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Methinks the insane hysteria over Russia needs to stop. It probably will not. For reasons of domestic and imperial politics the American public is again being manipulated into a war frenzy by Washington and New York. It is stupid, without justification, and dangerous.

The silliness over Russia is, obviously, part of the Establishment’s drive to get rid of Trump. Yes, the man is erratic, contradictory, shoots before he aims, backs off much of what he has promised, and may be unqualified as President–but that is not why Washington and New York want to get rid of him. It is about money and power, as is everything in the United States. Wall Street, the Pentagon, the Neocons, and the Empire run America. Trump has threatened their rice bowls.


He has threatened to cut the F-35, a huge blow to Lockheed-Martin and hundreds of subcontractors; to pull US troops out of South Korea, a blow to the Empire; to end the wars, a blow both to the Empire and the military industry getting rich from them; to pull troops out of Okinawa, crippling the Empire in the Pacific; to start a trade war with China with a forty-five percent tariff of Chinese goods, threatening American corporations with factories there; and to chase out illegal immigrants, an important source of cheap labor to businesses. He has called NATO “obsolete,” when leaving it would be the death knell of the Empire; and threatened to establish good relations with Russia, when the lack of a European enemy would leave NATO even more obviously unnecessary.

Thus New York and its branch operation in Washington resuscitate Russia as a bugbear to terrify the rubes,meaning most of the public. Money. Power. Empire.

What sense does this make–apart from money and power? Russia is an economically challenged nation of 145 million, less than half of Europe’s population and much less than half of America’s. Its economy is a small fraction of the combined economies of Europe and America. It is not on a war footing. It is not moving forces into position for an invasion. It is not mobilizing. To satellite photography, to NSA these things would be as obvious as leprosy on a prom queen. The Establishment would be screaming to high heaven if there were the slightest trace of preparation for war. The whole business is manufactured.

I frequently see the assertion that Russia “hacked” voting machines to give the election to President Trump. The majority who are excited about this, I suspect the very great majority, have not the foggiest idea what they are talking about. Hacking to most people means something they saw in a movie, with some bright kid going clickety-click-click on a laptop and penetrating NORAD. It is a vague menace lacking specific content. To them I would say:

If you cannot program in assembly language, you do not know how computers work. If you do not know TCP/IP from DHCP, you do not know how the internet works. If you cannot tell a dictionary attack from stack overflow, you don’t have a housefly’s idea how hacking works. If you have not investigated the various kinds of voting machines to see what would be involved in changing their vote totals, you probably ought to take up stamp collecting.

This is all orchestrated. So is the constant Putin bashing. His sin of course is that he doesn’t knuckle under to Washington. It is also the sin of Iran, China, Cuba, and North Korea.

The con is often silly. From time to time we see screaming headlines headlines, RUSSIAN BOMBER FLIES OFF AMERICAN COAST! Or somebody’s coast. Recently it was A SPY SHIP! The “bomber” is usually a Tu-95 Bear (NATO designation), an ancient four-engine prop job, though a beautiful aircraft, converted for reconnaissance. The idea that Moscow would send one lumbering plane to bomb America is too stupid–well, no, nothing is too stupid.

Tu-95. First flew in 1952. Yes, it can carry nuclear weapons. So can a Volkswagen Jetta.

Tu-95. First flew in 1952. Yes, it can carry nuclear weapons. So can a Volkswagen Jetta.

Then there is the assertion that Russia hacked the DNC and gave its emails to Wikileaks. This is possible, but how would we know? (And would not revealing misbehavior be a service to the voting public?) Note that many people had an incentive to do it, from disgruntled Democratic insiders to anyone who stood to lose by Hillary’s election or gain by Trump’s, to the Trump campaign itself, to the many talented freelancers who just enjoy raising hell. Maybe .1 percent of the population, certainly not including me, have the expertise and access even to guess intelligently.

If you believe same intel agencies that lied us into Vietnam and Iraq, and that apparently are very much involved in anti-Trumpian machinations, you are the Establishment’s ideal citizen. For political reasons, specifically hostility to Trump, they will say anything that suits their purposes. and only inadvertently include the truth. If this seems an extreme claim, reflect:

In 1964 the CIA was running various kinds of attacks against North Vietnam, without admitting it. Two intelligence vessels, the Maddox and the Turner Joy, claimed that they had been fired upon by the North. They had not, and if they had been it would not have been unreasonable since the United States was inserting teams of saboteurs into the north. The result, and intention, was to chivy America into wars which devastated three countries and lead to millions of deaths. It worked.

After Nine Eleven, the government, using the intel outfits, deliberately led most of the public to believe that Iraq was developing the dread WMD, and thus get the United States to attack for the benefit of the oil industry, Israel, and the imperial lobby. It was nonsense and Washington had to know it. At the time Iraq was probably the most watched real estate on the planet. The result was destruction of an innocent country and the bloody mess that is now the Middle East. Which, note, had nothing to do with the interests of the United States or the well-being of its people.

All of America’s wars are for the benefit of others than Americans. Do you think you would be made better off by a war with Russia? China? Does the unending butchery in Afghanistan improve your life? Would you feel more secure if NATO–Washington’s puppet troupe–had bases in Montenegro? Wherever the hell that is?

The same game is now being played with Russia. Almost daily we read that Washington is sending troops to Poland, Bulgaria, Norway to confront the Russians, who are doing nothing that needs confronting.

“US to Send 1,000 Troops to Poland to ‘Deter Russia”’

Deter it from what?

This morning: “Germany Will Sends Tank to Russian Border.”

A recent move was to send naval forces to the Black Sea, which is not America’s concern. What, precisely, are those ships supposed to do? Steam fiercely in circles, bowwow-grrr-woof? Do they have a purpose other than domestic American consumption? Are they to attack something, defend something in danger of attack, forbid the Russians to do–what?

Russia is not going to invade Europe, and Washington knows it perfectly well, so why put tiny combat forces on its frontiers? If there is going to be a deliberate war, Washington is going to have to start it. Attacking Russia with minor forces, or at all, is probably an idea nuttier than even Washington can invent. One hopes that Europe would not allow Americans to do what they usually does, get others to fight its wars in other people’s countries.

The danger with letting pasty neocons in New York play with military forces is that brinksmanship, fun for fern-bar Napoleons, can have not-fun consequences. If Washington puts naval forces in Russian waters in the Black Sea, the Russians will feel compelled to shadow the ships, to keep fighters flying overhead. A mistake occurs–mistakes do occur–and one side downs a plane belonging to the other. The wounded side feels obliged to respond. We have a shooting war. In closed waters bordering Russia, the US Navy would not win. Washington would then feel that it had to defend its ego by expanding the war. Wounded ego is important to the vast combative vanities who so often rise to power.

And there is no way to rein in these lunatics. They send the military where they like, attack whoever they choose, and we read about it after it has been done. One could almost wish we had constitutional government.

But I dream.

Fred can be reached at [email protected] Put the letters “pdq” somewhere in the subject line to avoid heartless autodeletion. Apologies for inability to reply due to volume.

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  1. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website

    Tu-95. First flew in 1952. Yes, it can carry nuclear weapons. So can a Volkswagen Jetta.

    No Fred, Volkswagen Jetta or, for that matter, a much larger school bus can not carry stealthy X-101 (conventional) or X-102 (nuclear) with “TERCOM”, GLONASS and inertial guidance (there are rumors that celestial correction is also there, I don’t know), cruise missiles with the range of 5500+ kilometers. Ancient TU-95 CAN. In fact it carries 8 of those on the outside pylons and it also carries modern computers for targeting and flight path program. It is an old platform (same as B-52) but it carries a very modern and an extremely capable weapon. Here is the Old Bear getting ready to fly with its X-101 load.

    Cruise missiles with the ranges of over 10 000 km are coming on-line soon. So, no need to leave well-protected Russia’s air space at all. Hence a lot of hysteria in NYC and D.C. US lost the “edge” (often self-proclaimed) with its long-range stand-off weapons long ago (recall how fast everything was done to bound by treaty RK-55 Granat, especially its submarine version) in 1980s. It is a complex issue here, it is not just the Empire staff, it is rather of the Empire being shown what can be done conventionally (I underscore this–conventionally) to it that created such a reaction. All efforts on de-nuclearization of the warfare in the last 25 years basically have been wasted. Now recall what waited those houses of the Landsraad which used nuclear weapons in Dune’s universe. Russia’s 2015 edition of Military Doctrine is quite explicit with Russia’s military and political top speaking constantly (including two days ago) about conventional weapons becoming the backbone of Russia’s strategic containment of NATO.

    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    , @denjae
  2. And there is no way to rein in these lunatics.

    Well, they are no lunatics. It’s not as if the inmates accidentally took over and are now running the asylum, and all you need to do to fix it is catching and locking them up again.

    This is a systemic failure.

  3. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @Mao Cheng Ji

    they are no lunatics

    Many are. Especially those who never served a day in their life–they don’t have a concept of warfare at all. US in general is not conditioned by warfare with all of its “fun” stuff like being burned, blown to pieces, loss of closest and dearest, loss of property. 911, however spectacular and the largest terrorist act in history, mentally destroyed the United States as the history of the last 15+ years is an ample empirical evidence of that.

    • Replies: @Mao Cheng Ji
    , @mtn cur
    , @Ace
  4. @Andrei Martyanov

    It seems to me that any Russian desire or preparation to contain NATO is eminently justified. The fact that Russian cruise missiles or other stand-off weapons can strike the U.K. or France might just get saner people to either influence the U.S. to stop provoking Russia, or to withdraw from NATO, as France once did (at least from the command structure) and as Marine Le Pen has suggested. That might be a wake up call to even the American people that their leadership does not have their best intersts at heart and is leading them to destruction.

    Fred’s characterization of U.S. policy as pointlessly demonizing Russia and Vladimir Putin is largely accurate even if he may not be current on every aspect of Russian military aerospace technology and capabilities.

    The TU-95 is truly an extraordinary aircraft. I’ve heard it’s about the noisiest thing in the sky, however.

  5. @Andrei Martyanov

    Many are.

    If many are, then this would still be a systemic failure, pulling lunatics into positions of influence everywhere: in politics, media, business, military, intelligence – the most powerful institutions.

    But I doubt they are lunatics. They are just cogs in the machine, who may not even like doing what they do, but to resist and ruin one’s career would require too much courage. And if you do, the next day someone else would take your place anyway. So, it makes more sense to practice self-delusion and have a nice life. It’s the system, man. And so far it doesn’t look like the Donald is capable of breaking it…

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    , @animalogic
  6. denjae says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    VW Jetta?

    Six dudes with back-packs could make a long-term mess of any metro area.

    For example, see

    “US scientists with a full-scale cut-away model of the W48 155-millimeter nuclear artillery shell, a very small tactical nuclear weapon with an explosive yield equivalent to 72 tons of TNT (0.072 kiloton). It could be fired from any standard 155 mm (6.1 inch) howitzer (e.g., the M114 or M198)”

    Helped to manufacture hundreds similar to these during the 1960’s. And a Russian scientist-spy was even discovered to have been working at the Q-cleared site (years before, but what the heck?!?)

    • Replies: @mtn cur
  7. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @Diversity Heretic

    Fred’s characterization of U.S. policy as pointlessly demonizing Russia and Vladimir Putin is largely accurate even if he may not be current on every aspect of Russian military aerospace technology and capabilities.

    But that is my point that it is not pointless when one considers, admittedly very complex, combination of factors influencing US actions and ideas over the last 30 or so years. I am not the only one who talks about it. Many US military professionals started talking about it recently, some talk about it for decades, such as Colonel Douglass McGregor. Most people will go berserk when their favorite myths are destroyed. US lacks and always lacked, among those professing themselves all-knowing intellectuals and politicos, understanding of the nature of military power and of its application. Hence there was always this mantra of “US has the greatest military in the world”, which, as cold hard facts testify to didn’t win a single war since 1950. The whole idea of de-nuclearization of the warfare came from the US in 1990s based on, very false, sense of conventional superiority. Not everything could be fitted in popular, albeit correct, cliche of MIC stirring troubles just for profits, there is much more to it than just that. One of the major factors, if not THE most important factor, is that in the last 36 months it was demonstrated why US can not defeat Russia conventionally in her vicinity (forget Russia proper). That is why such a hysteria. If US can not defeat conventionally Russia, China (a preposterous idea to fight a nation with a decent military and immediate mobilization potential of about 25 million young men), Iran (albeit for a separate reasons)–what’s left of a super-pooper, hyper, best military in the world? Police action against third-fourth world shitholes? For slime bags such as Robert Kagan or any other neocon “military thinker” it was such a nice reality when they felt safe in their neck of the woods. Well, guess what–not anymore, and for a long time. But here we get to the “Russian Studies” field which in US is a wasteland ranging from military, to economic, to cultural, to history issues. People do not like to be proven wrong, especially when they are proven wrong on the host of issues where they thought to be masters in a very dramatic fashion, from 08-08-08 to modern Syria, to Russia’s economy “being in tatters”.

    The TU-95 is truly an extraordinary aircraft. I’ve heard it’s about the noisiest thing in the sky, however.

    TU-95 is a loudest SOB out there–it roars. B-52 also is a legend in its own right, considering the length of its service. A really tough bomber. In Russia TU-160M2 is coming–visually similar to good ol’ TU-160, in reality a completely new plane.

    • Agree: Jim Christian
    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    , @dearieme
  8. @Mao Cheng Ji

    There are times when normal operation is lunacy. And I agree with SmoothieX12 further, there is an not insignificant number of true ideologues in power who commit to their ideology in ways that genuinely insane. They have sufficiently isolated themselves in bubbles that many of them are not even aware of how far gone they are, either.

    They have caused systemic damage but redundancies in the bureaucratic system have so far kept things running smoothly – but only at an ever increasing cost of inefficiency and treasure.

    • Agree: Andrei Martyanov
  9. America is part of the Empire of Judenia(the most powerful empire the world has ever seen), and Jews hate Russia as symbol of white gentile national sovereignty. That is more threatening to Jews than communism and National Socialism.

    Why? Even though communism was universalist, its repressive statism didn’t appeal to many, not even in poor nations. Also, Marxism was too intellectualist for hoi polloi.
    National Socialism(of Germany) was arrogant and supremacist. It said only ‘Aryans’ are great and the rest sucks.

    But Russian Nationalism is about respect for each and every gentile nationalism. It doesn’t seek wars of conquest. It isn’t supremacist. It is sensible and limited. It is mutualist with other nations. So, many nations are drawn to the Russian Way. Not because Russia is some paradise. After all, Russia is filled with too many lazy bums and drunken fools. No, it’s because Russian Way says “You respect our nationalism, and we will respect your nationalism.” This is appealing to gentile nations. Russia isn’t saying its way is the ONLY way. It is saying it is right for Russia cuz Russia belongs to Russians. The corollary to this is that other nations belong to their majority populations who should determine what their national identity and destiny are really about.

    THIS is the greatest threat to globalist Jewish Power predicated on destroying all nationalisms(while passing over the Jewish one in Israel. Jews oughta be called PassUberMensch). Jews actually wish Putin was Hitler peddling Russian supremacism. But the fact is he is NOT. He is preaching independence of each nation from globalist domination of America as crown-in-the-jewel of Judenia.

    That is what this Jewish War on Russia is about.

    It’s not about Putin being a thug. If Putin is a thug, US leaders are super-thugs.
    It’s not about Putin being a killer. If Putin is a killer, US leaders are mass murderers.
    It’s not about Russia being ‘illberal’ or ‘undemocratic’. When political results in the West are not to the liking of globalist elites, they demean it as ‘populist'(rule by yahoos) and even call for Deep State coup d’etat or even hint at assassination of elected leaders.

    ‘Liberal Democracy’ is euphemism for globalist domination by the likes of George Soros, Mark Zuckerberg, Haim Saban, Jeff Bezos, and other oligarchs.

    • Agree: CanSpeccy
  10. Rich says:

    It seems to me that a lot of our politically connected have sold their souls to the Chinese and so may want to focus on the Bear to avoid Trump’s obvious disdain for the Dragon. It’s still a little naive to believe the Russkies are no threat, they are a sovereign nation that looks out for its own interests. When our interests coincide, we should work together, but we should never fool ourselves into thinking any nation on Earth is going to put our interests ahead of theirs. Not the Brits (whose Parliament recently spent an inordinate amount of time insulting our President), not the Israelis, not even the Aussies or the Canadians.

  11. Gov. Abbot of Texas boasted in his recent State of the State speech that the economy of Texas is bigger than Russia’s.

    Don’t forget that 95% of the American population (estimate) believes Russia is still communist. Michele Bachmann, running for president in 2012, declared at a rally what America’s principal foreign policy goal should be. “We must,” hollered La Bachmann, “contain the Soviet Union!”

    The grayheaded GOPer audience applauded vociferously, per the training they had received for 50+ years. A Russian name- Pavlov- comes to mind.

    Bachmann’s error was pointed out to her later. (“Michele…the Soviet Union dissolved in 1991…that’s 21 years ago…”) She nevertheless persisted; I believe I heard a report that she delivered the very same applause line at a later rally.

    That’s the GOP. Repeating Reaganisms ad infinitum. Playing with a 30-year-old playbook. “It’s those godless Russian commies who are to blame…for everything.”

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  12. Cyrano says:
    @Diversity Heretic

    The reason why TU-95 is so noisy is because it has a contra rotating propellers. This increases its speed and range but also it makes it extremely noisy. Russia seems to be a leader in this technology, they also have a helicopter that uses contra rotating props – KA52 – which doesn’t need a tail propeller to stabilize it because the two main props cancel each other out.

    • Replies: @JL
    , @MarkinPNW
  13. J says: • Website

    German tanks on the Russian border surely makes Russians very nervous. What is the purpose of this provocation?

    • Replies: @Ace
  14. JL says:

    I believe all the Kazan produced helicopters are based on this technology. I’ve flown on a KA 32, it’s a great machine, maneuverable and powerful, even though it looks like a giant teapot. Russia does this type of aviation well, overpowered, under engineered, tough, reliable.

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  15. Rob McX says:

    Russia has also interfered in UK elections. As this claim is being made by a man who thinks publication of photos he posted on a gay hookup site boosted his political career, it must be true.

  16. Renoman says:

    The deep State still seem to think that American’s don’t have the Internet and are still incredibly stupid. Maybe they are, I hope they are not. The World’s #1 terrorist Nation needs and enemy again, what a a foolish slack way to make money.

  17. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website

    under engineered


    • Replies: @Hunsdon
  18. @Andrei Martyanov

    Good take. The Bears used to fly out to the Med and sometimes NATO/North Sea for a look-see when Nimitz used to sail the 6th Fleet. That thrumming the Bear makes doesn’t just travel distance really well, it also penetrates, ya feel it. They always had a pair of Tomcats alongside, just to say hello. Professional encounters. Simple fly-by type stuff.

    But there should be no illusions. Sea power is subs, cruise missiles and combat air defense. The crews of surface ships and carriers and their planes are fodder against all military groups from any modern entity except as you said, 3rd/4th World shit holes. Everyone has SAMs, everyone has cruise missiles and they can be swarmed and there’s no defense against them, not anymore. If they choose to crater a Navy hull, nothing to stop them. Even Turkey feels empowered to shoot down planes.

    Yeah, the women of Naval Air refuse to go to sea (because what to do with the single-mother-sailor’s children?), but it’s for the best anyway. Fewer ships at sea, fewer ways for our lousy, losing military leadership to screw up. We couldn’t even roust a cruiser to go out and say hi to the Russian ELINT ship last week and it was a whole 30 miles off NY/Conn/Delaware.

    Blue water ships, landlocked, obese polywog female sailors and a Not Mission Capable United States Navy. Enjoy the decline, but pay the bills.

    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
  19. @Jim Christian

    I remember reading that F-106 pilots found the Tu-95 noise very high when flying alongside. I can’t help but imagine that Tu-95 crews must have had substantial hearing loss from the racket.

    Do you have any explanation for the fact that in January not a single U.S. aircraft carrier was on station? I remember from my Naval War College days (1990s) that the point of having 10-11 carriers was so that one could always be on station in the Atlantic, the Pacific and the Indian Oceans?

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    , @Kiza
  20. dearieme says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    ” as cold hard facts testify to didn’t win a single war since 1950″: 1945. Korea was a draw.

    Anyway the US did win two wars, each consisting of a single battle.
    (i) Iraq I.
    (ii) Serbia.

    The victory in (ii) was remarkable given that US bombs seem to have done no military damage to Serbia, destroying only civilians and the Chinese Embassy.

  21. Sunbeam says:

    I wish more people seemed to understand what a number of posters have alluded to here.

    I think there is a real belief, even among people who should know better, that the US can spin a globe and point at something randomly and say “You, I’m kicking your ass.”

    Well we have better logistics than anyone ever has had, if nothing else. That’s very important. But it is about the only thing that lives up to the hype.

  22. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website


    Russia sold out Serbia. If not for Russia Serbia wouldn’t have been defeated.

    • Replies: @Kiza
    , @Donald quack
  23. Hunsdon says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    In the “less is more” category: fewer, simpler parts, field serviceable, amenable to harsh environments.

  24. mtn cur says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Lunatics worshiped the moon, but not these guys, and you left out starvation, and plague. I grew up in an air force R & D center, so, back when trying to break the speed of sound killed a lot of pilots, I was mystified how everyone soiled their diapers over the space shuttles and yet, remain ignorant of the certainty of most capitol cities eventually winding up a smoking rubble, except radioactive of course, unless the citizens and leadership of the developed nations grow a brain very soon.

    • Agree: Andrei Martyanov
  25. mtn cur says:

    Six dudes with pack packs? Try one dude if he can read a map.

  26. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @The True and Original David

    Gov. Abbot of Texas boasted in his recent State of the State speech that the economy of Texas is bigger than Russia’s.

    Know Thy Enemy was never a strong forte of US “academe”. Come to think of it, Know Thyself wasn’t either.

    That’s the GOP

    Sadly not just GOP. As for Reagan–the time when appearances meant more than a substance, sadly.

    • Replies: @Sergey Krieger
  27. @Diversity Heretic

    Do you have any explanation for the fact that in January not a single U.S. aircraft carrier was on station? I remember from my Naval War College days (1990s) that the point of having 10-11 carriers was so that one could always be on station in the Atlantic, the Pacific and the Indian Oceans?

    I have it on some pretty good authority that with high percentages of single-mommy-female crew in squadrons, support ships and carriers themselves, the carriers groups simply aren’t mission capable anymore. They forced out hundreds of thousands of male petty officers starting the past twenty years who had from 6-15 years hard-core fleet experience to make room for minorities, women (MANY of whom were single mothers) and gays. And the process sped up radically under Obama. The resultant conflicts, sexual harassment situations, pregnancies have devastated fleet readiness and rumor has it that they cannibalize crews coming back from overseas and cross-deck them to outgoing ships and air groups. Of course, most of THOSE are men, most of THOSE with families. Do that three at-sea cycles or so and your wife wants you home for good and so people leave the service behind. Add in shortages of pilots (and THOSE folks REALLY have civilian options) and commissioned support staffers who are also tired of it all and it isn’t difficult to imagine why we don’t, can’t, go to sea anymore. As I said earlier, we couldn’t even roust a cruiser to go out and say hi to the Russian ELINT ship last week and it was a whole 30 miles off NY/Conn/Delaware.

    That’s why. And carrier air operations are a brain-trust as surely as building carriers is a brain trust. Lose your experience and intellectual and experience base, you very well may not be able to start over. The lessons of Naval Air are written in the blood of experience and is heavily dependent upon institutional memory passed down to the newbies and if that experience is lost, it isn’t easily or cheaply made up. After a long 5 year tour aboard an A6 squadron embarked aboard Nimitz 76-82, so many women had been brought in to fill shore billets (they couldn’t go to sea then), my only option was 4 more years at sea with another fleet A6 squadron. I wasn’t even married back then and I walked, a Second Class Petty Officer a year from promotion to 1st Class (E6). I couldn’t even get an instructor billet ashore. Women, who’d never been to sea, instructing newbies in Naval Aviation operations who’d themselves never seen a flight deck. So the rot started under Carter, but continued, burning through the experience base until today, we simply can’t get to sea anymore.

    And so I wonder at Neocons that want to start Naval wars, that want to build more ships, more carriers, spend big for more and more planes without the foggiest notion of how to “man” them, fly them or maintain them. As long as we insist on the little ladies having a seat at the table and allow them a pass for missing movement of the ship (we simply don’t sail, so no worry about missing movement of the ship), we aren’t a blue water Navy anymore. As I said, we cannot even maintain a coastal defense force. All the trillions spent and we’re not mission capable. Like everything else feminism has touched, from college to the military, it’s taken 40 years to wreck, it’s going to take at least that to rebuild, and for Naval Air, it’s going to be expensive on many levels. Lessons written in blood always are.

  28. @Jim Christian

    Thank you for your insight. Always enjoy and learn from your comments. I live in Moscow for the moment and watched some of their programs celebrating “Defense of the Motherland” day on Thursday. I don’t recall seeing a single woman in uniform, aside from the choir members on stage. I can’t say the Russians don’t have any, but the military seems to be very male-dominated. They are, of course, still serious about war.

    Slightly off-topic but yesterday I went to the U.S. Embassy in Moscow to see if I could find the statue of John Quincy Adams (it’s behind a wall somewhere). My map wasn’t too detailed, so I wasn’t quite sure of where the Embassy was. But the second I saw high walls, security cameras and razor wire, I knew I had the U.S. Embassy. It was the same in Lisbon, Portugal. The Canadian consulate was in a downtown office building. The American was in a pillbox far from downtown. In fairness, both the security staff and the consular officials were courteous and helpful, but:

    God, I hate this empire!!

  29. Kiza says:
    @Diversity Heretic

    I acknowledge Jim’s contribution on Navy staffing, but I also read that the US Navy, as well as most other Western Navies, are now urgently replacing all metal wiring on their ships with fibre optic cables. This is because the Russians cooked USS Donald Cook in the Black Sea with their superior plane-mounted EW. This refit was supposedly so urgent (because so many seamen resigned after the frying) that most battle groups ended up in dock.

    Plus there were some budgeting advantages. Plus there was a low chance that a new war would be initiated by US during POTUS changeover.

    Nevertheless, I like Fred’s clear thinking about the current mad situation, especially on the Ziocon preparedness to rule the waves on the planet using other people’s money and other people’s sons and daughters. All this US posturing will not end up well.

    • Replies: @Sunbeam
    , @Ace
  30. Kiza says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Russia did not sell out Serbia, Russia was under US/Israeli puppet Yeltsin at the time. The same gang which bombed Serbia held Yeltsin’s strings. The Russian military-intelligence establishment even tried sending one S300 to Serbia during the US/NATO attack. But any attempt by the Russians to send help was blockaded by the new servants of the US Empire: Ukraine, Bulgaria and Romania, by refusing overflights to the Russian transport planes.

    There is a credible story that the bombing of Serbia was the final straw which pushed out Putin to the fore in Russia. Although about 2,000 civilians and about 800 conscripts were killed by US/NATO, Albanian Army and terrorist KLA during coordinated attacks on Serbia, the arrival of Putin has marked the fight-back and spiritual and economic revival of Russia. Therefore, the bombing and subsequent subjugation of Serbia to NATO via color revolution were a relatively small price to pay for re-ordering of NWO. Russia now appears to be slowly (due to sanctions and forced military spending) ascending, whilst the West appears to be sinking, both economically and spiritually.

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  31. Kiza says:

    Just in case you missed this explosive news in the “free” Western media, here it is: (joking, of course, you will never see this in the Western media).

    The Russian Paralympians paid the most for another Western dirty smear job on Russia. As much as I am used to the Western mass-murderes I am still shocked how smelly those Western turds are. What a wonderful qualification of the Western academic world – “professor” McLaren, pity the poor children thought by that smelly turd resembling a human being.

  32. Sunbeam says:

    “This refit was supposedly so urgent (because so many seamen resigned after the frying) that most battle groups ended up in dock.”

    Never heard about this. Once upon a time I would have relentlessly pursued any thing to do with this based on what you said (my armchair general phase has been over for some time).

    Important info, if true. Not questioning your veracity but this isn’t anything I’ve seen mentioned in the media. Not surprising, that something like this happened, or it wasn’t reported either.

    As for the resignations, any story there? Are you talking about officers, because enlisted can’t resign. Was what you are talking about due to some effect of the experience (healthwise or something), or just general disgust?

    • Replies: @Kiza
    , @animalogic
  33. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website

    Russia did not sell out Serbia, Russia was under US/Israeli puppet Yeltsin at the time

    Well, that is the definition of selling. FYI, Israel supported Serbia in 1999.

    There is a credible story

    It is not just credible, this is what Putin himself stated openly about a year ago. This was also clear already in 1999 that the world as it was known before ended. The only people who didn’t understand that were in NATO.

    • Replies: @Kiza
  34. KenH says:

    Left wingers are just stupid and hypocritical. They’re always waxing sentimental about mass murderers Lenin and Stalin put poor Vlad Putin, who is possibly associated with around four mysterious deaths, is a “thug, criminal and threat to world peace and human rights”.

    Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god.
    Jean Rostand

  35. @dearieme

    Anyway the US did win two wars, each consisting of a single battle.
    (i) Iraq I.
    (ii) Serbia.

    Hells bells … if you are counting those two stellar operations, you should throw in Greneda, which was spectacularly more successful.

    • Replies: @animalogic
    , @The Scalpel
  36. Kiza says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    FYI, Israel supported Serbia in 1999.

    Oh yeah, just like Israel supports the territorial integrity of Syria now.

    Most of the individuals who helped annex Kosovo to NATO member Albania were the US Jews, who also handled Yelstin through his Jewish wife and daughter and the Russian Jewish gang behind them. For example, one outspoken “academic” re-arranger of the Balkans was Daniel Serwer:

    Also, Israel played a very interesting double game with the Bosnian Serbs earlier around 1992. Israel was selling armaments to Bosnian Serbs during the international/UN approved embargo of Bosnia, whilst also using the Bosnian conflict politically to turn the Muslim outrage away from Israel and towards Bosnian Serbs. This Yitzhak Rabin game was so successful that even Shiite Iran sent mujahedin on US (CIA) planes landing at Sarajevo Airport to support Sunni/Wahhabi Bosnian Muslims. Bosnia was the only time I am aware of that Shiites and Sunnis were fighting together.

    If somebody says something in public, it does not mean that this is true. Maybe you should refrain from typing about things you do not understand (which appears never to have stopped you before).

    In summary, if Russia sold Serbia then it sold itself first to the same gang. Clear now?

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
    , @Cyrano
  37. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website

    Most of the individuals who helped annex Kosovo to NATO member Albania were the US Jews

    I knew there was something fishy about Bill Clinton and Wesley Clark, among many. Now, that you opened my eyes…

    • Replies: @Kiza
  38. Kiza says:

    What happened to Donald Cook is a rumor (never officially admitted by US) which has now turned into a legend. The whole story could have been an invention of the Russian propaganda, but it has a strong base in a few facts, especially that the Russians have superior EW capability. If the story was true, then what truly surprised the US Navy was that such a powerful jammer (EMI/EMP generator) could have been mounted on such a small platform, such as one standard bomber jet SU24. Admittedly, the low overflight over Donald Cook established proximity which is the key factor in the propagation of the pulse energy (energy drops with the fourth power of distance). In a war, such proximity would have been less likely.

    This would also explain why the US Navy is now so nervous about Russian airforce jet low overflights. They do not want their next super-modern cruiser limping to the closest Romanian Black Sea port before being retrofitted with fibre optics. BTW, there is nothing in the International Law which precludes ship overflights in the International Waters, so the US is left with only labelling them “unprofessional” every time it happens. The only other thing the US Navy could do is shoot down the Russian plane (was is Trump or Breedlove who made this suggestion?) and then get sunk by the Russian shore-to-sip missile batteries in Crimea. The Russians have not fried any other US ships in the Black Sea, but are occasionally sending a jet to do a low overflight and remind the US Navy that is is breaching the Montreux Convention on the presense of the non-litoral navies in the Black Sea:

    As to resignations, the rumor was that anyone who could resign did resign as soon as Donald Cook limped to the first Romanian port.

    • Replies: @Donald quack
  39. Kiza says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    You are uneducable, as I concluded before.

    • Replies: @Kiza
  40. Kiza says:

    But since you mentioned Wesley Clark, another typical US Jack D. Ripper, it may be worth discussing his case.

    This Arkansas hillbilly general, who climbed together with the Clinton crime family, bombed Serbia with gusto because the Serbians are little Russians. Of course, he worked for the Ziocons, just like his mentors the Clintons. But, it appears that after he ordered an attack on the Russian battalion which was moved from Bosnia to establish a base at Pristina airport in Kosovo, an order refused by his subordinated NATO/British General Michael Jackson, he was retired very young. Obviously, such an attack on Russian troops would have cost Yeltsin his Russian Presidency and the international Jewish gang much of its income from pillaging Russia, and possibly could have ultimately escalated to a global nuclear exchange. In other words, a general out of control (with personal emotional agenda). Later on, the same Wesley Clark took revenge on the Ziocon Jewish gang which retired him early by exposing their, so called “seven countries in five years plan“:

    To shut him up, Wesley Clark (and maybe his son too, not sure) was given a conciliatory prize of heading the Canadian mining companies exploiting the Kosovo’s raw materials. This is similar to Joe Biden and his son in post-coup Ukraine, just on a much smaller scale.

    It is customary that the hard-working Ziocon servants and bringers of democracy set themselves up for life and often their family as well as a result of foreign democratisation via US bombs.

  41. Whoever says:
    @Jim Christian

    After a long 5 year tour aboard an A6 squadron embarked aboard Nimitz 76-82, so many women had been brought in to fill shore billets (they couldn’t go to sea then), my only option was 4 more years at sea with another fleet A6 squadron.

    In 1980, 93.5 percent of US Navy personnel were men (today it’s about 82 percent), so that seems a little hard to believe.

    They forced out hundreds of thousands of male petty officers starting the past twenty years who had from 6-15 years hard-core fleet experience to make room for minorities, women (MANY of whom were single mothers) and gays. And the process sped up radically under Obama. The resultant conflicts, sexual harassment situations, pregnancies have devastated fleet readiness

    Looking at the time frame when you were in the Navy, we can consult “UTILIZATION OF WOMEN IN THE NAVY: A STUDY OF HISTORIC AND CURRENT EMPLOYMENT PRACTICES,” Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey, California, June, 1980:

    5 . Absenteeism and Lost Time

    Absenteeism and lost time due to pregnancy and men-
    stration have been frequently cited as inefficiencies associ-
    ated with women. However, the prevailing evidence indicates
    that little time is lost due to menstruation. While pregnancy
    does result in some lost time, the findings of studies com-
    paring lost time and absenteeism between men and women clearly
    show that men account for much more lost time in the Navy.

    The reported data are summarized in Table 17. Women continued
    to lose less time than men in the Navy, but DOD concluded that lost
    time for men and women should not be a major management con-
    cern [Office of the Assistant Secretary of Defense, 1978, p.
    F-32] .

    An article in the May 1969 issue of the Naval Insti-
    tute Proceedings [Karris, 1979, p. 83] reported a recent lost
    time study. The study compared time lost on the job by Navy
    men and women in two sample groups: the first group included
    1000 men and 1000 women who entered the Navy in a specified
    period; the second included all men and women assigned to
    selected aviation squadrons ashore. In effect, the study
    evaluated a random sample of men and women irrespective of
    job assignment, and a sample of men and women working in the
    same organizations and under similar circumstances.

    The study reported [Harris, 1979, p. 83] that men
    were absent from the job almost twice as much as women
    , 793
    days a year per 100 men versus 422 days a year per 100 women.
    Additionally, it was noted that when a woman was away from
    the job, her absence was usually expected. The men, on the
    other hand, usually just didn’t come to work.

    The reported data support the contention that women
    tend to be absent for medical reasons, whereas men are more
    likely to be absent for disciplinary reasons. Additionally,
    in the Navy, on a per capita basis, women account for less
    lost time than men do

    As far as current readiness goes, since 1998 the fleet has dropped from 333 ships to 272 ships, but the number of ships deployed at any one time has stayed steady at about 100 ships.
    Ships are spending about 25 percent more of their underway time deployed than they were two decades ago. In 1998, 4 percent of deployments lasted more than six months, while in 2016 all deployments lasted more than six months, and over the past few years many deployments have lasted more than eight months and some as long as 11 months.
    We are having a readiness and manpower crisis because of very large force reductions under the Obama administration and because of the fact that we have been continuously at war for the last 16 years.

    obese polywog female sailors

    BCP separation after three tries not meeting weight, male or female.


    It is true that blacks account for an out-sized proportion of problems in the Navy, and black females contribute their share, for example getting ADSEP’d far out of proportion to their numbers. But total the number of blacks in the Navy is declining, dropping from 21 percent in 2005 to 16 percent today. That’s mainly due to tougher recruitment standards. White women can meet them. Black men can’t.
    Your experiences in the Navy happened before I was born and during peacetime, and I am only three generations brown-shoe Navy and Marine Corps and have seen the elephant, so what do I know?

  42. Cyrano says:

    I agree with your assessment that the war on Serbia was used for propaganda purposes both by Israel and US – to prove that neither of them are anti-Muslim. Which is pretty retarded, like the Arabs were going to say OK we can get justice for the Palestinians but since you helped Albanians now we are even.

    Israel even went so far that they even accepted few Bosnian refugees to prove how they are not anti-Muslim, it’s all just misunderstanding between them and the Palestinians. The other purpose of that dirty little war was to scare the Russians – I know, this is even more retarded – by bombing the Serbs, who are arguably one of the most pro-Russian nations on the face of the earth, they were supposed to show Russia look what we can do to your allies.

    Yeah, they really scared the Russians. The only thing that they accomplished is to make Russians realize that they can’t do business with the west. Yevgeny Primakov who was on the way to New York to discuss a solution to the Kosovo crisis, when he heard about the bombing in mid-air ordered the plane to turn around back to Moscow, realizing that there is nothing to talk to those people any more. Pretty soon that buffoon Yeltsin was gone and it is safe to say that the bombardment of Yugoslavia is what brought Putin to power.

    • Replies: @Kiza
  43. Kiza says:

    If it were not the Serbs, something else would have brought out Putin. The nation such as Russia has proven its survivability through eons of history, strengthened by belief such is Christianity. The mix such as US has not proven anything except universal greed, disunity and instability. It is a jungle some call a country. Just look at what they are doing to their own President Trump.

    Have you noticed in the George Webb talk how the Clintons established organ harvesting business starting from Kosovo? They harvested organs from the captured Serbian conscripts and uncooperative Albanians (those who wanted to live in peace).

  44. Fred, I urge you to refrain from referring to ‘qualified’ or ‘unqualified’ candidates or sitting presidents.
    These notions made sense in considering James Madison, or Henry Clay, or Aaron Burr, but after the election of 1860 and the subsequent destruction of the Constitutional Republic we entered a new and more degenerate political condition. Can any sane person discuss George W. Bush or Barry Soetero-Obama as ‘qualified’?

  45. @Lord of Wombats

    Yep, Russia and Putin represent the scariest thing imaginable to Jew and Gentile globalists: White nationalism.

    If whites ever start asking simple questions like, “Why do our people have to die out,” they won’t like the answers. Without Russia, whites might never ask those questions because schools and the media brainwash us into self-loathing.

    But it might be too late. Those questions are starting to pop up more and more. Why shouldn’t there European American groups on campus if that groups for every other race and ethnicity. Why shouldn’t European Americans be proud of there heritage just like every other group?

    As whites descend into the minority status, we will start to think like a minority group – or, at least, a growing portion will. I used to be pretty pessimistic about the fate of whites, but I’m seeing glimmers of hope.

    It’s why the media is freaking out. They know that allowing whites to even think about these things will quickly lead to white identity, which leads to white nationalism. And, of course, that means gas chambers in Ohio, right.

    (Btw, while I hate Jewish globalists, at least I understand their motivation. Sure, they’re lying through their teeth, but they’re lying through their teeth to protect their people, at least as they see it. Gentile globalists are fucking evil. They’re literally trying to destroy their own people.)

    • Replies: @ThereisaGod
  46. @Mao Cheng Ji

    Agree with the “catching”. Not sure if the “locking them up” would be quite …adequate….? Anyway, it would be a good start.

  47. Ace says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    I don’t think it mentally destroyed Americans. Rather we were then and have since been led by morons who’d rather sell their children than identify simple, no-frills islam as the enemy. They also led us into an orgy of ready-fire-aim foreign wars for bugger all.

    A more confused non-European nation is hard to find, our situation exacerbated by a lying press.

    Leadership failure of the first order and baseless faith in leaders on the part of the electorate.

    • Replies: @CalDre
  48. @Mao Cheng Ji

    From an external, objective standpoint “lunacy” does seem a fair characterisation of neo-cons & political elites. To deliberately antagonise (to say the least) a nation of Russia’s character & strengths is, at best, criminally reckless. That US/western elites are lost in arrogance, self delusion, ruthlessness & an unquenchable lust for money & power seems to be more or less beyond debate. I guess, it depends on how you define “lunacy”.
    The problem with “lunacy”is it may suggest a lack of conscious intention — as if elites are under the influence of some kind of overwhelming force…such as their own greed etc….Sure: but, I have no doubt that elites know EXACTLY what they are doing. They KNOW their policies are sapping the economic (& cultural) life blood out of small business & salaried workers. They KNOW that their foreign policies toward such countries as Russia are fraught with grave dangers. They KNOW that climate change is to some extent a threat. They “”know”, but are willing to run whatever risk such policies entail. In short, they are GAMBLERS, who believe at the final throw of the dice, (by a kind of divine right) that it’s heads they will win & tails we (the 90 what-ever percent) who will lose.
    Lunacy ? probably, but definitely STUPIDITY & ARROGANCE.

  49. @The Alarmist

    Don’t forget Panama. Another moment of US military splendour.

  50. @Sunbeam

    For what it’s worth, Kiza’s take on the refit of fibre optic cable etc is the story I heard too.

  51. @dearieme

    i IRAQ ? US win in Iraq is actually devastating loss for US.
    Iraq is now Shi ite ruled country that is closely aligned with Iran.

    • Replies: @WJ
    , @Ace
  52. @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Quote: …”(Btw, while I hate Jewish globalists, at least I understand their motivation. Sure, they’re lying through their teeth, but they’re lying through their teeth to protect their people, at least as they see it. Gentile globalists are fucking evil. They’re literally trying to destroy their own people.)”

    In the Swedenborgian universe the Jews you describe would be called (or would be, rather, ‘channelling’) “Satans”. The Gentiles would be channelling lower spirits, “demons”.

    Satans are noisy liars who direct the activities of lower spirits. These demons “delight in evils” and happily accept the pretexts provided by the “Satans” who occupy higher regions of hell. According to Swedenborg all spirits gravitate after death to their own kind. This is where they prefer to be. It is not that God sends them to hell as a punishment. We all follow our “highest love”.

    Must disagree with you on one thing though. Both kinds of spirits, rejecting the principles of neighbourly Love and Love of God, are decidedly evil.
    Selective love of ones own does not excuse the harming of others.

    The big questions are these.

    What is wrong with THE REST OF US that we have allowed and continue to allow these Satanic monsters to direct the activities of the government of our countries?

    Why do we allow this money power via the Political Party System to PRE-SELECT (obviously morally degenerate) Tweedledums and Tweedledees to be our sole electable political representatives. (easy to answer this… because the cunning b*stards have created the system for precisely this purpose).

    Quote from Montagu Norman, Governor of The Bank Of England, addressing the United States Bankers’ Association, NYC 1924 (please read last sentences)

    “Capital must protect itself in every possible way, both by combination and legislation. Debts must be collected, mortgages foreclosed as rapidly as possible.

    “When, through process of law, the common people lose their homes, they will become more docile and more easily governed through the strong arm of the government applied by a central power of wealth under leading financiers.

    “These truths are well known among our principal men, who are now engaged in forming an imperialism to govern the world. By dividing the voter through the political party system, we can get them to expend their energies in fighting for questions of no importance.

    “It is thus, by discrete action, we can secure for ourselves that which has been so well planned and so successfully accomplished.”

  53. Ram says:

    When the ordinary American voter cannot name a country in Europe, and are given the right to vote, it is easy to understand why the US foreign policy (and that of NATO) is written in Tel Aviv. Why so many of the US institutions are in the hands of “Israel first”ers who never relinquish control goe4s hand in hand.

    Christian Russia somehow managed to extricate itself from a similar grip puts them on a higher plane than the present day Americans. What fate awaits the Americans ?

  54. alexander says:

    Dear Fred,

    “And there is no way to rein in these lunatics.”

    Perhaps it’s true, there is no way.

    However, if one concedes these “lunatics” are guilty of the most heinous crimes imaginable, then they are not simply “lunatics”, they are “criminals” worthy of a very long stay in federal prison.

    So arresting them and locking them up would be an excellent solution to ending their sixteen year reign of “criminal lunacy “.

    Wouldn’t it ?

    If enough Americans demanded it , President Trump would be compelled to order it .

    Wouldn’t he ?

    The charges are as plain as day ….”Conspiracy to Defraud the American People”, “Treason”,
    “War of Aggression”, and “Mass Murder”.

    This would also make all their assets available to be clawed back to the Republic.

    Which seems like quite a good idea considering these “criminal lunatics” are single handedly responsible for creating our catastrophic 20 trillion dollar debt..

    In a more “sane” world, this would be the top priority of the new administration.

    It would , in fact, be the actualization of Trumps sworn promise to “Drain the Swamp.”

  55. fnn says:

    The Democrats are making Joe McCarthy look like the epitome of restraint and good judgment:

    • Replies: @joe webb
  56. mp says:

    If you ask the EPA or CARB, VW Jettas are worse than any small nuke.

  57. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @The Alarmist

    And Panama. Can’t foget Panama

  58. @Andrei Martyanov

    Back off about Russia selling out Serbia.
    NATO/US took full advantage of the fact there was no USSR to hamper their evil in the Former Yugoslavia. This all took place immediately after the total (and unexpected/sudden) collapse of the Soviet Union.
    US carpet baggers were looting the country mercilessly, oligarchs were thieving with impunity.
    The average life expectancy for a Russian male hovered at 55.
    Russia could not save itself, let alone protect Serbia.
    NATO actions in Bosnia, Serbia were a salutary lesson to Putin as he can be found saying on numerous you tube interviews.
    He still refers to those times, and the barbarity of the West. He can be found on you tube talking (horrified) about the murder and mutilation of Gadaffi.
    Now that Russia is able, it has come to the aid of ally Syria. And yes, Putin is forthright. Stop the terrorists there, or risk their disruption within the Russian Federation. (Chechnya/2000s) also fresh in Putins geo-political analysis.
    Serbia remains a deep wound for many Russians.

  59. @Kiza

    Want to know what actually happened to the Donald Duck(cook).?
    The Russians explain:
    Crimea, the way back home documentary.
    It’s long (2.5 hours) and brilliant.
    At around the 2hr mark there’s a Russian naval commander explaining how they locked onto the Sitting duck, and it did “figures of eight” as high-tailed it out of the Black Sea.
    No need for rumour and conjecture about these matters. The issue is plainly discussed and explained by the Russian naval commander.

    • Replies: @utu
  60. @Diversity Heretic

    The one provoking Russia is Putin. He has imperial ambitions and is acting on them. Alas, he has not the money or manpower for it, and his actions are simply tearing his country down.

    To state that it is reasonable to act to contain NATO is beyond hilarious. NATO is not even a paper Tiger and we have no way of making any reasonable projection of power in the vicinity of Russia. You are correct about the TU 95 though.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  61. WJ says:

    The poster was referring to the first Gulf war in 1991 which ended up being little more than an over-staffed skirmish, not really testing the US.

    You are absolutely correct about the GW 2 which was a catastrophe for the US and put an Iran friendly regime in power.

  62. Che Guava says:

    If you cannot program in assembly language, you do not know how computers work. If you do not know TCP/IP from DHCP, you do not know how the internet works. If you cannot tell a dictionary attack from stack overflow, you don’t have a housefly’s idea how hacking works. If you have not investigated the various kinds of voting machines to see what would be involved in changing their vote totals, you probably ought to take up stamp collecting.

    Well said, Fred. I tick all of the boxes.

    Never used a stack overflow attack (now called stack-smashing), never done malicious hacking, but I do know how the former works, and countermeasures.

    Not that I was not a hacker, like Assange (two degrees of separation when he was hacking) and most others at the time, the tiny minority who targeted Compuserve and then the Internet for credit-card fraud were seen as despicable.

    It was like a cyber-space walk. At one workplace (which I hated), I had access to five servers (only legitimately as admin. to one), was sorely tempted to be destructive, but did not.

    Two were from shoulder-surfing, two were from easy-to-guess passwords.

    Dictionary attack, the original definition was to send the Unix word list to others as a disruption.

    Now, of course, it means testing for weak passwords.

    Was kicked off the system at the end of one semester at uni. for having a password-circumventing utility, only used to log in as superuser once or twice, didn’t do anything but look at the file system, already had all of my assignments in, still got a distinction.

    This whole nonsense about ‘Russian hacking’ is such rubbish, nobody thinks they had people crawling about to replace the microcontrollers in the voting machines, or the memory chips.

    From (not direct) observation, from reading, only one state’s machines are foolishly ‘net connected.

    Why connect anything critical to the Web? It is utter stupididity, but it seems that stupidity wins. No firewall system is going to be perfect 100% of the time, so connecting military and infrastructure systems is the height of stupididity, yet it is now common practice. The rights of the servicepeople and workers on infrastructure to play with the WWW at work trumps any reason.

    No such network should have a direct connection, but increasing numbers do. The idiocy is difficult to believe.

    One would hope that this stupidity does not extend to the SAC etc.

    Sill, War Games, while not convincing technically, was an interesting piece of fiction, and a little inspirational at the time.

    BTW, I absolutely believe Trump’s claim re. three million votes that should be invalid, I have read of it overseas, it is the common praxis of the left and centre-left in many places to run repeat voting and illegal voting, the deceased being one common tool. It is easy to see that it is heavily used by the Demoncrats in the USA.

  63. Isaac says:
    @Mao Cheng Ji

    Simple and well said. The problem runs from the people themselves all the way to the top, throughout all the structures of society. It’s not just a few lunatics.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  64. It is interesting to see Generals, Admirals, etc. whining about the latest close encounter. “The flew too close.” “They were unprofessional.” As if we don’t do the same all the time.

    Remember the spy plane forced down by the Chinese some time ago. Oh the horror. And by the way, if a woman had been at the controls we’d have lost the aircraft. It was pretty clear only muscle saved them.

  65. annamaria says:

    “…imperial ambitions…”
    You Israeli parents maybe grew up in the former USSR, but this seemingly did not provide you with any ground for understanding the policies of Russian federation. The author of this article is a well respected analyst, whereas your pseudonymic oeuvres are indeed hilarious.

  66. Anonymous [AKA "chucky89"] says:

    Never forget that to the US military branches, the biggest and most important battle they fight every year is the fight on Capital Hill. First its a fight to make sure as much taxpayer money as possible is collected and then diverted from productive uses into non-productive ‘defense’ spending. Then the second stage of the fight is the fight to divide this money between the services with each service branch trying to grab as much taxpayer money as possible.

    This time of the year, early in the budget process, you can always expect to find lots of loud screaming stories about the ‘threat of the week’ and how it must be countered immediately by every taxpayer emptying out their pockets.

    This was most noticeable after the end of Cold War 1.0. We still have the lingering results of a bunch of bad Chuck Norris movies and bad Tom Clancy novels trying to promote ideas like ‘super-duper narco terrorists’ being the threat that demanded a trillion dollar military. Since then, Al-Qaida and the ‘terrorists’ subbed in as the threat, until we started arming the same terrorists in Libya and Syria.

    Now, not only has the ‘terrorist’ threat grown old, but the interservice rivalries meant that the navy and the shipbuilders were tired of watching the special forces types get all the counter-terrorism taxpayer dollars. So, the military-industrial-complex, and especially those parts that build big expensive ships that don’t work and expensive planes that don’t work and big expensive main battle tanks all needed a ‘new enemy’. Thus, the rise of the threat of Russia and China.

    And, if that threat ever fails in the future to properly scare the taxpayers into properly paying high taxes and giving it to the military and its contractors, they’ll soon invent another threat.

  67. Agent76 says:

    Jan 16, 2017 US military–industrial complex is willing to risk nuclear war with Russia

    Author and activist David Swanson discusses the anti-Russian media frenzy, attributing it to the Democrats’ desire to explain why Donald Trump won the presidential election without blaming the Democratic Party or the political establishment as a whole. He also addresses the geopolitical animosity toward Russia, spurred by war-profiteers.

  68. “Fern-bar Napoleons” alone would make this piece worth reading. And in fact, it’s quite wise.

  69. Sparkon says:

    ” It’s not just a few lunatics.”

    This might be a good time to check with a reference. This is what Wiki sez:

    Lunatic is an informal term referring to a person who is considered mentally ill, dangerous, foolish or unpredictable, conditions once attributed to lunacy.

    (my emphasis)

    Dangerous. Foolish. Unpredictable.

    ‘Sounds like a pretty good description of U.S. foreign policy going back several administrations.

    OK. Scratch unpredictable from U.S. foreign policy since WWII, but let it stand for lunatics everywhere, even those who may be working for the U.S., irrespective of whether or not their number should be characterized as “a few.”

    My definition of lunatic:

    A person capable of–or regularly engaging in–rash, reckless, even bizarre behavior, as if under the spell of some strange, mysterious force.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  70. joe webb says:

    “It is about money and power, as is everything in the United States. Wall Street, the Pentagon, the Neocons, and the Empire run America. Trump has threatened their rice bowls.”

    Did PCR die and is the mexican loving yanqui channeling him?

    This Fred is old, like me, but has not kept up while I have kept up. Keeping Up means shelving the old Money/Power/Imperialism leftie position and recognizing Blood and Soil as displacing same.

    Not a discouraging word about jews/zionism/US neoconned to make Israel safe for its own Blood and Soil, the coming race wars (plural, not singular since it is hard to see how a civil war will be fought in today’s Mega State, etc.), American Populism , and on and on.

    Fred, retire while you are , at least in your own mind, still winning with your obsolete leftish/centrist schtick. “Everything” you say, quite a mouthful.

    Joe Webb

  71. joe webb says:

    Joe McCarthy was right about everything he said. Per the release of the Verona (?) documents, and the history of communists in the State Dept, etc.

    I knew one of them…family friend of my parents. Nice guy, New England rich and pedigreed, and Red… The stamp of New England out of control lib-rad dreaminess.


  72. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    The silliness over Russia is, obviously, part of the Establishment’s drive to get rid of Trump.

    No, that’s arse backwards. The “silliness” over Trump is “part of the Establishment’s drive to get rid of” Russia.

    The Russians, under Putin, apparently wish to remain Russians, and not become mongrelized New World Orderians, their country Balkanized, the valuable bits sold off for pennies on the thousand dollars to the likes of George Soros, with the aid of some Poroshenkite/Eltsin Quisling taking a cut on every sellout deal.

    Trump seems willing to go along with the Putin plan for the future of Russia, which naturally makes the Republicrat Bush/Clinton duopolists for fucking everyone but themselves really mad.

  73. MarkinPNW says:

    Contra-rotating propellers are tricky. If I remember correctly, it was the failure of a contra-rotating propeller that caused Howard Hughes to crash, leading him to end up focusing his OCD on avoiding germs (actually necessary for serious burn victims during treatment and recovery) instead of making movies and airplanes.

    It is actually quite a tribute that the Russians succeeded in making the technology work. Using them in helicopters (as rotors) seems to actually make the helicopter easier to control and more stable. I have an RC helo that uses contra-rotating rotors and it is considered a “beginners” helicopter because of its inherent stability.

  74. annamaria says:

    “…some strange, mysterious force.”
    May I suggest money and power as the source of the force? The good-for-nothing opportunists of psychopathic kind show limitless voraciousness when striving for the earthly comforts. The lunacy is obvious for the outsiders, but for the opportunists the lunacy is the only way to get the goodies and more.
    The pettier kind are represented by the supposedly progressive Hollywood activists and the easily-guided entertainers of Nightly News and Saturday Night. Look at the ugly transformation of the renumeration-seeking Maddov and Oliver and the big “progressive” mouths of the last Oscar. Pettiness. An incredible degree of pettiness.

  75. wow says:

    Why would he be “unqualified”…compared to what??? A stooge politician in Washington raping American tax dollars??

    Compared to what??? Hillary???

    Compared to WHAT?????? An affirmative action kneegrow???

    Compared to WHAT???????

    This “unqualified” word has to be the most lazy word used to describe Trump. FuuuK!!!!!

  76. utu says:
    @Donald quack

    “At around the 2hr mark there’s a Russian naval commander”

    Not true. Nothing about USS Cook incident.

  77. @Andrei Martyanov

    Reagan, POTUS who put USA on drugs. By which I mean going into debt big time and all that came out of all this. the guy should be in the run for the worst US president along with Bush and Obama.
    Lots of bad trends of USA decline actually started under Ronald.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  78. CalDre says:

    identify simple, no-frills islam as the enemy

    No, redneck know-nothing haters are the enemy. Some of them are Islamic, but some, like you, are not.

    • Replies: @Ace
  79. Ace says:

    You have harshed my mellow.

  80. Sparkon says:
    @Sergey Krieger

    Yes, I agree. However, even before he was senile, Ronald Reagan was not very bright:

    His mind, said the well-disposed Peggy Noonan, was “barren terrain.”
    Indiana congressman Lee Hamilton, an authority on national defense, reported, “Reagan’s only contribution throughout the entire hour and a half was to interrupt somewhere at midpoint to tell us he’d watched a movie the night before, and he gave us the plot from War Games.”
    Some thought him to be not only ignorant but, in the word of a former CIA director, “stupid.” Clark Clifford called the president an “amiable dunce,” and the usually restrained columnist David Broder wrote, “The task of watering the arid desert between Reagan’s ears is a challenging one for his aides.”

    Reagan was a figurehead. You might guess who was really in charge. To be fair, It is doubtful that he really knew what was going on, less so than ever after they tried to kill him. And who really knows for sure when dementia had set in, save perhaps Nancy, who always had a firm grip on the Gipper, so to say.

    It is doubtful, for example, that Ronald Reagan really understood what was going on with Iran-Contra, except maybe for some vague notions about “freedom fighters.” He didn’t go to Paris to meet with Rafsanjani and Kashoggi to set up the deal to delay the release of the U.S. hostages in Iran until after the election. That task would fall to George HW Bush, and William Casey:

    The Passengers aboard the aircraft included… William Casey, soon to be the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency…and George Bush, the future Vice President and President of the United States and former director of the Central Intelligence Agency.

    Russbacher states that Bush, while in Paris, met with Hashemi Rafsanjani, the second in command to the Ayatollah… and Adnan Khashoggi, a Saudi Arabian businessman… Arrangements were apparently made to pay Iran $40 million to delay the release of hostages in order to thwart President Jimmy Carter’s re-election bid.

    The $40 million was the beginning of terms that created the Iran-Contra scandal

    (my edits for brevity)

    This AM March 2, 2017, first string network talking heads Savannah Gutherie and Matt Lauer were just all over the Russian Hacking Hysteria like fruit flies on vinegar right from the get go, because, you know, we here in the United States of America just do not tolerate anybody fooling around with our elections.

  81. Ace says:

    To show the Russians that they will never take Disneyland.

  82. Ace says:

    If the Russians cooked the wiring on that ship I wonder why it wasn’t dead in the water. Surely more than combat systems electronics would have been affected.

    • Replies: @Kiza
  83. @utu

    I stand corrected. I appears at around 1:26-1:40hrs.
    Here is a snippet from the transcript of the video:
    (minutes) 84:58
    NATO announced naval exercises in the Black Sea: a US destroyer approached the Romanian coast,


    an aircraft carrier task force entered the Mediterranean, and a cruise missile destroyer, the USS Donald Cook, headed towards Crimea.
    No one knew that Russia had redeployed a Bastion coastal defense missile system from the Black Sea coast.
    In addition, we consciously displayed them for observation from space.
    Bastion is a defensive system that protects the coast, protects territory.
    It doesn’t attack anyone.
    But it’s an efficient, modern and high-precision weapon.
    So far no one else has weapons like this.
    Maybe it’s the most efficient coastal missile system in the world today.
    Yes, at some point we redeployed these Bastion coastal systems there to make it clear that Crimea was reliably defended.
    In addition, we consciously displayed them for observation from space.
    Are we being observed from space?
    Alexander Ostrikov (Deputy Commander-in-Chief of Russia’s Black Sea Fleet): Perhaps we are.
    God grant they see and know that we have weapons without parallel in the world.
    (interviewer) What can this system do?
    It’s unique because it can fire a state-of-the-art supersonic missile that is invulnerable to all antimissile defense weapons and cannot be detected by radar.
    The missile can tack and, for example, hit a target hiding behind a natural obstacle, such as a mountain or a hill.
    The missile will identify a target and destroy it, one-hundred-percent guaranteed.

    The monitors on board the cruiser Moskva, the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet,
    showed clearly that a US destroyer was heading confidently towards the Crimean coast,
    to bring the peninsula within the range of its Tomahawk missiles.
    Suddenly, the Bastion missile system’s radar, Monolith, came to life near Sevastopol.
    How did the destroyer, the Donald Cook, behave, when she felt that our missiles were fixed on it?
    Alexander Vitko (Admiral, Commander-in-Chief of Russia’s Black Sea Fleet): It veered south and headed for the Bosporus at full speed.
    So, in fact, this fix told them that they were at gunpoint, didn’t it?
    Yes, they were at gunpoint and likely to come under strike at any moment.
    According to Commander-in-Chief Alexander Vitko, it’s unlikely that the Black Sea had ever seen a figure eight
    like the one that the USS Donald Cook made as it was running from Bastion’s fix.

    there’s more —- recommend anyone vaguely interested in Ukraine/RF geo-politics watch this documentary. Crimea, the way back home – with english subtitles

  84. Ace says:

    The situation in Iraq is not a result of a military failure. Like our military victory in Vietnam, the one in Iraq was transformed into a political defeat.

    A defeat, nevertheless, but not a failure of arms.

    Our ineffectual “war” on ISIS there and in Syria is a pretend war that involves warning leaflets dropped on oil tankers.

  85. @utu

    Yes. Correction. The Russian Black Sea commander talking about the Donald Cook incident is around the 1:26 min mark.
    The whole doco is really, absolutely worth a watch.
    Crimea: the road back home, you tube, English sub titles. I prefer the version with the 10million views.

  86. Agent76 says:

    Nov 29, 2016 The Map That Shows Why Russia Fears War With USA

    25.12. 2015 NATO: Seeking Russia’s Destruction Since 1949

    In 1990, after the fall of the Berlin Wall, U.S. president George H. W. Bush through his secretary of state James Baker promised Soviet premier Mikhail Gorbachev that in exchange for Soviet cooperation on German reunification, the Cold War era NATO alliance would not expand “one inch” eastwards towards Russia. Baker told Gorbachev: “Look, if you remove your [300,000] troops [from east Germany] and allow unification of Germany in NATO, NATO will not expand one inch to the east.”

  87. annamaria says:

    The Presstitute in Charge: Ilan Berman, a Vice President of the American Foreign Policy Council in Washington, DC, has produced an amazing oeuvre:
    In this required presstituting stuff (filled with indignation, of course), Mr. Berman touches on Ukraine. He seems to be in compete accord with the neo-Nazi-oriented policies of the US in Ukraine. One wonders, is the Holocaust story is not fashionable anymore among Israel-firsters? It is quite possible that Ilan Berman had some family members perished in Ukraine from the hands of Nazis, but a paycheck is a much stronger thingy for Mr. Berman than truth and decency. What an amazing convergence of the ziocons with neo-Nazis!
    It looks that Zionism and Nazism could be reconciled, and Mr. Berman (along with the Kagans clan) is a living proof to that.

    • Replies: @Don Bass
  88. annamaria says:

    A cry in the wilderness:
    “The real question is how has contact with Russian government officials become criminalized, grounds for removing a National Security Adviser, an Attorney General, and impeaching a President himself. President John F. Kennedy had ongoing contact with Khrushchev, the head of the Soviet government, in order to resolve the Cuban/Turkish missile crisis without nuclear war. President Nixon had ongoing contact with the Russians in order to achieve SALT I and the anti-ballistic missile treaty. President Carter had ongoing contact with Russians in order to achieve SALT II. President Reagan worked with the Russian leader in order to end the Cold War. I know. I was there.
    But if President Trump wants to defuse the extremely dangerous tensions that the reckless Clinton, George W. Bush, and Obama regimes have resurrected with a powerful thermo-nuclear state that only wants peace with the US, President Trump and any of his appointees who spoke to a Russian are unfit for office! This madness is the position of the idiot liberal/progressive/left, the CIA, the Democratic Party, the right-wing morons of the Republican Party such as Lindsey Graham and John McCain, and the two-bit whores that comprise the Westrern media.”

    • Replies: @Don Bass
  89. Silverado says:
    @Mao Cheng Ji

    Perhaps Sociopaths is a better, more accurate word. From Google:

    Those with antisocial personality disorder tend to lie, break laws, act impulsively, and lack regard for their own safety or the safety of others. Symptoms may lessen with age.

    I knew that would be a better description and much closer to the truth of what makes these domestic criminals tick. They’re the “enemy within” the Founders warned us about 250 years ago and should be dealt with as such. Morally and ethically the country and the world would be ahead of that pro-war curve that’s almost bankrupted the country. Leave the illegals and round this group of radical neocon terrorists and warmongers up. They’re much more dangerous and more expensive than any group of immigrants, illegal or otherwise.

  90. Don Bass says:

    Changing allegiances. 20o1 in NYC 3000 people are murdered and “we” are persuaded “Al Quada” responsible. This week good old “Al” and his buddies (the NATO funded ISIS White Helmets) get an Oscar.
    That plot twist itself is worthy of a Hollywood blockbuster !

    • Agree: Kiza
  91. Don Bass says:

    McCain is the connecting rope of evil that ties so many narratives of bloodshed together.
    McCain was repeatedly photographed with Oleh Tyahnybok, the leader of the right wing nationalist Svoboda. Party. When it was founded in 1995, it called itself the Social-National Party of Ukraine (SNPU), and it had a swastika-like logo.

    March 1 2017 || DONI news agency

    Chairman of the US Senate Committee on Armed Services John McCain and Chairman of the House Committee on Armed Services Republican Mac Thornberry earlier urged US President Donald Trump to send defensive armaments to Ukraine.

    Thornberry stressed that the idea of providing defensive armaments to Ukrainians enjoyed wide support both in the US Republican and Democratic Parties.

    The current Act on the activity and the financing of the US Department of Defense for fiscal year 2017 allows the head of the Pentagon to provide defensive lethal force weapons to the Ukrainian army. Most frequently, anti-tank weapons are mentioned among these armaments. A total of $350 million has been set aside for these purposes.


    2017 visits to Syria. Discuss “safe zones”.
    Also history of him using Senate role to seal records of Viet MIAs.

    In 2008 he asked for campaign donations from Russia!!!
    Wikileaks released documents this week following the sudden death of Russian UN ambassador Vitaly Churkin.

    There are several documents on McCain’s request for donations from the Russians.

    In 2008 the Russian mission released a letter on a fundraising attempt from John McCain.

    According to Reddit users John McCain illegally asked for campaign donations from the Russian Ambassador. (the same ambassador that died suddenly on Monday) This globalist shrieks about Russian influence while he himself participated in it.

    The Russians told McCain they would not donate to his campaign.

  92. Kiza says:

    If you read the article I linked to, you will find out that the ship was truly disabled, not only the battle systems then steering and propulsion. Apparently, after a day or so of doing figure eights in the Black Sea waters the crew managed to switch to manual everything and limp to the nearest Romanian port.

    EMP/EMI does not fry any wires, its energy is induced in wires as in antennae and this energy then fries all electronics at the end of the wires. To protect, every piece of electronics needs to be enclosed in the Faraday cage and every wire coming in and out of the cage needs to be replaced with optical cable (silicium does not induce electromagnetic waves).

    I am curious to find out if the Western fly-by-wire planes suffer from the same problem and may also need to be retrofitted. The planes of the 5th generation already use fiber optic cables, but Eurofighter and similar are famos for fly-by-wire as opposed to hydraulic controls on classical planes. Hydraulics, is of course, completely resistant to EMP/EMI.

    Russia wins by forcing the NATO aggressors to retrofit so much if their equipment and at what cost? I am certain that the cost of developing EMI generator will end up being incomparable to the cost of the Western retrofit to defeat it. Do not forget that the goal of CW2 is to bankrupt Russia the way CW1 supposedly bankrupted SU.

    • Replies: @Kiza
  93. Kiza says:

    I recall a case of, I think, a Litvanan pilot of Soviet Union, who was coopted by the US intelligence to defect to the West with his MiG-23 for the West to dissect it. So they did and they found that this plane’s radar and avionics were based on tubes instead of solid state semiconductors. They made a big propaganda fuss in the MSM for the stupid Westerners – how obsolete the Soviet technology was compared to Western planes all in semiconductors. The only problem was that nuclear explosions are the biggest known generators of EMP/EMI and the Soviets designed a fighter-bomber which would not fall out if the sky like the Western jets when a nuclear explosion would happen. Therefore, the Western MIC sold to its population of milking cows an advanced Soviet design as obsolescence. I suspect that $1.9B Donald Cook was a similar sale to the milking cows.

    • Replies: @Cyrano
  94. Don Bass says:

    The Admiral Kuznetsov will be equipped with modern systems of electronic warfare, communication, intelligence, navigation and combat control.
    According to the RF Military & Defense
    (March 03, 2017)

    “The venture was a calculated decision to appraise the vessel and provide data for construction of new ships.”

    Military & Defense December 14, 2016:
    The chairman of the State Duma’s defense committee Vladimir Shamanov describes The Admiral Kuznetsov’s participation in the operation in Syria as “another step forward” in developing Russian Navy

    On Feb 23, 2017 Meeting with the Northern Fleet Service Members

    Putin explains his decision for sending the Admiral Kuznetsov to take part in the Syria campaign:
    “When I was formulating this task to the Minister and the Chief of the General Staff, I proceeded from several considerations. First, the aircraft carrier has been in the Armed Forces since 1991, and has always pursued, it seems, tasks related to training and demonstration.
    For this reason, the industry was instructed with the task to properly prepare it and to create a corresponding aviation wing. That is how the final version of the MiG-29 appeared.

    “You spoke about the difficulties you encountered as you carried out the combat mission. I thought that those difficulties would arise, and that you would have to overcome them. And you have done all that.

    “The task was difficult and complex. I am glad that you coped with all of its elements, and this is undoubtedly a good step towards the development of the Russian Navy in all its parts.”

  95. Cyrano says:

    Kiza, you got most of it right, except for 2 things. The plane was MIG-25 and the pilot was Ukrainian.

    • Replies: @Kiza
  96. Kiza says:

    Well, I typed completely out of my memory, should have done a duckduckgo search first, I guess. Thanks for correcting me. See I was close on who stole the plane away, it was someone from one of the nations of eternal victims: Poles, Ukrainians, Baltic nationals.

  97. annamaria says:

    Obama and his crowd “doth protest too much” re wiring the Trump Tower:
    “1. The Intelligence Community – at the direction of President Obama – made a request to a FISA court for the NSA to spy on Donald Trump in June 216. It was denied.
    2. In October the Intelligence Community (NSA) – at the direction of President Obama – made a second request to the FISA court for the NSA to spy on Donald Trump. It was approved.
    3. At around the same time (October), as the second request to FISA, (Def Sec) Ash Carter and (DNI) James Clapper tell President Obama to dump NSA Director Mike Rogers.
    4. A week after the election, Mike Rogers makes a trip to Trump Tower without telling his superior, James Clapper; which brings about new calls (November media leaks to WaPo) for President Obama to dump Mike Rogers.
    Occam’s Razor. NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers didn’t want to participate in the spying scheme (Clapper, Brennan, Etc.), which was the baseline for President Obama’s post presidency efforts to undermine Donald Trump and keep Trump from digging into the Obama labyrinth underlying his remaining loyalists.”

    • Replies: @Kiza
  98. Kiza says:

    Most interesting. This would mean that the coup against the elected next Government of US has started as soon as the elections results were announced. It is the same pattern as ‘color revolutions’ overseas.

  99. annamaria says:

    “It is the same pattern as ‘color revolutions’ overseas.”

    They are killing themselves with their own sword.

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