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Today, fun with genetics, specifically genetic determination of intelligence and behavior. In doing this we will seek to annoy as many people as possible. (This column prides itself on being an equal-opportunity irritant. ) First, reference to amusing contradictions in IQ theory as offered by IQists and such as the Human Biodiversity Movement (hbd).

Let’s start with Colombia, since I know the country reasonably well. Colombians are said to have a mean IQ of 84. This is quite dim, below hamsters but better than turnips. Yet they run airlines, telecommunications, and all the things one associates with modern cities. How is this?

There is no contradiction here provided that IQists say clearly, without the usual evasion, that a mean IQ of 84 is sufficient to produce enough people with enough intelligence do these things. But then it follows that American blacks, mean IQ 85, can also run modern cities and airlines and so on. Why don’t they? Since the cause is not low intelligence (they are a bit smarter than Colombians), it must be because of social factors, such as discrimination, or institutional obstacles.

This is great fun as it has the invariably conservative IQists agreeing with their liberal opponents. Hbd folk thus become Social Justice Warriors.

A common response from IQists is that, Fred, any population will produce a few intelligent people, and these obviously are the ones doing the mentally demanding work. Well, yes, any distribution will produce some, bright folk but can it produce enough? (And would this not also apply to blacks? The money question here is why two populations with essentially equal IQs produce such very different outcomes.)

Those espousing the theory of a few intelligent people doing all the thinking may not realize how much intelligence of various levels one needs to operate a modern society. Consider:

Most countries have large numbers of banks, often several in towns of any size. The clerks in these do not need to be geniuses, but they have to understand exchange rates, SWIFT codes, intermediate banks, interest rates, and so on. They cannot be dummies. The computers on their desks are networked to each other, so someone must establish and maintain the network. They are also linked to corporate, probably in the capital city, requiring wide-area engineers and programmers who can maintain the software. Banks have ATMs, requiring more technicians and networking. Again, not Stephen Hawking, but all pulled from a population (mean IQ 84) in which fewer than one in six has the average white American’s IQ of 100.

The same considerations holds across the economy. Dentists can’t be stupid, nor can their professors in dental school, nor the people who sell and maintain their equipment. The Honda dealership needs people who can repair engines covered in mysterious wires and tubes like malign linguini, who can use diagnostic computers, who can maintain same, who can handle accounting and inventory. The telecom net needs very smart programmers, hardware geeks, and the helpline techs who talk distraught customers through the innards of their modems when something goes wrong. The airlines need pilots, people to train pilots, to maintain radar and avionics and high-bypass turbofans. Hospitals are littered with surgeons and specialists who had to be trained by others, as well as CAT scanners and MRI and optical-coherence tomography machines. And someone maintains these.

At what point as we go down the IQ scale does the distribution cease to provide enough people at various levels of intelligence to make the society function? Below 84 obviously. Eighty? Seventy? Determining this would be statistically tricky, but the failure of IQists to tie theory to observation, or to address glaring contradictions, makes their arguments unconvincing.

Or might there–shudder–be something wrong with IQ as a measure of intelligence?

A staple of hbd theory is that people came dim-witted out of Africa and then, moving to cold regions, evolved intelligence to stay alive in harsh conditions. (It seems to me they would have to be stupid to go live in frigid lands. After all, Africa was big, warm, full of food, and largely unoccupied. But what do I know?) Curiously, Eskimos live in about the coldest places around and, say IQists, are not too bright.

Something that confuses me, as a depressing number of things do, are the Indians of the Americas. The northern ones never did much of anything brain-wise. They are supposed to have a mean IQ of 85–that is, higher than that of Colombians, who repair avionics. Most odd. The Indians of Mesoamerica, meaning sort of southern Mexico and Guatemala, have mean IQ 83. Yet they invented writing, a base-twenty exponential number system complete with zero, the wheel, five floor buildings of poured concrete, and big cities. I would not have associated vigesimal exponentiation with an IQ of 83. Yet today they exhibit substantial mental torpor. Go figure.

Another and somewhat disconcerting belief of hbd is that our personalities, and therefore behavior, are largely genetically determined. That is, we are not moral of not, conservative or liberal, religious or atheist because of thought and free choice but because our genes dictate these things. Psychologists have compiled tables purporting to show, for example, the heritability of openness to new ideas is at .8, sexual promiscuity .5, and so on. (I made those up, but you can google for tables.)

The disconcerting part is that the evidence seems to support this. Any dog breeder will tell you that both character and intelligence are innate: Border collies, Chihuahuas, and timber wolves inherently have different approaches to things. Blank slates they are not. In humans, twin studies clearly show a high degree of genetic determination of character. Further, I note before going into hiding, races are subspecies of humans as breeds are subspecies of dogs.

ORDER IT NOW

The belief in genetic control leads to a couple of interesting situations. The first is the problem of the observer being part of the system observed. The conservative hbder (almost all are) is arguing that his political views are not the result of logic but of his genetic make-up, like eye color. This makes unnerving sense. People raised in the same suburb, attending the same school, watching the same movies and similar home lives often end up with diametrically opposed politics.

A second curiosity is this: Suppose that as genetics advances, as it rapidly does, we find that certain sequences indicate an eighty percent chance that the individual will engage in violent behavior. When he commits assault and battery, should the court give him only twenty percent of the normal sentence on the grounds that eighty percent was genetic and thus beyond his control? Then there is the question often asked of what to do if the genetic profile of a six-year-old shows him unmistakably to be a psychopath.

On the subject of violence, hbd types point out that rates of homicide are substantially higher in Latin America than in, say, white Europe and the white population of the US.. This is true. It is exceedingly true in Mexico. Inevitably hbders conclude that the violence must be genetic in provenance.

Perhaps. However it is entertaining to pick a date–1900 will serve–and ask how many wars, with how many accompany dead, have been launched by a Latin American country against any other country. Then do the same for the white race. Add up the dead. Start with WWI and WWII. How many wars are white countries fighting now? How many are Latin American fighting?

One might easily conclude that whites are far more violent than Latin Americans or Orientals, though given to doing their killing in organized groups. Since the pattern holds over long periods of time, it might seem genetic.

(Republished from Fred on Everything by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. According to the once underhanded Clapper, Russians are genetically determined to be untrustworthy, implacable enemies to America. Perhaps it is him, and the neocon is an heritable personality disorder type?

  2. Anon[246] • Disclaimer says:

    It would really be nice if it were possible for serious academics to be able to look into the issues that you raise, and get funding for it, get hold of required data sets, and keep their jobs. Then we’d have a chance of really knowing what is going on.

    By the way Richard Lynn’s initial book on national IQ, which he admitted made some wild guesses based on insufficient data, pegged Columbia at 88. There have been revisions since then by other researchers. Columbia has a mixed population, so it doesn’t graph out to a clean Bell curve, but rather a lumpy set of intersecting group curves, the same as with Mexico. Afro-Columbians do not participate so much in society and are geographically segregated within the country.

    Avianca and COPA have had five fatal crashes since the 1980s for a total of 547 fatalities. What that means I don’t know: You’d have to look at air miles flown, population, air miles per citizen per year, and other factors, and compare it with other countries.

  3. It’s simple. High IQS are required to invent machines not run them. As a general rule, when provided with guidance and instructions, individuals with mediocre IQs can run machines with no problem. As to blacks, those of average intelligence don’t and won’t run machines due to a lack of desire and motivation to do so. Plus, it’s not required due to 200+ years of white people planning, anticipating and providing for their every physical need. If all white people were to suddenly disappear from North and South America, in 10 years or less, New York City and Bogotá, Columbia would look as bad, if not worse than Port Au Prince, Haiti. As quickly as Zimbabwe and South Africa have deteriorated under black leadership, imagine what they would be like if there were no whites at all in either country.

    • Agree: Realist
  4. And would this not also apply to blacks? The money question here is why two populations with essentially equal IQs produce such very different outcomes

    One factor in the disparity between blacks and others could be that sub-Saharan Africans have no Neanderthal DNA.

  5. I’d say that as with so many elements in nature, intelligence isn’t operating in a vacuum. That is to say, other elements are in play, and its difficult to disentangle intelligence from those other factors.

    Nations, such as Columbia, may not be particularly modern, and students in the village school may not be subjected to the continuous bombardment of standardized tests that American and European children are. So people could be reasonably intelligent but underperform on the various tests hat IQ data is drawn from. They’re wondering what this is all about, and their teacher may not be too clear on it herself.

    Conversely, for all the whining, American blacks are extremely familiar with all the rigamarole of standardized testing; in fact, the more the tests rely on lower-order thinking skills, the better they do. Moreover, the true average of their intelligence is masked by the ‘one drop’ rule; all these mulattoes and quadroons and even octoroons are driving the average up.

    I’ve worked with Guatemalans and Mongolians and things; they can be distinctly exotic, but rarely strike me as actually stupid. On the other hand pure blacks tend to be really stupid; you can name prominent mulattoes and such in the higher strata of the media and politics and other fields requiring a modicum of intelligence but actual full-on blacks are extremely rare. Even Louis Farrakhan et al obviously have a lot of white in them.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
  6. TG says:

    A clerk at McDonald’s with a computerized cash register can make change faster and more accurately than Albert Einstein.

    It may well be that there is a lot of flexibility in how an industrial economy is set up. If there are enough resources, and the relative fraction of people with low IQs is relatively high, well, the economy will simply adapt and many jobs will be made less complex. Much of the complexity of modern life – insurance codes, computer networking protocols, etc. – is superfluous, and if high-quality labor were in truly short supply, market forces would cause these processes to be made simpler and more efficient. But if you can readily get near-genius level Indian refugees to work in menial jobs for hardly more than minimum wage, well, there is no pressure to simplify, and the record keeping etc. can become arbitrarily complex. But this doesn’t mean that this complexity is required to run an industrial society, not at all.

  7. Blubb says:

    Didn’t read very far, as my eyes rolled into the back of my head at “discrimination” being a “social factor”. Ever thought social factors might be the glorification of crime? The vilification of reading books? The ease with which failure in life may be attributed to “discrimination”, rather than to personal laziness?

    Gee, strawmen alert.

    Also: yes, you do need to be smart enough to understand swif, but did it ever occur to you that understanding swift is not all that difficult? And just because in a high IQ country this is done by a person with an IQ of 100 doesn’t mean it can’t be done with an IQ of 80?

    Maybe take the average German engineer and the average Columbian engineer and check their IQs against each other. Maybe one is 125, the other 115?

    Can it be American Blacks don’t rise that high on average because there are too many people that are smarter than them that would also do the job?

    Your article did nothing to disprove or even cast doubt on, IQ as an important measure of human fitness, but, congratulations, its stupidity irritated me greatly.

  8. The best racial IQ comparisons are based on data originating within the same country/social system.

    I understand that hispanics in America score about 90, which may not sound like a great deal more than 84, but if Colombians match it, it would definitely give a significant boost to Colombia’s ‘smart fraction.’

    Anyway, I’m not sure the comparison to black Americans is really all that telling. Can’t you find numerous blacks in America doing all those sorts of things listed in your essay? They don’t do them at the same rate as whites, nor do they do them as well as whites (on average), but they certainly do them.

    From what I can see google street viewing around Colombia, the rampant trashiness has more in common with the black parts of America than the white parts so perhaps the nearness of IQ levels between the two groups really is at least partly responsible for this.

  9. @Carroll Price

    Carroll Price wrote:

    It’s simple. High IQS are required to invent machines not run them. As a general rule, when provided with guidance and instructions, individuals with mediocre IQs can run machines with no problem.

    Absolutely right. I’m a Ph.D. physicist turned engineer. I always get a laugh when I hear that someone took a class to learn to use PowerPoint, PhotoShop, or even Windows itself!

    Non-STEM people have no idea of the true genius that goes into producing devices that can be used effectively by dummies. (Anyone who wants to find out more: try taking MIT’s online 6.002X and 6.004X courses: these are just the basic elements of what you need to learn to be a modern computer designer.)

    It takes less brains to be an auto mechanic today than it did fifty years ago: the computers nowadays will do much of the work for you. (Yes, everyone, I know a brilliant mechanic is still worth his weight in gold, but there are not many such people and, for most problems, they are not needed.)

  10. Anyone with an IQ higher than 84 knows that Colombians are not an ethnic group. It is a term for whoever lives in boundaries invented by the Spanish long ago. If you pulled the average man from the street there your airline could not run well. But if allowed to choose the top 10%, it works, so long as they are not expected to design and build aircraft and related computer systems. That 10% can do the “monkey see monkey do” tasks, but anything serious like overhauls or fixing glitches are done by foreigners.

    Why does the author assume the Indians of Mesoamerica developed a writing system. Was he there at the time? There is lots of hard evidence of pre-Colombian contact with Europe and Africa. I don’t know the answer, but don’t pretend that I do, lest people suspect I am Colombian.

    • Replies: @The Scalpel
  11. @Colin Wright

    Colin Wright wrote:

    Nations, such as Columbia, may not be particularly modern, and students in the village school may not be subjected to the continuous bombardment of standardized tests that American and European children are.

    James Flynn, best-known for the eponymous “Flynn effect,” argues convincingly that IQ tests measure the sort of abstract intelligence that is engendered by modern life: e.g. the kids who know how to use all the features on theri iPhones will score higher on IQ tests than their great-grandparents but are not necessarily any better at solving typical real-world problems that their forebears.

    Concretely, I have a cousin who is an assembly-line worker and whose views on economics are more in line with reality than the average Harvard professor’s. I have no doubt that Harvard professors have higher IQs than my cousin, but I am grateful that many voters are more similar to my cousin!

    • Replies: @Gene Su
  12. “The airlines need pilots, people to train pilots, to maintain radar and avionics and high by-pass turbo fans.”
    I have experience both in the operation and maintenance of aircraft. The airline pilot does not need to be an expert concerning the systems founds say in a Boeing 737. He has an operator’s manual that does nor go into technical detail but it does outline in red emergency procedures to be taken if one of the operating systems should fail or malfunction. The technical manuals relating to the operating systems make up very large volumes of data relating to the maintenance and repair of those systems. The average airline pilot may have an IQ well above 100 but chances are he would be lost wading through the wiring tech manual. At the same time an electrician who may be a whiz at trouble-shooting a wiring problem is paid a much smaller salary than the pilot.
    As an aside, the skipper of a nuclear sub has to be well versed in all the systems if “The Hunt for Red October” is to be believed.

  13. @Carroll Price

    A Somali can be trained to drive a car, after a fashion. BMW is not looking over its shoulder at the Somali car giants.

  14. Gene Su says:

    I’m back after a long period of absence.
    I’m going to split my thoughts up into several posts.

    First, all of this talk of eugenics and HBD is making me think of something darkly comic. I bet that there are a few “Inverse” Eugenicists and HBD advocates who believe that it is blacks, not whites, who are the superior race and have the superior intellect. After all, they can push whites around, manipulate us, get whatever they want, etc. Now, why do you think that is so? Why can’t whites do anything about it? (and no, I do not want to hear some stupid anti-Semitic rant about how it is all a “Jewish conspiracy”)

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
  15. Gene Su says:
    @PhysicistDave

    Concretely, I have a cousin who is an assembly-line worker and whose views on economics are more in line with reality than the average Harvard professor’s. I have no doubt that Harvard professors have higher IQs than my cousin, but I am grateful that many voters are more similar to my cousin!

    Funny how white racists tend to put so much stock into IQ tests when they want to prove how much smarter they are than blacks but then discount them when they want to prove the stupidity of liberal academic types. How refreshing hypocritical.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
  16. Gene Su says:

    Second main post:
    I am not a “racialist” – or a race realist. I am a “culturalist” – a cultural realist. Races evolve genetically over hundreds of thousand of years. However, a culture needs at the least a few thousand years to evolve. Our culture did not start with the US constitution or the Magna Carta or with the Roman Republic. The seeds of our civilization sprung about two to three thousand years before the time of Christ. There were the Jews who wrote the 10 Commandments and whose scribbling would eventually become part of the modern Bible. There was Hammurabi’s code of law and the Greek importance of private property.

    I think this IQ tests don’t measure intelligence. They measure competence. They have their place in our society and economy. They just are not the last word on how “smart” a person is.

  17. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @Carlton Meyer

    Why does the author assume the Indians of Mesoamerica developed a writing system. Was he there at the time?

    quite simply, they may have been smarter back then

  18. Greg P says:

    Hi, Fred.

    I’ve spent a good deal of time in Colombia, Chile, and Argentina. I’ve also visited Mexico and Guatemala as a tourist but am not well-versed in either. The first three countries listed are highly delineated by class and by race, to the point that class and race appear to be the same thing. This is not very true of Guatemala which appears largely Amerindian, but seems to be true of at least Mexico City during my brief time there.

    My observation has been that the top parts of these societies are dominated by whites or by what white North Americans tend to call Hispanic. Many Hispanics originated in the Basque and Catalonia regions of Spain centuries back with an admixture of some German, Italian, and English depending on the South American country being considered and on the amount of emigration each country experienced. Hispanics mixed to some extent with the local population especially during the early centuries but in general just appear to be slightly darker versions of us. They resemble white North Americans in both ethnic features and innate intelligence or IQ. The business, STEM, professorial, arts, and upper echelons of government administration are staffed by these people. They are not, unfortunately, the ones crossing our border. Even your nemesis Ann Coulter might welcome them.

    Mestizos and Amerindians tend to occupy the second tier of society. They seem to be largely the worker bees, employed by and subservient to the white upper class.

    Blacks bring up a distant last and are typically poor, the not very bright descendants of slaves or, in Chile for example, a recent influx from Haiti.

    Given these highly stratified societies, it is not unreasonable to expect that evolutionary differences including differences in IQ between the various races account for the relative economic and cultural advances you observed in Colombia. Colombia may have an average IQ of 84. I’ll take your word for that. But the dispersion around that mean for each society as a whole is very important. The mean would be significantly less than 100 if Mestizos and Blacks greatly outnumber whites, but you’re not going to find a lot of Amerindians flying Boeing 777 aircraft.

    **As an aside given your previous article on Intelligent Design, I believe that ID is a much better explanation of creation than is Darwinian Evolution. In fact, I don’t think evolution can account for any aspect of creation. However, I believe that patterns of genetic variation govern the changes, sometimes very fast changes, between subspecies of humans.**

    • Replies: @Nawi
  19. Stu says:

    it follows that American blacks, mean IQ 85, can also run modern cities and airlines and so on. Why don’t they? Since the cause is not low intelligence (they are a bit smarter than Colombians), it must be because of social factors, such as discrimination, or institutional obstacles.

    Fred`s actually making a fairly basic mistake in his logic here.

    You could easily have a country with a very low average IQ but capable of running a complex society.

    Apartheid South Africa, for example.

    All you need is a racially distinct smart fraction doing all or nearly all the complex stuff.

  20. Anonymous[294] • Disclaimer says:
    @Carroll Price

    It’s simple. High IQS are required to invent machines not run them.

    Agree, but a country with a low average IQ population will also underperform when running those machines (there’s a reason why corporations prefer high-IQ China vs low-IQ Idia for their factories) and in every other aspect of what we consider “1st-World”. Basically, only a relatively high-IQ populace can create – or even maintain – a 1st-World society.

    Zimbabwe and South Africa are great examples of what happens when the reins are given to the dim. SA is still kind of functioning (8% white) but it’s rapidly declining under the weight of “Black Empowerment” and it’s only a matter of time before the remaining whites leave (or die). The place is doomed to crash just like its northern neighbour.

    • Agree: Negrolphin Pool
    • Replies: @Carroll Price
  21. @Anonymous

    When it comes to running machines, which is monkey work, work ethics, accompanied by excessive numbers of potential employees looking for work, has more to do with it than IQ. Monkeys have been trained to operate fairly complex machines,. However, when it comes to performing repetitious task over long periods of time, limited attention spans rule-out monkeys replacing humans.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  22. Anonymous[294] • Disclaimer says:

    When it comes to running machines, which is monkey work, work ethics, accompanied by excessive numbers of potential employees looking for work, has more to do with it than IQ.

    I think you’re underestimating the influence of average IQ on productivity, attention-spans, forward-thinking, work ethics, business environment, infrastructure, safety, corruption, crime, politics etc. Those machines are not operating in a vacuum.

    Besides, even a ditch-digging team in a high-IQ country will massively outperform their low-IQ counterparts from a random shithole. Ask people who’ve seen it.

  23. Anonymous[294] • Disclaimer says:
    @Carroll Price

    When it comes to running machines, which is monkey work, work ethics, accompanied by excessive numbers of potential employees looking for work, has more to do with it than IQ.

    I think you’re underestimating the influence of average IQ on productivity, attention-spans, forward-thinking, work ethics, business environment, infrastructure, safety, corruption, crime, politics etc. Those machines are not operating in a vacuum.

    Besides, even a ditch-digging team in a high-IQ country will massively outperform their low-IQ counterparts from a random shithole. Ask people who’ve seen it.

  24. Could it be that there are hereditary factors other than IQ separating Colombians from African Americans?

  25. Truth says:

    However it is entertaining to pick a date–1900 will serve–and ask how many wars, with how many accompany dead, have been launched by a Latin American country against any other country. Then do the same for the white race. Add up the dead. Start with WWI and WWII. How many wars are white countries fighting now? How many are Latin American fighting?

    One might easily conclude that whites are far more violent than Latin Americans or Orientals, though given to doing their killing in organized groups. Since the pattern holds over long periods of time, it might seem genetic.

    I don’t know, Gents; Frijole Fred has a point.

    • Replies: @Negrolphin Pool
  26. @Gene Su

    Gene Su wrote to me:

    Funny how white racists tend to put so much stock into IQ tests when they want to prove how much smarter they are than blacks but then discount them when they want to prove the stupidity of liberal academic types.

    Gene, I’m not sure I get your point.

    Are you suggesting that Fred Reed or I or both of us are “white nationalists”?

    Because Fred is widely derided for not being a “white nationalist”: indeed, that is part of the point of this column, and, in fact, Fred is married to a Mexican woman and has a Mexican step-daughter. I myself have also been a sharp critic of “white nationalism,” which I have repeatedly argued has the effect of dividing different ethnic groups that should unite in opposition to the (still largely white) ruling elite. And, I am also married to a woman who is not white, and our children are of mixed race.

    Indeed, a number of the columnists here on unz.com hardly fit in with the white nationalists: Derbyshire has a Chonese wife. Paul Gottfried, Isreal Shamir, Ilana Mercer, and Norm Finkelstein are all, as I recall, Jewish. And Linh Dinh and Razib Khan are not exactly white Europeans! And then there are independent leftists such as Patrick Cockburn and Tom Engelhardt.

    Maybe I am simply misunderstanding you, but any “white nationalists” who think of unz.com as a “white nationalist” website must be very deeply disappointed!

    • Replies: @Gene Su
  27. @Gene Su

    Gene Su wrote:

    I bet that there are a few “Inverse” Eugenicists and HBD advocates who believe that it is blacks, not whites, who are the superior race and have the superior intellect. After all, they can push whites around, manipulate us, get whatever they want, etc. Now, why do you think that is so? Why can’t whites do anything about it?

    Simple: virtue signalling. Sort of like the peacock’s tail.

    I.e., if you got into Harvard or Stanford as a white guy, you are smart enough that even with the penalty of affirmative action, you still made it. I’m an example of that: got into Stanford both for undergrad and grad school and Harvard for grad school (didn’t apply to Harvard for undergrad). At various times in my life I feel I was treated badly, but none of the important events were due to affirmative action or to my being mistreated by blacks or Hispanics.

    So, I could proudly support affirmative action and truthfully declare that it has never harmed me.

    Except I don’t, because I simply think it is unjust. As Kipling said of us WASPs, “But he never means anything serious till he talks about justice and right.”

  28. MBlanc46 says:

    If you kicked the Colombians out of Colombia and filled the place with a representative sample of American blacks, there would very likely be enough bright ones to run banks and airlines and such. They have a very hard time doing it here because of overwhelming competition from many more smarter whites and Jews and now Asians.

  29. Gene Su says:
    @PhysicistDave

    What I’m simply stating is that I’m tired of how some racialists (think Jared Taylor and Jim Goad) repeat the trite boilerplate that IQ can be reduced to a number and that statistics show that blacks are one standard deviation behind whites and therefore are borderline retarded. I believe that IQ is qualitative, not quantitative. A lot of blacks are good in chess.
    Note that part of the reason blacks do horribly in school might be because of the degraded reading instruction public schools these days give out. The late Samual Blemenfeld has written greatly about the de-emphasis on phonics and reading instruction.
    As I said before, I’m a culturalist, not a racialist. Some cultures are better than others because they allow a worldview that is more intelligent than others. Am I biased toward white “Eurocentric” culture? Maybe I am. Will you call me a right-wing racist because of that? I couldn’t care less.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
  30. Nawi says:
    @Greg P

    “I’ve spent a good deal of time in Colombia, Chile, and Argentina. I’ve also visited Mexico and Guatemala as a tourist but am not well-versed in either. The first three countries listed are highly delineated by class and by race, to the point that class and race appear to be the same thing.”

    Well, it looks like you did not spend too much time in Argentina where this “thing” you mention about race does not apply at all. How can you talk about “delineated” by race when almost all Argentinians are of European origin ? (I would say that until 30 years ago the % of whites was somewhere between 90 – 95 %, it changed in the last decades because of the influx of people from neighbourging countries)
    What you say it could possible apply to perhaps Chile or Colombia but not Argentina. Of course the upper class in Argentina is white…and the middle class is white as well as is the low class…
    I heard once Doug Casey saying that probably one of the last (still) European country in the world is …Argentina and from a racial point of view, at this point more European than Europe itself (although not for so long because the globalists are now in charge of Argentina and they LOVE open borders)

  31. @Gene Su

    Gene Su wrote:

    Note that part of the reason blacks do horribly in school might be because of the degraded reading instruction public schools these days give out. The late Samual Blemenfeld has written greatly about the de-emphasis on phonics and reading instruction.

    That reminds me of a documentary PBS ran twenty years or so ago> two teachers, one a cool, hip black dude, one a very sweet, pretty young white woman. I think most middle-class Americans would have thought the white lady was the better teacher who would get the kids to study hard and that the black guy’s students would figure they could just goof off.

    Except… the cool black dude taught phonics. The sweet white lady taught “whole language.” At the end of the school year, the black teacher’s kids could read. The nice white lady’s kids could not read.

    Also, the linguist John McWhorter, who is a black guy and is very bright, has complained that his black students claim that taking their studies seriously is “acting white.” If they also view taking an IQ test seriously as “acting white,” it is easy to imagine what effect that will have on their IQ scores.

    So, I’m agnostic on racial vs, cultural explanations: the issues are complicated and the data to date seem to me to be inconclusive.

  32. Or might there–shudder–be something wrong with IQ as a measure of intelligence?

    I would go one step further. What exactly is “intelligence?” Is an intelligent person any better off in an unproductive culture where almost everything is a lie? Suppose he gets rich: Is he or society now any better off? If white America has such an intelligent high IQ population, what exactly do they have to show for all of their talents and labors? Big houses, big cars, and even bigger waistlines?

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  33. Rurik says:

    The money question here is why two populations with essentially equal IQs produce such very different outcomes.)

    perhaps because blacks are more genetically disposed to violence?

    Golly, is that even possible, for a race to have unique dispositions completely irrelevant to their IQs?

    The Indians of Mesoamerica, meaning sort of southern Mexico and Guatemala, have mean IQ 83. Yet they invented writing, a base-twenty exponential number system complete with zero, the wheel, five floor buildings of poured concrete, and big cities. I would not have associated vigesimal exponentiation with an IQ of 83. Yet today they exhibit substantial mental torpor. Go figure.

    https://www.chimuadventures.com/blog/2017/02/cloud-people-peru/

    As to much of the other tripe here, isn’t it the leftists who’re stigmatizing and vilifying all white people for being congenital racists?

    http://time.com/67092/baby-racists-survival-strategy/

    look at how they have those two white children doing an implied ‘Nazi salute’.

    If we’re born ‘racists’, as the (((leftists))) demand, then how can you condemn us for simply expressing the genes we were born with?

    One might easily conclude that whites are far more violent than Latin Americans or Orientals, though given to doing their killing in organized groups. Since the pattern holds over long periods of time, it might seem genetic

    The reason the Founding Fathers of this country shot their British cousins when they arrived wearing Red Coats, was because the ((Bank of England)) demanded that the colonists submit to being debt slaves to the Bank of England.

    Every major war since then has been instigated at the behest of ((banksters)) demanding all nations bow down and submit to its nefarious debt slavery / fiat currency.

    Is there something genetic about that?

    Hmmm..

  34. Rurik says:
    @Low Voltage

    Is an intelligent person any better off in an unproductive culture where almost everything is a lie? Suppose he gets rich:

    then he can also be expected to rack his soul with the knowledge that he is providing significant material support to the Satanic monsters who perpetrated 9/11, (and Waco and Dresden and a thousand other moral abominations- in his name), as the Fiend continues to wreak treason, death and misery and even runs an open torture camp!

    How an intelligent and moral man can reconcile these enormities and stay moral and sane and honest, seems to me to be the first conundrum.

    If a Fiend is eating the soul of your children, and dooming your progeny to horrors unimaginable

    how do you reconcile your participation in feeding such a Fiend?

  35. @Truth

    He may have a point, but it’s the wrong one. It’s chaotic criminal violence that tears at the social fabric and leads to low-trust, low-social-capital societies where people only invest in family enterprises and you need 24-hour armed security to open a Dairy Queen.

    As has been pointed out many times, the reason whites have killed more people is because of the enormous destructive power of the science and engineering at their disposal. Give every Idi Amin and Charles Taylor nukes with medium-range delivery systems, for instance, then see what kind of relative body counts you get.

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