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Visitors look at a model of Linglong One (ACP1000) at an expo in Beijing, China. © Reuters / Stringer
Visitors look at a model of Linglong One (ACP1000) at an expo in Beijing, China. © Reuters / Stringer

Technological advance in China is rapid, broad in scope and, one might suppose (apparently) incorrectly, of interest to Americans. It is also easily discovered. Subscriptions are not all that expensive to Asia Times, NikkeiAsia, the South China Morning Post, and Aviation Week. The web is awash in tech sites covering everything from operating systems for smartphones to quantum computing. Reading of Chinese efforts, one gets a sense of motion, agility, vitality remarkable in a nation that in 1976, when Mao died, was the poorest nation on earth. America maintains a lead in many things, but seems to be almost asleep and resting on scientific virtuosity that is now lacking.

I hope the snippets below will give a sense of this. In many of the fields involved, such as quantum computing and fusion research, I am not remotely competent to judge their merit, but when they appear in internationally respected journals of physics, they are clearly taken seriously by those who are competent.

  • China to Build World’s First Modular Mini-Reactor
    “Linglong One is a pressurized water reactor with a capacity of 125 MW – the first small commercial onshore modular reactor or SMR to be constructed in the world. After being launched, the SMR will be able to generate enough power to meet the energy demands of approximately 526,000 households annually.”

 

  • China maintains ‘artificial sun’ at 120 million Celsius for over 100 seconds, setting new world record

Another step in the quest for fusion power. Other countries, inclusing America, are working on this, but there was a time when the US would have been the clear leader. Times change.

  • BBC: China’s Chang-e Five Mission returns lunar samples

This was a sophisticated, automated endeavor involving a lunar orbiter, a lander that collected samples, a unit that took the samples back to the orbiter, and a return vehicle that parachuted into Mongolia. It was nontrivial engineering. And: It worked. Note how quickly this and the achievements mentioned in the following have come.

  • Chinese Mars Rover Begins Roaming the Red Planet
    “China’s Mars rover drove from its landing platform and began exploring the surface on Saturday, state-run Xinhua news agency said, making the country only the second nation to land and operate a rover on the Red Planet.”

Very impressive, like beating Murphy’s Law in straight sets. First, it was an orbiter, circling Mars and doing orbiter things. Second, a lander. Third, a rover. Americans are ahead still in some respexts, but not by much. The riveting thing is how fast the Chinese are catching up.

  • Chinese Astronauts Enter Space Station
    “Chinese astronauts floated into the country’s new Tiangong space station Thursday, becoming the first people to board China’s outpost in orbit after a successful launch from a military base in the Gobi Desert to start a three-month mission.”

When the International Space Station was being fomented, the Chinese wanted to take part. The US blocked them. So they built their own. The ISS is to be decommissioned in a few years, presumably leaving China as having the only functioning space station. It is notable that all of these off-earth efforts, to include the placing of a lander on the dark side of the moon, have worked.

  • China begins construction of its fifth rocket launch site
    “BEIJING (Reuters) – A port city in eastern China has launched an ambitious plan to build the country’s fifth rocket launch site, under a longer-term goal to ramp up space infrastructure to meet the demands of an expected boom in commercial missions.”

Why can the Chinese do all of these things at once? Because they have money and many smart engineers. Why do they have money? Because they make stuff and sell it. America doesn’t have money because it spends it all on aircraft carriers, and doesn’t make stuff because it sent its factories to…China. Why doesn’t America have more and better engineers? Because it has a far smaller base of STEM-capable young and because it is dumbing down its schools and universities for the gratification of unproductive minorities. Whose fault is all of this? Why…China’s. Who could doubt it?

  • City Journal:Identity politics has engulfed the humanities and social sciences on American campuses; now it is taking over the hard sciences. The STEM fields—science, technology, engineering, and math—are under attack for being insufficiently “diverse.” The pressure to increase the representation of females, blacks, and Hispanics comes from the federal government, university administrators, and scientific societies themselves. That pressure is changing how science is taught and how scientific qualifications are evaluated. The results will be disastrous for scientific innovation and for American competitiveness”

 

  • Physics.org: Chinese achieve new milestone with 56 qubit computer
    “A team of researchers affiliated with multiple institutions in China, working at the University of Science and Technology of China, has achieved another milestone in the development of a usable quantum computer.”

Not to worry. They can’t innovate.

  • The world’s first 100,000-ton deep-sea semi-submersible oil production and storage platform, China’s self-developed “Deep Sea No 1” energy station, has successfully completed installation of all equipment and is expected to start production at the end of June, China National Offshore Oil Corporation (CNOOC) said on Saturday.

Self-developed.

Stupidity beyond a certain point becomes entertaining.

  • China Launches Largest Self-Built Shield tunneling machine with adorable ‘panda’ outfit

The machine has a diameter of 12.79 meters and weighs 3,000 tons. It will be used in the construction of Jinxiu Tunnel, an essential component of the highspeed railway from Chengdu to Zigong in Southwest China’s Sichuan Province, which is known for being a home to pandas.”

The panda is hokey, and I don’t know how the beast compares with Western versions but China won’t be buying these things in the West.

• • •

A recent letter to an engineer friend:

The Tech War

The “tech war” is not a competition of technological prowess between China and America, but an attempt by the US to strangle China’s tech advance by denying it access to technology. It is a complex dance as America tries to block some technology and China tries to develop a substitute. The action is largely in the trenches, out of sight of the public. Being as I am both a lazy scribe and in touch with my inner geek, to give an idea of what is involved I append a letter I recently wrote to an engineer friend:

“Stu,

I wish I had picked your brains, as the only technically literate guy I know in Mexico with knowledge of Chinese technology, about a bunch of telecommunications and related questions. I presume you are familiar with YMTC’s 192-layer dual wafer NAND design. If they get their second fab line into volume production, what effect will it have on Samsung and Micron? Do they have the fab gear? Many have pointed out that the 28-nan node is fine for cars, the IoT, and edge computing but is it adequate for Five G? Goldman says China is on the verge of 14nan volume production, presumably with SMIC, but how does this fit with SMEE’s alleged 28 nm DUV scanner for this fall? Where does China get its RF chips? Sumitomo? I don’t know. Now everyone talks about third-gen semiconductors, silicon carbide and gallium nitride. The advantages are no secret, but what kind of fab line is needed to produce in volume? And some Huawei subsidiary says it has an excimer laser suitable as an EUV light source. Is Gowin really making its FPGAs with YMTC? Alibaba’s famous RISC V chip is in production, but can an open-source ISA compete with .x86 and ARM? I’m running off at the mouth, but this stuff interests me. And I keep finding things lie thes:On tech sites I keep finding things like this:

“5G is another boosting factor. The construction of 5G networks in full swing across China is resulting in the explosive growth of base station RF power amplifiers(PA) containing GaN suitable for high frequency and high power scenarios. In 2019 the number of power amplifiers used by China’s 5G base stations reached 18.432 million, and the number jumped to 73.728 million in 2020, a year-on-year increase of four times”

See you Sunday. Johnito swears he has the world’s finest margaritas and Vi is making refries.

Fred”

While the foregoing may sound like trivial technogabble, it is actually important. China buys some \$350 billion in semiconductors annually. A lot of this goes for unsexy things like memory. If YMTC (Yangtze Memory Technology Company, in Wuhan) can produce flash memory in volume, foreign firms, to include American, are going to lose the Chinese market, oops. Then, the Chinese being Chinese, they will flood the world market with cheap, but good, memory. This is not Fred’s maundering. You can find plenty of industry execs on the web worrying about exactly this. Peril lies in forcing a large country full of high-end engineers to compete with you. The industry knows this. Washington seems not to. Yet.

 
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  1. Jokem says:

    Red China is not Doctrinaire in its approach to Communism. They recognize the free market is the best engine to producing wealth there is, but it is only a matter of policy, not law, and can be dispensed with at the stroke of a pen. We here in the USA have forgotten that.

  2. Chinese leaders must really be amazed that we are self destructing at breakneck speed. There really isn’t much we could do as a failing society that doesn’t benefit China in some way. Our dependency on Chinese consumer goods, raw materials and of course the continued buying of US Treasuries with the trade deficit dollars puts China in control of our economy. We’ve just not published that fact too obviously.

    Like Fred writes, one side is ascending, one is descending. Which one will be in better shape by 2040?

  3. ruralguy says:

    True, but a Taiwanese company (they don’t think of themselves as from China), TSMC, dominates the world semiconductor foundry market with a 56% share. The semiconductor market is really a “commodity” market, despite the large capital devoted by TSMC and others towards research. In a way, circuit design at the SoC level is a commodity business, because new graphical tools allow easy graphical development of circuits. 95% of smartphones use an ARM IP Core, but ARM Ltd (British) is only valued at \$40 billion. With the new graphical tools, it’s not hard to tack together IP components to create a phone. So, this whole digital semi world is more of a commodity market. 5G technology? It’s just a standard, so it’s it’s not exactly high tech — more of a commodity.

    It you look at the revenue from the mixed-signal and standard catalog ICs, like Texas Instrument, you’ll see greater value, because they are targeting companies that are involved in non-commodity designs. The research and development labor corresponding to these parts, in the companies buying their parts is far greater than the components’ company’s revenue. I.e. if you want to trace the true high-tech developments, you have to follow the revenues to their sources.

  4. SafeNow says:

    In organic synthesis (= new drugs), a creative U.S. Big Pharma guy will invent a 50-step process for building a new molecule. The Chinese PhD‘s and their staffs then perform the fastidious “benchwork.” I suspect it’s like that for all sorts of things. The US cannot do the meticulous part anymore.

    Here in California, the magical motivating phrase, above all others, is “you don’t have to do hardly anything.” Whether it’s the school classroom, the college course, the sinecure job, removing a squatting tenant, being homeless, or many other things, “You don’t have to do hardly anything” is catnip to many people.

    • Agree: ruralguy
    • Replies: @Joe Wong
    , @robert scheetz
  5. @American Citizen

    If only both sides could work together with the only other friendly intelligent group to save the country.

    Only Asians and Europeans have invented things of magnetism. Because Europeans also have Asian patrilineal genes of Haplogroup-O, just like Nick Shying, Barry Shying and the Asian Brad Pitt. The European Haplogroup R descended from the East Eurasian part of Haplogroup-O.

    Genetically very similar too if you look at real examples.

    This white person with blue eyes and blonde hair is named Nick Shying which is an Asian word.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-10/first-chinese-settlers-descendants-reconnect-with-their-roots/9845804

    His ancestor was an Asian who had multiple white wives, the first one was Sarah Jane Thompson.

    Nick’s grandfather, Barry Shying, a grandchild of the Asian ancestor, still has a lot of Asian in him and looks fully white.

    If you are European and *not* one of them, you most likely have Asian patrilineal genes in you, just like Nick Shying and Barry Shying.

    Then there is the Asian Brad Pitt: https://imgur.com/a/bxy2BuQ

    • Replies: @Cho Seung-Hui
  6. Dutch Boy says:

    Not only were the lower-paying assembly-type scutwork jobs sent to China but also the technical design and engineering that goes with the manufacturing (at the insistence of the Chinese and with the cooperation of the American corporations). There are plenty of clever young people who could do those jobs here (most STEM grads here must find work in other fields) but the jobs are in China.

    • Agree: ruralguy
  7. Fascinating, isn’t it Fred? The frenzy with which these Europeanised-Chinamen have succeeded in outdoing the rest of the world in building a better mouse-trap?

    • Replies: @Dodge City Pete
  8. Uncle Al says: • Website

    1) Racial exterminations are good for a country (Uighurs, China).

    2) reGRETAble energy generation is good for a country (1949 gigawatts of soft coal-fired Chinese electricty)

    3) Economic warfare is good for a country (China subsidizing its manufacturd).

    4) Owning the world’s supply of dtate-of-the-art CPU anf solid state memory manufacture is good for a country.

    5) Leasing the Biden Crime Syndicate and its political, economic, sexual, racial, educational, and biological warfare upon Americans is good for a country.

    6) Leasing the Biden Crime Syndicate, its human genetic experimentation, and its crimes against humanity is good for a country.

    Any questions?

  9. Uncle Al says: • Website

    The USSR had its Cultural Revolution – gulgs, 20 million dead.
    China had its Cultural Revolution – famine, 30 million dead.
    The United States is having its Cultural Revolution – 184 million people vaccinated.

    https://pubs.acs.org/doi/full/10.1021/acs.jpclett.1c01475
    Don’t you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought? In the end we shall make thoughtcrime literally impossible, because there will be no words in which to express it.

    Support evolution. Shoot back.

    • Replies: @Robert Lindsay
    , @Sarah
    , @Anon
  10. Bayviking says:

    Holy crap, this does not look good for the arrogant Americans. I understand that 5G in the US will never operate up to specs because the US defense department refuses to surrender the bandwidth it controls necessary to function properly.

  11. @BostonWealth

    I’ve always wondered how Brad Pitt’s Asian adopted children would turn out. Sounds like not so well, sadly.

    On a side note, Pax has a really, really clean haircut here:

    I’m acquainted with an Asian adoptee of an extremely prestigious and historically significant old money WASP family. From what I can gather, full “acceptance’ by the family isn’t really there.

    • Replies: @The Mestizo
    , @Truth
  12. Franz says:

    America doesn’t have money because it spends it all on aircraft carriers, and doesn’t make stuff because it sent its factories to…China.

    And we know the history of the resistance to American deindustrialization, don’t we?

    Mostly we don’t, because since the Adam Smith necktie nongs from the Reagan years on, we can’t grasp that Free Trade was a scam that destroyed everything else. So a vital piece of our own history is memory holed. At the time there was plenty of resistance back then and even local papers wouldn’t cover it. Plant managers and workers, truckers and suppliers, all said outsourcing is NOT free trade and it WILL impoverish our grandchildren.

    Both nightmares came true. Thank traitors from George Will on the so-called right to nearly everybody on the so-called left.

    History is written by money as always.

    • Replies: @animalogic
    , @Rdm
    , @Dutch
    , @Jokem
  13. This article reads as if China just ‘magic’d’ itself a tech giant.

    Absent from the article is the fact that it couldn’t get a vehicle into a stable orbit before the Clintons.

    After the Clintons…and a ‘little’ help from Loral…they could.

    Filed under ‘Real Collusion…in the ’90s’…and also…

    …’How to sleep real well in the Lincoln Bedroom’.

  14. Ah Yes, I’m afraid it’s quite evident that American efforts to contain China are far too little, far too late. Trump correctly raised the alarm and the Biden administration has basically continued the China containment tack, but it’s at least 20 years behind the curve to have any hope of success.

    Too bad for the U.S. Sic transit gloria mundi and all that.

    • Agree: houston 1992
    • Disagree: Sarah
    • Replies: @Dumbo
  15. Anon[192] • Disclaimer says:

    A stupid article by a stupid man. Obviously, China does not have more money than the USA or the EU, and China’s status as a manufacturing hub is precisely tbe reason why. Backwards manufacturing economies do not make money, financial economies do. China’s GDP per capita is at Mexico’s level.

  16. mijj says:

    the decline of mass murdering, subverting, terrorising, illusion creating USA is good for the world.

  17. @joe tentpeg

    not being snarky: what is the real story on the Chinese effort to make military jet engines?
    what about their new commercial plane?

  18. Chinas was aiming for autarchic self -sufficiency any ways in semiconductor ecosystems, and wanted/wants the tech by hook or by crook. Ever heard of China 2025?

    Trump was able to impose some restrictions because some of the deep state agreed. I don’t think that Trump changed the rate of the Chinese drive for autarchy.

    Chinese currency is not a reserve currency, and to avoid outside manipulation never will be. So they aim for self -sufficiency , and need to be sufficient. Why give way their hard earned foreign currency needlessly? Autarchy is rational for a civilizational state despite the lunacy that the “comparative advantage” theorists cling to.

    in contrast, US elites want to run trade deficits to inject dollars/”reserve currency” into the global systems in addition to screwing over-paid former middle class Americans by shipping their jobs, technology and future to Asia. Elites like trade deficits whereas middle Americans shudder at the whole process.

    • Agree: Montefrío
    • Replies: @Zarathustra
  19. @Uncle Al

    Yeah-were you born this stupid, or did it overwhelm you through life?

    • LOL: 36 ulster
    • Replies: @Pinkcel Detector
  20. @joe tentpeg

    China became a tech giant through tens of millions of talented scientists and engineers over decades and investing massively in research, while Yanks were gutting their businesses like Intel and Boeing with share buy-backs and other financial parasitism.

    • Replies: @Nick Kollerstrom
  21. @Franz

    “History is written by money as always.”
    Absolutely.
    The US set upon the course of Financialisation in the late 70’s, early 80’s. It did so because the FIRE oligarchs gained control of the government & economic media & College faculty.
    The “woke” agenda is just another divide & rule tactic.
    40 years of self destructive behavior with no change in sight. The US is in bad trouble — to say the least.

    • Replies: @Dimoklitos
  22. meamjojo says:

    I welcome our new Chinese Overlords!

    Meanwhile, the USA sits around arguing over whether to spend a lousy \$3.5 trillion over a 10 year period (that’s only \$350 billion/year, about half of the “defense” budget).

    We should have had a massive 10 mile diameter working space station by now, a moon base, beaming unlimited power down to Earth for satellites, a cure for cancer, a fix for people with bad backs (me), fusion power and so much more.

    Instead, we just give the money to the already wealthy. Whew.

    • Agree: Houston 1992
    • Replies: @profnasty
    , @Ukraine Tiger
  23. This was a damn good column by Mr. Reed (and with some very good comments below too, so far).

    Why can the Chinese do all of these things at once? Because they have money and many smart engineers. Why do they have money? Because they make stuff and sell it. America doesn’t have money because it spends it all on aircraft carriers, and doesn’t make stuff because it sent its factories to…China. Why doesn’t America have more and better engineers? Because it has a far smaller base of STEM-capable young and because it is dumbing down its schools and universities for the gratification of unproductive minorities. Whose fault is all of this? Why…China’s. Who could doubt it?

    Yes, this is an excellent summary, in that one paragraph. I disagree only slightly, and it’s likely because the author is not really familiar with the insourcing that has been going on in university Engineering, Computer, and Science departments over the last 30 years, arguably 35. At your average big university, these departments* were still large majority American, faculty and graduate students, back in 1990.

    It’s another example of the BS about “jobs Americans just won’t do.” Americans are plenty smart enough to get through these graduate programs, but when the (at this point mostly Chinese/Indian) foreign grad students and post-docs will take these slots for much lower stipends, many temporarily** importing Mothers-in-Law to take care of the kids, and living in crappy housing, American have found that they didn’t want that lifestyle for 1/2 or a full decade. This is just another example of “insourcing” cheap labor. Never mind the occasional expensive bit of national defense espionage, the more occasional technological espionage (see “Chinese grad students and airbag espionage”), and, more importantly, the loss of human capital.

    There always has to be a small bit of stupidity even in the best Fred Reed posts, so that last sentence in the excerpt above just had to be there. Yes, the dumbing down for those privileged People of Colors is also a big problem. No, nobody has said that was China’s fault. Got a link to back up that thought, Mr. Reed?

    PS: Long before Fred Reed went to China, but not before Dick Nixon did, from our experiences in that country, we noted the amazing build-out of the infrastructure in “A Peak Stupidity apology to our Chinese readers”.

    .

    * Along with the Humanities even more so, but now even these ones are staffed with way too many foreigners, often Chinese people who want to get a foothold in the country. Yes, Fred, they still do – as amazing as the technological progress is in China, there are still lots of reasons to GTFO. See Peak Stupidity‘s post on “The Chinese Visiting Scholar Scam”. (Get this, we apparently need the benefit of Chinese visiting scholar experts in ENGLISH!)

    ** At least, to start, it’s temporary.

    • Replies: @ruralguy
    , @Boomthorkell
  24. UNIT472 says:

    China’s space program is coming on fast but it is mostly examples of ‘Monkey See, Monkey Do’. Remember NASA put two Viking Landers on Mars almost 50 years ago and developed the landing system China copied (stole) to put its Rover on Mars years ago.

    China has not yet launched anything comparable to the Hubble, Spitzer or Chandra X-ray ( a technological marvel) space telescopes so has not made any real scientific contribution to mankinds understanding of the cosmos. Hopefully, in October NASA and the ESA will get the enormous James Webb space telescope launched and, once again, real space exploration will begin again, no thanks to China!

    OK China is building a LEO space station. What is NASA up to. Building a permanent lunar base! Does China have any rocket with the lifting capacity of NASA’s space launch system? No, they don’t so any more ambitious deep space missions are a decade or more in their future.

    Speaking of Deep Space NASA and JAXA have probes that collected samples from asteroids and are on their way back to earth. We have put probes around Saturn and Jupiter and actually landed on Titan. We’re going back too this time with a helicopter and on its way to the Sun is the fastest manmade object ever built, the Parker Solar observatory. China is still in the minor leagues when it comes to space!

  25. “Western man towers over the rest of the world in ways so large as to be almost inexpressible. It’s Western exploration, science, and conquest that have revealed the world to itself.” Enjoy the Three Gorges again in 30 years.

  26. Dumbo says:
    @Barbarossa

    Ah Yes, I’m afraid it’s quite evident that American efforts to contain China are far too little, far too late

    Why should we need to “contain China”?

    I don’t really care about China one way or another, and don’t really like their model, but they seem less keen on exporting evil ideologies worldwide, or promoting wars and colour revolutions everywhere in the name of “gay rights” or “democracy” or whatever, than the US…

    If the US took more care about what happens inside its own borders, than about what happens in China, Russia, or the Middle East, we would have a better world.

  27. Anonymous[412] • Disclaimer says:
    @joe tentpeg

    Absent from the article is the fact that it couldn’t get a vehicle into a stable orbit before the Clintons.

    And today they have rovers on Mars. What does that tell you?

    • Replies: @Badger Down
    , @Bill Jones
  28. Anonymous[238] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Fred is not a “stupid man”.

    Far from it.

  29. @joe tentpeg

    Can’t blame them for taking the path of least resistance. If it’s easier to steal than innovate, they will do it. That doesn’t mean they don’t have the smarts to innovate if they have to. And let’s not forget the main point, which is that the US is becoming stupider while China is becoming smarter. That is indisputable.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman, Escher
    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  30. @ruralguy

    Its a commodity business only at the level of prior generations. That’s why there’s massive investment to jump in to the next generation. TSMC made a good bet on contracting with a European company’s technology that would make the leading edge machines that TSMC w0uld then use in its own factories. At the same time Intel made a bad bet and invested in a technology that didn’t end up working as reliably as TSMC’s European supplied machines. Both took a gamble on future technology, and next time the winners / losers might flip.

    Interestingly, the US slapped global sanctions on the european company that supplied TSMC when it heard that a Chinese company was also about to buy the european company’s machines. Before that moment, the Chinese government had no special interest in integrated circuits. Once it learnt that the US had imposed the sanctions, it immediately set up institutes of technology around China tasked with building from the ground up a 100% chinese IP chip manufacturing capability while training future chip engineers and scientists in the 1000s. Forecasts in the west are that China will have developed a stack of technology by 2025 that will match today’s state of the art, and it will be entirely level by 2030.

    Another case of sanctions encouraging the development of competing technologies that will ultimately make western businesses less competitive.

  31. And I’m supposed to care why?

    • Replies: @Joe Wong
    , @Dave Bowman
  32. China is run by technocrats, engineers and scientists. We are run by attorneys, politicians, inbreed rich elites.

    • Agree: Fred777
  33. @Dumbo

    Why should we need to “contain China”?

    That’s fair enough, and was perhaps sloppy wording on my part.
    My intent was criticism of the way that China’s rise has been abetted at the expense of American jobs, industries, and intellectual property by those in the political and corporate class who have made a quick buck in the short term.

    I don’t have a problem with China. They have played their cards well as we have played ours ineptly.
    They took advantage of the situation for their benefit as any sane country would.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  34. FortHay says:

    Phrase to learn for the woke graduates of tomorrow: 你要米饭吗? (Would you like rice with that?)

  35. anonymous[155] • Disclaimer says:

    This Chinese kid created a self-balancing bicycle on his own

    • Thanks: Sarah
    • Replies: @HeebHunter
  36. nsa says:

    “China’s rise has been abetted at the expense of American jobs, industries, intellectual property….”
    Pure crap….the kind of whinging self-serving idea adopted by those unwilling or incapable of competing on a level playing field. Chinese electronic manufacturing and components are quite good, especially compared to the offerings of Americans i.e. none. There is simply no electronic manufacturing in the US because the society is simply incapable of it…..too stupid, lazy, diverse, and drug addled to tend and maintain the high speed surface mount technology machinery necessary for modern electronic manufacturing. It’s just that simple.

    • Replies: @Bert
    , @Marylou
    , @Brockland A.T.
  37. Blissex says:

    «There is simply no electronic manufacturing in the US because the society is simply incapable of it…..too stupid, lazy, diverse, and drug addled to tend and maintain the high speed surface mount technology machinery necessary for modern electronic manufacturing. It’s just that simple. »

    It is simple but in a totally different way: USA businesses obsessed with anti-union strategies, and professional anti-union consultants tell CEOs that industries with high capital densities requiring skilled or semi-skilled workers are easily “infected” by labor unions. In China-mainland that does not happen because the government has forbidden independent labor unions, and semi-skilled workers and skilled engineers in manufacturing therefore cannot take advantage of favourable conditions to unionize and win better wages and rights.

    Therefore in the USA businesses much prefer to setup service industries with very many locations and low-skilled easily replaces workers and low capital densities, as in McDonalds or Wal*mart or Uber, as if the workers try to unionize they can be much more cheaply eliminated.

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @rr2119
  38. Based Lad says:

    China is a testament to the animating power of homogeneous national socialism.

    • Replies: @Ragno
  39. A good article by Fred.

    The future is being Made in China.

  40. BluEidDvl says:
    @American Citizen

    Agreed. I think though that you’re being very optimistic thinking this country will survive as an intact nation by 2040!. I would be shocked if it survives intact til 2030 🤔. China must be laughing their arse’s off but also bewildered as to WHY we self imploded & allowed this to happen to ourselves?. They must think we’re all suffering from some bizarre form of self inflicted brain damage?.. let’s face it, everything you could possibly imagine a country doing that would lead to it’s own destruction, we’re doing it!. Let’s look at some facts..

    1: We’ve allowed a vast bulk of our productive capacity to be offshored. Production is the only true source of wealth. Along with losing that production capacity is the skill set that goes with it. The engineers/technicians/skilled workers..

    2. An utterly collapsed educational system. We’re now far more concerned with PC/CRT & “uplift” that merit, competency & ability have lost all meaning. China now graduates 10 TIMES as many STEM degrees as the U.S. per year..

    3. Our infrastructure is collapsing everywhere. The productive peoples (Whites) are shrinking in numbers & fleeing the cities in droves & along with that is the tax revenue that maintains infrastructure & public services..

    4. Demographic collapse & replacement. As said, our numbers are shrinking, we were 90% in 1960 & 60% now & dropping fast. History has shown that multiracial societies ALWAYS self destruct..

    5. Most importantly: Race is absolutely real. We forget that at our peril. We, our children & our civilization will pay dearly for forgetting that fundamental fact..

  41. Savageone says:

    Let’s not forget the greatest Chinese achievement to date – The China Virus! They have managed to unleash a toxic and untraceable, but relatively mild virus as far as germ warfare goes, on the world, killing 6 million and counting civilians from every country on earth, as well as millions of their own elderly (which has not been reported). This has allowed them to crash the economies of every other country while increasing their production and exports and at the same time reducing their geriatric population, saving them billions on elder care. Their aging population was going to be a continuing drain on their economy, and they needed an edge in exports to continue to stimulate jobs and this brilliant military action killed two birds with one virus. Brilliant. And apparently, there is not enough evidence or not enough interest for world leaders to do anything at all about it. Brilliant!

  42. @BluEidDvl

    “5. Most importantly: Race is absolutely real. We forget that at our peril. We, our children & our civilization will pay dearly for forgetting that fundamental fact..”

    I’m middle aged. I completely expect that within 20 years younger whites will be spitting on me and white people my age. Either (a) they’ll be so steeped in anti-white anti-western civ that older white people will be mistreated and derided as people who need to die off, or (b) they will blame my generation for ignoring facts and deciding that cheap consumer goods were more important than maintaining a civilization.

    • Agree: BluEidDvl
    • Replies: @BluEidDvl
    , @noname
  43. BluEidDvl says:
    @American Citizen

    Agree wholeheartedly. I should’ve added number #6-the enemy from within. Our own people who wouldn’t hesitate to destroy anyone who doesn’t think exactly as they do. Alas, the gravest threat to our people is.. our people.. 😒

    • Replies: @Fred Not Reed
  44. Daniel H says:
    @Anon

    Backwards manufacturing economies do not make money, financial economies do.

    Eat my derivatives, jackass.

    • Replies: @tamo
  45. @ruralguy

    Good observation, but remember, China is the world leader in designing chips for special purposes like neural processing. They’re behind in 5-7 nm. fabbing, but almost abreast in most other areas. As Fred implies, the looming storm will begin to break this year.

    They’re also fast adopters and exploiters: 90% of the world’s 5G users are Chinese, and Tibet has broader, faster 5G than the SF Bay Area.

    • Thanks: emersonreturn
    • Replies: @Savageone
  46. @joe tentpeg

    Rubbish. Mao put a satellite in space. They could have made faster progress there but had to prioritize basics like agriculture and education.

  47. @houston 1992

    The US inherited German and British jet engine technology in 1946 and has been developing fighter engines every since.

    Yet Pratt & Whitney and GE spent 12 years developing prototypes of the F119 engine in the 1980s, followed by another 14 years of testing after the engine’s maiden flight, fitted to an F-22, in September 1997.

    China’s WS-15 has been under development for eleven years because it’s so ambitious. Compare thrust figures:

    Pratt & Whitney F119 91kN

    GE F-15K. 131kN

    Shenyang WS-10. 140 kN

    P&W J58 (SR-71 Blackbird). 150kN

    Shenyang WS-15, 160kN, has just completed ground testing (with that thrust reached), and is testing on an IL-76LL platform.

  48. Smith says:

    It seems those who don’t understand China either worship or fear China.

    But those who do understand China, learn from China.

    If China can bite their lips and swallow their pride and learn from their adversaries such as Japan, the US and Russia, so can anyone else.

    Ego and jealousy are in the way of knowledge and wisdom.

  49. @Hapalong Cassidy

    There is no record, in any jurisdiction on earth, of China stealing significant IP. None.

    Read Prosecuting Chinese “Spies”: An Empirical Analysis of the Economic Espionage Act, by Andrew Chongseh Kim* Cardozo Law Review, Volume 40 Issue 2.

    CONCLUSIONS: This Study finds that Chinese and other Asian-Americans are disproportionately charged under the Economic Espionage Act, receive much longer sentences, and are significantly more likely to be innocent than defendants of other races. Although it is possible that Asian-Americans are prosecuted more often because they commit espionage more often, it is also possible that they are prosecuted more often because the DOJ has focused more resources to detect and punish spying related to Asian countries and defendants and so spends fewer resources investigating espionage conducted by defendants of other races. This Study also suggests that the DOJ is more likely to file charges prematurely, based on weak evidence, when the case involves an Asian-American defendant. Although some of these disparities may reflect legitimate concerns over the risk of flight, they may also reflect implicit biases with regard to the loyalty of Asian-Americans to the United States. In addition, this Article reveals that the traditional justifications for pretextual prosecutions generally do not apply to convictions of Asian-Americans originally suspected of espionage for false statements. Rather, these convictions harm the accountability of the DOJ, may serve to punish otherwise innocent minorities simply for being wrongfully profiled, and, ultimately, may force loyal Americans to refuse to cooperate with investigators for fear of being punished for false statements. By addressing racial biases and creating more transparent processes for charging and resolving espionage cases, however, we can reduce the number of innocent Americans charged with espionage and minimize the harm caused by these unfortunate cases.

    http://cardozolawreview.com/prosecuting-chinese-spies-an-empirical-analysis-of-the-economic-espionage-act/

  50. KenH says:

    China does not permit a hostile Jewish elite and a black and brown underclass inside its borders. Nor does it subscribe to race blindness preached by Tucker Carlson almost every night. China is reaching towards the stars as white Western nations used to do.

    China is a serious country who’s proud of its racial and cultural heritage unlike white nations throughout the West wallowing in wokeness, self hatred and racial masochism.

    • Replies: @9593
  51. @Godfree Roberts

    k

    semiconductor ecosystem:
    do you have an informed link(s) to the state of the Chinese semiconductor ecosystem including

    EUV
    advanced photoresists
    GaN Gallium Nitride
    SiC

  52. Nothing from the technical media. What I have is pretty scanty: https://asiatimes.com/2020/12/china-a-step-closer-to-independence-in-microchip-war/

    More stuff amplifying Fred’s:

    Tsinghua wins Student Supercomputer Challenge, outperforming 300 teams from universities around the world. The team won for second straight time by solving problems in artificial intelligence, pulsar searching, and quantum computer simulation. Read full article →

    UST Shanghai’s 56-qubit quantum computer completed a random quantum circuit sampling task 100 times harder than that solved by Google’s Sycamore, in 1.2 hours. “Our experiment unambiguously demonstrated a computational task that can be completed by a quantum computer in 1.2 hours but will take an unreasonable time for any supercomputer”. Read full article →

  53. Anonymous[428] • Disclaimer says:

    China: “How do we make more cool shit?”

    USA: “Should June be Pride month or BLM month?”

  54. Renoman says:

    They won’t go to war with America they will buy it and it will work because America is filled with very stupid people.

  55. Bert says:
    @nsa

    and drug addled

    Legalization of marijuana seals the doom of the U.S. Totally the wrong direction. China ranks first in the world by number of executions related to drug trafficking. That is what a serious country looks like.

    • Agree: GomezAdddams
  56. Smith says:

    But shouldn’t this article’s title be Watching USA: Anatomy of a Suicide?

  57. ruralguy says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Never mind that our universities have been invaded, .. our U.S. Defense department has its hands full, watching the world, waiting for German and Japanese troops that try to rush the U.S. in tanks and amphibious landing craft. Our U.S. industry has been hollowed out, by \$500 billion per year intellectual property theft and the hollowing of U.S. industry by direct foreign investments (we export (3?) times more through direct foreign investments than our through domestic exports). But our Defense Department doesn’t see any Stuka dive bombers leveling our industry, so all is well on the midnight watch. Our U.S. population are been replaced by foreigners, tens of millions of them streaming over the border and through our airports, mostly from failed nations throughout the world (only 20% of California children are now white, with the rest of the states fast approaching them), but the U.S. Defense Department is fully prepared for any invasions of Japanese and German soldiers, relentlessly pacing back and forth, between their posts, avoiding any contact with the 160 million immigrants (inlcuding their U.S. children) streaming by them.

    • Agree: Mevashir
  58. @Jokem

    China’s policy seems more like fascism than communism. Nationalist fascism worked wonders for Italy and Germany before the globalist money powers combined forces to do everything in their power to defeat it. Now fascism is unfairly viewed by most as an absolute evil. China, with its superior planning and with initiatives like its BRI, is using its economic might to help other less developed countries advance, while the US continues to drop bombs on them. With its billion plus population and growing military might, it will avoid what happened to Germany, while it leaves Biden’s crumbing USA in the dust.

  59. @ruralguy

    I agree with your sentiments, RuralGuy, if not the specifics – I know you were being facetious, so maybe “those Ruskies and the Taliban heavy bombers”?

    Changing to the other half of the problem, the illegal immigration (OK, 1/2 of 1/2, as there are plenty of Chinese/Indian illegals too), let’s consider this too, R.G., though our author here, Mr. Reed may get his panties in a wad about it: America has ~ 25,000 soldiers, sailors, and airmen in South Korea still 68 years after the end of the Korean War! (No, they are not the same people.)

    A few years ago, when we still had some hope in President Trump, Peak Stupidity did some back-o-the-envelope calculations in “Border control maintenance vs. defending some Koreans from other Koreans”. With regular shifts and very decent pay, those 25,000 troops could defend the entire US/Mexican border easily, with personnel to spare. The logistics costs would be an order of magnitude lower than for the “Defense of South Korea”, a country that we run huge trade deficits just as with everyone else over there. Madness!!

    • Agree: Sarah
    • Replies: @ruralguy
  60. xxxeliss says:

    STEM shortage is a lie , USA has more STEM graduates than STEM jobs

    • Replies: @MarkinPNW
    , @Ukraine Tiger
  61. rr2119 says:
    @Blissex

    I’m a retired union electrician. I remember in in the late 70s all the HR dept. putting up diversity posters and starting to push that . Along with we need to send jobs to other countries in-order to remain competitive. I went to many companies to work and it all came about the same time.Then came the immigration push to beat down the unions and the wages of white Americans. This is coordinated at the top. I hate what the greedy have done to our county and the West. It follows what they have done to Europe the UK etc. I wouldn’t go into who I think is behind this but the parasites are from within.

    • Replies: @ruralguy
  62. @Anon

    I’ve seen pics and videos of China’s cities, and high-speed trains, and dams, and airports, and bridges, and military strength.

    I’ve also seen pics and videos of Detroit, and Chicago, and Baltimore, and tent cities in LA, and fiery “peaceful protests,” and tranny US military officers.

    Now, what was it that you were saying?

    • Agree: GomezAdddams
    • Replies: @Hacienda
  63. ruralguy says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    “Madness ” nails it. The U.S. has 600 bases overseas and a yearly budget of \$700 billion, but not the slightest idea of what they are defending. The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff seems to think the new enemy is the KKK and whites. He actually has been saying that in his defense of the importance of CRT. Yup, the Defense Dept, at 1.4 million strong, with its 20 aircraft carriers, 13,000 aircraft, and 656 ICBMs/SLBMs, 6,185 nuclear mirvs, finally has a mission. Launch a war against the 150-200 strong KKK (ADL estimate). Hyperbole? Not really, the FBI has made the KKK its primary target, directing its 35,000 agents and professionals against it. I would actually place a bet on the KKK to win both the military and FBI wars against it — our civil leadership abnormally interprets reality so they will end up fighting the narrative in their mind, and then self implode, as do all schizophrenics (defined as a person who abnormally interprets reality).

    • LOL: BlackFlag
    • Replies: @Sin City Milla
  64. ruralguy says:
    @rr2119

    rr2119: Are you serious? You union workers have solidly voted for Democrat candidates that have fought for open borders, refugees, illegal immigrant paths to citizenship, benefits for illegals, since 1965. Yes, corporations also vote for this, but the voter base on the right has been the only opposition to immigration since 1965. Wake up and pay attention. Look at the vote tallies in Congress and the Senate, then go look in a mirror. You’ll see the guilt staring back at you.

    • Agree: Gordon K. Shumway
    • Replies: @Bill
  65. @mijj

    The decline of mass murdering, subverting, terrorizing, illusion creating American government is good for the world. But very, very bad for American citizens who oppose the evil agendas of politicians they never voted for.
    FIFY

  66. Marylou says:
    @nsa

    I would change the word sequence a bit.

    Too diverse, drug addled, stupid, lazy.

  67. GuestAug says:

    If you want to learn about China, skip the middlemen (Asia Times, NikkeiAsia, the South China Morning Post, and Aviation Week).

    China Global TV Network (CGTN) operates a popular English-language YouTube channel
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgrNz-aDmcr2uuto8_DL2jg
    in addition to the cgtn.com web site.

    Global Times, also in English is at https://www.globaltimes.cn/

    These are China state-owned media outlets. It’s advisable to compare what they have to say with non-Chinese sources.

    • Replies: @GuestAug
  68. Doug1943 says: • Website
    @Anon

    We have to look at reality as it changes, and not take a static picture. The question is NOT “What is China’s per capita GDP now, but … in what direction is it changing, and how fast.

  69. Escher says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Do you have nothing better to do with your time, God Free?
    You seem awfully Uighur to defend the Chicoms.

  70. d dan says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    “CONCLUSIONS: This Study finds that Chinese and other Asian-Americans are disproportionately charged under the Economic Espionage Act, receive much longer sentences, and are significantly more likely to be innocent than defendants of other races. ”

    Thank you for the report – it is a well known Study that many Asian Americans are fully aware of. This is the combination of modern Mc-Carthyism and Jim Crow at work.

    Only in an extremely racist country like US would people deny and ignore the conclusion.

    • Agree: GomezAdddams
  71. Ragno says:
    @Based Lad

    The truth they’ll hound – or jail – you for pointing out.

  72. @Smith

    I feel a lot of resonance in this post of yours. China has been the underdog, and been humbled, so many times in its history but still be able to bounce back from the bottom of the pit multiple times– all because of what you have described!

    One question though: Do Vietnam and the Vietnamese understand China?

    • Replies: @Smith
    , @Anon
  73. Great article w/ one apparently really idiotic comment. Oh, well. “Because it has a far smaller base of STEM-capable young and because it is dumbing down its schools and universities for the gratification of unproductive minorities.” Unless he is referring to the Pentagon, then he is a brilliantly objective racist. I choose to allow him the benefit of the doubt. The problem is a lot simpler. There are too few qualified scientists at graduate level in the US to maintain a corporate hegemony on a global scale. Maybe the Chinese can help us with that.

    • Replies: @Brockland A.T.
  74. @nsa

    … China uses American patents.

    For example, the iPhone is merely assembled in China. Apple even scored big off Huawei for patent infringement.

    None of the major modern locked-in technologies in use or in the pipe are Chinese.

    Made in China (with U.S. patents) was a good system for U.S. elites and consumers, but Europe was falling behind.

    Europe First globalist imperialism had to arrange a trade war between these natural Makinderan geopolitical giants to stay relevant.

    • Replies: @BostonWealth
  75. @rothschild

    More like India over China now, for geopolitical reasons.

    The U.S. has always been a magnet for ALL the world’s best and brightest, and U.S. tech far more reliant on imported talent than most realize.

    The feeling seems to be though, Chinese talent is superfluous to the U.S. now.

    Chinese talent will likely have to find outlet in Europe and Israel. Conveniently for Europe and Israel.

  76. They have 300,000 people with IQ 160+. We have 10,000. They can spare some.

    • Replies: @BostonWealth
    , @hoo hoo
  77. @Godfree Roberts

    You are right. They should work together.

    Only Asians and Europeans have invented things of magnetism because Asians and Europeans are genetically similar.

    Europeans have Asian patrilineal genes of Haplogroup-O because the European Haplogroup R descended from the East Eurasian part of Haplogroup-O.

    The genetic similarities are so obvious if you look at real examples of Asians and Europeans, just like Nick Shying, Barry Shying and the Asian Brad Pitt.

    This white person with blue eyes and blonde hair is named Nick Shying which is an Asian word.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-10/first-chinese-settlers-descendants-reconnect-with-their-roots/9845804

    His ancestor was an Asian who had multiple white wives, the first one was Sarah Jane Thompson.

    Nick’s grandfather, Barry Shying, a grandchild of the Asian ancestor, still has a lot of Asian in him and looks fully white.

    If you are European and *not* one of them, you most likely have Asian patrilineal genes in you, just like Nick Shying and Barry Shying.

    Then look at the Asian Brad Pitt: https://imgur.com/a/bxy2BuQ

  78. @Cho Seung-Hui

    I knew a family like this when I was growing up. The kid’s “parents” are trust fund brats. Ugly wife, useless husband (Pinkerton type) adopted a boy from the PI so that they could keep getting cash from the trust by “doing good”. They gave this kid the most WASPy name. They didn’t like him. They hated me. lol. We were classmates from kindergarten. He adopted some of their prejudices and it is a hoot to hear him express himself.

    • Replies: @Cho Seung-Hui
  79. @Brockland A.T.

    LMFAO. You are uneducated.

    iPhone was based on iPod.

    iPod was based on Asian patents. Infringement for so many years.

    • Replies: @littlereddot
  80. Easyrhino says:

    It doesn’t help that our dear and loyal “ally” Israel has had a habit of re-exporting classified US weapons technology to the Chinese.

    • Agree: mark green
  81. Savageone says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    And here is an example of some of their high-tech manufacturing: https://pin.it/3aZSM1C

  82. GuestAug says:
    @Brockland A.T.

    Chinese talent will likely have to find outlet in Europe and Israel. Conveniently for Europe and Israel.

    LOL! Chinese talent is returning to (or staying in) China. There is nothing that Europe, Israel, or the US can offer to Chinese (and the rest of the world’s) talent that Shenzhen or Shanghai does not do better!

    Go East, young man!

    • Thanks: Sarah
    • Replies: @Decoy
  83. @Savageone

    China certainly still IS a developing country, but can you point, in the video you have linked to, which person in it is a Chinese?

    • LOL: d dan
  84. @Uncle Al

    The total deaths under Stalin in peacetime were 2.5 million, not 20 million. Not including the fake Holodomor though.

    During the Chinese Cultural Revolution of 1966-1976, the deaths were 1 million, not 30 million.

    • Agree: Mulga Mumblebrain
    • Disagree: Robert Dolan, Blackstone
    • Troll: Sarah
    • Replies: @Uncle Al
    , @Godfree Roberts
  85. Adûnâi says: • Website

    Personally, I’m unsure to bet anything on China’s success. They do not strike me as zealots, and zealots always win (provided they have the bare minimum of required resources, unlike Judaea, ISIS and Hitleria). The culture of China is quite weird. They may still respect Mao Zedong, but they do not seem to adhere to his principles (which had brought the nuclear weapon into their arsenal and defeated the Americans everywhere).

    Honestly, economy is 10% of success. Even mass starvation is inconsequential (see the Arduous March in Juche Korea which survived) – conversely, culture is paramount (see the late USSR where nobody starved at all, and yet the country died).

    The Chinese might have averted their own Gorbachev back on Tiananmen, but I am skeptical of races who do not feature hero worship and personality cults, the way Salafi and Songun do.

    (Of course, modern America is such a pathetically weak enemy that one only needs not to kill himself to win.)

    • Agree: commandor
    • Replies: @Lin
  86. Avocados says:

    Hi, Fred. My wife and I are traveling in Mexico. Currently in Guerrero. Patzquaro next week and considering going to Chapala. Could you manage a personal hello?todd

  87. @Escher

    Obviously not, and it’s pronounced “Whigger”.

    ;-}

  88. Uncle Al says: • Website
    @Robert Lindsay

    When I visited UVic/BC, Canada to do some contract research one summer, there was a 5 ft tall Chinese post-doc who was in Mao’s Cultural revolution. She ate grass and dirt to stay alive. The death toll was immense across all China.

    BTW, Chiang Kai Shek was not his real name. It was US-engineered acceptable to Western ears. The original was very Mandarin.

    Socialist histories are political, re BLM “mostly peaceful” demonstrations. You saw the universal smashing looting burning with your own eyes, NOT.

  89. @Anon

    There is a real need to include in label of agree /disagree an item “stupidity”

  90. @houston 1992

    There is always and in everything point of saturation, which US dollar already did pass quite a while ago.

  91. @UNIT472

    Two stage system of entry into space what US did now is a major step forward to carry material on Moon to build permanent research station on there.
    It is a fantastic US achievement.

  92. @The Mestizo

    Kind of a sad story. People should be raised by and amongst their own.

    What do you mean by Pinkerton type?

  93. @Robert Lindsay

    Can you name someone (or a group) who was killed as a result of the Cultural Revolution and provide the circumstances of their death?

    As far as I know, the CR was a bloodless literacy campaign. Do you have other information?

    • LOL: Escher
    • Troll: Sarah
  94. Lin says:
    @Adûnâi

    The culture of China is quite weird. They may still respect Mao Zedong, but they do not seem to adhere to his principles

    It has to do with the fact that among the major civilizations, China is the most secular and irreligious. (let me repeat 2 examples:
    I)Jesus and Confucius had 1 thing in common: both had parentage issue. Christians tell you Jesus was the only Son of God while ancient Chinese historians bluntly told us Confucius was a bastard
    2)Chinese had done something no country had even done since 1919: Condemn the core traditional culture. Lu Xun, a prominent leftist writer, called Confucist morality ‘Cannibalism’. )
    Chinese have strong sense of historical lineage but it doesn’t mean Chinese always take a nostalgia attitude.
    Ron Unz had written an article: https://www.unz.com/runz/how-social-darwinism-made-modern-china-248/
    Darwinism means an entity met some threatening challenges, to survive, it got to fight back and self-improve and during the process it also evolved into something new.
    (1 thing many aren’t aware off: Confucius had the uptopian vision of a welfare society. My anti-communist hi-school history teacher said he could be considered a primitive communist.)

    • Replies: @RJ Macready
    , @Malla
  95. I am confused.

    By Fred repeating for the 8th time how great China is, then China has committed suicide? I poured through Fred’s holy ligature searching for China committing suicide.

    All I found was western visitors being fascistic ally messed with. And no white person defending.

    The First Amendment is there for a reason. Just because the moron Chinese don’t?

    Who cares? You just can’t fix stupid.

    Wake up, mother fucker.

    • Replies: @GomezAdddams
  96. MarkinPNW says:
    @xxxeliss

    Because our STEM jobs went overseas with our STEM industries?

  97. GayDad69 says:

    The “tech war” is not a competition of technological prowess between China and America, but an attempt by the US to strangle China’s tech advance by denying it access to technology. It is a complex dance as America tries to block some technology and China tries to develop a substitute.

    Considering china sells fentanyl to Mexican cartels and launders money for them, denying them access to technology is more than fair.

    Why should we play fair with an economic rival? Are we supposed to the world’s doormat?

    If we are supposed to be the world’s doormat, why?

    Because we’re waaaayyyyyyssssiiiiisssss?

    Any nationalist would do the same thing that the Deep State is doing, just for different reasons. We have no obligation to be fair to anyone.

  98. @Uncle Al

    “Didn’t kill enough “injuns” at Wounded Knee —Gomez—and didn’t kill enough “coons” in Tulsa—and -we are givng this country away to Asians–and Canada sits there staring at us but doing nothing to help—- US !!!” and Colonel Bull Conners is in a most upset mood—-. ( He lost his brother in Vietnam fighting to keep South Chicago free and Portland democratic and for human rights to live on in San Diego——-he voted for Johnson but loved Nixon—-a real American tragedy —of sorts—-)

  99. @restless94110

    Agree—-you indeed are daft and clueless. Suggest you vote in the next election for either Biden or Trump —- The American dream is turning into a riot of stupidity and bankruptcy.

    • Replies: @restless94110
  100. Anon[362] • Disclaimer says:

    As Linh Dinh aptly put in his last blog here, the US has gone ape shit.
    LIterally.
    So yeah China is probably ascending. Its social control and crony socialistic system is admired by the billionaires and tech giants. Why old Charlie Munger said so a few weeks ago.

    Is that what you want to live in? Well not you because you live in Mexico. Where the drug cartels work hard to bring more Central Americans cross the border.

    You and Unz must be happy to see that Biden is letting into the US the equivalent of a small city every month.

    Yeah importing low IQ poverty to vote for whatever dead dogs ass is running for the Democrat party is sure to make the US even less competitive with China even quicker than the usual course its running.

    But whatever… This idiot country is not salvageable anymore. Go ahead immigrants and come..

  101. hoo hoo says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    they did spare a lot of scientist to usa

  102. hoo hoo says:
    @GayDad69

    Why should we play fair with an economic rival

    because, that’s how economy works, and by the way pricing your goods too expensive is not playing fair, why because economy works that way, sell cheaper get more customer, and the excuse is dumping they say, so how long can you dump or subsidies your goods before your going belly-up. remember china don’t have money-printing economy or oils robbing unlike usa

    • Replies: @GayDad69
  103. @Anon

    This is the average educated amerimutt, folks.

  104. @anonymous

    B-b-but monkeys see monkeys do.

    Please, China, Russia, Iran and Based Kim, just nuke the (((west))) already!

    • Agree: littlereddot
  105. Peril lies in forcing a large country full of high-end engineers to compete with you.

    Well, actually Fred, peril lies in the subsidization of 40,000,000 pre-historic savages who must be kept in 21st Century accommodations as well as a parasitic group of 6,000,000+ who are absolutely certain that they are much to smart to do any actual work and must be kept well above 21st Century standards.

    More succinctly: Those who deny reality lose.

    And rightfully so.

    • LOL: Alfred Muscaria
  106. @Godfree Roberts

    As far as I know, the CR was a bloodless literacy campaign.

    This shit should be tattooed on your forehead mr. Dogflea Lolbert.

    You’re a parody of a Maoist and in China you would be silenced for going overboard.

  107. Rufus Arrr says: • Website

    I am an American expat. Lived 40 years in the USA. Over 20 years in China. My specialty is technology. Mostly AI, IoT, electronics and robotics. I always enjoy Fred Reed’s articles. They are well written and thought provoking. But what I really enjoy is watching the discomfort of others in the comment section.

    About thirty years ago, when I was running a technical division in the United States, I brought some of the engineering and supervisory staff over to China to help select a factory that we were going to outsource to. The entire time they were gleefully cocky. You know the drill. “China can’t innovate”. “They copy.” ,”They only make trash.” And all the rest. But when we started touring the factories their smirks all disappeared. China wasn’t what they expected, to put it mildly.

    Today, China is simply amazing. Fred doesn’t do it justice.

    From my point of view, you all can just believe what you want. But until America gets back to making things… physical, tangible items, and paying for them with currency backed by hard tangible gold, and employing STEM trained workers… America will just fall further and further back.

    America is in a world of hurt and pretending that China isn’t deserving for doing things right is a mistake. Like the 12-step program, you must admit that you have a problem and then you go about fixing that problem. It’s really that simple.

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    • Replies: @BluEidDvl
    , @Avery
  108. Anonymous[267] • Disclaimer says:

    The sooner you accept that the US government is a total enemy of serious technology the better off you will be. US technological efforts are militarily oriented and exist only as a necessity for advancing US empire. Otherwise they would be abandoned. The US is an Orwellian state which strongly believes technological backwardness, ignorance and poverty are important tools for maintaining its rule. This has mostly been seen abroad, but is now applied domestically.

  109. @Uncle Al

    “Corc du merde –_Gomez—-the United States of American under the command of God and the blue eyed Jesux——has NO Intention in allowing 36 million Uighurs settle in the United States. Simple reason—-the Uighur has never had it so good —-I was there and all this Western fake news is disinformation at its best —Uighurs are happy and doing well —the terrorist thugs from olden times from XiInjiang —were trained by the United States of America to overthrow Assad in Syria and when that didn’t work—they went to USA and Canada and told sad stories of woe” and the Legionanire of Paris has been to Xinjiang —–and knows his stuff.

    • Replies: @Dystopian
  110. @GayDad69

    Where did you get that fentanyl crap? Epoch Times? The USA is not the ‘world’s door-mat’-it’s the world’s butcher and bully-boy. But, thank God, it’s time is up.

    • Replies: @GayDad69
  111. @UNIT472

    ‘Monkey see, monkey do’. I’d say that you are the only ape here, but that’s probably an insult to apes. China is behind the US in many areas, because they started later. Want a bet how long before they catch up and surpass the White Boss?I’d say ten years, at most.

  112. @Godfree Roberts

    Godfree, the GPCR descended into armed conflict between rival groups in many places, and the PLA had to restore order. It was not, as Mao said, a tea-party.

  113. GMC says:

    Too many Norte Americanos, haven’t been able to except the fact that their country, has been under attack and has suffered a massive Hostile takeover for the past 50 + years. They just couldn’t get past the denial part, much less see the obvious writing on the wall, and the stage is set for either a complete domestic takeover or a complete Domestic takeover – lol.
    The Feds don’t need their tax money , since they can just print as much as they want – under the table, but the tax money serves as part of the slave thing.

    The last thing America needed after Clinton , was Bush and then Obama, Trump and now Biden/Obama again. This NWO/Globalist foreign policy of fuckin over the world won’t stop after the domestic part of the US is toast – they have plenty of money for that. My 2 rubles worth.

  114. ‘…The industry knows this. Washington seems not to. Yet.’

    Washington doesn’t care. Anymore.

  115. Anon[831] • Disclaimer says:
    @American Citizen

    Chinese leaders must really be amazed that we are self destructing at breakneck speed.

    Doubt it. The leaders of China aren’t a gaggle of stupid normies (baizuo). They’ve been educated in the historical rise and fall of civilizations. They certainly see that we’re infested by jews and other hostile minorities and that our political discourse is so far removed from the deep/deadly problems which would need to be removed in order to secure our future that we’re all but hopeless.

    The jews had planned to jump ship to China for a number of decades but that plan was scuttled in the late 90s or early 00s, IIRC, because China is wise to the destructive nature of hostile groups of outsiders and the jews were told to fuck off.

    Just as in so many personal relationships, the external party often has better insight into the problems of a friend/spouse/etc than the individual has into his/her own problems. China can see what is destroying us more clearly than most of our normies. Hence their coining of the term “baizuo”.

    They probably pity us.

    • LOL: Sarah
  116. @Lin

    Are you sure its history and culture and not modern work ethic and technological prowess? I am from India (3rd world hellhole) and went on an assignment way back in 2012 to shanghai and what I observed was an unparalled work ethic and a vision for technological mastery be it in urban planning, space research or nano and biotech. China looks at the future. Most other nations are embroiled in the past. That’s the conclusion I came to.

    Btw…did you also used to post on the Robert lindsay blog?

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Lin
  117. Sarah says:

    On the other hand, the
    America doesn’t have money because it spends it all on aircraft carriers

    and
    – because the USA has 800 military bases abroad
    – because the USA spends trillions of dollars in endless wars for foreign or private interests
    – because the US sends its best citizens to be killed for nothing
    – because the US maintains 22 or 25 biological warfare laboratories in complicit countries
    – because the US spends its time and money preparing for war against the rest of the world instead of living in peace like most countries
    (non limitative list)

  118. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    M.M., why do you miss out the IQ factor? China has 104 mean IQ, America used to be 100 but I guess its plummeting down now due to diversity-enrichment.

    • Replies: @roberto1
  119. @GayDad69

    You must be one of the uneducated stupid brainless followers of the beta loser cuckold Scott Adams. The cuckold who snipped his own balls, cuckolded himself multiple times by marrying multiple single moms and then went bananas when one craptastic step son rage quitted his lousy life. Why are you brainlessly listening to a loser cuckold who has poor emotional control on the topic lol?

    Especially when it is a loser cuckold who has such low self-esteem that he needs to brag about how he just married another middle-aged single mom and became a cuckold again.

    Why don’t you use your brain, think for yourself and blame Mexico or blame the losers who peddle on your streets? Do you blame a cutlery supplier for the dirty cutlery used in a dirty restaurant? How stupid.

    Why don’t you use your brain and read the history of how you get to enjoy modern technology today?

    Where did all the rich people get their money to invest in creating modern technology?

    Better thank their country for giving you the silver that your disgusting ancestors got from bringing opium into their country and selling opium openly. Way worse than what the Mexicans are doing to you today.

    http://americangardening.net/opium-enriched-nineteenth-century-boston-merchant/

    You owe your modern technology to their country and their silver.

    • Replies: @GayDad69
  120. noname says:
    @American Citizen

    I think that the examples given in the pointy areas illustrate perfectly the future Chinese domination. Indeed, it is only a matter of time before China surpasses the United States economically.
    China has about 1.5 billion inhabitants while the United States is struggling to reach 350 million.
    This Chinese domination is based on a social model where there is no protection of human rights (freedom of movement, conscience, work, property…) and no legal system capable of applying these rights. Plagiarism is a right and a form of art for them. The United States has a very developed law system especially on intellectual property. These labor rights and property rights have played their role for a while. Today, China copies, improves and surpasses. We must get rid of intellectual property rights and let the market act. Intellectual property rights have only allowed companies to protect themselves from competition. These companies have flooded the European market with their leisure technology while China is creating ports, power plants … American companies file patents for everything and anything, the latest example, Amazon which deploys a hairdressing salon in England. The people are trapped by this unilateral vision of these companies, they become simple consumers without project, without future. Governments only act in the interest of these companies. The filing of patents by these companies has created an unlimited rent and has only served to increase the price of their shares.
    The Chinese giants were in their time financed by Americans, money from their rents.

    The Chinese have a planning office, with different poles, the strategy is an example. You don’t have to be a communist to find this self-evident. Planning allows us to have a common and superior objective that transcends the freedom to undertake, it is to create a direction, a path towards a better future.

    Many blame race, and this is partly true. On this subject, there are subdivisions in the white race, the Anglo-Saxon race which is at the top and the Slavic race which is at the bottom. Many of those who comment make the mistake of attributing to other races their defects. Europeans are about 500 million people. Take away the 100 million foreigners and you have 400 million left (100 million Anglo-Saxons). In the United States you take away the 43 million blacks, the 20 million Asians and the 70 million Hispanics, you must have about 150-160 million whites left (how many Anglo-Saxon races?) you take away the old people… you’re left with a base of 100 million in the U.S. and in Europe you’re left with about 100 million (Anglo-Saxons). If you look at the structure of big business, of inventions, you don’t find them in numbers. Can these 200 million people compete, yes, if they stop crying, start working and decide tout give it a try. A lot of people fall for the easy way out.

    • Replies: @Malla
  121. “Whose fault is all of this? Why…China’s. Who could doubt it?”

    The dumb White who allowed the Jew to take charge of his own society and who in turn decided that the negro was more important followed by the savage indio.

  122. @Godfree Roberts

    “The US inherited German and British jet engine technology in 1946 and has been developing fighter engines every since.”

    Nonetheless, it was all White technology. Here we are discussing the yellow tech. How much of it is its own besides the gunpowder and paper? Copycats aren’t the same thing!

  123. Sarah says:
    @Uncle Al

    Cultural Revolution

    the exact phrase would be Cultural DESTRUCTION.

    For the USSR, estimates vary between 30 and 40 million deaths; the most commonly accepted number by serious historians is 35 million deaths, including between 7 and 11 million deaths in Ukraine alone (Holodomor).

    For Mao’s China, at least 25 million people died. For some historians it is 65 million but we will probably never know the exact number.

    Mao was an intelligent man but surrounded by Bolshevik advisors from the USSR and indoctrinated by them to exterminate the best elements of his own people.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  124. Smith says:
    @Deep Thought

    Vietnam has existed thousands year next to China without losing their identity and resist their assimilation times and times again.

    Even when the chinese switch language, viets still stick to their language.

    Perhaps that should answer your question.

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
    , @vox4non
  125. neutral says:

    Why can the Chinese do all of these things at once?

    Because they are not overrun by blacks and other inferior races. Things are so much easier if you don’t have to divert huge amounts of time and money to maintain order in the land, they are even easier if you don’t have to enforce the false ideologies of racial equality.

    • Agree: Bernie
  126. @Smith

    Take another careful look at the question I asked. You are evading my question.

    Of course, you don’t have to answer it– no one can force you to!

    Vietnam has existed thousands year next to China without losing their identity and resist their assimilation times and times again.

    Then good for our viet neighbours.

    Even when the chinese switch language,

    From Chinese to Chinese?

    viets still stick to their language.

    I know nothing about the Viet language– Never know that they always wrote/write in what look like European alphabets.

    • Replies: @Smith
  127. Malla says:
    @RJ Macready

    This Lin dude is a Chinese guy who is very informative about India. He understands India remarkably well. At first I thought he was Indian like us. I could not believe he is an outsider. The dude, Jeff Stryker knows a a lot about India too but he actually lived in India for a long time.

  128. Tom Welsh says:

    “Peril lies in forcing a large country full of high-end engineers to compete with you”.

    Very few people have Fred’s ability to sum up a whole complex subject in a single short sentence.

    • Replies: @Euripidoze
  129. Malla says:
    @noname

    the Slavic race which is at the bottom.

    Really? I doubt that Slavs are at the bottom of the White race. Indeed I think this is bullshit.
    Though I agree about Anglos being pretty highly capable race. But the Victorian era Anglos/Brits were smarter, probably the most gifted population in history.

  130. Malla says:
    @Lin

    Yo Lin, since you already understand India so well, check out these books. You w ill really understand Indian psychology etc…if you read these. Very interesting, check these out.
    https://archive.org/download/cu31924023968609/cu31924023968609.pdf
    https://archive.org/download/dli.granth.111135/111135.pdf
    https://archive.org/download/in.ernet.dli.2015.206395/2015.206395.India-Unrest.pdf
    http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks03/0300811h.html
    https://archive.org/download/indiannationalit031308mbp/indiannationalit031308mbp.pdf

    These are the books, the CCP members/ Chinese Govt officials of the India division (if something like that exists) should be reading. Only then they would understand what exactly they are dealing with, the mentality.

    • Replies: @Lin
  131. A.K.Patal says:

    The biggest factor behind China’s ascendency is having an able leadership. The biggest factor behind America’s decline is being cursed with an awful leadership. Chinese leaders make their decisions to do what is good for their people and their country, whereas American leaders make their decisions to ensure their re-election. Keeping those points in mind, America’s decline is precipitated by several critical factors:

    a—Trillions of dollars are wasted on military and on useless, destructive wars.

    b—The manufacturing base of the United States is being dismantled and outsourced.

    c—Big corporations and the wealthy millionaires and billionaires evade taxes and fleece the country because there is no leadership to hold them accountable because the leadership is in the pockets of industry lobbyists.

    e—The infrastructure is dilapidated because there is no money to fix it. And the leaders are unable to find money for the infrastructure, but have no problem finding trillions of dollars for the useless wars.

    f—America is the only developed country where prices of the prescription drugs are not regulated, and hence are so expensive, which forces seniors and retirees to drive hundreds if not thousands of miles to buy the prescription they need in Canada.

    g—The education system in the US is failing because there is no leadership to fix it.

    h—If the country is attacked by outside forces there is no consequences to it:

    1—Sept. 11, was staged and the Congress came with the incredible story of 19 Saudi and other Arabs, some of them are known to have died years earlier were behind it. This is a leadership issue.

    2—John Kennedy was assassinated and the Congress claimed Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone actor, even though Oswald was shot dead in front of the whole world, and his killer was eliminated while in prison. This is also a leadership issue.

    3—USS Liberty was attacked and nearly sunk, with 34 killed and 171 wounded, and no one was held responsible. This is also a leadership issue.

    Now, 99.9% of those who either abdicated their responsibilities or made bad decisions that led to the country’s decline are WHITE leadership. However, every time that America’s decline is brought up, Fred and white nationalists here would cry that America cannot compete with China because it has blacks and minorities!! How can the country recover or compete when even those who see the problems are bent on self-deception?!

    • Replies: @Sin City Milla
  132. Jiminy says:

    But now we all know the truth about China’s technological rise. The cat is out of the bag. Today a handful of western alliance nations came out and said how China has been hacking and stealing information. Funny, for only last week it was Russia. This week it’s China. No mention of Israel though. But there was the jewish hacker for hire in trouble last week. Now Russia is to blame for the solarwind hack job earlier in the year as well. I wonder if the western alliance nations are involved in reciprocal hacking?

  133. @Dumbo

    Don’t worry, the UK sent a big warship to Japan. They are joining hands to preserve the freedom of the Pacific Ocean and the Indian Ocean. You know how those oceans sometimes get tied up.

  134. @Anonymous

    The Clintons worked wonders! It’s hard to believe they were capable of such achievements!

  135. JM says:
    @follyofwar

    It can be argued that the USA also has a form of Fascism – where the state underwrites the power of the Banks and Big Business…BUT with the difference that in the USA (and the rest of the West), it is big business that controls the state, vs in Germany and China where, though this same protection occurs, the state is in charge. This is the position taken by the authors of this:

  136. Decoy says:
    @GuestAug

    My first thought after viewing was: Where are the obese people? The difference between a street walk in China and a typical American city is startling.

    • Replies: @Learner
  137. Thim says:

    Fred says China was the poorest nation in the world in 1976. Dumbest statement I have ever read on Unz, bar none.

    I was blessed to have seen China briefly in 1978, as an illegal tourist. I did see Chengdu before I was arrested and deported. I remember Chengdu in 1978 as being the most beautiful place on earth, certainly the most beautiful city on earth.

    Chengdu today is a glass and steel horror, an abomination, like all current Chinese cities

    The Chinese in the 1970’s were rich. Most had some land. The title might have been wacky, but they had the land, and they had children. The grandparents were there, too. They were rich.

    Today’s Chinese are poor. They have no land, and most cannot afford to have children, or possibly one, but marriage is increasingly only a fantasy, because they are too poor to get married

    Capitalism multiplies technology, yawn, Fred, that is known. At the expense of the people, especially the family, without which people are poor by all standards except Jewish standards, meaning Capitalist metrics.

  138. Bob says:

    In general, discourse in the US is very limited and driven by ideology, so it’s nearly impossible to have a good understanding of problems.

    What is never brought up is that the highest paid jobs in America are finance and the big tech companies like Facebook, Apple, Netflix, Microsoft, Google, Amazon. The financial giants and these tech companies are monopolies that generally don’t compete with each other, and all make profits at the expense to society. Except maybe Microsoft and Apple, they’ve all contributed significantly to the decline of America.

    Take Amazon… they don’t produce so much, but they sell Chinese produced goods. They’re basically a distributor of Chinese factories. But Amazon’s greatest contributor to the destruction of America has been to take away the income potential of local markets and retail. In so doing, they’ve eliminated millions of retail jobs, and all the supporting jobs. It’s not just the workers at local stores that lost those jobs, but also the managers, accountants, advertisers, etc. all replaced by delivery drivers and a centralized headquarters in Washington.

    A few years ago, I was part of a programming group. A young guy joined and within a few months he graduated. Instead of going to grad school to learn new stuff and do research, he took a job at Amazon, with a sign on bonus big enough for a down payment on a house. We all figured he’d end up doing some basic repetitive programming work, but he was gonna do it for big money. I’m pretty sure that his potential do do great things got destroyed by Amazon, and am guessing that he’s working on some algorithm to increase Amazon profits by reducing pricing by a few cents here or there.

  139. 1. China is making its own tunneling machine to replace or supplement the ones they always bought from Germany, the only source.

    2. The US would have to become a different and better society to do any sort of “catch up” in technology. We have screwed ourselves with two whammies. First, the entire educational system is screwed up from A to Z. Grade inflation, fear of math, fear of excellence and a refusal to prioritize excellence, incompetent and vile administrators, classism and racism galore. The second whammy is that all companies are run by businessmen and a few businesswomen, not by scientists and engineers. It’s “suits” versus “techies”, and the “suits always” win. Always. Only a fool fails to notice this, so it’s mostly fools who end up as “techies.”

    3. Reed asks some basic questions about semiconductor technology and China’s access to it. I haven’t worked in the field for almost ten years, but this is still approximately correct. All the RF semiconductors, GaN, and upcoming technologies such as graphene FETs, are pretty much as available to China as to the US. The real bottleneck is with the ultra-small features at 14nm and smaller. Nothing is trivial down there, a thousand major patents have much of it locked up, even one bleeding edge chip foundry costs many billions of dollars and takes at least 3 to 5 years to get up and running. The good news is that a lot can be done with older technology at, say, the 20nm feature range. It’s only in the latest computer and graphics chips where small features become vital.

    4. Reed raised the larger issue in the title, and then fails to address the obvious question, the suicide not of China, but of America. Why are we allowing this suicide to happen, and what will it take to stop it ? What is stopping us from fixing our own country, the only one we will ever have ? Of course our overlords are the Tribe, the Deep State, and the 9 cartels as enumerated by Catherine Austin Fitts, but: (1) those power centers should not be suicidal but perhaps they recognize their own evil and want it to end, and (2) We are 315 million people who could take back our own future when and if we thought it mattered. But I see very little effort to put together the power of the American people. No discussion of what political, cultural, national and/or religious organizations that might be important.

  140. @JM

    ‘It can be argued that the USA also has a form of Fascism’

    only if you haven’t the faintest clue what Fascism is, or about political history/theory in general, and so end up easily tripped up by words (‘Fascism is rule by corporations, like McDonalds and Disney!’)

  141. Hacienda says:
    @Buck Ransom

    I drove thru L.A. and the homeless situation is bad. But, I blame the effete (white) side of the Hispanic elite that now dominates and paralyzes local politics in California. Indios, Asians know better. The Jews aren’t leading, they are surfing. Anglos are simply too vain to do anything.

    • Replies: @fnn
  142. Truth says:
    @Cho Seung-Hui

    From what I can gather, full “acceptance’ by the family isn’t really there.

    This is a surprise?

  143. Rdm says:
    @Franz

    But then, those parodies and buckteeth mockery of Asians have been a wonderful self-fellatio every weekends at Tiffany’s, aren’t they? If the bonus was included, smashing them in their face, coming out as a hero sleeping with their women at disposal was indeed American dreams.

    How sweet and blessing has been those years calling those Asians as chinks in our fluid tongue, oh mother lord, give us our time back, we will cherish our moment to the fullest.

    Those copycat Asians, steal our technology, make it cheap scraps dump into our land, how sneaky little bastards stealing our inventions.

    ————-

    – “No, it’s different. Since they accept our trash, we ship to them.”

    – “No, no, no … it’s bullshit. We didn’t steal from British. In fact, we are Whites people in the end.”

    – “Queen? To hell with that. We have freed ourselves from the tyranny of monarch.”

    – “Yes, our forefather built this country. We made our own history. We have never imposed cruelty to others.”

    – “Palestine? Is that sweet, sour chicken meal available at Apple’s Bee? Cuba, never heard of it, where was it? Vietnam, is it somewhere in those backward Asia? Napalm bombing? Is that bombing we taught those Japs in WWII ? Grenada invasion? was that Russian invading in Black Sea? ”

    – “Yes, you’re right. I’m a proud American. My blood is red and blue.”

    – “Oh.. yes, I was born here.”

    – “My parents? My father is Swedish and my mom is Austrian.”

    – “Well, … at least they came here and build this country since 1980s.”

    – “Thanks, I don’t need a mirror.”

    • Replies: @Franz
  144. Learner says:
    @Decoy

    The Chinese middle class parents do have problems with obese kids. I once saw a documentary on the Chinese CGTN about this problem. But well-to-do parents send their obese children to a four weeks cure in special facilities. It costs about 5000\$. They are modern buildings with special doctors, physiotherapists and teachers. The kids have to hand over their smartphones, can make telephone calls only once a week to their parents. They get a healthy diet and the daily workout is pretty tough They have to get up very early and have little time for recreation. There are medical examinations and the kids’ progress is evaluated by points. Some kids, boys and girls alike, are whimpering and even crying but there is no mercy. Most kids lose The foundations for economic growth and falling unemployment were laid by the previous government under Chancellor Schröder, and Merkel has only reaped the fruits. lot of weight and are really fit again. Some just don’t make it and have to leave the program. Some are regular customers. And, mind you,it’s during school holidays.

  145. Rdm says:
    @UNIT472

    I wonder if the picture of Apollo stooges in ziploc bags still up there on the surface of the Moon?

    China recently landed their Mars rover, Zhurong and they’ve been slowly releasing the images taken by the rover and the lander. See for yourself. This is 7500N thrust of the lander and made a huge blast underneath the lander.

    LEM has 45 kN thrust.

    45,000 N vs 7,500N

    6 times stronger the thrust force and we saw nothing of the blast in moon landing. One might argue, maybe the composition of the Lunar surface and Mars’ would be different.

    As time passes, it’s getting more and more obvious that every piece of 1969 Moon Landing will be revealed. Buckle up and tame your arrogance from 60s.

    [MORE]

    And this is Apollo11 without a blast with 45K N thrust landing.

    • Replies: @Johnny Johnny
  146. Learner says:

    Good article 👍.

  147. tamo says:
    @A Half Naked Fakir

    You are very wrong. Europe directly or indirectly copied a lot of technologies from China before the Industrial Revolution. For example, Europe got from China not only gunpowder but also cannon, gun, bomb, rocket, both land and sea mine technologies. Also China invented compass, movable type, blast furnace, cast iron, coking-coal, so-called Bessemer steel process, Siemen’s steel process, deep-drilling technologies for oil and natural gas ( China used piped-in natural gas for heating and lighting in the 4th century BC on the other hand Europe didn’t use natural gas until the late 19th century),etc many centuries before Europe knew anything about them. All these Chinese inventions had earth-shaking influence in Europe before the Industrial Revolution.

    • Replies: @CelestiaQuesta
  148. Truth says:

    Don’t worry about it, Frijole Fred.

    Just harken back to your prime years and be happy!

  149. @GomezAdddams

    So I said I was confused and you started calling names. That is truly daft and clueless.

    Why are you suggesting I vote in the next election for two complete opposites neither of which will be running in the next election? What does me voting have to do with anything in my comment or Fred’s column, you daft twit?

    So in your world a dream turns into a riot? A riot of bankruptcy? How does a bankruptcy riot? What would be a riot of stupidity? You mean Antifa and BLM “mostly peaceful” demonstrations?

    Do you mean all your comments? They are a riot of stupidity but mostly a riot of boredom.

  150. @Inselaffen

    Correction fascism isn’t rule by corporations.The quote attributed to Mussolini can’t be sourced. But trolls most likely kosher keep on using it. Of course, you would have to be an idiot to think fascism imported illegal aliens into Rome or outsourced Italian industry let alone let bolsheviks like antifa run wild in their streets. So lets all of us stop using fascism in place of correct political thinking.Boy do we need the brownshirts.

  151. There’s nothing worse than putting incompetent people in charge of running things, because the end result is what’s now taking place within the US and western allies after fifty years of self serving politicians getting rich off pay to play economics and selling out its factories and working class to foreign sweat shops.
    Now those sweat shops have been updated and transformed into clean well managed enterprises competing against other Chinese entities, While the (((rich))) get richer and the west dissolves in its own self made excrement.
    The west is now a haven for racketeering in everything corrupt and in every segment of society, as shoplifting and transgenders exposing themselves in public to children is legal in the US.
    The US collapse is deteriorating faster than a speeding poleez car chasing aspiring rappers in the hood, and thanks to the illegitimate Biden Regime, it’s all the fault of white Supremacists, the new twenty first century domestic terrorists.

    Niqqaz may own gangsta rap, but whites now have domestic terrorists rebel rousing MAGA Rock.

    Cue: Richard Wagner’s – The Ride of the Valkyries

  152. The children in America (note I didn’t say American children) are taught to be disrespectful. Disney films continually show children outsmarting adults. Disney = Government Propaganda.

  153. Asians R dummies. They don’t have outliers or innovators, just \$cammers. That’s not 2 imply America doesn’t have lots of (((\$cammers))) 2, but it’s jooz hoo R holding things bak with their pet blackies & bean goblins & other ‘migrant’ \$ewage. This article is a list of (((“K!LLW!TEY!”))) ramblings disguised as warning ‘against’ threats, but it’s thinly disguised BRAGGING where the author seems 2 B HOPING America is DESTROYED! Always scroll 2 the last line(s) 1’st. This 1 sez et all ~

    [MORE]
    >
    “Peril lies in forcing a large country full of high-end engineers to compete with you.”
    Translation = ‘Just give up, goy, & let the Asians roll over U’ =)) No problem! They can make our inventions cheaper! =D I’ll happily continue buying ‘chinese junk’ so long as it works. We WHITES with BRAINS will keep coming up with newer better ideas that they will then ’emulate’. They R not ‘creative’. They R more like ‘machines’. I think they should really focus on making sites like Netflix but with all Asian content, with subtitles. Because (((Big Tek))) & (((HollyWeird))) R run by yidz, their movies almost always suk, especially the so-called ‘originals’ on that site, meanwhile even ‘random throway’ shows even with (supposedly) gay themes, like ‘Word Of Honor’ R like a fancy movie in every episode! =D They have a uniquely interesting poetic structure to their language that comes through in the translations 2, & the cruelty is refreshing =) Just don’t fill your movies with brownies & other trash, like that awful ‘space sweepers’ flik, or WASTE our time with ‘kid story’ nonsense. We don’t care! Show us ACTION and edgy scenery & SLEEK looking people, thanx =)

  154. @tamo

    And let’s not forget the Chinese Happy Ending technique now standard practice in every massage house around the world.

    • Replies: @tamo
  155. America is not committing suicide. It’s getting murdered by feminism and Cultural Marxism. As always Fred fails to identify the source of such pathologies.

  156. Anyone else here surprised when they saw the recent National Rifle Association’s “First Freedom” magazine issue with results of their youth art contest…and every winner had a Chinese name?

    The Chinese are to education and grit what the Mormons are to religion…highly organized, effective, and serious. America is to China like any mainstream Protestant church is to the LDS church.

    How’s that for an analogy?

  157. Goddard says:
    @BluEidDvl

    We, our children & our civilization will pay dearly for forgetting that fundamental fact.

    When an exhausted and spiritually bankrupt Rome disintegrated into the Dark Ages, White-Western man was vulnerable, but protected by Saharan sands and the vast steppes of Asia; still, Islam nearly extinguished the West. A thousand years after Rome, the same basic peoples were able to re-establish White-Western civilizational glory with the Renaissance, Age of Exploration, and Enlightenment. White-Western man is again in a slump. As in decadent Rome, institutions are losing credibility, spiritual edifices are crumbling, fertility is declining, foreigners are infiltrating. Perhaps the cycle is inevitable; maybe civilizations must needs rise, expand, decline, and disintegrate. This time, however, the threat is not just to civilization but to the very race itself. Western countries could be walling up their borders and waiting out the slump. Instead, Western nations are denying themselves a future by promoting demographic replacement by newcomers far more different from the original peoples than were the Germans from the Italians or even the Saracens from the Byzantines. The newcomers not only are vastly different but also drawn from populations with little to offer civilizationally. Just as White-Western Man got back on his feet in the Renaissance, so too does White-Western man deserve another shot at a Comeback; White-Western man deserves to emerge from the illnesses of Communism and Materialism into a glorious new stage in his development. Instead of Revitalization, Western man faces centuries, maybe even millennia, of mediocrity. His is choosing to amalgamate himself with the dregs of the world. Instead of being the Shining City on a Hill, White-Western Man is selling his birthright for a mess of multicultural pottage. He is consigning his descendants to life in a Flophouse for the World.

    • Agree: BluEidDvl
    • Replies: @CelestiaQuesta
    , @Malla
  158. Joe Wong says:
    @Jim Christian

    No, you and all Americans need not to care, please focus your energy on the bible.

  159. Mevashir says:
    @ruralguy

    The universities are arguably the biggest traitors in America, as they sell off our knowledge to the highest foreign bidder. Many of these universities are run by Jews who only see the bottom line.

    I recall reading that some of the military elites in WWII Japan had been educated in the USA, including at prestigious places like MIT.

    Our universities enable the nations of the world to compete with us and bury us.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  160. A123 says:

    China to Build World’s First Modular Mini-Reactor
    “Linglong One is a pressurized water reactor with a capacity of 125 MW – the first small commercial onshore modular reactor or SMR to be constructed in the world. After being launched, the SMR will be able to generate enough power to meet the energy demands of approximately 526,000 households annually.”

    Apparently the author has confused “First” and “Not First”

    In 2020 the U.S. (plus South Korea?) has already locked in guaranteed funding to be “First”: (1)

    The \$1.355 billion award, allocated over 10 years, will fund the one-time costs for the first-of-a-kind project, as funds are appropriated by Congress, to reflect what second and subsequent NuScale plants would cost. This will help ensure that the levelized cost of energy target price of \$55 MWh can be achieved at a level of risk UAMPS can manage.

    That price makes the CFPP competitive with other non- intermittent dispatchable energy sources like combined cycle natural gas plants, but without greenhouse gas emissions. It will ensure long-term affordable energy to UAMPS member participants while avoiding exposure to greenhouse regulation and compliance costs.

    The 12 small modular reactors in the project will provide the flexibility to ramp up and down as needed to follow load and complement intermittent renewable supply. The plan calls for construction of the 60 MW design which has not yet been approved by the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC). Earlier this year the 50 MW design completed its safety design review with the regulatory agency.

    The original NuScale plan was inclusion of the U.S. submarine nuclear reactor vessel manufacturer (related to BWX). The fall back plan was co-developing with South Korea’s primary nuclear vendor Doosan Heavy Industries and Construction [DHIC]. It looks like that alternative has been activated and UAMPS Idaho will include DHIC.

    This would leave China as (at best) #3. India is not so open with their development time tables, but it is clear that they are well down the road towards a LFTR based SMR. China could easily slip to #4 or lower.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://neutronbytes.com/2020/10/16/doe-awards-uamps-1-355-billion-for-nuscale-smr-in-idaho/

     

  161. @Rdm

    Agreed man! I almost started to laugh when I saw how impressive it is China landed an unmanned rover, then brought it back. Didn’t we supposedly do that 50 years ago, multiple times, with humans? And anyone who says it was too hard to do back then obviously can’t be right. So which is it?

    I read China’s Chang-e orbiter or lander or whatever took very good resolution pix of the moon, so we might actually see the flag, buggy, and golf clubs we left behind (instead of the black blobs touted as “there’s the flag” by our own imagery) but the pix have not yet been released?

    • Replies: @Rdm
  162. @Jokem

    China is not a communist country. It is an autocratic state led by psychopaths in a manner not too different from that of most other countries. Like Rinos, it is all in name only.

    • Troll: Godfree Roberts
  163. Mike321 says:

    Re: “…dark side of the moon…” The FAR side of the moon gets just as much sunlight as the near side.

    • Replies: @Anon
  164. tamo says:
    @CelestiaQuesta

    Fantastic, three cheers for the Chinese !!!

  165. Rdm says:
    @Savageone

    If that’s the case, why the top med school JHU published this? and it’s been in world economic forum (WEF)?

    Why couldn’t the paper tiger defend itself from the virus? It’s all on paper.

    —————————————–

    “International” community strongly oppose China stance on genocide. How many countries? All the string of G7.
    “International” community accuse China of hacking. How many? Again G7
    “International” community strongly condemn China stance in South China Sea. How many? Again G7

    When in reality, the international community is made up of 193 countries around the world.

    184 voted “Yes” in UN to lift embargo on Cuba.
    2 voted “No” in UN (US and Israel)
    3 abstained (Colombia, Brazil and Ukraine)

    In future, I predict that Americans will live in an alternate world where everything they see, read and believe will be completely opposite of the reality and the entire world.

    And if you’re still proud of being American, you’re not proud of being American, you’re just a stooge supporting authoritarian regime at the DC with their illegal pumping and dumping stocks while skinning ordinary Americans alive in broad daylight.

    • Agree: Godfree Roberts, Sarah
    • Replies: @Robjil
    , @Sarah
  166. BorisMay says:

    South Africa is experiencing today what the US will experience in about 10 to 20 years. Education based on Critical Race Theory produces absolute chaos as seen today in South Africa. This will be the USA in a few year’s time.
    And in China, they have an education system which is based upon a thousand or more year’s experience that does not include Critical Race Theory or any other stupid criteria.
    Essentially the USA is run by imbeciles and China is run by an intellectual elite.
    This is the primary difference.

  167. @Goddard

    I see whites as the Taliban in just a few short years. If whites play their cards right, we have the potential to kick the living daylights out of any threat imposed by the illegitimate Biden Regime and his CRT – Communist Race Thugs.
    Use land routes and analog devices they may take longer, but they’re safer than having technopolies and alphabets watchful eyes with all things digital.
    Once you take down the code, you take it all down.

  168. Dystopian says:
    @GomezAdddams

    Even the great bastion of left wing “truth” Wikipedia admits that Uighurs are the victims of genocide in China. Maybe you are like Roosevelt’s VP Henry Wallace who traveled to Kolyma Russia during the Red Terrors and didn’t even know he was visiting a prison camp where an estimated 250,000 to 1,000,000 people lost their lives.

  169. Rdm says:
    @Johnny Johnny

    Yutu rover landed on the far side of the moon. So it could not have captured all the Apollo landings if they all were real.

    The space achievement of China if we dig into further rather than superfluous retort like “copy cat”.

    1. China Chang’e 2, 3, 4 missions (CE lunar missions): sending the rover to the far side of the moon. It’s a bold move because no nation has ever sent the rover to the far side of the moon. You can send the communication signal between the Earth and the near side of the moon without requiring any relay station. But to communicate with a device that landed on the far side of the moon whereas the Moon itself serves as a signal barrier beyond the point of its location. In that instance, China needs another station for Yutu rover landing. A relay station was required to send the signal from Earth to the far side of the moon. CE2 mission sent the relay station at L2 point (Lagrange point) and CE3 and CE4 includes the rovers known as Yutu-1 and Yutu-2.

    2. China Mars mission: It’s a gutsy move claimed by one of the NASA scientists because no nation has ever sent the orbiter and rover at once and succeeded. The success rate for Mars exploration is also somewhere at 40%. The success rate is based on either a flyby or orbiter maneuver, let alone the touchdown on the surface of Mars. If we combine orbiter and rover, the success rate would go down drastically based on the rule of probability. China Tianwen-1 orbiter spent almost 2 months collecting the surface geography from February 2021. The Zurong rover descended on May 17. The tianwen-1 will continue orbiting Mars for at least 2 years.

    3. Tiangong. The Chinese Space Station (CSS).

    I will write when I have more time.

    • Replies: @Johnny Johnny
    , @UNIT472
  170. Muggles says:
    @Jokem

    Red China is not Doctrinaire in its approach to Communism. They recognize the free market is the best engine to producing wealth there is, but it is only a matter of policy, not law, and can be dispensed with at the stroke of a pen. We here in the USA have forgotten that.

    It is unclear what you mean by “We here in the USA have forgotten that.” What?

    The company that tried to build the XL Pipeline hasn’t forgotten that, have they? Who with any sense has “forgotten” that the State can put it’s heavy thumb on the scales?

    All of this happy talk Fred here writes about China may be somewhat true, but how much? Fred & Co. seem to swallow the Chinese claims of advancement without any skepticism. Unlike his views on his former homeland, the USA. So skeptical here; so trusting and naive there.

    News and info in China is totally (almost) controlled by the CCP. Would Fred believe everything the CDC says about COVID-19? Or anything else the US govt. announces? Does he swallow the Biden BS so easily?

    The “suicide” in China is not the USA’s failures, though there are enough of those. The suicide is Xi Jinping’s latest move towards Maoism and wrecking the Chinese economy. Jack Ma is a virtual prisoner, as are the executives running Didi, Allpay and other huge Chinese financial/info firms which up until a couple of months ago, were attracting billions in foreign capital for expansion via world stock markets (and Chinese). That’s now been stopped cold.

    Hong Kong is a ghost of its former self in recent months. Investors in China based multinationals are now waiting for more “shoes to drop.” China is now dumping raw materials stockpiles on the local markets to “halt inflation.” Yeah, that always works, for a month or two.

    Xi’s turn to the old USSR style Command Economy is a near term death Nell for their economy.

    Fred needs to temper his frank insights about the USA (and Mexico, whose problems never grace his keyboard here) with realism about Communist China. One Party Rule in China works the same there as it does in San Francisco or NYC. Even harsher there.

    Stalin is alleged to have said (probably didn’t) “shoot 1,000 and millions will tremble.” Xi knows this and the ascendant Chinese economy is now in danger. Anyone seen Jack Ma lately?

    Not “suicide” as Fred writes about the USA, but murder, in China. As the booming Chinese capitalist sector expands internationally it innovates with information and financial systems. This “threatens” the CCP’s long monopoly on power. Or so they think.

    Xi is now strangling the markets in China, to cling to a Stalinist mode of one party rule. Fred needs to think for himself instead of recycling the vast outpourings of CCP agitprop fantasy.

    • Troll: Mulga Mumblebrain
  171. anon[308] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s all a matter of incentives. I’m afraid our incentives are really screwed up, thanks to the following combination of factors:

    1. Elite college worshiping: Our best and brightest are made to think it’s elite college or bust. Once they get in, except for a handful of true eggheads, the rest find it hard to keep up in STEM, so they end up in soft majors. Meanwhile, the true eggheads are probably upper middle class white/Asian males who didn’t get a penny in scholarship, so they have to go for lucrative majors like CS/Finance to help pay off the \$300k in total undergrad cost, and forget that PhD in physics, they can’t afford it. No such problem in China as college is free or nearly free.

    2. Money worshiping: The most lucrative fields in the US these days are in finance, law and CS. Engineering has fallen by the way side. Physics/math majors from Stanford/MIT end up being quants on Wall Street because they can’t find jobs in physics. Meanwhile in China, Huawei alone employs 1,800 physicists. In the US, physics majors either starve as post-docs making \$50k a year until they get sick of being poor and learn to code, or they go on Wall Street to become quants. No such problem in China as their financial sector is much less developed and still largely seen as for the less intelligent. Their smartest kids still aim for STEM including not just CS but engineering and physics.

    3. Celebrity worshiping: our youth worship sports stars, rap/pop singers, movie stars, reality stars, YouTube stars, TikTok stars, videogame stars, or they secretly worship the billionaires even if publicly hating on them. Nerdy pursuits like studying to become an engineer or starving physicist is not popular among youth. In China, celebrities are not worshiped and the government does not work of the billionaires, they actually go after them for graft and predatory business practices.

    Ultimately the only countries that can truly succeed are ones with ethnic homogeneity which fosters social cohesion and national pride/unity. Multicultural countries may be “vibrant” but eventually evolves into dog-eat-dog, every man for himself ungovernable basket cases.

    • Agree: Zarathustra
    • Thanks: Sarah
  172. Joe Wong says:
    @SafeNow

    The Chinese labs are very advanced and full of automation to cut costs and speed up for commercialization in order to survive the ferocious market competition. In addition, Chinese has bigger base, there are simply more advanced labs and people to perform modern innovations that the American simply can not match, unless you believe “only the white can invent and only the white succeed” fantasy.

    Nowadays, most of the low hanging fruit scientific discoveries are already picked, modern discoveries and innovations are achieved through tedious hard work supported by big funds, by nature it is a numerical game. Smaller nations like the US are inherent disadvantageous in this innovation game.

    Among the vast innovations only a very small tiny portion of innovations will have the chance to see light of turning into products. Even if you believe only the white can invent, but their inventions will most likely be stuck on shelves covered by dust in the end. If the same percentage of innovations will be turned into products, Chinese will have more new innovative products than the American appeared in the market, this advantage will have cumulative effect which will render the USA falling further into the world of “backwards”.

    Scientists has to published their findings in order to get ahead in their careers, as a proverb in engineering said “show me your product, I always can make it better,” so it is nearly impossible to keep any breakthrough secret and for long. Once the hint or the idea of a breakthrough is out, better ideas will soon mushroom.

  173. Malla says:
    @Goddard

    Actually you got it wrong, not blaming you because there is a lot of common misconception, mostly from Enlightenment days propaganda. White Western common man benefited a lot when Rome fell because the late Roman Empire (unlike the earlier) was a crappy command economy. Western civilization already equaled other major Eurasian civilizations back in the 12th century (thanks to improvement in farming techniques making Northern Europe more productive) and from that time it kept on rising. Even before colonialism, the West was already ahead in many things including military capabilities compared to most civilizations.

    • Replies: @Goddard
    , @tamo
  174. @Rdm

    Thanks for the reply, always good to learn more…but was there a Change 5, I thought one went round and round the moon taking great pix supposedly…and why the other landers to the far side of the moon…where is the relay station, I didn’t understand?

    I think the NASA scientist is papering over their own incompetence….I don’t see what’s so gutsy about sending a rover and orbiter together….I guess he forgot we purportedly did it 1969-72 …we landed MEN AND a buggy (essentially rover for the time) to not only do some rock collecting science work up there, but shoot some golf why not, while the control module orbited the moon (essentially the orbiter) at 3,000 mph, and then the men blasted off and they seamlessly linked back up with the orbiter and flew back to earth…5 times in 3 years no less!…with grade school arithmetic calculator technology…what’s the big deal? What’s the difference with going to Mars other than another 9 months of nothing but as the crow-flying through a vacuum….not a bunch more van Allen belts are there?…unless, unless…

    • Replies: @Rdm
  175. Don’t worry, Fred. Uncle Scam will find a way to kill us all, Chinese included. Thats what cornered rats do and its been the playbook for generations.

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @Getaclue
  176. Goddard says:
    @Malla

    I was approximating to get across the basic idea, which is that in earlier eras when a White civilization died, the civilization died, but what faces whites now is extinction as a result of the current civilizational decline. (Whites may not disappear entirely but will cease to be in control of their own destiny to the extent that they once were.) Certainly the Dark Ages were not entirely dark, the Late Middle Ages were a period of revival, and throughout the Dark Ages, at least one outpost of White civilization (the Eastern Roman = Byzantine Empire) was a shining star.

    • Agree: Malla
    • Replies: @RJ Macready
  177. anon[703] • Disclaimer says:

    I may be in the minority here but I think America losing the technological edge is actually a good thing. Look where technology is taking us? We are each day losing more and more of our freedom thanks to Big tech. Google, FB, Twitter, Microsoft, Amazon, Apple, Palantir et al. know pretty much everything there is to know about each of us. Google and Microsoft are also going after our healthcare data — they want it all. The American Conservative has an article today about the software Pagasus by an Israeli company called NOS that can read everything you do on your phone, including all your emails, chats, messages, photos, videos, and track all your movements through GPS. Instead of helping us, technology is increasingly being used against us.

    The future is simply this: you either control the machines, or you are controlled by the machines. And you can be sure that those who control those who control the machines, do not have our best interests in mind.

    Human history is a sorry saga replete with endless wars and cruelty. Many of the rulers of our supposed greatest civilizations: the Egyptians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks and Romans, were truly insane, savage and decadent, but same goes for the monarchs and rulers who came after. This is of course not unique to Western peoples. The Chinese, Indians, Aztecs, Africans etc. all have their sorry past. And yet we never learn. History just keeps repeating itself, being run over time and again by the greediest, most ambitious, decadent, savage and ruthless. Humans find ways to self-destruct. No group is exempted. More technology will only bring more damage. I shudder at the thought of space exploration. If there is intelligent life in this universe, they’d do well to avoid Earth altogether.

    • Agree: BluEidDvl
    • Replies: @denk
  178. The Chinese seem to like our asset stripping Jews so much maybe we can do an expatriation deal after the US collapses.

  179. tamo says:
    @Malla

    The following Chinese agricultural technologies were transmitted to Europe ONLY in the 1700s, row cultivation of crops, using horse-drawn hoes, malleable cast iron plow with heavy moldboard, rotary winnowing fan, MULTI- TUBE seed drill. All these Chinese inventions and innovations greatly helped Britain bring about it’s agricultural revolution in the 18th century.

    • Replies: @tamo
    , @Malla
  180. Rdm says:
    @Johnny Johnny

    There are 5 Lagrange points. It’s a spacial position in space where the gravity between two planetary objects cancel each other. L1 is between the Earth and the Moon. L2 is further out of the moon.

    So the Yutu-2 rover will always be far side of the moon. It’s not like we’d be seeing the rover once the Moon rotates back to Earth and becomes near side of the Moon. Far side of the moon will always be far side of the moon due to its own revolution on its own axis and at the same time rotating along with the Earth. So there’s no way to send the communication signal to the far side of the moon.

    It’s like you can’t see backwards but if you place a mirror slightly to your side, you can see backwards. The analogy will be like rear-view and side-view mirrors in a car. So CE2 (Chang’e mission 2) sent a relay station (or satellite) to L2 point. Any communication afterwards between Yutu rover on the far side of the moon is via relay station back to Earth.

    [MORE]

    China lunar mission is called CE1, 2, incrementally and it’s now completed to CE5.

    The CE5 is the illustration of China technical prowess in Space exploration. Sending the lander, scooping lunar soils, docking the module back in Lunar atmosphere and coming back to Earth.

    —————

    I have written extensively about the technical details and impossibilities of Men landing on the Moon in other articles.

    I’m not gonna repeat it here. As far as I can see, the survivability of biological species on other planetary bodies is still a wild guess at best.

    Talking about Moon landing, some carry their old memories and it meant the world to them. Reasoning doesn’t help to see the Truth. It’s the same as That guy reborn after death and still the most beloved guy in 21st century. No one becomes alive after a complete death. We have science. Unless someone goes into coma or hibernate. Anyway, I meant to say the belief system in Moon landing.

    —————

    The last observation

    United States took Hawaii, Puerto Rico, sent their military bases around the globe. Even a tiny island Diego Garcia is still under US/UK administration. If this peculiar trait of land grabbing is not obvious, we can still observe the Falkland Islands controversy.

    But the place the US has successfully sent Men and played golf, drove a buggy, jumped, dropped a feather and a hammer, traveled back and forth 6 times and suddenly stopped doing and jerking off to Mars, Jupiter, all the planetary anuses, if one can’t see a picture, we can be sure that they’re can only be blind….. of course blind in faith.

  181. @A Half Naked Fakir

    Recall that China got where it is today despite physical attacks, massive subversion attempts, and under embargoes against everything a developing country needs. Yet it solved humanity’s most difficult problem: poverty.

    China’s infant mortality, 5.4 per thousand births is lower than America’s 5.69 and Chinese children’s healthy life expectancy is longer than American kids and they will graduate high school three years ahead of them.

    There are now more hungry children, drug addicts, suicides and executions, more homeless, poor, illiterate, and imprisoned citizens in America than in China.

    With that handled, it has begun to focus on science and technology and has already outstripped the US in STEM research.

    Militarily, all of China’s missiles outrange all of America’s corresponding weapons, often by 100%, and China completely dominates the West Pacific. Four nuclear powers have joined its defense league, the Shanghai Cooperative Organization, and two-thirds of the world’s nations have joined its BRI and half the world’s population belong to its RCEP trade zone.

    • Agree: Mulga Mumblebrain
    • Replies: @Jokem
    , @A Half Naked Fakir
  182. @Sarah

    Despite America’s grain embargo, nobody starved to death in Mao’s China. The idea is ridiculous on its face. https://www.unz.com/article/mao-reconsidered-part-two-whose-famine/

    • LOL: Johnny Rico
  183. Getaclue says:
    @Irish Savant

    David Rockefeller, and his Satanic family, is basically responsible for “Modern” China — without him and what he did thru Kissinger/Nixon and in setting up the off shoring of USA Manufacturing to China/ChiComs as part of his NWO Agenda China would still be at the level of Mao — destroying the country thru “Cultural Revolution” and killing Starlings and having Locust Plagues as a result, the “genius” of Mao/ChiComs we are so often lectured about here on UNZ lies with David Rockefeller and his betrayal of the USA….– this fact is never mentioned of course because of MUH CHINA “genius” LOL…the USA was totally sold out by the Rockefellers and their lackeys — the John Birch Society warned about this — used to hear Alan Stang on the radio 40 years ago going on about the Rockefellers and predicting exactly what has happened and is happening today in the USA and Western World due to them…:

    “Some even believe [the Rockefellers] are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure – one world, if you will. If that’s the charge, I stand guilty, and I’m proud of it.” [Taken from the biography of David Rockefeller, Memoirs]

    “We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the work is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a World Government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries” [Memoirs]

    https://patriotssoapbox.com/politics/the-grand-strategy-kissinger-rockefeller-scheme-to-transfer-wealth-industry-to-china/

    https://lipstick-and-war-crimes.org/mao-yale-man-rothschilds-create-peoples-republic-china/

    https://www.conspiracies.net/rockefeller-conspiracy-theories/

  184. Truth says:
    @InnerCynic

    Slight correction:

    They have found a way to kill you; it is by somehow convincing you to take a suicide shot.

    70% of the US Army has taken this shot, so the Chineese army will simply be invited in in 2024 to finish the job.

    • Agree: Getaclue
    • LOL: InnerCynic
  185. BluEidDvl says:
    @Rufus Arrr

    Exactly. It blows my mind that so many Americans cannot see what is right in front of their faces. Americans discounted Japanese products in the 1950s laughing at that Japanese “junk”. By the 1970s we stopped laughing. Japanese products began to take market share & then utterly dominate in short order withe radios, cameras, autos, TVs & electronics. China is following the same developmental path in starting with low end/low cost manufacturing to high end, sophisticated products/production. Now, imagine a country with 10 times Japans population, who graduates nearly 5 million STEM graduates a year, who has long time goals for utter domination in critical fields. AI, biotechnology, micro processors, robotics, aviation, material science, space science, etc, etc, etc. they are working to be THE dominant force in all those fields. Baring nuclear war or a meteor hitting the Earth, they will!..

    Pretty arrogant for a country that owes a large part of its postwar prosperity to stolen German technology to then discount the rising power that is China.. 😉

    • Replies: @UNIT472
    , @Mevashir
  186. tamo says:
    @tamo

    I made a typographical error. It should be “row cultivation AND using horse-drawn hoeing, instead of “row cultivation, using horse-drawn hoeing.

    • Replies: @Alden
  187. @A Half Naked Fakir

    How much of it is its own …? Copycats aren’t the same thing!

    The US obsession with being first. Winner takes all. Apple “invents” one-click, so no-one else can use it. What a load of crap! Which monkey first invented the pointed stick? Billionaires and abject poverty in one violent economy.

    We had this foolish discussion back in the Japanese bubble. The nerve they had! Copying products and technologies from all over the world. Improving them just a little. Better and better. “We shoulda stuck with Edsels and Philcos!”

  188. UNIT472 says:
    @Rdm

    The Chinese Space program is just going down well plowed fields. Geologically, the Moon is known. If it has any value it is as a base from which longer manned space exploration can take place especially if water can be found and used as both propellant and life support for such missions.

    If China wants to step up to the table in space exploration it needs to undertake an “Apollo” style mission and do what needs to be done. A sample return from Mars would be a valuable ‘first’ not another LEO space station. Robotic spacecraft actually landing on Europa or Enceladus to study their subsurface oceans would also be pioneering achievements not landing another man on the moon.

    There is nothing to stop China from launching even bigger more capable space telescopes. I hope they will. The money we earthlings have available to study the heavens is limited and should not be wasted by duplicating what others have already done.

    • Replies: @Rdm
  189. Avery says:
    @Rufus Arrr

    Good post American expat.
    Very thoughtful.
    And quite sobering.

    { But until America gets back to making things… physical, tangible items, and paying for them with currency backed by hard tangible gold, and employing STEM trained workers… America will just fall further and further back.}

    I highly doubt America can get back to making things: America is carrying too much baggage now.
    Too much debt; Too many foreign entanglements all over the world sucking the lifeblood out of the American people; Too many obligations (both necessary and useless/harmful); Leaders who could care less about the future of America or American people……

    The tremendous advantage Chinese have is that their government works to advance the interests of China and Chinese people. They are nationalists/patriots. “Nationalism” is a dirty word in US. Nobody knows whose interests are various American governments serving. To wit: the Biden Administration has thrown open the gates and is inviting everybody and his brother to come settle in US. I am an immigrant myself, but we went through the process, waited our turn…..When you have uncontrolled 3rd world immigration with no limits whatsoever, then you no longer can compete with a country like China.

    {… America will just fall further and further back}

    Yep: it surely will, and there is nothing anybody can do anything about it.
    America was a GREAT idea, while is lasted: but the rot has taken root and is destroying her from within.
    Sad, sad, sad.

  190. tamo says:
    @A Half Naked Fakir

    America is the granddaddy of industrial espionage and counterfeiting. When America was a developing country in the 19th and early 20th centuries, An America that lacked both creativity and originality, was the biggest thieving- copycat in the world. Consequently, the U.S. became the counterfeit capital of the world.

    America copied other countries’ inventions, ideas without regard to patents, copyright, trademarks. Even the U.S. Treasury Department in the 19th century even set up a bounty system for rewarding anybody for stealing and bringing foreign technologies to America. As a matter of fact, the 19th century American textile industry was basically based on stolen British technologies.

    Also Americans were infamous for illegally copying Charles Dickens’ novels or manufacturing inferior hats in New York and then slapping made-in Paris labels on them and had a very bad reputation for making unsafe and gross food products (For example, American meat packers used extremely harmful TB -infected pork to make sausages). You can find all this information and more by reading Aug 26, 2007 Boston Globe article named A NATION OF OUTLAWS A CENTURY AGO, THAT WASN’T CHINA—– IT WAS US and also a Dec 5, 2012 Foreign Policy article titled WE WERE PIRATES, TOO.

    Every developed country went through copying stage before it became innovative. Germans copied from British. Americans stole and copied from Europe (Even in the early 20th century, American car makers were busy reverse-engineering more advanced European cars) and Japan stole and copied from both Europe and America.
    Also before the Industrial Revolution the technologically backward Europeans directly or indirectly copied a lot of things from China and Islamic civilization.

    • Agree: showmethereal
    • Thanks: Mevashir
    • Replies: @Rdm
    , @Malla
  191. UNIT472 says:
    @BluEidDvl

    What ‘stolen’ German technology is that? At the end of WW2 Werner Von Braun and other senior German V-2 pioneers (Walter Dornberger and Kurt Debus being two notable others) wanted to surrender not just themselves but their blueprints and technology to the United States. They did so.

    Von Braun went on to head the Army Ballistic Missile Agency in Huntsville Alabama ( not a particularly glamorous post until Sputnik). Dornberger got a job at North American Aviation and went to work on our X-planes to include the X-15 and Debus ran the Cape Canaveral missiles launch facilities that became the Kennedy Space Center which he was fhe first director of.

    None of their work was stolen. Most of it was funded by the US taxpayer. We didn’t send a V-2 to the moon. Von Braun had to design and build a Saturn V. The X-15 speaks for itself. It still holds records for altitude and speed and the Kennedy Space Center is without equal in the world for the assembly and launching of rockets.

  192. Mevashir says:
    @BluEidDvl

    Pretty arrogant for a country that owes a large part of its postwar prosperity to stolen German technology to then discount the rising power that is China

    Our ((financial overlords)) are profiting by selling treasury bills to China. The whole debt economy benefits them and they could care less that China is actually replacing the US as a productive superpower.

    The ((usual usurers)) are profiting off our destruction. The world’s ((smallest nation)) teams up with the world’s largest to torpedo America.

    Our infatuation with fatuous entertainment spelled our doom long ago.

    • Replies: @BluEidDvl
  193. @Dystopian

    Uighurs are not the victims of genocide in China. If you are going to make such accusations, you should supply evidence.

  194. @JM

    This difference is huuuge. Govt/people over money interests in a country.

    But China also differs in the way it selects its leaders. Very, very different. They actually use track records of governance instead of uber retarded popularity contests.

    And lastly, the Chinese populace has the power to topple their govts. The capability which americans and europeans sorely lacks because they are brainwashed into thinking they get to choose their own leaders in the current govt.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  195. BluEidDvl says:
    @Mevashir

    Agreed. A damned, pitiful, pathetic shame.. 😒

  196. Baron says:

    Around 1850, the deposits in London banks exceeded those in all world banks, that was the pinnacle of the British hegemony.

    Around 1950, the debt owed by the world to the American Republic equalled the Republic’s annual GDP, that was the peak of the American hegemony.

    Around 2050 ….

  197. Josh Kenn says:

    This is the most interesting article I have seen in months that is not about the covid hoax.

    Things are much worse than state run propaganda has let us know.

    • Replies: @Mevashir
  198. Smith says:
    @Deep Thought

    I thought that was an obvious answer. If Vietnam did not understand China, how could Vietnam resist the cultural assimilation and keep saying “No”?

    And no, while the viet character changes (before we used chinese characters), the language is the same. Meanwhile, mandarin is a combination of chinese and khitdan language, which is why it’s different compared to cantonese and the oyher chinese dialects.

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
  199. Rdm says:
    @tamo

    That’s why there’s Traitor the slater pun in British society to punish those who dared.

    What’s more? Yes, When Charles Dickens landed in America for the first time, the first impression he observed and publicized was “The most barbarian nation I have ever visited; backwards, uncultured with no history to feel attached to.”

    A bit of story will tell us as to why there’s Smithsonian National Museum establishment. It was to counter Dickens’ comments. Even the East Wing of Supreme Court has a Confucius statue along with Moses and Solon to pay homage to those that guided the great civilization by rule and order.

    Young Americans these days are completely brainwashed to the point where they have no fucking clue how their nation was built upon. Their arguments has no logic, solid facts, but just feeling.

    • Thanks: tamo
  200. @Astuteobservor II

    In the USA elections are not essentially ‘popularity contests’. Of course politics is Hollywood for ugly people, but the real parameter of success is MONEY. In 90% or so of contests the spender of the more or most money wins. ‘ Democracy’ as graft, with Jews particularly ‘generous’-and demanding. That’s why talk of the ‘Jewish vote’ is SO laughable-One Benny, One Vote!

  201. @UNIT472

    No-the Nazis simply moved from the Third Reich to the Fourth Reich, that’s all.

  202. BluEidDvl says:
    @UNIT472

    One can argue semantics all the want but the fact remains we’re throwing away our children’s future. We fell hook, line & sinker for the false god of “diversity” thinking it a strength but China will care less about our diversity. They’re eating our lunch & deservedly so, we let them. Had we not had such zeal in slaughtering our brothers across the pond, maybe we wouldn’t be in this mess?.

    Maybe you should read John Nugents “the great patent heist” & you’d know all that was plundered from defeated Germany.

  203. Mevashir says:

    But China also differs in the way it selects its leaders. Very, very different. They actually use track records of governance instead of uber retarded popularity contests.

    Great observation. It is clear that China’s leaders are smart competent focused and idealistic. Something not seen in America since Thomas Jefferson.

    Given the reputed higher IQ of Chinese than Americans, we have no hope as a nation. America is all about selfish individualism. There is no social contract or national identity. The only goal is to make a lot of money. So when America lies in the dustbin of history, the Jusurer financial overlords will be in the cups from selling so much debt to the Chinese. The Chinks and Kikes tag-teaming to doom our society.

  204. @houston 1992

    This is where they need to start with producing a decent Formula One engine and chassis. Hire German drivers. They already have the track.

  205. Mevashir says:
    @Josh Kenn

    Can you imagine a two hour documentary that honestly would convey to Americans the true state of affairs in China. For example they have 30 cities of >10 million people. High speed rail. Cutting edge technology. Farsighted leadership. Social solidarity. Commitment. Idealism. Such a documentary would scare the shit out of Americans. Instead they try to reassure us by showing us films of the “Hermit Kingdom” NKDSR.

    (China also has the benefit of being the most ethnically homogenous country on earth: 90% ethnic Han.)

    The essential point is the Jusurers are making a mountain of gold arbitraging our national debt to China. And of course orchestrating huge Wall St profits off the low wages paid in China. The Jusurers are the only class happy with the current state of affairs. But when Woody Wilson authorized a national central bank controlled by the Jusurers, we already were doomed.

    • Agree: annamaria
  206. @Dane Yorick

    Especially the Russians …… when it comes to winning cold wars through espionage. BRAVO !!

  207. Franz says:
    @Rdm

    But then, those parodies and buckteeth mockery of Asians have been a wonderful self-fellatio every weekends at Tiffany’s, aren’t they?

    For Mickey Rooney maybe. The rest of us never cared for that crap either.

  208. @Dystopian

    Wikipedia ‘Leftwing’? You’re insane and a racist liar. There is NO ‘genocide’ in Xinjiang. It is a truly Evil Big Lie sucked up by Evil, racist, imbeciles.

    • Replies: @Dystopian
  209. Bill says:
    @ruralguy

    Oh tosh. The GOP has always been the party of cheap labor. Cheap labor has meant immigration and diversity. The GOP voted for Hart-Cellar, Voting Rights, and Civil Rights with significantly larger majorities than did democrats. Ronald Reagan passed the 1986 amnesty. Bush the Lesser wanted to do the same and continues to agitate for another amnesty. Treason is baked into the soul of the GOP.

    The Democrats and especially the party’s labor and liberal wing were anti-immigrant until fairly recently. Walter Mondale was anti-immigrant, e.g. The AFL-CIO didn’t change its tune until around 2000. By that time, it was an empty, powerless husk. As long as organized labor actually existed, it was anti-immigration.

    Candidate Donald Trump found it useful to lie about his immigration enthusiasm, but it wasn’t exactly hard to detect once he became President Donald Trump.

    Saying this over and over won’t help, of course. The GOP faithful *like* to be lied to. As long as GOP candidates wear Murkan flags on their lapels and say they are against immigration, abortion, gay marriage, trannies in women’s sports, and whatever the faithfuls’ voting retardation of the day is, the drooling army of automata will show up to pull the R lever.

    • Agree: Euripidoze
  210. JM says:
    @Inselaffen

    Cut the abuse walnut brain and try to define what you are trying to say. You might start by stating your credentials on the subject – other than the ones you got from posting in the back room of your mother’s house.

    Fascism was once defined as “the last wrung around the collapsing barrel of Capitalism”, but that defines nothing about its workings. The simple fascist self definition of “the Corporate State” is pretty good and contains the former. It’s a state in which the political arm of the state oversees all of society, seeking to harmonize the capitalist economy and society. That is rather like what China has become. The old highly authoritarian Communist Party rule has been transformed into one ruling over a burgeoning capitalist economy but seeking to harmonize the society – and doing so with a lot of success.

    On the other hand, the American state though increasingly powerful, presides over a collapsing capitalist economy and is is dominated by Wall Street and Big Business whose policies it invariably propagates and is subordinate to. The result is a society in complete disharmony (near civil war) arising from extreme arbitrariness in ramming to globalist policies and associated social agendas of the capitalist plutocracy down the throats of half the population. This isn’t the old Capitalism, but a new highly authoritarian form, which, because of the absolute dominance of Global Capitalists over it, increasingly deserves the title of Corporate Fascism. The existence of a President who needs to be led about (the real rule being done by the technocratic agents of the banks and transnational business) and its capacity to control society in the surreal way it has in the recent fake “epidemic” is evidence for this.

  211. Robjil says:
    @Rdm

    184 voted “Yes” in UN to lift embargo on Cuba.
    2 voted “No” in UN (US and Israel)
    3 abstained (Colombia, Brazil and Ukraine)

    Interesting, Israel and its big poodle votes the same way on most things at the UN.

    The three who abstained are the newest poodles of Israel ruled US.

    That is the reason why China will go far. It is nobody’s poodle and it has no interest in having a collection of poodle states.

  212. lysias says:

    I am reminded of Corelli Barnett’s “The Collapse of British Power” about how Britain sabotaged itself starting in the late 19th century. Unfortunately, they found a way to perpetuate their power, through the world wars. I am afraid the US is about to do the same thing.

    • Replies: @Avery
    , @RichardDuck
  213. Fred Reed loves to air disgust for the home country he fled. The USA was indeed a great experiment, unique. It somehow managed to tame domestic tyranny for it’s citizens, for a while anyway.

    I think perhaps Unca Fred needs to read these articles before being too prickly (although prickliness with Reed is inherent) with the USA and fluffing up China’s technological brilliance –

    https://nationalvanguard.org/2019/07/israel-built-a-massive-empire-of-power-and-wealth-based-on-stolen-american-technology/

    https://lorddreadnought.livejournal.com/37272.html

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/06/16/us-israel-china-deals/

    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2018/09/21/pravda-how-israel-built-chinas-air-force-with-stolen-american-tech/

    In a way, we can’t blame the Chinese for theft. They consider counterfeiting a high art form, not a crime. It’s cultural.

    With Israel, the “country” (a territory really) created by gangsters as an international base from which to operate, anything goes. China and Israel are a perfect match; Israeli “technology”, obtained or developed by any means, and China’s productive capacity. One slight wrinkle; Israel wants the BRI centered on itself, not on China. It’s just a matter of time to see who will screw over who first in that relationship.

    • Replies: @denk
    , @denk
  214. 9593 says:
    @KenH

    KenH may be on to something, to be verified an anthropological study, starting from population information, of the Jewish influence on national productivity:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population_by_country

    Not on the charts: China has about 3000 Jews. Some European Jews took refuge in Shanghai during World War II.

  215. @Irish Savant

    “As always Fred fails to identify the source of such pathologies.”

    Reed and Jared Taylor both. I wonder if these two get ‘paid’ somehow. They are as practically ignorant and useable as jews consider evangelical christians. It has to be intentional. Beware of those who will not mention the clear presence of elephants in small rooms, especially those personas in the alternative information scene. Choose wisely what you take from what they say a la carte and not whole.

  216. Avery says:
    @lysias

    { Unfortunately, they found a way to perpetuate their power, through the world wars.}

    That was before the invention of nuclear weapons.
    Now any large war between Big powers can quickly go nuclear and escalate where everybody who has nukes uses all of them. And then it’s all over.

    But you may be right that desperate countries do desperately stupid/reckless things.
    UK is sending a fleet* to South China sea.
    UK is needling the Russian bear in Crimea.

    US and UK see that their worldwide rein is coming to an end, and like aging gangsters are looking for one more heist. These people are insane and reckless. God help us.

    ________________________________________________________
    * [ ‘We’ll sail where intl law allows’: UK to permanently deploy naval vessels to South China Sea amid regional tensions]

    https://www.rt.com/uk/529733-uk-permanently-deploy-navy-japan/

    btw: these are the same British gangsters that forced China at gunpoint to push opium to their people. China is not going to tolerate British imperialists in their back yard these days.

    • Replies: @Miro23
  217. @Goddard

    You make valid points but to be fair every civilization is dying. I honestly feel we are at the final stages of civilization. Look at the state of the planet. The depleting resources, the weather patterns, the declining physical attributes in most individuals everywhere-thanks to our massive workplace change from physical labor to sitting in front of machines. Why do you think all these billionaires like Bezos, Musk and Branson are trying to get the fuck away into space or build bases on Mars? Earth is a sinking ship. Silicon valley nerds-who I consider a bigger threat than even ISIS or any terrorist organization-have managed to sway the entire planet and we are all collectively addicted to computers and the internet on an unfathomable degree. There are studies on a daily basis of declining attention spans from Japan, America or Nigeria. A simulation prediction done by, I think Vox magazine, stated that once virtual reality glasses become sleek and flexible the next step will be living in the VR world. Everything will be virtual-we will forsake the real world for the virtual. In a strange way the west did ruin the planet-not by their past conquests or colonialism(and I see nothing wrong with colonialism) but by building a nest for these computer nerds to thrive and take over the world.

    Civilization is on its death knell everywhere.

  218. Malla says:
    @tamo

    I was talking about innovations in Northern Europe the 10th to 12th century.

    • Replies: @GomezAdddams
  219. Malla says:
    @tamo

    Also before the Industrial Revolution the technologically backward Europeans

    What rubbish, way before the Industrial revolution, Europe was technologically ahead of the rest of the World in many fields.

    • Replies: @tamo
  220. @meamjojo

    I won’t see it and I suspect you are in the same position but the Chinese will be the saviour of the human race with Russia’s support.

  221. Dystopian says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Well Wikipedia surely isn’t right wing. You Chinese trolls need to up your game.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  222. @Savageone

    Well you are certainly not brilliant. Every line of your comment is just false.

  223. @xxxeliss

    Could be the STEM jobs are now overseas

  224. Rdm says:
    @UNIT472

    I beg to differ.

    If it’s a well-plowed field, any nation can jump on and send spacecrafts here and there. Just because we have a calculator doesn’t mean we can downplay the arrival of the computers. The same goes for smartphones. No one’s gonna use those clunky walkie-talkies in 21st century. I don’t think iPhone was walking in a well-plowed field of Nokia, Sony, Blackberry and came up with a touchphone. Granted China relied on old technology knowhow and expertise from those leading nations. But it has improved a lot. As I mentioned above, all the endeavors China has taken so far has been novel.

    You can’t say Nokia and iPhone are just phones. China CE mission requires multiple stages. Unmanned lunar soil collection? When CE5 returned lunar soils without any humans involvement physically in space, it represents another milestone in lunar exploration, not because of another soil, but because the technological feasibility of sending a metal piece back and forth between 238,000 miles in space.

    If this is a well-plowed field, why the US has not excelled in ping pong game then? It only requires 2 men. Or Why China has not mastered the 11 men football game? You’re downplaying the humankind achievement, solely because it’s China.

    In all China space explorations, although China has welcomed any nation to join, it was the US that blocked China from participating in ISS. So it’s not so much walking in a park per se.

    —————–

    I was thinking of writing about Lunar Research Station earlier and I stopped short of detailing because it got too long. But now that you mentioned it, I’ll chime in my thought.

    First, you and I might have a different opinion on China and the US. That’s fine. But here politics aside, I’ll detail my utmost objectivity here on space exploration.

    When China sent their rovers to the Moon, I don’t take it as another copycat doing exactly the US has done 50 years ago. I saw it as another milestone for our humankind to explore the space.

    Granted, the US was a leading nation back then in space together with USSR. But all we mere mortals had was whatever those higher up feeds upon us. If six men landed on the Moon, it was Six men. If it’s 12 men landed on the Moon, so be it. It’s 12 Men. We have no clue on if it can actually be achieved; the survivability of biological species on another planetary body. Now China comes to the scene and I venture to say that we will see the Truth. The truth that whether we mere earthlings can further our frontiers into space.

    China space exploration has no baggage like 1969 Apollo programs. China has no war atrocity going on behind the curtain to divert her 1.4 billion people. If China sets her mind on the mission, they will pursue it. That’s the kind of progress, either China or the US, any person on this planet Earth wish to see and would like to pass on for our future generations. Granted, if the US does it, Americans would feel proud. If China does it, Chinese will feel proud.

    Side note [When American did it, there was no sour Chinese dissing on American achievement. It was indeed Chinese humble enough to learn and retool the technology. Now we’re seeing sour grapes Western media, partly influencing the future generation mindset. Instead of cooperating and making progress for humankind, it’s a trash talk from western media 24/7, Elon Musk rockets falling off to a village in Indonesia, it’s crickets. Another rocket fell into a farm in Washington DC, it’s all beautiful fireworks, but China space station falling back to Indian Ocean, it’s going to blow up the entire New York City. The western values that they’ve been preaching have gone down the drain. Not only that it also destroys the psyche of future generations.]

    —————–

    … A sample return from Mars would be a valuable ‘first’ not another LEO space station. Robotic spacecraft actually landing on Europa or Enceladus to study their subsurface oceans would also be pioneering achievements not landing another man on the moon.

    There is nothing to stop China from launching even bigger more capable space telescopes. I hope they will. The money we earthlings have available to study the heavens is limited and should not be wasted by duplicating what others have already done.

    I agree. I hope they will do much more. In fact, I’d like to see China, US and Russia all together doing cool stuff at space. It would be immense and will open up so many doors for future generations.

    • Agree: showmethereal
  225. @lysias

    Thanks for the reference. Irrational behavior by some people who feel angry at China because they are loosing the world dominance. This is a dangerous period to go through until those people come out of mourning and move on.

  226. I’m as fascinated by the rise of China as I am by the previous rise of the West.

    …I would caution people not to make the mistake of hysterical projectionism: the assumption that a particular trend line — such as overpopulation, decrease of a given racial group as a proportion of the whole, climatic warming, Chinese prosperity — will continue forever. In the real world, these trends which look so inevitably endless on paper actually tend to run into some kind of countering influence; in this case, the explosive rise of China could end up leaving behind a ruined nation. And it might not. One awaits the course of developments, keeping an open mind.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  227. tamo says:
    @Malla

    Nonsense, read an article named ALL THE RICHES OF THE EAST RESTORED in Le Monde diplonatique on October. 2004 by Philip S Golub. The article says according to Joseph Needham., the most authoritative western sinologist of all time who wrote the monumental Science And Civilization In China which was chosen by the Random House as one of the best 100 English non-fictions of the 20th century, China was AHEAD of Europe in TECHNOLOGY BEFORE and AFTER the European Renaissance. This situation lasted until the coming of the Industrial Revolution. Also in terns of SCIENCE, Europe overtook China in astronomy in the 16th century and math and physics in the 17th century. But China was still ahead of Europe in magnetism so that Europe did not catch up to China until the 17th century and China was still ahead in chemical knowledge, botany until the late 18th century and in case of medicine, China was ahead of Europe well into the 19th century.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
    , @Montefrío
  228. Anon[413] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mike321

    If we’re being pedantic: the far side gets more. It is never eclipsed by the earth.

    • Replies: @Mike321
  229. @animalogic

    If the history was written by money, then the ancient Greeks would have not crashed the Persians in Salamina in 480 BC, in Marathon 490 BC. If the history was written by money then the contemporary Greeks would have not crashed the Italians on the mountains of Albania in 1940. If the history was written by money then the Greeks would have not crashed the Turks in the revolution against them in 1821. If, if…. The history is written only by blood. The Americans make always a tremendous mistake. They think the bucks will save the imminent destruction of your country. The money is the loop which puts your heads deeper in the grave with the snakes and those snakes have nothing else except poison. Wake up and look inside yourselves and do not think by your stomach.

    • Replies: @animalogic
  230. Malla says:
    @tamo

    Nonsense. And I am not comparing the West only to China. And I can bring a lot of data about how many elements of Chinese civilization went from India.

    Was Medieval Western Europe “Not Advanced”? by Real Crusades History

    Even during the Crusades, overall medieval Europe was as equal in development as the Islamic world. No doubt during the Islamic Golden Age, the Islamic World did many innovations. Also in many fields like medicine, the Islamic world was ahead for a long time as Arab doctors would go to Europe to heal European Lords but by the late millennium, Europe was going ahead as evidenced by the writings of Abu Taleb Khan.

    How Does the West Work?

    Western civilization we know it is a continuation of the Greeco Roman civilization but is at the same time a distinct civilization (from Classical Civilization) because Western civilization today is predominantly at its core Germanic civilization with ancient Greeco-Roman, Western Christianity, Western Slavic/Med/Celtic/Baltic/Finnic elements as extra support elements. By the 12th century Western civilization/ European civilization had already become equal to all other major civilization areas of Eurasia including the Middle East, North East Asia, South East Asia and Indian subcontinent.

    • Replies: @tamo
    , @Alden
    , @Miro23
  231. @Jayant Bhandari Truth - India Feces River

    what’s all the fuss…!!! Bill Gates is well on his way to making worse food for Americans to eat, to end the Global Warming crisis!!!

    Gates is going to kill pork and chicken farms, crush worms and dried human faeces to form into meats for everything…burghers and dogs, McChicken, Kentucky fried, strip loins….

    Look out!

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  232. Malla says:
    @tamo

    I am not comparing Europe w.r.t China only but Europe’s position w.r.t all other civilizations in Eurasia. I am not denying the Far East was very advanced. But by the 12th century way before the Industrial revolution, Colonial Expansions and the Renaissance, Europe was already equal in many ways as a civilization to other civilizations. This whole concept of the “dark ages” is a Renaissance idea, they looked down upon the Middle Ages and they tried to exaggerate the Greeco Roman element (which was an important part) of Western civilization and downplaying the Germanic core element of Western Civilization.

    Mongols VS Knights by Raffaello Urbani (Metatron)

    From 20:27 minutes is that even if Ogedei Khan had not died and the Mongols invading Europe had not gone back for the election of the next great Khan, they would have still found conquering Western Europe much more difficult. Indeed it is historical facts that even before the death of the Great Khan, the moment the Mongols start seeing the more advanced fortified stone masonry castles of Western Europe, they just stop. They stop invading. In those days, Eastern Europe and Hungary had less castes but Germany had tens of thousands of castles. The Mongols may have been unbeatable in field warfare, they would not have been able to cope with siege warfare on a land with such large numbers of castles. Indeed the Mongols knew the (at that period of time in history) the more powerful powers in Europe was in the West of Europe and it would have taken a lot of time and rearrangement of the Mongol army to attain their dream of an Empire till the Atlantic.
    Now my point and not Mr Urbani, I am adding on to his point is that even if the Mongols had access to Chinese and Persian Engineers, they would have found dealing with the castle ridden landscape of Western Europe in countries such as Germany, France, Italian area, England etc… difficult. Also the terrain was much more different from the Eastern part of Europe including Hungary with more woodlands and lessor open places in which the Mongols were more comfortable. The Mongols faced a similar problem with terrain down south in their invasion of Dai Viet Kingdom(Vietnam) in their attempt to conquer Southern Song China.
    Also a 13th century European Medieval Army would have lost to the Mongol Army on open fields but Castles was a different case. But a 15th century European Army would have easily defeated a Mongol Army unless the Mongols too would have advanced. But Europe was advancing at a faster rate than other civilizations in military technology partly because of extreme competition in between European nations.

    Maybe by the time the Turks came to Constantinople, the siege technology of Central Asians had increased. Also even if Arabs and Middle Easterners built great forts, the truth is that Western Europeans were far ahead in this technology of fortified castles.
    In the video in my last post , “Was Medieval Islam more advanced than the Christian West’ by “Real Crusades History” channel, one of technologies, Europeans had an upper hand over the Arabs/Middle Easterners was fortified Castle technology. At 3:12 minutes in the “Was Medieval Islam more advanced than the Christian West” video, prior to the arrival of the European Crusaders, Castle and siege technology in the Middle East was much more simple. The European Crusaders introduced elaborate fortified Castle technologies which helped them hold huge territories even if they had numerical disadvantage with the Muslims. It also talks of European Naval superiority over the Arabs, something corroborated by the writings of Ibn Khaldun.

  233. Alden says:
    @tamo

    Horse drawn hoe? You don’t even know what a hoe is. You might, might, be thinking of a harrow. I doubt you know what that is either.

    • Replies: @tamo
  234. tamo says:
    @Malla

    Joseph Needham’s contribution to the history of science and technology in China by Gregory Blue. A glance at Table I will give some impression of the scale and importance of the techniques which travelled westward from China to Europe in the first 17 centuries of our era. Transmission was in certain cases by direct diffusion, in other cases by stimulus diffusion; we see here 24 types of technical innovation which, to varying degrees, succeeded in revolutionizing aspects of European life. And it might be added that Table I was admittedly incomplete at the time of its publication in 1954 – since then, many more examples of westward diffusion have been adduced. On the other hand, it is interesting to consider the mechanical elements which the West was able to contribute to Chinese civilization at the time of the Jesuits (+seventeenth century): these numbered only two: the Archimedean screw and the crankshaft. TABLE 1. Transmission of mechanical and other techniques from China to the West

    [MORE]

    Approximate lag in centuries
    (a) Square-pallet chain-pump 15
    (b) Edge-runner mill 13
    Edge-runner mill with application of water-power 9
    (c) Metallurgical blowing-engines, water-power 11
    (d) Rotary fan and rotary winnowing machine 14
    (e) Piston-bellows. c.14
    (f) Draw-loom 4
    (g) Silk-handling machinery (a form of flyer for laying thread evenly on reels appears in the +11th century, and water-power is applied to spinning mills in the +14th) 3-13
    (h) Wheelbarrow 9-10
    (i) Sailing-carriage 11
    (j) Wagon-mill 12
    (k) Efficient harness for draught animals:
    Breast-strap (postilion) 8
    Collar 6
    (1) Cross-bow (as an individual arm) 13
    (m) Kite c.12
    (n) Helicopter top (spun by cord) 14
    Zoetrope (moved by ascending hot-air current) c.10
    (o) Deep drilling 11
    (p) Cast iron 10-12
    (q) “Cardan” suspension 8- 9
    (r) Segmental arch bridge 7
    (s) Iron-chain suspension bridge 10-13
    (t) Canal lock gates 7-17
    (u) Nautical construction principles >10
    (v) Stern-post rudder c. 4
    (w) Gunpowder 5- 6
    Gunpowder used as a war technique 4
    (x) Magnetic compass (lodestone spoon) 11
    Magnetic compass with needle 4
    Magnetic compass used for navigation 2
    (y) Paper 10
    Printing (block) 6
    Printing (movable type) 4
    Printing (metal movable type) 1
    (z) Porcelain 11-13
    Source: SCC, Vol. 1, p. 242. By the 1750s, China was still ahead of Europe in agricultural, metallurgical, shipbuilding, printing, deep-drilling for oil and gas. textile, ceramics,etc technologies The 21st century will be the Asian century, I really hope both China and India should get along better to lead the rest of Asia.

    • Replies: @Malla
  235. Alden says:
    @Malla

    Puleezee The Arab Drs believed the same Galen nonsense as the Europeans did. As for the Golden Age of Islam, they didn’t create anything. The Muslim southern invaders conquered the remains of the Greco Roman Egyptian Mesopotamian Anatolian Persian Byzantine empires.

    This was the Muslim golden age. The 400 years or so between 700AD and 1100AD before the Muslim religion and southern Arab backwardness destroyed the remnants of the great ancient and early Christian civilizations.

    Claiming the backward southern Arab Muslims created anything is like claiming that the European explorers in America created tobacco chili peppers potatoes and corn.

    Your comment is just ignorant repetition of Jewish Masonic Protestant reformation anti White anti European anti Christian racist propaganda.

    Next you’ll be quoting the racist ignorance of Black Athena by the Jewish racist professor Bernal.

    I figured out the lies in my history of world civilizations first year high school text.

    The Persians, Muslims, Chaldean Catholics Zoroastrians Nestorian and other Christians and Jews have a much better grasp of the primitive southern Aran Muslim conquest than you and your anti White anti European anti Christian middle school history propaganda.

    • Agree: Avery
  236. Jokem says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    ‘Yet it solved humanity’s most difficult problem: poverty.’

    Adolph Hitler solved his poverty problem also, he got rid of all the ‘undesirables’.

  237. @Malla

    Battleaxes and such???

    • Replies: @Malla
  238. anonymous[667] • Disclaimer says:

    • Agree: Josh Kenn
    • Thanks: Boomthorkell
    • LOL: Malla
    • Replies: @HeebHunter
    , @Badger Down
  239. @Escher

    Why don’t you go to Xinjiang and find out for yourself? Fake news FOX and CNN are simply both faces of CIA –controlling your thoughts and narrative making a person respond like Pavlov’s dog —ruff ruff –USA is right —all else is wrong –WHY —saw it on the KNEWS ??? Rite?????

    • Thanks: Sarah
  240. @Dystopian

    What –where–and name the “concentration camps” in Xinjiang –location —numbers held –FACTS not BS—–all this “mumbo jumbo” from Wikipedia —–cess pool of CIA dumpings…all tummy rot and fiddle faddle for dummies to swoom over —hey —you think Trump is smart –wait till you see Biden—NOT Joe ——————-BUT HUNTER !!!! Clickety clack down the track –Antrak Joe is peddling back !!!!

  241. Miro23 says:
    @Avery

    But you may be right that desperate countries do desperately stupid/reckless things.
    UK is sending a fleet* to South China sea.
    UK is needling the Russian bear in Crimea.

    You’re attributing some agency to the UK. In fact it’s the most subjugated state in the Jewish Empire. It’s the world capital of wokism, LGBT, obligatory promotion of Blacks, “hate speech” activism, radicalized universities, media censorship, mass Covid vaccination – and of course it’s pathetically in the frontline of the Empires military challenges to Russia and China (with its little fleet).

    Boris Johnson is the archetypical Jewish puppet and even looks and acts like something out of the Muppet show.

    • Replies: @HeebHunter
  242. Miro23 says:
    @Malla

    Western civilization we know it is a continuation of the Greeco Roman civilization but is at the same time a distinct civilization (from Classical Civilization) because Western civilization today is predominantly at its core Germanic civilization with ancient Greco-Roman, Western Christianity, Western Slavic/Med/Celtic/Baltic/Finnic elements as extra support elements. By the 12th century Western civilization/ European civilization had already become equal to all other major civilization areas of Eurasia including the Middle East, North East Asia, South East Asia and Indian subcontinent.

    That’s very well put. Western Europeans did have this identity – and the high water mark were the world colonial expansions (to North America – India – South America etc.).

    However, now, most of Western civilization as you defined it is in collapse mode. It’s run by a Judaic minority much more interested in looting than in maintaining anything.

    • Agree: Malla
    • Replies: @littlereddot
  243. @ben sampson

    Well, eating meat is unhealthy, and the less the better. Animals can be farmed organically with less use of greenhouse gas producing fossil fuels and nitrogenous fertilisers. Consumption will have to be reduced, and, money power being dominant, rationing will have to do, until we humanely reduce populations of humans. Moreover regenerative grazing of large herbivores will restore grasslands and store huge amounts of carbon in soils, increasing their fertility. It will be best to keep the likes of Gates far away, and leave it to small farmers.

  244. @Passing Poet

    Of course climatic destabilisation will not go on forever, but it will go on long enough to see off Homo destructans.

  245. @Dystopian

    Wikipedia is controlled by the ruling elites. Just because it is not outright fascist, MAGA insane doesn’t make it ‘Leftwing’ by any sane definition.

    • Replies: @Olivier1973
  246. @BostonWealth

    Yes, Apple ripped off a Singaporean company called Creative Technology which was at the time a leader in digital sound tech. Creative was paid off in the lawsuit, they were happy i think, we Singaporeans think so small. But Apple went on to use the tech and made billions with their iPod.

    Its nauseating hearing how Yanks keep deriding China for stealing their stuff. They don’t seem to know how to use a mirror.

    • Thanks: Badger Down
    • Replies: @Badger Down
  247. Sarah says:
    @Rdm

    Very interesting observations; we keep reading in the MSM proclamations like: “The International Community unanimously and with one voice condemns this or that”.
    But as you rightly point out, this so-called “International Community” is only the G7, and I would add, sometimes only the USA (the Washington government more precisely) and often a second country.

    When in reality, the international community is made up of 193 countries around the world.

    184 voted “Yes” in UN to lift embargo on Cuba.
    2 voted “No” in UN (US and Israel)
    3 abstained (Colombia, Brazil and Ukraine)

    Since the US can veto, it doesn’t matter if the others vote against the US or abstain.

  248. America maintains a lead in many things, but seems to be almost asleep and resting on scientific virtuosity that is now lacking.

    Amerikwa has a new mission, courtesy of Shlomo: feeding infinity browns.

    It’s really worked out well for Shlomo.

  249. Mike321 says:
    @Anon

    After all this time it turns out that I was not the only kid potty trained at gunpoint….thanks.

  250. @anonymous

    This is why amerimutt boomercoons want to fight China. Not for dominance, not for neccessity, but for butthurt 🤣👌

    • Replies: @Malla
  251. @Miro23

    A most deserving fate for the subhuman monkey island. 1945 payback!

    Gott strafe England!
    Er strafe es!

  252. tamo says:
    @Alden

    Don’t be belligerent and calm down, man. Horse-drawn hoe was a kind of plough without a mouldboard having two sharp, pointed shares. This was dragged along, with shares going each side of the ridge where crop was growing in a row. It cut the weeds away from each side of the ridge, deepened furrows or irrigation trenches, and further banked up the soil around the the roots of the plants. Such horse- drawn hoe came single or double blades which could be adopted for ridging or for more shallow hoeing. In later times , an improvement called a goose-wing was attached to the horse hoe. This consisted of two wide flaps which further increased the deepening trench and piling of the soil around roots. Each hoeing by the horse-drawn hoe saved several hoeing by hand. Chinese farmers used this horse-drawn hoeing starting around 2nd century AD.

  253. Malla says:
    @HeebHunter

    Murica wants to fight China to plant Homo flag in Beijing, not the Stars and Stripes. Also plant homo flags in Moscow, Minsk, Tehran and Pyongyang. Thus Murican ZOG creates great Homo Army for great Homo Campaign.
    And to make Chinese worship criminal ni##er beasts as saints instead of Mao and Confucius. To make Chinese women twerk to beastly Thug music.
    Ukrainian women are already enjoying the great culture of Twerking. Humankind is truly advancing.

    And this is how Ukrainians enjoyed in their villages in traditional times. Why would anybody give up this beautiful civilized healthy positive traditional culture to enter toxic twerking ghetto thug culture????

    Is humanity going ahead in civilization or going to the jungle to the level of apes?

  254. Malla says:
    @GomezAdddams

    Watch the videos. Increase in agricultural productivity in Northern Europe.

  255. tamo says:
    @Malla

    I’m comparing ONLY the state of technology China vs Europe before the Industrial Revolution, NOTHING ELSE.

    • Replies: @Malla
  256. Malla says:
    @tamo

    If all this is true, at the earliest they would have reached Europe & Middle East during the 13th Century during the Mongol Empire. I am talking about innovations in the 10th to 12th century which made Europe equal to other civilizations.

    • Replies: @tamo
  257. @Godfree Roberts

    “Yet it solved humanity’s most difficult problem: poverty.”

    The United States gave the modern factories and the market to sell in since 1976 and the result has been that poverty in China has massively declined while it has grown substantially in at home. Not a very good bargain.

  258. @Miro23

    Western Europeans did have this identity – and the high water mark were the world colonial expansions (to North America – India – South America etc.).

    What interests me how the different civilisations approach their power. The Western Europeans used their power to colonise and acquire whole continents. How they justified what they did to the inhabitants of these continents is another discussion.

    For me, it is informative to compare what the Chinese did at a similar time. In 1405 when the Ming Dynasty sent out fleets of 200 ships and 30,000 men from China through Southeast Asia, India, Arabia, to East Africa. They encountered lots of petty kingdoms along the way. They set up trade and diplomatic links but did not conquer or colonise a single little chiefdom.

    Now contrast this to the much smaller fleets of Columbus, Vasco da Gama etc several decades later. The story is very very very different.

    Why I bring this up is that every time I read a Westerner comment that “oh when China becomes the big guy, she will conquer the world and make you her slave”, I sigh. There seems to be this automatic assumption that Rise of China = New Chinese Empire.

    Such commenters are able to perceive China only from the lens of his own culture which automatically sees Power = Domination

    Sure, the Chinese are no saints and they have had their own period of empire building. But the truth is that the Chinese appetite for empire ran out about 1000AD. Her core territory has stayed about the same since then. Now of course Tibet, Xinjiang, Mongolia are very complicated subjects and merit a separate discussion.

    • Replies: @Smith
    , @Josh Kenn
    , @Malla
    , @Malla
  259. tamo says:
    @Malla

    Yes, Mongols spread a lot of Chinese technologies to westward. In technology, it took the Industrial Revolution for Europe to overtake China. China invented the movable type in the 11th century but Europe didn’t get it until the 15th century. Now I will list just A FEW of technologies China was still ahead of Europe by the middle of the 18th century. So-called Bessemer steel process that China invented in the 2nd century BC but Americans and Europeans didn’t get it until the until the 19th century. China also invented Siemen’s steel process in the 5th century AD but Europe didn’t get it until the 19th century These two steel process were very important for the industrializing the West. China invented water tight compartments for ships in 2nd century AD but Europe didn’t start using them until the late 18th century and in case of balanced rudder or fenestrated that China invented in the ancient times but Europe didn’t use them until the late 19th century. Also the two important weaving machines such as spinning jenny, flying shuttle of British textile industry during the Industrial Revolution were based on preexisting Chinese weaving machines. China still made better porcelain and silk fabric and of course China was still ahead of Europe in agricultural technology by the 1750s.

    • Thanks: RichardDuck
  260. Smith says:
    @littlereddot

    I have said this again, and again, but the Ming fleet is literally too slow to colonize and invade anywhere. Ship traveling isn’t about weight, it’s about speed, Colombus’s smaller but faster ship allowed him to cross the blue ocean back and forth easily and set up outpost.

    The Ming at the times had constant warfare from the mongols and manchu to the north, the japs to the east, and tried to annex Vietnam but got beaten out, how could such a force conquer the world?

    This “we coulda conquer the world but we didn’t” is 100% chinese false narrative. You didn’t because you couldn’t.

    Koxingar’s pirates were able to colonize Taiwan though, which proves that the chinese do colonize, if they can.

    • Disagree: Rdm
    • Troll: d dan
    • Replies: @Pinkcel Detector
  261. Lin says:
    @RJ Macready

    did you also used to post on the Robert lindsay blog?

    Yes.
    Nations have their ups and downs.
    China had experienced a century of defeat and humiliation from 1840 because the elite back then didn’t strive forward.
    China has made great advances recently ironically mainly because of the geopolitical Darwinist hostility from the yanks.

    I am from India (3rd world hellhole)

    Actually India has great agricultural potential and has more water, arable land, warmer than china but produces only half as much grain. Agriculturally, the country both China and India should emulate is Holland–a densely populated country but also a major NET food exporter.
    Holland also sits at the top of the global electronics supply chain.
    ……….
    I’m thinking of posting a write up on my impression regarding India at Robert lindsay blog.
    There’re 2 major narratives regarding the problems of India:
    —” It’s complicate” — Look, they’ve 16 official languages and serious class/race/caste/religious conflicts—-Its quite widely ”known”.
    —” It’s simple”— Yes, India is an ancient civilisation but India as an independent and bigger entity with a central government is a juvenile and often an emotional one—it’s not widely”known”.
    The last time India(at least the northern part) was unified happened during the reign of King Asoka, a 3th century BC monarch.
    India IMO has taken the wrong path, not ”ídeologically”. But rather they must plan ahead and on firm footing of reality and cut down on demagoguery—what I call civilizational engineering

  262. Lin says:
    @Malla

    Thank you for the links
    The funny thing is that I recently found out I probably have a late 19th/early 20th century south Asian ancestor–the grand father of my fraternal grandmother.
    Chini Hindi Bhai Bhai

    • Replies: @Malla
  263. https://rushlimbaughjrjr.blogspot.com/2021/07/biden-tot-von-hals-bis-jetzt-und-macht.html

    China is as Bad as socialism GHets and the wuhan lab Chinavirus was Deliberate

  264. Malla says:
    @Lin

    Chini Hindi Bhai Bhai. Wow Interesting information, Bhai. Are you from Hongkong or Macau or Singapore?

  265. Dutch says:
    @Franz

    Of course. Fred says it fecetiously but it’s true “the Chinese can’t innovate”. They should have never been in the race. In the 70’s they were 100 years from developing ICs and the kind of tech they pump out now. But no matter how superior our abilities were/are, by walking China to a point 2 feet from the finish line then walking back to the starting blocks ourselves, we lost a race we should have won by a massive margin. A race we were winning by a massive margin. The fact that 100,000 slaves working 20 hour shifts without food or sleep developed a slightly faster quantum computer than ours (developed by 40 people working 8 hour shifts with an hour lunch break) does not make them superior at anything. And perhaps China’s most fatal flaw is hubristically believing that it does. They were so poor and despondent that we spotted them 29 points in a game to 30. So yeah it’s a close game for now. And you have the morally bankrupt, anti-capitalist concept of ‘free trade’ to thank. Free trade was never about balancing deficits or preserving our place in the global marketplace it, or any of that nonsense. It was always about helping profit driven companies defy their corporate charters and abandon their workers and their home to exploit foreign labor. And we gave China 200 years of progress overnight. I’m saddened that anyone would suggest they did any of it on their own. Especially poor Chinese people who don’t grasp that their amazing modern country is just a dressed up work camp. We invented 5G in the 50s. It’s microwaves, nothing more. We invented quantum computing, tunneling machines, nuclear ractors, space stations, submarines, etc etc. The fact that China leveraged their entire economy and a billion and a half lives to be one step ahead of us, FOR NOW, in a race where we spotted them 50 steps, is hardly some grand success story or new future paradigm. No surprise that the new communist rhetoric in all the schools now is “keep giving everything away to the least capable”. BTW the Chinese didn’t invent that either, Marx did, but they’ve used it as adequately as any other communist country has. But when we stop believing it and doing it Chinas unprecedented rise will come to an unceremonious end. When IBMs Watson beat two Jeopardy champions it seemed like a profound moment in history. ‘AI’, woo-woo. Then we found out that Watson had like 60cpu cores, the entire internet loaded into it’s memory, and a faster signaling actuator than the other 2 contestants. So it wasnt Ai at all. It was just a basic search engine that was cheating. And it still wasn’t a runaway victory. Chinas momentary ‘superiotiry’ is exactly this same illusion.

  266. Josh Kenn says:
    @littlereddot

    Why I bring this up is that every time I read a Westerner comment that “oh when China becomes the big guy, she will conquer the world and make you her slave”, I sigh. There seems to be this automatic assumption that Rise of China = New Chinese Empire.

    I have been making this argument for years. China has had many opportunities for world conquest in her history, but has never done so. There is no reason to think that will change. There are a lot of them, but there is still a lot of empty land in China. Even world conquest just delays population problems, so it is ridiculous to face the risks of empire when you don’t even know if it will be worth it long term. Empires always die. China as a nation has been going a very long time (though some would argue that it was always an ethnic battle there).

  267. Jokem says:
    @Franz

    ‘Mostly we don’t, because since the Adam Smith necktie nongs from the Reagan years on, we can’t grasp that Free Trade was a scam that destroyed everything else. ‘

    No it isn’t, Free Trade is a symptom of overregulation and oppressive taxes. This raises the cost of doing business in the USA, so corporations seek to go elsewhere to remain competitive.

    • Replies: @Franz
  268. Jokem says:
    @Josh Kenn

    Red China does not seek to export its ideas to the extent the Soviet Union did, but it still does.
    It is not yet powerful enough to do it and the rest of the world would not stand for it.
    Give it time, once the West legislates itself into oblivion, there will be nothing to stop it.

    • Replies: @littlereddot
  269. @tamo

    Good to see a Needham reference. I have that magnificent work and have carted it around the world since 1973. Many, many hours of fascinating reading.

    • Thanks: tamo
  270. Getaclue says:
    @InnerCynic

    Already done. The Frontline Doctors Lawsuit lays it all out. It might already be in your arm actually!:

    https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/developing-45k-dead-from-shots/

    • Replies: @InnerCynic
  271. Getaclue says:
    @Josh Kenn

    You need to read up some on what various Chinese Generals have said as to what China plans long term. Have you ever?

    https://nypost.com/2015/02/08/chinas-secret-plan-to-topple-the-us-as-the-worlds-superpower/

    https://jrnyquist.blog/2019/09/11/the-secret-speech-of-general-chi-haotian/

    I could go on and on….There are many, many sources as to this and all of them point to the Chinese military planning to eviscerate the USA by various game plans (some of which are unfolding now) — the spreading of the CVirus by flying people out after they knew it had left the Lab (by accident or whatever) was an act of war…seems Fauci and part of the US Military NWO types helped them and are helping them…traitors have always been a great way to defeat an enemy, the USA in high places, the Mainslime Media, has basically nothing but these, Bolsheviks inserted everywhere….

  272. Smith says:

    I am called a troll for NOT believing the Ming fleet could conquer the world.

    This is the extent of craziness of chinese nationalist/sycophants.

  273. @Getaclue

    You are such a naive belieber that you have to dig into your ass to believe in the Chinese-run Epoch Times. LMFAO you quoted a blog that takes the entire source from the Chinese-run Epoch Times which is some stupid nutty cult that believes in Justin Bieber coming from the sky.

    So now you believe everything that some nutty Chinese say? You might as well believe everything that everyone says.

    You might as well become a belieber and go to Justin Bieber for news of international politics.

  274. @Getaclue

    Racist imbecile. The New York Post as a source!!?? The Chinese intend to rise peacefully, and all their military plans are defensive, unlike the Yankee Reich, the most aggressive and genocidal and cowardly force for Evil in all history. What Yankee Doodle dumkopfs like you do is called psychological projection. Stick to murdering children with sanctions, as in Iraq-its your strong suit.

    • Replies: @Grahamsno(G64)
  275. @Dutch

    Is there anything more pathetic and detestable at the same time than a Yankee racist who thinks that the USA is ‘Number One’, and the Chinese are some form of inferior species? This is the pre-genocidal mindset, driven by rage at being so comprehensively outdone by ‘mere Asiatics’, that is so prevalent among the very bottom layer of the human detritus that is the USA. How’s that falling life expectancy going, bozo?

    • Agree: tamo
    • Replies: @littlereddot
  276. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    wikipedia on sensitive political questions is a fucking lie: JFK, MLK, RFK, moon hoax, 911 and the like. It always supports the official version without any critical point of view. If it is not fascist, it is completely orwellian. Thruth is lie, lie is truth. Peace is war, war is peace.

  277. @Getaclue

    Sooo… you still do not understand that “secret plans” are nothing more than propaganda written by the enemy of China?

    Too bad, you have no clue.

  278. Hey Fred,
    What do you think the world will be eating in Spring 2022?
    15 nations produce 92% of the world’s wheat. They are all phaving problems and harvests will be record lows.
    Also, due to drought, fodder for animals is scarce and costly and soon feed will be as well – see above. Many ranchers have sent in their steers ar low prices.
    All in all, we are facing a massive famine. Not just Africa, but the whole world.
    No one can predict precise numbers, but odds are the whole planet is heading towards a major, orchestrated genocide that will claim billions of liv
    China will not escape this. No one will be unaffected over the next 2-5years.

    America, and the world as we knew it, is over.

  279. denk says:
    @anon

    May be Im naive, but me think Technology is evul

    Dont blame the tools, its the user

    With U.S. robotic advancements, all I see is destruction, killing and a supreme hatred of life. Call me naive — please — but I gladly choose the reverence for life displayed by Japan’s robotics industry over what its U.S. counterpart shows.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20090409102238/http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/rc20090405a8.html

  280. @ruralguy

    Japanese are being invited in. It’s only “Nazis” that our elites continue to obsess about. Those Stukas will be coming over any day now to bomb New York n Holocaust museums, sent by Dr Evil Herr Putin.

  281. @ruralguy

    I guess Biden will next send aircraft carriers up the Mississippi to bomb Alabama. At least our military will finally have something to do… Given that protecting the southern border from invasion is off the table.

  282. Malla says:
    @littlereddot

    This is a mistaken understanding of history.
    First, in pre Industrial Revolution days (I mean the major one in England, there have been similar mini revolutions including in China), agriculture was what mattered the most for wealth. So if you were lucky as a tribe to get some great farming real estate, your civilization was rich, well atleast the elites in your civilization. But even as a Commoner, being part of such a civilization is advantageous as your massive food producing civilization could support philosophers, scholars etc whose innovations could benefit society. This explains why many ancient civilizations started near rivers like the Indus valley civilization, the Nile etc… China was already excellent agriculture land, so in a pre-Industrial era, all the elite ruling China had to do was keep this real estate safe from outsiders. Up north were “barbarians” mostly pastoralists who lived in lands less suitable for concentrated agriculture but a high protein diet and less settled life made them tough. So they would come down to get the wealth of China or become its ruling elites. India faced the same problem, India was invaded many times by Central Asians in the past.
    Secondly the Chinese Confucianist system was not for spread in the World in the same way as Islam, Christianity, liberal ideas etc… It was comparatively local at most used to spread in areas of North East Asia among people of same racial stock more or less. And many kingdoms joined Han culture via a petition, they themselves wanted to join this excellent Han culture and (arrogant Han people). Outside China proper were tributary states and all the Chinese wanted form them was RECOGNITION and RESPECT.

    • Agree: tamo
    • Replies: @InnerCynic
  283. Malla says:
    @littlereddot

    Compared to that Europe’s case was different. Not only were there globalist ideologies like Christianity. White Man’s burden, liberalism, Enlightenment, Marxism etc…, to spread to all mankind, Europe was also mostly divided and constantly competing and fighting. This competition actually helped advance military techniques and other technologies. At the same time they wanted to break the monopoly of Muslims + Venetians in luxury goods trade in between the Indies (Indian subcontinent and South East Asia) as well as North East Asia and Europe to sell to European elites mostly (except maybe saltpeter for military purpose). The Portuguese and Spaniards just out of Moorish domination were the first to get in this fray. Add to that the conquest of Constantinople by the Turks who increased duties or at times stopped the trade. The idea that the great trading city of Constantinople falling to rival Muslims was also a trigger for seeking direct routes to the East. At the same time Russians on the Eastern most frontier of Europe due to its constant fear of Steppe armies from the East as well eventually a desire to find good ports started expanding East and South. Russia is a vast land with great potential but it does not have good all weather ports for trade. The North sea trial to the Atlantic Ocean has many potential rival powers like Sweden, Denmark, Netherlands, France and most of all gatekeeper, Britain.
    Anyways this Spaniard-Portuguese expansion and internal European dynamics (Dutch independence from Spain, English defeat of Spanish Armada), means other European powers got into the fray to trade directly with the East. Cutting out the Muslim middle men means they could sell the goods for cheap and make more profits, using superior European naval skills. Later they started trading with everybody, sold Chinese goods to Africans for slaves, bought fur from Native Americans etc… Basically Europeans on the Western edges (Portuguese, Spanish, French, Dutch, British, Danes, Swedes etc… ) were exploring via sea and Europeans in the Eastern most edge (Russians) were exploring and expanding by land.
    It was this competition in between European powers which led to colonialism to a great extent. Every trading company was afraid that the other European trading company would kick it out of some territory and gain monopoly powers. It was competition in between the Dutch and the English in Java which led to the Dutch conquest of Dutch East Indies/ Indonesia, that region was prime spice real estate anyways. Competition in between the French and English led to the English conquest of Bengal in India. Further fears of the French taking a foothold in India by allying with other Indian powers drove British conquests of the rest of India. The English were just afraid that the French would just kick them out of India and monopolize the trade for themselves. Later fears of the expanding Russian Empire in the North of India triggered British interference in Afghanistan as a buffer state, “the Great Game”. Russian expansion (seeking good ports) as well as other European expansion in North East Asia, triggered Japanese colonialism in self defense. Competition, fears and insecurities triggered a lot of imperial conquests. After the Franco-Prussian war defeat the defeated France to assuage its hurt ego, started expansion in Africa which triggered fears in other European powers and hence the “Scramble for Africa”.
    In most cases these colonies were not that great source of wealth in the bigger scheme of things, but it gave great power and prestige when European (incl Russia and later America and Japan) powers faced each other especially in case of some economic or military confrontation. As industrialization came, competition for trade gave way to competition for CONTROL, of resources and markets. By controlling India, London gained leverage when dealing with Paris, Berlin, Amsterdam, Moscow, Washington etc…. in case of an economic or military confrontation. By controlling Indonesia, Amsterdam got similar leverage with other powers. By controlling Korea, Tokyo got more leverage when facing London, Moscow or Washington. CONTROL of markets, resources or strategic locations which could be cut off to rivals in case of confrontations.
    Just like in the Cold War, where the USA and USSR built loads of weapons and nukes which were never used, but for prestige competition, similarly there was prestige competition among nationalist Colonial powers. Eventually with Industrialization these colonial markets and trade with them was of less importance, they were let downs asm markets in general, as the populations there were poor, most industrialized nations traded with each other, but the control of resources and strategic locations which could be cut off to rivals was of prime importance.
    Add to that the White Man’s burden to modernise (and thus improve conditions of) the entire human race and a moral competition even in this field in between powers.

    To cut it in short, the historical dynamics of China and that of European powers were very different. If Europe would have been one giant entity including Russia as well as Britain, there might have not been colonialism as we have seen as there would be no competition.

    • Disagree: d dan, Badger Down
    • Replies: @RichardDuck
  284. @Josh Kenn

    The main arguments against empire building in China by their experts is USA or British style “empires always die”.

    They aren’t saints. They are extreme pragmatists. The way they run the country is actually through scientific method. Endless trials till they find what works.

    The Chinese took one look at the dying American empire and the dead British empire, They would never try it. They actually want China to last. And with nukes, they never have to worry about barbarian invasions again.

    IMO, the only danger they will face are advance aliens invading. They don’t see USA as competition at all. They only needed to build 100+ ICBM silos in the desert to stop retarded American war chickens fantasizing about a nuclear war.

    • Agree: littlereddot
    • Replies: @Grahamsno(G64)
  285. @Smith

    You are as stupid as always, but your English has improved a ton. Almost like a different person. Congrats on improving your English proficiency.

    • Replies: @Smith
  286. @A.K.Patal

    You are correct. For at least 50 years the US has a huge (((leadership))) issue. But “White” is a matter of opinion.

    • Replies: @Boomthorkell
  287. @Inselaffen

    Only Marxists define Fascism as a state run by banks n corporations. True Fascism is a workers state run by a single political party headed by a dictator for life, usually emphasizing ethnic homogeneity n a strong military. Hitler’s Germany, for example, severely curtailed the power of the banks n prohibited usury n concluded barter agreements with South America, taking this trade away from the US. This is why FDR wanted Germany crushed in s war, n pushed Britain to declare war on Hitler, which Britain did knowing the US would back it up.

    The US is not remotely fascist. But China fits it to s T.

  288. @smith

    This “we coulda conquer the world but we didn’t” is 100% chinese false narrative. You didn’t because you couldn’t.

    They certainly could have conquered a few petty kingdoms. If Vietnam could have overrun Champa, China could have done so easily.

    But whether it could or could not is beside the point. CHINA DID NOT EVEN TRY.
    Because China was much more interested in FANNING ITS OWN EGO, than for territorial enlargement.

    I don’t know why VN plays such a victim over China. It itself was an Empire. Perhaps we should be crying for “Freedom for Champa”or “Freedom for the Montagnards”?

    In other matters, you seem quite fair minded. But in terms of China, no at all. If you can get over your VN butthurt, and nationalist propaganda/programming, you could at least be a little rational where China is concerned.

    • Agree: showmethereal
  289. @Jokem

    That is true. When China becomes the biggest kid on the block, who knows what it will do. But if you are familiar with the Chinese psyche, it will probably take the form of a cultural pride and even hubris. But I doubt it will convert to territorial expansion or even proselytizing.

    The Chinese do not have a messianic or proselytizing streak. They may be arrogant about their own cultural achievements, but they do not seek to impose it on anyone.

    For a hint of this, look into how China related to foreign states during the height of its power. They almost never conquered. Yes, they sometimes intervened in wars when called upon by a vassal. But they never stayed permanently. Again Tibet, Xinjiang, SCS etc need separate discussion to do it justice.

    Notice I make no mention of the current Communist government. In my humble opinion, it is only a passing phase. China is showing signs of inching back to its traditional values and even embracing Confucianism again. I could be wrong on this tho, time will tell. But if you have a hundred bucks to wager that she will have cast off her Communist phase in another century, I will take it.

    • Agree: Olivier1973, tamo
  290. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Yankee racist who thinks that the USA is ‘Number One’, and the Chinese are some form of inferior species?

    So very true.

    It is a little ironic I think, that the same thing that brought down the Chinese and set up conditions for their century of humilation, is at work strongly in the USA. That is hubris and stubbornness. The Qing Emperors refused to heed a rising West and derided them. The exact same thing is happening in the USA.

    Its a very curious thing. They say history may not repeat, but is sure does rhyme. LOL.

    • Agree: showmethereal
    • Replies: @John H
  291. Smith says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    How is that stupid?

    Do you seriously believe Zheng He’s treasure fleet could conquer the world?

  292. Franz says:
    @Jokem

    No it isn’t, Free Trade is a symptom of overregulation and oppressive taxes. This raises the cost of doing business in the USA, so corporations seek to go elsewhere to remain competitive.

    That’s strictly globo-propaganda at it’s laziest.

    The USA had meager regulations concerning pollution and hazardous materials to begin with; the corporations ignored them, then pretended the costs were onerous. How is it Hitler could force pollution controls in the 1930s and turn a profit while the USA could not from the 1980s on? Because they lied. It was an excuse to send work out and keep the patents and managers at home raking in billions while workers went to lesser jobs or no work at all.

    Corporations in the West are the biggest crybabies and welfare queens in the world. Their propaganda makes the government seem ALMOST honest… except the government works for them. They are lice.

    • Replies: @Jokem
  293. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Racist imbecile. The New York Post as a source!!?? The Chinese intend to rise peacefully, and all their military plans are defensive, unlike the Yankee Reich, the most aggressive and genocidal and cowardly force for Evil in all history. What Yankee Doodle dumkopfs like you do is called psychological projection. Stick to murdering children with sanctions, as in Iraq-its your strong suit.

    LOL Chinaman Chimpout, that’s all you guys bring to the board endless Chinese Chimpouts when faced with criticism, it’s like you people culturally never evolved to the point that you can handle criticism which is something mature adults can. For all your alleged 105 average IQ you guys behave like a bunch of stupid children with severe behavioural problems.

    Grow the fuck up this is a free speech board I know that’s something alien to a hive mind, you can always go to Weibo or whatever safe space your types like congregate in circle jerking off to sublime China.

  294. @Astuteobservor II

    The way they run the country is actually through scientific method.

    I agree the great leap forward was a scientific experiment in massive food deprivation to tens of millions of people and these great ‘scientists’ proved to the world that it kills people that mass starvation leads to mass death.

    What would the world do without such outstanding ‘research.’

    • Replies: @denk
    , @Astuteobservor II
  295. Smith says:
    @littlereddot

    They certainly could have conquered a few petty kingdoms. If Vietnam could have overrun Champa, China could have done so easily.

    They actually did, look at what happened to West Xia, Dali and other kingdoms conquered by the Mongol/Yuan and then incorporated by the Ming. Chinese grew larger due to conquest, not by diplomacy, now who remember the Tangut? But seaside expansion by Zheng He’s fleet? Nope, pure fantasy.

    This is why my favorite Chinese period is the Song dynasty, because of the diversities of nations, it’s like a mini-Europe.

    Vietnam plays victim just as China plays victim or everyone else really, even the whites are playing victim, victimization is good right now, everyone wants to act like a baby.

    I don’t think Vietnam whines about colonization all that much.

    • Replies: @Olivier1973
    , @littlereddot
  296. @Smith

    I don’t think Vietnam whines about colonization all that much.

    What you think has strictly no importance.

    The ones who are whining the most are the yankees, no doubt. They are about to lose their hegemony.

    Don’t do to others what you don’t want to be done on you.

    Here some commentators think that the Chinese will behave like the imperialist yankees. If only! To teach them a lesson.

    They do not understand the Chinese mentality at all. Steve Pieczenik explained in his last speech how stupid the yankees are. From 3’40”.

    • Replies: @Smith
    , @Showmethereal
  297. Smith says:
    @Olivier1973

    Again, I don’t care about the whining of either sides (or all sides), it gets old.

    No one ever gets anything by whining.

    I’m just here to correct historical inaccuracy.

  298. If he could get on time machine & go back to 1600, Fred would probably put his bets on China and India.

  299. @Grahamsno(G64)

    USA mentally masturbated for 20 years and came up empty. Lots of wrist action and an empty condum. Too bad Congress and Senate and CIA and FBI urinated 4 Trillion big Smackers for diddle all . USA has never won any war for the past 60 years but now knows it can take on Russia–China –and Iran and win hands down. Joe Biden is a twit and Trump is a Twerp –better get on board with Hunter -a man who knows no adversity.

  300. John H says:
    @littlereddot

    “…the same thing that”….just one? History is easy to understand if there’s only one factor at work.

    I await the arrival of foreign militaries of multiple countries in the US port cities. Perhaps then we can see some analogous conditions.

    • Replies: @frankie p
  301. John H says:
    @littlereddot

    Your inability to see the continuity of the principles of governance of the ideal state, as codified in established texts, in today’s China renders (“Communist”, you see) is a lacuna that you might ponder. With a little more knowledge, you might realize that most great philosophies consider all historical moments as “passing”. And yet admit the permanence of something.

  302. @Dimoklitos

    Sure – you’re right. Morale & money are BOTH vital. The Taliban & Nth Viet’s & the Confederate States also suggest the importance of the HEART in war.

  303. @Dutch

    @Dutch said: They should have never been in the race. In the 70’s they were 100 years from developing ICs and the kind of tech they pump out now.

    LOL laughing so hard at what you wrote. Why are you coping so hard that you tried to rewrite history with your loser mental gymnastics? The IC was literally invented by Asians.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOSFET_applications#MOS_integrated_circuit

    The MOSFET is the most widely used type of transistor and the most critical device component in integrated circuit (IC) chips.

    to invent the MOSFET with Dawon Kahng at Bell Labs

    @Dutch said: leveraged their entire economy and a billion and a half lives to be one step ahead of us, FOR NOW, in a race where we spotted them 50 steps, is hardly some grand success story or new future paradigm

    LOL you talking bad about multi-billionaire Andrew Carnegie being a failure? Keep on raging with your loser mental gymnastics because you know you are a loser pinkcel with no achievements and you need to cope by being a racist subhuman scum. Everyone is laughing at you.

  304. Sam J. says:
    @Anon

    “…Backwards manufacturing economies do not make money, financial economies do…”

    And the way economies become financial economies is…manufacturing. They become financial when the bankers loot the surplus build by the manufacturers.

  305. @Smith

    @Smith said:
    I have said this again, and again

    allowed him to cross the blue ocean back and forth easily and set up outpost

    Yes it is not about weight and it is also not about speed. It is all about blankets. Smallpox blankets from sweet little Columbus.

    LOL laughing so hard at what you wrote. Why are you coping so hard that you tried to rewrite history with your loser mental gymnastics?

    @Smith said: tried to annex Vietnam but got beaten out

    LOL laughing so hard at what you wrote. Why are you coping so hard that you tried to rewrite history with your loser mental gymnastics?

    You mean the loser pinkcels who tried for twenty years to use modern technology to invade a low-tech Vietnam in 1970 and then ran away cowardly while abandoning its own people?

    https://www.unz.com/article/u-s-p-o-w-s-abandoned-in-nam/

    Vietnam is literally two words from you guess where? They are all descendants of you guess where?

    The Ming emperor won against the Yuan emperor to create the new dynasty. The Yuan emperor, before the Ming emperor, conquered most of Asia, more than any Alexander the Great Weakling who croaked at 33 years old.

    Keep on raging with your loser mental gymnastics because you know you are a loser pinkcel with no achievements and you need to cope by being a racist subhuman scum. Everyone is laughing at you.

    • Replies: @Grahamsno(G64)
    , @Smith
  306. fnn says:
    @Hacienda

    The Jews aren’t leading, they are surfing. Anglos are simply too vain to do anything.

    Anglo-Saxons are so “vain” they gave up their collective identity. Unlike Jews, there are no longer any specifically Anglo-Saxon institutions in the US. At least none of that are not minor and of little consequence. A world of difference between 1960 and today.

  307. @Smith

    I thought that was an obvious answer. If Vietnam did not understand China, how could Vietnam resist the cultural assimilation and keep saying “No”?

    So, Vietnam did learn from China, as this is what you said earlier:

    But those who do understand China, learn from China.

    That is what makes Vietnam a smaller version of China and the Vietnamese smaller versions of the Chinese– from intellectual ability to chauvinistic attitude; from body size to penis size!!!

    Meanwhile, mandarin is a combination of chinese and khitdan language, which is why it’s different compared to cantonese and the older chinese dialects.

    Mandarin and Cantonese are 2 of the tens (maybe even more than 100) dialects of the spoken part of the Chinese language. They all sound very different (that is why they are different dialects). Mandarin might indeed incorporate certain aspects of the “khitdan language” (I am no linguist but incorporating non-Han, non-Chinese, elements is a very normal practice in Chinese culture. Think Buddhism.) But to say that that “is why it’s different compared to cantonese and the oyher chinese dialects” is simply stupid because they all sound different even without the incorporation of YOUR “khitdan language”!!! Can you brain work logically?

    And no, while the viet character changes (before we used chinese characters), the language is the same.

    The written part of any language should the more central, and more stable (but still mutable), component compared with the spoken component. HOW can “the [viet] language be the same” if there are “character changes”??!! Doesn’t changing from writing in “Chinese characters” to another form of writing it MAKE it DIFFERENT already– since, according to you, merely changing in pronunciation makes a language different???!!! Can you brain think logically at all???

    AND, since, according to YOU, the viet language is sooooo superior to the Chinese one, why did the viets write with Chinese characters, which was/is not only non-viet but CHINESE, IN THE FIRST PLACE???!!! How does THAT support your senses of arrogance and superiority towards the Chinese? Are the viets insane all along– for thousands of years???!!!

    You prove to me that the viets are even more delusional than many Indian net-warriors I have met on the web!!!

    • Thanks: Showmethereal
    • Replies: @Pinkcel Detector
    , @Smith
  308. @Smith

    Are you really that obtuse? China did not conquer those territories. China picked up after their combined rulers collapsed. You are really are like every Vietnamese I have ever met. Tenacious to a fault. It doesn’t matter what is right or wrong, it is just fight until you win.

    You know what, it is useless for us to argue anymore. I wish you well, really I do. Let us agree to just ignore each other, OK?

    Bye bye my darling.

    • Replies: @Smith
  309. johnm33 says:

    Looks like Confucianist/Socialism is benthamite in principle, non doctrinare with a constant re-appraisal of goals. How long can it last?
    Thanks Fred, and all.

  310. denk says:
    @USA invades Israel

    In a way, we can’t blame the Chinese for theft.

    They consider counterfeiting a high art form, not a crime. It’s cultural.

    ——-
    Reading such comments, we shoudnt be surprised why do gringos keep churning out assholes like Pompass and elected 45 war criminals as potus
    ….its a cultural thingee, its in the gene.

    [MORE]

    LIke they say,
    its a feature, not a bug
    ========

    With Israel, the “country” (a territory really) created by gangsters as an international base from which to operate, anything goes

    ———
    Thats no way to treat your pardner kiddo,

    Anyway, coming from the grand daddy of all mafiaso, that sounds a bit rich innit ?

    Gen Smedley Butler…

    I feel that I could have given Al Capone a few hints.

    The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.

    uncle sham,
    A mafiaso born and bred,
    Been that way since 1785

    Every single one of the 51 potus has been nuthin more than glorified mafia boss.
    Every potus/soo/sos has been bare faced serial lying pos….
    sobs even wear it like a badge of honor..

    Pompass

    We lie, we cheat, we kill/
    Thats whats great of murikka

    Murkkan buddies list reads like the who’s who of international crime syndicate , head quartered in Washington /dc

    Ergo…

    gringo on ‘gangsterism’

    = Classic Bandits crying out robbery

    • Replies: @USA invades Israel
  311. @Grahamsno(G64)

    LOL laughing so hard at what you wrote, you weak little Grahamsno. Why do you loser pinkcels try to cope so hard on an Internet comments section? Everyone knows that you are getting multiple Darwin Awards and your genes will not be passed on.

    Keep on raging with your loser mental gymnastics because you know you are a loser pinkcel with no achievements and you need to cope by being a racist subhuman scum. Everyone is laughing at you.

  312. denk says:
    @Grahamsno(G64)

    What would the world do without such outstanding ‘research.’

    Whatever the Chinese allegedly did decades ago is none of your biz, or mine,.
    They made their call, they bear their own consequence.

    What I wanna know is…
    When can the world be rid of this plague, which’ve killed 30M and displaced another 37M worldwide in the last seventy years alone. ?

    https://web.archive.org/web/20160923090320/http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29666.htm

    • Replies: @Grahamsno(G64)
  313. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Do you have a contact method? Email? PGP key?

  314. @littlereddot

    Do you have a contact method? Email? PGP key?

  315. @Getaclue

    Not in my arm thank you very much. All of these Mengele wanna-bes can FOAD as far as I’m concerned. Its hard enough just living day to day without these ratbags eager to shuttle me off this mortal coil

  316. @Malla

    What I’ve noticed about anyone who wants/demands recognition and respect is that they themselves don’t recognize or respect others. Call it cultural narcissism if you will. Its all a one way street with people of that ilk.

    • Replies: @Malla
  317. @Pinkcel Detector

    Another poo flinging Chinese beserker chimpout. They get into raging, frothing in the mouth epileptic fits of anger at the slightest criticism – Smith claimed that Zheng’s fleet couldn’t have colonized anything for reasons he gave, you could have disputed it with your reasons but no being the typical thinskinned Chinese that you are you have a psychotic meltdown because of your cultural inability to handle criticism a lot like Muslims chimping out when you criticize their religion.

    Imagine losing your shit over an interpretation of Admiral Zheng’s voyage 6 centuries back. It’s surreal but not unexpected with you guys, the Asia Times comment sections were trashed by your crowd so much that they shut it down.

    You mean the loser pinkcels who tried for twenty years to use modern technology to invade a low-tech Vietnam in 1970 and then ran away cowardly while abandoning its own people?

    Smith’s of Vietnamese origin and has been posting here for a long time and unlike you he’s not an uncultured lout.

    LOL laughing so hard at what you wrote. Why are you coping so hard that you tried to rewrite history with your loser mental gymnastics?

    Smith knows his history very well maybe when you get a grip on yourself you could have a civilized argument with him.

    About that picture you posted it falls flat on its face since you thought Smith was White.

    UNZ’s a great and unique site full of deeply knowledgeable commenters and intelligent controversial articles, try reading more before making a fool of yourself mr. two comment history poster. We practice freedom of speech here, try it, it’s exhilarating

  318. @Deep Thought

    How do you know whether the delusional @Smith is Pinkcel, Vietnamese or Indian?

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
  319. @Tom Welsh

    Sing it brother. There is a lot to ignore at unz.com (too much alt-right lunacy and Trump worship by half), but Fred is must read every time.

  320. @American Citizen

    i disagree china was surprised by our swift demise…china, like most old cultures, has experienced the cycles of prosperity, dominance & famine. china with hindsight has patience, she waited, kept her eyes on the goal & allowed the inevitable collapse to happen. race, while important in china, culture, an agreed sense of who we are, shared goals, & the desire to arrive @ them is of utmost importance; to china/russia/syria/iran. encouraging systems that promote excellence, innovation, knowledge lead to those shared goals. we in the west have allowed ourselves to be fooled into denigrating all the attributes & gifts that brought us success. we shall when our cultural revolution has run its course begin to appreciate what we created, how, & what we have lost. personally, i feel it began with allowing ourselves to be deceived into forfeiting our gods & faith, after that bankruptcy in all other things is foregone.

  321. @Grahamsno(G64)

    You little loser pinkcel raging again. I have Native American ancestry. Why do you loser pinkcels fail to understand English and history?

    Yes it is not about weight and it is also not about speed. It is all about blankets. Smallpox blankets from sweet little Columbus.

    https://www.history.com/news/colonists-native-americans-smallpox-blankets

    [MORE]

    Colonial weaponizing of smallpox against Native Americans was first reported by 19th-century historian Francis Parkman, who came across correspondence in which Sir Jeffery Amherst, commander in chief of the British forces in North America in the early 1760s, had discussed its use with Col. Henry Bouquet, a subordinate on the western frontier during the French and Indian War.

    What Amherst and Bouquet didn’t know was that somebody at Fort Pitt had already thought of trying to infect the Native Americans with smallpox—and had attempted to do it.

    William Trent, a trader, land speculator and militia captain, wrote in his diary that on June 23, two Delaware emissaries had visited the fort, and asked to hold talks the next day. At that meeting, after the Native American diplomats had tried unsuccessfully to persuade the British to abandon Fort Pitt, they asked for provisions and liquor for their return. The British complied, and also gave them gifts—two blankets and a handkerchief which had come from the smallpox ward. “I hope it will have the desired effect,” Trent wrote.

    You mean the loser pinkcels who tried for twenty years to use modern technology to invade a low-tech Vietnam in 1970 and then ran away cowardly while abandoning its own people?

    It’s surreal but not unexpected with you guys. You get into raging, frothing in the mouth epileptic fits of anger at the slightest criticism – you could have disputed it with your reasons but no being the typical thinskinned Loser Pinkcel that you are you have a psychotic meltdown because of your cultural inability to handle criticism a lot like an uncivilized barbarian.

    We know our history very well maybe when you get a grip on yourself you could have a civilized argument.

    Loser pinkcels, such as you, need to get psychiatric help before you start victimizing innocent animals. It seems to be in your culture among you and your ilk. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2352779/Bestiality-brothels-spreading-Germany-campaigner-claims-abusers-sex-animals-lifestyle-choice.html

    • Replies: @Grahamsno(G64)
  322. @Grahamsno(G64)

    You mean the loser pinkcels who tried for twenty years to use modern technology to invade a low-tech Vietnam in 1970 and then ran away cowardly while abandoning its own people?

    maybe when you get a grip on yourself you could have a civilized argument

    It’s surreal but not unexpected with you guys. You get into raging, frothing in the mouth epileptic fits of anger at the slightest criticism – you could have disputed it with your reasons but no being the typical thinskinned Loser Pinkcel that you are you have a psychotic meltdown because of your cultural inability to handle criticism a lot like an uncivilized barbarian. We know our history very well maybe when you get a grip on yourself you could have a civilized argument.

    Loser pinkcels, such as you, need to get psychiatric help before you start victimizing innocent animals. It seems to be in your culture among you and your ilk. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2352779/Bestiality-brothels-spreading-Germany-campaigner-claims-abusers-sex-animals-lifestyle-choice.html

  323. denk says:
    @GayDad69

    Why should we play fair with an economic rival?

    If this is your idea of playing fair…

    Terrorism, [1]

    Bio warfare [2]

    gawd help us when gringo start getting nasty ! [3]

    [1]
    https://www.unz.com/pescobar/new-great-game-gets-back-to-basics/#comment-4790300

    [2]
    Ebola
    https://www.wnd.com/2014/10/militarys-ebola-mission-to-edge-out-china-in-africa/

    SARS
    http://www.fromthewilderness.net/free/ww3/050903_SARS.html

    and the biggie…..SARS2 aka covid !

    [3]
    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-covid-epidemic-as-lab-leak-or-biowarfare/

  324. @Pinkcel Detector

    He is an ethnic Vietnamese. In my first reply to his post, I wrongly assumed that he was a white.

  325. @denk

    You’re Chinese and that’s ok. It’s nothing personal.

    https://www.bikebiz.com/fake-china-where-copyright-means-copy-it-right/

    You’ll have to argue with many a historian and author who counter what you believe about your middle kingdom.

    I have observed chinese behavior for many years. As individuals, they can be treated on a case by case basis. It is the presence of a large concentrated collective group of chinese outside of China which should be of great concern to any country which hosts them.

  326. Malla says:
    @littlereddot

    Conquering Vietnam was not always easy, the Yuan/Mongols failed in Vietnam. There was a third invasion fleet prepared for Japan after the earlier two failed invasions but it was sent to Vietnam instead where the Vietnamese defeated the fleet.

  327. Malla says:
    @InnerCynic

    Agreed. Well the original Han people mentality spread to all the Chinese later on. The earliest original Han folks looked down upon their neighbours (who themselves would later join the Han) calling them terms like “insect people”. However the Chinese did respect India as the land of the Buddha.
    But if you ask me, Indians can even outdo the Chinese in civilizational arrogance. Indeed as Persian philosopher Al Beruni observed, Indians a 1000 years back, did not consider any other civilization or nation equal to their own, a kind of Brahmanical attitude who believed that they came from the Head of Brahma, the God head and that creation (Shrusti) was for their pleasure. Very similar to Jews and Rabbinical mentality. For Hindus, high civilization is highly connected with food, vegetarianism is the most respected, those who abstain from onions/garlic etc even more so. For the Hindus, the beef Muslims, snake/ dog eating Chinese or even the beef eating Brits were all mleccha or barbarians. So arrogant the Chinese may be, for the highest Brahmins, they are filthy unclean barbarians. Interestingly the Muslim foreign invaders looked down upon Hindus at times as lowly idol worshiping kaffirs below Muslims and Jews but they could never break the arrogance of the Brahmins who instead looked down upon them as dirty filthy barbarians in return. Brahmins in the early Islamic period of the Delhi Sultanate were particularly targeted for butchery but the Muslims could never break their arrogance. That was the time when Muslims raped, enslaved, looted and plundered India with gleee. The Brahmins really got their first inferiority complex hit (Muslims were just considered blood thirsty butcher barbarians, which partly they were) when they came across the British/Europeans. British technological superiority was so evident, the Jew like Brahmins went crazy, “how could these lowly British barbarians invent all this stuff?? We are from the mouth of Lord Brahma”. That slowly led to the start of Indian wakandism. Brahmins like Dayanand Saraswati came up with invented fantasy history in his book Satyat Prakash which played a big part in inciting Indian Independence movement against the British Raj in the Punjab. Influenced folks like Lala Rajpat Rai. Wakanda claims of ancient surgery and flying aeroplane vimanas.

    • Replies: @lel
    , @Malla
  328. Jokem says:
    @littlereddot

    ‘That is true. When China becomes the biggest kid on the block, who knows what it will do.’

    Red China will do what is in the interests or the governing elite there.

    You mention Tibet, they were conquered by Red China, and Tibet was largely peaceful.
    They had virtually no military and thus were easy victims in spite of the rugged terrain.

  329. Jokem says:
    @Franz

    You are the one spreading globo-propaganda.

    Internationalist ‘one-world rule’ Socialist pressure.

    Calling regulations in the USA ‘meager’ is untrue on it’s face.

    As far as Western Corporations being crybabies is partly true. Major Corporations like to have some regulation, as it keeps smaller companies from being competitive. The problem with it is they are so strangled with government meddling they cannot compete properly in the international marketplace.
    Protective tariffs can help domestically, but do nothing for exports, so they go elsewhere to get the cheaper labor and economic liberty unavailable here.

    • Replies: @Franz
  330. @denk

    When can the world be rid of this plague, which’ve killed 30M and displaced another 37M worldwide in the last seventy years alone. ?

    The faults of the US are well known and have been brilliantly critiqued especially on this site which is an alt-right site. The alt-right are even more savagely critical of the US than the far left but I don’t think that they have been entirely fair about it.

    This ‘plague’ as you call it gave the world an astonishing period of prosperity under its stewardship, there has been unprecedented economic growth, no major wars like WW1 & 2, it successfully opposed that horrible totalitarian system communism without which a majority of the world would have been gulags suffering from global famines. See the difference between North and South Korea. Go to Dandong in the night and look across the Yalu river, utter blackness hardly a light in sight. That darkness is what the plague opposed.This plague diffused major technologies across the world opened its universities to the brightest from the world. Under WTO it even outsourced its manufacturing to China, of course nothing was free but still the consequences were a blessing for the rest of the world. About the 9/11 wars it was a disaster but Islamic revivalism needed a serious response and they got it. Inshort the US fired the imagination of the world after WW2, they are in serious decline now …

    What about the Chinese, your despotic president, the increasing repression there, the tearing up of Deng’s consensus, the abolition of term limits, the terrible online repression there, your terrifying surveillance state – this standing of the free and open internet(an American legacy) on its head by making it a tool of repression? See a superpower for better or worse is emulated by the lessers like how the Chinese emulated the worst aspects of Stalinism and the Khmer Rouge and North Korea the worst aspects of the Chinese communists. Do you want to be some kind of a Saudi Arabia of cheap goods or a 21st Century power admired and emulated.

    • Troll: d dan
    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
    , @denk
  331. @Pinkcel Detector

    I have Native American ancestry.

    Whoah a stone age Ghost aren’t you guys supposed to be extinct? What’s your Indian name ‘Little Foul Mouth?’

    Smallpox blankets from sweet little Columbus.

    You guys had 20,000 years on prime real estate with nothing to show for it like those Aborigines in Australia, news flash stone ager reality doesn’t give such chances to anyone. Go back to your happy hunting ground Little Foul Mouth.

    • Troll: d dan
    • Replies: @Pinkcel Detector
  332. @Dutch

    Doesn’t ICs mean “Indians and Chinese”, i.e. the stuff Silicon Valley is based on ?

  333. @Grahamsno(G64)

    LOL you don’t even know the history of your own country. We Native Americans invented and ran democracy for hundreds of years before your aristocratic owners even allowed you savage little peons to vote in the 1900s. YOU have nothing to show for it and all you can do is rage on an Internet forum like a troll.

    Your Owners had 19,700 years of nothing and only had 300 years of temporary chance after they stole gunpowder from the Yuan dynasty that finally gave you civilization. What did they do to you savage little peons?

    Then they made 50 million of your men into splattered meatballs for WWI, WWII, Korean war, Vietnam war, and many other wars. Now you savage little peons became loser pinkcels and enjoy victimizing innocent animals, victimizing innocent little boys in your little rooms and rage trolling on Internet forums. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2352779/Bestiality-brothels-spreading-Germany-campaigner-claims-abusers-sex-animals-lifestyle-choice.html

    • LOL: West reanimator
    • Replies: @Malla
  334. @Anonymous

    it couldn’t get a vehicle into a stable orbit before the Clintons.

    When did the Clinton’s achieve such a feat?

    What was vehicle, one of Bills old GTO’s?

    Whose Stable and did it disturb the horses?

    It must certainly have been a new record for LEO’s

  335. frankie p says:
    @John H

    “I await the arrival of foreign militaries of multiple countries in the US port cities. Perhaps then we can see some analogous conditions.”

    Your inability to see the fact that (((foreign))) powers already control the government, banking, cities, academia, and media of the US prevents you from seeing the analogous conditions.

    In the modern world, there is no need to occupy with a foreign military; just control the levers of power and the rest will follow.

    What will it take for you to open your eyes: “No Dogs or Whites Allowed”?

    Coming soon, to an elite area near you.

    • Replies: @John H
  336. lel says:
    @Malla

    Just a bunch of people with ill-developed sense of self-superiority. For all they can say about superiority they are projecting history and culture onto their insecure egoes, which are often “superior” in a subjective sense. “Cultural achievements” in terms of science or art or whatever else these days are mostly done by productive people interested in their work behind the scenes, and I suspect they normally don’t go on online forums to scream and shout and add to the pile of toxicity.

    Honestly I see these kind of ethno/religious/racial/whatever-chauvinists everywhere screeching about. It’s not the majority, but I see fewer people willing to reign in, especially if it’s from their in-group. I think there is a sense of self-justification towards the actions of these vocal minorities from the majority of the in-group. Though more often than not it sabotages the image of a group.

    If others are being insulted, most will just watch the show as bystanders or even enjoy the scene. If their identities are insulted personally then they get mad but the ways they handle their anger are often problematic.

    I don’t know much about others, but being Chinese I think many of these vocal ones can do better in presenting their arguments than hurling insults and being overly belligerent.

    I don’t get chauvinists. I am sure they won’t seek out chauvinists from other out-groups because they won’t get along. So there’s a sense of entitlement to being chauvinist, “I can be chauvinist, but if others are, they are wrong, and I will take that personally.”

    Focus on yourself, let others seethe. The more they seethe the less they are coping well.

    • Agree: Malla
    • Replies: @InnerCynic
  337. Malla says:
    @Pinkcel Detector

    Grahamsno(G64) is South Indian from India, not White American.

    • Replies: @Pinkcel Detector
  338. @Grahamsno(G64)

    If there is a god, he would have retroactively aborted you. Since you are still here making stupid comments, there is no god.

    • Agree: Pinkcel Detector
  339. @littlereddot

    Confucianism is really bad imo.

    Chinese is way too docile under it imo. Too soft. It could/will invite war from the outside.

    China needs to be strong to avoid WWIII. So bystanders like me can live peacefully.

  340. Malla says:
    @Malla

    Interestingly the Muslim foreign invaders looked down upon Hindus at times as lowly idol worshiping kaffirs

    This attitude of the foreign Muslim invaders was picked up by many Indian converted Muslims. So much so that have a common single nation was becoming difficult and later partition inevitable. Unlike the Hui of China, Indian Muslims were never Indianised to that extent. Indian Muslims though partly Indianised always wanted to keep a separation from the lowly idol worshiping Hindu kaffirs. I was reading this book by lord Lytton Junior and found something interesting.

    Victor Alexander George Robert Bulwer-Lytton, 2nd Earl of Lytton, KG, GCSI, GCIE, PC, DL also Viscount Knebworth was a British politician and Governor of Bengal between 1922 and 1927 and was briefly Acting Viceroy of India in 1926. He was the son of Edward Robert Lytton Bulwer-Lytton, 1st Earl of Lytton, GCB, GCSI, GCIE, PC the English statesman, Conservative politician who served as Viceroy of India between 1876 and 1880—during his tenure Queen Victoria was proclaimed Empress of India. Victor Alexander George Robert Bulwer-Lytton, 2nd Earl of Lytton
    In his book Pundits And Elephants , Victor Alexander George Robert Bulwer-Lytton, 2nd Earl of Lytton writes
    “The most important change in the field of education which was accomplished during my term of office was the substitution in the Matriculation regulations of Calcutta University of the native vernacular language for English as the medium of teaching and examination in all the secondary schools. I was strongly in favour of this change and was glad to be able to accomplish it before I left. I always found among young Indians a lack of clarity both in speaking and thinking. This I attributed to the fact that everything they learnt was communicated to them in a foreign language by teachers who were very imperfect masters of it themselves. I tried to imagine what my own state of mind would be if all the history, geography, mathematics, science, etc., which I knew had been taught to me by English teachers in Hebrew or Chinese.
    The change was opposed both by the English and by some Moslems. The English were naturally afraid that the change might lead to a neglect of the English language, but I was able to assure them that the new regulations would only apply to schools that could prove that they included efficient teaching of English as one of , the subjects of their curriculum, and I thought it likely that the language so learnt might be better spoken than it was at present. The Mohammedan objection was less obvious. Those who made it tried to convince me that the Bengalee spoken in Moslem homes in Eastern Bengal was so different from the written language of the text-books the children would have to use that the Moslem children would practically have to learn it as a new language, that they would require to learn it from Hindu teachers, and that this would mean that the young Moslems would become impregnated with the idolatrous tenets of Hinduism. I could not take this objection seriously, for the difference between the written and spoken language was no greater than in the case of the dialect spoken in Scottish homes and the English of school text-books. It seemed to me that those who used such arguments were really trying to maintain Islam as a separate civilisation in India, which others had failed to do in the past. The Mohammedans of Eastern Bengal were not a separate race, but were every year assimilating more and more the characteristics of their Hindu neighbours. The objection amounted to a request that Government should help to prevent Moslems from becoming Indians, with which I had little sympathy.”

    So wait, Indian Muslims opposed the British for pushing education in Indian native languages (instead of English) because they were afraid that this this would lead to them coming more closer to Hindus!!! How was a single nation possible???

  341. @Grahamsno(G64)

    G64, as a plain White supremacist racist, your fear of China is quite amusing. You’ve been brainwashed in exemplary fashion eg, there is NOTHING ‘despotic’ about Xi, who is primus inter pares. ‘Repression’ barely exists in China save for active terrorists, and subversive traitors on the US payroll. Deng’s consensus is fine, but circumstances change. The growth of slavering Western supremacist hatred among reptiles like you meant that China had to prepare for war. As for a ‘free and open’ Internet in the West, well that’s even more full of shite than the rest of your crap. And your racist, moronic, ignorant assertion that China which now produces more than 50% of the world’s patent, is only engaged in producing ‘cheap goods’ is bizarrely stupid, even for frightened racists like you. As for admiration-China IS admired in the non-Western ie majority world, where the USA and Yankee doodles like you are LOATHED.

  342. @Jokem

    Tibet was a viciously repressive theocracy, where the population lived as serfs. China introduced education, ending illiteracy, healthcare, increasing life expectancy from less than forty to the mid sixties, and emancipated women. All stuff that racist Western dipshits give NO care to whatsoever. In fact the USA is heading straight towards a sort of pre-liberation Tibet style of society, with the rich as the theocrats, and the serfs merely ‘useless eaters’.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
  343. @USA invades Israel

    More pre-genocidal racist gibbering from a racist thug.

  344. Smith says:
    @Pinkcel Detector

    Uh, it’s just physics.

    Big ships that are slow and unmaneuverable get destroyed by smaller, more maneuverable ships.

    This is common in history, even chinese history. Ask Cao Cao vs Zhou You in the battle of Red Cliff.

    • Troll: d dan
  345. Smith says:
    @littlereddot

    The Yuan/Mongol is considered a chinese dynasty, just like how the Qing/Manchu is considered a chinese dynasty.

    It’s a “if you can’t beat them, join them” mentality. Some dudes told me last week Subotai is considered a chinese emperor/general.

    The chinese identity is very flux, it depends on who controls Beijing & Nanjing. And starting from Qing, chinese has never meant “Han-only”, but a country for many ethnics (Han, mongol, manchu…)

  346. GayDad69 says:
    @hoo hoo

    What oil robbing? Gas prices went up during the Iraq war. Only Trump wanted to take the oil, and the military sabotaged him.

    Who cares about “the economy”? It’s not a god, you should cease your idolatry. The “economy” only matters if it serves the people.

  347. GayDad69 says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    We had 80,000 opoid overdoses in 2020, and have lost almost 2 million people since 2000.

    If the chinks will do this to us, what do you think they’ll do to you when it profits them to exterminte you?

    Also don’t you think it’s a bit reductionist to conflate the jews and traitors who run the USA with the American people? Pretty small minded for someone who prides themselves on their worldliness.

    • Troll: d dan
    • Replies: @BostonWealth
  348. GayDad69 says:
    @Beta Loser Cuckold Scott Adams

    IIRC it was the British who forced opium on china, and in any case it was their leadership who was ultimately responsible. These leaders have descendants, there are plenty of genealogical records of nobles, and they have addresses and bank accounts.

    If all White people are to blame for the actions of a few thousand Brits 200 years ago, then all chinese people are to blame for the actions of the CCP leadership.

    If china’s has a right to revenge against all White people for the actions of a few thousand Brits 200 years ago, then everyone who suffered due to china exporting fentanyl and methanphetamine precursors to mexican drug cartels has a right to revenge against china.

    If it’s ok for you chinks to seek revenge for shit that happened hundreds of years, then it’s ok for us to do the same.

    We didn’t get anything from china except periodic flu outbreaks since the 1800s, and in any case we invented everything you use today simply because we’re better than you. You, and especially your women, know this though it hurts you too much to acknowledge it.

    I’m sure that you read lots of chinese “history” books with convoluted explanations for why china is a shithole but the USA is not. That doesn’t make them true – truth exists apart from our (and especially your) perceptions.

    Your obsession with Scott Adams is frankly bizarre, and your accusations smack of psychological projection. You should consult a mental health professional before you go on a shooting spree and expire gracelessly.

    • Troll: d dan
    • Replies: @Malla
  349. @GayDad69

    What goes around comes around and justice comes knocking.

    In the end, it will equal out because the Asians lost even more in the 1800s when your ancestors forced it onto them.

    For the future, they should work together.

    Only Asians and Europeans have invented things of magnetism because Asians and Europeans are genetically similar. Europeans have Asian patrilineal genes of Haplogroup-O because the European Haplogroup R descended from the East Eurasian part of Haplogroup-O.

    The genetic similarities are so obvious if you look at real examples of Asians and Europeans, just like Nick Shying, Barry Shying and the Asian Brad Pitt. This white person with blue eyes and blonde hair is named Nick Shying which is an Asian word.

    [MORE]

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-10/first-chinese-settlers-descendants-reconnect-with-their-roots/9845804

    His ancestor was an Asian who had multiple white wives, the first one was Sarah Jane Thompson. Nick’s grandfather, Barry Shying, a grandchild of the Asian ancestor, still has a lot of Asian in him and looks fully white.

    If you are European and *not* one of them, you most likely have Asian patrilineal genes in you, just like Nick Shying and Barry Shying. Then look at the Asian Brad Pitt:

    East Asian version of Brad Pitt

    • Replies: @Badger Down
  350. Malla says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Tibet was a viciously repressive theocracy, where the population lived as serfs. China introduced education, ending illiteracy, healthcare, increasing life expectancy from less than forty to the mid sixties, and emancipated women.

    LOL, The same thing can be said for example of the British Empire in India or Africa. So the Japanese Empire in Korea. The British (and all European Empires including even the Fascist Italians) outlawed slavery in Africa during the colonial period post 1890.

    From the book “Equality, The Third World, and Economic Delusion” by P.T.Bauer

    Also from a different source
    http://dspace.library.uu.nl/handle/1874/399805
    The abolition (of slavery by European navies) caused trade to decline and domestic slavery to rise, putting a downward pressure on wages. Only when Britain slowly extended its domain over the entire Gold Coast (Ghana) did living standards start to rise. The British abolished domestic slavery and brought peace and stability to an otherwise violent region, ushering in a period of unprecedented growth for the Gold Coast.”

    • Replies: @Malla
  351. Franz says:
    @Jokem

    As far as Western Corporations being crybabies is partly true. Major Corporations like to have some regulation, as it keeps smaller companies from being competitive. The problem with it is they are so strangled with government meddling they cannot compete properly in the international marketplace.

    That was my point.

    Big corporate players in the US either asked for or initiated the “government meddling” themselves.

    The US Government Printing Office spent a dozen years sending out propaganda for corporations. It was either about re-locating where unions were weak or sending entire factories out and letting US facilities go empty. I saw the size of the print runs, and who ordered it.

    Giant corporations own the US government. Paul Craig Roberts even admitted that. And he was at the Treasury Department when this was going on.

    If the USA ceases to exist in the near future, as is very possible, it’ll be the private sector that is responsible.

    • Replies: @Jokem
  352. @anonymous

    That quote in English from google looks fake to me.

    一个把黑畜罪犯当圣人的笑话国度 = a joke country that treats black animal criminals as saints

  353. Smith says:
    @Deep Thought

    I don’t think it’s shameful to learn from anybody, be it China or any other country.

    Just saying that Mandarin is very different compared to ancient chinese, because it’s a mix between chinese and khitdan language. It’s a rather new dialect, born when Northern Song is taken over by Jin dynasty/Khitdan.

    The other popular dialect, cantonese, is probably closer to ancient chinese due to the amount of loanwords it has in vietnamese and japanese (both countries learned ancient chinese).

    And for me, I think the vocal part is more important than the written part, which is why languages are easily latinized, but it’s how they sound that make them unique.

  354. @littlereddot

    I got a Creative Nomad MP3 player in July 2000. It was still working 10 years later.

    Apple ipod came out late in 2001. You had to keep buying new ones, because the battery was crap, and so on.

  355. Malla says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    As far as the Japanese Empire in Korea, Check out this book
    New Korea by Alleyne Ireland
    http://yeoksa.blog.fc2.com/blog-category-57.html
    From the book
    The Japanese administration in Korea has done more to advance the interests of Korea than any other government has done to advance the interests of any country in the world… That Korean agricultural exports should have increased in little more than a decade by more than a thousand per cent; industrial exports by more than three thousand per cent, fishery exports by nearly three thousand per cent…would, if Korea were a self-governing country instead of a Japanese colonial dependency, be hailed throughout the Western world as an astounding example of national progress.”
    “… the credit is due chiefly to the humane and conciliatory attitude of Governor-General Saito toward the Korean people, and to the wise measures which, for more than six years, have been the fruit of an unstinting employment of his unusual energy and of his still more unusual administrative talents.”
    “… Vice-Governor-General Ariyoshi, one of Japan’s most expert and highly regarded civil administrators, a man whom, from my own observation, I know to be a tireless worker and sympathetic toward the Korean people.”
    Furthermore, Alleyne calls the Resident-General Ito Hirobumi “a sincere friend and well-wisher of Korea”. The Resident-General Ito was assassinated by a Korean nationalist An Jung-geun (安重根) in 1909, who is today praised by Koreans as a national hero!!! Kind of reminds me of the idiotic assassination of Arthur Mason Tippetts Jackson, a highly respected expert in Hinduism, assassinated by Kokanastha Brahmin anti-British Indian nationalist revolutionaries. The killers later admitted that they killed a very good human being and that they made a mistake. Even the Hindu Shankaracharya (Hindu version of Pope, there are four of them) was shocked at that assassination and strongly condemned it, an assassination carried out by “superior” Brahmans on an “unclean” Christian mleccha Englishman, mind you!!! Wow, that is big.
    Or the bomb thrown at Lord Hardinge, viceroy of India (Charles Hardinge, 1st Baron Hardinge) by crackpot Indian anti-British revolutionaries, Lord Hardinge who spoke of bringing Indians and British people closer to each other and who as Viceroy of India lambasted South Africa, also part of the British Empire, for the treatment of Indians there. He kept stubbornly writing official letters and warnings showing the displeasure by the Government of India (British Raj) to the South African Viceroy on this account and the case went all the way to the Imperial capital, London who took India’s side on this matter. His wife Lady Hardinge, Vicereine of India, was a big supporter of women’s higher education in India and was responsible for opening the Lady Hardinge Medical College in New Delhi, which was and still is Government run (not private and hence less fees). This Government run Medical colleges is still one of the best and was of tremendous help during the recent Covid crisis especially to the poor.
    http://lhmc-hosp.gov.in/
    Lady Hardinge Medical College, New Delhi website. Government of India
    Hey revolutionaries, if you want to assassinate at-least get the list right and kill the bad guys, why attack the good guys??

    South Korean Professor Che Keiho, of Kaya University in South Korea gives a talk on the history behind Japan’s annexation of Korea (English subtitles), presenting a very harsh image of pre-annexation Korea as a backward medieval kingdom that needed the Japanese Empire to modernize it.The state of 19th century Korea (Joseon Dynasty 조선왕조 李氏朝鮮) was very similar to that of present day North Korea. The majority of the population were starving and were enslaved by a small number of corrupt bureaucrats called Yangban (양반 両班) who were supported by Qing Dynasty China. The professor speaks out about the Truth of Japan’s annexation of the Korean Peninsula. He was born in Korea 1923 during the Japanese rule, so he knows Korea during the Japanese rule.

    Truth of Japan Empire’s annexation of the Korean peninsula Part 1 of 3 by Prof Che Keiho, of Kaya University. English subtitles. Kindly check out the other two parts.

    • Replies: @Joe Wong
  356. Malla says:
    @Malla

    Oops Sorry, that was the wrong cutout pic. that was a Kenyan freedom fighter MP who is regretting taking part in the freedom “struggle” which had led to the British leaving Kenya and Kenya becoming more impoverished as a result. If he would have had a time machine, he would go back to the past and not have taken part in the so called struggle.

    The cutout from From the book “Equality, The Third World, and Economic Delusion” by P.T.Bauer, in the massive improvements brought to West Africa by the Splendid British Empire is the one below

  357. Anon[328] • Disclaimer says:
    @Uncle Al

    The language war has been long standing, but has certainly quickened its pace to fit right in with thought crime implementations they are bombarding us with: men are women, the notion of biological sex is just a social construct created by Whitey to keep the freaks down, men can have periods but only if they want to, men can get pregnant and breast feed, while women can only chest feed cause women have owned the word breast for too long and now it’s not their turn any more… wait, is that how it works? That doesn’t sound kosher, but it must be.
    It’s all so obvious to anyone who has dared to cast a glance ‘their’ way.
    Or maybe it’s those sunglasses that guy made me put on after kicking my ass in an alley that lets me see the ‘real’ messaging behind the marketing.
    It’s almost as bad as the curse laid on Cassandra. She was given the gift of foresight, but cursed with the fact that no one would ever believe her.
    So she could see the looming misfortune and mayhem and doom and disaster but her warnings would only ever fall on the ignorantly deaf ears of the hapless plebes destined for what was to come.

    Let’s pray for a benevolent god to send us a good old fashion biblical colonic of a flood.
    Pretty sure that’s our only hope.
    Pretty please, God?

  358. denk says:
    @USA invades Israel

    China and Israel are a perfect match

    Why dont you speak for yourself…
    https://web.archive.org/web/20060202102116/http://mediamonitors.net/khodr2.html

    pardners made in heaven, or
    is it hell ?
    Always has been, always will be,….

    184-2

    https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/06/23/us-and-israel-vote-no-184-nations-condemn-american-blockade-cuba

    • Replies: @USA invades Israel
  359. denk says:
    @Grahamsno(G64)

    Smith’s of Vietnamese origin and has been posting here for a long time and unlike you he’s not an uncultured lout.

    smith is full of it.

    Exhibit A
    smith

    Malays and Indians are persecuted by Han rulers in Sg

    Anyone who knows anything on SEA would laugh at this nonsense,.

    Sg has one of the most liberal AA policies in the world, ditto China.
    IOW, to hell with this commies./democracy BS,
    Its a cultural trait….both are Han ruled.

    [MORE]

    Lots of gringo ignoramus whined that

    China is progressing cuz it isnt dragged down by stupid AA BS like us,.

    Like hell !
    I threw down a challenge in Guardian comment is free more than ten years ago,

    Show me one other place with AA policies matching those in Tibet, Xinjiang …

    So far no taker.

    Since you’r obcessed with This commies sucks nonsense, lets compare commie China with
    ‘democratic’ India,

    KNow something, unlike those five liars idiots, the world muslim council actually went to Xinjiang to investigate this Uighurs genocide hullabaloo.
    Their verdict…its all FUKUS BS,
    To rub it in, they tell those five liars idiots to stop barking up the wrong tree, look in Kashmir,.

    Seems that everybody knows it…
    except those five liars idiots.

    From the horse mouth,
    https://www.geo.tv/latest/309616-farooq-abdullah-says-kashmiris-do-not-feel-themselves-indian-want-chinese-rule

    And the NE,
    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/blogs/jugglebandhi/would-india-s-northeast-be-better-off-with-china/

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
    , @Smith
  360. @Smith

    That sounds like a straw-man argument, Smith. Did anyone actually say “the Ming fleet could conquer the world”?

    • Replies: @Smith
  361. Dusan says:

    Before you feel sorry for the Chinese about how they are ostracized by the US: Yes they have technological and scientific achievements. That is great. But who benefits? 100% of their population who do not live in super big cities live in 18th century conditions. Yes, the US is suspicious of China, but we have reasons to be. Does anyone here want to live like Chinese rural population does? That is the downside of the development. In China it only benefits few.

    • Replies: @Joe Wong
  362. Malla says:
    @denk

    And the NE,
    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/blogs/jugglebandhi/would-india-s-northeast-be-better-off-with-china/

    Why would China want Kashmiris inside the PRC is besides me or the Kashmiris themselves inside China. Kashmiris are Caucasoid Muslims. The North East would benefit being part of China or being independent. But you will have to remove all the mainlanders including Hindus and Muslims from Bangladesh.
    And why don’t you denki talk about the Chittagong Hill tracts of Bangladesh? Bangladesh’s North East where the local Buddhists Mongoloid type populations re ill-treated by Dhaka and want independence from Bangladesh?

    • Replies: @denk
    , @Ron Unz
  363. Malla says:
    @denk

    farooq-abdullah-says-kashmiris-do-not-feel-themselves-indian-want-chinese-rule

    LOL Kashmiri independence leader, Dr. Farooq Abdullah, looks like this.

    They would stick out as weirdos in China, look nothing like Chinese or East Asians. And why would China want more Muslims inside their nation who may cause problems tomorrow? Let India or Pakistan handle that issue. Ladakhis are however similar to Tibetans. The Baltistanis of Gilgit Baltistan which is in Pakistan Kashmir are Tibetans too but Muslims.

    Compared to that the Nagaland Chief Minister Neiphiu Rio, looks like this
    And there are no Muslims among the Natives of the North East of India. Most are Christians or animists or Buddhists. Most of the Muslims and Hindus there are mostly outsiders who settled there from mainland India or Bangladesh.

  364. Smith says:
    @denk

    Singapore definitely isn’t the most “liberal” places in the world, unless it’s the only place you visit.

    It’s a neoliberal country that survives on immigration, and we know exactly how migrant workers are treated there.

  365. Smith says:
    @Badger Down

    Well, I was replying to the dude who said given the same powers (as the westerners), the chinese wouldn’t conquer the world by the past experiences of Zheng He fleet, and I corrected him saying Zheng He fleet is a false equivalence, it lacked the capacity (speed) in order to colonize as the brit or spanish fleet.

  366. Malla says:
    @GayDad69

    IIRC it was the British who forced opium on china, and in any case it was their leadership who was ultimately responsible.

    The opium trade was dominated by the powerful Baghdadi Jewish Sassoon family and had many Indian merchants involved in it. Most of the money came to India to the Briitsh Indian Government and was used in Indian affairs. Half of Bombay was built on Opium money. Arab merchants had been selling opium in China from the 7th century. And it were British and American Protestant missionaries who rallied against the trade.
    And this theory that the British had nothing to sell to Asia besides opium not true either.English exports of manufactures especially the famed British woolen clothing to India and the Far East was expanding dramatically way before the conquest of Bengal/India or the Opium trade.

  367. @Malla

    You keep forgetting about deadly diseases coming to Europe from far east resulting in virtual isolation of Europe from far east for centuries, until Marco Polo.

    • Thanks: Malla
  368. OK, but could you please rewrite your “tHe bLAcKs aRe bAd” column for the 342th time?

    • LOL: Truth
  369. @denk

    I see it necessary to speak for us both.

    The USA and Israel are hardly partners.

    https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/nanjing-jewish-studies

    The USA is a Satrapy of Tel Aviv. USA pays tribute to it’s sovereign, not the other way round. A partnership is about some form of mutual benefit, an arrangement which does not exist here. “Israel” is a fragile artificial structure kept in existence by enormous external inputs; the sweat of the American Citizen, extracted involuntarily by force through taxation. America is not alone in keeping Israel fat and safe. Other Western countries are also contributors. No, China is not alone in being a hive of bribery, extortion and corruption. Western leaders also play such ball selling out to jew bribe money. It’s the sole existence for AIPAC and the like. Happens all the time.

    Israel doesn’t care about China or it’s people any more than the CCP does. They’ll use China up and get rid of it when it’s usefulness is no more. Fear not, Chinese leaders already know this because it holds the same philosophy for any country other than itself too. It will be interesting to see who stabs who in the back first – and how.

    • Replies: @InnerCynic
    , @denk
  370. denk says:
    @Malla

    Why not Bangladesh

    What the hell is Bangladesh doing here ?
    graham is suffering from a massive self delusion.
    good Democracy vs commie evil.
    Im doing him a favor in bursting his bubble.

    The world’s largest democrazy
    + the world’s oldest democrazy
    = a partnership made in heaven,,,…or is it hell

    https://www.countercurrents.org/miller120207.htm
    ———————

    [MORE]

    why would China want more Muslims inside their nation who may cause problems tomorrow? Let India or Pakistan handle that issue

    LOL

    u dont know whats China’s registered trade mark ?
    NOn interference.

    Try telling that to Modi,.
    At least he is smart enoug not to jump into that Uighurs fracas, for now.

    Unlike the five liars, shit stirring isnt China’s cup of tea.
    BUt if India is foolish enough to paint itself white
    https://www.unz.com/pescobar/new-great-game-gets-back-to-basics/#comment-4792183
    All bets are off.
    ————————

    That smiling Nagaland Chief Minister belies a very sad story of betrayal and evil.

    Nagaland, in fact the entire seven sisters, are now India’s captive concubines.

    Six decades of genocidal wars are enough to break even the Nagas, once a legendary warrior tribe who saved the ass of many English and Indian soldiers during WW2

    Except for a small band of die hard fighters who stand no chance against the Indian juggernaut, The once proud warriors of nagas are now a pitiful defeated people, broken in spirit and crushed in bodies,

    Thru out six decades of genocidal wars, not a peep from those self appointed R2p crusaders.

    https://republicofbuzz.com/how-india-occupied-nagaland-history-that-india-hides/

    • Replies: @Malla
  371. Anon[469] • Disclaimer says:
    @Deep Thought

    They’ve been dealing with China for 2000 years. I imagine they understand China better than we do.

  372. Ron Unz says:
    @Malla

    I noticed you’ve mentioned a few times that many Indians now think that America recently “betrayed” them and are very angry about the situation, making it much more difficult for the US to bring them into an anti-China alliance.

    Aside from reading my MSM newspapers, I don’t follow Indian issues very closely. What was the perceived nature of the betrayal? I’m sure you mentioned it in some of your comments, but I’d have a hard time finding those.

    • Replies: @Rdm
    , @Malla
  373. @Achmed E. Newman

    Well said, except Fred isn’t actually that wrong. There are loud minorities amongst centrist rights who claim much of America’s “diversity push” originates from Chinese support. Now, there may very well be (some) Chinese support for it, in as much as what directly benefits them (colleges and such), but the origins and process and continuation of it are All-American. China is just as happy working with countries that don’t destroy themselves and not encouraging self-destructive behavior.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  374. @Malla

    My younger brother and I were having this debate, and he eventually convinced of what you said, especially with the struggles the Mongols face in their first (and largely successful) invasion of Poland and Hungary. Ultimately, the troubles they would have faced when the Steppes ran out also seem too troublesome.

    Europeans really were becoming the masters of war in that era. Blessed with high quality materials, talent, and enough violent political diversity to keep swords sharp.

    • Agree: Malla
  375. @Sin City Milla

    Taking the Philippines and Cuba was an objectively White American decision. Mexico was totally understandable, it’s a shame we didn’t take the rest or form a unitary state. Cuba is at least in the same continental region, but puppets are for corrupt empires, so annexation or independence would be the only righteous American path.

    But the Philippines? Indefensible. Utterly indefensible. Same with Hawaii. WWI and the Federal Reserve were also White choices. Our leaders are evil, and work for and with evil people.

    • Agree: InnerCynic
    • Replies: @Rdm
    , @Sin City Milla
  376. @Godfree Roberts

    I’m a big China fan, and I think many numbers might be over inflated, but bloodless means literally no deaths. Even Huawei’s founder spoke of the trials his parents faced, finding themselves on the wrong end of the stick, and Xi Jinping’s father was literally on the wrong end of a stick, being beaten. Likely some of his blood was in that stick.. Not to mention those killed in inter-party violence or lynch mobs.

    China hasn’t released records, really, of any tallied deaths or executions as far as I know, but the CPC does say people were, in fact, killed.

  377. @lel

    Its like that saying…”The best revenge is to live well”

  378. Jokem says:
    @Franz

    ‘Giant corporations own the US government. ‘

    I will go so far as to admit they have influence, but there are other players in that venue as well.

    ‘If the USA ceases to exist in the near future, as is very possible, it’ll be the private sector that is responsible.’

    The Socialist influence is what will be responsible.

    • Replies: @Franz
  379. @Malla

    They’re a people “apart” even when amongst others.

  380. @USA invades Israel

    Where did this quote by Bibi come from?

  381. babu says:

    That is why the US and its allies need to simultaneously and preemptively strike China and Iran and gain control of their resources and money supply. The US cannot ‘compete’ with China.

    • Replies: @Joe Wong
    , @Jokem
    , @Badger Down
  382. Rdm says:
    @Ron Unz

    1. Although Indian Ocean is by namesake, and USS Nitmitz island was navigating in International waters in said place, the navigation took place a few weeks after India officially joined QUAD. Even in diplomatic sense, it would be a nice gesture to inform them of their pending activity, which they never did. In fact, the spokesperson said they don’t need to inform Indian authority because they are in International waters.

    You might wonder what Quad represents.

    “Increase contact at all levels between the Quad’s diplomats, defense officials, and technical experts; cooperation in defending freedom of the seas; joint efforts in governance, health, environmental protection, …..”

    Nothing materializes, even in a sense of “Defending freedom of the seas”. Indian press were hounding on Modi for not taking a stronger stance. Many notable Indian scholars are hinting that Quad won’t fly but fell into deaf ears.

    2. Covid-19 and Indian death toll, but their QUAD master still hasn’t delivered a single dose to India even after Biden reluctantly announced that the US will be sharing the vaccine. Rumor has that India is now undergoing millions of deaths from delta variants, but they’re tightening the press and underreporting it. Now a similar wave is spreading to neighboring countries, killing thousands in a day. China is tightening the northern border.

    Overall, I don’t think Indians are turning anti-US and pro-China. They even have their channels dedicated to bash China 24/7. It gets to the point where they’re even saying that lifting 800 millions out of poverty under Xi is a facade and they predict that China soon will collapse. IMO, Indians become more pro-US than ever before.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Jokem
  383. Joe Wong says:
    @babu

    No more democracy, liberty, equality and justice? All about dictatorship, authoritarian, racism, and barbarism?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  384. @Malla

    LOL so you are saying that Grahamsno(G64) is a descendant from those ancient loser Indians who were conquered by and subservient to the Mongolian Mughal Empire.

    He should know his place as a subservient loser Poojeet from Poop land.

    [MORE]
    • Replies: @Malla
  385. Joe Wong says:
    @Dusan

    This is 2021, not 1945 nor 1999. The Americans need to get their heads out of sand to see what the real world looks like.

  386. @Malla

    So much so that have a common single nation was becoming difficult and later partition inevitable.

    The loser Poojeets were so backward that they have nevered unified by themselves in their entire history, unless they get conquered by outside forces.

    The one time the loser Poojeets ever got unified was when the Mongolian Mughal Empire founder, a descendant of Timur and Genghis Khan, went there, conquered them and unified them forcibly. The other time was when the British went there, conquered them and unified them forcibly.

    The loser Poojets are even trying to claim that they invented the Korean language. They are following and learning from the we wuz vikangz LMFAO.

  387. Joe Wong says:
    @Malla

    So Che Keiho is a twin brother of the Taiwanese DPP horde, a member of the fake Koreans like the Taiwan DPP horde who are fake Taiwanese left behind by the Japs in Taiwan after their defeat in WWII in order to steal the land by means other than by forces.

    Che Keiho has the same sentiment towards the Japs like those fake Taiwanese DPP horde, and they tell same line of stories to glorify brutal barbaric Japanese occupation, Stockholm Syndrome supreme.

    The West and Jap have done too much war crimes, crimes against humanity and crimes against peace in the last few hundred years, they are desperately wanting to cover their sinful and evil tracks and records before their victims can master enough strength to expose their ugly past, and tell the horrible suffering in the hands of the “progressive” West and Jap. The West and Jap are mobilizing to rewrite history like Alleyne Ireland to fabricate a new reality of the past.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Malla
  388. As I’ve said before on this site, affluence makes a lot of people soft in the head. The West engages in stupid policies because it has lots of money to waste on stupid policies. Middle Income countries have to be more sensible and pragmatic. Most high IQ middle-income countries (like Poland, Hungary, Uruguay and Taiwan) have much better politics than rich western countries where a high average IQ doesn’t compensate for the brain softening impact of extreme wealth.

    HBD aware individuals would do well to start putting more money into smart middle-income countries rather than mindlessly ploughing their wealth into indexes tracking fashionable American software companies. In addition to Chinese mid cap shares, which tap directly into Chinese economic wealth without getting whipsawed by politics, Eastern European ETFs and boutique funds are also an excellent wealth diversifier.

  389. @Barbarossa

    You forget, Red Beard, that We are White, and they are NOT.

  390. @Savageone

    Those gentlemen are south Asians, from India or Bangladesh I imagine, you appalling racist cretin.

  391. Anonymous[283] • Disclaimer says:
    @Joe Wong

    “democracy, liberty, equality, and justice” have no meaning in the modern era. Especially when it is used to justify the existence of a cult. The very fact that a country can represent any of these values or ideas just shows how hollow these ideas are.

  392. @BostonWealth

    Only Asians and Europeans have invented things of magnetism

    Fabulous! I don’t even know what it means. “The Asian Brad Pitt”!

    • Replies: @littlereddot
  393. Anonymous[283] • Disclaimer says:
    @Joe Wong

    Wow. Trying to whitewash the DPP huh. Desperate much?

  394. Malla says:
    @Ron Unz

    America recently “betrayed” them and are very angry about the situation,

    Ron, this is discussed well in this video.
    Abhijit Iyer-Mitra is senior fellow at the Institute of Peace and Conflict Studies. He specializes in defence economics & has been a visiting fellow at Sandia National Laboratories and the Stimson Centre, and regularly publishes on Defence and Foreign Policy. He is right winged, Nationalist, pro-Hindutva but compartively one of the most objective person in that camp.

    Vaccine Embargo by Biden Administration – Abhijit Iyer-Mitra on Urban Chatterati

    You can go through the video but I had written parts of their conversation in these posts.
    https://www.unz.com/pescobar/how-st-petersburg-is-mapping-the-eurasian-century/?showcomments#comment-4717153
    https://www.unz.com/pescobar/how-st-petersburg-is-mapping-the-eurasian-century/?showcomments#comment-4717157

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Yevardian
  395. Malla says:
    @Rdm

    Overall, I don’t think Indians are turning anti-US and pro-China.

    In India anti-US does not automatically mean becoming pro-China. India traditionally had been both anti-USA/ anti-West as well as anti-China but pro-Soviet. More like Vietnam.

    • Replies: @Rdm
  396. Malla says:
    @Joe Wong

    they are desperately wanting to cover their sinful and evil tracks and records before their victims can master enough strength to expose their ugly past,

    LOL. If you ask me, it are the Non West and non Jap world who are super experts at covering their sinful pasts. LOL

    • Troll: d dan
    • Replies: @Joe Wong
  397. Ron Unz says:
    @Malla

    Ron, this is discussed well in this video…He is right winged, Nationalist, pro-Hindutva but compartively one of the most objective person in that camp.

    Very interesting. I think of myself as someone reasonably knowledgeable about world affairs, and I never would have guessed in a million years that those particular issues would irritate India’s elites, let alone enrage them. I wonder how many senior people in the Biden Administration share my total ignorance.

    • Replies: @Malla
  398. Yevardian says:
    @Malla

    Thanks, I’ve been following your conversation and I’ve picked up a lot of new insights into your benighted country. But you really need to tone it down with the videos, in addition to being low-info density, many commenters post exclusively from work and can’t watch them anyway.

    • Agree: littlereddot
    • Replies: @Malla
  399. Jokem says:
    @Rdm

    India is pro-India

    • Replies: @Malla
  400. Jokem says:
    @babu

    As far as Iran is concerned, they made their bed.
    Red China will not be a pushover by any means, they will use their Nuclear capability to defend themselves.

    I had an idea about what to do about Iran, but nobody listens to me.

  401. denk says:
    @USA invades Israel

    The USA is a Satrapy of Tel Aviv. USA pays tribute to it’s sovereign, not the other way round

    Yeah we keep hearing this ad nauseam, meanwhile back on earth…

    https://www.defencetalk.com/us-imposes-sanctions-against-israeli-arms-industry-over-sales-to-china-2967/

    https://www.algemeiner.com/2021/06/21/us-officials-pressure-israel-on-chinese-involvement-in-light-rail-project/

    http://www.newscast-pratyaksha.com/english/israel-refused-contract-to-chinese-company-after-us-pressure/

    https://www.economist.com/middle-east-and-africa/2021/07/15/israel-is-being-forced-to-choose-between-america-and-china

    https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-us-presses-israel-on-chinas-haifa-port-investment-1001267903

    So much for the tail that wag the dog

    ———–

    Israel doesn’t care about China or it’s people any more than the CCP does.

    This is one of the most annoying trait of gringo, projecting their own malaise on the entire world.
    What cant you just speak for yourself ?

    CCP five year plan
    How to improve on people’s life.

    US cabal five year plan
    How to do seven countries in quick succession.

    Why should Israel care for China and its people anyway ?

    When somebody appear to fuss over Chinese welfare 24×7, its time to run for your life..
    KNow what I mean ?
    Tibet, UIghurs, HK, …………………

    • Replies: @Jokem
  402. @babu

    That is why the US and its allies need to strike “israel” simultaneously and preemptively, and destroy it absolutely. The US cannot ‘compete’ with “israel”.

    • Replies: @Bob443
  403. denk says:
    @Grahamsno(G64)

    What about the Chinese, your despotic president

    [sic]

    What about that, so it justify FUKUS wars ?

    [MORE]

    Anyway,

    Your despotic prez..

    dude
    Do u read what I said ?
    ‘What the Chinese do within their land is none of your biz, nor mine.

    OTOH,
    The day USA decided to rule the world, what the gringo do became everybody’s biz.

    Every time white house burned the mid night oil and order lots of pizza…
    you know somewhere in the world, many people would die.

    Throughout the world, on any given day, a man, woman or child is likely to be displaced, tortured, killed or ‘disappeared’, at the hands of governments or armed political groups. More often than not, the United States shares the blame.

    — Amnesty International, Washington Office, 1996
    [1]

    Why were MOA,. UNZ, SAKER set up anyway, cuz our hosts didnt like xI’S LONg tenor ?

    [1]
    https://dissidentvoice.org/2010/07/the-new-iraq-death-threats-and-duplicity/

  404. Bob443 says:
    @Savageone

    I don’t believe any of it.
    There is probably no virus.
    The is definitely no virus worth worrying about.

  405. Bob443 says:
    @Badger Down

    That would set off the Samson Option, which would destroy all our capital cities.

    What are we waiting for?!

  406. Franz says:
    @Jokem

    I will go so far as to admit they have influence, but there are other players in that venue as well.

    Corporations control the money supply and write all the laws… Okay. It’s a stretch, but yeah, it does amount to “influence”.

    • Replies: @Jokem
  407. Jokem says:
    @denk

    Israel has influence in the USA, but there are others that play in that venue.

    • Replies: @denk
  408. @Badger Down

    LOL,
    I think he posted a pic with where there was a asian guy who really looked like Brad Pitt. Also there are the Shying fellows who are supposed to be Asian.

    Boston Wealth, Shying is not a Chinese name. I doubt it is Korean, Japanese of Vietnamese either. I suspect he had an ancestor named Shing or Sing (or Xin, Xing in Pinyin) who somehow changed his name by mistake or intentionally. I also suspect that they are mixed race.

    If I had to guess, the Asian Brad Pitt guy looks quite like someone from the Xinjiang region.

    As for blue eyes, my observation is that all our eyes are blue, except that some of us have additional pigment that turns them brown, black etc. I have observed in my own elderly ethnic Chinese relatives, they often have a ring of blue on the outer edge of the iris. I imagine it is like people losing pigment in their black hair so that it turns white in their advanced age. Similarly they lose the pigment in their eyes starting from the outer edge, so that there is a blue ring.

    As for the close similarity between Asian and European, I do not have enough knowledge to dare comment. I will however put out a perhaps controversial guess. I do think that the blond hair and blue eyes are a result of admixture with neanderthal genes. I have a hunch that if a neanderthal body is recovered in future, it would have blond hair and blue eyes. But that is just my hunch.

  409. @USA invades Israel

    https://www.bikebiz.com/fake-china-where-copyright-means-copy-it-right/

    It had all been done by someone else before:

    “In short, a century ago, the U.S. was the China of the age: an up-and-coming revisionist nation chafing against the established powers, importing and pirating what it could, free-riding on the security provided by the existing hegemon, and legitimizing its behaviors with the pious conviction that it was on the right side of history. Could it be that the Chinese understand U.S. history better than Americans do?”

    https://www.facebook.com/wsj/posts/10158572344403128

    And, China also copies by “Slater the Traitor”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Slater

    It is the presence of a large concentrated collective group of chinese outside of China which should be of great concern to any country which hosts them.

    This is what “the presence of large concentrated collective groups of whites outside of Europe” did all over the world:

    “The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion […] but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.”

    ― Samuel P. Huntington, The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order

    https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/142210-the-west-won-the-world-not-by-the-superiority-of

    • Agree: Rabbitnexus
    • Replies: @Jokem
    , @USA invades Israel
  410. “Why doesn’t America have more and better engineers? Because it has a far smaller base of STEM-capable young….”

    There’s plenty of untapped talent out there. I know 5 people in from the previous generation of my family who became engineers through on-the-job training. That doesn’t happen any more. There’s a lot of talent out there who couldn’t find a path because college was seemingly unavailable to them or they thought they didn’t need it like previous generations didn’t need it. There’s this weird transition period where you could become something like an engineer without college (the boomer generation) to where you need college for everything (the millennial generation). Xers were in that transition period and they are the ones dying of deaths of despair.

  411. @Boomthorkell

    Besides some under-the-scenes anti-Trumpism (that I have good evidence about) and pro-wokeness, I don’t think that’s all some big Chinese plan. I guess I’ve never read the thoughts of these centrist rights that China is behind the whole D.I.E. thing. We mostly make our own problems.

    However, BTK, the Chinese will most definitely benefit from it. (i.e., I don’t agree with your last sentence.) See, it’ll be a lot easier to loot the country if things break apart more quickly. Just as certain American businessmen looted Russia in the 1990s, a pretty-much untold story, there’s no reason it won’t be China looting American soon enough.

    People need to realize what a \$500,000,000,000 yearly trade deficit means. That yearly amount is enough to buy 1/4 to 1/5 of Americans good farmland!

    Peak Stupidity had a series on “Will American be Looted by China?” some months back. Here you go:

    Intro.,
    Housing,
    Big Biz,
    The Fruited Plain,
    The Wilderness, and
    Conclusion.

  412. Rdm says:
    @Malla

    You’re right. Just because one becomes anti-something, they don’t automatically become pro-other.

    But India has become anti-China for sure. They don’t have to be. But they have become one.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
  413. Rdm says:
    @Boomthorkell

    Exactly what I have been talking about.

    Taking the Philippines and Cuba was an objectively White American decision.

    But the Philippines? Indefensible. Utterly indefensible. Same with Hawaii.

    Next time, when you hear, “We have landed on the Moon.”, always think of what constitutes biological species and their natural instinct. Your comment speaks volumes of what we have and have not done in the past.

    Moon represents a perfect planetary body to make it as a one stop station for any space faring activities. It is indeed an indispensable object in space. No humans can build an object as big as Moon and slingshot into space to make it as a relay station.

    Think of 12 Men landed on the Moon. The capabilities that we have purportedly shown to the world

    – playing golf
    – driving moon buggy
    – sending communication signals back and forth with 60s technology
    – prancing on the moon

    While no other nations out of 196 countries has capability to do so. We have come out on Top, the one and only nation on Earth that could send biological species to the Moon and welcome them back alive.

    Think of how indefensible the Moon object represented back then, especially to White men who had any capability you can imagine to conquer the world, had an immense amount of migrating experience around the globe, had a hereditary predisposition to take on unprecedented adventures more than any other races.

    After Vietnam war, we threw away the technology and completely stopped doing what we have mastered, sending Men to the Moon but jerking off to all other planetary anuses.

    If you dig more into technical details, you’d see more “indefensible” evidence.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  414. China is only what it is because of the west.
    Firstly, courtesy of the Frankfurt School, with early member Sir Bertrand Russell, teaching the Chinese students critical theory and bringing about the revolution in China and communism.
    Secondly, by sending western technological prowess and industry over to China, fooling the west into cheap, foreign imports but at a heavy cost of destruction of manufacturing and self sustainability.

    They’re building up China, so the west looks in awe at the wonders of Communist China, thinking “we want to be just like them” as it promotes 5G, mandatory vaccination, social credit and of course zero freedoms.

    Will China last?
    I doubt it.
    As stated, it is what it is because it’s been civilized western style. I’m not saying the Chinese weren’t civilized, far from it, but they’ve been indoctrinated into accepting the jewish, usury model of society.
    I have a strong feeling (and I truly hope) that there’s a revolution in China, again and they resort back to Confucianism & Buddhism (I believe it’s beginning to rise again) and cast of the attempted, jew takeover of their civilization before, that is, they obliterate them, as they’re trying to do to the Europeans.

  415. Emslander says:
    @American Citizen

    Chinese leaders must really be amazed that we are self destructing at breakneck speed.

    I doubt it. They own the media, the universities and the idiot in the White House, bought and sold with blackmail, funny money and flattery. They’ve known all along what they were up to.

    • Replies: @Dave Bowman
  416. @White Elephant

    Please buy yourself a ticket and visit China. It will be the best present you ever give yourself.

  417. There are other ways than geography and land to “conquer” people. In China’s case they would not want to occupy any country directly, in the mode of the Colonization Era of European Empires, or latter day American Empire. That involves expenditure of wealth and blood.

    Rather, today, the (((World Corporatists))) use economic dependence, transfer of ownership, and psychopathic perpetual streams of propaganda. The most insidious is the mutation of values, perception, and interpretation of Reality. This has been obvious for some time, in plain sight. The Chinese have observed and adopted the (((Chosen))) methods.

    Physical dominance is always temporary, because the inner person who is conquered and dominated remains full of hate and vengeance. Much better to change the entire psyche of the vanquished to be grateful and comply in their servitude and permanent servile status. The populations in totalitarian information societies simply are excluded from exposure and access to competing and other viewpoints, data, etc., etc. This is the present and near future of the Western World, a virtual slave colony, with imaginary and phantasmagorical choices.

    There comes a point where the trend toward the irrational, evidence-less policies become accepted as truth irreversible:

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/apr/21/101-nobel-laureates-call-for-global-fossil-fuel-non-proliferation-treaty

    101 adult children cocooned in their bubble of abstractions and narcissism. Secession for individual thinkers and truth seekers is the only alternative.

  418. John Hagan says: • Website

    The Chinese war machine. The Chinese are rediscovering their empire and soon the world will crumble particularly when the opposing military forces first clap eyes on their enemy (Satire). The most likely response will be to offer to buy them a drink, When they turn about and consider their own leaders they will be even more inclined to completely surrender. To find out why you will need a stiff drink then watch this …

  419. @littlereddot

    Maybe White Elephant has never been there, but he is not wrong in his assessment of how things got to the way they are. It was a good comment.

    I have been to China 11 times. I may never go there again, of my own decision. Bright and gleaming cities, roads, and trains aside, it is going very fast in the direction toward an Orwellian nightmare of a society.

    .

    PS: When did you last go to China, Red Dot, or do you live there?

    • Thanks: White Elephant
    • Replies: @Biff
    , @littlereddot
  420. @Rdm

    What an excellent comment! Thank you, RDM.

    After that, I will give one criticism of your previous comment. India and China have been at odds with each other for more than 1/2 a century. The animosity is nothing new.

    • Replies: @Rdm
  421. @littlereddot

    littlereddot,

    I’m not sure what you’re implying in your reply. You may be implying that China is a beautiful country or you may be implying that I’m wrong. It’s not clear.
    However, lionfish are beautiful but I don’t want to get up close. I think my reply was clear enough and therefore, I don’t need to reiterate. What I will do though, just for you, is give you a video link to an excellent video, made by Truthstream Media (who used to post a lot on YT but due to their honest videos, almost all were demonitised and they’ve stopped making as many as they used to). The video shows, as Achmed E Newman correctly states, the ‘Orwellian Nightmare’ that China’s rapidly becoming.

    What’s Your Social Credit Score?

    How anyone could advocate wanting to live in a society like that of China’s cities, is beyond me. I’m sure, off the beaten track there still exists freedom (compared to that of the Brave New World within the cities) such as that promoted within the beautiful videos of Liziqi, but China, like the rest of the world, will fall victim to the noose that’s slowly tightening itself around it, as the new world order, seeks to destroy every attempt, by the old world to maintain its freedoms, unless of course, there’s a major fightback to depose tptb intent on their great reset, world genocide and complete takeover of society and obliteration of everything that ever was.

    P.S.
    I mentioned Sir Bertrand Russell in my initial reply and I’ll state that Bertrand Russell was an advocate for China. Why? He saw in the Chinese an obedient people, who did and never questioned. In fact, they’re very much on a par with the freemason ethos – do what you’re told and don’t question why. And this is precisely why they elevated China to where she is today. On the contrary, they’re removing the world of the European peoples, because of their warrior attitude and fighting against wrong and evil. It is believed that the Europeans are the descendants of the lost tribes of Israel which makes another reason as to why tptb want their destruction. I’m not saying that the Chinese don’t fight against wrong either, but they fell easily to communism and embraced it. The Russians and the Europeans always fought against it and the world cull is predominantly aimed towards the Europeans over the other nations on this earth.

  422. Rdm says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I’m not sure if you get my sarcasm on Moon landing. If you’re serious, well, thanks.

    If not, I’m speaking from the view that we humans try to maximize our survival and grab whatever potentiality that any materials represents to us. Forgoing the potentiality of the object that is 238,000 miles away and the only people that have successfully traveled back and forth 12 times and now saying we lost the technology is the biggest humungous mother of all Bulls that unloaded their shit on this planet Earth.

    For India, since Ron was asking and I chimed in my opinion.

    My opinion is, the more India turns anti-China, the better it is for China. I do hope they turn ultra anti-China. So any person who is fighting those anti-China Indians rhetoric should tame their retort and let the nature takes it course. It will be done in 20 years.

  423. Joe Wong says:
    @Malla

    Asking you and asking the West is like asking the ones who observe ‘we lie, we cheat and we steal’ as way of life., one will simply get more lies in return.

    • Agree: d dan
    • Replies: @Malla
  424. Jokem says:
    @Franz

    Government writes all the laws, and control the money supply through the Federal Reserve.
    If Corporations did that, they would pay nothing in corporate taxes and have sky high tariffs as well as sizable export subsities.

    • Replies: @Biff
    , @Franz
  425. Jokem says:
    @Deep Thought

    ‘“In short, a century ago, the U.S. was the China of the age: an up-and-coming revisionist nation chafing against the established powers, importing and pirating what it could, free-riding on the security provided by the existing hegemon, ‘

    I have no idea what the ‘existing hegemon’ is. Security was provided by a substantial military and the 2nd amendment.

  426. roberto1 says:
    @Nick Kollerstrom

    Because China only tests people who show some promise vs the US who tests every school kid.

    • Disagree: tamo
  427. @Rdm

    If that was sarcasm, it was some type of retarded sarcasm. Sorry that I don’t have the mindset to get it.

    • LOL: Rdm
  428. Truth says:
    @Rdm

    and now saying we lost the technology is the biggest humungous mother of all Bulls that unloaded their shit on this planet Earth.

    It wasn’t even the technology that dolt from Not A Space Agency said that we lost, it was the math…

    WE…LOST…1960’s…ERA…MATH.

    • Agree: Rdm
  429. Biff says:
    @White Elephant

    and of course zero freedoms.

    What are these “freedoms” you are blathering about?

    Guess which country you are statistically most likely to get jailed in?

    Hint: It’s the same country that has the most laws. In fact it has so many laws that you are likely committing three felonies a day without even knowing it.

    Another hint: It’s the same country that kicks down more doors in SWAT raids than any other developed nation. Sovereignty anybody?

    • Replies: @Jokem
    , @White Elephant
  430. Biff says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I have been to China 11 times.

    I’ve been to the moon 12 times(because it’s the internet).

    • LOL: tamo
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  431. Biff says:
    @Jokem

    Government writes all the laws, and control the money supply through the Federal Reserve.
    If Corporations did that, they would pay nothing in corporate taxes and have sky high tariffs as well as sizable export subsities.

    Ha ha ha ha! That’s some great sarcasm.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  432. denk says:
    @Jokem

    From

    Israel has influence in the USA,

    To

    The USA is a Satrapy of Tel Aviv. USA pays tribute to it’s sovereign, not the other way round

    Takes a great leap of logic…
    not supported by facts on the ground.

    Anyone paying attention should’ve seen that Tel Aviv take order from FUKUS, not the other way around,.

    When Isreali , US interest converge, especially in ME, everybody says FUKUS is doing ISRAEL bidding,

    [MORE]

    But what happen when their interest clash, Israel always submit to US dictat.

    there are others that play in that venue.

    YOu bet.

    Len Horowitz

    Who is behind this COVID madness? I accept the risk of triggering your “conspiracy theory” buttons by identifying the widely recognized “global military-medical-petrochemical-pharmaceutical cartel” as the only suspect that can wield the powers necessary to effect these frightening outcomes.

    [1]

    MIC, Big pharma….might I also add Wall street which make a killing in this great reset.

    The deep state is crawling with crazy end times fundies and their finger print is written all over this
    covid madness.
    They craze for their own reset, where the old world is destroyed and reborn into their new world order, like a phoenix rising outta the ashes.

    Big oil has been a big influence in FUKUS policies but I dont see their role in this latest caper..

    COVID 1984
    A lie most foul.

    FUKUS
    You;r the PLAGUE of planet earth.

    [1]
    http://whale.to/a/sars2.htm

    Just my 2c/
    This would rub lots of people the wrong way.
    I welcome any input from HIQ whitey

  433. @Biff

    Uhh, but the other commenter was saying that nobody’s been to the moon. (I think.) Man has been to China, right? Otherwise I don’t know, it sure looked like China.

    • Replies: @Rdm
  434. Jokem says:
    @Biff

    Right! They kick down doors in SWAT Raids because they cannot just shoot you.
    They don’t have SWAT Raids in oppressive nations because you can be arrested and shot behind the courthouse whenever they feel like it. Thus, the people there don’t break any laws, in fact they don’t do anything which might break a law, in fact they don’t do anything which would break what just might be a law.

    • Replies: @Joe Wong
  435. It could be China built stuff too fast. These roads and bridges don’t look safe. Many look like white elephants, vanity projects. Big waste of material and labor.

    • Replies: @Malla
  436. @Biff

    How many times do people have to be told that the ”Federal Reserve’ is a consortium of private banksters?

    • Agree: Biff
  437. @Rdm

    If India ever gets a sane, non-chauvinistic, Government that co-operates with China to mutual benefit, the human world might yet be saved.

  438. Malla says:
    @Ron Unz

    those particular issues would irritate India’s elites, let alone enrage them.

    Well contrary to what many Chinese or Marxists or Islamist here say about India, India has been since its Independence, officially a Non Aligned Country but defacto a Soviet ally and quite anti-American. Indeed even back then the USA was trying to court India but India remained quite pro-USSR while India’s enemy Pakistan chose to become a staunch American ally. One more reasoning for Pakistan’s choice, besides India being pro-Soviet, was that in those days Pakistanis thought that being a nation built in the name of Allah, they could not ally with an atheist power (USSR).
    Even if after 1962 Indo-China war there were some clandestine relations with the USA (even China had similar relations after the Sino-Soviet split), most Indians considered the United States a hostile country to India. Anti-China sentiments were stronger because India had actually fought a war with China unlike the USA. But during the 1971 Bangladesh liberation Indo-Pakistan war, India was on its way to have military engagements with the (Pakistan regime supporting) USA and maybe even China but the probability of a war with China at time was lower. Both China as well as the USA were on the pro-Pakistan camp. It was only Soviet support for India which prevented any American or Chinese intervention at that time. The USA supported the West Pakistan regime even if the US consulate in Dhaka was reporting gross human rights violation and genocide by the Pakistani Army in East Pakistan/Bangladesh. The famous Blood Telegram sent by Archer Kent Blood, the American Consul General to Dhaka, Bangladesh (East Pakistan at the time). He is famous for sending the strongly worded “Blood Telegram” protesting against the atrocities committed in the Bangladesh Liberation War by the Pakistani Army. American Archer Kent Blood is considered a national hero in Bangladesh to this day.
    Nevertheless in the past till until recently, most Indians considered the USA as an extremely hostile country to India, an ally of enemy nation Pakistan and most Indians did not have high opinion of the USA as well as did not trust the USA. This is especially true even to this day (which the Americans complain about) for the old guard Indian bureaucrats (Non Aligned Movement Club). The USA even put sanctions on India when India had her nuclear tests.
    Indo-US relations began to thaw under President Clinton and kept improving under President Bush junior and under President Obama and reached its climax under President Trump who is very popular among the teeming Indian masses. Indeed just last year, after COVID, some poor Indian labourers were telling me that they are hoping Donald Trump will throw missiles on China for the hardships they were facing. They (rightly or wrongly) blamed China for the economic problems they were facing due to the COVID lock-down but they considered Donald Trump as their very own macho leader. President Trump was actually hated by a big part of the snobby Westernised Indian crowd who are the true lackeys of the West, in the sense they take their leftist views from the Western media reaching India such as the BBC, CNN, Deutche Welle, France 24 etc….
    What is strange is that Indo-US relations have been best under Republican American Governments since President George Bush Jr. Republican Governments have been far more friendly & supportive to India and sympathetic to India concerns since then than the Democrat led Governments. President Obama was treated with even more respect than George Bush Jr when he came to India but he was a disappointment. President Trump was the high point in Indo-US relations in post 1947 Indian history. And it went downhill with President Biden.
    The fact that these points with the Biden administration affect both the Indian Deep State and the Indian populace is because Indians had traditionally considered the USA extremely hostile to India and had never completely trusted it as they trusted the USSR/Russia. Before the relations could reach to that high level, it got torpedoed under the Biden administration, maybe on purpose.

  439. @White Elephant

    Bertrand Russell (he was Lord Russell, not ‘Sir’)a member of the Frankfurt School? Someone’s pulling your leg, old chap. So the Chinese Revolution only occurred because Russell made a trip to China, and Mao may or may not have attended one of his talks. The racist contempt and delusion is strong with this one.
    Chinese advances are China’s, not the West’s. Chinese have every freedom, under their laws, that any other country’s inhabitants enjoy. As for Jews, China welcomes them, as it did in the past, at least as long ago as the tang Dynasty, providing they behave nicely. As far as the Chinese are concerned, Jews are fellow humans, like the rest of us. And, regarding your observation that the Chinese are docile and obedient-you plainly know NOTHING of Chinese history.

    • Agree: Showmethereal
    • Replies: @White Elephant
  440. Malla says:
    @denk

    What the hell is Bangladesh doing here ?

    My dear denki, you do not talk about the Bangladesh state brutality on the Chittagong Till tracts mongoloid like Buddhist peoples, who seek independence from Dhaka, because Bangladesh is a good friend of China.
    Bangladeshis forget how China (and also Murica) supported the West Pakistan regime during their Independence struggle against Pakistan, Pakistani soldiers raped and genocided 2 – 3 million Bangladeshis (East Pakistanis) during that struggle. It was India with Soviet backing which supported their Shantibahini freedom fighter rebels, took in refugees and fed and sheltered them as well as the Indian Army moved in under Indian War Hero Field Marshall Sam Manekshaw. The Indian Army humiliated the Pakistani Army in the East and helped liberate Bangladesh. Bangladesh forget all that and now take China’s side against India, not understand India’s felling of having Chinese presence in South Asia , the same China who support Pakistan regime!! What lack of gratitude, such short memory, thankless job, India do for them. So many Indian soldiers die in vain for Bangladesh liberation. Poor India sacrifice blood but China eat the cream (with expensive caviar and truffle shavings) with expensive Baiju on the side. Poor average Bangladeshi cannot even afford a bottle of expensive Premium Kweichow Moutai Baiju, made in Communist China !!! To drink, in secret, away from gaze of Mullahs (even mullahs who booze in secret find it expensive). Hehe.
    But you talk about Indian Government policy in North East of India because, India is enemy of China. Chinese logic, “enemy country we criticize to high heaven, if country become friendly, suddenly overnight automatically we help bury their sins and skeletons and not talk about their sins!!! ” Wow!
    Chittagong Hill Tracts Independence Movement against Bangladesh State is Bangladesh’s North East, you not talk about it. Balochistan’s Independence Movement against Pakistan is Pakistan’s Kashmir, you not talk about them. You only love to bash poor India about Kashmiri, North East India and Khalistani Independence Struggles against India. If tomorrow India kowtow to Emperor Xi, you throw Nagas, Sikkim, Kashmiris etc… under the bus. If tomorrow Bangladesh criticize Heavenly Middle Kingdom China, you bash Bangladesh over Chittagong Hill Tracts Independence Struggle.
    Very subjective thinking and not just. But that is Chinese mentality it seems sadly.
    hehehe

  441. Franz says:
    @Jokem

    Government writes all the laws, and control the money supply through the Federal Reserve.

    Play that backwards and it’s right.

    Federal Reserve is a private corporation, and corporate lawyers draw up laws that deal with their businesses. Just talk to any American corporate lawyer. Auto, gas, trucking… politicians know nothing of this, and just take drafts from the corporations themselves and make it “law.”

    Politicians work for their corporate masters. USA for sure. Everywhere else? There’s pretty fair evidence for that too.

    • Agree: Biff
  442. Malla says:
    @Rdm

    But India has become anti-China for sure

    India became anti-China long time back. But it is an interesting phenomenon. I was just explaining to Mr. Unz about how Indian perceptions of the USA changed. Traditionally Indians always considered the USA a hostile country to India. It started thawing with Clinton and positive American perception reached its peak under President Trump only to start falling now under Bidenand as in that video about Vaccines, the host says “Indians are reminded that the USA is a hostile country”. The younger generation had become pro-USA only to realise the wisdom of the earlier generation about the USA. Trump was extremely popular, extremely liked by the masses, 100s of millions and there was chance of building total trust towards the USA only for it to crash. Poor Indians like straight forward speaking macho leaders like Donald Trump rather than pussyboy politicians speaking sweet talk, whom they inherently distrust. Even President Bush junior was very popular too. Many American leftards would question me about it. They were filled with amazement, frustration and even anger that a nation of 1 billion brown poor people loved George Bush Jr, exit polls correctly showed that India was one of the three countries with highest approval ratings for Bush Jr. LOL.
    However Indian perceptions of China is interesting too. Historically it is not China but Pakistan which was seen as the sworn enemy of the nation. China was a distant number 2. I was born in the 90s, during the 2000 to 2010 phase, Indians did not even hate China that much. CHuina was seen as rival thats all. Chinese people did not even know about any enmity about India in the past, for most of them it was news. Most mainlanders, I cam across did not know much about the 1962 war or that there is any enmity with India in the first place. One Chinese friend of mine I met in Germany when told about the negative perception China had in India was shocked. “But Why” “Warum” was his question in amazement. I was amazed that in India China is hated but in China people are oblivious. Chinese people came to know about this rivalry only a decade back. LOL.
    But as I was saying, in the 2000 -2010 period, Indians did not hate China that much and many were impressed with China’s success. Indeed if a rare Chinese sounding person was caught criticizing India, Indian online Nationalist army (scary psycho bunch) would jump in and accuse the poster for being a Pakistani using a Chinese alias. This was very common. Indeed many Indian nationalist believed that cunning slimey Pakistan and Pakistanis (who are demon pigs par excellence, Pakistan is called Porkistan in India) were fooling the straightforward innocent Chinese and China against India.
    However as China moved closer to Pakistan, just like many Chinese Wumaos/ Chinese deep State accuse India for being a sepoy of USA (which is bullshit), Indian nationalist crowds/Indian deep State started perceiving Pakistan as a colony, slave, colonial outpost, tributary state to China, which is bullshit too. So people started ignoring Pakistan, after all according to them Pakistan is not being run by Islamabad but by Beijing. And as terrorists attacks/ false flags god knows happened against India, the narrative changed to China is taking Indian money by India importing Chinese goods, and using the Pakistan Army (Indians perceive Pakistani democracy is a sham and the country Pakistan is just a private estate of the Pakistan military) to harm India.

  443. @Achmed E. Newman

    Before the covid struck. Too bad I can’t go over again till it all blows over.

    Did you speak to the locals and discuss their lives with them? Alot of them can speak english, especially the younger ones. Or if you can speak Chinese, even better. Ask them privately if they support their government or not. Then you will know what the chances are for a revolution against the CPC/CCP. They have 90% approval rating. But don’t take my word for it. Go have a beer or baijiu with some local guys, hear it from the horses mouth.

    I have been to the US many times too. The first time, I wanted to verify for myself whether the average American is a warmongering monster, as was evidenced by the actions of the US government. My conundrum was: If the US is a democracy, then the people choose the policy of the government. If the governments policy is evil, then the people must be evil too. My observations and conclusions are a matter for a separate discussion.

    But my point is that I took the effort to go to the country to verify if my own perceptions were correct. I wish more commenters would bother to at least look at both sides of the story before forming an opinion. If they can go travel and see it first hand, then even better. But simply listening to one flavour of MSM and forming a strong opinion based on that, is sure folly.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  444. Malla says:
    @Rdm

    As I was writing in my earlier post, China was never No.1 enemy of India in Indian perception but Pakistan. But the recent clashes in Galwan valley, where wither the Indian forces went over to the other side or the Chinese forces came to the Indian side, maybe to have vantage point over a road which links to a forward posy of the Indian Army which could threaten CPEC. Well After this everything changed, now China has replaced Pakistan for the first time in history in the minds of Indians as enemy No.1 and Pakistan its “lackey and whore slave” enemy No.2. Similarly when the Chinese Government released the names of the 4 PLA dead soldiers in the same clash, perceptions changed in China too. As I said, it is only recently that Chinese people started becoming aware of any enmity with India, Chinese folks looked towards the USA as enemy number 1 and the wars like the Korean War has far more importance on the Chinese conscience than some border conflict in 1962. Now many Chinese have started hating India with the kind of hate reserved fro USA and Japan. Now idiotic Indian Nationalist masses are even calling for liberating Tibet from “evul CCP control”. Many Indian nationalists say “We have nothing against Chinese people but evul CCP” Indians in general do not have any idea about the power differential in the military strengths of both the countries. And thus both the nuclear powered states become more antagonistic to each other.
    Also there are talks that the earlier Government of Congress were traitors and Chinese lackeys and not tough enough to give a “fitting reply” to “rogue State” China. Ya I know!!
    For example

    For example at 0.25 seconds Vijay Kranti says
    “Our MEA (Minstry of External Affairs) is suffering from a disease, I call it Meera Sinha Bhatacharjee Syndrome. Meera Sinha Bhatacharjee Syndrome is a disease which started with an IAS (Indian Administrative Services) officer called Meera Sinha Bhatacharjee….I pray she lives in the nice place in the heavens. ..uh…she left the job (Govt administrative), took to teaching in JNU (Jawaharlal Nehru University) and created institutions..and practically she trained MEA (Minstry of External Affairs) officers on India’s foreign policy. And the basic understanding and the basic concept of her was ‘It was not India’s interest which should prevail but China’s interest which should prevail when India makes any foreign policy’. It is very unfortunate and nobody can deny it, nobody can challenge it. Unfortunately this is what has happened if you have a frank analysis of foreign policy of India”
    Thus for Indian nationalists, our government is full of anti-national, Chinese agents and traitors!!!!!
    I guess, Nationalists and patriots are never satisfied.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  445. Malla says:
    @Priss Factor

    But Jeremy Clarkson says that those Chinese highways look well built and good quality.
    In the comment section many Westerners say that they have been on these highways and they are extremely well built.
    China has problems with some tofu construction but not everything is tofu.

  446. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    I stated wrongly a member when meaning ‘joined’ as in promoted the teachings of the Frankfurt school in his work.
    The revolution happened in China courtesy of the jew. You know communism?
    China’s advances are 100% down to the west, not China you fool. To say that China turned into the economic and manufacturing behemoth that it is because of Chinese ingenuity shows how ignorant you are to what’s going on. The products that China made were rip offs of western invention. And this was also shown by western manufacturing industries moving to China to use cheap labour for cheaper costs and far, far higher profits.
    As for jews being fellow humans like the rest of us is a debatable subject. As the bible states – “Adam was the father of man and eve THE MOTHER OF ALL LIVING” meaning, very well, that jews are not of the seed of Adam, hence why they are as they are towards those non jewish. They are a parasitical, religo-supremacist, racist cult. And yes, the Chinese are a very docile and obedient people, just as the Africans are. They are already living in a credit score society and they’ve not fought back against it. When they do, I may change my opinions of them, but they will always be a slave class. And yes, they did invite the jews in, because the jew and the Chinese are very alike. They have a love of money and making money.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  447. @White Elephant

    You seem like a reasonable guy, and genuinely inquiring, so I will invest a little bit of time to answer.

    The problem is, do you think that your sources are reliable and varied enough for you to form an opinion on China? The reliability question is especially relevant in this climate of hostility between US/China. There are surely personal and or state agendas at play here.

    If your two kids are arguing and one accuses the other of something, will you punish the accused without at least hearing his story first? I think you have done this with China. You have listened to solely Western sources and judged China on this.

    From your posts, it is evident that you have never visited China, much less spoken with the locals and shared a meal and a good chat with them. That is why I urge you to go see for yourself.

    See whether their country is really an Orwellian hell hole. See whether they support their government. If I told you that the CCP has 90% approval would you believe me? Probably not, you would probably say that I am a CCP paid Wumao, or those figures are fudged by a lying Communist regime. So go, see for yourself. And you will know that the present government is not going to be overthrown anytime soon.

    As for Chinese docility, and China’s rise being a result of the kindness of West, these are discussions for another day.

    But I will leave you with one thought.

    China has seen the rise and fall of many empires. Greeks, Romans, Parthians, Arabs, Mongols, Spanish, Dutch, English and lastly US. Now Americans say that China is only around because of the West? I can only just smile to myself.

  448. @Biff

    You don’t know much about laws and legislation do you Biff? I suggest you educate yourself on the differences between Common law and Roman law/Civil law/Admiralty law/Maritime law/law of the Sea/Contract law.
    One deals with the living and the other the dead. Can you guess which?
    Everything that is unlawful is illegal, but everything that is illegal is not unlawful. You fail to understand that we do not live in a nation full of laws, but instead a nation full of OFFENSES. Do not confuse the two.

    Do you realize, for example, that there are NO drug laws in the USA/UK/Europe or any other part of the western civilization? There are Drug Acts but there are no laws. Were there actual Drug Laws, you would not be able to distribute ANY drug, regardless. Selling alcohol, cigarettes, cough medicine, flu remedies etc, would land you in jail.

    A crime is ONLY a crime when there’s an injured party. If you steal from, assault, murder another you are committing a crime. You are breaking God’s law and to understand God’s law, it’s in the commandments and there’s no better guide to self preservation than this.
    People in the west, completely fail to see that they are continually contracting with the police and landing themselves in hot water because of it. People also fail to see that the police, in enforcing Roman Canon Law/Admiralty law, thus contracting with people, are breaking the common law. In fact, any policeman, of late who has arrested any man/woman for an offense, in doing so has committed a breach of the peace, assault, kidnap and false imprisonment. Every police man/woman walking is guilty by default, along with every member of the judiciary, who has either committed theft from a member of the public and broken the commandment of ‘thou shalt not steal’ as well as having had that member of the public incarcerated.

    I’m not saying that westerners are free, far from it, but they’re a hell of a lot more free than the Chinese, who’ve been living under communism for the last 70 years. There is very little crime in China because communists get rid of criminals very quickly as they’re a threat to the state. You’ll most likely disappear, before you even make it into a court room in China and the west is headed down the same path. It’s also the very reason why, the soon to be sworn in, Kamala Harris (as president), will bring war against China, Russia and Iran, because the US is about to be invaded by the Chinese, who’ll murder most of the population, take the land for themselves and those who are left will end up in gulag style cities in China, already built for their incarceration.

    • Replies: @denk
  449. Rdm says:

    @Malla,

    I have a few suggestions to your prose. In academic writing, your writings will be dismissed immediately. Of course we’re here bantering about our prejudice, but it’s very difficult to follow your thought. I first thought of you being somewhat of mixed race but I came to observe so many posters here and their potential racial background based on their writings. I don’t want to sound utterly biased, but it looks like you are indeed Indian based on the way you write: all jumbled up, very verbose, occasionally making sense.

    1. If you use a tab or 4-letter space in the beginning of a paragraph, it’s good to use a justified version of the paragraph.

    2. If you just begin your paragraph at the leftmost indentation, it’s better to leave the paragraph align left.

    3. Every paragraph needs a line in between to make it appear as a chunk of paragraphs which represents your arguments/statement based on a couple of factors or facts.

    4. Most posters here use the version 2, left aligned. It’s easier to read and follow one’s thought.

    Thanks for your observation on Indian perspective on China. I don’t know that one Chinese guy you met in Germany was completely clueless to international politics or he just didn’t want to share his opinion, especially since you’re Indian. All Chinese if you push subtly and if they think you are trustworthy, will tell you all their knowings. They damn well know the war between India and China. In fact they will even tell you that Chinese troops were treating Indian POW good, just like Pakistani troop treat a very good chai Tea to Abhinandan.

    • Replies: @Malla
  450. @littlereddot

    I think, when it comes to China, that the cities are most certainly Orwellian hell holes, with a lot of government control. I also linked, above in my reply to you, Liziqi, a Chinese woman who lives a remote life in the country. That’s the China I think of.
    I do know that there is a rise in nationalism of late and the Chinese are very particular about the keeping and promotion of their culture and traditions. That’s for sure, as can be seen in Chinese cinema. They hold onto it dear, which can’t be said for the west. Nonetheless, the video I linked, by Truthstream Media, shows the state of affairs in China. And this is growing. China is very much a communist country.

    I will finish by saying that China doesn’t exist because of the west. That’s an ignorant statement to make. The China of TODAY exists because of the west, most notably the jew, for communism and the transportation of western industry and technology and exploitation of the workforce.

    • Replies: @littlereddot
  451. @littlereddot

    Thanks for the civil reply, Mr. Dot. I don’t get that out of the usual 10-centers who pop up whenever China is discussed.

    I have found out about the real situation in China both from being there and from knowing well Chinese people both in America and China who are close enough to talk honestly. It’s the latter, really, that has enlightened me more, but there’s nothing like seeing what really goes on there too.

    I take if from what you wrote that you are from neither America nor China. I know America, of course. It’s never been a democracy, and it was never SUPPOSED TO BE a democracy. Don’t feel bad, as the majority of Americans don’t know what a Constitutional Republic is either. ;-} How would they, seeing as it’s been destroyed, slowly at first (Lincoln’s time to L.B. Johnson’s time) then quickly.

    I don’t blame the good patriotic, that is Constitution-loving, Liberty-loving Americans, for what “their”, haha, Feral Government does. That is the same as I didn’t blame your average Russian for the misery and stupidity of the Communist USSR, and the Chinese people – in general – for the actions of tthe butcher Chairman Mao. That’s why the Founders of our country set out to create a place in which the government did not have much power. Hey, they did the best they could. Nobody else in the history of the world has ever done better. It has failed in the long run, I guess expectedly.

    I agree completely with your last paragraph. Fred Reed here thinks he knows all about China from his 2-3 week tourist trip there and the rest from surfing the sites he likes on the internet. That’s why he is often full of shit.

    • Replies: @littlereddot
  452. Rdm says:

    @denk,

    You and I have never come across eyes to eyes. But it looks like you’re Chinese. Most of the time, to be honest, I skipped your comment because, well it’s the way you wrote. You have many information/links that you want to share. But they do look like spamming the entire thread. Nobody will go up to your given links and peruse the information.

    If you have some really good facts, use the hyperlink, prime with the intro and then drop it in later. It looks like you’re not arguing on good faiths, you’re throwing out so many links here and there, “Hey you’re wrong. See this link.”, “FUKUS, this is what you have done. See this link.”

    Giving you the benefit of the doubt, you can be a good poster here.

  453. Rdm says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    The reason I frequent Unz here is I want to read the reality instead of fakery spread by MSM these days. As I said earlier, I predict that majority of Americans will be reading the news that is completely different from what’s happening on the ground and they will be blue-pilled hard that you can’t remove the protective layer to seek the truth.

    The same goes for Peakstupidity as well. I was giving the benefit of the doubt and thought your another webzine was some portals to learn, but turns out another anti-China enclave as well. Orwellian society?

    1. You’d need FICO score above 650 to rent a house in America.

    2. You’d need two letters of recommendation in good faith from your employer and colleagues to rent an apartment in co-op building.

    3. You’d need two letters of acquaintances to vouch your sanity to buy a gun in America.

    What are you talking about social credit system? If you want to bash China, use some other tactics or credible facts. As I observed over so many years, it all comes down to this.

    You sniff your own farts and thought it smell pleasant. But you publicly denounce that Chinese farts smell. Yes, I couldn’t find any best analogy that convey the meaning down to the core. Chinese are not god given people either. They do some sneaky stuff for sure. But it’s not like Americans are exempt from all the atrocity and war crimes for the last 100 years. If you don’t want to live in Chinese society like Orwell predicted long ago, why bother?

    I don’t think you’d get my reference above. “Remove protective layers to seek the truth” was spoken at the White House by the very first man who allegedly landed on the Moon. But he never pronounced the world the Moon in this inaugural acceptance at the White House.

    You didn’t get my sarcasm earlier because you weren’t invested in this discovery and busy with Orwellian society. When I said the technology available only to White men, I didn’t mean to downplay the achievement of White race. It was indeed the epitome of our mankind to land on the surface of other planetary object. But it all turned out indefensible when it comes to technical aspects and after all biological instinct as well.

    That’s why I said “Tame down your arrogance from 60s”. Truth is about to come out once China goes more and more space exploration.

  454. Fred is attaching too much weight to the nuances of semiconductor production. Let’s look at some more basic measures (pun intended).

    1. Concrete production (pretty concrete as they say). China 2300 million tons. US 89 million tons. Ouch.
    2. Steel production. China 1064.8 million tons. US 72.7 million tons.
    3. Coal production. China 3902 million tons. US 484.7 million tons.
    4. Electric power production. China 7,503,400 GWh. US 4,286,600 GWh

    Is the US ahead in other areas? Yes, it is.

    1. Oil production – US 11.307 MBD. China 3.889 MBD.
    2. Natural gas production – US 30.774 BCF. China 5.839 BCF.
    3. Wood. US is roughly 20% of the world. China is roughly 10% of the world.

    Food production is obviously very important. However, China and the USA grow very different crops making comparisons difficult. It appears that China and the USA produce about the same amount of food.

    Overall, electric power production provides a reasonable measure of total economic activity. Using electric power as a measure, China is well ahead of the US but not 26X larger (as concrete production would indicate). Note that the power data match the CIA, IMF, and World Bank estimates of the size of China’s economy compared to the US.

    Another point is that China is far ahead of the US in all of the other metals (Copper, Nickel, Aluminum, etc). For example, China produces 32.55 times as much Aluminum as the US.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  455. Rdm says:

    Blue Pill hard

  456. John H says:
    @frankie p

    You were doubtless brilliant at True-False tests.

    The fact that the US and UK and most western European powers are today controlled by an insidious outsider tribal group is not in dispute. That was not my point.

    Perhaps instead of A or B you should consider both A and B and….C D E etc.

    Physical control of territory is a feature of colonialism and analogous only to….physical control of territory. It would be intriguing if Russian and/or Chinese warships patrolled the Pacific and Atlantic, in international waters of course.

  457. China is destroying us from within by sending billions of dollars every year to the american media and academia and the DNC to encourage diversity. The chinese know that mixing races and languages and cultures is death to a society.

  458. @Malla

    fears and insecurities triggered a lot of imperial conquests.

    That’s an interesting statement and the examples you give illustrate it quite well. It is consistent with my own feeling that Anglo-Saxon societies are very much driven by fear: millitary expenditures in the US, loss of the freedom of speech, sales of guns to individuals in the US. The whole US foreign policy is based on the fear of anything different. Now everyone fears Xi JinPing. So the Australian government and others are”anxious” and cultivate their anxieties with all kinds of useless naval exercises and whatever they can think of to “slow down” those they fear.

    Dialogue and openness of mind are generally good against fear.

    • Replies: @Malla
  459. Rest assured Chinese will never dominate English.

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
  460. Joe Wong says:
    @Jokem

    You have a nice excuse to whitewash your own crime by fabricating some crimes that somebody else is doing worse than you.

    • Replies: @Jokem
  461. @Rdm

    The same goes for Peakstupidity as well. I was giving the benefit of the doubt and thought your another webzine was some portals to learn, but turns out another anti-China enclave as well. Orwellian society?

    Whatdjya’ do, read one post? I just counted, and there are 129 post out our site with the China Topic Key. Of those, there are plenty of favorable posts and plenty of unfavorable, but as we noted in A Peak Stupidity apology to our Chinese readers, the site is mostly about American and Western World stupidity. China is not exempt from stupid, high average IQ notwithstanding.

    Our most recent post with something to do with China is very favorable, in fact, and it is a personal anecdote from time I spent there over a decade ago. It’s on immigration, and it’s the very last post in the list – did you click, or is there a reading problem here?

    Here it is – Chinese Immigration NON-Stupidity. Dude, you could have just read the title to get the idea.

    Personal experience in China with a sick kid (just the hives) resulted in the following posts called “Chinese Free Market Healthcare”: Intro/Current American Circus – – Modern China Experience – – Chinese Free Market, – – Postscript. After talking with Chinese folks in hindsight, I realized that it’s not completely free market, but it was a damn good experience.

    So, that’s a complete lie about the Peak Stupidity and China.

    Fireworks from China is a post about the Chinese resistance to Eminent Domain abuse vs. Americans’, and it’s fairly favorable toward the Chinese side. There’s another post about a comparison of China from both an actual touching anecdote from a close Chinese friend’s family, along with a review of a movie involving wife kidnapping too – A China and China vs. American police states. The latter too, is somewhat favorable to the Chinese way.

    So, that’s a complete lie of yours about the Peak Stupidity writing on China.

    1. You’d need FICO score above 650 to rent a house in America.

    Bullshit. I’ve rented to people with no credit check – most were good – one middle aged couple was the worst. I’ve rented myself with no credit check.

    2. You’d need two letters of recommendation in good faith from your employer and colleagues to rent an apartment in co-op building.

    I have no idea about these co-op buildings. There aren’t any near me – sounds like a NY City and Berzerkly, California thing. Maybe try another one ..?

    3. You’d need two letters of acquaintances to vouch your sanity to buy a gun in America.

    Bullshit, or I should I say, at least not yet, if WE have anything to do with it. I’ve bought guns without anyone but the buyer and I knowing – perfectly legal. I’ve bought a gun with the background check. No doubt it’s not information that “goes away”, so I don’t like it. “Letters of aquaintances”? What the hell are you smoking, buddy?

    It’s very obvious that you don’t know jack squat about America, RDM. Yes, we are going in the wrong direction. Yes, China is going Orwellian fast. Back 15 years ago, the first time I saw the place, I saw it as the “Wild, Wild, East” and was pretty excited about it.

    About 10 ago, it became obvious that one could surf the web without an ID at the cafe (I didn’t partake – I got a signal off a router nearby – it wasn’t very good… Then, things went from a “Cash is King” economy (I was lovin’ it) the first time I was there to the phone payments within just over a decade. You can have plenty of cell phones, but the card to run them is kept track of. There’s lots of bad stuff going on, whether you personally like to hear about it or not.

    I didn’t even need to write this post refuting your 3 points, as any American would know you’re full of it there. However, if you are going to say you’ve read Peak Stupidity on China when you didn’t, that’s a lie I need to counter.

    I can’t even trust, at this point, that you know your ass from a hole in the ground, RDM, much less know about China, and much less, America. You never even told us what country the basement you are writing from is in.

    • LOL: Rdm
  462. @Rdm

    LOL is the new “I’m going home!”, I guess, at least from the younger crowd. From me, it means “that was pretty damn funny!”

  463. denk says:

    malla

    enemy country we criticize to high heaven, if country become friendly, suddenly overnight automatically we help bury their sins and skeletons and not talk about their sins!!! ” Wow!

    Thats the five liars philosophy dummy !

    graham69 the Indian has been frothing at the mouth on that ‘commie hell hole’ in China.

    [MORE]

    Im simply telling him to look in the mirror
    charity start at home.

    What the hell has it to gotta do with Bangla ?

    LIke smith, you’r just full of it.

    HEHEHEH

    —————–
    RDM

    you can be a good poster here.

    To be honest
    I rate myself as must read.

    My format….the gold standard .

    A concise summary,
    smoking gun highlighted.
    with links as supporting footnotes,.

    Everyday you see five liars idiots here
    dumping links and even hour long videos
    at us …

    Look , this is your evil CCP

    i Skip all that craps.

    Is your post a case of mistaken identity. ?

    • Replies: @Malla
  464. Malla says:
    @Joe Wong

    Your comment is as idiotic as all your comments. Some people are more susceptible to brainwashing and re-education than others.
    I repeat.
    It are the non West and non Jap world who are super experts, experts par excellence in covering up their own sinful pasts while making wild allegations at others.
    The problem comes when two non West, non Jap societies clash into each other, each side hiding their sins and making wild allegations at each other, as is their true nature. I eat pop corn, watch and laugh. Very amusing how these clashes go.

    • Troll: d dan
    • Replies: @Joe Wong
    , @Malla
  465. Malla says:
    @denk

    OK denki, I understand your point. Cool.

  466. vox4non says:
    @Smith

    The assertion that the Chinese has switched language while Vietnamese have remained the same has got to be one of the most ill-informed and ludicrous.

    Chữ-nôm (Chinese based script) was used until it was replaced by Quốc Ngữ (a romanised Latin alphabet based script). Vietnamese has changed from a logogram (written or pictorial symbol that is used to represent an entire word) to become a phonogram (combination of letters that represent a sound). The fundamental structure has been altered, like changing a dog into a cat; both are mammals, four legs, give birth to live young but are they the same? Also, more importantly, the nature of evolving words and incorporating words have changed. For a logogram, it may either address the nature of the word or use similar sounding words. For a phonogram, there is only the option of using similar sounding words to describe it.

    In the change to a phonogram, there is a definite risk of pronunciation alteration with region. Like in English, the word cup is pronounced in standard English rhyming with “carp”. However, in Northern England, it’s pronounced as “coop”. As such, for a phonogram, changing the sounds change the meaning doesn’t it? Plus, accounting for the regional differences in the North, Central and South Vietnam, how sure are you of the changes that have taken place?

    For a logogram like Chinese, the meaning can be carried independently of the pronunciation, which allows for flexibility in pronunciation. Which is one reason why Chinese is recognised as one of the oldest continuing script where an evolution in writing and speech can be seen. In fact, it is argued that in the Tang dynasty, the pronunciation was based on the Min-nan dialect (Fujian) and that it changed to the Mandarin dialect (Beijing) in the later centuries. How has that been a change as radical as Vietnamese from a logogram to a phonogram?

    Khitan script? Do you mean Manchu script? Have you seen it incorporated into Chinese? Or has it become a loanword, which is a world of difference. Like English that has incorporated words like bungalow, amok and kowtow. Do the inclusion of such words mean that English has changed or has it expanded its vocabulary?

    And the reasoning that because it remains the same sounding? Ever heard of the term false cognates? That is, the appear the same but mean different things. For example, the Spanish ”actual” can be confused with the English word “actual” but it means current. (E: actual = S: verdadero).

    Essentially, meaning in a phonogram is derived from sounds. Change that sound, the meaning changes. Meaning in a logogram is derived from the visual form, with/without an equivalent sound. Change the sound, the meaning can still be retained.

    Vietnamese had made a fundamental switch from a logogram (Chữ-nôm) to a phonogram (Quốc Ngữ) and you claim that it hasn’t changed? Are you sure you aren’t living in denial?

    Seriously, is your antipathy towards China so great that it is creating a psychosis to disparage anything Chinese? Or are you like someone who is so disappointed in his heritage that he despises his parentage (like those mixed-race kids that end up hating one parent’s culture). Regardless, congratulations – China is living rent-free in your head.

    • Agree: d dan
    • Replies: @Deep Thought
    , @Smith
  467. @White Elephant

    A pig ignorant, hard Right, racist moron, insulting white elephants, which are sacred animals.

    • Replies: @White Elephant
  468. @Malla

    Indian jingos, chauvinists, Hindutva fascists and wannabe ‘honorary White Men’, really pissed off that China has so outdone India over the last seventy years, despite India having three centuries of English ‘Mission civilatrice’. ‘But we play cricket, old boy!!!’. Sad and pathetic.

    • Replies: @Malla
  469. Malla says:
    @Jokem

    India is pro-India

    Yes exactly. Bingo. You expressed reality in short and to the point. Well said.
    Unlike most posters here.

  470. @White Elephant

    Are you curious to know if Truthstream media is reliable? Perhaps it would be revealing to yourself to verify if what they are saying is correct? Or are they in some way biased?

    Once you verify, you will know if Littleredot is blowing smoke up your backside, or maybe, just maybe that Truthstream was manipulating you.

    Communism is not the sum total of China. Realise that communism is so readily acceptable to the Chinese because their pre-existing culture complements it. China has been communist only 70 years. But it has been Confucian 2500 years. Which one do you think has a greater impact on the Chinese psyche and collective cultural memory?

    From one of your earlier posts, you mentioned Confucianism together with Buddhism. It appears that you equate Confucianism to be some kind of religion. It is not. It is a philosophical framework which advocates a certain relationship between individuals, and between individuals and the state. Confucianism doesn’t care if a government is communist or not. It does care about the relationship between the government and the people.

    It would also be helpful to use Chinese concepts to understand the Chinese. It is impossible to understand China if one is limited to concepts like Capitalism/Communism/Fascism. You would only be scratching the surface.

    The first places to start would be see what Confucianism is. You will then understand why the populations in countries like China, Korea, Japan and Vietnam all seem to be able to cooperate so well with their governments.

    See how it fits with the 3000 year old social contract between ruler and ruled called the Mandate of Heaven (You can contrast this with the European concepts of the Magna Carta, and the Divine Right of Kings). In a nutshell, the Mandate of Heaven does not care how the ruler got his position. His legitimacy is entirely based on how he performs, i.e. does the country prosper or not.

    After this, you might be able to discern why the CCP is regarded as simply the latest dynasty after a long line of rulers of China. This government has raised their standard of living in ways none of them could have ever dreamed. In this respect you can understand how 90% of Chinese support it.

    Neo, are you ready to take the red pill?
    If so, maybe you would like to see this video. It is only 12 minutes long.

  471. @Priss Factor

    Is this the same Hanania?

    {China’s true menace is neither military nor geopolitical, but rather ideological. Its continuing success, even if it in no way harms the prosperity or security of most Americans, poses a major threat to the American political establishment, how it justifies its own power, and its understanding of the U.S. role in the world.}

    {… It is also consistent with the arguments of the most honest kind of “China hawk,” who argues that the real problem with Beijing is not that it wants to dominate the world, but that it might stop the U.S. from doing so in a unipolar manner.}

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/china-real-threat-america-ruling-ideology/5733887

    {Yet it is important that we not fool ourselves into believing Trump fundamentally changed U.S. foreign policy, nor that the results of the last election will transform the U.S. role in the world. America will find itself in the coming years taking a less dominant place in international affairs — but not because of the outcome of this election or the last one. Instead, this transition is taking place because geopolitical and economic realities, mainly the rise of China, are forcing that course upon Washington.}

    {The rise of China creates new economic and geopolitical realities that cannot be wished away. In the coming years, American leaders will have to realize that the days of unilaterally isolating rogue regimes at will are over, and the future of East Asia will depend more on what happens in Beijing than in Washington.

    The ultimate danger is in refusing to accept such realities, and pursuing policies that seek to maintain U.S. hegemony but will only result in crippling trade disputes or even war. Preventing such worst-case scenarios should be the goal of those who desire a less militarized and aggressive American foreign policy. In the long run, restraint will either be accepted by leaders in Washington and, hopefully, managed well, or ultimately be forced upon them.}

    https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/china-not-biden-picks-antony-blinken-jake-sullivan-will-dictate-ncna1248683

  472. @Achmed E. Newman

    @Achmed E. Newman

    Mr Newman, I usually don’t respond to the ridiculous commenters. But you and your considered as well as civil posts are clearly the exception.

    Why I respond to the posts about China, is because I see a clear wrong happening here. This is going in the same direction as the lead up to the Iraq war in 2003. I don’t know if you remember or observe western media, but there is a modus operandi at work.

    1 First a country found that has some resource or has angered the US in some way
    2 The rulers are demonised and accused of some crime against his own people
    3 A trumped up event is used to galvanise support in the US and its allies/vassals
    4 Then a war starts to save the poor brown or yellow people from their evil rulers

    The big difference this time, as opposed to Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, is that the intended victim has the means to unleash nuclear weapons.

    We who observe the United States do not understand how the people (mostly decent and good people, albeit somewhat naive) can be led to war over some spurious pretext over and over and over again. They know their government tells lies. But somehow on the foreign affairs front, they believe everything that their government and intelligence agencies tell them. Cognitive dissonance no?

    In Iraq alone, there have been ONE MILLION Iraqi deaths. When Americans speak about it, they quote the billions of dollars that are spent. Or the thousands of patriotic servicemen who have died. Precious few Americans even think about he million brown skinned towel heads who have been killed in the “mistake”.

    China is no Iraq. The lives of your children and mine depend on Americans knowing this.

    Save the world, open the eyes of the Americans.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  473. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    You are rather dim aren’t you?
    The true, political spectrum is as follows:

    communism – socialism – liberalism – conservatism – anarchy

    So yes, I wear that badge with pride (hard/far/extreme right) because anyone called hard/far/extreme right opposes the left and more importantly judaism/zionism/communism/globalism.

    But racist?
    First off, the jews aren’t a race. They’re a mongrel breed of many races. Maybe this is one of the main reasons behind their promotion of mass immigration into the west, because they simply hate the thought of others, not being the mongrels they are?
    Secondly, do I hate other races? No, I disagree vehemently in shoving them all together, in order that they eventually go for each others’ throats, as the natural drive to protect their own culture and/or enforce theirs on others occurs.
    And pig ignorant? Moi? Seriously Mulga, you are rather dim. I corrected myself in stating that Bertrand Russell (and no I’m not going to address the w*nker with any pronoun) was a member of the Frankfurt School when I meant to say that he promoted their ideals in his teachings. And yes, he did go to China and bring about the communist revolution.

    So Mulga, here’s a hint of advice, stay away from being subjective in debate.
    No, I don’t like the jews for many reasons. I wish them no harm, but see, overwhelmingly, that in order for the world’s peoples to live in peace, they have to be removed, put on an island of their own and never allowed to meddle in the affairs of non jews. And that would include you, because you do come across as one of the hook noses, or if not, certainly a shabbo.

    • Replies: @Malla
  474. @BluEidDvl

    The seven million Jews collapsing America to achieve White Genocide are not “our people”.

  475. @littlereddot

    It is warming to find civil debate in todays day and age, to those with opposing view points, but my points have been made and it’s clear we’re both at loggerheads with one another.

    You understand my points, there’s no need to repeat myself. We’re just going to have to agree to disagree.

    Oh and thanks for the red pill offer but I’ll decline as I took that over thirty years ago. And yes, I know only too well of the msm doctoring of the videos/pictures to promote their agenda. There are many such examples in the promotion of the holocaust.

    China is the product of the merger of communism and capitalism as was the agenda from day one. This is explained in the G Edward Griffin interview, with Norman Dodd, back in 1982.

    Tax Exempt Foundations

    We disagree littlereddot, but you won’t sway me from my stance. The Chinese, like the Europeans (including the Russians) are firmly under the control of the jew bankers.
    You will find this interesting:

    Bertrand Russell and China During and After His Visit in 1920

    Bertrand Russell was seen as a ‘friend’ of the Chinese and spoke of the mistreatment and prejudice of the British looking down upon them (the British people or the aristocracy and jew bankers?). He also warned as well of China becoming imperialist, which was precisely the plan of the jew from day one. It did it with Britain. It did it with the USA. And now it’s doing it with China.
    It’s interesting to note as well that China has seemed to have forgotten the Opium Wars, that is the flooding of China, with opium, as part of the Rothschild plan to control it. Of course, they failed, but realized later on that they’ll just bring about a cultural revolution to control the Chinese and it worked (Karl Marx was a distant cousin of the Rothschilds, who asked him to invent an ideology to subvert socialism and voila, communism). They built them up to what they are today, through the exploitation of the workforce (on a par with precisely what the Rothschilds did, flooding the UK with cheap corn, to bring about poverty and drive people from the country, into the city, to work in their factories and staff their industrial revolution).

    China’s rise is there for one reason and one reason only – to be a tool of the jew, to destroy the European. Guaranteed, they’ll certainly find a way to mix into the Chinese bloodline and have mixed race jewish/Chinese in positions of power and authority, to destroy the Chinese, when they begin to awaken and see the manipulation of their people by the jews.

    I truly hope that the Chinese cast out communism and littlereddot, as much as you will disagree, China is a communist state and would not be what it is, without it and the treachery of the jews and their shabbos goy towards the Europeans.
    I would also note that in my reply to you, you will see that I included a link to Liziqi and it is through her that I see what China is and what I hope it to be. I do not want China to continue down the road it is, a vassal of international Jewry. It is clear, for all to see that it is becoming an imperialist power and is destined, courtesy of the jew, to take over from the US as the world’s superpower.

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  476. Malla says:
    @Yevardian

    But you really need to tone it down with the videos, in addition to being low-info density, many commenters post exclusively from work and can’t watch them anyway.

    Thank you for pointing that out to me. I have the same problem i.e. I post comments in between work. And thus I have to type, paste etc… very fast in between work. That is why I never get time to check my posts and thus my posts have a lot of typos and mistakes. There are times that videos can explain what I want to much easily. But your point did occur to me, so I at times do type out the conversations in the videos I post. Of course this is a time taking task and there are always the risks of mistakes at the speed that I type. But thanks anyways.

  477. Malla says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    If you think Hindutva goes with honorary White men, you are a prime grade crackpot. Which you are. Hindutva is primarily an anti-colonial project version 2. People do not realise this but Hindutva is primarily a de-Westernisation project before it is a de-Islamisation project. Hindutva aims to de-Westernise Indian society as much as possible as well as de-Islamise and de-Christianise Indian society. As well as DeMarxify Indian society as well as it considers Marxism (along with Leninism and Maoism) as a foreign import which should have no place in India. Hindutva aims to “Indianise” Indian Muslims and Christians further. In my opinion, both those communities are pretty Indianised in general but it is not to the benchmark of the Hindutvas. It plans to do what Chinese did to the Hui, with Indian Muslims. If you do not understand this, you do not understand Hindutva and India.
    Hindutva is de-colonsation part 2, decolonisation and de-Westenisation (old school Victorian Anglo westernization) in India inevitably leads to Hindutva, there is no other way. They were originally inspired a bit by Italian Fascism and German national Socialism, but they are a different beast as they are also pro-Zionist.
    Basically hindutvas, islamists and Communists are to a large extend driven by the same emotions.
    namely, hatred and jealousy towards Western civilization, White people, especially Northern Europeans, their looks and mannerisms, European style Christianity, Western culture and in some cases Japanese culture and Japanese mannerisms.
    That is it.
    At the end of the day Hindutvas, Commies and Islamists are all in the same gang, Islamists upto some extent share it with Jews who too hate the above. I am not saying that this the entirety of the emotions (anti-West) which drive them, there are other factors too.

    Sure there is jealousy towards China, I do not deny it but Indians (even Muslims and Christians) look at China (rightly or wrongly) as a Imperialist Colonial country, and they place China in the same basket as the British Empire. China is not fighting India’s Colonial mentality but Communist China is facing India’s anti-colonial mentality gone on steroids. Basically both China and India in their anti-colonial mentality on steroids, have clashed straight into each other.

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  478. Malla says:
    @White Elephant

    First off, the jews aren’t a race. They’re a mongrel breed of many races. Maybe this is one of the main reasons behind their promotion of mass immigration into the west, because they simply hate the thought of others, not being the mongrels they are?

    Bingo!! Exactly. Blunt Truth. Heart of the matter.

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  479. @littlereddot

    China is no Iraq. The lives of your children and mine depend on Americans knowing this.

    I’m pretty sure most normal Americans know this, Mr. Dot. You shouldn’t mistake the neocon talking heads on TV for normal Americans. Now, you may rightly say that lots of non-thinking “patriotic” Americans are all “rah, rah, rah”, “USA! USA!”, “Kick their asses!”, following the lead of said Neocons. Even the uninformed Americans are not stupid. They may still believe we have some kind of right to be upset for a ship or aircraft being harassed in the S. China Sea, but they know better than to think any real war with China would be just the next Grenada invasion.

    Hell, we’d be calling for cease-fires due to waiting on aircraft and missile parts – from China!

    What you might be mistaking for war-mongering is the totally rightful start of a “trade war”, but really just an effort to keep from falling one half a Trillion dollars a year more in debt to China. Trump started that to help America, and that pissed off the Chinese, because they were use to the completely unfair trade conditions that American politicians gave them starting in the mid-1990s. We have to do something about that, though Zhou Bai Dien will fold due to blackmail of his reckless idiot son.

    This is one thing that Americans DON’T understand yet, Mr. Dot, but really should. Per one of my 6 links up above somewhere, a decades worth of trade deficits give China the dollars to buy up all of the good US farmland.

    Americans need to think hard on this. China doesn’t need a military war. They can take over this place economically, and buy it up piece by piece in a fire sale, when the US economy implodes due to the creation of new Trillions of dollars yearly backed with nothing. Note that I wrote when, not if.

    Thanks for the nice reply.

    .

    PS: Regarding the “brown people” killed and maimed that most Americans – and you are right here – don’t care about. I’ve heard many military guys rationalizing it with “they live in the stone age. They f__k little boys. The women are treated like …”, etc. That is rationalization. It makes them feel better about it.

  480. @vox4non

    … is your antipathy towards China so great that it is creating a psychosis to disparage anything Chinese?

    That is what I have detected in Smithie. You have summarized everything in a single sentence.

  481. Joe Wong says:
    @Malla

    Read it again “Asking you and asking the West is like asking the ones who observe ‘we lie, we cheat and we steal’ as way of life., one will simply get more lies in reply.”

    You are proving what you are, the one who observe ‘we lie, we cheat and we steal’ as way of life.

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  482. Malla says:
    @Malla

    In so many of my comments I see this.
    Troll:d dan.
    Is this some feature on Unz displaying who the troll of the page is or something? Is this some warning about some troll named d dan? What is dis about?

    • Troll: Mulga Mumblebrain
  483. @White Elephant

    why would a people that suffered such poverty under the demented empire that it ground stones (stone cold soup) to survive ever willingly subject itself to such cruel rape yet again, rather than work diligently to free itself?

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  484. @emersonreturn

    Maybe the same reasons why the Scots and the Irish, who lived under the persecution of the English for so many centuries, went over to the North America and became slaves?
    Maybe the same reasons the French fought for Liberté, égalité, fraternité only to have their heads lopped off by the guillotine?
    Maybe the same reasons that the Russians let the Bolsheviks in, who ended up killing them en masse?

    I don’t know what the answer is. Maybe they believed that communism offered them freedoms that they never had before. The Chinese have simply given the leash to the jew, instead of their own aristocracies whom they got rid of.

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  485. Smith says:
    @vox4non

    I’m almost sure of it, because mandarin doesn’t sound like other languages that are influenced by ancient chinese at all (vietnamese and japanese). And yes, mandarin is born out of the period when Jin occupied Northern song and heavily influenced by khitdan language.

    Most viets in the medieval age are illiterate, we only know how to speak, not to write, which is why the spread of Latin alphabets in Viet Nam was so quick and effective.

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  486. @littlereddot

    thank you for a fascinating summation. i wonder we proud individualists, inheritors of the divine right of kings, ever managed to conjoin the myth of individualism beneath a sketchy canopy of feudalism/capitalism (or the continuation of the divine right of oligarchs) as the distinguishing flag separating east & west. moreover that our individualism is due to the grace & divinity of our ‘system’ rather than the mandate of heaven & proudly, non-sensically choose to suffer its abuses, neither wondering nor reasoning that a ruler incapable of caring for their flock will be removed either by the flock or heaven.

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  487. @White Elephant

    we are fortunate indeed to witness in the upcoming decades whether your observations & conclusions are prescient. personally, i anticipate the chinese, as well as the russians, iranians & syrians, can see & taste victory & are not going to succumb once more to the boot of the demented empire. i simply don’t see what’s in it for them?

  488. the USA has an elite class that is obsessed with Lysenkoism

    this manifests itself in trying to promote niggers as equals of whites.

    nobody cares about any other racial gap. they only acknowledge two races, oppressor and oppressed- this is the simplification of the dialectic.

  489. Dong is wrong. The deep state doesn’t rule America. It manages America. But it takes orders from the real rulers of America, the Jewish Elites who control the money, media, and the gods.

  490. @Joe Wong

    You forgot ‘…we suck blood out of others’. And ‘..we love killing’.

  491. @Malla

    Judaism is the world’s oldest extant Mafia operation. The Kosher Nostra.

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  492. Jokem says:
    @Joe Wong

    I have no idea what you mean.

  493. denk says:
    @White Elephant

    There is very little crime in China because communists get rid of criminals very quickly as they’re a threat to the state. You’ll most likely disappear, before you even make it into a court room in China

    the US is about to be invaded by the Chinese, who’ll murder most of the population, take the land for themselves and those who are left will end up in gulag style cities in China, already built for their incarceration.

    You are rather dim aren’t you?

    HAHAHAHAHAHA

    ROTFLMAO

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  494. Malla says:
    @Joe Wong

    You are proving what you are, the one who observe ‘we lie, we cheat and we steal’ as way of life.

    You are proving lying, brainwashing, reeducation, abnormal version of history, victim card mixed with arrogance. Unfortunately for you, others can and are playing that game. Against you guys. Many can play this game and Third Worlders are seasoned players in this.

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  495. Malla says:
    @White Elephant

    Who knows what the real, behind the scenes, relationship is in between the Murican and Chinese CCP elites? Is today’s China an experiment prototype society of the Globalist Zio elites or a NS style rebel against the Globalist Zio elites? Biggest question, very hard to answer yet. Confusing behaviour in between the two. And then we have Israel. Close to China and to India at the same time. Yet China is close to Iran too. Very messy, very confusing. Something does not seem right about the whole thing. It looks like a semi-directed stage play sometimes.

  496. Malla says:
    @Rdm

    Thanks for your tips. As I was explaining to Yevardian, I post comments in between work. And thus I have to type, paste etc… very fast in between work. But I will try to include these suggestions best I can. Thank you.

    They damn well know the war between India and China.

    Yes, anyways they were traditionally not anti-India ans many Indian nationalists are anti China or have become more lately.

    Chinese troops were treating Indian POW good

    I am aware of that but our slime-ball government did not tell our people.

  497. Smith says:

    Meh, I’m not sure if anyone cares to know enough about Vietnam language, but I’ll do some elaboration.
    The tales of Kieu, or Truyen Kieu, in Vietnam is one of viet literature written in Chữ Nôm, which is influenced by chinese, it can actually be perfectly latinized in the modern Chữ Quốc Ngữ, and understandable to modern vietnamese:
    http://nomfoundation.org/nom-project/tale-of-kieu/tale-of-kieu-version-1866?uiLang=vn
    Or
    https://123docz.net/document/3064487-truyen-kieu-chu-nom-ban-nam-1866.htm
    Proving that the Vietnamese language hasn’t been switched, just the way to spell it.
    An example can be seen is this:
    浪𢆥󰞸靖朝明
    Rằng: Năm Gia Tĩnh triều Minh.
    If this is actually Han-chinese, it would be 明朝 (Ming Chao) not 朝明 (triều Minh), the latter is already written in Viet grammar.
    Still, language is an interesting thing to talk about.

  498. I know only too well of the msm doctoring of the videos/pictures to promote their agenda.

    If Americans know that the MSM lies to them about domestic issues, why is it that Americans still believe what the MSM tells them about China is the truth? This I find incomprehensible.

    If you know that a used car salesman lies about this car or that, would you still buy a sofa from him? This describes the mental state the US is in now in regard to its perceived enemies, not just China, but Russia, Cuba, Venezuela, Iran etc.

    This is explained in the G Edward Griffin interview, with Norman Dodd, back in 1982.

    As in most things I see on the internet about China, it is China explained to you by a westerner in western terms, from a viewpoint 40 years ago. How do you describe what swimming is like to a desert dweller who has never seen a river or pond? There are few appropriate words and everything is approximations. It is far better to have him have a dip into that water, and no more words are needed.

    Bertrand Russel, ditto, and even further afield.

    If I want to understand USA, should I listen to Cubans alone? Even within this framework, if I listened to Cubans in Cuba, and later I listened to Cubans living in Miami, who fled the country during the revolution, I would get very different views. If I am critical of the USA, and I wanted to reinforce my beliefs of the USA, then I would seek views from Venezuela, Iran, Afghanistan etc etc. But then I would know I am kidding myself. Surely the best thing for me do, would be to visit the USA, talk to the folks on the ground and experience it myself?

    This things about the Jews, i am undecided, I have insufficient evidence either way to form an opinion. But in China’s case, it appears that they have managed to avoid the Jewish control (if it exists). This is evidenced by their retention of control of their central bank, as well as continued government actions against companies that become too powerful and threaten the long term public good, like the recent Jack Ma/Ant group debacle.

    Thank you for the link, but I have seen Liziqi, and I speak and read Chinese. If you really do appreciate that part of Chinese culture, do you still think that the Chinese are not smart/strong enough to overthrow a CCP if it is not pleased with it?

    These are not a stupid people. They send millions of students abroad, and the vast majority return home after education and a working stint. They send 130 million tourists overseas every year, and all return home. Surely if China were some Orwellian gulag state, you would be seeing millions of refugees in the rest of the world? This again is another thing that boggles me about the American understanding of China.

    China’s history is littered with peasant uprisings against unpopular rulers. The CCP know that the people who keep them in power can also overthrow them. This is why the CCP invests so much on public opinion surveys. Do you know the central/provincial/county/city governments in China are the world’s biggest spenders on public opinion surveys?

    You know, when i suggest that you visit China, it is not meant in sarcasm. It is really such a different world to the USA, or Europe that you cannot imagine it. It really is a different civilisation.

    With kind regards,
    K

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  499. Malla says:
    @RichardDuck

    Anglo-Saxon societies are very much driven by fear:

    I do not think that is true, I think other societies are driven even more by fear. Indian society is driven a lot by fear and suspicion fo the unknown and so are many Islamic societies. I guess this is an evolution strategy to survive. It is just a human condition, being cautious. For example China fears and is suspicious QUAD, four sovereign countries have the right to have an alliance if they wish. It also fears the risk of blockades at sea. All of them are sovereign countries. China also is not happy with American troops in South Korea or Japan. Relations in between South Korea and Japan with the USa are in between three sovereign countries, but it raises fears and suspicions in China. India on the other hand is driven by fears that China wants to encircle India with its “string of pearls”. but truth is Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Nepal, Maldives are sovereign nations as well as China and they have the right to have whatever deals economic, or military was they wish, but New Delhi looks at this with suspicion and fear. So much fear that it does not allow Bhutan to have its own independent foreign policy.
    Similarly Russia is suspicious of NATO membership of other Eastern European countries. Legally they are all sovereign countries and can chose to join NATO if they wish. Similarly if suddenly Russian or Chinese troops were to be based in say Mexico with a treaty with the Mexican Government, the USA would be full of suspicion and fear. And there are many examples in history as well as today to give. This is normal human tendency to seek long term security as well as power clashes in between powers. Nothing specifically Anglo in this.

    anxieties with all kinds of useless naval exercises and whatever they can think of to “slow down” those they fear.

    They have the right to do so.

    millitary expenditures in the US

    The US elites have a history of riling up the American people for their own Globalist aims. They have a long history of False Flags against Mexico, Spanish Empire, Axis powers during WW1 (primarily Germany), Axis forces during WW2 (Germany and Japan), Vietnam, Middle Eastern Regimes. American people in general were against war or else why would the U.S Government need Lusitania or Pearl Harbour or 9/11?

    loss of the freedom of speech, sales of guns to individuals in the US

    These two are completely justified. You can never trust Governments completely. Governments are made up of humans and their flaws and greed. This is the mentality and a wise mentality of the West and that of American people. The founding fathers had these amendments for a reason. One should always be vigilant. Easterners have a mentality to slave under any Government who rules them with occasional revolts. Westerners have always believed in limits to Government powers as well as balance of power in Government structures. Very wise.
    It is the fears of people in Washington, New York, California about normal law abiding American citizen having guns, which is interesting and alarming. If a government cannot trust its people, what kind of Government is it?

  500. @emersonreturn

    Well, IMHO, individualism has its uses. But like everything else it too can become too extreme.

    It enabled the flourishing of great minds in the European Renaissance and Enlightenment, and also the scientific achievements of more recent times. But taken to an extreme, and divorced from the other side of the coin, i.e. responsibility to the greater good, then society starts to fracture.

    In China a similar impulse lead to the Hundred Schools of Thought around 250 BC with the myriad competing philosophies. Though we knew which ones eventually would hold sway. China lives with that legacy today. Confucianism has its advantages, but it also limits in other ways. Whether Confucianism stopped China from having its own Enlightenment? If Taoism had become dominant, maybe China would have. But would it also have fallen apart much more easily? And not be able to stand up to the USA the way it does now? I wish I were smart enough to figure out what would have been better for humanity.

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  501. Malla says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Judaism is the world’s oldest extant Mafia operation. The Kosher Nostra.

    Yup.

  502. Lin says:
    @Malla

    Hindutva is primarily an anti-colonial project version 2

    Let me repeat what I had posted here and there; What hold a country together:
    a)Same ‘race’,
    b)Same language
    c)Same sense of historical lineage, destiny..
    d)Same religion
    e)Throw in yours…
    —Facts are Indians are racially quite ‘diversed’, have 16 official languages.
    —India has poor pre-Mughal historiography,
    —India is well known for its caste/religious/regional antagonism
    *** Ahha, wait a minute but 80% of Indians belong to a belief(or affiliated) system known as Hinduism, so it’s inevitable that indian nationalism evolved into Hindutva.
    ………..

    Hindutva is primarily an anti-colonial project version 2

    ??
    Probably to a slight extend but its true that at least certain quarters of Indians have various degree of nostalgia regarding british rule:
    f)Nehru said he was the last English man to rule India; in a sense he think India should inherit the British role in Asia. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/rest-of-world/the-raj-was-beneficial-manmohan/articleshow/1165516.cms
    g)Even low caste indian parents want to send their kids to ‘English medium’ schools.
    https://www.indiastudychannel.com/forum/65583-Discuss-Why-do-parents-prefer-sending-their.aspx
    ………..
    That brief Sino-India war in 1962 lasted only 2 to 4 weeks and its was really an unnecessary war shouldn’t Nehru deluded by his ‘forward’ policy grandeur.
    h)Consequences:
    –Though there have been occasionally clashes along the LAC, neither side wants another war.
    –Most younger Chinese before the recent clash in 2019 were not even aware there was a 1962 war with India; why? Its was the shortest war china had in the past century.
    i)Consequences:
    –Pakistan, india’s #1 adversary, gained a very important ally.
    –Heavier military burden on India. BTW, right now India has the biggest land army on earth in terms of manpower at 1.4 million…China is the 3rd with less than 1 million.
    https://theprint.in/defence/indian-army-now-worlds-largest-ground-force-as-china-halves-strength-on-modernisation-push/382287/
    –Mental Pain, particularly Chinese GDP right now is more than 5 times that of India. Most 3rd world countries, china included, exhibit certain degree of pain why compared with the more developed ones. I browse a number of India nationalistic sites and they are literally mental pain killer/opioid dispensaries. I can feel their great pain even at a distance.

  503. @littlereddot

    Well said, K. The total pig ignorance and brainwashing of Yanks in regard to China will probably get us all killed, or will be the final straw that breaks the US camel’s back. As for the CPC, Mao himself said that if the CPC turned reactionary, then the Chinese people would just need to make another revolution. They are the world’s experts at it.

  504. @Malla

    Bhutan is lucky-it could simply have been seized and digested by the expansionist Indian regime, as was Sikkim. Like South Tibet, come to think of it, AND Kashmir. Now there’s a real case of a Moslem population being ruthlessly oppressed by a foreign power.

  505. Malla says:
    @littlereddot

    Wow, whata wise well-rounded comment.

  506. Malla says:
    @Lin

    Hindutva is primarily an anti-colonial project version 2

    ??
    Probably to a slight extend

    To an extreme extent. Hindutvas are extremely against any British?Western influence on India. Check out Dinanath Batra. Hindutva is primarily an anti-Western project.

    Nehru said he was the last English man to rule India; in a sense he think India should inherit the British role in Asia

    Not really. Yes the Brahmins want a British India under Brahmin control, Akand Bharat. Indian education system is basically anti-British genocidal propaganda. Lies and propaganda. The Hindutvas just added the Mughals./ Muslims etc… into it. Indian media is extremely anti-British Empire, anti-Pakistan and anti China. Nehru was not Hinduvadi but was anti-Hinduvadi and is extremely hated by Hinduvadis. Nehru was actually earlier friendly to China, it was China;s treatment of the new Indian Deep State as “sepoy of the West” which turned the Indian deep State anti-China, something which has never changed and probably will not. There is a private letter from firebrand Indian Independence leader Vallabhai Patel warning Nehru about China’s attitude in 1950, he states that we Indians consider China as a friend but the Chinese do not. Two attitudes
    of China gave rise to this:
    1] India as sepoy of the West/ British. Formed during the period when they saw Indians Imperial soldiers fighting for British Imperial officers. And a big misunderstanding of how British India worked. British India was extremely liberal, Indians were not slaves to Britishers. Many Indians were far far richer than many British and no, they were not collaborators. For example Mohamed Jinnah, the founder of Pakistan was the highest paid barrister/lawyer in the entire British Empire!!
    2] The Communist mentality (back in 1950) of seeing all non-Communist countries as part of the Imperialist block. It does not matter that India was a Socialist country influenced by the principles of Communist thinker Lasky. Or that Communist countries end up antagonistic to each other. Sino -Soviet split. Vietnam Vs China, Vietnam Vs Cambodia etc
    Later in Indian minds its anti-British anti-colonial mentality and emotions at that time got partly transferred to China and Indians view China as an Imperialist country, British Empire 2.0, Chinese companies the new East India Company. After that China tried upteen times to mend that broken relationship but it does not work, this view of China is cemented in the Indian mentality. That is why I say, the anti-colonial mentalities on steroids of both India and China clashed bang into each other. Indian Nationalists consider Nehru a traitor, Chinese agent, too soft on China etc…

    Mental Pain, particularly Chinese GDP right now is more than 5 times that of India.

    Yes that is partly true. Indians are jealous of China’s rise. Also Indians blamed amy excuses why India is poor and backward. British Raj (stupid excuse and false), Corruption (but most peopel are corrupt, why blame only Government), Big population. Now China with its big population going ahead has made many Indians insecure and they fear “are we monkeys”. Also Indians are extremely chest thumper about Indian genius and talent. Only Jews are respected as more intelligent than Indians, this is Indian people’s weird racial hierarchy. They (stupidly) believe that Western countries, Japan, Singapore etc.. became first world countries only because of Indian “talent”. This is of course stupid as most Western countries became first world much before Indians started going there in large numbers, and Japan/S. Korea/Taiwan etc.. or even Russia hardly have much Indians. China without Indian talent becoming so successful is scary for Indian self made and believed (bullshit) IQ hierarchy mythos.

  507. Malla says:
    @Lin

    so it’s inevitable that indian nationalism evolved into Hindutva.

    Actually it was the founder of Pakistan Jinnah, who was far more anglophile than Nehru BTW who realized this and thus wanted Pakistan.
    When devolution of power to Indians started in early 1900s, Hindu – Muslim animosity actually increased. Earlier the British wisely kept power only with themselves but many British and Indians started supporting giving more powers to Indian legislatures. The reason the earlier British did not devolve power was based on wisdom and understanding of India rather than racism, but the sentimental pro-Indian Britishers did not understand this wisdom . Hindu upper castes who dominated the Indian national Congress also took to education faster than Muslims and started dominating the gigantic and complicated British Raj Imperial bureaucratic services. Muslims military power was destroyed during the 1857 mutiny by the British because the Brahmin plotters hid themselves and let all the blame fall on the Muslim plotters leading to retribution and permanent destruction of Islamic power in India. Now Muslims without military supremacy, being a minority as well a losing in intellectual fields and education to the nimble Hindus started becoming staunch supporters of the British for protection because of their fears of Hindu majority and rising Hindu fundamentalism which was a core part of the anti-British Independence movement. When the Muslims realized that the British are to leave is when they started demanding Pakistan.
    Check this out

    Hindu upper castes were perceived weak but intellectual and a more mercantile, Muslims more martial and warlike, British a combination of Intelelctual and martial, i.e. British= Brahman+ Kshatriya. as the modern age came, Muslims increasingly started fearing the intellectual side of upper caste Hindus and being overwhelmed by it.
    Muslim Maulana Azad Sobhani, an Islamic leader in his speech/3/ made on the 27th January 1939 at Sylhet (now in Bangladesh) said :— .
    “Our big fight is with the 22 crores (220 million) of our Hindu enemies, who constitute the majority. Only 4 1/2 crores (45 million) of Englishmen have practically swallowed the whole world by becoming powerful. And if these 22 crores (220 million) of Hindus if they become equally advanced in learning, intelligence and wealth as in numbers, if they become powerful, then these Hindus will swallow Muslim India and gradually even Egypt, Turkey, Kabul, Mecca, Medina and other Muslim principalities, like Yajuj-Majuj [Gog and Magog] (it is so mentioned in Koran that before the destruction of the world, they will appear on the earth and will devour whatever they will find).
    “The English are gradually becoming weak. . . .they will go away from India in the near future. So if we do not fight the greatest enemies of Islam, the Hindus, from now on and make them weak, then they will not only establish Ramrajya (Rule of mythical God King Lord Ram, avatar of Vishnu) in India but also gradually spread all over the world. It depends on the 9 crores (90 million) of Indian Muslims either to strengthen or to weaken them (the Hindus). So it is the essential duly of every devout Muslim to fight on by joining the Muslim League so that the Hindus may not be established here and a Muslim rule may be established in India as soon as the English depart.
    “Though the English are the enemies of the Muslims yet for the present our fight is not with the English. At first we have to come to some understanding with the Hindus through the Muslim League. Then we shall be easily able to drive out the English and establish Muslim rule in India.” Be careful! Don’t fall into the trap of Congress Maulvis; because the Muslim world is never safe in the hands of 22 crores of Hindu enemies.”

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  508. @Malla

    US presidents and officials have said repeatedly that China is a threat to Western security. This is an expression of fear, isn’t it? Then why do they fear China? Who sent most of the manufacturing activity to Asia? Not the Chinese of course. Fear in the US is something that has developed after 9/11. Before 9/11 pilots often left the door behind them wide open during flights. Now there is security everywhere. Freedom of speech is compromised by new laws. I feel something has changed. However I have spent some months in China and I could sense that optimism and dynamism have now moved to that country’s youth. Churchill wanted a war with Germany when he sensed that Germany was developing too fast to his liking. We now hear similar rhetotic coming from the US relative to China.

    It is important to analyze the feelings in the current context since feelings depend as much on our beliefs as they depend on actual events occuring on the ground. What beliefs do the US politicians hold that create the fear of China? The conflict is mostly related to ideology I think, something the West can work on by itself: an ideological cleanup sort of.

  509. Malla says:
    @Lin

    This desire for Akhand Bharat i.e. conquest of the entire Indian subcontinent including Tibet and Afghanistan and bringing them under Hindu control or of Hinduisng them has a lot of parallel on partly why China wants to hold on to Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia, Tibet etc.. Yes they were parts of Qing dynnasty. But see both India and China have similarities. Both lands were areas of excellent agriculture, gave rise to big populations as a resultant, high Malthusian limit and all that and thus great wealthy civilizations. Only that China was comparatively more united than India in history for a number of reasons one of them Confucianism. Both these sedentary populations faced threats of invasion from warlike populations from the North. Mongols, Manchus, Mughals, Turks, Afghans etc.. There is a core fear of this in both the population psyches. This is one emotional reason, the Han want Xinjiang, Tibet etc… under Han control, this core fear of Northern invaders. Hindus have similar fears, the pre-Islamic Central Asian invasions (Sythians, White Huns, Khambojas, Kushanas I do not include Aryans because that was very early and has become part of core India in population and culture ) are forgotten, after all they merged with Buddhist-Hindu India and became Indians. The fears of Islamic invasions (Turks, Arabs, Persians, Mughals, Afghans etc..) still exist in Hindu hearts and Islam could not be absorbed being an Abrahamic faith.
    Hence the fears and desires to bring Afghanistan and Pakistan and all of Indian subcontinent under Hindu control, for security. The forever fear of the invading Islamic hordes from the North looting, plundering, killing and raping Hindus with gleeee.
    Check out Hindu anti-British revolutionary Lala Hardayal’s opinion in 1925. It was published in the form of a statement which appeared in the Pratap of Lahore. In this statement, which he called his political testament, Lala Hardayal said:—
    “I declare that the future of the Hindu race, of Hindustan and of the Punjab, rests on these four pillars: (1) Hindu Sangathan (group organisation), (2) Hindu Raj (Rule), (3) Shuddhi of Moslems, (Shuddhi-cleansing/purification or reconversion to Hindu faith) and (4) Conquest and Shuddhi of Afghanistan and the Frontiers. So long as the Hindu nation does not accomplish these four things, the safely of our children and great-grandchildren will be ever in danger, and the safety of the Hindu race will be impossible. The Hindu race has but one history, and its institutions are homogeneous. But the Musalmans and Christians are far removed from the confines of Hindustan, for their religions are alien and they love Persian, Arab and European institutions. Thus, just as one removes foreign matter from the eye, Shuddhi (purification/Indianisation/Hinduisation) must be made of these two religions. Afghanistan and the hilly regions of the frontier were formerly part of India, but are at present under the domination of Islam. . . .Just as there is Hindu religion in Nepal, so there must be Hindu institutions in Afghanistan and the frontier territory; otherwise it is useless to win Swaraj (Self Rule from British Empire). For mountain tribes are always warlike and hungry. If they become our enemies, the age of Nadirshah and Zamanshah (Muslim invaders who had caused suffering to Hindus) will begin anew. At present English officers are protecting the frontiers; but it cannot always be. . . .If Hindus want to protect themselves, they must conquer Afghanistan and the frontiers and convert all the mountain tribes.”

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    , @Mulga Mumblebrain
  510. Some of America’s education problems stem from the fact that Blacks do not do as well in school as do Whites and so the Left dumbs down the schools so that Blacks won’t fall as far behind.

    And yet the American people keeping voting for the same idiots.

    LGBT has also overtaken schools and are filling kids’ heads with transgenderism nonsense and Drag Queen Story Hour.

    This is mostly due to the Bolshevik Left, and I don’t think I need to explain the ethnic basis of Bolshevism.

    • Replies: @Sin City Milla
  511. @RichardDuck

    US presidents and officials have said repeatedly that China is a threat to Western security. This is an expression of fear, isn’t it? Then why do they fear China?… However I have spent some months in China and I could sense that optimism and dynamism have now moved to that country’s youth. Churchill wanted a war with Germany when he sensed that Germany was developing too fast to his liking. We now hear similar rhetotic coming from the US relative to China.

    It is important to analyze the feelings in the current context since feelings depend as much on our beliefs as they depend on actual events occuring on the ground. What beliefs do the US politicians hold that create the fear of China? The conflict is mostly related to ideology I think, something the West can work on by itself: an ideological cleanup sort of.

    Does Hanania answer your question?

    https://www.unz.com/freed/watching-china-anatomy-of-a-suicide/#comment-4802091

  512. Malla says:
    @RichardDuck

    I am not denying that but Anglo societies are not the only ones who are driven by fear. I would say other civilizations are more so. It is a common human tendency