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SAN FRANCISCO — A top executive and daughter of the founder of the Chinese tech giant Huawei was arrested on Saturday in Canada at the request of the United States, in a move likely to escalate tensions between the two countries at a delicate moment.

The arrest of Meng Wanzhou, the chief financial officer, unfolded on the same night that President Trump and President Xi Jinping of China dined together in Buenos Aires and agreed to a 90-day trade truce. The two countries are set to begin tense negotiations in hopes of ending a trade war that has been pummeling both economies.

Those talks now face an even steeper challenge. The aim will be for the United States to ease its tariffs; in exchange, China will be expected to lower trade barriers and further open its markets to American businesses.

What’s more, Ms. Meng’s detention raises questions about the Trump administration’s overall China strategy. Beijing is now likely to pressure Canada to release her and to press the United States to avoid a trial.

“The arrest of a family member linked to Huawei’s founder indicates how the tension between the two sides is rapidly escalating,” said T.J. Pempel, a professor of political science at the University of California, Berkeley, who specializes in East Asian politics and economy.

Ms. Meng, who joined Huawei in 1993 and is also a deputy chairwoman, was taken into custody in Vancouver on Dec. 1, said Ian McLeod, a spokesman for Canada’s Justice Department. He said she was “sought for extradition by the United States” but did not give a reason for what prompted the arrest. He added that a publication ban requested by Ms. Meng prevented him from providing any further details. A bail hearing has been set for Friday.

Senator Ben Sasse, a Republican of Nebraska, linked the arrest to the American sanctions against Iran.

Mr. Sasse said China had been “working to creatively undermine our national security interests, and the United States and our allies can’t sit on the sidelines.” He added that “Americans are grateful that our Canadian partners have arrested the chief financial officer of a giant Chinese telecom company for breaking U.S. sanctions against Iran.”

Huawei, China’s largest telecom equipment maker, has been under investigation into whether it had broken American trade controls to countries including Cuba, Iran, Sudan and Syria.

 
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  1. anarchyst says:

    Since when does the USA have jurisdiction over foreigners?

    • Replies: @Fran Macadam
    , @Bubba
  2. Beibdnn says:

    Oh dear. Canada shows the level they have descended to. The U.S.A. had better enjoy it’s rapidly diminishing popularity whilst it lasts because this National Security bullcr*p is becoming risable. Washington trying to strong arm China’s rapidly expanding economy and high tech electronics and other industries by mob bully boy tactics will eventually blow up in their faces, leaving them very burned.

  3. “Americans are grateful that our Canadian partners have arrested the chief financial officer of a giant Chinese telecom company for breaking U.S. sanctions against Iran.”

    Imperial Washington’s jurisdiction is the Earth. Got it.

    How shall we address Ms. Wanzhou? Political prisoner? Hostage?

  4. Ronnie says:

    Interesting that a famous Chinese physicist Zhang Shoucheng who is a Prof at Stanford died on December 1st after a battle with depression – perhaps he was connected to Ms Meng or Huawei in some way. The Chinese must have people advising them on how to do these things and what is the best strategy. The family of Prof Zhang denied Chinese social media rumors that his death was due to US-China tensions or the arrest of Huawei’s CFO. Many rumours circulated on Chinese social media about his sudden demise, some trying to build links between his death to a possible US government investigation under Section 301 of US trade law into Zhang’s Danhua capital and even stretching to connect it to the arrest of Huawei’s CFO Meng Wanzhou on the same day.
    In a exclusive interview with the South China Morning Post, a representative of the family said “there is no truth to this uninformed speculation”.

  5. JLK says:

    There’s no doubt that this is a major escalation, and that China will think of some way to forcibly retaliate. I’d be worried if I was a General Motors exec.

  6. Odin Gray says:

    This is one of the occasions when it is embarrassing to be a Canadian.

    With the senior Trudeau, we had at least some semblance of independent foreign policy.

    With the failed drama teacher son, we are clearly just another lapdog of the Trump regime.

    • Replies: @Tulips
  7. Ron Unz says:

    Well, I’d say the closest analogy that comes to mind is when Prince Salman of Saudi Arabia kidnapped the Prime Minister of Lebanon earlier this year and held him hostage. Later he more successfully did the same with hundreds of the wealthiest Saudis, extorting something like $100 billion in ransom before releasing them.

    We should actually be a bit grateful to Prince Salman since without him America would clearly have the most insane government anywhere in the world. As it stands, we’re merely tied for first.

    This reminds me of a comment I wrote a couple of years ago:

    Or to apply a far harsher biological metaphor, consider a poor canine infected with the rabies virus. The virus may have no brain and its body-weight is probably less than one-millionth that of the host, but once it has seized control of the central nervous system, the animal, big brain and all, becomes a helpless puppet.

    Once friendly Fido runs around foaming at the mouth, barking at the sky, and trying to bite all the other animals it can reach. Its friends and relatives are saddened by its plight but stay well clear, hoping to avoid infection before the inevitable happens, and poor Fido finally collapses dead in a heap.

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/sane-gessen-a-nice-putin-wouldnt-behave-much-differently/#comment-884397

    I’ve been saying for years that I really wouldn’t be surprised if the ultimate endpoint of our national trajectory is a wholesale popular massacre of all our ruling political, financial, media, and intellectual elites…

  8. @anarchyst

    Ever since it could enforce it. Look at the Assange asylum issue – a foreign news editor, outside the U.S., is de facto incarcerated while awaiting deportation to the U.S., for revealing to the U.S. public the duplicity of political elites.

    The sovereignty issue is a little different than it looks; it’s Wall Street globalism that is using the U.S. legal infrastructure and military as its headquarters and enforcer, and is abusing the nation’s citizens and their resources for its own aims; it has no genuine loyalty to the people of the United States nor do its interests coincide with them.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  9. What China needs to do for Ms Meng Wanzhou. is go nuclear in a Canadian court presentation, with the same material that has stopped other extraditions to the USA

    With all the evidence of corruption in USA federal courts and US Justice Department, proving that DOJ & USA judges are too tainted by corruption, extortion, intimidation and bribery, especially against foreign targets

    As shown in the recent US Dept of Justice Inspector General filing on crimes involving Robert Mueller, in the targeting and terrorist harassment of an EU citizen, as part of a scheme in which Mueller’s law firm friends joined in apparent bribery of two USA federal judges, discussed recently on a Canadian website

    It is clear that a politically-targeted foreign citizen cannot have a fair trial in the USA under current circumstances

    US federal court perjury is being welcomed by grinning, smirking, suborned US fed judges and DOJ high officials … honest DOJ officials and FBI agents at lower levels, are being silenced and quashed by higher-up DOJ gangsters

    DOJ officials have been selling we-won’t-prosecute ‘comfort letters’ to their bribe-paying friends committing terrorist and court fraud felonies against foreign citizen targets

    Lawyers are being intimidated, extorted, and threatened, from presenting a defence of USA legal system political targets, losing their law licences and worse if they disobey

    Racism (the real kind, not the fake SJW kind) and anti-foreigner malice amongst high DOJ officials and USA fed judges, is not punished

    Major USA legal system participants laugh and shout about ‘Bribed American judges, motherf-cker!’, and how ‘orders to Google’ are being generated to hide their own crimes … which all passes for ‘cleverness’ in USA ‘justice’, as noted in the Mueller filing above

    • Replies: @JLK
  10. LondonBob says:

    This is just completely nuts. Trump has empowered the neocon loons to an extent even Bush the Younger didn’t. As Peter Hitchens said the US needs to be treated like Soviet Union, an ideological power bent on destabilisation that needs to be contained.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  11. The problem I, as an American living abroad, have with this is that it puts a sign on our backs that tells foreign governments it is OK to grab Americans off their streets when they need a little leverage vis á vis the US.

    If we’re lucky, she’ll get bail and flee the jurisdiction of Canada while a dubious extradition is being debated by an honest Canadian politico, if one exists.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  12. LondonBob says:
    @The Alarmist

    Yes, it makes it risky for an American businessman to go to China, lawlessness begats lawlessness.

  13. JLK says:
    @Brabantian

    What China needs to do for Ms Meng Wanzhou. is go nuclear in a Canadian court presentation, with the same material that has stopped other extraditions to the USA

    China’s intelligence services no doubt have a lot of embarrassing historical dirt on the United States much in the manner that Russia’s do. So far, we haven’t seen any of it from either country, which leads me to think that the US has even more power over the rest of the world than it appears.

    We’ll no doubt learn more by how China responds over the next few weeks.

  14. ‘Senator Ben Sasse, a Republican of Nebraska, linked the arrest to the American sanctions against Iran.

    Mr. Sasse said China had been “working to creatively undermine our national security interests, and the United States and our allies can’t sit on the sidelines.” He added that “Americans are grateful that our Canadian partners have arrested the chief financial officer of a giant Chinese telecom company for breaking U.S. sanctions against Iran.”…’

    Ah. Now this makes a kind of sense. It’s about making the world take Israel’s demands for a global campaign against Iran seriously.

    • Agree: renfro, T. Weed
    • Replies: @renfro
  15. eah says:
    @Ron Unz

    I’ve been saying for years

    Well, the closest I’ve come to that is when I expressed the following a few years ago: I now understand better why they brought out the guillotine during the French Revolution.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  16. eah says:

    Senator Ben Sasse, a Republican of Nebraska, linked the arrest to the American sanctions against Iran.

    If true then it’s a new low for ZOG control of America — and it is to be hoped an acceleration event for more ‘normies’ who haven’t gotten that message yet.

    Trump had a chance to do with Iran what Obama did with Cuba (one of the things I give Obama credit for) and what he did with North Korea — instead he chose to go full ZOG on Iran, escalating tensions — sad — if MAD was good enough for the US and the USSR during the Cold War, it’s good enough for Iran and Israel today.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  17. @LondonBob

    ‘This is just completely nuts. Trump has empowered the neocon loons to an extent even Bush the Younger didn’t. As Peter Hitchens said the US needs to be treated like Soviet Union, an ideological power bent on destabilisation that needs to be contained.’

    You need to understand. We have to obey Master…

  18. Anonymous[346] • Disclaimer says:
    @eah

    Well, the closest I’ve come to that is when I expressed the following a few years ago: I now understand better why they brought out the guillotine during the French Revolution.

    No, expect to see them liquidated in the most ignominious and gruesome manner. Perhaps randomly immolated.

  19. Anonymous[346] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    Neocon madness might have us all massacred. Incinerated in a thermonuclear war. From Col. Pat Lang’s blog:

    James Jeffrey wants no-fly-zone over Syria… all of Syria

    This is flat nuts… Marx Brothers in Duck Soup nuts. Hail Freedonia! Jeffrey, Bolton and others, both in the USG and in the Coalition countries, want to attempt to impose a no-fly-zone over the whole of Syria in order to force all Iranians out of Syria and to ensure regime change in Damascus. It would take an all out assault by the entire Coalition of the Clueless to even attempt to suppress the Russian-Syrian integrated air defense and REC network in place in Syria. That’s all out war.

    In addition to this foolish idea, Jeffrey calls for “pulling the plug” on the Sochi and Astana talks. In an effort to one up Jeffrey, the former UK ambassador to Syria added this to the madness:

    “The United States regards its presence in Syria as a strategic tool and will maintain it unless Iran withdraws its forces from the country, which is a highly unlikely scenario, former UK Ambassador to Syria Peter Ford told Sputnik. “The United States regards this territory as pawns in a chess game. It will not surrender any of these pawns except in return for, principally, withdrawal of Iranian forces from Syria,” Ford said.”

    I’d like to see Ford stand in front of a formation of YPG/YPJ fighters and call them pawns in a chess game and strategic tools. He’ll end up buried in a shallow, unmarked grave… or left in the desert for the carrion crows.

    How is this happening? Are the heads of state of the entire Western Coalition so distracted that the neocon rats feel free to run amuck? Perhaps. Macron is up his neck in yellow jackets. May has Brexit hanging over her head. Merkel has a crumbling government. And Trump has a host of alligators nipping at his ass. Somebody needs to set some neocon rat traps.

    Trump is far too chummy with MbS and Netanyahu and has his own personal animosity toward Iran. This is probably allowing him to be swayed by Pompeo, Jeffrey and Bolton to acquiesce to this meshuggah Syrian policy. I may not like the man, but I sincerely wish somebody would step up and rescue him from the cabal of neocon Grima Wormtongues that surround him. He is our President. It would do all of us and Trump a world of good.

    https://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2018/12/james-jeffrey-wants-no-fly-zone-over-syria-all-of-syria-ttg.html

    • Replies: @nsa
  20. Anonymous[346] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Macadam

    Ever since it could enforce it. Look at the Assange asylum issue – a foreign news editor, outside the U.S., is de facto incarcerated while awaiting deportation to the U.S., for revealing to the U.S. public the duplicity of political elites.

    And U.S./Western media has as much hostility toward Assange as Deep State does. Maybe because they are controlled by the same demonic oligarchs? What was true of the press being controlled by the oligarchs a century ago when Belloc wrote The Free Press and referred to them as “The Capitalist Press” is triply true with the modern media today.

  21. Anonymous[346] • Disclaimer says:
    @eah

    If true then it’s a new low for ZOG control of America

    I happened to search for literature from the late Father Leonard Feeney on the Internet Archive. Fr. Feeney was a very strict conservative Jesuit in Boston and Cambridge who was very influential. He was a smart guy with an Oxford Ph.D. and he is the only priest Fulton Sheen would allow to substitute for him on his radio program. Feeney was silenced by the Kennedys and the Catholic bishops due to pressure from the Jews in Boston. After being excommunicated for not disavowing the two-millennia old established Catholic doctrine extra Ecclesiam nulla salus (there is no salvation outside of the Catholic Church), Feeney formed a group called St. Benedict’s Center.

    Anyway, I was looking through the FOIA file from the FBI on Feeney’s group and almost all of the information and intelligence was provided to the Boston FBI by the ADL and its other entities, “Military Intelligence Association of New England” and “National Counter Intelligence Corps Association” (nb: all of these groups, including the ADL, were located at 72 Franklin Street, Suite 504, Boston, Massachusetts). We’re talking about stuff from the 1950’s and Boston field office of the FBI, against a Catholic group, and when you read through the correspondence you see the FBI was completely servile to the ADL and its subsidiaries. Shocking.

    https://archive.org/details/LeonardFeeney

    • Replies: @eah
  22. nsa says:
    @Anonymous

    “He is our President.”
    Our? Are you a jew?

    • LOL: eah
  23. Eighthman says:

    Just to be clear, this arrest was not done under any past UN resolution ? I can’t find any comment on that or info. about it.

    If it is done under US law alone, then it should be considered an act of war.

  24. eah says:
    @Anonymous

    Father Leonard Feeney

    Thanks for that — I was not familiar with him — I’ve developed some admiration for Father Coughlin — his broadcasts are like a time capsule…

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  25. Tulips says:
    @Odin Gray

    I, too, am Canadian, and I, too, am dismayed by this “kidnapping”. Of the daughter of a rich foreign business man. Looks like extortion. Looks like Canada also is becoming a land without rule-of-law. Two summers ago I took my family to Canada’s national “museum of civilization” to see an exhibit of an original copy of the Magna Carta, the founding document of human rights in English common law. The key right of which is habeas corpus. Justin Trudeau lives walking distance to that museum, but must not have gone.

  26. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Ron Unz

    Yeah America is such a rabid pariah outlier for going after Huawei.

    In November, New Zealand barred Huawei from supplying a local mobile network with 5G equipment.

    The US and Australia had already closed the door on Huawei’s involvement in their next-generation mobile networks.

    Canada is carrying out a security review of Huawei’s products.

    UK service provider BT is removing Huawei kit from the core of its 5G network.

    On 7 December, the EU’s technology commissioner Andrus Ansip said countries “have to be worried” about Chinese manufacturers.

    • Replies: @eah
    , @Kratoklastes
  27. eah says:

    OT

    Trump has gone 100% politically tone deaf.

  28. Anonymous[346] • Disclaimer says:
    @eah

    Dr. E. Michael Jones is in the mold of Frs. Feeney and Coughlin. Ultraconservative Catholic scholar who is way beyond red pill level. And he’s also the antithesis of a white nationalist and frustrates those WN programs that have him on to discuss Jewish influence and then hear his views on race which are comparable to that of a Stanford sociologist. Here’s a recent program with Jean-Francois Gariépy, a French-Canadian (now American citizen) who is (was?) a post-doc fellow in neuroscience at Duke interviewing Jones:

    • Replies: @eah
  29. Denis says:

    Having read some of the comments, one thing that occurs to me is that the intent behind this (really rather brazen) move could be to generate mistrust and hostility towards American citizens abroad, especially in Russia and China. If the governments of those countries respond by arresting American businessmen, or at least probing and investigating their business activities, that would hamper Americans’ ability and willingness to invest their money in nations considered to be America’s ‘enemies’.

  30. Avery says:
    @Ron Unz

    {Or to apply a far harsher biological metaphor…… Fido finally collapses dead in a heap.}

    One of the best metaphors out there to describe US Gov and “elites”, Ron.

    Sadly, when Fido finally collapses in a heap, it will also cause the premature, violent deaths of multitudes of innocent bystanders.

  31. Mith says:

    moonofalabama provides some very interesting information on this matter.

    • Replies: @renfro
  32. eah says:
    @Anonymous

    Thanks — you are probably also familiar with Fr Denis Fahey — I have and can recommend his books ‘Money Manipulation and Social Order’, and ‘The Mystical Body of Christ in the Modern World’.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  33. JLK says:

    The NYT is alleging that Huawei “tricked” US banks into violating sanctions on Iran. I guess this means they won’t be fined $9B like a French bank.

  34. Only 7 comments showing. Using Windows ten and Firefox.

    • Replies: @WorkingClass
  35. @WorkingClass

    As soon as I hit Publish all the comments came up.

  36. Anonymous[346] • Disclaimer says:
    @eah

    Yes, I have read Fr. Fahey’s books. Here’s a good site which has a few of his book and many other excellent ones, all free: http://www.traditionalcatholic.co/free-catholicbooks/

    Here’s a great piece on Fr. Leonard Feeney, S.J. It is an obituary written by the late Avery Cardinal Dulles, S.J., who was influenced by Feeney while at Harvard and no doubt became a Catholic and later Jesuit and a theologian because of Feeney. As you probably know, Avery Dulles was the son of John Foster Dulles and nephew of Allen Dulles. Anyway, this is good obit on Fr. Feeney. And it has a good ending because Feeney was reconciled to the Church before passing into eternal life.

    http://catholicpunditwannabe.blogspot.com/2013/12/leonard-feeney-in-memoriam-by-fr-avery.html

  37. The comments on this post are flakier than fuck.

    Foreign companies can only receive an export of a controlled item from US companies on condition of not re-exporting the item in violation of US law. This is an established, well-known and sensible provision of US export law, and one that China itself is about to enact.

    Huawei does tons of business in the US and Canada. So sorry. Ms. Meng, but you shouldn’t have changed planes where someone could bag you.

    • Replies: @eah
  38. The motive for the war undertaken by Washington against Huawei is deep-rooted and spurious are the justifications.

    The heart of the problem is that Huawei uses a system of encryption that prevents the NSA from intercepting its communications. A number of governments and secret services in the non-Western world have begun to equip themselves exclusively with Huawei materials, and are doing so to protect the confidentiality of their communications.

    Convincing Cisco or some other U.S. company to leave back doors in their equipment is quite simple. One can always threaten the management or board of these companies with some tax investigation or over other shady activities. That is not so easy when the company is hosted in China. It requires the NSA and others to use more expensive efforts to reach their aim:

    The National Security Agency breached Huawei servers years ago in an effort to investigate its operations and its ties to Chinese security agencies and the military, and to create back doors so the National Security Agency could roam in networks around the globe wherever Huawei equipment was used.

    • Replies: @JLK
  39. renfro says:
    @Ron Unz

    ….endpoint of our national trajectory is a wholesale popular massacre of all our ruling political, financial, media, and intellectual elites…

    If only wishing could make it so.

    • Agree: Realist
  40. renfro says:
    @Colin Wright

    So what is the US going to do about Israel violating resale of US F16s ? ……arrest the Israel Ambassador?

    The world is sick of the US sanction shit on all the Jewish states enemies.
    The China firm can just pack up and move back to China…just like Harley Davidson left and GM is leaving…..that two icons of American creation are leaving the country should you something.

    https://theweek.com/speedreads/811556/israel-are-rare-tiff-over-blocked-jet-deal-croatia

    ”The deal, which was announced by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu last March, would involve Israel selling Croatia 12 refurbished U.S.-made F-16 fighter jets. The U.S. never gave Israel permission to sell the jets, per Axios, and Washington began alerting Israeli officials three weeks ago that they would block the deal.

    Israel upgraded the jets with their own technology as a selling point for the Croatians to buy from them rather than directly from the U.S., which angered the Americans, according to Israeli officials. The U.S. claims Israel was never supposed to sell the jets without receiving American approval first, and has accused Israel of trying to profit off U.S. equipment and the thus-far strong relationship between Netanyahu and the Trump administration.”

  41. eah says:
    @Faraday's Bobcat

    Your comment consists of three consecutive non-sequiturs — and yes, you guessed it, that means it’s “flakier than fuck”.

    McLeod said the Canadian Justice Department can’t share details of the case. Meng was granted a publication ban after a judge agreed to bar both police and prosecutors from releasing information about the case.

    But you know all about the matter.

    The arrest, while notable, did not come out of the blue. Reuters reported in April that U.S. authorities were investigating what has grown to be one of the world’s largest smartphone manufacturers for the “alleged shipping of U.S.-origin products to Iran and other countries in violation of U.S. export and sanctions laws.”

    Note: “to Iran” — here “other countries” is just bullshit (kind of like your comment) — simple question: is it “sensible” (or in the actual, real interest of the average American) for the US to antagonize China in (again) ‘subservience’ to Jews?

    The US (ie its ZOG) continues to impose harsh sanctions on Iran in the service of Israel and über-Zionist Jews.

    To which many here say: FUCK THAT — or as I put it earlier: if ‘mutually assured destruction’ was good enough for the US vs the USSR during the Cold War, then it’s good enough for Israel vs Iran now.

    • Replies: @Faraday's Bobcat
  42. renfro says:
    @Mith

    moonofalabama provides some very interesting information on this matter.

    Yes it does, thanks for heads up.

    Whole article at link:

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/12/neocons-sabotage-trumps-trade-talks-huawei-cfo-taken-hostage-to-blackmail-china.html#more

    (excerpts)

    ”The U.S. Justice Department arranged for Canada to arrest the chief financial officer of Huawei, Meng Wanzhou, over alleged U.S. sanctions violations with regards to Iran. The case is not over the sanction Trump recently imposed, but over an alleged collision with the sanction regime before the nuclear deal with Iran. The details are still unknown.

    Meng Wanzhou is a daughter of the founder and main owner of Huawei, Ren Zhengfei, and was groomed to be his successor. The company is extremely well regarded in China. It is one its jewel pieces and, with 170,000 employees and $100 billion in revenues, an important political actor.

    The arrest on December 1 happened while president Trump was negotiating with president Xi of China about trade relations. Trump did not know about the upcoming arrest but Bolton was informed of it.

    It was a trap. The arrest is a public slap in the face of China and to Xi personally. It will not be left unanswered. Whatever Trump may have agreed upon with Xi is now worthless. John Bolton intentionally sabotaged the talks and the U.S. relations with China

    Meng Wanzhou was taken hostage to be used as leverage in China trade talks. The ‘leverage’ could also be used to push Huawei into providing the NSA with back doors to its equipment. This is the policy style of Somali pirates or Saudi clown princes. The ruthlessness of this blackmail operation is breath taking. It is typical of neo-conservative behavior to use such extreme measures. Trump’s foreign policy is run by neo-conservatives and they are again, like when they faked intelligence to lay the grounds to invade Iraq, creating huge damage.

    Melania was right when she told an interviewer in Africa that her husband is surrounded by enemies within his administration.

    These people are the neocon incubi and succubi who seek an even more dominant hegemonic role in the world for the US. They are out and out imperialists of a kind not seen since the time of McKinley and the US-Filipino War.”

  43. renfro says:

    As much as I disapprove of Trump’s craven character I found myself having strange thoughts while watching him at Bush’s funeral. He clearly felt out of place and I sort of felt sorry for him.

    I was thinking ‘what if’…what if the old anglo elite he always wanted to be accepted by, but never was, reached out to him? Specifically the Bushes or Carter or Jim Baker…..could they get thru to him or would he blow them off? I was thinking if they care about the country they should at least give it a try.

    SOMEONE has to get him away from Bolton, Adelson, Jefferys , Jared…the whole swarm of neos and Zionist. Trump is clearly in meltdown and under fire everywhere….he needs help or his current cabal of the ‘US-Israel and Saudi against the World’ is going to push us over the cliff.

    • Agree: eah
  44. @Ron Unz

    I really wouldn’t be surprised if the ultimate endpoint of our national trajectory is a wholesale popular massacre of all our ruling political, financial, media, and intellectual elites…

    ’tis a consummation devoutly to be wish’d; we will know when the French have decided to take that next step, when the plastic-armour-clad imbeciles from les forces de l’ordre come under enfillade fire from pre-positioned marksmen… trivial to set up, no lack of competent trigger-pullers.

    But the US? Never gonna happen. For all their bluster, Yanks are a pretty effete bunch – and indoctrinated by all the cloth-worship and pledging, to be hyper-compliant to their overlords.

    People have started singing “Ça Ira” again in France (although to be frank it’s never really been out of style); and they always sing the sans-culottes lyrics (substituting “politicians” for “aristocrats”)…

    Ah! ça ira, ça ira, ça ira
    les politiciens à la lanterne!
    Ah! ça ira, ça ira, ça ira
    les politiciens on les pendra!

    à la lanterne” : “to the lamp-post” (preparatory to summary lynching);
    on les pendra” : “we’ll hang them”.

    That version ends with

    Et quand on les aura tous pendus
    On leur fichera la pelle au cul

    “And once we’ve hung them all, we’ll stick a shovel up their arse”

    Nous sommes tous gilets-jaunes (si non: au moins, jaunâtres)

  45. @Tyrion 2

    So in your depraved calculus, the US can ignore international law and scoop up foreign nationals, simply because the company they work for is alleged to be breaching economic sanctions imposed unilaterally by the US?

    And the justification for your sick view is (somehow) that slightly-more-civilised countries have belatedly realised that Chinese tech is riddled with ‘phone home’ mechanisms, and governments were too incompetent to perform proper due diligence and testing before they installed a million cameras and saved everything to the cloud.

    That has to do with snatching people up, how exactly?

    Your bubble is too small – I wonder if you would be consistent if it was Palestinians detaining the daughter of the CEO of a firm that built illegal settlements.

    Actually I don’t wonder in the least – like all exceptionalist ideologues, your hypocrisy is predictable AF, and you show yourself to be a third-rate bullshitter by your idiotic attempt to equate the detention of a company official with post-hoc governmental reactions to Chinese tech espionage. One of those things is legitimate: the other is quite literally an act of war.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  46. Realist says:

    The hanging of May, Merkel and Macron from a lamp post would be a good start to the redemption of Europe.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @Bubba
  47. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Kratoklastes

    What part of international law does Canada extraditing someone in her jurisdiction to America break?

    Why do so many cretins think that if they say the words “international law” they’ll sound smart?

    • Replies: @Johnny Smoggins
  48. @Tyrion 2

    Your defense of this action wouldn’t have something to do with……Persia would it friend?

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  49. The Chinese will pout and grumble but in the end they’ll do nothing.

    The lesson we’ve learned in the past couple of years is that, unfortunately, neither Russia nor China has the will to stand up to the U.S..

    China could, on the other hand, take retaliatory measures against Canada for facilitating this.

    • Replies: @myself
  50. JR says:

    US is redefining economic relations as relentless economic warfare. Despicable extraterritorial application of US law reveals the total US despise for both sovereignty and international law. Dressing US measures up as ‘sanctions’ implying somehow being guilty is intentional abuse and propaganda. Outside the US Huawei is free to trade with parties also outside the US.

    Worse given Bolton being aware of Canada’s actions and as NSA ‘not sure’ of Trump being aware while present at the truce talks with Xi smells of outright sabotage by the deep state.

  51. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Johnny Smoggins

    People are arrested every day. Then either they’re released or go to trial. I see no reason to pick this out as different.

    • LOL: eah
  52. Miggle says:
    @Ron Unz

    What about the fundamentally corrupt legal system and lawyers? Should any “common law” lawyer stay alive? Should there be a difference between justice and revenge? Should there be mercy instead? The Germans invented a modern legal system in about 1880. Why stay with a medieval system whose sole purpose is money for lawyers?

    Read The Lion and the Unicorn by Catherine Drinker Bowen, a biography of Sir Edward Coke, 1552-1634. She mentions among other things the great popularity of the Star Chamber among ordinary people and Coke’s scheming to destroy it and all alternatives to the money-for-lawyers system. So, the corruption of it is fundamental to it.

  53. The US elites try to blackmail Chinese oligarchs. As usual, Canada serves as an obedient tool of Washington politburo.

    We’ll see whether Chinese oligarchs cave in. If they do, globalist thieves win this round and relegate their Chinese colleagues to second-tier thieves. If they don’t, the globalist oligarchs will keep using the dying Empire as their tool until they irreversibly wreck the US. Considering the geopolitical dynamics, this might speed up the demise of the Empire. The US population loses either way.

  54. @Realist

    The hanging of May, Merkel and Macron from a lamp post would be a good start to the redemption of Europe.

    You are right, but your post shows that you are not “Realist”. What you describe will happen years later, to the nonentities occupying the positions of the nonentities you named then. It will eventually happen: the mills of God grind slowly, but they grind exceedingly fine.

    • Agree: Bubba
  55. anon[427] • Disclaimer says:

    I am no fan of China and will be the first to cheer if Trump wants to boot all Chinese nationals out of the US, but this arrest is still utterly absurd. This is obviously the work of effing Ziocons like Pence, Bolton, Pompeo, Rosenstein and their ilk. European companies violate the sanction left and right but they only get fined, Chinese firms do the same and their execs get arrested. Double standard much? Effing Ziocons are simply getting desperate, China and Russia must be brought under the Jew World Order so Iran can be starved to death as planned.

    Ziocon Pence has been on a crusade against Chinese tech companies, in addition to their refusing to join in on starving Iran to death, there is a real danger of Huawei taking over the world telecom market because they are very advance in 5G. He’s been busy spewing propaganda about Chinese firms embedding spying software in their hardware, an allegation which Amazon, Google and Apple who use their equipment have all denied. Huawei has said it is simply ridiculous as they use the same US suppliers for their parts as other telecom equipment makers.

    Ziocons know China is a much bigger threat than Russia in the long run because they have a much bigger population and a much bigger economy, and a lot of smart people. This is simply the most aggressive attempt yet to bring China under the Jew World Order, since the tariff war doesn’t seem to be working.

  56. JLK says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Convincing Cisco or some other U.S. company to leave back doors in their equipment is quite simple. One can always threaten the management or board of these companies with some tax investigation or over other shady activities. That is not so easy when the company is hosted in China. It requires the NSA and others to use more expensive efforts to reach their aim:

    I wonder how many Americans would have less of a problem with this if the U.S. Government and the elites that control it had done a better job earning their trust.

  57. myself says:

    From my layman’s perspective, the issue is rather simple.

    American law applies to crimes and actions committed in territories under American jurisdiction, and Canadian law applies to those territories under Canadian jurisdiction. PERIOD. FULL STOP.

    Outside said countries, their laws are completely inapplicable.

    An international treaty, say a sanctions regime, still does not put nationals of any given country under the jurisdiction of any other, save in the above cases (crimes committed in the territory of particular countries against that same country’s laws). If anyone is “guilty”, it is under the jurisdiction of the country of citizenship – only there may they be detained and tried.

    Or else, the COUNTRY wherein the violator of the treaty is a citizen is considered non-compliant. Sanction the COUNTRY, create consequences for the country that won’t rein in its citizens – but do not make the mistake of touching that sovereign nations people.

    NOWHERE is the detention and trial of foreign individuals allowed for actions outside the authority of a given country.

    It’s my understanding that this is settled practice, by mutual agreement between sovereign states.

    Examples:

    A drug lord masterminds the shipping of drugs into American territory/ a terrorist implements terror on American soil/someone commits mass-murder in America: they can be detained and tried in America.

    A drug lord sells drugs in his own country, a terrorist kills in his own country, a dictator commits genocide in his country: they CANNOT be detained or tried abroad except with the explicit permission of their own country.

    Anything else is kidnapping, thuggery and possible extortion.

  58. anon[681] • Disclaimer says:

    Soon the US government will be advising all its lackeys aka the “5 eyes” that the only telcom equipment they should be using are those made by Israeli companies.

  59. myself says:
    @Johnny Smoggins

    That’s a pretty short-sighted view of these nations, and particularly of China.

    China never gets angry or out-of-control, and never acts impulsively. But they will always get EVEN, even if it takes a long time – and they have a very, very long memory.

    Far as I can see, China has no ideological beef with anyone, no messianic zeal, no desire to impose their way on the world. They don’t think they have “the answers for all humanity”, they just have answers for themselves. They don’t make me feel threatened because they couldn’t care less about how I live my life outside their country.

    Almost makes them seem like the old-timey pre-imperial American Republic. Okay, a decidedly Prussian-Meiji-like American Republic, but with no interest in coercive military adventurism.

    They are the ultimate and oldest ethno-nationalists, but don’t give a rat’s *ss if another country wants to be “diverse” – it’s literally meaningless to their leaders and their people. I’ve had Chinese question me about the U.S. I explain my view to them. They just think it’s weird and shrug.

    “Standing up to the U.S.” doesn’t mean a straight tit-for-tat. “He kidnaps one of yours, you kidnap one of his.” They don’t roll that way.

    But consider:

    Who supplied huge civilian economic aid to Syria during their civil war, freeing Russia and Iran from the burden and helping the Damascus/Tehran/Moscow alliance towards victory?

    Who supplies Pakistan with intel, arms and economic goods, allowing Pakistan freedom to in turn support the Taliban?

    Which country advised the Iraqi Army not to fight conventionally in 2003, prior to the invasion, instead telling them to preserve their units intact and wage a vicious insurgency instead (which they heeded)?

    In the meantime, they’ve capped their military spending to 1.9% of GDP, and grown their tech and industry, while we were busy pissing our once magnificent economy and our envied middle class away since 9/11/2001.

  60. Bubba says:
    @anarchyst

    Since when does the USA have jurisdiction over foreigners?

    Ever since the U.S. dollar became the world’s dominant currency.

  61. Bubba says:
    @Realist

    I agree with you, but unfortunately that won’t happen until Europe is in its last breath before death.

    • Replies: @Realist
  62. Realist says:
    @Bubba

    And that will be too late.

  63. @eah

    Globalizers gonna get a taste of global justice.

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