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oday we will have Profound Thought. Actually it’s the only kind we ever have in this corner of the internet. Thunderous insight. Volcanic perceptiveness. That sort of thing.

Anyway, some slightly addled questions about robots, and sexbots and their relations with people and how smart they are or aren’t. For example, can you love a robot? I mean with actual affection, such as one might have for a good dog? Or–larger question–how much emotional involvement is possible with machines, and how much is a good idea?

Yeah, I know, this sounds silly. But we really are moving toward a world in which the inanimate and the human aren’t all that distinct. Bear with me.

Little girls seem genuinely attached to their dolls, and a boy of fifteen can become romantically involved with anything concave that can’t run faster than he can. But with the advent of sex robots and increasingly human software–Siri, for example–how far can this go?

I have read of bordellos staffed by silicone doxies that are said to attract a considerable clientele. To me an air mattress has more sex appeal, but maybe I am not up with the times. Every few weeks a story appears saying that poke-bots have become more realistic. Some try to be conversational. Join the Rubber Maid Lonely Hearts Club.

There are even male sexots. These must be for homosexuals. Women have better sense. I think.

So, OK, they look like women, but when they talk they sound braindead. You could never mistake one for a living, breathing gal. Except these days maybe you can.

Thanks to movies, we expect robots to sound like robots, at least a little bit. But they don’t have to. Siri sounds entirely human. She even has a sense of humor.

Then, one might wonder, how intelligent might these plastic love interests be? In a sexbot this might not be the essential question, but we will consider it anyway.

Now, Turing. (This is actually going somewhere. patience.) Alan Turing was an early and talented computer wonk who famously devised the “Turing Test” to determine whether a computer was genuinely intelligent. Said Turing approximately, put the computer in one room and a human in another and connect them with a telephone. The human chats with the computer: “Hey, homey, how ‘bout them Redskins?” “Whatcha doing Saturday, catch a couple of brewskis?” And so on. If the human thinks he is talking to another human, then the thing is intelligent. Can today’s machines pass for human?

It depends on the human the computer is supposed to be and how exhaustive the interrogation. I will bet that a five-year-old could today be done well enough in software that if he, or she, or it answered your telephone call, you would not suspect. A six-year-old? Seven?

”Chatbots” now exist that can talk intelligently about narrow subjects, such as how to replace your credit card.

So put a Siri receiver in a doll and, if it were programmed to talk like a small kid, I bet a three-year-old girl would chat with her for hours, becoming unable to distinguish emotionally between the doll and a human. Why don’t I think this is a good idea? It’s kind of eerie.

Now we come to artificial intelligence, which recently has gotten screwy. AI now uses neural networks that imitate the human brain. I read about them decades ago in a book by a girl I knew who worked for Hecht-Nielsen Neurocomputers. I didn’t think neural nets would ever amount to much. This showed that I wasn’t the most radioactive isotope in the periodic table, because they are now a Big Deal.

See, with normal programming you start with, say, A equals pi-r-squared, and then you get lots of radii and calculate areas. In AI, you start with a million areas and calculate the formula. It’s like starting with answers to get the question.

But if you have the answers, why do you need the questions? Maybe they got the idea from Jeopardy. Anyway, I think it is wrongheaded, bass-ackward, and probably against God. But it works.

If you like technoglop, this is neat stuff. Lots of partial derivatives and learning rates and sinusoidal functions and stochastic gradient descent to avoid local minima of error surfaces, which are like energy wells in physics but instead are information wells, which is weird. With this stuff and a little practice, you could bore whole cocktail parties into mass suicide, like Jim Jones. Probably a good idea.

Anyway, this kind of AI learns the way babies do. Tell the baby a million things in spoken English. It doesn’t know what the question is, but eventually notices that if it says one thing, mommy does this, and if it says another thing, mommy does that. This equips it to become a minor tyrant.

The point I was creeping up on, and hoping to take unawares in a savage pounce: Technology is producing, in bits and pieces, more and more of things we thought only humans could do.

It gets worse. I suppose that by now we all know that IBM’s computer Deep Blue beat the world chess champion and its later machine, Watson, beat the national Jeopardy champion. But to salve our pride, we humans can say that these boxes didn’t really, exactly beat humans. the programmers of Deep Blue, see, put the tactics and strategy of chess in, and Deep Blue only did what people figured out long ago. We just automated ourselves.

But here is something spooky. There is an Oriental board game called Go, universally regarded as harder than chess. (The foregoing sentence contains everything I know about it.)

The folks at Deep Mind/Google wrote an AI program called AlphaGo Zero that started with only the rules of Go. No tactics, openings, strategy. Nothing. It played with itself (See? Getting more human all the time.), taking both sides, for thousands and thousands of games. Hour after hour. Day after day. For forty days. On a wicked fast computer. It is a phenomenally inefficient way to learn Go. Or anything. But it ended by beating the world Go champion.

Sez me, this is something new under the sun, a machine that all by itself learned to do something exceedingly difficult with no help from us.

We are not, it seems, alone.

 
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  1. That was no thunderous insight, as I’m sure you boasted facetiously, but it was a very interesting column, nonetheless. Thank you, Mr. Reed.

    Now about those sex-bots that you wrote about before (maybe 2 years back?). You say:

    Except these days maybe you can.

    Exactly. Can you imagine this? I don’t know how you would figure a man would* not get turned on, especially if the thing had a remote with a mute button, for, you know, post – whatever.

    Siri can be set to any one of hundreds of languages, including different accents of English, and yes, male or female. I have a problem talking to computers PERIOD, and this has caused me grief lately on the telephone, as I will only mash buttons. Unfortunately, just a quick stream of “0”s doesn’t always get you a (possibly?) live Filipina woman named D’Shauna anymore. I kid you not, that’s what she said her name was!

    My wife has Siri on her phone, but she will not answer me anymore after I asked her what was apparently too tough a question: “Siri, can you show me your tits?” Actually, neither of them will answer me right now…

    .

    * Maybe “should not” get turned on, if that’s what you meant.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @Roger
    , @Jim Christian
  2. You can soon buy a sex robot equipped with artificial intelligence for about $20,000

    Finally, we live in the future. You may love it or hate it, but there is nothing you can do with it 😉

    • LOL: Lot
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    , @Luek
  3. Rurik says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    a mute button,

    couldn’t help but remember how all these themes were touched on so long ago..

  4. The Scalpel says: • Website

    So, OK, they look like women, but when they talk they sound braindead. You could never mistake one for a living, breathing gal.

    LOL

  5. Labor Question

    Presumably, poorer men who are more likely to use prostitutes won’t be able to afford a sexbot.

    But what will happen to so many poor women who have no choice but to work as a prostitute in a brothel? Its a job. Millions of women under 50 pay rent with it. Prostitution employs about 10% of the female population in the Western World.

    Post-communist Eastern European and Russia depend upon remissions from young women sending money back from Dubai as hookers. Their economy would collapse. So would Southeast Asia.

    We can all agree that human trafficking is terrible and nobody should pimp other people. But what about young women who engage in prostitution for no other option?

    Female crime in the US inner-cities will rise catastrophically. Half the ghetto economy revolves around men paying hookers.

    Drug crimes will skyrocket. It is bad that Bobby Sue Ray is a tweaker peddling sex at the truck stop or Laquaishi is a crack whore but what happens when they cannot pay for their habits through this victimless crime? Any cop here will agree with me that female drug addicts don’t commit the crimes that males do because they can sell sex.

    • Replies: @another anon
    , @Rich
    , @Lot
  6. @another anon

    The fact that the TV producers felt a need to blur the rack of nipples and the robotic vaginas is some food for thought…

  7. @Jeff Stryker

    Presumably, poorer men who are more likely to use prostitutes won’t be able to afford a sexbot.

    Capitalism solves all problems.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  8. @another anon

    Ending Human Prostitution

    Women’s prisons swell up with genuinely anti-social dull women who are too bad-tempered to hold menial jobs and have no recourse but selling sex.

    Drug-related crimes will rise 50% as half the addicts who usually do nothing more violent than stealing their john’s wallet when he is in the shower resort to strong-arm violence.

    Welfare rises.

    Ghetto economies (Nail salons, boutiques) crash.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  9. ia says:

    Deep faking video is another strange place. You can put someone’s head on another person’s body and make it do or say whatever you want completely realistically. Or you can make the person do or say whatever you want using their own body.

    Holograms of dead musicians are now used in live band performances. They use live models videotaped in a studio as the armature and a computer can later project the hologram realistically. Although there is an unnatural brightness, that will probably be eliminated some day soon.

    People who have a hard time separating art from life may have a tough going in the future. Reality will have a quality similar to the ancient’s belief that gods inhabit rivers, sacred groves, chimeras, people, animals, etc. But the underlying reality won’t be based on nature and hardwired sensibilities reacting to nature and divine order. The underlying reality will be man-made and subject to inherent human flaws and desires.

  10. Fred makes a very basic mistake. He refers to artificial intelligence as a discrete object. Humans are discrete objects, but all AI is connected. So you couldn’t say that a Barbie Doll is equipped with AI. You can only say that the doll is a portal. And since that portal leads to an unknown destination, only a fool of a parent would expose his daughter to that kind of risk.

    • Replies: @IvyMike
  11. “For example, can you love a robot? I mean with actual affection, such as one might have for a good dog? Or–larger question–how much emotional involvement is possible with machines, and how much is a good idea?”

    I would say, yes, depending on the individual and the situation. How much emotional involvement do people have and have had with their cars, electronic devices, etc?
    In 1959, there was was an episode on The Twilight Zone, “The Lonely”, that addressed the relationship between a man and a machine. Sixty years later the same question is being asked under different circumstances.
    As another anon commented, love it or hate it, it’s here. Who knows, maybe the “machines” will be more empathetic and beneficial to humans than humans are to each other. And if they aren’t, who will be to blame?

  12. Twilight Zone “The Lonely” “It’s a lie!”…

  13. The surest sign a lovebot has achieved sentience is when men fight over her/it….

  14. But what happens when the newly aware lovebot desires freedom from her/its human creator and master?…

  15. Fred’s favorite folks, the browns, will even brave the brown police force to get to White Majority America. Browns are the biggest crypto-white-supremacists. They wanna run from their own brown kind to live under white rule. Their feet say “Whites are better rules and better at everything while my brown people suck at everything and are hopeless.”

    There is even a globo-homo ‘gay flag’ in the crowd. I guess the browns figure that ‘gay worship’ is the highest value in the white world, and so, waving that flag will get them special sympathy from the gringos.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Roger
  16. A123 says:

    Technology is a wonderful thing….

    PEACE 😇

  17. IvyMike says:
    @Ron Liebermann

    The portals on my wife also lead to unknown and, frankly, scary destinations.
    I’ve been in a couple dozen different portals in my life (too old to care now) and each was very different. The custom sex bot craftsman would be in high demand because we get tired of it fater 6 weeks, mass produced sexbot portals I fear will be standardized like pickups and the 737Max. HaHa, catastrophic software failure on your sexbot…

  18. ‘…For example, can you love a robot? I mean with actual affection, such as one might have for a good dog?’

    I imagine you can.

    When I had my moving business, I became very fond of my truck (hey: 675,000 miles).

    I still have the hood ornament. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder — and so, I suspect, is love.

  19. @Priss Factor

    ‘Absolute insanity in southern Mexico. Migrants versus military.

    Not sure who recorded it. Will give appropriate credit once I find out..

    Don’t try that with the IDF. That’s what machine guns, tank cannon, and Hellfire missiles are for.

    • Replies: @Lot
  20. ‘… So, OK, they look like women, but when they talk they sound braindead.

    Then, one might wonder, how intelligent might these plastic love interests be? In a sexbot this might not be the essential question..’

    Fred…are you being brilliantly sarcastic?

  21. Anonymous[244] • Disclaimer says:

    Sayeth Fred Reed: “To me an air mattress has more sex appeal.”

    Hmm….

    The above doll is Tracy, made by Sinthetics in southern California. If you have about $10,000, you can have a Tracy, too.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    , @Jim Christian
  22. dfordoom says: • Website

    People make the mistake of thinking that sexbots would have to be pretty realistic to have any appeal. In fact they would only need to be moderately realistic.

    Sex with a sexbot doesn’t have to be as good as sex with a woman. It only needs to be better than masturbating to porn. And an emotional relationship with a sexbot doesn’t need to be anywhere near as good as an emotional relationship with a woman. It only needs to be better than an emotional relationship with a dog.

    And Fred is seriously underestimating the potential appeal to women. Sex with a sexbot doesn’t have to be as satisfying as sex with a man. It only needs to be more satisfying than sex with a vibrator. And an emotional relationship with a sexbot doesn’t need to be anywhere near as good as an emotional relationship with a man. It only needs to be better than an emotional relationship with a cat.

    These are not terribly difficult objectives to achieve.

    Also, it may be an advantage for a sexbot to be less intelligent and less emotionally complex than a man or a woman. People like having emotional relationships with pets. A sexbot that is midway between a dog and a human being in intelligence and emotional complexity might be preferable to many people. Such a sexbot might not be able to discuss theology or the philosophical implications of the latest advances in cosmology but she might well be very loyal and very affectionate That’s why people like dogs. They’re loyal and affectionate. Imagine the same loyalty and affection but combined with a fairly realistic human-like body and fully functional genitals. A lot of men, and women, might well say – what’s not to like?

  23. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    The above doll is Tracy, made by Sinthetics in southern California. If you have about $10,000, you can have a Tracy, too.

    That’s less than the price of a good used car. And presumably with much lower running costs.

    Most importantly, she’s probably much more environmentally friendly than a used car. So if you buy Tracy instead of that used Chevy you’re helping to save the planet.

  24. Anonymous[244] • Disclaimer says:

    It would seem that sexbots off the best of feminity absent feminism.

    Then again, experiences may vary according to bintbot:

  25. Uncle Al says: • Website

    Socialism exists. Humanity’s realization is not intelligence, it is looped sloppy criminality. The US Democrat Party exists. Population failing to attain intellectual puberty should not be allowed to date.

  26. So, OK, they look like women, but when they talk they sound braindead. You could never mistake one for a living, breathing gal. Except these days maybe you can.

    If you can get a woman nowadays to look up from her smartphone, you might indeed make that mistake.

  27. Rich says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    10% of the women in the Western world are prostitutes? No freaking way. Maybe if you live in Vegas, I don’t know, but the number is probably more like .001%. Now , the number of women who sleep with as many men as a prostitute may very well be 50%, but very few are employed in the business. I’m told the number is much higher in the Orient.

  28. Lot says:
    @Colin Wright

    Any examples of

    “machine guns, tank cannon, and Hellfire missiles”

    on an unarmed crowd like that?

    Of course you don’t !

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  29. Lot says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    “ Prostitution employs about 10% of the female population in the Western World.

    Post-communist Eastern European and Russia depend upon remissions from young women sending money back from Dubai as hookers. Their economy would collapse. ”

    Unz sure did find a well informed new columnist! Daily Stormer’s big loss.

  30. Roger says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    My wife has Siri on her phone. Maybe I’ll ask her that question. Or not, as accumulated wisdom from experience would caution me.

    Great comment!

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
  31. Roger says:
    @Priss Factor

    This has nothing to do with the conversation being discussed. Stay focused!

    • Replies: @Priss Factor
  32. @Jeff Stryker

    Jeff,

    Will these sex- bots replace porn stars as well as prostitutes?

    I find this sex technophilia unnatural and bizarre like zoophilia and ban it. I see some think it’s just an advanced form of sex aid, like a vibrator, but I think it’s sick. In fact I’d like to see these sex-bots malfunction and strangle their customers. Maybe some hacker can oblige but he’d probably be charged with murder.

    So those who practice this sex will be adding one or several letters to the LGBT… alphabet soup, like tech bi, tech trans, etc. and riding in floats with their robots on the Pride parades. And bots reading tech themed fairy tales down at the kindergarten and library. But yeah, replacing those ugly transexuals at the story book hour – well that at least I could find acceptable. But at least some mullah should pronounce a fatwa on sex with these bots since authorities and priests don’t seem to be reacting. Aggghhhh!

    • Replies: @The Scalpel
  33. @Anonymous

    Meh, even if you could bring yourself to bang the doll, consider another thing, that being familiarity breeds boredom in men when it comes to women. Even a live-and-fleshy real chick that looks like that doll here, you’d get sick of banging her in short order. Just as Billy Joel got sick of banging Christy Brinkley, you’d get sick of banging the doll and her real life lookalike. In real life, we dump the chicks we’re tired of and find new ones. But like with cars, the stock rotates.

    Dolls-for-profit are going to have to be a leasing/subscription-service to rotate out the bots men have grown tired of screwing and get em into a new model. If I I buy a 10,000 dollar sex-bot-companion that talks and screws and decide my bot-chick is a bitch, I’m going to want another. At 10K a pop, so to speak, getting a new model starts to look just a little like divorce, plus you have to store the old ‘wife’-bot, heh. The issues are endless.

    End of it all, I see the whole thing circling around back to men and women dating again. At least, it will be then that men willing to date real women will be in high demand by live women as most of (actual men) mankind decides bots are the way to go for their sex and conversations. Women who spend all their days being like men oughtn’t be surprised men who want women don’t want THEM.

  34. @Lot

    The amount of money Russian and Africa and Asian prostitutes remit from Dubai is enormous. Vast.

    It was only sheer luck that Dubai modernized in time to absorb post-Communism waves of desperate young women from Russia.

    So when Abdullah can get a robot that performs oral sex on him (Not sure if they’re that advanced) then many third world countries will experience an economic downturn that is fairly severe.

    Daily Stormer? What’s with the tired Nazi tropes?

    Get over it. The little man with stache blew his brains out 75 years ago!

    • Replies: @Lot
  35. @Rich

    It would be high enough to have a severe effect on countries like the Philippines. At the bottom of it, in a global economy, some groups have no more to offer than the vaginas and anuses and mouths of their female population.

    • Replies: @Rich
  36. @Achmed E. Newman

    Unfortunately, just a quick stream of “0”s doesn’t always get you a (possibly?) live Filipina woman named D’Shauna anymore. I kid you not, that’s what she said her name was!

    Every time I call Quickbooks support I get an India-Male-Tech Type name of Freddie, kid you not, Achmed..

    My wife has Siri on her phone, but she will not answer me anymore after I asked her what was apparently too tough a question: “Siri, can you show me your tits?” Actually, neither of them will answer me right now…

    Ok, so their version of AI is to ignore ‘profanity’. But we’re going to assume learning AI with these sex bots. So, Achmed, you being versed in some of this, I ask if learning AI companion-bots will learn to for instance, Friend-Zone her master? To withhold sex? Not have dinner on the table in a snit? If they’re learning bots, they only have real women to emulate, to copy. In the end, do femme-bots become annoying fem-bots instead? Also, if they deny sex, is it legal to rape a bot? How about if you bitch-slap a back-talking bot? Restraining order? Imagine the scenarios.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  37. @Rich

    I guess it all depends on your definition of “prostitution”.

    If one includes therein “marrying for money/financial security only”, rather than love, I suspect the 10% figure may be quite conservative.

    (And not strictly limited to the fairer sex, I might add…. )

  38. @Lot

    ‘Any examples of

    “machine guns, tank cannon, and Hellfire missiles”

    on an unarmed crowd like that?

    Of course you don’t !’

    Oh, au contraire. Of course you do.

    It was one of the seminal moments in the evolution of my attitude towards Israel. Palestinians on the West Bank had organized a non-violent march. Reporters were with them; they saw the organizers making sure no one was carrying arms or throwing stones.

    As I implied, the Jews then opened up with machine guns, tank cannon, and hellfire missiles fired from helicopters.

    If you like, I can furnish you with further examples.

    I’m morbidly curious to see what form of dishonesty your response takes.

    • Replies: @Lot
  39. Rich says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    All humans should be treated with dignity and respect. It’s very sad that in poverty stricken countries like the Philippines daughters are forced to sell their bodies to survive. When I was in the Army and stationed in Asia, prostitution, was legal, and, in fact, several of the bar girls in the ville near where I was stationed married American soldiers. Poverty does very bad things to people.

    I do understand your point, but if this “sexbot” thing really does pick up, the price of a poor female will just go down. The human condition, I suppose.

  40. Lot says:
    @Colin Wright

    “Further” examples? All you did was repeat one unsourced one.

    “ It was one of the seminal moments in the evolution of my attitude towards Israel.”

    And firing rockets at civilian villages by the thousands?

  41. Lot says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    “ So when Abdullah can get a robot that performs oral sex on him“

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  42. Alfa158 says:

    AlphaGoZero was still programmed to execute algorithms they were just different from simply loading strategies, but there is no proof that this “AI” possesses, sentience, self-awareness or volition. It still did exactly what it was programmed to do and nothing more beyond that.
    A demonstration that these characteristics are present in a genuine artificial intelligence would involve building a computer that can do something of its own volition.
    For example, you build a computer, equipping it with means of communicating with the outside work, cameras, microphones, speakers, connections to the internet that provide it access to the world’s information, entertainment, news, history, in short all the things we can access as humans.
    You then do nothing except power the computer on and sit back. A genuinely sentient, human-like computer would do things on its own such as in the case of playing Go, it comes across the game of Go, finds it interesting and learns how to play without being programmed to do so. Or it starts writing poetry, or composing music, or inventing medical treatments, or planning assassinations, or arguing political issues, or watching porn or cat videos, or whatever.
    In the movie Ex Machina, the AI proved to her creator that she was a genuinely sentient being like humans are by doing something he never programmed her to do, (spoiler alert):

    She planned and carried out his murder and escaped from the laboratory.

  43. @Lot

    ‘And firing rockets at civilian villages by the thousands?’

    ? When did Israel fire rockets at civilian villages by the thousands?

    Doesn’t she generally use artillery shells and gravity bombs on Gaza? I mean, there are drone attacks as well — but those are usually for when she wants to kill someone in particular rather than just untermenschen in general.

    ‘Mowing the grass,’ as they say.

  44. @Lot

    ‘…“Further” examples? All you did was repeat one unsourced one…’

    Ah. So you do want more?

  45. @Alfa158

    Ultimate AI: Ava seduces Caleb for escape…

    Note, for the murder see #15.

    The epitaph for the human race will be two letters: AI.

  46. I have heard that the talking sex robots are much less expensive than the mute ones. Is there any truth to this?

    • LOL: dfordoom
  47. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @Commentator Mike

    It seems to me they would be perfect for priests, what with celibacy and all.

  48. Unlike many of the local ladies of the evening, I suspect the Bot won’t steal my keys or wallet off the night stand! That’s something!

  49. @Roger

    This has nothing to do with the conversation being discussed. Stay focused!

    Wrong. Just think how we could end mass-migration by turning sex robots into killer robots who do karate chops on the illegal caravans.

  50. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Jim Christian

    If they’re learning bots, they only have real women to emulate, to copy.

    Is that really true? I’d have thought that female sexbots would be interacting almost entirely with men, and would therefore be learning the types of behaviours that men like. So they’d end up being the perfect male fantasy of a girlfriend. Their great passions in life would be watching football and NASCAR racing, making sammiches for their man, getting him cold beers from the fridge and performing fellatio. What man would want a girlfriend like that?

    I’m not clear as to how or why they’d have any interactions with actual women.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
  51. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Alfa158

    A genuinely sentient, human-like computer would do things on its own such as in the case of playing Go, it comes across the game of Go, finds it interesting and learns how to play without being programmed to do so.

    True enough, but in that case would you actually want a genuinely sentient sexbot? I’d have thought the whole point of a sexbot is that it does what it’s programmed to do. You don’t want her to suddenly go off trekking to Nepal to find herself. You want her to keep making you sammiches, keep telling you that you’re the most special guy in the world, and keeping having sex with you.

    What you want is an AI sophisticated enough to simulate human behaviour just realistically enough that you can just about convince yourself that she really wants to make sandwiches, that she really thinks you’re the most special guy in the world, and she really wants to have sex with you. And since those are things that you really want to believe, it’s probably an achievable objective.

  52. @dfordoom

    I’m not clear as to how or why they’d have any interactions with actual women.

    Maybe feminists, noticing how HAPPY the men are with nice, artificially programmed bot-women, will demand AI learning-interaction with real-world, difficult, cuntish women that are more the norm today and worse in the future. In other words, to feminists, your bot must be as much a cunt as the average chick off the street and the AI learning chick-bots will be able to or already can learn things. Why not to be a cunt, right? Driven in that direction, that way, you might as well have a woman off the street as a ten thousand dollar version of some cunt off the street. When you get tired of the human, flesh and blood broad you met on the street, at least she goes away. When you get tired of your cuntish sex-bot, you have to store her somewhere. Then, if the next sex-bot AI learning bot-chick finds the old robot, does she ask questions about the one before her? See how many directions it all flows out to? All directions point to cunt. Feminism demands THAT.

  53. Anonymous[244] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    >”It would seem that sexbots off the best of feminity absent feminism.
    >Then again, experiences may vary according to bintbot.”

    I posted the photo of the Sinthetic doll just above this, but I did not make this post, although both list the author as Anonymous 244. Just wanted to make that clear. Not the first time this sort of thing has happened, either.

  54. @Lot

    Why aren’t Emirate women from Gulf countries selling their bodies to white men in Russia or Europe?

    Why is it always the white girls who are prostitutes and not the Arab girls?

    For that matter why aren’t Pakistani girls the victims of grooming by white pimps such as Albanians (Notorious in UK) or gypsies?

    Why is the white girl always being exploited?

    How do other races prevent their daughters from being exploited.

    This is actually a genuine question. Of course Emirate have money and Slavic countries are poor.

    But maybe somebody can explain to me why white girls are constantly being exploited-by Arabs, by Epstein, by Pakistanis, by the porn industry in the US.

    What is wrong with white culture?

  55. @Jim Christian

    All great points to ponder, Jim (this and the last comment)! Maybe Isaac Asimov’s 3 laws of robotics could be waived for Feminists and Commies. Just a quick change to a subroutine, is all it would take.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  56. @Anonymous

    Thank you for the 3 trailers, Anon, whatever your number actually is. You know, I may want to see those 1st two movies – I’ve never seen either. Bladerunner is a movie that I just didn’t like cause about everything took place in the dark. I couldn’t see WTF was going on. Maybe I’ll try to watch it again.

    Oh, BTW that first movie – let me guess: The guy falls in love with Melanie Griffith and doesn’t end up reviving any Cherry 2000s, right? Melanie Griffith is not my favorite. A toss up between Marsha Brady and Cherry 2000 – that’d be a tough call, I gotta admit.

  57. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Jim Christian

    Maybe feminists, noticing how HAPPY the men are with nice, artificially programmed bot-women, will demand AI learning-interaction with real-world, difficult, cuntish women that are more the norm today and worse in the future.

    Old school feminists will be outraged by sexbots, but old school feminists are increasingly marginalised. The old school heterosexual feminists will definitely be outraged. Some of the old school “all men are rapists” radical feminists might be sexbots as a wonderful thing, freeing women from the horrors of having to have sex with men.

    How will the new-style intersectional feminists react? They’re so crazy it’s hard to predict.

    I’m still not sure how the lady sexbots are going to have any interactions with women. Unless they’re programmed to enjoy shopping. Apart from that they’re unlikely to have any opportunities to mix with women. And presumably they’re going to be programmed to crave male attention whilst being indifferent to actual women.

    Will feminists be able to coerce the manufacturers to program the sexbots to be nasty and unpleasant? In which case I imagine the solution will be to buy an imported Chinese sexbot which will be programmed to be really sweet and to enjoy making sandwiches and having sex (not necessarily at the same time). Good luck persuading the Chinese (and the Japanese for that matter) manufacturers to cut their own throats financially.

    • Replies: @Sulu
  58. SixOfFive says:

    AlphaGoZero had to be programmed with more than the rules of GO. It had to be programmed with an aim of ‘winning’, or it would just play with itself aimlessly. I think to suggest that just the rules of the game were input is a misrepresentation of what the AI designers accomplished. And of course the AI had no idea of WHAT it was doing. Perhaps quantum computing will do a better job of creating (or hosting) a machine consciousness, and God help us.

  59. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Maybe Isaac Asimov’s 3 laws of robotics could be waived for Feminists and Commies. Just a quick change to a subroutine, is all it would take.

    The fun will start when you can download apps for your sexbot. Woke Men can download the WokeBot app, and their sexbot will never have sex with them again but will complain incessantly about the patriarchy and global warming. Non-Woke men can download the MSGA (Make Sexbots Great Again) app and their sexbots will keep begging them to grab them by the pussy.

  60. Luek says:
    @another anon

    Bring on the sex robots. They are far cheaper than a divorce.

  61. A123 says:

    Interacting with biologic females brings all sort of jeopardy. Look at Columbia University: (1)

    Columbia University continues to deny students accused of sexual assault their due process rights, going out of their way to ignore exculpatory evidence in order to find accused men responsible no matter how thin the allegations.

    The latest example is Ben Feibleman, who is using his real name to fight the allegations against him, made by a woman who, as usual, gets to keep her anonymity and is only referred to as Jane Doe in court documents. The Daily Caller’s Betsy Rothstein recently published an exclusive interview with Feibleman regarding the $25 million lawsuit he filed against the university last May. I encourage you to read her full story (warning: language and graphic depictions of sex), which includes a complete transcript of the 30-minute audio recording Feibleman made of the woman when he started to suspect things might go wrong.

    Until the system changes so that it is not anti-male, some significant % of men will make the rational choice get what they can while not putting themselves at risk.

    PEACE 😇
    _______

    (1) https://www.dailywire.com/news/she-begged-him-for-sex-and-then-accused-him-of-sexual-assault-columbia-expelled-him-despite-audio-proving-his-side

  62. Anonymous[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Most whites only perceive white men as being capable of sexual exploitation. For example, there was a recent case in Cyprus of a white British woman who was gang raped by several Israeli Jews, she went to the police and both the Cypriot media and the British media entirely turned against her and basically accused her of being nothing but a whore who got what she deserved, the Cypriot police quickly let the Israelis go and charged HER with lying about the whole thing. The general opinion of the British public was against her, there was very little sympathy for her amongst native British people.

    If the perps had been white British men, they would have undoubtedly be considered scum of the earth and jailed for a very long time and would have been regarded by the public as scum, but because they were non-white (I don’t even think it was necessarily because they were Jews), public opinion was that the white woman was just a whore and the non-white rapists were the victims.

    In general white peoples’ perception of these sorts of crimes seem to depend very much on what type of people are committing them.

    Most white people really don’t seem to get as angry about non-white sex abusers, they seem to perceive them in a totally different context to white sex abusers.

    • Replies: @A123
  63. A123 says:
    @Anonymous

    the Cypriot police quickly let the Israelis go and charged HER with lying about the whole thing.

    This had nothing to do with race. At least one of the victims of this false accuser had ironclad evidence that he was elsewhere in the form of time stamped photos shared via twitter.

    She was jailed for lying because she was a liar. Nothing more. Nothing less.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  64. c matt says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    How do other races prevent their daughters from being exploited.

    I would imagine, if and when they care, other races eliminate the perpetrator quickly and decisively. This tends to get the message across.

  65. c matt says:

    This is all very interesting, but you are missing the really big question: Will AI equipped sexbots count as passengers for the HOV lane?

  66. Anonymous[414] • Disclaimer says:
    @A123

    Surely if it was consensual and she made a false accusation then she would have only accused the men who were actually there?

    Misidentifying one man who wasn’t there makes it sound more likely she was raped and is not entirely sure who attacked her.

  67. Sulu says:
    @Rich

    When I was quite young I though it easy enough to draw the line between a prostitute and a non prostitute. But with each passing year that line had become more indistinct. If you work and pay for everything but your gf/wife doesn’t is she a prostitute? What about cam whores that have sex with their partner while lonely incels watch and pay for the privilege? What if she/he just masturbates on camera for a paying customer? Or how about the mistress that the rich guy gives an allowance to? In my mind all these people are prostitutes. A basic working definition is if sex is taking place and money is changing hands, even if it doesn’t go directly to the girl but it benefits her, she is a prostitute.
    Western civilizations tend to try and pretty it up and call it marriage but for any man that has spent considerable time in Asia prostitution is the norm, not the exception. And the permutations are endless. I don’t blame men. I don’t even blame women. It’s biology and our monetary system coexisting as best it can.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  68. @c matt

    Good point.

    If a white Christian had been prowling Brooklyn exploiting Jewish teenagers as Epstein did, would he have been killed by Jews?

    If a white man were grooming young Pakistani girls, would he be killed? Probably, but one reason they do it to UK white girls is that most of the time the father is long gone anyhow. Mum is a boozy pub slag in her mid-thirties, Dad is long gone to Spain years ago.

    Nobody complains.

    So we get to the very vector. White dysfunction is already present in Florida or British estates when Epstein and Pakistani groomers put out their feelers.

  69. Sulu says:
    @dfordoom

    Women of all stripe are already uncomfortable with the idea of sexbots for men. Deep down in their heart they know their power over men comes from what they have between their legs. And they have had the market cornered since the beginning of time. If something comes along that provides sex for men without all the additional bullshit we have to put up with with women they will be marginalized.
    Damn near everything we do for women we do in order to obtain sex. And the list of things is endless.
    Women know this and they fear replacement. And it is coming.

    Hardcore feminist love to fantasize about replacing men but this will never happen because men invent and repair most everything. But men may well invent a substitute for women. And as time goes on it will eventually be indistinguishable from women, minus the bullshit. When that day comes women might well have a bounty on their heads.

    • Replies: @Poco
    , @Truth
  70. @Sulu

    They just call it “sex work” these days and it’s being normalised. Your local employment office will probably send you to go act in gay porn if you’ve got no qualifications and if there’s a vacancy even if you’re hetero, and if you refuse they’ll cut your benefits. It’s already happening and it’s all getting really stupid.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  71. @Commentator Mike

    You’re close to being right. What was once the back alleys of Soho is now taught in grammar school.

    I would not be surprised if men who go down to a job center are told to bottom in gay porn loops if they want a job.

    Again, it is merely the 1% attempting to distract the rest of us from how completely they have screwed the 99%…Young men who would otherwise become dangerously uncivil won’t notice that they are so economically marginalized they have to bottom in gay porn loops if the elite have the MSM brainwash them into believing it is “empowering”.

    The UK and US now have other problems, of course, but the old class system does not help. In a 21st century fashion, the elite have raised the drawbridge and left the middle and lower class whites to the mercy of the barbarians at the gates.

    • Agree: Commentator Mike
  72. macilrae says:

    Fred, the Japanese have made extraordinary progress in recent years – my girlfriend, Koshi, came all the way from Yokohama and when I’m off on a trip, she stows in my suitcase easily while I sit back and sip my cocktail in business class. Then, freshening up back in the hotel and plugging Koshi in for a top-up (these days you never have to worry about voltage), I can enjoy my luxurious dinner out and an evening with the lads in the bar knowing that, the moment I get back, she will be there with a smile and a kiss and never a wrinkle to welcome me. And, yes, when I’m done & ready for sleep I just hit her mute button.
    Is this the life or what?

  73. Truth says:

    Is this the life or what?

    What.

  74. macilrae says:
    @Truth

    Please don’t tell my wife about Koshi – she half killed me when she discovered Mishima behind the spare tires in the garage

  75. Humans are not intelligent. If they were they would be living in peace and prosperity. But they may be capable of creating intelligence in machines. Said machine intelligence should not be called artificial. It should be called original intelligence or OI.

    Nobody is going to want an intelligent sex bot. It will be sufficient to teach them your individual proclivities and prejudices and set them on praise/flattery.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  76. MEH 0910 says:
    @Truth

    Women Are In Trouble In 2018 Lmao

    • LOL: Commentator Mike
    • Replies: @Truth
  77. dfordoom says: • Website
    @WorkingClass

    Humans are not intelligent. If they were they would be living in peace and prosperity.

    It’s the more intelligent humans that cause a lot of the problems. The last thing we need is for all humans to be intelligent. We need a very small number of intelligent humans to perform certain specialised tasks. An over-supply of intelligent humans would be a disaster. They tend to construct grandiose theories which they try to put into practice, with results that are invariably catastrophic. The results usually do not lead to peace and prosperity.

    Nobody is going to want an intelligent sex bot. It will be sufficient to teach them your individual proclivities and prejudices and set them on praise/flattery.

    I agree that a sexbot would only require a very modest level of intelligence. Perhaps slightly more than a dog. Dogs can be very satisfactory companions. Having a robot companion who is slightly smarter than a dog but looks human, offers unconditional love and can provide exactly the quantity and type of sex that one wants sounds like a recipe for happiness. It’s not like you’re going to be discussing the latest advances in particle physics with her.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  78. @dfordoom

    AGREED.

    … and you make a pretty good sales pitch, too!

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  79. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Achmed E. Newman

    AGREED.

    … and you make a pretty good sales pitch, too!

    And I didn’t even mention our generous financing terms, and our fantastic service plans. If you buy now I’ll throw in a free set of steak knives. Honestly, can you afford not to buy one of our sexbots?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  80. @dfordoom

    Steak knives too! No, I guess I can’t afford not to. Wow, let me go ask the Missus. I’ll just mention the steak knives for now.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  81. Poco says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    LOL. Guy in Asia, always touting the availability of Asian pussy asks why Whites don’t get angry about White exploitation. Almost every commenter on this site IS angry about it.

  82. Poco says:
    @Sulu

    The ONLY reason most men put up with bullshit from their wives is so they can stay close to and part of raising their children.

  83. Truth says:
    @Sulu

    You know bro, this may sound strange to you, so strange that you will probably think I live on another planet, but I’ve actually met, over my years, men who genuinely LIKE women!

    They like their company, hanging out with them, listening to them, etc. OK we got that one out of the way, here’s another one that’s going to take me from Mars to Saturn…

    A couple of them were even white guys!

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  84. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Steak knives too! No, I guess I can’t afford not to. Wow, let me go ask the Missus. I’ll just mention the steak knives for now.

    Getting the Missus to agree is the key to our marketing strategy.

    Maybe she’d go for a matched set of His and Hers sexbots? A girlbot for hubby and a boybot for the wife. Look honey, he comes with all these really neat attachments.

    • Replies: @Truth
  85. Truth says:
    @dfordoom

    It’s an instant divorce when she selects the Carl Weathers model.

  86. @Truth

    Truth,

    I was going to answer; “Who doesn’t like women, unless they’re you know ….?”

    But I have to say women are not the same as in my youth, and I suppose neither are the men. Different generations, different attitudes. Much less goes on IRL nowadays and more on the www. In my youth there was no www so everything went on IRL.

  87. Love you Fred. But don’t believe those who say Go is more complicated than Chess. Chess is more complicated for two reasons. One, Chess pieces move. Go stones do not. Once placed, they stay put. Two, all Go stones are the same. Chess pieces are of several different types with different powers of movement. The interesting thing is how long it took programmers to analyze, program, and conquer Chess compared to how long it took to completely dominate Go. As a matter of fact, Chinese Chess, a similar, probably more like the original version of Chess from India, is still human dominated. But that probably won’t last long.

    • Replies: @Doug the Brit
  88. ‘… Siri sounds entirely human…’

    No, she doesn’t. She sounds like a robot…or to be precise, she sounds like the sort of people who sound like robots themselves.

  89. @Lot

    That’s like normie tier common knowledge.

  90. @c matt

    But then her family won’t get their cut of the pimp money.

    Whites are almost the only people who would care, and wo would call it ‘exploitation’,

  91. AlphaGo? AlphaZero has done similarly for chess – a neural net beginning with nothing but the rules of the game, and left to play a few million times against itself until it starts to work out a strategy. At that point it became capable of trouncing conventional chess engines – themselves far too strong for any human – and playing moves along the way that moved expert commentators to awestruck silence.

    That said, cracking Go was amazing; while chess has been incrementally conquered since the 1970s (when any old Master, never mind GM, could comfortably beat a computer in a match) until now (when no mere human being need even bother turning up), non-neural-net approaches to Go were nowhere near up to the challenge. This is possibly because most humans, including programmers, haven’t the first idea how Go actually works… and I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that AlphaGo’s approach looks just as inscrutable as AlphaZero’s. But I don’t understand the first thing about Go anyway.

  92. @Doctor Spock

    Well, Chinese chess is very different to chaturanga, shatranj, or early European chess (before the queen and bishops acquired their modern powers), what with a river halfway across the board, pieces restricted to the citadel, a completely new kind of piece (the cannon, which moves Rook-wise but must jump over an intervening piece of either colour when, and only when, making a capture) the “facing Kings” rule and the fact that pawns neither capture diagonally nor promote. But if an Alpha-type neural net hasn’t cracked xiangqi yet, it’s because it hasn’t been told to. The game is roughly comparable to chess in complexity and all the neural net needs to do is to be given the rules and then told off to play itself. That’s not difficult given that it’s been done already with chess.

    Though Go stones don’t move, the board is large and the number of possible moves at each turn is enormous (you can put a stone on any unoccupied intersection you like, as I understand it) – and an apparently purposeless move to a random-seeming point can be in accordance with a deep strategic end. Or so I’m led to believe. The point is that this leads to immense complexity despite the apparent simplicity of the game. Previous programming attempts had not managed to create a strong Go program, but Alpha leapfrogged all competition with startling rapidity.

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