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“Affirmative action” means hiring people because they can’t do the job well. Near-synonyms are “diversity,” meaning groups that cannot do the job well, and “inclusiveness,” which means seeking people who you know cannot do the job well. These underpin American society, and have ruined education. For some time the sciences seemed less susceptible to the prevailing enstupidation because mathematics would present an impenetrable barrier to the the insufficiently bright. This, astonishingly, is changing. The sciences are being dumbed down to–are you surprised?–spare the feelings of included affirmative diversity.

Which somewhat curiously brings us to international politics and an aspect of scientific schooling that does not appear in the mainstream press: Psychometrists, people who endeavor to measure intelligence, universally agree that the Chinese are more intelligent than Eurowhites. So are the Koreans and Japanese. Since for the most part psychometrists are themselves white, their conclusions presumably do not spring from racial chauvinism. The Chinese advantage is measured at around five IQ points. This is not great but makes a considerable difference at the high end of the distribution.

As a matter of observable–if, to many, unwelcome–fact, virtually all of the work in STEM fields (science, technology, engineering, and mathematics) in America is done by whites. Blacks contribute nothing and Hispanics, to date anyway, very little. For reasons of politics we must pretend not to notice. When a piano is falling toward one’s head, one may pretend that it is not, but not for long. The arrival of the piano will ensure this.

America’s prosperity and place in the world very much depend on invention and excellence in the STEM fields. Boeing sells airliners, and provides jobs to Americans, only because its airliners are technically equal to those of AirBus. A lowering of technical capacity will have unfortunate consequences for the country.

America’s whites number at about 200 million, the Han Chinese of China about a billion–five times as many.

Beijing understands perfectly that technological virtuosity is crucial to the country’s well being. It spends heavily, and successfully, on increasing China’s performance. Those who follow such things note the speed of the the advance. A fully developed China will be able to deploy several times as many researchers and engineers, these being at least as intelligent as America’s, on problems of its choosing. Numbers count. They will count more as time goes by.

This strongly suggests that, unless Washington starts a major war to prevent it, or China collapses from within, the future is in the East. It also suggests that the United States would be well advised to do all it can to maintain its competitiveness for as long as it can. Instead it seems to be committing imperial harakiri, deliberately lowering the quality of education in all fields at all levels.

America’s suicide note: How Identity Politics is Harming the Sciences, by Heather Mac Donald. It is long but well worth reading. It documents the systematic lowering of intellectual standards in the sciences to increase the numbers of women and underperforming minorities. This, as she makes clear at length, is strongly supported by the federal government. A few examples:

“Entry requirements for graduate education are being revised. The American Astronomical Society has recommended that Ph.D. programs in astronomy eliminate the requirement that applicants take the Graduate Record Exam (GRE) in physics, since it has a disparate impact on females and URMs….” (These are “Underrepresented Minorities.”)

“Mathematical problem-solving is being deemphasized in favor of more qualitative group projects; the pace of undergraduate physics education is being slowed down so that no one gets left behind.”

“A typical INCLUDES grant from October 2017 directs $300,000 toward increasing Native American math involvement by incorporating “indigenous knowledge systems” into Navajo Nation Math Circles.”

“The National Institutes of Health are another diversity-obsessed federal science funder. Medical schools receive NIH training grants to support postdoctoral education for physicians pursuing a research career in such fields as oncology and cardiology. The NIH threatens to yank any training grant when it comes up for renewal if it has not supported a sufficient number of “underrepresented minorities” (URMs).”

“Medical school administrators urge admissions committees to overlook the Medical College Admission Test (MCAT) scores of black and Hispanic student applicants and employ “holistic review” in order to engineer a diverse class. The result is a vast gap in entering qualifications.”

Mac Donald goes on to tell of school after school accepting diversity with credentials well below those of real students, of schools dropping the GRE requirement because it makes obvious that in STEM fields women and minorities are not performing as desired. (“Minorities” always means “poorly performing minorities.” Chinese, Japanese, Koreans and so on don’t count.)

The comparatively young may be so steeped in such corrupted pedagogy that they do not know how the sciences were formerly taught. A description:

I went to a small Southern school, Hampden-Sydney College, of respectable but not astonishing credentials. I believe the pre-dumbing-down SATs were a bit over 1100. This was before social justice had replaced competence as a reason for study. Freshmen were expected to be fully literate and know algebra cold. Remedial courses would have been thought crazy. If you needed them, you needed to be somewhere else. In any event, if you had graduated from high school without being able to read, you were unlikely to learn.

Freshman chemistry at H-S–much like freshman chemistry in other schools I suppose–was not a cooperative shared learning experience that avoided unnecessary facts. It did not exist to avoid disturbing heartwarming but dim-witted minorities. It was–boom!–s-p hybrid bonding orbitals, resonance in benzene rings, the wave equation del-squared psi and a bunch of constants, probability densities, quantum degeneracy, equilibrium constants, Pivnert the ideal gas equation, the mathematics of a mass spec, the Krebs cycle, and endless problems: 2.4 grams of phlogiston anhydride are dissolved in 2 liters of 2,4-diethyl-polywannacrackerine. What are the products and the weights and molarities of each at equilibrium?

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It was real chemistry, sink or swim, and most of us swam because we were looking at med school or graduate work. If there had been affirmative-action students–”students”–most of the material would have had to be eliminated. Mathematical illiterates do not balance redox equations or interpolate four-place log tables which, in those slide-rule days, we did.

Pop quiz. Take out a sheet of paper. Question: Are Chinese students, there or here, studying de-mathematized semi-chemistry for reasons of identity proportionality? Or are they, at every high-end university or elite high school in America, eating the white kids alive?

The same madness appears below the level of college. Walter Williams writing of the 2017 National Assessment of Educational Progress in America: “Only 37 percent of 12th-graders tested proficient or better in reading, and only 25 percent did so in math. Among black students, only 17 percent tested proficient or better in reading, and just 7 percent reached at least a proficient level in math.”

What?

Affirmative action in the sciences needs to be scrapped. For everybody. The purpose of studying astrophysics should not be to make social-justice warriors feel good about themselves. If women do not do well at engineering mathematics, let them become neurosurgeons.

Fred Reed is a retired news weasel and part-time sociopath living in Mexico with his wife and three useless but agreeable street dogs.

(Republished from Fred on Everything by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. It’s worth noting that Japan seems to have topped out at no more than 20% of US elite level scientific output; South Korea, at well less than 10%.

    Consequently, Chinese scientific output may top out at no more than double that of the US, despite having more than quadruple the population.

    Of course this doesn’t apply so much if the US continues to decline, due to adverse demographic changes and SJWization.

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    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
    How much of this scientific output is actually of any consequence? And of that which is of any consequence, are the gains captured by America? You know, those sneaky oriental copycats and all that.

    Of more import may be the achievements in engineering, which can be crudely quantified by triadic patent grants. Intellectual property revenues, less media and brands, are also relevant.
    , @Joe862
    I find the claim that 1,000,000,000 Chinese have average iq of 106 hard to believe. I haven't spent a lot of time researching but from what I can find the average Asian American has an iq around 106. I don't find that hard to believe at all since so many of the ones that come here are among the elites in their countries of origin. Is it really possible that china, with a gdp per capita of 8k, has a really good idea of what the average iq of essentially all of their school children is? Are we talking about an average where a lot of the rural poor aren't tested? Is it likely that the Chinese government knows and is telling the truth about this when they don't tell the truth about anything else?
    , @Rdm
    C'mon.

    At the very top of the United States of America, you don't see Wakanda by any chance, Anatoly?
    , @SimplePseudonymicHandle
    I think most testing data would make people think that the smartest Asians in the world are the ones living in the US and Canada. Also - I'm prepared, based on everything I've ever dealt with, with China, ever, and based on the sure knowledge that China games the PISA scores, everyone knows this, and everyone lets China get away with it - by only including scores from the top-performing geography and educational program (Shanghai - it would be like only letting Massachusetts and Connecticut contribute their PISA scores, ignore the other 48 states, and call those two representative of the US, that is exactly what we let China get away with and then here we are generalizing to China on the whole like we swallowed the propaganda) - I am completely prepared to lay my bet down that the whole rest of the the 5 points above average in China is gamed. Could be wrong but that's how I'd bet it.
    Chinese people are - anything but dull - but average 105? Really? 1.5 billion and we want to claim that half of them, 750 million, would score above 105? Not, bloody, likely.

    It is as often a form of hubris to attribute superhuman capabilities to others as it is to mis-attribute excessive competence to oneself. Generally speaking I think this is not one of Fred's best articles. Someone could do a take-down piece on the specifics which are weak and the generalizations which do not follow well and that's too bad because there is plenty not to like about Affirmative Action. Fred's done much better work than this.
    , @Anonymous
    Lol. Who do you think is doing the scientific research here in America? It is East Asians. So the comparison is a poor one.

    Also, it doesn't make sense to compare the US with East Asia without normalizing for economic output. One of the reasons why America is so dominate in science for right now is merely because America has more money and it's people more leisure time due to the Petro dollar.

    That isn't going to carry over in the future.
    , @RobRich
    Reed has again written an excellent article based on his observations + generally received specifics.

    What's interesting to me is that like most things conservatives say, though, they're 75-100 years behind what the Libertarians --led by Hispanic-Britons, BTW--have asked and answered just as the progressives are about 50 years behind (except the masochist power-hungry far-left ones try and IMPOSE the Libertarian innovation/choice on all to kill off the conservatives; the far-left is like myopic jackdaws with their new libertarian shiny thing--civil rights, LGBT, socialist communes, Green awareness, plastic bags, sensible fracking, deregulate some to get the top 10% of the population to at least millionaires ...which they drop and often then attack for the next craze AND which is why we need the brake of conservative common-sense). Here's what I know on the specifics I learned at Libertarian salons decades ago and that determine how their leaders think.

    RANT ALERT: Just got off the plane from visiting with libertarian fans in Mali who're fighting slavery there in a libertarian-conservative coalition. + 4 bourbons as I wait for my connecting flight. Long but fun rant follows. Stuff I know about Libertarians and what they're doing:

    --They want to bring a general college education to the top 30% of every country's population, preferably funded voluntarily and using things they pioneered like low-cost e-education. The idea is to get people college-conversant and socially tolerant with 1970's college-knowledge, then get every country adopting the US Bill of Rights. THEN they'll push to tighten up, maybe with a new degree scheme, maybe genetically higher IQ's, whatever, WHILE encouraging people smart enough to listen to them to home-school to whatever standard they want (which many conservatives are now doing so much homeschool is no longer a 'left' issue and the far-left is getting worried). They're thinking a peaceful fairly informed multi-cultural humanity capable of interstellar colonization and Libertarian-based off-world colonies. They call it S.M.I.L.E. That's the Libertarian end game (for now).

    --They dismissed the high IQ's for China and groups like Jews decades ago as selection/test warping effects. They see them as actually averaging 95 compared to 110 West Euros when properly adjusted. Based on my travels in China and Israel and talking to psychologists especially libertarian psychologists and psychiatrists there I have to agree. I first heard the idea that soon there would be more genius IQ's outside the US than in from Libertarians in maybe 1974. It's not as bad as Reed thinks because he uses the far-left IQ stats I just trashed, but it's also why the Libertarians are discussing making anyone with a genius IQ (130+, the world's professionals, MD's, etc. ) automatic (if they choose) US non-voting nationals, and let any city that wishes seceded and sign a governance compact as Palau did with the US. Why is the alt-right joining the far-left attacking these ideas, calling for more tariffs and trade v barriers and selling the idea of 'US under seige' and calling libertarian loonies?

    --They understand that West Euro whites especially in the US are tops for IQ. They basically self-selected during settlement. The settlers were the smarties or at least go-getters who left their slower Euro brothers behind. With assortative mating this is accelerating. They understand that the high-genius IQ (135+) need to have 3 or more kids to build the future we all want. They also understand that despite left propaganda the population numbers for many countries are overstated and their populations are declining (as some authors have begun to notice and starving to say the UN projections are full of it). While the rest of us emote on tariffs and immigration, they keep their eyes on the ball.

    --Being older than Reed I remember what algebra and science were like in US High Schools. It was actually policy in the '40's to NOT teach algebra as being confusing to the work force. In the '50's some libertarians introduced the idea of teaching infused lab science and calculus AND statistics in the schools. The High School algebra only 25% of kids are not ready for today would have been college algebra in 1951. The chemistry they know takes account of quantum theory. The standards/results Reed complains about are exactly what you would expect giving the numbers who are college-ready, include things like calculus and more important statistics and logic proofs/fallacies today. Yes, the kids are still getting a lot of far-left garbage, but no worse than in the '50's where it was rote-learning hurrah totalitarianizing US vs. socialist paradise USSR, and they're also hearing a degree of Libertarianism which was not done then. Entrepreneurship classes were unavailable in 1970 colleges, now they're common (thanx, libertarians)...I would argue it's better as the Libertarians took out the commies or at least reformed them (China), so no one in college is saying look at the USSR for utopia.

    --Many colleges today are 'open admission' to catch the ones who fall through the cracks and need some extra help and time. Autistic kids who need extra help but would have been put in homes are becoming now computer programmers and making millions. Libertarians led the way. That's good, not bad. Brilliant geniuses who got drafted and killed are drafted no more. That's good, not bad. Thankx, libertarians. College in the US is basically free for low-income bright kids who use e-learning (check out Charter Oak College), which was legalized after a libertarian-led campaign.. That's good, not bad. There is a revival and expansion of job-ready certificates and a AS degrees, again facilitated by libertarians. More minority kids are getting educated than ever and becoming middle-class instead. That's good, not bad. In China, while the far-left says be more like the Chinese based on their phony PISA scores, they're trying to become more like US colleges. They have the same process at a lower level--getting a generation college conversant, then tightening up. And Blacks may have their IQ problems here, but they beat most of the Chinese I've met, and Chinese academics I've talked to agree (in confidence).But a Black High-Schooler from a so-so neighborhood can trounce a TYPICAL Chinese college graduate as far as knowledge, thinking and team flexibility, and good old can-do American 'don't screw with me' violence.


    --Here's what the Libertarians are discussing NOW that the right will 'discover' in 75 years: Expand the US and grow it to a leisure robot-based economy to 50+% of the globe including a movement right now to bring Siberia (Putin hosted a conference recently for secession movements. The agenda was to show support for destabilizing independence movements. It became shambolic when the Siberian conferees said they wanted to become part of the US with Puerto Rico status. I was there. Total news blackout, as usual...) and West China (60 MM population total, nearly triple our land and resource base) into the US, along with other more-obvious low-population regions. No wonder the far-left is desperately spending billions to ridicule libertarian candidates and pervert the Electoral College with the NewSpeak 'National Popular Vote' and top-Two and other initiatives, to make new countries joining the US less attractive (and Putin suddenly attacked the Electoral College--the far-left doesn't criticize him there).

    --The hara-kiri US right is still adopting communist attitudes like pro-tariff, anti-immigration, national SOCIALIST rhetoric, the recent push to raise ages-of-consent/anti-zoophilia, 'equality language' etc. The far-far-right religious were just the Nazi/Commies of the dark ages think that's swell. (We are getting as smart as the Libertarians as far as IQ, anti-local regulation, low tax rates, etc. ) Our problem as conservatives is we DON'T conserve, we try and impose and end up parroting far-left stupidity. When the Libertarians stamp that nonsense out as they did our LGBT and racist hatred, they'll give their full attention to the far-left again. They understand the only regulation we need is of the far-left. Not gun-control, crime-control, business-control, wage-control...we need left-control. I'm sorry I won't live to see it, but the 'De-Commiefication' will be epic and I'd put up with a few guys in skirts to see the day.

    --The Libertarians first told me politics culture-lags culture, but helps adjust culture. The Libertarians won Viet-Nam. They started organizing there the day the US pulled out and got the hell out of their way (as it should do in the Mid-East). They're turning the Party there into a libertarian-lite shell and more people there love capitalism than in the US (even a PEW survey grudgingly recognizes this). At this rate 'communist' will mean 'capitalist' in 2060. The Libertarians understand culture war. They have think tanks in every Islamic nation beavering away. The US rights and left governments spends billions and Iraq and Afghanistan STILL have no formal free speech/religious freedom.

    -- In 1973 or so at Libertarian salons I was told that after their deregulation drive by 2013 the Cold War would be dead, the Iron Curtain and China would be the new US workshop/tourist trap, the US would be over 300 MM people , about every kid would be programming and using a computer, 10% of Americans would be millionaires and have trillion-dollar equivalent computers in their pockets, prices in many areas would be down 90%, the Dow would be heading over 20,000 and World War V would be the new Cold War against Islam and the religious far-right, and we would have ramps for people in wheelchairs on every street corner paid for by tax reductions. I laughed. Now they have a project to create privatized space stations FTL starships in 100 years and put all Americans on an automatic base income while abolishing taxes. I don't laugh now.

    --The Libertarians have made it easy for us (I'm a conservative libertarian) conservatives to have a 60%-90% benign white world of high-IQ geniuses in a century of we take PRIVATE action in our bedrooms and homes. Conservative-centrist-High IQ to-do: Babies, home-school/e-college on the classics and math and trades, re-build the extended family, libertarian coalitions have shown us how to lower tax RATES/zany regulations to protect home/small business. They're basically talking the 'Star Trek universe' (despite the misinformation by the far-left and his unhappy wife, Roddenberry was a staunch Libertarian trying to portray a libertarian-light future) with plenty of room for dissenters and traditional cultures and space-faring Hutterites and Kibbutzniks...If we conservatives want to help we should make a goal, and should encourage every especially non-far-left US White Euro and the high-trust/inventor/low-crime culture and higher IQ they possess -- to :

    --Have 5 kids for two generations while preserving our Electoral College and Bill of Rights AND ADVOCATE NOTHING ELSE.

    --In one generation that's 1 billion (sayonara, Yellow Peril), in another that's planetary dominance as we Euros once had without the stupid mistakes. The only people having an immigration problem will be the rest of the world FROM US, which BTW (as in Africa, not reported in the US media) many on the street in Africa, Asia, the Islamic World, and Latin America would love it if they could split their country with US 'mentors'...If we ask the lower-IQ to focus on no more than 2 kids and incentivize it would help but is not strictly necessary as the far-left anti-rights/US/reverse racist platform is dismantled. We conservatives LOVE to talk unhistorically about college algebra but can't seem to do simple math.

    --In summary: 5+ kids, with 60 CLEP credits transferable to college and a trade by 18 or so, sustainable home/home business. 5 BB Americans in a 6BB world in 2 generations. Or 5BB in a 10BB world. Whatever. Sure beats today's alt-right 'leaders' with 0 White kids.

    --I wish I was 30 again. I would focus not on a bigger conservative movement but that I would need a bigger bedroom. A big-BIG-bigger-bad-bada-bedroom.

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  2. @Anatoly Karlin
    It's worth noting that Japan seems to have topped out at no more than 20% of US elite level scientific output; South Korea, at well less than 10%.

    Consequently, Chinese scientific output may top out at no more than double that of the US, despite having more than quadruple the population.

    Of course this doesn't apply so much if the US continues to decline, due to adverse demographic changes and SJWization.

    How much of this scientific output is actually of any consequence? And of that which is of any consequence, are the gains captured by America? You know, those sneaky oriental copycats and all that.

    Of more import may be the achievements in engineering, which can be crudely quantified by triadic patent grants. Intellectual property revenues, less media and brands, are also relevant.

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    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    Well, as you point out, measuring this is hard. Patents statistics exist ofc but as you're well aware they are inflated by blatant, mass-scale IP hogging in the East Asian countries.

    In any case, since whites seem to have an advantage in innovation, while Asians are more proficient in improvement, all else equal it would appear that a technologically stagnant world will be one in which Asians are relatively more powerful than they would otherwise be.
    , @Biff
    I really am enjoying that fake Yeti cup I paid four dollars for. When the Orientals start copycating monopolies, I’ll start to worry then.
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  3. Maybe Sheldon Cooper was right when he characterized MIT as little more than a trade school.

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    • Replies: @Big AL
    What do you mean litte more than a trade school? Every thing in life as far as work is concerned is a trade or a profession .What you are impling is some people are much more important than others maybe like you.
    , @Kratoklastes
    Anyone who says "little more than a trade school" as a pejorative, is a little dumber than a fuckwit.

    One of the tremendous things about 'the trades' is that they are the most important avenue - bar none - for improving the skills and economic outlooks of people who are not suited for tertiary education.

    I just Googled who "Sheldon Cooper" is - he's a fictional character who is the Dummies version of what smart people are like. So I get it - the line is a second-quintile intellect's guess at what a top-percentile smartass might say (because anyone with an IQ above 130 speaks solely in one-liners and 'zingers', apparently. Not in my experience, but whateverrrrr).

    How the fuck anyone with an IQ above 80 watches that bilge is beyond me, but I do realise that tastes are highly subjective (I'm about to watch the latest eps of "Fear the Walking Dead" and "Westworld", so, y'know... pot, this is kettle: how copy over?).
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  4. TheJester says:

    Fred, an excellent article.

    However, haven’t you heard? A female scientist has declared that it’s time to stop arguing about “facts” in science (you know, having recourse to evidence) and reach a consensus about what are scientific “facts”. The focus will be on consensus rather than research.

    This sounds like the LIKE button on Facebook. You count up the number of LIKES on an issue … and at some point, there is consensus; it becomes a “fact”. Of course, we know we don’t even have to count the number of LIKES to know most outcomes: there is no such thing as race; gender is a social construct; differences in IQ are attributable to the accidents of nutrition and medical care. “Facts”, therefore, reflect the social conditions of the ongoing class, race, and gender struggles. To understand “science”, one has to first understand the struggles.

    I know a number of men of high intelligence (some of them on the Unz Review) who have stated that women tend to be conformists. This helps us understand their worldview. But, seriously! Isn’t it about time that scientists stopped arguing and started conforming to a consensus about what are and what are not “scientific facts”? Why are people being so difficult?

    On second thought, didn’t the Soviet Union try something like this? Wasn’t it called “Soviet Science” to make sure it reflected the social conditions of the class struggle? Only “scientists” who recognized this and conformed to the political consensus were allowed to practice.

    Here we go again …

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    • Replies: @sayless
    Women are conformists

    I'm not. I asked around.

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  5. How can any American kid, white, black, or Hispanic compete with a Chinese student when there are Friday night football games, and Saturday night bar scenes to attend. Would you, Fred, could you spend your whole weekend studying mathematics and chemistry at the expense of beautiful, provocative, sultry, flirtatious, tempting and irresistible young American women. If you were a youngster in today’s America?

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    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
    Indeed Fred. You sure wouldn't want to pass these irresistible American gals up, now would ya?

    https://www.google.es/search?q=pussy+hat+ugly+women&rlz=1T4VSNH_enUS777US777&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjmkuvn0q7bAhVFXKwKHT0HCeoQ_AUICigB&biw=1440&bih=719#imgrc=GGtLcZVSWImfwM:&spf=1527724917603
    , @Realist

    How can any American kid, white, black, or Hispanic compete with a Chinese student when there are Friday night football games, and Saturday night bar scenes to attend.
     
    The intelligent ones will.
    , @Intelligent Dasein
    I had a lot more fun on Friday nights staying home reading an old O-chem textbook than I ever did at the bar scene. A still, starry night, a glass of brandy, and a slice of being to contemplate. Those are the times that stick with you.
    , @Dr. X

    How can any American kid, white, black, or Hispanic compete with a Chinese student when there are Friday night football games, and Saturday night bar scenes to attend.
     
    I have a vivid memory from grad school 25 years ago. I was leaving the library at 11:00 Friday night as the place was closing down. It was practically a ghost town at that hour... as I walked out of the near-deserted library I passed a Chinese kid, alone at a row of empty tables with an open textbook in front of him --- with his face planted in it, sound asleep...
    , @Mj
    If you want to see women with the qualities you cite then visit Seoul, visit Moscow, visit Riga.

    Who are these American grrrls you describe? Amerigirrrls are irresistible? Good grief. By irresistible do you mean cartoonish levels of narcissism coupled with gag-inducing BMIs?

    Kudos to the Chinese boy who studies on Saturday night. He’s not missing out on a damn thing. If American white kids want to party their youth away then do so, by all means. But, when the excitements of youth fade, and those white kids grow up to become overweight forty-somethings with BA in Psychology pulling in a whopping 32K per year I hope they blame themselves and not the tide from the east.

    , @anonymous
    I'm not Fred.

    And, no, I wouldn't.

    Which is why I'm not a scientist or a tekkie.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    The women in the bar scene usually are a little light on the irresistable side and a little bit heavy on the scale.
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  6. Blacks contribute nothing and Hispanics, to date anyway, very little

    Wait, what? Who is this writer and what have you done with Fred Reed? He loves to tell us about First World Mexico, about how they know how to do stuff like operate and repair ATM machines. (When they’re not kidnapping people using them I guess)

    If this is Reed, is he backtracking?

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    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    a) Mr. Reed wasn't paying attention and hit [SUBMIT] too quickly.

    b) Mrs. Reed is too busy to be on the internet this week.

    c) Mr. Reed means the hispanics in his country, not America. They've not been sending their best, but we should keep letting them break in, per Mr. Reed.
    , @Herman
    Are you guys men or girlie men with your snarky remarks? What a couple of self-satisfied imbeciles.
    , @Anatoly Karlin
    It's not all that dissonant from the rest of his work.

    Reed - Hispanics create functional societies, most of Latin America is perfectly fine to live in, Hispanic crime in the US is not a major problem.

    - all correct

    Reed - The US needs to imports tens of millions more Hispanics [insert some boomer strawman argument about how stupid and uninformed Alt Righters are]

    - not correct, but not incorrect either; just an emotional, "truthy" argument that derives from Reed's specific brand of Mexican nationalism.
    It's a nationalism that I find very bizarre and frankly cargo cultish - why on Earth would any self-respecting Mexican want to center his nationalism around the United States and what those pendejos do and think? - but we all have our ideological eccentricities.

    Reed - "Blacks contribute nothing and Hispanics, to date anyway, very little"

    - also correct. Also, ultimately Reed is an IQ realist, and while say an 8 point IQ difference certainly doesn't preclude civilization, it does mean scientific innovation will be very low in these groups due to the Law of Smart Fractions.
    , @Thomm

    If this is Reed, is he backtracking?

     

    er... Fred Reed is a useful shock troop in Ron Unz's master plan to destroy White Trashionalists, as described here :

    http://www.unz.com/freed/mexican-wall-blues-and-some-other-stuff/#comment-2345343

    Fred Reed's specific role is to confuse WNs, ensuring that they self-subdue.

    I am strongly in support of what Ron Unz is doing. The WN wiggers still can't figure out what is obvious to normal people.

    , @nebulafox
    Muslims in the ghettos of Europe are generally far more dysfunctional than Muslims in the at least reasonably developed sections of Muslim World. I suspect that there's a similar dynamic going on here between Mexican Mexicans, who live in a reasonably developed if messy country, and the less well-performing migrants, who tend to be heavily working class, much like their Muslim counterparts in Europe. Ghettoized, heavily working or underclass minorities are, with few exceptions, a headache for a more affluent, educated host nation, no matter what their skin color or creed is.

    Note that El Salvador, Guatemala, Puerto Rico, etc, are way, way poorer and more dysfunctional than Mexico, and Hispanic immigration has also been heavy from those areas-which unlike Mexico, have far less direct history and interaction with the US, leading to less assimilation. Note also that such nations tend to be far more split between the indigenous many and creole white oligarchs, whereas Mexico has far more of a broad spectrum caused by large scale European (and more recently, Korean and Lebanese) immigration.

    I've been to Mexico, although I've never lived there, unlike Fred Reed, so take my words with a grain of salt. My honest impression, from my admittedly limited experience, is that I'd put Mexico around Thailand's level, development wise. A little below the likes of Malaysia or Spain or the Southern Cone, more further below the likes of Taiwan or Finland or the ROK, but decidedly above lower-middle class nations (Indonesia, Vietnam, Colombia), let alone genuinely poor ones (the Philippines, the subcontinent, Central America and the Caribbean). It's pretty solidly middle of the pack, globally speaking, perhaps at the lower-rungs of the upper-middle class. I mean, life expectancy in Mexico has shot up over the past several decades. Mexico's birth-rates have plummeted. Starvation was a big part of life for your average Mexican peasant as recently as 50 years ago: that's not the case anymore. No more stupid diseases, a general base line of public health, etc. There's a mass, solid middle class in Mexico, very much unlike in, say, Guatemala. Freedom of the press is generally respected unless they go after the wrong people too hard, etc. Mexico's developing IT and tech sectors, in particular, are booming and are starting to attract foreign (including American) talent. And there's no reason to think, barring a catastrophe, this won't continue until Mexico becomes a top 10 economy in the coming decades.

    The people are Catholic, speak a European language, are partially (or for upper-bourgeois and higher Mexicans, fully so) European, and given a reasonable base line of education and skills, can assimilate quite well into American culture. There are a host of leftists with a stake in making this not happen and turning them into another ghettoized minority, we really don't need to be joining them. Rovian fantasies about combining Chamber of Commerce fantasies with amnesty are ludicrous, of course, not least because, again, the migrants tend to be heavily working class. But a more socioeconomically sane Republican Party ("how can we make the market work for average Americans and set up a real meritocracy with yeoman independence rather than the neo-feudal phony meritocracy of the Democrats?") could exploit the fault lines in the Democratic coalition that are inevitably starting to form, and with an eye toward an assimilation, upworldy mobile future in which the Democrats remain the party of the resentful fringes.

    Now, none of this is to say everything is hunky-dory in Mexico. Entrenched corruption is omnipresent, and a large part of why the PRI looks to be in trouble this election season. The police are not much better than the criminals in Mexico. The political elite are largely untouched by law, much like in Thailand: they can get away with nonsense (like assassinating populists they don't like) that makes the American bipartisan political elite quite jealous (hence their enthusiasm to merge us further with Mexico). The line between government official and criminal underground is sometimes quite blurry. Neo-feudal income stratification and lack of mobility, despite recent advances, is still a major issue, and part of the reason the Mexican government is obsessed with keeping illegal immigrants going to the US (quite hypocritically, given their own treatment of illegal immigrants) is fear of what would happen if the underclass grows too big and the Mexican economy explodes. Much like Argentina, it can be fragile.

    (Mexican culture is also openly "Euro-normative", or whatever the SJWs call it these days, to a degree that many liberals seem to have a hard time fathoming. Naturally, this is because treat brown-skinned people as abstractions meant to show off their own progressiveness rather than... actual human beings, capable of all the hypocrisies, nastiness, and fragilities of the breed. To say that Mexicans can have less than PC views about blacks and Central Americans is an understatement.)

    That said, the alt-right's view of Mexico as this third world hellhole is ludicrous. There are real third world hellholes right to the south and east of Mexico, if you want a good comparison. The only thing that makes Mexico stand out from the likes of Thailand and Malaysia are the absurd crime rates (caused in part by the War on Drugs), but generally speaking, the narcos are far more interested in making their own people miserable than foreigners. The only exception to this are potential foreign millionaire hostages, but hey, they have the money to hire security, and judging from their own plans to make the USA more like Mexico, they'd better get used to doing that. Maybe they could talk to Carlos Slim.

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  7. @Bragadocious
    Blacks contribute nothing and Hispanics, to date anyway, very little

    Wait, what? Who is this writer and what have you done with Fred Reed? He loves to tell us about First World Mexico, about how they know how to do stuff like operate and repair ATM machines. (When they're not kidnapping people using them I guess)

    If this is Reed, is he backtracking?

    a) Mr. Reed wasn’t paying attention and hit [SUBMIT] too quickly.

    b) Mrs. Reed is too busy to be on the internet this week.

    c) Mr. Reed means the hispanics in his country, not America. They’ve not been sending their best, but we should keep letting them break in, per Mr. Reed.

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  8. Herman says:
    @Bragadocious
    Blacks contribute nothing and Hispanics, to date anyway, very little

    Wait, what? Who is this writer and what have you done with Fred Reed? He loves to tell us about First World Mexico, about how they know how to do stuff like operate and repair ATM machines. (When they're not kidnapping people using them I guess)

    If this is Reed, is he backtracking?

    Are you guys men or girlie men with your snarky remarks? What a couple of self-satisfied imbeciles.

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    I think they are a bunch of faggy SJWs.
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  9. Perhaps there is a market for STEM universities outside the U.S. that will admit exclusively on merit and no other criteria. Assuming that China does not collapse from within (they have a seriously over-leveraged banking system), is it not possible that American students might try to get into Chinese and other Asian universities around 2035 because the diversicrats have utterly destroyed ours?

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    In the long term, maybe. In the short term, right now lots of non-Western universities have affirmative action of their own for international students, to boost their US News & World Report & Times Higher Education rankings (since the rankings started to place more weight on "proportion of international students" as a proxy for quality of education), and it's really not good for their brand names.
    , @bomag

    Perhaps there is a market for STEM universities outside the U.S. that will admit exclusively on merit and no other criteria.
     
    A better way forward might be online learning coupled with proctored testing.

    Foreign universities face the same pozzed influences as here.

    Since higher ed is mostly signalling your worthiness to join the Swamp/Cathedral, most countries; China especially; are pretty cagey about letting it be a springboard into their inner sanctums.
    , @JMcG
    Do you seriously expect China to take space away from Chinese students and give them to Americans? They would never stoop to our level of madness, especially as the object lesson we are currently giving plays out.
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VaP1HB7Vew
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  11. …and Hispanics, to date anyway, very little

    Got any hard data on that?

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    Got any hard data to disprove him?
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  12. Good point in the article, but I would add that it isn’t just smartness, competency, rigor that made the US a powerhouse, it was also the freedom and spirt of creativity and entrepreneurship. And that, too, is being strangled in the West. However, it may be just as strangled in the East. China is a totalitarian state that just recently has given everyone a social credit score so that they may be monitored and punished for thoughts and speech that is not acceptable.

    This is hardly a recipe for freewheeling free thought and innovation. The Asians have always been very good at copying the innovations created in the West. Smarter or not, they are followers.

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  13. @Thorfinnsson
    How much of this scientific output is actually of any consequence? And of that which is of any consequence, are the gains captured by America? You know, those sneaky oriental copycats and all that.

    Of more import may be the achievements in engineering, which can be crudely quantified by triadic patent grants. Intellectual property revenues, less media and brands, are also relevant.

    Well, as you point out, measuring this is hard. Patents statistics exist ofc but as you’re well aware they are inflated by blatant, mass-scale IP hogging in the East Asian countries.

    In any case, since whites seem to have an advantage in innovation, while Asians are more proficient in improvement, all else equal it would appear that a technologically stagnant world will be one in which Asians are relatively more powerful than they would otherwise be.

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    Patents statistics exist ofc but as you’re well aware they are inflated by blatant, mass-scale IP hogging in the East Asian countries.
     
    I worked in software. It's mind boggling the kind of stuff we apply for patents for in the US, even the most mundane design change for a scrollbar or a flyout menu will try to apply for a patent. Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
    , @Rdm
    Yea, right,

    A white guy draw a square, patented as Punnett square.
    A white guy invented a light house, given a Nobel Prize Gustaf Dalén.
    A white guy drew a conclusion between Malaria and Mosquitoes after visiting India, given a Nobel Prize Ronald Ross.

    The entire Chinese coolies built a transcontinental railroad, not a single symbol of achievement.
    Chinese invented a toilet paper. Not a single patent.
    Chinese invented umbrella, not a single patent.

    You guys keep spewing out fake patents, over bloated patents coming from East Asia? Be prepared for a similar approach taken by EuroWhites back in the olden days.

    Welcome to 21st century.
    , @Anonymous
    Whites do not have an advantage in innovation.

    You can say whites had an advantage in the last 200 years or so, but that is based on a lot of things beside something that is inate.
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  14. @Bragadocious
    Blacks contribute nothing and Hispanics, to date anyway, very little

    Wait, what? Who is this writer and what have you done with Fred Reed? He loves to tell us about First World Mexico, about how they know how to do stuff like operate and repair ATM machines. (When they're not kidnapping people using them I guess)

    If this is Reed, is he backtracking?

    It’s not all that dissonant from the rest of his work.

    Reed – Hispanics create functional societies, most of Latin America is perfectly fine to live in, Hispanic crime in the US is not a major problem.

    - all correct

    Reed – The US needs to imports tens of millions more Hispanics [insert some boomer strawman argument about how stupid and uninformed Alt Righters are]

    - not correct, but not incorrect either; just an emotional, “truthy” argument that derives from Reed’s specific brand of Mexican nationalism.
    It’s a nationalism that I find very bizarre and frankly cargo cultish – why on Earth would any self-respecting Mexican want to center his nationalism around the United States and what those pendejos do and think? – but we all have our ideological eccentricities.

    Reed – “Blacks contribute nothing and Hispanics, to date anyway, very little”

    - also correct. Also, ultimately Reed is an IQ realist, and while say an 8 point IQ difference certainly doesn’t preclude civilization, it does mean scientific innovation will be very low in these groups due to the Law of Smart Fractions.

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    ... most of Latin America is perfectly fine to live in,
     
    No, Mr. Karlin, most of Latin America is NOT perfectly fine to live in. It IS for the 1-5% wealthy people, the ones you may know from there. I know quite a few very bright guys FROM Latin America. Did you notice I wrote "FROM" Latin America, for emphasis. Why would 30,000,000 people from Mexicao and C. America alone have come here, if Latin America is a "perfectly fine place to live"?

    Most people are poor and besides some of the bright spots like Uruaguay, parts of Argentina and Chile (that would have previously included Caracas, Venezuala before the Commies), it's just plain 3rd world, meaning not much of a middle class - guys and families that have disposable income to use to improve their communities.

    The economies down there go up and down, Commies and military juntas come and go, and it's because the general personality traits of the average people don't consist of honesty and integrity. Those countries are hardly ever run worth a damn - doesn't that make you wonder why?

    Maybe all you've seen are the best parts of the big cities, Mr. Karlin. What I want to emphasize, regarding the writer Fred Reed is that he is living in Mexico as an expat, not a Mexican, on the US Dollar, not the Mexican peso. That's a nice way to do it until the dollar goes down the toilet (spoiler alert - it will).

    Don't get me wrong - there'd be plenty of things to appreciate down there as an American leaving the current warmongering US Police State behind. It's no picnic down there living as an actual Latin American, either. The grass is always greener, Gringo.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    My opinion on Fred Reed's newfound Mexicanity and promotion of all things Mexico is this: It make him feel lots better about his decision to leave the US almost completely behind (he has one or more children here).

    Additionally, he's no spring chicken and its easy to forget things... things like what does make Americans (NOT American Feral Gov't, just plain Americans) good people. Hey, you read the internet all day long and see how you feel about people. Fred can go outside and hang with Mexicans and enjoy it, but all he knows about Americans anymore is from reading political dealings, websites, tweets, what-have-you and that all can paint whatever bleak kind of picture you want it to.

    Another thing is that Mr. Reed's dealing with US Feral Gov't are most likely with Immigration/Customs agents upon entry, and worse yet, the TSA. They are not the funnest bunch, nor the brightest, and the impression is indeed of a police state that nobody in his right mind would want to live in. I don't want to deal with ANYONE from the Feral Gov't but the TSA is tops.

    My warning to Fred and other ex-pats is this: Put your money in other currencies including REAL MONEY and/or get the wife to buy some property. Make sure you've got a deep tan for when the shit hits the fan.
    , @Bragadocious
    why on Earth would any self-respecting Mexican want to center his nationalism around the United States and what those pendejos do and think?

    It's not just Reed; did you check out the recent debate between the four presidential candidates in Mexico? It was all Yanqui, all the time. You'd think they had no other problems besides the Orange Hitler. I think one candidate briefly mentioned Mexican government corruption. There was an awkward silence. Then it was back to...more Trump bashing.
    , @Frederick V. Reed
    Anatoly Karlin: "Reed – The US needs to imports tens of millions more Hispanics [insert some boomer strawman argument about how stupid and uninformed Alt Righters are]"

    Karlin appears to be a lock-step thinker who reads what he expects rather than what is written. I have said endlessly that mass immigration was a mistake, that America should close its border and assimilate those immigratnts who cannot be deported. This turns into "Fred wants to import millions...." Where does he get this stuff? It is a sort of illiteracy of the higly literate. And confirms my views of Alt-Righters.
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  15. Wally says:

    said:
    “so that they may be monitored and punished for thoughts and speech that is not acceptable.”

    You could just as easily be talking about Europe and the US.

    “Smarter or not, they are followers.”

    Can’t say that still holds true. Why would they want to follow The West over the cliff.

    Like the Russians, they can just sit back and watch us destroy ourselves without lifting a finger.

    Cheers.

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  16. Dr. Doom says:

    China has no sense of honor. Their business is China. Their bank is Chinese. The Rothschild Monopoly is hitting the Great Wall of “you not Chinese muthafucka”. They sell missiles to Iran. They make deals with Russia.

    IS IT GOOD FOR CHINA?

    Chinese keep agreements as long as it BENEFITS THEM. After that. Poof!
    No contract exists.
    Sure there are tribe there. Not enough.
    They don’t call them the “Jews” of Asia for NOTHING.

    THE WHITE MAN CAN LEARN SOMETHING FROM CHINA.

    Loss of habitat, and Anti-White lawfare. The ethnic scattering of Whites was due to their success.
    Watch it go away when the old lesson comes into play.
    THE COMMON THREAT TO ALL.

    EXCELLENT. Not the Roman Legions. Not the Empires. Not the Economic Ties.
    It didn’t bring all the Whites into ONE HOUSE.

    You’d be AMAZED what a COMMON THREAT TO ALL CAN DO.

    HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE, BATMAN!!!

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    "China has no sense of honor. Their business is China. Their bank is Chinese. The Rothschild Monopoly is hitting the Great Wall of “you not Chinese muthafucka”. They sell missiles to Iran. They make deals with Russia.

    IS IT GOOD FOR CHINA?"

    There is a whole series of posts someone could make analyzing this issue, and what it could mean down the road.

    Instead we are gonna talk about Mexicans.
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  17. “Boeing sells airliners, and provides jobs to Americans, only because its airliners are technically equal to those of AirBus. A lowering of technical capacity will have unfortunate consequences for the country.”

    Don’t worry, the Europeans are on the way to getting on the dumbing-down bandwagon.

    A couple years back I had dinner with a couple older German who, very much enamoured with Mutti M., expressed great joy that Germany was getting so many good doctors and engineers from Syria. That was the party-line broadcast on ARD, ZDF, N24, etc.

    Now that they have several million migrants, they have to do something with them. They can’t all go to Deutsche Post.

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  18. Biff says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    How much of this scientific output is actually of any consequence? And of that which is of any consequence, are the gains captured by America? You know, those sneaky oriental copycats and all that.

    Of more import may be the achievements in engineering, which can be crudely quantified by triadic patent grants. Intellectual property revenues, less media and brands, are also relevant.

    I really am enjoying that fake Yeti cup I paid four dollars for. When the Orientals start copycating monopolies, I’ll start to worry then.

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  19. @Anatoly Karlin
    It's not all that dissonant from the rest of his work.

    Reed - Hispanics create functional societies, most of Latin America is perfectly fine to live in, Hispanic crime in the US is not a major problem.

    - all correct

    Reed - The US needs to imports tens of millions more Hispanics [insert some boomer strawman argument about how stupid and uninformed Alt Righters are]

    - not correct, but not incorrect either; just an emotional, "truthy" argument that derives from Reed's specific brand of Mexican nationalism.
    It's a nationalism that I find very bizarre and frankly cargo cultish - why on Earth would any self-respecting Mexican want to center his nationalism around the United States and what those pendejos do and think? - but we all have our ideological eccentricities.

    Reed - "Blacks contribute nothing and Hispanics, to date anyway, very little"

    - also correct. Also, ultimately Reed is an IQ realist, and while say an 8 point IQ difference certainly doesn't preclude civilization, it does mean scientific innovation will be very low in these groups due to the Law of Smart Fractions.

    … most of Latin America is perfectly fine to live in,

    No, Mr. Karlin, most of Latin America is NOT perfectly fine to live in. It IS for the 1-5% wealthy people, the ones you may know from there. I know quite a few very bright guys FROM Latin America. Did you notice I wrote “FROM” Latin America, for emphasis. Why would 30,000,000 people from Mexicao and C. America alone have come here, if Latin America is a “perfectly fine place to live”?

    Most people are poor and besides some of the bright spots like Uruaguay, parts of Argentina and Chile (that would have previously included Caracas, Venezuala before the Commies), it’s just plain 3rd world, meaning not much of a middle class – guys and families that have disposable income to use to improve their communities.

    The economies down there go up and down, Commies and military juntas come and go, and it’s because the general personality traits of the average people don’t consist of honesty and integrity. Those countries are hardly ever run worth a damn – doesn’t that make you wonder why?

    Maybe all you’ve seen are the best parts of the big cities, Mr. Karlin. What I want to emphasize, regarding the writer Fred Reed is that he is living in Mexico as an expat, not a Mexican, on the US Dollar, not the Mexican peso. That’s a nice way to do it until the dollar goes down the toilet (spoiler alert – it will).

    Don’t get me wrong – there’d be plenty of things to appreciate down there as an American leaving the current warmongering US Police State behind. It’s no picnic down there living as an actual Latin American, either. The grass is always greener, Gringo.

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    Right. However true it may be that most of Latin America isn't a Juarez torture house, it seems there should at least be an asterisk footnoting that countries like Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador have essentially amounted to 500-year-long Mayan sacrifice rituals writ large. Nice digs for psychopathic caudillos and hitmen but no kind of place to raise a family, at least not of humans.
    , @wrd9
    Well said. As you mentioned, Latin America is functional for the 5%. Here's a few articles about Argentina, one about its 2001 crisis, one a couple of years old, and one from an Argentinian about daily life during the crisis and afterwards. Is this a country we want to live in or have the US turn into? During the Great Depression, Americans kept it together. If it happens again, the result will be Argentinian in nature. A reflection of the diversity in the US and the ensuing degraded culture. If you import people from corrupt low social capital/low trust countries, you get Argentina or Brazil.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/argentina/1404657/Deadly-crimewave-sweeps-Argentina.html
    http://www.americasquarterly.org/content/maria-eugenia-vidal-and-other-buenos-aires
    http://ferfal.blogspot.com/search/label/Argentine%20Collapse
    , @Wally
    Yep, all those Latin American 'migrants' are really just a mirage.
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  20. @Anatoly Karlin
    It's not all that dissonant from the rest of his work.

    Reed - Hispanics create functional societies, most of Latin America is perfectly fine to live in, Hispanic crime in the US is not a major problem.

    - all correct

    Reed - The US needs to imports tens of millions more Hispanics [insert some boomer strawman argument about how stupid and uninformed Alt Righters are]

    - not correct, but not incorrect either; just an emotional, "truthy" argument that derives from Reed's specific brand of Mexican nationalism.
    It's a nationalism that I find very bizarre and frankly cargo cultish - why on Earth would any self-respecting Mexican want to center his nationalism around the United States and what those pendejos do and think? - but we all have our ideological eccentricities.

    Reed - "Blacks contribute nothing and Hispanics, to date anyway, very little"

    - also correct. Also, ultimately Reed is an IQ realist, and while say an 8 point IQ difference certainly doesn't preclude civilization, it does mean scientific innovation will be very low in these groups due to the Law of Smart Fractions.

    My opinion on Fred Reed’s newfound Mexicanity and promotion of all things Mexico is this: It make him feel lots better about his decision to leave the US almost completely behind (he has one or more children here).

    Additionally, he’s no spring chicken and its easy to forget things… things like what does make Americans (NOT American Feral Gov’t, just plain Americans) good people. Hey, you read the internet all day long and see how you feel about people. Fred can go outside and hang with Mexicans and enjoy it, but all he knows about Americans anymore is from reading political dealings, websites, tweets, what-have-you and that all can paint whatever bleak kind of picture you want it to.

    Another thing is that Mr. Reed’s dealing with US Feral Gov’t are most likely with Immigration/Customs agents upon entry, and worse yet, the TSA. They are not the funnest bunch, nor the brightest, and the impression is indeed of a police state that nobody in his right mind would want to live in. I don’t want to deal with ANYONE from the Feral Gov’t but the TSA is tops.

    My warning to Fred and other ex-pats is this: Put your money in other currencies including REAL MONEY and/or get the wife to buy some property. Make sure you’ve got a deep tan for when the shit hits the fan.

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  21. anon[161] • Disclaimer says:

    No, Mr. Karlin, most of Latin America is NOT perfectly fine to live in. It IS for the 1-5% wealthy people, the ones you may know from there.

    If you have traveled south of the border, you see how people live and what they must do to survive. The average keyboard warrior does not appreciate how daily life near a favela, colonia or shantytown or other area can make one flee to the relative safety behind high walls, sturdy gates and alarm systems. If only there were some way to see a Google Street View of those casas y avenidas. Unzistas from Mexico and South America please weigh in.

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  22. Blacks contribute nothing and Hispanics, to date anyway, very little

    “To date anyway”?!

    Fred has really jumped the shark. It seems that he’s now a believer in the magic dirt theory, at least as regards Hispanics. Yep, any second now, these people are going to transmogrify into doctors and engineers.

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    True enough.

    Need proof?

    Just look at US TV commercials & dumb Spielberg movies; black & brown surgeons, engineers, physicists, & symphony orchestra conductors galore.

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  23. Big AL says:
    @Hannah Katz
    Maybe Sheldon Cooper was right when he characterized MIT as little more than a trade school.

    What do you mean litte more than a trade school? Every thing in life as far as work is concerned is a trade or a profession .What you are impling is some people are much more important than others maybe like you.

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  24. @Anatoly Karlin
    It's not all that dissonant from the rest of his work.

    Reed - Hispanics create functional societies, most of Latin America is perfectly fine to live in, Hispanic crime in the US is not a major problem.

    - all correct

    Reed - The US needs to imports tens of millions more Hispanics [insert some boomer strawman argument about how stupid and uninformed Alt Righters are]

    - not correct, but not incorrect either; just an emotional, "truthy" argument that derives from Reed's specific brand of Mexican nationalism.
    It's a nationalism that I find very bizarre and frankly cargo cultish - why on Earth would any self-respecting Mexican want to center his nationalism around the United States and what those pendejos do and think? - but we all have our ideological eccentricities.

    Reed - "Blacks contribute nothing and Hispanics, to date anyway, very little"

    - also correct. Also, ultimately Reed is an IQ realist, and while say an 8 point IQ difference certainly doesn't preclude civilization, it does mean scientific innovation will be very low in these groups due to the Law of Smart Fractions.

    why on Earth would any self-respecting Mexican want to center his nationalism around the United States and what those pendejos do and think?

    It’s not just Reed; did you check out the recent debate between the four presidential candidates in Mexico? It was all Yanqui, all the time. You’d think they had no other problems besides the Orange Hitler. I think one candidate briefly mentioned Mexican government corruption. There was an awkward silence. Then it was back to…more Trump bashing.

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    The Mexican Congress, see any brown ones?

    https://www.vosizneias.com/assets/uploads/news_photos/thumbnails/600_velbbsqa1abaemdvdohe1pwyilzloavq.jpg

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  25. Joe862 says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    It's worth noting that Japan seems to have topped out at no more than 20% of US elite level scientific output; South Korea, at well less than 10%.

    Consequently, Chinese scientific output may top out at no more than double that of the US, despite having more than quadruple the population.

    Of course this doesn't apply so much if the US continues to decline, due to adverse demographic changes and SJWization.

    I find the claim that 1,000,000,000 Chinese have average iq of 106 hard to believe. I haven’t spent a lot of time researching but from what I can find the average Asian American has an iq around 106. I don’t find that hard to believe at all since so many of the ones that come here are among the elites in their countries of origin. Is it really possible that china, with a gdp per capita of 8k, has a really good idea of what the average iq of essentially all of their school children is? Are we talking about an average where a lot of the rural poor aren’t tested? Is it likely that the Chinese government knows and is telling the truth about this when they don’t tell the truth about anything else?

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    It's almost certain that they're not testing a proper cross-section of their population and that it's only specific elite regions which reach ~106 or higher. Yes, they aren't as prosperous as the South Koreans and Japanese but both of them had western stewardship in building up to where they are now and there could also be behavioral biology differences that contribute to this. China just seems like it has a shit ton of corruption to the point where people in Hong Kong really actually miss being governed by relatively incorruptible English governors. Japan doesn't really seem to have this kind of problem to anywhere near this extent and there's just a difference in how those people act in comparison to each other.
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  26. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    It will just amount to a bit of tokenism.

    Add a Negro here and there to show off as the face of black genius.

    But the core operation will be in hands of those who know the stuff.

    It’s about Diversity icing on the cake.

    I mean… would Google really want idiots to do programming?
    No, but it will add just enough spice to show off that it is ‘diverse’.

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    Tom Arnold just estimated the immediate loss to ABC for its kneejerk cancellation of Rosanne Barr's show at $1 billion.

    And we just watched Google never even blink as it drove straight into the headlights of a possible class action lawsuit and a guaranteed one from James Damore.

    Diversity's altar must run with fresh blood no matter the cost.

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  27. @RealAmerican
    How can any American kid, white, black, or Hispanic compete with a Chinese student when there are Friday night football games, and Saturday night bar scenes to attend. Would you, Fred, could you spend your whole weekend studying mathematics and chemistry at the expense of beautiful, provocative, sultry, flirtatious, tempting and irresistible young American women. If you were a youngster in today's America?
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  28. KenH says:

    I was watching FOX about twenty minutes ago and lo and behold Tucker Carlson was debating a Democratic strategist named (((Goodstein))) about discrimination based on race. It appeared Tucker was trying to bait Goodstein into admitting that discrimination against whites is wrong and immoral. But no, Cucker then started wailing about how Asians are being discriminated against at Harvard based on their race.

    No mention of the fact that if anyone is being discriminated it’s non-Hispanic, non-Jewish whites who are only about 22% of the Harvard student body while being 61% of the general population while Asians are almost 17% of the Harvard student body while only comprising 5% of the general population. Whites used to dominate the Ivy league until race based admissions that ruthlessly discriminate against whites.

    Non-whites made up 51% of Harvard’s incoming freshman class despite being only 40% of the general population:

    https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/08/02/harvard-incoming-class-majority-nonwhite/5yOoqrsQ4SePRRNFemuQ2M/story.html

    Whites are getting shafted pretty much everywhere in “white privileged” America.

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  29. sayless says:
    @TheJester
    Fred, an excellent article.

    However, haven't you heard? A female scientist has declared that it's time to stop arguing about "facts" in science (you know, having recourse to evidence) and reach a consensus about what are scientific "facts". The focus will be on consensus rather than research.

    This sounds like the LIKE button on Facebook. You count up the number of LIKES on an issue ... and at some point, there is consensus; it becomes a "fact". Of course, we know we don't even have to count the number of LIKES to know most outcomes: there is no such thing as race; gender is a social construct; differences in IQ are attributable to the accidents of nutrition and medical care. "Facts", therefore, reflect the social conditions of the ongoing class, race, and gender struggles. To understand "science", one has to first understand the struggles.

    I know a number of men of high intelligence (some of them on the Unz Review) who have stated that women tend to be conformists. This helps us understand their worldview. But, seriously! Isn't it about time that scientists stopped arguing and started conforming to a consensus about what are and what are not "scientific facts"? Why are people being so difficult?

    On second thought, didn't the Soviet Union try something like this? Wasn't it called "Soviet Science" to make sure it reflected the social conditions of the class struggle? Only "scientists" who recognized this and conformed to the political consensus were allowed to practice.

    Here we go again ...

    Women are conformists

    I’m not. I asked around.

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    Women are conformists

    I’m not. I asked around
     
    .

    Moi non plus. But people don't admire non-conformity in women and girls. Women may want a safer place because of kids and their own limitations. But quite frankly, men don't want wild, wild wimmen.
    Or at least not too often.
    , @myself

    I’m not. I asked around.
     
    You "asked around"?

    Doesn't that mean that you care what others think?

    If you care what others think, doesn't that then mean you're a con . . . . ah hell, never mind.
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  30. dcite says:
    @sayless
    Women are conformists

    I'm not. I asked around.

    Women are conformists

    I’m not. I asked around

    .

    Moi non plus. But people don’t admire non-conformity in women and girls. Women may want a safer place because of kids and their own limitations. But quite frankly, men don’t want wild, wild wimmen.
    Or at least not too often.

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  31. Plainman says: • Website

    Much of the “work in STEM fields (science, technology, engineering, and mathematics) in America is done by” people whose ancestors were Asians from India, China, and Japan. These important contributions are from non-whites.

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    Obviously, you have never worked in engineering or any STEM field for that matter. Asians are over represented as a percentage of the population in the general STEM workforce but not at the higher levels where patents and new technologies come from.
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  32. “But quite frankly, men don’t want wild, wild wimmen.”

    Only for an evening or two. Month tops.

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  33. J. Dart says:
    @Abelard Lindsey
    Perhaps there is a market for STEM universities outside the U.S. that will admit exclusively on merit and no other criteria. Assuming that China does not collapse from within (they have a seriously over-leveraged banking system), is it not possible that American students might try to get into Chinese and other Asian universities around 2035 because the diversicrats have utterly destroyed ours?

    In the long term, maybe. In the short term, right now lots of non-Western universities have affirmative action of their own for international students, to boost their US News & World Report & Times Higher Education rankings (since the rankings started to place more weight on “proportion of international students” as a proxy for quality of education), and it’s really not good for their brand names.

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  34. j says: • Website

    I understand Fred’s facts and arguments, but I do not share his conclusions or recommendations. The dilution the science content of science classes and the consequent granting of fake science diplomas is (1) unavoidable and (2) does not harm real science. (1) it is a necessary price to relax social stress and promote social peace. No country can allow having a large segment of its population excluded from elite positions, and there must an open way to honorably co-opt some of them. (2) The dumb scientist do little actual harm, because they are dumb per definition, and they are politely distanced from positions where they could do actual harm, of which there are few to none in research fields. Personally, I have experienced this things twice in my life. Once in Communist Hungary, when the teacher introduced to our elite class a group of blond children and made them sit in the front benches. We were told to be friendly and help these newcomers, because they were from proletarian politically correct families (we were not). They did not reduce the individual IQ of any of the class, and averages mean nothing. Mr Reed, be a generous Southern gentleman, not a bitter curmudgeon.

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    i would challenge the "unavoidable" press here. Since I bemoan the gutting of AA as intended and as originally designed. It is false that any program admit unqualified blacks or lowered their standards to admit them. what traditional educational facilities had done was fail to recruit qualified african americans -- their policies were insular. And in many cases of was revealed that qualified blacks were dismissed on the basis of color. In other-words, they recruited whites above qualified blacks , even unqualified whites were accepted. The goal of AA was never to lower standard.

    And while it has been great excuse among whites for all manner of complaint -- there was never a demand for lowered standards -- that has been done in multiple arenas for women and by women, i am speaking largely of white women. Your press reinforces the unqualified black mantra to blame for lowered standards -- despite the press that it doesn't matter.

    Whether or not it hurts science or the society in general is hard to weigh -- it may very well help, but to know we would need to examine the results and impact of the work of the so called "dumb" scientists from the smart scientists. i am not convinced that the ozone layer "bubbling oceans" scare scenario was the work of dumb scientists of smart scientists.


    The price for social peace is to avoid artificial barriers to full participation -- fairness. I tend to think people get it -- all things being fair - will not get equal returns for everyone. The problem has been our failure to work towards "all things being fair."


    I can't give one kid a gocart with four wheels and another kid a cart with two and claim that upon entering the competition -- it's fair and proceed to make all manner of excuse why it is fair while ignoring the obvious disparity and worse blaming the kid who was denied access to building a car with four wheels wheels.

    , @EliteCommInc.
    I think there are plenty os salience here in applying this analysis to something like social "saftey nets".
    , @megabar
    > The dilution the science content of science classes and the consequent granting of fake science diplomas is (1) unavoidable and (2) does not harm real science.

    There is a degree of truth to this in the short term, but ultimately it is this type of thinking that ends up causing problems. When we fail to account for subtle long-term effects, we introduce harmful, hard-to-reverse problems.

    If you accept X% of minorities in academics to keep up appearances, do you not also have to publish X% of their work? Otherwise, someone will notice, and then reapplying the exact same logic (i.e. we have to keep up appearances) will force us to publish. If we publish them in an inferior journal, someone will notice, and so prestigious journals will have to publish bad articles to keep up appearances. And so on.

    If you don't believe this, then consider the outcry that there aren't enough female partners in law firms.

    Taken to its logical conclusion, less-talented-but-protected members of all desirable professions will need to be taken as seriously as the rest of the group. Academics is particularly insidious in this regard, in that they publish the research and teach the lectures for our most intelligent society members, and so there is a positive feedback loop to progressive thought.

    I currently believe that the modern Western University system, with all of its great benefits, has contributed great social harms to us.
    , @Avalanche
    Do you know what we call the absolute bottom/last graduate in a class of 500 doctors from med school? We call him DOCTOR! If your "The dumb scientist do little actual harm, because they are dumb per definition, and they are politely distanced from positions where they could do actual harm," were even SLIGHTLY true -- then you best take your children to a black doctor who *could not be failed* no matter how poorly that 'student' did on tests or learning.

    And if your 'dumb scientist' (an oxymoron if ever there was!) is HIRED, then that waste-of-space cannot be politely distanced -- and an actual scientist who could ACTUALLY do science will not be hired. (Try to get a job as a White scientist today! Or even get into a STEM school!)
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  35. http://www.archimedes-lab.org/numeral.html

    https://www.ancient-code.com/the-origin-of-the-number-zero/

    Neither a white or western contribution

    Well,

    I will be interested to see what else the Mrs MacDonald has come up with. Her last statistical account claiming a war on police and its link to the “Ferguson effect” fell apart and it do by the numbers.

    Very small sample size, false comparisons between cities, over generalizations, counter examples in larger numbers that challenged her own and most importantly, the overall trend in dropping crime stats across the board. Not to mention that officer related deaths as the result of murder are relatively small and have been stable for more than teats with the occasional spike. And most importantly amounts to —- less than 1% (being very generous here).

    But it seems we are to new ground in statistical analysis.

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    Are you some kind of an idiot? Do you have any background in mathematics? Yes, some contributions to mathematics have come from places other than Europe. However, the vast amount of advances in mathematics have come from Europe and European derived civilizations like the US.

    http://www.fabpedigree.com/james/mathmen.htm
    , @Tantor
    The article you reference about the origin of zero is questionable. Look at the yellow circled area. The stone containing the zero character is heavily scarred. I doubt their claim that it represents the character zero.

    https://www.ancient-code.com/the-origin-of-the-number-zero/

    It's silly to claim that zero was "Neither a white or western contribution." Nobody knows for sure. What we do know is that the ancient Indo-Aryan tribes were most likely Central or East Europeans. The linguistic roots are unquestionable.

    "Both mainstream Urheimat solutions locate the Proto-Indo-European homeland in the vicinity of the Black Sea."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Aryan_migration

    Also, the Sumerians had a particular affinity for blue eyes.
    http://www.ancientpages.com/2017/02/23/mysterious-sumerian-statues-big-blue-eyes-sign-gods/
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  36. Realist says:
    @RealAmerican
    How can any American kid, white, black, or Hispanic compete with a Chinese student when there are Friday night football games, and Saturday night bar scenes to attend. Would you, Fred, could you spend your whole weekend studying mathematics and chemistry at the expense of beautiful, provocative, sultry, flirtatious, tempting and irresistible young American women. If you were a youngster in today's America?

    How can any American kid, white, black, or Hispanic compete with a Chinese student when there are Friday night football games, and Saturday night bar scenes to attend.

    The intelligent ones will.

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  37. Realist says:

    ….phlogiston…

    Phlogiston??? When did you go to school? Did you know Johann Joachim Becher ?

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    Realists don't have to be unimaginative plodders who don't recognise the satirical or spoof.
    , @Fran800
    It's something that interacts with pollywannacrackerine.
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  38. That is a great photo. having understood that women have been the actual beneficiaries of AA, photo depicts the the flip game that whites play in justifying the very game they complain – despite how it benefits them — that undercut one of few programs of redress that made sense in its original form –

    They slip in the black women as if to say — we being fair. seasoning at its most cynical – but effective, nonetheless.

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  39. @j
    I understand Fred's facts and arguments, but I do not share his conclusions or recommendations. The dilution the science content of science classes and the consequent granting of fake science diplomas is (1) unavoidable and (2) does not harm real science. (1) it is a necessary price to relax social stress and promote social peace. No country can allow having a large segment of its population excluded from elite positions, and there must an open way to honorably co-opt some of them. (2) The dumb scientist do little actual harm, because they are dumb per definition, and they are politely distanced from positions where they could do actual harm, of which there are few to none in research fields. Personally, I have experienced this things twice in my life. Once in Communist Hungary, when the teacher introduced to our elite class a group of blond children and made them sit in the front benches. We were told to be friendly and help these newcomers, because they were from proletarian politically correct families (we were not). They did not reduce the individual IQ of any of the class, and averages mean nothing. Mr Reed, be a generous Southern gentleman, not a bitter curmudgeon.

    i would challenge the “unavoidable” press here. Since I bemoan the gutting of AA as intended and as originally designed. It is false that any program admit unqualified blacks or lowered their standards to admit them. what traditional educational facilities had done was fail to recruit qualified african americans — their policies were insular. And in many cases of was revealed that qualified blacks were dismissed on the basis of color. In other-words, they recruited whites above qualified blacks , even unqualified whites were accepted. The goal of AA was never to lower standard.

    And while it has been great excuse among whites for all manner of complaint — there was never a demand for lowered standards — that has been done in multiple arenas for women and by women, i am speaking largely of white women. Your press reinforces the unqualified black mantra to blame for lowered standards — despite the press that it doesn’t matter.

    Whether or not it hurts science or the society in general is hard to weigh — it may very well help, but to know we would need to examine the results and impact of the work of the so called “dumb” scientists from the smart scientists. i am not convinced that the ozone layer “bubbling oceans” scare scenario was the work of dumb scientists of smart scientists.

    The price for social peace is to avoid artificial barriers to full participation — fairness. I tend to think people get it — all things being fair – will not get equal returns for everyone. The problem has been our failure to work towards “all things being fair.”

    I can’t give one kid a gocart with four wheels and another kid a cart with two and claim that upon entering the competition — it’s fair and proceed to make all manner of excuse why it is fair while ignoring the obvious disparity and worse blaming the kid who was denied access to building a car with four wheels wheels.

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    The goal of AA was never to lower standard[s].
     
    Yes, it was. It was quite obvious at the time. The fact that standards would be lowered was pointed out, quite specifically, by the opposition. That standards WOULD be lowered was acknowledged, but deemed necessary for the period of transition -- which would be brief (laugh track here).
    , @MarkinLA
    Oh please, use some common sense. Yes, the original intent of AA was to supposedly find all these diamonds in the rough that people on the left actually thought existed. When it became obvious that such diamonds were scarcer than hens teeth, nobody was going to admit failure so quotas and lowering of standards had to happen or the whole thing would have collapsed.

    You keep repeating this idiot blank slate nonsense. The reality is that blacks are generally deficient in the traits that are needed to succed in the hard sciences - period. Not everybody can do college level calculus, let alone mathematics at a level higher than that. The percentatge of people who can are higher in northeast Asians than in whites with blacks way down the list. This is obvious if you have ever visited a building where the mathematics classes are taught at a university.
    , @anon

    It is false that any program admit unqualified blacks or lowered their standards to admit them.
     
    Thomas Espenshade's report on the SAT 450 pt black advantage over Asians and 340 black advantage over whites in college admission has been widely quoted for some time.
    https://www.princeton.edu/~tje/files/files/webAdmission%20Preferences%20Espenshade%20Chung%20Walling%20Dec%202004.pdf

    Another example from Heather MacDonald's excellent article that Fred Reed linked to in this article:
    https://www.city-journal.org/html/how-identity-politics-harming-sciences-15826.html

    From 2013 to 2016, medical schools nationally admitted 57 percent of black applicants with a low MCAT of 24 to 26, but only 8 percent of whites and 6 percent of Asians with those same low scores, according to Claremont McKenna professor Frederick Lynch.
     
    , @Non sequitur
    I can’t give one kid a gocart with four wheels and another kid a cart with two and claim that upon entering the competition — it’s fair and proceed to make all manner of excuse why it is fair while ignoring the obvious disparity and worse blaming the kid who was denied access to building a car with four wheels wheels.

    Lmao, The only ones “given” things are your precious SSA’s. Technology was not given but developed by some and given to 0thers. The population is booming in SSA due to western health and technological advancements.

    That kid with the four wheel go cart built it or got it from his father, mofo. Your precious kid with the two wheel cart is lucky he got anything. Ungratefulness at its finest.


    Denied access to building? WTF made some pops with lower average iq’s or different time preferences? I guess nature is racially discriminatory.

    You’re right, it’s all manner of excuses and it is completely unfair but not in the way you think bud
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  40. Flavius says:

    Fred calling it like he sees it. I see it that way too. 50 years later it isn’t necessary to produce reams of data to demonstate to someone standing in the woods that those are trees in them there woods: the evidence abounds. Affirmative Action is racism pure, simple, and on its face. The damage it has caused, not least to the victims it was gussied up to help, has been immense; and by the way, where intellectual work is concerned, it isn’t just the STEM disciplines that have been affected, all of them have been affected, the literary arts, the musical arts, the plastic arts, the whole damn shooting match.

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    The real problem with trying to make up for wrongs done two hundred years ago, is that it's impossible. All the people who were involved are long since dead.

    The people alive now are affected by law changes as either beneficiaries or as the abused.
    The people at the top who run things decided that they wanted to do something for the poor unfortunates who couldn't seem to get a break, and they did.
    The fact that they replaced pro white discrimination with pro black discrimination is neither here nor there, the fact is that they were able flex their dictatorial muscles.

    It always was about control and showing everybody just who was boss. And quite possibly, revenge. Wallace stood in the schoolhouse door. Eisenhower showed him who was boss.
    Just ask yourself who it is that you can't criticize. In public. Better yet, ask Roseanne.
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  41. @j
    I understand Fred's facts and arguments, but I do not share his conclusions or recommendations. The dilution the science content of science classes and the consequent granting of fake science diplomas is (1) unavoidable and (2) does not harm real science. (1) it is a necessary price to relax social stress and promote social peace. No country can allow having a large segment of its population excluded from elite positions, and there must an open way to honorably co-opt some of them. (2) The dumb scientist do little actual harm, because they are dumb per definition, and they are politely distanced from positions where they could do actual harm, of which there are few to none in research fields. Personally, I have experienced this things twice in my life. Once in Communist Hungary, when the teacher introduced to our elite class a group of blond children and made them sit in the front benches. We were told to be friendly and help these newcomers, because they were from proletarian politically correct families (we were not). They did not reduce the individual IQ of any of the class, and averages mean nothing. Mr Reed, be a generous Southern gentleman, not a bitter curmudgeon.

    I think there are plenty os salience here in applying this analysis to something like social “saftey nets”.

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  42. @EliteCommInc.
    i would challenge the "unavoidable" press here. Since I bemoan the gutting of AA as intended and as originally designed. It is false that any program admit unqualified blacks or lowered their standards to admit them. what traditional educational facilities had done was fail to recruit qualified african americans -- their policies were insular. And in many cases of was revealed that qualified blacks were dismissed on the basis of color. In other-words, they recruited whites above qualified blacks , even unqualified whites were accepted. The goal of AA was never to lower standard.

    And while it has been great excuse among whites for all manner of complaint -- there was never a demand for lowered standards -- that has been done in multiple arenas for women and by women, i am speaking largely of white women. Your press reinforces the unqualified black mantra to blame for lowered standards -- despite the press that it doesn't matter.

    Whether or not it hurts science or the society in general is hard to weigh -- it may very well help, but to know we would need to examine the results and impact of the work of the so called "dumb" scientists from the smart scientists. i am not convinced that the ozone layer "bubbling oceans" scare scenario was the work of dumb scientists of smart scientists.


    The price for social peace is to avoid artificial barriers to full participation -- fairness. I tend to think people get it -- all things being fair - will not get equal returns for everyone. The problem has been our failure to work towards "all things being fair."


    I can't give one kid a gocart with four wheels and another kid a cart with two and claim that upon entering the competition -- it's fair and proceed to make all manner of excuse why it is fair while ignoring the obvious disparity and worse blaming the kid who was denied access to building a car with four wheels wheels.

    The goal of AA was never to lower standard[s].

    Yes, it was. It was quite obvious at the time. The fact that standards would be lowered was pointed out, quite specifically, by the opposition. That standards WOULD be lowered was acknowledged, but deemed necessary for the period of transition — which would be brief (laugh track here).

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    No.

    that's what institutions did all on their own.

    The original mandate was to consider whether the hiring, recruiting and training protocols had been fair. The so calld quota system we have today wasn't even guaranteed to ensure a certain percentage of a protected group was hired. But instead whether said percentage had been including in the pool of applicants. There was no mandate to lower standards. in fact, had the original protocols been maintained. It would placed downward pressure on improving the qualifications with local, regional, state and national hiring practices. in other words pressed for ensuring qualified applicants were sought and developed, among two specific groups, initially, blacks and native americans - because the model was family systems, there was emphasis placed on the males as heads of households.

    Now this policy was primarily intended and applied to public positions. But what became immediately clear is that all throughout the US the discrimination from consideration had been persistent and deep in private and public sectors.

    Note: I am not making any claims that there were plenty(?) of successful blacks prior to the civil rights actions.

    What existed had not been altogether a conscious practice but born out policies and understandings prior to slavery. If the practices in the US military were unashamed open gambits to hinder blacks 00 it's not hard to comprehend what occurred throughout nonmilitary affiliated and private sector opportunities. The self investigations of companies sent them into a panic that they had in fact, arbitrarily not considered black applicant (minority applicants) and some institutions lowered the standards in a bid for corrective action to avoid limitations and sanctions -- my view -- bad choice.
    But affirmative action did not mandate lowered standards. But in a very slick bait and switch move, Hr departments found an out for dealing discrimination --- women counted. In a bid to kill the civil rights southern congressman pressed to include women. That singular choice made all the difference. As soon as hr departments understood its implications they turned their attention to women and predominantly white women. They could make sure women already part of the white majority and power structure, already benefiting could apply be hired and they could avoid the black issue altogether or at least ameliorated the matter substantially.

    I am going to play loosely with these numbers -- I think this is somewhat new territory for me. but let's just pretend that half of the 120 or so white women were competing for affirmative action jobs against the the entire black male population, that be would 60 million competing with 21 million black men total. And that's not a nuanced calculation, imagine that then compared to hispaincs and asians considered. That utterly made the matter mute if one wanted to avoid color dynamics -- and the evidence says they do. A clean bait and switch hitting the diversity quotas without having to bat an eye. And continued blocking the very reason the system was advanced in the first place.
    Then to avoid the indictment, white women taking advantage just glom on to minority women and behold -- gambit set in process. And for black men -- it's clear "seasoning" in practice in the modern age. And leveraging black women against black males --

    whites are all to aware of the implications.


    I agree with the laugh track. But the joke has been on black and native american men not whites males. lowered standards most played out in jobs requiring physical labor.



    Again my numbers here are for a broad understanding of how AA worked to benefit whites.


    It was not initially intended to lower standards. I have not found those original designs established some 35 years ago.
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  43. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    Greg Cochran Interview

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  44. MarkinLA says:
    @Plainman
    Much of the "work in STEM fields (science, technology, engineering, and mathematics) in America is done by" people whose ancestors were Asians from India, China, and Japan. These important contributions are from non-whites.

    Obviously, you have never worked in engineering or any STEM field for that matter. Asians are over represented as a percentage of the population in the general STEM workforce but not at the higher levels where patents and new technologies come from.

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    @MarkinLA
    Are you asserting that Asian are doing only unimportant STEM work? If so, how do you reconcile that with their many Nobel prizes in Physics, Chemistry, and Medicine?
    Your ad hominem suggests that you misread my comment to which you replied. I worked in software engineering for more than 40 years.
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  45. MarkinLA says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    i would challenge the "unavoidable" press here. Since I bemoan the gutting of AA as intended and as originally designed. It is false that any program admit unqualified blacks or lowered their standards to admit them. what traditional educational facilities had done was fail to recruit qualified african americans -- their policies were insular. And in many cases of was revealed that qualified blacks were dismissed on the basis of color. In other-words, they recruited whites above qualified blacks , even unqualified whites were accepted. The goal of AA was never to lower standard.

    And while it has been great excuse among whites for all manner of complaint -- there was never a demand for lowered standards -- that has been done in multiple arenas for women and by women, i am speaking largely of white women. Your press reinforces the unqualified black mantra to blame for lowered standards -- despite the press that it doesn't matter.

    Whether or not it hurts science or the society in general is hard to weigh -- it may very well help, but to know we would need to examine the results and impact of the work of the so called "dumb" scientists from the smart scientists. i am not convinced that the ozone layer "bubbling oceans" scare scenario was the work of dumb scientists of smart scientists.


    The price for social peace is to avoid artificial barriers to full participation -- fairness. I tend to think people get it -- all things being fair - will not get equal returns for everyone. The problem has been our failure to work towards "all things being fair."


    I can't give one kid a gocart with four wheels and another kid a cart with two and claim that upon entering the competition -- it's fair and proceed to make all manner of excuse why it is fair while ignoring the obvious disparity and worse blaming the kid who was denied access to building a car with four wheels wheels.

    Oh please, use some common sense. Yes, the original intent of AA was to supposedly find all these diamonds in the rough that people on the left actually thought existed. When it became obvious that such diamonds were scarcer than hens teeth, nobody was going to admit failure so quotas and lowering of standards had to happen or the whole thing would have collapsed.

    You keep repeating this idiot blank slate nonsense. The reality is that blacks are generally deficient in the traits that are needed to succed in the hard sciences – period. Not everybody can do college level calculus, let alone mathematics at a level higher than that. The percentatge of people who can are higher in northeast Asians than in whites with blacks way down the list. This is obvious if you have ever visited a building where the mathematics classes are taught at a university.

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    Since your premise on what i said is incorrect, i will justr say --


    I am not using a blank slate. There would be no way to redress via tabula rosa given the system was already bent -- no redress works on tabula rossa


    Redress by definition, grants the system is in need of repair a concept that contradicts a tabula rossa modality.
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  46. MarkinLA says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    http://www.archimedes-lab.org/numeral.html

    https://www.ancient-code.com/the-origin-of-the-number-zero/

    Neither a white or western contribution


    Well,

    I will be interested to see what else the Mrs MacDonald has come up with. Her last statistical account claiming a war on police and its link to the "Ferguson effect" fell apart and it do by the numbers.


    Very small sample size, false comparisons between cities, over generalizations, counter examples in larger numbers that challenged her own and most importantly, the overall trend in dropping crime stats across the board. Not to mention that officer related deaths as the result of murder are relatively small and have been stable for more than teats with the occasional spike. And most importantly amounts to ---- less than 1% (being very generous here).


    But it seems we are to new ground in statistical analysis.

    Are you some kind of an idiot? Do you have any background in mathematics? Yes, some contributions to mathematics have come from places other than Europe. However, the vast amount of advances in mathematics have come from Europe and European derived civilizations like the US.

    http://www.fabpedigree.com/james/mathmen.htm

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    I think your observations are great.

    But you are dancing in another universe.

    Here's the premise: blacks have contributed nothing to society.

    So I just took the introduction of the 0 as introduced by hindis (black) and nonwesterners, and other browns (nonwesterners) -- noted that singular contribution -- demonstrating the premise false and you have built on the same by extolling the contributions of others who benefited from the addition of zero.

    now I am sure Mr reed doesn't believe that the contribution modes he advanced, but is frustrated by the very tough issues facing whites and a pressed rhetoric about white superiority.

    And of course will advance anything that extols his hispanic favoritism over his former black citizens. i would talk about the inoculations and a host of benefits, heart shunts and stints, transfusions, etc.

    But I think the point is made.

    George Washington Carver seemed to easy

    language


    oy veh.

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  47. @Anon
    It will just amount to a bit of tokenism.

    Add a Negro here and there to show off as the face of black genius.

    But the core operation will be in hands of those who know the stuff.

    It's about Diversity icing on the cake.

    I mean... would Google really want idiots to do programming?
    No, but it will add just enough spice to show off that it is 'diverse'.

    Tom Arnold just estimated the immediate loss to ABC for its kneejerk cancellation of Rosanne Barr’s show at $1 billion.

    And we just watched Google never even blink as it drove straight into the headlights of a possible class action lawsuit and a guaranteed one from James Damore.

    Diversity’s altar must run with fresh blood no matter the cost.

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    That reminds me that the original Hebrew spelling of Moloch was apparently MLK.
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  48. @Achmed E. Newman

    ... most of Latin America is perfectly fine to live in,
     
    No, Mr. Karlin, most of Latin America is NOT perfectly fine to live in. It IS for the 1-5% wealthy people, the ones you may know from there. I know quite a few very bright guys FROM Latin America. Did you notice I wrote "FROM" Latin America, for emphasis. Why would 30,000,000 people from Mexicao and C. America alone have come here, if Latin America is a "perfectly fine place to live"?

    Most people are poor and besides some of the bright spots like Uruaguay, parts of Argentina and Chile (that would have previously included Caracas, Venezuala before the Commies), it's just plain 3rd world, meaning not much of a middle class - guys and families that have disposable income to use to improve their communities.

    The economies down there go up and down, Commies and military juntas come and go, and it's because the general personality traits of the average people don't consist of honesty and integrity. Those countries are hardly ever run worth a damn - doesn't that make you wonder why?

    Maybe all you've seen are the best parts of the big cities, Mr. Karlin. What I want to emphasize, regarding the writer Fred Reed is that he is living in Mexico as an expat, not a Mexican, on the US Dollar, not the Mexican peso. That's a nice way to do it until the dollar goes down the toilet (spoiler alert - it will).

    Don't get me wrong - there'd be plenty of things to appreciate down there as an American leaving the current warmongering US Police State behind. It's no picnic down there living as an actual Latin American, either. The grass is always greener, Gringo.

    Right. However true it may be that most of Latin America isn’t a Juarez torture house, it seems there should at least be an asterisk footnoting that countries like Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador have essentially amounted to 500-year-long Mayan sacrifice rituals writ large. Nice digs for psychopathic caudillos and hitmen but no kind of place to raise a family, at least not of humans.

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  49. @Negrolphin Pool
    Tom Arnold just estimated the immediate loss to ABC for its kneejerk cancellation of Rosanne Barr's show at $1 billion.

    And we just watched Google never even blink as it drove straight into the headlights of a possible class action lawsuit and a guaranteed one from James Damore.

    Diversity's altar must run with fresh blood no matter the cost.

    That reminds me that the original Hebrew spelling of Moloch was apparently MLK.

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  50. @manorchurch

    The goal of AA was never to lower standard[s].
     
    Yes, it was. It was quite obvious at the time. The fact that standards would be lowered was pointed out, quite specifically, by the opposition. That standards WOULD be lowered was acknowledged, but deemed necessary for the period of transition -- which would be brief (laugh track here).

    No.

    that’s what institutions did all on their own.

    The original mandate was to consider whether the hiring, recruiting and training protocols had been fair. The so calld quota system we have today wasn’t even guaranteed to ensure a certain percentage of a protected group was hired. But instead whether said percentage had been including in the pool of applicants. There was no mandate to lower standards. in fact, had the original protocols been maintained. It would placed downward pressure on improving the qualifications with local, regional, state and national hiring practices. in other words pressed for ensuring qualified applicants were sought and developed, among two specific groups, initially, blacks and native americans – because the model was family systems, there was emphasis placed on the males as heads of households.

    Now this policy was primarily intended and applied to public positions. But what became immediately clear is that all throughout the US the discrimination from consideration had been persistent and deep in private and public sectors.

    Note: I am not making any claims that there were plenty(?) of successful blacks prior to the civil rights actions.

    What existed had not been altogether a conscious practice but born out policies and understandings prior to slavery. If the practices in the US military were unashamed open gambits to hinder blacks 00 it’s not hard to comprehend what occurred throughout nonmilitary affiliated and private sector opportunities. The self investigations of companies sent them into a panic that they had in fact, arbitrarily not considered black applicant (minority applicants) and some institutions lowered the standards in a bid for corrective action to avoid limitations and sanctions — my view — bad choice.
    But affirmative action did not mandate lowered standards. But in a very slick bait and switch move, Hr departments found an out for dealing discrimination — women counted. In a bid to kill the civil rights southern congressman pressed to include women. That singular choice made all the difference. As soon as hr departments understood its implications they turned their attention to women and predominantly white women. They could make sure women already part of the white majority and power structure, already benefiting could apply be hired and they could avoid the black issue altogether or at least ameliorated the matter substantially.

    I am going to play loosely with these numbers — I think this is somewhat new territory for me. but let’s just pretend that half of the 120 or so white women were competing for affirmative action jobs against the the entire black male population, that be would 60 million competing with 21 million black men total. And that’s not a nuanced calculation, imagine that then compared to hispaincs and asians considered. That utterly made the matter mute if one wanted to avoid color dynamics — and the evidence says they do. A clean bait and switch hitting the diversity quotas without having to bat an eye. And continued blocking the very reason the system was advanced in the first place.
    Then to avoid the indictment, white women taking advantage just glom on to minority women and behold — gambit set in process. And for black men — it’s clear “seasoning” in practice in the modern age. And leveraging black women against black males —

    whites are all to aware of the implications.

    I agree with the laugh track. But the joke has been on black and native american men not whites males. lowered standards most played out in jobs requiring physical labor.

    Again my numbers here are for a broad understanding of how AA worked to benefit whites.

    It was not initially intended to lower standards. I have not found those original designs established some 35 years ago.

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    It was not initially intended to lower standards. I have not found those original designs established some 35 years ago.
     
    Intentions are a bitch, with which the road to hell is paved. I never said the intent was to lower standards, but I did observe that the very valid objections raised by the opposition were based on the likelihood it would lower standards.

    Still, AA has been a boon to some, right? Just not a boon to merit, excellence, competence, integrity, etc.
    , @Anon
    35 years ago? The affirmative action law was passed 50 years ago in 1968.

    Lowering of standards was done by judicial fiat, Griggs vs Duke Power and Kaiser vs Weber and others in the 1970s.

    It was all over by Griggs in the early 1970, only about 5 years.

    Check your facts.
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  51. @MarkinLA
    Oh please, use some common sense. Yes, the original intent of AA was to supposedly find all these diamonds in the rough that people on the left actually thought existed. When it became obvious that such diamonds were scarcer than hens teeth, nobody was going to admit failure so quotas and lowering of standards had to happen or the whole thing would have collapsed.

    You keep repeating this idiot blank slate nonsense. The reality is that blacks are generally deficient in the traits that are needed to succed in the hard sciences - period. Not everybody can do college level calculus, let alone mathematics at a level higher than that. The percentatge of people who can are higher in northeast Asians than in whites with blacks way down the list. This is obvious if you have ever visited a building where the mathematics classes are taught at a university.

    Since your premise on what i said is incorrect, i will justr say –

    I am not using a blank slate. There would be no way to redress via tabula rosa given the system was already bent — no redress works on tabula rossa

    Redress by definition, grants the system is in need of repair a concept that contradicts a tabula rossa modality.

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    The system was bent by genetics. Sub-Saharan Africa never invented any system of advanced mathematics. Therefore, that part of their brain isn't as developed as other races. That is why now, no matter what you do, there are far fewer blacks capable of doing high level math as a percentage of the population. You can't fix that with affirmative action.
    , @JMcG
    The expression is “tabula rasa.”
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  52. @MarkinLA
    Are you some kind of an idiot? Do you have any background in mathematics? Yes, some contributions to mathematics have come from places other than Europe. However, the vast amount of advances in mathematics have come from Europe and European derived civilizations like the US.

    http://www.fabpedigree.com/james/mathmen.htm

    I think your observations are great.

    But you are dancing in another universe.

    Here’s the premise: blacks have contributed nothing to society.

    So I just took the introduction of the 0 as introduced by hindis (black) and nonwesterners, and other browns (nonwesterners) — noted that singular contribution — demonstrating the premise false and you have built on the same by extolling the contributions of others who benefited from the addition of zero.

    now I am sure Mr reed doesn’t believe that the contribution modes he advanced, but is frustrated by the very tough issues facing whites and a pressed rhetoric about white superiority.

    And of course will advance anything that extols his hispanic favoritism over his former black citizens. i would talk about the inoculations and a host of benefits, heart shunts and stints, transfusions, etc.

    But I think the point is made.

    George Washington Carver seemed to easy

    language

    oy veh.

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    Fred is not confusing blacks with all non-whites. He even said Hispanics contribute little, He was talking specifically about American black with sub-Saharan ancestry. In addition, you make too much of the comment about "none". Yeah, there were a few American blacks who did do some decent work - their percentage of the population is just so low that they are insignificant.
    , @Colin Wright
    '...So I just took the introduction of the 0 as introduced by hindis (black)...'

    How did 'hindis' get to be black as in subsaharan African? Some may have a great deal of melanin in their skin but the resemblance to Africans ends right there.

    We're talking about mental acuity -- not susceptibility to sun burn. That black Africans are markedly less intelligent than other groups is one of those facts so clearly true that I can't be bothered to marshall arguments in its support. You might as well demand I show that the earth is indeed a sphere, or that it orbits about the sun rather than the reverse.

    I get tired of this. Want to debate the rights and wrongs of 'the clash of civilizations'? By all means. Care to debate abortion? I'm up for it. But please: no desperate attempts to deny the certain. As a group, sub-saharan Africans are less intelligent than others -- whatever you can or cannot demonstrate about 'hindis.'
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  54. @EliteCommInc.
    No.

    that's what institutions did all on their own.

    The original mandate was to consider whether the hiring, recruiting and training protocols had been fair. The so calld quota system we have today wasn't even guaranteed to ensure a certain percentage of a protected group was hired. But instead whether said percentage had been including in the pool of applicants. There was no mandate to lower standards. in fact, had the original protocols been maintained. It would placed downward pressure on improving the qualifications with local, regional, state and national hiring practices. in other words pressed for ensuring qualified applicants were sought and developed, among two specific groups, initially, blacks and native americans - because the model was family systems, there was emphasis placed on the males as heads of households.

    Now this policy was primarily intended and applied to public positions. But what became immediately clear is that all throughout the US the discrimination from consideration had been persistent and deep in private and public sectors.

    Note: I am not making any claims that there were plenty(?) of successful blacks prior to the civil rights actions.

    What existed had not been altogether a conscious practice but born out policies and understandings prior to slavery. If the practices in the US military were unashamed open gambits to hinder blacks 00 it's not hard to comprehend what occurred throughout nonmilitary affiliated and private sector opportunities. The self investigations of companies sent them into a panic that they had in fact, arbitrarily not considered black applicant (minority applicants) and some institutions lowered the standards in a bid for corrective action to avoid limitations and sanctions -- my view -- bad choice.
    But affirmative action did not mandate lowered standards. But in a very slick bait and switch move, Hr departments found an out for dealing discrimination --- women counted. In a bid to kill the civil rights southern congressman pressed to include women. That singular choice made all the difference. As soon as hr departments understood its implications they turned their attention to women and predominantly white women. They could make sure women already part of the white majority and power structure, already benefiting could apply be hired and they could avoid the black issue altogether or at least ameliorated the matter substantially.

    I am going to play loosely with these numbers -- I think this is somewhat new territory for me. but let's just pretend that half of the 120 or so white women were competing for affirmative action jobs against the the entire black male population, that be would 60 million competing with 21 million black men total. And that's not a nuanced calculation, imagine that then compared to hispaincs and asians considered. That utterly made the matter mute if one wanted to avoid color dynamics -- and the evidence says they do. A clean bait and switch hitting the diversity quotas without having to bat an eye. And continued blocking the very reason the system was advanced in the first place.
    Then to avoid the indictment, white women taking advantage just glom on to minority women and behold -- gambit set in process. And for black men -- it's clear "seasoning" in practice in the modern age. And leveraging black women against black males --

    whites are all to aware of the implications.


    I agree with the laugh track. But the joke has been on black and native american men not whites males. lowered standards most played out in jobs requiring physical labor.



    Again my numbers here are for a broad understanding of how AA worked to benefit whites.


    It was not initially intended to lower standards. I have not found those original designs established some 35 years ago.

    It was not initially intended to lower standards. I have not found those original designs established some 35 years ago.

    Intentions are a bitch, with which the road to hell is paved. I never said the intent was to lower standards, but I did observe that the very valid objections raised by the opposition were based on the likelihood it would lower standards.

    Still, AA has been a boon to some, right? Just not a boon to merit, excellence, competence, integrity, etc.

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    I am not going to mince words here. it has not been a boon for black, especially black men.

    It was hijacked. and it costs me to make the comments i do on the subject, but the convenient assail against blacks for AA just is unsupportable by the numbers. Worse, republicans who have used this for political maneuvering have been benefiting from since the switch to goodies for whites, all the while decrying and castigating it. they have been happy to import diversity in the diversity, but more for the cheap labor.

    And it is not accurate that that every gain has gone to people who don't merit said gain. And it does not mean that some blacks have not benefited - they have. The substantial objections were based on unfairness of consideration lower standards or not. Always an issue when considering the question of redress. The early objections were to the civil rights amendment. The quotas argument was completely misconstrued. It had nothing to with actually highering but percentage to population should be considered based on qualifications.

    Long winded way of saying there are plenty of issues regarding polity and blacks citizens -- AA is just carting dust -- but it sounds good. few have the courage to tell their wives, girlfriends, mistresses and daughters 0 you really are not the aggrieved party.


    "Still, AA has been a boon to some, right? Just not a boon to merit, excellence, competence, integrity, etc." you have my support to explain that to white women . . . good fortune.

    , @Pericles

    I never said the intent was to lower standards, but I did observe that the very valid objections raised by the opposition were based on the likelihood it would lower standards.

     

    Furthermore, and regardless of intent, it turned out the proponents didn't mind lowering standards. If that be the cost, so be it.
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  55. @manorchurch

    It was not initially intended to lower standards. I have not found those original designs established some 35 years ago.
     
    Intentions are a bitch, with which the road to hell is paved. I never said the intent was to lower standards, but I did observe that the very valid objections raised by the opposition were based on the likelihood it would lower standards.

    Still, AA has been a boon to some, right? Just not a boon to merit, excellence, competence, integrity, etc.

    I am not going to mince words here. it has not been a boon for black, especially black men.

    It was hijacked. and it costs me to make the comments i do on the subject, but the convenient assail against blacks for AA just is unsupportable by the numbers. Worse, republicans who have used this for political maneuvering have been benefiting from since the switch to goodies for whites, all the while decrying and castigating it. they have been happy to import diversity in the diversity, but more for the cheap labor.

    And it is not accurate that that every gain has gone to people who don’t merit said gain. And it does not mean that some blacks have not benefited – they have. The substantial objections were based on unfairness of consideration lower standards or not. Always an issue when considering the question of redress. The early objections were to the civil rights amendment. The quotas argument was completely misconstrued. It had nothing to with actually highering but percentage to population should be considered based on qualifications.

    Long winded way of saying there are plenty of issues regarding polity and blacks citizens — AA is just carting dust — but it sounds good. few have the courage to tell their wives, girlfriends, mistresses and daughters 0 you really are not the aggrieved party.

    “Still, AA has been a boon to some, right? Just not a boon to merit, excellence, competence, integrity, etc.” you have my support to explain that to white women . . . good fortune.

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  56. MarkinLA says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    Since your premise on what i said is incorrect, i will justr say --


    I am not using a blank slate. There would be no way to redress via tabula rosa given the system was already bent -- no redress works on tabula rossa


    Redress by definition, grants the system is in need of repair a concept that contradicts a tabula rossa modality.

    The system was bent by genetics. Sub-Saharan Africa never invented any system of advanced mathematics. Therefore, that part of their brain isn’t as developed as other races. That is why now, no matter what you do, there are far fewer blacks capable of doing high level math as a percentage of the population. You can’t fix that with affirmative action.

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    welcome,

    i am not going to granting any uncorroborated data about Africa. Trying untangle the various african civilizations requires more than IQ testing and certainly a better grasp history of the region than understood by Mr Reed, if in fact that is what he believes.

    It never fails that when the premise demonstrated o be flawed, the trump attempt is aha

    but the subsaharans are dumb. First, we know so little about the region before colonialism because -- the desert was a massive barrier. But what further defeats the argument is the knowledge that the slaves largely from the region used their skills in architecture, construction and urban planning to wait for it --- enhance heating and cooling plantation homes, architecture . . . apparently, you haven't ever visited a plantation . . . given the knowledge those slaves brought and demonstrated, it's a bit obtuse that thy didn't have use of math. Whether any of that was adopted prior to routes past the desert is just an unknown. But one need not be a genius to understand that human civilization doesn't exist in a vacuum. The early architectural skills -- were certainly shared and passed on. As for formal math --- practical math works for me. i suspect given the trade routes including those linked to the southwesren coasts of North America -- indicates that africans even south of the sahara managed to sail to the oceans. I always thought whites got here first.

    Not knowing the contributions is not the same thing as said contributions not existing.


    http://history-world.org/africa.htm

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaoyqZn1ELI

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN_gZi4hnY4


    When i was in grade school, i had no idea that native americans actually built cities in the hills, and irrigated their farms, etc.

    Ignorance is not the same thing as nonexistence.


    As for math and blacks : I think the evidence is overwhelming that even with discrimination -- millions of blacks grasp mathematical concepts. more importantly --- very few people need to know math beyond the basics or level one algebra. The qualifications for what one is entitled to is citizenship, not math skills. To wit, let's make sure we undo the damage of denying equal access and then address what blacks are capable of --

    I am sure the Tuskegee airmen are having a good laugh at Mr. Reeds peculiar ideas. But what this confirms is that the country is in deep need of repair --- It;s frightening to understand that millions of US citizens have held these views expressed and at the same rime been responsible for ensuring black citizens be treated as citizens

    200 years of white thinking in full display.

    Note: you do realize that being hispanic is not a skin color -- and whoever created the concept as part of color demographics has a serious problem with categorical distinctions. I would have thought Mr Reed would be immediate to point that out as the white brown, dark brown divide is very intense in mexico.

    even someone with my low IQ gets that. In my view Their congress is whiter than our own.

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  57. MarkinLA says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    I think your observations are great.

    But you are dancing in another universe.

    Here's the premise: blacks have contributed nothing to society.

    So I just took the introduction of the 0 as introduced by hindis (black) and nonwesterners, and other browns (nonwesterners) -- noted that singular contribution -- demonstrating the premise false and you have built on the same by extolling the contributions of others who benefited from the addition of zero.

    now I am sure Mr reed doesn't believe that the contribution modes he advanced, but is frustrated by the very tough issues facing whites and a pressed rhetoric about white superiority.

    And of course will advance anything that extols his hispanic favoritism over his former black citizens. i would talk about the inoculations and a host of benefits, heart shunts and stints, transfusions, etc.

    But I think the point is made.

    George Washington Carver seemed to easy

    language


    oy veh.

    Fred is not confusing blacks with all non-whites. He even said Hispanics contribute little, He was talking specifically about American black with sub-Saharan ancestry. In addition, you make too much of the comment about “none”. Yeah, there were a few American blacks who did do some decent work – their percentage of the population is just so low that they are insignificant.

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    You are more than welcome to tell these men and women based on their contributions they are clearly bot from civilizations below the african desert.

    https://www.thoughtco.com/african-american-inventors-1991278


    https://famous-mathematicians.com/10-famous-black-mathematicians-and-their-contributions/


    http://www.gradeamathhelp.com/black-mathematicians.html


    "Nuts"

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  58. @MarkinLA
    The system was bent by genetics. Sub-Saharan Africa never invented any system of advanced mathematics. Therefore, that part of their brain isn't as developed as other races. That is why now, no matter what you do, there are far fewer blacks capable of doing high level math as a percentage of the population. You can't fix that with affirmative action.

    welcome,

    i am not going to granting any uncorroborated data about Africa. Trying untangle the various african civilizations requires more than IQ testing and certainly a better grasp history of the region than understood by Mr Reed, if in fact that is what he believes.

    It never fails that when the premise demonstrated o be flawed, the trump attempt is aha

    but the subsaharans are dumb. First, we know so little about the region before colonialism because — the desert was a massive barrier. But what further defeats the argument is the knowledge that the slaves largely from the region used their skills in architecture, construction and urban planning to wait for it — enhance heating and cooling plantation homes, architecture . . . apparently, you haven’t ever visited a plantation . . . given the knowledge those slaves brought and demonstrated, it’s a bit obtuse that thy didn’t have use of math. Whether any of that was adopted prior to routes past the desert is just an unknown. But one need not be a genius to understand that human civilization doesn’t exist in a vacuum. The early architectural skills — were certainly shared and passed on. As for formal math — practical math works for me. i suspect given the trade routes including those linked to the southwesren coasts of North America — indicates that africans even south of the sahara managed to sail to the oceans. I always thought whites got here first.

    Not knowing the contributions is not the same thing as said contributions not existing.

    http://history-world.org/africa.htm

    When i was in grade school, i had no idea that native americans actually built cities in the hills, and irrigated their farms, etc.

    Ignorance is not the same thing as nonexistence.

    As for math and blacks : I think the evidence is overwhelming that even with discrimination — millions of blacks grasp mathematical concepts. more importantly — very few people need to know math beyond the basics or level one algebra. The qualifications for what one is entitled to is citizenship, not math skills. To wit, let’s make sure we undo the damage of denying equal access and then address what blacks are capable of –

    I am sure the Tuskegee airmen are having a good laugh at Mr. Reeds peculiar ideas. But what this confirms is that the country is in deep need of repair — It;s frightening to understand that millions of US citizens have held these views expressed and at the same rime been responsible for ensuring black citizens be treated as citizens

    200 years of white thinking in full display.

    Note: you do realize that being hispanic is not a skin color — and whoever created the concept as part of color demographics has a serious problem with categorical distinctions. I would have thought Mr Reed would be immediate to point that out as the white brown, dark brown divide is very intense in mexico.

    even someone with my low IQ gets that. In my view Their congress is whiter than our own.

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    As for math and blacks : I think the evidence is overwhelming that even with discrimination — millions of blacks grasp mathematical concepts. more importantly — very few people need to know math beyond the basics or level one algebra. The qualifications for what one is entitled to is citizenship, not math skills. To wit, let’s make sure we undo the damage of denying equal access and then address what blacks are capable of

     

    Lol.

    To the powers that be: Send this guy to advise the Republicans on political strategy. You won't regret it.
    , @Jesse James
    All 355 of the Tuskeegee Airmen who entered active duty in 1945 when the war was nearly over? LOL. Try again.
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  59. @MarkinLA
    Fred is not confusing blacks with all non-whites. He even said Hispanics contribute little, He was talking specifically about American black with sub-Saharan ancestry. In addition, you make too much of the comment about "none". Yeah, there were a few American blacks who did do some decent work - their percentage of the population is just so low that they are insignificant.

    You are more than welcome to tell these men and women based on their contributions they are clearly bot from civilizations below the african desert.

    https://www.thoughtco.com/african-american-inventors-1991278

    https://famous-mathematicians.com/10-famous-black-mathematicians-and-their-contributions/

    http://www.gradeamathhelp.com/black-mathematicians.html

    “Nuts”

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    Did you actually bother to read what the "contributions" of those black mathematicians were? The first black to get a PhD, the first black to get one at … This is hardly the stuff of legend. Plenty of people who nobody cares (or ever hears about) about get PhDs in mathematics. These people are at the same level.
    , @anonymous
    I highly suspect that you haven't even read your links. The achievements indicated are trivial.
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  60. @Anatoly Karlin
    It's not all that dissonant from the rest of his work.

    Reed - Hispanics create functional societies, most of Latin America is perfectly fine to live in, Hispanic crime in the US is not a major problem.

    - all correct

    Reed - The US needs to imports tens of millions more Hispanics [insert some boomer strawman argument about how stupid and uninformed Alt Righters are]

    - not correct, but not incorrect either; just an emotional, "truthy" argument that derives from Reed's specific brand of Mexican nationalism.
    It's a nationalism that I find very bizarre and frankly cargo cultish - why on Earth would any self-respecting Mexican want to center his nationalism around the United States and what those pendejos do and think? - but we all have our ideological eccentricities.

    Reed - "Blacks contribute nothing and Hispanics, to date anyway, very little"

    - also correct. Also, ultimately Reed is an IQ realist, and while say an 8 point IQ difference certainly doesn't preclude civilization, it does mean scientific innovation will be very low in these groups due to the Law of Smart Fractions.

    Anatoly Karlin: “Reed – The US needs to imports tens of millions more Hispanics [insert some boomer strawman argument about how stupid and uninformed Alt Righters are]”

    Karlin appears to be a lock-step thinker who reads what he expects rather than what is written. I have said endlessly that mass immigration was a mistake, that America should close its border and assimilate those immigratnts who cannot be deported. This turns into “Fred wants to import millions….” Where does he get this stuff? It is a sort of illiteracy of the higly literate. And confirms my views of Alt-Righters.

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    Mr. Reed,

    The issue turns on this phrase.

    those immigratnts who cannot be deported
     
    I and others who are not white nationalists or alt-righters have the distinct impression that this means "all of them-- now or in the future". Of course you may think otherwise, but I do not think an impartial reader would get that idea from your columns. I certainly don't.

    However, I will keep this comment in mind when reading your columns in future. Perhaps it will change my interpretation.

    Thanks,
    R. Bremner
    , @Mishra

    Where does he get this stuff? It is a sort of illiteracy of the higly literate. And confirms my views of Alt-Righters.
     
    Now, now. Let's not generalize, shall we? Even about 'immigratnts'. And while we're at it, the website link on your posts currently reads "fredoneverythng.org"...
    , @Anonymous
    Karlin so wants you to be this straw man he has created of you so you will be easier to beat. He does this all the time with people he disagrees with.
    , @Rurik

    assimilate those immigratnts who cannot be deported.
     

    And confirms my views of Alt-Righters.
     
    perhaps the problem is your assimilation solution

    you advocate blending with the Mexicans by marriage, don't you?

    and any reluctance to do so, you mock as 'gas station louts trying to protect their bodily fluids',

    don't you?

    but here's the problem..

    how do you get Mexicans like George Lopez

    https://www.nettv4u.com/uploads/george-donates-funds-to-princers-family..png

    to show a romantic interest in American white women like Lana Lokteff

    https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/mFlJGk31TWN32bXctJ82rgtPwiw=/0x0:1578x828/1200x800/filters:focal(592x259:844x511)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/56727059/Lokteff.0.png

    when, as she points out in the video, Mexicans have no interest in dating 'flat ass white whores'?!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5DqTJz9zFk

    so I hope Fred will contemplate this dilemma. Perhaps the solution is butt implants?

    what do you think Fred...

    how can we get Lana and George together to breed that 'America of the future' you advocate?!

    , @Anatoly Karlin
    I have not been following this thread since I left for Romania on June 1.

    However, Fred kindly directed my attention to this comment, where he further expounded on his thoughts. The bulk of my response is reprinted below:

    1. I am not Alt Right, I am a Russian nationalist, just as you are a Mexican nationalist. Consequently, I am not overly (if at all) concerned with American immigration policy, including as it pertains to Mexico. Obviously, American nationalists, such as Thorfinnsson, will be extremely concerned and indeed "triggered" by it. But at the end of the day, I really am quite indifferent to this issue.

    2. I read only some of your articles (perhaps 25%). Of those I skim more than I read approximately half. I do not recall where you said that mass immigration was a mistake, but if so, apologies for inadvertently misrepresenting your position. However, your opposition (as I recall) even to relatively tame measures such as DACA repeal does make you an immigration dove in practice. I find it difficult to imagine you closing off the borders to any appreciable extent if you were to magically become US President.

    3. It is slightly ironic that you criticize me for misrepresenting the details of your position, but ascribe general positions to me that are far more incredible ("Fred thinks Mexicans are decent people and so favors mass immigration through open borders, the destruction of the white race, and the end of Western civilization"). If you read through my comments to your blog, you would note that I am neither a Latinophobe (addressing your excess Latinophilia is not Latinophobia), and if you read me more generally, you would also note that my concerns for the white race or Western civilization are quite limited.

    Objectively, it seems pretty likely that the Hispanics will not converge to US White IQ levels (even the early generations of Mexican immigrants haven't, as Jason Richwine pointed out; so expecting this of Guatemalans seems all the more unrealistic). As the Hispanic share of the population increases due to higher fertility rates, younger age profiles, and continued immigration/family reunification, there will be negative pressure on average IQ - that is presumably a bad thing for the US, since lower IQ correlates well with many other negative things. OTOH, a more Latin US will lower the drinking age of 18 (nice for teens), more street graffiti (tastes differ), will have less political correctness (good for non-SJWs), and will be decidedly less enraptured by the prospect of fighting more wars for Israel (good for almost everyone).
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  61. anon[204] • Disclaimer says:

    Don’t love China but I do look forward to them giving our self-serving tech plantation owners a run for their money. Bring on the Chinese competitors for Amazon, Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Apple, Uber, AirBnB, Netflix, and take down fecking Starbucks. I’m sick of these self-serving arrogant virtue signaling libtard masters of the universe who do nothing but censor free speech, buy influence in DC and sell out the country by importing cheap foreign labor by the millions. These fifth columnists need a good kick in the pants.

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  62. Anon[298] • Disclaimer says:
    @Frederick V. Reed
    Anatoly Karlin: "Reed – The US needs to imports tens of millions more Hispanics [insert some boomer strawman argument about how stupid and uninformed Alt Righters are]"

    Karlin appears to be a lock-step thinker who reads what he expects rather than what is written. I have said endlessly that mass immigration was a mistake, that America should close its border and assimilate those immigratnts who cannot be deported. This turns into "Fred wants to import millions...." Where does he get this stuff? It is a sort of illiteracy of the higly literate. And confirms my views of Alt-Righters.

    Mr. Reed,

    The issue turns on this phrase.

    those immigratnts who cannot be deported

    I and others who are not white nationalists or alt-righters have the distinct impression that this means “all of them– now or in the future”. Of course you may think otherwise, but I do not think an impartial reader would get that idea from your columns. I certainly don’t.

    However, I will keep this comment in mind when reading your columns in future. Perhaps it will change my interpretation.

    Thanks,
    R. Bremner

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  63. Truth says:

    Bring on the Chinese competitors for Amazon, Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Apple, Uber, AirBnB, Netflix, and take down fecking Starbucks. I’m sick of these self-serving arrogant virtue signaling libtard masters of the universe who do nothing but censor free speech, buy influence in DC and sell out the country by importing cheap foreign labor by the millions

    .

    …Be careful what you wish for, Sporti-Boy, you just might get it.

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    Bring on the Chinese competitors
     

    …Be careful what you wish for, Sporti-Boy, you just might get it.
     
    Starting to happen, seeing it right about now.
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  65. Why don’t we have affirmative action for airline pilots? These pilots could initially be used to ferry government officials flying in private planes (do you hear me, Nancy?). If that worked out well, they could be added as pilots for Hollywood actors, particularly those that take private jets to global warming and anti-second amendment conventions. The possibilities are unlimited, particularly with the expected high turn-over of pilots.

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    Great idea! They should also transport all the msm journalists, anyone from CNN, MSNBC, NYTimes, WaPo, HuffPo, Slate, ESPN, Disney. Plus all the mayors of sanctuary cities, governors of sanctuary states...the entire Seattle city council. Yes, the possibilities are endless. These are also the people who should only be treated by URM doctors when they get sick.
    , @Pericles
    Is it time to post the 'dancing surgeon' video yet?
    , @megabar
    This would backfire. There are indeed well-qualified minority pilots. Of these, Mrs. Pelosi would get the best, and prove the program a success. Just as other elite whites work well with the most talented of minorities, and then claim that it's the middle-class and poor whites who are racist who can't work with minorities.
    , @Colin Wright
    'Why don’t we have affirmative action for airline pilots? '

    You've reminded me about the quip I read about why no one has demanded female football players -- even though we've insisted on having female infantrypersons.

    It's because we care about the outcome of football games.
    , @CCZ
    But we may very likely have Affirmative Action Air Traffic Controllers.

    Friday [June 2, 2018] on Fox News Channel’s “Tucker Carlson Tonight,” aviation attorney Michael Pearson warned host Tucker Carlson that the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) was putting diversity ahead of public safety with its hiring practices for air traffic controllers.

    Carlson explained how the FAA rewarded job applicants on a biographical questionnaire with extra credit for answers demonstrating the applicants’ possible contribution to diversity over those that might show candidates as more qualified for an air traffic controller opening.

    CARLSON: Talking about air traffic controllers – OK? – who are the linchpin of public safety and transportation. Why would the FAA want people with less relevant skills in air traffic control for air traffic controllers?

    PEARSON: Because a group within the FAA, including the human resources function within the FAA, including the National Black Coalition of Federal Aviation Employees, determined that the workforce was too white.

    http://www.breitbart.com/video/2018/06/02/aviation-attorney-to-tucker-carlson-faa-is-putting-diversity-ahead-of-safety/
     

    Some primary source data:

    FAA Statement on the Barrier Analysis of the Air Traffic Control Specialist Centralized Hiring Process (April 16, 2013)

    Administrator Michael Huerta has made an historic commitment to transform the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) into a more diverse and inclusive workplace that reflects, understands, and relates to the diverse customers we serve. To meet this goal and satisfy the requirements of the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission MD-715, the Administrator tasked the Office of the Assistant Administrator for Civil Rights to conduct barrier analyses of the Air Traffic Control Specialist (ATCS) Centralized Hiring Process, Aviation Safety Inspectors, and Airway Transportation Systems Specialists.

    Adverse impact was found at several hurdles in the ATCS selection process, as well as across the overall ATCS selection process. Specifically, two of our three focal groups (African Americans and Females) have disproportionately lower pass rates than White and Male applicants for both minimum qualification hurdles (automated and HR) as well as for the CSP selection process.

    https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/acr/eeo_affirm_program/media/Extension_to_Barrier_Analysis_Report.pdf
     


    The FAA adopted the new test, called a biographical assessment, this year [2014]. The 62-question test asks applicants about their abilities, life experiences and work backgrounds. It also asks how they've handled various stressful situations. Only about one-in-12 applicants passed the test.

    Many students spend money and time attending FAA-sponsored aeronautics colleges, such as Mt. San Antonio College in the San Gabriel Valley city of Walnut. The test is controversial because those students, who would normally have a big advantage getting into air controller training, are put on the same footing as applicants off the street who may apply with just three years of solid work experience in any field.

    The new test is intended to broaden the pool of air traffic controller candidates beyond those who attend the 36 schools that partner with the FAA, U.S. Transportation Secretary Anthony Foxx said in a congressional hearing this year.

    In 2012, the FAA and the Civil Rights Division of the U.S. Department of Justice analyzed the barriers that women and minorities face when trying to get jobs at the FAA. It found only five percent of the air traffic controller applicants coming from the FAA partnership schools were African-American.

    https://www.scpr.org/blogs/politics/2014/04/18/16419/most-air-traffic-control-applicants-fail-new-faa-p/


     

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  66. anon[204] • Disclaimer says:
    @cylindrical crown
    Why don't we have affirmative action for airline pilots? These pilots could initially be used to ferry government officials flying in private planes (do you hear me, Nancy?). If that worked out well, they could be added as pilots for Hollywood actors, particularly those that take private jets to global warming and anti-second amendment conventions. The possibilities are unlimited, particularly with the expected high turn-over of pilots.

    Great idea! They should also transport all the msm journalists, anyone from CNN, MSNBC, NYTimes, WaPo, HuffPo, Slate, ESPN, Disney. Plus all the mayors of sanctuary cities, governors of sanctuary states…the entire Seattle city council. Yes, the possibilities are endless. These are also the people who should only be treated by URM doctors when they get sick.

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    That's like expecting them to live next door to the wretched third-world refuse (but I repeat myself) they're importing. Ain't gonna happen.
    , @Anon
    Much, much better suggestion. As well as AA pilots, have all the mechanics that service those planes be grads of the Tuskegee Institute of Affirmative Action African American Airplane Mechanics.
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  67. anon[204] • Disclaimer says:

    The Chinese are flocking to our universities to study STEM, which means our higher ed is still better than theirs, so if our STEM subjects are dumbed down, they get dumbed down too. Maybe human development has peaked. Modern civilization is on its way down. If we can’t all be equally smart, then we must all be equally dumb.

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    The chinese are flocking to western universities not because your institutions are better, but because they are second-rate students who couldnt hack it in the motherland, whose universities - due to the socialist system - does NOT have the financial incentive to take in any and every student that enrols.
    , @Bill jones
    You are confusing "better" with "more highly recognized".
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  68. anon[204] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    Well, as you point out, measuring this is hard. Patents statistics exist ofc but as you're well aware they are inflated by blatant, mass-scale IP hogging in the East Asian countries.

    In any case, since whites seem to have an advantage in innovation, while Asians are more proficient in improvement, all else equal it would appear that a technologically stagnant world will be one in which Asians are relatively more powerful than they would otherwise be.

    Patents statistics exist ofc but as you’re well aware they are inflated by blatant, mass-scale IP hogging in the East Asian countries.

    I worked in software. It’s mind boggling the kind of stuff we apply for patents for in the US, even the most mundane design change for a scrollbar or a flyout menu will try to apply for a patent. Those who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.

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    Karlin only looks for data that confirms his opinions. So he likely doesn't care what you said.
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  69. MarkinLA says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    You are more than welcome to tell these men and women based on their contributions they are clearly bot from civilizations below the african desert.

    https://www.thoughtco.com/african-american-inventors-1991278


    https://famous-mathematicians.com/10-famous-black-mathematicians-and-their-contributions/


    http://www.gradeamathhelp.com/black-mathematicians.html


    "Nuts"

    Did you actually bother to read what the “contributions” of those black mathematicians were? The first black to get a PhD, the first black to get one at … This is hardly the stuff of legend. Plenty of people who nobody cares (or ever hears about) about get PhDs in mathematics. These people are at the same level.

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    The point is very simple --- apparent;y blacks are capable of upper mathematical concepts, given the number with the aptitude, diligence and or both ---

    I suspect that Africans and their descendants from below the Saharan desert have always had that ability and certainly, as demonstrated have that ability today. Now i could quibble with who was first and what not -- but bottom line -- once the premise is broken - it's broken.

    Whatever notions about brain capacity and ability is refuted in spades, --- no pun intended.


    You have no idea what level they are on -- as stated before ignorance is not their lack of contribution or achievement --- but your comment they are the same level as everyone else -- is humorous. And apparently they are proving the most important contribution knocking down peculiar notions about black brain capacity developed as far back as the 1700's. The only tragedy is that so many people actually still believe it and have the nerve to teach and repeat it.

    Might want to take a look at the number of people who actually graduate with degrees in this field ---

    https://www.aip.org/sites/default/files/statistics/graduate/graddegrees-p-08.pdf


    First it was they didn't. Then ti was they couldn't. Now it has to be they must be legends . . . laughing. Your premise of gone and the data sets previous provided further the point.

    Plenty of legends the question us more than likely legends for whom. I am not in the field, but i suspect that there plenty of legends in physics, but those are bonuses and quite unnecessary to the initial commentary.

    https://www.nist.gov/speech-testimony/african-american-technological-contributions-past-present-and-future

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  70. anon[204] • Disclaimer says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    i would challenge the "unavoidable" press here. Since I bemoan the gutting of AA as intended and as originally designed. It is false that any program admit unqualified blacks or lowered their standards to admit them. what traditional educational facilities had done was fail to recruit qualified african americans -- their policies were insular. And in many cases of was revealed that qualified blacks were dismissed on the basis of color. In other-words, they recruited whites above qualified blacks , even unqualified whites were accepted. The goal of AA was never to lower standard.

    And while it has been great excuse among whites for all manner of complaint -- there was never a demand for lowered standards -- that has been done in multiple arenas for women and by women, i am speaking largely of white women. Your press reinforces the unqualified black mantra to blame for lowered standards -- despite the press that it doesn't matter.

    Whether or not it hurts science or the society in general is hard to weigh -- it may very well help, but to know we would need to examine the results and impact of the work of the so called "dumb" scientists from the smart scientists. i am not convinced that the ozone layer "bubbling oceans" scare scenario was the work of dumb scientists of smart scientists.


    The price for social peace is to avoid artificial barriers to full participation -- fairness. I tend to think people get it -- all things being fair - will not get equal returns for everyone. The problem has been our failure to work towards "all things being fair."


    I can't give one kid a gocart with four wheels and another kid a cart with two and claim that upon entering the competition -- it's fair and proceed to make all manner of excuse why it is fair while ignoring the obvious disparity and worse blaming the kid who was denied access to building a car with four wheels wheels.

    It is false that any program admit unqualified blacks or lowered their standards to admit them.

    Thomas Espenshade’s report on the SAT 450 pt black advantage over Asians and 340 black advantage over whites in college admission has been widely quoted for some time.

    https://www.princeton.edu/~tje/files/files/webAdmission%20Preferences%20Espenshade%20Chung%20Walling%20Dec%202004.pdf

    Another example from Heather MacDonald’s excellent article that Fred Reed linked to in this article:

    https://www.city-journal.org/html/how-identity-politics-harming-sciences-15826.html

    From 2013 to 2016, medical schools nationally admitted 57 percent of black applicants with a low MCAT of 24 to 26, but only 8 percent of whites and 6 percent of Asians with those same low scores, according to Claremont McKenna professor Frederick Lynch.

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    I think you might want to read the conversation again.
    , @EliteCommInc.
    Legends . . . in more ways than one:

    http://physicsbuzz.physicscentral.com/2013/02/african-americans-in-physics.html
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  71. One of the most pernicious effects of affirmative action is that it effectively reinforces and even justifies the very bias it is intended to offset.

    I saw this happening in my own case when I was selecting a doctor from Kaiser’s staff. I am prejudiced against blacks and make no bones about it, but I have no such feelings concerning Hispanics — at least, Hispanics of the Indian-Spanish persuasion rather than of black-Spanish descent. I mention this only to emphasize what happened anyway.

    As I went scrolling along through the pages of faces, I realized that whatever my feelings, it would be a rather poor idea to select a Hispanic doctor. Why? Because he/she could easily be only marginally qualified or competent but passed along anyway in order to meet affirmative action quotas. I’ve certainly seen that in other fields.

    So my absence of bias notwithstanding, because of the reality of affirmative action, the rational course of action was to select an Asian or White face. In fact, I eventually plumped for an Asian woman, and perfectly agreeable and competent she turned out to be, too.

    Affirmative action may be intended to counteract the effects of bias. In a certain brute-force way, it may even realize that goal to some extent. However, it simultaneously makes bias rational. The beneficiaries of affirmative action are necessarily more likely to be unqualified or incompetent. One can be completely without prejudice and yet find oneself choosing to discriminate because affirmative action makes it make sense.

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    I worked with a couple of Nigerians for a while on an IT project (they were the test team). They both said that in Africa, when blacks get on an airplane the first thing they do is check to make sure that the pilot is white.
    , @vinteuil

    Affirmative action may be intended to counteract the effects of bias. In a certain brute-force way, it may even realize that goal to some extent. However, it simultaneously makes bias rational.
     
    Yes. All too true. Some years ago, I needed a broken tooth capped. The nearest dentist on my provider list turned out to be a black woman. I didn't understand, at the time, the prevalence of affirmative action in medical fields, so I didn't think twice.

    Never again. It was pure torture. Simple incompetence or active malice? Who knows. But I will never again willingly go with a black medical professional.

    Affirmative action makes bias rational.
    , @Stan d Mute

    I saw this happening in my own case when I was selecting a doctor from Kaiser’s staff. I am prejudiced against blacks and make no bones about it, but I have no such feelings concerning Hispanics — at least, Hispanics of the Indian-Spanish persuasion rather than of black-Spanish descent. I mention this only to emphasize what happened anyway.
     
    Great comment. Just to help illustrate the point, look at this:

    http://www.stjoeshealth.org/body.cfm?id=6863&action=list&limit_startswith_specialty1=Cardiology&distance=No%20preference&sortby=name&pageno=5&view=list

    You have to analyze (1) for AA, (2) selectivity of the med school, and (3) residency/career accomplishment to hedge against things like legacy admits (think GWB at Yale) for those who regressed significantly from Dr Genius Daddy to the mean. The massive proliferation of “doctors” from “upstares medicle skule” is terrifying when you consider your LACK of choice in an emergency situation...
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  72. Thomm says:

    In other news :

    Ron Unz is winning. The official US Census site indicates California is 72.7% white. Only 37.7% are ‘non-Hispanic White’, but it seems that 90% of Hispanics are now counted as white.

    https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/CA/RHI125216

    And this is just California. Nationwide, the numbers are :

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_States#Race_and_ethnicity

    73.3% white, with no separate category for ‘Hispanic’. The ‘Other Race’ category of 4.8% obviously comprises the brownest Hispanics, but only the brownest. Further down, you can see that of the 17.1% that are Hispanic, 11.3% are considered ‘white’. So two-thirds of Hispanics in America are considered ‘white’.

    Remember that this has happened in the past before. Whenever the white population drops below 60%, the next-closest group is re-classified as ‘white’ to get the percentage back up to above 80%.

    First it was Irish, then Italians, Jews, and Poles, then Middle Easterners, and now Hispanics.

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  73. Thomm says:
    @Bragadocious
    Blacks contribute nothing and Hispanics, to date anyway, very little

    Wait, what? Who is this writer and what have you done with Fred Reed? He loves to tell us about First World Mexico, about how they know how to do stuff like operate and repair ATM machines. (When they're not kidnapping people using them I guess)

    If this is Reed, is he backtracking?

    If this is Reed, is he backtracking?

    er… Fred Reed is a useful shock troop in Ron Unz’s master plan to destroy White Trashionalists, as described here :

    http://www.unz.com/freed/mexican-wall-blues-and-some-other-stuff/#comment-2345343

    Fred Reed’s specific role is to confuse WNs, ensuring that they self-subdue.

    I am strongly in support of what Ron Unz is doing. The WN wiggers still can’t figure out what is obvious to normal people.

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  74. @anon

    It is false that any program admit unqualified blacks or lowered their standards to admit them.
     
    Thomas Espenshade's report on the SAT 450 pt black advantage over Asians and 340 black advantage over whites in college admission has been widely quoted for some time.
    https://www.princeton.edu/~tje/files/files/webAdmission%20Preferences%20Espenshade%20Chung%20Walling%20Dec%202004.pdf

    Another example from Heather MacDonald's excellent article that Fred Reed linked to in this article:
    https://www.city-journal.org/html/how-identity-politics-harming-sciences-15826.html

    From 2013 to 2016, medical schools nationally admitted 57 percent of black applicants with a low MCAT of 24 to 26, but only 8 percent of whites and 6 percent of Asians with those same low scores, according to Claremont McKenna professor Frederick Lynch.
     

    I think you might want to read the conversation again.

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    The lack of reading comprehension due to your low IQ is your problem. Its pretty obvious from those numbers that blacks are essentially being shoved into a privileged position which actively harms others.
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  75. Alfa158 says:

    The word “wigger” comes from combining “White” and “nigger”. It refers to White people who admire blacks and wish that they were black people. In what respect are White Nationalists people who admire blacks and wish they were black?
    You should look up the definition of a word before you use it.

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    In what respect are White Nationalists people who admire blacks and wish they were black?
     
    It is you who are unaware of the terminology. The meaning of the word changed around 1994.

    The reason White Trashionalists have more in common with blacks than successful whites can be listed as follows.

    i) The tendency to see race in everything.
    ii) Low IQ, particularly in mathematical concepts. WNs cannot read graphs and charts.
    iii) Left-wing economic views.
    iv) Laziness and low economic productivity.
    v) High tolerance of female obesity.


    For this reason, it is highly correct to use that term to describe WNs.
    , @Anonymous
    Thomm is from India so he doesn't understand the context.
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  76. @MarkinLA
    Did you actually bother to read what the "contributions" of those black mathematicians were? The first black to get a PhD, the first black to get one at … This is hardly the stuff of legend. Plenty of people who nobody cares (or ever hears about) about get PhDs in mathematics. These people are at the same level.

    The point is very simple — apparent;y blacks are capable of upper mathematical concepts, given the number with the aptitude, diligence and or both —

    I suspect that Africans and their descendants from below the Saharan desert have always had that ability and certainly, as demonstrated have that ability today. Now i could quibble with who was first and what not — but bottom line — once the premise is broken – it’s broken.

    Whatever notions about brain capacity and ability is refuted in spades, — no pun intended.

    You have no idea what level they are on — as stated before ignorance is not their lack of contribution or achievement — but your comment they are the same level as everyone else — is humorous. And apparently they are proving the most important contribution knocking down peculiar notions about black brain capacity developed as far back as the 1700′s. The only tragedy is that so many people actually still believe it and have the nerve to teach and repeat it.

    Might want to take a look at the number of people who actually graduate with degrees in this field —

    https://www.aip.org/sites/default/files/statistics/graduate/graddegrees-p-08.pdf

    First it was they didn’t. Then ti was they couldn’t. Now it has to be they must be legends . . . laughing. Your premise of gone and the data sets previous provided further the point.

    Plenty of legends the question us more than likely legends for whom. I am not in the field, but i suspect that there plenty of legends in physics, but those are bonuses and quite unnecessary to the initial commentary.

    https://www.nist.gov/speech-testimony/african-american-technological-contributions-past-present-and-future

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    Responding to you is obviously a fool's errand; still you might consider that a degree from MIT and one from Fountainhead College of Technology aren't quite equivalent.
    , @Anon
    Have you no understanding of the Gaussian normal distribution, aka the Bell Curve.? Suppose you need an IQ of 125 to be a serious physicist (no more than say 2 per cent of all professors of physics being below that) and the African-American average IQ is 85 v. Whites' 100 (standard deviation 15 for both) of course you are going to find sufficiently smart black physicists. But show us you understand the implications of the Gaussian Normal Distribution by telling us what proportion of blacks will have reached the aforesaid thtedhold IQ in comparison with whites......
    , @anon
    Any black who can do long division is instantly recruited to Harvard as "best and brightest", however since that number is so low, Harvard is now forced to accept those who can do long division with a calculator.
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  77. 200 million white Americans? One of the markers for intelligence is the ability to count. The Law of Inertia of Large Numbers indicates 130 million, tops.

    If you keep inflating the numbers how do you ever expect to keep your minority status?

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  78. @anon

    It is false that any program admit unqualified blacks or lowered their standards to admit them.
     
    Thomas Espenshade's report on the SAT 450 pt black advantage over Asians and 340 black advantage over whites in college admission has been widely quoted for some time.
    https://www.princeton.edu/~tje/files/files/webAdmission%20Preferences%20Espenshade%20Chung%20Walling%20Dec%202004.pdf

    Another example from Heather MacDonald's excellent article that Fred Reed linked to in this article:
    https://www.city-journal.org/html/how-identity-politics-harming-sciences-15826.html

    From 2013 to 2016, medical schools nationally admitted 57 percent of black applicants with a low MCAT of 24 to 26, but only 8 percent of whites and 6 percent of Asians with those same low scores, according to Claremont McKenna professor Frederick Lynch.
     
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  79. @RealAmerican
    How can any American kid, white, black, or Hispanic compete with a Chinese student when there are Friday night football games, and Saturday night bar scenes to attend. Would you, Fred, could you spend your whole weekend studying mathematics and chemistry at the expense of beautiful, provocative, sultry, flirtatious, tempting and irresistible young American women. If you were a youngster in today's America?

    I had a lot more fun on Friday nights staying home reading an old O-chem textbook than I ever did at the bar scene. A still, starry night, a glass of brandy, and a slice of being to contemplate. Those are the times that stick with you.

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    You drank brandy and read organic chemistry as a teen?
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  80. CCZ says:

    Hand in hand with “adverse demographic changes and SJWization” is the “decolonization” of Western science and philosophy, most heavily advocated by university faculty and students in Africa and, increasingly, in Europe, Canada, and the United States. Interesting how no “decolonizers” appear to be Chinese, Japanese, or Korean.

    A concise example is the below 4 minute video from the University of Cape Town that promotes the “fall” of Western science.

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    I majored in physics not least because it presented an objective picture of reality, which was very mentally relaxing for me. I suspect I wasn't alone.

    One thing I'm doing with my time away from politics: slowly getting back into physics and math. It's a nice protection against the Stupid Ages.

    , @vinteuil
    At 1:00 in this video, some poor fool, apparently unable to contain himself any longer, exclaims "it's not true" (that "black magic" enables one "to send a lightning to strike someone.")

    Just watch the indignant reaction. The porky white girl slaps her little hands and sucks on her water bottle, such is her wrath.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    What a splendid piece of evidence for colonization by the nutty French postmodernists. Alan Sokal of the famous hoax couldn't produce better satire.
    , @anon
    So decolonization has now come to science. According to this woman decolonization of science means to take out all the "western" science and teach science from an African perspective, like explaining the voodoo black magic that says you can send lighting to strike someone.

    I think she has a point. It makes no sense teaching science to people who can't even understand basic math. Africans are people who only know how to consume, they have zero capacity to understand, build, grow or develop anything they consume. The best thing we could do for Africa is to decolonize completely, take away all the modernity brought on by science and colonialism, let these people return to wondering buck naked in the African jungles with bones in their noses, it's the way they are meant to live. Africans are not meant to live like modern humans. Stop torturing these poor people.

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  81. @hunor
    jo jo jo wat up

    https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=208_1519416432

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    I posted this limerick on Takimag around the time of the Ted Cruz booger-eating incident:

    Dried morsels of snot are delectable.
    Should eating them mean “unelectable”?
    Go on, pick a winner
    And have it for dinner.
    Let’s make booger-eating respectable!
    , @hunor
    not nearly as vehemently as your sophisticated sister , and at least hi is trying to hide it.
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  82. anonymous[285] • Disclaimer says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    I think you might want to read the conversation again.

    The lack of reading comprehension due to your low IQ is your problem. Its pretty obvious from those numbers that blacks are essentially being shoved into a privileged position which actively harms others.

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  83. anonymous[285] • Disclaimer says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    You are more than welcome to tell these men and women based on their contributions they are clearly bot from civilizations below the african desert.

    https://www.thoughtco.com/african-american-inventors-1991278


    https://famous-mathematicians.com/10-famous-black-mathematicians-and-their-contributions/


    http://www.gradeamathhelp.com/black-mathematicians.html


    "Nuts"

    I highly suspect that you haven’t even read your links. The achievements indicated are trivial.

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  84. Heros says:
    @Colin Wright
    One of the most pernicious effects of affirmative action is that it effectively reinforces and even justifies the very bias it is intended to offset.

    I saw this happening in my own case when I was selecting a doctor from Kaiser's staff. I am prejudiced against blacks and make no bones about it, but I have no such feelings concerning Hispanics -- at least, Hispanics of the Indian-Spanish persuasion rather than of black-Spanish descent. I mention this only to emphasize what happened anyway.

    As I went scrolling along through the pages of faces, I realized that whatever my feelings, it would be a rather poor idea to select a Hispanic doctor. Why? Because he/she could easily be only marginally qualified or competent but passed along anyway in order to meet affirmative action quotas. I've certainly seen that in other fields.

    So my absence of bias notwithstanding, because of the reality of affirmative action, the rational course of action was to select an Asian or White face. In fact, I eventually plumped for an Asian woman, and perfectly agreeable and competent she turned out to be, too.

    Affirmative action may be intended to counteract the effects of bias. In a certain brute-force way, it may even realize that goal to some extent. However, it simultaneously makes bias rational. The beneficiaries of affirmative action are necessarily more likely to be unqualified or incompetent. One can be completely without prejudice and yet find oneself choosing to discriminate because affirmative action makes it make sense.

    I worked with a couple of Nigerians for a while on an IT project (they were the test team). They both said that in Africa, when blacks get on an airplane the first thing they do is check to make sure that the pilot is white.

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    And what does it say about you that you apparently didn't notice that it's a bit late to check on the pilot after they are on the plane, and that you don't report following up with "And what do you do when you find that the (sic - singular) pilot isn't white?"?

    And did it not occur to you that they were exhibiting a robust, or maybe somewhat slyly contemptuous sense of humour at your expense? Mind you they probably would have been right to be serious.
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  85. Anonymous[225] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    The Chinese are flocking to our universities to study STEM, which means our higher ed is still better than theirs, so if our STEM subjects are dumbed down, they get dumbed down too. Maybe human development has peaked. Modern civilization is on its way down. If we can't all be equally smart, then we must all be equally dumb.

    The chinese are flocking to western universities not because your institutions are better, but because they are second-rate students who couldnt hack it in the motherland, whose universities – due to the socialist system – does NOT have the financial incentive to take in any and every student that enrols.

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    Let's not forget these second-rate Chinese students can still run circles academically around any American. Even the dregs of China have sharper minds than the fading westerners.
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  86. Mishra says:
    @Frederick V. Reed
    Anatoly Karlin: "Reed – The US needs to imports tens of millions more Hispanics [insert some boomer strawman argument about how stupid and uninformed Alt Righters are]"

    Karlin appears to be a lock-step thinker who reads what he expects rather than what is written. I have said endlessly that mass immigration was a mistake, that America should close its border and assimilate those immigratnts who cannot be deported. This turns into "Fred wants to import millions...." Where does he get this stuff? It is a sort of illiteracy of the higly literate. And confirms my views of Alt-Righters.

    Where does he get this stuff? It is a sort of illiteracy of the higly literate. And confirms my views of Alt-Righters.

    Now, now. Let’s not generalize, shall we? Even about ‘immigratnts’. And while we’re at it, the website link on your posts currently reads “fredoneverythng.org”…

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    Heh! I try to check my links every time I put one in, on my own blog and others, but I've done the same. I guess Mr. Reed has truly gone native, and therefore has the attitude: "Check my leeenks? I don't need to check no steeening leeenks! Manana, Senor!" See, that's no generalization - I'm being very specific.

    BTW, I never noticed the typo in the link to his own site, but I used to read his site regularly.
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  87. Mishra says:
    @anon
    Great idea! They should also transport all the msm journalists, anyone from CNN, MSNBC, NYTimes, WaPo, HuffPo, Slate, ESPN, Disney. Plus all the mayors of sanctuary cities, governors of sanctuary states...the entire Seattle city council. Yes, the possibilities are endless. These are also the people who should only be treated by URM doctors when they get sick.

    That’s like expecting them to live next door to the wretched third-world refuse (but I repeat myself) they’re importing. Ain’t gonna happen.

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  88. Mishra says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    The point is very simple --- apparent;y blacks are capable of upper mathematical concepts, given the number with the aptitude, diligence and or both ---

    I suspect that Africans and their descendants from below the Saharan desert have always had that ability and certainly, as demonstrated have that ability today. Now i could quibble with who was first and what not -- but bottom line -- once the premise is broken - it's broken.

    Whatever notions about brain capacity and ability is refuted in spades, --- no pun intended.


    You have no idea what level they are on -- as stated before ignorance is not their lack of contribution or achievement --- but your comment they are the same level as everyone else -- is humorous. And apparently they are proving the most important contribution knocking down peculiar notions about black brain capacity developed as far back as the 1700's. The only tragedy is that so many people actually still believe it and have the nerve to teach and repeat it.

    Might want to take a look at the number of people who actually graduate with degrees in this field ---

    https://www.aip.org/sites/default/files/statistics/graduate/graddegrees-p-08.pdf


    First it was they didn't. Then ti was they couldn't. Now it has to be they must be legends . . . laughing. Your premise of gone and the data sets previous provided further the point.

    Plenty of legends the question us more than likely legends for whom. I am not in the field, but i suspect that there plenty of legends in physics, but those are bonuses and quite unnecessary to the initial commentary.

    https://www.nist.gov/speech-testimony/african-american-technological-contributions-past-present-and-future

    Responding to you is obviously a fool’s errand; still you might consider that a degree from MIT and one from Fountainhead College of Technology aren’t quite equivalent.

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  89. vinteuil says:
    @Colin Wright
    One of the most pernicious effects of affirmative action is that it effectively reinforces and even justifies the very bias it is intended to offset.

    I saw this happening in my own case when I was selecting a doctor from Kaiser's staff. I am prejudiced against blacks and make no bones about it, but I have no such feelings concerning Hispanics -- at least, Hispanics of the Indian-Spanish persuasion rather than of black-Spanish descent. I mention this only to emphasize what happened anyway.

    As I went scrolling along through the pages of faces, I realized that whatever my feelings, it would be a rather poor idea to select a Hispanic doctor. Why? Because he/she could easily be only marginally qualified or competent but passed along anyway in order to meet affirmative action quotas. I've certainly seen that in other fields.

    So my absence of bias notwithstanding, because of the reality of affirmative action, the rational course of action was to select an Asian or White face. In fact, I eventually plumped for an Asian woman, and perfectly agreeable and competent she turned out to be, too.

    Affirmative action may be intended to counteract the effects of bias. In a certain brute-force way, it may even realize that goal to some extent. However, it simultaneously makes bias rational. The beneficiaries of affirmative action are necessarily more likely to be unqualified or incompetent. One can be completely without prejudice and yet find oneself choosing to discriminate because affirmative action makes it make sense.

    Affirmative action may be intended to counteract the effects of bias. In a certain brute-force way, it may even realize that goal to some extent. However, it simultaneously makes bias rational.

    Yes. All too true. Some years ago, I needed a broken tooth capped. The nearest dentist on my provider list turned out to be a black woman. I didn’t understand, at the time, the prevalence of affirmative action in medical fields, so I didn’t think twice.

    Never again. It was pure torture. Simple incompetence or active malice? Who knows. But I will never again willingly go with a black medical professional.

    Affirmative action makes bias rational.

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    Similar thing happened to me. They are like children playing at being doctors, lawyers, whatever.

    I am just back from Poland myself: happy Christian people, and everywhere comely whiteness. In a week I saw no more than half a dozen blacks and an equal number of Asians - all tourists.
    What they can do, we can do.

    Been listening to Glen Gould play Bach all evening. What gold he spins.
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  90. Pericles says:
    @manorchurch

    It was not initially intended to lower standards. I have not found those original designs established some 35 years ago.
     
    Intentions are a bitch, with which the road to hell is paved. I never said the intent was to lower standards, but I did observe that the very valid objections raised by the opposition were based on the likelihood it would lower standards.

    Still, AA has been a boon to some, right? Just not a boon to merit, excellence, competence, integrity, etc.

    I never said the intent was to lower standards, but I did observe that the very valid objections raised by the opposition were based on the likelihood it would lower standards.

    Furthermore, and regardless of intent, it turned out the proponents didn’t mind lowering standards. If that be the cost, so be it.

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  91. Pericles says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    welcome,

    i am not going to granting any uncorroborated data about Africa. Trying untangle the various african civilizations requires more than IQ testing and certainly a better grasp history of the region than understood by Mr Reed, if in fact that is what he believes.

    It never fails that when the premise demonstrated o be flawed, the trump attempt is aha

    but the subsaharans are dumb. First, we know so little about the region before colonialism because -- the desert was a massive barrier. But what further defeats the argument is the knowledge that the slaves largely from the region used their skills in architecture, construction and urban planning to wait for it --- enhance heating and cooling plantation homes, architecture . . . apparently, you haven't ever visited a plantation . . . given the knowledge those slaves brought and demonstrated, it's a bit obtuse that thy didn't have use of math. Whether any of that was adopted prior to routes past the desert is just an unknown. But one need not be a genius to understand that human civilization doesn't exist in a vacuum. The early architectural skills -- were certainly shared and passed on. As for formal math --- practical math works for me. i suspect given the trade routes including those linked to the southwesren coasts of North America -- indicates that africans even south of the sahara managed to sail to the oceans. I always thought whites got here first.

    Not knowing the contributions is not the same thing as said contributions not existing.


    http://history-world.org/africa.htm

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaoyqZn1ELI

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN_gZi4hnY4


    When i was in grade school, i had no idea that native americans actually built cities in the hills, and irrigated their farms, etc.

    Ignorance is not the same thing as nonexistence.


    As for math and blacks : I think the evidence is overwhelming that even with discrimination -- millions of blacks grasp mathematical concepts. more importantly --- very few people need to know math beyond the basics or level one algebra. The qualifications for what one is entitled to is citizenship, not math skills. To wit, let's make sure we undo the damage of denying equal access and then address what blacks are capable of --

    I am sure the Tuskegee airmen are having a good laugh at Mr. Reeds peculiar ideas. But what this confirms is that the country is in deep need of repair --- It;s frightening to understand that millions of US citizens have held these views expressed and at the same rime been responsible for ensuring black citizens be treated as citizens

    200 years of white thinking in full display.

    Note: you do realize that being hispanic is not a skin color -- and whoever created the concept as part of color demographics has a serious problem with categorical distinctions. I would have thought Mr Reed would be immediate to point that out as the white brown, dark brown divide is very intense in mexico.

    even someone with my low IQ gets that. In my view Their congress is whiter than our own.

    As for math and blacks : I think the evidence is overwhelming that even with discrimination — millions of blacks grasp mathematical concepts. more importantly — very few people need to know math beyond the basics or level one algebra. The qualifications for what one is entitled to is citizenship, not math skills. To wit, let’s make sure we undo the damage of denying equal access and then address what blacks are capable of

    Lol.

    To the powers that be: Send this guy to advise the Republicans on political strategy. You won’t regret it.

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  92. nebulafox says:
    @Bragadocious
    Blacks contribute nothing and Hispanics, to date anyway, very little

    Wait, what? Who is this writer and what have you done with Fred Reed? He loves to tell us about First World Mexico, about how they know how to do stuff like operate and repair ATM machines. (When they're not kidnapping people using them I guess)

    If this is Reed, is he backtracking?

    Muslims in the ghettos of Europe are generally far more dysfunctional than Muslims in the at least reasonably developed sections of Muslim World. I suspect that there’s a similar dynamic going on here between Mexican Mexicans, who live in a reasonably developed if messy country, and the less well-performing migrants, who tend to be heavily working class, much like their Muslim counterparts in Europe. Ghettoized, heavily working or underclass minorities are, with few exceptions, a headache for a more affluent, educated host nation, no matter what their skin color or creed is.

    Note that El Salvador, Guatemala, Puerto Rico, etc, are way, way poorer and more dysfunctional than Mexico, and Hispanic immigration has also been heavy from those areas-which unlike Mexico, have far less direct history and interaction with the US, leading to less assimilation. Note also that such nations tend to be far more split between the indigenous many and creole white oligarchs, whereas Mexico has far more of a broad spectrum caused by large scale European (and more recently, Korean and Lebanese) immigration.

    I’ve been to Mexico, although I’ve never lived there, unlike Fred Reed, so take my words with a grain of salt. My honest impression, from my admittedly limited experience, is that I’d put Mexico around Thailand’s level, development wise. A little below the likes of Malaysia or Spain or the Southern Cone, more further below the likes of Taiwan or Finland or the ROK, but decidedly above lower-middle class nations (Indonesia, Vietnam, Colombia), let alone genuinely poor ones (the Philippines, the subcontinent, Central America and the Caribbean). It’s pretty solidly middle of the pack, globally speaking, perhaps at the lower-rungs of the upper-middle class. I mean, life expectancy in Mexico has shot up over the past several decades. Mexico’s birth-rates have plummeted. Starvation was a big part of life for your average Mexican peasant as recently as 50 years ago: that’s not the case anymore. No more stupid diseases, a general base line of public health, etc. There’s a mass, solid middle class in Mexico, very much unlike in, say, Guatemala. Freedom of the press is generally respected unless they go after the wrong people too hard, etc. Mexico’s developing IT and tech sectors, in particular, are booming and are starting to attract foreign (including American) talent. And there’s no reason to think, barring a catastrophe, this won’t continue until Mexico becomes a top 10 economy in the coming decades.

    The people are Catholic, speak a European language, are partially (or for upper-bourgeois and higher Mexicans, fully so) European, and given a reasonable base line of education and skills, can assimilate quite well into American culture. There are a host of leftists with a stake in making this not happen and turning them into another ghettoized minority, we really don’t need to be joining them. Rovian fantasies about combining Chamber of Commerce fantasies with amnesty are ludicrous, of course, not least because, again, the migrants tend to be heavily working class. But a more socioeconomically sane Republican Party (“how can we make the market work for average Americans and set up a real meritocracy with yeoman independence rather than the neo-feudal phony meritocracy of the Democrats?”) could exploit the fault lines in the Democratic coalition that are inevitably starting to form, and with an eye toward an assimilation, upworldy mobile future in which the Democrats remain the party of the resentful fringes.

    Now, none of this is to say everything is hunky-dory in Mexico. Entrenched corruption is omnipresent, and a large part of why the PRI looks to be in trouble this election season. The police are not much better than the criminals in Mexico. The political elite are largely untouched by law, much like in Thailand: they can get away with nonsense (like assassinating populists they don’t like) that makes the American bipartisan political elite quite jealous (hence their enthusiasm to merge us further with Mexico). The line between government official and criminal underground is sometimes quite blurry. Neo-feudal income stratification and lack of mobility, despite recent advances, is still a major issue, and part of the reason the Mexican government is obsessed with keeping illegal immigrants going to the US (quite hypocritically, given their own treatment of illegal immigrants) is fear of what would happen if the underclass grows too big and the Mexican economy explodes. Much like Argentina, it can be fragile.

    (Mexican culture is also openly “Euro-normative”, or whatever the SJWs call it these days, to a degree that many liberals seem to have a hard time fathoming. Naturally, this is because treat brown-skinned people as abstractions meant to show off their own progressiveness rather than… actual human beings, capable of all the hypocrisies, nastiness, and fragilities of the breed. To say that Mexicans can have less than PC views about blacks and Central Americans is an understatement.)

    That said, the alt-right’s view of Mexico as this third world hellhole is ludicrous. There are real third world hellholes right to the south and east of Mexico, if you want a good comparison. The only thing that makes Mexico stand out from the likes of Thailand and Malaysia are the absurd crime rates (caused in part by the War on Drugs), but generally speaking, the narcos are far more interested in making their own people miserable than foreigners. The only exception to this are potential foreign millionaire hostages, but hey, they have the money to hire security, and judging from their own plans to make the USA more like Mexico, they’d better get used to doing that. Maybe they could talk to Carlos Slim.

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    Great comment and supplement to Mr. Reed's highly-biased take on the matter, Mr. Fox.
    , @Bragadocious
    given a reasonable base line of education and skills, can assimilate quite well into American culture

    But they don't, generally. Reason: your qualifier. "Given a reasonable base line." Coming to the USA with a 6th grade education is not a good plan. It doesn't work out for most people.

    the alt-right’s view of Mexico as this third world hellhole is ludicrous

    Why should anyone care what the alt-right thinks of Mexico? I know Reed loves to go on and on about this topic, but he just sounds like a hysterical snowflake. I have opinions about the shittiness of Britain, and I would guess no one in Britain cares what I think. The point isn't what Mexico is or isn't, it's what Mexico brings to the USA. What it brings is ghettos, poverty, failing schools, drug dealing, cheap labor for the 1%, and a few decent restaurants.
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  93. Pericles says:
    @cylindrical crown
    Why don't we have affirmative action for airline pilots? These pilots could initially be used to ferry government officials flying in private planes (do you hear me, Nancy?). If that worked out well, they could be added as pilots for Hollywood actors, particularly those that take private jets to global warming and anti-second amendment conventions. The possibilities are unlimited, particularly with the expected high turn-over of pilots.

    Is it time to post the ‘dancing surgeon’ video yet?

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  94. bomag says:
    @Abelard Lindsey
    Perhaps there is a market for STEM universities outside the U.S. that will admit exclusively on merit and no other criteria. Assuming that China does not collapse from within (they have a seriously over-leveraged banking system), is it not possible that American students might try to get into Chinese and other Asian universities around 2035 because the diversicrats have utterly destroyed ours?

    Perhaps there is a market for STEM universities outside the U.S. that will admit exclusively on merit and no other criteria.

    A better way forward might be online learning coupled with proctored testing.

    Foreign universities face the same pozzed influences as here.

    Since higher ed is mostly signalling your worthiness to join the Swamp/Cathedral, most countries; China especially; are pretty cagey about letting it be a springboard into their inner sanctums.

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  95. nebulafox says:
    @CCZ
    Hand in hand with "adverse demographic changes and SJWization" is the "decolonization" of Western science and philosophy, most heavily advocated by university faculty and students in Africa and, increasingly, in Europe, Canada, and the United States. Interesting how no "decolonizers" appear to be Chinese, Japanese, or Korean.

    A concise example is the below 4 minute video from the University of Cape Town that promotes the "fall" of Western science.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9SiRNibD14

    I majored in physics not least because it presented an objective picture of reality, which was very mentally relaxing for me. I suspect I wasn’t alone.

    One thing I’m doing with my time away from politics: slowly getting back into physics and math. It’s a nice protection against the Stupid Ages.

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  96. vinteuil says:
    @CCZ
    Hand in hand with "adverse demographic changes and SJWization" is the "decolonization" of Western science and philosophy, most heavily advocated by university faculty and students in Africa and, increasingly, in Europe, Canada, and the United States. Interesting how no "decolonizers" appear to be Chinese, Japanese, or Korean.

    A concise example is the below 4 minute video from the University of Cape Town that promotes the "fall" of Western science.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9SiRNibD14

    At 1:00 in this video, some poor fool, apparently unable to contain himself any longer, exclaims “it’s not true” (that “black magic” enables one “to send a lightning to strike someone.”)

    Just watch the indignant reaction. The porky white girl slaps her little hands and sucks on her water bottle, such is her wrath.

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  97. Anon[436] • Disclaimer says:
    @Realist

    ....phlogiston...
     
    Phlogiston??? When did you go to school? Did you know Johann Joachim Becher ?

    Realists don’t have to be unimaginative plodders who don’t recognise the satirical or spoof.

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    Realists don’t have to be unimaginative plodders who don’t recognise the satirical or spoof.
     
    Gee thanks....my comment was meant in jest.

    But you knew that, you're still pissed off about the verbal ass kicking I gave you awhile back....grow up.
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  98. Add the National Academy of Sciences to the list of diversity-obsessed organizations. They do nothing without ensuring that women and minorities are front and center. They try hard to not compromise their products, but that is inevitable and this approach always adds inefficiency and costs.

    Science move over, here comes diversity optics and engineer gyrrl

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  99. Anon[436] • Disclaimer says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    The point is very simple --- apparent;y blacks are capable of upper mathematical concepts, given the number with the aptitude, diligence and or both ---

    I suspect that Africans and their descendants from below the Saharan desert have always had that ability and certainly, as demonstrated have that ability today. Now i could quibble with who was first and what not -- but bottom line -- once the premise is broken - it's broken.

    Whatever notions about brain capacity and ability is refuted in spades, --- no pun intended.


    You have no idea what level they are on -- as stated before ignorance is not their lack of contribution or achievement --- but your comment they are the same level as everyone else -- is humorous. And apparently they are proving the most important contribution knocking down peculiar notions about black brain capacity developed as far back as the 1700's. The only tragedy is that so many people actually still believe it and have the nerve to teach and repeat it.

    Might want to take a look at the number of people who actually graduate with degrees in this field ---

    https://www.aip.org/sites/default/files/statistics/graduate/graddegrees-p-08.pdf


    First it was they didn't. Then ti was they couldn't. Now it has to be they must be legends . . . laughing. Your premise of gone and the data sets previous provided further the point.

    Plenty of legends the question us more than likely legends for whom. I am not in the field, but i suspect that there plenty of legends in physics, but those are bonuses and quite unnecessary to the initial commentary.

    https://www.nist.gov/speech-testimony/african-american-technological-contributions-past-present-and-future

    Have you no understanding of the Gaussian normal distribution, aka the Bell Curve.? Suppose you need an IQ of 125 to be a serious physicist (no more than say 2 per cent of all professors of physics being below that) and the African-American average IQ is 85 v. Whites’ 100 (standard deviation 15 for both) of course you are going to find sufficiently smart black physicists. But show us you understand the implications of the Gaussian Normal Distribution by telling us what proportion of blacks will have reached the aforesaid thtedhold IQ in comparison with whites……

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  100. @Mishra

    Where does he get this stuff? It is a sort of illiteracy of the higly literate. And confirms my views of Alt-Righters.
     
    Now, now. Let's not generalize, shall we? Even about 'immigratnts'. And while we're at it, the website link on your posts currently reads "fredoneverythng.org"...

    Heh! I try to check my links every time I put one in, on my own blog and others, but I’ve done the same. I guess Mr. Reed has truly gone native, and therefore has the attitude: “Check my leeenks? I don’t need to check no steeening leeenks! Manana, Senor!” See, that’s no generalization – I’m being very specific.

    BTW, I never noticed the typo in the link to his own site, but I used to read his site regularly.

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  101. Anon[436] • Disclaimer says:
    @Heros
    I worked with a couple of Nigerians for a while on an IT project (they were the test team). They both said that in Africa, when blacks get on an airplane the first thing they do is check to make sure that the pilot is white.

    And what does it say about you that you apparently didn’t notice that it’s a bit late to check on the pilot after they are on the plane, and that you don’t report following up with “And what do you do when you find that the (sic – singular) pilot isn’t white?”?

    And did it not occur to you that they were exhibiting a robust, or maybe somewhat slyly contemptuous sense of humour at your expense? Mind you they probably would have been right to be serious.

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  102. @SimplePseudonymicHandle

    ...and Hispanics, to date anyway, very little
     
    Got any hard data on that?

    Got any hard data to disprove him?

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    It was an honest question, I'd like to see this. The lack of participation or contribution is frequently alleged here and written of by many as though axiomatic or self evident, but my own experience would give me no reason to think that's the case, plus at least some good reason to suspect some may not be lying with statistics, but might be very confused by them.

    For example: a common technique to foment underrepresentation outrage is "big print: 70/80% of employees are white, small print: well actually its white and Asian, whites by themselves are under-represented but that wouldn't be headline grabbing or outrage fomenting so we lied".

    Well, there's even more to be bothered by there. Hispanic: is white. For reporting Hispanic is an ethnicity not a race so its not obvious to a lot of people but checking the Hispanic box is credited to "white, of Hispanic origin".

    By the time they get to misreporting "80% white", its a pretty sure thing Hispanics are included when they need to be for the shock value, no one checks on this or asks.

    Another thing is: more people are Hispanic than you think. The genius engineer at the desk right there, he might be.

    So I think it's an unexamined presumption and if anyone has hard data I'd like to see it.
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  103. @CCZ
    Hand in hand with "adverse demographic changes and SJWization" is the "decolonization" of Western science and philosophy, most heavily advocated by university faculty and students in Africa and, increasingly, in Europe, Canada, and the United States. Interesting how no "decolonizers" appear to be Chinese, Japanese, or Korean.

    A concise example is the below 4 minute video from the University of Cape Town that promotes the "fall" of Western science.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9SiRNibD14

    What a splendid piece of evidence for colonization by the nutty French postmodernists. Alan Sokal of the famous hoax couldn’t produce better satire.

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  104. @Simon Tugmutton
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VaP1HB7Vew

    I posted this limerick on Takimag around the time of the Ted Cruz booger-eating incident:

    Dried morsels of snot are delectable.
    Should eating them mean “unelectable”?
    Go on, pick a winner
    And have it for dinner.
    Let’s make booger-eating respectable!

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  105. “STEM fields (science, technology, engineering, and mathematics)”

    I like your writing Fred so please don’t do this, especially in an essay complaining about the decline of our sciences caused by diversity mandates. You could have simply written “science and technology”.

    STEM is a diversity racket word which really means “selling science crap to parents of girls” but is always written as “STEM (an acronym meaning science, technology, engineering, and mathematics)”.

    It’s retarded.

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  106. @nebulafox
    Muslims in the ghettos of Europe are generally far more dysfunctional than Muslims in the at least reasonably developed sections of Muslim World. I suspect that there's a similar dynamic going on here between Mexican Mexicans, who live in a reasonably developed if messy country, and the less well-performing migrants, who tend to be heavily working class, much like their Muslim counterparts in Europe. Ghettoized, heavily working or underclass minorities are, with few exceptions, a headache for a more affluent, educated host nation, no matter what their skin color or creed is.

    Note that El Salvador, Guatemala, Puerto Rico, etc, are way, way poorer and more dysfunctional than Mexico, and Hispanic immigration has also been heavy from those areas-which unlike Mexico, have far less direct history and interaction with the US, leading to less assimilation. Note also that such nations tend to be far more split between the indigenous many and creole white oligarchs, whereas Mexico has far more of a broad spectrum caused by large scale European (and more recently, Korean and Lebanese) immigration.

    I've been to Mexico, although I've never lived there, unlike Fred Reed, so take my words with a grain of salt. My honest impression, from my admittedly limited experience, is that I'd put Mexico around Thailand's level, development wise. A little below the likes of Malaysia or Spain or the Southern Cone, more further below the likes of Taiwan or Finland or the ROK, but decidedly above lower-middle class nations (Indonesia, Vietnam, Colombia), let alone genuinely poor ones (the Philippines, the subcontinent, Central America and the Caribbean). It's pretty solidly middle of the pack, globally speaking, perhaps at the lower-rungs of the upper-middle class. I mean, life expectancy in Mexico has shot up over the past several decades. Mexico's birth-rates have plummeted. Starvation was a big part of life for your average Mexican peasant as recently as 50 years ago: that's not the case anymore. No more stupid diseases, a general base line of public health, etc. There's a mass, solid middle class in Mexico, very much unlike in, say, Guatemala. Freedom of the press is generally respected unless they go after the wrong people too hard, etc. Mexico's developing IT and tech sectors, in particular, are booming and are starting to attract foreign (including American) talent. And there's no reason to think, barring a catastrophe, this won't continue until Mexico becomes a top 10 economy in the coming decades.

    The people are Catholic, speak a European language, are partially (or for upper-bourgeois and higher Mexicans, fully so) European, and given a reasonable base line of education and skills, can assimilate quite well into American culture. There are a host of leftists with a stake in making this not happen and turning them into another ghettoized minority, we really don't need to be joining them. Rovian fantasies about combining Chamber of Commerce fantasies with amnesty are ludicrous, of course, not least because, again, the migrants tend to be heavily working class. But a more socioeconomically sane Republican Party ("how can we make the market work for average Americans and set up a real meritocracy with yeoman independence rather than the neo-feudal phony meritocracy of the Democrats?") could exploit the fault lines in the Democratic coalition that are inevitably starting to form, and with an eye toward an assimilation, upworldy mobile future in which the Democrats remain the party of the resentful fringes.

    Now, none of this is to say everything is hunky-dory in Mexico. Entrenched corruption is omnipresent, and a large part of why the PRI looks to be in trouble this election season. The police are not much better than the criminals in Mexico. The political elite are largely untouched by law, much like in Thailand: they can get away with nonsense (like assassinating populists they don't like) that makes the American bipartisan political elite quite jealous (hence their enthusiasm to merge us further with Mexico). The line between government official and criminal underground is sometimes quite blurry. Neo-feudal income stratification and lack of mobility, despite recent advances, is still a major issue, and part of the reason the Mexican government is obsessed with keeping illegal immigrants going to the US (quite hypocritically, given their own treatment of illegal immigrants) is fear of what would happen if the underclass grows too big and the Mexican economy explodes. Much like Argentina, it can be fragile.

    (Mexican culture is also openly "Euro-normative", or whatever the SJWs call it these days, to a degree that many liberals seem to have a hard time fathoming. Naturally, this is because treat brown-skinned people as abstractions meant to show off their own progressiveness rather than... actual human beings, capable of all the hypocrisies, nastiness, and fragilities of the breed. To say that Mexicans can have less than PC views about blacks and Central Americans is an understatement.)

    That said, the alt-right's view of Mexico as this third world hellhole is ludicrous. There are real third world hellholes right to the south and east of Mexico, if you want a good comparison. The only thing that makes Mexico stand out from the likes of Thailand and Malaysia are the absurd crime rates (caused in part by the War on Drugs), but generally speaking, the narcos are far more interested in making their own people miserable than foreigners. The only exception to this are potential foreign millionaire hostages, but hey, they have the money to hire security, and judging from their own plans to make the USA more like Mexico, they'd better get used to doing that. Maybe they could talk to Carlos Slim.

    Great comment and supplement to Mr. Reed’s highly-biased take on the matter, Mr. Fox.

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  107. hunor says:
    @Simon Tugmutton
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VaP1HB7Vew

    not nearly as vehemently as your sophisticated sister , and at least hi is trying to hide it.

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  108. JimB says:

    First of all, who cares about fields like astrophysics or high energy physics? Neither effects the economy, and publication tends to
    amount to a participation award with lots of coauthors. The instrumental engineering for those fields requires smart white male engineers, but nobody is fighting them for their underpaid 60 hr/wk jobs. Women and minorities can run canned analysis software on aggregate data and write statistical papers about data trends. Then they can be elevated to the level of professor and sit around on committees jawboning about diversity and travel around to international conferences and play the role of siteseeing “scientist” on busman’s holiday. Engineering and material science are the only disciplines that matter these days. Bioengineering, as well.

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  109. @Anonymous
    The chinese are flocking to western universities not because your institutions are better, but because they are second-rate students who couldnt hack it in the motherland, whose universities - due to the socialist system - does NOT have the financial incentive to take in any and every student that enrols.

    Let’s not forget these second-rate Chinese students can still run circles academically around any American. Even the dregs of China have sharper minds than the fading westerners.

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    Nah, bullcrap. As Anonymous said, lots of Chinese come to study here because they couldn't get into a good college in China. That's because they aren't very smart, though possibly still more hardworking than American students. Possibly not, and they copy and cheat like MF'ers.

    It's only been since the last 15 years or so that China has not been sending their best and brightest. The universities don't care - they want the full tuition money, and some cheap labor for the research work, if it's graduate school. In the latter case, the student may get a green card out of it, allowing for easy funneling of ill-gotten funds by the Dad across the pond.
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  110. Dr. X says:
    @RealAmerican
    How can any American kid, white, black, or Hispanic compete with a Chinese student when there are Friday night football games, and Saturday night bar scenes to attend. Would you, Fred, could you spend your whole weekend studying mathematics and chemistry at the expense of beautiful, provocative, sultry, flirtatious, tempting and irresistible young American women. If you were a youngster in today's America?

    How can any American kid, white, black, or Hispanic compete with a Chinese student when there are Friday night football games, and Saturday night bar scenes to attend.

    I have a vivid memory from grad school 25 years ago. I was leaving the library at 11:00 Friday night as the place was closing down. It was practically a ghost town at that hour… as I walked out of the near-deserted library I passed a Chinese kid, alone at a row of empty tables with an open textbook in front of him — with his face planted in it, sound asleep…

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  111. Mj says:
    @RealAmerican
    How can any American kid, white, black, or Hispanic compete with a Chinese student when there are Friday night football games, and Saturday night bar scenes to attend. Would you, Fred, could you spend your whole weekend studying mathematics and chemistry at the expense of beautiful, provocative, sultry, flirtatious, tempting and irresistible young American women. If you were a youngster in today's America?

    If you want to see women with the qualities you cite then visit Seoul, visit Moscow, visit Riga.

    Who are these American grrrls you describe? Amerigirrrls are irresistible? Good grief. By irresistible do you mean cartoonish levels of narcissism coupled with gag-inducing BMIs?

    Kudos to the Chinese boy who studies on Saturday night. He’s not missing out on a damn thing. If American white kids want to party their youth away then do so, by all means. But, when the excitements of youth fade, and those white kids grow up to become overweight forty-somethings with BA in Psychology pulling in a whopping 32K per year I hope they blame themselves and not the tide from the east.

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    Kudos to the Chinese boy who studies on Saturday night. He’s not missing out on a damn thing. If American white kids want to party their youth away then do so, by all means. But, when the excitements of youth fade, and those white kids grow up to become overweight forty-somethings with BA in Psychology pulling in a whopping 32K per year I hope they blame themselves and not the tide from the east.
     
    If the East and Easterners are so great, why do they keep flooding to the west?
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  112. @nebulafox
    Muslims in the ghettos of Europe are generally far more dysfunctional than Muslims in the at least reasonably developed sections of Muslim World. I suspect that there's a similar dynamic going on here between Mexican Mexicans, who live in a reasonably developed if messy country, and the less well-performing migrants, who tend to be heavily working class, much like their Muslim counterparts in Europe. Ghettoized, heavily working or underclass minorities are, with few exceptions, a headache for a more affluent, educated host nation, no matter what their skin color or creed is.

    Note that El Salvador, Guatemala, Puerto Rico, etc, are way, way poorer and more dysfunctional than Mexico, and Hispanic immigration has also been heavy from those areas-which unlike Mexico, have far less direct history and interaction with the US, leading to less assimilation. Note also that such nations tend to be far more split between the indigenous many and creole white oligarchs, whereas Mexico has far more of a broad spectrum caused by large scale European (and more recently, Korean and Lebanese) immigration.

    I've been to Mexico, although I've never lived there, unlike Fred Reed, so take my words with a grain of salt. My honest impression, from my admittedly limited experience, is that I'd put Mexico around Thailand's level, development wise. A little below the likes of Malaysia or Spain or the Southern Cone, more further below the likes of Taiwan or Finland or the ROK, but decidedly above lower-middle class nations (Indonesia, Vietnam, Colombia), let alone genuinely poor ones (the Philippines, the subcontinent, Central America and the Caribbean). It's pretty solidly middle of the pack, globally speaking, perhaps at the lower-rungs of the upper-middle class. I mean, life expectancy in Mexico has shot up over the past several decades. Mexico's birth-rates have plummeted. Starvation was a big part of life for your average Mexican peasant as recently as 50 years ago: that's not the case anymore. No more stupid diseases, a general base line of public health, etc. There's a mass, solid middle class in Mexico, very much unlike in, say, Guatemala. Freedom of the press is generally respected unless they go after the wrong people too hard, etc. Mexico's developing IT and tech sectors, in particular, are booming and are starting to attract foreign (including American) talent. And there's no reason to think, barring a catastrophe, this won't continue until Mexico becomes a top 10 economy in the coming decades.

    The people are Catholic, speak a European language, are partially (or for upper-bourgeois and higher Mexicans, fully so) European, and given a reasonable base line of education and skills, can assimilate quite well into American culture. There are a host of leftists with a stake in making this not happen and turning them into another ghettoized minority, we really don't need to be joining them. Rovian fantasies about combining Chamber of Commerce fantasies with amnesty are ludicrous, of course, not least because, again, the migrants tend to be heavily working class. But a more socioeconomically sane Republican Party ("how can we make the market work for average Americans and set up a real meritocracy with yeoman independence rather than the neo-feudal phony meritocracy of the Democrats?") could exploit the fault lines in the Democratic coalition that are inevitably starting to form, and with an eye toward an assimilation, upworldy mobile future in which the Democrats remain the party of the resentful fringes.

    Now, none of this is to say everything is hunky-dory in Mexico. Entrenched corruption is omnipresent, and a large part of why the PRI looks to be in trouble this election season. The police are not much better than the criminals in Mexico. The political elite are largely untouched by law, much like in Thailand: they can get away with nonsense (like assassinating populists they don't like) that makes the American bipartisan political elite quite jealous (hence their enthusiasm to merge us further with Mexico). The line between government official and criminal underground is sometimes quite blurry. Neo-feudal income stratification and lack of mobility, despite recent advances, is still a major issue, and part of the reason the Mexican government is obsessed with keeping illegal immigrants going to the US (quite hypocritically, given their own treatment of illegal immigrants) is fear of what would happen if the underclass grows too big and the Mexican economy explodes. Much like Argentina, it can be fragile.

    (Mexican culture is also openly "Euro-normative", or whatever the SJWs call it these days, to a degree that many liberals seem to have a hard time fathoming. Naturally, this is because treat brown-skinned people as abstractions meant to show off their own progressiveness rather than... actual human beings, capable of all the hypocrisies, nastiness, and fragilities of the breed. To say that Mexicans can have less than PC views about blacks and Central Americans is an understatement.)

    That said, the alt-right's view of Mexico as this third world hellhole is ludicrous. There are real third world hellholes right to the south and east of Mexico, if you want a good comparison. The only thing that makes Mexico stand out from the likes of Thailand and Malaysia are the absurd crime rates (caused in part by the War on Drugs), but generally speaking, the narcos are far more interested in making their own people miserable than foreigners. The only exception to this are potential foreign millionaire hostages, but hey, they have the money to hire security, and judging from their own plans to make the USA more like Mexico, they'd better get used to doing that. Maybe they could talk to Carlos Slim.

    given a reasonable base line of education and skills, can assimilate quite well into American culture

    But they don’t, generally. Reason: your qualifier. “Given a reasonable base line.” Coming to the USA with a 6th grade education is not a good plan. It doesn’t work out for most people.

    the alt-right’s view of Mexico as this third world hellhole is ludicrous

    Why should anyone care what the alt-right thinks of Mexico? I know Reed loves to go on and on about this topic, but he just sounds like a hysterical snowflake. I have opinions about the shittiness of Britain, and I would guess no one in Britain cares what I think. The point isn’t what Mexico is or isn’t, it’s what Mexico brings to the USA. What it brings is ghettos, poverty, failing schools, drug dealing, cheap labor for the 1%, and a few decent restaurants.

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  113. Crimson2 says:

    Ah, the dumb IQ argument with zero understanding.

    The IQ panic against minorities makes no sense when you understand that our minority population has a higher IQ than the US did during the 1940s. Immigrants arriving today are much smarter than your ancestors when they arrived. The US population had an average IQ of 70 (!) In 1900. We are fine.

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    Immigrants arriving today are much smarter than your ancestors when they arrived. The US population had an average IQ of 70 (!) In 1900.
     
    I can imagine that YOUR immigrant ancestors had an average IQ of 70, between the two of them, but that doesn't apply for anyone else's. It frickin' hilarious, in fact, that you believe this.

    Have you ever seen an end-of-year American little-red-schoolhouse 8th-grade test from 100 years back, Crimson? You couldn't ... OK that doesn't work ... I'd even have to cram at the library for it. Stupidity has increased greatly over the last 100 years, and has accelerated - the last 20 years have seen a stupidity increase heretofore not seen by man!

    It's not gonna be fine. Try to find the Mike Judge movie Idiocracy - you'll enjoy it, even if you don't get that the story in it is supposed to take place 500 years from now, but it's been only 12 since it was made, and it has damn near become reality. PEAK STUPIDITY IS NIGH!
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  114. megabar says:
    @j
    I understand Fred's facts and arguments, but I do not share his conclusions or recommendations. The dilution the science content of science classes and the consequent granting of fake science diplomas is (1) unavoidable and (2) does not harm real science. (1) it is a necessary price to relax social stress and promote social peace. No country can allow having a large segment of its population excluded from elite positions, and there must an open way to honorably co-opt some of them. (2) The dumb scientist do little actual harm, because they are dumb per definition, and they are politely distanced from positions where they could do actual harm, of which there are few to none in research fields. Personally, I have experienced this things twice in my life. Once in Communist Hungary, when the teacher introduced to our elite class a group of blond children and made them sit in the front benches. We were told to be friendly and help these newcomers, because they were from proletarian politically correct families (we were not). They did not reduce the individual IQ of any of the class, and averages mean nothing. Mr Reed, be a generous Southern gentleman, not a bitter curmudgeon.

    > The dilution the science content of science classes and the consequent granting of fake science diplomas is (1) unavoidable and (2) does not harm real science.

    There is a degree of truth to this in the short term, but ultimately it is this type of thinking that ends up causing problems. When we fail to account for subtle long-term effects, we introduce harmful, hard-to-reverse problems.

    If you accept X% of minorities in academics to keep up appearances, do you not also have to publish X% of their work? Otherwise, someone will notice, and then reapplying the exact same logic (i.e. we have to keep up appearances) will force us to publish. If we publish them in an inferior journal, someone will notice, and so prestigious journals will have to publish bad articles to keep up appearances. And so on.

    If you don’t believe this, then consider the outcry that there aren’t enough female partners in law firms.

    Taken to its logical conclusion, less-talented-but-protected members of all desirable professions will need to be taken as seriously as the rest of the group. Academics is particularly insidious in this regard, in that they publish the research and teach the lectures for our most intelligent society members, and so there is a positive feedback loop to progressive thought.

    I currently believe that the modern Western University system, with all of its great benefits, has contributed great social harms to us.

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  115. Roberto says:

    It’s time for all those men in China, who can’t find a wife, to start having sex with the women of South America.

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    They're fine with Africa: http://www.chinawhisper.com/chinese-in-africa-chinese-men-marry-african-wife/
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  116. megabar says:
    @cylindrical crown
    Why don't we have affirmative action for airline pilots? These pilots could initially be used to ferry government officials flying in private planes (do you hear me, Nancy?). If that worked out well, they could be added as pilots for Hollywood actors, particularly those that take private jets to global warming and anti-second amendment conventions. The possibilities are unlimited, particularly with the expected high turn-over of pilots.

    This would backfire. There are indeed well-qualified minority pilots. Of these, Mrs. Pelosi would get the best, and prove the program a success. Just as other elite whites work well with the most talented of minorities, and then claim that it’s the middle-class and poor whites who are racist who can’t work with minorities.

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  117. Anon7 says:

    When my daughter was in the seventh grade, she came to me for help with her math homework. The chapter had to do with problems like 2/5 = 4/x, solve for x. Not wanting to disrupt modern math education, I looked in the book. Incomprehensible. A lot of verbiage about the method of correspondences and the rule of ratios.

    So, I arranged for a parent – teacher meeting, and I wrote the above problem on the board, and invited the teacher, a 40 year-old white woman, to solve it. She mumbled a few sentences about methods and rules. I handed her the marker pen, and motioned her to the board. She refused. She couldn’t solve for x, where 2/5=4/x.

    So, my wife and I spent about $1,500 for math tutoring for my daughter that year. I found out years later that, since it’s impossible to fire an incompetent teacher, she was promoted to a $90,000 per year administrative role in planning.

    My son had even more horrific experiences later on, but that was my introduction to modern mathematics education.

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    I was a math teacher for five years. I had only taken one college-level class in mathematics, and no classes at all in education, but there was a shortage of math teachers, so there I was. This wasn't unusual; at the high school I taught at, only one of the younger math teachers had actually majored in math.

    Nevertheless I did very well; high school level algebra isn't exactly rocket science, as they say, and I was dedicated and all that.

    However, some of the other young teachers...there was one in particular who had majored in Hispanic studies. He actually approached me and asked how to solve for r if a/b = c/r or something -- some very basic equation, and the textbook would have clearly explained it had he been at all uncertain.

    We had a department-wide standardized, multiple choice final in algebra. His classes literally scored at the level that would be obtained if the students picked their answers at random.
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  118. @cylindrical crown
    Why don't we have affirmative action for airline pilots? These pilots could initially be used to ferry government officials flying in private planes (do you hear me, Nancy?). If that worked out well, they could be added as pilots for Hollywood actors, particularly those that take private jets to global warming and anti-second amendment conventions. The possibilities are unlimited, particularly with the expected high turn-over of pilots.

    ‘Why don’t we have affirmative action for airline pilots? ‘

    You’ve reminded me about the quip I read about why no one has demanded female football players — even though we’ve insisted on having female infantrypersons.

    It’s because we care about the outcome of football games.

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  119. JMcG says:
    @Abelard Lindsey
    Perhaps there is a market for STEM universities outside the U.S. that will admit exclusively on merit and no other criteria. Assuming that China does not collapse from within (they have a seriously over-leveraged banking system), is it not possible that American students might try to get into Chinese and other Asian universities around 2035 because the diversicrats have utterly destroyed ours?

    Do you seriously expect China to take space away from Chinese students and give them to Americans? They would never stoop to our level of madness, especially as the object lesson we are currently giving plays out.

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    What about the language issue? Most students and migrants from China speak English that is difficult to understand and they have been taking it probably since pre elementary school? Usually they read it well and maybe write better than they speak it. Math seems to be no problem.
    OTOH when do US students start Chinese if they are not second generation? Maybe Middle School? HIGH School or college with limited instruction time? They will never even try it. Just hang in there and get a US Stem degree from a dumbed down program. The paper is all that matters. BTW is there any research showing how many third generation Chinese in US maintain language proficiency?
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  120. @EliteCommInc.
    I think your observations are great.

    But you are dancing in another universe.

    Here's the premise: blacks have contributed nothing to society.

    So I just took the introduction of the 0 as introduced by hindis (black) and nonwesterners, and other browns (nonwesterners) -- noted that singular contribution -- demonstrating the premise false and you have built on the same by extolling the contributions of others who benefited from the addition of zero.

    now I am sure Mr reed doesn't believe that the contribution modes he advanced, but is frustrated by the very tough issues facing whites and a pressed rhetoric about white superiority.

    And of course will advance anything that extols his hispanic favoritism over his former black citizens. i would talk about the inoculations and a host of benefits, heart shunts and stints, transfusions, etc.

    But I think the point is made.

    George Washington Carver seemed to easy

    language


    oy veh.

    ‘…So I just took the introduction of the 0 as introduced by hindis (black)…’

    How did ‘hindis’ get to be black as in subsaharan African? Some may have a great deal of melanin in their skin but the resemblance to Africans ends right there.

    We’re talking about mental acuity — not susceptibility to sun burn. That black Africans are markedly less intelligent than other groups is one of those facts so clearly true that I can’t be bothered to marshall arguments in its support. You might as well demand I show that the earth is indeed a sphere, or that it orbits about the sun rather than the reverse.

    I get tired of this. Want to debate the rights and wrongs of ‘the clash of civilizations’? By all means. Care to debate abortion? I’m up for it. But please: no desperate attempts to deny the certain. As a group, sub-saharan Africans are less intelligent than others — whatever you can or cannot demonstrate about ‘hindis.’

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    I get tired of this. Want to debate the rights and wrongs of ‘the clash of civilizations’? By all means. Care to debate abortion? I’m up for it. But please: no desperate attempts to deny the certain. As a group, sub-saharan Africans are less intelligent than others — whatever you can or cannot demonstrate about ‘hindis.’
     
    Indeed, if we just “discovered” the Bantu, Pygmy, or Khoisan today, we would regard them as we do the Andaman or Sentinal islanders or uncontacted amazonians. We would observe from a distance and fret about how contact would spoil or destroy their pre-historic culture and language. They are, like the Australian aborigines, a distinct sub-species (think Neanderthal or Denisovan). And just like our own hybridization with Neanderthals (for us crackers) or Asian hybridization with Denisovans, we are now producing new hybrids (Bantu/Pygmy, Bantu/Khoisan, Bantu/white, etc).

    I was just reading some of the book Unz just put on his .com site and it’s remarkable how clearly Dr Pierce saw this in the late 60’s. We have hunter/gatherers from the Paleolithic co-existing (and now hybridizing) with space age Homo sapiens sapiens.

    Our communist left thinks we can just pretend this problem away. That we are all exactly alike and the problem is with whites who just hate melanin (yet sit in the sun inviting cancer to gain more for themselves). Our religious right thinks we are all YHWH’s children and are all exactly alike. They think the problem is one of proselytizing..

    Nature, on the other hand, is simply hedging. In another 100,000 years we should know which evolutionary strategy was superior (ie survived). Maybe then we could talk of “white supremacy” if in fact our tribe does survive, but right now we ought be far more worried about the next test Nature decides to throw at us whether yet another ice age, super-volcano, cosmic impact, extreme solar event, virus, bacterium, etc. Civilization could vanish tomorrow and the Bantu could well prove “superior” by virtue of survival due to his unique genetic traits. We just don’t know and none of us alive likely ever will know. HBD is nothing more nor less than our species hedging against extinction and rather than trying to ignore or pretend it away, we ought to embrace it and focus on our own sub-species and our own survival.
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  121. JMcG says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    Since your premise on what i said is incorrect, i will justr say --


    I am not using a blank slate. There would be no way to redress via tabula rosa given the system was already bent -- no redress works on tabula rossa


    Redress by definition, grants the system is in need of repair a concept that contradicts a tabula rossa modality.

    The expression is “tabula rasa.”

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  122. @Anon7
    When my daughter was in the seventh grade, she came to me for help with her math homework. The chapter had to do with problems like 2/5 = 4/x, solve for x. Not wanting to disrupt modern math education, I looked in the book. Incomprehensible. A lot of verbiage about the method of correspondences and the rule of ratios.

    So, I arranged for a parent - teacher meeting, and I wrote the above problem on the board, and invited the teacher, a 40 year-old white woman, to solve it. She mumbled a few sentences about methods and rules. I handed her the marker pen, and motioned her to the board. She refused. She couldn’t solve for x, where 2/5=4/x.

    So, my wife and I spent about $1,500 for math tutoring for my daughter that year. I found out years later that, since it’s impossible to fire an incompetent teacher, she was promoted to a $90,000 per year administrative role in planning.

    My son had even more horrific experiences later on, but that was my introduction to modern mathematics education.

    I was a math teacher for five years. I had only taken one college-level class in mathematics, and no classes at all in education, but there was a shortage of math teachers, so there I was. This wasn’t unusual; at the high school I taught at, only one of the younger math teachers had actually majored in math.

    Nevertheless I did very well; high school level algebra isn’t exactly rocket science, as they say, and I was dedicated and all that.

    However, some of the other young teachers…there was one in particular who had majored in Hispanic studies. He actually approached me and asked how to solve for r if a/b = c/r or something — some very basic equation, and the textbook would have clearly explained it had he been at all uncertain.

    We had a department-wide standardized, multiple choice final in algebra. His classes literally scored at the level that would be obtained if the students picked their answers at random.

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  123. prusmc says: • Website
    @JMcG
    Do you seriously expect China to take space away from Chinese students and give them to Americans? They would never stoop to our level of madness, especially as the object lesson we are currently giving plays out.

    What about the language issue? Most students and migrants from China speak English that is difficult to understand and they have been taking it probably since pre elementary school? Usually they read it well and maybe write better than they speak it. Math seems to be no problem.
    OTOH when do US students start Chinese if they are not second generation? Maybe Middle School? HIGH School or college with limited instruction time? They will never even try it. Just hang in there and get a US Stem degree from a dumbed down program. The paper is all that matters. BTW is there any research showing how many third generation Chinese in US maintain language proficiency?

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  124. @Roberto
    It's time for all those men in China, who can't find a wife, to start having sex with the women of South America.
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    The comments are hilarious.
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  125. anonymous[466] • Disclaimer says:
    @RealAmerican
    How can any American kid, white, black, or Hispanic compete with a Chinese student when there are Friday night football games, and Saturday night bar scenes to attend. Would you, Fred, could you spend your whole weekend studying mathematics and chemistry at the expense of beautiful, provocative, sultry, flirtatious, tempting and irresistible young American women. If you were a youngster in today's America?

    I’m not Fred.

    And, no, I wouldn’t.

    Which is why I’m not a scientist or a tekkie.

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  126. Realist says:
    @Anon
    Realists don't have to be unimaginative plodders who don't recognise the satirical or spoof.

    Realists don’t have to be unimaginative plodders who don’t recognise the satirical or spoof.

    Gee thanks….my comment was meant in jest.

    But you knew that, you’re still pissed off about the verbal ass kicking I gave you awhile back….grow up.

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    You are a pathetic little man who has to resort to misplaced attempts at pedantry for a simulation of wit. Unlike you Fran800 got it right and doesn't have to cover the nakedness of a wannabe intellectual. To confirm the picture of your dwarfish personality I did a search to see if what your last paragraph asserted (already negated by my lack of memory of any reply by you to my comments) was more than pathetic pissing in the wind. Negative. So, if you don't want to crawl under a rock and just forget your latest vain and foolish utterance, see if you can find this great comment of yours of which you boast. I'm waiting, but that's because I'm cruel to the weak: I'm sure there'll only be a yawn directed your way by others.
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  127. Thomm says:
    @Alfa158
    The word “wigger” comes from combining “White” and “nigger”. It refers to White people who admire blacks and wish that they were black people. In what respect are White Nationalists people who admire blacks and wish they were black?
    You should look up the definition of a word before you use it.

    In what respect are White Nationalists people who admire blacks and wish they were black?

    It is you who are unaware of the terminology. The meaning of the word changed around 1994.

    The reason White Trashionalists have more in common with blacks than successful whites can be listed as follows.

    i) The tendency to see race in everything.
    ii) Low IQ, particularly in mathematical concepts. WNs cannot read graphs and charts.
    iii) Left-wing economic views.
    iv) Laziness and low economic productivity.
    v) High tolerance of female obesity.

    For this reason, it is highly correct to use that term to describe WNs.

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    The meaning of the word changed around 1994.
     
    From what to what? Please explain and provide supporting documentation.
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  128. @Colin Wright
    '...So I just took the introduction of the 0 as introduced by hindis (black)...'

    How did 'hindis' get to be black as in subsaharan African? Some may have a great deal of melanin in their skin but the resemblance to Africans ends right there.

    We're talking about mental acuity -- not susceptibility to sun burn. That black Africans are markedly less intelligent than other groups is one of those facts so clearly true that I can't be bothered to marshall arguments in its support. You might as well demand I show that the earth is indeed a sphere, or that it orbits about the sun rather than the reverse.

    I get tired of this. Want to debate the rights and wrongs of 'the clash of civilizations'? By all means. Care to debate abortion? I'm up for it. But please: no desperate attempts to deny the certain. As a group, sub-saharan Africans are less intelligent than others -- whatever you can or cannot demonstrate about 'hindis.'

    I get tired of this. Want to debate the rights and wrongs of ‘the clash of civilizations’? By all means. Care to debate abortion? I’m up for it. But please: no desperate attempts to deny the certain. As a group, sub-saharan Africans are less intelligent than others — whatever you can or cannot demonstrate about ‘hindis.’

    Indeed, if we just “discovered” the Bantu, Pygmy, or Khoisan today, we would regard them as we do the Andaman or Sentinal islanders or uncontacted amazonians. We would observe from a distance and fret about how contact would spoil or destroy their pre-historic culture and language. They are, like the Australian aborigines, a distinct sub-species (think Neanderthal or Denisovan). And just like our own hybridization with Neanderthals (for us crackers) or Asian hybridization with Denisovans, we are now producing new hybrids (Bantu/Pygmy, Bantu/Khoisan, Bantu/white, etc).

    I was just reading some of the book Unz just put on his .com site and it’s remarkable how clearly Dr Pierce saw this in the late 60’s. We have hunter/gatherers from the Paleolithic co-existing (and now hybridizing) with space age Homo sapiens sapiens.

    Our communist left thinks we can just pretend this problem away. That we are all exactly alike and the problem is with whites who just hate melanin (yet sit in the sun inviting cancer to gain more for themselves). Our religious right thinks we are all YHWH’s children and are all exactly alike. They think the problem is one of proselytizing..

    Nature, on the other hand, is simply hedging. In another 100,000 years we should know which evolutionary strategy was superior (ie survived). Maybe then we could talk of “white supremacy” if in fact our tribe does survive, but right now we ought be far more worried about the next test Nature decides to throw at us whether yet another ice age, super-volcano, cosmic impact, extreme solar event, virus, bacterium, etc. Civilization could vanish tomorrow and the Bantu could well prove “superior” by virtue of survival due to his unique genetic traits. We just don’t know and none of us alive likely ever will know. HBD is nothing more nor less than our species hedging against extinction and rather than trying to ignore or pretend it away, we ought to embrace it and focus on our own sub-species and our own survival.

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  129. In the next post Freed will talk about how Hispanics “are” wonderful!!

    Whitey seems emotionally and morally dumb since 98% part of their stories. Rightards believe “it’s just to social justins feel better for themselves”, as if was “just”…

    And the whitey mentality is

    Competition.
    Caus I believe on Jewish god or in superior force or in nonthing so I don’t care about my (supposed) white brothers.

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  130. @Colin Wright
    One of the most pernicious effects of affirmative action is that it effectively reinforces and even justifies the very bias it is intended to offset.

    I saw this happening in my own case when I was selecting a doctor from Kaiser's staff. I am prejudiced against blacks and make no bones about it, but I have no such feelings concerning Hispanics -- at least, Hispanics of the Indian-Spanish persuasion rather than of black-Spanish descent. I mention this only to emphasize what happened anyway.

    As I went scrolling along through the pages of faces, I realized that whatever my feelings, it would be a rather poor idea to select a Hispanic doctor. Why? Because he/she could easily be only marginally qualified or competent but passed along anyway in order to meet affirmative action quotas. I've certainly seen that in other fields.

    So my absence of bias notwithstanding, because of the reality of affirmative action, the rational course of action was to select an Asian or White face. In fact, I eventually plumped for an Asian woman, and perfectly agreeable and competent she turned out to be, too.

    Affirmative action may be intended to counteract the effects of bias. In a certain brute-force way, it may even realize that goal to some extent. However, it simultaneously makes bias rational. The beneficiaries of affirmative action are necessarily more likely to be unqualified or incompetent. One can be completely without prejudice and yet find oneself choosing to discriminate because affirmative action makes it make sense.

    I saw this happening in my own case when I was selecting a doctor from Kaiser’s staff. I am prejudiced against blacks and make no bones about it, but I have no such feelings concerning Hispanics — at least, Hispanics of the Indian-Spanish persuasion rather than of black-Spanish descent. I mention this only to emphasize what happened anyway.

    Great comment. Just to help illustrate the point, look at this:

    http://www.stjoeshealth.org/body.cfm?id=6863&action=list&limit_startswith_specialty1=Cardiology&distance=No%20preference&sortby=name&pageno=5&view=list

    You have to analyze (1) for AA, (2) selectivity of the med school, and (3) residency/career accomplishment to hedge against things like legacy admits (think GWB at Yale) for those who regressed significantly from Dr Genius Daddy to the mean. The massive proliferation of “doctors” from “upstares medicle skule” is terrifying when you consider your LACK of choice in an emergency situation…

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  131. wrd9 says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    ... most of Latin America is perfectly fine to live in,
     
    No, Mr. Karlin, most of Latin America is NOT perfectly fine to live in. It IS for the 1-5% wealthy people, the ones you may know from there. I know quite a few very bright guys FROM Latin America. Did you notice I wrote "FROM" Latin America, for emphasis. Why would 30,000,000 people from Mexicao and C. America alone have come here, if Latin America is a "perfectly fine place to live"?

    Most people are poor and besides some of the bright spots like Uruaguay, parts of Argentina and Chile (that would have previously included Caracas, Venezuala before the Commies), it's just plain 3rd world, meaning not much of a middle class - guys and families that have disposable income to use to improve their communities.

    The economies down there go up and down, Commies and military juntas come and go, and it's because the general personality traits of the average people don't consist of honesty and integrity. Those countries are hardly ever run worth a damn - doesn't that make you wonder why?

    Maybe all you've seen are the best parts of the big cities, Mr. Karlin. What I want to emphasize, regarding the writer Fred Reed is that he is living in Mexico as an expat, not a Mexican, on the US Dollar, not the Mexican peso. That's a nice way to do it until the dollar goes down the toilet (spoiler alert - it will).

    Don't get me wrong - there'd be plenty of things to appreciate down there as an American leaving the current warmongering US Police State behind. It's no picnic down there living as an actual Latin American, either. The grass is always greener, Gringo.

    Well said. As you mentioned, Latin America is functional for the 5%. Here’s a few articles about Argentina, one about its 2001 crisis, one a couple of years old, and one from an Argentinian about daily life during the crisis and afterwards. Is this a country we want to live in or have the US turn into? During the Great Depression, Americans kept it together. If it happens again, the result will be Argentinian in nature. A reflection of the diversity in the US and the ensuing degraded culture. If you import people from corrupt low social capital/low trust countries, you get Argentina or Brazil.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/argentina/1404657/Deadly-crimewave-sweeps-Argentina.html

    http://www.americasquarterly.org/content/maria-eugenia-vidal-and-other-buenos-aires

    http://ferfal.blogspot.com/search/label/Argentine%20Collapse

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  132. so, according to that pic there are only white woman and black woman……..how mother fucking racist is that?

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  133. Okechukwu says:

    White privilege and white supremacy are much more powerful than Affirmative Action in putting stupid, incompetent and unqualified people into position. How does a guy like George W. Bush become president of the most powerful country in the world? How about Trump? How far would a black Trump get? I dare say, a black Trump would be working in a dockyard somewhere. Many of the problems we’ve faced and continue to face are the result of dumb and ignorant whites in positions of power and influence while smarter, more capable and more talented non-whites have systematically been denied access.

    As a matter of observable–if, to many, unwelcome–fact, virtually all of the work in STEM fields (science, technology, engineering, and mathematics) in America is done by whites.

    And virtually all the work in STEM fields in Nigeria is done by blacks. So?

    America’s prosperity and place in the world very much depend on invention and excellence in the STEM fields. Boeing sells airliners, and provides jobs to Americans, only because its airliners are technically equal to those of AirBus. A lowering of technical capacity will have unfortunate consequences for the country

    America will lose its competitive edge unless it takes advantage of the talents of all its people. Smart people understand this. Just as there were black geniuses toiling away on slave plantations, there are today black geniuses without the means or opportunity to express their genius. It’s society’s duty to ameliorate the conditions that produce those conditions. Trying to stratify those conditions with justification rooted in idiotic pseudoscientific tripe may play well in cloistered echo-chambers like this, but normal society isn’t dumb enough to buy it.

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    And virtually all the work in STEM fields in Nigeria is done by blacks. So?
     

    Just as there were black geniuses toiling away on slave plantations, there are today black geniuses without the means or opportunity to express their genius.
     
    So, just how many negro “geniuses” were/are there?

    https://www.vdare.com/posts/eric-s-raymond-asks-how-many-einsteins-per-africa-answer-not-very-many
    , @Colin Wright
    '...White privilege and white supremacy are much more powerful than Affirmative Action in putting stupid, incompetent and unqualified people into position...'

    My experience has definitely been the reverse. It can't be guaranteed, but as a rule, the white or Asian people I encounter are competent at their jobs. The same is true of Hispanics if we're talking about some field unaffected by affirmative action; foreman in a lumber yard, auto repair or carpentry, for example.

    Thanks to affirmative action, blacks are incompetent with astonishing consistency. This isn't to say that they're inherently incompetent; just that they've been usually promoted beyond their level of competence thanks to their skin color. The black who would make a decent bank teller is an incompetent loan officer. The black who could handle being a nurse is an incompetent doctor; while the black who could be a decent custodian is now blowing it as a nurse. The black who could be whatever Apple calls their counter staff in an Apple Store is elevated to store manager -- and promptly makes a hash of every problem that arises. There was even a certain black who always struck me as being about good enough to be a state assemblyman who became President -- and the weakest president we've had since at least Herbert Hoover.

    One learns -- always avoid the black. This isn't a function of racism; I am racist, but I've worked perfectly comfortably with blacks who are in fact competent at their jobs. It's a function of affirmative action; it's like the Peter Principle on drugs. A black will tend to get promoted to a position well beyond his level of competence on the basis of his skin color - and then kept in that position, regardless of his demonstrated ineptitude, because of his skin color.

    , @Harbinger

    "White privilege and white supremacy are much more powerful than Affirmative Action in putting stupid, incompetent and unqualified people into position. How does a guy like George W. Bush become president of the most powerful country in the world? How about Trump?"
     
    I'm frankly amazed that you've posed the above questions.
    You think this is 'white' privilege? Just what, about the elections of Bush & Trump, did they're presidency privilege any white people? Although not from the USA, but the UK, I follow America with interest, because it is a world power, having taken over the reigns from my nations. You are clearly mistaking white privilege with Jewish privilege, which along with black and minority privilege, is the only privilege in the USA.

    "How far would a black Trump get? I dare say, a black Trump would be working in a dockyard somewhere."
     
    What an utterly preposterous statement. Were there any black Trumps, I can guarantee you, they'd be in office faster than you could say "grab her by the pussy". And how on earth would a Black Tump, worth billions EVER be working in a dockyard? A black Trump would, oddly enough, be doing what a white Trump would be doing - making money and brown nosing Zionists.

    "Many of the problems we’ve faced and continue to face are the result of dumb and ignorant whites in positions of power and influence while smarter, more capable and more talented non-whites have systematically been denied access."
     
    Again, you're not very knowledgeable on politics are you? Do you truly think the powers that be want hard working, critically thinking individuals working in politics? Do you really think they want people to question their policies? Why do you think Abraham Lincoln never saw the end of the play he was watching? Why do you think that JFK never finished his car journey? People who aspire in the fields of politics are puppets. They are treason committing, yes men, sycophants in positions of power, only to do the bidding of their bosses, who incidentally ARE NOT the millions of people who vote them into power. Ethnicity has nothing whatsoever to with politics. One's who swears fealty to Chabad Lubavitch and B'nai B'rith does. Don't believe me?

    Link: Cynthia McKinney: US Lawmakers FORCED to Support Israel!

    "And virtually all the work in STEM fields in Nigeria is done by blacks. So?"
     
    So why has affirmative action not been introduced in Nigeria for white people? Why, for example, out of a population of nearly 200 million people are there only some 50,000 whites? This makes up around 0.0001% of the population. Take the USA, where the population of blacks makes up some 13% of the population at around 40 odd million. Why, for example don't we see the immigration of whites into African nations as we do blacks into white? Why don't we see whites in positions of power as we do blacks in the west? Why, is there no 'affirmative action' in Africa?

    You see, it's really quite simple, black nations are being built up while white nations are destroyed. Israel is behind this plan, or should I correctly state Zionism, as Israel is just a puppet of Rothschild. More and more black immigration is pouring into the west, courtesy of 'diversity' which is nothing more than white genocide, with affirmative action being nothing more than black and non white prejudice towards whites.

    Why for example is the sporting world vastly populated by black people who disproportionately represent their racial demographic compared to whites and any other non black ethnicity? Why is there no affirmative action within the sports world for white people?
    This poses an interesting dilemma.
    Why?
    Well if we are to state that blacks are over represented in the sporting world, because they are better, but we don't acknowledge whites are over represented in academia because they are better then we have clear, cut case of double standards here and more importantly, blatant prejudice towards whites. If you, as you are promoting in your argument are stating that whites are in their positions because of white privilege, then you must also acknowledge that blacks are in their postions in the sporting world because of black privilege. Then again, you could simply realize, as most people with the slightest modicum of common sense do, that people are over represented in any given area, due to their ability at being able to do the job. Women for example are not represented in STEM. Why? It's because they'd far rather have a career that fits around their life, instead of men whose life fits around their career. And still, feminists cry patriarchal prejudice over women, because there are not enough women in STEM.

    "America will lose its competitive edge unless it takes advantage of the talents of all its people. Smart people understand this."
     
    No and your statement clearly proves you're not that smart.
    America has lost its competitive edge because Zionists have purposefully destroyed US manufacturing, moving industries to China where their utopian, Asian model of how humanity should be is in full practice. To quote George Carlin - "You know what they want? They want obedient workers, people who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork. And just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shitty jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits....."
    It isn't just in the US, but happening all over Europe. While the west ships off all its industries to the sweat shops of India and China, paying slave labour wages, while selling the products at continually increasing prices in the west, it ships over non skilled immigrants who drive down wages, increase unemployment, bring about civil chaos and allow more and more minority organizations to spring up (created by Jews) to fight for their rights, which incidentally is nothing more than 'screw the blue eyed devils' and destroy their cultures, nations and peoples. We have affirmative action here in the UK too. It's called positive discrimination, an oxymoron, but nobody seems to notice that, as it would be racist to point it out.

    "Just as there were black geniuses toiling away on slave plantations, there are today black geniuses without the means or opportunity to express their genius."
     
    No there were no black geniuses toiling away on slave plantations. You seem to be incredibly good at trying to promote cultural Marxism aren't you? There were workers on the plantations who hadn't been a genius at anything, other than picking cotton and other jobs that they did. Leonardo da Vinci was a genius. Mozart was a genius. William Shakespeare was a genius. Nikolai Tesla was a genius...... And do you know why they were geniuses? Their achievements prove their genius.
    There has been no black geniuses in the history of Africa. PERIOD! And yet this large continent has existed for thousands of years. We are told it is the beginning of all humanity, again, more propaganda, from the Jewish controlled academia and msm.
    The simple fact is this. Those blacks who have achieved have done so in WHITE civilizations. There are no geniuses in the fields of science, technology, engineering, maths, literature, arts, music, philosophy, architecture etc remotely comparable to any of those within the white race. Don't get me wrong, Louis Armstrong, Count Basie, Duke Ellington, Scott Joplin were great artists in music, but nowhere near comparable to the classical musicians of Europe. They have achieved in boxing, athletics, American football, soccer, baseball...etc but then you don't really need much intelligence to achieve at that, merely the ability to practice and get better. To be good at sports you simply need to push your body to its maximum and some and everyone can achieve this, unless born with a disability to restrict this. And I'm sorry to say that blacks ARE born with a disability to succeed in those establishments outside of sports, music and other entertainments. It's called IQ. You either have it or you don't.

    "It’s society’s duty to ameliorate the conditions that produce those conditions."
     
    And why is it not happening within most countries outside of the west? Why is it that if it is, it has taken the leading example of the white nations to achieve this? Why is it that Zimbabwe never implemented this philosophy, or South Africa, today that is?

    Look, Okechukwu, you either face reality or you don't. Black people achieve when they accept white culture and civilization values. When they don't we have Detroit - a once beautiful city when it was 98% white and now 93% or so black it's a desolate wasteland, sinking in crime and corruption, not producing generations to be proud of, but instead thugs, prostitutes, rapists and murderers and ironically had millions thrown at it, by the Democrats and allowed blacks to take complete control of the running of it. And it's failed. And of course, on queue, it's 'whitey's fault' because of slavery.......

    As to the article, affirmative action is blatant prejudice toward white people and nothing more. You will find millions of qualified white people, for STEM and other industries, working in low paid jobs, courtesy of being passed over for the positions they sought, because of 'affirmative action'. Here in the UK, the BBC, now employs minorities, turning down white people for jobs within. It is nothing more than white race, hating, propaganda outlet for the equally white hating politicians in Westminster. The fact that you are incapable of seeing the blatant hatred towards white people being implemented today, show that instead of part of the solution, you are clearly part of the problem.
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  134. Truth says:
    @Bardon Kaldian
    They're fine with Africa: http://www.chinawhisper.com/chinese-in-africa-chinese-men-marry-african-wife/

    The comments are hilarious.

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  135. Beliavsky says:

    “As a matter of observable–if, to many, unwelcome–fact, virtually all of the work in STEM fields (science, technology, engineering, and mathematics) in America is done by whites. Blacks contribute nothing and Hispanics, to date anyway, very little.”

    When Asians are ignored in this manner, the author sounds more like a white bigot than the hard-nosed realist he pretends to be.

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    When Asians are ignored in this manner, the author sounds more like a white bigot than the hard-nosed realist he pretends to be.
     
    This is normally true, yes. Such a statement would indicate that Fred Reed thinks Asians are 'invisible colored'.

    But remember that Fred Reed's sole mission here is to generate confusion. He will happily say the exact opposite next week. This is all by design.

    It is part of Ron Unz's master plan. See my comment #73.

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  136. Thomm says:
    @Beliavsky
    "As a matter of observable–if, to many, unwelcome–fact, virtually all of the work in STEM fields (science, technology, engineering, and mathematics) in America is done by whites. Blacks contribute nothing and Hispanics, to date anyway, very little."

    When Asians are ignored in this manner, the author sounds more like a white bigot than the hard-nosed realist he pretends to be.

    When Asians are ignored in this manner, the author sounds more like a white bigot than the hard-nosed realist he pretends to be.

    This is normally true, yes. Such a statement would indicate that Fred Reed thinks Asians are ‘invisible colored’.

    But remember that Fred Reed’s sole mission here is to generate confusion. He will happily say the exact opposite next week. This is all by design.

    It is part of Ron Unz’s master plan. See my comment #73.

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  137. Okechukwu says:

    Fortunately, the people that matter don’t believe any of the junk we find here on Unz.

    US promotes STEM education in Nigeria, trains 460 students, teachers

    The US government, in collaboration with US-based robotics education, RoboRave International education academy, has begun a robotics training workshop for 460 elementary, secondary, and university students, as well as Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics (STEM) teachers, robotics enthusiasts, and scientists.

    The workshop seeks to boost technology education in Nigeria by engaging the participating students in hands-on robotics activities to stimulate their interest in math and science as well as careers in the STEM fields, says the US Consul General F. John Bray.

    https://www.vanguardngr.com/2017/10/us-promotes-stem-education-nigeria-trains-460-students-teachers/

    Notice that American policymakers are dismissive of the bullshit theory promulgated here that black people are somehow incapable of assimilating STEM.

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  138. @Okechukwu
    White privilege and white supremacy are much more powerful than Affirmative Action in putting stupid, incompetent and unqualified people into position. How does a guy like George W. Bush become president of the most powerful country in the world? How about Trump? How far would a black Trump get? I dare say, a black Trump would be working in a dockyard somewhere. Many of the problems we've faced and continue to face are the result of dumb and ignorant whites in positions of power and influence while smarter, more capable and more talented non-whites have systematically been denied access.

    As a matter of observable–if, to many, unwelcome–fact, virtually all of the work in STEM fields (science, technology, engineering, and mathematics) in America is done by whites.
     
    And virtually all the work in STEM fields in Nigeria is done by blacks. So?

    America’s prosperity and place in the world very much depend on invention and excellence in the STEM fields. Boeing sells airliners, and provides jobs to Americans, only because its airliners are technically equal to those of AirBus. A lowering of technical capacity will have unfortunate consequences for the country
     
    America will lose its competitive edge unless it takes advantage of the talents of all its people. Smart people understand this. Just as there were black geniuses toiling away on slave plantations, there are today black geniuses without the means or opportunity to express their genius. It's society's duty to ameliorate the conditions that produce those conditions. Trying to stratify those conditions with justification rooted in idiotic pseudoscientific tripe may play well in cloistered echo-chambers like this, but normal society isn't dumb enough to buy it.

    And virtually all the work in STEM fields in Nigeria is done by blacks. So?

    Just as there were black geniuses toiling away on slave plantations, there are today black geniuses without the means or opportunity to express their genius.

    So, just how many negro “geniuses” were/are there?

    https://www.vdare.com/posts/eric-s-raymond-asks-how-many-einsteins-per-africa-answer-not-very-many

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    The fact that you would link to a white supremacist site and expect to be taken seriously is stunning evidence of your own mind-numbing stupidity.

    Oh, speaking of Einstein:

    THE SEARCH FOR THE NEXT EINSTEIN IN AFRICA

    AIMS is propelling Africa onto the global scientific stage. While striving to close the continent’s STEM education deficit and build its scientific infrastructure from the bottom up, the institution is also empowering a new generation of Africans to dream big. Turok and others are optimistic these inspired young Africans will make groundbreaking scientific discoveries.

    “I would claim,” Turok said in a 2013 TEDx talk, “that the best possible thing that could happen is that the next great discovery of the human mind on the scale of Einstein’s — a discovery which tells us about the basic nature of reality and changes the future, and creates the future — if that next discovery is made by an African.”

    However intimidating the task of training “Einsteins” might appear, many African leaders believe that Africa has the pipeline to make it happen. The continent has a massive youth demographic that will only get larger. According to UNICEF, 40% of the world's youth will be African by 2050. Turok and AIMS believe that African scientists are uniquely positioned to transform scientific fields, just as a generation of Jewish scientists did when they gained entry into universities across Europe in the 19th Century.

    https://helix.northwestern.edu/article/search-next-einstein-africa

    This is what's happening in the real world as distinct from your delusional and myopic Internet bubbles.
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  139. Okechukwu says:

    More evidence that the real world laughs at the nonsense found on this site:

    Silicon Valley Tech Leaders mentor Nigerian women working in STEM

    http://www.pulse.ng/bi/tech/silicon-valley-leaders-mentor-nigerian-women-working-in-stem-id8147916.html

    Nigeria: U.S. Supports Nigerian Women Advancement in Stem Fields

    http://allafrica.com/stories/201803220046.html

    The Kenyan Scientist Who is Opening Doors For Women in STEM

    https://www.ofafricamag.com/the-kenyan-scientist-who-is-opening-doors-for-women-in-stem/

    Strengthening STEM education in Kenya:

    http://www.ibe.unesco.org/sites/default/files/news/stem_kenya_concept_note_and_agenda.pdf

    Kenya: General Electric Promotes STEM Initiative in Kenya to Attract Girls

    http://allafrica.com/stories/201805140119.html

    Rwanda Ramps Up STEM Education for Girls

    https://www.voanews.com/a/rwanda-leading-way-in-girls-in-stem-field/4148108.html

    Science-Loving Teens From Ghana And D.C. Geek Out Together

    https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/03/23/520864034/science-loving-teens-from-ghana-and-d-c-geek-out-together

    STEM Workshops in Ghana

    http://www.stemchamp.com/ghana.html

    Promoting STEM in Ghana

    https://ghscientific.com/promoting-stem-ghana/

    Increasing female engagement in STEM in Ghana

    https://www.britishcouncil.org/partner/international-development/news-and-events/increasing-female-engagement-stem-ghana

    STEM Uganda

    https://www.stemuganda.org/

    Like Zimbabwe, U.S pushes STEM initiative as tech companies pledge $300m

    https://www.techzim.co.zw/2017/10/like-zimbabwe-u-s-pushes-stem-initiative-tech-companies-pledge-300m/

    Bridging the STEM and ICT gender gap in Tanzania

    http://news.itu.int/bridging-the-stem-and-ict-gender-gap-in-tanzania/

    Etc, etc, etc…

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    You know: I believe that with the right educational models and political stability Africa stands to be quite ascendant and the saddest thing about the belief systems of so many commenters here is that if one doesn't emerge a child prodigy, and if something doesn't just come easy as if winning the genetic lottery, they all collect in a sad echo chamber together to assure one another that that's OK, no reason to work hard cause what-the-point since they-know its all genetic.
    It is sad, it is weakness, and they will pound sand.

    But: that all said, in reference to your citations, I am fully prepared to accept them my own experience bears out their truth, however: American Affirmative Action law is intended to benefit African Americans and right past wrongs they have suffered. To often we are importing non-Americans who by law aren't even supposed to be counted in Affirmative Action, just to game the system so wealthy employers can appear to be doing their part. This hurts all Americans, white and black alike.
    , @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    The exception does not mean the rule. Do you not understand bell curves and Gaussian distribution?
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  140. Plainman says: • Website
    @MarkinLA
    Obviously, you have never worked in engineering or any STEM field for that matter. Asians are over represented as a percentage of the population in the general STEM workforce but not at the higher levels where patents and new technologies come from.


    Are you asserting that Asian are doing only unimportant STEM work? If so, how do you reconcile that with their many Nobel prizes in Physics, Chemistry, and Medicine?
    Your ad hominem suggests that you misread my comment to which you replied. I worked in software engineering for more than 40 years.

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    You should know that MarkinLA has no exposure to the tech industry, and far too low of an IQ to grasp what it is. Any citations you provide about the obvious presence of Asians in STEM will be ignored.

    MarkinLA is no more capable of knowing what is really happening in STEM than a sea cucumber is of understanding oceanic plate tectonics.

    Remember that WN wiggers like him are desperate to take credit for the work of people who have nothing in common with him other than ancestry from Europe. His IQ of 70 disqualifies him from any conceptual awareness of STEM.
    , @MarkinLA
    Every company I have ever worked at had few if any Asians past Staff Engineer - very very few at the "scientist" engineer. If you were a software engineer then you probably never looked at any code written by Asians. Most Asian programmers that I worked with produced spaghetti code without any previous design.

    As for Nobel Prizes, you seem to be confused. Asians are underrepresented. You might be thinking of Jews.
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  141. I think Fred is correct in much of this essay. I’ve bashed him in the past but give credit when credit is due. I have a question for the enlightened on this forum who are world travelers and have lived in various countries because I have not.

    The PhD in America is different and supposedly follows perhaps the “German Method.” In America you take more courses and do what is usually referred as a thesis. In England and other places the Research PhD is nothing but heavy research no course work. I’ve had numerous professors from English Universities such as Cambridge, Imperial etc. kind of politely “smile” at the US requirements compared to their degrees if you know what I mean. I’ve read many of the English research theses in the sciences compared to US ones and there appears to be a big difference in many cases of the “rigor” of the research.

    In fact, years ago universities like Imperial required that you have one of their B.S. honors degrees before you could get into certain programs I believe. I would be interested in what the opinion of the forum is and also do these universities still demand such rigorous research or have they also gone politically correct.

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  142. Thomm says:
    @Plainman
    @MarkinLA
    Are you asserting that Asian are doing only unimportant STEM work? If so, how do you reconcile that with their many Nobel prizes in Physics, Chemistry, and Medicine?
    Your ad hominem suggests that you misread my comment to which you replied. I worked in software engineering for more than 40 years.

    You should know that MarkinLA has no exposure to the tech industry, and far too low of an IQ to grasp what it is. Any citations you provide about the obvious presence of Asians in STEM will be ignored.

    MarkinLA is no more capable of knowing what is really happening in STEM than a sea cucumber is of understanding oceanic plate tectonics.

    Remember that WN wiggers like him are desperate to take credit for the work of people who have nothing in common with him other than ancestry from Europe. His IQ of 70 disqualifies him from any conceptual awareness of STEM.

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    MarkinLA is no more capable of knowing what is really happening in STEM than a sea cucumber is of understanding oceanic plate tectonics.
     
    This is a clever metaphor. There was really no reason for the rest of your comment though.
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  143. Okechukwu says:
    @Stan d Mute

    And virtually all the work in STEM fields in Nigeria is done by blacks. So?
     

    Just as there were black geniuses toiling away on slave plantations, there are today black geniuses without the means or opportunity to express their genius.
     
    So, just how many negro “geniuses” were/are there?

    https://www.vdare.com/posts/eric-s-raymond-asks-how-many-einsteins-per-africa-answer-not-very-many

    The fact that you would link to a white supremacist site and expect to be taken seriously is stunning evidence of your own mind-numbing stupidity.

    Oh, speaking of Einstein:

    THE SEARCH FOR THE NEXT EINSTEIN IN AFRICA

    AIMS is propelling Africa onto the global scientific stage. While striving to close the continent’s STEM education deficit and build its scientific infrastructure from the bottom up, the institution is also empowering a new generation of Africans to dream big. Turok and others are optimistic these inspired young Africans will make groundbreaking scientific discoveries.

    “I would claim,” Turok said in a 2013 TEDx talk, “that the best possible thing that could happen is that the next great discovery of the human mind on the scale of Einstein’s — a discovery which tells us about the basic nature of reality and changes the future, and creates the future — if that next discovery is made by an African.”

    However intimidating the task of training “Einsteins” might appear, many African leaders believe that Africa has the pipeline to make it happen. The continent has a massive youth demographic that will only get larger. According to UNICEF, 40% of the world’s youth will be African by 2050. Turok and AIMS believe that African scientists are uniquely positioned to transform scientific fields, just as a generation of Jewish scientists did when they gained entry into universities across Europe in the 19th Century.

    https://helix.northwestern.edu/article/search-next-einstein-africa

    This is what’s happening in the real world as distinct from your delusional and myopic Internet bubbles.

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    The reason there are so many African children is that Africa never develops so the birthrate stays high. As you have shown, there are ongoing attempts to help Africa but overall it is still a mess. The average per capita GDP of the continent is <$2,000.
    , @bj
    Here is video of the West African Einsteins.......

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRuSS0iiFyo
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  144. @Chris Mallory
    Got any hard data to disprove him?

    It was an honest question, I’d like to see this. The lack of participation or contribution is frequently alleged here and written of by many as though axiomatic or self evident, but my own experience would give me no reason to think that’s the case, plus at least some good reason to suspect some may not be lying with statistics, but might be very confused by them.

    For example: a common technique to foment underrepresentation outrage is “big print: 70/80% of employees are white, small print: well actually its white and Asian, whites by themselves are under-represented but that wouldn’t be headline grabbing or outrage fomenting so we lied”.

    Well, there’s even more to be bothered by there. Hispanic: is white. For reporting Hispanic is an ethnicity not a race so its not obvious to a lot of people but checking the Hispanic box is credited to “white, of Hispanic origin”.

    By the time they get to misreporting “80% white”, its a pretty sure thing Hispanics are included when they need to be for the shock value, no one checks on this or asks.

    Another thing is: more people are Hispanic than you think. The genius engineer at the desk right there, he might be.

    So I think it’s an unexamined presumption and if anyone has hard data I’d like to see it.

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  145. @Okechukwu
    More evidence that the real world laughs at the nonsense found on this site:

    Silicon Valley Tech Leaders mentor Nigerian women working in STEM

    http://www.pulse.ng/bi/tech/silicon-valley-leaders-mentor-nigerian-women-working-in-stem-id8147916.html

    Nigeria: U.S. Supports Nigerian Women Advancement in Stem Fields

    http://allafrica.com/stories/201803220046.html

    The Kenyan Scientist Who is Opening Doors For Women in STEM

    https://www.ofafricamag.com/the-kenyan-scientist-who-is-opening-doors-for-women-in-stem/

    Strengthening STEM education in Kenya:

    http://www.ibe.unesco.org/sites/default/files/news/stem_kenya_concept_note_and_agenda.pdf

    Kenya: General Electric Promotes STEM Initiative in Kenya to Attract Girls

    http://allafrica.com/stories/201805140119.html

    Rwanda Ramps Up STEM Education for Girls

    https://www.voanews.com/a/rwanda-leading-way-in-girls-in-stem-field/4148108.html

    Science-Loving Teens From Ghana And D.C. Geek Out Together

    https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/03/23/520864034/science-loving-teens-from-ghana-and-d-c-geek-out-together

    STEM Workshops in Ghana

    http://www.stemchamp.com/ghana.html

    Promoting STEM in Ghana

    https://ghscientific.com/promoting-stem-ghana/

    Increasing female engagement in STEM in Ghana

    https://www.britishcouncil.org/partner/international-development/news-and-events/increasing-female-engagement-stem-ghana

    STEM Uganda

    https://www.stemuganda.org/

    Like Zimbabwe, U.S pushes STEM initiative as tech companies pledge $300m

    https://www.techzim.co.zw/2017/10/like-zimbabwe-u-s-pushes-stem-initiative-tech-companies-pledge-300m/

    Bridging the STEM and ICT gender gap in Tanzania

    http://news.itu.int/bridging-the-stem-and-ict-gender-gap-in-tanzania/

    Etc, etc, etc...

    You know: I believe that with the right educational models and political stability Africa stands to be quite ascendant and the saddest thing about the belief systems of so many commenters here is that if one doesn’t emerge a child prodigy, and if something doesn’t just come easy as if winning the genetic lottery, they all collect in a sad echo chamber together to assure one another that that’s OK, no reason to work hard cause what-the-point since they-know its all genetic.
    It is sad, it is weakness, and they will pound sand.

    But: that all said, in reference to your citations, I am fully prepared to accept them my own experience bears out their truth, however: American Affirmative Action law is intended to benefit African Americans and right past wrongs they have suffered. To often we are importing non-Americans who by law aren’t even supposed to be counted in Affirmative Action, just to game the system so wealthy employers can appear to be doing their part. This hurts all Americans, white and black alike.

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    however: American Affirmative Action law is intended to benefit African Americans and right past wrongs they have suffered. To often we are importing non-Americans who by law aren’t even supposed to be counted in Affirmative Action, just to game the system so wealthy employers blah...blah...blah...blah....

     

    Thats what it is: we just haven't gotten it right the last 70 years: if only we focused exclusively on african americans: instead of homo americans: pussy hat americans: pajeet americans: ad nauseum...
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  146. Although I disagree with Fred on some points, I must say I also find this frequent obsession with (collective) IQ weird. Evidently, a functioning modern civilization or human collective has not much to do with bare IQ. Well known examples:

    Mongolia- IQ 101

    Lithuania- IQ 91

    And Mongolia is, compared to Lithuania, a dump.

    American blacks or African Americans- IQ 85

    India- IQ 82

    While there are numerous Indian top physicists, mathematicians, engineers, excellent schools, … no such thing among blacks.

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    > While there are numerous Indian top physicists, mathematicians, engineers, excellent schools, … no such thing among blacks.

    One theory to explain this is that India is not a homogeneous "race." Instead, the castes are quite separate, and do not generally interbreed. Some of the castes are probably quite bright; it is from these folks that the professionals you refer to come from.

    It sounds plausible to me, but I don't claim to be an authority.
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  147. Rdm says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    It's worth noting that Japan seems to have topped out at no more than 20% of US elite level scientific output; South Korea, at well less than 10%.

    Consequently, Chinese scientific output may top out at no more than double that of the US, despite having more than quadruple the population.

    Of course this doesn't apply so much if the US continues to decline, due to adverse demographic changes and SJWization.

    C’mon.

    At the very top of the United States of America, you don’t see Wakanda by any chance, Anatoly?

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  148. Vinnie says:

    “part-time sociopath”?? OK, I’m willing to accept this as a going in proposition, but how do I know you’re not a FULL-TIME sociopath. Not that I have a lot against sociopaths here in the ultra-modern super whizz-bang Buck Rogers 21st Century

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  149. Joe862 says:
    @Okechukwu
    The fact that you would link to a white supremacist site and expect to be taken seriously is stunning evidence of your own mind-numbing stupidity.

    Oh, speaking of Einstein:

    THE SEARCH FOR THE NEXT EINSTEIN IN AFRICA

    AIMS is propelling Africa onto the global scientific stage. While striving to close the continent’s STEM education deficit and build its scientific infrastructure from the bottom up, the institution is also empowering a new generation of Africans to dream big. Turok and others are optimistic these inspired young Africans will make groundbreaking scientific discoveries.

    “I would claim,” Turok said in a 2013 TEDx talk, “that the best possible thing that could happen is that the next great discovery of the human mind on the scale of Einstein’s — a discovery which tells us about the basic nature of reality and changes the future, and creates the future — if that next discovery is made by an African.”

    However intimidating the task of training “Einsteins” might appear, many African leaders believe that Africa has the pipeline to make it happen. The continent has a massive youth demographic that will only get larger. According to UNICEF, 40% of the world's youth will be African by 2050. Turok and AIMS believe that African scientists are uniquely positioned to transform scientific fields, just as a generation of Jewish scientists did when they gained entry into universities across Europe in the 19th Century.

    https://helix.northwestern.edu/article/search-next-einstein-africa

    This is what's happening in the real world as distinct from your delusional and myopic Internet bubbles.

    The reason there are so many African children is that Africa never develops so the birthrate stays high. As you have shown, there are ongoing attempts to help Africa but overall it is still a mess. The average per capita GDP of the continent is <$2,000.

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  150. Rdm says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    Well, as you point out, measuring this is hard. Patents statistics exist ofc but as you're well aware they are inflated by blatant, mass-scale IP hogging in the East Asian countries.

    In any case, since whites seem to have an advantage in innovation, while Asians are more proficient in improvement, all else equal it would appear that a technologically stagnant world will be one in which Asians are relatively more powerful than they would otherwise be.

    Yea, right,

    A white guy draw a square, patented as Punnett square.
    A white guy invented a light house, given a Nobel Prize Gustaf Dalén.
    A white guy drew a conclusion between Malaria and Mosquitoes after visiting India, given a Nobel Prize Ronald Ross.

    The entire Chinese coolies built a transcontinental railroad, not a single symbol of achievement.
    Chinese invented a toilet paper. Not a single patent.
    Chinese invented umbrella, not a single patent.

    You guys keep spewing out fake patents, over bloated patents coming from East Asia? Be prepared for a similar approach taken by EuroWhites back in the olden days.

    Welcome to 21st century.

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    said:
    "The entire Chinese coolies built a transcontinental railroad, not a single symbol of achievement."

    No they didn't.
    Since when is basic manual labor a "symbol of achievement"?

    said
    "Chinese invented a toilet paper."
    Did they?

    "Chinese invented umbrella".
    Did they?

    I rather doubt such obvious tools of necessity needed to be "invented".

    That's like saying 'so & so invented roads'.

    Welcome to reality.

    , @Old Cynic
    "The entire Chinese coolies built a transcontinental railroad, not a single symbol of achievement"

    I don't quite understand that.
    Not just the expression "the entire Chinese...", but that building a railway (any railway) needs to be rewarded by PhDs or Patents.

    If these people had built their railway in the seventh century, and had had to invent steam locomotives, develop signalling, and decide how to manufacture railway lines, then - yes - they would have been groundbreaking. If, however, they were just using products and techniques invented by others then I cannot see the relevance to this discussion of that project.

    If I am missing the point please let me know.

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  151. @Okechukwu
    More evidence that the real world laughs at the nonsense found on this site:

    Silicon Valley Tech Leaders mentor Nigerian women working in STEM

    http://www.pulse.ng/bi/tech/silicon-valley-leaders-mentor-nigerian-women-working-in-stem-id8147916.html

    Nigeria: U.S. Supports Nigerian Women Advancement in Stem Fields

    http://allafrica.com/stories/201803220046.html

    The Kenyan Scientist Who is Opening Doors For Women in STEM

    https://www.ofafricamag.com/the-kenyan-scientist-who-is-opening-doors-for-women-in-stem/

    Strengthening STEM education in Kenya:

    http://www.ibe.unesco.org/sites/default/files/news/stem_kenya_concept_note_and_agenda.pdf

    Kenya: General Electric Promotes STEM Initiative in Kenya to Attract Girls

    http://allafrica.com/stories/201805140119.html

    Rwanda Ramps Up STEM Education for Girls

    https://www.voanews.com/a/rwanda-leading-way-in-girls-in-stem-field/4148108.html

    Science-Loving Teens From Ghana And D.C. Geek Out Together

    https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/03/23/520864034/science-loving-teens-from-ghana-and-d-c-geek-out-together

    STEM Workshops in Ghana

    http://www.stemchamp.com/ghana.html

    Promoting STEM in Ghana

    https://ghscientific.com/promoting-stem-ghana/

    Increasing female engagement in STEM in Ghana

    https://www.britishcouncil.org/partner/international-development/news-and-events/increasing-female-engagement-stem-ghana

    STEM Uganda

    https://www.stemuganda.org/

    Like Zimbabwe, U.S pushes STEM initiative as tech companies pledge $300m

    https://www.techzim.co.zw/2017/10/like-zimbabwe-u-s-pushes-stem-initiative-tech-companies-pledge-300m/

    Bridging the STEM and ICT gender gap in Tanzania

    http://news.itu.int/bridging-the-stem-and-ict-gender-gap-in-tanzania/

    Etc, etc, etc...

    The exception does not mean the rule. Do you not understand bell curves and Gaussian distribution?

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  152. Crimson2 says:

    More evidence that the real world laughs at the nonsense found on this site:

    I don’t know why the Unz crowd doesn’t get this. Maybe an obsession with nonwhite IQ correlates with a below-average to average IQ.

    You get one cross-burner like Charles Murray who manages to publish a few marginal papers and these folks get a bit…uppity. Learn your place, white supremacists. Learn. Your. Place.

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  153. bj says:
    @Okechukwu
    The fact that you would link to a white supremacist site and expect to be taken seriously is stunning evidence of your own mind-numbing stupidity.

    Oh, speaking of Einstein:

    THE SEARCH FOR THE NEXT EINSTEIN IN AFRICA

    AIMS is propelling Africa onto the global scientific stage. While striving to close the continent’s STEM education deficit and build its scientific infrastructure from the bottom up, the institution is also empowering a new generation of Africans to dream big. Turok and others are optimistic these inspired young Africans will make groundbreaking scientific discoveries.

    “I would claim,” Turok said in a 2013 TEDx talk, “that the best possible thing that could happen is that the next great discovery of the human mind on the scale of Einstein’s — a discovery which tells us about the basic nature of reality and changes the future, and creates the future — if that next discovery is made by an African.”

    However intimidating the task of training “Einsteins” might appear, many African leaders believe that Africa has the pipeline to make it happen. The continent has a massive youth demographic that will only get larger. According to UNICEF, 40% of the world's youth will be African by 2050. Turok and AIMS believe that African scientists are uniquely positioned to transform scientific fields, just as a generation of Jewish scientists did when they gained entry into universities across Europe in the 19th Century.

    https://helix.northwestern.edu/article/search-next-einstein-africa

    This is what's happening in the real world as distinct from your delusional and myopic Internet bubbles.

    Here is video of the West African Einsteins…….

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  154. @Anatoly Karlin
    It's worth noting that Japan seems to have topped out at no more than 20% of US elite level scientific output; South Korea, at well less than 10%.

    Consequently, Chinese scientific output may top out at no more than double that of the US, despite having more than quadruple the population.

    Of course this doesn't apply so much if the US continues to decline, due to adverse demographic changes and SJWization.

    I think most testing data would make people think that the smartest Asians in the world are the ones living in the US and Canada. Also – I’m prepared, based on everything I’ve ever dealt with, with China, ever, and based on the sure knowledge that China games the PISA scores, everyone knows this, and everyone lets China get away with it – by only including scores from the top-performing geography and educational program (Shanghai – it would be like only letting Massachusetts and Connecticut contribute their PISA scores, ignore the other 48 states, and call those two representative of the US, that is exactly what we let China get away with and then here we are generalizing to China on the whole like we swallowed the propaganda) – I am completely prepared to lay my bet down that the whole rest of the the 5 points above average in China is gamed. Could be wrong but that’s how I’d bet it.
    Chinese people are – anything but dull – but average 105? Really? 1.5 billion and we want to claim that half of them, 750 million, would score above 105? Not, bloody, likely.

    It is as often a form of hubris to attribute superhuman capabilities to others as it is to mis-attribute excessive competence to oneself. Generally speaking I think this is not one of Fred’s best articles. Someone could do a take-down piece on the specifics which are weak and the generalizations which do not follow well and that’s too bad because there is plenty not to like about Affirmative Action. Fred’s done much better work than this.

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    My experience with Chinese has generally been quite positive.

    I do wonder why the discrepancy exists between predicted societal success of Asians, based on IQ, and reality. I have read the verbal smart fraction theory, but don't really buy it. I've heard some claim that Europeans have wider IQ curves (and thus more geniuses), but the real data I've seen refutes this. I've heard the argument that lower testosterone reduces Asian boldness, which is important in innovation. But....I dunno.

    What does that leave?
    - Asians will surpass the West given some more time to develop. In this theory, they just got started in the scientific age a little late, and we just happen to be in this catch-up phase.
    - Successful societies are built on more than just IQ, and at least one part of this is more present among Europeans (the low-T theory is an example of this).

    Or perhaps something else entirely.
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  155. Wally says:
    @Rdm
    Yea, right,

    A white guy draw a square, patented as Punnett square.
    A white guy invented a light house, given a Nobel Prize Gustaf Dalén.
    A white guy drew a conclusion between Malaria and Mosquitoes after visiting India, given a Nobel Prize Ronald Ross.

    The entire Chinese coolies built a transcontinental railroad, not a single symbol of achievement.
    Chinese invented a toilet paper. Not a single patent.
    Chinese invented umbrella, not a single patent.

    You guys keep spewing out fake patents, over bloated patents coming from East Asia? Be prepared for a similar approach taken by EuroWhites back in the olden days.

    Welcome to 21st century.

    said:
    “The entire Chinese coolies built a transcontinental railroad, not a single symbol of achievement.”

    No they didn’t.
    Since when is basic manual labor a “symbol of achievement”?

    said
    “Chinese invented a toilet paper.”
    Did they?

    “Chinese invented umbrella”.
    Did they?

    I rather doubt such obvious tools of necessity needed to be “invented”.

    That’s like saying ‘so & so invented roads’.

    Welcome to reality.

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    By your logic, basic necessities need not an inventor.

    Edison was not an inventor of light bulbs because it's a basic necessity. Of course tungsten material, electric current control, glass shell for protection, all just thrown out into thin air. As long as the stuff is basic, we shall not name an invention.

    Olden days invention and 21st century inventions are not obviously comparable. In olden days, inventions and discoveries were more of a solitary achievement. Even then, from primitive stone age to discovery of fire, invention of man-made stuff was extraordinary back in the olden days.

    If a monkey made the stuff that comes with several poles of support with a shelter on top and manageable to fold and reopen, we would call it 'an invention' even if that invention became a basic necessity for every monkey.


    I rather doubt such obvious tools of necessity needed to be “invented”.
     
    So you wipe your ass with a communal brush?
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  156. Wally says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    ... most of Latin America is perfectly fine to live in,
     
    No, Mr. Karlin, most of Latin America is NOT perfectly fine to live in. It IS for the 1-5% wealthy people, the ones you may know from there. I know quite a few very bright guys FROM Latin America. Did you notice I wrote "FROM" Latin America, for emphasis. Why would 30,000,000 people from Mexicao and C. America alone have come here, if Latin America is a "perfectly fine place to live"?

    Most people are poor and besides some of the bright spots like Uruaguay, parts of Argentina and Chile (that would have previously included Caracas, Venezuala before the Commies), it's just plain 3rd world, meaning not much of a middle class - guys and families that have disposable income to use to improve their communities.

    The economies down there go up and down, Commies and military juntas come and go, and it's because the general personality traits of the average people don't consist of honesty and integrity. Those countries are hardly ever run worth a damn - doesn't that make you wonder why?

    Maybe all you've seen are the best parts of the big cities, Mr. Karlin. What I want to emphasize, regarding the writer Fred Reed is that he is living in Mexico as an expat, not a Mexican, on the US Dollar, not the Mexican peso. That's a nice way to do it until the dollar goes down the toilet (spoiler alert - it will).

    Don't get me wrong - there'd be plenty of things to appreciate down there as an American leaving the current warmongering US Police State behind. It's no picnic down there living as an actual Latin American, either. The grass is always greener, Gringo.

    Yep, all those Latin American ‘migrants’ are really just a mirage.

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  157. Wally says:
    @Ray Huffman
    Blacks contribute nothing and Hispanics, to date anyway, very little

    "To date anyway"?!

    Fred has really jumped the shark. It seems that he's now a believer in the magic dirt theory, at least as regards Hispanics. Yep, any second now, these people are going to transmogrify into doctors and engineers.

    True enough.

    Need proof?

    Just look at US TV commercials & dumb Spielberg movies; black & brown surgeons, engineers, physicists, & symphony orchestra conductors galore.

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  158. Wally says:
    @Bragadocious
    why on Earth would any self-respecting Mexican want to center his nationalism around the United States and what those pendejos do and think?

    It's not just Reed; did you check out the recent debate between the four presidential candidates in Mexico? It was all Yanqui, all the time. You'd think they had no other problems besides the Orange Hitler. I think one candidate briefly mentioned Mexican government corruption. There was an awkward silence. Then it was back to...more Trump bashing.

    The Mexican Congress, see any brown ones?

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  159. @EliteCommInc.
    welcome,

    i am not going to granting any uncorroborated data about Africa. Trying untangle the various african civilizations requires more than IQ testing and certainly a better grasp history of the region than understood by Mr Reed, if in fact that is what he believes.

    It never fails that when the premise demonstrated o be flawed, the trump attempt is aha

    but the subsaharans are dumb. First, we know so little about the region before colonialism because -- the desert was a massive barrier. But what further defeats the argument is the knowledge that the slaves largely from the region used their skills in architecture, construction and urban planning to wait for it --- enhance heating and cooling plantation homes, architecture . . . apparently, you haven't ever visited a plantation . . . given the knowledge those slaves brought and demonstrated, it's a bit obtuse that thy didn't have use of math. Whether any of that was adopted prior to routes past the desert is just an unknown. But one need not be a genius to understand that human civilization doesn't exist in a vacuum. The early architectural skills -- were certainly shared and passed on. As for formal math --- practical math works for me. i suspect given the trade routes including those linked to the southwesren coasts of North America -- indicates that africans even south of the sahara managed to sail to the oceans. I always thought whites got here first.

    Not knowing the contributions is not the same thing as said contributions not existing.


    http://history-world.org/africa.htm

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaoyqZn1ELI

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN_gZi4hnY4


    When i was in grade school, i had no idea that native americans actually built cities in the hills, and irrigated their farms, etc.

    Ignorance is not the same thing as nonexistence.


    As for math and blacks : I think the evidence is overwhelming that even with discrimination -- millions of blacks grasp mathematical concepts. more importantly --- very few people need to know math beyond the basics or level one algebra. The qualifications for what one is entitled to is citizenship, not math skills. To wit, let's make sure we undo the damage of denying equal access and then address what blacks are capable of --

    I am sure the Tuskegee airmen are having a good laugh at Mr. Reeds peculiar ideas. But what this confirms is that the country is in deep need of repair --- It;s frightening to understand that millions of US citizens have held these views expressed and at the same rime been responsible for ensuring black citizens be treated as citizens

    200 years of white thinking in full display.

    Note: you do realize that being hispanic is not a skin color -- and whoever created the concept as part of color demographics has a serious problem with categorical distinctions. I would have thought Mr Reed would be immediate to point that out as the white brown, dark brown divide is very intense in mexico.

    even someone with my low IQ gets that. In my view Their congress is whiter than our own.

    All 355 of the Tuskeegee Airmen who entered active duty in 1945 when the war was nearly over? LOL. Try again.

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    I have been assured that without the Tuskeegee Airmen, not only would the US have lost WWII, but WWI retroactively as well.
    , @EliteCommInc.
    The war was nearly over when the US entered it in Europe - Germany had stalled. Nonetheless,


    http://www.historynet.com/tuskegee-airmen


    It might be a good idea not to miss the point of the discussion. And it is not about how many black pilots were permitted to fly nor when. But, I am sure you are not blaming the black squadrons for the rather peculiar notions held by whites in terms of entering combat. Squadrons don't make those decisions.

    I may be conservative, but I am not going to hold bad decisions by white stakeholders against said squadrons --- I take it you are entirely unfamiliar with how the military command structure and politics work.

    But I get it -- when you are losing the argument -- make it about something else.

    , @EliteCommInc.
    http://acepilots.com/usaaf_tusk.html
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  160. @George Orwell
    Let's not forget these second-rate Chinese students can still run circles academically around any American. Even the dregs of China have sharper minds than the fading westerners.

    Nah, bullcrap. As Anonymous said, lots of Chinese come to study here because they couldn’t get into a good college in China. That’s because they aren’t very smart, though possibly still more hardworking than American students. Possibly not, and they copy and cheat like MF’ers.

    It’s only been since the last 15 years or so that China has not been sending their best and brightest. The universities don’t care – they want the full tuition money, and some cheap labor for the research work, if it’s graduate school. In the latter case, the student may get a green card out of it, allowing for easy funneling of ill-gotten funds by the Dad across the pond.

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    Of course the best and brightest in China are still coming in droves, they get here after getting their undergrad degree in China, then come here for their master's, which only takes 2 years, a lot cheaper than the 4 years undergrad plus they get priority for H1b. The rich but dull ones come for undergrad. All are looking at the degree as their ticket out of China.

    Same with Indians, but thanks to the Indian outsourcers, Indians don't even have to come here to get a degree anymore, they can just go to whichever diploma mill they can get into in India, all are cheap and 3rd rate, then bullshit their way into Infosys or TCS, and get sent to the US on H1b/L1/B1, and never leave. At least 500,000 Indians are in the US illegally.

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  161. Rdm says:
    @Wally
    said:
    "The entire Chinese coolies built a transcontinental railroad, not a single symbol of achievement."

    No they didn't.
    Since when is basic manual labor a "symbol of achievement"?

    said
    "Chinese invented a toilet paper."
    Did they?

    "Chinese invented umbrella".
    Did they?

    I rather doubt such obvious tools of necessity needed to be "invented".

    That's like saying 'so & so invented roads'.

    Welcome to reality.

    By your logic, basic necessities need not an inventor.

    Edison was not an inventor of light bulbs because it’s a basic necessity. Of course tungsten material, electric current control, glass shell for protection, all just thrown out into thin air. As long as the stuff is basic, we shall not name an invention.

    Olden days invention and 21st century inventions are not obviously comparable. In olden days, inventions and discoveries were more of a solitary achievement. Even then, from primitive stone age to discovery of fire, invention of man-made stuff was extraordinary back in the olden days.

    If a monkey made the stuff that comes with several poles of support with a shelter on top and manageable to fold and reopen, we would call it ‘an invention’ even if that invention became a basic necessity for every monkey.

    I rather doubt such obvious tools of necessity needed to be “invented”.

    So you wipe your ass with a communal brush?

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  162. @EliteCommInc.
    i would challenge the "unavoidable" press here. Since I bemoan the gutting of AA as intended and as originally designed. It is false that any program admit unqualified blacks or lowered their standards to admit them. what traditional educational facilities had done was fail to recruit qualified african americans -- their policies were insular. And in many cases of was revealed that qualified blacks were dismissed on the basis of color. In other-words, they recruited whites above qualified blacks , even unqualified whites were accepted. The goal of AA was never to lower standard.

    And while it has been great excuse among whites for all manner of complaint -- there was never a demand for lowered standards -- that has been done in multiple arenas for women and by women, i am speaking largely of white women. Your press reinforces the unqualified black mantra to blame for lowered standards -- despite the press that it doesn't matter.

    Whether or not it hurts science or the society in general is hard to weigh -- it may very well help, but to know we would need to examine the results and impact of the work of the so called "dumb" scientists from the smart scientists. i am not convinced that the ozone layer "bubbling oceans" scare scenario was the work of dumb scientists of smart scientists.


    The price for social peace is to avoid artificial barriers to full participation -- fairness. I tend to think people get it -- all things being fair - will not get equal returns for everyone. The problem has been our failure to work towards "all things being fair."


    I can't give one kid a gocart with four wheels and another kid a cart with two and claim that upon entering the competition -- it's fair and proceed to make all manner of excuse why it is fair while ignoring the obvious disparity and worse blaming the kid who was denied access to building a car with four wheels wheels.

    I can’t give one kid a gocart with four wheels and another kid a cart with two and claim that upon entering the competition — it’s fair and proceed to make all manner of excuse why it is fair while ignoring the obvious disparity and worse blaming the kid who was denied access to building a car with four wheels wheels.

    Lmao, The only ones “given” things are your precious SSA’s. Technology was not given but developed by some and given to 0thers. The population is booming in SSA due to western health and technological advancements.

    That kid with the four wheel go cart built it or got it from his father, mofo. Your precious kid with the two wheel cart is lucky he got anything. Ungratefulness at its finest.

    Denied access to building? WTF made some pops with lower average iq’s or different time preferences? I guess nature is racially discriminatory.

    You’re right, it’s all manner of excuses and it is completely unfair but not in the way you think bud

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    Denied access to building?
     
    It's pretty low IQ to deny that Jim Crow happened.
    , @EliteCommInc.
    Laughing. Nice try.

    exchange go-cart for access -- which is guarantee for every citizen.


    I don't think yo comprehend the value of metaphor. But nonetheless, just for fun, if you take the time to to actually read the comments and the conversation, you will find adequate a support that intellectual capital developed by blacks was confiscated by whites. Access to such processes as filing patents . . . .


    Anyone living in the US is lucky.

    Never fails, the all too irrelevant turn to IQ which has nothing to do with rights as citizens. I am not sure I am making a case for complete unfairness. But it's safe to say that if you think the discussion is based on IQ, then you are in the wrong ball park.

    The issues are quite clear and the premises about black intellectual capacity and development have are demonstrably false. Since IQ sociopathy rests on the similar premises, it's a safe bet they are also false.

    Look IO have a very low IQ, however, even I know that to make a link to genetics and biology, you will have to come up with the biological markers to make that case and furthermore account for the relevant environmental factors as they impact to trigger, stimulate and propel the same. Given your arguments thus far - its a safe bet you don't understand how argument is built, grasp how tpo apply the same or comprehend what is at issue.
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  163. @Jesse James
    All 355 of the Tuskeegee Airmen who entered active duty in 1945 when the war was nearly over? LOL. Try again.

    I have been assured that without the Tuskeegee Airmen, not only would the US have lost WWII, but WWI retroactively as well.

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    LOL!
    , @Jesse James
    Good thing the Mass. 54th Colored Infantry single handily defeated Lee's Army of Northern Virginia or the Tuskeegee Airmen would not have had the chance to defeat Hitler's Luftwaffe in the span of four and a half months.
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  164. megabar says:
    @Bardon Kaldian
    Although I disagree with Fred on some points, I must say I also find this frequent obsession with (collective) IQ weird. Evidently, a functioning modern civilization or human collective has not much to do with bare IQ. Well known examples:

    Mongolia- IQ 101

    Lithuania- IQ 91

    And Mongolia is, compared to Lithuania, a dump.

    American blacks or African Americans- IQ 85

    India- IQ 82

    While there are numerous Indian top physicists, mathematicians, engineers, excellent schools, ... no such thing among blacks.

    > While there are numerous Indian top physicists, mathematicians, engineers, excellent schools, … no such thing among blacks.

    One theory to explain this is that India is not a homogeneous “race.” Instead, the castes are quite separate, and do not generally interbreed. Some of the castes are probably quite bright; it is from these folks that the professionals you refer to come from.

    It sounds plausible to me, but I don’t claim to be an authority.

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  165. megabar says:
    @SimplePseudonymicHandle
    I think most testing data would make people think that the smartest Asians in the world are the ones living in the US and Canada. Also - I'm prepared, based on everything I've ever dealt with, with China, ever, and based on the sure knowledge that China games the PISA scores, everyone knows this, and everyone lets China get away with it - by only including scores from the top-performing geography and educational program (Shanghai - it would be like only letting Massachusetts and Connecticut contribute their PISA scores, ignore the other 48 states, and call those two representative of the US, that is exactly what we let China get away with and then here we are generalizing to China on the whole like we swallowed the propaganda) - I am completely prepared to lay my bet down that the whole rest of the the 5 points above average in China is gamed. Could be wrong but that's how I'd bet it.
    Chinese people are - anything but dull - but average 105? Really? 1.5 billion and we want to claim that half of them, 750 million, would score above 105? Not, bloody, likely.

    It is as often a form of hubris to attribute superhuman capabilities to others as it is to mis-attribute excessive competence to oneself. Generally speaking I think this is not one of Fred's best articles. Someone could do a take-down piece on the specifics which are weak and the generalizations which do not follow well and that's too bad because there is plenty not to like about Affirmative Action. Fred's done much better work than this.

    My experience with Chinese has generally been quite positive.

    I do wonder why the discrepancy exists between predicted societal success of Asians, based on IQ, and reality. I have read the verbal smart fraction theory, but don’t really buy it. I’ve heard some claim that Europeans have wider IQ curves (and thus more geniuses), but the real data I’ve seen refutes this. I’ve heard the argument that lower testosterone reduces Asian boldness, which is important in innovation. But….I dunno.

    What does that leave?
    - Asians will surpass the West given some more time to develop. In this theory, they just got started in the scientific age a little late, and we just happen to be in this catch-up phase.
    - Successful societies are built on more than just IQ, and at least one part of this is more present among Europeans (the low-T theory is an example of this).

    Or perhaps something else entirely.

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    Asians aren't doing better than whites because they live in low trust societies, where everyone is always trying to rip everyone else off. As soon as you invent something, someone steals the idea and cashes in on it before you do. Poor IP protection and a corrupt court system leaves you with no recourse. It takes away the incentive to invent.

    Contrast that with the west, where we all know our place. Asians and whites do all the work, Jews take all the credit at the top, with Indians as middle managers, throw a few bones to the women and minorities to appease the diversicrats. No argument necessary.

    , @Anatoly Karlin
    I think it ultimately boils down to more conformism. (Same story for female underperformance relative to men).

    Lots of societies are low trust - India, Arabs, the East Mediterranean. Doesn't stop them from performing in line with their IQs.
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  166. @MikeatMikedotMike
    I have been assured that without the Tuskeegee Airmen, not only would the US have lost WWII, but WWI retroactively as well.

    LOL!

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  167. @Crimson2
    Ah, the dumb IQ argument with zero understanding.

    The IQ panic against minorities makes no sense when you understand that our minority population has a higher IQ than the US did during the 1940s. Immigrants arriving today are much smarter than your ancestors when they arrived. The US population had an average IQ of 70 (!) In 1900. We are fine.

    Immigrants arriving today are much smarter than your ancestors when they arrived. The US population had an average IQ of 70 (!) In 1900.

    I can imagine that YOUR immigrant ancestors had an average IQ of 70, between the two of them, but that doesn’t apply for anyone else’s. It frickin’ hilarious, in fact, that you believe this.

    Have you ever seen an end-of-year American little-red-schoolhouse 8th-grade test from 100 years back, Crimson? You couldn’t … OK that doesn’t work … I’d even have to cram at the library for it. Stupidity has increased greatly over the last 100 years, and has accelerated – the last 20 years have seen a stupidity increase heretofore not seen by man!

    It’s not gonna be fine. Try to find the Mike Judge movie Idiocracy – you’ll enjoy it, even if you don’t get that the story in it is supposed to take place 500 years from now, but it’s been only 12 since it was made, and it has damn near become reality. PEAK STUPIDITY IS NIGH!

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    If you think the Flynn Effect is wrong, then you basically don't believe in IQ testing. And that's not surprising given that you are citing a movie as evidence of something.

    But Trump IS closer to President Camacho than anyone else so far, so that's a point in your favor.
    , @Truth
    This is what the data says, Bro, White IQ has increased by 30 points over the last 100 years. So the average IQ 100 years ago was 70.


    Are you saying that IQ data, and therefore tests, are garbage?
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  168. theMann says:

    China has already collapsed from within – its called sex selective abortion. The full effects are only beginning to show, but will ultimately grind …exceedingly fine. Not to mention the periodic outbursts of furious lunatic fury, sometimes xenophobic, other times self directed, that the Chinese routinely engage in.

    In the meantime, let’s stop with the nonsense about Asian, in general, and Chinese, in particular, intelligence. The one thing all those tests measure is that the Chinese are good at taking tests, and even better at cheating on taking tests. Which is a practical intelligence of a sort.

    And as an exercise, count up all the major inventions, acts of exploration, great works of art, practical Economic developments, engineering marvels, literary achievements, and religious ideas developed by all of Asia since 1000 AD, and compare them to what the population of tiny little Holland managed from 1650-1750 AD.

    Yep, that is what I thought.

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    This is how we know how Greece, the center of philosophy, science and art of Europe since became the modern-day capital of of cutting edge philosophy, science and art; the same laws of immutability also prevented their subsequent conquest by Roman legions.
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  169. @SimplePseudonymicHandle
    You know: I believe that with the right educational models and political stability Africa stands to be quite ascendant and the saddest thing about the belief systems of so many commenters here is that if one doesn't emerge a child prodigy, and if something doesn't just come easy as if winning the genetic lottery, they all collect in a sad echo chamber together to assure one another that that's OK, no reason to work hard cause what-the-point since they-know its all genetic.
    It is sad, it is weakness, and they will pound sand.

    But: that all said, in reference to your citations, I am fully prepared to accept them my own experience bears out their truth, however: American Affirmative Action law is intended to benefit African Americans and right past wrongs they have suffered. To often we are importing non-Americans who by law aren't even supposed to be counted in Affirmative Action, just to game the system so wealthy employers can appear to be doing their part. This hurts all Americans, white and black alike.

    however: American Affirmative Action law is intended to benefit African Americans and right past wrongs they have suffered. To often we are importing non-Americans who by law aren’t even supposed to be counted in Affirmative Action, just to game the system so wealthy employers blah…blah…blah…blah….

    Thats what it is: we just haven’t gotten it right the last 70 years: if only we focused exclusively on african americans: instead of homo americans: pussy hat americans: pajeet americans: ad nauseum…

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  170. CCZ says:
    @cylindrical crown
    Why don't we have affirmative action for airline pilots? These pilots could initially be used to ferry government officials flying in private planes (do you hear me, Nancy?). If that worked out well, they could be added as pilots for Hollywood actors, particularly those that take private jets to global warming and anti-second amendment conventions. The possibilities are unlimited, particularly with the expected high turn-over of pilots.

    But we may very likely have Affirmative Action Air Traffic Controllers.

    Friday [June 2, 2018] on Fox News Channel’s “Tucker Carlson Tonight,” aviation attorney Michael Pearson warned host Tucker Carlson that the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) was putting diversity ahead of public safety with its hiring practices for air traffic controllers.

    Carlson explained how the FAA rewarded job applicants on a biographical questionnaire with extra credit for answers demonstrating the applicants’ possible contribution to diversity over those that might show candidates as more qualified for an air traffic controller opening.

    CARLSON: Talking about air traffic controllers – OK? – who are the linchpin of public safety and transportation. Why would the FAA want people with less relevant skills in air traffic control for air traffic controllers?

    PEARSON: Because a group within the FAA, including the human resources function within the FAA, including the National Black Coalition of Federal Aviation Employees, determined that the workforce was too white.

    http://www.breitbart.com/video/2018/06/02/aviation-attorney-to-tucker-carlson-faa-is-putting-diversity-ahead-of-safety/

    Some primary source data:

    FAA Statement on the Barrier Analysis of the Air Traffic Control Specialist Centralized Hiring Process (April 16, 2013)

    Administrator Michael Huerta has made an historic commitment to transform the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) into a more diverse and inclusive workplace that reflects, understands, and relates to the diverse customers we serve. To meet this goal and satisfy the requirements of the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission MD-715, the Administrator tasked the Office of the Assistant Administrator for Civil Rights to conduct barrier analyses of the Air Traffic Control Specialist (ATCS) Centralized Hiring Process, Aviation Safety Inspectors, and Airway Transportation Systems Specialists.

    Adverse impact was found at several hurdles in the ATCS selection process, as well as across the overall ATCS selection process. Specifically, two of our three focal groups (African Americans and Females) have disproportionately lower pass rates than White and Male applicants for both minimum qualification hurdles (automated and HR) as well as for the CSP selection process.

    https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/acr/eeo_affirm_program/media/Extension_to_Barrier_Analysis_Report.pdf

    The FAA adopted the new test, called a biographical assessment, this year [2014]. The 62-question test asks applicants about their abilities, life experiences and work backgrounds. It also asks how they’ve handled various stressful situations. Only about one-in-12 applicants passed the test.

    Many students spend money and time attending FAA-sponsored aeronautics colleges, such as Mt. San Antonio College in the San Gabriel Valley city of Walnut. The test is controversial because those students, who would normally have a big advantage getting into air controller training, are put on the same footing as applicants off the street who may apply with just three years of solid work experience in any field.

    The new test is intended to broaden the pool of air traffic controller candidates beyond those who attend the 36 schools that partner with the FAA, U.S. Transportation Secretary Anthony Foxx said in a congressional hearing this year.

    In 2012, the FAA and the Civil Rights Division of the U.S. Department of Justice analyzed the barriers that women and minorities face when trying to get jobs at the FAA. It found only five percent of the air traffic controller applicants coming from the FAA partnership schools were African-American.

    https://www.scpr.org/blogs/politics/2014/04/18/16419/most-air-traffic-control-applicants-fail-new-faa-p/

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  171. Crimson2 says:
    @Non sequitur
    I can’t give one kid a gocart with four wheels and another kid a cart with two and claim that upon entering the competition — it’s fair and proceed to make all manner of excuse why it is fair while ignoring the obvious disparity and worse blaming the kid who was denied access to building a car with four wheels wheels.

    Lmao, The only ones “given” things are your precious SSA’s. Technology was not given but developed by some and given to 0thers. The population is booming in SSA due to western health and technological advancements.

    That kid with the four wheel go cart built it or got it from his father, mofo. Your precious kid with the two wheel cart is lucky he got anything. Ungratefulness at its finest.


    Denied access to building? WTF made some pops with lower average iq’s or different time preferences? I guess nature is racially discriminatory.

    You’re right, it’s all manner of excuses and it is completely unfair but not in the way you think bud

    Denied access to building?

    It’s pretty low IQ to deny that Jim Crow happened.

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    It’s even lower iq to deny evolution happened and happens

    Get over it and make evolution work in your favor and increase the smart fraction of black Pop and as the Mexicans say: get off my zacate


    https://goo.gl/images/jQYdFz
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  172. @MikeatMikedotMike
    I have been assured that without the Tuskeegee Airmen, not only would the US have lost WWII, but WWI retroactively as well.

    Good thing the Mass. 54th Colored Infantry single handily defeated Lee’s Army of Northern Virginia or the Tuskeegee Airmen would not have had the chance to defeat Hitler’s Luftwaffe in the span of four and a half months.

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  173. Crimson2 says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Immigrants arriving today are much smarter than your ancestors when they arrived. The US population had an average IQ of 70 (!) In 1900.
     
    I can imagine that YOUR immigrant ancestors had an average IQ of 70, between the two of them, but that doesn't apply for anyone else's. It frickin' hilarious, in fact, that you believe this.

    Have you ever seen an end-of-year American little-red-schoolhouse 8th-grade test from 100 years back, Crimson? You couldn't ... OK that doesn't work ... I'd even have to cram at the library for it. Stupidity has increased greatly over the last 100 years, and has accelerated - the last 20 years have seen a stupidity increase heretofore not seen by man!

    It's not gonna be fine. Try to find the Mike Judge movie Idiocracy - you'll enjoy it, even if you don't get that the story in it is supposed to take place 500 years from now, but it's been only 12 since it was made, and it has damn near become reality. PEAK STUPIDITY IS NIGH!

    If you think the Flynn Effect is wrong, then you basically don’t believe in IQ testing. And that’s not surprising given that you are citing a movie as evidence of something.

    But Trump IS closer to President Camacho than anyone else so far, so that’s a point in your favor.

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  174. @theMann
    China has already collapsed from within - its called sex selective abortion. The full effects are only beginning to show, but will ultimately grind ...exceedingly fine. Not to mention the periodic outbursts of furious lunatic fury, sometimes xenophobic, other times self directed, that the Chinese routinely engage in.


    In the meantime, let's stop with the nonsense about Asian, in general, and Chinese, in particular, intelligence. The one thing all those tests measure is that the Chinese are good at taking tests, and even better at cheating on taking tests. Which is a practical intelligence of a sort.

    And as an exercise, count up all the major inventions, acts of exploration, great works of art, practical Economic developments, engineering marvels, literary achievements, and religious ideas developed by all of Asia since 1000 AD, and compare them to what the population of tiny little Holland managed from 1650-1750 AD.

    Yep, that is what I thought.

    This is how we know how Greece, the center of philosophy, science and art of Europe since became the modern-day capital of of cutting edge philosophy, science and art; the same laws of immutability also prevented their subsequent conquest by Roman legions.

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  175. @Non sequitur
    I can’t give one kid a gocart with four wheels and another kid a cart with two and claim that upon entering the competition — it’s fair and proceed to make all manner of excuse why it is fair while ignoring the obvious disparity and worse blaming the kid who was denied access to building a car with four wheels wheels.

    Lmao, The only ones “given” things are your precious SSA’s. Technology was not given but developed by some and given to 0thers. The population is booming in SSA due to western health and technological advancements.

    That kid with the four wheel go cart built it or got it from his father, mofo. Your precious kid with the two wheel cart is lucky he got anything. Ungratefulness at its finest.


    Denied access to building? WTF made some pops with lower average iq’s or different time preferences? I guess nature is racially discriminatory.

    You’re right, it’s all manner of excuses and it is completely unfair but not in the way you think bud

    Laughing. Nice try.

    exchange go-cart for access — which is guarantee for every citizen.

    I don’t think yo comprehend the value of metaphor. But nonetheless, just for fun, if you take the time to to actually read the comments and the conversation, you will find adequate a support that intellectual capital developed by blacks was confiscated by whites. Access to such processes as filing patents . . . .

    Anyone living in the US is lucky.

    Never fails, the all too irrelevant turn to IQ which has nothing to do with rights as citizens. I am not sure I am making a case for complete unfairness. But it’s safe to say that if you think the discussion is based on IQ, then you are in the wrong ball park.

    The issues are quite clear and the premises about black intellectual capacity and development have are demonstrably false. Since IQ sociopathy rests on the similar premises, it’s a safe bet they are also false.

    Look IO have a very low IQ, however, even I know that to make a link to genetics and biology, you will have to come up with the biological markers to make that case and furthermore account for the relevant environmental factors as they impact to trigger, stimulate and propel the same. Given your arguments thus far – its a safe bet you don’t understand how argument is built, grasp how tpo apply the same or comprehend what is at issue.

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    Why do you need "biological markers?" Did horse breeders have specific "biological markers" when they bred fast horses for racehorses? For hundreds of years they bred horses successfully, with no way to look at their organs or other biological artifacts without killing the animal, and yet they created incredible breeds.

    They just tested performance, which is exactly what you do with anything or anyone else.
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  176. @Jesse James
    All 355 of the Tuskeegee Airmen who entered active duty in 1945 when the war was nearly over? LOL. Try again.

    The war was nearly over when the US entered it in Europe – Germany had stalled. Nonetheless,

    http://www.historynet.com/tuskegee-airmen

    It might be a good idea not to miss the point of the discussion. And it is not about how many black pilots were permitted to fly nor when. But, I am sure you are not blaming the black squadrons for the rather peculiar notions held by whites in terms of entering combat. Squadrons don’t make those decisions.

    I may be conservative, but I am not going to hold bad decisions by white stakeholders against said squadrons — I take it you are entirely unfamiliar with how the military command structure and politics work.

    But I get it — when you are losing the argument — make it about something else.

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    I am quite familiar with how the US' public perception has been skewed by Hollywood's Afro-centric propaganda and revisionist American triumphalism to include Ivy League Cult-Marx diversity when there was none. You are apparently a victim of it.
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  177. anonymous[207] • Disclaimer says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    Laughing. Nice try.

    exchange go-cart for access -- which is guarantee for every citizen.


    I don't think yo comprehend the value of metaphor. But nonetheless, just for fun, if you take the time to to actually read the comments and the conversation, you will find adequate a support that intellectual capital developed by blacks was confiscated by whites. Access to such processes as filing patents . . . .


    Anyone living in the US is lucky.

    Never fails, the all too irrelevant turn to IQ which has nothing to do with rights as citizens. I am not sure I am making a case for complete unfairness. But it's safe to say that if you think the discussion is based on IQ, then you are in the wrong ball park.

    The issues are quite clear and the premises about black intellectual capacity and development have are demonstrably false. Since IQ sociopathy rests on the similar premises, it's a safe bet they are also false.

    Look IO have a very low IQ, however, even I know that to make a link to genetics and biology, you will have to come up with the biological markers to make that case and furthermore account for the relevant environmental factors as they impact to trigger, stimulate and propel the same. Given your arguments thus far - its a safe bet you don't understand how argument is built, grasp how tpo apply the same or comprehend what is at issue.

    Why do you need “biological markers?” Did horse breeders have specific “biological markers” when they bred fast horses for racehorses? For hundreds of years they bred horses successfully, with no way to look at their organs or other biological artifacts without killing the animal, and yet they created incredible breeds.

    They just tested performance, which is exactly what you do with anything or anyone else.

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    The 'biologial markers' were the historical performance of horses in the breeding stock's lineage.

    It's far less precise than selecting based on genomes (assuming that links between genes and performance are identifiable, and genuine... and not just some grad student trying to make bank with another 'science is magic' p-hacked fake study).
    , @EliteCommInc.
    I think you just made my point concerning the veracity of the claim and the methodology you claim supports.


    But as previously noted -- the issues being discussed are not about IQ and IQ has no relevance, excuse my politeness in entertaining the notion. A can of rubber worms I'd rather leave in the can for the moment.
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  178. @Jesse James
    All 355 of the Tuskeegee Airmen who entered active duty in 1945 when the war was nearly over? LOL. Try again.
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  179. Fran800 says:
    @Realist

    ....phlogiston...
     
    Phlogiston??? When did you go to school? Did you know Johann Joachim Becher ?

    It’s something that interacts with pollywannacrackerine.

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  180. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    It's worth noting that Japan seems to have topped out at no more than 20% of US elite level scientific output; South Korea, at well less than 10%.

    Consequently, Chinese scientific output may top out at no more than double that of the US, despite having more than quadruple the population.

    Of course this doesn't apply so much if the US continues to decline, due to adverse demographic changes and SJWization.

    Lol. Who do you think is doing the scientific research here in America? It is East Asians. So the comparison is a poor one.

    Also, it doesn’t make sense to compare the US with East Asia without normalizing for economic output. One of the reasons why America is so dominate in science for right now is merely because America has more money and it’s people more leisure time due to the Petro dollar.

    That isn’t going to carry over in the future.

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    Actually Kenya Kura noted that the incidence of East Asians in academia begins to drop off after the undergrad level.

    https://www.unz.com/jthompson/asians-bright-but-not-curious/#comment-1681937

    (Finishing university is a socially respectable norm. Grad school - not so much. Going into academia - not at all).
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  181. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    Well, as you point out, measuring this is hard. Patents statistics exist ofc but as you're well aware they are inflated by blatant, mass-scale IP hogging in the East Asian countries.

    In any case, since whites seem to have an advantage in innovation, while Asians are more proficient in improvement, all else equal it would appear that a technologically stagnant world will be one in which Asians are relatively more powerful than they would otherwise be.

    Whites do not have an advantage in innovation.

    You can say whites had an advantage in the last 200 years or so, but that is based on a lot of things beside something that is inate.

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    I have always wondered why other Asians are so triggered by the possibility that whites might be more innovative overall; there's certainly an excellent case to be made for it given current and historical trends which hold up under analysis.

    At any rate, regardless of its truth(or lack of thereof), isn't the appropriate tack to consider to study it and attempt to understand the roots of creativity and innovation further? If there is an issue, then good, we will understand that better and hopefully forge toward a solution(if worthwhile). If not, then more understanding is still better at the end of the day.
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  182. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @Frederick V. Reed
    Anatoly Karlin: "Reed – The US needs to imports tens of millions more Hispanics [insert some boomer strawman argument about how stupid and uninformed Alt Righters are]"

    Karlin appears to be a lock-step thinker who reads what he expects rather than what is written. I have said endlessly that mass immigration was a mistake, that America should close its border and assimilate those immigratnts who cannot be deported. This turns into "Fred wants to import millions...." Where does he get this stuff? It is a sort of illiteracy of the higly literate. And confirms my views of Alt-Righters.

    Karlin so wants you to be this straw man he has created of you so you will be easier to beat. He does this all the time with people he disagrees with.

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  183. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    Patents statistics exist ofc but as you’re well aware they are inflated by blatant, mass-scale IP hogging in the East Asian countries.
     
    I worked in software. It's mind boggling the kind of stuff we apply for patents for in the US, even the most mundane design change for a scrollbar or a flyout menu will try to apply for a patent. Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

    Karlin only looks for data that confirms his opinions. So he likely doesn’t care what you said.

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  184. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alfa158
    The word “wigger” comes from combining “White” and “nigger”. It refers to White people who admire blacks and wish that they were black people. In what respect are White Nationalists people who admire blacks and wish they were black?
    You should look up the definition of a word before you use it.

    Thomm is from India so he doesn’t understand the context.

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    BzzzzT.......wrong.

    I understand it better than you do, because I am a normal white guy, and you are a WN wigger.
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  185. @Hannah Katz
    Maybe Sheldon Cooper was right when he characterized MIT as little more than a trade school.

    Anyone who says “little more than a trade school” as a pejorative, is a little dumber than a fuckwit.

    One of the tremendous things about ‘the trades’ is that they are the most important avenue – bar none – for improving the skills and economic outlooks of people who are not suited for tertiary education.

    I just Googled who “Sheldon Cooper” is – he’s a fictional character who is the Dummies version of what smart people are like. So I get it – the line is a second-quintile intellect’s guess at what a top-percentile smartass might say (because anyone with an IQ above 130 speaks solely in one-liners and ‘zingers’, apparently. Not in my experience, but whateverrrrr).

    How the fuck anyone with an IQ above 80 watches that bilge is beyond me, but I do realise that tastes are highly subjective (I’m about to watch the latest eps of “Fear the Walking Dead” and “Westworld”, so, y’know… pot, this is kettle: how copy over?).

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    How the fuck anyone with an IQ above 80 watches that bilge is beyond me, but I do realise that tastes are highly subjective (I’m about to watch the latest eps of “Fear the Walking Dead” and “Westworld”, so, y’know… pot, this is kettle: how copy over?).
     
    Yup, all three shows are shit.
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  186. @anonymous
    Why do you need "biological markers?" Did horse breeders have specific "biological markers" when they bred fast horses for racehorses? For hundreds of years they bred horses successfully, with no way to look at their organs or other biological artifacts without killing the animal, and yet they created incredible breeds.

    They just tested performance, which is exactly what you do with anything or anyone else.

    The ‘biologial markers’ were the historical performance of horses in the breeding stock’s lineage.

    It’s far less precise than selecting based on genomes (assuming that links between genes and performance are identifiable, and genuine… and not just some grad student trying to make bank with another ‘science is magic’ p-hacked fake study).

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  187. @anonymous
    Why do you need "biological markers?" Did horse breeders have specific "biological markers" when they bred fast horses for racehorses? For hundreds of years they bred horses successfully, with no way to look at their organs or other biological artifacts without killing the animal, and yet they created incredible breeds.

    They just tested performance, which is exactly what you do with anything or anyone else.

    I think you just made my point concerning the veracity of the claim and the methodology you claim supports.

    But as previously noted — the issues being discussed are not about IQ and IQ has no relevance, excuse my politeness in entertaining the notion. A can of rubber worms I’d rather leave in the can for the moment.

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    Your "politeness" in demonstrating that you're an idiot who cannot distinguish between equality of opportunity and equality of outcome is the can of "rubber worms" that you want to leave behind, while being utterly incapable of understanding that record of performance is easily a record of markers and innate capability.

    Affirmative action is gimmedats and you can't shake your addiction to it. For all practical purposes, its worsening the innate capability by further promoting the propagation of those among your race with less cognitive capability.
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  188. @Flavius
    Fred calling it like he sees it. I see it that way too. 50 years later it isn't necessary to produce reams of data to demonstate to someone standing in the woods that those are trees in them there woods: the evidence abounds. Affirmative Action is racism pure, simple, and on its face. The damage it has caused, not least to the victims it was gussied up to help, has been immense; and by the way, where intellectual work is concerned, it isn't just the STEM disciplines that have been affected, all of them have been affected, the literary arts, the musical arts, the plastic arts, the whole damn shooting match.

    The real problem with trying to make up for wrongs done two hundred years ago, is that it’s impossible. All the people who were involved are long since dead.

    The people alive now are affected by law changes as either beneficiaries or as the abused.
    The people at the top who run things decided that they wanted to do something for the poor unfortunates who couldn’t seem to get a break, and they did.
    The fact that they replaced pro white discrimination with pro black discrimination is neither here nor there, the fact is that they were able flex their dictatorial muscles.

    It always was about control and showing everybody just who was boss. And quite possibly, revenge. Wallace stood in the schoolhouse door. Eisenhower showed him who was boss.
    Just ask yourself who it is that you can’t criticize. In public. Better yet, ask Roseanne.

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  189. Anon[436] • Disclaimer says:
    @Realist

    Realists don’t have to be unimaginative plodders who don’t recognise the satirical or spoof.
     
    Gee thanks....my comment was meant in jest.

    But you knew that, you're still pissed off about the verbal ass kicking I gave you awhile back....grow up.

    You are a pathetic little man who has to resort to misplaced attempts at pedantry for a simulation of wit. Unlike you Fran800 got it right and doesn’t have to cover the nakedness of a wannabe intellectual. To confirm the picture of your dwarfish personality I did a search to see if what your last paragraph asserted (already negated by my lack of memory of any reply by you to my comments) was more than pathetic pissing in the wind. Negative. So, if you don’t want to crawl under a rock and just forget your latest vain and foolish utterance, see if you can find this great comment of yours of which you boast. I’m waiting, but that’s because I’m cruel to the weak: I’m sure there’ll only be a yawn directed your way by others.

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    I did a search to see if what your last paragraph asserted (already negated by my lack of memory of any reply by you to my comments) was more than pathetic pissing in the wind. Negative.
     
    So all this acerbic ad hominem attack is a product of your sick mind.

    I’m sure there’ll only be a yawn directed your way by others.
     
    It's so gracious of you to speak for others.
    I see you are hiding behind a disclaimer, you're a weasel.

    Try Ex Lax it'll clear your mind.

    , @Realist

    Unlike you Fran800 got it right and doesn’t have to cover the nakedness of a wannabe intellectual.
     
    Fran800 comment was made in jest, unlike yours made from stupidity. You are an ignorant little prick.

    This will be my last response to anons or anonymous posters who hide behind a disclaimer....get a pseudonym or get ignored
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  190. anonymous[164] • Disclaimer says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    I think you just made my point concerning the veracity of the claim and the methodology you claim supports.


    But as previously noted -- the issues being discussed are not about IQ and IQ has no relevance, excuse my politeness in entertaining the notion. A can of rubber worms I'd rather leave in the can for the moment.

    Your “politeness” in demonstrating that you’re an idiot who cannot distinguish between equality of opportunity and equality of outcome is the can of “rubber worms” that you want to leave behind, while being utterly incapable of understanding that record of performance is easily a record of markers and innate capability.

    Affirmative action is gimmedats and you can’t shake your addiction to it. For all practical purposes, its worsening the innate capability by further promoting the propagation of those among your race with less cognitive capability.

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    First, I don't think I have referenced my skin color. It is totally irrelevant on the question at hand.

    Second, even genetic researchers have yet to comprehend the relevant impacts of environment to biology -- most are quite frank on that question.

    Third, it's very obvious that genetics plays a role in all manner of human existence and behaviors. Some we kn ow are static/steady state based on a very particular genetic coding. We are less certain, almost in the dark about steady state dynamic for non tangibles.

    Fourth, in your eagerness to beset name calling, you have ventured off into the wees concerning the conversation on AA.

    Fifth and perhaps most importantly, your spate in the weeds has clouded what my position is concerning capability to d development, and as my comments demonstrate any argument that blacks by definition from below the sahara desert are incapable of higher intellectual processes such as math has been successfully refuted.

    The issue of AA and about which you are hyperventilating has been addressed on multiple dimensions from in some surface discussion as to its build, , intent, eventual application and miss application -- most of which has advantaged white women, hispanic women, and foreigners, most white or light enough to be part and parcel to white ambitions on maintaining the social system they have harbored for themselves. I guess saying for the dominant skin color would be more descriptive and less inflammatory.


    To my knowledge I don't have any addictions save perhaps to my own bitterness, but that has no relevance to this matter.
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  191. @EliteCommInc.
    The war was nearly over when the US entered it in Europe - Germany had stalled. Nonetheless,


    http://www.historynet.com/tuskegee-airmen


    It might be a good idea not to miss the point of the discussion. And it is not about how many black pilots were permitted to fly nor when. But, I am sure you are not blaming the black squadrons for the rather peculiar notions held by whites in terms of entering combat. Squadrons don't make those decisions.

    I may be conservative, but I am not going to hold bad decisions by white stakeholders against said squadrons --- I take it you are entirely unfamiliar with how the military command structure and politics work.

    But I get it -- when you are losing the argument -- make it about something else.

    I am quite familiar with how the US’ public perception has been skewed by Hollywood’s Afro-centric propaganda and revisionist American triumphalism to include Ivy League Cult-Marx diversity when there was none. You are apparently a victim of it.

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    I certainly enjoy hollywood films. But any relationship that i might desire with the community is blunted, dashed, destroyed, impossible, because I hold views that are reprehensible to that community. Most conservatives do. Mostly they would like me to die a slow and painful death - the sooner the better.


    But I have not referenced any hollywood films on the question of the issue.


    I think what you mean is that we are learning a lot more about blacks that was heretofore unknown to most people and a food deal of that is based on the record of history. I had no idea that Virginia had a black physics instructor in 1872.

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  192. Thomm says:
    @Anonymous
    Thomm is from India so he doesn't understand the context.

    BzzzzT…….wrong.

    I understand it better than you do, because I am a normal white guy, and you are a WN wigger.

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  193. @Intelligent Dasein
    I had a lot more fun on Friday nights staying home reading an old O-chem textbook than I ever did at the bar scene. A still, starry night, a glass of brandy, and a slice of being to contemplate. Those are the times that stick with you.

    You drank brandy and read organic chemistry as a teen?

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  194. Anon[298] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thomm

    In what respect are White Nationalists people who admire blacks and wish they were black?
     
    It is you who are unaware of the terminology. The meaning of the word changed around 1994.

    The reason White Trashionalists have more in common with blacks than successful whites can be listed as follows.

    i) The tendency to see race in everything.
    ii) Low IQ, particularly in mathematical concepts. WNs cannot read graphs and charts.
    iii) Left-wing economic views.
    iv) Laziness and low economic productivity.
    v) High tolerance of female obesity.


    For this reason, it is highly correct to use that term to describe WNs.

    The meaning of the word changed around 1994.

    From what to what? Please explain and provide supporting documentation.

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  195. @RealAmerican
    How can any American kid, white, black, or Hispanic compete with a Chinese student when there are Friday night football games, and Saturday night bar scenes to attend. Would you, Fred, could you spend your whole weekend studying mathematics and chemistry at the expense of beautiful, provocative, sultry, flirtatious, tempting and irresistible young American women. If you were a youngster in today's America?

    The women in the bar scene usually are a little light on the irresistable side and a little bit heavy on the scale.

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  196. @Anonymous
    Whites do not have an advantage in innovation.

    You can say whites had an advantage in the last 200 years or so, but that is based on a lot of things beside something that is inate.

    I have always wondered why other Asians are so triggered by the possibility that whites might be more innovative overall; there’s certainly an excellent case to be made for it given current and historical trends which hold up under analysis.

    At any rate, regardless of its truth(or lack of thereof), isn’t the appropriate tack to consider to study it and attempt to understand the roots of creativity and innovation further? If there is an issue, then good, we will understand that better and hopefully forge toward a solution(if worthwhile). If not, then more understanding is still better at the end of the day.

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    South Koreans are particularly devoid of creativity. All the Hyundai cars look like direct copies of Mercedes. K-pop is just like our boy bands. Their cuisine esp. lacks creativity, everything is served in a hot bowl of spicy red soup, their culinary creativity doesn't go far beyond waffle in the shape of a fish or in the shape of turd. Really pathetic.
    , @Anonymous
    I'm not triggered by the innovation meme.

    I do believe whites are more creative, but blacks are more creative than whites so what is the point that is trying to be made?

    Whites like Anatoly use the innovation meme as an excuse to shoehorn the idea that whites are the only ones who can be drivers for new things which is total bs. And Asians can only follow what whites create for them.
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  197. Truth says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Immigrants arriving today are much smarter than your ancestors when they arrived. The US population had an average IQ of 70 (!) In 1900.
     
    I can imagine that YOUR immigrant ancestors had an average IQ of 70, between the two of them, but that doesn't apply for anyone else's. It frickin' hilarious, in fact, that you believe this.

    Have you ever seen an end-of-year American little-red-schoolhouse 8th-grade test from 100 years back, Crimson? You couldn't ... OK that doesn't work ... I'd even have to cram at the library for it. Stupidity has increased greatly over the last 100 years, and has accelerated - the last 20 years have seen a stupidity increase heretofore not seen by man!

    It's not gonna be fine. Try to find the Mike Judge movie Idiocracy - you'll enjoy it, even if you don't get that the story in it is supposed to take place 500 years from now, but it's been only 12 since it was made, and it has damn near become reality. PEAK STUPIDITY IS NIGH!

    This is what the data says, Bro, White IQ has increased by 30 points over the last 100 years. So the average IQ 100 years ago was 70.

    Are you saying that IQ data, and therefore tests, are garbage?

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    What IQ data? Where does this 30 points in 100 years come from?! That would mean people 100 years ago were retards on average. That's not even close to believable.

    I haven't read anything by Crimson before, but Truth, come on, that is the most retarded thing I've read from you....

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    ... in a long time.
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  198. Truth says:
    @Kratoklastes
    Anyone who says "little more than a trade school" as a pejorative, is a little dumber than a fuckwit.

    One of the tremendous things about 'the trades' is that they are the most important avenue - bar none - for improving the skills and economic outlooks of people who are not suited for tertiary education.

    I just Googled who "Sheldon Cooper" is - he's a fictional character who is the Dummies version of what smart people are like. So I get it - the line is a second-quintile intellect's guess at what a top-percentile smartass might say (because anyone with an IQ above 130 speaks solely in one-liners and 'zingers', apparently. Not in my experience, but whateverrrrr).

    How the fuck anyone with an IQ above 80 watches that bilge is beyond me, but I do realise that tastes are highly subjective (I'm about to watch the latest eps of "Fear the Walking Dead" and "Westworld", so, y'know... pot, this is kettle: how copy over?).

    How the fuck anyone with an IQ above 80 watches that bilge is beyond me, but I do realise that tastes are highly subjective (I’m about to watch the latest eps of “Fear the Walking Dead” and “Westworld”, so, y’know… pot, this is kettle: how copy over?).

    Yup, all three shows are shit.

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  199. anon[204] • Disclaimer says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    The point is very simple --- apparent;y blacks are capable of upper mathematical concepts, given the number with the aptitude, diligence and or both ---

    I suspect that Africans and their descendants from below the Saharan desert have always had that ability and certainly, as demonstrated have that ability today. Now i could quibble with who was first and what not -- but bottom line -- once the premise is broken - it's broken.

    Whatever notions about brain capacity and ability is refuted in spades, --- no pun intended.


    You have no idea what level they are on -- as stated before ignorance is not their lack of contribution or achievement --- but your comment they are the same level as everyone else -- is humorous. And apparently they are proving the most important contribution knocking down peculiar notions about black brain capacity developed as far back as the 1700's. The only tragedy is that so many people actually still believe it and have the nerve to teach and repeat it.

    Might want to take a look at the number of people who actually graduate with degrees in this field ---

    https://www.aip.org/sites/default/files/statistics/graduate/graddegrees-p-08.pdf


    First it was they didn't. Then ti was they couldn't. Now it has to be they must be legends . . . laughing. Your premise of gone and the data sets previous provided further the point.

    Plenty of legends the question us more than likely legends for whom. I am not in the field, but i suspect that there plenty of legends in physics, but those are bonuses and quite unnecessary to the initial commentary.

    https://www.nist.gov/speech-testimony/african-american-technological-contributions-past-present-and-future

    Any black who can do long division is instantly recruited to Harvard as “best and brightest”, however since that number is so low, Harvard is now forced to accept those who can do long division with a calculator.

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    no university that i know of uses a single standard for entry. I suspect that you are just making hay.
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  200. anon[204] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mj
    If you want to see women with the qualities you cite then visit Seoul, visit Moscow, visit Riga.

    Who are these American grrrls you describe? Amerigirrrls are irresistible? Good grief. By irresistible do you mean cartoonish levels of narcissism coupled with gag-inducing BMIs?

    Kudos to the Chinese boy who studies on Saturday night. He’s not missing out on a damn thing. If American white kids want to party their youth away then do so, by all means. But, when the excitements of youth fade, and those white kids grow up to become overweight forty-somethings with BA in Psychology pulling in a whopping 32K per year I hope they blame themselves and not the tide from the east.

    Kudos to the Chinese boy who studies on Saturday night. He’s not missing out on a damn thing. If American white kids want to party their youth away then do so, by all means. But, when the excitements of youth fade, and those white kids grow up to become overweight forty-somethings with BA in Psychology pulling in a whopping 32K per year I hope they blame themselves and not the tide from the east.

    If the East and Easterners are so great, why do they keep flooding to the west?

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    Why do rich American kids go to Italy and France to "study" and receive a language or art history degree from a foreign university or to Africa's backwards pit toilet countries for college credit hours? Because their wealthy parents have the money. The world's wealthy spending habits are indeed universal and not new. How did you miss that?
    , @Mj
    I don’t think they’re “so great.” Let me clarify: young whites, particularly young men of lower SE status, could learn a thing or two from the behaviors of East Asians. Notably in regards to academics and the consequent economic benefits that result. I was responding to the comical statement that American females are irresistible (his word, not mine) and this leads young American men to waste crucial years chasing after them.
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  201. George says:

    “Blacks contribute nothing”

    What about music? That’s called ‘soft power’ by the inside the beltway crowd.

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  202. @anonymous
    Your "politeness" in demonstrating that you're an idiot who cannot distinguish between equality of opportunity and equality of outcome is the can of "rubber worms" that you want to leave behind, while being utterly incapable of understanding that record of performance is easily a record of markers and innate capability.

    Affirmative action is gimmedats and you can't shake your addiction to it. For all practical purposes, its worsening the innate capability by further promoting the propagation of those among your race with less cognitive capability.

    First, I don’t think I have referenced my skin color. It is totally irrelevant on the question at hand.

    Second, even genetic researchers have yet to comprehend the relevant impacts of environment to biology — most are quite frank on that question.

    Third, it’s very obvious that genetics plays a role in all manner of human existence and behaviors. Some we kn ow are static/steady state based on a very particular genetic coding. We are less certain, almost in the dark about steady state dynamic for non tangibles.

    Fourth, in your eagerness to beset name calling, you have ventured off into the wees concerning the conversation on AA.

    Fifth and perhaps most importantly, your spate in the weeds has clouded what my position is concerning capability to d development, and as my comments demonstrate any argument that blacks by definition from below the sahara desert are incapable of higher intellectual processes such as math has been successfully refuted.

    The issue of AA and about which you are hyperventilating has been addressed on multiple dimensions from in some surface discussion as to its build, , intent, eventual application and miss application — most of which has advantaged white women, hispanic women, and foreigners, most white or light enough to be part and parcel to white ambitions on maintaining the social system they have harbored for themselves. I guess saying for the dominant skin color would be more descriptive and less inflammatory.

    To my knowledge I don’t have any addictions save perhaps to my own bitterness, but that has no relevance to this matter.

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  203. @anon
    Any black who can do long division is instantly recruited to Harvard as "best and brightest", however since that number is so low, Harvard is now forced to accept those who can do long division with a calculator.

    no university that i know of uses a single standard for entry. I suspect that you are just making hay.

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  204. @Jesse James
    I am quite familiar with how the US' public perception has been skewed by Hollywood's Afro-centric propaganda and revisionist American triumphalism to include Ivy League Cult-Marx diversity when there was none. You are apparently a victim of it.

    I certainly enjoy hollywood films. But any relationship that i might desire with the community is blunted, dashed, destroyed, impossible, because I hold views that are reprehensible to that community. Most conservatives do. Mostly they would like me to die a slow and painful death – the sooner the better.

    But I have not referenced any hollywood films on the question of the issue.

    I think what you mean is that we are learning a lot more about blacks that was heretofore unknown to most people and a food deal of that is based on the record of history. I had no idea that Virginia had a black physics instructor in 1872.

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    That is your own personal mental problem if you are blunted or dashed and cannot enjoy some 'community'. You are convinced that you must find in Afro-centric propaganda a few alleged historical anomalies which you may make equal with significant academic or technical achievement. You are practicing mindless PC sophistry.
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  205. anon[204] • Disclaimer says:
    @CCZ
    Hand in hand with "adverse demographic changes and SJWization" is the "decolonization" of Western science and philosophy, most heavily advocated by university faculty and students in Africa and, increasingly, in Europe, Canada, and the United States. Interesting how no "decolonizers" appear to be Chinese, Japanese, or Korean.

    A concise example is the below 4 minute video from the University of Cape Town that promotes the "fall" of Western science.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9SiRNibD14

    So decolonization has now come to science. According to this woman decolonization of science means to take out all the “western” science and teach science from an African perspective, like explaining the voodoo black magic that says you can send lighting to strike someone.

    I think she has a point. It makes no sense teaching science to people who can’t even understand basic math. Africans are people who only know how to consume, they have zero capacity to understand, build, grow or develop anything they consume. The best thing we could do for Africa is to decolonize completely, take away all the modernity brought on by science and colonialism, let these people return to wondering buck naked in the African jungles with bones in their noses, it’s the way they are meant to live. Africans are not meant to live like modern humans. Stop torturing these poor people.

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  206. anon[204] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    Nah, bullcrap. As Anonymous said, lots of Chinese come to study here because they couldn't get into a good college in China. That's because they aren't very smart, though possibly still more hardworking than American students. Possibly not, and they copy and cheat like MF'ers.

    It's only been since the last 15 years or so that China has not been sending their best and brightest. The universities don't care - they want the full tuition money, and some cheap labor for the research work, if it's graduate school. In the latter case, the student may get a green card out of it, allowing for easy funneling of ill-gotten funds by the Dad across the pond.

    Of course the best and brightest in China are still coming in droves, they get here after getting their undergrad degree in China, then come here for their master’s, which only takes 2 years, a lot cheaper than the 4 years undergrad plus they get priority for H1b. The rich but dull ones come for undergrad. All are looking at the degree as their ticket out of China.

    Same with Indians, but thanks to the Indian outsourcers, Indians don’t even have to come here to get a degree anymore, they can just go to whichever diploma mill they can get into in India, all are cheap and 3rd rate, then bullshit their way into Infosys or TCS, and get sent to the US on H1b/L1/B1, and never leave. At least 500,000 Indians are in the US illegally.

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    You have no idea what you're talking about. The main reason to get a US degree for most Chinese students is not to stay in the US but to increase their salary back in China("hairy crab"); as it becomes a poorer investment, it becomes less popular. Those who wish to stay in the US are usually doing so due to a desire for higher pay, which also is only sometimes true now.

    A hypothetical "best and brightest" with a Tsinghua degree in something like machine learning has no real reason to come to the US; he's basically max'ed out his salary for someone out of college. The US isn't likely to pay him more than $100k; he'll make the same in China, but with much better purchasing parity.

    The primary consideration for most young people is heavily economic.

    , @Okechukwu

    Of course the best and brightest in China are still coming in droves, they get here after getting their undergrad degree in China, then come here for their master’s, which only takes 2 years, a lot cheaper than the 4 years undergrad plus they get priority for H1b. The rich but dull ones come for undergrad. All are looking at the degree as their ticket out of China.
     
    Yeah, right. Yet every year thousands of Chinese students are expelled from US universities and deported for cheating, poor grades and general academic incompetence.

    How an industry helps Chinese students cheat their way into and through U.S. colleges

    https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/college-cheating-iowa/

    How Sophisticated Test Scams From China Are Making Their Way Into the U.S.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2016/03/how-sophisticated-test-scams-from-china-are-making-their-way-into-the-us/474474/

    Chinese Students Arrested for Cheating on TOEFL Exam

    https://learningenglish.voanews.com/a/chinese-students-arrested-toefl/3839870.html

    U.S. COLLEGES EXPELLED AS MANY AS 8,000 CHINESE STUDENTS IN 3 YEARS

    http://www.newsweek.com/us-colleges-expelled-many-8000-chinese-students-3-years-337445

    Unfortunately, they don't catch all the cheats. What this culture of cheating does is it leaves the Chinese woefully unprepared when they leave the classroom and join industry. As my wife's experiences with Chinese "scientists" at her lab can attest, their grasp of the subject matter for which they've received doctoral degrees is often incredibly insufficient.

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  207. anon[204] • Disclaimer says:
    @megabar
    My experience with Chinese has generally been quite positive.

    I do wonder why the discrepancy exists between predicted societal success of Asians, based on IQ, and reality. I have read the verbal smart fraction theory, but don't really buy it. I've heard some claim that Europeans have wider IQ curves (and thus more geniuses), but the real data I've seen refutes this. I've heard the argument that lower testosterone reduces Asian boldness, which is important in innovation. But....I dunno.

    What does that leave?
    - Asians will surpass the West given some more time to develop. In this theory, they just got started in the scientific age a little late, and we just happen to be in this catch-up phase.
    - Successful societies are built on more than just IQ, and at least one part of this is more present among Europeans (the low-T theory is an example of this).

    Or perhaps something else entirely.

    Asians aren’t doing better than whites because they live in low trust societies, where everyone is always trying to rip everyone else off. As soon as you invent something, someone steals the idea and cashes in on it before you do. Poor IP protection and a corrupt court system leaves you with no recourse. It takes away the incentive to invent.

    Contrast that with the west, where we all know our place. Asians and whites do all the work, Jews take all the credit at the top, with Indians as middle managers, throw a few bones to the women and minorities to appease the diversicrats. No argument necessary.

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  208. anon[204] • Disclaimer says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    I have always wondered why other Asians are so triggered by the possibility that whites might be more innovative overall; there's certainly an excellent case to be made for it given current and historical trends which hold up under analysis.

    At any rate, regardless of its truth(or lack of thereof), isn't the appropriate tack to consider to study it and attempt to understand the roots of creativity and innovation further? If there is an issue, then good, we will understand that better and hopefully forge toward a solution(if worthwhile). If not, then more understanding is still better at the end of the day.

    South Koreans are particularly devoid of creativity. All the Hyundai cars look like direct copies of Mercedes. K-pop is just like our boy bands. Their cuisine esp. lacks creativity, everything is served in a hot bowl of spicy red soup, their culinary creativity doesn’t go far beyond waffle in the shape of a fish or in the shape of turd. Really pathetic.

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  209. @anon
    Of course the best and brightest in China are still coming in droves, they get here after getting their undergrad degree in China, then come here for their master's, which only takes 2 years, a lot cheaper than the 4 years undergrad plus they get priority for H1b. The rich but dull ones come for undergrad. All are looking at the degree as their ticket out of China.

    Same with Indians, but thanks to the Indian outsourcers, Indians don't even have to come here to get a degree anymore, they can just go to whichever diploma mill they can get into in India, all are cheap and 3rd rate, then bullshit their way into Infosys or TCS, and get sent to the US on H1b/L1/B1, and never leave. At least 500,000 Indians are in the US illegally.

    You have no idea what you’re talking about. The main reason to get a US degree for most Chinese students is not to stay in the US but to increase their salary back in China(“hairy crab”); as it becomes a poorer investment, it becomes less popular. Those who wish to stay in the US are usually doing so due to a desire for higher pay, which also is only sometimes true now.

    A hypothetical “best and brightest” with a Tsinghua degree in something like machine learning has no real reason to come to the US; he’s basically max’ed out his salary for someone out of college. The US isn’t likely to pay him more than $100k; he’ll make the same in China, but with much better purchasing parity.

    The primary consideration for most young people is heavily economic.

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    Well, I think the stereotype among mainland Chinese goes like this:

    The best and most talented stay at home to attend top-tier institutions, second-best go to school in North America, Europe and Australia, and the level below that attend science and engineering universities in developed Asia (Singapore, South Korea, Japan etc).

    For whatever reason, Chinese are now beginning to trust the quality of their own schools.

    Barring being qualified to attend a good program at home, places like Germany, the US, Britain and France continue to command respect among Chinese.

    Singaporean, South Korean and Japanese institutions are considered (by mainlanders) to be rigorous and well-resourced, but extremely rigid and stifling in terms of creativity and originality (even in comparison to schools in China, which is saying something).
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  210. Realist says:
    @Anon
    You are a pathetic little man who has to resort to misplaced attempts at pedantry for a simulation of wit. Unlike you Fran800 got it right and doesn't have to cover the nakedness of a wannabe intellectual. To confirm the picture of your dwarfish personality I did a search to see if what your last paragraph asserted (already negated by my lack of memory of any reply by you to my comments) was more than pathetic pissing in the wind. Negative. So, if you don't want to crawl under a rock and just forget your latest vain and foolish utterance, see if you can find this great comment of yours of which you boast. I'm waiting, but that's because I'm cruel to the weak: I'm sure there'll only be a yawn directed your way by others.

    I did a search to see if what your last paragraph asserted (already negated by my lack of memory of any reply by you to my comments) was more than pathetic pissing in the wind. Negative.

    So all this acerbic ad hominem attack is a product of your sick mind.

    I’m sure there’ll only be a yawn directed your way by others.

    It’s so gracious of you to speak for others.
    I see you are hiding behind a disclaimer, you’re a weasel.

    Try Ex Lax it’ll clear your mind.

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  211. Okechukwu says:
    @anon
    Of course the best and brightest in China are still coming in droves, they get here after getting their undergrad degree in China, then come here for their master's, which only takes 2 years, a lot cheaper than the 4 years undergrad plus they get priority for H1b. The rich but dull ones come for undergrad. All are looking at the degree as their ticket out of China.

    Same with Indians, but thanks to the Indian outsourcers, Indians don't even have to come here to get a degree anymore, they can just go to whichever diploma mill they can get into in India, all are cheap and 3rd rate, then bullshit their way into Infosys or TCS, and get sent to the US on H1b/L1/B1, and never leave. At least 500,000 Indians are in the US illegally.

    Of course the best and brightest in China are still coming in droves, they get here after getting their undergrad degree in China, then come here for their master’s, which only takes 2 years, a lot cheaper than the 4 years undergrad plus they get priority for H1b. The rich but dull ones come for undergrad. All are looking at the degree as their ticket out of China.

    Yeah, right. Yet every year thousands of Chinese students are expelled from US universities and deported for cheating, poor grades and general academic incompetence.

    How an industry helps Chinese students cheat their way into and through U.S. colleges

    https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/college-cheating-iowa/

    How Sophisticated Test Scams From China Are Making Their Way Into the U.S.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2016/03/how-sophisticated-test-scams-from-china-are-making-their-way-into-the-us/474474/

    Chinese Students Arrested for Cheating on TOEFL Exam

    https://learningenglish.voanews.com/a/chinese-students-arrested-toefl/3839870.html

    U.S. COLLEGES EXPELLED AS MANY AS 8,000 CHINESE STUDENTS IN 3 YEARS

    http://www.newsweek.com/us-colleges-expelled-many-8000-chinese-students-3-years-337445

    Unfortunately, they don’t catch all the cheats. What this culture of cheating does is it leaves the Chinese woefully unprepared when they leave the classroom and join industry. As my wife’s experiences with Chinese “scientists” at her lab can attest, their grasp of the subject matter for which they’ve received doctoral degrees is often incredibly insufficient.

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  212. Realist says:
    @Anon
    You are a pathetic little man who has to resort to misplaced attempts at pedantry for a simulation of wit. Unlike you Fran800 got it right and doesn't have to cover the nakedness of a wannabe intellectual. To confirm the picture of your dwarfish personality I did a search to see if what your last paragraph asserted (already negated by my lack of memory of any reply by you to my comments) was more than pathetic pissing in the wind. Negative. So, if you don't want to crawl under a rock and just forget your latest vain and foolish utterance, see if you can find this great comment of yours of which you boast. I'm waiting, but that's because I'm cruel to the weak: I'm sure there'll only be a yawn directed your way by others.

    Unlike you Fran800 got it right and doesn’t have to cover the nakedness of a wannabe intellectual.

    Fran800 comment was made in jest, unlike yours made from stupidity. You are an ignorant little prick.

    This will be my last response to anons or anonymous posters who hide behind a disclaimer….get a pseudonym or get ignored

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    Sorry you don't like anonymous truth tellers who don't kid themselves pathetically by hiding their anonymity in a boastful pseudonym like Realist. But it is surely reasonable to avoid more than casual contact with a blowhard who claims to have given Anon [236] a "verbal ass kicking some time back" but has had to admit tacitly that it was a bragging lie which he has made no attempt to back up when called on it.

    And to add the demeaning of intellect to your demeaned moral character you add, contrary to your newly announced principle, a second reply to the scornful anonymous commenter!

    You even state with total irrelevance that Fran800's comment was made in jest when the point was that your ponderous first effort missed what she and the previous Anon comment pointed out, namely that *you hadn't shown any understanding that Fred's verbiage was in jest*. Duh.

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  213. @anon

    Kudos to the Chinese boy who studies on Saturday night. He’s not missing out on a damn thing. If American white kids want to party their youth away then do so, by all means. But, when the excitements of youth fade, and those white kids grow up to become overweight forty-somethings with BA in Psychology pulling in a whopping 32K per year I hope they blame themselves and not the tide from the east.
     
    If the East and Easterners are so great, why do they keep flooding to the west?

    Why do rich American kids go to Italy and France to “study” and receive a language or art history degree from a foreign university or to Africa’s backwards pit toilet countries for college credit hours? Because their wealthy parents have the money. The world’s wealthy spending habits are indeed universal and not new. How did you miss that?

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  214. @Truth
    This is what the data says, Bro, White IQ has increased by 30 points over the last 100 years. So the average IQ 100 years ago was 70.


    Are you saying that IQ data, and therefore tests, are garbage?

    What IQ data? Where does this 30 points in 100 years come from?! That would mean people 100 years ago were retards on average. That’s not even close to believable.

    I haven’t read anything by Crimson before, but Truth, come on, that is the most retarded thing I’ve read from you….

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    … in a long time.

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    It's the Flynn Effect. Look it up.
    , @Truth
    http://psych.wisc.edu/braun/281/Intelligence/RisingIQ.htm
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  215. @EliteCommInc.
    I certainly enjoy hollywood films. But any relationship that i might desire with the community is blunted, dashed, destroyed, impossible, because I hold views that are reprehensible to that community. Most conservatives do. Mostly they would like me to die a slow and painful death - the sooner the better.


    But I have not referenced any hollywood films on the question of the issue.


    I think what you mean is that we are learning a lot more about blacks that was heretofore unknown to most people and a food deal of that is based on the record of history. I had no idea that Virginia had a black physics instructor in 1872.

    That is your own personal mental problem if you are blunted or dashed and cannot enjoy some ‘community’. You are convinced that you must find in Afro-centric propaganda a few alleged historical anomalies which you may make equal with significant academic or technical achievement. You are practicing mindless PC sophistry.

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    Hmmmmmm . . .,


    I don't have any idea what you are on about,

    " . . . blunted or dashed and cannot enjoy some ‘community’," these comments are bizarre and not relevant to our discussion. If you mean the hollywood community, i think my position is pretty clear. If i were politically correct, i doubt anyone in hollywood would wish for my demise as they currently do.

    you are humorous.


    You missed the topic of discussion, you ignored the relevant data to the discussion, the data is neither PC or in any manner prose for the sake of prose. A premise was made concerning skin color and mathematics, in this case higher mathematical thinking, I provided examples that rebutted the premise and i did so with examples that span certain periods in history. It required no gymnastics, and required making nothing up.

    Now I am sure that making assumptions about my skin color, my politics, my personal attributes is all well and good , but they don't address the counter examples. Enough to make clear that b;lacks below the subsharan desert are more than capable of supposed higher intellectual processing." But having jumped into a deep end in which you are floundering, you missed the most important points of the discussion which is about

    AA --

    what it is

    what it was designed to to do
    how it was implemented
    who benefited
    and who remain the primary beneficiaries

    all of which is about the 1st amendment rights of "redress greivences" something about which intellectual capacity is utterly irrelevant.

    You also by failing to review the conversation before commenting missed my view of AA which differs profoundly from anything even most blacks understand about the program. I got off the blame the black man band wagon based on the data of who benefited , more than 25 years ago. now I understand how that bandwagon is helpful to ginning up votes, but it is based on falsehood. I learned long ago -- effective management requires operating on accurate data.

    When presented with the data your chose was make personal attacks and change the subject. n The Tuskegee institute is not responsible for based management choices made by the US military based on falsehood.

    operating on accurate information is never, just pc.


    I do my best to operate from data, not how i feel, would might want try that sometime. A claven of people all screaming the same falsehoods won't make it any more accurate. I am not easily intimidated by politicians, blacks, whites, rich, poor, connected, wise, unwise, jews, muslims, christians -- the arguments are what tey are -- either they make sense to the data or they do not.

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  216. Mj says:
    @anon

    Kudos to the Chinese boy who studies on Saturday night. He’s not missing out on a damn thing. If American white kids want to party their youth away then do so, by all means. But, when the excitements of youth fade, and those white kids grow up to become overweight forty-somethings with BA in Psychology pulling in a whopping 32K per year I hope they blame themselves and not the tide from the east.
     
    If the East and Easterners are so great, why do they keep flooding to the west?

    I don’t think they’re “so great.” Let me clarify: young whites, particularly young men of lower SE status, could learn a thing or two from the behaviors of East Asians. Notably in regards to academics and the consequent economic benefits that result. I was responding to the comical statement that American females are irresistible (his word, not mine) and this leads young American men to waste crucial years chasing after them.

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  217. @Jesse James
    That is your own personal mental problem if you are blunted or dashed and cannot enjoy some 'community'. You are convinced that you must find in Afro-centric propaganda a few alleged historical anomalies which you may make equal with significant academic or technical achievement. You are practicing mindless PC sophistry.

    Hmmmmmm . . .,

    I don’t have any idea what you are on about,

    ” . . . blunted or dashed and cannot enjoy some ‘community’,” these comments are bizarre and not relevant to our discussion. If you mean the hollywood community, i think my position is pretty clear. If i were politically correct, i doubt anyone in hollywood would wish for my demise as they currently do.

    you are humorous.

    You missed the topic of discussion, you ignored the relevant data to the discussion, the data is neither PC or in any manner prose for the sake of prose. A premise was made concerning skin color and mathematics, in this case higher mathematical thinking, I provided examples that rebutted the premise and i did so with examples that span certain periods in history. It required no gymnastics, and required making nothing up.

    Now I am sure that making assumptions about my skin color, my politics, my personal attributes is all well and good , but they don’t address the counter examples. Enough to make clear that b;lacks below the subsharan desert are more than capable of supposed higher intellectual processing.” But having jumped into a deep end in which you are floundering, you missed the most important points of the discussion which is about

    AA –

    what it is

    what it was designed to to do
    how it was implemented
    who benefited
    and who remain the primary beneficiaries

    all of which is about the 1st amendment rights of “redress greivences” something about which intellectual capacity is utterly irrelevant.

    You also by failing to review the conversation before commenting missed my view of AA which differs profoundly from anything even most blacks understand about the program. I got off the blame the black man band wagon based on the data of who benefited , more than 25 years ago. now I understand how that bandwagon is helpful to ginning up votes, but it is based on falsehood. I learned long ago — effective management requires operating on accurate data.

    When presented with the data your chose was make personal attacks and change the subject. n The Tuskegee institute is not responsible for based management choices made by the US military based on falsehood.

    operating on accurate information is never, just pc.

    I do my best to operate from data, not how i feel, would might want try that sometime. A claven of people all screaming the same falsehoods won’t make it any more accurate. I am not easily intimidated by politicians, blacks, whites, rich, poor, connected, wise, unwise, jews, muslims, christians — the arguments are what tey are — either they make sense to the data or they do not.

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  218. Crimson2 says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    What IQ data? Where does this 30 points in 100 years come from?! That would mean people 100 years ago were retards on average. That's not even close to believable.

    I haven't read anything by Crimson before, but Truth, come on, that is the most retarded thing I've read from you....

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    ... in a long time.

    It’s the Flynn Effect. Look it up.

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  219. myself says:
    @sayless
    Women are conformists

    I'm not. I asked around.

    I’m not. I asked around.

    You “asked around“?

    Doesn’t that mean that you care what others think?

    If you care what others think, doesn’t that then mean you’re a con . . . . ah hell, never mind.

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  220. myself says:
    @Truth

    Bring on the Chinese competitors for Amazon, Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Apple, Uber, AirBnB, Netflix, and take down fecking Starbucks. I’m sick of these self-serving arrogant virtue signaling libtard masters of the universe who do nothing but censor free speech, buy influence in DC and sell out the country by importing cheap foreign labor by the millions
     
    .

    ...Be careful what you wish for, Sporti-Boy, you just might get it.

    Bring on the Chinese competitors

    …Be careful what you wish for, Sporti-Boy, you just might get it.

    Starting to happen, seeing it right about now.

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  221. Ahmed34 says:

    Fred,
    Sometimes you write well, other times you don’t. But somehow I thought you were fairminded. I can see now I was mistaken in thinking that. And here is your unfairness:
    You enslaved the blacks in America for centuries. Given how the American schools are funded, property tax, you never gave the blacks decent schools, or decent teachers, or decent education. And now you blame the blacks on America’s decline!! Where is the logic or fairness in that?

    Whites always thought they were smarter than other races. Nobody could challenge them when they were technologically more advanced. But now that other races the Japanese, the Chinese, the Koreans, etc. have mastered the technological know how, and China is becoming or already is the most dominant country in the world, the whites are so terrified! And when they think about why is there country lagging, or why China has catched up with them and passed so quickly, they don’t find an answer. and what do they do? They take the lazy path and blame the blacks and the affirmative action.

    If you want the real reason why America is lagging, and why China is ascending, it has nothing to do with political correctness–a perfect alibi for those who ruined America–and has every thing to do with the top leadership of the country. China has able, determined, and dedicated leaders, but America does not. If you want America to recover, fix the leadership problem at the top, and invest resources to educate poor blacks, Latinos, and poor whites. However, if you give billions of dollars of tax cuts to the richest Americans, and to big corportaions, and America’s highest leaders give 29 standing ovations to Binjamin Netanyahu, how can you compete with China? You can’t.

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  222. @Crimson2

    Denied access to building?
     
    It's pretty low IQ to deny that Jim Crow happened.

    It’s even lower iq to deny evolution happened and happens

    Get over it and make evolution work in your favor and increase the smart fraction of black Pop and as the Mexicans say: get off my zacate

    https://goo.gl/images/jQYdFz

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  223. myself says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    You have no idea what you're talking about. The main reason to get a US degree for most Chinese students is not to stay in the US but to increase their salary back in China("hairy crab"); as it becomes a poorer investment, it becomes less popular. Those who wish to stay in the US are usually doing so due to a desire for higher pay, which also is only sometimes true now.

    A hypothetical "best and brightest" with a Tsinghua degree in something like machine learning has no real reason to come to the US; he's basically max'ed out his salary for someone out of college. The US isn't likely to pay him more than $100k; he'll make the same in China, but with much better purchasing parity.

    The primary consideration for most young people is heavily economic.

    Well, I think the stereotype among mainland Chinese goes like this:

    The best and most talented stay at home to attend top-tier institutions, second-best go to school in North America, Europe and Australia, and the level below that attend science and engineering universities in developed Asia (Singapore, South Korea, Japan etc).

    For whatever reason, Chinese are now beginning to trust the quality of their own schools.

    Barring being qualified to attend a good program at home, places like Germany, the US, Britain and France continue to command respect among Chinese.

    Singaporean, South Korean and Japanese institutions are considered (by mainlanders) to be rigorous and well-resourced, but extremely rigid and stifling in terms of creativity and originality (even in comparison to schools in China, which is saying something).

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    The best and most talented stay at home to attend top-tier institutions, second-best go to school in North America, Europe and Australia, and the level below that attend science and engineering universities in developed Asia (Singapore, South Korea, Japan etc).
     
    How does that break down between undergrad and graduate school? Are the best Chinese staying home for both?
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  224. @Okechukwu
    White privilege and white supremacy are much more powerful than Affirmative Action in putting stupid, incompetent and unqualified people into position. How does a guy like George W. Bush become president of the most powerful country in the world? How about Trump? How far would a black Trump get? I dare say, a black Trump would be working in a dockyard somewhere. Many of the problems we've faced and continue to face are the result of dumb and ignorant whites in positions of power and influence while smarter, more capable and more talented non-whites have systematically been denied access.

    As a matter of observable–if, to many, unwelcome–fact, virtually all of the work in STEM fields (science, technology, engineering, and mathematics) in America is done by whites.
     
    And virtually all the work in STEM fields in Nigeria is done by blacks. So?

    America’s prosperity and place in the world very much depend on invention and excellence in the STEM fields. Boeing sells airliners, and provides jobs to Americans, only because its airliners are technically equal to those of AirBus. A lowering of technical capacity will have unfortunate consequences for the country
     
    America will lose its competitive edge unless it takes advantage of the talents of all its people. Smart people understand this. Just as there were black geniuses toiling away on slave plantations, there are today black geniuses without the means or opportunity to express their genius. It's society's duty to ameliorate the conditions that produce those conditions. Trying to stratify those conditions with justification rooted in idiotic pseudoscientific tripe may play well in cloistered echo-chambers like this, but normal society isn't dumb enough to buy it.

    ‘…White privilege and white supremacy are much more powerful than Affirmative Action in putting stupid, incompetent and unqualified people into position…’

    My experience has definitely been the reverse. It can’t be guaranteed, but as a rule, the white or Asian people I encounter are competent at their jobs. The same is true of Hispanics if we’re talking about some field unaffected by affirmative action; foreman in a lumber yard, auto repair or carpentry, for example.

    Thanks to affirmative action, blacks are incompetent with astonishing consistency. This isn’t to say that they’re inherently incompetent; just that they’ve been usually promoted beyond their level of competence thanks to their skin color. The black who would make a decent bank teller is an incompetent loan officer. The black who could handle being a nurse is an incompetent doctor; while the black who could be a decent custodian is now blowing it as a nurse. The black who could be whatever Apple calls their counter staff in an Apple Store is elevated to store manager — and promptly makes a hash of every problem that arises. There was even a certain black who always struck me as being about good enough to be a state assemblyman who became President — and the weakest president we’ve had since at least Herbert Hoover.

    One learns — always avoid the black. This isn’t a function of racism; I am racist, but I’ve worked perfectly comfortably with blacks who are in fact competent at their jobs. It’s a function of affirmative action; it’s like the Peter Principle on drugs. A black will tend to get promoted to a position well beyond his level of competence on the basis of his skin color – and then kept in that position, regardless of his demonstrated ineptitude, because of his skin color.

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    AGREED!

    Very good take on that pernicious aspect of Affirmative Action, Mr. Wright.

    May I post this in it's entirety sometime on Peak Stupidity? (It may be a few days, as I've got 4 posts in my head to get to already.)
    , @manorchurch

    My experience has definitely been the reverse. It can’t be guaranteed, but as a rule, the white or Asian people I encounter are competent at their jobs. The same is true of Hispanics if we’re talking about some field unaffected by affirmative action; foreman in a lumber yard, auto repair or carpentry, for example.
     
    The failure -- the absolute failure -- of Affirmative Action -- is that it has established itself as a determining factor, in the minds of negros, assuring them of employment, despite all demonstration of incompetence. Thus, "merit" never enters the equation, as negros know they will get gubmint and corporate jobs, regardless.

    The net effect has been to make negros even more shiftless, and less achievement-oriented, than ever before. That is, AA has achieved the exact opposite of what was intended.
    , @Okechukwu

    My experience has definitely been the reverse. It can’t be guaranteed, but as a rule, the white or Asian people I encounter are competent at their jobs. The same is true of Hispanics if we’re talking about some field unaffected by affirmative action; foreman in a lumber yard, auto repair or carpentry, for example.
     
    We all have our experiences and anecdotes. I've encountered whites and Asians who were too stupid for words and thoroughly incompetent in their positions. You're saying with a straight face that institutionalized advantage hasn't put blithering idiot whites into positions that could otherwise be filled by more competent blacks? I know there used to be a saying among blacks that they had to be twice as good as whites, and often they were.

    Hispanic isn't even a race. And Affirmative Action isn't a black thing, asi the prime beneficiaries have been white women and white men by extension.


    Thanks to affirmative action, blacks are incompetent with astonishing consistency. This isn’t to say that they’re inherently incompetent; just that they’ve been usually promoted beyond their level of competence thanks to their skin color.
     
    The world is overrun by dumb whites who make decisions that impact all of our lives. They get there through legacy family connections, good old boy networks and a system that systematically casts a very narrow net that doesn't encompass a wider array of talent that would otherwise bring much needed brain power to the equation. How many dumb whites are there in banking or Wall Street or in high level government positions? How many dumb whites are on Unz flapping their gums about IQ? Dumb whites are as countless as the stars.
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  225. @anon
    The Chinese are flocking to our universities to study STEM, which means our higher ed is still better than theirs, so if our STEM subjects are dumbed down, they get dumbed down too. Maybe human development has peaked. Modern civilization is on its way down. If we can't all be equally smart, then we must all be equally dumb.

    You are confusing “better” with “more highly recognized”.

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  226. Truth says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    What IQ data? Where does this 30 points in 100 years come from?! That would mean people 100 years ago were retards on average. That's not even close to believable.

    I haven't read anything by Crimson before, but Truth, come on, that is the most retarded thing I've read from you....

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    I can see lots of BS just in that little blurb. Scores of people tested at age 65 were compared to those of people test at 25 y/o. It reads like a real bullshit article, Truth. I have read of the Flynn effect right here on iSteve. IQ is not "immutable" as is the quick conclusion, but that doesn't mean it's not mostly genetic either. Don't just cherry-pick on small blurb, Truth. Read a few articles on the Flynn effect, and compare methods and conclusions.

    As to the idea that Americans 100 years ago were borderline retards, anyone believing that has not read a lick of American history. People are definitely on the stupidity side versus their century-ago ancestors, twitter-tweets notwithstanding ... actually, twitter-tweets as proof. Just at one level now (and NOT saying the US president is SUPPOSED to be the best and the brightest) for an example, compare the speech of a Roosevelt (either), Coolidge, or Hoover, vs. a Bush, Øb☭ma, or Trump.
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  227. Anonymous[370] • Disclaimer says:
    @Realist

    Unlike you Fran800 got it right and doesn’t have to cover the nakedness of a wannabe intellectual.
     
    Fran800 comment was made in jest, unlike yours made from stupidity. You are an ignorant little prick.

    This will be my last response to anons or anonymous posters who hide behind a disclaimer....get a pseudonym or get ignored

    Sorry you don’t like anonymous truth tellers who don’t kid themselves pathetically by hiding their anonymity in a boastful pseudonym like Realist. But it is surely reasonable to avoid more than casual contact with a blowhard who claims to have given Anon [236] a “verbal ass kicking some time back” but has had to admit tacitly that it was a bragging lie which he has made no attempt to back up when called on it.

    And to add the demeaning of intellect to your demeaned moral character you add, contrary to your newly announced principle, a second reply to the scornful anonymous commenter!

    You even state with total irrelevance that Fran800′s comment was made in jest when the point was that your ponderous first effort missed what she and the previous Anon comment pointed out, namely that *you hadn’t shown any understanding that Fred’s verbiage was in jest*. Duh.

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  228. Rurik says:
    @Frederick V. Reed
    Anatoly Karlin: "Reed – The US needs to imports tens of millions more Hispanics [insert some boomer strawman argument about how stupid and uninformed Alt Righters are]"

    Karlin appears to be a lock-step thinker who reads what he expects rather than what is written. I have said endlessly that mass immigration was a mistake, that America should close its border and assimilate those immigratnts who cannot be deported. This turns into "Fred wants to import millions...." Where does he get this stuff? It is a sort of illiteracy of the higly literate. And confirms my views of Alt-Righters.

    assimilate those immigratnts who cannot be deported.

    And confirms my views of Alt-Righters.

    perhaps the problem is your assimilation solution

    you advocate blending with the Mexicans by marriage, don’t you?

    and any reluctance to do so, you mock as ‘gas station louts trying to protect their bodily fluids’,

    don’t you?

    but here’s the problem..

    how do you get Mexicans like George Lopez

    to show a romantic interest in American white women like Lana Lokteff

    when, as she points out in the video, Mexicans have no interest in dating ‘flat ass white whores’?!

    so I hope Fred will contemplate this dilemma. Perhaps the solution is butt implants?

    what do you think Fred…

    how can we get Lana and George together to breed that ‘America of the future’ you advocate?!

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    The answer is rape, of course.
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  229. @Colin Wright
    '...White privilege and white supremacy are much more powerful than Affirmative Action in putting stupid, incompetent and unqualified people into position...'

    My experience has definitely been the reverse. It can't be guaranteed, but as a rule, the white or Asian people I encounter are competent at their jobs. The same is true of Hispanics if we're talking about some field unaffected by affirmative action; foreman in a lumber yard, auto repair or carpentry, for example.

    Thanks to affirmative action, blacks are incompetent with astonishing consistency. This isn't to say that they're inherently incompetent; just that they've been usually promoted beyond their level of competence thanks to their skin color. The black who would make a decent bank teller is an incompetent loan officer. The black who could handle being a nurse is an incompetent doctor; while the black who could be a decent custodian is now blowing it as a nurse. The black who could be whatever Apple calls their counter staff in an Apple Store is elevated to store manager -- and promptly makes a hash of every problem that arises. There was even a certain black who always struck me as being about good enough to be a state assemblyman who became President -- and the weakest president we've had since at least Herbert Hoover.

    One learns -- always avoid the black. This isn't a function of racism; I am racist, but I've worked perfectly comfortably with blacks who are in fact competent at their jobs. It's a function of affirmative action; it's like the Peter Principle on drugs. A black will tend to get promoted to a position well beyond his level of competence on the basis of his skin color - and then kept in that position, regardless of his demonstrated ineptitude, because of his skin color.

    AGREED!

    Very good take on that pernicious aspect of Affirmative Action, Mr. Wright.

    May I post this in it’s entirety sometime on Peak Stupidity? (It may be a few days, as I’ve got 4 posts in my head to get to already.)

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    http://video.foxnews.com/v/5793540615001/?#sp=show-clips
    , @Colin Wright
    'May I post this in its entirety...'

    Yes! Feel free. Thanks. Etc.
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  230. @Truth
    http://psych.wisc.edu/braun/281/Intelligence/RisingIQ.htm

    I can see lots of BS just in that little blurb. Scores of people tested at age 65 were compared to those of people test at 25 y/o. It reads like a real bullshit article, Truth. I have read of the Flynn effect right here on iSteve. IQ is not “immutable” as is the quick conclusion, but that doesn’t mean it’s not mostly genetic either. Don’t just cherry-pick on small blurb, Truth. Read a few articles on the Flynn effect, and compare methods and conclusions.

    As to the idea that Americans 100 years ago were borderline retards, anyone believing that has not read a lick of American history. People are definitely on the stupidity side versus their century-ago ancestors, twitter-tweets notwithstanding … actually, twitter-tweets as proof. Just at one level now (and NOT saying the US president is SUPPOSED to be the best and the brightest) for an example, compare the speech of a Roosevelt (either), Coolidge, or Hoover, vs. a Bush, Øb☭ma, or Trump.

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    Excepting half of a a theory is accepting none of it.
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  231. Rurik says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    AGREED!

    Very good take on that pernicious aspect of Affirmative Action, Mr. Wright.

    May I post this in it's entirety sometime on Peak Stupidity? (It may be a few days, as I've got 4 posts in my head to get to already.)
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  232. Harbinger says:
    @Okechukwu
    White privilege and white supremacy are much more powerful than Affirmative Action in putting stupid, incompetent and unqualified people into position. How does a guy like George W. Bush become president of the most powerful country in the world? How about Trump? How far would a black Trump get? I dare say, a black Trump would be working in a dockyard somewhere. Many of the problems we've faced and continue to face are the result of dumb and ignorant whites in positions of power and influence while smarter, more capable and more talented non-whites have systematically been denied access.

    As a matter of observable–if, to many, unwelcome–fact, virtually all of the work in STEM fields (science, technology, engineering, and mathematics) in America is done by whites.
     
    And virtually all the work in STEM fields in Nigeria is done by blacks. So?

    America’s prosperity and place in the world very much depend on invention and excellence in the STEM fields. Boeing sells airliners, and provides jobs to Americans, only because its airliners are technically equal to those of AirBus. A lowering of technical capacity will have unfortunate consequences for the country
     
    America will lose its competitive edge unless it takes advantage of the talents of all its people. Smart people understand this. Just as there were black geniuses toiling away on slave plantations, there are today black geniuses without the means or opportunity to express their genius. It's society's duty to ameliorate the conditions that produce those conditions. Trying to stratify those conditions with justification rooted in idiotic pseudoscientific tripe may play well in cloistered echo-chambers like this, but normal society isn't dumb enough to buy it.

    “White privilege and white supremacy are much more powerful than Affirmative Action in putting stupid, incompetent and unqualified people into position. How does a guy like George W. Bush become president of the most powerful country in the world? How about Trump?”

    I’m frankly amazed that you’ve posed the above questions.
    You think this is ‘white’ privilege? Just what, about the elections of Bush & Trump, did they’re presidency privilege any white people? Although not from the USA, but the UK, I follow America with interest, because it is a world power, having taken over the reigns from my nations. You are clearly mistaking white privilege with Jewish privilege, which along with black and minority privilege, is the only privilege in the USA.

    “How far would a black Trump get? I dare say, a black Trump would be working in a dockyard somewhere.”

    What an utterly preposterous statement. Were there any black Trumps, I can guarantee you, they’d be in office faster than you could say “grab her by the pussy”. And how on earth would a Black Tump, worth billions EVER be working in a dockyard? A black Trump would, oddly enough, be doing what a white Trump would be doing – making money and brown nosing Zionists.

    “Many of the problems we’ve faced and continue to face are the result of dumb and ignorant whites in positions of power and influence while smarter, more capable and more talented non-whites have systematically been denied access.”

    Again, you’re not very knowledgeable on politics are you? Do you truly think the powers that be want hard working, critically thinking individuals working in politics? Do you really think they want people to question their policies? Why do you think Abraham Lincoln never saw the end of the play he was watching? Why do you think that JFK never finished his car journey? People who aspire in the fields of politics are puppets. They are treason committing, yes men, sycophants in positions of power, only to do the bidding of their bosses, who incidentally ARE NOT the millions of people who vote them into power. Ethnicity has nothing whatsoever to with politics. One’s who swears fealty to Chabad Lubavitch and B’nai B’rith does. Don’t believe me?

    Link: Cynthia McKinney: US Lawmakers FORCED to Support Israel!

    “And virtually all the work in STEM fields in Nigeria is done by blacks. So?”

    So why has affirmative action not been introduced in Nigeria for white people? Why, for example, out of a population of nearly 200 million people are there only some 50,000 whites? This makes up around 0.0001% of the population. Take the USA, where the population of blacks makes up some 13% of the population at around 40 odd million. Why, for example don’t we see the immigration of whites into African nations as we do blacks into white? Why don’t we see whites in positions of power as we do blacks in the west? Why, is there no ‘affirmative action’ in Africa?

    You see, it’s really quite simple, black nations are being built up while white nations are destroyed. Israel is behind this plan, or should I correctly state Zionism, as Israel is just a puppet of Rothschild. More and more black immigration is pouring into the west, courtesy of ‘diversity’ which is nothing more than white genocide, with affirmative action being nothing more than black and non white prejudice towards whites.

    Why for example is the sporting world vastly populated by black people who disproportionately represent their racial demographic compared to whites and any other non black ethnicity? Why is there no affirmative action within the sports world for white people?
    This poses an interesting dilemma.
    Why?
    Well if we are to state that blacks are over represented in the sporting world, because they are better, but we don’t acknowledge whites are over represented in academia because they are better then we have clear, cut case of double standards here and more importantly, blatant prejudice towards whites. If you, as you are promoting in your argument are stating that whites are in their positions because of white privilege, then you must also acknowledge that blacks are in their postions in the sporting world because of black privilege. Then again, you could simply realize, as most people with the slightest modicum of common sense do, that people are over represented in any given area, due to their ability at being able to do the job. Women for example are not represented in STEM. Why? It’s because they’d far rather have a career that fits around their life, instead of men whose life fits around their career. And still, feminists cry patriarchal prejudice over women, because there are not enough women in STEM.

    “America will lose its competitive edge unless it takes advantage of the talents of all its people. Smart people understand this.”

    No and your statement clearly proves you’re not that smart.
    America has lost its competitive edge because Zionists have purposefully destroyed US manufacturing, moving industries to China where their utopian, Asian model of how humanity should be is in full practice. To quote George Carlin – “You know what they want? They want obedient workers, people who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork. And just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shitty jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits…..”
    It isn’t just in the US, but happening all over Europe. While the west ships off all its industries to the sweat shops of India and China, paying slave labour wages, while selling the products at continually increasing prices in the west, it ships over non skilled immigrants who drive down wages, increase unemployment, bring about civil chaos and allow more and more minority organizations to spring up (created by Jews) to fight for their rights, which incidentally is nothing more than ‘screw the blue eyed devils’ and destroy their cultures, nations and peoples. We have affirmative action here in the UK too. It’s called positive discrimination, an oxymoron, but nobody seems to notice that, as it would be racist to point it out.

    “Just as there were black geniuses toiling away on slave plantations, there are today black geniuses without the means or opportunity to express their genius.”

    No there were no black geniuses toiling away on slave plantations. You seem to be incredibly good at trying to promote cultural Marxism aren’t you? There were workers on the plantations who hadn’t been a genius at anything, other than picking cotton and other jobs that they did. Leonardo da Vinci was a genius. Mozart was a genius. William Shakespeare was a genius. Nikolai Tesla was a genius…… And do you know why they were geniuses? Their achievements prove their genius.
    There has been no black geniuses in the history of Africa. PERIOD! And yet this large continent has existed for thousands of years. We are told it is the beginning of all humanity, again, more propaganda, from the Jewish controlled academia and msm.
    The simple fact is this. Those blacks who have achieved have done so in WHITE civilizations. There are no geniuses in the fields of science, technology, engineering, maths, literature, arts, music, philosophy, architecture etc remotely comparable to any of those within the white race. Don’t get me wrong, Louis Armstrong, Count Basie, Duke Ellington, Scott Joplin were great artists in music, but nowhere near comparable to the classical musicians of Europe. They have achieved in boxing, athletics, American football, soccer, baseball…etc but then you don’t really need much intelligence to achieve at that, merely the ability to practice and get better. To be good at sports you simply need to push your body to its maximum and some and everyone can achieve this, unless born with a disability to restrict this. And I’m sorry to say that blacks ARE born with a disability to succeed in those establishments outside of sports, music and other entertainments. It’s called IQ. You either have it or you don’t.

    “It’s society’s duty to ameliorate the conditions that produce those conditions.”

    And why is it not happening within most countries outside of the west? Why is it that if it is, it has taken the leading example of the white nations to achieve this? Why is it that Zimbabwe never implemented this philosophy, or South Africa, today that is?

    Look, Okechukwu, you either face reality or you don’t. Black people achieve when they accept white culture and civilization values. When they don’t we have Detroit – a once beautiful city when it was 98% white and now 93% or so black it’s a desolate wasteland, sinking in crime and corruption, not producing generations to be proud of, but instead thugs, prostitutes, rapists and murderers and ironically had millions thrown at it, by the Democrats and allowed blacks to take complete control of the running of it. And it’s failed. And of course, on queue, it’s ‘whitey’s fault’ because of slavery…….

    As to the article, affirmative action is blatant prejudice toward white people and nothing more. You will find millions of qualified white people, for STEM and other industries, working in low paid jobs, courtesy of being passed over for the positions they sought, because of ‘affirmative action’. Here in the UK, the BBC, now employs minorities, turning down white people for jobs within. It is nothing more than white race, hating, propaganda outlet for the equally white hating politicians in Westminster. The fact that you are incapable of seeing the blatant hatred towards white people being implemented today, show that instead of part of the solution, you are clearly part of the problem.

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    You think this is ‘white’ privilege? Just what, about the elections of Bush & Trump, did they’re presidency privilege any white people?
     
    You're missing the point entirely. The point is that a black man with the same intellectual capacity and innumerable failings of Bush or Trump would never have gotten to first base in the first place, never mind rounding third and sliding into the presidency. That black man would've reached the apex of his competency at school janitor or possibly drug store manager. He wouldn't have had the family connections or generational wealth or artificially unbalanced playing field that would allow him to transcend his severe limitations.

    Again, you’re not very knowledgeable on politics are you? Do you truly think the powers that be want hard working, critically thinking individuals working in politics? Do you really think they want people to question their policies? Why do you think Abraham Lincoln never saw the end of the play he was watching? Why do you think that JFK never finished his car journey? People who aspire in the fields of politics are puppets.
     
    You'll find that I'm much more knowledgeable than you. Let's dispense with the conspiracist Jew under every bed bullshit. Jews don't go into the voting booth to tell people how to vote. If people are swayed to voting patterns that enhance Jewish power to their own detriment, we ought to credit the stupidity of the voter and not some dark machinations of the Jews. Speaking of which, we have a vast horde of millions of dumb, uneducated, uniformed and profoundly ignorant white voters who time after time burden the world with American politicians who clearly are unfit and often pose an existential threat to the world. Given America's hyper-power status, it appears that the fate of the world resides in the hands of the so-called white working class voter who probably can't locate his own state on a map of the United States.

    What was so special about JFK, by the way? Are you suggesting he was some sort of transformational figure? Well he wasn't. A black JFK would, at best, be driving a bus for a living. Lincoln I get. But JFK?

    So why has affirmative action not been introduced in Nigeria for white people?
     
    Because they don't need it. They live like kings there. Don't ask stupid questions.

    Why, for example, out of a population of nearly 200 million people are there only some 50,000 whites
     
    Whites are not banned from Nigeria.

    Take the USA, where the population of blacks makes up some 13% of the population at around 40 odd million. Why, for example don’t we see the immigration of whites into African nations as we do blacks into white? Why don’t we see whites in positions of power as we do blacks in the west? Why, is there no ‘affirmative action’ in Africa?
     
    Jesus, and you think I'm dumb? You're a prime example of the blithering white idiots I mentioned in my previous post.

    You see, it’s really quite simple, black nations are being built up while white nations are destroyed.
     
    My god, you're an idiot.

    Well if we are to state that blacks are over represented in the sporting world, because they are better, but we don’t acknowledge whites are over represented in academia because they are better then we have clear, cut case of double standards here and more importantly, blatant prejudice towards whites.
     
    Blacks are not over-represented in sports. There is more to sports than football and basketball. Besides, sporting excellence and intellectual acuity are not mutually exclusive. If I could take off from the freethrow line and dunk a basketball, I would still be smarter than you.

    No there were no black geniuses toiling away on slave plantations.
     
    You know this how? Funny how black geniuses suddenly emerged with the abolition of slavery, even amidst withering racism post-slavery. People like Granville Woods and Elijah McCoy among many others. There were even black slave geniuses:

    With Patents or Without, Black Inventors Reshaped American Industry

    American slaves couldn’t hold property, including patents on their own inventions. But that didn’t stop black Americans from innovating in our country

    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/with-patents-or-without-black-inventors-reshaped-american-industry-180962201/

    There has been no black geniuses in the history of Africa. PERIOD!
     
    Name some geniuses in barbarian Briton or barbarian Germany or barbarian France or barbarian Scandinavia. You can't, can you? Genius going unrealized or unrecognized or unacknowledged is not the same as not existing. And speaking of genius, you definitely aren't one. The problem we're having here is that you may be too stupid for this discussion.

    And why is it not happening within most countries outside of the west? Why is it that if it is, it has taken the leading example of the white nations to achieve this? Why is it that Zimbabwe never implemented this philosophy, or South Africa, today that is?
     
    Who says it isn't? Most countries strive for this. Zimbabwe and South Africa certainly are. The whole idea behind reclaiming land and resources stolen by white colonialists is to make sure that all citizens have a fair chance to actualize their potential. Immediately after overthrowing the Rhodesian scumbags, Mugabe set about to provide an education to all the citizens of that country. Consequently, Zimbabwe now has a literacy rate of 90%. He then broke up the ill-gotten lands (some of which were the size of small cities) so that those lands could be distributed to landless blacks.

    Black people achieve when they accept white culture and civilization values.
     
    Nope. Black people should do what's in their best interests and that comport with their values. Some "white values" are worthy of emulation. Others represent the dregs of the sewer and are to be avoided at all costs.

    As to the article, affirmative action is blatant prejudice toward white people and nothing more.
     
    But white people are the prime beneficiaries of Affirmative Action, dummy, via white women:

    Affirmative Action Has Helped White Women More Than Anyone

    Their successes make the case not for abandoning affirmative action but for continuing it

    http://ideas.time.com/2013/06/17/affirmative-action-has-helped-white-women-more-than-anyone/

    The average white man on this site has gained far more from Affirmative Action than I have.

    You will find millions of qualified white people, for STEM and other industries, working in low paid jobs, courtesy of being passed over for the positions they sought, because of ‘affirmative action’.
     
    No you won't. What you will find are white people too lazy or too unwilling to undergo the arduous academic career necessary for those fields. Also realize that STEM careers don't always pay well and many white people are looking for the quick hit for big money with the least amount of time spent in school as possible. My wife makes $45K a year as a Post-Doctoral Fellow. Yet I have employees with a only a high-school diploma who make six figures. Even my assistant makes more than my wife and she only has one year of college.
    , @Them Guys
    Perhaps most African blacks Everywhere they exist also have, besides very Low IQ on Avg, also have one more uniqueness that NO other race has, except of course for those who Mate and race mix with African blacks. Which would be the DNA mixture within African blacks of, either a Chimp, or Ape, Or Baboon...Or a mixture of two or more of that animal DNA.


    I'd wager that actual solid proof of such Ape, Baboon and Chimp DNA has been found by competent scientists in that field by now eh....But same as most any other issue today, said DNA Experts are likely in great Fear of total job loss as well as all forms research grant $$$$ casholas, and the usual typical jewish org smear job to stifle, silence, and fully destroy any and all such experts if any dared go public with such important info.


    Al Sharpton's sneaker shoes soles would get set on fire, along with his nappy hair in flames as he raced to the first TV crews cameras and Mic in order to slander such experts who dared go public.


    ADL & SPLC likewise would send an entire jewish goon squad of commie feminists and fags and dykes to their homes for 24/7 mass protest/Riots!


    And finally, African negros nationwide in EVERY medium and large city would go bezerko with Lootings and Riotings, ending with totally burning down, all those fanatical rabid militant negros were unable to rob, steal, or wreck & ruin....Basically it would make Detroits 1968 Riots of ground zero for savage negro take over of white cities look like childs play.


    And there is no denying this when an honest unbiased observation to compare a typical negro with, say, the monkey/ape/gorilla/chimp/baboon exhibits at the Detroit ZOO where each monkey type named are kept in nice cages right in a row, or very close proximity to each example of the several monkey types at that Zoo, is done...And to really cap off your Zoo negro monkey dna comparison experiment, take a ride from Woodward Ave. and 10-Mile road, where said Zoo is located, on a Detroit Public Buss.


    The buss ride from the Zoo to downtown Detroit is about 10 miles, long enough for the buss to gradually fill up with more, and more African negros. Then note how not only do African negros Look like, and even Act so much like a Real ape etc. They even emit the almost exact same stench as noticed when sitting on the bench across from those Zoo cages where the various monkey/baboon/ape types are kept within...It is uncanny the true resemblance I swear!


    And keep in mind as stated prior, NO other race of group of people have All these markers present, other than those mud shark coal burners' offspring due to now they too inherit same DNA from the African daddy or mammy. Sooner or later some daring scientist dna expert with zero left to lose, Is going to go public with such DNA proof, if such does exist and so far I am 99% certain it does based upon 55 of my 65 years of lifetime observations, and especially my First 43 years of life dwelling in Detroit being in almost Daily Coontact with said Suspooks!
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  233. @Colin Wright
    '...White privilege and white supremacy are much more powerful than Affirmative Action in putting stupid, incompetent and unqualified people into position...'

    My experience has definitely been the reverse. It can't be guaranteed, but as a rule, the white or Asian people I encounter are competent at their jobs. The same is true of Hispanics if we're talking about some field unaffected by affirmative action; foreman in a lumber yard, auto repair or carpentry, for example.

    Thanks to affirmative action, blacks are incompetent with astonishing consistency. This isn't to say that they're inherently incompetent; just that they've been usually promoted beyond their level of competence thanks to their skin color. The black who would make a decent bank teller is an incompetent loan officer. The black who could handle being a nurse is an incompetent doctor; while the black who could be a decent custodian is now blowing it as a nurse. The black who could be whatever Apple calls their counter staff in an Apple Store is elevated to store manager -- and promptly makes a hash of every problem that arises. There was even a certain black who always struck me as being about good enough to be a state assemblyman who became President -- and the weakest president we've had since at least Herbert Hoover.

    One learns -- always avoid the black. This isn't a function of racism; I am racist, but I've worked perfectly comfortably with blacks who are in fact competent at their jobs. It's a function of affirmative action; it's like the Peter Principle on drugs. A black will tend to get promoted to a position well beyond his level of competence on the basis of his skin color - and then kept in that position, regardless of his demonstrated ineptitude, because of his skin color.

    My experience has definitely been the reverse. It can’t be guaranteed, but as a rule, the white or Asian people I encounter are competent at their jobs. The same is true of Hispanics if we’re talking about some field unaffected by affirmative action; foreman in a lumber yard, auto repair or carpentry, for example.

    The failure — the absolute failure — of Affirmative Action — is that it has established itself as a determining factor, in the minds of negros, assuring them of employment, despite all demonstration of incompetence. Thus, “merit” never enters the equation, as negros know they will get gubmint and corporate jobs, regardless.

    The net effect has been to make negros even more shiftless, and less achievement-oriented, than ever before. That is, AA has achieved the exact opposite of what was intended.

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    'The failure — the absolute failure — of Affirmative Action — is that it has established itself as a determining factor...'

    I agree -- although I'm somewhat more sympathetic to blacks than one might think.

    First, they can't enjoy being put into jobs they can't perform properly -- and in fact, thinking back on it, the black doctors, store managers, etc I crossed swords with were conspicuously defensive. Think about it; how would you feel about being bumped too far upstairs? Would you really say 'no thanks -- I'll just take a 20k pay cut and go back to what I was doing before?'

    No, you'd probably stick it out -- but you wouldn't have a good time. No one likes doing lousy work.

    Second, when I think about it, I often find blacks perfectly alright -- if I'm dealing with them as they are. They've even been my boss, and that's been mighty fine -- if they can do the job. It's when I have to participate in some fantasy that they know what they're doing when they obviously don't that I go ballistic.

    This isn't to say that absent affirmative action that everything would be just mighty fine when it comes to blacks -- I've got some history here, and those aren't my sentiments at all. It's just that affirmative action makes it all so much worse.
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  234. Truth says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    I can see lots of BS just in that little blurb. Scores of people tested at age 65 were compared to those of people test at 25 y/o. It reads like a real bullshit article, Truth. I have read of the Flynn effect right here on iSteve. IQ is not "immutable" as is the quick conclusion, but that doesn't mean it's not mostly genetic either. Don't just cherry-pick on small blurb, Truth. Read a few articles on the Flynn effect, and compare methods and conclusions.

    As to the idea that Americans 100 years ago were borderline retards, anyone believing that has not read a lick of American history. People are definitely on the stupidity side versus their century-ago ancestors, twitter-tweets notwithstanding ... actually, twitter-tweets as proof. Just at one level now (and NOT saying the US president is SUPPOSED to be the best and the brightest) for an example, compare the speech of a Roosevelt (either), Coolidge, or Hoover, vs. a Bush, Øb☭ma, or Trump.

    Excepting half of a a theory is accepting none of it.

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    Excepting [sic] half of a a theory is accepting none of it.
     
    That's a new one. The effect gives neither a 30 pt. rise in Americans' nor immigrants' intelligence over the last century. The Flynn effect may have some validity, but not the crazy amount that you and Crimson pulled out of your asses.
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  235. @Herman
    Are you guys men or girlie men with your snarky remarks? What a couple of self-satisfied imbeciles.

    I think they are a bunch of faggy SJWs.

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  236. @Rurik

    assimilate those immigratnts who cannot be deported.
     

    And confirms my views of Alt-Righters.
     
    perhaps the problem is your assimilation solution

    you advocate blending with the Mexicans by marriage, don't you?

    and any reluctance to do so, you mock as 'gas station louts trying to protect their bodily fluids',

    don't you?

    but here's the problem..

    how do you get Mexicans like George Lopez

    https://www.nettv4u.com/uploads/george-donates-funds-to-princers-family..png

    to show a romantic interest in American white women like Lana Lokteff

    https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/mFlJGk31TWN32bXctJ82rgtPwiw=/0x0:1578x828/1200x800/filters:focal(592x259:844x511)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/56727059/Lokteff.0.png

    when, as she points out in the video, Mexicans have no interest in dating 'flat ass white whores'?!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5DqTJz9zFk

    so I hope Fred will contemplate this dilemma. Perhaps the solution is butt implants?

    what do you think Fred...

    how can we get Lana and George together to breed that 'America of the future' you advocate?!

    The answer is rape, of course.

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  237. @Achmed E. Newman
    AGREED!

    Very good take on that pernicious aspect of Affirmative Action, Mr. Wright.

    May I post this in it's entirety sometime on Peak Stupidity? (It may be a few days, as I've got 4 posts in my head to get to already.)

    ‘May I post this in its entirety…’

    Yes! Feel free. Thanks. Etc.

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  238. Harbinger says:

    Interestingly enough, should anyone care to watch the movie American History X you’ll find blatant affirmative action within, which led to the firing of the main character played by Edward Norton’s father’s two work colleagues in favour of two blacks. He complained at the breakfast table to the family stating that in doing so, people’s lives were at risk, not just those in burning buildings but work colleagues due to incompetency and not skilled at the job. This is the main part of the film where the main character stated later, this was when the racism began.

    This is Hollywood at its best when indoctrinating the public. It officially told them, in that one film: _”there is absolutely nothing wrong with giving black people jobs over white people when they don’t have the necessary qualification and skills to do that job, regardless whether people’s lives are at risk.”_

    And no one EVER comments on this blatant piece of Hollywood propaganda. The whole film, other than that was a celebration of black criminality over white people and any white who defended himself was a racist.
    It is an utterly disgusting piece of propaganda, but then isn’t all?

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  239. res says:
    @myself
    Well, I think the stereotype among mainland Chinese goes like this:

    The best and most talented stay at home to attend top-tier institutions, second-best go to school in North America, Europe and Australia, and the level below that attend science and engineering universities in developed Asia (Singapore, South Korea, Japan etc).

    For whatever reason, Chinese are now beginning to trust the quality of their own schools.

    Barring being qualified to attend a good program at home, places like Germany, the US, Britain and France continue to command respect among Chinese.

    Singaporean, South Korean and Japanese institutions are considered (by mainlanders) to be rigorous and well-resourced, but extremely rigid and stifling in terms of creativity and originality (even in comparison to schools in China, which is saying something).

    The best and most talented stay at home to attend top-tier institutions, second-best go to school in North America, Europe and Australia, and the level below that attend science and engineering universities in developed Asia (Singapore, South Korea, Japan etc).

    How does that break down between undergrad and graduate school? Are the best Chinese staying home for both?

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    As far as I know, at this point in time, YES - both undergrad and grad school. And especially true of students in the hard, technical - "objective", if you will - fields.

    The people going abroad to study are still very high caliber even today, just not the very best in China.

    This is, so I have been told, a quite new phenomenon. Until very recently, say a decade ago, the students who went to the developed world for study WERE perhaps some of the very best.

    But a few years ago, the mainlanders started to realize that 1st-tier schools in China had, quietly and without fanfare, very sharply raised their quality of instruction.

    There is no question that mainland Chinese students will continue to go to the developed world for study for quite some time. The story of the ascent to world-class status of the Chinese university system will take time to play out.
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  240. @manorchurch

    My experience has definitely been the reverse. It can’t be guaranteed, but as a rule, the white or Asian people I encounter are competent at their jobs. The same is true of Hispanics if we’re talking about some field unaffected by affirmative action; foreman in a lumber yard, auto repair or carpentry, for example.
     
    The failure -- the absolute failure -- of Affirmative Action -- is that it has established itself as a determining factor, in the minds of negros, assuring them of employment, despite all demonstration of incompetence. Thus, "merit" never enters the equation, as negros know they will get gubmint and corporate jobs, regardless.

    The net effect has been to make negros even more shiftless, and less achievement-oriented, than ever before. That is, AA has achieved the exact opposite of what was intended.

    ‘The failure — the absolute failure — of Affirmative Action — is that it has established itself as a determining factor…’

    I agree — although I’m somewhat more sympathetic to blacks than one might think.

    First, they can’t enjoy being put into jobs they can’t perform properly — and in fact, thinking back on it, the black doctors, store managers, etc I crossed swords with were conspicuously defensive. Think about it; how would you feel about being bumped too far upstairs? Would you really say ‘no thanks — I’ll just take a 20k pay cut and go back to what I was doing before?’

    No, you’d probably stick it out — but you wouldn’t have a good time. No one likes doing lousy work.

    Second, when I think about it, I often find blacks perfectly alright — if I’m dealing with them as they are. They’ve even been my boss, and that’s been mighty fine — if they can do the job. It’s when I have to participate in some fantasy that they know what they’re doing when they obviously don’t that I go ballistic.

    This isn’t to say that absent affirmative action that everything would be just mighty fine when it comes to blacks — I’ve got some history here, and those aren’t my sentiments at all. It’s just that affirmative action makes it all so much worse.

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  241. @Truth
    Excepting half of a a theory is accepting none of it.

    Excepting [sic] half of a a theory is accepting none of it.

    That’s a new one. The effect gives neither a 30 pt. rise in Americans’ nor immigrants’ intelligence over the last century. The Flynn effect may have some validity, but not the crazy amount that you and Crimson pulled out of your asses.

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    ...My ass is a Silicon Valley server farm...

    http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1745691615577701

    https://www.theatlas.com/charts/BkbWZ3ODg
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  242. Sunbeam says:
    @Dr. Doom
    China has no sense of honor. Their business is China. Their bank is Chinese. The Rothschild Monopoly is hitting the Great Wall of "you not Chinese muthafucka". They sell missiles to Iran. They make deals with Russia.

    IS IT GOOD FOR CHINA?

    Chinese keep agreements as long as it BENEFITS THEM. After that. Poof!
    No contract exists.
    Sure there are tribe there. Not enough.
    They don't call them the "Jews" of Asia for NOTHING.

    THE WHITE MAN CAN LEARN SOMETHING FROM CHINA.

    Loss of habitat, and Anti-White lawfare. The ethnic scattering of Whites was due to their success.
    Watch it go away when the old lesson comes into play.
    THE COMMON THREAT TO ALL.

    EXCELLENT. Not the Roman Legions. Not the Empires. Not the Economic Ties.
    It didn't bring all the Whites into ONE HOUSE.

    You'd be AMAZED what a COMMON THREAT TO ALL CAN DO.

    HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE, BATMAN!!!

    “China has no sense of honor. Their business is China. Their bank is Chinese. The Rothschild Monopoly is hitting the Great Wall of “you not Chinese muthafucka”. They sell missiles to Iran. They make deals with Russia.

    IS IT GOOD FOR CHINA?”

    There is a whole series of posts someone could make analyzing this issue, and what it could mean down the road.

    Instead we are gonna talk about Mexicans.

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  243. Okechukwu says:
    @Colin Wright
    '...White privilege and white supremacy are much more powerful than Affirmative Action in putting stupid, incompetent and unqualified people into position...'

    My experience has definitely been the reverse. It can't be guaranteed, but as a rule, the white or Asian people I encounter are competent at their jobs. The same is true of Hispanics if we're talking about some field unaffected by affirmative action; foreman in a lumber yard, auto repair or carpentry, for example.

    Thanks to affirmative action, blacks are incompetent with astonishing consistency. This isn't to say that they're inherently incompetent; just that they've been usually promoted beyond their level of competence thanks to their skin color. The black who would make a decent bank teller is an incompetent loan officer. The black who could handle being a nurse is an incompetent doctor; while the black who could be a decent custodian is now blowing it as a nurse. The black who could be whatever Apple calls their counter staff in an Apple Store is elevated to store manager -- and promptly makes a hash of every problem that arises. There was even a certain black who always struck me as being about good enough to be a state assemblyman who became President -- and the weakest president we've had since at least Herbert Hoover.

    One learns -- always avoid the black. This isn't a function of racism; I am racist, but I've worked perfectly comfortably with blacks who are in fact competent at their jobs. It's a function of affirmative action; it's like the Peter Principle on drugs. A black will tend to get promoted to a position well beyond his level of competence on the basis of his skin color - and then kept in that position, regardless of his demonstrated ineptitude, because of his skin color.

    My experience has definitely been the reverse. It can’t be guaranteed, but as a rule, the white or Asian people I encounter are competent at their jobs. The same is true of Hispanics if we’re talking about some field unaffected by affirmative action; foreman in a lumber yard, auto repair or carpentry, for example.

    We all have our experiences and anecdotes. I’ve encountered whites and Asians who were too stupid for words and thoroughly incompetent in their positions. You’re saying with a straight face that institutionalized advantage hasn’t put blithering idiot whites into positions that could otherwise be filled by more competent blacks? I know there used to be a saying among blacks that they had to be twice as good as whites, and often they were.

    Hispanic isn’t even a race. And Affirmative Action isn’t a black thing, asi the prime beneficiaries have been white women and white men by extension.

    Thanks to affirmative action, blacks are incompetent with astonishing consistency. This isn’t to say that they’re inherently incompetent; just that they’ve been usually promoted beyond their level of competence thanks to their skin color.

    The world is overrun by dumb whites who make decisions that impact all of our lives. They get there through legacy family connections, good old boy networks and a system that systematically casts a very narrow net that doesn’t encompass a wider array of talent that would otherwise bring much needed brain power to the equation. How many dumb whites are there in banking or Wall Street or in high level government positions? How many dumb whites are on Unz flapping their gums about IQ? Dumb whites are as countless as the stars.

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    "The world is overrun by dumb whites who make decisions that impact all of our lives. They get there through legacy family connections, good old boy networks and a system that systematically casts a very narrow net that doesn’t encompass a wider array of talent that would otherwise bring much needed brain power to the equation. How many dumb whites are there in banking or Wall Street or in high level government positions? "

    Yeah, you're probably right.

    It's pretty obvious that you'd do better if you could avoid all that stuff.

    Hey! I got it.

    If you MOVE to a non-white country there'll be none of that. And you will be so happy.

    So when you going to move to Liberia? Hearing good things about South Africa (blacks call the shots there, got to be Wakanda)?
    , @Harbinger

    "The world is overrun by dumb whites who make decisions that impact all of our lives. They get there through legacy family connections, good old boy networks and a system that systematically casts a very narrow net that doesn’t encompass a wider array of talent that would otherwise bring much needed brain power to the equation. How many dumb whites are there in banking or Wall Street or in high level government positions? How many dumb whites are on Unz flapping their gums about IQ? Dumb whites are as countless as the stars."
     
    I concur with Sunbeam fully.

    Why do you stay within white society and civilization?
    Why do you not move back to Africa, to live amongst your ancestral culture and your own people?
    Why is it you persist to live among white people?

    Of course, all are rhetorical questions. It is clear to anyone just w