Unz is either kidding or … The only hispanics he knows are the ones he employs at his gated estate. Or the hispanics like Julian Castro that got thru Stanford on affirmative action.

Almost a third of all federal prisoners are hispanic. 42% in Calif.
Almost half of new prisoners are hispanic.
About 20% of the US is hispanic

Retired’s numbers validate the claim that Hispanics have a somewhat higher, but not order of magnitude higher, crime rate.

I speak Spanish and I’ve dated Hispanic women. I know what they will let their men get away with.

If I notice that a Latina is checking boarding passes, I can get on the flight as soon as anyone can. I just say something like, “My God my feet hurt! I hope it’s okay for me to board now, I’m so tired!” And she will smile and say, “go ahead.”

I accept that the data says different, but my experience with Latin culture from Columbia to Mexico is that it doesn’t care much for stated policies and rules. At every level from school to the DMV, I see Hispanics ignoring the law. What they do believe in is the patron/client system. When an Hispanic gains control of any institution, business or government, he uses it to return and to earn favors. The majority Hispanic recipients of these perks don’t report them to the police.

Another example, when Spanish speaking census takers hear an obvious Guatemalan-accented resident of Texas say he was born in Virginia, he will dutifully write that down, even when it is very very unlikely to be the truth. The census taker essentially doesn’t care and to the extent he does, he wants what he’s recording to be the truth.

America has not yet developed a metric for civic integrity. Hispanics may not commit violence much more than whites — although that’s hard for me to believe — but they erode the institutions and culture that keep it to a minimum. If stats don’t show that, my random sample of Latino acquaintances is six sigmas off the mean.

Which allows us to (very roughly) estimate rates of committing violent crime, using victim surveys and thus avoiding some of the problems with arrest and conviction rates:

Whites 14 per 1,000
Blacks 40 per 1,000
Hispanics 18 per 1,000

Blacks are only 2.9x more likely to commit violent crimes as whites? Why does that diverge so differently from publications like “The Color of Crime”? According to them, “Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery.”

http://www.colorofcrime.com/2005/10/the-color-of-crime-2005/

Which is it? 3x more likely to commit violent crime or around 7 or 8 times?

The problem with trying to figure out what the crime rate 27 year old Hispanics will have when they are 40 is that the vast majority of Hispanic crime revolves around street and prison gangs. The really hard core cases will still likely be in prison at 40 and if not will be in some way affiliated with their gang. Their gang will likely be dealing drugs and anybody involved will be in the business and expected to defend it if necessary.

Just like that recent case of the 21 year old ex-army member who came home to Sylmar and was killed by an 18 year old gang member, the 18 year old did not likely do it on his own. You cannot own a handgun in California if you are less than 21, He likely got the gun from an older gang member who tasked him with the killing.

In Chicago there’s a large number of Hispanic gangs with a bewildering variety of names. They engage in less shooting than the black gangs probably because of better discipline, knowing that such things create retaliation and heat which is bad for business. They have their respective areas carved out and act accordingly. Chicago is a major hub for the US drug traffic, drugs coming up from Mexico in large quantities and going into the Hispanic areas where it’s stashed and broken down for distribution. For example, eleven tons of marijuana coming up from Mexico was seized in 2010 in just one raid. That’s quite a bit and that’s just what was captured; imagine what gets through. Tons come into the Mexican neighborhoods and yet no one there sees anything, hears anything or says anything, just like the three monkeys? It’s obvious many seemingly legitimate people and businesses there are involved.
There’s a difference between organized and disorganized crime. The former run and protect rackets such as the drug trade, chop shops, etc, the latter do muggings and thefts of various kinds. Here’s a couple websites to look at:
heyjackass.com
homicides.redeyechicago.com
Amazingly, the second one is run by a major newspaper and yet they don’t know what a Hispanic is; they are all listed as white so one has to look at the names to get the picture. Then check the percentage of Hispanics in the various prisons and jails around the country. What does it all look like?

It’s partly age and gender.

Violent crime is skewed to young males.

Mass immigration is skewed to young males.

PC types can’t handle the obvious conclusion so we get drowned in BS instead.

A lot of it has to with physicality and temperament.

A lot of ‘Hispanics’ from Mexico are short and mild-tempered. They are not big, strong, and mean like the Negroes be.

From the Color of Crime:

“Blacks are certainly more likely to be arrested than other groups. According to the Uniform Crime Reports (UCR), blacks accounted for 27 percent of arrests in 2002, even though they were only 13 per-cent of the population, whereas whites and Hispanics (W&H) accounted for 71 percent of arrests, but were 81 percent of the population. This means that when all crime categories are added together, blacks were more than twice as likely to be arrested as W&H. Blacks were four times more likely to be arrested for violent crimes, and no fewer than eight times more likely to be arrested for robbery.”

See this FBI data, murder and robbery were the crimes with the highest proportions of Blacks arrested, 49.4% and 54.9%, compared to 28.1% of overall arrests. (The only crime with a higher proportion was “gambling”)

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/43tabledatadecoverviewpdf

Interesting, thanks. Since there are 30x as many aggravated assaults as murder/manslaughter, and all get lumped into “violent crime,” the category gets dominated by aggravated assault.

If you don’t trust crime stastistics, you can use other sources.

Who Gets Shot in America?
Rate of Male Firearm Assault Injury Hospital Use per 100,000 (males age 15-34)

(blue is Black, black is Hispanic, whiite is White.)

California:
White 40.3
Black 683.2
Hispanic 173.3
Black / White = 17.0
Hispanic / White = 4.3

Wisconsin:
Black / White = 74.9
Black / Hispanic = 14.3

New Jersey:
Black / White = 98.4
Black / Hispanic = 17.2

There’s one problem with Hispanic crime statistics:

Juan Carlos Marizcal
race: White

If I told you what state I live in (I won’t) most of you would think murder is an abstract notion to me. My state is far more white than most other states, and largely rural. And you would probably be astonished to find out that I’ve known three different people (all white) who were murdered on three separate occasions – two by Hispanic (or Hispanic gang) killers, one by a black. Of the people murdered, one was a coworker, one was a business acquaintance and one was a neighbor. They didn’t know each other and their killings are separated by decades. All of the killings were entirely anonymous. All of the killers are in prison.

Yes, that’s anecdotal. But when the anecdotal and the statistical are too far removed, something’s wrong. In a state as white as mine, I ought to have had acquaintances killed by white murderers.

nonsense

you can just look at middle and high school suspension rates, juvenile detention rates, prison population %s, etc.

https://z139.wordpress.com/2013/07/30/dont-his-panic-in-tables/

in psychology there is something called the “totality of evidence” rule

a while back Unz was also arguing that third generation Hispanics underperformed NH whites in measures of general cognitive ability by only 0.33 SD– based on one data point!

get out of here

Texas is 38% Hispanic.
If the Hispanic crime rate is as low as is claimed here,
what are the odds that that 9 out 10 of the 10 Most Wanted Fugitives in Texas
would have Hispanic surnames?
(Though of course, all those listed are described by the TDPS as ‘white’.)

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/Texas10MostWanted/fugitives.aspx

Have the Hispanic/white crime statistics been corrected to address
the deliberate misreporting of these ne’er-do-well’s ethnicities.

Hi Ron,

It’s nice to hear from you too! I didn’t delete my blog (which I linked to above), rather I relocated it and changed its name. I have not been able to figure out how to redirect the old links for free, so I have not. Might you know of a way?

As for the Mexican IQ issue, you continue to make up stories about me deleting posts to e.g., “hide” my “humiliation”. (If I recall correctly, I deleted a post because I wanted to rewrite the content, which I did). But you say, “Then, in 2013, he published…”

You are evading my critique. As you know, I am not a dogmatic “race realist”; and I have been very critical of ethnic/racial hereditarianism (or whatever we wish to call Lynn-like positions).

My problem was and is primarily with your and others’ tendency to, argument depending, ignore the totality of the evidence, make statistically unjustified claims, support expansive claims with weak data, and extrapolate from a narrow slice of data. I recently criticized Chanda Chisala for doing the second to last in his recent Unz Review article as he, incredibly, rested much of his argument on results from a tiny unrepresentative sample.

Now, undoubtedly, some of the positions which you have argued against are supported by even worse arguments (judged in terms of soundness). But I don’t grade on a curve; and I expect either strong claims to be supported by strong evidence or in absence of strong evidence, claims to be appropriately qualified and nuanced. Is it too much to ask for quality — not just clever — arguments when it comes to relatively important issues?

(Regarding the Hispanic-social deviance issue, specifically, proponents of the no-NHW-H difference position have a lot of explaining to do. Why, for example, if the claim is true, do we see such large juvenile detention/infraction rate differences? Here individuals are conveniently matched on age and are mostly (around 80 to 90%) born in the U.S.A.)

Sean Last has this to say about your hispanic crime theory:
”
The Unz article on Hispanic crime had so many problems it’s mind boggling.

The most interesting attack on his article came from Jason Richwine back when he worked for AEI. He found that the DOJ report Unz was relying on to estimate Hispanic incarceration rates lead to two very different estimates depending on which table you relied on. Richwine called the DOJ and they said that the tables were based on different, undisclosed, contradictory source material. Once this was revealed Richwine and Unz both agreed that the report was unreliable. Richwine made use of census data on who was living in prison to estimate that Hispanics committed crime at 1.8 times the rate that whites do. Unz attempted to argue that his initial data-set was validated by numbers compiled by the PPI in CA showing that, after Unz adjusted the data for age, the hispanic/white crime ratio was only 1.1 But then Richwine showed that the data was already adjusted for age, Unz was just too stupid to realize it, and that the ratio was actually 1.5 which was very close to the ratio that the census data showed for CA (1.54). Thus, Richwine, and not Unz, had his data set validated. So the best national estimate of the ratio from that discussion 1.8.

And then there was the actual process of adjusting for age. Unz doesn’t seem to know how to do it. He got the basic math wrong. IIRC, he divided the total number of crimes commit by a race by the number of young people that race contained. This is laughable as was noted by several commentators at the time.

Moreover, if you look at the DOJ document “Prisoners in 2013”, table 8, you will see that the hispanic/white crime rate is higher if we just look at people aged 20-24 rather than the whole populations! This means that Unz’s method of “controlling for age” made hispanics look less criminal, relative to whites, than they actually are. It also suggests that the common talking about about controlling for age is bunk.

Unz’s article also claimed that the proportion of Hispanics in a city didn’t correlate with crime levels in the city. At the time, race realists correctly pointed out that this could be because the fewer Hispanics a city has the more blacks it tended to have. But since then we have learned that Unz’s correlation analysis was totally unreliable. We learned this because in 2012 Unz did the same analysis again and got completely different results which showed that the proportion of Hispanics in a city did correlate with its crime rate!”

http://therightstuff.biz/2015/07/14/the-daily-shoah-episode-41-standard-comb-over/#comment-2137120960

Blacks are only 2.9x more likely to commit violent crimes as whites? Why does that diverge so differently from publications like “The Color of Crime”? According to them, “Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery.”

http://www.colorofcrime.com/2005/10/the-color-of-crime-2005/

Which is it? 3x more likely to commit violent crime or around 7 or 8 times?

If you want the murder rates, go look them up (combined violent crime rate is not the murder rate).

The race & crime argument is as old as the hills. Pretty much everything’s been asked and answered a million times. Non-fatal violent crimes are far easier to “depolice” or “book cook” out of existence. A body’s a body, and the state has to fix blame. There’s very little the state can do to make it go away, except its duty.

It also suggests that the common talking about about controlling for age is bunk.

It certainly is when it comes to immigration, because we’re getting what we’re getting, not “controlling for age.”