China’s door. Yet they remain defiant.

    https://qrius.com/novel-coronavirus-could-become-increasingly-virulent-in-detention-camps/
    COVID-19 may evolve greater virulence by circulating in a population of people kept in close, unhygienic quarters, such as the estimated one million Uighur Muslims being held in detention camps in Xinjiang, north-west China. To understand how this would be possible, it’s helpful to look at how one instance of influenza — the 1918 flu pandemic — evolved its extreme level of virulence

    This may be a watershed that marks the begining of China’s ascendancy. They certainly do not seem to think there is anything in it for them to take measures against an amped up COVID-19 second wave, judging by their recalcitrant attitude to their own wet markets and detention camps with a million inmates.

    COVID-19’s virus is called SARS-CoV-2 . It is a product of recombination and has an affinity for ACE2 in human tissues many times greater than the original SARS. The key difference is the grapple and cleave spike , which is from a pangolin virus. See here.

    THE SARS virus and the novel coronavirus are genetically quite similar. It is very possible that a SARS vaccine may also have provided some protection against SARS-CoV-2 (see also: Nature: Zhou et al., 2020).… we still have no vaccine for SARS. One of the reasons for that failure was money. A team led by Peter Hotez, dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine in Houston, presented a vaccine candidate four years ago (Human Vaccines & Immunotherapeutics: Chen et al., 2014). But when it came time for a clinical study to determine its safety and effectiveness, defined by its ability to trigger the production of antibodies, nobody could be found who was willing to finance.

    ‘Mother nature’ is like MacGyver. It hits on apparently unworkable yet functioning solutions. The mutation and recombination of a bat virus and a pangolin viruses that produced SARS-CoV-2 are ones that computer models suggest would not work. Such a counter-intuitively efficient assemblage is a feature of evolutionary search rather than consciously directed design.

    ONCE our new virus starts spreading, mutations that further its spread will be favored by natural selection. That selection is extremely rapid. Virologists make practical use of that rapid selection. [,,,] In an analogous experiment, researchers took a subtype of an avian influenza virus (one not known to infect humans) and passaged it in ferrets. Originally, it could infect ferrets but was not transmitted noticeably to other ferrets: but after 10 passages. it could – without losing virulence. “At this point, the virus population will experience selection for variants with increased capacity to spread through the human population.” Covid-19 has been not in humans very long and is probably changing fairly rapidly.

    In China there are gigantic detention centres where people are crowded like battery hens, whereby an immediate bio-threat to the whole world is being posed. And by a country so backward the men think eating pangolin scale potions will turn them into a sexual Tyrannosaurus.

    • Replies: @emplar
  64. Druid55 says:
    @lloyd

    The old trope happens to be true, so maybe this is one of your zio scum friends as well

  65. Miro23 says:

    Agree with Atzmon that there’s a potential criminal aspect:

    A number of scientists have commented that laboratories and research centres have been engaged in the study of corona viruses and experimented with models that resemble the current virus. Specifically, some have pointed to a North Carolina laboratory that experimented with the viruses extracted from bats in 2015.

    Following that link to the original article then gives a link to the research article itself in naturemedicine 9th Nov. 2015 https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985

    They built a variant of the virus capable of infecting humans.

    Therefore, to examine the emergence potential (that is, the potential to infect humans) of circulating bat CoVs, we built a chimeric virus encoding a novel, zoonotic CoV spike protein—from the RsSHC014-CoV sequence that was isolated from Chinese horseshoe bats1—in the context of the SARS-CoV mouse-adapted backbone.

    Then they tested it and found that it worked.

    To test the ability of the SHC014 spike to mediate infection of the human airway, we examined the sensitivity of the human epithelial airway cell line Calu-3 2B4 (ref. 9) to infection and found robust SHC014-MA15 replication, comparable to that of SARS-CoV Urbani (Fig. 1c). To extend these findings, primary human airway epithelial (HAE) cultures were infected and showed robust replication of both viruses (Fig. 1d).

    And they accepted that they could be doing something very dangerous.

    Together, these data and restrictions represent a crossroads of GOF research concerns; the potential to prepare for and mitigate future outbreaks must be weighed against the risk of creating more dangerous pathogens. In developing policies moving forward, it is important to consider the value of the data generated by these studies and whether these types of chimeric virus studies warrant further investigation versus the inherent risks involved.

    It’s a good question who had access to this new virus and whether it still exists.

    Then there’s this guy again – now with his chemical and biological weapons:

    “During his first term as Israel’s leader, Mr Netanyahu authorised a risky attempt to assassinate the Palestinian rising star and Hamas leader, Mr. Khaled Meshaal in the Jordanian capital, Amman. Five Mossad agents, posing as Canadian tourists, were sent to Amman. They ambushed Mr Meshaal on a street corner and sprayed poison into his left ear and expected him to die within 48 hours.”

    • Thanks: Gilad Atzmon
  66. Wally says:
    @Robert Dolan

    – Indeed Robert, Fauci is a slimy, over rated Big Govt. Leftist.

    Fauci said Jan. 21, ““This is not a major threat to the people of the United States and this is not something that the citizens of the United States should be worried about right now”

    Dr. Fauci deconstructed: God Help Us All: Dr. Fauci Knows Exactly What He’s Doing,
    By Michael Thau: https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/04/god_help_us_all_dr_fauci_knows_exactly_what_hes_doing.html
    and:
    The dubious Dr. Fauci: https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/04/the_dubious_dr_fauci.html

    [MORE]

    COVID19 timeline:
    Jan 14, WHO declared no evidence of human-to-human transmission of virus.
    – Jan 21, Dr. Fauci makes this statement about the Coronavirus: ““This is not a major threat to the people of the United States and this is not something that the citizens of the United States should be worried about right now,”
    – Jan 23, At an emergency committee convened by the World Health Organization, the WHO says that the Wuhan coronavirus does not yet constitute a public health emergency of international concern.
    – Jan 28, Chinese President Xi Jinping meets with WHO Director General Tedros Adhanom in Beijing. At the meeting, Xi and the WHO agree to send a team of international experts, including US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention staff, to China to investigate the coronavirus outbreak.
    – Jan 29, The White House announces the formation of a new task force that will help monitor and contain the spread of the virus.
    – Jan 31, Trump bans travel from Wuhan, press cites “experts” claiming it is counterproductive.
    – Feb 1, Florence holds “Hug a Chinese Person Day”.
    – Feb 4, President Trump dedicates part of State of the Union Address to the Coronavirus issue. Nancy Pelosi tore up her copy of this address on national television.
    – Feb 9, NYC holds Chinatown parade with assurances of no danger from the mayor
    – Feb 23, 1st evidence of community transfer within U.S.
    – Feb 24, Pelosi says to shop more: “‘Come to Chinatown … come join us”
    – Feb 25, Mardi Gras was held with few people sounding warnings
    – Feb 26, Pence takes over task force, daily briefings begin.
    – March 1, just 42 confirmed cases in U.S.
    – March 3, NYC mayor encourages New Yorkers to go to the movies.
    – March 5, NYC mayor rides the subway to assure people it is safe to do so.
    – March 11, WHO acknowledged a pandemic scale virus on March 11

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Sean
  67. @Gilad Atzmon

    I’ll bet the Chinese have done the research, and know. Like so, so, so many others, they will keep their powder dry, and seek revenge when the US has its defenses down.

    • Replies: @Wally
  68. Druid55 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Another zio creeps out of her rat-hole! Sick of you and your filthy kind!

  69. Druid55 says:
    @A123

    Truth never emanates from a zio- firster like you

  70. Aqualung says:
    @Anonymous

    There is no patient zero because this virus was discovered NOT manufactured.

  71. The Type B appeared to be around 99% focused on Chinese (as was SARS), with no foreigners or Caucasians infected in Wuhan.

    In a thesis on Biological Weapons by Leonard Horowitz and Zygmunt Dembek, they stated that clear signs of a genetically-engineered bio-warfare agent were (1) a disease caused by an uncommon (unusual, rare, or unique) agent, with (2) lack of an epidemiological explanation, i.e. no clear idea of source; (3) An “unusual manifestation and/or geographic distribution”, such as race-specificity; and (4) “multiple sources” of infection. This case has all four, and qualifies eminently as deserving criminal investigation.

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/chemical-and-biological-weapons-the-us-government-waged-a-war-against-its-own-citizens/5709255

    Medical Aspects of Biological Warfare; https://repository.netecweb.org/items/show/325

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/russian-appraisal-china-coronavirus/5703761

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/chinas-new-coronavirus-an-examination-of-the-facts/5701662

    • Replies: @Agent76
    , @Iris
  72. refl says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    Dear Mr Atzmon,
    my believe is that we are dealing with some very different sort of criminality.
    It has been proven that the death tolls are being tampered with, with doctors being urged to reassign death from pneumonia and influenza to covid 19.

    The motive by now should be clear. The corona affair has reached such a level of damage that sizable death tolls have to be found, while on the whole seasonal mortality is low, even in the so called hot spots.
    The whole talk about bio weapons in my view is standard psyop, in that it creates the onion layers of wrong leads. At the same time, it is absolutely possible that Israel uses corona as a screen for targeted assassinations in Iran with some bio warfare agent.

    And then you write this:

    Treating the Corona virus outbreak as a crime ought to include a visit by the FBI to the office of the National Institute of Health and a careful review of all the files related to American laboratories conducting GOF experiments with Coronavirus.

    Seeing the track record of the FBI, do you really think that they would come to any conclusion that would help us to get at the truth?
    As I see it, it is certainly far better to theorize with an open mind and question the corona narrative from its very foundation.
    Israel is certainly far better still at psyop then at bio warfare. If hysteria had been created to produce a fog under which to push a whole set of agendas, Israel would also be a prime suspect.

    • Thanks: Theophrastus
    • Replies: @Gilad Atzmon
  73. @John C. Woods

    Are you the author of that? I notice that is your first comment.

    I’ll admit that is an exciting read til about three-quarters of the way through if you don’t know when it was written. And I hadn’t paid attention to that when I started. It was written March 23rd.

    But when the author starts making apocalyptic predictions that have not come true in the last 7 weeks…I don’t know, the whole thing just falls apart. I’m sure some of it is true, we’ll never find out.

  74. @Alfred

    Haha. Are you new here or something? I think he gets that. There is a reason it is written like that. Does it need explaining?

  75. @Gilad Atzmon

    Weird. Cuz it kinda looks like ALL you are doing is engaging in speculation.

    Like, what is this? Would you at least admit you are stirring the pot?

    “Some claim that G5 radiation is at the core of the new epidemic. I do not have any intention nor am in any position to comment on the topic, however…”

    I get, I get it, it’s funny. You are funny.

    Wash your hands. Be well.

  76. refl says:
    @animalogic

    9/11, (& the anthrax side show, serving the same narrative) MH 17, the Skripnals, the Syria chemical WMD barrel bomb attack, & so on. Who could entertain, never mind trust, any kind of Western “investigation” ?

    I would add Aids into this list, and in doing so we realize how deep false narratives can really go.
    While I absolutely urge everyone to take sexually transmissible diseases very serious, the thesis that Aids does not exist has merit:
    – nothing is left today of the famous lethality that was claimed in the early stages.
    – those famous New York Art scene victims lead a life of extreme sexual practices and drugs and made themselves victims of doctors who treated them with extremely poisonous, untested medication
    – the huge infection rates in Afrika are fairytale, because the victims are never properly tested
    – with a regular sex life, infection risk is low, while there are many sexually transmissible diseases around that you should stay away from in any case
    – evidently, to this day, noone has really seen the virus
    – for anyone who has died of Aids the proof is the death certificate, while the real disease might be something quite different. As Aids is acompanied with stigma and shame to a unique extend, it is next to impossible to get to the real cause of death.

    – and the prime argument: Aids set the ball rolling for the gay agenda, which today is pervading western society.

    I only hope that Corona will not be allowed to become that big, because then mental sanity in our society might be lost once and for all.

  77. @Anonymous

    If it is a bio-agent, and if there is “a” (i.e. 1) patient-zero and not multiple, due to multiple, simultaneous releases of the agent in different locations.

  78. Nuncle says:
    @Robert Dolan

    Not quite true. What people were told in the ’80s was that HIV could spread to the straight population by means of bisexuals. This doesn’t strike me as an unreasonable position to take.

  79. Nuncle says:
    @dogbumbreath

    I only found this information out today and am still quite shocked. It’s hard to imagine a legitimate reason for this.

  80. @KO

    In this superficial world, if you have 100 billion dollars, you can be an expert on anything that suits your fancy.

  81. @Giraffehead

    I agree with your main point … we know little about nature and even less about the many inspects on this planet .. however, the sentence you quoted from my text is presented in my original text within the context of the current scientific hopelessness… it is very possible that we have been misdiagnosing the corona virus as pneumonia for a while, it is also possible that the virus has been evolving in a natural and normal manner but we just didn’t notice it.. however.. there is no doubt that medical science is perplexed at the moment and I , on my part , believe that it will be perplexed for a while and the best way forward is a criminal investigation.

    . Re your final point .. like many others I am a believer in herd immunity.. I contend that being in the world may entail accepting being part of nature and living with viruses…I explore those views in my recent articles on this site..

    • Replies: @sally
  82. @Alfred

    Continue to the next paragraph and you will get what you asked for …

  83. @Gilad Atzmon

    Oh Gilad stop with the Agatha Christie who dun it.
    You are name dropping Mossad!!! Bio warfare !!to get all the Zio Conspiracy going and covering yourself by saying it was an accident.
    It came from a Chinese wet market under gross in sanitary conditions leading to a Zoonic contagion is my guess. Why? Because it is obvious.
    You want people to know that Israel is engaged in Bio warfare research, because they are diabolical and deeply evil Jews brewing the plague because let’s face it that’s what Jews do after drinking children’s blood and selling organs.
    Isn’t that your hypothesis? It’s Jews we are talking about. Your audience hates Jews.

    • Replies: @Gilad Atzmon
  84. Courier With Coronavirus Samples Crashes On I-195 In Massachusetts

    The reason why Fort Detrich is as leaky as a sieve is because all those in charge of bio-warfare “research” want it to happen.

    To paraphrase Gutle Schnaper Rothschild:

    “If my sons did not want viral plagues then there would be none”.

  85. Antares says:

    The people who spread this virus, if it happened that way, would in the worst case suffer from a flu. In the meantime they have vilified China, stolen trillions, locked up the natives (including the Gilets Jaunes) and put the Palestinians under complete control.

    And who jumped onto the panic train?
    – WHO was founded to get us vaccinated,
    – The press makes a billion,
    – Politicians see complete power handed over to them for free,
    – The medics wil receive higher budgets next year,
    – Democrats found another way to pummel Donald Trump,
    – The FED can blow up the American economy even worse than in 2008.

    Everyone with some power combined with the wrong intentions has a compelling reason to go along with this fear hoax.

  86. @Sasha

    Unless, of course, the Chinese have physical evidence and witnesses which, given their public challenge to the US, is likely.

    • Replies: @Erebus
  87. Renoman says:

    It will be like 911, most will not care enough to look or will believe the MSM story, everyone with a brain will know it’s true and no one will have the investigative power to ratify it.

  88. @Gilad Atzmon

    The response from all Western nations was very lax and laid back, while the response from China was a military lockdown almost as if they knew it was more than just a “flu”.

    I like your idea of a criminal investigation, but it would only work if the FBI investigated China as the source of the virus and the Chinese investigated America as the source. Would either country give unfettered access to the other nation’s investigators? I think not.

    • Replies: @Gilad Atzmon
  89. @John C. Woods

    Is banning Covid testing for two months after the WHO red notice and refusing to release details of America’s Patient Zero an analog of guilty demeanor?

  90. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    Covid 19 most likely came from some lab, whether in Israel or the USA is not known at this time, but here’s some hints:

    Israeli Scientists Claim It’s ‘Pure Luck’ They Were Already Working On A COVID-19 Vaccine Prior To The Outbreak

    “Let’s call it pure luck,” he said. “We decided to choose coronavirus as a model for our system just as a proof of concept for our technology.”

    https://christiansfortruth.com/israeli-scientists-claim-its-pure-luck-they-were-already-working-on-a-covid-19-vaccine-prior-to-the-outbreak/

    Hmm, several trillion viruses on the planet and Israel just happened to be experimenting with Covid? Wouldn’t be the first time our special ally has been caught making bioweapons:

    In 1998 Israeli Jews were caught developing ethnic bioweapons

    The “ethno-bomb” program is based at Israel’s Nes Tziyona research facility. Scientists are trying to use viruses and bacteria to alter DNA inside living cells and attack only those cells bearing Arabic genes.

    https://www.wired.com/1998/11/israels-ethnic-weapon/

    Guess it’s anti-Semitic to think that our special ally, that savagely attacked the USS Liberty in international waters, murdering 34 Americans and wounding 141, even going so far as to machine gun survivors trying to escape in life boats, would let loose some kind of weaponized virus.
    Just because Israel used its assets to blow up that Marines barracks in Lebanon in 1983, in an effort to drag the USA into their invasion of Lebanon, doesn’t mean anything.

    Then there’s 9/11, that has Israeli fingerprints all over the crime scene, and like the USS Liberty attack, they’ve been lying about what happened ever since.

    There was the video of Israeli Rabbi Shalom Arush gloating about how the Corona is for us Goyim, no Jews need fear this virus, but that got taken down. Wonder why?

    President Trump can make all this go away, all he has to do is to bomb Iran.

    • Thanks: Iris, Omegabooks
    • Replies: @Been_there_done_that
  91. @A123

    Do you have any idea how China operates? As a matter of fact, after studying them for 60 years, I do.

    Party members believe they are above the law. Party members are above the law in the same way as USN admirals are above the law: not only must the observe civil law–which sets a lower bound on public behavior–they must observe the officers’ military code, which is much tougher.

    Petty graft is found everywhere. Like you’d know. China’s government is the most trusted on earth because it’s the most honest. If you doubt that look at the results: by next summer there will be more drug addicts, suicides and executions, more homeless, poor, hungry and imprisoned people in America than in China. So much for The lying Chinese government.

    • Thanks: Ann Nonny Mouse
    • LOL: A123
  92. Irishtrad says:

    5g bullshit theory from Atzmon, shame!

  93. dimples says:
    @Anon

    ” The US quit bioweapons research in the 70’s, ”

    What was the anthrax all about then, just some ancient stuff taken out of the freezer and reheated? Or was it purchased from the Russians!

  94. dimples says:

    If the elites do what is normal for the elites, then the Official Narrative will remain that the virus is a naturally occurring bat disease that went from bat->man, oops hope I don’t get charged with a copyright violation there. People who think the virus is a gain of function research monster that escaped will be treated as conspiracy theorists.

    But, if the scientific evidence becomes overwhelming that the virus is bio-engineered human creation, this will be the first time a classic conspiracy theory will have been proven correct in the wild. This will create an enormous change in the masses perception of how the elites go about their business. The effect would be the same, for example, as if UFOs were overwhelmingly proven to exist. A paradigm shift would occur.

    Would the culprits be apprehended, as Mr Atzmon wishes? Highly unlikely I would suspect. The coverup would be massive and ongoing. It may not be the most important aspect of any paradigm shift to identify the exact culprits in any case.

    • Replies: @dimples
  95. Bob says:
    @unit472

    This is ground-zero of whatever facts are analyzed with respect to guilt/responsibility. Not providing the virus to other countries early on while also falsely denying known human-to-human transmission until January 20th were deliberate acts and cannot be reconstructed as “gross negligence” or even “callous disregard.”

    • Replies: @skrik
  96. annamaria says:
    @A123

    Poor quetching zionist. Why do your brethren prefer NYC to Israel?

    Your Singers, Adelsons, Epsteins, Wexlers, Lauders, and other Schumers don’t want to live with Hasidim and the supremacist scum of Schneerson’s followers. So much for the Jewish State of collaborators with self-proclaimed neo-nazi in Kaganat of Nuland (former Ukraine). https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/rights-groups-demand-israel-stop-arming-neo-nazis-in-the-ukraine-1.6248727
    Your obnoxious lot has never been able to create a distinct civilization but only a fungus.

    As for zionism of the 21st century, the worst of the worst have united into a ziocon plague made of the walking cadavers of Cheney, Blairs, Clintons, Obama, Trump, Rumsfeld, and ghastly founders of PNAC (dreaming of Amalek): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century

    The Wars for Israel have this prominent victim: https://consortiumnews.com/2020/04/12/assange-partner-speaks-out-after-threat-from-judge/

    A legitimate question:

    Dirty rotten British establishment. Why is Assange in jail and NOT Ghislaine Maxwell????

    Why, “A123?” Do you know why the courageous journalist is in jail in the thoroughly zionized UK, but the procuress of teens for wealthy pedophiles is free to wander, and her property is protected in the UK? The Friends of Israel indeed have a lot of power in the UK, and you surely know the secret of Ghislaine Maxwell’s success.

  97. sally says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    Few virus have no pattern of evolution.. but none I know of have a pattern of instant and universal evolution.
    and this link suggest the orgin is already known.. ==> https://www.globalresearch.ca/chemical-and-biological-weapons-the-us-government-waged-a-war-against-its-own-citizens/5709255

    The substance of the subject matter is extremely valuable to me because its data component suggest I may be on a correct course that the real effect of Covid 19 is that it is modifying molecular components of the entire respiration, vascular circulation and distribution program (and system)…==>

    [ the RVD system keeps the body oxygenated and the Carbon and other Dioxides at acceptable levels begins when gas is expired from the lungs, and new gas (air containing 02) is inhaled to the lung, where upon the gas in the lung (02) is exchanged for the Molecular bound C02.. and where that 02 in the newly inspired air is bound to the blood for transport and circulation and distribution by a vascular network that traverses the tissues, organs and other body parts [exchanged (blood 02 for tissue C02) and continued by vascular piping back to the lung where the high content C02 is exchanged and transformed into gas in the lung, and expired; and where 02 gas is transferred to the blood for transport in the next program cycle. .. ] <== what the data is beginning to suggest is there is a molecular or atomic element of the molecules involved in the processes used by the program that has been modified. . The system is no longer dysfunctional due to cytokine immune response issues, but the objects of the transfer processes themselves have been modified. Over and over again I hear from Physicians and survivor patients that entire systemic capacity of survivor physiology has been reduced.

    • Thanks: Parfois1
  98. This hospital is so “overwhelmed” that dozens of doctors and nurses can dance around the halls for another TiKTok video. WTFU Sheeple

    • Replies: @Just Passing Through
  99. @Irishtrad

    You buy into the “virus” and deny the dangers of 5G. Unreal

    The launch of 5G will be similar to turning on your microwave, opening its door, and leaving it on for the rest of your life. There’s a good reason why hundreds of scientists are taking action against the wireless industry.

    https://www.gaia.com/article/5g-health-risks-the-war-between-technology-and-human-beings

    • Replies: @Seraphim
    , @Black Picard
  100. Seraphim says:
    @Johnny Walker Read

    Slow down on the ‘Red Walker’. It affects the brain more than the 5G.

    • Replies: @Johnny Walker Read
  101. Richard B says:
    @Trinity

    September 11th, 2001 Terror Attack: Thousands of Lives Lost

    October 3rd, 2008 Financial Attack: Millions of Lives Ruined

    January 20th, 2020 Pandemic Attack: Billions of Lives Effected

    Same fingerprints. Same beneficiaries.

    And those are just the three big ones so far in the first 20 years of the 21st century.

    Talk about a progressive disease. They truly just can not help themselves.

    Of course, before and during the above list came decades of relentless Propaganda Attacks on the very people who were targeted.

    A better example of victim-blaming would be impossible to imagine.

    One such propaganda attack came from the bowels Harvard University from a fake professor, a real charlatan, and now, happily, an ex-person – Noel Ignatiev.

    One of his more well known deposits was,

    “Treason against Whiteness is loyalty to humanity.”

    This is what Whites* got for allowing Jews into their country, ie; they got the monster that is now eating them alive and whole, Jewish Supremacy Inc.

    Or, how about this one from Europe.

    “Sex with refugess is jazmine-scented and beautiful.”

    Whites no more owe Jews anything than the Chinese owe Whites or any other group. Thereby making JSI’s accusation of antisemitism proof of their moral insanity (and moral imbecility).

    In their anxiety to destroy the White race JSI could end up destroying the world. It very well may be.

    Woe unto them if their many Frankenstein Proxies figure this out and unite with Whites to crush them forever. Anything’s possible. That it might not be probable is of no consequence.

    Because, when people get desperate they act on possibilities, not probabilities.

    That being the case, now that JSI has pushed the entire human race between the sword and the wall, in their typically obnoxious and irritating lust for Full Spectrum Dominance, how much longer before their words are turned on them?

    How much longer before we begin to hear things like

    Treason against Jewish Supremacy Inc. is loyalty to humanity

    Or,

    Antisemitism Is Jazmin-scented and Beautiful

    Or, more simply

    Antisemtism = Love

    ?

    The answer to that question is that it’s already happening.

    *Sorry E. Michael Jones. But Whites exist.

    If we’re being attacked as Whites we get to identify as Whites.

    But, nice try.

    • Agree: Black Picard
    • Replies: @annamaria
  102. @obwandiyag

    You’re probably right, but you fail to realize that there has been a great deal of collaboration between virologists from the US, China, and other countries on research into genetically modifying and weaponizing coronaviruses. So while “the usual suspects” are considered such for very good reasons, it is still possible the virus escaped from a Chinese lab. (And even if it did, it could well have been a US-manufactured virus. See Francis Boyle.)

    The timeline would, however, suggest Ft. Detrick as the initial source of the outbreak at the end of last summer. Whether by accident or design.

    And I agree with you in abhorring the “blacks bad” brigade on this website, but the site is much more than that. To Mr Unz’s credit, he has picked up some very fine writers from the dissident far left who were recently kicked off the political-correctness pseudo-left bandwagon: CJ Hopkins, Linh Dinh, Gilad Atzmon, Michael Hudson, Mike Whitney and others. They are the main reason I visit this site.

  103. @Trinity

    You shouldn’t conflate the Holocaust and the Holodomor. You ignore the essential difference, the Holodomor actually happened.

    • Agree: Miro23, Prajna
  104. Richard B says:
    @lloyd

    Oy vey. The same knee-jerk denial.

  105. Richard B says:
    @Sasha

    But again, who would do that? Certainly none of the people, agencies, or institutions who are involved. It’s a bleak picture.

    We need to overcome the idea that

    1. the hostile elite is invincible and

    2. this problem is insuperable.

    From the perspective of the hostile elite the #1 justification of anti-host population hate propaganda and corresponding censorship is exactly because the hostile elite knows full well that not everyone is infected with the virus of Learned Helplessness.

    Not everyone thinks like a Battered Wife or Abused Child, or suffers from Stockholm Syndrome.

    It’s like expecting the prime suspects to do a thorough, impartial and unbiased investigation that may lead to their own culpability. (and if Israel is involved – forget it)

    It may very well be true that the probability of the host population rising up against the hostile elite is low. It’s also irrelevant.

    When people get desperate they act on possibilities, not probabilities.

    And the host population is still in a position to do a lot of damage.

    Bluntly, not everyone in the world is prepared to die so that Jewish Supremacy Inc. can enjoy Full Spectrum Dominance.

    A point well worth keeping in mind now that everyone knows the worst is yet to come.

    • Agree: Sasha
  106. A123 says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    And what if our clever ppl in Israel or the USA or Britain or France, or Russia identified a leak, an accident, an emerging lethal contagious mutant and then spread the virus as far as they can from ‘home’ or from the location of the accident? I really do not want to engage in these speculations that are by all means conspiratorial…

    You say that you do not want to engage in speculation:
    — Immediately after you speculate
    — In a paper that demands investigation of speculation
    Your position is less than logically consistent.

    Without a conspiracy to spread the virus we come back to the only two “non-conspiracy” options:

    -1- WUHAN-19 originated in the Wuhan “Wet Markets”
    -2- WUHAN-19 escaped from the Wuhan Bioweapon Virus Laboratory

    Again, I would like to see China’s culpability criminally investigated. However, there is no reason to believe that the CCP will allow an honest look at the facts.
    _____

    You are behaving like you have Trump Derangement Syndrome [TDS].

    Trying to obscure China’s responsibility for WUHAN-19 is a key Globalist tactic to keep their Open Border, unlimited migration theology going. Trump’s Populist concepts of National Security and Manufacturing Self Sufficiency are anathema to your Globalist creed.

    PEACE 😷

    • Troll: Prajna
    • Replies: @annamaria
  107. It’s a hoax, viral plandemic and a crime scene . Trump originally called the Coronavirus a “hoax” and had to walk it back and then was forced to accept Fauci ,as a spokesperson.Fauci has substantial ties with the Gates Foundation and other financial interests with “big pharma” . Also Fauci has been accused of pushing the untested AZT during the hysteria over HIV/AIDS , AZT killed and harmed many users before it was withdrawn .
    James Fetzer has described “How to create a fake pandemic “ jamesfetzer.org :
    “To start a fake pandemic we need a virus…Something with a scary or cool -sounding name . The media will love talking about it…Once you find the right virus , it’s time for propaganda…So you’ll have an ordinary virus , spreading at an ordinary rate , but you will tell people it’s extraordinary…”
    Jim Fetzer’s explanation of the Coronavirus planned-demic is borne out by an analysis of the deaths in Italy , allegedly from COVID-19 (the seasonal flu by another name) . The average age of those dying in Italy was 79.5 years and 99% of them had an underlying condition such as diabetes , high blood pressure or heart disease .See: “Want to defeat COVID-19? Address diabetes and hypertension” articles.mercola.com
    Now we need to identify the criminals behind the crime.Cui bono?

    • Agree: Johnny Walker Read
    • Replies: @KO
  108. How do you punish a country the size of China?

    • Replies: @David riskanalyst
  109. @Irishtrad

    We need to subject our bodies, and particularly our gonads, to even more harmful radiation as if will all be worth it for the joy of having your Reddit page load 10 milliseconds faster.

  110. annamaria says:
    @Richard B

    The exceptional nation: https://www.globalresearch.ca/chemical-and-biological-weapons-the-us-government-waged-a-war-against-its-own-citizens/5709255

    These human research programs were funded by the US government and performed mostly through the CIA and the military, but with full cooperation from most major universities and hospitals. They were highly secretive, their existence undiscovered until after many years of operation. Faced with court orders to release the records, the CIA and military instead destroyed most of the documents, a few records surviving only by filing and communication errors, the available evidence covering only a minuscule portion of the violations and atrocities committed.

    A sample:

    From 1960 until 1971, Dr. Eugene Saenger, a radiologist at the University of Cincinnati, exposed poor and mostly black patients to whole body radiation. They were not asked to sign consent forms, nor were they told the Pentagon funded the study. Patients were exposed, in the period of one hour, to the equivalent of about 20,000 x-rays worth of radiation. Most of the patients died, but Dr. Saenger recently received a gold medal for “career achievements” from the Radiological Society of North America.

    Another one:

    Lauretta Bender was a neuropsychiatrist at Bellevue Hospital in the 1940s and early 1950s who pioneered electroshock therapy on small children who inevitably regressed into violent and catatonic states, most ending dead or in prison. Bender later expanded her treatments to include LSD and, in spite of her inhuman brutality, the NYT published a glowing obituary when she died – as it did for the many dozens of such persons.

    The boss:

    Allen Welsh Dulles (1893 – 1969) was an American diplomat and lawyer who became the first civilian Director of Central Intelligence (DCI), and its longest-serving director to date. As head of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) during the early Cold War, he oversaw the 1953 Iranian coup d’état, the 1954 Guatemalan coup d’état, the Lockheed U-2 aircraft program, the Project MKUltra mind control program and the Bay of Pigs Invasion. He was dismissed by John F. Kennedy over the latter fiasco.

    Dulles was one of the members of the Warren Commission investigating the assassination of John F. Kennedy. Between his stints of government service, Dulles was a corporate lawyer and partner at Sullivan & Cromwell. His older brother, John Foster Dulles, was the Secretary of State during the Eisenhower Administration and is the namesake of Dulles Airport.

    “David Talbot’s damning accusations include the allegation that Dulles was behind the Kennedy assassination.” https://www.thedailybeast.com/did-cia-director-allen-dulles-order-the-hit-on-jfk

    • Replies: @Richard B
    , @Nosquat Loquat
  111. @Johnny Walker Read

    This is the biggest pysops in history since the Holocaust scam. And Unz, the “alternative media section” is not even looking into this angle and spreading the same panic as MSM.

    This is just a slightly more deadly flu that is being cynically exploited by the power elites for their own sinister purposes, mostly to get bailouts.

    Look at Belarus which has refused to lockdown, the president there just recommended vodka and hard work on the farm (blood and soil much?), and that country is not collapsing.

    More people will die from the economic ramifications of this lockdown than would have died from the virus, and this isn’t even taking into account the fact that those that we will save are useless eaters and those that will die from despair will be young and healthy.

  112. Coronavirus is one of the biggest scamdemics ever pulled off on America, to see the truth , go to davidicke.com and thetruthseeker.co.uk and henrymakow.com.

    This is a zionist promoted New World Order/One World Government ran in conjunction with the UN Agenda 21 and 2030, these satanists are out in the open with their coronavirus to install hell on earth.

  113. Celt1 says:
    @Gian

    In alternative media interviews in Germany and Austria several doctors have stated that they are instructed to put the Covid 19 label on every health problem. They say that this is a political crises not a health crises. Also, Senator Scott Jensen from Minnesota, a family physician, said in an interview that he received a directive from the Minnesota Health Dept. that death certificates are to be filled out w. Covid 19, whether the person actually died from it or not. How many State Agencies have done this around the USA?
    Laurence Solomon wrote an article published in Huffington Post: “Don’t Believe Everything About Flu Deaths”, dated 3/26/2014. It explains how the CDC created a “7Step Recipe for Generating Interest and Demand for a flu vaccine.” They created a mass market for the flu vaccine by using the media to panic the public. The obedient media obliged.
    So here we are with a brand new flu like condition, a panic broadcast 24/7, a lock down of humanity, and Bill Gates looking to control the whole agenda by vaccinating and providing “electronic certificates” to everyone who has been obedient and got the new vaccine.

    • Agree: 9/11 inside job
    • Replies: @Ann Nonny Mouse
  114. psk says:

    While investigation the NIH be sure and look in to the $100 million donated by bill gates

  115. I would find this even remotely plausible if it were a bacterium or even a DNA virus, not a constantly mutating RNA Coronavirus. Atzmon mentions the Mossad attempt to murder Meshaal in 1997, but that involves an antidote the zionazis provided after their war criminals were captured. Viruses have no “antidote”. Poisons do.

    • Agree: lavoisier
  116. Well… A criminal investigation is an interesting suggestion, but we’d have to first investigate why biological weapons labs are allowed to exist at all… There are National and International laws against the use of biological weapons, but NONE of these laws are being enforced by civilian populations or legal “BAR” associations. Why is that?

    The suggestion that the FBI be called to investigate the COVID-19 “pandemic”, would be about as functional as the 9/11 Commission’s investigation of why building 7 collapsed into it’s own footprint in less than 10 seconds… Jus’ sayin’…

    • Replies: @annamaria
  117. Anonymous[290] • Disclaimer says:
    @Erebus

    China has been very careful over decades to make sure FDI in China matches their foreign holdings, especially of FDI originating in the US vs their holdings of USTs.

    Good…. But what about Chinese owned assets in the West? All of those expensive houses and development projects could be confiscated in retaliation. After this, the score card looks like:

    American government: winner
    American companies: loser
    Chinese government: winner
    Chinese citizens: loser

    Now it starts to look more plausible again

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
    , @Erebus
  118. Tucker says:
    @A123

    I have a few comments to offer regarding this claim:

    “-B- Want exclusive control of countermeasures. One nation/side would have a cure and the target would have to capitulate to obtain it. WUHAN-19 can be mitigated or cured by a combo treatment of CQ/AZ/ZN, inexpensive generics that are widely available. This is not consistent with weaponization.”

    This seems to assume that there is some sort of major capitulation “demand” or “objective” in existence, but fails to even hint at what that might be. And, the fact that this coronavirus pandemic is not restricted to only one or two nations – but, seems to have reportedly spread across the entire world tends to let the air out of this idea of it being an effort to get some nation to ‘capitulate’.

    I would submit that a far more likely scenario and objective was to cause the global-wide disruptions. societal turmoil, fear and desperation and the economic calamities that we see unfolding across the world. And, of course, the creation of many opportunities to profiteer off the sales of CQ/AZ/ZN and the ventilators and PPE items – not to mention the crashing of the stock markets and the buying opportunities that creates for wealthy and well connected billionaires.

    In addition, we are seeing our diabolically evil, certainly psychopathic elitist rulers now trying to take maximum advantage of this pandemic to strip the citizens of their nations of their freedoms and liberties and to capitalize on the fear that they have deliberately fomented as justification for passage of massive surveillance, monitoring, and tracking laws – and the greasy little tyrant Fauci is even calling for every American to be forced to get tested and carry a special ‘card’ on their persons that says the government gives them ‘permission’ to go back to work.

    https://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/white-house-uses-covid-19-as-a-reason-to-create-a-real-time-national-coronavirus-surveillance-system_04102020

    Then there is also the push to force every American to get a mandatory vaccine, which is already raising the exact right kind of suspicions:

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/will-the-gates-who-cdc-cabal-sneak-an-anti-fertility-drug-in-their-covid-19-vaccine/

    If anyone is not up to speed on this subject, here is a refresher from 2013:

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/eliseknutsen/2013/01/28/israel-foribly-injected-african-immigrant-women-with-birth-control/

    I think that our criminal ruling elite class are greatly exaggerating the death tolls by crediting coronavirus for every death that occurs, even when the death was the result of some other health condition. Hospitals are incentivized to do this because they receive additional stimulus funding if they can report ‘death from coronavirus’. Plus, this helps accelerate the fear mongering factor and makes Americans more willing to give up their freedoms and accept new, Soviet-style totalitarianism and Police State expansion.

  119. @Fran Taubman

    I am afraid that no one is taking the bat story seriously anymore ,, certainly not in your beloved israel…… try to find something slightly less innovative. Meanwhile I will give you a formula to work with. The originator of a given virus is the population that proves to be less vulnerable to that virus,… Historians and virologists believe that the Spanish flu originated in China because Chinese were pretty immune to the virus by the time it broke out around the world. Accordingly, if China , bats and the wet market were the origin of cv19 , as some Zionist and neocons still insist, the Chinese would be the last to die, they would be pretty immune.

    But here is a serious problem I struggle with. In israel the fatality ratio is the best in the world (fatalities/virus carriers),,, we are talking about 0.01… I will be delighted to hear your musings on the above,,,

  120. Good article. Investigate everybody.

    • Thanks: Gilad Atzmon
  121. Wally says:
    @Wally

    Found another one on Dr. ‘Hillary Clinton supporter’ Fauci:

    – Feb 16, Dr. Fauci says “Risk of coronavirus in USA is ‘minuscule’; skip mask and wash hands”

    • Replies: @Wally
  122. @Greg Bacon

    Then there’s 9/11, that has Israeli fingerprints all over the crime scene…

    How about starting to designate this terrible mass murder in a manner more befitting of its impact? Certainly that date was more significant than that of a Super Bowl game or the production year of a Hollywood movie. The following symmetric symbolism conveys more information:

    ((( IX–XI )))

  123. Yee says:

    Anon[375] ,

    “military bio-labs are funded by the Department of Defense to research epidemiology and pathology.”

    Yeah, right… And the contributions of all those noble work have been….?

    Serveral epidemic outbreaks in the past few decades, including 3 coronavirus outbreaks in 17 years, 2 in China, 1 in Middleast…

  124. Richard B says:
    @annamaria

    Thank you so much for providing the links and helping to prove my point.

    Happily, there are more and more of us every day capable of positively identifying

    “The real owners of this country.”

    Or, as I like to put it, Who needs a Conspiracy Theory when you have The Unz Review?

  125. annamaria says:
    @A123

    You are pathetic.
    https://www.techtimes.com/articles/248721/20200410/coronavirus-has-three-distinct-strains-according-to-study-us-suffering-from-original-variation.htm

    Covid Type A, the parent phenotype of Types B and C, did not originate in China. It originated in the USA and is by far the predominant strain here. See “Coronavirus Has THREE Distinct Strains, According to Study; US Suffering From Original Variation.”

    Guess you being accustomed to holo-schema racket, want more scumming schemes. Sorry, but your Series of Unfortunate Events in Palestine made Jews at large into villains. The sympathy date for holobiz claimants has expired.

    Meanwhile, in the US, the ADL (created in memory of a rapist and murderer Leo Frank) wants reparations: https://russia-insider.com/en/adl-and-other-jewish-ngos-loot-small-business-bailout-while-americans-get-shafted-ftn-podcast-0

    Congress set aside $349 billion for small businesses in the $2 trillion stimulus bill. The ADL and other Jewish groups demanded their own $60 billion carve-out.

    By the way, where is Ghislaine Maxwell?

    • LOL: A123
    • Replies: @A123
  126. annamaria says:
    @Paul Vonharnish

    The usual “humanitarians:” http://armswatch.com/the-pentagon-bio-weapons/?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=268e994861e07ce00ee0a8f3ec03f5706a2a8bdf-1586788530-0

    Pentagon contractors produce bio agents under diplomatic cover

    The Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) has outsourced much of the work under the military program to private companies, which are not held accountable to Congress, and which can operate more freely and move around the rule of law.

  127. Yee says:

    Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist,

    “I would find this even remotely plausible if it were a bacterium or even a DNA virus, not a constantly mutating RNA Coronavirus. ”

    The last 2 coronavirus outbreak – SARS in China, MERS in Middleast, didn’t mutate out of control. Their only problem was not contagious enough… Seems like the problem has been fixed this time.

  128. PeterMX says:

    A very interesting article and very convincing that the virus could be a criminal act. I find several things about the virus very interesting. I am surprised how it has spread to every corner of earth so fast. This is the most interesting fact, to me at least. I was also surprised how Iran became one of the m9st infected countries in the world initially. I think of Iran as one of the countries cut off from most international travel. It is not a tourist country and people don’t go there for vacation. The US, Israel and the “western” media generally revile the country. Countries that receive many international travelers are more vulnerable to the virus infecting its population. I also found it interesting how the US was one of the lesser infected countries initially and now leads the world with the number infected. Gilad’s first possible culprit. G5 radiati9on, is very interesting. I have never heard of “G5” but I assume it refers to 5th generation smartphone technology, 5G. If the virus was spread thru smartphones that could explain how the virus spread so fast to every corner of earth.

    • Replies: @DTT
  129. Agent76 says:

    Apr 11, 2020 WHO Official: It’s Time To Remove People From Their Homes & COVID Task Force Admits Inflated Numbers

    Day by day, Bill gates is revealing himself in his own words as he calls for strict lockdowns, which cannot and must not be lifted until the vast majority of the global population is vaccinated…

    Mar 31, 2020 More good news? Citizen reporters go & do what the media won’t!

    About the Event 201 exercise

    Event 201 was a 3.5-hour pandemic tabletop exercise that simulated a series of dramatic, scenario-based facilitated discussions, confronting difficult, true-to-life dilemmas associated with response to a hypothetical, but scientifically plausible, pandemic. 15 global business, government, and public health leaders were players in the simulation exercise that highlighted unresolved real-world policy and economic issues that could be solved with sufficient political will, financial investment, and attention now and in the future.

    http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/about

    • Agree: Desert Fox, Omegabooks
    • Replies: @annamaria
  130. Erebus says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    I get the same gut feel, frankly. I think the Chinese had informers at Sr Scientist levels in Ft. Detrick and elsewhere, including Winnipeg, gathering information and physical evidence. God knows the Americans can’t generate enough scientists to do hi-level work and the hapless mgrs were happy to give the job to anyone who could make the right noises. The same with the Canadian lab. It was probably the easiest infiltration in the history of espionage. Error!

    I have little doubt China knows exactly why Ft. Detrick was closed, and I likewise have little doubt that the 1 week delay between the SARS-2 genome being mapped and its publication was spent matching it against samples known to have been worked on in American bio-warfare labs.

    When the PLA took over Hubei’s public health system, fighting the virus became a military operation. Looking back on it, I think they found a match and immediately launched “The People’s War”. A slogan reflecting both the military and social aspects of what China faced. At any rate, a grim, determined wartime mentality permeated everything so the slogan worked.

    When that White House directive went out to all US officials and diplomats to start talking about SARS-2 as the “China/Wuhan Virus” at every opportunity, it looked like nothing so much as an attempt to get ahead of a impending counter narrative. When even the premier alt-media site on the net, Zerohedge chimed in with wall-to-wall Epoch Times, Gordon Chang and Kyle Bass quotes, it became patently obvious that a full court press was on with maximum urgency.

    When the spokesman for the Chinese Foreign Ministry first demanded answers, I looked for him to reprimanded and demoted. Instead, China upped the demands. That spoke volumes. Now they’ve issued a directive to their diplomats – to promote an international demand for answers. I suspect the US DoS has some embarrassing moments ahead, if such a hubris soaked entity can be embarrassed at all.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  131. Prajna says: • Website
    @lloyd

    How cum u joos label chunks of history ‘tropes’ and half of fantasy ‘history’?

    • Replies: @DaveE
  132. Alfred says:
    @A123

    70+ years of Muslim denial

    A good proportion of Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians and Egyptians are Christian. In fact, that is where Christianity started. Christ spent his youth in Egypt. There are 10 million Christians in Egypt – twice as many as the Jews in Israel.

    The continuous drone by Zionists that it is all the fault of Muslims is pure propaganda. It is a lie. The Jews in Jerusalem spit on Christian priests. Is that normal behaviour?

    You can be quite sure that the Jews have already a plan to move somewhere else when things heat up. Perhaps that is why the media won’t let go of the false Crimea story.

    Clergymen in the Armenian Church in Jerusalem say they are victims of harassment, from senior cardinals to priesthood students; when they do complain, the police don’t usually find the perpetrators

    • Replies: @A123
  133. Agent76 says:

    Apr 13, 2020 Was There Foreknowledge of the Plandemic? – Questions For Corbett

    From Event 201 to the intelligence “failures” to CEO resignations, QE4, and bioweapon research, James explores the many lines of evidence pointing to the fact that this pandemic was planned in advance.

    • Agree: Desert Fox
  134. Yee says:

    Really No Shit,

    “How do you punish a country the size of China?”

    With trade war not working, and hot war not likely to win, bio-attack seems promising…

  135. @Just Passing Through

    In China , academia, finance, military and government are more integrated that in the west. They figured out they were under attack .. they were the first to diagnose an epidemic … but they clearly couldn’t figure out what they were up against… in fact no one knows not even the state that created this mess …

  136. anon[132] • Disclaimer says:
    @Arcturus

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Thomas_Binder

    How Soviet of them to send the doctor to a mental hospital.

    We’re wasting time (just like 9/11) playing Sherlock Holmes, when we should be singularly focused on collectively getting a seat on the global council that is making the rules for the future of humanity. IMHO a lot of the sock puppets who fan up these “who did it?” threads are primarily distracting from the fact that the train of our human rights is leaving the station.

    We can always find out who did it after we push back against global police state built on willfully insufficient data. But if we waste time on ‘who did it” debates we will find ourselves in a world where dissent sends you to a mental hospital.

    We should be discussing how to organize political pressure to force the government to begin massive testing of the population to determine the actual number of infected. The actual infection rate is the number they do not want to have, since the true number would definitively cut down the hospitalization and mortality rates.

    • Replies: @Arcturus
  137. gay troll says:
    @A123

    This appears to be a hybrid event: a virus that was leaked accidentally (from Fort Detrick) spread intentionally (to scapegoat China) and intensively stage managed in the U.S. (to correlate with the controlled demolition of the economy.) Only this explains the EVALI epidemic in the U.S. last summer, cases of which exactly resembled COVID19 and could never be conclusively explained or tested for. If the release was intentional, why not place it in China directly, and skip the nonsensical EVALI cover up? The reason so many people in the U.S. think it’s a hoax or just the flu is because we are being hoaxed. The virus is real but the CDC et al are trying to make it look like it has only been here for 2 months instead of 10.

    • Agree: Tor597
    • Replies: @TrudeauSux
  138. A123 says:
    @annamaria

    Is it not amazing how the Deranged & Violent Anti-Zionists always manage to invent fiction to blame the (((Jooooz)))) despite a total lack of evidence. Linking to the work of anti-science Globalists makes your position more ludicrous.

    Blaming Jews is how George IslamoSoros enriches himself and advances Muslim aggression against innocent Infidels (e.g. Jews and Christians).

    PEACE 😷

    • Troll: Trinity
  139. geokat62 says:

    The ADL just released this very short clip to reassure the dumb goyim that “we’re all in this together”!

    • Replies: @Trinity
  140. @Priss Factor

    Since the Rothschilds own between 50 and 75 percent of Israel, maybe they should sue the Rothschilds…naturally, that isn’t gonna happen, and suing “the Chosen” will happen when Satan goes into the Lake of Fire for good. I’ll let God deal with “the Chosen.”

    Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!

  141. @A123

    to enemies of the U.S., such as China and Iran.

    You have it wrong, China and Iran are not enemies of the USA, it is the other way round. Because the USA are losing their hegemony and is downgraded by China.

  142. @A123

    I’m not falling for the bait and switch.
    You didn’t answer my question, and your answer demonstrates you have no clue. Among safety regulations are:
    – access to Level 4 Labs is restricted;
    – Hazmat suits put on in a restricted area;
    – Entrance to the Lab is through a separate restricted area;
    – Labs and procedures are designed from the perspective that mishandling will happen;
    – On exit from the Lab, people leave one by one into a disinfecting chamber, where the Hazmat suits are sprayed everywhere, until they have been disinfected;
    – On exit from the disinfecting chamber, the Hazmat suits are removed in a separate room, and the worker exits that room to shower.
    I repeat, the chance of an accidental escape, providing safety procedures are followed, are virtually nil.

    As for China, I have already stated that they are not being entirely honest, but name a government on the planet that is. I have also stated that we will likely never know the truth about what has happened. The virus may, or may not, have been intentionally released. If it was, why did a different strain appear in Italy last October before the one in Wuhan?

    I’m not patting myself on the back, but I was calling bullshit on 9-11 before the plane went down over Shanksville. This current narrative on Wuhan is just as smelly as the 9-11 narrative.

    • Agree: gay troll
    • Replies: @A123
    , @Prajna
  143. @A123

    Read The Controversy of Zion by Douglas Reed and see how the zionists have ruled America and England for over 100 years and been the provocateurs of wars and financials crisis, zionists are wreckers and destroyers of nations and humanity!

  144. Wally says:
    @lloyd

    said:
    “Oh dear. The old trope of poisoning wells.”

    – You failed to mention the impossible old trope of ‘6,000,000 Jews & gas chambers’.

    – While you’re at it please tell us why Jews have been promoting their lie / “trope” of ‘6,000,000 dead Jews’ …. since at least 1823.

    – Another “holocaust” trope which is mandated that we accept:

    “Survivor” Friedman breathed through a keyhole in a gas chamber door at Flossburg to stay alive, cursed the SS when they opened the door, then ran away.

    – Arnold Friedman, Death Was Our Destiny, Vantage Press, 1972, p.49-50

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  145. @Anon

    The US quit bioweapons research in the 70’s

    If it has, then why does the Pentagon need labs outside the US?
    http://dilyana.bg/the-pentagon-bio-weapons/

  146. Trinity says:
    @geokat62

    hahaha. Wow, what can you really say. Talk about a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

  147. Agent76 says:
    @Ayatollah Smith

    Enjoy this informative read and link.

    History of United States’ Involvement in Chemical Warfare

    The United States’ long history relating to chemical warfare stretches back to before World War I. Once chemical warfare was a battlefield reality, to protect our Military Forces on the battlefield and to ensure they had the capabilities needed to defeat our nation’s adversaries, the United States developed several research and development facilities, chemical and filling plants, proving grounds, and chemical training areas.

    https://www.denix.osd.mil/rcwmprogram/history/

  148. onebornfree says: • Website

    “A Viral Pandemic or A Crime Scene?”

    Who cares? It’s an irrelevancy at this point, and leads to wasting time on useless, endless, unprovable, time-consuming speculations about “the truth” which, most likely, will never be known by any of us “useless eaters”.

    This just in: meanwhile, the truth is staring us all in the face, and laughing. The truth is that we are slaves , and have been for a long time, but now its right out there in the open, for all except the many morons amongst us to see.

    So what does the individual to do once he quits asking “who did what, and when?” etc. , and finally groks the truth of the matter and asks him/herself : “what the fuck am I going to do now?

    There are only two generalized courses of action in this world as I see it: indirect action and direct action.

    1] Indirect action, where a person relies on and trusts another person[ or other people]to “make everything better”, by making “the right decisions”. In other words , political action taken [ie supporting/voting for a particular candidate or political party].

    This is mugs game, as anyone who has their head screwed on straight already understands, as it hardly ever produces the positive changes envisioned /fantasized by the voters, if/when their Candidate/side finally gets elected. FACT; no matter what, Governments continue to grow, and freedom continues to shrink, regardless of who is running the show.

    2] Direct action. Direct action means that the dissatisfied individual, instead of relying/ trusting others to “improve society” [ and therefor his/her own life] by voting for a political candidate/party, takes matters entirely into their own hands and takes their own steps and makes their own plans to improve their own life.

    With regards to the coronavirus plandemic, I see two courses of direct action that I’ll hint at via a couple of famous quotes. You’ll need to “read between the lines” a little in order to understand what I’m driving at.

    1] H. L. Mencken: “Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.”

    2] Philip K. Dick: “If, as it seems we are, in the process of becoming a totalitarian society in which the state apparatus is all-powerful, the ethics most important for the survival of the true, free, human individual would be: cheat, lie, evade, fake it, be elsewhere, forge documents, build improved electronic gadgets in your garage that’ll outwit the gadgets used by the authorities.”

    So what’s it going to be, Direct action choice [ 1]?, or direct action choice [2]? Or are you just going to vote for the “right” politician again? As always, the choice, dear reader, is yours.

    Regards, onebornfree
    onebornfree radio interview discussing cv-19 plandemic solutions:
    http://fakeologist.com/?powerpress_pinw=1176158-podcast

  149. E_Perez says:
    @Alfred

    This German told my dad that give a few of his “Kameraden”, he could go in there and bring out Nasser alive.

    He was not, by chance, Col. Otto Skorzeny who had rescued Mussolini from the Gran Sasso mountain in 1943?

    • Replies: @Alfred
  150. tomo says:
    @Anonymous

    I know a few Americans who think they had this back in November
    unusually bad and painful condition affecting lungs very badly

    • Replies: @neprof
    , @DoomerBoomer
  151. Iris says:
    @Ayatollah Smith

    ‘The latest coronavirus is a miracle of engineering. It’s a trojan horse wrapped up and studded with a ‘spike’ protein that allows it to invade human cells.’

    Dr Bharat Pankhania, Senior Clinical Lecturer, University of Exeter Medical School

    https://eandt.theiet.org/content/articles/2020/04/the-race-to-develop-a-coronavirus-vaccine/?utm_source=Adestra&utm_campaign=New%20EandT%20News%20-%20Automation%20FINAL%20-%20MEMBER&utm_medium=Newsletters%20-%20E%26T%20News&utm_content=E%26T%20News%20-%20Members&utm_term=969276

  152. Tess says:

    Dear Gilad,

    I remember you playing in the UK on the south coast and saw your name come up here on the post. I think you are on the right approach of this being a crime. I hear what you are listening to and taking into consideration. I have also been researching. And may have things to share.
    Please email me if you wish to discuss further
    Warm Regards
    Tess

  153. A123 says:
    @Alfred

    Let us take things in their proper order.

    How many violent Jihadi Muslim occupiers were in Palestine at the following dates:

    — 400 BC?
    — 200 BC?
    — 0 BC/AD?
    — 200 AD?
    — 400 AD?

    The correct answer is ZERO. Islam is not native to Palestine. The violent Muslim colonization and occupation of non-Muslim, Infidel lands began ~600 AD.

    The friction between Jews and Christians is created by ~1,400 years of Muslim Occupation, rooted in the theft of both Christian and Jewish land by illegal colonizers. The the first step to peace in Palestine is bringing the number of Muslims down to the proper historical population of 0%.

    Once all Muslims decolonize and return to their ancestral homelands, there will be plenty of space in Palestine for non-Arab Palestinian Jews and non-Arab Palestinian Christians to live amicably with each other.

    PEACE 😷

    • Troll: Alfred
    • Replies: @annamaria
  154. Jiminy says:

    I find it confusing every time I read another bat soup post- I think it is sending me bat sh-t crazy! How can you get a respiratory disease from eating a steaming bowl of hot soup? Sure, parasites can be passed on by ingesting poorly cooked or raw meat. The only vector that I know of that can survive a cooking process is a prion, which was found in the brain and spinal cord of afflicted cows in the UK and US. Scrapies in sheep is similar. There is Hendra virus in Australia, a bat virus that’s almost as dangerous as Ebola. A fruit bat roost in a tree in the paddock eating a mango, drops the piece of fruit and a horse eats the contaminated fruit. Days later a vet checking an unwell horse inhales mucus and several days after that you have a dead vet. I remember seeing on tv decades ago the footage of the horse autopsy done in the front yard in the Brisbane suburb of Hendra, with the trainer hosing blood down the driveway out into the gutter. But experts haven’t said that this latest virus is blood- borne, so a person preparing the bat soup and getting covered in blood should have no concerns I imagine. Especially if the virus has to firstly enter a pangolin before it enters the cook. And to end on another strange note – Australia, I believe, has more camels than the Middle East, and yet has never suffered from MERS.

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
  155. @A123

    PEACE

    Why do you write PEACE when you mean WAR with your neighbours to annex their territory?

    • Agree: Prajna
    • Replies: @Desert Fox
    , @A123
  156. schrub says:

    Is the US government still trying to stick another country (China) as being the origin of the present flu outbreak ?

    Just like it managed to stick the Spaniards as being the origin of the very deadly Spanish flu over a hundred years ago .

    Even the US Army itself now admits the Spanish flu started at Fort Riley Kansas. News of the outbreak was then heavily censored by the US government because it was thought that this news might endanger Woodrow Wilson’s headlong rush to send US soldiers to fight in World War One.

    Here is the direct evidence from the US Army that now admits the Spanish flu started in Kansas. The Army even seem to know the name of the first victim, an Army cook named Albert Gitchell.

    https://www.army.mil/article/188078/scientists_learn_history_of_spanish_flu_at_fort_riley

    Sick soldiers at Fort Riley, instead of being quarantined, were instead put on densely populated trains and then ships to be eventually sent to Europe. where they spread the virus further.

    Compare this to the heavily sanitized version of the origins of the Spanish flu outbreak from Wikipedia.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu

    Check out the curious passage in this Wikipedia article that mentions “to maintain morale”, the ultimate justification by governments to cover up malfeasance.

  157. @Gilad Atzmon

    But here is a serious problem I struggle with. In israel the fatality ratio is the best in the world (fatalities/virus carriers),,, we are talking about 0.01… I will be delighted to hear your musings on the above,,

    My musings. You can google. KSA has the fewest deaths. Africa practically unaffected. Many people think it is weather related or populations that take a lot of anti Malaria drug as it can act prophylactically against the virus. You can google this, but Israel does not have the lowest mortality rate. As for the bat story being put to bed, it is the leading theory here in the US. See below WSJ
    article.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-bats-behind-the-pandemic-11586440959?emailToken=cc776770e5fc46fb3ebfbeb054a0df28APufHeIYKqkaMGIjjFLFvyOs733yupByY2HvzbAOHr+DurVD3P9z1DGeIC1t2unoJ6whBTlfdHcgCN/IyNcStA%3D%3D&reflink=article_copyURL_share

    Then there is the theory about the low mortality rates in Israel that I am sure is your favorite.

    We are the Chosen therefore have special protection from above.!!
    Seriously your numbers about Israel and mortality are way off. Israel has 100 deaths Saudi Arabia 7.

    Continue on with glee trying to connect Covit 19 with Israel bio weapons. That is your job, that is what you live to do wrapped in some gobly gook philosophy. You main goal is to make Jews look conspiratorial and bad. What better way then to revive the black plague story. That is your favorite connect the dots is your incessant reveal of Medieval Christian myths about Jews.

    You never answered a question I posed to you a while back. What say you about the Catholic genocide for the youth of the West by the South American Drug cartels? 70 thousand Americans die each year from Opioid purchases form drug cartels. A Catholic conspiracy of untold death and destruction.

  158. @Olivier1973

    Zionists invert everything, its in their DNA, war is peace and freed0m is slavery and ignorance is strength, ie George Orwell, the zionists are wreckers and destroyers of nations.

    • Replies: @Trinity
    , @A123
  159. DaveE says:
    @Prajna

    How cum u joos label chunks of history ‘tropes’ and half of fantasy ‘history’?

    (((They))) caught a virus about 2,700 years ago which is genetically transmitted. It has an extremely long incubation period, with symptoms that increase linearly (not exponentially) with time. These symptoms include, but are not limited to:

    1.) Constant, relentless lying
    2.) Inability to tell the truth or differentiate between observed facts and tribally – induced hysteria
    3.) Observable panic and fear when confronted by facts which contradict contrived narrative, leading to increased 1.)

    “An honest man, when confronted with facts that contradict his long-held beliefs, ceases to believe. Other men, when confronted with such facts, cease to be honest.” —- Mark Twain

    • Thanks: Prajna
    • LOL: Meimou
  160. @gay troll

    …and kill 22000+ Americans??? LOL You really are gay!

  161. melpol says:

    Thousands of Alchemists are still in practice. Some have updated their concoctions to include dangerous microbes. Alchemists are now in touch with electronic microscopes and gene splicing kits. Nineteen mixtures of HIV, SARS, and various STDs could have produced COVIS-19. Brews can be extremely deadly if in the hands of an evil Brewmaster.

  162. vot tak says:
    @onebornfree

    Another webscammer promoting his money making website that advocates asocial behaviours the zionazi-gays can, and will, use to their advantage. Gee, what a surprise.

    BTW, the name gives the game away. 😀

  163. @onebornfree

    I am not capable of building “improved electronic gadgets” in my garage , so I am leaning towards direct action except , with my back against the wall and not wishing to shed blood , I could be persuaded to “cheat,lie,evade,fake it,be elsewhere , forge documents” and like my friend start growing potatoes in my backyard. I am an avid tennis player but my town has chained all their public courts shut , I never thought I would have to carry a bolt cutter in my tennis bag.

  164. A123 says:
    @Olivier1973

    Why do you write PEACE when you mean WAR with your neighbours to annex their territory?

    Why are you against a fair peace?

    Instead you advocate for occupation and colonization. Violent rabble rousers like yourself make peace sadly difficult.

    PEACE 😷

    • Replies: @Olivier1973
  165. Trinity says:
    @Desert Fox

    (((Emanuel Goldstein))) was CONTROLLED OPPOSITION. haha. Was Orwell trying to tell us something?

    • Replies: @lavoisier
  166. Trinity says:

    Is (((Bill Gates))) an official member of the tribe or is he a crypto? I don’t think (((Wikipedia))) listed him as being a Jew. I had brought up that Bill Gates was Jewish on another thread and a poster stated that Gates wasn’t Jewish. I even wonder about the “Italian” Dr. Fauci, I had thought, well we have another Jew taking a Gentile sounding surname ala Mike Wallace or Jon Stewart. Dr. Fauci sure as hell looks Jewish.

  167. A123 says:
    @Curmudgeon

    I repeat, the chance of an accidental escape, providing safety procedures are followed, are virtually nil.

    I do not necessarily disagree with you. You said the most important thing:

    …providing safety procedures are followed

    There are many incentives in Chinese culture and work practices to neglect Safety Procedures. If you want to say that WUHAN-19 escaped from the Wuhan Bioweapon Virus Laboratory because of procedural negligence, I will accept that instead of an accident.
    _____

    Let us look at the Chinese Navy for a recent & highly visible failure to follow safety procedure: (1)

    Black smoke has been seen billowing from China’s first assault carrier in Shanghai. …

    Images suggest that the fire took hold within the hull of the ship, possibly in the expansive aircraft hanger. Smoke came out of the open aircraft lift near the front of the island superstructure.

    PEACE 😷
    _______

    (1) https://www.forbes.com/sites/hisutton/2020/04/11/brand-new-chinese-aircraft-carrier-catches-fire/

    • Troll: vot tak
    • Replies: @Herald
  168. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/12/world/middleeast/coronavirus-israel-mossad.html#commentsContainer
    But in early February
    Israel’s biggest hospital, realized that they needed more ventilators and other gear. And met with Mr. Cohen, the Mossad chief,
    One recipient of the Mossad’s imports said some had come from China, where Israel’s Defense Ministry also helped secure medical equipment through a network usually used to buy weapons.
    One of the people knowledgeable about the failures said Mossad emissaries had been outmaneuvered at least once in Germany, where government couriers seized goods the Israelis were about to ship home from a factory. Another time, a load of sanitizer in India was delayed by customs officers and the Mossad abandoned the shipment.
    Israel’s Channel 12 TV newsmagazine, that in some instances, the agency had acquired items that other countries had already ordered.

  169. @Trinity

    Some members of the WASP elite are known to become ingrained within the Jewish community and become “honorary Jews”. This is what Kevin MacDonald talks about in Culture of Critique where Gentile intellectuals started taking on Jewish mannerisms to fit in with the dominant group.

  170. Prajna says: • Website
    @Curmudgeon

    I say, old fellow, I hate to but in because the zioshill needs a thorough slapping, but I suspect that it was only biosec level 2. The genome looks remarkably similar to a pseudo virus they developed in, I seem to recall, 2017 and the reason they like to play with psuedoviruses is because they can do that in biosec level 2 labs because, they claim, splicing genes into an HIV backbone makes it less likely to revert to the deadly and highly contagious ‘wild type’ viruses.

  171. @Trinity

    Gates is a satanist and a pedophile, he had been on Epsteins plane many times!

    • Replies: @Trinity
  172. melpol says:

    The CRISPR-Cas9 system can edit and splice genes. It is also capable of introducing a deadly virus. Only China and the US possess that system. But its technology has been leaked to a people hating billionaire. Setting up a secret CRISPR-Cas9 system lab on a college campus can be affordable. Only a few trusted employees will know its evil intent. Labs on college campuses must be made transparent, most are only creating METH.

  173. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Sasha

    I think the paper you cite has been withdrawn from publication and had not undergone thorough peer review.

    Why it was withdrawn may be of potential interest.

  174. A123 says:
    @Desert Fox

    Zionists invert everything, its in their DNA, war is peace and freed0m is slavery and ignorance is strength, ie George Orwell, the zionists are wreckers and destroyers of nations.

    Let me fix that for you:

    Muslims invert everything, its in their Jihadi DNA; war is peace; freedom is slavery; ignorance is strength, and; Infidels must be Exerminated, ie George Orwell. Islamists are wreckers and destroyers of nations.

    PEACE 😷
    _______

    P.S. al’Hamas is a front for Iran

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
    , @anon
  175. Trinity says:
    @Desert Fox

    Speaking of (((Epstein))) and lifestyles of the sick and depraved. You have to wonder about the timing of this plandemic as well. I mean good ole Epstein and his royal cronies are all but forgotten about now. Not that the (((media))) was really looking to expose this Mossad honey pot, but the Kosher Crud plandemic has all but put the final nail in the Epstein coffin. I guess it is safe to assume that Ghislane Maxwell will never be apprehended or questioned for her role in acquiring girls for Epstein and even allegedly participating in molesting these girls according to one of the alleged victims.

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @Desert Fox
    , @annamaria
  176. Shaman911 says:

    The Chinese Medical definition of “Wuhan” is (A TREMBLING CHILL). This is a World Masonic operation. In Numerology “Corona Virus is a 11” “Wuhan Virus is also a 11”. Then you have Convid-19 which is a 5. But 1 and 9 are part of the title. The Astrology (planet movements) over Wuhan the day this was announced is spot on for an event like this. Read these, it will explain what the future for the next 6 to 7 years is going to be like. Forward these to you friends. This is from 2 years ago and makes a vivid statement for whats happening and coming. https://graycrawford.net/2018/05/14/uranus-in-taurus/ then https://graycrawford.net/2020/04/02/ceres-at-the-crossroads-of-civilization/ and https://graycrawford.net/2020/03/22/saturn-in-aquarius/

  177. @A123

    You did not fix anything and HAMAS is a Mossad front, do some research.

    • Agree: Olivier1973
    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
    , @A123
  178. @onebornfree

    This event has demonstrated that the people the world over are sheep who only do what they’re told and are ready to conform to the prevailing standards of ordained “normality”. If you had been walking around with a mask and gloves and staying well clear of people before this emergency was declared they’d have all been laughing at you and calling you crazy, although there are dangerous germs around whether the government tells you so or not, yet now they’re doing all that and think you’re crazy if you don’t follow the government issued rules.

    Nothing will come of any revolution or revolt with people like these. Perhaps one can seek one’s personal revenge like an anarchist, however without an organisation one is hardly going to get to those higher up that really deserve to pay for all the wrongs. Or maybe just a chimpout riot by enraged mobs destroying everything in sight. I’d be surprised if anything more can come out of these bipeds with some gray matter in their skulls to challenge the global order. Still I hope for more from them.

  179. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:
    @A123

    174 is for the kleptoparasites .

  180. geokat62 says:
    @Trinity

    Dr. Fauci sure as hell looks Jewish.

    Just did a google translate on the word Fauci. Guess what came back?

    “Jaws”

    Can I buy a vowel? lol

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  181. The River : A Journey to the Source of HIV and AIDS …

    Remains one of the best researched medical stories of an unknown cause or source in my view.

  182. Herald says:
    @Fran Taubman

    What say you about the Catholic genocide for the youth of the West by the South American Drug cartels? 70 thousand Americans die each year from Opioid purchases form drug cartels. A Catholic conspiracy of untold death and destruction.

    Funny that, as it indicates that the CIA must be Catholic enterprise.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  183. @KO

    Well said. I agree completely.

  184. KO says:
    @9/11 inside job

    I thought AZT saved lives. I have two friends who were in hospital near death when they received AZT. Their VL dropped and they improved significantly, which gave them time to live until newer meds appeared. Until recently, AZT was still the first med administered to those with high VL’s.

    • Replies: @9/11 inside job
  185. Meimou says:
    @unit472

    Global opinion is not going to go down every possible rabbit hole looking for a source when the observed outbreak has a name and location. Wuhan, China. Despite China’s best efforts to muddy the water the world is not about to forgive or forget the Chinese efforts to cover-up and mislead the world about the novel CHINA virus.

    You should change your handle to unit8200

    Senator Tom Cotton’s damning declaration that China banned ALL domestic flights out of Wuhan but not international flights is a FACT China is going to have to explain and I wish them luck in doing so.

    Fun observation: The chinadidit people don’t seen to be in a hurry to prosecute the CEO and politicians who dumped their stock because if their advanced knowledge.

    Why not?

    • Replies: @Trinity
  186. @Desert Fox

    For Jews “fixing” something means lying.

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  187. A123 says:
    @Desert Fox

    HAMAS is a Mossad front

    Thank you for helping me prove my point.

    — I stated a true fact “al’Hamas is a front for Iran”.
    — Desert Fox then went 100% Islam inversion and attempted to deny obvious reality.

    This is a perfect example of how Muslims try to invert everything. Their belief system is so corrupt & weak that they must pit Christians against Jews to have any hope of victory. Fortunately, Islamic deception is inept and obvious.

    PEACE 😷

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Olivier1973
  188. Meimou says:
    @Just Passing Through

    Is Unz the only one responsible for what gets published here? If so I believe he is deliberately suppressing anti CV19 hoax articles.

  189. Trinity says:
    @Meimou

    “the chinadidit people.” lolol. LOVE IT.

  190. @geokat62

    “…Dr. Fauci sure as hell looks Jewish…”

    You might say that about many Italians, but the difference is that Italians as non-Semites have straight noses. See this picture of Fauci :

    https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/BB12wVU8.img?h=0&w=720&m=6&q=60&u=t&o=f&l=f&x=859&y=309

  191. lloyd says: • Website
    @lloyd

    I’m sorry to upset you chaps. I was trying to be subtle. We live in dangerous times.

  192. Meimou says:
    @A123

    Is it not amazing how the Deranged & Violent Anti-Zionists always manage to invent fiction to blame the (((Jooooz)))) despite a total lack of evidence. Linking to the work of anti-science Globalists makes your position more ludicrous.

    Blaming Jews is how George IslamoSoros enriches himself and advances Muslim aggression against innocent Infidels (e.g. Jews and Christians).

    Is it not amazing how the Deranged & Violent Anti Chicoms always manage to invent fiction to blame the (((Chinese)))) despite a total lack of evidence. Linking to the work of Globalist/and or Zionist media makes your position more ludicrous.

    Blaming China is how George Zionist Soros enriches himself and advances Jewish aggression against innocent Christians.

    • LOL: A123
  193. @Trinity

    Agree, In my opinion Epstein is alive and in Israel and AG Barr helped him exit the ZUS.

  194. @Fran Taubman

    How “Catholic” are those South American drug cartels?

    For Jews their identity is not only religious but also (if not mainly) ethnic. An atheist Jew still feels ethnically Jewish. Jewish criminals may not be religious, but they still identify ethnically as Jews and they often commit their crimes with an eye on “what is good for Jews”.

    BTW, have you heard about the Jewish Sackler family responsible for the Opioid Crisis in America? “Drug cartel” Jewish style!

    • Replies: @Assad al-islam
  195. ricpic says:

    The ChiComs are a criminal gang. Everything they DO is a crime.

  196. Wally says:
    @Wally

    And another:

    – March 9, Fauci told the country it was perfectly safe for healthy Americans to take a cruise and to hold campaign rallies.

  197. annamaria says:
    @Agent76

    “Event 201 was a 3.5-hour pandemic tabletop exercise simulated a series of dramatic, scenario-based facilitated discussions…”

    Nevertheless, despite the “dramatic discussions,” Mr. Gates’s fabulous wealth and Mr. Fauci’s supposed expertise, the US has suffered the infamy of receiving the vitally needed “planeload of supplies and personal protection equipment” from Russia.

    Mr. Summers, a mastermind of the deindustrialization of the US (accomplished by financial squids and voracious CEOs) had wondered publicly why the US was not able to provide the most basic protective gear, such as masks. Guess, the masks are so technologically advanced that only Chinese and Russians can produce this kind of Personal Protective Equipment.

    What we witness today re covid-19 is a display of either stunning incompetence of the US government, at all levels, or malicious intent of profiteers-in-waiting (see Gates and Fauci), or both.

    “Dr. Fauci is a member of the Leadership Council at the Gates Foundation. The Leadership Council is comprised of the WHO, UNICEF and NIAID”

    Could be considered a rhetorical question but isn’t this an obvious conflict of interest? The Gates Foundation, among other things, is a vehicle for massive profiteering for the largest pharmaceutical companies in the world. Fauci is supposed to be a public servant. … In what way is it a vehicle for massive profiteering? Who has profited from their work, and how much?

    https://nationalfile.com/president-trump-vs-bill-gates-on-treatment-fauci-has-a-100-million-conflict-of-interest/

    Gates has a multi-million dollar relationship with Dr. Fauci, and Fauci originally took the Gates line supporting vaccines and casting doubt on Chloroquine.

    Coronavirus response team member Dr. Deborah Birx, appointed by former president Obama to serve as United States Global AIDS Coordinator, also sits on the board of a group that has received billions from Gates’ foundation, and Birx reportedly used a disputed Bill Gates-funded model for the White Houses’ Coronavirus effort.

    Fauci should be condemned for the dereliction of duty: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Fauci

    Anthony Stephen Fauci has served as the Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) since 1984.

    Under his ‘leadership,’ the country has been left completely unprepared for any epidemics.
    Perhaps Mr. Fauci was too busy with making the proper connections to ensure his financial well-being.

    • Replies: @Agent76
    , @Prajna
  198. Wally says:
    @obwandiyag

    You may find this example of your beloved Chinese ‘keeping their powder dry’ interesting:

    Chinese Racism & Xenophobia: Chinese City Bans Black People from Hotels, Apartments, Restaurants: https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2020/04/13/coronavirus-racism-chinese-city-bans-black-people-from-hotels-apartments-restaurants/

    • Replies: @Erebus
  199. lloyd says: • Website
    @Gilad Atzmon

    In New Zealand, the fatality rate is around half of Israel. Five to this date and over a thousand tested infections. All five cases are elderly people. New Zealand went into lock down relatively earlier than any other country. The hospitals were emptied in preparation for an influx of cases which thankfully hasn’t happened. As Boris Johnson said, without the hospital care he would have died. What exactly is the definition of Israel in this diagnosis?

    • Replies: @Alfred
  200. annamaria says:
    @Trinity

    The zionized UK government, as well as the zionized US government, prefer to imprison decent people. Exhibit One is the courageous whistleblower Julian Assange.
    https://consortiumnews.com/2020/04/12/assange-partner-speaks-out-after-threat-from-judge/

    The sadistic war-profiteers of Blair-Cheney-Clinton kind are plain psychopaths. That the Roman Catholic Church has not excommunicated the Blairs already is a stinky stain on the RCC reputation.

  201. Art says:

    Just thinking.

    It would seem that with the whole biological scientific world, looking at the coronavirus cell itself – that its makeup and evolution would be known. That science would know definitively, if it where man-made or that it has biologically evolved.

    Hmm – there is nothing in the media – how can this total ignorance be? Are we not being told for a reason? Is the answer to devastating to a country, and to world order – to be made public?

    Hmm?

  202. @KO

    I had heard that there was some controversy over Fauci’s role in the treatment of HIV/AIDS and came across the following article : “AIDS and the AZT scandal-the story of AZT, one of the most toxic, expensive and controversial drugs in history ” spin.com :
    “The scientific facts about AZT and AIDS are indeed astonishing .Most ironically the drug has been found to accelerate the very process it was said to prevent : the loss of T-4 cells ”
    Also see: “Tale of AIDS fight exposes politics of big science”mccall.com

  203. @Priss Factor

    Judaism is a religion of hate. Don’t expect any compassion, especially when dealing with goys…

    This is the mindset you’re up against: “I am beyond the jurisdiction of any angel or judge in heaven,” – Rabbi Shimon bar Yochai

    • Replies: @Art
    , @David riskanalyst
  204. Agent76 says:
    @annamaria

    You are all over it! This covers allot of bases in this presentation as well. Thanks for your comment and time Annamaria!

    Apr 13, 2020 Was There Foreknowledge of the Plandemic? – Questions For Corbett

    From Event 201 to the intelligence “failures” to CEO resignations, QE4, and bioweapon research, James explores the many lines of evidence pointing to the fact that this pandemic was planned in advance.

  205. Thank you, Gilad, this definitely needs to be kept at the forefront.

    To treat this pandemic as a crime scene until we find out for sure where it comes from is basic detective work. Even if we never find the smoking gun doesn’t mean we should not try.

  206. annamaria says:
    @A123

    This is your blood cousin Ishmael. It would be nice if you have your family feuds solved without the forced involvement of western civilization.
    An old lecher exiling a young mother of his small child together with the child. Jewish ethics at its best.

    • Thanks: Assad al-islam
    • Replies: @A123
  207. Courtesy of mercola.com , the Italian medical authorities have released the results of their analysis of the alleged fatalities from COVID-19 in Italy :
    Average age of death : 79.5
    99% of the fatalities had underlying medical conditions, such as hypertension, diabetes and heart disease . I am sure that an analysis of US fatalities will show an average of death in the 70’s with the same underlying medical conditions as those dying in Italy. Apparently fatalities during the Coronavirus plandemic will be no worse, perhaps even less , than during a normal flu season. The economy and people’s lives have been ruined because of this faked plandemic but , like 9/11, the perps will escape justice.

    • Agree: Hempus
  208. Neoconned says:

    Any competent cop would list the various US military members and their entourages who attended the Wuhan military games as the main suspects…..though more than likely they were just “vector vessels” for covid19 rather than homicidal actors intent on releasing a bioweapon.

    Find out if any have any contact with CIA/DIA/Deep State neocon elements who we all know were the likely originators of this shit….

  209. @Herald

    Whoever is doing it is Christian not Jewish. It is a terrible thing.

    • Replies: @Truth3
  210. @Franklin Ryckaert

    BTW, have you heard about the Jewish Sackler family responsible for the Opioid Crisis in America? “Drug cartel” Jewish style!

    The Rolling Stones – Sympathy For The Devil

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  211. A123 says:
    @annamaria

    It would be nice if you have your family feuds solved without the forced involvement of western civilization.

    As a Christian, on behalf of Western civilization… Please take your obscene, vile, and disgusting Islam back to the East. Those of us from the West do not want anything to do with your paedophilia.

    Remember Mohammed Raped Aisha when she was nine.

    Muslim ethics at their best.

    PEACE 😷
    _______

  212. Prajna says: • Website
    @annamaria

    I’ve used my 3 reaction points so Thanks.

  213. @Gilad Atzmon

    Historians and virologists believe that the Spanish flu originated in China because Chinese were pretty immune to the virus by the time it broke out around the world

    Au contraire mon frère! That is the old propaganda version of his-story. The “Spanish flu” was due to an experimental vaccine given to soldiers stationed at Ft. Riley, Kansas. These soldiers were then sent over seas where they spread the illness..

    More soldiers died during WWI from disease than from bullets.
    The pandemic was not flu. An estimated 95% (or higher) of the deaths were caused by bacterial pneumonia, not influenza/a virus.
    The pandemic was not Spanish. The first cases of bacterial pneumonia in 1918 trace back to a military base in Fort Riley, Kansas.
    From January 21 – June 4, 1918, an experimental bacterial meningitis vaccine cultured in horses by the Rockefeller Institute for Medical Research in New York was injected into soldiers at Fort Riley.
    During the remainder of 1918 as those soldiers – often living and traveling under poor sanitary conditions – were sent to Europe to fight, they spread bacteria at every stop between Kansas and the frontline trenches in France.
    One study describes soldiers “with active infections (who) were aerosolizing the bacteria that colonized their noses and throats, while others—often, in the same “breathing spaces”—were profoundly susceptible to invasion of and rapid spread through their lungs by their own or others’ colonizing bacteria.” (1)
    The “Spanish Flu” attacked healthy people in their prime. Bacterial pneumonia attacks people in their prime. Flu attacks the young, old and immunocompromised.
    When WW1 ended on November 11, 1918, soldiers returned to their home countries and colonial outposts, spreading the killer bacterial pneumonia worldwide.
    During WW1, the Rockefeller Institute also sent the antimeningococcic serum to England, France, Belgium, Italy and other countries, helping spread the epidemic worldwide.

    https://vaccineimpact.com/2018/did-military-experimental-vaccine-in-1918-kill-50-100-million-people-blamed-as-spanish-flu/

    • Replies: @David riskanalyst
  214. Arcturus says:
    @anon

    Very well put.

    Pushing for the test they claim they do have to be massively applied is the best path: either we will get real data, as you state, or the lack of a reliable test will be another illusion uncovered.

    (BTW, Binder is out but don’t know details yet, and it seems a lawyer in Heidelberg just received similar or worse treatment.)

  215. @A123

    You are a poor hate filled Anti-Semite. It is time to change your moniker to O’Hara before you lose your mind.

    • LOL: A123
  216. Trinity says:

    chinadidit is the new dindu nuffin for you know (((who)))

  217. Hempus says:

    Oxygen deprivation? Is that a symptom?
    This doctors are not even able to understand how breathing functions.

    The right description looks more like this people cannot open their lungs any more or breathlessness!
    But hello, how do we open the lungs? Its not by the lungs itself. The lung is not a muscle.
    We have those muscles to open the lungs in the chest….and those muscle have the problem and not a lousy virus in the pulmonary system.

    Of course if you cannot open the lungs anymore you have a Oxygen deprivation.

    This whole SARS COVID-2 causes breathing blockage theory is a big swindle / SHOCKING lie from BIG Pharma and depopulation POPE BILL GATES to help his chosen friends to orchestrate the SAMSON option without using the nukes.
    Bill GATES was on the Lolita express…

    This “weaponized” Virus theory is like the Saudi Passport found in the rubble of 9/11

    Get an electro shock to know how a shock works. You will have probably a deadly muscle cramp. A positive covid-19 test is a soft shock….and for old people with health preconditions enough to finally collapse. Its a powerful negative placebo!

    Instead to put this poor people on the respiratory ventilator someone should wash them to get rid of the static electromagnetic energy which contracts and soreness those breathing muscles.

    Italy has so wonderful Islands with sulfur bath’s …Iscia, Vulcano… take this old people there and soak them for a while in those muds…give them massage afterwards without gloves. Give them the last oiling massage / the anointing of the sick. Give them a dignified dead ceremonial.

    Of course Big pharma and WHO cannot get Billions of research money if you cure the people like that.
    Btw….how much money they got for Aids…this is like the money spend on “the war on terror”
    And now trillions for the WAR ON DEATH

    Dear Donald, you need now 666 D or the JACKPOT will be only for the chosen people and there will be no return.

  218. annamaria says:
    @A123

    You did not read my post carefully, so I repost it:

    This is in response to your pseudo-righteous battle cry “to see China’s culpability criminally investigated.” https://www.techtimes.com/articles/248721/20200410/coronavirus-has-three-distinct-strains-according-to-study-us-suffering-from-original-variation.htm

    Covid Type A, the parent phenotype of Types B and C, did not originate in China. It originated in the USA and is by far the predominant strain here. See “Coronavirus Has THREE Distinct Strains, According to Study; US Suffering From Original Variation.”

    Israel wants more reparations to compensate for the “incomparable” Jewish sufferings — from Poland, from Arab states, from China… The holobiz parasites have become accustomed to holo-schema racket.
    You believe that listing the Jewish State’s crimes against humanity in Palestine is antisemitic. Many people disagree with you.
    I also asked you about the whereabouts of Ghislaine Maxwell. Was it also antisemitic? If yes, why?

  219. Rdm says:
    @Priss Factor

    Couldn’t agree more.

    Anyone with a slice of brain can figure out the death toll across global scale was all voodoo science.

    Origin of COVID-19 – Wuhan China

    Suddenly Italy was the second highest in terms of death rate in Europe. If this is a weaponized virus, CCP can easily designate which country to target in the first place. Zero patient would be a suicide bomber. But sending zero patient to Italy? Is CCP afraid of Ferrari taking over Cherry QQ in their home market?

    Then we have Iran as another highest death rate in middle east. It’s sporadic across the globe.

  220. Art says:
    @Daniel Rich

    This is the mindset you’re up against: “I am beyond the jurisdiction of any angel or judge in heaven,” – Rabbi Shimon bar Yochai

    The Jews know angles.

    The Passover angles that killed Egyptian children are the forerunners of the IDF snipper angles who kill Palestinian children today — somethings never change.

    p.s. The IDF angles are the most moral army in the world – ask them!

    • Replies: @Art
  221. Crapology says:

    When it’s time for the investigators (real investigators with integrity like the ICC Prosecutor, not whitewash agents like FBI) to round up the usual suspects, the first batch of suspects must include the weasels who planted that bullshit OPSEC article in the Lancet,

    https://anthraxvaccine.blogspot.com/2020/04/why-are-some-of-us-top-scientists.html

  222. annamaria says:
    @A123

    You are a self-proclaimed zionist, therefore, you have badly mistaken by considering yourself as a westerner. Your heart is in the Middle East, in the Jewish State, and you should better move there, along with other dual-citizens who actually have only one loyalty – to the fable of eternal Jewish victimhood. See the ongoing Wars for Israel.

    Moreover, it was not prudent on your part to remind the readers about Epstein’s saga, particularly about the procurement of minors for pedophiles by certain Ghislaine Maxwell. https://www.mintpressnews.com/mega-group-maxwells-mossad-spy-story-jeffrey-epstein-scandal/261172/

    And since you find that even mentioning the ADL is antisemitic, here is a great article on Leo Frank, the ADL’s hero. Read and learn: https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-adl-in-american-society/

    • Agree: FLgeezer
  223. @Assad al-islam

    The Sacklers make oxycontin, they do not make Fentanyl or the other drugs heroine and other drugs

    • Replies: @Assad al-islam
  224. Iris says:
    @A123

    Fortunately, Islamic deception is inept and obvious.

    We trust your judgement: you are the expert.

    • LOL: ChuckOrloski
  225. Sorry, guys, but having worked in molecular biology and cell signaling for 30+ years I must say that I do not believe in artificial construction of this virus. Not because the US or Israeli military would have any scruples – they won’t, no crime is too vile for them. Simply because we don’t know enough to improve on coronavirus, or any virus or bacteria, for that matter, that we can to make it more infectious or more pathogenic. I can believe that some bioweapons lab isolated this virus from nature and spread it, but I cannot believe that it purposely made it. We just don’t know enough for that.

    • Agree: Hempus
    • Disagree: utu
    • Thanks: annamaria
    • Replies: @utu
    , @Iris
  226. @Erebus

    Agreed. IF the Chinese have physical evidence they must still figure out how to release it without incriminating themselves.

    In the meantime, they’re juicing up this story: Coronavirus mutated into three distinct strains as it spread across the world. Richard Hartley-Parkinson Friday 10 Apr 2020 8:15 am. https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/10/coronavirus-mutated-three-distinct-strains-spread-across-world-12536852/

    And this video series: Peter Forster, a geneticist at the University of #Cambridge, has identified three distinct strains of COVID-19. Forster and his team traced the origins of the epidemic by analyzing 160 genomes from human patients and found that the strain in #Wuhan mutated from an earlier version.

    • Thanks: Olivier1973
  227. Anon[275] • Disclaimer says:

    If it’s a conspiracy, it seems to kill pretty much only those with a pre-existing health condition. So the implication is that it was created by a Chinese lab scientist who was a health freak who wanted to kill of the world’s unhealthy people, the fat slobs, the diabetics, etc. The sight of fat people must have really grossed him out.

    If someone believes the Chinese created a bioweapon, then why should the virus have attacked the Chinese? Wuhan was an own goal if there ever was one.

    If someone believe the US did it, well, it’s attacking us now. Funny that, a virus having a way of spreading! Who would ever have heard of such a thing? Surely not a medical researcher who works to create virus bioweapons!

    Nah. It’s a bat virus that got loose from its bat host. Flappity-flap, it got us. Such is life.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
    , @Herald
  228. @A123

    Why are you against a fair peace?

    I have nothing against a “fair peace”. That is for Israel to stop occupying land which does not belong to Israel. And to stop killing people. You are aware of target assassinations by Israel, don’t you? Otherwise read Bergman.

    Instead you advocate for occupation and colonization.

    Just the opposite. I advocate for the end of the occupation and colonisation of the occupied territories.

    Violent rabble rousers like yourself make peace sadly difficult.

    No argument. Strawman fallacy.

  229. @Anonymous

    American government: winner

    Define “winner“, given that the primary buyer of US debt will sit on its hands at every auction thereafter.

    The US was schooled by Japan in the late 1980s when there was a kerfuffle involving some major Japanese firms: the message was be nice to your main creditors.

    It started when executives from Hitachi and Mistubishi were indicted for conspiracy to steal IBM’s IP – NYT p1, June 23, 1982. Over subsequent years the US indicted a bunch of people from other major firms. There were subsequent lawsuits for anti-competitive practices, and in general the US was seen as being in a ‘Trade War’ with Japan.

    During this whole time, Japan was the major acquirer of US debt. At every US bond auction, the Japanese would snap up some decent proportion the moment bids opened.

    At one Treasury auction after Matsushita lost an appeal in the US Supreme Court (Matsushita v. Zenith Radio Corp., 475 U.S. 574 [1986]), Japan sat on its hands – and so did everybody else (because they figured that the Nips knew something that wasn’t public).

    I forget precisely what additional rate the US had to pay to get the issue done, but from memory it added around 50bps.

    Once the Japs had done their ‘shot across the bow’ the US trade negotiations restarted – the Japanese government had no strong desire to do lasting damage to the US’ role as global economic hegemon. So they let the US government have the final scene … when the US imposed tariffs on Japan in 1987.

    That’s why credit markets know that the US – in hock to China (and still Japan) up to its eyeballs – will never seriously rattle China’s cage. China will be permit the US to do ‘son et lumière‘ for mouth-breather ExceptionalistTV (e.g., ‘freedom of navigation’ runs through the South China Sea), but if shit goes seriously sideways America’s access to capital markets gets hurt – there being no other country that has sufficient external goods surplus to fund the capital-account purchases required to absorb US debt issue.

    The US standard of living is critically dependent on the US government’s access to international capital – which means it’s critically dependent on Chinese (and Japanese) demand for US debt. If the Fed had to monetise everything, they would lose control of the yield curve within a month, and mortgage rates would hit 10% within 6 months.

    • Replies: @Olivier1973
  230. @Seraphim

    Be sure to have the installers put a 5G box right outside your bedroom window for best results.
    Cheers !!

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  231. @unit472

    What if Wuhan with its biolab and 5G and dirty air was chosen for cover by an outsider as ground zero for its attack on China? Why have the CDC briefings taken place in a SCIF with limited access controls and Top Secret clearance required?

    If the US attacked China with our troops releasing the virus during the fall military games, access to that info would only be discussed in a SCIF.

    Why the SCIF for the CDC briefings? There would be few to none state or local officials with that level of clearance and even if there were such people no in federal employment they couldn’t be counted upon to leak no classified info when talking to press or just talking on cellphone to friends or family.

    Why that level of secrecy which is higher than Top Secret?

  232. @A123

    You proved nothing.

    https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/

    Obvious reality: who were the first terrorists (and who are in need of other terrorists to expand territorialy)?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre

    See how it is working:

    This is a perfect example of how Israelis try to invert everything. Their belief system is so corrupt & weak that they must pit Christians (Bush, Obama, Trump, Macron, May) against Muslims to have any hope of victory. Fortunately, Israeli deception is inept and obvious.

  233. @Kratoklastes

    If the Fed had to monetise everything, they would lose control of the yield curve within a month, and mortgage rates would hit 10% within 6 months.

    My dream!

  234. @Fran Taubman

    The Sacklers make oxycontin, they do not make Fentanyl or the other drugs heroine and other drugs

    Salam Sister,

    You need to step up against EVIL. No matters who commits the Evil, we need to call them out. Each soul is responsible for what it earns. God is JUST and any soul which does good, will be rewarded as He created us all, and He is not Choosy. Love, hate, fear, prejudice are all creation, everything we see around us is creation, and Creator cannot be creation. Even the Quran is created too!

    So is Jesus, created too!

    God is Greater!

    • Troll: Seraphim
  235. Heidi says:

    Foreign Policy Magazine revealed three weeks ago that the Corona virus’ early appearance in Iran that sickened government and military leaders caused some Iranian officials to believe that the Coronavirus was part of an ‘American-Zionist biofare military campaign’ against their republic and its leaders.

    Chatham House (NATO-UK):

    The recent expulsion of Médecins Sans Frontières from Iran highlights the mix of paranoia and resistance culture still on display.

    https://www.chathamhouse.org/expert/comment/covid-19-and-iranian-shadows-war

    See also:

    Luxembourg court officially turns down US request to seize Iranian assets

    Presstv.ir

    Le petit médecin français (il était en Iran dans les années 90):

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @Hempus
  236. @Wally

    Wally, a special TrumpTroll.

    Wally, is J.R.R. Tolkien’s incarnate Troll, 2020.

    Slow on the uptake, Troll Wally’s confusticate boast, “Trump in a Landslide, 2020.”😅

    Poor Wally, he thinks he owns Gilad Baggins and Hobbitburro me. 🤣

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Wally
  237. @Really No Shit

    How do you punish a country the size of China?

    By seizing funds from its bank accounts after a court might find civil liability.

  238. Art says:
    @Art

    The Passover angles that killed Egyptian children are the forerunners of the IDF snipper angles who kill Palestinian children today — somethings never change.

    p.s. The IDF angles are the most moral army in the world – ask them!

    More IDF angles at work.

    Israeli forces shoot dead Palestinian in West Bank

    Even amidst an unprecedented global pandemic, Israel’s occupation forces continue their violence against Palestinians.

    Israeli forces fatally shot a Palestinian man in the head near the entrance of the occupied West Bank village of Nilin on Sunday.

    The Israeli army claimed that Sufian Khawaja was hurling stones at vehicles when he was shot dead.

    https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/tamara-nassar/israeli-forces-shoot-dead-palestinian-west-bank

    • Replies: @Ann Nonny Mouse
  239. @Heidi

    Médecins Sans Frontières

    Come to think of it, where are Red Cross and Médecins Sans Frontières when you need them in a pandemic? They raised stink every time globohomo requested it, but when we have a true medical emergency, they are nowhere to be found. The only logical conclusion is: they are frauds without borders.

    • Agree: Robjil
    • Replies: @Frannie
  240. geokat62 says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Wally, a special TrumpTroll.

    I recommend Wally sing along to this Beatles’ tune next time he takes a shower:

    I’m looking through you,
    Where did you go?
    I thought I knew you,
    What did I know?
    You don’t look different, but you have changed.
    I’m looking through, you’re not the same

    • Replies: @Wally
  241. @David riskanalyst

    Have you visited any store in the US lately? Every piece of shit is now made in China, from clothes to light bulbs to screws and bolts. The US, because of the insatiable greed of its elites, have lost the game. Curtain.

    • Agree: annamaria
    • Replies: @geokat62
  242. bjondo says:
    @A123

    Top right indicates a MEMRI translation.

    A MEMRI translation is same as a NYTs headline.

    5 dancing shlomos

  243. Erebus says:
    @Anonymous

    Good…. But what about Chinese owned assets in the West? All of those expensive houses and development projects could be confiscated in retaliation.

    From the point of view of the Chinese govt, equally good. Most of those “expensive houses” were purchased to launder dirty money. The Chinese Govt, in most cases, would smile wryly at the natural justice of it.

    As for Chinese assets in America, the Chinese have been pulling back from buying anything for a number of years now. They’ve had a lot of help in that from Congress who’s blocked a number of large acquisitions.

    Now it starts to look more plausible again

    The “plausibility” won’t be changed by these sorts of considerations. For the US, there’s no advantage to be gained either economically or financially. Like the MADness of firing off a bunch of nukes, it would guarantee mutual damage. I believe the final ledger would ultimately show that the US lost more than China, but in the event that may be beside the point.

    An American decision to seize Chinese assets and/or to declare their UST holdings null & void would be an act of political desperation. It would bring down the global dollar system, and with that any remaining pretence to world leadership, or even significance. It would indicate that America’s elites have tossed all international and domestic considerations aside in a last ditch attempt to hold on to power on the N. American continent. It may happen one day, but we ain’t anywhere near that day yet.

  244. bjondo says:

    Go with crime(s) against mankind.

    Event 201.
    Dark Winter (See Whitney Webb series.)
    American Anthrax 2001

    Many lies and deceptions to support narrative.
    Push by a few for a vaccine which only the few want which is not needed.

    Something strange going on here.
    What it is is exactly clear. (help from Buffalo Springfield)

    5 dancing shlomos

  245. @Just Passing Through

    I’m not sure that more people will die from the economic ramifications. If they commit suicide don’t blame it on economics.

    But I’d like to know how many Americans died of all causes and none last week, and what proportion of those deaths was caused by covid19. It might be an insignificant proportion.

  246. @Celt1

    And a recipe for enforcement of the cashless society. If you buy three peanuts from me it will be forbidden to hand me the pennies, you will have to wave a card in the air from a safe distance so officials know how many I received absolutely.

  247. utu says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Gain of function of virus mutations and modifications is being conducted. What weapon labs do we do not know. But clearly the civilian research studies how the modified and new viruses have different transmission paths, different virulence on animals and human cells cultures. While I may agree with you that making viruses from scratch as designed by computer to the specified properties of the virus may not yet be possible, however using the existing animal and human viruses as a launching pad and then testing, even if by trial and error, of its properties, and selecting the desired ones is possible. Humans are very ingenious, they do not need to understand how do things work but empirically they can figure the cause and effect. Edison did that for countless trials on light bulb filaments and people invented inoculation long before there was a germ theory or knowledge of the immune system.

    Gain-of-Function Research: Background and Alternatives
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK285579/

    “The first category, which he called “gain of function research of concern,” includes the generation of viruses with properties that do not exist in nature. The now famous example he gave is the production of H5N1 influenza A viruses that are airborne-transmissible among ferrets, compared to the non-airborne transmissible wild type. ”

    “The second category deals with the generation of viruses that may be more pathogenic and/or transmissible than the wild type viruses but are still comparable to or less problematic than those existing in nature.”

    ” Finally, the third category, which is somewhere in between the two first categories, includes the generation of highly pathogenic and/or transmissible viruses in animal models that nevertheless do not appear to be a major public health concern.”

    “In Session 8 of the symposium, Dr. Ralph Baric, University of North Carolina and a member of the symposium planning committee, explained that GoF experiments for CoV research encompass a very diverse set of experiments that are critical to the development of broad-based vaccines and therapeutics.”

    Note: Baric was chief author of now famous 2015 paper coauthored with Zhengli-Li Shi of Wuhan (who is getting l0ts of media exposure recently)

    https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985

    that raised alarm and criticisms as Baric violated the moratorium on the gains function research:

    https://www.the-scientist.com/the-nutshell/moratorium-on-gain-of-function-research-36564
    In the wake of a handful of biosafety lapses at federal research facilities, the US government is temporarily halting funding for new studies aiming to give novel functions to influenza, SARS, and MERS viruses

    Lab-Made Coronavirus Triggers Debate (2015)
    https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/lab-made-coronavirus-triggers-debate-34502

    “Baric listed experiments important for the identification of determinants of pathogenesis and virulence, defined the virus-host interaction networks, and described the alleles responsible for susceptibility and the host response patterns that drive a pathogenic or protective responses.”

    “In most instances, GoF experiments looking at receptor interactions with SARS-CoV and MERS-CoV showed that in in vitro or in vivo models with a civet strain gain human ACE2 receptors but also lose the civet ACE2 receptor. “

  248. Seraphim says:
    @Anon

    Yes, the bats. There MUST be the bats. Dracula never dies, don’t you know? And the sinister Dr. Fu Manchu. Hollywood knows better.

  249. Skeptikal says:
    @Sasha

    My thought exactly:
    Cui bono?
    First name that comes to mind:
    Bill Gates.
    And related perps in the Vax mit Chips racket.

    • Agree: Sasha, Ann Nonny Mouse
  250. Seraphim says:
    @David riskanalyst

    And what if China seizes all American assets in China as a response?

    • Replies: @annamaria
  251. Skeptikal says:
    @Alfred

    Ha ha, yes, Gates.
    Go get ‘ im!
    Yo Rinty.
    Seriously, someone needs to get Gates under oath and ask some leading questions.

  252. geokat62 says:
    @AnonFromTN

    The US, because of the insatiable greed of its elites, have lost the game. Curtain.

    One minor modification and your assessment is bang on:

    The US, because of the insatiable greed of its (((elites))), have lost the game. Curtain.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  253. Erebus says:
    @Fran Taubman

    As for the bat story being put to bed, it is the leading false narrative here in the US.

    FIFY

    If Americans believe a story/theory en masse, it nowadays constitutes prima facie evidence that the logic and physical evidence points in the opposite direction.

    Such is the case with the Made in Israel & Bought in America “bat story.” The science and logic of genetics and epidemiology says the bat story has no merit. Ipso facto, it leads in America.

    • Agree: Gilad Atzmon
  254. @Gilad Atzmon

    I agree with you Mr Atzmon. I for one could care less when these commentors quote US newspapers and media as our media lies as often as they tell the truth especially when it comes to something like this virus thing.

  255. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Trinity

    Was Orwell trying to tell us something?

    George Orwell knew the score after learning about the myriad horrors perpetrated by the Jewish Bolsheviks.

    And of course he was right.

  256. Iris says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Simply because we don’t know enough to improve on coronavirus

    The Nature article discarding an engineered virus did not raise such objection, while it would have clearly much better made the case than the far-fetched, long-winded reasons the authors came up with.

    They claim that the virus could not have been engineered, not because it is impossible, but because its structure is “counter-intuitive”, as if they were able to read the minds of bio-weapon designers.

    Their article screams damage control. They may be involved in bio-warfare and know secrets you don’t, while you are an honest biologist doing useful work that actually benefits humankind.
    I think you are wrong.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9

    • Thanks: ChuckOrloski, annamaria
    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @Erebus
  257. @Art

    They want distractions like covid19 or a war so they can slaughter Palestinians while the world is distracted.

    • Replies: @Art
  258. Parfois1 says:
    @dogbumbreath

    Why not build them in the USA? Several nations are demanding the US dismantle these labs and take them home…

    That issue has already been discussed here for some time. Following a decision years ago to stop biowarfare research by US labs a few years ago, the military top brass (there are so many of those “initials” establishments I forgot which) decided to do what they normally do, go underground and offshore to avoid the prying eyes of possible audits by zealous officials (there are a few, thankfully) or potential Snowdens who go rogue and spill the beans. Same reason why Guantanamo was set up – to avoid supervision by legitimate authority.

    In addition, the top brass decided to sub-contract much research piece-meal to different research institutions (mostly universities) at home and abroad, each one given only a discrete, innocuous, field for research in such manner that only the directing mind knew the final objective, like putting the individual pieces in a jigsaw puzzle.

    That is the reason why the “Defence” establishment has dished out many research grants to heaps of biological studies (mind you, for “defensive” purposes and “identify threats”) even to … Chinese ones!

    Also note that they were also busy at collecting DNAs from all over, particularly through the secret labs (the locals are not allowed to have a peek) surrounding Russia. Even Putin himself had highlighted that “strange curiosity about the Russian DNA research”.

    • Thanks: Iris, annamaria
  259. @Just Passing Through

    It’s interesting to compare Belarus with the OK Doomer (lockdown) states once the of/with issue is less murky (and once data for comorbidities become more readily available).

    Belarus was relatively late in getting hit –
     • first case: 28 Feb;
     • first death-with: 31 Mar;

    It has a crude CFR of ~1%, but it also has a relatively low test rate (7k/Mpop) and a relatively high rate of positive tests (4.6%), so it’s largely testing symptomatic people.

    Belarus’ politicians are adamant that those 29 weer almost entirely deathly-ill to begin with.

    .

    By contrast…

    Australia has gone Full Doomer – lockdowns and what-not – and has tested twice as large a proportion of the population (14.4 tests/million); has a 1.8% positive rate, and its crude CFR is about the same as Belarus.

    As we all know, South Korea’s data was massively influenced by the Shincheonji religious group: ~40% of all cases to date were from one cluster from one church in Daegu.

    Likewise, Australia has some wrinkles in its data: 29% of Australian deaths have come directly from a single government fuckup on March 19th, when passengers from the cruise ship Ruby Princess were allowed to disembark and spread like chaff in the wind.

    Prior to that monumental fuckup Australia had had 6 deaths – average age 84yrs 8 months (call it 84).

    The first case in Australia was on January 25th – so by March 25th there had been almost 2 months of unimpeded ZOMFG EXPERNENSHUL!!! growth since 零病人 (‘Patient Zero’). [Keep March 25th in mind: it’s a key date].

    As of today there have been 61 deaths, and the average age is 77.3 (assuming that “in his 60s” = 60; “in his 70s” = 70 etc; if instead “in his X0s” is taken to mean “X2” the average age is 78).

    So there have been 55 deaths-with nation-wide since March 19th, of which 18 were passengers who got off the Ruby Princess on March 19th and were not observably ill enough to test (they only tested 13, with 3 positives). That’s wildly different from the country as a whole, and to Diamond Princess.

    How does 1 boat with 2700 people on it, who boarded on March 8th, generate basically a third of all covid19 deaths-with over the following month, in a country of 25 million people who weren’t on lockdown until 3 weeks ago?

    It simply makes no sense: nobody in Australia was in ‘lockdown’ until a week after the Ruby Princess disembarked – Victoria started a partial lockdown March 25th; and ‘full’ lockdown happened on April 4th.

    On March 25th total deaths-with stood at 9.

    On March 8 there will have been a significant pool of infectious in Australia but not on the Ruby Pricess, including asymptomatic infectious: a fuckton more than 2700.

    Those people were going about their normal lives for the time that the Ruby Princess was at sea.

    So between December 2019 and March 25th 2020 – a period where covid19 was free to expand like kudzu, with abundant travel from China in January (the portcullis being brought down on Chinks on Feb 1) – a country of 25 million people managed to get to 9 deaths.

    By contrast, a group of 2700 of those 25 million boarded a boat, sat on it for 11 days, and generated 18 deaths in less than a month.

    .

    Belarus has had a worse run since its first case: in the 46 days after its first case, Belarus has had 29 deaths; 46 days from its first case, Australia only had 5 deaths – but no lockdowns were in place.

    More to the point, Australia’s testing data shows 362,000 people tested (1.4% of population – let’s call that ‘representative’) show that 98% of the population tested negative (same as South Korea).

    We’re supposedly 4 months along the expansion path of a pathogen that has an R[0] near 2, and for 3 of those months there was no lockdown.

  260. Wally says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    – As usual low information Commie Chuckie cannot refute what I post.

    – And no doubt these will drive back him further insane:

    Donald Trump Shows Media Video of Their Reporting Failures on Coronavirus: https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/04/13/donald-trump-goes-to-war-shows-media-a-video-of-their-reporting-failures-on-coronavirus/

    Once again, Trump was right and the media were wrong: https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/03/once_again_trump_was_right_and_the_media_were_wrong.html

    Trump landslide 2020

    • Replies: @Paul C.
    , @Commentator Mike
  261. @Jiminy

    How can you get a respiratory disease from eating a steaming bowl of hot soup?

    If you have a cage filled with live bats in a crowded market, smeone is going to inhale bat-breath. The chef cuts up the bat in front of the customer like the Chinese version of Benihana. The virus infested mucous in the lungs are exposed and chopped up and gets on the kinife and is touched with fingers and cross contaminates other foods. I don’t know if the Chinese are picky eaters and if they eat bat lungs or discard it.

    • Replies: @bjondo
  262. @geokat62

    WASPs are just as greedy and guilty as those (((elites))).

    • Replies: @geokat62
  263. @Iris

    My guess is, they (or those they whitewash) isolated a number of viruses, selected the most promising one, and unleashed it at China. Being government employees, they are as shortsighted as the rest of the government and could not see two moves ahead. Now we have what we have. Not because they were super-creative, but because they were super-stupid.

  264. Wally says:
    @geokat62

    Let’s let the Beatle’s George Harrision describe Big Govt. / Big Taxes loving geokat62:

    Let me tell you how it will be
    There’s one for you, nineteen for me
    Cause I’m the taxman
    Yeah, I’m the taxman (yeah, I’m the taxman)

    Should five per cent appear too small?
    Be thankful I don’t take it all
    Cause I’m the taxman
    Yeah, I’m the taxman (yeah, I’m the taxman)

    Dimwitted geokat62 can’t refute anything I post, but he never met a Communist he didn’t adore:

    • Replies: @geokat62
  265. neprof says:
    @tomo

    My wife got a persistent dry cough in late August 2019. I got the same eightdays later. It lasted six weeks for her, eight weeks for me. It would come an go. I thought I was over it for a couple of days, then it would return for a three to five day period.

    With the sporadic fatigue, I thought I might have mono and went to my doctor to be tested. No mono said Doc, just a persistent respiratory virus.

    My wife and I workout regularly; we use to be avid long distance runners, but now in our late 50s, we run only about 15 miles/week. We never had a anything like this in terms of the slow recovery.

    Take it for what its worth but I plan to get tested when the Convid-19 antibodies when test become available.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  266. Art says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    They want distractions like covid19 or a war so they can slaughter Palestinians while the world is distracted.

    That is just fine with the Jew god of Passover – he sets the example for the Jews that killing is the way.

    Read their literature – murder and killing permeates their history and culture.

  267. @Johnny Walker Read

    Anyone interested in the dangers of 5G read the book Under an Ionized Sky : Beyond Chemtrails and Space Fence Lockdown, by Elana Freeland, her website is elanafreeland.com, the book can be had on amazon.

    Also see the site stopthecrime.net by Deborah Tavares and see her videos on her youtube channel, these are two very brave women, for as Voltaire said, it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.

    • Replies: @Paul C.
  268. Erebus says:
    @Wally

    Reading Breitbart leads to error.

    There’s a neighbourhood in Guangzhou called “Africa Town” where many small African traders live and work buying cheap mobile phones, clothing, appliances, etc to send to their networks back home. Africa Town by ‘n large ignored the mask & social distancing rules, and a pile of them tested positive. There was violence when the health police moved in.

    The authorities then decreed that all African passport holders be tested. The fact you’re missing is that white African passport holders fell under the same rules and were tested as well, so the charge of racism dilutes to insignificance.

    There is the reality that Hubei natives, and esp Wuhan residents are being discriminated against in the rest of the nation. There were impromptu blockades at the Jiangxi border when Hubei opened, and Hubei residents returning to their jobs out of province have found themselves shut out. It’s an ugly fact of human nature that plagues stigmatize the victims. Africa Town’s blacks fell under the same rubric of fear, doubtless exacerbated by their conspicuousness, but in fact so did white Africans.

    It’ll be interesting to see what NY-ers experience when this is over.

    • Replies: @Wally
  269. @neprof

    The symptoms sound right. Do you live anywhere near Fort Detrick?

  270. geokat62 says:
    @AnonFromTN

    WASPs are just as greedy and guilty as those (((elites))).

    WASPs? You must be referring to the Traitorous Shabbos Goys. They squashed the WASPs long ago, lol.

  271. bjondo says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    If you have a cage filled with live bats

    Big IF and probably big BS from CIA or similar turd factory.

    https://observers.france24.com/en/20200203-china-coronavirus-bat-soup-debunk-videos-viral-palau-indonesia

    from linked article, france24:

    According to our research, eating bat meat is more than rare in China. It’s actually unacceptable in Chinese culture.

    Our Observer Lu Haitao grew up in Wuhan but now lives in Beijing. He agreed.

    I have never seen bat meat for sale in markets or restaurants in Wuhan or elsewhere in China. I’ve also never heard anyone talk about eating it. For me, eating bat meat is both inconceivable and disgusting.

    5 dancing shlomos

    • Agree: Erebus
    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
  272. considering the scale of death we are dealing with, a criminal investigation may have to look closely into such a possibility: identifying the danger, identifying the possible motive and spotting the financial benefactors as well as beneficiaries.

    No thorough criminal investigation of 911 followed the protocols of investigation that Mr. Atzmon listed above. The public didn’t demand one then, and certainly will not demand one today. Hence it won’t happen. Unless of course it is headed by Dick Cheney.

    Fear God, and the stupidity of the population. Ezra Pound … Cantos 72

  273. geokat62 says:
    @Wally

    Dimwitted geokat62 can’t refute anything I post…

    Says the genius who constantly berates those who believe in the Zionist big lie, whilst defending to the death the biggest Zionist shill that has ever sat in the Oval Office.

    Consistency, obviously, isn’t his strong suit.

    Poor little Wally wallbanger lol!

    • Agree: utu
  274. @A123

    In the real world a virus’ has never been proven to jump species, as all virus’ are created at the cell level and are specific to the host. Here’s a link to a German virologist, Dr. Stefan Lanka. Read a little, and learn a lot.
    Vhttp://whale.to/b/lanka.html

    • Thanks: Hempus
  275. Trinity says:

    I would love a survey done on who the public thinks is responsible for this virus.
    1. China
    2. Mother Nature
    3. America
    4. Israel
    5. Doctor Octopus
    6. Dr. Doom

    • Replies: @Anon
  276. niceland says:

    Since we do not know its provenance, we should treat the current epidemic as a potentially criminal act as well as a medical event. We must begin the search for the perpetrators who may be at the centre of this possible crime of global genocidal proportions.

    The politically motivated are already at it and we can be sure the propaganda masters of the universe will be ready to supply any and all evidence needed for every possible outcome. They are already hard at work.

    To play is to ask to be taken for a ride, And then there is this:

    In criminal law, Blackstone’s ratio (also known as the Blackstone ratio or Blackstone’s formulation) is the idea that: It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer

    And who will be the judge?

    No thanks, I will sit this one out.

  277. Half Back says:
    @David riskanalyst

    The Asian times with my favorite China watcher ( you too Ron ) has had a series of Articles regarding Chin’s rise and the ‘we must de-couple argument’. Mr Goldman nails it time and again. Look up his 5g report, it’s sensational.

    https://asiatimes.com/2020/04/us-china-decoupling-a-reality-check/

    I found the 5g, America’s greatest strategic mistake.

    https://asiatimes.com/2019/11/5g-policy-biggest-strategic-disaster-in-us-history/

  278. Paul C. says:
    @Wally

    Trump and the media are on the same page. They have the same owners.

    It’s a dog and pony show to keep the masses divided and distracted from understanding who the real enemy is. That’s what the entire left/ right paradigm is. The country has been infiltrated. The politicians are pawns. The Central Bankers control the world until the masses wake up. Of all people, I can’t believe you don’t see it.

    Perhaps the Plandemic is beginning to wake up others. One can hope before it’s too late.

  279. Erebus says:
    @Iris

    AFTN is wrong for the same reasons that the Nature article’s authors are wrong. Boxed in by the boundary conditions within which the current theoretical paradigm and its computer models operate, scientists go about their routine business. To go outside them is to step into no-man’s land, where the reward for all but the exceptional genius is either non-existent, or counted by the number of arrows in his back.

    The crux of the authors’ argument is that no computer model would suggest SARS-2’s genome, so no run-of-the-mill scientist would go there. Actually, that’s an argument that trips over itself. It’s precisely by forcing models beyond their normal boundary conditions that the uniqueness they found in SARS-2’s genome is created. Either nature went beyond the model’s boundary conditions, or somebody forced the model to go beyond them and then built physical analogues of the model’s results. There are no other options here.

    Both clinically and genetically, this virus stands apart. Experienced clinicians say they’ve seen nothing like it in action, and routine geneticists say they can’t find its antecedents in nature. Some, like Dr. Pekova say some of the critical parts of its genome are so radically unique that it couldn’t possibly have a natural antecedent.

    Natural or otherwise, it sprung on the world sui generis. Did it escape a human Maker, or did nature create it ex nihilo? The jury is still bogged down with political considerations, and I suspect they’ll remain so occupied until the political ground has been prepared for their verdict.

    • Replies: @Poco
    , @Sparkon
  280. Paul C. says:
    @Desert Fox

    And from Deborah’s site you should be able to find: Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars, Report from Iron Mountain and the NASA War Document. Or just Google them. All are “must reads” to understand the war against humanity and the dismantling of the US taking place.

    I believe it’s ultimately a spiritual war and we must find God. In the meantime, we wake up others and fight back.

    • Agree: Desert Fox
  281. Eagle Eye says:
    @SteveK9

    ‘However, the other significant possibility is mishandling of a non-weaponized sample by staff at the Wuhan Bioweapon Laboratory.’

    The aforementioned Dr. Zhengli SHI (石正丽) of the Wuhan Virus Lab (who also collaborated with the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill) gave a detailed presentation discussing how her team worked for years to locate the bat population that was the nearest natural source of the COVID-19 virus.

    The presentation seems forceful and persuasive, but it could, of course, be an elaborate misdirection.

  282. Seraphim says:

    A criminal investigation was launched on the 5th of April by the New South Wales Police into whether the operator of the ship ‘Ruby Princess’, Carnival Australia, broke the Biosecurity Act 2015 and New South Wales state laws, by deliberately concealing COVID-19 cases. On the 19th of March 2700 passengers were allowed to disembark in Sydney only with the recommendation to isolate themselves for 14 days. They returned to their homes all over Australia and 900 passengers to diverse overseas destinations . The result was a dramatic spike in the number of Covid-19 cases. In fact even before starting its cruise to New Zealand, it disembarked almost in secret 158 sick passengers.
    Australia already had quarantined all travelers coming from China (some directly from Wuhan) and the spread was contained. Numerous Australians (non-Chinese) have been caught up in Wuhan’s lock-down and repatriated without problems, screened on arrival and quarantined on Christmas Island and Darwin.
    The ‘Ruby Princess’ had not sailed anywhere near China. Until late 2019 its main routes were along the Western Coast of USA.
    The ‘Diamond Princess’ ship which was quarantined in Japan on the 4th of February also sailed only to Hong-Kong, Vietnam and Taiwan.
    The Carnival Corporation is owned by the billionaire Israeli-American businessman Micky Arison who ‘counts US President Donald Trump as a friend’. He generously offered his ship to serve as floating hospitals for non-Covid patients! “The White House has not offered an explanation for why the United States government would use cruise ships as temporary hospitals over vacant hotels or other land-based facilities”. As a result “The offer served as a shot in the arm for the company’s share price Thursday, which closed at $10 per share, up 7.53%”[email protected]//www.miamiherald.com/news/business/tourism-cruises/article241336261.html#storylink=cpy

    Canadian passengers who contracted the disease have already initiated a Class Action against the ‘Carnival’ and now Australia followed suit. You can understand why China must be made to pay!
    Carnival ships have been often the place of infections.
    So, everything point the finger at America.

  283. Tor597 says:

    1) Funny that there are reports of American cows that were experimented on and then sold to markets. Something that China was accused of doing, but no outcry there.

    2) The real mystery is till Iran. They had it really bad and did not control it near as well as China did. What kind of strain did Iran have and how does that fit into any narrative?

  284. Sean says:
    @Wally

    COVID-19 is not a bioweapons attack it is much worse than that, it’s a harbinger of the decline of the West. While China will suffer, as in so many cases including 1918, they seem to be relatively better off.

    CHINA require[s] children — typically newborns — to receive the BCG vaccine… scientists have long known that “almost by lucky accident,” the BCG vaccine doesn’t just protect against tuberculosis, it also helps fight other viruses, respiratory infections in particular

    The West has reached such a high degree of integration and hygiene that it is metastable and must collapse; this is the begining of the slide.

    Basically the Chinese assumed the Wuah disease was the like SARSs (2002) and MERS 2009),scary death rate rare but not very, and barely transmissible between people respectively and so failed to do proper epidemiological work.

    On the 7th January 2020 Chinese doctors issued a statement that the disease was not easily spread person to person and they only announced the first infection between people 0n the 20th January.
    The World Health Organization said there was “some limited human-to-human transmission occurring between close contacts”.

    As Plagues and Peoples, by William McNeill explains, establishing trade links with China led to epidemics of disease that devastated ancient Rome at the peak of its power. China promptly surpassed Rome, which never really recovered. A Third of the population was killed by a novel form of measles or smallpox.

    Long before then at the very birth of the West the largest buildings in the World were in Neolithic settlements of Europe

    RASMUSSEN believes the [pneumonic] plague may originally have emerged as a human disease in the unprecedented mega-settlements that started to be built about 6,000 years ago in what are now Ukraine, Romania and Moldova. The settlements were home to tens of thousands. But with so many people living in dreadful sanitary conditions and in close contact with animals, the sites were perfect breeding grounds for bugs. “This is the classic, textbook example of what is needed for new pathogens to develop,” he said. […] The scenario may explain the so-called neolithic decline, a crash in the European population that took place about 5,500 years ago, and why the mega-settlements, then the largest in Europe by far, are known to have been abandoned and burned to the ground.

    “The mega-settlements start to collapse just as the seed strain starts to develop,” said Rasmussen. “The plague could have been part of the reason.”

    A pandemic of the sort the scientists describe could explain how foraging populations from the Eurasian steppe were able to move into Europe with such ease at the time.

    The Chinese offering sweet deal and support for Huawei’s 5G network in the aftermath of the economic devastation will be welcomed as a Godsend.

    • Replies: @Tor597
  285. Anon[603] • Disclaimer says:
    @Trinity

    Can America and Israel even be separated now (or UK for that matter)? At the ‘deep state’ level, they seem to be pretty much one and the same.

    • Replies: @Trinity
  286. Looking for the perps ?… yoshiro kawaoka , frank plummer , gary splitter……this isn’t a virus , it’s a chimera , consisting of HIV-COV-TB Components , subjected to gain of function. 2011 univ. wisc/ madison at the vetenary lab, for the first time 4 hiv proteins inserted ( crispr ) into the cov….m TB sequenced later , in canada ….package deployed to the world military games in wuhan 10/19…second deploy tilapia fish farms , yangtze river ….kawaoka in hiding japan, splitter dead in kenya

    • Replies: @ThatDamnGood
  287. Look at this, as thing stand CV19 Type A originated in the USA… I would actually call for an immediate study of the Israeli CV 19 strains as the fatality ratio is extremely low there. Many infected and just a few dead (infected/fatality =0.01) something that points at a very strong herd immunity… you ask yourself why.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLnd2fSaw346JX5fkjQjFT9ElmiP0aE__S&v=hsCo8w67FhE&index=31

    • Replies: @Erebus
  288. @beware the ides of march

    Just to say Hi, fan of your writing elsewhere.

  289. Tor597 says:
    @Sean

    Ironic since America is only a white land due to small pox devastating Native Americans.

    • Replies: @Sean
  290. @Wally

    Wally,

    If I was an American and the voting type I’d vote for Trump even though he’s a shill for Jews and Israel, but they all are so no difference there. Since there will be neither any revolution nor ethno states, he’s about the best one can hope for. I’d have preferred him even to Sanders, but if it was Tulsi I’d have to think about it. Considering who he’s up against I hope you’re right about that landslide.

  291. Vojkan says:

    “One would expect that following the deaths of tens of thousands around the globe, every police force, government and intelligence agency would join forces in the attempt to identify the possible culprit(s) at the root of the coronavirus crisis.”

    Nope. The psychopaths are infatuated with the new coronavirus. Hunting down, fining and locking down hapless old folks out for groceries is much more satisfying. Plus chasing trekkers in the middle of nowhere with helicopters because they don’t respect the rules of confinement is so more purposeful.

    “Some claim that G5 radiation is at the core of the new epidemic.”

    Yeah, sure. Two possibilities. Electromagnetic waves creating a DNA sequence out of nothing, b/c that’s what a virus is basically, a DNA sequence. That or virions being deposed everywhere to be excited by electromagnetic waves to grip on you like these things https://duckduckgo.com/?q=thistle&t=fpas&iax=images&ia=images. Btw, it’s 5G and it’s the same as 4G, only faster. And the theory is absurd but it serves its purpose.

    Treat the pandemics as a crime? Dream on. Why would governments treat as a crime something that is totally a dream come true for them? The panic, the lockdowns, the total power over people’s lives and to top it all it kills old people by the thousands. That’s hundreds of millions for pensions saved.

    For every government bureaucrat, every two-digit-IQ law enforcer, every bankster, every corporate fraudster, every crony capitalist, every neighbour-hating nark and every crackpot radical this whole crisis is more a case of “how I learned to stop worrying and love the SARS-CoV-2”.

    That said, that microscopic thistle just doesn’t look like a piece of work by Mother Nature.

  292. @obwandiyag

    It is always possible that the Fort Detrick closure by the CDC after leaks and flawed biosecurity work practices is a feint.

    Did IDF participate in the world military games in Wuhan? or did the USA do that task on their behalf.

    Looks like a stuxnet rerun is possible.

  293. @Johnny Walker Read

    Johnny, I’ve been peeking a few articles & videos regarding 5G radiation that appear credible.

    But my question is this: WHY would China (via Huawei) want to kill their paying global 5G customers/users? After all, they are in the business of making money & funding these massive Belt & Road infrastructure projects. 🤔👀

    Can somebody please enlighten me?

    • Replies: @Johnny Walker Read
  294. Yee says:

    Erebus,

    “The authorities then decreed that all African passport holders be tested. The fact you’re missing is that white African passport holders fell under the same rules and were tested as well, so the charge of racism dilutes to insignificance.”

    The result is out today.

    Of 4553 Afrians in Guangzhou, 111 tested positive, 2.24% of them! That’s even worse than the official infection rate of NewYork city! Imagine what’s happening in Africa…

    广州4553名非洲籍人员接受新冠检测 111人呈阳性
    https://m.sohu.com/a/387894462_115479

    • Thanks: Erebus
  295. Prajna says: • Website

    GoF bioweapon or not, there is a crime of euthanasia that has been committed globally, or at least in western countries. That is the purging hospitals of their normal census for the anticipated or projected ‘surge’ of corona patients.

    Interestingly, that purge has also resulted in the reduction of some iatrogenic deaths but also the increase of deaths due to the removal of some vulnerable patients from medical support; a grand disposal of ‘useless eaters’.

    I suggest that this aspect should also be investigated.

    • Replies: @Prajna
    , @Prajna
  296. @bjondo

    Chinese Hasbara strikes again.

    The debunking article says racists claim bats were eaten in one specific exotic animal market in Wuhan that sold every kind of animal. Then it goes on to say:

    “According to our research, eating bat meat is more than rare in China.”

    “Chinese medicine uses bat excrement to improve patients’ vision and to treat dysentery, hemorrhages and diarrhea. It is often mixed into rice porridge or made into a kind of tea.”

    “A traditional dish in the Pacific, a vacation destination for many Chinese tourists”

    Um, okay. The debunking article states 1. Chinese do in fact eat bat. 2. Bat is used in traditional Chinese magical potions medicine. 3. Bat is on the menu in restaurants in South Asia.

    What point are they trying to make?

    Jan 19, 2018:
    Bats Flying Through a Chinese Wet Market – Live Inside China Market

    • Replies: @Tor597
  297. Prajna says: • Website
    @Prajna

    Add to the above the aggressive Do Not Resuscitate campaign, which is part of the same eugenic policy.

  298. Ghali says:

    The Israeli and U.S. regimes work together and are complicit in major war crimes. There is mounting evidence that COVID-19 pandemic originated in the U.S. and may have been intentionally perpetuated by the U.S., which is pursuing a massive expansion of its biological weapons program. “It may be a coincidence that the primary U.S. bioweapons lab, Fort Detrick, was shut down in summer 2019 over fears that weaponized pathogens might escape. It may be a coincidence that absurdly under-performing U.S. military athletes came to Wuhan for the World Military Games in October and have since been accused by China’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs of being the source of the COVID-19 pandemic.”

  299. @refl

    I am just about to give an interview and address this question. Our political class is compromised to the core. Our only hope is actually the deep state, the few patriots who have managed to survive within the military, intelligence agencies, police forces, CIA, FBI, MI6, MI5, and also the mossad and many others services around the world.

    Why do you think these organisations have produced the best whistle blowers?

    • LOL: Fran Taubman
    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
    , @refl
  300. antibeast says:
    @David riskanalyst

    By seizing funds from its bank accounts after a court might find civil liability.

    To prove civil liability, you need to provide evidence that the defendant is guilty of causing damages, whether intentionally or accidentally. Viral epidemics are considered “Acts of God” which can not be attributed to human actors. However, the US travel industry such as cruise ships, airlines, tour groups, etc. who brought US tourists to China after China had notified the WHO of the existence of the new Covid-19 virus could be held legally liable for causing damages, whether actual, incidental or consequential, to those US tourists and their immediate families if they had contracted the Covid-19 virus while traveling to/from China or any other places.

    China had already notified the WHO as early as December 31st, 2019 when East Asian cities began imposing mandatory screening, quarantine, wearing face masks, contact tracing, social distancing, etc. due to their prior experience with the SARS outbreak. China had already fulfilled its moral duty and legal responsibility by notifying the WHO of a potential viral pandemic similar to SARS. Western authorities — not China — had the moral duty and legal responsibility to decide if they want to take the necessary precautions against a potential viral pandemic. But Western countries did not. In fact, the Western Media kept demonizing Chinese people with racist caricatures while not admonishing Western authorities of the necessity to properly enforce timely precautionary measures. Western governments — not China — are politically liable to their Western citizens while Western corporations — not China — are legally liable to their Western customers.

    All these talk of China this or China that are just red herring.

    • Replies: @Poco
  301. Hempus says:
    @Heidi

    The Iranian leaders missed the chance to go a very independent way to deal with this health scam. They did not grasp that the WHO and western big pharma is in the hands of their Zionist enemy. Now they produce even covid-19 tests by themself and terrorize their own citizens and creating panic and fear and damage their own economy.

    Instead of using this crisis as an advantage they are whining that the sanctions kill people in Iran. And yes, they believe that it is a weaponized virus and asked the IMF for 5 billions to fight the virus.

    The pressure of the money lenders will be hilarious and the new religion is political correctness toward the almighty god which is of course a creation of the chosen tribe.

    ALPHABET (AI, google) is now the executioner of the almighty god, able to spill the menaces to all nations who are in resistance against the promised country for the chosen people.

    If you think the biblical menaces happened…then you are fooled.
    This menaces happen now by way of deception.
    The Iranian media is a fan of Dr. Fauci….I hope Trump is firing him today!
    Engage Robert Kennedy jr.!

  302. If it’s a case of “round up the usual suspects”, I think Israel would be first on the list.

  303. annamaria says:
    @Seraphim

    That would be interesting. Just an exposure of the biggy ‘patriots’ among the US deciders making mega-gesheft in China would provide a great spectacle.

  304. Children’s Health Defense tells us why Bill Gates wants indemnity… Are you willing to take the risk?

    Why are the world’s top vaccine promoters, like Paul Offit and Peter Hotez, frantically warning us about the unique and frightening dangers inherent in developing a coronavirus vaccine?

    Scientists first attempted to develop coronavirus vaccines after China’s 2002 SARS-CoV outbreak. Teams of US & foreign scientists vaccinated animals with the four most promising vaccines. At first, the experiment seemed successful as all the animals developed a robust antibody response to coronavirus. However, when the scientists exposed the vaccinated animals to the wild virus, the results were horrifying. Vaccinated animals suffered hyper-immune responses including inflammation throughout their bodies, especially in their lungs. Researchers had seen this same “enhanced immune response” during human testing of the failed RSV vaccine tests in the 1960s. Two children died.

    In this video footage, Offit, Hotez and even Anthony Fauci (in an unguarded moment), warn that any new coronavirus vaccine could trigger lethal immune reactions “vaccine enhancement” when vaccinated people come in contact with the wild virus. Instead of proceeding with caution, Fauci has made the reckless choice to fast track vaccines, partially funded by Gates, without critical animal studies before moving into human clinical trials that could provide early warning of runaway immune response.

    https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/heres-why-bill-gates-wants-indemnity-are-you-willing-to-take-the-risk/?utm_source=salsa&eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=c94b3721-ea3d-464f-b8cc-68adb387220c

  305. Prajna says: • Website
    @Prajna

    Oh yes, there’s also the (how many?) trillions raided from thin air to deal with the fallout from coronachan. That’s a crime too, innit?

  306. Erebus says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    Many infected and just a few dead (infected/fatality =0.01)…

    … is a meaningless number as infections and outcomes do not occur on the same timeline.

    As it takes approx the same amount of time to recover as it does to die, the useful snapshot is to look at resolved cases – the ratio of current deaths vs current recoveries will tell much more about the country’s success at fighting the virus itself.

    There Israel currently stands at 117:2000, or about 6% of of resolved cases die. Not bad, on par with Germany, but by no means the best. It’s well below others such as China (4.3%), S. Korea (2.8%) and Singapore (1.5%). Australia is doing particularly well for a large Western country (2.8%).

    In any case, numbers are notoriously unreliable in the midst of an epidemic. We’ll know in a year or two what happened.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Gilad Atzmon
  307. Beware the coming Coronavirus/COVID-19/ CoV sars-2 vaccine brought to you courtesy of Bill Gates and Fauci : “Death by vaccination:The Gates Foundation and the new eugenics “Progressive Radio Network” prn.fm
    Are you a “useless eater” ready to be culled?

  308. utu says:
    @Erebus

    Among those who require hospital care the proportions Hospitalized:ICU:Dead is approximately 20 : 4 : 1 both for Italy and NY. Out of 20 hospitalized patients 4 are in ICU and one is about to die.

    • Replies: @Erebus
  309. Miro23 says:
    @Iris

    A research group at the University of North Carolina built a SARS type virus in 2015 that could infect humans. It might be interesting to ask them about its characteristics, whether it still exists, and who had/has access to it.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985

    From the article:

    Therefore, to examine the emergence potential (that is, the potential to infect humans) of circulating bat CoVs, we built a chimeric virus encoding a novel, zoonotic CoV spike protein—from the RsSHC014-CoV sequence that was isolated from Chinese horseshoe bats1—in the context of the SARS-CoV mouse-adapted backbone.

    Then they tested it and found that it worked.

    To test the ability of the SHC014 spike to mediate infection of the human airway, we examined the sensitivity of the human epithelial airway cell line Calu-3 2B4 (ref. 9) to infection and found robust SHC014-MA15 replication, comparable to that of SARS-CoV Urbani (Fig. 1c). To extend these findings, primary human airway epithelial (HAE) cultures were infected and showed robust replication of both viruses (Fig. 1d).

    And they accepted that they could be doing something very dangerous.

    Together, these data and restrictions represent a crossroads of GOF research concerns; the potential to prepare for and mitigate future outbreaks must be weighed against the risk of creating more dangerous pathogens. In developing policies moving forward, it is important to consider the value of the data generated by these studies and whether these types of chimeric virus studies warrant further investigation versus the inherent risks involved.

    • Thanks: Iris
  310. @Black Picard

    American captains of industry have done no studies on the effects of 5G radiation on the human body and are moving ahead full speed with 5G install and testing during the CV lock down. Although many health experts are screaming at the top of their lungs for such testing, it never was done nor will be done.
    I imagine the same can be said of Huawei and China.

    As you know, the CV “pandemic” started in China mere weeks after the complete roll-out of 5G in Wuhan. Was CV just a scapegoat to cover the devastation being caused by 5G as so many health experts have warned us about? Another factor to consider would be the extreme levels of air pollution in Wuhan. Personally I think the CV pandemic was rolled out to hide the devastation caused by those 2 factors alone.

    So is Huawei, like any other global corporation about too admit it has created a Frankenstein type monster for which it could be sued out of existence, OR, will it, along with its global partners do all they can to shift the blame on some mythical virus.

    If I am wrong, we will all live in a Brave New World fueled by 5G. If I am right, we will all suffer sever health problems and die in a Brave New World fueled by 5G.

    Only time will tell.

  311. Alfred says:
    @E_Perez

    He was not, by chance, Col. Otto Skorzeny who had rescued Mussolini from the Gran Sasso mountain in 1943?

    Definitely not. He was on the eastern front. I cannot remember his name. He lived in Lübeck. A company driver picked up by this guy and my father from Hamburg airport. It was a coincidence and they became friends. The German had just been released. He had been in Siberia for at least 10 years as a guest of the Soviets. He told my dad that when he left for Germany, the Russian lady guards were in tears because they could not leave like him. It was hell not only for the prisoners.

    My elder brother spent a few weeks one summer at his house. He hated the cold showers. 🙂

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  312. Erebus says:
    @utu

    Yeah, but that granularity is not available across all countries so I didn’t go there.

  313. Sean says:
    @Tor597

    The more fool the Native Americans for giving up their land by failing to make an all out effot to defend it by any means necessary. In truth though they mever really stood a chance both because the Europeans had vast numbers but also because the America’swere not like Africa in which only the Highlands of Kenya were healthy enough for whites to drive the indigenous people of the land and replace them by mass colonising it.

    In China there are gigantic detention centres where people are crowded like battery hens; an amped up second wave coming from those concentration camps and killing young Westerners (that is the age of the inmates COVID-19 will become tuned to) in the Wet is all but inevitable. It is already happening.

    https://academic.oup.com/nsr/article/doi/10.1093/nsr/nwaa036/5775463

    Population genetic analyses of 103 SARS-CoV-2 genomes indicated that these viruses evolved into two major types (designated L and S), that are well defined by two different SNPs that show nearly complete linkage across the viral strains sequenced to date. Although the L type (∼70%) is more prevalent than the S type (∼30%), the S type was found to be the ancestral version. Whereas the L type was more prevalent in the early stages of the outbreak in Wuhan, the frequency of the L type decreased after early January 2020. Human intervention may have placed more severe selective pressure on the L type, which might be more aggressive and spread more quickly. On the other hand, the S type, which is evolutionarily older and less aggressive, might have increased in relative frequency due to relatively weaker selective pressure.

    The official policy of the US is to treat a cyber attack as a nuclear strike and respond accordingly. The time has come to concentrate China’s mind by clearly stating that the second wave super COVID-19 out of China will incur just retribution, and the use of thermonuclear weapons has most certainly not been ruled out

    • Troll: Alfred
    • Replies: @Half Back
  314. @Alfred

    Didn’t Otto Skorzeny work for Gamal Abdel Nasser? And presumably some other former SS officers too.

  315. @Gilad Atzmon

    You are a whistle blower what deep state alphabet do
    you belong to? You could be a Mossad. A gate keeper to the Zionist empire. Everyone knows covet 19 is a plot to takeover the world. I would not be looking at who has the lowest mortality. China does not care about Chinese deaths?

  316. Herald says:
    @A123

    Black smoke has been seen billowing from China’s first assault carrier in Shanghai. …

    Images suggest that the fire took hold within the hull of the ship, possibly in the expansive aircraft hanger. Smoke came out of the open aircraft lift near the front of the island superstructure.

    Surprisingly, you didn’t mention mention the US Navy when referring to lack of competence and basic and general stupidity.

  317. Poco says:
    @Erebus

    Most scientists will insist that life itself was created ex nihilo. Why not this virus? Suddenly, they now believe that a creator is necessary for that which they cannot explain. Interesting. Just an observation.

  318. anarchyst says:

    Masks don’t work against viruses as viruses are much smaller than the filtration qualities of most masks.

    Viruses are non-living RNA strands that depend on a “host” for survival and replication. Only killing the “host” kills the virus. Viruses depend on their “hosts” NOT dying, in order to multiply.

    Vaccines do not work on viruses, as they mutate with regularity. The “common cold” is composed of viruses that are constantly mutating. Hence, vaccines are ineffective.

    Quarantining 100% of the population in order to “save” the 1% who are compromised by their own poor health and medical issues is the epitome of insanity.

    “Herd immunity” works because it exposes the maximum number of healthy individuals, conferring a certain amount of temporary “immunity” on most healthy individuals.

    There is a larger agenda here. The (unelected) “powers that be” desire to see how much they can “get away with” by imposing “stay home” orders and closing viable businesses.

    The agenda that the (unelected) “powers that be” have (for the rest of us) is “microchipping” like cattle and restrictions on travel, movement, the ability to live where you want, and even the ability to start up and establish businesses without their permission.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  319. Poco says:
    @antibeast

    “In fact, the Western Media kept demonizing Chinese people with racist caricatures while not admonishing Western authorities of the necessity to properly enforce timely precautionary measures.”

    I recall that the media trope was that demonizing Chinese people WAS racist. Not that they were demonizing Chinese people. While not admonishing Western authorities.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  320. refl says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    On the related thread by Ron Unz someone has just posted this link:

    https://rightedition.com/2020/04/09/mn-senator-and-doctor-hospitals-get-paid-more-to-list-patients-as-covid-19-and-three-times-as-much-if-the-patient-goes-on-ventilator/

    “MN Senator and Doctor: Hospitals Get Paid More to List Patients as COVID-19 and Three Times as Much if the Patient Goes on Ventilator ”

    I do not know the news site that posted the article, but if true, these are exactly the finger prints of those who made up all of Russiagate and whatever crazy stuff they have invented over the last years. While people are still trying to grasp that something is wrong about corona and how it is possible, they brazenly falsify the evidence that they desperately need.

    The capacity to ignore the evidence that whistle blowers have produced is reaching ever more breathtaking proportions. As is the capacity to replace reality with their fiction by simply producing ever bigger lies.
    I am of the persuasion that corona is mostly a scam with different parties that gain from it, but then I am just a weirdo who has read to much Unz review.

    • Replies: @skrik
  321. Latest statistics from the CDC on provisional COVID-19 deaths in the US from February 1 to April 13th, 2020 allegedly there were 6340 deaths out of a population of 327,000,000 , by my calculations that is a death rate of .00002% , much lower than the seasonal flu. For this they have ruined people’s lives and the economy?

    • Replies: @9/11 inside job
  322. @9/11 inside job

    Correction : 6930 deaths rather than 6340

  323. Agent76 says:

    Apr 14, 2020 A Healthcare PATRIOT Act?

    Ron Paul on how the tyrants will use the coronavirus scare to steal your personal medical information…

  324. Trinity says:
    @Anon

    Good point and point taken.

  325. antibeast says:
    @Poco

    I recall that the media trope was that demonizing Chinese people WAS racist. Not that they were demonizing Chinese people. While not admonishing Western authorities.

    Just because the Western Media likes to virtue-signal their anti-racism does not imply that their anti-Chinese caricatures are non-racist. They want to have their cake and eat it too by killing two birds with one stone: pander to white racism against the “bat-eating” Chinese while condemning whites for their anti-Chinese racism. And that’s all they did during the months of January, February and March when the viral pandemic was already underway in the West. By April, China and East Asia had already contained the viral pandemic to the chagrin of the Western Media which then started blaming China and the WHO for not admonishing them to take precautionary measures in the West. Now, they’re saying China allegedly “under-reported” the cases and deaths which lured the West into complacency.

    The fact of the matter is that the Western Media — acting as instruments of US Imperialism — could not resist exploiting the viral pandemic to demonize China and utterly failed its moral duty to advocate for the adoption of preventative measures to mitigate the impact of the viral pandemic on the societies, economies and peoples of the West. Failing that, they’re now resorting to black propaganda to discredit China’s success in dealing with the viral pandemic which threatens to undermine the credibility of the neo-liberal, pseudo-democratic, Capitalist System of the West.

    The Western Media doesn’t even bother hiding their ideological agenda which is to serve as the propaganda arm of the globalist NWO.

    • Replies: @vot tak
  326. skrik says:
    @Bob

    were deliberate acts and cannot be reconstructed as “gross negligence” or even “callous disregard.”

    IF the ‘targets’ in Wuhan were suspected victims of a bio-warfare attack THEN the local authorities may have been quite justified by acting in a somewhat ‘reserved’ fashion – eh?

    • Replies: @Sean
  327. skrik says:
    @refl

    I do not know the news site that posted the article

    Here is one, or at least similar + interesting. rgds

  328. Sparkon says:
    @Erebus

    Both clinically and genetically, this virus stands apart. Experienced clinicians say they’ve seen nothing like it in action, and routine geneticists say they can’t find its antecedents in nature. Some, like Dr. Pekova say some of the critical parts of its genome are so radically unique that it couldn’t possibly have a natural antecedent.

    The simplest explanation is that SARS-CoV-2 had a natural origin. The rest of it sounds to me like special pleading, some of it coming from those with an axe to grind against the United States and/or China, some of it coming from those who promote chaos and FUD, and according to a recent Pew survey, some of it coming from people who aren’t very well educated.

    While a plurality of Americans (43%) say the new coronavirus most likely came about naturally, nearly three-in-ten (29%) say it most likely was created in a lab, according to a Pew Research Center survey conducted from March 10 to 16, 2020

    Please pay particular attention to those statistics from Pew showing the highest percentages responding that the virus is natural are liberal (64%), college-educated (61%), over-65 (51%), white (50%), males (46%).

    Perhaps my impressions are amiss, but it seems to me that Pew’s conspiracy-oriented 29% are disproportionately represented here at Unz Review. The COVID conspiracy crowd have been very active and vocal pushing their opinions that SARS-CoV-2 could only be the work of lab rats, while the 43% of Americans who think it is probably natural have been represented here at UR by just a few of us.

    Mutation is what viruses do, and every year there are new strains of influenza viruses circulating and making people ill. Immunologists make choices using a dart board about the brews of vaccines that will be administered each year. Sometimes they work, sometimes they don’t, and sometimes the vaccination is worse than the disease.

    I’m not much impressed with Dr. Pekova’s arguments. She’s just one educated professional dame with an opinion, and not an irrefutable or infallible authority. What humans can imagine is more a guide to science fiction than it is to science. No one could imagine a Platypus Duckbill, but there it is. No one imagined those deep-sea tube worms living around volcanic vents on the ocean floor, nor the entire community of life living in concert with them, but there they are.

    Mother Nature always trumps what humans can imagine, and we’re a long way from having it all figured out.

    One in five mammals on this planet is a bat.

    According to the work of the EcoHealth Alliance, there have been a number of low-level infections from coronaviruses that have been circulating for some time among villagers living in proximity to bat caves in China, and one of those viruses designated RaTG13 is 96% the same as the virus causing COVID-19 — SARS-CoV-2 — which reportedly has (at least) eight strains, of which the A, B, and C strains are the most widespread.

    As far as is known presently, the first strain began in China. The initial association was with a Wuhan seafood market, but further research showed that about 1/3 of the original patients had no connection with the market, including the earliest known patient.

    The common ancestor of circulating viruses appears to have emerged in Wuhan, China, in late Nov or early Dec 2019. Accordingly, the majority of sampled and inferred ancestral cases were located in Asia during this early period. This is consistent with circulation largely within China and some exported cases to other countries in Asia for the first month of the outbreak.

    https://nextstrain.org/narratives/ncov/sit-rep/2020-04-10?n=4

    Similarity of SARS-CoV-2 to bat and pangolin viruses is some of the best evidence that the virus is natural, Hodcroft says. “This was just another animal spillover into humans,” she says. “It’s really the most simple explanation for what we see.” Researchers still aren’t sure exactly which animal was the source.

    Andersen says the analysis probably won’t lay conspiracy theories to rest. Still, he thinks the analysis was worth doing. “I was myself skeptical at the beginning and I kept flipping back and forth,” Andersen says, but he’s now convinced. “All the data show it’s natural.”

    https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid-19-not-human-made-lab-genetic-analysis-nature

    • Agree: Sean
  329. @anarchyst

    When they started recommending condoms to fight AIDS, I remember reading that the HIV virus was smaller than the microscopic pores in the structure of the condom. Still the condom is not made up of a monolayer of latex but multiple layers that would reduce the porosity to nanoparticles. Also the HIV virus is associated with semen and blood so it’s not that the actual 100 nanometer virions of HIV passing through the rubber that we normally have to worry about. Similarly Covid-19 and other flu viruses are generally associated with small suspended airborne particles or on surfaces and are mostly not floating about freely as flu virions in the air so masks could offer some protection, as well as preventing transfer from hands to mouth and nose. Nothing’s foolproof but I think you reduce your risks wearing one … somewhat.

    • Replies: @aandrews
  330. How can this be?
    This Is Strange: Total US Deaths in March 2020 are Actually Down 15% from Average of Prior Four Years

    What is going on? After shutting down the government and killing the greatest economy in the world due to deathly estimates from specialists on the coronavirus, the data is showing that this may be one great big mistake or hoax.

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/strange-total-us-deaths-march-2020-actually-15-average-prior-four-years/

  331. vot tak says:
    @Sparkon

    “sounds to me like special pleading”

    Very apt description of sparkon’s comment. Obfuscation is another good description of it. So is “high noise to signal ratio”.

    This bit of idiocy is especially laughable:

    “Please pay particular attention to those statistics from Pew showing the highest percentages responding that the virus is natural are liberal (64%), college-educated (61%), over-65 (51%), white (50%), males (46%).”

    Yup, that nails it then, the virus is exactly what the zionazi-gay psywar/propaganda machine says it is… 😀

  332. @David riskanalyst

    Ambulance chasers, or headline and click chasers, don’t worry about the fine print.

    See https://lawandcrime.com/covid-19-pandemic/larry-klayman-wants-international-criminal-court-to-investigate-china-over-alleged-coronavirus-bioweapon/

    As Law&Crime previously reported, Klayman is currently suing the Chinese government for $2o trillion in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Texas.

    “I call on lawyers in nations around the world to join our effort to punish the guilty and have them thrown in prison where they belong,” Klayman said of the latest legal effort against China. “I also call on all persons of good intentions to join or follow and support our class action suit in Dallas, Texas, and I am actively amassing a team of lawyers to make sure that China, and not the American taxpayer, pay the bill for the human suffering and death which this rogue communist ‘terrorist state’ has caused. I am also assisting lawyers in other nations globally to bring similar legal actions.”

    Read the full ICC complaint below:

    Klayman ICC Complaint by Law&Crime on Scribd

    https://www.scribd.com/document/454991381/Klayman-ICC-Complaint#from_embed

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @annamaria
  333. Jiminy says:

    Just reading where Sparkon mentioned that the virus RaTG13 was 96% similar to the new corona virus had me thinking that the missing 4% is probably what makes it lethal to humans. But with a pangolin being an animal that can’t fly, and the bat being a winged animal that doesn’t walk on the ground- how can the bat infect the pangolin so that the pangolin can infect the bat so that the bat can then infect man. Because supposedly bat soup is the danger, not pangolin soup?

  334. vot tak says:
    @antibeast

    “The Western Media doesn’t even bother hiding their ideological agenda which is to serve as the propaganda arm of the globalist NWO.”

    I would add, especially the zionazi interests aspect of the nwo. The zionist power configuration that James Petras analysed.

    • Replies: @Poco
  335. Alfred says:
    @lloyd

    As Boris Johnson (10 in photo) said, without the hospital care he would have died

    If you believe anything coming from Boris Johnson, you don’t know much about his background – or that of David Cameron (2 in photo). These guys practiced bestiality against a dead piglet as the entry fee to an exclusive Etonian drinking club.

    I think that fraternities have strange initiation rites in the USA, but this is at another level.

    • Replies: @vot tak
    , @lloyd
  336. wils says:

    Gilad, i understand theres some question of who you really are. if you dont mind, could i pose a couple questions to determine if you are a talmudic dissembler? 1. Agree or disagree, the talmud is one of the most evil doctrines ever created by the human mind. 2. Do you think a talmudic death cult state would be willing to kill millions thru biowar to become the predominant power in a globalist one world dictatorship?

    • Replies: @marsan267
  337. How about Skull and Bones? Masturbating in a casket while describing your fantasies to your “brothers” so the society owns your soul eternally.

    Freemasonry is running the nuts and bolts of the CV19 hoax for the Zionists. They have been performing the same types of dirty deeds on Christians and the entire goyim planet since the French Revolution, perhaps for ages. The question is why? For the third temple? For Revelation? For Satan? Because they are already slaves?

    The only real answer to me is that they are life time actors. They have sold their souls, and their destiny is tied to Satan. Those who rebel suffer hideous Talmudic vengeance. Hitler, Gaddafi, and Kennedy come to mind.

    Those who are too weak to rebel are life time actors whose entire soul is owned by these evil forces. Those who have sworn allegiance to this evil and do rebel usually suffer a horrible fate in this material world. The real question is whether your soul survives and what world it inhabits.

  338. @Paul C.

    It’s a dog and pony show to keep the masses divided and distracted from understanding who the real enemy is. That’s what the entire left/ right paradigm is.

    Well said, Paul C! I call it 2Party Political Charades which is a devious left/right game of “democracy” that the allegedly “exceptional” American sheep appear to fully embrace hook, line & sinker EVERY fcuking 4 YEARS!

    Truthfully, if Bernie or Tulsi were real American patriots, they’d immediately form a viable grassroots 3rd PARTY. I’d call it the Founding Father’s Constitution Party (F2CP).
    And its mandate? To follow the current Constitution to the LETTER.

    After F2CP wins by a landslide: #EndTheFed, issue our own currency & replicate North Dakota’s community banking/credit union system nationally, shut down all of Lord Ratchild’s crony alphabet agencies (especially FDA!). No more lobbying in politics EVER, no more “entangling alliances” as per the Founders, renege on ALL odious bankster debts, reinstate Glass-Steagal, universal healthcare, chop Offense (er Defense) budget to about $100B per year or LESS, a low flat income tax.

    I think I’d have a better chance of seeing a unicorn though – a pink one at that.

    • Replies: @Paul C.
  339. JimB says:

    By now, with the exception of President Trump and his Pompeo character, not many are convinced that Covid-19 is a Chinese Virus (as Trump refers to it when he wants to annoy progressives).

    Exactly whom are you trying to gaslight?

  340. vot tak says:
    @Alfred

    That photo always busts me up. 😀

    10 little gay boys trying hard as they can to look rough and tough and macho. That photo is a metaphor for the crud running britain for many centuries now.

  341. lloyd says: • Website
    @Alfred

    These elite University clubs in England sharpened their debating skills and riotous behaviour. There was a natural progress from there to Parliament and the ignominy they have now left the U.K . That looks like Boris 10 at the front. The death rate of coronavirus in New Zealand is now nine. Five died on the same night from the same rest home. It seems the ventilators are killing them. That was never given to Boris who had round the clock nursing care.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  342. lloyd says: • Website

    My numbers above are a bit out. Four died yesterday. Six of the nine deaths are from the same rest home. When I write about New Zealand for a non New Zealand readership, it often sounds ridiculous. A whole country in mournful shut down over a cluster of deaths from a rest home. There was until very recently no quarentiniing of arrivals into New Zealand except for self imposed self isolation. Coronavirus is now at loose among us. An enemy greater than any organism.

  343. anastasia says:

    A scam demic that no one sees. I hope they wear masks always. It’s a great moron alert

    https://153news.net/watch_video.php?v=AMG1UBKDG9OH

    https://153news.net/watch_video.php?v=AUSN248DAHSW

  344. @lloyd

    lloyd,

    They don’t call it the “old boys network” for nothing – it all goes back to “the daisy chain” or “the train” as some call it. They no doubt scratch each other’s backs too while they’re at it.

  345. @Johnny Walker Read

    It’s is not just an anti-vaxxer low traffic website saying the 1918-1919 Spanish Flu was a vaccine-caused bacterial epidemic and not influenza, but a PBS WGBH American Experience documentary for broadcast TV:
    https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/films/influenza/

    AIRED JANUARY 2, 2018
    Influenza 1918
    Film Description
    In September of 1918, soldiers at an army base near Boston suddenly began to die. The cause of death was identified as influenza, but it was unlike any strain ever seen. As the killer virus spread across the country, hospitals overfilled, death carts roamed the streets and helpless city officials dug mass graves. It was the worst epidemic in American history, killing over 600,000 — until it disappeared as mysteriously as it had begun.

    • Thanks: Johnny Walker Read
  346. Alfred says:

    Just watch how they generate hysteria. A ship with 6000 military personnel. 600 test positive. Unknown number fall seriously ill. One dies. I would guess he was the fattest sailor on the ship. They don’t give any details. But sailors are not supposed to die. It proves that the captain who was sacked was right.

    My disgust with these people is unlimited. What would the sailors of the battle of the Coral Sea have made of this?

    A member of the crew of the coronavirus-infected USS Theodore Roosevelt has died of complications related to the disease, 11 days after the aircraft carrier’s captain was fired for pressing his concern that the US navy had done too little to safeguard his crew. The sailor was the first active-duty military member to die of Covid-19.

    Sailor dies from Covid-19 and almost 600 test positive after outbreak on USS Theodore Roosevelt

    • Replies: @Johnny Walker Read
  347. Poco says:
    @vot tak

    Over the last several years the NWO media has propagated the story of how important worldwide supply chains and China are. This is why we cannot have borders and companies must be free to move their manufacturing to China or anywhere else.
    Is it your contention that the NWO has changed their tactics and now believe the best way to implement their plans is to demonize Chinese? Have they decided to give up on China as part of their NWO? So now, China and Russia are out. That’s not very globalist. The two largest countries in the Eastern Hemisphere.

  348. anastasia says:

    Predicted in 2014 and the reason for it.

    • Thanks: refl
  349. @Daniel Rich

    Judaism is a religion of hate. Don’t expect any compassion, especially when dealing with goys…

    It’s not really a religion because there is no deity other than the jews themselves. Compassion for goyim is foolishness because the only reason for their existence is to serve their masters, the jews.

    There’s a passage in the Zohar or Kaballah somewhere where the rabbis convince themselves that they have come to rule over God, who is their inferior. It’s not easily found in Hoffman’s Judaism Discovered or Dilling’s Plot Against Christianity so maybe it was Israel Shahak or Rev. Ted Pike.

    • Replies: @Mehen
  350. Wally says:
    @Erebus

    said:
    “Reading Breitbart leads to error. ”

    – Except Breitbart is not the source of the information. Please pay attention.

    you said:
    ” The fact you’re missing is that white African passport holders fell under the same rules and were tested as well, so the charge of racism dilutes to insignificance.”

    – So the Chinese are xenophobic & racist against blacks and whites.

    Thanks for confirming my point.

  351. Iris says:
    @David riskanalyst

    Larry Klayman Wants Int’l Criminal Court to Investigate China Over Alleged Coronavirus ‘Bioweapon’

    What is the origin of the Larry Klayman’s name? Eskimo, as in “Larry Silverstein”?

    So Eskimos are waging war agaisnt China while shielding behind the USA. The same story happened already in 1933.

  352. @Alfred

    Some sailors caught a cold, scuttle the ship!!

  353. annamaria says:
    @David riskanalyst

    “Klayman is currently suing the Chinese government for $2o trillion in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Texas.”

    Let the Klayman et al try. Then it will be a time for Iraq, Libya, Afganistan, Syria, former Yugoslavia et cet. to demand reparations.
    For example, the use of depleted uranium in Falluja alone would require very expensive decontamination. As for the Texan X-tian, if they feel so righteous then they should take care of the deformed Iraqi children, the victims of the US use of depleted uranium. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/19/us-depleted-uranium-weapons-civilian-areas-iraq

    US forces fired depleted uranium (DU) weapons at civilian areas and troops in Iraq … the data shows that many of the DU rounds were fired in or near populated areas of Iraq, including As Samawah, Nasiriyah and Basrah.

    Hey, Bible belt, here are the results of your beloved ziocons’ activities in the Middle East: https://theintercept.com/2019/11/25/iraq-children-birth-defects-military/

    More than a decade and a half after the 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq, a new study found that babies are being born today with gruesome birth defects connected to the ongoing American military presence there. The report, issued by a team of independent medical researchers and published in the journal Environmental Pollution, examined congenital anomalies recorded in Iraqi babies born near Tallil Air Base, a base operated by the U.S.-led foreign military coalition.

    According to the study, babies showing severe birth defects — including neurological problems, congenital heart disease, and paralyzed or missing limbs — also had corresponding elevated levels of a radioactive compound known as thorium in their bodies.

    … the new findings contribute to a growing body of evidence about the serious long-term health impact of U.S. military operations on Iraqi civilians. … Not only does the U.S. military lead the world in carbon output, but its prodigious presence around the globe leaves a toxic trail of chemicals that local communities have to deal with, from so-called burn pits on bases releasing poisonous smoke to the radiation of depleted uranium rounds mutating the DNA of nearby populations.

    The bombing of Yugoslavia had been initiated by President Bill Clinton.
    https://www.ceas-serbia.org/en/external/7596-nato-use-of-depleted-uranium-in-bombing-yugoslavia-was-ecocide-on-planetary-scale-expert

    “NATO use of depleted uranium in bombing Yugoslavia was ecocide on a planetary scale:”

    about 15 tonnes of depleted uranium were dropped on Serbia during the three months of the NATO aggression. After that, Serbia has seen the highest rate of malicious tumors in Europe, with more than 30,000 people diagnosed with cancer in the first 10 years since the bombing. Between 10,000 and 18,000 of them died.

    Yes, Klayman ICC Complaint by Law&Crime on Scribd should initiate the procedure. At least, this will open a conversation on the enormity of crimes against humanity conducted by the US during the last 70 years.

    • Agree: Robjil, Black Picard
    • Thanks: Iris, Alfred
    • Replies: @bjondo
  354. Iris says:

    Why did Israel not share its Covid-19 genetic information?

    GISAID is an Initiative promoting the international sharing of all influenza virus genetic sequences, as well as all related epidemiological data, to help researchers understand how the viruses evolve, spread and potentially become pandemics.

    https://www.gisaid.org/

    In particular, GISAID maintains a global database compiling thousands of SARS-CoV-2 genomes, decoded and contributed by clinicians and researchers from across the world. This genetic information is available for free to any scientist undertaking a study.

    GISAID is maintained by Germany, with funding from the EU and the USA.

    While GISAID data can be utilised by any researcher, they partner in particular with NextStrain, a team of biologist and programmers who run their own phylogenetic simulation for SARS-CoV-2; this is an attempted “family tree” and evolutionary path of the Covid-19, a representation of the steps it goes through while mutating.

    By 18th March 2020, NextStrain issued their last updated virus’ phylogenetic tree, made out of 3123 samples, for which as many as 56 countries analysed and uploaded their strain of the virus.

    Some “shithole” countries (sarcasm intended) contributed really well to this very important scientific effort, with Congo and Senegal providing 36 and 23 genomes respectively.

    Israel, a self-celebrated beacon of science, as well as the earliest candidate to producing a vaccine, provided no genome. Zero, none whatsoever.

    What does Israel have to hide? Why did it not provide any information on the virus strain prevalent in the Zionist state? Is it because the Zionist state was deliberately infected with a more benign strain to build herd immunity?

    • Thanks: Robjil, Alfred
    • Replies: @Wally
  355. aandrews says:


    Trump’s Rabbi-Doctor Coronavirus Miracle Cure | YouTube

    Donald Trump Reportedly Ignoring Medical Experts After Jared Kushner Touts Experimental Treatments
    March 23, 2020

    According to several sources who spoke with the magazine, Trump feels as though he can disregard the information he is getting from Fauci because White House adviser Kushner is giving him details about treatments being explored in Silicon Valley.

    “Jared is bringing conspiracy theories to Trump about potential treatments,” one Republican said.

    Kushner has reportedly tried to tell Trump that the pandemic isn’t as big a deal as it’s being made out to be, and the information is apparently what the president wants to hear.

    “Trump is like an 11-year-old boy waiting for the fairy godmother to bring him a magic pill,” a former West Wing official added.

    Kushner’s apparent meddling has reportedly angered Vice President Mike Pence, who was put in place to lead the coronavirus task force, according to several sources. However, one source says that Pence is too smart to openly contradict Trump and his family members.

    • LOL: Trinity
    • Replies: @aandrews
  356. Half Back says:
    @Sean

    Your a fucking nut! Please excuse yourself from humanity.

  357. Wally says:
    @Iris

    The scam continues:

    Millions of Dollars to Fake “Holocaust Survivors” for Coronavirus
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=13206

  358. aandrews says:
    @aandrews

    He Went to Jared
    Heaven help us, we’re at the mercy of the Slim Suit crowd.
    Maureen Dowd
    April 4, 2020

    • Replies: @Wally
  359. marsan267 says:
    @wils

    How about one more? Please rank the following in terms their dangerousness to the world: Islamic extremism, white supremacy, Talmudist supremacy.

  360. Mehen says:
    @David riskanalyst

    There’s a passage in the Zohar or Kaballah somewhere where the rabbis convince themselves that they have come to rule over God, who is their inferior. It’s not easily found in Hoffman’s Judaism Discovered or Dilling’s Plot Against Christianity so maybe it was Israel Shahak or Rev. Ted Pike.

    This might have some relation to Gnosticism’s “Demiurge”

  361. aandrews says:
    @Commentator Mike

    I mask up when I go to the grocery store (or anywhere grocery store-like), with an N100 respirator I bought when the SARS freakout was on. I also wear wrap-around safety glasses. And I get in and get out and don’t lollygag. I don’t want to encounter a large viral exposure. I think everyone is eventually going to be exposed to this crap and I want to be able to build immunity and not be swamped by over-exposure. I’m in excellent health, but I want a small, inoculation dose, please. There’s no downside to being risk averse, which is my default setting anyhow.

    • Replies: @Johnny Walker Read
  362. Paul C. says:
    @Black Picard

    Thanks. Sign me up for the F2CP!!

  363. Sean says:
    @skrik

    As Fauci has explained, the Chinese announced on the 7th of January that the Wuhan disease was only caught from animals and did not spread person to person. As late as the the 24th of January Fauci was saying in a briefing for senators and a later press conference that there was no real threat to the US. During this time the Chinese were demanding that international flights from China be accepted by other countries but banned all internal flights from Wuhan. We must draw our own conclusions about what kind of language China will understand.

    • Replies: @JoeKerr
    , @skrik
    , @antibeast
  364. Wally says:
    @aandrews

    As opposed to empty suit, Barack ‘I support Biden’ Obama.

    recommended:

    The Beatification of Barack Obama:
    https://off-guardian.org/2017/01/15/the-beatification-of-barack-obama/?fbclid=IwAR2Z4eREh-jv0iXm4T5CeZob6015g7v6v7VMR4N8k3VenX0dPvqCHv5Uq6U

    • Replies: @aandrews
  365. antibeast says:
    @Sparkon

    According to the work of the EcoHealth Alliance, there have been a number of low-level infections from coronaviruses that have been circulating for some time among villagers living in proximity to bat caves in China, and one of those viruses designated RaTG13 is 96% the same as the virus causing COVID-19 — SARS-CoV-2 — which reportedly has (at least) eight strains, of which the A, B, and C strains are the most widespread.

    Dude, you forgot to add that RaTG13 is the name of the bat coronavirus found in Yunnan not Hubei where Wuhan is located. You also didn’t mention that both US and Chinese scientists took those bat coronaviruses and performed “Gain-of-Function” research by spiking the bat RNAs to create chimeras which had the ability to infect humans. They published their results back in 2015.

    As far as is known presently, the first strain began in China. The initial association was with a Wuhan seafood market, but further research showed that about 1/3 of the original patients had no connection with the market, including the earliest known patient.

    Both the Wuhan Seafood Market and the Out-of-Wuhan theories have been disproved by scientific evidence. The first strain called “Type A” did not appear among Chinese residents but only among US residents in Wuhan. The second strain called “Type B” was found to infect Chinese residents in Wuhan while the third strain called “Type C” was found in Italy, HK and Singapore. Only the USA had ALL five strains including those three major Types A, B and C. The original strain Type A was found in Australia and the US West Coast but nowhere else. How did Type A infect Australia? Carnival Cruise ships sailing the US West Coast brought the Type A virus to Australia.

    I’m not much impressed with Dr. Pekova’s arguments. She’s just one educated professional dame with an opinion, and not an irrefutable or infallible authority.

    Quite the contrary, Dr. Pekova looked fabulously brilliant — one of the world’s top molecular biologists — from the Czech Republic who taught at Harvard. She was saying that the “brains” (or her term “control room”) of the Covid-19 virus had strange mutations which are “atypical”. She also qualified her statement that although it was possible for human actors to enter the “control room” and manipulate the “brains” inside, she couldn’t imagine that happening because that would be extremely dangerous because of its potential side-effects.

    • Replies: @Sean
  366. vot tak says:

    Trump halts WHO funding, accuses health body of conspiring with China to ‘cover up’ Covid-19 outbreak

    https://www.rt.com/news/485825-trump-halts-who-funding-covid-19/

    “US President Donald Trump has cut funding for the World Health Organization, insisting the agency be held accountable for its ‘failures’ in responding to the Covid-19 crisis, and accusing it of promoting ‘Chinese disinformation’.

    Addressing President Trump’s previous threat to pull WHO’s funding, director-general Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus urged him not to “politicize the virus,” warning it would only result in “many more body bags.”

    Keep in mind that trump, and his corrupt regime, are israel’s property. More specifically, they tepresent the israeli likud freakshow (netanyahoo and related subhuman garbage). Most of what trump says and the policies his regime follow, originate from tel aviv. Trump’s cowardly “blame China” campaign, duplicated by the zionazi western media (commonly misnamed the msm) is israeli psywar.

  367. @Tor597

    Americans in fact do eat bat.

    That’s racist.

  368. vot tak says:

    A lethal brew: Israel’s racism and the COVID-19 pandemic

    https://gulfnews.com/opinion/op-eds/a-lethal-brew-israels-racism-and-the-covid-19-pandemic-1.70931091

    “Lack of coronavirus testing

    At the end of March, Israel opened drive-through coronavirus testing stations throughout the country. None, however, were initially placed in Arab communities. When Israel finally established lockdowns to control the spread of the virus, the lockdowns did not include Arab population centres. So while Israel’s Palestinian Arab citizens are on the frontlines fighting the pandemic — about one-fifth of all Israeli doctors and one-quarter of all nurses are Arab — their communities are horribly underserved. Experts therefore dismiss reports indicating low infection rates among the Arab population since these most likely are the result of a lack of testing. According to an Israeli press account, as of early April, only 6,500 Arab citizens of Israel had been tested as opposed to over 80,000 Israeli Jews.

    The situation confronting Palestinians in occupied territories is, of course, significantly worse owing to the persistence of the occupation. The Israeli military continues violent nightly raids on Palestinian towns and villages — more than 200 in the last month alone. These raids are accompanied by beatings, shootings, and arrests of scores of Palestinians. Added to this are the unchecked incidents of settler violence against Palestinians in the West Bank. These have also accelerated in recent weeks — with 20 especially violent attacks occurring last month. There are also reports from Israeli human rights groups of Israeli troops confiscating medical supplies and materials that were intended to build a needed field hospital in the West Bank.

    Meanwhile, the Palestinian National Authority, which is already reeling from economic shortages, will now face the additional hardship of the tens of thousands of Palestinian labourers who have been forced to give up their jobs in Israel and return to their West Bank homes. The conditions to which they were subjected while in Israel had become deplorable as a result of the coronavirus lockdowns. They were denied wages, food, and medical care. And, as they have returned to the West Bank, the number of cases of individuals infected by the virus has risen in the territories.”

    • Replies: @Half Back
  369. bjondo says:
    @annamaria

    He was born to Jewish parents, and identifies himself as “both a Jew and a Christian”

    He also identifies both as male and female; honest and dishonest; this and that.

    Ole Larry so funny.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Klayman

    Sue Israel, Klayman.

    Heard China will pay you in depleted uranium.

    5 dancing shlomos

  370. Jiminy says:

    Concerning where Antibeast wrote that cruise ships brought the virus to Australia. If you look at the 2019 flu graph for Aus. it appears that it started early in the year on a higher than normal figure and peaked higher and a lot earlier than previous years, months earlier. And the heading for the graph was flu- like symptoms. I wonder if last years flu season in Aus. was a foreboding sign of things to come. And on a lighter note, I think a lot of Americans eat beaver as well , but that isn’t racist, is it?

    • Replies: @Alfred
    , @antibeast
  371. Sean says:
    @antibeast

    Gregory Cochran:.

    AT this point, the virus population will experience selection for variants with increased capacity to spread through the human population.”

    Covid-19 has been not in humans very long and is probably changing fairly rapidly.

    There are already two distinct types of COVID-19 pathogen. The original was Type ‘S’, and it is mild. The newer Type ‘L’ is much more specialised to infect humans and much more lethal. See here. God know what it might turn into in the detention camps.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  372. JoeKerr says:
    @Sean

    China informed the U.S. Consulate in Wuhan on Jan.3rd, and the WHO on Dec. 31st. Dr. Fauci… isn’t he the dude that warned Trump of a surprise pandemic in 2017?

  373. Erebus says:
    @Sparkon

    The simplest explanation is that SARS-CoV-2 had a natural origin.

    It may have had a natural origin, but that’s certainly not the simplest explanation . Re-purposing the result of a complex process is always simpler than the complex process itself. I can easily build a log cabin, but the process that made the trees I re-purposed is currently beyond human comprehension. IOW, my log cabin has a natural origin, but it ain’t natural.

    Please pay particular attention to those statistics from Pew…

    When I pay attention to them, what immediately strikes me is how similar the results are to surveys on 9/11.

    Surveys of this sort are nothing more than a snapshot indicating how deeply, and into which subset of the population the narrative in question has penetrated. Invariably, and unsurprisingly it penetrates most quickly and deeply into that part of the population which considers it important to be “informed”, and who (not coincidentally) has the most invested in conforming to the generally accepted narrative.

    In general, the more complex and arcane the matter in question, the easier it is to push a narrative into that part of the population that will accept and sustain it, and the less likely the survey’s results will reflect the truth of the matter.

    Mutation is what viruses do, and every year there are new strains of influenza viruses circulating and making people ill.

    Sure, but therein lies the rub. SARS-2 is not a new strain of an existing virus. It is distinct, a new “species” of corona virus.

    I’m not much impressed with Dr. Pekova’s arguments.She’s just one educated professional dame with an opinion, and not an irrefutable or infallible authority.

    Well, nobody’s irrefutable or infallible and I didn’t hear her making any arguments either (in fact she explicitly refused to). I did hear her make a distinction and an observation. A distinction and an observation, moreover that could prove critical in getting to the heart of the matter and that no other researcher I’ve come across has made. If those hold up, I suspect she’s pointing to a trail other researchers will eventually follow, or would if not impeded by political considerations.

    No one could imagine a Platypus Duckbill (or) those deep-sea tube worms living around volcanic vents on the ocean floor

    No-one could, or no-one did? There’s a chasm-wide void between the two. All manner of fantastic creatures have in fact been imagined that haven’t been found in nature. No surprise in that. That there’s some in nature that nobody’s yet got around to imagining is equally unsurprising. Sometimes nature beats us to the punch.

    FWIW, here’s my nutshell sized understanding of why Dr. Pekova may be on to something…

    Talking about SARS-2 having a 90%/94%/98% identical genome to a bat/pangolin virus is almost meaningless. Humans and bananas share ~50% of their DNA. WTF? Sounds amazing, but in fact they share <1% of the DNA that makes a banana a banana and a human a human. Without that distinction between the DNA that defines the organism, the peripheral DNA that sustains it, and the DNA that's an artefact of long gone ancestors, the sort of "9x%" arguments made in the media tell us less than nothing.

    Put differently, there's a qualitative difference between a human and a chimpanzee, but there’s <1% difference between their DNAs and only a small fraction of that defines each of them.

    Viruses mutate rapidly in those regions of the genome where it pays them to mutate rapidly, namely in the regions where the proteins that make up its shell and engage the target cell are encoded. Target organisms defend themselves primarily by preventing engagement. As the latter can only be reactive, so it pays the virus to change its modes of engagement as often as possible in much the same way as weapons development occurs in a continuous spiral of reactions to developments by the opposition. Corona viruses can do this rapidly as RNA is not as stable as DNA and those regions that encode proteins are the least stable part of its genome. The new strains of corona “common cold” viruses that appear yearly are invariably one of a known series of viruses with relatively stable genetic cores that appeared the year before, with a new means of engagement.

    SARS-2 is different because the core of its genome, the region that defines it, is qualitatively different. The core controls the virus’ replication and so tends to mutate slowly in small increments as any mutation that impedes replication naturally kills the virus. This is not controversial. Dr. Pekova noted that SARS-2’s defining core looks radically different from all others. So radical is the difference, she says, that a genetic series of antecedent corona viruses is hard to imagine.

    I’m fully aware that that may simply indicate that she’s unimaginative. As only the unimaginative think they’ve seen everything, that would be my primary concern about Dr. Pekova.

    OTOH, her observation may prove critical and the answer to whether it was “engineered” or “natural” lies not in the SARS-2 genome’s protein encoding regions, but in that <1% (or whatever) difference in its genome that makes SARS-2 as qualitatively different from the common cold viruses as a human from a chimpanzee.

    • Thanks: Herald
  374. Alfred says:
    @Jiminy

    If you look at the 2019 flu graph for Australia

    How about offering us some links? please!

    • Replies: @Jiminy
  375. antibeast says:
    @Jiminy

    Concerning where Antibeast wrote that cruise ships brought the virus to Australia. If you look at the 2019 flu graph for Aus. it appears that it started early in the year on a higher than normal figure and peaked higher and a lot earlier than previous years, months earlier. And the heading for the graph was flu- like symptoms. I wonder if last years flu season in Aus. was a foreboding sign of things to come. And on a lighter note, I think a lot of Americans eat beaver as well , but that isn’t racist, is it?

    We won’t know anything until mass testing is done to prove the prevalence of Covid-19 antibodies in Australia. From the initial reports of Covid-19 infections in Australia, scientific evidence based on epidemiological data proves the causal relationship between the Covid-19 cases in the USA and Australia.

    Contrary to the Western propaganda, there is nothing wrong with live animal markets or eating wild animals, which the Western Media have demonized as “primitive” and “barbaric”, allegedly causing viral pandemics. There is no scientific evidence to prove that live animal markets or eating wild animals — which have been around for thousands of years in human societies — cause viral pandemics. In fact, it’s better for farm animals to be raised in small family farms because they’re allowed to roam in their pens which is not possible in industrial farms where animals are packed together. This is just Western propaganda in favor Corporate Agriculture and Industrial Farming.

    Think about it: why depend on Capitalist ownership of your food supply? Do you know what kind of chemicals they’re putting in your food supply? If your family owns several acres of land, what’s wrong with raising your own farm animals and then selling them to live animal markets? What’s wrong with hunting and fishing and then eating wild animals or wild fish? Real cowboys raise their own farm animals and breed their own horses. What’s wrong with that?

    • Replies: @Malla
  376. Anonymous[244] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    Peter Forster from Cambridge University says that the original ancestral strain type “A” of COVID-19 is from the US:

    • Replies: @skrik
  377. skrik says:
    @Sean

    what kind of language China will understand

    Coming from the US, bombs of course. Or, send in the Marines. Oh! Looks like they already did. rgds

    PS This just in, santé!

  378. @Erebus

    It depends what you want to measure …for me, fatality ratio (number of ‘alleged’ CV fatals/number of ‘alleged’ CV infected) is currently the best method to measure herd immunity. In that regard timeline doesn’t matter at all. The smaller the number the more immunity (to current strain) we should expect in a given region…

    • Replies: @Erebus
  379. Jiminy says:
    @Alfred

    The graph that I referred to is on the “health direct.gov.au” site and its subheading is flu trends in Australia. And one surprising fact that I read is that 5 people a week died in Queensland from the flu last year. Apparently it was a bad year. But surprisingly there was no hysteria at the time. Strangely it makes a mention of influenza- like illness with the graph.

  380. antibeast says:
    @Sean

    As Fauci has explained, the Chinese announced on the 7th of January that the Wuhan disease was only caught from animals and did not spread person to person. As late as the the 24th of January Fauci was saying in a briefing for senators and a later press conference that there was no real threat to the US. During this time the Chinese were demanding that international flights from China be accepted by other countries but banned all internal flights from Wuhan. We must draw our own conclusions about what kind of language China will understand.

    China notified the WHO as early as December 31st, 2019 and the USA as early as Jan. 3rd., 2020. What China did afterwards was to try to find the zoonotic origin of the virus, study the pathogenesis of the virus, sequence the RNA of the virus, etc. which took Chinese scientists a few weeks to accomplish. Foreign governments — not China — had to decide what kind or to what extent they are going to implement precautionary measures such as passenger screening/quarantine, lockdowns, wearing face masks, etc. East Asia mostly took precautionary measures in early January which saved them a lot of remorse later on. On the other hand, Western countries including the USA sat on their butts for two to three months — from early January to mid-March — when they should have implemented those precautionary measures. The Western Media in particular tried to exploit the situation by demonizing “bat-soup eating” Chinese which turned out to be “fake news”. China had the right to complain about the racist caricatures in the Western Media which resulted in the banning of flights to/from China. The USA, Italy and Australia banned China flights as early as Feb. 1st but they didn’t undertake precautionary measures to contain the viral pandemic which was already underway in those three countries. And as it turned out, China was not the original source of the viral infections in those three countries who had a false sense of security because they never expected other sources of viral infections after banning the China flights.

  381. Erebus says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    It depends what you want to measure …for me, fatality ratio (number of ‘alleged’ CV fatals/number of ‘alleged’ CV infected) is currently the best method to measure herd immunity.

    As it takes about 3wks to resolve a case, deaths lag case numbers by about 3wks, so a closer approximation to “herd immunity” would be to divide deaths by the number of cases 3 wks previous. In Israel’s case, that would be 126/1200 (Mar 24), yielding a death rate >10%. Nothing spectacular.

    With the 3 wk lag, 3 wks into its epidemic a country could theoretically have 1000 cases and zero deaths, suggesting 100% herd immunity. 3 wks after that, of course things would look different, so it very much depends on the point a country is at on its epidemic trajectory.

    Parenthetically, even by your measure Russia’s herd immunity is significantly better than Israel’s. Using a 3wk lag, Russia is far, far better. Israel’s numbers just don’t look as good as you seem to think they do.

    • Replies: @Gilad Atzmon
  382. emplar says:
    @Sean

    China is not Demonland. Israel is. This is their “race specific biowar” foretold in the PNAC docs. But everyone is afraid of being ‘wished into the corn’. Their is no end to Israevil’s evil.

    • Agree: annamaria
  383. skrik says:
    @Anonymous

    This is Forster et al’s result in ‘graphic’ form (1st mentioned by Levtraro; thnx):Note that it shows a v.long way from bat to “A” but AFAIK, nobody has presented any proof that “A” first appeared in the US, although on another ‘hand,’ we have ‘heard’ that of 5 versions, only the US hosts all of those 5.

    ‘At any crime-scene, one may consider means, motive and opportunity, but a more complete list includes premeditation, presence, any modus operandi and cui bono?

    There are at most 3 countries as suspects, all of which have hi-power bio-labs; perhaps it comes down to a) motive, b) form plus c) cui bono?

    • Agree: Herald
  384. @aandrews

    Yes, Wal-Mart shoppers cannot be too careful!!

  385. The false flag attacks on 9/11 were years in the planning . It takes years to assemble the pieces to pull off a planned-demic and Dr.James Fetzer explains in “How to create a fake pandemic”jamesfetzer.org the ways it could be done.. “Dr.Fauci warned in 2017 of ‘surprise outbreak’ during Trump administration” huffpost.com . Interestingly just a couple of months later Trump tweeted “covfefe” and his press secretary at the time confirmed that it was not a spelling mistake and the meaning of it was known to a small group of people . Trump said it might have a “deep meaning”. Had Trump been given an advance briefing on the coming plandemic when he tweeted out “covfefe” ? It could very well have been an obscure reference to the Coronavirus and COVID-19:
    COV=Coronavirus
    FeFe is a hydrogenase used in processes for the production of bactrium , RNA or viral strands !

    • Agree: Desert Fox
  386. @annamaria

    For some reason Global Research has scrubbed that article from the link. I wonder why. Probably some threat of a lawsuit or worse. Thanks for the quotes.

  387. @Erebus

    I am afraid that your offering may not give us any indication re herd immunity as those who die today may not even been on the carriers list 3 weeks ago. Also those who appear as CV 19 positive may ve contracted the virus a week ago or 2 months ago.. I still believe that ratio I am offering produces a very good indication of herd immunity in a given region with the numbers that are available for us.

    I would agree that in the early stage of the pandemic such a ratio may be useless but once we pass the peak it becomes a very useful tool.

    We can easily improve the model once we start to measure the distribution of the virus within the general society …By taking such a step we can measure accurately the death rate associated with the virus in comparison with the level of distribution of the disease.

    At the moment the indication about the numbers of the carriers is determined by the number of tests each state decides to do… This is pretty arbitrary and indeed problematic as I mention in the paper …

  388. aandrews says:
    @Wally

    That link was tied into the previous post (#364) and the link to the Inquisitor.

    “I’ve been telling the president things he doesn’t want to hear,” Fauci said to New York Times reporter Maureen Dowd.

    So I tracked down Dowd’s column.

    Obama is ancient history. Fuck him. On CNBC this morning, as Jim Cramer was flipping his lid, per usual, I caught him saying that Tesla is a recommended investment (Tesla is a fucking scam), according to some rating agency (I had my attention divided), and did so in a shitty, sarcastic way, carefully, since he’d like to keep his job, and then ended his tirade with, “there’s going to be a depression!” That’s bizarre! I’m fairly certain that under the current circumstances the direction from CNBC to their talking heads is, ick-snay and the depression-say! The people currently running this country are so incompetent, I’m kinda thankful this is *only* a pandemic and not a surprise military attack and invasion!

  389. I suppose that this is just a coincidence:

  390. The only crime is this:

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

    versus this:

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/china/

    Compare the graphs therein for deaths and cases, convert to per capita to get the real picture, and repeat for any other western country on https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    Why can’t we have the good things in life, even life itself? Our governments are murderers, mass murderers!

    • Agree: Iris, thetruth
    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
    , @Jiminy
  391. @Commentator Mike

    To preempt Wally and others criticising this data, I’m willing to concede that the Chinese may be lying, but also that the US and others may be lying about their own data.

    I’ve read that China may have murdered between 4 million and 20 million Covid-19 patients in about two months, which would make it the biggest crime in history, and if it can be proven I’d have to revise my assessment and accuse them of being the mass murderers. But I want this demonstrated by reputable international and national medical authorities, and not by journalists and crackpot websites.

    I know many people question why Russia covered up for NASA’s fake moon landings or didn’t expose who was really behind 911, but this is a global pandemic and we’re all in this together. That medical authorities the world over are covering for this alleged Chinese monstrosity seems hard to believe, especially when many are ratcheting up hostility to China because of other reasons including faulty equipment sold or donated abroad, as well as the ongoing trade war.

  392. Jiminy says:
    @Commentator Mike

    I suppose I have to state the obvious. If a country does not have compulsory voting, for example USA, and people would rather sit at home watching days of our lives, then the public ends up with the government that they deserve. If people go and vote in the next election, even if it’s a protest vote because of a lack of choice candidates, then it sends a message to the elite and puts them on notice. It’s like the politician is saying to the public,” don’t bother to vote this time, you can trust me. I’ll look after your interest.”

    • Replies: @Seraphim
    , @secondElijah
  393. WHEN A #PLANDEMIC BECOMES A #SHAMDEMIC

    There is evidence that the US Centers for Disease Control (CDC), as well as the governments of Italy and China – and thus likely many other governments – are or have been essentially cooking their COVID books to fake an epidemic by falsely counting deaths from other conditions as COVID or “COVID-associated” deaths. The Chinese in particular appear to have faked the virus, as they have neither isolated, photographed or biochemically and structurally characterized it, nor have they or world scientists subjected it to peer review. A UC Davis “genomic data scientist” computer-modeled the presumed new virus’s structure.

    In reality this may have more to do with the existential question of the virus, very interesting material about which is still forthcoming. Suffice it to say preliminarily: One cannot culture and grow a virus in a petri dish like a bacterium can be grown. This is well known to scientists. Culturing a virus requires the addition of other cells, which are then, if there are “cytopathic” changes to the cell, presumed to have been caused by what is presumed to be a virus.

    https://jamesfetzer.org/2020/04/guest-post-when-a-plandemic-becomes-a-shamdemic/

    • Thanks: refl
  394. Half Back says:
    @vot tak

    **** No evidence****** However ,

    MERS

    Middle East Respiratory Syndrome

    First it was thought to originated from Saudi Arabia but latter tracing found it originated in Jordan.
    What country borders Jordan? Why Israel of course! Does Israel have a bio weapon program and laboratory. Yes.

    Jerome Hauer Anthrax vaccinator/ His mother, Rose Muscatine Hauer Bio Weapon Expert.

    Did Israel participate in the Military Games in Wuhan?

    If MERS was a Israeli plot then why not China. It’s not like they are going to caught and they seem to get away with outrageous criminal behavior. Blow back upon Israel could be explained by as with MERS it did not boomerang back. Also they might think like SARS 2003/4 it would stay mainly in China. Investigation of MERS as a bio weapon assault upon Muslims population is needed!
    I know they say and It did come from Camels. How many camels are they in Israel? Zero? So low possibility of infecting you know who.

    • Replies: @Erebus
  395. Seraphim says:
    @Jiminy

    Australia has compulsory voting and therefore the voters are paying more attention to the substance of partys’ programs. Many elections have been a total surprise for the pollsters who predicted with great certainty the victory of such or such party.

  396. DTT says:
    @PeterMX

    No Peter, the spread itself is not at all surprising, given how many people are traveling. in fact it is quite slow to some parts eg Africa. Planes and airports are virus spread hubs.

    However there are some issues with Iran. You are in fact not quite correct – Iran is a tourist hub for many – especially Italians, Spanish, Russians and even Australians. it is just travelers from USA and UK and Canada that are seriously discouraged.

    My own suspicion is that there are two strains of the virus (there are L & S according the China) – One is mild and is in a sense a “vaccine”. This was released in the USA and spread quite widely on the West coast (or it was accidentally released there). It is this one that got to Korea, Japan, Taiwan and the west coast of the USA. Knowing that this virus was released was the reason that some countries were dismissive and talked of “herd”immunity.

    The second strain is much more virulent and it was this strain that was released probably in Iran. China may not have been the target. My guess is that it was expected by the evil fiends who made the virus that it would stay in Iran – maybe only spread to Shiite areas in Syria or Lebanon. After all there are not many US, UK, Canadian or Israeli tourists in Iran.

    However because they are not there and do not have much knowledge, the evil fiends did not realise that in fact there are thousands of European tourists in Iran – which is to be expected because the place is wonderful. So the nasty virus strain spread to Italy and Spain and France. It also spread to Wuhan because it is a university town, just the sort of place where Iranian students might go. That was when you started to see governments ditching “herd”immunity strategies, because the deadly strain got to the countries earlier than the ‘soft”stain.

    This would explain the very low death rates in Korea versus Italy and the difference between California and New York.

  397. Erebus says:
    @Half Back

    Did Israel participate in the Military Games in Wuhan?

    No.

    • Replies: @vot tak
  398. @tomo

    I’ve had several individuals tell me that they think they had it last fall. One of them said that his grandson in Sun Valley Idaho may have had it. Blaine County Idaho is now a hotspot.

  399. @Jiminy

    I have never heard such nonsense in my life. You think voting matters? Which planet do you live on? The USA has the most corrupt political system in the world (I wonder why?).

    I have never voted and I have lived in three different countries. I do not vote even when there is compulsory voting. I do not vote for religious reasons…..my allegiance lies elsewhere….I obey the law and pay my tax but I have never voted for any of them.

    I am so glad that I never voted. No one fought wars in my name. No one murdered in my name. No one implemented unjust laws in my name. No one oppressed the poor in my name.

    So, I ask all of you “voters” and “constitutionalists” and lovers of “democracy” and defenders of the republic……what difference did it make? Here we are facing full on fascism.

    People are very, very stupid……yea, you go cast your vote…..that will save you (lol).

  400. vot tak says:
    @Erebus

    No point for them to have. Why infect their own in a false flag op when there are plenty of colonials to use?

  401. hipcup12 says:
    @A123

    who in in world would believe anything americans say.

  402. dimples says:
    @dimples

    Of course I should point out that overwhelming evidence is in the eye of the beholder when politics is involved. My guess is that no overwhelming evidence of bioengineering will be found, even though it may or may not exist.

  403. dimples says:
    @Sparkon

    According to this article published in the Wall Street Journal, the virus RaTG13 IS the Wuhan coronavirus SARS-CoV-2, which is clearly not correct. Its only 96% similar.

    http://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/bats-behind-the-pandemic/

    This Chinese article states that SARS-CoV-2 has a large number of favorable mutations in the spike protein region that make it more infective. The RaTG13 virus was supposedly collected in 2013 from bat poo, but the genome never published until Jan/Feb 2020.

    https://bbs.wenxuecity.com/currentevent/2023495.html

    Well I don’t know but it looks dodgy to me.

    • Thanks: utu
  404. Derer says:
    @A123

    “WUHAN-19 has a long incubation period and is easy to transmit. The presence of BOTH of these characteristics is inconsistent with weaponization”

    You are naively assuming that those sinister creators are thinking rationally. Staring a war on a blaring lie or staring Muller’s inquiry from a fake dossier are much more irrational.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  405. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.14.20062463v1.full.pdf

    “Results

    The unadjusted prevalence of antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 in Santa Clara County was 1.5% (exact binomial 95CI 1.11-1.97%), and the population-weighted prevalence was 2.81% (95CI 2.24-3.37%). Under the three scenarios for test performance characteristics, the population prevalence of COVID-19 in Santa Clara ranged from 2.49% (95CI 1.80-3.17%) to 4.16% (2.58-5.70%). These prevalence estimates represent a range between 48,000 and 81,000 people infected in Santa Clara County by early April, 50- 85-fold more than the number of confirmed cases.

    Conclusions

    The population prevalence of SARS-CoV-2 antibodies in Santa Clara County implies that the infection is much more widespread than indicated by the number of confirmed cases. Population prevalence estimates can now be used to calibrate epidemic and mortality projections.”

  406. Frannie says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Medecins Sans Frontières:

    Quebec blocks Johanne Liu’s intention to intervene in Quebec’s nursing homes. WHY???? (I’ve seen false info e.g. lies on Assad and Syria being the aggressor on their website).

    Is ”Medecins Sans Frontières” working for NATO? WHat about Bernad Henry Levy in SOmalia? And Kouchner in Kosovo or Iran?

    The journalist sasy she’s infuriated by this, but if MSF works for NATO, Quebec has been right to bar her (?)

    https://www.journaldequebec.com/2020/04/19/pourquoi-se-priver-de-joanne-liu

  407. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    This is just Western propaganda in favor Corporate Agriculture and Industrial Farming.

    This is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Indians do not eat wild animals and you get some of the freshest food in India in all the world. There is no need to eat wild animal & dogs/cats to keep your food supply outside the reach of slimey globalists corporations.
    Indian media is rife and Indians are making fun of “barbarian” Chinese who eat anything too. Does this mean Indian food companies dream of taking over the Chinese food market? Do not be a fool.
    Obviously I do not support these racial caricatures of the Chinese. Indians are doing it as we Indians consider all non Indians “barbarians” to begin with (and a lot of that has to do with what food one eats) and because there was a lot of butt-hurt about China’s rise amongst Indians.
    I am aware that the number of Chinese people eating such “wild meats’ is very small and a lot of this practice became popular during the famine years during this century.

    But after the SARS epidemic last decade, the CCP government had plans to eventually wean off the people from eating wild meats and dogs/cats etc…There was unemployment to look at as a consequence. But anyways nothing came off it. I think the CCP and other governments should seriously take action in slowly outlawing this practice, irrespective of the fact that it caused the epidemic or not. Doing so will stand China well in the World’s eyes. And I mean seriously ending this practice, on the ground banning it, not “save face” style stopping it for show.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  408. antibeast says:
    @Malla

    This is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Indians do not eat wild animals and you get some of the freshest food in India in all the world. There is no need to eat wild animal & dogs/cats to keep your food supply outside the reach of slimey globalists corporations.

    Southeast Asians, Africans, Pacific Islanders, etc. eat wild animals of all kinds, as do Australians, Americans, Canadians, Nordics, etc. who hunt or fish for wild animals. There is nothing “barbaric” about hunting or eating wild animals as humans have been doing that for millennia.

    Indian media is rife and Indians are making fun of “barbarian” Chinese who eat anything too. Does this mean Indian food companies dream of taking over the Chinese food market? Do not be a fool.

    I wasn’t referring to India but to China which has seen the growth of corporate farming and industrial agriculture displacing small family-owned farms. China should protect small family-owned farms and support organic farming.

    Obviously I do not support these racial caricatures of the Chinese. Indians are doing it as we Indians consider all non Indians “barbarians” to begin with (and a lot of that has to do with what food one eats) and because there was a lot of butt-hurt about China’s rise amongst Indians.
    I am aware that the number of Chinese people eating such “wild meats’ is very small and a lot of this practice became popular during the famine years during this century.

    What Indians eat is irrelevant to my characterization of the Western Media’s propaganda campaign to demonize live animal markets and eating wild animals. The fact that only a small number of Chinese citizens on mainland China eat wild animals only proves my assertion above.

    But after the SARS epidemic last decade, the CCP government had plans to eventually wean off the people from eating wild meats and dogs/cats etc. There was unemployment to look at as a consequence. But anyways nothing came off it. I think the CCP and other governments should seriously take action in slowly outlawing this practice, irrespective of the fact that it caused the epidemic or not. Doing so will stand China well in the World’s eyes. And I mean seriously ending this practice, on the ground banning it, not “save face” style stopping it for show.

    I agree that the trade and consumption of certain wild animals should be banned for moral, cultural and environmental reasons if they’re endangered species or if they’re considered “taboo” by the general public. But to issue a blanket ban on the trade and consumption of wild animals would only make that trade illicit and turn it into yet another black market. It’s better to regulate the trade and consumption of wild animals than to ban it entirely.

  409. Seraphim says:
    @Derer

    Iraq’s WMD, anyone? Biological, at that. Never found, but does it really matter? Does it matter that Colin Powell lied through his teeth, albeit he felt ‘terrible’ about it?

  410. Herald says:
    @Anon

    No creating all these fantastic bioweapons, if nobody would ever be bold enough, or stupid enough to use them.

  411. Truth3 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Right…

    Lets not forget Meyer Lansky… Bugsy Siegel… Abe Rothstein… and thousands more.

    +

    Hundreds of Jewish Banks that launder the money.

    Every Hispanic named Guzman Nunez Lopez Rubinek etc. is descended from Jews.

    All the power in South America was from Jewish slave owners. Then, now, forever.

    They run the cartels.

    Nothing Catholic about it.

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