Trump is a quisling.

Quisling is a great word.

It is mysterious that Trump has collapsed in the face of so little resistance as opposed to mere bad press.

Can we hope he wants to be good cop next to Sessions’ bad cop?

But many dreamers will likely become criminals given their penchant for gang activity and other crimes. Young Latinos males are fueling the gang problem throughout the nation.

Trump broke yet another promise as he repeatedly told his crowds that ending DACA “would be a priority on day one”. F*cking liar. I say that because he probably knew it all along and knowingly lied to us. I don’t buy the argument that he “evolved” after assuming office which is just another way of saying we got played.

Is Trump gay?

I think he must be.

He keeps emoting and crying over babies.

I though I knew the meaning of contempt. I didn’t up till now.

What’s zradometer?

Trump will probably build some kind of Mexican barrier, but legal immigration will stay high and refugee intake will not slacken appreciably. The racial replacement/dispossession will continue and probably accelerate.

Daddy isn’t coming to save us. Daddy isn’t even on our side. It’s up to us now.

I didn’t have a lot of confidence in a billionaire NY real estate developer, but the speed and extext of his caving have surprised even me. And he’s not even made an attempt to camouflage his betrayal.

It took the perfect storm of events to get this guy elected. It’s hard to imagine a better shot than this one to make a real change.

The Trump die hard supporters were defending his Syria action as some kind of super genius move, no doubt some will even defend his support for amnesty, but I am hoping the number of people still defending him after this will drop. The question I have for all the loyalists, is there any betrayal that would cause you to reject Trump or are you going to support him no matter what he does ?

Trump doesn’t like the idea of deporting people who are fully acculturated, who look at the US as their home. Unlike the rest of us, he gives the orders–he is the person who has to bear the guilt and shame of going against his conscience, and it seems that he is unwilling to deport law-abiding people who talk and act just like the rest of us. I think backtracking on this simply shows that he is a mensch. But he is still committed to the Wall, and he still wants to deport criminals–he is still the man my family voted for. Though I continue to hope for some action to discourage chain migration, and an end to birth-right citizenship for illegals.

Which Roman would Trump be? Caesar, Nero, Caligula, some other? Can he play an instrument, does he have any horses?

But he is still committed to the Wall, and he still wants to deport criminals–he is still the man my family voted for. Though I continue to hope for some action to discourage chain migration, and an end to birth-right citizenship for illegals.

How naive can you be?

I continue to hope for some action

Is your support for Trump unconditional? Doesn’t that make you a classic sucker?

What is the line he would have to cross? It sounds like you would also support a full amnesty if he promises to “secure the border.”

Which Roman would Trump be?

Hadrian.

Is Trump gay?

I think he must be.

I don’t think so, but he is low-T, which could explain his occasional sentimentality:

I brought up this example to refute your earlier point, that only “manly” men could protect Western Civilization. Trump has many, many flaws, no doubt about it, but because of his lower testosterone levels and his other attributes ( for the connection of IQ, testosterone, etc. to genius see details here: https://www.unz.com/jthompson/isteve-metrics/#comment-1823832 ) he is Western Civilization’s best chance at survival, in my opinion

– https://www.unz.com/jthompson/tomster-on-marriage/#comment-1839462

Trump’s “alt-right” fans have an odd fixation with testosterone levels, which is why it’s ironic that while Trump’s level is within the “healthy” range, it is below the average level of 679, and even below the norm for his age, which is 524.

– https://www.unz.com/jthompson/tomster-on-marriage/#comment-1839604

This is Trump to a T, in my opinion:

A politician who self-described as having a “Democrat heart with a Republican head,” Nelson Rockefeller would be something of a political anomaly today.

– https://www.unz.com/article/the-battles-of-berkeley-someone-is-going-to-get-killed-where-is-trump/#comment-1840339

The question I have for all the loyalists, is there any betrayal that would cause you to reject Trump or are you going to support him no matter what he does ?

I look at the whole behavior, not individual acts.

Young immigrants brought to the U.S. as children and now here illegally can “rest easy,” President Donald Trump

As a Europe-based European, I might be missing something here, but I think that’s how it should be.
If illegal immigrants want* to stay, they should.
Otherwise law enforcement should go from door to door hunting down illegals in hiding, possibly tens or hundreds of thousands of them,
– leading to brutal scenes, including bloodshed,
-> ruining the image of his presidency catastrophically and probably forever
-> disabling him on every other front
I mean the opposite of what he is doing would have been the stupid. Trying to directly eliminate the illegal immigration would be so self-defeating as to amount to treasonous.

* If there is any way to kick them out, it should be indirect: eliminating incentives for them to stay.
It’s excellent that DJT exploits his present situation of relative impotence to present himself as humane.

Explicit anti-illegal immigration stance would be also stupid and self-defeating as it would ignore Ron Unz’s suggestion about the immigration issue:

I had a series of personal meetings with the editorial boards of most of California’s leading mainstream/liberal newspapers. One issue I repeatedly raised was that *legal* immigration was much too high and should be drastically reduced. Naturally, I expected massive push-back—but got absolutely none.But I’m absolutely sure if I had attacked *illegal* immigration, the response would have been icy hostility….
It took me a while to digest such a surprising reaction, and it led me to spend hours on the phone with some of the top national anti-immigration figures, discovering that they were just as surprised and intrigued by the idea as I had been. ….
It may sound bizarre, but I think there’s the strong potential for a natural political alliance between pro-immigrant Democrats and anti-immigration Republicans, with the pro-immigration Republicans like Paul Ryan and the Koch Brothers being the odd-men out.
https://www.unz.com/freed/ok-now-what/#comment-1646524

Unz: As I said, I spent hours on the phone discussing it with some of the top anti-immigration leaders, who seemed just as intrigued as I was. These are some of the people who have a great deal of contact and influence with the main anti-immigration figures in the Trump campaign…..
https://www.unz.com/freed/ok-now-what/#comment-1647223

On the one hand, Trump tells us he is going to enforce the law and that if we don’t have laws, we don’t have a country. On the other hand and after he gets in office, he starts selectively enforcing the laws and spouting nonsense like “We’re not going after the dreamers we’re going after criminals.” That is about like saying “WE aren’t going after good guys who rob banks to give that money to their families and the poor, we are going after the criminals.”

Anyone who came here illegally has to leave. If an infant came here illegally 15 years ago, the law was broken and they have to be deported.

How about America for Americans, America First, all that Mr. Trump? He sure seems to be forgetting a lot of promises he made to get himself elected.

Who cares if they are fully acculturated whatever that means…The Dreamers=Highly Racialized Nonwhite Democratic Party Voting Bloc..

America is not an abstract proposition Nation…America will either be highly racialized nonwhite majority…or highly racialized Native Born White American Majority…

Poles, Russians, Italians, Iberians, Balkanians and Greeks are not Americans.

“Our posterity” are the English, Scottish and Dutch descendants of the founding fathers.

And don’t give me the old “they’re white, they assimilated” bullshit. Assimilation does not happen. EVER.

Your not able to distinguish between Europeans and non-Europeans?

Your nasty agenda is rapid racial transformation of the US via importing nonwhite LEGAL IMMIGRANTS…which of course I reject.

The Greeks…the post-1965 Greeks should never have been allowed in…they pass their Mexican slave labor costs off to the Historic Native Born White American Working Class…

Sachem Quality of life was led by a Patriotic Polish American….Ray Wymerishki who has since passed away.

Correction:Sachem Quality of life was led by Ray Wysolmierski…and two very patriotic Working Class Italian American Women…

I know many Italian American Engineers who are in a rage state over the importation of Chinese…Hindu…Pakistani..Korean…Legal Immigrant Engineers=SCAB LABOR…

At the grassroots level…Working Class Italian Americans are at the wave front of opposition to importing nonwhite Legal Immigrant Scab Labor…

And I can also tell you that the Poles in Utica NY are outraged by the colonization of Utica NY by Bill Clinton’s Bosnian Muslims…

And don’t forget the late great Samuel Gompers…the Jewish Socialist labor leader who…along with Socialist labor leader Dennis Kearney….gave us the WONDERFULL 1882 Chinese Legal Immigrant Exclusion Act!!!

Weird how the largest American nationality is on neither of your lists.

I don’t give a flaming fuck. They shouldn’t be upset over anything. They aren’t real Americans. They have to go back.

Weird how you alt-righters conveniently forget how the founding fathers (well, Ben Franklin at least) felt about the Germans:

http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/document/letter-to-peter-collinson/

Anyone who came here illegally has to leave. If an infant came here illegally 15 years ago, the law was broken and they have to be deported.

Yes, but what is the actual point of doing this? If it is just to stress the majesty and immutable nature of the law, remember that laws are changed all the time, usually because corporations and their lobbyists pay off politicians to do so, so there is nothing sacrosanct about the law.

We are all in this together and we all profit from it in some way, even if we don’t personally hire illegal nannies and gardners who pay sales taxes and make phone calls that help make profits for the corporations that our pension funds invest in.

And so the Trump Reeducation Project is completed. It’s over, folks, we and our civilization are doomed.

Thank you for this great comment! I strongly agree. I have suspected for a while, that Mr. Unz’s article might have found its way into the White House, somehow:

A “Grand Bargain” on Immigration Reform?
An alliance of pro-immigrant Democrats and anti-immigration Republicans could finally fix our broken system
https://www.unz.com/runz/a-grand-bargain-on-immigration-reform-2/

Dealing Humanely with Illegal Immigrants

A much higher minimum wage combined with strengthened immigration enforcement measures should be able to reduce future illegal immigration to minimal levels, while large, permanent cuts in legal immigration should eliminate the population pressure driving America toward becoming a low-wage society and reducing the quality-of-life for American workers.

But any agreement on these necessary longer-term policies would also have to deal humanely with millions of existing undocumented residents, who had arrived during an era when the government did not seriously enforce its immigration laws.

Any politically viable proposal would need to offer permanent residency and perhaps eventual citizenship [this is the only point I disagree with; a path to citizenship should not be part of a deal; maybe there could be some kind of special permanent residency status for these individuals, except, that they would never get the ”right to vote” or hold political offices in the U.S.; the same rule/status should apply to ”anchor babies” ] to individuals who have already lived in the United States for many years, had no criminal record, and possessed strong ties to the local community, such as American-born family members.

Meanwhile, a large hike in the minimum wage and stronger employment enforcement laws would eliminate the jobs of many of lower-skilled immigrant workers too recently arrived to qualify for a change in status. Such existing illegal residents should be offered free transportation back to their home countries, together with a generous one-time cash settlement, perhaps as high as $5,000 or even $10,000 per adult, encouraging them to come forward and accept permanent deportation, an investment that would be very cost-effective for the American taxpayer. (Naturally such payments would require a written commitment not to return, enforced by serious criminal penalties.) With their jobs having disappeared, it seems likely that most of the more recently arrived immigrants would find such a financial offer very attractive, completely obviating the need for any harsh federal “deportation force.”

There will always be a demand for illegal workers, because the cost of hiring US workers, giving them health insurance, paying social security tax for them, getting workers comp insurance, and so on will make lots of businesses unviable.

For example household cleaning services can only charge so much before homeowners will turn elsewhere–probably to freelance illegals. So it is better to hire illegals, pay them cash, and fire them at will than to hire obese US citizens who can’t work anyway and who get a worker’s comp injury on the day after the first pay day.

Really we should all be grateful to illegal workers for doing so much for so little.

With their jobs having disappeared, it seems likely that most of the more recently arrived immigrants would find such a financial offer very attractive, completely obviating the need for any harsh federal “deportation force.”

Exactly, and while we are about it. why not offer incentives to worthless US citizens and prison inmates to emigrate to Australia, Liberia, Tierra del Fuego, Syria, Iraq, North Korea, Siberia, or Greenland and sign a form to say they will never come back alive. We could also ask for volunteers to form a colony at the North Pole. (With global warming, it is not as chilly as what it once was.)

Someone will design an app for this and become a billionaire.

This is a matter of racial dispossession and replacement. These predominantly Mestizo invaders are not and never can be compatible with the Anglo-Celtic-Germanic peoples who founded and built the United States. Allowing them to stay will hasten the dispossession and eventually the likely genocide of people of European origin in the United States. Whites in the U.S. will in the position of whites in Brazil by 2050 and the position of Whites in South Africa by 2100.

Or they could buy smaller homes and clean them themselves. Cleaning services are for offices, not homes! Or maybe mothers could take care of their own children and not hire Guatemalan nannies. Or maybe men could cut their own grass and prune their own trees. The home services industry that has at its base low-paid legal or illegal invaders can simply be eliminated.

Nerdraaaage!! 🙂

Yes you’re right. All American workers are obese and quit after the first week. Very intelligent and well-informed comment.

Whites in the U.S. will in the position of whites in Brazil by 2050 and the position of Whites in South Africa by 2100.

That’s a far too optimistic estimate. At the current rate of demographic change and with current immigration levels whites in the U.S. will find themselves in the position of S. African whites no later than 2050.

So, they belong on the not Murkan list, then?

“zrada” is betrayal, and hence…

“This is a matter of racial dispossession and replacement.”

Which is a global, historical phenomenon.

“These predominantly Mestizo invaders are not and never can be compatible with the Anglo-Celtic-Germanic peoples who founded and built the United States.”

Why do you lie on this matter repeatedly? First, the United States was founded by various Europeans. Second, the United States was built in part by those Europeans who exploited tribal groups and brought over forced labor (African slaves). Why didn’t plantation owners themselves tend to the fields? Third, the concepts of “life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness” are compatible to human beings.

Now, unless you are able to directly trace your ancestors on your mother’s and father’s side to the English founders, YOU are not an American. The venerable Vox Day, your leader of the Vile Faceless Minions, stated clearly that “this is why it was never possible for the USA to survive as Constitutional nation respecting the Rights of Englishmen once non-English people were permitted to become citizens. No other people shared the Englishman’s view of the law. The Northern Europeans didn’t grasp the concept of its theoretical limits. The Southern Europeans saw it as a racket to benefit the powerful and the well-connected. The Jews and Irish saw it as a game to be exploited for the benefit of their tribes.”

In essence, you are a Fake American. You must go back.

“Allowing them to stay will hasten the dispossession and eventually the likely genocide of people of European origin in the United States. Whites in the U.S. will in the position of whites in Brazil by 2050 and the position of Whites in South Africa by 2100.”

You can only speculate here. Moreover, must all white Americans adhere to your line of thinking? Are they not capable of making their own decisions regarding race?

Incentives to emigrate are actually a very good idea, although the places to which the emigrants go have to agree to the scheme. France offered such incentives in the past but, unfortunately the Spanish and Portuguese took the incentives, and the Arabs didn’t. A similar program in the United States would need to offer the incentives only to the least productive citizens and residents; this would, of course, produce, um, racially disparatet results.

What will you do with their parents? Are you going to let them stay and have a virtual amnesty for the whole family?

They can be deported at work and at school if we want to, and it won’t hurt Trump at all/ The media will howl and Americans will approve.

They are net tax users and always will be. How does importing such people make sense? Let Mexico and the Mexican elite tax themselves to pay for them.

There will always be a demand for illegal workers,

And there can be a place for those employers – jail or the bankruptcy court.

“America will either be highly racialized nonwhite majority…or highly racialized Native Born White American Majority”

Total BS. As others, including John Derbyshire, have pointed out, the toothpaste is out of the tube, we ARE a multicultural society. The haters, both white and non-white, might wish for civil war, but nobody with an IQ above college-level will go that way. We have institutions that allow for dealing with diversity: equality under the law; markets that value goods for utility and labor for instrumentality; meritocratic bureaucracies. Just allow these institutions to function as they should, and all will be well. Your proposal for ethnic cleansing is mean-spirited, unnecessary, and unintelligent. Go back to AmRen.

Noticed you added Dutch. Were your ancestors Dutch instead of English?

I never really agreed with Trump’s platform nor did I trust him, he is a crass decadent capitalist with a strong loyalty to Israel (which explains his Islamophobia) but I can’t help for feel bad for his supporters. They invested so much time and so much hope, they nearly started an idolatrous cult around this man, and he’s turned out to be nothing other than a more ill mannered version of George W. Bush.

Quisling means traitor, that is “one who commits treason.”

In order to commit treason, to betray [X] you have to have once had loyalty to [X] that you’ve broken.

Trump was never loyal to the likes of you, he played the white, angry masses of America like fools. The establishment knew that they’d win either way, but with Trump they’d be able to do whatever they wanted since he has no philosophy of governing and they’d be able to openly plunder the state since he has no sense of propriety.

Anyone who hires illegals for more than 3 days had better have work men’s comp insurance.

Illegals get work men’s comp just like any legal worker. Nor can you get out of it by claiming you fired them 5 minutes before they got hurt. There are tens of thousands of attorneys who will make sure you and your regular home owners insurance company pays for injured workers no matter their legal status.

Many cities and counties are sick and tired of employers without work men’s comp insurance dumping injured employees on the county health system. So the city and county attorneys are going after the employees to pay the cost

Speaking of obese have you actually seen the illegal Hispanic Indian women? 4ft 11 220 pds is the average size.