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The systematic study of intelligence if fraught, dangerous, since everyone instantly thinks, “Race. Blacks. I will lose my job and live in a tent on the sidewalk if I think about this.” The concern is that study might reveal differences between groups. Oh God. So: Should we study it or not?

The panic arises only regarding blacks. Suggesting that Jews are smarter than other whites, which perhaps most believe, or that East Asians are smarter than whites, as seems to be the case, does not greatly roil the waters. Hispanics don’t seem to matter. Blacks do.

Now, if blacks are less bright than whites, as many quietly believe, we have one situation. If they are not less bright, we have another. If blacks seldom become software engineers because they can’t, what then? White European society seems to accept the apparent superiority of Jews and East Asian, and the consequent differences in prosperity, without dangerous levels of resentment. The resentment of , and by, blacks is intense and explosive.

Here, politics enter. Liberals insist that no racial differences exist. But they do not seem to believe it. If they did, they would favor a massive and careful regime of testing to prove their point. Instead, they strenuously resist investigation Why, other than fear of likely results?

Some facts, unwoke but demonstrable: Both intelligence and behavior are largely determined by genetics. Any dog breeder will tell you that Border Collies are smarter than beagles. They learn faster and learn things of greater complexity. He will further tell you that dogs can be bred for higher intelligence by mating unusually smart dogs with other unusually smart dogs. And he will tell you that traits such as protectiveness and aggressiveness are in the breeds and that these traits can be changed up or down by selective breeding. This mutability appears all through the mammals. Any determined teenager can breed mice to be better or worse at running mazes. Ly elevated offspring.

Now, subspecies. Collies and pit bulls are subspecies of dog, in simple terms meaning that they are both dogs but, a bit more biologically, that they can breed with each other. Similarly, Africans, Chinese, and Norwegians are members of subspecies of Homo sapiens, for exactly the same reasons.

The woke are usually ardent of Darwinian evolution, probably because it is a doctrine useful against evangelical Christianity, though typically they know next to nothing about either Darwin or Christianity. We will here grant them this. A foundational idea of orthodox Darwinity is that if a species is divided into separated populations so that they cannot interbreed (if, for example, an isthmus joining two continents sinks beneath the waves), they will over time evolve into distinct subspecies with distinct characteristics. The woke happily accept this principle when useful against Creationism. If it is pointed out that it works identically with separated populations of people, such as Africans, the Chinese, and Norwegians among others, a silence falls.

This is what is called an “oops! moment.” The woke sense where things are going.

Their usual response is to insist that race doesn’t exist (in which case racism presumably doesn’t either, but we will not complicate things), that it is a “social construct” with no scientific meaning. Most of the woke are graduates in the liberal arts with almost no familiarity with the sciences or mathematics which makes scientifically silly beliefs palatable.

Does race in fact have no scientific meaning? I propose an experiment. Go to the website of one of those commercial genetic-analysis services, such as Twenty-three and Me. Order ten test kits. When they come, spit in one of the sample tubes yourself, add the preservative, and put the tube in a drawer. Then go forth with the remaining nine tubes and find a series of approximately the following: a Chinese, a Mexican, a pure African black (perhaps at an embassy to avoid contamination by white American blood), a mixed black-white, an Amerind, an Ashkenazi Jew, perhaps a north and a south Indian. If you can scrape up an Australian aborigine, do.

On all the bottles put English names: Reed, Jones, Smith, Fletcher and so on.

When the reports arrive, you will find that the races have been correctly and scientifically identified, with such findings as thirty-five percent Middle Eastern, forty percent north European, and so on.

Another and desperate attempt to deny the existence of race is to point out that the DNA of humans and chimpanzees is 98.5 percent identical (or some such number). I suspect that the figure may be higher in the woke, but this is speculation. This is then used to urge that minor genetic differences don’t amount to anything. Actually of course it shows that minor differences have profound consequences. I don’t know your dating habits, but the difference between Bongo the Chimp and Marylyn Monroe seem at least noticeable.

Now, intelligence. Is there any reason why races might differ?

At this point the woke try to eliminate the question rather than answer it. They will assert that intelligence doesn’t exist, that it is a social construct. They do not believe this except when talking about race. They will say in casual conversation, “Fred, I want to get you together with Mary, she’s a biochemist at NIH, and really smart.” They do not say, “Wow! Is Mary ever socially constructed.” At least, not in reference to mental qualities.

But put five people of IQ 170 and five of IQ70 in a room and see how long it takes you to tell one from the other. About three seconds. The difference will be stark. And people autodetect intelligence. People of IQ 90 tend to associate with others of that IQ. Those of 150 do the same. A woman once said, “In Washington, you assume that everyone is in the 99th percentile.” No, but she was, so people she knew were. The is called “cognitive stratification.”

Why would one race evolve higher intelligence than another? In terms of strict evolutionary piety, a group under more environmental stress than another will be selected for its ability to figure out solutions—i.e., for intelligence. Proponents of IQ argue that life in cold regions requires more planning, thought, and ingenuity than life in tropical regions where fruit hangs low.

To what extent this is true is not clear to anyone who thinks about it, but the woke don’t. This puts the woke in a position requiring squirming. If they accept Darwinism, then races can differ in intelligence. If they deny Darwin, they find themselves agreeing with Creationists.

Here we come to the vexed matter of IQ. It is one that can lead to bar fights.

A reasonable question about IQ is whether it measures what it is supposed to measure: intelligence. This mystery attracts much sophistry from people who seem to illustrate the principle that intelligence doesn’t exist. Still, put people with IQ 70 and 130 in a freshman calculus class and your question will be answered.

Who studies IQ? At the top of the analytical hill we have psychometrists, usually highly intelligent (pardon the word) and well trained statisticians. They are careful, well aware of pitfalls in psychological measurement, and doing their best, which is usually quite good, to determine the truth. They are accused of course of racism for getting the wrong answer. Interestingly, though overwhelmingly white, they rank intelligence from high to low as Ashkenazi Jews, East Asians, whites, Latinos, blacks. The findings of psychometrists track observable outcomes over statistically significant groups.

Next you have a loose group, sometimes rising to the status of a movement, who call themselves “race realists.” Here objectivity, always claimed, is not always practiced. Without exception known to me they are conservatives, with their clan’s characteristic tendency to see outgroups as hostile. Their clear desire is to prove that blacks, Hispanics, and non-whites in general are intellectually inferior to whites. This desire does not prove them right or wrong, but suggests a need to read them closely.

For example, you can find them asserting that the Nepalese have a mean IQ of 60, which would make them unable to dress themselves, and that Mexicans and American blacks have mean IQs respectively of 87 and 85, essentially identical, yet the former operate telecommunications networks and other appurtenances of modernity while the latter show no capacity. The population of India is said to have a mean IQ of 81, which decreasingly seems to match reality on the ground.

It is worth noting that there is nothing mathematically wrong with IQ calculations, as mathematics. You give a million people an IQ test, plot the tests on paper, and you get the famous “bell” or “normal” curve. This does not create data, distort data, or hide data. It just displays them, as does a pie chart or bar graph. It is used in thousands of calculations from physical chemistry to failure rates of engine parts. In a sentence, the interpretation may be debatable, but the distribution is not.

Do IQ tests “work”? Statistically, yes. In the case of individuals, not always. If you take the test with a hangover, you may do poorly. If the test is in English, which you read poorly, likewise. The designers of tests are quite aware of these problems and avoid them.

The woke objection to tests is precisely that they do work: that the numbers correlate closely with observed outcomes. All manner of studies have shown that IQ is a good predictor of success in fields requiring thought. Along with semi-IQ tests, such as the SATs and the military’s AFQT, IQ tests have been used successfully for many decades as predictors of success in university and in selection of candidates for military jobs such as truck driving or electronics tech. They all give closely similar results for racial groups.

The truth, unpalatable though it be, very much appears to be that we differ, both as individuals, and races, in intelligence. This has and will have grave consequences. Is it wiser to ignore this, and thus have no influence over events? To pretend? Or to concede reality, grapple with the problem and try to find the least unpleasant road forward?

Postscript:

2020 U.S. International Math Olympiad team, world champion. America is about six percent Asian, if memory serves. The Chinese absolutely dominate America’s hard-science universities and high schools.

  • Quanlin Chen, gold medal.
  • Gopal Goel, silver medal.
  • Tianze Jiang, silver medal.
  • Jeffrey Kwan, silver medal.
  • Luke Robitaille, gold medal.
  • William Wang, gold medal.

QED

 
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  1. How could somebody as unintelligent as you know anything about intelligence?

  2. University of Tennessee history professor, David Barber, succinctly zeroed in on the consequences of avoiding class analysis:

    “White supremacy is not only white over black, it is also the small number of rich whites over the much larger number of rich whites over the much larger number of poor and working class whites. In return for a guarantee that the latter group of whites will suffer the many calamities of life afforded working people less intensely and less frequently than do people of color, the poor and the working class will not challenge the rule of the rich. [T]he contradiction of white supremacy for the poor and the working class is not that white supremacy advances us but that it ties us to our own oppression… It’s the bribe to keep the poor and working class passive in the face of their own oppression.”

  3. @obwandiyag

    Fred Reed was a National Merit finalist and scored in the 99th percentile on both the SAT and the GRE. Unintelligent people do not do that.

    • Agree: Gapeseed
  4. Michelle says:

    Agree that East Asians seem to be generally smarter and more emotionally intelligent than all of the other races, excepting Ashkenazi Jews. But, as to math, my Chinese born co-worker tutors immigrant students in math, and he says, it is much easier to teach math in Cantonese than it is in English.

  5. Can a high IQ person be woke? If so, what good is intelligence?

    If humans were intelligent they would be living in peace and prosperity. The key question regarding intelligence is how can we get some.

  6. R.C. says:

    I personally first used the dog species/subspecies point probably at age 10. It’s valid.
    R.C.

    • Agree: Stan d Mute
  7. ANix says:
    @obwandiyag

    One of the few who delves into the bowels of the white class.
    “white supremacy advances us but that it ties us to our own oppression… It’s the bribe to keep the poor and working class passive in the face of their own oppression.”
    I came to this conclusion while serving in the military, a bastion of US refuge or escapees from poverty. White poverty incorporate all the illness of poverty and more bc racially, non-white success is a dagger to the heart of the agreement that whiteness supercedes all.

    • Replies: @m___
  8. For the most recent three years the Regeneron Science Talent Search for US high school seniors has attracted many entrants. (This competition was formerly known as the Intel STS and before that the Westinghouse STS.) The names of the top 300 entrants are published. In each of the three most recent competitions approximately 200 of these top 300 HS Seniors have very recognizably East Asian or South Asian family names. I’m not sure what that indicates.

  9. Daddio7 says:

    Even if you are white it helps to be surrounded by intelligent people who know the ropes. I graduated from a small Florida high school in 1970, I heard the words collage and SAT once during my senior year. One morning it was announced that all seniors who had signed up to take the SAT could leave and go take the test. I did not know it was a private test that had to be signed up and paid for at the local community college. I thought it was a school wide test every senior had to take. My parents were high school drop outs and I had no friends to tell me. I did not know what I did not know.

    The only teacher who said the word college to me was my trigonometry teacher. He took me aside on the last day of school and told me I had failed his class but he gave me a passing grade because I wouldn’t be able to get into college with a failing grade. Why didn’t my counselor say anything about college? What counselor? You had to get an appointment to see a counselor and when I went to make one I was told the appointment book was full.

    I was going to make sure my children knew all these things but when they went to school the schools were getting graded by how many students went to college. My kids were in gifted classes, got scholarships and are now professionals. My daughter has a PhD and teaches college English and my son is a lawyer for a large multi national corporation.

    • Thanks: TKK, E. Rekshun
    • Replies: @Joe Paluka
    , @TKK
  10. criolle says:
    @WorkingClass

    Can a high IQ person be woke? If so, what good is WOKE?!

    • Replies: @elysianfield
    , @Badger Down
  11. I wonder what the IQ was for the design and engineering teams that put together Mexico’s Metro addition which crashed spectacularly last month. The NY Times in a rare hit piece on Mexico dysfunction (showing it’s okay to do this again now that Orange Man is gone) just reported that the whole thing was rammed together in a big hurry to satisfy local pols who wanted it done before their re-elections. Bad welds, subway cars ordered that didn’t fit the tracks and were “hammered to fit,” the list of amusing details goes on and on. (I picture a group of hammer-wielding squat monsters being ordered to “martillo más duro” lol)

    I’m guessing it wasn’t such a swell idea to encase Carlos Slim’s shoddy steel work with concrete, adding to the load on shaky scaffolding and making visual inspections much tougher. But Mexicans sure love them some concrete.

    This “appurtenance” must be a bit tougher to manage than all those telecommunications that Reed gets so excited about. The 85 IQ does manifest itself eventually.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
  12. Another very rare column where Fred makes sense, save for the part where he seems obligated to separate the “race realists” out of the “other” people, whoever they are, who believe in racial differences in IQ. Because the simple fact is that–as Fred writes in another part of his essay–the Bell curve accounts for the accomplishments of races that have a mean IQ that is sub optimum.

    This flaw in logic and understanding–like Freddy’s flaw regarding the laws of physics re 9-11–reveals Fred’s own lack of high IQ.

    Nice try though, Fred. One can be a race realist and still work with those of any and all races, while acknowledging their inherent, average differences in intelligence.

    I have 2 sisters. One is almost as smart as I am, the other is substantially less so. I love them both. They each have their unique, good qualities based on their intelligence. It’s just the way things are.

    Fred is getting close to an IQ of maybe 95. Good work, F!

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  13. Yee says:

    Race based study is not only wasteful but poisonous to a society because it implies people should just submit to what they are born into.

    You will see this clearly if you’re not involved. Say, if the Hindus spent the same amount of resourses to prove higher castes Hindus are superior to lower castes Hindus, does it do any good to the Indian nation? In any case, the Hindus have probably done exactly that for millenniums, until serveral decades ago…

    Races is the same thing as Castes. People are born into them, not something you can change.

  14. northeast says:

    Mexico is mostly run by the 10% of the nation that is white. That’s how it sort of works. Same is true in most of South America.

  15. Well, Mr. Reed, you know you won’t get as many comments on columns like this as with the China-good/America-bad ones, but doesn’t it please you to just plain write out the truth occasionally? It sounds like you could have been reading Steve Sailer for years, but I know you have had these thoughts for a long time and occasionally expound on them.

    I do realize you had to insert paragraph 23 in there in case the Missus peruses this writing, and I’m OK with that.

    I hope you get lots of reads on this exposition of common sense. Thank you.

  16. @Anita Patel

    Oh, come on, Miss Patel, could you use normal words, not the Newspeak bland geographical ones? Is there something wrong with simply Oriental and Indian?

    Maybe things have changed. If it helps, Peak Stupidity has a handy PC pocket guide to the new terms for peoples of the world.

  17. Uncle Sam says:

    Israel is overwhelmingly Ashkenazi Jewish, yet the average I.Q. in that country is 95. Moreover, Jews do not perform well on spatial intelligence tests. Their average I.Q. for such tests is 93. They do well on the verbal and reasoning portions of I.Q. tests. I think the I.Q. on those tests is around 110, or perhaps less.

    So who came up this determination that Ashkenazi Jews are more intelligent than gentile whites? Granted, they are very clever and very good at pettifogging issues that cause them problems. That involves some intelligence but not great intelligence.

    White gentiles in America have an average I.Q. of 100, superior to Israeli Jews.

  18. @Gordon K. Shumway

    Why does he need you to brag for him?

    But meanwhile, your information expresses in a nutshell what is wrong with the whole idea of IQ.

    Somebody tests very well, and still can’t say anything intelligent. The proof in the pudding.

    IQ means nothing, except at the fringes, as Taleb pointed out long before this chump did.

    Take computer coding. The most boring thing in the world. And something that high IQers excel at. Where is the Boring Quotient in IQ? Seems like the “smarter,” the boringer.

  19. @criolle

    “Can a high IQ person be woke? If so, what good is WOKE?!”

    Intelligence can be observed as the ability to learn. If you are taught nothing but falsehoods, your worldview will reflect that which you have learned.

    Wisdom, however, is a compendium of life-experiences through which you might filter that which you have learned. Many of the “woke” are intelligent and well educated, and in enjoying the economic windfall of such never had to do a “full-immersion” course in the black culture. They have no wisdom to filter the utter bullshit that they have embraced…that they were led to believe.

    I HAVE NEVER MET A PERSON, HAVING BEEN FORCED TO LIVE IN OR ABOUT A GHETTO THAT ESPOUSES A “WOKE” AGENDA REGARDING RACE.

    never.

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  20. @WorkingClass

    There is a good quote out there on this… There are some mistakes that only intelligent people make.

    The mind should work forwards: What is this? Let me figure it out. It’s _____.

    But it usually works backwards: I want ______ to be ______, so, what’s the best argument that this is the case?

    Smart people sometimes come up with arguments as to why what they want to be true is true, instead of using their minds to figure out what is actually true.

  21. Adrian E. says:
    @Uncle Sam

    Israel is not overwhelmingly Ashkenazi Jewish. Taken together, there are more Mizrahi Jews and Arabs among Israeli citizens (not counting non-citizens in occupied territories) than Ashkenazi Jews.

    About a fifth of Israeli citizens are Arabs. The share of Ashkenazis among Jews is much lower in Israel than in North America. Now, since the immigration of many Jews from the former Soviet Union, there are again more Ashkenazis than Mizrahis (though many of these former Soviet Jews have mixed Ashkenazi-Slavic ancestry), but before that, there were more Mizrahis for some time, and they are still a large percentage.

    The IQ of Mizrahi Jews is hardly particularly high, in most studies, their results are somewhat above the one of Arabs, but below (or maximally about equal to) average non-Jewish Europeans.

    • Replies: @Realist
  22. Adrian E. says:
    @Yee

    It depends. I agree that studying the differences in the distribution of IQ between different sub-populations could damage social cohesion. Then we have a certain dilemma, on one hand, science should not be restricted, but it might still be good not to emphasize this area of study too much.

    But the situation is different when there are influential groups that make claims that we must expect exactly the same distribution among people with professions that require a high IQ as among the population as a whole and that the only possible explanation for differences are discrimination and racism. That threatens social cohesion even more. It also leads to „solutions“ that are harmful to everyone, such as versions of affirmative action that lead to a strong mismatch of people‘s abilities with the requirements at the institutions of learning.

    In order to combat these very damaging ideologies that will prevent social cohesion forever, since we can never expect the percentage of different racial groups to be the same among different professions, I think it is important that people get to understand that it is completely implausible and at odds with the facts to expect that the IQ distribution is the same among all sub-populations.

    If there was some acceptance that there are probably such IQ differences between population groups, there could be more constructive policies – the left could fight for decent conditions for people with lower IQ of all races instead of making absurd claims that any difference in percentages among the overall population and among elite groups is evidence of discrimination and racism -, and in such a situation, I would agree that this is an area of study with which we should be careful and which should not be emphasized too much.

    But with the big influence of anti-scientific ideas that treat it as certain that IQ distribution and average must be the same among all population subgroups and that only racism can lead to seeming differences, which leads to policy proposals that are harmful to everyone and threatens social cohesion much more, I think it is important to point out how implausible and unscientific these ideologies are.

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
  23. anon[163] • Disclaimer says:
    @obwandiyag

    Sorry genius, the proof is not in the pudding, the expression actually is “the proof of the pudding is in the eating” I should not have to point this out to someone of towering intelligence like you

    • Agree: Twodees Partain
    • Replies: @obwandiyag
    , @Badger Down
  24. MEH 0910 says:
    @Bragadocious


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  25. @WorkingClass

    “intelligence” is essentially a tool. It’s developed in the individual & the community to facilitate (& modify) desire & aversion.
    Along side reason, desire & aversion is Will. Human existence probably boils down to interactions between these forces. Naturally, the “Body”, (& to some extent the external “environment “both social & nature) our actual physical state is the “context”, the reality upon which these interactions take place.

  26. PJ London says:

    Envy is a terrible sin.
    Your envy of your cognitive superiors is evident.
    If you kept quiet people may think you stupid.
    By writing you have proved to be both stupid and ignorant.
    Try reading the article with comprehension.

  27. The King says:

    If all the people in the world had the same IQ and intelligence we would have ended up 190 Switzerland or Japan, instead we only one of each, case closed.

    • Replies: @Badger Down
  28. My husband and I love watching “Naked and Afraid,” a tv show in which people who are experienced wilderness survivalists are dropped into rain forests, desert islands, and swamps with no clothes or shoes, and only a very few items, such as a machete or flint for making fire. Most of them are white. The show fascinates me. People dropped into Africa are soon covered in bug bites with bleeding feet. In tropical swamps they develop infections and can’t build a fire. Everyone is soon starving, the fittest the fastest, and then they lose their coordination and mental acuity which prevents them from finding food. Then they hurt themselves and are out. People who were skilled bow hunters are unable to feed themselves. There are exceptions (men with a combination of heavy muscle and gut, and women with at least a bit of dimpled fat on their rear ends do the best), but the show has caused me to question the idea that life is in any way easier in Africa, or any tropical environment.

    I watched a YouTube video about a tribe in Tanzania, and they were living Naked and Afraid every day of their lives. No time for thinking about much of anything. Primitive life in the northern hemisphere would have been even harder, though, with the reality of coming winter. A tribe in the north would have to kill an incredible amount of food to stay alive and healthy. The only theory I can come up with for the apparent higher intelligence of northern peoples would be the necessity of calculating the seasons for survival, but how do you develop something like that over eons? Everyone would die first.

    • Replies: @m___
    , @Marylou
  29. DocDictum says:

    Blacks have excelled in sports and music. Beyond that, they are seriously behind the curve.

  30. Michael F says:

    After a large number of columns favoring intelligent design over evolution, you have apparently switched to side of evolution supported by most modern biologists. Good for you.

  31. Realist says:
    @obwandiyag

    Take computer coding. The most boring thing in the world.

    Blacks find it boring because they are too fucking stupid to excel at it

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  32. Realist says:
    @DocDictum

    Blacks have excelled in sports and music. Beyond that, they are seriously behind the curve.

    Some sports yes…but then sports are useless in the modern world. Blacks are not better in intellectual music…such as classical.

    • Agree: SafeNow
  33. TG says:

    Very interesting points. A few comments.

    Why are blacks so angry, and not other races? There is an elephant in the room that nobody will discuss.

    Back when blacks were officially discriminated against, blacks were held to below-market wages, which was very profitable for some people. Contrary to popular propaganda, the civil rights movement was less about (mostly) useless symbolic matters like voting, and more about unionizing and negotiation for higher wages.

    With a tight labor market, even blue collar workers can do well, and newly unionized black meatpackers and janitors etc. were doing pretty good. I can remember that far back, and I don’t recall the floors being dirty or any lack of packed meat etc.

    The rich didn’t like this, so starting in the later 1960’s they SPECIFICALLY fired BLACKS and replaced them with Mexicans because they could be forced to work for lower wages. Black unemployment soared. Regardless of the nature vs. nature thing, it’s unrealistic to expect a third-generation janitor to instantly reinvent himself as a world-class computer programmer.

    Deprived of the ability to earn a decent living through honest work, black culture regressed. I point out that there is nothing more toxic to young men of ANY race to be deprived of the ability to earn a living and support a family.

    But we can’t talk about this, this has been completely edited out of the public record. To me there is nothing so putrid as rich liberals who, having thrown blue-collar black Americans under the bus, cry a river of crocodile tears. So new reasons need to be invented: blacks are stupid. Not relevant, really, there is no reason a janitor can’t earn a decent living if there are not 100 desperate people competing for their job. “Systemic racism” – again, utter rubbish. But these false reasons serve to distract us from the real cause of lower-class black anger.

    Although it must be admitted, American blacks have acted like chumps here. They cheer the mass importation of third world refugees who take their jobs. They clap as the affirmative action programs designed for them are instead given to third world refugees with no legitimate claim to them. They reliably vote for disgusting corporate lickspittle whores like Joe Biden, who has spent the last half-century stabbing the working class int he back, because they are told to. So, maybe blacks really are stupid after all…

    • Agree: utu, E. Rekshun
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  34. Realist says:
    @Anita Patel

    The names of the top 300 entrants are published. In each of the three most recent competitions approximately 200 of these top 300 HS Seniors have very recognizably East Asian or South Asian family names. I’m not sure what that indicates.

    What it indicates is that when a country breeds over one billion people there are going to be a number of highly intelligent people born. Many of those people move to the United States. The average IQ of Chinese is considerably higher than the average IQ of Indians…therefore brain drain is more deleterious to India

    • Agree: Commentator Mike
    • Replies: @Dave Bowman
  35. Thomasina says:

    How well would Beethoven have done on an IQ test?

  36. Realist says:
    @Adrian E.

    Excellent points.

    In 2018, 31.8% of Israeli Jews self-identified as Ashkenazi. Since the number is self-identified the true number is probably lower. When one allows for Twenty percent Arabs the Ashkenazi are probably less than twenty-five percent of the Israeli population.

  37. Realist says:
    @TG

    Although it must be admitted, American blacks have acted like chumps here. They cheer the mass importation of third world refugees who take their jobs. They clap as the affirmative action programs designed for them are instead given to third world refugees with no legitimate claim to them. They reliably vote for disgusting corporate lickspittle whores like Joe Biden, who has spent the last half-century stabbing the working class int he back, because they are told to. So, maybe blacks really are stupid after all…

    I totally agree.

  38. Thomasina says:
    @Anita Patel

    “The names of the top 300 entrants are published. In each of the three most recent competitions approximately 200 of these top 300 HS Seniors have very recognizably East Asian or South Asian family names. I’m not sure what that indicates.”

    That they spend an inordinate amount of their waking hours studying, beginning at a very early age?

    • Replies: @ivan
  39. Realist says:
    @Uncle Sam

    So who came up this determination that Ashkenazi Jews are more intelligent than gentile whites?

    Everyone who has done comparative IQ studies.

    White gentiles in America have an average I.Q. of 100, superior to Israeli Jews.

    Not everyone in Israel is Jewish, about twenty percent are Arabs. The average IQ for Israelis is ninety-four. Where did you get the data for Israeli Jews?

    • Replies: @Thomasina
  40. And the IQ heavy meritocracy has brought us to the point we are at now. How good is that? Really good at certain things. And, quick thinking. Remember, IQ tests also have a time factor. So much for things that might require experiential knowledge. Wisdom comes to mind. But hey, smart people solve problems quickly and efficiently. No temporal consideration needed or wanted. How’s that working out for the West? Not so good I think.

    Mike

  41. Thomasina says:
    @Realist

    “So who came up this determination that Ashkenazi Jews are more intelligent than gentile whites?

    Everyone who has done comparative IQ studies.”

    Who did these studies? Are they the same people who did studies of the Holocaust? Same people who determined Building #7 fell rather neatly into its own footprint because of fires? Same people who determined that Covid came from a wet market? Same people who told us the last election was legit? Same people who told us that masks are essential?

    • Replies: @Realist
  42. @Løvstuhagen

    I would like to read a discussion on the limits of human intelligence rather than endless blather about IQ. All who are directly involved in “gain of fuction” research are almost certainly high IQ individuals. And they are too stupid to see the downside of inventing new diseases. All the Professors that have abandoned education in favor of indoctrination are obviously stupid. Or merely evil?

    No no no. Discussions of human intellignce must be dick measuring contests. Or specuation about AI which is not an expansion but a turbo charging of existing human intelligence.

    • Replies: @Rev. Spooner
  43. @Michelle

    Assuming both the tutor and student have Cantonese as their first language (as seems likely), it would be far, far easier to teach maths in Cantonese than in any other language.
    Before WWII, East Asians were not allowed in public schools, so they went to schools where everything was conducted in their dialect (most commonly Cantonese) so their English was about the same as someone who grew up in China. After WWII, they were sent to normal public schools, and their English, still usually a second language, became normal American English. Today, most are bilingual, speaking English like any other American with and American accent, and speaking Cantonese like any other ABC.

    • Replies: @Michelle
  44. @Michelle

    There is an obvious contradiction in this article. First, Mr Reed says Ashkenazi Jews have a higher IQ than East Asians, but all those on the US International Maths team were East Asians without a single Ashkenazi Jew.

  45. Uncle Al says: • Website

    In my first job out of school, an engineering section was “transforming coal into PET.” Sure. My tech expressed disdain for their running about 2.5 experiments/week in a sci-fi high pressure lab and getting stubborn 3% yields. He: steel tubing, Swagelock fittings, a fluidized sand bath all from the bone pile. Me – organiker and passable glassblower. Bootleg five runs morning and afternoon each for two weeks. Since the catalyst chemistry was voodoo…we tried everything pertinent on the shelves in the place…to total failure…

    …except for one 73% yield. This is technically called “better.” It could be explained, with expectation of further improvement.

    Reported; meeting. Managerial declaration of “Trade Secret.” Two write-downs for insubordination, and Engineering went back to improving the CdI2 3% yield. Intelligence? Why bother?

    There is no chain of ability and accomplishment that cannot be sundered by one manager. The Democrat Socialist idiot “Great Society” has pumped three successive generations of managers then policy makers into the System. It can only be repaired by enough bloodshed to clot sewers.

    BTW, to convert mixed benzene polycarboxylates into terephthalic acid re PET…CuCN; oxidative addition, ring migration and clean up, then reductive elimination. Up yours, Oxy.

    • Agree: Boomthorkell
  46. Ace says:

    Outgroups aren’t hostile? Where is my bottle of kumbaya juice?

    I’m personally uninterested in whether non-whites in general are intellectually inferior to whites. Certain people and groups are smarter than I am and so what? What race realists are interested in establishing is that there is a constellation of anti-social behaviors observable when concentrations of blacks occur. Garbage will appear on the streets, drug dealing will be visible, crack houses will appear, prostitution will appear, schools will be jungles of violence, ignorance and hostility to learning, the grass will disappear from every front yard, windows will be broken and remain that way, and, inter alia, gangs and unmarried baby momma will be ubiquitous. Repeat after me: “As night follows day.”

    We welcome anyone of any color who’s willing to sign on to the values of the majority white culture but laugh at the notion that there is not an extremely high concentration of dysfunctional, criminal behavior in areas where there is a low to medium concentration of blacks.

    The competing explanation for this civilizational disaster is that it’s the result of structural racism. This is a fairy tale as hellish communities are in fact the result of an existing, observable, rotten culture correlated to skin color. But it’s race realists who cause apoplexification. It’s the fabulists who deserve the obloquy but we don’t live on that planet.

    • Agree: acementhead
  47. @elysianfield

    Let us not forget that many of the woke are smart enough to

    A: Ignore Reality
    and
    B: See reality, but lie accordingly to serve their own or another’s purposes.

    Both sadly take a good measure of intelligence.

  48. SafeNow says:

    The biggest problem is not what to acknowledge about low-IQ races. (In fact, it’s not really a problem at all, because low IQ will never be acknowledged.) The main problem is that low-IQ performance is contagious. Meritocracy is eroded, and curricula and training is dumbed-down; and so many whites and Asians surrender to the reduced performance level. This started here in my California. Sorry. I would proofread this, but what the heck.

  49. @Michelle

    It would be interesting to see a world where we can institutionalize global best practices in teaching methods. Then again, I wonder if different methods of problem solving have actual racial (or even just linguistic) compatibility factors.

    This would be worth some study.

  50. @obwandiyag

    As Fred suggested, put 5 people who scored 99th percentile on the SAT as well as 5 who scored in the 10th percentile in freshman calculus. See what happens.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  51. Anonymous[234] • Disclaimer says:

    Do IQ tests “work”? Statistically, yes. In the case of individuals, not always.

    Is that your insight on statistical inference?

    Fred, you were a very good writer-journalist, and I have enjoyed reading you over the many years. However, your cognitive decline is evident. Nothing to be ashamed for – we all will be there (I myself am starting to feel it). But maybe it’s time to quit with dignity.

  52. @anon

    Fuck you you fucking pedantic ass.

    Look up pedantic. It is not a good thing.

    It describes you to a t.

    To a t is the eating, or drinking, or supping, I mean, you insufferable clodpoll clown.

    • LOL: Realist
  53. @Realist

    So you find it “interesting,” you loser? You boor. You bore. You boar.

    • LOL: Truth, Escher
    • Replies: @Realist
  54. @Gordon K. Shumway

    The thing that you say “Fred suggested” is exactly what I suggested, that IQ is nothing, except on the fringes. In other words, 99th and 10th are fringes (I have to explain such things to morons like you, because you are incapable of inferral.)

    Taleb pointed this fact about IQ fringes out long before this clown Reed was born, and and before he was born to this day.

    In other words, your precious “example” is bogus. It is an example of nothing. Oh, I give up. You don’t understand extremely simple statistics.

  55. Realist says:
    @Thomasina

    Who did these studies? Are they the same people who did studies of the Holocaust? Same people who determined Building #7 fell rather neatly into its own footprint because of fires? Same people who determined that Covid came from a wet market? Same people who told us the last election was legit? Same people who told us that masks are essential?

    No…many of them are Whites with an excellent background in statistics and a desire to find the truth at any cost.

    • LOL: Sarah
  56. Realist says:
    @obwandiyag

    So you find it “interesting,” you loser?

    Very much so. I find using logic to solve a problem or create an algorithm quite pleasing. Mental challenges are always fun.

    But I am sure you have never experienced that.

    • Replies: @Truth
  57. Orientals dominate in STEM competitions in the United States simply because Asians are fanatical about learning (from their parents) and spend a large amount of time with books and still know what things are really worth pursuing. American whites at one time were fanatical about learning, they knew it would make them successful in life but also believed that the pursuit of knowledge was a worthwhile pursuit in itself. Since the 1950’s the American educational establishment has been intentionally dumbed down and unimportant, mindless pursuits have been promoted… such as sports, pornography, bad music, bad films and bad and offensive visual arts. An illiterate or barely illiterate man has diminished powers of discrimination and is more easily manipulated. In additon, gifted whites that have passed through the minefield of American miseducation and have actually taught themselves something will be discriminated against if they try to attend college. With the admission quotas skewed in favor of non-whites, many whites don’t get into the right educational environment that would be nurturing to their natural abilities so many are forced to go into business, trades or trivial university courses such as arts. If the educational system could be brought back to the quality and standards of 1955 and whites had the same attitude they had to education then, orientals would not dominate any more.

  58. @Daddio7

    “My daughter has a PhD and teaches college English and my son is a lawyer for a large multi national corporation. ”

    A PhD in education from an American university today is the equivalent of grade twelve 70 years ago. A perfect example of the level of ability needed for such can be seen in Jill Biden’s doctoral thesis, which can be found online.

    • Agree: Irish Savant
    • Replies: @TKK
  59. @Yee

    Conversely, those that are not as intellectually gifted should not be allowed to hold back or discriminate against those blessed with better intellectual facilities. If everyone was allowed to be the best that they can be, it would be a much better society. What we have now is intentionally dumbing down of the settler/founding people of the United States by the Jews, who despite their relatively small numbers have been able to worm their way into every area of power that matters and unleash the negro and now the Indian and Oriental to destabilize and divide the power structure in the United States which only benefits them.

    • Agree: Ace, Irish Savant
  60. @Thomasina

    Not very well because he could only read a write in musical notes.

    • Replies: @Alfa158
  61. utu says:

    Who studies IQ? At the top of the analytical hill we have psychometrists, usually highly intelligent (pardon the word) and well trained statisticians. They are careful, well aware of pitfalls in psychological measurement, and doing their best, which is usually quite good, to determine the truth.

    Not too fas!

    The IQist group operates in a defensive mod; is very cultish and can’t attract best students. They have their own exclusive journals and very rarely succeed to get published in more reputable journals. Their work is not reviewed outside of their group as the main stream science does not want to engage them. They are susceptible to strong confirmation bias and are less likely to clean up their errors, improprieties and frauds.

    More bluntly, the problem is that people who do these type of studies are self-recruited from the true believers while the reasonable skeptics are too often revolted by it and thus avoid it. So the field ends up being peopled with shady characters like Kikegaard, Becker and Piffer under auspices of Richard Lynn and James Thompson.

    It took them several decades to discover the Flynn effect and then a few more years to admit it because Flynn blew a whistle on them which was a devastating blow to their assumption and beliefs they professed about the IQ tests.

    They enforce Spearman’s dogma that there is only one significant principal component of intelligence. Tests within the battery of tests can be easily modified to produce two principal components of comparable strength. Two principal components are necessary to explain difference between people and sexes in particular who score differently on visuo-spatial tests and language tests.

    They fall for the streetlight effect fallacy. What they do not see, what they can’t measure does not exist. Only g-factor has reality.

    Their use of factor analysis is based on alchemical like recipes that were passed from Jensen to his apprentices. The same data analyzed by an adept of factor analysis who however had not been introduced to Jensen alchemy may not be able to reproduce their results as various adjustments of principal component by orthogonal and oblique rotations they do will seem to him arbitrary.

    They have discovered Wilson effect that implies that IQ test scores of MZ twins converge and/or of DZ twins diverge from childhood to adulthood. At the same time they are pretty vehement about another dogma that intelligence is constant throughout life.

    They like to claim that IQ test scores correlate with many good things in life like academic performance or salary. Usually they do not mention that the correlations they list have been corrected for the attenuation and the restricted range. The correction formulas have free parameters that can be tweaked to get correlation as close to 1 as you wish.

    The IQ score MZ/DZ twin based heritability estimates widely vary from below 50% to 80%. However GWAS estimates can’t cross 13% even when they use close to 1,000,000 SNPs in the polygenic score. Is it possible that there is an inherent flaw in twins based heritability estimates and that the problem of “missing heritability” will be only solved by rejecting identical twins studies results. That the effect of evoking response from the environment by identical twins is different then by DZ twins.

    The greatest offense of IQists is that they succeeded in reification of the IQ tests scores. One does not say “John’s IQ score has been 110” but “John is 110 IQ person.” They convinced themselves and their followers that map is territory.

    Is IQism science? Some of it is but it is burdened with too much of pseudo-science, para-science, junk science, and even fraudulent science. Fraudulent science is when they cheat (eg: Cyril Burt). Junk science when the results are meaningless (eg: g-factor). Para-science when they go through motions resembling science that seem to be methodologically valid but which lead to fooling yourself, your fanboys and reviewers of friendly journals. And pseudoscience is when you spend more effort on confirming hypothesis that you like than on the effort of disproving them.

  62. @Gordon K. Shumway

    Oh, they do. Counter example: me!

  63. ivan says:
    @Thomasina

    Yes that is all there is to it, it is that simple. Johnny spends his time fishing, hiking, drinking and what remaining time he has on his studies. He emerges with a pass in Physics. Muthu from India, spends all his time, his waking and sleeping hours, supplemented by tuitions and “enhancement” classes until the age the of 29 on his studies. He emerges with a PhD in Physics, and is not heard from since.

    • Agree: DNS
    • Replies: @another fred
  64. [Race realists’] clear desire is to prove that blacks, Hispanics, and non-whites in general are intellectually inferior to whites.

    This is not true in general, though there are individuals of whom it can be fairly said. The more frequent case is the race realist who seeks an explanation for social pathologies that correlate strongly with race. Many of us are former liberals who despaired of convincing ourselves that we weren’t seeing what was so plainly before us. Thereby hangs a sad tale.

  65. BuelahMan says:

    I wish anyone could explain succinctly how it is that so many very smart people do and believe some of the dumbest shit.

    • Agree: dimples
    • Replies: @WorkingClass
  66. m___ says:

    Now if this article is not a smoothy. He who cannot sip it, and there is no aftertaste, must be unintended audience fractions with bile disfunction.

    As an afterthought, could it be that the very distinct collective IQ differences, including these in class, and over layers, physical and social, …be quite meaningless as to what IQ collective measures are needed to bring rational longterm change in politics and social engineering, “finance”. My guess is that selective (small) groups of individuals make all the difference. What constitutes these groups, the more dense they are in workable systemics thinking, the lesser the “bad” racism matters. This addresses the well done remark of comment three.

    As to medals in mathematics, it must be evidenced that pairing malinois dogs and border collies is not the way in setting out for a next generation of tops in smartness garanteed. What breeders also know, matching sub races, will not result in anything homogeneous within say thirty generations of careful interference. So even the bright(human) IQ individuals should stick probably to not race mixing, not out of despise, but out of long term prospects to best of offspring. Consider it a hint as to Harry is wrong, Megan is right in case.

  67. m___ says:
    @Red Pill Angel

    What stumps me, why did smarter higher lattitudes people not return on their steps.

  68. nickels says:

    I’ve worked with some of these famed ‘jewish scientists’. I saw discipline, competence, perseverance. But I also saw an almost slavish reliance on anything published in a journal-as if the journal was the talmudic truth and all must fall in place as the good book describes. As such, there is a jewish tendency to view the world in the simplistic terms of a research paper. All to the jew is simple models, graphs and tables. The actual complexity often befuddles them and they struggle to understand why reality refuses to behave as the good book says.
    The chinese scientist is not so constrained. He also possesses the discipline and competence. But he has a lazy streak and tries to cut corners from time to time, which serves him well and leads to innovations. At root getting something that works is the end goal-the beauty or coherence of the result is not a factor.
    The black scientist-well there are none. Which is not to discount black intelligence. The black man is often the most creative of the whole bunch. And often very competent, but mostly in physical or musical ways. Black intelligence is of a very different nature and science is not an expression of it.
    Now the true scientific genius is, of course, the Anglo Saxon/Germanic character. He possesses the displine, the competence and the perseverance, but is not constrained to stay between the lines like the jewish scientist. And, unlike the Chinamen, he loops back to refine and perfect his results, to shore up the edifice so that it may be built upon and advanced. It is no accident that he is the one chosen by God to conquer the lands and tame the savages; to built the highways and towns and bring civilization to the wastes. His gift is the ability to strive for the aesthetic, and to combine his science and engineering with the beautiful.
    fin.

  69. @BuelahMan

    If IQ was a measure of intelligence there would not be high IQ people who are stupid. IQ measures something. But it’s not intelligence. I guess you have to be a dumb ass to understand this.

    • Agree: Red Pill Angel
    • Replies: @BuelahMan
  70. @obwandiyag

    I have a Master’s in mathematics. I have taught statistics classes.
    Why do you believe that Fred Reed is, as you put it, “unintelligent”?
    Tell me about your education.

    • Thanks: bomag
  71. @obwandiyag

    Resorting to personal attacks is tantamount to a full and contrite concession.

    • Agree: TKK
    • Replies: @Truth
  72. Gorillas and Chimpanzees are both classified as apes yet they don’t mate, humans are not like gorillas and chimps, or orangutans or baboons which isn’t an ape even though it doesn’t have a tail. So with that in mind which ape did people spring forth from, because those apes don’t interbreed, which would suggest that if a hairless babe got dropped there would have had to have been two, big headed babes a boy and girl, that their momma would have to drag around because they wouldn’t be clinging to her back while she gracefully scampers off for a banana. Tarzan movies aside, which one raised these hairless babes, because we would have come from just one because they don’t interbreed. So these babes would sprout off from the pack to grow up and have gorilla hand ashtrays, so maybe not gorillas? Now different races of humans do and will go together.
    People with high IQ’s are just too smart to believe in God according to themselves. Add subtract multiply and divide. Over and Over again, rinse repeat.
    Ashkenazi was the medieval rabbinical name for Germany, a member of one the two great divisions of Jews comprising the eastern European Yiddish speaking.
    Asher a son of Jacob and traditional eponymous (named after) ancestor of one of the tribes of Israel.
    (I had to consult my dictionary)
    Ash something that symbolizes grief , repentance or humiliation. also a tree. deadly pale.
    I guess maybe the nazis just decided to drop the line of Asher heading?

    • Replies: @Poco
  73. @IvyMike

    Bill Clinton was very smart. Being intelligent and being evil are not mutually exclusive.

  74. JosephB says:
    @IvyMike

    Bill Clinton.

    He was a successful governor and a successful president. Why do you think he’s unintelligent? He’s at least as smart as Dubya, who was 95th to 98th percentile.

  75. Michelle says:
    @MichaelWme

    Not what he meant. It is easier to explain the methods and applications in Cantonese, is what he meant. Our supervisor, also from China, and brilliant, is very unhappy with the way her son’s teachers teach him math here in the US. She , and other Chinese parents, have noticed that their children are being taught math incorrectly.

  76. sulu says:
    @restless94110

    This flaw in logic and understanding–like Freddy’s flaw regarding the laws of physics re 9-11–reveals Fred’s own lack of high IQ.

    Just because Fred parrots the official 9/11 narrative doesn’t mean he believes what he writes or that he must have a low I.Q. It simply means he chooses to write bullshit to keep from rocking the boat and having the Jews land on his neck seeking to extract their proverbial pound of flesh.

    Fred is intelligent enough to know that the official narrative on 9/11 is false. He is smart enough to know or at least suspect Jewish involvement in 9/11. He chooses to maintain the official narrative out of self interest.

    It does mean that he is finished as an honest journalist. But Fred stupid? I think not.

    Sulu

    • Replies: @restless94110
  77. BuelahMan says:
    @WorkingClass

    I didn’t mention IQ, but I get your point.

    I can generally speak with an individual for about 5 minutes and know if they are “smart”, and no IQ test was involved.

    I know some very brilliant leftys who believe Biden is smart and articulate. They know Chemistry and physics and higher levels of math, yet believe that stupid shit.

  78. @sulu

    That is some pretty tall assumptions and assertions on your part , hoss.

    Fro one thing why would an old man safely settled outside of the United States give a shit what Jews think?

    For another, you seem to also assume that Fred is smart, but you have no proof of that.

    It’s obvious he really does believe the nonsense around 9-11.

    You are imputing things Fred has never emanated.

    • Replies: @sulu
  79. Truth says:
    @elysianfield

    I HAVE NEVER MET A PERSON, HAVING BEEN FORCED TO LIVE IN OR ABOUT A GHETTO THAT ESPOUSES A “WOKE” AGENDA REGARDING RACE.

    And you know so many Americans who have been “forced” to live places, I’m sure.

    • Replies: @elysianfield
  80. Truth says:
    @Realist

    Mental challenges are always fun.

    But I am sure you have never experienced that.

    Oh, I don’t know Old Sport, Obi did find a way to insult you., logically, with three different homophones in the same sentence…

    • Troll: TKK
  81. Truth says:
    @Gordon K. Shumway

    What was our last president confessing? He did it every day.

    • Replies: @Avis
  82. TKK says:
    @Daddio7

    Americans discount how much importance your parent’s education affects your life. I have found that their station in life directly affects your outcome, along with their wealth and connections , FAR MORE than native intelligence.

    I totally understand what happened to you in school. My parents were divorced and were both in a dating frenzy when I went to undergrad. They had no idea what was going on because they were not dialed into my life.

    I signed up to take the LSAT and did know there were private prep classes! Books I could have bought to see the questions, how it was graded.. I did a set of 10 questions in the registration booklet and then I just sort of showed up and took the test after I mailed in my money order.

    On the same note, I will never forget a buddy of mine receiving a brand new Audi for his undergrad gift.

    Meanwhile, my mother had collapsed in the middle of my studio apartment with a migraine, and my father skulked outside with his GF. I watched other families celebrate and go out to eat, happy and talkative, while I watched an old horror movie and waited for my mother to wake up. My friends pitied me but carried on with their family celebrations and partying.

    Congratulations on your children’s accomplishments: a steady paycheck is a wonderful thing in the country. I know your son the corporate lawyer is killing it.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  83. TKK says:
    @Joe Paluka

    They are gainfully employed. They have white collar jobs that allow them to use their minds and solve problems in a climate controlled environment- complete with health insurance and perks that make life easier.

    Do you have any idea how many billions of people would kill for that kind of economic security and comfort?

    • Agree: Escher
  84. The core question, as it stands today, is what we do with the sub-Saharan Africans (and/or other primitive populations like Andamanese or Australian Abos)? Loosely speaking, whites, East Asians, south Asians (with exceptions), and new world aborigines seem to be able to co-exist with Western Civ (or oriental Civ). There is a definite number of groups (one in particular) that seems incapable of conformity to the prerequisites of civilization as we know it.

    The madness is that absolutely EVERYONE knows this. Unless you are literally retarded, you know upon reading the paragraph above that the population groups were …

    And I still don’t need to specify do I? Because we are ALL on the same page.

    And yet we can’t bring ourselves to publicly admit reality.

    If this isn’t already a dystopia, I don’t need to see any more..

  85. @WorkingClass

    If humans were intelligent they would be living in peace and prosperity. The key question regarding intelligence is how can we get some.

    Where humans live in “peace and prosperity”, evolution either slows to a crawl or reverses itself. The nature of nature is conflict.

    I really can’t put it any more succinctly.

    • Replies: @The Real World
  86. @northeast

    Exactly, in Latin America you have a situation comparable to former European colonies, with a white ruling class that makes the colony function well. That doesn’t mean that the average IQ of the native population is high. Remove the white ruling class and the former colony reverts to its true intellectual level. Thus Rhodesia became Zimbabwe.
    In Latin America the white upper class remained after independence. This is a fact Fred Reed refuses to acknowledge when he keeps on bragging how “intelligently” Latin American countries are run.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  87. @WorkingClass

    Can a high IQ person be woke? If so, what good is intelligence?

    Unfortunately, yes.

    I was raised by an entire family of such radically deluded people. I will note that in the two cases where I fully prosecuted my arguments against their delusions, it resulted in tearful admissions (of the type that you might expect from matronly white women) that disaster would ensue if we were to admit reality.

    We live not under Paternalism. (I’ll just note here which parent most likely to let you touch the damn stove if you are so sure it’s not going to hurt)

    We live in the age of Maternalism..

    • Replies: @JM
  88. sulu says:
    @restless94110

    It’s obvious he really does believe the nonsense around 9-11.

    You are making some rather tall assumptions yourself, Hoss.

    There is no way in hell that Fred could be unaware of the so called “dancing Israelis.” The white van with several Jews inside that was already set up to film the twin towers on that fateful day. After the plane hit the towers they danced like they were at their own bar mitzva. The cops caught up with them and then let them go and they quickly absconded back to Israel, only to appear on tv there and admitt to the fact that they were Mossad assets.

    This proves conclusively that at the very least Israeli intelligence knew of the coming attack and chose to remain silent, thereby letting 9/11 happen. And of course it begs the question of whether or not it was the Mossad that planned and executed the attack in the first place so America would have a reason to send its military into the Middle East and conveniently kill the enemies of the Jews.

    And as for your question as to what reason Fred would have to fear the Jews when he is way down in Old Mexico? Well, it’s rather obvious. Fred no doubt gets some money from the U.S. government in the form of social security checks. Probably gets disability too because he is mostly blind and some military pension. If he were to start telling the truth about the Jews and 9/11 he might just start having problems getting his money. The Jews in our government have the power to do this. Fred knows this and chooses to remain silent due to enlightened self interest. As I have said on numerous occasions Fred is just an old soldier whose battles are behind him. All he wants now it to go gently into that great night without too much trouble. And telling the truth about the Jews is inviting trouble.

    As to whether or not old Fred is intelligent? Well, that is a judgement call. But I have read most of his columns and he has the pedigree for it what with mathematicians and doctors in his family. He also has a B.S. in science.(If memory serves.) He is a scuba diver and it’s a sport where one must understand what you are doing as well as pay attention to details. I have met a few stupid scuba divers. I can’t count the number of them that got paralyzed or dead. At the beach I used to dive we would routinely have two or three deaths or serious injuries every year.

    No, Fred is just what he appears to be. An educated Southern hillbilly with a high I.Q. and a penchant for travel, beer, women and adventure. Kind of reminds me of……me.

    Sulu

    • Agree: acementhead
    • Replies: @restless94110
  89. Dumbo says:

    Everybody, even Blacks, know that (most) Blacks are dumb as hell, and tend to commit more crime. So the woke idea to somehow “protect them for this knowledge” is stupid. Blacks don’t really care if they are seen as violent and dumb. Just don’t say that they are wussies, or that they have small penises. Then expect a drive-by shooting the next day.

    IQ is just the ability to solve puzzles and abstract math problems. It doesn’t mean as much as “HBD bloggers” at UR think. They like this IQ stuff because they are nerds and like statistics and that’s their main strength. But IQ, while helpful in some sciences, is not the main thing n life. Jews dominate, even over the book-smart Asians, because they are good at relationships and can be real mean sonofabitches.

    Being socially dominant and being able to convince people of your bullshit (i.e. being a psychopath) is more important for power than having a high IQ. Do people like Weinstein and other Jewish perverts, I mean Hollywood producers, really have a high IQ?

    Even in Science (and of course the arts), creativity is more important than IQ. You can have a high IQ, but not use it too much than to join Mensa, play video games, and post clever comments at UR all day.

    • Agree: Red Pill Angel
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  90. @Yee

    Races is the same thing as Castes. People are born into them, not something you can change.

    Absolutely true! But if that is going to be the single salient fact of my existence (as it appears in 2021 BLM Bidenmerica), then there is absolutely no chance that I might give a crap about any caste but my own, no?

  91. @TG

    I point out that there is nothing more toxic to young men of ANY race to be deprived of the ability to earn a living and support a family.

    With increasing automation almost everyone will be faced with this.

  92. Some facts, unwoke but demonstrable: Both intelligence and behavior are largely determined by genetics. Any dog breeder will tell you that Border Collies are smarter than beagles.

    had to stop reading there. the first sentence is either false or meaningless. the second is false and irrelevant. dogs have 4x the genetic variuation of humans and have been bred for their behavioral traits. you should’ve said:

    Some facts, unwoke but demonstrable: Beauty is largely determined by genetics. Any dog breeder will tell you that Irish Setters are the most beautiful breed.

  93. TBeholder says: • Website

    IQ is pseudoscientific (i.e. fraudulent) nonsense. And if some test qualifies as “semi-IQ”… Next!

    Okay, if you want details, see Taleb’s article. Also, note that despite all the promotion IQ is not used in actual science.
    So e.g. to measure effects of psycho-stimulants they use good old proofreading test. Note that even this returns at least 2 values (speed and quality), optionally more (catching different types of errors). Then note that you need to know difference in more than one variable to have even a vague idea of the effects (amphetamines or related stimulants increase speed a lot, but also drop catching rate, caffeine or salidroside somewhat improves both).

  94. DNS says:
    @Yee

    Race based study is not only wasteful but poisonous to a society because it implies people should just submit to what they are born into.

    People who quote race-based studies very seldom do it to prove superiority or inferiority of another race, that is best done through emotional arguments. It is however more of a reaction to the new religion of equity which demands all groups have equal outcomes…but only in things which blacks do worse in, so no demand for equity in the 100m finals.

    It is often said that there is more variation within a “race” than between them, hence race is not statistically valid, but this has proven to be untrue as there is still clustering.

    What these charlatans don’t mention that there is more variation in social outcomes (crime, income etc) within racial groups than between them, hence racial disparities do not exist – according to Lewontin’s logic.

  95. I would rather be the low IQ white fool who knows I’m the target by a anti white administration targeted as a white Supremacist and domestic terrorist, than the idiot white who plays along with this nonsense not knowing that they will be next in line to be fed into the chipper as soon as those you advocated for extinction have disappeared.
    There’s no better IQ test than knowing your natural instincts to survive. Everything else is just academia bs for (((woke))) overlords to demean those not awarded with useless merits and titles.

    • Agree: gotmituns, GMC, Whitewolf
  96. @Thomasina

    How well would Beethoven have done on an IQ test?

    A more relevant question would be: How well would Beethoven have done on a hearing test?

  97. GMC says:

    IQ means nothing , if you don’t have a conscience , understand the difference between good and evil , conduct yourself with dignity, and do what is right for your family, friends and country. Too many with Ashkenazi IQ – only means that you can get away with screwing people , while having zero conscience. And that sounds just like what the ghetto rats in Chicago do – with their IQ of 87. Good article Fred.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
    , @Anon
  98. TBeholder says: • Website
    @Joe Paluka

    Since the 1950’s the American educational establishment has been intentionally dumbed down and unimportant, mindless pursuits have been promoted…

    What institution(s) do you think could
    – intentionally dumb down education?
    – promote mindless pursuits?
    Yeah. The same educational establishment. But then, how it can be “unimportant” while simultaneously used for this and able to do this? Cadres decide everything, as Comrade Stalin said… who is vetting and training these cadres?

    So here’s another theory: “generic” (not profession-specific) education mostly served for indoctrination and training of abacus-literate greengrocers (low) or perpetuating the bureaucratic class and priesthood (high).
    Arms race of the Steam Age created demand for STEM, which was a great anomaly.
    But then, arms race peaked during early XX century Cold War, and slowed down. No need for better nukes after Mutually Assured Destruction is already here, no need for better dreadnoughts when there are nukes. So, the jig is up.
    After this point, education institutions returned to their old goals, but also had to wrestle with the new anomalous forms in general, and remaining engineers who kept thinking they are better than mandarins in particular. While seizing any useful capabilities that didn’t dry up yet.
    That this coincided with “defeat of the Stalinist wing of the American left by its Maoist wing” (in Moldbug’s words) is mostly an accident of timing which shaped involved factions more than was shaped by them.

  99. anonymous[833] • Disclaimer says:

    The Chinese absolutely dominate America’s hard-science universities and high schools.

    So do boys, but the Woke will never accept that. Or, if they do, it represents a defect in the system which must be corrected.

    • Replies: @Whitewolf
  100. The difference between Askhenazi IQ and Separdi IQ together with Mizrahi IQ can be explained by the inbreeding practice, i.e. cousin marriages, among the latter group.

    Concerning incest, Askhenazim follow Jerusalem Talmud whereas Sephardim and Mizrahim follow Babylonian Talmud & Maimonides which is much more lax on cousin marriages than Jerusalem version. Some Askhenazim follow Maimonides too, especially Chabad Lubavitch.
    Knowing how inbreed Rebbe the Messiah was, no surprise he ended childless.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Schneersohn_family_tree

    It seems the Messiah followed Carlos II Habsburg.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_II_of_Spain

    Interestingly, cousin marriages are allowed in Protestantism, which is a telltale sign that it is Judaizing Christianity.

    The absurdity of cousin marriages (even Einstein bowed to it, which would point he was in fact Sephardi, together with his curly hair) points to something rather ominous in the history of humankind. It is in fact, a cult practice of ancient origin, with roots in Egypt, Babylon, Liban (hello Druzes!).
    Cousin marriages are expression of reality of racism par excellence. Why no one is railing against such racist religions like Druse…? Maybe because it is the religion of rulers…?

    The openly discussed racism hides the hidden racism of families.

  101. Here I part ways with Fred:

    Postscript:

    2020 U.S. International Math Olympiad team, world champion. America is about six percent Asian, if memory serves. The Chinese absolutely dominate America’s hard-science universities and high schools.

    Quanlin Chen, gold medal.
    Gopal Goel, silver medal.
    Tianze Jiang, silver medal.
    Jeffrey Kwan, silver medal.
    Luke Robitaille, gold medal.
    William Wang, gold medal.

    OK, this is US. But, seen globally, it is evident that this competition doesn’t reflect race IQ distribution that exists in popular imagination:

    https://www.imo-official.org/hall.aspx

    As you can see, the winner with most medals is ethnic Chinese from Canada. But, the most of the rest are Europeans, and those from backward countries (Bulgaria, Serbia, Romania, ..) or newly independent (Hungary) or Russia, ….

    I don’t see any dominance of Asians, especially from their home countries. Judging solely by names, there are some Asians from Anglosphere, plus a few Japanese.

    Where is Israel?
    Where is China?

    Crickets ….

    • Replies: @Humbert Humbert
  102. Anon[185] • Disclaimer says:

    Fred – I like it much better when you write about childhood and/or life in exile with your charming wife. Those are powerful and well written essays.

    some thoughts:
    Way back in the dark ages, circa 1978 or so, there was a vast long term study comparing outcomes of brothers in life. It turned out that 2 brothers would have incredibly different income levels despite having similar intelligence, family, and schooling.

    One can also look back on one’s classmates and see big differences in outcomes even though the intelligence and opportunities would be (roughly) similar. (I’m double Ivy both undergrad and grad school so speaking from experience; if you want to be bored to tears go to a Ivy College reunion. The least successful will wax loudly on about their glory days, the most successful will be quietly doing business deals in the corners)

    We as a society should be focusing less on IQ and more on other measures of success. Mike Rowe has very interesting thoughts on the topic.

  103. Cousin marriages are also popular among ruling classes of Japan.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_K%C5%8Dmei

    ‘Unknown to his time, Kōmei had suffered from multiple hereditary diseases that were the result of inbreeding. These genetic defects included but were not limited to prognathism and Spinal deformation. The direct cause of Koumei’s health condition is the consanguineous marriages tradition of Japanese upper class, which continued for centuries. ‘

    Aristocracy is truly a parasitic class.

    Anyone notice how the Habsburg jaw aka prognathism is similar to neanderthal protruded jaw…?
    Maybe the entire inbreeding program has a goal of bringing a Neanderthal (pre-Adamite) back…

  104. idealogus says: • Website

    Does anyone have more recent data about the IQ coefficient of the Jews.
    I have heard more than 1000 times that Jews have iq = 115. But every time I asked where this information came from, I found out that it was the result of an old study about 60 years old and quite subjective and weak. In the same study, Croatia received an iq <90 that I understood was the result of tests given in a mental hospital.
    On the other hand, I read that the Israeli army gives tests to recruits and the result was less than 100.
    The coefficient of 115 for Jews seems more like an urban myth that cannot be demolished because Jews have absolute power in the massmedia.

  105. Does June belong to ‘gay’ moons or baboons?

  106. gotmituns says:

    Yes, blacks have the lowest IQ, and yes there are racial differences. But the main difference with blacks and the other races is their non-existent self control. Their attention span is lacking and on top over everything are lazy.

    • Agree: Sulu
  107. sally says:
    @obwandiyag

    Genetic capacity is two fold( historical experience with environment and lifetime experience with environment). Change the environment and the racial association and ranking to IQ may change.

    • Replies: @bj0311
  108. Dave C. says:
    @Joe Paluka

    Yes, this is a very important point. The learning environment is just as important as inherent intelligence. Glen Beck has talked about this on his radio show. He has some old eighth grade tests from that earlier time period (1950s?), and he went over many questions. The average urban high school graduate these days would have no doubt flunked the test. That is why the Amish and others gwere able to withdraw their children from school to go to work after eighth grade and still have sufficient general knowledge – in reading, writing, mathematics, history, and basic science. Also back then, many other useful classes such as home economics and shop classes.

    Some more thoughts on this:
    I have taken a few age-appropriate IQ tests in my life, and also scored in the upper 90th percentiles on the ACT, the Graduate Record Exam, and Air Force Officers Qualifying Test. (I am Caucasian of Slavic descent.) I can add a few things to the discussion on the IQ tests.

    As an engineer, I found that the the tests for adolescents and adults were dramatically easier for me than others I knew in several areas areas such as “spatial reasoning” (questions involving various geometric shapes, diagrams, etc.) because I had learned engineering drawing in high school (and advanced CAD/CAM) later in college. ) Because of this, I have always been skeptical of IQ tests that claim that no such learned knowledge is necessary to excel on the test. An urban student from a failing school may not even understand the instructions on such questions, much less be able to answer them correctly.

    While I do believe there are overlapping Gaussian distributions of intelligence based on race (and more particularly ethic classification – of which there are dozens), I believe that the social, family, and school environment are just as important as inherent intelligence in predicting whether someone will be successful. And by successful, I mean learning a useful trade or profession, investing and saving money, having a decent place to live, having a family and friends, being a moral person, having a religious belief system, and not engaging in crime.

    Charles Murray and others in the IQ debate seem more concerned about the contribution of intelligence to social problems and somewhat less concerned about the terrible destruction of our urban schools (by modern Democrats). Due to lack of discipline, mayhem predominates in some – there are videos online showing the chaos, including attacks on teachers. This NEVER happened in my school. We had some rather large men who regularly walked the halls during the day, generally checking things and keeping order. You did NOT want to get caught by them without a hall pass or (heaven forbid) disrupting a class. One of them wore a snub nose 38 revolver in an ankle holster.

    So I am very skeptical of the race-reported results when these tests are given to “disadvantaged” children. Today many urban children for “social reasons” resist learning, and are passed-on to the next grade by leftist teachers who didn’t want to be accused of racism (often with a “C” grade). They are therefore “intellectually crippled” for the rest of their lives, and no doubt would do terribly on any IQ or standardized test. Many black and Hispanic children are pressured by their peers not to learn even the basics of reading, grammar, and arithmetic because it is “acting white.” They are conditioned by their modern “gansta” culture, movies, social media etc. to think instead that they will be wealthy rap stars, famous singers, drug dealers, or athletes; so they have little desire to learn anything that implies “whiteness”. As their excuse for their terrible schools, leftist Democrats are now actually saying that any classical learning, even mathematics is “racist.” Worse still, Critical Race Theory is teaching them that their failure is do to “oppression” and not their failure in school. Such “disabled” students can obviously not go on to be competent in upper-level classes such as science (physics, chemistry, biology), and mathematics (geometry, algebra, calculus). I have no idea how you can graduate high school these days without these subjects, but appartently that is so.

    Thomas Sowell (who is smarter than I am) has repeatedly pointed out with detailed historical research that the learning environment is probably MOST important, and that many segregated black schools excelled at learning before the wrecking-ball of President Lyndon Johnson’s great society. I can think of several prominent blacks (some obviously mixed race) who I consider smarter than I am – Sowell, Shelby Steele, Condoleezza Rice, Walter E. Williams, Clarance Thomas, Ben Carson, Carol Swain Neil deGrasse Tyson (most obviously conservative). One mark of this is that they can all speak extemporaneously with near perfect grammar in interviews on a wide variety of subjects. Most of them are older and went to decent schools, and have said that their parents or grandparents pushed them to learn. The terrible sin of modern Democrat leftism is that they have destroyed most majority black and Hispanic urban schools, such that children cannot excel, even if they have the intelligence to do so.

    I do recall that generally east Asian students got better grades and test scores. But their parents also forced them to study much more than any other ethnic group – including sometimes attending special tutoring class after school. As a result, they participated in far fewer social and athletic activities than other students (e.g. we never had an Asian boy scouts in our troop and few on our sports teams, even though there were many east Asian families in town.)

    One other thing to consider, which I have not heard Charles Murray or other scholars on this IQ issue discuss. Intelligence declines with age. Once a person reaches about age 55, there starts a noticeable, gradual decrease in IQ, with the whole Gaussian distribution for your race/ethnic group sliding lower on the graph. By age 60 (often still in the workforce), people start trouble recalling names and concepts, doing calculations, driving a car (reaction time), etc. When you are 65, mathematics becomes quite a chore. I wonder how much the “overlap” of the bell curves shifts if you compare older people of one race, to younger people of another. Notice that this doesn’t cause us to worry much about the social issue of older people’s IQs. We make appropriate accomodations as we age.

    One other random thought. We are all just one car accident or bad fall away from a 10 point drop in IQ due to a head injury. There are also brain illnesses, even just long-term depression, that can permanently reduce IQ. I have read stories of physicians, professors, and other highly intelligent people who have had head injury accidents, and they needed to drastically adjust their employment, social relations, and living situations. But they adjusted.

    People of all levels of intelligence have need to be able to function in society, and not have their lives controlled and rights diminished by those with higher IQ. Having a tyranny of high IQ intellectuals (such as we are heading for with Google, Facebook, Twitter, Amazon, Apple, etc.) or Plato’s Philosopher Kings (the Administrative Deep State) is a Brave New World that we do not want. Many in the debate have worried that high IQ individuals will come to dominate society. But the real worry is that high IQ LEFTISTS will dominate.

    • Thanks: Truth
    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  109. red22 says:

    There is so much to learn, and understand.

  110. John Hagan says: • Website

    What interests me is the role ‘humour’ plays in intelligence. That language is often the means of humour as in many a famous British comedy yet in the satirical world I deal in images as satire.
    So whatever the method it seems that the dumbing down of universities and the abuse of fine language has lead to a world becoming devoid of satire and humour. Also remember that even ‘primitive’ societies used humour consistently.
    So here is one of my visual efforts in satire … there are not explanations.

    https://vk.com/video500584952_456239099

  111. Trust the Scifience.

  112. “Proponents of IQ argue that life in cold regions requires more planning, thought, and ingenuity than life in tropical regions where fruit hangs low.”

    Is that why the Norwegians hunted the Svalbard reindeer in order to survive and therefore are carnivores and way smarter to boot, whereas, the Indians didn’t have to hunt because low hanging mangoes were plentiful to get by on and thus are dumber and herbivores?

  113. @GMC

    “…IQ means nothing , if you don’t have a conscience…”

    Intelligence and morality are two different things. Both have a meaning independent of each other, but of course it is true intelligent criminals are more of a threat to society than stupid ones.

    • Agree: Sulu
  114. Anonymous[661] • Disclaimer says:

    Good article, Fred.

    Perhaps this explains why, after decades of involvement in classical guitar communities/concerts/masterclasses worldwide, I have never once seen a black individual. Odd that the biggest market for rap music is supposed to be young white males? Surely there must be one black person out there somewhere who is yearning to play the Bach Lute Suites on a vintage Torres classical guitar. Or maybe not.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  115. Since the arctic animals are not generally cleverer (well, lemmings) than tropical animals, the environment cannot have anything to do with actually a small Germanic IQ surplus.
    And basing it on my personal experience, Norwegians are surprisingly un-clever. Maybe IQ falls down, the closer to the north, too.

    In fact, the cleverest animals (parrots, elephants, chimpanzees) come from tropics.

  116. @Joe Paluka

    For a good description of Asian parenting methods, I suggest you guys read Amy chua’s Battle hymn of the Tiger Mother. It’s also entertaining if you like music, classical. It’s awesome in intensity—maybe too much. Definitely their style of parenting is central to their success, but the genetic substrate has to the present too.

  117. Z-man says:

    White European society seems to accept the apparent superiority of Jews and East Asian, and the consequent differences in prosperity, without dangerous levels of resentment.

    I take exception to this load of crap.
    If true, I think there’ll be a breaking point especially in regard to Jews.
    But going back to the quote, Jews are successful because they have the extended TRIBE to back them up. It’s a rigged system. Ok, there is some hard work and talent involved but nourished by the invisible hand of Jewry and their $money$

    The resentment of , and by, blacks is intense and explosive.

    Correct. The truth hurts.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  118. @TKK

    My parents were divorced and were both in a dating frenzy

    Dating frenzy….

    Oh Lawd

    • LOL: Z-man, TKK
    • Replies: @TKK
  119. @Dave C.

    The entire IQ debate is about how it applies to black people. All the articles about violence and criminality are really about black propensities.

    Every study I’m aware of has blacks far below other groups in intelligence. Every crime statistic has blacks as the major cause. One can’t point to a single predominantly black country or even city anywhere in the world that isn’t far below even average areas for the other races. Common sense would indicate that the lack of intelligence and what seems to be the instinctive use of violence are traits inherent in the breed.

    The fact that the school systems are becoming more and more worthless every day doesn’t automatically give blacks the excuse to say the schools are at fault since other races attend the same schools. The general decline in the production of educated individuals can be attributed to the schools systems in general, from 1st grade thru the university system as they are all woke now and have been left leaning for decades.

    The political atmosphere also impacts what young adults choose to learn. They are told that finance is more important than engineering and since math is hard is a meme that reinforces their desire to do as little work for as much remuneration as possible, we end up with a nation of dolts that can use their smartphones but have no idea how they work.

    Age related IQ decline is a self inflicted wound in many if not most cases. People retire and then let their brains rot. After a life time of eating Twinkies, Doritos and guzzling Coca Cola, the amount of pollution in their systems has to have some effect. People who have taken care of themselves mentally and physically are productive into their 90’s.

    People of all levels of intelligence have need to be able to function in society, and not have their lives controlled and rights diminished by those with higher IQ.

    That’s a nice sentiment, but in actuality, the dimwitted in the society are being supported in every way by the more capable and with fewer and fewer capable people being created in the US, the future to sustain that scheme is in doubt. The low in IQ are partly responsible for their plight because they were slackers in school that paid more attention to sports than their lessons. Why sports are even allowed in a school setting is a mystery to me.

    At the end of the day, I don’t care what caused a person to be a welfare recipient or a criminal. All I care about is getting that leach off my back because I can’t correct for their bad life choices and I’m sick of paying for them.

    • Agree: Adam Smith, Rdm
    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Dave C.
    , @aleksander
    , @Sulu
  120. @Anonymous

    In my decades in the software development arena, I never encountered a single black software developer, not one. It’s also of note that women are rarely encountered and if they exist, they’re usually involved in the documentation or testing, not in the coding.

    As a software development manager, I never interviewed a single black applicant because there were none.

  121. @Z-man

    Jews are highly over-represented, but ……. I’m not too impressed by the entire IQ way of thinking. As I’ve commented elsewhere: Jews are, of course, over-represented in many fields, but so were, say, Italians in Florence from 1300-1600 (Dante, Brunelleschi, Michelangelo, Petrarch, Boccaccio, Machiavelli, Leonardo da Vinci, Galileo,…), or Germans from 1770-1830 (Hamann, Herder, Kant, Hegel, Euler, Goethe, Gauss, Mozart, Beethoven, Clausewitz, Scheele, Grimm brothers, Humboldt brothers,..) & later- which dwarfs all Jewish achievement put together.

    During some historical periods, some groups are high achievers. From ca. 1850-2000 Jews have been super-achievers; from 1750-1945, “Aryan” Germans had been hyper-achievers. What is more interesting about Jews is that they so easily dumped their middle Eastern way of life, which sustained them for 2000 years & so enthusiastically embraced European culture- something we don’t see among Pakistanis in Britain or Moroccans in France.

    And I won’t mention ancient Greeks, those mortal gods.

    Why some groups stick out in some important fields for some time? We don’t know.

    Blacks don’t give a hoot about IQ, they’d rather be rap celebrities.

    • Agree: TKK
    • Replies: @TKK
    , @Dumbo
  122. Smith says:

    If you have a high IQ but you don’t put it to use and contribute to society, it’s worthless.

    If you have a low IQ, but you still work and put it to use, it’s worthwhile.

  123. Avis says: • Website
    @Truth

    He also wasn’t debating anything, as neither were any of the hostile actors he was insulting.

    Still, it could be argued that he was “confessing” both to being utterly out of his depth in the DC swamp, and that he had absolutely no ability or intention of acting in the interests of those who voted for him beyond pissing off people they see as hostile to them, both of which were clearly the case.

  124. saggy says:

    A short but accurate summary of the race problem ….




    • LOL: mark green
  125. Anon[353] • Disclaimer says:
    @GMC

    IQ means nothing , if you don’t have a conscience , understand the difference between good and evil , conduct yourself with dignity,

    What a completely nonsensical comment. You must be an alien who dropped out of one of those flying saucers circling the earth. Landing on your head must have come hard no ?

    Get checked out Bro. The Doctors may find a new form of brain damage and call it GMC Derangement Syndrome.

    IQ means nothing , if you don’t have a conscience LOL

    • Replies: @GMC
  126. Leo Den says:
    @obwandiyag

    America is now infected with all the symptoms of an Empire near collapse – a tumble precipitated by America’s obsession with the needs of the racist Jewish state to reconfigure the Middle East to benefit the Apartheid country.

    In the process, the US got blindsided while China and Russia became powerhouses themselves, ready to knock the US Empire off its perch. Such happenstance is truly God’s doing to impede the Evil American Empire, as wagged by the Evil State of Israel, to become much worse than it already has.

    http://biblicisminstitute.wordpress.com/2014/08/05/israel-the-scourge-of-empires/

    • Replies: @Dog1 at icloud
  127. @RoatanBill

    What credentials/skills go into being a developer, and how did you select from the application candidates?

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  128. Anon[353] • Disclaimer says:

    Chinese are “smarter” because their kids are compelled to stay home and study
    Indians are “smarter” because their kids are compelled to stay home and study
    Other Asians are “smarter” because their kids are compelled to stay home and study
    Jews seem smarter because they are crooked and always looking for an angle to screw the other guy.
    Blacks are as dumb as shit

    Whites are behind the 8th ball because their kids fuck around with their school work and whites are generally reluctant to sell their mother’s skin for a few shekels.

    In spite of this whites rule ! A worthless parchment from a US Ivy League university is worth more to a greasy Coolie. They flock to the US and the Jews at the top Universities fleece them in typical fashion for that piece of paper.

    Its not that they are “smarter” than whites. Its that they study and regurgitate better. The day whites stop cocking around is the day people like Fred will be singing a different tune in Mexico. He needs to remember that it is not Chinese, Indians, Hispanics or Blacks that supply him , his Senorita and cucked daughter with their bread and butter.

  129. bj0311 says:
    @sally

    The environment has been changed yet the difference in so-called IQ is only marginally higher for American negros compared to Africans.

    • Replies: @sally
  130. TKK says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    There’s nothing like your mom’s drunk “companion” staggering down the aisle at your law school graduation!!!

    Ahhh…the memories.

  131. GMC says:
    @Anon

    Spoken by a true Asskinazi Jew ! You sound like Markass , the guy that works for DHS. Go back to your Government Cubic and F Off.

  132. @MichaelWme

    IQ scores are broken down into two sub-categories, verbal and spatial. Math is spatial. Jews have been measured as very strong in verbal but slightly below average in spatial intelligence. Asians the opposite, but to a lesser extent. IQ follows a bell curve so the closer to one side or the other your group’s avg. is, the larger your pool of exceptional individuals will be. Immigration is also selective, it’s much harder for poor (and ostensibly, less intelligent) people from any group to do, even to a country that accepts 3 million a year. One of the ways the US tries to maintain it’s dominance is by poaching smart, cosmopolitan and greedy people from poorer nations. It has largely given up on improving it’s native population.

    • Replies: @BlackFlag
  133. TKK says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    They *REALLY* want to be rappers. As orthopedic surgeon is to the Jewish mother, rapper is to the black mother.

    I have sat through many off the cuff cringe raps in the jail and some DOCs.

    I sit in hot
    Melting on my cot
    (beat box, heavy breathing)

    Man this SH*IIIIITTTT be jacked!!!!
    this charge be WHACK!!!

    My boo be crying
    But I be lying
    To get them thighs

    De’ my prize.

    Zero self awareness. Maximum grandiose behavior.

    Imagine if I told someone even 10 years ago that this SweatHog below would have promotional mega deals with Apple???

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    , @Truth
  134. KenH says:

    and that Mexicans and American blacks have mean IQs respectively of 87 and 85, essentially identical, yet the former operate telecommunications networks and other appurtenances of modernity while the latter show no capacity. The population of India is said to have a mean IQ of 81, which decreasingly seems to match reality on the ground.

    That’s because in Mexico 87 IQ people aren’t operating the telecommunications networks, flying commercial aircraft and other appurtenances of modernity. Mexicans with higher than 87 IQs are doing those tasks and those Mexicans usually have high percentages of European DNA as opposed to the Indian squat monster DNA that you see with most Mexican landscapers.

    India has a strata of its population with much higher IQs than 81. But some of them continue to emigrate to America causing a brain drain on the subcontinent.

  135. @Stan d Mute

    Where humans live in “peace and prosperity”, evolution either slows to a crawl or reverses itself. The nature of nature is conflict.

    That is a very astute and succinct observation, Stan. I concur.
    (as uncomfortable as the conflict can be at times)

    From your other comment:

    We live not under Paternalism. (I’ll just note here which parent most likely to let you touch the damn stove if you are so sure it’s not going to hurt)

    We live in the age of Maternalism..

    Agree again. But, I’m okay with it because the pendulum will do what it’s going to do. I’m at least intelligent enough to not fight physics.

  136. @TKK

    I could never understand why would anyone listen to rap.

    Blacks can make some good music, but these are old-timers (blues, gospel, swing, ..). Rap is mystery to me.

  137. theMann says:
    @RoatanBill

    I work at the physical end of the IT spectrum (by choice, as I loathe coding and have little patience for the “peripherals” of Networking, the 24/7 on call days, hysterical end users, etc.) and in a couple of decades I have seen a grand total of two Black IT Techs, both of whom were excellent. Maybe a dozen women, but quite a few Hispanics. Precisely zero Asians, but there just aren’t that many in my neck of the woods.

    My consistent experience is that only White and Hispanic males really do well with the occasionally physical nature of the job – laying cables, and more fun, troubleshooting cables, crawling in ducts or under desks, installing 300 computers at a time, in short, all of the physically dirty work of making your network work. My observation is that most Blacks, and Asians with over an 80 IQ, simply disdain physical work. Seriously, try getting an H1-B Hindu type to diagnose where a cable has failed, and snake a replacement, because that will never happen. (And I imagine in your line of work, you have to have a coterie of White overseers to correct the sloppy work of your H1-B’s….) At the same time, you have to have the emotional ability to put up with the never-ending Microsoft Circle Jerk, do very quick on the fly fixes of name-the-peripheral, deal with living electricity, and so forth, and most people REALLY don’t have the skill set for it.

    Practical Problem Solving 101, who passes that test?

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  138. Drew says:

    Posts on IQ are always fun because they assiduously ignore some fundamental truths about IQ. First, people don’t have IQs, they have brains. IQ is an attempt to measure the speed and/or precision of a human brain as it attempts to operate logically and rationally. IQ is a shorthand for function, not the function itself.

    Second, IQ tests are relative, not absolute. They are self-referential to its own mean. Thus, it is not true to say that someone is smart per SE, but rather that they are smarter than average.

    Finally, IQ tests are not always indicative of intelligence. This is to say, that an individual’s response to a test is certainly a function of intelligence AND a function of motivation. A smart person who doesn’t care about the results may not perform well. A less intelligent person who is extremely motivated to game a test may outperform his natural abilities. This isn’t necessarily a common problem, but is a problem nonetheless, and it’s difficult to tell how much the test measures raw intelligence, and how much it measures motivation.

    The conclusion to be drawn from this is that IQ isn’t as worthless as it’s detractors claim, but it’s also not as useful as proponents would claim. Basic IQ tests make lots of sense for college admissions and entry level jobs, since success is more contingent on intelligence and drive in those settings, but IQ isn’t generally useful for, say, high level technical jobs (track records of performance are better indicators) or, say, law enforcement policy (since it would be infeasible to alter criminals’ DNA to have smart genes and thus prevent crime). IQ tests are very useful in certain, limited contexts, but useless broadly.

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  139. @Uncle Sam

    Actually- and contrary to most people had written here – there is no proof that Ashkenazi Jews have significantly higher IQ. Those who claim that usually refer to 2-3 tests conducted more than a half century ago under suspicious circumstances, and not repeated in the past 50 or so years.

    There is a myth that east European Jews are smarter than their southern European cousins (Sephardim) or middle-Eastern (Mizrahim)- but there is no proof in that contention. Simply, eastern Jews showed their talents during flowering of German, Russian and American cultures. Historically, Sephardi & Mizrahim were the creative & smart ones (Maimonides, Spinoza, Joseph Karo, Ibn Gibriol,..), while Ashkenazim were considered something like annoying dumb cousins.

    As for Israel, a better source is PISA (math, science, language) testing. These are world and Israeli results (for those who care about such things):

    For Israel:https://www.timesofisrael.com/global-test-widest-educational-gap-between-hebrew-arabic-speaking-israeli-kids/

    In the PISA tests, Hebrew speakers scored 506 points in reading skills, the same as the previous assessment. However, Arabic speakers scored just 362 points, a drop of 29 points.
    The OECD average is 487 points, with the overall Israeli average at 470 points.

    In mathematics, Hebrew speakers remained at 490 points but Arabic speakers scored 379, a drop of 12 points. The OECD average is 489, with Israel’s average at 463, down seven points.

    Finally, in the sciences, Hebrew-speaking Israeli students remained at 491 points, while Arabic-speaking students dropped 26 points to 375. The OECD average is 489 points and Israel’s average is 462, down five points since 2015.

  140. @Drew

    Basic IQ tests make lots of sense for college admissions and entry level jobs, since success is more contingent on intelligence and drive in those settings, but IQ isn’t generally useful for, say, high level technical jobs (track records of performance are better indicators) or, say, law enforcement policy (since it would be infeasible to alter criminals’ DNA to have smart genes and thus prevent crime). IQ tests are very useful in certain, limited contexts, but useless broadly.

    I would go even further in IQ skepticism (although I agree with what is written).

    It all boils down to unreliability of psychometry as such. And I’m not talking about geniuses, bursts of creativity & similar stuff.

    Simply, what those tests should measure is talent, gift, capability for some area. If limited to such, rather narrow field, psychometry tests could work very well.They could show that some people are gifted for numbers, or for engineering tasks, good with words, or good in space orientation etc.

    But it is absurd to derive (I know the argument of factor analysis, but it is bollocks) that some magical number, IQ, as the final product which will show a person’s success in life in general. What is “success”? How can we measure capability of an individual to attain”success” in a given field?

    There are many problems with IQ ideology which remain insurmountable.

    We all use the word “intelligence” & even if we look at psychology dictionaries & agree with it, nonetheless the concept remains vague. Probably there are a few types of intelligence: verbal, arithmetic, geometrical & maybe a few others. Why would we lump these types of intelligence together is beyond my comprehension.

    As for musical ability, various types of talents in other fields…better not call this “intelligence” (social “intelligence, emotional “intelligence”,..). This is a misuse of the word. Ability, talent, whatever…

    Intelligence, as defined by textbooks, is by no means as important & decisive in modern societies as IQ religionists would like us to believe. More, I would rather call it TQ (talent quotient) or CQ (capability quotient), than IQ. There are a few CQ, we all know this:

    * CQ for something like mathematics
    * CQ for abstract thinking in words (not eloquence)
    * CQ for ….

    In short, old “multiple intelligences” theory was onto something, although not in the old, dogmatic way. How many capabilities are to be measured- I’d leave it to psychometricians as long as they follow common sense. I’d say 5-10. And those, say, 8 types of giftedness cannot be, reasonably, manipulated to give a single figure..

    To “extract” one figure from all those variegated talents is absurd (I don’t buy the factor analysis argument). If one could, say, try to assess AQ (artistic quotient) from areas of literary writing, music, painting, dance, … for a guy who is a genius painter, but abysmally bad in dancing, music,…- we would get a mediocre AQ, a figure which doesn’t tell us anything. The guy is a genius in one area & moron in others.

    Then, there remains the big, big elephant of creativity. Sorry, but creativity is something different & cannot be reduced to any psycho test; it, at its peaks, comes in flashes including intuition, dreaming, imagination,…

    Creativity is not, as yet, described or classified satisfactorily. For instance, invention is somehow connected to creativity, but these terms are not identical.

    Then, there are different types of creativity: “flash” type of creativity, which is “inspiration”, like in Haiku or Zen painting, so different from long, “high structural” creativity, a good example being Michelangelo’s Sistine Chapel.

    Perhaps in some future we will be able to ascertain, experimentally, through neuro-imagining, neurophysiology, brain investigation …. some new aspects & dimensions of human cognition and behavior (emotion, impulse control, ethical development,..) and intuition and imagination and …

    Until then, IQ “wars” are like masturbation compared to real sex.

    And it is even more absurd to try it with human collectives.

    We all see with our own eyes what different human collectives are capable of, and it is not some magical number that will give us varieties of human accomplishment & functionality of human collectives, given the historical moment, ideas, manners, environment, … and even more- hope, self-reliance, adaptability, stubbornness, morals.

  141. Dumbo says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    What is more interesting about Jews is that they so easily dumped their middle Eastern way of life, which sustained them for 2000 years & so enthusiastically embraced European culture

    Hmm… Not really… They never had a “Middle Eastern” culture to begin with (what was the “Middle Eastern culture” in their shtetls in Poland? Rabbinical Talmudic culture?

    But they also didn’t “enthusiastically embraced European culture”, not all of them at any rate. Of course it went both ways, as Europeans kept them in ghettos, but for a reason, as many didn’t really assimilate (some did, especially in the 19th century).

    Also, they didn’t really change all that much… They were mostly into commerce and usury, and, surprise surprise, they are still into commerce and usury (Wall Street, Banking, etc).

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    , @gotmituns
  142. @Happy Tapir

    Communicating with a computer requires the use of language. I’ve written code in 22 computer languages at last count. Having a handle on the various languages available, when to use them and when not to use them is important. Once you know one language fairly well, learning the next one is typically easy as they almost all operate on the same set of logical functions. The syntax is different, the verbs may be different, but their functions are largely the same set from one language to the next.

    Not everyone can mentally function at the lowest levels of assembly language or actual machine code and today, those skills are no longer as needed as they were in decades past. People that work on compilers, firmware in chips and crucial operating system functions still need those skills, however.

    One also has to have a native logic ability. Not everyone can code well because they lack the step by step ability to construct a plan of action in exquisite detail. Too many people are big picture and have no idea how to navigate the details involved. Computers do what they are told via software and if you tell them to do stupid things they will comply at lightning speed.

    It’s amazing how illogical most people are when handed a limited instruction set and asked to complete a simple task. I had a friend that wanted to learn to code so I spent some time with him until he came to the conclusion he wasn’t cut out for it, a conclusion I already had just by knowing him. He realized his inbuilt limitation when I gave him the task to have a fictional robot sitting in a chair touch the wall on the other side of the room and return to the original seated position. With a limited set of instructions the robot could understand, like get up, sit down, move forward, etc, my friend couldn’t build the sequence of events to accomplish the task and failed repeatedly. He wasn’t prepared to work at such a low level of instructions that he would be asked to provide as a neophyte coder.

    Sizing up a candidate was largely done by estimating the complexity of systems they’ve been involved in and in what capacity. I should preface this by saying that I managed people that worked on operating system internals and adjunct system like disk drive management, telecommunications subsystems and things an average end user would never even know existed. Candidates would self select by not applying for this type of work because it’s demanding, leaving those that did apply confident in their abilities. Just having the nerve to apply was a good sign.

    How many languages they felt they were fluent in, what operating systems platforms and API sets they’ve used, how long they’ve been at it and their general nurdiness as detail junkies and relentless bug zappers rounded out the picture. The skills for an operating systems developer, an applications developer, a web developers, etc have logical thinking in common. The tools they use can sometimes be vastly different and an expert in one area can be near ignorant in another.

    • Thanks: Happy Tapir
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    , @Happy Tapir
  143. @Bardon Kaldian

    Heh,

    your reading comprehension is extremely limited… Most recent math olympiads (say, last 20 years) are completely dominated by China. Your backward country, Croatia, has never made it to the top 5 throughout the history of the competition. It’s actually quite hard to win it all; Bulgaria, one of your examples of “backward” country, has only won it once, barely. Most wins are from Russia and China, way ahead of the rest, and shows that solid primary/secondary education complemented with a bit of early higher education (say, bachelor level maths, mainly parts of analysis) is a must.

    As a Bulgarian and a math competition participant, I never made it to the top 6 (+2) cohort selected for math olympiads, was hovering around 20th place, and ended up trained for a month in the extended team consisting of the top 25 or so pupils across all math schools in Bulgaria. This experience and the fact that I went to the top math department in Bulgaria for my undergrad, allowed me much later in life to study at UC Berkeley in the stat department (biostat PhD).

  144. STRYKER’S QUESTIONS MUST BE ANSWERED

    1. Ashkenazi Jews & Han Chinese do not come from harsh cold climates. They come from the Mediterranean basin & semi-tropical South China. So Fred Reed defeats his own argument. For that matter, Rome & Greece were Empires long before Nordic countries.

    2. Fred Reed is a French Huguenot & this group settled in Virginia (Brad Dourif the actor is one of the best known) & are known for their intelligence while the Scots & Irish of the region are known for generational poverty & squalor but Scotland is further North than France & has a harsher climate.

    3. South Indians are known for their intelligence & regard North Indians as being dim. The smartest Indians, the Tamil, are from the warmest part of India.

    Explain this argument.

  145. @Dumbo

    They lived almost exactly as their cousins in Iraq or Iran (their local laws, clothing, Hebrew in liturgy and literature, dietary laws, immersion of their traditional religious culture, judaized local languages…).

    Then, during the 2nd half of the the 19th C, assimilated Jews -in Europe – dumped all this: dresses, fashion, language(s), religious learning, adopted European languages …and became lawyers, professors, scholars, ..

    200 -300 years ago, they wouldn’t even think of going to European universities, nor about studying exact sciences.

  146. Dave C. says:
    @RoatanBill

    Agreed, no excuses for criminality. But we’ve had over two generations now growing up in crappy Democrat-run urban schools, without fathers, in gangster culture. That produces a lot of criminals. The same thing is happening to young illegal alien Hispanics from broken families in many Democrat cities. MS-13 is as bad as they come. From an individual perspective, any rational person will now move out of Democrat-run cities and states to avoid those criminals, and have personal protection. But we should also look at the big picture.

    The point that Sowell and others make is that the situation we find ourselves in now is largely the result of Democrat leftist social policies starting all the way back to the 1930s, but kicking into high gear with Johnson’s Great Society. Senator Daniel Moynihan predicted what was going to happen when he wrote, “The Negro Family: The Case For National Action” in 1965, but the other Democrats ignored him. If you create incentives for single-mother families, are soft on crime, and wreck the school system, you get what we have now. Sowell’s research shows that black families, culture, and educational success were very different in the past. His essay “Black Rednecks and White Liberals” (contained in the book of the same title) documents where the post-1950’s black “gangsta” culture came from. Sowell is now age 90 and remembers quite well. (By the way, he is black, Marine vet, Harvard, Columbia, University of Chicago Phd.) Obviously, most of us alive don’t remember those earlier times, but I have an aunt in her 90s that used to ride the buses alone in Chicago at all hours (including through parts of the black South Side at night) with no problem at all. Of course Chicago had at least 2000 more policemen back then too, who actually enforced the law. No more.

    I’ve met successful blacks who are deeply embarrassed by the situation, but they feel pressured to make excuses in the cause of racial solidarity. Of course Chris Rock’s famous monologue “Blacks versus n*ggas” tells the story.

    Couple more notes:

    If we use similar reasoning, then east Asians as a group can have the same complaint about Caucasians as a group. The Justice Department’s Bureau of Justice Statistics reports show that Asians are far less likely to be involved in violent crime than Caucasians (it looks like they may also include south Asians such as Indians in the group). If you can have a candid conversation with a Chinese or Japanese person, they will tell you a lot about their feelings about “whites” – including about appearance. This is one of the reasons that the Communist Chinese feel morally superior to the United States, and want to take over the U.S. position of world leader. They are well on their way. Of course Asians have far more concerns about black criminality, but if they are honest with you, they will go on about the educational, cultural, religious, and general moral rot in a large segment of U.S. white society today. Most Asians want their children to marry within their ethnic group (but of course can’t say so to woke leftists.) Imagine how Asians feel now that they are being particularly excluded in college admissions by leftists in favor of blacks and Hispanics with far lower test scores.

    I’ve also met wealthy white Hispanic immigrants from South America who think it is amusing that they are considred a preferential “protected class” in the U.S. for school admissions and prominent jobs (such as Justice Sonia Sotomayor, or former Secretary of Transportation Frederico [formerly Fred] Pena – looks like Jack Lord). They also laugh at the leftist Democrat’s use of “LatinX.”

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  147. @theMann

    I left the mainframe software development world shortly after I bought a low serial number IBM PC (for a small fortune) with a tape drive, 64K of memory, primitive DOS operating system and a BASIC translator. Floppy disk drives had yet to be invented and hard disks were years away.

    I immediately started writing in BASIC, and sold a product that would take translator basic source code, and compress it into unreadable gibberish that would speed up its execution by, in some case, half the time. The end users of an accounting system, Certiflex, were my main purchasers as what would take all day in some cases would be completed in a few hours and because the code was smaller avoided many memory exhaustion failures that would require a complete rerun. End users were thrilled.

    As an EE, I then got into the hardware and owned a computer center building 3COM Ethershare and Novell network servers and custom end user work stations mostly for CAD and high demand applications. We, of course, were called upon to install the cabling (ARCNET, Novell Star topology, Ethernet) and make all the printers and computers work as expected. I had some employees that could debug simple things, but eventually I’d have to show up for anything serious regarding the hardware and all but the simplest software issues. That’s when I learned to hate Windows, the absolute worst operating system I have ever encountered and still is.

    I personally hand built several thousand computers using the best components available. Everything from a 140 lb server with redundant raid arrays and power supplies to simple word processing boxes. We were the only site in the country for a while that were using PRIAM disk drives with multiple controllers that would double the nominal disk capacity of the unit. We were grandfathered into Novell’s Gold authorization and were handed Microsoft Windows authorization without ever asking for it.

    We installed Windows and Novell servers till Linux came along. Then we converted almost our entire client base to Linux servers, starting with Caldera Linux run by Ray Norda, formerly with Novell.

    Eventually I quit the hardware side and concentrated on software development again. I produced a firewall, an anti SPAM app that ran at the server level with hooks into the SMTP server, a WEB surfing spy application that would tell management where people attempted to go but were blocked by my software and certain specific industry utilities. Then 911 happened and it was time to leave.

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  148. Realist says:
    @RoatanBill

    Computers do what they are told via software and if you tell them to do stupid things they will comply at lightning speed.

    LOL, so true.

    Some people tell computers to do stupid things through ignorance…others through intent.

  149. @Dave C.

    You are giving the republicans a pass. They are every bit as slimy and complicit in what’s happened in the last 50 years. They are opposition in name only. The general atmosphere and environment that people find themselves in does indeed have an impact on how they evolve as specific personalities. The liberal left initiated all the stupid ideas the country is saddled with, but they were ably assisted by the lack of any resistance from the non left.

    As an expat, I looked a the US situation right after 911 and decided the place was going to become more of a police state than it already was and from my current perspective I was right. There is no place in the US to escape the Federal tyranny. Maybe, just maybe, some state will decide to stand up to the Feds and tell them to pound sand, but that hasn’t been done since 911 and I see no immediate indication for any serious dispute between DC and the states.

    The dissolution of the Federal United States of America is the only long term solution. It should disappear like a bad smell the way the USSR vanished, but I fear it would lead to violence. With 50 new countries, 50 ideas on how to govern and competition between them for businesses, jobs and taxpayers, the monopoly dictates keeping the entire country in subjugation would end.

    Tinkering around the edges with regards to the education system, the discriminatory civil rights laws specifically designed to hobble white people, the MIC and their absurd spending, maiming and death culture, the corporatocracy that own the political class, the finance mafia that can out spend everyone else to get what they want, etc, all depend on a control point and that point is the Federal Government.

    End The Fed (eral Government)

  150. @WorkingClass

    All who are directly involved in “gain of fuction” research are almost certainly high IQ individuals
    So is intelligence just an ability for ‘Gain of Materialistic Wealth’ ability? Or does the I.Q test incorporate any concept of morality?
    Shouldn’t an I.Q test include another test that reveals psychopaths?
    Half of our politicians, lawyers, military and police would be disqualified.
    This test should be mandatory and is more important.

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  151. PolarBear says:

    Blacks should be bred with Jews. All Blacks leaving Africa must go to Israel. The Blackest person in the room should be a Jew. A high IQ Jew and low IQ Black balance eachother out, killing two shitbirds with one stone. Jew media presents Blacks as Gods gift to Whites. Let Jews reap what they sow.

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  152. Jiminy says:
    @RoatanBill

    Lately there has been a good show on tv following a group of young autistic people trying to enter the job market. Unfortunately alot of those people who are on the spectrum are just to intelligent for their own good. So many aspects of their life suffers because of it. One chap went to work for a software development company, sitting at the monitor for hours just looking for mistakes in the code. The boss was astounded at the speed at which he could pick up the mistakes, and basically wondered where this guy had been hiding all of his life.

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  153. @RoatanBill

    “What you cannot do, somebody else is getting paid to do.”

    Life is an IQ test. Blacks want to explain it all away as racism, with their Jewish enablers leading the way, but the breed doesn’t match up well with White civilization. It just doesn’t.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  154. Rooster11 says:
    @obwandiyag

    That’s a pretty uppity statement. You people just don’t get it.

    • Replies: @acementhead
  155. @Jiminy

    Why is being really good at what you do some kind of negative where people assume you’re autistic? This is a recent development where the smart people are denigrated by calling them names but with the excuse that it’s a medical condition so to give them a social pass on accountability.

    I was hired by a mainframe software company as a programmer. Because I knew how to code in many languages, I got the job of finding bugs in the code of several of the company’s products written in Cobol, Fortran, 360/370 assembler, PL-1, JCL, etc. I cleaned up so many bugs, some years old, that when I attended the company’s next end user meeting I got a standing ovation from hundreds in the audience that appreciated my work. Today, I’d be some mental freak but with a socially acceptable label of being on the spectrum.

    It’s the same with kids in school that get made fun of by the dolts because they’re good at math and science. Just because there are more idiots in the population than smart people does not give them the right to label the smart ones as having some mental condition. It’s the stupid ones that have the mental condition, namely being stupid.

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  156. @obwandiyag

    IQ is the faculty for the brain to sustain boring tasks without giving up for some gratification. These tasks may on the other hand be menial as well as intellectual, hence the even more positive incidence of IQ on the industrial productivity of peoples.

  157. @PolarBear

    There are Black Hebrews indeed. However fictional that entity is, the result is positive both for Blacks and for Hebrews.

  158. @aleksander

    I agree, and is why whites need to organize a nationwide strike for as long as it takes to cancel the Fed Gov entirely or at a minimum neuter all their bullshit laws and have the states recognize their power, Supreme Court or no Supreme Court. If states realize that they now have to compete with other states for being perceived as the best place to live and work, then change will happen. As long as the Fed Gov monopoly crushes innovation there can be no change and it’s a slide into one hell of a dystopian future.

    As it stands, you can flush what’s left of the Constitution and all its bogus protections down the drain because none of it works as originally intended.

    • Replies: @sulu
  159. @Michelle

    “But, as to math, my Chinese born co-worker tutors immigrant students in math, and he says, it is much easier to teach math in Cantonese than it is in English.”

    And, according to Germans, Shakespeare is much better in the original German.

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    , @Michelle
    , @turtle
  160. Druid55 says:
    @obwandiyag

    The pot calling the kettle black

  161. @RoatanBill

    You’re right, I can’t see the said group desiring to or having the ability to do any of that!

  162. Since you mention dogs, it may be worth noting that breeding for intelligence in dogs past a certain point inevitably ultimately results in offspring with debilitating anxiety and neurological conditions, and who frequently will not reproduce and rear offspring without considerable outside assistance.

    One could tentatively conclude that any given species has a threshold, past which intelligence is likely to become counterproductive to the healthy maintenance of the species.

    No responsible breeder will intentionally pursue breeding that produces increasingly unhealthy offspring. However, they have historically been vastly outnumbered by the sheer number of short-sighted and opportunistic breeders who breed for specific desired traits (usually for financial gain or a narrow devotion to visual ‘breed standards’).

    Ironically, breeding for aggression almost always produces physically robust individuals who are successfully used as supplementary breeding stock to counter the trend of genetic defects in other breed lines. Up to a point, mating aggressive individuals proceeds without assistance, but past that point the individuals will tend to become so aggressive that they’ll be prohibitively hostile to individuals of the opposite sex and even to immature offspring.

    Unassisted, dogs will not self-sort for either trait, but will generally prefer healthy and aggressive social dogs to intelligent and anxious individuals. Within a few generations, feral dogs inevitably revert to a type, with a set of characteristics that is surprisingly consistent and recognizable despite vast differences in location and the initial genetic traits of the ‘starter’ individuals.

    Given sufficient resources, these naturally self-sustaining communities will consistently produce more healthy and social dogs whose only (negative?) characteristic is a heightened level of distrust for outsiders. When resources become more scarce, the community invariably experiences increased disease, miscarriage, neonatal cannibalism and other markedly antisocial behaviors.

    Oddly enough, external (‘artificial’) supplementation of resources does not consistently reverse these trends as might be expected. It may be only speculation to conclude that a community is somehow aware that the additional resources being provided are less dependable than those which naturally occur. Still, the consistent difference in the general level of health and internal social stability between ‘dependent’ and independent feral communities is striking, and the dependent communities tend to have more of the unhealthy and antisocial traits seen in domesticated dogs.

    When it comes to making comparisons across species, I personally favor the “differences in degree, not of kind” theory, but feel free to draw your own conclusions.

    • Replies: @turtle
  163. @idealogus

    The over-evaluation of Jewish Ashkenazi IQ (mark the qualification : Ashkenazi ; in reality whether a Jew is 100% Ashkenazi or not is a matter of extreme disputation, even more than the fact of being Jewish or not) mostly stems from an excess of caution on the part of IQ analysts (such as Eysenck and Rushton) who knew perfectly well the extreme danger of being outrightly dismissed and cancelled as antisemites as soon as they howsoever little diverged from the cultural centre-left mainstream in social sciences : they too had to cuck to Zionism to have their message heard somewhat (it didn’t work however : to be respected by Jews you have to be dishonest first towards your own kind and towards truth, beauty and goodness which are so many pagan idols to fell). They all had to reassure the Jews the latter would be classified as even more legitimized in their privileges if they would open their minds to genetics. So they cherry-picked their figures about Jews with utmost care. In particular they chose samples stemming from regions of Europe where all the Jews are undoubtably ashkenazi, which is not the case as regards many British Jews, Dutch and French who before quite recent immigration from Eastern Europe were rather of Portuguese Sephardic descent in majority. But the thing is that if Lithuanian Jews are about 115 that is the case also for Lithuanian non-Jews of urban origin. In reality it can be said that the mean Jewish IQ from any country is the same as that of the urban population of that country in general, or even somewhat lower. Brooklyn Jews are about 95, so also as the Israeli Ashkenazis (Israeli Sephardic are about 92).

  164. The concept of IQ seemingly is mixed with intelligence levels but actual IQ testing, at least the ones I have been exposed to, are actually reflections of knowledge.

    I believe Fred would have had a better argument if he instead discussed aptitude testing, which reflects the capabilities of an individual.

    If, as I have said, IQ reflects mostly knowledge, than the disparate scores that one sees between Blacks and Whites, are based on subjective constructs, considering that genetics has little to do with the knowledge that one obtains, in that the acquisition of knowledge is also something that people need access to.

    Aptitude on the other hand, only looks for capability. If we were to see what the Black Community’s capabilities are we would also have to look at relevance between Black and Whites to understand this.

    For example, it has been found through studies recently that Blacks have contributed far more to the studies of Humanities than Whites have in the past 50 years or so. This is also while Whites have increasingly turned their focus on to business and finance, two areas that are not what one would call rocket science. In fact, back in the 1960s people who majored in “business” degrees were seen as losers. This was because most Whites pursued scientific and engineering studies at that time.

    Another misinterpretation has been the belief that Jews are much smarter than most Whites in general. And yet how is this measured. Lets look at the number of Jews who have won distinction in the field of mathematics… Since 1936 (based on this link… http://www.jinfo.org/Fields_Mathematics.html) only 15 Jews or people of Jewish extraction have won such distinction.

    That is not many people to tout for this ethnic group…

    But look at how many Blacks have distinguished themselves in mathematics since the 1970s… http://math.buffalo.edu/mad/madgreatest.html

    Comparing the two lists in the field of mathematics appears to show that Blacks appear to have the edge in general.

    Sort of upends all this nonsense regarding which group is smarter.

    True, some of it may come down to genetics but from this small sampling alone, the case can be more easily made in that it is what people are exposed to in terms of the acquisition of knowledge and not so much how they are born…

  165. @Anita Patel

    It indicates that Asians are smart enough to not allow their kids to hang out with black hoodrats, white meth heads, Wetbacks and feathered Indians.

  166. chrimony says:
    @WorkingClass

    Can a high IQ person be woke? If so, what good is intelligence?

    There’s a distinction between wisdom and intelligence. Intelligent people can act foolishly. But you need intelligent people to build modern civilization. Do you think the computer you’re typing your comments on was invented by stupid people, or people of average intelligence? Just look at all the modern benefits around you that you take for granted.

  167. Truth says:
    @TKK

    That was really good bro. Your lyrics could get you a contract right now.

    It’s about time you and other honkees started learning to make good music.

    https://worldstar.com/video.php?v=wshhmF5eo2htFfHbybT8

  168. Mulegino1 says:

    White European society seems to accept the apparent superiority of Jews…

    The Jews- as a collective- are certainly not more intelligent or creative than their European Christian competitors. They simply excel at the criminality and nepotistic ethnic narcissism required to successfully navigate the urbanity of Guenon’s reign of quantity, a.k.a. the age of money.

    The characteristic “intelligence” so called intelligence is the cleverness of the huckster, the loan shark and the pimp, not the deep thought and love of truth of the philosopher or divine, or the sublimity and love of beauty and sublimity evinced by the great composer or architect.

    The Jews who do excel in the higher endeavors to some degree in these fields do so through imitativeness, not innovation. The Jews have never really had a high culture or civilization of their own.

    By contrast, East Asians have one of the oldest high cultural and civilizational legacies in history.

  169. Another and desperate attempt to deny the existence of race is to point out that the DNA of humans and chimpanzees is 98.5 percent identical

    I’m not sure what defines a race, but even tiny percentage differences between populations can translate to huge numbers of divergent mutations.

    For example, the human genome contains about 6.3 Gbp (Gbp=billion base pairs). Modern humans are about 99.7 percent identical to Neanderthals (who, incidentally, are thought to have had slightly larger brains). As a result, modern humans differ from Neanderthals by about 19 million mutations (i.e. 6.3 billion times .003).

    It may be worth pointing out that humans and Neanderthals are just at the threshold of being considered different species see as determined by Wright’s fixation index . .

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_genetic_variation

    That being said, I don’t know where this Darwinian argument on intelligence leads. Every time humans have acquired a new technology, they have used it either to exploit their environment or each other. A little known example is the acquisition of the horse by native American tribes, which led to the decimation of the buffalo herds

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/06/09/what-role-did-native-americans-and-horses-play-in-the-decline-of-bison/

    The problem I see with these arguments is that humans can define their own fitness criteria, while animals simply respond to their environments. My 2 cents.

  170. johnm33 says:

    The world stats indicate that both consanguinity and early motherhood impact IQ, also there’s a report that indicates that mixed children of white mothers score higher than mixed children with white fathers. That suggests that some factor is inherited from the mother, since her ‘eggs’ were all made whilst she was a small embryo then it should be some feature of her mothers life choices that’s being expressed, the most likely, it seems to me, is late onset motherhood.
    So if you want to be intelligent make sure your maternal grandmother doesn’t have kids till she’s maybe 25, and definitely not with a relative of any kind, would be my guess do stats exist that could falsify this?

  171. gotmituns says:
    @Dumbo

    as Europeans kept them in ghettos,
    ——————————————–
    The ghettos were built to protect the jews from the ignorant peasantry they had swindled. Once the peasants realized they’d been swindled, they went on a rampage and killed the jews – thus the ghettos.

  172. @restless94110

    I’d estimate Fred to be, or have been, about 115.

    • Replies: @restless94110
  173. @Uncle Sam

    The primary source of the 115 IQ claim for Jews is a 1957 study by Boris Levinson entitled “The Intelligence of Applicants for Admission to Jewish Day Schools” published in Jewish Social Studies,Vol. 19, No. 3/4 (Jul. – Oct., 1957), pp. 129-140. In the study, which reported a 114.88 mean IQ for the 2083 students sampled, the author notes its intrinsic limitations.

    This study is limited to applicants for Day Schools adhering to the principles of the National Commission for Yeshiva Education. This sampling does not claim to represent the entire Jewish school population or even those children attending yeshiva Day Schools with a different educational emphasis. The students sampled only represent 38% of the roughly 5500 students in the schools.

    Therefore, the high IQ claim is only for a small subset of Ashkenazi Jews, not the entire population.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  174. @MichaelWme

    Actually, Gopal Goel is of Indian, i.e., south asian descent, but your point is well taken, nonetheless.

    • Replies: @rec1man
  175. @DocDictum

    They have not excelled in music. Their music is primitive and repetitious although certainly rhythmic as exemplified by Blues which represents their only contribution (don’t start me on (c)rap ‘music’). Classical European music is a totally different cosmos. Individually blacks will be found playing bass or drums, seldom complex instruments like piano.

  176. Alfa158 says:
    @Joe Paluka

    https://archive.org/details/beethovensletter01beet/page/116/mode/2up

    I’m often amazed at the myths people believe. I think a lot of it stems from some factoids that may be false but nevertheless sound really cool, like
    “Did you know humans only use 8% of their brains! Just think what we could do if we could harness 100%!”
    “Einstein was actually kicked out of school because he failed his math courses!”
    “ If we had the same muscles as ants we could lift 100 times our own body weight!”
    Etc.

  177. @WorkingClass

    One of the highest IQ’s & learned individuals who ever existed William James Sidis was a avowed commie sympathizer socialist lunatic.

    • Replies: @Sulu
    , @Dave Bowman
  178. @idealogus

    “On the other hand, I read that the Israeli army gives tests to recruits and the result was less than 100.”

    As with basically all peoples and nations the world over, the really smart (and rich) Jews find a way to get out of service……

  179. Sulu says:
    @RoatanBill

    Why sports are even allowed in a school setting is a mystery to me.

    I agree with your essay but in answer to the above question, sports, unfortunately, does provide some income for Universities. Or as one of my old Geology Professors put it, “It’s easier to get someone to pay to watch a student catch a football than it is to get them to pay to watch a student solve a calculus problem.”

    Sulu

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  180. Ron Unz says:
    @cylindrical crown

    The primary source of the 115 IQ claim for Jews is a 1957 study by Boris Levinson entitled “The Intelligence of Applicants for Admission to Jewish Day Schools” published in Jewish Social Studies,Vol. 19, No. 3/4 (Jul. – Oct., 1957), pp. 129-140. In the study, which reported a 114.88 mean IQ for the 2083 students sampled, the author notes its intrinsic limitations.

    I happened to glance at this thread, and noticed the discussion of Jewish IQs, including the very widely-reported “urban myth” of a mean IQ of 115.

    The most comprehensive collection of Jewish IQ results in America was provided in Richard Lynn’s 2011 book on Jews, which contains a table listing 32 samples from the last hundred years or so. It’s available on this website at this link:

    https://www.unz.com/book/richard_lynn__the-chosen-people/#t_141

    Over the last half-century, the mean American Jewish IQ has generally been around 110-112, but in one of my Race/IQ columns of 2012, I noted some very interesting aspects of those results, which Lynn himself had missed:

    On pp. 273-279, Lynn performed an exhaustive literature search for all Jewish IQ studies in America, and presented the 32 examples he found, ranging in date from 1920 to the present day. He then noted the intriguing fact that Jewish IQs had substantially risen relative to white gentile scores during the course of the 20th century. Jewish IQ had averaged 101.5 in the first 14 studies from 1920-1937, then 107 in the nine studies from 1944-1960, and finally 111 in the last nine studies from 1970-2008. All these results had been separately normed against a fixed IQ of 100 for the average white population.

    A relative rise of 10 IQ points over just eighty-odd years in America seems unlikely to have any biological or genetic explanation, so it must be cultural or socio-economic in origin, hence an example of what I call the “Super-Flynn Effect.” Presumably, the underlying factors are somewhat similar to those which produced Ireland’s rise of 13 IQ points in the three decades after 1972, or the 15-20 point relative rise in the very low 1920s IQs of Greek, Italian, and Slav immigrants to America, or the recent rise in Mexican-American IQs.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/raceiq-super-flynn-effects-in-germans-jews-and-hispanics/

    • Thanks: gar manarnar
  181. @Truth

    “And you know so many Americans who have been “forced” to live places, I’m sure.”

    Truth,
    and you would be correct. A person of limited means, not having the wherewithal to move, is then forced to remain in situ.

    • Replies: @Truth
  182. @RoatanBill

    Congratulations. Sounds coherent.

  183. @Sulu

    If it’s for the money, then I suggest the universities open up whore houses with a liquor bar attached.

    I see absolutely no benefit for grade school and high schools students to be pushed into gym or other non cerebral activities as they provide the patina of education for something that clearly isn’t. It’s an outright lie to claim that playing ball, climbing ropes, running or the myriad of other physical activities has anything at all to do with educating the youth of the country. It provides the initial excuse for the dolts in the black community and the white trash that yearn to become ball players as opposed to getting an education that might someday extricate them from the cycle of poverty and violence.

    • Replies: @Ktulu
    , @Jim Bob Lassiter
    , @Sulu
  184. Sulu says:
    @RoatanBill

    In my decades in the software development arena, I never encountered a single black software developer, not one. It’s also of note that women are rarely encountered and if they exist, they’re usually involved in the documentation or testing, not in the coding.

    Kind of letting the cat out of the bag with that little fact. He he

    I’m a White American and was an active scuba diver for 18 years and lived at a dive community in the Philippines. Can you guess how many black scuba divers I met in 18 years? None. Not one!

    And the group that would routinely get bent seemed to be the Chinese. I think it was a face saving thing but some of them didn’t want to be seen as beginners. So they would show up at the dive shop with new gear and no training and claim to be experienced divers. The Philippines was notoriously lax at checking to see if you had a PADI card. They just wanted the money. So the dumb Chinese fucks would go diving without a shred of experience and if they didn’t get bent it was just luck. My neighbor, a hell of a nice German instructor, saw one of them far below him acting weird because of the narcs. He went way deep to get him only to see the guy was near 200ft with about 10bar in his tank. Unbelievable! The German risked his own life by bringing him up to the surface without any deco stop. The only thing the Chinese guy said was, “thanks.” My German friend told me he would never do it again.

    Sulu

  185. To successfully breed for intelligence, the large enough, stable (so “no” to excessive social mobility cancelling small towns) population must exist. It is possible that the overpopulated Galizia with its multitude of small towns, each with its own rabbi and its own mini-hierarchy, was such a ground.

    The business analogy: the new industry, for example, software, can be developed only if there is a large enough community of users.

    The Sephardi/Phoenician strategy of settling almost exclusively in large cities (Amsterdam, Venice, Livorno, Thessaloniki, Smyrna, Aleppo, London), nodes of world trade, seems to have decreased the number of stable breeding pools, with just a few large vertical hierarchies (organized with the help of consanguinity, which adds additional IQ decreasing factor), instead of horizontal hierarchies of Galizia, Lithuania or Central Poland.

    As for Germans, the entire Royal Prussia province of Kingdom of Poland had a privilege of non tolerating Jews (de non tolerandis Judaeis). Be as it may, it did not generate an excessive show of intelligence, except Jan Heweliusz and Arthur Schopenhauer (both of Danzig).
    But it is noteworthy that Germans wanted to be judenfrei already in the bygone past, which points to some archaic enmity.

    Anyway, quite a few eminent members of Lvov/ Lemberg mathematic school (which existed just before the era of Fields medals) were Jews, e.g. Hugo Steinhaus (from Jasło) and Stanislaw Ulam (from Lvov/Lemberg). On the other hand, it is hard to find a famous Sephardi or amMitzrahi mathematician at all, not even mentioning a concentration/school of them.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lw%C3%B3w_School_of_Mathematics

    On this picture from 1930, presenting mathematicians in its orbit, around half of recorded names sound Jewish. But the population as such seems to be pretty homogenous, I would say only numbers 3 (Loria), 6 and 7 (Schauder, Stark) look Jewish at the first sight. On the other hand, only 8, 9 and 11 (Borsuk, Marczewski, Zawadzki) look obviously Polish at the first sight.

  186. PolarBear says:

    Han Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese are essentially less wild Mongolians. In the same way Scythians were like raw Iranians and Scandinavia provided the manpower for the Germanic kingdoms that covered the Continent. The Sinosphere, Iranosphere, and Germanosphere owe much to their Northern roots.

  187. Ktulu says:

    I suspect that to some extent even the obsession with racial differences in IQ is a result of what you call “race realists”. After all, if intelligence was the only driving factor in the history if science and technology we would have expected the enlightenment and industrial revolution in the far east, not northwest Europe.

    The appeal to racial differences in IQ is mostly white people who got screwed out of a job or indeed an entire rung or two of the social heirarchy venting their frustrations ineffectually by assuming. diversity hire practices are anything other than the result of a genocidal occupation.

  188. Truth says:
    @elysianfield

    That’s not being “forced”, that’s being lazy and dumb.

    • Replies: @elysianfield
  189. sally says:
    @bj0311

    don’t think the difference in environments between Africa and USA governed America are significantly different also, changes, like the negative impacts of the mRNA vaccines, may take many years to produce offspring with noticeable changes in traits.

  190. Ktulu says:
    @RoatanBill

    So much for the white tradition dating back to the Greeks or even before of being well rounded. Without the proverbial warrior poet you instead get the brute and the nerd.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  191. Rdm says:
    @TG

    Your comment conveys a partial truth, i.e., when you deprive young men of any race, the consequences can be brutal.

    But you have never worked with Blacks, Jamaicans, Puerto Ricans, Mexicans in your professional lives, I presume. It’s not like where you are white collar and they are blue collar workers, and everyone is happy. It’s where you will be sitting with them in your office, occasionally interacting with them, that’s when you’d wonder if those young Jamaicans been deprived of earning wages. Granted, you’d get to see a few bright ones, but you can’t deny the statistics.

  192. @Ktulu

    The nerds in the society provide the brains the rest of the society is envious of but would never admit to.

    Face it, without the engineers and real scientists, you’d still be living in a shack slopping pigs. It’s the people with brains and vision that move society forward.

    The frauds in the political class use force in any number of ways to misdirect the nerds. The religious scam artists prey upon the weak of mind to have them support their life style with rewards in the future in some nonsense place called heaven. The social science and humanities con artists produce fluff no one needs but they convince people to want their bogus services through the con.

    The entire world needs engineers and scientists but no one needs politicians, the clergy and the bulk of the bullshit artists in the humanities and social sciences. As a matter of fact, the world would be a much better and less violent and more sane place without them.

  193. @obwandiyag

    Well, I now know whom to ignore.

  194. Mj says:

    It puzzles me why East Asia is almost always used to represent Asia as a whole. Why not compare Asian IQ (East, South, and Central) to European IQ?

    • Replies: @Sulu
  195. @WorkingClass

    I had just finished reading more E Michael Jones about how to think clearly you first need morality. And I was thinking a lot of people on UR are really hung up on IQ, it shouldn’t be long before I can add some of my new knowledge to say stop being hung up on I Q and maybe think about morality instead… and voila, here is the opportunity, it didn’t take but a day! So, completely agree with your pithy well-made remark WorkingClass! We can get some morality by applying ourselves to the task. We have plenty of intelligence.

  196. “How many languages they felt they were fluent in, what operating systems platforms and API sets they’ve used, how long they’ve been at it and their general nurdiness as detail junkies and relentless bug zappers rounded out the picture. The skills for an operating systems developer, an applications developer, a web developers, etc have logical thinking in common.”

    or perhaps you are simply sufficient at coding but wholly incapable of teaching someone with less background than you have. Unlocking the potential of another human being to learn a new skill set or obtain new knowledge is not for everyone which is parents send their children off to school, at least one of the reasons.

    It’s easy for one with a said set of skills to lay claim that others don’t or can’t based on some innate ability or lack thereof. But based on your own account the two of you have very different backgrounds, in life, in relationships with others, I suspect the same is also true of academic experience. As yourself state, you have decided he was incapable before you even opted to teach him. There’s no way for me to evaluate his ability based on your rendering but clearly self fulfilling prophecy cannot be ruled out. Now it may be that said friend is incapable of learning x coding. But I suspect it is entirely possible that that a different instructor, a different environment might have changed the outcome which you were predisposed to expect. Teaching a novice is vastly different than teaching someone who has prerequisite skill of similar background.

    ——————————–

    In the US we will never really know what the black population is capable in this regard as a population because the US substantially engaged in 400 years plus of denying either environments or background with respect to basic education. What is obvious is that members of the black population clearly excel in technical fields when exposed to the background, and knowledge required.

    https://www.nsbe.org/

    http://math.buffalo.edu/mad/madhist.html

    https://mashable.com/2013/02/03/black-innovators/

    Furthermore, blacks themselves as with whites, greens, or blues have their own class system which works as gatekeeper of which black is deserving of entry and the like. That might also contribute to a narrower population. But concluding that x population can’t x based on some innate biological that you don’t identify is rebutted by the numerous people that are written off until they enjoy an environment that fosters and or unlocks what they are capable of achiving.

  197. @northeast

    Precisely and I haven’t time right away to read all 192 comments for one that is essentially identical to the one I’m about to make (my apologies in advance), so I’ll make my related point here:

    “For example, you can find them asserting that the Nepalese have a mean IQ of 60, which would make them unable to dress themselves, and that Mexicans and American blacks have mean IQs respectively of 87 and 85, essentially identical, yet the former operate telecommunications networks and other appurtenances of modernity while the latter show no capacity. The population of India is said to have a mean IQ of 81, which decreasingly seems to match reality on the ground.”

    Northeast, you got the Mexican part covered well, but I hasten to add that a metro train bridge of fairly recent construction just collapsed killing quite a few vatos in Mexico City a few days ago.
    Whether it was a design flaw (dependent on IQ of engineers) or execution in construction flaw or a shitty batch of construction material from a corrupt supplier is unclear.

    As to India, Fred doesn’t specify the “ground” where his “reality” is to be observed, but I suspect he is referring to the Anglosphere. Getting to the Anglosphere from India (or from Nigeria for that matter) will generally filter out the left hand side of the bell curve. The “ground reality” in India, I suspect, is quite another matter, notwithstanding the Taj Majal.

  198. “The entire world needs engineers and scientists but no one needs politicians, the clergy and the bulk of the bullshit artists in the humanities and social sciences. As a matter of fact, the world would be a much better and less violent and more sane place without them.”

    Well, I guess if there’s a case for nuclear weapons you’ve made it. I have no issues with science — but the notion that scientists are the source for peacemaking has very little grasp of human history. So much of science has been forged in gambits to beat their by driving the other into poverty or beat their fellows into a pulp.

  199. @sulu

    Back at ya, Hoss.

    There is no way in hell that Fred could be unaware of the so called “dancing Israelis.” The white van with several Jews inside that was already set up to film the twin towers on that fateful day. After the plane hit the towers they danced like they were at their own bar mitzva.

    But it’s 100 percent obvious he is not aware of this at all.

    And as for your question as to what reason Fred would have to fear the Jews when he is way down in Old Mexico? Well, it’s rather obvious. Fred no doubt gets some money from the U.S. government in the form of social security checks.

    Take it from me, hoss. No one fucks with your Social Security. But even the idea that some Jews somewhere would mess with some moron in Mexico’s Social Security is crazy town.

    As to whether or not old Fred is intelligent? Well, that is a judgement call. But I have read most of his columns and he has the pedigree for it what with mathematicians and doctors in his family. He also has a B.S. in science.(If memory serves.)

    Not into credentialism, hoss. I don’t care whether Fred has got a PhD in cornholing. He ain’t smart. If you have read a lot of his stuff you can come to no other conclusion but he is stupid in some major topics and a bit smart in a few others, which he should specialize in.

    9-11 is but one example. Evolution is another. But the topper is his insistence that because I am cringing in fear of brown people, that is why I am against illegal immigration.

    That is top level, top secret, classified, stupidity on such a colossal level that Elon Musk should tap into that for his next launch to Mars.

    Fred is a moron when he does not stick to what he knows. Which is often. Fred is not afraid of Jews. And Jews could care less what Fred says about anything.

    And either do I. And either should you.

    • Replies: @Sulu
  200. @Rev. Spooner

    Hey sounds like a good idea; but be careful what you wish for.
    That is a trait that TPT(shouldn’t)B select for.

    • Agree: Nancy
  201. Miro23 says:
    @restless94110

    I have 2 sisters. One is almost as smart as I am, the other is substantially less so. I love them both. They each have their unique, good qualities based on their intelligence. It’s just the way things are.

    Thank you for introducing the concept of family. If family bonds are strong enough, then Karl Marx’s “From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs” actually works.

    However, since Wokes have dedicated 50 years to breaking Anglo family bonds, it’s now every man for himself – which actually means domination by that other united family – organized Jewry. They have their own racist ghetto agenda that doesn’t favour Anglos.

    • Replies: @restless94110
  202. @Irish Savant

    I am not sure why you would, but hey, you could be right I suppose. I’d maybe say that when he writes about the military, about China, he’s 115. When he writes about immigration, 9-11, evolution he’s 95.

    He has a varying IQ.

  203. @RoatanBill

    Physical Education, including personal healthcare and dietary practices is an essential part of a well rounded education. That said, college big money sports are nothing but corrupt money machines for the institutions. They do bring in money though and I’m not sure too many schools can make it on the Univ. of Chicago model. (Ironic, no?) Ergo, The Oval and Round Niggraball playerz (of all races) in these programs who couldn’t gain admission to a serious institution of higher learning (How many of those are left these days anyway?) on academic merits alone should be confined to niggraball camps on the edge of town and only allowed into town at game time. They can then be given some kind of jock diploma at the end of four successful, well behaved years. The true student-athlete (of any race) could stay in town and also study in a real academic program.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  204. Sulu says:
    @Mj

    Maybe because America fought the Japanese in WWII and we immediately think of them when we think of Asians. And they are a island nation.

    But I agree with you. I spent lots of time in the Philippines and the Asians there were, for the most part, dumb as shit. Cock fighting and alcoholism seemed to be the national pastimes. When you would run up on a smart one it was like running up on a stream in West Texas. You would wonder what in the hell they were doing there. But the most intelligent and successful minority in the P.I. were the Chinese/Filipinos. They own the airlines and most of the telecommunication infrastructure as well as the best hospitals.

    If some Filipino reads this I expect the usual comeback of, “Why don’t you stay in your own country if you don’t like the Philippines.” Typical piss weak response of an inferior mind that side steps the real problem. And before some one points out I am setting up a straw Filipino really I’m not. I have gotten just that response in the past when remarking on Philippines I.Q. Nothing infuriates people more than an unflattering truth. Philippines is the basket case of South Asia because the people have an average I.Q. of 85. Most of the women there would rather spend 50 piso on a load for their phone than buy birth control pills for themselves. If you are Pinoy and are reading this it’s not an opinion it’s a fact. You didn’t win the genetic lotto so just deal with it.

    Sulu

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
    , @Smith
  205. rec1man says:
    @Mustapha Mond

    Goel , is an Upper Caste Merchant surname ; 75% of Indians , lower caste, get affirmative action quotas and will never be found on such high IQ lists

  206. DrCiber says:

    Thanks for the column Fred. It seems to have triggered your usual gang of trolls, and also as usual went right over their heads, but they are easy to ignore. Catch you next time.

  207. @Jim Bob Lassiter

    including personal healthcare and dietary practices is an essential part of a well rounded education.

    When I was in grammar school the nuns concentrated on reading, writing and arithmetic plus ample amounts of religious nonsense. There was no training on personal grooming, nutrition or anything to do with healthcare. At Brooklyn Tech High School, PE was limited to climbing rope, running track and other sweaty activities. Again no training in anything you mentioned.

    Even if today that type of thing is taught, it would be better accomplished in a classroom environment with visuals and mentored by a nutritionist, not in some smelly gym taught by a no neck.

    Sorry, but PE is outright bullshit and has no place in a school setting.

    • Replies: @Truth
  208. gatobart says:

    Speaking of thoughts, I have this theory:

    There is nothing that the human brain may conceive, imagine–any living creature in general, anything in general–that doesn’t already exists somewhere in this universe. The reason for that would be that the human brain is itself the product of this universe, of Nature, and the creature will never be more inclusive than the creator.

    • Replies: @Sulu
    , @Poco
  209. Sulu says:
    @restless94110

    Sorry, but everything you stated is simply your opinion and can hardly be demonstrable fact.

    Not into credentialism, hoss.

    Could that be perhaps because you yourself have no higher education? Almost without exception the people that loudly proclaim that credentials mean nothing are people that don’t have any. They didn’t understand the value of obtaining them or they didn’t have the time, money, or ability to acquire them. Maybe they spent their youth with their finger up their ass smoking weed, drinking beer and saving up for their next tattoo until they belated realized that their ship had sailed. Sour grapes I say. Now that is not to say that all diplomas are created equal. Some are worth more than others. And the top of the heap are those that have the word “Science” in their name. I’m sorry but your opinion that credentials mean nothing is a minority opinion and it tells a lot more about you than you might think.

    If Fred had a humanities degree I might be willing to admit that it takes persistence and a willingness to conform to school rules to acquire more than it takes intelligence. But, if my memory serves, Fred has a B.S. in Chemistry. I can personally attest to the fact that Chemistry is not a subject that stupid people excel in. I have, among my other credentials, a B.S. in Geology. Since I was a science major I was required to take two semesters of Chemistry as well as Physics. Chemistry was hard as hell! Especially organic. And Physics was no walk in the park either. And being a science major I was required to take the full strength curriculum. Not the watered down stuff that was designed to allow stupid sports jocks to pass their science requirements. We used to laugh at them and call those classes “football” physics.

    You don’t have to be a genius to get a B.S. I am evidence of that. But stupid people typically can’t do it. I worked my ass off to get mine. So no, Fred isn’t stupid. At least 50 or so years ago when he got his B.S.

    Fred is an old man. And I.Q. does decline with age. I admit much of the stuff he has written in the last 5 or 6 years is crap. But some of his earlier stuff is great. As another poster noted age, nicotine and alcohol can dull a once bright mind. Fred no doubt suffers a bit from this.

    Take it from me, hoss. No one fucks with your Social Security. But even the idea that some Jews somewhere would mess with some moron in Mexico’s Social Security is crazy town.

    Sorry but I can’t take it from you. All of that is just your opinion. And it’s not particularly well founded.

    I have seen firsthand what can happen to people that piss powerful people off. It starts with fucking up your money supply and goes all the way up to murder. If you don’t believe me why don’t you just ask Christopher Sign. He was the reporter that broke the story about Bill Clinton and then Attorney General Loretta Lynch’s tarmac meeting in 16. Oh, wait. You can’t ask him because he was just found dead at 45. Of an apparent suicide. Tsk. Tsk.

    You said in reference to Fred not mentioning the dancing Israelis.

    But it’s 100 percent obvious he is not aware of this at all.

    It’s not obvious at all. What is obvious is the fact that he refuses to write about it. I can’t believe for a minute that in the near twenty years since 9/11 that Fred has never encountered the story of the so called dancing Israelis. He must have heard the story. And if he had and simply didn’t believe it he would have most likely written a story debunking it. But he hasn’t even mentioned it. Which tells me he knows it is definitive proof that the Mossad, at the very least, knew about 9/11 and did nothing to warn us. This is of course incendiary. And for this reason Fred ignores it and continues to parrot the party line.

    Now, let me be clear about what I am stating. It is possible that Fred is unaware of the dancing Israelis, but I consider it a very unlikely possibility. I think the scenario I outlined is much more likely to be true.

    But one thing is certain. The fact that Fred has never addressed the dancing Israelis is in no way definitive proof that he doesn’t know about it.

    Also, the Jews are in government up to their ears. They are way over represented with respect to their numbers in the general population. I’m not saying Fred would 100% start having money problems if he wrote about the Jewish involvement in 9/11. But it is a definite possibility. All it would take would be a Jew with enough power that is pissed by Fred’s writing to pick up the phone and Fred would start having problems with his check.

    Oh, if you happen to have a conventional job with a pretty big company and you think the Jews can’t fuck with your money why don’t you start loudly telling everyone at work within earshot that the Jews own the media and that they are pieces of shit that need to be deported to Israel. You might be able to get away with it if you are in a small company with few, like minded employees. But in a large corporation talk like this will get you fired. Try it. You will see more clearly what power they wield.

    Sulu

    • Replies: @restless94110
  210. gatobart says:
    @Thomasina

    If the test was printed on a piece of paper he would have rather taken it and written a piece of music on it rather than wasting his time solving it. And i would agree with his gesture.

  211. m___ says:
    @ANix

    Core truths, the mapping of “white” has a second and third layer. The white middle class is kept hostage by the same phenomenon.

  212. 9593 says:

    Alas ! The Unz Review is bogging down with insulting ad hominem Billingsgate. Free speech comes with a cost. But now the price is too high in wasted time sorting out the dross on this site. Over 200 comments, and counting.

    Maybe, if all of the comments are truly reviewed before publication – the Editor could do a sorting for “editor’s choice” to respect free speech, but with a service to the readers by qualifying the offerings, like over-ripe fruit at a reduced price.

    • Replies: @Sulu
  213. Sulu says:
    @gatobart

    If the Universe is infinite, which astronomers admit as a possibility, then this is, I believe, a certainty.
    If the Universe is not infinite but simply incredibly vast, as seems certain, then I would say you have a high probability of being correct that is just short of unity. And the likely hood of your being correct is in direct proportion to the size of the Universe. The bigger the size the more likely it is you are correct. So, yeah, I would put an even money bet on it.

    Sulu

    • Replies: @gatobart
  214. Sulu says:
    @RoatanBill

    Got to say I love the idea about the whore houses. Some of my old Gf’s would certainly qualify. I think California named a port of entry after at least one of them.

    Sulu

  215. Sulu says:
    @cosMICjester

    As I.Q. gets above a certain high number the odds go way up that the possessor of said I.Q. will be a sufferer of mental health issues. I have an old college roommate that had an I.Q. in the low 150 range. He used to brag about his I.Q. yet despite it he never graduated from college. Over 10 years ago he was found to be mentally incompetent by a judge and placed on full disability. 3 years ago at the age of 59 he decided that he was born the wrong sex and in reality is a female. He got hormone treatments that gave him tits and went all over town trying to get the D.M.V. and his bank to list him as a female. I didn’t have the heart to tell him that taking hormones and growing tits doesn’t mean he has succeeded in becoming a woman. It just means he has failed at being a man.

    I feel sorry for the poor bastard. He looks like Mrs. Doubtfire. He is as crazy as a shit house rat and is so far around the bend that if he went any farther he would be coming back.

    I’ll take a 135 I.Q. and a stable mind any day over 150 and a fruitcake.

    Sulu

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  216. Anonymous[194] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dumbo

    IQ is just the ability to solve puzzles and abstract math problems.

    You’re going to fly as a passenger in a commercial jetliner. You have a choice of a flight crew, experience level of 5,000 hrs, one crew all with a 90 IQ, or one crew all with a 140 IQ.

    Which do you pick, and why?

    • Replies: @cylindrical crown
  217. Anonymous[194] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sulu

    I have an old college roommate that had an I.Q. in the low 150 range.

    How do you know it was in that range? Did you see the official results of his test? Did you see him take the test?

    Did you know crazy people are capable of lying to you?

    • Replies: @Sulu
  218. Truth says:
    @RoatanBill

    You went to B.T.?

    Hey! Fellow Engineer Here!

    Early eighties.

    Man has Ft. Greene changed, they had soccer bars and shit last time I went there.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  219. @criolle

    It’s a stupid word. Be intelligent, don’t use it.
    Occasionally, Americese throws up a good word or expression, but most of it is crass crap.
    Gotta love “sidewalk”; the Brits call it a pavement!

  220. @anon

    Awesome! Hoist by his own retard.

  221. @The King

    That a stupid! Why no we have 190 Benin?

  222. Sulu says:
    @9593

    The obvious answer would be for you to publish your own website where you would be webmaster with complete control of the comments section. You could even (gasp) censor what ever comments you wish. Just be sure you are wearing your reservoir tipped under ware before you push the delete button. You sound like the kind of guy that would need it while wielding that much power.

    Sulu

  223. @ivan

    More than studying Physics they learn math, the “language of science”. With a good background in math all other hard sciences are readily apprehended. Without math one is just memorizing axioms.

  224. Sulu says:
    @Anonymous

    No, honestly I never saw his I.Q. published and I admit it could have been a lie. But the guy was writing directly in machine code back in the early eighties before I even knew about it. I was lead to believe it was impossible or at least hard as hell to do. He could make a computer stand up and beg or roll over and present its’ belly. And this was 40 years ago.

    The first computer I ever had was an ancient TRS-80 color computer that we bought jointly. In no time at all this guy just kind of interfaced with the computer. He decided we needed more memory so we paid $150 in 1980 money for 16k of memory. Not 16gb or 16mb but 16k.

    I would go to class and the guy was on the computer. I would come back and the guy was on the computer. I would take my gf to my room and ball her and he was on the computer I would go visit my parents for the weekend and comeback on Monday and the guy was on the computer. I’m talking like 15 or 16 hours a day 24/7. In a couple months he was making it do whatever he wanted. I really think that getting the computer was a large contributor to him dropping out of school. He was completely obsessed with it. Whatever money he would get went toward buying hardware. The software market was in its’ infancy so this guy just wrote all his programs. I remember it was years and probably another computer or two down the line before he bought any commercial software.

    In short order I realized I wasn’t going to get any time with the computer so I talked him into buying out my half. I didn’t get another computer till about the mid eighties when I got a Commodore 64.

    He also told me my first computer joke.
    Q:Why can’t computer science majors tell the difference between Halloween and Christmas?
    A:Because Oct.31=Dec.25

    The guy was smart as hell but it was all one sided. Outside of computers he couldn’t find his ass with a search warrant and a day off. Or perhaps considering the way he ended up he could find his ass.

    Sulu

  225. JM says:
    @James J O'Meara

    And, according to Germans, Shakespeare is much better in the original German.

    Lol! Presumably two examples of attempted Cultural Appropriation.

    • Replies: @gatobart
  226. I began to read this then tossed it. its a lot of nonsense, more propaganda crap by the system to derail the people. I am going to stop reading the UNZ because of all of the disgusting propaganda that appears here. I have just about had it.

    I am a grown man and |I have known directly and observed lots of black people directly in my life. they have been everything professionally and otherwise in life. my own children are top class professional: her accountant and software engineer himself, both graduated from 2 of the top universities in north america. and I knew more along with both of them at universities when I paid attention

    I look around me now and all I see is Black excellence. I am listening to Johnathan Butler, South African musician, absolutely brilliant guitarist and singer who has left an amazing body or work for us to enjoy. but this is common fact in the arts: music and dance, instrumentation, in literature, painting, in sports, design of everything.

    just recently an american Black woman mathematician was honoured for her indispensable work for NASA, wok that the early astronauts trusted more than calculations from any other source. I mean they would not fly without she doing all the calculations that had to be done in order to make their flights safe. she was trusted implicitly, unreservedly.

    that is the case everywhere I have looked, researched, known in my life. the reason it does not happen often in all fields of human endeavor is due to racism and the systematic domination and rendering of Black people into degraded social experience

    then again when I look into white biology, especially the white upper classes, royalty they are suffused by what used to be referred to as ‘MOORISH BLOOD’ but Black people were the first people, so indeed ‘Moorish’ blood suffuses the human species. then again who we are, what we are is totally condition by evolution in nature…where we were born and how we are first off by response to natural conditions in survival. there are no humans outside of this.

    we can claim we are who we have chosen to be! really? we have at best options in nature to chose from. there is no human outside of this fact., we are of nature and by cause and effect can become what is possible in the conditions in which we live, have always lived in all its evolutionary changes, which includes what went before and preparation currently for what it likely to be the future, by our own best calculations and analyses

    we have a real world to deal with outside of all the nonsense human conquest and exploitative domination has placed between natural truth and humans…which is the crap we here from Reed. but truth is catching up with us as we can no longer dance in delusion away from what we have discovered about life, what we do with it and the dangerous urgency of the results and consequences theses advances in use have faced us with. we have to deal with these positively of succumb, die off.

    we need humanity on stream…ALL humanity, EVERYBODY in forms of social organization that puts everyone to work on the question of and project of achieving indefinite human survival not just on earth but in existence period. all humans, indeed from the one African source can do everything and all that is needed at any time in response to human survival needs. people like Reed are simple propagandist, here to cause division for the purpose of maintaining an ancient status quo no longer in tune with human survival

    Reed as such is anti human and anti life…that is the way he has chosen to make his living among the options he has in nature. I wont waste my time with these articles anymore. nothing here to learn

  227. JM says:
    @Stan d Mute

    Two fascinating responses. You ought to write more on these themes.

  228. @Rooster11

    You people just don’t get it.”

    So are you implying that he’s a midget. or a limo driver? Heaven forfend the third possibility.

  229. gatobart says:
    @Sulu

    I think that the limit of our capacity to think about anything above the material world lies in our own brains, they are part of Nature after all, part of matter, and they are incapable of transcending them. Now, if there is really something like OOB experiences, if our minds/souls can really leave our bodies behind in some instances and ascend to some superior form of existence, then such a thing would be possible, we could actually get in touch with other realities than scientists may call the fourth or fifth dimension. The problem would be then to bring those experiences back to our own world, to our own third dimension, because we would have to do it anyway using brains that only work in this, the third dimension. Then, if that is is possible, when we come back all we will have left is the remains of the experiences, not them in their entirety, something like a color picture we brought but that that on the way here has lost its colors, is now black and white, and pretty foggy and hard to understand. An idea that is not hopeless anyway, as maybe some weird dream, coma or trance experiences we confusedly remember could be the traces left by our visit to other realities. It would be like taking an orange, a 3D object and cutting it in half and taking a picture of the sliced part. Anyone living in the 2nd dimension could see the slice and maybe will try to imagine how that slice would look/be in a higher dimension, ours.

  230. Sulu says:
    @ben sampson

    I look around me now and all I see is Black excellence.

    Why don’t you have one of your friends drop you off in the hood in South Chicago? I bet you would get a completely different view of blacks. You wouldn’t make it 3 blocks until you were robbed or killed.

    If all you see around you is black excellence you had better wake up because you are in a very un plausible dream. Here in America the vast majority of blacks are low I.Q. criminals and welfare mothers that pop out kids from different daddies. All on the taxpayer’s dime. Most use what little intelligence they have to scam as much money out of Uncle Sam as they can manage. Many simply get money by dealing drugs or at the point of a gun.

    In short the things you have said are hardly believable. And if it is indeed true, then you are a very tiny island of success awash in an ocean of black stupidity, disfunction, and overt criminality. That is the norm for blacks here in America. Success is a rarity. And blacks that do succeed big usually do it in sports, music, or acting. Fields that require talent but not intelligence.

    Sulu

    • Replies: @ben sampson
    , @Happy Tapir
  231. @ben sampson

    my apologies for not getting and posting up the name of the NASA black mathematician honoured with the medal of freedom recently. her name: Katherine Johnson, died recently also, at the ripe age of 101

    Katherine Johnson by search can lead to many more Black female mathematicians, proving that math or any subject at all, is no problem to any Black people male or female with the propensity for the subject and desire to excel in that field

    it is all a question of the Black experience in America and what that experience has made of the American Black population: racism, brutality, poverty, last to be hired first to be fired…all from original Black slavery. that in spite of all of that we have as much Black excellence as we do have is testament to the strength and survivability of Black people…and of humanity in general because I see at base one human race. we know where we call came from

  232. @Sulu

    SULU

    Actually, the Philippines could be the future for whites in the USA: a small number of Mestizos & huge number of Chinese merchants running the country.

    To see what happens when a relatively close-knit high IQ people with no ethical boundaries do when one must look at the Chinese in the Philippines.

    Alcoholism & cockfighting are far less serious problems for Filipinos than shabu (Meth).

    I came & went from Cebu for years & shabu just seemed to get worse up to the point that it was turning the Philippines into a narco economy.

    I also know firsthand what happens when Red Horse & shabu are mixed. I’ve been chased by would-be laptop snatchers to the gates of my subdivision. I’ve had phones stolen, I’ve been burglarized.

    You may have lived out Siargow in Leyte but I can tell you the meth problem made drunks at cockfights seem unimportant.

    When meth hit the poor squats & barangays that was when the Philippines went downhill into a drug war.

    Also, Phil-Chinese control the economy of the Philippines. They are smarter than the average Pinoy & easily owned the economy.

    But they are also involved in the meth business & in my opinion the CCP saw Britain’s success with the Opium Wars & decided to do the same thing with crystal meth.

    As for African-Americans in the Philippines, they mostly just want to enjoy the girls & the weather & the affordable living. Many are ex-military who were stationed there, but not all of them. They are not really in the Philippines for diving or sailing. They’re there because actually the living standard is higher.

    • Replies: @Sulu
  233. @Sulu

    Sorry, but everything you stated is simply your opinion and can hardly be demonstrable fact.

    You are projecting, hoss. All you are saying is your own opinion and conjecture. For example:

    Could that be perhaps because you yourself have no higher education?

    No.That could not be, Sherlock Holmes. Or more like Inspector Clouseau.

    So, since you are wrong there in the opening of your book-length reply, tell me why I should continue reading your ignorant and opinionated screed?

    I mean is there a reason I should read your opinions about Fred Reed? Are you his lover? Why are you writing 10,000 words about him? Should I send your work to him? I know he never reads any comment threads on Unz (sorry to bust your bubble, hoss)..

    Until I hear a valid reason that I should waste my time reading your love letter, I’ll just say: Here’s a quarter, call someone who cares (about Fred Reed).

  234. gatobart says:
    @ben sampson

    I was disappointed too, but for a different reason: I read the headline: Thoughts, Unoriginal But Perhaps of Value, on Brains, and I said to myself: Wow, one educated, high brow discussion about the nature of our thoughts, the mental process, how the thinking brain works its magic, and so o n. Then I started reading and what I found…? Race, race and more race. It is all about race. Really, like you can’t talk about anything else south of the border. Some Canadian writer or radio commentator hit it on the nail many years ago when he or she said that “Americans” are obsessed by race. And it is true: There is practically no place, no forum, no town hall, where you can keep a subject, any subject, away from the race question, everywhere in the U.S. everything is at the end reduced to a debate about race. And you “Americans” think that Canadians are weird and boring…?.

  235. gatobart says:
    @JM

    And according to Germans also, had been Werner Von Braun working for them and not for the “American” NASA, they would have actually put some men on the Moon and not just having to fake it.

  236. sulu says:
    @RoatanBill

    For years I have fantasized about Whites striking for a week and completely paralyzing America. But White people just don’t have any real sense of racial solidarity. We would be lucky to get 10% of Whites to strike for “National White Week.” And, for the life of me, I can’t imagine how in the hell we are going to manage to instill a feeling of solidarity in the White race. I suspect America will have to get to the point that blacks are constantly attacking Whites with the courts refusing to prosecute the blacks and instead prosecute Whites for defending themselves before Whites start to have any racial cohesion. And by that time it may well be too late.

    Sulu

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
    , @Truth
  237. Smith says:
    @Sulu

    Not a pinoy but obligatory, why don’t you stay in your own country if you don’t like the Philippines?

    Why do white boomers migrate to Asia if they hate it so much?

  238. @Truth

    I attended from 64-68 and then went on to BT’s graduate center Brooklyn Poly.

    I and 2 of my friends got mugged by the darker locals on the day we took the entrance exam in the middle of winter. As kids, we got on to the wall that remained from the prison, I believe, that was in Ft.Greene park. At one end a hill of dirt allowed access to the top of the wall and then we walked along the top to where the ground sloped away and we were about 20′ up. That’s when two blacks came along with Zip guns and robbed us. I handed over even my shoes. There was no violence but I walked back to the Myrtle Ave Elevated line in my socks on frozen ground. That was my first interaction with black people as I’d been isolated from them in a largely German Italian neighborhood in Ridgewood, Queens.

    Over the next 4 years I was shot and stabbed by them on 3 occasions, all flesh wounds. We made billy clubs in metal shop to ward off the average black thief and by walking to the train in a group, but that was no deterrent when someone showed up with a Zip gun. By my senior year I was carrying an illegal 22 Beretta and a switchblade. I figured the Sullivan law was less of a threat to me than the savages.

    The pistol came in handy only one time while I was at Bklyn Poly. Again, 2 spear chuckers jumped the turnstile and started walking towards me on an otherwise absolutely empty platform. I put my back up against the wall and waited to see what they were going to do. One maneuvered to my right but about 10 feet from me and the other was closer on my left. The guy on the left eventually made his demand and I looked him straight in the eye and told him I’d kill him if he didn’t back off. The pistol was inside my coat pocket and I would have killed both of them if either tried anything. He made the right decision. Thereafter Bernie Goetz became famous for taking out some shit on the subway. I could have beat him to it.

    • Replies: @Truth
  239. @Smith

    They want to make Asia into what Squeaker Polylunasi called “Beautiful sight to behold.”

    True beautiful-sights to behold:

    • Replies: @Smith
  240. @sulu

    If the teamsters, for example, organized a truckers strike with the stated complaint being anti white racism, then that alone couldn’t be covered up by the media and it would make national headlines.

    Other organizations or, in general, any grouping of like minded people could force the issue to the foreground because their services would be missed.

    I read that business people in Baltimore are threatening to not pay their taxes due to not getting police protection from the Mau Mau in the area. I’m sure that’s a bluff, but it did make the news. What’s needed is a nucleation site of individuals that broadcast their complaint and then watch others outside their industry join in to create a dark cloud hanging over the economy.

    If a protest could be started that doesn’t include violence, just idleness, the gov’t goons would be powerless to use their typical tactic of cracking skulls or threatening arrest because they couldn’t level a charge that wouldn’t be laughed at by the greater population.

    The only thing to bring the gov’t to heel will be a crippling of the economy and the best time would be now when things are already heading down hill fast. The Fed and the Fed Gov have little to no resilience left to combat the next black swan. The trick is to invent that black swan and refuse to back down.

    • Agree: Realist, Sulu
    • Replies: @aleksander
  241. Smith says:
    @Deep Thought

    Have to agree with that.

    Western soldiers and english teachers are the most subversive elements in Asia.

  242. @Smith

    Let me tell you Bruce’s story. Bruce went through a bad spell in Bridgeport, Connecticut. His wife divorced him and got the house and when he went back to collect his belongings that were not taken in the Community Property arrangement she got a restraining order placed on him. He was a steel worker by trade but the plant closed. When he tried to return to his house he was arrested. He spent time in a homeless shelter that winter and he was sleeping on his cot and was sexually harassed by a big black crackhead. He spent some time in the park. Finally, he liquidated and moved to the Philippines and opened a girly bar. I don’t think he particularly loved it, but it supported him and he was never in a park at midnight again with crackheads or Opoid addicts or tweakers.

    [MORE]

    Most American men in the Philippines don’t care about the culture or politics. They can live well on $1000 a month. BLM is not blocking traffic. They rarely learn the language. There is no divorce rape. No cultural expectations. No cries of racism. No stupid wars.

    Has nothing to do with the actual country, but rather a total disinterest in their own country and a desire to have a lifestyle that involves, well, not giving a shite about much of anything.

    The women have low expectations. You can get laid without putting up with the massive headache of the expectations of Western women. Any problems, you leave the woman. And another 20 year old walks by in 2 minutes.

    Time and again I had problems with police in the USA. One cop got a wrong address on a burglary suspect. Another time was when I was filling my tires in a gas station in a high-drugs area. Another time when I parked my bike in an alley when it got a flat tire & the cops thought this was suspicious, their guns were drawn that time.

    In the Philippines, any problem with the PNP & you produce a large wad of bills. I keep $600 aside for bribes for any reason. One time, I had a problem in Manila. I won’t go into. Two hundred USD made this issue go away.

    NB Don’t travel to SEA without bribe money. Always have a couple of grand to spare. Unless you get your kicks with children because the going rate for getting caught doing that is 20K…but I’ve known Americans to pay it.

    I was just on Yahoo News and the biggest story is not Covid or what Biden is going to do about the economy or when we will finally drag ourselves out of Afghanistan…but the latest from Kim Kardashian who says she will continue posting selfies of her large Armenian butt after she becomes a lawyer.

    I shook my head contemptuously at the state of US culture. The squirming peasants live on credit cards & tents line major cities & rural American collapses into a miasma of Opoid abuse & whiggerdom & black cops shoot unarmed white women in the state capitol…but the biggest story is about one of the Kardashians.

    There are those who will stay at the party when trouble brews between the guests. Others go out the back door.

    That is your answer.

    They don’t care enough to be one of the squirming peasants in the corporate neo-feudal economic pyramid to hang around when they can live in a nice cheap tropical country & enjoy the company of a dusky beauty’s lips around their penis as they watch the tropical sunset melt into the colors of the sea on their beachfront villa.

    Instead of some 60 year old wife who is going through a crisis & needs empowerment & divorces them.

    And there you are.

    • Replies: @Smith
    , @Sulu
  243. @obwandiyag

    White supremacy is not only white over black, it is also the small number of rich whites over the much larger number of rich whites over the much larger number of poor and working class whites. In return for a guarantee that the latter group of whites will suffer the many calamities of life afforded working people less intensely and less frequently than do people of color, the poor and the working class will not challenge the rule of the rich. [T]he contradiction of white supremacy for the poor and the working class is not that white supremacy advances us but that it ties us to our own oppression… It’s the bribe to keep the poor and working class passive in the face of their own oppression.”

    That is such a load of bullshit. Rich whites have always fawned over their blacks. In the past blacks weren’t trusted to do much, for obvious reasons, but that doesn’t mean that there was any love from elite whites towards lower class whites. Elite whites feared competition from below so much that they gave the keys to Jews, instead, and said nothing of affirmative action and the demographic replacement of the white masses.

  244. @Løvstuhagen

    Humans are not rational. They are rationalizing. Therefore, the smarter a person is, the easier it is to develop “rational” reasons for what they believe to be true.

  245. Smith says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    So white boomers come to Asia to literally escape from the white society they built, and now they proceed to shit where they eat.

    You have to go back.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  246. @DocDictum

    Blacks have excelled in sports and music.

    You can find examples that support this. I don’t know enough about sports to comment, but I listen to a lot of music, and the evidence for black excellence there is mixed at best. In the entire history of classical music, there have been no significant black composers and few dark-skinned soloists. Your argument seems to apply mostly to jazz and pop. But for every Duke Ellington and John Coltrane, there are a dozen rap “artists.”

    What seems to be the case is that in saner times than ours, musical culture selected for talent (and in some instances, genius). That kind of sorting no longer occurs thanks to the egalitarian spirit that pervades everything now. The music industry can’t and won’t weed out the incompetent, obnoxious and regressive. It’s all just product and often the worse is more popular than the better, since it draws its listeners from the lower IQ population — lowbrow whites as well as blacks.

    • Replies: @ben sampson
  247. gatobart says:

    I am curious about this White versus Black (or colored in general) thing you got going on in the US which in some respects is like the row they had in Nazi Germany about who was an Aryan and, even more important if one cared about his own safety and life, who was a Jew are who wasn’t. But my pointed question, or confusion, regards mostly who is considered a “real” White person south of the border as we all know many among the “American” population come from a very mixed ethnic stock. More directly my multi-answer question would b e who among these below would be considered bona fida White and who wouldn’t:

    Edgar Hoover (obviously part Black)
    Antonio Banderas (dark skinned European)
    Burt Reynolds (part Cherokee, and a good part)
    James Garner (part Cherokee)
    Megan Fox (Powhatan Native American)
    Angeline Jolie (Mohawk)
    Tommy Lee Jones (part Cherokee)
    Robert Forster (dark skinned European)
    Cameron Diaz (part Cherokee)
    Chuck Norris (half Cherokee)

    Just out of curiosity as I don’t intend to go to the U.S, where this kind of thing REALLY matters, not even to visit , I would consider myself in-between, say, Banderas, Pacino and Forster. I have been taken for different things, Italian, Greek and Portuguese apart from Latin American so I guess among you I’d be like borderline White more or less.

  248. @Sulu

    ‘If all you see around you is black excellence you had better wake up because you are in a very un plausible dream. Here in America the vast majority of blacks are low I.Q. criminals and welfare mothers that pop out kids from different daddies. All on the taxpayer’s dime. Most use what little intelligence they have to scam as much money out of Uncle Sam as they can manage. Many simply get money by dealing drugs or at the point of a gun.’

    Clearly you missed my point completely, did not understand what I said.

    despite what you describe about the conditions of Black people what I see relatively speaking is a level and quantity of excellence in what Black people manage to do in America that portends what would entail when and if that American social reality was is resolved positively relative to race.

    But by and in those very conditions you describe, what Black America has indeed achieve living, surviving in them is astounding

    I will not go back into history to try to convince you of anything. The history, the reality is right there. you apparently is in the midst of it and are blind to its truth. Life is cause and effect and I know the history of America well, of the Americas well… and of the world well enough. And there is nothing of a violent, criminal and destructive nature that Black people may be doing in the US currently, as you describe it, that compares to what was actually done to Black America for centuries, that has never in fact stopped!!!

    I actually stopped reading researching the recorded history of white brutality to Black Americans because |I could not stand it. And it was making me crazy, turning me into an extraordinarily angry vehicle of total hate and revenge . I saw the danger and stopped and talked with my seniors about it and saved myself

    As America collapses deliberately caused or not, the disgusting treatment of Black America continues, increases, worsens. what reference, models and recourse do Black people have for routine behaviour, reaction, in a situation routinely destructive of them? They can have only what was done to them for centuries, what they have lived. You demand that somehow Black people import supremely intelligent behavior to inform their response to general racism and the utter brutality that spawns from the killers of Black people, with Jesus-like responses? Is that what you want?

    Why did you not go teach then in the ghettoes that that is how they must behave, respond… regardless of whatever you and the white race and all other American ethnic groups may do to them in the routine flow of everyday life, all over America?

    That’s right by cause and effect, by routine formative experience there has been, is little routine positive Black American experience with any America ethnic group at all over centuries in America. The other Ethnics all jumped onto the white racist flow against Black America. that is still the case right now! They have all been racist, totally brutal and condemnatory of Black people all along! That is the experience I know and ordinary Black people knowing no other in America right now in its state of decline, they may have no compunction at all relatively…from centuries of racism from all others who live there

    I know what America is. I am not American and do not live in America now. But I lived there for a short while and visited often enough for extended periods. I have blood relatives living there for very long periods of time, NYC and NY state generally. That was/is easy enough. I am Canadian.

    Where professionally Black people have had opportunity they have literally dominated as in the Music industry, musically excellent period. It is the same in the world in all levels of music.

    In the world go into all fields of human endeavor and in every niche occupied by Black entries you see the same excellence, that portends what a future would look like were Black people afforded, or won full entry.

    That is what I meant and actually what I said about Black excellence…that we have been brilliant in the situation as it has worked to eliminate us anyway. You obviously did not read what I wrote properly, so blinded you appear to be by emotion on this issue: You are blinded by your fury at what is positive about Black people that others may contend.

    • Replies: @sulu
  249. bayviking says:
    @Dave C.

    Republicans consistently cut funding to schools, the post office, everything except the military industrial complex, then blame “liberals” for the failures which follow their support of religion and denial of science, because that’s how Republicans play the deadly game of politics.

    There are only two issues in politics, morality and money. Everyone should understand, after the 2008 economic collapse, that there will always be plenty of money to do the things politicians want to do. The problem is a small rich ruling class has a stranglehold on most politicians, because of the commercial manner in which our political system is organized. All political debate belongs on a free public broadcast system.

    There is no legitimate reason to segregate people by arbitrary IQ standards and allocate resources in accordance with those standards.

    • Replies: @gar manarnar
  250. @Smith

    Ain’t nothing new. The upper-crust of the Philippines are all the descendants of Spanish friars who married the pre-Hispanic tribal elite to create the landowning Spanish Mestizo elite.

    Look around at the Filipino elite-besides the Chinoys of course. You’ll notice they’re fairly white-looking.

    I used to have some Ayala friends (My landlord) & I passed myself off as a “haciendero” a few times myself.

    Anyhow, Americans actually allowed the Chinoys to come in & buy land (Which was against Spanish law) & the only reason the Phil-Chinese are rich today is because the Americans liberated the Philippines from the Spanish.

    I never understood the antagonism the Pinoys feel about the Americans.

    No matter what, the Spanish Mestizos & Chinoys would run the Philippines.

    Plus, with 100,000 Westerners who will each spend 100,000 USD at least in their retirement there a lot of Barangays get fed.

    They leave…the GDP crashes.

    Besides…what harm do they do. Shabu addicts are the big problem in Philippines, not a bunch older men who build hotels or whatever.

    • Replies: @Sulu
  251. Truth says:
    @sulu

    And, for the life of me, I can’t imagine how in the hell we are going to manage to instill a feeling of solidarity in the White race.

    Well Zulu, I’ll give you a small hint; it ain’t going to be by running off to PH to swim for a few months every year, then coming back and whining on the internet for the other nine.

    • Replies: @Sulu
  252. Uncle Sam says:

    While I.Q. tests are for the most part valid, they are circumstantial evidence of intelligence. What we need is direct evidence which means determining the parts of human brain where intelligence exists.

    That is the only way we can resolve this issue once and for all. Just where are we in this pursuit? This is critically important. Otherwise we will continue to flounder around like a fish out of water.

    Circumstantial evidence does not have the same probative value that direct evidence has. Ask any lawyer or any investigator of any issue no matter what it is.

    I am really exhausted hearing about I.Q. testing. If there is direct evidence let’s hear or see it.

  253. Truth says:
    @RoatanBill

    Oh, man that’s is a great story. You have to look at things in totality though; if were not for those 4 years, and you had gone to Grover Cleveland what would you be today? Another bored, fat Dago prick who sold life insurance, bragged about his mafia ties (that did not exist) and was in a hurry to die!

    When I attended, riding the G train to Ft. Green was certainly no picnic, got jumped a few times, etc. but what are you gonna do? Fire makes steel.

  254. Thim says:

    I had mine checked, and it came out 132, so I am a dumbass around here. I also grew up around blacks. We all knew they were dumb, THEY knew they were dumb, we all knew they were dumb, same as the sun comes up in the East.

    The Jew has long been using the black against us. But Fred is too dumb to see that. Too dumb or too cowardly, one or the other, or both, or there is a third explanation.

    I suspect the problem with Fred is he grew up in a West Virginia where the Klan ran everything, and the Jews ran the Klan. So he sees the Jews as the good guys, and some are. But most not.

  255. @Truth

    Forced thru circumstances. Lazy and dumb might have the desired effect also, but not exclusively. You would not suggest that people living in a ghetto are all stupid? Of course not. Unfortunate? Victims of circumstance? The frog being slowly boiled? Many reasons.

    • Replies: @Truth
  256. Truth says:
    @elysianfield

    There is no one forcing you to live anywhere in America. This is ignorance, there is no one stopping you from joining the Army on your 18th birthday, or going to school, or becoming a policeman. And no, not all ghetto people live their entire lives and die in a ghetto. My mother was born and raised in Harlem, now she lives in New Mexico.

    The entire point of American society is to keep the 99%, different levels of dumb and stupid, that includes poor people of all races, so yes, they are dumb, because that’s the game.

    • Replies: @Sulu
  257. @Miro23

    I don’t understand.

    The Jew Karl Marx who wrote the central precept of Communism means that only works in Angle families that the Jews are trying to tear about so that only their ghetto families survive?

    So all families are communist?

  258. @Etruscan Film Star

    more nonsense based on serious lack of knowledge about the history and development of human musical arts…especially about European classical music, and who were what, racially and otherwise therein

    and what a seriously pathetic highbrow and ignorant outlook! what is he calling low class incompetent popular music?

    Marvin Gaye, Loose Ends, Prince, Michael Jackson…..

    Part of the quality of music is pure sweetness it engenders for and in ordinary folk. I enjoy country and western for there is some real enjoyable music those artists produce. I went on a trip recently. I have my band fixed on a Black radio station permanently. and as I am jamming down the highway I get out of range and automatically a Cowboy and Western station took over.

    and I did not adjust my radio. what for! the Cowboys sang sweet songs I found myself enjoying immensely. it was not classical music that would demand of me much more to listen to gainfully, than those sweet songs. I gained right away, immediately from those songs, made my trip pretty easy after all when my station cut out

  259. Chinaman says:

    You dumbass white people should stop talking about IQ when the Chinaman is back.

    Only the Chinaman have the right to talk about IQ.

    Know your place on the IQ pecking order.

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @Bombercommand
  260. Sulu says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Yeah, meth is a big problem there. A lot of the bar girls were on it so they could dance till 3am. Ran into a few blacks there and most were ex military. But they tended to be clannish and had their own clique. Which suited me just fine.

    A friend of mine told me when he first got to the Philippines he felt sorry for the people. But after living there a few years and dealing with the never ending stupidity he concluded the people were just where they deserved to be.

    They also have an attitude that their fate is in God’s hands so that precludes them from doing anything to help themselves. Most out in the province literally can’t cook an egg without burning it. Total basket case as a country. But the women are cute and the diving great.

    Sulu

  261. Sulu says:
    @Truth

    The entire point of American society is to keep the 99%, different levels of dumb and stupid, that includes poor people of all races, so yes, they are dumb, because that’s the game.

    You finally said something we can agree on, Truth.

    Well, even a clock that doesn’t run is right twice a day. Assuming it isn’t a digital clock.

    Sulu

  262. Sulu says:
    @Truth

    Truth,

    You know your self centered egotism is a bastion of stability to me in an otherwise changing Universe.

    Sulu

    • Replies: @Truth
  263. Truth says:
    @Chinaman

    Old Sport, welcome back to the Hotel California.

  264. Truth says:
    @Sulu

    Well thanks Big-Z, hell, it’s all a simulation anyway.

  265. Marylou says:
    @Red Pill Angel

    Toss a modern African American into the jungle.
    What do you think will happen?

  266. @bayviking

    There is no legitimate reason to segregate people by arbitrary IQ standards and allocate resources in accordance with those standards

    So eliminate ‘gifted’ programs, and teach retarded kids together with ‘normal’ kids?

    https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-05-20/california-controversial-math-overhaul-focuses-on-equity

    Like it or not, segregation by intelligence leads to better outcomes, and the battery of tests used to determine intelligence are far from arbitrary, though they may not satisfy everyones’ definition of the word ‘intelligence’.

  267. Anonymous[190] • Disclaimer says:
    @obwandiyag

    Give it up give it up you lost this argument about 55 comments ago, and now like the government your just doggie paddling hoping that no one will notice.

  268. gatobart says:

    Uh, seven hours and not one single answer to my question about who among the dozen personalities I listed is, or may be considered, 100% White in “America”. Which I find intriguing in itself given that no answer is by itself a pretty good answer. That happens in general for two possible reasons: the first being that nobody sees any interest in the question, which would be strange considering that, judging from almost every thread in this blog, Race Is The Subject That Not Only Interests But Obsesses Also “Americans’. The second, b), could be that everyone feels uncomfortable face to the question, they rather not talk about it. One third possibility would be also that the question has an obvious answer, something not even worth asking about but that is not the kind of question this is, specially a multiple answer question, I reckon. In the case of an unanswered question I’ll take b).

    In any case this reminds me of a story attributed to Heinrich Himmler, the SS chief. I don’t know if it is true but it sounds like true to me. It is told that at some point he was feeling sick, I think it was the liver, and so he ordered his acolytes to go and bring him the best specialist in Germany. So they did and came back with a doctor who happened to be guess what…a Jew. Despite this fact Himmler accepted his services and the doctor treated him and cured him. Himmler was so satisfied that he decided to keep him as his specialist for that kind of ailment. But when called to his office to tell him the news, the doctor was so uncomfortable with the news that he was wishing a hole opened in the ground to swallow him. Finally he was able to mutter, shaking, the words he had to say: “But, Herr Himmler, I am a Jew” Himmler looked at him directly at his eyes, and coldly said: “Dear doctor, We are the ones who say here who is a Jew and who is not”. I don’t know if this really happened but anyway, if I don’t have an answer to my question within the near future I will have to assume the same thing is happening in “America’ with “being White”. (“We say Tutu Boy Edgar Hoover is White so he is”)

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  269. @Anonymous

    The 90 IQ crew would not have made it to 5,000 hours (except in a simulator).

  270. BlackFlag says:
    @Tom Marvolo Riddle

    There are 3 axes: verbal, spatial, and logic.
    Verbal – reading, writing, oratory, propaganda, vocabulary.
    Logic – algebra, legal analysis, problem-solving, coding.
    Spatial – dentistry, mechanics, HVAC, organic chemistry, not getting lost.

    Spatial intelligence is not so important at the high levels of influence in modern society.

  271. Michelle says:
    @James J O'Meara

    You have completely misunderstood my point. What if Asians have an advantage in math, due to the fact that their languages better facilitate math instructions.

  272. Marylou says:
    @ben sampson

    Katherine Johnson.
    So she was a product of Jim Crow. Interesting.
    In the seventies I talked to a former Jim Crow black teacher . She did not like at all how things developed with integration.
    Come to think of it, half a mile from my house is the site of an old black Jim Crow school.
    Blacks were allowed to go to school? Did they have a dumbed down curriculum or did they use the same books as white kids?
    I just read about a black lady who went to a ‘finishing’school for young black women.
    Where did Katherine Johnson get her education?

    A lot of questions arise.
    Had Jim Crow continued, would Blacks evtl. have formed a successive parallel culture?

    This big mess we are in now, is that all artificial and by plan? Not asking you, just musing.

    • Replies: @ben sampson
  273. T.Rebon says:
    @restless94110

    This flaw in logic and understanding–like Freddy’s flaw regarding the laws of physics re 9-11–reveals Fred’s own lack of high IQ.

    Hello, i am always interested in new laws of physics. So tell me where is the explosion bang every building blasting has. Alternatively, tell me how did they avoid that. This must be a fascinating new approach to noise cancelling.

    • Replies: @restless94110
  274. @Marylou

    where did katherine Johnson get her education if the Jim Crow schooling was dumbed down?
    that is a question the white racist superiors here ought to be asking themselves.

    I can think of many indirect and alternative ways the Black teachers found to ensure her talent got developed. and Katherine herself understood early what she was in and no doubt went on, looking to educate herself as well and additionally

    the people in her education no doubt got a lot to her however, and she went on to compete with and surpass whites in open society…all of whom went to ‘better’ schools! by the time she got to NASA all her initiative had resulted in a strong determined thinker absolutely efficient, cautious.. with making sure she was always right embedded in her process.

    put her to task and that is what you always got…totally brilliant efficiency you could bet your life on. and that is what the first astronauts did

    how then are whites superior when there are such Black people products of the worst social conditions know to humanity, surviving anyway, and surpassing whites in open social competition. and they talk about Black inferiority!

    interesting!

    and you know white people lie all the time…especially with their “Discovery” thing! you know how they discovered america and so on…as if america was not there all the time. Africa as well, eons of time before white people delineated out of Black people.

    Part of social progress includes going back to what was in a manner of description. it is never the same but the feature is that the world will come again to the freedom of those who became enslaved and dominated. already we can see where Black people will be socially, and its a good place, a place where all will be free and equal society organized to produce such human progress, with Black people having played a major part in such development
    .

  275. The moment Louis Terman’s Genetic Studies of Genius hit the bigtop, APA actively worked against it. Same thing on the Experimental Psychology side (APA outcasts at the time [and still]) with Tryon’s obvious strains of maze-bright and maze-dull rats after selective breeding. So, it was a firestorm starting in the 1920’s that continues to this day.

    The basic problem also traces back to the progressive movement in the early 1900’s in which any type of difference in the normal population distribution, in any attribute, was generally denied. And, if acknowledged, attributed solely to the environment. They still deny differences in normal population distributions to this day, and it has gotten worse and worse.

    “No child left behind”, anyone?

  276. @Chinaman

    Good to see you back, “Chinaman”. We missed you too…Welcome Home.

  277. @Joe Paluka

    @ Joe Paluka

    Re: ” An illiterate or barely illiterate man has diminished powers of discrimination and is more easily manipulated.”

    “Bingo – give that man a cigar!” as Groucho Marx used to say. The Founders spoke, wrote and thought a great deal about the link between being intelligent and well-educated and living as free people. Intelligent and well-educated people have little need of a large, expensive and paternalistic government to care for them as if they were still children. Whereas, a childlike and ignorant people can be more-easily corralled and exploited sheared like the sheep they are.

    The dilution of the largely Northern European stock of the U.S. circa 1964 and before, was the primary – if unstated – goal of the Hart-Celler Act of 1965, which opened the floodgates to the diaspora of the Third World.

    There is a particularly pernicious myth which the Cultural Marxists have peddled successfully for many years, that the people who comprise or form a nation are of no consequence to its characteristics. This is a baldfaced lie, a complete inversion of the truth. Ethiopia is Ethiopia because it is full of Ethiopians, and if you remove them and substitute – say natives of Namibia – in their place, Ethiopia will cease being what it has always been.

    And we now wonder why Minneapolis-St. Paul, Minnesota, is now known as “Little Mogadishu” and seems to resemble that place more and more by the day! Well, the answer is right in front of our noses: Minneapolis-St. Paul as it once was – existed because it was full of people of a certain kind, many of a certain ancestry, i.e., people of Northern European and Scandinavian extraction. When large numbers of Somalis were admitted to this country and settled there, they rapidly – and quite predictably – turned it into a facsimile of that city in Somalia.

  278. @T.Rebon

    Nothing new there, hoss

    The laws of physics do not allow massive steel and concrete buildings to go into freefall straight into their own footprint.

    That’s an old law that will never ever change. Even high school physics teachers (in Visalia) have pointed this eternal and old ancient law of physics out–for 20 years now.

    Where have you been?

  279. Sulu says:

    No.That could not be, Sherlock Holmes. Or more like Inspector Clouseau.

    Bullshit. Despite your feeble protests to the contrary it’s pretty obvious that I hit the nail right on the head. You are just another uneducated dumbass with a big mouth and no understanding of logic. Your only recourse when confronted by the concept of education is to whine and loudly proclaim that you are not impressed by credentials. Again, sour grapes. You obviously don’t have any education ( as judged by your poor writing style) so it must not be important. Typical response from a stupid uneducated lout. I have seen it all my life.

    Since you are not impressed with education I won’t bother to tell you that I also have a B.A. as well as a B.S. I usually don’t mention it because as I said everyone knows that a B.S. is worth more than a B.A. Oh, I also hold a pilot’s license, a ham radio license and a scuba license with about 600 dives in the Pacific Ocean. Also I quit counting how many times I have crossed the Pacific Ocean when I got to 50 times.

    Why don’t you tell me how many times you have been thrown out of your local bar for being a loudmouth drunk?

    Sulu

  280. Sulu says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    I never understood the antagonism the Pinoys feel about the Americans.

    We have more brains, more money, bigger dicks and better looks that the pinoy men. They are outclassed and they know it.

    Sulu

  281. Sulu says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Not a thing I can add to that. You definitely have the pulse of America as well as the P.I.

    I first went to the P.I. about 30 years ago and very quickly got addicted to the pussy. Not too long after got into scuba diving and the whole ex pat experience. Spent twenty years of my life over there, give or take a bit. Don’t know why in the hell I came back 8 years ago. I knew America was a on a slow road to hell. But I would have never guessed that things we going to go into high gear like they have done. I expect another big market crash and Weimar Germany like hyper-inflation that will most likely wipe my savings out. One of the reasons I don’t go back is because I’m afraid of being in country and having the dollar suddenly be worth nothing.

    Sulu

  282. Jews do not consider themselves to be White, which is why THEY are behind CRT and the rest of the racism.

    A significant majority of them in the West (70-75%) fondly remember the “good old days” of their Messiahs – Lenin and Stalin – who they helped murder FIFTY MILLION across Russia and Eastern Europe. But those surely do not count since they were mostly only Goyim!!! Bernie’s campaign claimed the gulags “paid a living wage.” Bernie never repudiated that. Have the Jews repudiated Bernie???

  283. El'geherg says:

    Saying “Suggesting that Jews are smarter than other whites” in your second paragraph reveals that the rest will likely be as moronic so thanks for getting that out there at the outset and saving me from bothering to read further.

  284. Fred is generally right but he is wrong about Indians and the Chinese. I believe the Chinese are, on average, at the same IQ level as most whites. Indians? Hardly. The Indians and Chinese we see are hardly a representative sample of their home populations. As for hard sciences, white men invented them for the most part. Whites are lagging due to cultural changes. Integration destroyed many things and a disciplined school environment is one. Asian parents tend to push their kids, sometimes to brutal lengths. You get a bunch of highly-educated nerds. Jews? No question most are smart but other behavioral factors often distort their gifts.

  285. I just find it unnerving and dirty to be around niggers. They are such low iq hominids that ones knows there is no reasoning with it and they could erupt in bizarre behavior at any moment. Best we keep them isolated or caged.

  286. @obwandiyag

    Very well put indeed.

    Consider the following explanation of why whether an equal amount paid sooner is a higher rate mathematically is a question of law, and not of fact:

    It has long been said…that interest at the rate of ten percent per annum calculated monthly is more than 10% per annum calculated yearly. This is so only if one assumes the recipient of the monthly payment puts the money to work during the balance of the year and consequently accumulates interest. Such is not the case if x percentum per annum is payable annually. If one does not make the assumption that the interest is reinvested during the balance of the year then ten percent per annum is the same whether paid annually or monthly. Hence the issue here really involves the application, as a quasi-rule of law, of the reinvestment principle.

    The key words are “that interest at the rate of ten percent per annum calculated monthly is more than 10% per annum calculated yearly…”

    But more what? More interest money (a greater amount) – or the same amount at a greater rate? The question is framed to beg that question and is balanced by his opening false premise that a question of mathematical calculation is somehow dependent on the beliefs of the masses (“It has long been said”).

    Regardless, by objective standards, what is this man’s IQ?

    Answer: He’s an imbecile. A kind of global-village-idiot.

    But in the real world he was also a White male Justice of the Supreme Court.

    Under his reasoning and ruling, 100% in advance is the same as 100% at the end of one year – an obvious absurdity, but which apparently escaped his ad hoc or selective level of intelligence.

    IQ is at best increasingly irrelevant in a world that is ever-increasingly controlled and administered by people who genuinely believe whatever is necessary for the answer they need.

    Administrative agents of the entrenched-money-power have solved the criminal-law enigma of mens rea or guilty mind by evolving or devolving (take your pick) into professional-schizophrenics.

  287. Patricus says:
    @Anita Patel

    It probably indicates that Chinese and many Indians are more inclined to study engineering, science and math. I’ve read that some 40% of Chinese college students focus on the sciences and engineering. That’s great but it must be discouraging for them to learn that the most technically advanced economies need less than 1% of the population to be adept in these subjects. We only need so many engineers and scientists. Those who are adept should be respected but these technological professionals play a very small part in a national economy. There are countless other useful occupations. As one who studied physical sciences it mystifies me that many look to “scientists” as some kind of intellectual and moral elite. Envious non-scientists are probably not aware of the crude, childish and moronic humor in laboratories. These are simply people who put a lot of hours into physics, chemistry and math. Many are rather awkward with written words or verbal skills.

    • Replies: @gatobart
  288. “That’s great but it must be discouraging for them to learn that the most technically advanced economies need less than 1% of the population to be adept in these subjects. ”

    Given the state of global economies, it’s safe bet that high IQ’s are hardly the answer to sound economics. Hence the invention of “crypto currencies” intended to replace the dollar.

    “More than 10,000 different cryptocurrencies are traded publicly, according to CoinMarketCap.com, a market research website. And cryptocurrencies continue to proliferate, raising money through initial coin offerings, or ICOs. The total value of all cryptocurrencies on May 27, 2021, was more than $1.7 trillion — down from April high of $2.2 trillion, according to CoinMarketCap. The total value of all bitcoins, the most popular digital currency, was pegged at about $735 billion — down from April high of $1.2 trillion.”

    Backed by what?

    ” . . . That’s what’s called “the greater fool” theory of investment. Contrast that to a well-managed business, which increases its value over time by growing the profitability and cash flow of the operation.”

    https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/investing/cryptocurrency-7-things-to-know#1.-what-is-cryptocurrency

    None of which answers the essential or central problems with the current system which is itself based on “floating” values as opposed to something locked of value or the failure to adjust methods of valuing the current economic model that current GDP models don’t measure up.

    Wall street hired physicists because they could calculate out models by astronomical lengths without considering that the further out you predict the less stable the predictions because of error factors or including variables which themselves could be identified of consequence in the real world of money — by real world , I mean what actually transpires in real time and space or worse yet included factors known to be deviant such housing tranches of varying values lumped into the highest value set.

    Genius in high demand but perhaps over valued of (laugh) over educated or overly smart.

    Old school: the measure of something created for use has the highest value if the general population has access to its benefits or innately desires it.

  289. Sulu says:

    Why do white boomers migrate to Asia if they hate it so much?

    For the pussy, for God’s sake. About the only thing the P.I. has besides pussy is scuba diving and hot weather. Everything else there is pretty much fucked up.

    It’s fucked in America too but a totally different flavor of fucked. In America the Jews are conducting a undeclared war on White people. If you are in the P.I. and White you are at the top of the food chain. Where would you want to live if you’re White?

    Sulu

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  290. @Sulu

    Not the whole truth (Though part of it).

    You can live in a nice subdivision with security guards at the guard post. All for $1500 a month.

    It comes down living well in a third world country or living like a third worlder in the USA.

  291. Meimou says:
    @gatobart

    I curious about this White versus Black (or colored in general) thing you got going on in the US which in some respects is like the row they had in Nazi Germany about who was an Aryan and, even more important if one cared about his own safety and life, who was a Jew are who wasn’t

    Was there really a row about who was “Ayran” or not?

    Uh, seven hours and not one single answer to my question about who among the dozen personalities I listed is, or may be considered, 100% White in “America”.

    Race is an important subject at Unz.com but the level of admixture in some celiberty is not. You’re not giving us enough credit…but I will humor you.

    More directly my multi-answer question would b e who among these below would be considered bona fida White and who wouldn’t:

    Edgar Hoover (obviously part Black)
    Antonio Banderas (dark skinned European)
    Burt Reynolds (part Cherokee, and a good part)
    James Garner (part Cherokee)
    Megan Fox (Powhatan Native American)
    Angeline Jolie (Mohawk)
    Tommy Lee Jones (part Cherokee)
    Robert Forster (dark skinned European)
    Cameron Diaz (part Cherokee)
    Chuck Norris (half Cherokee)

    All of them are white except Banderas. I don’t know who Garner is.

    Wait, Banderas is Spanish right? Ok, he’s white.

    If you posted your question at VNN or stormfront I’m sure those basement dwellers would see it as red meat, but at Unz I’d like to think we are more cerebral.

    • Replies: @gatobart
  292. gatobart says:
    @Patricus

    As one who studied physical sciences it mystifies me that many look to “scientists” as some kind of intellectual and moral elite. Envious non-scientists are probably not aware of the crude, childish and moronic humor in laboratories.

    According to James “The Amazing” Randi, scientists are also the easiest to fool by charlatans and fraudsters plying their trade in the world of the paranormal and that of psychics. Amazingly enough, the very people who are supposed to be the greatest believers in the Laws of Nature would be the first ones ready to lose their trust in them and abandon them.

  293. gatobart says:
    @Meimou

    Was there really a row about who was “Ayran” or not?

    That’s Aryan, not “Ayran”, sir. Now According to my research, the Nazis were baffled when finding some individuals in those nations they had invaded, specially in the East, who presented physical characteristics that would make them true Aryan (blonde, blue eyes, etc), i.e. they were making the cut, despite the fact of belonging to families classified as Slav and/or Jewish. In other words, these individuals passed the Nazi Aryan test. Which leads me to believe that there was a wide grey area between their own superior race and the other inferior ones and that a good number of the people they found in their conquests fell into this grey area, which was something perhaps they hadn’t expected. And your answer, far from re-assuring me that the case is different now with this “White or not White” thing in the U.S. is more grounded on reality, is showing me that the opposite is the case because you are proving that among you this “We are the ones who say who is White and who is not” is even more arbitrary in your country. I really feel now like that Jewish doctor face to another (less cruel and bloody I suppose) Himmler with the difference that I am not a Jew and I am not speaking in my behalf but for some individuals other than me:

    Edgar Hoover is the clincher. You declared him right off the bat “White” when the guy was just a few brush strokes away from Bill Cosby. Even myself, when growing up on the other side of the world in South America, when watching pictures of this guy wondered how could that possible be that such a racist country as the U.S. was at the time could have a Black Chief of the Police…! As for the most interested part, Blacks in the U.S., they never took him for a White but simply as a Black “who had passed”, i.e., one of them who had gathered genetic material stuff enough to be able to pass himself for White and so becoming free from racial discrimination. So, not only you haven’t answered my question, even if I would say you answered it by proving me that the “natural selection” in this case if even more arbitrary that whatever the Nazis could achieve and that even Himmler would have been unable to bring himself to act that way. There is also the question of Indian genes of course. Many of those in the list I wrote claim themselves to have that American Native ascendancy even if in one or two of their cases that hasn’t been proved and if they were all here they would loudly protest you picking them as pure White; and probably the most vocal would have been Chuck Norris who claims to be of both in equal part, half White and half Cherokee. And that is no joke.

    I any case, i can’t take you seriously, as your answer is a joke so I can only take it as a joke. Because come on, you declare Banderas a White guy AFTER you remembered he was Spanish, which means he wasn’t so when you thought he was Mexican/Portorrican. So Benicio del Toro will never be White because he is a Portorrican, despite the fact that he doesn’t look much different from Banderas. And what about Karla Souza, a light skinned, blue eyed, Mexican actress who nevertheless looks Whiter than Megan Fox….? She wouldn’t be White either, because he is Mexican. So your way of selecting them makes a travesty of any racial classification because you would have to ask people first from which country they come before been able to say if they White or not.

    Maybe that’s the real reason why there is so hard to get a response from you people, because when you try to explain it you get into a jam of a logical, or rather illogical, mess from which you can’t possible escape.

  294. @obwandiyag

    Maybe he just made a wild assumption after seeing your pants being worn down below your ass.

  295. @Uncle Sam

    Cleverness and conniving to come out on top, regardless of circumstances, is often mistaken for high intelligence.

  296. @obwandiyag

    Take computer coding. The most boring thing in the world.

    … like watching two chess masters at play?

  297. Jett Rucker says: • Website

    The sixth word of this article (count ’em – did you notice it?) is a one-letter typo in a two-letter word.

    I didn’t read the rest. Once burnt (by utter absence of editing) …

    Maybe I’m the first person to actually read the article. There’s one born every minute.

  298. Jett Rucker says: • Website
    @obwandiyag

    the small number of rich whites over the much larger number of rich whites

    WTF? I’d have said the number described was 1, but the apparent denominator is “much larger” than the identically described numerator.

    Maybe I can’t read anymore. 76 years. It was a good run, no?

  299. Hodad says:

    I am somewhat a rube, so I find it immensely entertaining to watch people who are smarter than me argue over intelligence.

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  300. You don’t need IQ tests to know blacks are extremely inferior mentally.

    1. Black-americans come in last in all standardized tests. Asian-americans do fine on all the tests so it’s not due to cultural bias in the tests.

    2. Africa is by far the poorest and most backward continent on the planet. All of black africa is now controlled by blacks and has been for decades so it’s not due to racism.

    3. No black has ever won a Science Nobel Prize unless you count one in 1979 for the semi-science of economics. They have won many nobels in non-brain fields like Peace and also in Literature so it is not due to racism.

    4. Out of 1552 chess grandmasters in the world, only THREE are black.

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  301. sulu says:
    @ben sampson

    Yeah, that’s right. Every bit of black dysfunction is the White man’s fault. None of it can be laid at the feet of blacks. Or at least that is the cock and bull story that the Jew owned media has been spoon feeding you for decades. And of course inferior people such as blacks eat it up like next month’s welfare check because it is so much less painful to blame someone else for where you are than to look in the mirror and admit your own shortcomings.

    If you see black excellence around you then all I have done is interrupt a pipe dream. Most probably a literal pipe dream.

    Sulu

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  302. @Hodad

    me too! and I have had my 76 similarly!

  303. @sulu

    Mister! Why don’t You shut off the cock and bull you are likely paid to spill all over the place for obvious purposes by the obvious money bags!!!

    what do you know about life if you keep chatting all this nonsense all the time…all lies, total foolishness. you talk about delusion! what the hell about yours?

    where do you see Black inferiority white superiority?

    do you see it in the ‘discovery’ of the world by Europe as it spread around the planet in white supremacy, conquest, genocide and total exploitation of people of color of planet earth?

    do you see it in the lies of human biology that are still being spread in the face of the truth of Africa as the home of the human species?

    Have you ever taken a good look at Africa and the population of that continent? if you have how in the hell can you keep on relentlessly chatting the utter shit you keep screaming here?

    there in Africa right now are the types from which all humans came from…there right now NOW!. go see for yourself! Black African men and women, coupled of dark skim make perfectly white babies…Albinos they are called.

    the whole migratory pattern of ancient peoples are now known and the story of all peoples regularized. we know who came from where in African and when, hot they continued evolving into the genotypes they currently are. we know where the Indians came from and who they evolved out of, the Europeans, the Australians etc.

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    and at the root of every ethnic group of humans on the planet, look closely and you will see there are Black people there, at the root, still, from original times. and also the historical representation the evidence is still there in the historical record, not to mention the blood markers. the human species is the most huge, the biggest incest project ever conceived and plotted in the universe as we know it. that fact makes us all related by blood. the whole human species is a related consanguineous factor.

    why don’t you try proving that to be wrong then?

    and if all humans came from the same source, undeniable now, what in the hell makes you more excellent than I am, superior to me? just you skin? I gave you that too!

    I am you father and mother for Christ sakes! I can be blamed only for not spanking you behind hard for you nasty attitude and behavior growing up. I let you get out of hand and you have never looked back.

    you became a goddamn liar and thief, mass killer and genocidal monster, sexual predator, pedophile and homosexual… and WAR MONGER LIKE NO OTHER! war monger who is behind all the trouble in the world. the life we have and live is cause and effect. what you do, what we all do produces results which go into the production or more and more like-results even as we continue doing the dangerous crap that keeps producing the massive negativity. so if we wish to have a world in line with the needs of human survival we must discover what we must do for that purpose and do it in order to produce the results that would keep us going indefinitely

    but what you is the opposite with you constant rape of the planet, human exploitation and mass crime against humanity! that is what you do with your exploitation all the time…your corporations that rape the planet, war and machines of war all over the place, constant, devious games to loot nations and peoples, contact response relevant to such importuning of the people of the planet to produce this current violent disaster you yourself blame on black people. but it is not us..it is you

    but black people were not initiatory of all of this, were not the deciders and defining actors, made no atomic weapons and dropped them on others of the incestuous human species that proves we are all related. It is you, you, you all the way for Christ sakes who murder your own family, blood kith and kin.

    YOU TALK ABOUT BLACK CAUSATION! INCREDIBLE! LOOK HERE! SHOW ME THE BLACK NATION ANYWHERE IN WHIHC POSITIVE NATIONALIST ANDPOPULAR LEADERSHIP RISES UP AND LEADS IN THE PROPER MOST POSTIVE DIRECTION FOR THE PEOPLE! WHAT HAPPENS- HAS HAPENED – TO THAT LEADERSHIP…AND NATION?

    JUST TAKE A LOOK AT THE MOST RECENT TANZANIN PRESIDNET WHO FOUGHT THE STUPID COVIF PANDEMIC IN HIS COUNTRY BY NOT IMPOSING ON HIS PEOPLE. ‘HE WOKE UP DEAD DID HE NOT! HIS POLCIES CHANGED BY THE PUPPENT PUT IN HIS PLACE, ALL HIS APPOINTEES DISMISSED OR KILLED-OFF THEMSLVES

    AND IF THAT FAILED THE AMERICANS WOULD HAVE INAVADED DIRECTLY AND KILLED OFF AL THE PROGRESSIVE PEOPLE DIRECTLY INCLDUING THE PRESIDENT LEAVING ONLY THE PUPPET ASSHOLES IN CHARGE.

    THAT IS THE REALITY, THE TRUTH EVERYWHERE THERE ARE BLACK NATIONS/PEOPLE IN THE WORLD…OPPRESSED COMPREHESNIVELY, STAMPED DOWN BY THE WESTERN POWER. LITERALLY STAMPED DOWN, SHUT DOWN! DO NOT RISE UP PERIOD

    LOOK AT WHAT THE AMERICANS HAVE DONE TO CUBA FOR SIXTY YEARS AND COUNTING YEARS NOW IN OUR TIME! AND THE CUBANS HAVE BO BENT. AND WHO ARE THE CUBANS..90% AFRICAN TYPE PEOPLE. AND OF COURSE BY ANCIENT RALITY EVEN THE WHITE CUBAN PEOPLE ARE ‘SUFFUSED BY AND WITH MOORISH BLOOD’

    VENEZUELA CURRENTLY AS WELL AND A SOME OTHER NATIONS, ALOS UNDER THE AMERICAN BOOT FOR RESISTANCE TO AMERIAN DOMINATION..A DOMINATION THAT HAS NO INTENTION OF MAKING A LIFE IN WHICH BLACK PEOPLE CAN PROSPER AT ANY AND ALL LEVELS OF LIFE

    WHAT THE HELL DO YOU CALL ANY BLACK SUCCESS AT ALL IN SUCH MASSIVLE DRACONIAN DARKESS DEVELOPED TO KEEP YOU DOWN…IF NOR EXCELLENCE? THAT IS WHAT I SEE AROUND ME IN THE BLACK SUCCESS I HAVE SEEN ALL MY LIFE…PURE NAKED EXEMPLARY HUMAN EXCELLENCE..NOTHNG YOU YOURSELF CAN COMPARE WITH

    THAT IF NOT EXCELLENCE YOU IDIOT SPY, PUPPET, SIGNER FOR CHANGE TOSSED ON THE FLOOR YOU MUST PICK UP TO EAT YOU LUNCH

    Martin Luther King and Malcolm X…can you imagine 2 more impressive leaders than those 2, excellent leaders and people. that’s right assassinated! how many more excellent Black American leaders have been assassinated over the past 275 years? there were lots of them so assassinated

    that’s right look around you and what you see of black people under this global American dominated regime is excellent, par excellent by those who get above the ordinary and shine regardless…brilliant people performing in excelsis where they are not killed and otherwise dismissed

    you look around you and see lots of ignorant mindless black people the subjects and victims of a centuries of the most brutal exploitation and social repression imaginable so what do you expect of them but what they express? you cant be what you are not by the general content of the society you are part of…or the part of that society and its content you have been restricted to during that time

    it is you who do all the nastiness on planet earth threaten the very existence of the human species ..as you are doing right now with the Covid 19 and the vaccines. did Black people supress the proper regular medicinal responses that are effective to any flu, replacing them with vaccines that are likely depopulating the human species?

    Black people did not do that..it is you who did it. you have brought the human species to the brink now that your time has run out and human society must move on. you cant stand it so you are prepared to kill-off the human species to save just a few million rich white people.

    and they are going to kill you too you ordinary jackass for they have no use for you if you are not Jewish and rich or generally white and totally rich. so I doubt you are a billionaire who spends his time screaming shit on the UNZ. you are ordinary, therefore you ought to be looking for your coffin as well for for sure you are going down like we all are under Covid vaccines. that is if we do not smarten up, rise up out in the streets and turn this society over and right around

    so you in your puppetry do not only sing for your lunch from the coinage tossed on the floor at your feet, you are singing for your coffin as well

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  304. @Hang All Text Drivers

    Idiots would pay rapt attention to this comment for what is likely the intended purpose of its producer…to mesmerize and stultify the intelligence on race in all who stops by

    others who may stop by and ponder, if they do not see through likely ploy immediately would pay attention in effort to figure out what is the author’s purpose, in whose interest he may have produce and hung this up here: and is he therefore a dancer for coins for like like the Sulu poster above, dancing for coins to earn his lunch, or does he really believe what he claims?

    But of course if ‘….Taxi Driver’ actually believes what he claims therein it is he of course who is the idiot, not Black people

    of course the poster/commentator is also likely to about snaring such as I into responsive commentary on his his suggestive nonsense to extend this thread, or just simply because he thinks he can manipulate such nig nogs as myself easily because we are nig nog intellectual incompetents.

    well in this case he is absolutely right

  305. “”Yeah, that’s right. Every bit of black dysfunction is the White man’s fault. None of it can be laid at the feet of black””

    look here! from the start the white western powers took on control of the Black nations and peoples for their profit. you assumed full responsibility for the by which |I mean control to exploit them fully by colonialism

    then to cut costs and by the rise of the financial power you gave independence to the colonies but took their central banks in the process for obvious reasons. then you developed navies for invasions, CIA’s for clandestine interventions/assassinations, and color revolutions to remove troublesome governments, or prevent their rise in the first place

    there is little to nothing any Black nation in the world or peoples anywhere can do progressively in their own best interest therefore, that is not in opposition to the western interest. the western interest is organized therefor to stop the black nations and peoples everywhere from doing that which is positive for themselves, ensuring that they are a totally captive

    THAT BEING THE CASE, THEN WHO IN THE HELL IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THE BLACK DYSFUNCTION ON PLANET EARTH PERIOD!!!????

    It is not that Black people are actually doing the dysfunctional thinks but that the white power is doing it then blaming it on the Black people involved. so that the white western powers are responsible for it all, all the dysfunction, commission, omission and every other way dysfunctions arise in Black life.

    Black people are not free anywhere on planet Earth to do freely as they see fit for themselves in existence. why not prove differently if you can?

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  306. Whitewolf says:
    @anonymous

    So do boys, but the Woke will never accept that. Or, if they do, it represents a defect in the system which must be corrected.

    More like a defect in reality which needs to be corrected.

    The system doesn’t create differences in ability whether it be mental or physical. Those are created by nature.

  307. gatobart says:
    @ben sampson

    Sorry to rain in your parade but…you whine and whine about how bad the White man has been to Blacks for centuries but…where is the African/Black Che Guevara in all this, where is the leader who rises and leads the fight of the oppressed against the oppressor…? Where is the African Fidel Castro, the African Daniel Ortega, the African Ho Chi Mhin, the African George Washington…? Nowhere to be seen it seems. But on the other hand we have African tin pot dictators like Idi Amin Dada, Mobutu Sese Seko, Emperor Bokassa, who used to kill and eat boys and who even had his frigo well supplied with body parts in case of a midnight snack. There have been almost no opposing heroic figures to them, and one of the rare examples was that of Patrice Lumumba, president of Congo who was betrayed and murdered by some of his pals in government.

    But there have been in fact two African revolutionaries who fought with arms in their hands to free their countries from colonial rule, Portuguese in this case, and one of them was Agostinho Neto of Angola, yet his fight would have taken him nowhere hadn’t been for the Cuban Expeditionary force Fidel Castro sent in the mid-70s to fight off the Sud African forces sent by Pretoria to invade Angola and destroy the Angolan fight for Independence. The other one was Samora Machel in Mozambique, even if there wasn’t much of a fight there as the Portuguese colonial control of this country, as of that of Angola, collapsed in 1975 with the Carnation Revolution who ended the long Salazarista military dictatorship is Lisbon. There is one thing that apparently many African Blacks find hard to get is that is that to get the nice things they see others having you have to fight, and fight hard sometimes, those things won’t fall in your lap as Mana sent by God. Their acquisition generally are the result of a hard, costly and sometimes desperate struggle. Just ask the Asians who arrived without anything to the US and fought hard to have business and prosper and to be able to give a better future to their kids and who at the end reaped what they sow with their hard honest work by having their business torched when Blacks riot, when they protest “peacefully” or when some Black attacks their older with bricks and stones. I have never heard or seeing Asians, or Arabs or Latinos whining and whining about the Bad White Man not giving them what their deserve. No, all them fight for what they think they deserve. Anyway, this below is what no other Che Guevara had to say, in a letter to Fidel Castro, about the fighting quality of the African revolutionary soldiers he had gone to give a helping hand in liberating Congo and also about their leaders. And notice that he was being diplomatic in his words as he was talking about the people who were his brothers in arms in the occasion:

    “There are two zones where something of an organised revolution exists – the one where we ourselves are, and part of Kasai province (the great unknown quantity) where Mulele [Pierre Mulele, former minister under Lumumba and the first leader to take up arms] is based. In the rest of the country there are bands living in the forest, not connected to one another; they lost everything without a fight, as they lost Stanleyville without a fight. More serious than this, however, is the way in which the groups in this area (the only one with contacts to the outside) relate to one another.
    The dissensions between Kabila [then second vice-president of the Supreme Council of the Revolution and head of the eastern front where Guevara was] and Soumialot are becoming more serious all the time, and are used as a pretext to keep handing towns over without a fight. I know Kabila well enough not to have any illusions about him. I cannot say the same about Soumialot, but I have some indications such as the string of lies he has been feeding you, the fact that he does not deign to come to these godforsaken parts, his frequent bouts of drunkenness in Dar es Salaam, where he lives in the best hotels, and the kind of people he has as allies here against the other group.
    Recently a group from the Tshombist [pro-government] army landed, in the Baraka area (where a major-general loyal to Soumialot has no fewer than a thousand armed men) and captured this strategically important place almost without a fight. Now they are arguing about who was to blame – those who did not put up a fight, or those at the lake who did not send enough ammunition. The fact is that they shamelessly ran away, ditching in the open a 75mm recoilless gun and two 82 mortars; all the men assigned to these weapons have disappeared, and now they are asking me for Cubans to get them back from wherever they are (no one quite knows where) and to use them in battle.
    Nor are they doing anything to defend Fizi, 36km from here; they don’t want to dig trenches on the only access road through the mountains. This will give you a faint idea of the situation. As for the need to choose men well rather than send me large numbers, you and the commissar assure me that the men here are good; I’m sure most of them are – otherwise they’d have quit long ago. But that’s not the point. You have to be really well tempered to put up with the things that happen here. It’s not good men but supermen that are needed…

    And there are still my 200; believe me, they would do more harm than good at the present time – unless we decide once and for all to fight alone, in which case we’ll need a division and we’ll have to see how many the enemy put up against us. Maybe that’s a bit of an exaggeration; maybe a battalion would be enough to get back to the frontiers we had when we arrived here and to threaten Albertville.

    But numbers are not what matters; we can’t liberate by ourselves a country that does not want to fight; you’ve got to create a fighting spirit and look for soldiers with the torch of Diogenes and the patience of Job – a task that becomes more difficult, the more shits there are doing things along the way.

    The business with the money is what hurts me most, after all the warnings I gave. At the height of my “spending spree” and only after they had kicked up a lot of fuss, I undertook to supply one front (the most important one) on condition that I would direct the struggle and form a special mixed column under my direct command, in accordance with the strategy that I outlined and communicated to you.

    With a very heavy heart, I calculated that it would require $5,000 a month. Now I learn that a sum 20 times higher is given to people who pass through just once, so that they can live well in all the capitals of the African world, with no allowance for the fact that they receive free board and lodging and often their travel costs from the main progressive countries. Not a cent will reach a wretched front where the peasants suffer every misery you can imagine, including the rapaciousness of their own protectors; nor will anything get through to the poor devils stuck In Sudan. (Whisky and women are not on the list of expenses covered by friendly governments, and they cost a lot if you want quality.)

    Finally, 50 doctors will give the liberated area of the Congo an enviable proportion of one per thousand inhabitants – a level surpassed only by the USSR, the United States and two or three of the most advanced countries in the world. But no allowance is made for the fact that here they are distributed according to political preference, without a trace of public health organisation. Instead of such gigantism, it would be better to send a contingent of revolutionary doctors and to increase it as I request, along with highly practical nurses of a similar kind.

    As the attached map sums up the military situation, I shall limit myself to a few recommendations that I would ask you all to consider objectively: forget all the men in charge of phantom groups; train up to a hundred cadres (not necessarily all blacks)… As for weapons: the new bazooka, percussion caps with their own power supply, a few R-4s and nothing else for the moment; forget about rifles, which won’t solve anything unless they are electronic. Our mortars must be in Tanzania, and with those plus a new complement of men to operate them we would have more than enough for now. Forget about Burundi and tactfully discuss the question of the launches. (Don’t forget that Tanzania is an independent country and we’ve got to play it fair there, leaving aside the little problem I caused.)

    Send the mechanics as soon as possible, as well as someone who can steer across the lake reasonably safely; that has been discussed and Tanzania has agreed. Leave me to handle the problem of the doctors, which I will do by giving some of them to Tanzania. Don’t make the mistake again of dishing out money like that; for they cling to me when they feel hard up and certainly won’t pay me any attention if the money is flowing freely. Trust my judgment a little and don’t go by appearances. Shake the representatives into giving truthful information, because they are not capable of figuring things out and present utopian pictures which have nothing to do with reality.
    I have tried to be explicit and objective, synthetic and truthful. Do you believe me?”

    Wow, I don’t think anyone has ever had similar words to say about ANY Latin American or Asian or Arab revolutionary leader during their struggle for Independence.

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    , @Malla
  308. Sulu says:
    @ben sampson

    “A tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.”

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  309. @gatobart

    the way you began your post does not encourage continuation into its mass at all.

    what I described is self evident! I asked anyone to prove to the contrary…that the white man is arbiter of all Black social dysfunction the world over. what did I say that isn’t obviously true? where the hell did I whine untruthfully?

    Muamar Gaddafi was a Black man, leading a Black country brilliantly, like Castro did in Cuba, that Maduro is doing currently in Venezuela. the utterly disgusting Obama a black man like myself rubbed him out.

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    This was the most recent Black president to be rubbed out, by that other disgusting crap of a president Trump
    https://wetheworldmagazine.com/news/tanzania-pays-last-respect-to-late-president-magufuli/196391/

    I am not going back over what I said in my post immediately above. there is no whining about whites in my post. I don’t whine about western white capitalism. I speak the truth about it.

    western capitalists are no jokers! they are for real and have been very comprehensive and efficient. that means they have always covered all their options , and that has resulted in what we have configured among the dominated in the world currently…complete control! though seemingly eroding as we speak

    and I am not bothered about and by people like you Gator what? Gatorbart is it?

    you are no problem! neither is Sulu and such mouthers. the western capitalist has come for you too. you too are not meant to survive he next 2 to 5 years. you are meant to be Covid vaccination sacrifice for the good of the rich and elite’s future, in owning the whole planet for all 10 million of them, who are set to inherit the planet when all this is finally rendered.

    lets see! the hostilities between Putin, Zi and Biden is a paper fight. the real fight is between those 3, the elites they represent and the ordinary people of the world.

    the hostilities between the those 3 leaders is to prepare the way for a massive conventional war that all 3 have planned out, which along with the coming famine, and the established Covid vaccination programs.. which are the real killers not any virus… will result in the death of over 95% of the ordinary people of the wold…which is the point of it all, all of this that’s going on! the capitalist are comprehensive they know what they must do and surely they have all options covered and an end planned out. what could that be but a final solution to their problems

    and what are those problems? Marx told us! and the only way to really resolve them is to kill off the ordinary population. and that is what is developing right before our eyes.

    the real war is between the rich and the ordinary and that is what we see working out. I am not yet 100% certain but I am almost there. what I am looking for finally is verification of the state of the relationship between the Russian government and their people over Covid vaccinations.

    are the Russian people who are reportedly very leery of and reluctant to take the Russian vaccines are being forced by the Russian government to obey their instructions to take the vaccine?

    you see the truth is that the vaccines are not necessary at all…for any nation in the world. the Russians and Chinse would know this more so than anyone other informed factions in the world. so why did they make vaccinations that were unnecessary in the first place.. and in full form proceed to vaccinate their their people by the zillions.

    the Chinese purportedly have already vaccinated more than a billion Chinese! what in the hell for when there was no need for that?

    and now reportedly the Russian people are ‘reluctant!’ and the Putin government is getting rather angry and forceful about that. and I thought the Russian vaccine was benign and the Putin government was a popular people oriented government, would not harm a hair on a popular body?

    that the Chinese and Russians governments made vaccines at all makes then very suspicious entities relative to the interest of the elites in the world…the Western white Jewish billionaires, the same in Eastern Russian Federation, save the Russian whites are well…Eastern: and Chinese and Jewish billionaires in Beijing. these people, everywhere have more in common and class interest in cooperation not fighting each other. if they are gong to fight it is for themselves and against all ordinary people everywhere…Ordinary white people in Europe and the Americas, against the Chinese ordinary folk and of course wiping out Africa..in the process of Re-Setting the planet for themselves…all 10 million of themselves and their off-spring!

    Imagine lil Biden parcelling out lots of Africa for himself alone. Interesting! save there wont be lots of pussy around. or trannies and men if his tastes dithers around

    But you gatorbart should be fighting for your life. Sulu as well! all ordinary people. I don’t see any survival for you guys at the hands of those behind this that’s going on. they mean to get rid of of you too, as if that is not obvious. so I don’t know what you are going on with.

    we all, ordinary people have no future save we get up collectively now!, go out into the streets overwhelm the police, call on our children in the military not to shoot their parents and relatives brothers and sisters and to support the people as they go arrest Biden and Rothschilds, gates and Bezos and all the rich and put an end to them

  310. @Sulu

    you would know brilliantly what nothing is.

    that is what you have been doing so well all along…absolutely nothing!

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  311. gatobart says:

    Muamar Gaddafi was a Black man, leading a Black country brilliantly.

    Wow, we start with a falsehood. Qaddafi was not Black. In fact we can put a picture of each, side by side, of FBI’s Edgar Hoover and one of Qaddafi when both were young and ask someone who doesn’t know them who is the Black and they will most likely point to Hoover. He was a Bedouin, an ethnic group by itself which has dwelt in the North African desert and the Arabia peninsula for ages. These are some traditional fun games Bedouins use to engage in during seasonal festivals and meetings of tribes:

    “…poetry recitation and traditional sword dances to playing traditional instruments and even classes teaching traditional tent knitting. Traditions like camel riding and camping in the deserts are still popular leisure activities for urban Bedouins who live in close proximity to deserts or other wilderness areas”

    Wow, sword dancing, tent knitting and camel riding. That doesn’t look Black African at all to me.

    Gatobart is like, say, a cat called Bart, like Bart Simpson. If I had a cat I would probably call him Bart.

    I am interested to know, if the 10 million who form the world elite kill most of the population with Covid19, vaccines, whatever, then who they think will wake up them in the morning bringing them their coffee, who will slave in their companies, who will create the wealth that has made them so rich and powerful…? If you know your Marx you have to know also that is the profit that results after the working stiff had put his labor force to things so to transform them in goods and services which creates the wealth in society and the means to sustain it, so the day those working stiff are gone there will be no more creation of wealth and society will collapse in economic ruin. Karl Marx may have written that the Capitalists would be happy to produce whatever they produce without a working force because then they’d save labor costs, but that is just a fantasy because the Capitalist needs the working stiff anyway as a consumer of his goods and products, because he makes his profit only after they are sold”. So there would be suicidal for the elite to eliminate the main source of their income, their wealth, the working stiff, who doubles as consumer. Where would Gates be without the billions who use Wndows…?

    I gotta go now, things to do, maybe later I’ll address the other points.

  312. what does this apparent male want to do now… claim north African brown Gaddafi as white?

    or just to deny him to be Black, reducing any Black African to the great Gaddafi to zero?

    But if gatorbart did not know Gaddafi to be an African prince he would call Gaddafi Black and not acknowledge him at all, far less invite him to his house for any reason. The Great Gaddafi would be a regular nig nog to gatobart on sight!

  313. turtle says:
    @RoatanBill

    A former roommate from long ago once wrote a program he called “Mike” which classified users as either “stupid” or “not-stupid” depending how the user interacted with the program.

    The name “Mike ” is Mycroft Holmes, by way of Robert Heinlein’s The Moon is a Harsh Mistress.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Moon_Is_a_Harsh_Mistress.

    PVM later invented something called the Domain Name System.

    OS/360 JCL, eh?
    Brings back memories.
    DSNAME, DDNAME, etc.

    RESTART [email protected]@
    (CP/CMS login message in EBCDIC & ASCII, as displayed on an EBCDIC terminal – from memory, may not be accurate)

  314. turtle says:
    @James J O'Meara

    Ah, well, Jabberwocky is in the original German English.

    Outgrabe, from the infinitive “ausgraben,” meaning “to rise from the dead.”

    JK, but not really.
    English is a Germanic language, albeit polluted by French.

  315. @Sulu

    Almost all financially successful blacks make their money in shamanistic type enterprises where everyone pays them a little bit for entertainment, usually members of their own racial group, as in the case of rap artists or preachers for example. Almost never do blacks make money from enterprises such as business where wealth is extracted from nature, thus contributing to the net wealth of humanity. White entrepreneurs accumulate wealth from enterprises that create something tangible or extract materials from nature, which increases the absolute wealth of all mankind. They are involved in the battle against nature that increases the total energy available to us.

    Blacks on the other hand accumulate money from entertainment etc, which is a movement of already existing wealth between people, not an increase in the net energy available to humanity. Entertainment is still important, of course, but does not create absolute wealth. It is a zero sum game, whereas production increases the net energy available to us all. Same might be said of certain financiers.

    • Thanks: Sulu
    • Replies: @Deep Thought
  316. turtle says:
    @Sollipsist

    So, Woody Allen doesn’t get laid.
    We already knew that.

    Evidently, according to your analysis, the Third Reich breeding plan made sense.
    No wonder they were considered a threat, particularly by the British “public” school crowd, with their long tradition of faggotry.

    the dependent communities tend to have more of the unhealthy and antisocial traits seen in domesticated dogs.

    Long live independence.

    • Replies: @Sollipsist
  317. Sulu says:
    @ben sampson

    that is what you have been doing so well all along…absolutely nothing!

    Well, if I have been doing nothing all along that means I couldn’t have been oppressing the black man because oppression is doing something.

    So…. I think you have just been hoisted with your own retard.

    Sulu

    • Replies: @ben sampson
  318. @Happy Tapir

    Services– especially financial services, entertainment, etc– are what murrika is strong at and exports a lot, while China and other Asian countries are strong at manufacturing– the making of real goods.

    Are you, therefore, saying that murrika is a de facto Black country?

  319. joe862 says:

    I can’t get through a fred column anymore. A guy with a high IQ who did very little with his high IQ life going on and on about IQ. He doesn’t seem to realize that it’s not the only thing the rest of us care about. There are a bunch of factors. Jews have high IQ but I wouldn’t want to be a part of that ultra selfish tribe for any amount of money. East asians who move to the US are smarter than the average white person probably but who cares. East asia is exporting their smart people and importing a shortage of smart people. They can move to California and live in big houses. Who cares?

  320. @Sulu

    that last comment of mine to which Sulu ‘|It’ responds here was of course the limit of my involvement with such pointlessness as this.

    and this is to point out that Sulu is racist Black-hating irrelevance, here in these pages obviously to promote nothing positive and relevant to the rise of ordinary interest to dominance in social change, creating participatory popular democracy, as such interest grows, making social change that takes humanity forward safely and in solution of the divisive disaster that is the society that exists and has existed with evolution of exploitative society… from the start of that phase of human social existence

    there is no chance of indefinite human survival in nature, of positive general human evolution unless the popular, ordinary social interest gains control, arises and finds full expression in the forms of social organization by which society comes to live.

    the popular ordinary existential interest existential is the only human option that may find expression is the only option that can resolve r the all-consuming lobal human crisis-social disaster that has evolved out of the domination of the global capitalist social control: Financial capital…the financial interest that has organized the current genocidal policies in play in the world, in all probability revolutionizing human society from the top down, that will result in major population reduction and all manner of biological changes in whatever human population that is left from the Covid debacle…a debacle organized and effected by the same dominant financial interests generally termed the ‘deep state’ by commentators everywhere

    [MORE]

    There is Sulu above, disparaging the ways…rather deliberately disseminating a disparaging concoction of the way he thinks and says that Black people have been left to make a living if they could, totally ignoring the dominant financial class and the way they actually make a living, at the total expense of the entire humans species that have left by now countless dead, murdered! How many dead, debilitated, slaughtered, tortured over centuries? get a calculator! get a math computer…this is a big one!

    Care to pull out a calculator to figure out how many have died directly as a consequence of the financial activity of the deep state Sulu! rather ‘It’?

    a calculator would not be sufficient for such massive calculation effort. the deep state: genocidal from the get go! pathologically maniacal, sick from start to finish and parasitic in its soul, from its deepest insides out, adhering itself to the human soul from the inside out, into the flesh and blood of humanity, succubus! sucking powerfully since, now in the process of exterminating its host so one wonders where the blood will come from for ‘deep state’ sustenance, once ordinary humanity is reduced, becomes a biologically modified remnant, or are fully exterminated?

    And passing by of course, how will Sulu ‘Itself’ find work with this so far apparent looming suicide of the parasite eliminating its own source of nourishment, a tiny slush of which ends up in Sulu’s pocket, picked up off the floor, paid by small change to engage in what turns out to be screaming crap in the pages of the UNZ

    Sulu is a negative factor focused on the destruction of positive development of the ordinary American interest, of the American people by the promotion of violent, terminally destructive racist social division.

    As such Sulu is no different from, or unique and better than, more capable than lots before ‘It’! and of course lots more of such who may exist and are active just like Sulu right now, promoting racist American division in the interest of the ‘deep state!’

    And lots more so oriented to come, always ready to sell their souls for small change tossed on the floor.

    But that is of course at this late stage, if the American part of the worlds people has more time to play, like the awful way Americans have played in existence so far, without positive change or elimination. Such time and play is indeed and obviously coming to an end, no doubt in some form of cataclysmic result, so terminal incalculable so far.

    • LOL: Realist
    • Replies: @Sulu
    , @RoatanBill
  321. Malla says:
    @gatobart

    LOL all those anti-colonial “struggles” in Africa (except the Mau Mau) were funded by Wall Street. Wall Street wanted all those European Empires dead as they were considered a threat to the New American ($$Wall Street$$) Century.

    • Replies: @Truth
  322. Truth says:
    @Malla

    Hey Malls, I never knew Baretta and Starsky and Hutch were so big in your country…

    https://worldstar.com/video.php?v=wshh6f8RMDfxo02zTdRq

    • Replies: @Malla
  323. @RoatanBill

    RB, idleness is ingenious.

    Too many Feds running around ready to trap and arrest any YT who tries to resist openly. Ain’t happening. See 1/6/2021.

    Blacks are running around with an endless supply of illegal guns, shooting everyone in sight, (and usually missing), yet YT’s AR-15 for self defense is the problem.

    Time to withdraw. The system is now openly against us. DON’T PARTICIPATE.

    Critics say YT will never unite. Well, duh. Way too many brainwashed YT idiots out there. The culture is essentially Jewish. Most non-Jews behave as Jews now. Most homos are Christian whites. Most parents virtual signal by cutting their son’s pecker off. BlackRock is buying up the suburbs to rent them back to YT, with Tyrone and his gangbangers as next-door neighbors. It’s a Jewish wasteland.

    Look, many Americans have already left. They’re voting with their feet. Leaving the US is a form of idleness. TO NOT PARTICIPATE.

    I’m not even American. But I can see the writing on the wall. The bars are so much easier to see from outside the States.

    Aleksander

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
    , @Jeff Stryker
  324. @aleksander

    Starting a physical conflict with the militarized police, the various militarized agencies and the actual US military is suicide. Rioting in the street or doing anything as a group of visible individuals trying to make a statement will simply allow the human trash that works for the State to do their basic job of busting heads. See the Capital Insurrection nonsense for confirmation that even a hint of dissatisfaction with the gov’t will get you a lot of trouble.

    Anyone with any intelligence will not do anything openly but will do what they can quietly and unobtrusively to throw sand into the gears of the machine that’s attempting to roll over us. I didn’t invent the idea, I borrowed it from Mahatma Gandhi. He had the right idea and eventually he won.

    The white population is what keeps the country operational. Their numbers and brains are essential for all the major systems to function. If even a small percentage of whites decided to just stop supporting the system, everything would quite quickly grind to a halt.

    Idleness can’t be used as an excuse to send in the SWAT team. It can’t be used to lay any sort of charges unless the gov’t is willing to declare that slavery is back in style and force people back to work. I’d really like to see the mental gymnastics some asshat lawyer could come up with to even try to rationalize something to make sitting on ones ass a crime.

    I’ve been an expat for 16 years. I saw this coming a long time ago.

    • Agree: Sulu
  325. @aleksander

    ALEKSANDER

    Well, assuming your Eastern European, American white women are yet to go to Dubai as hookers & let Arabs do turds on “Natasha’s” chest for reasons of obscure sexual gratification.

    And some of the women are actually nurses or other skilled workers.

    So maybe your economies were better when (They) ran them.

    It is Slavic women who are badly used in the deserts of Arabia, not white American women.

    I know. I worked in UAE.

    I quite enjoyed the country.

  326. Sulu says:
    @ben sampson

    Hey Uncle Ben,

    Give it a rest. Put the thesaurus and the crack pipe down. Blacks are where they have always been. On the bottom rung of society. Not because of the White man. But because the majority of blacks are too stupid to move up. I.Q. is the “glass ceiling” for blacks. And that is never going to change. 1000 years from now blacks are still going to be on the bottom. Just where they belong. You can cry “racism” all you want. You can scream “oppression” at the top of your lungs. But the real reason is stupidity. And there is no cure for that. Your own rambling ungrammatical gibberish proves my point.

    Sulu

    • Replies: @ben sampson
  327. Sulu says:
    @RoatanBill

    I’d really like to see the mental gymnastics some asshat lawyer could come up with to even try to rationalize something to make sitting on ones ass a crime.

    That would be quite a trick wouldn’t it? But the obvious answer would be to fire any White worker that chose to participate in “White day.” They would probably enact a law where anyone fired in such a manner wouldn’t be eligible for unemployment too. So then it would come down to numbers. We would have to have a majority of White people on board with passive resistance in order to sabotage the system. But if enough Whites participated we could bring the whole thing crashing down.

    I can’t help but wonder if the Whites in I.T. couldn’t be the tip of the spear. Wouldn’t it be wonderful if sites like Amazon went totally down for a few days because some White I/T. worker decided it would be more beneficial to display “This site is down as a protest to anti-White racism.” Same thing for the airlines. If some White I.T. guy could take a major airlines down for a few days or a week it would certainly get their attention.

    Sulu

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  328. @Sulu

    To affect more people, you have to aim lower down on the supply chain. For me, it’s the truckers. If the trucks stop moving and the dock workers stop in solidarity, and the auto workers .. and the …, etc, the whole country comes to a halt real quick.

    Cities will start to burn in a few days when Testicleeze and Phelopia get pissed because they see empty shelves in the food and liquor store. No chemicals for the sewage treatment plants. No gasoline or diesel for the fuel stations. As fuel runs out, no one goes to work because they can’t get there. It’s one large domino effect.

    No one is going to stick their neck out to lead this parade. It would have to be a meme that starts and when everyone white hears about it they join in because they see it as the only viable option.

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @Sulu
  329. @RoatanBill

    I’m only 47 & have been an expat since the 90’s.

    Couple things.

    1. The Capitol taught us that more black cops will shoot white women. White rural women still have some semblance of civilization so they don’t expect that black cops will gun them down-knowing of course, that no penalty exists.

    2. Urban blacks are poor & landless. Unproductive people hold no cards. White rural people do. When some Latina or Somalian Leftist Democrat female President whose anus suffers from incontinence from constant sodomy realizes she has no toilet paper because whites in the sticks embargoed the forestry industry…she’ll order the military to do what Saddam did to Kurds.

    3. The white public forgets how awesome the military arsenal is. They cling to their second amendment thinking that bearing arms will stop a neutron bomb or nerve gas. This is not 1861. The military can kill every white in the exurbs & rural areas in a day.

    4. Then, as a mop-up, black & Latino soldiers will come in. You’d see levels of rape unseen in history…blacks who would never serve overseas in a war will volunteer simply to be able to rape rural white girls.

    5. The capitol insurrection gave the Left the opportunity to justify any violence toward the GOP demographic.

    6. The Asians, Indians & white Latinos like the Cubans can keep a country running. They make lousy cops & corruption would soar but Brahmin, Chinese & white Hispanics have been running third world countries for centuries through despotism & corruption.

    7. You are an expat. I’m an expat. Upper middle class white will leave. We can. We easily adapt to Australia. Or New Zealand. Many Americans immigrate there already. Older poorer whites will move to SEA. We saw this in South Africa. The government would try to respond by freezing middle-class bank accounts to keep whites from fleeing. But the wealthy will go. The poor white lumpen are totally screwed like the Boer in refugee camps.

    • Replies: @Sulu
    , @Truth
  330. @ben sampson

    What an incredible word salad.

    Did you get this from a piece of software designed to put out words with nearly no content in the message?

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @ben sampson
  331. @Sulu

    I just steamed up some cheap but fresh broccoli I got at a nearby store.
    I made a butter sauce with some black pepper, salt and Chinese parsley…on the salty side.

    mmmm! really really good

    I have had enuff of this thread. time to move on!

    ungrammatical gibberish!? for some reason this morning UNZ would not take my corrections. and I could not get rid of the damn post, it simply would not cancel

    so what the hell! one unedited post wont end my life.
    time to move on anyhow. its all yours

    • Replies: @gatobart
    , @Realist
  332. @cosMICjester

    William James Sidis

    Never heard of him.

    And your proof of his sky-high IQ is… what, exactly ?

    • Replies: @cosMICjester
  333. @turtle

    No doubt the Third Reich would have bungled a breeding plan, just like government bureaucracies bungle every other plan. The only things they’re consistently good at is corruption and cronyism.

    It’s pretty amazing how animals breed better out of instinct than we do with intelligence and “love” and freedom to choose. For millions of years we balanced our loss of instincts with tradition and survival necessity, but it seems like we’ve “progressed” to simply peeing in the genetic pool.

  334. Sulu says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    The military can kill every white in the exurbs & rural areas in a day.

    Sorry but you are just engaging in hyperbole with that line so I can’t agree. The military is still mostly White, I believe. And if such an order were given it would be quite evident to all in the ranks that it was Civil war. I suspect the military would fracture along racial and political lines and we would have a race/Civil war.

    If planes started being loaded with ordinance to be used here in America the powers that be would have to be very sure of the loyalty of the crew. A few pilots just might decide that Washington is the real problem and decide to bomb the very criminals that issued them their illegal orders.

    One thing is for sure though. It would be a shit show of epic proportion. God only know how things would shake out.

    Sulu

    • Replies: @Truth
  335. Truth says:
    @RoatanBill

    the whole country comes to a halt real quick.

    Cities will start to burn in a few days when Testicleeze and Phelopia get pissed because they see empty shelves in the food and liquor store. No chemicals for the sewage treatment plants. No gasoline or diesel for the fuel stations. As fuel runs out, no one goes to work because they can’t get there. It’s one large domino effect.

  336. gatobart says:
    @RoatanBill

    I didn’t invent the idea, I borrowed it from Mahatma Gandhi. He had the right idea and eventually he won.

    I don’t know exactly what you mean. Mahatma Gandhi was a phony, the greatest political fraud of the second half of the XX Century, along with Nelson Mandela. Their real historic role was to perpetuate the Western colonial/imperial oppression of their countries but now under the facade of national independence. All what India has had since 1948 is the same situation as before but now under the pretense of “an Independent country”. Just watch now the role India is playing in world politics, always provoking China and Pakistan and doing the dirty job of its Anglo Saxon masters in the region. That is why both Gandhi and Mandela are revered in the West (i.i the zombified empires of “America” and the EU) and they even celebrated the 90th anniversary of Mandela in Hyde Park in London, the capital of the ex-British Empire, with the presence of pop stars and other celebrities and the well wishes of the European royalty, because they were celebrating the puppet who had allowed them to stay as the masters of South Africa and the same with Gandhi. They didn’t celebrate his 90th anniversary of course because he was dead but Hollywood financed a mega production in his honor. They will never gonna do the same for people like Fidel Castro, Che Guevara, Gamal Abdel Nasser or Daniel Ortega, because those were real revolutionaries who really fought for independence to their countries.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
  337. Sulu says:
    @RoatanBill

    Truckers make perfect sense but someone would have to be first to stick their necks out.

    I was thinking I.T. because it is somewhat arcane and a competent I.T. guy could easily do the deed and cover his tracks at the same time. The only answer would be to replace all White I.T. people with non Whites. And I can’t imagine it would work too well in either the short or the long term.

    The real problem is White solidarity. Of which we have none. We would have to get to the point that all black criminals are being ignored by the justice system and Whites are being prosecuted/persecuted for defending themselves against black violent crime. That would probably serve to red pill some Whites. It sure looks like we are fast approaching that point though.

    But if Whites do start to gain some sense of solidarity the message needs to be constantly broadcast that the source of all our troubles are the Jews. If we could get most Whites to wake up to this fact we might well be on the way to solving the problem.

    Sulu

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  338. gatobart says:
    @ben sampson

    “I have had enuff of this thread. time to move on!”

    Good. We all have to move on at some point. But before you leave, remember this:

    Muammar el Qaddafi was NOT a White man, He was NOT a Black man either. He specifically belonged to an ethnic group of desert dwellers in Northern Africa and the Middle East called the Bedouins.

    • Replies: @ben sampson
  339. @Realist

    Bravo.

    Gotta admire the IQ of anyone who can use the magnificent and under-used word “deleterious” absolutely correctly.

  340. Truth says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    4. Then, as a mop-up, black & Latino soldiers will come in. You’d see levels of rape unseen in history…blacks who would never serve overseas in a war will volunteer simply to be able to rape rural white girls.

    LOL, not only that, Old Sport, it’s going to be an essay question on the ASVAB:

    “If admitted to the US Army do you agree to rape rural white girls…”

  341. Truth says:
    @Sulu

    I suspect the military would fracture along racial and political lines and we would have a race/Civil war.

    No, no, I’m going to have to disagree there Big Zulu;

    The military would fracture along; “you can do what I say and continue being one of the only people in your neighborhood collecting a paycheck,during the apocalypse, or I can send you to a FEMA camp”, lines.

    Now certainly there will be a fair number of exceptions, but this is pretty much how weak, ungodly people (aka; most of us) think.

    You for instance, LOVED the pussy and the diving in PH. You said so, what brought you home? You were TERRIFIED of being trapped somewhere without a means of income.

    Yes, unfortunately, Old Sport, the honkees in the US Military are, well, a lot like you…

    • Replies: @Sulu
  342. @Sulu

    I was in a position to take down dozens of companies I serviced as a security consultant. I had root access to all systems and could have issued simple commands from home to nuke every server including the backup boxes. Rebuilding would take a very long time.

    This would be a prosecutable offense and is why no one will do it that isn’t an idiot and IT security people generally aren’t idiots. Now, an unknown hacker that manages to acquire the right credentials could do the same thing and is for the most part untraceable. There’s no benefit for the hacker, so there’s no reason to expend the effort.

    I still say the best approach is sitting on your ass as that’s not illegal. In New York, cops and other city workers had what was referred to as a ‘sick out’ occasionally when they wanted something and it wasn’t forthcoming. It’s the same idea. Withhold your labor.

  343. gatobart says:

    The Asians, Indians & white Latinos like the Cubans can keep a country running. They make lousy cops & corruption will soar…

    But they will never ever top good old U.S.A when it comes to corruption, no matter how much they try. “America”, the most corrupt country in the world, the one that allow things that would make blush the most brazen and shameless Central African tin pot dictator. One where corruption has even been integrated in the legal and political system, where every public post has a price and can be sold and bought–at the rate of more than a billion for the seat in the Oval Office and hundreds of thousands for one in Congress. Every public post to be sold and bought, from president of the nation to dogcatcher in TheSticks, Arkansas. And don ‘t get me started with Judges and lawyers. A country where a presidential election can be stolen at broad daylight and nothing will be done about it, and EVERY single member of the Judiciary and every local authority in States and cities will become willing participant in it, at least covering the fraud. Just like it happened with the JFK assassination. The only country where up to 80 million votes can be stolen from the populace, even when the proof, the visual evidence, will be displayed openly in places like YT, and nobody will do anything about it allowing the fraudster, the loser in the election to get installed as President and do the routine (or rather going through the motions without the least protest from anyone. Wow, I am sure Idi Amin Dada would have loved to be able to do that, otherwise he would have never had so stoop that low as he did in front of the world to become the leader of Uganda.

    Ah, of course, not only the most corrupt country in the world but also the greatest Pot Calling Kettles Blacks in History. Uh, also the only country where people are clueless and political ignorant enough to call their own corrupt oligarchy “the Left”. Just another reason why the rest of the world don’t think much of the US populace when it comes to political awareness. “the Left”. Wow, Che Guevara must be rolling in his grave.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  344. Realist says:
    @RoatanBill

    Biden is his ghostwriter.

  345. @Dave Bowman

    Have u heard of google or Wikipedia?? Read the info agree or disagree. Otherwise the point I was making is that quite a few of these highly intelligent people seem to think communism is good. They’re also usually mentally ill

  346. gatobart says:

    One thing that astonishes me about some “Americans” is how stupid, clueless and ignorant they are (not all I said, some) to the point of taking us all abroad for imbeciles. They don’t seem to realize that we are no dumb, that we have our eyes very open and that we know well what is what. We know how politics is really done in your country, the U.S.,which is done the same way BTW as its foreign policy anyway. That is why when one of you comes out to lecture us about corruption in other countries, specially Third World, it gives me the impression of hearing an old French Madame preaching about morality in the city where she had her network of whorehouses doing business for ages. A few things this idiot thinks we, the rest of the world, do not know about how politics is done in America.

    a) The Godfather Two. Senator Patrick Geary assists to some Italian national celebration and he makes a speech telling Italians how much he loves them. Then to a private face to face with Michael Corleone where he tells Michael in his face how much he hates Italians, how much they disgust him and so he will shake him down for all his worth asking him an usurer’s price, many times over the one he usually charges for some legal scam. FF to hotel room where the Senator wakes up in bed, all bloodied and with a murdered prostitute besides him. From then on his Irish arrogance evaporates and he will become nothing but a docile lapdog eating off Michael Corleone’s hand. Do you think that we, the rest of the rest, didn’t realize that what Coppola was doing there was anything else than showing us how really “American” politics is done, how things work behind closed doors in the corridors of power, how dense do you think we are…? Not always in so dramatic fashion but the idea was clear. if you get into politics in the U.S. the first thing you have to know is that there are people you must never cross and many times you will commit the mistake of realizing too late of who they are. Why do you think people like, say,. Ocazio Cortez are so angry and outspoken in some occasions at the beginning and then suddenly they become little docile chihuahuas…? because they are being reminded that they are irritating people they shouldn’t and they get the message.

    b) Everyone who has researched Edgar Hoover knows that he maintained a secret room in the FBI HQ containing top secret files on everyone who mattered in Washington, every politician and every VIP, all that in a room to which he was the only one to have access. That made his own position as the top cop in the country practically invulnerable and probably protected him from being the victim himself of blackmail or from even being fired for things like, say, going to official Washington custom parties dressed in a tutu.Or from t he possible consequences of him living in sin, as a love couple with his right hand man, the FBI sub director. So when some important politician and some other came to visit him in his office to try to intimidate him or something he would have their dossier on his desk and as the other guy talked he would start running the pages and making casual references to what he was finding there, That was enough to make the guy scam with his tail between his legs,

    And you have the gall to come here now to tell us about the corruption in countries run by Indians and Latinos…?

    • Replies: @Sulu
    , @Malla
  347. @RoatanBill

    for the last time! two versions, the first draft and the edited one to be posted up.

    the first draft got posted up by mistake and I could not correct that mistake in time. so I dropped it! I let it be…I had no choice

    I learned that with the UNZ don’t get near the publish button until you got it right. simple something!
    editing, cancellation etc., does not work! at least not with my PC and the UNZ. once you click publish UNZ’s got whatever it is and wont let go!

    by operating format UNZ seems a sort of trap spider/fly website. UNZ ought to update!

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
    , @Sulu
  348. @Realist

    Good idea!
    have you found any yet?

  349. @gatobart

    Interesting take Gator! Bedouin eh! ok

    anyway also! there is much I said here in attempt to tease out response and
    argument

    enjoy! and get Sulu a good job. he needs one.

    I don’t have a clue who realist is! not very interesting however! prolly racist
    from the Sulu school

  350. @ben sampson

    The dog ate my homework.

    OK.

    • LOL: Sulu
    • Replies: @Sulu
  351. Sulu says:
    @Truth

    I really hope you took the vaccine, Troof.

    Sulu

    • Replies: @Truth
  352. Sulu says:
    @ben sampson

    Funny, but judging by the writing mechanics you display here you still haven’t learned to capitalize the first word in every sentence. Are you going to use the “edited draft” excuse on this post too? I know negros are slow as hell but I already gave you one heads up. I don’t think you can use the same lame excuse twice. Come on and show me that “black excellence” you seem to see every where.

    Sulu

    • Replies: @ben sampson
  353. Sulu says:
    @RoatanBill

    The dog ate my homework.

    Must have been one of those “racist” White Dogs that screwed old Uncle Ben up.

    Sulu

  354. Truth says:
    @Sulu

    No Zulu, I’m a lot like you too; one difference… I am not afraid to die.

    • Replies: @Sulu
  355. Sulu says:
    @gatobart

    As an American, reading your post on politics here, I must smile grimly and agree. But the main difference in corruption in America and third world countries is….In America, corruption starts at the top and makes it’s way down. And it never gets all the way down. If you are too low on the totem pole and try to take a slice of the pie you risk being busted by the higher up so as to set an example in order to convince the rubes that America is a country of laws.

    In third world countries corruption starts at both the top and the bottom and meets some where in the middle. Everyone is in on the graft. In America it’s the sole province of the elite.

    Sulu

    • Replies: @gatobart
    , @Jokem
  356. Sulu says:
    @Truth

    Sounds like you might be smarter than I gave you credit for Troof. I have been feeling a tiny bit conciliatory since I found your posts indicating you are an Engineer. But don’t worry. I will be back to form in no time.

    Considering the things I have done in my life any outward observer might conclude that I’m not afraid to die. Going to third world countries alone, diving 300ft down in the Pacific, becoming a pilot, balling way too many women. I have just always thought that while fear should be considered it should not be the deciding factor when contemplating a course of action.

    As for being afraid to die? I suppose both of us will find the answer to that question in due time.

    Sulu

    • Replies: @Truth
  357. denk says:

    Ever heard of HIQ idiots ?
    Sounds like oxymoron ?

    I remember that day. I remember as a student sitting in the common room watching the television footage. Crying. Crying for the people of China. Crying for a people being told lies. Crying for all of us whenever we unquestioningly forgo freedom for security. World, don’t forget this. This is what the Chinese government is all about. Every time you have dealings with the Chinese government remember Tiananmen Square.

    https://forums.theregister.com/forum/all/2021/06/04/search_engine_tiananmen/

    Crying for a people being told lies.

    TAM MASSACRE OF UNARMED STUDENTS

    TIBET GENOCIDE

    XINJIANG GENOCIDE

    UIGHURS RAPE CAMPS

    HK REPRESSION

    CHINESE VIRUS

    These HIQ idiots lap it up hook line and sinker.

    Dunno whether to get mad at these five liars or to pity them

    hehehheheh

  358. gatobart says:
    @Sulu

    You got a cigar, there. You don’t know how right you are. I returned from a given country (a given one, but that’s true everywhere) in South America last year and what i saw everywhere over there can be perfectly resumed in just a few words, yours. So at the end, we are after all more democratic and our societies more fair, aren’t they…?

  359. sulu says:

    So at the end, we are after all more democratic and our societies more fair, aren’t they…?

    I don’t have any experience with South America. Most of my third world experience comes from countries in S.E.A. Most notably the Philippines. But, as you say, things are the same every where. Except for the places it isn’t. He He

    Sulu

    • Replies: @gatobart
  360. @gatobart

    I disagree. The European elite in Latin America managed to stay at the top of the tree.

    And after all, the Indians & Mestizos & others beneath them are still coming over the Rio Grande.

    But of course someone from the Castizo elite like yourself would not be one of them.

    Let me ask you a question. Since the US is so ignorant & insular, how an earth does it manage to meddle in foreign governments to begin with?

    How can such low IQ people have amassed such underhanded cunning?

    Of course you moved to Canada which has something in common with South America: the Natives are disenfranchised.

    You’re going to try & sell Washington DC as the reason for this: the real reason is the lingering racial caste pyramid of Latin America.

    Am I wrong?

    • Replies: @gatobart
  361. Malla says:
    @gatobart

    That is why when one of you comes out to lecture us about corruption in other countries, specially Third World, it gives me the impression of hearing an old French

    In the Third World. corruption is from down to up, all the way. In first world countries there is far less corruption in the lower and middle levels at least faaaar lower than those levels in most of the Third World. Indeed I would say, in the USA, the corruption and lobbying at the top by interest groups and corporations is mind boggling.

  362. Malla says:
    @gatobart

    All what India has had since 1948 is the same situation as before but now under the pretense of “an Independent country”.

    Here comes a crackpot who does not understand India at all.
    Listen you nutcase, opposition to China does not mean colonial. And why do you forget that Pakistan was sucking Uncle Sams dick when India was allied to the USSR. The problem with you leftist crackpots is that you see the world as Revolutionaries Vs Imperialists. You have to chose one side. That is they you punks are the most childish shits that ever walk this earth. In India, more anti-British a person is, MORE anti-China he is. In India, China is seen as an Imperialist country, British Raj 2.0. Indian nationalism of the masses is anti-China. India was both anti-West and anti-China in history but pro-Soviet/Russia. Same with Vietnam. Just because Vietnam was anti-China, does it makes it colonial?
    What a stupid crackpot who does not India and farts his bullshit which would make the entire 1.4 billion population of India burst out in laughter.
    And India Pakistan enmity is very complex, would need many posts, but it would be beyond the understanding of a buffoon like you.
    It is India’s anti-China enmity which made it pro-West, yet India wants and keeps good relations with Russia. Check out V. K. Krishna Menon of India, the hardcore leftist India’s representative to the United Nations. You could not get a more anti-West guy in the World. the guy would lambaste the USA and the West and Western colonialism giving brutal anti-American speeches in the UN, firm believer in Third World solidarity and all that bullshit.
    Yet he was defense minister when India had a war with China in 1962 and he lambasted Chinese Imperialism and colonialism against India. But because he lost the war, Indian nationalists suspected him to be a pro-Chinese sympathy man because of this leftism and he was kicked out.

    And you got it the other way round. British India was destroyed by Globalist elites, check out the Montagu Clemsford report where the British Empire itself said it would dissolve itself in India by promoting Indian Nationalism. There were globalist powers who wanted the British and other European Empires gone. Wall Street funded all the anti-colonial movements in Africa except Mau Mau of Kenya. Once the honest colonial officers went, their place taken by corrupt local leaders, the Wall Street blood suckers came in for the loot. Also Mandela was a terrorist, a scam funded by Wall Street and Communists working together. South African Aparthied President P.W. Botha was taking his orders many times from Mac Maharaj a South African Communist of Indian origin and a big time slimeball.

    But India is anti-West and anti-China and pro-Russia as well as pro-Vietnam. It became pro-West lately because of its enmity and fear for “Chinese Imperialism” because India is not sure how much Russia would help it. Indeed Indo-Soviet relations was one of the many reasons of the Sino-Soviet split back in those days. Poor Russia/ USSR, had to balance India and China.
    Most Indians still day dream of a USA+ China vs India+Russia where our glorious alliance with Russia would defeat the Murican Chinki demonic imperialist alliance. If you do not understand that, you do not understand India. Period.

    • Replies: @gatobart
  363. Malla says:
    @Truth

    Bro Truthie, the video, you posted is gone, it seems from Worldstar website. Is the link OK?

    • Replies: @Truth
  364. Malla says:
    @gatobart

    And the departure of the Honest British gentlemen Civil Officers and Lords have been a disaster to many marginalized populations in India mostly tribals and some lower castes. As well as our forests ar emore ruined now by greedy government officers and greedy Indian businessmen Oligarchs. As now we have loads of arrogant and corrupt Indian asshole officers (few Indian administrators are honest and good but few). Many tribals and remote villagers miss the golden days of prosperity and peace and justice of the British Empire and having honest Colonial officers nearby.

    Rabha are a tribal people of India. They sez British Sahibs were better than today’s Bangali Indian sarkar (sarkar = Govt)

    These poor innocent villagers (not Rabha but some other somewhere else in India) are waiting patient for British rule to come back so that they can get their forests back. How innocent they are?

  365. gatobart says:
    @Malla

    Blah, blah, blah…the usual Malla BS reheated. In the real world, the world where the rest of us live, when the Anglo Zionist imperialist order India to jump, the Indian response is always the same: how high, masters…? we see a different picture.

    “Wall Street funded all the anti-colonial movements in Africa except Mau Mau of Kenya”.

    And the “American” Mafia financed and armed the Cuban guerrilla of Fidel Castro in Sierra Maestra expecting Castro to pay them back once in power but when he took over in Havana he threw them out, so what.. In any case your line is bullshit. Like usual, you are babbling here about subjects you know nothing about.

    When the Carnation revolution overthrew the Salazarist dictatorship in Lisbon there were three pro-independence movements fighting in Angola, the MLPA of Agostinho Neto, Marxist, backed by the USSR and Cuba, the FLNA of Holden Robert and the UNITA of Jonas Zabimbi, backed and financed both by the US. When the Portuguese withdrew from Angola the MPLA started fighting with the pro-US UNITA and FLNA and these are the ones you may be referring to. In the end the MPLA won the war, with the backing of Cuba and the USSR. So much for Wall Street’s participation in Angolan liberation…! As for Mozambique, the process was similar, a civil war broke out after the Portuguese withdraw between the Marxist FRELIMO led by Samora Machel, backed and financed by Moscow but above all by Communist China and the pro-West RENAMO, backed mainly by then Rhodesia and South Africa.

    In Congo, Patrice Lumumba, the main African nationalist leader became the PM of the country after Independence and when some military officers rebelled and made their stronghold in the province of Katanga, backed by the former colonial power Belgium, he asked for aid to Western powers but they refused because they consider him a pro-USSR Communist and he was finally made prisoner and murdered by the rebels led by Moishe Tshombe. And we can go country by country and the story will be similar: traditional European colonial powers had been weakened by two world wars and so by the 50s and 60s they had to spend most of their capital and resources in reconstruction and fixing their economies, which made them withdraw from their colonial possessions in Africa, which means there weren’t Independence wars as such in the continent, but more of pro-West and pro- USSR or pro-China movements that came to fill the political vacuum.

    Anyway, it’s obvious that you want to have it both ways because, according to you, decolonization in the African continent was financed by Wall Street, with the obvious devious implication that African liberation movements were just pawns and tools of U.S. imperialism (which we have seen was not the case, as these movements included every political tendency) and so that there was all a pretense, that there was no real thrust for independence. On the other hand in the case of India, which was going through a similar, at least in apparence, process in the late 1940s…there was no Wall Street intervention at all…! And how could that be, what made India so special as to prevent the money changers of Wall Street from sticking their dirty paws in that country…? Mystery. And yet, we may be excused if we suspect that, if one Independence movement in the whole of the Third World was in fact being financed by Wall Street, which means by the “American” empire, that was the Indian one, that of Mahatma Gandhi…! Because, why is the case that the ONLY Third World nationalist leader of the post war period who has been considered worthy of a movie dedicated to him, a superproduction by Hollywood in the decades after the war was him, Gandhi…? It wasn’t Patrice Lumumba, who was the one who deserved it the most as he was a real martyr and he represented an entire continent. It wasn’t Che Guevara (Hollywood made movies about him, of course, but all slanderous besides full of falsehoods). It wasn’t Mao Tse Tung, it wasn’t Fidel Castro, it wasn’t Che Guevara, it wasn’t Salvador Allende. No. It was Mahatma Gandhi. Why is that…? maybe for the simple reason that Gandhi was just a plant, a mole, and that his “peaceful struggle for Independence” and his “civil disobedience” were phony, nothing more than fakeries, illusions for the poor to make them believe that they were being liberated from the colonial masters when under the appearances nothing had changed…? By the look of how things developed to this day, one may think that was the case.

  366. @Sulu

    you don’t get to frame the case…..

    I may or may not capitalize in this forum. it is not essential for commentary in this or any goddamn popular forum. you know and understand what’s involved, you simply read and understand if you can

    what lame excuse!!? do you really think I cared enough to really excuse myself with you guys for real? interesting!

    [MORE]

    something like what I describe did happen indeed with that particular post of mine but there was enough in it for you all to understand. I did not, and do not care about that. that is why I let it go and gave your your break

    and you grabbed it and are now seeking to expand it on me, as you may think you have have a weakness in me, to come at me further…’the dog ate my homework’!

    but in this case it would not be ‘the dog!’ but a sharp toothed ‘wrabbit’ who terrorises my vegetable garden every spring and summer: and which ‘wrabbit’ I refuse to trap and execute or redomicile miles away, no doubt leaving its young one exposed. that ‘wrabbit’ would chop up anything hard in got its hands on in seconds

    negroes are slow eh! Interesting! do you or anyone of your supports here have a smidgen of the talent of an old Eldridge Cleaver or Maya Angelou?

    I can make an immediate list off my head of 15-20 young Black writers at this point you may not have heard of yet who would make any here look like the chump change you, Sulu! are, in search of your lunch, singing for it everyday, on your knees for chump change.

    listen! I grew up with CLR James, Eric Williams, George Lamming and Vidiaha Naipaul, and many more.

    Then Came Ivan Van Sertima, but just before him Walter Rodney…

    all these and many more, were and are Black men and women of such extraordinary skill and academic achievement, at and with writing, in history, anthropology, science etc etc etc, makes what you just said about Black people, makes you fully look like any lump on the ground anywhere, that is such a nasty looking, fraught potentially expansive puddle of shit if stepped on, an absolute must to avoid touching at any cost

    Sulu! You and your cohort here are dead wrong about Black people and you are quite aware of that. your motive is otherwise, using racism as a means to some greater absolutely negative end: your racism towards black people here there and likely everywhere, is only part of your generally meaningfully evil movement towards.

    meaning is all Sulu…and you are fully aware of that. there is nothing I have said here, regardless of how I said it… my mechanics according to you…that you and cohort have not be able to capture fully the meaning of. there you go!

    hahahaha

  367. gatobart says:
    @sulu

    I don’t know why I have the impression that, among the people I am dealing with now in this thread, you are the only one with his feet firmly set on the ground; the only one who is not intellectually dishonest or an idiot or both.

    • Replies: @ben sampson
    , @Sulu
  368. gatobart says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Not only wrong but full of it. And a moron. I already decided not to answer your comments because it is obvious that not only there are things that you completely ignore but also that when told you to educate yourself about them you completely ignore the advice and keep babbling the same ignorant bullsheet.

    I already mentioned that the people flocking into the Southern border of the U.S. come almost all from the three countries in Central America that since the 1980s, more precisely since the Ronald Reagan administration, the U.S. has been ruining and destroying: Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador. I told you that at least a week ago, yet you keep coming up with the same nonsense as before, which makes obvious for me that you are just a thick headed hillbilly that doesn’t give a crap about educating himself on the things you don’t know anything about.

    Now, i know that you don’t give a hoot about the subject, all you want is to open your hillbilly mouth and babble and babble away and show your ignorance and stupidity but here these links for people who really want to know the origin and the causes of this flow of illegal immigrants from the South of the United States.



    • Replies: @Malla
  369. @gatobart

    that is only your impression of a coming together gatorbart.

    rignt and wrong you appear to be at this point a poster of some sincerity. Sulu is not!

    Sulu is reflective of no sincerity at all.

    I can here the sliding apart already!
    hahaha

  370. Malla says:
    @gatobart

    lah, blah, blah…the usual Malla BS reheated. In the real world, the world where the rest of us live, when the Anglo Zionist imperialist order India to jump, the Indian response is always the same: how high, masters…? we see a different picture.

    Here comes the stupid punk who thinks he is an expert on India farting his idiotic non-sense. BTW for your record, I am not anti-China at all and want far better Indo-China relations. But I would be called a traitor to my motherland by other Indians. Come and live in India for 1 year talking to the people and you will understand what I say. Sitting in Canada (and surprisingly not Cuba, why do these wannabe Commies go to evul Capitalist USA or Canada and not to Fidel paradise???) you do not understand shit.

    Jump how high??? LOL That is the opinion Indians have of Pakistanis, Indians joke that Pakistanis have become the slaves of the Chinese, licking the butts of their Chinese overlords and supplying them women.

    Watch: Chinese Engineers Get into Brawl With Pak Cops in Khanewal —The Quint
    Again not my personal opinion. One or two brawls means nothing. But just to observe the kind of comments Indians write. From an Indian news outlet and a liberal leftwinged news outlet Quint BTW, highly hated by the Hindutvas in power. But in India we still have some freedom of speech left.
    Start reading the comment by Indians on that video
    JaTiN
    writes
    This is what happens when u start selling ur country (to China)
    Tejas Rathore writes
    Britain occupies India, India gets independence, Muslims create Pakistan, Pakistan gets occupied by China.
    Indrajit Chowdhury writes
    Pakistan thinks china is his friend but china is just trying to buy the whole country
    Sagar Dhekane writes
    Pakistan is on sale….. Chinese r buying it very cheap
    pie romin writes
    I’m surprised quint is reporting this🤣 (MALLA: because the Quint outlet is liberal and hated by Indian nationalist majority)
    Abhilash Nair writes
    Couple of Chinese engineers beating and threatening Pakistani officials IN Pakistan… this shows the lameness of the officials. It should have been other way around! If England had one East india company, in China they have 100s and they are ready to take over all countries with vulnerable/foolish leadership.

    Now I do not agree with these guys, but this is how the vast majority of 1.4 billion Indians think, rightly or wrongly. Check out how some of them are comparing China with the British EIC.
    Again, Indians hate both China and the West but because of enmity and distrust are ready to make an alliance with the West. India tries to maintain good relations with Russia too.

  371. Truth says:
    @Sulu

    I have been feeling a tiny bit conciliatory since I found your posts indicating you are an Engineer. But don’t worry. I will be back to form in no time.

    Well this will make it easier; I am not an Engineer, my high school mascot was “The Brooklyn Tech High School Engineers, and there is another poster with the same alma mater. BTHS was the largest high school in America for some time, so this is not shocking.

    • Replies: @Sulu
  372. Truth says:
    @Malla

    Oh, they pull these things off for copyright issues sometimes. Too bad, it was a classic.

  373. gatobart says:

    that is only your impression of a coming together gatorbart.

    What coming together…? Maybe you need to consult again that dictionary because in your case I wouldn’t recommend the author for any other reference. Saying that someone got his feet firmly on the ground and that he is intellectually honest simply means that he sees it as it is and tells is as it is. And nobody can deny the truth of what he wrote, in Third World countries everyone has the right to be corrupt, have his own scams and hustles while in the “First World” only the elite has that right.

    • Replies: @ben sampson
  374. Malla says:
    @gatobart

    In any case your line is bullshit. Like usual, you are babbling here about subjects you know nothing about.

    Subjects I do not know about? And you know so much? The official bullshit history. The american Ambassador to Cuba during Fidel’s coming to power wrote his book “Fourth Floor” a book notoriously difficult to find, I wonder why? The State Dept put Fidel in power.

    In Congo, Patrice Lumumba, the main African nationalist leader became the PM of the country after Independence and when some military officers rebelled and made their stronghold in the province of Katanga, backed by the former colonial power Belgium, he asked for aid to Western powers but they refused because they consider h

    Oh please stop that blah blah blah oink oink, official history which you can get from Globocorp Capitalist History Channel.
    Wall Street funded these African “liberation movements” and they were armed by USSR, Warsaw pact countries, PR, DPRK etc… The Commies and the bankers worked together with traitors back at the metropoles to get rid of these Empires. Portugal was the hardest to crack because of Salazar, that is why their Empire lasted longest, no traitors back in the metropoles. They might have played their semi-fake Cold War shenanigans.
    I have already covered these before

    https://www.unz.com/aanglin/how-is-the-g7-going-to-counter-china-when-they-dont-even-make-anything/#comment-4721074
    Do you know the Imperial Prefernce System of the British Empire to protect the entire empire from Wall Street looters? Find out. never heard of it rigtht?
    https://www.unz.com/aanglin/how-is-the-g7-going-to-counter-china-when-they-dont-even-make-anything/#comment-4721079

    Douglas Reed
    https://www.unz.com/imercer/land-reform-in-ramaphosas-south-africa/?showcomments#comment-2481140
    Check this part in the link “The money-power and the revolutionary-power both spread their grasp over it.”
    https://www.unz.com/imercer/land-reform-in-ramaphosas-south-africa/?showcomments#comment-2481143

    Check this
    “In Angola they are engaged, as they well know, in a war which they cannot militarily win because it is not a war at all, in any sense in which the word was ever used in history. It is an international conspiracy in which half the governments of the world join, wearing the mocking mask of moral indignation: Russian and Chinese Communists, American Quakers, British Socialists, Norwegian, Swedish and German Socialists. It can go on as long as hireling murderers can be enlisted by the promise of loot, women, private vengeance and political appointments. It can go on as long as America, Russia, China, “the satellite States”, Cuba and Algeria flood Africa with arms for these hirelings, and as long as the Socialist party in England and the Roosevelt school in America lavish money on them.”

    https://www.unz.com/imercer/land-reform-in-ramaphosas-south-africa/?showcomments#comment-2481155
    https://www.unz.com/imercer/obama-ignores-genocide-in-south-africa/?showcomments#comment-2458228
    Check this
    America makes local forays “against Communism” which leave no dent in the thing itself and end in semi-fiasco (witness Korea, Vietnam, Cuba). Betweenwhiles, American State patronage of the revolution in reality goes on and is plainest to see in Africa, where implacable American pressure for “black majority rule” has helped bring about the present chaos of racial and tribal warfare in northern Africa, under cover of which communism, leaping over the Middle East and the Indian Ocean, has planted its first overseas colony-in-embryo at Dar es Salaam on the East African coast, whence “news” about the rest of Africa reaches the ears of “the free world” through the B.B.C. and the Voice of America. ”

    more
    A perilous brink, my masters, and I trust that you may think on these things when next you hear or
    read about “freedom fighters” or “guerillas” in Rhodesia. May your minds then conjure up the
    image of that constant shuttle- service between Lusaka, Dar es Salaam and the distant communist
    terrorist-camps; of the encouragement given to all that by your politicians in London, Washington
    and New York; and of that lonely mud-and-wattle hut blazing in the night with black folk trapped
    inside. ”
    Read the links.

    How the USA and Australia destroyed the Dutch Colonial Empire
    https://www.unz.com/aanglin/how-is-the-g7-going-to-counter-china-when-they-dont-even-make-anything/#comment-4721564
    https://www.unz.com/aanglin/how-is-the-g7-going-to-counter-china-when-they-dont-even-make-anything/#comment-4721565
    https://www.unz.com/aanglin/how-is-the-g7-going-to-counter-china-when-they-dont-even-make-anything/#comment-4721649
    https://www.unz.com/aanglin/how-is-the-g7-going-to-counter-china-when-they-dont-even-make-anything/#comment-4721726
    https://www.unz.com/jthompson/costly-immigration/#comment-4721213

  375. Malla says:
    @gatobart

    blah blah Lumamba gandhi …lubamba samba bachata gandhi …bla blah …tango…merenge…gandhi… che guevera..blah blah

    Patrice Lumumba, Julius Nyerere, Kwame Nkrumah, Jomo Kenyatta, Mahatma Gandhi, Fidel Castro, Mandela etc… all were planted tools of the Globalists. Screw gandhi. Gandhi just made the Independence “struggle” into a mass movement, before which it was a movement od the educated elties, all with the blessing of the British Raj. Most people in India were called the placid masses, they were happy being part of the Empire as life was overall far better than what we had before it. The Montagu Clemsford report itself showed that the British Raj was to be wound up. There were globalist organisations who wanted the British Raj wound up. Teddy Roosevelt gave a speech against British Raj way before 1947. There is a book you could read

    Imperial obituary: The mysterious death of the British Empire by Major General Richard Hilton Very hard to get and obscure, I wonder why?
    A perceptive look at the complex history of the American interference of the British Empire.

  376. Malla says:
    @gatobart

    Isn’t it interesting that these videos are still on Satanic super rich Capitalist Orwellian Globocorp Youtube as well as Marxist channels but many Western Right winged channels are scrubbed clean??? And one of your source is Al-Jazeera, a multi million dollar Capitalist news outlet of the oil rich Qatari state? Youtube has banished tons of channels, the FBI took over the website of Presstv Iran, but these videos are still on, allowed by Murica?? Surprising no? Has anybody thought of that?
    Satanic Globocorp Youtube may banish true resistance videos but the resistance still goes on.
    But before that getfarts check this out,
    https://www.vox.com/2014/8/24/6057119/harry-dexter-white-ben-steil
    This Soviet spy created the US-led global economic system
    24-Aug-2014 — Harry Dexter White outwitted Keynes at the Bretton Woods conference, built an American-dominant financial system, and was also a spy for the USSR.
    Isn’t that interesting. Wall Street bankers and “revolutionary” Commies come together in interesting ways.

    But yes, the resistance online




    UNTOLD HISTORY OF CHE GUEVARA
    Hero Che peed in his panties like a bitch while facing real enemies in battle but loved killing hapless people. Whatta evil sadist slimeball oops…. I mean…… whata hero.!!! Hail Che, yeah.




    African Decolonization – Empire of Dust Myth of the 20th Century series
    Many American Globocorps like Coca Cola Africa were supporting think tanks for destruction of all the European Empires in Africa as well as Rhodesia and Apartheid South Africa.

  377. @gatobart

    you are an idiot gatorbart.
    you do appear to have some ability but that ultimately makes no difference. you are a complete racist idiot overall.
    oh well!

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  378. Malla says:
    @gatobart

    BTW talking of the British Empire and Africa
    Check this about Kenya
    https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/kenya/article/2000144722/freedom-and-independence-are-not-synonymous
    Senior Chief Kasina at Migwani made plain his views, and probably those of most of the older generation of Akamba, at the end of my baraza at Migwani as he delivered a wringing endorsement of Britain’s 60 odd years of running Kenya. Several younger men had put points to me after I had spoken, fair enough points in their way, but considered impertinent by Kasina. Finally he lost his patience and leapt up beside me, and, in his curiously high pitched voice, said: “Do you know what Uhuru is? I’ll tell you what Uhuru is. When I was young there were those of the Akamba who still remembered Arab slave raiders. The British came and stopped that. I remember as a boy the Maasai raiding our land to try to take our cattle. Then the British came and stopped the tribes from fighting each other. The Kikuyu, Embu, and Meru combined and caused the barbarous Mau Mau rebellion. The British stopped that. The British brought us education, showed us how to improve the use of our land, brought us water supplies, and much else. What did we do for the British? We gave them Askaris for the KAR and the Kenya police. We fought for them as our friends in their wars. We can be proud of that. Today we have peace and improving conditions. Do you see that? (pointing at the Union Jack flying above his office). That is Uhuru!”

    Interestingly here is a Kenyan freedom fighter MP who is regretting taking part in the freedom “struggle” which had led to the British leaving Kenya and Kenya becoming more impoverished as a result. If he would have had a time machine, he would go back to the past and not have taken part in the so called struggle.Too late. Hope the Brits are not stupid enough to get involved in these places again ever.
    While in Western AfricaFrom the book “Equality, The Third World, and Economic Delusion” by P.T.Bauer
    Also from a different source
    http://dspace.library.uu.nl/handle/1874/399805
    “The abolition (of slavery by European navies) caused trade to decline and domestic slavery to rise, putting a downward pressure on wages. Only when Britain slowly extended its domain over the entire Gold Coast (Ghana) did living standards start to rise. The British abolished domestic slavery and brought peace and stability to an otherwise violent region, ushering in a period of unprecedented growth for the Gold Coast.”

  379. Malla says:
    @gatobart

    More on Africa
    Something for the Belgian Empire in Africa.Telling the poor Hutus not be slaves to the Tutsi overlords.

    Chinua Acebe, the great Nigerian Igbo author would later write
    Before (during British Nigeria), justice may have been fierce but it could not be bought or sold . . . . There were titles and distinctions, but they were gained by hard work ….Now all that is changed.”
    Ohaeto Ezenwa, Chinua Achebe: A biography (Indiana University Press, Bloomington, IN, 1997), p. 88

    Why leave India out?

    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chandigarh/in-patiala-village-98-yr-old-farmer-yearns-for-life-left-behind/articleshow/60026963.cms
    For Dyal, who turns down the volume of radio he’s listening to as he recalls pre-Partition days, life is little more than memories of a lost yesterday. “Partition did no good to farmers. They were better off under the British rule. Things were affordable then, and both rich and poor could eat and live well. Even buying cattle was affordable. Farmers were not under debt and buyers used to purchase grains from their (farmers’) houses. Now, farmers take their crop to the grain market and wait for days, even protest, to get their crop purchased. The condition of farmers has really declined, while those of landless tillers is really pitiable.”

    https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/mumbai/being-the-humans-of-bombay/
    Their latest posts are themed around the elections. In one, an old man, who has lost faith in the country’s politicians, says, “…India was better off under the British rule because people didn’t have to overpay for basic things like food and commuting”
    For instance, during British Raj, if any Indian wrote to any public functionary, including the Viceroy of India himself, we would receive a reply within a week, signed under the superscription, “I am, Sir, Your Most Obedient and Humble Servant”. The first thing the new revolutionary, anti-colonial, Socialist democratic rulers of free India did was to notify the deletion of this formula, no doubt for fear that it might put “wrong” ideas in the minds of the people as if they were the sovereign masters and those running the governments were their servants. As for receiving replies even from the bottom rung, forget it. Even retired IAS (Indian Administration Service) officers are considered worms by incumbents junior to them by 30 years or more!

    From Vishnu Khare (1997). Five Decades of Free India
    “Most government servants and workers in the so-called public sector began shirking work by 1957. Rumours of bribery and corruption began to be widely heard. Freedom became freedom from honest public service. As for almost everything one had to go to various offices several times, even a petty clerk holding a file became a centre of power. Soon the elderly began to say openly that the British Raj was better, for there was no injustice, delay and corruption on such a scale in pre-1947 times – not many seniors of that era are still alive but the refrain keeps returning in community conversations among those who were barely young 50 years ago.”

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  380. Poco says:
    @dragonsbreath

    You better double check the whole baboons and tails thingy.

  381. Jokem says:
    @Sulu

    Actually, in many Third World Countries, corruption (as in bribes) is an accepted part of doing business. In The Western World, effort must be expended to keep it under the table.

    • Agree: sulu
  382. Sulu says:
    @gatobart

    I don’t know why I have the impression that, among the people I am dealing with now in this thread, you are the only one with his feet firmly set on the ground; the only one who is not intellectually dishonest or an idiot or both.

    I don’t think I’m the only one. But I do strive for intellectual honesty for the simple reason that the one person you should never lie to is yourself. As I go through life I see so many people that I think spend most of their energy blowing smoke up their own ass just so they can look at themselves in the mirror. With only one eye open, of course. I try like hell not to do that.

    50 years ago America was still a corrupt country but most of our institutions worked pretty well and we were a lot closer to being “The Shinning Nation on the Hill” that so many Americans wanted to believe we were. But now none of our institutions work very well at all and the most casual observer should be able to see that as a nation we are fucked. Sad, but the truth is the truth.

    Sulu

  383. Sulu says:
    @Truth

    Ah, ok. I just skimmed those post where you were referring to another poster as an Engineer too. So I assumed both of you had Engineering degrees. My mistake.

    Sulu

  384. Poco says:
    @gatobart

    That idea is related to Anselms ontological argument for the existence of God.

  385. gatobart says:
    @Malla

    Malla, maybe this is news to you, but I stopped reading your krap weeks if not months ago. And the reason is that you are an individual who actually thinks that using expressions like “you diseased retarded monkey” or others even worse are actual arguments that could help you win in a debate. Well, they are not. They may be so in the shantytowns and bordellos of Calcutta and New Delhi but that’s not the use among educated and civilized people. That is the reason why your use of them when you write your comment addressed to me should maybe anger and insult me but that is not the case simply because I don’t t read them. If I happen to write a comment that answers, or seem to be answering, to you is simply because when scrolling down the comments in this thread my eye catches by chance something and I may answer to a particular line or paragraph of yours, but never to the complete post, that is why they usually seem so limited in scope and the reason is that, that I don’t even know what your post is all a bout because i don’t use to waste my time with them, even less when you have the habit of copying and pasting all kind of nonsense that doesn’t even relate to the subject in question. I don’t know if is clear to you now, so I’ll repeat it once again: I don’t read your comments.

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  386. gatobart says:
    @ben sampson

    See, that is why many of you have so much trouble trying to fit among educated, civilized people , because it doesn’t take much to irritate and to make you show the monkey in a suit, the under 80 IQ underclass. All I did was to treat you with respect and all it took was to contradict you to make you answer like a rube. So when people don’t totally agree with you…they are racist…!

    Oh, BTW, I dont know if your intellectual reach is not enough to catch this, but when I talked about the idiots and intellectually dishonest people in this thread I wasn’t talking about you for the simply reason that many hours before that you had in all appearances said goodbye and gone away. Maybe it is simply that your attention span is not that long but in any case I’ll put you in my Ignore list, I don’t need this kind of krap.

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  387. Mevashir says:

    This is a very provocative essay and the comments are extremely insightful. Seems that they lack the usual rancor that comes to the fore when discussing zionism.

    I offer a few observations.

    I used to love reading Fred Reed On Everything, especially when he trashed America and praised Mexico. But this essay perplexes me. He claims that he is high IQ and that high IQ people tend to congregate together in a self-selective mechanism. But if that is so why did he move to Mexico and marry a Mexican woman? Is his wife perhaps of the European Spanish stock of the Mexican elites?

    Coming from an academic Jewish Ashkenazi family, I offer the following thoughts. They are based on my experiences living as part of the ultra Orthodox Jewish community in Israel after I graduated from Harvard. My father was Dean of the Stanford Medical School and my Uncle was a Nobel prize winner in nuclear physics. So they are representative of Ashkenazi Jewish intellectual elites.

    https://www.unz.com/freed/thoughts-unoriginal-but-perhaps-of-value-on-brains/#comment-4728595
    Historically, Sephardi & Mizrahim were the creative & smart ones (Maimonides, Spinoza, Joseph Karo, Ibn Gibriol,..), while Ashkenazim were considered something like annoying dumb cousins.

    This quote from a commenter above is not true. Spinoza was considered a heretic and was completely rejected by the Orthodox Jewish community. Rashi lived in France and is the person who’s commentary to the Torah is studied in every Yeshiva both Ashkenazi and Sefardic. The Sefardim in Israel have mimicked Ashkenazi Torah scholarship and even adopted their method of dress as a tacit admission of the superiority of the Ashkenazi approach to Torah study.

    My own rabbi Israel Odesser used to say that Sephardim are silver and Ashkenazim are gold. I think this attitude is widely accepted in Jewish society.

    The first Jewish immigrants in American history were Sefardim. They were excellent merchants and often were involved in the African slave trade. The Sephardic synagogues that dot the Caribbean islands testify to the Jewish role in operating the brutal sugar plantations.

    I think generally speaking we can say that Sefardim are excellent merchants while Ashkenazim are more intellectual. The faculty members of elite American colleges and universities are almost overwhelmingly Ashkenazi and not Sephardic.

    As far as the claims of many commenters about the validity of IQ tests, I can’t comment. But I can say that when I attended Harvard from 1976 to 1980, the then dean of admissions Henry Rosovsky said that if Harvard selected students purely on the basis of academic Talent it would take only Jewish girls from New York!

    Another thing to remember about IQ tests is that the vast majority of Orthodox Jews never take them. The people who are ensconced in yeshivas and Talmudic academies operate totally outside the standardized testing regime. This means that the Ashkenazi Jews who are tested and register high are only a small proportion of the Jewish scholastic population. Based on my experiences in Israel, I would suspect that your typical secular Jewish academic teaching at an Ivy League College probably would be only a mediocre Talmudic scholar operating within that system. It is possible that Ashkenazi Jews actually have a much higher IQ than what is measured since the most elite Talmudic students are never tested or evaluated.

    It’s also important to remember that brilliant Jews like Freud Marx and Einstein were essentially dropouts from the Talmudic system. In a sense they are the dregs of Talmudic society, which again suggests that the overall Ashkenazi IQ is much higher than will be measured by these sorts of elite secular Jewish intellectuals.

    Another thing to remember is that the secular education system in Israel is very inferior. Only about 10% of Israelis attend university. The Israeli secular schools operate under severe budgetary limitations and often are only open from 8:00 a.m. to 1:00 p.m. contrasted with this, if you drive through a Palestinian Village you will see Palestinian children walking to their rather primitive school building dressed in smart uniforms as early as seven or eight in the morning and they will stay there until 5:00 in the afternoon. The Palestinians are much more disciplined than the secular Israelis. From what I have read secular Israeli standardized test scores are much lower than Jewish test scores in the United States or Europe. In this sense Israel is very much like a Jewish Sparta, a macho militarized country that goes completely against the Jewish diaspora experience of being intellectual and cultural elites.

    Finally a point about Jewish breeding practices. Unlike Catholics who encourage their elites to go into celibate religious orders like the priesthood or monasteries and convents, Judaism traditionally encourages its elites to get married and to propagate. Jewish Talmudic scholars would win handsome dowries from the daughters of Rich Jewish merchants. They would marry and have enormous families. Traditional Jewish culture had a selective breeding practice that promoted the birth of highly intellectual people. That’s why you get so many funny looking brilliant Jews like Ron Unz for example. Jews self-select for brains rather than brawn.

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  388. Elvin Laton says: • Website

    Smartness is relative. My daddy used to call one of us kids smart, if we took initiative.
    Everyone has different “gifts.”

  389. gatobart says:

    In any case there is a very simply way to expose this Malla for the ignorant knows-it-all he is and his “Wall Street financed the Cuban Revolution, and Lumunba, and Che Guevara” babble as nonsense is by simply establishing the three categories in which fall most if not all Third world and revolutionary leaders that at some time or another had to do business with or confront the “American” empire:

    a) Leaders who stood their ground against the empire, never surrendered and prevailed.

    Ho Chi Mihn
    Fidel Castro
    Raul Castro
    Daniel Ortega
    Hugo Chavez
    Bashar el-Assad
    Ahmed Ben Bella
    Agostinho Nieto

    b) Leaders who resisted the empire and lost their battle:

    Patrice Lumumba
    Salvador Allende

    c) leaders who initially worked for the empire as pawns and who later tried to change sides:

    Saddam Hussein
    Muammar Qadaffi
    Manuel Noriega
    Ngo Dinh Diem

    That just off the top of my head. There are many others but these examples are numerous enough to establish a pattern. (I don’t include Che Guevara here because he was never the leader of a country of even that of a successful revolution)

    There is also a category d) but there is no need to mention it. One which includes all those who were loyal disciples of their imperial masters all the way and they can be counted by the dozens if not by the hundreds: Somoza, Batista, Duvalier, Marcos, Shah of Iran, Nguyen Van Thieu, etc. Most of them died also peacefully in bed, either still in power of in a golden exile, one rare exception to the rule being Somoza who ended blown up in pieces by a Tupamaros’ rocket in Montevideo.

    Clearly, for a Third World leader the best option seems to be either a loyal puppet of the empire for all of his life or fighting a successful revolution or fight for independence (a) as they will find there the best chances to finish their lives peacefully and in bed, even if in the case of Assad that is to be seen. Samora Machel seems to be a rare exception also, as he died in a plane crash that many still find suspect. In any instance Fate seems to protect this kind of leader, as most have proven able to elude every single attempt against their lives (more than 600 staged by the CIA against Fidel Castro, according to his own account).

    On the other hand, starting as a tool of the “American” empire or one of its European client states and then trying to change sides (c) seems to be as risky as fighting them and losing the battle. The end is usually very bad and we may even say Noriega was lucky after all for just ending up behind bars. (Ho Chi Mihn worked for US intelligence, the OSS, during WW2, it is true, but as a Vietnamese ally, not as a US puppet).

    Now, what this person Malls is saying is that, ALL these men, all these leaders from around the world, those who were loyal to the European and US empires and ended up rich and in power or in exile, as the ones who failed and ended up meeting horrible deaths, they were ALL living under the same roof, the roof of the money changers of Wall Street. All of them, including Patrice Lumunba and Che Guevara. Wow, crazier than that….

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    , @Malla
  390. Malla says:
    @gatobart

    Wow what an expose of Malla? Amazing!!! what logic!!! I am awe-struck. LOL.

  391. Malla says:
    @gatobart

    Malla, maybe this is news to you,

    Wow this is BIG NEWS. Front Page stuff.

    Sorry for my harsh words but when I see some people write crap (like what you wrote about India-China-USA relationships) it does piss me off. But thanks for bringing to my attention.
    Anyways you have “stopped reading my posts”, not primarily because of harsh language but because I decimate bullshit and destroy your false worldview.
    As far as me living in slums, why do leftists always attack their opponents from third World with this “insult”? I would have thought left wingers would be supporters of slum dwellers and poor (and their right to speak) but you are not the first one. Some of the biggest pussyboy snobs (“yew, he is a slum dwelling animal, yew, yuck”) seem to be leftards here. LOL

  392. @gatobart

    I changed my mind! I could do that and I did! that is a simple one: what! you want to close me down like Iranian Press!?

    so you maintained your cool! I am surprised! I always got Nazis/racists enraged previously. the impression I had of you is that you are a Bannon type – overweight, unkempt and easily irritated. maybe you just did it this one time, had some sort of pause and caught yourself in time

    I am happy with my attention span. open up your mind on nig nogs. it would pay you to regard us as broadly as you do any other human group.

    I keep telling you I am your father. we made you! its not the other way around.

    I see nothing going here on this thread that leads anywhere positive relative to the issues we are trying to deal with. if I never posted on this thread again, walk out and have to deal directly with all the issues touched here I would not be able to do effectively by anything learned here…unless I followed my own commentary.

    this talk shop is an end in itself for you guys! incredible! you all live for this talk, to come and shine here is all. nothing to do directly with the global disaster we are in the midst of that requires a solution. I see nothing proffered by gatorbart, Sulu as solution to this issue.

    I argued that the solution is popular revolution that sweeps away the old state creates a new popular way in the conditions to meet popular need. I also stated that that could contain many approaches across the nation, which is large, culturally regional, culturally different over its body to produce such varied popular responses, approaches and actions

    IQ, brains, are to be at the service of reality and immediate need to be valid. IQ is out of the situation, produced by it, developed by it, integrated with the reality and is supposed to be positively responsive at all times in all situations particularly when times are critical and solutions essential, the society in some level of desperation

    I see nothing positive going on here, nothing relevant to brains in our critical reality, in positive response to the current critical reality.

  393. Jokem says:
    @Mevashir

    Fred has elaborated at length on why he married a Mexican Woman.

    http://www.ejfi.org/Civilization/Civilization-12.htm

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  394. Malla says:
    @gatobart

    OK I think I was a bit harsh. Yes there are many leaders who were plant once by the globalist elites and then go independent.
    Fidel Castro and Khomeini were planted by the Globalists. Maybe they went rogue. Saddam was once one of theirs, he was in the globalist camp quite late until THEY turned on him. Hugo Chavez looted out Venezuela for Castro.

  395. Malla says:
    @gatobart

    No. It was Mahatma Gandhi. Why is that…?

    What rubbish, read a book
    Fidel: Hollywood’s Favorite Tyrant by Humberto Fontova

    “Cuba’s own Elvis”—that’s what Dan Rather calls him. Funny name for a man who has threatened the United States with war, who has made common cause with terrorists, and whose people risk death to escape him. But there’s a lot that Hollywood liberals and other Fidel Castro admirers would rather you didn’t know about the dictator of Cuba—like how he imprisoned more people as a percentage of population than Lenin or Stalin; how Fidel’s firing squads killed thousands of Cubans; how Fidel’s subjects would rather inject themselves with AIDS than live under his tyranny. Drawing on a wealth of research— including interviews with former Castro regime officials, anti-Castro freedom fighters, and Castro’s political prisoners— acclaimed author Humberto Fontova reveals the ugly face of the Castro regime. Along the way, he punctures some of the egregious myths about Cuba: · The Motorcycle Bore: The real Che Guevara—not the rebel rock star of T-shirt fame, but a battlefield incompetent, a puritan-Stalinist bore, and the man who sent thousands of innocent Cubans to the firing squads · Communist Economics 101: How Castro took Cuba from being a First World economy that had to turn away European emigrants to a country that even impoverished Haitians won’t emigrate to, with among some of the highest suicide and abortion rates in the world · Fidel the anti-black racist and unrepentant Communist— and his long list of useful idiots: from Jesse Jackson to Oliver Stone, George McGovern to Ted Turner, Bill Clinton to Steven Spielberg, to Katie Couric and many others.
    Dan Rather, apparently while foaming at the mouth, said Fidel was ‘Cuba’s own Elvis!” (p 11). Not to be outdone in fawning behavior, Diane Sawyer wrapped her arms around Castro and kissed him! Way to show lack of bias, right?

    Best of all is this nugget by what a certain Mr. Klavan calls ‘the former newspaper the New York Times’: “‘Fidel Castro is not only not a communist…he’s decidedly anti-Communist’” (p 45). The left knows the real truth behind the silly apparent truth!

    The brilliant mind of Jack Nicholson intuited that Castro was “A genius!” (p 11).
    Oliver Stoned babbled that Fidel was ‘”one of the world’s wisest men!”
    Chevy Chase pontificated that “Socialism works!” And if you’re a movie star, virtue signaling the progressive take on things, no one is going to mention that slaves in 1842 had food rations about double that of the happy, happy populace of today.
    Bonnie Raitt loved Castro and Cuba so much she wrote the song, ‘Cuba is Way Too Cool’ apparently in her best pigeon English. Nobody asked Raitt to explain why all those citizens kept trying to flee Cuba. Or why the suicide rate in the island paradise of Cuba was double Latin America’s average and triple Cuba’s pre-Castro rate.
    Steven Spielberg said of meeting Castro that it was the “most important 8 hours of my life”.

  396. Malla says:
    @gatobart

    One more book about how Globocorp Capitalist Western Media outlets went gaga over this guy Castrated…oops…sorry Castro.

    The Longest Romance: The Mainstream Media and Fidel Castro by Humberto Fontova

    Fidel Castro jailed political prisoners at a higher rate than Stalin during the Great Terror. But you would never guess any of that from reading the mainstream American media. Instead we hear fawning accounts of Castro “liberating” Cuba from the clutches of U.S. robber-barons and bestowing world-class healthcare and education on his downtrodden citizens. “Propaganda is vital—the heart of our struggle,” Castro wrote in 1955. Today, the concept is as valid to the Cuban regime as ever.

    History records few propaganda campaigns as phenomenally successful or enduring as Castro and Che’s. The Longest Romance exposes the full scope of this deception; it documents the complicity of major U.S. media players in spreading Castro’s propaganda and in colouring the world’s view of his totalitarian regime. Castro’s cachet as a celebrity icon of anti-Americanism has always overshadowed his record as a warmonger, racist, sexist, Stalinist, and godfather of modern terrorism. The Longest Romance uncovers this shameful history and names its major accomplices.
    This book describes in great and disturbing detail the repressiveness, brutality, and horror of the Stalinist regime in Cuba, and the mixture of useful idiots and communists who have promoted Castro and his regime over the years. The book thoroughly debunks most of the myths surrounding the revolution and its aftermath. Most of the “useful idiots” in the media don’t seem to realize that in an oppressive dictatorship like Cuba the media is only going to be shown the flattering aspects and told flattering stories.The book is very well written,reveals the true story of what Fidel called revolution, how he lied about his true purpose : to impose communism, destroy a beautiful country, make the Cuban people poor , hungry, destroy families and send anybody who did not agree with him to jails that looked more like hell on earth, and were treated worse than animals..

  397. gatobart says:
    @Malla

    I don’t know what part of “I don’t read your comments anymore” you don’t understand. Maybe the “don’t” I guess.

  398. Mevashir says:
    @Malla

    According to this book by the former Chief Rabbi of Israel, Castro was the most intelligent world leader he ever met. His book has a fascinating chapter describing his meeting and long discussion with Castro. The rabbi requested that Cuba import Jewish foods for the holiday of Passover. Castro responded by saying that if the rabbi used his connections to lift American sanctions against Cuba, he would be happy to comply. He also answered the rabbi’s request to import kosher meat from South America that he could not do this when so many Cubans were starving under American-led sanctions. Castro was no fool.

    He also told the rabbi that when he was a child growing up in Cuba and attending Catholic schools, he was forced to imbibe an enormous amount of anti-Semitism from the nuns. He told the rabbi with pride that under the Cuban Revolution all of that prejudice was done away with. And it’s true that the number three man in Cuba for many years was a high level Mossad operative.

    I once met a Cuban emigre in a Catholic Church in North Carolina. She lived in Miami but was visiting family. I told her after Mass that I had just read a book about Cuba that claimed that prior to Castro Havana was the drug gambling and prostitution center of the western hemisphere. She looked at me like a moth caught in headlights and then stammered, “Yes but we had good jobs and lots of money!” And this from the mouth of a devout Catholic!

    I have a scan of the chapter from Rabbi Lau’s book on his meeting with Castro. I can email it to you if you would like to read it. It might show you a different side of Fidel Castro:
    Mevashir [at] AOL [dot] com

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  399. Mevashir says:
    @Mevashir

    I have a scan of the chapter from Rabbi Lau’s book on his meeting with Castro.

    I uploaded the chapter scan temporarily to my Drive account if you would like to read it:
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1GnwJDwNjEVYpZa5aLwiq51eeJoaZ4PzL/view?usp=drivesdk

  400. Mevashir says:
    @Malla

    We understand how much you hate Castro. But perhaps you could explain to us why you think Batista, servant of organized crime and American corporate imperialism, was preferable to Castro. Thanks.

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    , @Malla
  401. Truth says:
    @Malla

    Here’s the classic Starsky and Hutch, Mumbai clip.

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  402. @gatobart

    QUOTE: See, that is why many of you have so much trouble trying to fit among educated, civilized people because it doesn’t take much to irritate and to make you show the monkey in a suit, the under 80 IQ underclass. ”

    You are in the wrong trade gatorbart! that there is brilliant comedy. there is your real calling…on a stage with a mike drawing yuk yuks from audiences

  403. @Leo Den

    Its all over-the drop from here on will be near-exponential.

  404. gatobart says:
    @Truth

    Malla hates with burning passion both China and Cuba because those are countries that are proud, independent and busting at the seams with patriotism and dignity, something that India will never be. Those are the countries he hates the most, in the case of Cuba because a little and poor island distant only 90 mil. from the U.S. has been able to defend herself for more than 60 years from it and still keep free and independent, something India, a hundred times bigger and 10.000 miles away from the empire has never had the courage to do. And in the case of China because Chima will be in one decade or two the undisputed world superpower while India will still be the backward, underdeveloped, corrupt nation it is now.

    • Thanks: Mevashir
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  405. Jokem says:
    @Mevashir

    I am unable to frame my ideas into words very well on this. Let us just say Batista was typical of Third World Dictators. He was happy to accumulate wealth by using his position as the big boss. He did not run Cuba into the ground like Castro did.

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    , @Mevashir
    , @Malla
  406. gatobart says:
    @Jokem

    Cursed tyrant Castro…! he robbed young beautiful Cuban girls of a promising future as comfort women, prostitutes and eye candy for “American” mafiosi, giving them instead in exchange, education, health care and a decent way of living. What a monster…!

    • Replies: @Jokem
  407. Mevashir says:
    @Jokem

    Let us just say Batista was typical of Third World Dictators. He was happy to accumulate wealth by using his position as the big boss. He did not run Cuba into the ground like Castro did.

    I’ve heard this claim from the bourgeoise Cubans who fled the revolution. However do you think Castro should get ANY credit for cleaning up Havana and removing the gambling drugs and prostitution?

    It’s interesting to note that often socialist revolutions have a strongly moralistic tone with a crusade against vice and prurience a prominent theme. Certainly the Nazis did this as did Castro:
    https://www.darkmoon.me/2018/before-hitler-came-how-the-germans-went-crazy-for-sex/
    https://www.darkmoon.me/2013/the-sexual-decadence-of-weimar-germany/

    It seems that Capitalist apologists simply shrug their shoulders and say this is the inevitable downside of economic freedom. Is that really the best we can do?

    You probably know that in immediate response to Castro’s expropriation of Mafia properties, the Mob turned to Las Vegas and created a gambling paradise there. It was a simple army transit point in WWII, but when Meyer Lansky and Bugsy Segal (the Jewish CEOs of the “Italian” Mafia) surveyed it they thought it would be an ideal gambling location, in the middle of the desert with nothing else to do.

    This fascinating book goes into great detail about the Mafia’s grievances against JFK for allowing Castro to seize their Cuban properties. It strongly implies a Mob role in his assassination:

  408. Jokem says:
    @gatobart

    I want to hear how Batista forced people into those rackets?

    I understand sometimes young girls are forcibly raped to turn then into prostitutes.
    I don’t think anyone forced needles into someone’s arm or dragged them to a casino at gunpoint.

    Also, when did Batista keep people from seeking sanctuary in the USA.

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  409. gatobart says:
    @Jokem

    You are a moron.

    A moron who doesn’t know that 99.999999% of the time girls entering prostitution rings in the Third World, and now in countries of eastern Europe like Kosovo and Ukraine, do it NOT TO STARVE…! Sometimes it is even their mothers who sell them into prostitution for the same reason, to spare the whole family from starving.. Again, what and idiot.

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  410. Jokem says:
    @gatobart

    Since you have resorted to pejorative language, I am done discussing this with you.
    I am also ignoring your comments.

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  411. Malla says:
    @gatobart

    I come to this page after some gap and I see crackpot getfarts farting his bullshit again and Mevashir with no idea about things here, thanking him for this crackpots fart.
    I do not hate China or Cuba. You must be new here. Indeed of all the Indians here, I am the one who has taken China’s side, this is something known to all Chinese commentators here like showmethereal, ddan, anti-beast etc…
    I am just explaining how the majority of Indians think? And Indians are not proud of their country? LOL. India is going through a hyper-nationalist phase. One does not have be Marxist to be nationalist, indeed in India, Marxism like Westernism, Islamism and Christianity are considered foreign things. Indian nationalism is Hindutva today as it is considered a much more native ideology.
    Indians consider China as an Imperialist country, rightly or wrongly and Indians consider themselves the resistance to Chinese hegemony.

    Those are the countries he hates the most, in the case of Cuba because a little and poor island distant only 90 mil. from the U.S. has been able to defend herself for more than 60 years from it

    America could have decimated Cuba with ease after the USSR ended but went on to go and decimate countries further away with more powerful defense forces like Iraq and Yugoslavia. Which further increases the suspicion about Cuba. You must be a nutcase if you believe bullshit like 600 attempts on Castro’s life and exploding cigars. LOL. it is because idiots like you exist that the deep state releases unbelievable bullshit like this.

    something India, a hundred times bigger and 10.000 miles away from the empire has never had the courage to do.

    More key. India gave the USA the middle finger in 1971 and sent in its army to liberate Bangladesh/ East Pakistan from Pakistan/West Pakistan. The USA and UK sent it s fleet against India and China was massing its troops on its borders to save their ally Pakistan. Yes both USA and China were in the same team. Instead of giving up cowering like coward infront of overwhelming forces against it i.e. Pakistan+USA+UK+China, India went in and signed a treaty with the USSR. The USSR sent submarines to counter the American and British fleet from Vladivostok, threatened China with consequences on its northern borders with the USSR if it took actions against India. Cleared of all this American and Chinese distractions thanks to the USA, the Indian army moved in, in support of the Bangladeshi independence rebel, while fighting Pakistani forces on its Western border. And India crushed the Pakistani Army in Bangladesh. 90000 Pakistani troops had to surrender to the Indian Army.
    That is why (and many reasons) why the average Indian is pro-Russia even today. It became pro-West only because of its enmity with China who has allied with the enemy of India, Pakistan.

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  412. Malla says:
    @Mevashir

    We understand how much you hate Castro.

    Who is this we we? How you YOU become WE? And no I have nothing against Castro. Saying that Castro was the only solution to Batista is like saying “jump into the fire from the frying pan.” Replacing one bad option with a much worse option.

    Here is a book which is a must read for Cuba

    Márquez-Sterling’s book dispells many myths about Cuba and shows that it was a progressive country with a prosperous future, positioned to become a First World country, with a large middle class, a fine educational system open to all classes, and high standards of living. According to Márquez-Sterling, his book is “a cautionary tale—no country is exempt from a collapse like this.” Masterful propaganda by Castro himself as well as the American press cast Castro as a “pro-democracy hero”, avoiding scrutiny of his plans for a brutal totalitarian state under his control.

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  413. Malla says:
    @Jokem

    A book along with the other book I suggested worth reading

    Against All Hope: A Memoir of Life in Castro’s Gulag by Armando Valladares

    Arrested in 1960 for being philosophically and religiously opposed to communism, Armando Valladares was interned at Cuba’s infamous Isla de Pinos Prison. His life in Castro’s gulag was a hell of violence and disease, putrid food and squalid living conditions, forced labor and solitary confinement, and hazardous escape attempts. Valladares survived by prayer and poetry. His writing, smuggled out to Europe and the U.S., made him one of the world’s most celebrated prisoners of conscience. As a result of pressure from international human rights organizations, the Castro regime finally released him in 1982. Armando Valladares was a political prisoner in Castro’s Cuba for twenty-two years. After international pressure led to his release, he came to the United States. He spent many years in Madrid and now lives with his family in Miami.

    A narratives about the resilience of the human spirit in the face of totalitarianism. Now, with a new prologue by the author, which tells of his life since prison and brings the story of Cuban dissidence up to the case of Elian Gonzalez, this story of strength and survival is more relevant than ever.

    J.L. Nesto comments on amazon after reading this book
    This probably one of the most powerful books i’ve ever read. The things that men and women like Armando Valladares went through in the Cuban prison systems is nothing short of horryfying. The media has made Fidel Castro out to be somewhat of a hero. There is nothing further from the truth. Armando Valladares is a true hero and deserves all the good life has to offer for his will to resist and never accept communism no matter the cost. Even if it meant his death. During my time reading this book, I found it very difficult to complain about how my days went. Every time I got home and picked up this book, I knew, I knew that whatever complaint I had about my “rough day” paled in comparison to what Armando and his fellow prisoners went through. I thank God everyday for blessing me with the comforts and luxuries I that I take for granted everyday after reading this book.”

  414. Mevashir says:
    @Malla

    We means everyone on this thread. You say you have nothing against Castro? Are you lying to yourself or to the rest of us?

    If Cuba was such a great progressive first world country, what happened to their military? How did Castro’s band of ragtag revolutionaries manage to take over the country? Why did Cuba’s allies fail to intervene to help it? Your comments make no sense.

    As for Cuban prisons, I suspect prisoners anywhere in the world have it pretty bad.

  415. Mevashir says:
    @Malla

    I would add a few more points. If Cuba is as bad under Castro as you claim, then you would have every right to hate Castro. And if you don’t hate Castro after listing so many terrible things you claim he did, then I would say there’s something really wrong with you.

    Every country in the world has diplomatic relations with Communist Cuba except for the United States. Why? Canada is not communist. Most of the countries in Latin America are right wing dictatorships. Europe Asia. They all have diplomatic relations with Cuba. How do you explain that?

    I didn’t say Castro was the only solution to Batista. But he was the only solution that came along. How do you explain that? The Mafia and the American government seemed content to allow Havana the “privilege” of being the drug gambling and prostitution mecca of the western hemisphere. How do you you explain that that?

  416. Mevashir says:
    @Malla

    You must be a nutcase if you believe bullshit like 600 attempts on Castro’s life and exploding cigars. LOL. it is because idiots like you exist that the deep state

    This is a good point. I’m not saying your claims about Cuba are wrong. Just unbalanced.

    I live in Colorado near a major University. I used to go to the International Student Center which had a dinner for the community every Friday night. Most of the foreign students are Arab and Chinese but there are also a lot from India. I remember one evening talking to two of the Indian graduate students. I was amazed how much they knew about American history and Christianity. When I and most Americans know almost nothing about India. They clearly are extremely intelligent.

    I did learn two things from them. One the name of your country in Hindi is Bharrat. And two India comes from the word Hindu and really means Hindia or land of the Hindus. I lived in South Africa for a number of years and there is a very large Indian community there both Hindu and Muslim. Some of the leading television stars in South Africa are Indian and there is a dedicated Bollywood channel on their TV Network.

    As for India’s shift to the West, Russia is no longer communist so you would think it would have even more reason for India to be aligned with Russia. Does Russia’s fervent Orthodox Christian resurgence threaten India more than its communism did? Something you ought to ponder. Also what do you think about India’s alliance with Israel, which has helped develop its nuclear program and so many other military technologies? I understand it India is a very popular destination for young Israelis after they finish their military service. What do Indians think about Israelis in Goa or up in the Himalayan Foothills?

    I do think you are a very thoughtful and excellent writer even if I’m not sure I can agree with you about Cuba.

  417. Mevashir says:
    @Malla

    Some questions for you to engage about India if you would honor us with your insights.

    I used to attend a Catholic Church in Colorado. Both priests were Indian. One American Indian Cherokee and the other from your country. He came from the south I think Karaga and told me that 30% of Southern Indians are Catholic. Is that true? He also told me that all of the Hindu elites send their kids to Catholic schools for education because they are considered superior.

    Is it just a coincidence that Indian Independence Day August 15th is the Catholic feast day of the assumption of the Virgin Mary into heaven? Are most Indians aware that Thomas is the patron saint of India? Do Hindu Indians take pride in their Catholic heritage?

    As far as China goes, I would not call them imperialist. I would say they are very successful businessmen and are taking over the world through savvy business practices. The Chinese manufacture just about everything. I can’t think of a single Indian product that is sold internationally except for Bollywood movies call service centers and Taj Mahal beer!

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  418. Malla says:
    @Mevashir

    I will answer you other posts later. This one, right now.

    He came from the south I think Karaga and told me that 30% of Southern Indians are Catholic. Is that true?

    The state in South India is Kerela, so you are close. The people there speak a language called Malayalam. It is a Dravidian language and for a North Indian like me where we speak Aryan languages, their language is as alien to me as Bahasa Indonesian. English and German are linguistically closer to Hindu than Malayalam!!!

    I would say 30% of Kerala’s (not all of South India’s) population are Christians, mostly Catholics but we have Protestants, mostly Anglicans and even a few Syrian Orthodox too. Actually Christianity had reached Kerala pretty early and the original Christians are called St. Thomas Christians. I had heard that many of them are descended from Christian Jews from the Middle East and local Brahmans (uppermost castes-priests). Possibly Nestorian Christians, many churches there call themselves Nasrani.

    Kerela has the highest literacy rate in India and some of the best social indicators in India. This is partly due to missionary activities during British times even though most of Kerela was not part of British India but was a Princely State, Travancore. The Travancore Kingdom were traditionally very friendly to the English but did not get along well with the Dutch.
    Princely States were semi-independent states within British India and they swore loyalty to the King Emperors of India (British Royal family). But except that they were quite independent to levy taxes the way they wished, to have their own currencies, postal systems etc… For some reason, the Travancore Royal family were very progressive even though they were Hindu.
    They had some very enlightened British residents too along with a very progressive Royal family.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Munro,_9th_of_Teaninich
    General John Munro (June 1778 – 25 January 1858) of the H.E.I.C.S was a Scottish soldier and administrator who served as Resident and Diwan of the States of Travancore and Cochin between 1810 and 1819.
    John Munro was a major figure in the development of the states of Travancore and Cochin.[4][8][9] In the aftermath of the attack by Velu Thampi Dalawa on the East India Company, he was appointed Resident of the Company for these kingdoms in 1810. Col. Munro also served as Diwan (Prime Minister) to the Regents Rani Gouri Lakshmi Bai and Rani Gouri Parvati Bai of Travancore and Raja Kerala Varma of Cochin from 1812 to 1814.[10] With his freedom of action, he won such confidence of the rulers and the people as to be able to introduce the practice, in the administration of justice, of having a Christian sitting on the bench as judge beside a Brahmin.[4]

    He influenced these rulers to introduce many progressive reforms.[11] During his tenure as Diwan, he reformed the judicial system, improved the revenue of the states, prevented corruption and mismanagement and started the process of abolishing slavery. Slavery was abolished in Munroe Island on 8 March 1835 and finally by Royal proclamation of the Maharajah (King) of Travancore in 1853 and 1855. Munro removed many taxes levied on the poorer sections of the community. With deep Christian convictions, he persuaded the Rani (Queen) of Travancore to donate land in Kottayam as well as the money and timber, in-order to build the Orthodox Pazhaya Seminary and also petitioned the Church Missionary Society to send missionaries on a Help Mission, to educate and train the clergy of the Malankara Church.[12][13][14][15] In 1816, the Church Missionary Society sent Benjamin Bailey, Henry Baker senior, and Joseph Fenn, who established what became CMS College Kottayam. Bailey was the first principal. With Munro’s support, Bailey had the bible translated into Malayalam.[16] About the same time, Thomas Norton established a CMS School at Alleppy. The network of schools established by missionaries, and also their wives, meant Travancore led the world in primary education for girls as well as boys, and laid the foundations for the high levels of literacy in Kerala.[17]

    Munro is remembered as one of the most brilliant and popular administrators of the kingdoms of Cochin and Travancore.[8] The Travancore State Manual of 1906 said of him “He has left an imperishable name in the hearts of the Travancore population for justice and probity. The most ignorant peasant or cooly in Travancore knows the name of Munrole Sahib… He worked with a single-handed devotion to the interests of the state.”[10] Canon Horace Monroe claimed “He lived to see Muslims and high caste Hindus appreciate the integrity and fairness of Christian judges, and he paved the way for those who since his day have tried to interpret Western Christianity to the Eastern people.”[4]

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  419. Malla says:
    @Mevashir

    He also told me that all of the Hindu elites send their kids to Catholic schools for education because they are considered superior.

    Yes, correct. Mostly elites in India Hindu, Muslim, sikhs etc… send their children to “Convent Schools”, or Catholic schools run by fathers and nuns as they are considered superior.

    Is it just a coincidence that Indian Independence Day August 15th is the Catholic feast day of the assumption of the Virgin Mary into heaven?

    I did not know that. Thanks for letting me know. Actually India’s Independence Day date was they wish of our last Viceroy, Lord Mountbatten as this was the day Japan surrendered in 1945. On August 15, 1945, Japanese Emperor Hirohito gave a recorded radio address, which later came to be known as the Jewel Voice Broadcast. In the radio address, he announced the surrender of Japan to the Allies. Mountbatten remembered hearing the news of Japanese surrender that day sitting in Churchill’s room, and as the Supreme Allied Commander of South East Asia Command signed the formal Japanese surrender of Singapore on September 4, 1945. That is why South Korea and India share the same date of Independence, 15th August. So he considered this day very auspicious. Our first PM Jawaharlal Nehru preferred the date, 26th January as this was the date he had started his revolutionary political career. Nehru wanted 26th Jan 1948 to be the Independence Day for India but Lord Mountbatten insisted 15th August 1947. Mountbatten won, the day fixed for Indian Independence was 15th August 1947. Pundits and astrologers were consulted and they said that the only auspicious period was midnight, that is why the flag raising ceremony of the Indian tri-colour flag was on midnight. We could have had a grand parade ceremony during a day with elephants and all that but it was ll done fast on a midnight.
    But Nehru had to wait for 3 years to get “his date” recognized. India was a dominion for three years where out head of State were the British Monarch. The queen was represented during those three years by a Governer General who was Indian, C. Rajagopalachari. During this time there was a war in between India and Pakistan, both sharing the same heads of states, the British Monarch, both sides swearing loyalty to the same supreme sovereign and fighting each other. LOL.
    In 1950 India became a republic and we got the post of President. So Nehru made 26th August our “Republic Day”. So both Lord Mountbatten and Jawaharlal Nehru were satisfied and we got our national dates!!!

    As far as China goes, I would not call them imperialist

    Indians PERCEIVE P.R. China as an Imperialist State.

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  420. Mevashir says:
    @Malla

    Thank you for these two amazing replies. You obviously are extremely intelligent. Are you an academic? Can you tell us anything about your professional background?

    Did you know that the same Lord Mountbatten who was so instrumental to Indian independence (I never knew that) was assassinated by Zionist terrorists? He had been appointed by the UN to arbitrate the Partition Plan between Israel and Palestine but Zionist terrorists did away with him.

    Is there a way to communicate with you outside of this thread? The American missionary I met in Israel after I was baptized, who invited me back to the States, would visit Southern India every year. He loved Indian culture and totally adopted the Indian diet and grooming as well.

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  421. Mevashir says:
    @Malla

    Dear Mr Malla,

    A few more questions if you might indulge my curiosity. There is no rush in responding. But I imagine other commentators here also would be curious because people in the West know so little about India!

    1. Are you male or female? Is Malla your real name? Is it a Hindi word and what does it mean?

    2. Does India suffer from malaria? Do Indian people carry the sickle cell trait the way Africans do?

    3. What percentage of Indians are genuinely vegan? Do you think this makes them protein deprived?

    4. Do Indians resent the Chinese for the fact that they poach tigers for supposed medicinal properties?

    5. There are many Nazi sympathizers who comment at the Unz review. Can you explain the connection between white European supremacism and Aryanism, which I understand originates in India? Why do white Europeans try to trace themselves to dark-skinned Indian Aryans?

    6. This question might make you laugh so forgive me. But Americans really know next to nothing about India except that it is a large and mysterious country. Why was India called The Crown Jewel of the British Empire? What did it contribute to the British Empire? Was it mainly geographically strategic or did it actually produce economic value? And why did the British give India up relatively easily?

    7. At the peak of the British Empire, how many British Nationals lived in India? Did they ever intermarry with Indians or was there a very strict racial separation? You might find it of interest to know that in South Africa the English were considered underminers of the Dutch apartheid system. The English operated the large gold and diamond mines that utilized black labor and were generally considered more favorable to Blacks than the Dutch farmers were. Also the English missionaries were much more aggressive in outreach to African blacks, something that the Dutch Reformed Church avoided almost at all costs. So at least in South Africa the English often were perceived as aiding and abetting African nationalism.

    8. When I attended a Jerusalem Yeshiva nearly 40 years ago, I learned of the theory that the term Brahmin derives from the biblical character Abraham. There is a story in Genesis that after his wife Sarah died, Abraham married a third woman named Ketura and had numerous children from her. The text says he sent these children away to the east after nominating Isaac as his main heir. Most Bible commentators think the East means somewhere in the Middle East, but there are some rabbis who believe the East could allude to India and that the Brahmin caste took its name from Abraham as their ancestor. Are Indians aware of this idea and do you think it could have any credibility? I believe that Hinduism is considered to be older than Judaism correct?

    9. The Indian graduate students I met here in Colorado a number of years ago told me that, in contradiction to the claims of Christianity, Hinduism is not actually polytheistic but believes in a single Supreme Deity. Is that correct?

    10. I like to listen to Buddhist Meditation talks. I very much like their idea of breathing exercises living in the present and appreciating the miracle of the here and the now. I have heard that Hindus view Buddhism as a heresy. Are there any Buddhists in India? Is Buddhism tolerated? Is part of the rivalry between India and China the fact that China traditionally was a strongly Buddhist country? I read the story of the famous Sikh convert to Christianity named Sadhu Sundar Singh. He was renowned as a Christian holy man who used to walk over the Himalayas barefoot to preach in Tibet and Nepal. Supposedly he was murdered by extremist Buddhist followers. Is this something you would expect from Buddhists towards Christianity?

    Thank you so much for educating us about your country. With soon to be one-quarter of the world’s population, India demands much greater respect and understanding from the rest of the world.

    Shalom,
    Mevashir

    PS My American name is Michael. Mevashir is a blogging name that consists of two Hebrew words MEVASSER + SHIR meaning to evangelize with song. I haven’t been doing much singing lately due to the trauma of covid lockdowns as well as the death of my dear wife Elisheva last year.

    Mevashir [AT] aol [DOT] com

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  422. Mevashir says:
    @Malla

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Night_with_the_King

    This was a very popular Christian movie from 2006. It was filmed in India with a largely Indian cast depicting the Biblical story of Esther, the Jewish Queen of Persia.

    Thank you for your detailed explanation of the cultural advantages in Kerala. I have heard of anti-Christian Hindu violence in the north of India. Does this problem occur in the South as well?

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  423. gatobart says:
    @Jokem

    Good, because you are either a moron, a troll or a ten year old kid posting off his mom’s basement. No, change that, even 10 year old kids know that in the Third World girls fall into prostitution because of hunger so you must be either one of the two first so there could be no upside even paying attention to you.

  424. gatobart says:
    @Malla

    Face it,Malla, you are just one mouth foaming, hateful, resentful and jealous little Indian who can’t stand the existence of nations and leaders who are or have been proud and courageous patriots and who had taken their people and countries to national independence and national dignity and who to this day are making them progress and advance. You can’t stand them, let alone their successes and achievements. And you know what is the worse part of it,..? that there is more than a billion like you over there where you came from. But it is understandable: how could you be otherwise than foaming at the mouth with hatred and rage when watching China, the country you hate the most, going from being a backwards impoverish Third World kraphole only five decades ago to become now the main industrial and economic power in the world, and the one projected to be the world hyper power in a couple of decades, a country where the government has performed the miracle of making of more than half a billion poor illiterate peasants, a prosperous and proud middle class…? How a thing like that wouldn’t have you foaming at the mouth and smoking from every body orifice when India is still the backward poor and corrupt backward, fanatically servile to its Anglo Saxon masters, sheethole it was five decades ago and do it will be in ten, twenty, a hundred years from now…? I can understand you, but still you disgust me. Your hatred and jealousy of other prouder people makes you for an unpleasant, even repulsive, little fellow, no wonder you rage tends to explode in the form of deeply offensive and obscene language, for example when addressing others using words like say, “yours are the farts of a diseased monkey” and some others beauties of the sort. Poor you.

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  425. Malla says:
    @gatobart

    You really are a brain dead moron, probably one of the worst on this site, still blabbering nonsense like a broken tape player.

    when watching China, the country you hate the most

    Really? Go check my earlier posts, I have actually taken China’s side in its border dispute over India just because I felt China was on the right on that one. Only 0.0000001 or less Indians would even do that.

    India is still the backward poor and corrupt backward, fanatically servile to its Anglo Saxon masters,

    Why do so many leftists here love to make fun of poor countries? I see this often and something one would not expect from leftists. Indeed you as well as other leftards here have made more fun of poverty in India than so called “rightwingers” and “racists”. That is why I always tell, something is weird about Marxists, something about them is off. All this hatred because India refuses to conform to your childish and stupid Communist “revolutionaries” Vs Imperialist fantasies? We “love” our Anglo-Saxon masters soooo much that our Indian education system’s history lessons are full of anti-British Empire hatred, false hoods and propaganda. Our media is full of anti-British propaganda too but guess they are full of anti-China propaganda as well. What kind of love is that. LOL. You need to get this in your thick head. In India, in a person, anti-British feelings correlates 100% with anti-China feelings because China is seen as the new British Raj.
    India, the ancient, India the mysterious is where your childish Imperialists Vs Communists false narrative falls apart. India is always different that way. Always unique.

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  426. Malla says:
    @Mevashir

    Thank you for your kind words. I am just an Engineer.

    Lord Mountbatten who was so instrumental to Indian independence (I never knew that) was assassinated by Zionist terrorists?

    Yes I am aware of that.

    1. Are you male or female? Is Malla your real name? Is it a Hindi word and what does it mean?

    I am a guy. In Hindi it means nothing. I just a made up a name. Only later I found out that during the Scythian migrations into India in ancient times from Central Asia, one of them many Indo-Scythians peoples was called Malla.

    Does India suffer from malaria? Do Indian people carry the sickle cell trait the way Africans do?

    Sure we do suffer from Malaria. I do not think, we carry the sickle cell trait Africans carry. We are genetically very distant from Africans, much more closer to Australian Aborigines, Europeans and East Asians. Indeed we are a combination population of the three.

    What percentage of Indians are genuinely vegan? Do you think this makes them protein deprived?

    Only a small percentage of Indians are actually vegan and most of them Westernised Indians. Traditionally a significant minority of Indians are vegetarians. I would not call them vegan as they partake in milk and dairy and products, indeed it is an essential source of their Vitamin B-12. Milk, butter, buttermilk, curd, paneer (a type of cheese) and most importantly ghee. Ghee is basically clarified butter or butter with the water evaporated off, or just call if “butter oil”. Because there is no water content, it can last for a long time without refrigeration, which helps in a hot country.
    In India normally it are the upper castes and Jains who tend to be vegetarians but this differs from castes to castes. There are some Indians who eat non Veg food and some lower castes who eat only Veg. Jains can be even more strict and avoid root vegetables sometimes. Muslims as usual eat meat excluding pork. Christians eat both pork and beef. Hindus in avoid beef. It is a big sin to eat beef.

    Does this makes us protein deprived? I believe so. But only up to a small extent. I have seen vegeterian Indians who are physically strong and smart. But we Indians in general have had been quite a physically weak people and with few exceptions, conquered easily by outsiders. But there could be other reasons too. Indians have genetically mutated for a high-carb diet according to some research. Also there are many plant based types of proteins. As I have said, I have seen only a small difference in physiques of vegetarians and non-vegetarians.

    Do Indians resent the Chinese for the fact that they poach tigers for supposed medicinal properties?

    Those Indians who are in the know, surely do hate the Chinese for this. Most educated Indians take Tiger Conservation very seriously, indeed we can be quite emotional about this topic. Our tiger numbers have been falling for some time but we have seen some good news too recently of expanding populations in some of our national parks. However the Chinese are not considered the sole culprits for this problem.

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  427. Malla says:
    @Mevashir

    Can you explain the connection between white European supremacism and Aryanism, which I understand originates in India? Why do white Europeans try to trace themselves to dark-skinned Indian Aryans?

    A common people (mostly light haired and light eyed) from Central Asia/Eastern Europe invaded various parts of the world about 4000 + years ago. Some of them went to the rest of Europe, some to Anatolia/Turkey, some to what is today Xingjiang (Tocharians) and some came down to Persia and India. Some of them called themselves Aryan or “noble”. This explains why linguistically, genetically and even in the case of ancient pre-Christian/pre-Islamic mythology, we see strange similarities in between ancient primordial Vedic Hinduism, Zoroastrianism and pre Zoroastrianism Persian religions as well as most of the the pagan religions of Europe. As well as linguistic similarities across Eurasia. The Indo-European family of languages. In India those migrants/ invaders intermixed with the original inhabitants and now part of our genetic mix. I am upper caste North Indian Hindu and my Y-DNA ancestry came from the Ukraine according to a test I did.
    Here are the related languages in our family which includes English, Sanskrit, Persian/Farsi, Latin, German, Russian etc….

    More on the ancient Indo-European migrations.

    I have written many posts on this before
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/heres/#comment-4031059
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/heres/#comment-4031080
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/heres/#comment-4033620
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/heres/#comment-4033630
    https://www.unz.com/article/sir-richard-francis-burton-explorer-linguist-race-realist/?showcomments#comment-4572824
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/heres/#comment-4034736
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/heres/#comment-4034979
    https://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/the-dalai-lama-white-europe-and-the-third-worlds-drift-from-pride-to-parasitism/?showcomments#comment-2527645
    https://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/the-dalai-lama-white-europe-and-the-third-worlds-drift-from-pride-to-parasitism/?showcomments#comment-2531177

  428. gatobart says:
    @Malla

    Blah, blah, blah.
    Yeah right. Keep babbling, yet actions will still speak louder than all you babble and blather:

    “The United States sees India as one of its most important partners in dealing with China’s growing ambitions in the Indian Ocean region and the Biden administration has demonstrated that early on, experts told CNBC on Monday.

    U.S. Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin met with India’s Defense Minister Rajnath Singh over the weekend on his first foreign trip in the role as the two sides concluded talks on defense cooperation. Austin also visited Japan and South Korea last week, Washington’s closest military allies in Asia.
    “It’s important that the secretary of Defense has made a trip to India on his first trip to Asia, along with Japan and South Korea,” Dhruva Jaishankar, executive director at think tank Observer Research Foundation America, said on CNBC

    Jaishankar also said the Biden administration’s investment in the Quad — the informal strategic alliance between the U.S., India, Australia and Japan — is equally important.
    Austin called India an “increasingly important partner among today’s rapidly shifting international dynamic,” saying the bilateral relationship is a “stronghold of a free and open Indo-Pacific region.”
    CNBC
    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/22/india-us-relations-new-delhi-is-a-key-partner-in-tackling-china.html

    “Defense cooperation”, ” important partner” “strategic partner along with Australia and Japan” …wait a minute, aren’t those words the US government and MSM use to refer to US puppet & vassal states…? Oh, yeah.. But it becomes even better:

    INDIA — AMERICA’S NEW VASSAL STATE?

    “In the name of privatization and reform, India is selling all its assets in the form of corporate ownership. US influence in the media is very obvious, with CNN, CNBC and other American logos prevalent on Indian TV channels. Google and Facebook also censor and filter information, thus controlling what Indians read and watch. Control the media and the information, you control the people and the politics”

    “Also, rather than developing its own versions of Facebook, Google, smartphones etc., India took the quick way out by simply “borrowing” those tools. However, these software programs are also tools that spy on Indians and manipulate what Indians think by censoring and filtering news and information. These tools also create dependency, which will be used against India if it starts to disobey in the future. Suddenly, all those things people take for granted — Facebook, Google, Paypal, Amazon etc. — will stop working if the Indian government doesn’t bow to Washington DC. For life under US sanctions, talk to Syria, Iran, Russia etc”

    As Wikileaks reported, the CIA now has access to all the National biometric ID database (Aaadhar) — fingerprints, eye scans etc. — of hundreds of millions of Indians. (More information on this here). Also, US manufacturer ES&S has admitted that it can remotely access electronic voting machines (EVM) used in voting in India. This means elections can be hacked and rigged to change the vote counts and pick the winners.

    As for military and geopolitics, India is obviously becoming a pawn in American chessboard. India will be used for proxy wars against China. A smarter way would have been to join the Belt and Road, use China’s leverage over Pakistan to solve the Kashmir issue, and create regional prosperity and stability”
    https://worldaffairs.blog/2018/04/03/india-americas-new-vassal-state/

    See how all your fury, your babble and your blather don’t stand against those realities…?

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  429. Mevashir says:
    @Malla

    Thank you for your two erudite responses. I really appreciate interacting with you. I guess as long as we steer clear of Cuba we can have a fruitful relationship!

    I see there are some questions I posed that you have not yet answered. That’s okay. If you think our interaction is edifying for other people on this thread then we can continue to do this. But I don’t really enjoy writing on Unz threads because there are so many toxic commenters and also loading these threads onto my cell phone devours data. So I will let you decide if we should continue to interact here or via email. We also could use WhatsApp if you would be interested in that. That is a great way of transferring a lot of information without devouring cell phone data.

    Here are a couple more questions regarding the Aryan origins:

    1. I’ve read that the country Iran chose its name from Aryan. Is that true? Do the Persians have a particular connection to the alleged Aryan race?

    2. If the Khazarian claim about Ashkenazi Jews is true, would that mean that these people are Jewish Aryans (since the Turkic peoples seem to be part of the Aryan family).

    3. In the table of Indo-European languages you provided, there are no Semitic tongues such as Syriac Hebrew Aramaic or Arabic. Where do they come from?

    4. Related to the last point, an English professor from Yeshiva University has written about the amazing etymological connections between modern English and ancient Hebrew.
    Most professional linguists scoff at him, but he persuasively demonstrates etymological connections between Hebrew and English for about 10,000 word roots:
    http://www.edenics.org/
    [email protected]

    http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-arts-and-culture/books/150768/examining-edenics
    http://isaacmozeson.blogspot.com/

    http://www.meru.org/Advisors/Mozeson/TheWORDIntro.html

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  430. Mevashir says:
    @Malla

    I watched the video on the spread of Indo-European peoples. So:

    1. Since they originated in the Caucasus is this why white skin people are called Caucasian?

    2. Technically would Iranians also be considered Caucasian?

    3. The 4000 BC starting date is most intriguing because that is the starting point for traditional literalist Bible chronologies.

    4. The Middle East Egypt African and the Fertile Crescent seem to be outside the sphere of this Caucasian spread. And yet the Bible chronology begins around the same time these Caucasian people’s began spreading outward. How would you explain this?

    5. Could we assume that the major racial groups would be Caucasian African Semitic and Oriental? Where do the Pacific Islanders Polynesians fit into this?

  431. Mevashir says:
    @gatobart

    As for military and geopolitics, India is obviously becoming a pawn in American chessboard. India will be used for proxy wars against China. A smarter way would have been to join the Belt and Road, use China’s leverage over Pakistan to solve the Kashmir issue, and create regional prosperity and stability”
    https://worldaffairs.blog/2018/04/03/india-americas-new-vassal-state/

    I agree that this might be a better approach. It is possible that India’s shift to America is connected to its extensive ties with the Israeli military. Last year Pompeo visited Israel and basically gave them an ultimatum to sever all of their commercial ties with China, which had been proliferating. Recently the retired Mossad director Yossi Cohen spoke at a geostrategic summit in Israel saying that China is not Israel’s enemy and lamenting the American pressure for Israel to pull back from its China ties.

    I deeply admire Chinese culture. Like India they are an ancient society with proud and decent values. They’re extremely intelligent. I admire the way they create commercial networking across the globe outside of political or ideological issues. They seem to be very pragmatic and successful people. Unfortunately the Trump era desperately needed to create a new bogeyman to demonize and China was picked. It seems that any society that presents a successful alternative to the American model of debt and war is targeted for destruction.

    It’s truly a grave threat to the entire world to consider the shocking ignorance and gullibility of the American public. Many years ago I read a fascinating book called four Arguments for the elimination of Television by a former TV ad executive who became a whistleblower. He claims that television is a brainwashing device that lures people into a mental sleep state in which it is easy to induce advertising memes. The mass addiction of American society to television over the last 50 years has in my view created a nation of brainwashed brain-dead morons incapable of critical thinking, easily manipulated by government religious and business propagandists. Americans are shockingly undiscerning:

    When I lived in Israel I learned that the ultra-Orthodox communities completely shun television. Often a part of the rental or lease agreement is a complete prohibition of satellite dishes or any form of cable television. Orthodox Jews do not watch television and this may explain their high intelligence.

    I also have read that sociological studies that correlate television watching with income show that the top echelons of American society never watch television, including television and movie studio executives. The lower you go on the income scale the more television watching there is to the point where the lowest Echelon of blue collar workers will watch 6 to 8 hours of television a day.

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  432. Malla says:
    @Mevashir

    Why was India called The Crown Jewel of the British Empire? What did it contribute to the British Empire? Was it mainly geographically strategic or did it actually produce economic value? And why did the British give India up relatively easily?

    Shalom
    I guess because India was this ancient civilization with a huge population and having India in the Empire was something of pride. India’s contribution was large man power, agricultural rich land, strategic locations giving the British Empire advantage in case of a an economic or military confrontation with other powers. On its own its economic value was limited because the market was not that big in-spite of a big population as most Indians were poor (from before the British Empire) and because only a tiny part of Britain’s trade was with its colonies. There was also the White man’s burden thing, a belief in the civilizing mission (basically bringing Indians from the medieval period to the modern age), the White Man’s burden, to stop some abhorrent practices such as Sati, Pindari dacoits etc… Why did the British give up India so easily was because Britain was weak after WW2 among many reasons. Giving up India was not easy actually because the British walked into a mess when it conquered India. There were many tensions among various Indians, Hindus Vs Muslims, lower castes vs upper castes. It was British impartiality which kept them together, as the British started devolving more and more power to native Indians, more of these rifts opened up. many Muslims and lower caste Hindus wanted the British to stay writing petitions to not weaken British power in India. India is messy that way.

    At the peak of the British Empire, how many British Nationals lived in India? Did they ever intermarry with Indians or was there a very strict racial separation?

    I think in the hundred thousands at most among a population of hundreds of millions including British soldiers. There was much more mixing and intermarriage before the 1857 mutiny mostly in between European men and Indian women. There were even case of Europeans “going native”. After the mutiny the distance in between the British and Indians increased and they become more aloof.
    Some good books to read about British India would be
    https://archive.org/download/indianunrest031129mbp/indianunrest031129mbp.pdf
    Indian Unrest by Sir Valentine Chirol
    https://archive.org/download/in.ernet.dli.2015.173343/2015.173343.The-Making-Of-British-India-1756-1858.pdf
    The Making Of British India 1756-1858 by Ramsay Muir
    https://archive.org/download/in.ernet.dli.2015.278886/2015.278886.India-Its.pdf
    India Its Administration And Progress by Sir John Strachey
    http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks03/0300811h.html
    Mother India by Katherine Mayo
    https://thewire.in/history/personal-rejoinder-british-raj-haters-masquerading-historians
    https://thewire.in/history/how-british-orientalists-were-responsible-for-rediscovery-of-indian-history
    https://openthemagazine.com/essay/did-britain-educate-india/

  433. Malla says:
    @gatobart

    Here comes a nutcase who keeps blabbering his fartpipe. India is not America’s vassal, India joined America because of its enmity with China. India wants good relations with both Russia nd USA. Answer me this bitch, why did India support Russia on Ukraine? Why?

    A smarter way would have been to join the Belt and Road,

    Are you a stupid monkey? You know right that is impossible. B0th India and Pakistan claim all of Jammu and Kashmir region and India claims Akshai Chin region which is inside China. A claim, India can never give up, it would be political suicide. The Indians masses would destroy such a traitorous government. But forgetting Akshai Chin. Part of Kashmir is controlled by Pakistan, part by India. India does not recognize the part controlled by Pakistan (Pakistan Occupied kashmir/POK, Azad Kashmir) and Pakistan does not recognize the Indian Kashmir (Earlier Jammu and Kashmir now Ladakh divided out). But all Indian maps show Pakistani Kashmir as well as Akshai Chin as part of India. Comprende?
    Now CPEC (China Pakistan Economic Corridor) an important part of BRI passes through defacto Paksitani Kashmir but from an Indian point of view dejure part of India. China did not even ask India’s permission when making CPEC through Gilgit Baltistan region of Pakistani Kashmir (which according to India is part of India). So if India accepts BRI, in effect it is agreeing to Gilgit Baltistan being not a part of India, Pakistan can use this against India anytime in the future. Thus from an Indian point of view, CPEC and thus the larger BRI is illegal as it passes through Indian territory without the permission of India. Comprende?
    For this stupid mistake by China, India can never join BRI even if it wanted. Comprende.

  434. Truth says:
    @Malla

    It is a big sin to eat beef.

    But we Indians in general have had been quite a physically weak people and with few exceptions

    I’ll tell you a story about one of the funniest things I have ever seen.

    I was in San Francisco once in the tourist district some years ago just walking around by myself, (the cable car origination area) and I popped into one of those little curio shops. There were a three late-20’s – to early 30’s Indian guys there, wearing the engineer uniform (or at least what it was before the slacker look took over) plad collared shirt, khaki pants, horn rimmed glasses, white sneakers. This black girl, who looked to be in the 8th grade walked in, (really skinny little girl, maybe 5’6 110 lbs.) with two of her friends, it was late afternoon so I guess they had just been released from school somewhere.

    Trying to be funny, she walks up to one of the Indian guys and says loudly; “excuse me Sir, do you know where I can find a 7’11?”

    The guy got angry.

    He said something to the effect of ” Sevon-elevon, SEVON-ELEVON, I do not know about anee fokking sevon-eleveon, I am a Software Engineer, for Blah-blah company…”

    He seemed pretty proud of this.

    She responded, ironically, “Oh, I wanted a coke, I figured one of y0ur Aunties must have a store around here…”

    (There were soft drink fridges a few feet away from us).

    So the guy’s anger racheted up; I got a little closer to the situation to prevent this guy from pounding this little girl into the wall.

    He said (in effect): “You stoopeed gurl, I do not know about any sevon-elevon, you are stoopid!”

    The girls looked at him with an extremely calm expression on her face and she said: “Oh, I’m stupid? Y’all got a million (sic) starvin’ people in y’all country and a million (sic) fat ass cows walking down the street, and y’all won’t eat em’ cuz you think they God, but we stupid?”

    The guy (who was pretty dark skinned) went bezerk, his whole face flushed. He said “I am note vegetarian you stoopeed block beech! I am from (whatever district where they eat meat) You stoopit block beach!!”. And he seriously tried to get to her and beat her ass. I jumped between them, trying to stifle a laugh at the girl’s crack and the guy’s behavior.

    Now I was trying not to laugh because I just knew I was going to have to use all of my strength to prevent a grown man, from getting his hands around a little girl’s neck, instead I was able to restrain him with one hand. I looked at the girl and she was calmly taking off her hoop earrings, and her two friends were trying to instigate her into a fight (“awww shit, he finna whoop yo’ Sheryl). I gave the guy a half-hearted snap of my wrist and he collapsed into a display, and I wasn’t trying to push him down, just restrain him.

    It suddenly dawned on him that I had thought I was saving a 13 year old girl from an angry 30 year old man. I was in fact doing just the opposite.

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  435. Malla says:
    @gatobart

    Again let me explain USA or no USA, India will oppose China. Even if the USA becomes a friend of China, India will remain an enemy of China, the Indian people want it, 1.4 billion people of India consider China an enemy. India is not USA’s vassal. And for your information, the QUAD is already dead. Indians consider Pakistan a vassal of China, I have already shown earlier. Telling India to join BRI is tantamount to being a traitor to India according to Indians. If you would say that infront of an Indians near some slum, thousands of men would beat the shit out of you and rape your cute ass.
    BTW the Quad is already dead, Biden killed it but India will not kowtow to China. Sorry about that.
    India’s relationship with USA is getting destroyed and Indians are turning anti-USA since Biden came in. India is going to be very soon both anti-USA and anti-China. If you want to understand Indo US relations and how it is coming apart. This video is gold.
    In between Abhijit Iyer-Mitra (yellow T-shirt) and Abhinav Prakash (guy with glasses or spectacles) Indian nationalists are disillusioned with Biden’s USA and now look to traditional allies Russia, France and Israel.

    Vaccine Embargo by Biden Administration – Abhijit Iyer-Mitra on Urban Chatterati
    Abhijit Iyer-Mitra and Abhinav Prakash from 0:40 minutes to 2:30 minutes discuss about how the Biden administration are deliberately sabotaging vaccine manufacturing in India. For the Novavax vaccine not the CoviShield being currently being produced. Thus India gets Sputnik from Russia. They are unintentionally by trying to screw India, are doing India a favour.
    Abhinav Prakash: Biden administration seems worse than Trump…..
    Abhijit Iyer-Mitra (2:49 minutes:) Trump did not behave very badly. If we (India) needed help, the help was usually sent.With Biden, with all his talk about globalism you know, we are all going to hold hands and sing Kumbaya. It is a good lesson for Indians who voted Democrat in America, secretly I am hoping that something happens to their family members as well in this particular wave. It says a lot about the complete cluelessness of most of the foreign policy commenteriat and the so called self proclaimed “responsible informed” commenteriat saying that Biden would better for globalism and all that. Which is proven to be absolute RUBBISH. Across the board. Because remember this isn’t the first. The US Navy was conducting freedom of navigation operations for the last 10 years, India never really gave a damn. Why? Because our extended zones are intended specifically for China. They are not intended for harassment or bullying of everyone and anyone. And it is been done specifically because China is doing certain things so it is a kind of reciprocal threat that if you can do that, we can do that with the Malacca Straits and things like that. So, why did the US navy feel the need to announce it publicly after 10 years? It makes no sense. You are conducting freedom of navigation operations, you are not being challenged, why did you go and have to announce it often all of a sudden. And notice whichever countries that they named, South Korea, Maldives and India. You remember, I was telling you that this man’s (Biden) son is so compromised to China, his (Biden’s) actions will not directly help China, they will indirectly help China. So he has effectively put all American allies in the same plank as China!! “”You are really no different from China anymore.” It is the same thing with vaccines now. Essentially what he is doing is he is saying “you may be an ally but America first”. In which case, what is the point of being an ally? So.. that is perfectly fine. In this last 3 to 4 months, Biden has done damage, actual damage to the American alliance system what Trump was claimed to have done in the last four years. It is a valid statement, it is a statistically supported statement.

    [MORE]

    Abhinav Prakash (7:33 minutes): They are not helping anyone, it is not just India, they are not helping countries in their neighbourhood. What does it tell about America and its current administration? Vice President seems to be running the show!!
    Abhijit Iyer-Mitra (7:51 minutes): Look, the Vice President maybe be running the show but even she is really a puppet. Biden is basically a walking cadaver, he has one foot in the coffin. we do not know if he is alive or dead and when he is going to die. Now that being the case, you have to understand it is a whole a very very powerful bunch of Democrat party interests running the Government and those Democrat party interests are further controlled by corporate interests…… It is a lot of corporate interests that seem to align at the same time. For example in case of CAATSA sanctions, Boeing and Lockheed Martin would be thinking, look this is one good way of ensuring we get more sales in India and kick the Russians out of the Indian market. It would be Pfizer telling their kept senators and their purchased Congressmen, if you do this they (India) would be forced to buy our vaccines at a certain price…..Never attribute to malice what you can to stupidity. When your president is basically a walking cadaver, Vice President (Kamala Harris) is so compromised to Corporate Interests and his son (Biden) is so compromised to foreign interests, we don’t really know if the US Govt is being controlled. Look at the mess they have at their southern border. POLITICO actually had ban its staff to refer about the Southern border crisis, none of them are sending their reporters or even screaming at the fact that they are are not being allowed to send their reporters. Could you imagine this have happened under Trump?
    Abhinav Prakash: (Laughing) No of course Not.
    Abhijit Iyer-Mitra: So there you go

    Abhinav Prakash (12:00 minutes) This brings to this hypocrisy of the people who pretend to be outraged at the misery of the people, this entire woke culture. What happened to the wokes in America? Why are they not on the streets and saying “Asian lives do matter”. “You help the other countries. what happened to these people in NYT and Washington Post? Why is there no cover story that America is the greatest hoarder of live saving drugs in the world?
    Abhijit Iyer-Mitra (12:28 minutes): (Smiling) Because it was never about principles. Look, all these so called revolutionary movements are always about some smart manipulator who is able to manipulate a whole bunch of zombies. Tell me one revolution which did not happen on the back of zombies. I do not mean movie style Zombies but using it figuratively. But that is what BLM, anti-fa and all these movements ARE. They are essentially low IQ stupid people, foot soldiers who are cynically manipulated….Leadership is screwing people and make them enjoy the process of getting screwed over.

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  436. gatobart says:
    @Malla

    Babble all you want about what free and independent nation India is, but people can see through the lies, the propaganda and the denial and they say it as clearly as they see it:

    “As for military and geopolitics, India is obviously becoming a pawn in American chessboard. India will be used for proxy wars against China”.

    If that isn’t a puppet state I do n’t know what it is.

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  437. gatobart says:
    @Truth

    What most likely made the the loser even angrier is the fact that he couldn’t set the 13-year old girl on fire or throw acid at her face and then getting away with it because of some Calcutta Criminal Court declared that the lowly and despicable female had been disrespectful to that honorable and proud man so she she got it coming. And then proceeded to send her to a prion term and gave him a medal.

  438. Mevashir says:
    @Malla

    It seems that there was some kind of human Awakening about 6,000 years ago when the Caucasus migrations began and the biblical chronology also begins. What was happening in Africa China and North and South America at that time?

    Do you think Caucasian is even a useful ethnic or anthropological term anymore? If Caucasian culture spans everything from Europe to India it seems pretty useless as a racial category.

    I’ve seen Bollywood music videos where the performers are so light-skinned they look European. Is that realistic or is that using powders and other forms of makeup? I’ve heard that some of the biggest Bollywood stars are actually Indian Muslims. Is that true? Are they ethnically or racially different from Indian Hindus? [Check out third song in this clip: https://youtu.be/TBAj4nbdLEU%5D

    I am saddened to read about the enmity between India and China. If they could work together they would be an unstoppable global force. Why do you think the Chinese threw in their lot with Pakistan and ignored or denigrated India?

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  439. Mevashir says:
    @Mevashir

    Do you think India and China will eventually have a nuclear war? It would seem based on your comments that it is almost inevitable. It’s a real shame. However the older I get and having experienced fundamentalist Jewish and Christian religious groups, the more I feel that man is essentially an irredeemably hopelessly evil creature.

  440. Mevashir says:
    @Malla

    After living in South Africa for nearly 5 years, I started to feel abnormal as a white person. I do have a theory that darker skin people are more emotionally healthy. I believe there’s a biochemical effect of having melanin in your skin. Darker skin people are warmer and seem more emotionally balanced. Light skin people tend to be cold. I think most psychopathic Killers are white skinned rather than dark-skinned. Maybe idi Amin is an exception.

    In terms of massacres and butchery, nobody comes close to the savagery of European wars especially in the 20th century. America as a white country is regularly reported to be the most militaristic and violent nation in human history. I believe that in over 200 years of American History there been only 20 years of peace.

    https://youtu.be/TBAj4nbdLEU%5D

  441. Malla says:
    @Malla

    From the same video
    Abhinav Prakash (16:18 minutes): Coming back to Biden and his America, public sentiment in India has turned against America. It is not just about this vaccine thing but other things Biden has been doing. What do you think is going to be future of diplomacy in between the two countries and what will happen to QUAD?

    [MORE]

    Abhijit Iyer-Mitra (16:40 minutes):The diplomacy was already strained when Biden took over. It was not strained it was a bit uncomfortable and now it is only going to get only more uncomfortable. They are going to try to smoothen it out, they are try to normalize it but it isn’t going to work. ….My entire argument for an alliance with America was based on the common threat from China, the need for technology (B) and a need of market (C). It was never been based on this cocaine induced dream of shared values. We do not share values, let us be very clear about this.
    Abhinav Prakash (17:52 minutes): Yes we do not.
    Abhijit Iyer-Mitra (17:52 minutes): Indian definition of democracy (Westminster system) is very different from American democracy. India’s definition of freedom of speech is very different from the American definition of freedom of speech. In fact I would say America now is coming to the Indian definition of freedom of speech, not the other way around. The only shared value is I think, is that neither country achieved a monopoly of violence. In America because of the gun laws and in India because we do not have the police (undermanned police)…..Let us be clear, India and America have no shared values.…..(19:05 minutes) Now, even if you assume that the Nehru, Gandhi, Rajiv Gandhi period was this glorious era of free speech and things like that, if it was based on shared values, why were India America relations at absolute rock bottom at that time? Was India was a great paragon of democracy in 1971 when the USA sent its fleet against us? No it was purely because of the USSR and India’s friendship with the USSR. And lets be clear. The only common agenda that India and America have is China.
    Abhinav Prakash (19:47 minutes): Agreed
    Abhijit Iyer-Mitra (19:50 minutes): That is it. We don’t agree on the Middle East, we don’t agree on Iran, we don’t agree on Russia ,we don’t agree on the EU , we don’t agree on freedom of the seas.
    Abhinav Prakash (20:00 minutes): We don’t agree even on Bangladesh and Myanmar.
    Abhijit Iyer-Mitra: Absolutely, so what the hell do we agree on. What is the shared values? What is the shared vision? I really do not get what this shared vision is.
    Abhinav Prakash (20:15 minutes): As I said, India and America do not have any shared values. Some of our values might be similar, like our commitment to a constitutional democracy. but that is it. We are a completely different people. We are a completely different society. We belong to completely different civilizations. We have nothing in common.
    Abhijit Iyer-Mitra (20:32 minutes): We belong to different stages of development. Even our assumptions of the fundamental principles of what is democracy, what is secularism, what is individual liberty, are completely different.
    Abhinav Prakash (20:50 minutes): Are completely different, I agree to that. What will happen to this hyped Indo-American alliance and QUAD and all. It seems that the trust that was built over the last decade or so has now evaporated and we Indians are reminded how America has been a hostile country to India.
    Abhijit Iyer-Mitra (21:07 minutes): Absolutely. I don’t think these people realize how much cumulative damage they have done. Individually yes. Individually these statements about freedom of navigation, individually their statements about Novavax raw materials and the CAATSA sanctions would be the cherry on the cake ……Cumulatively the damage they have done is extremely severe.
    Abhinav Prakash (2:41 minutes) : What will happen to this anti-China alliance now? America, Europe, Japan etc… are doing business with China, setting up factorries, investing money. They wanted India to be their frontline soldier against China, why should India be or care for the QUAD anymore.
    Abhijit Iyer-Mitra (22: 14 minutes): Why I will continue to support an Indo-America alliance…It is not that America is very good….because CHINA IS A LOT WORSE…Absolutely reprehensible creature..so every other creature by comparison …including a preying mantis would look better then they ever could….
    Abhinav Prakash: America certainly is not trustworthy completely unreliably and completely corrupt as well.
    …….

    Abhijit Iyer-Mitra (24:42 minutes): America is a fantastic ally if you can can manage to corrupt them. …had we gone in and purchased a lot of things. Had we developed industrially the way China has and bought over most of these senators and congressmen because we all know they are for sale, they go to the highest bidder.…had we done that we could have been assured of their reliability. (25:18 minutes) For example China is very happy with Biden being an extremely reliable friend. Pretends to be an enemy but is actually a friend kind of thing. So lets not see America is not reliable. The question is if you don’t have leverage do not expect reliability. Reliability comes on interdependence and leverage……(25:53 minutes) With France and Russia, they have always been and Israel, they have always been extremely trustworthy as a rule. And it seems to be ideological than it is actually practical. Because with Russia, it is a single product trade which we have with them that is defense. With France its always been much more of a sort of mental connect with France where France sees us as this..kindred brother who is just as irritating, a pain in the ass for America just as France is within NATO, because France always had this independent streak about NATO ….Self Reliance almost…. What you are seeing is that the three countries with whom we have had a great ideological affinity, historically, that have proven to be much more helpful and reliable than America. America needs to be purchased. It is a market, it is not a country, it is a market. It is a meat market.
    ….
    Abhinav Prakash (29:13 minutes: But the American behaviour will be remembered in India for long…it is a good thing that our generation has learnt that America cannot be reliable.
    Abhijit Iyer-Mitra: Yeah

  442. Malla says:
    @gatobart

    people can see through the lies, the propaganda and the denial and they say it as clearly as they see it:

    Nope some people are seeing what they find is convenient.

    As for military and geopolitics, India is obviously becoming a pawn in American chessboard. India will be used for proxy wars against China”.

    Are you sure, India is not using the USA against its enemy, China?

  443. Malla says:
    @Mevashir

    In the table of Indo-European languages you provided, there are no Semitic tongues such as Syriac Hebrew Aramaic or Arabic. Where do they come from?

    I don’t know, there are many language families other than Indo-European, sure might have come from somewhere.

    I learned of the theory that the term Brahmin derives from the biblical character Abraham. There is a story in Genesis that after his wife Sarah died, A

    I have heard of this theory too. It is known by many people here.

    If the Khazarian claim about Ashkenazi Jews is true, would that mean that these people are Jewish Aryans (since the Turkic peoples seem to be part of the Aryan family).

    Maybe. Linguistically Turkish is from a different language family, maybe including Hungarian and Mongolian, I think, I could be wrong. But maybe what you say is right, Khazaria being in Central Asia.

    I’ve read that the country Iran chose its name from Aryan. Is that true? Do the Persians have a particular connection to the alleged Aryan race?

    Yes, I think that is how Iran is named. The Persians were the weirdos of the Aryan peoples. They considered Devas (Good in Hindi-Devta, Latin-Deus, Lithuanian-Deivos) as the bad gods while other Aryan cultures considered them the good Gods.

    Hinduism is not actually polytheistic but believes in a single Supreme Deity. Is that correct?

    Up to an extent. Hinduism is monoism, in that there is one God which takes many forms. God is this thing with no attributes, something formless. But it takes various forms and those forms are worshiped as Gods in our temples. Because it is monoism, it believes, this Universe is the body of God and God is the soul of the Universe. Just like physically we are part of the Universe , our souls are part of God.

    I have heard that Hindus view Buddhism as a heresy. Are there any Buddhists in India? Is Buddhism tolerated? Is part of the rivalry between India and China the fact that China traditionally was a strongly Buddhist country? I

    There are few Buddhists in India. India was once a Budhdist majority country, a fact hated by the Brahmins. They played a big role in destroying Buddhism. Buddhism is to Hinduism what Christianity is to Judaism. Something of that sort. Buddhism is more tolerated today than Islam and Christianity as they are seen as more dangerous threats by Brahmanical forces. Is Indo-China hatred because of Hinduism and Buddhism, not really but there might be something to it. Maybe Brahmins hate Buddhism being so successful in a major civilization like China. Not a big factor though.

    The lower you go on the income scale the more television watching there is to the point where the lowest Echelon of blue collar workers will watch 6 to 8 hours of television a day.

    Something I agree with.

    However the older I get and having experienced fundamentalist Jewish and Christian religious groups, the more I feel that man is essentially an irredeemably hopelessly evil creature.

    This is the conclusion I am coming up with too.

    In terms of massacres and butchery, nobody comes close to the savagery of European wars especially in the 20th century.

    More advanced technology compared to the darker races. I do not think darker races are less militaristic or more kinder. I just think Europeans or East Asians just increase the scale of things, Either good things or bad things, everything tends to get magnified.

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  444. Mevashir says:
    @Malla

    This woman is a popular Messianic singer in Israel. This song has a very Hindu vibe to it would you agree? (I do think that the Indian music video clips I’ve seen have an incredibly powerful erotic vibe to them. If they are representative of your culture, then I can see why there are over 1 billion people living there!)

    More advanced technology compared to the darker races. I do not think darker races are less militaristic or more kinder. I just think Europeans or East Asians just increase the scale of things, Either good things or bad things, everything tends to get magnified.

    Maybe you are correct. But remember that the whites pride themselves on their science and technology. And that same science and technology allows them to commit mass murder on unprecedented scales. I think there’s something particularly psychopathic and destructive about white civilizations.

    Another question for you: I was reading a book about the history of Islam and it claimed that the so-called pagan religion of Arabia that Muhammad overthrew was actually a form of Hinduism. Do you think that could be true?

    When you say Hinduism is monism is that the same thing as what Christians call Pantheism?

    I think you are an excellent teacher and writer and I wish you wouldn’t spend so much time dialoguing with some of the low-class hate mongers on this thread. You could put your talents to much better use. Amen

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  445. gatobart says:
    @Mevashir

    Many years ago I read a fascinating book called four Arguments for the elimination of Television by a former TV ad executive who became a whistleblower. He claims that television is a brainwashing device that lures people into a mental sleep state in which it is easy to induce advertising memes.

    I read something similar in another book many years ago, i think that was the End of Work by Jeremy Rifkin. The author says there that when television was invented there was this thing, that people who supposedly knew better thought that such a device wouldn’t serve any purpose in society and that they could as well forget about it. Something that has been said many times about other inventions,BTW, like PCs for example and even railroads. But then someone came with the idea that sending images, even films, at a distance could be used for marketing purposes. And that was the salvation of the new invention, TV had found its calling. But as it was too much to ask from people that they sit for hours in front of an electronic screen watching the peddling of one consumer product after another, they came up with the idea that they should put something in between, i.e. between commercial spots, meaning something to entertain people as to keep them in front of the TV for hours. And the rest is History. The author you mention is right, the prime and essential purpose of TV is and it has always been to sell consumer products.

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  446. @Malla

    MALLA/MESHAVIR

    The only Jews in India of any note are actually the St. Thomas Christians who were Iraqi Jews who arrived in Kerala in the 5th century.

    They don’t look anything like North Indian Brahmin.

    The arrival of Aryans in India predated any Abrahamic religion by 2000 years.

    Askenazi Jews are descended from Jewish males who migrated to Rome during the last days of the Empire & intermarried with local Roman women. This is why Jews & Italians look similar & have cultural similarities.

    This migration from Judea to Rome occurred in Hadrian’s time a millennium after the Aryans arrived in North India.

    Brahmin & Jews both show a “bright-normal” IQ on average & a verbal dexterity. But this is not shared DNA.

    To the extent that Jews & Brahmins have any shared DNA it is because Ashkenazi Jews migrated into Eastern Europe where they intermarried to a great degree with Slavs & Brahmin originated in Slavic countries.

    I have to add that Baniya castes-and Malla will agree-don’t really worship Goras. At all. They belong to the global 1% & are part of the same transnational oligarchy as some WASPS, Jews etc. If you’re invited to that club, fine. Otherwise, you’re dung on the sidewalk.

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  447. Malla says:
    @gatobart

    This is for Jokem. Jokem, check this out.
    Mevashir, this is not for you, please ignore this post.

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  448. Malla says:
    @Mevashir

    It seems that there was some kind of human Awakening about 6,000 years ago when the Caucasus migrations began and the biblical chronology also begins.

    I do not know Caucasian mountains is the correct term or origins of the Indo-Europeans. It seems more like Eastern Europe. The Anatolian hypothesis has been debunked.
    But anyways, some believe these people were Jaspeth descendants who went north of Mt Ararat to Ukraine before spreading out. BTW, I thought the term Caucasian is used because of Noah’s ship landing on Mt. Ararat. However biblical tales cannot always be taken as historically accurate but they could have historical value. As far as other regions of the world, I have no clue.

    I’ve seen Bollywood music videos where the performers are so light-skinned they look European. Is that realistic or is that using powders and other forms of makeup?

    Sure some use makeup, but I have Indian friends like that. Yes Muslims are quite well represented in Bollywood. 90% of Muslims in South Asia are genetically South Asians here but you could say 10% have Persian, Turkish, Uyghur-Uzbek etc…DNA in the last 1000 years since the Islamic invasions.
    Indians come in various looks from dark Australoids to Caucasoids to Mongoloids. It is a melting pot out here.
    BTW for example,

    The above Bollywood actor and actress couple above fell in love and got married in real life and their kids became big celebs in Bollywood too. They are both pure Hindus, not Muslim with any recent Central Asian ancestry or any European ancestry.
    Below is the video of a regular Hindu girl with her parents, not a Bollywood star from Delhi.

    With her Indian friends

    There are many people who look like these especially among upper and upper middle classes.

  449. Malla says:
    @Mevashir

    In India as in many brown Caucasian countries, more Caucasian the person is more attractive they are normally considered. That is why via normal sexual selection and simple market forces, more Caucasian looking people are chosen by movies, people prefer it that way. Indians prefer the more Caucasian looking INDIANS as their celebrities. Southern Europeans, Middle Easteners and even some Caucasian Hispanics have worked in Bollywood but only as extras, people want Indians only as main celebs. Northern Europeans (British, Germans, Poles, Swedes, Russians etc.. ) would be too pure Caucasoid, like a pure dose for Bollywood. Indeed I would say this selection for Caucasoid features is even stronger for men sometimes.

    Check out the comments on youtube mostly from the ladies on the actor above
    yamuna shree writes
    Ohh man he looks so cute… Cuter than these generation heroes… Chocolate boy the name suits him
    Sudeya Edwards writes
    He was so cute in his younger days..may his soul rest in peace…
    Tenaz Shah writes
    The most successful son of Raj Kapoor…….Rishiji was so damn good looking.…rip dreamboat
    subhaan subhaan writes
    Tom cruise of our times and generation. Rest in peace.
    Minakshi Mishra writes
    Loved him,loved the pair.

    The concept of a handsome man in South Asia is generally a more Caucasoid looking Indian man.

    One more couple

    Both pure Hindus and thus both South Asians unmixed with outsiders for 2000 years atleast. Sexual selection and market forces just chose more Caucasoid looking Indian men and women, as that is what the population generally wants. Simple as that.

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  450. Malla says:
    @Mevashir

    Is that realistic or is that using powders and other forms of makeup?

    Well, Check this out

    The guy is very dark skinned for Bollywood standards so why did he not use make up to fair himself up? So no, make up can only help so much. Also even though he is dark, his facial structure is still Caucasoid with a sharp nose face profile.Check at 0.33 seconds or his profile at 0.49 seconds or at 2.22 minutes. Though he has some Australoid looks too. Caucasoid facial features are more important than even skin colour but a combination of light skin and Caucasoid facial features is a very strong point for attraction in South Asia and thus Bollywood movie industry.

    Now check this Bollywood video

    The actor/hero is more Caucasoid looking and fair than the actress/heroine (appears after 1:15 minutes). This Caucasoid selection at times was even stronger for men than women. The actress is a bit dark skinned (but with sharp features nevertheless) than the actor. Check them both together at 4:37 minutes. So why did she not use make up to lighten up herself as the guy? Or use contact lens to match the hero’s natural lighter brownish eyes? So make up can only help so much. And the hero in the video is Hindu BTW.

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  451. @Malla

    MALLA

    Tom Alter made a living in Bollywood at it (Of course he spoke Hindu fluently).

    Danny has done some films with & without his wife.

    There are-or have been a few.

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  452. Malla says:
    @Truth

    Yo Truthie, sorry if could not respond much. 3 comments per hour limit and many questions here to respond to.
    From the story it seems you guys were dealing with South Indian IT nerds from places like Hyderabad and Bangalore. Lucky you guys were not dealing with tough North Indian Sikhs or Jats or Kashmiris. You guys may have dodged a bullet.
    BTW Very nice of the black girl to use racial stereotypes of Indians. Good experience for the coming politically and financially dominant community of the USA, Asian Indian American community. They are learning lessons.

  453. Malla says:
    @Mevashir

    are so light-skinned they look European.

    Well some look like Europeans but we consider them looking like Indians, Indians have a great diversity of looks with the mixture of multiple stains, including Caucasoid, Australoids and Mongoloids. Even a little Negrito. The Caucasoid element in South Asia/ Indian subcontinent is further divided into the Mediterranean, Western Brachycephala and Nordic. the Mongoloid element is divided into the Tibetan/proto-Chinese element and rice farmers from Cambodia. So there is great diversity of looks after all these mixing up.
    In this regard the most authoritative view is that of Dr. B.S. Gupta, Director of the Anthropological Survey of India. According to him the population of the Indian subcontinent comprises six main racial elements namely, the Negrito, the Proto-Australoid, the Mongoloid, the Mediterranean, the Western Brachycephala and the Nordic…….The Nordic helped to bring about a great cultural synthesis leading to the foundation of the Hindu civilization of India. (R.C. Majumdar. ed., The Vedic Age, pp 144-146, Bombay 1965)

    Many of our heroes and heroines look like dark Caucasoids, like a large chunk of South Asians look like, they could not pass as Europeans (some would). For example
    Check out this Bollywood couple

    Dark Caucasoids. They could never pass as Europeans, atleast not the pure Caucasoid Northern Europeans and they look quintessentially Indians. Indians are genetically far more closely related to Europeans than to Africans anyways.
    Same couple again.

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  454. Mevashir says:
    @gatobart

    that they should put something in between, i.e. between commercial spots, meaning something to entertain people as to keep them in front of the TV for hours. And the rest is History. The author you mention is right, the prime and essential purpose of TV is and it has always been to sell consumer products.

    This is a summary of the book:
    https://www.ratical.org/ratville/AoS/4Args4ElimTV.html
    And this is a complete online version:
    http://onthewing.org/user/Ev_Four%2520Arguments%2520for%2520Eliminating%2520Television.pdf

    Manders’ main concern is the psychological damage television causes. He writes that psychologists did brainwave studies of people watching TV and discovered that their brains are in an alpha state of deep sleep. It’s virtually impossible to think critically while you are watching television. That’s why he claims that it’s a brainwashing device. Have you ever noticed when you’re watching TV it’s very difficult to pull your eyes away from it, say if somebody walks into the room or tries to get your attention? This is a symptom of the deep sleep Alpha State your brain is in.

    I suspect America is the most television intoxicated society in the world and I also suspect that is why Americans are so fundamentally ignorant. Television has done enormous damage to our society.

    I would characterize Americans as angry ignorant and opinionated people. If you think about it Americans talk about issues like advertisers on TV, shouting forth ideas without evidence to back them up. The popular news analysts like O’Reilly and Hannity are just like television advertisers shouting intimidating and bullying the audience into accepting ideas without critical thinking and without analytical structure.

    The really disappointing thing is that the liberal media like the New York Times and the Washington Post will never criticize The cult of Television watching in this country, when it is so obviously a culprit in the stupefaction of American society and the degradation of our culture. I guess they are completely beholden to the Wall Street corporate advertising interests on television.

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  455. Mevashir says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Askenazi Jews are descended from Jewish males who migrated to Rome during the last days of the Empire & intermarried with local Roman women. This is why Jews & Italians look similar & have cultural similarities.

    This migration from Judea to Rome occurred in Hadrian’s time a millennium after the Aryans arrived in North India.

    Does that mean you reject the Khazarian theory of Ashkenazi origins?

    The arrival of Aryans in India predated any Abrahamic religion by 2000 years.

    According to the video Malla sent, the Aryan migrations spanned 4,000 BC to 500 BC. According to the strict biblical timeline Abraham lived about 2400 BC. His children that he sent away to the east would have arrived in India (if that was their destination) long before 2000 BC. DOESN’T THAT FIT THE ARYAN EXPANSION TIMELINE?

    Also perhaps the Brahmins are not Aryans at all but are Abrahamic elites dominating an Aryan population?

    However these websites suggest the complete opposite, that Abraham originated as a Brahmin-Hindu migrant to the Middle East!
    https://revolutionarykalki.weebly.com/abraham-of-india.html
    http://www.pocketoz.com.au/colours/covenant_abraham_origin.html
    https://hindufocus.wordpress.com/2009/09/20/abraham-brahma-sarah-saraswati/amp/

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  456. Mevashir says:
    @Malla

    Below is the video of a regular Hindu girl with her parents, not a Bollywood star from Delhi

    Thank you Malla for your deep analysis of Bollywood racial types. My questions only go to show how ignorant most of us in the West are about India. I really like the aura of Bollywood movies. The singing and dancing are very charming.

    Does Bollywood produce any violent movies that are so popular in Hollywood? I hope not! These kinds of violent movies I think are a symptom of how depraved American society has become. I have been blaming this on some kind of pathology in white culture but maybe it’s more reflection of the Jewish executives at Hollywood movie studios. Jewish culture is extremely violent because Jews have acute paranoia and aggression towards the rest of the world. So maybe the prevalence of violence in American movies and television is more a reflection of Jewish values than white culture in general.

    My missionary friend who would spend half a year every year in South India really loved it there. He was a little too proud to admit that maybe there was something intrinsic to India that attracted him. He had the usual condescending Christian attitude that he had all the answers, but he couldn’t deny his attraction to Indian cuisine culture and even dress.

    Some new age religious groups teach that Jesus spent many years in India studying with a Himalayan guru. Is this idea popular in India itself? One thing I have learned in my 40-year Odyssey among fundamentalist Jewish and Christian groups is that Judaism appears to be the only Global religion that views Jesus in a negative way. Every other major religion appears to admire Jesus to one degree or another. This would include Islam Buddhism Hinduism and possibly even Confucianism. I’m not sure about Japanese Shintoism. Jesus has always been popular in Native American cultures even though white Christianity his treated the natives with contempt and abused them. But only Orthodox Judaism in its official writings and doctrines portrays Jesus as an evil man an enemy of the Jewish people who deserved to die. Maimonides’ Letter to Yemen is shocking in its disparagement of Jesus. See pages iii, iv, xvii:
    https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/Epistle_to_Yemen/Complete

    There’s an unusual man from Australia named Jonathan Gray. He calls himself a biblical archaeologist. He’s part of the Seventh-Day Adventist cult and has some extreme Christian views but he seems to have credibility as an archaeologist as well. He’s written many books about the wondrous knowledge and technology a very ancient societies. In one of his books he claims there’s evidence that there was some kind of nuclear war between ancient India and ancient China. I’m talking about maybe 10,000 years ago. Do you think such a thing is plausible?
    https://www.eti-ministries.org/articles/article-view-page/articleid/208/0192-catalogue-of-material-from-jonathan-gray-distributed-by-end-time-issue-ministries

    I think it’s very unfortunate that China is emerging as the new global leader rather than India. The Chinese are very intelligent and their system of government gives them a very powerful focus in taking on the world. But India has a lot of advantages that I think would position it as a more natural global leader. Maybe primary is the prevalence of English in Indian society. This should give it an automatic boost over China. Also the ethnic and cultural diversity of India that you have been demonstrating to us would make it possibly a more tolerant Global leader than China. I’ve read that China is about 90% ethnic Han and the most homogeneous ethnic society in the world. This might make it an intolerant Global hegemon. I have a friend from Australia who has lived in the US for 50 years. He’s absolutely petrified of the Chinese and thinks that they will become brutal global tyrants if and when they surpass the United States. I suspect that India would be a more benign and benevolent Global leader than the Chinese.

    I really appreciate how much you are sharing with us. God bless you!

  457. Malla says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    You know Tom Alter and Danny!! You really know India well.Thomas Beach Alter was an Indian actor of White American descent born in India to Presbyterian Missionaries of English, Scottish and Swiss German ancestry.
    Tom Alter never played any main role but mostly supporting roles or very important artistic roles. He was very popular in India and was awarded a Padma Shree, one of the highest civilian award in the Republic of India.He could speak Hindi/ Urdu exceedingly well, far better than many of us can.

    In Samvidhaan (Constitution), an Indian historical movie, Tom Alter played the role of Abdul Kalam Azad, one of our freedom fighter!!! Here is is giving a speech in Hindi as Abdul Kamal Azad in that movie in our parliament 0:36 to 0:59 minutes.

    He played the role of a Hindu holyman Mahaguru in an Indian serial Shaktiman as well as Vishwapramukh (World Leader) in Indian sci fi serial Captain Vyom. among many. I think in all he acted in 300 Bollywood movies.

    His son Jamie Alter lives in India, Indian citizen, married to an Indian woman and speaks Hindi well.

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  458. Mevashir says:
    @Malla

    Many of our heroes and heroines look like dark Caucasoids, like a large chunk of South Asians look like, they could not pass as Europeans (some would). For example check out this Bollywood couple

    Very attractive couple especially the woman. She reminds me a bit of Sophia Loren. I think she could pass as an Italian or maybe Greek.

    The man dancing here looks completely European to me. He resembles the son of a couple I know: the woman is Ethiopian and the husband is white American. They have two children a boy and a girl who are stunning and good easily be Hollywood icons!
    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT5-bp8T5hDAzra9MDx7K73GITYXpJZQ21UkA&usqp=CAU

    When I lived in South Africa I had the impression that Indians are considered the most attractive and perfect blend between the whites and the black Africans.

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  459. Malla says:
    @Mevashir

    Also perhaps the Brahmins are not Aryans at all but are Abrahamic elites dominating an Aryan population?

    What I suspect Micheal is that Brahmins are a mix of everything like anyone as all South Asians are mixed up now but Brahmins have both more Aryan and Abrahamic ancestry as well. Brahmins and upper caste Hindus actually have more Aryan (Central Asian) ancestry than other Indians as proven by genetic studies but I suspect many Brahmins have Abrahamic ancestry too. Maybe Abrahamics came later and intermarried with Indians including Brahmins after Aryans had already come and settled in the Indian subcontinent.

    Aryan Migration: Who are our ancestors, really? based on the research papers.
    At 2:30minutes he says that Brahmins (and upper caste Hindus) have more Aryan/ Steppe ancestry than average. But of course Brahmins like everybody else here are mixed too.

    Sensitivity Over Aryan Migration Due To 2 Misconceptions, Says ‘Early Indians’ Author

    As far as Jews having gone from India or Abrahamics having come to India, it is very difficult to say. Both Hindus and Jews have a tendency to claim being original in everything. But India does have some Jewish connection. I remember seeing a video of the Lubavitcher Rebbe (Menachem Mendel Schneerson) where he claimed that jews in ancient times know about the geography of the world including the Americas, Australia etc.. (did they have anything to do with the sea faring Phoenicians?) and he used term “Jews living in the Middle East and India” knew about all that!!! Not Europe, but India. Middle East is understandable. Interesting.

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  460. Mevashir says:
    @Malla

    To Malla and Jeff,

    Many of our heroes and heroines look like dark Caucasoids, like a large chunk of South Asians look like, they could not pass as Europeans (some would). For example check out this Bollywood couple

    Malla, when you write heroes and heroines do you actually mean celebrities? Are Bollywood stars truly viewed as heroes in Indian culture say on the level of Mahatma Gandhi or great scientists artists and business or military leaders?

    You mentioned that Caucasian derives from Mount Ararat. I had not considered that. Is Mount Ararat part of the Caucasus mountain range?

    This raises another interesting question. I used to be a Young Earth Creationist. They teach that there was a literal Global flood and that all humanity perished apart from Noah and his family. Thus they argue that all racial and ethnic groups today derive from a single ancestral couple Noah and his wife. I don’t really believe such a thing is possible in terms of genetics. What do you think of this claim?

    The Christians put forth this idea as a way to promote global Peace and Harmony by trying to argue that all the different racial groups on Earth ultimately come from one parental family and therefore we need to get along. It’s an attractive idea but I don’t think it is scientifically tenable.

    It’s very interesting to consider that two men from widely diverse ethnic groups, say Eskimos and Hindus, are more closely genetically related than a man and a woman from the same ethnic group.

    My view is that all of humanity is trapped in a tragic fatal predicament. Christianity blames mankind for the existence of death but I think that’s ridiculous and a great example of blaming the victim. Every person born on Earth is immediately subject to a death sentence. I think females particularly drive a lot of the worst human behavior.

    In Jewish mysticism, men are considered generous and benevolent while women are considered to be mean-spirited and harsh. We can see in the animal kingdom when females go into heat the male animals will fight to the death for mating privileges. And I think something similar occurs in human society.

    I suspect that most of the worst forms of human corruption are done for the purpose of lavishing gifts on women who serve as mistresses and concubines to the alpha male criminals. How many wives of Mafia Hit Men are ever perturbed by their husbands’ actions? When Mafia leaders are prosecuted for their crimes are their wives ever implicated? Never!

    When the Israelis fire missiles at apartment buildings in Gaza everyone screams at the generals and politicians but what about their Jewish wives who probably are whispering into their ears in bed at night and driving their malice against the Palestinians?

    Women have a powerful biological drive for self-preservation. They can’t really help it. That’s part of their own tragic destiny. But I think the amorality of females drives the worst forms of male behavior.

    Ultimately I think God made a terrible mistake creating humans as male and female. I believe it’s the source of all human misery. There is a Jewish Legend that originally God created man as an androgynous being with male and female characteristics. That appears in Genesis chapter 1. But God scrapped that idea and went to plan B in Genesis chapter 2 creating distinct male and female genders.

    Whatever the truth is, I believe the existence of genders in humanity is the source of all human misery and unhappiness. Sexuality maybe is 0.1% pleasure and 99.9% misery.

  461. Malla says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Danny Denzongpa was Indian from Sikkim, he was not a foreigner. He looked very East Asian. He mostly played the role of villain but he acted as hero in many movies too. He was a good singer as well

  462. @Malla

    There’s also James Wagnor. But he only did Kollywood films.

    Robert Chapin, another American actor in Kollywood.

    Kollywood’s also got more Anglo-Indian actors.

    But North Indians don’t watch Kollywood, really.

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  463. Malla says:
    @Mevashir

    The man dancing here looks completely European to me.

    LOL, can you guess who he is?
    Check out that Bollywood couple in the first video in post 456 in this page (Ek Mai aur Ek Tu), where I wrote that, that Bollywood couple fell in love in real life and got married. Well this guy is their son!!! He is a big star like his parents too. So in that video, you can see his parents danceing with each other. The video is repeated in post 457.

    I think she could pass as an Italian or maybe Greek.

    Yes. That is true.
    I have heard some people say that some Indians look like dark Slavs. That is not surprising because the Aryan ancestry or male Y-chromosome of Indian Subcontinentals are from Northern Slavs (Russians, Poles) and Balts (Latvians, Lithuanians). while in Iran, their Y-chromosome is more Western European or Celto-Germanic.

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT5-bp8T5hDAzra9MDx7K73GITYXpJZQ21UkA&usqp=CAU

    Yup. Thats a stunner. Thanks, that is really my type actually. Ethiopians have Caucasian facial forms anyways. I find Ethiopian and Somali women attractive.

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  464. Truth says:
    @Malla

    Oh, BTW Malls, I meant to send you this some time ago:

    There is a small, (but growing ) thesis, that Europeans actually are (this is going to be the happiest day of your life, trust me!) the descendants of Indian albinos who moved north…

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  465. Mevashir says:
    @Malla

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT5-bp8T5hDAzra9MDx7K73GITYXpJZQ21UkA&usqp=CAU
    Yup. That’s a stunner. Thanks, that is really my type actually. Ethiopians have Caucasian facial forms anyways. I find Ethiopian and Somali women attractive.

    The amazing thing is that this girl and her brother are both over six feet tall. The mom is a black Ethiopian (half Christian/half Jewish) only 5’2″. The dad is a very tall white American. The kids got the best of both gene pools! This is the daughter with her mom to the right:
    I think interracial mixing produces the best-looking and healthiest offspring. When I lived in South Africa my Afrikaner wife of the time told me that white South African women constantly worried their men would take a fancy to black African women. They had a saying: “Once a man tastes chocolate he won’t want to go back to vanilla!” She said that German immigrants to South Africa had a strong reputation for marrying black women. We knew an Israeli pilot who was involved with diamond mining in Congo and lived in South Africa. He married a Congolese woman who looked like an African princess. (Sorry no photos available).

    Check out this clip of the musical The Prince of Egypt performed in London. It has a very international cast. The black singer is very voluptuous and dressed in tight fitting clothes. I think the white woman singing next to her casts some very envious looks her way. The white woman is pretty but very thin and reminds me of the killer robots in the Terminator movies. The girl who stands up at 2:27 and sings in perfect Hebrew is Egyptian. I think she has a stunningly beautiful Egyptian face. The man who sings at 4:00 (I think the Moses character) looks Indian to me.

    This is an award winning French film about the Ethiopian experience in Israel:

    https://tubitv.com/movies/519992/live-and-become

    The child involved is smuggled from a Sudanese refugee camp onto a flight to Israel. The only catch is he is Christian! For the entire movie he assumes a Jewish identity. There is one scene when he debates an ultra-Orthodox student about the race of Adam. He argues in the clip that since Adam was created from the earth he must have been red or brown:

    When I lived in the bible belt in North Carolina, I took this idea a step farther and told my fundamentalist friends that Adam and Eve were the first interracial couple, since he was made from the earth so was dark and she was made from his rib and so was white. A comment like that in KKK territory would get someone killed, especially since it has a dark-skinned man marrying a white skinned woman, the ultimate fear of white supremacists.

    I once read a famous sociological study that argued that southern white men had a strong attraction to black women since they were raised by black nannies working inside the plantation mansions. And the racialist laws they enacted were a projection of their own sexual fantasies about black women onto black men assuming they likewise desired white women. I can’t recall the title of that work unfortunately.

    I’ve been married six times to European and American Jewesses. Never to an African or Asian woman and I don’t think I will be looking any further either at my age. But in my experience women are pretty much all the same: they desire comfort and security. They will tolerate a pretty poor relationship so long as they receive the material support they need. Biologically their nesting instinct makes sense as a way to care for their progeny. Men biologically are primed just the opposite: to cast their seed far and wide.

    I think the Women’s Lib movement really damaged men because it lulled them into the delusion that they can let women become the primary bread winners. In my experience this is completely false. No matter how much money and power a woman might have, she cannot respect a spouse who doesn’t support her financially in some way.

    This is a brief essay I wrote called Female Instigation of Male Aggression:
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ojnF5chQb07RMRJya6shtXx7TtScs2f7/view?usp=sharing

    Leonard Shlain was a San Francisco neurosurgeon who wrote about evolutionary anthropology as a hobby. He has some fascinating studies on gender differences in the development of human culture: https://leonardshlain.com/books/

  466. Mevashir says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Pardon my ignorance but what is Kollywood?

    Danny Denzongpa was Indian from Sikkim, he was not a foreigner. He looked very East Asian. He mostly played the role of villain but he acted as hero in many movies too. He was a good singer as well

    He resembles Jackie Chan. I discovered recently that Bruce Lee was 1/8th Dutch Jewish!
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/mixed-martial-artist-uncovering-bruce-lees-hidden-jewish-ancestry/https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2018/08/3B.-Siblings-1024×640.jpg

    I think that’s why Bruce was so creative and innovative: because of his mixed racial background he didn’t really fit in with any group and he could choose to go his own way. It’s both a blessing and a curse because you don’t have a group identity to fall back on and to protect you either.

    PS Do Hindus really drink as much as indicated in these clips? That concerns me.

  467. Mevashir says:
    @Malla

    and he used term “Jews living in the Middle East and India” knew about all that!!! Not Europe, but India. Middle East is understandable. Interesting.

    I’m not sure what he was referring to. He might have been referring to the verse in the Book of Esther that says that she reigned as Queen of Persia during a time when the Persian Empire extended from India to Ethiopia. That would be about 500 BC.
    https://theisraelbible.com/2016/02/07/kingdom-persia-book-esther/
    I once heard a Messianic speaker claim that King Solomon had sent Jews as far away as Spain to mine silver. Apparently Solomon had trading relations with many countries.

    The Mormons claim that Judeans fled Israel about 600 BC, just before the Babylonian conquest, and made their way to the New World. But I don’t think Jewish scholars or secular historians find this plausible.

  468. gatobart says:
    @Mevashir

    It’s virtually impossible to think critically while you are watching television.

    That may be true for the sheeple, and in an even more dramatic way for “Americans” but I am certain it doesn’t work for me; perhaps because I have read much in my life and inform myself about many things, specially History and Politics, as also during my childhood I didn’t have a TV set so i had to rely in books, so when I sit in front of a TV set i have already very clear ideas and opinions. And I can even spot BS even when I am being entertained and amused by it. For example, all those crime and cop series on TV, CSI, NCIS, you name it, I find them greatly entertaining but still a load of bullsheet. You see, there is a cop there who kills a suspect and as the circumstances are not clear he is hounded by his chief, Internal Affairs, this and that and they make a big thing out of it, he may lose his job and even go to prison if he doesn’t come out of it clean as a whistle when reality has nothing to do with it, a cop kills someone and all the whole system tries to cover for him. Or when one US soldier is killed in Afghanistan and they refer to the event as “he was serving his country” the only thing I can think is “What are these fools talking about, serving his countries killing peasants in the mountains on the other side of the world…?” That is just two examples, but to show you that I can be amused and entertained by TV I never lose sight of what is lies, misrepresentation and fantasy in it. (In fact i have found that many Hollywood comedies are more frank and realistic than police or “patriotic” dramas…!) I don’t mean that all that experimental data is not true, only that if that is true, what they show can be neutralized to a great extent with education and above all a sense of reality. If you are well anchored to reality and you educated yourself on the subject in question, you’ll still be able to avoid any brainwashing.

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  469. gatobart says:
    @Mevashir

    I suspect America is the most television intoxicated society in the world and I also suspect that is why Americans are so fundamentally ignorant. Television has done enormous damage to our society.

    And I was going to add to that. What you refer about TV brainwashing applies 100% to “Americans” (as i call Americans all of us living in this continent) and to varying degree to other countries and people. I think the lowest reliance on TV happens in the Third World, the poorer your country is, the more directly reality strikes you (poverty, lack of services, of full supermarkets, etc) so you can never forget about the difference between both worlds. I read something to that effect in some paper years ago, that North Americans watch a Hollywood movie and then they go out and may feel they are still living in the movie because the reality in the screen was the same one they are living in, while in poor countries there is a dramatic difference between both worlds. The best example, and what impressed me the most, was the fact that during 911, when the towers were burning, some New Yorkers saw them in the distance and they couldn’t believe their eyes so they went to their homes to watch it on TV, and then they believed it. In any other place in this world people would have gotten closer to check, but not these “Americans”, they trusted what TV would be telling them more than what they were seeing themselves.

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  470. Mevashir says:
    @gatobart

    If you are well anchored to reality and you educated yourself on the subject in question, you’ll still be able to avoid any brainwashing.

    I take your point. Your comment about corrupt cops is something I never thought about that seems 100% accurate. I recently have noticed that popular fiction does the same kind of cover up. Things like the Jack Reacher series Baldacci novels even John Grisham. I just read one of his lat