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Forty-nine people were killed in shootings at two mosques in central Christchurch, New Zealand, on Friday, in a terrorist attack that Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern described as “an extraordinary and unprecedented act of violence.”

• Officials said that one man in his late 20s had been charged with murder, and that two explosive devices were found attached to a vehicle that they had stopped.

• A Muslim leader in New Zealand said the attack was especially shocking as it took place around Friday Prayer. The police urged people to stay away from the mosques until further notice.

• A gunman streamed a live video of the attack on Facebook, and he appeared to have posted a manifesto online.

Two mosques are attacked

Shots were fired at Al Noor Mosque on Deans Avenue in the center of the city and at Linwood Mosque, about three miles away, the police said.

The country’s police commissioner, Mike Bush, said in an evening news conference that 41 people had been killed at Al Noor Mosque and seven at Linwood Mosque, and that another victim had died at Christchurch Hospital.

David Meates, the chief executive of the Canterbury District Health Board, said that 48 people, including young children, were being treated for injuries at the hospital. He said the injuries included gunshot wounds and ranged from critical to minor.

The police said that four people, including three men and one woman, had been taken into custody. Prime Minister Scott Morrison of Australia said that one of them was Australian.

Mr. Bush said that a man in his late 20s had been charged with murder and would appear in Christchurch court on Saturday morning. A number of firearms were recovered from the scenes of the shootings, he said.

Of the three others who were detained, the police commissioner said that one might have had nothing to do with the attack and that the police were working to determine how the other two might have been involved.

 
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  1. The manifesto can be found using Google, and is not in any way persuasive. Killing innocent people will never achieve anything.

    The manifesto refers to a video posted on Facebook by the Otago Muslim Association:

    Was there any reason you attacked that(those) mosque(s) in particular?
    Originally the mosque in Dunedin was the main target,particularly after watching the video on their facebook page named “Otago muslim association”
    https://www.facebook.com/Otago-Muslim-Association-206778229358786/

    The video war entitled “Very interesting video. Only for Muslims. Please do not redistribute” that proved their knowledge of their actions, and their guilt.

    https://www.facebook.com/206778229358786/videos/451628238207116/

    But after visiting the mosques in Christchurch and Linwood and seeing the desecration of the church that had been converted to a mosque in Ashburton, my plans changed.

    The video has been removed. Does anyone have a copy? I can only find a brief fake on bitchute.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @upsidedown
    , @mh505
    , @jansen
  2. EVROPA says:

    I understand perfectly what he feels but what is the point to kill unarmed civilians, if you want to send a clear message there are thousands of globalist and traitorous rats that deserve it much more.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    , @Anonymous
  3. Forty nine Bangladeshis would still be alive if they had stayed in Bangladesh. Why were they there?

  4. anon[393] • Disclaimer says:
    @James N. Kennett

    BULLSHIT

    The reality is Violence solves everything always has always will as long as there is one person, make that lifeform left on earth willing to use violence, violence will continue to be the lowest and highest common denominator for all change or lack of change. Violence or implied or potential violence is what makes the world go round its what drives evolution.

    Thats not to say the alleged goals of the Breviks and Mcveigh’s are best served at this time by terrorist acts.
    But thats also not to say the Breviks etal are not correct that the european peoples throughout the world are being led to their slaughter by cucks traitors and jews using proxy armies of browns.And that ultimately only violence will stop our destruction, and that our destruction is almost at hand.

    To win the war more whites will need to fight than are currently willing to fight and maybe more importantly even more whites will have to be willing to not interfere in that fight. How to change those hearts and minds is debatable. One way might be to support as extreme leftism as you can in the hopes the left does its recruiting for you. another option is do nothing but prepare for a civil war plan supply train etc knowing one day its inevitable and you will have thought about and prepared how to win it. another way iis to employ the tactics they use the lefts propaganda and sabotage the deep states false flags etc another is target whites in a civil war not browns this is less likely to trigger the cucks ito further treason for holiness and the browns are not likely to get involved in a white war instead they will self deport hoping to come back except the blacks who will riot on the urban leftists, which brings to ind another tactic like in atlas shrugged bring on the economic collapse through things like trading and information dissemination
    one thing to keep in mind is while the cucks and jews are a bigger problem than the browns they are too few to really worry about once the will is found, but that process will leave our flank temporarily exposed to our true enemy the Han chinese grante it is the cucks and globalist jews who have empowered the Han to the point they are an actual threat nevertheless for the time being they are and they ought to be counted on trying to capitalize on a white war so be ready to fight on two fronts, this is one reason wrecking the world economy which is a potemkin village anyway is a good way forward the slants are in the worst shape and will have their own problems if that’s done first, t will also shut down welfare which will encourage the browns to self deport and the blacks to kill the closest whites who will be cucks and jews. that in turn will force the police to flee to their families in the suburbs and contain the cities along with the military out of the cities the uniformed forces will find themselves on the side of whites and outnumbered by them as well.
    this is not fantasy whats fantasy is to think the white race is just going to delete itself because a bunch of jews and faggots tells them to thats absurd the only to things that have stopped this war so far is many whites till now could still avoid the divershitty with money or exit thats changed. and because whites are smart enough to understand how destructive a war will be so hoped it could be avoided but now with the jew york times regularly calling for the genocide of whites its pretty hard to deny a non violent solution is hopeless

  5. @anon

    Anders was a masonic supporter of the Israeli state. He massacred his own fellow white youth while they were in the midst of a gathering protesting Israeli crimes. This mass murderer was correct about nothing.

    • Agree: ariadna, L.K
  6. Asagirian says: • Website

    Like clockwork. Here we go again.

    Jewish Power makes white Christians invade and destroy Muslim nations. Jewish-controlled US also used terrorists to tear Libya, Iraq, and Syria apart. Those ‘moderate rebels’ and ‘freedom fighters’ were reconstituted Alqaeda. US entered the Middle East in the name of War on Terror to destroy Alqaeda… only to ally with Alqaeda against Assad and Iran.

    But Jewish Power’s perfidy didn’t end there. Not only did Jews incite hatred against ‘Muzzies’ with Hollywood movies and TV shows — where most Muslims are terrorists — , thus inspiring white Christians to join the military to blow up the Muslim World(in wars for Israel), it then shed crocodile tears for Muslim refugees displaced by the war and pressured the West to take them in(along with ISIS elements). Thus, whites invaded Muslim nations over there AND Muslims invaded white nations over here. Meanwhile, Jews sit back and laugh at dumb goy fighting dumb goy.

    When will people ever learn? When will whites and Muslims come to an understanding that their conflict has been engineered by Globalist Zioinsts?
    But dummy whites just can’t resist all those action movies and TV shows were Muzzies are Evil Villains who need to be blown up. As whites must suppress their anxieties about blacks, diversity, and Jews, they vent their spleen on the ‘muzzies’, and this is useful to Jewish power since Zionist supremacism needs whites to invade and smash Muslim nations.

    As for Muslims, they can’t stop their idiocy either. Instead of putting sectarian conflicts aside, they fight Sunni vs Shia and clan vs clan, and Jewish power exploits this and exploits Muslims vs Muslims. And in the name of ‘human rights’, the Jewish-controlled US intervenes in the Middle East in the name of ‘saving’ or ‘protecting’ one bunch of Muslims against another. Why did US destroy Libya? Something about protecting innocents from Gaddafi. Why is US still in Syria? Something about protecting Kurds. I wonder why US doesn’t occupy West Bank to protect Palestinians from Zionists.

    Also, another reason why Muslims, the main victims of Jewish supremacism, cannot see eye-to-eye with whites is the temptation of immigration. Even as Jews smash the Muslim world, they offer free tickets to Muslims to come and resettle in the West. So, even as Muslims loathe Jewish power, they collaborate with it just to come to the West for better material lives.

    So, Jews will go on using white dummies to destroy Muslim nations and using Muslim dummies as ‘immigrants’ to protect from ‘Islamophic white Christians’… even though Jewish Hollywood is the main purveyor of anti-Muslim hatred.

    https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/la-et-hollywood-values-updates-how-hollywood-s-muslim-portrayals-1483650479-htmlstory.html

    • Agree: utu, renfro, mark green, Wally
    • Replies: @anonymous
  7. Childless, baby-hating, contraception and abortion-loving white terrorists imagine they’ll defeat fertile Islam with bullets.

    You lost long ago when you rejected the Bible.

    “All those who hate Me love death” (Proverbs 8:36).

    Large, true Christian families are nearly extinct. That’s the crisis!

    The mass murder in New Zealand is a devil’s gift. It will result in the killing of Christians in the Middle East, sub-Saharan Africa, Pakistan, Indonesia, the Philippines etc.

    2019 is the 800th anniversary of St. Francis of Assisi’s gracious reception by the Sultan of Egypt who hosted him for several days of talks and fellowship.

    Mutual understanding and peace between Muslim and Christian prevailed in the Middle East in the 19th and 20th centuries prior to the conquests of war-Zionism.

    (The exception is Saudi Wahhabist theology which has parallels with the Talmudic Israeli-settler ideology with which the Saudis and their theological stepsons in ISIS, are covertly allied).

  8. @anon

    “BULLSHIT

    The reality is Violence solves everything always has always will as long as there is one person, make that lifeform left on earth willing to use violence, violence will continue to be the lowest and highest common denominator for all change or lack of change.”

    He said: “Killing innocent people will never achieve anything” (anything “good” I presume). Which it won’t.

    If violence is to be used it must be used against the proper targets (e.g. morally culpable aggressors, corrupt politicians, etc.). Mass-murdering random people in a mosque is not a reasonable/morally proper use of violence.

  9. Hillbob says:
    @Joseph Doaks

    What a despicable piece of shit you are.

  10. @Hillbob

    How so? Were they citizens, permanent residents, or temporary workers? It’s a legitimate question.

    Name calling is unhelpful. Do you have anything constructive to say?

    • Replies: @Hillbob
    , @SimpleKiwi
  11. A123 says:

    All sides have been spun up to be permanently hostile to each other. Who started what first is no longer relevant. At this point the only practical option is to separate the sides.

    If there are no Christians in Muslim nations, Christians cannot attack Muslim homes or mosques. If there are no Muslims in Christian countries, Muslims cannot attack churches or concert halls.

    The pagan Globalist Elites encouraged mass migration and “tolerance”. This is now a proven failure. The countries that accepted the most migrants have the most violence. Notably — Sweden, France, and Germany.

    The biggest problem now is, how to achieve disengagement. There are large numbers of people who need to return home before peace can be achieved, and at this point neither Merkel nor Macron has the will.

    Unfortunately, the violence and counter-violence and counter-counter-violence will continue to escalate until the Globalist Elites are removed from power and their undermining of democratic values can be reversed.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
    , @m___
  12. haole says:

    Every country with a muslim minority has a violent reaction from the population or the government to the muslims. Nigeria (black nationalist?) Burma( buhuddist), China, thailand, Europe, Isreal, you can all add to this list. The only countries with no violence between muslims and locals have no mulims, Mexico, Japan, Korea. The people who support islamic immigration know this will happen and want the violence from the muslims and the reaction violence.

    The white nationalist pulled the trigger but the lefties engineeered the conflict.

    The south gets blamed for the civil war because South Carolina bombed fort Sumnter, fired the first shot. The white trigger men are doing the bidding of their enemies.

    • Agree: SBaker
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  13. joe webb says:

    Subject: Fw: NYTimes.com: New Zealand Shooting Live Updates: Attack on Christchurch Mosques Leaves 49 Dead (The language of “Dark” problematic.) Today, March 15, 2019

    “Ms. Ardern called Friday “one of New Zealand’s darkest days.””

    Newspeak and Jewspeak and Blackspeak…take note. The English language is Culturally Racist. The Word , Dark, must be eliminated in usage for describing dark , excuse me, awful or murderous political actions.

    I suggest instead, “White” and “Whitest” as a reconstruction and reparations type corrective to the White Racism endemic in the English language.

    White Days, not Dark Days, the Whitest crimes imaginable. This should help in the Purification of English, and probably cognate terms in other languages. World Revolution in language is Absolutely Necessary to purge for all time the Crimes of Whites, and especially our use of the Blackness of ‘Dark’, that works its terrible effects on the minds of All God’s children.

    the Bible says, In the Beginning was the Word. So Dark has to go, thrown on the rubbish heap of History.

    Our Darkest Hours therefore lie ahead…nothing but Revolutionary Rectification of language…will restore the mind of all us Equal folks , many of whom are infected with Dark Thoughts….I mean White Thoughts.

    Black is Beautiful, White is Racism.

    Uhuru! Free at Last . Diversity Without Whites…our Strength.

    Joe Webb

    • LOL: Commentator Mike
    • Replies: @Grace Poole
  14. SBaker says:

    I recall the day in 2001 when 2800 Americans were murdered. Muslims were dancing in the streets in a dozen countries and in several locations in the US. And the more recent Christian church massacres; where was the 24 hour news coverage on CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS?

    • Replies: @renfro
    , @Tsar Nicholas
  15. Anon[534] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hillbob

    You have the lack of emotional-control of a teenage girl.

    No one with any true authority ever guaranteed that these cultures could live harmoniously. Nor could they. It was anyone’s mistake to believe that or to imply it.

    Semitic cultures are explicitly imperialist. They instigate for destructive social policies and cause backlash. They should be isolated in their own nations where they belong. The single most consistent variable in domestic terrorism is Semitic culture, whether it is them doing the killing, the oppression, or receiving the inevitable backlash for their foreign political ideologies and self-interested actions in foreign lands.

    • Replies: @Hillbob
    , @renfro
  16. @James N. Kennett

    I think this is the video that was referenced

  17. Suspicious to me!!! For those who do not know New Zealand is back up Israel for Israel.

  18. Imagine if the media and the puppet pols lost their minds like they’re doing now every time the US military killed a dozen or so innocent people, every time the IDF or Israeli air force killed a dozen or so innocent people.

    Whats the difference? Why do these peoples lives only matter when its a “civilian” doing it? Why aren’t they calling to disarm the US military or IDF or Israeli settlers that terrorize innocent people daily and in much more horrible ways. Wheres the outrage for CIA/Mossad supporting, arming, training ISIS mercenaries that cut little kids heads off for the fun of it?

    Assuming this event is real, not just an Israeli or US mercenary false flag, which I believe it is. Why is this the only goddamn time we hear the outrage about Muslims getting mercilessly slaughtered? Because it happens daily, only much much worse. Arabs, Africans, Latinos, Christians and Muslims getting the genocide treatment at the hands of the US military, NATO and IDF.

    I’d take this a lot more seriously if the degenerates in the media and in DC did so. No double standard. Again, why not disarm the Pentagon, CIA, IDF, etc…. if they actually give a shit about innocent people being killed.

    These a-holes have an agenda, and saving the lives of innocent people it ain’t. If it wasn’t for the war of terror, most of these people would still be living happily in their own homeland. Why the hell aren’t they tearing their hair out about that? Economic sanctions are siege warfare and kill many innocent people as well, no different than a bullet or a bomb, probably worse, since the suffering goes on longer.

    Reagan killing Latinos = GOOD
    Clinton NATO killing Christians = GOOD
    Bush killing Muslims/Christians = GOOD
    Bush 2 NATO killing Muslims/Christians = GOOD
    obama/NATO killing Muslims/Christians = GOOD
    Trump killing Muslims/Christians = GOOD
    Netanyahu killing Muslims/Christians = GOOD
    Millions of dead Latinos Muslims Christians = GOOD

    Some “citizen” killing 49 Muslims = AHHHHH OMG ITS THE END OF THE GODDAMN WORLD TAKE THEIR GODDAMN WEAPONS DISARM THE EVIL POOR WHITE FOLK!!!! AHHHHH!!!!

    Yeah, right a-holes. You’re fooling no one with this fake outrage baloney. You will even kill 3000 of your fellow Americans on 9/11 and blame it on Muslims, to justify your war of terror against Muslims, you degenerate scumbags. Screw you and your narrative you fking terrorists.

    • Agree: Zumbuddi, foolisholdman
    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Hippopotamusdrome
  19. But hey, at least the mosque is still standing, had this been a Pentagon, CIA, or IDF hit they would have just blown the whole mosque with all the Muslims inside to smithereens.

    Blow whole mosque up using Predator drone killing everyone inside = GOOD

    School buses filled to brim with Muslim children in Yemen = GOOD!

  20. @Michael Hoffman

    It will result in the killing of Christians in the Middle East, sub-Saharan Africa, Pakistan, Indonesia, the Philippines etc.

    Muslims were killing Christians there long before this event. Just recently a church was attacked in the Philippines with hardly any coverage in the international media. And Muslim attacks will continue regardless of whether anybody retaliates on a tit-for-tat basis or not.

    • Agree: Monotonous Languor
    • Replies: @renfro
    , @ploni almoni
  21. @A123

    Except in the former Yugoslavia, where the western powers did not encourage a unified state but approved of the separation into ethno-states based on ethnicity and religious affiliation. But elsewhere they want to force people to live together.

  22. Why do the Guardian and other MSM disable comments on topics such as this? Could it be that the vast majority of their own leftie and liberal readers disagree strongly with what they are propagating? What have they got to hide? Why can’t we be allowed to see what their readership has to say?

    It makes you wonder if there aren’t far more dissidents than we can even imagine. I suppose you can always go to:

    https://dissenter.com

    if the MSM won’t let you comment on their propaganda.

    • Replies: @A123
  23. I hope the NZ mosque shootings will not provoke a violent backlash against white people, who have quite often shown themselves to be valuable and productive members of their communities.

    • Replies: @Anon
  24. A123 says:
    @Commentator Mike

    The Taqiyya based Islamic media are just the same. It is not just the Fake Stream Media.

    TheSaker’ s intolerant mod on duty refused to post my comment, because advocating that Muslims and Christians should have separate nations is somehow unacceptable. I realize the site has an issue because volunteers have variable quality…. but right now Orwellian “goodspeak” is being allowed to run wild at the expense of facts about how Muslims actually behave.

  25. @Hillbob

    Is that the statement you make when people question the reason for 1,000,000 legal immigrants enter the US annually, or question the reason for the 65,000 H-1B visas issued?

    The sad fact of the matter is that immigration a con game. The real unemployment rate is closer to 20% than 5%. With that in mind, why are 1,000,000 immigrants “here”, as in allowed into the US?

    Immigration is the reserve army of capital.

  26. Hillbob says:
    @Anon

    Maybe the folks who stole the lands from the natives in Australia and New Zealand and America and Canada and owning other peoples lands in the Malvinas(Falklands) Hawaii , Puerto Rico, Guam , Guantanamo etc should have stayed where the fuck they were from originally. Follow your logic .
    The decline of the great white christian power(s) has nothing to do with Islam or Hindus or Buddhists etc. Or with “others” coming to your white heaven and making it hell. Or people of color. Talking of people of color , how many centuries of free labour or almost free labour your kith and kin have had over people of color? For starters ,Go find out for yourself how many millions of people Churchill deliberately starved to death in Bengal.

  27. Hillbob says:
    @Joseph Doaks

    Were the whites who took vast swathes of land from “savages’ were they good christian missionaries, thieves , murderers, whores, or were they the real Mckoy er em savages? This is a legitimate question.

  28. @Joseph Doaks

    Please, when you are this stupid, don’t write anything; then at least there remains an element of doubt.

  29. @Hillbob

    Would it make a person a “despicable piece of shit” if they said that 3000+ Americans would be alive if Saudis had not been allowed in the US?
    How about 49 homosexuals would still be alive if Muslims were not allowed in the US?
    If we said that 52 people would still be alive if Muslims were not allowed in the UK in 2005, would that make us a “despicable piece of shit”?
    Would saying that London would have had a better spring in 2017 if Muslims were not allowed in the UK be wrong?

    Can you point out any advantages to allowing Semites from the Middle East to live in a White Christian nation? Any disadvantages?

  30. @anon

    You are clearly a very scared individual. May I suggest you lock the doors, disconnect your internet, and leave the rest of us in peace.

    That leaves your phone still enabled, that you may arrange a consultation with a psychiatrist. You will need many consultations.

    Good luck. You, and the sad cases like you, need all the help you can get. But until you have sought it and achieved good mental health, the rest of humanity will be the better for not being subjected to your poisonous bigotry and fear.

  31. @Joseph Doaks

    They were people going about their normal peaceful daily activities.

    That is all that matters. Religion, place of birth, sex, or whatever other filter you want to apply has no relevance when contemplating the unprovoked cowardly murder of innocents.

    They were predominantly, perhaps all, New Zealanders, but that also is irrelevant.

  32. Many people online are rushing to appropriate this massacre to promote their own agenda.

    It does not matter what subset of society the victims may be associated with. They were fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters, sons & daughters, MURDERED by psychopaths.

    Do you support murder? No? Then don’t become an apologist for murderers.

    Those that do support murder and murderers, who attempt to justify such a vile act – you disgust me utterly.

    • Agree: Colin Wright, renfro
  33. Anon[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hillbob

    “Maybe the folks who stole the lands from the natives in Australia and New Zealand and America and Canada and owning other peoples lands in the Malvinas(Falklands) Hawaii , Puerto Rico, Guam , Guantanamo etc should have stayed where the fuck they were from originally. Follow your logic” .

    What does that have to do with the shooting of Semitic imperialists? I see that you feel it necessary to divert well off-point to keep up with the conversation.

    Those folks that you mentioned originally came from Asia. Their lands are in Asia.

    All of them, without exception, were practicing (sometimes mass) human sacrifice and cannibalism. None had a society that was ever going to develop past that point. Because none has without our technology and cultural help. See where they still are in he depths of the Amazon. They would still be there today without us, throughout the rest of those lands. You are greatly deluded if you think that the world was going to be left to the rule of naked, primitive barbarians. They stood no chance, with us or without us. They are lucky to have survived in any form. That they did likely has to do with the fact that it was us who came to civilize those lands and not the Chinese. Western China is not devoid of Indians for lack of Indian effort. Those forests are chock full of ghosts and bodies after the Chinese were utterly thorough in their repeated task.

    Moreover, none was ever going to keep their lands. If it wasn’t us, it would have been the Chinese or someone else who overtook them. Be glad it was us.

    Again, none of that has anything to do with Semitic imperialists.

    The decline of the great white christian power(s) has nothing to do with Islam or Hindus or Buddhists etc.

    What “decline” is that? I’m not worried about decline. I’m worried about sovereignty, community social trust, racial integrity (as most everyone else is with anything to lose), and lack of crime.

    White nations continue to be the dominant nations on this planet: financially, militarily, culturally, and in terms of technology. That will not change and is not changing. Anything that was developed in Asia was done using our broad tech base. Including how they flush their shit, what powers their lights, the buildings that their offices are in, how they transport themselves to work, and the computers they use. Everything.

    Or with “others” coming to your white heaven and making it hell. Or people of color.

    Sure it does. Their presence has everything to do with the broad misery in our lands. To deny this is to have no experience with them or statistics. Few ethnic groups are excepted, and the largest one that is represents a real political threats to our sovereignty. We either get social destruction and crime or imperialism.

    Talking of people of color , how many centuries of free labour or almost free labour your kith and kin have had over people of color?

    Who was talking of color issues? Not me. You. You can’t stay on topic, and are choosing the wrong person to dump on. I promise you that. You will not be able to keep up in this fight.

    My “kith and kin”? None. Talk to Jews about that. Talk to the very few privileged legacy Anglo families about that. When slavery was legal in the United States, 40% of Jewish households in the South owned slaves. In non-Jewish White households, the number was a low single digit percentage. Moreover, I’m not Anglo. None of my people owned slaves.

    I agree that they should have left Blacks in Africa.

    Did you want to talk about the Islamic-Semitic slave trade of Europeans? After all, we are speaking of Muslims here, no?

    Who has slavemaster ideology inherent in their religious belief systems? Not Europe. Islam and Judaism.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ovadia_Yosef#Non-Jews’_role
    https://www.jta.org/2010/10/18/israel/sephardi-leader-yosef-non-jews-exist-to-serve-jews
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secret_Relationship_Between_Blacks_and_Jews
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_views_on_slavery
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade

    For starters ,Go find out for yourself how many millions of people Churchill deliberately starved to death in Bengal.

    I’m more concerned about the starvation of the people in Ukraine at the hand of Semites, the modern human trafficking of Ukrainian women into Israel at the hands of Semites, the thousands of violent deaths that we suffer every year at the hands of violent minorities, and the destruction of our social trust and values due to minorities that simply are not physically or mentally the same as us and therefore lack the ability to behave under our laws.

    Though, none of that matters because, short of those minorities grandfathered in under the fact that they were there first or Jewish slavery (really, Blacks should think about living in the nice Mediterranean climate of Israel as a result), no one has the right to live in the societies that we create except for us. Because all others erode that social order. That will never change.

    Murder is tragedy. That stated, brown people should know better than to take up a murderous, imperialist religion. Furthermore, they should know that if they do take it up that they should think twice about planting themselves in the midst of advanced societies who are literate and can read their ideologies and histories. Last, they should know that if their members act out, throughout the West, that this rightfully throws the entire ideological group into high suspicion. At that point, they should leave or know that they are facing backlash due to their voluntary ideology.

  34. Anon[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @SimpleKiwi

    “Good luck. You, and the sad cases like you, need all the help you can get. But until you have sought it and achieved good mental health, the rest of humanity will be the better for not being subjected to your poisonous bigotry and fear”.

    Which “rest of humanity” is that? If you are not Jewish, the Jews in charge do not see you as “human” as a matter of doctrine.

    Doctrinally, you are the equivalent to a beast or even a rock. See the Zohar where they explain this directly. Only Jews are viewed as actually human. Moreover, all non-humans are destined to total genocide (the world over) at their hands within the next 220 years. According to their books.

    If you are a minority in the West, you exist here solely because of them and your life’s continuity is purely under their discretion and control. In the end, they will genocide you or your lineage. They keep their promises.

    Sleep well protecting “humanity” from “bigotry and fear”, you pompous ignoramus.

  35. @Hillbob

    “how many centuries of free labour or almost free labour your kith and kin have had over people of color?”

    Um, none. Even the labor of slaves is not “free”. They were well kept. Well fed, a comfortable home, safe environment etc. From the sounds of your voice, you’ve never visited a Souther Plantation, have no real understanding of the institution of slavery in the American South and don’t intend to acquire any.

    Slaves in America were well looked after. They thrived. Their population grew at a faster rate than that of whites. A biologist from another planet would say that they were a very successful subspecies. Even today blacks in America are healthy and robust, show no signs of abuse or mistreatment at the hands of their planter overlords.

    You’ve been reading too much propaganda and watching too much Hollywood.

  36. Hillbob says:
    @Chris Mallory

    Go ask YOUR Intelligence Services. They are the ones who direct and control some of these lunatics. Go and find out who is financing these crazies. How is it that ISIS was selling oil, buying tons of “western” weapons et al. But the great god fearing christian powers did not know? In the meantime to send a 100 dollars to anybody in the middle east can bring instant lifetime jail depending on how bad they want to set you up. As for 911 go and ask other Americans if they believe this. As well, since you brought this up about the 49 gays being killed : I remember the father of the killer going to the FBI and telling them that his son was planning something bad. Was anything done? No. Coincidence?

    Who was the Manchester mass murderer again? Oh I forgot that he was an MI5(or 6) recruit brought to the UK from Libya. Coincidence again?

    How about Islamic ‘terrorists” making sure that their drivers licences are found in Europe after each mayhem. Or finding the passport of Mohammed Atta of 911 infamy when even the concrete of the twin towers was pulverised ? Coincidence?
    Want more? How about dem WHITE Helmets?

  37. Anon[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buck Ransom

    I hope the NZ mosque shootings will not provoke a violent backlash against white people,

    who have quite often shown themselves to be valuable and productive members of their communities.

    Why would it promote a backlash? Did the Muslims the world over not keep track of the recent Islamic effort to ethnically cleanse of Christians from ISIL controlled Near East in total? You’d think that they’d have a notion of parity.

    Those communities do not exist without White people. Stating that they are often valuable members of their communities is like stating that bricks are often valuable to keeping a building standing. Anything else outside of the region of a major economic metro reverts to a second world equivalent outpost of Asia, at best.

  38. @Hillbob

    We took land from groups of stone age savages and built great nations. We conquered them. That any of those savages is still alive is a testament to our mercy. If you don’t like it, tough.

  39. Anon[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @redmudhooch

    Yeah, right a-holes. You’re fooling no one with this fake outrage baloney. You will even kill 3000 of your fellow Americans on 9/11 and blame it on Muslims, to justify your war of terror against Muslims, you degenerate scumbags. Screw you and your narrative you fking terrorists.

    LOL. Islam is one of the two or three Semitic scourges of the world, whose explicit ideology calls for the takeover of all other nations. They changed Spain, Iran, and Anatolia forever (to start) and India had to break off a large chunk of their territory and call it “Pakistan” just to quarantine the imperialist murderous virus.

    Don’t play innocent, at least not here. It comes off as ridiculous.

    Until Islamists renounce their murderous Semitic slave sub-cult, they will continue their outrageous rampages and subversion and they are unlikely to have peace.

  40. @SimpleKiwi

    When should we fight back to defend our people, culture and land?

  41. Anon[372] • Disclaimer says:
    @Michael Hoffman

    You lost long ago when you rejected the Bible.

    You seem to be more deeply ignorant than your other writing implies. Which is a tough hurdle.

    Semitic religion is invented by Jewish men, in total, and is all of single service toward the Jewish Messianic period in which everyone but Jews will be genocided. The Christian and Islamic books even tell them that they will be genocided in the end. That’s what they pray for. The deviousness of such a black magic charade is truly an psychopathic animal that only antiquity could have produced.

    Shove your fake, theologically ignorant piety up into your darkest crevasse.

    The mass murder in New Zealand is a devil’s gift. It will result in the killing of Christians in the Middle East, sub-Saharan Africa, Pakistan, Indonesia, the Philippines etc.

    Right. Because they weren’t doing that before. The recent killing was unfortunate and wrong on a couple of levels (mostly strategically), but you sound like a cuck and a coward. All they do is kill us where they have found us, throughout history, when they were able to get away with it. Not killing them was before not stopping that.

    Mutual understanding and peace between Muslim and Christian prevailed in the Middle East in the 19th and 20th centuries prior to the conquests of war-Zionism.

    There’s your “devil’s gift” and your personal ignorance of history. Islam kicked off its existence by routing that region and then Spain and Anatolia, changing them forever. That is the correct context. We do not celebrate “peace” with a group that prior murdered and raped us en masse and took our lands. We work to remove them from those lands.

    (The exception is Saudi Wahhabist theology which has parallels with the Talmudic Israeli-settler ideology with which the Saudis and their theological stepsons in ISIS, are covertly allied).

    You are one ignorant individual. Wahhabism is is not an exception any more than Talmudism is an exception. Islamic extremism and theocratic imperialism are inherent in the root of all Islam. Everything else is a barely functioning charade to hide it.

    The Talmud and the rest of the Torah are inseparable from mainstream Judaism. There is no “Talmudist Israeli-settler” ideology. That is mainstream Judaism. Full stop. You know nothing of Judaism if you do not know that immutable fact, and therefore you are commenting well out of school here. Stop being a willful participant in rudimentary Semitic propaganda games when they tell you that they are not responsible for those that are carrying out tasks on their behalf. If you choose to engage in such a dimwitted political existence, do not expect and certainly do not assume that anyone will follow you down that idiotic path here.

    Pick up one of their core books and read it.

  42. @Chris Mallory

    Would it make a person a “despicable piece of shit” if they said that 3000+ Americans would be alive if Saudis had not been allowed in the US?

    Do you really believe that Saudis perpetrated the WTC attacks?

  43. @Hillbob

    People like you, Hillbob, acting out your utopian fantasies of an angelic human nature, have created this mess. But when the inevitable happens, you pretend that you are just an impartial referee. Despicable, treacherous slime.

    As Anon says, “No one with any true authority ever guaranteed that these cultures could live harmoniously.” And yet you have risked your civilization’s well-being on your arrogant presumptions.

  44. peterAUS says:

    …..pro-Al-Qaeda Telegram channel Abu Abdallah
    ……The post reads: “The unbeliever killed a Muslim woman and ran over her before killing our brothers in the mosque. Where is revenge, O zealous [Muslims]? By Allah, if we don’t do anything, there is no good in us…enough slumber [for] what we will tell Allah…”

    …It called for equal retaliation: “The language of blood is not confronted with the language of surrender…and peaceful calls and slogans of tolerance and peace, but with the language of blood…”

    A post on the pro-Islamic State (ISIS) Telegram channel Al-Asyaf Al-Baghdadi called on ISIS supporters to head to social media to call for attacks against Christians…. Oh supporters of the Muslim State (i.e. ISIS), enter Facebook and Twitter and call for the spilling of the blood of the cross worshippers [i.e. Christians] and the grandchildren of monkeys and pigs [i.e. Jews] to avenge Allah’s religion and the blood of Muslims which has been spilled and continues to be spilled at their hands in Al-Baghouz [Syria], and, today, inside the mosques in New Zealand.”

    The pro-ISIS Telegram channel Rahel (@Rae_ll) posted a photo showing a gun, an ISIS flag and a suicide belt with various messages written on them, threatening the people of New Zealand with retaliation. …..Among the messages written were: “Retaliation is coming soon” and “You have opened the gates of hell on your island [i.e., New Zealand].”

    It’s St Patrick’s day tomorrow.

    I guess that being careful, paying attention to what’s happening around and keeping alcohol intake under control would make sense for Kiwis, and Aussies, tomorrow.

    My 2 cents.

  45. @upsidedown

    Thank you.

    If this was indeed the video that the shooter refers to:

    – It was not produced by the Otago Muslim Association – presumably a member linked to it on the Association’s Facebook page

    – It has been available for at least 9 years, and some of its claims were shown to be false here – http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8189231.stm

    – We can expect a backlash against YouTube, social media, and the Alt-Right in general, even though suppression of material such as this video would be a huge effort for little or no return. The video, and others distributed since 9/11, have at most provoked one Western white out of a billion to homicidal rage in nearly two decades. But even to claim one such provocation may be incorrect: the shooter claims to have been radicalized by his travels (he may be lying), and he claims that the video motivated him only to select his target.

  46. Corvinus says:
    @anon

    “To win the war more whites will need to fight than are currently willing to fight and maybe more importantly even more whites will have to be willing to not interfere in that fight”

    Do whites have the agency to make their own decisions when it comes to race and culture? OR, must they kowtow to your demand without even thinking why, lest they be labeled “cucks” and “race traitors”?

  47. Corvinus says:
    @Chris Mallory

    “Can you point out any advantages to allowing Semites from the Middle East to live in a White Christian nation? Any disadvantages?”

    Except our nation consists of many races and religion. Also, recall that the Europeans jackbooted natives to get gimmedats and free stuff, then “thanked” the natives with Christian “charity” in the form of disease and forced conversion.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @Saxon
  48. Corvinus says:
    @Anon

    “All of them, without exception, were practicing (sometimes mass) human sacrifice and cannibalism.”

    Sources?

    “They would still be there today without us, throughout the rest of those lands.”

    Living in peace and harmony. Why must you insist that these groups be trespassed against?

    “They are lucky to have survived in any form.”

    That is observably false.

    “That they did likely has to do with the fact that it was us who came to civilize those lands and not the Chinese.”

    Jared Diamond has covered this topic.

    “When slavery was legal in the United States, 40% of Jewish households in the South owned slaves.”

    That would be Fake News.

    From 1709-1807, there are 934 recorded voyages in which Rhode Island merchants were responsible for procuring 106,000 slaves. Now, Jews arrived in Newport as early as 1758. On the eve of the Revolution, they were estimated to be around thirty families. According to records historian Eli Faber used (e.g. naval office shipping lists, censuses, tax records) that identified merchants and planters as Jewish, there were 347 slave ships sent to Africa by Rhode Island slave traders from 1761-1774, with 21 being funded by Aaron Lopez, a Portuguese Jew. That means 326 voyages were underwritten by non-Jews during this time frame. Of course, Jews played a role in the peddling of human flesh. The extent in this particular case is nominal compared to other ethnic groups, according to Gaber.

    Junius Rodriguez (The Historical Encyclopedia of World Slavery, Volume 1, ABC-CLIO, 1997) referenced…

    “A few Jews even became prominent slave owning planters in the Old South…as successful as these Jewish Southerners were by Southern standards, they represent a very tiny percentage of the 20,000 Jews residing in the antebellum South who could, or would, ever aspire to own a slave. About 5,000 Jews owned one or more slaves – about 1.25 percent of all the slaveowners in the antebellum South…For those Jews who did own slaves, the records demonstrate that they were not significantly different from other masters in their treatments of their bondsmen.”

    Note that the antebellum period covers the period before the Civil War, 1820-1860.

    Regardless of factual accuracy, some would argue that these numbers are meaningless since they neglect to account for any other difference in demographics besides religion. For example, poorer families were less likely to own slaves than wealthier families.

    If we account for all other factors, it ends up there is no statistically significant difference between Jews and the overall population in terms of slave ownership, especially since levels of slave ownership varied in the southern states and in southern cities. For example, this source (forward.com/articles/205455/slaves-of-charleston/?p=all) notes that in 1830 the proportion of Jewish residents of Charleston who owned slaves was similar to that of the general white population (83% versus 87%).

    • Replies: @Anon
  49. May Allah SWT forgive the sins of those people gunned down at those masajids and accept them as martyrs

    The wrongful culmination of more than 2 decades of Anti-Muslim bigotry published by such fake nationalists as Alex Jones (and his minions), guys like Richard Spencer and the likes while willfully ignoring the role played by the “usual suspects” in sponsoring more wars for Israel mostly targeting Muslim countries [and then bringing in the refugees in those very countries]. That doesn’t make any sense in the slightest from any point.

    The west in general is extremely “anti-racist” at home even to the point of tolerating criminals if they happen to the non-white while at the same time being extremely (((imperialist))) abroad [in those very “third-world” nations]. This strange dichotomy is not the natural way of things and has to be a result of some deliberate policy sponsored by the so called “globalists”.

    Thankfully I never intended to settle down in any of these western nations. After a brief spell in a surprisingly PC western nation with extremely bad weather, I left upon graduation. The gender fluidity nonsense combined with the incessant worship of deviant behaviors of all kind was the straw that broke this camel’s back. I wouldn’t want my children growing up in such a strange toxic atmosphere full of deviant worship of every kind. Unfortunately, many western NGOs are absolutely militaristic in their pursuit of normalizing every kind of deviancy and immorality in our “lesser” nations by way of an alliance of convenience with our corrupt “leadership”.

    For those Muslims who are supposedly living the “good life” in such nations where such filth is being shoved down your vulnerable children’s throats I ask, “is it worth it?”

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
  50. In Australia, he couldn’t buy the gums. NZ has really lax gun laws. The general population can buy semi-automatics and not attract police attention.

  51. ‘…Murder is tragedy. That stated, brown people should know better than to take up a murderous, imperialist religion…’

    Whatever he considers himself, it seems self-evident that the adherent of ‘a murderous, imperialist religion’ here would be the killer, not his victims.

    …and those vermin who justify his vicious crime, of course. They too are effectively preaching a ‘murderous, imperialist religion.’

  52. Males of any species fight over territory. In spite of what many starry eyed liberals believe, humans are animals first and moral beings a distant second.

    For a number of years now, leftists have scolded us that white lives don’t matter, literally ripping down “White Lives Matter” signs. Comes now a man who has repudiated their denial in the most direct manner possible. We may indulge ourselves in condemning his behavior but we are deceiving ourselves if we act surprised by it. But, considering the source, indulging in self deception is not surprising.

  53. renfro says:
    @SBaker

    Show me a report of US Muslims dancing in the streets at 911.
    I never saw any and I had news alerts for every mention of the attack.

    • Agree: Bill Jones
    • Replies: @Sbaker
  54. renfro says:
    @SimpleKiwi

    (I’m out of buttons)…..but DITTO

  55. renfro says:
    @Anon

    and are choosing the wrong person to dump on. I promise you that. You will not be able to keep up in this fight.

    oh please…..you are such a yellow bellied punk you hide your comments so they wont be archived.
    And you’re going to defeat Hillbob in a argument ?…..lol

    • Replies: @Anon
  56. Regardless of whether this is a false flag, the true guilty parties for this act are the globalists, leftists, and their enablers who forced diversity down the throats of the white Christian West whether their indigenous peoples wanted it or not. Moslems and MS-13 and Sudanese skinnies and all the rest are not immigrants, they are invaders. They have come to the West to take over either forcefully or gradually, and those that brought them here are perfectly aware of it, in fact that was the intended purpose all along.

    Believe it or not, like it or not, an existential war has been forced on all of us. In a war there is only power that wins the day, there is not cringing and second-guessing and virtue-signaling about “our values” versus “not our values”. If you refuse to understand that, then you have already lost. You can be oh-so virtuous as you pretend that the enemy’s morality is not your morality, as you hold up your throat to be slit, as you bow down your head for the commissar’s bullet, all in the putrid belief that your self-allowed destruction is somehow the ultimate proof you are more moral than everybody else.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  57. renfro says:
    @Commentator Mike

    How many US Muslims have committed mass killings in the US?
    None
    Unless you count the Muslim in Norfolk who shot one of his coworkers 6 years ago.

    I am afraid we whites Christians hold the record on mass killings in the US….Oka, Charleston, Los Vegas, Pittsburg….

    Not to mention all the school shootings, none of them were Muslim kids.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  58. renfro says:
    @Chris Mallory

    Would it make a person a “despicable piece of shit” if they said that 3000+ Americans would be alive if Saudis had not been allowed in the US?

    No makes you stupid instead.
    Now if you said ‘if the US had stayed out of the ME and also not supported Israel against the Palestines 3000 Americans would not be dead’…then you’d be right.

    Did you not read OBL’s many missives on why his group hated America?
    No. 1 was interfering in the ME and corrupting it…..No.2 was the US support of Israel against the Palestines.

    I guess you don’t get cause and effect.

  59. @SimpleKiwi

    The leftist trolls are out in force today, as if they were warned ahead of time, and prepped with the standard trite talking points. Mmmmm, false flag, anyone ???

  60. sb says:

    There has never never any guarantee that people from very different ethnic/religious groups would naturally live harmoniously together .History tells us that this is just wishful thinking
    A large number of Europeans -that is people of white Christian descent in case you’re wondering – would prefer that Muslims didn’t live among them . The reasons why have been often well documented .

    Maybe something less than 1% of such people are moved to do something about it .But that is still a real number

    So all in all a fairly predictable event .What comes around goes around.

    Why Christchurch in New Zealand ?

    Low or non existent security with easy access both coming and going .

    Readily available availability of serious firearms ( all the Anglo countries have historically had easy gun access although only the US has such access constitutionally entrenched . The others have of course since vastly restricted gun access and NZ will surely now do so )

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  61. renfro says:
    @anon

    Reading your screed I can understand what is going on with what is called ‘internet hate radicalization”

    My take on some of the really rabid race haters (not the legitimate immigration objectors) is that they are ‘losers’ in life, they dont seem interested in the politics or motivated by anything but blaming some other religion or color for something….whatever that something is….usually a laundry list of threats to their religion or whiteness.
    They wouldn’t actually dare confront a politician , challenge him or her on the anti white attitudes of the left or right, nope they go after the unprotected.
    They get together on web sites and feed and reinforce each others hates with lurid tales of some color murdering white people ,raping white women and so forth.
    So every so often one of them like anon ,pumped up on hate and fear and bravdo goes out and kills x number of defenseless targets.
    And either gets killed in the shoot out or ends up in prison for life with all the black and browns he feared and hated.

  62. @Harold Smith

    Mass-murdering random people in a mosque is not a reasonable/morally proper use of violence

    Baruch Goldstein

    Were/are you an anti-semite?

    No. A jew living in israel is no enemy of mine

  63. @redmudhooch

    Reagan killing Latinos = GOOD

    Reagan killing Communists = GOOD

  64. Biff says:
    @Anon

    You will not be able to keep up in this fight.

    Oooooook hotshot.
    Keep punching them flies.

  65. Biff says:

    Getting that kind of weaponry and that amount of ammo into NZ requires some form of government assistance.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  66. Renoman says:

    There will be a bloodbath, Europe will run red. Whitey has most of the money and all the guns so the great experiment will end badly. I expect Israel will be paved as well.

  67. priz says:

    @SBaker

    Muslims were dancing in the streets in a dozen countries and in several locations in the US.

    Don’t forget mentioning the Israeli’s dancing in Manhattan as they watched & filmed the towers falling. Israeli’s who were arrested by NYPD, but who were mysteriously released and never heard from again.

  68. anonymous[191] • Disclaimer says:

    Man who does the crime leaves a “manifesto” on some website like Faceberg. Is a “white supremacist” who liked Pakistanis when he went there but really admires China. These individuals always use “automatic assault weapons” and are ardent admirers of Trump lah blah blah…

    Sounds like another artificial created massacre by the usual suspects going back to the first major one in Kansas City, April 14, 1995, when the Murrah Federal building was blown up.

    The purpose is to keep the usual buzzwords burning in the brains of the mouth breathing, televitz watching public so that they constantly associate guns with causing violence, white people as being the evil ones who harm innocent non whites. An additional reason might be to pay back the New Zealand government for putting Mossad agents in jail for using New Zealand passports illegally and to never even think of going after Israeli operatives again.

  69. @SimpleKiwi

    SimpleKiwi—They were people going about their normal peaceful daily activities. That is all that matters. Religion…or whatever other filter you want to apply has no relevance

    Sadly, there is a great deal of relevance. See the List of Killings in the Name of Islam at The Religion of Peace website. At the time of writing, the number of killings in the last 30 days stands at over 800. Muslim prayer may well be ‘peaceful’ but it is offered up to a violent deity.

  70. Robjil says:

    Thanks Kevin.

    Mass hypnosis is what been dealing with since 1913. Banning books by Amazon is part of the deal to counter any undoing of this mass hypnosis. The massive clamping down of the voices of dissident on the internet is another sign of a great fear that this mass hypnosis is being broken.

    • Replies: @Robjil
    , @Robjil
  71. @Michael Hoffman

    You lost long ago when you rejected the Bible.

    The Bible is fictitious historical narrative. It’s pretty fucking stupid too. I just farted while typing this.

    The slaughter coming for invaders in Europe is going to be horrific but fairly certain to bring Europe a good healthy cleansing and, without doubt, victory (not including the UK which is lost forever). In the US, muslims are less than one or two percent and while I don’t see a war coming here, este Mexicanos soy el nuevo jefe.

  72. @Hillbob

    Talking of people of color , how many centuries of free labour or almost free labour your kith and kin have had over people of color

    Anti-white hatred seeps from your impotent self.

    Every fucking people on Earth have subjugated others and been themselves subjugated, outside of maybe Eskimos.

    Also, brown and black isn’t more colorful than blonde, blue, green, brown, tan. No people have more variety in color than whites, we are the best there as well. We are not the best in everything, that isn’t being said, but we are the real people of colors.

  73. Saxon says:
    @SimpleKiwi

    There is no “common greater humanity.” You’re a new commenter and shill, and you’re fooling no one.

  74. muslim terrorism is good for the jews:
    Justifies police state controls.
    Eliminates Christians.
    Creates hatred for muslims.
    Provides sympathy for Israel.
    Justifies proxy wars for Israel.
    Causes muslim invasion of Europe.
    Win win win for jews, lose lose lose for white people.

  75. Aha! Gotcha! The overwhelming headline narrative available on line is how THIS shooter pre-empted conspiracy theorists and debunkers by streaming his evil deed to his facebook account. Combined with all of the usual markers of a false flag shooting event, the perpetrators own video is the best evidence that this was a staged event. Notice in his video that his victims are all compliantly laying down in a pile on the floor when he shows up. Notice also the absence of blood and body fluids usually present at a traumatic event. Finally, near the end of his video 12.5 minutes in we see him fire his shotgun through his windshield twice without any shattering glass then he fires it in sequence through his passenger window causing it to shatter. https://153news.net/watch_video.php?v=BY8DDAOG7UR9

    Now we have information that this fellow likes to take his vacations in places like Pakistan and North Korea…..is it not a bit obvious?

  76. @upsidedown

    Rabbi David bar-hayim, the head of Machon Shilo,

    The Pittsburgh Massacre: Why is Anti-Semitism on the Rise?

    “There are specific causes for rise in anti-semitism: one is the belief on the part of many white people of European descent . . . that their cultures, their civilization are, essentially, on the chopping block. . . due to massive and misguided migration from the third world . . . Those Europeans and European descendants think Jews are behind this phenomenon, and they are right.

    But this is not authentic, Torah Judaism: those Jews who are promoting massive migration are not Jews in any real sense, they are assimilationists.

    Real Jews are Torah Jews, and Torah Jews say that Jews are people who shall dwell alone.”

    Does Rabbi bar-Hayim disavow that oft-repeated prayer of so many Jews around the world, the one that recites,

    If I forget you, Jerusalem,
    may my right hand forget its skill.
    May my tongue cling to the roof of my mouth
    if I do not remember you,
    if I do not consider Jerusalem
    my highest joy.

    and that concludes with this holy prayer:

    Happy is the one who seizes your infants
    and dashes them against the rocks.

    or is it only “assimilationist Jews” who pray this prayer; only assimilationist Jews who celebrate, every year after every year, the slaughter of not only Human but of his children and of 75,000 innocent Iranians? –:

    When we, non-Jews, allow Jewish people to dominate the education of our children, we give them not only our financial support but our permission to
    “seize our children and dash them against the rocks.”

    When will we rise up against those who kill our leaders and supplant our government?

    • Replies: @Anon
  77. @joe webb

    I memorized this poem as a freshman in high school. It was my try-out to be part of the Speech Team.

    The Creation
    James Weldon Johnson, 1871 – 1938

    And God stepped out on space,
    And he looked around and said:
    I’m lonely—
    I’ll make me a world.

    And far as the eye of God could see
    Darkness covered everything,
    Blacker than a hundred midnights

    Down in a cypress swamp.

    Then God smiled,
    And the light broke,
    And the darkness rolled up on one side,
    And the light stood shining on the other,

    And God said: That’s good!

    The most effective recitation was in tones imitating James Earl Jones.

    “Creation’s” author, James Weldon Johnson, was a Black man:

    James Weldon Johnson is best remembered for his leadership of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), where he started working in 1917. In 1920, he was the first African American to be chosen as executive secretary of the organization, effectively the operating officer.[1] He served in that position from 1920 to 1930. Johnson established his reputation as a writer, and was known during the Harlem Renaissance for his poems, novels, and anthologies collecting both poems and spirituals of black culture.

  78. m___ says:
    @A123

    The interests of the de facto elites are distinct from those of the global masses. “Settings” as this weeks Gaza bombings, the New Zealand incident, Jemen bombing of civilians are laboratory experiments of what is possible. Migrations, teasing immigration, while raping and reaping the Third World, Africa in substance, regardless of Chinese, France, the US, but always the global corporate profiteers, are workable tactics, it seems to go un-noticed to the crowds. A game of Real Madrid soccer team attracts more viewers. Any “intellectual” who cannot see through this, is middle class with egotistic interests, scrambling for the crumbs and part of the problem. A traitor.

    The emotional discharges as most above, are not very helpful to take on analysis of the essentials, what counts, what is survival in the long term. In case of global elites defunct of any morals, alternative leadership, alternative philosophy, systemic change must be built independently. We should not accent the blame on individuals trying to alter the paradigm. Whether ISIS or now a single White male, they are irrelevant as to the outcome, they count in pointing to what hurts: lack of alternative leadership, sain sustainable global systemics, a need.

  79. Asagirian says: • Website

    Scumbo Max Boot says the the world community must work together to wage war on White Nationalists like it did on Jihadis. Who’s he kidding? The Zionist-controlled US has been arming training, funding, and supporting Jihadis all around the world. First, it was against Communism and then against secular socialist(but not communist) Arab nations that were once allied with the USSR.
    There was blowback from this in 9/11, but it wasn’t long before the US, Israel, and Saudis were once again arming Jihadis to wreck nations, esp in Libya, Iraq, and Syria under Obama. Israel has been treating and supporting ISIS fighters.

    Zionist supremacists like Boot have been using stupid brainwashed whites to destroy Muslim nations — the message of Hollywood movies is ‘muzzies are terrorists and must die’ — , and they have been using Muslim ‘refugees’ to flood the West. Zionist supremacists tell whites, “Go over to the Middle East and kill those Muzzies and be a hero!!”, and they tell Muslims, “Side with us against those vile ‘racist’ white Christians.”

    And yet, scum Zionist supremacists like Max Boot get to pontificate on MSM.

    • Replies: @Anon
  80. MBlanc46 says:
    @Harold Smith

    I often tell Mme B thst if I’m ever given a prognosis of six months to live, some people are going to die. I’ve a mental list. Violence is the only thing that those who rule over us understand.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  81. Robjil says:
    @Robjil

    Our MSM goes crazy over every time little people do something bad. Meanwhile, seven nations to destroy theme is totally destroying seven nations in the Middle East. Our MSM needs to look in the mirror. It promotes the destruction of our planet with its constant promotion and support for destructive, cruel wars on humanity.

  82. Robjil says:
    @Robjil

    This “thanks Kevin” one is not for this article. I put it here by mistake.

  83. There are no attacks against Christian churches in Saudi Arabia. I wonder why not?

  84. My sympathies to the families of the victims and to the citizens of New Zealand. This is an appalling act of terrorism.The perpetrator is a TERRORIST.

  85. apollonian says: • Website

    NZ “Shootings” Is OBVIOUS Fakey Fake, Hoax–But Usual Morons Are “Triggered,” Ho Ho Ho

    Dear morons: these “shootings” “event” in NZ is OBVIOUS hoax and false-flag, PERFECTLY staged to dis-credit whites and WNs (white nationalists), esp. using WNs as “fall-guys,” like Lee H. Oswald was used for JFK. WNs are used as likely perpetrators, given the build-up for them provided for the JEW-OWNED, Jew-dominated Jews-media, pushing the typical, usual Jew-serving lies–but the dumbasses don’t think about that overwhelming Jewwy element.

    Given all the previous hoaxes and staged farces we’ve already had, just here in Jew S A over last few yrs, FIRST thought should be that it’s just ANOTHER hoax–like all the others. It (the “event”) could ONLY be true if PROVEN true–which Jews-media is guaranteed to cover-up–because then they (Jews) will be found to be behind it all, as ALWAYS. Nothing can possibly happen of this political sort without Jews, MOSSAD, and any other top criminals knowing all about it, suckers.

    It’s (latest NZ “event”) OBVIOUS, blatant SEQUEL to Anders Brevik, Norway hoax and false-flag of 2011–read up on all that–a masonic (read conspiratorial) -inspired attempt to build-up Israel and associate nationalists/nationalism w. Israel, pre-saging Donny-boy, Israel-first, Trump.

    So the people are now to be further terrorized by means of dis-armament, as announced by the whore of a NZ PM, eh?–of course it was all hoax.

    And I’ve hardly read-up on any of the details of this latest, knowing very little, but can easily see right-off, regarding the pictures, it’s all re-runs of all the previous hoaxes of so-called “victims” w. hardly any blood. I saw a body of some faker lying face-down in a picture, but as usual, NO BLOOD. How does one get shot, fall-down, and no blood, no bleeding?–answer: it’s fake, hoax, morons.

    “50” kills?–there ought then to be at least 100-200 wounded, w. lots of blood flowing, dropped and dripped, dumbasses–THERE’S HARDLY ANY BLOOD, ANYWHERE–it should give things away, right there, morons.

    Regardless, the Jews-media, Satanists, and Jews, once again, for all their pushy hysterics merely pt.-up obvious fact that there are wayyyyyyy too many refugees fm wars started by Jews and their flunkies, too many foreigners and shit-skins in white people’s land, like in Europe and Jew S A, and Jews and Satanists are behind it all, financed by practically INFINITE currency issuances fm central-banks (see Mises.org for expo on central-banking; use their site search-engine for particular terms).

    Remove the central bank complex, and huge problem right there will be much solved–but morons can’t figure-out (ever) the only proper, real money is gold/silver.

  86. @SBaker

    Muslims were dancing in the streets in a dozen countries

    On that day, a group of Israeli Jews were dancing just across the Hudson river. They were arrested, but for some obscure reason, they were released.

    Interviewed later on Israeli TV they said they had been sent to “document the event.”

  87. @Michael Hoffman

    Mutual understanding and peace between Muslim and Christian prevailed in the Middle East in the 19th and 20th centuries prior to the conquests of war-Zionism.

    That coincided with a period of Muslim weakness. Prior to that, Islam mainly attacked Christendom (and everyone else) at every opportunity. Heck, it was in response to Muslim attacks on American shipping that Jefferson finally got a serious navy going. The right thing to do would have been the Ann Coulter solution – invade and force everyone to convert to Christianity (given that you can’t replace something with nothing) or put them to the sword. But, characteristically, even back then, Christendom failed to muster the necessary pitiless (Islamic?) frame of mind necessary to do the deed.

  88. Paul says:

    The shooting in New Zealand reminds one of the warring between the Sunni and Shia and the warring between Zionists and the Palestinian people. The West does not need that in its home. Leave that among the people of the Middle East.

  89. @SimpleKiwi

    This is just a variant of the moralistic fallacy. The fact that you have a personal distaste for the work doesn’t invalidate the tool, in this case, simple logic.

    • Agree: ThreeCranes
  90. @Hillbob

    No one took land from anyone. Mostly nomadic primitives — savages as you correctly style it — were displaced by advanced civilization. If you are dissatisfied by that outcome, by all means, put your bullets where your mouth is.

    Hint: Counterfactually, had whites not expanded throughout the former European colonial territories, it is probably greater than 30:1 that you personally wouldn’t be alive if you’re white and live in one of those areas.

  91. @haole

    The south gets blamed for the civil war because South Carolina bombed fort Sumnter

    South Carolina was the least “haole” state in the Union, which is why she wasn’t in the Union for long.

    Why the white states didn’t just kick the black states out, I don’t know. They weren’t looking ahead.

    The EU should similarly kick out any member that goes ten, or even five, percent Mohammedan.

  92. Wally says:
    @Hillbob

    You mean the xenophobic & fake “Native Americans” (actually migrant Asians).

    Stone-age Europeans were the first to set foot on North America, beating American Indians by some 10,000 years, new archaeological evidence : http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/9110838/Stone-age-Europeans-were-the-first-to-set-foot-on-North-America.html

    “The noble savage is a fantasy, and it was never true. That anyone still believes it, 200 years after Rousseau, shows the tenacity of religious myths” : https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~kw/crichton.html

    Clashes with European settlers: http://www.wvculture.org/history/indland.html

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
  93. Wally says:
    @Joseph Doaks

    120 Christians were murdered in Nigeria.

    Silence.

    Nigerian Muslim Militants Kill 120 Christians in Three Weeks: https://www.breitbart.com/africa/2019/03/16/nigerian-muslim-militants-kill-120-christians-three-weeks/

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  94. @EVROPA

    This event is not what it seems. The overriding themes coming from the mass media are that the evil social media must be curtailed and that “white nationalists” are doing what “white nationalists” do. (Why are they never referred to as white separatists?) Ask yourself, who benefits?

    This terrible tragedy has been front and centre across media world wide showing the grief and outrage that rightly is felt and yet the same media has made little to nothing of the weekly killing of muslims every Friday in Gaza that has been going on for months now. I wonder why that is?

    Assuming the killer is who the media says he is, and that should be questioned based on the endemic lying from the same media, then it was a killing spree waged by one demented individual whereas the months of killings by shooting innocent protesters in Gaza is actual government policy of the state of Israel. Which is worse?

    The same can be said about the countless wedding party guests and other innocents “accidentally” killed by US drones over the last few years, do they not count at all? Why no tears for them?

    I smell a rodent concerning this whole event. Again, who benefits?

  95. @Joseph Doaks

    The Bangladeshis cricketers luckily were not in the Mosque. They went home the day after the massacre.

  96. @SimpleKiwi

    hey “simple kiwi ” ..for god’s sake stop trying to be so simple! This was no spontaneous eruption of irrational hatred, don’t you see? The act has massive context, and to say this guy acted according to his “own” twisted lights, is ridiculous. He acted as driven agent of the politics of kulchural IDENTITY. This, the permanently sad and competitively agrieved enemy of real democratic spirit, now starts to infect the “right” just as much as it always has the current “left”. It is this mutual, common problem that we should be attempting to discuss , along with why we find ourselves with no better way to register our humanity and our character…

  97. Iridium says:

    Of course, New Zealand’s the dead are fake! Absolutely everything related to this “terrorist massacre” is a lie (the same as previous similar “mass terrorist acts” in the West). Yesterday 40 dead & 20 wounded, today 50 & 50. I think afterwards they flashed a few dozen more of them, eh? Did anybody seen just one corpse, wounded, bloody footprints, breakage, convex walls, heart… anything? No nothing! What about “4 suspects caught, 1 of which is a woman”?… They show only something bluish (blurred) (!), as in the Hague tribunal. “Witnesses” is, as always, the secret service men, as during the demolition of the 911 towers. And other people always “see” what they hear. Or the puck “hears” what they see. Since he hates me writing in more detail (and everything will be known anyway), that’s enough for today:

    “New Zealand authorities have reminded citizens that they face up to 10 years in prison for “knowingly” possessing a copy of the New Zealand mosque shooting video – and up to 14 years in prison for sharing it. Corporations (such as web hosts) face an additional $200,000 ($137,000US) fine under the same law.”

    source: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-16/nz-threatens-10-years-prison-possessing-mosque-shooting-video-web-hosts-warned

    Watch the full clip “terrorism”. Dead ends, dolls, all clean and tidy – 153news.net

  98. Iridium says:

    Of course, New Zealand’s the dead are fake! Absolutely everything related to this “terrorist massacre” is a lie (the same as previous similar “mass terrorist acts” in the West). Yesterday 40 dead & 20 wounded, today 50 & 50. I think afterwards they flashed a few dozen more of them, eh? Did anybody seen just one corpse, wounded, bloody footprints, breakage, convex walls, heart… anything? No nothing! What about “4 suspects caught, 1 of which is a woman”?… They show only something bluish (blurred) (!), as in the Hague tribunal. “Witnesses” is, as always, the secret service men, as during the demolition of the 911 towers. And other people always “see” what they hear. Or the puck “hears” what they see. Since he hates me writing in more detail (and everything will be known anyway), that’s enough for today:

    “New Zealand authorities have reminded citizens that they face up to 10 years in prison for “knowingly” possessing a copy of the New Zealand mosque shooting video – and up to 14 years in prison for sharing it. Corporations (such as web hosts) face an additional $200,000 ($137,000US) fine under the same law.”

    source: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-16/nz-threatens-10-years-prison-possessing-mosque-shooting-video-web-hosts-warned

    Watch the full clip “terrorism”. Dead ends, dolls, all clean and tidy – 153news.net

  99. @Anon

    “no one has the right to live in the societies that we create except for us. Because all others erode that social order. That will never change.”
    So true!

  100. turul says:
    @Joseph Doaks

    They were 49 Palestinians. They were in New Zealand because the jews had driven them out of their homelands.

  101. republic says:
    @SimpleKiwi

    Simple Kiwi- are the reports correct that access to sites like Zero Hedge are being blocked?

    The NZ government seems to be using this event like the one Port Arthur in Australia to increase gun controls laws and to crack down on social media.

    Their obvious population replacement program needs to be protected from any criticism.

  102. @Wally

    ‘@Joseph Doaks
    120 Christians were murdered in Nigeria.

    Silence.

    Nigerian Muslim Militants Kill 120 Christians in Three Weeks: https://www.breitbart.com/africa/2019/03/16/nigerian-muslim-militants-kill-120-christians-three-weeks/’

    I can feel the depth and sincerity of your concern for your Christian brothers in Nigeria.

    I really can. It’s touching.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @L.K
  103. @AbdullahFromTheEast

    Oddly enough, most commenters here would agree with much of what you say, Richard Spencer notwithstanding.

    At bottom, your petroleum has corrupted everyone. (not saying this in an accusatory fashion, it’s just an accident of geology)

    My “liberal” friends drive their SUV’s everywhere and fly back and forth to family reunions, dive vacations on tropical isles etc. Although they may b*tch about U.S. foreign policy, they won’t see that their acceptance of an oil intensive lifestyle is the root cause of our imperialist ambitions.

  104. The efforts of the Islamophobes to defend this pointless and evil atrocity are truly nauseating.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @L.K
  105. @renfro

    I never mention any specifics as to who or where, nor mentioned any US muslim perpetrators, but since you wrote:

    How many US Muslims have committed mass killings in the US?
    None

    Omar Mateen, Syed Rizwan Farook, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, Tamerlan Tsarnaev, Mahmud Abouhalima, Sayfulla Saipov, Ramyi Yousef, Mohammad Salameh, Nidal Ayyad, Sheikh Omar Abdel-Rahman, Ahmed Ajaj, etc. And that’s not to mention those of 911, but that I believe to be a hoax, so I leave them out. OK, some of these may not have been US citizens, but all I mentioned was muslim attacks worldwide.

    I don’t know what’s the point of your denial, unless you’re claiming all muslim attacks are hoaxes and this one against them is real, so this is the only one we must condemn.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
    , @renfro
  106. @renfro

    I guess you don’t get cause and effect.

    Now we come to the chicken and egg conundrum. And this war stretches back centuries and is nothing new. But I agree that the west should get out of the middle east and not back Israel, and muslims and Jews should get packing to the middle east and leave us all alone. But hey, I have no power to implement my policy so it’s just wishful thinking.

  107. @Commentator Mike

    911, but that I believe to be a hoax

    I meant “possibly a false flag” not an out and out “hoax”.

  108. @Wally

    Could a distant collective memory of “Europeans” having been the first humans to have set up a viable civilization on the North American continent explain why some of the “Indian” tribes who met Columbus and other early explorers literally got down on their knees and welcomed them as long lost saviors?

    We know that the cannibalistic Caribs persecuted the relatively peaceful Calusa Indians. According to Columbus’ log, the captured men were eaten outright and the women were used as sexual slaves. The male offspring of Carib men/Calusa women coupling were castrated and reared so as to be tender meat, like veal. The girl offspring were used as sex slaves with which to breed more tasty boys. So all was not friendly amongst the various Indian tribes of North America.

    Even if–or especially if–a tribe were subjugated by a neighbor then it is to be expected that the oral history of these oppressed tribes would have kept alive a glimmer of a spark of their unique identity and historical antecedents. Did some of them have a dim collective memory of their European roots? Did they realize that they were very different from their oppressors?

    Of course, DNA would disclose any evidence of this and I haven’t heard anything from that quarter that would lend credence to it. Have you?

    • Replies: @L.K
  109. Anyway…

    The replies on this thread led me to wonder, ‘just who are these people I’m associating with’?

    After all, this is an event that separates the men from the boys, so to speak. However radical one’s dissent, presumably there is a moral line somewhere — unless one is truly lost to humanity. One can think Nazi Germany was bad — but agree the Russian sack of East Prussia and Silesia was a gratuituous evil all the the same. There’s a limit.

    So how many here would defend an action like the mosque shooting — particularly given the availability of the truly nauseating details? So I did a count.

    Obviously, there are numerous problems with a ‘statistic’ of this sort — not least of which is that who ‘approves’ and who ‘disapproves’ becomes subjective. Still, we seem to have forty posters who think the killing was beyond the pale — or have at least gone off on some tangent — and twenty four who are prepared to condone it in some form.

    I’m not sure what to make of that. This is a community of compulsive iconoclasts — but still…

    • LOL: apollonian
    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
    , @Talha
  110. @Colin Wright

    But don’t you think it’s hypocritical of politicians to condemn citizens for advocating, condoning, or even rejoicing in violence when they do the same and on a massive scale with their warmongering? Remember Albright justifying the killing of hundreds of thousands of children, or Clinton laughing hysterically at the murder of a man who held a prosperous nation together. Oh I get it, they have some immunity for being politicians, but the rest of us just have to keep our mouths shut and dance to their beat. What’s so moral about asking us to react as those mass murderers in power tell us to? Maybe we’re just desensitized by all the violence they have been preaching and exposing us to through their media and entertainment.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  111. @sb

    Why Christchurch in New Zealand ?

    I wonder if their laws regarding murder and prison conditions have anything to do with it.

  112. Anon[267] • Disclaimer says:

    So how many here would defend an action like the mosque shooting — particularly given the availability of the truly nauseating details? So I did a count.

    Let’s assume that Muslims continue to come to New Zealand legally and nonviolently, prompting no justification from you for violent pushback.

    Until they hit a tipping point of population at which they will violently assert their dominance under a theocracy as they have everywhere: prompting all that entails for non-converts under Islamic Law.

    According to your logic, Colin, there was never any moral justification to violently oppose that process.

    What is your suggestion to oppose Islamic (and greater Semitic) imperialism? Law? The Semitic controlled media won’t allow such legal changes to get off of the ground. Votes? They will always import them at a rate that competes with the native birth rate, especially when their own increased birth rates are taken into account.

    The entire political ecosystem, to include who gets elected and how as well as the media, was long ago subverted and corrupted with a combination of international pressure (trade, military, media, etc) from prior subverted nations as well as money. The system is self monitoring so that it can’t be broken with votes. It works to keep itself empowered.

    When the system shows a possible crack, as it did with the election of a very mild Trump, they merely invent a conspiracy out of whole cloth to imprison everyone who worked with the candidate, and to hold a figurative gun to the politician’s head, as a message to anyone else who might have otherwise considered stepping out of line.

    Your empathy is admirable. However, it also fails to suggest viable alternatives.

    The last pertinent fact is that White people require a degree of genetic isolation. Those whose religious doctrines promise them world rulership (Islam and Judaism) have a vested interest to break that isolation. They long ago learned that we have a level of innate empathy that they do not, and long ago learned to use that against us.

    Given natural, human distaste for murder that no one truly wants; you need to suggest truly viable alternatives that facilitate European survival.

    The alternative for you for failing to suggest those alternatives is to accept that not everyone will accept their demise to avoid killing.

    Either way, you have to realize and accept that Islam and Jews have not and would not accept their demise to avoid killing.

    • Troll: Biff
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @AnonStarter
  113. Anon[267] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright

    The efforts of the Islamophobes to defend this pointless and evil atrocity are truly nauseating.

    “Islamophobe”??

    Now you’ve truly gone off of the deep-end. There is nothing “phobic” about a visceral distaste for Islamism. Any statement to the contrary is either stupendously ignorant of both doctrine and history or has a vested interest in protecting a violent, supremacist, and imperialist Semitic ideology.

    Your loose use of a term invented to protect that violent imperialism does a lot of damage to your credibility here.

  114. @Commentator Mike

    ‘But don’t you think it’s hypocritical of politicians to condemn citizens for advocating, condoning, or even rejoicing in violence when they do the same and on a massive scale with their warmongering?’

    Here’s a sophisticated moral concept for you: two wrongs don’t make a right.

    • Replies: @Anon
  115. @Anon

    ‘Let’s assume that Muslims continue to come to New Zealand legally and nonviolently, prompting no justification from you for violent pushback…’

    Rather obviously, the solution is to refuse to let them in, then — not admit them and then shoot them.

    Your complaint here is not with the Muslims — who are, after all, merely seeking a decent life. It is with your government, which is failing to respond to your will.

    So go after the government — not the Muslims.

    • Replies: @Anon
  116. Anon[413] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright

    I can feel the depth and sincerity of your concern for your Christian brothers in Nigeria.

    I really can. It’s touching.

    That doesn’t matter. The point is that such ethnic cleansing action is regularly conducted by the practitioners of Islamic ideology because it is inherent in their ideology.

    Its insane to allow them in any foreign land due to their imperialist religious ideology, and it follows that Islam’s existence (and the Judaic ideology that serves as its more perfect template) in total is wholly lamentable.

    Violence against them is not preferable. They need to vacate all lands outside of one nation (pick one) to prevent the inevitable conflicts to come. Conflicts that, again, are inevitable as a matter of their ideology. They then need to work on, with Judaism, a total expectoration of imperialist and supremacist ideology from their doctrines. After that occurs, they can realize and expect a lack of persecution on religious-ideological grounds and can then be considered again for immigration to some places. Fair?

    Do not forget that they are a Semitic religion, Judaism is a Semitic religion and Islam’s source, and that most of the world’s current strife emanates from these two sources. Islam is not innocent. It is a primary cause and excessively dangerous as a matter of doctrine.

  117. Anon[413] • Disclaimer says:
    @Asagirian

    Scumbo Max Boot says the the world community must work together to wage war on White Nationalists like it did on Jihadis.

    According to Boot’s logic, we will then be morally committed to wage war on Zionists.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Goldstein

    But, of course, expect one Semite to protect another, moral consistency be damned, when it comes down to their mutual anti-White hatred.

    Mass murderer Baruch Goldstein has quite the hero’s tomb in Israel.

  118. Anon[118] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    (((Jared Diamond))) has covered this topic.

    Fixed it for you.

    The following context is always to be tacked onto any modern Jewish “scholarship”:

    The Jewish agenda is destruction of all other nations , the genocide of all other peoples, and world domination: as explicitly stated in their books. Islam is a mirror of Jewish ideology. Both ideologies are horrific for the world and need to go. Jewish credibility is no better than that of the average Imam.

    “They would still be there today without us, throughout the rest of those lands.”

    Living in peace and harmony. Why must you insist that these groups be trespassed against?

    Living in peace and harmony? You are a fiction writing moron.

    No. Genocided by the Chinese or someone else. Trespassed against? They came from Asia. They were never going to get to keep half of the world at their level of culture and technology.

    “They are lucky to have survived in any form.”

    That is observably false.

    Junius Rodriguez (The Historical Encyclopedia of World Slavery, Volume 1, ABC-CLIO, 1997) referenced…

    “A few Jews even became prominent slave owning planters in the Old South…as successful as these Jewish Southerners were by Southern standards, they represent a very tiny percentage of the 20,000 Jews residing in the antebellum South who could, or would, ever aspire to own a slave. About 5,000 Jews owned one or more slaves – about 1.25 percent of all the slaveowners in the antebellum South…

    Your own reference indicates that 25% of Jews owned slaves.

    So, why are Whites solely blamed, and Jews not blamed, for slave ownership?

    Jews have slave ownership doctrines in their religion. In fact, they still expect to own slaves in their Messianic period that is 220 years away or less according to them. Whites have no such future belief in slave ownership.

    Regardless of factual accuracy, some would argue that these numbers are meaningless since they neglect to account for any other difference in demographics besides religion. For example, poorer families were less likely to own slaves than wealthier families.

    So, then where are your adjusted numbers?

    If we account for all other factors, it ends up there is no statistically significant difference between Jews and the overall population in terms of slave ownership,

    You did not account for all other factors and not do you have the ability to do so, as evidenced by your need to copy and paste.

    Moreover, don’t get into a research statistics and critique debate with me that you cannot handle as someone obviously not trained in research statistics and critique.

    Being richer does not absolve slave ownership, does it? The ownership percentage for the Jewish group would still be what it is, wouldn’t it? If anything, hypothetically different SES numbers would imply that Jews were more heavily involved in lucrative trade in the South: one of the most lucrative trades being the slave trade.

    Now, see? You don’t have the ability to handle that critique of your copypasta because it isn’t your own. I am trained to dissect research. You are not. Good luck with any kike arrogance that informs you that you have any hope surviving this continued pseudo-debate.

    especially since levels of slave ownership varied in the southern states and in southern cities. For example, this source (forward.com/articles/205455/slaves-of-charleston/?p=all) notes that in 1830 the proportion of Jewish residents of Charleston who owned slaves was similar to that of the general white population (83% versus 87%).

    The Jewish ethnonationalist (((Forward))) is not a viable reference in this conversation. At least Malcolm Stern was a kike when Jewish academia was still separate from Zionism. He was also much closer to the history, and much more credible (see his body of work) and thorough than any of your sources.

    I believe that you are familiar with the below link:

    https://history.stackexchange.com/questions/17711/jewish-slave-owners-in-the-united-states

    Dr. Malcolm Stern, has investigated the 1790 manuscript census returns in his genealogical researches, and has generously provided me with the relevant data. Unfortunately, the returns for Georgia and Virginia were destroyed, but the South Carolina data provide valuable insight. Seventy-three heads of households have been identified as Jewish; of these, at least thirty-four owned one or more slaves, to a total of 151 slaves. The only large holdings of slaves were possessed by Jacob Jacobs of Charleston (11), and Abraham Cohen (21), Solomon Cohen (9), and Esther Myers (11), all of the Georgetown District.

    34/73 = 46.6%, which compares to an ownership rate of 34.2% in all South Carolina households in 1790. That makes South Carolinian Jews 36% more likely to have owned slaves than the average South Carolinian

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  119. Anon[118] • Disclaimer says:
    @renfro

    oh please…..you are such a yellow bellied punk you hide your comments so they wont be archived.
    And you’re going to defeat Hillbob in a argument ?…..lol

    To be baited by your content free, and thus low IQ, high emotion posting one time:

    Because archiving comments under a pseudonym is brave? Give us all a break, keyboard warrior.

    Hillbob’s IQ is incest tier, per his handle.

  120. Anon[118] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright

    ‘Let’s assume that Muslims continue to come to New Zealand legally and nonviolently, prompting no justification from you for violent pushback…’

    Rather obviously, the solution is to refuse to let them in, then — not admit them and then shoot them.

    Your complaint here is not with the Muslims — who are, after all, merely seeking a decent life. It is with your government, which is failing to respond to your will.

    So go after the government — not the Muslims.

    This response is content-free in the context of my prior post. I had addressed all of this.

    Islam is a murderous, imperialist ideology and is a danger. Its also a choice.

    • Agree: Sbaker
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  121. Anon[118] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright

    Here’s a sophisticated moral concept for you: two wrongs don’t make a right.

    So, folk wisdom is now guiding national dispossession?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  122. Anon[118] • Disclaimer says:
    @Grace Poole

    But this is not authentic, Torah Judaism: those Jews who are promoting massive migration are not Jews in any real sense, they are assimilationists.

    This is propaganda.

    Te Jewish books dictate that Jews will dispossess all other nations, destroy their Gods (which is Jewish code for destroying the people themselves), and eventually genocide all non-Jews.

    We can get into a scriptural debate if you wish. I don’ even need to pull it from their Tanakh, where it is superficially shrouded as myth. I can pull it from their Zohar, where they state it directly.

    If your Rabbi believes in his Tanakh and Zohar, then he believes in the things that I detail above. And he does. And so you are being lied to.

  123. Anon[120] • Disclaimer says:

    Here’s more Hollywood Semitic agitation propaganda against White people, (((critiquing))) and twisting their culture, from director and writer (((Ari Aster))).

    Just in time for peak racial tension escalation.

    Yup, Semites are totally innocent. They dindunuffin.

    I can’t wait for the upcoming horror film depicting the Semitic messianic period, after their apocalypse in which all non-Jews will be genocided and after which the remaining will be held in slavery.

  124. Anon[120] • Disclaimer says:

    Here’s more Hollywood Semitic agitation propaganda against White people, (((critiquing))) and twisting their culture, from director and writer (((Ari Aster))).

    Just in time for peak racial tension escalation.

    Yup, Semites are totally innocent. They dindunuffin.

    I can’t wait for the upcoming horror film depicting the Semitic messianic period, after their apocalypse in which all non-Jews will be genocided and after which the remaining will be held in slavery.

  125. @renfro

    “Did you not read OBL’s many missives on why his group hated America?”

    What’s that got to do with 9/11?

  126. El Dato says:
    @Corvinus

    then “thanked” the natives with Christian “charity” in the form of disease and forced conversion

    Well the forced conversion was not so nice but don’t mess with people who have had enormous dieoff counts over many generations due to various germs from animals and passing invaders.

  127. El Dato says:
    @Biff

    Or just a good rolodex.

  128. renfro says:
    @Commentator Mike

    I don’t know what’s the point of your denial, unless you’re claiming all muslim attacks are hoaxes and this one against them is real

    That isn’t what I said.
    Don’t put words in my mouth please…..I said US Muslims.
    I am aware of Muslins, Jews, Jewish false flags, the MEK, the PPK and other terrorist group shootings /attacks outside the US.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  129. @Anon

    ‘So, folk wisdom is now guiding national dispossession?’

    Alright. You’ve gone beyond the concept that two wrongs don’t make a right.

    Do you feel that’s an advance?

    • Replies: @Anon
  130. @Anon

    ‘Islam is a murderous, imperialist ideology and is a danger. Its also a choice.’

    You are a demented, homicidal bigot who is impervious to reason. It is you that are the danger. I’ll give you the credit to assume your lunacy is also a choice. You choose to be part of the evil that stalks the world.

    • Replies: @Anon
  131. 120 Christians Killed in Nigeria in 3 Weeks, 90,000 Christians Killed in 2018.
    Nobody spoke for them. Where is the outrage.
    Nigeria was a half-Christian, half-Muslim country. The Muslims have promised to wipe out the Christians and their administration is not protecting them.

    https://www.independentsentinel.com/120-christians-killed-in-nigeria-in-3-weeks-90000-christians-killed-in-2018/

  132. @Anon

    >Either way, you have to realize and accept that Islam and Jews have not and would not accept their demise to avoid killing.<

    "Islam" is not a person or nation and, thus, cannot "accept its demise." As for Muslims, they have accepted “their demise” to avoid killing. Clearly, you know nothing about the history of modern Turkey or Arab world. After WWI, Turkey had to abandon Islamic law and adopt secularism upon pain of imprisonment or death and other Arab puppets made every effort at Islamic revival similarly punishable.

    Those “Moozies” that have you peeking out the window from behind the curtains every night come to your beloved paradise of a country for money and greater freedom (which often means less, not more, religion). Most of them are no threat to your way of life. That’s simple truth. If you’re afraid that things will change for the worse once there’s no tint left in the clay, then get breeding, my man.

    You think this nutjob is a model to follow? Do consider the fact that he single-handedly gave the anti-gun crowd exactly what they wanted. Qui bono?

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Avery
  133. L.K says:
    @Colin Wright

    Colin Wright to dishonest shill Wally

    I can feel the depth and sincerity of your concern for your Christian brothers in Nigeria.

    I really can. It’s touching.

    Ain’t it so? I nearly shed a tear, our wally “cares” so much about them…

  134. @Monotonous Languor

    >Regardless of whether this is a false flag, the true guilty parties for this act are<

    Do we really need to ask who benefits? This guy is the new poster boy for gun control.

  135. L.K says:
    @Colin Wright

    The efforts of the Islamophobes to defend this pointless and evil atrocity are truly nauseating.

    Indeed. Nauseating, cowardly pieces of S, the lot of them.

    • Replies: @Anon
  136. L.K says:
    @ThreeCranes

    ThreeCranes, a dude who not that long ago here at Unz wrote that the ZUS – number one terrorist in the world by far – should simply nuke all of the ME…

    On the other hand our ThreeCranes said he avoided criticizing the Jews bc they ended up ‘messing up ‘ his PC…

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
  137. Biff says:

    It seems that censorship has taken a front row seat of the Christchurch attack. Everything blocked in short order.

    Facebook was almost bragging when they revealed that they’d removed or blocked 1.5 million videos related to the rampage in just the first 24 hours. 80% of the videos, indeed, were blocked at the point of upload, never to be seen by anyone.

    Nothing is to be believed at this point, and the mystery remains how the shooter obtained the weapons and ammo.

    • Replies: @Biff
  138. @renfro

    Uh, OK. But I still don’t get it. If muslims are prepared to launch terrorist attacks in their own countries, why not at least some in the US against Americans they hate far more than their muslim brothers in Pakistan, Iraq, Syria, etc.? If you mean specifically the NOI under the term “US muslims” then you should say so, although there have been a few attacks on whites attributed to their members.

    • Replies: @renfro
  139. Biff says:
    @Biff

    Update:

    At a news conference, Gun City owner David Tipple said the store sold four guns and ammunition to Brenton Harrison Tarrant through a “police-verified online mail order process.”

    He said none of the weapons were military style semi-automatic weapons. Calling for gun laws to be tightened, New Zealand’s prime minister Jacinda Ardern has said the attacker used five guns, two of them semi-automatic, which were purchased with an ordinary gun license and modified.

    That’s it so far, and it leaves two if not more glaring questions:
    How a young guy like this got approved that easy for all those guns and ammo – from my understanding in heavily gun controlled New Zealand, getting one gun is a lengthy process, and bringing it home from the gun range where they are supposed to be stored is also a no-no?

    Also, I always thought semi-autos were strictly verboten in New Zealand, not to mention magazine clips?

  140. Contemporary news is/are like fake product reviews. Discuss among yourselves.

  141. Suggested reading “False flag attacks : A tool of the Deep State ” By Robert David Steele . Operation Gladio goes global ?

  142. RodW says:

    One is reminded of Enoch Powell and how he was ‘deplatformed’ for trying to have a ‘conversation’ about immigration policy. If only it were permitted to have a conversation about it even now.

  143. @Harold Smith

    He said: “Killing innocent people will never achieve anything” (anything “good” I presume). Which it won’t.

    Yes it does. It generates never ending enmity in the survivors.

    Killing Muslims is not to be permitted to the private individual, no matter how outraged. It must be approved at the highest levels of government after careful consideration of all the relevant facts.

    The individuals to be killed must have been certified to be official terrorists by an approved agency.

    Then it should be carried out by the Air Force using a stealth drone in the dead of night. Establishing plausible deniability should a wedding party be destroyed by mistake.

  144. renfro says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Here is what I said….

    I am afraid we whites Christians hold the record on mass killings in the US

    Which is true.

    • Agree: Commentator Mike
  145. Anon[383] • Disclaimer says:
    @L.K

    There is nothing “phobic” about disliking Islam:

    a violent ideology that promotes world conquest and domination to all of its believers.

    As we can see throughout their history, both ancient and recent.

    Disliking Islam is natural and moral self-defense.

    Stating anything else is to assist their aggressive politics and goals. The only nauseating, cowardly pieces of S are those that do so while pretending that there is no large problem.

    The World would have been a much more peaceful place without Semitic Islam.

    • Replies: @ploni almoni
  146. Anon[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright

    ‘Islam is a murderous, imperialist ideology and is a danger. Its also a choice.’

    You are a demented, homicidal bigot who is impervious to reason. It is you that are the danger. I’ll give you the credit to assume your lunacy is also a choice. You choose to be part of the evil that stalks the world.

    You haven’t offered any reason nor solutions. Your replies are stubbornly simple in comparison to mine, both in the time you take and the content. You demonstrably have nothing to offer on the topic except for misplaced emotion. Why not vent it at a wall? Given how rudimentary your positions are, it will have the same effect here whether or not it is me responding to you.

    I’m not the danger, simpleton. I don’t believe in a homicidal religion of world domination and oppression that has killed hundreds of millions of people and plans to continue to spread its aims wherever its people reside. They do.

    Islam is inherently murderous, as evidenced by both their history and ideology. The people of the West did not ask for it, and every right to look at its history, its beliefs, and hate it with every fiber of their being. No sane person would ever give aid to, condone, or defend an ideology or its people that would see their way of life and possibly even their people destroyed. As you are de facto expecting others to do here and as you are doing.

    That’s who you are defending by calling me a bigot and a lunatic? I describe reality as it is, which makes me sane. You, on the other hand, have a soft brain and a heart that is destined to be violently conquered by foreigners. I’m a pragmatist, and I well described my earlier position in detail. You are venting misplaced emotion here with nothing else on the table. Which makes you irrelevant. At least the Muslisms and We have chosen sides. You, on the other hand, could blow away tomorrow and it wouldn’t matter to these politics and conflicts. Or go and get used up by the Muslims, toward their political ends, for all that anyone should care.

    • Replies: @Sbaker
  147. Talha says:
    @Colin Wright

    I would take a look at this survey that was done maybe 7-8 years ago about various society’s views on violence – the results may surprise you:
    https://news.gallup.com/poll/157067/views-violence.aspx

    They were asked very specific questions like the acceptability of targeting and killing civilians (by state actors):

    By non-state actors:

    I personally don’t find any difference in the moral implications of whether a state or non-state actor intentionally targets and kills civilians, but it seems some do.

    Breakdown by country is below the MORE tag…(can you guess which two countries find it most acceptable for state actors)?

    Peace.

    [MORE]

  148. >The World would have been a much more peaceful place without Semitic Islam.<

    Yes, because Europeans had such a wonderful legacy of protecting freedom of religion and conscience before they met Muslims.

  149. Anon[866] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnonStarter

    “Islam” is not a person or nation and, thus, cannot “accept its demise.”

    Political and cultural movements can and have often both “accepted their demise” in the face of stronger forces as well as steeled themselves to meet their goals. Your statement presents an ahistorical version of reality.

    As for Muslims, they have accepted “their demise” to avoid killing. Clearly, you know nothing about the history of modern Turkey or Arab world.

    You mean the “modern Turkey” that used to be called Anatolia and was taken from Europeans by way of a lot of murder and that still exists as Turkey? You want to tell me about how Turkey fell to avoid killing? This should be some good fiction.

    Or how about the “Arab World” in the Middle East that was dominated by Muslims in the same fashion to create the first caliphate that they used as a springboard to destroy Visigoth Spain?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Muslim_conquests#Conquest_of_the_Levant:_634%E2%80%93641
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umayyad_conquest_of_Hispania

    We haven’t forgotten.

    After WWI, Turkey had to abandon Islamic law and adopt secularism upon pain of imprisonment or death and other Arab puppets made every effort at Islamic revival similarly punishable.

    You mean the Turks nominally gave up Islamic government influence to save their own necks in the face of the modern European War machine that was at full tilt? That is not the same as accepting one’s own demise to spare others.

    Those “Moozies”

    Oh, so you’re officially a moron. Got it.

    that have you peeking out the window from behind the curtains every night come to your beloved paradise of a country for money and greater freedom (which often means less, not more, religion).

    Cool immigrant narrative. Did the NYT or the ADL write it for you?

    It doesn’t change what they believe in, how those beliefs perpetuate in reality vs your silly bullshit, nor the fact that any sane people would despise their beliefs and therefore them (as long as they hold them) when looking at their history and the beliefs themselves. We simply don’t want them in spite of what they come for. A notion that is sane self-defense. They should craft their own paradise in their own nations that they already felt the need to violently conquer but apparently aren’t good enough for them anymore.

    Most of them are no threat to your way of life. That’s simple truth.

    That’s not what their history shows in every nation in which they rise in number throughout history. Your truth is a lie. My truth is supported by history as well as their open beliefs.

    If you’re afraid that things will change for the worse once there’s no tint left in the clay, then get breeding, my man.

    Yeah, sorry, its not any nation’s prerogative to have to literally outbreed their invaders to survive. That’s not how the nation concept works, a concept that we sacrificed eight million lives to arrive at. We reject your glib bullshit and patch-solution for sane national separation.

    You think this nutjob is a model to follow? Do consider the fact that he single-handedly gave the anti-gun crowd exactly what they wanted.

    Read my prior statement. That’s the only statement from me that you get on the matter. A second well-stated and fully equivalent summary (in terms of what I intend to communicate) would be Senator Anning’s written statement on the matter.

    Do you think murderous Islamic nutjobs, and the murder that is inherent in their ideology, is a model to follow? Thousands of its believers do. This was one man going off of the rails in response to their barbarous ideology that no one asked for.

    Aside from ideological Islam’s continued barbarous actions in the West, we are forced to tolerate the constant rape gangs and other higher Arab-Truk criminal behavior that we have to deal with from their presence. Even today, there was another shooting at their hands. Earlier, from their ideological actions, we had the various high-kill count truck attacks and Bataclan. I could go on by listing the recent Danish girl rape and beheadings (a special Islamic cultural touch), ISIS and their ethnic cleansing of the Near East, the beheading in the Scandanavian IKEA, the beheading of Lee Rigby, 9/11, Rotherham, and so much more. Too much to list.

    This is what you would have us tolerate and we simply refuse with no further debate possible on the matter. Accept that fact or not, but it is a hard fact.

    Qui bono?

    You tell me detective.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  150. Sbaker says:
    @renfro

    You wil have to do your own research, I have other work to do.

  151. Anon[505] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright

    ‘So, folk wisdom is now guiding national dispossession?’

    Alright. You’ve gone beyond the concept that two wrongs don’t make a right.

    Do you feel that’s an advance?

    I didn’t see the concept in the Art of War. I haven’t gone beyond it. It simply doesn’t apply assuming it has any moral validity whatsoever or application beyond trying not to let a toddler retaliate against his sister for stealing his blocks.

    In fact, it reminds me of the “turn the other cheek” and tolerance messages that we get from Semitic Jewish-authored Christianity that helped put us in this mess. And that is curiously absent from the Semitic Jewish ideology that is prescribed for their own people. In fact, their ideology is polar opposite: prescribing genocidal retaliation for perceived sleights as well as total, uncompromising domination of other peoples. Which is also the root of Islam.

    So, no, I’m wonderfully outside of your nightmarish Semitic-philosophy feedback loop and am dealing with the world in more practical, less compromised terms.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
  152. Sbaker says:
    @Anon

    Thank you for the voice of reason. It is clear there are a significant number of islamophiles on this site. Obama, after all, rose from obscurity to be the most hideous leader ever to rise to power in the US.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  153. @Talha

    ‘Breakdown by country is below the MORE tag…(can you guess which two countries find it most acceptable for state actors)?’

    It’d be morbidly interesting to break down the results by religion as well. ‘Do you believe military/individual attacks on Muslims/Christians/Jews are always/sometimes/never justified?

    …And by race. One suspects it would prove positively praiseworthy to whack Bosnians.

  154. anonymous[739] • Disclaimer says:
    @Asagirian

    Lib Sweden has never invading Muslim countries, never gone in with Neo Conservative war mongers. But, Arab/Black/Islam slums outside of Malmo are the same as in White countries that go along with the Zionists, Neo Con invade the war.

    Sweden has the highest rape rate of any country outside of Black Africa. Why is this so. Who’s doing the rapes?

    It’s just what these cratures do – Orcs, the worst Paki/Algerian slums anywhere in White countries go for common street level pimping and drug dealing then if they are caught the prisons go in for Jihadist Islam. Either way we lose.

    The Japanese don’t seem to have any problems with this chi*. Nor do they send their military to Arab/Muslim countries to do ZOG’s work.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  155. Anon[248] • Disclaimer says:

    I think it’s fantastic that an NYU student excoriated Chelsea Clinton for her “hateful” rhetoric on Ilhan Omar that caused this shooting.

    Couldn’t have happened to a better hypocrite.

  156. Avery says:
    @AnonStarter

    {As for Muslims, they have accepted “their demise” to avoid killing. Clearly, you know nothing about the history of modern Turkey or Arab world. After WWI, Turkey had to abandon Islamic law and adopt secularism….}

    Clearly you are the one who knows nothing about Turkey, modern or otherwise.

    The secularist Turks, the so-called “young Turks’ – Enver, Talaat, and Jemal – organized the Genocide of Christians of Asia Minor: Armenians, Assyrians, and Pontic Greeks. Armenians got the worst of it.

    Number of Armenians killed between 1915 and 1923 was about 1.5 million. Altogether about 3 million Christians, the indigenous peoples of Asia Minor, were exterminated by the secularist Turks who supposedly accepted “their demise” to avoid killing. Secularist Mustafa Kemal, founder of modern Turkey, continued the Genocide of Armenians.

    Sultan Hamid, who was deposed by the Young Turks, massacred ~300,000 Armenians 1894-1896. Apparently the secularist Turks were much more bloodthirsty in mass killings than Islamist Sultan Hamid.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  157. Corvinus says:
    @Anon

    “The following context is always to be tacked onto any modern Jewish “scholarship””

    Poke holes in Diamond’s scholarship before mouthing off.

    “The Jewish agenda is destruction of all other nations , the genocide of all other peoples, and world domination: as explicitly stated in their books. Islam is a mirror of Jewish ideology. Both ideologies are horrific for the world and need to go. Jewish credibility is no better than that of the average Imam.”

    Actually, the Jewish agenda is to maintain their own homeland. The genocide was committed upon them by Nazis. Do you need history picture books to catch up for all that you missed while skipping high school?

    “No. Genocided by the Chinese or someone else. Trespassed against? They came from Asia. They were never going to get to keep half of the world at their level of culture and technology.”

    China got hooked on smack compliments of the British in the mid-1800’s. The Chinese were in no shape to be colonizing. They left it to the professional jackbooters.

    “Your own reference indicates that 25% of Jews owned slaves.”

    Who were wealthy. Which is other than surprising. That meant 75 percent did NOT own slaves. Now, you do realize that there were other ethnic groups in the South who also owned slaves. What were their percentage in relation to Jews?

    “So, why are Whites solely blamed, and Jews not blamed, for slave ownership?”

    Actually, both whites and Jews are blamed. It’s just that some people like yourself want to shift the blame to one particular group of people.

    “Jews have slave ownership doctrines in their religion. In fact, they still expect to own slaves in their Messianic period that is 220 years away or less according to them.”

    Sources?

    “Whites have no such future belief in slave ownership.”

    False comparison. Jews are an ethnic group. Whites are a racial group. You also need to compare the Jewish faith and the Christian faith when it comes to this “future belief”.

    “Moreover, don’t get into a research statistics and critique debate with me that you cannot handle as someone obviously not trained in research statistics and critique.”

    LOL, and yet you neglect to offer up your own data points.

    “Being richer does not absolve slave ownership, does it? The ownership percentage for the Jewish group would still be what it is, wouldn’t it?”

    Yet if one is going to make the grandiose statements that Jews as an ethnic group dominated the slave trade or had the most slaves in the South, then one needs to compare Jews and European ethnic groups in those areas.

    “If anything, hypothetically different SES numbers would imply that Jews were more heavily involved in lucrative trade in the South: one of the most lucrative trades being the slave trade.”

    Except that was not the case.

    “I am trained to dissect research. You are not.”

    You haven’t done anything!

    “The Jewish ethnonationalist (((Forward))) is not a viable reference in this conversation.”

    It is most assuredly relevant here. Now, you do realize that there were 34 Jewish slave-owning households out of 8,859 total slave-owning households in 1790’s South Carolina, right? That would mean that Jews were 0.4% of slave owners in South Carolina in 1790.

    Are you this dense in real life?

  158. I’m beginning to wonder what the shooter’s manifesto says.

    One the one hand, we apparently mustn’t read it. The suggestion that we ought to is ‘horrifying’ (Esquire). On the other hand, the killer describes himself as an ‘eco-fascist.’ Whatever that is, it suggests views other than simple blank Islamophobia. What are those views? Why mustn’t we learn what they are?

  159. @anonymous

    ‘…Sweden has the highest rape rate of any country outside of Black Africa. Why is this so…’

    Their rape laws? Wasn’t a case got up against Julian Assange?

    • Agree: L.K
  160. @Sbaker

    ‘Obama, after all, rose from obscurity to be the most hideous leader ever to rise to power in the US.’

    Lol. I always find it comic when people attribute demonic properties to that decided mediocrity and lightweight. ‘The most hideous leader ever to rise to power in the US.’ Seriously?

  161. I managed to find the manifesto. I eventually got bored and started scanning, but it’s quite clear and readable. Given the action it justifies, nothing too remarkable — most of it most of us would agree with, although hopefully not the tactics employed. I wouldn’t go along with most of the Islamophobia, but many would.

    A note: the claim that he expresses support for Trump is absurd. This is the passage, verbatim:

    ‘Were/are you a supporter of Donald Trump?

    As a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose? Sure. As a policy maker and leader? Dear god no.’

    https://katana17.wordpress.com/2019/03/ … 19/#tgr-70

    _________________

  162. I just watched David Duke’s take on the shooting. Duke has always been consistent that our movement is non-violent and he always disavows violence of any kind. And I have always agreed with him, but….
    I’ve been researching the “Just War Theory.”
    I’m asking myself, “When is violence justified?”
    If whites are not allowed to have a voice, then what are white people supposed to do?

    It’s disturbing that I am asking myself these questions.

    It’s been open season on whites for along time. 90% of cross-racial crime is black on white.
    muslims seem to kill some hapless white folks just about every week, and I don’t see “moderate” muslims speaking out against the slaughter. All I see are calls for “prayers” and calls to reject
    “Islamophobia.”

    You know….I think that jew wizardry is starting to wear off.

  163. @Anon

    Thank you for your response. Normally, I’d concede defeat after having been confronted with such resoundingly convincing comments such as yours, and I have no hope of persuading someone so confident in his perspective, so I’ll address your words solely for the entertainment of others while you remain content with whatever it is you think you know.

    First of all, Islam is a religion that contains tenets and principles which remain an immutable part of it, however faithful to them its self-professed followers may be. I draw a distinction between it and its followers to clarify that it is not the religion itself, but rather, its followers who suffer the aforementioned “demise” by falling away from it. But given the unimpeachable reputation of your academic acumen, I’m sure that your failure to grasp this point is just a minor oversight.

    As for “modern Turkey,” your attempt to conflate it with the Seljuk Dynasty once more belies your otherwise impeccable credentials as a scholar of Near East Studies. I suppose we could ask the former kingdoms of Anatolia how they might characterize Greek dispossession of their homeland. Perhaps they would use such terms as “murder” to describe the killing they were sure to have witnessed. Sure, such inquiry could lead us clear back to Adam and it seems kind of like an exercise in futility to play such a game, but you’ve probably got your reasons for doing so. I guess.

    And I’m certain that you know all about Mustafa Kemal “Ataturk,” the descendant of Donmeh Jews who, upon assuming the presidency of the Turkish Republic in 1923, instituted reforms aimed at eliminating the influence of Islam throughout the country. And you must know that Arabic, private religious education, religious attire in public institutions, and the cons1truction of new mosques was outlawed by him. Of course you’re familiar with the “Harf Inkilabi” (Letter Revolution), in which the Arabic/Persian Ottoman script used for centuries by Turks was scrapped for a new Romanized alphabet which all citizens, young and old alike, were compelled to learn. I’m quite sure you’ve got a brilliant explanation as to how all of this isn’t proof that the Turks “agreed to their demise” as Muslims and we all hope to see it. Soon. Or someday.

    And it clearly wouldn’t escape your notice that Sharhabeel bin ‘Amr al-Ghassani, governor of Baiqa’ and vassal of the Byzantines, had murdered a Muslim emissary, thereby shedding first blood between Muslims and Christians in the early 7th Century and igniting the greater conflict between them that was to commence for some time thereafter. Nor would you forget that the Coptic Patriarch of Egypt celebrated the Muslim ascent to power, having removed an oppressive yoke of Byzantine rule. Nor would you fail to have learned that the Visigoths knew little of providing for the religious liberty of their subjects. The rigor of your discipline in researching such history couldn’t possibly have been expended upon mere cherry-picking with an aim toward confirmation bias. Heaven forfend.

    And surely you realize that broadbrushing Americans for the actions of a few bad apples would be just plain ‘ol bad logic. I mean, it isn’t as though the average American knows much about who lied their countrymen into invading and occupying Iraq, an action without which ISIS would never have been born, so hey, we wouldn’t employ that ludicrous logical fallacy now, would we?

    Look, I understand … You’re too beset by the non-stop murderous rampage of heavy artillery raining down upon you and your kin and the occupation of your homeland by armed soldiers sent to impose undesired regime change and expropriate your land and resources. You have every right to oppose such terror and it’s high time you take action in order to do so. Of course, you’ll have to convince a bit more more than half of your countrymen to take the necessary measures to forestall Muslim immigration by any means necessary, and it’s probably true that you’d stand a better chance of prevailing if your views weren’t so tremendously unpopular and your own countrymen so weak-willed in the face of such imminent disaster, but your outstanding rhetorical proficiency, in combination with your iron will to engage your mortal enemy in a fight to annihilation, is a proven recipe for success here ever after.

    Good luck with that. Yeah.

    • Replies: @Talha
  164. For the connoisseur of nausea, the AIPAC conference should produce some truly sickening grovelling on the part of our political leaders. Look for star turns from Pelosi, Harris, Biden, O’Rourke, Cory, and Warren.

    • Replies: @Sbaker
  165. @Avery

    Dear Armenian Correspondent,

    A quieter, calmer re-reading of my original response to the estimable Anon will reveal that your statements aren’t really relevant to our discussion. I encourage you to partake of such an endeavor at your earliest convenience.

    Thanks in advance.

  166. Talha says:
    @AnonStarter

    Solid response, especially the mention of the Ghassanid treachery – most people have no clue about that.

    Peace.

  167. Sbaker says:
    @Colin Wright

    Ah, the world of islamophilics. It seems you have stumbled on some truth. Seriously.

  168. Sbaker says:

    “The shooter continues shooting as he walks down the hall, into rooms as he passes them, and in two large rooms where more people are assembled. The victims each immediately falls to the ground like a sack of sand.

    In an audio interview, Professor James Fetzer, a former U.S. Marine second lieutenant, and Dr. Scott Bennett, former U.S. Army Psychological Operations Officer and State Department Counterterrorism Contractor, made the following observations:

    Fetzer said the semi-automatic rifles deployed by the mosque shooter are fakes made of plastic, designed to make noise.
    Bennett points out the video shows no bullet holes and no exploding glass because no solid projectiles were used by the gunman, which means nothing solid impacted the victims’ bodies, which means “no living person was legally killed or wounded”.
    No blood spatter on the victims, walls, or furniture.
    In a real shooting with real bullets, especially when civilians are shot, they would be in a state of hysterical, emotional shock. Panic-stricken, their bodies flooded with adrenalin, they would violently flail, run or crawl away. They do not simply fold up and fall to the ground like sacks of potatoes. Read more about Dr. Bennett’s forensic analysis of the shootings on James Fetzer’s blog.
    Back to the mosque gunman’s video.

    The gunman repeatedly returns to the hallway and rooms to shoot the people who

    • Replies: @anon
    , @ThreeCranes
  169. anon[253] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sbaker

    So that’s why such frantic condemnations of FB for posting videos? because it spilled the beans?

  170. @L.K

    You have a good memory. Or something.

    Yes. Nuke all the Middle East. Reduce that Wailing Wall to dust. Blast every bit of Abrahamic Civilization to smithereens. Jewish, Christian and Islamic alike. New York City, Los Angeles and Miami too while we’re at it. People who practice Abrahamic religions are hypocritical dipshits. I’ve yet to meet one who was worthy and honest. Their piousness blinds them to their own double dealing. Freed from their incessant bickering over petty inconsistencies, the world would be a better place.

    And yes, criticism of Jews on this site consistently resulted in my computer being afflicted with glitches. It simply is. What am I going to do about it? Nothing. I’m not expert enough to counteract whatever they are up to. So I avoid the topic. They are employing simple conditioning. Criticize them and you are punished. Eventually you will learn to not criticize them.

    • Replies: @Talha
  171. @Sbaker

    I agree with much of what you say. And here’s another curious thing. The bodies are piled in the corner like sacks of potatoes. This ain’t right.

    If a group of people were fleeing from a gunman, herded into a corner of a room, and a gunman were shooting them, then they would fall from the outside of the scrum. The outer victims would fall first, then the next layer inward and so forth till reaching the last person, innermost to the corner. So, they would NOT form a symmetric pile of bodies heaped IN the corner. They would look more like timber fallen after a strong storm.

    The dead assault our sensibilities by adopting grotesque poses, ending up in awkward postures that are graceless and unnatural. We’ve all seen this. One day we will all do this to whoever has the misfortune to stumble upon our own lifeless bodies. But the “dead” people depicted in the video look as though they had just laid down to take a nap. Even on the pile, they are lying respectfully atop one another. One person in the hallway is lying on their back, hands demurely folded across their abdomen.

    People hit by bullets don’t just all conveniently lie down quietly. Not every shot hits a vital organ. Most shots that hit result in wounds and the wounded scream in pain and thrash about. Just look at the ratio of wounded to killed in battles or in hospital emergency wards, or, watch any good hunting video on YouTube. The Christchurch video makes it appear as though every shot were an instant kill shot.

    Something is amiss here.

  172. @Chris Mallory

    Would it make a person a “despicable piece of shit” if they said that 3000+ Americans would be alive if Saudis had not been allowed in the US?

    What it would do, is to expose them as a pretty easily fooled stupid.
    I suggest that you watch the five minute video called

    “9/11 Conspiracy Theory Explained in 5 Minutes!! ” (While it is still available!)

    And then do some research of your own.

  173. False Flag. The video that was posted on facebook clearly shows the gunman picking up a magazine off the floor that was there when he walked into the building. One still shot shows a man lying dead and the very next minute he is standing up. Another still shot shows a clock on the wall showing 14.00 hours or 2 o’clock in the afternoon yet this is supposed to have happened in the A.M.
    Also, just as at Sandy Hook there was no blood anywhere, even when the bullets were supposedly hitting the bodies.

    • Agree: Johnny Walker Read
  174. @Chris Mallory

    If we said that 52 people would still be alive if Muslims were not allowed in the UK in 2005, would that make us a “despicable piece of shit”?

    The same applies to the events of 2005/7/7 as applies to the events of 9/11. It has been irrefutably proven that the events of 7/7 were caused by the security services of at least the UK and Israel (possibly/probably the CIA as well.) and not by the Muslim patsies who were blamed for them.

    • Agree: NoseytheDuke
  175. Talha says:
    @ThreeCranes

    Nuke all the Middle East. Reduce that Wailing Wall to dust. Blast every bit of Abrahamic Civilization to smithereens. Jewish, Christian and Islamic alike. New York City, Los Angeles and Miami too while we’re at it.

    Uh…..K. Sounds reasonable.

    People who practice Abrahamic religions are hypocritical dipshits.

    Unlike yourself – a moral exemplar, no doubt – who merely wants to eliminate them and their children by pressing a button.

    I’ve yet to meet one who was worthy…

    …of life apparently. How dare they live on your planet without meeting your expectations??!! The nerve – cheeky bastards!

    the world would be a better place

    Well, there would be quite a lot more elbow space with about 4 billion or so people eliminated. So can’t really argue there.

    What am I going to do about it? Nothing.

    Wait, I thought you were going to nuke them? Are you saying you aren’t even capable of stopping cyber attacks from Jewish gremlins?

    Eventually you will learn to not criticize them.

    But advocating for their elimination by nuclear fire…they’re pretty cool with that. Crazy guys!

    Peace??!!

    • LOL: Ron Unz
    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    , @ThreeCranes
  176. @Anon

    Their presence has everything to do with the broad misery in our lands. To deny this is to have no experience with them or statistics. Few ethnic groups are excepted, and the largest one that is represents a real political threats to our sovereignty. We either get social destruction and crime or imperialism.

    This is blaming our fellow victims. We are all victims of the PTB that have engineered at least two World Wars and dozens of other wars and subjected the World to decades of Austerity and numerous slumps, not to forget the War on Terror and the War on drugs! This is not the fault of Muslims nor yet of Christians, but of a very few extremely greedy and evil people.

  177. @Talha

    Who said I was a “moral exemplar”? I make no claims to moral superiority. I don’t excuse my intolerance with sanctimonious claims to higher causes. I’m merely sick of their duplicity and incessant squabbling.

    Worthy? Not of respect. Of life? Certainly, if they would only leave the rest of us alone.

    And your last two comments are just randomly jumbled lotto drawings of ideas that are connected only by the emotional tenor of your own mind. Get your thoughts in order before you post.

    • Replies: @Talha
  178. Talha says:

    Whoa, what have we here?
    “New Zealand mosque shooting suspect reportedly visited Israel in 2016”
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/new-zealand-mosque-shooting-suspect-reportedly-visited-israel-in-2016/

    This guy apparently also visited North Korea??!!
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/

    Who does that??!! Who visits North Korea for fun?

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  179. Talha says:
    @ThreeCranes

    I make no claims to moral superiority.

    Ya don’t say…

    Of life? Certainly, if they would only leave the rest of us alone.

    So, if Christians, Jews and Muslims don’t leave the rest of you alone, then you are justified in nuking them…OK, now it’s making much more sense. Well, I guess we have it coming for sitting in restaurants you like to frequent and the post office and such…we really are incorrigible. I’m sure Buddhists and Hindus clear out when you make a reservation ahead of time.

    Get your thoughts in order before you post.

    Forgive me, I’ll try to be more coherent next time. I certainly don’t want any extra reasons to be floating about as to why I and my kids should be eliminated by nukes.

    Peace.

  180. @Talha

    There’s something wrong with that survey. Saudi Arabia and Yemen feature quite low on both surveys but the reality doesn’t prove it, especially regarding those two.

    • Replies: @Talha
  181. @Talha

    You are attempting to use the very ploy on me that has served you so successfully for centuries. You accuse the other of not living up to some lofty moral ideal. If they fall for your gambit and draw back, questioning themselves, you step into the gap and selfishly help yourself to what you guilt tripped them out of. The very reason for my disdain of Abrahamic religions.

    Smug, greedy, ruled by your insatiable appetites, you are selfish dogs. Fine if you were upfront about it but you can’t be that honest. You have to hide behind a projection, a hologram, of saintliness. This, and not my reaction to you, is what makes you unworthy of respect.

    • Troll: James Speaks
    • Replies: @Talha
  182. @Talha

    “justified in nuking them”

    You keep speaking of justifications and such.

    How do you justify your being on this Earth? What gives you the right to take up space and breathe oxygen?

    This is the problem with you monotheists. You keep appealing to some kind of authority, an eye in the sky who will somehow intervene on your behalf, take up your side of the argument, act as final arbiter in the countless disputes you have with your neighbors.

    You literally hear voices which tell you that you’re in the Right. You guys are nuts. Whackos.

    And you drag your hallucinations with you wherever you go. Then you involve innocent people in your clamorous disputations over your phantasms.

  183. @Talha

    Talha,

    Don’t be so picky. He went to Pakistan too, and don’t forget that there it’s a lot easier to buy automatic weapons and ammo than in NZ, just walk out to some market in Peshawar. But yes, I wonder how he got them over to NZ after his market shopping trip to Pakistan.

    Anyway he was on a fact finding mission for his own benefit and not looking for any “fun” until he got to Christchurch it seems (and hold your fire now – he seemed to think that was fun, as did his fans watching the live stream or replays).

    And what have you got against North Korea? They have no Muslims, no American, no Jews, no anybody but themselves to make trouble. And it’s virtually a crime-free zone with no need for chopping hands and heads in public. Oh they did catch an American thief stealing there one time and he got back with all limbs intact just worse for wear. It seems this shooter showed due respect and committed no crime while there or that would have been the end of him. And when he went to muslim countries it wasn’t as a missionary trying to convert the locals.

    And all these muslims in the west they show no outrage when their own brothers are blowing up civilians almost daily in muslim countries, even in those they originate from, but when an outsider does it to them once in a while they freak out. Sometimes I wonder if the exiles are not also involved in the internecine bloodbaths back home by funding the various islamic factions and cults with the tithes they pay their local mosques and donations. And the more of them move to the west that intra-muslim violence will spread too. Who needs all that? Another reason why it’s best to keep them apart.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @peterAUS
  184. @Talha

    Ah. I see you are a lawyer. You’ve switched the topic of conversation from my impossibly unrealistic daydream of nuking the pesky Mid East to the literal safety of you and your children in a local restaurant. You’re a tricky b*stard, epitomizing the point I’ve been making from the start.

    • Replies: @Talha
  185. Talha says:
    @ThreeCranes

    You accuse the other of not living up to some lofty moral ideal.

    Actually, it’s really not that lofty to not want to eliminate millions of people because their existence upsets you. Seriously, it’s not that amazing, it’s up there with thinking the following is immoral: torturing your kid to death because he ate a cookie when you told him not to.

    questioning themselves

    No, please. Don’t perform any self-reflection on the morality of your statements. You’re doing just fine. I’m sure those who raised you would be proud.

    You have to hide behind a projection, a hologram, of saintliness.

    I never said I’m a saint, but I haven’t advocated nuclear annihilation of people who “bother” me.

    How do you justify your being on this Earth? What gives you the right to take up space and breathe oxygen?

    Wow…I guess I don’t really have a good answer that you would approve of. I should probably go and blow my brains out now.

    This is the problem with you monotheists. You keep appealing to some kind of authority

    Well, yeah…guilty as charged.

    countless disputes you have with your neighbors.

    But I get along fine with my neighbors (even the non-Muslim ones) because that’s what I’m supposed to do as my teachers have taught me as per our tradition:
    “The Prophet (pbuh), said three times, ‘By Allah, he does not have faith!’ It was asked, ‘Who is that, O Messenger of Allah?’ The Prophet said, ‘He whose neighbor is not safe from his harm.’” – reported in Bukhari

    Then you involve innocent people in your clamorous disputations over your phantasms.

    Sure, much better to just nuke the whackos who bother you and be done with it. Easy way to end disputes.

    Peace.

  186. Talha says:
    @ThreeCranes

    I see you are a lawyer.

    No, just a programmer.

    my impossibly unrealistic daydream of nuking the pesky Mid East

    Oh OK – sorry, just the Middle East. Got it – sorry, I thought you meant nuking all Jews, Christians and Muslims. My fault, I made a bad assumption regarding what you daydream about.

    You’re a tricky b*stard

    MTA, baby! Muzzie Taqiyyah Awesomeness!!!

    Peace.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
  187. Talha says:
    @Commentator Mike

    He went to Pakistan too

    Well that’s the thing. This guy obviously traveled to a lot of places. Places most people don’t go. The narrative that he simply got radicalized online doesn’t seem to hold.

    And what have you got against North Korea?

    I’ve got nothing against North Korea. I simply think it is at the bottom of the list of world tourist destinations. Seriously, this doesn’t seem a little bit weird to you?

    all these muslims in the west they show no outrage when their own brothers are blowing up civilians almost daily in muslim countries

    We do, but it’s mostly online. Among the circles I frequent, we consider groups like Daesh to be accursed murderers and make no secret of it. We’ve been quite happy they will be finally defeated soon. That will help bring stability back to the region and hopefully back to the time when bombings weren’t a daily occurrence.

    when an outsider does it to them once in a while they freak out.

    Yes, some go a little overboard. Muslims need to grow some spine. Some people don’t like us, some people really hate us. Some of that hate is due to ignorance, that’s a pity. Some of that hate is due to knowing exactly what Islam is accurately – good, these people should hate us – having a stamp of approval from them would be seriously problematic. It’s just a wake up call that we have to get better regarding the security in our spaces. This dude got chased off by an Afghani uncle with a credit card machine in his hands. If a couple of these guys end up dying in any future attempts, that will help deter them. They are far more afraid of dying than we are.

    if the exiles are not also involved in the internecine bloodbaths back home by funding the various islamic factions and cults with the tithes they pay their local mosques and donations.

    Local mosques? No way – every mosque in the US knows that the FBI has their eyes on them and that any one of them could be shut down for potential terrorist ties or even lose millions in lawyer fees if a case even goes to court. Are there potential secret unofficial donations being made between some people who have ties and wire the money to those countries? Possibly.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  188. Talha says:
    @Commentator Mike

    but the reality doesn’t prove it, especially regarding those two

    Actually, I would say otherwise. People here seem to think that Salafi-Wahhabi extremists are the majority in places like Yemen and Saudi. That’s not the case at all. Those are just the loudest guys and (when it comes to Saudi), the guys who run the show.

    I’ve personally known brothers that have studied in Yemen, it was a pretty chill place (especially before the war):

    I mean sure, guys wear RPGs to and dance with daggers and swords at their cousin’s wedding, but that’s just local custom.

    All Westerners know about it is what they see on the news, so I get why they would be surprised by the numbers. Actually the one I was surprised by more was Egypt. That had quite a bit more hardcore sanguinary Salafis, but I can also see them having such a low percentage because many Egyptians have actually seen what these guys do in action and have been the victims of their violence first hand.

    Peace.

  189. @Talha

    Okay, Talha. I’m beginning to realize that you’re not 100% on board with my idea to wipe out the Middle East.

    But heh, it’s hard to come up with a plan that will please everybody. There will always be a few dissidents and malcontents. Whatareyagointado? Right?

    But objectively, don’t you agree that wiping the slate clean over there would be the best for everybody? Wouldn’t that serve the greatest number with the greatest good? I mean, try to get outside your narrow, petty, selfish concerns and think about the rest of us, what we’ve had to endure: the airplane highjackings, public bombings, incessant racket etc.

    You’re full of gloom and doom. Don’t always fixate on the bad. Think of all the good instead. The peace. No more people over there squabbling over who gets what day of the week to visit some rock in the ground or bow and scrape before some decrepit wall. No more listening to each side claiming that they’re right because the other side struck first. No more dragging up two thousand year old grievances and using them as a pretext for some current criminal extortion of another human population.

    Focus on the positive! Be optimistic! Things can change for the better if you’re willing to dare to dream!

    Now pull out of your funk and set your course on a star that is worthy of your better self. A star that lifts you from your provincialism, one that a heroic human can aspire to and one that brings out the best in him.

    You can do it!

    KaBoom!

    Peace in the Middle East–and for the rest of us as well–at last.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
    , @Talha
  190. “A Muslim leader in New Zealand said the attack was especially shocking as it took place around Friday Prayer. The police urged people to stay away from the mosques until further notice.” You know it’s fake when you hear nonsense like this. You can only make this stuff up.

  191. @Commentator Mike

    OK you have convinced me. Let’s kill everybody and get it over with.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  192. @Talha

    North Korea. I simply think it is at the bottom of the list of world tourist destinations. Seriously, this doesn’t seem a little bit weird to you?

    Perhaps to experience what a truly unique monoculture ethnic state looks like, since he might like to see an equivalent one set up by whites.

    Are there potential secret unofficial donations being made between some people who have ties and wire the money to those countries? Possibly.

    The IRA used to collect plenty of funds from sympathisers in the US?

    Anyway, if you’ve followed what’s available so far, doubts have been cast on the authenticity of this attack. There’s certainly a lot that doesn’t add up. I really can’t tell if it’s real, a hoax, or a false flag. If it’s one of the latter two then we’ll never be told because of government involvement. But I can see why muslims would attack the west with suicide bombers in retaliation for the wars on their countries, just as I can see why whites would retaliate on them too. So some of all these terror attacks must be genuine, it would be foolish to think that there isn’t enough anger or know how and determination amongst the disgruntled not to perpetrate them. Unfortunately, from the standpoint of public order but that’s how it is. They seem to want people to accept that this is how they have to live, but I’ll still say that before this mass immigration the west was far safer and more livable, and it is this very fact that attracts the immigrants who then ruin it. To think that this is all just coincidental and the price of some supposed economic “progress”, or just stupidity on the part of politicians, rather than an elaborate long-term plan by some dark forces directing all this behind the scenes, would be a little naive by now.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @jeff stryker
  193. @ploni almoni

    I wouldn’t know how to go about it. You have to discuss it with ThreeCranes, he seems to have an idea. Anyway none of us have the nuclear codes, and if we did I doubt we’d really press the button. Hell I’ve been told that even the presidents don’t make those decisions despite carrying those briefcases about. Apparently there are those who can override them. Just in case someone like ThreeCanes gets elected.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
  194. Well boys, it’s been a pleasure knowing you, and to any law enforcement agencies who may be monitoring this website, I completely renounce and denounce white nationalism as well as white people in general. I’m looking for a new hobby now; I’ve heard there are some devilishly challenging jigsaw puzzles out there.

  195. @Talha

    TALHA

    Since most modern Western secular countries were initially founded upon some pretense of Christianity you might as well nuke the entire country, no?

  196. @ThreeCranes

    Transforming the Middle East into a sea of glass isn’t an original suggestion. Even people of faith, weary of the overwhelming hypocrisy among their ranks, have fantasized about it while grateful they don’t have their finger on the button.

    In the end, it’s just too much paperwork.

  197. @Commentator Mike

    Relax. Three Cranes has no aspirations for public office. Has, in fact, never carried a briefcase containing even so much as a tuna sandwich. Further, he has no personal animas towards Middle Easterners in general, but does see how and why some do.

    Nevertheless, he is particularly galled by their defilement of one installment of Europe’s most time-honored and sacred religious holiday: the 1972 Munich Olympics. In this they demonstrated that Islam is utterly alien to the Spirit of Europe. For their sacrilege they should have been banned from participation until they renounced their idolatrous religion.

  198. @Michael Hoffman

    Brevik targeted the youth wing of the Norwegian labor party, one of the major Norwegian political parties. This killed those who would have been the cream of the politicians of the Norwegian labor party today.

    If they were alive today they would be at the forefront of welcoming the influx of refugees, and doing everything in their power to increase the flow while smothering the opposition.

    I note today that the refugee problem in Norway is nowhere near the level of seriousness as neighboring Sweden.

    Hmmm…

  199. @Michael Hoffman

    The Christians, Jews and Muslims all serve the same monstrous demon. I don’t think that following the ‘good’ book is going to lead us out of this and to salvation.

  200. Saxon says:
    @Corvinus

    >Also, recall that the Europeans jackbooted natives to get gimmedats and free stuff,
    Yes we totally leeched off of them by building our two countries on the continent up from absolutely nothing. You are smart.

  201. peterAUS says:
    @Commentator Mike

    ….I wonder how he got them over to NZ after his market shopping trip to Pakistan….

    Two minutes Google:
    http://www.armsregister.com/articles/articles_documents/nzar_a4_nz_firearm_&_licencing_categories.pdf
    Scroll down to “E Endorsement”.

    Of course, the Govt will now change it.

    Then, after the next event, they’ll change (down) something else.

    At the same time, the same Govt will keep arming its police force with full auto weapons.
    In a couple of years, only Government and criminals will have firearms. Smart, a?

    Oh, BTW, the person who stopped the massacre at the first location was a local citizen, Muslim, with his own, personal, firearm. NOT Police, SAS or whatever. Of course, that information is….hahaha…..not much discussed by the usual suspects around.

    The funny thing is only that the general White public there has no clue about what’s really going on.

    At least for now.

  202. Talha says:
    @ThreeCranes

    it’s hard to come up with a plan that will please everybody.

    Yeah.

    But objectively, don’t you agree that wiping the slate clean over there would be the best for everybody?

    Nah. I think they should work it out. I mean sure, sometimes my boys fight or who gets which turn and when on the video game console and it does irk me when I have to intervene…but I gotta admit, I don’t think I ever thought; “well, if I just slit all their throats right now, I won’t have to deal with this crap ever again!”

    and think about the rest of us, what we’ve had to endure: the airplane highjackings, public bombings

    You do realize secular-militant groups that have nothing to do with the Middle East are pretty cool with public bombings, right?

    You can do it! KaBoom!

    Of course!!! Waaa hoooo! Waaaaa hoooooo!

    Peace.

    *Thanks by the way for this latest round of trolling, good stuff – hope I gave as good as I received.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
  203. Talha says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Perhaps to experience what a truly unique monoculture ethnic state looks like, since he might like to see an equivalent one set up by whites.

    Ewww – is that serious? He would be going to North Korea to look for inspiration as to how to model a society??!! Man – that dude had serious problems.

    The IRA used to collect plenty of funds from sympathisers in the US?

    Like I said – is it going on under the table? Probably. There are probably also Catholic communities that are funneling funds into militant narco-groups. In the mosques as part of fundraising? Highly doubtful.

    I really can’t tell if it’s real, a hoax, or a false flag.

    The official narrative certainly doesn’t seem sound. Still some open questions.

    I’ll still say that before this mass immigration the west was far safer and more livable

    I’ll agree. I remember it in the 80’s – not the same problems.

    rather than an elaborate long-term plan by some dark forces directing all this behind the scenes

    Well, to me, that is a metaphysical question as much as any other.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  204. @Talha

    Somehow I don’t think we added anything to what has already been said ad nauseam about the M.E.. Nor have we moved the line one iota towards resolution.

    Coming to UNZ sometimes reminds me of those stories told by the early ethologists about watching monkeys and chimps patrol the perimeter of their territories first thing in the morning. When they encountered the neighboring tribe, they stood face to face and hollered at each other at the top of their lungs, feigned charges and pounded the earth with their fists, sticks and whatever else came to hand.

    Altogether, good exercise. And it clears the lungs.

    Cheers.

  205. @Commentator Mike

    MIKE

    We were never sure what Reagan and Kennedy’s sympathies were as Irish-American President. Neither stood up and said “I condemn the IRA”.

  206. Rurik says:
    @ThreeCranes

    Excellent.

    yes, that was very good

    and I also enjoyed the exchange between yourself and Talha

    Reflecting on the Christchurch incident, I’ve noticed from some quarters a stark lack of sympathy for the deceased and their families.

    As I attempt to make sense of that, a discussion I had long ago came to mind.

    Someone was being encouraged to go to Afghanistan as a contractor. I was alarmed, because I knew this person, and wanted to warn them against it. As it turned out, it seems there was a king’s ransom to be made for people with certain skills. But luckily, they didn’t take the offer.

    But what I didn’t tell them, is that if they had gotten killed over there by the local Afghanis, then I would have figured they sort of deserved it. Because what they’d be doing is ridding piggyback on the war crimes of the Fiend, and to me, all minions of the Fiend are guilty by association. Especially those trying to profit off of innocent nations and people being ravaged by the Fiend.

    Which brings us to Christchurch.

    By now it’s brutally obvious that the Globohomo PTB, (the Fiend / International Jewish supremacism / Zionism) has targeted the West for depraved genocide / replacement / blending. Not only are they to be inundated with wave after wave of (often hostile) ‘others’, they’re going to be expected to pay for the privilege. A truly humiliating way for a civilization to die.

    But what about the “refugees” (migrants, immigrants, invaders)?

    Are they partly to blame?

    I think it’s really a case by case basis. Because if you’re a women from Syria, or Libya, whose had her whole family slaughtered off, and her village leveled by ((NATO)), then perhaps I see an obligation for the nations who did that to accommodate this pitiable woman. Not New Zealand, of course, but perhaps the ZUS and France, and the nations directly responsible, no?

    But on the other hand, if you’re a young man, and have not been directly effected by ((NATO)) bombing or droning of your country, but have in mind to come to the West to pick at the spoils of a conquered people, and participate in the colonization of these people’s countries, then I sort of wonder if someone like that doesn’t deserve the ‘Brenton Tarrant treatment’.

    How many young men (from Third World backgrounds of all kinds) are taking full advantage of the (((murder))) of the West that’s going on today?

    How are they any different than Western contractors getting rich off the misery and suffering of places like Iraq or Afghanistan or Libya, and so many others.

    I’d have no sympathy for an American opportunist going to Venezuela to hook up the oil lines after Maduro falls and Venezuela is being ravaged by the Fiend. He would deserve what he got, if a Venezuela nationalist plugged him with holes.

    And similarly, if a Middle Eastern or African or Caribbean young man was intent on taking advantage of the demographic war on the West, and intending to help colonize it and impose themselves upon it, as he slurped the lucre flowing from it’s dying body, then I suppose he too would have what’s coming to him.

    just some ruminating I was doing..

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
  207. Che Guava says:

    Excuse me, Jeff.

    I see that I have some incoherent posts recently.

    However, I read your replies, of interest.

  208. @Talha

    He was exploring so he visited a variety of countries. He states that he liked the neighbouring PR China system best. He doesn’t mention what he thought of North Korea.

  209. Talha says:

    He states that he liked the neighbouring PR China system best.

    Interesting…OK.

    I had a recent exchange with a White ethno-nationalist on twitter who espoused the views (among other things) that:
    1) Islam (and some other religions) should be banned
    2) A eugenics program should be initiated to make sure poor Whites have no more than one child, while productive Whites are incentivized to produce more

    Asked him if he was married and had kids. “No, no, blah, blah…excuses…”

    Asked him if he was able to convince anybody around him like family members of his views. “No, no, blah, blah…I don’t hang around the people I should be…”

    It’s funny these guys rile against Islam as some oppressive and intrusive system. What they advocate or tend to like is a Pharoanic security-state nightmare.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  210. Anon[220] • Disclaimer says:

    Daily reminder that Judaism has a vested interest in seeing a large scale “End Time” war between Europe and Islam. See the Jewish scripture referenced further below that details this explicitly.

    Therefore, Jewish politicians, lobbying interests, and media that are constantly pushing this tense balance between Europeans and Islam, which is never allowed to be remedied in sane ways, should be wholly rejected from western society to avoid that fate. They are pushing a religious agenda by stoking war between Islam and the West:

    [MORE]

    https://www.betemunah.org/edom.html

    Edom

    By Rabbi Dr. Hillel ben David (Greg Killian)

    ***
    Excerpts that give the required context for the identity of Edom and Esau. They refer to all of the West, since the Jews see the West as using Roman government systems:

    Jewish tradition gives us the following formula:
    Esau=Edom=Rome=Christianity.

    ***
    These two, Yaaqov and Esau, are going to be fighting throughout history. Later, these powers coalesce; Rome gives rise to the Western culture and its religion and it continues to fight the Jewish people.

    ***
    The present exile is seen as an extension of the Roman exile (Edom is Rome), since culturally and legally, Western civilization shares the values and worldview of ancient Rome. A subset of this exile is that of Ishmael, the Arabs, who are seen as an antithesis of Roman civilization and values, and who will rule over the Jewish people for a time concurrently with the exile of Rome.

    The Jewish scriptural reference for the below text that founds my primary claim in my opening paragraph of this post:

    Zohar Torah portion of Va’era page 32a

    alternately:

    Soncino Zohar, Shemoth, Section 2, Page 32a

    In the future, the children of Yishmael will rule over the Holy land for a long time while the land is
    empty, just as their circumcision is empty and without completion. And they will hinder the children of Israel from returning to their place, until their merit in the Holy land runs out.

    In the future the children of Yishmael will stir great wars in the world. And the children of Edom [the West] will gather against them, and make war with them, one on the sea, and one on the land, and one by Jerusalem; and each one will prevail over the other but the Holy land will notfall to the hands of Edom.

    At the same time, a nation from the end of the world will be awakened against wicked Rome. (Rome here is said to refer to the spiritual center of western civilization) and it will make war against her for three months, and many nations will gather there, and they will fall by her hand, until all the children of Edom will gather against her from all corners of the earth.

    And then G-d will awaken Himself against them, as it says, “a sacrificial slaughter for the Lord in Batzra”, and it says, “to shake the corners of the Land”. And after this, the children of Yishmael will be finished from the world. And all the supernal powers of the nations will be broken, and no power will remain above except for the power of Israel alone.

    / end Zohar excerpt

    ***
    Our festival readings during Succoth also speak to the war between Edom and Ishmael
    The Haftorot for both the first day of Succoth, from Zechariah 14:1-21, and Shabbat Chol HaMoed Succoth. from Yechezkel 38:18 – 39:16, describe the wars of Gog and Magog, the battles preceding the advent of the Messianic Era. These battles revolve around Jerusalem with the chief combatants being Edom and Yishmael (see Malbim to Yechezkel 38:2). Certainly the recent tragic events, once again pitting Christian (the traditional inheritors of the Edom dynasty) countries against Moslem (descendants of Yishmael) countries, are frightening reminders of the eventual fulfillment of these prophecies.

    Edom will be demolished” – This refers to David, (as it is written [Cf. II Shmuel 8:6 and 8:14], “Edom became the servants of David”); “his enemy, Seir, will be destroyed” – This refers to Mashiach, (as it is written [Ovadiah 1:21], “Saviors will ascend Mount Zion [to judge the mountain of Esau….]”).

    ***
    The small book written by the prophet Ovadiah contains a prophecy regarding the end of Edom:

    Ovadiah 1:17-21 But upon mount Zion shall be deliverance, and there shall be holiness; and the house of Jacob shall possess their possessions. And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph aflame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be [any] remaining of the house of Esau;

    ***

    If Esau / Edom’s success is inversely proportional to that of Yaaqov / Israel, then it follows naturally that the punishment of Edom who now enslaves us in exile will come at the same time as the redemption.

    (the Jews see our governments as their slavery)

  211. Anonymous[124] • Disclaimer says:
    @EVROPA

    Some conservatives tend to push an idea of wanting to have the whole thing come crashing down, a Civil War, Resetting the clock, while we still have our numbers. After all, “we’re the one with the guns”. And the side with guys who know how to fight instead of how to wear high heels. Which is true, at least if we are looking at We the People of the Right vs the civilian population of the left.

    But what’s forgotten is that the left controls the institutions, pulls the levers on the police, the military, the financial institutions, etc. Yeah, many of the Rank and File in these organizations would disagree, but the leaders are nearly 100% behind the left, and the Rank and File fall in line behind them. Just look at how they are willing to stand down when commanded, despite knowing what Antifa, or unruly black mobs are doing. Yeah, a bunch of libtard antifa in pajamas would be toast, but those in power on the left view them as pawns anyway- that’s why the Commies referred to them as Useful Idiots.

    I suspect if the ‘sh*t hit the fan’, armed contigents of rightwingers would indeed get off to a roaring start off the blocks mopping up snowflakes who would find that their coloring books and rainbow flags are not a good defense in real life. But in short order, the military and/or police would quickly overwhelm them, perhaps institute martial law for at least a while and disarm the population. It may even be the leftists who want most of all for a Civil War, as it would give them an opportunity to seize power in a way they have yet to achieve, and to have an excuse to purge/imprison Rightists.

  212. @Talha

    Yeah, we can all come to these websites and act little dictators in cyberspace outlining the most outlandish policies we’d wish to implement even though there’d be no takers even if we had some influence IRL. I’ve got some outlandish ideas too I’d like to implement. I think we should take it a step at the time. I love reading some of these American ethno nationalists already discussing rules for their hypothetical ethno states most seriously when they’re so far from even establishing them, or garnering the public support to go and establish them.What a waste of time. And most of our ideas will just bring us into conflict with others who have different ideas. But that’s how history goes. Now those humourless bastards who have the power to implement ideas IRL are the problem from the look of things, not some guy they want banned because he’s outlining MOs for genocide and SOPs for genocide implementers. Fancy banning people their imagination and right to fantasize and killing their sense of humour. Sad.

    • Replies: @Talha
  213. Talha says:
    @Commentator Mike

    What a waste of time. And most of our ideas will just bring us into conflict with others who have different ideas.

    Exactly! That’s what I told the guy; you wanna know maybe why you can’t get a date? Cause the stuff you talk about makes you sound like a frickin’ psychopath. And then he’s going to complain; the ladies don’t like me. Uh yeah, did you read what you are fantasizing about vis-a-vis their rights? It’s like a meme made from an imaginary hyper-macho version of the Shariah. No wonder it’s a sausage-fest.

    Now those humourless bastards who have the power to implement ideas IRL are the problem from the look of things

    Yup, these kinds of events will play right into their hands. Hyper eyes-everywhere security-state…well, maybe that NZ shooter guy won’t mind much if we become more and more like China anyway…

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  214. @Talha

    And then he’s going to complain; the ladies don’t like me.

    Uh, I don’t know but maybe where he’s living there aren’t any, or very few, real ladies left, at least from what I see passing for women these days out in the west. I would have thought that even the term “lady” is unacceptable among womenfolk there, and never mind “gentlemanly” behaviour – that would get you some hateful stern looks from these feminists and probably even into some trouble nowadays.

    People who put some thought into things are bound to be contradictory. Anyway one of the heavyweights of the European traditionalist movement, Rene Guenon, who is a great influence on the intellectuals of the alt-right was himself a convert to Islam, but to his credit he moved to a muslim country to spend the rest of his days there rather than in the west. He’s a little too deep and esoteric for me but very interesting. He did have intellectual exchanges with Julius Evola, another influence on the new right who was himself a super fascist and used to do esoteric research for Himmler’s SS.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/René_Guénon

    Regarding humour, I remember when they banned passengers making certain jokes at airports. Now it seems they want to extend this to everywhere, and it sure feels like living in an airport in many places these days. America especially is like that and the sad thing is they’re turning Europe into another America, and they want the whole world to be America, for all nations to lose that which makes them unique. I am strongly opposed to that and don’t even like fusion cuisine, I prefer individual unique tastes.

    I’ve spent a lot of time in the East and what I find strange about westerners is that they’re so opinionated, especially the liberals and lefties, never for a moment doubting their firmly held political beliefs. In the East people are less political and far less opinionated, except of course when it comes to religion, then forget having a reasonable discussion. These liberals now want do imprison people for their opinions and political views but I wonder what the’d think of countries where it is a criminal offense to not have a religion and not believe in God. I’ve lived in such countries where people just don’t have a concept of what is atheism and that it is at all possible for someone not to believe in God, and it is literally a crime not to have a religion; and although disliked even a Jew would get a pass on that regulation, but an atheist not.

    • Replies: @Talha
  215. @MBlanc46

    But here’s the thing: random peasants in a Mosque somewhere don’t “rule over us”; they don’t make policy. Those peasants are being manipulated by the scumbags at the top just like everyone else.

    And it seems clear that the policy-making scumbags at the top don’t understand/appreciate “violence” unless it threatens them personally.

    Compared to the Puerto Rican nationalists who had the guts to take the fight directly to the scumbags themselves, for example, Brenton Tarrant (to the extent he’s “real” in the first place) is nothing but a pathetic, sniveling coward.

    To the extent he’s “real” and the narrative is accurate, Tarrant is not just a coward, but an ignorant fool whose murderous act will result in more gun laws and more sympathy for immigrants; ultimately working against his apparent “agenda.”

    (BTW after briefly looking at “his” childishly nonsensical and conspicuously jew-friendly “manifesto,” my present belief is that Tarrant was either a mind-controlled dupe or an agent).

    https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/puerto-rican-nationalists-wound-five-representatives

  216. Talha says:
    @Commentator Mike

    or very few, real ladies left, at least from what I see passing for women these days out in the west

    OK – but if the twitter guy says he wants to stop the Great Replacement, he’s got to start somewhere, right? Beggars can’t be choosers.

    I’ve heard of both Guenon and Evola – listened to a talk based on his insights from “Ride the Tiger: A Survival Manual for the Aristocrats of the Soul “. Not much more than that though.

    except of course when it comes to religion, then forget having a reasonable discussion.

    LOOOL! Yeah, it’s interesting how various people choose what not to be reasonable about.

    I’ve lived in such countries where people just don’t have a concept of what is atheism and that it is at all possible for someone not to believe in God

    I’ve seen videos about that, where they ask some random person (usually more rural) what they think of atheism and the guy is like; “What do you mean?”, “Those people exist?” …can’t seem to get his head around the concept.

    Peace.

  217. Have you seen this frame by frame debunking of the Hoax being referred to as the Christchurch shooting? Very convincing – https://www.kurthaskell.com/blog/why-i-now-believe-the-new-zealand-event-was-a-complete-hoax-with-zero-dead

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  218. @HoaxingMatilda

    Thanks for that link.

    Kurt Haskell is the American patriot who exposed the “underwear bomber” hoax, and he believes that Tarrant is a Mossad agent. He could be very well be right about that, IMO. One thing I’m quite sure about is that the manifesto was written by a jew.

  219. @Talha

    but if the twitter guy says he wants to stop the Great Replacement, he’s got to start somewhere, right? Beggars can’t be choosers.

    Personally I think the white population stabilising at some lower number, even say 500 million is not a problem given the inventiveness of the whites and the increasing automation and robotics. Getting into some breeding wars with other races as a solution for anything is ridiculous as the world certainly needs no more people than it has. What other races do in their own countries is their own problem and if they wish to breed like rats so be it but why should it impact on those who don’t want to?

    The problem is globalisation where they try to mix people up so that anybody’s problem becomes everybody’s problem. Here I’m again dispensing advice without the power and authority to implement it, but I’d seal everything from Vladivostok to the Rio Grande with a huge wall, electric fences, mine fields, and let a population of 500 million – 800 whites carry on with their civilisation within those bounds. The rest can do whatever they want outside and if they can build something they can be proud of and happy with good for them. They certainly have enough natural resources within Africa, Asia and the rest of the Americas to do that not to mention the human resources they have in abundance and they can keep adding to as it is a renewable resource after all.

  220. sb says:

    Watching what is going on in New Zealand from Australia I’m beginning to really fear for that country .
    This period of solidarity with Islam may well go on for a decade or so and Muslims – who are pretty good at gaming Western immigration anyway -will come in large numbers to NZ and there will be little objection as few will want to be called Islamophobic . Indeed having any issues with Islam will probably be made illegal the way things look now .There just seem to be just so many SJWs everywhere in NZ

    Doesn’t take a lot for a country of under five million to change very quickly . I’ve been surprised how mulltiracial the crowd scenes of Christchurch have been . I remember the whole South Island being extremely white a mere generation ago

    If it’s any consolation Ireland another country which was in recent memory extremely white and of similar population to NZ will probably go the same way .
    Both countries have been largely geographically sheltered from the front line of the Cold Race War by larger neighbours ( as has Canada ? )

    • Replies: @Talha
  221. @Talha

    Another thing I’ve found strange among the muslims of the Malay races in Southeast Asia is that they consider it blasphemy and sacrilege for a non-muslim to use Arabic language, and if one does one often gets dirty looks. This view there is held not just by ordinary people but by government and religious officials, although I don’t think that there is a law against it per se. I used to tell them that Arabic Christian bibles and masses in churches are in Arabic language and I got looks of disbelief, and trying to tell them that Arabic was the native language of Arab Christians as they have no other also drew incredulous looks. Now those higher up in government and the religious ministry know this very well but they still promote this attitude that ordinary people should feel offended if an infidel uses Arabic which they consider a sacred language holy to Muslims only. Very strange indeed.

    • Replies: @Waitemata
  222. Talha says:
    @sb

    This period of solidarity with Islam may well go on for a decade or so and Muslims

    Exactly. Moves like shooting up a mosque and killing women and children in the process is stupid and counterproductive.

    At this point, the Muslims of NZ have the ball in their court. They are relatively isolated and small and if they can keep extremism out of their community and keep their youth from forming ethnic gangs that deal drugs or prey on the locals (especially their women). Then they have basically sealed the deal. Some politician yelling in the UK or France or even Australia is not going to make a bit of difference if they can make the reality on the ground completely counter to their narrative.

    If it’s any consolation Ireland another country which was in recent memory extremely white and of similar population to NZ will probably go the same way

    Possibly – again, a lot depends on if the Muslims there decide to act like idiots or are a boon to the population. I have seen traditional Christians in America giving kudos to Muslim doctors in Ireland refusing to participate in and comply with the new abortion laws.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
    , @Rurik
  223. @Rurik

    Bravo. At least you’re willing to entertain the thought that some times, murder is justified. Committing homicide while defending one’s family and home is the natural and right thing to do. And you’re consistent. Muslims, Jews, Europeans, Asians and aborigines; all are justified in using whatever it takes to protect their homelands from invasion. I couldn’t agree more.

    These people who state, a priori, that murder is never justified, irritate me. This means that, if they were consistent, they would stand around wringing their hands while their daughter was raped right before their eyes.

    Here’s something relevant. Most thinkers are familiar with the notion Hobbes put forth in his Leviathan, that the State has an absolute monopoly on absolute force. What they omit is one of his preconditions which limits the power of any State. He said explicitly that no State can force an individual to do anything which results in one’s own demise. This, he wrote, was contrary to Natural Law, which trumped State Law.

    Convenient huh? How those who anoint themselves as Leviathan, with the right to determine immigration policy, have somehow neglected or forgotten Hobbes’ key provisio.

    Obviously, this makes them unworthy of our allegiance. Having violated the fundamental Law of Nature, they may no longer seek protection or claim special consideration from us. They have put themselves beyond the Law so they are no longer protected by it.

    Which is, of course, why they are so paranoid. For example, last week Krugman wrote about how the rise of nationalism worries him and (naturally) called for more draconian suppression of free speech on the internet. You look at a photo of him and he does look worried. As well he should. His systems are functioning well. He’s guilty. And he’s worried because he is guilty. But he can’t admit that. So he turns everything around and blames his sleeplessness on the people whom he has forced to self destruct. At a fundamental level though, he knows that he stands outside Natural Law but tries to fool himself into believing that man’s law can successfully supress Natural Law.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  224. @Talha

    TALHA

    On the subject of street gangs and drug dealing, that depends upon the group and not the religion. Muslims who manage to immigrate to America are educated and relatively wealthy, like your own parents.

    Sikhs, who are synonymous with gangs and crime in Canada, are the highest-earning and best educated people in UK.

    To walk through a Bangladeshi or Pakistani part of London is dangerous (Though not like Detroit) while walking through a Pakistani community in NYC is safer than most other ethnic groups.

    Religion seems to have little to do with crime and gangs. It really depends upon the source of the immigration. Pakistani immigrants to America are mostly from Karachi; those to UK are from the wild Kashmir frontier.

    There is also the neighborhood, all-important to child development. Bangladeshis who grow up in the US suburbs are perfectly functional; those who grow up in London’s slums often become part of the statistical violence and crime.

    To associate behavior with religion would be erroneous. Irish-American Catholics districts don’t have the crime of Mexican barrios, despite a shared faith.

    I’m not an apologist. I am a realist. Seemingly one of the few on this site.

    • Replies: @Talha
  225. You want the truth? You want the truth? You can’t handle the truth..
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/DQiJ4rW8HgW3/

  226. Talha says:
    @jeff stryker

    Religion seems to have little to do with crime and gangs. It really depends upon the source of the immigration.

    That’s how it looks to me. Sources of immigration and the particular environment (for instance, are the people spread out into suburbs or clustered into ghettos).

    Irish-American Catholics districts don’t have the crime of Mexican barrios, despite a shared faith.

    Good point.

    I’m not an apologist. I am a realist.

    I do appreciate your comments that bring these nuances into scope.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  227. @Talha

    TALHA

    The whites with the greatest social pathology are the ones who are seemingly the most religious-the Bible Belt of evangelical Christians has the highest rate of petty crime. Where there are these churches there will be poverty, drug abuse, teen pregnancy, whiggerdom and petty crime.

    Organized crime is synonymous with the Catholic church. Wherever there are huge cathedrals there is the Italian mafia.

    If we associated evangelical churches with meth and Opoid abuse or Catholic cathedrals with “gangland slayings” we’d be fairly accurate.

    But how often do street crimes occur around US mosques? Lone wolf terrorism? Sure, it happens. But persistent street crime among Iranians and Gujarati merchants in America?

    • Replies: @James Forrestal
  228. Rurik says:
    @Talha

    or prey on the locals (especially their women).

    good luck with that Talha,

    do a quick search for the charming expression ‘leb style’

    something new to the lexicon of Australia, previously un-blessed with the ‘joys’ of such diversity.

    Peace.

  229. Rurik says:
    @ThreeCranes

    you’re willing to entertain the thought that some times, murder is justified. Committing homicide while defending one’s family and home is the natural and right thing to do

    not murder, by definition

    if what happened at the mosque is true, there is no justification for that.

    but if Tarrant had killed a Muslim (or Christian, for that matter) rapist, or a cuck advocating for more of them, then I’d have to approve, at least within the confines of what’s reasonable and moral.

    As to the rest of your thoughtful comment, I more or less agree.

    Well said.

  230. Waitemata says:
    @Commentator Mike

    This has happened in New Zealand with a health worker I know who is a devotee of Yogananda and thought it would be a friendly thing to learn a little Arabic. He learn’t a quick lesson. On the other hand an Iraqi lady I knew once read in Arabic, to a group of N.Z. friends from the Rubiayat of Omar Khayyamt she had managed to smuggle out of Iraq. In four languages it was the only memento from her father’s extensive library.

  231. Anonymous[241] • Disclaimer says:

    To use a Sailerism… CTRL-F “8ch.net” = 0/0.
    What is the largest (but hidden) board on 8ch.net?
    Are some “conspiracy theories” true?

  232. @jeff stryker

    Here we see Stryker yet again spewing his mindless, hate-filled Christophobia, long-debunked semitic canards, and virulent anti-White hatred.

    Sad!

    He really needs to let go of his rabid, unreasoning hatred, and to learn to be more tolerant.

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