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Partial index, Knockout Game a Lie? To cure a disease, begin by admitting that you have it.

Ah, the joys of escalation. In Ferguson blacks are shooting policemen as others cheer .It does a curmudgeon’s soul good: Everything gets worse, the collapse continues, and unreasoning stupidity goes thundering into the future.

We will hear I suppose that it wasn’t racial, that teens did it, that discrimination caused it, white privilege, racism, institutional racism, slavery, colonialism, bigots, Southerners, rednecks—everything but the hatred of blacks for whites.

And thus we will avoid the unavoidable, that racial relations are a disaster, will remain a disaster, will get worse, are getting worse, and will lead to some awful denouement no matter how much we lie, preen, vituperate, chatter like Barbary apes, or admire ourselves.

It isn’t working. There is no sign that it ever will. What now?

The only solution, if there is a solution, would seem to be an amicable separation. This methinks would be greatly better than the slow-motion, intensifying racial war we now see, and pretend not to see. When the races mix, there is trouble. So, don’t mix them.

A one-sided race war of low intensity is exactly what we have, and will have. This has been multiply documented, and the documentation ignored, yet it is readily available. Most recently, there is Colin Flaherty’s Knockout Game a Lie?: Awww, Hell No! dealing with gang attacks of whites by blacks. It is a clever book since, being available in Kindle format only, it can (and does) contain hundreds of clickable links to original sources. It all checks out. So does Ann Coulter’s Mugged: Racial Demagoguery from the Seventies to Obama: . So does Flaherty’s earlier book,‘White Girl Bleed A Lot’: The Return of Racial Violence to America and How the Media Ignore It.

The racial hostility of blacks for whites can be seen elsewhere, for example in targeting of crime, most starkly in i nterracial rates of rape. One of the less appealing tendencies of uncivilized masculinity, a staple of military history, is the desire to humiliate the enemy by having his women. The numbers on rape, almost entirely black on white, also check out as cold fact, being derived from the federal UCR and NCVS. This has been analyzed to death, and ignored to death, but perhaps the most readable account is Jim Goad’s For Whom the Cat Calls (the numbers of note come below the ads).

Even without the (inevitable) racial hostility, togetherhood would not work well. The races have little or nothing in common. They do not want the same things. Whites come from a literate European tradition dating at least from the Iliad in 800 BC, a tradition characterized by literature, mathematics, architecture, philosophy, and the sciences. Africa, having a very different social traditions, was barely touched by this, and today blacks still show little interest. Even in the degenerate America of today, whites put far more emphasis on education than do blacks.

The media paint the problems of blacks as consequent to discrimination, but they clearly are not. If blacks in white schools wanted to do the work, or could, whites would applaud. If in black schools they demanded thicker textbooks with bigger words and smaller pictures, no white would refuse. The illiteracy, the very high rates of illegitimacy, the crime in general, the constant killing of young black men by young black men in particular—whites do not do these. They are either genetic, and irremediable, or cultural, and remediable, if at all, only in the very long run. We live in the short run.

Would it then not be reasonable to encourage a voluntary segregation? Having only black policemen in black regions would slow the burning of cities. If we let people live among their own, let them study what they chose to study, let them police themselves and order their schools as they chose, considerable calm would fall over the country.

If the races had the choice of running their own lives apart, they would. If this is not true, why do we have to spend such effort trying to force them together?

It is a great fallacy to think that because we ought to love one another, we will; or that because bloodshed among groups makes no sense, it won’t happen. The disparate seldom get along, whether Tamils and Sinhalese or Hindus and Moslems or Protestants and Catholics or Jews and Palestinians. The greater the cultural and genetic difference, the greater the likelihood and intensity of conflict. Blacks and whites are very, very different.

Separation does not imply disadvantage. The assertion that “separate is inherently unequal” is a catchiphrastic embodiment of the Supreme Court’s characteristic blowing in the political wind. A college for girls is not inherently inferior to a college for boys, nor a yeshiva for Jews inherently inferior to a parish school for Catholics. And maybe it is the business of girls and boys, Catholics and Jews, to decide what and where they want to study—not the government’s business.

And so with segregation. While a comfortable distance would make for peace, black policemen should get the same pay and equipment as white, black teachers the same pay as white, and black schools equal facilities and any books and curricula they want.

Autonomy in setting policy for police would further reduce anger. For example, blacks are unhappy because so many of them are in prison, frequently on drug charges. Why not make arrests a local option? If the residents of black neighborhoods wanted their police to arrest drug dealers, they could do so. If they wanted to ignore dealers, or dealers in some drugs, they could do that too. We might call this “choice,” or “freedom.”

ORDER IT NOW

Washington, with its hothouse isolation from America, ruled by the exotic orchids flowering in the Senate and by billionaire hustlers, may believe that America is what the talking heads tell us it should be. If you savagely punish anyone who points out that you have cancer, they stop pointing—but you don’t stop having cancer. Maybe we should think about this.

Anger hangs over the country. Not everyone white is a professor or collegiate sophomore or network anchor. Not every white—not by a long shot—in Congress or the federal bureaucracy is a Mother Jones liberal, not in private conversation. They say aloud what they have to say. But in the Great Plains and small-town South, in corner bars in Chicago and Denver, in the black enclave of the cities, a lot of people are ready to rumble. Read the comments section of the St. Louis papers after the riots. We can call the commenters whatever names we choose but when we finish, they will still be there. The shooting of policemen for racial reason–at least four to date–is not a good sign. We will do nothing about it but chatter.

(Republished from Fred on Everything by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Rich says:

    Forced integration, block-busting, and affirmative action destroyed any chance of the White and Negro race getting along. Crazed, social engineers impatience brought about so much dissension, they created a conflict that looks like it will never end.

    • Replies: @Epaminondas
  2. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Rape also skews heavily in favor of white men raping Asian women as opposed to Asian men raping white women.

    So if you are going to state statistics, let’s see the whole picture eh?

  3. Alfa158 says:
    @Anonymous

    “So if you are going to state statistics, let’s see the whole picture eh?”
    Let me my small contribution to helping Fred show the whole picture.

    In 2008 the rate of burglaries per household was more than 5.63 times as high as the rate of auto thefts per household.

    What’s that, you say? Why Yes, you’re right , that has nothing to do with the point Fred is making about Black on White crime.

    Neither does the rate of White on Asian crime.

  4. D. K. says:
    @Anonymous

    Which “white men” might those be? The same type of “white men” that one might find on, say, Texas’ Ten-Most-Wanted list, perhaps?

    • Replies: @Bill P
  5. Truth says:

    The patron who finds a hair is his soup is often truthful, if only because he has grabbed both edges of the bowl, and shaken his head furiously until one shook loose.

    -Hungarian Proverb.

  6. I agree with Fred that race relations are deteriorating and that separation would appear to be a rational solution. But don’t you quickly run into the problem identified by John Derbyshire that many black people like the kind of society that white people create? Sub-saharan Africans are so desperate to get to a Europe managed by whites (at least for now) that they risk death on the high seas. Similarly, a lot of blacks in America would like to live the way white people live. They just can’t manage to do so. What do you do when you see “the moving van of doom” coming into your neighborhood? (I still remember the Norman Rockwell 1960s era painting showing a black family moving into a white neighborhood; the children were portrayed as an adorable little Negro and Negress: who could possibly object to such fine, upstanding neighbors?) Don’t you eventually have to resort to forcible exclusion: your kind’s not welcome here? A black in a white neighborhood will have to be confronted, either by law enforcement, or by a group of neighbors; what’s your business here, boy? Your section of town is that way! If you think that we’ve got problems now, just imagine trying to reinstitute the southern system of segregation or South African apartheid.

  7. @Anonymous

    The whole picture is, this is what separate countries are for.

  8. @Anonymous

    The whole picture is, this is what separate countries are for.

  9. Gene Su says:
    @Anonymous

    You make an incorrect but thought pondering point. Fred Reed and others have said that the reason why people don’t recognize this problem is because they only see a lot of well-behaved blacks. The flip side of this is that in our suburban public schools, you also see a lot of whites who aren’t quite well raised. They become bullies, losers, and drug addicts. Indeed, in many American suburban public schools, you might even find more blacks who are more intelligent and ambitious than the white counter-parts. Blacks who move into the middle class have to be ambitious and hard working. As an Asian, I know I did sadly. I dealt with a lot of nasty whites. I even dealt with a few white teachers that would protect their progeny from the consequences of their misbehavior. You don’t see the dregs in the inner city. That’s why far too many people are fooled.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
  10. Gene Su says:
    @Anonymous

    You make an incorrect but thought-provoking point. Fred Reed has once said that the reason why many whites are fooled is because most of the blacks they solely encounter are intelligent and hard-working. They don’t encounter the inner city dregs. The flip side is that in many American suburban public schools, you also encounter a lot of whites that aren’t well-raised. They become bullies, losers, and miscreants. When a kid goes to a suburban public school, this is the first impression they get. That is why so many teenagers join the liberal civil rights movement when they go to college. In fact, because an African American has to be hard working and ambitious to go into the middle class, you might typically come across more intelligent black children then white children in a typical public school. That’s why so many people are fooled.

  11. David says:
    @Diversity Heretic

    There is an Inuit community on Broughton Island, Nunavut that arose at the garbage dump of a large US radar instillation, part of the D.E.W. line. They hate white people, Kalunas — as they say. Beautiful region, loathsome people. I just thought it was a good parallel example of the phenomenon.

  12. Ronald Reagan liked to cite anecdotes, so let me do so too. After all, all politics is local and as Fred likes to say, despite what faraway voices say, people know their own situation. Our mixed race family loves one another, literature, has college graduates, among them advanced degrees lives peacefully and refuses to advocate violence and war. Politically, we’re prisoners neither of liberalism or conservatism. Call it a generous libertarianism.

    • Replies: @D. K.
  13. Fred acts like liberty would be a good thing.

  14. D. K. says:
    @Fran Macadam

    How about we accept your self-serving characterization of your own precious family at face value, Fran, just for the proverbial sake of an argument, and then label it for exactly what it is: an obvious outlier; or, as a mathematical psychologist of my own long acquaintance is fond of saying: “a low-probability event.”

    Over the weekend, my sister forwarded to me a news story about a British family of Nigerian descent, in which the ten-year-old daughter is a Mathematics prodigy, working on her university degree. The family is said to be sponsoring a new school, back in Nigeria, which will serve a few to several thousands of poor Black natives, each year, in order to help lift the native masses out of their impoverishment. Good luck to them all! With an estimated median IQ of 67, in Nigeria, I suspect that they will need all the luck that they can get.

  15. @Diversity Heretic

    Actually, as Fred has pointed out, that’s exactly what Hispanics are doing to blacks in many neighborhoods in California and Texas. I don’t see any black uprising about that.

    But you make a good point. As the years have passed, I’ve realized that the only way to protect and preserve a neighborhood (besides having extraordinarily high prices) is to have complete intolerance. That means being intolerant of the “good” NAMs. It’s difficult. Who wants to shun the nice black family and force them to live elsewhere. They’re likely college-educated and have the same values as you do. Good people.

    But, unfortunately, in the end, they’re a Trojan horse. Maybe their kids regress to the mean and trouble ensues. Maybe the daughter’s boyfriend from another neighborhood isn’t quite so nice. Maybe this family’s presence encourages slightly less “good” families to look at your neighborhood.

    There were very good reasons that people acted the way that they did in the past.

    • Replies: @j
    , @Gene Su
  16. Bud says:
    @Anonymous

    Anon — assuming that what you say is true, you are only adding to Fred’s argument. If whites really do rape Asian women out of proportion to Asian men’s raping white women, those two races really should not live close to each other either. Or, at least, they should not be forced to live close to one another.

    FWIW, when you make such a claim, you really should find the stats and provide a link. Also, it would be interesting to know how the black men on Asian women rape rate compares.

  17. Renoman says:

    I think the argument is becoming too diverse. What if we just try “let the Blacks look after the Blacks? Local stuff, welfare, schools, Police etc? The neighborhoods will sort themselves out. Ah but then Whitey wouldn’t have control of all that sweet government money and those sweet government jobs. It’s always the money and the [small time] greed.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  18. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I believe I may have the best story of irrational black racial violence ever. I e-mailed it Steve Sailer a few years ago and he got a kick out of it. If Fred or anyone’s interested,

    [email protected]

  19. Eric says:

    RE “Having only black policemen in black regions.”
    Hasn’t this already been proposed? I thought those black policemen threw a fit because it meant they would be policing the war zones while the white cops got the easy shifts. Can’t do that, because rayciss.

    • Replies: @Truth
  20. abj_slant says:

    Washington, with its hothouse isolation from America, ruled by the exotic orchids flowering in the Senate and by billionaire hustlers…

    The best takeaway from this article.

  21. MarkinLA says:
    @Renoman

    Ah but then Whitey wouldn’t have control of all that sweet government money and those sweet government jobs

    The reality is that all that sweet government money comes mostly from the whites. So what you want is that whites will be taxed and the money given to black localities? It might be worth the cost to many whites but lets be frank about where they money comes from.

    • Replies: @Renoman
  22. Truth says:
    @Eric

    No, I think white policemen would throw a fit becasue half of them would lose their jobs.

  23. Bill P says:
    @D. K.

    Up in my neck of the woods one of them was a celebrated shyster with deep connections in Seattle’s ultra-liberal courts.

    I’m sure White men do rape Asian women more than Asian men rape white women. But hardly on the scale of blacks raping everyone. Blacks are so far overrepresented as rapists that it overshadows everyone else, and sometimes one can forget that there really are white criminals out there, too.

    If Asians complain about white crime, however, I’m not particularly moved by their concerns. If we whites are so poorly behaved after all, why are so many wealthy Asians flocking to our shores and preferentially moving into our neighborhoods? And let’s be honest: Asian hookers don’t in general seem all that intimidated by white clients given that they set up shop in white suburbs all the time. If whites were truly sexually aggressive they’d avoid them just as they do blacks.

    • Replies: @D. K.
    , @rod1963
  24. j says: • Website
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    There were very good reasons that people acted the way that they did in the past.

    Sure. There must be very good reasons that people act today as they do. I cant see them but the reasons must be there. People today are not more stupid than yesterday.

    May be the current mix of 10% African with 90% European does not create enough friction to heat up the mass. Maybe the cost of bearing with the current situation is lower than say giving up our ideals of equality, democracy, etc.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @pinto
  25. “There is an Inuit community on Broughton Island, Nunavut that arose at the garbage dump of a large US radar instillation, part of the D.E.W. line. They hate white people, Kalunas — as they say. Beautiful region, loathsome people. I just thought it was a good parallel example of the phenomenon.”

    Why are we even there? Whose country is it? The Inuit didn’t “arise” out of nowhere, unlike that installation, with its predictable garbage dump despoilation. The spoils of war? Like the irradiated landscape from atomic weapon crashes in Greenland. I guess Putin is readying an invasion of Nunavut, before he conquers Europe. However, it already appears to be occupied. Maybe we could rename it “Nuland”?

    • Replies: @David
  26. orly says:

    separation?
    you plan on creating a “sovereign black country” within the bounds of the united states?

    no of coarse not.

    you just want a black gaza strip.
    and then you will be in front of the crowd yelling “look we gave them freedom and they are not successful time for more drastic options.”

  27. Fred’s plan can never work. Blacks want to be separate but are not capable of maintaining civilization without the white man’s money and work ethic. You could offer them $25,000 and a one way ticket back to Africa and they would not bite.

    The reason for the mass immigration of hispanics from Mexico and Central America is sinister to the African race but they do not yet know it. The elites are allowing this in order to drive out and control blacks to the greatest extent possible. Between white gentrification and vast hordes of hispanics migrating to the good ole USA, the African doesn’t stand a chance.

  28. Svigor says:

    Rape also skews heavily in favor of white men raping Asian women as opposed to Asian men raping white women.

    So if you are going to state statistics, let’s see the whole picture eh?

    Fine by me, asshole. Let’s keep the yellows out of our country and solve that problem, too.

    • Replies: @Truth
  29. Svigor says:

    If you think that we’ve got problems now, just imagine trying to reinstitute the southern system of segregation or South African apartheid.

    What we have now is more similar to Segregation than not: the gov’t meddling in people’s lives and ordering them around, and justifying sucking ever more blood from the host, just like with Segregation. “Trying to reinstitute the southern system” is a stupid way to characterize paring down gov’t, cutting back its power, and removing it from a big chunk of our lives.

    separation?
    you plan on creating a “sovereign black country” within the bounds of the united states?

    No, please, anything but the brier patch.

  30. Svigor says:

    Develop neighborhood.
    Sell homes under covenant that says “you can only sell your home to [insert desired resident demographic here].”
    Profit.

    Start business.
    Put sign outside that says “[desired customer demographic here]”
    Profit.
    Develop neighborhood.
    Sell homes under covenant that says “you can only sell your home to [insert desired resident demographic here].”
    Profit.

    Start business.
    Put sign outside that says “[desired customer demographic here]”
    Profit.

    Etc. It’s not brain surgery. I’m amazed at how clueless some people can be about the fact that it’s an enormous gov’t bureaucracy, largely funded by whites, that prevents any of this (unacceptable diversity) from being feasible.

    There’s a ton of money to be made from all of this, but TPTB are opposed. I suppose they do have a point that there’s more money to be made (for them) by continual “churn,” blockbusting, etc.
    Etc. It’s not brain surgery. I’m amazed at how clueless some people can be about the fact that it’s an enormous gov’t bureaucracy, largely funded by whites, that prevents any of this (unacceptable diversity) from being feasible.

    There’s a ton of money to be made from all of this, but TPTB are opposed.

  31. Svigor says:

    Wild guess: Ron’s fiddling with the site code again.

  32. David says:
    @Fran Macadam

    I agree. It’s part of the cold war build up. The Distant Early Warning (DEW) line is a string of radar stations built in the early 1950’s intended to detect ICBM’s coming over the north pole from Russia. The system did once detect a flock of birds. The event put in motion one of the half dozen near death experiences humanity has arranged for itself. Today, they track Santa: http://www.noradsanta.org/

    And to be fair, due to the cost of flying heavy junk out, the dump did have some really great stuff.

    • Replies: @D. K.
  33. D. K. says:
    @David

    My father was an electrician on the DEW Line, in Alaska, from November 1958 until February 1960. He came home for a visit, in mid-1959, and my earliest dateable and verifiable memory, at age two, is from Saturday, July 4, 1959, when he left home, again, taking a Yellow Cab (or its equivalent) to the airport, to return to Alaska, via Seattle. The threat of a Soviet nuclear attack, back then, was hardly some fevered pipe dream.

  34. D. K. says:
    @Bill P

    The long-time King County Prosecutor was a law-school classmate of mine, as was his wife. In fact, she was the first woman whom I dated, after arriving in Seattle, during the first two months of school. Our 30th anniversary of law-school graduation is coming up, inside of three months, now. Sigh….

    • Replies: @Bill P
  35. Bill P says:
    @D. K.

    Norm Maleng was your classmate, I presume. Wow, that’s pretty old-school King County. My dad dated one of the superior court judges back in those days, right about the time he co-founded Il Bistro in Pike Place with Peter Lamb.

    You wouldn’t believe how much things have changed in Seattle. Or maybe you already know. I’m not impressed with the changes, but I accept that this is just what happens in cities. My folks just retired and moved back to Seattle after a long stint in SF, so I finally left the city as there’s no compelling reason for me to hold down the fort there any longer (the kids can stay with grandma and grandpa to get to know it), and it’s not really feasible for those of us with several kids who aren’t in the top decile of income because the public schools are lousy and the housing is out of reach.

    I’m glad you still have fond memories of your time there. I always feel some kinship with people who have some nostalgia for the place as it used to be, as I was nursed on the history of that city. I see the curent crop of newcomers and how little they know and care about all the people who came before and it’s a bittersweet, lamentable feeling.

    Thanks for caring about old Seattle. I appreciate that a great deal.

    • Replies: @Ivy
    , @D. K.
  36. Ivy says:
    @Bill P

    Hard to beat Seattle on a sunny day, especially from the water looking eastward at the mountains from Rainier to Baker. Then enjoy the incredible seafood, as that really has improved over the years.

    If you’re lucky, summer falls on a weekend.

    • Replies: @D. K.
    , @Bill P
  37. rod1963 says:
    @Bill P

    Yep, the Red Chinese are buying up homes in white Orange County like they are going out of style. Some how they don’t mind those horrible whites Gene Su mentions. Oddly enough you don’t see them buying in areas where a majority of Blacks live like Detroit or Oakland. They know better.

    The thing about blacks you don’t need to be in the inner city to experience the worst of them. Thanks to advances of Section 8 Housing, white neighborhoods all over the country get to have the inner city black experience next door, at their children’s school and whilst shopping. It’s a wonderful way being exposed to a utterly alien and violent demographic.

    And those so-called middle-class blacks? Guess what, a lot of them are government workers hired by virtue of their skin color, not their brains or work ethic – many often lack both. So one could honestly point out that the white collar, black middle-class is a government AA program. Cut out the quota system and there wouldn’t be a black middle-class anywhere near the size of what we have now.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  38. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Bill P.

    There are plenty of white hookers who are in predominately black neighborhoods.

    Sure there are white hookers who will not serve black clients just like there are Asian hookers who will not serve white clients.

    But the hooker population will not be representative of the civilian population. 🙂

    Svigor.

    Nice! So your plan is to keep raping and harassing the women of the races you do not want in America?

    How will you react when black men have the same idea with your white women? Or when Mexicans decide they want the US back for themselves and they try to rape your wife.

    Try thinking things through before you post!

  39. Truth says:
    @Svigor

    “Fine by me, asshole.”

    LOL, Yo Sviggey, don’t shoot the messenger!

  40. D. K. says:
    @Bill P

    No, Bill, I am not THAT old! I was referring to Mr. Maleng’s long-time chief-of-staff, Dan Satterberg, who has been the King County Prosecutor for almost eight years, now; he took over after Norm Maleng died of a heart attack, in May 2007. (I remember when Norm’s young daughter was killed, sliding down the Counterbalance, on Queen Anne Hill, after a rare Seattle snowfall, twenty-some years ago; she slammed into a parked car.) I lived in Wedgwood, from 1982 through 1985, while in law school, and then on Queen Anne Hill, from 1985 through 1991, before moving back to Wedgwood, until I left Seattle, twenty years ago this coming June. I have never been closer than, say, Hearst Castle, in San Simeon, since then; but, that is just how life played out, not because of any animus that I have for the place. All in all, despite 8-9 months of wet-and-depressing weather, per year, I rank it as the best place that I have ever lived– although, hard as it might be for most people to believe, the Gary of my young childhood was a wonderful place to grow up! (It all went to hell there in just a very few years, in the mid-1960s.)

    • Replies: @unit472
  41. D. K. says:
    @Ivy

    Summers in Seattle were generally the best that I ever have experienced: mostly sunny, remarkably dry, generally warm, but rarely too hot or too humid– and with gorgeous scenery to both the east and the west!

  42. Bill P says:
    @Ivy

    Yeah, those lakefront views are great. If you go to Seward Park on a nice day the view of Rainier from the south side of the park is otherworldly. Sometimes it seems to be floating in midair and shining like some god. But it’s just as nice to see the sun set over the Olympics from the west side of the city.

    Where I live today, Mt. Baker is essentially in my backyard, so I still have quite a view. But I do miss living near Lake Washington.

    You think the seafood has improved? Hard to say. I think we have more variety from Alaska these days, but I remember eating freshly caught sockeye and king salmon as a kid, and it doesn’t seem that there’s as much of the locally caught stuff available. Fortunately, still plenty of dungeness crab. I do have to admit, however, that when you’re raised on salmon it gets old after a while. I still like it, but given a choice I’ll take halibut.

  43. Dave37 says:

    A separate place for blacks in the US governed and enforced by blacks? I can’t see them settling down; within a generation it would be like a little army of hate and vengence. I hear there are some nice places in South America though, maybe I’ll go there because it’ll never happen here.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  44. MarkinLA says:
    @Dave37

    I think Argentina and Uruguay are both whiter than the US. I was in Argentina on a tour, it was great. Uruguay has laws that make it easy for foreigners to buy property and gain residence.

  45. Gene Su says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    I always thought that if push came to shove, blacks would go ballistic. Now I hear that they are being run out of California by Hispanics with no resistance. Is that because the gang wars between blacks have tired them out?

    Finally, even though I see a lot of black nationalistic activism in New York, I never see any real serious talk by blacks to establish a seperate principality. It doesn’t mean they have to go back to Africa. Jack Kerwick notes that they could have their own country in North America but don’t seem to want it.

    • Replies: @anon
  46. Bob says:

    Worldwide, the only thing separating any negro anywhere from the typical Zimbabwe, Liberia, Haitian ad nauseum experience is their white racist oppressor.

    They are never leaving voluntarily. Pay them and they’ll be back with their hands out.

    It is unthinkable to stop paying them to come …

  47. Sean says:

    I agree with what Fred has written. The negroes will never leave. No matter how far away from the cities we move, they will follow. I have two houses on my street that are section eight. I can’t begin to convey how awful the black family is. They simply don’t belong in this neighborhood. A single ghetto hardened mother who is already a grandmother in her late 30’s. The other house is empty at the moment. The previous tenants (blacks) completely ruined the house to the point of practicality needing a full remodel. All of the doors had been punched out. The house required all new flooring. The tenants left trash all over the house. I am hoping the Asian owner of the house reconsiders continuing with section eight. But it serves him right that his house was ruined. He must have spent 10-15 thousand just to get the house back together.
    However, a bigger threat, in my opinion, is the Mexican invasion. They are displacing blacks in many urban areas, and will end up taking all of the low end jobs as they already have in the construction and food industry. The financial drain on the government must be staggering. I drive past a welfare office in the morning and the line is out of the door – everday, the overwhelming majority of them being of Mexican heritage.

  48. @Gene Su

    “Indeed, in many American suburban public schools, you might even find more blacks who are more intelligent and ambitious than the white counter-parts.”

    Name one. I challenge you to find ONE public school anywhere in America where the blacks collectively outperform the whites. I mean real whites, not mestizos being called “whites” like in the Texas Top 10 Most Wanted list.

  49. as usual, the Dissident Right misses the major point about what is happening with respect to black attacks on whites: blacks attack whites because they are being told to do so.

    I will repeat that: blacks are being told to attack whites.

    Black race-based attacks are tacitly approved of by the top of society.

    How so?

    The TV talking heads, the newspapers, the government, Hollywood, all these powerful institutions, and the rich and powerful people who head them up have been tacitly telling blacks that it is OK to attack whites if whites show the least bit of provocation or if blacks feel the least bit oppressed.

    This is an unspoken approval. It is not explicit.

    How does this happen?

    Well, these major institutions treat blacks with kid gloves. They cater to them. Any sign of black resentment or anger is treated with the solicitousness and even put on a pedestal. Black anger is sanctified by the media and hollywood and government and academia. Black anger is Holy.

    The media/academia/govt/hollywood caters to black feelings. Blacks and black culture have been conditioned to seek offense. Because the more blacks seek offense, the more aggressively they seek out racism and react against it, the more media/academia/govt/hollywood puts them on a pedestal, the more affirmative action they will get, the more white glove treatment they will get.

    Why does this happen?

    Yes, I see all your points about IQ and violence here from the Dissident Right. Yes, good points, all. But you are missing the most important point of all: blacks and white liberals are not the only variables in this equation. The top of society is telling blacks to be angry and to seek out offense.

    This is a process that is taking place. This process is similar to how animals evolve. For example, if there were to occur an ice age over the next few decades, what would happen to animals in the lower 48 states? Specifically, the red fox that lives here. Would its fur turn white like the arctic fox? Yes. Why? Because white fox fur would be naturally selected for the environment.

    Same thing has happened with black-offense-seeking. Black culture has been conditioned to seek offense and to become angry. The more offense they find and the angrier they become, the more they are rewarded by the rich and powerful institutions that control america. So now we have a black american culture that is an offense-seeking organism.

    But why do the rich and powerful people and institutions that run america reward black offense-seeking and black anger?

    Because doing so best serves their interests.

    Just as people generally take actions that serve their best interests, so too do the rich and powerful people who run american institutions also take actions that serve their best interests.

    How does catering to blacks so that they become grievance machines that strike out in anger help serve the interests of powerful people and institutions that control america?

    Corporations are the most powerful influence on government, academia, hollywood and the media. Corporations seek profit. That is their prime directive.

    One way that corporations increase profits is by depressing wage growth. Wage growth is depressed when labor supply increases faster than the demand for labor, in general. Corporations have discovered that they can get the government to increase immigration (and not deport as many illegals) if white americans have more white guilt and are more wary of being seen as racist.

    White race guilt is increased by black anger. The blacks are a propaganda weapon serving the corporations. By encouraging blacks to seek offense and strike back against whites, whites are being put on the defense about racism. That makes whites less likely to support anti-immigration policies. Thus, black racial attacks on whites have the effect of increasing the population of america, depressing wages through growth of the labor supply.

    Also, this increase in population through immigration increases revenues of corporations in general because more consumers mean more sales in america and that means more profits.

    There are of course other factors, but enough for today.

    • Replies: @Hacienda
    , @Truth
    , @Seek
  50. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factor"] says:

    Negroes suck, by golly.

  51. rastignac says:

    Nobody is denying that it’s “the hatred of blacks for whites.” When we say, for instance, “that discrimination caused it” or when we refer to “white privilege, racism, institutional racism, slavery, colonialism, bigots, Southerners, rednecks,” etc., we’re aiming at the same thing: the hatred of blacks for whites. Namely, the hatred of American blacks for American whites. Only where the blacks have been subjugated, enslaved, do the blacks hate whites. It has nothing to do with what Homer wrote and where. The exceptional America’s race problem derives from the slavery, the mother of all crimes against humanity. Fred the Cranky White Man’s scientific-mathematical-statistical-quantitative racism is so comical when it’s unable to cope with a self-evident historical condition! At least in this here context, Fred, you shouldn’t flatter yourself by labeling yourself a curmudgeon (one of whose essential attributes is wit, not the lack thereof). You’re just a run-of-the-mill garden variety street racist.

    • Replies: @IA
    , @anonymous
    , @Stan D Mute
  52. Wally [AKA "BobbyBeGood"] says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    I challenge you to show us the comparative statistics.

    And that ends that discussion.

    • Replies: @Andrew E. Mathis
  53. “Whites come from a literate European tradition dating at least from the Iliad in 800 BC, a tradition characterized by literature, mathematics, architecture, philosophy, and the sciences.”

    C’mon, Fred! I have little to argue with your main premise but I’m choking on that one. Flip through the average American’s daily diet of TV and try to discern any trace of such cultural heritage! Take a gander at Whitie’s favorite newspapers – or how about the kind of music he/she prefers? (95% of it with a strong African influence by the way).

    Though the White Man may have ‘come from’ that tradition he has been busily erasing any recollection of it over the past 100 years, alas. We now live in an era where it is decidedly uncool to be intelligent. Media manipulation with intent? Yes, I think so.

    • Replies: @Truth
  54. Hacienda says:
    @leftist conservative

    You give American elites too much credit. They don’t empower blacks, they don’t
    have the ability. The black behavior is not by any definition reasonable or to
    be reasoned with. It doesn’t seek permission or approval. Least of all from white
    people of any variety. It takes effort to control black criminality, disfunction. One which whites
    no longer have simply from demographic loss. The numbers no longer add up for white
    people. White elites have nothing to do with. White elites are cyphers.

    • Replies: @Stan D Mute
  55. Renoman says:
    @MarkinLA

    There was never any doubt in my mind about who’s paying the taxes but is it not worth the money to calm things down?

  56. Truth says:
    @leftist conservative

    By golly, you’re on the right track. Not quite there yet, but certainly ahead of anyone else here.

  57. Truth says:
    @AUGUSTUS FINKIN

    Wow, you’re doing well also.

    Don’t believe I’ve ever read two sensible posts back-to-back here.

  58. unit472 says:
    @D. K.

    Seattle has a lot of derelicts though. Last time I was there ( couple of years ago) I decided to walk from my Belltown hotel room to the Amtrak station. It was further than I thought so I wanted to put my luggage down and rest but upon reaching Pioneer Square that morning I found every single bench in that small downtown park had a recumbent derelict occupying it!

    I agree voluntary separation would be good for everyone but blacks. Blacks left on their own create Haiti so even if the rest of America agreed to maintain the massive tax transfers blacks currently receive the funds would either be stolen or flow back out of the black community as blacks simply are unable to provide their own services.

    • Replies: @D. K.
    , @Anonymous
  59. @Rich

    The problem was that white liberals were “offended” by the attitudes of Southern whites. Ever since the end of WWII, these white liberals have been more intent on humiliating white Southerners than on actually helping blacks. I really don’t think white liberals care that much about blacks.

    • Replies: @leftist conservative
  60. @Epaminondas

    you should read the book THE FORGOTTEN CAUSE OF THE CIVIL WAR by Dr. Tenzer.

    Tenzer’s thesis is that a major cause of the civil war was the fact that slaveowners were breeding with slaves and producing many slaves that were almost white. In fact there were a lot more “high yella” blacks in america before the civil war than there are now.

    One revenue source for white slaveowners was impreganting female black slaves and selling the high-yella female children to the brothels in new orleans. These so-called “fancy kates” fetched over 2000 dollars at auction.

    Also, many slaveowners were trying to re-legalize white slavery.

    The abolitionists seized on these facts and spread the word into the north, thus enraging the white northerners. And also putting the fear of their own impending slavery into them.

    A well known poem of the time went something like this:

    why it’s as clear as figgers
    clear as one and one makes two
    fella that’ll make a slave of n*ggers
    will make a slave outta you!

    ==

    Actually, I believe that was war a popular tavern song from pre-civil war in the North and it was then incorporated into a poem

  61. D. K. says:
    @unit472

    I did a lot of walking in Seattle– and even more, after I left, thanks to sunnier climes– so, treks of that distance were nothing special to me; but, from Belltown to Union Station, while carrying luggage, rather than a mere backpack, is a whole other story! I would have jumped aboard a Metro bus; but, of course, I have no idea what ridiculous fare is being charged for that low privilege, these days!?!

  62. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @rod1963

    As a 30 year veteran of the federal government, I can verify that government employment of blacks is nothing but a middle class welfare program. And the promotion of illiterate blacks into management jobs where they make 100k+ is pervasive. No government agency “works” anymore.

  63. @Wally

    It actually doesn’t take any type of genius to figure out that what he’s saying is true. There are far more whites than Asians in the U.S. (72% vs. 5%). Therefore, whites commits more rapes.

    How many Asians rape white women? Assuming that 2% of all perpetrators are neither white nor black, even if we assumed that every single person within that 2% were Asian (and that’s not a fair assumption, but for the sake of argument, let’s stick with this for now), and knowing that there about 100,000 rapes per year, then we can say that Asians are responsible for 2,000 rapes. Assuming that about two-thirds of rape victims are white, that makes around 1,300 rapes of white women by Asians per year. Again, that number is way too high, because it assumes that the whole 2% of non-black and non-white offenders are Asian, but we know they aren’t. So that number is actually less than 1,300

    How many whites rape Asian women? Again, starting with 100,000 rapes per year, 5.7% involve a non-white and non-black victim, so that’s 5,700 rapes. If 48.1% of rapists are white, then that’s more than 2,700 rapes of Asian women by white men per year, or roughly twice as many as our already inflated number of 1,300 rapes by Asians of white women.

    Here’s your statistics: http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/SOO.PDF

    You’re welcome.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  64. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @j

    Your stats are seriously off. It’s not 1960 anymore.

    Africans are 13% and Whites only 65%. Hispanics are the new players in town at 16%…officially. And by mid century Whites will fall below 50%.

    People, White people, are manifestly more stupid than our ancestors. Despite constant waves of evidence, we still cling to the utterly superstitious belief that all groups are equal.

  65. Marissa says:

    How many whites rape Asian women? Again, starting with 100,000 rapes per year, 5.7% involve a non-white and non-black victim, so that’s 5,700 rapes. If 48.1% of rapists are white, then that’s more than 2,700 rapes of Asian women by white men per year, or roughly twice as many as our already inflated number of 1,300 rapes by Asians of white women.

    I clicked on the link – they didn’t separate Hispanics from whites. That data is useless.

  66. IA says:
    @rastignac

    You ought to see the blacks in France. Never slaves there but act exactly the same as USA blacks.

  67. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    If there are 2,700 rapes of Asian women by white men each year and 1,300 rapes of white women by Asian men, and whites are 72% of the population and Asians 5%, that means Asian men are over 7 times as likely to rape white women as white men are to rape Asian women.

    • Replies: @Andrew E. Mathis
  68. @Anonymous

    That’s one way of interpreting the data, sure. Another way of interpreting the data is that, since whites make up such a large proportion of the population, it’s just far more likely that any person being raped at any particular time is more likely to be white. Numbers are funny this way. Imagine a country that was entirely white with the exception of one non-white person. Now imagine that this person was a rapist. That would make this non-white person’s race, in this country, about a zillion times more likely to be rapists of white people, right? When you deal with numbers at the extremes of ranges, you have a greater tendency for your conclusions to be off. Whites are 2/3 of the country’s population; as such, comparisons with other races are going to get more skewed as the size of the minority decreases.

    Or here’s another way of looking at it: Some 48.1% of rapists are white, but whites are 63.7% of the population, so they commit rapes at a lower representation than their general representation in the population — about 25% less. Given my data above and assuming all non-white/non-black rapists to be Asian, 2% of all rapists are Asian, and they are 4.8% of the population, which means they rape at a considerably lower rate — almost 60% less. Whites, therefore, are FAR more likely to be rapists than Asians in the U.S.

    Or another: 48.1% of all rapists are white vs. 2% that are Asian. Ergo, whites are 24 times more likely to be rapists.

    If it’s true, as you point out, that Asians rape whites at a higher rate than whites rape Asians (although again, in absolute numbers, whites rape twice as many Asians as vice versa), then consider: The vast majority of cases of rape (88%) involve the victim and perpetrator being the same race, in part because most rapes aren’t committed by strangers, and most races live among themselves. However, middle class and upper middle class Asians tend to more often live among whites. That means that Asians are more likely to rape whites than vice versa strictly as a matter of opportunity (bearing in mind, however, that like all races, Asians rape other Asians the most often).

    I guess what determines one’s interpretation is the extent to which one is concerned with race at all. I personally couldn’t care less about race. It’s meaningless.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @D. K.
  69. Marissa says:

    Some 48.1% of rapists are white, but whites are 63.7%

    Your first number includes both whites and Hispanics while your second number is just whites.

    • Replies: @D. K.
  70. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    I accept your surrender.

    • Replies: @Wally
  71. D. K. says:
    @Marissa

    As our amigos of the Great Bronze Race are wont to say to us hate-filled gringos: “Mi violador es su violador!”

  72. D. K. says:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    Race is so meaningless that by choosing fewer than one thousand of your roughly three billion DNA base pairs, at random, your genome can be blindly assigned to its generally accepted continental-scale race with virtually 100% accuracy. You might not be interested in race, but race is very interested in you, at the most fundamental level of human existence.

    • Replies: @Andrew E. Mathis
  73. @D. K.

    Not really. That such a small number of genes determines “race” indicates just what a minuscule a difference among races there is.

    • Replies: @D. K.
  74. D. K. says:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    You simply failed to follow the argument: I said fewer than one thousand base pairs CHOSEN AT RANDOM! That means that tell-tale racial differences in alleles are diffused so thoroughly throughout the human genome that chosing a RANDOM SAMPLE that comprises only ONE THREE-MILLIONTHS of the human genome is able to distinguish between all of the major continental races with virtually 100% accuracy. Regardless, the salient issue is not how many genetic differences there are between the discernible races; it is what the result of those differences are.

    • Replies: @Andrew E. Mathis
  75. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @rastignac

    And yada yada ho-hum. You’re just a run-of the-mill dullard repeating the same old formula over and over again. Everybody here has already gotten way ahead your gibberish. Try Twitter.

  76. @D. K.

    You’re right. I read your post carelessly.

    Tell me: How many genes are potentially controlled by “fewer than a thousand” base pairs? Because your point seems more impressive if a small number of base pairs affected an even smaller number of genes…

    • Replies: @D. K.
  77. pinto says:
    @Anonymous

    Rape also skews heavily in favor of white men raping Asian women as opposed to Asian men raping white women.

    So if you are going to state statistics, let’s see the whole picture eh?

    Yeah, the whole picture would include Asians staying in Asia, you know, where it is safer. You be sure to warn them not to come.

  78. pinto says:
    @j

    Sure. There must be very good reasons that people act today as they do. I cant see them but the reasons must be there. People today are not more stupid than yesterday.

    Or maybe they were adapted to different conditions.

    You know, that selection thingy.

    Elites dragged Europeans to their deaths in WW1 and WW2 and now they they are sending them headlong into multiculti hell.

    We have seen South Africa. This doesn’t end well. There is still Canada and even some South American countries that are pretty white. The addition of millions of white Americans (and their money) will only make them whiter.

  79. jenny says:

    These so-called “fancy kates” fetched over 2000 dollars at auction.

    Is that number right? I am just doing some simple figuring that 1 oz of gold was 20 dollars, so that would be 100 oz of gold, so in today’s money like over $100k – $$150k. Is that right?

  80. @jenny

    until the creation of the federal reserve, there was little inflation.

    The average cost of a slave was 200-800 dollars.

    A fancy kate could get 2400.

  81. unit472 says:
    @jenny

    Yes, that is correct. In fact, if you want a fascinating look at the subject you can get Frederic Bancroft’s 1931 book “Slave Trading in the Old South” which was the last study of the practice that had first hand accounts from slave dealers, slaves and masters. Bancroft , as I recall, labeled them ‘Fancy Girls’ and they sold for as much as $3000 as opposed to the more common “Likely Girl” who might only fetch $300. A sturdy field hand could bring $800 or more. If that seems high you have to remember you owned them for their entire life so an 18 year old might offer two or three decades of labor so dividing the cash price by the years of service is a more realistic look at the price. Of course, the owner also owned the children but the children were a liability for years as were the elderly.

    Another fascinating aspect more common to the mid Atlantic states was ‘slave rental’ and not just for labor. On many farms and plantations slaves had become skilled workers. Coopers, masons, carpenters and the like. In many cases these skilled workers were like independent contractors for the plantation owner and would be sent, unescorted, to neighboring towns to work for wages which were split between master and slave. They came back too for the plantation was their home. They made enough that they could eventually buy their freedom but even then they stayed.

  82. D. K. says:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    Although many complex traits, such as intelligence, are controlled by a large, and still largely unknown, number of genes, some important human traits are differentiated by the mutation of a single base pair, on a single gene. Such mutations may confer some beneficial trait, and thus spread quickly throughout a particular breeding population, or might prove deadly, and die out quickly. In many cases, however, a mutation will cause both beneficial and malignant, and possibly even deadly, effects, which keeps the mutation limited, but does not remove it from the breeding pool.

    It is not a mere happenstance that the demographic group with the highest average intelligence– Ashkenazi Jews– also suffers from a series of brain ailments that are often deadly. Evolutionary benefits are rarely an outright gift; the gods usually demand a trade-off, like that exacted from European Jews. There are many such trade-offs– like protection from malaria, for those with one cycle-cell gene, versus death at a young age, for those with a pair– and they vary widely by race and ethnicity, because people in different environments had different challenges and constraints shaping their respective gene pools.

  83. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @unit472

    unit472
    says:
    “Blacks left on their own create Haiti ”

    what unit472 meant to say:
    “i know nothing about the history of haiti, but let me lecture you about it anyway”

    • Replies: @unit472
    , @Jim
    , @Bliss
  84. unit472 says:
    @Anonymous

    I don’t need to know every quadroon or pan fried blonde that climbed to the top of this human dung pile or how often the US had to send troops there to restore some sort of order. The fact is this ‘nation’ , and that term is used loosely, declared its independence just 15 years after the US and in the time since then has followed a path strait back to the stone age. At one time its leading export was human blood but that source of revenue dried up when Haiti became a center for the transmission of AIDs in the Western Hemisphere. Now it leads the Western hemisphere in outbreaks of cholera and typhus!

  85. Wally [AKA "BobbyBeGood"] says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    Andrew E. Mathis certainly did surrender … after stepping on his own landmine.

    • Replies: @Andrew E. Mathis
  86. @Wally

    Really? Did I surrender before or after you abandoned every thread I contributed to?

  87. Jim says:
    @Anonymous

    The culture of Haiti is remarkable for its truly extraordinary level of pathology.

  88. palladino says:

    OT: Strange when I change pages to this site directly from gee mail and go back I am automatically logged out of my email account. That has never happened before with any site. Wazzup?

  89. One wonders why our all-wise masters do not insist on multiculturalism with pets. Dogs and cats, for instance, are members of the same race – the Pet Race. And in my home they’re marvelous friends. They sleep in the same bed, drink from the same bowls, and eat the same food when allowed. Isn’t the whole “cat” vs “dog” thing a social construct? Why are dogs so vastly over-represented in TV and movies? We need affirmative catction to redress the centuries of dog dominance. Look at the massive disparity in education! And the common trope that cats are ineducable? Perhaps if we spent as much on educating cats as we do educating dogs, we would see our cats are just as capable and smart as our barking friends. It is obvious that what we need is massive government takeover of pet housing, education, and employment to equal the playing field for cats. Only then will we see an end to the petist violence against long suffering felines.

    • Replies: @abj_slant
  90. @rastignac

    Only where the blacks have been subjugated, enslaved, do the blacks hate whites.

    Just where, exactly, have negroes never been enslaved (excluding of course those places where they had not been introduced prior to whites’ ending of slavery globally in the 19th Century)? Or, for that matter, perhaps you could name for us a group that has never been enslaved?

    Why is it that every other human population has been enslaved, then freed (typically by overthrowing their masters), sometimes repeatedly, then gone on to success? Why are negroes unique in being unable to free themselves? Why are negroes unique in being unable to succeed anywhere with or without a history of enslavement?

    Or is it that it’s simply unfair to apply white Western measures of “success” to the negro? By negro native African standards, success may be in eating one’s enemy and impregnating half the village so that two or three offspring may survive and repeat the “success.” A negro in Africa has succeeded if the village women provide him food outside those rare occasions when he manages to find a dead animal in the jungle and claim he killed it. Perhaps we ought to judge American negeoes by the standards of General Butt-Naked and his army (or any of the millions like them) rather than by white Western standards that have no genetic or historical relationship to him at all?

  91. @Hacienda

    You give American elites too much credit. They don’t empower blacks, they don’t
    have the ability.

    Who then is using white invented and built technologies to propagate the negro culture? How is negro “music” disseminated? Fashion? Negroes were naked or wore leaves when whites found them, somebody had to teach them about clothing and then promote their twisted versions of attire to others. Repeat this for every aspect of their “culture.” I think too often it is forgotten the state of nature in which white Europeans found the African.

  92. Seek says:
    @leftist conservative

    Nonsense. Blacks act on instinct, not on orders from above.

  93. Bliss says:

    Whites come from a literate European tradition dating at least from the Iliad in 800 BC, a tradition characterized by literature, mathematics, architecture, philosophy, and the sciences. Africa, having a very different social traditions, was barely touched by this, and today blacks still show little interest.

    Stubborn ignoramus. Blacks were building civilizations thousands of years before that:

    Btw, if you are such a believer in racial segregation what the heck are you doing in Mexico shacking up with a tri-racial mestiza? Or hanging out in sleazy Bangkok bars filled with underage non-white girls? Shouldn’t you confine yourself to Ukraine or Appalachia or some such pure white place? Hilarious hypocrisy…

    • Replies: @Stan D Mute
  94. Bliss says:
    @Anonymous

    what unit472 meant to say:
    “i know nothing about the history of haiti, but let me lecture you about it anyway”

    If that ignorant racist hater knew history he would know how much America owes the Haitians. Without the Haitian victory over France (at the peak of its power), Napoleon would not have abandoned his ambitions in North America and the Louisiana Purchase would not have happened.

    He would also know that Haiti was forced by France to pay very heavy reparations for many generations (until the mid-20th century) as compensation for the loss of land owned by french slavers. That huge financial burden was a major reason for Haiti’s poverty.

    • Replies: @D. K.
  95. D. K. says:
    @Bliss

    How does a defeated power force its recent conqueror, across a well-known ocean, to pay it reparations?

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @Bliss
  96. Truth says:
    @D. K.

    Germany, Japan, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq…

    • Replies: @D. K.
  97. D. K. says:
    @Truth

    What about them? Are you suggesting that the United States, after defeating Germany and Japan, was forced by their American-installed governments to pay them reparations? What about Korea? The Korean Conflict (or, international police action, if you prefer) ended in a draw and an armistace. Vietnam? We sort of left before the South fell to the North, but we sure as hell did not win that one– and, the reunited Vietnam sure as hell has never paid us any reparations for our losing efforts! Iraq? We surely have poured a national fortune (albeit in funds borrowed from China) into that sad sinkhole, courtesy of neocon delusions of democratic grandeur, but it certainly was not in the form of reparations to the government that we had conquered, nor even to those Iraqi citizens whose settled lives we had destroyed.

    Regardless, how did Napoleon Bonaparte, after his own troops and colonists had been brutally extirpated from Haiti, supposedly force the Black victors of that newly independent island-nation to pay reparations to France, or its citizens who had lost business investments there? Did he sue them in the World Court? Did he file a lien against them, somewhere? Did he freeze their French bank accounts? What kept Haiti from telling the twerp: “Vaffanculo!”?!?

    • Replies: @Stan D Mute
    , @Truth
  98. @Bliss

    Stubborn ignoramus. Blacks were building civilizations thousands of years before that:

    It is ironic that negroes fail to comprehend how claiming ancient Egypt as a negro civilization and point of pride diminishes their argument for equality. To claim that your crowning intellectual achievement occurred five thousand years ago and you haven’t done anything remotely as impressive since is I think much worse than claiming you just haven’t quite hit your stride yet. On the one hand, you claim your best was five hundred of your generations ago and it’s been downhill ever since – this leaves zero hope for you as you race backwards in devolution. On the other hand, you just stick with the standard historical model and let everyone hope that someday against all current and historical evidence you might progress forward evolutionarily. Most people are suckers for hope and it seems much less likely for negroes to be returned to Africa and the continent quarantined with the latter scenario.

  99. @D. K.

    You aren’t really expecting intelligent application of logic in discussion of afrocentrist fantasy are you? Logic and the negro brain are not compatible. You won’t find many Congolese or Liberian software companies. There is good reason why our most meritocratic industry, tech, is our least “diverse” despite heroic efforts and expense in finding and training those negroes capable of functioning at that level.

    I will say they show some gift for humor however. The story that Haiti defeated the French Empire and saved America is worthy of The Onion.

    • Replies: @Truth
  100. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @MarkinLA

    Millions of attacks like that over the last 50 years, millions. I’ve seen thousands myself. It’s how all the white cities were cleansed – not mob ethnic cleansing with machetes but millions upon millions of small attacks like that on white children forcing everyone who could afford to move away to move away.

    Millions.

    And every single one covered up by the media.

  101. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Gene Su

    Now I hear that they are being run out of California by Hispanics with no resistance. Is that because the gang wars between blacks have tired them out?

    Mass immigration is predominantly young and male so in the key demographic for gang violence the intrusive population has the advantage of numbers.

    Also TPTB are ignoring the violence because they want the black population pushed out.

  102. Bliss says:
    @D. K.

    How does a defeated power force its recent conqueror, across a well-known ocean, to pay it reparations?

    I suggest you racist ignoramuses spend a few minutes googling before posting. ….to avoid looking foolish:

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/haiti-independence-debt-reparations-for-slavery-and-colonialism-and-international-aid/5334619

    Haiti’s current economic crisis and political turmoil have their roots in the “odious debt” of 150 million gold francs (later reduced to 90 million) which France imposed on the newborn republic with gunboats in 1825.

    The sum was supposed to compensate French planters for their losses of slaves and property during Haiti’s 1791-1804 revolution, which gave birth to the world’s first slavery-free, and hence truly free, republic. It is the only case in world history where the victor of a major war paid the loser reparations.

    This extortion, perhaps more than any other 19th century agreement, laid bare the hypocrisy of France’s1789 Declaration of the Rights of Man, modeled on the 1776 American Declaration of Independence, which proclaimed: “Men are born free and remain free and equal in rights.” The U.S., which assumed the debt in 1922, proved itself equally insincere in respecting this fundamental democratic principle for which it claims paternity.

    It took Haiti 122 years, until 1947, to pay off both the original ransom to France and the tens of millions more in interest payments borrowed from French banks to meet the deadlines.

    ——–

    Haiti won its independence from France in 1804, through a bloody 12-year war, becoming the second independent country in the Americas and the only nation in history born of a successful slave revolt. But world powers forced Haiti to pay a second price for entrance into the international community. They refused to recognize Haiti’s independence, while French warships remained off its coasts, threatening to invade

    Haiti capitulated to France‘s terms: in exchange for diplomatic recognition, Haiti’s government agreed to compensate French plantation owners for their loss of “property,” including the freed slaves; compensation to be paid with a loan from a designated French bank. The debt was ten times Haiti‘s total 1825 revenue and twice what the United States paid France in 1803 for the Louisiana Purchase, which contained seventy-four times more land.

    The debt was a crushing burden on Haiti’s economy. The government was forced to redirect all economic activity to repay it. A huge percentage of government revenues—80 percent in some years—went to debt service, at the expense of investment in education, healthcare and infrastructure. The tax code and other laws channeled private and public enterprise to export crops such as tropical hardwoods and sugar which brought in foreign currency for the bank but left the mountainsides barren, the soil depleted and the population hungry.

    Haiti did not pay off the independence debt until 1947. Over a century after the global slave trade was eliminated as the evil it was, Haitians were still paying their ancestors’ masters for their freedom. After the debt was paid, Haitians were left with a chronically undeveloped economy, rampant poverty, and a spent land — today relatively minor environmental stresses like tropical storms cause catastrophic damage in vulnerable Haiti.

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    , @D. K.
  103. Truth says:
    @D. K.

    D.K. your original comment;

    “How does a defeated power force its recent conqueror, across a well-known ocean, to pay it reparations?”

    Well, we’ve been paying reparations in Germany, Japan, Iraq and Korea for 40-70 years now.

    • Replies: @D. K.
  104. Truth says:
    @Stan D Mute

    Stan, you are a complete prick, and a cipher with little original or interesting to add, who communicates mainly in tired, anachronistic platitudes. With this in mind, let me be the first to say to you, in no uncertain terms…

    …Welcome to the board, Buddy! If there’s anything I can do to make your stay more plesant please let me know. I think you’ll feel right at home.

  105. Jim says:
    @Bliss

    Jason Molloy’s blog on Human Varieties has a post on Haitian IQ which stats it to be 68. I’m not sure whether this is based on an American norm of 100 or a British norm of 100.

  106. D. K. says:
    @Bliss

    A “racist” I might be; an ignoramus, I am not. If French gunboats off the coast of Haiti were a sufficient threat to get the “victorious” Black-Haitian revolutionaries to capitulate to French demands, then the Haitians never won their independence in the first place! The French could have retaken their colony at any time, else the Black Haitians would not have capitulated. They were de jure slaves when their revolt started, and they were de facto slaves when it ended. The fact that the French rulers considered it in their own best interest to let the inmates run their asylum, while paying dearly for that privilege, does not mean that it was not still an asylum; it just means that the asylum keeper was exponentially wiser than the inmates.

    • Replies: @Bliss
  107. D. K. says:
    @Truth

    Repeating your canard after it just has been thoroughly refuted, above, does not magically transmute it into an historical truth, Zippy. Save your voodoo incantations for your fetish-worshipping coreligionists.

  108. Bliss says:
    @D. K.

    A “racist” I might be; an ignoramus, I am not.

    You wrote two posts ridiculing the idea that the French forced the Haitians to pay reparations. Does that not make you an ignoramus? What’s worse is that you dont even have the class or the character to admit you were wrong. Which means you are not interested in the truth but in peddling a narrative by hook or by crook. It’s ridiculous how such intellectually dishonest people have the gall to call themselves race “realists”.

    The fact that the French rulers considered it in their own best interest to let the inmates run their asylum, while paying dearly for that privilege, does not mean that it was not still an asylum; it just means that the asylum keeper was exponentially wiser than the inmates.

    What a nasty combination of ignorance, stupidity and wickedness. In your twisted world it is “wise” to treat humans like that? I am guessing you drive around in your pick up truck with the Confederate flag fluttering on one side and the Nazi flag on the other. Right?

    And for your information, ignoramus, tens of thousands of frenchmen died fighting tooth and nail to keep the “asylum” under their control. Was it also “wise” of them to do that? You really come across as an ignorant, irrational simpleton.

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  109. Truth says:

    Nice use of the “desparate and meaningless ad hominem.” Kudos.

    • Replies: @D. K.
  110. D. K. says:
    @Bliss

    I still am ridiculing the idea that the French forced the Haitians to pay reparations. I was merely using your own claim to point out what it would have represented, if it had been the true state of affairs.

    The notion that the French, from 1804 to 1922, were positioned off of the Haitian coast, poised to invade and retake their former colony, if the Haitians defaulted on the payments that they themselves had agreed to make to the French, is an historical fantasy!

    If the French had had the spare military forces, in 1804, to project their power into Haiti, they never would have given up their colony to the locals, in the first place– anymore than they would have sold a chunk of America to the United States for a song. The French let Haiti and much of the future United States go because Napoleon could not spare the resources to hold on to such distant colonies, yet he did not want them to fall into the hands of the British Empire. If push came to shove, he would have given them away, just to keep them away from his European nemesis!

    Haiti is Haiti because it is run by Haitians, not because the White bogeyman has been using voodoo to keep the native Blacks down. The Dominicans realize that, which is why they do their damndest to keep the Haitians on their own side of the island. In another hundred years, or two, people like you still will be making excuses for why Haiti is an utter hellhole– which it will be!

    • Replies: @Bliss
  111. D. K. says:
    @Truth

    You might like to look up the term “ad hominem” in the dictionary, Zippy, to see what it actually means. While you are at it, try to look up “desparate” and see what you find…. Regardless, when a fool has his ignorant historical assertion thoroughly refuted, and then answers by simply repeating his ignorant assertion, the fool deserves all of the abuse that anyone cares to unload on him, whether ad hominem in nature or not!

    • Replies: @Truth
  112. Truth says:
    @D. K.

    You might like to look up the term “ad hominem” in the dictionary, Zippy, to see what it actually means.

    whether ad hominem in nature or not!

    So was it an ad hominem or not?

    • Replies: @D. K.
  113. D. K. says:
    @Truth

    You tell me which argument, earlier, you felt was an ad hominem argument, and I will tell you whether or not it was intended as such.

    • Replies: @Truth
  114. Truth says:
    @D. K.

    You’re right Bro, there were a few of them there. It’s all good.

    • Replies: @D. K.
  115. D. K. says:
    @Truth

    “So was it an ad hominem or not?” he had inquired, using the singular tense.

    List each claim separately, and in full, Zippy, and I will respond to each claim separately. As a former attorney, I do not respond seriously to claims that lack specificity (cf. Rep. Sandman, during the House impeachment hearings, in the summer of 1974).

  116. slimer says:

    This dude’s articles are all the same. He could spare us the thousand-word essays and simply write, “I’m afraid of black men”. That’s the extent of his commentary, in a nutshell.

  117. Bliss says:
    @D. K.

    I still am ridiculing the idea that the French forced the Haitians to pay reparations

    You are worse than an ignoramus then. For the ignorant can be educated. You are some kind of hopeless, pathological case.

    http://millionsforreparations.org/haitireparations.html

    Finally in 1825, France, which was being encouraged by former plantation owners to invade Haiti and re-enslave the Blacks, issued the Royal Ordinance of 1825, which called for the massive indemnity payments. In addition to the 150 million franc payment, France decreed that French ships and commercial goods entering and leaving Haiti would be discounted at 50 percent, thereby further weakening Haiti’s ability to pay.

    According to French officials at the time, the terms of the edict were non-negotiable. And to impress the seriousness of the situation upon the Haitians, France delivered the demands by 12 warships armed with 500 canons.

    To make matters worse for Haiti, the French anticipated and planned for Haiti to secure a loan to pay the first installment on the indemnity. Haiti was forced to borrow the 30 million francs from a French bank that then deducted the management fees from the face value of the loan and charged interest rates so exorbitant that after payment was completed, Haiti was still 6 million francs short.

    The 150-million-franc indemnity represented France’s annual budget and 10 years of revenue for Haiti.

    By contrast, when it became clear France would no longer be in a position to capitalize on further westward expansion in the Western hemisphere, they agreed to sell the Louisiana Territory, an area 74 times the surface area of Haiti, to the U.S. for just 60 million francs, less than half the Haitian indemnity.

    Even though France later lowered the indemnity payment to 90 million francs, the cycle of forcing Haiti to borrow from French banks to make the payments chained the Black nation to perpetual poverty. Haiti did not finish paying her indemnity debt until 1947!

    • Replies: @D. K.
  118. D. K. says:
    @Bliss

    May I get a refund, then, on my B.A., M.S., M.B.A., and J.D. degrees, genius? Especially on my B.A. in History! Oh, and of course, on my M.S. in Personality & Social Psychology– since I was nonetheless unable to diagnose my own psychopathology and learning disability!!

  119. Truth says:

    Dude, you spent that many years in school? No wonder you’re such a parrot.

    • Replies: @D. K.
  120. D. K. says:
    @Truth

    I could have skipped school, altogether, including kindergarten, and I still would not (a) “parrot” your kind of habitual nonsense, Zippy, nor (b) address other adults as “Dude,” like some moronic hipster-asshole.

  121. Truth says:

    But you would address them as “Zippy?”

    This is a fine Edwardian debate technique I’m unaware of?

    • Replies: @D. K.
  122. D. K. says:
    @Truth

    If you used a credible moniker, here, I would address you by that; you don’t, though, so I don’t. Capisce?

  123. Truth says:

    But Bro, I’m saying, first you use ad hominem attacks, then you play dumb about it, then you complain about being addessed by a general sobriquet, while you’ve been using them all along, you’re a strange young man.

    • Replies: @D. K.
  124. D. K. says:
    @Truth

    I became a young man more than forty years ago, now, Zippy. There was only one person that I knew, back then, who addressed anyone as “Dude”– and he was an immigrant Serbian from The Region (now, surprisingly, a beloved high-school soccer coach, back there). Him I can forgive….

    You claim that I have attacked you by making multiple ad hominem arguments; yet, you repeatedly, and still, refuse to quote them to me, here, so that I can respond to specific claims. You are playing games, because you apparently are incapable of doing otherwise or more.

    I have read scores, if not hundreds, of your comments, on this Web site, over the past many months, Zippy. I cannot remember a single one that was appreciably informative or intrinsically interesting, let alone any that was genuinely insightful. You simply have nothing to offer to us, here, that is of any value. How sad….

    • Replies: @Truth
  125. Truth says:
    @D. K.

    …Yet you go to great lengths to respond…Hmmmmmmmm.

    • Replies: @D. K.
  126. D. K. says:
    @Truth

    It is the former college instructor in me. I had a lot of stupid students, back then, too.

    • Replies: @Truth
  127. Truth says:
    @D. K.

    Well good, then I guess all of my posts are informative, interesting, and/or insightful where it counts; to YOU.

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