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Amid a new surge of COVID-19 in New York City’s Orthodox Jewish communities, NY Governor Andrew Cuomo decided to temporarily close public and private schools in several areas with large Orthodox populations.

Watch CBS’ News report:

Unsurprisingly some Jews are upset. Less surprising is the fact that a few Jewish leaders have pulled the ‘antisemitic card’ just to make themselves look spectacularly ridiculous, as the numbers aren’t exactly on their side.

The facts are unfortunately undeniable: top government officials, including Governor Cuomo and Mayor de Blasio, are alarmed by the sharp rise in C19 Cases in zip codes with large Orthodox Jewish communities in the boroughs of Brooklyn and Queens and in a couple of nearby counties.

The areas that are subject to the new measures represent 7% of the city’s population but have been responsible for about 20% of the new cases in the past four weeks. Orthodox Jewish communities are clearly statistically overrepresented and, at least within the context of the mainstream C19 paradigm, pose a danger to their neighbours as well as themselves.

Those who follow Israeli news aren’t surprised by the surge in C19 cases in NY. In the Jewish State Haredi Jews who are 12% of the population are responsible for 40% of the C19 cases. In Israel as in NY, Haredi Jews are overrepresented in the C19 statistics. It has been revealed in the last weeks that about every 3rd orthodox Jew in Israel is C19 positive. In the Jewish State, the Haredi population is regarded as the prime cause for Israel becoming the reddest country in the world. Accordingly, Orthodox neighbourhoods and ghettos are subject to close policing measures and are regarded as red zones.

The story points at a clear clash of civilisations between Orthodox communities and their neighbours. It seems that some Orthodox communities do not buy into the Covid 19 hysteria. Not only have they implemented a herd immunity philosophy, they have been very effective in putting this dissenting paradigm into play. Earlier this week, some young Yeshiva students admitted on Israeli TV News 12 that their Yeshivas were operating as hubs for C19 infections. “We were locked in the Yeshiva all 600 of us, everyone was infected, we all survived,” one Yeshiva boy told the camera. Another Yeshiva student admitted that the philosophy was to spread the disease amongst youngsters while protecting their elders. When an older Orthodox member of the community was challenged by the Israeli reporter about the Orthodox community’s dismissal of the government’s Covid 19 regulations his answer was clear. We live in a “state within state!” he said. What he meant was plain and simple: we follow our own laws and serve our own community interests in accordance with our belief system.

I confess that like the Orthodox Jews I am a strong believer in the effectiveness of herd immunity. I believe that a virus that has a 99.998% survival rate is probably safer than any future vaccine. Yet, there is a serious problem with the Orthodox implementation of herd immunity. Herd immunity can only work when practiced in a controlled and regulated manner within a collective that is responsible and responsive. It, for instance, demands careful measures to protect vulnerable elements within the community (care homes, the elderly, people with health complications etc.).

It is possible that part of what made NY into a killing Zone in the spring and what has made Israel into the reddest Covid 19 country in the world is the fact that while the most members of society try to avoid infection and attempt to “flatten the curve,” another persistent segment in society is doing the opposite. It actually works to push towards an exponential surge of the virus. This collision between avoidance and committed spreaders is a recipe for a disaster.

Israel is facing such a disaster currently, NY political officials may grasp by now that their reluctance to act in time and restrain the orthodox communities may helped make NYC into a killing zone in the early stages of the pandemic.

One may wish to believe that Cuomo and de Blasio weren’t aware of Jewish orthodox ‘scientific’ experiment but this strains credulity considering the fact that the Orthodox’ herd immunity tactics have not exactly been kept secret. On July 9, the Jewish Telegraphic Agency revealed that “ NY ultra-Orthodox are acting like they have herd immunity. The Jewish outlet wrote that “ inside the (orthodox) communities, the overwhelming perception is that most people have had the virus and may now be immune.” One Williamsburg health administrator told the Jewish outlet, “that’s the feeling, that they’ve had it, everybody they know has had it, and the people they know who haven’t had it have some kind of immunity that we just don’t understand yet.”

Back in July, local NY health care providers and administrators say surveys and tests suggest that as many as 70 percent of the community has had COVID-19 and recovered, and that new cases have slowed or stopped entirely in their neighbourhoods, despite a near total return to normal behaviour, including large gatherings.

I pointed out in my last article that the Orthodox covid-19 herd immunity model provides us with a compelling case study of the virus and the way it is spread. Unfortunately it also presents us with a window into the dismissal of otherness that is deeply embedded in that specific tribal culture.

It would hardly be a problem if orthodox communities were experimenting with herd immunity behind ghetto walls in total segregation and then hopefully beat the disease, yet, consciously infesting their own society with the virus while letting members of their the community using the Subway in NY, or public transport in Jerusalem is actually reckless behaviour with some grave consequences.

ORDER IT NOW

The Israeli PM allowed it to happen probably because of political reasons. His survival is dependent upon orthodox political support. Netanyahu refrained from addressing the issue for far too long and the consequences are clear. There are voices in Israel that already point at Netanyahu’s Covid failure as a colossal crime that demands a criminal probe. The same applies to Cuomo and de Blasio, their reluctance to act and restrain the recklessness of the Jewish orthodox communities in time is probably one of the reasons that NYC became a killing zone.

(Republished from Gilad Atzmon by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. SteveK9 says:

    I understand the temptation, but might be better to stick to topics that you know. Epidemiology is not one of them.

  2. Rich says:

    I don’t understand the reaction to an uptick in positive test results. The important statistic, I’d think, would be hospitalizations. If emergency rooms aren’t being overwhelmed, what’s the problem? Is it possible to keep everyone locked up until the virus goes away? The Hasids are doing us all a favor by seeing if their very insular community is easily surviving the spread.

  3. Gilad, you’ve written much better articles on other topics. First of all, this isn’t a pandemic, it’s a faux-demic -not because Covid-19 does not exist, but because of the political and social agenda, which have its origins long before the arrival of Donald Trump, that certain parties want to enforce on the American public in general. All they talk about is about someone testing positive. That doesn’t answer the question as to whether I can still transmit the disease, did I test positive for another variant of the flu which is showing up as a positive, am I going to be considered by the powers that be as “forever tainted” because I tested positive sometime in April or May? Do the powers that be really care about the Hasidic community? No, they really don’t give a rat’s ass about any community. It’s the fact that Hasidics, in their own lovely way, are giving the middle finger to the powers that be by stomping on the official narrative (albeit in a crude, non-intellectual manner) that is driving them nuts.

  4. anarchyst says:

    It is refreshing to see jews get a taste of their own medicine…

    Jews have been at the forefront of marginalizing Christianity and banning Christianity in the public square by touting “the separation of church and state” (but applicable to Christians only) while looking the other way when menorahs and other jewish symbols are erected on public property–even at the White House.

    Let the jews squeal about their “rights” being trampled. Jews have been at the forefront of trampling the rights of gentiles for generations…

    • Thanks: FLgeezer
    • Replies: @Alfred
    , @U. Ranus
    , @Stealth
  5. Wyatt says:

    A better antisemite would just let them get Corona.

    Is there anything these dumb Italian democrats can do right?

    • Replies: @anon
    , @sally
  6. No one understands what’s going on at a sufficient level to be credibly listened to. No one. Why is it that different regions impose different prohibitions? It should be obvious that in the absence of real knowledge, all fatwas are nothing more than an exercise in tyranny.

    Every person should decide for him/herself how to cope with this situation, and no one should be able to dictate their opinionated views. If people want to stay isolated, go for it. If people want to gather, that’s their decision, and may I say, their natural right.

    • Agree: TheTrumanShow, Alfred, Kali
  7. @Brooklyn Dave

    Totally agree with Brooklyn Dave and “ a killing zone” is a bit strong, isn’t it Gilad?

    • Replies: @Gilad Atzmon
  8. karel says:

    Why does Trump fail to build a high and beautiful wall to isolate these deviant communities from the neighborhoods of civilized and law abiding citizens These haredim are more dangerous than Mexicans and Chinese combined.

  9. @SteveK9

    To start with this piece is not about epidemiology, it is about loving your neighbour or shall I say one’s host nation. However, instead of telling me what not to write about, maybe try to produce an argument, I will try to address it..

  10. @Brooklyn Dave

    I am the last person to believe in the ‘epidemic’ or the MSM/version of it.. enough articles by me are available on that site to prove it..Also, if you read my piece carefully you’ll gather that a virus with a 99.998% survival rate is hardly a catastrophe in my view.. this piece is about reckless behaviour, unlawful conduct and loving ones neighbor. It is about dismissal of others and otherness. It is about obeying the law even when it isn’t comfortable …

  11. @Rev. Spooner

    I am afraid that if there was any killing zone in the USA, it must have been NYC and particularly the orthodox ghettos …

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  12. Actually… the Stink that is Uniquely Jew is worse than Covid.

    That Stink never stops being shed by the so called Chosenites. it is forever, until Hell.

    • Agree: gotmituns
  13. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:

    Kushner’s kin?

    The people who should dwell alone.

  14. @Gilad Atzmon

    Wait a minute, Gilad: If the virus is a scam, then refusing to abide by the laws enforcing the scam has nothing to do with “loving one’s neighbor.” It’s about behaving rationally: making decisions based on “science” and reason — you know, that whole Athens thing.

    The real crime the Orthodox Jews are committing is failing to comply with Jerusalemite laws — wear a kippah,mask, Dwell alone, wash your hands — and instead behaving in an Athenian manner: rationally responding to a disease from which 99% of those who become infected, survive.

    • Agree: Alfred
  15. @Gilad Atzmon

    Here’s one: internal organ damage.

    Here’s another: once you get it, you’re never rid of it, it will hide in your system like hepatitis or malaria and cause you physical problems, not death, but bad physical problems, off and on, for the rest of your life. Thus, the children who get it but are “asymptomatic” are not asymptomatic. Someday the chickens will come home to roost.

    How bout them apples?

    • LOL: Fred777
  16. George says:

    Where are all the dead Jews? I am a covid-o-caust denier.

    This is not just a Haredi issue. In the US hundreds of thousands from all over the US attended the not especially hygienic Sturgis motorcycle rally and returned, apparently with no I’ll effect. How is that possible?

    Where is the evidence of lethality? Is it possible the Haredi are right?

    • Replies: @Gilad Atzmon
    , @Pat Kittle
  17. It’s possible to reach the right conclusion (refusing to let this weak-ass virus change your life) for the wrong reason (‘We don’t have to obey anyone except our fictional Sky Maniac‘).

    Doomers are too gutless to sling their calumny at the boxheads[1]: if these COVID-refuseniks were Evangelicals in Alabama, the screeching from the Doomers would be turned up to 11. (Not that I have any sympathy for Evangelicals, who are retards).

    Boxheads are the most welfare-dependent demographic in the entire US. Compared to Haredim, urban black youth are as industrious as 1950s steelworkers.

    If Doomers had the courage of their convictions, they would insist that welfare payments were made conditional on obeying health edicts. Then we could do an A/B test on the boxheads – to see whether their shtetl-LARP beats their desire to collect cash handouts.

    Anyhow… for people who think Red Sea Pedestrian-ism is societally maladaptive, this is ‘win-win’: Doomer-adjacent goyim get shown that the boxheads don’t follow the rules; less-forgiving goyim can cross their fingers and hope for a mutation that makes this weak bitch of a virus more lethal.

    [1] ‘boxheads’ – Ultra-whackballs tie a silly box to their heads, then rock like a mental patient mumbling gibberish. Hence… boxheads.

    • Agree: Poco
  18. @SolontoCroesus

    It’s about behaving rationally

    No it isn’t – the boxheads’ decision is entirely doxastic .

    If their decision was epistemic, then it would be rational (i.e., based on reason).

    By contrast, a doxastic decision is almost never rational. (Beliefs do not have to have any rational basis).

    However their decision is based on stupid primitive drivel. It just happens to coincide with the rational conclusion in this very specific situation.

    One slight caveat: social impunity enjoyed by the boxheads, does provide some ‘rational’ basis for the decision… they can give full rein to the primitive drivel that they believe, because anyone who calls them out for it risks the antisemite canard.

    That’s still not the causa causans of the decision.

    • Agree: Whitewolf
  19. @obwandiyag

    You’ve been listening to fuckwits like Sanjay •Gupta again, you poor chump.

    The ‘study’ that claimed that paucisyptomatic COVID19 causes organ (or cardiac) damage, is a case study in shoddy research.

    It’s what happens when every ‘publish or perish’ research-schlub flails about looking for correlations that make for a good press release… and journals lower their quality thresholds.

    • Replies: @karel
    , @Druid
    , @obwandiyag
  20. Its not my site, and I do not know nor in any way speak for Mr Unz, but it seems that he is willing to spend his own money to allow even people who are sometimes rude to him to say almost whatever they want to express, which is admirable.

    I listen to almost everyone who has a original thought, that is not simply repackaged – from Bernie Sanders to AMREN authors. I have found that those who are willing to share a genuine personal observation have a lot to offer as far as generating personal insights or furthering my own knowledge development.

    Mr Atzmon is a big boy and can take care of himself, but I would simply ask that we all try to express opinion without being mean. Meanness is a sign of personal dis-satisfaction most often.

    People who go on the record with an opinion deserve to be treated with respect, even if you share a differing opinion. I am no ones boss, but my request is for everyone to treat others the way that you would want to be treated and to disagree without seeking to hurt.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
  21. The ‘study’ that claimed that paucisyptomatic COVID19 causes organ (or cardiac) damage, is a case study in shoddy research.

    Early on I got the feeling that the media was just throwing all the crap it could at the wall regarding WuFlu.

    Unfortunately, quite a bit of it seems to have stuck, like all the crazy commentary about how WuFlu had all these exceptional properties that set it apart from its allegedly related family of coronavirii, thus making it an extinction-level event.

  22. ‘…letting members of their the community using the Subway in NY, or public transport in Jerusalem is actually reckless behaviour with some grave consequences…”

    The consequences are only grave if one views what happens to gentiles as being of importance.

    When I notice an outbreak of some pest on my cabbages, I spray them with Malathion. That presumably has dire consequences for all kinds of organisms in the patch other than those eating the cabbages — but that’s just not important to me.

    No offense.

    • LOL: Pheasant
  23. @obwandiyag

    ‘…Thus, the children who get it but are “asymptomatic” are not asymptomatic. Someday the chickens will come home to roost.’

    You bes’ not hab any chilluns’, dat’s what ah say.

    Good idea, regardless. Please don’t reproduce, Obwandiyag.

    • LOL: Johnny Smoggins
  24. karel says:
    @Kratoklastes

    How can you tell what is a ”shoddy research”? I would like to learn your secrets.

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
  25. Some people do not agree with you Gilad. The mayor spent a lot of time at larger BLM protest. But will not allow more then 10 Jews to pray. Isn’t hypocrisy your specialty? There is beaucoup in this story.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/who-needs-debate-moderators-11602199017?st=gij35uj8nagodm8&reflink=article_copyURL_share

  26. Leo-B says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    “It is about obeying the law even when it isn’t comfortable …”

    huh? what is so good about “obeying the law” that’s absurd, doesn’t make any sense, and causes more harm than good?

    if majority of people everywhere actively disobeyed these laws in a united act of civil disobedience and just lived their lives – like, you know, they do in Sweden – we’d be out of this mess much faster.

    • Agree: Dissident
  27. @Rich

    And exhaling droplets on public transport on which people who are not part of their experiment travel?

    • Replies: @Rich
  28. @SolontoCroesus

    I am not in a position to determine whether the virus is a scum or not. I do believe in the possibility that the virus is actually a symptom rather than a cause, and write about it extensively on this site .. however, this is totally irrelevant here as those rabbis who push for herd immunity clearly believe in the virus, they just don’t believe in the law …

  29. @Leo-B

    As I mention in the piece and in my previous article on this site , the orthodox’ approach is probably the right approach (herd immunity) . Making this experiment in an isolated environment would probably work, yet, making this experiment in a mitigated society has lethal implications … simple I would have thought

  30. @George

    There were a lot of dead Orthodox Jews in the early stage (March-May) .. the USA doesn’t publish the numbers .. in Britain they were EUGHT TIME over represented amongst the dead In March . This is were their herd immunity comes from (assuming we are dealing with a viral event) ..

  31. @Fran Taubman

    People are more than welcome not to agree with me … this is an open space as opposed to the yeshiva conditions you are used to..

  32. Druid says:
    @Kratoklastes

    Yes, but it’s Obandiwag. A moron!

  33. @SteveK9

    SteveK9,

    Ouch! GA nailed it on that point.

  34. @Brooklyn Dave

    Perhaps Mr. Atzmon has painted himself into a bit of a corner, here: it seems out of character for him to be calling for obedience to dubiously-lawful dictates.

  35. Vojkan says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    If the survival rate is 99,98% then behaviour that unlikely to have lethal consequences can hardly be qualified as reckless. If all people around me behave like morons, I won’t behave like a moron just because if I don’t, it’ll prove that I don’t love morons. As for unlawful conduct, a lot of what I write here can be considered unlawful in both France and Serbia and yet, I write it anyway.
    I can’t believe I am about to write this but I’m with the Orthodox Jews on this one. Miracles do happen.

    • Replies: @Gilad Atzmon
  36. Alfred says:

    The leaders of the Jews are the most corrupt of the lot. Netanyahu locks up the whole of Israel so that he does not face court and possible imprisonment.

    The WHO claimed last Monday that 10% of the world’s population has been infected with COVID-19. If that is the case, it means that it is less harmful than influenza – if the death numbers are correct (which they are not).

    Gilad Atzmon is using the “cases” nonsense to justify the rules – ridiculous. I really don’t know why Gilad hates his own people that much. I am no friend of Zionists but I think science should override my personal feelings.

    WHO (Accidentally) Confirms Covid is No More Dangerous Than Flu Head of Health Emergencies Program “best estimates” put IFR at 0.14%

  37. @obwandiyag

    Obwandiyag you should be ashamed of yourself. At every training session we tell you Covid is a deadly disease. No one survives it. And here you go and say it is like Chicken Pox. You are a failure.

  38. Alfred says:
    @anarchyst

    In this instance, I entirely support the Orthodox Jews for showing the rest of us that they are not cowards who are afraid of a trivial infection. They have some brain cells unlike the rest of us.

    Here is a piece on the BBC trying to explain why Melinda Gates was lying when she claimed a few months ago that millions of Africans would die from COVID-19. In reality, this infection is nothing compared to the permanent diseases that Africans have to deal with – tuberculosis, malaria, diarrheal diseases, HIV/AIDS etc.

    Coronavirus in Africa: Five reasons why Covid-19 has been less deadly than elsewhere

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    , @Anon
  39. The antibodies created from exposure to COVID-19 disappear within a few months time, according to news reports. However, people who have never encountered this virus before have immunity. COVID-19 isn’t the only coronavirus out there such as the one that causes the common cold. The immune system’s reaction to COVID-19 can make people very sick. Researchers don’t know but if I was going for herd immunity I’d want to start off with vaccines, the common cold, and go from there.
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/02/health/gupta-coronavirus-t-cell-cross-reactivity-immunity-wellness/index.html

  40. U. Ranus says:
    @anarchyst

    Secular Jews, especially the females, don’t exactly love their orthodox “cousins”. With power and wealth secured, the Jew’s internal divisions will become more pronounced.

  41. GMC says:

    Give me an aerosol can of the virus from one of the US bioWeapons Lab, and I can make any part of a city look pretty bad in about a week or two. And it doesn’t have to kill thousands, because the media and local Govs , will take it from there. Just another part of the War on the people of the US – and world.

  42. Tom Welsh says:
    @SteveK9

    Epidemiology is evidently a topic that nobody understands. Least of all epidemiologists.

  43. WHAT says:

    Good, let them die, and killing non-kosher jewyorkers is a bonus too!

  44. Tom Welsh says:

    When reading any article such as this, the first essential reaction is to ask “What is meant by a ‘case’”?

    If a case, as always before throughout medical history, means a patient who is actually sick – or showing signs and symptoms of a known disease – we are on fairly solid ground.

    If, as this year, a “case” is taken to mean a positive result on a test whose inventor publicly stated that it was intrinsically unsuitable as a diagnostic method, and which is known to be very inaccurate at best… and which by no means guarantees that a positive result corresponds to actual sickness – we are in Alice in Wonderland.

    Having foolishly overreacted early on and imposed utterly inappropriate restrictions on billions of people, government members are now panickily doing everything in their power to make “Covid-19” seem like a deadly plague.

    Whereas in fact it is about as deadly as the flu epidemics of the 1950s and 1960s. I lived through a flu “pandemic” in 1968, as a second-year undergraduate in England. Recently I have gone through all my diaries, journals, and letters sent and received that year – giving me a good idea of every single thing I did or witnessed – and there is not a single mention of flu, let alone a pandemic. No one was confined to anywhere or forced to wear a mask. No one paid any attention to the “pandemic”, and presently it ended.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  45. Alfred says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    It is about obeying the law even when it isn’t comfortable …

    So the Nuremberg trials got it wrong. We should all follow orders of those who “know better” 🙂

    These “laws” that you refer to are completely unconstitutional in the USA. They are being imposed by little tyrants who are getting paid off by Bill Gates and his ilk. They know that they will never be reelected so the payoffs must have been substantial.

    Superior Orders

    They Were Only Following Orders

    • Thanks: Johnny Walker Read
    • Replies: @Poco
  46. @Kratoklastes

    Wrong. I listen to JAMA, among other reputable, peer-reviewed, scientific sources.

  47. @Gilad Atzmon

    Exhorting Jews to love their hosts – surely there’s something less quixotic you could be doing with your time?

    • LOL: Ugetit
  48. utu says:
    @SteveK9

    He is not only an epidemiologist but also a physicist:

    https://www.unz.com/gatzmon/corona-crisis-a-viral-episode-or-a-half-time-nightmare/
    What may be possible is that Covid 19 is not the root cause of the current disease, it may instead be a by-product of a radioactive interaction. I am not in any position to substantiate this theory. Instead, I offer an alternative way of thinking about the problem that may shed light on the situation. If Covid-19 is a by-product of radiation, then the sudden decrease in radioactivity due to the nature of half-life reactions can explain why the virus loses its growth energy when it seems as if it has become unstoppable.

    And on April 2 when death dotal was 26 in Israel he draws grand conclusions and generalizations.

    https://www.unz.com/gatzmon/god-and-the-coronavirus/
    The Israeli success in dealing with Corona could have a few explanations. It is probably true that Israel was more effective than others in dealing with Corona. It adopted the most restrictive measures very early on and before most other countries. It is possible that Israeli doctors are more gifted than others. And it is true that Israel runs a relatively high number of Corona tests. This fact alone reduces the statistics of fatality rates significantly. But it may also be possible that the Rabbi had a point, Corona, as it appears statistically, at least, is more lethal for the Goyim and somehow less deadly for the people of Israel.

    Now the death total is 1864.

    • Thanks: Fran Taubman
    • Replies: @Johnny Walker Read
  49. gotmituns says:
    @Brooklyn Dave

    Sir, make no common cause with jews.

  50. American Citizen 2.0 says:
    @Rich

    I am conflicted about this topic of herd immunity. If we were talking about something natural that was fairly common somewhere in the world but then suddenly it appeared here and we all got it that would be one thing. But are, for example, Hanta Virus or Small Pox something we would all want to try to get herd immunity to? It seems like they are so lethal that we probably would not want to. So there are some kinds of viruses where it makes some sense for everyone to just bite the bullet and join the herd and others where it would be a civilizational catastrophe. We need non-politicized expert opinion to guide us here. Unfortunately, everything is politicized now under a sort of revolutionary dictatorship of Marxist technologists and scientists. You are either on their side or else a white supremacist, which is to say we have all been forced to declare allegiance to a Bolshevik take over of our decision making and advisory institutions or else we are Nazi-sympathizers.

    The trick that seems to be being played on us is that we don’t know whether or how the corona virus will mutate. By “we” I mean normal people in the public at large. The Marxist technologist/scientist exploit our lack of expert knowledge to assert that we are not entitled to an opinion of our own at all. That assertion extends to everything: climate change, socialized medicine, policing, education… everything. Unless you are a certified expert from an approved institution, you are not entitled to form your own opinion about evidence and ideas.

    But that nanny state mentality only works if the nanny isn’t plainly trying to harm you. In the case of white people, the hostility and even homicidal intent of the international proletariat of the scientists has been made abundantly clear. The say “dismantle oppression” but they really mean “turn the tables on oppression”. They claim we are oppressing them so we deserve to be dismantled at the level of power and influence in a way that plainly comes across as a euphemism for gulags or something weird like that. I get that to a certain extent a lot of the extremist rhetoric about white supremacy on the Left is a revolutionary play-act to empower non-white people and give them the tools to “oppress” their oppressors.

    But it cannot go unnoticed that the elite international business elite along with their Marxist technocracy very clearly intending to do us harm. They have mastered a kind of double-speak where they dispense health advice out of one side of their mouth that is pretty obviously just political advice for non-white people but then out of the other side of their mouth they are saying that they are imposing all of these restrictions on us out of retribution for our history of being oppressors. So I have a hard time accepting their medical advice. It all feels to me like Dr. Mengele (the widely known scientist-ghoul of the WWII death camps) giving swimming lessons to Jewish children but this time around the Bolsheviks are the ones who produced their own Dr Mengele against us and the mainstream media is enthusiastically encouraging us all to sign up for swimming lessons.

    In short, the leftists in America right now don’t seem to mind the overall idea of a genocidal campaign, they just want to deploy such a campaign against the people of their choice, viz. us, which seems to me to completely eviscerate the discourse on Human Rights we have all been subjected to in recent decades. Human rights are basically the legal/political equivalent of face masks, i.e. pointless but your affirmation of their value proves you are on the right team. The marxist technocracy that is unfolding and consuming the western world doesn’t really intend to extend any kind of rights to anyone they don’t like, i.e. us. In which case they aren’t advocating for anything other than that a certain group of people should have all the privileges and everyone else must work to have any kind of legal protection, which is given only at the sole discretion of the technocracy based purely on ideological considerations.

    This all seems like a huge step backwards for humanity in every imaginable way to me.

    • Agree: Etruscan Film Star
  51. @Gilad Atzmon

    Actually, it was largely in nursing homes where, by executive order, recovering COVID patients were shunted for further care.

    Gov. Cuomo admits he was wrong to order nursing homes to accept coronavirus patients

    Gov. Andrew Cuomo has finally admitted — tacitly and partially, anyway — the mistake that was state health chief Howard Zucker’s order that nursing homes must admit coronavirus-positive patients.

    On Sunday, Cuomo announced a new regulation: Such patients must now test negative for the virus before hospitals can return them to nursing homes. Yet the gov also admitted that COVID-19 cases might still go to the facilities via other routes, and didn’t explicitly overrule Zucker’s March 25 mandate that homes must accept people despite their testing status — indeed, couldn’t even require a test pre-admission.

    Source: https://nypost.com/2020/05/10/cuomo-was-wrong-to-order-nursing-homes-to-accept-coronavirus-patients/

    • Agree: Rich
  52. Covid is the flu, bro. 97%-99% recovery rate, young are barely infected and fewer harmed, unlike a real pandemic.

    That the ‘Dox are thorns in the asses of de-balled-zo and coomo is an amusing bonus.

  53. Herald says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    I thought we all knew by now, that it was Cuomo’s policies and inappropriate treatment that were responsible for the spike of deaths in New York. What are the current death rates and hospitalisations from Covid-19 in NY?

    It bears endless repeating, that a positive PCR test is not a Covid-19 case and very likely the test signifies nothing at all. If Israel and other places want to tie themselves in knots over positive PCR tests then that’s fine by me.

    • Agree: Ugetit
  54. Amon says:
    @Brooklyn Dave

    Giving the finger means extending the lockdowns for us non chosen ones, their little experiment also adds pressure on the city government to increase restrictions on us that harms every non jew economically while these tossers laughs about it.

    It’s not about the plandemic, deaths or infected. It’s about a tiny minority who thinks they can not only ignore the rules, but actively engage in behavior that causes maximum suffering for the rest of us.

    • Thanks: FLgeezer
    • Replies: @Herald
  55. Fred777 says:

    “We were locked in the Yeshiva all 600 of us, everyone was infected, we all survived,”

    “we all survived”

    That is not the outcome the statists were hoping for.

    • Replies: @gotmituns
  56. Ugetit says:
    @Rich

    The Hasids are doing us all a favor by seeing if their very insular community is easily surviving the spread.

    Agree. And why isn’t it “anty-Sumitik” hate speech to criticize them?

  57. anon[154] • Disclaimer says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    You keep saying it is “the law“. There are no “laws” in effect here. You keep forgetting that Brooklyn is in USA, and in USA, something called a Legislature makes “the laws”. The executive can not rule by fiat, by decree.

    We need to go to courts to determine if these “laws” you keep talking about even exist. Another useful aspect of taking the scamsters to court is that in court the dictatorial executive will need to finally come clean on what precisely is happening. Evidence, expert evidence, and a jury of one’s peers.

    Btw, you keep saying you are against the scamdemic but use their propaganda vocabulary. Where were these “kill zones” in New York? Kill zones? You pens for hire have NO SHAME whatsoever, do you?

    • Agree: Skeptikal
    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  58. Ugetit says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    this piece is about reckless behaviour, unlawful conduct and loving ones neighbor.

    The COVID freaks and dictators are the reckless ones and should be resisted; that’s what I call luvving one’s neighbor.

    It is about obeying the law even when it isn’t comfortable …

    Now that is truly gag-worthy. Gimmee a break, will ya? I can’t believe you wrote that!

    • Agree: Skeptikal
  59. @Leo-B

    English spelling doesn’t make much sense, but the USers’ unilateral changing of some words has made life harder both for Americans and for those who try to spell correctly.

  60. anarchyst says:
    @Alfred

    You make a good point about these jews “pushing back” against these unconstitutional COVID restrictions.
    However, jews STILL cannot be trusted.
    Regards,

    • Replies: @Alfred
  61. @Gilad Atzmon

    Hahahahaaaa. You seem really confused, Gilad. It does not appear that you considered any of these issues before putting pen to paper. The “loving one’s neighbor” line is from a Hitler speech circa 1922. So you are a plagiarist to boot. And Hitler at least was well aware it was propaganda.

    • Replies: @Alden
  62. If Bibi is afraid of the Haredi community then one can just imagine that Cuomo and Di Blasio must piss in their “Fredo” pants when summoned by the elders of the orthodox community… those two carpetbaggers are shamelessly incompetent.

    • Replies: @Alfred
  63. gotmituns says:
    @Fred777

    don’t you mean, 6 million of us?

  64. I confess that like the Orthodox Jews I am a strong believer in the effectiveness of herd immunity. I believe that a virus that has a 99.998% survival rate is probably safer than any future vaccine.

    I sure do agree with that, Giliad Atzmon. And I see you are not disputing the July report saying 70% of the Haridi contracted the unavoidable malady and yet there are still plenty of Haridi anyway, some now immune. So, it looks like a slam-dunk case for herd immunity and the living proof that lockdown by political edict is a futile boondoggle.

    But how exactly did NYC become a “killing zone” and disaster area from a malady with a negligible fatality rate? And what exactly is the transgression of an intact family-oriented group using an age-old defensive strategy of herd immunity against contagious parasitic infections?

    So, the “dismissal of otherness that is deeply embedded in that specific tribal culture” is your culprit, the naive others being those who have been terrorized 24/7 by brainless televised hysteria deliberated generated by cynical political authorities with motives far removed from public health concerns. Suppose these others started jumping off the Brooklyn Bridge because the boob tube convinced them that collective suicide was the only salvation? Should the Haridi join the fun?

    I say more power to them. They have every right to self defense. Their only crime is to have exposed the political lockdown scheme as a dangerous fraud. It may even help enlighten the supine others who are inclined to accept any insult (coming soon: mandatory vaccines) from power-drunk authorities who employ statisticians and propagandists. The Haridi are only guilty of reason –chosing freedom over tyranny. We can all learn from that.

    Nevertheless, good that you wrote about it. Our real problem isn’t health; it’s runaway statism.

  65. geokat62 says:
    @Tom Welsh

    When reading any article such as this, the first essential reaction is to ask “What is meant by a ‘case’”?

    Spot on!

  66. @utu

    Thank God there was never a cold/flu “pandemic” before it was renamed “Covid19”.
    You don’t have to be an epidemiologist to figure out the stats and testing methods for CV are all bovine excrement, you just need a functioning brain.
    My oh my, how did the global population survive those times without the insane policies foisted upon us by our supposed leaders and medical professionals?
    https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/26/health/flu-deaths-2017–2018-cdc-bn/index.html

    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
  67. Emslander says:

    Another Yeshiva student admitted that the philosophy was to spread the disease amongst youngsters while protecting their elders.

    Sounds good to me.

    The hysteria occasioned by people who aren’t afraid of the normality that’s been accepted during every other epidemic in history is the most dangerous part of the government approach. I’m no epidemiologist, but I’d bet that the lockdown will one day be proven to have made the epidemic worse than it would have been.

    That is, if there are any honest researchers left in the world. We know that the government “cases” and “deaths” estimates are entirely phony, but that’s what they’re using to teach us how to worship in conformity to snowflake dictates.

  68. @George

    Some things are reassuringly predictable.

    The Jewmedia, ever vigilant against Evil Whitey spreading the Covid Cootie, features pictures of maskless bikers at Sturgis and ominous projections of how many Americans they subsequently infected.

    Maskless BurnLootMurder dindu’s spitting anti-White threats as they rampage for months, no problem — after the first few days of un-masked Floyd riots, the Jewmedia now takes pains to display only “peaceful protesters” with masks.

    Meanwhile maskless Jew mobs beat a man unconscious while proclaiming “we don’t go by the laws of America… we have our own laws.”
    — (https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-protest-coronavirus-brooklyn-borough-park-20201007-tbrjcmcgmnfubcqksxjqhkzdyi-story.html)

    How often have we seen that story, unless we live in New York City?

  69. Rich says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    How many Hasids in Brooklyn use the subway? I’ve never seen one in Manhattan. They use private buses and car services to get around and are rarely on public transport. And if these “droplets” were so deadly, wouldn’t we have seen a large infection rate outside their communities? And why, if these “droplets ” are so infectious, haven’t we seen hospitals being overwhelmed? The way, historically, such “pandemics” were handled was to isolate the sick and vulnerable and get on with life. Hiding from the virus can’t work, we can’t lockdown forever.

    • Replies: @Alden
  70. anon[274] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wyatt

    They are transmitting to other, overwhelming the hospital and increasing the self centered parochial attitude at an expense of the communal solidarity.

    They are not isolated . The orthodox community has shafted the education system and has enriched the orthodox private Yeshevia school while gutting the public education which caters to the poor non -Jews .

    You will find the orthodox abuse laws to segregate community , drive non Jews out and increase the rent in the locality . They work like a state within a state .

    They also have huge chunk on different kinds of government benefits .

    They create rules for the transport company doing business in their area .

    Yes, they find also any government official wearing Christian outfit as infringement on state , they find greeting in religious tone during Christian holidays in public space as assault on secular western value and attack on state .

    But Kippa wearing , menorcha worshiping in Yiddish or Hebrew in public spaces are kosher .

    • Replies: @Wyatt
  71. Why wouldn’t they have already achieved their herd immunity last spring? Also are they being reinfected, or are these new cases? Finally as a closed tribe are they too inbred to be anything other than in a perpetual state of vulnerability?

    • Replies: @U. Ranus
  72. anarchyst says:

    Please look up Kiryas Joel, New York.

    This community, among other “jews-only” communities openly flouts “civil-rights”, “fair housing” and other anti-discrimination laws with impunity and gets away with it.

    If you are not jewish, forget purchasing property, establishing a business, sending your children to the ((jews-only)) “public schools” or establishing residency.

    These same jews utilize taxpayer funds such as welfare and EBT benefits at a much higher rate than that of normal non-jewish citizens in surrounding areas.

    Not only that, they run extensive Medicare and Medicaid scams, and other “public assistance” scams.

    You see, this is a blatant example of the “double standard” that exists here in “the good ol’ USA. “Civil-rights”, “fair housing” and “anti-discrimination” laws are bludgeons used against whites and do not apply to jews who are “chosen”.

    Jews openly support (and use “lawfare”) to enforce civil-rights laws against whites while doing just the opposite for themselves.

    “Multiculturalism and diversity for thee, but not for me” is the jewish mantra.

    Now if us gentile whites could just “get away” with what these jewish supremacists are “getting away with” we might just have something.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  73. Stealth says:
    @anarchyst

    It is refreshing to see jews get a taste of their own medicine…

    Hasidic Jews have their flaws, but from what I’ve heard, they’re largely not involved in either anti-white liberalism or the Israeli takeover of our foreign policy.

    I think in this case we could all learn a thing or two from their example.

    • Replies: @Pat Kittle
  74. Robert Gore says: • Website

    It’s too bad Gilad Atzmon’s article is not about epidemiology. The Hasidic community offers about as close to a controlled experiment as possible to test an alternative to the prevailing protocols meant to address the coronavirus outbreak. The most important question: has the Hasidic protocol worked? What have been the Hasid statistics concerning testing, infection, hospitalization, and deaths, and how do they compare to the rest of New York city and the US? If they’re markedly better, isn’t that cause to reexamine the prevailing protocols, instead of criticizing the Hasids? Atzmon makes this point, but doesn’t follow it to its logical conclusion:

    Back in July, local NY health care providers and administrators say surveys and tests suggest that as many as 70 percent of the community has had COVID-19 and recovered, and that new cases have slowed or stopped entirely in their neighbourhoods, despite a near total return to normal behaviour, including large gatherings.

    If this is the case, why aren’t the rest of us doing the same?

    • Replies: @Altai
    , @Gilad Atzmon
  75. Alfred says:
    @anarchyst

    However, Jews STILL cannot be trusted.

    I am trying to be objective. This is not a football match with me supporting the Orthodox Jewish team.

    It is no secret that secular Jews in Israel profoundly hate Orthodox Jews. The rules about military service, food, public holidays, opening hours and so on are probably the things that annoy them most.

    Secular Israeli Fear of the ultra-Orthodox Has Turned Into Hatred (Haaretz 2020)

    This has nothing to do with trust. The science is very clear. Whether these Orthodox Jews have looked into the science or not is irrelevant. They value their freedom to go to their synagogues and to have celebrate their feasts. I am all for it. If it decimates them, so be it. But it won’t.

    It is a shame that the Catholics and Protestants of the USA are such wimps.

    • Agree: Skeptikal
  76. Katrinka says:

    Why can’t Jews go to their own country, Israel? They kvetched and kvetched about wanting a homeland, they have one and now they refuse to go there. What is up with these people?

    • Replies: @Alfred
  77. Alfred says:
    @God's Fool

    those two carpetbaggers are shamelessly incompetent

    They will never be reelected. Doubtless, they have been handsomely compensated for this “inconvenience”. The idea that politicians are not open to bribery is laughable. As anyone in the construction industry worldwide.

    • Replies: @God's Fool
  78. Altai says:

    People are talking about this now but it’s nothing new, the second wave is running through the Orthodox community like the first wave was. They won’t practice social distancing and their normal social practices are highly effective at spreading the virus. The Orthodox enclave of New Rochelle was the nucleus of the NYC and US outbreak.

    It was hilarious to read NYers being confused as to the early pattern of cases. The common denominator was the places were Orthodox enclaves. First New Rochelle and then Far Rockaway in NYC itself.

    The early AIPAC scare was caused by delegates from New Rochelle. That many were doctors only made the outbreak worse.

    There was almost no media coverage that might have been useful to NYers on this. Almost everyone from the New Rochelle synagogue got it. They eventually sent in the National Guard to deal with it. They literally quarantined the town like a scene from a sci fi virus outbreak movie. You couldn’t even go to get food, they brought it to you. They only got away with it because everyone in New Rochelle was subject to it not just the Orthodox.

    And then once the outbreak got going they continued to act anti-social, breaking locks to parks, having mass gatherings of children indoors and outdoors. (Adults might space themselves out outside, children don’t) Keeping their schools open, keeping child camps open.

    Some will say it would have ripped through NYC anyway but as the course of the second wave has proven, the slower the pace of the outbreak and time given, the more society would have been able to adapt to keeping vulnerable people safer and the less strain on medical resources as well as knowledge on how best to treat infections.

    What’s fascinating is that it is starting to get talked about. I’m surprised it hasn’t already, most secular NY Jews hate the Orthodox more than other media people. (The ones who hate them the most are the poor blacks and Puerto Ricans who have to live beside them) But in a situation like this where social solidarity is critical to make it end faster, the Orthodox have touched a nerve. Flying the Trump flags in NYC wasn’t a good idea but Orthodox are so autistic they don’t understand how not to make people hate them. They just provoke and provoke. (Is it possible for a normal person not to hate them?)

    If I were a non-Orthodox Jew (Or even an Orthodox Jew from a less anti-social milieu) I’d be very much interested in putting as much mental space between me and the Orthodox as possible. Imagine a world where 80-90% of Jews in America are Satmar. (A not too distance possibility)

    I also wonder if Israel’s action early on to try to block travel from the US specifically wasn’t in reaction to that situation. Trump wasn’t amused that Israel was so tactless as to block travel from the US as all he did to placate them in exchange for not having to bomb Syria so they made it more broadbased.

  79. Altai says:
    @Robert Gore

    But what about the age demographic profile of sects like the Satmar who have exploded in population in recent time (Effectively as communities they are only a few decades old) and who have short generation times and large numbers of children? There surely won’t be too many proportionally or in absolute numbers in the post 75 age bracket.

  80. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:

    Regarding Phony Balony Corony:
    So many asking seemingly intelligent questions.

    Why?

    The damned thing is a hoax.
    Relegate it to a pig manure lake.

    Move on.

  81. T. Weed says:

    I must say, nutty as this sect is (all religion is insane, based on impossible miracles), I agree with them. They want herd immunity, leave them alone! Everything we’ve been told about this scam-demic has been a lie.

  82. @Stealth

    Hasidic Jews have their flaws, but… they’re largely not involved in either anti-white liberalism or the Israeli takeover of our foreign policy.

    No, they’re just involved in anti-white conservatism and the Jewish takeover of our domestic policy.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  83. U. Ranus says:
    @Old and Grumpy

    are they being reinfected, or are these new cases?

    Or something else entirely. For example, since you could get numbers that look like a “second wave” with hardly any real infections at all, just from false-positives, by jacking up the total number of tests done, there’s at least this third possibility.

  84. Alfred says:
    @Katrinka

    Why can’t Jews go to their own country, Israel?

    The Jews don’t belong in Palestine. They grabbed that country in return for getting the USA into WW1 on the side of the British. That was the deal. The fact that ordinary Americans at that time did not want to get involved in European wars was totally ignored by the Jew-controlled media of the day.

    • Replies: @Ray Caruso
  85. Poco says:
    @Alfred

    I do not acknowledge orders dictated from on high as laws. I may be forced to adhere to them but they’re not laws.

    • Replies: @DaveE
  86. Agent76 says:

    Oct 8, 2020 BOOM! NYC Orthodox Jews DEFY Adolf DeBlasio AGAIN! What They Held While DANCING Says It All

    New York Governor Andrew Cuomo and Commie New York City Mayor Bill DeBlasio have cracked down on the Jewish community for months now.


    • Thanks: Ray Caruso
    • LOL: Fran Taubman
    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
  87. It’s not a “pandemic”, it’s a con-demic. Liberals are malignant nihilists who take the side of evil, falsehood, ugliness and filth on all issues, all the way, all the time. Everything liberals shriek is a big problem is no problem at all (Examples: the “pandemic”, “global warming”, “police brutality”). Everything they dismiss as not being a problem is a deadly menace.

    • Agree: Zarathustra, Fred777
  88. sally says:
    @Wyatt

    What is interesting to me is the genetic nature of the corona virus 1092 amino acids. it seems to be made up of a number of well known viral segments, which have been inserted into the vial genome between the same two splice cuts. I wonder if the genetics of viral infection by Corona 19 into the persons of different races has been made done. because i see that some groups more susceptible than others. and certain environments seem to be
    very different.

    Which gene segments predict infection efficiency.. in the various human victim genotypes

  89. MOG says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    “It is about obeying the law even when it isn’t comfortable …” NO. It’s about obeying the law when it is Orwellian and unconstitutional. It’s about obeying unelected charlatans and propagandists who lie about the “science” and ignore everything we know about viruses and epidemiology. It”s about obeying health gurus who deny sick people the medication (e.g., HQZ+AZ+Zn) which could quickly, safely cure them, in order to strengthen and prolong the “epidemic” which provides them an excuse to install a permanent draconian tyranny to replace our free republic. It’s about terrorizing the public into accepting mandatory vaccinations which will alter them at the cellular level (e.g., Gates/Moderna mRNA based vaccine) – a power which no dictator in history has ever dreamed of. You are building a prison for yourself, and trying to force the rest of us to join you there. This will not stand.

    • Agree: anarchyst, Alfred
    • Replies: @anon
  90. Wyatt says:
    @anon

    Okay but,

    why not just let them get Covid?

    • Replies: @Alexander Turok
  91. The facts are unfortunately undeniable: top government officials, including Governor Cuomo and Mayor de Blasio, are alarmed by the sharp rise in C19 Cases…

    Case numbers are meaningless, especially with the fraught PCR test. It has been known for 170 years that the way to know when an epidemic is over is the epidemiological death curve. Covid deaths in NY are below 1 per million per day. Herd immunity has already been achieved because 50% of the population has crossover immunity from previous coronavirus infections. The pandemic is finished in New York, everything else is just media hysterics and grasping for political power. But, I repeat myself.

  92. These numbers are actual covid-19 illnesses, or actual flu illnesses, or false positive tests, or totally fake?

  93. anon[334] • Disclaimer says:
    @MOG

    This will not stand.

    A shrinking time window alert is in order.

    The MODeRNA vaccine is a comically nasty construct. Anyone who is thinking of taking an mRNA vaccine, listen up:

    one: Genes are patentable under the Global Cabal’s merchantile order.

    two: Your offspring, post vaccination, will carry the patented genes, since your genes are now modified.

    three: Future generations will pay licenses with scheduled wage garnishments (“taxes and fees”).

    four: the collection mechanism is in your blood stream. It is called ID2020. (Certificate Of Vaccination IDC-O-V-ID)

    five: while you were in “lockdown” to survive “the killing zones of New York” (thanks for the laughs, Gilad), your city was being decorated with 5G stations.

    six: The debated health issues of 5G aside (which are also worth researching), you should know the reason goverments worldwide are pushing 5G:

    six-a: 5G enables real time remote control of drones; abilty for drone to transmit hi definition audio-video; ability to reduce location resolution to 0.1 Meters.

    six-b: without 5G, boston dynamics robots and flying police state drones can not work as desired. The technical subject is called “command and control (CnC)”. Real-time CnC requires very low latencies. 5G and 5G+ have the required low latency.

    Once you are waiting for your daily rations, handed out by a fine young boot-camp re-educated enforcer of military, which will require full obedience on your part (if you want to eat), talk like “this will not stand” will not stand …

  94. @Johnny Walker Read

    Ironically your post calls a few things into question.

  95. @Agent76

    Yeah, why is Chris Christie still alive?

  96. Herald says:
    @Amon

    It’s utterly bewildering that people are still buying into the official narrative. If you don’t know by now that Covid-19 is at the very least a 99% scam, then maybe Brooklyn Dave would sell you that very nice bridge he has in his backyard.

    • Replies: @Amon
  97. Deport (((forcibly))) all Jews to Birobidzhan.

    Now.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  98. @Alfred

    I’m not some Jew-worshipping “conservative”, but assuming the Jews had no claim and no connection to present-day Israel before the 20th century, how is their “grabbing” that piece of land any worse than Anglo-Saxon settlers “grabbing” four fifths of North America? How is it any worse than Moslems “grabbing” the same land in the 7th century? Other than from a Moslem-supremacist view (“We can do it to you because Allah has given the whole world to Moslems, but you can’t do it to us!”), I don’t see how it’s any worse. As a practical matter, do you want an even bigger Jewish overclass in Western countries? Because that’s where Israelis would go if Israel were to fall. They would not be going to Africa or India or China. They would be coming here.

    • Replies: @Alfred
  99. annamaria says:
    @Truth Hurts the Liars

    What does make you believe that Russians want the chosen’ bunch?

  100. Abhraka says:

    Gilad Just lost half his radiance. He ‘s bought into the Jewish owned media and irrational science cult
    that there’s hot spots…hot SPOTS…dude are you watching CNN!!!!! The tests are bogus YOU DIG?
    The State kills and sprinkles any crud anywhere on anyone…….Man!!!! the people who absorb
    patriarchal fake-science orthodoxy while attempting to deconstruct it are really often Jewish.
    Gilad honest people are screaming for 6 months that this is slave owners parlor-trick hammering
    incessantly….Obey Obey Obey….and Gilad has. Wow… Breathtaking. Gilad the 1918 pandemic
    wasn’t accidental the Rockefeller imprimatur is all over it nor was it a virus.
    Is this mind control?

  101. Skeptikal says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    ” this piece is about reckless behaviour, unlawful conduct and loving ones neighbor. It is about dismissal of others and otherness. It is about obeying the law even when it isn’t comfortable …”

    This just doesn’t make sense. Youi seem to be more concerned with obeying the law than with any actual effects if real life. Just on principle. This just does not sound like it could come out of the brain of Gilad Atzmon. Have you been taken over by a bed wetter?

    It could equally be applied to Germans: Just say Heil Hitler. What is the harm in that?

    In another context I might agree that obeying the law is a top priority and affects the health of others—or insurance rates. E.g., obeying the speed limit, using your seat belt, and not texting while driving.
    But there is really no evidence of the efficacy of wearing a mask. Au contraire. So why tut-tut those people who call out the lack of clothes on this emperor?

    We do know that herd immunity and also the development of a robust immune system requires exposure to germs of various sorts.

    People who are that afraid of the virus should stay home and let the rest of the world get on with their lives, and with building herd immunity.

    When a law is a stupid law, and when obeying it actually causes harm, then break it.

    Never thought I would agree with the Hasids!!

    PS. Isn’t the use of the phrase “killing zone” a bit over the top? Get a grip, Gilad!

    PPS. Testing positive is not a “case,” goddammit! Quite apart from all of those false positives.

    • Agree: Alfred
  102. Alfred says:
    @Ray Caruso

    As a practical matter, do you want an even bigger Jewish overclass in Western countries? Because that’s where Israelis would go if Israel were to fall.

    Jews go where the money is. If the money is in the West, they will go there. China is a special case. The Chinese are good at absorbing invaders. After a few generations, they would no longer be Jews. That is if they let them in at all. 🙂

    Frankly, it is your problem. You should not have encouraged them to move to the Middle East. That part of the world is familiar with the tribal system. It is already composed of numerous tribes. They will give no concessions to the Jews as being something special.

  103. Skeptikal says:
    @anon

    I cannot believe the drivel that is currently coming about GA.
    He obviously is ignorant of “the law,” the virus, NY, etc.
    He must have needed an infusion of cash from RU to foist off this BS on Unz readers.
    I am appalled.

  104. Alfred says:

    I am very interested in HIV/AIDS as I have a patent that would take care of this problem – the US patent has expired but there are now around 30 other patents based on mine to some degree.

    I noticed some time ago that the media has largely stopped writing about HIV. Our new nothing-burger virus has taken over the media.

    I did a search for HIV and I found the following. It seems that they are trying to link up the dangers of COVID-19 with that of HIV. Absolutely preposterous nonsense. They are demonising Trump for not following the mask-wearing religion.

    Specifically, Cooper pointed out that while the president was refusing to allow his doctor to say when his last negative test for coronavirus was, people with HIV can still be arrested in some states for not disclosing their status to a sexual partner.

    Anderson Cooper slams behaviour of Covid-infected Trump when people can still be arrested for HIV status in some states

    Essentially, they are saying that people who are HIV-positive have the right to infect others by not telling them of their status. 🙂

    • Replies: @Truth Hurts the Liars
  105. Skeptikal says:
    @anarchyst

    Your points all well taken.
    Which leads to the obvious question:
    Why crack down on these serial lawbreakers only about covid-19?
    Why not crack down on these Jews for *all* of their nose thumbing and scofflawing?

    This is not at all about “lawbreaking” but about enforcing apparently pointless rules that nevertheless have much more significance to our rulers than they are letting on.

    It is not about public health. When was it ever about public health in the USA?

    It is about forcing the public to follow arbitrary rules as a method of control. And finding ways to make the public self-enforce and monitor and snitch on others.

    Jeez. It is fairly obvious. No rocket science needed here.

    • Agree: Alfred
  106. DaveE says:
    @Poco

    I do not acknowledge orders dictated from on high as laws. I may be forced to adhere to them but they’re not laws.

    The only thing you MUST do is die. Everything else is optional. We need a few more (LOT more) who understand this.

    • Replies: @Poco
  107. Alden says:
    @Fran Taubman

    All the religions are under different restrictions depending on the state. NYC, being a state completely under the control of anti White racist liberal Jews, has more severe restrictions than other state.

    Boo boo, it’s anti Semitic to expect a small sect of Jews to follow city county and state restrictions.

    What’s next? Maybe the chabadniks and Haredim should be exempted from car registration and dr licenses?

  108. Alden says:
    @Johnny Rico

    Love ones neighbor has been a well known Christian phrase since the time of Jesus. It’s in the Christian part of the Bible.

    It’s very similar to the secular words common good.

  109. Alden says:
    @Rich

    You’re right about hasids never using public transportation or even regular Uber and cabs . Don’t want to be contaminated by sitting on a seat a filthy goy sat on. Don’t want a yeshiva boy being tempted by a movie theater while waiting for a bus.

    Many of the women never go more than 10 blocks from home. Everything they need is within walking distance.

  110. @Vojkan

    I addressed this issue numerous times.. Covid’s CFR has clearly dropped due to improve medical procedure , distribution of the virus in society etc. The reckless behaviour refers to rabbi conscious decision to spread the virus in their community in the early stages while the rest of society mitigates .. it is the interaction between OJ and the rest that was dangerous . I argue that this rabbis’ decision may have contributed to the high CFR in NY …

  111. Whitewolf says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    The rabbis believe in their own law. The laws of their host nation is just something to work around. If they don’t even respect the laws of Israel what hope is there for them to respect laws of “goyim” countries? Religious fanatics are always going to put the laws of their god first.

  112. @Alfred

    I am very interested in HIV/AIDS as I have a patent…

    Yeah, right.

    Sounds like you need a serious mental health exam.

    • LOL: Fran Taubman
    • Replies: @Alfred
  113. Amon says:
    @Herald

    Can. You. Read. English?

    • Replies: @Herald
  114. Poco says:
    @DaveE

    That never occurred to me. Really!? I must die? Wow! I didn’t know that. Thank you for the information.
    My resistance and planning will continue.

  115. Alfred says:

    Here is a wonderful piece of Israeli “marketing”. Their leading newspaper is comparing COVID-19 to the Second Intifada by the Palestinian people.

    It really cannot get more grotesque. Lies built upon more lies. 🙁

    I guess the next step will be comparing it to the “6 million …”

    They Survived the Second Intifada’s Suicide Bombings. Now COVID Could Kill Them Off

  116. Alfred says:

    It seems that demonising Orthodox Jews is orchestrated. The article above by Gilad Atzmon is merely a different version of the same manipulation. Such a wily bunch these Jews. 🙂

    We all know where the term “enemies of the people”. It was a favourite of the Jewish-led Bolsheviks.

    The term was used by Vladimir Lenin after coming to power, as early as in the decree of 28 November 1917

    Enemy of the people (Jewpedia)

    Opinion | Netanyahu Turned ultra-Orthodox Jews Into Enemies of the People (Haaretz)

  117. Why do devout Jews even live anywhere but Israel? Remember, the land all these evil white people gave to the Jews having gone to bat for them in the Second World War? What a bunch of meanies hey?

    These people have no interest in mixing or socialising outside of their own race, apart from when it suits them to make money or gain influence for their own agenda’s.

    – They want access influence and actual partaking at every level of Government
    – They demand the entire foreign policy revolves protecting a country they choose not to live in. Until they have sucked enough out of the host through networking and ethnic bullying . They make it miserable for the rest of us endlessly pursuing and financing liberal agendas they dont really care about -its just to divide, conquer and generate more power.

    They can disappear to Israel at any time. where as the rest of us have to live with the consequences of their actions. After all this, they whine constantly about how persecuted they are!

    Its beyond a joke now. Why can’t I go to Isreal and demand a the same? Because these people believe they are special and above us and everyone else on the planet, is just their to serve them. The worst thing is, other people from other races – have started to believe it. Sop they have given them the keys to the kingdom and now its coming to back to bite us.

    They should be allowed Visa’s for 5 years and thats it. You have a country, stop ruining ours.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  118. @Alfred

    Political class, from Pelosi to Di Blasio, are the biggest venal section of democracy… how else would a modern “Dante” end up at Yale without having the grades or amass a fortune a la the Speaker of the House.

    • Agree: Alfred
  119. Anon[405] • Disclaimer says:
    @Brooklyn Dave

    Yes, C19 is no problem. No idea whats all the fuss. No idea why all major countries have negative economic growth, except for China, which has totally defeated c19, oops sorry, that must be fake news

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2020/07/19/china-in-school-no-masks-and-a-runaway-stock-market/#4eac13146bec

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  120. Anon[405] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alfred

    Totally misleading charts. 90 percent or more of the cases in Asia is from One country – India, and 90% of cases in N America is from one country, the Great US of A….

    • Replies: @Alfred
  121. Alfred says:
    @Truth Hurts the Liars

    Sounds like you need a serious mental health exam.

    It received FDA approval as a “medical device”. I guess you are the one with an inferiority complex. 🙂

    Is My Product a Medical Device? (FDA.GOV)

  122. Alfred says:
    @Anon

    Totally misleading charts

    I agree. The British Bullshit Corporation is renowned for that. Witness the Skripals story, MH-17, Navalny, Russian submarines and all the rest of them.

    However, the fact remains that COVID-19 did not even cause a ripple in Africa. Africa is 3+ times as large as the USA and has 4 times as many people.

    Here is Melinda Gates trying to scare people 6 months ago.

    Gates Foundation Targets African Continent in Coronavirus Fight

  123. anarchyst says:
    @jacobs-adder

    Let’s not forget the uncontrolled immigration, the misguided but deliberate “civil-rights (for some)” movement, the corrosive effects of the jew-run “entertainment industry” on civil society, being imposed only on white gentiles by the “chosen”–jews…

    Let a jewess bring home a black “boyfriend” and see the fireworks fly. Both she and her black “boyfriend” would both be out on the street in short order.

    There’s more…

    Jews are so blatant in their double standards, one only has to look at the Christmas season where menorahs pop up on public property like dandelions after a rain, without a peep from the jewish organizations who are constantly spouting off about “separation of religion (church) and state”.

    Put a Christian display on public property and the jews come out of the woodwork, using “lawfare” to put a stop to Christianity in the public sphere.

    It gets even worse…

    Look up Kiryas Joel, and other “jews only” communities. If you are not jewish, you cannot buy a house, own a business, or even send your children to their “public schools”. Jews in these communities routinely flout the “fair housing”, public accommodation, and other “civil-rights” laws that apply to the rest of us while collecting “public benefits” both legally and illegally out of proportion to their numbers.

    The land that israel jews possess should be returned to its rightful owners. Where the jews go, I don’t care. They can go back to Turkey of Khazaria where they originated.

    In fact, a jewish “ghetto” could be established in New York City being walled off with entry and exit being strictly controlled.

    • Replies: @jacobs-adder
  124. @Fran Taubman

    The mayor spent a lot of time at larger BLM protest. But will not allow more then 10 Jews to pray.

    Cheer up, Fran!

    As you surely know, BurnLootMurder “protests” are largely organized & funded by genocidal anti-White Jews, while mostly Jewish & Black mayors refuse to intervene.

  125. @Leo-B

    It’s obvious that if this group defying the Covid restrictions were Irish in Ireland or even in America, Gilad would be campaigning them as models of Athenian thinking leaders. Solving the pandemic logically with herd amenity as opposed to the lock down hysteria of the Jerusalemites. But because the group is Haredi Jews Gilad goes after them.

    Why don’t these Haredi Jews give up these superstitions that separate Jews into a chosen group dedicated to a fantom crazy irrational divine being and become like the rest of humanity? Just drop these noxious customs that everyone makes fun of.

    Gilad’s criticism of the Haredi is not about Covid. It is pretty obvious to those reading this article. Even the Jew haters see thru the Covid logic he is claiming. The lawlessness of those Haredi LOL.

    • Agree: Alfred
  126. @Pat Kittle

    No, they’re just involved in anti-white conservatism and the Jewish takeover of our domestic policy.

    Have you ever met a (((Jew))) because it sounds to me like you just flew in from some underground casket in Transylvania. Ghoulish would be an understatement. BLM, NOI and all Black National movements think the Jews are the number 1 contributor to white racism. That the Jews are the (((Whites))) that are keeping them from elevating to equal status.

    So you think the Jews are anti white and support black nationalism against whites. Irrationally does not begin to describe you. You obviously have never met or actually talked to a real (((Jew))).

    • LOL: Alfred
    • Replies: @Pat Kittle
    , @Colin Wright
  127. @Fran Taubman

    Fran:

    Tell your hasbara superiors to give you more credible talking points when you’re at the Unz Report.

    This isn’t NPR or Fox News. We know about your kind here.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  128. @Anon

    ‘Yes, C19 is no problem. No idea whats all the fuss. No idea why all major countries have negative economic growth, except for China, which has totally defeated c19, oops sorry, that must be fake news’

    The Corona Virus isn’t the problem. It’s our collective response to it that is. We’ve burnt down the house to get that fly that started buzzing around the kitchen.

    …the irony is that the fly is still buzzing around, apparently blissfully unaffected.

    Now, I have a plan…

    Ignore the Goddamned Fly!

    • Agree: Alfred
  129. @Fran Taubman

    ‘Have you ever met a (((Jew))) because it sounds to me like you just flew in from some underground casket in Transylvania. Ghoulish would be an understatement. BLM, NOI and all Black National movements think the Jews are the number 1 contributor to white racism. That the Jews are the (((Whites))) that are keeping them from elevating to equal status.

    ‘So you think the Jews are anti white and support black nationalism against whites. Irrationally does not begin to describe you. You obviously have never met or actually talked to a real (((Jew))).’

    I refer you to this piece by the Editress in Chief of the Forward (can’t get much more Jewish than that.) It pretty much confirms the truth of what Pat Kittle apparently claims. Note the fine, wholesome activities of the elite of Jewish youth.

    https://forward.com/news/453820/a-summer-of-service-and-your-weekend-reads/

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  130. @Colin Wright

    I refer you to this piece by the Editress in Chief of the Forward (can’t get much more Jewish than that.) It pretty much confirms the truth of what Pat Kittle apparently claims. Note the fine, wholesome activities of the elite of Jewish youth.

    Go with Pat back to Transylvania. Maybe you can share a casket. You are a ghoul also. The article in the Forward was about Jewish teenagers pitching in to help people they think are in trouble. You should see what the children from my wealthy non Jewish friends are doing. Pink pussy hats, Women’s movement. BLM signs in their bedroom windows. Crazy stuff. That is what young adults do try and right the world. Its called idealism.

    When I was 15 I used to take a bus to the inner city in Baltimore to work as a volunteer at Project Head Start which was a big deal in the 1960’s. It was not a racial, cynical BLM story. I just wanted to help.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  131. @Pat Kittle

    We know about your kind here.

    Get a cross or some garlic and keep it with you at all times. In case you meet a Jew you can wave the garlic and the cross at them. Bring a torch and watch them scatter into the chilling night.

    I think you will be safe. But who knows.

    Haredi Jews live in areas abutting black and caribbean communities. Religious Jews to not support Black Nationalist movements who hate them. You should actually visit a Haredi neighborhood in Brooklyn, walk around and see what your eyes tell you. But you like the comedy of it all.

    • Replies: @Pat Kittle
  132. @Fran Taubman

    ‘…When I was 15 I used to take a bus to the inner city in Baltimore to work as a volunteer at Project Head Start which was a big deal in the 1960’s. It was not a racial, cynical BLM story. I just wanted to help.’

    That’s the worst of it. I, at least, am perfectly willing to grant that the motives of these Jews aren’t consciously diabolical.

    It’s the actual effect that’s the difficulty. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, as they say.

    There were lots of idealistic Nazis. Lots ‘n lots of ’em.

  133. That’s the worst of it. I, at least, am perfectly willing to grant that the motives of these Jews aren’t consciously diabolical.

    I see more non Jews as SJW way more, at least where I live. But I live in NY. I hang out with secular non Jews and religious Jews. You are just wrong in your thinking. Wealthy Christians are the worst liberals. At least the Jews know the horror that can happen when you do not pay attention to the sub plot. Jews are light years ahead of the WASP who are naive and think everyone and everything is good. To them, it is all good. Let them all in. I have this conversation with my WASP friends who have never had a bad day in their entire family history. They think I am cruel when I talk about what if……

    I realize this thinking fucks up your tract. But it is the truth. I am the only one voting for Trump among my non Jewish friends. I get a video a day from them trying to change my mind. Clorox jokes, the whole 9 yards. My best friend lives in Portland and she says she will arrange for the Proud Boys to meet me at the airport. She and her husband are big big Democratic donors, and host fund raisers all the time. She says all the protests in Portland are from the WS.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  134. @karel

    It’s really easy: it takes as little as 3 steps…
    ① spend half a decade studying at a global first-tier university in a quantitative discipline;
    ② do your Masters and (unfinished) PhD specifically on uncertainty quantification in large, nonlinear numerical systems; and
    ③ spend half a decade at a world-ranked quant ‘think tank’, then a decade or two in financial market quant research, machine learning and GIS (odd choice, but a fascinating field – and remarkably free from conflicted, shoddy research).

    After 30 years like that, you’ll have seen enough shoddy research to be able to spot it at a hundred yards (despite having pretty bad keratoconus), and you’ll have the quant chops to be able to work out where the shit is.

    Also, maybe chuck in “be sentient during the exposure of the breadth of the Replication Crisis” – since even passing awareness of this massive ongoing problem in science, should make everyone vastly more skeptical of literally every novel research claim.

    In fact “This is probably bullshit” should literally be everybody’s strong prior, if people like the former chief editors of Lancet and The New England Journal of Medicine are to be believed.

    See, for example…

    Ioannides, J. (2005) Why Most Published Research Findings Are False, PLOS Medicine 2(8): e124 – this paper is an example of not-shoddy work.

    Angell, M (2009) Drug Companies & Doctors: A Story of Corruption, New York Review of Books, Jan 15 2009

    Key excerpt:

    “It is simply no longer possible to believe much of the clinical research that is published, or to rely on the judgment of trusted physicians or authoritative medical guidelines. I take no pleasure in this conclusion, which I reached slowly and reluctantly over my two decades as editor of The New England Journal of Medicine

    Horton, R (2015) What is medicine’s 5 sigma?, The Lancet, Vol 385 (April 11, 2015) p1380

    Key excerpt:

    “The case against science is straightforward: much of the scientific literature, perhaps half, may simply be untrue. Afflicted by studies with small sample sizes, tiny effects, invalid exploratory analyses, and flagrant conflicts of interest, together with an obsession for pursuing fashionable trends of dubious importance, science has taken a turn towards darkness”

    Seriously: people who have only recently taken an interest in the type of bilge that has passed review in epidemiology over the last 50 years, are babes in the woods and need some sort of cognitive inoculation against white lab coats and/or government sinecures.

    It’s as bad as the CompSci knuckleheads giving their ‘HelloWorld‘ critiques of the ICL model (which is shit, but for reasons completely orthogonal to what the CompSci-tards think is the problem).

  135. @Fran Taubman

    ‘I see more non Jews as SJW way more, at least where I live. But I live in NY. I hang out with secular non Jews and religious Jews. You are just wrong in your thinking. Wealthy Christians are the worst liberals. At least the Jews know the horror that can happen when you do not pay attention to the sub plot. Jews are light years ahead of the WASP who are naive and think everyone and everything is good. To them, it is all good. Let them all in. I have this conversation with my WASP friends who have never had a bad day in their entire family history. They think I am cruel when I talk about what if……

    ‘I realize this thinking fucks up your tract. But it is the truth. I am the only one voting for Trump among my non Jewish friends. I get a video a day from them trying to change my mind. Clorox jokes, the whole 9 yards. My best friend lives in Portland and she says she will arrange for the Proud Boys to meet me at the airport. She and her husband are big big Democratic donors, and host fund raisers all the time. She says all the protests in Portland are from the WS.’

    I do believe that post reverses reality from start to finish. But maybe there was something truthful somewhere in the middle. I could have missed it. It’s possible.

    • Agree: Pat Kittle
  136. anonymous[200] • Disclaimer says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    The reckless behavior was Cuomo/de Blasio instituting an extremely excessive and constitutionally illegal lockdown that was economically and socially disastrous. All it did was destroy the economy and excessively slow down the eventual herd immunity. People will not put up with long term illogical diktats, it lowers compliance, particularly when they can see around the world that the places that had a more hands off approach were the most successful. I support the Othordox insurgency. Obviously they pay attention to Sweden and Florida statistics.

    • Agree: Fran Taubman, Alfred
    • Replies: @Insouciant
  137. @anarchyst

    Thanks, will do. The problem is they have done such a good job as portraying themselves as righteous victims, it is very hard to convince ‘normies’ of their complicity. It was only by showing a direct line from Jewish money to faux social justice organisations e.g Southern Poverty Law Centre etc and the lobbying and ‘law fare’ they conduct to push ridiculous liberal agenda’s – I was able to convince a few friends of the truth.

    You have to pick your battles. I do believe they have become too confident and have started to mock us by advocating increasingly crazy and pointless liberal programs, and this will be their undoing. Its like BLM, it doesn’t take much to see through the lies, its just hard to to educate people who watch only mainstream news and are distracted with their own lives -they don’t think any of this affects them!

    Plus, white people are obsessed with virtue signalling and being liked by other races, where as other races, hate kiss ass try hards who are ashamed of their own culture – more than they hate openly white racists. Just use simple language, easily confirmed statistics and data and hope people are smart enough to put it together. Its just so frustrating and isolating and I am at a point, I would rather be alone than have to listen to people talk utter crap about systemic racism etc

    Most ‘race realists’ use facts, logic and reason to put their points across like any intelligent debate should feature. Liberals just use ‘ideological caveats’ and slogans they have been spoon fed with no statistical or scientific backing. Its all just noise and distraction to cover up the truth.

    I am so disappointed in most of my friends who have suddenly become weak minded guilty SJW’s, nodding in agreement as their wives and girlfriends spout utter drivel about lack of opportunities for black men and how nothing is their fault etc. I can’t wait til said black men, steal these women as they are no longer attracted to feminised white ultra sensitive men. They would be better without them, the majority are ungrateful spoilt silly women who think the world should bow down in awe to them as they opened their legs and produced a few children.

    This somehow gives them mystical wisdom enabling them instant knowledge and informed opinion on any subject and they are never wrong! Slightly off-topic but I’m sure you know what I mean!

    Another thing we can thank Jews for -women in business who cannot ever just accept the word of a man even on specialist subject they have no knowledge of. They have to waste everyone’s time, just to prove ‘they think for themselves’ or they ‘wont be intimidated’. Some of the best and most productive people I have worked with have been women.

    Some of the worst have been under qualified female managers with a point to prove who instead of being professional and assertive -were just rude and put everyones backs up. The idea women get from Hollywood about being ‘sassy’ and ‘not taking shit, but still being sexy’ is ruining the workplace and giving decent women a bad name. Good luck getting rid of them or not promoting them!

    • Thanks: anarchyst
  138. Herald says:
    @Amon

    Get that bridge bought.

    • Replies: @Amon
  139. @anonymous

    Let’s not forget that the virus was spread in NYC by Jews from New Rochelle, who picked up the germ at an AIPAC meeting.

    Funny how that supremely important fact has been swallowed up by fingers pointing at Osama bin Laden er China.
    PBS helpfully did a special presentation on “Patient Zero,” https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/frontlines-first-major-documentary-on-covid-19-premieres-tonight/
    identifying him as Chinese and his place of landing-original spread near Seattle, Washington, just 10 miles from the Bill Gates foundation.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  140. @Gilad Atzmon

    Can you provide the source for your figure of the 99.998% survival rate? Thank you.

  141. Amon says:
    @Herald

    Okay, so you’re either a retard or a jew worshipping boomer.

    Either way you are a waste of space who didn’t read my post.

  142. Your journalistic standards have slipped badly. In fingering Hasidic Jews for New York’s shockingly elevated Covid death rate, you blame victims, not perpetrators. Governor Cuomo and Dr.. Howard Zucker deliberately targeted the ol and the indigent of minority populations for death. Thousands upon thousands deliberately murdered. With pure malice, Cuomo threatened nursing home proprietors with forfeiture of their licenses to operate if they didn’t accept those who were Covid infected into their facilities. On top of that, Cuomo and Zucker over road the standard of care at Elmhurst Hospital,in Queens with orders not to resuscitate, and not only that, these two murderous malefactors ordered pharmacists not to fill prescriptions for use as a life-saving treatment in the early stage of infection. Vaccine pushers Gates and Fauchi needed more mortality to create the proper clime of fear and panic and all to glad to oblige them was Cuomo the creep and Zucker the sucker (oh, did my finger slip on the keyboard and I put an “s” when I intended to put an “f”?) As for you my dear Gilad Atzmon, in telling the Hasidic community to “obey,” you remind me too much of the police inspector in Les Miserables yelling “It’s the LAW, it’s the LAW, when Nuremberg made it clear that we all have the right, nay the duty, to disobey an illegal order. Cuomo is an enemy combatant who needs to be frog-marched out of his office at gunpoint, and thrown into the back of a waiting police van so as to be sent to Gitmo for waterboarding.

    • Agree: Skeptikal
    • LOL: Fran Taubman
  143. Skeptikal says:
    @Insouciant

    ” his place of landing-original spread near Seattle, Washington, just 10 miles from the Bill Gates foundation.”

    Hmm, funny, that.

  144. Skeptikal says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    “Also, if you read my piece carefully you’ll gather that a virus with a 99.998% survival rate is hardly a catastrophe in my view.. this piece is about reckless behaviour, unlawful conduct and loving ones neighbor. It is about dismissal of others and otherness. It is about obeying the law even when it isn’t comfortable ”

    This just does not make sense, Gilad.
    What is “reckless” if there is no danger?
    What is “unlawful” is the law is patently, by your own implicit reckoning, without genuine object?

    As for “loving one’s neighbor,” a pretty good argument can be made that deliberate exposure to create herd immunity is *exactly* an appropriate way to show love one’s neighbor.

    Let’s suppose one’s neighbor—either Hasid or Gentile; let’s say it is you, Gilad— falls ill with covid-19. Guess who will be able to care for that neighbor?
    You are smart enough to know the answer, but you are acting so dumb these days that I will tell you: the person who has acquired immunity, that is who.

    The thousands and thousands–millions—who have been exposed and have shown no symptoms and not been ill, or have been only transiently ill—are actually a motherlode of potential care for individuals, and for the whole society. They can go to work.

    If, sir, there is something wrong with these arguments of mine, then please do let me know what they are.

    Unfortunately this whole “obey the law” screed sounds like nothing more than a way of taking pot shots at NYC Hasids from London. There are plenty of reasons to find Hasids, extremely distasteful, but creating herd immunity and dancing in the streets to thumb the nose at “health officials” is not one of those.

    As for taking pot shots, why not focus on the Hasid community in London and the rest of the UK.

    • Agree: Ivan
    • Replies: @Gilad Atzmon
  145. Skeptikal says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    “those rabbis who push for herd immunity clearly believe in the virus, they just don’t believe in the law ”

    Whoa, boy!

    “believe in”?

    Are you nuts?

    That is the language of religion, not science.

    Please, try “convinced of/persuaded by the evidence so far.”

    You’re welcome.

    • Replies: @Gilad Atzmon
  146. @Skeptikal

    There is no danger to yourself if you are a young yeshiva boy, but you clearly put at risk the life of an elder New Yorker…pretty simple ….

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  147. @Skeptikal

    No, I really believe in what I say… the rabbis are not guided by science,… they are following their Halacha law,,, I explain it here : https://www.unz.com/gatzmon/light-unto-the-covid/

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  148. Skeptikal says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    “Pretty simple,” but not as you assert.

    Pretty simple is that the greater the herd immunity, the better for everyone.

    You are making a false or at the best unstated assumption regarding transmission and infectiousness.

    This is where the confusion re positive tests (for the presence of SARS-CoV-2 virus) qua “cases” and actual cases of covid-19 has led us. To more confusion and kukuloris.

    A general reminder: SARS-CoV-2 is the *virus*. Covid-19 is the actual *disease* that a *small* percentage of those exposed to the virus come down with. These are *cases* of covid-19. A small percentage of the latter will have serious symptoms. And of those another small percentage will die. Most of the latter are elderly and/or have comorbidities.

  149. Skeptikal says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    Dear Gilad,

    Unfortunately all of your “explanations” relating to SARS-CoV-2 and covid-19 as published at UR have been weak.
    So, no point in revisiting that ground.

    It is you who apparently are failing to reread clear explanations offered repeatedly in comments to your flawed analyses.

  150. geokat62 says:

    It’s imperative to have a clear understanding of what comprises a “case” or CFR, and the reason it is separate and distinct from IFR.

    According to Wiki:

    Case fatality rate (CFR) measures the severity of the disease that causes death. For example, among a total of 200 patients with disease A, 20 of them died from the same disease within 30 days; the 30-day case fatality rate = 20/200 ∗ 100 = 10%.

    A CFR is the proportion of people diagnosed with a disease who die from the disease (cf. mortality rate).

    The infection fatality rate (IFR) is the proportion of people infected by a disease-causing agent, including asymptomatic and undiagnosed infections, who die from the disease…

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_human_disease_case_fatality_rates

    Rather than simply distinguishing between diagnosed and undiagnosed infections, they decided to include asymptotic infections in the definition of IFR. In other words, those who test positive but display no symptoms should not be counted as “cases.”

    Consequently, with governments pulling out all the stops to increase testing, they are intentionally inflating the number of “cases.”

    • Agree: Fran Taubman
    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
    , @geokat62
  151. I have a very simple question for Gilad Atzmon, requiring only a “yes” or “no” answer, are you going to get vaccinated when the Covid-19 vaccine becomes available or not? Will you submit to it or will you resist. Pray tell, which will it be?

  152. @geokat62

    The statistics on this Covid thing are such BS. Over 40% of the people who died, died not just from a co morbidity but from something else entirely and oh by the way had Covid If you are in stage 4 cancer treatment that is ultimately terminal as many people are (1 year or so) and you die and have cover that is considered a Covid death. This is also true of people with severe respiratory illness. I just think this Covid has become political to make Trump look like a killer, when if fact the death rate is 99.5 even amongst older people. If you are in a nursing home with other illnesses and you get Covid you have a significant chance of dying actually from Covid. But that should not stop the rest of us from going out and living our lives.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  153. Skeptikal says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Actually, per the strict pre-covid-19 guidelines for filling out the cause of death portion of the Blue Form (death certificate) the cause of death cannot be a disease syndrome such as covid-19, which comprises numerous factors that could be the actual cause of death, or may also “boost” preexisting morbidities.

    The Blue Form is (that is, was) supposed to specify actual cause of death in physiological terms, i.e., respiratory failure, heart failure, etc. “Covid-19” as a cause of death is, IMO, sort of like “old age” as a cause of death. Covid-19 infection would be listed as a contributory/secondary cause of death.

    The latter is (that is, was) specifically prohibited as a cause of death. People do not die from “old age.” Their bodies actually fail and stop functioning because of, e.g., respiratory failure, heart failure, other organ failure, etc.

    When some doctors protested at the gerrymandering of the Blue Form earlier this spring they were immediately sidelined and vilified as “conservative” or Trump supporters ya da ya da.

    Pathetic. Gilad seems to be innocent of the *many* ways in which the SARS-CoV-2 virus has been exploited for political purposes.

    • Thanks: Fran Taubman
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  154. @Skeptikal

    For some reason Gilad has a blind spot on the Orthodox Jews. It is a visceral reaction he has not checked with himself on for validity. He is the champion of non emotional analytical rational decision and not following laws hat make no sense. The Athenian vs. Jerusalem. Yet his above article is a template for Jerusalem. Like a prototype. Furthermore he does not even live in NY or know these communities and the people within them at all. I know the Hasidic community well as that is who I pray with they run my Chabad. My Rabbis brother died (58) of Covid very early on. He had diabetes which hid his breathing problems. Covid hit around March during Purim and there was a lot of large celebrations ( which they did not know about Covid at the time). That is why the Orthodox community was hit so hard. Many were hospitalized and okay. Mostly there is herd immunity within that community. Most of them have been exposed and are either asymptomatic or immune.

    To say they are breaking the law is ridiculous, and that it is about endangering other people. That is just BS. Gilad just hates Yeshivas and religious Jews. That is as plan as day. They are acting within their community, they are not endangering others. We had services outside with masks and distancing.

    No, I really believe in what I say… the rabbis are not guided by science,… they are following their Halacha law,,, I explain it here :

    Hasids are not following Halacha, that is also BS. Plus Gilad does not even talk to these people. They are following common sense. Mostly the orthodox community has heard immunity and antibodies. If that is not science I do not know what is. His reaction is illogical.

  155. As a child I saw the movie ME AND THE COLONEL about a Polish officer who was fleeing the Nazis and with him was a Jew (the latter played by Danny Kaye.) A recurring line of the colonel was “Less and less I like this Jakobowski,” until toward the end, when they reached safety, the colonel said, “More and more I like this Jakobowski!”

    So that sums up my position with regard to New York’s Hasidic community. You will understand where I am coming from in saying this upon seeing this recent interview with Rabbi Handler:

    This is no time to be knocking down on the Hasidic community, Mr. Atzmon. They fight.

  156. Yesterday in the grocery store I saw a man with his two little children, maybe 3 & 4 years old. All wearing masks — Dad & both little kids.

    The smaller child’s mask was soaked, maybe she was biting it. The older child’s mask was in almost the same condition — big wet spot around her mouth.

    What happens when that little girl’s lips and nose get chapped, red, then infected?

    I feel sorry for the Dad– he’s trapped, just like the nursing home owners were trapped by Cuomo: “If you do not wear a mask, you cannot come into the store.”

    That Dad’s choice was, make your kids wear these rags over their faces, or make them go hungry.

    “He has alternatives,” you say, and that’s probably true: he can place an order and pick it up curbside (for a fee) or have it delivered (greater fee).

    Hmmm.

    But those are still acts signaling compliance.

    Joe Sixpack — and think about it: what are the chances that Dad is out of work and that’s why he’s tending the kids — Joe Sixpack is not equipped to mount an activist campaign like Rabbi Handler.

    The Rabbi said “we have a lobbyist . . .” and we all know the Jewish community sticks together and DOES have people in high places to put pressure where they think it will be helpful.

    Joe Sixpack does not.

    If Joe Sixpack calls his congressman & complains about bogus “mandates”, he will be ignored at very best.

    He will be ignored because the government of Joe’s state is run by other powerful Jews, the very ones who are imposing those “mandates.”

  157. @Fran Taubman

    Long ago in L.A. I’d wave & say “Hi!” to the Haredi walking past my place.

    They were a grim-looking lot who never responded unless it was with a sneer.

    I got along very well with my secular Jewish friends. I’d feel sorry for those unhappy-looking Haredi.

    Since then I’ve wised up to the JQ — and the likes of (((you))).

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  158. @Pat Kittle

    Aww Patti you are so goulash and bitter. Don’t worry no one is going to take your broomstick away.
    I am glad you wised up though. Lock your doors and draw your curtains. When you see fog. Go stay with a friend. Jews appear where there is fog. Just saying. I become ghost like regularly.

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  159. @Fran Taubman

    (((Fran Taubman the dim-witted hasbara Jew troll))):

    Despite my criticism, I consider Ashkenazi Jews to be the most intelligent race on Earth, though my belief gets seriously challenged by the likes of (((you))).

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  160. @Pat Kittle

    ‘Despite my criticism, I consider Ashkenazi Jews to be the most intelligent race on Earth, though my belief gets seriously challenged by the likes of (((you))).’

    For every Ashkenazi with an IQ of 124, there’s one with an IQ of 94.

  161. @Brooklyn Dave

    It’s Easier to Fool People Than to Convince Them That They Have Been Fooled’?- Mark Twain
    Coronavirus is a hoax to disrupt world trade and travel and stop the rise of China’s digital yuan from becoming the world’s reserve currency and ending Dollar hegemony in over 130 nations. The New World order means one world currency or an digital currency ( cashless ). In the US – this is being done by the Rothschild/ Rockefeller contorted FED, in Briton by the bank of England also controlled by the Rothschild’s’. They also control the World bank, Untied nations, IMF and WHO – which enforces it on the third world and developing countries. The Chinese beat them by unleashing the Digital Yuan in over 130 countries. Hence the worldwide lock down. No trade, no travel. World War 111 or the so-called Trade war.
    “The COVID-19 hospital treatment demanded by the WHO—breathing ventilators and sedation—kills 97.2 percent of those patients over the age of 66 that are subjected to it. The Washington Post of April 22, 2020 reports : “ In New York’s largest hospital system, many coronavirus patients on ventilators didn’t make it.”
    “The officials and politicians of these countries are happy to manipulate numbers for funding from World Bank, IMF W.H,O and USAID . Doctors simply write “COVID-19” on patient files. After patients die, their charts can be tagged “COVID. ” The Pandmeic has become a “get out of jail card ” for third world politicians- who have blamed systemic poverty, hunger, unemployment and oppression on the virus. ”
    https://www.amazon.com/s?k=niroshan+perera&crid=1JCF6DS75ISKW&sprefix=niroshan+per%2Caps%2C144&ref=nb_sb_ss_i_1_12

  162. geokat62 says:
    @geokat62

    Consequently, with governments pulling out all the stops to increase testing, they are intentionally inflating the number of “cases.”

    … and it turns out the overwhelming majority of those inflated “cases” are false positives.

    According to a recent study, ninety percent of PCR tests in the United Kingdom are false positives, which means the PCR test is fatality flawed and should no longer be used.

    Excerpt from Lies, Damned Lies and Health Statistics – the Deadly Danger of False Positives

    Written by Dr Michael Yeadon on September 22, 2020

    [Dr Mike Yeadon is the former CSO and VP, Allergy and Respiratory Research Head with Pfizer Global R&D and co-Founder of Ziarco Pharma Ltd.]

    I believe I have identified a serious, really a fatal flaw in the PCR test used in what is called by the UK Government the Pillar 2 screening – that is, testing many people out in their communities. I’m going to go through this with care and in detail because I’m a scientist and dislike where this investigation takes me. I’m not particularly political and my preference is for competent, honest administration over the actual policies chosen. We’re a reasonable lot in UK and not much given to extremes. What I’m particularly reluctant about is that, by following the evidence, I have no choice but to show that the Health Secretary, Matt Hancock, misled the House of Commons and also made misleading statements in a radio interview. Those are serious accusations.I know that. I’m not a ruthless person. But I’m writing this anyway, because what I have uncovered is of monumental importance to the health and wellbeing of all the people living in the nation I have always called home.

    https://bsnews.info/lies-damned-lies-and-health-statistics-the-deadly-danger-of-false-positives/#:~:text=Lies%2C%20Damned%20Lies%20and%20Health%20Statistics%20–%20the,recently%20semi-retired%20from%20a%20career%20in%20the%20

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