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Encountering almost daily criticisms of the police by Pathologically Virtuous Whites of the sort one finds at Salon and NPR, many of these criticisms being nonsensical, I find myself wanting to ask these unpleasantly nice people:

Do you know any cops? Have you ever known any? I mean known them well enough to have a beer with after work, or to invite to a get-together at your house. Have you ever really talked to a cop?

As I thought.

Let’s try this: Have you ever heard an unedited interview, or any interview, with any of the cops or security people accused of gratuitously killing blacks? Or with their lawyers? With any cop at all about anything at all? That is, with anyone who might present their side of the story?

I haven’t either.

Has it ever occurred to you that there might be another side of the story?

Yet I assume confidently that you have heard all sorts of activists and talking heads who weren’t there holding forth on events about which they had no direct knowledge. Doubtless you have heard a lot from Jesse and Al, Barack and Michelle, and Hillary, and Black Lives Matter, and all the commentators. But nothing at all from the cops, right? That is, your entire understanding of cops, the conditions in which they work, and particular events has been crafted by the media. No?

Now, why don’t you know any cops? For at least two reasons. As a Pathologically Virtuous White (PVW), you are almost certainly a college graduate. The police are blue-collar. PVWs s do not associate with what they regard as lower classes any more than they would let their daughters date a plumber.

Am I wrong? Do you have a single close blue-collar friend? Or any blue-collar friend?

Another reason why you don’t know any cops is that cops and their families tend to be clannish, to associate mostly with other cops and their families. There are reasons for this. One is that people are uneasy around cops and, in social settings, the cops are uncomfortable around PVWs. If you invite a dozen friends to a backyard barbecue, and one is a cop, what happens if a guest, unaware, pulls out a joint and lights it? Does the cop arrest him? Pretend he doesn’t see? Be a good sport about it and risk repercussions for dereliction of duty? Will people even talk about their experiences in the Sixties with a cop around? (“I was flying on psilocybin and….”)

What if some of the guests are a bit, er, flushed with wine and start to drive home? Should he give them a sobriety test to protect the public? When is a cop not a cop?

Further, cops are masculine, a condition seldom practiced or approved by PVWs. They are conservative and like guns. You will be acutely aware that they are not your kind of people. They will be aware that you are thinking this.

So you know nothing about them, their jobs, or the conditions in which they work. Especially the latter. Blank ignorance allows you to have strong, simple ideas and pious indignations about the police without any danger of contradiction by reality. You friends will all have the same notions, and you will all enjoy admiring your inherent rightness.

There are at least two explanations, neither of which you are likely to understand, for your detestation of cops. On the street, cops have to be hard-nosed or they lose their authority. Citizens are a pain in the ass when interacting with cops. They will lie, argue, bluster, threaten, and weasel. A pretty woman hikes her skirt up before the cop reaches her car door and makes googoo eyes. Men, especially in groups will try to intimidate an officer, physically or by arguing furiously. They all know the mayor. Why isn’t the cop out catching real criminals? The only way the cop maintains his authority is to be stone-faced and not friendly. Thus a cop who laughs and tells stories in the cruiser becomes robocop on the street.

The other reason why PVWs hate cops is ego. Say that you are a bank president of forty-five, or a lieutenant general in the Air Force, or the wife of the city treasurer. You are in your forties and have well-developed self-esteem. You are used to deference from others. You get stopped for speeding or, worse, wobbling out of your lane. The cop is twenty-two years old. A high-school grad.

This…kid…can lecture you as if you were an erring child, order you out of your car, make you walk a straight line or blow in an Alkalsenor, impound your car if he determines that you are drunk, arrest you in handcuffs if necessary and send you to months of drunk-driving school. You have to take it. There is no recourse.

From a twenty-two year old kid.

Most of it won’t happen unless you are an idiot, but the kid can do it. And this rubs Pathologically Virtuous Whites the wrong way.

Now, let us go off the deep end and imagine that you were required to don a cop’s uniform and spend three months walking a foot beat with a real cop in, say, Newark or Chicago or Detroit, downtown. How would this affect your mind?


You would find yourself in an utterly black neighborhood, probably for the first time in your life. You would not be nearly as comfortable as your multicultural self would like to be. People would not look friendly, especially the young men. There would be cold-eyed, dead stares. What I used to call shark’s eyes. The class and racial distinctions you think you don’t have would kick in hard.

People will hate you. It will be shock to your system because it runs against everything NPR has told you to think. You will run through the laundry list of slavery, oppression, white privilege, but when you are through they will still hate you. As a momentary cop, you have to deal with what is there, not what you think ought to be there.

Suddenly the killing of policemen by blacks that you saw as abstractions on TV, perhaps half thinking that they deserved it, will not be so abstract.

You will discover that that when you arrest a local, no matter how obviously guilty of what, you will be hated for it. If you decline to arrest anybody for anything–a course whose wisdom you will begin to see–Salon and NPR will attack you for not doing your job.

You will realize that the police are not heavily armed thugs intimidating a helpless and cowering black public. Cops are vulnerable. Anybody passing you on the street could stick an ice pick into you, or blow your head off from behind. When you walk through a group of eight young men who don’t like you at all, for a moment they will be on both sides of you, in front, and behind. You, a PVW, would probably turn your head to look backward, making you look afraid. Bad move. If you show fear, they are in charge.

I am not making this up. As I write, the headline are that three cops were killed by blacks in New Orleans.

After a few days, the hostility would begin to get to you. You might want to throw up your hands and say, “Look, I’m with you. I understand your suffering over the centuries. I confess my guilt. Forgive me.”

It wouldn’t work. Nobody likes a whimpering wussy, usually including the wussy. There would slowly grow on you a horrible realization that when people dislike you intensely, you begin to dislike them. When you are afraid of them, dislike comes faster. You would begin to use words like dirtbag, knucklehead, perp. Or at least think them.

Hanging out at the Fraternal Order of Police, you would find that most cops are likable. This discovery would probably disturb you. You wouldn’t like it because it would upset treasured preconceptions. You would find that some cops do push blacks around as per your training by the Washington Post.You would find, confusingly, that you liked some of the men who did the pushing. You would feel safer with them on the street. You would find that black cops often push blacks around worse than white cops do. This would confuse you further.

You will see things that will change you. The blonde fifteen-year-old rape victim, screaming, choking, sobbing as a paramedic try to get a sedative into her arm. You will note your partner’s knuckles going white on his nightstick, the barely audible, very earnest, “God I hope he resists arrest.” This won’t make you favor police brutality, not at first anyway, and you may mumble appropriately about a troubled youth and white privilege. But you will begin to think.

And you will realize things that Pathologically Virtuous Whites don’t know. They think they do, but not even close: Shit happens on the streets. Really, really bad shit. The dead guy with his face peeled of all skin as if with an Exacto knife, eyes staring like boiled eggs. A little girl dead in a dumpster, hands bound, half her weight for her age from being kept tied in a closet, barely fed, suppurating scars on her wrists from tight ropes. Yeah, I know. Mommy had a bad childhood. The guy who offed himself over a girlfriend in the bushes along the parkway by the Pentagon, in August heat, found a week later: black oozing liquids swarming with maggots. The children burned to death in an arson fire, the color of boiled ham, bellies exploded because internal liquids boiled.

You never forget things like that. The foregoing are not fiction. I saw all of them. Just another day at the office for a big-city cop. After your three months, oh Pathologically Virtuous White–three months of ambiguity, of guesses sometimes wrong, of seeing the misery and venality and unrepentant viciousness–you would come to the cop’s routine conclusion that there are no answers and that the humans are a sorry lot. But you would know what you were talking about–and you would find it a novel experience.

(Republished from Fred on Everything by permission of author or representative)
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  1. fnn says:

    They shoot way too many dogs.

    • Replies: @Priss Factor
  2. Priss Factor [AKA "Dominique Francon Society"] says: • Website

    How about this?

    Let all the good white Libs become police officers.

    Let them deal with all those wonderful Negroes.

    Then, all the problems will go away.

    Libs need to stop concentrating on media and academia and instead enter the police and deal with blacks.

    They can show us the proper way.

    It’s like all those nice white Liberal teachers fixed black schools. LOL.

  3. Priss Factor [AKA "Dominique Francon Society"] says:


  4. Priss Factor [AKA "Dominique Francon Society"] says:

    Too many people raise pitbulls.

  5. Macilrae says:

    A really well-crafted piece here from Fred – apart from agreeing with every word I can’t think of anything to add.

  6. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Sounding a bit like a cop-groupie, but much on point anyhow. The cops have lost all credibility with the tax-paying and non-tax-paying public and they did it to themselves. If the job that they signed up for is too tough, they can always resign and go do something else.

    What if some of the guests are a bit, er, flushed with wine and start to drive home?

    Most likely, the inebriated guest would be the cop.

    They are conservative and like guns.

    Me too. A retired LEO.

    • Agree: PiltdownMan
    • Replies: @El Tigran
    , @Grandpa Jack
  7. Police officers are not all the same. But too many of them are criminals. This of course because they are above the law. I’m old enough to remember when cops were mostly the good guys. If things were bad they got better when the cops got there. Not any more.

    You’re not talking to me Fred. I’m more working class than the cops. I won’t knowingly associate with them because I don’t trust them and they are, for the most part, assholes. Neither do I associate with white people who march with BLM. Not that they would want to associate with me. BLM is a tool of the elite used to sow anger and strife in American society. The same elites who refuse to prosecute crimes committed by police.

    • Replies: @joef
  8. Things have changed with cops. It’s a secure job with decent pay, so now it attracts a number of college grads who can’t find work in their fields. I know a guy with a degree in pop culture or something like that who ended up being a transit cop in a big majority-black city. He’s an interesting guy – certainly a liberal, probably a Sanders voter, but he has acquired a certain realist edge. His wife is a full-on SJW, so I bet there have been some interesting arguments in their house the past few months.

  9. @Priss Factor

    “Let all the good white Libs become police officers.” I’m with you on this one. These people love bashing whites so much, and hate themselves for being white, I think it makes perfect sense for them to be on the receiving end of the black rage they do so much to stir up and propagate. They would probably enjoy it, in fact. If they hate themselves so much & other whites, it makes sense they should get the chop to make amends for the white privilege, the white guilt and every other wrong – past, present and future – that whites have supposedly committed and are about to do.
    The dindus will make short work of them. And good riddance.

  10. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I absolutely love Fred’s work, but this article only covers a sliver of the cop / citizen dysfunction. BLM has a point, but they could not possibly do a worse job of preventing it or using worse examples. But they still have a point and a lot of poor ghetto blacks get the shit beaten out of them by cops and there is enormous frustration because they are not built for functioning in a Euro derived society with rules and laws for everything imaginable.
    Beyond blacks, most middle class and lower middle class whites despise cops because cops aggressively tailgate them, sit on the side of the road with radar guns, give condescending lectures that rarely make any sense because cops have 90 IQs, constantly break traffic laws out of conveinence, which all taxpayers witness daily and are quietly furious about. Cops also invariably cover up for each other for despicable crimes, and ruin the lives of millions of young kids because they have a bag of pot.
    Fred is technically right here, but it’s kind of pointless since it covers so little of the relations between cops and taxpayers.

    • Replies: @Ace
    , @Faust
    , @helena
  11. I am in no way enamored of authoritarianism, and have no illusions about any special goodness in the ranks, but I also know what Fred said is true, and I take every opportunity to spread goodwill towards individuals I encounter. Just to counter the conflict that’s piling up, and making the lives of all of us worse. The life you save by ratcheting down offense may even be your own.

  12. Without black and Mexican crime cops would not have to be so aggressive. If this were still a White nation I doubt cops would be such assholes.

    • Replies: @E. Rekshun
    , @Tony
    , @AndrewR
  13. Truth says:

    Fred, I had a Pure Math PHD friend of mine come up with a sophisticated algorithm that should alleviate your “Uncle Tim” criticism.

    He showed me the whiteboard with which he had worked out the equation, and it had thousands of columns of numbers from reach level down to his waist, mathematical symbols I couldn’t understand, etc. I was lost, but then he made it simple he said:

    “Tell Fred Reed that if he writes 6 anti-Negro articles to every 1 pro-Mestizo article, and brings up how his 1st white wife turned into a fat, ugly, old feminist shrew, for each time he mentions his current wedded bliss in May-hee-co, he should mitigate his criticism from all but the most ardent WN’s.

  14. @Son of Dixie

    Without black and Mexican crime cops would not have to be so aggressive.

    Without black and Mexican crime, 50% of all cops wouldn’t have a job.

    • Replies: @Ace
  15. Renoman says:

    Another great job Fred, thanks!

  16. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I don’t know why people think cops were better, friendlier people back in the old days. Perhaps in smaller towns and such they were but not everywhere. In places like Chicago they were famously crooked and greedy with their hands always out for bribes, freebies and extortion. They had territories carved up amongst themselves for extorting monthly payments from bars with the bagmen making the rounds collecting the monthly payments and turning it over to the police district commanders who then divvied it up. Police vied with each other to become district commanders because that was the most lucrative position. They also had burglary rings. In those days cops could be as brutal as they pleased and beat you to a pulp with no repercussions unless you had some sort of connections that could protect you. Nowadays police are, in my opinion, less crooked because their pay and pensions are better and worth protecting. There’s more cameras and oversight now. However, they’re now more like an occupying army, riding around like so many robo-cops, fearing and hating the average people out there. Anyone who has been in the military should be excluded from being a policeman. There’s too much of an us-versus-them mentality. The average person is stuck between the ghetto rats and other criminal predators on the one hand and the jumpy robo-cops on the other who want you to raise your hands and walk slowly as though you’re part of some subject population under military occupation and not at all as though you’re a supposedly free person living in a free country.

    • Replies: @Marcus
  17. “-you would come to the cop’s routine conclusion that there are no answers and that the humans are a sorry lot.”

    But there’s not much market for that truth.

    99.44% of the people who read this article and nod their agreement still think that if the world would only listen to them things would be so much better.

  18. Stealth says:

    Spare me. No one hates BLM much more that I do, but the cops are no saints. I know plenty of them, by the way, so nobody can discredit me by saying i’m not acquinted with any police officers. Far from “just doing their jobs,” many cops actively seek trouble, often attempting to escalate innocuous encounters into altercations that justify arrest and physical assault. What happened to Sandra Bland is recorded for everybody to see. I myself have been in the same situation but didn’t take the bait. One of the worst things about BLM is that it is dismissive of white victims.

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @AndrewR
  19. @Truth

    Fred, I had a Pure Math PHD friend of mine come up with a sophisticated algorithm that should alleviate your “Uncle Tim” criticism.

    Yeah, I had an Evangelical Pure Friend come up with a sophisticated algorithm that IDed an individual pseudonymed “Truth” as a pure asshole.

    • Replies: @Truth
  20. No amount of rhetoric from either side of the “Cops Good/Cops Bad” issue (which is meaningless and referentially insufficient) acts to justify breaking the law.

  21. Marcus says:

    Yeah cops in big cities were always crooked, small towns often didn’t have much of a police dept at all.

    • Replies: @Talha
  22. @Priss Factor

    Too many cops roam our streets while armed. Disarm the cops.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    , @RadicalCenter
  23. Talha says:

    Hey Marcus,

    I remember visiting the Balkans area (Kosovo specifically) about a decade ago – wife was working for a relief agency. Anyway, I’ll never forget the sight, but I remember two cops walking the beat side by side just talking, and they passed by some random toddler and one of them stooped down, picked him up and kissed him and then just put him down and the two continued on. When I asked my hosts regarding this, they said – oh yeah, everybody kind of knows everyone else around here, this cop went to high school with me, etc. Maybe the solution is to make sure the cops that patrol the streets are from that very neighborhood.

    The two immediate dangers with this that I see are; 1) you don’t want the local cops to become the neighborhood mafia and 2) retaliation against the cop’s family – but if good vetting is done…perhaps…

    But maybe there just is no solution for major metropolitan centers.


    • Replies: @Marcus
  24. Truth says:
    @John Jeremiah Smith

    Hell, you should have just asked “Truth”, I’m sure he would have told you that.

  25. Marcus says:

    Yeah the local PD’s often had very amicable relationships with the community in small American towns as well; over the past few decades, beginning with Reagan’s intensified “war on drugs” and the rise of the prison industry, we’ve seen a kind of militarization of nearly all police forces to the point where they are viewed almost as an occupying force

    • Replies: @Talha
  26. bossel says:

    Three months a cop for a BLM activist. That might get interesting.

    In general, a nice piece, but this:

    The only way the cop maintains his authority is to be stone-faced and not friendly.

    sounds like nonsense. May be true in some quarters, but not everywhere. In Europe I experienced cops who were quite friendly even when handing out tickets for speeding. No problem there. You can still have authority & be friendly. But it obviously also depends on those who get the tickets.

    • Replies: @Ace
  27. Talha says:

    Yeah man – and now drones. They just offed that one sniper with a robot. What technical barrier is there for them to observe (and eliminate) the populace through drones? Justification can always be retroactively provided.

    For my part, I’m always friendly with individual cops (whether on or off duty) and have known a couple in my day; not because I want to ingratiate myself with them, but because the guy is a human being and I treat him with the same respect and friendliness I grant to anybody else that would approach me – no more, no less. And if I am at fault for the ticket, well, just own up to it like I would with any mistake – we live in a society of laws for a reason.


    • Agree: Ace
  28. El Tigran says:

    Jesus, what a powerful column. Thank you, Fred.

  29. El Tigran says:

    ” If the job that they signed up for is too tough, they can always resign and go do something else.”
    An excellent rejoinder, and the beautiful part is it can be said to anyone, anywhere, in any job or role whatsoever, who ever complains about anything at all.
    eg Hillary doesn’t like nasty criticisms: ” If the job that she signed up for is too tough, she can always resign and go do something else.”
    eg high school teacher at minority dominated or inner city school gets roughed up: ” If the job that they signed up for is too tough, they can always resign and go do something else.”
    eg gay soldier being discriminated against: ” If the job that he signed up for is too tough, he can always resign and go do something else.”

    Gotta remember this one 🙂

    • Replies: @Undocumented Shopper
  30. Remember, when seconds count, a cop is only a few minutes away!

    • Replies: @pyrrhus
  31. Tony says:
    @Son of Dixie

    Bullshit. There were plenty of asshole cops when I was a kid. That was the 1950’s in a 95% white area.

    • Replies: @Wally
  32. @El Tigran

    This rejoinder is typical of people who do not see any need to improve anything. Such as South African minister Charles Nqakula who said “they can simply leave this country” in response to complaints about South Africa’s rate of rape.

  33. Cops are vulnerable. Anybody passing you on the street could stick an ice pick into you, or blow your head off from behind.

    That’s the cop fantasy but it isn’t borne out by the evidence. Given the fact that cops kill civilians at a rate six times that of civilians killing cops, I think it’s pretty obvious who is the more vulnerable group.

  34. Aschwin says:

    That is because your stat includes white Americans. Black Americans are more likely to kill a police officer than vice versa.

  35. Hibernian says:
    @Chris Mallory

    Bobbies on bicycles two by two. That’s the ticket. Crime rates will plummet immediately.

    • Replies: @Chris Mallory
  36. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Hey, Fred- If cops are so great, then why do they put a gun to my head, FORCING me to pay for their services?

    • Replies: @biz
  37. pyrrhus says:

    As a middle class kid who was raised before the gated community came into existence, I came to know everyone from cafeteria workers to nuclear scientists. BTW, plumbers make a lot of money these days, so they have risen in public esteem…..Anyway, from childhood and professionally, I have had contact with a fair number of cops, the majority of whom were highly professional. My nephew was a cop…But I can’t say the same for Chiefs of Police, many of whom are political appointees. I have seen a couple of things that are highly problematic….First, the double standard. Cops are routinely allowed to skate for everything from drunk driving to spousal abuse to….unwarranted violence. In my home town, an unarmed 96 year old was tasered by a rookie cop and died. Completely unacceptable, but no punishment was forthcoming…Similarly, the fact that some cops have anger management problems is all too obvious, as are the results of that anger…yet it is difficult to get these people off the force. Finally, the willingness of cops to lie on the witness stand, and for prosecutors to encourage such perjury, encourages the opinion that the system is rigged…..Meanwhile, police unions (like teachers’ unions) defend the bad/incompetent cops ferociously, which prevents anything getting fixed.

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
  38. pyrrhus says:
    @E. Rekshun

    Or sometimes hours….arm yourself.

  39. expeedee says:

    Well of course. Cops are suppose to be better in a gunfight otherwise Gunsmoke wouldn’t have run so many seasons.

  40. @Hibernian

    I am in more danger from an armed cop than I am from any criminal. My safety is more important than some overpaid,pampered government employee’s.

    • Replies: @Ace
    , @Delinquent Snail
  41. Marty [AKA "tiny blades"] says:

    I single-handedly saved a cop’s job once. I was a rookie lawyer, what they call a research attorney, in a famously conservative county, writing memos to judges about how various civil cases should be decided. A deputy sheriff sued the county after being fired, supposedly for being overly rough in steer-wrestling a PCP-addled inmate, breaking his collarbone. The deputy’s lawyer had no clue as to any available theory of relief. The judge was a lifetime prosecutor who knew nothing about employment law, and left it to me. I thought something smelled funny, like maybe this cop somehow wasn’t in the club, and ruled that without written guidelines on prohibited control techniques, the firing was was out of line.

    Why do I bring this up? Just to establish my bona fides for saying that cops are jerks. Don’t get me wrong, as against groids I’m with the cops. But man, have they treated me like crap. Cops always go with institutional power against the individual.

  42. fish says:

    See…it’s trolling like this that makes me really appreciate you.

    We’ve been subjected to ridiculous “Tiny Duck” blatherings recently and it is really been a huge disappointment.

  43. dcite says:

    I had an uncle who was a cop. He was wounded in France in WWII; when he got home, he just needed a job so he became a cop. He was very un-crooked but he knew some crooked cops, including a brother. I doubt he was a bully, but once he did say if a man parked illegally, and asked my uncle not to write a ticket because he’d be right out, my uncle would usually say no because the guys almost never did come right back. If a woman asked my uncle, he’d usually say yes, you can park for a few minutes, because she really came right back. He didn’t mention whether looks increased his trust on that point — I don’t think so. Anyway, that was his experience.

  44. Wally says: • Website

    Nobody said there wasn’t.

    Your point is what?

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  45. Wally says: • Website

    Q: Pathologically Virtuous Whites, where do you live?

    A: Nowhere nears blacks & browns.

    Q: How much of your income have you donated for ‘reparations’? See:

    A: Silence.

  46. Wally says: • Website


    ‘Analysis of Washington Post police-shootings data reveals surprising result – nearly 2x more whites than blacks shot by police’

  47. @Pseudonymic

    “The four officers were killed by a scruffy-looking man who walked into the coffee shop and opened fire.”

  48. A lot of people seem to have a funny idea about the current state of American police work. Paul Craig Roberts’ column in the Unz Review features breathless tales of Israeli paramilitary trainers embedded in local police departments who have the green light to turn PD’s into modern-day Einsatzgruppen. The reality is 180 degrees in the opposite direction.

    Today’s police are hired and trained to be social workers with badges. Any actual crimefighting is incidental. For example, this “reform project” at a medium-sized department on the Left Coast:

    This is not an isolated example. The “President’s Task Force on 21st Century Policing” encourages this type of emasculation initiative nationwide. It is a rare department now that does not have some type of LGBT reacharound – er, outreach – officer who will be pestering businesses to sign up for the Safe Places Initiative (a Seattle PD effort, sponsored by Starbucks’ Howard Schultz) and badgering these businesses to display a rainbow sticker in their windows. As a result, we have more and more officers who resemble the FutureCops in Demolition Man: “We’re police! We’re not trained for this type of violence!”

    Police work remains as dangerous as Fred describes, and the “uncooperative” elements of society grow ever bolder as they (rightly) sense that their aggression will be met with appeasement. The overwhelming majority of municipal police chiefs (NOT sheriffs) are Neville Chamberlain clones. We need Churchills — or David Clarkes.

  49. Ace says:

    *** and ruin the lives of millions of young kids because they have a bag of pot. ***

    Prosecutors can dismiss minor charges and, anyway, a “mere” bag of pot with a kid has very serious implications. Wherever there are drugs, there are second-rate decisions and lives. Drugs are not funny or without consequences.

    First-time offenders almost certainly will be able to get into a diversion program with clean record afterwards. Juveniles get a closed record automatically.

    Cops do the kids a favor.

  50. @Priss Factor

    Any candidate to serve as a judge at any level of the justice system should be required to serve a minimum of one year (not counting police academy or FTO training) as a police officer in a city of 150,000 or more.

    Experience is a wonderful teacher.

  51. Ace says:

    There’s a pleasant YouTube video of some Danish cops, I think, very cheerfully rousting a drunk in the park. Obviously two decent lads.

    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
  52. Ace says:
    @Chris Mallory

    Did you read that on a cereal box?

    • Replies: @Chris Mallory
  53. @Chris Mallory

    You are only in danger if you are doing something illegal or are being disrespectful.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    , @Chris Mallory
  54. @Priss Factor

    Cops have killed dogs for no reason. The breed was irrelevant. BATFE is among the worst of the dirt bags that do it.

    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
  55. As with any other group, there are people who where the uniform that have no business in it. They are the ones that pull their weapon just because “I was afraid.” I understand the world cops have to live in, but if you pull a weapon just because “I was afraid” you have no business wearing a badge. Simply being afraid is no defense.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  56. Dr. X says:

    Fred sets up the classic Straw Man — BLM vs. The Cops — so that he can side with the cops. I ain’t buying it.

    Cops are militarized, obnoxious control-freaks and yes-men to The System. They are power-trippers who get off on being able to do things you and I will get arrested for. The state I live in is one of the most corrupt in the country — the leaders of both legislative houses were convicted of felonies last December. Cops enforce the laws of these criminals in exchange for obscene pay, benefits, and 20-and-out retirement. Being a cop in some jurisdictions is better than hitting the lottery — literally.

    One of the things that drives me nuts about conservatives is the incessant cop-worship. The government is a criminal enterprise, and cops are its enforcers. The Constitution be damned. Courts, lawyers, cops — all of it 100% sucks and it’s all designed to screw you and me and protect the cosseted members of The System. I’m hardly a liberal Social Justice Warrior — just a not-very-financially-successful white boy who realizes that one bad interaction with an asshole cop and an asshole prosecutor can empty my bank account and crush my little eggshell of a life in a heartbeat.

    I don’t like Negroes or cops — a pox on both their houses. Fuck the cops.

    • Replies: @Santoculto
    , @AndrewR
  57. Do you know any cops? Have you ever known any? I mean known them well enough to have a beer with after work, or to invite to a get-together at your house. Have you ever really talked to a cop?

    Yup. I know several and have even been served meals and drinks at their houses, but so what?

    In general, they seem to be nice guys as neighbors, but total assholes otherwise. Their attitudes generally suck. But what do you expect from agents of the state which is a coercive and extractive institution no better than the mafia? Fred’s vaunted high IQ obviously isn’t enough help him discern and understand the truth about what the State is and what cops and other bureaucrats really are.

    Then there’s this. Yeah, I’m sure this jerk is a real Honey!

    California sheriff who says $276,000 pension not enough fuels push for reform…lobbies for $75,000 additional…

    • Agree: AndrewR
  58. How supposed Pathologically virtuous white people can have so much attention of the (((media)))?? How a stupid nice people can be so powerful?? Why (((media))) continue to communicate throughout its structure this beautiful lies??

  59. @Dr. X

    Agree quasi–absolutely but analyzing the common everyday interaction between urban criminals, many them who are blacks and policemen i concluded that the second group has been demonized and in other side the black lives has been angelized while both no have perfect actuation, far to be, in USA at least policemen seems to be less corrupt in everyday actions than in third world countries like Brazil. But about your observation about the role of police force while a voluntary available force to the big sharks I agree absolutely. Seems easy to perceive it in the same way is easy to perceive higher proportion of black dysfunctionality.

  60. woodNfish says:

    Hey Fred, I took some college classes with a local cop who wanted to become a sergeant or something and it required college credits to obtain. He liked to tell stories about how he was getting revenge on old high school coaches, ex-girlfriends, etc. who had dissed him in high school by writing them tickets. I think he is your typical cop – a thug who uses the uniform as a weapon. Outside of that core you will have some truly honest. good cops and then you will have your cops who use their power to be criminals and commit extortion, rape, assault, murder, sell drugs, especially drugs captured by the cops, protection racket, murder and more. And you have the true psychopaths.

    None of this has anything to do with race, and never has. Your focus on BLM is just an obfuscation of the real problem that cops are too willing to shoot and murder people because that is what they are taught to do. And cops murder many more whites than blacks every year.

    As for socializing with cops – no way! Cops are never off duty and cannot be trusted. You cannot have a normal relationship with a government thug, and all government is thuggery. Or as Thomas Paine said, “Society is good, government is evil.”

    • Agree: AndrewR
  61. AndrewR says:

    Baton Rouge isn’t in New Orleans.

  62. AndrewR says:

    Are you playing dumb or is it not an act?

  63. AndrewR says:
    @Son of Dixie

    “Durr hurr how can i blame everything on muds”

    You’re just as ignorant as the SJWs who blame evetything on whites.

    • Replies: @King George III
  64. Faust says:

    I have been arrested twice, one for failure to return a movie and once for failing to have my smoke detectors inspected (both the result of notices sent to incorrect addresses). When I was arrested for the smoke detectors, I was put in chains in front of my house, slapped around and called an asshole. I quickly realized the female officer was a trainee and the male was trying to impress her. They took me to the courthouse which wasn’t open yet. I mistakenly used my influence with the custodian (I went to high school with him) to gain entrance (it is uncomfortable sitting in the back of a cruiser in cuffs). That inflamed him.

    One local cop told me that he joined on returning from Viet Nam because “All I know how to do kill people”. He was later killed in a shoot out with Miami cops. He had been injured on duty and taken the money to Miami to enter the drug business.

    Several relatives are cops. They are quite open about “buying” promotion. Being in construction, I am well aware of the “thievery” in police details. If you contest them, the Building and Street departments come down on you. The “good old days”? I lived in NYC when the Knapp report came out, give that a read with both eyes. When we were really kids we would watch the night duty officers screwing their girlfriends out by the reservoir.

    I live in a small town. When I go to the police station to renew my pistol license, I notice the changes. Now they are all sheltered behind bulletproof glass. Do they really think the Americans are coming for them with guns? This really creates an “us and them” mentality.

  65. AndrewR says:

    Sandra Bland was extremely rude and antagonistic to the cop. I’m not here to play lawyer for the cop or the employees at the jail where she died but she was not a sympathetic figure.

  66. the only thing I don’t like about the current situation is that cops who break the laws aren’t punished. that is all. #BLM is at least 50% bs though. blm leaders really need to stop black on black killings before they worry about cops.

    and the looting that follows every major shooting. that just screams support the cops to everyone else.

  67. AndrewR says:
    @Delinquent Snail

    How much cop jizz have you drunk this week?

    • Replies: @Delinquent Snail
  68. AndrewR says:
    @Dr. X

    Thank you. There are way too many retards out there who unconditionally defend one side or the other. I dislike cops almost as much as I dislike blacks.

  69. CCZ says:

    This will send them a message:


    Protestors demanding justice in the fatal shooting of Philando Castile shut down two liquor stores in St. Anthony on Saturday [July 30]. It was a St. Anthony police officer who shot Castile in Falcon Heights on July 6.

    Demonstrators selected to shut down these two St. Anthony stores on Saturday because they say the stores’ profits go toward the St. Anthony Police Department, reported KMSP.

    WCCO said about 70-80 protestors marched from the St. Anthony City Hall to the liquor stores.

    The Star Tribune estimates that there were about 65 demonstrators present, chanting “From Emmett Till to Phil Castile, no justice, no peace!”

    The stores did close down early, which protestors declared a victory via Facebook.

  70. @Ace

    No, but I suspect that the “Make it home at the end of shift” mantra chanted by cops was written on one.

  71. @AndrewR

    If government employees cannot handle someone being rude and antagonistic to them, then they should quit and find honest work.

  72. @Delinquent Snail

    Or if I happen to be in public and a cop decides he doesn’t like the cut of my hair, the color of my truck, or if he can’t read a house number.

    I am always disrespectful of government employees. Respect must be earned and taking government employment is a detriment to getting respect from an honorable man.

    • Replies: @Delinquent Snail
  73. @AndrewR

    Please move to Africa.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  74. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I can’t figure out what cops do that actually needs to be done in most places. They don’t get your stolen stuff back or catch the vandal. They don’t seem to do a very good job preventing violent encounters with the obvious sorts of people who cause problems. They issue a lot of tickets to people driving at reasonable speeds in an obvious scam. They mostly babysit dysfunctional NAMs as far as I can tell.

    Police forces are a big part of what’s bankrupting cities across America and they don’t seem to do anything that couldn’t be done by much cheaper employees or volunteers. Let the NAMs kill each other and wreck their own neighborhoods. Let the non-NAMs exercise more control over who comes into their neighborhoods. Then there’s very few cops needed. Maybe a volunteer force, like with some fire departments.

  75. DWright says:

    Rude or not deferential enough?

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  76. @AndrewR

    Not a drop. I was taught as a kid to be respectful of authority, even if its corrupted authority. It seems to me like you are a petty criminal who is butthurt that you cant do what you want, because of these “pesky law enforcers”.
    I deal with cops regularly. I live in california (a very poor part even), and not a month goes by i dont have an interaction with law enforcement. I’ve talked my way out of more tickets then most people will receive in their entire life.
    Want to know the secret? Dont be an asshole. Be upfront and respectfull. Even if the cop is having a bad day, dont feed into it. It will save you time and money, maybe even your life.
    And before you say i dont know what im talking about, ive seen plenty of cops beat people down. Ive watch dogs get shot, people get tazed, riot police showing up cuz a student at a school stabbed the principal. Ive experienced alot of the bad first hand, and 95% of the time the perp was deserving of the “police brutality”.

    • Agree: Ace
    • LOL: AndrewR
  77. utu says:

    The most unprofessional police in the developed world. Undereducated. Low IQ. Untrained. Thin skin. Overweight. When in doubt shoot first rule of engagement. But should we be surprised? They work for and with American public which is undereducated, low IQ, untrained., thin skin, overweight, that believes shoot first ask questions later is the best approach. God bless America.

    • Replies: @joef
  78. @Chris Mallory

    I am always disrespectful of government employees.

    This. And you wonder why they harass you? You sound like an asshole. Probably wear tapout shirts and drive a raised chevy plastered in monster energy drink stickers while listening to some garbage from an idiot that thinks the word nigga is ok, but nigger is bad. This mentality is why we have an issue in this country with the police.

  79. AndrewR says:
    @Delinquent Snail

    You seem like someone who has difficulty not being an asshole.

    • Replies: @Delinquent Snail
  80. @AndrewR

    I just call them as i see them. If thats upsetting to you, you might need to sit down and reevaluate your perspective and stance.

  81. Truth says:
    @Delinquent Snail

    Want to know the secret? Dont be an asshole….Ive experienced alot of the bad first hand, and 95% of the time the perp was deserving of the “police brutality”.

    What you are saying in not necessarily untrue; anyone with half a brain knows that there are two sides to any confrontation, that police are humans with tempers, and that “a little kindness goes a long way, however, there is one simple concept, about which you seem to be in the dark: Police are not employed to assess sentencing, they are employed to keep order and make arrests. It is not that they should complete their job duties with minimum force necessary, THAT IS BY LAW WHAT THEY ARE EMPLOYED TO DO.

    Judges are paid to sentence criminals, not police, and lawmakers are paid to establish sentencing guidelines, therefore saying that a perp who is beaten by the police “got what he deserved” is a gross misunderstanding of the job title of “policeman.”

    • Replies: @Delinquent Snail
  82. D-FensDogG says: • Website

    There are some good comments above, and the nature of my own comment will indicate quite clearly which of them I have in mind when evaluating them positively.
    Fred Reed is a very talented, clever, and humorous writer, but I’m beginning to lose my patience with his (too-frequent now with his advancing age) outdated viewpoints.
    (That stat may not be 100% accurate, but it’s close enough.)
    It’s always been bad with the cops — it’s always been an “Us Against Them”, or “Blue Against Every Other Color” attitude — but it’s much worse today than ever before. I’m as “blue collar” as it gets; as “conservative” as it gets; I’m a gun owner who grew up in an exceptionally racially diverse area of Los Angeles; I despise Communist front organizations like BLM, et al. And I have known many cops on a personal, friendly level, which helps to explain my hatred of most cops today.
    My Grandfather was a police reserve officer, and as a teenager (14-17) in the 1970s, I was a high-ranking member of my local Police Explorer program. That’s where I first got to know cops very well in a relaxed, personal way. They took us on campouts, introduced me to underage drinking and porno movies. Yeah, they’re strictly law and order guys through and through! Many of them were blind-drunk and driving 4 hours after their shifts ended.
    The reason they’re even worse today than yesteryear is that most cops today have come out of the military where the only skills they learn are how to break things and kill people. Then you give these steroid-raging psychopaths a badge and turn them loose on society where they can let their little power trips play out with little to no oversight. “Break Things And Kill People” isn’t exactly a mindset that’s compatible with the motto “To Protect And Serve”. LEO wasn’t always an automatic professional step from post-military goon.
    I hereby sentence in-the-dark and out-to-lunch Fred Reed to 3 years of daily reading at the websites “Police Misconduct”, “Police State USA”, and William Grigg’s “Pro Libertate”. Then we’ll see if he still holds the same opinion of these Thugs-In-Blue that he does today.
    ~ D-FensDogG
    ‘Loyal American Underground’

    • Agree: Jacques Sheete
    • Replies: @utu
  83. @Truth

    You are right. This isnt a judge dredd style dystopia where cops get the final say. That still doesnt change the fact that the people crying victim are not blameless. If you are a cop and you see the same person go thru your hands over and over for a multitude of reasons, you, as a person, will begin to see that person as scum. And you wouldnt be wrong in that feeling.
    Drug addled, inebriated, borderline retarded people are becoming the baseline population. We, as a society, should be cheering for a group to “clean house”.

    • Replies: @Truth
  84. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    [Pick one handle and stick with it, or use Anonymous/Anon. Otherwise, your comments may get trashed.]

    Sandra Bland was extremely rude and antagonistic to the cop.

    Watch the video of that altercation. When officer jerk-off returned to Bland’s car w/ the traffic warning he goaded her into a reaction (he said something like, “you seem mad…”). And, of course, Bland reacted exactly the way officer jerk wanted her to. Then he escalated it further by insisting that she put out her cigarette. He could have simply handed her the warning and be on his way; if so, he’d still have a job and Bland would still be alive. The stop for failure to signal was merely a pretext to snoop in the car and ask questions; and Bland said she was pulling over to get out of his way.

    Remember, Bland is a NAM – our standards and expectations of her behavior are low. The officer is a well-paid, well-trained civil servant – our standards and expectations of behavior for him are justifiably high. Whether he likes it or not or whether it’s fair or not, the officer must be held to higher standards of behavior. This officer sunk to petty, juvenile behavior.

  85. anon • Disclaimer says:

    I look at that photo of all those stupid white people waving “BLM” signs and just shrug my head in disbelief. No way would blacks ever go out of their way for whites to return the favor.

    • Replies: @David In TN
  86. utu says:

    Liked your comment. While did not get to know cops as close as you did I am pretty sure you are correct. Them being ex military is one thing. It is amplified by their lack of training or by the training they receive. Keep in mind that the so-called training and rules of engagement are run and designed by Israeli based or Israeli linked security firms. Over there in Israel all they know is to shoot the Untermenschen Palestinians. The attitude of Israeli Übermenschen gets transplanted into the heads of American cops. We are all Palestinians now.

    • Replies: @Dr. X
    , @SteveRogers42
  87. @Macilrae

    1. whoa, that was 10 pounds of poop in a 5 pound bag, i almost NEVER not read articles, *especially* when i disagree with them, but i could not finish this pity-fest…
    2. um, IF you were to think to be even-handed, you could replace ‘cops’ with ‘victims’ or ‘perps’ or -you know- ‘people’ AND EVERY SINGLE WORD would be true the other way…
    although i don’t technically qualify for whatever stupid abbreviation thing you said, i am sure you would place me in that cohort…
    my point being, UNLESS we are the .00000001% of the population who was actually there at each of these incidents, actually knew the participants, we aren’t allowed to have an opinion based on whatever good/bad/indifferent media reports we have available to us ? ? ?
    no, i don’t know kops; no, -so far- i don’t know any of the victims…
    HOWEVER, if you are going to insist i can’t see with my own two eyes a POS kop pull up to a CHILD and shoot them before the car stops rocking, and try to tell me there was some kind of ‘context’ i am missing, i am calling you a lying sack of poop who will NEVER admit to ANY cops doing ANYTHING ‘bad’, period…
    IF you are going to tell me shooting that guy in the wal-mart with the pellet rifle was a righteous shooting, then you are lost and have NO moral compass to speak of…
    oh, and the OTHER guy who went around shooting pellet guns IN wal-marts to get rid of the birds…
    and the OTHER guy,
    and the OTHER gal,
    and the OTHER kid,
    and the OTHER 90 year old,
    and the OTHER baby flashbanged in the crib,
    ad nauseum…
    some 660+ so far this year…
    who knows how many dogs the pigs kill…
    (12 year old skinny kids on their paper routes deal with dozens of ‘bad’ dogs EVERY day; but adrenaline-junkie, roided-up, swatted-up, armed-to-the-teeth paramilitary-thugs get ascairt of a chihuahua… cowards…)

    how many kops are killed each year ?
    oh, you don’t know…
    the least since the 1930’s you say ?
    kops about half as likely to be murdered on the job as a firefighter, is that so ?
    store clerks and cabbies murdered about 4-5-6 times the rate of kops ?

    you first in line to extol the bravery and service to society of minute mart clerks ?
    no ?
    well, maybe we all should, sounds like they sacrifice their lives WAY more than kops, AND THAT IS NOT EVEN PART OF THEIR JOB ! ! !

    the worst type of citizen, period, is an authoritarian; you 25% of the population are one of the major impediments to progressive changes, i despise your weakness and fear that drives you to a Big Daddy, and drives you to destroy the new and different…

    • Replies: @Delinquent Snail
  88. @art guerrilla

    “12 year old skinny kids on their….” lol kids dont deliver papers anymore. Tweakers and illegals do. Its funny how many disconnected elderly people are on unz…….

  89. Dr. X says:

    The attitude of Israeli Übermenschen gets transplanted into the heads of American cops. We are all Palestinians now.

    Try living in upstate New York sometime. It’s like the Israeli-Occupied Territories on the West Bank of the Hudson River.

  90. @Truth

    Excellent trolling for sure. Well done.

  91. @Macilrae

    Ever seen a donut half eaten,the frosting gnawed off? I have…

  92. @Delinquent Snail

    I was taught as a kid to be respectful of authority, even if its corrupted authority.

    That was fine when you were a kid, but guess what?

    So “authority” is never to be questioned or held accountable? Good grief, that’s not even a real ‘Merkin attitude. Do you think G Washington and de boyz gave a hoot about King George and his “authority?”

    As Chris Mallory said, authority should be earned, and more often than not a uniform signifies a lamebrain with an attitude who deserves a laugh more than respect.

    If you choose to answer, be nice cuz I’m an “authority” too. 😉

    • Replies: @Delinquent Snail
  93. @Anonymous

    “The cops have lost all credibility with the tax-paying and non-tax-paying public and they did it to themselves.”

    They’re not respected by black America because of dealing with criminal blacks who ironically primarily victimize other blacks. And they’re not respected by the Useful Idiots in college who believe everything their professors and Jon Stewart tell them.

    Pretty much everyone else in America respects and appreciates cops for the work they do. Yes, even those tweed-wearing pretentious professors. The police are one of the few places my taxes go that I have no problem with.

    • Replies: @D-FensDogG
  94. @Chris Mallory

    Who in his right mind would be a cop if required to carry firearm hike the Africans and Mexicans and savages if any background have firearms?

    Better to arm more citizens to help themselves and the cops, not disarm the cops. We have nothing like the kind of high-trust, self-restrained one would need to disarm the cops and not have disaster, and we are moving farther away from that kind of society every year.

    • Replies: @Delinquent Snail
  95. Truth says:
    @Delinquent Snail

    Do you think a group that suffers from the same maladies should be the one to “clean house?”

    • Replies: @Delinquent Snail
  96. helena says:

    I don’t think Brit cops are particularly corrupt, maybe I’m wrong, but I’m sad that BLM has started in UK. You’re right about rules and regs; the London riots in 2011 started because a black family had not heard anything from the cops about their son’s shooting-by-cop – for 5 hours. Just imagine a white family marching on a police station for that reason. A lot of the problem is the result of simply not being able to work within pre-planned systems and procedures. The recent furore in Hyde Park for instance was because they hadn’t applied for a license to have a mini music festival. One can understand the desire to be spontaneous in hot weather. But one can also understand the chaos that would result if society ran on the lines of spontaneity.

  97. @Jacques Sheete

    Washington was in the brittish military. He respected king george long enough to make bank on that. They started a revolution because of the monarchy not because of the grunts on the ground. What happened then is a poor comparison for whats happening now in our country.

    Those “lamebranins” put their lives in danger several times a month to protect common people. Like you and me. Next time you see a car accident, look at who shows up first and starts helping people.

    Im all for the de-escalation of our current police state. However, as long as we have a large portion of the population that idolizes gangsters and criminals, i dont see it going anywhere anytime.

    Id rather deal with an asshole cop then an asshole mugger/rapist/murderer.

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
  98. @Truth

    I dont see a better option. Sometimes you need to let the spiders eat the roaches before you kill off the spiders.

    • Replies: @Truth
  99. @RadicalCenter

    Better to arm more citizens to help themselves and the cops, not disarm the cops. We have nothing like the kind of high-trust, self-restrained one would need to disarm the cops and not have disaster, and we are moving farther away from that kind of society every year


    This is the truth right here. Disarming the only group of people in this country keeping any kind of order would be society suicide.
    If you disagree you are either:
    (a) a fool,
    (b) a criminal looking for an easier time,
    (c) or have been living under a rock for 6 decades.

    Think about it. What would happen if all the police just quit? Peace rallies? Or “the purge”? If you chose peace rallies you are very naive.

  100. @utu

    What are your sources for the assertion that Israeli security trains US police forces? Where and when does this training take place? Names, dates, and locations, please.

    Police “rules of engagement” are not designed by Israel. Police use-of-force policies are an outgrowth of various Supreme Court decisions, with Graham v. Connor’s “objective reasonableness” standard the overarching criterion.

  101. Truth says:
    @Delinquent Snail

    If that worked, no one would have invented pesticide.

    • Replies: @Delinquent Snail
  102. @Delinquent Snail

    Id rather deal with an asshole cop then an asshole mugger/rapist/murderer.

    You obviously missed the point that cops are increasingly at least one of the above.

    FYI, unaccountable trigger happy punks with swagger and overstuffed with donuts do no one a favor.

    BTW, what are you trying to say about G Washington and de boyz? Did they, or did they not “respekt” the authority of King George? If so, how? (The point is that only useful idiots grant unconditional respect to some clown who claims “authority, or do you still fill your shorts as you did when you were a kid?)

    • Replies: @Delinquent Snail
  103. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    So go do a few ride alongs and see how you feel then. Better yet, become a cop and “fix” the problems since you won’t be afraid ever will you? In fact refuse to carry a gun. That way you can prove how brave you are.

    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
  104. Funny and odd, not to mention downright perverse, how Fred tries to play the victim card for the cops, the dufus agents of the State, and hates, among other things privileged white “libruls” aka PVWs.

    He apparently believes that the word, “liberal” is a very dirty word, yet what does he sound like in this superb classic, “War – Maybe We Could Go Bowling Instead?” Sounds a lot like the “libruls” he derides. Sounds pretty liberal to me as well.

    What happened, Fred, and do you even know what a true liberal is?

    Dear Fred, ‘Merka was supposedly founded on liberal principles and the Founders spouted a lot of really liberal stuff. Whether they actually believed it is another story, but still, it’s undeniable that liberalism was part of the genesis of the “republic.” The words, “liberty” and “liberal” share a common root which means freedom. Get it? So what do you have against the concept except that a police state would probably be just peachy as far as you’re concerned?

    In case you still don’t get it, those you’re labeling as liberals are really quite the opposite and most of those pathetic clowns would, like you, be quite snug and smug in some sort of police state. Please don’t continue the assault on a perfectly fine word by propagating the perversion of its true meaning.

  105. joef says:

    Police officers are not all the same. But too many of them are criminals. This of course because they are above the law. I’m old enough to remember when cops were mostly the good guys. If things were bad they got better when the cops got there. Not any more.

    It goes further than the police, its the collapse of the quality of our current generations. Much of this is because we have the vacuous millennials entering police work, who are full of an attitude of entitlement, and they lack common sense. On top of that is the police & political hierarchy removing discretion from the line officers decisions. This was mainly done for politically correct cases such as domestic violence, and revenue generating activities, such as traffic tickets.

    I remember reading about how Mayor Bloomberg of NYC used the corporate model of removing older ‘expensive’ workers to make room for younger workers. The removal of hardened veterans who already developed discipline & prudence as a guide for the younger generation of cops (who already came from the most spoiled generation that America produced, who were the progeny of the baby boomer flower child generation) is a recipe for disaster.
    The millennial generation are full of arrogance (from all that self esteem, without accomplishment, training they get for education these days) which to them replaces real life experience.

    Unfortunately, I do not see this getting any better because, like every other occupation, you can only recruit new workers from what is available from society at large. And most of the pool are just further people from a trash generation. So whoever you get who is actually good from this millennial generation is completely limited.

  106. joef says:

    But should we be surprised? They work for and with American public which is undereducated, low IQ, untrained., thin skin, overweight, that believes shoot first ask questions later is the best approach. God bless America.

    You have touched upon something that reflects on the reality of our situation. Overall the police are nothing more than a reflection of what society is at large, and they come from the available pool of society itself (with exception to some aggressive egocentrics who are always attracted to positions of authority, which is whatever occupation that can gain them money and power over other people). I believe you are starting to gain some discretion; now all you have to do is to make some real world distinctions (LOL).

  107. D-FensDogG says: • Website
    @Grandpa Jack

    >>… Pretty much everyone else in America respects and appreciates cops for the work they do.
    Where is this “OSTRICHBURG” you live in?
    Of the many dozens of people I know, scattered across the U.S. — each and every person a decent, intelligent, law-abiding person worth maintaining a friendship / association with — I could name only two or perhaps three who don’t distrust and strongly dislike cops in general.
    How’s the weather in “OSTRICHBURG”?
    ~ D-FensDogG
    ‘Loyal American Underground’

  108. @Truth

    Pesticides were invented to protect crops from pests. Not deal with infestations. To deal with insect infestations, its advised to get another insect that eats the pest. Pesticides are just poison that pollutes everything around it.

  109. @Jacques Sheete

    Jeeze jock, did you get beaten by a cop or something? They arent all bad and the fact that you so vehemently want them removed from power raises questions about you. Like why? Do you even think about the power vacuum that would appear? The MILLIONS of americans that would be killed from the riots, fires, and straight up murders? Only criminals want the police disarmed or disbanded.

    About washington and the revolution. They did start a revolution. They did “disrespect” the “authority” of the british monarchy. But thats looking at it in the simplest way. But hey, not every one can see the big picture. (the point is, we have a governing body for a reason. Humans are petty, vain animals that need to be controlled. Look at africa and the middle east and tell me how great they are with their lax governments. Oh wait, you cant. Seeing as how they dont produce anything substantial except more people.)

  110. @pyrrhus

    …raised before the gated community came into existence…

    So what was it like in Eden before the fall?

  111. @anon

    Yep, the love “those stupid white people waving ‘BLM’ signs” have for blacks is not returned one iota. Not one iota.

  112. I love Fred’s articles, but this is unmitigated BS. I raised my kids in a relatively rural town where there are very few blacks and the cops have a disproportion number of little Hitlers on the force. Their main function seems to be to break up every single party that young people throw. I’m not exaggerating: every time the young people throw a party, the cops show up to break it up. A cop pulled over my son because one of his tail lights was out. Very easy to miss. The cowardly little pussy stood away from the car ready to pull his gun because apparently, a skinny little white kid is a potential threat. No, this town does NOT have a problem with unruly citizens. I have many examples of these clowns, though I have the opposite stories as well: there are a couple of guys on the force who love the young people in town. They’ve befriended my sons and their friends and they’re genuinely decent men whom I’m glad to have in uniform. One of them told me that he’s leaving the force after nearly 20 years because he can no longer take the abusive directives from his boss.

    One more story: one day I merged from one highway to another. It’s a merge that takes you from one highway into the left lane of the highway that you’re entering. I was driving about 5mph over the speed limit and a car came onto my ass at a high rate of speed. It was back in the 90s when drug dealers’ cars stood out like a sore thumb and this was one of them. I had two choices: attempt to slowly force myself between cars in the right lane, further irritating the thug behind me, or speed up until I passed the people on the right and move over. The latter was the safest move, so I did it. Come to find out, the thug behind me was a cop in a car that the state police confiscated from a drug dealer. He gave me a ticket for speeding. Ever since then I’ve had zero respect for these hypocritical scumbags, as they speed, turn without signaling, and make Hollywood stops, while giving us tickets for doing the same. They’re generally belligerent morons who are too stupid to not put targets on their own backs.

  113. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Ah, Fred Fred Fred.

    I generally think you & what you write is largely the bees’ knees, but you’ve done lost me here. Instead of a serious column, with actual thoughtful insight, you chose to knock out a quick-n-dirty apologia for the coppers. And then cloak the barnyard odor with high-school level Psych 101. SO folks don’t like out of control cops because said folks are just a little snobbish? Cliqueish? A-Skeert & intimidated by the cops’ rampant “masculinity”? Said folks are also sort of on the dumb side, because, as you pontificate, they just can’t wrap their small, narrow minds around The Truth. Which, per Fred, is, “There are at least two explanations, neither of which you are likely to understand, for your detestation of cops”.


    What a steaming load of condescending horseshiite.

    Speaking just for myself here, HERE are “at least 3 explanations, [none] of which you are likely to acknowledge, for my detestation of cops.

    1) per the Washington Post, it seems that USA cops kill roughly 25 dogs per day in the course of their duties. 25 dogs. Each and every day. How Brave of them. Before the cop-jock-sniffers all mewl about “drug dealer pit bullz!!”, kindly A) google the word “puppycide” and note it brings up tens of thousands of results, and B) how come UPS and Fedex guys manage to “just make it home to their families that night” without finding it necessary to kill 10,000 dogs a year? How do they do that? C) Heck, forget the dogs. Why do cops here in the Land of the Free kill 1000+ PEOPLE (more or less) every year, when German cops manage to go DECADES without killing even just 1 person? How’s that happen? Hmmm?
    2) as has been demonstrated ad nauseum year after year, highly-trained, *very* highly-paid cops on duty all seem to have less fire discipline (and accuracy) than any 18-year-old buck private fresh outta boot camp in Anbar province. Story after story after story of cops killing old ladies and firebombing babies while serving a chickenshiite 2-bit weed warrant. It’s a national disgrace, and blind, wild, gutless-under-fire panic actions (“Cleveland Cops unload 137 rounds into a stopped car” “Brave Selfless Mad Dog Cop fired 49 of those shots, including dumping a 15-round mag into the vehicle while standing on the hood”) like that would get that Buck Private a DD or a prison stretch forthwith.
    3) which brings us to item #3. The Cop Gang Ethos. Who do cops hate more than gang-bangers? Or Killaz? Or Bad People? Yes, that’s right: all cops hate **any fellow cop who would dare snitch on a dirty cop, the Law and public safety be damned** mostest of all. Just like any Crip/Blood/Disciple/etc does. Huh. THAT doesn’t sound very Protect-and-Servey, does it….

    See you coppers at the Revolution, boys. If you don’t do what New Orleans’ Finest did during Katrina, when their city needed them most (I.E., run away like little girls)…I doubt you’ll enjoy it much.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @SteveRogers42
  114. utu says:

    You are making great points:

    (*) how come UPS and Fedex guys manage to “just make it home to their families that night” without finding it necessary to kill 10,000 dogs a year? How do they do that? C) Heck, forget the dogs. Why do cops here in the Land of the Free kill 1000+ PEOPLE (more or less) every year, when German cops manage to go DECADES without killing even just 1 person?

    (**) Story after story after story of cops killing old ladies and firebombing babies while serving a chickenshiite 2-bit weed warrant. It’s a national disgrace, and blind, wild, gutless-under-fire panic actions (“Cleveland Cops unload 137 rounds into a stopped car” “Brave Selfless Mad Dog Cop fired 49 of those shots, including dumping a 15-round mag into the vehicle while standing on the hood”)

    But many Americans (mostly white) accept it and consider it being normal and necessary.

  115. @Anonymous

    1. B) UPS and FedEx aren’t serving warrants in crack houses, chasing fleeing felons through alleys, or even responding to “dangerous dog” calls. They are placing packages on doorsteps, ringing the bell, and leaving. Apples and oranges.

    1. C) German cops are dealing with — wait for it — Germans. A culture rather well-known for its respect for authority and compliance with rules. There are no MLK Blvds. in Deutschland. Notice these same German cops at present being completely unable to deal with the antics of the Islamic rapefugees, who are somewhat less enamored with the virtues of Ordnung.

    2. Most police are not “highly trained” with their service weapon, or indeed with any physical use-of-force tool. They are given a few hours of range time 4 times a year, with the bulk of that time devoted to state-mandated “qualification” shoots on paper targets, at known distances, in broad daylight. Any USMC private is far more proficient with his rifle than most urban police are with their pistol — in addition to being far more physically-fit and better conditioned mentally for combative situations. To police administrators, this is a feature, not a bug.

    3. “All cops” with the rank of Lt., Captain, or Chief are absolutely dis-interested in covering up for a street cop’s indiscretions. Their continued progress up the greasy pole depends upon their willingness to sacrifice those beneath them. The “Blue Code” makes for exciting movies, but in real life the command staff is eager to uncover any malfeasance – great or small – in order to demonstrate to promotional boards that they are ready, willing, and able to [email protected](k their buddy.

    Katrina — N.O.P.D. is possibly the most corrupt and backwards police department in the U.S. Check out some photos of their rank-and-file and their command staff. Something may occur to you.

    • Replies: @utu
  116. @Quartermaster

    Please don’t conflate paramilitary Interior Ministry units with municipal police or county deputies.

  117. @Ace

    And that was probably the hottest call of their week on the mean streets of Aalborg. Were they “rousting”, by any chance — a Dane? Or was it a 300-pound slab of ghetto attitude high on PCP?

    • Replies: @Ace
  118. utu says:

    You are another apologist of American police? You are wrong on all 3 points.

    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
  119. utu says:

    I have never seen police shooting video with the shooting that was justified. If the cops were British, German or Swedish the outcomes would not be lethal. The suspect would be arrested and nobody would be hurt. American police knows only one rule of engagement which is shoot and ask questions later. They could be retrained, even thought they are challenged in the IQ department, if there was a will but apparently to most Americans, the current police behavior is OK. It is a pity.

    • Replies: @joef
  120. joef says:

    Thats because the media and youtube only show the most egregious cases ( and I’m sure your the type who sees only what fits your own ideology).
    You seem incapable of making any distinctions, on a case by case basis. Therefore an objective opinion by you cannot be trusted.
    You only make generalized statements, and ad hominem attacks that you mistaken for proper reasoning. Its like a typical academic: ALL BOOK SMARTS & NO STREET SMARTS!! Your statements show a lack of real life experience – – its easy to pontificate from afar.

    In regards to a buck private as compared to ghetto cops using their firearms:
    Two different functions, and since most cops did both occupations (most have military experience, & many were reservist who went to Iraq and Afghanistan), they otherwise would not need to be acclimated to their new occupation if that was not true:
    One operates alone with a handgun (and is mostly outgunned). Violence encountered is up close and personal.
    The other is working with a team with a on site command structure, with plenty of support, carrying a big bore rifle, and mostly outgunning the enemy with better equipment.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @SteveRogers42
  121. utu says:

    UK guy with knife. Would be dead in the US. Note that UK police withdraws when necessary. American police never do. They shoot.

  122. utu says:

    You are a shill for police. If you are a policeman I can understand. If you are not, than it means you are an idiot.

    • Replies: @joef
  123. joef says:

    I feel sorry for you, you are so trapped by your own idealogical rants that you cannot confront reality. The brits did good, but that sort of tactics also takes place in the U.S. You intentionally ignore everything that does not fit your own world view.

    I am not saying that you do not have some valid criticisms, you do; you just lack balance. And thats a shame because you do strike me as an intelligent man.

    But have you ever been confronted by a person with a knife (I have!!). Did you ever see someone stabbed in real life, or at least know someone who has been stabbed (again I knew multiple victims). Do you know anyone who was killed by a knife (I do!) A knife does not need reloading and can cause a lot of trauma. Some local mobsters I knew of, from the City I used to live, preferred them (mostly to beet the gun charge, but they still did damage with them). Additionally a charging man with a knife can close the distance of 30 feet in one second.

    Policing can use reforming, not throwing out the baby with the bathwater, and not making them all collectively guilty, for the actions of other cops they do not even know. Collective guilt is a tool that communist used against their political enemies. Are you not better than that?

    • Replies: @utu
  124. utu says:

    US police rule of engagement 1: shoot man on the ground who is being tasered

    US police rule of engagement 2: shoot man who is walking away

    US police rule of engagement 3: shoot man on the ground who has been already shot

    US police rule of engagement 4: shoot man on the ground who is in handcuffs

    • Replies: @Ace
  125. Ace says:

    Definitely a Dane. Older white guy and not belligerent.

    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
  126. utu says:

    Don’t waist your time selling your police propaganda talking points.

  127. Ace says:

    That female officer in the first video is hysterical and does not belong in a uniform.

  128. utu says:

    “That female officer in the first video is hysterical and does not belong in a uniform.” – that is some mitigating circumstance at least. Officers on the other videos are just the cold blooded killers who have no mitigating circumstances.

  129. joef says:

    For your information, I am not a shill for anything: My admitted bias is paleo conservatism ,with some preference for Reagan Democrats (at least I admit that I have biases).
    I recognize that any group can have systemic problems, however I also recognize that each individual is responsible for his own actions and not the entire group (unless he is enabling it while not under duress to do so). So if not believing in the concept of collective guilt makes me a shill in your worldview, then I guess I am guilty.
    I really do not enjoy criticizing your ideas. Somehow I do believe you mean well; just misguided.

    There are no universal rules of engagement for the police in this nation. It is not one giant organization like the military, under unified rule/control. They are separated by 50 states with their own laws regarding arrest, use of force, and mandated police academy training. Then there is not even universal agreement within the states themselves, with each dept having their own policy and procedures. Out of 400,000 cops in this nation, and millions of community interactions, it does not take a genius to find the bad ones (which are the ones you obsess over).

    Do you equally obsess about the many many more victims of violent crime that take place in this country? Just because violent crime never touched you in your sheltered life does not mean it does not touch others (it sounds to me that you are completely unconcerned about this). But I guess something you prefer not to believe, does not exist.

    I do know that there are aggressive egocentric cops in existence because I have had negative experiences with them – – I just do not choose to hold every other cop accountable for them (they probably hate working with him). A line employee and or his supervisor do not have authority to hire and fire within any organization that I know of. That responsibility remains in the authority of management. Thus how can one cop be held accountable for another cop who is an aggressive egocentric, who he had no say in his hiring, nor any say in his continued employment?

    Your resentment seems to cloud your ability to make any discernments.
    Learning how to make distinctions is a very valuable life skill.
    What anarcho capitalist do not understand is that history shows that violent gangs and warlords will enter the vacuum and obtain control of an area (and sometimes a nation) when left unchallenged; and all the silly utopian ideology will not change that. Eventual reality always will impose itself against ideology.
    Good luck.

  130. utu says:

    US police rule of engagement 5: shoot mentally ill man with a screw driver

    US police rule of engagement 6: shoot man who took his hat off

    US police rule of engagement 7: execute huncuffed man

    US police rule of engagement 8: shooting man 8 times in the back

  131. utu says:

    Court OKs Barring High IQs for Cops

    “Jordan, a 49-year-old college graduate, took the exam in 1996 and scored 33 points, the equivalent of an IQ of 125. But New London police interviewed only candidates who scored 20 to 27, on the theory that those who scored too high could get bored with police work and leave soon after undergoing costly training.

    Most Cops Just Above Normal The average score nationally for police officers is 21 to 22, the equivalent of an IQ of 104, or just a little above average.”

    Obviously “the theory” that they give as the reason is not the true reason why they do not hire smarter people.

  132. @utu

    Hardly an apologist. Definitely a subject-matter expert.

    • Replies: @utu
  133. @utu

    The poor little Bobbies HAVE to “withdraw when necessary”. They have no guns. Sure, if the guy is a stumblebum and falls down and arrests himself, all is well. If this guy was a determined attacker, they’d be having a big maudlin police funeral that week.

  134. @joef

    Good distinction vis-a-vis the functions of military vs. police.

    However, on the Left Coast, most police are NOT military veterans. Unspoken quotas are established in order to prevent a disproportionate hiring of vets, because the politicians that run the show don’t want aggressive officers who are proficient with their weapons. They want Officer Friendly types who will throw themselves enthusiastically into “Community Policing.” SJW types both within and without the PD’s control who gets how far in the hiring process, and not only are they uncomfortable with alpha males, but they definitely want to hire recruits who will “look more like America”.

    Also, most military people were not front-line trigger-pullers. A department may hire discharged vets who worked in a support services capacity and have no more combative skills or experience than their counterparts in the civilian world.

    • Replies: @utu
  135. utu says:

    You are a cop too since you know so much about hiring policies. So, what is your IQ?

    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
  136. utu says:

    Educated cops and low IQ American cops

    “The Netherlands, Norway and Finland, for example, require police to attend a national academy – a college for cops – for three years. In Norway, over 5,000 applicants recently competed for the 700 annual spots.

    Three years affords police ample time to learn to better understand, communicate with and calm distraught individuals. By contrast, in 2006, US police academies provided an average of 19 weeks of classroom instruction.

    Under such constraints, the average recruit in the US spends almost 20 times as many hours of training in using force than in conflict de-escalation. Most states require fewer than eight hours of crisis intervention training.

    Desperate and potentially dangerous people in Europe are, therefore, more likely than their American counterparts to encounter well-educated and restrained police officers.”

  137. utu says:

    Is police job high risk?


    “In five years, 2008 to 2012, only one policeman was killed by a firearm in the line of duty in New York City. Police officers are many times more likely to commit suicide than to be killed by a criminal; nine NYC policemen attempted to take their own lives in 2012, alone. Eight succeeded. In 2013, eight NYPD officers attempted suicide, while six succeeded. If police want to protect themselves, a wise move might be to invest in psychiatric counseling, rather than increased firepower.”

    Ten deadliest jobs and police is not among them

    1. Logging workers: 128.8
    2. Fishers and related fishing workers: 117
    3. Aircraft pilot and flight engineers: 53.4
    4. Roofers: 40.5
    5. Structural iron and steel workers: 37
    6. Refuse and recyclable material collectors: 27.1
    7. Electrical power-line installers and repairers: 23
    8. Drivers/sales workers and truck drivers: 22.1
    9. Farmers, ranchers, and other agricultural managers: 21.3
    10. Construction laborers: 17.4

    Only 76 cops died in the line of duty in 2013

    Of the 76 cops who died in the line of duty in 2013, 18 of them were from gunfire. The rest were traffic fatalities or slips and falls.

    Officer police are not killed at higher rate than the national murder rate.

  138. rod1963 says:
    @Delinquent Snail

    I know what you’re talking about and mostly agree.

    However I’m quite aware that the police have no qualms about harassing poorer people because they know they don’t have the $$$ to hire a good lawyer and sue the SOB’s. I drive a old Buick and get tailgated by cops constantly, they think it’s funny harassing a disabled middle-aged white guy.


    I remember a case in Fullerton,CA where police beat to death a homeless man who weighed a 135lbs. 5 of them gang piled the little guy and basically crushed his head and chest, he died in the hospital. BTW the victim was white.

    Initially the cops celebrated at the station and the watch commander helped white wash the reports and cover up the murder. Later after much public outcry the DA charged and convicted two cops for murder. It should have included the watch commander and the senior officer in charge at the time as well who let things get out of hand.

    Take the Orlando terrorist incident. It’s well known the cops had a shootout with the Muzzie in the night club and the cops admit they shot club goers, yet no charges have ever been filed against those officers for shooting bystander’s.

    Or go back to the Dorner case in Los Angeles. After his initial rampage the police staked out a house of a retired police Lt. Early in the morning a paper delivery truck driven a little Mexican lady and her helper was riddled by the cops, one lady got a bullet near the spine. Police excuse? They said the 5’2″ Mexican lady looked like a 6’4″ black man. Initially the LAPD blamed them and refused to compensate them. Then the LAPD promised to get them a used truck and they told the LAPD to go f***off and promptly sued the LAPD to get decent compensation. Also the LAPD put numerous bullet holes in the nearby homes as well which the LAPD refused to even apologize for.

    The point in all this is the lack of accountability and responsibility. People see this and don’t like it. We can’t shoot up a neighborhood or someones car with them in it and not do hard time. Cops can and do with impunity.

  139. @utu

    Qualifies me for Mensa. Comfortably.

    Not only do I know a lot about hiring procedures, but I’m conversant with many other aspects of objective reality, as well. How’s your hunt for the invisible Israeli ninjas coming? You know, the ones that haunt American police academies turning recruits into hitmen?

  140. utu says:

    “conversant with many other aspects of objective reality” – where did you get this phrase from? In your local Mensa chapter in Hick Town, Arkansas? Yup, low IQ cop.

    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
  141. utu says:

    “In a seemingly ever shrinking world, which is growing more and more connected through the Internet, information sharing has become important to everyone, and to every profession. The law enforcement profession is no exception. As our world grows more interconnected, and as criminal and terrorist threats become more global in scope, the need to learn from others’ experiences in order to enhance and improve upon our own practices also increases. The staff at the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA) are incredibly aware of this, and through their Law Enforcement Exchange Program (LEEP) they aim to connect law enforcement professionals in the United States with their counterparts in Israel, in order to learn how to better protect the U.S. communities from terrorist attacks.”

    “At least 300 high-ranking U.S. sheriffs and police from all over the country, as well as FBI and US Customs and Border Protection agents, have traveled to Israel to learn first-hand the most efficient means of subduing populations. The purported reason is counterterrorism, but protests and crowd control methods are commonly discussed.
    Police are not learning from the Israeli criminal law sector that deals with Jewish residents. U.S. police are learning from Israel’s military justice system, which controls Palestinians through paramilitary and counterinsurgency tactics. Residents of Gaza and the West Bank live in what is essentially a giant prison camp, where oppression and brutality from the IDF is a way of life. The use of excessive or deadly force for crowd control is rarely questioned.”

  142. I used to work with cops, went paintball shooting, drinking, and skiiing with them, back in the 1980s and 90s. I have to say, they seem to have changed since then.

    There have always been cops who liked being bullies, but it used to be that you could at least talk to most of them. Today, they’re aggressive and arrogant, and they’re trained to view any disagreement with them as a threat. The training is a big part of the problem: cops are trained to see you and me, and any other civilian, as the enemy.

    And here’s the thing. How many times are we told that the safety of the police officer is top priority? How many times do we read about some poor sap who got shot for making the cop feel “threatened for his safety,” and turns out to be unarmed and not a threat at all? How about MY safety? If I’m paying their salaries, my safety and that of my fellow citizens should come first, THEN that of the cops! Otherwise, they should get other jobs.

    When you’re stopped by a cop, be cheerful and completely submissive, and follow all his orders. Don’t look sideways at him, don’t disagree with him. If you do, there’s a good chance he will take offence. And if he does, you’re in trouble, because he can do almost anything to you, and claim you “resisted.” He’s almost certain to get off scot free, and you may be facing a jail term, if you’re still breathing.

    Does that sound like we live in a free society?

    • Agree: anarchyst
    • Replies: @utu
  143. @utu

    You are a strange and hostile little “man”, and you obviously have a large double-bladed axe to grind. I don’t know the reason for your maladjustment, but I suggest you ask your shrink for some of Hillary’s meds. They seem to keep her on a somewhat even keel…most of the time.

    Good luck, and watch out for those Israelis! Ooooh, look! there’s one now!

    • Replies: @joef
  144. utu says:
    @Bizarro World Observer

    Great comment. My feelings exactly. It won’t change as long as American public will tolerate it. Is American public uninformed or just has very low expectation. It’s disgusting.

  145. utu says:

    US police rule of engagement 9: Shoot at the car and chase the driver on foot and shoot him in the back

    Super professionalism of American cops!

  146. joef says:

    You are a strange and hostile little “man”, and you obviously have a large double-bladed axe to grind. I don’t know the reason for your maladjustment, but I suggest you ask your shrink for some of Hillary’s meds. They seem to keep her on a somewhat even keel…most of the time.

    I couldn’t agree with you more. Apparently Utu believes he is omniscient because he absolutely knows all the IQs of all police officers in existence. Unfortunately he appears to be very unidimensional who spends all his time trolling around for bad conduct by cops. If he was just a guy who hates the abuse of authority I could understand him; but it seems his irrational resentments go way beyond that. His lack of objectivity is profound, and he seems unable to control his negative emotions (maybe he should read the old Roman Stoics to calm himself down).
    After a while all this resentful troll talk gets very boring.

  147. Thanks, joef.

    It strikes me that some of these anti-authority libertarians should be careful what they wish for, because they just might get it: If we fall for the media-driven demonization of local cops, the inevitable alternative will not be Mayberry, but an increasing federalization of local police. Under Holder/Lynch, the DOJ has established “consent decrees” that place municipal PD’s directly under the federal thumb, and I could see this trend growing exponentially if there is a so-called groundswell of public opinion that “cops are out of control” and “something needs to be done”. Already, marked SUV’s from DHS patrol Seattle streets, rousting drunks in tandem with Seattle PD., and that certainly seems like a part of Obama’s 2008 vision to have ” a civilian national security force” to “meet the national security goals that we’ve set”.

    If you resent your local police, you’re REALLY gonna hate the FedGov’s Interior Ministry troops, if and when they ever get them fully in place.

    • Replies: @joef
  148. joef says:

    The nationalization of local police departments, in direct violation of the concept of federalism, is my fear as well. The worst part of it is that lying to a Federal Official is a Federal crime. This makes stating an error of recollection a potential Federal criminal charge for an overzealous Federal Prosecutor. My prediction, if federalized police actually happens, is that it will be mostly about civil forfeitures against the productive class rather than actual law enforcement against violent criminals (which is falling out of favor due to political correctness).

    At one time I considered myself a paleo libertarian, but with the emergence of anarcho capitalism, I grew away from it. For some reason these Rothbard followers believe that 10,000 years of collective human wisdom (which includes the founding fathers) on how best to formulate a civilization could be superseded by a crank idea. A crank idea that is based on utopianism, and like socialism, never worked on a mass scale in human history.
    They seem to be a little detached from reality, believing that clever rhetoric supersedes actual reality. The real result of anarcho capitalism is chaos by mob rule. It definitely would not work with our current narcissistic culture, and especially anarchos who strike me as a bunch of egoist. If people do not play fair with a government, what makes them believe that people will play fair without one?

    Their mindset is very similar to Leftist. I believe that this convergence was a unforeseen consequence to the Iraq war. At that time the Libertarians, Paleo conservatives, and liberals all had their own criticisms of the war. However it seemed that the Libertarians wanted to cozy up to the Leftist, and mix in the same cocktail parties. As a result they now pander & repeat the leftwing (wing nut) talking points.

    Although I am a believer in limited government, you do need some form of government to protect property rights, enforce contracts, and provided services so society can conduct efficient trade & commerce. Without a rule of law there can be no civilization, and things degenerate rather quickly to a situation of all against all, with everyone popping off at their favorite scapegoats (similar to what utu does).

    On top of that the anarcho crowd seem to be uncaring of their fellow citizen:
    – – They ignore real crime victims through their obsessive police bashing;
    – – They ignore that open borders has caused employment chaos through cheap labor, and also allows criminal gangs/terrorism to infiltrate into nations;
    – – They push for free trade not minding the toll of unemployment, and loss of manufacturing. They claim that comparative advantage will balance it all out, but our continued trade deficits say a different story. The biggest benefactor are multinationals, with some claiming that they do not consider themselves American companies anymore (hows that for loyalty!)

    I wish the anarchos, & pseudo freedom fighter types, would stop with their immature rantings and let the adults handle it.

    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
  149. utu says:

    Well trained federal police that wold replace poorly trained and corrupt yahoos and cowboys in local police departments would be a step in right direction except that general attitude and the rules of engagement of federal agencies in the US are more akin to the occupation force in the hostile and foreign territory than genuine police force. Waco and Ruby Ridge come to mind.

    I believe that the yahoos and cowboys can be properly retrained. There would be lots of bad apples that would need to be get rid off but the overall police force can be salvaged, however a major change in philosophy and values would have to occur. I am not sure that this is possible at the current level of maturity of American society. Some social engineering will have to be applied. After all Americans can learn and can be induced towards more civilized behaviors.The habit of spitting in public places was practically eliminated in the 1st half of the 20 century. Perhaps shooting at moving cars, at people running away, at people laying on the ground can also be eliminated with some inducement. In Pacific War theater American soldiers had a habit of killing POW’s or rather not taking POW’s at all. They were offered a treat of ice cream or a day off for a live Japanese soldier. And the number of POW’s began to increase. Perhaps the yahoos and cowboys from police department could also incentivized with an ice cream to bring people alive. If not ice cream then whatever works with these monkeys. But the monkeys must stop killing human beings.

    • Replies: @D-FensDogG
  150. @joef

    You seem to have given the matter a great deal of thought. The only thing I could add would be that the era of “chaos by mob rule” might be comparatively short-lived, as the toughest and trickiest of the wildlings coalesce under gang leaders, who become warlords, who become Generalissimos. Not an original idea, I know, but I think it bears repeating.

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  151. joef says:

    I do not know how the future will exactly happen. Its like predicting the next financial bubble; you know, by reviewing the data, that the conditions exist for a financial downturn, however its almost impossible to predict when, the exact intensity, or exactly what other areas of society will be effected. However if you divorce yourself from your emotions, and recognize the way things really are, instead of what you wish them to be (thats good advice for you utu), then you have a better chance of making an accurate analysis. If trend lines are heading in a certain direction, and they are not diverted, then they will eventually arrive at a certain economic/social destination.

    Some of the bad elements that are converging:
    – – As a nation we are beyond not agreeing on solutions to problems; we are at the point that we no longer agree what the problems are; Instead we, as a country, scapegoat each other (such targets as the 1%, police, jews, or blame whitey, etc)
    – – We are in a world wide economic decline, mostly involving the problem of debt.
    – – China is not excluded with their manufacturing overproduction bubble, real estate bubble (empty cities), and unserviceable borrowing, by local town & village enterprises, from shadow banking institutions.
    – – We have real problem with racial balkanization that the leftist are irresponsibly promoting (as Lincoln said: “A house divided cannot stand”).

    The above conditions are not conducive for a healthy state. The result from the above may have the following potential outcomes:
    – – Austerity, especially with our underfunded public & private pension funds;
    – – Bank holidays, and haircuts;
    – – Civil unrest (including rioting, looting, and arson);
    – – Shortages/disruptions in staples (may lead to rationing by the govt);
    – – State bond defaults;
    – – Market volatility (already starting);
    – – Cities returning to semi feral status like they were in the 1970’s, and the way Detroit & Camden NJ are today (Feral cities is a concept by a U.S. Naval War College professor. Basically it describes a failed state like situation on the local municipal level involving overseas cities);
    – – The companion to this is very high urban crime;
    – – The cutting of services such as postal, sanitation, corrections, police, firefighters, road repair and military base closures.
    – – In the private sector retail stores, banks and hospital closures (which you are already seeing in the Boswash area cities);
    – – With the worldwide slowdown in commodities you can see deflation, which although good for the consumer, is bad for industry when sale prices potentially fall below production costs (thus causing company failures);
    – – The followup is potential hyperinflation where our fiat currency becomes devalued to near worthless levels.
    – – Very high unemployment;
    – – Depending on the severity, the possible future devolution of the States is not impossible, with some areas doing better than others (some may even resemble failed states and thats where gangs traditionally fill in the void, as well as other non state actors);

    Will any of this or all of this happen? Who knows, but the potential is there. They have happened in the past, and they have happened in other parts of the world. I believe we are not as unique & insulated as we fool ourselves into believing. History shows that prosperity was not the normal human condition. The normal human condition throughout history was hardship and struggle. We are not generally accustomed to adversity, thus I can see any of this leading to a massive amount of social disruption.

    In summation: economic decline plus racial balkanization is a very bad formula for national stability.

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  152. D-FensDogG says: • Website

    UTU, surely you know it plenty well enough without me even having to state it, but I will state it nonetheless: You thoroughly crushed your opponents SteveRogers42 and Joef here — both of whom are LEO apologists with blinders on. (Probably cops themselves or somehow related to or associated with LEOs.)
    At any rate, you did a good job providing evidence / examples to support your arguments. Hopefully more and more people will regularly visit the websites I previously mentioned (“Police Misconduct”, “Police State USA”, and William Grigg’s “Pro Libertate”) so as not to be fooled by propagandist characters such as the ones you crushed here.
    If I were the benevolent dictator of the USA, a rule I would immediately establish is that no former military personnel would be allowed to hold any LEO job. As I also stated earlier, the “Break Things And Kill People” mindset is NOT compatible with the motto “To Protect And Serve” the general populace. I’m convinced that the BIGGEST problems we have with cops today stems from the fact that the vast majority of them have come with a military background (and so many of them raging on ‘roids).
    ~ D-FensDogG
    ‘Loyal American Underground’

    • Replies: @joef
    , @SteveRogers42
    , @utu
  153. joef says:

    He is detached from reality, and would probably make a great crime victim so I wouldn’t recommend him leaving his bubble fantasy world. He never answers any questions, he just repeats his talking points. I guess you do not understand the concept of statistical outliers, which always exist.
    I am not making up things as I go along like you guys, and I am not going to let your silly freedom fighter fantasies supersede the reality of over a half century of life experience. You guys are sheltered and obviously have no street smarts. I have dealt with real violence on a personal level within arms reach (not from a 100 yards away, nor sparring in some amateur hick town mcdojo school); This is not school yard fights, its a lot more serious than that; I know people from my neighborhood who were killed or maimed, or hospitalized, (stabbed and shot), because their attackers really wanted to hurt you and play for keeps. If you cannot understand that, thats fine, but do not expect people who live in the real world to go along with your infantile pseudo freedom fighter fantasies. I know that you prefer to use arrogance instead of real knowledge/experience when making statements, but maybe its time for people like you to grow up.

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  154. D-FensDogG says: • Website

    First of all, my comment wasn’t directed to you, but your LEO-related ego couldn’t resist responding with 200 words of assumptions about me.
    >>… I guess you do not understand the concept of statistical outliers, which always exist.
    Well, you got me there. Clearly you are a man possessing far greater intellectual capacity than I have, as this never even occurred to me. “Statistical outliers”… ooohh, fancy!
    I don’t even know what a “freedom fighter fantasy” is, but if you’d read my first post, you’d know that my views are based on a LOT of first-hand experiences. I also have over half a century of life experiences under my belt. Born and raised in the hick town of Los Angeles, and have only the street smarts I acquired while living in racially-diverse lower economic areas. I’ve lost count of how many people I grew up with who are dead now due to drugs and crime. (And my BEST friend was killed by a car thief in 1989.)
    And I hold all the Social Justice Warrior opinions one would expect from a guy who is a strict Constitutionalist, Bible-studying follower of Jesus Christ who has about 20 years of Security experience.
    This just goes to show you how completely out of touch you guys are with the Everyman’s opinion of cops . Yeah, buddy, even the vast majority of us law-abiding, conservative, senior citizens distrust and dislike you boys in blue. An intelligent person would acknowledge that reality and then contemplate and seriously, objectively analyze the reasons for it. But a person of lesser intelligence would just continue whitewashing that fact and continue defending the LEOs while making dozens of false assumptions about those with critical opinions.
    ~ D-FensDogG
    ‘Loyal American Underground’

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  155. @joef

    I think you are correct. “History may not repeat itself, but it certainly rhymes.”

    Good catch with the Naval War College article about feral cities. I’m reading it now.

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  156. @D-FensDogG

    Whew! Just wanted to stagger up from under the burden of being “crushed” to send this out. The irony is heavy with this one:

    All rugged individualists and cop-haters run to the police when they need help. The cognitive dissonance in their minds must be “crushing”.

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  157. D-FensDogG says: • Website

    Oh, hey, that one story changes everything! Good job. Everything I’ve personally experienced, read, studied, and heard from trusted others for several decades was just wiped out by that one article!
    The last thing I’d do is call a cop. I’m a staunchly pro-2nd Amendment guy who exercises that right. Speaking solely for myself, I won’t be needing or wanting your help. Besides, you’d probably just show up and shoot my dog anyway.
    ~ D-FensDogG
    ‘Loyal American Underground’

  158. JackOH says:

    Steve, I just finished reading the feral cities article. I like that the prof is stretching a bit, but I couldn’t find any way of distinguishing a feral city from your basic crime-ridden, corrupt, and crumbling city. You have some expertise here. Can you comment on the article?

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    , @SteveRogers42
  159. biz says:

    Even The Simpsons and It’s Always Sunny In Philadelphia have had parables addressing the “Why do we need rules, man?” mentality. This is basically the oldest question in civilization, and it has been dealt with.

  160. joef says:

    Did not include me??? Hmmm, you mentioned my pseudonymic handle in your post????
    Now by using a simple concept from statistics as ‘statistical outlier’ is not trying to be fancy as much as just seeking objective truth. Your type seems unable to examen things objectively on a case by case basis. That is because you are completely consumed with resentment, and a desire to condemn your political enemies. And since you claim to actually have lived in an area that had real consequences in regards to criminal violence, there is even less of an excuse for you to contradict reality.

    If you stated that there are inherent problems with policing like summons quotas and the abuse of stop & seize, I can agree. If you stated that some cops are aggressive egocentrics who abuse their authority (that even some of their peers do not like to work with), again I can agree that such individuals exist. However you want the rest of us to accept that you are clairvoyant & omniscient, and can determine, from your localized living location, that all 400,000 cops throughout the nation, whom you never met before, are all as you say they are. Sorry but that is either arrogant, hysterical, stupid, or insane.
    And that is the answer to utu’s question of why people do not wake up & agree with him – – because what he says sounds like he is a wack job to the majority of people who are capable rationally discerning distinctions. Instead anti cop types wants the rest of us to accept their ranting emotional outbursts as well reasoned factual content. And if they do not get 100% compliant agreement, they get upset and name call (I must be honest, I do not remember you doing it, but utu cannot contain himself).

    And your right I do not prefer self professed social warriors, who are just a bunch of panderers wanting to do the politically correct thing in order to feel good about themselves (at the expense of the rest of us who work hard and pay our taxes). And why am I concerned with this? Because you may have forgotten when urban homicide rate was ubiquitous, but I remember those days clearly. And your methods will just bring those days back again. And all the blacks that you social warriors claim to love so much (to pander & feel good about yourselves) will be the majority of those victims. But after all, why should you care, ideology prevails over all other considerations in the social warrior world view.
    [And if I am wrong about any of this I will stand corrected]

  161. utu says:

    The two commenters most likely are LEO’s. They sounded like… Which is OK. I have no problem with police in general. Every society needs police but on terms defined by the society. When the terms are dictated by police it is the beginning of the police state. There is no point having a discussion with them as they do not want to face the facts at this point in their lives. There are over 1000 people killed by police every year and over 55,000 injured by police every year. And I do not know if anybody counts the dogs they killed. I haven’t heard of FedEx, UPS or postal worker killing any dogs. Actually I am surprised police have K-9’s. How did they train their dogs without killing them? They seem to have zero tolerate for any disobedience. Perhaps they train their K-9’s with tasers.

    Anyway, 1000 people per year is 100 time more than in Europe. We have a serious problem. And one of the guys will BS through talking about some statistical outliers. 1000 of statistical outliers, right. It’s really pathetic. He clearly is not there yet. He does not recognize that there is a problem.

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  162. joef says:

    I must admit, your line about police k9 dogs was funny (lol).

    But your assumption is that ALL of 1000 were just completely innocent and were not using deadly force against another. That is completely myopic of being able to make any distinctions. Europe in general also has a much lower crime rate. And a postal worker is not called to the scene to control a dangerous dog, that what the police are called to do.

    I do agree with you in one area (do not faint, even I can’t believe I am saying it):

    Every society needs police but on terms defined by the society.

    That is true:
    If people want broken windows enforced then they shall have it, and if they do not, then cops should not be ego invested in their duties, and don’t perform it.

    The same with stop & search for guns (which is mistakenly called stop & frisk: which is a Terry Stop as defined by SCOTUS). If a community wants cops to do it, that is up to them, if they do not then they should not.

    But here is the rub: The community also needs to accept that shootings will go up by criminals within that community if they prefer cops not to engage in those practices. They also need to accept that there is no magic solutions to crime control, and wishful thinking does not apply. Besides omnipresence and the above listed techniques, there is little police can do to prevent crime (actual incarceration has a better affect, which is controlled by the courts).

    So essentially if incarceration is not used, then there are only two alternatives to acutely handling high crime: police that are engaged in the above methods, or police not engaged and crime continues or increases. That is the reality and each community should decide for themselves what they want, not one area of the country deciding for another (and not by the Feds either).

    However they can completely avoid having to make those decisions if incarceration for serious violent offenders was sincerely implemented. Then, along with the elimination of ticket quotas, the police can be like Europe & Japan, and just involve themselves with order maintenance.

    Also I want this to be said: I do not have any animosity towards people who think like you (if you have animosity towards people like me, thats your prerogative). I hope your heart is in the right place, but I do believe you guys are grossly mistaken in outlook. If the consequences of what you believe were not so serious, I would not be bothering you. My criticism is that I believe you guys take reality and force it to conform to your opinions, instead of formulating opinions that reflect reality.
    Good luck.

  163. joef says:

    I first read about ‘Feral Cities’ from a piece written by David Kilcullen, who is a counterinsurgency expert who worked for the State Dept and was an advisor to General Petraeus. When you examen the content, pay intention to the spectrum of intensity regarding Feral Cities. There is an actual table in the literature about it that reflects the degrees of dysfunction, from a mild to severe conditions.

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  164. D-FensDogG says: • Website

    This is the last time I intend to respond to either of you LEOs, as it’s clear you are incapable of “LISTENING” beyond your own assumptions and worldviews. I have intellectually honest people waiting on replies from me at other sites and via Email while I’m wasting valuable time here in a fruitless effort to get you to see any color other than “Blue”.
    >>… Hmmm, you mentioned my pseudonymic handle in your post?
    Your “pseudonymic handle”? Oh, you mean your pseudonym? Your pen name? Your nickname?
    I never write “metropolis” for seven cents because I can get the same price for “city.” I never write “policeman” because I can get the same money for “cop.”
    ~ Mark Twain
    Some of what has still to be learned by the West may appear to be almost absurdly simple and elementary, but it is important nonetheless. For example, never to use a long word where a short one will serve equally well, never to write with the idea of proving one’s own erudition but rather in order to ensure that one’s ideas shall be made as understandable to the reader as possible.
    ~ Douglas Hyde
    (from his book “Dedication And Leadership”)
    >>… Now by using a simple concept from statistics as ‘statistical outlier’ is not trying to be fancy as much as just seeking objective truth.
    A point I have clearly alluded to several times in my posts here is that decent, honest, “To Protect And Serve” law enforcement officers (I’ll call them “Sheriff Richard Macks”) are the statistical outliers. It has become increasingly obvious to the vast, vast majority of decent, honest, law-abiding citizens (another point I’ve made repeatedly) over the last few decades that the vast majority of cops are “militarized”, thuggish, fascistic revenue collectors for the state who entered law enforcement after leaving the military because they were considered prime applicants for that work and to appease their aggressive natures and thirst for adventure. (NOT because they are great lovers of mankind, law and order, and relish the idea of providing a service to the common citizen.)
    You can deny this until your face is as blue as your uniform but it won’t change the fact that it’s a fact. I base this view on the opinions of 98% of the civilians I know (none of which have criminal backgrounds). I mentioned my two decades of Security work. 98% of all the security officers I’ve worked with distrust and dislike cops as much as I do. But this is a meaningless fact, right? It’s the prevailing outlook of civilians and security officers, but it couldn’t POSSIBLY have anything to do with the majority of their LEO interactions and the LEO interactions of their families, friends and neighbors, right? When most of the “good citizens” dislike cops, the problem is with the cops. It ain’t even laundromat science. You are deep in denial, and obviously nothing I say here is going to alter your professional tunnel vision.
    >>… Your type … is … completely consumed with resentment, and a desire to condemn your political enemies.
    I’ve already cautioned you against making grand personal assumptions about me but the authoritarian LEO mindset can’t seem to help it. What is this resentment I have? What has any of this to do with “political enemies” I might have? I’m a Constitutionalist, and despite your second attempt to lump me in with them, my anti-SJW credentials are AT LEAST as numerous and vigorous as yours. I am not a “type”, but all of my years working around and with cops at the police station and on countless ride-alongs showed me that, to police officers, there are essentially two “types”: The Blue and everything else.
    On your behalf, however, I can applaud the fact that you acknowledge inherent problems with summons quotas and stop and seize policing concepts. Now if we could only get you to wake up and admit to the many other serious ongoing issues in so-called law enforcement.
    >>… Because you may have forgotten when urban homicide rate was ubiquitous, but I remember those days clearly. And your methods will just bring those days back again. And all the blacks that you social warriors claim to love so much (to pander & feel good about yourselves) will be the majority of those victims.
    One of the misconceptions you are laboring under is an overestimation of the value of police forces. I have scholarly studies that show a majority of armed citizens cut crime far more than police forces do. But I’m not going to waste any more time here by digging them out and copying them here.
    And if I ever needed an object lesson in how useless police forces are when TSHTF Big Time, I got it during the “Rodney King Riots” when the cops literally disappeared from all the streets of Los Angeles for three days. Understandably, they were bunkered down in their own homes protecting their own families. The rioting Blacks, interestingly, did NOT venture outside of their own neighborhoods, knowing that there are one or many more firearms in at least 50% of the homes of White people. Due to numbers, firepower and superior strategizing, if there ever is a full-on race war in this country, it will end surprisingly (to some) quickly and without the need of LEOs.
    I’ll leave you with these websites. I do not believe one whit that you could objectively, diligently, with intellectual honesty read these posts for an entire year and still maintain your belief that bad cops are the “statistical outlier”. And bear in mind that these are accounts of “bad cops caught” and can by no means be considered a comprehensive view of the total number of bad cops currently employed to “protect and serve” the general populace.
    http://www (dot) policemisconduct (dot) net/
    http://freedominourtime (dot) blogspot (dot) com/
    http://www (dot) policestateusa (dot) com/
    Off duty: End of report.
    ~ D-FensDogG
    ‘Loyal American Underground’

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  165. JackOH says:

    joef, thanks for the Kilcullen reference. I only read Prof. Norton’s paper very quickly, so I’m sure I missed something.

    I was thinking of the city where I work now, and where I spent my growing-up years. Also, I was thinking of Detroit, those photos of magnificent buildings and neighborhoods decaying and reverting to wilderness. I don’t think my mention of individual “crime, corruption, and crumbling infrastructure” really describes how different some of our cities and their remnant populations are from the rest of America. That’s why I was interested. I’m guessing that “feral city” or “atavistic city”, or something similar, may be a good way of summing up reality. Thanks again.

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  166. joef says:

    Happy to help, and sorry for the typo (I used the word intention instead of attention). They are using the concept of Feral City mostly for cities located in foreign developing (3rd world) nations. Unfortunately it will probably become pertinent in eventually describing conditions in some American cities as well.
    Also if you look up credit default swaps for certain states you will see that some states are a credit risk and need to insure their bonds because of their poor financial condition: The last I looked the top five states are Illinois, California, Michigan, New York, and New Jersey are on top of the list.
    While the Federal govt can print money, the states and municipalities have no such ability. Thus they are the canary in the coal mine when it comes to potential govt insolvency.
    Also review total debt (govt & private) as compared to the GDP in graph form. The Financial Times had a very good one but it may be difficult to find.

  167. joef says:

    Thanks for your comment but all this unidimensional anti cop obsession talk is getting boring, along with the arrogance pretending to be omniscience. Have a good day sir and enjoy trolling with your other friends. I will not waste anymore of your time with reason because you are obviously completely controlled by your negative emotions and resentments.

  168. @JackOH

    Well, geopolitics is a bit above my pay grade, but I’ll give it a shot.

    Under the author’s definition, truly feral cities are , at present, somewhat rare. Mogadishu and Monrovia definitely qualify, maybe some cities in Mexico, and Caracas looks like it’s on the way. Even the worst American cities are in the “green” zone, although Baltimore and Detroit may be shifting into “yellow”.** I would guess that most Third World metropoli would tip over into full feral status if the Western aid pipeline dried up, or if there were some major global economic or military event.

    At present, although many city govts. OPT not to enforce the rule of law in their more vibrant areas, they certainly are physically ABLE to do so. Ethnic gangstas are not exactly the urban warriors that are portrayed in popular entertainment, and the gangs have not forged any alliances with intl. terrorist groups YET (although the El Rukins DID try to get jiggy wit’ Libya back in the day). If our local police and sheriffs depts. really were the Israeli-trained combat vets with a license to kill that some on this thread seem to believe, the gangs would soon be a historical footnote.

    Even our worst urban areas are flooded with city social services, and the poorest of the poor have reliable running water and electricity, as well as access to hospitals and schools that would be the envy of most “yellow” and “red” city populations. Even our worst levels of govt. corruption don’t approach the inevitable-fact-of-life status that baksheesh has in the Third World. Heck, cops can and will be formally disciplined for accepting a free cup of coffee, if someone files a complaint!

    In a nutshell, I would describe the difference between feral cities and our basic decaying American city this way: Nobody leaves Baltimore to go live in Lagos or Lahore, but lots and lots of people leave Lagos and Lahore to live in Baltimore

    However, we may look back on this as The Good Ol’ Days, if our Fearless Leaders continue to flood us with hordes of Somalis, Syrians, and Central American peasants. Not only will these people bring their tribal rivalries and infectious diseases with them, but they have matured in an atmosphere of 4GW that Americans have never experienced. Why we are voluntarily importing trouble is a topic for another day.

    ** For anyone who is interested in the current state of affairs in our inner cities, I cannot recommend James LaFond’s blog highly enough. He is a prolific writer of both fiction and nonfiction, and he lives and works ( a blue-collar job) in da ‘hood in Baltimore. He is truly one of a kind, and he provides behind-the-lines HUMINT that you can’t find anywhere else.

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    , @JackOH
  169. joef says:

    Good commentary.
    I was also interested how our future debt/credit problems (which is actually a world wide phenomenon) will cause our cities in the future to become feral. I do not believe that the entirety of the U.S. itself will ever resemble a failed state; but I can see with the lack of future financial resources, that municipalities will be unable to sustain services and entitlements. Couple this with business capital flight when a city’s quality of life has significantly deteriorated. One of the problems with Camden NJ is that it was described as a ‘food desert’ because all the supermarket chains were closed/moved, which caused a situation of the population having limited availability to purchase foodstuffs.
    As certain areas become desperate, when the kicking the can method of finance no longer works, they will most certainly try to tax, fine, fee, forfeiture, and toll their way back to prosperity (which we all know cannot work). When this does not work, they will eventually try austerity measures.
    Due to political volatility, entitlements will be the last budget cut to be performed because they all know that this will immediately result in riots, looting, and arsons. But if the U.S. economy hits the declined state, that I am attempting to describe here, then there will be no rebuilding after the destruction from the civil unrest. It takes a long time for civilization to build to prosperity, but decline can happen fairly quickly.

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  170. joef says:

    Also, if I may recommend, examining other nations that have recently been through political/economic/social turmoil. These nations are Greece, Cyprus, Argentina, the Balkans, and Zimbabwe. Also review the recent history of Weimar Germany. There is also the more recent example of Venezuela. All had their own versions of social disruption, and economic scarcity. Some have suffered famines because of this.
    But the most interesting example is Zimbabwe itself. Before the take over of Rhodesia by Mugabe (that was pushed by the leftist), it was considered the prosperous bread basket of southern African continent. In addition it had the best infrastructure in the region as well. After the take over it had famines, hyperinflation, and rotting infrastructure. The infrastructure problems includes road conditions that disabled vehicles from their huge potholes, sewage backups, leaking water mains that lose so much water, that almost nothing arrives at the faucets, constant rolling blackouts, and frequent food shortages. The police have no vehicles to respond to crimes in progress, and require the crime victim to come to the police station house to prepare an incident report (unless the victim provides transportation for the officer to respond).
    Another interesting example is Argentina which was the most prosperous nation in South America. A person who relates his experiences living under the decline of Argentina, is the blog Ferfal. You may also look into the books on the Weimer Germany such as Taylor’s ‘The Downfall of Money’, and Fergusson’s ‘When money dies’. In addition there is a book on how hyperinflation ruined Zimbabwe called ‘When Money Destroys Nations’ by Haslam.
    And one last thing, the TV series ‘The Wire’ generally depicts the municipal dysfunction accurately (with exception of some over dramatized character portrayals), and shows that our municipal problems are like a giant gordian knot.
    I hope this may assist you.

  171. utu says:

    “loaded live rounds into the gun instead of blanks”

    Florida mother, 73, is accidentally shot and killed by a cop in front of 34 people during role play exercise after officer playing a ‘bad guy’ loaded live rounds into the gun instead of blanks

  172. JackOH says:

    Thanks for your comments here, Steve. Ditto, joef. I’m a natural gloomy Gus, so I actually need some way of distinguishing your basic busted-up American city from a Third World dump. I have to struggle to admit the city where I grew up and where I work now delivers electricity and water, attracts investment (Family Dollar, local grocers and gasoline retailers), provides government-subsidized bus and other services, etc.

    Corrupt or incompetent police, including local chiefs of police, are prosecuted or dismissed by strong mayors. I’ve never heard a gunshot fired in anger, and most of the motives for murder can be localized to turf–drugs and “honor”–and domestics gone haywire.

    Thanks again to Steve and joef for their measured and informed comments on this thread.

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  173. joef says:

    Thank you & do not lose hope my friend. There are good people who are givers, and bad people who are takers, and plenty of people in between who are just followers. Value trustworthy people, and maintain your own strength to help others and to protect yourself from the predators.
    Most of mankind had to struggle through adverse times so we are not so unique. Life & history always went on. Concentrate on the things you can control in your life, and do not worry about what you cannot, while at the same time keep informed. We as a people put too much value on materialistic things that can be taken away – – they are really not as important as they seem. It is funny how humans realize what is most valuable when challenged by hardship & struggle. Ultimately all we can do is to try to adapt to what ever the future will bring us, in the best way possible.
    God bless.

  174. @JackOH

    Buddy, I know whatcha mean. For the first two decades of my life, I grew up in a two-parent middle-class family in a medium-sized Middle American city that was 90% European stock. I took all the positives for granted. I even thought it was a little “boring”. Now, I could tear my own hair out when I think about “America the Lovely and the Lost”.

    What this article puts in perspective for me is that we’ve still got it real good compared to most of the rest of the world, and we’ve got to do our damnedest to make sure we don’t slide any further down the drain. It CAN be done. We come from survivor stock. I think it was Heinlein who said “The cowards never started and the weak died out along the way.”

    Maybe I’m a cockeyed optimist, but it seems to me that whenever America desperately needed strong leadership with vision, the right men miraculously appeared: The Founding Fathers. The great generals and admirals of WW2. Uncle Ronnie in the Cold War era. We are now in an existential crisis that matches or exceeds anything that has come before, and it seems to me that help is on the way.

  175. JackOH says:

    Agree about that “existential crisis”, and I’ll guess that the extraordinary legacy costs and declining tax bases of our big cities will be strong drivers of decision-making.

    I hope there’ll be people and institutions strong enough to shine a spotlight on how godawfully bad political decisions of the past created today’s America. Likewise, I hope they’ll be strong enough to resist federal solutions to everything, and try instead for, maybe, a restoration of the better elements of a pre-1964 social and political equilibrium. Thanks again.

  176. utu says:

    Police tackle suicidal woman holding meat cleaver to the floor

    Comment from Daily Mail: In another country they’d have already “feared for their lives” and ended hers to “protect her from herself”.

  177. I like how Mr. Reed rehashes articles and ideas in fresh ways when the situation calls for it. Big thanks to Unz and the author.

  178. utu says:

    A North Carolina state trooper shot dead a deaf and mute man who was apparently trying to communicate using sign language after he was pulled over for a speeding violation.

  179. utu says:

    Well train police

    Arkansas cop sues Glock for $75,000 after shooting himself in the foot by accident

  180. utu says:

    Rules of engagement: shooting at running unarmed man

    Brooklyn teen was shot 16 times after surrendering to cops

  181. utu says:

    45 years for shooting police dog

    Was ever any policemen at least reprimanded for shooting a dog. How many thousands dogs are killed by police per year?

  182. utu says:

    Cop who left his dog partner to die in a hot car for 38 HOURS now faces five years in prison for felony animal cruelty

    Ohio burglar sentenced to 45 YEARS behind bars for killing police dog Jethro after judge called his actions ‘intolerable’

  183. utu says:

    Dashcam video shows the moment unarmed pastor was shot dead by police after they tasered him – despite having his hands in the air

    Read more:

  184. utu says:

    ‘F*** this guy, I’m gonna hit him’: Dashcam footage shows police trying to run over a mentally ill homeless man before fatally shooting him 14 times

  185. utu says:

    ‘I never saw a kid, bro’: Police release graphic video boy, six, being shot dead by cops ‘in self defense’ after it is allowed into evidence for murder trial of two officers

  186. utu says:

    VIDEO: Cop Beats, Tasers, Falsely Arrests Innocent Man after He Asked the Cop Not to Block His Driveway

  187. utu says:

    No, the Police Don’t Work For You

  188. utu says:

    Mother-of-two, 26, who was shot and killed by Texas police was pointing a BB gun at officers and yelling ‘shoot me’

  189. utu says:

    ‘It should never have happened’: Bill de Blasio says protocol was not followed when NYPD officer shot dead schizophrenic black woman, despite having Taser

  190. utu says:

    ‘I’m the boss:’ Cop who sparked protests in Milwaukee after he fatally shot black man ‘raped fellow male drinker the next night after watching rioting on TV in a bar while bragging he could do what he wanted’

  191. utu says:

    Unarmed grandfather, 73, with dementia is shot ‘NINE TIMES’ and killed by California cops as he wanders around his block at 12.30am

  192. utu says:

    Cops Allow Police Dog to Bite Naked, Unarmed Man (Dec. 12, 2016)

  193. utu says:

    Graphic footage shows FIVE cops shooting dead a blind man in convenience store because he was ‘agitated’ and ‘holding a knife’

  194. utu says:

    Cop is caught ‘LYING’ about how he killed black musician whose car broke down: Prosecutors claim victim was already dead when officer called 911 for backup as new recording of his ‘call for help’ is released

  195. utu says:

    Example of proper police engagement. Policeman back off, uses the taser. Nobody gets killed.

    Connecticut warehouse employee is tased as he lunges at police with a knife after ‘stabbing his co-workers’

  196. utu says:

    Former cop is charged with attempted manslaughter after shooting an unarmed teenager as he lay face-down on the ground during an arrest

  197. utu says:

    Officer is CLEARED of any wrongdoing after shooting a veteran when he ‘mistook his wallet for a weapon’

  198. utu says:

    Finally policeman punished. This tragedy could be avoided if police were trained in non-lethal rules son engagement.

    Louisiana marshal who accidentally shot dead a six-year-old autistic boy is sentenced to 40 years in prison

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  199. Swedenistan:

    Four (apparently) female-ish Eurocops try to arrest one practitioner of the Religion of Peace, using hugs and firm verbal commands. Hilarity ensues.

    Det går bra nu…..

    Posted by Mikael Nyren on Sunday, April 2, 2017

    When Good Citizen Olaf shows up to help the copettes, and immediately takes the “immigrant” to the ground, he is sternly chastised for his impudence, and it looks for a moment as if the Dykes of Danger will try to arrest HIM!

    After completely dominating the FOUR (4) trusty representatives of the Swedish Crown, I wish Abdullah had gotten into their little sissy European police car and driven away. Then they could have had a gut-wrenching European car chase at the speed of smell.

  200. Embarrassing display of weakness and incompetence in this Euro taffy-pull:

    Lack of pride, lack of guts, or both?

  201. @utu

    Well that’s because the boy was white and the cop black, the pig would have never been convicted if the races were reversed. Shooting blacks is a hobby with American cops.

  202. utu says:

    Bad Training!

    ‘You hesitate, you die’: Oklahoma cop says her police training was running through her mind as she shot dead an unarmed black man

  203. utu says:

    How to police the police?

    Furious NYPD cops are circulating a target range picture with Commissioner James O’Neill’s face after an officer was charged with murder for shooting a disabled woman dead

  204. A skillfully-executed retreat from criminals, as taught at the French police academy:

  205. Europe’s “police” have their priorities in order:

    It’s fierce, fabulous, and can accelerate up to speeds of three!

  206. While the German police are either unable or unwilling (or both) to deal with the raghead infestation, they manage to find the gumption to crack down mercilessly on actual Germans who are mildly protesting their own slow-motion genocide:

  207. UK police in full effect!

  208. More shrewd police work from the UK as the euros show us how it’s done!

  209. Unarmed British Bobette raped while trying to arrest a rapist.

    You can’t make this stuff up.

  210. Grim German gun-gals standing guard with no magazines in their scheisgewhers.

    Europe is just a bad joke.

  211. All wrong! The cop should have run away screaming!

    American Cop is confronted by an Antifa… It was a rather short confrontation

    Those damn Americans just aren’t sophisticated enough to understand how it’s done in Europe!

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