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Holocaust revisionism is perhaps the most institutionally reviled, criminally punished and socially persecuted field of research in modern Western history.

Yet, on the much publicized 75th anniversary of the Soviet liberation of Auschwitz, the gatekeepers of the Holocaust continue to give ground, kicking and screaming along the way.

The latest example is a new book by former Museum of Jewish Heritage director David G. Marwell, “Unmasking the ‘Angel of Death’,” which grants many revisionist challenges to the legend of Joseph Mengele.

Marwell’s work is considered the most well-researched mainstream biography of Mengele to date. In it, he cross references witness testimony from “survivors” with hard evidence and primary sources, only to conclude that their “memories” were “unreliable.” In other words, they are lying.

Stitching together humans to create siamese twins, smashing babies against train cars, attempts to transform boys into girls – all of the barbarism etched into the popular mind about a German in a labcoat, Marwell concludes, is nothing but a pack of atrocious hoaxes.

Marwell does stress that Mengele was a true-believing Nationalsocialist, which in his mind is an act of evil in and of itself. According to the book, he also at times overstepped ethical boundaries, for example when studying the effects of food deprivation on the human body, but the so-called “Angel of Death” made up for this by giving subjects superior accommodations and privileged treatment when the experiments were over. The twins and dwarves he studied were treated kindly, even if looking at living people as laboratory specimens in any context is dehumanizing. By and large, the book admits that what is commonly known about Mengele is fiction constructed by rumors, novels and Hollywood which have been held as true thanks to Jewish “eyewitnesses” substantiating the hoaxes post-hoc.

Mengele’s main achievement at the camp, which Marwell credits him for, was containing and preventing a massive outbreak of typhus at Auschwitz in difficult circumstances. Alex McNabb had previously written about this, and was attacked by Zionist commentators for it. This saved thousands of lives, Jewish and Gentile alike. Mengele was not motivated by hate and sadism. His most intimate letters and confessions show only a passion for advancing medical science.

Majdanek: No Longer a Death Camp?

Another relatively recent victory won by revisionists is a quiet adjustment by the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum to their page on the Nazi “killing centers,” They have been forced to admit that the Majdanek camp in Poland was not used to exterminate Jews.

The USHMM credits “recent research” for retracting what has traditionally been considered the sixth death camp. This is research dissident historians have contributed to while risking their freedoms, employment prospects and lives. The work of such revisionists has been partially archived here. .

Majdanek was the first camp liberated by the Soviet Union, in 1944. There, they found Zyklon-B canisters, ovens and showers, which Soviet propagandists used to declare that over a million Jews were systematically murdered by gas. The evidence provided by the USSR were German documents that they asserted held coded references to systematic homicide gassings. The pattern is similar to what they later argued with Auschwitz, also liberated by the Soviets. Multiple camp guards and commanders were charged with war crimes and given the death penalty based on fictitious claims related to Majdanek.

This fairy tale was promoted by a variety of Jewish and some non-Jewish scholars. In recent years, the death toll itself has been drastically reduced from 1.3 million victims according to the academic Lucy Dawidowicz, to 78,000 according to the chief historian at the camp’s museum today. Revisionists hold that the numbers of people who died, largely of typhus, dysentary, etc, could be half of even that official figure.

The Immovable Force of Auschwitz

If you’ve noticed that the Holocaust story appears more centered around Auschwitz than usual, it’s because this is the last straw Holocaustians have to grasp on.

But here too, we are beginning to see official omissions of previously claimed homicidal gas chambers, for example at Auschwitz I (Stammlager), the main camp tourists visit. The USHMM now specifically distinguishes only Auschwitz II (Birkenau) as the site of homicide gassings.

Revisionists like Robert Faurisson have always contended that the gas chamber shown to visitors is a fake. Even thought the French newspaper L’Express was able to get the Auschwitz Museum to admit that the gas chambers they show to people are phony, official tour guides still present the exhibit as an authentic homicide gas chamber. On the infamous Deborah Lipstadt’s website, it says that the gas chamber isn’t a fake intended to fool visitors, it’s a “recreation” meant to be “symbolic”!

Auschwitz appears to be the fortress those invested in Holocaust mythology are staking their last stand on. It is impossible for them to give any more ground without the whole story collapsing.

But nothing is etched in stone. The aggressive attempt at a Zionist shakedown of Poland, as well as antagonizing its people, could put the myth in danger. The Polish government could shut them up tomorrow by inviting both revisionists and affirmers to do an unrestricted forensic analysis of all the Auschwitz facilities and grounds. I doubt the Israelis will like the results.

The sanctity of the Holocaust narrative becomes even more imperiled thanks to the in-your-face genocidal jingoism of Netanyahu and the unsophisticated political class steering the Israeli ship. International Jewry has spent much of the last 75 years using the Holocaust as the sacred myth guiding the neo-liberal globalist order.

Netanyahu today uses it as a cheap gimmick to push for Israel’s short-term geopolitical goals. The Israeli’s actively tried to make Vladimir Putin the star of this year’s Holocaust show, even though most Jews see Russia as an affront to the liberal world order. Netanyahu is desperate to do whatever it takes to pull the Russians away from their alliances in Syria and Iran so that the Israeli war machine can continue to advance.

At this point, it’s not a question of historical accuracy but of power. And only power can check power. We are living in the last days of the Holohoax.

(Republished from National Justice by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Leon says:

    I have been trying to locate the detailed information on Ernst Zundel and what he has contributed to the Revisionist movement. All the links on his wife’s site have been broken and it is hard to get to links for his stuff on Youtube, to be expected. We need to start a museum for Zundel and Irving to counter the lies of these Zionist monsters. We need it so we can save the children of humanity.

  2. The “Load Of Bollocks” facade is slowly coming down.
    Great article thanks

    • Replies: @Priss Factor
  3. Nobody “liberated” Auschwitz. The Germans retreated before the Soviets were within striking distance. The internees were given the opportunity to leave with the Germans, if they chose to do so. This included Elie Wiesel and his father, who were being treated in the hospital of the “death camp”. It is unknown if Wiesel lost his tattoo at the hospital or during the evacuation with the Germans.

  4. Wow! I had no idea! I thought they had won, what with all the imprisonment and hard times for those openly contesting the holohoax.

    this is all new news to me…seriously good news. maybe the world can stll bell the particularly nast Death Cat after all!

  5. @Leon

    Read this. A book by one of Zundel’s brave lawyers, Barbara Kulaszka.

    this book alone will tell you everything you need to know.

    http://www.ihr.org/books/kulaszka/falsenews.toc.html

  6. @Erik Striker – I hope you are right. I had thought this would happen myself.

    But then, I thought this for the last 40 years, ever since David Irving whispered to Doug Christie “Torpedo running”, before his testimony at the Zundel trial.

    The HolyCo$t is proving to be even more durable than the Federal Reserve, which I also thought would be gone by now.

    • Agree: Old and grumpy
    • Replies: @Felix Krull
    , @PeterMX
  7. Lurker says:
    @Curmudgeon

    Carolyn Yeager may have something to say about this.

    • Replies: @Wally
  8. anarchyst says:

    …Monika Schaefer
    …Ursula Haverbeck
    …Sylvia Stolz
    …Ernst Zundel
    …and many others have suffered persecution and imprisonment for merely questioning “that which shall not be questioned”–the jewish holohoax (oops I mean “holocaust™”).
    In the case of Ernst Zundel, his Canadian home was firebombed by jewish interests. This crime was never investigated as Zundel was “persona non grata” in Canada due to his quest for holocaust ™ TRUTH…
    Sylvia Stolz is an attorney who attempted to provide a proper defense for her client, but was jailed for attempting to do so.
    The “kangaroo courts” that try these “holocaust™” cases use a dishonest “legal fiction” called “judicial notice” This dishonest legal “trick” disallows the introduction of any evidence that goes against “commonly accepted beliefs about the “holocaust™” even if the holocaust™ claims by holocaust™ supporters can be proven to be false. This legal fiction disallows a proper defense for anyone who is “caught up” in these “show trials“.
    The so-called jewish holocaust™ has been turned into a “religion” from which no questioning or investigation into its validity is permitted. In many countries, jewish holocaust™ investigation is punishable by prosecution and incarceration.
    One would think that the jews would be relieved to know that “6 million™” did not perish…
    “Holocaustianity™” must be exposed for the massive fraud that it is.

  9. anarchyst says:

    From an engineering and logistical standpoint, NONE of the claims made by holocaust™ “survivors” and promoters is possible.
    –Killing jews with “bug spray” (Zyklon B) is not only impossible, but is laughable on its face.
    –Transporting jews to “camps”, utilizing scarce energy sources, transportation and logistical difficulties only to kill them is not only problematic but impossible as well.
    –Tattooing camp inmates only to kill them is also problematic.
    –If the “camps” were truly “death camps” why would medical facilities, recreational facilities, brothels, movie theaters, and other amenities be needed?
    –“Gas chambers” with non-sealed wooden doors and the lack of ventilation systems for such facilities, once again, disproves the claims made by holocaust™ promoters. Doors that “swing the wrong way” would make retrieval of the bodies impossible. Ordinary light fixtures, rather than explosion proof lighting fixtures are claimed to have been the norm.
    –Claims by holocaust™ promoters that gassed bodies were blue or green (rather than bright red) from poisoning are totally false.
    –Claims that the inmates could tell when jews were being cremated by the color of smoke emitted from the crematoria chimneys are patently foolish and false.
    –Let’s not forget “lampshades, wallets, soap and shrunken heads” made from jews is also laughable,
    –Crematoria running 24 hours a day, without “downtime” for maintenance on the muffles and flames “visible out of the crematoria stacks” are also impossibilities. Crematoria are designed to burn “clean” with no visible smoke and definitely no flames outside the stacks would be possible. Not only that, the claims that thousands of bodies were cremated daily are a statistical impossibility as it takes approximately 1.5 hours to cremate a human body. If cremation were used on “6 million” jews, the cremation process would have been operating into the 1950s.
    –The lack of depositories for bodies and ashes is more proof that the “camps” were not “death camps” but rather “work camps” for the German war effort.
    –Anne Frank’s “diary” partially written with a ball-point pen which was not invented till the 1950s. Time travel, anyone? lol
    Germans were (and still are) excellent engineers and would not have engineered the grievous errors that are claimed by holocaust promoters.
    Follow the shekels…

    • Agree: Lol just lol
  10. melpol says:

    Innocent German Jews were removed from their occupations and punished. Polish mobs beat Jewish civilians and have escaped condemnation. Jews had to hide in basements to avoid being crucified.These events are hate crimes and should not be forgiven.

  11. Walt says:
    @Curmudgeon

    Oh no , how dare you give credit to ther great Red Army. Why did the Germans leave except that the Red Army was approaching ? The Nazi’s knew it was eother Run or get killed, so they ran.

  12. eah says:

    The Last Days of the “Holocaust”

    One might say ‘famous last words’, because they’ve been uttered before.

    David Irving — Nuremberg Trials War By Other Means

    Because of his extensive work in German archives, Irving was asked by the defense to testify in the Zündel trial that there was no documentary proof Hitler ordered, or even knew about, the killing of Jews.

    Irving was impressed by the Leuchter Report, and in the years after the Zündel trial voiced (ahem) extreme skepticism re the central gas chamber claims of the ‘Holocaust’ narrative — in fact, on several occasions, you can hear him say roughly the following: the soap from Jewish fat and lampshades from Jewish skin tales have already been exposed as propaganda lies, so it is only a matter of time before the entire ‘Holocaust’ story is similarly exposed — e.g. in the speech linked above, he gives the conventional ‘Holocaust’ narrative another year.

    Obviously he was wrong about that.

  13. Vehemcon60 says: • Website
    @melpol

    Nor should the Mass killings done by the 87% jew bolsheviks.

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
    • Replies: @melpol
  14. Truth3 says:

    Speaking of David Cole… here he is writing in Takimag about how Holohoax Revisionism is WRONG…

    To be fair, it’s not just right-wing millennials who play this game. When a guy like Ron Unz wants to trumpet how “based” his website is, he pens a 17,600-word Holocaust-denial rant that employs the only technique more annoying than Fuentes’ smirking “satire.” And that’s the “Oh, but I’m only asking questions” facade.

    Obviously those wonderful Mossad agents (every other Jew in California) live next door.

  15. c matt says:

    attempts to transform boys into girls

    So what you are saying is they were trans-woke before trans-woke was cool!!

  16. Leon says:
    @Leon

    Thanks I look at IHR all the time. It is a shame the greatest heros our time have suffered so much by these monsters.

  17. melpol says:
    @Vehemcon60

    Bolsheviks were not Communists but acting out of a replacement for the Czar. They were financed by German and Jewish Capitalists who wanted a free market Russian economy. Bolsheviks were outflanked by Lenin,Stalin, and Trotsky. Bolshevik Jews were Capitalistic pawns and were executed for treason.

    • LOL: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @Pandour
  18. @melpol

    ‘Innocent German Jews were removed from their occupations and punished. Polish mobs beat Jewish civilians and have escaped condemnation. Jews had to hide in basements to avoid being crucified.These events are hate crimes and should not be forgiven.’

    Shall we remind you of your position that hate crimes should not be forgiven at some future date?

  19. Saggy says: • Website

    The holocaust hoax is as strong as ever, and just a few days ago leaders from around the world gathered to pay homage to a preposterous hoax ….
    https://www.fox5ny.com/video/647454
    Maybe it’s stronger than ever. And we ‘revisonists’ are hiding in our bedrooms, afraid to say our names. There is not ONE white public figure or govt. figure who deny the hoax. Worldwide ! It would be unbelievable if it wre not happening.

    • Agree: Haxo Angmark
    • Disagree: jsigur
    • Replies: @jsigur
    , @Haxo Angmark
  20. Striker is in error with regards to Irving and Cole. Both have asserted that mass killings with gas did not take place at Auschwitz, but that such killings *did* take place in the Aktion Reinhardt camps (Treblinka, Belzec, Sobibor).

  21. @Truth3

    Thanks for this, Truth3. People here need to know that David Cole is a JEW and a RAT. He’s part of the Jewish ‘damage control’ operation in revisionism. He weasled his way into the good graces of the naive Ernst Zundel, and then later ridiculed him publicly. He did the same with the gentlemanly Bradley R. Smith. He took the knowledge of the blueprints of the fake gas chamber at Auschwitz discovered by revisionist Robert Faurisson and made a video of himself taking credit for it. He gets away with it all because he’s a jew. And yes, Mark Weber loves him.

    PLEASE don’t mistake David Cole for a ‘good guy’ or a real revisionist. And don’t confuse “Eric Striker” as someone who knows the first thing about holocaust revisionism and its prospects. I’ve read this article and it sucks. More on why later.

    • Agree: kikz
  22. @Genrick Yagoda

    But then, I thought this for the last 40 years, ever since David Irving whispered to Doug Christie “Torpedo running”, before his testimony at the Zundel trial.

    That was not at the Zundel trial, it was during the brouhaha about Stern and the Hitler diaries.

    • Replies: @Genrick Yagoda
  23. @Curmudgeon

    Thanks for posting this video. I had forgotten about it.

    Which camp is the “death camp?” Which hospital are we talking about? It’s never specified.

    Elie Wiesel says he was in Monowitz, and his father too. In January his foot became infected, though he never says why or how. The “kind, Jewish doctor” at the infirmary told him his foot required an operation … right away. When the surgery was over, his father came to see him, and was allowed to stay in the infirmary or hospital with him. In “Night” Wiesel describes how the doctor entered their ward and told them the camp was being evacuated, the following night! Everyone had to leave with the guards, but those in the hospitals and those too old or too weak to walk that distance were allowed to stay behind, supervised in the hospital. According to Wiesel, that was the only reason he or anyone else was allowed to stay behind.

    Wiesel wrote the patients started repeating rumors about the Nazis planning to murder those left behind once the others had left. Wiesel says this is why he and his father decided to join the march. He walked out of the hospital with his bandaged foot, returned to his barracks and got ready for the march. He soon forgot all about his bleeding foot and never mentioned it again!

    While 7000 sick and hospitalized inmates were there when the Soviets arrived, that doesn’t make Elie’s story true. I don’t think Elie was in Auschwitz in January 1945 (maybe in May & June 1944) and I’m certain he was never in Buchenwald. So he couldn’t have gone on the march that he included in his novel “Night.”

    No inmates could “choose” to remain behind. The Germans were very careful not to release any prisoners to protect the public from any possible stealing, raping and killing. So that would have been out of the question.

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Wally
  24. surly says:

    An interesting new fad has emerged, particularly with “ex-” revisionists, who admit that all the claims of the Holocaust are lies except the ones made specifically about Auschwitz. Some prominent figures in this sphere today include big names like David Irving and David Cole

    Time out, Eric. David Cole says exactly the opposite of what you are attributing to him:

    Revisionism has enriched and strengthened World War II historiography, and if you truly want to learn about it, read David Irving, Mark Weber, and me. But you’re not gonna get “Holohoax” from any serious scholar. You want a “victory”? Okay—Auschwitz wasn’t an extermination camp, the 6 million figure is too high, and the Auschwitz, Majdanek, and Dachau “gas chambers” are phonies. There, you got your victory.

    …and…

    Yes, actual Holocaust revisionism (not denial) is a fascinating field and a worthwhile endeavor. But if you’re looking to advance some nonsensical claim that only 300,000 Jews died due to epidemics caused by Allied bombing, you’re not going to find backing for that from any serious revisionist. Tens of thousands of Jews did die at the war’s end from diseases prevalent in desolated Germany. But years prior, healthy Jews were killed en masse at camps like Treblinka, Belzec, Sobibor, and Chelmno, as well as in the Ostland ghettos and on the Einsatzgruppen killing fields. By April 1943, the death toll from the premeditated murder of Jews was 2.4 million. We know that for a fact. And the war still had two years to go (although the death camps were halted in ’43).

  25. I freely admit that the holocaust history bores me.

    What I do care about is that free inquiry must be sacrosanct. It may be that the revisionists are wrong. If so, they should be disproven in an open, fair and transparent evidence-based debate. Right now nobody can claim that’s the case without lying.

  26. @Frank Sinatra

    Zyklon was a commonly used poison, so it was well-proven technology. And indeed it can be used to kill people. I got poisoned with one of that class of chemicals and it wasn’t fun, but it wasn’t that unpleasant either. I walked a couple of miles home which probably helped metabolize the stuff, and once I got home had a good case of the shits and then went to bed and was OK the next day. A higher concentration would have probably had me feel dizzy, lie down, and die without a lot of angst about it.

    I would think inert gas would be the best way, because you feel the need for air due to the buildup of CO2 in your tissues. That’s what makes inert gases so dangerous in industrial settings. You breathe it in for a few breaths, flushing CO2 out of your system but of course you’re not getting oxygen, and just wink off to sleep.

    Tattoos were because of the German mania for record-keeping, and to keep track of prisoners used in labor.

    I want to see the Holocaust keep being hollered to the hills but with one change: Pointing out that genocides are not uncommon and that the Holocaust is not unique. This would better prepare people to recognize a coming genocide. Right now we have the beginning of one in the US with kids being put in camps, separated from their parents. Thousands are thought to have died, and they’re dying of things like the flu. Keep in mind Ann Frank died of disease on her way to the death camp.

    At any given time it seems like there’s a genocide or three going on. The Uighurs, the Rohyngha, and always a few burbling along in Africa because … Africa.

  27. @Felix Krull

    Thanks for that, I had indeed mixed up those statements. I wish I could remember what he had said, it was catchy, like a lot of David Irving’s witticisms.

    • Replies: @Felix Krull
  28. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @surly

    Anatoly Karlin’s post here on the Holocaust from a couple of years ago is still probably the best thing written on it on this website: https://www.unz.com/akarlin/holocaust/

    You don’t have to be a philosemite or a supporter of Israel to acknowledge that there was a systematic genocide by the Nazis that killed millions of Jews. Historian Otto Pohl is neither, and, IIRC, he’s said that although the 6 million figure is likely too high, the best historical estimates are in that ballpark, somewhere between 4.5 million and 5.8 million.

    It’s too bad that Eric Striker allows his dislike of Jews to get the best of him. He has had some interesting points to make, for example, regarding the subversive nature of Hallmark movies.

  29. utu says:

    “If you’ve noticed that the Holocaust story appears more centered around Auschwitz than usual, it’s because this is the last straw Holocaustians have to grasp on.” – My impression is different. The Holocaust is moving East to be scattered all over the pre WWII Eastern Poland (now Lithuania, Belarus and Ukraine). Timothy Snyder’s Bloodlands: Europe Between Hitler and Stalin (2010) pretty much outlined the new narrative which also includes massive Soviet killings and many massacres in the inter-ethnic strife like between Ukrainians and Poles.

    “But nothing is etched in stone. The aggressive attempt at a Zionist shakedown of Poland, as well as antagonizing its people, could put the myth in danger. The Polish government could shut them up tomorrow by inviting both revisionists and affirmers to do an unrestricted forensic analysis of all the Auschwitz facilities and grounds. ” – This would be a nuclear option. Actually in early 1990’s I fantasized that Poland together with Germany could severely damage the canonical Holocaust narrative, however observing Poland for last 30 years I must conclude that Poland is not capable to carry out the nuclear option. Who has the original documents? Do they even exist anymore? They all have been tampered.

    • Replies: @refl
    , @Dube
  30. Wally says:
    @Lurker

    Except Wiesel’s words in this regard are corroborated by other “survivor” accounts including that of Primo Levi. In Levi’s book “Survival in Auschwitz”.

    – Auschwitz “eyewitness” Dov Paisikovic stated the impossible by claiming that the cremation of one body took about four minutes!
    source: Léon Poliakov, Auschwitz, René Julliard, Paris 1964, p. 159 ff.

    ‘Some Technical and Chemical Considerations about the ‘Gas Chambers’ of Auschwitz and Birkenau’
    by Master Chemist Germar Rudolf
    http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndgcger.html

    – from Master Chemist Germar Rudolf, Chemistry of Auschwitz / Birkenau:

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/gWD4XpbWMxhH/

  31. utu says:
    @surly

    The bottom line: (radical) revisionism not denial. So, I concur with what you cite here from David Cole even though I have a strong dislike for him: an awful human being.

  32. Thomasina says:
    @alex in San Jose AKA Digital Detroit

    Anne Frank didn’t die on her way to a camp. She was already in the Bergen-Belsen camp. From Wikipedia:

    “In early 1945, a typhus epidemic spread through the camp, killing 17,000 prisoners.[61] Other diseases, including typhoid fever, were rampant.[62] Due to these chaotic conditions, it is not possible to determine the specific cause of Anne’s death; however, there is evidence that she died from the epidemic.”

    • Replies: @Theodore
  33. Wally says:
    @Frank Sinatra

    The retreat continues.

    said: “mass killings with gas did not take place at Auschwitz, but that such killings *did* take place in the Aktion Reinhardt camps (Treblinka, Belzec, Sobibor).”

    – No they did not, and there is no proof.
    – In fact the alleged gassing at all camps are quite scientifically impossible as alleged.
    – It’s claimed that your ‘AR’ camps hold the buried human remains of at least 1,500,000 in allegedly known locations. Those claimed remains in fact do not exist. BTW, none of the AR camps had crematoriums.
    ex.:
    Alleged location of Treblinka mass graves / remains of 900,000 Jews according to Treblinka officials, no alleged remains exist.

    more:
    What Happened to Jews Sent to the Aktion Reinhardt Camps?: https://www.unz.com/article/what-happened-to-jews-sent-to-the-aktion-reinhardt-camps/
    The “Extermination Camps” of “Aktion Reinhardt”
    An Analysis and Refutation of Factitious “Evidence,” Deceptions and Flawed Argumentation of the “Holocaust Controversies” Bloggers

    By Jürgen Graf , Carlo Mattogno , Thomas Kues
    https://codoh.com/library/document/3052/?lang=en
    The Treblinka Archaeology Hoax
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/6BZkbNsXvICv/

    • Agree: Jon
  34. Sam J. says:

    I think there’s a subject that’s been sorely neglected in the study of Auschwitz. It’s the poor condition of the camps themselves. A prime example is the inmates pool. It should be restored.

    As a part of the peace package the Jews should force the Palestinians to repair it.

    • Agree: Hamlet's Ghost
    • LOL: Digital Samizdat
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  35. As someone who, until recently, wholeheartedly believed the main outlines of the holocaust myth, I can only say that reading the Revisionist literature and finding it entirely credible, and then reviewing the so-called “evidence” for the Holocaust and finding it unbelievable, was like waking up and finding out that the Matrix was real. I have had to adjust my entire worldview, my entire understanding of the history of the 20th century.

    More and more I realize the truth of the statement, “History is a lie we tell to conceal our shame.” That such massive lies could have been told and believed by virtually everyone, including the vast majority of those telling the lies, has been an earth-shaking revelation for me. In the wake of this revelation, I have had to accept many other very unpleasant ideas as historical fact, such as …

    1. Primary responsibility for WWII must be divided between Franklin D. Roosevelt, Winston Churchill and Josef Stalin. Each of these men was supported by a small but powerful cabal within their own countries to start a war that the great majority of their own people did not want and that Adolf Hitler, the German government and the German people were desperate to avoid. The French government (and people) also wanted to avoid war with Germany, but were dragged into it against their will by the British.

    2. “War-crimes” are inevitable in any war. War itself is a crime. in my opinion. The Germans certainly committed their share of crimes in WWII, such as executing prisoners of war, etc. In the main, however, the Allies were guilty of virtually all of the War-Crimes of which the German government, military and people were accused, and they were guilty to a much greater degree.

    3. The destruction of the World Trade Center in New York City in 2001 was the result of a conspiracy of powerful elements within the U.S. government. Israeli military intelligence was almost certainly involved, but the incident could not have happened without the connivance and participation of the U.S. government. The buildings were damaged, but not destroyed, by the impact of two jet airliners. They were destroyed by a carefully planned and executed controlled demolition.

    4. The press in the United States and Western Europe is controlled by their respective intelligence services in every important respect. The mainstream press says nothing to which the CIA, et al, would object and they repeat any story the CIA asks them to repeat. There are independent journalists, but their influence is small. In fact, the existence of a small and virtually powerless independent media serves to validate the idea that freedom of speech exists in North America and Western Europe while having no important influence on public opinion.

    5. The United States of America is no longer a democracy and has not been a democracy for some time. This was accomplished so skillfully, that I cannot even say when our democracy ceased to exist. No populist politician can change this fact. The most that Donald Trump, Bernie Sanders or any other populist politician can possibly accomplish is to convince the American people that they have lost control of their government. However, even this limited accomplishment, as useful as it would be, is very unlikely.

    At this point, the victory of the elites who have stolen the sovereignty of a supposedly fee people is so complete, that I cannot imagine anything that can dislodge them other than the total collapse of the current world system – and no one can possibly bring this about other than the elites themselves.

    This collapse is coming, and it will be horrible for all of us, but we can at least hope that these evil people will be consumed by the fires that they themselves have started.

  36. Johan says:

    “Another relatively recent victory won by revisionists is a quiet adjustment by the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum to their page on the Nazi “killing centers,” ”

    That ‘ll be on https://www.ushmm.org/ I take it, but what ‘page’ ..?

    • Replies: @Just passing through
  37. utu says:
    @Curmudgeon

    Anne Frank’s step-sister and Holocaust survivor Eva Schloss claims photos of the Soviet liberation of Auschwitz are FAKE because soldiers hadn’t brought cameras and were taken at other camps

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7933509/Anne-Franks-step-sister-claims-photos-showing-liberation-Auschwitz-FAKE.html

  38. The reason the focus is on Auschwitz as opposed to other alleged ‘death camps’ is that Auschwitz seems to be the most well constructed one (as it previously served as a Austrian army barracks). As such the legend of industrialised killing is more believable and most will fall for it. I don’t think the same would happen if the centrepiece of the Holocaust legend was somewhere like Treblinka, where just as many Jews are alleged to have been exterminated, because Treblinka is just a location in the middle of nowhere and it is difficult to believe that there are 700,000 Jews buried there.

  39. Johan says:

    “An interesting new fad has emerged, particularly with “ex-” revisionists, who admit that all the claims of the Holocaust are lies except the ones made specifically about Auschwitz. Some prominent figures in this sphere today include big names like David Irving and David Cole”

    As far as I know, on the contrary, David Cole denies the gassings in Auschwitz specifically (which is the location where he went and filmed his visit), and as I understood from his Facebook page, he confirms the alleged gassings in other camps. That seems another ‘fad’.

    So this is kind of a serious mistake here in the article, as Cole is mainly well known because of his investigations of and visit to Auschwitz.

  40. Thomasina says:

    I hope it is the “last days of the Holocaust”. Since when does the truth ever need to be surrounded with secrecy? Since when does merely asking questions get you a prison term? Lies end up breaking people, like it did my German neighbors. We felt righteous because we were on the “good” side. Now I don’t feel righteous; I just feel ashamed.

  41. @Johan

    https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/killing-centers-an-overview

    Majdanek

    Though many scholars have traditionally counted the Majdanek camp as a sixth killing center, recent research had shed more light on the functions and operations at Lublin/Majdanek. Within the framework of Operation Reinhard, Majdanek primarily served to concentrate Jews whom the Germans spared temporarily for forced labor. It occasionally functioned as a killing site to murder victims who could not be killed at the Operation Reinhard killing centers: Belzec, Sobibor, and Treblinka II. It also contained a storage depot for property and valuables taken from the Jewish victims at the killing centers.

  42. @Thomasina

    It really isn’t the last days, Jews will never give up the Holocaust that easily, of course revisionism will be permitted around the lesser known camps but don’t expect them to concede to the revisionists when it comes to the more famous camps like Auschwitz, Treblinka, Sobibor and Belzec. The repercussions of this would be too much to handle.

    • Agree: Beefcake the Mighty
  43. Johan says:
    @Leon

    https://vimeo.com/search?q=ernst%20zundel

    And more specifically, a long interview with Zundel here:

  44. eah says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    I now find ‘Holocaust’ discussions on unz.com tiresome — but “one and done” comments like yours, which endorse the conventional (‘exterminationist’) ‘Holocaust’ narrative, while offering no sort of logical argument whatsoever, are perhaps the most contemptible of all, being little more than a kind of moral preening.

    It’s too bad that Eric Striker allows his dislike of Jews to get the best of him.

    And on top of that you insinuate the author is an anti-Semite, the updated/modern empirical definition of which is clearly anyone the Jews don’t like, and hence its use as an epithet has become as meaningless as calling someone a “racist”.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
  45. Ghali says:

    The “Holocaust” is a propaganda tool used to justify Israel’s terror against the Palestinian people. For example, on 23 January 2020, Israel’s ardent supporters – kings, princes, presidents, and prime ministers –, including the U.S. the EU, Turkey and Russia (35 in all) gathered at Yard Vashem in Israeli-occupied Jerusalem to commemorate Jews (only) who died in World War II, the so-called “Nazi Holocaust”, while at the same time, they are turning a blind eye to a present Palestinian Holocaust and a larger Auschwitz in Gaza.

    I mean, there is NO better propaganda than this “Holocaust” thing. In fact, the auther writes: Jews have ” spent much of the last 75 years using the Holocaust as the sacred myth guiding the neo-liberal globalist order”, and justify the persecuition of the Palestinian people.

    • Agree: druid55
  46. My own position on the Holocaust has been evolving and changing over the years. I never believed the six million Jews killed at any point*, but I started out from the idea that an organised attempt to massacre the Jews of Europe had been undertaken by the Nazis. Nor did i accept at any point the claim that six million Jews were gassed, because, well, that was never a claim made even by the Holocaust official story, which only claims a total Jewish death toll, from all causes put together, including disease, beatings, overwork, starvation, shooting, natural deaths in the camps from old age, as well as gassing of six million.

    *Given that even the World Jewish Council in 1945 had claimed 4-4.5 million killed.

    But I did accept, as a starting point, that a systematic attempt to murder the Jews of Europe had been made. Which standpoint I have found myself drastically amending over the years.

    One strange thing I found out almost immediately: even according to the official story, until the Wannsee Conference of January 1942 at which the Endlösung (Final Solution) to the “Jewish Problem” was allegedly first discussed, no systematic attempt at mass murder of Jews had allegedly taken place. Why? Assuming the Nazis were determined to wipe the Jewish people (I won’t say “race”) off the face of the earth, should they not have been doing this from the moment they came into power, or at least since the late 1930s? Why wait till 1942, when the British were still unbeaten, the effort to eliminate the USSR had failed, Amerikastan had been added to their list of enemies, and any realistic government should be focused on winning the war, not pouring money and effort into a pointless campaign of extermination? (Yes, pointless, even according to the official story; it has SS general Walther Schellenberg claiming that since “only a third of the Jews were under our control, it was…worse than a folly.”) How did this tally with the official account, since said official account also claimed the Nazis were monsters of efficient evil to destroy whom anything, including the mass destruction of German cities, was justified?

    It didn’t.

    Oh, but, I was then told by Lawrence Rees’ Auschwitz, the Nazis didn’t start out with the object of extermination of the Jews: they intended instead to “resettle” them outside Europe to get rid of them. Perhaps in Palestine, perhaps in Madagascar, but out of Europe. (So how exactly, I asked myself, was this different from the zionist project and the Balfour declaration of 1917, both of which also wanted all Jews to be shifted off elsewhere out of Europe? It wasn’t.) Anyway, so says Rees, the war forced the Germans to abandon those plans, so they had a “storage” problem. Poles had to be shifted out of their houses to make way for Germans to be settled in the annexed part of Poland. Those Poles had to be accommodated by shifting Jews out of Jewish housing. And in order to do that the Jews had to be put somewhere, or killed if there was nowhere to put them. Hence Auschwitz and the death camps of Sobibor, Treblinka and Belzec (I don’t recall that Rees mentioned Majdanek, but it’s been years since I read his book). Inescapable conclusion from Rees’ own logic: assuming that there had been a deliberate attempt to exterminate Jews at all, it had nothing to do with a predetermined plan but entirely owing to the pressure of circumstances.

    But had there been a deliberate plan to exterminate all Jews? All?

    Here again we come up with a problem. In Occupied France, with a huge French Jewish population, the Nazis didn’t (per Rees, again) deport a single Jew. Not one! The Vichy French regime, and the local British administration in the occupied Channel Islands (Jersey and Guernsey), picked out and deported foreign Jews – principally German and Austrian refugees – but their own Jewish citizens weren’t touched. Nor were Jewish prisoners of war taken from the western allies treated any different from the rest of the prisoners. This was fairly strange, if you believe a systematic Jewish eradication was planned.

    But who would any systematic Jewish eradication help, actually? The Nazis? How the hell would it help them? Keeping the Jews as a convenient target of public angers to would help. Getting rid of them would help not at all, because it would remove the scapegoat any fascist regime (as in India, where the fascist Modi regime today blames all its endless failures on Muslims and secular Hindus) needs to distract attention. It would, however, help only one lot: the Zionists. It was, after all, the Zionists who hated Jews at least as much as the Nazis did (as one of the last surviving Zionists, Uri Avnery, candidly admitted in his column). It was the Zionists who had, before WWI, gone on a hegira to the governments of East Europe begging them to oppress their Jews in order to compel them to emigrate to Herzl’s planned Judenstaat. And of the Jews who were/might have been murdered in the Holocaust, the vast majority, if not all, were anti Zionist Jews who were available to be murdered, well, because they didn’t emigrate to Herzl’s planned Judenstaat. Over the course of WWII/the Holocaust Jews went from being majority anti Zionist to pro Zionist, mostly because the majority of anti Zionist Jews were killed off by the Nazis.

    How the hell did this make sense if the official story were correct?

    When I dug deeper more problems emerged. Some objections could be safely disregarded, like the fake gas chambers at Auschwitz. Rees claims that the Nazis blew up the originals and today’s are reproductions, even if not publicly acknowledged as such. Also, the Nazis themselves destroyed the Belzec, Treblinka, and Sobibor camps, leaving no proof. Right, one can accept that as a valid argument. But there’s much much more.

    For instance, before the gas chambers were invented, Jews were killed in other ways. The first attempts at mass shooting were (allegedly) so traumatic to the shooters that they were abandoned. To put this in perspective, the same SS sadists who allegedly stuffed trainloads of Jews into gas chambers after stripping them naked and murdered them with poison gas were disturbed by the (logically far more humane) act of machine gunning them en masse. This being abandoned, they were then gassed by the (extremely inefficient and small scale) method of gas vans where the exhaust was run into the airtight passenger compartment.

    Now this gas van was allegedly invented by one Walter Rauff. Said Rauff, originally a naval officer, transferred to the SS. At the close of the war he was captured in Italy but “escaped” from an Amerikastani PoW camp, later reaching Syria. Even Wikipedia admits that while in Syria he was a spy for……Mossad. Managing to escape Syria, this Mossad spy (tell me again how a mass murderer of Jews gets to be a Mossad spy, assuming the official tale is true) went to Chile, there joining up with Klaus Barbie, another “wanted” SS war criminal, both of them now spies for the CIA against Communists in South America. According to this same Wikipedia, in 1960 Rauff openly went to West Germany, where he was allegedly still a wanted war criminal, to claim his pension as an ex naval officer,collected said pension, and returned uneventfully to Chile, becoming a Chilean citizen and living out the rest of his life in comfort. Again, tell me, how the hell does all this work?

    Then we get to the fact that the same people promoting the Holocaust account aren’t exactly known for their truthful nature in other things. We know now that by 1948 South Korea was planning to invade North Korea, and that the North Korean attack was – at most – pre emptive. We know there was no Tonkin Gulf attack on Amerikastani ships in Vietnam. We know Iraq had no WMDs, Serbia wasn’t massacring anyone in Kosovo, there was no Hutu genocide of Tutsis in Rwanda (the exact opposite, a Tutsi genocide of Hutus, did happen), no Russian invasion of Ukraine, and no gassing of Syrian cities by the Assad government. Since the people promoting the Holocaust account lied about literally everything else, why the hell should we trust them on this point? What sense does it make to do that?!

    A few words about Josef Mengele, now:

    Some days ago some moron or other on this site insinuated that I had not read Elie Wiesel’s Night. As I told the idiot, not only had I read it, I had read it with a great deal more attention than said idiot had. And though I was seventeen years old when I read it, I had immediately dismissed it as a fraud. Why?

    One of the immediate red flags was 14-year-old Wiesel, on arrival at Auschwitz from Hungary in the middle of the night, recognising Mengele among the SS doctors watching the arrivals. Even if Mengele had indeed been there, how the hell would Wiesel have recognised him or known who he was? Even his description of Mengele has nothing in common with the real Mengele’s very pedestrian, unmemorable features: anyone who’s seen a photo of Mengele will have noticed how totally unremarkable he was. In the photo at the top of this article, Mengele is the one in the background, with the gap between his teeth. Did you look at him twice? It was more than obvious to me that Wiesel had merely mentioned Mengele to add cachet to his tale. (I’ll not go into the other laugh out loud absurdities in the story, like how arrivals in Auschwitz were allegedly burnt alive in ditches, or how a child was “too light” to be hanged to death by an SS noose, a notion that can only occur to somebody who has no idea how a hanging works.) Let’s just say I was less than surprised many years later when it came out that Wiesel had merely made up and/or stolen the entire story.

    Also, let’s assume the Holocaust happened. Then, I have this question about the effectiveness of criminalising Holocaust denial. What does it achieve?

    If the Holocaust really happened as claimed (including six million dead Jews, not one less), then there’s as much point of criminalising Holocaust denial as there is in criminalising denial of evolution or a spherical earth. Anyone who denies those is merely a crank and/or an ignoramus and can be laughed at but isn’t jailed, because denying evolution exists or that the earth is round does nothing whatever to harm the facts that evolution exists or the earth is round. However, if something is built from a tissue of half truths, outright lies, and fantasy, then questions are dangerous and need to be suppressed. So by suppressing enquiry into the episode, all it does is increase doubts as to whether the thing happened at all, let alone exactly as advertised.

    In any case, whether the Holocaust happened at all or not, it has, or should have, absolutely zero relevance in 2020. And even if it happened exactly as advertised, at best it was among many Holocausts in the 20th century. For instance, the Holocaust claims that the Nazis killed six million Jews between what, 1933-45. Twelve years. And yet the Nazis murdered three million Soviet prisoners of war and i don’t know how many Poles and Romani during the same period, but the Holocaust apparently doesn’t cover them. And in one single year of 1943-44, the evil Brutish war criminal Winston Churchill verifiably starved 4 million Indians to death in the artificial Bengal famine, but nobody talks about that either. It’s like the Jews, or rather those who speak for the Jews, have a monopoly on history. Isn’t it as much an insult to the non Jewish victims of the Nazis as Holocaust denial is supposed to be for the Jews?

    And even if the Holocaust happened as advertised, it cannot possibly be permitted to be used as a shield by anyone to commit their own crimes of equivalent nature in the 21st century.

    But, as Dr Norman Finkelstein has said, the Holocaust isn’t a fact, it isn’t a myth, today it is only one thing, a full fledged industry.

  47. eah says:
    @Thomasina

    I hope it is the “last days of the Holocaust”. Since when does the truth ever need to be surrounded with secrecy?

    Not “secrecy”:

    • Agree: Thomasina
  48. @alex in San Jose AKA Digital Detroit

    If you’re going to continue to act this way you should at least add the Palestinians to your lists of ongoing genocides.

  49. Guatemala should open a Maya holocaust museum that would feature the Israeli Galil rifles and mortars,etc., used to massacre innocent Mayan people whose ancestors built a civilzation that the Zionists must be jealous of. But instead its hispanic politicians and military that colluded with the Israelis and used Guatemala’s economy and debt to enrich the Israeli merchants of death follow Trump’s lead and move the Guatemala Embassy to Jerusalem,being flown their in a jet belonging to Trump doner Jewish Israeli gambling zsar Sheldon Adelson who has stolen so much money
    from U.S. gambling addicts and laundered so much money through his Las Vegas gambling empire. Israelis now own Guatemala’s electric company from profits of these bloody arms sales and aid to the Guatemala military and have hydrelectric dams to sale Guatemalans their own hydro electricity from the site of Chixoy y Negro river site where every Mayan massacre victim died with Galil rifle bullets in their bodies.
    Likewise in Argentina the alleged Argentine ‘Nazi’ military regime of the 1970s bought their arms exclusively from Israel.Jewish Zionists propagandize CLAIM that while only 1% of the entire Argentine population is Jewish that 12% of those persecuted and murdered by the Israeli armed Argentine military were victims.However of about 500 women who were taken prisoners by the military either pregnant or made pregnant by rape,and turned into ‘baby machines’ then savagely mudrered after giving birth,I,(or the Jewish Journal), could only find one baby,(there should have been about 60 if 12% of the 500 women were Jewish),who is said to have had a Jewish mother.

  50. Alfred says:
    @anarchyst

    Leaving people outdoors in a European climate, without food or shelter, is a much cheaper and easier way of killing a great number of people. The birds would have a feast. The bones could be pulverized and dispersed.

    That is what the Americans did to 1.5 million German military prisoners. Few of the German prisoners of the Soviets ever returned to Germany. Where are the remains of the 3.5 million Soviet soldiers who were prisoners of the Germans and perished?

    No need for expensive gas chambers and incinerators. It is all fiction. In wartime, manpower is in short supply.

    • Agree: druid55
    • Replies: @Pop Warner
  51. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @alex in San Jose AKA Digital Detroit

    The Holocaust is unique in that it was perpetrated by a first world, civilized nation. But that also makes it the man-bites-dogs of genocides, most of which in modern times have been in backward places like Cambodia and Rwanda.

  52. An interesting new fad has emerged, particularly with “ex-” revisionists, who admit that all the claims of the Holocaust are lies except the ones made specifically about Auschwitz. Some prominent figures in this sphere today include big names like David Irving and David Cole,

    Not true.

    Both Irving and Cole downplay Auschwitz as killing center. They argue that most Jews were killed out in the open in the bloodlands when Germany invaded Russia.

  53. Even thought the French newspaper L’Express

    though

  54. jsigur says:

    Good article, however using David Cole as an example of one of ours overly persecuted stretches the bounds of believability that Eric is clueless to Cole’s self-admitted infiltration from the get go “to learn what we knew”.

    It is well documented, Cole’s disappearance in becoming David Stein, classical holocaust narrative pusher in the early 2000’s

    An amazing demonstration when it was exposed, the glossing over of this behavior when David wished to sell books with the help of every racialist right information site in town

    That could encourage an honest appraisal that our side was actually a 3rd tier op.

    It goes on to this day as Eric’s reference clearly indicates

    One wonders if a similar occurrence happened in the Jewish community if the word would get out better about the infiltrator in question; I think it would

  55. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @HorriblyDepressed

    The buildings were damaged, but not destroyed, by the impact of two jet airliners. They were destroyed by a carefully planned and executed controlled demolition.

    I used to go to the WTC on occasion for meetings, and the last time I went was in June of 2001. Between the bombing in 1993 and 9/11, the WTC had extremely tight security: visiting an office in the building was like going to an airport. It would have required a huge conspiracy to smuggle demolitions into them. Not to mention on the scale it would have required.

    Then there’s the matter of planting the demolitions on a building where much of the load was borne by an external steel frame. Ryu Murakami’s novel From The Fatherland, With Love includes a detailed scene in which a much more modest building is rigged for demolition by saboteurs. It involves dozens of hours of cutting and drilling in key places to plant charges. It strains credulity to imagine that having been done at the WTC.

  56. jsigur says:
    @melpol

    As if it only happens to Jews

  57. jsigur says:
    @Saggy

    They just aren’t advertised in the Jewish media

  58. kikl says:

    “An interesting new fad has emerged, particularly with “ex-” revisionists, who admit that all the claims of the Holocaust are lies except the ones made specifically about Auschwitz. Some prominent figures in this sphere today include big names like David Irving and David Cole, two men who simply got tired of being imprisoned and physically beaten for their opinions on history. This is a testament to Auschwitz being the king of all third rails.”

    It is actually the other way around. All the claims about the holocaust are held to be true, in particular the Reinhard camps, except Auschwitz. I am not so sure whether Cole and Irving still believe in Majdanek. But, since the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum no longer believes that Majdanek was an extermination camp, I believe that they will join the crowd.

    I think Cole and Irving understood in the late 1980s and early 1990s that Auschwitz is indefensible and they thought that they could become part of the avantgarde of historians to publish this major shift in history that would soon occur. They did not predict that the holocaust orthodoxy would fight back on such a huge scale by slandering, threatening and imprisoning unbelievers. I find it quite astonishing how a jewish elite could make western governments give up freedom of speach and persecute unbelievers. Due to the vicious persecution of these guys they have decided to recant thereby hoping to appease the persecuters…

    I highly respect them for what they did in the 1980s and 1990s. In particular Irving’s early books including Hitler’s war are highly recommended. I understand their strategy, however they have lost all of their credibility. So noone really takes serious whatever they publish today.

  59. @HorriblyDepressed

    “1. Primary responsibility for WWII must be divided between Franklin D. Roosevelt, Winston Churchill and Josef Stalin.

    2. “War-crimes” are inevitable in any war. War itself is a crime. in my opinion. The Germans certainly committed their share of crimes in WWII, such as executing prisoners of war, etc. In the main, however, the Allies were guilty of virtually all of the War-Crimes of which the German government, military and people were accused, and they were guilty to a much greater degree.”

    Starting the war is the ultimate war crime, and as you say in point 1, the Allies carry the guilt, just as they did in WWI. Then there no German equivalents to the firebombings, the Rhine Meadows Camps, The Morgentau Plan, Nuremburg, and most of all extending the war for 6 months so that you could try out your new atom and hydrogen bombs over the cathedral of the largest Catholic cathedral in Asia.

    • Replies: @Felix Krull
  60. FrogChris says:
    @HorriblyDepressed

    Well said.
    Don’t worry.. more and more people are waking up everyday. There are growing communities out there with like-minded people (like ostracized comedian Owen Benjamin and the people who listen to him) and gab dot com.

    If you feel depressed, reach out to people in these groups. You aren’t alone. Lots and lots of us are going through this.. and are in it together.

    BTW, an excellent book on WWI is “Hidden History” by Docherty/Macgregor. It goes through how the Rothschild & his british cronies spent 30 years maneuvering the pieces to start WWI and take down the emerging German nation.

    • Thanks: HorriblyDepressed
    • Replies: @Tom Ratliff
  61. @Dave Pinsen

    A key problem with Karlin’s analysis, in my view, is that it is based on an incomplete understanding of the epidemiological implications of 20th century warfare, so called ‘total war’, which is to say war fought in order to win at any costs.

    The Soviet Union, the United States, and Great Britain were able to wage total war on Germany without themselves being brought to the brink of civilisational collapse. Due to sustained allied bombing and continued economic blockade, the picture in Germany and the German occupied territories in the east was very different.

    Economy, infrastructure, and food production were degraded to the point where they began to break down, while military and civilian loss of life escalated to unsustainable levels. All elements of the population were affected by these conditions, but particularly those in the occupied territories and especially those detained in camps or confined to ghettos or to other restricted geographical areas.

    When survival itself becomes a priority, populations stop reproducing and normal projections for population growth no longer apply. As privation, malnutrition and disease increase, mortality rates from all causes also increase, and because these losses are not replaced population numbers fall, sometimes precipitously.

    In my view, it remains unclear to what extent the reported huge decline in the Jewish population can be attributed to the effects of what had become a war of annihilation against Germany, and to what extent it was the result of a policy of deliberate annihilation augmented by annihilation by neglect.

    The externination of the Jewish population in Europe is characterised as a uniquely horrific event. This claim may prevent us from fully understanding and appreciating the horrifically destructive effects of modern warfare, especially when this takes the form of total war. As a result, ‘ordinary’ acts of warfare remain acceptable because their destructive effects are not fully recognised, or if recognised are nevertheless seen as morally acceptable.

    Although the Soviet Union did not collapse as a result of the German invasion of its western territories, perhaps 25 million of its people died in the course of securing victory. That, to me, is also an horrific cost and a feature of modern warfare that requires our full attention.

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
  62. Some of the stories may be exaggerated, but one cannot deny that millions of people were deliberately killed. There is too much photographic evidence and the mass graves with thousands of bodies cannot be denied. However the holcaust is exploited by Zionists to justify the creation of Israel. That’s the big lie. Not only Jews were killed but also many nonJews, Russians, resistance people in the underground movements, Gypsies etc.

    • Replies: @Blankaerd
  63. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Carolyn Yeager

    And I remember how rude and vulgar David Cole was in his exchange with Ron Unz.

    Not much decency or integrity in the man.

    • Replies: @Tusk
  64. gotmituns says:

    merely asking questions get you a prison term?
    —————————————————-
    Asking “questions” is a tactic I use. The few times the subject comes up in a group, I ask a probing question and leave it at that. If I’m challenged, I just retreat into “ignorance” – [I just asked a question, why are you getting so upset about a question]?

    I also use this tactic in my letters to the editor. Many times, the letters get printed because of the stupidity of the censors employed by the “newspapers.”

    • Agree: Pop Warner
  65. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Dave Pinsen

    Then there’s the matter of planting the demolitions on a building where much of the load was borne by an external steel frame. Ryu Murakami’s novel From The Fatherland, With Love includes a detailed scene in which a much more modest building is rigged for demolition by saboteurs. It involves dozens of hours of cutting and drilling in key places to plant charges. It strains credulity to imagine that having been done at the WTC.

    Not too difficult to plant the charges if given permission by the owners of the buildings. No sneaking required, particularly if you own the security service. They might even help you plant the charges if you were to ask.

    What strains credulity even more is to think that WTC 7 fell exactly like a controlled demolition from a fire that was started on the top floor. AND, its fall was reported before it even happened.

    That really strains credulity!

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
  66. Belchazar says:

    Go Julian – mystics rule!!!!

  67. I heard that a young girl fell asleep on the synagogue steps, only to wake up under a heavy dew.

    • LOL: Lurker
  68. Blankaerd says:
    @Contraviews

    There are no doubt millions who have lost their lives directly or indirectly as a result of nazi policy, but that fact is not disputed here.

    What is disputed is:
    a. That there was a plan to systematically kill all European jews
    b. That there were mass-gassings of undesirables.

    What isn’t disputed is:
    a. Hundreds of thousands of people dying because of malnutrition and typhus (nazi’s are at least partially responsible for their deaths)
    b. Hundreds of thousands if not millions of POW’s and Soviet citizens dying because of starvation (that was in done in part because nazi-Germany was unable to build up food surpluses and the army and German civilians had priority over foreigners and POW’s)
    c. mass-shootings, especially by the Einsatzgruppen. Not part of a plan to ‘exterminate’ jews as is claimed, but as part of anti-partisan and anti-communist activities, which sometimes resulted in absolutely brutal reprisals in which no doubt countless innocents died alongside actual communists and partisans.

    All in all I think nazi-Germany directly or indirectly killed at least 500.000 innocents, a high guesstimate would be 2.5-3.0 million. Not even close to the 11-17 million the Holocaustians claim.

    • Agree: kikl
    • Replies: @Saggy
    , @Theodore
  69. Anon[398] • Disclaimer says:

    6 gorillion

    Statue of Liberty poem

    Holy Scripture

    Chosen rule because Rapture

  70. RouterAl says:

    Here in the UK if I have my facts right , we cremate 350,000 bodies each year. This is achieved by between 300 and 320 cremation ovens. These ovens are mostly modern computer controlled gas fired ovens. The waiting list in the UK is about 2 weeks for a body to be cremated. That works out about 4 bodies per day per oven. So even with the most modern 21st century equipment it would take the UK about 18 years to work through the 6 million Jews.
    So we are asked to accept that the Germans at say Treblinka managed to, in barely 2 years, with coke or wood fired ovens cremate 900,000 bodies in an area the size of a few football pitches in the middle of nowhere.
    One of the hardest things to do in life is to admit to yourself you were wrong or acknowledge you were lied to and you believed it, such is my case with the Holohoax. Very little of what we were fed about WW2 turned out to be true or is able to resist revisionism history.

    • Agree: davidgmillsatty
  71. CBTerry says:
    @surly

    Accurate and well said.

    Also, Cole’s “We know that for a fact” is an interesting phrase. It’s rhetorical weight relies on conflating two definitions of fact: fact as a piece of evidence — which may be true or false — with fact as something that is known to be true.

    If Cole, an excellent writer, wanted to write precisely, he would have written, “This is known to be true.” Interesting that he chose not to be precise.

  72. Here we go again; the debate on UR that never ends and never succeeds in changing anyone’s mind – all set in their same same opinions, both claiming the truth and the facts are on their side. I wonder if even one reader changed his/her point of view on this as a result of sticking around on UR. Everyone just repeating again and again. Hardly worth reading or commenting, so I’m commenting before reading, but I’ll read through later to see if there’s any new revelations in either the pro- or contra- camps.

  73. @melpol

    Polish mobs beat Jewish civilians and have escaped condemnation. Jews had to hide in basements to avoid being crucified.

    And whose basements, pray tell, were those Jews hiding in? Their own? Well, no. They were hiding in the basements of Pollacks, who, in turn, were risking their lives by hiding Jews. But I bet you’re one of those Jewish chauvinists who believes that all Pollacks are equally guilty of the Holohoax, and that all of them–or their descendants, who weren’t even alive during the war–should forever pay tribute to Israel, so that the Jews there can go on ethnically cleansing the Palestinians.

    There’s a word for that in Hebrew: chutzpah.

    • Replies: @melpol
  74. refl says:
    @alex in San Jose AKA Digital Detroit

    At any given time it seems like there’s a genocide or three going on. The Uighurs, the Rohyngha, and always a few burbling along in Africa because … Africa.

    Uighurs – cutting off the New Silk Road towards Central Asia, Rohyngha – cutting off China from the Indian Ocean, Holocaust ™ – interdicting any question on jewish supremacy.

    Always keep your eye on the big picture.

  75. RVBlake says:
    @Leon

    The site Renegade Tribune often posts articles related to Zundel

  76. RVBlake says:
    @anarchyst

    It is my understanding that the bones of cremated bodies must be additionally crushed. That would seem to be an additional burden.

  77. @Johan

    Ernst Zuendel makes me proud to have even a single drop of German blood in my veins.

  78. anon[837] • Disclaimer says:

    Holocaust Shmolocaust. Cry me a river over something that didn’t happen kikes.

  79. refl says:
    @utu

    Actually in early 1990’s I fantasized that Poland together with Germany could severely damage the canonical Holocaust narrative

    The question is, if they want this at all at official level. The lies about the history of the World Wars are so defining for modern western society that they would break down, if they allowed their version of history to be put under scrutiny.
    The lies will come down, but with them the whole moral standing, the supreme standard of western democracy and its materialistic emptiness will be exposed.

    This is biggerr then just an awkward lie about historical facts. So we here will keep sawing away at the big lie, but better look for somewhere to run when the truth sinks in with society at large.

    • Agree: awry
  80. eah says:
    @Frank Sinatra

    the Aktion Reinhardt camps (Treblinka, Belzec, Sobibor)

    Actually, the claims about the ‘Aktion Reinhardt’ camps are some of the most absurd in the entire ‘Holocaust’ catalog.

    Treblinka: it’s claimed literally hundreds of thousands were murdered, buried, then dug up months, maybe more than a year later, to be burned in open fires — after many months under waterlogged ground, what would be left of a human corpse that could be unearthed and burned? — it would be nothing but skin, sludge, and bones — in any case, a human corpse cannot be eingeäschert in an open fire — the whole Treblink narrative is ridiculous.

    Belzec: even the the German language Wikipedia page about Vernichtungslager Belzec says it’s not known exactly how the victims were killed/gassed because there are too many conflicting lies claims about it:

    Anfänglich wurden die Opfer getötet, indem man – wie in den Tötungsanstalten der Aktion T4 – reines Kohlenstoffmonoxid-Gas aus Stahlflaschen einleitete. Später wurden Motorabgase eingeleitet; die Angaben über die Art des Motors sind widersprüchlich und nicht abschließend zu klären.

    First CO (carbon monoxide) was used, later motor exhaust — but no one can say what kind of motor exhaust it was — there are too many conflicting stories (‘widersprüchliche Angaben’) — keep in mind that although it’s against the law in Germany to deny mass murder happened at Belzec, they can’t tell you exactly how it happened — still you have to believe it did.

    • Replies: @Just passing through
  81. There once were some jews from Berlin
    Said to be great purveyors of sin
    Onkel Adolf they crossed
    Into camps they got tossed
    But no lampshade was made from thier skin

  82. @Dave Pinsen

    Between the bombing in 1993 and 9/11, the WTC had extremely tight security: visiting an office in the building was like going to an airport. It would have required a huge conspiracy to smuggle demolitions into them. Not to mention on the scale it would have required.

    Don’t be silly, Dave. If owned–excuse me, leased–the WTC yourself before 9/11, controlling security there would be very easy:

    https://wikispooks.com/wiki/9-11/Israel_did_it#Control_of_World_Trade_Center_Complex

    • Agree: 9/11 Inside job
    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  83. melpol says:
    @Digital Samizdat

    I am not in favor of Israeli citizens being reimbursed for decades old Polish hate crimes. But the homes of Polish Jews that were seized should be returned to living relatives. Living relatives must agree to live in those homes without putting them up for sale. It was the German and Polish governments that was responsible for setting the population against Jews. Not every German or Pole was guilty of being involved in WW2 hate crimes.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @druid55
  84. @Genrick Yagoda

    Maybe you were thinking about Irving’s quip that Auschwitz was the “battleship” of the Holocaust Industry, and when Auschwitz is sunk, the whole business goes down with it.

  85. @Commentator Mike

    Well, Mike, I can tell you that Unz changed my mind on the Holohoax … along with much else.

    • Agree: Poco
  86. Anonymous[191] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    I used to visit the WTC for business myself, and it has no more bearing on placing demo than your experiences there or some novel you read. Nice try at irrelevant misdirection.

    The external frame on WTC 7 that you’re apparently claiming would support the structure even after the main, central columns were taken out can be seen in videos collapsing straight down at verified free-fall speed right after initiation of the implosion. This is demonstrably an impossibility if there were any resistance to collapse from significant structural elements. Furthermore, your scenario of structural support from the external frame would have perforce induced wildly asymmetrical collapse, of which there was none. The events can only be accounted for by simultaneously taking out the interior columns with explosives.

    Your glibness is citing what you have no knowledge about regarding 9/11 suggests you’re a visitor from Conservatism Inc, where no standard of evidence is so low, abuse of the scientific method so flagrant, or official fairytale so preposterous—of magical, bilocational Arabs who couldn’t fly Cessna 150s flying jetliners into buildings that were magically except from the laws of physics on 9/11–that it won’t give you cover to cower before the Jews and yet say it’s a matter of principled acceptance in this one, unique case, of deep state propaganda. No wonder Conservatism Inc has become a joke. I’ll bet you also get hot under the collar if anyone suggests Elie Wiesel didn’t actually witness “tens of thousands” of Jews cremated in burning pits or questions how Wiesel’s tattoo magically disappeared from his left forearm.

    As to the main point, there were apparently something like almost 4 million Jews living in Germany and the occupied lands during the war and, sadly, while something like over 3 million applied for indemnification as victims after the war, 6 million were lost in the Holocaust.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    , @mikesmith
  87. Jane Doe says:
    @melpol

    Nor should the Jews be forgiven for committing genocide against millions of innocent people in Russia, Ukraine, Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Iran. Their assets should be frozen and seized to pay reparations to these countries, the Jew perpetrators should be hunted to the ends of the earth until they are held accountable for their heinous crimes. Museums should be built everywhere that document and depict the Jewish lies, murder and depravity that have killed millions.

  88. @Commentator Mike

    I don’t know about that, it’s certainly made me examine my own ideas more thoroughly and modify one or two in the light of information I’ve done across here. I don’t think I would have made a total about face, though. No online forum could do that; it takes months to years of information gathering and introspection.

  89. @HorriblyDepressed

    As someone who, until recently, wholeheartedly believed the main outlines of the holocaust myth, I can only say that reading the Revisionist literature and finding it entirely credible, and then reviewing the so-called “evidence” for the Holocaust and finding it unbelievable, was like waking up and finding out that the Matrix was real

    Same here. Welcome to the Dark Side.

    • Thanks: HorriblyDepressed
    • Replies: @anon
  90. How about this:
    Konrad Adenauer,chancellor of Germany,in a speech in Bern,Switzerland,1949:Of 13,3 million displaced germans,6 million have disappeared from the face of the earth.The displacement was based on the Potsdam Agreement of August 2,1945.

  91. Theodore says:
    @Frank Sinatra

    such killings *did* take place in the Aktion Reinhardt camps (Treblinka, Belzec, Sobibor).

    It is claimed that these 3 camps (T+B+S) are responsible for 1.5 million Jewish victims.

    Can you show us all just one single “Huge mass grave” from Treblinka 2, Sobibor, or Belzec containing the burnt/unburnt remains of a mere 0.1% of the alleged 1.5 million?
    What about one pit containing just 0.01% of the alleged 1.5 million?

    Suggested:

    What Happened to Jews Sent to the Aktion Reinhardt Camps?
    https://www.unz.com/article/what-happened-to-jews-sent-to-the-aktion-reinhardt-camps/

    Note: read comment #81, quite revealing. And the rest.

  92. Poco says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Does it not strain credulity to maintain that it would take a large scale of smuggled explosives to bring down the buildings but that two planes could bring down 3 buildings with ease?

    • Replies: @melpol
  93. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @melpol

    OK, even though you seem to be trolling, I’ll bite.

    “Living relatives must agree to live in those homes without putting them up for sale.”

    Why?

  94. @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    Great post, it should be a featured article.

    As an aside: the thing about the gas vans was a cornerstone item in the verdict of the Irving vs. Lipstadt trial: Irving had told the court about the gas vans, and the defense pressed him for a number. Irving was very reluctant to do so, but since the parties had agreed to let Auschwitz stand in for the Holocaust in toto, he probably figured it was a minor question, so he gave them a ballpark figure of a couple of thousand. This the judge used in his verdict to prove that Irving was a holocaust denier, condemned by his own words since he had admitted to a systematic program of murdering of Jews.

    Then, I have this question about the effectiveness of criminalising Holocaust denial. What does it achieve?

    As Churchill said “In wartime, truth is such a precious commodity it should be attended by a bodyguard of lies.”

    Well, Europe is still occupied by the Americans, so I take it wartime isn’t over yet…

  95. @HorriblyDepressed

    Dont forget Hollywood.The official story of WW2 reminded me of average Hollywood movies.Here the good guy,over there the bad guy,they fight,the good guy wins.This is all presented in a way 12yr.olds will understand,over and over.That got me thinking.
    Try to imagine a James Bond movie without a villain.007 would just be an alcoholic.I think its the same with the Pentagon.Peace must be their worst nightmare.

    • Agree: HorriblyDepressed
    • Replies: @HorriblyDepressed
  96. Saggy says: • Website
    @Blankaerd

    Hundreds of thousands of people dying because of malnutrition and typhus (nazi’s are at least partially responsible for their deaths)

    No. The Nazis put the Jews and others in camps and did their best to keep them healthy, going to extreme lengths, btw. Eg. Jan Van Pelt and Deborah Dwork are well known Holocaust scholars who wrote the book ‘Auschwitz: 1270 to the Present’ (2002) which is quoted below:

    Zyklon B … was the trade name of a cyanide-based pesticide invented in Germany in the early 1920s. It consisted of hydrogen cyanide (prussic acid), as well as a cautionary eye irritant …

    Uses included delousing clothing and fumigating ships, warehouses, and trains.

    Zyklon-B was introduced into Auschwitz in July, 1940…..It was commonly used to fumigate lice infested buildings.

    A violent typhus epidemic erupted in the summer of 1942 and the whole lice infested camps – barracks, offices, and workshops – had to fumigated with tons of Zyklon-B

    Later that year Schacter developed primitive gas chambers in block 26 … to fumigate prisoners clothing ….. Degesch engineers … recommended the installation of many small heatable gas chambers to be used with tins of Zyklon-B

    This is a drawing from the book showing the prisoners reception facility containing nineteen delousing chambers –
    Typhus killed the Jews, not the Nazis. It is well documented in a British vid that was shelved for 50 years, you can now see it here ….

    • Replies: @Blankaerd
  97. Z-man says:
    @Curmudgeon

    Elie Wiesel He dead now, no? Good. And odds are he’s not in a happy place. (Wry grin)

    • Replies: @TKK
  98. Theodore says:
    @Thomasina

    Anne Frank’s story – and all those associated with her – actually refutes the “Auschwitz extermination camp” storyline

    While Anne Frank’s story is tragic, you ignore the manner of death of the 8 people in the Annex. The official history is that non-working Jewish people arriving at Auschwitz were all “gassed.” But of the eight sent to Auschwitz on September 3, 1944 from the Annex, not one of them was killed in a gas chamber. Instead, five of the eight were transported back to Germany-Austria in November 1944.

    The details of the eight individuals from the Annex are:

    The Frank Family was detained for failing to report for labor service and for going into hiding.

    1. Anne Frank– sent to Auschwitz, then transported to Belsen where she died of typhus (in Belsen not Auschwitz).

    2. Otto Frank– left behind in Auschwitz with those in the sick barracks. Survived the War.

    3. Edith Frank-Holländer–left behind in Auschwitz as the Germans retreated.

    4. Margot Frank (Anne’s older sister) died of typhus in Belsen (not Auschwitz).

    5. Fritz Pfeffer, sent to Auschwitz then transported to Neuengamme concentration camp where he died on 20 December 1944. His cause of death is listed in the camp records as “enterocolitis.”

    6. Auguste van Pels born Auguste Röttgen (Hermann’s wife), whose date of death is unknown. Witnesses testified that she was with the Frank sisters during part of their time in Bergen-Belsen. According to German records, van Pels was sent to Bergen-Belsen concentration camp in Germany with a group of eight women on November 26, 1944. Hannah Goslar’s testimony was that she spoke to van Pels through the barbed wire fence “in late January or early February”. Auguste was transferred on February 6, 1945 to Raguhn (Buchenwald in Germany), then to the Czechoslovakia camp Theresienstadt ghetto on April 9, 1945.

    7. Peter van Pels died in Mauthausen (not Auschwitz).

    8. Hermann van Pels died in Auschwitz. It is often claimed that he was “gassed.” However, according to eyewitness testimony, this did not happen on the day of his arrival there. Sal de Liema, an inmate at Auschwitz who knew both Otto Frank and Hermann van Pels, said that after two or three days in the camp, van Pels mentally “gave up.” He later injured his thumb on a work detail, and requested to be sent to the sick barracks. There is no evidence whatever for the assertion that Hermann van Pels was gassed.

    The pattern is the same with other groups closely associated with Anne Frank who were also sent to Auschwitz from Holland.

    9. Eva Geiringer — born May 11, 1929. Sent to Auschwitz May 1944 Step-sister of Anne Frank. Survived the War.

    10. “Fritzy” Geiringer, mother of Eva, Married Otto Frank. Survived the War.

    11. Heinz Geiringer, brother. Survived Auschwitz but died on a forced march out of the camp.

    12. “Pappy” Geiringer. Survived Auschwitz but died on a forced march out of the camp.

    The Geiringers were immigrants from Austria; They too ignored a call up for labor service received July 6, 1942 and went into hiding. They were found out on May 11, 1944, detained and were sent to Auschwitz that month.

    13. Janny Brandes-Brilleslijper. Was arrested for forgery. Was in the Westerbork, Auschwitz and Bergen-Belsen concentration camps. Traveled to Auschwitz on the same train as the Frank family and to Belsen with Anne and Anne’s older sister Margot. Survived the War.

    14. Lientje, sister of Janny. Was in the Westerbork, Auschwitz and Bergen-Belsen concentration camps with Janny. Survived the War.

    Elsewhere you have praised the “relentless pursuit of historical details.” You are right. Details allow us to learn what really happened. In this case the details tell us that none of the people traveling with Anne Frank died in “gas chambers.” Why? And why did the Germans transport Anne, her sister, Janny, Lientje and so many others back into Germany in 1944? These are details which should profoundly affect our, and your, understanding of German policies.

    From:
    The Importance of Anne Frank
    https://codoh.com/library/document/4543/

    • Replies: @Thomasina
  99. Z-man says:

    The Last Days of the “Holocaust”

    From your keyboard to God’s ears.
    There seems to be critical mass that supports this but then again, ‘The Power of the Cabal is immense.’

  100. Theodore says:
    @Blankaerd

    All in all I think nazi-Germany directly or indirectly killed at least 500.000 innocents, a high guesstimate would be 2.5-3.0 million. Not even close to the 11-17 million the Holocaustians claim.

    What exactly even is “killed innocents” in regards to a war forced onto Germany, started by Britain and France who refused all peace proposals?

    3 million German soldiers perished in the Second World War. A good number of them were conscripted, if a person is forcibly conscripted into battle and dies, were they “killed” by their own government?

    What is the difference between “murdered” and “killed” and “died” with regards to a war? These sorts of questions are important.

    • Replies: @Blankaerd
  101. TKK says:
    @Truth3

    He lost his livelihood for questioning the narrative. He concluded the numbers were inflated, perhaps by millions. He lost a lot and never backed down.

    To be sure, to emphatically shout there was no state sponsored plan to remove Juden from Germany and its occupied territories is not only delusional, its a dead loser argument.

    Furthermore, simply because someone does not wish for all Jews to be gassed, or in fact, have some Jewish heritage- does not make them a Mossad agent. It’s beyond stupid.

    Unz has the serious money to play the Eternal Questioner as a disguise for his hatred for Jews and waste his life on the past.

    Do you?

    • Replies: @Truth3
    , @NoseytheDuke
  102. Saggy says: • Website

    1. Anne Frank– sent to Auschwitz, then transported to Belsen where she died of typhus (in Belsen not Auschwitz).

    There is no evidence that she died at Belsen and the Anne Frank center recently revised its story due to ‘new research’ ….. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/03/31/anne-frank-death-probably-february-1945/70742898/

    And, there is direct, if not conclusive, evidence that she survived. This is an screenshot from the film ‘Memory of the Camps’ taken by the British as they approached Belsen,

    This photo shows the girl in the Belsen photo and a photo of Anne Frank.

    There is also circumstantial evidence. I asked the Anne Frank center about the photo and they claimed to have no knowledge of it. The group of children shown were known as the ‘diamond children’ as they were Jews from Amsterdam, and they with the older woman returned to Amsterdam together and were met by the Queen. They have reunions, and AFAIK have been totally silent of the subject of AF. See also ‘Memories of of Coal Child’… http://faculty.ce.berkeley.edu/coby/essays/coalchild.htm

  103. TKK says:
    @Z-man

    Yeah- you’re cool.

    THE Z- MAN! Smirking at old people dying. Are you in an underground Fight Club, too?

    Sure- there’s a hell. It’s called Earth, and populated by mouth breathers like you that the wicked Internet sadly gives a platform.

    • Replies: @Z-man
  104. @Felix Krull

    I can literally not conceive of a more inefficient and time consuming way of mass murder than a gas van. It would literally be simpler to just strip your victims naked and let them freeze to death.

    • Agree: Buzz Mohawk
  105. anon[837] • Disclaimer says:
    @Felix Krull

    Once you wake up and join the Dark Side, you can’t look at other people the same anymore. All potential enemies and obstacles in your path. Fuck em all.

  106. @melpol

    Wasn’t the intent of the Haavara Treaty to make innocent Germans Jew lives so miserable, they would then move to Palestine? Removing you from your home and sent to a concentrated camp sounds like a good recipe for misery. Ironically it is exactly what is happening to Palestinians in Gaza.

    • Replies: @melpol
  107. Blankaerd says:
    @Saggy

    No. The Nazis put the Jews and others in camps and did their best to keep them healthy,

    Only by order of Himmler from roughly July 1942 onwards, roughly two years after Auschwitz became a concentration camp and five months after the first jews arrived as a result of the final solution policy decided upon during the Wansee conference. The initial camp conditions were atrocious, and a typhus epidemic could have easily been prevented had the Germans implemented hygienic policies (such as washing of clothes, regular showerings, and so on) from the get-go. Nazi’s do share blame in the deaths of jews that could have easily been prevented by relative mundane measures. You can find primary sources of camp commanders, inspectors, doctors and guards complaining about the atrocious conditions at the camps.

    • Replies: @Tusk
  108. Z-man says:
    @TKK

    Ah, you must be a chosenite, no?
    I could go on for hours but you’re not worth it.
    F U, you atheist worm.

  109. @Leon

    Jim Rizzoli on Bitchute has all the videos made by Ernst Zündel, the great man. You can contact him by phone or email:
    https://www.bitchute.com/channel/httpswwwbitchutecomchannelkdhbe5v/

  110. @Just passing through

    That is what holocaust historian-believer David Cesarani says in his 1000-page book “Final Solution.” I discuss it in this new article for January 27, 2020: https://jan27.org/are-we-nearing-the-end-of-auschwitz/

    Erik Striker has it backwards, doesn’t he. “Just passing through” knows more than Eric Striker does. I doubt Striker has ever read a revisionist book. He should tell us what the basis for his article is. He seems to write an article a day (approx.) on various subjects, so what do you call that? A hack.

  111. @Ship Track

    Then there no German equivalents to the firebombings, the Rhine Meadows Camps, The Morgentau Plan

    Steady on, there. Never mind that the Nazis flattened thousands of towns and villages and kept Soviet POWs in open camps, but they certainly had Morgenthau plans for Poland, Ukraine and Belorussia, just like they had after the Russian surrender in WWI – look up the Brest-Littowsk Treaty. We do in fact have undisputed, documentary evidence that, according to Nazi planners, the populations would be drastically culled and the remaining locals serve the Germans as slaves, with only enough education to read road signs, write their own names and count to 100.

    Let’s not walk into a binary trap here; the Nazis have been smeared horrendously, but that doesn’t mean Hitler was the good guy. Either.

    • Agree: RVBlake, Popeye
    • Disagree: Carolyn Yeager
  112. Blankaerd says:
    @Theodore

    What exactly even is “killed innocents” in regards to a war forced onto Germany, started by Britain and France who refused all peace proposals?

    I think I should have said that 500.000 – 3 million innocents directly or indirectly perished as a result of nazi policy. By innocents one typically means non-military people who did not engage in any illegal activities within the context of war.

    3 million German soldiers perished in the Second World War. A good number of them were conscripted, if a person is forcibly conscripted into battle and dies, were they “killed” by their own government?

    Nobody really sees it that way, and it isn’t the case according to international law. If a soldier shoots an enemy soldier on a battlefield then he did not do anything illegal.

    What is the difference between “murdered” and “killed” and “died” with regards to a war? These sorts of questions are important.

    Knowing exactly what proportion of the 500.000 – 3 million innocents were ‘murdered,’ ‘killed’ or ‘died’ as a result of nazi policy is an exercise in futility and ultimately totally irrelevant to the point. The nazi’s did murder, kill and let people die just like all the other belligerents did.

    • Replies: @Theodore
    , @Wally
  113. Wally says:
    @Carolyn Yeager

    Except Wiesel wrote:

    Wiesel’s exact words in “Night” are (p. 78):

    “The choice was in our hands. For once we could decide our fate for ourselves. We could both stay in the hospital, where I could, thanks to my doctor, get him [the father] entered as a patient or nurse. Or else we could follow the others. ‘Well, what shall we do, father?’ He was silent. ‘Let’s be evacuated with the others,’ I told him.”

    and that was confirmed by Primo Levi in Levi’s book “Survival in Auschwitz,” we have his words for January 17th, 1945:

    “It was not a question of reasoning: I would probably also have followed the instinct of the flock [to leave with the SS] if I had not felt so weak: fear is supremely contagious, and its immediate reaction is to make one try to run away.”

    • Replies: @Carolyn Yeager
  114. melpol says:
    @Poco

    Houses taken from Polish Jews should be returned to relatives. Its value is also a tombstone to those that were murdered. It is a desecration to sell that home rather than to keep it and live in Poland. The ghosts of the dead remain in that old Jewish home. They will be happy when the family returns to celebrate Hanukkah once again.

    • Troll: Lol just lol
  115. @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    I can literally not conceive of a more inefficient and time consuming way of mass murder than a gas van

    So the Germans quickly discovered and the practice was discontinued. The vans were an experiment established because machinegunning people into ditches, in Irving’s words “took it out of the SS” – ruined their morale.

    • Replies: @Popeye
  116. @Saggy

    That is, very likely, Anne Frank, with a whole lot of other smiling children.

    In the 1970s, like thousands of other American children, I was made to re-enact “her diary” in school. (That was supposed to be an English class, called then “Language Arts,” but in fact we hardly studied any English at all.) I played Anne’s father, in fact.

    These things have been a part of American curricula since at least the 1970s that I remember.

  117. Wally says:
    @Carolyn Yeager

    – Scholar Friedrich Paul Berg said:

    “The fact that hundreds of thousands of Jews preferred the company of Nazis to Soviet “liberation” is indeed supported by “survivor’s” accounts including the Schindler List story. One interesting supporting story is that of the famous Primo Levi who achieved world notoriety for his classic “Survival in Auschwitz.”

    In the Collier Books version paperback version page 140 he explains why he CHOSE to stay in Auschwitz rather than go west with supposedly the greatest murderers of Jews in the history of the universe. “It was not a question of reasoning: I would probably also have followed the instinct of the flock if I had not felt so weak; fear is supremely contagious, and its immediate reaction is to make one try to run away.” The “fear” in this case is clearly fear of the Russians.”

    • Replies: @Carolyn Yeager
  118. melpol says:
    @Old and grumpy

    Those who put together the Haavara Treaty were guilty of a massive hate crime. Very few German Jews wanted moving to Palestine. Chasing Holocaust survivors into Palestine disrupted the region, most would gladly have came to NYC or London. The fault of the emerging cruelty to Gaza Arabs can be blamed on those crazy Zionists not ordinary Jews.

  119. @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    QUOTE even according to the official story, until the Wannsee Conference of January 1942 at which the Endlösung (Final Solution) END QUOTE

    You raise a good point. I personally own a copy of the Reader’s Digest Feb 1943. At the time, you would receive the Reader’s Digest in the month dated before the issue. In other words, you got your copy in January 1943. Which means the articles were submitted at least a month before (December 1942) and of course the time to write the article.

    Ben Hecht, Hollywood script writer, wrote an article for this issue. In this article, Hecht tells us that the sacred 6,000,000 would be exterminated. Many of them by being lorried to death. 🙂

    You can read his article at the link below

    http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2008/05/ben-hecht-remember-us.html

  120. @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    If the Holocaust really happened as claimed (including six million dead Jews, not one less), then there’s as much point of criminalising Holocaust denial as there is in criminalising denial of evolution or a spherical earth. Anyone who denies those is merely a crank and/or an ignoramus and can be laughed at but isn’t jailed, because denying evolution exists or that the earth is round does nothing whatever to harm the facts that evolution exists or the earth is round.

    It is suppressed because the Holocaust is used a political weapons to achieve various ends, from justifying Israeli government action, to scaring people into not noticing the misdeeds of Jews (because remember goyim, the last time you started talking about malign Jewish influence, 6 million Jews ended up dead)

    If it one day turned out that the earth was flat or that evolution was fake, then people wouldn’t really change their behaviour or political views that much, perhaps some might feel bad for making fun of Christians.

    But if the Holocaust was shown to be something very different from the legacy narrative, then the as hominem attacks like ‘racist’ or ‘anti-semite’ would lose all their power. Germans would no longer feel guilt and people would be able to point out Jewish conspiracies much like people can point out Muslim conspiracies (the few that do exist). You could openly talk about Obama being an Islamist without losing too much cred, but can you talk about politicians being owned by Jews? Why not? It is because of the Holocaust and this is why the legend must be maintained at all costs.

    The majority of people still believe all the propaganda about Muslims and WMDs and how they hate us for our ‘freedoms’, and that was based on scant evidence. Now think how easy it is to pychologically manipulate people into believing in the Holocaust.

    I’ve been to Auschwitz-Birkenau, they use a very clever tactic of leading tourists though galleries of suffering and death (from starvation and typhus), it is quite emotionally taxing. Then they take you to the grande finale, the reconstructed gas chambers by which time almost everyone will be willing to believe anything about Jewish suffering and will be able to overlook the marks on the floor in the alleged gas chamber where walls had previously been, or that there are pipes sticking out of the ground where there were once some kind of toilet.

    There is also some kind of Holocaust movie being released, Schindler’s List is mandatory viewing in most schools.

    I don’t think we are in the last days of the Holocaust to he honest.

  121. The alleged killing fields of eastern Europe were overrun by the Red Army in 1944-45 and remained under Soviet control for the next half-century – everything we think we know about what Germans did to Jews there comes to us filtered through Stalin’s propaganda machine. It is inescapable that the testimony of alleged eyewitnesses is often contradictory and many times describes physical impossibilities.

    The work camps in Germany proper were the only facilities taken by the western allies. General Eisenhower is seen in a famous newsreel entering the one at Ohrdurf. He was accompanied by Omar Bradley and George Patton (who became so upset that he ran behind a shed and threw up) and was filmed by the Hollywood director Billy Wilder. Surveying the corpses scattered around and the emaciated surviving inmates, Ike solemnly intones, “this is why we are fighting them” and this is why the film was made: as war propaganda. No mention is made of the fact that Ike’s psychological warfare team, headed by Colonel Robert McClure, had been in Ohrdurf for eight days before Ike’s filmed arrival, artfully arranging “evidence” of German inhumanity. Colonel McClure would continue his career in state-sponsored propaganda in editorship roles at Time and Life magazines in the Cold War era. He became Eisenhower’s chief speechwriter when Ike won the presidency.

    The Nuremberg Tribunals were held to prevent the unmasking of wartime anti-German propaganda as revisionists did after the Great War of 1914-18. Throughout the earlier conflict, the allied media were saturated with false reports of German atrocities. The original version of the human soap fable and the claim that Germany murdered 700,000 Jews in gas chambers were among the many absurdities quickly debunked after the war. Many doughboy veterans began to refer to theirs as “the lost generation” for how badly they hade been used and discarded by Washington’s war machine. The “America First” movement of 1940, today mischaracterized as a racist phenomenon, was the patriotic refusal by their children to be victims of the crime perpetrated against their fathers by the revival of Germanophobia in FDR’s regime.

    The main Soviet judge at Nuremberg was none other than Nikitchenko himself, who had conducted the Moscow inquisitions of 1935-36. German defendants were routinely tortured to obtain false confessions, evidence was fabricated, exculpatory evidence was disallowed, and defense attorneys were allowed no rebuttals (every last one of some three hundred thousand personal affidavits on behalf of the defendants was judged inadmissible, for one example). When the inquisition was over, some 50,000 Germans had been judicially murdered to prevent them from speaking their truth.

    And can we say the unspeakable, that Jews occupy such an outsized place in western imagination chiefly because of the hateful role they were assigned in the mythology of Christianity, as the people who murdered god himself. Absent this bizarre fantasy, their fate would mean no more to us than that of the Tutsi or the Lakota or a thousand other victims of ethnic cleansing.

  122. Agent76 says:

    Dec 23, 2018 I Survived the Holocaust as a baby – Now I fight to ensure this horror is NEVER forgotten

    She was born in Budapest in July 1944. She and her mother were sent to the ghetto there in November 1944 and were liberated in January 1945.

    Jan 30, 2016 Operation Reinhard: The Murder of Polish Jewry

    How did the horror of the Nazi death camps evolve? Auschwitz didn’t just sprout from the ground one day. There was an “evolution” of the murder machinery, and a cast of diabolical characters most people have never heard of.

  123. melpol,

    Are you not confusing the Bolsheviks with the Mensheviks? I think what you wrote refers to the Mensheviks.

  124. @Dave Pinsen

    I used to go to the WTC on occasion for meetings, and the last time I went was in June of 2001. Between the bombing in 1993 and 9/11, the WTC had extremely tight security: visiting an office in the building was like going to an airport. It would have required a huge conspiracy to smuggle demolitions into them. Not to mention on the scale it would have required.

    I have no doubt it required a great deal of labor. I have no doubt that internal security was compromised to some extent. I imagine that it required a fairly large conspiracy of very powerful people to pull it off. That is not to say such a conspiracy is or was impossible. What I can say without a doubt is that the official story is scientifically impossible. It is very clear from watching videos of the collapse of the World Trade Center that it was the result of a controlled demolition. I can also say without a doubt that none of this could have happened without the active participation of the U.S. government at the highest levels.

    Beyond this, I can only speculate. Exactly who was involved? I do not know. Who knew what and when? I do not know. Was the Israeli intelligence service a part of the conspiracy? It seems very likely, but I can’t prove that, either. Let me emphasize, however, that I do not need to know any of those things in order to say, without a shadow of a doubt, that the U.S. government brought down the WTC for its own (doubtless nefarious) reasons.

  125. It is an interesting parallel between this article and Saker’s article today. Saker ends with:

    “Empires can survive many things, but once they are not feared anymore, then their end is near.”

    Striker ends with:

    At this point, it’s not a question of historical accuracy but of power. And only power can check power. We are living in the last days of the Holohoax.

    Together these statements are telling us that the holohoax will be smashed Shia crescent and Silk Road and that Zionism will be crushed along with the power of the Zionist narrative. I certainly hope so.

    This latest farce called the “Trump Peace Plan” also fits in the puzzle and shows how the Yid is getting very nervous. But we also have financial markets at peak bubble, Corona virus breaking out, California and Australia pummeled by Agenda 2030 climate preservation DEW’s, simultaneous to every country across the west being on the cusp of giving up their national roots and even their white majorities. “Terrorist” attacks keep accelerating along with the count of victims and the hyperbole of their narrative. Earthquakes, Hurricanes and Fukushima loom on the horizon.

    I think all of these simultaneous disturbances to the matrix are not merely coincidence.

    • Replies: @Ahem
  126. @eah

    Watch ‘One Third of the Holocaust’ if you haven’t already, it debunks some absurdities regarding Aktion Reinhardt.

    http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=1001&play=101#watch

    Treblinka was surrounded by extremely flammable bushes interspersed by barbed wire, it is unfathomable that some kapo didn’t burn the whole camp down when they were cremating the bodies.

    [The cremation area is on the top right, as you can see the entire camp is surrounded by bushes, these bushes have barbed wire in them]

  127. Poland will be the last straw that broke the Semitic camel’s back (as opposed to the semitic one) with obfuscation provided for by the Vlad … what strange bed fellows they make!

  128. @Digital Samizdat

    If owned–excuse me, leased–the WTC yourself before 9/11, controlling security there would be very easy

    Doing it without anyone in the offices noticing all the strange work, dust/dirt/shavings left behind from drilling and cutting, etc. would not be so easy.  You’d have literally hundreds of people noticing that something funny was going on.

    Then you have the fact that the collapse began exactly where the fires from the aircraft impacts were burning the hottest, so your “theory” requires not just that the building was rigged, it was rigged with some extremely rugged demolition charges that would not “cook off” prematurely despite being in the middle of a fire.  The level of insulation required to do this would increase the bulk radically.

    Worst of all, unless the impact points could be precisely controlled, you’d have to rig every possible point of impact so you could start the collapse at the “right” place.  This is nonsense on stilts.

    You have to be a totally irrational chump to believe it.

  129. I can’t resist posting again this passage from the introduction of Simon Baron-Cohen’s book The Science of Evil: On Empathy and the Origins of Cruelty, published in 2011 by Basic Books, which I quote in my article “A Holocaust of Biblical Proportions” https://www.unz.com/article/a-holocaust-of-biblical-proportions/:

    “When I was seven years old, my father told me the Nazis had turned Jews into lampshades. Just one of those comments that you hear once, and the thought never goes away. To a child’s mind (even to an adult’s) these two types of things just don’t belong together. He also told me the Nazis turned Jews into bars of soap. It sounds so unbelievable, yet it is actually true. I knew our family was Jewish, so this image of turning people into objects felt a bit close to home. My father also told me about one of his former girlfriends, Ruth Goldblatt, whose mother had survived a concentration camp. He had been introduced to the mother and was shocked to discover that her hands were reversed. Nazi scientists had severed Mrs. Goldblatt’s hands, switched them around, and sewn them on again so that if she put her hands out palms down, her thumbs were on the outside and her little fingers were on the inside. Just one of the many ‘experiments’ they had conducted. I realized there was a paradox at the heart of human nature—people could objectify others—that my young mind was not yet ready to figure out. […] Today, almost half a century after my father’s revelations to me about the extremes of human behavior, my mind is still exercised by the same, single question: How can we understand human cruelty?”

    • Thanks: Saggy
    • LOL: Tusk
    • Replies: @awry
  130. Trinity says:

    It wasn’t that long ago that the ridiculous lies about psychotic Nazis using the skin of Jews to make into lamp shades was even printed in so-called “non-fiction” books like William Shirer’s, “The Rise And Fall Of The Third Reich.” And lest we forget the bars of soap and shrunken head script. And then we have the lady who claimed to swallow her diamonds to keep the Nazis from taking them and she would wash them off after defecating each day. And who could forget the “holocaust victim” that was caught lying about some fairy tale he manufactured in his head on the Oprah show ( or some other Jew produced and directed show), and his response after being caught lying was, “but it was real in my mind.”

    ROTFLMAO and smdh at the same time. And lets just pretend for a minute that everything that some of these people claim is the gospel truth. One could then easily say that Jews were no different than any other POWs who have suffered through the ages. One could also make the argument that since the Jewish led Bolsheviks wished to conquer all of Europe and had their sights on Germany as the ultimate prize, that Germans and Hitler feared another type of Holodomor scenario happening in Germany that the Germans were only defending themselves from a hostile enemy who wished upon them the same harm that they wrought upon the Ukrainian population in the Holodomor. So I guess Germany was supposed to willingly go along with having their nation boycotted by Jews, have Jewish authors write books about how “Germany Must Perish,” and willingly allow Bolshevik Jews to either place them in gulags to be tortured or starved to death in a manufactured famine like the Holodomor. smdh at the stupidity.

  131. anarchyst says:

    /Doing it without anyone in the offices noticing all the strange work, dust/dirt/shavings left behind from drilling and cutting, etc. would not be so easy. You’d have literally hundreds of people noticing that something funny was going on./

    Not true…

    Large buildings ALWAYS have some type of renovation, remodeling or maintenance work being performed.

    There are always maintenance and other non-resident personnel in these buildings.

    Large office buildings are the EASIEST buildings to wire for demolitions without being noticed.

    Electrical, telephone, elevator, data and utility rooms are off-limits to building occupants but are easily accessible to maintenance personnel, making it easy for demolition crews to “wire up”.

    Wiring up the WTC buildings for demolitions is a no-brainer…

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  132. Ron Unz says:
    @surly

    An interesting new fad has emerged, particularly with “ex-” revisionists, who admit that all the claims of the Holocaust are lies except the ones made specifically about Auschwitz. Some prominent figures in this sphere today include big names like David Irving and David Cole.

    The author has notified me that he feels he mischaracterized the positions of David Irving and David Cole, and therefore asked that the passage be removed.

    To be fair, it’s not just right-wing millennials who play this game. When a guy like Ron Unz wants to trumpet how “based” his website is, he pens a 17,600-word Holocaust-denial rant that employs the only technique more annoying than Fuentes’ smirking “satire.” And that’s the “Oh, but I’m only asking questions” facade.

    Meanwhile, I’d say that very silly David Cole fellow seems to have himself rather mischaracterized my own quite lengthy 2018 analysis of the same topic. Those so interested can take a look at my “Holocaust-denial rant” and decide for themselves:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-holocaust-denial/

    • Agree: kikl
  133. @Mr. Rational

    Agreed. Furthermore, none of this matters. It only serves to distract from the question of who did it. Ron Unz has repeatedly stated this.

    The fact is, something big happened that benefitted somebody and made no sense for anybody else.

    And Made No Sense For Anybody Else.

    It didn’t even make sense for the supposed perpetrators to do it! It brought down the American fires from heaven upon them! It destroyed them and broke apart whatever semblance of nations they had! Does anybody really think they brought this down upon themselves? Nonsense.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    , @Dave Pinsen
  134. @HorriblyDepressed

    winterwatch.net : “World Trade Center’s infamous 91st. floor Israeli ‘art student’ project ” By Russ Winter :
    “In the period leading up to 9/11 a group of Israelis (non-US Citizens) managed to obtain temporary construction passes tp perform work on the 91st floor of Larry Silvertein’s leased WTC1.These passes gave them access to the entire WTC complex . The pretense was an art project known as the B-Thing and the group was called Gelatin …The building was powered down the weekend before 9/11.”
    They love to mock us : “Gelignite ,also known as blasting GELATIN …is an explosive material..”
    Why were these art students called the GELATIN group ?

    • Replies: @Just another serf
  135. Indeed, this article presents an example of the effects of propaganda as prescribed by the Zionist interests that seem to have no bounds on virtually all subjects of geo-political/ historical importance. Thankfully, these revisionists- GOOD HISTORIANS – those dedicated to the facts and the truthful portrayal of history are anathema to the Zio/ Israeli goals.

    It is far more pause for concern to read the many comments to this article that correctly speak of true revisionist history that has seen these GOOD HISTORIANS vilified and marginalized by having their quality research and works removed from availability to the growing number of intelligent humans that seek accuracy of the biggest historical hyperbole in modern history.

    To this end, might I suggest( if he has not already done so) that Ron Unz add these important referenced books to his article/ book archive. Ron’s archive( if one takes the time to review it briefly) continues to be one of the very few and greatly important archives of books and articles that have suffered at the hands of this Zio-censorship.The books mentioned deserve an honored place along side so many others who similarly suffered.

    As the article implicitly suggests, there may soon be a very new and far more accurate answer to the sage old joke, again so applicable to this topic:” What’s the difference between a cow and the Holocaust?”

    The correct ( revisionist) answer will finally expose Zionist influence for what it is…..

  136. bjondo says:

    The hollowfraud is hollow and a fraud.

    Real: The Gaza Death Prison and the West Bank zoo of Jew psychos.

    5ds

  137. “How we came face-to-face with the ‘Hyena of Auschwitz’: Two Holocaust survivors reveal how notorious SS officer, 22, taunted them with food and tried to get her dog to ‘rip them apart’”

    “‘I was sitting on the floor by the bunk and this woman walked in with her dog, the guard. She got this big apple she was eating and she’d eaten it down to a fairly juicy core.

    ‘She took the core and put it on the floor and put the dog next to it to guard it, gave it instructions to guard the thing, unleashed it and runs off.

    ‘It had the apple core between it’s front legs and it was snarling and growling and so on, but I knew very well I couldn’t make a grab for the apple core because that would be the end of me, it would literally tear me apart. ‘Then she came back and saw nothing had happened and thought this was amusing and so ground the apple core into the floor with her boots, so there was nothing left their to even scrape up.

    ‘Many years later I recognized who she was – she was notorious’.

    Anita, now 90, was sent to Auschwitz in Nazi-occupied Poland, in 1943, where she survived by playing cello for the camp’s Women’s Orchestra, until she was moved to Belsen in 1944.

    She survived two death camps by playing cello in the orchestra. Riiiight. Thousands of honorable German officers were murdered because of the lies of this pond scum and her chosenite tribe. But then again, Genocide is as Jewish as the Talmud.

    • Replies: @Trinity
    , @Genrick Yagoda
  138. Considering many Jews won’t give up until they actually have their nonsense Talmudic “800 gentile slaves per Jew” crapola for real (which would require 16 BILLION people on Earth!)…and even that is a stretch…I’d say it no longer matters worrying about the walking contradictions (gee should I put the ((( ))) around walking contradictions?) because many Jews will absolutely positively never be satisfied no matter how much you kiss their a$$es or hooked nose or whatever. Because these Jews are only doing it to themselves. Keep it up, dumba$$es…pretty soon being called “anti-semitic” will be a badge of honor and YOU HAVE ONLY YOURSELVES TO BLAME!

    Memo to Christian Zionists who think when the anti-Christ (aka the Jewish Messiah) comes they’ll be “raptured”–have fun being their gentile slaves when you renege on Christ as Savior…Me? I’d rather they Noahide me (that is, behead me for my belief on Christ).

  139. Agent76 says:
    @HorriblyDepressed

    Everyone needs to know these facts!

    2.3 TRillion Dollars Missing from DOD Day before 9/11/ 2001

    SEPTEMBER 10, 2001 Defense Business Practices

    Secretary Rumsfeld and other officials talked with reporters about the need to refine the Defense Department’s business practices. An opening ceremony will kick off Acquisition and Logistics Excellence Week. They answered questions from members of the media

    http://www.c-span.org/video/?165947-1/defense-business-practices

    Sep 5, 2016 9/11 Suspects: Rudy Giuliani

    Mayor Giuliani oversaw the illegal destruction of the 9/11 crime scene and is criminally liable for the deaths of hundreds of emergency workers for not passing on prior warnings about the collapses of the Twin Towers.

    September 07, 2016 September 11, 2001: The 15th Anniversary of the Crime and Cover-up of the Century “What Really Happened”?

    New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani to be trucked away and shipped to China – an order that constitutes disturbing a crime scene – which is a federal crime.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/september-11-2001-the-15th-anniversary-of-the-crime-and-cover-up-of-the-century/5544414

  140. Trinity says:
    @Ship Track

    I will say that these fraudsters have quite the imagination and a lot of them would make some great fiction writers or script writers for Hollywood movies. Oh, wait. Never mind.

  141. Sidney says:
    @Leon

    The persecution and trial of Ernst Zundel is very interesting from a few perspectives. I live in Ontario Canada and followed those trials(1985 and 1988) closely. Ernst Zundel’s trial Lawyer Doug Christi(RIP Doug), had a field day eviscerating one pro holocaust witness after another. Naturally the Crown Prosecution had made it clear Zundel was guilty no matter what evidence surfaced. Then during the 1988 trial , Zundel, at his own expense, sent American gas execution expert Fred Leuchter to investigate the claimed gas death chambers at Auschwitz. Mr. Leuchter expected the investigation would confirm the standard story. He couldn’t have been more wrong. His final report made it clear that no gassings could have occurred in those chambers for many reasons. The antagonism by the local Zionist-Jewish crowd was criminal, including attempted murder by blowing his house up(he wasn’t home at the time). If i’m not mistaken, this man spent two years in solitary confinement in Ontario jails. Such is the power of that lobby. The rest of his story most people know. How he moved to the states and was persecuted there and later spent five years in a German jail on more trumped up charges.

    • Replies: @Leon
    , @eah
  142. Wally says:
    @Curmudgeon

    Another dagger:

    ‘death marches’ debunked / Allies confirmed no murders: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8049
    exc:

    Allies assured themselves that Germany was not murdering inmates.

    Germans publicly denied murdering inmates and the Allies confirmed that they safely evacuated them ahead of the Russians, per requests by the U. S. State Department.

    After careful study the Allies confirmed the Germans were not murdering the inmates, and so bombing of Birkenau and other camps was never ordered.

  143. @Ship Track

    That’s nothing. Apparently, Mengele had never seen a Jewish ballerina before. And he was so entranced by this miraculous creature that he not only saved her from the gas, but her sister, too!

    On top of that, Edith survived by hiding in a pile of Typhus laden corpses to escape from the mean, wicked Nazis.

    If you look carefully, there is not one single “survivor” whose story is not filled with gut busters. Including the holocaust Pope himself, Elie the Weasel.

    https://www.cnn.com/2015/01/25/world/auschwitz-dancing-mengele/index.html

    • Replies: @Ship Track
  144. @9/11 Inside job

    The “art students” focused on creating the pyrotechnics for the “plane” crashes. The real destructive forces are quite nicely described by Heinz Poomer.

    http://911history.de/aaannxyz_ch02_en.html

    The pools of formerly liquified granite are a bit hard to deny. Although to his credit, Silverstein hired a couple of geologists to make a little promotional video claiming these were glacial plunge pools or some other chutzpahadic nonsense.

    • Agree: Alfred, 9/11 Inside job
  145. I’m looking forward to the real Holocaust story being told: all the Germans returning from the Ostderlung (sp?) who died from starvation and Red Army sniping. Ten million or more Germans reduced to 5 million. Then there are the 1-2 million Eisenhower had killed when the Morgenthau plan was in full effect. Half POW’s and half were military age civilians.

    The fact that the Soviets locked down their archives and Putin keeps them shut speaks volumes.
    A great deal of effort has been expended keeping the truth of the 20th century hidden: Bolshevik genocides of Russian Christians, Red Army genocides of Poles and Germans, and American genocides of Germans.

    When the real truth of the 20th century is told we will learn who the real butchers were: Communists, Jews and their lackeys.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  146. Truth3 says:
    @TKK

    My reply to (((TKK))) The Kinky Kike…

    Get lost. And stop stealing Palestinian land.

  147. @Dave Pinsen

    You are a liar and shill.
    How’s the weather in Tel Aviv, Shlomo?

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
  148. @Genrick Yagoda

    They are gas lighting us, it is a war of demoralization. So they lord it over us. They love ruining peoples lives merely for repeating something they themselves have written.

    I liked this blurb:

    “He pointed to my mom to go to the left, and I followed my mom,” Eger says. “And Dr. Mengele grabbed me — I never forget that eye contact– and he said ‘You’re going to see you mother soon, she’s just going to take a shower.’ ”
    It was the last time Eger saw her parents.
    They died in the gas chambers of Auschwitz along with more than a million other Jews.

    It just like with their climate change/disruption/catastrophe/reconstruction/destruction. They should just make up their kikey minds and tell us what it is that they demand we “know”. Was it 6 million? 10 million? 3 million? or just plain 6 gorillian?

    This is psychological torture. Mental abuse.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  149. Wally says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    – Quite indicative of his inability to refute Revisionist research, Karlin censors responses to his impossible “holocaust” propaganda.
    – Karlin claims ‘millions’ while he ignores the fact that the absurdly alleged gas chambers were scientifically impossible AND he blatantly ignores the fact that the alleged human remains for his alleged ‘millions’ are claimed to exist in immense mass graves in precisely known & marked locations. Yet those alleged humongous remains simply do not exist.
    – Karlin pretends to belief in census sources which are frankly laughable, see:
    Issues with post-WWII Jewish census figures: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12735
    more here: https://codoh.com/search/?sorting=relevance&q=census
    – Karlin conveniently ignores the fact that Jews traditionally avoid being counted, see: https://www.unz.com/article/one-third-of-american-workers-pay-is-being-stolen-heres-how/ comment #9, scroll down
    – We see no proof of the mentioned Otto Pohl’s claims, none.
    – And notice Dave Pinsen’s desperation: “It’s too bad that Eric Striker allows his dislike of Jews to get the best of him.”

    If something cannot happen as alleged, then it did not happen as alleged. Revisionists are just the messengers, the absurd impossibility of the laughable ‘holocaust’ storyline is the message.

  150. Ron Unz says:
    @steinbergfeldwitzcohen

    I’m looking forward to the real Holocaust story being told: all the Germans returning from the Ostderlung (sp?) who died from starvation and Red Army sniping. Ten million or more Germans reduced to 5 million. Then there are the 1-2 million Eisenhower had killed when the Morgenthau plan was in full effect. Half POW’s and half were military age civilians.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-post-war-france-and-post-war-germany/

    • Replies: @Vaterland
  151. @anarchyst

    So you’re postulating a conspiracy involving practically all of the maintenance personnel, because anyone not in on the plot would be in position to notice and rat the scheme out.

    How come NONE of these hundreds of required co-conspirators have come forward yet, not even a single deathbed confession from someone with nothing left to lose?

    Nonsense on stilts.  Chump.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    , @Lol just lol
  152. JamesD says:
    @melpol

    Polish mobs beat jews in reprisal for the jewish cooperation in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Poles, shipped off to Siberia.

    • Replies: @melpol
  153. @Buzz Mohawk

    It didn’t even make sense for the supposed perpetrators to do it! It brought down the American fires from heaven upon them!

    Martyrdom is a virtue in Islam.  You’re assuming that they’re like us; they’re not.

    • Replies: @ploni almoni
  154. Leon says:
    @Sidney

    Thanks.

    I was watching the interview with him “Germany Get off your knees” and was surprised to learn that no matter what Jews tried to do to him they could not shut his truth down. They finally got their revenge shortly after 9/11 and kidnapped him using the Bethlehem Doctrine and The Patriot Act as their tools. They tortured him with extraordinary rendition and have shut down much of his work on the internet.

    I wish we could get a museum started for him and other heroic Revisionist but people have been turned into apathetic zombies who no longer believe there is a difference between good and evil.

  155. anarchyst says:
    @Mr. Rational

    Mr. Rational–who do you work for? IDF Unit 8200 or another jew-run misinformation outfit…

    Your name-calling exposes you as a small-minded person who cannot think for himself. GROW UP!

    Ever hear of compartmentalization? Government agencies and others (mossad, CIA) use it all the time to conduct large-scale covert operations, with individuals having only a small part of the picture while only those at the top have the complete picture to know what is going on.

    Electricians do electrical work–HVAC people do HVAC work–plumbers do plumbing work. Very rarely do the trades overlap and infringe on each others trade.

    It’s the easiest thing in the world to compartmentalize a covert operation, especially in a large building with maintenance people running around.

    Common sense dictates that…

    The mossad and CIA have it down to an art-as well as a science.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  156. @Wally

    How about posting the comment permalink, instead of making everyone page through?  I’m using a FF-derived browser and I can’t ^F on the comment numbers (and other things too).

  157. melpol says:
    @JamesD

    Polish mobs were always beating Jews. They beat them before and after the Nazi occupation. Before the Soviets sent Poles to Siberia Jews were being beaten. Upon their return from the death camps Jews got beatings. Poles have been beating Jews for centuries. Poland was the first to offer Jews emancipation, that was long before Jews were being beaten by Polish mobs.

    • Replies: @Alfred
    , @anon
  158. @Wally

    OK, Mr. Wallenstein.

    That is IF you can work your way through the protests by the Iranian people against their oppressive government.

    Good to know you’re a hasbara troll, as opposed to the run of the mill nutjob I had previously pegged you as.

    ***

    … censors responses to his impossible “holocaust” propaganda.

    Just checked your recent comment history – half of it is you spamming your forum (as usual), the other half is shilling for regime change in Iran. So no value lost.

    … conveniently ignores the fact that Jews traditionally avoid being counted

    Did the Poles make up 3.1M Jews (by religion) in their 1931 Census?

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Haxo Angmark
  159. awry says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    Nazi scientists had severed Mrs. Goldblatt’s hands, switched them around, and sewn them on again so that if she put her hands out palms down, her thumbs were on the outside and her little fingers were on the inside

    It should require some chutzpah to tell tales like the above with a serious face. Either Simon Baron-Cohen is a shameless, congenital liar (absolutely possible and would confirm some anti-semitic stereotypes) or he is believing all this. If the latter is true then it shows that the Holocaust narrative has became a religion. You simply don’t question it, just as a Christian is supposed to believe in the virgin birth and resurrection of Jesus Christ, or that the Eucharist is His body. Many Holocaust stories are in that league too.

  160. @BDS Always

    I say don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater.

    The Shoah Narrative was greatly exaggerated, not least because Jews had near-monopoly of media and turned Shoah into a sacred cow.

    But 2 – 3 million Jews did die in WWII, and many were at hands of eliminationist Germans.

  161. @Mr. Rational

    Doing it without anyone in the offices noticing all the strange work, dust/dirt/shavings left behind from drilling and cutting, etc. would not be so easy. You’d have literally hundreds of people noticing that something funny was going on.

    Actually, it would have been quite easy. All that Larry Silverstein (the lessee of the WTC buildings) had to do was tell people that he was having all the asbestos removed:

    https://wikispooks.com/wiki/9-11/Israel_did_it#Four_key_Zionist_Network_assets

    Then you have the fact that the collapse began exactly where the fires from the aircraft impacts were burning the hottest …

    Except in the case of WTC building 7, which was never struck by a plane, yet imploded in the exact same manner as buildings 1 and 2:

    In fact, Silverstein himself later even gave an interview where he admitted on camera that building 7 had to be ‘pulled’ — industry jargon for controlled demolition:

    Of course, in keeping with the official government narrative, he has to claim that the decision was made after the building caught on fire … which kind of makes you wonder where he found demolition experts willing to go into a towering inferno carrying industrial-grade explosives!

    Worst of all, unless the impact points could be precisely controlled, you’d have to rig every possible point of impact so you could start the collapse at the “right” place. This is nonsense on stilts.

    Then I guess all those stories I was raised with from WW2 about Kamikaze pilots crashing their planes into the decks of ships must also have been “nonsense on stilts.”

    • Agree: lavoisier
    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  162. @HorriblyDepressed

    You can add anthropogenic climate change to the list of big lies.

  163. @Mr. Rational

    You are the one who is not like us, Mr Rational. You are in a class by yourself, one of the chosen ones. In Christianity just like Islam martyrdom is a virtue.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  164. @Just passing through

    Compare Auschwitz to the Roman Colosseum.

    The Romans knew how to build something that looked like it was designed to exterminate people on a massive scale. The Romans were also quite proud of it.

    How could the Germans take pride in Auschwitz as a building that was designed to kill people? If they were supposed to take pride in this building as a state of the art killing facility, then they were egregiously upstaged by the Romans.

    Take away Auschwitz as the best evidence of a place that was supposed to exterminate people on a massive scale, and where is the evidence for the Nazi’s final solution?

  165. Giwu-Ger says:

    I’ve got a new ludicrous anecdote fresh from the press.

    In an interview, Dotschy Reinhardt explains how his great-grandfather, Heinrich Pfisterer was seconds away from being gassed to death, literally, because “the gas was already streaming into the room when they opened the door to ask for musicians”.
    Thanks to him being able to play the violin, he was dragged out, clothed and immediately sent to amuse his tormentors at a “nazi-party”.

    It boggles the mind how casually one can lie and how journalists don’t bother to research basic facts. What about the venting procedure to get rid of the toxic fumes in order to be able to reopen the death chamber?

    source
    http://www.zdf.de slash dokumentation anuddaslash zdf-history slash sinti-und-roma-eine-deutsche-geschichte-100.html

    • LOL: Alfred
    • Replies: @Fox
  166. @awry

    https://www.unz.com/estriker/the-last-days-of-the-holocaust/#comment-3688313
    @Laurent Guyénot

    You don’t understand. These sort of whoppers are perfectly normal when it comes to “the holocaust”.

    The Jewish Daily Forward, a perfectly normal Jewish organization was responsible for publishing Yenkel Wiernik’s book, A Year In Treblinka. In this book, Yenkel tells us that not only were the Germans too stupid to build a gas chamber, and he himself had to build them for Sgt Shultz, but the Germans were so incompetent that even their trained fighting men let a naked flying Jewess leap over a 10 foot fence, disarmed and kill 2 of the SS finest before the Jewess was shot.

    Yenkel also tells us that Jews were inflammable, and that when you used Jewish women for kindling, entire Jew piles would burst into flame and burn on their own without the need for fuel.

    Yenkel further informs us that the Jews used to have Jew dragging competitions, to see which Jewish group could pile up the most stinky, rotten corpses and burn them for the wicked Nazis. And although he was a sedentary union organizer prior to being sent to a camp, at Treblinka Yenkel turned into a Jewish Superman, running back-to-back marathons every day while dragging Jew corpses behind him.

    You might think I am kidding about this, but every word I describe is contained in Yenkel’s book, which you can read below.

    So no, Simon Baron-Cohen is not unusual. What would be unusual is if they ever located a “survivor” who did not tell the most preposterous whoppers you’ve ever heard.

    http://www.zchor.org/treblink/wiernik.htm

  167. JamesD says:

    The holohoax is kept around for a “don’t blame the victim” defense. As in, the atrocities perpetrated by jews in Ukraine, Hungary, Lithuania, Poland, Bavaria, and Spain.

  168. @Commentator Mike

    It may not have changed my mind, but it does educate me about things I did not know and it helps me keep up with the progress being made in exposing the grand deceit.

  169. @Wally

    Poor Wally, he cares less about the truth than about **winning.** I’ve answered his cherry-picked quotes before but I will take the time to do so again. From Night (in my hard-back copy it’s pages 87-88):

    The camp had become a hive. People ran about, shouting at one another. In all the blocks, preparations for the journey were going on. I had forgotten about my bad foot. A doctor came into the room and announced:
    “Tomorrow, immediately after nightfall, the camp will set out. Block after block. Patients will stay in the infirmary. They will not be evacuated.”
    This news made us think. Were the SS going to leave hundreds of prisoners to strut about in the hospital blocks, waiting for their liberators? Were they going to let the Jews hear the twelfth stroke sound? Obviously not.
    “All the invalids will be summarily killed,” said the faceless one. “And sent to the crematory in a final batch.”
    “The camp is certain to be mined,” said another. “The moment the evacuation’s over, it’ll blow up.”
    As for me, I was not thinking about death, but I did not want to be separated from my father. We had already suffered so much, borne so much together; this was not the time to be separated.
    I ran outside to look for him. The snow was thick, and the windows of the blocks were veiled with frost. One shoe in my hand, because it would not go onto my right foot, I ran on, feeling neither pain nor cold. [A good example of Elie’s ‘heroic’ fiction! -cy]
    “What shall we do?”
    My father did not answer.
    “What shall we do, father?”
    He was lost in thought. The choice was in our hands. For once we could decide our fate for ourselves. We could both stay in the hospital, where I could, thanks to my doctor, get him entered as a patient or a nurse. Or else we could follow the others.
    “Well, what shall we do, father?”
    He was silent.
    “Let’s be evacuated with the others,” I said to him.
    He did not answer. He looked at my foot.
    “Do you think you can walk?”
    “Yes, I think so.”
    “Let’s hope that we shan’t regret it, Eliezer.”

    I learned after the war the fate of those who had stayed behind in the hospital. They were quite simply liberated by the Russians two days after the evacuation.

    I added the bolding for emphasis. The Russians, as he calls them, did not arrive until 10 days later, not two! Notice that Wiesel exhibits a lot of freedom in both leaving the hospital and going back to his barrack after a 3-day absence with no trouble or questions, which I don’t think could have been the case … but we must remember that this is fiction. Holocaust fiction, of which we have tons in our culture. Primo Levi is another example of it. So I conclude that Wally, et al, are trying to prove facts about the camps from fictional accounts!! Truly pathetic. And unnecessary too.

    • Replies: @Wally
  170. Wally says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    So now you want to deny that the Iranian people protest against their government. LOL
    Right, me, a ‘hasbarist’ who refutes the impossible “holocaust”. LOL
    I submit that YOU are projecting and it is you who is the hasbarist.
    – Now back to the topic of this thread:

    [MORE]

    – I will debate you one on one anywhere, any time on the fake “holocaust”.
    – You dodged my points about censuses.
    – You cannot show us the claimed human remains.
    You cannot even tell us how & where your alleged ‘millions’ were supposedly murdered.
    – BTW, your desperate 1931 is not relevant to the post war claims.
    – You are also dodging the fact that Jews went where Jews are.
    i.e.:
    WJC’s Stephen Wise said 1,250,000 – 1,500,000 Polish Jews homeless in Europe, outside of Poland, & alive after WWII: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10191
    Influx of 3,000,000 JEWS; Tells Newspaper Executives in Germany That Refugees Have Created Grave Problem: https://forum.codoh.com/download/file.php?id=2160
    https://archive.is/Jw6EM
    – After the war, many Jews stayed in Europe and many others scattered throughout the world, settling in nearly sixty countries. So it was that in the late 1990s the teams put in charge by Steven Spielberg of gathering survivors’ testimonies had to go to nearly sixty different countries to record the said testimonies on video
    Jews Transited through Treblinka, By Panagiotis Heliotis : https://codoh.com/library/document/6649/?lang=en
    Jews evacuated to USSR during war
    https://archive.is/jA9iI
    more Jews evacuated to USSR during war
    https://www.jta.org/1944/02/23/archive/german-lauds-russia-for-joining-intergovernmental-committee-for-refugees
    exc.:
    “Since the outbreak of the war hundreds of thousands of Jews from Poland, Rumania and the Baltic countries have been given shelter in the U.S.S.R., and many of them were permitted to pass through Russia en route to the United States and to Palestine.”
    Scholar J. Graf on the illogical canard: ‘Where did Jews go then?’ / & more’: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8272

  171. @Saggy

    “Holocaust Denial” is not merely contra-factual. It

    is a vicious smear on the resolutely anti-Jewish Third Reich,

    and thus should be trounced at every opportunity.

  172. @Anatoly Karlin

    Wally and his pomo kiddies are run of the mill hasbaras:

    Wally himself is a Zion-stooge Trumpaholic, while

    the Holocaust denalist claptrap merely enables the Jews

    to whine: “it’s annuduh holocaust!” And then

    inflict more Holocaustianity.

  173. Wally says:
    @Carolyn Yeager

    Yawn. Trashy, desperate ad hominem by someone who should know better.

    – “Fictional accounts” which are verified by facts. LOL
    – Wiesel and Levi’s cited accounts are slips on their part, there are many, many cited by “holocaust” Revisionist scholars. And indeed Wiesel and Levi’s other bits are pure fiction. They slipped up and let some truth into their otherwise bogus little worlds. So what?
    – Of course you dodged my points and references such as:
    – Scholar Friedrich Paul Berg , who among many things said:

    [MORE]

    “The fact that hundreds of thousands of Jews preferred the company of Nazis to Soviet “liberation” is indeed supported by “survivor’s” accounts including the Schindler List story. One interesting supporting story is that of the famous Primo Levi who achieved world notoriety for his classic “Survival in Auschwitz.”
    In the Collier Books version paperback version page 140 he explains why he CHOSE to stay in Auschwitz rather than go west with supposedly the greatest murderers of Jews in the history of the universe. “It was not a question of reasoning: I would probably also have followed the instinct of the flock if I had not felt so weak; fear is supremely contagious, and its immediate reaction is to make one try to run away.” The “fear” in this case is clearly fear of the Russians.”

    and:
    death marches’ debunked / Allies confirmed no murders: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8049

    – Yes I care about being right. If you call it “winning”, then please do so.

    • Replies: @BDS Forever
  174. @Wally

    Friedrich Berg was not a scholar on the subject of Elie Wiesel. His expertise was in technical gassing issues. Like sooo many others, he liked utilizing Wiesel for various arguments because Wiesel was sooo famous. Everyone talks about Elie Wiesel, even YOU. lol

    • LOL: Wally
    • Replies: @Wally
  175. @Leon

    I Think, this is an excellent idea and we must do that. Kind regards abm

  176. @Alfred

    It’s also what the Germans did to millions of Soviet POWs. If Hitler wanted to mass murder jews he would have simply erected a POW camp for them which was nothing more than some wire and a couple towers around a field, though I question even this because the entire narrative of the Eastern Front is ridden with fundamental lies

  177. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @lavoisier

    The footprint of each tower was about an acre. The load bearing structure was the external frame. How many shaped charges drilled into that frame would have been required to take down that building, hundreds? How would you place them (i.e., drilling them into the frame) with no one noticing?

    Silverstein Properties won the lease for the site from the Port Authority of NY and NJ in April of 2001. You think Silverstein secretly placed hundreds of shaped charges in the external frames of the towers between then and September to destroy the site they had just paid $3.25 billion to lease for 99 years? And no one noticed?

    • Replies: @eah
    , @Alfred
    , @Sam J.
    , @Sam J.
  178. anon[248] • Disclaimer says:
    @alex in San Jose AKA Digital Detroit

    “Right now we have the beginning of one in the US with kids being put in camps, separated from their parents.”
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahaaa good one man!

    Wait…oh sh*t he’s serious!! BAAAAAA-HAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAaaaaaaaaa

  179. annamaria says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    It is too bad that the ADL thugs injure and even kill people for honest research in WWII. It is the Jews fault that the research in Jewish casualties during WWII is a tabu on the orders of the Lobby and fanatical Jewish haters of goyim. You have been poisoning your young with lies while using the profiteering schema of holobiz, and you (and the likes) obviously intend to continue the shameful tradition of lying and profiteering.

    The Russian tragedy and the ongoing mass slaughter in the name of Eretz Israel in the Middle East teach you nothing.

  180. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @eah

    Given that I’m responding to you here, and I’ve left other comments in this thread, my comment is hardly “one-and-done”. The Karlin post I linked to includes logical arguments supporting the facts acknowledged by nearly all historians, including censuses of Jews conducted before and after the war. There were millions fewer Jews after the war, and most of those millions don’t show up anywhere else after.

    It’s pretty clear that Striker isn’t a fan of Jews. I didn’t use the term “anti-Semite” to avoid the hairsplitting you engage in here.

    • Replies: @eah
  181. eah says:
    @Sidney

    Lawyer Doug Christi(RIP Doug), had a field day eviscerating one pro holocaust witness after another.

    Just to clarify: it was Doug Christie, a very courageous man (not just re Zündel, but in many other matters concerning free speech), and he did a fantastic job representing Zündel — but he was not a revisionist, and he had a LOT of very capable help during the trials — Zündel had a whole team of revisionists helping with his defense, most prominent among them Arthur Butz and Robert Faurisson (it was Faurisson’s idea to send Leuchter to Auschwitz) — every evening they helped Christie prepare for court the next day — as some may know, due to his humiliation under cross-examination during the first Zündel trial, Raul Hilberg refused to appear for the prosecution in the second.

    Naturally the Crown Prosecution had made it clear Zundel was guilty no matter what evidence surfaced.

    Yes, no court will participate in significantly damaging the conventional ‘Holocaust’ narrative — Irving v Lipstadt is another example.

    Zündel’s treatment by Canada and the US was disgraceful (from the Germans you expect nothing better) — there is a video available of his release from a German prison — Ursula Haverbeck, who is 91 y/o and today herself imprisoned, was there to greet him.

    • Replies: @Adûnâi
  182. HorstG says:

    The media coverage of the topic is off the charts here in Germany. It took off in 2019, climax was the Halle Nazi terror attack. The guy managed to make an open bolt machine pistol, but didn’t manage to get inside the synagogue. Allegedly he shot some random people, but no Jew was hurt. So far the narrative. Endless coverage followed, seamless to the anniversary now. People are sick of the eternal guilt game, and the endless ring kissing of their representatives. My impression is, the Jews are set up again. Same game as in the 30s. It will be ugly, when the financial crisis ruins people, when there is more tribulation concerning Israel, and the revisionism kicks in.

  183. BDS Forever says: • Website
    @Wally

    This gentleman also slipped up on his accounts of being in Auschwitz and then escaping.
    (We know that he is not the only one who slipped up and told a load Bollocks.)

    Man who claimed to have escaped Auschwitz admits he lied for years.

    Joseph Hirt said he fabricated story of being sent to camp and meeting Nazi doctor Josef Mengele to ‘keep memories alive’ about history of the Holocaust.

    A Pennsylvania man who claimed for years to have escaped from Auschwitz, met track and field star Jesse Owens and Nazi doctor Josef Mengele, confessed on Friday that he had fabricated the entire story.

    [MORE]

    “I am writing today to apologize publicly for harm caused to anyone because of my inserting myself into the descriptions of life in Auschwitz,” Joseph Hirt, 86, wrote in a letter sent to his local paper, LNP, this week. “I was not a prisoner there. I did not intend to lessen or overshadow the events which truly happened there by falsely claiming to have been personally involved.”

    “I was wrong. I ask forgiveness,” he added. “I determined at that moment to do everything in my power to prevent the loss of the truth about wartime life (and death) at Auschwitz.”

    For years, Hirt gave public speeches about his experiences in the second world war, including his Jewish family’s flight from Poland to Belgrade. But he also told people that he was arrested by the Nazis, sent to the concentration camp at Auschwitz, and met Mengele, the SS physician who tortured prisoners of the concentration camp. Hirt claimed to have escaped under an electric fence at the camp.

    He added an extraordinary prologue and epilogue to the story, saying that he saw Adolf Hitler turn his back on Jesse Owens at the 1936 Olympics in Berlin, and that he met Eleanor Roosevelt and Owens after his arrival in the United States.

    In his letter, Hirt said that he realized “it wasn’t about me”, and that he was motivated to lie by his fears that the history and horror of the camps would be forgotten. He said that he was shocked to find that Auschwitz, now a museum and memorial, had become a “clean and polished tourist destination” where visitors laughed and joked about “propaganda”.

    “Flagrant denial and ignorance of the truth made me determined to keep the memories alive,” Hirt said. “I used poor judgment and faulty reasoning, risking a sullying of the truth I was trying to share.”

    Hirt did not immediately reply to a request for an interview.

    Earlier this year, New York history teacher Andrew Reid became suspicious of Hirt’s story and wrote a refutation of many of Hirt’s points.

    The names of concentration camp victims and survivors are publicly available, and there is no record of Hirt at Auschwitz or elsewhere. Hirt admitted in his letter that he had tattooed the camp number of Auschwitz survivor Primo Levi, the acclaimed author and chemist, on his left forearm – “in no way an attempt to take on his identity, but in an effort to incorporate his symbol as a way of remembering him”.

    Reid also found that Hirt’s escape story did not fit with camp records, that Mengele did not arrive at the camp until after the alleged escape, and other lies, errors and far-fetched claims in Hirt’s account. He was a six-year-old Polish boy and extraordinarily unlikely to be anywhere near Hitler at the Olympics, for instance, and Owens’ biographer found the snub was likely a fabrication, possibly conflated with another black sprinter’s story.

    “I want to be clear – I am not a Holocaust denier,” Reid wrote in his own letter, noting that he got his first job from a concentration camp survivor. “It is partly in his memory and for the preservation of the truth of what millions of people endured that I have taken upon myself the task of exposing Mr Hirt’s shameful deception.”

    Hirt is NOT THE FIRST to fabricate or exaggerate a Holocaust story, worrying historians who fear these voices encourage people who deny the deaths of six million people. Herman Rosenblat, a Polish survivor, embellished his 1993 memoir and made up some parts entirely, including the love story at its heart. At the time, historian Ken Waltzer wrote in the New Republic that he was alarmed by how quickly people accepted the story.

    “This was not Holocaust education but miseducation,” he said. “This shows something about the broad unwillingness in our culture to confront the difficult knowledge of the Holocaust. All the more important then to have real memoirs that tell of real experience in the camps.”
    (Shameful behaviour in my book.)
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/24/holocaust-survivor-lied-joseph-hirt-auschwitz

  184. @FrogChris

    Hey FrogChris, I’m currently making my way through Hidden History! Indeed, it has been an excellent read so far. Just learned the Secret Elite motto: “absolutely disregard the screamers”. I got word of the book from the late James Bacque (author of Other Losses, which I’m also reading) during one of his interviews on Bonnie Faulkner’s Guns and Butter podcast.

  185. eah says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    … they had just paid $3.25 billion to lease for 99 years?

    Uhh, re money (and only that), he had big total insurance coverage in place, which later (rather famously, actually) paid him more than the insured amount (from some issuers) due to a “two occurrences” court ruling, i.e. each plane strike was deemed a separate insured event.

    But this 9/11 discussion is completely OT, and should not be continued.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
  186. Ahem says:
    @Ship Track

    Nobody died at Fukushima as a result of the aftermath of the record breaking earthquake/tsunami damaged nuclear reactor.

    Nobody.

    Nobody died.

    Absolutely no one died.

  187. Tusk says:
    @lavoisier

    Agree. I like Cole’s writing, I do differ on his perspective on the holocaust, but his response/messages to Ron seemed extremely aggressive and low IQ in form. Fair enough that you disagree with what someone is saying, but it seems to be in bad faith (not to mention ad hominem) to attack their mannerisms and way of communicating an argument. He was also fallicious in appealing to authority in acting like the “I’m not an expert” isn’t a cover and you need to be an expert to even present an argument. Overall it was an extremely dumb response.

  188. Theodore says:
    @Blankaerd

    I think I should have said that 500.000 – 3 million innocents directly or indirectly perished as a result of nazi policy.

    By “Nazi policy” you mean Britain and France’s declarations of war?

    By innocents one typically means non-military people who did not engage in any illegal activities within the context of war.

    Who determines what activity is illegal?

    Nobody really sees it that way, and it isn’t the case according to international law. If a soldier shoots an enemy soldier on a battlefield then he did not do anything illegal.

    So German men were conscripted (forcibly enlisted) to help the war effort by going on the front lines and getting shot, and as a result 3 million died.

    Jews were forcibly enlisted to help the war effort by going into concentration camps and doing labor, and as a result of this [along with a superstitious & pathological resistance to bathing in a minority of cases] a large number died of incurable disease, and many others from starvation due to lack of food.

    If a person dies of disease in a place, is whoever runs the place responsible for his/her death? Did they do something illegal?
    I remind you that Jews also perished in concentration camps that the British ran.

    Knowing exactly what proportion of the 500.000 – 3 million innocents were ‘murdered,’ ‘killed’ or ‘died’ as a result of nazi policy is an exercise in futility and ultimately totally irrelevant to the point.

    Maybe it’s irrelevant to your point, but it’s actually quite important when speaking in terms of “illegal” and “criminal” activities.

    The nazi’s did murder, kill and let people die just like all the other belligerents did.

    Sure, but there’s a difference between people dying of disease and starvation because there is insufficient food and supplies – as a result of a war that was forced upon them – and rounding up people solely for the purpose of killing them. It’s even different from rounding up people and just letting them die because you don’t care either way.

    In regards to people dying, there is homicide and there is merely people dying, such as via unplanned privation.

    In terms of homicide, there is murder, and also manslaughter. When it comes to manslaughter, there is constructive manslaughter by which someone dies, but the death is not intentional, however the entire death happened as a result of an unlawful act being taken place. There is also negligent manslaughter and it is criminal when there is an ability to prevent the death, but those who could prevent the death choose not to.

    It is quite a moral conundrum. What if there are 5,000 people, but only enough food for 1,000? What then? And who is the real killer if the food existed but some action by another was taken which resulted in the food no longer being transportable, and this action was done deliberately?

    • Replies: @Ship Track
    , @Blankaerd
  189. Trinity says:

    I remember hearing something about someone claiming they escaped from one of the camps and then lived with wolves. Sure enough, I did a search and some woman wrote a book about living with wolves after escaping one of the camps. Get this, they say the woman faked about being Jewish as well, that she was a goy. lolol. You mean a lowly goy was raking in some cash on the “holocaust” as well. smdh and lol. The title of the book was, “Surviving With Wolves.” I only skimmed through the article. I mean who wants to waste time on this nonsense, but I think I caught that this book was some sort of bestseller and they even made it into a movie. Tell me this is bullshit? Did this kind of fairy tale really work on the public enough for someone, or I guess in this case lots of people to take this woman seriously? Were the gullible goyim really this damn gullible to buy into this whopper? I can’t even see the average toddler being so simple minded enough to believe such a tale. Good Lord, these tales keep getting more ridiculous every time you listen, read, or hear about them. I see now why so many Jews started and ran the comic book industry. Most of these stories read like a Marvel or DC comic.

    • Replies: @Genrick Yagoda
  190. eah says: • Website
    @Dave Pinsen

    It’s pretty clear that Striker isn’t a fan of Jews.

    You forgot to add “not that there’s anything wrong with that”.

    I didn’t use the term “anti-Semite” to avoid the hairsplitting you engage in here.

    Oh wow, how noble of you — not to mention inventive: he dislikes Jews, but you, being the principled, non-hairsplitting type (I guess), generously didn’t explicitly call him an anti-Semite.

    Anyone who forms his opinion of the ‘Holocaust’ from e.g. Karlin’s article, effectively discounting the huge amount of revisionist scholarship (likely very little of which you have studied), should probably not be participating in the discussion here.

    I didn’t split any hairs.

    The problem with you is this: you’re not nearly as smart as you think you are.

    And since in the past you’ve made mention of the fact you comment using your real name (i.e. as if you deserve credit for that), I link to mine.

  191. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Julian of Norwich

    In my view, it remains unclear to what extent the reported huge decline in the Jewish population can be attributed to the effects of what had become a war of annihilation against Germany, and to what extent it was the result of a policy of deliberate annihilation augmented by annihilation by neglect.

    The extermination of the Jewish population in Europe is characterised as a uniquely horrific event. This claim may prevent us from fully understanding and appreciating the horrifically destructive effects of modern warfare, especially when this takes the form of total war.

    One way to clarify this is to consider Poland, which was of course invaded by Germany (and the Soviet Union) and suffered from total war. A conservative estimate of the number of Jews in Poland before the war is 3,000,000. A generous estimate of the number of them that survived the war is 800,000. So, roughly 73% of the Jewish population of Poland was annihilated.

    Now, if 73% of the non-Jewish population of Poland were annihilated also, then you might have a point. But that wasn’t the case. There were about 24 million ethnic Poles in Poland prior to the war, and about 3,000,000 of them were killed during the war, about 12% of the pre-war ethnic Polish population. If there weren’t a targeted genocide of Jews during the war, we would expect roughly 12% of Polish Jews to have been killed during the war, not 73% or more.

  192. Tusk says:
    @Blankaerd

    Only by order of Himmler from roughly July 1942 onwards

    The orthodox holocaust position is that the ‘final solution’ of gassing Jews didn’t begin until mid 1942. Why would Himmler concurrently order the mass extermination of Jews along with orders to keep them healthy and disease free? The logic makes no sense at all. Either he didn’t order them to keep the prisoners healthy (we have evidence of this) or he did order the gassing of Jews (we only have circumstantial, shaky evidence of this).

    • Replies: @Blankaerd
    , @Mark Gobell
  193. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @eah

    Did you read the Wikipedia page you linked to? Silverstein didn’t end up getting double the insured amount:

    The total potential payout, therefore, was capped at $4.577 billion for buildings 1, 2, 4, and 5.[32] An appraisal followed to determine the value of the insured loss.

    The total actual payout may have been less than that, and the page says elsewhere that Silverstein was required to continue making base rent payments of $102 million per year. Considering that One World Trade didn’t open to tenants until 2014, he may have paid over a billion dollars in base rent before then.

  194. Karel says:
    @Curmudgeon

    I have read somewhere that Eli Wiesel donated his tatoo to the museum in Auschwitz. This explain why the number could not have been found on his arm, while he was still alive. Shy and modest man as he was throughout his long and fruitful life, he wanted to keep his valuble donation anonymous.

  195. @anarchyst

    Your name-calling exposes you as a small-minded person who cannot think for himself.

    Yeah, about that….

    Mr. Rational–who do you work for? IDF Unit 8200 or another jew-run misinformation outfit…

    THAT is the best you can do?  Call me a foreign disinfo agent?  There is nothing more pathetic than rank hypocrisy in lieu of answering the goddamn question.

    Ever hear of compartmentalization?

    It’s been 18 years.  Everyone involved in your alleged plot had to have been able to put the pieces together by no later than dinnertime on September 12 (assuming they survived, which most would have).  Yet we have NOBODY coming forward to tell us how it was done and what their unwitting role was.

    IOW, it never happened.

  196. Mulegino1 says:

    The lurid “Tales of the Holocaust” are more akin to Grimm’s Fairy Tales or Tristram Shandy than to any events that could possibly have taken place in the real world of facts, logistic, statistics, common sense and plain physical reality.

    We have been told the ludicrous accounts of lampshades and Jewish bars of soap (not too many years ago some Rabbis gave some bars of soap a ritual Jewish burial. I kid you not). We had shrunken heads (allegedly of Polish p.o.w.’s but more resembling Papuan natives) presented into evidence as evidence of unique German evil. We had the Jews being thrown alive into ovens, Jews being killed by an electrocuted floor at Belzec, execution by tree felling, atomic bombs, babies being ripped into two by diabolical SS men, babies being thrown alive into burning pits, geysers of blood, etc. We had the miraculous fifteen minute mass gassings and ten minute cremations at Birkenau and a pedal driven brain bashing machine, along with a bone crushing machine (which turned out to be an ordinary mill).

    Dr. Mengele- in popular Holocaust lore- is an archetype for any SS doctor at any camp. He is like the devil at the witch trials whom the accused claimed danced with them at the Sabbath, or the ET’s who are described- only by “eyewitnesses” as abducting people . All of these phenomena have an otherworldly feel about them, and many of the testimonies- particularly those of the women involved- could very well be psycho-sexual in nature.

    From the testimony of the so called “survivors” Mengele was not only ubiquitous and superhuman- he was on “the ramp” making his selections 24/7 – but he must also have also exercised the preternatural power of bi-location, since he was at the same time performing “experiments”- which made no sense from any scientific or medical standpoint. The overwhelming likelihood, in my opinion, is that these “Mengeles” performed ordinary medical tests and procedures on patients who, understandably, were under considerable stress and whose attempts to blot out the unpleasant memories of the camps turned these all into “Mengele’s ghastly experiments.

  197. @Digital Samizdat

    Except in the case of WTC building 7, which was never struck by a plane, yet imploded in the exact same manner as buildings 1 and 2

    It was on fire too.  Different cause (hit by debris from one of the falling towers), same outcome.  Perhaps, in your zeal to find evidence of controlled demolition, you missed that little fact?

    [MORE]

    In fact, Silverstein himself later even gave an interview where he admitted on camera that building 7 had to be ‘pulled’

    My transcription:  “I remember getting a call from the, um, fire department commander telling me that they were not sure that they were going to be able to contain the fire.  I said, you know we’ve had such terrible loss of life, unintelligible the smartest thing to do is just pull it.”

    That obviously means “pull out of the building instead of trying to save it.”  It sure doesn’t mean “pull my finger”.

    Then I guess all those stories I was raised with from WW2 about Kamikaze pilots crashing their planes into the decks of ships must also have been “nonsense on stilts.”

    Are you implying that those ships were rigged with bombs by their own crews, and the kamikazes were only there for show?  Because that’s the parallel you just drew.

    I begin to see the rampant irrationality and confirmation bias which underlies near-psychotic cults like SJWism.  You are following the same pattern, just a different direction.

    • Replies: @ploni almoni
    , @Sam J.
  198. Sparrow says:

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/s1nPYDj7KBEQ/

    EUROPA: THE LAST BATTLE (2017) – FULL DOCUMENTARY HD

  199. anon[837] • Disclaimer says:

    Regardless of whether the Holohoax happened or not, people are increasingly going to wish that it did happen as this Zionist-run world becomes more and more unbearable.

    • Agree: Sam J.
  200. @ploni almoni

    You are in a class by yourself, one of the chosen ones.

    Name-calling again.  I am anything BUT a Jew.

  201. Sparrow says:

    David Cole in Auschwitz (Full Documentary) The Holohoax aka Shoah

    • Replies: @Wally
  202. Rich says:

    Obviously, the holocaust story is a lie because if it were true, there would be no need to have laws forbidding the study of it. It was simply a mass propaganda program used to break the German spirit, and it worked surprisingly well. It’s good to see so many who’ve been able to see through the disinformation campaign.

    • Agree: annamaria
  203. I met a Jewish holocaust survivor who as a young girl met Dr. Mengele in the camp. She claimed Mengele was a good man and credited him with saving her life.

    She spoke to groups about the concentration camps but she said she never believed a bad word about Mengele.

    I don’t remember much it was 40 years ago and it was random meeting but what she said about the doctor struck me as strange.

    I happened to see her obituary years ago in a local paper and recalled her because of some details that she mentioned to my friends and I. She talked and talked. I was young and dumb and just wanted to go my way.

  204. @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    The gas vans were originally claimed to have been used by the Soviets. Those stories were no more believable the ones against the Germans.

    • Replies: @Carolyn Yeager
  205. @Dave Pinsen

    Millions of Polish Jews, and others, decided to not call themselves Jews but ethnic poles. This happened in Poland and is happening now in (the) Ukraine. Mr Rational is an example. You yourself probably know many Jews who would flat out deny they are Jews. I do. The opposite movement is Marranos who after five hundred years of claiming to be Catholics suddenly find out they are Jews. By their fruits you will know them.

  206. @Mr. Rational

    Mr Rational is going bonkers and using circular reasoning, quoting Silverstein to prove Silverstein. The next step is solipsism and the next thing you know you’re Napoleon.

  207. Smith says:

    The holohoax is the founding myth of the modern world.

    Destroy it, and you destroy the modern world.

    And that’s a good thing!

    • Agree: Saggy, Kolya Krassotkin
    • Replies: @Hamlet's Ghost
    , @Anon
  208. PeterMX says:
    @Genrick Yagoda

    That is due to the Jewish owned and run mainstream media. They have kept it alive and Israel, Jewish organizations around the world and individuals continue to blackmail and extort governments, museums and individuals out of money and vauables (like art /paintings). By owning the mainstream media in much of the world, in addition to their influence in finance and governments, they can do this. They are also the most ethnocentric and best organized ethnic group in the world, with powerful Jewish organizatiosn in all the countries where more than just a few Jews live, organizations that have close contacts with the highest levels of government (like AIPAC, the ADL and many other Jewish organizatins in the US).

    But despite this, many people around the world now doubt the lies of the holocaust or say outright it never happened. This has only become the case in the last few years. It’s similar to Trump’s election. He has huge support from the American people, but the mainstream media and influential Jews in government have the abiity to harass and possibly carry out a coup against him, while the media blasts every day what a loathsome liar he is. But despite this, his popularity has even grown by some counts. I would think something has to break, that things can’t go on forever like this. Same for the holocaust.

    For at lewst the last 30 or 40 years, the leading researchers exposing the hoax have been revisionists, highly intelligent and talented people in their fields including historians, engineeers and scientists and with the help of the internet (where its freedom is now also under threat by Jewish power), their ideas and books became available to the public. But as can be seen by this fast growing website and other top websites like The Occidental Observer, Counter Currents and others, the best and most highly educated and intelligent people now oppose the ruling “elite”. And it’s very good that there are some decent Jews like Ron Unz, Gilad Atzmon (actually, no longer Jewish) and Pual Eisen that are for truth and justice too.

    • Replies: @Saggy
    , @Carolyn Yeager
  209. utu says:

    David Cole got it right:

    https://www.takimag.com/article/denial_is_dead_david_cole/#axzz5QkXj5Pd3

    “Except that one is, by the standards set by the deniers and the Deborah Lipstadts of the world. Because both “€œsides”€ purposely push the nonsense that Auschwitz is the totality of the Holocaust. The deniers do so because they want to deflect attention from the premeditated killing periods and programs for which the evidence is by and large incontrovertible. The Lipstadts do so because, well, they”€™ve backed themselves into a corner by putting Auschwitz, with its phony, postwar tourist-attraction “€œgas chamber”€ and its complete lack of documentary evidence supporting a killing program, front and center as the heart of the Holocaust. They”€™re in so deep at this point that they can”€™t back off.”

    • Troll: L.K
  210. Wally says:
    @Sparrow

    Also recommended from David Cole:

    Forty-Six Important Unanswered Questions Regarding the Nazi Gas Chambers
    By David Cole
    https://codoh.com/library/document/987/

  211. anon_581 says:

    Not sure if anyone mentioned this yet but apparently there was another Holodomor, this one in Kazakhstan from 1930-33, and an estimated 2 million were starved to death and of course what do you think the ethnicity was of the person in charge of Kazahkstan under the Soviet Union?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazakh_famine_of_1932%E2%80%9333

    The Kazakh famine of 1930–1933, known in Kazakhstan as the Goloshchekin genocide

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filipp_Goloshchyokin

    Early life and career

    Born 9 March [O.S. 26 February] 1876 in Nevel to a family of Jewish contractors

  212. Wally says:
    @Blankaerd

    – Where did you get your “500.000 – 3 million innocents” from?

    – How and where did they supposedly die?

    – Where can we see the human remains that are claimed to be in known locations.

    Thanks.

    • Replies: @Blankaerd
  213. Ron Unz says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    One way to clarify this is to consider Poland, which was of course invaded by Germany (and the Soviet Union) and suffered from total war. A conservative estimate of the number of Jews in Poland before the war is 3,000,000. A generous estimate of the number of them that survived the war is 800,000. So, roughly 73% of the Jewish population of Poland was annihilated.

    Well, my impression is that you’re just one of the many ignorant half-wits who hangs around my website for some reason, mostly spouting off about illegal immigrants and that sort of nonsense. Perhaps instead of having written 9,500(!!) comments totaling 440,000(!!!) words, you might want to occasionally read a book or something before you get into subjects you obviously don’t understand.

    The Holocaust is a highly complex and specialized topic, and I’d hardly rank myself a great expert since I’ve only read about a dozen of the major books. But I suspect that your entire knowledge is based upon Saturday Morning cartoons.

    Assuming you’re actually interested in the topic, a good starting point would be Arthur Butz’s seminal work from 40-odd years ago, conveniently here in HTML format. It’s only a couple of hundred thousand words, so it shouldn’t take you very long:

    https://www.unz.com/book/arthur_r_butz__the-hoax-of-the-twentieth-century/

    Since you raised the Jewish demographic question, Walter Sanning’s 1983 analysis is an excellent place to start:

    http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=29

    Or if all of that is just far too much material, my own 2018 article summarizes much of the subject and runs less than 18,000 words (though the comments totaled an astonishing 350,000 words more):

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-holocaust-denial/

    But since I have the impression you tend to Tweet quite a lot, maybe cartoons are much more your style, and you should get into a spirited cartoon-debate with the Green Frog people on Gab (since they’ve been banned from Twitter).

  214. @Trinity

    That’s Mischa DeFonseca, one of my favorites. To hear her tell her tale, as a 7 years old Mischa bested a full grown Nazi in a knife fight. She also scaled the Pyrenees by herself, and walked over 7,000 miles. By herself.

    The funniest part is that she actually received $22 million dollars for the rights for her story. When her publisher withheld this money, Mischa sued. So the publisher hired experts for their defense, and these experts wound up proving that Mischa’s story was pure fiction. (and we live in a world where it required experts to prove these nutty whoppers are fake??)

    So imagine that- If Mischa and her publisher were not involved in a lawsuit, Mischa’s story about living with friendly wolves would be required reading in schools, just like Anne Frank’s Diary.

    • Agree: Haxo Angmark
    • Thanks: Trinity
    • Replies: @Fox
  215. @Beefcake the Mighty

    I’m not so sure about that. These vans were actually developed by the Soviets, but they found them less useful than other methods of murder. Because they had some, is why they decided to accuse the Germans of having them. They were all found in Soviet territory.

    The Gas Vans by Ingrid Weckert, Chapter 2 — http://vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndwagon.html

  216. Saggy says: • Website
    @PeterMX

    . And it’s very good that there are some decent Jews like Ron Unz, Gilad Atzmon (actually, no longer Jewish) and Pual Eisen that are for truth and justice too.

    That’s three, out of 14 million. And Atzmon promotes the holohoax, so that’s two, but G. Menuhin brings us back to three.

    • LOL: PeterMX
    • Replies: @Wally
  217. @anarchyst

    Don’t forget that Auschwitz-Birkenau also had a swimming pool.

  218. @Dave Pinsen

    Unless the company in charge of security is in on it. As far as I remember from the numerous documentaries I saw on 9/11, it was an Israeli company that was in charge of security in the WTC buildings. There were reports of heavy work going on by some of the office workers there prior to the attack.

  219. @Karel

    Wow, what a guy. I wonder if, when at home alone sipping a freshly brewed cup of Earl Grey, or when briefly unobserved in a public space, he sometimes allowed himself to savour a small self satisfied micro smirk-smile at his deeply humble dermatological contribution to the betterment of all mankind. I almost feel like a holocaust™ survivor myself, having been made aware of yet another of the fantastic adventures of those AMAAAZING Jew people.

  220. Fox says:
    @Giwu-Ger

    ZDF = state propaganda, financed by forcible fee collection, all of it based on the “Basic Law” provision on democratic propaganda.
    ZDF = Zweites Deutsches Fernsehen = Second German TV Channel, i.e., initially there were only two (public) TV channels, the first one was the ARD. Both still exist, prosper on ever-increasing forced fees and furnish fantastic career opportunities for people without backbone.

    • Replies: @Giwu-Ger
  221. @Smith

    Dissident historian Michael Hoffman nailed it long ago when he wrote that the ontological center of Western civilization has been shifted from the cross of Calvary to the gas chambers of Auschwitz.

    • Replies: @jbwilson24
    , @Erebus
    , @Robjil
  222. @TKK

    It’s a clear indication of your great delusion to suggest that Ron Unz hates Jews when he identifies himself as being Jewish. Perhaps he has an interest in giving voice to ernest exchanges in search of truth and meaning. His record shows a interest in treating minorities fairly, probably more so than most so why would he reserve hatred for Jews? I would imagine that he has lots of Jewish friends and relatives too. Smart people hate the bad behaviour of people rather than having a blanket hatred of the entire people.

    What is it that you fear so much about truer accounts of important events being expressed and blatant lies being exposed?

    • Agree: Bookish1
  223. Fox says:
    @Genrick Yagoda

    I remember this story. I think de Fonseca did not receive the money in the end or had to give it back. Wilkimorski, on the other hand, another non-Jew making up a story of being a Jewish child in Poland during the war (“Fragments” in English) received an award by the American (I think it was the Psychiatric Association), also the National Jewish Book Award, made money from his book and was defended, after being unmasked as an impostor, for being a liar by, among others, D. Lipstadt, because “it could have been true”.
    Wilkimorski lived in Switzerland as a child during the war.

  224. Saggy says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    The Holocaust is a highly complex and specialized topic,

    Complete nonsense. Calculus is a highly complex and specialized topic, the holohoax is a preposterous hoax that is prima facie absurd and a pack of degenerate lies the likes of which the world has never before seen. Let’s have a look at the ‘evidence’, from Yad Vashem’s ‘The Auschwitz Album’,

    The Auschwitz Album is the only surviving visual evidence of the process leading to the mass murder at Auschwitz-Birkenau. … The photos were taken at the end of May or beginning of June 1944, either by Ernst Hofmann or by Bernhard Walter, two SS men whose task was to take ID photos and fingerprints of the inmates


    Caption:

    Jews who were classified as “not fit for work” waiting in a grove outside Crematorium IV before they were to be gassed. At this point, the Jews were exhausted and in a state of shock from the horrors of the journey and the selection process that they had just endured. The vast majority had no idea what fate awaited them.

    Or how about the door into the ‘gas chamber’ at Auschwitz, an unsealed wooden office door with a large plate glass window:

    To examine more preposterous ‘evidence’ for the holohoax visit http://www.holohoax101.org

    • Replies: @GeeBee
  225. @Carolyn Yeager

    When and where is “later”? This was a very interesting article. It got my hopes up a little and I am so black pilled, almost nothing can do that but there is nothing worse than false optimism. If you can cast doubt on Striker’s credibility. you really ought to do it fast

  226. @PeterMX

    I’m really disappointed in you, PeterMX. Don’t know who you are but I was going to “agree” with you until I read your last two sentences. Unz Review is not the last word in Holocaust Revisionism by a long shot (using the standard of the actual Revisionists who’ve done the work and whom Unz learned from). And much less so is The Occidental Observer which notoriously rejects any holocaust revisionism and stops at pointing to Jews as “our problem.” Most readers of Counter-Currents are fags more interested in coming from the Left, and Greg Johnson does NOT subscribe to “holocaust denial.” Gilad Atzmon and Paul Eisen, same thing, only partial deniers. But I got a lovely email awhile back from Paul Eisen (who has become a Catholic) apologizing to me … which he didn’t need to do but I appreciated it anyway.

    The problem with all these Jews and Jew-friendly types is that they will make excuses for, and go easy on the Jews when the true reckoning comes. I, as an ethnic German, am very offended by that. No one went easy on the Germans, from 1930 until this very day. Germans have been put through hell, also genocided as you know, and are being made to disappear. None of the people or websites you mentioned are German, are they. Maybe you are?

    The best website for accurate and complete pure holocaust revisionism is https://jan27.org. We just had the most traffic we’ve ever had, by far, during this Jan. 27th Remembrance event! Maybe that’s a sign of a change of fortune. We commemorate the Revisionists! The site is all about Auschwitz but the same applies to all the camps. If you haven’t checked it out, you must do so. It’s sad to me that you don’t mention it or Codoh.com but you do mention anti-revisionist sites like TOO and C-C. That’s not how to teach people.
    Thank you very much for your comments.

  227. @Achilles Wannabe

    Oh thanks, AW. I got sidetracked with replying to comments here, and other things to do, and actually forgot I said that. But tomorrow morning I will see what I can do; it should not be too hard. Probably Striker is well-meaning but he should not be writing about something he doesn’t know. The Holocaust is not something everyone can have their own opinion about!

  228. @Truth3

    It figures that Cole writes at Taki. Taki and Vdare are neo cuked. They practice race realism but not ethnic realism. They all know about the Elephant but they probably think they can just temper it a bit They sync with Jews in a number of ways – high IQ, extremely ambitious, probably couldn’t care less what happens to lower IQ people no matter what their race. Multiculturalism threatens them as white guys but once they get the borders closed it wouldn’t surprise me if they lapsed right back into good old anglo-Jewish libertarianism

    • Replies: @mikesmith
  229. Wally says:
    @Saggy

    from the mentioned Gerard Menuhin:

    “Alone the fact that one may not question the Jewish “holocaust” and that Jewish pressure has inflicted laws on democratic societies to prevent questions—while incessant promotion and indoctrination of the same averredly incontestable ‘holocaust’ occur—gives the game away. It proves that it must be a lie. Why else would one not be allowed to question it? Because it might offend the “survivors”? Because it “dishonors the dead”? Hardly sufficient reason to outlaw discussion. No, because the exposure of this leading lie might precipitate questions about so many other lies and cause the whole ramshackle fabrication to crumble.”
    – Gerard Menuhin / Revisionist Jew, son of famous violinist

    Taken from his book:

    – TELL THE TRUTH & SHAME THE DEVIL, 2015, Published by THE BARNES REVIEW, P.O. Box 15877, Washington, D.C. 20003: available at: https://shop.codoh.com/book/406

    – more quotes from Gerard Menuhin: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10013

  230. Thomasina says:
    @Theodore

    Thank you for providing that information, Theodore. That was very interesting. It makes me very angry to think of the lies we have been told. If this information were ever to become mainstream, look out below! No wonder they want to keep it all covered up. Take care.

  231. Anon[365] • Disclaimer says:
    @Smith

    The holohoax is the founding myth of the modern world.

    Destroy it, and you destroy the modern world.

    And that’s a good thing!

    If the Holocaust is upheld: the modern world is upheld for one more brief moment.

    If the Holocaust is debunked in the public mind: the destruction of the modern world is assured.

    If the Holocaust is upheld, other narratives will be advanced to destroy the modern world.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_1619_Project
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jake_Silverstein

    The world is going to be destroyed by Jewish narratives, one way or the other. As racial tension heats up, they don’t grab the water. They grab the kindling.

    Which seems to be strategy at this specific point in history, as it obviously isn’t logical toward this nation’s continued existence.

    In light of this incitement that is founded on propaganda, where is the historical evidence of their innocence? The present evidence points to historical guilt.

    This present continuing incitement of racial tension and narratives has me wondering how many times this strategy has been used against host nations in the the dim history of the Jews.

    As far as the Holocaust fairy tale is concerned, what better way to assure civilizations destruction than to erect its modern structure on the flimsiest of lies that is destined to collapse?

  232. Wally says:
    @Carolyn Yeager

    – As if you or anyone is a “scholar on the subject of Elie Wiesel”. LOL

    – Yes, Wiesel is famous, so what?

  233. Dube says:
    @utu

    Actually in early 1990’s I fantasized that Poland together with Germany could severely damage the canonical Holocaust narrative, however observing Poland for last 30 years I must conclude that Poland is not capable to carry out the nuclear option. Who has the original documents? Do they even exist anymore? They all have been tampered.

    Re: Polish sourcing for original documents. Researcher Leszek Zebrowski on April 3, 2019 lectured on the massacre at Jedwabne, and included these remarks (translated).

    It is the great misfortune that Poland up to the first years of 2000 was giving up materials, documentation, photos, testimony, various reports about German crimes committed on the Jews to the Germans. Poland gave Germany the originals of tens of thousands of documents, if not more. Photos from the pacifications, testimonies of the direct witnesses, not leaving for the Polish side even copies of these documents. All this documentation was transferred from Poland because Germany allegedly better led the investigations. They did not complete any of such investigations but today documents are unavailable. Poland cannot use them because they are being reviewed. That is, for so many years Poland neglected essential matters. How could we give the perpetrators the evidence of their crimes? This was going on. Therefore, many documents are missing.

  234. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    Well, my impression is that you’re just one of the many ignorant half-wits who hangs around my website for some reason, mostly spouting off about illegal immigrants and that sort of nonsense. Perhaps instead of having written 9,500(!!) comments totaling 440,000(!!!) words, you might want to occasionally read a book or something before you get into subjects you obviously don’t understand.

    Is an Anatoly Karlin an “ignorant half-wit” in your estimation? His take on your Holocaust revisionism is similar to mine. Maybe you could replace him with Mike Pienovich. How about Greg Cochran, another “ignorant half-wit” according to you? He’s not too impressed with your Holocaust revisionism either.

    As for my many comments on your site, you’re absolutely right that my time could have been better spent (though it’s odd for you to shame a frequent reader and commenter, given that you recently mooted charging for either or both). The vast majority of my comments were left on Steve Sailer’s blog though. I read and commented on his blog before you hosted it, and if you didn’t host it, I probably wouldn’t visit your site at all. I tend to agree with Ben Sixsmith that yours is a case of “contrarianism gone haywire“.

    • Replies: @Saggy
    , @Ron Unz
  235. @Ron Unz

    why would anyone read countersignaling jewish psychopaths on the subject?

    lol arthur butz, electrical-engineering professor, “seminal work”

    imagine *choosing to read plebeian garbage like this instead of say, (former hitler-youth member) broszat. imagine anyone with a brain not seeing clear through to the motive

  236. @Ron Unz

    Yes, the Jewish population movements of the time are indeed a “complex and highly specialized topic”. And I have read the Butz and Sanning book that you reference.

    If you look at Sanning’s reference to his book conclusions at:

    http://inconvenienthistory.com/9/1/4227

    In all of his tables – but in particular let’s look at the last one, Table 5, he claims that only 757,000 Jews were in the Polish areas in 1941.

    But if one were to reference the Korherr Report of the Germans created in early ’43:

    https://www.ns-archiv.de/verfolgung/korherr/

    Here it is translated in English (but missing some things in there which I won’t be referencing here and doesn’t matter for this discussion):

    http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/holoprelude/korherr.html

    You notice that the Germans throughout this report are saying that there were about 2.0 million Jews in those Polish areas at the time. For instance, in the short report, it has:

    Eastern Territories – 790,000
    General Government – 2,000,000

    And in section V.4 of the long report, it claims that the Germans “evacuated” 1.5 million Jews from the “Eastern Provences” to “the Russian East” by the end of ’42.

    And the sub-number of V.4 of the Jews sifted through the camps in the General Government (1,274,166) is the exact same number as the Hoefle Telegram’s total for the number who were sent to the Aktion Reinhard camps.

    So the Germans have this and more documentation showing them transporting more than 1.5 million Jews in these areas that Sanning only accounts for their being 757,000 in the Polish areas + areas east of that which don’t seem to show up in his table anywhere.

    Where did the over 1.5 million Jews that the Germans transported come from – given Sanning’s analysis? It simply isn’t in there. Sanning fails.

    I only use this one example to be clear on how obviously Sanning fails. I could go into more detail but a comment on an article here is not the place for that. Sanning is ridiculously wrong on the most simple of considerations.

    While the subject is quite complex, the numbers of Jews that came under German control is known roughly well enough. The number of Jews that the Germans handled, in particular the ones in the General Government and neighboring region ghettos, is known roughly well enough. For instance, the large ghettos such as Warsaw and Lodz are known pretty well.

    The number of Jews the Germans claim to have come across in the East of there is known roughly well enough.

    The Germans handled these millions of Jews and they were nowhere to be found after the Germans handling of them.

    Sanning is wrong in how many Polish Jews the Germans came across. They weren’t sent to Siberia in the numbers he deludes himself with (there were quite alot that were relocated by the Soviets though – just not Sanning’s delusional number).

    While the person’s statement you are replying to is a rather simple one for a complex issue, it still stands. No one has come across those Jews after the war. In particular, no one has come across the Jews that are quite known to have been directly handled and documented by the Germans – in things such as this Korherr Report for one. So the OP’s position i justified enough and your snide reply does not refute it.

    • Agree: Dave Pinsen
    • Replies: @Mulegino1
  237. @Mulegino1

    Any written material from Mengele? Experimental records/results?
    Did,for example,the hand switchibg experiments yield any useful data?

    • Replies: @Mulegino1
  238. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    I used to visit the WTC for business myself, and it has no more bearing on placing demo than your experiences there or some novel you read. Nice try at irrelevant misdirection.

    It’s not irrelevant at all, because it means I saw first hand the security visitors to the towers faced everyday. For example, when I parked in the underground garage at the WTC, the trunk and underside of my car were searched. And when I entered the building, my bag was searched, and then I had to produce identification at an airport-like check-in desk where my appointment in the building was confirmed. Then I was given a laminated photo ID card indicating my destination, which I had to show to the guards at the elevator banks.

    The external frame on WTC 7 that you’re apparently claiming…

    I have made no comments about WTC 7. The external frames I referred two were of the twin towers, 1 and 2.

  239. @Theodore

    Good points, but jews see the world through the Talmud. It doesn’t matter how the jew died, the goyim will have to pay.

    How about this this talmudic dilemma: If the adenochome extracted from a dozen goy virgins extends the lives of Soros or Adelson for one week, should the parents of these children be allowed to file charges?

  240. @Dave Pinsen

    “So, roughly 73% of the Jewish population of Poland was annihilated.”

    Wrong answer, Heimi, 73% of the jews changed their names. Jews change their name about as often as Goyim change their underwear. Jews don’t change their underwear, and goyim don’t change their names.

  241. Alfred says:
    @melpol

    Poland was the first to offer Jews emancipation

    That was their ruling class at the time. They needed the Jews to run their massive estates and collect taxes from the downtrodden peasants.

    that was long before Jews were being beaten by Polish mobs.

    That was their peasant class getting back at the blood-suckers. A totally different group of Poles from the ones who invited the Jews into Poland.

    Today, the Jews and their upper-class cronies are inviting Africans into Europe. Tomorrow, the lower-classes of Europe will toss out the Jews and the Africans they brought in.

    History is like a cycle and the one thing that is certain is that the Jews never learn from their past. 🙁

  242. Alfred says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Weinstein got back $4.6bn from insurance companies and untold billions more from airlines. Not bad for a bunch of buildings that would have cost a fortune to demolish due to their asbestos.

    Developer Sues to Win $12.3 Billion in 9/11 Attack

    Control of World Trade Center Complex – Four key Zionist Network assets

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    , @Dave Pinsen
  243. kikl says:

    Striker got it basically right. The holocaust orthodoxy is slowly retreating. At some point in time the house of cards will crumble. If Auschwitz falls, then the rest will go down, that is what they fear.

    I would like to read the history of holocaust history. How has the supposed history changed over the years?

    Well, it is a history of historical defeats of the holocaust industry.

    What do the children learn in school today? They learn to trust some survivor testimony given decades after the events. They are taught to be uncritical fools. In the future, they will see holocaust survivor tales as holographs. Holotales of the holocaust as holographs. They are shown traumatizing pictures of piles of corpses. This is trauma based mind control.

    What should they learn? They should learn to distrust and think for themselves. The schools should teach a history of war propaganda lies, a history of government propaganda lies. They should teach logic and critical thinking. They should teach about psychological warfare and how to protect yourself.

    But, the powers that be don’t want to rule over smart people. That’s difficult. They want the people to be dumb, so dumb that they believe in “weapons of mass destruction”, “12 muslims with box cutters overwhelmed the greatest military of the world”, ” the gulf of tonquin.”, … its endless…

  244. @melpol

    “Innocent German Jews were removed from their occupations and punished. Polish mobs beat Jewish civilians and have escaped condemnation. Jews had to hide in basements to avoid being crucified.These events are hate crimes and should not be forgiven.”

    Given the way that Jews behaved towards the average Pole and BeloRussian in Poland, they more than deserved it.

    Go find some of the books written by Jews on life in Poland before WW2. They openly admit to spitting at Churches and on Christian graves, calling Poles ‘pigs’, etc etc.

    The Poles were way too nice. The Chinese would have done the proper thing and strung them up from lampposts long before Hitler ever came to power.

  245. @Hamlet's Ghost

    “Dissident historian Michael Hoffman nailed it long ago when he wrote that the ontological center of Western civilization has been shifted from the cross of Calvary to the gas chambers of Auschwitz.”

    He is quite right. Holocaustianity is a new religion, with the suffering of the Jews taking the place of the suffering of Jesus. The only problem is that there is no redemption offered, gentiles just get to grovel and apologies in perpetuity while Jews scoop up all the resources.

    You can’t accuse a Jew of farting without being called an anti-semite. They are overplaying their hand so strongly that future crops of anti-semitic youth are all but guaranteed.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  246. Blankaerd says:
    @Tusk

    I wasn’t talking about the orthodox holocaust position, read my previous posts.

  247. kikl says:

    The retreat from Majdanek has huge repercussions for the whole Reinhard camp exterminationist story. The hoefle telegram is their most important piece of evidence:

    “The Höfle Telegram (or Hoefle Telegram) is a cryptic one-page document, discovered in 2000 among the declassified World War II archives of the Public Record Office in Kew, England. The document consists of several radio telegrams in translation,[1] among them a top-secret message sent by SS Sturmbannführer Hermann Höfle on 11 January 1943; one, to SS Obersturmbannführer Adolf Eichmann in Berlin, and one to SS Obersturmbannführer Franz Heim in German-occupied Kraków (Cracow).[2][3]

    The Telegram contains the detailed statistics on the 1942 killings of Jews in the extermination camps of Operation Reinhard including at Belzec (B), Sobibor (S), Treblinka (T), and at Lublin-Majdanek (L)… ”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%B6fle_Telegram

    This sounds like a slam dunk, doesn’t it? O.K. So Majdanek (Lublin) is listed among the Reinhard camps. These camps were allegedly the extermination sites, since the Reinhard operation was an operation to kill all the jews.

    So now we learn that Majdanek (Lublin) was not an extermination camp according to the mainstream holocaust memorial museum!

    This is the decoded hoefle telegram:

    This is the word by word translation:

    “2. OMX de OMQ 1000 89 ? ?
    State secret! To the Reich Security Main Office, for
    the attention of SS Obersturmbannführer EICHMANN, BERLIN […rest missed…]
    13/15. OLQ de OMQ 1005 83 234 250
    State secret! To the commander of the Security Police,
    for the attention of SS Obersturmbannführer HEIM, KRAKAU.
    Re: 14-day report Operation REINHARD. Reference: radiogram from there.
    Recorded arrivals until 31 December 42, L 12761, B 0, S 515, T 10335 totaling
    23611. Situation [ … ] 31 December 42, L 24733, B 434508, S 101370,
    T 71355, totaling 1274166.
    SS and police leader of Lublin, HOEFLE, Sturmbannführer.”

    It doesn’t explicitly talk about executions, it talks about “arrivals”. It is a report about the operation Reinhard. The orthodoxy believes that anyone who arrived must have been killed.

    Majdanek/Lublin was part of the operation Reinhard but was not an extermination camp, well how does that fit together with the mainstream interpretation that operation Reinhard was an extermination program?It doesn’t.

    I believe: In a few decades, they holocaust believers will understand this and retreat even further

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  248. Blankaerd says:
    @Wally

    Where did you get your “500.000 – 3 million innocents” from?

    1. Camp records and Red Cross estimations attributing roughly 200.000-300.000 deaths to the camps alone However, the quality of camp administration fell as the war went on, so the total number of deaths must exceed that number substantially
    2. T4 Aktion programme
    3. Activities of the Einsatzgruppen (though admittedly it’s hard to determine who was innocent and who was not, nonetheless the nazi’s did violent reprisals against villages even on the suspicion that a partisan was hiding there. Reprisals was common elsewhere in Europe, such as reprisals for resistance activities in which typically innocents were punished, such as in the in the aftermath of the Putten raid and operation Anthropoid. There are many such cases elsewhere in Europe)
    4. The Hunger plan as a deliberate policy of starvation of Soviet citizens (though admittedly it was because the Germans lacked food themselves and the army had priority). According to German documentations hundreds of thousands if not millions would die as a result of the policy.
    5. Negligence of Soviet POW’s resulting in many deaths.

    – How and where did they supposedly die?

    – Where can we see the human remains that are claimed to be in known locations.

    You truly expect to find all dead people accounted for, with human remains and exact known date of death and how they died? If so, then did the second world war actually happen? I dare you to find proof that 50 million people have died in the second world war. Locations of human remains and how and when they died is appreciated.

    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @Wally
  249. Blankaerd says:
    @Theodore

    By “Nazi policy” you mean Britain and France’s declarations of war?

    No, I mean policies such as the hunger plan, forced labor (in which many died as a result of malnutrition, being overworked or disease), deportations to concentration camps and the poor sanitary conditions therein (especially from 1940-42), activities of the Einstaztsgruppen, reprisals in which more often than not innocents died (such as in the aftermath of operation anthropoid and the putten raid, but there are far more extreme cases like in Belarusia and the Ukraine).

    Who determines what activity is illegal?

    International law agreed upon by the belligerents. Nazi-Germany signed the geneva convention.

    Jews were forcibly enlisted to help the war effort by going into concentration camps and doing labor, and as a result of this [along with a superstitious & pathological resistance to bathing in a minority of cases] a large number died of incurable disease, and many others from starvation due to lack of food.

    Sanitary conditions were absolutely atrocious in concentration camps from 1940-1942 and who else but the nazi’s to blame for that? You can find reports of camp commanders, guards, doctors and inspectors talking about the extraordinary filthy conditions of camps like Auschwitz, and indeed, those filthy conditions culminated in a typhus epidemic. It was only then that Himmler ordered better conditions for the prisoners, where beforehand their health was almost completely neglected.

    A typhoid epidemic could have easily been prevented by regular washing of clothes and showering, yet the camps often lacked basic sanitary facilities until mid 1942.

    Sure, but there’s a difference between people dying of disease and starvation because there is insufficient food and supplies – as a result of a war that was forced upon them – and rounding up people solely for the purpose of killing them. It’s even different from rounding up people and just letting them die because you don’t care either way.

    I agree, which is why I said people died directly or indirectly as a result of nazi policy. Directly would be things like mass-shootings and reprisals in reaction to resistance activities. Indirectly would be placing people in a conditions that caused their deaths even though that may have not been your primary intention. That’s the hunger plan and negligence at the concentration camps for you. But again, it’s hard to gauge what the proportions were and who was innocent or not. We can safely assume that most deaths at Auschwitz occurring at 1940-42 (to maybe 43) have been indirectly the result of nazi policy because of complete negligence of prisoner health until the nazi-top realized that the jews could be used for forced labor. Later camp deaths can be attributed to Allied bombings and the subsequent collapse of nazi infrastructure.

    It is quite a moral conundrum. What if there are 5,000 people, but only enough food for 1,000? What then? And who is the real killer if the food existed but some action by another was taken which resulted in the food no longer being transportable, and this action was done deliberately?

    It indeed is. I’d say that from Nazi-Germany’s perspective the hunger plan was entirely justified given that winning the war to them was more imperative than feeding Soviet civilians and POW’s. I think that, if Germany had a surplus of food they would have properly fed the civilians and the POW’s, but they didn’t so the army and German civilians had priority. Backe already placed nazi-germany on rations starting in 1936, and Germany was never able to build up a surplus despite the best-efforts by the nazi’s. Still, starvation was a known side-effect of the hunger plan, and so Germans do bare responsibility for said policy, even if the context would justify it at the time. The same thing can be said for Britain’s starvation policy in Bengali.

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @Wally
    , @anarchyst
    , @Theodore
  250. Erebus says:
    @Hamlet's Ghost

    Hoffman’s is one of those insights that once heard permeates one’s understanding and resonates against every touchstone. Calvary had failed by the turn of the 20th Century and Auschwitz was the totally contrived usurper that seized the void. Being wholly contrived and a void in itself, it is the very negation of all the positive purposes an ontological centre serves its civilization. It inspired nothing but nihilism in the people, and demagoguery in the West’s elites…

    So…

    Things (will) fall apart; the centre cannot hold;. Mere anarchy (will be) loosed upon the world…

    … again. Yeats’ hour has come ’round a second time, at last.

    • Replies: @Morus
  251. JessicaR says:

    Some aspects of this article are, in my opinion, misleading. It is a huge leap between having an unreliable memory and lying. The two should not be equated. Stress impairs memory and I don’t think even Holocaust deniers can deny that imprisonment in a concentration camp was stressful in the extreme because of malnutrition, daily violence, and fear. I imagine that in such an environment, gossip and rumors circulated and because conditions were so awful, they seemed plausible to the people hearing them.

    As for Mengele, studying malnutrition instead of feeding malnourished people is a moral horror that is not negated by giving survivors extra food and better accommodations later.

    The moral perspective of Holocaust deniers seems skewed: it is an indisputable fact that non-criminal children were imprisoned in these places were they were exposed to malnutrition, disease, and violence. The humane reaction to this is to express horror at treating children in this way. The humane reaction is NOT to defend the Nazis because conditions in the camp were not as bad as is usually believed.

    • Replies: @Saggy
    , @Wally
    , @annamaria
  252. Robjil says:
    @Hamlet's Ghost

    True.

    Galileo’s was tried for not believing that the earth revolves around the sun.

    These days, since we live in the age of Zion demockcracys, anyone can be ostracized and jobless or in some countries tried and jailed for five years in solitary confinement for not believing that Auschwitz is the new center of western “civilization”.

    Galileo did not know how lucky he was. It was a nothing burger compared to what millions have to deal with in these days in our Zion demockcracies.

  253. annamaria says:
    @Karel

    Time for Auschwitz to show a collection of Palestinian children’s remains, victims of the Jewish State. As for the Baby Yar remembrance, is it nice that an Israeli citizen Kolomojsky has financed a neo-nazi battalion Azov whereas the Jewish State has supplied the self-proclaimed neo-Nazi (Banderites) with Israeli rifles? Guess the zionists’ hearts rejoice when seeing this Russian young mother with her child murdered by Banderites:

    • Agree: the grand wazoo
    • Replies: @Trinity
  254. annamaria says:
    @Blankaerd

    “Locations of human remains and how and when they died is appreciated.”

    — Can’t wait to see the same enthusiasm for the numbers of the victims of Jewish Bolshevism in Russia. There is also an ongoing mass slaughter in the Middle East, which was organized by fanatical zionists in the name of Eretz Israel. Are you for the best counting of the victims, particularly tens of thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) of children?

    The Jewish State was found as supporting Ukrainian neo-nazi (Banderites) and the murderous White Helmets. Any thoughts about this infamy in the context of the holobiz noise? As for the cancan of the tourist attraction Aushwitz, time to do a well-publicized campaign about the hoax.

    • Replies: @PeterMX
  255. Saggy says: • Website
    @Dave Pinsen

    Is an Anatoly Karlin an “ignorant half-wit” in your estimation? His take on your Holocaust revisionism is similar to mine

    For crying out loud, Karlin is an admitted ignorant half-wit on the subject of the holohoax, from your link … https://www.unz.com/akarlin/holocaust/

    I have not read any of the serious literature specifically on the Holocaust, though I have read a lot on WW2. To be frank I don’t find Jews or the Holocaust to be terribly interesting in general.

    I’ve noticed your comments on 9/11, so I don’t think you are an ignorant half-wit generally, but no one gives a damn about what your ‘take’ is on the holohoax, if you don’t know a thing about it.

    Why not study the subject for a bit, then give us your take, supported by the evidence for it, one way or another. Start here … http://www.holohoax101.org, and here https://www.bitchute.com/channel/rumpelstiltskin/

    • Replies: @Genrick Yagoda
  256. @jbwilson24

    Holocaustianity is a new religion, with the suffering of the Jews taking the place of the suffering of Jesus.

    Quite right. A fanatical cult based mostly on impossible myths and sustained only by beliefs, one of which is of a magical future reward. Madness!

  257. Saggy says: • Website
    @JessicaR

    It is a huge leap between having an unreliable memory and lying.

    You simply have no idea of what you are talking about. Let’s take an example from the bible of the holohoax, Elie Wiesel’s ‘Night’ ……

    Babies were thrown into the air and the machine gunners used them as targets.

    Or how about Guyenot’s example above …

    Nazi scientists had severed Mrs. Goldblatt’s hands, switched them around, and sewn them on again so that if she put her hands out palms down, her thumbs were on the outside and her little fingers were on the inside

    from the impressively titled “The Science of Evil: On Empathy and the Origins of Cruelty, published in 2011 by Basic Books.

    Or, how about F. Meuller’s account of a typical Sunday morning at Auschwitz …
    Yehuda Bauer, Director of Research at Yad Vashem writes in the introduction to survivor Filip Mueller’s book Eyewitness Auschwitz: Three Years in the Gas Chambers

    “This is a unique document indeed, it is the testimony of the only man who saw the Jewish people die and lived to tell what he saw.”

    Mueller begins in the morning,

    “where some 500 prisoners had lined up in rows of 10 so that they might enjoy their Sunday rest according to established Auschwitz tradition.”

    The kapo then barks orders to the prisoners to take off and replace their caps. Those not fast enough are bludgeoned to death. One new prisoner speaks up,

    “I’m sure the people in charge know nothing whatever about this. I protest.”

    He is bludgeoned to death. ”

    As a result of this mornings sporting activities, thirty-five bludgeoned bodies now lay in the yard of Block 11. However our harassment was by no means at an end. Although by now we were exhausted we stood in line behind wooden tea vats. The tea should have been served early in the morning and was now STONE COLD.”

    All you have to do to realize the holohoax is pure phantasmagoria is to read actual ‘testimony’ of the only man who saw the Jewish people die and lived to tell what he saw.
    To educate yourself, start here … http://www.holohoax101.org, and here https://www.bitchute.com/channel/rumpelstiltskin/

    • Agree: Genrick Yagoda
    • Replies: @turtle
  258. Pandour says: • Website
    @melpol

    Pawns,hardly-six of the 10 senior members of the Cheka-GPU-NKVD in Ukraine were Jewish.The NKVD was predominantly a Jewish organization.Yoram Sheftel,John Demanjuks Israeli defense attorney commenting on a plaque memorializing KGB WW II dead in Simeropfol,Ukraine,writes that all 30 names were Jewish-I was shocked and angry as I read the names,the first was Polonski and the last Levinstein and all those between were ones like Zalmonowitz,Geller and Kagan-all Jews.The best of Jewish Russia,the cradle of Zionism,had sold itself and is soul to the Red Devil-.The Demanjuk Affair-The Rise and Fall of a Show-Trial-London 1994, p.301.

    • Replies: @melpol
  259. @Saggy

    Pinsen’s comments on 911 are EXACTLY an illustration of why he is an ignorant halfwit. But that is for a different thread.

    Pinsen’s display on this thread only serve to further illustrate that Unz’s assessment is accurate.

  260. melpol says:
    @Pandour

    Jewish revolutionists belonging to the Bolshevik and Menshevik parties were not Communists but reformers. They attempted to turn Czarist Russia into a Western style Democracy. Stalin executed most of them while continuing Fascism. Eventually the Jews won and installed Putin as the leader of a new Russia.

  261. @Mr. Rational

    Ahh one of several sayanim appears!

  262. @melpol

    No. You are flat out lying. Zionism is a leftist Bolshevik political theory/ideology.

    In your posts you seem to be blatantly lying. How Bolshevik of you! Or more appropriate -how Zionist of you!

    • Replies: @melpol
  263. @Buzz Mohawk

    A friend of a friend was (maybe still is) a CIA analyst, who was researching Al Qaeda before 9/11. A few years after the attacks, I asked him what their motivation was for 9/11, given the US response it prompted. He said they thought 9/11 would cause the U.S. to collapse.

    • LOL: NoseytheDuke
    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  264. melpol says:
    @Lol just lol

    Never have I met a Jew who believed in Communism or share the wealth theory. But some believed in national health care or free college. all of the Russian Jews who arrived in the US never believed in sharing their wealth. No Jew by their nature could be anything but capitalism personified. I met children whose fathers were Bolsheviks, all their dads wanted a Western style Democracy. Most were executed or banished by Stalin.

    • Troll: Lol just lol
  265. Wally says:
    @JessicaR

    Blah, blah, blah.

    Bottom line:
    – There is no proof for the “holocaust” narrative, none.
    The claims are simply impossible, regardless of your desire for ‘6M Jews and 5M others’ to be dead. The fact is that Revisionists bring good news, Jews and others should be elated.

    – It’s also a fact that it is not just the camp “survivors” who are lying, it is the entire “Holocaust Industry”, very few of which were ever in a labor camp.

    – I challenge you to present to us just THREE “survivors” that you find believable.
    Tell us what they said in their own words, where & when they said it.

    – I challenge you to present to us any reason why we should accept the impossible.

    recommended:
    Holohoax Tales: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12988
    and:
    the so called ‘Holocaust’ / theatre of the absurd:
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=66

  266. Trinity says:
    @annamaria

    It is HIGH TIME for the Zionist or lets just cut to the chase and use to correct term, Jewish Supremacists to answer for their crimes against humanity. After all, I hate the term “Zionist” because we all know that there are plenty of Gentile Zionist or the very least whores for Zionism. How many European women have been raped by hordes of Pakis, Arabs, Africans as the result of these Jewish “globalists” plans to destroy Western Culture through forced assimilation with hordes of hostile third world invaders. And we all know that Jewish Supremacists stirred the pot in South Africa. Jewish anti-White racists like Joe Slovo were leading the way to take down the White population of S. Africa. It was Whites who built S. Africa from nothing into a prosperous first world nation and now look at that hellhole. Jews like Joe Slovo didn’t have a problem with the apartheid state of Israel, isn’t that peculiar because the horrors in Israel committed against the Palestinians are far worse than separate restroom facilities. Jewish Supremacist through acts like the Immigration Reform Act authored by Celler and Javits, ( two Jews) helped drastically change this country from an overwhelmingly White nation to what it is now. Now can you imagine, two White Gentiles authoring a piece of legislature in Israel that pushes Israel to favor more non-Jew immigration into the nation of Israel? Exactly how many Syrian refugees wound up in Israel? Doesn’t Israel routinely kick African Jews out of their country?

    And lest we conveniently forget the Epstein child sex scandal, something that “our” media never seems to mention is that EVERYONE BEHIND THIS OPERATION WERE JEWS. Sure, the “alleged” low-life “johns” had plenty of White Gentiles and even a Saudi Prince, but everyone running these underage houses of prostitution honey pots were Jews. Can you imagine if all these high powered pimps were of Russian or Iranian descent? Do you think that would be pointed out on CNN, FOX, MSNBC, ABC, etc., etc. Yes sir, that would have been the first thing pointed out and drilled and looped 24/7. One poster mentioned in an earlier post that Germans have been attacked relentlessly ever since WWII, and that is very true, no wonder the German people are so cucked right now. But the poster mentioned that even those who bring up Jewish crimes against humanity like the aforementioned, or their significant role in the Holodomor which claimed even more lives than the alleged holocaust, the critics always handle Jewish perpetrators with kid gloves. Not so with the Germans, there was no let up, the critics could never ever let the Germans forget whether the stories are true or not, the Germans have to be demonized non-stop. The Germans suffered more than any other people with the possible exception of the Chinese from WWII and yet it is the Jews who are the only people that are accorded victim status.

    • Agree: Lol just lol
  267. PeterMX says:
    @annamaria

    Just my opinion. Anyone that wants to support Ukraine and sypathizes with the Uirainians that welcomed the German army shouldn’t refer to them as “Nazis” or “neo-Nazis”. That is a slur created by the allies, probably the Jews. Bandera and other Ukrainians had good reason to ally with the Germans. They didn’t come to murder them and their own government murdered millions of them. And Jews were viewed as the enemy all over eastren Europe because they were the communist leaders and they were the murderers of nationalists and others that didn’t accept what was being rammed down their throats, atheism, murdered priests, raped nuns and burned down churches. The Jews did this. Should they have been thanked for this?

    Can anyone honestly believe that it is just a coincidence that a government that is 80 to 85% Jewish outlawed Chritianity, outlawed anti-Semitsm and attacked priests and nuns, especially when you consider that for the previous 50 years Jews were complaining the Czar was anti-semitic and the Jews complained of pogroms and tried to get foreign governments involved on their side?

    How about some genuine sympathy for Bandera and others that defended Ukrainians.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  268. Wally says:
    @Blankaerd

    – What “hunger plan” are you referring to. Please present this “plan”. We await.

    said:
    “A typhoid epidemic could have easily been prevented by regular washing of clothes and showering, yet the camps often lacked basic sanitary facilities until mid 1942.”

    – That’s a blatant, laughable lie. Sanitary conditions were in place from the beginning
    What, you think the Germans wanted to unnecessarily expose their troops to diseases? That’s a ridiculous assertion.

    – The fact is that illegal Allied bombing / strafing of food & medical transports into the labor camps contribute mightily to the problem. A problem that ravaged the Allies and much of Europe, east & west, during the war

    – You mention the Einsatzgruppen who were engaged in legal activities against non-uniformed combatants. The Allies did the same thing.
    However, the claim is that the Einsatzgruppen ‘murdered’ at least 2,000,000 people.
    – So please show us the enormous mass graves of human remains that are claimed to exist in known locations.

    recommended:
    Babi Yar: The [alleged] Einsatzgruppen ‘Killings’: https://www.unz.com/article/babi-yar/
    Excavation Result: No Enormous Human Remains as Alleged at Babi Yar … of course: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11314

    • Replies: @Blankaerd
  269. Giwu-Ger says:
    @Fox

    Agree 100%!

    Together, these are the world’s most expansive taxpayer channels, getting nearly 10 billion (you read that right) euros a year.

    I’m still trying to picture the scene in my head because so many things are obviously wrong: We’ve been told how tiny the rooms were, how many people were gassed in one pass (the number varies but it’s absurdly high ny necessity; I found a source talking about 2000-3000 per hour) so the anecdote seems inconceivable- Hundreds of naked people cramped in a totally overcrowded room, a stinking, biting gas is being released and then a tiny door reopens and one guy asks (probably coughing like crazy) if there are any musicians left.
    It’s almost a Monty Python sketch where the soon-to-be-murdered politely make room while trying not to vomit, cough or cry. There’s a guy who only pretends to be a musican (think Life of Brian) and everybody laughs, then our hero leaves the building and the deathly business commences in an orderly fashion.

  270. turtle says:
    @Saggy

    The kapo then barks orders to the prisoners to take off and replace their caps. Those not fast enough are bludgeoned to death.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapo_(concentration_camp)

    A kapo or prisoner functionary (German: Funktionshäftling, see § Etymology) was a prisoner in a Nazi concentration camp who was assigned by the SS guards to supervise forced labor or carry out administrative tasks.

    Also called “prisoner self-administration”

    In other words, prisoners abusing other prisoners.

  271. Mulegino1 says:
    @blake121666

    The Germans handled these millions of Jews and they were nowhere to be found after the Germans handling of them.

    That also poses a dilemma for the champions of the official story, who claim that these Jews were murdered in the Reinhardt camps: Treblinka II, Chelmno, Sobibor, Belzec- along with Majdanek/Lublin. There are no mass graves commensurate with even tens of thousands of victims, let alone over a million collectively. There are no traces of the enormous excavations and earth moving which would have been required to create them and fill them in. There are no traces for the exhumation of the alleged mass cremations of these bodies during the alleged Aktion 1005- which must be the most laughable hoax in history with respect to explaining away the complete lack of evidence.

    According to the official version, the preponderance of victims of Aktion Reinhardt- 700,000-800,000- must have been murdered, buried, exhumed, cremated on pyres and reburied at Treblinka II. Yet there is literally nothing there that would indicate that any of this happened.

    There are no traces of the gigantic pits which would have been needed for the mass graves.

    There are no traces of human remains which would indicate the burial of anywhere near as many victims.

    The surface area of the camp is roughly comparable to that of the mass graves of Katyn, which contained the remains of a little over 10,000 victims. I find it hard to believe that the Germans were so much more advanced in the art of mass grave creation than were the Soviets.

    There are no traces of the alleged mass outdoor cremation of the hundreds of thousands of victims on rail ties, no traces of the vast amount of wood ash which would have resulted, or of the huge warehouse which would have been needed to keep the cured firewood dry. You can’t cremate so many human bodies using green twigs and branches or even logs. It takes months to cure firewood.
    The amount of dried, cured firewood needed for such an operation would have been enormous, in the hundreds of millions of kilograms range.

    The methods of execution-primarily the gas chambers using diesel engine exhaust- are ludicrous. Diesel exhaust contains more oxygen than carbon monoxide.

    There is nothing at Treblinka II to indicate that any such things happened there. A cenotaph is no proof of a mass grave.

  272. anonymous[335] • Disclaimer says:
    @Carolyn Yeager

    No one went easy on the Germans, from 1930 until this very day. Germans have been put through hell, also genocided as you know, and are being made to disappear.

    This scares me. It makes me think it is time for extreme action to stop that genocide and reverse. But what action I do not know. But holohoax awareness helps. Here is a site that has over a million hits:
    https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t553062/

  273. anarchyst says:
    @Blankaerd

    /Sanitary conditions were absolutely atrocious in concentration camps from 1940-1942 and who else but the nazi’s to blame for that? You can find reports of camp commanders, guards, doctors and inspectors talking about the extraordinary filthy conditions of camps like Auschwitz, and indeed, those filthy conditions culminated in a typhus epidemic./

    Even George Patton knew of the atrocious sanitary habits of jews:

    “where, although room existed, the Jews were crowded together to an appalling extent, and in practically every room there was a pile of garbage in one corner which was also used as a latrine. The Jews were only forced to desist from their nastiness and clean up the mess by the threat of the butt ends of rifles. Of course, I know the expression “lost tribes of Israel” applied to the tribes which disappeared – not to the tribe of Judah from which the current sons of bitches are descended. However, it is my personal opinion that this too is a lost tribe – lost to all decency.”

    Recently, after complaints from other passengers, jews were kicked off a flight from Detroit to Miami because they stank. The airline was gracious enough to give them a free hotel room where they could clean themselves up. The jews completed their journey without incident the next morning.

    What is it about the atrocious (lack of) hygiene habits of jews?

  274. @ploni almoni

    Millions of Polish Jews, and others, decided to not call themselves Jews but ethnic poles. This happened in Poland and is happening now in (the) Ukraine. Mr Rational is an example.

    When did “Jew” become the new “n1663r”?  Whenever it happened, I’m for it.

    FWIW, not Polish in the slightest either.  I have family who fought Nazis, and for the Union too (as shameful as I find that today).  I certainly have more distant family who WERE Nazis, though I don’t know any of their names.  No more brother wars!

  275. Mike P says:

    The methods of execution-primarily the gas chambers using diesel engine exhaust- are ludicrous. Diesel exhaust contains more oxygen than carbon monoxide.

    A high enough carbon monoxide concentration will kill even in the presence of a greater amount of oxygen. However, diesel exhaust contains very little CO in absolute terms – less than the exhaust of any other type of combustion engine.

    During the war, the Germans actually powered many of their civilian buses and trucks using wood gas generators – which happen to generate copious amounts of carbon monoxide. These would have been the obvious choice for poisoning people – far more effective, and their use would have preserved valuable diesel fuel. Had anyone among the hoaxers thought this through, we would be reading no end of sob stories about how some Jews were worked to death chopping the wood to feed the wood gas generators used to kill more Jews, but also heroic ones about Elie Wiesel killing 77 SS guards by felling a single tree … aah, the possibilities.

  276. @kikl

    In a few decades, they holocaust believers will understand this and retreat even further

    Fun fact:  the 1968 edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica had NO entry for “Holocaust”, and there was no mention of it or even a reference to genocide in the entry on National Socialism either.

    This has all been ginned up in living memory.

  277. @Achilles Wannabe

    Here you go, AW. The following is my criticism of this article:

    First, I have to note that a major error in Striker’s essay concerning his characterization of David Irving – saying Auschwitz was the only gassing center when Irving states just the opposite – was removed by Ron Unz at the request of author Eric Striker, after readers pointed out Striker’s mistake.See comment #133.

    Striker, a professional writer, not a holocaust specialist, came upon a brand new book release by a “former director of a Jewish Heritage Museum”, in other words a Jew, and decided to use it as the basis of an article to coincide with the January 2020 Holocaust Remembrance Day. That’s the first thing to keep in mind—his motive. It is not “uncovering truth” but simply producing another article on a timely topic. The title is misleading.

    Any person of average intelligence can tell immediately upon hearing that the outlandish stories circulated about “Dr. Mengele” at Auschwitz couldn’t be true. So “Marwell” is not uncovering anything. Yet Striker writes that “Marwell’s work is considered the most well-researched mainstream biography of Mengele to date.” Considered by whom, the publisher? Because Marwell shows that the survivors are lying? Not hard to do! [I recommend this accomplished article: https://jan27.org/the-making-of-a-monster-how-jews-created-the-mengele-legend/%5D

    Moving on from the Mengele “hook” to try to flesh out his title, Striker wants us to take the forever-lying, totally Jewish USHMM as an authority on Majdanek. It was known a long time ago that there were no homicidal gas chambers at Majdanek and that the Soviets simply made up lies saying there were, just like they did at Auschwitz. That the USHMM is belatedly admitting the error, while continuing to enforce all their other errors about the “Reinhardt” camps, is not reason to celebrate anything. When Striker says “In recent years” he really should say “Thirty years ago …” because that’s how far back it goes.

    “If you’ve noticed that the Holocaust story appears more centered around Auschwitz than usual, it’s because this is the last straw Holocaustians have to grasp on.”

    He’s 100% wrong about this. In actuality, the holocaustians are trying to spread the crime away from Auschwitz, especially to the above-mentioned “Reinhardt” camps and the over-blown Einsatzgruppen killings in Russia. And it is because Auschwitz has become a very weak link in regard to “homicidal gas chambers.” He says, “we are beginning to see official omissions.” They are only moving things around so they can continue using the magic 6 million number. It requires real knowledge supplied by the revisionists to see through the sleight of hand, not following the latest changes made by the keepers of the holohoax.

    Striker then goes after Netanyahu for siding with Russia’s Putin in the latest disagreement about who suffered the most victimization, and says it’s about Syria and Iran. He ends with:

    At this point, it’s not a question of historical accuracy but of power. And only power can check power. We are living in the last days of the Holohoax.

    Did he supply any reason to believe that last sentence? What “power” is checking the Jewish power? Putin’s? Poland’s? Hardly. And he doesn’t make that case. But of course it depends on what is meant by “the last days.” It could be said we’ve been living in “the last days of the holohoax” since 1948 when Maurice Bardeche published the first revisionist book “Nuremberg or the Promised Land.” Read it here: https://jan27.org/nuremberg-or-the-promised-land-by-maurice-bardeche/

    Also read my article on The End of Auschwitz here: https://jan27.org/are-we-nearing-the-end-of-auschwitz/

  278. Mulegino1 says:
    @Father O'Hara

    “Did,for example,the hand switching experiments yield any useful data?”

    That is a good question, and we need a more even handed appraisal of such claims.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  279. Ron Unz says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Is an Anatoly Karlin an “ignorant half-wit” in your estimation? His take on your Holocaust revisionism is similar to mine. Maybe you could replace him with Mike Pienovich. How about Greg Cochran, another “ignorant half-wit” according to you? He’s not too impressed with your Holocaust revisionism either.

    LOL. Well, one of the other commenters noted Karlin’s rather sweeping disclaimer:

    I have not read any of the serious literature specifically on the Holocaust, though I have read a lot on WW2. To be frank I don’t find Jews or the Holocaust to be terribly interesting in general.

    As for Cochran, he’s just a total laughingstock, clearly terrified out of his wits about this particular topic. As I recall, after I published my big 2018 Holocaust article, he ferociously denounced “Deniers” on his blog, claiming that all the many millions of Jewish bodies disappeared because everyone knows that dead Jewish bodies are subject to “spontaneous combustion.” I think one or two of his commenters were a bit skeptical about that.

    I’m not sure I’ve ever heard of that Pienovich fellow.

    Basically, you strike me as just a typically-ignorant rightwing dimwit, who spends his time spouting off on Twitter about the latest controversy he saw on FoxNews. But lots and lots of the smarter and more knowledgeable rightwingers are just absolutely terrified of getting purged and losing their (meager and tenuous) sources of income, so they just say the most ridiculous things in order to try and preserve themselves. Also, if they happened to take a trip to Europe, they could be immediately arrested and thrown into prison, as happened to world famous historian David Irving.

    Back in the old USSR, educated people often had to say equally ridiculous things about Soviet agriculture or genetics for much the same reason.

  280. @Mike P

    Actually, that’s what they now say, without giving any real reason: that the Germans used gas engines, not diesel. It reminds me of the scene in 1984, when the party functionary is haranguing a crowd about the war against Eurasia. He’s handed a slip of paper, and without missing a beat, starts on about the war against East Asia.

    • Agree: Mike P
    • Replies: @Mike P
  281. @Mulegino1

    Diesel exhaust contains more oxygen than carbon monoxide.

    Which does not matter.  CO is acutely toxic at levels as low as 100 ppm.  It kills by binding to hemoglobin and blocking uptake of oxygen.

    /technical_nit

    • Replies: @Alfred
    , @Mulegino1
  282. anon[837] • Disclaimer says:

    It seems that Jewish controlled social media platforms, while being hypersensitive snowflakes about criticism of blacks and themselves, either encourage or tolerate anti-Asian racism. People making jokes and comments about Asians, using the coronavirus as an excuse, that would not be tolerated about any other people. So please forgive me if I could give two shits about the Holohoax, which most likely did not even happen. Fuck all you kikes and anybody who supports you.

  283. @Mulegino1

    I literally laughed out loud at this.  Thanks for my first good chuckle of the day.

    • Agree: davidgmillsatty
    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
  284. utu says:
    @Carolyn Yeager

    I agree with your assessment of Striker’s article. Holocaust is not going anywhere. Some adjustment in the total number may take palce, say, 3.5-4 mln. The center of gravity is being moved East (Reinhardt” camps plus Einsatzgruppen). Perhaps Auschwitz will take a hit: lowering the number to below 1 mln, however they will not give up on gas chambers narrative, because, (1) it is too important for the canonical Holocaust narrative, (2) the revisionists have no means to dislodge it and (3) gassings took place in Auschwitz.

  285. @Dave Pinsen

    Yes, when I want the truth, I always go to the CIA too.

    Well, they should know about Al Qaeda. They created it.

    Look, what your friend said might have been true. The stupidity is strong in the Middle East. It seems really, really stupid, though, for anyone to think dropping a few buildings would collapse the United States.

    Then again, Japan was manipulated into attacking Pearl Harbor and had to know that was like kicking a hornets’ nest, waking the proverbial giant.

    Personally, I think 911 was done by Porsche drivers parked behind The Grassy Knoll.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
  286. Mike P says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    The eternally shape-shifting narrative – the surest sign of a hoax. But gas is still not plausible – too valuable, and not near as high in CO as is wood gas. Maybe we should point this out to them and get our reward.

  287. annamaria says:
    @JessicaR

    “The moral perspective of Holocaust deniers seems skewed…”

    — Any thoughts about tortures of Palestinian children in Israeli prisons? How about shooting the Palestinians for fun by the “most moral” IDF?

    The problem with zionists is that they demand special attention to the atrocities committed during WWII while committing the same atrocities today, which is morally ten-fold more reprehensible considering the holobiz museums and the harsh persecution of honest researchers in WWII.

    The “moral perspective” of Holocaust supporters is to support any and all holo-numbers aired by holobiz, by any means. This is indeed a “skewed” perspective considering the deeply dishonest mafia-like treatment of those historians who do not keep the zionists’ line. The firm belief in the infallibility of any Jewish person leads to a slippery slope. Look at your former and current prime-ministers and their self-identification with terrorists. What’s the point of lecturing goyim about morality when the whole zionist movement is devoid of decency? Try to reform yourself first before attacking other people.

    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20190329-report-95-of-palestinian-children-detained-by-israel-were-tortured/
    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-israel-tortures-palestinian-children-amnesty-report-says-1.5440012
    https://www.haaretz.com/.premium-israel-tortured-palestinian-children-1.5283333

  288. @Dave Pinsen

    Assuming your data are valid, I still don’t think they necessarily demonstrate your point.

    For a variety of reasons, detainees confined in prison camps or ghettos would constitute a specially vulnerable and disadvantaged population. The physical health effects of confinement in a harsh environment on an increasingly limited diet would lead to a greatly enhanced susceptibility to infectious diseases of all kinds and to a decreased ability to to survive such infections.

    At the same time, during a period where the general population was facing intense privation, the detained population would not have access to the enhanced diet and good quality medical care required to aid their recovery and prevent the rapid spread of infectious diseases. Such resources, to the extent that they were available, would be allocated to other high priority groups, such as soldiers and workers, or to more vulnerable groups within the general population, such as women and children.

    Consequently, the cited gross disparity in mortality rates between Jewish and non-Jewish populations in Poland may have causes other than a deliberate and systematic policy of annihilation. That is, perhaps, my central point, that modern warfare, waged in order to win at all costs, can lead to the partial or total annihilation of populations, and that it is vulnerable sub-groups who suffer first and suffer most.

    An example might be the children of Iraq, who died in great numbers as a result of sanctions, a weapon of war much favoured by the British throughout the 20th century, imposed by the civilised countries of the Western alliance, with consequences that were forseeable and forseen, and therefore one might conclude intended.

    What happened in Germany and the occupied territories was, in my view, a human tragedy. To avoid similar tragedies we need to fully understand how and why they happen.

    • Agree: NoseytheDuke
  289. Popeye says:
    @Felix Krull

    From what I’ve read the Vans were initially used to euthanize persons with severe physical and mental disability including adults and children. WWI vets were spared as I recalled. This program was in [email protected] to @1939 and took @3-5 thousand lives. German govt ended program after severe protests from both Protestant and Catholic churches including criticism at Sunday service. I believe however that most killed under this program received lethal morphine doses and gas van deaths were much lower, being primarily experimental.

    • Replies: @Fox
  290. Trinity says:

    This is 2020 for gawds sakes, who gives two shits about the “holocaust?” lolol. Anyone remember back in the 1970’s, the 1980s, the 1990s, the 2000’s and the 2010’s when some so-called leftard anti-White racist who identified themselves as an “anti-racist” would say, “this is 1986 for God’s sake why are we still talking about “racism,” or “this is 2002 for God’s sake why are we still talking about “racism?”

    Jews/Communists/Bolsheviks/Zionist or whatever you wish to call them had organized boycotts against Germany and had sought to takeover Germany the same way they had taken over in the old Soviet Union. Last time I checked things out, The Ukrainian Genocide occurred in 1932-1933 and Hitler was appointed Chancellor in 1933. So I see no difference in Germany defending itself from Jews/Communists/Bolsheviks/Zionists or whatever you wish to call them than America defending itself against the Japanese after the attack at Pearl Harbor, not that I buy the Pearl Harbor narrative that we have been told, but just using it as an example.

    Now everyone knows that the old Soviet Union back in the day was top heavy at the top with Jewish leaders such as Genrikh Yagoda and Lazar Kaganovich, why these two mass murderers escape being demonized is pretty much yet another sign of a controlled narrative of the history we are taught in school. Anyhow, would not the Germans have the right to protect themselves against an army who wished to exterminate them or imprison them? If indeed these concentration camps were just that, concentration camps, no different than the English used against the Boers in the early 1900’s or any other prisoner of war camps used during the Civil War in which Union and Confederate soldiers both alike suffered and died, what makes this story so special? Why does Germany continue to have to pay for something that happened so long ago, IF it even happened as described. WHY isn’t Israel or the Jewish population paying reparations to Ukraine and the Ukrainian population? Are the Japanese paying reparations to China and the Chinese? Germany was not even the aggressor in WWII, it was defending itself, everyone of God’s creatures from a cockroach to even “evil Nazis” have a GOD GIVEN RIGHT to defend themselves or do they?

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
  291. @Mike P

    This is so true. If one can see clearly, then what you said becomes evident.

  292. annamaria says:
    @melpol

    “They [Jewish revolutionists] attempted to turn Czarist Russia into a Western-style Democracy.”

    — This is a lie of an ignoramus. There were scores of Russians who had been working hard for several decades to bringing the Russin empire to a level of European states. You need to learn about zemstvos, Witte, Stolypin and the likes before spouting your nonsense on the Unz forum. Learn about the Moscow School of Mathematics, Tsiolkovsky, Mendeleev, the Silver Age in the fine arts, the successes of Russians engineers and architects before WWI, the dramatic increase in the peasants’ population…

    The rootless and obnoxious Jewish Bolsheviks (who formed the core of both the secret police and administration of concentration camps, the GULAG) cared not about Russian culture and Russian people. This why the victorious Bolsheviks had initiated, at once, a policy of the extermination of the best among the Russians: the nobility, clergy, intelligentsia, able peasants and merchants. The Bolsheviks’ assault on the Russian genetic pool was the biggest crime of the 20th century.

    “Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn (1918-2008), Nobel-Prize-winning novelist, historian and critic of Communist totalitarianism:” https://archive.org/details/SolzhenitsynYouMustUnderstandTheLeadingBolsheviksWhoTookOverRussiaWereNotRussians

    You must understand. The leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated the Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured and slaughtered millions of Russians without a shred of human remorse. The October Revolution was not what you call in America the “Russian Revolution.” It was an invasion and conquest over the Russian people. More of my countrymen suffered horrific crimes at their bloodstained hands than any people or nation ever suffered in the entirety of human history. It cannot be understated. Bolshevism was the greatest human slaughter of all time. The fact that most of the world is ignorant of this reality is proof that the global media itself is in the hands of the perpetrators.

    Your ignorance is the fruit of the Jewish tribe’s efforts.

    • Replies: @Beau Nydle
    , @melpol
    , @Leo
  293. annamaria says:
    @PeterMX

    Before we go for special sympathies for Bandera and Banderites, why don’t we focus on the demonization of Russians by Chrystia Freeland Nuland-Kagan, Karl Gershman and other “purists”?

    The Banderites of today welcome the collaboration with ziocons. The Banderites have been financed and armed by zionists, from Kolomojsky to Knesset.

    Agree that the ziocon scoundrels — Nuland-Kagan, Karl Gershman and such — must be reminded continuously of certain Lazar Kaganovich, the right hand of and possible successor to Stalin. Kaganovich was the leading figure during Holodomor. He lived to very old age in comfort, in Moscow, despite the tribe’s wailing about antisemitism in Russia. During Holodomor, members of Ukrainian secret police were predominantly Jewish; it was their murderous policies that resulted in the horrific death of millions of Ukrainians. Agree with you that the tribe must take responsibility for the Ukrainian genocide.

    • Replies: @PeterMX
  294. PeterMX says:
    @Carolyn Yeager

    Carolyn, I never said that Unz Review was the last word on anything and I never said that Ron Unz did any pioneering work on the holocaust or even that his website focuses on holocaust revisinism. I’m aware TOO does not like to publish holocaust revisionist comments, although they published one from me not long ago. I still consider it and Counter Currents as German friendly. When I consider so many that despise the Germans, I’ll accept that. In addition, they don’t post anything in suppport of the holocaust. I welcome that and we have a different standard as to what is a good website. You are more demanding than me. That’s alright, but I have my opinion on their work and why they take the positions they do.

    • Replies: @Carolyn Yeager
  295. Wally says:
    @utu

    Lot of hot air, but no proof whatsoever.

    – Please present your proof for “gassings”.
    – Please tell us how your ‘gas chambers’ supposedly worked.
    – Please show the alleged human remains supposedly in known locations that are attributed to both the impossible ‘gas chambers and the Einsatzgruppen’

    The Big Lie has already been “dislodged”:

    The Rudolf Report / Expert Report on Chemical and Technical Aspects of the ‘Gas Chambers’ of Auschwitz: http://vho.org/GB/Books/trr/index.html
    ‘Some Technical and Chemical Considerations about the ‘Gas Chambers’ of Auschwitz and Birkenau’, by Master Chemist Germar Rudolf: http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndgcger.html

    – photo from ‘Surviving Treblinka’, by Samuel Willenberg.

    It is captioned: “crane lifting corpses destined for cremation”.
    Does anyone see any “corpses”?

    • Agree: the grand wazoo
    • Replies: @Haxo Angmark
    , @anon
    , @Anonymous
  296. @annamaria

    Magnificent reply. The Unz Review comment section is as enjoyable to read as the compositions that inspire them.

  297. @Carolyn Yeager

    Sorry about the bad link to the Mengele article at jan27.org. I don’t know how that %5D got attached to the end, but if you remove it, the link will work.

  298. @utu

    Perhaps Auschwitz will take a hit: lowering the number to below 1 mln,

    That’s already happened. Holocaust historian in good standing David Cesarani has put the Auschwitz death number at 900,000 in his 2016 book Final Solution.

    the revisionists have no means to dislodge [the Auschwitz gas chamber narrative]

    They have done so long ago! The facts are clear, even if you choose to deny them.

    gassings took place in Auschwitz.

    Prove it. Believers can’t prove it except with nonsensical survivor stories – why are there so many survivors? Revisionists have proven (Leuchter Report and Rudolf Report) there were no homicidal gassings at Auschwitz-Birkenau. Can you refute their findings? Why are there not massive amounts of bones or ashes that would need to be there if such a thing happened?

    • Replies: @utu
  299. melpol says:
    @annamaria

    There is no need to understand evolutionary history to grasp the essence of reality. Political categories do not define a person. No Jew was ever a Communist or Bolshevik though many belonged to the party. Lenin, Stalin, or even Trump has their egotistical and selfish needs. All were capable of jumping ship. I as a Jew belong to the Republican Party, but still go with the flow. There might one day be a need for me to become a Fascist or Communist, but I will always remain a Jew.

    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @mikesmith
  300. GeeBee says:
    @Saggy

    The first photograph you include carries the caption ‘Jews who were classified as “not fit for work” waiting in a grove outside Crematorium IV before they were to be gassed. At this point, the Jews were exhausted and in a state of shock from the horrors of the journey and the selection process that they had just endured. The vast majority had no idea what fate awaited them.’

    Actually, the photograph is one of 158 pictures from the private album of an SS guard, many of which I have in my collection. If you look at it carefully you will see that the group, so far from being ‘outside Crematorium IV’, is rather clearly outside the camp perimeter (note the tall, undisturbed grass and spring flowers – not a feature of the internal areas of the camp) and that they seem not so much to be awaiting death, but to be enjoying a picnic. Three of them are holding food in their hands, while the little girl at the rear is holding a bottle of drink, and a cloth is spread on the ground with more food upon it. It is very like others from this same collection, that show inmates smiling and often gathered outside the camp gate (which was usually open to permit the many workers to come and go). Your example of this innocent photograph being more or less hijacked in order to support the absurd propaganda, more than 75 years after it was first spread around in order to ‘justify’ the whole foul and criminal Allied enterprise that is the unnecessary and vastly destructive tragedy we know as World War II, is precisely this sort of projection of the guilt of the perpetrators onto the relatively innocent – certainly the true victim – that was National Socialist Germany. It is a sad and pathetic attempt to use manufactured distortions and lies in order to prop up the whole Auschwitz mythology. The SS officer who took that picture also took others of similar groups enjoying themselves. I wish I knew how to post pictures on the reply box, as I’d dearly love to show some more from my collection of this same album.

    • Agree: Saggy
    • Replies: @Saggy
    , @Genrick Yagoda
  301. annamaria says:
    @utu

    They make a profitable business on Auschwitz’s lies by marketing the camp as a tourist attraction. Some $30 to go through brainwashing. As usual, the tribal lack of any shame.

    The persistence of the profitable lies: https://www.ht.lu.se/media/utbildning/dokument/kurser/SASH65/20171/The_Problem_of_the_Gas_Chambers.pdf

  302. Ron Unz says:
    @Carolyn Yeager

    First, I have to note that a major error in Striker’s essay concerning his characterization of David Irving – saying Auschwitz was the only gassing center when Irving states just the opposite – was removed by Ron Unz at the request of author Eric Striker, after readers pointed out Striker’s mistake.See comment #133.

    Actually, I think it’s possible that Striker’s mistake may have been more along the lines of a careless typo rather than anything else. Again, I’m no huge expert on the current state of the Holocaust debate, but my impression is that both Irving and Cole are pretty well-known for rejecting the conventional Auschwitz story, but (under gigantic pressure) eventually coming around to accepting major elements of the rest of the narrative.

    So it seems possible that the author meant to insert a “not” or an “only” somewhere, thus reversing the meaning of those sentences, which I think would have made them (roughly) correct. But obviously, such a careless mistake on a touchy subject was an embarrassing one, and he asked me to just remove the entire passage.

    Incidentally, that David Cole fellow really seems pretty excitable and this article apparently “triggered” him. He sent me a series of rather angry and agitated notes, sufficiently “odd” that I’d suspect that he suffers from some psychological problems. From the little I know of his past history, that wouldn’t particularly surprise me…

  303. Popeye says:

    As general input both the Nuremberg and Tokyo war crimes trials identified three major offenses in the various charging documents against German and Japanese ranking officials and top military officers…1. planning or waging aggressive war…2. planning or committing war crimes…4. planning or committing crimes against humanity. In an interesting development since then military force against civilian populated areas…big cities..must go against military and strategic targets and avoid/minimize civilian casualties to the greatest extent feasible. The upshot is that using nuclear weapons against Moscow or Shanghai or Calcutta or London or Paris or NYC or other large civilian areas would be a crime against humanity unless civilian casualties could be minimized as fully as possible. Largely impossible using non theater nuclear warheads

  304. Saggy says: • Website
    @GeeBee

    I wish I knew how to post pictures on the reply box, as I’d dearly love to show some more from my collection of this same album.

    All you need to do is create a free account at imgur.com and upload the pics. Imgur.com provides a url for each picture, include the url for a pic in the comment and the picture will appear.

    • Replies: @Mike P
  305. Mike P says:
    @Saggy

    All you need to do is create a free account at imgur.com

    https://postimages.org/ lets you post images anonymously.

  306. utu says:
    @Carolyn Yeager

    “The facts are clear, even if you choose to deny them.” – The deniers of the deniers have their facts. Their facts are all over the information space while your facts are believed by very few. So my prediction that the revisionist can’t and won’t dislodge the Auschwitz gas chamber narrative stands.

    “Believers can’t prove it except with nonsensical survivor stories ” – There are many survivors who are not nonsensical particularly those who wrote their stories right after war when it was not profitable and not cool at all, when people were ashamed to speak of being to Auschwitz, when there was no Holocaust industry yet. See books by Zofia Kossak, Seweryna Szmaglewska, Krystyna Zywulska published in 1945-1946. Only the latter was Jewish though she did not disclose it until 1960s. Read two reports (Report W (1943) and Report (1945)) by Witold Pilecki.

    “Can you refute their findings?” – I think I can. I certainly can undermine them. Most likely I have already done it so in various discussions here at the UR during last three years.

  307. Vaterland says:
    @Ron Unz

    For what it’s worth: the worst fears white nationalists sell to convince normies of the necessity of their ideology, were our actual realities. Ordered, committed and enabled by the very states or in their full knowledge from which these white nationalists come; against all political realities: when an invading army of butchers comes to your door, in your neighborhood, in your living room, outside your window. When you are lucky you will only be dispossed of everything you have and deported like animals, like live stock in cargo trains. When you are not so lucky you are gang raped and you may “ins Wasser gehen”, “go into the water”. And when you meet your regular fate you are beaten to death, discarded like human trash, shot, tortured, raped to death and worse. And then you are educated by their governments that YOU are the synthetic evil of humanity and that the Morgenthau and Kaufman Plan were actually reasonable and measured (this was directly said to me). While of course nothing compares to the suffering of Jews, YOU, the German Untermensch, definetely deserved to be exterminated.

    White nationalism is simply ahistoric and bizarre to me.

  308. annamaria says:
    @melpol

    “There is no need to understand evolutionary history to grasp the essence of reality. ”

    — Sounds like a song for ziocons’ ears. Reject the factual information on the genocidal activities of Jewish revolutionaries in Russia and the genocidal policies of ziocons in the Middle East and, tangentially, in Europe. Instead, zionists demand reverence (and monetary “compensations”) for lies and inventions that suit the zionists’ agenda. Again, why honest historians are prohibited (under the penalty of imprisonment) to investigate the Auschwitz “inventions”?
    https://ww2gravestone.com/ilya-ehrenburg-the-leading-soviet-propagandist-of-the-second-world-war/
    https://nationalvanguard.org/2016/03/ilya-ehrenberg-the-man-who-invented-the-six-million/

    Ilya Ehrenberg – The Man Who Invented The ‘Six Million’

    He was a prolific writer, celebrated author of various novels and other works of fiction. He was the top Soviet propagandist during the Second World War. He was a notorious liar and a pathological monster. He was a Jew.

    As a a leading member of the Soviet-sponsored Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee, Ilya Ehrenburg appeared at fund-raising rallies in the United States, raising support for the Communist cause while displaying fake bars of soap allegedly manufactured by the Germans from the corpses of dead Jews.

    But Ehrenburg was perhaps most notorious for his viciously anti-German hate propaganda in World War II. In it, he exhorted Soviet troops to kill all Germans they encountered without pity.

    In one leaflet entitled “Kill,” Ehrenburg incited the simple Russian soldier to treat the Germans as subhuman. The final paragraph concludes:

    “The Germans are not human beings. From now on, the word ‘German’ is the most horrible curse. From now on, the word ‘German’ strikes us to the quick. We have nothing to discuss. We will not get excited. We will kill. If you have not killed at least one German a day, you have wasted that day … If you cannot kill a German with a bullet, then kill him with your bayonet. If your part of the front is quiet and there is no fighting, then kill a German in the meantime … If you have already killed a German, then kill another one – there is nothing more amusing to us than a heap of German corpses. Don’t count the days, don’t count the kilometers. Count only one thing: the number of Germans you have killed. Kill the Germans! … – Kill the Germans! Kill!”

    • Replies: @melpol
  309. @Mulegino1

    You must have missed my earlier post linking Yenkel Wiernek’s book. As we read in Yenkel’s work:

    QUOTE It turned out that bodies of women burned more easily than those of men. Accordingly, the bodies of women were used for kindling the fires……..When corpses of pregnant women were cremated, their bellies would burst open. The fetus would be exposed and could be seen burning inside the mother’s womb………..

    This is the way in which he got the inferno started. He put a machine for exhuming the corpses into operation, an excavator which could dig up 3,000 corpses at one time. A fire grate made of railroad tracks was placed on concrete foundations 100 to 150 meters in length. The workers piled the corpses on the grate and set them on fire……..Thus the Jews were of some use to them even after they had died. Though the winter weather was bitter cold, the pyres gave off heat like an oven. This heat came from the burning bodies of Jews. END QUOTE

    So as you can plainly see, Jews are inflammable. No need at all for firewood.

    • Replies: @Mulegino1
  310. @ploni almoni

    OBTW, as long as I’m thinking about this… would a Jew create this meme?

  311. @Mulegino1

    But there were found at Majdanek the clothes of about 2 million Jews at its liberation. Hence the reason why it was estimated that many Jews were killed there. In particular, there were HUGE stockpiles of old shoes at Majdanek from about 2 million Jews.

    Contrary to what most people think, there was never a very large percentage of Jews sent to work or concentration camps. The vast bulk of the Jews were sent into ghettos in the General Government (the parts of prewar Poland not annexed to the Reich). And then those ghettos were cleared out – thousands per day and sent to AR camps. The AR camps were small and didn’t have room for anymore than some few thousands at a time (if that). Their clothes were sent to Majdanek; so where did the Germans send these naked Jews from these AR camps? The majority of the ghetto inhabitants were unfit for work – as stated by Buehler in the minutes of the Wannsee conference:

    https://www.yadvashem.org/docs/wannsee-conference-protocol.html

    The ghettos were cleared thousands per day. Everyone knew this at the time. Everyone knew at the time when those ghettos were essentially completely empty of any Jews. It is known fairly well that there were plenty of Jews in those ghettos before being transported out and virtually none afterward. And their belongings ended up at Majdanek.

    No one has a clue where the vast bulk of those Jews ended up if they were not slaughtered. The known transports elsewhere don’t add up to much. And there are no records or even logic to justify any claim that millions of unfit for work Jews were settled somewhere else.

    Confusion at the time about engine types, pit sizes, etc is no answer to what happened to those Jews. Those confusions have the possibility of being cleared up.

  312. Trinity says:

    NOBODY has to prove what or what didn’t happen in Auschwitz nor do we HAVE to keep harping about ANCIENT HISTORY. It is HIGH TIME that we stop allowing ANCIENT HISTORY to be held against Germans and apparently even non-German Whites must somehow feel shame for this event. Yep, even if you or your grandpappy were the so-called, “good guys” who helped free these poor innocent souls from those “evil homicidal Nazi maniacs,” you have to bow your head in shame, never mind the Holodomor, the Armenian Genocide, even the one genocide that White Americans committed, the Native American Genocide, these atrocities shalt not be held above the sacred, “holocaust.” WHY on earth a “holocaust” museum is in America is anybody’s guess and why we have to watch countless documentaries, movies, on American television or in American theaters, or be mandated to read books that are obvious ridiculous in their claims and are passed off as “history” to be drilled into a young American child’s head. WHY Americans have to learn about an event that played no significant role in OUR history is beyond me. Well, perhaps it did play a significant role considering the current politics that rule this once great nation. Think about it for a minute, as an American, would you not question WHY the HistoryChannel chose to run nonstop programming about the Armenian Genocide 24/7/365, or WHY “our” media makes it a point to never let you forget about an event in history that happened thousands of miles away from America over 70 friggin’ years ago?

  313. @GeeBee

    They did the same with The Auschwitz Album. Perfectly normal German men and women working during wartime, trying to make life as normal as was possible under the circumstances.

    All it takes is to add some ominous caption to a perfectly innocent photo and suddenly a smiling 22 year old girl is turned into a blood dripping monster. At least as long as the “holocaust” is involved.

  314. kikl says:
    @utu

    ” There are many survivors who are not nonsensical…”

    Do you mean survivors who claim to be eye witnesses of homicidal gassings?

    I have read around 30 or more tales of these survivers. Each and every one was non sensical. The holocaust orthodoxy usually points to the testimony of Henryk Tauber, when pressed to determine the most reliable testimony.

    Tauber claims to have operated crematory for months, but he didn’ t notice that corpses do not burn like wood on their own.

    That’s like someone who drove a car for months and didn’t notice that he has to refule.

    Thus, Tauber’s testimony is ridiculous. He is your best eye witness!

    The Pilecki report is complete rubbish, this is how he described gassings:

    “Fleger colleagues, who on the next removed the dead bodies, told that it was a macabre picture – even for them. People were so packed that they were unable to fall down in the moment of their death. Leaning one against another, they had their hands so interlaced that it was difficult to tear their bodies from one another.”

    1. This is hearsay. 2. This is ridiculous.

    http://witoldsreport.blogspot.com/2008/05/volunteer-for-auschwitz-report-by.html

    • Replies: @utu
  315. Blankaerd says:
    @Wally

    What “hunger plan” are you referring to. Please present this “plan”. We await.

    Sure. Visit this thread and read all posts by Roberto, he gives countless references to primary German sources about the deliberate starvation policy in the East. Sometimes from prominent figures such as Keitel. Thread is a bit long so it may take you a while to read, but you’ll find all the answer you need there.

    https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=20050

    That’s a blatant, laughable lie. Sanitary conditions were in place from the beginning

    Obviously not to satisfaction, why else would camp commanders, inspectors, guards and doctors complain about atrocious conditions? They obviously did not maintain a very hygienic regime until mid-1942.

    What, you think the Germans wanted to unnecessarily expose their troops to diseases?

    No, but I wasn’t talking about German troops, now was I?

    You mention the Einsatzgruppen who were engaged in legal activities against non-uniformed combatants. The Allies did the same thing.

    Your point being? That doesn’t mean Einsatzgruppen didn’t also murder innocents in their quest to hunt down partisans and communists. Like I said, reprisals on both sides could be brutal and end up in the deaths of countless innocents.

    However, the claim is that the Einsatzgruppen ‘murdered’ at least 2,000,000 people.

    That is not what I claimed.

    The fact is that illegal Allied bombing / strafing of food & medical transports into the labor camps contribute mightily to the problem. A problem that ravaged the Allies and much of Europe, east & west, during the war

    Yeah, no so much during 1940-1942 though.

  316. Mulegino1 says:
    @Genrick Yagoda

    Sorry I missed your post!

    As you point out, according to the big H-Legend, Jewish corpses are inflammable, and their flames are also color coded so that when female corpses are burned, the smoke is one color, and when male corpses burn, another. Also, according to Wiernik, unlike the rest of humanity, Jewish corpses do not turn cherry red when they fall victim to carbon monoxide poisoning, but yellow. And whereas virtually all other human beings turn pinkish red when they are poisoned by cyanide, Jews turn blue. That is, according to the eyewitnesses. And as is well known, eyewitness testimony- especially that elicited by Soviet interrogators- trumps all physical and authentic documentary evidence by leaps and bounds.

  317. melpol says:
    @annamaria

    Call me a Cynic but most men will become executioners or Saviors of the poor. It all depends on circumstances. My job as a court stenographer witnessed criminals who turned in their accomplice so they could be set free. As a soldier I seen war crimes that would shock even a Cynic. But I also seen kindness coming from a wealthy old lady. The Jew Ehrenburg if he was employed by Hitler would reverse his Ideology and demand no Soviet prisoners should be taken. It all depends on situation in the way a person behaves. We all try to protect our own skin.

    • Replies: @Vaterland
    , @annamaria
  318. Robjil says:

    The “power of 6” is what all this 6 million is all about. 6 is a big Jewish voodoo symbol. 600000 perfect souls left Egypt to go to Israel in the Torah. 600000 souls are considered the perfect souls in Judaism. Ten is the number of Yahweh’s Tree of Life, the Sephiroth. Ten times the “perfect souls number” makes the 6 million.

    http://zionismunveiled.blogspot.com/2009/10/6-million-kabbalistic-number.html

    Ben Weintraub’s 1995 book, Holocaust Dogma Of Judaism, fully explores and explains the Kabalistic gematria and occultism involved in the number. 6,000,000 is the number of perfect souls times ten, and ten is number of the Sephiroth, the divine emanations of G_d as seen in the Kabala.

    https://www.chabad.org/kabbalah/article_cdo/aid/380372/jewish/600000-Souls-600000-Letters.htm

    The word “Israel” means there are six hundred thousand letters in Torah. Thus, six hundred souls matched the Torah’s letter count who left Egypt to go to Israel.

    The word “Israel” can be read as an acronym for “Yesh Shishim Ribo Otiot LaTorah”, meaning: “There are six hundred thousand letters in the Torah”. Therefore, Israel did not leave Egypt until there were six hundred thousand of them, in order for each soul to be “supported” by one letter in the Torah, as we have written in a number of places.

    There is a lot “power of 6” voodoo at the Washington Holocaust Museum.

    http://zionismunveiled.blogspot.com/2009/10/6-million-kabbalistic-number.html

    The superstitious ‘power’ of ‘six’ in the Jewish mind can be found, for example, in the fact that the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington D.C. was purposely designed so that the display floors of photographs and artifacts of the Permanent Exhibition cover a space of 36,000 square feet. In ‘Gematria’ it is understood that this represents six thousand multiplied by six thousand. At the end of the tour the visitor enters the six thousand square foot Hall of Remembrance, which has six sides symbolising the six-pointed Star of David, and the six ‘extermination’ camps where ‘Six Million’ Jews were slaughtered. One can also find there a collection of six thousand children’s hand-painted tiles. Yaffa Sonenson, a member of the U.S. Holocaust Commission donated, according to a sympathetic review of the museum penned by Barbara Beckwith for the online St. Anthony Messenger, a collection of six thousand photographs.

    We have all been living under Jewish Voodoo symbolism rule for the past 75 years. It has been a tough time for critical thinkers.

    • Replies: @MrFoSquare
  319. @Wally

    actually, that Treblinka death camp crane is dumping dirt on top of “something” in a pit.

    You and I both know what that something is. The difference between us

    is that, unlike you, I put facts ahead of an anti-Jew agenda.

  320. utu says:
    @kikl

    “This is hearsay.” – You think that if you invoke the word ‘hearsay’ which apparently must have some amagic powers to you, you can dismiss reality? First of all we are not in court of law but even if we were “The Federal Rules of Evidence (FRE) contains nearly thirty of these exceptions to providing hearsay evidence.”

    There are twenty-three exceptions in the federal rules that allow for out-of-court statements to be admitted as evidence even if the person made them is available to appear in court. However, only a handful of these are regularly used. The three most popularly used exceptions are:

    1. Present Sense Impression. A hearsay statement may be allowed if it describes or explains an event or condition and was made during the event or immediately after it.

    2. Excited Utterance. Closely related to the present sense impression is the hearsay exception for an excited utterance. The requirements for this exception to apply is that there must have been a startling event and the declarant made the statement while under the excitement or stress of the event.

    3. Then-Existing Mental, Emotional, or Physical Condition. A statement that is not offered for the truth of the statement, but rather to show the state of mind, emotion or physical condition can be an exception to the rule against hearsay evidence. For instance, testimony that there was a heated argument can be offered to show anger and not for what was said.

    Hearsay Exceptions if the Declarant is Unavailable to Testify in Court…

    Catchall Exception to the Rule against Hearsay…

    • Replies: @davidgmillsatty
  321. @PeterMX

    You’re right – checking back I see you didn’t. You were talking about holocaust revisionism for a couple paragraphs and suddenly switched at the end to “[At Unz] and other top websites like The Occidental Observer, Counter Currents and others, the best and most highly educated and intelligent people now oppose the ruling “elite”. And it’s very good that there are some decent Jews like Ron Unz, Gilad Atzmon (actually, no longer Jewish) and Paul Eisen that are for truth and justice too.” (my bolding)

    It’s hard to say what this is supposed to mean in the context of this thread, but you have now made the comment that TOO and C-C are “German friendly.” I disagree, as both are entirely pro-Anglo American worldview and have no use for National Socialist Germany. What is Germany to them? The Federal Republic, established in 1949! Greg Johnson, and certainly Kevin MacDonald, make it crystal clear they believe in the Holocaust. Why? There reason has nothing to do with “truth” but with with selling their books. I am blocked from C-C but I follow TOO consistently and have never seen anything “German-friendly” there other than in a comment here and there! (Some by me.) But for you it doesn’t require that to be a “good website,” even among the very best.

    When you say “they don’t post anything in supportof the holocaust,” well, yes they do – they have. But still, that is a cringeworthy statement coming from you.

    I sincerely thank you for your considerate replies. I took the time to look up some of your comments on other articles that I don’t read, and it was instructive. You are a big fan of President Putin. I can understand that, but there is a big disconnect between supporting Putin and supporting holocaust revisionism. It is my belief that the lack of support from high-profile white activists is the reason revisionism can be so abused. For what he does, Ron Unz does deserve a lot of credit.

    • Replies: @PeterMX
  322. Vaterland says:
    @melpol

    The Jew Ehrenburg if he was employed by Hitler would reverse his Ideology and demand no Soviet prisoners should be taken.

    Maybe, maybe not. But he wasn’t. I suppose your thoughts echo the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment. On authority, obedience, social roles and peer pressure. Along the lines of “the banality of evil”. And how ordinary men can be brought to do the most sadistic war crimes. Thoughts Hannah Arendt also spread. Nevertheless, it is, as if Ehrenburg had never existed and if you compared Ehrenburg to Nazi X you might find yourself at the other side of a hate crime charge.

    I think, one of Ron Unz’s main thesis stands: Jews, defined as the 20th century’s greatest victims, were among its greatest mass murderers. And yet we, especially white Europeans and us Germans, are supposed to live with a criminal, injust and evil order that is based on —

    That’s not morality. Just power.

    • Replies: @melpol
  323. @Ron Unz

    Since the entire paragraph was removed, I couldn’t re-read it and only had a loose remembrance of what it actually said, although I did reject it as soon as I read it the first time. So I know it was wrong.
    But I couldn’t make any kind of judgment as to it being a typo. Could be. In that case one would think he would just ask you to correct it, rather than to remove an entire paragraph. I think that supports what I wrote that he’s not qualified to write an article under the heading he gave it.

    David Cole is used to getting good press, and mostly praise from everybody, so being shown up as a rat may have unnerved him. But it wouldn’t surprise me if he sees a psychoanalyst regularly.

  324. @Leon

    If you have an email, I can send you everything about Zundel, Faurisson,Irving and much more. 10 years of collections, downloads. The biggest lie in the History.

    • Replies: @Leon
  325. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    As for Cochran, he’s just a total laughingstock, clearly terrified out of his wits about this particular topic.

    Cochran, an anthropologist and physicist, is easily one of the smartest commenters on your site. I understand you may have some buyer’s remorse with respect to your financial dealings with him – I don’t know if that’s what motivated this ludicrous take of yours, or you are simply no longer able to judge which of your commenters are intelligent.

    I’m not sure I’ve ever heard of that Pienovich fellow.

    Also goes by the name Mike Enoch. He co-hosts a podcast with Erik Striker, whose columns you publish, one of which we are commenting under.

    Basically, you strike me as just a typically-ignorant rightwing dimwit, who spends his time spouting off on Twitter about the latest controversy he saw on FoxNews.

    Searching my username on Twitter and “Fox News” the first thing that comes up is a reply to me by a lefty yenta nearly a year ago. .

    I don’t mention Fox News much on Twitter, because I don’t watch it (with the exception of bits of Tucker Carlson’s show that get played occasionally on a YouTube live stream I watch). So your impression of me doesn’t sound too accurate. But I can understand why you’d think your site attracts a lot of “typically-ignorant rightwing dimwit[s]”, given some of the content you publish.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  326. Jett Rucker says: • Website

    The valid Mengele story was broadcast on Inconvenient History back in April 2017 in this article by Germar Rudolf (http://inconvenienthistory.com/9/2/4609).
    I expect neither the article nor the author is among the sources for the book here reviewed (in keeping with the persecuted meme voiced in Striker’s first paragraph).
    Rudolf has been the world’s leading revisionist these ten years or more, now (three of which were spent in German jails for this distinction).

    • Replies: @Vaterland
  327. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Yes, when I want the truth, I always go to the CIA too.

    Well, they should know about Al Qaeda. They created it.

    The creation of Al Qaeda was before his time – I think he joined the agency in the late ’90s. According to him, their logic re the U.S. collapse was that the Soviets collapsed after Afghanistan, and, in their view, the U.S. was a lot weaker than the old USSR.

    Look, what your friend said might have been true. The stupidity is strong in the Middle East.

    You may have noticed an effort by the defense and intelligence establishment after 9/11 to claim otherwise, but their attempts always seemed strained to me. E.g., I remember a general describing an air strike on some compound in Afghanistan as Al Qaeda’s “Quantico”, as if the most extensive infrastructure there weren’t a set of monkey bars. Similarly with the investigations of the “masterminds” of attacks where trucks plowed through crowds, as if there were some James Bond villain overseas coordinating them and not the actions of local Muslim nutters. And similarly with the hapless locals the Feds baited into impossible terrorist plots, like the barefoot black Muslims in Florida who allegedly planned to blow up the Sears Tower in Chicago.

  328. Bernie says:
    @anarchyst

    Next you will tell me that the rollercoaster o’ death was a hoax …

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  329. @Haxo Angmark

    A crane proves that Treblinka was a death camp?

    • Agree: Mike P
    • Replies: @Genrick Yagoda
  330. melpol says:
    @Vaterland

    The sad truth is that most evil is done by people who never make up their minds to be good or evil.
    Hannah Arendt

    • Replies: @Vaterland
    , @Vaterland
  331. Vaterland says:
    @Jett Rucker

    (three of which were spent in German jails for this distinction).

    There is nothing German about these jails. They are jails of the victory powers of the second world war, run by the vassal state entourage under ongoing occupation on the payroll of our enemies. There is also nothing German about “German” mainstream media, or the entire state apparatus for that matter. At best this state is as “sovereign” as the GDR was, but the real implications are much more grim. The real Germany died in 1918 and it hasn’t been seen ever since. At least the German people exists; for now at least.

    • Replies: @anon
  332. @utu

    Not that hard. Simple test. Compare and contrast:

    • Replies: @utu
  333. Anonymous[357] • Disclaimer says:

    I don’t know about Mengele, but Turkish doctors played gruesome roles in the Armenian Genocide committed by Turkey:

    https://www.abc.net.au/religion/monstrous-complicity-doctors-and-the-armenian-genocide/10098388

    Excerpt:

    “Medical personnel did not only supervise proceedings but were directly involved in the killings, often participating in torture. Dr Mehmed Resid, the notorious “Executioner Governor,” was extraordinarily brutal, smashing skulls, nailing red-hot horseshoes to victims’ chests and crucifying people on makeshift crosses.”


    Another example:
    https://www.armenian-genocide.org/Education.30/current_category.118/resourceguide_detail.html

    • Replies: @BDS Always
  334. annamaria says:
    @melpol

    “We all try to protect our own skin.”

    — Your words only mean that it is long overdue for Israel-firsters to shut up about Aushwitz and such. If moral relativism reigns then Mossad is a king, and the true victims of psychopaths of all stripes are just inconsequential collateral damage.

    The more zionists protest and make noise about their special morality and special victimhood, the greater disgust towards the profiteering schema of holobiz and towards the incessant machinations of the “chosen.” It is not surprising at all that the Soviet opportunist Ilya Ehrenburg has been the true face of holobiz: https://ww2gravestone.com/ilya-ehrenburg-the-leading-soviet-propagandist-of-the-second-world-war/ https://nationalvanguard.org/2016/03/ilya-ehrenberg-the-man-who-invented-the-six-million/
    Ehrenburg:

    The Germans are not human beings. From now on, the word ‘German’ is the most horrible curse. From now on, the word ‘German’ strikes us to the quick. … We will kill. If you have not killed at least one German a day, you have wasted that day.

    This Jewish idiotism of rabid hatred continues unabated — see the brainwashing of young Jews with the psychopathic holobiz fables. Russians are hated by the “chosen” even to a greater degree than Germans.

    • Agree: Nonny Mouse
    • Replies: @melpol
  335. Fox says:
    @Popeye

    Is there any (I mean ANY) evidence for the existence of these gas vans? I have seen pictures of “gas vans” as well, as I have also seen a picture of the “bone crushing machine” of Au- schwitz, I have also seen pictures of burning synagogues on Nov. 9, 1938 with crudely slapped on images of flames , etc. All of this is taken seriously by believers, but there is a gulf between reality and belief.
    Therefore, when and where were any of these “gas vans” ever sighted and authenticated by unassailable evidence of their existence?

    The euthanasia program did exist, and it was ended after public protest – if anything, it proves the solid morality of the Germans of the past; unlike now, where in an increasing number of western countries euthanasia is carried out by assent of the law (and not always of the euthanasiee) and accompanied by the silence of the good people; and we must not forget the ongoing million-fold murder of healthy children waiting to be born through abortion, also by assent of the law.
    What about some outrage, or even an admission that this is moral relativism of a most disturbing kind?

  336. bronek says:

    This is one of the best articles composed during these times. It needs to be read by millions. This can be accomplished by every reader sending it to others.

    I spent years within the Soviet Empire. I spoke with numerous journalists, authors, intellectuals, film directors and politicos. Nearly ALL feared expressing their thoughts openly. Censorship that pertained to certain topics was stringently enforced there, as here. All abided by the unofficial rules, when in public. However, in private, that was not the case. In fact, overwhelming the intelligentsia presented figures that generally oscillated around 350,000 -500,000 (which are enormous figures, but not 6 mln). It was acknowledged that there were shootings.

    However, to better understand numbers let’s just ride over to Panory. We’ll use it as one example. It’s actually a perfect example. In fact it can be used as a symbol. In July 1941, at Ponary, in Lithuania, 72,000 were murdered, according to the author of BloodLands. (p.192) In the book under the title of Ponary, the recorded number was 60,000. I had also read that the number was 10,000. But, perhaps Bloodlands author, Snyder, knows better than others.

    The Ponary Diary is an obscure account of murder. Essentially, like the Maisky Diaries, it’s the result of networking concerns. It’s message emanated from notes contained in a few bottles. It’s alleged data is by Kazimier Sakowicz. He did not survive WWII. Thus, much about his allegations cannot be secured from him, or honestly verified.

    Regarding this topic, how did the book Ponary get printed/ distributed? It’s worthy to note that activists, from around the world, spent a great deal of time searching for info about their 1940s brethren. In the noted book we see that a Rachel Margolis spent much effort, with her husband, searching for info about WWII Hebrews. They collaborated with Jewish museum personal and others around the globe, such as Abraham Sutskever. As a result, despite an apparent lack of primary source substantiation, they were able to elicit their message about suffering inflicted by Germans and Lithuanians.

    After the war a Madame Margolis became director of the Lithuanian historical section of a state museum. Some would indicated that she give out a plethora of negative info pertaining to the Lithuanian nation where she resided.

    She had obtained 16 bottles of messages about the suffering of her brethren. These bottles also contained a document and a picture. No doubt people were killed. In the scope of numbers the Hebrew team deciphering the info, as noted, came up with a figure that was vastly enormous and oscillated around 60,000. It’s an extraordinary figure considering the local population variables. The Ponary Diary was edited by Yitzhak Arad. Now let us return to our related topic of collecting data from those turbulent years.

    Although it’s been noted that about 400,000 Magyar Jews were sent to be gassed, In the book entitled “Myth of the 20th Century,” that’s disputed. It was composed by a US professor. He had enormously big balls. I think his name was Arthur Butz. I purchased a few copies of his book and distributed them in various satellite countries. It was loved, but no one dared print it.

    In the late 1960s and early 1970s I spoke with camp survivors. None mentioned gassings.

    Shoes and eye glasses were a pertinent feature of the camp museum. However, that proves nothing about gassing. It’s a thought-catcher. On this side of the pond I use to be good friends with a Canadian named Zundel. We disagreed with much about WWII, but remained good friends. I would also tell him to write thoughts in the third person. He had an aversion to that. After all, he had left Canada and emphasized that he resided in the free speech USA, in peace amongst Mts.

    Well, people speak about what appears to be an “us-against-them mentality. Whatever, it seems billionaire zyds assist one another in networking. That applied to Zundel. He’s a perfect symbol. Rather than go into his lengthly case, suffice to indicate a Canadian millionaire teamed up with US brethren and he was assaulted on a bogus immigration paper charge. Yeah, while a sea of illegals flood the US. Bottom Zundel Line: He was incarcerated in Canada, the US and Europe. He lost valuable years of his life. At least in Germany there was a lesser change of being assassinated by some screw ball.

    This article deserves immense praise. Germany has given about a trillion dollars worth in reparations. Kids who never did anything to anyone are paying what appears to be never-ending extortion. Ron Unz deserves credit and it’s great to hear that his site has more readers than much of the presstitude entity.

  337. annamaria says:
    @Haxo Angmark

    If you are so sure about your facts then why you are against thorough research in WWII? Why honest researchers in WWII are put to prison, beaten, even killed, whereas the thugs and haters cheerleading for the wars for Israel wander free?
    Why the Jewish attacks on the First Amendment?
    Why the unbounded Jewish hatred towards Russians, Polacks, Germans?
    Too many Jews have been under the spiteful spell of Ilya Ehrenburg & Elie Wiesel for too long.

  338. Adûnâi says:
    @eah

    “Yes, no court will participate in significantly damaging the conventional ‘Holocaust’ narrative — Irving v Lipstadt is another example.”

    Wasn’t Irving utterly destroyed in that court case? Wasn’t he so destroyed, no racist should ever mention that happening as it is too humiliating, and their lies are all too visible?

    Oh wait, we are dealing with delusional pseudohistory here where nobody reads the other side (such as Lying About Hitler by Richard J. Evans).

    Denying the Holocaust is rejecting the Academia. Disregarding the Academia is the same as talking about extraterrestrial Hyperborean ancestors of modern Aryans – quackery.

  339. @utu

    Exceptions to the hearsay rule only allow the hearsay’s admissibility whereas without the exception it would not be admitted at all.

    A jury or judge (if the case is tried to a judge) can still conclude that the admitted hearsay is not credible.

    • Replies: @utu
  340. Vaterland says:
    @melpol

    Yeah, okay. That’s a nice platitude. Which I don’t really believe in. Menachem Begin for example was very consciously “evil”. And proud of it. Boasted about it! The cannon fodder and foot soldiers who may actually be forced to kill or rape other people hardly matter in the great scheme of things; they don’t set policy.

    Here is another quote by Arendt: “Die Deutschen sollen nur nicht glauben, dass sie mit den Mördern in ihren Reihen weiterleben können.” “The Germans shouldn’t even dare to believe, that they will be able to live on with the murderers in their ranks.” Fair enough. But that’s exactly what Jews did in many cases. Including Menachem Begin of course.

  341. mikesmith says:
    @Anonymous

    “suggests you’re a visitor from Conservatism Inc, ” That is NEOconservatism, Inc. After purging the tradtional (paleo-) conservatives from their last positions of influence in the 1990’s, the Neoconservatives have passed themselves off as merely “conservatives.” By now we have nearly a generation that has no idea that conservatism ever differed in any way from neoconservatism.

    The neocons themselves are almost indistinguishable from “centrist” Democrats, and this this is what gets passed off as a two party system. (Although I do not mean to infer that there ever was a time when the Republicans were a true conservative party. George Wallace had it right, or very close to right, in the seventies when he said there was not a nickel’s worth of difference between the two parties.) Both wings of our disingenuous duopoly – Republicans and Democrats, “conservatives” and “liberals” – are not merely anxious but desperate to maintain the illusion that our political, academic, and scientific systems are basically open and honest and that the news and education we receive from them are reliable and result from a transparent process which ensures that the truth wins out.

    The reality is that control over the flow of information, ideas, and opinion has a striking similarity to the same processes in the USSR. The fact that unwelcome facts and interpretations are not totally suppressed, and that the media, and some of the universities and other schools, are privately owned, merely adds a veneer of deceptive credibility that their overtly controlled Soviet counterparts lacked. Examples such as the narratives surrounding the assassinations of two Kennedy brothers in 1963 and 1968, 9-11, and the “Holocaust” as it has been known since the Six Day War of 1967 are merely the visible tip of a much larger iceberg.

    If the general public were informed as to just how pervasive and effective disinformation is in our media, publishing, political, and educational establishments, Western governments and the elites that back them would lose most of their credibility. However, the lies and killings are so big, so numerous, so audacious, and so contrary to what we have been taught about the basic goodness and trustworthiness of our “democracies” that most people will refuse to believe it unless they are taught a full length course in the history of our many high level deceits, but that course will never be taught in schools that are directly or indirectly controlled by the federal government and its puppet masters, any more than the mainland Chinese will learn the truth about Tianenmen Square. The best we can hope for is that a few people or small institutions here and there can preserve such historical truths as we have been able to uncover for posterity, in the hopes that one day they can emerge from their obscure refuges and be shouted from the roof tops. But that day is not nigh.

  342. @Haxo Angmark

    I don’t know what the dirt from the crane is covering up. Cranes dump dirt all the time. The crane could be covering up a large septic system for all I know. Or a pipeline.

    To suggest from a photo like that, we should draw a certain conclusion, is idiotic.

    • Replies: @Saggy
  343. @Adûnâi

    No, Irving was not “destroyed” in the Irving V Lipstadt case. In fact, once again, the impossibly thin gruel that constitutes “the holocaust” was again set in stove for all time as a pack of lies.

    The trial transcripts are available at Debbie Lipstadt’s site. And what the trial transcripts show is that there is ZERO evidence for any of these “gas chambers”. In fact, Judge Grey had to rely on CARTOONS drawn by Olere, because there was no other evidence that these fantasy “gas chambers” even existed.

    Many here have read the Irving v Lipstadt trial. And all of us who have know that you are lying about everything. But that is perfectly normal for you “holocaust” religious maniancs.

  344. @Beefcake the Mighty

    If they could find Yenkel Wiernek’s crane that dug 3,000 bodies out of the ground in 1 single scoop that would certainly prove “the holocaust”.

    But somehow I suspect this fantastic machine will disappear off the face of the earth, just like the portable Bone Grinders, and 1 man gas chambers disguised as a telephone booth……….

  345. utu says:
    @davidgmillsatty

    You are comparing an over engineered gas chamber from an American prison with Krema I in Auschwitz I which served several functions during war such as an air raid shelter in the end and then was modified after war for the Disneylandization of Auschwitz musem when they added a fake chimney and brought ovens form somewhere else. This is a straw man argument. But if you insist you could gas people in the space shown on the picture. You can gas your whole family in your apartment w/o much difficulty:

    [MORE]

    • Troll: L.K
  346. Vaterland says:
    @melpol

    However, I could agree to something similar, put a little differently: many evil and terrible things happen, because too much is taken for granted, because “it has always been this way” and they go on unexamined.

    Let’s assume for a moment that right today a sect, maybe similar to Scientology, had discovered through “divine revelation” that they alone and nobody else are the chosen few; selected through divine providence by the creator. And let’s take it even further: a European people, maybe our good friends the Swedes, had discovered by their venerable great leader, let’s call him Sigmund Kjellberg, that they and nobody else are the chosen race by God. And only they had access to the highest parts of the fully developed soul, while the limited and lower rest of humanity was destined to live in some kind of Untermensch Dasein, with dim, dirtier, unclean, inferior souls. Although under public pressure they may be forced to put it a little more politely and lecture us about the special duties and responsibilities these elect few of the chosen race have.

    But certainly such ideas and teachings would be deemed incredibly racist and, formulated by white Europeans, especially blond and blue eyed ones like many Swedes are, they would be declared the worst form of white supremacy. Worse than Hitler even! And all kinds of anti-racist groups would come together to condemn, protest, boycott, censor and outlaw such “dangerous, racist, dehumanizing cults”. And fine gentlemen like Ben Shapiro and the ever concerned ADL would be leading the charge against them.

    With Judaism however? Why even think about it? It has always been this way! Only an anti-Semite would even entertain such criticism. And you see, this is why Heidegger, who was giving Hannah the Bratwurst, wrote that Jews are the people who have lived according to the principle of race the longest. And which is why they resist its consequent application in other peoples the strongest. And the one unforgivable sin of Mr. Hitler had been that he had taken the concept of the chosen race from Judaism and applied it to the German people.

    The unexamined life is indeed a source of great suffering.

  347. utu says:
    @davidgmillsatty

    “…can still conclude that the admitted hearsay is not credible.” – Sure, everybody knows it. But by chanting the magic spell “hearsay”, “hearsay”… the issue does not got away, however, if you have a jury like OJ had and Johnny Cochran is your man, then by the gimmick of “if it doesn’t fit you must acquit” it may work. Are you aspiring to be Johnny Cochran of revisionists? Gimmicks is you game, right? Picture of gas chamber from San Quentin? Yeah, that’s a powerful argument. Who do you think you are going to fill the jury with? Morons like Wally? You have to get out of the sandbox and get prepared to play a hardball if you want to contest the Shoah biz.

    • Replies: @davidgmillsatty
    , @turtle
  348. Fox says:
    @Adûnâi

    I remember the case. Irving as a legal layman representing himself against a horde of highly-paid lawyers. If I remember correctly, 25 million dollars had been made available for the Lipstadt defense. When the verdict was read, I felt immense respect for Irving. He showed character, a conviction that facts trump cant and storytelling, and he also believed in human decency, otherwise he would have not trusted the court as an institution that would be bound by rational thought instead of the need to serve special interests in the first place. He was stomped on by a system that disregards facts and makes the outcome depend on clever distortions, allowing the presentation of certain facts and opinions, and the prohibiting of representing others. It is obvious that a crime of the magnitude as the alleged one would need for its cogent exhibition people who know the facts and not a bunch of lawyers who barely can function in normal society for a lack of social graces, common human understanding and common sense. Obfuscation only works for people with lots of money and something they want to hide.
    Irving was certainly not “destroyed”, only had for a ride.

  349. @Anonymous

    The so called “Armenian Genocide” is another event that can not, like the Holocaust, be debated, questioned or historicaly revised. The people or persons that do that will face online vilification, abuse, indimidation and even in some cases threats of physical violence which are tactics used by Zionist Hasbara agents.
    There are also demands, just like the Israeli’s, for Turkey to be forced to pay out compansation.

    Prof Justin McCarthy on The Armenian Genocide Lie: Armenians Are Afraid of The Truth.

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    Armenian nationalists and pressure groups are cowards. They are afraid of debate, afraid of discussion. These people don’t know the facts. They give insults instead. They don’t want people to know the truth.

    Dr. Justin McCarthy easily tells us about the research and easily shows that the Armenian Genocide is nothing more than a propaganda story that is rooted from the difference of religions between Armenians and Muslims.

    And that these people continue to talk about these events and label them as the “Armenian Genocide” in order to pressure Turkey to give Armenians reparations which they believe Turkey will because they do not know the history of the issue.

    Dr. Justin McCarthy mentions that the Ottoman statistics say that there were ~600,000 Armenians and 3 million Ottoman Muslims that died during World War I and soldiers are not considered in this statistic.

    Ottoman Muslims also involve Kurds, Turks, and other Muslims in the Ottoman Empire at the time. It shows that many Muslims were massacred by enemy forces or rebel groups of the Armenians.

    Dr. Justin McCarthy also mentions that the telegram fabricated by Armenian propagandists seeking to find a smoking gun for the Armenian genocide theory, is a forgery, and that it should not be taken as scholarly evidence of genocide.

    In the Van Rebellion Armenian capture of the city held 6000 Ottoman soldiers from reaching the front lines to fight the invading Russian forces. This was one of the reasons that the Relocation law of the Armenians was enacted.

    Typhus, Typhoid, and Cholera are one of the major reasons for the amount of Armenian death tolls and Ottoman death tolls to reach so high. Although one of the biggest reasons for death during World War I was starvation and gunshots.

    Food was very scarce in Eastern Anatolia especially during the war when armies of different nations passed through the area such as the Ottomans and the Russians and the Armenian Rebel armies.

    Approximately 80% of Armenians relocated with the Relocation laws of the Ottomans Survived. And Cities in the West such as Izmir, Istanbul, and Ankara were not subject to the Relocation laws.

    This is because the Ottomans wanted to remove the threatening Armenian Rebellion away from the area, without targetting or harming Armenians who were not rebelling, the problem was, it was sometimes difficult to tell.

    Dr. Justin McCarthy tells us that whenever a population is moved there will be people stealing from them, attacking them, and sometimes taking revenge perhaps because a Turkish man might take revenge on innocent Armenians because Armenian rebels massacred his/her village.

    http://www.armeniangenocidedebate.com/professor-dr-justin-mccarthy-

    http://www.tallarmeniantale.com/mccarthy-propaganda.htm

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  350. Sam J. says:
    @HorriblyDepressed

    I agree with all you say but I do have a couple of caveats.

    “…1. Primary responsibility for WWII must be divided between Franklin D. Roosevelt, Winston Churchill and Josef Stalin.:

    This is not necessarily true. Hitler should have never attacked Poland. Without the attack on Poland I doubt that the allies could have ever ginned up enough support for WWII. Hitler knew, or should have known, that Great Britain had ALWAYS gone to war to balance the power of the various States on the continent of Europe. Poland was too far. That the Germans were pushed I have no doubt but he was the one that attacked Poland…”

    “…5. The United States of America is no longer a democracy and has not been a democracy for some time….The most that Donald Trump, Bernie Sanders or any other populist politician can possibly accomplish is to convince the American people that they have lost control of their government. However, even this limited accomplishment, as useful as it would be, is very unlikely.

    …I cannot imagine anything that can dislodge them other than the total collapse of the current world system…”

    True…BUT. There is a way. It can be changed by guaranteeing an honest vote. People are sick of the corruption in the voting system. There is a way to change this, something can be done and I will detail it.

    Judicial watch has made many States remove many millions of false voter registrations. We must push populist politicians to continue this. A lot of judges are corrupt but not all and there only so much corruption that even the corrupt can cover up.

    There’s a way to make digital voting that controls fraud. Here’s how.

    [MORE]

    1. All voter registration MUST be before the elections. No registering and voting same day. Ideally it should be at least six months before the vote so the PUBLIC registration list can be checked by third parties.
    2. Absentee ballots should be only for controlled reasons such as being out of town for work, in the hospital, etc. There has to be controls on these and the absentee votes are only allowed at the same time the polls are open.
    3. All PUBLICLY registered voters are printed in a list that goes to the polling area. Only the exact number of registered voters ballots are printed on regular paper. If the ballot is long then there are multiple sheets of paper for the ballot.
    3. Each ballot has the candidates and proposals printed on the standard copy paper, (save money), with a lined border 1/2″ or so around it and a rectangular border at the bottom. Each voter must show some sort of picture ID to get a ballot. As each voter receives a ballot the voting official must draw a line through the voters name on the public voters list. All these list and the drawing through of voters names will be recorded on commercial digital cameras and the final amount of ballots will be added to a database.
    4. The voter marks his ballot by coloring over a square on the ballot. Same with multiple sheets if necessary. Then on the border, except the bottom, the voter scribbles random lines, numbers, pictures, whatever they wish in the borders.
    5. The voter takes the ballot to a recording area where a cheap digital web cam takes a picture of the ballot and automatically tallies the vote. On the computer screen after the picture is taken it will show what the computer vote tally is, who and what they voted for, and they will then hit yes or no for each page. The voters ballot picture, PLUS IMPORTANTLY, their random scribble in the border will be run through a hash program for each page, (sha256, MD5, SHA512, whatever, look up “digital hash” to understand what I’m talking about) this hash number, (essentially a digital fingerprint), will be displayed and it will be copied into the bottom border of the ballot of the voter. The voter keeps the ballot for verification and proof.
    6. Each polling place will keep the pictures of the public voting list after all the voters ballots are handed out, pictures of the individual ballots, the contents of the vote and the hash in a database for at least one year. All these tallies are added up and you then get the vote total. All can be independently verified as all of it is public
    7. Each polling station will have a server that keeps this database plus backups. Anyone can put in their hash number and download their picture plus their voter tally. Anyone can download the whole database of values for that polling station with BitTorrent that will include, pictures of the public voting list after all the voters ballots are handed out,(and most importantly how many ballots are handed out by counting the number of voters lined through), pictures of ballots(tied to the hash number), public voter registration list and the tallies of the votes. They will be able to pick out their vote and ballot picture with just the hash number to check their results.
    8. The number of votes cast will have to equal the number of ballots handed out.
    9. Software could be provided for absentee voters for personal computers, cell phones or absentee voters could vote early at designated centers.
    10. Test voting with a test ballot would be provided so that absentee or “ignorant” voters could practice to make sure they know how to vote. It’s up to the voter to test this before the election. (If you’re too stupid to do such a simple thing you shouldn’t vote).
    11. All votes would be counted immediately as the polls closed and added to the public database.

    This would be a major block against fraud. I doubt it would stop it but it would prevent widespread cheating.

  351. @Sick of Orcs

    Wonder what the state of the brains of the Palestinians are like after being born and raised in their own “Holocaust?”

  352. Saggy says: • Website
    @davidgmillsatty

    I don’t know what the dirt from the crane is covering up.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treblinka_extermination_camp

    At any given time, Treblinka I had a workforce of 1,000–2,000 prisoners,[52] most of whom worked 12- to 14-hour shifts in the large quarry

    And then there was a children’s zoo ….

    • Replies: @Sam J.
  353. @Mike P

    Fritz Berg addressed this very topic. His article, upon which he delivered a speech at the 1994 IHR conference, can be found at the IHR website.

    During the Q&A at that conference, he was asked why diesel exhaust was mentioned when it is so very nonlethal. He offered a guess that since the diesel engine was invented by the German Rudolf Diesel, mentioning it made it sound somewhat “more German”.

    • Agree: Mike P
  354. anon[837] • Disclaimer says:
    @Vaterland

    Why do you say Germany died in 1918 and not 1945? And do you consider National Socialist Germany a continuation of Imperial Germany?

    • Replies: @Vaterland
  355. Sam J. says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    “…It would have required a huge conspiracy to smuggle demolitions into them. Not to mention on the scale it would have required…”

    It wuold be easy if you controlled the security of the building like the Jews did. A person who demoed buildings for a living testified he could demo a building with a couple vans full of explosives.

    “…Then there’s the matter of planting the demolitions on a building where much of the load was borne by an external steel frame…. It involves dozens of hours of cutting and drilling in key places to plant charges. It strains credulity to imagine that having been done at the WTC…”

    No it doesn’t. Here’s how you do it. It appears, from the link I give below, every floor was not detonated. The main amount of explosives would have been in the elevator shafts which were worked on extensively before the bombing. For the exterior explosives radio controlled charges could be made up. I suspect that many of these were nano-termite which would melt the columns instead of exploding them. Just as an exercise let’s formulate how it could be done. A prepared package with thermite, maybe a small explosive and magnets was made. These buildings have tile ceilings. So a person carrying a ladder could pop open one of the ceiling tiles, scrape off the fire proofing with a simple scraper then attack the whole package with magnets. It could be done in 15 minutes per column easy. Probably less.

  356. Sam J. says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    “…How many shaped charges drilled into that frame would have been required to take down that building, hundreds?…”

    Blah, blah, blah. You are either a shill, ignorant, stupid or all three. Shaped charges aren’t drilled. The charge itself does the drilling. Shape charges are used in anti-tank weapons to shoot a jet of molten metal through a tank. No drilling required. Can you imagine if you told our soldiers,”well to take out this tank you just drill a hole in it and…”. Yeah right.

    You don’t even need shaped charges. You can use thermite to weaken the steel. I expect a bit of both were used as you can hear explosions going off before the building fell.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
  357. melpol says:
    @annamaria

    Pain has always been the highlight of Jewish experience, their pain is never ending. Twenty five million Europeans died painful deaths in WW2 their agonies are remembered. Screams of people in pain should be amplified. Let past pains bury itself because it is now that counts.

    • Troll: Kolya Krassotkin
    • Replies: @annamaria
  358. Anonymous[603] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sam J.

    This is a holding tank for NAZI sharks.

  359. @utu

    The same thing has happened in the USA, when e.g. the “vibrants” left their car running in the garage below their rental so the battery wouldn’t die, and slept with the stairway door to the upstairs apartment open.

    Play stupid games, wind up dead.  If only they ALL weren’t.

  360. mikesmith says:
    @melpol

    “but I will always remain a Jew.” – which brings up an interesting question: what, exactly, is a Jew? St. Paul/Saul said that a true Jew was one who was circumicised in his heart rather than his outward flesh. Obviously, Jews who cut their flesh hold a different view of this matter, but what exactly is the Jewish view? Some Jews seem to say one thing, and other Jews something different, leaving me rather confused. What does “remain a Jew” mean to you? That you will always obey your rebbe, or something else?

    • Replies: @melpol
    , @Achilles Wannabe
  361. anon[125] • Disclaimer says:
    @melpol

    Polish mobs were always beating Jews. They beat them before and after the Nazi occupation. Before the Soviets sent Poles to Siberia Jews were being beaten. Upon their return from the death camps Jews got beatings. Poles have been beating Jews for centuries.

    that sounds terrible

    why didnt the jews just leave?

    • Replies: @melpol
  362. Anonymous[357] • Disclaimer says:
    @BDS Always

    Dear BDS Always:

    Historians have for 100 years had the actual extermination orders – telegrams – sent by Turkish leaders to field commanders.

    These are called the Naim – Andonian documents. They ordered the murder of Christian Armenian men, women and children. They are genuine, not forgeries:

    Indeed, see this book by a Turkish American historian at Clark University:

    https://www.amazon.com/Killing-Orders-Telegrams-Armenian-Genocide/dp/3319697862

    Many other Turkish historians are defying their country’s genocide denial and coming clean. You should be among them and stop the absurd denials.

    Those who seriously wish to know more about the Armenian Genocide committed by Turkey can visit https://www.armenian-genocide.org/

    By the way, Christian Syriacs and Hellenics were also victims of genocide by Turkey in that era.

    • Replies: @Wally
  363. PeterMX says:
    @annamaria

    Unfortunately, the Jews run Ukraine again and I believe real patriotic Ukrainians should have a friendly policy towards Russia. They don’t like the “ziocons” but the “ziocons” have the presidency and control the media and governmet. They set gov’t policy and they use the “Banderaites” to cover for themselves and I believe rather than fighting the Russians they should hold rallies against the Jews in their gov’t pushing for bad relations with Russia and protesting the despicable behavior of Jews demanding Ukraine stop honoring its heroes because they fought against the murderous Jews in WW II, as Israel’s ambassador to Ukraine did a few weeks ago.

    As someone born to German parents, I think I have strong grounds to stand on saying my parents and their people have been the most demoonized, by far, over the last 100 years. You appeared sympahetic to what the Jews did to Ukrainians during WW II so that is why I suggested you stop calling them “NAZIS”.

    • Agree: Beefcake the Mighty
    • Replies: @turtle
    , @PeterMX
    , @annamaria
  364. Sam J. says:
    @Mr. Rational

    “…It was on fire too…”

    Yes that’s so but only on three or four floors. Here’s a video of about two hours before it fell. Look how he pans up you can see it’s not completely on fire.

    The building fell the same speed as a rock dropped in air. All things fall in a gravity field the exact same speed depending on the media it’s falling in. A rock and a building fall the same, in air. On the moon with no air a feather and a hammer fall at the same speed. The only way possible that this could happen is if the support, columns, had the EXACT same resistance as…air for the same distance that the building free fell. Around 108 feet. Did you see a fire big enough to boil away all support in the building to the same density as air? Hell no you didn’t. Your either a Hasbara, ignorant, stupid or all of the above.

    That you Jews persist in such complete blatant lying stupidity only shows every single person that there is no way to EVER live with you. The only way to deal with the Jews is to get rid of them. Peacefully if we can get it but by any means necessary they must go. You can’t live with people who persist in such psychopathic behavior and continue to lie about it so lasciviously. The only 100% proven and verified though out all history way to deal with the Jews is to get rid of them. This works every time. In the past they would move to a new country where they had not been in many numbers lately and people had forgotten how evil they were. This time with world wide communications we must move them all to Israel and keep them there forever. Allowing them no control or residence at all in any other country.

    • Agree: annamaria
    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  365. Vaterland says:
    @anon

    do you consider National Socialist Germany a continuation of Imperial Germany?

    Absolutely not. I’ve written this under Joyce’s articles. National Socialism was a mostly pagan movement, with some clerical fascist elements, that culturally grew out of a romantic movement attempt to overcome the inherent nihilism of industrial society. Which had its peak in Wagner and Graecho-Germanism, a synthesis of classical Greece and German idealism. It had many forms, including Rudolf Steiner and anarchists. Hitlerism was just one radical form. I do consider the 1st and 2nd world wars combined as the 2nd 30 years war. And the NS aesthetic resonates with disenfranchised millennials. But the concrete policies and ideas of National Socialism have little to no actual tradition in German culture, philosophy and heritage. On this I agree with Hannah Arendt. For me Hitler himself was a dubious charismatic with talents, but an Austrian bohemian, funded by Zionist bankers, with English ideas on race (H.S. Chamberlain), US ideas on the JQ (Ford, The International Jew), wearing fantasy uniforms + the iron cross and surrounded by an entourage of failed artists is hardly the epitome of German identity. I disagree with C.G. Jung that Hitler was the embodiment of the German subconscious. And the entire subculture of the Thule society, pagan-German romanticism itself was almost nothing more than a fashion trend. Modernity had already hit hard in the Weimar Republic.

    If there is an archetypical German it’s probably Johann Sebastian Bach and if there is a German identity, it is the Holy Roman Empire, which lasted almost a thousand years. The real 1,000 year Reich so to speak. The high point being the Stauffer period. NS was a last and desperate and extreme attempt to regain what had already been lost, in a form of aberration and heresy. But maybe Führerkult and the totalitarian society were the only realistic forms to preserve the old European ways in a world in which the monarchy and absolute authority of religion had already been defeated and replaced. I consider the Soviet Union, the 3rd Reich and the US empire extremely similar in their character as systems of absolute power which grew out of a deep underlying nihilism. Nietzsche, Narodniki and the New World.

    The pan-Christian Otto von Habsburg creation of the EU as the “4th Reich” is also more than just a meme. Although Christendom has been entirely replaced with the catechism of holocaustianity. Throughout the West.

    • Agree: turtle
    • Disagree: Carolyn Yeager
    • Replies: @refl
    , @anon
    , @Anon
  366. @Sam J.

    5. The voter takes the ballot to a recording area where a cheap digital web cam takes a picture of the ballot and automatically tallies the vote. On the computer screen after the picture is taken it will show what the computer vote tally is, who and what they voted for, and they will then hit yes or no for each page. The voters ballot picture, PLUS IMPORTANTLY, their random scribble in the border will be run through a hash program for each page, (sha256, MD5, SHA512, whatever, look up “digital hash” to understand what I’m talking about) this hash number, (essentially a digital fingerprint), will be displayed and it will be copied into the bottom border of the ballot of the voter. The voter keeps the ballot for verification and proof.

    Sorry, but you lose.  This destroys the privacy of the ballot and is a certain route to coercion of voters.  Try again.

    • Replies: @Sam J.
  367. @utu

    A story on the ABC (Australia) this week was told by an “survivor” lady that she was actually in a gas chamber waiting to be gassed but then it malfunctioned so they were all ushered out and she went on to survive the war.

    We have been told that poisonous pellets were dropped by hand through trap-doors in the ceilings of the gas chambers so how could that simple system malfunction? It’s clearly a fraud and as Judge Judy says, if it doesn’t make sense it’s nonsense.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  368. PeterMX says:
    @Carolyn Yeager

    Well, we disagree on a number of things and if you don’t know me by now, I won’t be changing my opinion just because someone disagrees with me. I have held opinions contrary to the majority my whole life and often had to hold those opinions to myself or risk battling 30 people against one, risk being insulted or threatened, which has happened relatively recently too. So having someone disagree with me on the internet won’t affect me either. I think your time would be better spent addressing other things written but it’s your choice.

  369. @Sam J.

    It appears, from the link I give below, every floor was not detonated. The main amount of explosives would have been in the elevator shafts which were worked on extensively before the bombing. For the exterior explosives radio controlled charges could be made up. I suspect that many of these were nano-termite which would melt the columns instead of exploding them. Just as an exercise let’s formulate how it could be done. A prepared package with thermite, maybe a small explosive and magnets was made. These buildings have tile ceilings. So a person carrying a ladder could pop open one of the ceiling tiles, scrape off the fire proofing with a simple scraper then attack the whole package with magnets. It could be done in 15 minutes per column easy. Probably less.

    So a concrete-insulated steel column could be made vulnerable in 15 minutes?  And the concrete wouldn’t hold stuff up even while the steel was temporarily soft?

    FUCK that’s funny, tell me another one!

  370. @Sam J.

    How do you explain the abundance of molten steel underground for more than a month afterwards? The relevance of 9/11 and the holo-thingy ties in with the words of Albert Pike more than a century earlier.

  371. turtle says:
    @Sick of Orcs

    Inherited brain trauma?
    Seriously?
    Lamarckian evolution “at work.”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamarckism#Late_20th_century

  372. melpol says:
    @mikesmith

    To me being a Jew was the experience received in my early life living among secular Jews. There is no bond I have for any Jewish sects or the state of Israel.

    • Replies: @Saggy
  373. turtle says:
    @PeterMX

    As someone born to German parents, I think I have strong grounds to stand on saying my parents and their people have been the most demoonized, by far, over the last 100 years.

    Agree.

    • Replies: @Achilles Wannabe
  374. @Carolyn Yeager

    Thank you Carolyn. I am convinced, By You, I mean. Now I am thoroughly blackpilled again.

    I do think you may be overly optimistic about the ability of average or even high IQ people to see thru Mengele stories. I have noticed that people will swallow a lot if it is dished out by the poor oppressed Jews. I know. I used to be one of the swallowers until I quite recently decided to look at the evidence

    • Replies: @Carolyn Yeager
  375. PeterMX says:
    @PeterMX

    That last sentence is poorly worded. I intended to write that you appeared sympathetic to the suffering of Ukrainans at the hands of the Jews in the USSR.

  376. @Achilles Wannabe

    Well, yes, you’re right about the Mengele stories. I said that largely to dismiss the importance of that Marwell book, which doesn’t seem historically important to me. But stitching twin boys back to back to created conjoined twins??? C’mon. That’s lunatic stuff. And every self-proclaimed Auschwitz survivor had their own personal experience with Dr. Mengele? What it actually is, is that they do not think about it, just accept everything said as a vague reality. Yes, I remember that too. I didn’t give it any serious thought at all. Until I did. Funny how that works.

    I appreciate your “thanks.” Glad we’re friends.

    • Replies: @Nonny Mouse
  377. Wally says:
    @Blankaerd

    – So your retreating from the ‘gas chambers’ claims? Yes or no?
    – Red Cross “estimates” all based upon disease and a few legal executions which were recorded in German records. Those same diseases swept all through Europe and killed Germans and Allied troops as well. S0 what? You claimed “500,000 – 3,000,000 innocents”.
    – You mean the publicly known T4 euthanasia program for those hopelessly suffering. Such programs exist worldwide. That program was stopped by Hitler due religious pressure.
    – I’ve utterly debunked the false claims about it here:
    https://www.unz.com/?s=T4&Action=Search&ptype=all&commentsearch=only&commenter=Wally
    also see:
    Evidence for the German Euthanasia Program Compared to the Holocaust: https://www.unz.com/article/evidence-for-the-german-euthanasia-program-compared-to-the-holocaust/
    – What Einsatzgruppen activities alleged & otherwise are you referring to? Be specific. Where & how many?
    – You dodged my challenge: “Where can we see the human remains that are claimed to be in known locations.”
    – As for the Putten raid? LOL You mean the allegedly six guys who were legally shot after the attack on a German officer.
    Again: Please show us this “Hunger Plan”, not just claim it. We await.

    you said:
    “You truly expect to find all dead people accounted for, with human remains and exact known date of death and how they died? If so, then did the second world war actually happen? I dare you to find proof that 50 million people have died in the second world war. Locations of human remains and how and when they died is appreciated.”

    Another false strawman argument. No one claims they can find “all dead people” supposedly “accounted for” Please stop such childishness.
    Its not me who claims that millions upon millions of human remains exist in known, MARKED locations, it’s the “Holocaust Industry” itself which makes the claims over & over again. Those remains are not there. I’m just the messenger.
    There are countless WWII cemeteries all over Europe & the Pacific. And the known causes of deaths of those entombed do not defy science, logic, & rational thought, a la the ‘holocaust’.

    • Replies: @Blankaerd
  378. mikesmith says:
    @Achilles Wannabe

    Vdare is a special interest site. Its only agenda is immigration reduction, and, to that end, it pitches a big tent, as it has traditionally stated on its site. Getting embroiled in other controversies could only reduce its chances of accomplishing its mission.

    Okay, NEW TOPIC: Does the Holocaust narrative strike anyone besides me as being a conspiracy theory? The Holocaust conspiracy theory? If it does not qualify as a conspiracy theory, why not? A theory that there was an secret but undocumented master plan by a small Nazi elite to exterminate the Jews: does that not perfectly fit the definition of “conspiracy theory?” So why does no one ever call it that??? If Holocaust conspiracy theory is too many syllables, maybe it could just be called “the Holocon” or “Holocon theory” for short.

    • Replies: @Achilles Wannabe
  379. Wally says:
    @Anonymous

    BDS in correct.

    – I see no proof in your links which would hold up in courts of law where both Armenians and Turks could argue their case.

    – recommended:
    The Telegrams Attributed To Talat Pasha: https://dls-int.net/the-telegram-attributed-to-talat-pasha.html
    Armenian Forgeries and Falsifications
    https://www.ataa.org/tag/talat-pasha-telegrams
    and:
    https://theturkishero.blogspot.com/2006/02/telegram-attributed-to-talat-pasha_16.html

    – And since it’s claimed that entire villages were ‘genocided’ en masse, in very specific locations, where are the human remains? “1.5M” is a huge number, where’s the remains?

    – The Turks claim that it was essentially ‘a civil war where both sides suffered’.
    Heretofore, I see no compelling proof to the contrary.

  380. @Carolyn Yeager

    Thank you Carolyn You have just afforded me an opportunity to apologize to the German people. Many years ago I taught a section of a college course where I indicted the German people for the Holocaust. I had no idea of what I was talking about. In addition to Wiesel’s Night, I used two texts by historians who either had no idea what they were talking about or did but had certain political goals in mind. I never checked their footnotes. If I did, I would have found out that their extermination thesis was all based on unverified testimony by Jews who may or may not have been there, and by interpolation of German documents. But nomatter “Who would lie about the Holocaust?” is the way my mind worked, All I can say is that I genuinely believed what I was proffering. It was the 70’s. Believing Jews about the Holocaust and a whole lot of other things was in the ether. If I had it to do over again, I would teach a course on how Jewish Supremacy and its Semophile Goyim collaborators like me have raped the German people, gutted their history. Of course I wouldn’t get half way thru the second lecture before Antifa would show up and the Administration would cancel the course. Then there would be the question of my tenure and
    promotions. So maybe I wouldn’t teach the course over again. Maybe I am a coward like a lot of contemporary academic historians probably are.

  381. @Ron Unz

    Hey, Ron.

    I was wondering what your thoughts are on the Corona Virus.

    I ask because I just saw a very disturbing article on that topic that was posted on Zero Hedge.

    Zero Hedge just had their Twitter account suspended. Supposedly, the suspension was due to posting that article, but I can’t confirm whether that’s accurate.

    [MORE]

    Here are some of the relevant portions of Zero Hedge’s article on the Coronavirus.

    Over the past few days, the mainstream press has vigorously pushed back against a theory about the origins of the coronavirus that has now infected as many as 70,000+ people in Wuhan alone (depending on whom you believe). The theory is that China obtained the coronavirus via a Canadian research program, and started molding it into a bioweapon at the Institute of Virology in Wuhan. Politifact pointed the finger at Zero Hedge, in particular, though the story was widely shared across independent-leaning media.

    The theory is that the virus, which was developed by infectious disease experts to function as a bio-weapon, originated in the Wuhan-based lab of Dr. Peng Zhou, China’s preeminent researcher of bat immune systems, specifically in how their immune systems adapt to the presence of viruses like coronavirus and other destructive viruses. Somehow, the virus escaped from the lab, and the Hunan fish market where the virus supposedly originated is merely a ruse.

    Now, a respected epidemiologist who recently caught flack for claiming in a twitter threat that the virus appeared to be much more contagious than initially believed is pointing out irregularities in the virus’s genome that suggests it might have been genetically engineered for the purposes of a weapon, and not just any weapon but the deadliest one of all.

    In “Uncanny similarity of unique inserts in the 2019-nCoV spike protein to HIV-1 gp120 and Gag”, Indian researchers are baffled by segments of the virus’s RNA that have no relation to other coronaviruses like SARS, and instead appear to be closer to HIV. The virus even responds to treatment by HIV medications.

    Why do the authors think the virus may be man-made? Because when looking at the above insertions which are not present in any of the closest coronavirus families, “it is quite unlikely for a virus to have acquired such unique insertions naturally in a short duration of time.” Instead, they can be found in cell identification and membrane binding proteins located in the HIV genome.

    But the ‘smoking gun’ in this case are pieces of the virus’s genetic code that Indian researchers, led by Prashant Pradhan at the Indian Institute of Technology, found may have been ’embedded’ from HIV, which belongs to an entirely different family of viruses.

    I have no particular expertise in genetics or biology, so I can’t make a judgement. If you click on this link, you can read more.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/coronavirus-contains-hiv-insertions-stoking-fears-over-artificially-created-bioweapon

    One aspect of this that I don’t understand is why, if the virus is not that serious, China seems to have taken such draconian measures to suppress this virus. Do they know something that we don’t? Why else would they mass quarantine people?

    I was wondering if you can offer an opinion. How alarmed are you by all of this?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  382. @Sam J.

    Okay, say it was thermite. How much thermite would you have needed to bring down the twin towers, roughly? How would you affix to the external frame without drilling? In how many locations would you need to have place it?

  383. @Alfred

    I addressed the insurance payments here: https://www.unz.com/estriker/the-last-days-of-the-holocaust/#comment-3689016

    I’m not aware of any payments to Silverstein from the airlines. Silverstein and the airlines were sued by another developer for 9/11 related cleanup costs, but they were found not liable as 9/11 was considered an act of war: https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2014/05/07/328500.htm

    Presumably, the same rationale would have protected the airlines from liability. IIRC, one of the points of the 9/11 fund was to protect the airlines from being sued into bankruptcy.

  384. @mikesmith

    Meanwhile the Elephant’s mission is open borders. Even IF Trump is serious about the borders, he will someday be gone and the Elephant’s Dems will be in. Even IF there is a wall, the Dems will punch holes in it and serve refreshments as the immigrants pass thru. There is no way to save this nation state from globalism without taking on the Elephant. I have no idea how to effectively do that but that is what has to be done. Otherwise I enjoy Vdare. Smart guys and good arguments up to a point. Got to read something until the water rises above our heads

    You’re dead right about the Holocaust as a conspiracy theory. Novel idea. You should write about it By the way,, there were 3 academic anti- conspiracy theorists post WW2. Hofstadter, Popper and some guy I who can’t remember. All
    3 were Jews. Seem like a conspiracy?

  385. @turtle

    Yeah, you are right, In a sense the Germans are the real Jews. They seem destroyed ethnically.
    Of course that is what the Jews claimed the Germans were trying to do to them. Today Jews grow more arrogant by the day while the Germans invite mass quantities of third worlders into their country to prove that they are no longer the sort of people that the Jews alleged that they were. The Jews are genociding the Germans but the Germans are helping them do it. Sad.

    • Agree: Nonny Mouse
    • Replies: @Nonny Mouse
  386. @Carolyn Yeager

    Be careful. It’s not lunatic stuff. Studying the separation surgery best for conjoined twins might include such experiments. Evil stuff, not lunatic stuff.

    • Replies: @Carolyn Yeager
  387. @Leon

    Leon says:
    January 29, 2020 at 6:20 pm GMT • 100 Words

    I have been trying to locate the detailed information on Ernst Zundel and what he has contributed to the Revisionist movement. All the links on his wife’s site have been broken and it is hard to get to links for his stuff on Youtube, to be expected. We need to start a museum for Zundel and Irving to counter the lies of these Zionist monsters. We need it so we can save the children of humanity.

    ***

    Hot off the press, new CODOH book on Ernst Zündel, released 30 January 2020 !

    The First Zündel Trial
    The Court Transcript of the Canadian “False News” Trial of Ernst Zündel, 1985
    The First Zündel Trial

    After one of our dedicated volunteers has been slogging through a messy OCR output for more than half a year, cleaning up more than 5,000 pages full of “cockroaches”, we finally managed to release, just one hour ago, the printed version of the court transcript from the First Zündel Trial. Now everyone can read — and quote — what Ernst Zündel and his defense team accomplished during this phenomenal judicial event:

    The First Zündel Trial: The Court Transcript of the Canadian “False News” Trial of Ernst Zündel, 1985 (paperback, PDF, ePub, Kindle)

    The 1985 Toronto Trial against German immigrant Ernst Zündel for his disbelief in the orthodox Holocaust narrative was a turning point in revisionist history. This book makes the text of the complete court transcript available to the public. The eBook versions are available at no charge.

    https://shop.codoh.com/book/509/829

    MG

    • Thanks: Genrick Yagoda, eah
  388. Leo says:
    @annamaria

    You do know it’s not a quote of Solzhenitsyn right? these are words of David Duke.

    • Troll: Saggy, Trinity
    • Replies: @annamaria
  389. @mikesmith

    That is an interesting and complicated question which I am very interested in I am a recently recovering semophiled goy and just getting boned up on Jews theoretically so I am only just guessing.

    Circular as this seems I would say that a Jew is a Jew. A jew is not an American who HAPPENS to be Jewish A Jew is a Jew who HAPPENS to be an American.

    A Jew may be a citizen of of anywhere but he is always a priori a Jew. Jews are a nation within a nation. Their first loyalty is to the other members of their nation who are the Jews, Their first identification is with the Jews. Their primary concern is for what is good for the Jews, They do not necessarily agree with other Jews on what is good for the Jews but Jewish welfare is the issue
    for all of them.

    I emphasize Jewish welfare and not American welfare though what the Jews think is good for the Jews is not necessarily what is bad for Americans; nor do Jews wish to do Americans any particular harm as long as Jews get what is good for Jews. However, what is key is that the Jews first nation is the nation of the Jews. If they can only get the Jewish Nation’s welfare by harming the American nations’s welfare , they will do it.. They will not enjoy doing it the way they might enjoy hurting say Russian welfare as the Americans have not pogromed them like the Russians have, But they will, push come to shove, sacrifice the American nation for the Jewish Nation which of course includes its one actual geographical location – Israel .

    Then again there is a certain sense in which the Jew -given his Hebrew and Talmudic ethnocentricity( the chosen thing) – feels a certain mild contempt for those outside his nation no matter who they are nationally. They do not except Americans from this sort of ethnocentricity.

    Of course all individual exceptions to everything I just said are immediately granted But I doubt that there are a great many exceptions because the Jews, like all the rest of us, are a genetic formation without a huge range of possibilities. This is why they do seem to repeat themselves in certain areas such as usury even though this gets them evicted from their nations of residence every few centuries.

    What do you think Mike?

    • Replies: @mikesmith
  390. refl says:
    @Vaterland

    But the concrete policies and ideas of National Socialism have little to no actual tradition in German culture, philosophy and heritage. On this I agree with Hannah Arendt. For me Hitler himself was a dubious charismatic with talents,

    Spot on! Anyone, who has seen the places of Nationalsocialist worship like the Nuremberg setting for the NSDAP party conventions or the Wewelsburg has to admit that it is sick.

    Anyone, who has seen Vienna or any of the smaller residential centers of Germany – of which Berlin/ Potsdam were but one that reached prosperity only of late – will understand what ancient Germany really was about, that was destroyed and lost in the second thirty years war.

    Germany, post 1918, had lost its balance, which it might have recovered, if it had been spared the second blow. Anyone, who has dealt with the developments 1919 to 1939 must have wondered, how the completely boxed in Reich could pull off the strength for another war, above all, when the case was visibly lost from the start.
    This is only possible with a highly energetic band of fanatics, who took over the leadership and who thought that they had some superior support from the powers in the background.

    With the downfall of the monarchy, the stops were pulled out. There was a huge amount of real idealism to overcome the national catastrophe, but the leadership was reckless towards their own.

    If the state had survived, Germany would be possibly in a situation like modern Russia, who are in an absolutely contradictory position to integrate the communist era that was glorious and disastrous at the same time into the history of their nation.

    • Replies: @Carolyn Yeager
    , @Vaterland
  391. anon[112] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wally

    It’s a Dragline, not a crane.

    Note the second hoist rope controlling the bucket.

    Harnischfeger made those buckets up to 150 cubic yards capacity.

    Anyway, it’s not lifting bodies in that photo, but it’s not excavating holes just to fill them in either.

  392. @Tusk

    194. Tusk says:
    January 31, 2020 at 12:17 am GMT • 100 Words
    @Blankaerd

    Only by order of Himmler from roughly July 1942 onwards

    The orthodox holocaust position is that the ‘final solution’ of gassing Jews didn’t begin until mid 1942. Why would Himmler concurrently order the mass extermination of Jews along with orders to keep them healthy and disease free? The logic makes no sense at all. Either he didn’t order them to keep the prisoners healthy (we have evidence of this) or he did order the gassing of Jews (we only have circumstantial, shaky evidence of this).

    ***

    unz.com : Books Banned by Amazon Available for Purchase
    Healthcare in Auschwitz
    Medical Care and Special Treatment of Registered Inmates
    Carlo Mattogno • 2016 • £20.00
    https://www.unz.com/book/carlo_mattogno__healthcare-in-auschwitz/

    Free ebooks :

    Holocaust Handbooks, Volume 33:
    Healthcare in Auschwitz—Medical Care and Special Treatment of Registered Inmates
    by Carlo Mattogno
    https://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=33

    See also :

    Auschwitz prisoner category totals & deaths from all causes – January 1942 to January 1943

    Bletchley Park Concentration Camp Decodes
    http://whatreallyhappened.info/decrypts/ww2decrypts.html

    MG

  393. Blankaerd says:
    @Wally

    So your retreating from the ‘gas chambers’ claims? Yes or no?

    What gas chamber claims? It’s obvious that you do not actually read any of my posts, and so this is just a waste of time. Type less, read more.

  394. annamaria says:
    @melpol

    Have you tried to hint about the pain of Palestinians, inflicted by the “most moral” Jewish State? The sanctimonious holobiz promoters rushed to use epigenetics for the indefinite continuation of the profitable schema of holobiz. Too bad that Palestinian kids have been growing under the conditions of degradation and mortal danger imposed by the “most victimized” and “most moral” Jews.

    Why do Epstein, Maxwell, Zhabotinsky, Lazar Kaganovich, Rozalia Zalkind, the self-proclaimed terrorists of Irgun come to mind? There were millions of innocent civilians slaughtered in the Middle East for the glory of Eretz Israel during the last 17 years. Russia has lost millions of the best and brightest on the sadistic orders of Jewish Bolsheviks.
    You do protest too much, Mrs. “melpol.”

    Despite the “never-ending pain,” the majority of Jews avoid living in the Jewish State and prefer instead to live within the confines of western civilization. Israel is obviously not loved by the Jews. The indecent toy-state is used for tribal solidarity and as a safe house of Jewish criminals, worldwide. While preferring to live in the countries of the western world, zionists have been quite effective in destroying the most important traditions of western civilization (the freedom of information among the first victims) — all while crying in pain.

    • Replies: @melpol
  395. annamaria says:
    @PeterMX

    “I believe rather than fighting the Russians they should hold rallies against the Jews in their gov’t pushing for bad relations with Russia and protesting the despicable behavior of Jews…”

    – Agree. The situation in Ukraine deserves greater attention from Europeans and Americans alike. Ukraine is a lab showing:
    1. an ultimate level of moral relativism demonstrated by zionists by their open cooperation with and military support for the self-proclaimed neo-nazi, in the context of the incessant wailing about holohoax;
    2. the stratospheric level of ziocons’ hatred towards Russia, the principal victim of Jewish Bolsheviks and bankers;
    3. the degradation of a whole country for financial and political gains of a tiny, mostly Jewish, group of super-wealthy scoundrels.

    • Replies: @PeterMX
  396. melpol says:
    @anon

    Many Jews left for big city capitals in NYC and London. Others purchased police protection in Warsaw and Berlin. Those that stayed accepted humiliation and physical abuse. Some Polish Jews still prospered but never without help from the Polish Mafia.

  397. @Mulegino1

    Right, they went too far with the myth making. The suspension of disbelief was put under too much strain. I can testify to that myself, since I have gone from belief in the Holocaust (albeit not belief in the full official narrative) to a high degree of scepticism owing entirely to the overload of mythology.

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Mulegino1
  398. anon[837] • Disclaimer says:
    @Vaterland

    Personally from my non-European perspective, I always thought it was tragic that Germany and Russia were manipulated into fighting each other in both World Wars. They were natural allies geopolitically and Germans and Slavs have more in common with each other than with Anglos and Frenchmen. Hitler was an absolute lunatic for starting Operation Barbarossa when the non-aggression pact was working well for both of them.

    • Replies: @Carolyn Yeager
    , @refl
  399. @HorriblyDepressed

    “Each of these men was supported by a small but powerful cabal within their own countries to start a war that the great majority of their own people did not want and that Adolf Hitler, the German government and the German people were desperate to avoid”

    If only Hitler did not invade Czechoslovakia, Austria, Poland, France, Norway, Russia, etc,etc,
    war could have been avoided.

    The Russians did ultimately expel the fierce superman. Sent him back to where he belonged.

    • Troll: Beefcake the Mighty
    • Replies: @HorriblyDepressed
    , @Wally
  400. @Sam J.

    “…It was on fire too…”

    Yes that’s so but only on three or four floors.

    “Only on three or four floors.”  Can you even listen to yourself and recognize HOW FAW. KING. STEW. PIT. EWE. ARE?

    Here’s a video of about two hours before it fell. Look how he pans up you can see it’s not completely on fire.

    Two HOURS before it fell.  What was the situation WHEN it fell, idiot?  And how much collapse is required to take the entire building down?  (Roughly 1 floor, because impact of a collapsed floor on the one below is sufficient to take it down, and all lower floors by implication.)

    You are SUCH. AY. FAW. KING. MOW. RON. that you cannot understand that pictures like THIS prove CONCLUSIVELY that the collapses of the WTC buildings progressed WAY slower than freefall:

    Do you SEE the debris falling well ahead of the collapse front, with dust in its trail?  I know you SEE it, but you cannot UNDERSTAND it.  You are TOO STUPID to understand the evidence right in front of your eyes, which conflicts with the lying narrative you chose to believe.  That choice was yours; you need to be held responsible for it.

    Everyone should be required to pass a test on such matters before being allowed to vote or enter higher education.  Preferably, no one who fails such tests should reproduce or have any influence upon the public, including teaching, practicing law or writing opinion pieces in any medium.  They are the epitome of “fake news”.

    • Replies: @Genrick Yagoda
  401. Saggy says: • Website
    @melpol

    To me being a Jew was the experience received in my early life living among secular Jews. There is no bond I have for any Jewish sects or the state of Israel.

    You have internalized the lies. And, it’s all lies. E.g. the holohoax.

  402. melpol says:
    @annamaria

    Zionists who wrestle with Arabs in Gaza are portrayed as the leaders in international cruelty. But if one shifts their focus elsewhere they will see others are guilty of larger instances of cruelty as they wrestle with the people of Afghanistan and Iraq. Why should Zionists be voted to be number one on the cruelty hit parade? The answer is Israel is being used as a scapegoat to cover up much larger instances of cruelty.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  403. Trinity says:

    I see poster pointed out how the poor, persecuted Jewish people for the most part still prefer to live in Europe and America and endure all the “anti-Semitisim” heaped on them from the goyim rather than live in Israel. Funny, you would think that they would be flooding into “the Promised Land” rather than put up with all that “anti-Semitisism” and “oppression” they have to endure living among goyim. lolol. Jews and Black folk, both so terribly oppressed by White Gentiles but yet they won’t leave for the greener pastures in Israel or Africa? I, for one, would be on the first ticket out of here to Europe IF all nonwhites living in Europe would have to return to their ancestral homelands. I have even thought about Iceland. Maybe that is how we can bring about world peace. Let the Jews all return to the Middle East, African Americans and Africans in Europe return back to Africa, and of course Whites could all return to Europe. And these would be one way tickets to stay, people living among their own kind. Now I will bet you the house that Whites would prosper and be more far more successful while the others? What do you think?

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  404. PeterMX says:
    @annamaria

    I can’t imagine any serious organization proclaiming themselves to be “NAZI” or “neo-NAZI”, just as I could not imagine a Jewish organization proclaiming itself the “Anti Defamation of Kikes League” or a black organization proclaiming itself to be the “National Association for the Advancement of Niggers”. National Socialists and other Germans did not call themselves “NAZIS”. I can imagine Ukrainians honoring soldiers, men, women or anyone else that cooperated with the Germans that stopped the murder of Ukrainians by the Soviets when the Wehrmacht entered Ukraine in 1941 and were welcomed as heroes in cities and villages that suffered greatly under Soviet rule. Indeed, the Ukrainian governemnt does honor these people and the Jews (Israel) are asking (demanding?) they change that.

    Patriotic Russians, Ukrainians and others that celebrate the USSR have a problem reconciling their “greatness” with the fact that significant numbers of Soviets preferred the invading Germans to the mass murderes of the Soviet Union. It’s also well documented that after the Germans entered Ukraine and Russia they belped people build houses and improve their lives. Obviously, people that were trying to kill German soldiers wer not treated that way and under the rules of war, those attacking soldiers that are not wearing an identifiiable uniform themsleves are subject to execution. There were many such people the Soviets used and they were called “partisams”.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  405. Alfred says:
    @Mr. Rational

    It kills by binding to hemoglobin and blocking uptake of oxygen.

    Correct. But that is not the point. They needed their very limited diesel supplies for far more important tasks. They would have used something else – e.g. coal deprived of O2.

    Heavens, they were making liquid fuel out coal at great expense.

    • Replies: @HorriblyDepressed
  406. @Mr. Rational

    QUOTE (Roughly 1 floor, because impact of a collapsed floor on the one below is sufficient to take it down, and all lower floors by implication.) END QUOTE

    Hhahaha!! Please stop, my sides! And you have the nerve to call other people morons?

    @Eric Striker- This is not the right thread for 911 BS, particularly not from low IQ fools who should be rebuked by others who won’t rise to the off topic bait. You might consider not approving their spam posts. Thanks.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  407. @Sam J.

    I sincerely appreciate your thoughtful comments. I have a couple of quibbles, however…

    This is not necessarily true. Hitler should have never attacked Poland. Without the attack on Poland I doubt that the allies could have ever ginned up enough support for WWII. Hitler knew, or should have known, that Great Britain had ALWAYS gone to war to balance the power of the various States on the continent of Europe. Poland was too far. That the Germans were pushed I have no doubt but he was the one that attacked Poland…”

    Read “The Forced War” by David Hoggan, available on UR. It is long, detailed and very thoroughly documented. Let me summarize my takeaway from this book: Poland started the war between Germany and Poland. The British pushed, prodded and encouraged Poland to provoke the war, but provoke it the Polish did. In the weeks and months leading up to war, tens of thousands of ethnic Germans were murdered in Poland for the high crime of being German. The Poles pushed the Germans to the point where Hitler felt he had no choice but to respond. The source of the conflict between Germany and Poland is too complex to summarize in a single sentence, but the essential point is that Hitler tried is best to resolve the conflict peacefully, and the Poles did their best to keep the conflict alive.

    I encourage you to read the book for yourself, but – in a nutshell – all of the various “winners” of WWI thought there was more to be won from starting WWII. The British wanted to finish Germany for good and eliminate any possible future competition. The Bolsheviks, having won Russia, thought they could win the world. The Poles, having wrested a nation out of the ruins of Germany and Russia in WWI thought they could extend their borders and their power further in WWII.

    The “losers” of WWI, on the other hand, were desperate to avoid a rematch. These included: the German government and the German people; the French government and the French people; the Russian people, the British people, and the American people. However, the “winners” got their war anyway. For the most part, WWII did not turn out as they expected, but then war is always a gamble.

    As I said, learning all of this has been like waking up in the Matrix and discovering that your whole life, everything you thought you knew, has been a lie. History is a lie that we tell to conceal our shame.

    As for democracy, let us not confuse Democracy with the act of voting for this or that politician. It is easy to get confused on this point, but Democracy is not allowing the people to choose their rulers from among an approved list. Democracy is allowing the people to rule themselves as much as possible. When you phrase it that way, it becomes clear that Democracy is a delicate political system which can exist only in the most favorable conditions. Let us also admit at once that our “elites” are appalled at the very idea of allowing us to rule ourselves.

    Q: “Why do my eyes hurt?”
    A: “Because you’ve never used them before.”

    Is it any wonder that I am horribly depressed? I can understand why Cipher wanted to re-take the blue pill.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    , @Sam J.
  408. Trinity says:

    As countless others have pointed out over the years, you would think that Jews would be happy to know that less than “6 million” perished in these camps. Of course the “6 million” number has been debunked even “officially” along with the shrunken heads, lampshades, and bars of soap, but oddly even today so-called “credible” (((news sources))) still quote that number. Admittedly I don’t give that much thought to the “holocaust” because of all the ridiculous claims and the fact that legit historians have been imprisoned for even questioning the narrative tells me and anyone else with an IQ above an earthworm that there are more lies surrounding this period in history than truths. I think the best way to push this event into the dustbin of history is to basically ignore it and even quit legitimizing some of these outlandish tales by talking about them. It really is a shame that the German people have been demoralized so badly by this event in history. Most of the ethnic Germans I have met are usually very intelligent, honest and kind, which is the polar opposite of most Jewish folk for the most part. The different characteristics between Germans and Jewish people also helps my decision when it comes to believing the so-called “holocaust,” not to mention the way I have observed the Israeli treatment of Palestinians and other Middle Easterners, not to mention how Jews in America and Europe preach open borders, integration of our schools, Jewish professors inculcate young minds with anti-White hatred, etc, while over in Israel a book of fiction about the love affair between an Israeli woman and a Palestinian man is banned and you can forget open borders for Israel. Now if you are making these same observations, who would you believe when it comes to stories about the “holocaust.” And now Jews want to censor speech that criticizes Jews and/or Israel? What the hell have they been doing to Germans for decades?

    • Agree: annamaria, Alfred
  409. Ron Unz says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Cochran, an anthropologist and physicist, is easily one of the smartest commenters on your site. I understand you may have some buyer’s remorse with respect to your financial dealings with him – I don’t know if that’s what motivated this ludicrous take of yours, or you are simply no longer able to judge which of your commenters are intelligent.

    Look, I’ve known Cochran for about twenty years, probably far longer than you…

    At first, I wasn’t particularly impressed by him, but about 15 years ago he co-authored some very important papers that really got my attention. Since he’s a very aggressive fellow, it’s possible that he got more of the credit for them than he deserved. In any event, I was sufficiently impressed that I gave him a large grant.

    https://www.unz.com/announcement/expanding-our-science-and-history-coverage/#comment-1692032

    However, he soon began spouting off on so many other things about which he was obviously entirely ignorant (and wrong!) that his credibility totally collapsed. Frankly, I don’t think that anyone has ever fallen so rapidly in my estimation.

    That all happened almost a decade ago. More recently, his late friend Henry Harpending (a very serious scholar) was purged by the MSM, and Cochran’s obviously terrified of suffering the same fate. Presumably, that’s why he now goes around claiming that dead Jewish bodies are subject to “spontaneous combustion” and disappear without a trace.

    I’m only very slightly familiar with you, but from what I vaguely recall, you earn your living driving for Uber and (I think) spend a lot of energy ranting about immigrants and Muslims. So perhaps to you Cochran’s a genius…

  410. @Alfred

    Heavens, they were making liquid fuel out coal at great expense.

    I have read that 75% of the oil used by the Germans in WWII was synthetically manufactured from coal. It is truly amazing that they were able to fight on as long as they did.

  411. annamaria says:
    @Leo

    Have you heard about the murder of the Russian imperial family on orders of Jewish Bolsheviks? Learn about your mega criminals. Here are the names of some prominent Jewish mass murderers: Lazar Kaganovich (organizer of Holodomor), Rozali Zalkind (organizer of the extermination of Russian officer corps), Naftaly Frenkel (inventor of a murderous scheme applied to the prisoners in the forced-labor camp system known as GULAG), brothers Bermans (one was in charge of the secret police and another of the GULAG).

    Leon Bronshtein (Trotsky) was financed by a Jewish banker Jakob Schiff. The same Schiff was highly active in arranging the Russo-Japanese War of 1904-1905. https://www.counter-currents.com/2013/10/wall-street-and-the-march-1917-russian-revolution/.

    The individual most responsible for turning American opinion, including government and diplomatic opinion, against Czarist Russia was the journalist George Kennan, who was sponsored by Schiff.

    … during the Russo-Japanese War of 1904-1905 Kennan was in Japan organising Russian POWs into ‘revolutionary cells’ and claimed to have converted “52,000 Russian soldiers into ‘revolutionists’…

    The movement was financed by a New York banker Mr Schiff.

    It was not Russia alone that had been suffering the sadism of Jewish revolutionaries: ttps://www.timesofisrael.com/moscow-museum-gives-the-full-picture-of-jewish-role-in-1917-russian-revolution/

    Zsolt Bayer, a co-founder of Hungary’s ruling Fidesz party, last year wrote in an op-ed: “Why are we surprised that the simple peasant whose determinant experience was that the Jews broke into his village, beat his priest to death, threatened to convert his church into a movie theater — why do we find it shocking that 20 years later he watched without pity as the gendarmes dragged the Jews away from his village?”

    The more you and the likes cry holohoax, the greater the exposure of Jewish revolutionary activities in Eastern Europe and Russia and of the ongoing zionists’ crimes in the Middle East. The Russian tragedy was about the Jewish sadism and murderous hatred.

    • Replies: @Leo
    , @Craig Nelsen
  412. Arqoj says:
    @Curmudgeon

    Hi,
    Comment correct. The germans went away, with the prisonners. Lot of them died during this foot trip.
    My father was there. A french resistant from Lorraine. He has been sent there, after seven other ones before, then in Flossenberg (one of the Auschwitz working camps).
    Best regards.

    • Replies: @Mike P
  413. annamaria says:
    @melpol

    “Why should Zionists be voted to be number one on the cruelty hit parade?”

    — Why? Because of the holobiz. Zionists insist on putting Jewish people on a pedestal, as the paragons of the incomparable morality and incomparable victimhood. And don’t forget the profiteering schema of holobiz: the reparations, compensations, museums, tax-deductions, a complete prohibition on criticizing Jewish misdemeanors and crimes.

    Make a choice — either zionists are banal criminals, like all other criminals, or zionists are very special moral beings who should not be criticized under any circumstances.
    For now, considering the Jewish Bolsheviks’ crimes in Russia and the ziocons’ crimes in the Middle East, plus the persecution of holobiz revisionists and the zionists’ attacks on the First Amendment, zionists are indeed number one on the cruelty hit parade.

    • Agree: Trinity
  414. Mike P says:
    @Arqoj

    Flossenberg (one of the Auschwitz working camps).

    Flossenbürg (not -berg) is in Bavaria, nowhere near Auschwitz. You are probably just another impostor – or someone with so little knowledge of even their own family’s history that you better shut your trap. And of course, we know that every Frenchman and their dog was part of the fabled Resistance … from the almost complete lack of retribution by the Germans against French civilians, we can infer that this Resistance was mostly imaginary.

  415. annamaria says:
    @PeterMX

    I understand your point but we cannot change semantics at will. Thanks to zionists, the word ‘neo-nazi’ has got certain currency and this currency should hit the zionists back as per Ukraine, this current playground for zionists and their protege Banderites.

    Germans have been the greatest contributors to western civilization, from Gauss to Bach and Beethoven to Leibnitz, Helmholtz, Boltzmann, and Plank. Germans are salt of the earth. It is terribly painful to think about the great loss suffered by the German genetic pool during the 20th century. They must persist and recover.

    • Replies: @PeterMX
  416. @Ron Unz

    QUOTE he now goes around claiming that dead Jewish bodies are subject to “spontaneous combustion” and disappear without a trace. END QUOTE

    More Convergence of evidence! Jews are made from Naphtha!

    Perhaps this is what took down the Twin Towers. The Jet fuel exploded, causing a chain reaction…….

  417. Wally says:
    @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    Your points are well taken.
    And remember, all Revisionists were once Believers …. until we looked for proof. Don’t be shy, there are no rational arguments or physical evidence for anything within the tall tale. I’ve looked, to no avail.

    Many try a sort of “holocaust-lite” approach for which there is no more proof than anything else in the narrative, I suppose that it makes the step-down easier.

    Cognitive dissonance hits some harder than others, hence some just will not, cannot let go; especially when they politically and materially benefit from it.

    Revisionists are just the messengers, the absurd impossibility of the narrative is the message.

    Cheers

    • Replies: @HorriblyDepressed
  418. @White Monkey

    I once read a short story by Charles Stross presenting the 007 story from the point of view of Blofeldt. In it, James Bond was an alcoholic, womanizing thug who went around murdering Blofeldt’s senior employees.

    I remember watching the Hollywood version of history when I was five years old. You don’t question reality when you are five. And when a consistent picture has been presented to you for your entire life, questioning reality is a real feat of willpower even at 50.

  419. Mulegino1 says:
    @Mr. Rational

    You are correct about CO being toxic at certain levels.

    The point I should have made is that diesel exhaust is not immediately or imminently lethal. That is why diesel generators are safely used in mine shafts. Diesel exhaust is an irritant however, and long term exposure to it can cause high blood pressure and lung disease. But as a means of execution it is virtually useless.

    • Agree: Erebus
  420. Mulegino1 says:
    @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    I think that most of us here followed the same path that you did with respect to the Holocaust- from utter credulity to doubt to total disbelief.

    For me, initially, doubting the Holocaust and “Good War” narratives seemed- in a visceral sense- absolutely sinful and shameful. But once one applies reason and logic to the pseudo-religiosity and moral monstrosities of Shoahism, the truth emerges and overcomes the utter falsehoods of this nonsensical and self-serving Jewish fable.

    • Agree: HorriblyDepressed
  421. @Genrick Yagoda

    [Too much off-topic 9/11 stuff.]

    Do try to look up, read and understand terms like “live load” ratings of floors, and see how they apply to little things like collapsing buildings.  Also look up “Young’s modulus” in the context of the strength of steel reinforcement and trusses under conditions of fire temperatures.

    [MORE]

    (I know you won’t, because your mind is made up and you lack the introspective capacity to go where such facts would take you.  But others might.  I write this TO you, but FOR them.)

    This is not the right thread for 911 BS, particularly not from low IQ fools

    I’m dead certain my IQ is at least 20 points higher than yours.  I had mine tested in an all-day session at age 14.  Ravens progressive matrices are a real bore, BTW.

  422. Learner says:

    Great and revealing article. I’ve always doubted the number of six million victims in the concentration camps. That would mean about 5400 per day within a three year period 24/7.

  423. @HorriblyDepressed

    QFT:

    As for democracy, let us not confuse Democracy with the act of voting for this or that politician. It is easy to get confused on this point, but Democracy is not allowing the people to choose their rulers from among an approved list. Democracy is allowing the people to rule themselves as much as possible. When you phrase it that way, it becomes clear that Democracy is a delicate political system which can exist only in the most favorable conditions. Let us also admit at once that our “elites” are appalled at the very idea of allowing us to rule ourselves.

    • Thanks: HorriblyDepressed
  424. @europeasant

    If only Hitler did not invade Czechoslovakia, Austria, Poland, France, Norway, Russia, etc,etc,

    1. Germany invaded Russia, because Russia was about to invade Germany. If Germany had not invaded Russia in June, 1941, then Russia would have invaded Germany by August 1941.

    2. Germany invaded France because Germany was already at war with France. France and Britain declared war on Germany in September, 1939. Almost immediately the British began bombing German cities (mostly civilian targets) and France invaded Germany within two weeks (albeit unsuccessfully). There was no way for Germany to end the war without overwhelming France.

    3. Germany invaded Norway, because the British were about to invade Norway and then Sweden in order to cut off Germany’s supply of iron ore. The German navy could not hope to defeat the British navy, so the Germans had no other way to prevent the British invasion than by preempting it.

    4. The German takeover of Austria was hardly an “invasion” in the classical sense. It was more like a merger of two countries supported by a military parade. Hardly a shot was fired as far as I know, and the Anschluss was wildly popular with the Austrians. Plus, the Austrians became full citizens of the Reich which did not happen anywhere the Germans actually invaded. I can confidently assert, that the U.S. Federal Government would get more resistance “invading” Wyoming than the Austrians offered the Germans.

    5. The German occupation of Czechoslovakia also did not fit the “invasion” model very well. In 1938, Czechoslovakia was near to civil war. The Czechs, who comprised 40% of the population, ruled over the other ethnic groups with an iron fist. Virtually all of the ethnic minorities in Czechoslovakia wanted out of Czechoslovakia. The ethnic Germans and Slovakians were only the most numerous. The Ukrainians, Ruthenians, Hungarians and Poles also wanted out. The Czech government wasn’t conquered, it collapsed.

    After the German portions of Czechoslovakia were ceded to the Reich, then Slovakia seceded to form their own country. (I will note that the resentment of the Slovakians for the Czechs was – and is – so intense that they did the same thing 50 years later after the collapse of Communism.) After this partition, Poland, Hungary and Romania were all circling to carve off their own ethnic slices from Czechoslovakia. In essence, both Czechia and Slovakia asked Germany to arbitrate this process and to guarantee the new borders with military force. An invasion, this was not.

    None of these examples demonstrate that Hitler was intent on aggressive war to conquer Europe. Of course, none of this fits the official narrative history of WWII. That does not mean it isn’t true. It just means that we’ve been deceived all our lives. (I will grant that most of the deceivers were themselves deceived. Lying is a lot easier if you, yourself believe the lie.)

    What is the Matrix? No one can be told what the Matrix is. You have to see it for yourself.

  425. @Wally

    Cognitive dissonance hits some harder than others, hence some just will not, cannot let go; especially when they politically and materially benefit from it.

    It hit me like an anvil.

    • Replies: @Wally
  426. @Nonny Mouse

    Be careful?! What is there to be careful about? A defense of lunacy from you?

  427. @Mike P

    You are probably just another impostor – or someone with so little knowledge of even their own family’s history that you better shut your trap.

    Perhaps he is, but let us grant the benefit of the doubt. I have Jewish friends who swallow the myth hook line and sinker. They speak of family members who died in German extermination camps. I do not believe that any of these people are consciously misrepresenting the truth. All of this took place (or did not take place) 75 years ago. That is at least two, probably three, and perhaps four generations! They have heard these stories all their lives from their fathers, mothers, uncles, aunts, grandparents, etc. To disbelieve these family stories would be to disbelieve the people whom they most love and trust in all the world.

    As another commentator on this thread noted, “Cognitive Dissonance hits some harder than others.” Let us have a little empathy and treat people with respect (even if they do not extend us the same courtesy). Only a respectful disagreement can possibly give those who disagree with us the mental and emotional room they need to surrender these deeply held myths.

    Then again, he may be a troll, but everything I said before still applies. Let us treat him with respect. In that way, even if we do not convince him, we may convince others who witness the debate.

    😉

  428. @refl

    You can say all these things, but you have no grounds giving you the right to say them. You are not a German, but a foreigner with a German passport. You are what is so wrong in Germany, and a product of the foreign-imposed Federal Republic education system. My belief comes from things you have said on this forum previously, admitting that you are not an ethnic German. Even if you were born in post-war Germany, you will never be an ethnic German, thus incapable of fairly judging patriotic German men and women of the past, present or future.

    • Troll: refl
  429. Trinity says:

    “Hitler wanted to conquer the world.”
    “Whites are inherently racist.”

    Psychological Projection: A defense mechanism in which the human ego defends itself against unconscious impulse or qualities ( both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others.

    Take your pick on this one. So many examples. WWI, WWII, Vietnam, 9-11, etc. etc. I will use this one for an example. Either Hitler or Goebbels talked about the Jewish press and how they had adopted the intentional habit of repeating “The Big Lie” to the gullible public. They found if they told “The Big Lie” often enough that pretty soon the public would buy it hook, line and sinker as the gospel truth. Interestingly most people today think incorrectly that Hitler or Goebbels were talking about themselves using “The Big Lie” hahaha. Even “The Big Lie” has become “THE BIG LIE.” smdh.

    Deception: The action of deceiving someone.

  430. Blankaerd says:
    @HorriblyDepressed

    1. Hitler invaded Russia first and foremost because he was short on resources, including food. Backe placed Germany on rations as early as 1936, because the country was struggling with building up a surplus. The kriegsmarine and the luftwaffe were no mach for the RAF and the Royal Navy, and Britain did not show any signs of wanting to enter a peace deal with the Germans despite many offerings by Hitler. So in order to knock out Britain Hitler had to match the RAF and the Royal Navy, and that required immense resources. Any premature attempt at a mainland invasion of Britain in 1940/41 would’ve utterly failed without extensive navy and airforce support.

    So he had to invade the Soviet Union, an entity that Hitler judged to be relatively weak and he believed the campaign would last no longer than three months. He was over-confident, especially after his swift victory over France. Unfortunately the Abwehr – probably one of the best military intelligence agencies on the globe at the time -was filled with anti-Hitler conspirators like Canaris. The Abwehr had excellent, completely up-to-date information on Soviet military strength and production capabilities, yet that information never reached Hitler because of Canaris. Hitler later confided to Mannerheim that had he known about the Soviet tank strength and production capabilities he would have had second thoughts about invading the USSR.

    Stalin probably had plans to invade Europe, but it’s utterly laughable to suggest that he would’ve launched the invasion as early as August 1941. He just won a rather embarrassing Phyrric victory in Finland and he liquidated a large portion of his officer corps. An invasion of Europe would’ve been feasible in 1943 at the earliest.

    4. Technically speaking it was an invasion. Austria was to become a protectorate of Germany, this is what Hitler agreed on with Kurt Schuschnigg. Yet a day after making the agreement, Schuschnigg called for a plebiscite. It was Hitler’s fear that the plebiscite could potentially result in an anti-nazi party coming to power in Austria, thus ending Hitler’s dreams prematurely. So Hitler quickly mobilized his forces and invaded Austria, but the Austrian army was forced to stand down and the German army was welcomed by the Austrian population. Instead of a protectorate, Austria was fully integrated into the Reich. Ultimately the annexation of Austria worked out better for Hitler than he could ever dream of.

    5. A fact that gets glossed over often is that Poland also invaded Czechoslovakia. Hitler tolerated the invasion in the hopes that he could get the Danzig corridor in return, and, well, we both know how that turned out.

    • LOL: Wally
    • Replies: @Theodore
  431. @anon

    Your non-European perspective makes you blind, deaf and dumb to the reality of Germans being in the FAMILY of the British, French, Scandinavians and other Western Europeans. Especially the Germanic family, which also makes up a good part of the English, and certainly not the Slavic family.

    It’s interesting how the Slavs want to claim as much of the Germanic as they can get away with (like even Berlin in 1939!), and too many Germans go along with them. A big mistake in my opinion. And when you start denouncing Hitler as a “lunatic” for starting OB, for not IGNORING the threat from Stalin’s already obvious treachery against Germany and the West … you show your non-European mentality for what it is.

    • Replies: @Cyrano
  432. @Mr. Rational

    I will agree, there is too much off topic stuff about the collapse of the WTC. I have written a good bit of it myself on this thread. In one way, however, it is a natural association: these are the two greatest historical myths of our generation. Moreover, once you begin to question either myth, they are so big that you begin to question everything that you think you know.

    The 9/11 myth, like the Holocaust myth, is the gateway to the Matrix.

    • Agree: Trinity, 9/11 Inside job
    • Replies: @Mulegino1
    , @Mr. Rational
  433. Mulegino1 says:
    @HorriblyDepressed

    In a sense, the 9/11 myth is the gentile Americans’ mini-Holocaust:

    Like the Shoah, the official narrative is sacrosanct. Questioning it is demonized in the mainstream media and polite society.

    The “truth” of the official narrative was ratified by a “commission” as opposed to a trial- which- as in the Nuremberg IMT- applied the concept of judicial notice (as opposed to empirical evidence) in its conclusions.

    The acceptance of the entire narrative depends upon a faith based belief, not upon any real physical evidence.

    The bed of Procrustes rule applies, i.e., the evidence must fit the narrative, not, as in the real world, the narrative must accommodate the physical evidence.

    The benefits of both the Holocaust and 9/11 accrue almost entirely to the Jews and Israel (and a few of their pet shabbos goyim).

    • Agree: kikl
  434. @Mike P

    The French Resistance was Jewish. That’s it. Thanks for calling him out on his tale.

    I disagree with “HorriblyDepressed” that we should show empathy to these liars. No wonder he’s “horribly depressed.”

    • Replies: @Mike P
  435. @Dave Pinsen

    You don’t have to be a philosemite or a supporter of Israel to acknowledge that there was a systematic genocide by the Nazis that killed millions of Jews.

    In like manner, questioning the Holocaust myth does not make you an antisemite.

    For that matter, being an antisemite (if one is an antisemite) does not make you evil.

  436. @HorriblyDepressed

    I will agree, there is too much off topic stuff about the collapse of the WTC.

    I didn’t write that.  That boldface statement, and the “MORE” tag, were inserted by an editor.

  437. PeterMX says:
    @HorriblyDepressed

    It just shows that the majority of people are stupid, trained to be stupid by the lying allies. People that were not exposed to a modern European history class in school probably speak more intelligently than those that did go to school. School makes people stupid. It lowers their IQ.

    • Replies: @kikl
  438. kikl says:
    @PeterMX

    “People that were not exposed to a modern European history class in school probably speak more intelligently than those that did go to school. School makes people stupid. It lowers their IQ.”

    In a way that’s true. People who are not subject to incessant indocrtination and trauma based mind control immediately doubt the holocaust narrative. It is an outrageous claim that must be substantiated with solid evidence. However, the evidence for the gas chambers of Auschwitz boils down to the testimony of around thirty supposed eye witnesses.

    Just think, we have more evidence (witnesses) for witches, aliens and UFOs… But questioning the holocaust story in the west turns you into a social outcast or a prisoner. We live in medieval ages.

    • Agree: PeterMX
  439. PeterMX says:
    @annamaria

    I don’t understand your point. An insult created by people filled with hatred should not be treated as perfectly normal and if these people do not call themseves “NAZIS”, as I very much suspect they do not, the reason is the same reason Jews don’t refer to themselves as kikes and blacks don’t refer to thenselves as niggers. “NAZI” was popularized, probably by Jews in the media, to demean and insult every time its repeated. The proper terminolog is National Socialist and many people know what it means, even after being programmed to use the word “NAZI”.

    • Agree: turtle
    • Replies: @turtle
  440. Anon[195] • Disclaimer says:

    I never failed to be amazed at the endless stream of “holocaust survivors” of the famously efficient Germans that conversely managed to not leave so much as leave a single gassed corpse as evidence.

    Which is it, were the Germans so effective so as to be able to break the laws of physics to gas and cremate millions of Jews in a few short years,

    or does any given Jew among millions miraculously have “tons of survivors” in their family (a phrase that recently I heard a Jew utter)?

    It isn’t both. And the Jews sure do claim the latter quite a bit.

    For how much longer does Jewish Power think that it can keep the Holocaust myth alive? I once read a more outwardly honest Jew estimate the “false” (his sentiment) Holocaust myth longevity at no more than forty years, and that sentiment was written at least 10-15 years ago.

    The foundations of its popular faith are getting ever weaker, not stronger, and that trend isn’t going to reverse. Lies are akin to paint over a true surface: the false surface almost always erodes with time.

  441. refl says:
    @anon

    I would rather say that the German nobility spawned a huge section of the Russian ruling class. I would really like to understand that part better myself.

    It is known that the tzar during WWI earned bad fame for appearing German, with his own ancestry and a German born wife. It is also obvious that in tzarist Russia there was a huge disconnect between the leadership and the people. The Baltic regions were strongly Germanized. So the Nazi invasion was not that much about race, but rather the former lords claiming back their assumed rights.

    On the other hand, Germans have always felt to be part of the West – to the point that in both World Wars they could not believe that said West would allow them to be destroyed.

    Think of it: To the last day the Wehrmacht leadership did everything to detach its troops from the east and allow them to surrender to the Western allies, where those same soldiers would find them being starved to death in the Rhine meadow camps.

    It was Adolf Hitler who in his last words said that the German people deserved to go under, because the ‘Ostvolk’ had proved to be stronger. It takes a character to say such a final ‘fuck you’ to his own people whom he let suffer for his vision, but he had an idea of what the West would turn out to be.

    • Replies: @Vaterland
  442. Cyrano says:
    @Carolyn Yeager

    It’s interesting how the Slavs want to claim as much of the Germanic as they can get away with (like even Berlin in 1939!)

    Slavs want to claim something from the Germans? It’s the other way around sister(?). Even the name of your capital Berlin is Slavic – because it’s located on stolen Slavic lands – those of the now extinct Slavs -thanks to the Germans (what else is new?) Polabian Slavs.

    The name Berlin – according to Wikipedia it means swamp land or other such nonsense. My take is that Berlin means meeting place, gathering place – for Slavs, not for Germans.

    But the reality is now different. And we want to take something from the Germans? That’s rich, taking into account what I have just said, that even your capital resides on a stolen Slavic land.

    Look what you’ve made me do – come out of retirement in order to deal with your stupidity.

    • Replies: @Vaterland
    , @refl
  443. Germany’s attack on Poland probably wasn’t the wisest thing to do, but it doesn’t even remotely compare to the lunacy of Britain’s idiotic guarantee to the Poles, which ensured that a local dispute would turn into a global conflagration that Britain could not hope to win without being bailed out by the US (again). Even more shocking, they failed to comprehend that their empire would be the price of American support. It’s as if the aftermath of WW1 (when the US refused to forgive the massive debt Britain incurred to them) failed to make any impression on them.

    • Replies: @Alfred
  444. Vaterland says:
    @refl

    Anyone, who has seen the places of Nationalsocialist worship like the Nuremberg setting for the NSDAP party conventions or the Wewelsburg has to admit that it is sick.

    I don’t think they are sick at all. I also think that Triumph of the Will is probably the most aestheticly pleasing film of all time with a moral and spiritual quality to the propaganda. But Schein und Sein are very different matters; that goes for all things war, too. And it also applies to propaganda of “glorious communism” as you call it. In a very simplified term I view the 3rd Reich as basically a right-wing GDR with a much more advanced technology apparatus and better economic system. Gestapo instead of Stasi, KZ instead of Gulag, a snitching party member instead of a Blockwart. Just another aberration of anti-metaphysical, totalitarian materialistic organisation of absolute and in its final conclusion global dominance. Absolute power to replace the absolute truth of the one God. Hopefully neo-liberalism, which has become a totalitarian, global ideology, is the last mutation of this inherent problem of modern organization of consciousness and power, of mass society. Just like Max Planck had called National Socialism a result of the rise of the age of masses.

    I am also a very staunch anti-communist and consider the glorification of Stalin and Bolshevism in Russia the most worrying trend of all. The fact that they are more appealing than exclusive Jewish oligarchy under Yeltsin is not an argument for communism, but against exclusively Jewish vulture capitalism. If I have positive notions for Russia then because Russia is older and greater than communism, hopefully. And I equally don’t share the delusions so many white nationalist types have about Putin. But again I consider the chance of personalities and the theater of ideology mostly a smoke screen for the very real and substantial organization of modern hard power and thus the US Empire very similar to the 3rd Reich and Soviet Union.

    [MORE]

    Just like when Professor Hans Peter Dürr, after having survived the 2nd world war in the Hitlerjugend, finally met a student of Heisenberg which he had longed for so long. But that student had been Edward Teller and Teller didn’t want the philosophy, but the bomb. And he wanted the bomb, because if the best (state) is also the best armed, then we would have finally world peace. And Professor Dürr was shocked, because this had been the exact same thing he had been told under the Hitler government.

    Today we have the NSA and CIA instead of the KGB and Gestapo, the Washington swamp instead of communist apparatschiks, a clique of Neocons instead of Hitler’s or Stalin’s inner circle, and the military-industrial complex is always the same everywhere anyway. While most of us have to remain mostly powerless cells in a body which has caught rabies. But that rabies isn’t the Neocons, or neo-liberalism; it’s modernity itself. Possibly radicalized by the Jewish revolutionary spirit.

    • Replies: @mikesmith
  445. Vaterland says:
    @refl

    It takes a character to say such a final ‘fuck you’ to his own people whom he let suffer for his vision, but he had an idea of what the West would turn out to be.

    Joachim Fest wrote in his Hitler biography that for Hitler, an Austrian, it was easier to sacrifice Germans. As easy as it had been for Stalin, a Georgian, to sacrifice Russians. I think it is fair to characterize Fest’s position that the Social Darwinist Hitler used the German people as a tool for his own, self-interested vision. I think there is some merit to this.

    Many people want to see things in Hitler that are not there, that goes for Stalin as well (see Israel Shamir on this very site); because the propaganda image of the man is so grotesquely wrong and ludicrous, one of absolute, demonic evil, the most evil man who ever lived, that some contrarians tend to believe he must have been the greatest man to have ever lived. Needless to say both is false.

    • Agree: kikl
  446. @Mr. Rational

    When the appropriate thread comes up, you and I will test which one of us is a moron. I can promise you it won’t be me, as you have so clearly demonstrated in this thread.

    @HorriblyDepressed is perfectly correct. Once you understand one is a fraud, it becomes easy to see the others are frauds.

    And the Jews know it, too. That’s why they were always calling people who speak truthfully about 911 “holocaust deniers”.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  447. Wally says:
    @europeasant

    – Germany’s help was actually requested by Hacha of Czechoslovakia. There was no “invasion”.
    – Austrian citizens overwhelmingly supported joining the German Reich. There was no “invasion”.
    – War mongering Poland occupied large amounts German land and was terrorizing Germans on that land. Poland had threatened Lithuania with an invasion. Poland invaded and annexed parts of Czechoslovakia.
    Why Germany ‘Invaded’ Poland, by John Wear: http://inconvenienthistory.com/11/1/6391
    Polish Atrocities against Germans before 1. September 1939: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7525
    – France declared war on Germany. France invaded Germany’s Saar region in 1939.
    – The British had already invaded Norway. Norway cooperated with Britain. Hence Norway was not neutral and were aiding & abetting the British who had declared war on Germany. The Brits were occupying Norwegian waters when German troops arrived.
    – The USSR was planning an invasion of Germany and Europe. Germany prevented that attack in 1941.
    Why Germany Attacked the Soviet Union, Hitler’s Declaration of War Against the USSR – Two Historic Documents: https://www.unz.com/article/why-germany-attacked-the-soviet-union/
    Operation Barbarossa Was A Preventive Attack: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7999
    Germany Did Not Start World War II, by Paul Craig Roberts: https://www.unz.com/proberts/germany-did-not-start-world-war-ii/
    Roosevelt [with USSR] Conspired to Start World War II in Europe: https://www.unz.com/article/roosevelt-conspired-to-start-world-war-ii-in-europe/
    The Soviet Union Conspired [with FDR] to Foment World War II and Infiltrate the U.S. Government: By John Wear https://codoh.com/library/document/6807/?lang=en

    • Replies: @mikesmith
  448. Vaterland says:
    @Cyrano

    All of “Poland” is rightful German clay. All of Bohemia is rightful German clay. All of Austria is rightful German clay. All of Switzerland is rightful German clay. All of the Netherlands and Belgium is rightful German clay. All of Elsaß-Lothringen is rightful German clay.

    Any other questions?

    • Replies: @Cyrano
  449. mikesmith says:
    @Achilles Wannabe

    Well, I raised that question in response to a commenter who was forthright that his primary identity was as a Jew, but that does not really tell me much. There is a heated controversy in Jewish circles, especially but not exclusively in Israel, about who is and is not a Jew. Israel legally uses a definition for immigration purposes that is biological and similar to the Nazi definition. The Zionist state counts you as a Jew for immigration purposes if you have one Jewish grandparent. The Nazi state counted you as a German if you had one Jewish grandparent, but were married to a German or “Aryan” (itself an ambiguous term), which would make your children only one eighth Jewish. But if you were one quarter Jewish and married back into the Jewish community, then the Nazi’s, like the Zionists, would count you as a Jew.

    The Talmudic definition is partly biological too, but different: born of a Jewish mother, but that still leaves the question of what makes a woman Jewish. Presumably, she is born of a Jewish mother too, but not necessarily: what about converts? Many Euro-descended nationalists are reluctant to accept it, but the Jews are not a pure race, and they have a long history of making converts until Christians suppressed the practice during the Middle Ages.

    Another quirk here is that most America Jews are Reform but, if nothing has changed in recent years, Israel’s rabbinical estatblishment will not recognize conversions to Reform Judaism, only to fundamentalist sects of Judaism. Many American Jews find this disturbing. And of course there is the fast growing number of Jews born to Jewish fathers and shiksa mothers. Israel will accept them as racial Jews, but the Israeli rabbis are reluctant to accept them unless they convert to a fundamentalist version of Judaism.

    [MORE]

    There is a large body of nonreligious and antireligious secular Jews whose identity seems to center around the Jewish state. However, over time, these secular Jews either fail to reproduce or their lineage becomes increasingly assimilated. Even racial/cultural Jews depend on religious Jews to provide both above replacement fertility and a sufficient surplus that the ranks of cultual/racial Judaism can be continuously replenished by defectors from the fundamentalists. Also, although enough of the offspring of mixed marriages identify as Jewish to offset the low fertility of secular or casual Jews, the salience of that identity for these mixed offspring is questionable. And then of course there are the effects of diluting the unique Ashkenazi gene pool to consider (which is also a consideration when Ashkenazim marry the much less impressive non-Ashkenazi Jews, which I have read is increasingly common in Israel).

    Some European neo-National Socialists and so-called neo-rightists see Zionism as an admirable model of contemporary nationalism, but they seem to assume that Jews have a simple, unified, racially based identity, and that is far from the truth.

    Every group has to be able to answer the question, “Who are we?” Sometimes I find it amusing to watch American “white nationalists” try to define the answer to this question. They invariably give inconsistent answers, and they often try to sweep the inconsistencies under the rug by declaring the answer, typically imposed from the top down of whatever group they are with, to be eternally settled and forbidden to discuss. And of course there are others who evade addressing the question at all, even though it will invariably raise its head when considering individuals whose origins some will invariably consider to be not quite white enough.

    And most amusing of all, if also a bit frustrating, are those white racial activists who insist on a purely racial definition of identity (sometimes even endorsing a version of white multicuturalism), but also insisting that Christianity is a hindrance to their cause and that they need a highly tribalistic religion like the Jews have, and without Christianity’s turn-the-other-cheek ethos. In their minds, it is a purely utilitarian question (the say), and any question of metaphysical truth is irrelevant. Well, why not adopt the obvious and most practical solution available, then: just convert to Judaism! Not that I ever would, but I am a believing Christian. For secular racial activsts who do not give a fig about theological truth, it is the obvious ready-made solution, and it might also gain them some powerful allies.

    Returning to heathenism is no solution because no one really believes in those gods any more, different European populations worshipped different gods in the pre-Christian era (only Scandanavians worshiped the Norse gods) and it definitely added to inter-ethnic hostility, we have a very minimal knowledge of those ancient religions and the pagan revivalists have an immense amount of religious culture to re-invent, monotheisms have a long and demonstrable competitive edge vis-a-vis polytheism which does not appear to be going away as polytheism continues to erode everywhere that it is in direct competition with monotheism, and there are compelling reasons for thinking that monotheism is superior at promoting solidarity within groups that adopt it. Judaism is the logical turn-key religious solution for utilitarian white racial activists who bemoan the compassion and benevolence of Christianity and lack any theological convictions or belief in ultimate truth.

    Are Jewish atheists, agnostics, and deists still Jews? If they are, what about Jewish Christians or Jewish Muslims? But if Judaism is a religion rather than a race (and for many Jews it is), how can unobservant or unbelieving Jews still be Jews? Do indigenous Europeans (or their diaspora) who convert to Judaism cease being Eur0peans? How can they if we are referring to a purely racial identity? For this and various other reasons that I will not go into, the “who is white” question is just as complex and divisive (and interesting) as the “who is a Jew” question.

    • Replies: @Achilles Wannabe
  450. Mike P says:
    @Carolyn Yeager

    Thanks. I, too, think that HorriblyDepressed would be better off not trying to maintain common ground with those who can’t let go of the Easter Bunny – it’s a waste of time. But to each their own.

  451. Cyrano says:
    @Vaterland

    With so much clay on your hands, next thing you know, you’ll claim that all those ancient Greek and Roman vases that keep showing up at excavation sites were made of German clay too.

    You still didn’t answer MY question: How did the German capital end up with a Slavic name?

    • Replies: @Vaterland
    , @Alfred
  452. turtle says:
    @PeterMX

    My understanding is that “Nazi” is a pejorative dreamed up by political writers in the 1920s to make fun of the NSDAP, and is a nickname for Ignatz, which was stereotyped as a name common among ignorant country bumpkins. The equivalent in English might be Gomer (as in Gomer Pyle), or Cletus (the slack-jawed yokel).

    Another bit of intellectual laziness, or intentional misdirection, is to refer to the National Socialists as “Fascists.” Sorry, folks, Fascists were a party in Italy, headed by Benito Mussolini, who came to a bad end, as did his ally Adolph Hitler. Fascist Italy was allied with National Socialist Germany, but it was certainly not the same country.

    Perhaps the people who peddle this sort of crap do not want anyone to do much thinking.
    A few pejorative buzzwords ought to hold them, eh?
    Train them to salivate on cue, and to hate the designated enemy du jour.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Cyrano
  453. mikesmith says:
    @Wally

    Winston Churchill: “We will force this war upon Hitler, if he wants it or not.” – Winston Churchill (1936 broadcast)

    “Germany becomes to powerful. We have to crush it.” – Winston Churchill (November 1936 to US-General Robert E. Wood)

    “Germanys unforgivable crime before WW2 was its attempt to loosen its economy out of the world trade system and to build up an own exchange system from which the world-finance couldnt profit anymore. …We butchered the wrong pig.” [Perhaps Churchill said “the wrong pig” because the USSR did the same thing.] – Winston Churchill, The Second World War (Book by Winston Churchill, Bern, 1960)

    “The war wasnt only about abolishing fascism, but to conquer sales markets. We could have, if we had intended so, prevented this war from breaking out without doing one shot, but we didn’t want to.” – Winston Churchill to Truman (Fultun, USA March 1946)

  454. mikesmith says:
    @Vaterland

    “And I equally don’t share the delusions so many white nationalist types have about Putin.” — One must not compare Putin with some ideal leader who is not available, but to the electable alternatives, or to his actual, real life counterparts in other countries. By comparsion, Putin is golden. Additionally, in politics, “the enemy of your enemy is your friend.”

  455. @utu

    Gas chambers must be “over-engineered” for very good reason.

    Gas can kill lots of people when it is not kept in check. In the case of Auschwitz, one of the closest buildings was the German officer’s quarters. These officers would have likely been some of the first to die if it was not “over-engineered.” If you say they added a fake chimney after Krema 1 was used as a gas chamber, the absence of a chimney would have made Krema 1 far more dangerous for the German officers.

    The next problem of a gas chamber that is not “over-engineered” would be the inability to vent any gas that remained in the chamber after the people were killed. Without a really good ventilation system, which would require a tall chimney (which you claim they didn’t have), and a powerful blower, deadly gas could remain in the chamber for days and it would be totally unsafe for anyone whose job it was to remove the bodies. So that would mean the ability to kill people on any kind of efficient mass scale would be impossible.

    The next problem of a gas chamber that is not “over-engineered” is that a room like this one would leak like a sieve. All doors need to be sealed as if they needed to be water tight like a submarine or the gas could kill anyone outside the chamber who is in the vicinity. Cracks in mortar need to be perfectly airtight. And gas can even seep through mortar itself. That is why gas chambers are made out of metal, not bricks and mortar.

    Then there is the issue of cremating the bodies. If the crematoria is not close by, you have to take these toxic bodies, some of whom, or large amounts of whom, can leak deadly quantities of gas for extended periods of time. The farther the distance the crematoria is from the gas chamber, the likelihood increases that the gas would kill someone removing bodies. The farther the crematoria is from the gas chamber, the greater the likelihood is that you would have an inefficient operation. So the crematoria needs to be close by.

    If you say the crematoria next door was later added, where was the original?

    And there is the additional problem that Zyklon B is a fire/explosion hazard. You really have to get the bodies fully detoxified before you put them in any oven to avoid explosions. How do you do that without an adequate ventilation system?

    The Germans had a lot of experience with gas as it was used extensively in WWI, and they were the world’s best submarine makers. If they really wanted to make efficient gas chambers for killing large numbers of people, they were capable of making the world’s best. The US was making them long before WWII. It is not as if a gas chamber was a highly kept trade secret.

    Your argument that these gas chambers did not require “over engineering” is bunk if they had to be efficient killing machines while providing even a modicum of safety for the Germans and the operators. Your argument also implies that the Germans were stupid engineers when they were some of the best in the world, if not the best at many things. Germans were known for their efficiency and engineering skill. The purported gas chambers are engineering jokes if they were to be used for that purpose. Totally out of character for the Germans.

    There was also the problem with Krema 1 that its mortar contained no “Prussian blue” staining which would have seeped into the walls and made obvious stains. The delousing chambers had some mild staining (Zyklon B was a typhus delousing agent) and Krema 1, if it had gas levels high enough to kill people would have had far more “Prussian blue” staining than the delousing chambers. Krema 1 had negligible amounts. So there is no evidence it was ever used at Krema 1. Basic chemistry kills any claim to the contrary.

    Fred Leuchter pointed out all these problems, as well as many more, in his report that he did as an expert in the Earnst Zundel case.

    Educate yourself. Luchter has never been debunked by anyone that had any science or engineering background. It is very easy to tell that the so called “debunkers” don’t know the first thing about engineering in general, or of gas chambers in particular. The “debunkers” are strictly propagandists.

    https://educate-yourself.org/cn/The-Leuchter-Reports-2nd-corrected-edition-2005-234pages.pdf

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @anarchyst
  456. Vaterland says:
    @Cyrano

    It seems you are highly confused. So confused in fact you cannot tell people apart from one another. It must be that Eastern European IQ showing its effects… And obviously we failed to Germanize Poland. A great misfortune! Certainly Portugal must have similar sentiments when looking at Brazil today.

    • Replies: @Cyrano
  457. @mikesmith

    Oh, that is informative. Actually I haven’t even thought about the biology of Jewishness except for KMac’s arguments about genes vs culture/history. But however the Jews work out who is Jewish, I am sure there will be enough of them to constitute Jewish Power – especially since money leverages demography

  458. Vaterland says:
    @mikesmith

    Interesting. What is so great about based Putler and his Russian Reich? The Russian (white) nationalists he has driven out of the country; the Jewish man his daughter married and whom he made a multi-billionaire; the holocaust denial laws which are anti-anti-communist “slander” laws on top of it; the entourage of Jewish oligarchs which secure his power; his KGB background; his extremely Israel friendly Philosemitism which goes back to his youth; his staunch anti-fascism and anti-racism and the deep animosity he has towards anti-Semites; the open borders to the formerly immigration restricted central Asiatic parts of Russia? Or maybe his strong belief in multi-ethnic and multi-religious Russian Federation? The FSB run Russian Orthodox Church maybe? But certainly it must be the greatest mosque in all of Europe he opened together with Erdogan and Abbas. Or maybe it is the armed antifa enclaves in based Novorossija? His close friendship with Netanyahu and their march together in the march of the immortals as based Judeo-Bolsheviks maybe.

    Such is life in Russian whiteopia!!

    You people really should read Dugin to realize what useful idiots your are being played as.

  459. refl says:
    @Cyrano

    As I see it, the lady knows and understands little about Germany. It is a very American thing.

    To put the whole story into a more serious frame:
    If you look at a map of Europe pre WWI, you see a number of functioning imperial states, with a history of centuries behind them. Each had its own number of nationalisms, that would in time tear it apart. A Slav, trying to make a career beyond the local level, would need proper command of German and once make his way to Vienna or Berlin, and he would not get beyond a certain level, but that was just the same for most native Germans or Austrians.

    Two World Wars and one communist experience later, there are any number of statelets, which strategically are powerless, who mostly do not even own their own economy, and where people can talk themselves into a rage about national politics, knowing perfectly well that it will not change a thing.
    If you want to make a career, the language is no longer German but English, you do not go to Berlin or Vienna, but to Brussels. You also will not get beyond a certain level, unless you are acquainted with the right people. In fact, you will not reach any level, unless you can claim protected minority status.
    Else you can – just as back then – hope that someone in New York or London will help you out, while you know perfectly well that they will stab you in the back again and again.

    For the time being it is not yet clear, wether we will first have another round of World War or rather the next communist experience.

    I just cannot see the progress in this whole affair.

  460. @utu

    Game on. See my post about how little you know about gas chambers. I will beat you like a drum. I promise.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    , @utu
  461. Cyrano says:
    @Vaterland

    What are you trying to say, that Germans are mostly Germanized Slavs? As for the Polish – you have a green light from me. I know that you can’t make a good Russian out of a Polack – they are just too dumb for that, but they might be good enough raw material to make average Germans out of them.

    • Replies: @Dube
  462. turtle says:
    @utu

    gas chamber from San Quentin?

    Nope. San Quentin had a 2-seater, painted green,

  463. @Genrick Yagoda

    Anti-troofer stuff below.  Click through at your own risk.

    [MORE]

    When the appropriate thread comes up, you and I will test which one of us is a moron. I can promise you it won’t be me, as you have so clearly demonstrated in this thread.

    <snort>  Yeah, right.  I give you picture evidence PROVING that your claim of collapse at free-fall speed was completely wrong, and instead of addressing it you deflect, deny and accuse.  Moron or liar, pick one.

    Once you understand one is a fraud, it becomes easy to see the others are frauds.

    As one who’s gone to visit a steel-frame bridge that was collapsed by a gasoline tanker fire (not exactly common but not national front-page news either), I know damn well that burning petroleum can take down a steel structure.  Steel doesn’t have to melt to become weak as cooked spaghetti.  I further know this because, unlike you, I have both the knowledge base of basic materials science and the intellectual independence and capacity to dig deeper if a question warrants it.  You lack one or both traits.

    And just to annoy you, here’s someone who actually went and proved that the “troofer” controlled-demolition “jet fuel can’t melt steel” narrative is BS:

    FWIW, structural steel loses 2/3 of its strength by 500°C.  Jet-engine turbine inlet temperatures can top 1300°C, so burning jet fuel most certainly can turn steel into putty.  It doesn’t need to melt, it only has to buckle and that’s all she wrote.  I once knew the math for calculating buckling strength too; if I was going to use it again I’d have to look it up, though.

    Now, my mind is open on the possibility that 9/11 was a Mossad op at its core despite the Saudi origins of most of the hijackers.  The close ties between Tel Aviv and Riyadh make that a possibility that cannot be dismissed, as did the totally backwards response of the Shrub administration.  But Occam’s razor says that if the fuel fires were capable of downing the towers by themselves (and they were), you should not be claiming weird physical causes.  All it does is destroy your credibility.

    • Agree: Saggy
  464. Wally says:
    @HorriblyDepressed

    And this is how it is:

    ‘It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.

  465. @davidgmillsatty

    Not just a drum, the whole damn kit and then some!

    • LOL: davidgmillsatty
  466. utu says:
    @davidgmillsatty

    Hi Mr. Compare and Contrast:

    https://www.unz.com/announcement/now-surpassing-the-new-republic-and-the-nation/#comment-3439873

    In fact, one thing I have been doing frequently now when people bring up holocaust denial is that I give the poster a holocaust denial test. I post two pictures — one of a real gas chamber and the other of Krema One at Auschwitz. Then I simply say compare and contrast.

    The responses are amusing. It is a hell of a teaching technique for naive observers who have no idea. You can borrow it.

    I see that “compare and contrast” is your schtick of which you seem to be even proud. It is just a gimmick. Nothing to be proud of.

    As you can see I looked up your comments to see what kind of animal I am dealing with and I was disappointed to find that I agree with some of your views and clearly you are not an idiot like Wally which means that I should consider your position on Krema I more carefully. While reading your comments I found that while you are a contrarian in sense that you are against some main stream dogmas like climate warming and have a considerable understanding of Svensmark and Kirby and you put great faith in Jones and Harrit to be against the official 9/11 story you may put too much faith, providing that you are sincere, in what is presented as a scientific study when it confirms your bias. Basically you want Svensmark to be right and Kirby to be wrong and Jones and Harrit to be right so you overlook flaws in Sevnsmark, Jones and Harritt and concentrate on deficiencies in Kirby. You insinuate that Kirby was pressured with loss of grants while you seem to have no doubts that Jones and Harrit are honest and have unblemished integrity. The same happens when you look at Laughter report. Your natural skepticism goes out of the window and you become credulous and naive and thus totally at mercy of your own a priori biases. All your smarts and education of which you are so proud become useless because the inner demon is in charge, not you.

    There are serious flaws in Leuchter work and his conclusions are unwarranted. But even w/o the flaws providing his work was technically perfect there is no amount of technical expertise that could disprove that some people sometimes were gassed in the structure that now is called Krema I. All the hand waving objections about safety, ventilation, leakage, low concentration of Prussian blue in walls can only impact the total numbers of people who have been gassed there. Since that number is really flexible because nobody really knows how many times Krema I was used and how many people there were gassed all the hand waving objections can’t accomplish anything. You can’t disprove that Krema I was used to gas people. And since there is a considerable number of witnesses who claim that Krema I was used to gas people then it is reasonable to assume that indeed Krema I was used to gas people because you can’t prove otherwise.

  467. mike6972 says:

    Debates about the Holocaust (no quotes needed) seem almost beside the point. The Jews in Germany (and in German-occupied Europe) were systematically persecuted. They were denied fundamental civil and human rights. Their assets were seized. They were forcibly removed from their homes and transported in cattle cars to concentration camps. Evidence of the mass slaughter of the Jews by the Nazis and their allies is so obvious, so blatant, so painfully real, and so fully documented that I can’t believe people are seriously debating it. Is it not incontrovertible that the citizenship rights of Jews were obliterated? And why? What did they do to deserve this? What did they do except merely exist? Their IDENTITY was their original sin and their unforgivable crime. The punishment was slave labor and death. There’s a reason SS officers wore death-head symbols. They were executioners, they were gangsters, they were murderers. They were the enemies not just of Jews but of all humanity – including other Germans. NOTHING the Nazis did to Jews and to the rest of (temporarily) conquered Europe was justifiable. They were not acting in self-defense. Their goal was world domination through violent conquest and mass murder. For their crimes, they got the ruined nation they deserved. However, no form of revenge or compensation can bring back the dead. That debt can never be paid.

  468. Wally says:
    @blake121666

    – Jews went where Jews are. Examples in my comment #171.
    But hey, it’s Jews who tell us where they think that Jews went to.
    They claim that Jews WENT to humongous mass graves which they claim to know the precise locations of. Yet those claimed remains do not exist.
    -And here you go:

    “The public still repeats, time after time, the silly story that at Wannsee the extermination of the Jews was arrived at.”
    – Yehuda Bauer, an Israeli professor of “holocaust studies”, and former Yad Vashem “holocau$t” Theme Park director

    Here’s the lowdown on the Wannsee Conference:
    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-secrets-of-military-intelligence/?showcomments#comment-3266374 – scroll down
    more:
    – The Wannsee Conference Protocol, Anatomy of a Fabrication:
    http://codoh.com/library/document/934/
    A Judge Looks at the Evidence: http://codoh.com/library/document/230/
    Wannsee Conference minutes debunked: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1647

  469. Ron Unz says:
    @turtle

    My understanding is that “Nazi” is a pejorative dreamed up by political writers in the 1920s to make fun of the NSDAP.

    I’ve often seen that claim floating around on the Internet, but I don’t think it’s correct…

    For example, after the formation of the Nazi-Zionist economic partnership of the 1930s, the flagship Nazi newspaper published a massive, 12-part series of very favorable articles about the Zionist project under the title “A Nazi Goes to Palestine,” and struck a commemorative medal using the same phraseology:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-jews-and-nazis/

    If the leading Nazi newspaper used the term “Nazi” to describe themselves, they probably didn’t consider it a slur.

    Moreover, soon after the war broke out, Lothrop Stoddard, one of America’s leading public intellectuals, was sent by a newspaper consortium, including the NYT, to do a series of articles on Germany, which he afterward published as a book. During the visit, he received a rare personal audience with Hitler, and certainly wasn’t a hostile propagandist, but he freely used the term “Nazi” throughout the text:

    https://www.unz.com/book/lothrop_stoddard__into-the-darkness/

    Whatever its original roots, I think by the late 1930s the term “Nazi” had just become a convenient shorthand for “National Socialist Germany,” much like “Yank” was a shorthand for U.S. citizen.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @turtle
  470. @utu

    QUOTE since there is a considerable number of witnesses who claim that Krema I was used to gas people then it is reasonable to assume that indeed Krema I was used to gas people because you can’t prove otherwise. END QUOTE

    Name 5 people who wrote about this contemporaneously and described the magic methodology by which such a thing happened.

    And that is not how things work. It’s already been proven that mass gassings could not have and did not happen in Kremma 1. The onus is on YOU to prove your nutty fantasies, not the reverse.

    • Replies: @utu
  471. @mike6972

    Is it not incontrovertible that the citizenship rights of Jews were obliterated? And why? What did they do to deserve this?

    They created Weimar, that’s what.

    • Replies: @refl
  472. utu says:
    @Ron Unz

    Similar sentiment is behind beliefs by some (Nazi fanboys) that the abbreviation KZ (instead of KL- Konzentrationslager) was created by anti-nazis and the enemies of Germany as if the honor of concentration camps was worth defending.

    As far as the term Nazi it was not used in the communist propaganda of Soviet block. They preferred Hitlerites, fascists and simply Germans. The term Nazi seems to be liked the most in Germany as it does not imply ethnicity or nationality. Young Germans may think that many years ago Germany was invaded by some mythical and evil Nazis from an unknown place and that Germany was the first victim of them Nazis. In this sense the Nazi is PC euphemism and thus the Nazi fanboys and proud Germans should have no reason to object to it.

    • Replies: @Vaterland
    , @German_reader
  473. utu says:
    @Genrick Yagoda

    “It’s already been proven that mass gassings could not have and did not happen in Kremma 1.” – Do you realize what you are saying? Do you understand the meaning of the words you used? Proven? No it can’t be proven.

    • Replies: @Genrick Yagoda
    , @Fox
  474. @mike6972

    How stupid do you think we are? There is a clock ticking. Can you hear it?

  475. Vaterland says:
    @mike6972

    I am not sure, if comments like these help to convince observers of your point, if they sound like a copy and paste from the usual propaganda reel. Including the cartoon villain details such as

    There’s a reason SS officers wore death-head symbols. They were executioners, they were gangsters, they were murderers. They were the enemies not just of Jews but of all humanity – including other Germans.

    The skull symbol comes from the Prussian Totenkopf-Husaren. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/2._Leib-Husaren-Regiment_%E2%80%9EK%C3%B6nigin_Viktoria_von_Preu%C3%9Fen%E2%80%9C_Nr._2

    It was used in the Kaiserreich aswell:

    And by German tank drivers, although in a different mode; which cost many of them their lives, since our glories liberators simply shot most of the SS men they capture instead of taking them as POWs. Which killed many regular tank personal as “collateral damage” so to speak.

    Today it is still continued in Chile which has a Prussian military heritage. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angol#Totenkopfhusaren

  476. @Achilles Wannabe

    It is sad. There was one who stood up for the Germans, pulled them out of the drain, taught them to stand up again. Today they stay on their knees out of fear of looking like him. And that shrinking from even speaking up for themselves has lasted for generations. And RU and others here have pointed out absolutely contrary to what our rulers have been telling us it was they, the likes of Winston somebody and that wacker who arranged Pearl Harbor, our rulers are the real bad guys and Hitler was the good guy.

    Why can’t the Germans learn to say that, shout that, be proud instead of ashamed, simply brush aside Jewish accusations? Why can’t they say it doesn’t matter what some people say about the Jews?

  477. @utu

    @ Utu– Yes, I do understand the meaning of the word proven. If something could not possibly have happened, then it didn’t. So yes, we have proven that it didn’t happen.

    Are you sure you are commenting about the right subject? You do not seem to understand all of the words that people have used to explain to you that Kremma 1 could NOT POSSIBLY have been used for mass gassings.

    More over, you failed to produce the name of even 1 person who wrote about these fantasy gassings contemporaneously, or described how they worked. You claimed ” there is a considerable number of witnesses who claim that Krema I was used to gas people”.

    So show everyone. List these names, and their description of how this fantasy process worked.

    • Replies: @utu
  478. Theodore says:
    @Blankaerd

    hunger plan

    Are you arguing that some sort of systematic policy of deliberate starvation [when sufficient food was available] actually existed? If so, provide evidence

    forced labor (in which many died as a result of malnutrition, being overworked or disease), deportations to concentration camps and the poor sanitary conditions therein (especially from 1940-42)

    I see it bascially the same as conscription. They were forced to do work to help the war effort – a war that was instigated by the British and French who refused to negotiate a peace despite Hitler’s persistent efforts. And the work was dangerous, the intent was not to result in the individual’s death, but it was expected that it would happen. A young, healthy German man would reasonably expect to be conscripted. Even children were eventually forced to take arms and fight to defend their homelands. Naturally, other groups would be used for labor to help the war effort.
    This was all avoidable, but the British + internation Zionists did not want to avoid it, they wanted war and they got it.

    activities of the Einstaztsgruppen

    Created for the purpose of fighting the massive guerilla warfare / terrorist operations in the Eastern Front. These activities played a major role in Germany’s eventual defeat.

    reprisals in which more often than not innocents died (such as in the aftermath of operation anthropoid and the putten raid, but there are far more extreme cases like in Belarusia and the Ukraine).

    That was not even illegal under international law at the time. Mark Mazower in his book “Hitler’s Empire” noted that partisan warfare and the brutality of it was a traditional method of European warfare, stating (p. 353):
    “The uncomfortable truth is that the counter-insurgency war was more the product of a certain European way of fighting than of Nazism itself.”

    International law agreed upon by the belligerents. Nazi-Germany signed the geneva convention.

    When did they sign it? The Soviets certianly did not sign the Geneva Convention, so why would the Germans have afforded them those protections if they clearly had no intention to do so themselves?

    Reprisals were not regulated by the Hague Land Warfare Convention of October 18, 1907. They received first mention in Article 2 Section 3 of the Geneva Agreement of September 27, 1929, about the treatment of prisoners of war. It prohibited reprisals specifically against prisoners of war. A general prohibition of reprisals against civilians was not issued until August 12, 1949, by the Geneva Convention Relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. This was many years after the Germans had surrendered. So, there was no convention preventing reprisals against civilians at the time.

    Sanitary conditions were absolutely atrocious in concentration camps from 1940-1942 and who else but the nazi’s to blame for that?

    Some of the prisoners had a hysterical and superstitious aversion to bathing. Additionally, you can blame the British and French for declaring war and refusing peace. I mean just ask yourself: Why didn’t that problem exist in 1937-38?
    If the British and French did not do that, would that particular issue have existed?

    You can find reports of camp commanders, guards, doctors and inspectors talking about the extraordinary filthy conditions of camps like Auschwitz, and indeed, those filthy conditions culminated in a typhus epidemic.

    And indeed you can find reports describing the many attempts to get the disease under control. If you look at the history of war before WWII you will find countless examples in which people died of disease, even in higher rates than in the actual war. I can think of many examples off the top of my head, let me know if you need some

    It was only then that Himmler ordered better conditions for the prisoners, where beforehand their health was almost completely neglected.

    Typhus broke out in Auschwitz in summer 1942, and they quickly responded in order to halt the spread. Commandant Hoess ordered a full quarantine (vollständige Lagersperre) of the camp in July 1942. Zyklon-B was brought in, SS men were prohibited from eating certain foods, various vaccinations were mandated, movement restrictions were imposed, special “louse inspection” units organized. The measures proved inadequate and in early December 1942, camp physician Dr. Wirths attended a meeting for the specific purpose which included government officials, military officers, and important civilian officials. Immediate action was demanded.

    Disease was an risk taken very seriously in the camps, period. There was no “they’re dying of disease? so what!” going on during this period; not simply because it would just result in the disease spreading also to the Germans working there, and the civilians in nearby cities and towns. Not to mention the labor camps were vital to the war effort.

    A typhoid epidemic could have easily been prevented by regular washing of clothes and showering, yet the camps often lacked basic sanitary facilities until mid 1942.

    You’re completely wrong, I can’t even understand how someone could be so naiive here. When an epidemic of disease breaks out, it’s often too late and unexpected. It’s easy in hindsight to say “well, you could have done this and it wouldn’t have happened!” but it did happen and it was unexpected and once it did happen it was taken very seriously.

    And we must also keep in mind that particular elements who made up a considerable percentage of these concentration camps were natural breeding grounds for typhus.

    After World War I in Poland, one American officer noted:
    “The school children were next bathed and deloused. Gorman observing that ‘if the older people were as enthusiastic as these children, typhus would no longer be a dread in Poland.’ Unfortunately, the older people were content to live in the unimaginable dirt and filth, one old woman having been heard to cry out, ‘death here in my hovel rather than the torture of bathing.’” (Alfred E. Cornebise, “Typhus and Doughboys”, 1982, p. 65)

    A book by Jewish historian Lucy Dawidowicz confirms:
    “In the Warsaw ghetto alone, epidemic typhus was believed to have affected between 100,000 and 150,000 persons, though the official figures were barely over 15,000. The spread of disease was concealed from the Germans. Hospital cases of typhus were recorded as ‘elevated fever’ or pneumonia. Mainly, the stricken were treated in their homes in a massive clandestine operation, covering up the presence of the disease from German inspection teams who periodically threatened to seal off the affected areas.” (Lucy S. Dawidowicz, “The War Against The Jews 1933-1945”, 1975, p. 289)

    History professor Alfred E. Cornebise stated regarding American efforts in the town of Wlodowa in the 1920s:
    “… further difficulties were in the form of considerable resistance among the population to bathe. The town’s officials also vacillated, whereupon the police had to be used to compel the people to do so. Soon the town officials devised a plan whereby those persons who had been bathed were provided with a ticket and only those who possessed one could buy bread and potatoes in the stores. However, this was rather ineffective as forged tickets soon appeared and also, as Gillespie [an American first lieutenant] contemptuously charged, ‘The Jews would get their tickets, alter the name on them and sell them to some other person.’ … Moreover, as Snidow recounted, ‘in the first preliminary council we were assured by the priest, the rabbi and mayor and later confirmed by two doctors that not a soul in the town had had a bath for over a year. This statement we considered conservative and I personally doubt if water had touched the persons of most of them since the departure of the Germans during whose occupation they were required to bathe at least once a week, when they could be caught.’ There was a good community bathhouse, but the people had ‘formed a horror of it’ from being compelled to bathe there by the Germans, and would not use it. (Cornebise, p. 66)

    General Patton in his diaries also describes a situation where he was in the presence of Jewish “Displaced Persons” who lived in indescribable filth so disgusting he vomited. He actually describes scenes like this in at least 3 separate instances. Naturally, this was not something the majority of Jews were like, but some small, impoverished minority … but that’s all it takes to create an epidemic.

    And it must be stressed that these measures of putting people in these labor camps was a direct response to the war forced upon Germany by the British and French.

    I agree, which is why I said people died directly or indirectly as a result of nazi policy.

    And it is also true to state that many of the concentration camp deaths, if not the vast majority of those deaths, died directly or indirectly as a result of British and French policy.

    Directly would be things like mass-shootings and reprisals in reaction to resistance activities. Indirectly would be placing people in a conditions that caused their deaths even though that may have not been your primary intention. That’s the hunger plan and negligence at the concentration camps for you. But again, it’s hard to gauge what the proportions were and who was innocent or not. We can safely assume that most deaths at Auschwitz occurring at 1940-42 (to maybe 43) have been indirectly the result of nazi policy because of complete negligence of prisoner health until the nazi-top realized that the jews could be used for forced labor.

    I am still waiting for proof of this “hunger plan”. And I do not accept your claim of “complete negligence of prisoner health” – the typhus epidemic, when it first was apparent at Auschwitz, was reacted to swiftly. It just wasn’t enough because so many people were in the same living quarters so close to one another and because medicine was not as effective back in the day.
    Your claim that they didn’t care that their prisoners were dying of disease until they thought “Hey, wait, we could use them for labor!” is completely absurd. Please substantiate this

    Later camp deaths can be attributed to Allied bombings and the subsequent collapse of nazi infrastructure.

    Why not just blame the Germans for not defeating the allies then?
    The fact of the matter is, the typhus epidemic at Auschwitz almost certainly wouldn’t have happened if Britain and France did not force Germany into a war. Can’t we agree on that part?

    It indeed is. I’d say that from Nazi-Germany’s perspective the hunger plan was entirely justified given that winning the war to them was more imperative than feeding Soviet civilians and POW’s.

    The Soviets had a scorched earth policy and would destroy farms and other important resources when anticipating Germans would enter an area. I am not quite sure exactly why the German military was supposed to be responsible for feeding civilians though. As for POWs, well, you mentioned the Geneva convention — but the USSR did not sign it.

    I think that, if Germany had a surplus of food they would have properly fed the civilians and the POW’s, but they didn’t so the army and German civilians had priority… Still, starvation was a known side-effect of the hunger plan, and so Germans do bare responsibility for said policy, even if the context would justify it at the time

    So if you have only enough food for 1000 people, but there’s 5000 hungry people, there’s nothing that can be done about it. I wouldn’t call that “killed as a result of German policy” at all. I would call that “death via starvation during war”. Sure, they are responsible for choosing who could eat but the decision would have been the same for anyone else. Unless there was enough food and they took deliberate action to ensure taht there wasn’t, I don’t think you can put the responsibility on them.

    There are things you certainly can, there were war crimes committed by all sides, but “people went hungry because there wasn’t enough food” isn’t a war crime. It’s simply unfortunate.

    • Thanks: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Blankaerd
    , @anarchyst
  479. Sam J. says:
    @Mr. Rational

    “…Sorry, but you lose. This destroys the privacy of the ballot and is a certain route to coercion of voters. Try again…”

    You have no imagination at all or you really don’t want verified voting.
    .
    1st they already use screens to vote in voting machines.
    2nd you could lay the screens flat so only you could see it. We have computer screens set up like this in public libraries for privacy.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  480. utu says:
    @Genrick Yagoda

    ” If something could not possibly have happened, then it didn’t. “ – Good logic. But circular. You have to prove that something could not possibly have happened first. But the proof of it is impossible. So neither you nor anybody else has proven it and never will.

    • Replies: @Genrick Yagoda
    , @Wally
  481. Ron Unz says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I was wondering what your thoughts are on the Corona Virus.

    I ask because I just saw a very disturbing article on that topic that was posted on Zero Hedge.

    I’ll admit I don’t know anything about the Corona Virus. But my impression is that ZeroHedge is just some sort of right-wing conspiracy-website, and things they publish shouldn’t be taken very seriously unless solidly confirmed by some more reputable source. That’s especially true for a lurid claim suggesting that the virus is a product of Chinese “biowarfare.”

    I think I saw somewhere that the Daily Stormer ridiculed ZeroHedge for that particular article. Frankly, although the Daily Stormer certainly indulges in “over the top” rhetoric, I’d guess it’s a far more reliable source on many things than ZeroHedge.

    Anyway, the virus will (unfortunately) still be around for quite a while, and presumably we’ll soon hear much more solid analyses of its DNA structure and possible origins, so there’s no need to rush to speculative conclusions.

    • Replies: @L.K
    , @Beefcake the Mighty
  482. annamaria says:
    @mike6972

    “so fully documented…”

    — By whom? By Ilya Ehrenburg? https://zionistnarrative.wordpress.com/2018/01/01/ilya-ehrenburg-zionists-chief-propagandist/
    Or by Elie Wiesel? http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/wiesel.shtml

    The loud adherents to holobiz profiteering schema are good at reminding people about Israel’s ongoing atrocities against Palestinians and about Jewish Bolsheviks’ mass slaughter of Russians. https://www.timesofisrael.com/moscow-museum-gives-the-full-picture-of-jewish-role-in-1917-russian-revolution/

    Although officially Jews have never made up more than 5% of the country’s total population, they played a highly disproportionate and probably decisive role in the infant Bolshevik regime…

    Samples:
    Rozalia Zalkind, the Crimea’s mass murderess: https://historycollection.co/historys-deadliest-woman-and-other-lesser-known-killers/4/
    Lazar Kaganovich, the right hand of Stalin and principal organizer of Holodomor (“terror-famine”) in Ukraine: http://khpg.org/en/index.php?id=1265217823

    He [Kaganovich] also personally oversaw grain confiscations during the same time periods. Similar policies also inflicted enormous suffering on the Soviet Central Asian republic of Kazakhstan, the Kuban region, Crimea, the lower Volga region, and other parts of the Soviet Union. As an emissary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party, Kaganovich traveled to Ukraine, the central regions of the USSR, the Northern Caucasus, and Siberia demanding the acceleration of collectivization and repressions against the Kulaks.

    https://www.deathofcommunism.com/lazar-kaganovich/
    They were executioners, they were gangsters, they were murderers. They were the enemies of all humanity.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  483. annamaria says:
    @mike6972

    More in response to your sanctimonious post proclaiming “That debt can never be paid:” https://www.revisionisthistory.org/communist.html
    “Perpetrators of the holocaust against Christian Russia transform themselves into “survivors” of “the Holocaust:”

    The earlier portrait on the right is of the youthful Gray as a decorated officer in the Soviet NKVD (the forerunner of the KGB), responsible for the murder of millions of Christians and gentiles in Russia and Eastern Europe. Even Establishment researchers have had to admit that Gray’s book [about Treblinka’s “gas chamber] is phony… But Gray’s scam is symbolic of countless other Communist ghouls who have managed to land on their feet in the West, disguised as poor, persecuted “Survivors of the Holocaust” and feted as the saints and martyrs of the universe. Meanwhile, the holocaust they perpetrated against millions of Christians slips further down the dark environs of Orwell’s memory hole.

    More about the debt:

    The Siberian novelist Valentin Rasputin wrote in 1990: “I think today the Jews here in Russia should feel responsible for the sin of having carried out the revolution and for the shape it took. They should feel responsible for the terror–for the terror that existed during the revolution and especially after the revolution…their guilt is great. They perpetrated the relentless campaign against the peasant class whose land was brutally expropriated by the state and who themselves were ruthlessly murdered.” …

    According to the internationally-syndicated RNS wire service, “Some 200,000 (Christian) clergy, many crucified, scalped and otherwise tortured, were killed during the approximately 60 years of communist rule in the former Soviet Union ….40,000 churches (were) destroyed in the period from 1922 to 1980…”

    Here is the most genocidal political movement in world history, which created the largest concentration camps and the most horrendous slave labor system of the 20th century, in which millions of gentiles and Christians were slaughtered.

  484. Sam J. says:
    @HorriblyDepressed

    “…“The Forced War” by David Hoggan…Poland started the war between Germany and Poland. The British pushed, prodded and encouraged Poland…”

    I understand all this and have read a great deal of the same material. I don’t disagree with what you said…except, they didn’t run Hitler’s army. Only Hitler could have given the orders to invade. He was ultimately responsible.

    What I said about the British not allowing any one European power to dominate Europe was a policy set in stone and he should have known that. It had been Englands policy for a long, long, long time and shouldn’t have been a surprise to anyone.

    I also somewhat agree and fully understand your points on democracy but once again we’re not looking for perfection here. You’re missing the point and the long term potential. We’re looking for a more workable, verified, not so easy to cheat voting system. Far different from debating the merits or demerits of Democracy itself.

    I submit that a real verified voting system can make a BIG difference. Certainly in California several Congressmen would be Republicans instead of Democrats with verified voting as I suggested. They stole several seats. They lost and then just kept counting absentee ballots until they won.

    You can’t tell the future and you can’t tell what impact a few extra honest people in the legislature will do. I suspect with a good number of honest people in the legislature that refuse to compromise the truth it could have a large effect. There would be no sweeping things under the rug with these guys in office. A simple direct example is the House and Senate were about to pass “immigration reform”, meaning they were going to make illegal aliens legal and Sen. Jeff Sessions brought the whole thing to a stop. He made it such an issue and slowed everything down until the people raised enough hell that they tabled the whole idea. This is a HUGE difference made that was down to one Man refusing to compromise.

    With verified honest voting, people who want to run could have a massive advantage in the primary run offs in the States against the global homo machine. They could get out a huge mass of people who are royally pissed about the situation in our country. If you read the polls it’s a MAJORITY. It would make sure these peoples votes would be be counted. Hardly anyone votes in the primaries. I personally threw out my State Representative in the primaries because he was such a liberal ass. Even with voter fraud he lost by several hundred votes. I was one of those who had been gerrymandered into his district and I and few others booted his ass to the curb. If you look at the numbers I bet primary votes have the force multiplier of times ten and maybe much higher. It would greatly temper Representatives following the party line on issues that piss off their voters like immigration. This would totally change the character of elections.

    There would still be voter fraud no doubt but doing nothing because of it not being perfect is not a rational solution to our problems.

  485. L.K says:

    A little background info on the Russian-Jewish oligarch Viatcheslav Moshe Kantor, the individual behind the recent World holocaust forum in Israel… the one Putin attended and did his best to milk the holohoax cow in favor of Russia… not hard to understand, everybody in a position to gain does it, so why not Putin’s Russia, the main heir to the Soviet Union, which under Stalin was the key party manufacturing the atrocity propaganda now known as the holocaust.
    The oligarch behind today’s World Holocaust Forum attended by presidents and kings
    by ALISON WEIR, JANUARY 23, 2020
    https://israelpalestinenews.org/the-oligarch-behind-todays-world-holocaust-forum-attended-by-presidents-and-kings/

    At least 45 world leaders have responded to a summons to attend the World Holocaust Forum in Israel to “fight antisemitism.” The event is organized by a Russian-Israeli oligarch who considers support for Palestinian human rights “antisemitic.” He is promoting an Orwellian program that would criminalize “intolerance” and require re-education programs for anyone who strays beyond accepted views…

    The opulent two-day event is entitled “Remembering the Holocaust: Fighting Antisemitism.” The presidents and kings have gathered in response to a summons to commemorate The Holocaust …

    The event is the brain child of Viatcheslav Moshe Kantor, a Russian-Israeli oligarch known for “unscrupulous business dealings” who made his money during the massive plunder of Russian resources that left many ordinary Russian citizens in misery. Kantor is the president of the European Jewish Congress and multiple other international entities. This is his fifth Holocaust Forum. …

    A major component of the alleged “antisemitism” that Kantor is fighting is opposition to Israel’s human rights abuses and apartheid-like system of discrimination.

    Kantor is a Russian-Israeli billionaire dedicated to Israel. He has stated that the creation of the State of Israel is the “biggest achievement” of Diaspora Jewry, and believes that all Jews must work to “strengthen our beloved state.” …

    Like other Russian oligarchs, Kantor made his fortune in the first years of Russia’s “new capitalism”– sometimes called “gangster capitalism” – when, under the guise of “privatization,” Russia’s economy was massively looted, causing ruin to many Russian citizens who saw their life savings vanish, sometimes in a matter of weeks. Kantor’s father, a former Red Army soldier, reportedly served prison time for “speculation and embezzlement of state property in a large scale, taking bribes and forgery.” Kantor was among the many individuals in the Russian Jewish community who flourished; many – perhaps most – of the Russian oligarchs have ties to Israel.

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  486. Sam J. says:
    @Saggy

    “…And then there was a children’s zoo ….”

    It’s obvious the Germans were going to corral the children in the zoo and use it as a hunting preserve for their anti-gravity driven laser kill machines for sport.

    • LOL: PeterMX
  487. L.K says:
    @Ron Unz

    Then ZeroHedge must be totally worthless, since the Daily Stormer is quite ridiculous to say the least.

    I once caught sight of an “article” by the guy who runs it, Andrew Anglin(?), saying he was so happy about ISIS because it would destroy Israel!! LOL
    Completely clueless.

  488. Vaterland says:
    @utu

    The term Nazi seems to be liked the most in Germany as it does not imply ethnicity or nationality. Young Germans may think that many years ago Germany was invaded by some mythical and evil Nazis from an unknown place and that Germany was the first victim of them Nazis.

    Oh, don’t worry. The regime we have to currently live under would never even dream of letting go of collective guilt. “Yes, all Germans! Including the babies in Dresden.” Which isn’t hyperbole. Anti-German antifa types do believe and say such things. My impression is, that Nazi today is preferred, because it sounds dehumanizing. An abstract object. A robot. Nothing human. Similar to the torture and gore porn portrayals in US propaganda entertainment like Wolfenstein. or maybe Inglorious Basterds. And we also aren’t Austria which did pretend to be the first victim of NS, even though they had been overwhelmingly in favor of Anschluss and around 50% of the high ranking Nazi leadership were Austrians, including Hitler himself of course. As the joke goes: “The most famous German ist Adolf Hitler, he is from Austria. The most famous Austrian is Sissy, she is from Germany.” But then again Hitler and most Austrians did consider themselves German and the distinction is a post-war construct.

    The political objective remains the same as well: to keep us down, Russia out and the Yanks in. And as long as bombers take off from and land in Rammstein, as long as NATO exists, as long as the US empire exists, so too will the Eternal Nazi. Racism is bad though, m’kay?

    [MORE]

    I think, it is generally a good thing that revisionism is debated in a matter of fact based and critical rational approach. But the reason why, right now, people are in prison for…illegal opinions is not the historical truth. How could that even be anyway? But very hard real-political interests and the almost unchallenged power of the Jewish lobby. And on the other hand, because the current political system and class depends on it as the foundation myth of this colonial vassal state construct and their function in it. Much like Egon Krenz, Erich Mielke and Erich Honecker functioned in the GDR. Bloody Angela Merkel has come of age there anyway; as youth secretary for agitation and propaganda. Indeed this state and state of affairs is so unnatural, so artificial, so absurd: an anti-German German state, that without the propaganda narratives of the victors of the world war, the American cultural colonization and the concrete occupation, we’d have a revolution by tomorrow morning.

    If a German people still exists that is. If there is an essence.

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  489. Theodore says:
    @blake121666

    But there were found at Majdanek the clothes of about 2 million Jews at its liberation. Hence the reason why it was estimated that many Jews were killed there. In particular, there were HUGE stockpiles of old shoes at Majdanek from about 2 million Jews.

    So what? They recycled clothes and shoes for the purpose of fixing them. Majdanek barracks #62 was a shoemaker’s shop. You think they didn’t know that? They were just lying, deliberately.

    The AR camps were small and didn’t have room for anymore than some few thousands at a time (if that). Their clothes were sent to Majdanek;

    Please show that the clothes at Majdanek were worn by the AR camp Jews at the time they arrived at these AR camps.

    so where did the Germans send these naked Jews from these AR camps?

    How about you show us one “huge mass grave” from Treblinka 2, Belzec or Sobibor with the burnt/unburnt remains of a mere 0.1% of the alleged victims attributed to the camp. Should be easy, and anyone who claims the existence of “proven mass graves” that cannot do this is simply lying.

    And their belongings ended up at Majdanek.

    According to the 5 January 1944 Globocnik Report to Himmler (4024-PS) on Operation Reinhardt, the purpose of AR was to seize the wealth of the Jews and then resettle them elsewhere. Obviously Jews were not able to take all of their posessions with them, so furniture, jewelry, currency, other valuables, and – yes – even clothing would have been collected and sorted to be used by the Germans.

    Where is the evidence that the clothes at Majdanek were exactly the clothes that Jews were wearing at the precise moment they arrived at the AR camps?

    From the document:
    Textiles, garments, underclothing, bed feathers and rags were collected and sorted according to their quality. The sorted articles had to be searched for hidden valuables and finally disinfected. More than 1,900 wagons were then placed at the disposal of the authorities named by the Reich Ministry of Economy by order of the SS Economic and Administrative Head Office. Out of these stocks not only foreign workers were clothed but a large portion was used for re-manufacture. No case of sickness became known, although these garments frequently came from persons suffering from spotted typhus. The disinfection therefore was adequate.
    The best garments were separated and by order of the Reichsfuehrer SS were used for supplying persons of the German race. Shoes were also sorted according to how far they could be used and then either given to persons of German race or to concentration camps for supplying inmates, or else taken to pieces and used for wooden shoes for supplying inmates.

    Read more:
    Aktion Reinhardt, Globocnik Report, Himmler Reply
    https://codoh.com/library/document/894/

    No one has a clue where the vast bulk of those Jews ended up if they were not slaughtered

    Why are you wasting time here? You clearly have some telepathic ability that crosses both space and time. You can not only read every living person’s mind, but also read the minds of people alive 7 decades ago. Are you some kind of superhero?

    And there are no records or even logic to justify any claim that millions of unfit for work Jews were settled somewhere else.

    Yes, the old missing outbound records. Well we know that there were at least a few small transports of Jews from Treblinka to Majdanek. How do we know? Because of the records from Majdanek that state they came from Treblinka. However, at one point there existed both records from Treblinka that said “train going to Majdanek” and then the record from Majdnaek that said “train from Treblinka”. But only the “train from Treblinka” records at Majdanek survived. So it’s an indisputable fact that records of Jews leaving Treblinka are gone/destroyed/hidden/lost… and it is further claimed by numerous pro-H sources that all of the Belzec train records were in one single building destroyed by a Soviet bomb on July 4 1944. So it’s likely the Treblinka outbound train records also were all in one place, and the Sobibor outbound records all in one place also. And the Soviets were in control of all of them to selectively choose what was be shown.

    The claim is, the AR program was top secret (true) and that the Germans dismantled and destroyed the camps (also true). It is also claimed that they decided half-way through to dig up the rotting corpses and start burning them in giant outdoor pyres to “hide the evidence.” Further, it is additionally claimed that the documents about these camps which refer to them in the context of deportation/resettlement are using “code words” to describe extermination; because if we are to assume these documents are correct, then the AR camps were not extermination camps at all.

    So, your position is that the Germans had a conspiracy to hide the evidence of mass murder of 1.5 million Jews at Treblinka 2 + Belzec + Sobibor and they went at great lengths to do this. OK, then we are to believe that they were just too stupid to do the obvious thing and find some guy, give him a typewriter, and have him spend a day or two typing up a bunch of fake outbound records of resettled Jews? Quite unreasonable to me.
    The Soviets had all the documents and could do whatever they wanted with them.

    Confusion at the time about engine types, pit sizes, etc is no answer to what happened to those Jews. Those confusions have the possibility of being cleared up.

    The only people who claim to know where they went is the exterminationists, and they claim that they all went into “huge mass graves” that are supposedly in precisely known locations.

    Somehow they can’t show us one single pit from either T2+B+S with just 0.1% of the alleged victims. Why can’t they do this? It’s literally illegal to say these camps weren’t “Extermination camps” in some countries so, there’s a bit of a moral imperative to provide this very basic level of verifiable evidence.

  490. turtle says:
    @Ron Unz

    Thanks for the link to the Stoddard book.
    Fascinating stuff.

  491. @Nonny Mouse

    An excellent question. What is Germany today? Is it a virtual occupied country? Are American troops still there? I know a German can go to jail for questioning the WW2 fairy tale. Anywhere Jews rule, they are ruthless – Soviet Union, Israel. Jews ruled Germany during the formal occupation. Nuremberg trials swarmed with Jews To get a license for a newspaper or TV show you had to pass muster by some Jew in New York city. The german kids got a brainwash that made our own post war semophile indoctrination look antisemetic. The original plan was to simply almost literally destroy Germany. Jews were advocating that in 1940.

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  492. Vaterland says:
    @Nonny Mouse

    I probably shouldn’t comment so much and it is mostly wasted here anyway, but since you are asking Germans…

    In the 50s it was still very much possible to reject collective guilt, including the one accused by Jews and their leaders. As did Konrad Adenauer, according to conservative historian Professor Karl-Hein Wei0mann, when Ben Gurion during an official meeting had told Adenauer in a speech, I think it might have even been in the Knesset, that ” the Germans are guilty and will be forever guilty, no matter what they do.” Adenauer had reacted furiously and replied that simply because a leadership acts criminal, you could not declare an entire people criminal. He then had threatened to make the speech public and scandalize it in the world press. Very different times.

    Our current condition is mostly a result of the cultural revolution since the 60s which paralleled the rise of the holocaust industry and the unparalleled control of a certain group over American society and thus, by proxy, the entire west.

    However, the last “good guy”, if at all, was to me Kaiser Wilhelm and in the grand scheme of things president Woodrow Wilson was probably one of the most devastatingly harmful politicians of all time. Amerika war und ist unser Unglück.

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  493. L.K says:

    Many people are mistakenly mislead by the huge output of official holocaust historiography and literature, as an indicator that the event must be solidly documented. This is not the case at all.

    One of the best and most respected holocaust historians is the now deceased Jewish Prof. Raul Hilberg. What did Hilberg state regarding the quality of this huge output of holocaust literature?
    In his book about Hilberg’s body of work, revisionist historian J. Graf, writes:

    A fair judgment of Hilberg’s work was unwittingly made by himself. In a letter to Dr. Robert H. Countess, the responsible publisher of this book, Prof. Raul Hilberg wrote:[220]

    “Superficiality is the major disease in the field of Holocaust studies.”

    When asked whether he once stated that there is no quality control in holocaust studies, he confirmed this in 2000:[221]
    “That is correct, especially at several U.S. elite universities.”

    And the University of Vermont, Hilberg’s Alma Mater, is definitely one of them.

    [220] Personal correspondence with R. H . Countess, June 21, 1988.
    [221] Eva Schweitzer, “Rücksicht auf die Verbündeten,” Berliner Zeitung, Sept. 4, 2000.

  494. @utu

    You are demonstrating once again that we have proven our case.

    You claimed “since there is a considerable number of witnesses who claim that Krema I was used to gas people then it is reasonable to assume that indeed Krema I was used to gas people because you can’t prove otherwise “.

    Yet after being asked repeatedly to provide the name of just 5 of these witnesses who wrote or spoke about this contemporaneously, and their description of the operation of these magical “gas chambers” you are unable to do so.

    So therefore this is over. No one is required to indulge you in your lunatic fantasies.

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    , @GeeBee
  495. @blake121666

    there were HUGE stockpiles of old shoes at Majdanek from about 2 million Jews

    How do you tell Jew shoes from non-Jew shoes?

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  496. Vojkan says:
    @HorriblyDepressed

    Care to explain why Germany also invaded Denmark, the Netherlands, Yugoslavia, Greece? Care to explain German atrocities against civilians, non-Jewish ones, in occupied countries?
    Your explanation of the invasion of Norway is pure baloney. Norway was officially neutral and the British didn’t have the resources at the time to mount an invasion. If they had, their effort to liberate it would have been a little stronger and would have lasted a little longer than two months from April to June 1940.
    As for Czechoslovakia, even if it were a mess, it was a sovereign country and Germany certainly didn’t have a God given right to sort it out, not more than the USA had the right to invade Iraq in 2003.
    Both revisionists and holohoaxers make me sick with their distortions of historical facts to suit their extremist agendas.

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  497. Dube says:

    It’s too late at night for me to work up a properly informative comment, but the stories in Tadeusz Borowski’s This Way to the Gas, Ladies and Gentlemen and some of his poetry may be some indication, if not proof. He did serve in camp while a prisoner, and his suicide later by gas in his kitchen might be his strongest testimony.

  498. @utu

    Young Germans may think that many years ago Germany was invaded by some mythical and evil Nazis from an unknown place and that Germany was the first victim of them Nazis.

    That’s a strawman (one pushed both by German leftists and anti-Germans in other countries, especially in Poland), the mainstream sentiment nowadays is more one of collective guilt and utter alienation from Germans of the 1933-1945 era (e.g. I remember a scene from a German talk show some years ago when a Turkish-born “comedian” suggested one should only mourn the victims of the Nazis, whereas German WW2 dead shouldn’t be mourned or commemorated at all – no one objected). Of course there’s a slight disconnect when it comes to one’s own relatives, but mainstream media is working on that as well, e.g. by pushing the work of sociologist Harald Welzer (“Opa war kein Nazi” – “granddad wasn’t a Nazi”) who claims many Germans have a totally sanitized view of the behaviour of their own relatives during the Nazi era. This may or not be true (Welzer’s arguments seem weak to me, but it’s probably true that many Germans have only a limited knowledge about their own relatives during the Nazi era; I’ve tried to research some things about my own Nazi relatives, but so far it has only confirmed what I already knew, so I’m not sure what to make of it, there will probably never be certainty about some issues), but the underlying message clearly is: Assume the worst about your own family history, your relatives may well have been liars who tried to hide their own guilt.
    Anyway, imo you’re wrong about use of the term “Nazi” and its implications, and I don’t see what alternative there is for its use. Of course one could use a generic “Germans” in some cases (e.g. “the Germans destroyed Warsaw”), but in many cases there’s clearly a need to refer specifically to the National Socialist movement and its organs.

    • Replies: @utu
  499. Dube says:
    @Cyrano

    I know that you can’t make a good Russian out of a Polack – they are just too dumb for that, but they might be good enough raw material to make average Germans out of them.

    And you stand behind every bed you sell. We are assured, Cyrano.

  500. Leo says:
    @annamaria

    unlike you, i read works of Solzhenitsyn in original Russian.

    if you wish to quote Solzhenitsyn, you need to quote Solzhenitsyn – not 3rd-party sources that attribute some words to Solzhenitsyn.

    the quote you posted doesn’t belong to Solzhenitsyn – these are words David Duke attributes to Solzhenitsyn. there’s no proof whatsoever that Solzhenitsyn ever said this.

    once again, if you wish to quote Solzhenitsyn you need to quote Solzhenitsyn himself.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  501. PeterMX says:
    @mike6972

    You are an example of people I cited earlier whose IQ’s are lowered by attending history class. The whole narrative you cite has been largely exposed as a long series of endless lies, too long to list here (but I’ll list a few), including the tales of Jews being made into soap and lampshades (both discredited as lies) which I was instructed on by a Jewish English class teacher.

    That same German army that wore death head symbols also wore the saying “Gott mit Unz” (God is with us) on their belt buckle and received a cross (from the Christian cross), called the Iron Cross when they did an exceptionally heroic act. The Knight’s Cross, the highest honor a German could receive during WW II was also from the Christian Cross. Christian crosses were on German tanks and airplanes too. And who was their biggest enemy? The Judeo-Bolshevik Soviet Union, a country Jews carried out a coup against and formed it’s first government, with Jews making up 80 to 85% of the governments members. That same regime outlawed Chritianity, outlawed anti-Semitism (anything negative said about Jews), burned down many churches and raped the country’s Christian nuns and murderd its priests. It alao murdered tens of millions of Russians and Ukrainians. Jews did that.

    Russian Presiident Putin- 80 to 85% of the Soviet Union’s government was run by Jews

    Germany and many other countries were extremely alarmed by the mass murder of tens of millions being carried out in the USSR and having that huge threat right up against them and they vowed to fight it with all their strength. But in the US they covered up the atrocities in the USSR and denied them (the Jewish owned New York Times did this). Great Britain and the USA sided with the atheistic Jewish run country of mass murderers against the only major Christian nation that opposed the Soviet monstrosity in defense of itself and Europe.

    “What did they do to deserve this? What did they do except merely exist?” Great Britain started WW II under Jewish pressure. Numerous people have said this. In this video (see time
    29:00 – 38:30) historian David Irving reveals how Jews paid off Winston Churchill in 1936 so that he would target and argue for a war against Germany. The Head of the Board of Deputies [of British Jews] Sir Bernard Waley Cohen, Eugen Spier and Sir Henry Strakosch paid off the financially struggling Winston Churchill to “buy him” so he would make war on Germany.

    David Irving presents his book Churchill´s War

    None of this was done in isolation. From the moment Hitler was elected chancellor in 1933, Jews across the globe, especially those with influence, worked to make war on Germany and destroy it. An International Boycott of German goods was immediately announced by world Jewry and a big rally attended by leading politicians was organized by Jews in New York with Jewish New York mayor Fiorello LaGuardia speaking and Rabbi Stephen Wise announcing that Hitler would be killed. In 1938 Chaim Weizmann, called the leader of World Zionism and subsequently the first President of Israel, publicly announced that all the world’s Jews would fight against Germany (take note of the word “all”) and in 1940 a Jew named Theodore Kaufman wrote a book called “Germany must Perish!” in which he revealed a detailed plan on how to sterilize Germany’s entire population, with thousands of doctors working around the clock in hospitals. This book was highly pulicized and even praised in the US by leading publications like Time Magazine. Josef Goebbels informed the German public of the plan with a scathing article in one of Germany’s leading publications. An analyst in the SS wrote in his diary “this will be a war until death”. If you think the hatred mustered against Trump is unprecedented, you’re wrong. It was nothing compared to what Jews did to start WW II. Even the Polish ambassador to the US wrote lengthy letters to Warsaw in 1938 and 39 of how the Jews run all the media in the US and are driving the US to attack Germany.

    “Germany Must Perish!”
    http://ihr.org/books/kaufman/perish.shtml

    Christmas 1942 in Germany, as the battle of Stalingrad was raging, the country that has done more than any other to create the classic Christmas celebration.

    In the US and across the USSR, suspect ethnic minorities were quarantined. The Germans had more justificaton than anyone else for arresting suspect Jews in 1940 and treating Jews as enemies of the state. Jews that served in the German army and others considerd patriots were treated like other Germans and exsmpt from anti-Jewish laws.

    This was written for low IQ nincompoops.

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  502. Sam J. says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    [Too much off-topic 9/11 stuff]

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  503. Blankaerd says:
    @Theodore

    Are you arguing that some sort of systematic policy of deliberate starvation [when sufficient food was available] actually existed? If so, provide evidence

    It was a policy of food re-prioritization, they would take food away from Soviet civilians, with the full realization that many of them would perish, and the German military was to be given priority. You can find plenty of references in this thread, look for posts made by Roberto. https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=20050

    I see it bascially the same as conscription. They were forced to do work to help the war effort – a war that was instigated by the British and French who refused to negotiate a peace despite Hitler’s persistent efforts.

    There is no excuse for the poor sanitary conditions at the concentration camps at the early years of the war. I’ll have to remind you that the majority of people who perished in 1940-42 were not jews, they were roman catholics. In those years, the Third Reich absolutely had the capacity to prevent a typhoid epidemic, yet their negligence is what lead to many deaths at the camps.

    Created for the purpose of fighting the massive guerilla warfare / terrorist operations in the Eastern Front. These activities played a major role in Germany’s eventual defeat.

    Right, but since the partisans often simply wore civilian clothes – or sometimes captured German uniforms – it was a very difficult task determining who was the terrorist/partisan and who was not. That sometimes resulted in the massacring of entire villages, because the Germans had a war to win and couldn’t spend the time and resources to conduct extensive investigations to find the culprit(s).

    The Soviets, equally, did the same thing. When they encountered a village and they suspected that they aided the German war effort in any way, they would simply butcher the entire village – or sometimes destroy entire villages as part of a scorched earth policy.

    That was not even illegal under international law at the time.

    My point was not what was illegal and what wasn’t, my point was that many innocents perished directly or indirectly as a result of nazi-policies. If reprisals were indeed legal at the time, then that doesn’t mean that the nazi’s didn’t kill innocents, legal or not.

    When did they sign it? The Soviets certianly did not sign the Geneva Convention, so why would the Germans have afforded them those protections if they clearly had no intention to do so themselves?

    That doesn’t matter, the convention applied to all signatories even when their enemies had not signed it.

    If the British and French did not do that, would that particular issue have existed?

    Now that’s some mental gymnastics right there. By that logic nazi-Germany never murdered, killed, starved anyone. Britain and France declared war yes, but it’s not like declaring war on a country was some anomaly in history. Nobody forced Germany to put Roman Catholics, jews and many other people into concentration camps.

    And I do not accept your claim of “complete negligence of prisoner health” – the typhus epidemic, when it first was apparent at Auschwitz, was reacted to swiftly.

    It wasn’t like Typhus was a new thing in 1942. Germany – being one of the most industrialized and advanced nations on earth at the time, knew all about typhus and how to prevent it. Throughout history, typhus has been problematic mostly for armies because soldiers are often on the move and combat makes it difficult to maintain a strict hygienic regime.

    This however, is very different to the concentration camps. The camps were at a fixed locations with a set number of personnel. To prevent a typhus epidemic under those circumstances was comparatively easy. A typhus epidemic broke out among Germans troops in 1942 as well, but it’s much more understandable and much more difficult to prevent than in a fixed location such as Auschwitz, that was well-connected by railroad and had no trouble getting supplies from the homefront. (that is, until allied bombings caused a collapse of infrastructure)

    In addition, I’d like to remind you that the initial conception of the camps was punitive in nature. Indeed from 1940 to january 1942 we find mostly political dissidents and some undesirables at the camps. After the Wansee conference and large numbers of jews would be transported to the camps, Germany realized that these prisoners could be used for the war effort as slaves. It was then, alongside the outbreak of typhus, that the Germans started investing more into sanitary conditions at the camps.

    And indeed you can find reports describing the many attempts to get the disease under control.

    True, but long before that you can already find reports about atrocious health and sanitary conditions at the camps, something that should have alarmed the higher-ups long before the epidemic even broke out. The prisoners were their responsibility no matter how you twist it.

    As for the quotes you posted, I don’t see how the Warsaw Ghetto and some American town in the 1920s have anything to do with what we are discussing here. Again, many Roman Catholics perished in the camps due to typhus. Was it because of some aversion to washing, or because the camps lacked basic sanitary facilities and a strict hygenic regime? You choose.

    the typhus epidemic at Auschwitz almost certainly wouldn’t have happened if Britain and France did not force Germany into a war. Can’t we agree on that part?

    Yes, we can. Nazi-Germany may have been able to get the jews outside of Germany alongside the lines of the Ha’avara agreement.

    So if you have only enough food for 1000 people, but there’s 5000 hungry people, there’s nothing that can be done about it. I wouldn’t call that “killed as a result of German policy” at all. I would call that “death via starvation during war”. Sure, they are responsible for choosing who could eat but the decision would have been the same for anyone else. Unless there was enough food and they took deliberate action to ensure taht there wasn’t, I don’t think you can put the responsibility on them.

    There are things you certainly can, there were war crimes committed by all sides, but “people went hungry because there wasn’t enough food” isn’t a war crime.

    That’s where we disagree, because the Germans did forcibly take the food away from people who otherwise may have survived, so yes they do bare responsibility even though within the context of war it was understandable why they did it (from a German perspective that is)

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    , @Theodore
  504. refl says:
    @Mr. Rational

    @mike6972

    Is it not incontrovertible that the citizenship rights of Jews were obliterated? And why? What did they do to deserve this?

    They created Weimar, that’s what.

    Don’t forget that the Zionists wanted skilled German Jews and their wealth for Palestine. They had got their ‘homeland’ post WWI, but noone wanted to settle there. So European Jews needed something to convince them. At best a collective disaster would flush them out.

    The other thing is that the Balfour declaration had the serious flaw of treating the Jews as victors, though by no stretch could they claim to have been a waring party. So it had to be assured that next time round their would be Jewish victims in some considerable number – if not, at least a compelling story had to be found to make them up.

    For the Zionists, the Nazis were a gift from heaven. If they hadn’t existed the Zionists would have needed to invent them.